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Saying “small dick energy” is inherently a negative thing because it’s an insult. It also implies that there’s something bad about less endowed people because Tate is being compared to that demographic.
When I say society, I mean that a decent percentage of people have “____ dick energy” built into their vocabulary to the point where the meaning of these terms is widely agreed on and it loses it’s direct connection to the penis. This doesn’t mean that the term is appropriate to use though since it originated from actual body shaming.
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"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult.",
">\n\nIt's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh.",
">\n\nHonestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV",
">\n\nPeople can make mistakes and this was one of them.. so we can all just criticize her reply fairly and move on. No need for acute mental gymnastics to defend her as this comments section is showing lmao.",
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">\n\nI don't think anyone is arguing it's not offensive. I'm pretty sure she was trying to offend insecure men. Apparently with great success.",
">\n\nShe was trying to offend men who were insecure about their body image?\nHow is that not body shaming?",
">\n\nIt is, but we playing the avoidance and rationalization game",
">\n\nbecause women invented \"small dick energy\"\nharsh, sad. but we go jim🗿",
">\n\nOP never mentioned women tho. Post is strictly about why it's offensive. Do you disagree that it's not offensive or you think it's a trivial matter to make fun of that men's mental health doesn't matter as much?",
">\n\nThe female equivalent is\n\"Loose Pussy Energy\".\nThe typical man-hate hypocrisy commonly going around is beyond obvious. And it is an attack on All men and boys not just some.",
">\n\nNot a disagreement per se, but also worth noting that it’s transphobic. Which is to say, it insults all men by reinforcing patriarchy and punching down to two groups of men.",
">\n\nShe said small dick energy. Not that he had a small dick (though, come on). She used that phrase BECAUSE it's Tate. She's not a moron.\nHe is, as evidenced by his life to this point and his two responses to Thunberg, which were epically pathetic, is a moron and didn't seem to get it, though he doesn't get a lot.",
">\n\nThis is worse than saying he has a small dick, because how would she know, and that would just be dismissed as stupid.\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\nI can't understand the mental gymnastics some people are doing to try and say this isn't body shaming.",
">\n\n\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\n\nI mean yeah -- kind of like how pussy is an insult denoting cowardice, cunt is an insult meaning basically, terrible, etc., \nShe used that on purpose. Are you making CMV every time you see someone calling someone else a pussy?",
">\n\nPussy is kind of already known to be a shitty gendered insult so it doesn't need a CMV. In this case, Greta's gendered \"having a small penis is bad\" tweet is massively amplified, reached r/all on a shitload of subs, etc. so some discussion about whether or not that is cool is warranted",
">\n\nSmall dick energy isn’t about having a small dick tho. It’s a reflection of an attitude that men who are offensive, aggressive, nasty to people are overcompensating for their insecurities. A small dick doesn’t mean you won’t be able to find a partner or that you’re any less of a man. Being a downright trash bag of a human to others, like in this instance where an internet edgelord is cyber bullying a teenager on the internet who is fighting for the survival of our planet/humanity is an example of this trash behavior, is more of a determining factor. \nYou can also have a small dick but have big dick energy, as it’s reflective of who you are as a person. It’s an attitude. It’s who you choose to be to yourself and others. Hell, there’s women who use the term that they have big dick energy and I can tell you those women’s dicks are none existent so therefore size isn’t a thing. \nNo one should be made fun of for something they had no control over. The worth of a man is not tied to the size of his penis. Although, toxic masculinity and shallow people will tell you different. They say the same for disabled people, fat people etc. There’s plenty of people who are not “conventional standards of beauty” which is the majority of us, that lead happy, healthy relationships. Those relationships start with yourself and understanding your worth as a person isn’t tied to what you look like or how big your junk is. \nThe point is if you choose to be a trash person like Tate, where your self worth is tied into how cruel/offensive you can be to other people, don’t be mad if people call you out for that trashy attitude. Your post definitely reeks of “men are the true victims” when clearly you didn’t seem to have a problem with a grown man cyber bullying a teenager.",
">\n\nI like how you imply that OP is a fan of a literal human trafficker because they point out that a body-shaming insult is body-shaming. Do you understand why associating a trait of someone's body with negative personality traits is bad?",
">\n\nNo because people like this always have exceptions that allow them to use the things they complain about. Cognitive gymnastics allows them to recognise shaming women and people of colour is bad, because society will eat them otherwise, but when someone shows up who deserves a bit of a roasting all of their social etiquette rules go out the window and the excuses come out as to why in this context it doesn't count.\n\"Ahh no, here it is a reflection of an attitude\" blah blah 3 paragraphs later and we've clouded over the simple fact that body shaming is body shaming and harms people you weren't intending to insult.",
">\n\nPeople like this? You’re assuming things about me because I am a character in your mind not a real person. I am not a monolith. We should not be body shaming people. I am explaining the other side of this issue and why people use these terms. You never asked if I use these same terms in my life. You assumed I do. I don’t. You didn’t even bother to read my response because if you did you would have realized this.",
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">\n\nYou can have smol pp but big pp energy and vice versa",
">\n\nSo why is the phrase small dick energy if it has nothing to do with having a small dick?",
">\n\nIdk man, I just work here.",
">\n\nYou know why. Lol cause small dick is associated with bad. And by insulting dicks you use this knowledge to offend, at the cost of body shaming people. \nStop feigning dumb just to avoid the reasoning lol",
">\n\nI can see how it would be offensive, and I wouldn’t use it myself. I feel like the phrase refers more to how someone acts as opposed to how they are endowed. And how it’s behavior and actions that make people think down of you not your penis.",
">\n\nPoint is that we, as a society, should encourage better insults that attack the comments of the person without necessarily having to equate it to something someone with a small dick.",
">\n\nWould you agree with me, that if Andrew clapped back with one of those that the internet would be up in arms about it?",
">\n\nYou mean the way that you are, here, on the internet, up in arms?",
">\n\nIm one person on reddit, theres no major backlash like there would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\nSee, what's happening here is that you are also looking at people who are \"one person on Reddit\" and pretending it's a major backlash. Andrew Tate says fucked up things about women all the time (in fact, it's kind of his whole schtick) and it's as much of a non-event as this is.",
">\n\nPlease link me to something fucked up hes said about women, and ill agree with you, two wrongs don't make a right.",
">\n\nHere's exhibit A.",
">\n\nSure I agree with you he has said fucked up stuff about women, it doesn't mean its okay to make a joke about small dick energy.\nDo you understand my point?",
">\n\nWe understand, it's just that your point is fucking stupid",
">\n\nYou have no idea what his point is, it's funny that people on this thread OP and others actually like Andrew Tate.\nIt proves that everyone is completely frothingly tribalistic with zero nuance.",
">\n\nIf someone is behaving insufferably, people are going to laugh at them for things that they wouldn’t find funny if it happened to someone they liked.\nFor example, is it funny when people go bankrupt? No. Would it be funny if someone like Andrew Tate went bankrupt after boasting about Bugattis and all of his mass wealth? Yes. This doesn’t mean people who would make fun of him for that are making fun of poverty or all people who lose their livelihoods, it would just be funny if it happened to that particular person. \nIn the same way, the idea that Tate does all the douchey, over the top macho things that he does in order to compensate for having a small penis is funny, whilst it not being funny to make fun of every person who has a small penis.",
">\n\nSubstitute fat. Is that ok?",
">\n\nDepends on what the fat person is doing. If the person is minding their own business then no, if the fat person is attacking other people’s appearances then yeah go for it.",
">\n\nInteresting take. Might want to play with that a bit. A lot of situations where your reasoning falls apart.",
">\n\nPeople insulted Trump for being fat when he tried to say he was like the most fit person ever. People make fun of Elon Musk's body. You can make the same type of insult to two different people and it come off two different ways. \nWhen you make your identity or argument around something it opens up certain insults and comebacks. \nTate's whole thing is trying to act like this \"alpha male\" when in reality he's a sex trafficking weirdo who pays women to hang out with him. It's totally fine to insult him with a childish insult. \nI also find that people worried or mad about this don't actually care about body image issues. They just want a gotcha moment for people. Because many would have shitty takes about fat people or whine about pc culture.",
">\n\nWhen you call some MF that doesn't necessarily mean you are a MF... I'm not saying it's okay to say abusing words but we still do use them.\nI don't think she said it in literal terms, it was completely literary. Also she only said it cause it was Tate who she said it to. Also if a woman has small tits and someone said to someone else that they have small tits energy, I don't think one who actually has small tits would mind it, cause she is not involved and it's kinda perfect way of irritating Tate.. cause he really cares about these things. \nWhen it comes to increasing the insecurity of someone who actually has small D and is insecure about it... She couldn't think so far cause all she wanted was to irritate Tate and she was successful",
">\n\nI don't think it even irritated him if that was her goal but definitely helped him with popularity. It just proves what he says people think of insecure men, it just moves them to him and he gains more influence. It was an ignorant reply in poor taste. Someone with much following and influence as Greta shouldn't be as irresponsible and the followers shouldn't be having to do mental gymnastics to defend her instead of seeing it as it is: body shaming against men.",
">\n\nIs this some kind of weird meta-game? Are Andrew Tate fans pretending to actually be offended by this stupid insult to prove a point? Does anybody actually think her retort was any sharper than a brick wrapped in a wet blanket?\nWhat is going on here?!",
">\n\n\nWhat is going on here?!\n\nAndrew Tate fans have a lot of small dick energy. That's whats going on.",
">\n\nWhy are people not allowed dislike tate (he's an absolute idiot and a grifter) and also to criticize obvious body shaming from a supposed progressive? If Biden started talking about \"N*gger energy\" criticizing Kanye for antisemitism, would that be ok in your eyes? Would you say that a black guy who doesn't like that must be an angry Kanye fan? Or is it disgustingly offensive towards all African Americans to use that type of language no matter what?",
">\n\nBecause it suits their narrative to frame it as if people are just defending tate. It's easier than just actually defending body shaming. Done deal.",
">\n\nI think Greta used that phrase not because she actually believes or wants to promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior, but because people like Andrew Tate believe and promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior. If Andrew Tate gets hurt because Greta says he has small dick energy, then maybe -- just maybe, with the tiniest bit of introspection -- he'll come to realize how hateful some of his language is.\nBullies like Andrew Tate don't really respond to logic or pleas for sympathy. The only way to maybe make them understand the hurt they cause is to inflict it on them, because they don't care about anyone but themselves. \nSo instead of putting the cart before the horse and blaming Greta for using an offensive phrase as an argumentative tactic, maybe blame the people who use the phrase to actually demean people.",
">\n\nCan we substitute fat instead and be justified?",
">\n\nYes people did that with Trump when he claimed to be the fittest person ever basically. If someone has a habit of insulting people a certain way or making certain claims then they open themselves up to specific insults. \nSometimes we'd find those insults not tasteful if said to other people. But I feel like most people equating this to fat insults don't actually care about fat people. A lot of people would also be like oh things are getting too pc or soft or woke when it comes to body positivity towards fat people. So for me it's hard to buy this line of reasoning as being truly valid or caring.",
">\n\nNo one said it has to be authentic caring. This sub is for exploring the intellectual arguments. Your perception of how authentic someone’s feelings towards fat people is basically irrelevant. Argue the point or don’t. Passing your authenticity test is a wierd standard to try to argue for.",
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">\n\nYes, making insults is offensive. That's the point.\nInsults that reference a body part are also offensive to people who are insecure about that body part. That's also kinda obvious.\nWhat do you want your mind changed about here? I'm unclear about what you think can be discussed about an insult meant to be insulting. Are you arguing that this insult is especially wrong in some way?\nHow is this not just you soapboxing?",
">\n\nThere's a reason as a society we don't use insults like \"retard\". This is in the same vein. You're attributing a negative thing with a man having a small penis. This is harmful as it perpetuates the stigma surrounding penis size which is outside ones control. Essentially it degrades a group of people who have nothing to do with it. OP wants to know whether or not this is reconciled. Reading the comments... It has not been. \nMaking gendered insults doesn't bother me truthfully but I can understand the frustration OP is expressing because were it to be a man making some edgy reference to a woman's lady parts being inadequate as a way to demean them then everyone would be outraged as opposed to cheering it on.",
">\n\nUsing “small dick” as an insult, or “loose pussy” isn’t really offensive unless you are insecure about the physical viability of your reproductive organs. \nBut, that doesn’t make it funny. It’s a really juvenile and uncreative way of ridiculing someone.",
">\n\nInsecure women are offended when they're fat shamed.\nIt's still body shaming.\nIt's still wrong.",
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">\n\nGuy randomly decides to flex on her by saying I HAVE CARS AND I LIKE TO GO VROOOOM. It's like when Piers decides that it's absolutely important to eat meat in front of vegans. It's not about penis size. It's just that smalldickenergy is a perfect explanation of why would someone decide to behave like this.",
">\n\nShe is 19. Maybe in a few years she will have more mature insults. It’s a lot of pressure to be put on someone so young to also say the perfect thing all the time",
">\n\nUnder nearly all circumstances, I agree with you.\nHowever, for a lot of people who have built a cult of personality around any given ideal, insults of the inoffensive type are completely commonplace. All they have to do is fend off one or two instances of this PG rated attacks, strawman them, call them snowflakes, and their following is bolstered and enhanced. Instead of having any negative effect, it becomes part of their inherent power.\nSometimes if you want to rattle a cult leader you have to hit with precision their most critical weakness and watch them implode. The fact that Tate is squirming so hard and doing everything he can to reclaim some of his dignity after Greta's clapback means that she has his number. Great isn't saying that having a small dick is bad, but knowing that Tate's entire personality is built about being an alpha male and that calling into question the size of his member will hurt him the most is what she was after. \nOf course, it wasn't classy and could be offensive to some. But as the saying goes, sometimes you have to fight fire with fire.",
">\n\nReally is he squirming? \nHe's rich he's popular and now he's gotten someone he disagrees with to repeat his ideology and platform spreading it to a wider audience. \nI'd argue he's happy for the attention and popularity that she's given to him now and enjoying the increased sales in his business as more men who feel marginalized and left out join him seeing this hypocrisy playing out. Not to mention all the political players( internationally) who were against climate action seeing all this and aligning themselves appropriately, possibly propping him up and making him something more than what he actually is- An ignorant troll. \nEngage with a troll and you only give them more power. The tweet was dumb and people should know better.\nEdit: spacing",
">\n\nI'm not commenting on whether or not his fans will like him more or if the controversy will inadvertently grant him a wider audience. \nI'm commenting that Greta knew exactly where and how to hit him the hardest. Yes, he is definitely squirming. He has scrambled out half a dozen prepubescent \"I know you are but what am I\" tweets. Then he went and made the absolute cringiest response video. He's incensed by being talked down to by Greta and is overcompensating. \nDid her tweet have any net positive effect on society? No. Did it ruffle Tate's feathers and make his blood boil? Yea. Would he have even cared if she called him a misogynistic prick? Absolutely not. He would have just told her to sit down and shut up, that misogyny is made up by inferior women blah blah blah...\nInstead, his insecurities are eating him alive.",
">\n\nWhy even respond and give him attention that he so desperately craves? And why body shame men in the process? \nIf she didn't have a better insult she could have just went on with her life instead of helping him grow. Using \"small dick energy\" as an insult means implicitly we agree that people with small penises are inferior and undesirable. That's basically what Tate is on about ( Toxic masculinity). And by laughing at her tweet we all reinforce that perception. Do you get that? \nSick of double standards and hypocrisy. At least people should have the courage to own up and acknowledge it then move on instead of doubling down and performing mental gymnastics to justify an obvious case of body shaming.\nI agree with you on one thing that the net effect on society because of this tweet exchange is negative and only serves the people who Greta and her followers hate.",
">\n\nI think you are missing what I am saying. I fully agree that it wasn't necessary nor was it the right thing for Greta to do. I also agree that it just gives him attention and was overall a useless venture other for the entertainment of Tate haters.\nOP asked why it is okay. I stated that it isn't okay but that I understand why Greta took that road rather than the suggested non-offensive approach. It is because he's immune to it. What he isn't immune to is his masculinity and ego being questioned. What is the point of the Wolf continuing to blow on the brick house? None. To get to the scared little piggies inside he needs a jackhammer. \nAnd it worked exactly how she planned it to. He was rattled and anyone who hates Tate is amused. \nNot saying it's the right thing to do, nor do I want anyone to feel ashamed of the size of their penis.",
">\n\nOk.. thanks for elaborating on that. I misunderstood your comment as a disagreement and engaged to try and change your mind but seems we share the same view.",
">\n\nYou do not know what Greta is \"fully aware\" of. She is referring to character and behaviour, why are you taking this personally? She isn't speaking to you, hasn't seen you, doesn't know you. I don't know why you are externalizing your issue like this and waving it around in public, is it our responsibility to fix this for you?\nShe was just making a tiny joke. Relax. smalldickenergy @ getalife .com is hilarious.",
">\n\nAside from everything else, it's men who started the 'big dick energy' idiocy so to then complain when someone uses their own stupidity against them...",
">\n\nYeah because men are a monolith and we all meet in a room and know each other smh.",
">\n\nThey’re saying it’s offensive to more than just Andrew Tate",
">\n\nYeah but again, ISN'T THE PURPOSE",
">\n\nWhat do you mean again? You didn’t say that before. And why does the purpose matter? You can do a bad thing without meaning to.",
">\n\nI meant to say isn't that the purpose lol mb",
">\n\nOh lol I probably should have realized that. But I think the point of the insult was to offend Andrew Tate.",
">\n\nFair. Trying to not say anything about him one way or another so I don't get downvoted to hell.",
">\n\nGreta lost that argument. She literally has like a hundred things Tate has said and done she could attack. Easy target... The one thing she chose to do is to body shame the man. It's just name calling. It's not a refutation of Tate. If anything it makes her sound stupid for her inability to come up with a refutation.",
">\n\nExactly. But people are just cheering her on and laughing along without grasping the nuance of the situation.",
">\n\nI think you are kinda missing the point. People know it offensive. The issue is that they don't care.",
">\n\nPeople used to make fun of small tits all the time. Remember the 90s? Remember the itty bitty titty committee? I don't know if that's a thing any more, but skinny women with no butts are definitely not seen as attractive. It's not fair. It's not their fault. People need to stop shaming themselves and eachother, and accept all bodies. Until then, \"small dick energy\" won't cease to be an insult. I guess the difference is people are sort of \"punching up\" since it's always been people with dicks who have the power in this world. I've never heard a dude say that another dude has \"small dick energy.\" It's always a woman saying that. Either way I think it's dumb but I get it. I've always thought \"Karen\" was a dumb insult too. Not someone's fault they were named Karen, LOL.",
">\n\nAndrew insulted her. He was asking for this insult. She was totally in the right. She wasn’t trying to shame anyone else. You’re asking for this insult too.",
">\n\nIsn't it more offensive for small pp folk, that there is a guy who base his entire existence on top of an argument that being an alpha, prime male is the most important thing in the world, and you need to be a testosterone bomb gorilla to have any kind of value. Isn't that argument disregards small dick guys in the first place?",
">\n\nAnd Greta just reinforced it with her reply. Do you see the problem now?\nEdit:replaced \"comment\" with \"reply\"",
">\n\nI believe I've already made a statement about what the problem is.",
">\n\nThen do you understand why Greta's reply is offensive and playing into Andrew Tate's hands?",
">\n\nLol this is twitter. There is no playing into each other's hands. Get outside.",
">\n\nOh look. Greta is human. Someone who spent a lot of her growing up time trying to educate people.\nIf she was in a bar and some doofus made a pass, she's just asserting herself. Age and context. Good on her.",
">\n\nIt is actually been studied. Men with small penises actually do have less energy- testosterone or something.",
">\n\nBeing offended by anything is each person's individual choice. If something is offensive to you, then simply choose to not be offended by it. It's truly that simple.",
">\n\nSo there is no such thing as hate speech?",
">\n\nNo, I didn't say that. Someone can certainly say something to someone that they hate with words that they feel will harm them mentally. That is \"hate speech\". The point I was trying to make is that we all as individuals have the choice to react to whatever someone says in whatever way we choose to react. If I feel offended by something that someone is saying, it is my choice to be offended by it.",
">\n\nI pretty much agree, but now we come to who decides. Does the person doing the talking decide whether it is hate speech? Or the person being talked at?",
">\n\nThere is no decision. The person who is talking thinks that what they are saying is not hateful, or they do. The person being talked at thinks that what the other person is saying is hateful, or they don't. The point is that it only matters if you make it matter to you. For example, if I say you are the dumbest person on earth, am I committing the crime of hate speech? Are you the dumbest person on earth? Probably not. But maybe I believe that you are. Does that make it true? If so, then it's not hate speech it's the truth...to me. If you, personally, believe that you are not the dumbest person on earth, then why would you concern yourself with what my dumbass has to say? To you, I'm the dumbest person on earth. I hope I'm getting my point across here.",
">\n\nSo we agree then? No laws regarding hate speech at all. You just ignore it and move on.",
">\n\nYes, sir.",
">\n\nYup",
">\n\nWhat if I say that I am offended that you are offended that you say \"small dick energy\" is offensive to men that are insecure about their size? Say I'm a man with a huge, massive dong. Say it's been a huge issue for me all my life. Let's say, hypothetically, that I am hugely insecure about the massive size of my dong and it's given me problems all my life. Every time I, hypothetically, go for a jog it's constantly flopping all over the place chaffing up my leg. Every time I have sex it's always this huge issue and only like half of the thing can go in before the receiver is like \"oh my god, stop, that's too much!\" Every time I receive oral sex, anything more than an inch beyond the tip causes a gag reflex. Does that sound exciting to you? Here you are bragging about your completely normal sized penis and all your normal sized penis sex and here this hypothetical person with a huge massive dong has all these issues. I can see how a hypothetical person with this debilitating issue would take offense that you take offense.",
">\n\nShe's an edgelord",
">\n\nreddit",
">\n\nSounds like a skill issue",
">\n\nDo you really get that offended? It's not like males themselves haven't sexualized females and their bodies and have said even worse and more common things about them? But we get offended over sum small? pun intended",
">\n\n“Some males have sexualized females therefore it’s fine for society to make fun of penis size.”",
">\n\nSociety? I don't see everyone (which represents society) doing it 😂 maybe you are focusing too much on negativity and that's all you see"
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"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult.",
">\n\nIt's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh.",
">\n\nHonestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV",
">\n\nPeople can make mistakes and this was one of them.. so we can all just criticize her reply fairly and move on. No need for acute mental gymnastics to defend her as this comments section is showing lmao.",
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">\n\nI don't think anyone is arguing it's not offensive. I'm pretty sure she was trying to offend insecure men. Apparently with great success.",
">\n\nShe was trying to offend men who were insecure about their body image?\nHow is that not body shaming?",
">\n\nIt is, but we playing the avoidance and rationalization game",
">\n\nbecause women invented \"small dick energy\"\nharsh, sad. but we go jim🗿",
">\n\nOP never mentioned women tho. Post is strictly about why it's offensive. Do you disagree that it's not offensive or you think it's a trivial matter to make fun of that men's mental health doesn't matter as much?",
">\n\nThe female equivalent is\n\"Loose Pussy Energy\".\nThe typical man-hate hypocrisy commonly going around is beyond obvious. And it is an attack on All men and boys not just some.",
">\n\nNot a disagreement per se, but also worth noting that it’s transphobic. Which is to say, it insults all men by reinforcing patriarchy and punching down to two groups of men.",
">\n\nShe said small dick energy. Not that he had a small dick (though, come on). She used that phrase BECAUSE it's Tate. She's not a moron.\nHe is, as evidenced by his life to this point and his two responses to Thunberg, which were epically pathetic, is a moron and didn't seem to get it, though he doesn't get a lot.",
">\n\nThis is worse than saying he has a small dick, because how would she know, and that would just be dismissed as stupid.\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\nI can't understand the mental gymnastics some people are doing to try and say this isn't body shaming.",
">\n\n\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\n\nI mean yeah -- kind of like how pussy is an insult denoting cowardice, cunt is an insult meaning basically, terrible, etc., \nShe used that on purpose. Are you making CMV every time you see someone calling someone else a pussy?",
">\n\nPussy is kind of already known to be a shitty gendered insult so it doesn't need a CMV. In this case, Greta's gendered \"having a small penis is bad\" tweet is massively amplified, reached r/all on a shitload of subs, etc. so some discussion about whether or not that is cool is warranted",
">\n\nSmall dick energy isn’t about having a small dick tho. It’s a reflection of an attitude that men who are offensive, aggressive, nasty to people are overcompensating for their insecurities. A small dick doesn’t mean you won’t be able to find a partner or that you’re any less of a man. Being a downright trash bag of a human to others, like in this instance where an internet edgelord is cyber bullying a teenager on the internet who is fighting for the survival of our planet/humanity is an example of this trash behavior, is more of a determining factor. \nYou can also have a small dick but have big dick energy, as it’s reflective of who you are as a person. It’s an attitude. It’s who you choose to be to yourself and others. Hell, there’s women who use the term that they have big dick energy and I can tell you those women’s dicks are none existent so therefore size isn’t a thing. \nNo one should be made fun of for something they had no control over. The worth of a man is not tied to the size of his penis. Although, toxic masculinity and shallow people will tell you different. They say the same for disabled people, fat people etc. There’s plenty of people who are not “conventional standards of beauty” which is the majority of us, that lead happy, healthy relationships. Those relationships start with yourself and understanding your worth as a person isn’t tied to what you look like or how big your junk is. \nThe point is if you choose to be a trash person like Tate, where your self worth is tied into how cruel/offensive you can be to other people, don’t be mad if people call you out for that trashy attitude. Your post definitely reeks of “men are the true victims” when clearly you didn’t seem to have a problem with a grown man cyber bullying a teenager.",
">\n\nI like how you imply that OP is a fan of a literal human trafficker because they point out that a body-shaming insult is body-shaming. Do you understand why associating a trait of someone's body with negative personality traits is bad?",
">\n\nNo because people like this always have exceptions that allow them to use the things they complain about. Cognitive gymnastics allows them to recognise shaming women and people of colour is bad, because society will eat them otherwise, but when someone shows up who deserves a bit of a roasting all of their social etiquette rules go out the window and the excuses come out as to why in this context it doesn't count.\n\"Ahh no, here it is a reflection of an attitude\" blah blah 3 paragraphs later and we've clouded over the simple fact that body shaming is body shaming and harms people you weren't intending to insult.",
">\n\nPeople like this? You’re assuming things about me because I am a character in your mind not a real person. I am not a monolith. We should not be body shaming people. I am explaining the other side of this issue and why people use these terms. You never asked if I use these same terms in my life. You assumed I do. I don’t. You didn’t even bother to read my response because if you did you would have realized this.",
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">\n\nYou can have smol pp but big pp energy and vice versa",
">\n\nSo why is the phrase small dick energy if it has nothing to do with having a small dick?",
">\n\nIdk man, I just work here.",
">\n\nYou know why. Lol cause small dick is associated with bad. And by insulting dicks you use this knowledge to offend, at the cost of body shaming people. \nStop feigning dumb just to avoid the reasoning lol",
">\n\nI can see how it would be offensive, and I wouldn’t use it myself. I feel like the phrase refers more to how someone acts as opposed to how they are endowed. And how it’s behavior and actions that make people think down of you not your penis.",
">\n\nPoint is that we, as a society, should encourage better insults that attack the comments of the person without necessarily having to equate it to something someone with a small dick.",
">\n\nWould you agree with me, that if Andrew clapped back with one of those that the internet would be up in arms about it?",
">\n\nYou mean the way that you are, here, on the internet, up in arms?",
">\n\nIm one person on reddit, theres no major backlash like there would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\nSee, what's happening here is that you are also looking at people who are \"one person on Reddit\" and pretending it's a major backlash. Andrew Tate says fucked up things about women all the time (in fact, it's kind of his whole schtick) and it's as much of a non-event as this is.",
">\n\nPlease link me to something fucked up hes said about women, and ill agree with you, two wrongs don't make a right.",
">\n\nHere's exhibit A.",
">\n\nSure I agree with you he has said fucked up stuff about women, it doesn't mean its okay to make a joke about small dick energy.\nDo you understand my point?",
">\n\nWe understand, it's just that your point is fucking stupid",
">\n\nYou have no idea what his point is, it's funny that people on this thread OP and others actually like Andrew Tate.\nIt proves that everyone is completely frothingly tribalistic with zero nuance.",
">\n\nIf someone is behaving insufferably, people are going to laugh at them for things that they wouldn’t find funny if it happened to someone they liked.\nFor example, is it funny when people go bankrupt? No. Would it be funny if someone like Andrew Tate went bankrupt after boasting about Bugattis and all of his mass wealth? Yes. This doesn’t mean people who would make fun of him for that are making fun of poverty or all people who lose their livelihoods, it would just be funny if it happened to that particular person. \nIn the same way, the idea that Tate does all the douchey, over the top macho things that he does in order to compensate for having a small penis is funny, whilst it not being funny to make fun of every person who has a small penis.",
">\n\nSubstitute fat. Is that ok?",
">\n\nDepends on what the fat person is doing. If the person is minding their own business then no, if the fat person is attacking other people’s appearances then yeah go for it.",
">\n\nInteresting take. Might want to play with that a bit. A lot of situations where your reasoning falls apart.",
">\n\nPeople insulted Trump for being fat when he tried to say he was like the most fit person ever. People make fun of Elon Musk's body. You can make the same type of insult to two different people and it come off two different ways. \nWhen you make your identity or argument around something it opens up certain insults and comebacks. \nTate's whole thing is trying to act like this \"alpha male\" when in reality he's a sex trafficking weirdo who pays women to hang out with him. It's totally fine to insult him with a childish insult. \nI also find that people worried or mad about this don't actually care about body image issues. They just want a gotcha moment for people. Because many would have shitty takes about fat people or whine about pc culture.",
">\n\nWhen you call some MF that doesn't necessarily mean you are a MF... I'm not saying it's okay to say abusing words but we still do use them.\nI don't think she said it in literal terms, it was completely literary. Also she only said it cause it was Tate who she said it to. Also if a woman has small tits and someone said to someone else that they have small tits energy, I don't think one who actually has small tits would mind it, cause she is not involved and it's kinda perfect way of irritating Tate.. cause he really cares about these things. \nWhen it comes to increasing the insecurity of someone who actually has small D and is insecure about it... She couldn't think so far cause all she wanted was to irritate Tate and she was successful",
">\n\nI don't think it even irritated him if that was her goal but definitely helped him with popularity. It just proves what he says people think of insecure men, it just moves them to him and he gains more influence. It was an ignorant reply in poor taste. Someone with much following and influence as Greta shouldn't be as irresponsible and the followers shouldn't be having to do mental gymnastics to defend her instead of seeing it as it is: body shaming against men.",
">\n\nIs this some kind of weird meta-game? Are Andrew Tate fans pretending to actually be offended by this stupid insult to prove a point? Does anybody actually think her retort was any sharper than a brick wrapped in a wet blanket?\nWhat is going on here?!",
">\n\n\nWhat is going on here?!\n\nAndrew Tate fans have a lot of small dick energy. That's whats going on.",
">\n\nWhy are people not allowed dislike tate (he's an absolute idiot and a grifter) and also to criticize obvious body shaming from a supposed progressive? If Biden started talking about \"N*gger energy\" criticizing Kanye for antisemitism, would that be ok in your eyes? Would you say that a black guy who doesn't like that must be an angry Kanye fan? Or is it disgustingly offensive towards all African Americans to use that type of language no matter what?",
">\n\nBecause it suits their narrative to frame it as if people are just defending tate. It's easier than just actually defending body shaming. Done deal.",
">\n\nI think Greta used that phrase not because she actually believes or wants to promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior, but because people like Andrew Tate believe and promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior. If Andrew Tate gets hurt because Greta says he has small dick energy, then maybe -- just maybe, with the tiniest bit of introspection -- he'll come to realize how hateful some of his language is.\nBullies like Andrew Tate don't really respond to logic or pleas for sympathy. The only way to maybe make them understand the hurt they cause is to inflict it on them, because they don't care about anyone but themselves. \nSo instead of putting the cart before the horse and blaming Greta for using an offensive phrase as an argumentative tactic, maybe blame the people who use the phrase to actually demean people.",
">\n\nCan we substitute fat instead and be justified?",
">\n\nYes people did that with Trump when he claimed to be the fittest person ever basically. If someone has a habit of insulting people a certain way or making certain claims then they open themselves up to specific insults. \nSometimes we'd find those insults not tasteful if said to other people. But I feel like most people equating this to fat insults don't actually care about fat people. A lot of people would also be like oh things are getting too pc or soft or woke when it comes to body positivity towards fat people. So for me it's hard to buy this line of reasoning as being truly valid or caring.",
">\n\nNo one said it has to be authentic caring. This sub is for exploring the intellectual arguments. Your perception of how authentic someone’s feelings towards fat people is basically irrelevant. Argue the point or don’t. Passing your authenticity test is a wierd standard to try to argue for.",
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">\n\nYes, making insults is offensive. That's the point.\nInsults that reference a body part are also offensive to people who are insecure about that body part. That's also kinda obvious.\nWhat do you want your mind changed about here? I'm unclear about what you think can be discussed about an insult meant to be insulting. Are you arguing that this insult is especially wrong in some way?\nHow is this not just you soapboxing?",
">\n\nThere's a reason as a society we don't use insults like \"retard\". This is in the same vein. You're attributing a negative thing with a man having a small penis. This is harmful as it perpetuates the stigma surrounding penis size which is outside ones control. Essentially it degrades a group of people who have nothing to do with it. OP wants to know whether or not this is reconciled. Reading the comments... It has not been. \nMaking gendered insults doesn't bother me truthfully but I can understand the frustration OP is expressing because were it to be a man making some edgy reference to a woman's lady parts being inadequate as a way to demean them then everyone would be outraged as opposed to cheering it on.",
">\n\nUsing “small dick” as an insult, or “loose pussy” isn’t really offensive unless you are insecure about the physical viability of your reproductive organs. \nBut, that doesn’t make it funny. It’s a really juvenile and uncreative way of ridiculing someone.",
">\n\nInsecure women are offended when they're fat shamed.\nIt's still body shaming.\nIt's still wrong.",
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">\n\nGuy randomly decides to flex on her by saying I HAVE CARS AND I LIKE TO GO VROOOOM. It's like when Piers decides that it's absolutely important to eat meat in front of vegans. It's not about penis size. It's just that smalldickenergy is a perfect explanation of why would someone decide to behave like this.",
">\n\nShe is 19. Maybe in a few years she will have more mature insults. It’s a lot of pressure to be put on someone so young to also say the perfect thing all the time",
">\n\nUnder nearly all circumstances, I agree with you.\nHowever, for a lot of people who have built a cult of personality around any given ideal, insults of the inoffensive type are completely commonplace. All they have to do is fend off one or two instances of this PG rated attacks, strawman them, call them snowflakes, and their following is bolstered and enhanced. Instead of having any negative effect, it becomes part of their inherent power.\nSometimes if you want to rattle a cult leader you have to hit with precision their most critical weakness and watch them implode. The fact that Tate is squirming so hard and doing everything he can to reclaim some of his dignity after Greta's clapback means that she has his number. Great isn't saying that having a small dick is bad, but knowing that Tate's entire personality is built about being an alpha male and that calling into question the size of his member will hurt him the most is what she was after. \nOf course, it wasn't classy and could be offensive to some. But as the saying goes, sometimes you have to fight fire with fire.",
">\n\nReally is he squirming? \nHe's rich he's popular and now he's gotten someone he disagrees with to repeat his ideology and platform spreading it to a wider audience. \nI'd argue he's happy for the attention and popularity that she's given to him now and enjoying the increased sales in his business as more men who feel marginalized and left out join him seeing this hypocrisy playing out. Not to mention all the political players( internationally) who were against climate action seeing all this and aligning themselves appropriately, possibly propping him up and making him something more than what he actually is- An ignorant troll. \nEngage with a troll and you only give them more power. The tweet was dumb and people should know better.\nEdit: spacing",
">\n\nI'm not commenting on whether or not his fans will like him more or if the controversy will inadvertently grant him a wider audience. \nI'm commenting that Greta knew exactly where and how to hit him the hardest. Yes, he is definitely squirming. He has scrambled out half a dozen prepubescent \"I know you are but what am I\" tweets. Then he went and made the absolute cringiest response video. He's incensed by being talked down to by Greta and is overcompensating. \nDid her tweet have any net positive effect on society? No. Did it ruffle Tate's feathers and make his blood boil? Yea. Would he have even cared if she called him a misogynistic prick? Absolutely not. He would have just told her to sit down and shut up, that misogyny is made up by inferior women blah blah blah...\nInstead, his insecurities are eating him alive.",
">\n\nWhy even respond and give him attention that he so desperately craves? And why body shame men in the process? \nIf she didn't have a better insult she could have just went on with her life instead of helping him grow. Using \"small dick energy\" as an insult means implicitly we agree that people with small penises are inferior and undesirable. That's basically what Tate is on about ( Toxic masculinity). And by laughing at her tweet we all reinforce that perception. Do you get that? \nSick of double standards and hypocrisy. At least people should have the courage to own up and acknowledge it then move on instead of doubling down and performing mental gymnastics to justify an obvious case of body shaming.\nI agree with you on one thing that the net effect on society because of this tweet exchange is negative and only serves the people who Greta and her followers hate.",
">\n\nI think you are missing what I am saying. I fully agree that it wasn't necessary nor was it the right thing for Greta to do. I also agree that it just gives him attention and was overall a useless venture other for the entertainment of Tate haters.\nOP asked why it is okay. I stated that it isn't okay but that I understand why Greta took that road rather than the suggested non-offensive approach. It is because he's immune to it. What he isn't immune to is his masculinity and ego being questioned. What is the point of the Wolf continuing to blow on the brick house? None. To get to the scared little piggies inside he needs a jackhammer. \nAnd it worked exactly how she planned it to. He was rattled and anyone who hates Tate is amused. \nNot saying it's the right thing to do, nor do I want anyone to feel ashamed of the size of their penis.",
">\n\nOk.. thanks for elaborating on that. I misunderstood your comment as a disagreement and engaged to try and change your mind but seems we share the same view.",
">\n\nYou do not know what Greta is \"fully aware\" of. She is referring to character and behaviour, why are you taking this personally? She isn't speaking to you, hasn't seen you, doesn't know you. I don't know why you are externalizing your issue like this and waving it around in public, is it our responsibility to fix this for you?\nShe was just making a tiny joke. Relax. smalldickenergy @ getalife .com is hilarious.",
">\n\nAside from everything else, it's men who started the 'big dick energy' idiocy so to then complain when someone uses their own stupidity against them...",
">\n\nYeah because men are a monolith and we all meet in a room and know each other smh.",
">\n\nThey’re saying it’s offensive to more than just Andrew Tate",
">\n\nYeah but again, ISN'T THE PURPOSE",
">\n\nWhat do you mean again? You didn’t say that before. And why does the purpose matter? You can do a bad thing without meaning to.",
">\n\nI meant to say isn't that the purpose lol mb",
">\n\nOh lol I probably should have realized that. But I think the point of the insult was to offend Andrew Tate.",
">\n\nFair. Trying to not say anything about him one way or another so I don't get downvoted to hell.",
">\n\nGreta lost that argument. She literally has like a hundred things Tate has said and done she could attack. Easy target... The one thing she chose to do is to body shame the man. It's just name calling. It's not a refutation of Tate. If anything it makes her sound stupid for her inability to come up with a refutation.",
">\n\nExactly. But people are just cheering her on and laughing along without grasping the nuance of the situation.",
">\n\nI think you are kinda missing the point. People know it offensive. The issue is that they don't care.",
">\n\nPeople used to make fun of small tits all the time. Remember the 90s? Remember the itty bitty titty committee? I don't know if that's a thing any more, but skinny women with no butts are definitely not seen as attractive. It's not fair. It's not their fault. People need to stop shaming themselves and eachother, and accept all bodies. Until then, \"small dick energy\" won't cease to be an insult. I guess the difference is people are sort of \"punching up\" since it's always been people with dicks who have the power in this world. I've never heard a dude say that another dude has \"small dick energy.\" It's always a woman saying that. Either way I think it's dumb but I get it. I've always thought \"Karen\" was a dumb insult too. Not someone's fault they were named Karen, LOL.",
">\n\nAndrew insulted her. He was asking for this insult. She was totally in the right. She wasn’t trying to shame anyone else. You’re asking for this insult too.",
">\n\nIsn't it more offensive for small pp folk, that there is a guy who base his entire existence on top of an argument that being an alpha, prime male is the most important thing in the world, and you need to be a testosterone bomb gorilla to have any kind of value. Isn't that argument disregards small dick guys in the first place?",
">\n\nAnd Greta just reinforced it with her reply. Do you see the problem now?\nEdit:replaced \"comment\" with \"reply\"",
">\n\nI believe I've already made a statement about what the problem is.",
">\n\nThen do you understand why Greta's reply is offensive and playing into Andrew Tate's hands?",
">\n\nLol this is twitter. There is no playing into each other's hands. Get outside.",
">\n\nOh look. Greta is human. Someone who spent a lot of her growing up time trying to educate people.\nIf she was in a bar and some doofus made a pass, she's just asserting herself. Age and context. Good on her.",
">\n\nIt is actually been studied. Men with small penises actually do have less energy- testosterone or something.",
">\n\nBeing offended by anything is each person's individual choice. If something is offensive to you, then simply choose to not be offended by it. It's truly that simple.",
">\n\nSo there is no such thing as hate speech?",
">\n\nNo, I didn't say that. Someone can certainly say something to someone that they hate with words that they feel will harm them mentally. That is \"hate speech\". The point I was trying to make is that we all as individuals have the choice to react to whatever someone says in whatever way we choose to react. If I feel offended by something that someone is saying, it is my choice to be offended by it.",
">\n\nI pretty much agree, but now we come to who decides. Does the person doing the talking decide whether it is hate speech? Or the person being talked at?",
">\n\nThere is no decision. The person who is talking thinks that what they are saying is not hateful, or they do. The person being talked at thinks that what the other person is saying is hateful, or they don't. The point is that it only matters if you make it matter to you. For example, if I say you are the dumbest person on earth, am I committing the crime of hate speech? Are you the dumbest person on earth? Probably not. But maybe I believe that you are. Does that make it true? If so, then it's not hate speech it's the truth...to me. If you, personally, believe that you are not the dumbest person on earth, then why would you concern yourself with what my dumbass has to say? To you, I'm the dumbest person on earth. I hope I'm getting my point across here.",
">\n\nSo we agree then? No laws regarding hate speech at all. You just ignore it and move on.",
">\n\nYes, sir.",
">\n\nYup",
">\n\nWhat if I say that I am offended that you are offended that you say \"small dick energy\" is offensive to men that are insecure about their size? Say I'm a man with a huge, massive dong. Say it's been a huge issue for me all my life. Let's say, hypothetically, that I am hugely insecure about the massive size of my dong and it's given me problems all my life. Every time I, hypothetically, go for a jog it's constantly flopping all over the place chaffing up my leg. Every time I have sex it's always this huge issue and only like half of the thing can go in before the receiver is like \"oh my god, stop, that's too much!\" Every time I receive oral sex, anything more than an inch beyond the tip causes a gag reflex. Does that sound exciting to you? Here you are bragging about your completely normal sized penis and all your normal sized penis sex and here this hypothetical person with a huge massive dong has all these issues. I can see how a hypothetical person with this debilitating issue would take offense that you take offense.",
">\n\nShe's an edgelord",
">\n\nreddit",
">\n\nSounds like a skill issue",
">\n\nDo you really get that offended? It's not like males themselves haven't sexualized females and their bodies and have said even worse and more common things about them? But we get offended over sum small? pun intended",
">\n\n“Some males have sexualized females therefore it’s fine for society to make fun of penis size.”",
">\n\nSociety? I don't see everyone (which represents society) doing it 😂 maybe you are focusing too much on negativity and that's all you see",
">\n\nSaying “small dick energy” is inherently a negative thing because it’s an insult. It also implies that there’s something bad about less endowed people because Tate is being compared to that demographic. \nWhen I say society, I mean that a decent percentage of people have “____ dick energy” built into their vocabulary to the point where the meaning of these terms is widely agreed on and it loses it’s direct connection to the penis. This doesn’t mean that the term is appropriate to use though since it originated from actual body shaming."
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I think you should consider the situation at hand and less the use of insults as an absolute
Andrew Tate absolutely deserves it
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"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult.",
">\n\nIt's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh.",
">\n\nHonestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV",
">\n\nPeople can make mistakes and this was one of them.. so we can all just criticize her reply fairly and move on. No need for acute mental gymnastics to defend her as this comments section is showing lmao.",
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">\n\nI don't think anyone is arguing it's not offensive. I'm pretty sure she was trying to offend insecure men. Apparently with great success.",
">\n\nShe was trying to offend men who were insecure about their body image?\nHow is that not body shaming?",
">\n\nIt is, but we playing the avoidance and rationalization game",
">\n\nbecause women invented \"small dick energy\"\nharsh, sad. but we go jim🗿",
">\n\nOP never mentioned women tho. Post is strictly about why it's offensive. Do you disagree that it's not offensive or you think it's a trivial matter to make fun of that men's mental health doesn't matter as much?",
">\n\nThe female equivalent is\n\"Loose Pussy Energy\".\nThe typical man-hate hypocrisy commonly going around is beyond obvious. And it is an attack on All men and boys not just some.",
">\n\nNot a disagreement per se, but also worth noting that it’s transphobic. Which is to say, it insults all men by reinforcing patriarchy and punching down to two groups of men.",
">\n\nShe said small dick energy. Not that he had a small dick (though, come on). She used that phrase BECAUSE it's Tate. She's not a moron.\nHe is, as evidenced by his life to this point and his two responses to Thunberg, which were epically pathetic, is a moron and didn't seem to get it, though he doesn't get a lot.",
">\n\nThis is worse than saying he has a small dick, because how would she know, and that would just be dismissed as stupid.\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\nI can't understand the mental gymnastics some people are doing to try and say this isn't body shaming.",
">\n\n\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\n\nI mean yeah -- kind of like how pussy is an insult denoting cowardice, cunt is an insult meaning basically, terrible, etc., \nShe used that on purpose. Are you making CMV every time you see someone calling someone else a pussy?",
">\n\nPussy is kind of already known to be a shitty gendered insult so it doesn't need a CMV. In this case, Greta's gendered \"having a small penis is bad\" tweet is massively amplified, reached r/all on a shitload of subs, etc. so some discussion about whether or not that is cool is warranted",
">\n\nSmall dick energy isn’t about having a small dick tho. It’s a reflection of an attitude that men who are offensive, aggressive, nasty to people are overcompensating for their insecurities. A small dick doesn’t mean you won’t be able to find a partner or that you’re any less of a man. Being a downright trash bag of a human to others, like in this instance where an internet edgelord is cyber bullying a teenager on the internet who is fighting for the survival of our planet/humanity is an example of this trash behavior, is more of a determining factor. \nYou can also have a small dick but have big dick energy, as it’s reflective of who you are as a person. It’s an attitude. It’s who you choose to be to yourself and others. Hell, there’s women who use the term that they have big dick energy and I can tell you those women’s dicks are none existent so therefore size isn’t a thing. \nNo one should be made fun of for something they had no control over. The worth of a man is not tied to the size of his penis. Although, toxic masculinity and shallow people will tell you different. They say the same for disabled people, fat people etc. There’s plenty of people who are not “conventional standards of beauty” which is the majority of us, that lead happy, healthy relationships. Those relationships start with yourself and understanding your worth as a person isn’t tied to what you look like or how big your junk is. \nThe point is if you choose to be a trash person like Tate, where your self worth is tied into how cruel/offensive you can be to other people, don’t be mad if people call you out for that trashy attitude. Your post definitely reeks of “men are the true victims” when clearly you didn’t seem to have a problem with a grown man cyber bullying a teenager.",
">\n\nI like how you imply that OP is a fan of a literal human trafficker because they point out that a body-shaming insult is body-shaming. Do you understand why associating a trait of someone's body with negative personality traits is bad?",
">\n\nNo because people like this always have exceptions that allow them to use the things they complain about. Cognitive gymnastics allows them to recognise shaming women and people of colour is bad, because society will eat them otherwise, but when someone shows up who deserves a bit of a roasting all of their social etiquette rules go out the window and the excuses come out as to why in this context it doesn't count.\n\"Ahh no, here it is a reflection of an attitude\" blah blah 3 paragraphs later and we've clouded over the simple fact that body shaming is body shaming and harms people you weren't intending to insult.",
">\n\nPeople like this? You’re assuming things about me because I am a character in your mind not a real person. I am not a monolith. We should not be body shaming people. I am explaining the other side of this issue and why people use these terms. You never asked if I use these same terms in my life. You assumed I do. I don’t. You didn’t even bother to read my response because if you did you would have realized this.",
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">\n\nYou can have smol pp but big pp energy and vice versa",
">\n\nSo why is the phrase small dick energy if it has nothing to do with having a small dick?",
">\n\nIdk man, I just work here.",
">\n\nYou know why. Lol cause small dick is associated with bad. And by insulting dicks you use this knowledge to offend, at the cost of body shaming people. \nStop feigning dumb just to avoid the reasoning lol",
">\n\nI can see how it would be offensive, and I wouldn’t use it myself. I feel like the phrase refers more to how someone acts as opposed to how they are endowed. And how it’s behavior and actions that make people think down of you not your penis.",
">\n\nPoint is that we, as a society, should encourage better insults that attack the comments of the person without necessarily having to equate it to something someone with a small dick.",
">\n\nWould you agree with me, that if Andrew clapped back with one of those that the internet would be up in arms about it?",
">\n\nYou mean the way that you are, here, on the internet, up in arms?",
">\n\nIm one person on reddit, theres no major backlash like there would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\nSee, what's happening here is that you are also looking at people who are \"one person on Reddit\" and pretending it's a major backlash. Andrew Tate says fucked up things about women all the time (in fact, it's kind of his whole schtick) and it's as much of a non-event as this is.",
">\n\nPlease link me to something fucked up hes said about women, and ill agree with you, two wrongs don't make a right.",
">\n\nHere's exhibit A.",
">\n\nSure I agree with you he has said fucked up stuff about women, it doesn't mean its okay to make a joke about small dick energy.\nDo you understand my point?",
">\n\nWe understand, it's just that your point is fucking stupid",
">\n\nYou have no idea what his point is, it's funny that people on this thread OP and others actually like Andrew Tate.\nIt proves that everyone is completely frothingly tribalistic with zero nuance.",
">\n\nIf someone is behaving insufferably, people are going to laugh at them for things that they wouldn’t find funny if it happened to someone they liked.\nFor example, is it funny when people go bankrupt? No. Would it be funny if someone like Andrew Tate went bankrupt after boasting about Bugattis and all of his mass wealth? Yes. This doesn’t mean people who would make fun of him for that are making fun of poverty or all people who lose their livelihoods, it would just be funny if it happened to that particular person. \nIn the same way, the idea that Tate does all the douchey, over the top macho things that he does in order to compensate for having a small penis is funny, whilst it not being funny to make fun of every person who has a small penis.",
">\n\nSubstitute fat. Is that ok?",
">\n\nDepends on what the fat person is doing. If the person is minding their own business then no, if the fat person is attacking other people’s appearances then yeah go for it.",
">\n\nInteresting take. Might want to play with that a bit. A lot of situations where your reasoning falls apart.",
">\n\nPeople insulted Trump for being fat when he tried to say he was like the most fit person ever. People make fun of Elon Musk's body. You can make the same type of insult to two different people and it come off two different ways. \nWhen you make your identity or argument around something it opens up certain insults and comebacks. \nTate's whole thing is trying to act like this \"alpha male\" when in reality he's a sex trafficking weirdo who pays women to hang out with him. It's totally fine to insult him with a childish insult. \nI also find that people worried or mad about this don't actually care about body image issues. They just want a gotcha moment for people. Because many would have shitty takes about fat people or whine about pc culture.",
">\n\nWhen you call some MF that doesn't necessarily mean you are a MF... I'm not saying it's okay to say abusing words but we still do use them.\nI don't think she said it in literal terms, it was completely literary. Also she only said it cause it was Tate who she said it to. Also if a woman has small tits and someone said to someone else that they have small tits energy, I don't think one who actually has small tits would mind it, cause she is not involved and it's kinda perfect way of irritating Tate.. cause he really cares about these things. \nWhen it comes to increasing the insecurity of someone who actually has small D and is insecure about it... She couldn't think so far cause all she wanted was to irritate Tate and she was successful",
">\n\nI don't think it even irritated him if that was her goal but definitely helped him with popularity. It just proves what he says people think of insecure men, it just moves them to him and he gains more influence. It was an ignorant reply in poor taste. Someone with much following and influence as Greta shouldn't be as irresponsible and the followers shouldn't be having to do mental gymnastics to defend her instead of seeing it as it is: body shaming against men.",
">\n\nIs this some kind of weird meta-game? Are Andrew Tate fans pretending to actually be offended by this stupid insult to prove a point? Does anybody actually think her retort was any sharper than a brick wrapped in a wet blanket?\nWhat is going on here?!",
">\n\n\nWhat is going on here?!\n\nAndrew Tate fans have a lot of small dick energy. That's whats going on.",
">\n\nWhy are people not allowed dislike tate (he's an absolute idiot and a grifter) and also to criticize obvious body shaming from a supposed progressive? If Biden started talking about \"N*gger energy\" criticizing Kanye for antisemitism, would that be ok in your eyes? Would you say that a black guy who doesn't like that must be an angry Kanye fan? Or is it disgustingly offensive towards all African Americans to use that type of language no matter what?",
">\n\nBecause it suits their narrative to frame it as if people are just defending tate. It's easier than just actually defending body shaming. Done deal.",
">\n\nI think Greta used that phrase not because she actually believes or wants to promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior, but because people like Andrew Tate believe and promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior. If Andrew Tate gets hurt because Greta says he has small dick energy, then maybe -- just maybe, with the tiniest bit of introspection -- he'll come to realize how hateful some of his language is.\nBullies like Andrew Tate don't really respond to logic or pleas for sympathy. The only way to maybe make them understand the hurt they cause is to inflict it on them, because they don't care about anyone but themselves. \nSo instead of putting the cart before the horse and blaming Greta for using an offensive phrase as an argumentative tactic, maybe blame the people who use the phrase to actually demean people.",
">\n\nCan we substitute fat instead and be justified?",
">\n\nYes people did that with Trump when he claimed to be the fittest person ever basically. If someone has a habit of insulting people a certain way or making certain claims then they open themselves up to specific insults. \nSometimes we'd find those insults not tasteful if said to other people. But I feel like most people equating this to fat insults don't actually care about fat people. A lot of people would also be like oh things are getting too pc or soft or woke when it comes to body positivity towards fat people. So for me it's hard to buy this line of reasoning as being truly valid or caring.",
">\n\nNo one said it has to be authentic caring. This sub is for exploring the intellectual arguments. Your perception of how authentic someone’s feelings towards fat people is basically irrelevant. Argue the point or don’t. Passing your authenticity test is a wierd standard to try to argue for.",
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">\n\nYes, making insults is offensive. That's the point.\nInsults that reference a body part are also offensive to people who are insecure about that body part. That's also kinda obvious.\nWhat do you want your mind changed about here? I'm unclear about what you think can be discussed about an insult meant to be insulting. Are you arguing that this insult is especially wrong in some way?\nHow is this not just you soapboxing?",
">\n\nThere's a reason as a society we don't use insults like \"retard\". This is in the same vein. You're attributing a negative thing with a man having a small penis. This is harmful as it perpetuates the stigma surrounding penis size which is outside ones control. Essentially it degrades a group of people who have nothing to do with it. OP wants to know whether or not this is reconciled. Reading the comments... It has not been. \nMaking gendered insults doesn't bother me truthfully but I can understand the frustration OP is expressing because were it to be a man making some edgy reference to a woman's lady parts being inadequate as a way to demean them then everyone would be outraged as opposed to cheering it on.",
">\n\nUsing “small dick” as an insult, or “loose pussy” isn’t really offensive unless you are insecure about the physical viability of your reproductive organs. \nBut, that doesn’t make it funny. It’s a really juvenile and uncreative way of ridiculing someone.",
">\n\nInsecure women are offended when they're fat shamed.\nIt's still body shaming.\nIt's still wrong.",
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">\n\nGuy randomly decides to flex on her by saying I HAVE CARS AND I LIKE TO GO VROOOOM. It's like when Piers decides that it's absolutely important to eat meat in front of vegans. It's not about penis size. It's just that smalldickenergy is a perfect explanation of why would someone decide to behave like this.",
">\n\nShe is 19. Maybe in a few years she will have more mature insults. It’s a lot of pressure to be put on someone so young to also say the perfect thing all the time",
">\n\nUnder nearly all circumstances, I agree with you.\nHowever, for a lot of people who have built a cult of personality around any given ideal, insults of the inoffensive type are completely commonplace. All they have to do is fend off one or two instances of this PG rated attacks, strawman them, call them snowflakes, and their following is bolstered and enhanced. Instead of having any negative effect, it becomes part of their inherent power.\nSometimes if you want to rattle a cult leader you have to hit with precision their most critical weakness and watch them implode. The fact that Tate is squirming so hard and doing everything he can to reclaim some of his dignity after Greta's clapback means that she has his number. Great isn't saying that having a small dick is bad, but knowing that Tate's entire personality is built about being an alpha male and that calling into question the size of his member will hurt him the most is what she was after. \nOf course, it wasn't classy and could be offensive to some. But as the saying goes, sometimes you have to fight fire with fire.",
">\n\nReally is he squirming? \nHe's rich he's popular and now he's gotten someone he disagrees with to repeat his ideology and platform spreading it to a wider audience. \nI'd argue he's happy for the attention and popularity that she's given to him now and enjoying the increased sales in his business as more men who feel marginalized and left out join him seeing this hypocrisy playing out. Not to mention all the political players( internationally) who were against climate action seeing all this and aligning themselves appropriately, possibly propping him up and making him something more than what he actually is- An ignorant troll. \nEngage with a troll and you only give them more power. The tweet was dumb and people should know better.\nEdit: spacing",
">\n\nI'm not commenting on whether or not his fans will like him more or if the controversy will inadvertently grant him a wider audience. \nI'm commenting that Greta knew exactly where and how to hit him the hardest. Yes, he is definitely squirming. He has scrambled out half a dozen prepubescent \"I know you are but what am I\" tweets. Then he went and made the absolute cringiest response video. He's incensed by being talked down to by Greta and is overcompensating. \nDid her tweet have any net positive effect on society? No. Did it ruffle Tate's feathers and make his blood boil? Yea. Would he have even cared if she called him a misogynistic prick? Absolutely not. He would have just told her to sit down and shut up, that misogyny is made up by inferior women blah blah blah...\nInstead, his insecurities are eating him alive.",
">\n\nWhy even respond and give him attention that he so desperately craves? And why body shame men in the process? \nIf she didn't have a better insult she could have just went on with her life instead of helping him grow. Using \"small dick energy\" as an insult means implicitly we agree that people with small penises are inferior and undesirable. That's basically what Tate is on about ( Toxic masculinity). And by laughing at her tweet we all reinforce that perception. Do you get that? \nSick of double standards and hypocrisy. At least people should have the courage to own up and acknowledge it then move on instead of doubling down and performing mental gymnastics to justify an obvious case of body shaming.\nI agree with you on one thing that the net effect on society because of this tweet exchange is negative and only serves the people who Greta and her followers hate.",
">\n\nI think you are missing what I am saying. I fully agree that it wasn't necessary nor was it the right thing for Greta to do. I also agree that it just gives him attention and was overall a useless venture other for the entertainment of Tate haters.\nOP asked why it is okay. I stated that it isn't okay but that I understand why Greta took that road rather than the suggested non-offensive approach. It is because he's immune to it. What he isn't immune to is his masculinity and ego being questioned. What is the point of the Wolf continuing to blow on the brick house? None. To get to the scared little piggies inside he needs a jackhammer. \nAnd it worked exactly how she planned it to. He was rattled and anyone who hates Tate is amused. \nNot saying it's the right thing to do, nor do I want anyone to feel ashamed of the size of their penis.",
">\n\nOk.. thanks for elaborating on that. I misunderstood your comment as a disagreement and engaged to try and change your mind but seems we share the same view.",
">\n\nYou do not know what Greta is \"fully aware\" of. She is referring to character and behaviour, why are you taking this personally? She isn't speaking to you, hasn't seen you, doesn't know you. I don't know why you are externalizing your issue like this and waving it around in public, is it our responsibility to fix this for you?\nShe was just making a tiny joke. Relax. smalldickenergy @ getalife .com is hilarious.",
">\n\nAside from everything else, it's men who started the 'big dick energy' idiocy so to then complain when someone uses their own stupidity against them...",
">\n\nYeah because men are a monolith and we all meet in a room and know each other smh.",
">\n\nThey’re saying it’s offensive to more than just Andrew Tate",
">\n\nYeah but again, ISN'T THE PURPOSE",
">\n\nWhat do you mean again? You didn’t say that before. And why does the purpose matter? You can do a bad thing without meaning to.",
">\n\nI meant to say isn't that the purpose lol mb",
">\n\nOh lol I probably should have realized that. But I think the point of the insult was to offend Andrew Tate.",
">\n\nFair. Trying to not say anything about him one way or another so I don't get downvoted to hell.",
">\n\nGreta lost that argument. She literally has like a hundred things Tate has said and done she could attack. Easy target... The one thing she chose to do is to body shame the man. It's just name calling. It's not a refutation of Tate. If anything it makes her sound stupid for her inability to come up with a refutation.",
">\n\nExactly. But people are just cheering her on and laughing along without grasping the nuance of the situation.",
">\n\nI think you are kinda missing the point. People know it offensive. The issue is that they don't care.",
">\n\nPeople used to make fun of small tits all the time. Remember the 90s? Remember the itty bitty titty committee? I don't know if that's a thing any more, but skinny women with no butts are definitely not seen as attractive. It's not fair. It's not their fault. People need to stop shaming themselves and eachother, and accept all bodies. Until then, \"small dick energy\" won't cease to be an insult. I guess the difference is people are sort of \"punching up\" since it's always been people with dicks who have the power in this world. I've never heard a dude say that another dude has \"small dick energy.\" It's always a woman saying that. Either way I think it's dumb but I get it. I've always thought \"Karen\" was a dumb insult too. Not someone's fault they were named Karen, LOL.",
">\n\nAndrew insulted her. He was asking for this insult. She was totally in the right. She wasn’t trying to shame anyone else. You’re asking for this insult too.",
">\n\nIsn't it more offensive for small pp folk, that there is a guy who base his entire existence on top of an argument that being an alpha, prime male is the most important thing in the world, and you need to be a testosterone bomb gorilla to have any kind of value. Isn't that argument disregards small dick guys in the first place?",
">\n\nAnd Greta just reinforced it with her reply. Do you see the problem now?\nEdit:replaced \"comment\" with \"reply\"",
">\n\nI believe I've already made a statement about what the problem is.",
">\n\nThen do you understand why Greta's reply is offensive and playing into Andrew Tate's hands?",
">\n\nLol this is twitter. There is no playing into each other's hands. Get outside.",
">\n\nOh look. Greta is human. Someone who spent a lot of her growing up time trying to educate people.\nIf she was in a bar and some doofus made a pass, she's just asserting herself. Age and context. Good on her.",
">\n\nIt is actually been studied. Men with small penises actually do have less energy- testosterone or something.",
">\n\nBeing offended by anything is each person's individual choice. If something is offensive to you, then simply choose to not be offended by it. It's truly that simple.",
">\n\nSo there is no such thing as hate speech?",
">\n\nNo, I didn't say that. Someone can certainly say something to someone that they hate with words that they feel will harm them mentally. That is \"hate speech\". The point I was trying to make is that we all as individuals have the choice to react to whatever someone says in whatever way we choose to react. If I feel offended by something that someone is saying, it is my choice to be offended by it.",
">\n\nI pretty much agree, but now we come to who decides. Does the person doing the talking decide whether it is hate speech? Or the person being talked at?",
">\n\nThere is no decision. The person who is talking thinks that what they are saying is not hateful, or they do. The person being talked at thinks that what the other person is saying is hateful, or they don't. The point is that it only matters if you make it matter to you. For example, if I say you are the dumbest person on earth, am I committing the crime of hate speech? Are you the dumbest person on earth? Probably not. But maybe I believe that you are. Does that make it true? If so, then it's not hate speech it's the truth...to me. If you, personally, believe that you are not the dumbest person on earth, then why would you concern yourself with what my dumbass has to say? To you, I'm the dumbest person on earth. I hope I'm getting my point across here.",
">\n\nSo we agree then? No laws regarding hate speech at all. You just ignore it and move on.",
">\n\nYes, sir.",
">\n\nYup",
">\n\nWhat if I say that I am offended that you are offended that you say \"small dick energy\" is offensive to men that are insecure about their size? Say I'm a man with a huge, massive dong. Say it's been a huge issue for me all my life. Let's say, hypothetically, that I am hugely insecure about the massive size of my dong and it's given me problems all my life. Every time I, hypothetically, go for a jog it's constantly flopping all over the place chaffing up my leg. Every time I have sex it's always this huge issue and only like half of the thing can go in before the receiver is like \"oh my god, stop, that's too much!\" Every time I receive oral sex, anything more than an inch beyond the tip causes a gag reflex. Does that sound exciting to you? Here you are bragging about your completely normal sized penis and all your normal sized penis sex and here this hypothetical person with a huge massive dong has all these issues. I can see how a hypothetical person with this debilitating issue would take offense that you take offense.",
">\n\nShe's an edgelord",
">\n\nreddit",
">\n\nSounds like a skill issue",
">\n\nDo you really get that offended? It's not like males themselves haven't sexualized females and their bodies and have said even worse and more common things about them? But we get offended over sum small? pun intended",
">\n\n“Some males have sexualized females therefore it’s fine for society to make fun of penis size.”",
">\n\nSociety? I don't see everyone (which represents society) doing it 😂 maybe you are focusing too much on negativity and that's all you see",
">\n\nSaying “small dick energy” is inherently a negative thing because it’s an insult. It also implies that there’s something bad about less endowed people because Tate is being compared to that demographic. \nWhen I say society, I mean that a decent percentage of people have “____ dick energy” built into their vocabulary to the point where the meaning of these terms is widely agreed on and it loses it’s direct connection to the penis. This doesn’t mean that the term is appropriate to use though since it originated from actual body shaming.",
">\n\nBattle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you."
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the post its about the insult.
"Yeah I called this person a N... but lets focus on how bad that person is!!"
The insult not only its very inflammatory (shows patriarcal estigmas,Its body shaming, reinforces toxic masculinity)
Its also an extremely weak answer, its a groundless ad hominem. I would dare to argue the insult talks more about breta and his internalized toxic patriarcal estigmas than anything against tate.
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"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult.",
">\n\nIt's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh.",
">\n\nHonestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV",
">\n\nPeople can make mistakes and this was one of them.. so we can all just criticize her reply fairly and move on. No need for acute mental gymnastics to defend her as this comments section is showing lmao.",
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">\n\nI don't think anyone is arguing it's not offensive. I'm pretty sure she was trying to offend insecure men. Apparently with great success.",
">\n\nShe was trying to offend men who were insecure about their body image?\nHow is that not body shaming?",
">\n\nIt is, but we playing the avoidance and rationalization game",
">\n\nbecause women invented \"small dick energy\"\nharsh, sad. but we go jim🗿",
">\n\nOP never mentioned women tho. Post is strictly about why it's offensive. Do you disagree that it's not offensive or you think it's a trivial matter to make fun of that men's mental health doesn't matter as much?",
">\n\nThe female equivalent is\n\"Loose Pussy Energy\".\nThe typical man-hate hypocrisy commonly going around is beyond obvious. And it is an attack on All men and boys not just some.",
">\n\nNot a disagreement per se, but also worth noting that it’s transphobic. Which is to say, it insults all men by reinforcing patriarchy and punching down to two groups of men.",
">\n\nShe said small dick energy. Not that he had a small dick (though, come on). She used that phrase BECAUSE it's Tate. She's not a moron.\nHe is, as evidenced by his life to this point and his two responses to Thunberg, which were epically pathetic, is a moron and didn't seem to get it, though he doesn't get a lot.",
">\n\nThis is worse than saying he has a small dick, because how would she know, and that would just be dismissed as stupid.\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\nI can't understand the mental gymnastics some people are doing to try and say this isn't body shaming.",
">\n\n\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\n\nI mean yeah -- kind of like how pussy is an insult denoting cowardice, cunt is an insult meaning basically, terrible, etc., \nShe used that on purpose. Are you making CMV every time you see someone calling someone else a pussy?",
">\n\nPussy is kind of already known to be a shitty gendered insult so it doesn't need a CMV. In this case, Greta's gendered \"having a small penis is bad\" tweet is massively amplified, reached r/all on a shitload of subs, etc. so some discussion about whether or not that is cool is warranted",
">\n\nSmall dick energy isn’t about having a small dick tho. It’s a reflection of an attitude that men who are offensive, aggressive, nasty to people are overcompensating for their insecurities. A small dick doesn’t mean you won’t be able to find a partner or that you’re any less of a man. Being a downright trash bag of a human to others, like in this instance where an internet edgelord is cyber bullying a teenager on the internet who is fighting for the survival of our planet/humanity is an example of this trash behavior, is more of a determining factor. \nYou can also have a small dick but have big dick energy, as it’s reflective of who you are as a person. It’s an attitude. It’s who you choose to be to yourself and others. Hell, there’s women who use the term that they have big dick energy and I can tell you those women’s dicks are none existent so therefore size isn’t a thing. \nNo one should be made fun of for something they had no control over. The worth of a man is not tied to the size of his penis. Although, toxic masculinity and shallow people will tell you different. They say the same for disabled people, fat people etc. There’s plenty of people who are not “conventional standards of beauty” which is the majority of us, that lead happy, healthy relationships. Those relationships start with yourself and understanding your worth as a person isn’t tied to what you look like or how big your junk is. \nThe point is if you choose to be a trash person like Tate, where your self worth is tied into how cruel/offensive you can be to other people, don’t be mad if people call you out for that trashy attitude. Your post definitely reeks of “men are the true victims” when clearly you didn’t seem to have a problem with a grown man cyber bullying a teenager.",
">\n\nI like how you imply that OP is a fan of a literal human trafficker because they point out that a body-shaming insult is body-shaming. Do you understand why associating a trait of someone's body with negative personality traits is bad?",
">\n\nNo because people like this always have exceptions that allow them to use the things they complain about. Cognitive gymnastics allows them to recognise shaming women and people of colour is bad, because society will eat them otherwise, but when someone shows up who deserves a bit of a roasting all of their social etiquette rules go out the window and the excuses come out as to why in this context it doesn't count.\n\"Ahh no, here it is a reflection of an attitude\" blah blah 3 paragraphs later and we've clouded over the simple fact that body shaming is body shaming and harms people you weren't intending to insult.",
">\n\nPeople like this? You’re assuming things about me because I am a character in your mind not a real person. I am not a monolith. We should not be body shaming people. I am explaining the other side of this issue and why people use these terms. You never asked if I use these same terms in my life. You assumed I do. I don’t. You didn’t even bother to read my response because if you did you would have realized this.",
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">\n\nYou can have smol pp but big pp energy and vice versa",
">\n\nSo why is the phrase small dick energy if it has nothing to do with having a small dick?",
">\n\nIdk man, I just work here.",
">\n\nYou know why. Lol cause small dick is associated with bad. And by insulting dicks you use this knowledge to offend, at the cost of body shaming people. \nStop feigning dumb just to avoid the reasoning lol",
">\n\nI can see how it would be offensive, and I wouldn’t use it myself. I feel like the phrase refers more to how someone acts as opposed to how they are endowed. And how it’s behavior and actions that make people think down of you not your penis.",
">\n\nPoint is that we, as a society, should encourage better insults that attack the comments of the person without necessarily having to equate it to something someone with a small dick.",
">\n\nWould you agree with me, that if Andrew clapped back with one of those that the internet would be up in arms about it?",
">\n\nYou mean the way that you are, here, on the internet, up in arms?",
">\n\nIm one person on reddit, theres no major backlash like there would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\nSee, what's happening here is that you are also looking at people who are \"one person on Reddit\" and pretending it's a major backlash. Andrew Tate says fucked up things about women all the time (in fact, it's kind of his whole schtick) and it's as much of a non-event as this is.",
">\n\nPlease link me to something fucked up hes said about women, and ill agree with you, two wrongs don't make a right.",
">\n\nHere's exhibit A.",
">\n\nSure I agree with you he has said fucked up stuff about women, it doesn't mean its okay to make a joke about small dick energy.\nDo you understand my point?",
">\n\nWe understand, it's just that your point is fucking stupid",
">\n\nYou have no idea what his point is, it's funny that people on this thread OP and others actually like Andrew Tate.\nIt proves that everyone is completely frothingly tribalistic with zero nuance.",
">\n\nIf someone is behaving insufferably, people are going to laugh at them for things that they wouldn’t find funny if it happened to someone they liked.\nFor example, is it funny when people go bankrupt? No. Would it be funny if someone like Andrew Tate went bankrupt after boasting about Bugattis and all of his mass wealth? Yes. This doesn’t mean people who would make fun of him for that are making fun of poverty or all people who lose their livelihoods, it would just be funny if it happened to that particular person. \nIn the same way, the idea that Tate does all the douchey, over the top macho things that he does in order to compensate for having a small penis is funny, whilst it not being funny to make fun of every person who has a small penis.",
">\n\nSubstitute fat. Is that ok?",
">\n\nDepends on what the fat person is doing. If the person is minding their own business then no, if the fat person is attacking other people’s appearances then yeah go for it.",
">\n\nInteresting take. Might want to play with that a bit. A lot of situations where your reasoning falls apart.",
">\n\nPeople insulted Trump for being fat when he tried to say he was like the most fit person ever. People make fun of Elon Musk's body. You can make the same type of insult to two different people and it come off two different ways. \nWhen you make your identity or argument around something it opens up certain insults and comebacks. \nTate's whole thing is trying to act like this \"alpha male\" when in reality he's a sex trafficking weirdo who pays women to hang out with him. It's totally fine to insult him with a childish insult. \nI also find that people worried or mad about this don't actually care about body image issues. They just want a gotcha moment for people. Because many would have shitty takes about fat people or whine about pc culture.",
">\n\nWhen you call some MF that doesn't necessarily mean you are a MF... I'm not saying it's okay to say abusing words but we still do use them.\nI don't think she said it in literal terms, it was completely literary. Also she only said it cause it was Tate who she said it to. Also if a woman has small tits and someone said to someone else that they have small tits energy, I don't think one who actually has small tits would mind it, cause she is not involved and it's kinda perfect way of irritating Tate.. cause he really cares about these things. \nWhen it comes to increasing the insecurity of someone who actually has small D and is insecure about it... She couldn't think so far cause all she wanted was to irritate Tate and she was successful",
">\n\nI don't think it even irritated him if that was her goal but definitely helped him with popularity. It just proves what he says people think of insecure men, it just moves them to him and he gains more influence. It was an ignorant reply in poor taste. Someone with much following and influence as Greta shouldn't be as irresponsible and the followers shouldn't be having to do mental gymnastics to defend her instead of seeing it as it is: body shaming against men.",
">\n\nIs this some kind of weird meta-game? Are Andrew Tate fans pretending to actually be offended by this stupid insult to prove a point? Does anybody actually think her retort was any sharper than a brick wrapped in a wet blanket?\nWhat is going on here?!",
">\n\n\nWhat is going on here?!\n\nAndrew Tate fans have a lot of small dick energy. That's whats going on.",
">\n\nWhy are people not allowed dislike tate (he's an absolute idiot and a grifter) and also to criticize obvious body shaming from a supposed progressive? If Biden started talking about \"N*gger energy\" criticizing Kanye for antisemitism, would that be ok in your eyes? Would you say that a black guy who doesn't like that must be an angry Kanye fan? Or is it disgustingly offensive towards all African Americans to use that type of language no matter what?",
">\n\nBecause it suits their narrative to frame it as if people are just defending tate. It's easier than just actually defending body shaming. Done deal.",
">\n\nI think Greta used that phrase not because she actually believes or wants to promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior, but because people like Andrew Tate believe and promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior. If Andrew Tate gets hurt because Greta says he has small dick energy, then maybe -- just maybe, with the tiniest bit of introspection -- he'll come to realize how hateful some of his language is.\nBullies like Andrew Tate don't really respond to logic or pleas for sympathy. The only way to maybe make them understand the hurt they cause is to inflict it on them, because they don't care about anyone but themselves. \nSo instead of putting the cart before the horse and blaming Greta for using an offensive phrase as an argumentative tactic, maybe blame the people who use the phrase to actually demean people.",
">\n\nCan we substitute fat instead and be justified?",
">\n\nYes people did that with Trump when he claimed to be the fittest person ever basically. If someone has a habit of insulting people a certain way or making certain claims then they open themselves up to specific insults. \nSometimes we'd find those insults not tasteful if said to other people. But I feel like most people equating this to fat insults don't actually care about fat people. A lot of people would also be like oh things are getting too pc or soft or woke when it comes to body positivity towards fat people. So for me it's hard to buy this line of reasoning as being truly valid or caring.",
">\n\nNo one said it has to be authentic caring. This sub is for exploring the intellectual arguments. Your perception of how authentic someone’s feelings towards fat people is basically irrelevant. Argue the point or don’t. Passing your authenticity test is a wierd standard to try to argue for.",
">\n\nSorry, u/AlternativeFukts – your comment has been removed for breaking Rule 5: \n\nComments must contribute meaningfully to the conversation. \n\nComments should be on-topic, serious, and contain enough content to move the discussion forward. Jokes, contradictions without explanation, links without context, off-topic comments, and \"written upvotes\" will be removed. Read the wiki for more information. \nIf you would like to appeal, review our appeals process here, then message the moderators by clicking this link within one week of this notice being posted.",
">\n\nYes, making insults is offensive. That's the point.\nInsults that reference a body part are also offensive to people who are insecure about that body part. That's also kinda obvious.\nWhat do you want your mind changed about here? I'm unclear about what you think can be discussed about an insult meant to be insulting. Are you arguing that this insult is especially wrong in some way?\nHow is this not just you soapboxing?",
">\n\nThere's a reason as a society we don't use insults like \"retard\". This is in the same vein. You're attributing a negative thing with a man having a small penis. This is harmful as it perpetuates the stigma surrounding penis size which is outside ones control. Essentially it degrades a group of people who have nothing to do with it. OP wants to know whether or not this is reconciled. Reading the comments... It has not been. \nMaking gendered insults doesn't bother me truthfully but I can understand the frustration OP is expressing because were it to be a man making some edgy reference to a woman's lady parts being inadequate as a way to demean them then everyone would be outraged as opposed to cheering it on.",
">\n\nUsing “small dick” as an insult, or “loose pussy” isn’t really offensive unless you are insecure about the physical viability of your reproductive organs. \nBut, that doesn’t make it funny. It’s a really juvenile and uncreative way of ridiculing someone.",
">\n\nInsecure women are offended when they're fat shamed.\nIt's still body shaming.\nIt's still wrong.",
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">\n\nGuy randomly decides to flex on her by saying I HAVE CARS AND I LIKE TO GO VROOOOM. It's like when Piers decides that it's absolutely important to eat meat in front of vegans. It's not about penis size. It's just that smalldickenergy is a perfect explanation of why would someone decide to behave like this.",
">\n\nShe is 19. Maybe in a few years she will have more mature insults. It’s a lot of pressure to be put on someone so young to also say the perfect thing all the time",
">\n\nUnder nearly all circumstances, I agree with you.\nHowever, for a lot of people who have built a cult of personality around any given ideal, insults of the inoffensive type are completely commonplace. All they have to do is fend off one or two instances of this PG rated attacks, strawman them, call them snowflakes, and their following is bolstered and enhanced. Instead of having any negative effect, it becomes part of their inherent power.\nSometimes if you want to rattle a cult leader you have to hit with precision their most critical weakness and watch them implode. The fact that Tate is squirming so hard and doing everything he can to reclaim some of his dignity after Greta's clapback means that she has his number. Great isn't saying that having a small dick is bad, but knowing that Tate's entire personality is built about being an alpha male and that calling into question the size of his member will hurt him the most is what she was after. \nOf course, it wasn't classy and could be offensive to some. But as the saying goes, sometimes you have to fight fire with fire.",
">\n\nReally is he squirming? \nHe's rich he's popular and now he's gotten someone he disagrees with to repeat his ideology and platform spreading it to a wider audience. \nI'd argue he's happy for the attention and popularity that she's given to him now and enjoying the increased sales in his business as more men who feel marginalized and left out join him seeing this hypocrisy playing out. Not to mention all the political players( internationally) who were against climate action seeing all this and aligning themselves appropriately, possibly propping him up and making him something more than what he actually is- An ignorant troll. \nEngage with a troll and you only give them more power. The tweet was dumb and people should know better.\nEdit: spacing",
">\n\nI'm not commenting on whether or not his fans will like him more or if the controversy will inadvertently grant him a wider audience. \nI'm commenting that Greta knew exactly where and how to hit him the hardest. Yes, he is definitely squirming. He has scrambled out half a dozen prepubescent \"I know you are but what am I\" tweets. Then he went and made the absolute cringiest response video. He's incensed by being talked down to by Greta and is overcompensating. \nDid her tweet have any net positive effect on society? No. Did it ruffle Tate's feathers and make his blood boil? Yea. Would he have even cared if she called him a misogynistic prick? Absolutely not. He would have just told her to sit down and shut up, that misogyny is made up by inferior women blah blah blah...\nInstead, his insecurities are eating him alive.",
">\n\nWhy even respond and give him attention that he so desperately craves? And why body shame men in the process? \nIf she didn't have a better insult she could have just went on with her life instead of helping him grow. Using \"small dick energy\" as an insult means implicitly we agree that people with small penises are inferior and undesirable. That's basically what Tate is on about ( Toxic masculinity). And by laughing at her tweet we all reinforce that perception. Do you get that? \nSick of double standards and hypocrisy. At least people should have the courage to own up and acknowledge it then move on instead of doubling down and performing mental gymnastics to justify an obvious case of body shaming.\nI agree with you on one thing that the net effect on society because of this tweet exchange is negative and only serves the people who Greta and her followers hate.",
">\n\nI think you are missing what I am saying. I fully agree that it wasn't necessary nor was it the right thing for Greta to do. I also agree that it just gives him attention and was overall a useless venture other for the entertainment of Tate haters.\nOP asked why it is okay. I stated that it isn't okay but that I understand why Greta took that road rather than the suggested non-offensive approach. It is because he's immune to it. What he isn't immune to is his masculinity and ego being questioned. What is the point of the Wolf continuing to blow on the brick house? None. To get to the scared little piggies inside he needs a jackhammer. \nAnd it worked exactly how she planned it to. He was rattled and anyone who hates Tate is amused. \nNot saying it's the right thing to do, nor do I want anyone to feel ashamed of the size of their penis.",
">\n\nOk.. thanks for elaborating on that. I misunderstood your comment as a disagreement and engaged to try and change your mind but seems we share the same view.",
">\n\nYou do not know what Greta is \"fully aware\" of. She is referring to character and behaviour, why are you taking this personally? She isn't speaking to you, hasn't seen you, doesn't know you. I don't know why you are externalizing your issue like this and waving it around in public, is it our responsibility to fix this for you?\nShe was just making a tiny joke. Relax. smalldickenergy @ getalife .com is hilarious.",
">\n\nAside from everything else, it's men who started the 'big dick energy' idiocy so to then complain when someone uses their own stupidity against them...",
">\n\nYeah because men are a monolith and we all meet in a room and know each other smh.",
">\n\nThey’re saying it’s offensive to more than just Andrew Tate",
">\n\nYeah but again, ISN'T THE PURPOSE",
">\n\nWhat do you mean again? You didn’t say that before. And why does the purpose matter? You can do a bad thing without meaning to.",
">\n\nI meant to say isn't that the purpose lol mb",
">\n\nOh lol I probably should have realized that. But I think the point of the insult was to offend Andrew Tate.",
">\n\nFair. Trying to not say anything about him one way or another so I don't get downvoted to hell.",
">\n\nGreta lost that argument. She literally has like a hundred things Tate has said and done she could attack. Easy target... The one thing she chose to do is to body shame the man. It's just name calling. It's not a refutation of Tate. If anything it makes her sound stupid for her inability to come up with a refutation.",
">\n\nExactly. But people are just cheering her on and laughing along without grasping the nuance of the situation.",
">\n\nI think you are kinda missing the point. People know it offensive. The issue is that they don't care.",
">\n\nPeople used to make fun of small tits all the time. Remember the 90s? Remember the itty bitty titty committee? I don't know if that's a thing any more, but skinny women with no butts are definitely not seen as attractive. It's not fair. It's not their fault. People need to stop shaming themselves and eachother, and accept all bodies. Until then, \"small dick energy\" won't cease to be an insult. I guess the difference is people are sort of \"punching up\" since it's always been people with dicks who have the power in this world. I've never heard a dude say that another dude has \"small dick energy.\" It's always a woman saying that. Either way I think it's dumb but I get it. I've always thought \"Karen\" was a dumb insult too. Not someone's fault they were named Karen, LOL.",
">\n\nAndrew insulted her. He was asking for this insult. She was totally in the right. She wasn’t trying to shame anyone else. You’re asking for this insult too.",
">\n\nIsn't it more offensive for small pp folk, that there is a guy who base his entire existence on top of an argument that being an alpha, prime male is the most important thing in the world, and you need to be a testosterone bomb gorilla to have any kind of value. Isn't that argument disregards small dick guys in the first place?",
">\n\nAnd Greta just reinforced it with her reply. Do you see the problem now?\nEdit:replaced \"comment\" with \"reply\"",
">\n\nI believe I've already made a statement about what the problem is.",
">\n\nThen do you understand why Greta's reply is offensive and playing into Andrew Tate's hands?",
">\n\nLol this is twitter. There is no playing into each other's hands. Get outside.",
">\n\nOh look. Greta is human. Someone who spent a lot of her growing up time trying to educate people.\nIf she was in a bar and some doofus made a pass, she's just asserting herself. Age and context. Good on her.",
">\n\nIt is actually been studied. Men with small penises actually do have less energy- testosterone or something.",
">\n\nBeing offended by anything is each person's individual choice. If something is offensive to you, then simply choose to not be offended by it. It's truly that simple.",
">\n\nSo there is no such thing as hate speech?",
">\n\nNo, I didn't say that. Someone can certainly say something to someone that they hate with words that they feel will harm them mentally. That is \"hate speech\". The point I was trying to make is that we all as individuals have the choice to react to whatever someone says in whatever way we choose to react. If I feel offended by something that someone is saying, it is my choice to be offended by it.",
">\n\nI pretty much agree, but now we come to who decides. Does the person doing the talking decide whether it is hate speech? Or the person being talked at?",
">\n\nThere is no decision. The person who is talking thinks that what they are saying is not hateful, or they do. The person being talked at thinks that what the other person is saying is hateful, or they don't. The point is that it only matters if you make it matter to you. For example, if I say you are the dumbest person on earth, am I committing the crime of hate speech? Are you the dumbest person on earth? Probably not. But maybe I believe that you are. Does that make it true? If so, then it's not hate speech it's the truth...to me. If you, personally, believe that you are not the dumbest person on earth, then why would you concern yourself with what my dumbass has to say? To you, I'm the dumbest person on earth. I hope I'm getting my point across here.",
">\n\nSo we agree then? No laws regarding hate speech at all. You just ignore it and move on.",
">\n\nYes, sir.",
">\n\nYup",
">\n\nWhat if I say that I am offended that you are offended that you say \"small dick energy\" is offensive to men that are insecure about their size? Say I'm a man with a huge, massive dong. Say it's been a huge issue for me all my life. Let's say, hypothetically, that I am hugely insecure about the massive size of my dong and it's given me problems all my life. Every time I, hypothetically, go for a jog it's constantly flopping all over the place chaffing up my leg. Every time I have sex it's always this huge issue and only like half of the thing can go in before the receiver is like \"oh my god, stop, that's too much!\" Every time I receive oral sex, anything more than an inch beyond the tip causes a gag reflex. Does that sound exciting to you? Here you are bragging about your completely normal sized penis and all your normal sized penis sex and here this hypothetical person with a huge massive dong has all these issues. I can see how a hypothetical person with this debilitating issue would take offense that you take offense.",
">\n\nShe's an edgelord",
">\n\nreddit",
">\n\nSounds like a skill issue",
">\n\nDo you really get that offended? It's not like males themselves haven't sexualized females and their bodies and have said even worse and more common things about them? But we get offended over sum small? pun intended",
">\n\n“Some males have sexualized females therefore it’s fine for society to make fun of penis size.”",
">\n\nSociety? I don't see everyone (which represents society) doing it 😂 maybe you are focusing too much on negativity and that's all you see",
">\n\nSaying “small dick energy” is inherently a negative thing because it’s an insult. It also implies that there’s something bad about less endowed people because Tate is being compared to that demographic. \nWhen I say society, I mean that a decent percentage of people have “____ dick energy” built into their vocabulary to the point where the meaning of these terms is widely agreed on and it loses it’s direct connection to the penis. This doesn’t mean that the term is appropriate to use though since it originated from actual body shaming.",
">\n\nBattle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.",
">\n\nI think you should consider the situation at hand and less the use of insults as an absolute \nAndrew Tate absolutely deserves it"
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"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult.",
">\n\nIt's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh.",
">\n\nHonestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV",
">\n\nPeople can make mistakes and this was one of them.. so we can all just criticize her reply fairly and move on. No need for acute mental gymnastics to defend her as this comments section is showing lmao.",
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">\n\nI don't think anyone is arguing it's not offensive. I'm pretty sure she was trying to offend insecure men. Apparently with great success.",
">\n\nShe was trying to offend men who were insecure about their body image?\nHow is that not body shaming?",
">\n\nIt is, but we playing the avoidance and rationalization game",
">\n\nbecause women invented \"small dick energy\"\nharsh, sad. but we go jim🗿",
">\n\nOP never mentioned women tho. Post is strictly about why it's offensive. Do you disagree that it's not offensive or you think it's a trivial matter to make fun of that men's mental health doesn't matter as much?",
">\n\nThe female equivalent is\n\"Loose Pussy Energy\".\nThe typical man-hate hypocrisy commonly going around is beyond obvious. And it is an attack on All men and boys not just some.",
">\n\nNot a disagreement per se, but also worth noting that it’s transphobic. Which is to say, it insults all men by reinforcing patriarchy and punching down to two groups of men.",
">\n\nShe said small dick energy. Not that he had a small dick (though, come on). She used that phrase BECAUSE it's Tate. She's not a moron.\nHe is, as evidenced by his life to this point and his two responses to Thunberg, which were epically pathetic, is a moron and didn't seem to get it, though he doesn't get a lot.",
">\n\nThis is worse than saying he has a small dick, because how would she know, and that would just be dismissed as stupid.\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\nI can't understand the mental gymnastics some people are doing to try and say this isn't body shaming.",
">\n\n\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\n\nI mean yeah -- kind of like how pussy is an insult denoting cowardice, cunt is an insult meaning basically, terrible, etc., \nShe used that on purpose. Are you making CMV every time you see someone calling someone else a pussy?",
">\n\nPussy is kind of already known to be a shitty gendered insult so it doesn't need a CMV. In this case, Greta's gendered \"having a small penis is bad\" tweet is massively amplified, reached r/all on a shitload of subs, etc. so some discussion about whether or not that is cool is warranted",
">\n\nSmall dick energy isn’t about having a small dick tho. It’s a reflection of an attitude that men who are offensive, aggressive, nasty to people are overcompensating for their insecurities. A small dick doesn’t mean you won’t be able to find a partner or that you’re any less of a man. Being a downright trash bag of a human to others, like in this instance where an internet edgelord is cyber bullying a teenager on the internet who is fighting for the survival of our planet/humanity is an example of this trash behavior, is more of a determining factor. \nYou can also have a small dick but have big dick energy, as it’s reflective of who you are as a person. It’s an attitude. It’s who you choose to be to yourself and others. Hell, there’s women who use the term that they have big dick energy and I can tell you those women’s dicks are none existent so therefore size isn’t a thing. \nNo one should be made fun of for something they had no control over. The worth of a man is not tied to the size of his penis. Although, toxic masculinity and shallow people will tell you different. They say the same for disabled people, fat people etc. There’s plenty of people who are not “conventional standards of beauty” which is the majority of us, that lead happy, healthy relationships. Those relationships start with yourself and understanding your worth as a person isn’t tied to what you look like or how big your junk is. \nThe point is if you choose to be a trash person like Tate, where your self worth is tied into how cruel/offensive you can be to other people, don’t be mad if people call you out for that trashy attitude. Your post definitely reeks of “men are the true victims” when clearly you didn’t seem to have a problem with a grown man cyber bullying a teenager.",
">\n\nI like how you imply that OP is a fan of a literal human trafficker because they point out that a body-shaming insult is body-shaming. Do you understand why associating a trait of someone's body with negative personality traits is bad?",
">\n\nNo because people like this always have exceptions that allow them to use the things they complain about. Cognitive gymnastics allows them to recognise shaming women and people of colour is bad, because society will eat them otherwise, but when someone shows up who deserves a bit of a roasting all of their social etiquette rules go out the window and the excuses come out as to why in this context it doesn't count.\n\"Ahh no, here it is a reflection of an attitude\" blah blah 3 paragraphs later and we've clouded over the simple fact that body shaming is body shaming and harms people you weren't intending to insult.",
">\n\nPeople like this? You’re assuming things about me because I am a character in your mind not a real person. I am not a monolith. We should not be body shaming people. I am explaining the other side of this issue and why people use these terms. You never asked if I use these same terms in my life. You assumed I do. I don’t. You didn’t even bother to read my response because if you did you would have realized this.",
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">\n\nYou can have smol pp but big pp energy and vice versa",
">\n\nSo why is the phrase small dick energy if it has nothing to do with having a small dick?",
">\n\nIdk man, I just work here.",
">\n\nYou know why. Lol cause small dick is associated with bad. And by insulting dicks you use this knowledge to offend, at the cost of body shaming people. \nStop feigning dumb just to avoid the reasoning lol",
">\n\nI can see how it would be offensive, and I wouldn’t use it myself. I feel like the phrase refers more to how someone acts as opposed to how they are endowed. And how it’s behavior and actions that make people think down of you not your penis.",
">\n\nPoint is that we, as a society, should encourage better insults that attack the comments of the person without necessarily having to equate it to something someone with a small dick.",
">\n\nWould you agree with me, that if Andrew clapped back with one of those that the internet would be up in arms about it?",
">\n\nYou mean the way that you are, here, on the internet, up in arms?",
">\n\nIm one person on reddit, theres no major backlash like there would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\nSee, what's happening here is that you are also looking at people who are \"one person on Reddit\" and pretending it's a major backlash. Andrew Tate says fucked up things about women all the time (in fact, it's kind of his whole schtick) and it's as much of a non-event as this is.",
">\n\nPlease link me to something fucked up hes said about women, and ill agree with you, two wrongs don't make a right.",
">\n\nHere's exhibit A.",
">\n\nSure I agree with you he has said fucked up stuff about women, it doesn't mean its okay to make a joke about small dick energy.\nDo you understand my point?",
">\n\nWe understand, it's just that your point is fucking stupid",
">\n\nYou have no idea what his point is, it's funny that people on this thread OP and others actually like Andrew Tate.\nIt proves that everyone is completely frothingly tribalistic with zero nuance.",
">\n\nIf someone is behaving insufferably, people are going to laugh at them for things that they wouldn’t find funny if it happened to someone they liked.\nFor example, is it funny when people go bankrupt? No. Would it be funny if someone like Andrew Tate went bankrupt after boasting about Bugattis and all of his mass wealth? Yes. This doesn’t mean people who would make fun of him for that are making fun of poverty or all people who lose their livelihoods, it would just be funny if it happened to that particular person. \nIn the same way, the idea that Tate does all the douchey, over the top macho things that he does in order to compensate for having a small penis is funny, whilst it not being funny to make fun of every person who has a small penis.",
">\n\nSubstitute fat. Is that ok?",
">\n\nDepends on what the fat person is doing. If the person is minding their own business then no, if the fat person is attacking other people’s appearances then yeah go for it.",
">\n\nInteresting take. Might want to play with that a bit. A lot of situations where your reasoning falls apart.",
">\n\nPeople insulted Trump for being fat when he tried to say he was like the most fit person ever. People make fun of Elon Musk's body. You can make the same type of insult to two different people and it come off two different ways. \nWhen you make your identity or argument around something it opens up certain insults and comebacks. \nTate's whole thing is trying to act like this \"alpha male\" when in reality he's a sex trafficking weirdo who pays women to hang out with him. It's totally fine to insult him with a childish insult. \nI also find that people worried or mad about this don't actually care about body image issues. They just want a gotcha moment for people. Because many would have shitty takes about fat people or whine about pc culture.",
">\n\nWhen you call some MF that doesn't necessarily mean you are a MF... I'm not saying it's okay to say abusing words but we still do use them.\nI don't think she said it in literal terms, it was completely literary. Also she only said it cause it was Tate who she said it to. Also if a woman has small tits and someone said to someone else that they have small tits energy, I don't think one who actually has small tits would mind it, cause she is not involved and it's kinda perfect way of irritating Tate.. cause he really cares about these things. \nWhen it comes to increasing the insecurity of someone who actually has small D and is insecure about it... She couldn't think so far cause all she wanted was to irritate Tate and she was successful",
">\n\nI don't think it even irritated him if that was her goal but definitely helped him with popularity. It just proves what he says people think of insecure men, it just moves them to him and he gains more influence. It was an ignorant reply in poor taste. Someone with much following and influence as Greta shouldn't be as irresponsible and the followers shouldn't be having to do mental gymnastics to defend her instead of seeing it as it is: body shaming against men.",
">\n\nIs this some kind of weird meta-game? Are Andrew Tate fans pretending to actually be offended by this stupid insult to prove a point? Does anybody actually think her retort was any sharper than a brick wrapped in a wet blanket?\nWhat is going on here?!",
">\n\n\nWhat is going on here?!\n\nAndrew Tate fans have a lot of small dick energy. That's whats going on.",
">\n\nWhy are people not allowed dislike tate (he's an absolute idiot and a grifter) and also to criticize obvious body shaming from a supposed progressive? If Biden started talking about \"N*gger energy\" criticizing Kanye for antisemitism, would that be ok in your eyes? Would you say that a black guy who doesn't like that must be an angry Kanye fan? Or is it disgustingly offensive towards all African Americans to use that type of language no matter what?",
">\n\nBecause it suits their narrative to frame it as if people are just defending tate. It's easier than just actually defending body shaming. Done deal.",
">\n\nI think Greta used that phrase not because she actually believes or wants to promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior, but because people like Andrew Tate believe and promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior. If Andrew Tate gets hurt because Greta says he has small dick energy, then maybe -- just maybe, with the tiniest bit of introspection -- he'll come to realize how hateful some of his language is.\nBullies like Andrew Tate don't really respond to logic or pleas for sympathy. The only way to maybe make them understand the hurt they cause is to inflict it on them, because they don't care about anyone but themselves. \nSo instead of putting the cart before the horse and blaming Greta for using an offensive phrase as an argumentative tactic, maybe blame the people who use the phrase to actually demean people.",
">\n\nCan we substitute fat instead and be justified?",
">\n\nYes people did that with Trump when he claimed to be the fittest person ever basically. If someone has a habit of insulting people a certain way or making certain claims then they open themselves up to specific insults. \nSometimes we'd find those insults not tasteful if said to other people. But I feel like most people equating this to fat insults don't actually care about fat people. A lot of people would also be like oh things are getting too pc or soft or woke when it comes to body positivity towards fat people. So for me it's hard to buy this line of reasoning as being truly valid or caring.",
">\n\nNo one said it has to be authentic caring. This sub is for exploring the intellectual arguments. Your perception of how authentic someone’s feelings towards fat people is basically irrelevant. Argue the point or don’t. Passing your authenticity test is a wierd standard to try to argue for.",
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">\n\nYes, making insults is offensive. That's the point.\nInsults that reference a body part are also offensive to people who are insecure about that body part. That's also kinda obvious.\nWhat do you want your mind changed about here? I'm unclear about what you think can be discussed about an insult meant to be insulting. Are you arguing that this insult is especially wrong in some way?\nHow is this not just you soapboxing?",
">\n\nThere's a reason as a society we don't use insults like \"retard\". This is in the same vein. You're attributing a negative thing with a man having a small penis. This is harmful as it perpetuates the stigma surrounding penis size which is outside ones control. Essentially it degrades a group of people who have nothing to do with it. OP wants to know whether or not this is reconciled. Reading the comments... It has not been. \nMaking gendered insults doesn't bother me truthfully but I can understand the frustration OP is expressing because were it to be a man making some edgy reference to a woman's lady parts being inadequate as a way to demean them then everyone would be outraged as opposed to cheering it on.",
">\n\nUsing “small dick” as an insult, or “loose pussy” isn’t really offensive unless you are insecure about the physical viability of your reproductive organs. \nBut, that doesn’t make it funny. It’s a really juvenile and uncreative way of ridiculing someone.",
">\n\nInsecure women are offended when they're fat shamed.\nIt's still body shaming.\nIt's still wrong.",
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">\n\nGuy randomly decides to flex on her by saying I HAVE CARS AND I LIKE TO GO VROOOOM. It's like when Piers decides that it's absolutely important to eat meat in front of vegans. It's not about penis size. It's just that smalldickenergy is a perfect explanation of why would someone decide to behave like this.",
">\n\nShe is 19. Maybe in a few years she will have more mature insults. It’s a lot of pressure to be put on someone so young to also say the perfect thing all the time",
">\n\nUnder nearly all circumstances, I agree with you.\nHowever, for a lot of people who have built a cult of personality around any given ideal, insults of the inoffensive type are completely commonplace. All they have to do is fend off one or two instances of this PG rated attacks, strawman them, call them snowflakes, and their following is bolstered and enhanced. Instead of having any negative effect, it becomes part of their inherent power.\nSometimes if you want to rattle a cult leader you have to hit with precision their most critical weakness and watch them implode. The fact that Tate is squirming so hard and doing everything he can to reclaim some of his dignity after Greta's clapback means that she has his number. Great isn't saying that having a small dick is bad, but knowing that Tate's entire personality is built about being an alpha male and that calling into question the size of his member will hurt him the most is what she was after. \nOf course, it wasn't classy and could be offensive to some. But as the saying goes, sometimes you have to fight fire with fire.",
">\n\nReally is he squirming? \nHe's rich he's popular and now he's gotten someone he disagrees with to repeat his ideology and platform spreading it to a wider audience. \nI'd argue he's happy for the attention and popularity that she's given to him now and enjoying the increased sales in his business as more men who feel marginalized and left out join him seeing this hypocrisy playing out. Not to mention all the political players( internationally) who were against climate action seeing all this and aligning themselves appropriately, possibly propping him up and making him something more than what he actually is- An ignorant troll. \nEngage with a troll and you only give them more power. The tweet was dumb and people should know better.\nEdit: spacing",
">\n\nI'm not commenting on whether or not his fans will like him more or if the controversy will inadvertently grant him a wider audience. \nI'm commenting that Greta knew exactly where and how to hit him the hardest. Yes, he is definitely squirming. He has scrambled out half a dozen prepubescent \"I know you are but what am I\" tweets. Then he went and made the absolute cringiest response video. He's incensed by being talked down to by Greta and is overcompensating. \nDid her tweet have any net positive effect on society? No. Did it ruffle Tate's feathers and make his blood boil? Yea. Would he have even cared if she called him a misogynistic prick? Absolutely not. He would have just told her to sit down and shut up, that misogyny is made up by inferior women blah blah blah...\nInstead, his insecurities are eating him alive.",
">\n\nWhy even respond and give him attention that he so desperately craves? And why body shame men in the process? \nIf she didn't have a better insult she could have just went on with her life instead of helping him grow. Using \"small dick energy\" as an insult means implicitly we agree that people with small penises are inferior and undesirable. That's basically what Tate is on about ( Toxic masculinity). And by laughing at her tweet we all reinforce that perception. Do you get that? \nSick of double standards and hypocrisy. At least people should have the courage to own up and acknowledge it then move on instead of doubling down and performing mental gymnastics to justify an obvious case of body shaming.\nI agree with you on one thing that the net effect on society because of this tweet exchange is negative and only serves the people who Greta and her followers hate.",
">\n\nI think you are missing what I am saying. I fully agree that it wasn't necessary nor was it the right thing for Greta to do. I also agree that it just gives him attention and was overall a useless venture other for the entertainment of Tate haters.\nOP asked why it is okay. I stated that it isn't okay but that I understand why Greta took that road rather than the suggested non-offensive approach. It is because he's immune to it. What he isn't immune to is his masculinity and ego being questioned. What is the point of the Wolf continuing to blow on the brick house? None. To get to the scared little piggies inside he needs a jackhammer. \nAnd it worked exactly how she planned it to. He was rattled and anyone who hates Tate is amused. \nNot saying it's the right thing to do, nor do I want anyone to feel ashamed of the size of their penis.",
">\n\nOk.. thanks for elaborating on that. I misunderstood your comment as a disagreement and engaged to try and change your mind but seems we share the same view.",
">\n\nYou do not know what Greta is \"fully aware\" of. She is referring to character and behaviour, why are you taking this personally? She isn't speaking to you, hasn't seen you, doesn't know you. I don't know why you are externalizing your issue like this and waving it around in public, is it our responsibility to fix this for you?\nShe was just making a tiny joke. Relax. smalldickenergy @ getalife .com is hilarious.",
">\n\nAside from everything else, it's men who started the 'big dick energy' idiocy so to then complain when someone uses their own stupidity against them...",
">\n\nYeah because men are a monolith and we all meet in a room and know each other smh.",
">\n\nThey’re saying it’s offensive to more than just Andrew Tate",
">\n\nYeah but again, ISN'T THE PURPOSE",
">\n\nWhat do you mean again? You didn’t say that before. And why does the purpose matter? You can do a bad thing without meaning to.",
">\n\nI meant to say isn't that the purpose lol mb",
">\n\nOh lol I probably should have realized that. But I think the point of the insult was to offend Andrew Tate.",
">\n\nFair. Trying to not say anything about him one way or another so I don't get downvoted to hell.",
">\n\nGreta lost that argument. She literally has like a hundred things Tate has said and done she could attack. Easy target... The one thing she chose to do is to body shame the man. It's just name calling. It's not a refutation of Tate. If anything it makes her sound stupid for her inability to come up with a refutation.",
">\n\nExactly. But people are just cheering her on and laughing along without grasping the nuance of the situation.",
">\n\nI think you are kinda missing the point. People know it offensive. The issue is that they don't care.",
">\n\nPeople used to make fun of small tits all the time. Remember the 90s? Remember the itty bitty titty committee? I don't know if that's a thing any more, but skinny women with no butts are definitely not seen as attractive. It's not fair. It's not their fault. People need to stop shaming themselves and eachother, and accept all bodies. Until then, \"small dick energy\" won't cease to be an insult. I guess the difference is people are sort of \"punching up\" since it's always been people with dicks who have the power in this world. I've never heard a dude say that another dude has \"small dick energy.\" It's always a woman saying that. Either way I think it's dumb but I get it. I've always thought \"Karen\" was a dumb insult too. Not someone's fault they were named Karen, LOL.",
">\n\nAndrew insulted her. He was asking for this insult. She was totally in the right. She wasn’t trying to shame anyone else. You’re asking for this insult too.",
">\n\nIsn't it more offensive for small pp folk, that there is a guy who base his entire existence on top of an argument that being an alpha, prime male is the most important thing in the world, and you need to be a testosterone bomb gorilla to have any kind of value. Isn't that argument disregards small dick guys in the first place?",
">\n\nAnd Greta just reinforced it with her reply. Do you see the problem now?\nEdit:replaced \"comment\" with \"reply\"",
">\n\nI believe I've already made a statement about what the problem is.",
">\n\nThen do you understand why Greta's reply is offensive and playing into Andrew Tate's hands?",
">\n\nLol this is twitter. There is no playing into each other's hands. Get outside.",
">\n\nOh look. Greta is human. Someone who spent a lot of her growing up time trying to educate people.\nIf she was in a bar and some doofus made a pass, she's just asserting herself. Age and context. Good on her.",
">\n\nIt is actually been studied. Men with small penises actually do have less energy- testosterone or something.",
">\n\nBeing offended by anything is each person's individual choice. If something is offensive to you, then simply choose to not be offended by it. It's truly that simple.",
">\n\nSo there is no such thing as hate speech?",
">\n\nNo, I didn't say that. Someone can certainly say something to someone that they hate with words that they feel will harm them mentally. That is \"hate speech\". The point I was trying to make is that we all as individuals have the choice to react to whatever someone says in whatever way we choose to react. If I feel offended by something that someone is saying, it is my choice to be offended by it.",
">\n\nI pretty much agree, but now we come to who decides. Does the person doing the talking decide whether it is hate speech? Or the person being talked at?",
">\n\nThere is no decision. The person who is talking thinks that what they are saying is not hateful, or they do. The person being talked at thinks that what the other person is saying is hateful, or they don't. The point is that it only matters if you make it matter to you. For example, if I say you are the dumbest person on earth, am I committing the crime of hate speech? Are you the dumbest person on earth? Probably not. But maybe I believe that you are. Does that make it true? If so, then it's not hate speech it's the truth...to me. If you, personally, believe that you are not the dumbest person on earth, then why would you concern yourself with what my dumbass has to say? To you, I'm the dumbest person on earth. I hope I'm getting my point across here.",
">\n\nSo we agree then? No laws regarding hate speech at all. You just ignore it and move on.",
">\n\nYes, sir.",
">\n\nYup",
">\n\nWhat if I say that I am offended that you are offended that you say \"small dick energy\" is offensive to men that are insecure about their size? Say I'm a man with a huge, massive dong. Say it's been a huge issue for me all my life. Let's say, hypothetically, that I am hugely insecure about the massive size of my dong and it's given me problems all my life. Every time I, hypothetically, go for a jog it's constantly flopping all over the place chaffing up my leg. Every time I have sex it's always this huge issue and only like half of the thing can go in before the receiver is like \"oh my god, stop, that's too much!\" Every time I receive oral sex, anything more than an inch beyond the tip causes a gag reflex. Does that sound exciting to you? Here you are bragging about your completely normal sized penis and all your normal sized penis sex and here this hypothetical person with a huge massive dong has all these issues. I can see how a hypothetical person with this debilitating issue would take offense that you take offense.",
">\n\nShe's an edgelord",
">\n\nreddit",
">\n\nSounds like a skill issue",
">\n\nDo you really get that offended? It's not like males themselves haven't sexualized females and their bodies and have said even worse and more common things about them? But we get offended over sum small? pun intended",
">\n\n“Some males have sexualized females therefore it’s fine for society to make fun of penis size.”",
">\n\nSociety? I don't see everyone (which represents society) doing it 😂 maybe you are focusing too much on negativity and that's all you see",
">\n\nSaying “small dick energy” is inherently a negative thing because it’s an insult. It also implies that there’s something bad about less endowed people because Tate is being compared to that demographic. \nWhen I say society, I mean that a decent percentage of people have “____ dick energy” built into their vocabulary to the point where the meaning of these terms is widely agreed on and it loses it’s direct connection to the penis. This doesn’t mean that the term is appropriate to use though since it originated from actual body shaming.",
">\n\nBattle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.",
">\n\nI think you should consider the situation at hand and less the use of insults as an absolute \nAndrew Tate absolutely deserves it",
">\n\nthe post its about the insult. \n\"Yeah I called this person a N... but lets focus on how bad that person is!!\"\nThe insult not only its very inflammatory (shows patriarcal estigmas,Its body shaming, reinforces toxic masculinity)\nIts also an extremely weak answer, its a groundless ad hominem. I would dare to argue the insult talks more about breta and his internalized toxic patriarcal estigmas than anything against tate."
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"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult.",
">\n\nIt's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh.",
">\n\nHonestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV",
">\n\nPeople can make mistakes and this was one of them.. so we can all just criticize her reply fairly and move on. No need for acute mental gymnastics to defend her as this comments section is showing lmao.",
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">\n\nI don't think anyone is arguing it's not offensive. I'm pretty sure she was trying to offend insecure men. Apparently with great success.",
">\n\nShe was trying to offend men who were insecure about their body image?\nHow is that not body shaming?",
">\n\nIt is, but we playing the avoidance and rationalization game",
">\n\nbecause women invented \"small dick energy\"\nharsh, sad. but we go jim🗿",
">\n\nOP never mentioned women tho. Post is strictly about why it's offensive. Do you disagree that it's not offensive or you think it's a trivial matter to make fun of that men's mental health doesn't matter as much?",
">\n\nThe female equivalent is\n\"Loose Pussy Energy\".\nThe typical man-hate hypocrisy commonly going around is beyond obvious. And it is an attack on All men and boys not just some.",
">\n\nNot a disagreement per se, but also worth noting that it’s transphobic. Which is to say, it insults all men by reinforcing patriarchy and punching down to two groups of men.",
">\n\nShe said small dick energy. Not that he had a small dick (though, come on). She used that phrase BECAUSE it's Tate. She's not a moron.\nHe is, as evidenced by his life to this point and his two responses to Thunberg, which were epically pathetic, is a moron and didn't seem to get it, though he doesn't get a lot.",
">\n\nThis is worse than saying he has a small dick, because how would she know, and that would just be dismissed as stupid.\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\nI can't understand the mental gymnastics some people are doing to try and say this isn't body shaming.",
">\n\n\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\n\nI mean yeah -- kind of like how pussy is an insult denoting cowardice, cunt is an insult meaning basically, terrible, etc., \nShe used that on purpose. Are you making CMV every time you see someone calling someone else a pussy?",
">\n\nPussy is kind of already known to be a shitty gendered insult so it doesn't need a CMV. In this case, Greta's gendered \"having a small penis is bad\" tweet is massively amplified, reached r/all on a shitload of subs, etc. so some discussion about whether or not that is cool is warranted",
">\n\nSmall dick energy isn’t about having a small dick tho. It’s a reflection of an attitude that men who are offensive, aggressive, nasty to people are overcompensating for their insecurities. A small dick doesn’t mean you won’t be able to find a partner or that you’re any less of a man. Being a downright trash bag of a human to others, like in this instance where an internet edgelord is cyber bullying a teenager on the internet who is fighting for the survival of our planet/humanity is an example of this trash behavior, is more of a determining factor. \nYou can also have a small dick but have big dick energy, as it’s reflective of who you are as a person. It’s an attitude. It’s who you choose to be to yourself and others. Hell, there’s women who use the term that they have big dick energy and I can tell you those women’s dicks are none existent so therefore size isn’t a thing. \nNo one should be made fun of for something they had no control over. The worth of a man is not tied to the size of his penis. Although, toxic masculinity and shallow people will tell you different. They say the same for disabled people, fat people etc. There’s plenty of people who are not “conventional standards of beauty” which is the majority of us, that lead happy, healthy relationships. Those relationships start with yourself and understanding your worth as a person isn’t tied to what you look like or how big your junk is. \nThe point is if you choose to be a trash person like Tate, where your self worth is tied into how cruel/offensive you can be to other people, don’t be mad if people call you out for that trashy attitude. Your post definitely reeks of “men are the true victims” when clearly you didn’t seem to have a problem with a grown man cyber bullying a teenager.",
">\n\nI like how you imply that OP is a fan of a literal human trafficker because they point out that a body-shaming insult is body-shaming. Do you understand why associating a trait of someone's body with negative personality traits is bad?",
">\n\nNo because people like this always have exceptions that allow them to use the things they complain about. Cognitive gymnastics allows them to recognise shaming women and people of colour is bad, because society will eat them otherwise, but when someone shows up who deserves a bit of a roasting all of their social etiquette rules go out the window and the excuses come out as to why in this context it doesn't count.\n\"Ahh no, here it is a reflection of an attitude\" blah blah 3 paragraphs later and we've clouded over the simple fact that body shaming is body shaming and harms people you weren't intending to insult.",
">\n\nPeople like this? You’re assuming things about me because I am a character in your mind not a real person. I am not a monolith. We should not be body shaming people. I am explaining the other side of this issue and why people use these terms. You never asked if I use these same terms in my life. You assumed I do. I don’t. You didn’t even bother to read my response because if you did you would have realized this.",
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">\n\nYou can have smol pp but big pp energy and vice versa",
">\n\nSo why is the phrase small dick energy if it has nothing to do with having a small dick?",
">\n\nIdk man, I just work here.",
">\n\nYou know why. Lol cause small dick is associated with bad. And by insulting dicks you use this knowledge to offend, at the cost of body shaming people. \nStop feigning dumb just to avoid the reasoning lol",
">\n\nI can see how it would be offensive, and I wouldn’t use it myself. I feel like the phrase refers more to how someone acts as opposed to how they are endowed. And how it’s behavior and actions that make people think down of you not your penis.",
">\n\nPoint is that we, as a society, should encourage better insults that attack the comments of the person without necessarily having to equate it to something someone with a small dick.",
">\n\nWould you agree with me, that if Andrew clapped back with one of those that the internet would be up in arms about it?",
">\n\nYou mean the way that you are, here, on the internet, up in arms?",
">\n\nIm one person on reddit, theres no major backlash like there would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\nSee, what's happening here is that you are also looking at people who are \"one person on Reddit\" and pretending it's a major backlash. Andrew Tate says fucked up things about women all the time (in fact, it's kind of his whole schtick) and it's as much of a non-event as this is.",
">\n\nPlease link me to something fucked up hes said about women, and ill agree with you, two wrongs don't make a right.",
">\n\nHere's exhibit A.",
">\n\nSure I agree with you he has said fucked up stuff about women, it doesn't mean its okay to make a joke about small dick energy.\nDo you understand my point?",
">\n\nWe understand, it's just that your point is fucking stupid",
">\n\nYou have no idea what his point is, it's funny that people on this thread OP and others actually like Andrew Tate.\nIt proves that everyone is completely frothingly tribalistic with zero nuance.",
">\n\nIf someone is behaving insufferably, people are going to laugh at them for things that they wouldn’t find funny if it happened to someone they liked.\nFor example, is it funny when people go bankrupt? No. Would it be funny if someone like Andrew Tate went bankrupt after boasting about Bugattis and all of his mass wealth? Yes. This doesn’t mean people who would make fun of him for that are making fun of poverty or all people who lose their livelihoods, it would just be funny if it happened to that particular person. \nIn the same way, the idea that Tate does all the douchey, over the top macho things that he does in order to compensate for having a small penis is funny, whilst it not being funny to make fun of every person who has a small penis.",
">\n\nSubstitute fat. Is that ok?",
">\n\nDepends on what the fat person is doing. If the person is minding their own business then no, if the fat person is attacking other people’s appearances then yeah go for it.",
">\n\nInteresting take. Might want to play with that a bit. A lot of situations where your reasoning falls apart.",
">\n\nPeople insulted Trump for being fat when he tried to say he was like the most fit person ever. People make fun of Elon Musk's body. You can make the same type of insult to two different people and it come off two different ways. \nWhen you make your identity or argument around something it opens up certain insults and comebacks. \nTate's whole thing is trying to act like this \"alpha male\" when in reality he's a sex trafficking weirdo who pays women to hang out with him. It's totally fine to insult him with a childish insult. \nI also find that people worried or mad about this don't actually care about body image issues. They just want a gotcha moment for people. Because many would have shitty takes about fat people or whine about pc culture.",
">\n\nWhen you call some MF that doesn't necessarily mean you are a MF... I'm not saying it's okay to say abusing words but we still do use them.\nI don't think she said it in literal terms, it was completely literary. Also she only said it cause it was Tate who she said it to. Also if a woman has small tits and someone said to someone else that they have small tits energy, I don't think one who actually has small tits would mind it, cause she is not involved and it's kinda perfect way of irritating Tate.. cause he really cares about these things. \nWhen it comes to increasing the insecurity of someone who actually has small D and is insecure about it... She couldn't think so far cause all she wanted was to irritate Tate and she was successful",
">\n\nI don't think it even irritated him if that was her goal but definitely helped him with popularity. It just proves what he says people think of insecure men, it just moves them to him and he gains more influence. It was an ignorant reply in poor taste. Someone with much following and influence as Greta shouldn't be as irresponsible and the followers shouldn't be having to do mental gymnastics to defend her instead of seeing it as it is: body shaming against men.",
">\n\nIs this some kind of weird meta-game? Are Andrew Tate fans pretending to actually be offended by this stupid insult to prove a point? Does anybody actually think her retort was any sharper than a brick wrapped in a wet blanket?\nWhat is going on here?!",
">\n\n\nWhat is going on here?!\n\nAndrew Tate fans have a lot of small dick energy. That's whats going on.",
">\n\nWhy are people not allowed dislike tate (he's an absolute idiot and a grifter) and also to criticize obvious body shaming from a supposed progressive? If Biden started talking about \"N*gger energy\" criticizing Kanye for antisemitism, would that be ok in your eyes? Would you say that a black guy who doesn't like that must be an angry Kanye fan? Or is it disgustingly offensive towards all African Americans to use that type of language no matter what?",
">\n\nBecause it suits their narrative to frame it as if people are just defending tate. It's easier than just actually defending body shaming. Done deal.",
">\n\nI think Greta used that phrase not because she actually believes or wants to promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior, but because people like Andrew Tate believe and promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior. If Andrew Tate gets hurt because Greta says he has small dick energy, then maybe -- just maybe, with the tiniest bit of introspection -- he'll come to realize how hateful some of his language is.\nBullies like Andrew Tate don't really respond to logic or pleas for sympathy. The only way to maybe make them understand the hurt they cause is to inflict it on them, because they don't care about anyone but themselves. \nSo instead of putting the cart before the horse and blaming Greta for using an offensive phrase as an argumentative tactic, maybe blame the people who use the phrase to actually demean people.",
">\n\nCan we substitute fat instead and be justified?",
">\n\nYes people did that with Trump when he claimed to be the fittest person ever basically. If someone has a habit of insulting people a certain way or making certain claims then they open themselves up to specific insults. \nSometimes we'd find those insults not tasteful if said to other people. But I feel like most people equating this to fat insults don't actually care about fat people. A lot of people would also be like oh things are getting too pc or soft or woke when it comes to body positivity towards fat people. So for me it's hard to buy this line of reasoning as being truly valid or caring.",
">\n\nNo one said it has to be authentic caring. This sub is for exploring the intellectual arguments. Your perception of how authentic someone’s feelings towards fat people is basically irrelevant. Argue the point or don’t. Passing your authenticity test is a wierd standard to try to argue for.",
">\n\nSorry, u/AlternativeFukts – your comment has been removed for breaking Rule 5: \n\nComments must contribute meaningfully to the conversation. \n\nComments should be on-topic, serious, and contain enough content to move the discussion forward. Jokes, contradictions without explanation, links without context, off-topic comments, and \"written upvotes\" will be removed. Read the wiki for more information. \nIf you would like to appeal, review our appeals process here, then message the moderators by clicking this link within one week of this notice being posted.",
">\n\nYes, making insults is offensive. That's the point.\nInsults that reference a body part are also offensive to people who are insecure about that body part. That's also kinda obvious.\nWhat do you want your mind changed about here? I'm unclear about what you think can be discussed about an insult meant to be insulting. Are you arguing that this insult is especially wrong in some way?\nHow is this not just you soapboxing?",
">\n\nThere's a reason as a society we don't use insults like \"retard\". This is in the same vein. You're attributing a negative thing with a man having a small penis. This is harmful as it perpetuates the stigma surrounding penis size which is outside ones control. Essentially it degrades a group of people who have nothing to do with it. OP wants to know whether or not this is reconciled. Reading the comments... It has not been. \nMaking gendered insults doesn't bother me truthfully but I can understand the frustration OP is expressing because were it to be a man making some edgy reference to a woman's lady parts being inadequate as a way to demean them then everyone would be outraged as opposed to cheering it on.",
">\n\nUsing “small dick” as an insult, or “loose pussy” isn’t really offensive unless you are insecure about the physical viability of your reproductive organs. \nBut, that doesn’t make it funny. It’s a really juvenile and uncreative way of ridiculing someone.",
">\n\nInsecure women are offended when they're fat shamed.\nIt's still body shaming.\nIt's still wrong.",
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">\n\nGuy randomly decides to flex on her by saying I HAVE CARS AND I LIKE TO GO VROOOOM. It's like when Piers decides that it's absolutely important to eat meat in front of vegans. It's not about penis size. It's just that smalldickenergy is a perfect explanation of why would someone decide to behave like this.",
">\n\nShe is 19. Maybe in a few years she will have more mature insults. It’s a lot of pressure to be put on someone so young to also say the perfect thing all the time",
">\n\nUnder nearly all circumstances, I agree with you.\nHowever, for a lot of people who have built a cult of personality around any given ideal, insults of the inoffensive type are completely commonplace. All they have to do is fend off one or two instances of this PG rated attacks, strawman them, call them snowflakes, and their following is bolstered and enhanced. Instead of having any negative effect, it becomes part of their inherent power.\nSometimes if you want to rattle a cult leader you have to hit with precision their most critical weakness and watch them implode. The fact that Tate is squirming so hard and doing everything he can to reclaim some of his dignity after Greta's clapback means that she has his number. Great isn't saying that having a small dick is bad, but knowing that Tate's entire personality is built about being an alpha male and that calling into question the size of his member will hurt him the most is what she was after. \nOf course, it wasn't classy and could be offensive to some. But as the saying goes, sometimes you have to fight fire with fire.",
">\n\nReally is he squirming? \nHe's rich he's popular and now he's gotten someone he disagrees with to repeat his ideology and platform spreading it to a wider audience. \nI'd argue he's happy for the attention and popularity that she's given to him now and enjoying the increased sales in his business as more men who feel marginalized and left out join him seeing this hypocrisy playing out. Not to mention all the political players( internationally) who were against climate action seeing all this and aligning themselves appropriately, possibly propping him up and making him something more than what he actually is- An ignorant troll. \nEngage with a troll and you only give them more power. The tweet was dumb and people should know better.\nEdit: spacing",
">\n\nI'm not commenting on whether or not his fans will like him more or if the controversy will inadvertently grant him a wider audience. \nI'm commenting that Greta knew exactly where and how to hit him the hardest. Yes, he is definitely squirming. He has scrambled out half a dozen prepubescent \"I know you are but what am I\" tweets. Then he went and made the absolute cringiest response video. He's incensed by being talked down to by Greta and is overcompensating. \nDid her tweet have any net positive effect on society? No. Did it ruffle Tate's feathers and make his blood boil? Yea. Would he have even cared if she called him a misogynistic prick? Absolutely not. He would have just told her to sit down and shut up, that misogyny is made up by inferior women blah blah blah...\nInstead, his insecurities are eating him alive.",
">\n\nWhy even respond and give him attention that he so desperately craves? And why body shame men in the process? \nIf she didn't have a better insult she could have just went on with her life instead of helping him grow. Using \"small dick energy\" as an insult means implicitly we agree that people with small penises are inferior and undesirable. That's basically what Tate is on about ( Toxic masculinity). And by laughing at her tweet we all reinforce that perception. Do you get that? \nSick of double standards and hypocrisy. At least people should have the courage to own up and acknowledge it then move on instead of doubling down and performing mental gymnastics to justify an obvious case of body shaming.\nI agree with you on one thing that the net effect on society because of this tweet exchange is negative and only serves the people who Greta and her followers hate.",
">\n\nI think you are missing what I am saying. I fully agree that it wasn't necessary nor was it the right thing for Greta to do. I also agree that it just gives him attention and was overall a useless venture other for the entertainment of Tate haters.\nOP asked why it is okay. I stated that it isn't okay but that I understand why Greta took that road rather than the suggested non-offensive approach. It is because he's immune to it. What he isn't immune to is his masculinity and ego being questioned. What is the point of the Wolf continuing to blow on the brick house? None. To get to the scared little piggies inside he needs a jackhammer. \nAnd it worked exactly how she planned it to. He was rattled and anyone who hates Tate is amused. \nNot saying it's the right thing to do, nor do I want anyone to feel ashamed of the size of their penis.",
">\n\nOk.. thanks for elaborating on that. I misunderstood your comment as a disagreement and engaged to try and change your mind but seems we share the same view.",
">\n\nYou do not know what Greta is \"fully aware\" of. She is referring to character and behaviour, why are you taking this personally? She isn't speaking to you, hasn't seen you, doesn't know you. I don't know why you are externalizing your issue like this and waving it around in public, is it our responsibility to fix this for you?\nShe was just making a tiny joke. Relax. smalldickenergy @ getalife .com is hilarious.",
">\n\nAside from everything else, it's men who started the 'big dick energy' idiocy so to then complain when someone uses their own stupidity against them...",
">\n\nYeah because men are a monolith and we all meet in a room and know each other smh.",
">\n\nThey’re saying it’s offensive to more than just Andrew Tate",
">\n\nYeah but again, ISN'T THE PURPOSE",
">\n\nWhat do you mean again? You didn’t say that before. And why does the purpose matter? You can do a bad thing without meaning to.",
">\n\nI meant to say isn't that the purpose lol mb",
">\n\nOh lol I probably should have realized that. But I think the point of the insult was to offend Andrew Tate.",
">\n\nFair. Trying to not say anything about him one way or another so I don't get downvoted to hell.",
">\n\nGreta lost that argument. She literally has like a hundred things Tate has said and done she could attack. Easy target... The one thing she chose to do is to body shame the man. It's just name calling. It's not a refutation of Tate. If anything it makes her sound stupid for her inability to come up with a refutation.",
">\n\nExactly. But people are just cheering her on and laughing along without grasping the nuance of the situation.",
">\n\nI think you are kinda missing the point. People know it offensive. The issue is that they don't care.",
">\n\nPeople used to make fun of small tits all the time. Remember the 90s? Remember the itty bitty titty committee? I don't know if that's a thing any more, but skinny women with no butts are definitely not seen as attractive. It's not fair. It's not their fault. People need to stop shaming themselves and eachother, and accept all bodies. Until then, \"small dick energy\" won't cease to be an insult. I guess the difference is people are sort of \"punching up\" since it's always been people with dicks who have the power in this world. I've never heard a dude say that another dude has \"small dick energy.\" It's always a woman saying that. Either way I think it's dumb but I get it. I've always thought \"Karen\" was a dumb insult too. Not someone's fault they were named Karen, LOL.",
">\n\nAndrew insulted her. He was asking for this insult. She was totally in the right. She wasn’t trying to shame anyone else. You’re asking for this insult too.",
">\n\nIsn't it more offensive for small pp folk, that there is a guy who base his entire existence on top of an argument that being an alpha, prime male is the most important thing in the world, and you need to be a testosterone bomb gorilla to have any kind of value. Isn't that argument disregards small dick guys in the first place?",
">\n\nAnd Greta just reinforced it with her reply. Do you see the problem now?\nEdit:replaced \"comment\" with \"reply\"",
">\n\nI believe I've already made a statement about what the problem is.",
">\n\nThen do you understand why Greta's reply is offensive and playing into Andrew Tate's hands?",
">\n\nLol this is twitter. There is no playing into each other's hands. Get outside.",
">\n\nOh look. Greta is human. Someone who spent a lot of her growing up time trying to educate people.\nIf she was in a bar and some doofus made a pass, she's just asserting herself. Age and context. Good on her.",
">\n\nIt is actually been studied. Men with small penises actually do have less energy- testosterone or something.",
">\n\nBeing offended by anything is each person's individual choice. If something is offensive to you, then simply choose to not be offended by it. It's truly that simple.",
">\n\nSo there is no such thing as hate speech?",
">\n\nNo, I didn't say that. Someone can certainly say something to someone that they hate with words that they feel will harm them mentally. That is \"hate speech\". The point I was trying to make is that we all as individuals have the choice to react to whatever someone says in whatever way we choose to react. If I feel offended by something that someone is saying, it is my choice to be offended by it.",
">\n\nI pretty much agree, but now we come to who decides. Does the person doing the talking decide whether it is hate speech? Or the person being talked at?",
">\n\nThere is no decision. The person who is talking thinks that what they are saying is not hateful, or they do. The person being talked at thinks that what the other person is saying is hateful, or they don't. The point is that it only matters if you make it matter to you. For example, if I say you are the dumbest person on earth, am I committing the crime of hate speech? Are you the dumbest person on earth? Probably not. But maybe I believe that you are. Does that make it true? If so, then it's not hate speech it's the truth...to me. If you, personally, believe that you are not the dumbest person on earth, then why would you concern yourself with what my dumbass has to say? To you, I'm the dumbest person on earth. I hope I'm getting my point across here.",
">\n\nSo we agree then? No laws regarding hate speech at all. You just ignore it and move on.",
">\n\nYes, sir.",
">\n\nYup",
">\n\nWhat if I say that I am offended that you are offended that you say \"small dick energy\" is offensive to men that are insecure about their size? Say I'm a man with a huge, massive dong. Say it's been a huge issue for me all my life. Let's say, hypothetically, that I am hugely insecure about the massive size of my dong and it's given me problems all my life. Every time I, hypothetically, go for a jog it's constantly flopping all over the place chaffing up my leg. Every time I have sex it's always this huge issue and only like half of the thing can go in before the receiver is like \"oh my god, stop, that's too much!\" Every time I receive oral sex, anything more than an inch beyond the tip causes a gag reflex. Does that sound exciting to you? Here you are bragging about your completely normal sized penis and all your normal sized penis sex and here this hypothetical person with a huge massive dong has all these issues. I can see how a hypothetical person with this debilitating issue would take offense that you take offense.",
">\n\nShe's an edgelord",
">\n\nreddit",
">\n\nSounds like a skill issue",
">\n\nDo you really get that offended? It's not like males themselves haven't sexualized females and their bodies and have said even worse and more common things about them? But we get offended over sum small? pun intended",
">\n\n“Some males have sexualized females therefore it’s fine for society to make fun of penis size.”",
">\n\nSociety? I don't see everyone (which represents society) doing it 😂 maybe you are focusing too much on negativity and that's all you see",
">\n\nSaying “small dick energy” is inherently a negative thing because it’s an insult. It also implies that there’s something bad about less endowed people because Tate is being compared to that demographic. \nWhen I say society, I mean that a decent percentage of people have “____ dick energy” built into their vocabulary to the point where the meaning of these terms is widely agreed on and it loses it’s direct connection to the penis. This doesn’t mean that the term is appropriate to use though since it originated from actual body shaming.",
">\n\nBattle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.",
">\n\nI think you should consider the situation at hand and less the use of insults as an absolute \nAndrew Tate absolutely deserves it",
">\n\nthe post its about the insult. \n\"Yeah I called this person a N... but lets focus on how bad that person is!!\"\nThe insult not only its very inflammatory (shows patriarcal estigmas,Its body shaming, reinforces toxic masculinity)\nIts also an extremely weak answer, its a groundless ad hominem. I would dare to argue the insult talks more about breta and his internalized toxic patriarcal estigmas than anything against tate.",
">\n\nGreta didn't start this. He was harassing her."
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So, in your opinion, Greta would have insulted him whether he had harassed her first, or not?
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"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult.",
">\n\nIt's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh.",
">\n\nHonestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV",
">\n\nPeople can make mistakes and this was one of them.. so we can all just criticize her reply fairly and move on. No need for acute mental gymnastics to defend her as this comments section is showing lmao.",
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">\n\nI don't think anyone is arguing it's not offensive. I'm pretty sure she was trying to offend insecure men. Apparently with great success.",
">\n\nShe was trying to offend men who were insecure about their body image?\nHow is that not body shaming?",
">\n\nIt is, but we playing the avoidance and rationalization game",
">\n\nbecause women invented \"small dick energy\"\nharsh, sad. but we go jim🗿",
">\n\nOP never mentioned women tho. Post is strictly about why it's offensive. Do you disagree that it's not offensive or you think it's a trivial matter to make fun of that men's mental health doesn't matter as much?",
">\n\nThe female equivalent is\n\"Loose Pussy Energy\".\nThe typical man-hate hypocrisy commonly going around is beyond obvious. And it is an attack on All men and boys not just some.",
">\n\nNot a disagreement per se, but also worth noting that it’s transphobic. Which is to say, it insults all men by reinforcing patriarchy and punching down to two groups of men.",
">\n\nShe said small dick energy. Not that he had a small dick (though, come on). She used that phrase BECAUSE it's Tate. She's not a moron.\nHe is, as evidenced by his life to this point and his two responses to Thunberg, which were epically pathetic, is a moron and didn't seem to get it, though he doesn't get a lot.",
">\n\nThis is worse than saying he has a small dick, because how would she know, and that would just be dismissed as stupid.\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\nI can't understand the mental gymnastics some people are doing to try and say this isn't body shaming.",
">\n\n\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\n\nI mean yeah -- kind of like how pussy is an insult denoting cowardice, cunt is an insult meaning basically, terrible, etc., \nShe used that on purpose. Are you making CMV every time you see someone calling someone else a pussy?",
">\n\nPussy is kind of already known to be a shitty gendered insult so it doesn't need a CMV. In this case, Greta's gendered \"having a small penis is bad\" tweet is massively amplified, reached r/all on a shitload of subs, etc. so some discussion about whether or not that is cool is warranted",
">\n\nSmall dick energy isn’t about having a small dick tho. It’s a reflection of an attitude that men who are offensive, aggressive, nasty to people are overcompensating for their insecurities. A small dick doesn’t mean you won’t be able to find a partner or that you’re any less of a man. Being a downright trash bag of a human to others, like in this instance where an internet edgelord is cyber bullying a teenager on the internet who is fighting for the survival of our planet/humanity is an example of this trash behavior, is more of a determining factor. \nYou can also have a small dick but have big dick energy, as it’s reflective of who you are as a person. It’s an attitude. It’s who you choose to be to yourself and others. Hell, there’s women who use the term that they have big dick energy and I can tell you those women’s dicks are none existent so therefore size isn’t a thing. \nNo one should be made fun of for something they had no control over. The worth of a man is not tied to the size of his penis. Although, toxic masculinity and shallow people will tell you different. They say the same for disabled people, fat people etc. There’s plenty of people who are not “conventional standards of beauty” which is the majority of us, that lead happy, healthy relationships. Those relationships start with yourself and understanding your worth as a person isn’t tied to what you look like or how big your junk is. \nThe point is if you choose to be a trash person like Tate, where your self worth is tied into how cruel/offensive you can be to other people, don’t be mad if people call you out for that trashy attitude. Your post definitely reeks of “men are the true victims” when clearly you didn’t seem to have a problem with a grown man cyber bullying a teenager.",
">\n\nI like how you imply that OP is a fan of a literal human trafficker because they point out that a body-shaming insult is body-shaming. Do you understand why associating a trait of someone's body with negative personality traits is bad?",
">\n\nNo because people like this always have exceptions that allow them to use the things they complain about. Cognitive gymnastics allows them to recognise shaming women and people of colour is bad, because society will eat them otherwise, but when someone shows up who deserves a bit of a roasting all of their social etiquette rules go out the window and the excuses come out as to why in this context it doesn't count.\n\"Ahh no, here it is a reflection of an attitude\" blah blah 3 paragraphs later and we've clouded over the simple fact that body shaming is body shaming and harms people you weren't intending to insult.",
">\n\nPeople like this? You’re assuming things about me because I am a character in your mind not a real person. I am not a monolith. We should not be body shaming people. I am explaining the other side of this issue and why people use these terms. You never asked if I use these same terms in my life. You assumed I do. I don’t. You didn’t even bother to read my response because if you did you would have realized this.",
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">\n\nYou can have smol pp but big pp energy and vice versa",
">\n\nSo why is the phrase small dick energy if it has nothing to do with having a small dick?",
">\n\nIdk man, I just work here.",
">\n\nYou know why. Lol cause small dick is associated with bad. And by insulting dicks you use this knowledge to offend, at the cost of body shaming people. \nStop feigning dumb just to avoid the reasoning lol",
">\n\nI can see how it would be offensive, and I wouldn’t use it myself. I feel like the phrase refers more to how someone acts as opposed to how they are endowed. And how it’s behavior and actions that make people think down of you not your penis.",
">\n\nPoint is that we, as a society, should encourage better insults that attack the comments of the person without necessarily having to equate it to something someone with a small dick.",
">\n\nWould you agree with me, that if Andrew clapped back with one of those that the internet would be up in arms about it?",
">\n\nYou mean the way that you are, here, on the internet, up in arms?",
">\n\nIm one person on reddit, theres no major backlash like there would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\nSee, what's happening here is that you are also looking at people who are \"one person on Reddit\" and pretending it's a major backlash. Andrew Tate says fucked up things about women all the time (in fact, it's kind of his whole schtick) and it's as much of a non-event as this is.",
">\n\nPlease link me to something fucked up hes said about women, and ill agree with you, two wrongs don't make a right.",
">\n\nHere's exhibit A.",
">\n\nSure I agree with you he has said fucked up stuff about women, it doesn't mean its okay to make a joke about small dick energy.\nDo you understand my point?",
">\n\nWe understand, it's just that your point is fucking stupid",
">\n\nYou have no idea what his point is, it's funny that people on this thread OP and others actually like Andrew Tate.\nIt proves that everyone is completely frothingly tribalistic with zero nuance.",
">\n\nIf someone is behaving insufferably, people are going to laugh at them for things that they wouldn’t find funny if it happened to someone they liked.\nFor example, is it funny when people go bankrupt? No. Would it be funny if someone like Andrew Tate went bankrupt after boasting about Bugattis and all of his mass wealth? Yes. This doesn’t mean people who would make fun of him for that are making fun of poverty or all people who lose their livelihoods, it would just be funny if it happened to that particular person. \nIn the same way, the idea that Tate does all the douchey, over the top macho things that he does in order to compensate for having a small penis is funny, whilst it not being funny to make fun of every person who has a small penis.",
">\n\nSubstitute fat. Is that ok?",
">\n\nDepends on what the fat person is doing. If the person is minding their own business then no, if the fat person is attacking other people’s appearances then yeah go for it.",
">\n\nInteresting take. Might want to play with that a bit. A lot of situations where your reasoning falls apart.",
">\n\nPeople insulted Trump for being fat when he tried to say he was like the most fit person ever. People make fun of Elon Musk's body. You can make the same type of insult to two different people and it come off two different ways. \nWhen you make your identity or argument around something it opens up certain insults and comebacks. \nTate's whole thing is trying to act like this \"alpha male\" when in reality he's a sex trafficking weirdo who pays women to hang out with him. It's totally fine to insult him with a childish insult. \nI also find that people worried or mad about this don't actually care about body image issues. They just want a gotcha moment for people. Because many would have shitty takes about fat people or whine about pc culture.",
">\n\nWhen you call some MF that doesn't necessarily mean you are a MF... I'm not saying it's okay to say abusing words but we still do use them.\nI don't think she said it in literal terms, it was completely literary. Also she only said it cause it was Tate who she said it to. Also if a woman has small tits and someone said to someone else that they have small tits energy, I don't think one who actually has small tits would mind it, cause she is not involved and it's kinda perfect way of irritating Tate.. cause he really cares about these things. \nWhen it comes to increasing the insecurity of someone who actually has small D and is insecure about it... She couldn't think so far cause all she wanted was to irritate Tate and she was successful",
">\n\nI don't think it even irritated him if that was her goal but definitely helped him with popularity. It just proves what he says people think of insecure men, it just moves them to him and he gains more influence. It was an ignorant reply in poor taste. Someone with much following and influence as Greta shouldn't be as irresponsible and the followers shouldn't be having to do mental gymnastics to defend her instead of seeing it as it is: body shaming against men.",
">\n\nIs this some kind of weird meta-game? Are Andrew Tate fans pretending to actually be offended by this stupid insult to prove a point? Does anybody actually think her retort was any sharper than a brick wrapped in a wet blanket?\nWhat is going on here?!",
">\n\n\nWhat is going on here?!\n\nAndrew Tate fans have a lot of small dick energy. That's whats going on.",
">\n\nWhy are people not allowed dislike tate (he's an absolute idiot and a grifter) and also to criticize obvious body shaming from a supposed progressive? If Biden started talking about \"N*gger energy\" criticizing Kanye for antisemitism, would that be ok in your eyes? Would you say that a black guy who doesn't like that must be an angry Kanye fan? Or is it disgustingly offensive towards all African Americans to use that type of language no matter what?",
">\n\nBecause it suits their narrative to frame it as if people are just defending tate. It's easier than just actually defending body shaming. Done deal.",
">\n\nI think Greta used that phrase not because she actually believes or wants to promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior, but because people like Andrew Tate believe and promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior. If Andrew Tate gets hurt because Greta says he has small dick energy, then maybe -- just maybe, with the tiniest bit of introspection -- he'll come to realize how hateful some of his language is.\nBullies like Andrew Tate don't really respond to logic or pleas for sympathy. The only way to maybe make them understand the hurt they cause is to inflict it on them, because they don't care about anyone but themselves. \nSo instead of putting the cart before the horse and blaming Greta for using an offensive phrase as an argumentative tactic, maybe blame the people who use the phrase to actually demean people.",
">\n\nCan we substitute fat instead and be justified?",
">\n\nYes people did that with Trump when he claimed to be the fittest person ever basically. If someone has a habit of insulting people a certain way or making certain claims then they open themselves up to specific insults. \nSometimes we'd find those insults not tasteful if said to other people. But I feel like most people equating this to fat insults don't actually care about fat people. A lot of people would also be like oh things are getting too pc or soft or woke when it comes to body positivity towards fat people. So for me it's hard to buy this line of reasoning as being truly valid or caring.",
">\n\nNo one said it has to be authentic caring. This sub is for exploring the intellectual arguments. Your perception of how authentic someone’s feelings towards fat people is basically irrelevant. Argue the point or don’t. Passing your authenticity test is a wierd standard to try to argue for.",
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">\n\nYes, making insults is offensive. That's the point.\nInsults that reference a body part are also offensive to people who are insecure about that body part. That's also kinda obvious.\nWhat do you want your mind changed about here? I'm unclear about what you think can be discussed about an insult meant to be insulting. Are you arguing that this insult is especially wrong in some way?\nHow is this not just you soapboxing?",
">\n\nThere's a reason as a society we don't use insults like \"retard\". This is in the same vein. You're attributing a negative thing with a man having a small penis. This is harmful as it perpetuates the stigma surrounding penis size which is outside ones control. Essentially it degrades a group of people who have nothing to do with it. OP wants to know whether or not this is reconciled. Reading the comments... It has not been. \nMaking gendered insults doesn't bother me truthfully but I can understand the frustration OP is expressing because were it to be a man making some edgy reference to a woman's lady parts being inadequate as a way to demean them then everyone would be outraged as opposed to cheering it on.",
">\n\nUsing “small dick” as an insult, or “loose pussy” isn’t really offensive unless you are insecure about the physical viability of your reproductive organs. \nBut, that doesn’t make it funny. It’s a really juvenile and uncreative way of ridiculing someone.",
">\n\nInsecure women are offended when they're fat shamed.\nIt's still body shaming.\nIt's still wrong.",
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">\n\nGuy randomly decides to flex on her by saying I HAVE CARS AND I LIKE TO GO VROOOOM. It's like when Piers decides that it's absolutely important to eat meat in front of vegans. It's not about penis size. It's just that smalldickenergy is a perfect explanation of why would someone decide to behave like this.",
">\n\nShe is 19. Maybe in a few years she will have more mature insults. It’s a lot of pressure to be put on someone so young to also say the perfect thing all the time",
">\n\nUnder nearly all circumstances, I agree with you.\nHowever, for a lot of people who have built a cult of personality around any given ideal, insults of the inoffensive type are completely commonplace. All they have to do is fend off one or two instances of this PG rated attacks, strawman them, call them snowflakes, and their following is bolstered and enhanced. Instead of having any negative effect, it becomes part of their inherent power.\nSometimes if you want to rattle a cult leader you have to hit with precision their most critical weakness and watch them implode. The fact that Tate is squirming so hard and doing everything he can to reclaim some of his dignity after Greta's clapback means that she has his number. Great isn't saying that having a small dick is bad, but knowing that Tate's entire personality is built about being an alpha male and that calling into question the size of his member will hurt him the most is what she was after. \nOf course, it wasn't classy and could be offensive to some. But as the saying goes, sometimes you have to fight fire with fire.",
">\n\nReally is he squirming? \nHe's rich he's popular and now he's gotten someone he disagrees with to repeat his ideology and platform spreading it to a wider audience. \nI'd argue he's happy for the attention and popularity that she's given to him now and enjoying the increased sales in his business as more men who feel marginalized and left out join him seeing this hypocrisy playing out. Not to mention all the political players( internationally) who were against climate action seeing all this and aligning themselves appropriately, possibly propping him up and making him something more than what he actually is- An ignorant troll. \nEngage with a troll and you only give them more power. The tweet was dumb and people should know better.\nEdit: spacing",
">\n\nI'm not commenting on whether or not his fans will like him more or if the controversy will inadvertently grant him a wider audience. \nI'm commenting that Greta knew exactly where and how to hit him the hardest. Yes, he is definitely squirming. He has scrambled out half a dozen prepubescent \"I know you are but what am I\" tweets. Then he went and made the absolute cringiest response video. He's incensed by being talked down to by Greta and is overcompensating. \nDid her tweet have any net positive effect on society? No. Did it ruffle Tate's feathers and make his blood boil? Yea. Would he have even cared if she called him a misogynistic prick? Absolutely not. He would have just told her to sit down and shut up, that misogyny is made up by inferior women blah blah blah...\nInstead, his insecurities are eating him alive.",
">\n\nWhy even respond and give him attention that he so desperately craves? And why body shame men in the process? \nIf she didn't have a better insult she could have just went on with her life instead of helping him grow. Using \"small dick energy\" as an insult means implicitly we agree that people with small penises are inferior and undesirable. That's basically what Tate is on about ( Toxic masculinity). And by laughing at her tweet we all reinforce that perception. Do you get that? \nSick of double standards and hypocrisy. At least people should have the courage to own up and acknowledge it then move on instead of doubling down and performing mental gymnastics to justify an obvious case of body shaming.\nI agree with you on one thing that the net effect on society because of this tweet exchange is negative and only serves the people who Greta and her followers hate.",
">\n\nI think you are missing what I am saying. I fully agree that it wasn't necessary nor was it the right thing for Greta to do. I also agree that it just gives him attention and was overall a useless venture other for the entertainment of Tate haters.\nOP asked why it is okay. I stated that it isn't okay but that I understand why Greta took that road rather than the suggested non-offensive approach. It is because he's immune to it. What he isn't immune to is his masculinity and ego being questioned. What is the point of the Wolf continuing to blow on the brick house? None. To get to the scared little piggies inside he needs a jackhammer. \nAnd it worked exactly how she planned it to. He was rattled and anyone who hates Tate is amused. \nNot saying it's the right thing to do, nor do I want anyone to feel ashamed of the size of their penis.",
">\n\nOk.. thanks for elaborating on that. I misunderstood your comment as a disagreement and engaged to try and change your mind but seems we share the same view.",
">\n\nYou do not know what Greta is \"fully aware\" of. She is referring to character and behaviour, why are you taking this personally? She isn't speaking to you, hasn't seen you, doesn't know you. I don't know why you are externalizing your issue like this and waving it around in public, is it our responsibility to fix this for you?\nShe was just making a tiny joke. Relax. smalldickenergy @ getalife .com is hilarious.",
">\n\nAside from everything else, it's men who started the 'big dick energy' idiocy so to then complain when someone uses their own stupidity against them...",
">\n\nYeah because men are a monolith and we all meet in a room and know each other smh.",
">\n\nThey’re saying it’s offensive to more than just Andrew Tate",
">\n\nYeah but again, ISN'T THE PURPOSE",
">\n\nWhat do you mean again? You didn’t say that before. And why does the purpose matter? You can do a bad thing without meaning to.",
">\n\nI meant to say isn't that the purpose lol mb",
">\n\nOh lol I probably should have realized that. But I think the point of the insult was to offend Andrew Tate.",
">\n\nFair. Trying to not say anything about him one way or another so I don't get downvoted to hell.",
">\n\nGreta lost that argument. She literally has like a hundred things Tate has said and done she could attack. Easy target... The one thing she chose to do is to body shame the man. It's just name calling. It's not a refutation of Tate. If anything it makes her sound stupid for her inability to come up with a refutation.",
">\n\nExactly. But people are just cheering her on and laughing along without grasping the nuance of the situation.",
">\n\nI think you are kinda missing the point. People know it offensive. The issue is that they don't care.",
">\n\nPeople used to make fun of small tits all the time. Remember the 90s? Remember the itty bitty titty committee? I don't know if that's a thing any more, but skinny women with no butts are definitely not seen as attractive. It's not fair. It's not their fault. People need to stop shaming themselves and eachother, and accept all bodies. Until then, \"small dick energy\" won't cease to be an insult. I guess the difference is people are sort of \"punching up\" since it's always been people with dicks who have the power in this world. I've never heard a dude say that another dude has \"small dick energy.\" It's always a woman saying that. Either way I think it's dumb but I get it. I've always thought \"Karen\" was a dumb insult too. Not someone's fault they were named Karen, LOL.",
">\n\nAndrew insulted her. He was asking for this insult. She was totally in the right. She wasn’t trying to shame anyone else. You’re asking for this insult too.",
">\n\nIsn't it more offensive for small pp folk, that there is a guy who base his entire existence on top of an argument that being an alpha, prime male is the most important thing in the world, and you need to be a testosterone bomb gorilla to have any kind of value. Isn't that argument disregards small dick guys in the first place?",
">\n\nAnd Greta just reinforced it with her reply. Do you see the problem now?\nEdit:replaced \"comment\" with \"reply\"",
">\n\nI believe I've already made a statement about what the problem is.",
">\n\nThen do you understand why Greta's reply is offensive and playing into Andrew Tate's hands?",
">\n\nLol this is twitter. There is no playing into each other's hands. Get outside.",
">\n\nOh look. Greta is human. Someone who spent a lot of her growing up time trying to educate people.\nIf she was in a bar and some doofus made a pass, she's just asserting herself. Age and context. Good on her.",
">\n\nIt is actually been studied. Men with small penises actually do have less energy- testosterone or something.",
">\n\nBeing offended by anything is each person's individual choice. If something is offensive to you, then simply choose to not be offended by it. It's truly that simple.",
">\n\nSo there is no such thing as hate speech?",
">\n\nNo, I didn't say that. Someone can certainly say something to someone that they hate with words that they feel will harm them mentally. That is \"hate speech\". The point I was trying to make is that we all as individuals have the choice to react to whatever someone says in whatever way we choose to react. If I feel offended by something that someone is saying, it is my choice to be offended by it.",
">\n\nI pretty much agree, but now we come to who decides. Does the person doing the talking decide whether it is hate speech? Or the person being talked at?",
">\n\nThere is no decision. The person who is talking thinks that what they are saying is not hateful, or they do. The person being talked at thinks that what the other person is saying is hateful, or they don't. The point is that it only matters if you make it matter to you. For example, if I say you are the dumbest person on earth, am I committing the crime of hate speech? Are you the dumbest person on earth? Probably not. But maybe I believe that you are. Does that make it true? If so, then it's not hate speech it's the truth...to me. If you, personally, believe that you are not the dumbest person on earth, then why would you concern yourself with what my dumbass has to say? To you, I'm the dumbest person on earth. I hope I'm getting my point across here.",
">\n\nSo we agree then? No laws regarding hate speech at all. You just ignore it and move on.",
">\n\nYes, sir.",
">\n\nYup",
">\n\nWhat if I say that I am offended that you are offended that you say \"small dick energy\" is offensive to men that are insecure about their size? Say I'm a man with a huge, massive dong. Say it's been a huge issue for me all my life. Let's say, hypothetically, that I am hugely insecure about the massive size of my dong and it's given me problems all my life. Every time I, hypothetically, go for a jog it's constantly flopping all over the place chaffing up my leg. Every time I have sex it's always this huge issue and only like half of the thing can go in before the receiver is like \"oh my god, stop, that's too much!\" Every time I receive oral sex, anything more than an inch beyond the tip causes a gag reflex. Does that sound exciting to you? Here you are bragging about your completely normal sized penis and all your normal sized penis sex and here this hypothetical person with a huge massive dong has all these issues. I can see how a hypothetical person with this debilitating issue would take offense that you take offense.",
">\n\nShe's an edgelord",
">\n\nreddit",
">\n\nSounds like a skill issue",
">\n\nDo you really get that offended? It's not like males themselves haven't sexualized females and their bodies and have said even worse and more common things about them? But we get offended over sum small? pun intended",
">\n\n“Some males have sexualized females therefore it’s fine for society to make fun of penis size.”",
">\n\nSociety? I don't see everyone (which represents society) doing it 😂 maybe you are focusing too much on negativity and that's all you see",
">\n\nSaying “small dick energy” is inherently a negative thing because it’s an insult. It also implies that there’s something bad about less endowed people because Tate is being compared to that demographic. \nWhen I say society, I mean that a decent percentage of people have “____ dick energy” built into their vocabulary to the point where the meaning of these terms is widely agreed on and it loses it’s direct connection to the penis. This doesn’t mean that the term is appropriate to use though since it originated from actual body shaming.",
">\n\nBattle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.",
">\n\nI think you should consider the situation at hand and less the use of insults as an absolute \nAndrew Tate absolutely deserves it",
">\n\nthe post its about the insult. \n\"Yeah I called this person a N... but lets focus on how bad that person is!!\"\nThe insult not only its very inflammatory (shows patriarcal estigmas,Its body shaming, reinforces toxic masculinity)\nIts also an extremely weak answer, its a groundless ad hominem. I would dare to argue the insult talks more about breta and his internalized toxic patriarcal estigmas than anything against tate.",
">\n\nGreta didn't start this. He was harassing her.",
">\n\n\"He started it\" -That's a toddler's excuse lmao"
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Her insulting him isn't the problem here. Its how she insulted him that's problematic.
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"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult.",
">\n\nIt's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh.",
">\n\nHonestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV",
">\n\nPeople can make mistakes and this was one of them.. so we can all just criticize her reply fairly and move on. No need for acute mental gymnastics to defend her as this comments section is showing lmao.",
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">\n\nI don't think anyone is arguing it's not offensive. I'm pretty sure she was trying to offend insecure men. Apparently with great success.",
">\n\nShe was trying to offend men who were insecure about their body image?\nHow is that not body shaming?",
">\n\nIt is, but we playing the avoidance and rationalization game",
">\n\nbecause women invented \"small dick energy\"\nharsh, sad. but we go jim🗿",
">\n\nOP never mentioned women tho. Post is strictly about why it's offensive. Do you disagree that it's not offensive or you think it's a trivial matter to make fun of that men's mental health doesn't matter as much?",
">\n\nThe female equivalent is\n\"Loose Pussy Energy\".\nThe typical man-hate hypocrisy commonly going around is beyond obvious. And it is an attack on All men and boys not just some.",
">\n\nNot a disagreement per se, but also worth noting that it’s transphobic. Which is to say, it insults all men by reinforcing patriarchy and punching down to two groups of men.",
">\n\nShe said small dick energy. Not that he had a small dick (though, come on). She used that phrase BECAUSE it's Tate. She's not a moron.\nHe is, as evidenced by his life to this point and his two responses to Thunberg, which were epically pathetic, is a moron and didn't seem to get it, though he doesn't get a lot.",
">\n\nThis is worse than saying he has a small dick, because how would she know, and that would just be dismissed as stupid.\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\nI can't understand the mental gymnastics some people are doing to try and say this isn't body shaming.",
">\n\n\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\n\nI mean yeah -- kind of like how pussy is an insult denoting cowardice, cunt is an insult meaning basically, terrible, etc., \nShe used that on purpose. Are you making CMV every time you see someone calling someone else a pussy?",
">\n\nPussy is kind of already known to be a shitty gendered insult so it doesn't need a CMV. In this case, Greta's gendered \"having a small penis is bad\" tweet is massively amplified, reached r/all on a shitload of subs, etc. so some discussion about whether or not that is cool is warranted",
">\n\nSmall dick energy isn’t about having a small dick tho. It’s a reflection of an attitude that men who are offensive, aggressive, nasty to people are overcompensating for their insecurities. A small dick doesn’t mean you won’t be able to find a partner or that you’re any less of a man. Being a downright trash bag of a human to others, like in this instance where an internet edgelord is cyber bullying a teenager on the internet who is fighting for the survival of our planet/humanity is an example of this trash behavior, is more of a determining factor. \nYou can also have a small dick but have big dick energy, as it’s reflective of who you are as a person. It’s an attitude. It’s who you choose to be to yourself and others. Hell, there’s women who use the term that they have big dick energy and I can tell you those women’s dicks are none existent so therefore size isn’t a thing. \nNo one should be made fun of for something they had no control over. The worth of a man is not tied to the size of his penis. Although, toxic masculinity and shallow people will tell you different. They say the same for disabled people, fat people etc. There’s plenty of people who are not “conventional standards of beauty” which is the majority of us, that lead happy, healthy relationships. Those relationships start with yourself and understanding your worth as a person isn’t tied to what you look like or how big your junk is. \nThe point is if you choose to be a trash person like Tate, where your self worth is tied into how cruel/offensive you can be to other people, don’t be mad if people call you out for that trashy attitude. Your post definitely reeks of “men are the true victims” when clearly you didn’t seem to have a problem with a grown man cyber bullying a teenager.",
">\n\nI like how you imply that OP is a fan of a literal human trafficker because they point out that a body-shaming insult is body-shaming. Do you understand why associating a trait of someone's body with negative personality traits is bad?",
">\n\nNo because people like this always have exceptions that allow them to use the things they complain about. Cognitive gymnastics allows them to recognise shaming women and people of colour is bad, because society will eat them otherwise, but when someone shows up who deserves a bit of a roasting all of their social etiquette rules go out the window and the excuses come out as to why in this context it doesn't count.\n\"Ahh no, here it is a reflection of an attitude\" blah blah 3 paragraphs later and we've clouded over the simple fact that body shaming is body shaming and harms people you weren't intending to insult.",
">\n\nPeople like this? You’re assuming things about me because I am a character in your mind not a real person. I am not a monolith. We should not be body shaming people. I am explaining the other side of this issue and why people use these terms. You never asked if I use these same terms in my life. You assumed I do. I don’t. You didn’t even bother to read my response because if you did you would have realized this.",
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">\n\nYou can have smol pp but big pp energy and vice versa",
">\n\nSo why is the phrase small dick energy if it has nothing to do with having a small dick?",
">\n\nIdk man, I just work here.",
">\n\nYou know why. Lol cause small dick is associated with bad. And by insulting dicks you use this knowledge to offend, at the cost of body shaming people. \nStop feigning dumb just to avoid the reasoning lol",
">\n\nI can see how it would be offensive, and I wouldn’t use it myself. I feel like the phrase refers more to how someone acts as opposed to how they are endowed. And how it’s behavior and actions that make people think down of you not your penis.",
">\n\nPoint is that we, as a society, should encourage better insults that attack the comments of the person without necessarily having to equate it to something someone with a small dick.",
">\n\nWould you agree with me, that if Andrew clapped back with one of those that the internet would be up in arms about it?",
">\n\nYou mean the way that you are, here, on the internet, up in arms?",
">\n\nIm one person on reddit, theres no major backlash like there would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\nSee, what's happening here is that you are also looking at people who are \"one person on Reddit\" and pretending it's a major backlash. Andrew Tate says fucked up things about women all the time (in fact, it's kind of his whole schtick) and it's as much of a non-event as this is.",
">\n\nPlease link me to something fucked up hes said about women, and ill agree with you, two wrongs don't make a right.",
">\n\nHere's exhibit A.",
">\n\nSure I agree with you he has said fucked up stuff about women, it doesn't mean its okay to make a joke about small dick energy.\nDo you understand my point?",
">\n\nWe understand, it's just that your point is fucking stupid",
">\n\nYou have no idea what his point is, it's funny that people on this thread OP and others actually like Andrew Tate.\nIt proves that everyone is completely frothingly tribalistic with zero nuance.",
">\n\nIf someone is behaving insufferably, people are going to laugh at them for things that they wouldn’t find funny if it happened to someone they liked.\nFor example, is it funny when people go bankrupt? No. Would it be funny if someone like Andrew Tate went bankrupt after boasting about Bugattis and all of his mass wealth? Yes. This doesn’t mean people who would make fun of him for that are making fun of poverty or all people who lose their livelihoods, it would just be funny if it happened to that particular person. \nIn the same way, the idea that Tate does all the douchey, over the top macho things that he does in order to compensate for having a small penis is funny, whilst it not being funny to make fun of every person who has a small penis.",
">\n\nSubstitute fat. Is that ok?",
">\n\nDepends on what the fat person is doing. If the person is minding their own business then no, if the fat person is attacking other people’s appearances then yeah go for it.",
">\n\nInteresting take. Might want to play with that a bit. A lot of situations where your reasoning falls apart.",
">\n\nPeople insulted Trump for being fat when he tried to say he was like the most fit person ever. People make fun of Elon Musk's body. You can make the same type of insult to two different people and it come off two different ways. \nWhen you make your identity or argument around something it opens up certain insults and comebacks. \nTate's whole thing is trying to act like this \"alpha male\" when in reality he's a sex trafficking weirdo who pays women to hang out with him. It's totally fine to insult him with a childish insult. \nI also find that people worried or mad about this don't actually care about body image issues. They just want a gotcha moment for people. Because many would have shitty takes about fat people or whine about pc culture.",
">\n\nWhen you call some MF that doesn't necessarily mean you are a MF... I'm not saying it's okay to say abusing words but we still do use them.\nI don't think she said it in literal terms, it was completely literary. Also she only said it cause it was Tate who she said it to. Also if a woman has small tits and someone said to someone else that they have small tits energy, I don't think one who actually has small tits would mind it, cause she is not involved and it's kinda perfect way of irritating Tate.. cause he really cares about these things. \nWhen it comes to increasing the insecurity of someone who actually has small D and is insecure about it... She couldn't think so far cause all she wanted was to irritate Tate and she was successful",
">\n\nI don't think it even irritated him if that was her goal but definitely helped him with popularity. It just proves what he says people think of insecure men, it just moves them to him and he gains more influence. It was an ignorant reply in poor taste. Someone with much following and influence as Greta shouldn't be as irresponsible and the followers shouldn't be having to do mental gymnastics to defend her instead of seeing it as it is: body shaming against men.",
">\n\nIs this some kind of weird meta-game? Are Andrew Tate fans pretending to actually be offended by this stupid insult to prove a point? Does anybody actually think her retort was any sharper than a brick wrapped in a wet blanket?\nWhat is going on here?!",
">\n\n\nWhat is going on here?!\n\nAndrew Tate fans have a lot of small dick energy. That's whats going on.",
">\n\nWhy are people not allowed dislike tate (he's an absolute idiot and a grifter) and also to criticize obvious body shaming from a supposed progressive? If Biden started talking about \"N*gger energy\" criticizing Kanye for antisemitism, would that be ok in your eyes? Would you say that a black guy who doesn't like that must be an angry Kanye fan? Or is it disgustingly offensive towards all African Americans to use that type of language no matter what?",
">\n\nBecause it suits their narrative to frame it as if people are just defending tate. It's easier than just actually defending body shaming. Done deal.",
">\n\nI think Greta used that phrase not because she actually believes or wants to promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior, but because people like Andrew Tate believe and promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior. If Andrew Tate gets hurt because Greta says he has small dick energy, then maybe -- just maybe, with the tiniest bit of introspection -- he'll come to realize how hateful some of his language is.\nBullies like Andrew Tate don't really respond to logic or pleas for sympathy. The only way to maybe make them understand the hurt they cause is to inflict it on them, because they don't care about anyone but themselves. \nSo instead of putting the cart before the horse and blaming Greta for using an offensive phrase as an argumentative tactic, maybe blame the people who use the phrase to actually demean people.",
">\n\nCan we substitute fat instead and be justified?",
">\n\nYes people did that with Trump when he claimed to be the fittest person ever basically. If someone has a habit of insulting people a certain way or making certain claims then they open themselves up to specific insults. \nSometimes we'd find those insults not tasteful if said to other people. But I feel like most people equating this to fat insults don't actually care about fat people. A lot of people would also be like oh things are getting too pc or soft or woke when it comes to body positivity towards fat people. So for me it's hard to buy this line of reasoning as being truly valid or caring.",
">\n\nNo one said it has to be authentic caring. This sub is for exploring the intellectual arguments. Your perception of how authentic someone’s feelings towards fat people is basically irrelevant. Argue the point or don’t. Passing your authenticity test is a wierd standard to try to argue for.",
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">\n\nYes, making insults is offensive. That's the point.\nInsults that reference a body part are also offensive to people who are insecure about that body part. That's also kinda obvious.\nWhat do you want your mind changed about here? I'm unclear about what you think can be discussed about an insult meant to be insulting. Are you arguing that this insult is especially wrong in some way?\nHow is this not just you soapboxing?",
">\n\nThere's a reason as a society we don't use insults like \"retard\". This is in the same vein. You're attributing a negative thing with a man having a small penis. This is harmful as it perpetuates the stigma surrounding penis size which is outside ones control. Essentially it degrades a group of people who have nothing to do with it. OP wants to know whether or not this is reconciled. Reading the comments... It has not been. \nMaking gendered insults doesn't bother me truthfully but I can understand the frustration OP is expressing because were it to be a man making some edgy reference to a woman's lady parts being inadequate as a way to demean them then everyone would be outraged as opposed to cheering it on.",
">\n\nUsing “small dick” as an insult, or “loose pussy” isn’t really offensive unless you are insecure about the physical viability of your reproductive organs. \nBut, that doesn’t make it funny. It’s a really juvenile and uncreative way of ridiculing someone.",
">\n\nInsecure women are offended when they're fat shamed.\nIt's still body shaming.\nIt's still wrong.",
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">\n\nGuy randomly decides to flex on her by saying I HAVE CARS AND I LIKE TO GO VROOOOM. It's like when Piers decides that it's absolutely important to eat meat in front of vegans. It's not about penis size. It's just that smalldickenergy is a perfect explanation of why would someone decide to behave like this.",
">\n\nShe is 19. Maybe in a few years she will have more mature insults. It’s a lot of pressure to be put on someone so young to also say the perfect thing all the time",
">\n\nUnder nearly all circumstances, I agree with you.\nHowever, for a lot of people who have built a cult of personality around any given ideal, insults of the inoffensive type are completely commonplace. All they have to do is fend off one or two instances of this PG rated attacks, strawman them, call them snowflakes, and their following is bolstered and enhanced. Instead of having any negative effect, it becomes part of their inherent power.\nSometimes if you want to rattle a cult leader you have to hit with precision their most critical weakness and watch them implode. The fact that Tate is squirming so hard and doing everything he can to reclaim some of his dignity after Greta's clapback means that she has his number. Great isn't saying that having a small dick is bad, but knowing that Tate's entire personality is built about being an alpha male and that calling into question the size of his member will hurt him the most is what she was after. \nOf course, it wasn't classy and could be offensive to some. But as the saying goes, sometimes you have to fight fire with fire.",
">\n\nReally is he squirming? \nHe's rich he's popular and now he's gotten someone he disagrees with to repeat his ideology and platform spreading it to a wider audience. \nI'd argue he's happy for the attention and popularity that she's given to him now and enjoying the increased sales in his business as more men who feel marginalized and left out join him seeing this hypocrisy playing out. Not to mention all the political players( internationally) who were against climate action seeing all this and aligning themselves appropriately, possibly propping him up and making him something more than what he actually is- An ignorant troll. \nEngage with a troll and you only give them more power. The tweet was dumb and people should know better.\nEdit: spacing",
">\n\nI'm not commenting on whether or not his fans will like him more or if the controversy will inadvertently grant him a wider audience. \nI'm commenting that Greta knew exactly where and how to hit him the hardest. Yes, he is definitely squirming. He has scrambled out half a dozen prepubescent \"I know you are but what am I\" tweets. Then he went and made the absolute cringiest response video. He's incensed by being talked down to by Greta and is overcompensating. \nDid her tweet have any net positive effect on society? No. Did it ruffle Tate's feathers and make his blood boil? Yea. Would he have even cared if she called him a misogynistic prick? Absolutely not. He would have just told her to sit down and shut up, that misogyny is made up by inferior women blah blah blah...\nInstead, his insecurities are eating him alive.",
">\n\nWhy even respond and give him attention that he so desperately craves? And why body shame men in the process? \nIf she didn't have a better insult she could have just went on with her life instead of helping him grow. Using \"small dick energy\" as an insult means implicitly we agree that people with small penises are inferior and undesirable. That's basically what Tate is on about ( Toxic masculinity). And by laughing at her tweet we all reinforce that perception. Do you get that? \nSick of double standards and hypocrisy. At least people should have the courage to own up and acknowledge it then move on instead of doubling down and performing mental gymnastics to justify an obvious case of body shaming.\nI agree with you on one thing that the net effect on society because of this tweet exchange is negative and only serves the people who Greta and her followers hate.",
">\n\nI think you are missing what I am saying. I fully agree that it wasn't necessary nor was it the right thing for Greta to do. I also agree that it just gives him attention and was overall a useless venture other for the entertainment of Tate haters.\nOP asked why it is okay. I stated that it isn't okay but that I understand why Greta took that road rather than the suggested non-offensive approach. It is because he's immune to it. What he isn't immune to is his masculinity and ego being questioned. What is the point of the Wolf continuing to blow on the brick house? None. To get to the scared little piggies inside he needs a jackhammer. \nAnd it worked exactly how she planned it to. He was rattled and anyone who hates Tate is amused. \nNot saying it's the right thing to do, nor do I want anyone to feel ashamed of the size of their penis.",
">\n\nOk.. thanks for elaborating on that. I misunderstood your comment as a disagreement and engaged to try and change your mind but seems we share the same view.",
">\n\nYou do not know what Greta is \"fully aware\" of. She is referring to character and behaviour, why are you taking this personally? She isn't speaking to you, hasn't seen you, doesn't know you. I don't know why you are externalizing your issue like this and waving it around in public, is it our responsibility to fix this for you?\nShe was just making a tiny joke. Relax. smalldickenergy @ getalife .com is hilarious.",
">\n\nAside from everything else, it's men who started the 'big dick energy' idiocy so to then complain when someone uses their own stupidity against them...",
">\n\nYeah because men are a monolith and we all meet in a room and know each other smh.",
">\n\nThey’re saying it’s offensive to more than just Andrew Tate",
">\n\nYeah but again, ISN'T THE PURPOSE",
">\n\nWhat do you mean again? You didn’t say that before. And why does the purpose matter? You can do a bad thing without meaning to.",
">\n\nI meant to say isn't that the purpose lol mb",
">\n\nOh lol I probably should have realized that. But I think the point of the insult was to offend Andrew Tate.",
">\n\nFair. Trying to not say anything about him one way or another so I don't get downvoted to hell.",
">\n\nGreta lost that argument. She literally has like a hundred things Tate has said and done she could attack. Easy target... The one thing she chose to do is to body shame the man. It's just name calling. It's not a refutation of Tate. If anything it makes her sound stupid for her inability to come up with a refutation.",
">\n\nExactly. But people are just cheering her on and laughing along without grasping the nuance of the situation.",
">\n\nI think you are kinda missing the point. People know it offensive. The issue is that they don't care.",
">\n\nPeople used to make fun of small tits all the time. Remember the 90s? Remember the itty bitty titty committee? I don't know if that's a thing any more, but skinny women with no butts are definitely not seen as attractive. It's not fair. It's not their fault. People need to stop shaming themselves and eachother, and accept all bodies. Until then, \"small dick energy\" won't cease to be an insult. I guess the difference is people are sort of \"punching up\" since it's always been people with dicks who have the power in this world. I've never heard a dude say that another dude has \"small dick energy.\" It's always a woman saying that. Either way I think it's dumb but I get it. I've always thought \"Karen\" was a dumb insult too. Not someone's fault they were named Karen, LOL.",
">\n\nAndrew insulted her. He was asking for this insult. She was totally in the right. She wasn’t trying to shame anyone else. You’re asking for this insult too.",
">\n\nIsn't it more offensive for small pp folk, that there is a guy who base his entire existence on top of an argument that being an alpha, prime male is the most important thing in the world, and you need to be a testosterone bomb gorilla to have any kind of value. Isn't that argument disregards small dick guys in the first place?",
">\n\nAnd Greta just reinforced it with her reply. Do you see the problem now?\nEdit:replaced \"comment\" with \"reply\"",
">\n\nI believe I've already made a statement about what the problem is.",
">\n\nThen do you understand why Greta's reply is offensive and playing into Andrew Tate's hands?",
">\n\nLol this is twitter. There is no playing into each other's hands. Get outside.",
">\n\nOh look. Greta is human. Someone who spent a lot of her growing up time trying to educate people.\nIf she was in a bar and some doofus made a pass, she's just asserting herself. Age and context. Good on her.",
">\n\nIt is actually been studied. Men with small penises actually do have less energy- testosterone or something.",
">\n\nBeing offended by anything is each person's individual choice. If something is offensive to you, then simply choose to not be offended by it. It's truly that simple.",
">\n\nSo there is no such thing as hate speech?",
">\n\nNo, I didn't say that. Someone can certainly say something to someone that they hate with words that they feel will harm them mentally. That is \"hate speech\". The point I was trying to make is that we all as individuals have the choice to react to whatever someone says in whatever way we choose to react. If I feel offended by something that someone is saying, it is my choice to be offended by it.",
">\n\nI pretty much agree, but now we come to who decides. Does the person doing the talking decide whether it is hate speech? Or the person being talked at?",
">\n\nThere is no decision. The person who is talking thinks that what they are saying is not hateful, or they do. The person being talked at thinks that what the other person is saying is hateful, or they don't. The point is that it only matters if you make it matter to you. For example, if I say you are the dumbest person on earth, am I committing the crime of hate speech? Are you the dumbest person on earth? Probably not. But maybe I believe that you are. Does that make it true? If so, then it's not hate speech it's the truth...to me. If you, personally, believe that you are not the dumbest person on earth, then why would you concern yourself with what my dumbass has to say? To you, I'm the dumbest person on earth. I hope I'm getting my point across here.",
">\n\nSo we agree then? No laws regarding hate speech at all. You just ignore it and move on.",
">\n\nYes, sir.",
">\n\nYup",
">\n\nWhat if I say that I am offended that you are offended that you say \"small dick energy\" is offensive to men that are insecure about their size? Say I'm a man with a huge, massive dong. Say it's been a huge issue for me all my life. Let's say, hypothetically, that I am hugely insecure about the massive size of my dong and it's given me problems all my life. Every time I, hypothetically, go for a jog it's constantly flopping all over the place chaffing up my leg. Every time I have sex it's always this huge issue and only like half of the thing can go in before the receiver is like \"oh my god, stop, that's too much!\" Every time I receive oral sex, anything more than an inch beyond the tip causes a gag reflex. Does that sound exciting to you? Here you are bragging about your completely normal sized penis and all your normal sized penis sex and here this hypothetical person with a huge massive dong has all these issues. I can see how a hypothetical person with this debilitating issue would take offense that you take offense.",
">\n\nShe's an edgelord",
">\n\nreddit",
">\n\nSounds like a skill issue",
">\n\nDo you really get that offended? It's not like males themselves haven't sexualized females and their bodies and have said even worse and more common things about them? But we get offended over sum small? pun intended",
">\n\n“Some males have sexualized females therefore it’s fine for society to make fun of penis size.”",
">\n\nSociety? I don't see everyone (which represents society) doing it 😂 maybe you are focusing too much on negativity and that's all you see",
">\n\nSaying “small dick energy” is inherently a negative thing because it’s an insult. It also implies that there’s something bad about less endowed people because Tate is being compared to that demographic. \nWhen I say society, I mean that a decent percentage of people have “____ dick energy” built into their vocabulary to the point where the meaning of these terms is widely agreed on and it loses it’s direct connection to the penis. This doesn’t mean that the term is appropriate to use though since it originated from actual body shaming.",
">\n\nBattle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.",
">\n\nI think you should consider the situation at hand and less the use of insults as an absolute \nAndrew Tate absolutely deserves it",
">\n\nthe post its about the insult. \n\"Yeah I called this person a N... but lets focus on how bad that person is!!\"\nThe insult not only its very inflammatory (shows patriarcal estigmas,Its body shaming, reinforces toxic masculinity)\nIts also an extremely weak answer, its a groundless ad hominem. I would dare to argue the insult talks more about breta and his internalized toxic patriarcal estigmas than anything against tate.",
">\n\nGreta didn't start this. He was harassing her.",
">\n\n\"He started it\" -That's a toddler's excuse lmao",
">\n\nSo, in your opinion, Greta would have insulted him whether he had harassed her first, or not?"
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Well, if he didn't want to be insulted, he could've done pretty much anything else with his time. I love the way you think people should be able to gatekeep how other people should hurt the feelings of people who are harassing them.
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"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult.",
">\n\nIt's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh.",
">\n\nHonestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV",
">\n\nPeople can make mistakes and this was one of them.. so we can all just criticize her reply fairly and move on. No need for acute mental gymnastics to defend her as this comments section is showing lmao.",
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">\n\nI don't think anyone is arguing it's not offensive. I'm pretty sure she was trying to offend insecure men. Apparently with great success.",
">\n\nShe was trying to offend men who were insecure about their body image?\nHow is that not body shaming?",
">\n\nIt is, but we playing the avoidance and rationalization game",
">\n\nbecause women invented \"small dick energy\"\nharsh, sad. but we go jim🗿",
">\n\nOP never mentioned women tho. Post is strictly about why it's offensive. Do you disagree that it's not offensive or you think it's a trivial matter to make fun of that men's mental health doesn't matter as much?",
">\n\nThe female equivalent is\n\"Loose Pussy Energy\".\nThe typical man-hate hypocrisy commonly going around is beyond obvious. And it is an attack on All men and boys not just some.",
">\n\nNot a disagreement per se, but also worth noting that it’s transphobic. Which is to say, it insults all men by reinforcing patriarchy and punching down to two groups of men.",
">\n\nShe said small dick energy. Not that he had a small dick (though, come on). She used that phrase BECAUSE it's Tate. She's not a moron.\nHe is, as evidenced by his life to this point and his two responses to Thunberg, which were epically pathetic, is a moron and didn't seem to get it, though he doesn't get a lot.",
">\n\nThis is worse than saying he has a small dick, because how would she know, and that would just be dismissed as stupid.\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\nI can't understand the mental gymnastics some people are doing to try and say this isn't body shaming.",
">\n\n\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\n\nI mean yeah -- kind of like how pussy is an insult denoting cowardice, cunt is an insult meaning basically, terrible, etc., \nShe used that on purpose. Are you making CMV every time you see someone calling someone else a pussy?",
">\n\nPussy is kind of already known to be a shitty gendered insult so it doesn't need a CMV. In this case, Greta's gendered \"having a small penis is bad\" tweet is massively amplified, reached r/all on a shitload of subs, etc. so some discussion about whether or not that is cool is warranted",
">\n\nSmall dick energy isn’t about having a small dick tho. It’s a reflection of an attitude that men who are offensive, aggressive, nasty to people are overcompensating for their insecurities. A small dick doesn’t mean you won’t be able to find a partner or that you’re any less of a man. Being a downright trash bag of a human to others, like in this instance where an internet edgelord is cyber bullying a teenager on the internet who is fighting for the survival of our planet/humanity is an example of this trash behavior, is more of a determining factor. \nYou can also have a small dick but have big dick energy, as it’s reflective of who you are as a person. It’s an attitude. It’s who you choose to be to yourself and others. Hell, there’s women who use the term that they have big dick energy and I can tell you those women’s dicks are none existent so therefore size isn’t a thing. \nNo one should be made fun of for something they had no control over. The worth of a man is not tied to the size of his penis. Although, toxic masculinity and shallow people will tell you different. They say the same for disabled people, fat people etc. There’s plenty of people who are not “conventional standards of beauty” which is the majority of us, that lead happy, healthy relationships. Those relationships start with yourself and understanding your worth as a person isn’t tied to what you look like or how big your junk is. \nThe point is if you choose to be a trash person like Tate, where your self worth is tied into how cruel/offensive you can be to other people, don’t be mad if people call you out for that trashy attitude. Your post definitely reeks of “men are the true victims” when clearly you didn’t seem to have a problem with a grown man cyber bullying a teenager.",
">\n\nI like how you imply that OP is a fan of a literal human trafficker because they point out that a body-shaming insult is body-shaming. Do you understand why associating a trait of someone's body with negative personality traits is bad?",
">\n\nNo because people like this always have exceptions that allow them to use the things they complain about. Cognitive gymnastics allows them to recognise shaming women and people of colour is bad, because society will eat them otherwise, but when someone shows up who deserves a bit of a roasting all of their social etiquette rules go out the window and the excuses come out as to why in this context it doesn't count.\n\"Ahh no, here it is a reflection of an attitude\" blah blah 3 paragraphs later and we've clouded over the simple fact that body shaming is body shaming and harms people you weren't intending to insult.",
">\n\nPeople like this? You’re assuming things about me because I am a character in your mind not a real person. I am not a monolith. We should not be body shaming people. I am explaining the other side of this issue and why people use these terms. You never asked if I use these same terms in my life. You assumed I do. I don’t. You didn’t even bother to read my response because if you did you would have realized this.",
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">\n\nYou can have smol pp but big pp energy and vice versa",
">\n\nSo why is the phrase small dick energy if it has nothing to do with having a small dick?",
">\n\nIdk man, I just work here.",
">\n\nYou know why. Lol cause small dick is associated with bad. And by insulting dicks you use this knowledge to offend, at the cost of body shaming people. \nStop feigning dumb just to avoid the reasoning lol",
">\n\nI can see how it would be offensive, and I wouldn’t use it myself. I feel like the phrase refers more to how someone acts as opposed to how they are endowed. And how it’s behavior and actions that make people think down of you not your penis.",
">\n\nPoint is that we, as a society, should encourage better insults that attack the comments of the person without necessarily having to equate it to something someone with a small dick.",
">\n\nWould you agree with me, that if Andrew clapped back with one of those that the internet would be up in arms about it?",
">\n\nYou mean the way that you are, here, on the internet, up in arms?",
">\n\nIm one person on reddit, theres no major backlash like there would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\nSee, what's happening here is that you are also looking at people who are \"one person on Reddit\" and pretending it's a major backlash. Andrew Tate says fucked up things about women all the time (in fact, it's kind of his whole schtick) and it's as much of a non-event as this is.",
">\n\nPlease link me to something fucked up hes said about women, and ill agree with you, two wrongs don't make a right.",
">\n\nHere's exhibit A.",
">\n\nSure I agree with you he has said fucked up stuff about women, it doesn't mean its okay to make a joke about small dick energy.\nDo you understand my point?",
">\n\nWe understand, it's just that your point is fucking stupid",
">\n\nYou have no idea what his point is, it's funny that people on this thread OP and others actually like Andrew Tate.\nIt proves that everyone is completely frothingly tribalistic with zero nuance.",
">\n\nIf someone is behaving insufferably, people are going to laugh at them for things that they wouldn’t find funny if it happened to someone they liked.\nFor example, is it funny when people go bankrupt? No. Would it be funny if someone like Andrew Tate went bankrupt after boasting about Bugattis and all of his mass wealth? Yes. This doesn’t mean people who would make fun of him for that are making fun of poverty or all people who lose their livelihoods, it would just be funny if it happened to that particular person. \nIn the same way, the idea that Tate does all the douchey, over the top macho things that he does in order to compensate for having a small penis is funny, whilst it not being funny to make fun of every person who has a small penis.",
">\n\nSubstitute fat. Is that ok?",
">\n\nDepends on what the fat person is doing. If the person is minding their own business then no, if the fat person is attacking other people’s appearances then yeah go for it.",
">\n\nInteresting take. Might want to play with that a bit. A lot of situations where your reasoning falls apart.",
">\n\nPeople insulted Trump for being fat when he tried to say he was like the most fit person ever. People make fun of Elon Musk's body. You can make the same type of insult to two different people and it come off two different ways. \nWhen you make your identity or argument around something it opens up certain insults and comebacks. \nTate's whole thing is trying to act like this \"alpha male\" when in reality he's a sex trafficking weirdo who pays women to hang out with him. It's totally fine to insult him with a childish insult. \nI also find that people worried or mad about this don't actually care about body image issues. They just want a gotcha moment for people. Because many would have shitty takes about fat people or whine about pc culture.",
">\n\nWhen you call some MF that doesn't necessarily mean you are a MF... I'm not saying it's okay to say abusing words but we still do use them.\nI don't think she said it in literal terms, it was completely literary. Also she only said it cause it was Tate who she said it to. Also if a woman has small tits and someone said to someone else that they have small tits energy, I don't think one who actually has small tits would mind it, cause she is not involved and it's kinda perfect way of irritating Tate.. cause he really cares about these things. \nWhen it comes to increasing the insecurity of someone who actually has small D and is insecure about it... She couldn't think so far cause all she wanted was to irritate Tate and she was successful",
">\n\nI don't think it even irritated him if that was her goal but definitely helped him with popularity. It just proves what he says people think of insecure men, it just moves them to him and he gains more influence. It was an ignorant reply in poor taste. Someone with much following and influence as Greta shouldn't be as irresponsible and the followers shouldn't be having to do mental gymnastics to defend her instead of seeing it as it is: body shaming against men.",
">\n\nIs this some kind of weird meta-game? Are Andrew Tate fans pretending to actually be offended by this stupid insult to prove a point? Does anybody actually think her retort was any sharper than a brick wrapped in a wet blanket?\nWhat is going on here?!",
">\n\n\nWhat is going on here?!\n\nAndrew Tate fans have a lot of small dick energy. That's whats going on.",
">\n\nWhy are people not allowed dislike tate (he's an absolute idiot and a grifter) and also to criticize obvious body shaming from a supposed progressive? If Biden started talking about \"N*gger energy\" criticizing Kanye for antisemitism, would that be ok in your eyes? Would you say that a black guy who doesn't like that must be an angry Kanye fan? Or is it disgustingly offensive towards all African Americans to use that type of language no matter what?",
">\n\nBecause it suits their narrative to frame it as if people are just defending tate. It's easier than just actually defending body shaming. Done deal.",
">\n\nI think Greta used that phrase not because she actually believes or wants to promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior, but because people like Andrew Tate believe and promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior. If Andrew Tate gets hurt because Greta says he has small dick energy, then maybe -- just maybe, with the tiniest bit of introspection -- he'll come to realize how hateful some of his language is.\nBullies like Andrew Tate don't really respond to logic or pleas for sympathy. The only way to maybe make them understand the hurt they cause is to inflict it on them, because they don't care about anyone but themselves. \nSo instead of putting the cart before the horse and blaming Greta for using an offensive phrase as an argumentative tactic, maybe blame the people who use the phrase to actually demean people.",
">\n\nCan we substitute fat instead and be justified?",
">\n\nYes people did that with Trump when he claimed to be the fittest person ever basically. If someone has a habit of insulting people a certain way or making certain claims then they open themselves up to specific insults. \nSometimes we'd find those insults not tasteful if said to other people. But I feel like most people equating this to fat insults don't actually care about fat people. A lot of people would also be like oh things are getting too pc or soft or woke when it comes to body positivity towards fat people. So for me it's hard to buy this line of reasoning as being truly valid or caring.",
">\n\nNo one said it has to be authentic caring. This sub is for exploring the intellectual arguments. Your perception of how authentic someone’s feelings towards fat people is basically irrelevant. Argue the point or don’t. Passing your authenticity test is a wierd standard to try to argue for.",
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">\n\nYes, making insults is offensive. That's the point.\nInsults that reference a body part are also offensive to people who are insecure about that body part. That's also kinda obvious.\nWhat do you want your mind changed about here? I'm unclear about what you think can be discussed about an insult meant to be insulting. Are you arguing that this insult is especially wrong in some way?\nHow is this not just you soapboxing?",
">\n\nThere's a reason as a society we don't use insults like \"retard\". This is in the same vein. You're attributing a negative thing with a man having a small penis. This is harmful as it perpetuates the stigma surrounding penis size which is outside ones control. Essentially it degrades a group of people who have nothing to do with it. OP wants to know whether or not this is reconciled. Reading the comments... It has not been. \nMaking gendered insults doesn't bother me truthfully but I can understand the frustration OP is expressing because were it to be a man making some edgy reference to a woman's lady parts being inadequate as a way to demean them then everyone would be outraged as opposed to cheering it on.",
">\n\nUsing “small dick” as an insult, or “loose pussy” isn’t really offensive unless you are insecure about the physical viability of your reproductive organs. \nBut, that doesn’t make it funny. It’s a really juvenile and uncreative way of ridiculing someone.",
">\n\nInsecure women are offended when they're fat shamed.\nIt's still body shaming.\nIt's still wrong.",
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">\n\nGuy randomly decides to flex on her by saying I HAVE CARS AND I LIKE TO GO VROOOOM. It's like when Piers decides that it's absolutely important to eat meat in front of vegans. It's not about penis size. It's just that smalldickenergy is a perfect explanation of why would someone decide to behave like this.",
">\n\nShe is 19. Maybe in a few years she will have more mature insults. It’s a lot of pressure to be put on someone so young to also say the perfect thing all the time",
">\n\nUnder nearly all circumstances, I agree with you.\nHowever, for a lot of people who have built a cult of personality around any given ideal, insults of the inoffensive type are completely commonplace. All they have to do is fend off one or two instances of this PG rated attacks, strawman them, call them snowflakes, and their following is bolstered and enhanced. Instead of having any negative effect, it becomes part of their inherent power.\nSometimes if you want to rattle a cult leader you have to hit with precision their most critical weakness and watch them implode. The fact that Tate is squirming so hard and doing everything he can to reclaim some of his dignity after Greta's clapback means that she has his number. Great isn't saying that having a small dick is bad, but knowing that Tate's entire personality is built about being an alpha male and that calling into question the size of his member will hurt him the most is what she was after. \nOf course, it wasn't classy and could be offensive to some. But as the saying goes, sometimes you have to fight fire with fire.",
">\n\nReally is he squirming? \nHe's rich he's popular and now he's gotten someone he disagrees with to repeat his ideology and platform spreading it to a wider audience. \nI'd argue he's happy for the attention and popularity that she's given to him now and enjoying the increased sales in his business as more men who feel marginalized and left out join him seeing this hypocrisy playing out. Not to mention all the political players( internationally) who were against climate action seeing all this and aligning themselves appropriately, possibly propping him up and making him something more than what he actually is- An ignorant troll. \nEngage with a troll and you only give them more power. The tweet was dumb and people should know better.\nEdit: spacing",
">\n\nI'm not commenting on whether or not his fans will like him more or if the controversy will inadvertently grant him a wider audience. \nI'm commenting that Greta knew exactly where and how to hit him the hardest. Yes, he is definitely squirming. He has scrambled out half a dozen prepubescent \"I know you are but what am I\" tweets. Then he went and made the absolute cringiest response video. He's incensed by being talked down to by Greta and is overcompensating. \nDid her tweet have any net positive effect on society? No. Did it ruffle Tate's feathers and make his blood boil? Yea. Would he have even cared if she called him a misogynistic prick? Absolutely not. He would have just told her to sit down and shut up, that misogyny is made up by inferior women blah blah blah...\nInstead, his insecurities are eating him alive.",
">\n\nWhy even respond and give him attention that he so desperately craves? And why body shame men in the process? \nIf she didn't have a better insult she could have just went on with her life instead of helping him grow. Using \"small dick energy\" as an insult means implicitly we agree that people with small penises are inferior and undesirable. That's basically what Tate is on about ( Toxic masculinity). And by laughing at her tweet we all reinforce that perception. Do you get that? \nSick of double standards and hypocrisy. At least people should have the courage to own up and acknowledge it then move on instead of doubling down and performing mental gymnastics to justify an obvious case of body shaming.\nI agree with you on one thing that the net effect on society because of this tweet exchange is negative and only serves the people who Greta and her followers hate.",
">\n\nI think you are missing what I am saying. I fully agree that it wasn't necessary nor was it the right thing for Greta to do. I also agree that it just gives him attention and was overall a useless venture other for the entertainment of Tate haters.\nOP asked why it is okay. I stated that it isn't okay but that I understand why Greta took that road rather than the suggested non-offensive approach. It is because he's immune to it. What he isn't immune to is his masculinity and ego being questioned. What is the point of the Wolf continuing to blow on the brick house? None. To get to the scared little piggies inside he needs a jackhammer. \nAnd it worked exactly how she planned it to. He was rattled and anyone who hates Tate is amused. \nNot saying it's the right thing to do, nor do I want anyone to feel ashamed of the size of their penis.",
">\n\nOk.. thanks for elaborating on that. I misunderstood your comment as a disagreement and engaged to try and change your mind but seems we share the same view.",
">\n\nYou do not know what Greta is \"fully aware\" of. She is referring to character and behaviour, why are you taking this personally? She isn't speaking to you, hasn't seen you, doesn't know you. I don't know why you are externalizing your issue like this and waving it around in public, is it our responsibility to fix this for you?\nShe was just making a tiny joke. Relax. smalldickenergy @ getalife .com is hilarious.",
">\n\nAside from everything else, it's men who started the 'big dick energy' idiocy so to then complain when someone uses their own stupidity against them...",
">\n\nYeah because men are a monolith and we all meet in a room and know each other smh.",
">\n\nThey’re saying it’s offensive to more than just Andrew Tate",
">\n\nYeah but again, ISN'T THE PURPOSE",
">\n\nWhat do you mean again? You didn’t say that before. And why does the purpose matter? You can do a bad thing without meaning to.",
">\n\nI meant to say isn't that the purpose lol mb",
">\n\nOh lol I probably should have realized that. But I think the point of the insult was to offend Andrew Tate.",
">\n\nFair. Trying to not say anything about him one way or another so I don't get downvoted to hell.",
">\n\nGreta lost that argument. She literally has like a hundred things Tate has said and done she could attack. Easy target... The one thing she chose to do is to body shame the man. It's just name calling. It's not a refutation of Tate. If anything it makes her sound stupid for her inability to come up with a refutation.",
">\n\nExactly. But people are just cheering her on and laughing along without grasping the nuance of the situation.",
">\n\nI think you are kinda missing the point. People know it offensive. The issue is that they don't care.",
">\n\nPeople used to make fun of small tits all the time. Remember the 90s? Remember the itty bitty titty committee? I don't know if that's a thing any more, but skinny women with no butts are definitely not seen as attractive. It's not fair. It's not their fault. People need to stop shaming themselves and eachother, and accept all bodies. Until then, \"small dick energy\" won't cease to be an insult. I guess the difference is people are sort of \"punching up\" since it's always been people with dicks who have the power in this world. I've never heard a dude say that another dude has \"small dick energy.\" It's always a woman saying that. Either way I think it's dumb but I get it. I've always thought \"Karen\" was a dumb insult too. Not someone's fault they were named Karen, LOL.",
">\n\nAndrew insulted her. He was asking for this insult. She was totally in the right. She wasn’t trying to shame anyone else. You’re asking for this insult too.",
">\n\nIsn't it more offensive for small pp folk, that there is a guy who base his entire existence on top of an argument that being an alpha, prime male is the most important thing in the world, and you need to be a testosterone bomb gorilla to have any kind of value. Isn't that argument disregards small dick guys in the first place?",
">\n\nAnd Greta just reinforced it with her reply. Do you see the problem now?\nEdit:replaced \"comment\" with \"reply\"",
">\n\nI believe I've already made a statement about what the problem is.",
">\n\nThen do you understand why Greta's reply is offensive and playing into Andrew Tate's hands?",
">\n\nLol this is twitter. There is no playing into each other's hands. Get outside.",
">\n\nOh look. Greta is human. Someone who spent a lot of her growing up time trying to educate people.\nIf she was in a bar and some doofus made a pass, she's just asserting herself. Age and context. Good on her.",
">\n\nIt is actually been studied. Men with small penises actually do have less energy- testosterone or something.",
">\n\nBeing offended by anything is each person's individual choice. If something is offensive to you, then simply choose to not be offended by it. It's truly that simple.",
">\n\nSo there is no such thing as hate speech?",
">\n\nNo, I didn't say that. Someone can certainly say something to someone that they hate with words that they feel will harm them mentally. That is \"hate speech\". The point I was trying to make is that we all as individuals have the choice to react to whatever someone says in whatever way we choose to react. If I feel offended by something that someone is saying, it is my choice to be offended by it.",
">\n\nI pretty much agree, but now we come to who decides. Does the person doing the talking decide whether it is hate speech? Or the person being talked at?",
">\n\nThere is no decision. The person who is talking thinks that what they are saying is not hateful, or they do. The person being talked at thinks that what the other person is saying is hateful, or they don't. The point is that it only matters if you make it matter to you. For example, if I say you are the dumbest person on earth, am I committing the crime of hate speech? Are you the dumbest person on earth? Probably not. But maybe I believe that you are. Does that make it true? If so, then it's not hate speech it's the truth...to me. If you, personally, believe that you are not the dumbest person on earth, then why would you concern yourself with what my dumbass has to say? To you, I'm the dumbest person on earth. I hope I'm getting my point across here.",
">\n\nSo we agree then? No laws regarding hate speech at all. You just ignore it and move on.",
">\n\nYes, sir.",
">\n\nYup",
">\n\nWhat if I say that I am offended that you are offended that you say \"small dick energy\" is offensive to men that are insecure about their size? Say I'm a man with a huge, massive dong. Say it's been a huge issue for me all my life. Let's say, hypothetically, that I am hugely insecure about the massive size of my dong and it's given me problems all my life. Every time I, hypothetically, go for a jog it's constantly flopping all over the place chaffing up my leg. Every time I have sex it's always this huge issue and only like half of the thing can go in before the receiver is like \"oh my god, stop, that's too much!\" Every time I receive oral sex, anything more than an inch beyond the tip causes a gag reflex. Does that sound exciting to you? Here you are bragging about your completely normal sized penis and all your normal sized penis sex and here this hypothetical person with a huge massive dong has all these issues. I can see how a hypothetical person with this debilitating issue would take offense that you take offense.",
">\n\nShe's an edgelord",
">\n\nreddit",
">\n\nSounds like a skill issue",
">\n\nDo you really get that offended? It's not like males themselves haven't sexualized females and their bodies and have said even worse and more common things about them? But we get offended over sum small? pun intended",
">\n\n“Some males have sexualized females therefore it’s fine for society to make fun of penis size.”",
">\n\nSociety? I don't see everyone (which represents society) doing it 😂 maybe you are focusing too much on negativity and that's all you see",
">\n\nSaying “small dick energy” is inherently a negative thing because it’s an insult. It also implies that there’s something bad about less endowed people because Tate is being compared to that demographic. \nWhen I say society, I mean that a decent percentage of people have “____ dick energy” built into their vocabulary to the point where the meaning of these terms is widely agreed on and it loses it’s direct connection to the penis. This doesn’t mean that the term is appropriate to use though since it originated from actual body shaming.",
">\n\nBattle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.",
">\n\nI think you should consider the situation at hand and less the use of insults as an absolute \nAndrew Tate absolutely deserves it",
">\n\nthe post its about the insult. \n\"Yeah I called this person a N... but lets focus on how bad that person is!!\"\nThe insult not only its very inflammatory (shows patriarcal estigmas,Its body shaming, reinforces toxic masculinity)\nIts also an extremely weak answer, its a groundless ad hominem. I would dare to argue the insult talks more about breta and his internalized toxic patriarcal estigmas than anything against tate.",
">\n\nGreta didn't start this. He was harassing her.",
">\n\n\"He started it\" -That's a toddler's excuse lmao",
">\n\nSo, in your opinion, Greta would have insulted him whether he had harassed her first, or not?",
">\n\nHer insulting him isn't the problem here. Its how she insulted him that's problematic."
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I'm not defending him or saying his feelings are hurt or that he doesn't deserve the insult. You're completely missing the point of this post and what we've been discussing.
"Body shaming is acceptable when it's directed at people we don't like"- this is the hypocrisy that's being pointed out. It's not about who's better Tate or Greta but it's the bigger issue of shaming men's insecurities without any regard to their mental health. Do you get it now?
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"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult.",
">\n\nIt's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh.",
">\n\nHonestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV",
">\n\nPeople can make mistakes and this was one of them.. so we can all just criticize her reply fairly and move on. No need for acute mental gymnastics to defend her as this comments section is showing lmao.",
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">\n\nI don't think anyone is arguing it's not offensive. I'm pretty sure she was trying to offend insecure men. Apparently with great success.",
">\n\nShe was trying to offend men who were insecure about their body image?\nHow is that not body shaming?",
">\n\nIt is, but we playing the avoidance and rationalization game",
">\n\nbecause women invented \"small dick energy\"\nharsh, sad. but we go jim🗿",
">\n\nOP never mentioned women tho. Post is strictly about why it's offensive. Do you disagree that it's not offensive or you think it's a trivial matter to make fun of that men's mental health doesn't matter as much?",
">\n\nThe female equivalent is\n\"Loose Pussy Energy\".\nThe typical man-hate hypocrisy commonly going around is beyond obvious. And it is an attack on All men and boys not just some.",
">\n\nNot a disagreement per se, but also worth noting that it’s transphobic. Which is to say, it insults all men by reinforcing patriarchy and punching down to two groups of men.",
">\n\nShe said small dick energy. Not that he had a small dick (though, come on). She used that phrase BECAUSE it's Tate. She's not a moron.\nHe is, as evidenced by his life to this point and his two responses to Thunberg, which were epically pathetic, is a moron and didn't seem to get it, though he doesn't get a lot.",
">\n\nThis is worse than saying he has a small dick, because how would she know, and that would just be dismissed as stupid.\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\nI can't understand the mental gymnastics some people are doing to try and say this isn't body shaming.",
">\n\n\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\n\nI mean yeah -- kind of like how pussy is an insult denoting cowardice, cunt is an insult meaning basically, terrible, etc., \nShe used that on purpose. Are you making CMV every time you see someone calling someone else a pussy?",
">\n\nPussy is kind of already known to be a shitty gendered insult so it doesn't need a CMV. In this case, Greta's gendered \"having a small penis is bad\" tweet is massively amplified, reached r/all on a shitload of subs, etc. so some discussion about whether or not that is cool is warranted",
">\n\nSmall dick energy isn’t about having a small dick tho. It’s a reflection of an attitude that men who are offensive, aggressive, nasty to people are overcompensating for their insecurities. A small dick doesn’t mean you won’t be able to find a partner or that you’re any less of a man. Being a downright trash bag of a human to others, like in this instance where an internet edgelord is cyber bullying a teenager on the internet who is fighting for the survival of our planet/humanity is an example of this trash behavior, is more of a determining factor. \nYou can also have a small dick but have big dick energy, as it’s reflective of who you are as a person. It’s an attitude. It’s who you choose to be to yourself and others. Hell, there’s women who use the term that they have big dick energy and I can tell you those women’s dicks are none existent so therefore size isn’t a thing. \nNo one should be made fun of for something they had no control over. The worth of a man is not tied to the size of his penis. Although, toxic masculinity and shallow people will tell you different. They say the same for disabled people, fat people etc. There’s plenty of people who are not “conventional standards of beauty” which is the majority of us, that lead happy, healthy relationships. Those relationships start with yourself and understanding your worth as a person isn’t tied to what you look like or how big your junk is. \nThe point is if you choose to be a trash person like Tate, where your self worth is tied into how cruel/offensive you can be to other people, don’t be mad if people call you out for that trashy attitude. Your post definitely reeks of “men are the true victims” when clearly you didn’t seem to have a problem with a grown man cyber bullying a teenager.",
">\n\nI like how you imply that OP is a fan of a literal human trafficker because they point out that a body-shaming insult is body-shaming. Do you understand why associating a trait of someone's body with negative personality traits is bad?",
">\n\nNo because people like this always have exceptions that allow them to use the things they complain about. Cognitive gymnastics allows them to recognise shaming women and people of colour is bad, because society will eat them otherwise, but when someone shows up who deserves a bit of a roasting all of their social etiquette rules go out the window and the excuses come out as to why in this context it doesn't count.\n\"Ahh no, here it is a reflection of an attitude\" blah blah 3 paragraphs later and we've clouded over the simple fact that body shaming is body shaming and harms people you weren't intending to insult.",
">\n\nPeople like this? You’re assuming things about me because I am a character in your mind not a real person. I am not a monolith. We should not be body shaming people. I am explaining the other side of this issue and why people use these terms. You never asked if I use these same terms in my life. You assumed I do. I don’t. You didn’t even bother to read my response because if you did you would have realized this.",
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">\n\nYou can have smol pp but big pp energy and vice versa",
">\n\nSo why is the phrase small dick energy if it has nothing to do with having a small dick?",
">\n\nIdk man, I just work here.",
">\n\nYou know why. Lol cause small dick is associated with bad. And by insulting dicks you use this knowledge to offend, at the cost of body shaming people. \nStop feigning dumb just to avoid the reasoning lol",
">\n\nI can see how it would be offensive, and I wouldn’t use it myself. I feel like the phrase refers more to how someone acts as opposed to how they are endowed. And how it’s behavior and actions that make people think down of you not your penis.",
">\n\nPoint is that we, as a society, should encourage better insults that attack the comments of the person without necessarily having to equate it to something someone with a small dick.",
">\n\nWould you agree with me, that if Andrew clapped back with one of those that the internet would be up in arms about it?",
">\n\nYou mean the way that you are, here, on the internet, up in arms?",
">\n\nIm one person on reddit, theres no major backlash like there would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\nSee, what's happening here is that you are also looking at people who are \"one person on Reddit\" and pretending it's a major backlash. Andrew Tate says fucked up things about women all the time (in fact, it's kind of his whole schtick) and it's as much of a non-event as this is.",
">\n\nPlease link me to something fucked up hes said about women, and ill agree with you, two wrongs don't make a right.",
">\n\nHere's exhibit A.",
">\n\nSure I agree with you he has said fucked up stuff about women, it doesn't mean its okay to make a joke about small dick energy.\nDo you understand my point?",
">\n\nWe understand, it's just that your point is fucking stupid",
">\n\nYou have no idea what his point is, it's funny that people on this thread OP and others actually like Andrew Tate.\nIt proves that everyone is completely frothingly tribalistic with zero nuance.",
">\n\nIf someone is behaving insufferably, people are going to laugh at them for things that they wouldn’t find funny if it happened to someone they liked.\nFor example, is it funny when people go bankrupt? No. Would it be funny if someone like Andrew Tate went bankrupt after boasting about Bugattis and all of his mass wealth? Yes. This doesn’t mean people who would make fun of him for that are making fun of poverty or all people who lose their livelihoods, it would just be funny if it happened to that particular person. \nIn the same way, the idea that Tate does all the douchey, over the top macho things that he does in order to compensate for having a small penis is funny, whilst it not being funny to make fun of every person who has a small penis.",
">\n\nSubstitute fat. Is that ok?",
">\n\nDepends on what the fat person is doing. If the person is minding their own business then no, if the fat person is attacking other people’s appearances then yeah go for it.",
">\n\nInteresting take. Might want to play with that a bit. A lot of situations where your reasoning falls apart.",
">\n\nPeople insulted Trump for being fat when he tried to say he was like the most fit person ever. People make fun of Elon Musk's body. You can make the same type of insult to two different people and it come off two different ways. \nWhen you make your identity or argument around something it opens up certain insults and comebacks. \nTate's whole thing is trying to act like this \"alpha male\" when in reality he's a sex trafficking weirdo who pays women to hang out with him. It's totally fine to insult him with a childish insult. \nI also find that people worried or mad about this don't actually care about body image issues. They just want a gotcha moment for people. Because many would have shitty takes about fat people or whine about pc culture.",
">\n\nWhen you call some MF that doesn't necessarily mean you are a MF... I'm not saying it's okay to say abusing words but we still do use them.\nI don't think she said it in literal terms, it was completely literary. Also she only said it cause it was Tate who she said it to. Also if a woman has small tits and someone said to someone else that they have small tits energy, I don't think one who actually has small tits would mind it, cause she is not involved and it's kinda perfect way of irritating Tate.. cause he really cares about these things. \nWhen it comes to increasing the insecurity of someone who actually has small D and is insecure about it... She couldn't think so far cause all she wanted was to irritate Tate and she was successful",
">\n\nI don't think it even irritated him if that was her goal but definitely helped him with popularity. It just proves what he says people think of insecure men, it just moves them to him and he gains more influence. It was an ignorant reply in poor taste. Someone with much following and influence as Greta shouldn't be as irresponsible and the followers shouldn't be having to do mental gymnastics to defend her instead of seeing it as it is: body shaming against men.",
">\n\nIs this some kind of weird meta-game? Are Andrew Tate fans pretending to actually be offended by this stupid insult to prove a point? Does anybody actually think her retort was any sharper than a brick wrapped in a wet blanket?\nWhat is going on here?!",
">\n\n\nWhat is going on here?!\n\nAndrew Tate fans have a lot of small dick energy. That's whats going on.",
">\n\nWhy are people not allowed dislike tate (he's an absolute idiot and a grifter) and also to criticize obvious body shaming from a supposed progressive? If Biden started talking about \"N*gger energy\" criticizing Kanye for antisemitism, would that be ok in your eyes? Would you say that a black guy who doesn't like that must be an angry Kanye fan? Or is it disgustingly offensive towards all African Americans to use that type of language no matter what?",
">\n\nBecause it suits their narrative to frame it as if people are just defending tate. It's easier than just actually defending body shaming. Done deal.",
">\n\nI think Greta used that phrase not because she actually believes or wants to promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior, but because people like Andrew Tate believe and promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior. If Andrew Tate gets hurt because Greta says he has small dick energy, then maybe -- just maybe, with the tiniest bit of introspection -- he'll come to realize how hateful some of his language is.\nBullies like Andrew Tate don't really respond to logic or pleas for sympathy. The only way to maybe make them understand the hurt they cause is to inflict it on them, because they don't care about anyone but themselves. \nSo instead of putting the cart before the horse and blaming Greta for using an offensive phrase as an argumentative tactic, maybe blame the people who use the phrase to actually demean people.",
">\n\nCan we substitute fat instead and be justified?",
">\n\nYes people did that with Trump when he claimed to be the fittest person ever basically. If someone has a habit of insulting people a certain way or making certain claims then they open themselves up to specific insults. \nSometimes we'd find those insults not tasteful if said to other people. But I feel like most people equating this to fat insults don't actually care about fat people. A lot of people would also be like oh things are getting too pc or soft or woke when it comes to body positivity towards fat people. So for me it's hard to buy this line of reasoning as being truly valid or caring.",
">\n\nNo one said it has to be authentic caring. This sub is for exploring the intellectual arguments. Your perception of how authentic someone’s feelings towards fat people is basically irrelevant. Argue the point or don’t. Passing your authenticity test is a wierd standard to try to argue for.",
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">\n\nYes, making insults is offensive. That's the point.\nInsults that reference a body part are also offensive to people who are insecure about that body part. That's also kinda obvious.\nWhat do you want your mind changed about here? I'm unclear about what you think can be discussed about an insult meant to be insulting. Are you arguing that this insult is especially wrong in some way?\nHow is this not just you soapboxing?",
">\n\nThere's a reason as a society we don't use insults like \"retard\". This is in the same vein. You're attributing a negative thing with a man having a small penis. This is harmful as it perpetuates the stigma surrounding penis size which is outside ones control. Essentially it degrades a group of people who have nothing to do with it. OP wants to know whether or not this is reconciled. Reading the comments... It has not been. \nMaking gendered insults doesn't bother me truthfully but I can understand the frustration OP is expressing because were it to be a man making some edgy reference to a woman's lady parts being inadequate as a way to demean them then everyone would be outraged as opposed to cheering it on.",
">\n\nUsing “small dick” as an insult, or “loose pussy” isn’t really offensive unless you are insecure about the physical viability of your reproductive organs. \nBut, that doesn’t make it funny. It’s a really juvenile and uncreative way of ridiculing someone.",
">\n\nInsecure women are offended when they're fat shamed.\nIt's still body shaming.\nIt's still wrong.",
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">\n\nGuy randomly decides to flex on her by saying I HAVE CARS AND I LIKE TO GO VROOOOM. It's like when Piers decides that it's absolutely important to eat meat in front of vegans. It's not about penis size. It's just that smalldickenergy is a perfect explanation of why would someone decide to behave like this.",
">\n\nShe is 19. Maybe in a few years she will have more mature insults. It’s a lot of pressure to be put on someone so young to also say the perfect thing all the time",
">\n\nUnder nearly all circumstances, I agree with you.\nHowever, for a lot of people who have built a cult of personality around any given ideal, insults of the inoffensive type are completely commonplace. All they have to do is fend off one or two instances of this PG rated attacks, strawman them, call them snowflakes, and their following is bolstered and enhanced. Instead of having any negative effect, it becomes part of their inherent power.\nSometimes if you want to rattle a cult leader you have to hit with precision their most critical weakness and watch them implode. The fact that Tate is squirming so hard and doing everything he can to reclaim some of his dignity after Greta's clapback means that she has his number. Great isn't saying that having a small dick is bad, but knowing that Tate's entire personality is built about being an alpha male and that calling into question the size of his member will hurt him the most is what she was after. \nOf course, it wasn't classy and could be offensive to some. But as the saying goes, sometimes you have to fight fire with fire.",
">\n\nReally is he squirming? \nHe's rich he's popular and now he's gotten someone he disagrees with to repeat his ideology and platform spreading it to a wider audience. \nI'd argue he's happy for the attention and popularity that she's given to him now and enjoying the increased sales in his business as more men who feel marginalized and left out join him seeing this hypocrisy playing out. Not to mention all the political players( internationally) who were against climate action seeing all this and aligning themselves appropriately, possibly propping him up and making him something more than what he actually is- An ignorant troll. \nEngage with a troll and you only give them more power. The tweet was dumb and people should know better.\nEdit: spacing",
">\n\nI'm not commenting on whether or not his fans will like him more or if the controversy will inadvertently grant him a wider audience. \nI'm commenting that Greta knew exactly where and how to hit him the hardest. Yes, he is definitely squirming. He has scrambled out half a dozen prepubescent \"I know you are but what am I\" tweets. Then he went and made the absolute cringiest response video. He's incensed by being talked down to by Greta and is overcompensating. \nDid her tweet have any net positive effect on society? No. Did it ruffle Tate's feathers and make his blood boil? Yea. Would he have even cared if she called him a misogynistic prick? Absolutely not. He would have just told her to sit down and shut up, that misogyny is made up by inferior women blah blah blah...\nInstead, his insecurities are eating him alive.",
">\n\nWhy even respond and give him attention that he so desperately craves? And why body shame men in the process? \nIf she didn't have a better insult she could have just went on with her life instead of helping him grow. Using \"small dick energy\" as an insult means implicitly we agree that people with small penises are inferior and undesirable. That's basically what Tate is on about ( Toxic masculinity). And by laughing at her tweet we all reinforce that perception. Do you get that? \nSick of double standards and hypocrisy. At least people should have the courage to own up and acknowledge it then move on instead of doubling down and performing mental gymnastics to justify an obvious case of body shaming.\nI agree with you on one thing that the net effect on society because of this tweet exchange is negative and only serves the people who Greta and her followers hate.",
">\n\nI think you are missing what I am saying. I fully agree that it wasn't necessary nor was it the right thing for Greta to do. I also agree that it just gives him attention and was overall a useless venture other for the entertainment of Tate haters.\nOP asked why it is okay. I stated that it isn't okay but that I understand why Greta took that road rather than the suggested non-offensive approach. It is because he's immune to it. What he isn't immune to is his masculinity and ego being questioned. What is the point of the Wolf continuing to blow on the brick house? None. To get to the scared little piggies inside he needs a jackhammer. \nAnd it worked exactly how she planned it to. He was rattled and anyone who hates Tate is amused. \nNot saying it's the right thing to do, nor do I want anyone to feel ashamed of the size of their penis.",
">\n\nOk.. thanks for elaborating on that. I misunderstood your comment as a disagreement and engaged to try and change your mind but seems we share the same view.",
">\n\nYou do not know what Greta is \"fully aware\" of. She is referring to character and behaviour, why are you taking this personally? She isn't speaking to you, hasn't seen you, doesn't know you. I don't know why you are externalizing your issue like this and waving it around in public, is it our responsibility to fix this for you?\nShe was just making a tiny joke. Relax. smalldickenergy @ getalife .com is hilarious.",
">\n\nAside from everything else, it's men who started the 'big dick energy' idiocy so to then complain when someone uses their own stupidity against them...",
">\n\nYeah because men are a monolith and we all meet in a room and know each other smh.",
">\n\nThey’re saying it’s offensive to more than just Andrew Tate",
">\n\nYeah but again, ISN'T THE PURPOSE",
">\n\nWhat do you mean again? You didn’t say that before. And why does the purpose matter? You can do a bad thing without meaning to.",
">\n\nI meant to say isn't that the purpose lol mb",
">\n\nOh lol I probably should have realized that. But I think the point of the insult was to offend Andrew Tate.",
">\n\nFair. Trying to not say anything about him one way or another so I don't get downvoted to hell.",
">\n\nGreta lost that argument. She literally has like a hundred things Tate has said and done she could attack. Easy target... The one thing she chose to do is to body shame the man. It's just name calling. It's not a refutation of Tate. If anything it makes her sound stupid for her inability to come up with a refutation.",
">\n\nExactly. But people are just cheering her on and laughing along without grasping the nuance of the situation.",
">\n\nI think you are kinda missing the point. People know it offensive. The issue is that they don't care.",
">\n\nPeople used to make fun of small tits all the time. Remember the 90s? Remember the itty bitty titty committee? I don't know if that's a thing any more, but skinny women with no butts are definitely not seen as attractive. It's not fair. It's not their fault. People need to stop shaming themselves and eachother, and accept all bodies. Until then, \"small dick energy\" won't cease to be an insult. I guess the difference is people are sort of \"punching up\" since it's always been people with dicks who have the power in this world. I've never heard a dude say that another dude has \"small dick energy.\" It's always a woman saying that. Either way I think it's dumb but I get it. I've always thought \"Karen\" was a dumb insult too. Not someone's fault they were named Karen, LOL.",
">\n\nAndrew insulted her. He was asking for this insult. She was totally in the right. She wasn’t trying to shame anyone else. You’re asking for this insult too.",
">\n\nIsn't it more offensive for small pp folk, that there is a guy who base his entire existence on top of an argument that being an alpha, prime male is the most important thing in the world, and you need to be a testosterone bomb gorilla to have any kind of value. Isn't that argument disregards small dick guys in the first place?",
">\n\nAnd Greta just reinforced it with her reply. Do you see the problem now?\nEdit:replaced \"comment\" with \"reply\"",
">\n\nI believe I've already made a statement about what the problem is.",
">\n\nThen do you understand why Greta's reply is offensive and playing into Andrew Tate's hands?",
">\n\nLol this is twitter. There is no playing into each other's hands. Get outside.",
">\n\nOh look. Greta is human. Someone who spent a lot of her growing up time trying to educate people.\nIf she was in a bar and some doofus made a pass, she's just asserting herself. Age and context. Good on her.",
">\n\nIt is actually been studied. Men with small penises actually do have less energy- testosterone or something.",
">\n\nBeing offended by anything is each person's individual choice. If something is offensive to you, then simply choose to not be offended by it. It's truly that simple.",
">\n\nSo there is no such thing as hate speech?",
">\n\nNo, I didn't say that. Someone can certainly say something to someone that they hate with words that they feel will harm them mentally. That is \"hate speech\". The point I was trying to make is that we all as individuals have the choice to react to whatever someone says in whatever way we choose to react. If I feel offended by something that someone is saying, it is my choice to be offended by it.",
">\n\nI pretty much agree, but now we come to who decides. Does the person doing the talking decide whether it is hate speech? Or the person being talked at?",
">\n\nThere is no decision. The person who is talking thinks that what they are saying is not hateful, or they do. The person being talked at thinks that what the other person is saying is hateful, or they don't. The point is that it only matters if you make it matter to you. For example, if I say you are the dumbest person on earth, am I committing the crime of hate speech? Are you the dumbest person on earth? Probably not. But maybe I believe that you are. Does that make it true? If so, then it's not hate speech it's the truth...to me. If you, personally, believe that you are not the dumbest person on earth, then why would you concern yourself with what my dumbass has to say? To you, I'm the dumbest person on earth. I hope I'm getting my point across here.",
">\n\nSo we agree then? No laws regarding hate speech at all. You just ignore it and move on.",
">\n\nYes, sir.",
">\n\nYup",
">\n\nWhat if I say that I am offended that you are offended that you say \"small dick energy\" is offensive to men that are insecure about their size? Say I'm a man with a huge, massive dong. Say it's been a huge issue for me all my life. Let's say, hypothetically, that I am hugely insecure about the massive size of my dong and it's given me problems all my life. Every time I, hypothetically, go for a jog it's constantly flopping all over the place chaffing up my leg. Every time I have sex it's always this huge issue and only like half of the thing can go in before the receiver is like \"oh my god, stop, that's too much!\" Every time I receive oral sex, anything more than an inch beyond the tip causes a gag reflex. Does that sound exciting to you? Here you are bragging about your completely normal sized penis and all your normal sized penis sex and here this hypothetical person with a huge massive dong has all these issues. I can see how a hypothetical person with this debilitating issue would take offense that you take offense.",
">\n\nShe's an edgelord",
">\n\nreddit",
">\n\nSounds like a skill issue",
">\n\nDo you really get that offended? It's not like males themselves haven't sexualized females and their bodies and have said even worse and more common things about them? But we get offended over sum small? pun intended",
">\n\n“Some males have sexualized females therefore it’s fine for society to make fun of penis size.”",
">\n\nSociety? I don't see everyone (which represents society) doing it 😂 maybe you are focusing too much on negativity and that's all you see",
">\n\nSaying “small dick energy” is inherently a negative thing because it’s an insult. It also implies that there’s something bad about less endowed people because Tate is being compared to that demographic. \nWhen I say society, I mean that a decent percentage of people have “____ dick energy” built into their vocabulary to the point where the meaning of these terms is widely agreed on and it loses it’s direct connection to the penis. This doesn’t mean that the term is appropriate to use though since it originated from actual body shaming.",
">\n\nBattle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.",
">\n\nI think you should consider the situation at hand and less the use of insults as an absolute \nAndrew Tate absolutely deserves it",
">\n\nthe post its about the insult. \n\"Yeah I called this person a N... but lets focus on how bad that person is!!\"\nThe insult not only its very inflammatory (shows patriarcal estigmas,Its body shaming, reinforces toxic masculinity)\nIts also an extremely weak answer, its a groundless ad hominem. I would dare to argue the insult talks more about breta and his internalized toxic patriarcal estigmas than anything against tate.",
">\n\nGreta didn't start this. He was harassing her.",
">\n\n\"He started it\" -That's a toddler's excuse lmao",
">\n\nSo, in your opinion, Greta would have insulted him whether he had harassed her first, or not?",
">\n\nHer insulting him isn't the problem here. Its how she insulted him that's problematic.",
">\n\nWell, if he didn't want to be insulted, he could've done pretty much anything else with his time. I love the way you think people should be able to gatekeep how other people should hurt the feelings of people who are harassing them."
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I think I do. It hadn't occurred to me that you might have a small penis. My apologies. Perhaps just as Greta Thurnberg travels the world as an advocate for awareness of Climate Change, you can break down the stereotype that people with small penises have energy. You should probably do as little as possible, though, since you don't want to be accused of having "energy."
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"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult.",
">\n\nIt's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh.",
">\n\nHonestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV",
">\n\nPeople can make mistakes and this was one of them.. so we can all just criticize her reply fairly and move on. No need for acute mental gymnastics to defend her as this comments section is showing lmao.",
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">\n\nI don't think anyone is arguing it's not offensive. I'm pretty sure she was trying to offend insecure men. Apparently with great success.",
">\n\nShe was trying to offend men who were insecure about their body image?\nHow is that not body shaming?",
">\n\nIt is, but we playing the avoidance and rationalization game",
">\n\nbecause women invented \"small dick energy\"\nharsh, sad. but we go jim🗿",
">\n\nOP never mentioned women tho. Post is strictly about why it's offensive. Do you disagree that it's not offensive or you think it's a trivial matter to make fun of that men's mental health doesn't matter as much?",
">\n\nThe female equivalent is\n\"Loose Pussy Energy\".\nThe typical man-hate hypocrisy commonly going around is beyond obvious. And it is an attack on All men and boys not just some.",
">\n\nNot a disagreement per se, but also worth noting that it’s transphobic. Which is to say, it insults all men by reinforcing patriarchy and punching down to two groups of men.",
">\n\nShe said small dick energy. Not that he had a small dick (though, come on). She used that phrase BECAUSE it's Tate. She's not a moron.\nHe is, as evidenced by his life to this point and his two responses to Thunberg, which were epically pathetic, is a moron and didn't seem to get it, though he doesn't get a lot.",
">\n\nThis is worse than saying he has a small dick, because how would she know, and that would just be dismissed as stupid.\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\nI can't understand the mental gymnastics some people are doing to try and say this isn't body shaming.",
">\n\n\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\n\nI mean yeah -- kind of like how pussy is an insult denoting cowardice, cunt is an insult meaning basically, terrible, etc., \nShe used that on purpose. Are you making CMV every time you see someone calling someone else a pussy?",
">\n\nPussy is kind of already known to be a shitty gendered insult so it doesn't need a CMV. In this case, Greta's gendered \"having a small penis is bad\" tweet is massively amplified, reached r/all on a shitload of subs, etc. so some discussion about whether or not that is cool is warranted",
">\n\nSmall dick energy isn’t about having a small dick tho. It’s a reflection of an attitude that men who are offensive, aggressive, nasty to people are overcompensating for their insecurities. A small dick doesn’t mean you won’t be able to find a partner or that you’re any less of a man. Being a downright trash bag of a human to others, like in this instance where an internet edgelord is cyber bullying a teenager on the internet who is fighting for the survival of our planet/humanity is an example of this trash behavior, is more of a determining factor. \nYou can also have a small dick but have big dick energy, as it’s reflective of who you are as a person. It’s an attitude. It’s who you choose to be to yourself and others. Hell, there’s women who use the term that they have big dick energy and I can tell you those women’s dicks are none existent so therefore size isn’t a thing. \nNo one should be made fun of for something they had no control over. The worth of a man is not tied to the size of his penis. Although, toxic masculinity and shallow people will tell you different. They say the same for disabled people, fat people etc. There’s plenty of people who are not “conventional standards of beauty” which is the majority of us, that lead happy, healthy relationships. Those relationships start with yourself and understanding your worth as a person isn’t tied to what you look like or how big your junk is. \nThe point is if you choose to be a trash person like Tate, where your self worth is tied into how cruel/offensive you can be to other people, don’t be mad if people call you out for that trashy attitude. Your post definitely reeks of “men are the true victims” when clearly you didn’t seem to have a problem with a grown man cyber bullying a teenager.",
">\n\nI like how you imply that OP is a fan of a literal human trafficker because they point out that a body-shaming insult is body-shaming. Do you understand why associating a trait of someone's body with negative personality traits is bad?",
">\n\nNo because people like this always have exceptions that allow them to use the things they complain about. Cognitive gymnastics allows them to recognise shaming women and people of colour is bad, because society will eat them otherwise, but when someone shows up who deserves a bit of a roasting all of their social etiquette rules go out the window and the excuses come out as to why in this context it doesn't count.\n\"Ahh no, here it is a reflection of an attitude\" blah blah 3 paragraphs later and we've clouded over the simple fact that body shaming is body shaming and harms people you weren't intending to insult.",
">\n\nPeople like this? You’re assuming things about me because I am a character in your mind not a real person. I am not a monolith. We should not be body shaming people. I am explaining the other side of this issue and why people use these terms. You never asked if I use these same terms in my life. You assumed I do. I don’t. You didn’t even bother to read my response because if you did you would have realized this.",
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">\n\nYou can have smol pp but big pp energy and vice versa",
">\n\nSo why is the phrase small dick energy if it has nothing to do with having a small dick?",
">\n\nIdk man, I just work here.",
">\n\nYou know why. Lol cause small dick is associated with bad. And by insulting dicks you use this knowledge to offend, at the cost of body shaming people. \nStop feigning dumb just to avoid the reasoning lol",
">\n\nI can see how it would be offensive, and I wouldn’t use it myself. I feel like the phrase refers more to how someone acts as opposed to how they are endowed. And how it’s behavior and actions that make people think down of you not your penis.",
">\n\nPoint is that we, as a society, should encourage better insults that attack the comments of the person without necessarily having to equate it to something someone with a small dick.",
">\n\nWould you agree with me, that if Andrew clapped back with one of those that the internet would be up in arms about it?",
">\n\nYou mean the way that you are, here, on the internet, up in arms?",
">\n\nIm one person on reddit, theres no major backlash like there would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\nSee, what's happening here is that you are also looking at people who are \"one person on Reddit\" and pretending it's a major backlash. Andrew Tate says fucked up things about women all the time (in fact, it's kind of his whole schtick) and it's as much of a non-event as this is.",
">\n\nPlease link me to something fucked up hes said about women, and ill agree with you, two wrongs don't make a right.",
">\n\nHere's exhibit A.",
">\n\nSure I agree with you he has said fucked up stuff about women, it doesn't mean its okay to make a joke about small dick energy.\nDo you understand my point?",
">\n\nWe understand, it's just that your point is fucking stupid",
">\n\nYou have no idea what his point is, it's funny that people on this thread OP and others actually like Andrew Tate.\nIt proves that everyone is completely frothingly tribalistic with zero nuance.",
">\n\nIf someone is behaving insufferably, people are going to laugh at them for things that they wouldn’t find funny if it happened to someone they liked.\nFor example, is it funny when people go bankrupt? No. Would it be funny if someone like Andrew Tate went bankrupt after boasting about Bugattis and all of his mass wealth? Yes. This doesn’t mean people who would make fun of him for that are making fun of poverty or all people who lose their livelihoods, it would just be funny if it happened to that particular person. \nIn the same way, the idea that Tate does all the douchey, over the top macho things that he does in order to compensate for having a small penis is funny, whilst it not being funny to make fun of every person who has a small penis.",
">\n\nSubstitute fat. Is that ok?",
">\n\nDepends on what the fat person is doing. If the person is minding their own business then no, if the fat person is attacking other people’s appearances then yeah go for it.",
">\n\nInteresting take. Might want to play with that a bit. A lot of situations where your reasoning falls apart.",
">\n\nPeople insulted Trump for being fat when he tried to say he was like the most fit person ever. People make fun of Elon Musk's body. You can make the same type of insult to two different people and it come off two different ways. \nWhen you make your identity or argument around something it opens up certain insults and comebacks. \nTate's whole thing is trying to act like this \"alpha male\" when in reality he's a sex trafficking weirdo who pays women to hang out with him. It's totally fine to insult him with a childish insult. \nI also find that people worried or mad about this don't actually care about body image issues. They just want a gotcha moment for people. Because many would have shitty takes about fat people or whine about pc culture.",
">\n\nWhen you call some MF that doesn't necessarily mean you are a MF... I'm not saying it's okay to say abusing words but we still do use them.\nI don't think she said it in literal terms, it was completely literary. Also she only said it cause it was Tate who she said it to. Also if a woman has small tits and someone said to someone else that they have small tits energy, I don't think one who actually has small tits would mind it, cause she is not involved and it's kinda perfect way of irritating Tate.. cause he really cares about these things. \nWhen it comes to increasing the insecurity of someone who actually has small D and is insecure about it... She couldn't think so far cause all she wanted was to irritate Tate and she was successful",
">\n\nI don't think it even irritated him if that was her goal but definitely helped him with popularity. It just proves what he says people think of insecure men, it just moves them to him and he gains more influence. It was an ignorant reply in poor taste. Someone with much following and influence as Greta shouldn't be as irresponsible and the followers shouldn't be having to do mental gymnastics to defend her instead of seeing it as it is: body shaming against men.",
">\n\nIs this some kind of weird meta-game? Are Andrew Tate fans pretending to actually be offended by this stupid insult to prove a point? Does anybody actually think her retort was any sharper than a brick wrapped in a wet blanket?\nWhat is going on here?!",
">\n\n\nWhat is going on here?!\n\nAndrew Tate fans have a lot of small dick energy. That's whats going on.",
">\n\nWhy are people not allowed dislike tate (he's an absolute idiot and a grifter) and also to criticize obvious body shaming from a supposed progressive? If Biden started talking about \"N*gger energy\" criticizing Kanye for antisemitism, would that be ok in your eyes? Would you say that a black guy who doesn't like that must be an angry Kanye fan? Or is it disgustingly offensive towards all African Americans to use that type of language no matter what?",
">\n\nBecause it suits their narrative to frame it as if people are just defending tate. It's easier than just actually defending body shaming. Done deal.",
">\n\nI think Greta used that phrase not because she actually believes or wants to promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior, but because people like Andrew Tate believe and promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior. If Andrew Tate gets hurt because Greta says he has small dick energy, then maybe -- just maybe, with the tiniest bit of introspection -- he'll come to realize how hateful some of his language is.\nBullies like Andrew Tate don't really respond to logic or pleas for sympathy. The only way to maybe make them understand the hurt they cause is to inflict it on them, because they don't care about anyone but themselves. \nSo instead of putting the cart before the horse and blaming Greta for using an offensive phrase as an argumentative tactic, maybe blame the people who use the phrase to actually demean people.",
">\n\nCan we substitute fat instead and be justified?",
">\n\nYes people did that with Trump when he claimed to be the fittest person ever basically. If someone has a habit of insulting people a certain way or making certain claims then they open themselves up to specific insults. \nSometimes we'd find those insults not tasteful if said to other people. But I feel like most people equating this to fat insults don't actually care about fat people. A lot of people would also be like oh things are getting too pc or soft or woke when it comes to body positivity towards fat people. So for me it's hard to buy this line of reasoning as being truly valid or caring.",
">\n\nNo one said it has to be authentic caring. This sub is for exploring the intellectual arguments. Your perception of how authentic someone’s feelings towards fat people is basically irrelevant. Argue the point or don’t. Passing your authenticity test is a wierd standard to try to argue for.",
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">\n\nYes, making insults is offensive. That's the point.\nInsults that reference a body part are also offensive to people who are insecure about that body part. That's also kinda obvious.\nWhat do you want your mind changed about here? I'm unclear about what you think can be discussed about an insult meant to be insulting. Are you arguing that this insult is especially wrong in some way?\nHow is this not just you soapboxing?",
">\n\nThere's a reason as a society we don't use insults like \"retard\". This is in the same vein. You're attributing a negative thing with a man having a small penis. This is harmful as it perpetuates the stigma surrounding penis size which is outside ones control. Essentially it degrades a group of people who have nothing to do with it. OP wants to know whether or not this is reconciled. Reading the comments... It has not been. \nMaking gendered insults doesn't bother me truthfully but I can understand the frustration OP is expressing because were it to be a man making some edgy reference to a woman's lady parts being inadequate as a way to demean them then everyone would be outraged as opposed to cheering it on.",
">\n\nUsing “small dick” as an insult, or “loose pussy” isn’t really offensive unless you are insecure about the physical viability of your reproductive organs. \nBut, that doesn’t make it funny. It’s a really juvenile and uncreative way of ridiculing someone.",
">\n\nInsecure women are offended when they're fat shamed.\nIt's still body shaming.\nIt's still wrong.",
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">\n\nGuy randomly decides to flex on her by saying I HAVE CARS AND I LIKE TO GO VROOOOM. It's like when Piers decides that it's absolutely important to eat meat in front of vegans. It's not about penis size. It's just that smalldickenergy is a perfect explanation of why would someone decide to behave like this.",
">\n\nShe is 19. Maybe in a few years she will have more mature insults. It’s a lot of pressure to be put on someone so young to also say the perfect thing all the time",
">\n\nUnder nearly all circumstances, I agree with you.\nHowever, for a lot of people who have built a cult of personality around any given ideal, insults of the inoffensive type are completely commonplace. All they have to do is fend off one or two instances of this PG rated attacks, strawman them, call them snowflakes, and their following is bolstered and enhanced. Instead of having any negative effect, it becomes part of their inherent power.\nSometimes if you want to rattle a cult leader you have to hit with precision their most critical weakness and watch them implode. The fact that Tate is squirming so hard and doing everything he can to reclaim some of his dignity after Greta's clapback means that she has his number. Great isn't saying that having a small dick is bad, but knowing that Tate's entire personality is built about being an alpha male and that calling into question the size of his member will hurt him the most is what she was after. \nOf course, it wasn't classy and could be offensive to some. But as the saying goes, sometimes you have to fight fire with fire.",
">\n\nReally is he squirming? \nHe's rich he's popular and now he's gotten someone he disagrees with to repeat his ideology and platform spreading it to a wider audience. \nI'd argue he's happy for the attention and popularity that she's given to him now and enjoying the increased sales in his business as more men who feel marginalized and left out join him seeing this hypocrisy playing out. Not to mention all the political players( internationally) who were against climate action seeing all this and aligning themselves appropriately, possibly propping him up and making him something more than what he actually is- An ignorant troll. \nEngage with a troll and you only give them more power. The tweet was dumb and people should know better.\nEdit: spacing",
">\n\nI'm not commenting on whether or not his fans will like him more or if the controversy will inadvertently grant him a wider audience. \nI'm commenting that Greta knew exactly where and how to hit him the hardest. Yes, he is definitely squirming. He has scrambled out half a dozen prepubescent \"I know you are but what am I\" tweets. Then he went and made the absolute cringiest response video. He's incensed by being talked down to by Greta and is overcompensating. \nDid her tweet have any net positive effect on society? No. Did it ruffle Tate's feathers and make his blood boil? Yea. Would he have even cared if she called him a misogynistic prick? Absolutely not. He would have just told her to sit down and shut up, that misogyny is made up by inferior women blah blah blah...\nInstead, his insecurities are eating him alive.",
">\n\nWhy even respond and give him attention that he so desperately craves? And why body shame men in the process? \nIf she didn't have a better insult she could have just went on with her life instead of helping him grow. Using \"small dick energy\" as an insult means implicitly we agree that people with small penises are inferior and undesirable. That's basically what Tate is on about ( Toxic masculinity). And by laughing at her tweet we all reinforce that perception. Do you get that? \nSick of double standards and hypocrisy. At least people should have the courage to own up and acknowledge it then move on instead of doubling down and performing mental gymnastics to justify an obvious case of body shaming.\nI agree with you on one thing that the net effect on society because of this tweet exchange is negative and only serves the people who Greta and her followers hate.",
">\n\nI think you are missing what I am saying. I fully agree that it wasn't necessary nor was it the right thing for Greta to do. I also agree that it just gives him attention and was overall a useless venture other for the entertainment of Tate haters.\nOP asked why it is okay. I stated that it isn't okay but that I understand why Greta took that road rather than the suggested non-offensive approach. It is because he's immune to it. What he isn't immune to is his masculinity and ego being questioned. What is the point of the Wolf continuing to blow on the brick house? None. To get to the scared little piggies inside he needs a jackhammer. \nAnd it worked exactly how she planned it to. He was rattled and anyone who hates Tate is amused. \nNot saying it's the right thing to do, nor do I want anyone to feel ashamed of the size of their penis.",
">\n\nOk.. thanks for elaborating on that. I misunderstood your comment as a disagreement and engaged to try and change your mind but seems we share the same view.",
">\n\nYou do not know what Greta is \"fully aware\" of. She is referring to character and behaviour, why are you taking this personally? She isn't speaking to you, hasn't seen you, doesn't know you. I don't know why you are externalizing your issue like this and waving it around in public, is it our responsibility to fix this for you?\nShe was just making a tiny joke. Relax. smalldickenergy @ getalife .com is hilarious.",
">\n\nAside from everything else, it's men who started the 'big dick energy' idiocy so to then complain when someone uses their own stupidity against them...",
">\n\nYeah because men are a monolith and we all meet in a room and know each other smh.",
">\n\nThey’re saying it’s offensive to more than just Andrew Tate",
">\n\nYeah but again, ISN'T THE PURPOSE",
">\n\nWhat do you mean again? You didn’t say that before. And why does the purpose matter? You can do a bad thing without meaning to.",
">\n\nI meant to say isn't that the purpose lol mb",
">\n\nOh lol I probably should have realized that. But I think the point of the insult was to offend Andrew Tate.",
">\n\nFair. Trying to not say anything about him one way or another so I don't get downvoted to hell.",
">\n\nGreta lost that argument. She literally has like a hundred things Tate has said and done she could attack. Easy target... The one thing she chose to do is to body shame the man. It's just name calling. It's not a refutation of Tate. If anything it makes her sound stupid for her inability to come up with a refutation.",
">\n\nExactly. But people are just cheering her on and laughing along without grasping the nuance of the situation.",
">\n\nI think you are kinda missing the point. People know it offensive. The issue is that they don't care.",
">\n\nPeople used to make fun of small tits all the time. Remember the 90s? Remember the itty bitty titty committee? I don't know if that's a thing any more, but skinny women with no butts are definitely not seen as attractive. It's not fair. It's not their fault. People need to stop shaming themselves and eachother, and accept all bodies. Until then, \"small dick energy\" won't cease to be an insult. I guess the difference is people are sort of \"punching up\" since it's always been people with dicks who have the power in this world. I've never heard a dude say that another dude has \"small dick energy.\" It's always a woman saying that. Either way I think it's dumb but I get it. I've always thought \"Karen\" was a dumb insult too. Not someone's fault they were named Karen, LOL.",
">\n\nAndrew insulted her. He was asking for this insult. She was totally in the right. She wasn’t trying to shame anyone else. You’re asking for this insult too.",
">\n\nIsn't it more offensive for small pp folk, that there is a guy who base his entire existence on top of an argument that being an alpha, prime male is the most important thing in the world, and you need to be a testosterone bomb gorilla to have any kind of value. Isn't that argument disregards small dick guys in the first place?",
">\n\nAnd Greta just reinforced it with her reply. Do you see the problem now?\nEdit:replaced \"comment\" with \"reply\"",
">\n\nI believe I've already made a statement about what the problem is.",
">\n\nThen do you understand why Greta's reply is offensive and playing into Andrew Tate's hands?",
">\n\nLol this is twitter. There is no playing into each other's hands. Get outside.",
">\n\nOh look. Greta is human. Someone who spent a lot of her growing up time trying to educate people.\nIf she was in a bar and some doofus made a pass, she's just asserting herself. Age and context. Good on her.",
">\n\nIt is actually been studied. Men with small penises actually do have less energy- testosterone or something.",
">\n\nBeing offended by anything is each person's individual choice. If something is offensive to you, then simply choose to not be offended by it. It's truly that simple.",
">\n\nSo there is no such thing as hate speech?",
">\n\nNo, I didn't say that. Someone can certainly say something to someone that they hate with words that they feel will harm them mentally. That is \"hate speech\". The point I was trying to make is that we all as individuals have the choice to react to whatever someone says in whatever way we choose to react. If I feel offended by something that someone is saying, it is my choice to be offended by it.",
">\n\nI pretty much agree, but now we come to who decides. Does the person doing the talking decide whether it is hate speech? Or the person being talked at?",
">\n\nThere is no decision. The person who is talking thinks that what they are saying is not hateful, or they do. The person being talked at thinks that what the other person is saying is hateful, or they don't. The point is that it only matters if you make it matter to you. For example, if I say you are the dumbest person on earth, am I committing the crime of hate speech? Are you the dumbest person on earth? Probably not. But maybe I believe that you are. Does that make it true? If so, then it's not hate speech it's the truth...to me. If you, personally, believe that you are not the dumbest person on earth, then why would you concern yourself with what my dumbass has to say? To you, I'm the dumbest person on earth. I hope I'm getting my point across here.",
">\n\nSo we agree then? No laws regarding hate speech at all. You just ignore it and move on.",
">\n\nYes, sir.",
">\n\nYup",
">\n\nWhat if I say that I am offended that you are offended that you say \"small dick energy\" is offensive to men that are insecure about their size? Say I'm a man with a huge, massive dong. Say it's been a huge issue for me all my life. Let's say, hypothetically, that I am hugely insecure about the massive size of my dong and it's given me problems all my life. Every time I, hypothetically, go for a jog it's constantly flopping all over the place chaffing up my leg. Every time I have sex it's always this huge issue and only like half of the thing can go in before the receiver is like \"oh my god, stop, that's too much!\" Every time I receive oral sex, anything more than an inch beyond the tip causes a gag reflex. Does that sound exciting to you? Here you are bragging about your completely normal sized penis and all your normal sized penis sex and here this hypothetical person with a huge massive dong has all these issues. I can see how a hypothetical person with this debilitating issue would take offense that you take offense.",
">\n\nShe's an edgelord",
">\n\nreddit",
">\n\nSounds like a skill issue",
">\n\nDo you really get that offended? It's not like males themselves haven't sexualized females and their bodies and have said even worse and more common things about them? But we get offended over sum small? pun intended",
">\n\n“Some males have sexualized females therefore it’s fine for society to make fun of penis size.”",
">\n\nSociety? I don't see everyone (which represents society) doing it 😂 maybe you are focusing too much on negativity and that's all you see",
">\n\nSaying “small dick energy” is inherently a negative thing because it’s an insult. It also implies that there’s something bad about less endowed people because Tate is being compared to that demographic. \nWhen I say society, I mean that a decent percentage of people have “____ dick energy” built into their vocabulary to the point where the meaning of these terms is widely agreed on and it loses it’s direct connection to the penis. This doesn’t mean that the term is appropriate to use though since it originated from actual body shaming.",
">\n\nBattle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.",
">\n\nI think you should consider the situation at hand and less the use of insults as an absolute \nAndrew Tate absolutely deserves it",
">\n\nthe post its about the insult. \n\"Yeah I called this person a N... but lets focus on how bad that person is!!\"\nThe insult not only its very inflammatory (shows patriarcal estigmas,Its body shaming, reinforces toxic masculinity)\nIts also an extremely weak answer, its a groundless ad hominem. I would dare to argue the insult talks more about breta and his internalized toxic patriarcal estigmas than anything against tate.",
">\n\nGreta didn't start this. He was harassing her.",
">\n\n\"He started it\" -That's a toddler's excuse lmao",
">\n\nSo, in your opinion, Greta would have insulted him whether he had harassed her first, or not?",
">\n\nHer insulting him isn't the problem here. Its how she insulted him that's problematic.",
">\n\nWell, if he didn't want to be insulted, he could've done pretty much anything else with his time. I love the way you think people should be able to gatekeep how other people should hurt the feelings of people who are harassing them.",
">\n\nI'm not defending him or saying his feelings are hurt or that he doesn't deserve the insult. You're completely missing the point of this post and what we've been discussing. \n\"Body shaming is acceptable when it's directed at people we don't like\"- this is the hypocrisy that's being pointed out. It's not about who's better Tate or Greta but it's the bigger issue of shaming men's insecurities without any regard to their mental health. Do you get it now?"
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Wasted my time replying after your "he started it" comment smh. Toddler mentality gugu gaga talk to me after you understand the issue.
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"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult.",
">\n\nIt's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh.",
">\n\nHonestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV",
">\n\nPeople can make mistakes and this was one of them.. so we can all just criticize her reply fairly and move on. No need for acute mental gymnastics to defend her as this comments section is showing lmao.",
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">\n\nI don't think anyone is arguing it's not offensive. I'm pretty sure she was trying to offend insecure men. Apparently with great success.",
">\n\nShe was trying to offend men who were insecure about their body image?\nHow is that not body shaming?",
">\n\nIt is, but we playing the avoidance and rationalization game",
">\n\nbecause women invented \"small dick energy\"\nharsh, sad. but we go jim🗿",
">\n\nOP never mentioned women tho. Post is strictly about why it's offensive. Do you disagree that it's not offensive or you think it's a trivial matter to make fun of that men's mental health doesn't matter as much?",
">\n\nThe female equivalent is\n\"Loose Pussy Energy\".\nThe typical man-hate hypocrisy commonly going around is beyond obvious. And it is an attack on All men and boys not just some.",
">\n\nNot a disagreement per se, but also worth noting that it’s transphobic. Which is to say, it insults all men by reinforcing patriarchy and punching down to two groups of men.",
">\n\nShe said small dick energy. Not that he had a small dick (though, come on). She used that phrase BECAUSE it's Tate. She's not a moron.\nHe is, as evidenced by his life to this point and his two responses to Thunberg, which were epically pathetic, is a moron and didn't seem to get it, though he doesn't get a lot.",
">\n\nThis is worse than saying he has a small dick, because how would she know, and that would just be dismissed as stupid.\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\nI can't understand the mental gymnastics some people are doing to try and say this isn't body shaming.",
">\n\n\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\n\nI mean yeah -- kind of like how pussy is an insult denoting cowardice, cunt is an insult meaning basically, terrible, etc., \nShe used that on purpose. Are you making CMV every time you see someone calling someone else a pussy?",
">\n\nPussy is kind of already known to be a shitty gendered insult so it doesn't need a CMV. In this case, Greta's gendered \"having a small penis is bad\" tweet is massively amplified, reached r/all on a shitload of subs, etc. so some discussion about whether or not that is cool is warranted",
">\n\nSmall dick energy isn’t about having a small dick tho. It’s a reflection of an attitude that men who are offensive, aggressive, nasty to people are overcompensating for their insecurities. A small dick doesn’t mean you won’t be able to find a partner or that you’re any less of a man. Being a downright trash bag of a human to others, like in this instance where an internet edgelord is cyber bullying a teenager on the internet who is fighting for the survival of our planet/humanity is an example of this trash behavior, is more of a determining factor. \nYou can also have a small dick but have big dick energy, as it’s reflective of who you are as a person. It’s an attitude. It’s who you choose to be to yourself and others. Hell, there’s women who use the term that they have big dick energy and I can tell you those women’s dicks are none existent so therefore size isn’t a thing. \nNo one should be made fun of for something they had no control over. The worth of a man is not tied to the size of his penis. Although, toxic masculinity and shallow people will tell you different. They say the same for disabled people, fat people etc. There’s plenty of people who are not “conventional standards of beauty” which is the majority of us, that lead happy, healthy relationships. Those relationships start with yourself and understanding your worth as a person isn’t tied to what you look like or how big your junk is. \nThe point is if you choose to be a trash person like Tate, where your self worth is tied into how cruel/offensive you can be to other people, don’t be mad if people call you out for that trashy attitude. Your post definitely reeks of “men are the true victims” when clearly you didn’t seem to have a problem with a grown man cyber bullying a teenager.",
">\n\nI like how you imply that OP is a fan of a literal human trafficker because they point out that a body-shaming insult is body-shaming. Do you understand why associating a trait of someone's body with negative personality traits is bad?",
">\n\nNo because people like this always have exceptions that allow them to use the things they complain about. Cognitive gymnastics allows them to recognise shaming women and people of colour is bad, because society will eat them otherwise, but when someone shows up who deserves a bit of a roasting all of their social etiquette rules go out the window and the excuses come out as to why in this context it doesn't count.\n\"Ahh no, here it is a reflection of an attitude\" blah blah 3 paragraphs later and we've clouded over the simple fact that body shaming is body shaming and harms people you weren't intending to insult.",
">\n\nPeople like this? You’re assuming things about me because I am a character in your mind not a real person. I am not a monolith. We should not be body shaming people. I am explaining the other side of this issue and why people use these terms. You never asked if I use these same terms in my life. You assumed I do. I don’t. You didn’t even bother to read my response because if you did you would have realized this.",
">\n\nSorry, u/PrestigeWhirlWhy – your comment has been removed for breaking Rule 5: \n\nComments must contribute meaningfully to the conversation. \n\nComments should be on-topic, serious, and contain enough content to move the discussion forward. Jokes, contradictions without explanation, links without context, off-topic comments, and \"written upvotes\" will be removed. Read the wiki for more information. \nIf you would like to appeal, review our appeals process here, then message the moderators by clicking this link within one week of this notice being posted.",
">\n\nYou can have smol pp but big pp energy and vice versa",
">\n\nSo why is the phrase small dick energy if it has nothing to do with having a small dick?",
">\n\nIdk man, I just work here.",
">\n\nYou know why. Lol cause small dick is associated with bad. And by insulting dicks you use this knowledge to offend, at the cost of body shaming people. \nStop feigning dumb just to avoid the reasoning lol",
">\n\nI can see how it would be offensive, and I wouldn’t use it myself. I feel like the phrase refers more to how someone acts as opposed to how they are endowed. And how it’s behavior and actions that make people think down of you not your penis.",
">\n\nPoint is that we, as a society, should encourage better insults that attack the comments of the person without necessarily having to equate it to something someone with a small dick.",
">\n\nWould you agree with me, that if Andrew clapped back with one of those that the internet would be up in arms about it?",
">\n\nYou mean the way that you are, here, on the internet, up in arms?",
">\n\nIm one person on reddit, theres no major backlash like there would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\nSee, what's happening here is that you are also looking at people who are \"one person on Reddit\" and pretending it's a major backlash. Andrew Tate says fucked up things about women all the time (in fact, it's kind of his whole schtick) and it's as much of a non-event as this is.",
">\n\nPlease link me to something fucked up hes said about women, and ill agree with you, two wrongs don't make a right.",
">\n\nHere's exhibit A.",
">\n\nSure I agree with you he has said fucked up stuff about women, it doesn't mean its okay to make a joke about small dick energy.\nDo you understand my point?",
">\n\nWe understand, it's just that your point is fucking stupid",
">\n\nYou have no idea what his point is, it's funny that people on this thread OP and others actually like Andrew Tate.\nIt proves that everyone is completely frothingly tribalistic with zero nuance.",
">\n\nIf someone is behaving insufferably, people are going to laugh at them for things that they wouldn’t find funny if it happened to someone they liked.\nFor example, is it funny when people go bankrupt? No. Would it be funny if someone like Andrew Tate went bankrupt after boasting about Bugattis and all of his mass wealth? Yes. This doesn’t mean people who would make fun of him for that are making fun of poverty or all people who lose their livelihoods, it would just be funny if it happened to that particular person. \nIn the same way, the idea that Tate does all the douchey, over the top macho things that he does in order to compensate for having a small penis is funny, whilst it not being funny to make fun of every person who has a small penis.",
">\n\nSubstitute fat. Is that ok?",
">\n\nDepends on what the fat person is doing. If the person is minding their own business then no, if the fat person is attacking other people’s appearances then yeah go for it.",
">\n\nInteresting take. Might want to play with that a bit. A lot of situations where your reasoning falls apart.",
">\n\nPeople insulted Trump for being fat when he tried to say he was like the most fit person ever. People make fun of Elon Musk's body. You can make the same type of insult to two different people and it come off two different ways. \nWhen you make your identity or argument around something it opens up certain insults and comebacks. \nTate's whole thing is trying to act like this \"alpha male\" when in reality he's a sex trafficking weirdo who pays women to hang out with him. It's totally fine to insult him with a childish insult. \nI also find that people worried or mad about this don't actually care about body image issues. They just want a gotcha moment for people. Because many would have shitty takes about fat people or whine about pc culture.",
">\n\nWhen you call some MF that doesn't necessarily mean you are a MF... I'm not saying it's okay to say abusing words but we still do use them.\nI don't think she said it in literal terms, it was completely literary. Also she only said it cause it was Tate who she said it to. Also if a woman has small tits and someone said to someone else that they have small tits energy, I don't think one who actually has small tits would mind it, cause she is not involved and it's kinda perfect way of irritating Tate.. cause he really cares about these things. \nWhen it comes to increasing the insecurity of someone who actually has small D and is insecure about it... She couldn't think so far cause all she wanted was to irritate Tate and she was successful",
">\n\nI don't think it even irritated him if that was her goal but definitely helped him with popularity. It just proves what he says people think of insecure men, it just moves them to him and he gains more influence. It was an ignorant reply in poor taste. Someone with much following and influence as Greta shouldn't be as irresponsible and the followers shouldn't be having to do mental gymnastics to defend her instead of seeing it as it is: body shaming against men.",
">\n\nIs this some kind of weird meta-game? Are Andrew Tate fans pretending to actually be offended by this stupid insult to prove a point? Does anybody actually think her retort was any sharper than a brick wrapped in a wet blanket?\nWhat is going on here?!",
">\n\n\nWhat is going on here?!\n\nAndrew Tate fans have a lot of small dick energy. That's whats going on.",
">\n\nWhy are people not allowed dislike tate (he's an absolute idiot and a grifter) and also to criticize obvious body shaming from a supposed progressive? If Biden started talking about \"N*gger energy\" criticizing Kanye for antisemitism, would that be ok in your eyes? Would you say that a black guy who doesn't like that must be an angry Kanye fan? Or is it disgustingly offensive towards all African Americans to use that type of language no matter what?",
">\n\nBecause it suits their narrative to frame it as if people are just defending tate. It's easier than just actually defending body shaming. Done deal.",
">\n\nI think Greta used that phrase not because she actually believes or wants to promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior, but because people like Andrew Tate believe and promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior. If Andrew Tate gets hurt because Greta says he has small dick energy, then maybe -- just maybe, with the tiniest bit of introspection -- he'll come to realize how hateful some of his language is.\nBullies like Andrew Tate don't really respond to logic or pleas for sympathy. The only way to maybe make them understand the hurt they cause is to inflict it on them, because they don't care about anyone but themselves. \nSo instead of putting the cart before the horse and blaming Greta for using an offensive phrase as an argumentative tactic, maybe blame the people who use the phrase to actually demean people.",
">\n\nCan we substitute fat instead and be justified?",
">\n\nYes people did that with Trump when he claimed to be the fittest person ever basically. If someone has a habit of insulting people a certain way or making certain claims then they open themselves up to specific insults. \nSometimes we'd find those insults not tasteful if said to other people. But I feel like most people equating this to fat insults don't actually care about fat people. A lot of people would also be like oh things are getting too pc or soft or woke when it comes to body positivity towards fat people. So for me it's hard to buy this line of reasoning as being truly valid or caring.",
">\n\nNo one said it has to be authentic caring. This sub is for exploring the intellectual arguments. Your perception of how authentic someone’s feelings towards fat people is basically irrelevant. Argue the point or don’t. Passing your authenticity test is a wierd standard to try to argue for.",
">\n\nSorry, u/AlternativeFukts – your comment has been removed for breaking Rule 5: \n\nComments must contribute meaningfully to the conversation. \n\nComments should be on-topic, serious, and contain enough content to move the discussion forward. Jokes, contradictions without explanation, links without context, off-topic comments, and \"written upvotes\" will be removed. Read the wiki for more information. \nIf you would like to appeal, review our appeals process here, then message the moderators by clicking this link within one week of this notice being posted.",
">\n\nYes, making insults is offensive. That's the point.\nInsults that reference a body part are also offensive to people who are insecure about that body part. That's also kinda obvious.\nWhat do you want your mind changed about here? I'm unclear about what you think can be discussed about an insult meant to be insulting. Are you arguing that this insult is especially wrong in some way?\nHow is this not just you soapboxing?",
">\n\nThere's a reason as a society we don't use insults like \"retard\". This is in the same vein. You're attributing a negative thing with a man having a small penis. This is harmful as it perpetuates the stigma surrounding penis size which is outside ones control. Essentially it degrades a group of people who have nothing to do with it. OP wants to know whether or not this is reconciled. Reading the comments... It has not been. \nMaking gendered insults doesn't bother me truthfully but I can understand the frustration OP is expressing because were it to be a man making some edgy reference to a woman's lady parts being inadequate as a way to demean them then everyone would be outraged as opposed to cheering it on.",
">\n\nUsing “small dick” as an insult, or “loose pussy” isn’t really offensive unless you are insecure about the physical viability of your reproductive organs. \nBut, that doesn’t make it funny. It’s a really juvenile and uncreative way of ridiculing someone.",
">\n\nInsecure women are offended when they're fat shamed.\nIt's still body shaming.\nIt's still wrong.",
">\n\nSorry, u/SamGropler – your comment has been removed for breaking Rule 5: \n\nComments must contribute meaningfully to the conversation. \n\nComments should be on-topic, serious, and contain enough content to move the discussion forward. Jokes, contradictions without explanation, links without context, off-topic comments, and \"written upvotes\" will be removed. Read the wiki for more information. \nIf you would like to appeal, review our appeals process here, then message the moderators by clicking this link within one week of this notice being posted.",
">\n\nGuy randomly decides to flex on her by saying I HAVE CARS AND I LIKE TO GO VROOOOM. It's like when Piers decides that it's absolutely important to eat meat in front of vegans. It's not about penis size. It's just that smalldickenergy is a perfect explanation of why would someone decide to behave like this.",
">\n\nShe is 19. Maybe in a few years she will have more mature insults. It’s a lot of pressure to be put on someone so young to also say the perfect thing all the time",
">\n\nUnder nearly all circumstances, I agree with you.\nHowever, for a lot of people who have built a cult of personality around any given ideal, insults of the inoffensive type are completely commonplace. All they have to do is fend off one or two instances of this PG rated attacks, strawman them, call them snowflakes, and their following is bolstered and enhanced. Instead of having any negative effect, it becomes part of their inherent power.\nSometimes if you want to rattle a cult leader you have to hit with precision their most critical weakness and watch them implode. The fact that Tate is squirming so hard and doing everything he can to reclaim some of his dignity after Greta's clapback means that she has his number. Great isn't saying that having a small dick is bad, but knowing that Tate's entire personality is built about being an alpha male and that calling into question the size of his member will hurt him the most is what she was after. \nOf course, it wasn't classy and could be offensive to some. But as the saying goes, sometimes you have to fight fire with fire.",
">\n\nReally is he squirming? \nHe's rich he's popular and now he's gotten someone he disagrees with to repeat his ideology and platform spreading it to a wider audience. \nI'd argue he's happy for the attention and popularity that she's given to him now and enjoying the increased sales in his business as more men who feel marginalized and left out join him seeing this hypocrisy playing out. Not to mention all the political players( internationally) who were against climate action seeing all this and aligning themselves appropriately, possibly propping him up and making him something more than what he actually is- An ignorant troll. \nEngage with a troll and you only give them more power. The tweet was dumb and people should know better.\nEdit: spacing",
">\n\nI'm not commenting on whether or not his fans will like him more or if the controversy will inadvertently grant him a wider audience. \nI'm commenting that Greta knew exactly where and how to hit him the hardest. Yes, he is definitely squirming. He has scrambled out half a dozen prepubescent \"I know you are but what am I\" tweets. Then he went and made the absolute cringiest response video. He's incensed by being talked down to by Greta and is overcompensating. \nDid her tweet have any net positive effect on society? No. Did it ruffle Tate's feathers and make his blood boil? Yea. Would he have even cared if she called him a misogynistic prick? Absolutely not. He would have just told her to sit down and shut up, that misogyny is made up by inferior women blah blah blah...\nInstead, his insecurities are eating him alive.",
">\n\nWhy even respond and give him attention that he so desperately craves? And why body shame men in the process? \nIf she didn't have a better insult she could have just went on with her life instead of helping him grow. Using \"small dick energy\" as an insult means implicitly we agree that people with small penises are inferior and undesirable. That's basically what Tate is on about ( Toxic masculinity). And by laughing at her tweet we all reinforce that perception. Do you get that? \nSick of double standards and hypocrisy. At least people should have the courage to own up and acknowledge it then move on instead of doubling down and performing mental gymnastics to justify an obvious case of body shaming.\nI agree with you on one thing that the net effect on society because of this tweet exchange is negative and only serves the people who Greta and her followers hate.",
">\n\nI think you are missing what I am saying. I fully agree that it wasn't necessary nor was it the right thing for Greta to do. I also agree that it just gives him attention and was overall a useless venture other for the entertainment of Tate haters.\nOP asked why it is okay. I stated that it isn't okay but that I understand why Greta took that road rather than the suggested non-offensive approach. It is because he's immune to it. What he isn't immune to is his masculinity and ego being questioned. What is the point of the Wolf continuing to blow on the brick house? None. To get to the scared little piggies inside he needs a jackhammer. \nAnd it worked exactly how she planned it to. He was rattled and anyone who hates Tate is amused. \nNot saying it's the right thing to do, nor do I want anyone to feel ashamed of the size of their penis.",
">\n\nOk.. thanks for elaborating on that. I misunderstood your comment as a disagreement and engaged to try and change your mind but seems we share the same view.",
">\n\nYou do not know what Greta is \"fully aware\" of. She is referring to character and behaviour, why are you taking this personally? She isn't speaking to you, hasn't seen you, doesn't know you. I don't know why you are externalizing your issue like this and waving it around in public, is it our responsibility to fix this for you?\nShe was just making a tiny joke. Relax. smalldickenergy @ getalife .com is hilarious.",
">\n\nAside from everything else, it's men who started the 'big dick energy' idiocy so to then complain when someone uses their own stupidity against them...",
">\n\nYeah because men are a monolith and we all meet in a room and know each other smh.",
">\n\nThey’re saying it’s offensive to more than just Andrew Tate",
">\n\nYeah but again, ISN'T THE PURPOSE",
">\n\nWhat do you mean again? You didn’t say that before. And why does the purpose matter? You can do a bad thing without meaning to.",
">\n\nI meant to say isn't that the purpose lol mb",
">\n\nOh lol I probably should have realized that. But I think the point of the insult was to offend Andrew Tate.",
">\n\nFair. Trying to not say anything about him one way or another so I don't get downvoted to hell.",
">\n\nGreta lost that argument. She literally has like a hundred things Tate has said and done she could attack. Easy target... The one thing she chose to do is to body shame the man. It's just name calling. It's not a refutation of Tate. If anything it makes her sound stupid for her inability to come up with a refutation.",
">\n\nExactly. But people are just cheering her on and laughing along without grasping the nuance of the situation.",
">\n\nI think you are kinda missing the point. People know it offensive. The issue is that they don't care.",
">\n\nPeople used to make fun of small tits all the time. Remember the 90s? Remember the itty bitty titty committee? I don't know if that's a thing any more, but skinny women with no butts are definitely not seen as attractive. It's not fair. It's not their fault. People need to stop shaming themselves and eachother, and accept all bodies. Until then, \"small dick energy\" won't cease to be an insult. I guess the difference is people are sort of \"punching up\" since it's always been people with dicks who have the power in this world. I've never heard a dude say that another dude has \"small dick energy.\" It's always a woman saying that. Either way I think it's dumb but I get it. I've always thought \"Karen\" was a dumb insult too. Not someone's fault they were named Karen, LOL.",
">\n\nAndrew insulted her. He was asking for this insult. She was totally in the right. She wasn’t trying to shame anyone else. You’re asking for this insult too.",
">\n\nIsn't it more offensive for small pp folk, that there is a guy who base his entire existence on top of an argument that being an alpha, prime male is the most important thing in the world, and you need to be a testosterone bomb gorilla to have any kind of value. Isn't that argument disregards small dick guys in the first place?",
">\n\nAnd Greta just reinforced it with her reply. Do you see the problem now?\nEdit:replaced \"comment\" with \"reply\"",
">\n\nI believe I've already made a statement about what the problem is.",
">\n\nThen do you understand why Greta's reply is offensive and playing into Andrew Tate's hands?",
">\n\nLol this is twitter. There is no playing into each other's hands. Get outside.",
">\n\nOh look. Greta is human. Someone who spent a lot of her growing up time trying to educate people.\nIf she was in a bar and some doofus made a pass, she's just asserting herself. Age and context. Good on her.",
">\n\nIt is actually been studied. Men with small penises actually do have less energy- testosterone or something.",
">\n\nBeing offended by anything is each person's individual choice. If something is offensive to you, then simply choose to not be offended by it. It's truly that simple.",
">\n\nSo there is no such thing as hate speech?",
">\n\nNo, I didn't say that. Someone can certainly say something to someone that they hate with words that they feel will harm them mentally. That is \"hate speech\". The point I was trying to make is that we all as individuals have the choice to react to whatever someone says in whatever way we choose to react. If I feel offended by something that someone is saying, it is my choice to be offended by it.",
">\n\nI pretty much agree, but now we come to who decides. Does the person doing the talking decide whether it is hate speech? Or the person being talked at?",
">\n\nThere is no decision. The person who is talking thinks that what they are saying is not hateful, or they do. The person being talked at thinks that what the other person is saying is hateful, or they don't. The point is that it only matters if you make it matter to you. For example, if I say you are the dumbest person on earth, am I committing the crime of hate speech? Are you the dumbest person on earth? Probably not. But maybe I believe that you are. Does that make it true? If so, then it's not hate speech it's the truth...to me. If you, personally, believe that you are not the dumbest person on earth, then why would you concern yourself with what my dumbass has to say? To you, I'm the dumbest person on earth. I hope I'm getting my point across here.",
">\n\nSo we agree then? No laws regarding hate speech at all. You just ignore it and move on.",
">\n\nYes, sir.",
">\n\nYup",
">\n\nWhat if I say that I am offended that you are offended that you say \"small dick energy\" is offensive to men that are insecure about their size? Say I'm a man with a huge, massive dong. Say it's been a huge issue for me all my life. Let's say, hypothetically, that I am hugely insecure about the massive size of my dong and it's given me problems all my life. Every time I, hypothetically, go for a jog it's constantly flopping all over the place chaffing up my leg. Every time I have sex it's always this huge issue and only like half of the thing can go in before the receiver is like \"oh my god, stop, that's too much!\" Every time I receive oral sex, anything more than an inch beyond the tip causes a gag reflex. Does that sound exciting to you? Here you are bragging about your completely normal sized penis and all your normal sized penis sex and here this hypothetical person with a huge massive dong has all these issues. I can see how a hypothetical person with this debilitating issue would take offense that you take offense.",
">\n\nShe's an edgelord",
">\n\nreddit",
">\n\nSounds like a skill issue",
">\n\nDo you really get that offended? It's not like males themselves haven't sexualized females and their bodies and have said even worse and more common things about them? But we get offended over sum small? pun intended",
">\n\n“Some males have sexualized females therefore it’s fine for society to make fun of penis size.”",
">\n\nSociety? I don't see everyone (which represents society) doing it 😂 maybe you are focusing too much on negativity and that's all you see",
">\n\nSaying “small dick energy” is inherently a negative thing because it’s an insult. It also implies that there’s something bad about less endowed people because Tate is being compared to that demographic. \nWhen I say society, I mean that a decent percentage of people have “____ dick energy” built into their vocabulary to the point where the meaning of these terms is widely agreed on and it loses it’s direct connection to the penis. This doesn’t mean that the term is appropriate to use though since it originated from actual body shaming.",
">\n\nBattle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.",
">\n\nI think you should consider the situation at hand and less the use of insults as an absolute \nAndrew Tate absolutely deserves it",
">\n\nthe post its about the insult. \n\"Yeah I called this person a N... but lets focus on how bad that person is!!\"\nThe insult not only its very inflammatory (shows patriarcal estigmas,Its body shaming, reinforces toxic masculinity)\nIts also an extremely weak answer, its a groundless ad hominem. I would dare to argue the insult talks more about breta and his internalized toxic patriarcal estigmas than anything against tate.",
">\n\nGreta didn't start this. He was harassing her.",
">\n\n\"He started it\" -That's a toddler's excuse lmao",
">\n\nSo, in your opinion, Greta would have insulted him whether he had harassed her first, or not?",
">\n\nHer insulting him isn't the problem here. Its how she insulted him that's problematic.",
">\n\nWell, if he didn't want to be insulted, he could've done pretty much anything else with his time. I love the way you think people should be able to gatekeep how other people should hurt the feelings of people who are harassing them.",
">\n\nI'm not defending him or saying his feelings are hurt or that he doesn't deserve the insult. You're completely missing the point of this post and what we've been discussing. \n\"Body shaming is acceptable when it's directed at people we don't like\"- this is the hypocrisy that's being pointed out. It's not about who's better Tate or Greta but it's the bigger issue of shaming men's insecurities without any regard to their mental health. Do you get it now?",
">\n\nI think I do. It hadn't occurred to me that you might have a small penis. My apologies. Perhaps just as Greta Thurnberg travels the world as an advocate for awareness of Climate Change, you can break down the stereotype that people with small penises have energy. You should probably do as little as possible, though, since you don't want to be accused of having \"energy.\""
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"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult.",
">\n\nIt's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh.",
">\n\nHonestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV",
">\n\nPeople can make mistakes and this was one of them.. so we can all just criticize her reply fairly and move on. No need for acute mental gymnastics to defend her as this comments section is showing lmao.",
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">\n\nI don't think anyone is arguing it's not offensive. I'm pretty sure she was trying to offend insecure men. Apparently with great success.",
">\n\nShe was trying to offend men who were insecure about their body image?\nHow is that not body shaming?",
">\n\nIt is, but we playing the avoidance and rationalization game",
">\n\nbecause women invented \"small dick energy\"\nharsh, sad. but we go jim🗿",
">\n\nOP never mentioned women tho. Post is strictly about why it's offensive. Do you disagree that it's not offensive or you think it's a trivial matter to make fun of that men's mental health doesn't matter as much?",
">\n\nThe female equivalent is\n\"Loose Pussy Energy\".\nThe typical man-hate hypocrisy commonly going around is beyond obvious. And it is an attack on All men and boys not just some.",
">\n\nNot a disagreement per se, but also worth noting that it’s transphobic. Which is to say, it insults all men by reinforcing patriarchy and punching down to two groups of men.",
">\n\nShe said small dick energy. Not that he had a small dick (though, come on). She used that phrase BECAUSE it's Tate. She's not a moron.\nHe is, as evidenced by his life to this point and his two responses to Thunberg, which were epically pathetic, is a moron and didn't seem to get it, though he doesn't get a lot.",
">\n\nThis is worse than saying he has a small dick, because how would she know, and that would just be dismissed as stupid.\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\nI can't understand the mental gymnastics some people are doing to try and say this isn't body shaming.",
">\n\n\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\n\nI mean yeah -- kind of like how pussy is an insult denoting cowardice, cunt is an insult meaning basically, terrible, etc., \nShe used that on purpose. Are you making CMV every time you see someone calling someone else a pussy?",
">\n\nPussy is kind of already known to be a shitty gendered insult so it doesn't need a CMV. In this case, Greta's gendered \"having a small penis is bad\" tweet is massively amplified, reached r/all on a shitload of subs, etc. so some discussion about whether or not that is cool is warranted",
">\n\nSmall dick energy isn’t about having a small dick tho. It’s a reflection of an attitude that men who are offensive, aggressive, nasty to people are overcompensating for their insecurities. A small dick doesn’t mean you won’t be able to find a partner or that you’re any less of a man. Being a downright trash bag of a human to others, like in this instance where an internet edgelord is cyber bullying a teenager on the internet who is fighting for the survival of our planet/humanity is an example of this trash behavior, is more of a determining factor. \nYou can also have a small dick but have big dick energy, as it’s reflective of who you are as a person. It’s an attitude. It’s who you choose to be to yourself and others. Hell, there’s women who use the term that they have big dick energy and I can tell you those women’s dicks are none existent so therefore size isn’t a thing. \nNo one should be made fun of for something they had no control over. The worth of a man is not tied to the size of his penis. Although, toxic masculinity and shallow people will tell you different. They say the same for disabled people, fat people etc. There’s plenty of people who are not “conventional standards of beauty” which is the majority of us, that lead happy, healthy relationships. Those relationships start with yourself and understanding your worth as a person isn’t tied to what you look like or how big your junk is. \nThe point is if you choose to be a trash person like Tate, where your self worth is tied into how cruel/offensive you can be to other people, don’t be mad if people call you out for that trashy attitude. Your post definitely reeks of “men are the true victims” when clearly you didn’t seem to have a problem with a grown man cyber bullying a teenager.",
">\n\nI like how you imply that OP is a fan of a literal human trafficker because they point out that a body-shaming insult is body-shaming. Do you understand why associating a trait of someone's body with negative personality traits is bad?",
">\n\nNo because people like this always have exceptions that allow them to use the things they complain about. Cognitive gymnastics allows them to recognise shaming women and people of colour is bad, because society will eat them otherwise, but when someone shows up who deserves a bit of a roasting all of their social etiquette rules go out the window and the excuses come out as to why in this context it doesn't count.\n\"Ahh no, here it is a reflection of an attitude\" blah blah 3 paragraphs later and we've clouded over the simple fact that body shaming is body shaming and harms people you weren't intending to insult.",
">\n\nPeople like this? You’re assuming things about me because I am a character in your mind not a real person. I am not a monolith. We should not be body shaming people. I am explaining the other side of this issue and why people use these terms. You never asked if I use these same terms in my life. You assumed I do. I don’t. You didn’t even bother to read my response because if you did you would have realized this.",
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">\n\nYou can have smol pp but big pp energy and vice versa",
">\n\nSo why is the phrase small dick energy if it has nothing to do with having a small dick?",
">\n\nIdk man, I just work here.",
">\n\nYou know why. Lol cause small dick is associated with bad. And by insulting dicks you use this knowledge to offend, at the cost of body shaming people. \nStop feigning dumb just to avoid the reasoning lol",
">\n\nI can see how it would be offensive, and I wouldn’t use it myself. I feel like the phrase refers more to how someone acts as opposed to how they are endowed. And how it’s behavior and actions that make people think down of you not your penis.",
">\n\nPoint is that we, as a society, should encourage better insults that attack the comments of the person without necessarily having to equate it to something someone with a small dick.",
">\n\nWould you agree with me, that if Andrew clapped back with one of those that the internet would be up in arms about it?",
">\n\nYou mean the way that you are, here, on the internet, up in arms?",
">\n\nIm one person on reddit, theres no major backlash like there would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\nSee, what's happening here is that you are also looking at people who are \"one person on Reddit\" and pretending it's a major backlash. Andrew Tate says fucked up things about women all the time (in fact, it's kind of his whole schtick) and it's as much of a non-event as this is.",
">\n\nPlease link me to something fucked up hes said about women, and ill agree with you, two wrongs don't make a right.",
">\n\nHere's exhibit A.",
">\n\nSure I agree with you he has said fucked up stuff about women, it doesn't mean its okay to make a joke about small dick energy.\nDo you understand my point?",
">\n\nWe understand, it's just that your point is fucking stupid",
">\n\nYou have no idea what his point is, it's funny that people on this thread OP and others actually like Andrew Tate.\nIt proves that everyone is completely frothingly tribalistic with zero nuance.",
">\n\nIf someone is behaving insufferably, people are going to laugh at them for things that they wouldn’t find funny if it happened to someone they liked.\nFor example, is it funny when people go bankrupt? No. Would it be funny if someone like Andrew Tate went bankrupt after boasting about Bugattis and all of his mass wealth? Yes. This doesn’t mean people who would make fun of him for that are making fun of poverty or all people who lose their livelihoods, it would just be funny if it happened to that particular person. \nIn the same way, the idea that Tate does all the douchey, over the top macho things that he does in order to compensate for having a small penis is funny, whilst it not being funny to make fun of every person who has a small penis.",
">\n\nSubstitute fat. Is that ok?",
">\n\nDepends on what the fat person is doing. If the person is minding their own business then no, if the fat person is attacking other people’s appearances then yeah go for it.",
">\n\nInteresting take. Might want to play with that a bit. A lot of situations where your reasoning falls apart.",
">\n\nPeople insulted Trump for being fat when he tried to say he was like the most fit person ever. People make fun of Elon Musk's body. You can make the same type of insult to two different people and it come off two different ways. \nWhen you make your identity or argument around something it opens up certain insults and comebacks. \nTate's whole thing is trying to act like this \"alpha male\" when in reality he's a sex trafficking weirdo who pays women to hang out with him. It's totally fine to insult him with a childish insult. \nI also find that people worried or mad about this don't actually care about body image issues. They just want a gotcha moment for people. Because many would have shitty takes about fat people or whine about pc culture.",
">\n\nWhen you call some MF that doesn't necessarily mean you are a MF... I'm not saying it's okay to say abusing words but we still do use them.\nI don't think she said it in literal terms, it was completely literary. Also she only said it cause it was Tate who she said it to. Also if a woman has small tits and someone said to someone else that they have small tits energy, I don't think one who actually has small tits would mind it, cause she is not involved and it's kinda perfect way of irritating Tate.. cause he really cares about these things. \nWhen it comes to increasing the insecurity of someone who actually has small D and is insecure about it... She couldn't think so far cause all she wanted was to irritate Tate and she was successful",
">\n\nI don't think it even irritated him if that was her goal but definitely helped him with popularity. It just proves what he says people think of insecure men, it just moves them to him and he gains more influence. It was an ignorant reply in poor taste. Someone with much following and influence as Greta shouldn't be as irresponsible and the followers shouldn't be having to do mental gymnastics to defend her instead of seeing it as it is: body shaming against men.",
">\n\nIs this some kind of weird meta-game? Are Andrew Tate fans pretending to actually be offended by this stupid insult to prove a point? Does anybody actually think her retort was any sharper than a brick wrapped in a wet blanket?\nWhat is going on here?!",
">\n\n\nWhat is going on here?!\n\nAndrew Tate fans have a lot of small dick energy. That's whats going on.",
">\n\nWhy are people not allowed dislike tate (he's an absolute idiot and a grifter) and also to criticize obvious body shaming from a supposed progressive? If Biden started talking about \"N*gger energy\" criticizing Kanye for antisemitism, would that be ok in your eyes? Would you say that a black guy who doesn't like that must be an angry Kanye fan? Or is it disgustingly offensive towards all African Americans to use that type of language no matter what?",
">\n\nBecause it suits their narrative to frame it as if people are just defending tate. It's easier than just actually defending body shaming. Done deal.",
">\n\nI think Greta used that phrase not because she actually believes or wants to promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior, but because people like Andrew Tate believe and promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior. If Andrew Tate gets hurt because Greta says he has small dick energy, then maybe -- just maybe, with the tiniest bit of introspection -- he'll come to realize how hateful some of his language is.\nBullies like Andrew Tate don't really respond to logic or pleas for sympathy. The only way to maybe make them understand the hurt they cause is to inflict it on them, because they don't care about anyone but themselves. \nSo instead of putting the cart before the horse and blaming Greta for using an offensive phrase as an argumentative tactic, maybe blame the people who use the phrase to actually demean people.",
">\n\nCan we substitute fat instead and be justified?",
">\n\nYes people did that with Trump when he claimed to be the fittest person ever basically. If someone has a habit of insulting people a certain way or making certain claims then they open themselves up to specific insults. \nSometimes we'd find those insults not tasteful if said to other people. But I feel like most people equating this to fat insults don't actually care about fat people. A lot of people would also be like oh things are getting too pc or soft or woke when it comes to body positivity towards fat people. So for me it's hard to buy this line of reasoning as being truly valid or caring.",
">\n\nNo one said it has to be authentic caring. This sub is for exploring the intellectual arguments. Your perception of how authentic someone’s feelings towards fat people is basically irrelevant. Argue the point or don’t. Passing your authenticity test is a wierd standard to try to argue for.",
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">\n\nYes, making insults is offensive. That's the point.\nInsults that reference a body part are also offensive to people who are insecure about that body part. That's also kinda obvious.\nWhat do you want your mind changed about here? I'm unclear about what you think can be discussed about an insult meant to be insulting. Are you arguing that this insult is especially wrong in some way?\nHow is this not just you soapboxing?",
">\n\nThere's a reason as a society we don't use insults like \"retard\". This is in the same vein. You're attributing a negative thing with a man having a small penis. This is harmful as it perpetuates the stigma surrounding penis size which is outside ones control. Essentially it degrades a group of people who have nothing to do with it. OP wants to know whether or not this is reconciled. Reading the comments... It has not been. \nMaking gendered insults doesn't bother me truthfully but I can understand the frustration OP is expressing because were it to be a man making some edgy reference to a woman's lady parts being inadequate as a way to demean them then everyone would be outraged as opposed to cheering it on.",
">\n\nUsing “small dick” as an insult, or “loose pussy” isn’t really offensive unless you are insecure about the physical viability of your reproductive organs. \nBut, that doesn’t make it funny. It’s a really juvenile and uncreative way of ridiculing someone.",
">\n\nInsecure women are offended when they're fat shamed.\nIt's still body shaming.\nIt's still wrong.",
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">\n\nGuy randomly decides to flex on her by saying I HAVE CARS AND I LIKE TO GO VROOOOM. It's like when Piers decides that it's absolutely important to eat meat in front of vegans. It's not about penis size. It's just that smalldickenergy is a perfect explanation of why would someone decide to behave like this.",
">\n\nShe is 19. Maybe in a few years she will have more mature insults. It’s a lot of pressure to be put on someone so young to also say the perfect thing all the time",
">\n\nUnder nearly all circumstances, I agree with you.\nHowever, for a lot of people who have built a cult of personality around any given ideal, insults of the inoffensive type are completely commonplace. All they have to do is fend off one or two instances of this PG rated attacks, strawman them, call them snowflakes, and their following is bolstered and enhanced. Instead of having any negative effect, it becomes part of their inherent power.\nSometimes if you want to rattle a cult leader you have to hit with precision their most critical weakness and watch them implode. The fact that Tate is squirming so hard and doing everything he can to reclaim some of his dignity after Greta's clapback means that she has his number. Great isn't saying that having a small dick is bad, but knowing that Tate's entire personality is built about being an alpha male and that calling into question the size of his member will hurt him the most is what she was after. \nOf course, it wasn't classy and could be offensive to some. But as the saying goes, sometimes you have to fight fire with fire.",
">\n\nReally is he squirming? \nHe's rich he's popular and now he's gotten someone he disagrees with to repeat his ideology and platform spreading it to a wider audience. \nI'd argue he's happy for the attention and popularity that she's given to him now and enjoying the increased sales in his business as more men who feel marginalized and left out join him seeing this hypocrisy playing out. Not to mention all the political players( internationally) who were against climate action seeing all this and aligning themselves appropriately, possibly propping him up and making him something more than what he actually is- An ignorant troll. \nEngage with a troll and you only give them more power. The tweet was dumb and people should know better.\nEdit: spacing",
">\n\nI'm not commenting on whether or not his fans will like him more or if the controversy will inadvertently grant him a wider audience. \nI'm commenting that Greta knew exactly where and how to hit him the hardest. Yes, he is definitely squirming. He has scrambled out half a dozen prepubescent \"I know you are but what am I\" tweets. Then he went and made the absolute cringiest response video. He's incensed by being talked down to by Greta and is overcompensating. \nDid her tweet have any net positive effect on society? No. Did it ruffle Tate's feathers and make his blood boil? Yea. Would he have even cared if she called him a misogynistic prick? Absolutely not. He would have just told her to sit down and shut up, that misogyny is made up by inferior women blah blah blah...\nInstead, his insecurities are eating him alive.",
">\n\nWhy even respond and give him attention that he so desperately craves? And why body shame men in the process? \nIf she didn't have a better insult she could have just went on with her life instead of helping him grow. Using \"small dick energy\" as an insult means implicitly we agree that people with small penises are inferior and undesirable. That's basically what Tate is on about ( Toxic masculinity). And by laughing at her tweet we all reinforce that perception. Do you get that? \nSick of double standards and hypocrisy. At least people should have the courage to own up and acknowledge it then move on instead of doubling down and performing mental gymnastics to justify an obvious case of body shaming.\nI agree with you on one thing that the net effect on society because of this tweet exchange is negative and only serves the people who Greta and her followers hate.",
">\n\nI think you are missing what I am saying. I fully agree that it wasn't necessary nor was it the right thing for Greta to do. I also agree that it just gives him attention and was overall a useless venture other for the entertainment of Tate haters.\nOP asked why it is okay. I stated that it isn't okay but that I understand why Greta took that road rather than the suggested non-offensive approach. It is because he's immune to it. What he isn't immune to is his masculinity and ego being questioned. What is the point of the Wolf continuing to blow on the brick house? None. To get to the scared little piggies inside he needs a jackhammer. \nAnd it worked exactly how she planned it to. He was rattled and anyone who hates Tate is amused. \nNot saying it's the right thing to do, nor do I want anyone to feel ashamed of the size of their penis.",
">\n\nOk.. thanks for elaborating on that. I misunderstood your comment as a disagreement and engaged to try and change your mind but seems we share the same view.",
">\n\nYou do not know what Greta is \"fully aware\" of. She is referring to character and behaviour, why are you taking this personally? She isn't speaking to you, hasn't seen you, doesn't know you. I don't know why you are externalizing your issue like this and waving it around in public, is it our responsibility to fix this for you?\nShe was just making a tiny joke. Relax. smalldickenergy @ getalife .com is hilarious.",
">\n\nAside from everything else, it's men who started the 'big dick energy' idiocy so to then complain when someone uses their own stupidity against them...",
">\n\nYeah because men are a monolith and we all meet in a room and know each other smh.",
">\n\nThey’re saying it’s offensive to more than just Andrew Tate",
">\n\nYeah but again, ISN'T THE PURPOSE",
">\n\nWhat do you mean again? You didn’t say that before. And why does the purpose matter? You can do a bad thing without meaning to.",
">\n\nI meant to say isn't that the purpose lol mb",
">\n\nOh lol I probably should have realized that. But I think the point of the insult was to offend Andrew Tate.",
">\n\nFair. Trying to not say anything about him one way or another so I don't get downvoted to hell.",
">\n\nGreta lost that argument. She literally has like a hundred things Tate has said and done she could attack. Easy target... The one thing she chose to do is to body shame the man. It's just name calling. It's not a refutation of Tate. If anything it makes her sound stupid for her inability to come up with a refutation.",
">\n\nExactly. But people are just cheering her on and laughing along without grasping the nuance of the situation.",
">\n\nI think you are kinda missing the point. People know it offensive. The issue is that they don't care.",
">\n\nPeople used to make fun of small tits all the time. Remember the 90s? Remember the itty bitty titty committee? I don't know if that's a thing any more, but skinny women with no butts are definitely not seen as attractive. It's not fair. It's not their fault. People need to stop shaming themselves and eachother, and accept all bodies. Until then, \"small dick energy\" won't cease to be an insult. I guess the difference is people are sort of \"punching up\" since it's always been people with dicks who have the power in this world. I've never heard a dude say that another dude has \"small dick energy.\" It's always a woman saying that. Either way I think it's dumb but I get it. I've always thought \"Karen\" was a dumb insult too. Not someone's fault they were named Karen, LOL.",
">\n\nAndrew insulted her. He was asking for this insult. She was totally in the right. She wasn’t trying to shame anyone else. You’re asking for this insult too.",
">\n\nIsn't it more offensive for small pp folk, that there is a guy who base his entire existence on top of an argument that being an alpha, prime male is the most important thing in the world, and you need to be a testosterone bomb gorilla to have any kind of value. Isn't that argument disregards small dick guys in the first place?",
">\n\nAnd Greta just reinforced it with her reply. Do you see the problem now?\nEdit:replaced \"comment\" with \"reply\"",
">\n\nI believe I've already made a statement about what the problem is.",
">\n\nThen do you understand why Greta's reply is offensive and playing into Andrew Tate's hands?",
">\n\nLol this is twitter. There is no playing into each other's hands. Get outside.",
">\n\nOh look. Greta is human. Someone who spent a lot of her growing up time trying to educate people.\nIf she was in a bar and some doofus made a pass, she's just asserting herself. Age and context. Good on her.",
">\n\nIt is actually been studied. Men with small penises actually do have less energy- testosterone or something.",
">\n\nBeing offended by anything is each person's individual choice. If something is offensive to you, then simply choose to not be offended by it. It's truly that simple.",
">\n\nSo there is no such thing as hate speech?",
">\n\nNo, I didn't say that. Someone can certainly say something to someone that they hate with words that they feel will harm them mentally. That is \"hate speech\". The point I was trying to make is that we all as individuals have the choice to react to whatever someone says in whatever way we choose to react. If I feel offended by something that someone is saying, it is my choice to be offended by it.",
">\n\nI pretty much agree, but now we come to who decides. Does the person doing the talking decide whether it is hate speech? Or the person being talked at?",
">\n\nThere is no decision. The person who is talking thinks that what they are saying is not hateful, or they do. The person being talked at thinks that what the other person is saying is hateful, or they don't. The point is that it only matters if you make it matter to you. For example, if I say you are the dumbest person on earth, am I committing the crime of hate speech? Are you the dumbest person on earth? Probably not. But maybe I believe that you are. Does that make it true? If so, then it's not hate speech it's the truth...to me. If you, personally, believe that you are not the dumbest person on earth, then why would you concern yourself with what my dumbass has to say? To you, I'm the dumbest person on earth. I hope I'm getting my point across here.",
">\n\nSo we agree then? No laws regarding hate speech at all. You just ignore it and move on.",
">\n\nYes, sir.",
">\n\nYup",
">\n\nWhat if I say that I am offended that you are offended that you say \"small dick energy\" is offensive to men that are insecure about their size? Say I'm a man with a huge, massive dong. Say it's been a huge issue for me all my life. Let's say, hypothetically, that I am hugely insecure about the massive size of my dong and it's given me problems all my life. Every time I, hypothetically, go for a jog it's constantly flopping all over the place chaffing up my leg. Every time I have sex it's always this huge issue and only like half of the thing can go in before the receiver is like \"oh my god, stop, that's too much!\" Every time I receive oral sex, anything more than an inch beyond the tip causes a gag reflex. Does that sound exciting to you? Here you are bragging about your completely normal sized penis and all your normal sized penis sex and here this hypothetical person with a huge massive dong has all these issues. I can see how a hypothetical person with this debilitating issue would take offense that you take offense.",
">\n\nShe's an edgelord",
">\n\nreddit",
">\n\nSounds like a skill issue",
">\n\nDo you really get that offended? It's not like males themselves haven't sexualized females and their bodies and have said even worse and more common things about them? But we get offended over sum small? pun intended",
">\n\n“Some males have sexualized females therefore it’s fine for society to make fun of penis size.”",
">\n\nSociety? I don't see everyone (which represents society) doing it 😂 maybe you are focusing too much on negativity and that's all you see",
">\n\nSaying “small dick energy” is inherently a negative thing because it’s an insult. It also implies that there’s something bad about less endowed people because Tate is being compared to that demographic. \nWhen I say society, I mean that a decent percentage of people have “____ dick energy” built into their vocabulary to the point where the meaning of these terms is widely agreed on and it loses it’s direct connection to the penis. This doesn’t mean that the term is appropriate to use though since it originated from actual body shaming.",
">\n\nBattle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.",
">\n\nI think you should consider the situation at hand and less the use of insults as an absolute \nAndrew Tate absolutely deserves it",
">\n\nthe post its about the insult. \n\"Yeah I called this person a N... but lets focus on how bad that person is!!\"\nThe insult not only its very inflammatory (shows patriarcal estigmas,Its body shaming, reinforces toxic masculinity)\nIts also an extremely weak answer, its a groundless ad hominem. I would dare to argue the insult talks more about breta and his internalized toxic patriarcal estigmas than anything against tate.",
">\n\nGreta didn't start this. He was harassing her.",
">\n\n\"He started it\" -That's a toddler's excuse lmao",
">\n\nSo, in your opinion, Greta would have insulted him whether he had harassed her first, or not?",
">\n\nHer insulting him isn't the problem here. Its how she insulted him that's problematic.",
">\n\nWell, if he didn't want to be insulted, he could've done pretty much anything else with his time. I love the way you think people should be able to gatekeep how other people should hurt the feelings of people who are harassing them.",
">\n\nI'm not defending him or saying his feelings are hurt or that he doesn't deserve the insult. You're completely missing the point of this post and what we've been discussing. \n\"Body shaming is acceptable when it's directed at people we don't like\"- this is the hypocrisy that's being pointed out. It's not about who's better Tate or Greta but it's the bigger issue of shaming men's insecurities without any regard to their mental health. Do you get it now?",
">\n\nI think I do. It hadn't occurred to me that you might have a small penis. My apologies. Perhaps just as Greta Thurnberg travels the world as an advocate for awareness of Climate Change, you can break down the stereotype that people with small penises have energy. You should probably do as little as possible, though, since you don't want to be accused of having \"energy.\"",
">\n\nWasted my time replying after your \"he started it\" comment smh. Toddler mentality gugu gaga talk to me after you understand the issue.\nEdit: issue"
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I almost forgot. Please don't use the word toddler. It's offensive to small children.
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"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult.",
">\n\nIt's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh.",
">\n\nHonestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV",
">\n\nPeople can make mistakes and this was one of them.. so we can all just criticize her reply fairly and move on. No need for acute mental gymnastics to defend her as this comments section is showing lmao.",
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">\n\nI don't think anyone is arguing it's not offensive. I'm pretty sure she was trying to offend insecure men. Apparently with great success.",
">\n\nShe was trying to offend men who were insecure about their body image?\nHow is that not body shaming?",
">\n\nIt is, but we playing the avoidance and rationalization game",
">\n\nbecause women invented \"small dick energy\"\nharsh, sad. but we go jim🗿",
">\n\nOP never mentioned women tho. Post is strictly about why it's offensive. Do you disagree that it's not offensive or you think it's a trivial matter to make fun of that men's mental health doesn't matter as much?",
">\n\nThe female equivalent is\n\"Loose Pussy Energy\".\nThe typical man-hate hypocrisy commonly going around is beyond obvious. And it is an attack on All men and boys not just some.",
">\n\nNot a disagreement per se, but also worth noting that it’s transphobic. Which is to say, it insults all men by reinforcing patriarchy and punching down to two groups of men.",
">\n\nShe said small dick energy. Not that he had a small dick (though, come on). She used that phrase BECAUSE it's Tate. She's not a moron.\nHe is, as evidenced by his life to this point and his two responses to Thunberg, which were epically pathetic, is a moron and didn't seem to get it, though he doesn't get a lot.",
">\n\nThis is worse than saying he has a small dick, because how would she know, and that would just be dismissed as stupid.\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\nI can't understand the mental gymnastics some people are doing to try and say this isn't body shaming.",
">\n\n\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\n\nI mean yeah -- kind of like how pussy is an insult denoting cowardice, cunt is an insult meaning basically, terrible, etc., \nShe used that on purpose. Are you making CMV every time you see someone calling someone else a pussy?",
">\n\nPussy is kind of already known to be a shitty gendered insult so it doesn't need a CMV. In this case, Greta's gendered \"having a small penis is bad\" tweet is massively amplified, reached r/all on a shitload of subs, etc. so some discussion about whether or not that is cool is warranted",
">\n\nSmall dick energy isn’t about having a small dick tho. It’s a reflection of an attitude that men who are offensive, aggressive, nasty to people are overcompensating for their insecurities. A small dick doesn’t mean you won’t be able to find a partner or that you’re any less of a man. Being a downright trash bag of a human to others, like in this instance where an internet edgelord is cyber bullying a teenager on the internet who is fighting for the survival of our planet/humanity is an example of this trash behavior, is more of a determining factor. \nYou can also have a small dick but have big dick energy, as it’s reflective of who you are as a person. It’s an attitude. It’s who you choose to be to yourself and others. Hell, there’s women who use the term that they have big dick energy and I can tell you those women’s dicks are none existent so therefore size isn’t a thing. \nNo one should be made fun of for something they had no control over. The worth of a man is not tied to the size of his penis. Although, toxic masculinity and shallow people will tell you different. They say the same for disabled people, fat people etc. There’s plenty of people who are not “conventional standards of beauty” which is the majority of us, that lead happy, healthy relationships. Those relationships start with yourself and understanding your worth as a person isn’t tied to what you look like or how big your junk is. \nThe point is if you choose to be a trash person like Tate, where your self worth is tied into how cruel/offensive you can be to other people, don’t be mad if people call you out for that trashy attitude. Your post definitely reeks of “men are the true victims” when clearly you didn’t seem to have a problem with a grown man cyber bullying a teenager.",
">\n\nI like how you imply that OP is a fan of a literal human trafficker because they point out that a body-shaming insult is body-shaming. Do you understand why associating a trait of someone's body with negative personality traits is bad?",
">\n\nNo because people like this always have exceptions that allow them to use the things they complain about. Cognitive gymnastics allows them to recognise shaming women and people of colour is bad, because society will eat them otherwise, but when someone shows up who deserves a bit of a roasting all of their social etiquette rules go out the window and the excuses come out as to why in this context it doesn't count.\n\"Ahh no, here it is a reflection of an attitude\" blah blah 3 paragraphs later and we've clouded over the simple fact that body shaming is body shaming and harms people you weren't intending to insult.",
">\n\nPeople like this? You’re assuming things about me because I am a character in your mind not a real person. I am not a monolith. We should not be body shaming people. I am explaining the other side of this issue and why people use these terms. You never asked if I use these same terms in my life. You assumed I do. I don’t. You didn’t even bother to read my response because if you did you would have realized this.",
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">\n\nYou can have smol pp but big pp energy and vice versa",
">\n\nSo why is the phrase small dick energy if it has nothing to do with having a small dick?",
">\n\nIdk man, I just work here.",
">\n\nYou know why. Lol cause small dick is associated with bad. And by insulting dicks you use this knowledge to offend, at the cost of body shaming people. \nStop feigning dumb just to avoid the reasoning lol",
">\n\nI can see how it would be offensive, and I wouldn’t use it myself. I feel like the phrase refers more to how someone acts as opposed to how they are endowed. And how it’s behavior and actions that make people think down of you not your penis.",
">\n\nPoint is that we, as a society, should encourage better insults that attack the comments of the person without necessarily having to equate it to something someone with a small dick.",
">\n\nWould you agree with me, that if Andrew clapped back with one of those that the internet would be up in arms about it?",
">\n\nYou mean the way that you are, here, on the internet, up in arms?",
">\n\nIm one person on reddit, theres no major backlash like there would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\nSee, what's happening here is that you are also looking at people who are \"one person on Reddit\" and pretending it's a major backlash. Andrew Tate says fucked up things about women all the time (in fact, it's kind of his whole schtick) and it's as much of a non-event as this is.",
">\n\nPlease link me to something fucked up hes said about women, and ill agree with you, two wrongs don't make a right.",
">\n\nHere's exhibit A.",
">\n\nSure I agree with you he has said fucked up stuff about women, it doesn't mean its okay to make a joke about small dick energy.\nDo you understand my point?",
">\n\nWe understand, it's just that your point is fucking stupid",
">\n\nYou have no idea what his point is, it's funny that people on this thread OP and others actually like Andrew Tate.\nIt proves that everyone is completely frothingly tribalistic with zero nuance.",
">\n\nIf someone is behaving insufferably, people are going to laugh at them for things that they wouldn’t find funny if it happened to someone they liked.\nFor example, is it funny when people go bankrupt? No. Would it be funny if someone like Andrew Tate went bankrupt after boasting about Bugattis and all of his mass wealth? Yes. This doesn’t mean people who would make fun of him for that are making fun of poverty or all people who lose their livelihoods, it would just be funny if it happened to that particular person. \nIn the same way, the idea that Tate does all the douchey, over the top macho things that he does in order to compensate for having a small penis is funny, whilst it not being funny to make fun of every person who has a small penis.",
">\n\nSubstitute fat. Is that ok?",
">\n\nDepends on what the fat person is doing. If the person is minding their own business then no, if the fat person is attacking other people’s appearances then yeah go for it.",
">\n\nInteresting take. Might want to play with that a bit. A lot of situations where your reasoning falls apart.",
">\n\nPeople insulted Trump for being fat when he tried to say he was like the most fit person ever. People make fun of Elon Musk's body. You can make the same type of insult to two different people and it come off two different ways. \nWhen you make your identity or argument around something it opens up certain insults and comebacks. \nTate's whole thing is trying to act like this \"alpha male\" when in reality he's a sex trafficking weirdo who pays women to hang out with him. It's totally fine to insult him with a childish insult. \nI also find that people worried or mad about this don't actually care about body image issues. They just want a gotcha moment for people. Because many would have shitty takes about fat people or whine about pc culture.",
">\n\nWhen you call some MF that doesn't necessarily mean you are a MF... I'm not saying it's okay to say abusing words but we still do use them.\nI don't think she said it in literal terms, it was completely literary. Also she only said it cause it was Tate who she said it to. Also if a woman has small tits and someone said to someone else that they have small tits energy, I don't think one who actually has small tits would mind it, cause she is not involved and it's kinda perfect way of irritating Tate.. cause he really cares about these things. \nWhen it comes to increasing the insecurity of someone who actually has small D and is insecure about it... She couldn't think so far cause all she wanted was to irritate Tate and she was successful",
">\n\nI don't think it even irritated him if that was her goal but definitely helped him with popularity. It just proves what he says people think of insecure men, it just moves them to him and he gains more influence. It was an ignorant reply in poor taste. Someone with much following and influence as Greta shouldn't be as irresponsible and the followers shouldn't be having to do mental gymnastics to defend her instead of seeing it as it is: body shaming against men.",
">\n\nIs this some kind of weird meta-game? Are Andrew Tate fans pretending to actually be offended by this stupid insult to prove a point? Does anybody actually think her retort was any sharper than a brick wrapped in a wet blanket?\nWhat is going on here?!",
">\n\n\nWhat is going on here?!\n\nAndrew Tate fans have a lot of small dick energy. That's whats going on.",
">\n\nWhy are people not allowed dislike tate (he's an absolute idiot and a grifter) and also to criticize obvious body shaming from a supposed progressive? If Biden started talking about \"N*gger energy\" criticizing Kanye for antisemitism, would that be ok in your eyes? Would you say that a black guy who doesn't like that must be an angry Kanye fan? Or is it disgustingly offensive towards all African Americans to use that type of language no matter what?",
">\n\nBecause it suits their narrative to frame it as if people are just defending tate. It's easier than just actually defending body shaming. Done deal.",
">\n\nI think Greta used that phrase not because she actually believes or wants to promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior, but because people like Andrew Tate believe and promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior. If Andrew Tate gets hurt because Greta says he has small dick energy, then maybe -- just maybe, with the tiniest bit of introspection -- he'll come to realize how hateful some of his language is.\nBullies like Andrew Tate don't really respond to logic or pleas for sympathy. The only way to maybe make them understand the hurt they cause is to inflict it on them, because they don't care about anyone but themselves. \nSo instead of putting the cart before the horse and blaming Greta for using an offensive phrase as an argumentative tactic, maybe blame the people who use the phrase to actually demean people.",
">\n\nCan we substitute fat instead and be justified?",
">\n\nYes people did that with Trump when he claimed to be the fittest person ever basically. If someone has a habit of insulting people a certain way or making certain claims then they open themselves up to specific insults. \nSometimes we'd find those insults not tasteful if said to other people. But I feel like most people equating this to fat insults don't actually care about fat people. A lot of people would also be like oh things are getting too pc or soft or woke when it comes to body positivity towards fat people. So for me it's hard to buy this line of reasoning as being truly valid or caring.",
">\n\nNo one said it has to be authentic caring. This sub is for exploring the intellectual arguments. Your perception of how authentic someone’s feelings towards fat people is basically irrelevant. Argue the point or don’t. Passing your authenticity test is a wierd standard to try to argue for.",
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">\n\nYes, making insults is offensive. That's the point.\nInsults that reference a body part are also offensive to people who are insecure about that body part. That's also kinda obvious.\nWhat do you want your mind changed about here? I'm unclear about what you think can be discussed about an insult meant to be insulting. Are you arguing that this insult is especially wrong in some way?\nHow is this not just you soapboxing?",
">\n\nThere's a reason as a society we don't use insults like \"retard\". This is in the same vein. You're attributing a negative thing with a man having a small penis. This is harmful as it perpetuates the stigma surrounding penis size which is outside ones control. Essentially it degrades a group of people who have nothing to do with it. OP wants to know whether or not this is reconciled. Reading the comments... It has not been. \nMaking gendered insults doesn't bother me truthfully but I can understand the frustration OP is expressing because were it to be a man making some edgy reference to a woman's lady parts being inadequate as a way to demean them then everyone would be outraged as opposed to cheering it on.",
">\n\nUsing “small dick” as an insult, or “loose pussy” isn’t really offensive unless you are insecure about the physical viability of your reproductive organs. \nBut, that doesn’t make it funny. It’s a really juvenile and uncreative way of ridiculing someone.",
">\n\nInsecure women are offended when they're fat shamed.\nIt's still body shaming.\nIt's still wrong.",
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">\n\nGuy randomly decides to flex on her by saying I HAVE CARS AND I LIKE TO GO VROOOOM. It's like when Piers decides that it's absolutely important to eat meat in front of vegans. It's not about penis size. It's just that smalldickenergy is a perfect explanation of why would someone decide to behave like this.",
">\n\nShe is 19. Maybe in a few years she will have more mature insults. It’s a lot of pressure to be put on someone so young to also say the perfect thing all the time",
">\n\nUnder nearly all circumstances, I agree with you.\nHowever, for a lot of people who have built a cult of personality around any given ideal, insults of the inoffensive type are completely commonplace. All they have to do is fend off one or two instances of this PG rated attacks, strawman them, call them snowflakes, and their following is bolstered and enhanced. Instead of having any negative effect, it becomes part of their inherent power.\nSometimes if you want to rattle a cult leader you have to hit with precision their most critical weakness and watch them implode. The fact that Tate is squirming so hard and doing everything he can to reclaim some of his dignity after Greta's clapback means that she has his number. Great isn't saying that having a small dick is bad, but knowing that Tate's entire personality is built about being an alpha male and that calling into question the size of his member will hurt him the most is what she was after. \nOf course, it wasn't classy and could be offensive to some. But as the saying goes, sometimes you have to fight fire with fire.",
">\n\nReally is he squirming? \nHe's rich he's popular and now he's gotten someone he disagrees with to repeat his ideology and platform spreading it to a wider audience. \nI'd argue he's happy for the attention and popularity that she's given to him now and enjoying the increased sales in his business as more men who feel marginalized and left out join him seeing this hypocrisy playing out. Not to mention all the political players( internationally) who were against climate action seeing all this and aligning themselves appropriately, possibly propping him up and making him something more than what he actually is- An ignorant troll. \nEngage with a troll and you only give them more power. The tweet was dumb and people should know better.\nEdit: spacing",
">\n\nI'm not commenting on whether or not his fans will like him more or if the controversy will inadvertently grant him a wider audience. \nI'm commenting that Greta knew exactly where and how to hit him the hardest. Yes, he is definitely squirming. He has scrambled out half a dozen prepubescent \"I know you are but what am I\" tweets. Then he went and made the absolute cringiest response video. He's incensed by being talked down to by Greta and is overcompensating. \nDid her tweet have any net positive effect on society? No. Did it ruffle Tate's feathers and make his blood boil? Yea. Would he have even cared if she called him a misogynistic prick? Absolutely not. He would have just told her to sit down and shut up, that misogyny is made up by inferior women blah blah blah...\nInstead, his insecurities are eating him alive.",
">\n\nWhy even respond and give him attention that he so desperately craves? And why body shame men in the process? \nIf she didn't have a better insult she could have just went on with her life instead of helping him grow. Using \"small dick energy\" as an insult means implicitly we agree that people with small penises are inferior and undesirable. That's basically what Tate is on about ( Toxic masculinity). And by laughing at her tweet we all reinforce that perception. Do you get that? \nSick of double standards and hypocrisy. At least people should have the courage to own up and acknowledge it then move on instead of doubling down and performing mental gymnastics to justify an obvious case of body shaming.\nI agree with you on one thing that the net effect on society because of this tweet exchange is negative and only serves the people who Greta and her followers hate.",
">\n\nI think you are missing what I am saying. I fully agree that it wasn't necessary nor was it the right thing for Greta to do. I also agree that it just gives him attention and was overall a useless venture other for the entertainment of Tate haters.\nOP asked why it is okay. I stated that it isn't okay but that I understand why Greta took that road rather than the suggested non-offensive approach. It is because he's immune to it. What he isn't immune to is his masculinity and ego being questioned. What is the point of the Wolf continuing to blow on the brick house? None. To get to the scared little piggies inside he needs a jackhammer. \nAnd it worked exactly how she planned it to. He was rattled and anyone who hates Tate is amused. \nNot saying it's the right thing to do, nor do I want anyone to feel ashamed of the size of their penis.",
">\n\nOk.. thanks for elaborating on that. I misunderstood your comment as a disagreement and engaged to try and change your mind but seems we share the same view.",
">\n\nYou do not know what Greta is \"fully aware\" of. She is referring to character and behaviour, why are you taking this personally? She isn't speaking to you, hasn't seen you, doesn't know you. I don't know why you are externalizing your issue like this and waving it around in public, is it our responsibility to fix this for you?\nShe was just making a tiny joke. Relax. smalldickenergy @ getalife .com is hilarious.",
">\n\nAside from everything else, it's men who started the 'big dick energy' idiocy so to then complain when someone uses their own stupidity against them...",
">\n\nYeah because men are a monolith and we all meet in a room and know each other smh.",
">\n\nThey’re saying it’s offensive to more than just Andrew Tate",
">\n\nYeah but again, ISN'T THE PURPOSE",
">\n\nWhat do you mean again? You didn’t say that before. And why does the purpose matter? You can do a bad thing without meaning to.",
">\n\nI meant to say isn't that the purpose lol mb",
">\n\nOh lol I probably should have realized that. But I think the point of the insult was to offend Andrew Tate.",
">\n\nFair. Trying to not say anything about him one way or another so I don't get downvoted to hell.",
">\n\nGreta lost that argument. She literally has like a hundred things Tate has said and done she could attack. Easy target... The one thing she chose to do is to body shame the man. It's just name calling. It's not a refutation of Tate. If anything it makes her sound stupid for her inability to come up with a refutation.",
">\n\nExactly. But people are just cheering her on and laughing along without grasping the nuance of the situation.",
">\n\nI think you are kinda missing the point. People know it offensive. The issue is that they don't care.",
">\n\nPeople used to make fun of small tits all the time. Remember the 90s? Remember the itty bitty titty committee? I don't know if that's a thing any more, but skinny women with no butts are definitely not seen as attractive. It's not fair. It's not their fault. People need to stop shaming themselves and eachother, and accept all bodies. Until then, \"small dick energy\" won't cease to be an insult. I guess the difference is people are sort of \"punching up\" since it's always been people with dicks who have the power in this world. I've never heard a dude say that another dude has \"small dick energy.\" It's always a woman saying that. Either way I think it's dumb but I get it. I've always thought \"Karen\" was a dumb insult too. Not someone's fault they were named Karen, LOL.",
">\n\nAndrew insulted her. He was asking for this insult. She was totally in the right. She wasn’t trying to shame anyone else. You’re asking for this insult too.",
">\n\nIsn't it more offensive for small pp folk, that there is a guy who base his entire existence on top of an argument that being an alpha, prime male is the most important thing in the world, and you need to be a testosterone bomb gorilla to have any kind of value. Isn't that argument disregards small dick guys in the first place?",
">\n\nAnd Greta just reinforced it with her reply. Do you see the problem now?\nEdit:replaced \"comment\" with \"reply\"",
">\n\nI believe I've already made a statement about what the problem is.",
">\n\nThen do you understand why Greta's reply is offensive and playing into Andrew Tate's hands?",
">\n\nLol this is twitter. There is no playing into each other's hands. Get outside.",
">\n\nOh look. Greta is human. Someone who spent a lot of her growing up time trying to educate people.\nIf she was in a bar and some doofus made a pass, she's just asserting herself. Age and context. Good on her.",
">\n\nIt is actually been studied. Men with small penises actually do have less energy- testosterone or something.",
">\n\nBeing offended by anything is each person's individual choice. If something is offensive to you, then simply choose to not be offended by it. It's truly that simple.",
">\n\nSo there is no such thing as hate speech?",
">\n\nNo, I didn't say that. Someone can certainly say something to someone that they hate with words that they feel will harm them mentally. That is \"hate speech\". The point I was trying to make is that we all as individuals have the choice to react to whatever someone says in whatever way we choose to react. If I feel offended by something that someone is saying, it is my choice to be offended by it.",
">\n\nI pretty much agree, but now we come to who decides. Does the person doing the talking decide whether it is hate speech? Or the person being talked at?",
">\n\nThere is no decision. The person who is talking thinks that what they are saying is not hateful, or they do. The person being talked at thinks that what the other person is saying is hateful, or they don't. The point is that it only matters if you make it matter to you. For example, if I say you are the dumbest person on earth, am I committing the crime of hate speech? Are you the dumbest person on earth? Probably not. But maybe I believe that you are. Does that make it true? If so, then it's not hate speech it's the truth...to me. If you, personally, believe that you are not the dumbest person on earth, then why would you concern yourself with what my dumbass has to say? To you, I'm the dumbest person on earth. I hope I'm getting my point across here.",
">\n\nSo we agree then? No laws regarding hate speech at all. You just ignore it and move on.",
">\n\nYes, sir.",
">\n\nYup",
">\n\nWhat if I say that I am offended that you are offended that you say \"small dick energy\" is offensive to men that are insecure about their size? Say I'm a man with a huge, massive dong. Say it's been a huge issue for me all my life. Let's say, hypothetically, that I am hugely insecure about the massive size of my dong and it's given me problems all my life. Every time I, hypothetically, go for a jog it's constantly flopping all over the place chaffing up my leg. Every time I have sex it's always this huge issue and only like half of the thing can go in before the receiver is like \"oh my god, stop, that's too much!\" Every time I receive oral sex, anything more than an inch beyond the tip causes a gag reflex. Does that sound exciting to you? Here you are bragging about your completely normal sized penis and all your normal sized penis sex and here this hypothetical person with a huge massive dong has all these issues. I can see how a hypothetical person with this debilitating issue would take offense that you take offense.",
">\n\nShe's an edgelord",
">\n\nreddit",
">\n\nSounds like a skill issue",
">\n\nDo you really get that offended? It's not like males themselves haven't sexualized females and their bodies and have said even worse and more common things about them? But we get offended over sum small? pun intended",
">\n\n“Some males have sexualized females therefore it’s fine for society to make fun of penis size.”",
">\n\nSociety? I don't see everyone (which represents society) doing it 😂 maybe you are focusing too much on negativity and that's all you see",
">\n\nSaying “small dick energy” is inherently a negative thing because it’s an insult. It also implies that there’s something bad about less endowed people because Tate is being compared to that demographic. \nWhen I say society, I mean that a decent percentage of people have “____ dick energy” built into their vocabulary to the point where the meaning of these terms is widely agreed on and it loses it’s direct connection to the penis. This doesn’t mean that the term is appropriate to use though since it originated from actual body shaming.",
">\n\nBattle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.",
">\n\nI think you should consider the situation at hand and less the use of insults as an absolute \nAndrew Tate absolutely deserves it",
">\n\nthe post its about the insult. \n\"Yeah I called this person a N... but lets focus on how bad that person is!!\"\nThe insult not only its very inflammatory (shows patriarcal estigmas,Its body shaming, reinforces toxic masculinity)\nIts also an extremely weak answer, its a groundless ad hominem. I would dare to argue the insult talks more about breta and his internalized toxic patriarcal estigmas than anything against tate.",
">\n\nGreta didn't start this. He was harassing her.",
">\n\n\"He started it\" -That's a toddler's excuse lmao",
">\n\nSo, in your opinion, Greta would have insulted him whether he had harassed her first, or not?",
">\n\nHer insulting him isn't the problem here. Its how she insulted him that's problematic.",
">\n\nWell, if he didn't want to be insulted, he could've done pretty much anything else with his time. I love the way you think people should be able to gatekeep how other people should hurt the feelings of people who are harassing them.",
">\n\nI'm not defending him or saying his feelings are hurt or that he doesn't deserve the insult. You're completely missing the point of this post and what we've been discussing. \n\"Body shaming is acceptable when it's directed at people we don't like\"- this is the hypocrisy that's being pointed out. It's not about who's better Tate or Greta but it's the bigger issue of shaming men's insecurities without any regard to their mental health. Do you get it now?",
">\n\nI think I do. It hadn't occurred to me that you might have a small penis. My apologies. Perhaps just as Greta Thurnberg travels the world as an advocate for awareness of Climate Change, you can break down the stereotype that people with small penises have energy. You should probably do as little as possible, though, since you don't want to be accused of having \"energy.\"",
">\n\nWasted my time replying after your \"he started it\" comment smh. Toddler mentality gugu gaga talk to me after you understand the issue.\nEdit: issue",
">\n\nI'm sorry about your peepee. But you have taught me not to trust stereotypes. And learning is fundamental."
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First of all "small dick energy" shames the energy, not the small dick. It shames the fact to be insecure by your dick size (which is a metaphor for being insecure about your masculinity in general) and overcompensate by doing big manly stuff. It doesn't shame the fact to have a small dick.
You can argue that it is as bad, but it's important to understand that.
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"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult.",
">\n\nIt's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh.",
">\n\nHonestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV",
">\n\nPeople can make mistakes and this was one of them.. so we can all just criticize her reply fairly and move on. No need for acute mental gymnastics to defend her as this comments section is showing lmao.",
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">\n\nI don't think anyone is arguing it's not offensive. I'm pretty sure she was trying to offend insecure men. Apparently with great success.",
">\n\nShe was trying to offend men who were insecure about their body image?\nHow is that not body shaming?",
">\n\nIt is, but we playing the avoidance and rationalization game",
">\n\nbecause women invented \"small dick energy\"\nharsh, sad. but we go jim🗿",
">\n\nOP never mentioned women tho. Post is strictly about why it's offensive. Do you disagree that it's not offensive or you think it's a trivial matter to make fun of that men's mental health doesn't matter as much?",
">\n\nThe female equivalent is\n\"Loose Pussy Energy\".\nThe typical man-hate hypocrisy commonly going around is beyond obvious. And it is an attack on All men and boys not just some.",
">\n\nNot a disagreement per se, but also worth noting that it’s transphobic. Which is to say, it insults all men by reinforcing patriarchy and punching down to two groups of men.",
">\n\nShe said small dick energy. Not that he had a small dick (though, come on). She used that phrase BECAUSE it's Tate. She's not a moron.\nHe is, as evidenced by his life to this point and his two responses to Thunberg, which were epically pathetic, is a moron and didn't seem to get it, though he doesn't get a lot.",
">\n\nThis is worse than saying he has a small dick, because how would she know, and that would just be dismissed as stupid.\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\nI can't understand the mental gymnastics some people are doing to try and say this isn't body shaming.",
">\n\n\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\n\nI mean yeah -- kind of like how pussy is an insult denoting cowardice, cunt is an insult meaning basically, terrible, etc., \nShe used that on purpose. Are you making CMV every time you see someone calling someone else a pussy?",
">\n\nPussy is kind of already known to be a shitty gendered insult so it doesn't need a CMV. In this case, Greta's gendered \"having a small penis is bad\" tweet is massively amplified, reached r/all on a shitload of subs, etc. so some discussion about whether or not that is cool is warranted",
">\n\nSmall dick energy isn’t about having a small dick tho. It’s a reflection of an attitude that men who are offensive, aggressive, nasty to people are overcompensating for their insecurities. A small dick doesn’t mean you won’t be able to find a partner or that you’re any less of a man. Being a downright trash bag of a human to others, like in this instance where an internet edgelord is cyber bullying a teenager on the internet who is fighting for the survival of our planet/humanity is an example of this trash behavior, is more of a determining factor. \nYou can also have a small dick but have big dick energy, as it’s reflective of who you are as a person. It’s an attitude. It’s who you choose to be to yourself and others. Hell, there’s women who use the term that they have big dick energy and I can tell you those women’s dicks are none existent so therefore size isn’t a thing. \nNo one should be made fun of for something they had no control over. The worth of a man is not tied to the size of his penis. Although, toxic masculinity and shallow people will tell you different. They say the same for disabled people, fat people etc. There’s plenty of people who are not “conventional standards of beauty” which is the majority of us, that lead happy, healthy relationships. Those relationships start with yourself and understanding your worth as a person isn’t tied to what you look like or how big your junk is. \nThe point is if you choose to be a trash person like Tate, where your self worth is tied into how cruel/offensive you can be to other people, don’t be mad if people call you out for that trashy attitude. Your post definitely reeks of “men are the true victims” when clearly you didn’t seem to have a problem with a grown man cyber bullying a teenager.",
">\n\nI like how you imply that OP is a fan of a literal human trafficker because they point out that a body-shaming insult is body-shaming. Do you understand why associating a trait of someone's body with negative personality traits is bad?",
">\n\nNo because people like this always have exceptions that allow them to use the things they complain about. Cognitive gymnastics allows them to recognise shaming women and people of colour is bad, because society will eat them otherwise, but when someone shows up who deserves a bit of a roasting all of their social etiquette rules go out the window and the excuses come out as to why in this context it doesn't count.\n\"Ahh no, here it is a reflection of an attitude\" blah blah 3 paragraphs later and we've clouded over the simple fact that body shaming is body shaming and harms people you weren't intending to insult.",
">\n\nPeople like this? You’re assuming things about me because I am a character in your mind not a real person. I am not a monolith. We should not be body shaming people. I am explaining the other side of this issue and why people use these terms. You never asked if I use these same terms in my life. You assumed I do. I don’t. You didn’t even bother to read my response because if you did you would have realized this.",
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">\n\nYou can have smol pp but big pp energy and vice versa",
">\n\nSo why is the phrase small dick energy if it has nothing to do with having a small dick?",
">\n\nIdk man, I just work here.",
">\n\nYou know why. Lol cause small dick is associated with bad. And by insulting dicks you use this knowledge to offend, at the cost of body shaming people. \nStop feigning dumb just to avoid the reasoning lol",
">\n\nI can see how it would be offensive, and I wouldn’t use it myself. I feel like the phrase refers more to how someone acts as opposed to how they are endowed. And how it’s behavior and actions that make people think down of you not your penis.",
">\n\nPoint is that we, as a society, should encourage better insults that attack the comments of the person without necessarily having to equate it to something someone with a small dick.",
">\n\nWould you agree with me, that if Andrew clapped back with one of those that the internet would be up in arms about it?",
">\n\nYou mean the way that you are, here, on the internet, up in arms?",
">\n\nIm one person on reddit, theres no major backlash like there would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\nSee, what's happening here is that you are also looking at people who are \"one person on Reddit\" and pretending it's a major backlash. Andrew Tate says fucked up things about women all the time (in fact, it's kind of his whole schtick) and it's as much of a non-event as this is.",
">\n\nPlease link me to something fucked up hes said about women, and ill agree with you, two wrongs don't make a right.",
">\n\nHere's exhibit A.",
">\n\nSure I agree with you he has said fucked up stuff about women, it doesn't mean its okay to make a joke about small dick energy.\nDo you understand my point?",
">\n\nWe understand, it's just that your point is fucking stupid",
">\n\nYou have no idea what his point is, it's funny that people on this thread OP and others actually like Andrew Tate.\nIt proves that everyone is completely frothingly tribalistic with zero nuance.",
">\n\nIf someone is behaving insufferably, people are going to laugh at them for things that they wouldn’t find funny if it happened to someone they liked.\nFor example, is it funny when people go bankrupt? No. Would it be funny if someone like Andrew Tate went bankrupt after boasting about Bugattis and all of his mass wealth? Yes. This doesn’t mean people who would make fun of him for that are making fun of poverty or all people who lose their livelihoods, it would just be funny if it happened to that particular person. \nIn the same way, the idea that Tate does all the douchey, over the top macho things that he does in order to compensate for having a small penis is funny, whilst it not being funny to make fun of every person who has a small penis.",
">\n\nSubstitute fat. Is that ok?",
">\n\nDepends on what the fat person is doing. If the person is minding their own business then no, if the fat person is attacking other people’s appearances then yeah go for it.",
">\n\nInteresting take. Might want to play with that a bit. A lot of situations where your reasoning falls apart.",
">\n\nPeople insulted Trump for being fat when he tried to say he was like the most fit person ever. People make fun of Elon Musk's body. You can make the same type of insult to two different people and it come off two different ways. \nWhen you make your identity or argument around something it opens up certain insults and comebacks. \nTate's whole thing is trying to act like this \"alpha male\" when in reality he's a sex trafficking weirdo who pays women to hang out with him. It's totally fine to insult him with a childish insult. \nI also find that people worried or mad about this don't actually care about body image issues. They just want a gotcha moment for people. Because many would have shitty takes about fat people or whine about pc culture.",
">\n\nWhen you call some MF that doesn't necessarily mean you are a MF... I'm not saying it's okay to say abusing words but we still do use them.\nI don't think she said it in literal terms, it was completely literary. Also she only said it cause it was Tate who she said it to. Also if a woman has small tits and someone said to someone else that they have small tits energy, I don't think one who actually has small tits would mind it, cause she is not involved and it's kinda perfect way of irritating Tate.. cause he really cares about these things. \nWhen it comes to increasing the insecurity of someone who actually has small D and is insecure about it... She couldn't think so far cause all she wanted was to irritate Tate and she was successful",
">\n\nI don't think it even irritated him if that was her goal but definitely helped him with popularity. It just proves what he says people think of insecure men, it just moves them to him and he gains more influence. It was an ignorant reply in poor taste. Someone with much following and influence as Greta shouldn't be as irresponsible and the followers shouldn't be having to do mental gymnastics to defend her instead of seeing it as it is: body shaming against men.",
">\n\nIs this some kind of weird meta-game? Are Andrew Tate fans pretending to actually be offended by this stupid insult to prove a point? Does anybody actually think her retort was any sharper than a brick wrapped in a wet blanket?\nWhat is going on here?!",
">\n\n\nWhat is going on here?!\n\nAndrew Tate fans have a lot of small dick energy. That's whats going on.",
">\n\nWhy are people not allowed dislike tate (he's an absolute idiot and a grifter) and also to criticize obvious body shaming from a supposed progressive? If Biden started talking about \"N*gger energy\" criticizing Kanye for antisemitism, would that be ok in your eyes? Would you say that a black guy who doesn't like that must be an angry Kanye fan? Or is it disgustingly offensive towards all African Americans to use that type of language no matter what?",
">\n\nBecause it suits their narrative to frame it as if people are just defending tate. It's easier than just actually defending body shaming. Done deal.",
">\n\nI think Greta used that phrase not because she actually believes or wants to promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior, but because people like Andrew Tate believe and promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior. If Andrew Tate gets hurt because Greta says he has small dick energy, then maybe -- just maybe, with the tiniest bit of introspection -- he'll come to realize how hateful some of his language is.\nBullies like Andrew Tate don't really respond to logic or pleas for sympathy. The only way to maybe make them understand the hurt they cause is to inflict it on them, because they don't care about anyone but themselves. \nSo instead of putting the cart before the horse and blaming Greta for using an offensive phrase as an argumentative tactic, maybe blame the people who use the phrase to actually demean people.",
">\n\nCan we substitute fat instead and be justified?",
">\n\nYes people did that with Trump when he claimed to be the fittest person ever basically. If someone has a habit of insulting people a certain way or making certain claims then they open themselves up to specific insults. \nSometimes we'd find those insults not tasteful if said to other people. But I feel like most people equating this to fat insults don't actually care about fat people. A lot of people would also be like oh things are getting too pc or soft or woke when it comes to body positivity towards fat people. So for me it's hard to buy this line of reasoning as being truly valid or caring.",
">\n\nNo one said it has to be authentic caring. This sub is for exploring the intellectual arguments. Your perception of how authentic someone’s feelings towards fat people is basically irrelevant. Argue the point or don’t. Passing your authenticity test is a wierd standard to try to argue for.",
">\n\nSorry, u/AlternativeFukts – your comment has been removed for breaking Rule 5: \n\nComments must contribute meaningfully to the conversation. \n\nComments should be on-topic, serious, and contain enough content to move the discussion forward. Jokes, contradictions without explanation, links without context, off-topic comments, and \"written upvotes\" will be removed. Read the wiki for more information. \nIf you would like to appeal, review our appeals process here, then message the moderators by clicking this link within one week of this notice being posted.",
">\n\nYes, making insults is offensive. That's the point.\nInsults that reference a body part are also offensive to people who are insecure about that body part. That's also kinda obvious.\nWhat do you want your mind changed about here? I'm unclear about what you think can be discussed about an insult meant to be insulting. Are you arguing that this insult is especially wrong in some way?\nHow is this not just you soapboxing?",
">\n\nThere's a reason as a society we don't use insults like \"retard\". This is in the same vein. You're attributing a negative thing with a man having a small penis. This is harmful as it perpetuates the stigma surrounding penis size which is outside ones control. Essentially it degrades a group of people who have nothing to do with it. OP wants to know whether or not this is reconciled. Reading the comments... It has not been. \nMaking gendered insults doesn't bother me truthfully but I can understand the frustration OP is expressing because were it to be a man making some edgy reference to a woman's lady parts being inadequate as a way to demean them then everyone would be outraged as opposed to cheering it on.",
">\n\nUsing “small dick” as an insult, or “loose pussy” isn’t really offensive unless you are insecure about the physical viability of your reproductive organs. \nBut, that doesn’t make it funny. It’s a really juvenile and uncreative way of ridiculing someone.",
">\n\nInsecure women are offended when they're fat shamed.\nIt's still body shaming.\nIt's still wrong.",
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">\n\nGuy randomly decides to flex on her by saying I HAVE CARS AND I LIKE TO GO VROOOOM. It's like when Piers decides that it's absolutely important to eat meat in front of vegans. It's not about penis size. It's just that smalldickenergy is a perfect explanation of why would someone decide to behave like this.",
">\n\nShe is 19. Maybe in a few years she will have more mature insults. It’s a lot of pressure to be put on someone so young to also say the perfect thing all the time",
">\n\nUnder nearly all circumstances, I agree with you.\nHowever, for a lot of people who have built a cult of personality around any given ideal, insults of the inoffensive type are completely commonplace. All they have to do is fend off one or two instances of this PG rated attacks, strawman them, call them snowflakes, and their following is bolstered and enhanced. Instead of having any negative effect, it becomes part of their inherent power.\nSometimes if you want to rattle a cult leader you have to hit with precision their most critical weakness and watch them implode. The fact that Tate is squirming so hard and doing everything he can to reclaim some of his dignity after Greta's clapback means that she has his number. Great isn't saying that having a small dick is bad, but knowing that Tate's entire personality is built about being an alpha male and that calling into question the size of his member will hurt him the most is what she was after. \nOf course, it wasn't classy and could be offensive to some. But as the saying goes, sometimes you have to fight fire with fire.",
">\n\nReally is he squirming? \nHe's rich he's popular and now he's gotten someone he disagrees with to repeat his ideology and platform spreading it to a wider audience. \nI'd argue he's happy for the attention and popularity that she's given to him now and enjoying the increased sales in his business as more men who feel marginalized and left out join him seeing this hypocrisy playing out. Not to mention all the political players( internationally) who were against climate action seeing all this and aligning themselves appropriately, possibly propping him up and making him something more than what he actually is- An ignorant troll. \nEngage with a troll and you only give them more power. The tweet was dumb and people should know better.\nEdit: spacing",
">\n\nI'm not commenting on whether or not his fans will like him more or if the controversy will inadvertently grant him a wider audience. \nI'm commenting that Greta knew exactly where and how to hit him the hardest. Yes, he is definitely squirming. He has scrambled out half a dozen prepubescent \"I know you are but what am I\" tweets. Then he went and made the absolute cringiest response video. He's incensed by being talked down to by Greta and is overcompensating. \nDid her tweet have any net positive effect on society? No. Did it ruffle Tate's feathers and make his blood boil? Yea. Would he have even cared if she called him a misogynistic prick? Absolutely not. He would have just told her to sit down and shut up, that misogyny is made up by inferior women blah blah blah...\nInstead, his insecurities are eating him alive.",
">\n\nWhy even respond and give him attention that he so desperately craves? And why body shame men in the process? \nIf she didn't have a better insult she could have just went on with her life instead of helping him grow. Using \"small dick energy\" as an insult means implicitly we agree that people with small penises are inferior and undesirable. That's basically what Tate is on about ( Toxic masculinity). And by laughing at her tweet we all reinforce that perception. Do you get that? \nSick of double standards and hypocrisy. At least people should have the courage to own up and acknowledge it then move on instead of doubling down and performing mental gymnastics to justify an obvious case of body shaming.\nI agree with you on one thing that the net effect on society because of this tweet exchange is negative and only serves the people who Greta and her followers hate.",
">\n\nI think you are missing what I am saying. I fully agree that it wasn't necessary nor was it the right thing for Greta to do. I also agree that it just gives him attention and was overall a useless venture other for the entertainment of Tate haters.\nOP asked why it is okay. I stated that it isn't okay but that I understand why Greta took that road rather than the suggested non-offensive approach. It is because he's immune to it. What he isn't immune to is his masculinity and ego being questioned. What is the point of the Wolf continuing to blow on the brick house? None. To get to the scared little piggies inside he needs a jackhammer. \nAnd it worked exactly how she planned it to. He was rattled and anyone who hates Tate is amused. \nNot saying it's the right thing to do, nor do I want anyone to feel ashamed of the size of their penis.",
">\n\nOk.. thanks for elaborating on that. I misunderstood your comment as a disagreement and engaged to try and change your mind but seems we share the same view.",
">\n\nYou do not know what Greta is \"fully aware\" of. She is referring to character and behaviour, why are you taking this personally? She isn't speaking to you, hasn't seen you, doesn't know you. I don't know why you are externalizing your issue like this and waving it around in public, is it our responsibility to fix this for you?\nShe was just making a tiny joke. Relax. smalldickenergy @ getalife .com is hilarious.",
">\n\nAside from everything else, it's men who started the 'big dick energy' idiocy so to then complain when someone uses their own stupidity against them...",
">\n\nYeah because men are a monolith and we all meet in a room and know each other smh.",
">\n\nThey’re saying it’s offensive to more than just Andrew Tate",
">\n\nYeah but again, ISN'T THE PURPOSE",
">\n\nWhat do you mean again? You didn’t say that before. And why does the purpose matter? You can do a bad thing without meaning to.",
">\n\nI meant to say isn't that the purpose lol mb",
">\n\nOh lol I probably should have realized that. But I think the point of the insult was to offend Andrew Tate.",
">\n\nFair. Trying to not say anything about him one way or another so I don't get downvoted to hell.",
">\n\nGreta lost that argument. She literally has like a hundred things Tate has said and done she could attack. Easy target... The one thing she chose to do is to body shame the man. It's just name calling. It's not a refutation of Tate. If anything it makes her sound stupid for her inability to come up with a refutation.",
">\n\nExactly. But people are just cheering her on and laughing along without grasping the nuance of the situation.",
">\n\nI think you are kinda missing the point. People know it offensive. The issue is that they don't care.",
">\n\nPeople used to make fun of small tits all the time. Remember the 90s? Remember the itty bitty titty committee? I don't know if that's a thing any more, but skinny women with no butts are definitely not seen as attractive. It's not fair. It's not their fault. People need to stop shaming themselves and eachother, and accept all bodies. Until then, \"small dick energy\" won't cease to be an insult. I guess the difference is people are sort of \"punching up\" since it's always been people with dicks who have the power in this world. I've never heard a dude say that another dude has \"small dick energy.\" It's always a woman saying that. Either way I think it's dumb but I get it. I've always thought \"Karen\" was a dumb insult too. Not someone's fault they were named Karen, LOL.",
">\n\nAndrew insulted her. He was asking for this insult. She was totally in the right. She wasn’t trying to shame anyone else. You’re asking for this insult too.",
">\n\nIsn't it more offensive for small pp folk, that there is a guy who base his entire existence on top of an argument that being an alpha, prime male is the most important thing in the world, and you need to be a testosterone bomb gorilla to have any kind of value. Isn't that argument disregards small dick guys in the first place?",
">\n\nAnd Greta just reinforced it with her reply. Do you see the problem now?\nEdit:replaced \"comment\" with \"reply\"",
">\n\nI believe I've already made a statement about what the problem is.",
">\n\nThen do you understand why Greta's reply is offensive and playing into Andrew Tate's hands?",
">\n\nLol this is twitter. There is no playing into each other's hands. Get outside.",
">\n\nOh look. Greta is human. Someone who spent a lot of her growing up time trying to educate people.\nIf she was in a bar and some doofus made a pass, she's just asserting herself. Age and context. Good on her.",
">\n\nIt is actually been studied. Men with small penises actually do have less energy- testosterone or something.",
">\n\nBeing offended by anything is each person's individual choice. If something is offensive to you, then simply choose to not be offended by it. It's truly that simple.",
">\n\nSo there is no such thing as hate speech?",
">\n\nNo, I didn't say that. Someone can certainly say something to someone that they hate with words that they feel will harm them mentally. That is \"hate speech\". The point I was trying to make is that we all as individuals have the choice to react to whatever someone says in whatever way we choose to react. If I feel offended by something that someone is saying, it is my choice to be offended by it.",
">\n\nI pretty much agree, but now we come to who decides. Does the person doing the talking decide whether it is hate speech? Or the person being talked at?",
">\n\nThere is no decision. The person who is talking thinks that what they are saying is not hateful, or they do. The person being talked at thinks that what the other person is saying is hateful, or they don't. The point is that it only matters if you make it matter to you. For example, if I say you are the dumbest person on earth, am I committing the crime of hate speech? Are you the dumbest person on earth? Probably not. But maybe I believe that you are. Does that make it true? If so, then it's not hate speech it's the truth...to me. If you, personally, believe that you are not the dumbest person on earth, then why would you concern yourself with what my dumbass has to say? To you, I'm the dumbest person on earth. I hope I'm getting my point across here.",
">\n\nSo we agree then? No laws regarding hate speech at all. You just ignore it and move on.",
">\n\nYes, sir.",
">\n\nYup",
">\n\nWhat if I say that I am offended that you are offended that you say \"small dick energy\" is offensive to men that are insecure about their size? Say I'm a man with a huge, massive dong. Say it's been a huge issue for me all my life. Let's say, hypothetically, that I am hugely insecure about the massive size of my dong and it's given me problems all my life. Every time I, hypothetically, go for a jog it's constantly flopping all over the place chaffing up my leg. Every time I have sex it's always this huge issue and only like half of the thing can go in before the receiver is like \"oh my god, stop, that's too much!\" Every time I receive oral sex, anything more than an inch beyond the tip causes a gag reflex. Does that sound exciting to you? Here you are bragging about your completely normal sized penis and all your normal sized penis sex and here this hypothetical person with a huge massive dong has all these issues. I can see how a hypothetical person with this debilitating issue would take offense that you take offense.",
">\n\nShe's an edgelord",
">\n\nreddit",
">\n\nSounds like a skill issue",
">\n\nDo you really get that offended? It's not like males themselves haven't sexualized females and their bodies and have said even worse and more common things about them? But we get offended over sum small? pun intended",
">\n\n“Some males have sexualized females therefore it’s fine for society to make fun of penis size.”",
">\n\nSociety? I don't see everyone (which represents society) doing it 😂 maybe you are focusing too much on negativity and that's all you see",
">\n\nSaying “small dick energy” is inherently a negative thing because it’s an insult. It also implies that there’s something bad about less endowed people because Tate is being compared to that demographic. \nWhen I say society, I mean that a decent percentage of people have “____ dick energy” built into their vocabulary to the point where the meaning of these terms is widely agreed on and it loses it’s direct connection to the penis. This doesn’t mean that the term is appropriate to use though since it originated from actual body shaming.",
">\n\nBattle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.",
">\n\nI think you should consider the situation at hand and less the use of insults as an absolute \nAndrew Tate absolutely deserves it",
">\n\nthe post its about the insult. \n\"Yeah I called this person a N... but lets focus on how bad that person is!!\"\nThe insult not only its very inflammatory (shows patriarcal estigmas,Its body shaming, reinforces toxic masculinity)\nIts also an extremely weak answer, its a groundless ad hominem. I would dare to argue the insult talks more about breta and his internalized toxic patriarcal estigmas than anything against tate.",
">\n\nGreta didn't start this. He was harassing her.",
">\n\n\"He started it\" -That's a toddler's excuse lmao",
">\n\nSo, in your opinion, Greta would have insulted him whether he had harassed her first, or not?",
">\n\nHer insulting him isn't the problem here. Its how she insulted him that's problematic.",
">\n\nWell, if he didn't want to be insulted, he could've done pretty much anything else with his time. I love the way you think people should be able to gatekeep how other people should hurt the feelings of people who are harassing them.",
">\n\nI'm not defending him or saying his feelings are hurt or that he doesn't deserve the insult. You're completely missing the point of this post and what we've been discussing. \n\"Body shaming is acceptable when it's directed at people we don't like\"- this is the hypocrisy that's being pointed out. It's not about who's better Tate or Greta but it's the bigger issue of shaming men's insecurities without any regard to their mental health. Do you get it now?",
">\n\nI think I do. It hadn't occurred to me that you might have a small penis. My apologies. Perhaps just as Greta Thurnberg travels the world as an advocate for awareness of Climate Change, you can break down the stereotype that people with small penises have energy. You should probably do as little as possible, though, since you don't want to be accused of having \"energy.\"",
">\n\nWasted my time replying after your \"he started it\" comment smh. Toddler mentality gugu gaga talk to me after you understand the issue.\nEdit: issue",
">\n\nI'm sorry about your peepee. But you have taught me not to trust stereotypes. And learning is fundamental.",
">\n\nI almost forgot. Please don't use the word toddler. It's offensive to small children."
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"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult.",
">\n\nIt's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh.",
">\n\nHonestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV",
">\n\nPeople can make mistakes and this was one of them.. so we can all just criticize her reply fairly and move on. No need for acute mental gymnastics to defend her as this comments section is showing lmao.",
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">\n\nI don't think anyone is arguing it's not offensive. I'm pretty sure she was trying to offend insecure men. Apparently with great success.",
">\n\nShe was trying to offend men who were insecure about their body image?\nHow is that not body shaming?",
">\n\nIt is, but we playing the avoidance and rationalization game",
">\n\nbecause women invented \"small dick energy\"\nharsh, sad. but we go jim🗿",
">\n\nOP never mentioned women tho. Post is strictly about why it's offensive. Do you disagree that it's not offensive or you think it's a trivial matter to make fun of that men's mental health doesn't matter as much?",
">\n\nThe female equivalent is\n\"Loose Pussy Energy\".\nThe typical man-hate hypocrisy commonly going around is beyond obvious. And it is an attack on All men and boys not just some.",
">\n\nNot a disagreement per se, but also worth noting that it’s transphobic. Which is to say, it insults all men by reinforcing patriarchy and punching down to two groups of men.",
">\n\nShe said small dick energy. Not that he had a small dick (though, come on). She used that phrase BECAUSE it's Tate. She's not a moron.\nHe is, as evidenced by his life to this point and his two responses to Thunberg, which were epically pathetic, is a moron and didn't seem to get it, though he doesn't get a lot.",
">\n\nThis is worse than saying he has a small dick, because how would she know, and that would just be dismissed as stupid.\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\nI can't understand the mental gymnastics some people are doing to try and say this isn't body shaming.",
">\n\n\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\n\nI mean yeah -- kind of like how pussy is an insult denoting cowardice, cunt is an insult meaning basically, terrible, etc., \nShe used that on purpose. Are you making CMV every time you see someone calling someone else a pussy?",
">\n\nPussy is kind of already known to be a shitty gendered insult so it doesn't need a CMV. In this case, Greta's gendered \"having a small penis is bad\" tweet is massively amplified, reached r/all on a shitload of subs, etc. so some discussion about whether or not that is cool is warranted",
">\n\nSmall dick energy isn’t about having a small dick tho. It’s a reflection of an attitude that men who are offensive, aggressive, nasty to people are overcompensating for their insecurities. A small dick doesn’t mean you won’t be able to find a partner or that you’re any less of a man. Being a downright trash bag of a human to others, like in this instance where an internet edgelord is cyber bullying a teenager on the internet who is fighting for the survival of our planet/humanity is an example of this trash behavior, is more of a determining factor. \nYou can also have a small dick but have big dick energy, as it’s reflective of who you are as a person. It’s an attitude. It’s who you choose to be to yourself and others. Hell, there’s women who use the term that they have big dick energy and I can tell you those women’s dicks are none existent so therefore size isn’t a thing. \nNo one should be made fun of for something they had no control over. The worth of a man is not tied to the size of his penis. Although, toxic masculinity and shallow people will tell you different. They say the same for disabled people, fat people etc. There’s plenty of people who are not “conventional standards of beauty” which is the majority of us, that lead happy, healthy relationships. Those relationships start with yourself and understanding your worth as a person isn’t tied to what you look like or how big your junk is. \nThe point is if you choose to be a trash person like Tate, where your self worth is tied into how cruel/offensive you can be to other people, don’t be mad if people call you out for that trashy attitude. Your post definitely reeks of “men are the true victims” when clearly you didn’t seem to have a problem with a grown man cyber bullying a teenager.",
">\n\nI like how you imply that OP is a fan of a literal human trafficker because they point out that a body-shaming insult is body-shaming. Do you understand why associating a trait of someone's body with negative personality traits is bad?",
">\n\nNo because people like this always have exceptions that allow them to use the things they complain about. Cognitive gymnastics allows them to recognise shaming women and people of colour is bad, because society will eat them otherwise, but when someone shows up who deserves a bit of a roasting all of their social etiquette rules go out the window and the excuses come out as to why in this context it doesn't count.\n\"Ahh no, here it is a reflection of an attitude\" blah blah 3 paragraphs later and we've clouded over the simple fact that body shaming is body shaming and harms people you weren't intending to insult.",
">\n\nPeople like this? You’re assuming things about me because I am a character in your mind not a real person. I am not a monolith. We should not be body shaming people. I am explaining the other side of this issue and why people use these terms. You never asked if I use these same terms in my life. You assumed I do. I don’t. You didn’t even bother to read my response because if you did you would have realized this.",
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">\n\nYou can have smol pp but big pp energy and vice versa",
">\n\nSo why is the phrase small dick energy if it has nothing to do with having a small dick?",
">\n\nIdk man, I just work here.",
">\n\nYou know why. Lol cause small dick is associated with bad. And by insulting dicks you use this knowledge to offend, at the cost of body shaming people. \nStop feigning dumb just to avoid the reasoning lol",
">\n\nI can see how it would be offensive, and I wouldn’t use it myself. I feel like the phrase refers more to how someone acts as opposed to how they are endowed. And how it’s behavior and actions that make people think down of you not your penis.",
">\n\nPoint is that we, as a society, should encourage better insults that attack the comments of the person without necessarily having to equate it to something someone with a small dick.",
">\n\nWould you agree with me, that if Andrew clapped back with one of those that the internet would be up in arms about it?",
">\n\nYou mean the way that you are, here, on the internet, up in arms?",
">\n\nIm one person on reddit, theres no major backlash like there would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\nSee, what's happening here is that you are also looking at people who are \"one person on Reddit\" and pretending it's a major backlash. Andrew Tate says fucked up things about women all the time (in fact, it's kind of his whole schtick) and it's as much of a non-event as this is.",
">\n\nPlease link me to something fucked up hes said about women, and ill agree with you, two wrongs don't make a right.",
">\n\nHere's exhibit A.",
">\n\nSure I agree with you he has said fucked up stuff about women, it doesn't mean its okay to make a joke about small dick energy.\nDo you understand my point?",
">\n\nWe understand, it's just that your point is fucking stupid",
">\n\nYou have no idea what his point is, it's funny that people on this thread OP and others actually like Andrew Tate.\nIt proves that everyone is completely frothingly tribalistic with zero nuance.",
">\n\nIf someone is behaving insufferably, people are going to laugh at them for things that they wouldn’t find funny if it happened to someone they liked.\nFor example, is it funny when people go bankrupt? No. Would it be funny if someone like Andrew Tate went bankrupt after boasting about Bugattis and all of his mass wealth? Yes. This doesn’t mean people who would make fun of him for that are making fun of poverty or all people who lose their livelihoods, it would just be funny if it happened to that particular person. \nIn the same way, the idea that Tate does all the douchey, over the top macho things that he does in order to compensate for having a small penis is funny, whilst it not being funny to make fun of every person who has a small penis.",
">\n\nSubstitute fat. Is that ok?",
">\n\nDepends on what the fat person is doing. If the person is minding their own business then no, if the fat person is attacking other people’s appearances then yeah go for it.",
">\n\nInteresting take. Might want to play with that a bit. A lot of situations where your reasoning falls apart.",
">\n\nPeople insulted Trump for being fat when he tried to say he was like the most fit person ever. People make fun of Elon Musk's body. You can make the same type of insult to two different people and it come off two different ways. \nWhen you make your identity or argument around something it opens up certain insults and comebacks. \nTate's whole thing is trying to act like this \"alpha male\" when in reality he's a sex trafficking weirdo who pays women to hang out with him. It's totally fine to insult him with a childish insult. \nI also find that people worried or mad about this don't actually care about body image issues. They just want a gotcha moment for people. Because many would have shitty takes about fat people or whine about pc culture.",
">\n\nWhen you call some MF that doesn't necessarily mean you are a MF... I'm not saying it's okay to say abusing words but we still do use them.\nI don't think she said it in literal terms, it was completely literary. Also she only said it cause it was Tate who she said it to. Also if a woman has small tits and someone said to someone else that they have small tits energy, I don't think one who actually has small tits would mind it, cause she is not involved and it's kinda perfect way of irritating Tate.. cause he really cares about these things. \nWhen it comes to increasing the insecurity of someone who actually has small D and is insecure about it... She couldn't think so far cause all she wanted was to irritate Tate and she was successful",
">\n\nI don't think it even irritated him if that was her goal but definitely helped him with popularity. It just proves what he says people think of insecure men, it just moves them to him and he gains more influence. It was an ignorant reply in poor taste. Someone with much following and influence as Greta shouldn't be as irresponsible and the followers shouldn't be having to do mental gymnastics to defend her instead of seeing it as it is: body shaming against men.",
">\n\nIs this some kind of weird meta-game? Are Andrew Tate fans pretending to actually be offended by this stupid insult to prove a point? Does anybody actually think her retort was any sharper than a brick wrapped in a wet blanket?\nWhat is going on here?!",
">\n\n\nWhat is going on here?!\n\nAndrew Tate fans have a lot of small dick energy. That's whats going on.",
">\n\nWhy are people not allowed dislike tate (he's an absolute idiot and a grifter) and also to criticize obvious body shaming from a supposed progressive? If Biden started talking about \"N*gger energy\" criticizing Kanye for antisemitism, would that be ok in your eyes? Would you say that a black guy who doesn't like that must be an angry Kanye fan? Or is it disgustingly offensive towards all African Americans to use that type of language no matter what?",
">\n\nBecause it suits their narrative to frame it as if people are just defending tate. It's easier than just actually defending body shaming. Done deal.",
">\n\nI think Greta used that phrase not because she actually believes or wants to promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior, but because people like Andrew Tate believe and promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior. If Andrew Tate gets hurt because Greta says he has small dick energy, then maybe -- just maybe, with the tiniest bit of introspection -- he'll come to realize how hateful some of his language is.\nBullies like Andrew Tate don't really respond to logic or pleas for sympathy. The only way to maybe make them understand the hurt they cause is to inflict it on them, because they don't care about anyone but themselves. \nSo instead of putting the cart before the horse and blaming Greta for using an offensive phrase as an argumentative tactic, maybe blame the people who use the phrase to actually demean people.",
">\n\nCan we substitute fat instead and be justified?",
">\n\nYes people did that with Trump when he claimed to be the fittest person ever basically. If someone has a habit of insulting people a certain way or making certain claims then they open themselves up to specific insults. \nSometimes we'd find those insults not tasteful if said to other people. But I feel like most people equating this to fat insults don't actually care about fat people. A lot of people would also be like oh things are getting too pc or soft or woke when it comes to body positivity towards fat people. So for me it's hard to buy this line of reasoning as being truly valid or caring.",
">\n\nNo one said it has to be authentic caring. This sub is for exploring the intellectual arguments. Your perception of how authentic someone’s feelings towards fat people is basically irrelevant. Argue the point or don’t. Passing your authenticity test is a wierd standard to try to argue for.",
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">\n\nYes, making insults is offensive. That's the point.\nInsults that reference a body part are also offensive to people who are insecure about that body part. That's also kinda obvious.\nWhat do you want your mind changed about here? I'm unclear about what you think can be discussed about an insult meant to be insulting. Are you arguing that this insult is especially wrong in some way?\nHow is this not just you soapboxing?",
">\n\nThere's a reason as a society we don't use insults like \"retard\". This is in the same vein. You're attributing a negative thing with a man having a small penis. This is harmful as it perpetuates the stigma surrounding penis size which is outside ones control. Essentially it degrades a group of people who have nothing to do with it. OP wants to know whether or not this is reconciled. Reading the comments... It has not been. \nMaking gendered insults doesn't bother me truthfully but I can understand the frustration OP is expressing because were it to be a man making some edgy reference to a woman's lady parts being inadequate as a way to demean them then everyone would be outraged as opposed to cheering it on.",
">\n\nUsing “small dick” as an insult, or “loose pussy” isn’t really offensive unless you are insecure about the physical viability of your reproductive organs. \nBut, that doesn’t make it funny. It’s a really juvenile and uncreative way of ridiculing someone.",
">\n\nInsecure women are offended when they're fat shamed.\nIt's still body shaming.\nIt's still wrong.",
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">\n\nGuy randomly decides to flex on her by saying I HAVE CARS AND I LIKE TO GO VROOOOM. It's like when Piers decides that it's absolutely important to eat meat in front of vegans. It's not about penis size. It's just that smalldickenergy is a perfect explanation of why would someone decide to behave like this.",
">\n\nShe is 19. Maybe in a few years she will have more mature insults. It’s a lot of pressure to be put on someone so young to also say the perfect thing all the time",
">\n\nUnder nearly all circumstances, I agree with you.\nHowever, for a lot of people who have built a cult of personality around any given ideal, insults of the inoffensive type are completely commonplace. All they have to do is fend off one or two instances of this PG rated attacks, strawman them, call them snowflakes, and their following is bolstered and enhanced. Instead of having any negative effect, it becomes part of their inherent power.\nSometimes if you want to rattle a cult leader you have to hit with precision their most critical weakness and watch them implode. The fact that Tate is squirming so hard and doing everything he can to reclaim some of his dignity after Greta's clapback means that she has his number. Great isn't saying that having a small dick is bad, but knowing that Tate's entire personality is built about being an alpha male and that calling into question the size of his member will hurt him the most is what she was after. \nOf course, it wasn't classy and could be offensive to some. But as the saying goes, sometimes you have to fight fire with fire.",
">\n\nReally is he squirming? \nHe's rich he's popular and now he's gotten someone he disagrees with to repeat his ideology and platform spreading it to a wider audience. \nI'd argue he's happy for the attention and popularity that she's given to him now and enjoying the increased sales in his business as more men who feel marginalized and left out join him seeing this hypocrisy playing out. Not to mention all the political players( internationally) who were against climate action seeing all this and aligning themselves appropriately, possibly propping him up and making him something more than what he actually is- An ignorant troll. \nEngage with a troll and you only give them more power. The tweet was dumb and people should know better.\nEdit: spacing",
">\n\nI'm not commenting on whether or not his fans will like him more or if the controversy will inadvertently grant him a wider audience. \nI'm commenting that Greta knew exactly where and how to hit him the hardest. Yes, he is definitely squirming. He has scrambled out half a dozen prepubescent \"I know you are but what am I\" tweets. Then he went and made the absolute cringiest response video. He's incensed by being talked down to by Greta and is overcompensating. \nDid her tweet have any net positive effect on society? No. Did it ruffle Tate's feathers and make his blood boil? Yea. Would he have even cared if she called him a misogynistic prick? Absolutely not. He would have just told her to sit down and shut up, that misogyny is made up by inferior women blah blah blah...\nInstead, his insecurities are eating him alive.",
">\n\nWhy even respond and give him attention that he so desperately craves? And why body shame men in the process? \nIf she didn't have a better insult she could have just went on with her life instead of helping him grow. Using \"small dick energy\" as an insult means implicitly we agree that people with small penises are inferior and undesirable. That's basically what Tate is on about ( Toxic masculinity). And by laughing at her tweet we all reinforce that perception. Do you get that? \nSick of double standards and hypocrisy. At least people should have the courage to own up and acknowledge it then move on instead of doubling down and performing mental gymnastics to justify an obvious case of body shaming.\nI agree with you on one thing that the net effect on society because of this tweet exchange is negative and only serves the people who Greta and her followers hate.",
">\n\nI think you are missing what I am saying. I fully agree that it wasn't necessary nor was it the right thing for Greta to do. I also agree that it just gives him attention and was overall a useless venture other for the entertainment of Tate haters.\nOP asked why it is okay. I stated that it isn't okay but that I understand why Greta took that road rather than the suggested non-offensive approach. It is because he's immune to it. What he isn't immune to is his masculinity and ego being questioned. What is the point of the Wolf continuing to blow on the brick house? None. To get to the scared little piggies inside he needs a jackhammer. \nAnd it worked exactly how she planned it to. He was rattled and anyone who hates Tate is amused. \nNot saying it's the right thing to do, nor do I want anyone to feel ashamed of the size of their penis.",
">\n\nOk.. thanks for elaborating on that. I misunderstood your comment as a disagreement and engaged to try and change your mind but seems we share the same view.",
">\n\nYou do not know what Greta is \"fully aware\" of. She is referring to character and behaviour, why are you taking this personally? She isn't speaking to you, hasn't seen you, doesn't know you. I don't know why you are externalizing your issue like this and waving it around in public, is it our responsibility to fix this for you?\nShe was just making a tiny joke. Relax. smalldickenergy @ getalife .com is hilarious.",
">\n\nAside from everything else, it's men who started the 'big dick energy' idiocy so to then complain when someone uses their own stupidity against them...",
">\n\nYeah because men are a monolith and we all meet in a room and know each other smh.",
">\n\nThey’re saying it’s offensive to more than just Andrew Tate",
">\n\nYeah but again, ISN'T THE PURPOSE",
">\n\nWhat do you mean again? You didn’t say that before. And why does the purpose matter? You can do a bad thing without meaning to.",
">\n\nI meant to say isn't that the purpose lol mb",
">\n\nOh lol I probably should have realized that. But I think the point of the insult was to offend Andrew Tate.",
">\n\nFair. Trying to not say anything about him one way or another so I don't get downvoted to hell.",
">\n\nGreta lost that argument. She literally has like a hundred things Tate has said and done she could attack. Easy target... The one thing she chose to do is to body shame the man. It's just name calling. It's not a refutation of Tate. If anything it makes her sound stupid for her inability to come up with a refutation.",
">\n\nExactly. But people are just cheering her on and laughing along without grasping the nuance of the situation.",
">\n\nI think you are kinda missing the point. People know it offensive. The issue is that they don't care.",
">\n\nPeople used to make fun of small tits all the time. Remember the 90s? Remember the itty bitty titty committee? I don't know if that's a thing any more, but skinny women with no butts are definitely not seen as attractive. It's not fair. It's not their fault. People need to stop shaming themselves and eachother, and accept all bodies. Until then, \"small dick energy\" won't cease to be an insult. I guess the difference is people are sort of \"punching up\" since it's always been people with dicks who have the power in this world. I've never heard a dude say that another dude has \"small dick energy.\" It's always a woman saying that. Either way I think it's dumb but I get it. I've always thought \"Karen\" was a dumb insult too. Not someone's fault they were named Karen, LOL.",
">\n\nAndrew insulted her. He was asking for this insult. She was totally in the right. She wasn’t trying to shame anyone else. You’re asking for this insult too.",
">\n\nIsn't it more offensive for small pp folk, that there is a guy who base his entire existence on top of an argument that being an alpha, prime male is the most important thing in the world, and you need to be a testosterone bomb gorilla to have any kind of value. Isn't that argument disregards small dick guys in the first place?",
">\n\nAnd Greta just reinforced it with her reply. Do you see the problem now?\nEdit:replaced \"comment\" with \"reply\"",
">\n\nI believe I've already made a statement about what the problem is.",
">\n\nThen do you understand why Greta's reply is offensive and playing into Andrew Tate's hands?",
">\n\nLol this is twitter. There is no playing into each other's hands. Get outside.",
">\n\nOh look. Greta is human. Someone who spent a lot of her growing up time trying to educate people.\nIf she was in a bar and some doofus made a pass, she's just asserting herself. Age and context. Good on her.",
">\n\nIt is actually been studied. Men with small penises actually do have less energy- testosterone or something.",
">\n\nBeing offended by anything is each person's individual choice. If something is offensive to you, then simply choose to not be offended by it. It's truly that simple.",
">\n\nSo there is no such thing as hate speech?",
">\n\nNo, I didn't say that. Someone can certainly say something to someone that they hate with words that they feel will harm them mentally. That is \"hate speech\". The point I was trying to make is that we all as individuals have the choice to react to whatever someone says in whatever way we choose to react. If I feel offended by something that someone is saying, it is my choice to be offended by it.",
">\n\nI pretty much agree, but now we come to who decides. Does the person doing the talking decide whether it is hate speech? Or the person being talked at?",
">\n\nThere is no decision. The person who is talking thinks that what they are saying is not hateful, or they do. The person being talked at thinks that what the other person is saying is hateful, or they don't. The point is that it only matters if you make it matter to you. For example, if I say you are the dumbest person on earth, am I committing the crime of hate speech? Are you the dumbest person on earth? Probably not. But maybe I believe that you are. Does that make it true? If so, then it's not hate speech it's the truth...to me. If you, personally, believe that you are not the dumbest person on earth, then why would you concern yourself with what my dumbass has to say? To you, I'm the dumbest person on earth. I hope I'm getting my point across here.",
">\n\nSo we agree then? No laws regarding hate speech at all. You just ignore it and move on.",
">\n\nYes, sir.",
">\n\nYup",
">\n\nWhat if I say that I am offended that you are offended that you say \"small dick energy\" is offensive to men that are insecure about their size? Say I'm a man with a huge, massive dong. Say it's been a huge issue for me all my life. Let's say, hypothetically, that I am hugely insecure about the massive size of my dong and it's given me problems all my life. Every time I, hypothetically, go for a jog it's constantly flopping all over the place chaffing up my leg. Every time I have sex it's always this huge issue and only like half of the thing can go in before the receiver is like \"oh my god, stop, that's too much!\" Every time I receive oral sex, anything more than an inch beyond the tip causes a gag reflex. Does that sound exciting to you? Here you are bragging about your completely normal sized penis and all your normal sized penis sex and here this hypothetical person with a huge massive dong has all these issues. I can see how a hypothetical person with this debilitating issue would take offense that you take offense.",
">\n\nShe's an edgelord",
">\n\nreddit",
">\n\nSounds like a skill issue",
">\n\nDo you really get that offended? It's not like males themselves haven't sexualized females and their bodies and have said even worse and more common things about them? But we get offended over sum small? pun intended",
">\n\n“Some males have sexualized females therefore it’s fine for society to make fun of penis size.”",
">\n\nSociety? I don't see everyone (which represents society) doing it 😂 maybe you are focusing too much on negativity and that's all you see",
">\n\nSaying “small dick energy” is inherently a negative thing because it’s an insult. It also implies that there’s something bad about less endowed people because Tate is being compared to that demographic. \nWhen I say society, I mean that a decent percentage of people have “____ dick energy” built into their vocabulary to the point where the meaning of these terms is widely agreed on and it loses it’s direct connection to the penis. This doesn’t mean that the term is appropriate to use though since it originated from actual body shaming.",
">\n\nBattle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.",
">\n\nI think you should consider the situation at hand and less the use of insults as an absolute \nAndrew Tate absolutely deserves it",
">\n\nthe post its about the insult. \n\"Yeah I called this person a N... but lets focus on how bad that person is!!\"\nThe insult not only its very inflammatory (shows patriarcal estigmas,Its body shaming, reinforces toxic masculinity)\nIts also an extremely weak answer, its a groundless ad hominem. I would dare to argue the insult talks more about breta and his internalized toxic patriarcal estigmas than anything against tate.",
">\n\nGreta didn't start this. He was harassing her.",
">\n\n\"He started it\" -That's a toddler's excuse lmao",
">\n\nSo, in your opinion, Greta would have insulted him whether he had harassed her first, or not?",
">\n\nHer insulting him isn't the problem here. Its how she insulted him that's problematic.",
">\n\nWell, if he didn't want to be insulted, he could've done pretty much anything else with his time. I love the way you think people should be able to gatekeep how other people should hurt the feelings of people who are harassing them.",
">\n\nI'm not defending him or saying his feelings are hurt or that he doesn't deserve the insult. You're completely missing the point of this post and what we've been discussing. \n\"Body shaming is acceptable when it's directed at people we don't like\"- this is the hypocrisy that's being pointed out. It's not about who's better Tate or Greta but it's the bigger issue of shaming men's insecurities without any regard to their mental health. Do you get it now?",
">\n\nI think I do. It hadn't occurred to me that you might have a small penis. My apologies. Perhaps just as Greta Thurnberg travels the world as an advocate for awareness of Climate Change, you can break down the stereotype that people with small penises have energy. You should probably do as little as possible, though, since you don't want to be accused of having \"energy.\"",
">\n\nWasted my time replying after your \"he started it\" comment smh. Toddler mentality gugu gaga talk to me after you understand the issue.\nEdit: issue",
">\n\nI'm sorry about your peepee. But you have taught me not to trust stereotypes. And learning is fundamental.",
">\n\nI almost forgot. Please don't use the word toddler. It's offensive to small children.",
">\n\nFirst of all \"small dick energy\" shames the energy, not the small dick. It shames the fact to be insecure by your dick size (which is a metaphor for being insecure about your masculinity in general) and overcompensate by doing big manly stuff. It doesn't shame the fact to have a small dick.\nYou can argue that it is as bad, but it's important to understand that."
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Technically yes its body shaming but it's not that big a deal I think
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"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult.",
">\n\nIt's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh.",
">\n\nHonestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV",
">\n\nPeople can make mistakes and this was one of them.. so we can all just criticize her reply fairly and move on. No need for acute mental gymnastics to defend her as this comments section is showing lmao.",
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">\n\nI don't think anyone is arguing it's not offensive. I'm pretty sure she was trying to offend insecure men. Apparently with great success.",
">\n\nShe was trying to offend men who were insecure about their body image?\nHow is that not body shaming?",
">\n\nIt is, but we playing the avoidance and rationalization game",
">\n\nbecause women invented \"small dick energy\"\nharsh, sad. but we go jim🗿",
">\n\nOP never mentioned women tho. Post is strictly about why it's offensive. Do you disagree that it's not offensive or you think it's a trivial matter to make fun of that men's mental health doesn't matter as much?",
">\n\nThe female equivalent is\n\"Loose Pussy Energy\".\nThe typical man-hate hypocrisy commonly going around is beyond obvious. And it is an attack on All men and boys not just some.",
">\n\nNot a disagreement per se, but also worth noting that it’s transphobic. Which is to say, it insults all men by reinforcing patriarchy and punching down to two groups of men.",
">\n\nShe said small dick energy. Not that he had a small dick (though, come on). She used that phrase BECAUSE it's Tate. She's not a moron.\nHe is, as evidenced by his life to this point and his two responses to Thunberg, which were epically pathetic, is a moron and didn't seem to get it, though he doesn't get a lot.",
">\n\nThis is worse than saying he has a small dick, because how would she know, and that would just be dismissed as stupid.\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\nI can't understand the mental gymnastics some people are doing to try and say this isn't body shaming.",
">\n\n\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\n\nI mean yeah -- kind of like how pussy is an insult denoting cowardice, cunt is an insult meaning basically, terrible, etc., \nShe used that on purpose. Are you making CMV every time you see someone calling someone else a pussy?",
">\n\nPussy is kind of already known to be a shitty gendered insult so it doesn't need a CMV. In this case, Greta's gendered \"having a small penis is bad\" tweet is massively amplified, reached r/all on a shitload of subs, etc. so some discussion about whether or not that is cool is warranted",
">\n\nSmall dick energy isn’t about having a small dick tho. It’s a reflection of an attitude that men who are offensive, aggressive, nasty to people are overcompensating for their insecurities. A small dick doesn’t mean you won’t be able to find a partner or that you’re any less of a man. Being a downright trash bag of a human to others, like in this instance where an internet edgelord is cyber bullying a teenager on the internet who is fighting for the survival of our planet/humanity is an example of this trash behavior, is more of a determining factor. \nYou can also have a small dick but have big dick energy, as it’s reflective of who you are as a person. It’s an attitude. It’s who you choose to be to yourself and others. Hell, there’s women who use the term that they have big dick energy and I can tell you those women’s dicks are none existent so therefore size isn’t a thing. \nNo one should be made fun of for something they had no control over. The worth of a man is not tied to the size of his penis. Although, toxic masculinity and shallow people will tell you different. They say the same for disabled people, fat people etc. There’s plenty of people who are not “conventional standards of beauty” which is the majority of us, that lead happy, healthy relationships. Those relationships start with yourself and understanding your worth as a person isn’t tied to what you look like or how big your junk is. \nThe point is if you choose to be a trash person like Tate, where your self worth is tied into how cruel/offensive you can be to other people, don’t be mad if people call you out for that trashy attitude. Your post definitely reeks of “men are the true victims” when clearly you didn’t seem to have a problem with a grown man cyber bullying a teenager.",
">\n\nI like how you imply that OP is a fan of a literal human trafficker because they point out that a body-shaming insult is body-shaming. Do you understand why associating a trait of someone's body with negative personality traits is bad?",
">\n\nNo because people like this always have exceptions that allow them to use the things they complain about. Cognitive gymnastics allows them to recognise shaming women and people of colour is bad, because society will eat them otherwise, but when someone shows up who deserves a bit of a roasting all of their social etiquette rules go out the window and the excuses come out as to why in this context it doesn't count.\n\"Ahh no, here it is a reflection of an attitude\" blah blah 3 paragraphs later and we've clouded over the simple fact that body shaming is body shaming and harms people you weren't intending to insult.",
">\n\nPeople like this? You’re assuming things about me because I am a character in your mind not a real person. I am not a monolith. We should not be body shaming people. I am explaining the other side of this issue and why people use these terms. You never asked if I use these same terms in my life. You assumed I do. I don’t. You didn’t even bother to read my response because if you did you would have realized this.",
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">\n\nYou can have smol pp but big pp energy and vice versa",
">\n\nSo why is the phrase small dick energy if it has nothing to do with having a small dick?",
">\n\nIdk man, I just work here.",
">\n\nYou know why. Lol cause small dick is associated with bad. And by insulting dicks you use this knowledge to offend, at the cost of body shaming people. \nStop feigning dumb just to avoid the reasoning lol",
">\n\nI can see how it would be offensive, and I wouldn’t use it myself. I feel like the phrase refers more to how someone acts as opposed to how they are endowed. And how it’s behavior and actions that make people think down of you not your penis.",
">\n\nPoint is that we, as a society, should encourage better insults that attack the comments of the person without necessarily having to equate it to something someone with a small dick.",
">\n\nWould you agree with me, that if Andrew clapped back with one of those that the internet would be up in arms about it?",
">\n\nYou mean the way that you are, here, on the internet, up in arms?",
">\n\nIm one person on reddit, theres no major backlash like there would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\nSee, what's happening here is that you are also looking at people who are \"one person on Reddit\" and pretending it's a major backlash. Andrew Tate says fucked up things about women all the time (in fact, it's kind of his whole schtick) and it's as much of a non-event as this is.",
">\n\nPlease link me to something fucked up hes said about women, and ill agree with you, two wrongs don't make a right.",
">\n\nHere's exhibit A.",
">\n\nSure I agree with you he has said fucked up stuff about women, it doesn't mean its okay to make a joke about small dick energy.\nDo you understand my point?",
">\n\nWe understand, it's just that your point is fucking stupid",
">\n\nYou have no idea what his point is, it's funny that people on this thread OP and others actually like Andrew Tate.\nIt proves that everyone is completely frothingly tribalistic with zero nuance.",
">\n\nIf someone is behaving insufferably, people are going to laugh at them for things that they wouldn’t find funny if it happened to someone they liked.\nFor example, is it funny when people go bankrupt? No. Would it be funny if someone like Andrew Tate went bankrupt after boasting about Bugattis and all of his mass wealth? Yes. This doesn’t mean people who would make fun of him for that are making fun of poverty or all people who lose their livelihoods, it would just be funny if it happened to that particular person. \nIn the same way, the idea that Tate does all the douchey, over the top macho things that he does in order to compensate for having a small penis is funny, whilst it not being funny to make fun of every person who has a small penis.",
">\n\nSubstitute fat. Is that ok?",
">\n\nDepends on what the fat person is doing. If the person is minding their own business then no, if the fat person is attacking other people’s appearances then yeah go for it.",
">\n\nInteresting take. Might want to play with that a bit. A lot of situations where your reasoning falls apart.",
">\n\nPeople insulted Trump for being fat when he tried to say he was like the most fit person ever. People make fun of Elon Musk's body. You can make the same type of insult to two different people and it come off two different ways. \nWhen you make your identity or argument around something it opens up certain insults and comebacks. \nTate's whole thing is trying to act like this \"alpha male\" when in reality he's a sex trafficking weirdo who pays women to hang out with him. It's totally fine to insult him with a childish insult. \nI also find that people worried or mad about this don't actually care about body image issues. They just want a gotcha moment for people. Because many would have shitty takes about fat people or whine about pc culture.",
">\n\nWhen you call some MF that doesn't necessarily mean you are a MF... I'm not saying it's okay to say abusing words but we still do use them.\nI don't think she said it in literal terms, it was completely literary. Also she only said it cause it was Tate who she said it to. Also if a woman has small tits and someone said to someone else that they have small tits energy, I don't think one who actually has small tits would mind it, cause she is not involved and it's kinda perfect way of irritating Tate.. cause he really cares about these things. \nWhen it comes to increasing the insecurity of someone who actually has small D and is insecure about it... She couldn't think so far cause all she wanted was to irritate Tate and she was successful",
">\n\nI don't think it even irritated him if that was her goal but definitely helped him with popularity. It just proves what he says people think of insecure men, it just moves them to him and he gains more influence. It was an ignorant reply in poor taste. Someone with much following and influence as Greta shouldn't be as irresponsible and the followers shouldn't be having to do mental gymnastics to defend her instead of seeing it as it is: body shaming against men.",
">\n\nIs this some kind of weird meta-game? Are Andrew Tate fans pretending to actually be offended by this stupid insult to prove a point? Does anybody actually think her retort was any sharper than a brick wrapped in a wet blanket?\nWhat is going on here?!",
">\n\n\nWhat is going on here?!\n\nAndrew Tate fans have a lot of small dick energy. That's whats going on.",
">\n\nWhy are people not allowed dislike tate (he's an absolute idiot and a grifter) and also to criticize obvious body shaming from a supposed progressive? If Biden started talking about \"N*gger energy\" criticizing Kanye for antisemitism, would that be ok in your eyes? Would you say that a black guy who doesn't like that must be an angry Kanye fan? Or is it disgustingly offensive towards all African Americans to use that type of language no matter what?",
">\n\nBecause it suits their narrative to frame it as if people are just defending tate. It's easier than just actually defending body shaming. Done deal.",
">\n\nI think Greta used that phrase not because she actually believes or wants to promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior, but because people like Andrew Tate believe and promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior. If Andrew Tate gets hurt because Greta says he has small dick energy, then maybe -- just maybe, with the tiniest bit of introspection -- he'll come to realize how hateful some of his language is.\nBullies like Andrew Tate don't really respond to logic or pleas for sympathy. The only way to maybe make them understand the hurt they cause is to inflict it on them, because they don't care about anyone but themselves. \nSo instead of putting the cart before the horse and blaming Greta for using an offensive phrase as an argumentative tactic, maybe blame the people who use the phrase to actually demean people.",
">\n\nCan we substitute fat instead and be justified?",
">\n\nYes people did that with Trump when he claimed to be the fittest person ever basically. If someone has a habit of insulting people a certain way or making certain claims then they open themselves up to specific insults. \nSometimes we'd find those insults not tasteful if said to other people. But I feel like most people equating this to fat insults don't actually care about fat people. A lot of people would also be like oh things are getting too pc or soft or woke when it comes to body positivity towards fat people. So for me it's hard to buy this line of reasoning as being truly valid or caring.",
">\n\nNo one said it has to be authentic caring. This sub is for exploring the intellectual arguments. Your perception of how authentic someone’s feelings towards fat people is basically irrelevant. Argue the point or don’t. Passing your authenticity test is a wierd standard to try to argue for.",
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">\n\nYes, making insults is offensive. That's the point.\nInsults that reference a body part are also offensive to people who are insecure about that body part. That's also kinda obvious.\nWhat do you want your mind changed about here? I'm unclear about what you think can be discussed about an insult meant to be insulting. Are you arguing that this insult is especially wrong in some way?\nHow is this not just you soapboxing?",
">\n\nThere's a reason as a society we don't use insults like \"retard\". This is in the same vein. You're attributing a negative thing with a man having a small penis. This is harmful as it perpetuates the stigma surrounding penis size which is outside ones control. Essentially it degrades a group of people who have nothing to do with it. OP wants to know whether or not this is reconciled. Reading the comments... It has not been. \nMaking gendered insults doesn't bother me truthfully but I can understand the frustration OP is expressing because were it to be a man making some edgy reference to a woman's lady parts being inadequate as a way to demean them then everyone would be outraged as opposed to cheering it on.",
">\n\nUsing “small dick” as an insult, or “loose pussy” isn’t really offensive unless you are insecure about the physical viability of your reproductive organs. \nBut, that doesn’t make it funny. It’s a really juvenile and uncreative way of ridiculing someone.",
">\n\nInsecure women are offended when they're fat shamed.\nIt's still body shaming.\nIt's still wrong.",
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">\n\nGuy randomly decides to flex on her by saying I HAVE CARS AND I LIKE TO GO VROOOOM. It's like when Piers decides that it's absolutely important to eat meat in front of vegans. It's not about penis size. It's just that smalldickenergy is a perfect explanation of why would someone decide to behave like this.",
">\n\nShe is 19. Maybe in a few years she will have more mature insults. It’s a lot of pressure to be put on someone so young to also say the perfect thing all the time",
">\n\nUnder nearly all circumstances, I agree with you.\nHowever, for a lot of people who have built a cult of personality around any given ideal, insults of the inoffensive type are completely commonplace. All they have to do is fend off one or two instances of this PG rated attacks, strawman them, call them snowflakes, and their following is bolstered and enhanced. Instead of having any negative effect, it becomes part of their inherent power.\nSometimes if you want to rattle a cult leader you have to hit with precision their most critical weakness and watch them implode. The fact that Tate is squirming so hard and doing everything he can to reclaim some of his dignity after Greta's clapback means that she has his number. Great isn't saying that having a small dick is bad, but knowing that Tate's entire personality is built about being an alpha male and that calling into question the size of his member will hurt him the most is what she was after. \nOf course, it wasn't classy and could be offensive to some. But as the saying goes, sometimes you have to fight fire with fire.",
">\n\nReally is he squirming? \nHe's rich he's popular and now he's gotten someone he disagrees with to repeat his ideology and platform spreading it to a wider audience. \nI'd argue he's happy for the attention and popularity that she's given to him now and enjoying the increased sales in his business as more men who feel marginalized and left out join him seeing this hypocrisy playing out. Not to mention all the political players( internationally) who were against climate action seeing all this and aligning themselves appropriately, possibly propping him up and making him something more than what he actually is- An ignorant troll. \nEngage with a troll and you only give them more power. The tweet was dumb and people should know better.\nEdit: spacing",
">\n\nI'm not commenting on whether or not his fans will like him more or if the controversy will inadvertently grant him a wider audience. \nI'm commenting that Greta knew exactly where and how to hit him the hardest. Yes, he is definitely squirming. He has scrambled out half a dozen prepubescent \"I know you are but what am I\" tweets. Then he went and made the absolute cringiest response video. He's incensed by being talked down to by Greta and is overcompensating. \nDid her tweet have any net positive effect on society? No. Did it ruffle Tate's feathers and make his blood boil? Yea. Would he have even cared if she called him a misogynistic prick? Absolutely not. He would have just told her to sit down and shut up, that misogyny is made up by inferior women blah blah blah...\nInstead, his insecurities are eating him alive.",
">\n\nWhy even respond and give him attention that he so desperately craves? And why body shame men in the process? \nIf she didn't have a better insult she could have just went on with her life instead of helping him grow. Using \"small dick energy\" as an insult means implicitly we agree that people with small penises are inferior and undesirable. That's basically what Tate is on about ( Toxic masculinity). And by laughing at her tweet we all reinforce that perception. Do you get that? \nSick of double standards and hypocrisy. At least people should have the courage to own up and acknowledge it then move on instead of doubling down and performing mental gymnastics to justify an obvious case of body shaming.\nI agree with you on one thing that the net effect on society because of this tweet exchange is negative and only serves the people who Greta and her followers hate.",
">\n\nI think you are missing what I am saying. I fully agree that it wasn't necessary nor was it the right thing for Greta to do. I also agree that it just gives him attention and was overall a useless venture other for the entertainment of Tate haters.\nOP asked why it is okay. I stated that it isn't okay but that I understand why Greta took that road rather than the suggested non-offensive approach. It is because he's immune to it. What he isn't immune to is his masculinity and ego being questioned. What is the point of the Wolf continuing to blow on the brick house? None. To get to the scared little piggies inside he needs a jackhammer. \nAnd it worked exactly how she planned it to. He was rattled and anyone who hates Tate is amused. \nNot saying it's the right thing to do, nor do I want anyone to feel ashamed of the size of their penis.",
">\n\nOk.. thanks for elaborating on that. I misunderstood your comment as a disagreement and engaged to try and change your mind but seems we share the same view.",
">\n\nYou do not know what Greta is \"fully aware\" of. She is referring to character and behaviour, why are you taking this personally? She isn't speaking to you, hasn't seen you, doesn't know you. I don't know why you are externalizing your issue like this and waving it around in public, is it our responsibility to fix this for you?\nShe was just making a tiny joke. Relax. smalldickenergy @ getalife .com is hilarious.",
">\n\nAside from everything else, it's men who started the 'big dick energy' idiocy so to then complain when someone uses their own stupidity against them...",
">\n\nYeah because men are a monolith and we all meet in a room and know each other smh.",
">\n\nThey’re saying it’s offensive to more than just Andrew Tate",
">\n\nYeah but again, ISN'T THE PURPOSE",
">\n\nWhat do you mean again? You didn’t say that before. And why does the purpose matter? You can do a bad thing without meaning to.",
">\n\nI meant to say isn't that the purpose lol mb",
">\n\nOh lol I probably should have realized that. But I think the point of the insult was to offend Andrew Tate.",
">\n\nFair. Trying to not say anything about him one way or another so I don't get downvoted to hell.",
">\n\nGreta lost that argument. She literally has like a hundred things Tate has said and done she could attack. Easy target... The one thing she chose to do is to body shame the man. It's just name calling. It's not a refutation of Tate. If anything it makes her sound stupid for her inability to come up with a refutation.",
">\n\nExactly. But people are just cheering her on and laughing along without grasping the nuance of the situation.",
">\n\nI think you are kinda missing the point. People know it offensive. The issue is that they don't care.",
">\n\nPeople used to make fun of small tits all the time. Remember the 90s? Remember the itty bitty titty committee? I don't know if that's a thing any more, but skinny women with no butts are definitely not seen as attractive. It's not fair. It's not their fault. People need to stop shaming themselves and eachother, and accept all bodies. Until then, \"small dick energy\" won't cease to be an insult. I guess the difference is people are sort of \"punching up\" since it's always been people with dicks who have the power in this world. I've never heard a dude say that another dude has \"small dick energy.\" It's always a woman saying that. Either way I think it's dumb but I get it. I've always thought \"Karen\" was a dumb insult too. Not someone's fault they were named Karen, LOL.",
">\n\nAndrew insulted her. He was asking for this insult. She was totally in the right. She wasn’t trying to shame anyone else. You’re asking for this insult too.",
">\n\nIsn't it more offensive for small pp folk, that there is a guy who base his entire existence on top of an argument that being an alpha, prime male is the most important thing in the world, and you need to be a testosterone bomb gorilla to have any kind of value. Isn't that argument disregards small dick guys in the first place?",
">\n\nAnd Greta just reinforced it with her reply. Do you see the problem now?\nEdit:replaced \"comment\" with \"reply\"",
">\n\nI believe I've already made a statement about what the problem is.",
">\n\nThen do you understand why Greta's reply is offensive and playing into Andrew Tate's hands?",
">\n\nLol this is twitter. There is no playing into each other's hands. Get outside.",
">\n\nOh look. Greta is human. Someone who spent a lot of her growing up time trying to educate people.\nIf she was in a bar and some doofus made a pass, she's just asserting herself. Age and context. Good on her.",
">\n\nIt is actually been studied. Men with small penises actually do have less energy- testosterone or something.",
">\n\nBeing offended by anything is each person's individual choice. If something is offensive to you, then simply choose to not be offended by it. It's truly that simple.",
">\n\nSo there is no such thing as hate speech?",
">\n\nNo, I didn't say that. Someone can certainly say something to someone that they hate with words that they feel will harm them mentally. That is \"hate speech\". The point I was trying to make is that we all as individuals have the choice to react to whatever someone says in whatever way we choose to react. If I feel offended by something that someone is saying, it is my choice to be offended by it.",
">\n\nI pretty much agree, but now we come to who decides. Does the person doing the talking decide whether it is hate speech? Or the person being talked at?",
">\n\nThere is no decision. The person who is talking thinks that what they are saying is not hateful, or they do. The person being talked at thinks that what the other person is saying is hateful, or they don't. The point is that it only matters if you make it matter to you. For example, if I say you are the dumbest person on earth, am I committing the crime of hate speech? Are you the dumbest person on earth? Probably not. But maybe I believe that you are. Does that make it true? If so, then it's not hate speech it's the truth...to me. If you, personally, believe that you are not the dumbest person on earth, then why would you concern yourself with what my dumbass has to say? To you, I'm the dumbest person on earth. I hope I'm getting my point across here.",
">\n\nSo we agree then? No laws regarding hate speech at all. You just ignore it and move on.",
">\n\nYes, sir.",
">\n\nYup",
">\n\nWhat if I say that I am offended that you are offended that you say \"small dick energy\" is offensive to men that are insecure about their size? Say I'm a man with a huge, massive dong. Say it's been a huge issue for me all my life. Let's say, hypothetically, that I am hugely insecure about the massive size of my dong and it's given me problems all my life. Every time I, hypothetically, go for a jog it's constantly flopping all over the place chaffing up my leg. Every time I have sex it's always this huge issue and only like half of the thing can go in before the receiver is like \"oh my god, stop, that's too much!\" Every time I receive oral sex, anything more than an inch beyond the tip causes a gag reflex. Does that sound exciting to you? Here you are bragging about your completely normal sized penis and all your normal sized penis sex and here this hypothetical person with a huge massive dong has all these issues. I can see how a hypothetical person with this debilitating issue would take offense that you take offense.",
">\n\nShe's an edgelord",
">\n\nreddit",
">\n\nSounds like a skill issue",
">\n\nDo you really get that offended? It's not like males themselves haven't sexualized females and their bodies and have said even worse and more common things about them? But we get offended over sum small? pun intended",
">\n\n“Some males have sexualized females therefore it’s fine for society to make fun of penis size.”",
">\n\nSociety? I don't see everyone (which represents society) doing it 😂 maybe you are focusing too much on negativity and that's all you see",
">\n\nSaying “small dick energy” is inherently a negative thing because it’s an insult. It also implies that there’s something bad about less endowed people because Tate is being compared to that demographic. \nWhen I say society, I mean that a decent percentage of people have “____ dick energy” built into their vocabulary to the point where the meaning of these terms is widely agreed on and it loses it’s direct connection to the penis. This doesn’t mean that the term is appropriate to use though since it originated from actual body shaming.",
">\n\nBattle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.",
">\n\nI think you should consider the situation at hand and less the use of insults as an absolute \nAndrew Tate absolutely deserves it",
">\n\nthe post its about the insult. \n\"Yeah I called this person a N... but lets focus on how bad that person is!!\"\nThe insult not only its very inflammatory (shows patriarcal estigmas,Its body shaming, reinforces toxic masculinity)\nIts also an extremely weak answer, its a groundless ad hominem. I would dare to argue the insult talks more about breta and his internalized toxic patriarcal estigmas than anything against tate.",
">\n\nGreta didn't start this. He was harassing her.",
">\n\n\"He started it\" -That's a toddler's excuse lmao",
">\n\nSo, in your opinion, Greta would have insulted him whether he had harassed her first, or not?",
">\n\nHer insulting him isn't the problem here. Its how she insulted him that's problematic.",
">\n\nWell, if he didn't want to be insulted, he could've done pretty much anything else with his time. I love the way you think people should be able to gatekeep how other people should hurt the feelings of people who are harassing them.",
">\n\nI'm not defending him or saying his feelings are hurt or that he doesn't deserve the insult. You're completely missing the point of this post and what we've been discussing. \n\"Body shaming is acceptable when it's directed at people we don't like\"- this is the hypocrisy that's being pointed out. It's not about who's better Tate or Greta but it's the bigger issue of shaming men's insecurities without any regard to their mental health. Do you get it now?",
">\n\nI think I do. It hadn't occurred to me that you might have a small penis. My apologies. Perhaps just as Greta Thurnberg travels the world as an advocate for awareness of Climate Change, you can break down the stereotype that people with small penises have energy. You should probably do as little as possible, though, since you don't want to be accused of having \"energy.\"",
">\n\nWasted my time replying after your \"he started it\" comment smh. Toddler mentality gugu gaga talk to me after you understand the issue.\nEdit: issue",
">\n\nI'm sorry about your peepee. But you have taught me not to trust stereotypes. And learning is fundamental.",
">\n\nI almost forgot. Please don't use the word toddler. It's offensive to small children.",
">\n\nFirst of all \"small dick energy\" shames the energy, not the small dick. It shames the fact to be insecure by your dick size (which is a metaphor for being insecure about your masculinity in general) and overcompensate by doing big manly stuff. It doesn't shame the fact to have a small dick.\nYou can argue that it is as bad, but it's important to understand that.",
">\n\nDon't be a cunt mate."
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It has more to do with how they're acting rather than actual anatomy size.
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"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult.",
">\n\nIt's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh.",
">\n\nHonestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV",
">\n\nPeople can make mistakes and this was one of them.. so we can all just criticize her reply fairly and move on. No need for acute mental gymnastics to defend her as this comments section is showing lmao.",
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">\n\nI don't think anyone is arguing it's not offensive. I'm pretty sure she was trying to offend insecure men. Apparently with great success.",
">\n\nShe was trying to offend men who were insecure about their body image?\nHow is that not body shaming?",
">\n\nIt is, but we playing the avoidance and rationalization game",
">\n\nbecause women invented \"small dick energy\"\nharsh, sad. but we go jim🗿",
">\n\nOP never mentioned women tho. Post is strictly about why it's offensive. Do you disagree that it's not offensive or you think it's a trivial matter to make fun of that men's mental health doesn't matter as much?",
">\n\nThe female equivalent is\n\"Loose Pussy Energy\".\nThe typical man-hate hypocrisy commonly going around is beyond obvious. And it is an attack on All men and boys not just some.",
">\n\nNot a disagreement per se, but also worth noting that it’s transphobic. Which is to say, it insults all men by reinforcing patriarchy and punching down to two groups of men.",
">\n\nShe said small dick energy. Not that he had a small dick (though, come on). She used that phrase BECAUSE it's Tate. She's not a moron.\nHe is, as evidenced by his life to this point and his two responses to Thunberg, which were epically pathetic, is a moron and didn't seem to get it, though he doesn't get a lot.",
">\n\nThis is worse than saying he has a small dick, because how would she know, and that would just be dismissed as stupid.\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\nI can't understand the mental gymnastics some people are doing to try and say this isn't body shaming.",
">\n\n\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\n\nI mean yeah -- kind of like how pussy is an insult denoting cowardice, cunt is an insult meaning basically, terrible, etc., \nShe used that on purpose. Are you making CMV every time you see someone calling someone else a pussy?",
">\n\nPussy is kind of already known to be a shitty gendered insult so it doesn't need a CMV. In this case, Greta's gendered \"having a small penis is bad\" tweet is massively amplified, reached r/all on a shitload of subs, etc. so some discussion about whether or not that is cool is warranted",
">\n\nSmall dick energy isn’t about having a small dick tho. It’s a reflection of an attitude that men who are offensive, aggressive, nasty to people are overcompensating for their insecurities. A small dick doesn’t mean you won’t be able to find a partner or that you’re any less of a man. Being a downright trash bag of a human to others, like in this instance where an internet edgelord is cyber bullying a teenager on the internet who is fighting for the survival of our planet/humanity is an example of this trash behavior, is more of a determining factor. \nYou can also have a small dick but have big dick energy, as it’s reflective of who you are as a person. It’s an attitude. It’s who you choose to be to yourself and others. Hell, there’s women who use the term that they have big dick energy and I can tell you those women’s dicks are none existent so therefore size isn’t a thing. \nNo one should be made fun of for something they had no control over. The worth of a man is not tied to the size of his penis. Although, toxic masculinity and shallow people will tell you different. They say the same for disabled people, fat people etc. There’s plenty of people who are not “conventional standards of beauty” which is the majority of us, that lead happy, healthy relationships. Those relationships start with yourself and understanding your worth as a person isn’t tied to what you look like or how big your junk is. \nThe point is if you choose to be a trash person like Tate, where your self worth is tied into how cruel/offensive you can be to other people, don’t be mad if people call you out for that trashy attitude. Your post definitely reeks of “men are the true victims” when clearly you didn’t seem to have a problem with a grown man cyber bullying a teenager.",
">\n\nI like how you imply that OP is a fan of a literal human trafficker because they point out that a body-shaming insult is body-shaming. Do you understand why associating a trait of someone's body with negative personality traits is bad?",
">\n\nNo because people like this always have exceptions that allow them to use the things they complain about. Cognitive gymnastics allows them to recognise shaming women and people of colour is bad, because society will eat them otherwise, but when someone shows up who deserves a bit of a roasting all of their social etiquette rules go out the window and the excuses come out as to why in this context it doesn't count.\n\"Ahh no, here it is a reflection of an attitude\" blah blah 3 paragraphs later and we've clouded over the simple fact that body shaming is body shaming and harms people you weren't intending to insult.",
">\n\nPeople like this? You’re assuming things about me because I am a character in your mind not a real person. I am not a monolith. We should not be body shaming people. I am explaining the other side of this issue and why people use these terms. You never asked if I use these same terms in my life. You assumed I do. I don’t. You didn’t even bother to read my response because if you did you would have realized this.",
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">\n\nYou can have smol pp but big pp energy and vice versa",
">\n\nSo why is the phrase small dick energy if it has nothing to do with having a small dick?",
">\n\nIdk man, I just work here.",
">\n\nYou know why. Lol cause small dick is associated with bad. And by insulting dicks you use this knowledge to offend, at the cost of body shaming people. \nStop feigning dumb just to avoid the reasoning lol",
">\n\nI can see how it would be offensive, and I wouldn’t use it myself. I feel like the phrase refers more to how someone acts as opposed to how they are endowed. And how it’s behavior and actions that make people think down of you not your penis.",
">\n\nPoint is that we, as a society, should encourage better insults that attack the comments of the person without necessarily having to equate it to something someone with a small dick.",
">\n\nWould you agree with me, that if Andrew clapped back with one of those that the internet would be up in arms about it?",
">\n\nYou mean the way that you are, here, on the internet, up in arms?",
">\n\nIm one person on reddit, theres no major backlash like there would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\nSee, what's happening here is that you are also looking at people who are \"one person on Reddit\" and pretending it's a major backlash. Andrew Tate says fucked up things about women all the time (in fact, it's kind of his whole schtick) and it's as much of a non-event as this is.",
">\n\nPlease link me to something fucked up hes said about women, and ill agree with you, two wrongs don't make a right.",
">\n\nHere's exhibit A.",
">\n\nSure I agree with you he has said fucked up stuff about women, it doesn't mean its okay to make a joke about small dick energy.\nDo you understand my point?",
">\n\nWe understand, it's just that your point is fucking stupid",
">\n\nYou have no idea what his point is, it's funny that people on this thread OP and others actually like Andrew Tate.\nIt proves that everyone is completely frothingly tribalistic with zero nuance.",
">\n\nIf someone is behaving insufferably, people are going to laugh at them for things that they wouldn’t find funny if it happened to someone they liked.\nFor example, is it funny when people go bankrupt? No. Would it be funny if someone like Andrew Tate went bankrupt after boasting about Bugattis and all of his mass wealth? Yes. This doesn’t mean people who would make fun of him for that are making fun of poverty or all people who lose their livelihoods, it would just be funny if it happened to that particular person. \nIn the same way, the idea that Tate does all the douchey, over the top macho things that he does in order to compensate for having a small penis is funny, whilst it not being funny to make fun of every person who has a small penis.",
">\n\nSubstitute fat. Is that ok?",
">\n\nDepends on what the fat person is doing. If the person is minding their own business then no, if the fat person is attacking other people’s appearances then yeah go for it.",
">\n\nInteresting take. Might want to play with that a bit. A lot of situations where your reasoning falls apart.",
">\n\nPeople insulted Trump for being fat when he tried to say he was like the most fit person ever. People make fun of Elon Musk's body. You can make the same type of insult to two different people and it come off two different ways. \nWhen you make your identity or argument around something it opens up certain insults and comebacks. \nTate's whole thing is trying to act like this \"alpha male\" when in reality he's a sex trafficking weirdo who pays women to hang out with him. It's totally fine to insult him with a childish insult. \nI also find that people worried or mad about this don't actually care about body image issues. They just want a gotcha moment for people. Because many would have shitty takes about fat people or whine about pc culture.",
">\n\nWhen you call some MF that doesn't necessarily mean you are a MF... I'm not saying it's okay to say abusing words but we still do use them.\nI don't think she said it in literal terms, it was completely literary. Also she only said it cause it was Tate who she said it to. Also if a woman has small tits and someone said to someone else that they have small tits energy, I don't think one who actually has small tits would mind it, cause she is not involved and it's kinda perfect way of irritating Tate.. cause he really cares about these things. \nWhen it comes to increasing the insecurity of someone who actually has small D and is insecure about it... She couldn't think so far cause all she wanted was to irritate Tate and she was successful",
">\n\nI don't think it even irritated him if that was her goal but definitely helped him with popularity. It just proves what he says people think of insecure men, it just moves them to him and he gains more influence. It was an ignorant reply in poor taste. Someone with much following and influence as Greta shouldn't be as irresponsible and the followers shouldn't be having to do mental gymnastics to defend her instead of seeing it as it is: body shaming against men.",
">\n\nIs this some kind of weird meta-game? Are Andrew Tate fans pretending to actually be offended by this stupid insult to prove a point? Does anybody actually think her retort was any sharper than a brick wrapped in a wet blanket?\nWhat is going on here?!",
">\n\n\nWhat is going on here?!\n\nAndrew Tate fans have a lot of small dick energy. That's whats going on.",
">\n\nWhy are people not allowed dislike tate (he's an absolute idiot and a grifter) and also to criticize obvious body shaming from a supposed progressive? If Biden started talking about \"N*gger energy\" criticizing Kanye for antisemitism, would that be ok in your eyes? Would you say that a black guy who doesn't like that must be an angry Kanye fan? Or is it disgustingly offensive towards all African Americans to use that type of language no matter what?",
">\n\nBecause it suits their narrative to frame it as if people are just defending tate. It's easier than just actually defending body shaming. Done deal.",
">\n\nI think Greta used that phrase not because she actually believes or wants to promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior, but because people like Andrew Tate believe and promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior. If Andrew Tate gets hurt because Greta says he has small dick energy, then maybe -- just maybe, with the tiniest bit of introspection -- he'll come to realize how hateful some of his language is.\nBullies like Andrew Tate don't really respond to logic or pleas for sympathy. The only way to maybe make them understand the hurt they cause is to inflict it on them, because they don't care about anyone but themselves. \nSo instead of putting the cart before the horse and blaming Greta for using an offensive phrase as an argumentative tactic, maybe blame the people who use the phrase to actually demean people.",
">\n\nCan we substitute fat instead and be justified?",
">\n\nYes people did that with Trump when he claimed to be the fittest person ever basically. If someone has a habit of insulting people a certain way or making certain claims then they open themselves up to specific insults. \nSometimes we'd find those insults not tasteful if said to other people. But I feel like most people equating this to fat insults don't actually care about fat people. A lot of people would also be like oh things are getting too pc or soft or woke when it comes to body positivity towards fat people. So for me it's hard to buy this line of reasoning as being truly valid or caring.",
">\n\nNo one said it has to be authentic caring. This sub is for exploring the intellectual arguments. Your perception of how authentic someone’s feelings towards fat people is basically irrelevant. Argue the point or don’t. Passing your authenticity test is a wierd standard to try to argue for.",
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">\n\nYes, making insults is offensive. That's the point.\nInsults that reference a body part are also offensive to people who are insecure about that body part. That's also kinda obvious.\nWhat do you want your mind changed about here? I'm unclear about what you think can be discussed about an insult meant to be insulting. Are you arguing that this insult is especially wrong in some way?\nHow is this not just you soapboxing?",
">\n\nThere's a reason as a society we don't use insults like \"retard\". This is in the same vein. You're attributing a negative thing with a man having a small penis. This is harmful as it perpetuates the stigma surrounding penis size which is outside ones control. Essentially it degrades a group of people who have nothing to do with it. OP wants to know whether or not this is reconciled. Reading the comments... It has not been. \nMaking gendered insults doesn't bother me truthfully but I can understand the frustration OP is expressing because were it to be a man making some edgy reference to a woman's lady parts being inadequate as a way to demean them then everyone would be outraged as opposed to cheering it on.",
">\n\nUsing “small dick” as an insult, or “loose pussy” isn’t really offensive unless you are insecure about the physical viability of your reproductive organs. \nBut, that doesn’t make it funny. It’s a really juvenile and uncreative way of ridiculing someone.",
">\n\nInsecure women are offended when they're fat shamed.\nIt's still body shaming.\nIt's still wrong.",
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">\n\nGuy randomly decides to flex on her by saying I HAVE CARS AND I LIKE TO GO VROOOOM. It's like when Piers decides that it's absolutely important to eat meat in front of vegans. It's not about penis size. It's just that smalldickenergy is a perfect explanation of why would someone decide to behave like this.",
">\n\nShe is 19. Maybe in a few years she will have more mature insults. It’s a lot of pressure to be put on someone so young to also say the perfect thing all the time",
">\n\nUnder nearly all circumstances, I agree with you.\nHowever, for a lot of people who have built a cult of personality around any given ideal, insults of the inoffensive type are completely commonplace. All they have to do is fend off one or two instances of this PG rated attacks, strawman them, call them snowflakes, and their following is bolstered and enhanced. Instead of having any negative effect, it becomes part of their inherent power.\nSometimes if you want to rattle a cult leader you have to hit with precision their most critical weakness and watch them implode. The fact that Tate is squirming so hard and doing everything he can to reclaim some of his dignity after Greta's clapback means that she has his number. Great isn't saying that having a small dick is bad, but knowing that Tate's entire personality is built about being an alpha male and that calling into question the size of his member will hurt him the most is what she was after. \nOf course, it wasn't classy and could be offensive to some. But as the saying goes, sometimes you have to fight fire with fire.",
">\n\nReally is he squirming? \nHe's rich he's popular and now he's gotten someone he disagrees with to repeat his ideology and platform spreading it to a wider audience. \nI'd argue he's happy for the attention and popularity that she's given to him now and enjoying the increased sales in his business as more men who feel marginalized and left out join him seeing this hypocrisy playing out. Not to mention all the political players( internationally) who were against climate action seeing all this and aligning themselves appropriately, possibly propping him up and making him something more than what he actually is- An ignorant troll. \nEngage with a troll and you only give them more power. The tweet was dumb and people should know better.\nEdit: spacing",
">\n\nI'm not commenting on whether or not his fans will like him more or if the controversy will inadvertently grant him a wider audience. \nI'm commenting that Greta knew exactly where and how to hit him the hardest. Yes, he is definitely squirming. He has scrambled out half a dozen prepubescent \"I know you are but what am I\" tweets. Then he went and made the absolute cringiest response video. He's incensed by being talked down to by Greta and is overcompensating. \nDid her tweet have any net positive effect on society? No. Did it ruffle Tate's feathers and make his blood boil? Yea. Would he have even cared if she called him a misogynistic prick? Absolutely not. He would have just told her to sit down and shut up, that misogyny is made up by inferior women blah blah blah...\nInstead, his insecurities are eating him alive.",
">\n\nWhy even respond and give him attention that he so desperately craves? And why body shame men in the process? \nIf she didn't have a better insult she could have just went on with her life instead of helping him grow. Using \"small dick energy\" as an insult means implicitly we agree that people with small penises are inferior and undesirable. That's basically what Tate is on about ( Toxic masculinity). And by laughing at her tweet we all reinforce that perception. Do you get that? \nSick of double standards and hypocrisy. At least people should have the courage to own up and acknowledge it then move on instead of doubling down and performing mental gymnastics to justify an obvious case of body shaming.\nI agree with you on one thing that the net effect on society because of this tweet exchange is negative and only serves the people who Greta and her followers hate.",
">\n\nI think you are missing what I am saying. I fully agree that it wasn't necessary nor was it the right thing for Greta to do. I also agree that it just gives him attention and was overall a useless venture other for the entertainment of Tate haters.\nOP asked why it is okay. I stated that it isn't okay but that I understand why Greta took that road rather than the suggested non-offensive approach. It is because he's immune to it. What he isn't immune to is his masculinity and ego being questioned. What is the point of the Wolf continuing to blow on the brick house? None. To get to the scared little piggies inside he needs a jackhammer. \nAnd it worked exactly how she planned it to. He was rattled and anyone who hates Tate is amused. \nNot saying it's the right thing to do, nor do I want anyone to feel ashamed of the size of their penis.",
">\n\nOk.. thanks for elaborating on that. I misunderstood your comment as a disagreement and engaged to try and change your mind but seems we share the same view.",
">\n\nYou do not know what Greta is \"fully aware\" of. She is referring to character and behaviour, why are you taking this personally? She isn't speaking to you, hasn't seen you, doesn't know you. I don't know why you are externalizing your issue like this and waving it around in public, is it our responsibility to fix this for you?\nShe was just making a tiny joke. Relax. smalldickenergy @ getalife .com is hilarious.",
">\n\nAside from everything else, it's men who started the 'big dick energy' idiocy so to then complain when someone uses their own stupidity against them...",
">\n\nYeah because men are a monolith and we all meet in a room and know each other smh.",
">\n\nThey’re saying it’s offensive to more than just Andrew Tate",
">\n\nYeah but again, ISN'T THE PURPOSE",
">\n\nWhat do you mean again? You didn’t say that before. And why does the purpose matter? You can do a bad thing without meaning to.",
">\n\nI meant to say isn't that the purpose lol mb",
">\n\nOh lol I probably should have realized that. But I think the point of the insult was to offend Andrew Tate.",
">\n\nFair. Trying to not say anything about him one way or another so I don't get downvoted to hell.",
">\n\nGreta lost that argument. She literally has like a hundred things Tate has said and done she could attack. Easy target... The one thing she chose to do is to body shame the man. It's just name calling. It's not a refutation of Tate. If anything it makes her sound stupid for her inability to come up with a refutation.",
">\n\nExactly. But people are just cheering her on and laughing along without grasping the nuance of the situation.",
">\n\nI think you are kinda missing the point. People know it offensive. The issue is that they don't care.",
">\n\nPeople used to make fun of small tits all the time. Remember the 90s? Remember the itty bitty titty committee? I don't know if that's a thing any more, but skinny women with no butts are definitely not seen as attractive. It's not fair. It's not their fault. People need to stop shaming themselves and eachother, and accept all bodies. Until then, \"small dick energy\" won't cease to be an insult. I guess the difference is people are sort of \"punching up\" since it's always been people with dicks who have the power in this world. I've never heard a dude say that another dude has \"small dick energy.\" It's always a woman saying that. Either way I think it's dumb but I get it. I've always thought \"Karen\" was a dumb insult too. Not someone's fault they were named Karen, LOL.",
">\n\nAndrew insulted her. He was asking for this insult. She was totally in the right. She wasn’t trying to shame anyone else. You’re asking for this insult too.",
">\n\nIsn't it more offensive for small pp folk, that there is a guy who base his entire existence on top of an argument that being an alpha, prime male is the most important thing in the world, and you need to be a testosterone bomb gorilla to have any kind of value. Isn't that argument disregards small dick guys in the first place?",
">\n\nAnd Greta just reinforced it with her reply. Do you see the problem now?\nEdit:replaced \"comment\" with \"reply\"",
">\n\nI believe I've already made a statement about what the problem is.",
">\n\nThen do you understand why Greta's reply is offensive and playing into Andrew Tate's hands?",
">\n\nLol this is twitter. There is no playing into each other's hands. Get outside.",
">\n\nOh look. Greta is human. Someone who spent a lot of her growing up time trying to educate people.\nIf she was in a bar and some doofus made a pass, she's just asserting herself. Age and context. Good on her.",
">\n\nIt is actually been studied. Men with small penises actually do have less energy- testosterone or something.",
">\n\nBeing offended by anything is each person's individual choice. If something is offensive to you, then simply choose to not be offended by it. It's truly that simple.",
">\n\nSo there is no such thing as hate speech?",
">\n\nNo, I didn't say that. Someone can certainly say something to someone that they hate with words that they feel will harm them mentally. That is \"hate speech\". The point I was trying to make is that we all as individuals have the choice to react to whatever someone says in whatever way we choose to react. If I feel offended by something that someone is saying, it is my choice to be offended by it.",
">\n\nI pretty much agree, but now we come to who decides. Does the person doing the talking decide whether it is hate speech? Or the person being talked at?",
">\n\nThere is no decision. The person who is talking thinks that what they are saying is not hateful, or they do. The person being talked at thinks that what the other person is saying is hateful, or they don't. The point is that it only matters if you make it matter to you. For example, if I say you are the dumbest person on earth, am I committing the crime of hate speech? Are you the dumbest person on earth? Probably not. But maybe I believe that you are. Does that make it true? If so, then it's not hate speech it's the truth...to me. If you, personally, believe that you are not the dumbest person on earth, then why would you concern yourself with what my dumbass has to say? To you, I'm the dumbest person on earth. I hope I'm getting my point across here.",
">\n\nSo we agree then? No laws regarding hate speech at all. You just ignore it and move on.",
">\n\nYes, sir.",
">\n\nYup",
">\n\nWhat if I say that I am offended that you are offended that you say \"small dick energy\" is offensive to men that are insecure about their size? Say I'm a man with a huge, massive dong. Say it's been a huge issue for me all my life. Let's say, hypothetically, that I am hugely insecure about the massive size of my dong and it's given me problems all my life. Every time I, hypothetically, go for a jog it's constantly flopping all over the place chaffing up my leg. Every time I have sex it's always this huge issue and only like half of the thing can go in before the receiver is like \"oh my god, stop, that's too much!\" Every time I receive oral sex, anything more than an inch beyond the tip causes a gag reflex. Does that sound exciting to you? Here you are bragging about your completely normal sized penis and all your normal sized penis sex and here this hypothetical person with a huge massive dong has all these issues. I can see how a hypothetical person with this debilitating issue would take offense that you take offense.",
">\n\nShe's an edgelord",
">\n\nreddit",
">\n\nSounds like a skill issue",
">\n\nDo you really get that offended? It's not like males themselves haven't sexualized females and their bodies and have said even worse and more common things about them? But we get offended over sum small? pun intended",
">\n\n“Some males have sexualized females therefore it’s fine for society to make fun of penis size.”",
">\n\nSociety? I don't see everyone (which represents society) doing it 😂 maybe you are focusing too much on negativity and that's all you see",
">\n\nSaying “small dick energy” is inherently a negative thing because it’s an insult. It also implies that there’s something bad about less endowed people because Tate is being compared to that demographic. \nWhen I say society, I mean that a decent percentage of people have “____ dick energy” built into their vocabulary to the point where the meaning of these terms is widely agreed on and it loses it’s direct connection to the penis. This doesn’t mean that the term is appropriate to use though since it originated from actual body shaming.",
">\n\nBattle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.",
">\n\nI think you should consider the situation at hand and less the use of insults as an absolute \nAndrew Tate absolutely deserves it",
">\n\nthe post its about the insult. \n\"Yeah I called this person a N... but lets focus on how bad that person is!!\"\nThe insult not only its very inflammatory (shows patriarcal estigmas,Its body shaming, reinforces toxic masculinity)\nIts also an extremely weak answer, its a groundless ad hominem. I would dare to argue the insult talks more about breta and his internalized toxic patriarcal estigmas than anything against tate.",
">\n\nGreta didn't start this. He was harassing her.",
">\n\n\"He started it\" -That's a toddler's excuse lmao",
">\n\nSo, in your opinion, Greta would have insulted him whether he had harassed her first, or not?",
">\n\nHer insulting him isn't the problem here. Its how she insulted him that's problematic.",
">\n\nWell, if he didn't want to be insulted, he could've done pretty much anything else with his time. I love the way you think people should be able to gatekeep how other people should hurt the feelings of people who are harassing them.",
">\n\nI'm not defending him or saying his feelings are hurt or that he doesn't deserve the insult. You're completely missing the point of this post and what we've been discussing. \n\"Body shaming is acceptable when it's directed at people we don't like\"- this is the hypocrisy that's being pointed out. It's not about who's better Tate or Greta but it's the bigger issue of shaming men's insecurities without any regard to their mental health. Do you get it now?",
">\n\nI think I do. It hadn't occurred to me that you might have a small penis. My apologies. Perhaps just as Greta Thurnberg travels the world as an advocate for awareness of Climate Change, you can break down the stereotype that people with small penises have energy. You should probably do as little as possible, though, since you don't want to be accused of having \"energy.\"",
">\n\nWasted my time replying after your \"he started it\" comment smh. Toddler mentality gugu gaga talk to me after you understand the issue.\nEdit: issue",
">\n\nI'm sorry about your peepee. But you have taught me not to trust stereotypes. And learning is fundamental.",
">\n\nI almost forgot. Please don't use the word toddler. It's offensive to small children.",
">\n\nFirst of all \"small dick energy\" shames the energy, not the small dick. It shames the fact to be insecure by your dick size (which is a metaphor for being insecure about your masculinity in general) and overcompensate by doing big manly stuff. It doesn't shame the fact to have a small dick.\nYou can argue that it is as bad, but it's important to understand that.",
">\n\nDon't be a cunt mate.",
">\n\nTechnically yes its body shaming but it's not that big a deal I think"
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couple things: small dicks is one of the things about men that men tend to care about to an obsessive degree, that women do to a way lesser degree but pretend to, because men typically like to have a very braggadocious and obnoxious attitude about everything. this tate guy is that to the nth degree. so i mean if anyone deserves being called "SDE" its this tate guy
second thing is that people who genuinely do have small dicks don't own that they have what they do; they lie about it. people who really do own that they have small dicks aren't made fun of for having them, because its not funny; the whole point is that you're lying about it and pretending like you're some big shot stud asshole, when you're not. if you own that you have a small dick, then ironically, you don't have "SDE"; you own what you have, you're not overcompensating and pretending to be something you're not.
so if greta thunburg was to call, say, howard stern "SDE", a dude who owns that he has a small dick and makes fun of himself for it, then it wouldn't be funny. and howard stern even IS a braggadocious asshole. andrew tate is just wayyyyy more of one, and he pretend like he's god's gift to women.
in general when it comes to "oh poor men won't anybody think of the men" i just cringe. i'm not the most liberal guy. but conservative guys just reappropriating the oppression olympics self-victimization shit and applying it to themselves is just pathetic.
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"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult.",
">\n\nIt's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh.",
">\n\nHonestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV",
">\n\nPeople can make mistakes and this was one of them.. so we can all just criticize her reply fairly and move on. No need for acute mental gymnastics to defend her as this comments section is showing lmao.",
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">\n\nI don't think anyone is arguing it's not offensive. I'm pretty sure she was trying to offend insecure men. Apparently with great success.",
">\n\nShe was trying to offend men who were insecure about their body image?\nHow is that not body shaming?",
">\n\nIt is, but we playing the avoidance and rationalization game",
">\n\nbecause women invented \"small dick energy\"\nharsh, sad. but we go jim🗿",
">\n\nOP never mentioned women tho. Post is strictly about why it's offensive. Do you disagree that it's not offensive or you think it's a trivial matter to make fun of that men's mental health doesn't matter as much?",
">\n\nThe female equivalent is\n\"Loose Pussy Energy\".\nThe typical man-hate hypocrisy commonly going around is beyond obvious. And it is an attack on All men and boys not just some.",
">\n\nNot a disagreement per se, but also worth noting that it’s transphobic. Which is to say, it insults all men by reinforcing patriarchy and punching down to two groups of men.",
">\n\nShe said small dick energy. Not that he had a small dick (though, come on). She used that phrase BECAUSE it's Tate. She's not a moron.\nHe is, as evidenced by his life to this point and his two responses to Thunberg, which were epically pathetic, is a moron and didn't seem to get it, though he doesn't get a lot.",
">\n\nThis is worse than saying he has a small dick, because how would she know, and that would just be dismissed as stupid.\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\nI can't understand the mental gymnastics some people are doing to try and say this isn't body shaming.",
">\n\n\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\n\nI mean yeah -- kind of like how pussy is an insult denoting cowardice, cunt is an insult meaning basically, terrible, etc., \nShe used that on purpose. Are you making CMV every time you see someone calling someone else a pussy?",
">\n\nPussy is kind of already known to be a shitty gendered insult so it doesn't need a CMV. In this case, Greta's gendered \"having a small penis is bad\" tweet is massively amplified, reached r/all on a shitload of subs, etc. so some discussion about whether or not that is cool is warranted",
">\n\nSmall dick energy isn’t about having a small dick tho. It’s a reflection of an attitude that men who are offensive, aggressive, nasty to people are overcompensating for their insecurities. A small dick doesn’t mean you won’t be able to find a partner or that you’re any less of a man. Being a downright trash bag of a human to others, like in this instance where an internet edgelord is cyber bullying a teenager on the internet who is fighting for the survival of our planet/humanity is an example of this trash behavior, is more of a determining factor. \nYou can also have a small dick but have big dick energy, as it’s reflective of who you are as a person. It’s an attitude. It’s who you choose to be to yourself and others. Hell, there’s women who use the term that they have big dick energy and I can tell you those women’s dicks are none existent so therefore size isn’t a thing. \nNo one should be made fun of for something they had no control over. The worth of a man is not tied to the size of his penis. Although, toxic masculinity and shallow people will tell you different. They say the same for disabled people, fat people etc. There’s plenty of people who are not “conventional standards of beauty” which is the majority of us, that lead happy, healthy relationships. Those relationships start with yourself and understanding your worth as a person isn’t tied to what you look like or how big your junk is. \nThe point is if you choose to be a trash person like Tate, where your self worth is tied into how cruel/offensive you can be to other people, don’t be mad if people call you out for that trashy attitude. Your post definitely reeks of “men are the true victims” when clearly you didn’t seem to have a problem with a grown man cyber bullying a teenager.",
">\n\nI like how you imply that OP is a fan of a literal human trafficker because they point out that a body-shaming insult is body-shaming. Do you understand why associating a trait of someone's body with negative personality traits is bad?",
">\n\nNo because people like this always have exceptions that allow them to use the things they complain about. Cognitive gymnastics allows them to recognise shaming women and people of colour is bad, because society will eat them otherwise, but when someone shows up who deserves a bit of a roasting all of their social etiquette rules go out the window and the excuses come out as to why in this context it doesn't count.\n\"Ahh no, here it is a reflection of an attitude\" blah blah 3 paragraphs later and we've clouded over the simple fact that body shaming is body shaming and harms people you weren't intending to insult.",
">\n\nPeople like this? You’re assuming things about me because I am a character in your mind not a real person. I am not a monolith. We should not be body shaming people. I am explaining the other side of this issue and why people use these terms. You never asked if I use these same terms in my life. You assumed I do. I don’t. You didn’t even bother to read my response because if you did you would have realized this.",
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">\n\nYou can have smol pp but big pp energy and vice versa",
">\n\nSo why is the phrase small dick energy if it has nothing to do with having a small dick?",
">\n\nIdk man, I just work here.",
">\n\nYou know why. Lol cause small dick is associated with bad. And by insulting dicks you use this knowledge to offend, at the cost of body shaming people. \nStop feigning dumb just to avoid the reasoning lol",
">\n\nI can see how it would be offensive, and I wouldn’t use it myself. I feel like the phrase refers more to how someone acts as opposed to how they are endowed. And how it’s behavior and actions that make people think down of you not your penis.",
">\n\nPoint is that we, as a society, should encourage better insults that attack the comments of the person without necessarily having to equate it to something someone with a small dick.",
">\n\nWould you agree with me, that if Andrew clapped back with one of those that the internet would be up in arms about it?",
">\n\nYou mean the way that you are, here, on the internet, up in arms?",
">\n\nIm one person on reddit, theres no major backlash like there would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\nSee, what's happening here is that you are also looking at people who are \"one person on Reddit\" and pretending it's a major backlash. Andrew Tate says fucked up things about women all the time (in fact, it's kind of his whole schtick) and it's as much of a non-event as this is.",
">\n\nPlease link me to something fucked up hes said about women, and ill agree with you, two wrongs don't make a right.",
">\n\nHere's exhibit A.",
">\n\nSure I agree with you he has said fucked up stuff about women, it doesn't mean its okay to make a joke about small dick energy.\nDo you understand my point?",
">\n\nWe understand, it's just that your point is fucking stupid",
">\n\nYou have no idea what his point is, it's funny that people on this thread OP and others actually like Andrew Tate.\nIt proves that everyone is completely frothingly tribalistic with zero nuance.",
">\n\nIf someone is behaving insufferably, people are going to laugh at them for things that they wouldn’t find funny if it happened to someone they liked.\nFor example, is it funny when people go bankrupt? No. Would it be funny if someone like Andrew Tate went bankrupt after boasting about Bugattis and all of his mass wealth? Yes. This doesn’t mean people who would make fun of him for that are making fun of poverty or all people who lose their livelihoods, it would just be funny if it happened to that particular person. \nIn the same way, the idea that Tate does all the douchey, over the top macho things that he does in order to compensate for having a small penis is funny, whilst it not being funny to make fun of every person who has a small penis.",
">\n\nSubstitute fat. Is that ok?",
">\n\nDepends on what the fat person is doing. If the person is minding their own business then no, if the fat person is attacking other people’s appearances then yeah go for it.",
">\n\nInteresting take. Might want to play with that a bit. A lot of situations where your reasoning falls apart.",
">\n\nPeople insulted Trump for being fat when he tried to say he was like the most fit person ever. People make fun of Elon Musk's body. You can make the same type of insult to two different people and it come off two different ways. \nWhen you make your identity or argument around something it opens up certain insults and comebacks. \nTate's whole thing is trying to act like this \"alpha male\" when in reality he's a sex trafficking weirdo who pays women to hang out with him. It's totally fine to insult him with a childish insult. \nI also find that people worried or mad about this don't actually care about body image issues. They just want a gotcha moment for people. Because many would have shitty takes about fat people or whine about pc culture.",
">\n\nWhen you call some MF that doesn't necessarily mean you are a MF... I'm not saying it's okay to say abusing words but we still do use them.\nI don't think she said it in literal terms, it was completely literary. Also she only said it cause it was Tate who she said it to. Also if a woman has small tits and someone said to someone else that they have small tits energy, I don't think one who actually has small tits would mind it, cause she is not involved and it's kinda perfect way of irritating Tate.. cause he really cares about these things. \nWhen it comes to increasing the insecurity of someone who actually has small D and is insecure about it... She couldn't think so far cause all she wanted was to irritate Tate and she was successful",
">\n\nI don't think it even irritated him if that was her goal but definitely helped him with popularity. It just proves what he says people think of insecure men, it just moves them to him and he gains more influence. It was an ignorant reply in poor taste. Someone with much following and influence as Greta shouldn't be as irresponsible and the followers shouldn't be having to do mental gymnastics to defend her instead of seeing it as it is: body shaming against men.",
">\n\nIs this some kind of weird meta-game? Are Andrew Tate fans pretending to actually be offended by this stupid insult to prove a point? Does anybody actually think her retort was any sharper than a brick wrapped in a wet blanket?\nWhat is going on here?!",
">\n\n\nWhat is going on here?!\n\nAndrew Tate fans have a lot of small dick energy. That's whats going on.",
">\n\nWhy are people not allowed dislike tate (he's an absolute idiot and a grifter) and also to criticize obvious body shaming from a supposed progressive? If Biden started talking about \"N*gger energy\" criticizing Kanye for antisemitism, would that be ok in your eyes? Would you say that a black guy who doesn't like that must be an angry Kanye fan? Or is it disgustingly offensive towards all African Americans to use that type of language no matter what?",
">\n\nBecause it suits their narrative to frame it as if people are just defending tate. It's easier than just actually defending body shaming. Done deal.",
">\n\nI think Greta used that phrase not because she actually believes or wants to promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior, but because people like Andrew Tate believe and promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior. If Andrew Tate gets hurt because Greta says he has small dick energy, then maybe -- just maybe, with the tiniest bit of introspection -- he'll come to realize how hateful some of his language is.\nBullies like Andrew Tate don't really respond to logic or pleas for sympathy. The only way to maybe make them understand the hurt they cause is to inflict it on them, because they don't care about anyone but themselves. \nSo instead of putting the cart before the horse and blaming Greta for using an offensive phrase as an argumentative tactic, maybe blame the people who use the phrase to actually demean people.",
">\n\nCan we substitute fat instead and be justified?",
">\n\nYes people did that with Trump when he claimed to be the fittest person ever basically. If someone has a habit of insulting people a certain way or making certain claims then they open themselves up to specific insults. \nSometimes we'd find those insults not tasteful if said to other people. But I feel like most people equating this to fat insults don't actually care about fat people. A lot of people would also be like oh things are getting too pc or soft or woke when it comes to body positivity towards fat people. So for me it's hard to buy this line of reasoning as being truly valid or caring.",
">\n\nNo one said it has to be authentic caring. This sub is for exploring the intellectual arguments. Your perception of how authentic someone’s feelings towards fat people is basically irrelevant. Argue the point or don’t. Passing your authenticity test is a wierd standard to try to argue for.",
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">\n\nYes, making insults is offensive. That's the point.\nInsults that reference a body part are also offensive to people who are insecure about that body part. That's also kinda obvious.\nWhat do you want your mind changed about here? I'm unclear about what you think can be discussed about an insult meant to be insulting. Are you arguing that this insult is especially wrong in some way?\nHow is this not just you soapboxing?",
">\n\nThere's a reason as a society we don't use insults like \"retard\". This is in the same vein. You're attributing a negative thing with a man having a small penis. This is harmful as it perpetuates the stigma surrounding penis size which is outside ones control. Essentially it degrades a group of people who have nothing to do with it. OP wants to know whether or not this is reconciled. Reading the comments... It has not been. \nMaking gendered insults doesn't bother me truthfully but I can understand the frustration OP is expressing because were it to be a man making some edgy reference to a woman's lady parts being inadequate as a way to demean them then everyone would be outraged as opposed to cheering it on.",
">\n\nUsing “small dick” as an insult, or “loose pussy” isn’t really offensive unless you are insecure about the physical viability of your reproductive organs. \nBut, that doesn’t make it funny. It’s a really juvenile and uncreative way of ridiculing someone.",
">\n\nInsecure women are offended when they're fat shamed.\nIt's still body shaming.\nIt's still wrong.",
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">\n\nGuy randomly decides to flex on her by saying I HAVE CARS AND I LIKE TO GO VROOOOM. It's like when Piers decides that it's absolutely important to eat meat in front of vegans. It's not about penis size. It's just that smalldickenergy is a perfect explanation of why would someone decide to behave like this.",
">\n\nShe is 19. Maybe in a few years she will have more mature insults. It’s a lot of pressure to be put on someone so young to also say the perfect thing all the time",
">\n\nUnder nearly all circumstances, I agree with you.\nHowever, for a lot of people who have built a cult of personality around any given ideal, insults of the inoffensive type are completely commonplace. All they have to do is fend off one or two instances of this PG rated attacks, strawman them, call them snowflakes, and their following is bolstered and enhanced. Instead of having any negative effect, it becomes part of their inherent power.\nSometimes if you want to rattle a cult leader you have to hit with precision their most critical weakness and watch them implode. The fact that Tate is squirming so hard and doing everything he can to reclaim some of his dignity after Greta's clapback means that she has his number. Great isn't saying that having a small dick is bad, but knowing that Tate's entire personality is built about being an alpha male and that calling into question the size of his member will hurt him the most is what she was after. \nOf course, it wasn't classy and could be offensive to some. But as the saying goes, sometimes you have to fight fire with fire.",
">\n\nReally is he squirming? \nHe's rich he's popular and now he's gotten someone he disagrees with to repeat his ideology and platform spreading it to a wider audience. \nI'd argue he's happy for the attention and popularity that she's given to him now and enjoying the increased sales in his business as more men who feel marginalized and left out join him seeing this hypocrisy playing out. Not to mention all the political players( internationally) who were against climate action seeing all this and aligning themselves appropriately, possibly propping him up and making him something more than what he actually is- An ignorant troll. \nEngage with a troll and you only give them more power. The tweet was dumb and people should know better.\nEdit: spacing",
">\n\nI'm not commenting on whether or not his fans will like him more or if the controversy will inadvertently grant him a wider audience. \nI'm commenting that Greta knew exactly where and how to hit him the hardest. Yes, he is definitely squirming. He has scrambled out half a dozen prepubescent \"I know you are but what am I\" tweets. Then he went and made the absolute cringiest response video. He's incensed by being talked down to by Greta and is overcompensating. \nDid her tweet have any net positive effect on society? No. Did it ruffle Tate's feathers and make his blood boil? Yea. Would he have even cared if she called him a misogynistic prick? Absolutely not. He would have just told her to sit down and shut up, that misogyny is made up by inferior women blah blah blah...\nInstead, his insecurities are eating him alive.",
">\n\nWhy even respond and give him attention that he so desperately craves? And why body shame men in the process? \nIf she didn't have a better insult she could have just went on with her life instead of helping him grow. Using \"small dick energy\" as an insult means implicitly we agree that people with small penises are inferior and undesirable. That's basically what Tate is on about ( Toxic masculinity). And by laughing at her tweet we all reinforce that perception. Do you get that? \nSick of double standards and hypocrisy. At least people should have the courage to own up and acknowledge it then move on instead of doubling down and performing mental gymnastics to justify an obvious case of body shaming.\nI agree with you on one thing that the net effect on society because of this tweet exchange is negative and only serves the people who Greta and her followers hate.",
">\n\nI think you are missing what I am saying. I fully agree that it wasn't necessary nor was it the right thing for Greta to do. I also agree that it just gives him attention and was overall a useless venture other for the entertainment of Tate haters.\nOP asked why it is okay. I stated that it isn't okay but that I understand why Greta took that road rather than the suggested non-offensive approach. It is because he's immune to it. What he isn't immune to is his masculinity and ego being questioned. What is the point of the Wolf continuing to blow on the brick house? None. To get to the scared little piggies inside he needs a jackhammer. \nAnd it worked exactly how she planned it to. He was rattled and anyone who hates Tate is amused. \nNot saying it's the right thing to do, nor do I want anyone to feel ashamed of the size of their penis.",
">\n\nOk.. thanks for elaborating on that. I misunderstood your comment as a disagreement and engaged to try and change your mind but seems we share the same view.",
">\n\nYou do not know what Greta is \"fully aware\" of. She is referring to character and behaviour, why are you taking this personally? She isn't speaking to you, hasn't seen you, doesn't know you. I don't know why you are externalizing your issue like this and waving it around in public, is it our responsibility to fix this for you?\nShe was just making a tiny joke. Relax. smalldickenergy @ getalife .com is hilarious.",
">\n\nAside from everything else, it's men who started the 'big dick energy' idiocy so to then complain when someone uses their own stupidity against them...",
">\n\nYeah because men are a monolith and we all meet in a room and know each other smh.",
">\n\nThey’re saying it’s offensive to more than just Andrew Tate",
">\n\nYeah but again, ISN'T THE PURPOSE",
">\n\nWhat do you mean again? You didn’t say that before. And why does the purpose matter? You can do a bad thing without meaning to.",
">\n\nI meant to say isn't that the purpose lol mb",
">\n\nOh lol I probably should have realized that. But I think the point of the insult was to offend Andrew Tate.",
">\n\nFair. Trying to not say anything about him one way or another so I don't get downvoted to hell.",
">\n\nGreta lost that argument. She literally has like a hundred things Tate has said and done she could attack. Easy target... The one thing she chose to do is to body shame the man. It's just name calling. It's not a refutation of Tate. If anything it makes her sound stupid for her inability to come up with a refutation.",
">\n\nExactly. But people are just cheering her on and laughing along without grasping the nuance of the situation.",
">\n\nI think you are kinda missing the point. People know it offensive. The issue is that they don't care.",
">\n\nPeople used to make fun of small tits all the time. Remember the 90s? Remember the itty bitty titty committee? I don't know if that's a thing any more, but skinny women with no butts are definitely not seen as attractive. It's not fair. It's not their fault. People need to stop shaming themselves and eachother, and accept all bodies. Until then, \"small dick energy\" won't cease to be an insult. I guess the difference is people are sort of \"punching up\" since it's always been people with dicks who have the power in this world. I've never heard a dude say that another dude has \"small dick energy.\" It's always a woman saying that. Either way I think it's dumb but I get it. I've always thought \"Karen\" was a dumb insult too. Not someone's fault they were named Karen, LOL.",
">\n\nAndrew insulted her. He was asking for this insult. She was totally in the right. She wasn’t trying to shame anyone else. You’re asking for this insult too.",
">\n\nIsn't it more offensive for small pp folk, that there is a guy who base his entire existence on top of an argument that being an alpha, prime male is the most important thing in the world, and you need to be a testosterone bomb gorilla to have any kind of value. Isn't that argument disregards small dick guys in the first place?",
">\n\nAnd Greta just reinforced it with her reply. Do you see the problem now?\nEdit:replaced \"comment\" with \"reply\"",
">\n\nI believe I've already made a statement about what the problem is.",
">\n\nThen do you understand why Greta's reply is offensive and playing into Andrew Tate's hands?",
">\n\nLol this is twitter. There is no playing into each other's hands. Get outside.",
">\n\nOh look. Greta is human. Someone who spent a lot of her growing up time trying to educate people.\nIf she was in a bar and some doofus made a pass, she's just asserting herself. Age and context. Good on her.",
">\n\nIt is actually been studied. Men with small penises actually do have less energy- testosterone or something.",
">\n\nBeing offended by anything is each person's individual choice. If something is offensive to you, then simply choose to not be offended by it. It's truly that simple.",
">\n\nSo there is no such thing as hate speech?",
">\n\nNo, I didn't say that. Someone can certainly say something to someone that they hate with words that they feel will harm them mentally. That is \"hate speech\". The point I was trying to make is that we all as individuals have the choice to react to whatever someone says in whatever way we choose to react. If I feel offended by something that someone is saying, it is my choice to be offended by it.",
">\n\nI pretty much agree, but now we come to who decides. Does the person doing the talking decide whether it is hate speech? Or the person being talked at?",
">\n\nThere is no decision. The person who is talking thinks that what they are saying is not hateful, or they do. The person being talked at thinks that what the other person is saying is hateful, or they don't. The point is that it only matters if you make it matter to you. For example, if I say you are the dumbest person on earth, am I committing the crime of hate speech? Are you the dumbest person on earth? Probably not. But maybe I believe that you are. Does that make it true? If so, then it's not hate speech it's the truth...to me. If you, personally, believe that you are not the dumbest person on earth, then why would you concern yourself with what my dumbass has to say? To you, I'm the dumbest person on earth. I hope I'm getting my point across here.",
">\n\nSo we agree then? No laws regarding hate speech at all. You just ignore it and move on.",
">\n\nYes, sir.",
">\n\nYup",
">\n\nWhat if I say that I am offended that you are offended that you say \"small dick energy\" is offensive to men that are insecure about their size? Say I'm a man with a huge, massive dong. Say it's been a huge issue for me all my life. Let's say, hypothetically, that I am hugely insecure about the massive size of my dong and it's given me problems all my life. Every time I, hypothetically, go for a jog it's constantly flopping all over the place chaffing up my leg. Every time I have sex it's always this huge issue and only like half of the thing can go in before the receiver is like \"oh my god, stop, that's too much!\" Every time I receive oral sex, anything more than an inch beyond the tip causes a gag reflex. Does that sound exciting to you? Here you are bragging about your completely normal sized penis and all your normal sized penis sex and here this hypothetical person with a huge massive dong has all these issues. I can see how a hypothetical person with this debilitating issue would take offense that you take offense.",
">\n\nShe's an edgelord",
">\n\nreddit",
">\n\nSounds like a skill issue",
">\n\nDo you really get that offended? It's not like males themselves haven't sexualized females and their bodies and have said even worse and more common things about them? But we get offended over sum small? pun intended",
">\n\n“Some males have sexualized females therefore it’s fine for society to make fun of penis size.”",
">\n\nSociety? I don't see everyone (which represents society) doing it 😂 maybe you are focusing too much on negativity and that's all you see",
">\n\nSaying “small dick energy” is inherently a negative thing because it’s an insult. It also implies that there’s something bad about less endowed people because Tate is being compared to that demographic. \nWhen I say society, I mean that a decent percentage of people have “____ dick energy” built into their vocabulary to the point where the meaning of these terms is widely agreed on and it loses it’s direct connection to the penis. This doesn’t mean that the term is appropriate to use though since it originated from actual body shaming.",
">\n\nBattle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.",
">\n\nI think you should consider the situation at hand and less the use of insults as an absolute \nAndrew Tate absolutely deserves it",
">\n\nthe post its about the insult. \n\"Yeah I called this person a N... but lets focus on how bad that person is!!\"\nThe insult not only its very inflammatory (shows patriarcal estigmas,Its body shaming, reinforces toxic masculinity)\nIts also an extremely weak answer, its a groundless ad hominem. I would dare to argue the insult talks more about breta and his internalized toxic patriarcal estigmas than anything against tate.",
">\n\nGreta didn't start this. He was harassing her.",
">\n\n\"He started it\" -That's a toddler's excuse lmao",
">\n\nSo, in your opinion, Greta would have insulted him whether he had harassed her first, or not?",
">\n\nHer insulting him isn't the problem here. Its how she insulted him that's problematic.",
">\n\nWell, if he didn't want to be insulted, he could've done pretty much anything else with his time. I love the way you think people should be able to gatekeep how other people should hurt the feelings of people who are harassing them.",
">\n\nI'm not defending him or saying his feelings are hurt or that he doesn't deserve the insult. You're completely missing the point of this post and what we've been discussing. \n\"Body shaming is acceptable when it's directed at people we don't like\"- this is the hypocrisy that's being pointed out. It's not about who's better Tate or Greta but it's the bigger issue of shaming men's insecurities without any regard to their mental health. Do you get it now?",
">\n\nI think I do. It hadn't occurred to me that you might have a small penis. My apologies. Perhaps just as Greta Thurnberg travels the world as an advocate for awareness of Climate Change, you can break down the stereotype that people with small penises have energy. You should probably do as little as possible, though, since you don't want to be accused of having \"energy.\"",
">\n\nWasted my time replying after your \"he started it\" comment smh. Toddler mentality gugu gaga talk to me after you understand the issue.\nEdit: issue",
">\n\nI'm sorry about your peepee. But you have taught me not to trust stereotypes. And learning is fundamental.",
">\n\nI almost forgot. Please don't use the word toddler. It's offensive to small children.",
">\n\nFirst of all \"small dick energy\" shames the energy, not the small dick. It shames the fact to be insecure by your dick size (which is a metaphor for being insecure about your masculinity in general) and overcompensate by doing big manly stuff. It doesn't shame the fact to have a small dick.\nYou can argue that it is as bad, but it's important to understand that.",
">\n\nDon't be a cunt mate.",
">\n\nTechnically yes its body shaming but it's not that big a deal I think",
">\n\nIt has more to do with how they're acting rather than actual anatomy size."
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Small dick guy here... I always felt like guys like Howard Stern were compensating for it by self-loathing comedy. That's a big thing comedians do in general, and so to me it's always hard to say a guy truly doesn't care about it just because he's joking about it. On the other hand, maybe I'm just projecting, because I'll poke fun at my tiny pecker and not really care if someone makes fun of me for it, but it also does truly bother me a little bit when I hear things like, "Oh that guy is an asshole, he must be mad because he has a tiny dick." Like... As if all us small guys are just furious that we aren't gonna win the dick-measuring contest that we let it affect our daily lives. It's a matter of extremes I think. I'm sure there's some guys with small ones that genuinely don't give a single fuck, and others who let it influence their entire lives, but I think most men with a small wang living in a society which implies that's a bad thing are going to end up somewhere in the middle of the scale.
The people I really feel bad for are the young people. Growing up with a small dick is a million times harder than being an adult with one. For the most part, nobody really cares if you're a grown man that's small, but when you're a teenager you feel like everybody cares. I had a really hard time wanting to pursue girls because of it, always worried about what their reaction would be, is they'd tell their girlfriends and it would get back to the other guys, etc. And that DOES happen... I remember being at the lunch table and someone saying, 'Did you hear Mike's dick is only x inches?" and I'd be sitting there like, an inch shorter than Mike and pretending that I found it as funny as everyone else around the table. It didn't really hit me until I was much older that I probably wasn't the only one at the table doing that. Plus I always thought it was weird like, at least that was evidence "Mike" was getting some, why should he care if it was small? It wasn't until I got over it and had a few flings and girlfriends that I realized it made such a little difference (pun intended) than what I had built it up to in my mind.
So I mean... Yeah, I think some guys do truly have small dick energy, but all that means is they're insecure and I think it kind of sucks that people don't think about the feelings of people who had no part of the fight who get their feelings hurt as collateral damage, and that somehow just because of the douche the insult was leveled at we go, "Haha you feel insecure about your body!"
One thing it makes me think about that I'm guilty of is calling guys closet-cases. Yeah, I am just trying to point out they're overcompensating about things because they are ashamed of their sexuality, but I don't really take a pause and think, "Wow, I bet that makes the people actually in the closet feel like shit." In some ways, I think it's even worse than just simple body shaming that as a society we're going around making fun of people for issues that could very well be deep seeded mental health issues, or could become so.
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"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult.",
">\n\nIt's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh.",
">\n\nHonestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV",
">\n\nPeople can make mistakes and this was one of them.. so we can all just criticize her reply fairly and move on. No need for acute mental gymnastics to defend her as this comments section is showing lmao.",
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">\n\nI don't think anyone is arguing it's not offensive. I'm pretty sure she was trying to offend insecure men. Apparently with great success.",
">\n\nShe was trying to offend men who were insecure about their body image?\nHow is that not body shaming?",
">\n\nIt is, but we playing the avoidance and rationalization game",
">\n\nbecause women invented \"small dick energy\"\nharsh, sad. but we go jim🗿",
">\n\nOP never mentioned women tho. Post is strictly about why it's offensive. Do you disagree that it's not offensive or you think it's a trivial matter to make fun of that men's mental health doesn't matter as much?",
">\n\nThe female equivalent is\n\"Loose Pussy Energy\".\nThe typical man-hate hypocrisy commonly going around is beyond obvious. And it is an attack on All men and boys not just some.",
">\n\nNot a disagreement per se, but also worth noting that it’s transphobic. Which is to say, it insults all men by reinforcing patriarchy and punching down to two groups of men.",
">\n\nShe said small dick energy. Not that he had a small dick (though, come on). She used that phrase BECAUSE it's Tate. She's not a moron.\nHe is, as evidenced by his life to this point and his two responses to Thunberg, which were epically pathetic, is a moron and didn't seem to get it, though he doesn't get a lot.",
">\n\nThis is worse than saying he has a small dick, because how would she know, and that would just be dismissed as stupid.\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\nI can't understand the mental gymnastics some people are doing to try and say this isn't body shaming.",
">\n\n\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\n\nI mean yeah -- kind of like how pussy is an insult denoting cowardice, cunt is an insult meaning basically, terrible, etc., \nShe used that on purpose. Are you making CMV every time you see someone calling someone else a pussy?",
">\n\nPussy is kind of already known to be a shitty gendered insult so it doesn't need a CMV. In this case, Greta's gendered \"having a small penis is bad\" tweet is massively amplified, reached r/all on a shitload of subs, etc. so some discussion about whether or not that is cool is warranted",
">\n\nSmall dick energy isn’t about having a small dick tho. It’s a reflection of an attitude that men who are offensive, aggressive, nasty to people are overcompensating for their insecurities. A small dick doesn’t mean you won’t be able to find a partner or that you’re any less of a man. Being a downright trash bag of a human to others, like in this instance where an internet edgelord is cyber bullying a teenager on the internet who is fighting for the survival of our planet/humanity is an example of this trash behavior, is more of a determining factor. \nYou can also have a small dick but have big dick energy, as it’s reflective of who you are as a person. It’s an attitude. It’s who you choose to be to yourself and others. Hell, there’s women who use the term that they have big dick energy and I can tell you those women’s dicks are none existent so therefore size isn’t a thing. \nNo one should be made fun of for something they had no control over. The worth of a man is not tied to the size of his penis. Although, toxic masculinity and shallow people will tell you different. They say the same for disabled people, fat people etc. There’s plenty of people who are not “conventional standards of beauty” which is the majority of us, that lead happy, healthy relationships. Those relationships start with yourself and understanding your worth as a person isn’t tied to what you look like or how big your junk is. \nThe point is if you choose to be a trash person like Tate, where your self worth is tied into how cruel/offensive you can be to other people, don’t be mad if people call you out for that trashy attitude. Your post definitely reeks of “men are the true victims” when clearly you didn’t seem to have a problem with a grown man cyber bullying a teenager.",
">\n\nI like how you imply that OP is a fan of a literal human trafficker because they point out that a body-shaming insult is body-shaming. Do you understand why associating a trait of someone's body with negative personality traits is bad?",
">\n\nNo because people like this always have exceptions that allow them to use the things they complain about. Cognitive gymnastics allows them to recognise shaming women and people of colour is bad, because society will eat them otherwise, but when someone shows up who deserves a bit of a roasting all of their social etiquette rules go out the window and the excuses come out as to why in this context it doesn't count.\n\"Ahh no, here it is a reflection of an attitude\" blah blah 3 paragraphs later and we've clouded over the simple fact that body shaming is body shaming and harms people you weren't intending to insult.",
">\n\nPeople like this? You’re assuming things about me because I am a character in your mind not a real person. I am not a monolith. We should not be body shaming people. I am explaining the other side of this issue and why people use these terms. You never asked if I use these same terms in my life. You assumed I do. I don’t. You didn’t even bother to read my response because if you did you would have realized this.",
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">\n\nYou can have smol pp but big pp energy and vice versa",
">\n\nSo why is the phrase small dick energy if it has nothing to do with having a small dick?",
">\n\nIdk man, I just work here.",
">\n\nYou know why. Lol cause small dick is associated with bad. And by insulting dicks you use this knowledge to offend, at the cost of body shaming people. \nStop feigning dumb just to avoid the reasoning lol",
">\n\nI can see how it would be offensive, and I wouldn’t use it myself. I feel like the phrase refers more to how someone acts as opposed to how they are endowed. And how it’s behavior and actions that make people think down of you not your penis.",
">\n\nPoint is that we, as a society, should encourage better insults that attack the comments of the person without necessarily having to equate it to something someone with a small dick.",
">\n\nWould you agree with me, that if Andrew clapped back with one of those that the internet would be up in arms about it?",
">\n\nYou mean the way that you are, here, on the internet, up in arms?",
">\n\nIm one person on reddit, theres no major backlash like there would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\nSee, what's happening here is that you are also looking at people who are \"one person on Reddit\" and pretending it's a major backlash. Andrew Tate says fucked up things about women all the time (in fact, it's kind of his whole schtick) and it's as much of a non-event as this is.",
">\n\nPlease link me to something fucked up hes said about women, and ill agree with you, two wrongs don't make a right.",
">\n\nHere's exhibit A.",
">\n\nSure I agree with you he has said fucked up stuff about women, it doesn't mean its okay to make a joke about small dick energy.\nDo you understand my point?",
">\n\nWe understand, it's just that your point is fucking stupid",
">\n\nYou have no idea what his point is, it's funny that people on this thread OP and others actually like Andrew Tate.\nIt proves that everyone is completely frothingly tribalistic with zero nuance.",
">\n\nIf someone is behaving insufferably, people are going to laugh at them for things that they wouldn’t find funny if it happened to someone they liked.\nFor example, is it funny when people go bankrupt? No. Would it be funny if someone like Andrew Tate went bankrupt after boasting about Bugattis and all of his mass wealth? Yes. This doesn’t mean people who would make fun of him for that are making fun of poverty or all people who lose their livelihoods, it would just be funny if it happened to that particular person. \nIn the same way, the idea that Tate does all the douchey, over the top macho things that he does in order to compensate for having a small penis is funny, whilst it not being funny to make fun of every person who has a small penis.",
">\n\nSubstitute fat. Is that ok?",
">\n\nDepends on what the fat person is doing. If the person is minding their own business then no, if the fat person is attacking other people’s appearances then yeah go for it.",
">\n\nInteresting take. Might want to play with that a bit. A lot of situations where your reasoning falls apart.",
">\n\nPeople insulted Trump for being fat when he tried to say he was like the most fit person ever. People make fun of Elon Musk's body. You can make the same type of insult to two different people and it come off two different ways. \nWhen you make your identity or argument around something it opens up certain insults and comebacks. \nTate's whole thing is trying to act like this \"alpha male\" when in reality he's a sex trafficking weirdo who pays women to hang out with him. It's totally fine to insult him with a childish insult. \nI also find that people worried or mad about this don't actually care about body image issues. They just want a gotcha moment for people. Because many would have shitty takes about fat people or whine about pc culture.",
">\n\nWhen you call some MF that doesn't necessarily mean you are a MF... I'm not saying it's okay to say abusing words but we still do use them.\nI don't think she said it in literal terms, it was completely literary. Also she only said it cause it was Tate who she said it to. Also if a woman has small tits and someone said to someone else that they have small tits energy, I don't think one who actually has small tits would mind it, cause she is not involved and it's kinda perfect way of irritating Tate.. cause he really cares about these things. \nWhen it comes to increasing the insecurity of someone who actually has small D and is insecure about it... She couldn't think so far cause all she wanted was to irritate Tate and she was successful",
">\n\nI don't think it even irritated him if that was her goal but definitely helped him with popularity. It just proves what he says people think of insecure men, it just moves them to him and he gains more influence. It was an ignorant reply in poor taste. Someone with much following and influence as Greta shouldn't be as irresponsible and the followers shouldn't be having to do mental gymnastics to defend her instead of seeing it as it is: body shaming against men.",
">\n\nIs this some kind of weird meta-game? Are Andrew Tate fans pretending to actually be offended by this stupid insult to prove a point? Does anybody actually think her retort was any sharper than a brick wrapped in a wet blanket?\nWhat is going on here?!",
">\n\n\nWhat is going on here?!\n\nAndrew Tate fans have a lot of small dick energy. That's whats going on.",
">\n\nWhy are people not allowed dislike tate (he's an absolute idiot and a grifter) and also to criticize obvious body shaming from a supposed progressive? If Biden started talking about \"N*gger energy\" criticizing Kanye for antisemitism, would that be ok in your eyes? Would you say that a black guy who doesn't like that must be an angry Kanye fan? Or is it disgustingly offensive towards all African Americans to use that type of language no matter what?",
">\n\nBecause it suits their narrative to frame it as if people are just defending tate. It's easier than just actually defending body shaming. Done deal.",
">\n\nI think Greta used that phrase not because she actually believes or wants to promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior, but because people like Andrew Tate believe and promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior. If Andrew Tate gets hurt because Greta says he has small dick energy, then maybe -- just maybe, with the tiniest bit of introspection -- he'll come to realize how hateful some of his language is.\nBullies like Andrew Tate don't really respond to logic or pleas for sympathy. The only way to maybe make them understand the hurt they cause is to inflict it on them, because they don't care about anyone but themselves. \nSo instead of putting the cart before the horse and blaming Greta for using an offensive phrase as an argumentative tactic, maybe blame the people who use the phrase to actually demean people.",
">\n\nCan we substitute fat instead and be justified?",
">\n\nYes people did that with Trump when he claimed to be the fittest person ever basically. If someone has a habit of insulting people a certain way or making certain claims then they open themselves up to specific insults. \nSometimes we'd find those insults not tasteful if said to other people. But I feel like most people equating this to fat insults don't actually care about fat people. A lot of people would also be like oh things are getting too pc or soft or woke when it comes to body positivity towards fat people. So for me it's hard to buy this line of reasoning as being truly valid or caring.",
">\n\nNo one said it has to be authentic caring. This sub is for exploring the intellectual arguments. Your perception of how authentic someone’s feelings towards fat people is basically irrelevant. Argue the point or don’t. Passing your authenticity test is a wierd standard to try to argue for.",
">\n\nSorry, u/AlternativeFukts – your comment has been removed for breaking Rule 5: \n\nComments must contribute meaningfully to the conversation. \n\nComments should be on-topic, serious, and contain enough content to move the discussion forward. Jokes, contradictions without explanation, links without context, off-topic comments, and \"written upvotes\" will be removed. Read the wiki for more information. \nIf you would like to appeal, review our appeals process here, then message the moderators by clicking this link within one week of this notice being posted.",
">\n\nYes, making insults is offensive. That's the point.\nInsults that reference a body part are also offensive to people who are insecure about that body part. That's also kinda obvious.\nWhat do you want your mind changed about here? I'm unclear about what you think can be discussed about an insult meant to be insulting. Are you arguing that this insult is especially wrong in some way?\nHow is this not just you soapboxing?",
">\n\nThere's a reason as a society we don't use insults like \"retard\". This is in the same vein. You're attributing a negative thing with a man having a small penis. This is harmful as it perpetuates the stigma surrounding penis size which is outside ones control. Essentially it degrades a group of people who have nothing to do with it. OP wants to know whether or not this is reconciled. Reading the comments... It has not been. \nMaking gendered insults doesn't bother me truthfully but I can understand the frustration OP is expressing because were it to be a man making some edgy reference to a woman's lady parts being inadequate as a way to demean them then everyone would be outraged as opposed to cheering it on.",
">\n\nUsing “small dick” as an insult, or “loose pussy” isn’t really offensive unless you are insecure about the physical viability of your reproductive organs. \nBut, that doesn’t make it funny. It’s a really juvenile and uncreative way of ridiculing someone.",
">\n\nInsecure women are offended when they're fat shamed.\nIt's still body shaming.\nIt's still wrong.",
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">\n\nGuy randomly decides to flex on her by saying I HAVE CARS AND I LIKE TO GO VROOOOM. It's like when Piers decides that it's absolutely important to eat meat in front of vegans. It's not about penis size. It's just that smalldickenergy is a perfect explanation of why would someone decide to behave like this.",
">\n\nShe is 19. Maybe in a few years she will have more mature insults. It’s a lot of pressure to be put on someone so young to also say the perfect thing all the time",
">\n\nUnder nearly all circumstances, I agree with you.\nHowever, for a lot of people who have built a cult of personality around any given ideal, insults of the inoffensive type are completely commonplace. All they have to do is fend off one or two instances of this PG rated attacks, strawman them, call them snowflakes, and their following is bolstered and enhanced. Instead of having any negative effect, it becomes part of their inherent power.\nSometimes if you want to rattle a cult leader you have to hit with precision their most critical weakness and watch them implode. The fact that Tate is squirming so hard and doing everything he can to reclaim some of his dignity after Greta's clapback means that she has his number. Great isn't saying that having a small dick is bad, but knowing that Tate's entire personality is built about being an alpha male and that calling into question the size of his member will hurt him the most is what she was after. \nOf course, it wasn't classy and could be offensive to some. But as the saying goes, sometimes you have to fight fire with fire.",
">\n\nReally is he squirming? \nHe's rich he's popular and now he's gotten someone he disagrees with to repeat his ideology and platform spreading it to a wider audience. \nI'd argue he's happy for the attention and popularity that she's given to him now and enjoying the increased sales in his business as more men who feel marginalized and left out join him seeing this hypocrisy playing out. Not to mention all the political players( internationally) who were against climate action seeing all this and aligning themselves appropriately, possibly propping him up and making him something more than what he actually is- An ignorant troll. \nEngage with a troll and you only give them more power. The tweet was dumb and people should know better.\nEdit: spacing",
">\n\nI'm not commenting on whether or not his fans will like him more or if the controversy will inadvertently grant him a wider audience. \nI'm commenting that Greta knew exactly where and how to hit him the hardest. Yes, he is definitely squirming. He has scrambled out half a dozen prepubescent \"I know you are but what am I\" tweets. Then he went and made the absolute cringiest response video. He's incensed by being talked down to by Greta and is overcompensating. \nDid her tweet have any net positive effect on society? No. Did it ruffle Tate's feathers and make his blood boil? Yea. Would he have even cared if she called him a misogynistic prick? Absolutely not. He would have just told her to sit down and shut up, that misogyny is made up by inferior women blah blah blah...\nInstead, his insecurities are eating him alive.",
">\n\nWhy even respond and give him attention that he so desperately craves? And why body shame men in the process? \nIf she didn't have a better insult she could have just went on with her life instead of helping him grow. Using \"small dick energy\" as an insult means implicitly we agree that people with small penises are inferior and undesirable. That's basically what Tate is on about ( Toxic masculinity). And by laughing at her tweet we all reinforce that perception. Do you get that? \nSick of double standards and hypocrisy. At least people should have the courage to own up and acknowledge it then move on instead of doubling down and performing mental gymnastics to justify an obvious case of body shaming.\nI agree with you on one thing that the net effect on society because of this tweet exchange is negative and only serves the people who Greta and her followers hate.",
">\n\nI think you are missing what I am saying. I fully agree that it wasn't necessary nor was it the right thing for Greta to do. I also agree that it just gives him attention and was overall a useless venture other for the entertainment of Tate haters.\nOP asked why it is okay. I stated that it isn't okay but that I understand why Greta took that road rather than the suggested non-offensive approach. It is because he's immune to it. What he isn't immune to is his masculinity and ego being questioned. What is the point of the Wolf continuing to blow on the brick house? None. To get to the scared little piggies inside he needs a jackhammer. \nAnd it worked exactly how she planned it to. He was rattled and anyone who hates Tate is amused. \nNot saying it's the right thing to do, nor do I want anyone to feel ashamed of the size of their penis.",
">\n\nOk.. thanks for elaborating on that. I misunderstood your comment as a disagreement and engaged to try and change your mind but seems we share the same view.",
">\n\nYou do not know what Greta is \"fully aware\" of. She is referring to character and behaviour, why are you taking this personally? She isn't speaking to you, hasn't seen you, doesn't know you. I don't know why you are externalizing your issue like this and waving it around in public, is it our responsibility to fix this for you?\nShe was just making a tiny joke. Relax. smalldickenergy @ getalife .com is hilarious.",
">\n\nAside from everything else, it's men who started the 'big dick energy' idiocy so to then complain when someone uses their own stupidity against them...",
">\n\nYeah because men are a monolith and we all meet in a room and know each other smh.",
">\n\nThey’re saying it’s offensive to more than just Andrew Tate",
">\n\nYeah but again, ISN'T THE PURPOSE",
">\n\nWhat do you mean again? You didn’t say that before. And why does the purpose matter? You can do a bad thing without meaning to.",
">\n\nI meant to say isn't that the purpose lol mb",
">\n\nOh lol I probably should have realized that. But I think the point of the insult was to offend Andrew Tate.",
">\n\nFair. Trying to not say anything about him one way or another so I don't get downvoted to hell.",
">\n\nGreta lost that argument. She literally has like a hundred things Tate has said and done she could attack. Easy target... The one thing she chose to do is to body shame the man. It's just name calling. It's not a refutation of Tate. If anything it makes her sound stupid for her inability to come up with a refutation.",
">\n\nExactly. But people are just cheering her on and laughing along without grasping the nuance of the situation.",
">\n\nI think you are kinda missing the point. People know it offensive. The issue is that they don't care.",
">\n\nPeople used to make fun of small tits all the time. Remember the 90s? Remember the itty bitty titty committee? I don't know if that's a thing any more, but skinny women with no butts are definitely not seen as attractive. It's not fair. It's not their fault. People need to stop shaming themselves and eachother, and accept all bodies. Until then, \"small dick energy\" won't cease to be an insult. I guess the difference is people are sort of \"punching up\" since it's always been people with dicks who have the power in this world. I've never heard a dude say that another dude has \"small dick energy.\" It's always a woman saying that. Either way I think it's dumb but I get it. I've always thought \"Karen\" was a dumb insult too. Not someone's fault they were named Karen, LOL.",
">\n\nAndrew insulted her. He was asking for this insult. She was totally in the right. She wasn’t trying to shame anyone else. You’re asking for this insult too.",
">\n\nIsn't it more offensive for small pp folk, that there is a guy who base his entire existence on top of an argument that being an alpha, prime male is the most important thing in the world, and you need to be a testosterone bomb gorilla to have any kind of value. Isn't that argument disregards small dick guys in the first place?",
">\n\nAnd Greta just reinforced it with her reply. Do you see the problem now?\nEdit:replaced \"comment\" with \"reply\"",
">\n\nI believe I've already made a statement about what the problem is.",
">\n\nThen do you understand why Greta's reply is offensive and playing into Andrew Tate's hands?",
">\n\nLol this is twitter. There is no playing into each other's hands. Get outside.",
">\n\nOh look. Greta is human. Someone who spent a lot of her growing up time trying to educate people.\nIf she was in a bar and some doofus made a pass, she's just asserting herself. Age and context. Good on her.",
">\n\nIt is actually been studied. Men with small penises actually do have less energy- testosterone or something.",
">\n\nBeing offended by anything is each person's individual choice. If something is offensive to you, then simply choose to not be offended by it. It's truly that simple.",
">\n\nSo there is no such thing as hate speech?",
">\n\nNo, I didn't say that. Someone can certainly say something to someone that they hate with words that they feel will harm them mentally. That is \"hate speech\". The point I was trying to make is that we all as individuals have the choice to react to whatever someone says in whatever way we choose to react. If I feel offended by something that someone is saying, it is my choice to be offended by it.",
">\n\nI pretty much agree, but now we come to who decides. Does the person doing the talking decide whether it is hate speech? Or the person being talked at?",
">\n\nThere is no decision. The person who is talking thinks that what they are saying is not hateful, or they do. The person being talked at thinks that what the other person is saying is hateful, or they don't. The point is that it only matters if you make it matter to you. For example, if I say you are the dumbest person on earth, am I committing the crime of hate speech? Are you the dumbest person on earth? Probably not. But maybe I believe that you are. Does that make it true? If so, then it's not hate speech it's the truth...to me. If you, personally, believe that you are not the dumbest person on earth, then why would you concern yourself with what my dumbass has to say? To you, I'm the dumbest person on earth. I hope I'm getting my point across here.",
">\n\nSo we agree then? No laws regarding hate speech at all. You just ignore it and move on.",
">\n\nYes, sir.",
">\n\nYup",
">\n\nWhat if I say that I am offended that you are offended that you say \"small dick energy\" is offensive to men that are insecure about their size? Say I'm a man with a huge, massive dong. Say it's been a huge issue for me all my life. Let's say, hypothetically, that I am hugely insecure about the massive size of my dong and it's given me problems all my life. Every time I, hypothetically, go for a jog it's constantly flopping all over the place chaffing up my leg. Every time I have sex it's always this huge issue and only like half of the thing can go in before the receiver is like \"oh my god, stop, that's too much!\" Every time I receive oral sex, anything more than an inch beyond the tip causes a gag reflex. Does that sound exciting to you? Here you are bragging about your completely normal sized penis and all your normal sized penis sex and here this hypothetical person with a huge massive dong has all these issues. I can see how a hypothetical person with this debilitating issue would take offense that you take offense.",
">\n\nShe's an edgelord",
">\n\nreddit",
">\n\nSounds like a skill issue",
">\n\nDo you really get that offended? It's not like males themselves haven't sexualized females and their bodies and have said even worse and more common things about them? But we get offended over sum small? pun intended",
">\n\n“Some males have sexualized females therefore it’s fine for society to make fun of penis size.”",
">\n\nSociety? I don't see everyone (which represents society) doing it 😂 maybe you are focusing too much on negativity and that's all you see",
">\n\nSaying “small dick energy” is inherently a negative thing because it’s an insult. It also implies that there’s something bad about less endowed people because Tate is being compared to that demographic. \nWhen I say society, I mean that a decent percentage of people have “____ dick energy” built into their vocabulary to the point where the meaning of these terms is widely agreed on and it loses it’s direct connection to the penis. This doesn’t mean that the term is appropriate to use though since it originated from actual body shaming.",
">\n\nBattle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.",
">\n\nI think you should consider the situation at hand and less the use of insults as an absolute \nAndrew Tate absolutely deserves it",
">\n\nthe post its about the insult. \n\"Yeah I called this person a N... but lets focus on how bad that person is!!\"\nThe insult not only its very inflammatory (shows patriarcal estigmas,Its body shaming, reinforces toxic masculinity)\nIts also an extremely weak answer, its a groundless ad hominem. I would dare to argue the insult talks more about breta and his internalized toxic patriarcal estigmas than anything against tate.",
">\n\nGreta didn't start this. He was harassing her.",
">\n\n\"He started it\" -That's a toddler's excuse lmao",
">\n\nSo, in your opinion, Greta would have insulted him whether he had harassed her first, or not?",
">\n\nHer insulting him isn't the problem here. Its how she insulted him that's problematic.",
">\n\nWell, if he didn't want to be insulted, he could've done pretty much anything else with his time. I love the way you think people should be able to gatekeep how other people should hurt the feelings of people who are harassing them.",
">\n\nI'm not defending him or saying his feelings are hurt or that he doesn't deserve the insult. You're completely missing the point of this post and what we've been discussing. \n\"Body shaming is acceptable when it's directed at people we don't like\"- this is the hypocrisy that's being pointed out. It's not about who's better Tate or Greta but it's the bigger issue of shaming men's insecurities without any regard to their mental health. Do you get it now?",
">\n\nI think I do. It hadn't occurred to me that you might have a small penis. My apologies. Perhaps just as Greta Thurnberg travels the world as an advocate for awareness of Climate Change, you can break down the stereotype that people with small penises have energy. You should probably do as little as possible, though, since you don't want to be accused of having \"energy.\"",
">\n\nWasted my time replying after your \"he started it\" comment smh. Toddler mentality gugu gaga talk to me after you understand the issue.\nEdit: issue",
">\n\nI'm sorry about your peepee. But you have taught me not to trust stereotypes. And learning is fundamental.",
">\n\nI almost forgot. Please don't use the word toddler. It's offensive to small children.",
">\n\nFirst of all \"small dick energy\" shames the energy, not the small dick. It shames the fact to be insecure by your dick size (which is a metaphor for being insecure about your masculinity in general) and overcompensate by doing big manly stuff. It doesn't shame the fact to have a small dick.\nYou can argue that it is as bad, but it's important to understand that.",
">\n\nDon't be a cunt mate.",
">\n\nTechnically yes its body shaming but it's not that big a deal I think",
">\n\nIt has more to do with how they're acting rather than actual anatomy size.",
">\n\ncouple things: small dicks is one of the things about men that men tend to care about to an obsessive degree, that women do to a way lesser degree but pretend to, because men typically like to have a very braggadocious and obnoxious attitude about everything. this tate guy is that to the nth degree. so i mean if anyone deserves being called \"SDE\" its this tate guy \nsecond thing is that people who genuinely do have small dicks don't own that they have what they do; they lie about it. people who really do own that they have small dicks aren't made fun of for having them, because its not funny; the whole point is that you're lying about it and pretending like you're some big shot stud asshole, when you're not. if you own that you have a small dick, then ironically, you don't have \"SDE\"; you own what you have, you're not overcompensating and pretending to be something you're not. \nso if greta thunburg was to call, say, howard stern \"SDE\", a dude who owns that he has a small dick and makes fun of himself for it, then it wouldn't be funny. and howard stern even IS a braggadocious asshole. andrew tate is just wayyyyy more of one, and he pretend like he's god's gift to women. \nin general when it comes to \"oh poor men won't anybody think of the men\" i just cringe. i'm not the most liberal guy. but conservative guys just reappropriating the oppression olympics self-victimization shit and applying it to themselves is just pathetic."
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idk i just think that the only people being accused of having small dicks are people who are so obnoxious that it feels like they're compensating, like this guy. so sure its "body shaming", but a) body shaming is just something that happens that idk if we can ever really do anything about, because human beings value different body parts differently, and b) its only really shaming people because of their behavior, not their bodies. its shaming their behavior, by implying something about their bodies that would be embarrassing particularly for a person who is displaying this behavior, like tate does, because somebody that obsessed with getting chicks would probably be extremely concerned if people thought he had a small dick.
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"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult.",
">\n\nIt's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh.",
">\n\nHonestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV",
">\n\nPeople can make mistakes and this was one of them.. so we can all just criticize her reply fairly and move on. No need for acute mental gymnastics to defend her as this comments section is showing lmao.",
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">\n\nI don't think anyone is arguing it's not offensive. I'm pretty sure she was trying to offend insecure men. Apparently with great success.",
">\n\nShe was trying to offend men who were insecure about their body image?\nHow is that not body shaming?",
">\n\nIt is, but we playing the avoidance and rationalization game",
">\n\nbecause women invented \"small dick energy\"\nharsh, sad. but we go jim🗿",
">\n\nOP never mentioned women tho. Post is strictly about why it's offensive. Do you disagree that it's not offensive or you think it's a trivial matter to make fun of that men's mental health doesn't matter as much?",
">\n\nThe female equivalent is\n\"Loose Pussy Energy\".\nThe typical man-hate hypocrisy commonly going around is beyond obvious. And it is an attack on All men and boys not just some.",
">\n\nNot a disagreement per se, but also worth noting that it’s transphobic. Which is to say, it insults all men by reinforcing patriarchy and punching down to two groups of men.",
">\n\nShe said small dick energy. Not that he had a small dick (though, come on). She used that phrase BECAUSE it's Tate. She's not a moron.\nHe is, as evidenced by his life to this point and his two responses to Thunberg, which were epically pathetic, is a moron and didn't seem to get it, though he doesn't get a lot.",
">\n\nThis is worse than saying he has a small dick, because how would she know, and that would just be dismissed as stupid.\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\nI can't understand the mental gymnastics some people are doing to try and say this isn't body shaming.",
">\n\n\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\n\nI mean yeah -- kind of like how pussy is an insult denoting cowardice, cunt is an insult meaning basically, terrible, etc., \nShe used that on purpose. Are you making CMV every time you see someone calling someone else a pussy?",
">\n\nPussy is kind of already known to be a shitty gendered insult so it doesn't need a CMV. In this case, Greta's gendered \"having a small penis is bad\" tweet is massively amplified, reached r/all on a shitload of subs, etc. so some discussion about whether or not that is cool is warranted",
">\n\nSmall dick energy isn’t about having a small dick tho. It’s a reflection of an attitude that men who are offensive, aggressive, nasty to people are overcompensating for their insecurities. A small dick doesn’t mean you won’t be able to find a partner or that you’re any less of a man. Being a downright trash bag of a human to others, like in this instance where an internet edgelord is cyber bullying a teenager on the internet who is fighting for the survival of our planet/humanity is an example of this trash behavior, is more of a determining factor. \nYou can also have a small dick but have big dick energy, as it’s reflective of who you are as a person. It’s an attitude. It’s who you choose to be to yourself and others. Hell, there’s women who use the term that they have big dick energy and I can tell you those women’s dicks are none existent so therefore size isn’t a thing. \nNo one should be made fun of for something they had no control over. The worth of a man is not tied to the size of his penis. Although, toxic masculinity and shallow people will tell you different. They say the same for disabled people, fat people etc. There’s plenty of people who are not “conventional standards of beauty” which is the majority of us, that lead happy, healthy relationships. Those relationships start with yourself and understanding your worth as a person isn’t tied to what you look like or how big your junk is. \nThe point is if you choose to be a trash person like Tate, where your self worth is tied into how cruel/offensive you can be to other people, don’t be mad if people call you out for that trashy attitude. Your post definitely reeks of “men are the true victims” when clearly you didn’t seem to have a problem with a grown man cyber bullying a teenager.",
">\n\nI like how you imply that OP is a fan of a literal human trafficker because they point out that a body-shaming insult is body-shaming. Do you understand why associating a trait of someone's body with negative personality traits is bad?",
">\n\nNo because people like this always have exceptions that allow them to use the things they complain about. Cognitive gymnastics allows them to recognise shaming women and people of colour is bad, because society will eat them otherwise, but when someone shows up who deserves a bit of a roasting all of their social etiquette rules go out the window and the excuses come out as to why in this context it doesn't count.\n\"Ahh no, here it is a reflection of an attitude\" blah blah 3 paragraphs later and we've clouded over the simple fact that body shaming is body shaming and harms people you weren't intending to insult.",
">\n\nPeople like this? You’re assuming things about me because I am a character in your mind not a real person. I am not a monolith. We should not be body shaming people. I am explaining the other side of this issue and why people use these terms. You never asked if I use these same terms in my life. You assumed I do. I don’t. You didn’t even bother to read my response because if you did you would have realized this.",
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">\n\nYou can have smol pp but big pp energy and vice versa",
">\n\nSo why is the phrase small dick energy if it has nothing to do with having a small dick?",
">\n\nIdk man, I just work here.",
">\n\nYou know why. Lol cause small dick is associated with bad. And by insulting dicks you use this knowledge to offend, at the cost of body shaming people. \nStop feigning dumb just to avoid the reasoning lol",
">\n\nI can see how it would be offensive, and I wouldn’t use it myself. I feel like the phrase refers more to how someone acts as opposed to how they are endowed. And how it’s behavior and actions that make people think down of you not your penis.",
">\n\nPoint is that we, as a society, should encourage better insults that attack the comments of the person without necessarily having to equate it to something someone with a small dick.",
">\n\nWould you agree with me, that if Andrew clapped back with one of those that the internet would be up in arms about it?",
">\n\nYou mean the way that you are, here, on the internet, up in arms?",
">\n\nIm one person on reddit, theres no major backlash like there would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\nSee, what's happening here is that you are also looking at people who are \"one person on Reddit\" and pretending it's a major backlash. Andrew Tate says fucked up things about women all the time (in fact, it's kind of his whole schtick) and it's as much of a non-event as this is.",
">\n\nPlease link me to something fucked up hes said about women, and ill agree with you, two wrongs don't make a right.",
">\n\nHere's exhibit A.",
">\n\nSure I agree with you he has said fucked up stuff about women, it doesn't mean its okay to make a joke about small dick energy.\nDo you understand my point?",
">\n\nWe understand, it's just that your point is fucking stupid",
">\n\nYou have no idea what his point is, it's funny that people on this thread OP and others actually like Andrew Tate.\nIt proves that everyone is completely frothingly tribalistic with zero nuance.",
">\n\nIf someone is behaving insufferably, people are going to laugh at them for things that they wouldn’t find funny if it happened to someone they liked.\nFor example, is it funny when people go bankrupt? No. Would it be funny if someone like Andrew Tate went bankrupt after boasting about Bugattis and all of his mass wealth? Yes. This doesn’t mean people who would make fun of him for that are making fun of poverty or all people who lose their livelihoods, it would just be funny if it happened to that particular person. \nIn the same way, the idea that Tate does all the douchey, over the top macho things that he does in order to compensate for having a small penis is funny, whilst it not being funny to make fun of every person who has a small penis.",
">\n\nSubstitute fat. Is that ok?",
">\n\nDepends on what the fat person is doing. If the person is minding their own business then no, if the fat person is attacking other people’s appearances then yeah go for it.",
">\n\nInteresting take. Might want to play with that a bit. A lot of situations where your reasoning falls apart.",
">\n\nPeople insulted Trump for being fat when he tried to say he was like the most fit person ever. People make fun of Elon Musk's body. You can make the same type of insult to two different people and it come off two different ways. \nWhen you make your identity or argument around something it opens up certain insults and comebacks. \nTate's whole thing is trying to act like this \"alpha male\" when in reality he's a sex trafficking weirdo who pays women to hang out with him. It's totally fine to insult him with a childish insult. \nI also find that people worried or mad about this don't actually care about body image issues. They just want a gotcha moment for people. Because many would have shitty takes about fat people or whine about pc culture.",
">\n\nWhen you call some MF that doesn't necessarily mean you are a MF... I'm not saying it's okay to say abusing words but we still do use them.\nI don't think she said it in literal terms, it was completely literary. Also she only said it cause it was Tate who she said it to. Also if a woman has small tits and someone said to someone else that they have small tits energy, I don't think one who actually has small tits would mind it, cause she is not involved and it's kinda perfect way of irritating Tate.. cause he really cares about these things. \nWhen it comes to increasing the insecurity of someone who actually has small D and is insecure about it... She couldn't think so far cause all she wanted was to irritate Tate and she was successful",
">\n\nI don't think it even irritated him if that was her goal but definitely helped him with popularity. It just proves what he says people think of insecure men, it just moves them to him and he gains more influence. It was an ignorant reply in poor taste. Someone with much following and influence as Greta shouldn't be as irresponsible and the followers shouldn't be having to do mental gymnastics to defend her instead of seeing it as it is: body shaming against men.",
">\n\nIs this some kind of weird meta-game? Are Andrew Tate fans pretending to actually be offended by this stupid insult to prove a point? Does anybody actually think her retort was any sharper than a brick wrapped in a wet blanket?\nWhat is going on here?!",
">\n\n\nWhat is going on here?!\n\nAndrew Tate fans have a lot of small dick energy. That's whats going on.",
">\n\nWhy are people not allowed dislike tate (he's an absolute idiot and a grifter) and also to criticize obvious body shaming from a supposed progressive? If Biden started talking about \"N*gger energy\" criticizing Kanye for antisemitism, would that be ok in your eyes? Would you say that a black guy who doesn't like that must be an angry Kanye fan? Or is it disgustingly offensive towards all African Americans to use that type of language no matter what?",
">\n\nBecause it suits their narrative to frame it as if people are just defending tate. It's easier than just actually defending body shaming. Done deal.",
">\n\nI think Greta used that phrase not because she actually believes or wants to promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior, but because people like Andrew Tate believe and promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior. If Andrew Tate gets hurt because Greta says he has small dick energy, then maybe -- just maybe, with the tiniest bit of introspection -- he'll come to realize how hateful some of his language is.\nBullies like Andrew Tate don't really respond to logic or pleas for sympathy. The only way to maybe make them understand the hurt they cause is to inflict it on them, because they don't care about anyone but themselves. \nSo instead of putting the cart before the horse and blaming Greta for using an offensive phrase as an argumentative tactic, maybe blame the people who use the phrase to actually demean people.",
">\n\nCan we substitute fat instead and be justified?",
">\n\nYes people did that with Trump when he claimed to be the fittest person ever basically. If someone has a habit of insulting people a certain way or making certain claims then they open themselves up to specific insults. \nSometimes we'd find those insults not tasteful if said to other people. But I feel like most people equating this to fat insults don't actually care about fat people. A lot of people would also be like oh things are getting too pc or soft or woke when it comes to body positivity towards fat people. So for me it's hard to buy this line of reasoning as being truly valid or caring.",
">\n\nNo one said it has to be authentic caring. This sub is for exploring the intellectual arguments. Your perception of how authentic someone’s feelings towards fat people is basically irrelevant. Argue the point or don’t. Passing your authenticity test is a wierd standard to try to argue for.",
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">\n\nYes, making insults is offensive. That's the point.\nInsults that reference a body part are also offensive to people who are insecure about that body part. That's also kinda obvious.\nWhat do you want your mind changed about here? I'm unclear about what you think can be discussed about an insult meant to be insulting. Are you arguing that this insult is especially wrong in some way?\nHow is this not just you soapboxing?",
">\n\nThere's a reason as a society we don't use insults like \"retard\". This is in the same vein. You're attributing a negative thing with a man having a small penis. This is harmful as it perpetuates the stigma surrounding penis size which is outside ones control. Essentially it degrades a group of people who have nothing to do with it. OP wants to know whether or not this is reconciled. Reading the comments... It has not been. \nMaking gendered insults doesn't bother me truthfully but I can understand the frustration OP is expressing because were it to be a man making some edgy reference to a woman's lady parts being inadequate as a way to demean them then everyone would be outraged as opposed to cheering it on.",
">\n\nUsing “small dick” as an insult, or “loose pussy” isn’t really offensive unless you are insecure about the physical viability of your reproductive organs. \nBut, that doesn’t make it funny. It’s a really juvenile and uncreative way of ridiculing someone.",
">\n\nInsecure women are offended when they're fat shamed.\nIt's still body shaming.\nIt's still wrong.",
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">\n\nGuy randomly decides to flex on her by saying I HAVE CARS AND I LIKE TO GO VROOOOM. It's like when Piers decides that it's absolutely important to eat meat in front of vegans. It's not about penis size. It's just that smalldickenergy is a perfect explanation of why would someone decide to behave like this.",
">\n\nShe is 19. Maybe in a few years she will have more mature insults. It’s a lot of pressure to be put on someone so young to also say the perfect thing all the time",
">\n\nUnder nearly all circumstances, I agree with you.\nHowever, for a lot of people who have built a cult of personality around any given ideal, insults of the inoffensive type are completely commonplace. All they have to do is fend off one or two instances of this PG rated attacks, strawman them, call them snowflakes, and their following is bolstered and enhanced. Instead of having any negative effect, it becomes part of their inherent power.\nSometimes if you want to rattle a cult leader you have to hit with precision their most critical weakness and watch them implode. The fact that Tate is squirming so hard and doing everything he can to reclaim some of his dignity after Greta's clapback means that she has his number. Great isn't saying that having a small dick is bad, but knowing that Tate's entire personality is built about being an alpha male and that calling into question the size of his member will hurt him the most is what she was after. \nOf course, it wasn't classy and could be offensive to some. But as the saying goes, sometimes you have to fight fire with fire.",
">\n\nReally is he squirming? \nHe's rich he's popular and now he's gotten someone he disagrees with to repeat his ideology and platform spreading it to a wider audience. \nI'd argue he's happy for the attention and popularity that she's given to him now and enjoying the increased sales in his business as more men who feel marginalized and left out join him seeing this hypocrisy playing out. Not to mention all the political players( internationally) who were against climate action seeing all this and aligning themselves appropriately, possibly propping him up and making him something more than what he actually is- An ignorant troll. \nEngage with a troll and you only give them more power. The tweet was dumb and people should know better.\nEdit: spacing",
">\n\nI'm not commenting on whether or not his fans will like him more or if the controversy will inadvertently grant him a wider audience. \nI'm commenting that Greta knew exactly where and how to hit him the hardest. Yes, he is definitely squirming. He has scrambled out half a dozen prepubescent \"I know you are but what am I\" tweets. Then he went and made the absolute cringiest response video. He's incensed by being talked down to by Greta and is overcompensating. \nDid her tweet have any net positive effect on society? No. Did it ruffle Tate's feathers and make his blood boil? Yea. Would he have even cared if she called him a misogynistic prick? Absolutely not. He would have just told her to sit down and shut up, that misogyny is made up by inferior women blah blah blah...\nInstead, his insecurities are eating him alive.",
">\n\nWhy even respond and give him attention that he so desperately craves? And why body shame men in the process? \nIf she didn't have a better insult she could have just went on with her life instead of helping him grow. Using \"small dick energy\" as an insult means implicitly we agree that people with small penises are inferior and undesirable. That's basically what Tate is on about ( Toxic masculinity). And by laughing at her tweet we all reinforce that perception. Do you get that? \nSick of double standards and hypocrisy. At least people should have the courage to own up and acknowledge it then move on instead of doubling down and performing mental gymnastics to justify an obvious case of body shaming.\nI agree with you on one thing that the net effect on society because of this tweet exchange is negative and only serves the people who Greta and her followers hate.",
">\n\nI think you are missing what I am saying. I fully agree that it wasn't necessary nor was it the right thing for Greta to do. I also agree that it just gives him attention and was overall a useless venture other for the entertainment of Tate haters.\nOP asked why it is okay. I stated that it isn't okay but that I understand why Greta took that road rather than the suggested non-offensive approach. It is because he's immune to it. What he isn't immune to is his masculinity and ego being questioned. What is the point of the Wolf continuing to blow on the brick house? None. To get to the scared little piggies inside he needs a jackhammer. \nAnd it worked exactly how she planned it to. He was rattled and anyone who hates Tate is amused. \nNot saying it's the right thing to do, nor do I want anyone to feel ashamed of the size of their penis.",
">\n\nOk.. thanks for elaborating on that. I misunderstood your comment as a disagreement and engaged to try and change your mind but seems we share the same view.",
">\n\nYou do not know what Greta is \"fully aware\" of. She is referring to character and behaviour, why are you taking this personally? She isn't speaking to you, hasn't seen you, doesn't know you. I don't know why you are externalizing your issue like this and waving it around in public, is it our responsibility to fix this for you?\nShe was just making a tiny joke. Relax. smalldickenergy @ getalife .com is hilarious.",
">\n\nAside from everything else, it's men who started the 'big dick energy' idiocy so to then complain when someone uses their own stupidity against them...",
">\n\nYeah because men are a monolith and we all meet in a room and know each other smh.",
">\n\nThey’re saying it’s offensive to more than just Andrew Tate",
">\n\nYeah but again, ISN'T THE PURPOSE",
">\n\nWhat do you mean again? You didn’t say that before. And why does the purpose matter? You can do a bad thing without meaning to.",
">\n\nI meant to say isn't that the purpose lol mb",
">\n\nOh lol I probably should have realized that. But I think the point of the insult was to offend Andrew Tate.",
">\n\nFair. Trying to not say anything about him one way or another so I don't get downvoted to hell.",
">\n\nGreta lost that argument. She literally has like a hundred things Tate has said and done she could attack. Easy target... The one thing she chose to do is to body shame the man. It's just name calling. It's not a refutation of Tate. If anything it makes her sound stupid for her inability to come up with a refutation.",
">\n\nExactly. But people are just cheering her on and laughing along without grasping the nuance of the situation.",
">\n\nI think you are kinda missing the point. People know it offensive. The issue is that they don't care.",
">\n\nPeople used to make fun of small tits all the time. Remember the 90s? Remember the itty bitty titty committee? I don't know if that's a thing any more, but skinny women with no butts are definitely not seen as attractive. It's not fair. It's not their fault. People need to stop shaming themselves and eachother, and accept all bodies. Until then, \"small dick energy\" won't cease to be an insult. I guess the difference is people are sort of \"punching up\" since it's always been people with dicks who have the power in this world. I've never heard a dude say that another dude has \"small dick energy.\" It's always a woman saying that. Either way I think it's dumb but I get it. I've always thought \"Karen\" was a dumb insult too. Not someone's fault they were named Karen, LOL.",
">\n\nAndrew insulted her. He was asking for this insult. She was totally in the right. She wasn’t trying to shame anyone else. You’re asking for this insult too.",
">\n\nIsn't it more offensive for small pp folk, that there is a guy who base his entire existence on top of an argument that being an alpha, prime male is the most important thing in the world, and you need to be a testosterone bomb gorilla to have any kind of value. Isn't that argument disregards small dick guys in the first place?",
">\n\nAnd Greta just reinforced it with her reply. Do you see the problem now?\nEdit:replaced \"comment\" with \"reply\"",
">\n\nI believe I've already made a statement about what the problem is.",
">\n\nThen do you understand why Greta's reply is offensive and playing into Andrew Tate's hands?",
">\n\nLol this is twitter. There is no playing into each other's hands. Get outside.",
">\n\nOh look. Greta is human. Someone who spent a lot of her growing up time trying to educate people.\nIf she was in a bar and some doofus made a pass, she's just asserting herself. Age and context. Good on her.",
">\n\nIt is actually been studied. Men with small penises actually do have less energy- testosterone or something.",
">\n\nBeing offended by anything is each person's individual choice. If something is offensive to you, then simply choose to not be offended by it. It's truly that simple.",
">\n\nSo there is no such thing as hate speech?",
">\n\nNo, I didn't say that. Someone can certainly say something to someone that they hate with words that they feel will harm them mentally. That is \"hate speech\". The point I was trying to make is that we all as individuals have the choice to react to whatever someone says in whatever way we choose to react. If I feel offended by something that someone is saying, it is my choice to be offended by it.",
">\n\nI pretty much agree, but now we come to who decides. Does the person doing the talking decide whether it is hate speech? Or the person being talked at?",
">\n\nThere is no decision. The person who is talking thinks that what they are saying is not hateful, or they do. The person being talked at thinks that what the other person is saying is hateful, or they don't. The point is that it only matters if you make it matter to you. For example, if I say you are the dumbest person on earth, am I committing the crime of hate speech? Are you the dumbest person on earth? Probably not. But maybe I believe that you are. Does that make it true? If so, then it's not hate speech it's the truth...to me. If you, personally, believe that you are not the dumbest person on earth, then why would you concern yourself with what my dumbass has to say? To you, I'm the dumbest person on earth. I hope I'm getting my point across here.",
">\n\nSo we agree then? No laws regarding hate speech at all. You just ignore it and move on.",
">\n\nYes, sir.",
">\n\nYup",
">\n\nWhat if I say that I am offended that you are offended that you say \"small dick energy\" is offensive to men that are insecure about their size? Say I'm a man with a huge, massive dong. Say it's been a huge issue for me all my life. Let's say, hypothetically, that I am hugely insecure about the massive size of my dong and it's given me problems all my life. Every time I, hypothetically, go for a jog it's constantly flopping all over the place chaffing up my leg. Every time I have sex it's always this huge issue and only like half of the thing can go in before the receiver is like \"oh my god, stop, that's too much!\" Every time I receive oral sex, anything more than an inch beyond the tip causes a gag reflex. Does that sound exciting to you? Here you are bragging about your completely normal sized penis and all your normal sized penis sex and here this hypothetical person with a huge massive dong has all these issues. I can see how a hypothetical person with this debilitating issue would take offense that you take offense.",
">\n\nShe's an edgelord",
">\n\nreddit",
">\n\nSounds like a skill issue",
">\n\nDo you really get that offended? It's not like males themselves haven't sexualized females and their bodies and have said even worse and more common things about them? But we get offended over sum small? pun intended",
">\n\n“Some males have sexualized females therefore it’s fine for society to make fun of penis size.”",
">\n\nSociety? I don't see everyone (which represents society) doing it 😂 maybe you are focusing too much on negativity and that's all you see",
">\n\nSaying “small dick energy” is inherently a negative thing because it’s an insult. It also implies that there’s something bad about less endowed people because Tate is being compared to that demographic. \nWhen I say society, I mean that a decent percentage of people have “____ dick energy” built into their vocabulary to the point where the meaning of these terms is widely agreed on and it loses it’s direct connection to the penis. This doesn’t mean that the term is appropriate to use though since it originated from actual body shaming.",
">\n\nBattle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.",
">\n\nI think you should consider the situation at hand and less the use of insults as an absolute \nAndrew Tate absolutely deserves it",
">\n\nthe post its about the insult. \n\"Yeah I called this person a N... but lets focus on how bad that person is!!\"\nThe insult not only its very inflammatory (shows patriarcal estigmas,Its body shaming, reinforces toxic masculinity)\nIts also an extremely weak answer, its a groundless ad hominem. I would dare to argue the insult talks more about breta and his internalized toxic patriarcal estigmas than anything against tate.",
">\n\nGreta didn't start this. He was harassing her.",
">\n\n\"He started it\" -That's a toddler's excuse lmao",
">\n\nSo, in your opinion, Greta would have insulted him whether he had harassed her first, or not?",
">\n\nHer insulting him isn't the problem here. Its how she insulted him that's problematic.",
">\n\nWell, if he didn't want to be insulted, he could've done pretty much anything else with his time. I love the way you think people should be able to gatekeep how other people should hurt the feelings of people who are harassing them.",
">\n\nI'm not defending him or saying his feelings are hurt or that he doesn't deserve the insult. You're completely missing the point of this post and what we've been discussing. \n\"Body shaming is acceptable when it's directed at people we don't like\"- this is the hypocrisy that's being pointed out. It's not about who's better Tate or Greta but it's the bigger issue of shaming men's insecurities without any regard to their mental health. Do you get it now?",
">\n\nI think I do. It hadn't occurred to me that you might have a small penis. My apologies. Perhaps just as Greta Thurnberg travels the world as an advocate for awareness of Climate Change, you can break down the stereotype that people with small penises have energy. You should probably do as little as possible, though, since you don't want to be accused of having \"energy.\"",
">\n\nWasted my time replying after your \"he started it\" comment smh. Toddler mentality gugu gaga talk to me after you understand the issue.\nEdit: issue",
">\n\nI'm sorry about your peepee. But you have taught me not to trust stereotypes. And learning is fundamental.",
">\n\nI almost forgot. Please don't use the word toddler. It's offensive to small children.",
">\n\nFirst of all \"small dick energy\" shames the energy, not the small dick. It shames the fact to be insecure by your dick size (which is a metaphor for being insecure about your masculinity in general) and overcompensate by doing big manly stuff. It doesn't shame the fact to have a small dick.\nYou can argue that it is as bad, but it's important to understand that.",
">\n\nDon't be a cunt mate.",
">\n\nTechnically yes its body shaming but it's not that big a deal I think",
">\n\nIt has more to do with how they're acting rather than actual anatomy size.",
">\n\ncouple things: small dicks is one of the things about men that men tend to care about to an obsessive degree, that women do to a way lesser degree but pretend to, because men typically like to have a very braggadocious and obnoxious attitude about everything. this tate guy is that to the nth degree. so i mean if anyone deserves being called \"SDE\" its this tate guy \nsecond thing is that people who genuinely do have small dicks don't own that they have what they do; they lie about it. people who really do own that they have small dicks aren't made fun of for having them, because its not funny; the whole point is that you're lying about it and pretending like you're some big shot stud asshole, when you're not. if you own that you have a small dick, then ironically, you don't have \"SDE\"; you own what you have, you're not overcompensating and pretending to be something you're not. \nso if greta thunburg was to call, say, howard stern \"SDE\", a dude who owns that he has a small dick and makes fun of himself for it, then it wouldn't be funny. and howard stern even IS a braggadocious asshole. andrew tate is just wayyyyy more of one, and he pretend like he's god's gift to women. \nin general when it comes to \"oh poor men won't anybody think of the men\" i just cringe. i'm not the most liberal guy. but conservative guys just reappropriating the oppression olympics self-victimization shit and applying it to themselves is just pathetic.",
">\n\nSmall dick guy here... I always felt like guys like Howard Stern were compensating for it by self-loathing comedy. That's a big thing comedians do in general, and so to me it's always hard to say a guy truly doesn't care about it just because he's joking about it. On the other hand, maybe I'm just projecting, because I'll poke fun at my tiny pecker and not really care if someone makes fun of me for it, but it also does truly bother me a little bit when I hear things like, \"Oh that guy is an asshole, he must be mad because he has a tiny dick.\" Like... As if all us small guys are just furious that we aren't gonna win the dick-measuring contest that we let it affect our daily lives. It's a matter of extremes I think. I'm sure there's some guys with small ones that genuinely don't give a single fuck, and others who let it influence their entire lives, but I think most men with a small wang living in a society which implies that's a bad thing are going to end up somewhere in the middle of the scale.\nThe people I really feel bad for are the young people. Growing up with a small dick is a million times harder than being an adult with one. For the most part, nobody really cares if you're a grown man that's small, but when you're a teenager you feel like everybody cares. I had a really hard time wanting to pursue girls because of it, always worried about what their reaction would be, is they'd tell their girlfriends and it would get back to the other guys, etc. And that DOES happen... I remember being at the lunch table and someone saying, 'Did you hear Mike's dick is only x inches?\" and I'd be sitting there like, an inch shorter than Mike and pretending that I found it as funny as everyone else around the table. It didn't really hit me until I was much older that I probably wasn't the only one at the table doing that. Plus I always thought it was weird like, at least that was evidence \"Mike\" was getting some, why should he care if it was small? It wasn't until I got over it and had a few flings and girlfriends that I realized it made such a little difference (pun intended) than what I had built it up to in my mind.\nSo I mean... Yeah, I think some guys do truly have small dick energy, but all that means is they're insecure and I think it kind of sucks that people don't think about the feelings of people who had no part of the fight who get their feelings hurt as collateral damage, and that somehow just because of the douche the insult was leveled at we go, \"Haha you feel insecure about your body!\"\nOne thing it makes me think about that I'm guilty of is calling guys closet-cases. Yeah, I am just trying to point out they're overcompensating about things because they are ashamed of their sexuality, but I don't really take a pause and think, \"Wow, I bet that makes the people actually in the closet feel like shit.\" In some ways, I think it's even worse than just simple body shaming that as a society we're going around making fun of people for issues that could very well be deep seeded mental health issues, or could become so."
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Yeah that's the thing though, for me it really bothers me more that people think I'm going around being an asshole, driving a huge truck or otherwise trying to compensate just because my dick is small. I can also see the idea that it implies that having a small dick is bad. I mean just the idea that you can 'accuse' anyone of it implies there's something wrong with it.
I mean, to me that's easier to hand-wave the idea that there's something wrong with it since I've had enough lived experience to know it doesn't matter. However, I feel like there's probably a lot of people out there who haven't who are still really hung up on it, particularly young people. I know I already brought up homosexuality, but it reminds me of when people use to say you shouldn't call things gay because it puts a negative connotation on homosexuality. Speaking of that, there's that phrase, "It gets better," that is used to comfort/console LGTBQ youths and I think it should be applied to body-image issues too--whether that be penis size, breast size, weight, whatever. Looking back on my life, it was definitely the insecurities that negatively effected me far more than my actual size ever did.
But yeah I also feel like there's kind of a lot of people just trying to paint this as her being caught being a hypocrite or something, and I agree with you that I especially hate it when men frame it as some kind of, "Oh look, see, we're oppressed too. So much for feminism!" kind of argument.
I guess I just see both sides of it.
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"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult.",
">\n\nIt's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh.",
">\n\nHonestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV",
">\n\nPeople can make mistakes and this was one of them.. so we can all just criticize her reply fairly and move on. No need for acute mental gymnastics to defend her as this comments section is showing lmao.",
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">\n\nI don't think anyone is arguing it's not offensive. I'm pretty sure she was trying to offend insecure men. Apparently with great success.",
">\n\nShe was trying to offend men who were insecure about their body image?\nHow is that not body shaming?",
">\n\nIt is, but we playing the avoidance and rationalization game",
">\n\nbecause women invented \"small dick energy\"\nharsh, sad. but we go jim🗿",
">\n\nOP never mentioned women tho. Post is strictly about why it's offensive. Do you disagree that it's not offensive or you think it's a trivial matter to make fun of that men's mental health doesn't matter as much?",
">\n\nThe female equivalent is\n\"Loose Pussy Energy\".\nThe typical man-hate hypocrisy commonly going around is beyond obvious. And it is an attack on All men and boys not just some.",
">\n\nNot a disagreement per se, but also worth noting that it’s transphobic. Which is to say, it insults all men by reinforcing patriarchy and punching down to two groups of men.",
">\n\nShe said small dick energy. Not that he had a small dick (though, come on). She used that phrase BECAUSE it's Tate. She's not a moron.\nHe is, as evidenced by his life to this point and his two responses to Thunberg, which were epically pathetic, is a moron and didn't seem to get it, though he doesn't get a lot.",
">\n\nThis is worse than saying he has a small dick, because how would she know, and that would just be dismissed as stupid.\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\nI can't understand the mental gymnastics some people are doing to try and say this isn't body shaming.",
">\n\n\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\n\nI mean yeah -- kind of like how pussy is an insult denoting cowardice, cunt is an insult meaning basically, terrible, etc., \nShe used that on purpose. Are you making CMV every time you see someone calling someone else a pussy?",
">\n\nPussy is kind of already known to be a shitty gendered insult so it doesn't need a CMV. In this case, Greta's gendered \"having a small penis is bad\" tweet is massively amplified, reached r/all on a shitload of subs, etc. so some discussion about whether or not that is cool is warranted",
">\n\nSmall dick energy isn’t about having a small dick tho. It’s a reflection of an attitude that men who are offensive, aggressive, nasty to people are overcompensating for their insecurities. A small dick doesn’t mean you won’t be able to find a partner or that you’re any less of a man. Being a downright trash bag of a human to others, like in this instance where an internet edgelord is cyber bullying a teenager on the internet who is fighting for the survival of our planet/humanity is an example of this trash behavior, is more of a determining factor. \nYou can also have a small dick but have big dick energy, as it’s reflective of who you are as a person. It’s an attitude. It’s who you choose to be to yourself and others. Hell, there’s women who use the term that they have big dick energy and I can tell you those women’s dicks are none existent so therefore size isn’t a thing. \nNo one should be made fun of for something they had no control over. The worth of a man is not tied to the size of his penis. Although, toxic masculinity and shallow people will tell you different. They say the same for disabled people, fat people etc. There’s plenty of people who are not “conventional standards of beauty” which is the majority of us, that lead happy, healthy relationships. Those relationships start with yourself and understanding your worth as a person isn’t tied to what you look like or how big your junk is. \nThe point is if you choose to be a trash person like Tate, where your self worth is tied into how cruel/offensive you can be to other people, don’t be mad if people call you out for that trashy attitude. Your post definitely reeks of “men are the true victims” when clearly you didn’t seem to have a problem with a grown man cyber bullying a teenager.",
">\n\nI like how you imply that OP is a fan of a literal human trafficker because they point out that a body-shaming insult is body-shaming. Do you understand why associating a trait of someone's body with negative personality traits is bad?",
">\n\nNo because people like this always have exceptions that allow them to use the things they complain about. Cognitive gymnastics allows them to recognise shaming women and people of colour is bad, because society will eat them otherwise, but when someone shows up who deserves a bit of a roasting all of their social etiquette rules go out the window and the excuses come out as to why in this context it doesn't count.\n\"Ahh no, here it is a reflection of an attitude\" blah blah 3 paragraphs later and we've clouded over the simple fact that body shaming is body shaming and harms people you weren't intending to insult.",
">\n\nPeople like this? You’re assuming things about me because I am a character in your mind not a real person. I am not a monolith. We should not be body shaming people. I am explaining the other side of this issue and why people use these terms. You never asked if I use these same terms in my life. You assumed I do. I don’t. You didn’t even bother to read my response because if you did you would have realized this.",
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">\n\nYou can have smol pp but big pp energy and vice versa",
">\n\nSo why is the phrase small dick energy if it has nothing to do with having a small dick?",
">\n\nIdk man, I just work here.",
">\n\nYou know why. Lol cause small dick is associated with bad. And by insulting dicks you use this knowledge to offend, at the cost of body shaming people. \nStop feigning dumb just to avoid the reasoning lol",
">\n\nI can see how it would be offensive, and I wouldn’t use it myself. I feel like the phrase refers more to how someone acts as opposed to how they are endowed. And how it’s behavior and actions that make people think down of you not your penis.",
">\n\nPoint is that we, as a society, should encourage better insults that attack the comments of the person without necessarily having to equate it to something someone with a small dick.",
">\n\nWould you agree with me, that if Andrew clapped back with one of those that the internet would be up in arms about it?",
">\n\nYou mean the way that you are, here, on the internet, up in arms?",
">\n\nIm one person on reddit, theres no major backlash like there would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\nSee, what's happening here is that you are also looking at people who are \"one person on Reddit\" and pretending it's a major backlash. Andrew Tate says fucked up things about women all the time (in fact, it's kind of his whole schtick) and it's as much of a non-event as this is.",
">\n\nPlease link me to something fucked up hes said about women, and ill agree with you, two wrongs don't make a right.",
">\n\nHere's exhibit A.",
">\n\nSure I agree with you he has said fucked up stuff about women, it doesn't mean its okay to make a joke about small dick energy.\nDo you understand my point?",
">\n\nWe understand, it's just that your point is fucking stupid",
">\n\nYou have no idea what his point is, it's funny that people on this thread OP and others actually like Andrew Tate.\nIt proves that everyone is completely frothingly tribalistic with zero nuance.",
">\n\nIf someone is behaving insufferably, people are going to laugh at them for things that they wouldn’t find funny if it happened to someone they liked.\nFor example, is it funny when people go bankrupt? No. Would it be funny if someone like Andrew Tate went bankrupt after boasting about Bugattis and all of his mass wealth? Yes. This doesn’t mean people who would make fun of him for that are making fun of poverty or all people who lose their livelihoods, it would just be funny if it happened to that particular person. \nIn the same way, the idea that Tate does all the douchey, over the top macho things that he does in order to compensate for having a small penis is funny, whilst it not being funny to make fun of every person who has a small penis.",
">\n\nSubstitute fat. Is that ok?",
">\n\nDepends on what the fat person is doing. If the person is minding their own business then no, if the fat person is attacking other people’s appearances then yeah go for it.",
">\n\nInteresting take. Might want to play with that a bit. A lot of situations where your reasoning falls apart.",
">\n\nPeople insulted Trump for being fat when he tried to say he was like the most fit person ever. People make fun of Elon Musk's body. You can make the same type of insult to two different people and it come off two different ways. \nWhen you make your identity or argument around something it opens up certain insults and comebacks. \nTate's whole thing is trying to act like this \"alpha male\" when in reality he's a sex trafficking weirdo who pays women to hang out with him. It's totally fine to insult him with a childish insult. \nI also find that people worried or mad about this don't actually care about body image issues. They just want a gotcha moment for people. Because many would have shitty takes about fat people or whine about pc culture.",
">\n\nWhen you call some MF that doesn't necessarily mean you are a MF... I'm not saying it's okay to say abusing words but we still do use them.\nI don't think she said it in literal terms, it was completely literary. Also she only said it cause it was Tate who she said it to. Also if a woman has small tits and someone said to someone else that they have small tits energy, I don't think one who actually has small tits would mind it, cause she is not involved and it's kinda perfect way of irritating Tate.. cause he really cares about these things. \nWhen it comes to increasing the insecurity of someone who actually has small D and is insecure about it... She couldn't think so far cause all she wanted was to irritate Tate and she was successful",
">\n\nI don't think it even irritated him if that was her goal but definitely helped him with popularity. It just proves what he says people think of insecure men, it just moves them to him and he gains more influence. It was an ignorant reply in poor taste. Someone with much following and influence as Greta shouldn't be as irresponsible and the followers shouldn't be having to do mental gymnastics to defend her instead of seeing it as it is: body shaming against men.",
">\n\nIs this some kind of weird meta-game? Are Andrew Tate fans pretending to actually be offended by this stupid insult to prove a point? Does anybody actually think her retort was any sharper than a brick wrapped in a wet blanket?\nWhat is going on here?!",
">\n\n\nWhat is going on here?!\n\nAndrew Tate fans have a lot of small dick energy. That's whats going on.",
">\n\nWhy are people not allowed dislike tate (he's an absolute idiot and a grifter) and also to criticize obvious body shaming from a supposed progressive? If Biden started talking about \"N*gger energy\" criticizing Kanye for antisemitism, would that be ok in your eyes? Would you say that a black guy who doesn't like that must be an angry Kanye fan? Or is it disgustingly offensive towards all African Americans to use that type of language no matter what?",
">\n\nBecause it suits their narrative to frame it as if people are just defending tate. It's easier than just actually defending body shaming. Done deal.",
">\n\nI think Greta used that phrase not because she actually believes or wants to promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior, but because people like Andrew Tate believe and promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior. If Andrew Tate gets hurt because Greta says he has small dick energy, then maybe -- just maybe, with the tiniest bit of introspection -- he'll come to realize how hateful some of his language is.\nBullies like Andrew Tate don't really respond to logic or pleas for sympathy. The only way to maybe make them understand the hurt they cause is to inflict it on them, because they don't care about anyone but themselves. \nSo instead of putting the cart before the horse and blaming Greta for using an offensive phrase as an argumentative tactic, maybe blame the people who use the phrase to actually demean people.",
">\n\nCan we substitute fat instead and be justified?",
">\n\nYes people did that with Trump when he claimed to be the fittest person ever basically. If someone has a habit of insulting people a certain way or making certain claims then they open themselves up to specific insults. \nSometimes we'd find those insults not tasteful if said to other people. But I feel like most people equating this to fat insults don't actually care about fat people. A lot of people would also be like oh things are getting too pc or soft or woke when it comes to body positivity towards fat people. So for me it's hard to buy this line of reasoning as being truly valid or caring.",
">\n\nNo one said it has to be authentic caring. This sub is for exploring the intellectual arguments. Your perception of how authentic someone’s feelings towards fat people is basically irrelevant. Argue the point or don’t. Passing your authenticity test is a wierd standard to try to argue for.",
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">\n\nYes, making insults is offensive. That's the point.\nInsults that reference a body part are also offensive to people who are insecure about that body part. That's also kinda obvious.\nWhat do you want your mind changed about here? I'm unclear about what you think can be discussed about an insult meant to be insulting. Are you arguing that this insult is especially wrong in some way?\nHow is this not just you soapboxing?",
">\n\nThere's a reason as a society we don't use insults like \"retard\". This is in the same vein. You're attributing a negative thing with a man having a small penis. This is harmful as it perpetuates the stigma surrounding penis size which is outside ones control. Essentially it degrades a group of people who have nothing to do with it. OP wants to know whether or not this is reconciled. Reading the comments... It has not been. \nMaking gendered insults doesn't bother me truthfully but I can understand the frustration OP is expressing because were it to be a man making some edgy reference to a woman's lady parts being inadequate as a way to demean them then everyone would be outraged as opposed to cheering it on.",
">\n\nUsing “small dick” as an insult, or “loose pussy” isn’t really offensive unless you are insecure about the physical viability of your reproductive organs. \nBut, that doesn’t make it funny. It’s a really juvenile and uncreative way of ridiculing someone.",
">\n\nInsecure women are offended when they're fat shamed.\nIt's still body shaming.\nIt's still wrong.",
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">\n\nGuy randomly decides to flex on her by saying I HAVE CARS AND I LIKE TO GO VROOOOM. It's like when Piers decides that it's absolutely important to eat meat in front of vegans. It's not about penis size. It's just that smalldickenergy is a perfect explanation of why would someone decide to behave like this.",
">\n\nShe is 19. Maybe in a few years she will have more mature insults. It’s a lot of pressure to be put on someone so young to also say the perfect thing all the time",
">\n\nUnder nearly all circumstances, I agree with you.\nHowever, for a lot of people who have built a cult of personality around any given ideal, insults of the inoffensive type are completely commonplace. All they have to do is fend off one or two instances of this PG rated attacks, strawman them, call them snowflakes, and their following is bolstered and enhanced. Instead of having any negative effect, it becomes part of their inherent power.\nSometimes if you want to rattle a cult leader you have to hit with precision their most critical weakness and watch them implode. The fact that Tate is squirming so hard and doing everything he can to reclaim some of his dignity after Greta's clapback means that she has his number. Great isn't saying that having a small dick is bad, but knowing that Tate's entire personality is built about being an alpha male and that calling into question the size of his member will hurt him the most is what she was after. \nOf course, it wasn't classy and could be offensive to some. But as the saying goes, sometimes you have to fight fire with fire.",
">\n\nReally is he squirming? \nHe's rich he's popular and now he's gotten someone he disagrees with to repeat his ideology and platform spreading it to a wider audience. \nI'd argue he's happy for the attention and popularity that she's given to him now and enjoying the increased sales in his business as more men who feel marginalized and left out join him seeing this hypocrisy playing out. Not to mention all the political players( internationally) who were against climate action seeing all this and aligning themselves appropriately, possibly propping him up and making him something more than what he actually is- An ignorant troll. \nEngage with a troll and you only give them more power. The tweet was dumb and people should know better.\nEdit: spacing",
">\n\nI'm not commenting on whether or not his fans will like him more or if the controversy will inadvertently grant him a wider audience. \nI'm commenting that Greta knew exactly where and how to hit him the hardest. Yes, he is definitely squirming. He has scrambled out half a dozen prepubescent \"I know you are but what am I\" tweets. Then he went and made the absolute cringiest response video. He's incensed by being talked down to by Greta and is overcompensating. \nDid her tweet have any net positive effect on society? No. Did it ruffle Tate's feathers and make his blood boil? Yea. Would he have even cared if she called him a misogynistic prick? Absolutely not. He would have just told her to sit down and shut up, that misogyny is made up by inferior women blah blah blah...\nInstead, his insecurities are eating him alive.",
">\n\nWhy even respond and give him attention that he so desperately craves? And why body shame men in the process? \nIf she didn't have a better insult she could have just went on with her life instead of helping him grow. Using \"small dick energy\" as an insult means implicitly we agree that people with small penises are inferior and undesirable. That's basically what Tate is on about ( Toxic masculinity). And by laughing at her tweet we all reinforce that perception. Do you get that? \nSick of double standards and hypocrisy. At least people should have the courage to own up and acknowledge it then move on instead of doubling down and performing mental gymnastics to justify an obvious case of body shaming.\nI agree with you on one thing that the net effect on society because of this tweet exchange is negative and only serves the people who Greta and her followers hate.",
">\n\nI think you are missing what I am saying. I fully agree that it wasn't necessary nor was it the right thing for Greta to do. I also agree that it just gives him attention and was overall a useless venture other for the entertainment of Tate haters.\nOP asked why it is okay. I stated that it isn't okay but that I understand why Greta took that road rather than the suggested non-offensive approach. It is because he's immune to it. What he isn't immune to is his masculinity and ego being questioned. What is the point of the Wolf continuing to blow on the brick house? None. To get to the scared little piggies inside he needs a jackhammer. \nAnd it worked exactly how she planned it to. He was rattled and anyone who hates Tate is amused. \nNot saying it's the right thing to do, nor do I want anyone to feel ashamed of the size of their penis.",
">\n\nOk.. thanks for elaborating on that. I misunderstood your comment as a disagreement and engaged to try and change your mind but seems we share the same view.",
">\n\nYou do not know what Greta is \"fully aware\" of. She is referring to character and behaviour, why are you taking this personally? She isn't speaking to you, hasn't seen you, doesn't know you. I don't know why you are externalizing your issue like this and waving it around in public, is it our responsibility to fix this for you?\nShe was just making a tiny joke. Relax. smalldickenergy @ getalife .com is hilarious.",
">\n\nAside from everything else, it's men who started the 'big dick energy' idiocy so to then complain when someone uses their own stupidity against them...",
">\n\nYeah because men are a monolith and we all meet in a room and know each other smh.",
">\n\nThey’re saying it’s offensive to more than just Andrew Tate",
">\n\nYeah but again, ISN'T THE PURPOSE",
">\n\nWhat do you mean again? You didn’t say that before. And why does the purpose matter? You can do a bad thing without meaning to.",
">\n\nI meant to say isn't that the purpose lol mb",
">\n\nOh lol I probably should have realized that. But I think the point of the insult was to offend Andrew Tate.",
">\n\nFair. Trying to not say anything about him one way or another so I don't get downvoted to hell.",
">\n\nGreta lost that argument. She literally has like a hundred things Tate has said and done she could attack. Easy target... The one thing she chose to do is to body shame the man. It's just name calling. It's not a refutation of Tate. If anything it makes her sound stupid for her inability to come up with a refutation.",
">\n\nExactly. But people are just cheering her on and laughing along without grasping the nuance of the situation.",
">\n\nI think you are kinda missing the point. People know it offensive. The issue is that they don't care.",
">\n\nPeople used to make fun of small tits all the time. Remember the 90s? Remember the itty bitty titty committee? I don't know if that's a thing any more, but skinny women with no butts are definitely not seen as attractive. It's not fair. It's not their fault. People need to stop shaming themselves and eachother, and accept all bodies. Until then, \"small dick energy\" won't cease to be an insult. I guess the difference is people are sort of \"punching up\" since it's always been people with dicks who have the power in this world. I've never heard a dude say that another dude has \"small dick energy.\" It's always a woman saying that. Either way I think it's dumb but I get it. I've always thought \"Karen\" was a dumb insult too. Not someone's fault they were named Karen, LOL.",
">\n\nAndrew insulted her. He was asking for this insult. She was totally in the right. She wasn’t trying to shame anyone else. You’re asking for this insult too.",
">\n\nIsn't it more offensive for small pp folk, that there is a guy who base his entire existence on top of an argument that being an alpha, prime male is the most important thing in the world, and you need to be a testosterone bomb gorilla to have any kind of value. Isn't that argument disregards small dick guys in the first place?",
">\n\nAnd Greta just reinforced it with her reply. Do you see the problem now?\nEdit:replaced \"comment\" with \"reply\"",
">\n\nI believe I've already made a statement about what the problem is.",
">\n\nThen do you understand why Greta's reply is offensive and playing into Andrew Tate's hands?",
">\n\nLol this is twitter. There is no playing into each other's hands. Get outside.",
">\n\nOh look. Greta is human. Someone who spent a lot of her growing up time trying to educate people.\nIf she was in a bar and some doofus made a pass, she's just asserting herself. Age and context. Good on her.",
">\n\nIt is actually been studied. Men with small penises actually do have less energy- testosterone or something.",
">\n\nBeing offended by anything is each person's individual choice. If something is offensive to you, then simply choose to not be offended by it. It's truly that simple.",
">\n\nSo there is no such thing as hate speech?",
">\n\nNo, I didn't say that. Someone can certainly say something to someone that they hate with words that they feel will harm them mentally. That is \"hate speech\". The point I was trying to make is that we all as individuals have the choice to react to whatever someone says in whatever way we choose to react. If I feel offended by something that someone is saying, it is my choice to be offended by it.",
">\n\nI pretty much agree, but now we come to who decides. Does the person doing the talking decide whether it is hate speech? Or the person being talked at?",
">\n\nThere is no decision. The person who is talking thinks that what they are saying is not hateful, or they do. The person being talked at thinks that what the other person is saying is hateful, or they don't. The point is that it only matters if you make it matter to you. For example, if I say you are the dumbest person on earth, am I committing the crime of hate speech? Are you the dumbest person on earth? Probably not. But maybe I believe that you are. Does that make it true? If so, then it's not hate speech it's the truth...to me. If you, personally, believe that you are not the dumbest person on earth, then why would you concern yourself with what my dumbass has to say? To you, I'm the dumbest person on earth. I hope I'm getting my point across here.",
">\n\nSo we agree then? No laws regarding hate speech at all. You just ignore it and move on.",
">\n\nYes, sir.",
">\n\nYup",
">\n\nWhat if I say that I am offended that you are offended that you say \"small dick energy\" is offensive to men that are insecure about their size? Say I'm a man with a huge, massive dong. Say it's been a huge issue for me all my life. Let's say, hypothetically, that I am hugely insecure about the massive size of my dong and it's given me problems all my life. Every time I, hypothetically, go for a jog it's constantly flopping all over the place chaffing up my leg. Every time I have sex it's always this huge issue and only like half of the thing can go in before the receiver is like \"oh my god, stop, that's too much!\" Every time I receive oral sex, anything more than an inch beyond the tip causes a gag reflex. Does that sound exciting to you? Here you are bragging about your completely normal sized penis and all your normal sized penis sex and here this hypothetical person with a huge massive dong has all these issues. I can see how a hypothetical person with this debilitating issue would take offense that you take offense.",
">\n\nShe's an edgelord",
">\n\nreddit",
">\n\nSounds like a skill issue",
">\n\nDo you really get that offended? It's not like males themselves haven't sexualized females and their bodies and have said even worse and more common things about them? But we get offended over sum small? pun intended",
">\n\n“Some males have sexualized females therefore it’s fine for society to make fun of penis size.”",
">\n\nSociety? I don't see everyone (which represents society) doing it 😂 maybe you are focusing too much on negativity and that's all you see",
">\n\nSaying “small dick energy” is inherently a negative thing because it’s an insult. It also implies that there’s something bad about less endowed people because Tate is being compared to that demographic. \nWhen I say society, I mean that a decent percentage of people have “____ dick energy” built into their vocabulary to the point where the meaning of these terms is widely agreed on and it loses it’s direct connection to the penis. This doesn’t mean that the term is appropriate to use though since it originated from actual body shaming.",
">\n\nBattle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.",
">\n\nI think you should consider the situation at hand and less the use of insults as an absolute \nAndrew Tate absolutely deserves it",
">\n\nthe post its about the insult. \n\"Yeah I called this person a N... but lets focus on how bad that person is!!\"\nThe insult not only its very inflammatory (shows patriarcal estigmas,Its body shaming, reinforces toxic masculinity)\nIts also an extremely weak answer, its a groundless ad hominem. I would dare to argue the insult talks more about breta and his internalized toxic patriarcal estigmas than anything against tate.",
">\n\nGreta didn't start this. He was harassing her.",
">\n\n\"He started it\" -That's a toddler's excuse lmao",
">\n\nSo, in your opinion, Greta would have insulted him whether he had harassed her first, or not?",
">\n\nHer insulting him isn't the problem here. Its how she insulted him that's problematic.",
">\n\nWell, if he didn't want to be insulted, he could've done pretty much anything else with his time. I love the way you think people should be able to gatekeep how other people should hurt the feelings of people who are harassing them.",
">\n\nI'm not defending him or saying his feelings are hurt or that he doesn't deserve the insult. You're completely missing the point of this post and what we've been discussing. \n\"Body shaming is acceptable when it's directed at people we don't like\"- this is the hypocrisy that's being pointed out. It's not about who's better Tate or Greta but it's the bigger issue of shaming men's insecurities without any regard to their mental health. Do you get it now?",
">\n\nI think I do. It hadn't occurred to me that you might have a small penis. My apologies. Perhaps just as Greta Thurnberg travels the world as an advocate for awareness of Climate Change, you can break down the stereotype that people with small penises have energy. You should probably do as little as possible, though, since you don't want to be accused of having \"energy.\"",
">\n\nWasted my time replying after your \"he started it\" comment smh. Toddler mentality gugu gaga talk to me after you understand the issue.\nEdit: issue",
">\n\nI'm sorry about your peepee. But you have taught me not to trust stereotypes. And learning is fundamental.",
">\n\nI almost forgot. Please don't use the word toddler. It's offensive to small children.",
">\n\nFirst of all \"small dick energy\" shames the energy, not the small dick. It shames the fact to be insecure by your dick size (which is a metaphor for being insecure about your masculinity in general) and overcompensate by doing big manly stuff. It doesn't shame the fact to have a small dick.\nYou can argue that it is as bad, but it's important to understand that.",
">\n\nDon't be a cunt mate.",
">\n\nTechnically yes its body shaming but it's not that big a deal I think",
">\n\nIt has more to do with how they're acting rather than actual anatomy size.",
">\n\ncouple things: small dicks is one of the things about men that men tend to care about to an obsessive degree, that women do to a way lesser degree but pretend to, because men typically like to have a very braggadocious and obnoxious attitude about everything. this tate guy is that to the nth degree. so i mean if anyone deserves being called \"SDE\" its this tate guy \nsecond thing is that people who genuinely do have small dicks don't own that they have what they do; they lie about it. people who really do own that they have small dicks aren't made fun of for having them, because its not funny; the whole point is that you're lying about it and pretending like you're some big shot stud asshole, when you're not. if you own that you have a small dick, then ironically, you don't have \"SDE\"; you own what you have, you're not overcompensating and pretending to be something you're not. \nso if greta thunburg was to call, say, howard stern \"SDE\", a dude who owns that he has a small dick and makes fun of himself for it, then it wouldn't be funny. and howard stern even IS a braggadocious asshole. andrew tate is just wayyyyy more of one, and he pretend like he's god's gift to women. \nin general when it comes to \"oh poor men won't anybody think of the men\" i just cringe. i'm not the most liberal guy. but conservative guys just reappropriating the oppression olympics self-victimization shit and applying it to themselves is just pathetic.",
">\n\nSmall dick guy here... I always felt like guys like Howard Stern were compensating for it by self-loathing comedy. That's a big thing comedians do in general, and so to me it's always hard to say a guy truly doesn't care about it just because he's joking about it. On the other hand, maybe I'm just projecting, because I'll poke fun at my tiny pecker and not really care if someone makes fun of me for it, but it also does truly bother me a little bit when I hear things like, \"Oh that guy is an asshole, he must be mad because he has a tiny dick.\" Like... As if all us small guys are just furious that we aren't gonna win the dick-measuring contest that we let it affect our daily lives. It's a matter of extremes I think. I'm sure there's some guys with small ones that genuinely don't give a single fuck, and others who let it influence their entire lives, but I think most men with a small wang living in a society which implies that's a bad thing are going to end up somewhere in the middle of the scale.\nThe people I really feel bad for are the young people. Growing up with a small dick is a million times harder than being an adult with one. For the most part, nobody really cares if you're a grown man that's small, but when you're a teenager you feel like everybody cares. I had a really hard time wanting to pursue girls because of it, always worried about what their reaction would be, is they'd tell their girlfriends and it would get back to the other guys, etc. And that DOES happen... I remember being at the lunch table and someone saying, 'Did you hear Mike's dick is only x inches?\" and I'd be sitting there like, an inch shorter than Mike and pretending that I found it as funny as everyone else around the table. It didn't really hit me until I was much older that I probably wasn't the only one at the table doing that. Plus I always thought it was weird like, at least that was evidence \"Mike\" was getting some, why should he care if it was small? It wasn't until I got over it and had a few flings and girlfriends that I realized it made such a little difference (pun intended) than what I had built it up to in my mind.\nSo I mean... Yeah, I think some guys do truly have small dick energy, but all that means is they're insecure and I think it kind of sucks that people don't think about the feelings of people who had no part of the fight who get their feelings hurt as collateral damage, and that somehow just because of the douche the insult was leveled at we go, \"Haha you feel insecure about your body!\"\nOne thing it makes me think about that I'm guilty of is calling guys closet-cases. Yeah, I am just trying to point out they're overcompensating about things because they are ashamed of their sexuality, but I don't really take a pause and think, \"Wow, I bet that makes the people actually in the closet feel like shit.\" In some ways, I think it's even worse than just simple body shaming that as a society we're going around making fun of people for issues that could very well be deep seeded mental health issues, or could become so.",
">\n\nidk i just think that the only people being accused of having small dicks are people who are so obnoxious that it feels like they're compensating, like this guy. so sure its \"body shaming\", but a) body shaming is just something that happens that idk if we can ever really do anything about, because human beings value different body parts differently, and b) its only really shaming people because of their behavior, not their bodies. its shaming their behavior, by implying something about their bodies that would be embarrassing particularly for a person who is displaying this behavior, like tate does, because somebody that obsessed with getting chicks would probably be extremely concerned if people thought he had a small dick."
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Very well put. I honestly think you have changed some minds today. Hopefully more people stop and think before blindly defending someone they look up to.
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"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult.",
">\n\nIt's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh.",
">\n\nHonestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV",
">\n\nPeople can make mistakes and this was one of them.. so we can all just criticize her reply fairly and move on. No need for acute mental gymnastics to defend her as this comments section is showing lmao.",
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">\n\nI don't think anyone is arguing it's not offensive. I'm pretty sure she was trying to offend insecure men. Apparently with great success.",
">\n\nShe was trying to offend men who were insecure about their body image?\nHow is that not body shaming?",
">\n\nIt is, but we playing the avoidance and rationalization game",
">\n\nbecause women invented \"small dick energy\"\nharsh, sad. but we go jim🗿",
">\n\nOP never mentioned women tho. Post is strictly about why it's offensive. Do you disagree that it's not offensive or you think it's a trivial matter to make fun of that men's mental health doesn't matter as much?",
">\n\nThe female equivalent is\n\"Loose Pussy Energy\".\nThe typical man-hate hypocrisy commonly going around is beyond obvious. And it is an attack on All men and boys not just some.",
">\n\nNot a disagreement per se, but also worth noting that it’s transphobic. Which is to say, it insults all men by reinforcing patriarchy and punching down to two groups of men.",
">\n\nShe said small dick energy. Not that he had a small dick (though, come on). She used that phrase BECAUSE it's Tate. She's not a moron.\nHe is, as evidenced by his life to this point and his two responses to Thunberg, which were epically pathetic, is a moron and didn't seem to get it, though he doesn't get a lot.",
">\n\nThis is worse than saying he has a small dick, because how would she know, and that would just be dismissed as stupid.\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\nI can't understand the mental gymnastics some people are doing to try and say this isn't body shaming.",
">\n\n\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\n\nI mean yeah -- kind of like how pussy is an insult denoting cowardice, cunt is an insult meaning basically, terrible, etc., \nShe used that on purpose. Are you making CMV every time you see someone calling someone else a pussy?",
">\n\nPussy is kind of already known to be a shitty gendered insult so it doesn't need a CMV. In this case, Greta's gendered \"having a small penis is bad\" tweet is massively amplified, reached r/all on a shitload of subs, etc. so some discussion about whether or not that is cool is warranted",
">\n\nSmall dick energy isn’t about having a small dick tho. It’s a reflection of an attitude that men who are offensive, aggressive, nasty to people are overcompensating for their insecurities. A small dick doesn’t mean you won’t be able to find a partner or that you’re any less of a man. Being a downright trash bag of a human to others, like in this instance where an internet edgelord is cyber bullying a teenager on the internet who is fighting for the survival of our planet/humanity is an example of this trash behavior, is more of a determining factor. \nYou can also have a small dick but have big dick energy, as it’s reflective of who you are as a person. It’s an attitude. It’s who you choose to be to yourself and others. Hell, there’s women who use the term that they have big dick energy and I can tell you those women’s dicks are none existent so therefore size isn’t a thing. \nNo one should be made fun of for something they had no control over. The worth of a man is not tied to the size of his penis. Although, toxic masculinity and shallow people will tell you different. They say the same for disabled people, fat people etc. There’s plenty of people who are not “conventional standards of beauty” which is the majority of us, that lead happy, healthy relationships. Those relationships start with yourself and understanding your worth as a person isn’t tied to what you look like or how big your junk is. \nThe point is if you choose to be a trash person like Tate, where your self worth is tied into how cruel/offensive you can be to other people, don’t be mad if people call you out for that trashy attitude. Your post definitely reeks of “men are the true victims” when clearly you didn’t seem to have a problem with a grown man cyber bullying a teenager.",
">\n\nI like how you imply that OP is a fan of a literal human trafficker because they point out that a body-shaming insult is body-shaming. Do you understand why associating a trait of someone's body with negative personality traits is bad?",
">\n\nNo because people like this always have exceptions that allow them to use the things they complain about. Cognitive gymnastics allows them to recognise shaming women and people of colour is bad, because society will eat them otherwise, but when someone shows up who deserves a bit of a roasting all of their social etiquette rules go out the window and the excuses come out as to why in this context it doesn't count.\n\"Ahh no, here it is a reflection of an attitude\" blah blah 3 paragraphs later and we've clouded over the simple fact that body shaming is body shaming and harms people you weren't intending to insult.",
">\n\nPeople like this? You’re assuming things about me because I am a character in your mind not a real person. I am not a monolith. We should not be body shaming people. I am explaining the other side of this issue and why people use these terms. You never asked if I use these same terms in my life. You assumed I do. I don’t. You didn’t even bother to read my response because if you did you would have realized this.",
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">\n\nYou can have smol pp but big pp energy and vice versa",
">\n\nSo why is the phrase small dick energy if it has nothing to do with having a small dick?",
">\n\nIdk man, I just work here.",
">\n\nYou know why. Lol cause small dick is associated with bad. And by insulting dicks you use this knowledge to offend, at the cost of body shaming people. \nStop feigning dumb just to avoid the reasoning lol",
">\n\nI can see how it would be offensive, and I wouldn’t use it myself. I feel like the phrase refers more to how someone acts as opposed to how they are endowed. And how it’s behavior and actions that make people think down of you not your penis.",
">\n\nPoint is that we, as a society, should encourage better insults that attack the comments of the person without necessarily having to equate it to something someone with a small dick.",
">\n\nWould you agree with me, that if Andrew clapped back with one of those that the internet would be up in arms about it?",
">\n\nYou mean the way that you are, here, on the internet, up in arms?",
">\n\nIm one person on reddit, theres no major backlash like there would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\nSee, what's happening here is that you are also looking at people who are \"one person on Reddit\" and pretending it's a major backlash. Andrew Tate says fucked up things about women all the time (in fact, it's kind of his whole schtick) and it's as much of a non-event as this is.",
">\n\nPlease link me to something fucked up hes said about women, and ill agree with you, two wrongs don't make a right.",
">\n\nHere's exhibit A.",
">\n\nSure I agree with you he has said fucked up stuff about women, it doesn't mean its okay to make a joke about small dick energy.\nDo you understand my point?",
">\n\nWe understand, it's just that your point is fucking stupid",
">\n\nYou have no idea what his point is, it's funny that people on this thread OP and others actually like Andrew Tate.\nIt proves that everyone is completely frothingly tribalistic with zero nuance.",
">\n\nIf someone is behaving insufferably, people are going to laugh at them for things that they wouldn’t find funny if it happened to someone they liked.\nFor example, is it funny when people go bankrupt? No. Would it be funny if someone like Andrew Tate went bankrupt after boasting about Bugattis and all of his mass wealth? Yes. This doesn’t mean people who would make fun of him for that are making fun of poverty or all people who lose their livelihoods, it would just be funny if it happened to that particular person. \nIn the same way, the idea that Tate does all the douchey, over the top macho things that he does in order to compensate for having a small penis is funny, whilst it not being funny to make fun of every person who has a small penis.",
">\n\nSubstitute fat. Is that ok?",
">\n\nDepends on what the fat person is doing. If the person is minding their own business then no, if the fat person is attacking other people’s appearances then yeah go for it.",
">\n\nInteresting take. Might want to play with that a bit. A lot of situations where your reasoning falls apart.",
">\n\nPeople insulted Trump for being fat when he tried to say he was like the most fit person ever. People make fun of Elon Musk's body. You can make the same type of insult to two different people and it come off two different ways. \nWhen you make your identity or argument around something it opens up certain insults and comebacks. \nTate's whole thing is trying to act like this \"alpha male\" when in reality he's a sex trafficking weirdo who pays women to hang out with him. It's totally fine to insult him with a childish insult. \nI also find that people worried or mad about this don't actually care about body image issues. They just want a gotcha moment for people. Because many would have shitty takes about fat people or whine about pc culture.",
">\n\nWhen you call some MF that doesn't necessarily mean you are a MF... I'm not saying it's okay to say abusing words but we still do use them.\nI don't think she said it in literal terms, it was completely literary. Also she only said it cause it was Tate who she said it to. Also if a woman has small tits and someone said to someone else that they have small tits energy, I don't think one who actually has small tits would mind it, cause she is not involved and it's kinda perfect way of irritating Tate.. cause he really cares about these things. \nWhen it comes to increasing the insecurity of someone who actually has small D and is insecure about it... She couldn't think so far cause all she wanted was to irritate Tate and she was successful",
">\n\nI don't think it even irritated him if that was her goal but definitely helped him with popularity. It just proves what he says people think of insecure men, it just moves them to him and he gains more influence. It was an ignorant reply in poor taste. Someone with much following and influence as Greta shouldn't be as irresponsible and the followers shouldn't be having to do mental gymnastics to defend her instead of seeing it as it is: body shaming against men.",
">\n\nIs this some kind of weird meta-game? Are Andrew Tate fans pretending to actually be offended by this stupid insult to prove a point? Does anybody actually think her retort was any sharper than a brick wrapped in a wet blanket?\nWhat is going on here?!",
">\n\n\nWhat is going on here?!\n\nAndrew Tate fans have a lot of small dick energy. That's whats going on.",
">\n\nWhy are people not allowed dislike tate (he's an absolute idiot and a grifter) and also to criticize obvious body shaming from a supposed progressive? If Biden started talking about \"N*gger energy\" criticizing Kanye for antisemitism, would that be ok in your eyes? Would you say that a black guy who doesn't like that must be an angry Kanye fan? Or is it disgustingly offensive towards all African Americans to use that type of language no matter what?",
">\n\nBecause it suits their narrative to frame it as if people are just defending tate. It's easier than just actually defending body shaming. Done deal.",
">\n\nI think Greta used that phrase not because she actually believes or wants to promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior, but because people like Andrew Tate believe and promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior. If Andrew Tate gets hurt because Greta says he has small dick energy, then maybe -- just maybe, with the tiniest bit of introspection -- he'll come to realize how hateful some of his language is.\nBullies like Andrew Tate don't really respond to logic or pleas for sympathy. The only way to maybe make them understand the hurt they cause is to inflict it on them, because they don't care about anyone but themselves. \nSo instead of putting the cart before the horse and blaming Greta for using an offensive phrase as an argumentative tactic, maybe blame the people who use the phrase to actually demean people.",
">\n\nCan we substitute fat instead and be justified?",
">\n\nYes people did that with Trump when he claimed to be the fittest person ever basically. If someone has a habit of insulting people a certain way or making certain claims then they open themselves up to specific insults. \nSometimes we'd find those insults not tasteful if said to other people. But I feel like most people equating this to fat insults don't actually care about fat people. A lot of people would also be like oh things are getting too pc or soft or woke when it comes to body positivity towards fat people. So for me it's hard to buy this line of reasoning as being truly valid or caring.",
">\n\nNo one said it has to be authentic caring. This sub is for exploring the intellectual arguments. Your perception of how authentic someone’s feelings towards fat people is basically irrelevant. Argue the point or don’t. Passing your authenticity test is a wierd standard to try to argue for.",
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">\n\nYes, making insults is offensive. That's the point.\nInsults that reference a body part are also offensive to people who are insecure about that body part. That's also kinda obvious.\nWhat do you want your mind changed about here? I'm unclear about what you think can be discussed about an insult meant to be insulting. Are you arguing that this insult is especially wrong in some way?\nHow is this not just you soapboxing?",
">\n\nThere's a reason as a society we don't use insults like \"retard\". This is in the same vein. You're attributing a negative thing with a man having a small penis. This is harmful as it perpetuates the stigma surrounding penis size which is outside ones control. Essentially it degrades a group of people who have nothing to do with it. OP wants to know whether or not this is reconciled. Reading the comments... It has not been. \nMaking gendered insults doesn't bother me truthfully but I can understand the frustration OP is expressing because were it to be a man making some edgy reference to a woman's lady parts being inadequate as a way to demean them then everyone would be outraged as opposed to cheering it on.",
">\n\nUsing “small dick” as an insult, or “loose pussy” isn’t really offensive unless you are insecure about the physical viability of your reproductive organs. \nBut, that doesn’t make it funny. It’s a really juvenile and uncreative way of ridiculing someone.",
">\n\nInsecure women are offended when they're fat shamed.\nIt's still body shaming.\nIt's still wrong.",
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">\n\nGuy randomly decides to flex on her by saying I HAVE CARS AND I LIKE TO GO VROOOOM. It's like when Piers decides that it's absolutely important to eat meat in front of vegans. It's not about penis size. It's just that smalldickenergy is a perfect explanation of why would someone decide to behave like this.",
">\n\nShe is 19. Maybe in a few years she will have more mature insults. It’s a lot of pressure to be put on someone so young to also say the perfect thing all the time",
">\n\nUnder nearly all circumstances, I agree with you.\nHowever, for a lot of people who have built a cult of personality around any given ideal, insults of the inoffensive type are completely commonplace. All they have to do is fend off one or two instances of this PG rated attacks, strawman them, call them snowflakes, and their following is bolstered and enhanced. Instead of having any negative effect, it becomes part of their inherent power.\nSometimes if you want to rattle a cult leader you have to hit with precision their most critical weakness and watch them implode. The fact that Tate is squirming so hard and doing everything he can to reclaim some of his dignity after Greta's clapback means that she has his number. Great isn't saying that having a small dick is bad, but knowing that Tate's entire personality is built about being an alpha male and that calling into question the size of his member will hurt him the most is what she was after. \nOf course, it wasn't classy and could be offensive to some. But as the saying goes, sometimes you have to fight fire with fire.",
">\n\nReally is he squirming? \nHe's rich he's popular and now he's gotten someone he disagrees with to repeat his ideology and platform spreading it to a wider audience. \nI'd argue he's happy for the attention and popularity that she's given to him now and enjoying the increased sales in his business as more men who feel marginalized and left out join him seeing this hypocrisy playing out. Not to mention all the political players( internationally) who were against climate action seeing all this and aligning themselves appropriately, possibly propping him up and making him something more than what he actually is- An ignorant troll. \nEngage with a troll and you only give them more power. The tweet was dumb and people should know better.\nEdit: spacing",
">\n\nI'm not commenting on whether or not his fans will like him more or if the controversy will inadvertently grant him a wider audience. \nI'm commenting that Greta knew exactly where and how to hit him the hardest. Yes, he is definitely squirming. He has scrambled out half a dozen prepubescent \"I know you are but what am I\" tweets. Then he went and made the absolute cringiest response video. He's incensed by being talked down to by Greta and is overcompensating. \nDid her tweet have any net positive effect on society? No. Did it ruffle Tate's feathers and make his blood boil? Yea. Would he have even cared if she called him a misogynistic prick? Absolutely not. He would have just told her to sit down and shut up, that misogyny is made up by inferior women blah blah blah...\nInstead, his insecurities are eating him alive.",
">\n\nWhy even respond and give him attention that he so desperately craves? And why body shame men in the process? \nIf she didn't have a better insult she could have just went on with her life instead of helping him grow. Using \"small dick energy\" as an insult means implicitly we agree that people with small penises are inferior and undesirable. That's basically what Tate is on about ( Toxic masculinity). And by laughing at her tweet we all reinforce that perception. Do you get that? \nSick of double standards and hypocrisy. At least people should have the courage to own up and acknowledge it then move on instead of doubling down and performing mental gymnastics to justify an obvious case of body shaming.\nI agree with you on one thing that the net effect on society because of this tweet exchange is negative and only serves the people who Greta and her followers hate.",
">\n\nI think you are missing what I am saying. I fully agree that it wasn't necessary nor was it the right thing for Greta to do. I also agree that it just gives him attention and was overall a useless venture other for the entertainment of Tate haters.\nOP asked why it is okay. I stated that it isn't okay but that I understand why Greta took that road rather than the suggested non-offensive approach. It is because he's immune to it. What he isn't immune to is his masculinity and ego being questioned. What is the point of the Wolf continuing to blow on the brick house? None. To get to the scared little piggies inside he needs a jackhammer. \nAnd it worked exactly how she planned it to. He was rattled and anyone who hates Tate is amused. \nNot saying it's the right thing to do, nor do I want anyone to feel ashamed of the size of their penis.",
">\n\nOk.. thanks for elaborating on that. I misunderstood your comment as a disagreement and engaged to try and change your mind but seems we share the same view.",
">\n\nYou do not know what Greta is \"fully aware\" of. She is referring to character and behaviour, why are you taking this personally? She isn't speaking to you, hasn't seen you, doesn't know you. I don't know why you are externalizing your issue like this and waving it around in public, is it our responsibility to fix this for you?\nShe was just making a tiny joke. Relax. smalldickenergy @ getalife .com is hilarious.",
">\n\nAside from everything else, it's men who started the 'big dick energy' idiocy so to then complain when someone uses their own stupidity against them...",
">\n\nYeah because men are a monolith and we all meet in a room and know each other smh.",
">\n\nThey’re saying it’s offensive to more than just Andrew Tate",
">\n\nYeah but again, ISN'T THE PURPOSE",
">\n\nWhat do you mean again? You didn’t say that before. And why does the purpose matter? You can do a bad thing without meaning to.",
">\n\nI meant to say isn't that the purpose lol mb",
">\n\nOh lol I probably should have realized that. But I think the point of the insult was to offend Andrew Tate.",
">\n\nFair. Trying to not say anything about him one way or another so I don't get downvoted to hell.",
">\n\nGreta lost that argument. She literally has like a hundred things Tate has said and done she could attack. Easy target... The one thing she chose to do is to body shame the man. It's just name calling. It's not a refutation of Tate. If anything it makes her sound stupid for her inability to come up with a refutation.",
">\n\nExactly. But people are just cheering her on and laughing along without grasping the nuance of the situation.",
">\n\nI think you are kinda missing the point. People know it offensive. The issue is that they don't care.",
">\n\nPeople used to make fun of small tits all the time. Remember the 90s? Remember the itty bitty titty committee? I don't know if that's a thing any more, but skinny women with no butts are definitely not seen as attractive. It's not fair. It's not their fault. People need to stop shaming themselves and eachother, and accept all bodies. Until then, \"small dick energy\" won't cease to be an insult. I guess the difference is people are sort of \"punching up\" since it's always been people with dicks who have the power in this world. I've never heard a dude say that another dude has \"small dick energy.\" It's always a woman saying that. Either way I think it's dumb but I get it. I've always thought \"Karen\" was a dumb insult too. Not someone's fault they were named Karen, LOL.",
">\n\nAndrew insulted her. He was asking for this insult. She was totally in the right. She wasn’t trying to shame anyone else. You’re asking for this insult too.",
">\n\nIsn't it more offensive for small pp folk, that there is a guy who base his entire existence on top of an argument that being an alpha, prime male is the most important thing in the world, and you need to be a testosterone bomb gorilla to have any kind of value. Isn't that argument disregards small dick guys in the first place?",
">\n\nAnd Greta just reinforced it with her reply. Do you see the problem now?\nEdit:replaced \"comment\" with \"reply\"",
">\n\nI believe I've already made a statement about what the problem is.",
">\n\nThen do you understand why Greta's reply is offensive and playing into Andrew Tate's hands?",
">\n\nLol this is twitter. There is no playing into each other's hands. Get outside.",
">\n\nOh look. Greta is human. Someone who spent a lot of her growing up time trying to educate people.\nIf she was in a bar and some doofus made a pass, she's just asserting herself. Age and context. Good on her.",
">\n\nIt is actually been studied. Men with small penises actually do have less energy- testosterone or something.",
">\n\nBeing offended by anything is each person's individual choice. If something is offensive to you, then simply choose to not be offended by it. It's truly that simple.",
">\n\nSo there is no such thing as hate speech?",
">\n\nNo, I didn't say that. Someone can certainly say something to someone that they hate with words that they feel will harm them mentally. That is \"hate speech\". The point I was trying to make is that we all as individuals have the choice to react to whatever someone says in whatever way we choose to react. If I feel offended by something that someone is saying, it is my choice to be offended by it.",
">\n\nI pretty much agree, but now we come to who decides. Does the person doing the talking decide whether it is hate speech? Or the person being talked at?",
">\n\nThere is no decision. The person who is talking thinks that what they are saying is not hateful, or they do. The person being talked at thinks that what the other person is saying is hateful, or they don't. The point is that it only matters if you make it matter to you. For example, if I say you are the dumbest person on earth, am I committing the crime of hate speech? Are you the dumbest person on earth? Probably not. But maybe I believe that you are. Does that make it true? If so, then it's not hate speech it's the truth...to me. If you, personally, believe that you are not the dumbest person on earth, then why would you concern yourself with what my dumbass has to say? To you, I'm the dumbest person on earth. I hope I'm getting my point across here.",
">\n\nSo we agree then? No laws regarding hate speech at all. You just ignore it and move on.",
">\n\nYes, sir.",
">\n\nYup",
">\n\nWhat if I say that I am offended that you are offended that you say \"small dick energy\" is offensive to men that are insecure about their size? Say I'm a man with a huge, massive dong. Say it's been a huge issue for me all my life. Let's say, hypothetically, that I am hugely insecure about the massive size of my dong and it's given me problems all my life. Every time I, hypothetically, go for a jog it's constantly flopping all over the place chaffing up my leg. Every time I have sex it's always this huge issue and only like half of the thing can go in before the receiver is like \"oh my god, stop, that's too much!\" Every time I receive oral sex, anything more than an inch beyond the tip causes a gag reflex. Does that sound exciting to you? Here you are bragging about your completely normal sized penis and all your normal sized penis sex and here this hypothetical person with a huge massive dong has all these issues. I can see how a hypothetical person with this debilitating issue would take offense that you take offense.",
">\n\nShe's an edgelord",
">\n\nreddit",
">\n\nSounds like a skill issue",
">\n\nDo you really get that offended? It's not like males themselves haven't sexualized females and their bodies and have said even worse and more common things about them? But we get offended over sum small? pun intended",
">\n\n“Some males have sexualized females therefore it’s fine for society to make fun of penis size.”",
">\n\nSociety? I don't see everyone (which represents society) doing it 😂 maybe you are focusing too much on negativity and that's all you see",
">\n\nSaying “small dick energy” is inherently a negative thing because it’s an insult. It also implies that there’s something bad about less endowed people because Tate is being compared to that demographic. \nWhen I say society, I mean that a decent percentage of people have “____ dick energy” built into their vocabulary to the point where the meaning of these terms is widely agreed on and it loses it’s direct connection to the penis. This doesn’t mean that the term is appropriate to use though since it originated from actual body shaming.",
">\n\nBattle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.",
">\n\nI think you should consider the situation at hand and less the use of insults as an absolute \nAndrew Tate absolutely deserves it",
">\n\nthe post its about the insult. \n\"Yeah I called this person a N... but lets focus on how bad that person is!!\"\nThe insult not only its very inflammatory (shows patriarcal estigmas,Its body shaming, reinforces toxic masculinity)\nIts also an extremely weak answer, its a groundless ad hominem. I would dare to argue the insult talks more about breta and his internalized toxic patriarcal estigmas than anything against tate.",
">\n\nGreta didn't start this. He was harassing her.",
">\n\n\"He started it\" -That's a toddler's excuse lmao",
">\n\nSo, in your opinion, Greta would have insulted him whether he had harassed her first, or not?",
">\n\nHer insulting him isn't the problem here. Its how she insulted him that's problematic.",
">\n\nWell, if he didn't want to be insulted, he could've done pretty much anything else with his time. I love the way you think people should be able to gatekeep how other people should hurt the feelings of people who are harassing them.",
">\n\nI'm not defending him or saying his feelings are hurt or that he doesn't deserve the insult. You're completely missing the point of this post and what we've been discussing. \n\"Body shaming is acceptable when it's directed at people we don't like\"- this is the hypocrisy that's being pointed out. It's not about who's better Tate or Greta but it's the bigger issue of shaming men's insecurities without any regard to their mental health. Do you get it now?",
">\n\nI think I do. It hadn't occurred to me that you might have a small penis. My apologies. Perhaps just as Greta Thurnberg travels the world as an advocate for awareness of Climate Change, you can break down the stereotype that people with small penises have energy. You should probably do as little as possible, though, since you don't want to be accused of having \"energy.\"",
">\n\nWasted my time replying after your \"he started it\" comment smh. Toddler mentality gugu gaga talk to me after you understand the issue.\nEdit: issue",
">\n\nI'm sorry about your peepee. But you have taught me not to trust stereotypes. And learning is fundamental.",
">\n\nI almost forgot. Please don't use the word toddler. It's offensive to small children.",
">\n\nFirst of all \"small dick energy\" shames the energy, not the small dick. It shames the fact to be insecure by your dick size (which is a metaphor for being insecure about your masculinity in general) and overcompensate by doing big manly stuff. It doesn't shame the fact to have a small dick.\nYou can argue that it is as bad, but it's important to understand that.",
">\n\nDon't be a cunt mate.",
">\n\nTechnically yes its body shaming but it's not that big a deal I think",
">\n\nIt has more to do with how they're acting rather than actual anatomy size.",
">\n\ncouple things: small dicks is one of the things about men that men tend to care about to an obsessive degree, that women do to a way lesser degree but pretend to, because men typically like to have a very braggadocious and obnoxious attitude about everything. this tate guy is that to the nth degree. so i mean if anyone deserves being called \"SDE\" its this tate guy \nsecond thing is that people who genuinely do have small dicks don't own that they have what they do; they lie about it. people who really do own that they have small dicks aren't made fun of for having them, because its not funny; the whole point is that you're lying about it and pretending like you're some big shot stud asshole, when you're not. if you own that you have a small dick, then ironically, you don't have \"SDE\"; you own what you have, you're not overcompensating and pretending to be something you're not. \nso if greta thunburg was to call, say, howard stern \"SDE\", a dude who owns that he has a small dick and makes fun of himself for it, then it wouldn't be funny. and howard stern even IS a braggadocious asshole. andrew tate is just wayyyyy more of one, and he pretend like he's god's gift to women. \nin general when it comes to \"oh poor men won't anybody think of the men\" i just cringe. i'm not the most liberal guy. but conservative guys just reappropriating the oppression olympics self-victimization shit and applying it to themselves is just pathetic.",
">\n\nSmall dick guy here... I always felt like guys like Howard Stern were compensating for it by self-loathing comedy. That's a big thing comedians do in general, and so to me it's always hard to say a guy truly doesn't care about it just because he's joking about it. On the other hand, maybe I'm just projecting, because I'll poke fun at my tiny pecker and not really care if someone makes fun of me for it, but it also does truly bother me a little bit when I hear things like, \"Oh that guy is an asshole, he must be mad because he has a tiny dick.\" Like... As if all us small guys are just furious that we aren't gonna win the dick-measuring contest that we let it affect our daily lives. It's a matter of extremes I think. I'm sure there's some guys with small ones that genuinely don't give a single fuck, and others who let it influence their entire lives, but I think most men with a small wang living in a society which implies that's a bad thing are going to end up somewhere in the middle of the scale.\nThe people I really feel bad for are the young people. Growing up with a small dick is a million times harder than being an adult with one. For the most part, nobody really cares if you're a grown man that's small, but when you're a teenager you feel like everybody cares. I had a really hard time wanting to pursue girls because of it, always worried about what their reaction would be, is they'd tell their girlfriends and it would get back to the other guys, etc. And that DOES happen... I remember being at the lunch table and someone saying, 'Did you hear Mike's dick is only x inches?\" and I'd be sitting there like, an inch shorter than Mike and pretending that I found it as funny as everyone else around the table. It didn't really hit me until I was much older that I probably wasn't the only one at the table doing that. Plus I always thought it was weird like, at least that was evidence \"Mike\" was getting some, why should he care if it was small? It wasn't until I got over it and had a few flings and girlfriends that I realized it made such a little difference (pun intended) than what I had built it up to in my mind.\nSo I mean... Yeah, I think some guys do truly have small dick energy, but all that means is they're insecure and I think it kind of sucks that people don't think about the feelings of people who had no part of the fight who get their feelings hurt as collateral damage, and that somehow just because of the douche the insult was leveled at we go, \"Haha you feel insecure about your body!\"\nOne thing it makes me think about that I'm guilty of is calling guys closet-cases. Yeah, I am just trying to point out they're overcompensating about things because they are ashamed of their sexuality, but I don't really take a pause and think, \"Wow, I bet that makes the people actually in the closet feel like shit.\" In some ways, I think it's even worse than just simple body shaming that as a society we're going around making fun of people for issues that could very well be deep seeded mental health issues, or could become so.",
">\n\nidk i just think that the only people being accused of having small dicks are people who are so obnoxious that it feels like they're compensating, like this guy. so sure its \"body shaming\", but a) body shaming is just something that happens that idk if we can ever really do anything about, because human beings value different body parts differently, and b) its only really shaming people because of their behavior, not their bodies. its shaming their behavior, by implying something about their bodies that would be embarrassing particularly for a person who is displaying this behavior, like tate does, because somebody that obsessed with getting chicks would probably be extremely concerned if people thought he had a small dick.",
">\n\nYeah that's the thing though, for me it really bothers me more that people think I'm going around being an asshole, driving a huge truck or otherwise trying to compensate just because my dick is small. I can also see the idea that it implies that having a small dick is bad. I mean just the idea that you can 'accuse' anyone of it implies there's something wrong with it.\nI mean, to me that's easier to hand-wave the idea that there's something wrong with it since I've had enough lived experience to know it doesn't matter. However, I feel like there's probably a lot of people out there who haven't who are still really hung up on it, particularly young people. I know I already brought up homosexuality, but it reminds me of when people use to say you shouldn't call things gay because it puts a negative connotation on homosexuality. Speaking of that, there's that phrase, \"It gets better,\" that is used to comfort/console LGTBQ youths and I think it should be applied to body-image issues too--whether that be penis size, breast size, weight, whatever. Looking back on my life, it was definitely the insecurities that negatively effected me far more than my actual size ever did. \nBut yeah I also feel like there's kind of a lot of people just trying to paint this as her being caught being a hypocrite or something, and I agree with you that I especially hate it when men frame it as some kind of, \"Oh look, see, we're oppressed too. So much for feminism!\" kind of argument.\nI guess I just see both sides of it."
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"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult.",
">\n\nIt's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh.",
">\n\nHonestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV",
">\n\nPeople can make mistakes and this was one of them.. so we can all just criticize her reply fairly and move on. No need for acute mental gymnastics to defend her as this comments section is showing lmao.",
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">\n\nI don't think anyone is arguing it's not offensive. I'm pretty sure she was trying to offend insecure men. Apparently with great success.",
">\n\nShe was trying to offend men who were insecure about their body image?\nHow is that not body shaming?",
">\n\nIt is, but we playing the avoidance and rationalization game",
">\n\nbecause women invented \"small dick energy\"\nharsh, sad. but we go jim🗿",
">\n\nOP never mentioned women tho. Post is strictly about why it's offensive. Do you disagree that it's not offensive or you think it's a trivial matter to make fun of that men's mental health doesn't matter as much?",
">\n\nThe female equivalent is\n\"Loose Pussy Energy\".\nThe typical man-hate hypocrisy commonly going around is beyond obvious. And it is an attack on All men and boys not just some.",
">\n\nNot a disagreement per se, but also worth noting that it’s transphobic. Which is to say, it insults all men by reinforcing patriarchy and punching down to two groups of men.",
">\n\nShe said small dick energy. Not that he had a small dick (though, come on). She used that phrase BECAUSE it's Tate. She's not a moron.\nHe is, as evidenced by his life to this point and his two responses to Thunberg, which were epically pathetic, is a moron and didn't seem to get it, though he doesn't get a lot.",
">\n\nThis is worse than saying he has a small dick, because how would she know, and that would just be dismissed as stupid.\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\nI can't understand the mental gymnastics some people are doing to try and say this isn't body shaming.",
">\n\n\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\n\nI mean yeah -- kind of like how pussy is an insult denoting cowardice, cunt is an insult meaning basically, terrible, etc., \nShe used that on purpose. Are you making CMV every time you see someone calling someone else a pussy?",
">\n\nPussy is kind of already known to be a shitty gendered insult so it doesn't need a CMV. In this case, Greta's gendered \"having a small penis is bad\" tweet is massively amplified, reached r/all on a shitload of subs, etc. so some discussion about whether or not that is cool is warranted",
">\n\nSmall dick energy isn’t about having a small dick tho. It’s a reflection of an attitude that men who are offensive, aggressive, nasty to people are overcompensating for their insecurities. A small dick doesn’t mean you won’t be able to find a partner or that you’re any less of a man. Being a downright trash bag of a human to others, like in this instance where an internet edgelord is cyber bullying a teenager on the internet who is fighting for the survival of our planet/humanity is an example of this trash behavior, is more of a determining factor. \nYou can also have a small dick but have big dick energy, as it’s reflective of who you are as a person. It’s an attitude. It’s who you choose to be to yourself and others. Hell, there’s women who use the term that they have big dick energy and I can tell you those women’s dicks are none existent so therefore size isn’t a thing. \nNo one should be made fun of for something they had no control over. The worth of a man is not tied to the size of his penis. Although, toxic masculinity and shallow people will tell you different. They say the same for disabled people, fat people etc. There’s plenty of people who are not “conventional standards of beauty” which is the majority of us, that lead happy, healthy relationships. Those relationships start with yourself and understanding your worth as a person isn’t tied to what you look like or how big your junk is. \nThe point is if you choose to be a trash person like Tate, where your self worth is tied into how cruel/offensive you can be to other people, don’t be mad if people call you out for that trashy attitude. Your post definitely reeks of “men are the true victims” when clearly you didn’t seem to have a problem with a grown man cyber bullying a teenager.",
">\n\nI like how you imply that OP is a fan of a literal human trafficker because they point out that a body-shaming insult is body-shaming. Do you understand why associating a trait of someone's body with negative personality traits is bad?",
">\n\nNo because people like this always have exceptions that allow them to use the things they complain about. Cognitive gymnastics allows them to recognise shaming women and people of colour is bad, because society will eat them otherwise, but when someone shows up who deserves a bit of a roasting all of their social etiquette rules go out the window and the excuses come out as to why in this context it doesn't count.\n\"Ahh no, here it is a reflection of an attitude\" blah blah 3 paragraphs later and we've clouded over the simple fact that body shaming is body shaming and harms people you weren't intending to insult.",
">\n\nPeople like this? You’re assuming things about me because I am a character in your mind not a real person. I am not a monolith. We should not be body shaming people. I am explaining the other side of this issue and why people use these terms. You never asked if I use these same terms in my life. You assumed I do. I don’t. You didn’t even bother to read my response because if you did you would have realized this.",
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">\n\nYou can have smol pp but big pp energy and vice versa",
">\n\nSo why is the phrase small dick energy if it has nothing to do with having a small dick?",
">\n\nIdk man, I just work here.",
">\n\nYou know why. Lol cause small dick is associated with bad. And by insulting dicks you use this knowledge to offend, at the cost of body shaming people. \nStop feigning dumb just to avoid the reasoning lol",
">\n\nI can see how it would be offensive, and I wouldn’t use it myself. I feel like the phrase refers more to how someone acts as opposed to how they are endowed. And how it’s behavior and actions that make people think down of you not your penis.",
">\n\nPoint is that we, as a society, should encourage better insults that attack the comments of the person without necessarily having to equate it to something someone with a small dick.",
">\n\nWould you agree with me, that if Andrew clapped back with one of those that the internet would be up in arms about it?",
">\n\nYou mean the way that you are, here, on the internet, up in arms?",
">\n\nIm one person on reddit, theres no major backlash like there would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\nSee, what's happening here is that you are also looking at people who are \"one person on Reddit\" and pretending it's a major backlash. Andrew Tate says fucked up things about women all the time (in fact, it's kind of his whole schtick) and it's as much of a non-event as this is.",
">\n\nPlease link me to something fucked up hes said about women, and ill agree with you, two wrongs don't make a right.",
">\n\nHere's exhibit A.",
">\n\nSure I agree with you he has said fucked up stuff about women, it doesn't mean its okay to make a joke about small dick energy.\nDo you understand my point?",
">\n\nWe understand, it's just that your point is fucking stupid",
">\n\nYou have no idea what his point is, it's funny that people on this thread OP and others actually like Andrew Tate.\nIt proves that everyone is completely frothingly tribalistic with zero nuance.",
">\n\nIf someone is behaving insufferably, people are going to laugh at them for things that they wouldn’t find funny if it happened to someone they liked.\nFor example, is it funny when people go bankrupt? No. Would it be funny if someone like Andrew Tate went bankrupt after boasting about Bugattis and all of his mass wealth? Yes. This doesn’t mean people who would make fun of him for that are making fun of poverty or all people who lose their livelihoods, it would just be funny if it happened to that particular person. \nIn the same way, the idea that Tate does all the douchey, over the top macho things that he does in order to compensate for having a small penis is funny, whilst it not being funny to make fun of every person who has a small penis.",
">\n\nSubstitute fat. Is that ok?",
">\n\nDepends on what the fat person is doing. If the person is minding their own business then no, if the fat person is attacking other people’s appearances then yeah go for it.",
">\n\nInteresting take. Might want to play with that a bit. A lot of situations where your reasoning falls apart.",
">\n\nPeople insulted Trump for being fat when he tried to say he was like the most fit person ever. People make fun of Elon Musk's body. You can make the same type of insult to two different people and it come off two different ways. \nWhen you make your identity or argument around something it opens up certain insults and comebacks. \nTate's whole thing is trying to act like this \"alpha male\" when in reality he's a sex trafficking weirdo who pays women to hang out with him. It's totally fine to insult him with a childish insult. \nI also find that people worried or mad about this don't actually care about body image issues. They just want a gotcha moment for people. Because many would have shitty takes about fat people or whine about pc culture.",
">\n\nWhen you call some MF that doesn't necessarily mean you are a MF... I'm not saying it's okay to say abusing words but we still do use them.\nI don't think she said it in literal terms, it was completely literary. Also she only said it cause it was Tate who she said it to. Also if a woman has small tits and someone said to someone else that they have small tits energy, I don't think one who actually has small tits would mind it, cause she is not involved and it's kinda perfect way of irritating Tate.. cause he really cares about these things. \nWhen it comes to increasing the insecurity of someone who actually has small D and is insecure about it... She couldn't think so far cause all she wanted was to irritate Tate and she was successful",
">\n\nI don't think it even irritated him if that was her goal but definitely helped him with popularity. It just proves what he says people think of insecure men, it just moves them to him and he gains more influence. It was an ignorant reply in poor taste. Someone with much following and influence as Greta shouldn't be as irresponsible and the followers shouldn't be having to do mental gymnastics to defend her instead of seeing it as it is: body shaming against men.",
">\n\nIs this some kind of weird meta-game? Are Andrew Tate fans pretending to actually be offended by this stupid insult to prove a point? Does anybody actually think her retort was any sharper than a brick wrapped in a wet blanket?\nWhat is going on here?!",
">\n\n\nWhat is going on here?!\n\nAndrew Tate fans have a lot of small dick energy. That's whats going on.",
">\n\nWhy are people not allowed dislike tate (he's an absolute idiot and a grifter) and also to criticize obvious body shaming from a supposed progressive? If Biden started talking about \"N*gger energy\" criticizing Kanye for antisemitism, would that be ok in your eyes? Would you say that a black guy who doesn't like that must be an angry Kanye fan? Or is it disgustingly offensive towards all African Americans to use that type of language no matter what?",
">\n\nBecause it suits their narrative to frame it as if people are just defending tate. It's easier than just actually defending body shaming. Done deal.",
">\n\nI think Greta used that phrase not because she actually believes or wants to promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior, but because people like Andrew Tate believe and promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior. If Andrew Tate gets hurt because Greta says he has small dick energy, then maybe -- just maybe, with the tiniest bit of introspection -- he'll come to realize how hateful some of his language is.\nBullies like Andrew Tate don't really respond to logic or pleas for sympathy. The only way to maybe make them understand the hurt they cause is to inflict it on them, because they don't care about anyone but themselves. \nSo instead of putting the cart before the horse and blaming Greta for using an offensive phrase as an argumentative tactic, maybe blame the people who use the phrase to actually demean people.",
">\n\nCan we substitute fat instead and be justified?",
">\n\nYes people did that with Trump when he claimed to be the fittest person ever basically. If someone has a habit of insulting people a certain way or making certain claims then they open themselves up to specific insults. \nSometimes we'd find those insults not tasteful if said to other people. But I feel like most people equating this to fat insults don't actually care about fat people. A lot of people would also be like oh things are getting too pc or soft or woke when it comes to body positivity towards fat people. So for me it's hard to buy this line of reasoning as being truly valid or caring.",
">\n\nNo one said it has to be authentic caring. This sub is for exploring the intellectual arguments. Your perception of how authentic someone’s feelings towards fat people is basically irrelevant. Argue the point or don’t. Passing your authenticity test is a wierd standard to try to argue for.",
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">\n\nYes, making insults is offensive. That's the point.\nInsults that reference a body part are also offensive to people who are insecure about that body part. That's also kinda obvious.\nWhat do you want your mind changed about here? I'm unclear about what you think can be discussed about an insult meant to be insulting. Are you arguing that this insult is especially wrong in some way?\nHow is this not just you soapboxing?",
">\n\nThere's a reason as a society we don't use insults like \"retard\". This is in the same vein. You're attributing a negative thing with a man having a small penis. This is harmful as it perpetuates the stigma surrounding penis size which is outside ones control. Essentially it degrades a group of people who have nothing to do with it. OP wants to know whether or not this is reconciled. Reading the comments... It has not been. \nMaking gendered insults doesn't bother me truthfully but I can understand the frustration OP is expressing because were it to be a man making some edgy reference to a woman's lady parts being inadequate as a way to demean them then everyone would be outraged as opposed to cheering it on.",
">\n\nUsing “small dick” as an insult, or “loose pussy” isn’t really offensive unless you are insecure about the physical viability of your reproductive organs. \nBut, that doesn’t make it funny. It’s a really juvenile and uncreative way of ridiculing someone.",
">\n\nInsecure women are offended when they're fat shamed.\nIt's still body shaming.\nIt's still wrong.",
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">\n\nGuy randomly decides to flex on her by saying I HAVE CARS AND I LIKE TO GO VROOOOM. It's like when Piers decides that it's absolutely important to eat meat in front of vegans. It's not about penis size. It's just that smalldickenergy is a perfect explanation of why would someone decide to behave like this.",
">\n\nShe is 19. Maybe in a few years she will have more mature insults. It’s a lot of pressure to be put on someone so young to also say the perfect thing all the time",
">\n\nUnder nearly all circumstances, I agree with you.\nHowever, for a lot of people who have built a cult of personality around any given ideal, insults of the inoffensive type are completely commonplace. All they have to do is fend off one or two instances of this PG rated attacks, strawman them, call them snowflakes, and their following is bolstered and enhanced. Instead of having any negative effect, it becomes part of their inherent power.\nSometimes if you want to rattle a cult leader you have to hit with precision their most critical weakness and watch them implode. The fact that Tate is squirming so hard and doing everything he can to reclaim some of his dignity after Greta's clapback means that she has his number. Great isn't saying that having a small dick is bad, but knowing that Tate's entire personality is built about being an alpha male and that calling into question the size of his member will hurt him the most is what she was after. \nOf course, it wasn't classy and could be offensive to some. But as the saying goes, sometimes you have to fight fire with fire.",
">\n\nReally is he squirming? \nHe's rich he's popular and now he's gotten someone he disagrees with to repeat his ideology and platform spreading it to a wider audience. \nI'd argue he's happy for the attention and popularity that she's given to him now and enjoying the increased sales in his business as more men who feel marginalized and left out join him seeing this hypocrisy playing out. Not to mention all the political players( internationally) who were against climate action seeing all this and aligning themselves appropriately, possibly propping him up and making him something more than what he actually is- An ignorant troll. \nEngage with a troll and you only give them more power. The tweet was dumb and people should know better.\nEdit: spacing",
">\n\nI'm not commenting on whether or not his fans will like him more or if the controversy will inadvertently grant him a wider audience. \nI'm commenting that Greta knew exactly where and how to hit him the hardest. Yes, he is definitely squirming. He has scrambled out half a dozen prepubescent \"I know you are but what am I\" tweets. Then he went and made the absolute cringiest response video. He's incensed by being talked down to by Greta and is overcompensating. \nDid her tweet have any net positive effect on society? No. Did it ruffle Tate's feathers and make his blood boil? Yea. Would he have even cared if she called him a misogynistic prick? Absolutely not. He would have just told her to sit down and shut up, that misogyny is made up by inferior women blah blah blah...\nInstead, his insecurities are eating him alive.",
">\n\nWhy even respond and give him attention that he so desperately craves? And why body shame men in the process? \nIf she didn't have a better insult she could have just went on with her life instead of helping him grow. Using \"small dick energy\" as an insult means implicitly we agree that people with small penises are inferior and undesirable. That's basically what Tate is on about ( Toxic masculinity). And by laughing at her tweet we all reinforce that perception. Do you get that? \nSick of double standards and hypocrisy. At least people should have the courage to own up and acknowledge it then move on instead of doubling down and performing mental gymnastics to justify an obvious case of body shaming.\nI agree with you on one thing that the net effect on society because of this tweet exchange is negative and only serves the people who Greta and her followers hate.",
">\n\nI think you are missing what I am saying. I fully agree that it wasn't necessary nor was it the right thing for Greta to do. I also agree that it just gives him attention and was overall a useless venture other for the entertainment of Tate haters.\nOP asked why it is okay. I stated that it isn't okay but that I understand why Greta took that road rather than the suggested non-offensive approach. It is because he's immune to it. What he isn't immune to is his masculinity and ego being questioned. What is the point of the Wolf continuing to blow on the brick house? None. To get to the scared little piggies inside he needs a jackhammer. \nAnd it worked exactly how she planned it to. He was rattled and anyone who hates Tate is amused. \nNot saying it's the right thing to do, nor do I want anyone to feel ashamed of the size of their penis.",
">\n\nOk.. thanks for elaborating on that. I misunderstood your comment as a disagreement and engaged to try and change your mind but seems we share the same view.",
">\n\nYou do not know what Greta is \"fully aware\" of. She is referring to character and behaviour, why are you taking this personally? She isn't speaking to you, hasn't seen you, doesn't know you. I don't know why you are externalizing your issue like this and waving it around in public, is it our responsibility to fix this for you?\nShe was just making a tiny joke. Relax. smalldickenergy @ getalife .com is hilarious.",
">\n\nAside from everything else, it's men who started the 'big dick energy' idiocy so to then complain when someone uses their own stupidity against them...",
">\n\nYeah because men are a monolith and we all meet in a room and know each other smh.",
">\n\nThey’re saying it’s offensive to more than just Andrew Tate",
">\n\nYeah but again, ISN'T THE PURPOSE",
">\n\nWhat do you mean again? You didn’t say that before. And why does the purpose matter? You can do a bad thing without meaning to.",
">\n\nI meant to say isn't that the purpose lol mb",
">\n\nOh lol I probably should have realized that. But I think the point of the insult was to offend Andrew Tate.",
">\n\nFair. Trying to not say anything about him one way or another so I don't get downvoted to hell.",
">\n\nGreta lost that argument. She literally has like a hundred things Tate has said and done she could attack. Easy target... The one thing she chose to do is to body shame the man. It's just name calling. It's not a refutation of Tate. If anything it makes her sound stupid for her inability to come up with a refutation.",
">\n\nExactly. But people are just cheering her on and laughing along without grasping the nuance of the situation.",
">\n\nI think you are kinda missing the point. People know it offensive. The issue is that they don't care.",
">\n\nPeople used to make fun of small tits all the time. Remember the 90s? Remember the itty bitty titty committee? I don't know if that's a thing any more, but skinny women with no butts are definitely not seen as attractive. It's not fair. It's not their fault. People need to stop shaming themselves and eachother, and accept all bodies. Until then, \"small dick energy\" won't cease to be an insult. I guess the difference is people are sort of \"punching up\" since it's always been people with dicks who have the power in this world. I've never heard a dude say that another dude has \"small dick energy.\" It's always a woman saying that. Either way I think it's dumb but I get it. I've always thought \"Karen\" was a dumb insult too. Not someone's fault they were named Karen, LOL.",
">\n\nAndrew insulted her. He was asking for this insult. She was totally in the right. She wasn’t trying to shame anyone else. You’re asking for this insult too.",
">\n\nIsn't it more offensive for small pp folk, that there is a guy who base his entire existence on top of an argument that being an alpha, prime male is the most important thing in the world, and you need to be a testosterone bomb gorilla to have any kind of value. Isn't that argument disregards small dick guys in the first place?",
">\n\nAnd Greta just reinforced it with her reply. Do you see the problem now?\nEdit:replaced \"comment\" with \"reply\"",
">\n\nI believe I've already made a statement about what the problem is.",
">\n\nThen do you understand why Greta's reply is offensive and playing into Andrew Tate's hands?",
">\n\nLol this is twitter. There is no playing into each other's hands. Get outside.",
">\n\nOh look. Greta is human. Someone who spent a lot of her growing up time trying to educate people.\nIf she was in a bar and some doofus made a pass, she's just asserting herself. Age and context. Good on her.",
">\n\nIt is actually been studied. Men with small penises actually do have less energy- testosterone or something.",
">\n\nBeing offended by anything is each person's individual choice. If something is offensive to you, then simply choose to not be offended by it. It's truly that simple.",
">\n\nSo there is no such thing as hate speech?",
">\n\nNo, I didn't say that. Someone can certainly say something to someone that they hate with words that they feel will harm them mentally. That is \"hate speech\". The point I was trying to make is that we all as individuals have the choice to react to whatever someone says in whatever way we choose to react. If I feel offended by something that someone is saying, it is my choice to be offended by it.",
">\n\nI pretty much agree, but now we come to who decides. Does the person doing the talking decide whether it is hate speech? Or the person being talked at?",
">\n\nThere is no decision. The person who is talking thinks that what they are saying is not hateful, or they do. The person being talked at thinks that what the other person is saying is hateful, or they don't. The point is that it only matters if you make it matter to you. For example, if I say you are the dumbest person on earth, am I committing the crime of hate speech? Are you the dumbest person on earth? Probably not. But maybe I believe that you are. Does that make it true? If so, then it's not hate speech it's the truth...to me. If you, personally, believe that you are not the dumbest person on earth, then why would you concern yourself with what my dumbass has to say? To you, I'm the dumbest person on earth. I hope I'm getting my point across here.",
">\n\nSo we agree then? No laws regarding hate speech at all. You just ignore it and move on.",
">\n\nYes, sir.",
">\n\nYup",
">\n\nWhat if I say that I am offended that you are offended that you say \"small dick energy\" is offensive to men that are insecure about their size? Say I'm a man with a huge, massive dong. Say it's been a huge issue for me all my life. Let's say, hypothetically, that I am hugely insecure about the massive size of my dong and it's given me problems all my life. Every time I, hypothetically, go for a jog it's constantly flopping all over the place chaffing up my leg. Every time I have sex it's always this huge issue and only like half of the thing can go in before the receiver is like \"oh my god, stop, that's too much!\" Every time I receive oral sex, anything more than an inch beyond the tip causes a gag reflex. Does that sound exciting to you? Here you are bragging about your completely normal sized penis and all your normal sized penis sex and here this hypothetical person with a huge massive dong has all these issues. I can see how a hypothetical person with this debilitating issue would take offense that you take offense.",
">\n\nShe's an edgelord",
">\n\nreddit",
">\n\nSounds like a skill issue",
">\n\nDo you really get that offended? It's not like males themselves haven't sexualized females and their bodies and have said even worse and more common things about them? But we get offended over sum small? pun intended",
">\n\n“Some males have sexualized females therefore it’s fine for society to make fun of penis size.”",
">\n\nSociety? I don't see everyone (which represents society) doing it 😂 maybe you are focusing too much on negativity and that's all you see",
">\n\nSaying “small dick energy” is inherently a negative thing because it’s an insult. It also implies that there’s something bad about less endowed people because Tate is being compared to that demographic. \nWhen I say society, I mean that a decent percentage of people have “____ dick energy” built into their vocabulary to the point where the meaning of these terms is widely agreed on and it loses it’s direct connection to the penis. This doesn’t mean that the term is appropriate to use though since it originated from actual body shaming.",
">\n\nBattle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.",
">\n\nI think you should consider the situation at hand and less the use of insults as an absolute \nAndrew Tate absolutely deserves it",
">\n\nthe post its about the insult. \n\"Yeah I called this person a N... but lets focus on how bad that person is!!\"\nThe insult not only its very inflammatory (shows patriarcal estigmas,Its body shaming, reinforces toxic masculinity)\nIts also an extremely weak answer, its a groundless ad hominem. I would dare to argue the insult talks more about breta and his internalized toxic patriarcal estigmas than anything against tate.",
">\n\nGreta didn't start this. He was harassing her.",
">\n\n\"He started it\" -That's a toddler's excuse lmao",
">\n\nSo, in your opinion, Greta would have insulted him whether he had harassed her first, or not?",
">\n\nHer insulting him isn't the problem here. Its how she insulted him that's problematic.",
">\n\nWell, if he didn't want to be insulted, he could've done pretty much anything else with his time. I love the way you think people should be able to gatekeep how other people should hurt the feelings of people who are harassing them.",
">\n\nI'm not defending him or saying his feelings are hurt or that he doesn't deserve the insult. You're completely missing the point of this post and what we've been discussing. \n\"Body shaming is acceptable when it's directed at people we don't like\"- this is the hypocrisy that's being pointed out. It's not about who's better Tate or Greta but it's the bigger issue of shaming men's insecurities without any regard to their mental health. Do you get it now?",
">\n\nI think I do. It hadn't occurred to me that you might have a small penis. My apologies. Perhaps just as Greta Thurnberg travels the world as an advocate for awareness of Climate Change, you can break down the stereotype that people with small penises have energy. You should probably do as little as possible, though, since you don't want to be accused of having \"energy.\"",
">\n\nWasted my time replying after your \"he started it\" comment smh. Toddler mentality gugu gaga talk to me after you understand the issue.\nEdit: issue",
">\n\nI'm sorry about your peepee. But you have taught me not to trust stereotypes. And learning is fundamental.",
">\n\nI almost forgot. Please don't use the word toddler. It's offensive to small children.",
">\n\nFirst of all \"small dick energy\" shames the energy, not the small dick. It shames the fact to be insecure by your dick size (which is a metaphor for being insecure about your masculinity in general) and overcompensate by doing big manly stuff. It doesn't shame the fact to have a small dick.\nYou can argue that it is as bad, but it's important to understand that.",
">\n\nDon't be a cunt mate.",
">\n\nTechnically yes its body shaming but it's not that big a deal I think",
">\n\nIt has more to do with how they're acting rather than actual anatomy size.",
">\n\ncouple things: small dicks is one of the things about men that men tend to care about to an obsessive degree, that women do to a way lesser degree but pretend to, because men typically like to have a very braggadocious and obnoxious attitude about everything. this tate guy is that to the nth degree. so i mean if anyone deserves being called \"SDE\" its this tate guy \nsecond thing is that people who genuinely do have small dicks don't own that they have what they do; they lie about it. people who really do own that they have small dicks aren't made fun of for having them, because its not funny; the whole point is that you're lying about it and pretending like you're some big shot stud asshole, when you're not. if you own that you have a small dick, then ironically, you don't have \"SDE\"; you own what you have, you're not overcompensating and pretending to be something you're not. \nso if greta thunburg was to call, say, howard stern \"SDE\", a dude who owns that he has a small dick and makes fun of himself for it, then it wouldn't be funny. and howard stern even IS a braggadocious asshole. andrew tate is just wayyyyy more of one, and he pretend like he's god's gift to women. \nin general when it comes to \"oh poor men won't anybody think of the men\" i just cringe. i'm not the most liberal guy. but conservative guys just reappropriating the oppression olympics self-victimization shit and applying it to themselves is just pathetic.",
">\n\nSmall dick guy here... I always felt like guys like Howard Stern were compensating for it by self-loathing comedy. That's a big thing comedians do in general, and so to me it's always hard to say a guy truly doesn't care about it just because he's joking about it. On the other hand, maybe I'm just projecting, because I'll poke fun at my tiny pecker and not really care if someone makes fun of me for it, but it also does truly bother me a little bit when I hear things like, \"Oh that guy is an asshole, he must be mad because he has a tiny dick.\" Like... As if all us small guys are just furious that we aren't gonna win the dick-measuring contest that we let it affect our daily lives. It's a matter of extremes I think. I'm sure there's some guys with small ones that genuinely don't give a single fuck, and others who let it influence their entire lives, but I think most men with a small wang living in a society which implies that's a bad thing are going to end up somewhere in the middle of the scale.\nThe people I really feel bad for are the young people. Growing up with a small dick is a million times harder than being an adult with one. For the most part, nobody really cares if you're a grown man that's small, but when you're a teenager you feel like everybody cares. I had a really hard time wanting to pursue girls because of it, always worried about what their reaction would be, is they'd tell their girlfriends and it would get back to the other guys, etc. And that DOES happen... I remember being at the lunch table and someone saying, 'Did you hear Mike's dick is only x inches?\" and I'd be sitting there like, an inch shorter than Mike and pretending that I found it as funny as everyone else around the table. It didn't really hit me until I was much older that I probably wasn't the only one at the table doing that. Plus I always thought it was weird like, at least that was evidence \"Mike\" was getting some, why should he care if it was small? It wasn't until I got over it and had a few flings and girlfriends that I realized it made such a little difference (pun intended) than what I had built it up to in my mind.\nSo I mean... Yeah, I think some guys do truly have small dick energy, but all that means is they're insecure and I think it kind of sucks that people don't think about the feelings of people who had no part of the fight who get their feelings hurt as collateral damage, and that somehow just because of the douche the insult was leveled at we go, \"Haha you feel insecure about your body!\"\nOne thing it makes me think about that I'm guilty of is calling guys closet-cases. Yeah, I am just trying to point out they're overcompensating about things because they are ashamed of their sexuality, but I don't really take a pause and think, \"Wow, I bet that makes the people actually in the closet feel like shit.\" In some ways, I think it's even worse than just simple body shaming that as a society we're going around making fun of people for issues that could very well be deep seeded mental health issues, or could become so.",
">\n\nidk i just think that the only people being accused of having small dicks are people who are so obnoxious that it feels like they're compensating, like this guy. so sure its \"body shaming\", but a) body shaming is just something that happens that idk if we can ever really do anything about, because human beings value different body parts differently, and b) its only really shaming people because of their behavior, not their bodies. its shaming their behavior, by implying something about their bodies that would be embarrassing particularly for a person who is displaying this behavior, like tate does, because somebody that obsessed with getting chicks would probably be extremely concerned if people thought he had a small dick.",
">\n\nYeah that's the thing though, for me it really bothers me more that people think I'm going around being an asshole, driving a huge truck or otherwise trying to compensate just because my dick is small. I can also see the idea that it implies that having a small dick is bad. I mean just the idea that you can 'accuse' anyone of it implies there's something wrong with it.\nI mean, to me that's easier to hand-wave the idea that there's something wrong with it since I've had enough lived experience to know it doesn't matter. However, I feel like there's probably a lot of people out there who haven't who are still really hung up on it, particularly young people. I know I already brought up homosexuality, but it reminds me of when people use to say you shouldn't call things gay because it puts a negative connotation on homosexuality. Speaking of that, there's that phrase, \"It gets better,\" that is used to comfort/console LGTBQ youths and I think it should be applied to body-image issues too--whether that be penis size, breast size, weight, whatever. Looking back on my life, it was definitely the insecurities that negatively effected me far more than my actual size ever did. \nBut yeah I also feel like there's kind of a lot of people just trying to paint this as her being caught being a hypocrite or something, and I agree with you that I especially hate it when men frame it as some kind of, \"Oh look, see, we're oppressed too. So much for feminism!\" kind of argument.\nI guess I just see both sides of it.",
">\n\nVery well put. I honestly think you have changed some minds today. Hopefully more people stop and think before blindly defending someone they look up to."
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"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult.",
">\n\nIt's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh.",
">\n\nHonestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV",
">\n\nPeople can make mistakes and this was one of them.. so we can all just criticize her reply fairly and move on. No need for acute mental gymnastics to defend her as this comments section is showing lmao.",
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">\n\nI don't think anyone is arguing it's not offensive. I'm pretty sure she was trying to offend insecure men. Apparently with great success.",
">\n\nShe was trying to offend men who were insecure about their body image?\nHow is that not body shaming?",
">\n\nIt is, but we playing the avoidance and rationalization game",
">\n\nbecause women invented \"small dick energy\"\nharsh, sad. but we go jim🗿",
">\n\nOP never mentioned women tho. Post is strictly about why it's offensive. Do you disagree that it's not offensive or you think it's a trivial matter to make fun of that men's mental health doesn't matter as much?",
">\n\nThe female equivalent is\n\"Loose Pussy Energy\".\nThe typical man-hate hypocrisy commonly going around is beyond obvious. And it is an attack on All men and boys not just some.",
">\n\nNot a disagreement per se, but also worth noting that it’s transphobic. Which is to say, it insults all men by reinforcing patriarchy and punching down to two groups of men.",
">\n\nShe said small dick energy. Not that he had a small dick (though, come on). She used that phrase BECAUSE it's Tate. She's not a moron.\nHe is, as evidenced by his life to this point and his two responses to Thunberg, which were epically pathetic, is a moron and didn't seem to get it, though he doesn't get a lot.",
">\n\nThis is worse than saying he has a small dick, because how would she know, and that would just be dismissed as stupid.\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\nI can't understand the mental gymnastics some people are doing to try and say this isn't body shaming.",
">\n\n\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\n\nI mean yeah -- kind of like how pussy is an insult denoting cowardice, cunt is an insult meaning basically, terrible, etc., \nShe used that on purpose. Are you making CMV every time you see someone calling someone else a pussy?",
">\n\nPussy is kind of already known to be a shitty gendered insult so it doesn't need a CMV. In this case, Greta's gendered \"having a small penis is bad\" tweet is massively amplified, reached r/all on a shitload of subs, etc. so some discussion about whether or not that is cool is warranted",
">\n\nSmall dick energy isn’t about having a small dick tho. It’s a reflection of an attitude that men who are offensive, aggressive, nasty to people are overcompensating for their insecurities. A small dick doesn’t mean you won’t be able to find a partner or that you’re any less of a man. Being a downright trash bag of a human to others, like in this instance where an internet edgelord is cyber bullying a teenager on the internet who is fighting for the survival of our planet/humanity is an example of this trash behavior, is more of a determining factor. \nYou can also have a small dick but have big dick energy, as it’s reflective of who you are as a person. It’s an attitude. It’s who you choose to be to yourself and others. Hell, there’s women who use the term that they have big dick energy and I can tell you those women’s dicks are none existent so therefore size isn’t a thing. \nNo one should be made fun of for something they had no control over. The worth of a man is not tied to the size of his penis. Although, toxic masculinity and shallow people will tell you different. They say the same for disabled people, fat people etc. There’s plenty of people who are not “conventional standards of beauty” which is the majority of us, that lead happy, healthy relationships. Those relationships start with yourself and understanding your worth as a person isn’t tied to what you look like or how big your junk is. \nThe point is if you choose to be a trash person like Tate, where your self worth is tied into how cruel/offensive you can be to other people, don’t be mad if people call you out for that trashy attitude. Your post definitely reeks of “men are the true victims” when clearly you didn’t seem to have a problem with a grown man cyber bullying a teenager.",
">\n\nI like how you imply that OP is a fan of a literal human trafficker because they point out that a body-shaming insult is body-shaming. Do you understand why associating a trait of someone's body with negative personality traits is bad?",
">\n\nNo because people like this always have exceptions that allow them to use the things they complain about. Cognitive gymnastics allows them to recognise shaming women and people of colour is bad, because society will eat them otherwise, but when someone shows up who deserves a bit of a roasting all of their social etiquette rules go out the window and the excuses come out as to why in this context it doesn't count.\n\"Ahh no, here it is a reflection of an attitude\" blah blah 3 paragraphs later and we've clouded over the simple fact that body shaming is body shaming and harms people you weren't intending to insult.",
">\n\nPeople like this? You’re assuming things about me because I am a character in your mind not a real person. I am not a monolith. We should not be body shaming people. I am explaining the other side of this issue and why people use these terms. You never asked if I use these same terms in my life. You assumed I do. I don’t. You didn’t even bother to read my response because if you did you would have realized this.",
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">\n\nYou can have smol pp but big pp energy and vice versa",
">\n\nSo why is the phrase small dick energy if it has nothing to do with having a small dick?",
">\n\nIdk man, I just work here.",
">\n\nYou know why. Lol cause small dick is associated with bad. And by insulting dicks you use this knowledge to offend, at the cost of body shaming people. \nStop feigning dumb just to avoid the reasoning lol",
">\n\nI can see how it would be offensive, and I wouldn’t use it myself. I feel like the phrase refers more to how someone acts as opposed to how they are endowed. And how it’s behavior and actions that make people think down of you not your penis.",
">\n\nPoint is that we, as a society, should encourage better insults that attack the comments of the person without necessarily having to equate it to something someone with a small dick.",
">\n\nWould you agree with me, that if Andrew clapped back with one of those that the internet would be up in arms about it?",
">\n\nYou mean the way that you are, here, on the internet, up in arms?",
">\n\nIm one person on reddit, theres no major backlash like there would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\nSee, what's happening here is that you are also looking at people who are \"one person on Reddit\" and pretending it's a major backlash. Andrew Tate says fucked up things about women all the time (in fact, it's kind of his whole schtick) and it's as much of a non-event as this is.",
">\n\nPlease link me to something fucked up hes said about women, and ill agree with you, two wrongs don't make a right.",
">\n\nHere's exhibit A.",
">\n\nSure I agree with you he has said fucked up stuff about women, it doesn't mean its okay to make a joke about small dick energy.\nDo you understand my point?",
">\n\nWe understand, it's just that your point is fucking stupid",
">\n\nYou have no idea what his point is, it's funny that people on this thread OP and others actually like Andrew Tate.\nIt proves that everyone is completely frothingly tribalistic with zero nuance.",
">\n\nIf someone is behaving insufferably, people are going to laugh at them for things that they wouldn’t find funny if it happened to someone they liked.\nFor example, is it funny when people go bankrupt? No. Would it be funny if someone like Andrew Tate went bankrupt after boasting about Bugattis and all of his mass wealth? Yes. This doesn’t mean people who would make fun of him for that are making fun of poverty or all people who lose their livelihoods, it would just be funny if it happened to that particular person. \nIn the same way, the idea that Tate does all the douchey, over the top macho things that he does in order to compensate for having a small penis is funny, whilst it not being funny to make fun of every person who has a small penis.",
">\n\nSubstitute fat. Is that ok?",
">\n\nDepends on what the fat person is doing. If the person is minding their own business then no, if the fat person is attacking other people’s appearances then yeah go for it.",
">\n\nInteresting take. Might want to play with that a bit. A lot of situations where your reasoning falls apart.",
">\n\nPeople insulted Trump for being fat when he tried to say he was like the most fit person ever. People make fun of Elon Musk's body. You can make the same type of insult to two different people and it come off two different ways. \nWhen you make your identity or argument around something it opens up certain insults and comebacks. \nTate's whole thing is trying to act like this \"alpha male\" when in reality he's a sex trafficking weirdo who pays women to hang out with him. It's totally fine to insult him with a childish insult. \nI also find that people worried or mad about this don't actually care about body image issues. They just want a gotcha moment for people. Because many would have shitty takes about fat people or whine about pc culture.",
">\n\nWhen you call some MF that doesn't necessarily mean you are a MF... I'm not saying it's okay to say abusing words but we still do use them.\nI don't think she said it in literal terms, it was completely literary. Also she only said it cause it was Tate who she said it to. Also if a woman has small tits and someone said to someone else that they have small tits energy, I don't think one who actually has small tits would mind it, cause she is not involved and it's kinda perfect way of irritating Tate.. cause he really cares about these things. \nWhen it comes to increasing the insecurity of someone who actually has small D and is insecure about it... She couldn't think so far cause all she wanted was to irritate Tate and she was successful",
">\n\nI don't think it even irritated him if that was her goal but definitely helped him with popularity. It just proves what he says people think of insecure men, it just moves them to him and he gains more influence. It was an ignorant reply in poor taste. Someone with much following and influence as Greta shouldn't be as irresponsible and the followers shouldn't be having to do mental gymnastics to defend her instead of seeing it as it is: body shaming against men.",
">\n\nIs this some kind of weird meta-game? Are Andrew Tate fans pretending to actually be offended by this stupid insult to prove a point? Does anybody actually think her retort was any sharper than a brick wrapped in a wet blanket?\nWhat is going on here?!",
">\n\n\nWhat is going on here?!\n\nAndrew Tate fans have a lot of small dick energy. That's whats going on.",
">\n\nWhy are people not allowed dislike tate (he's an absolute idiot and a grifter) and also to criticize obvious body shaming from a supposed progressive? If Biden started talking about \"N*gger energy\" criticizing Kanye for antisemitism, would that be ok in your eyes? Would you say that a black guy who doesn't like that must be an angry Kanye fan? Or is it disgustingly offensive towards all African Americans to use that type of language no matter what?",
">\n\nBecause it suits their narrative to frame it as if people are just defending tate. It's easier than just actually defending body shaming. Done deal.",
">\n\nI think Greta used that phrase not because she actually believes or wants to promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior, but because people like Andrew Tate believe and promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior. If Andrew Tate gets hurt because Greta says he has small dick energy, then maybe -- just maybe, with the tiniest bit of introspection -- he'll come to realize how hateful some of his language is.\nBullies like Andrew Tate don't really respond to logic or pleas for sympathy. The only way to maybe make them understand the hurt they cause is to inflict it on them, because they don't care about anyone but themselves. \nSo instead of putting the cart before the horse and blaming Greta for using an offensive phrase as an argumentative tactic, maybe blame the people who use the phrase to actually demean people.",
">\n\nCan we substitute fat instead and be justified?",
">\n\nYes people did that with Trump when he claimed to be the fittest person ever basically. If someone has a habit of insulting people a certain way or making certain claims then they open themselves up to specific insults. \nSometimes we'd find those insults not tasteful if said to other people. But I feel like most people equating this to fat insults don't actually care about fat people. A lot of people would also be like oh things are getting too pc or soft or woke when it comes to body positivity towards fat people. So for me it's hard to buy this line of reasoning as being truly valid or caring.",
">\n\nNo one said it has to be authentic caring. This sub is for exploring the intellectual arguments. Your perception of how authentic someone’s feelings towards fat people is basically irrelevant. Argue the point or don’t. Passing your authenticity test is a wierd standard to try to argue for.",
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">\n\nYes, making insults is offensive. That's the point.\nInsults that reference a body part are also offensive to people who are insecure about that body part. That's also kinda obvious.\nWhat do you want your mind changed about here? I'm unclear about what you think can be discussed about an insult meant to be insulting. Are you arguing that this insult is especially wrong in some way?\nHow is this not just you soapboxing?",
">\n\nThere's a reason as a society we don't use insults like \"retard\". This is in the same vein. You're attributing a negative thing with a man having a small penis. This is harmful as it perpetuates the stigma surrounding penis size which is outside ones control. Essentially it degrades a group of people who have nothing to do with it. OP wants to know whether or not this is reconciled. Reading the comments... It has not been. \nMaking gendered insults doesn't bother me truthfully but I can understand the frustration OP is expressing because were it to be a man making some edgy reference to a woman's lady parts being inadequate as a way to demean them then everyone would be outraged as opposed to cheering it on.",
">\n\nUsing “small dick” as an insult, or “loose pussy” isn’t really offensive unless you are insecure about the physical viability of your reproductive organs. \nBut, that doesn’t make it funny. It’s a really juvenile and uncreative way of ridiculing someone.",
">\n\nInsecure women are offended when they're fat shamed.\nIt's still body shaming.\nIt's still wrong.",
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">\n\nGuy randomly decides to flex on her by saying I HAVE CARS AND I LIKE TO GO VROOOOM. It's like when Piers decides that it's absolutely important to eat meat in front of vegans. It's not about penis size. It's just that smalldickenergy is a perfect explanation of why would someone decide to behave like this.",
">\n\nShe is 19. Maybe in a few years she will have more mature insults. It’s a lot of pressure to be put on someone so young to also say the perfect thing all the time",
">\n\nUnder nearly all circumstances, I agree with you.\nHowever, for a lot of people who have built a cult of personality around any given ideal, insults of the inoffensive type are completely commonplace. All they have to do is fend off one or two instances of this PG rated attacks, strawman them, call them snowflakes, and their following is bolstered and enhanced. Instead of having any negative effect, it becomes part of their inherent power.\nSometimes if you want to rattle a cult leader you have to hit with precision their most critical weakness and watch them implode. The fact that Tate is squirming so hard and doing everything he can to reclaim some of his dignity after Greta's clapback means that she has his number. Great isn't saying that having a small dick is bad, but knowing that Tate's entire personality is built about being an alpha male and that calling into question the size of his member will hurt him the most is what she was after. \nOf course, it wasn't classy and could be offensive to some. But as the saying goes, sometimes you have to fight fire with fire.",
">\n\nReally is he squirming? \nHe's rich he's popular and now he's gotten someone he disagrees with to repeat his ideology and platform spreading it to a wider audience. \nI'd argue he's happy for the attention and popularity that she's given to him now and enjoying the increased sales in his business as more men who feel marginalized and left out join him seeing this hypocrisy playing out. Not to mention all the political players( internationally) who were against climate action seeing all this and aligning themselves appropriately, possibly propping him up and making him something more than what he actually is- An ignorant troll. \nEngage with a troll and you only give them more power. The tweet was dumb and people should know better.\nEdit: spacing",
">\n\nI'm not commenting on whether or not his fans will like him more or if the controversy will inadvertently grant him a wider audience. \nI'm commenting that Greta knew exactly where and how to hit him the hardest. Yes, he is definitely squirming. He has scrambled out half a dozen prepubescent \"I know you are but what am I\" tweets. Then he went and made the absolute cringiest response video. He's incensed by being talked down to by Greta and is overcompensating. \nDid her tweet have any net positive effect on society? No. Did it ruffle Tate's feathers and make his blood boil? Yea. Would he have even cared if she called him a misogynistic prick? Absolutely not. He would have just told her to sit down and shut up, that misogyny is made up by inferior women blah blah blah...\nInstead, his insecurities are eating him alive.",
">\n\nWhy even respond and give him attention that he so desperately craves? And why body shame men in the process? \nIf she didn't have a better insult she could have just went on with her life instead of helping him grow. Using \"small dick energy\" as an insult means implicitly we agree that people with small penises are inferior and undesirable. That's basically what Tate is on about ( Toxic masculinity). And by laughing at her tweet we all reinforce that perception. Do you get that? \nSick of double standards and hypocrisy. At least people should have the courage to own up and acknowledge it then move on instead of doubling down and performing mental gymnastics to justify an obvious case of body shaming.\nI agree with you on one thing that the net effect on society because of this tweet exchange is negative and only serves the people who Greta and her followers hate.",
">\n\nI think you are missing what I am saying. I fully agree that it wasn't necessary nor was it the right thing for Greta to do. I also agree that it just gives him attention and was overall a useless venture other for the entertainment of Tate haters.\nOP asked why it is okay. I stated that it isn't okay but that I understand why Greta took that road rather than the suggested non-offensive approach. It is because he's immune to it. What he isn't immune to is his masculinity and ego being questioned. What is the point of the Wolf continuing to blow on the brick house? None. To get to the scared little piggies inside he needs a jackhammer. \nAnd it worked exactly how she planned it to. He was rattled and anyone who hates Tate is amused. \nNot saying it's the right thing to do, nor do I want anyone to feel ashamed of the size of their penis.",
">\n\nOk.. thanks for elaborating on that. I misunderstood your comment as a disagreement and engaged to try and change your mind but seems we share the same view.",
">\n\nYou do not know what Greta is \"fully aware\" of. She is referring to character and behaviour, why are you taking this personally? She isn't speaking to you, hasn't seen you, doesn't know you. I don't know why you are externalizing your issue like this and waving it around in public, is it our responsibility to fix this for you?\nShe was just making a tiny joke. Relax. smalldickenergy @ getalife .com is hilarious.",
">\n\nAside from everything else, it's men who started the 'big dick energy' idiocy so to then complain when someone uses their own stupidity against them...",
">\n\nYeah because men are a monolith and we all meet in a room and know each other smh.",
">\n\nThey’re saying it’s offensive to more than just Andrew Tate",
">\n\nYeah but again, ISN'T THE PURPOSE",
">\n\nWhat do you mean again? You didn’t say that before. And why does the purpose matter? You can do a bad thing without meaning to.",
">\n\nI meant to say isn't that the purpose lol mb",
">\n\nOh lol I probably should have realized that. But I think the point of the insult was to offend Andrew Tate.",
">\n\nFair. Trying to not say anything about him one way or another so I don't get downvoted to hell.",
">\n\nGreta lost that argument. She literally has like a hundred things Tate has said and done she could attack. Easy target... The one thing she chose to do is to body shame the man. It's just name calling. It's not a refutation of Tate. If anything it makes her sound stupid for her inability to come up with a refutation.",
">\n\nExactly. But people are just cheering her on and laughing along without grasping the nuance of the situation.",
">\n\nI think you are kinda missing the point. People know it offensive. The issue is that they don't care.",
">\n\nPeople used to make fun of small tits all the time. Remember the 90s? Remember the itty bitty titty committee? I don't know if that's a thing any more, but skinny women with no butts are definitely not seen as attractive. It's not fair. It's not their fault. People need to stop shaming themselves and eachother, and accept all bodies. Until then, \"small dick energy\" won't cease to be an insult. I guess the difference is people are sort of \"punching up\" since it's always been people with dicks who have the power in this world. I've never heard a dude say that another dude has \"small dick energy.\" It's always a woman saying that. Either way I think it's dumb but I get it. I've always thought \"Karen\" was a dumb insult too. Not someone's fault they were named Karen, LOL.",
">\n\nAndrew insulted her. He was asking for this insult. She was totally in the right. She wasn’t trying to shame anyone else. You’re asking for this insult too.",
">\n\nIsn't it more offensive for small pp folk, that there is a guy who base his entire existence on top of an argument that being an alpha, prime male is the most important thing in the world, and you need to be a testosterone bomb gorilla to have any kind of value. Isn't that argument disregards small dick guys in the first place?",
">\n\nAnd Greta just reinforced it with her reply. Do you see the problem now?\nEdit:replaced \"comment\" with \"reply\"",
">\n\nI believe I've already made a statement about what the problem is.",
">\n\nThen do you understand why Greta's reply is offensive and playing into Andrew Tate's hands?",
">\n\nLol this is twitter. There is no playing into each other's hands. Get outside.",
">\n\nOh look. Greta is human. Someone who spent a lot of her growing up time trying to educate people.\nIf she was in a bar and some doofus made a pass, she's just asserting herself. Age and context. Good on her.",
">\n\nIt is actually been studied. Men with small penises actually do have less energy- testosterone or something.",
">\n\nBeing offended by anything is each person's individual choice. If something is offensive to you, then simply choose to not be offended by it. It's truly that simple.",
">\n\nSo there is no such thing as hate speech?",
">\n\nNo, I didn't say that. Someone can certainly say something to someone that they hate with words that they feel will harm them mentally. That is \"hate speech\". The point I was trying to make is that we all as individuals have the choice to react to whatever someone says in whatever way we choose to react. If I feel offended by something that someone is saying, it is my choice to be offended by it.",
">\n\nI pretty much agree, but now we come to who decides. Does the person doing the talking decide whether it is hate speech? Or the person being talked at?",
">\n\nThere is no decision. The person who is talking thinks that what they are saying is not hateful, or they do. The person being talked at thinks that what the other person is saying is hateful, or they don't. The point is that it only matters if you make it matter to you. For example, if I say you are the dumbest person on earth, am I committing the crime of hate speech? Are you the dumbest person on earth? Probably not. But maybe I believe that you are. Does that make it true? If so, then it's not hate speech it's the truth...to me. If you, personally, believe that you are not the dumbest person on earth, then why would you concern yourself with what my dumbass has to say? To you, I'm the dumbest person on earth. I hope I'm getting my point across here.",
">\n\nSo we agree then? No laws regarding hate speech at all. You just ignore it and move on.",
">\n\nYes, sir.",
">\n\nYup",
">\n\nWhat if I say that I am offended that you are offended that you say \"small dick energy\" is offensive to men that are insecure about their size? Say I'm a man with a huge, massive dong. Say it's been a huge issue for me all my life. Let's say, hypothetically, that I am hugely insecure about the massive size of my dong and it's given me problems all my life. Every time I, hypothetically, go for a jog it's constantly flopping all over the place chaffing up my leg. Every time I have sex it's always this huge issue and only like half of the thing can go in before the receiver is like \"oh my god, stop, that's too much!\" Every time I receive oral sex, anything more than an inch beyond the tip causes a gag reflex. Does that sound exciting to you? Here you are bragging about your completely normal sized penis and all your normal sized penis sex and here this hypothetical person with a huge massive dong has all these issues. I can see how a hypothetical person with this debilitating issue would take offense that you take offense.",
">\n\nShe's an edgelord",
">\n\nreddit",
">\n\nSounds like a skill issue",
">\n\nDo you really get that offended? It's not like males themselves haven't sexualized females and their bodies and have said even worse and more common things about them? But we get offended over sum small? pun intended",
">\n\n“Some males have sexualized females therefore it’s fine for society to make fun of penis size.”",
">\n\nSociety? I don't see everyone (which represents society) doing it 😂 maybe you are focusing too much on negativity and that's all you see",
">\n\nSaying “small dick energy” is inherently a negative thing because it’s an insult. It also implies that there’s something bad about less endowed people because Tate is being compared to that demographic. \nWhen I say society, I mean that a decent percentage of people have “____ dick energy” built into their vocabulary to the point where the meaning of these terms is widely agreed on and it loses it’s direct connection to the penis. This doesn’t mean that the term is appropriate to use though since it originated from actual body shaming.",
">\n\nBattle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.",
">\n\nI think you should consider the situation at hand and less the use of insults as an absolute \nAndrew Tate absolutely deserves it",
">\n\nthe post its about the insult. \n\"Yeah I called this person a N... but lets focus on how bad that person is!!\"\nThe insult not only its very inflammatory (shows patriarcal estigmas,Its body shaming, reinforces toxic masculinity)\nIts also an extremely weak answer, its a groundless ad hominem. I would dare to argue the insult talks more about breta and his internalized toxic patriarcal estigmas than anything against tate.",
">\n\nGreta didn't start this. He was harassing her.",
">\n\n\"He started it\" -That's a toddler's excuse lmao",
">\n\nSo, in your opinion, Greta would have insulted him whether he had harassed her first, or not?",
">\n\nHer insulting him isn't the problem here. Its how she insulted him that's problematic.",
">\n\nWell, if he didn't want to be insulted, he could've done pretty much anything else with his time. I love the way you think people should be able to gatekeep how other people should hurt the feelings of people who are harassing them.",
">\n\nI'm not defending him or saying his feelings are hurt or that he doesn't deserve the insult. You're completely missing the point of this post and what we've been discussing. \n\"Body shaming is acceptable when it's directed at people we don't like\"- this is the hypocrisy that's being pointed out. It's not about who's better Tate or Greta but it's the bigger issue of shaming men's insecurities without any regard to their mental health. Do you get it now?",
">\n\nI think I do. It hadn't occurred to me that you might have a small penis. My apologies. Perhaps just as Greta Thurnberg travels the world as an advocate for awareness of Climate Change, you can break down the stereotype that people with small penises have energy. You should probably do as little as possible, though, since you don't want to be accused of having \"energy.\"",
">\n\nWasted my time replying after your \"he started it\" comment smh. Toddler mentality gugu gaga talk to me after you understand the issue.\nEdit: issue",
">\n\nI'm sorry about your peepee. But you have taught me not to trust stereotypes. And learning is fundamental.",
">\n\nI almost forgot. Please don't use the word toddler. It's offensive to small children.",
">\n\nFirst of all \"small dick energy\" shames the energy, not the small dick. It shames the fact to be insecure by your dick size (which is a metaphor for being insecure about your masculinity in general) and overcompensate by doing big manly stuff. It doesn't shame the fact to have a small dick.\nYou can argue that it is as bad, but it's important to understand that.",
">\n\nDon't be a cunt mate.",
">\n\nTechnically yes its body shaming but it's not that big a deal I think",
">\n\nIt has more to do with how they're acting rather than actual anatomy size.",
">\n\ncouple things: small dicks is one of the things about men that men tend to care about to an obsessive degree, that women do to a way lesser degree but pretend to, because men typically like to have a very braggadocious and obnoxious attitude about everything. this tate guy is that to the nth degree. so i mean if anyone deserves being called \"SDE\" its this tate guy \nsecond thing is that people who genuinely do have small dicks don't own that they have what they do; they lie about it. people who really do own that they have small dicks aren't made fun of for having them, because its not funny; the whole point is that you're lying about it and pretending like you're some big shot stud asshole, when you're not. if you own that you have a small dick, then ironically, you don't have \"SDE\"; you own what you have, you're not overcompensating and pretending to be something you're not. \nso if greta thunburg was to call, say, howard stern \"SDE\", a dude who owns that he has a small dick and makes fun of himself for it, then it wouldn't be funny. and howard stern even IS a braggadocious asshole. andrew tate is just wayyyyy more of one, and he pretend like he's god's gift to women. \nin general when it comes to \"oh poor men won't anybody think of the men\" i just cringe. i'm not the most liberal guy. but conservative guys just reappropriating the oppression olympics self-victimization shit and applying it to themselves is just pathetic.",
">\n\nSmall dick guy here... I always felt like guys like Howard Stern were compensating for it by self-loathing comedy. That's a big thing comedians do in general, and so to me it's always hard to say a guy truly doesn't care about it just because he's joking about it. On the other hand, maybe I'm just projecting, because I'll poke fun at my tiny pecker and not really care if someone makes fun of me for it, but it also does truly bother me a little bit when I hear things like, \"Oh that guy is an asshole, he must be mad because he has a tiny dick.\" Like... As if all us small guys are just furious that we aren't gonna win the dick-measuring contest that we let it affect our daily lives. It's a matter of extremes I think. I'm sure there's some guys with small ones that genuinely don't give a single fuck, and others who let it influence their entire lives, but I think most men with a small wang living in a society which implies that's a bad thing are going to end up somewhere in the middle of the scale.\nThe people I really feel bad for are the young people. Growing up with a small dick is a million times harder than being an adult with one. For the most part, nobody really cares if you're a grown man that's small, but when you're a teenager you feel like everybody cares. I had a really hard time wanting to pursue girls because of it, always worried about what their reaction would be, is they'd tell their girlfriends and it would get back to the other guys, etc. And that DOES happen... I remember being at the lunch table and someone saying, 'Did you hear Mike's dick is only x inches?\" and I'd be sitting there like, an inch shorter than Mike and pretending that I found it as funny as everyone else around the table. It didn't really hit me until I was much older that I probably wasn't the only one at the table doing that. Plus I always thought it was weird like, at least that was evidence \"Mike\" was getting some, why should he care if it was small? It wasn't until I got over it and had a few flings and girlfriends that I realized it made such a little difference (pun intended) than what I had built it up to in my mind.\nSo I mean... Yeah, I think some guys do truly have small dick energy, but all that means is they're insecure and I think it kind of sucks that people don't think about the feelings of people who had no part of the fight who get their feelings hurt as collateral damage, and that somehow just because of the douche the insult was leveled at we go, \"Haha you feel insecure about your body!\"\nOne thing it makes me think about that I'm guilty of is calling guys closet-cases. Yeah, I am just trying to point out they're overcompensating about things because they are ashamed of their sexuality, but I don't really take a pause and think, \"Wow, I bet that makes the people actually in the closet feel like shit.\" In some ways, I think it's even worse than just simple body shaming that as a society we're going around making fun of people for issues that could very well be deep seeded mental health issues, or could become so.",
">\n\nidk i just think that the only people being accused of having small dicks are people who are so obnoxious that it feels like they're compensating, like this guy. so sure its \"body shaming\", but a) body shaming is just something that happens that idk if we can ever really do anything about, because human beings value different body parts differently, and b) its only really shaming people because of their behavior, not their bodies. its shaming their behavior, by implying something about their bodies that would be embarrassing particularly for a person who is displaying this behavior, like tate does, because somebody that obsessed with getting chicks would probably be extremely concerned if people thought he had a small dick.",
">\n\nYeah that's the thing though, for me it really bothers me more that people think I'm going around being an asshole, driving a huge truck or otherwise trying to compensate just because my dick is small. I can also see the idea that it implies that having a small dick is bad. I mean just the idea that you can 'accuse' anyone of it implies there's something wrong with it.\nI mean, to me that's easier to hand-wave the idea that there's something wrong with it since I've had enough lived experience to know it doesn't matter. However, I feel like there's probably a lot of people out there who haven't who are still really hung up on it, particularly young people. I know I already brought up homosexuality, but it reminds me of when people use to say you shouldn't call things gay because it puts a negative connotation on homosexuality. Speaking of that, there's that phrase, \"It gets better,\" that is used to comfort/console LGTBQ youths and I think it should be applied to body-image issues too--whether that be penis size, breast size, weight, whatever. Looking back on my life, it was definitely the insecurities that negatively effected me far more than my actual size ever did. \nBut yeah I also feel like there's kind of a lot of people just trying to paint this as her being caught being a hypocrite or something, and I agree with you that I especially hate it when men frame it as some kind of, \"Oh look, see, we're oppressed too. So much for feminism!\" kind of argument.\nI guess I just see both sides of it.",
">\n\nVery well put. I honestly think you have changed some minds today. Hopefully more people stop and think before blindly defending someone they look up to.",
">\n\nI have a small dick, it's fine"
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"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult.",
">\n\nIt's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh.",
">\n\nHonestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV",
">\n\nPeople can make mistakes and this was one of them.. so we can all just criticize her reply fairly and move on. No need for acute mental gymnastics to defend her as this comments section is showing lmao.",
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">\n\nI don't think anyone is arguing it's not offensive. I'm pretty sure she was trying to offend insecure men. Apparently with great success.",
">\n\nShe was trying to offend men who were insecure about their body image?\nHow is that not body shaming?",
">\n\nIt is, but we playing the avoidance and rationalization game",
">\n\nbecause women invented \"small dick energy\"\nharsh, sad. but we go jim🗿",
">\n\nOP never mentioned women tho. Post is strictly about why it's offensive. Do you disagree that it's not offensive or you think it's a trivial matter to make fun of that men's mental health doesn't matter as much?",
">\n\nThe female equivalent is\n\"Loose Pussy Energy\".\nThe typical man-hate hypocrisy commonly going around is beyond obvious. And it is an attack on All men and boys not just some.",
">\n\nNot a disagreement per se, but also worth noting that it’s transphobic. Which is to say, it insults all men by reinforcing patriarchy and punching down to two groups of men.",
">\n\nShe said small dick energy. Not that he had a small dick (though, come on). She used that phrase BECAUSE it's Tate. She's not a moron.\nHe is, as evidenced by his life to this point and his two responses to Thunberg, which were epically pathetic, is a moron and didn't seem to get it, though he doesn't get a lot.",
">\n\nThis is worse than saying he has a small dick, because how would she know, and that would just be dismissed as stupid.\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\nI can't understand the mental gymnastics some people are doing to try and say this isn't body shaming.",
">\n\n\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\n\nI mean yeah -- kind of like how pussy is an insult denoting cowardice, cunt is an insult meaning basically, terrible, etc., \nShe used that on purpose. Are you making CMV every time you see someone calling someone else a pussy?",
">\n\nPussy is kind of already known to be a shitty gendered insult so it doesn't need a CMV. In this case, Greta's gendered \"having a small penis is bad\" tweet is massively amplified, reached r/all on a shitload of subs, etc. so some discussion about whether or not that is cool is warranted",
">\n\nSmall dick energy isn’t about having a small dick tho. It’s a reflection of an attitude that men who are offensive, aggressive, nasty to people are overcompensating for their insecurities. A small dick doesn’t mean you won’t be able to find a partner or that you’re any less of a man. Being a downright trash bag of a human to others, like in this instance where an internet edgelord is cyber bullying a teenager on the internet who is fighting for the survival of our planet/humanity is an example of this trash behavior, is more of a determining factor. \nYou can also have a small dick but have big dick energy, as it’s reflective of who you are as a person. It’s an attitude. It’s who you choose to be to yourself and others. Hell, there’s women who use the term that they have big dick energy and I can tell you those women’s dicks are none existent so therefore size isn’t a thing. \nNo one should be made fun of for something they had no control over. The worth of a man is not tied to the size of his penis. Although, toxic masculinity and shallow people will tell you different. They say the same for disabled people, fat people etc. There’s plenty of people who are not “conventional standards of beauty” which is the majority of us, that lead happy, healthy relationships. Those relationships start with yourself and understanding your worth as a person isn’t tied to what you look like or how big your junk is. \nThe point is if you choose to be a trash person like Tate, where your self worth is tied into how cruel/offensive you can be to other people, don’t be mad if people call you out for that trashy attitude. Your post definitely reeks of “men are the true victims” when clearly you didn’t seem to have a problem with a grown man cyber bullying a teenager.",
">\n\nI like how you imply that OP is a fan of a literal human trafficker because they point out that a body-shaming insult is body-shaming. Do you understand why associating a trait of someone's body with negative personality traits is bad?",
">\n\nNo because people like this always have exceptions that allow them to use the things they complain about. Cognitive gymnastics allows them to recognise shaming women and people of colour is bad, because society will eat them otherwise, but when someone shows up who deserves a bit of a roasting all of their social etiquette rules go out the window and the excuses come out as to why in this context it doesn't count.\n\"Ahh no, here it is a reflection of an attitude\" blah blah 3 paragraphs later and we've clouded over the simple fact that body shaming is body shaming and harms people you weren't intending to insult.",
">\n\nPeople like this? You’re assuming things about me because I am a character in your mind not a real person. I am not a monolith. We should not be body shaming people. I am explaining the other side of this issue and why people use these terms. You never asked if I use these same terms in my life. You assumed I do. I don’t. You didn’t even bother to read my response because if you did you would have realized this.",
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">\n\nYou can have smol pp but big pp energy and vice versa",
">\n\nSo why is the phrase small dick energy if it has nothing to do with having a small dick?",
">\n\nIdk man, I just work here.",
">\n\nYou know why. Lol cause small dick is associated with bad. And by insulting dicks you use this knowledge to offend, at the cost of body shaming people. \nStop feigning dumb just to avoid the reasoning lol",
">\n\nI can see how it would be offensive, and I wouldn’t use it myself. I feel like the phrase refers more to how someone acts as opposed to how they are endowed. And how it’s behavior and actions that make people think down of you not your penis.",
">\n\nPoint is that we, as a society, should encourage better insults that attack the comments of the person without necessarily having to equate it to something someone with a small dick.",
">\n\nWould you agree with me, that if Andrew clapped back with one of those that the internet would be up in arms about it?",
">\n\nYou mean the way that you are, here, on the internet, up in arms?",
">\n\nIm one person on reddit, theres no major backlash like there would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\nSee, what's happening here is that you are also looking at people who are \"one person on Reddit\" and pretending it's a major backlash. Andrew Tate says fucked up things about women all the time (in fact, it's kind of his whole schtick) and it's as much of a non-event as this is.",
">\n\nPlease link me to something fucked up hes said about women, and ill agree with you, two wrongs don't make a right.",
">\n\nHere's exhibit A.",
">\n\nSure I agree with you he has said fucked up stuff about women, it doesn't mean its okay to make a joke about small dick energy.\nDo you understand my point?",
">\n\nWe understand, it's just that your point is fucking stupid",
">\n\nYou have no idea what his point is, it's funny that people on this thread OP and others actually like Andrew Tate.\nIt proves that everyone is completely frothingly tribalistic with zero nuance.",
">\n\nIf someone is behaving insufferably, people are going to laugh at them for things that they wouldn’t find funny if it happened to someone they liked.\nFor example, is it funny when people go bankrupt? No. Would it be funny if someone like Andrew Tate went bankrupt after boasting about Bugattis and all of his mass wealth? Yes. This doesn’t mean people who would make fun of him for that are making fun of poverty or all people who lose their livelihoods, it would just be funny if it happened to that particular person. \nIn the same way, the idea that Tate does all the douchey, over the top macho things that he does in order to compensate for having a small penis is funny, whilst it not being funny to make fun of every person who has a small penis.",
">\n\nSubstitute fat. Is that ok?",
">\n\nDepends on what the fat person is doing. If the person is minding their own business then no, if the fat person is attacking other people’s appearances then yeah go for it.",
">\n\nInteresting take. Might want to play with that a bit. A lot of situations where your reasoning falls apart.",
">\n\nPeople insulted Trump for being fat when he tried to say he was like the most fit person ever. People make fun of Elon Musk's body. You can make the same type of insult to two different people and it come off two different ways. \nWhen you make your identity or argument around something it opens up certain insults and comebacks. \nTate's whole thing is trying to act like this \"alpha male\" when in reality he's a sex trafficking weirdo who pays women to hang out with him. It's totally fine to insult him with a childish insult. \nI also find that people worried or mad about this don't actually care about body image issues. They just want a gotcha moment for people. Because many would have shitty takes about fat people or whine about pc culture.",
">\n\nWhen you call some MF that doesn't necessarily mean you are a MF... I'm not saying it's okay to say abusing words but we still do use them.\nI don't think she said it in literal terms, it was completely literary. Also she only said it cause it was Tate who she said it to. Also if a woman has small tits and someone said to someone else that they have small tits energy, I don't think one who actually has small tits would mind it, cause she is not involved and it's kinda perfect way of irritating Tate.. cause he really cares about these things. \nWhen it comes to increasing the insecurity of someone who actually has small D and is insecure about it... She couldn't think so far cause all she wanted was to irritate Tate and she was successful",
">\n\nI don't think it even irritated him if that was her goal but definitely helped him with popularity. It just proves what he says people think of insecure men, it just moves them to him and he gains more influence. It was an ignorant reply in poor taste. Someone with much following and influence as Greta shouldn't be as irresponsible and the followers shouldn't be having to do mental gymnastics to defend her instead of seeing it as it is: body shaming against men.",
">\n\nIs this some kind of weird meta-game? Are Andrew Tate fans pretending to actually be offended by this stupid insult to prove a point? Does anybody actually think her retort was any sharper than a brick wrapped in a wet blanket?\nWhat is going on here?!",
">\n\n\nWhat is going on here?!\n\nAndrew Tate fans have a lot of small dick energy. That's whats going on.",
">\n\nWhy are people not allowed dislike tate (he's an absolute idiot and a grifter) and also to criticize obvious body shaming from a supposed progressive? If Biden started talking about \"N*gger energy\" criticizing Kanye for antisemitism, would that be ok in your eyes? Would you say that a black guy who doesn't like that must be an angry Kanye fan? Or is it disgustingly offensive towards all African Americans to use that type of language no matter what?",
">\n\nBecause it suits their narrative to frame it as if people are just defending tate. It's easier than just actually defending body shaming. Done deal.",
">\n\nI think Greta used that phrase not because she actually believes or wants to promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior, but because people like Andrew Tate believe and promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior. If Andrew Tate gets hurt because Greta says he has small dick energy, then maybe -- just maybe, with the tiniest bit of introspection -- he'll come to realize how hateful some of his language is.\nBullies like Andrew Tate don't really respond to logic or pleas for sympathy. The only way to maybe make them understand the hurt they cause is to inflict it on them, because they don't care about anyone but themselves. \nSo instead of putting the cart before the horse and blaming Greta for using an offensive phrase as an argumentative tactic, maybe blame the people who use the phrase to actually demean people.",
">\n\nCan we substitute fat instead and be justified?",
">\n\nYes people did that with Trump when he claimed to be the fittest person ever basically. If someone has a habit of insulting people a certain way or making certain claims then they open themselves up to specific insults. \nSometimes we'd find those insults not tasteful if said to other people. But I feel like most people equating this to fat insults don't actually care about fat people. A lot of people would also be like oh things are getting too pc or soft or woke when it comes to body positivity towards fat people. So for me it's hard to buy this line of reasoning as being truly valid or caring.",
">\n\nNo one said it has to be authentic caring. This sub is for exploring the intellectual arguments. Your perception of how authentic someone’s feelings towards fat people is basically irrelevant. Argue the point or don’t. Passing your authenticity test is a wierd standard to try to argue for.",
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">\n\nYes, making insults is offensive. That's the point.\nInsults that reference a body part are also offensive to people who are insecure about that body part. That's also kinda obvious.\nWhat do you want your mind changed about here? I'm unclear about what you think can be discussed about an insult meant to be insulting. Are you arguing that this insult is especially wrong in some way?\nHow is this not just you soapboxing?",
">\n\nThere's a reason as a society we don't use insults like \"retard\". This is in the same vein. You're attributing a negative thing with a man having a small penis. This is harmful as it perpetuates the stigma surrounding penis size which is outside ones control. Essentially it degrades a group of people who have nothing to do with it. OP wants to know whether or not this is reconciled. Reading the comments... It has not been. \nMaking gendered insults doesn't bother me truthfully but I can understand the frustration OP is expressing because were it to be a man making some edgy reference to a woman's lady parts being inadequate as a way to demean them then everyone would be outraged as opposed to cheering it on.",
">\n\nUsing “small dick” as an insult, or “loose pussy” isn’t really offensive unless you are insecure about the physical viability of your reproductive organs. \nBut, that doesn’t make it funny. It’s a really juvenile and uncreative way of ridiculing someone.",
">\n\nInsecure women are offended when they're fat shamed.\nIt's still body shaming.\nIt's still wrong.",
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">\n\nGuy randomly decides to flex on her by saying I HAVE CARS AND I LIKE TO GO VROOOOM. It's like when Piers decides that it's absolutely important to eat meat in front of vegans. It's not about penis size. It's just that smalldickenergy is a perfect explanation of why would someone decide to behave like this.",
">\n\nShe is 19. Maybe in a few years she will have more mature insults. It’s a lot of pressure to be put on someone so young to also say the perfect thing all the time",
">\n\nUnder nearly all circumstances, I agree with you.\nHowever, for a lot of people who have built a cult of personality around any given ideal, insults of the inoffensive type are completely commonplace. All they have to do is fend off one or two instances of this PG rated attacks, strawman them, call them snowflakes, and their following is bolstered and enhanced. Instead of having any negative effect, it becomes part of their inherent power.\nSometimes if you want to rattle a cult leader you have to hit with precision their most critical weakness and watch them implode. The fact that Tate is squirming so hard and doing everything he can to reclaim some of his dignity after Greta's clapback means that she has his number. Great isn't saying that having a small dick is bad, but knowing that Tate's entire personality is built about being an alpha male and that calling into question the size of his member will hurt him the most is what she was after. \nOf course, it wasn't classy and could be offensive to some. But as the saying goes, sometimes you have to fight fire with fire.",
">\n\nReally is he squirming? \nHe's rich he's popular and now he's gotten someone he disagrees with to repeat his ideology and platform spreading it to a wider audience. \nI'd argue he's happy for the attention and popularity that she's given to him now and enjoying the increased sales in his business as more men who feel marginalized and left out join him seeing this hypocrisy playing out. Not to mention all the political players( internationally) who were against climate action seeing all this and aligning themselves appropriately, possibly propping him up and making him something more than what he actually is- An ignorant troll. \nEngage with a troll and you only give them more power. The tweet was dumb and people should know better.\nEdit: spacing",
">\n\nI'm not commenting on whether or not his fans will like him more or if the controversy will inadvertently grant him a wider audience. \nI'm commenting that Greta knew exactly where and how to hit him the hardest. Yes, he is definitely squirming. He has scrambled out half a dozen prepubescent \"I know you are but what am I\" tweets. Then he went and made the absolute cringiest response video. He's incensed by being talked down to by Greta and is overcompensating. \nDid her tweet have any net positive effect on society? No. Did it ruffle Tate's feathers and make his blood boil? Yea. Would he have even cared if she called him a misogynistic prick? Absolutely not. He would have just told her to sit down and shut up, that misogyny is made up by inferior women blah blah blah...\nInstead, his insecurities are eating him alive.",
">\n\nWhy even respond and give him attention that he so desperately craves? And why body shame men in the process? \nIf she didn't have a better insult she could have just went on with her life instead of helping him grow. Using \"small dick energy\" as an insult means implicitly we agree that people with small penises are inferior and undesirable. That's basically what Tate is on about ( Toxic masculinity). And by laughing at her tweet we all reinforce that perception. Do you get that? \nSick of double standards and hypocrisy. At least people should have the courage to own up and acknowledge it then move on instead of doubling down and performing mental gymnastics to justify an obvious case of body shaming.\nI agree with you on one thing that the net effect on society because of this tweet exchange is negative and only serves the people who Greta and her followers hate.",
">\n\nI think you are missing what I am saying. I fully agree that it wasn't necessary nor was it the right thing for Greta to do. I also agree that it just gives him attention and was overall a useless venture other for the entertainment of Tate haters.\nOP asked why it is okay. I stated that it isn't okay but that I understand why Greta took that road rather than the suggested non-offensive approach. It is because he's immune to it. What he isn't immune to is his masculinity and ego being questioned. What is the point of the Wolf continuing to blow on the brick house? None. To get to the scared little piggies inside he needs a jackhammer. \nAnd it worked exactly how she planned it to. He was rattled and anyone who hates Tate is amused. \nNot saying it's the right thing to do, nor do I want anyone to feel ashamed of the size of their penis.",
">\n\nOk.. thanks for elaborating on that. I misunderstood your comment as a disagreement and engaged to try and change your mind but seems we share the same view.",
">\n\nYou do not know what Greta is \"fully aware\" of. She is referring to character and behaviour, why are you taking this personally? She isn't speaking to you, hasn't seen you, doesn't know you. I don't know why you are externalizing your issue like this and waving it around in public, is it our responsibility to fix this for you?\nShe was just making a tiny joke. Relax. smalldickenergy @ getalife .com is hilarious.",
">\n\nAside from everything else, it's men who started the 'big dick energy' idiocy so to then complain when someone uses their own stupidity against them...",
">\n\nYeah because men are a monolith and we all meet in a room and know each other smh.",
">\n\nThey’re saying it’s offensive to more than just Andrew Tate",
">\n\nYeah but again, ISN'T THE PURPOSE",
">\n\nWhat do you mean again? You didn’t say that before. And why does the purpose matter? You can do a bad thing without meaning to.",
">\n\nI meant to say isn't that the purpose lol mb",
">\n\nOh lol I probably should have realized that. But I think the point of the insult was to offend Andrew Tate.",
">\n\nFair. Trying to not say anything about him one way or another so I don't get downvoted to hell.",
">\n\nGreta lost that argument. She literally has like a hundred things Tate has said and done she could attack. Easy target... The one thing she chose to do is to body shame the man. It's just name calling. It's not a refutation of Tate. If anything it makes her sound stupid for her inability to come up with a refutation.",
">\n\nExactly. But people are just cheering her on and laughing along without grasping the nuance of the situation.",
">\n\nI think you are kinda missing the point. People know it offensive. The issue is that they don't care.",
">\n\nPeople used to make fun of small tits all the time. Remember the 90s? Remember the itty bitty titty committee? I don't know if that's a thing any more, but skinny women with no butts are definitely not seen as attractive. It's not fair. It's not their fault. People need to stop shaming themselves and eachother, and accept all bodies. Until then, \"small dick energy\" won't cease to be an insult. I guess the difference is people are sort of \"punching up\" since it's always been people with dicks who have the power in this world. I've never heard a dude say that another dude has \"small dick energy.\" It's always a woman saying that. Either way I think it's dumb but I get it. I've always thought \"Karen\" was a dumb insult too. Not someone's fault they were named Karen, LOL.",
">\n\nAndrew insulted her. He was asking for this insult. She was totally in the right. She wasn’t trying to shame anyone else. You’re asking for this insult too.",
">\n\nIsn't it more offensive for small pp folk, that there is a guy who base his entire existence on top of an argument that being an alpha, prime male is the most important thing in the world, and you need to be a testosterone bomb gorilla to have any kind of value. Isn't that argument disregards small dick guys in the first place?",
">\n\nAnd Greta just reinforced it with her reply. Do you see the problem now?\nEdit:replaced \"comment\" with \"reply\"",
">\n\nI believe I've already made a statement about what the problem is.",
">\n\nThen do you understand why Greta's reply is offensive and playing into Andrew Tate's hands?",
">\n\nLol this is twitter. There is no playing into each other's hands. Get outside.",
">\n\nOh look. Greta is human. Someone who spent a lot of her growing up time trying to educate people.\nIf she was in a bar and some doofus made a pass, she's just asserting herself. Age and context. Good on her.",
">\n\nIt is actually been studied. Men with small penises actually do have less energy- testosterone or something.",
">\n\nBeing offended by anything is each person's individual choice. If something is offensive to you, then simply choose to not be offended by it. It's truly that simple.",
">\n\nSo there is no such thing as hate speech?",
">\n\nNo, I didn't say that. Someone can certainly say something to someone that they hate with words that they feel will harm them mentally. That is \"hate speech\". The point I was trying to make is that we all as individuals have the choice to react to whatever someone says in whatever way we choose to react. If I feel offended by something that someone is saying, it is my choice to be offended by it.",
">\n\nI pretty much agree, but now we come to who decides. Does the person doing the talking decide whether it is hate speech? Or the person being talked at?",
">\n\nThere is no decision. The person who is talking thinks that what they are saying is not hateful, or they do. The person being talked at thinks that what the other person is saying is hateful, or they don't. The point is that it only matters if you make it matter to you. For example, if I say you are the dumbest person on earth, am I committing the crime of hate speech? Are you the dumbest person on earth? Probably not. But maybe I believe that you are. Does that make it true? If so, then it's not hate speech it's the truth...to me. If you, personally, believe that you are not the dumbest person on earth, then why would you concern yourself with what my dumbass has to say? To you, I'm the dumbest person on earth. I hope I'm getting my point across here.",
">\n\nSo we agree then? No laws regarding hate speech at all. You just ignore it and move on.",
">\n\nYes, sir.",
">\n\nYup",
">\n\nWhat if I say that I am offended that you are offended that you say \"small dick energy\" is offensive to men that are insecure about their size? Say I'm a man with a huge, massive dong. Say it's been a huge issue for me all my life. Let's say, hypothetically, that I am hugely insecure about the massive size of my dong and it's given me problems all my life. Every time I, hypothetically, go for a jog it's constantly flopping all over the place chaffing up my leg. Every time I have sex it's always this huge issue and only like half of the thing can go in before the receiver is like \"oh my god, stop, that's too much!\" Every time I receive oral sex, anything more than an inch beyond the tip causes a gag reflex. Does that sound exciting to you? Here you are bragging about your completely normal sized penis and all your normal sized penis sex and here this hypothetical person with a huge massive dong has all these issues. I can see how a hypothetical person with this debilitating issue would take offense that you take offense.",
">\n\nShe's an edgelord",
">\n\nreddit",
">\n\nSounds like a skill issue",
">\n\nDo you really get that offended? It's not like males themselves haven't sexualized females and their bodies and have said even worse and more common things about them? But we get offended over sum small? pun intended",
">\n\n“Some males have sexualized females therefore it’s fine for society to make fun of penis size.”",
">\n\nSociety? I don't see everyone (which represents society) doing it 😂 maybe you are focusing too much on negativity and that's all you see",
">\n\nSaying “small dick energy” is inherently a negative thing because it’s an insult. It also implies that there’s something bad about less endowed people because Tate is being compared to that demographic. \nWhen I say society, I mean that a decent percentage of people have “____ dick energy” built into their vocabulary to the point where the meaning of these terms is widely agreed on and it loses it’s direct connection to the penis. This doesn’t mean that the term is appropriate to use though since it originated from actual body shaming.",
">\n\nBattle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.",
">\n\nI think you should consider the situation at hand and less the use of insults as an absolute \nAndrew Tate absolutely deserves it",
">\n\nthe post its about the insult. \n\"Yeah I called this person a N... but lets focus on how bad that person is!!\"\nThe insult not only its very inflammatory (shows patriarcal estigmas,Its body shaming, reinforces toxic masculinity)\nIts also an extremely weak answer, its a groundless ad hominem. I would dare to argue the insult talks more about breta and his internalized toxic patriarcal estigmas than anything against tate.",
">\n\nGreta didn't start this. He was harassing her.",
">\n\n\"He started it\" -That's a toddler's excuse lmao",
">\n\nSo, in your opinion, Greta would have insulted him whether he had harassed her first, or not?",
">\n\nHer insulting him isn't the problem here. Its how she insulted him that's problematic.",
">\n\nWell, if he didn't want to be insulted, he could've done pretty much anything else with his time. I love the way you think people should be able to gatekeep how other people should hurt the feelings of people who are harassing them.",
">\n\nI'm not defending him or saying his feelings are hurt or that he doesn't deserve the insult. You're completely missing the point of this post and what we've been discussing. \n\"Body shaming is acceptable when it's directed at people we don't like\"- this is the hypocrisy that's being pointed out. It's not about who's better Tate or Greta but it's the bigger issue of shaming men's insecurities without any regard to their mental health. Do you get it now?",
">\n\nI think I do. It hadn't occurred to me that you might have a small penis. My apologies. Perhaps just as Greta Thurnberg travels the world as an advocate for awareness of Climate Change, you can break down the stereotype that people with small penises have energy. You should probably do as little as possible, though, since you don't want to be accused of having \"energy.\"",
">\n\nWasted my time replying after your \"he started it\" comment smh. Toddler mentality gugu gaga talk to me after you understand the issue.\nEdit: issue",
">\n\nI'm sorry about your peepee. But you have taught me not to trust stereotypes. And learning is fundamental.",
">\n\nI almost forgot. Please don't use the word toddler. It's offensive to small children.",
">\n\nFirst of all \"small dick energy\" shames the energy, not the small dick. It shames the fact to be insecure by your dick size (which is a metaphor for being insecure about your masculinity in general) and overcompensate by doing big manly stuff. It doesn't shame the fact to have a small dick.\nYou can argue that it is as bad, but it's important to understand that.",
">\n\nDon't be a cunt mate.",
">\n\nTechnically yes its body shaming but it's not that big a deal I think",
">\n\nIt has more to do with how they're acting rather than actual anatomy size.",
">\n\ncouple things: small dicks is one of the things about men that men tend to care about to an obsessive degree, that women do to a way lesser degree but pretend to, because men typically like to have a very braggadocious and obnoxious attitude about everything. this tate guy is that to the nth degree. so i mean if anyone deserves being called \"SDE\" its this tate guy \nsecond thing is that people who genuinely do have small dicks don't own that they have what they do; they lie about it. people who really do own that they have small dicks aren't made fun of for having them, because its not funny; the whole point is that you're lying about it and pretending like you're some big shot stud asshole, when you're not. if you own that you have a small dick, then ironically, you don't have \"SDE\"; you own what you have, you're not overcompensating and pretending to be something you're not. \nso if greta thunburg was to call, say, howard stern \"SDE\", a dude who owns that he has a small dick and makes fun of himself for it, then it wouldn't be funny. and howard stern even IS a braggadocious asshole. andrew tate is just wayyyyy more of one, and he pretend like he's god's gift to women. \nin general when it comes to \"oh poor men won't anybody think of the men\" i just cringe. i'm not the most liberal guy. but conservative guys just reappropriating the oppression olympics self-victimization shit and applying it to themselves is just pathetic.",
">\n\nSmall dick guy here... I always felt like guys like Howard Stern were compensating for it by self-loathing comedy. That's a big thing comedians do in general, and so to me it's always hard to say a guy truly doesn't care about it just because he's joking about it. On the other hand, maybe I'm just projecting, because I'll poke fun at my tiny pecker and not really care if someone makes fun of me for it, but it also does truly bother me a little bit when I hear things like, \"Oh that guy is an asshole, he must be mad because he has a tiny dick.\" Like... As if all us small guys are just furious that we aren't gonna win the dick-measuring contest that we let it affect our daily lives. It's a matter of extremes I think. I'm sure there's some guys with small ones that genuinely don't give a single fuck, and others who let it influence their entire lives, but I think most men with a small wang living in a society which implies that's a bad thing are going to end up somewhere in the middle of the scale.\nThe people I really feel bad for are the young people. Growing up with a small dick is a million times harder than being an adult with one. For the most part, nobody really cares if you're a grown man that's small, but when you're a teenager you feel like everybody cares. I had a really hard time wanting to pursue girls because of it, always worried about what their reaction would be, is they'd tell their girlfriends and it would get back to the other guys, etc. And that DOES happen... I remember being at the lunch table and someone saying, 'Did you hear Mike's dick is only x inches?\" and I'd be sitting there like, an inch shorter than Mike and pretending that I found it as funny as everyone else around the table. It didn't really hit me until I was much older that I probably wasn't the only one at the table doing that. Plus I always thought it was weird like, at least that was evidence \"Mike\" was getting some, why should he care if it was small? It wasn't until I got over it and had a few flings and girlfriends that I realized it made such a little difference (pun intended) than what I had built it up to in my mind.\nSo I mean... Yeah, I think some guys do truly have small dick energy, but all that means is they're insecure and I think it kind of sucks that people don't think about the feelings of people who had no part of the fight who get their feelings hurt as collateral damage, and that somehow just because of the douche the insult was leveled at we go, \"Haha you feel insecure about your body!\"\nOne thing it makes me think about that I'm guilty of is calling guys closet-cases. Yeah, I am just trying to point out they're overcompensating about things because they are ashamed of their sexuality, but I don't really take a pause and think, \"Wow, I bet that makes the people actually in the closet feel like shit.\" In some ways, I think it's even worse than just simple body shaming that as a society we're going around making fun of people for issues that could very well be deep seeded mental health issues, or could become so.",
">\n\nidk i just think that the only people being accused of having small dicks are people who are so obnoxious that it feels like they're compensating, like this guy. so sure its \"body shaming\", but a) body shaming is just something that happens that idk if we can ever really do anything about, because human beings value different body parts differently, and b) its only really shaming people because of their behavior, not their bodies. its shaming their behavior, by implying something about their bodies that would be embarrassing particularly for a person who is displaying this behavior, like tate does, because somebody that obsessed with getting chicks would probably be extremely concerned if people thought he had a small dick.",
">\n\nYeah that's the thing though, for me it really bothers me more that people think I'm going around being an asshole, driving a huge truck or otherwise trying to compensate just because my dick is small. I can also see the idea that it implies that having a small dick is bad. I mean just the idea that you can 'accuse' anyone of it implies there's something wrong with it.\nI mean, to me that's easier to hand-wave the idea that there's something wrong with it since I've had enough lived experience to know it doesn't matter. However, I feel like there's probably a lot of people out there who haven't who are still really hung up on it, particularly young people. I know I already brought up homosexuality, but it reminds me of when people use to say you shouldn't call things gay because it puts a negative connotation on homosexuality. Speaking of that, there's that phrase, \"It gets better,\" that is used to comfort/console LGTBQ youths and I think it should be applied to body-image issues too--whether that be penis size, breast size, weight, whatever. Looking back on my life, it was definitely the insecurities that negatively effected me far more than my actual size ever did. \nBut yeah I also feel like there's kind of a lot of people just trying to paint this as her being caught being a hypocrite or something, and I agree with you that I especially hate it when men frame it as some kind of, \"Oh look, see, we're oppressed too. So much for feminism!\" kind of argument.\nI guess I just see both sides of it.",
">\n\nVery well put. I honestly think you have changed some minds today. Hopefully more people stop and think before blindly defending someone they look up to.",
">\n\nI have a small dick, it's fine",
">\n\nThat's the point."
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"small dick energy" isn't mocking someone for their penis size but for behaving in a way that they are compensating for insecurities and people like Tait measure their masculinity in "I own cars" is the epitome of trying to mask insecurities
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"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult.",
">\n\nIt's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh.",
">\n\nHonestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV",
">\n\nPeople can make mistakes and this was one of them.. so we can all just criticize her reply fairly and move on. No need for acute mental gymnastics to defend her as this comments section is showing lmao.",
">\n\nSorry, u/Western-Elevator-456 – your comment has been removed for breaking Rule 1:\n\nDirect responses to a CMV post must challenge at least one aspect of OP’s stated view (however minor), or ask a clarifying question. Arguments in favor of the view OP is willing to change must be restricted to replies to other comments. See the wiki page for more information. \n\nIf you would like to appeal, you must first check if your comment falls into the \"Top level comments that are against rule 1\" list, review our appeals process here, then message the moderators by clicking this link within one week of this notice being posted. \nPlease note that multiple violations will lead to a ban, as explained in our moderation standards.",
">\n\nI don't think anyone is arguing it's not offensive. I'm pretty sure she was trying to offend insecure men. Apparently with great success.",
">\n\nShe was trying to offend men who were insecure about their body image?\nHow is that not body shaming?",
">\n\nIt is, but we playing the avoidance and rationalization game",
">\n\nbecause women invented \"small dick energy\"\nharsh, sad. but we go jim🗿",
">\n\nOP never mentioned women tho. Post is strictly about why it's offensive. Do you disagree that it's not offensive or you think it's a trivial matter to make fun of that men's mental health doesn't matter as much?",
">\n\nThe female equivalent is\n\"Loose Pussy Energy\".\nThe typical man-hate hypocrisy commonly going around is beyond obvious. And it is an attack on All men and boys not just some.",
">\n\nNot a disagreement per se, but also worth noting that it’s transphobic. Which is to say, it insults all men by reinforcing patriarchy and punching down to two groups of men.",
">\n\nShe said small dick energy. Not that he had a small dick (though, come on). She used that phrase BECAUSE it's Tate. She's not a moron.\nHe is, as evidenced by his life to this point and his two responses to Thunberg, which were epically pathetic, is a moron and didn't seem to get it, though he doesn't get a lot.",
">\n\nThis is worse than saying he has a small dick, because how would she know, and that would just be dismissed as stupid.\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\nI can't understand the mental gymnastics some people are doing to try and say this isn't body shaming.",
">\n\n\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\n\nI mean yeah -- kind of like how pussy is an insult denoting cowardice, cunt is an insult meaning basically, terrible, etc., \nShe used that on purpose. Are you making CMV every time you see someone calling someone else a pussy?",
">\n\nPussy is kind of already known to be a shitty gendered insult so it doesn't need a CMV. In this case, Greta's gendered \"having a small penis is bad\" tweet is massively amplified, reached r/all on a shitload of subs, etc. so some discussion about whether or not that is cool is warranted",
">\n\nSmall dick energy isn’t about having a small dick tho. It’s a reflection of an attitude that men who are offensive, aggressive, nasty to people are overcompensating for their insecurities. A small dick doesn’t mean you won’t be able to find a partner or that you’re any less of a man. Being a downright trash bag of a human to others, like in this instance where an internet edgelord is cyber bullying a teenager on the internet who is fighting for the survival of our planet/humanity is an example of this trash behavior, is more of a determining factor. \nYou can also have a small dick but have big dick energy, as it’s reflective of who you are as a person. It’s an attitude. It’s who you choose to be to yourself and others. Hell, there’s women who use the term that they have big dick energy and I can tell you those women’s dicks are none existent so therefore size isn’t a thing. \nNo one should be made fun of for something they had no control over. The worth of a man is not tied to the size of his penis. Although, toxic masculinity and shallow people will tell you different. They say the same for disabled people, fat people etc. There’s plenty of people who are not “conventional standards of beauty” which is the majority of us, that lead happy, healthy relationships. Those relationships start with yourself and understanding your worth as a person isn’t tied to what you look like or how big your junk is. \nThe point is if you choose to be a trash person like Tate, where your self worth is tied into how cruel/offensive you can be to other people, don’t be mad if people call you out for that trashy attitude. Your post definitely reeks of “men are the true victims” when clearly you didn’t seem to have a problem with a grown man cyber bullying a teenager.",
">\n\nI like how you imply that OP is a fan of a literal human trafficker because they point out that a body-shaming insult is body-shaming. Do you understand why associating a trait of someone's body with negative personality traits is bad?",
">\n\nNo because people like this always have exceptions that allow them to use the things they complain about. Cognitive gymnastics allows them to recognise shaming women and people of colour is bad, because society will eat them otherwise, but when someone shows up who deserves a bit of a roasting all of their social etiquette rules go out the window and the excuses come out as to why in this context it doesn't count.\n\"Ahh no, here it is a reflection of an attitude\" blah blah 3 paragraphs later and we've clouded over the simple fact that body shaming is body shaming and harms people you weren't intending to insult.",
">\n\nPeople like this? You’re assuming things about me because I am a character in your mind not a real person. I am not a monolith. We should not be body shaming people. I am explaining the other side of this issue and why people use these terms. You never asked if I use these same terms in my life. You assumed I do. I don’t. You didn’t even bother to read my response because if you did you would have realized this.",
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">\n\nYou can have smol pp but big pp energy and vice versa",
">\n\nSo why is the phrase small dick energy if it has nothing to do with having a small dick?",
">\n\nIdk man, I just work here.",
">\n\nYou know why. Lol cause small dick is associated with bad. And by insulting dicks you use this knowledge to offend, at the cost of body shaming people. \nStop feigning dumb just to avoid the reasoning lol",
">\n\nI can see how it would be offensive, and I wouldn’t use it myself. I feel like the phrase refers more to how someone acts as opposed to how they are endowed. And how it’s behavior and actions that make people think down of you not your penis.",
">\n\nPoint is that we, as a society, should encourage better insults that attack the comments of the person without necessarily having to equate it to something someone with a small dick.",
">\n\nWould you agree with me, that if Andrew clapped back with one of those that the internet would be up in arms about it?",
">\n\nYou mean the way that you are, here, on the internet, up in arms?",
">\n\nIm one person on reddit, theres no major backlash like there would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\nSee, what's happening here is that you are also looking at people who are \"one person on Reddit\" and pretending it's a major backlash. Andrew Tate says fucked up things about women all the time (in fact, it's kind of his whole schtick) and it's as much of a non-event as this is.",
">\n\nPlease link me to something fucked up hes said about women, and ill agree with you, two wrongs don't make a right.",
">\n\nHere's exhibit A.",
">\n\nSure I agree with you he has said fucked up stuff about women, it doesn't mean its okay to make a joke about small dick energy.\nDo you understand my point?",
">\n\nWe understand, it's just that your point is fucking stupid",
">\n\nYou have no idea what his point is, it's funny that people on this thread OP and others actually like Andrew Tate.\nIt proves that everyone is completely frothingly tribalistic with zero nuance.",
">\n\nIf someone is behaving insufferably, people are going to laugh at them for things that they wouldn’t find funny if it happened to someone they liked.\nFor example, is it funny when people go bankrupt? No. Would it be funny if someone like Andrew Tate went bankrupt after boasting about Bugattis and all of his mass wealth? Yes. This doesn’t mean people who would make fun of him for that are making fun of poverty or all people who lose their livelihoods, it would just be funny if it happened to that particular person. \nIn the same way, the idea that Tate does all the douchey, over the top macho things that he does in order to compensate for having a small penis is funny, whilst it not being funny to make fun of every person who has a small penis.",
">\n\nSubstitute fat. Is that ok?",
">\n\nDepends on what the fat person is doing. If the person is minding their own business then no, if the fat person is attacking other people’s appearances then yeah go for it.",
">\n\nInteresting take. Might want to play with that a bit. A lot of situations where your reasoning falls apart.",
">\n\nPeople insulted Trump for being fat when he tried to say he was like the most fit person ever. People make fun of Elon Musk's body. You can make the same type of insult to two different people and it come off two different ways. \nWhen you make your identity or argument around something it opens up certain insults and comebacks. \nTate's whole thing is trying to act like this \"alpha male\" when in reality he's a sex trafficking weirdo who pays women to hang out with him. It's totally fine to insult him with a childish insult. \nI also find that people worried or mad about this don't actually care about body image issues. They just want a gotcha moment for people. Because many would have shitty takes about fat people or whine about pc culture.",
">\n\nWhen you call some MF that doesn't necessarily mean you are a MF... I'm not saying it's okay to say abusing words but we still do use them.\nI don't think she said it in literal terms, it was completely literary. Also she only said it cause it was Tate who she said it to. Also if a woman has small tits and someone said to someone else that they have small tits energy, I don't think one who actually has small tits would mind it, cause she is not involved and it's kinda perfect way of irritating Tate.. cause he really cares about these things. \nWhen it comes to increasing the insecurity of someone who actually has small D and is insecure about it... She couldn't think so far cause all she wanted was to irritate Tate and she was successful",
">\n\nI don't think it even irritated him if that was her goal but definitely helped him with popularity. It just proves what he says people think of insecure men, it just moves them to him and he gains more influence. It was an ignorant reply in poor taste. Someone with much following and influence as Greta shouldn't be as irresponsible and the followers shouldn't be having to do mental gymnastics to defend her instead of seeing it as it is: body shaming against men.",
">\n\nIs this some kind of weird meta-game? Are Andrew Tate fans pretending to actually be offended by this stupid insult to prove a point? Does anybody actually think her retort was any sharper than a brick wrapped in a wet blanket?\nWhat is going on here?!",
">\n\n\nWhat is going on here?!\n\nAndrew Tate fans have a lot of small dick energy. That's whats going on.",
">\n\nWhy are people not allowed dislike tate (he's an absolute idiot and a grifter) and also to criticize obvious body shaming from a supposed progressive? If Biden started talking about \"N*gger energy\" criticizing Kanye for antisemitism, would that be ok in your eyes? Would you say that a black guy who doesn't like that must be an angry Kanye fan? Or is it disgustingly offensive towards all African Americans to use that type of language no matter what?",
">\n\nBecause it suits their narrative to frame it as if people are just defending tate. It's easier than just actually defending body shaming. Done deal.",
">\n\nI think Greta used that phrase not because she actually believes or wants to promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior, but because people like Andrew Tate believe and promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior. If Andrew Tate gets hurt because Greta says he has small dick energy, then maybe -- just maybe, with the tiniest bit of introspection -- he'll come to realize how hateful some of his language is.\nBullies like Andrew Tate don't really respond to logic or pleas for sympathy. The only way to maybe make them understand the hurt they cause is to inflict it on them, because they don't care about anyone but themselves. \nSo instead of putting the cart before the horse and blaming Greta for using an offensive phrase as an argumentative tactic, maybe blame the people who use the phrase to actually demean people.",
">\n\nCan we substitute fat instead and be justified?",
">\n\nYes people did that with Trump when he claimed to be the fittest person ever basically. If someone has a habit of insulting people a certain way or making certain claims then they open themselves up to specific insults. \nSometimes we'd find those insults not tasteful if said to other people. But I feel like most people equating this to fat insults don't actually care about fat people. A lot of people would also be like oh things are getting too pc or soft or woke when it comes to body positivity towards fat people. So for me it's hard to buy this line of reasoning as being truly valid or caring.",
">\n\nNo one said it has to be authentic caring. This sub is for exploring the intellectual arguments. Your perception of how authentic someone’s feelings towards fat people is basically irrelevant. Argue the point or don’t. Passing your authenticity test is a wierd standard to try to argue for.",
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">\n\nYes, making insults is offensive. That's the point.\nInsults that reference a body part are also offensive to people who are insecure about that body part. That's also kinda obvious.\nWhat do you want your mind changed about here? I'm unclear about what you think can be discussed about an insult meant to be insulting. Are you arguing that this insult is especially wrong in some way?\nHow is this not just you soapboxing?",
">\n\nThere's a reason as a society we don't use insults like \"retard\". This is in the same vein. You're attributing a negative thing with a man having a small penis. This is harmful as it perpetuates the stigma surrounding penis size which is outside ones control. Essentially it degrades a group of people who have nothing to do with it. OP wants to know whether or not this is reconciled. Reading the comments... It has not been. \nMaking gendered insults doesn't bother me truthfully but I can understand the frustration OP is expressing because were it to be a man making some edgy reference to a woman's lady parts being inadequate as a way to demean them then everyone would be outraged as opposed to cheering it on.",
">\n\nUsing “small dick” as an insult, or “loose pussy” isn’t really offensive unless you are insecure about the physical viability of your reproductive organs. \nBut, that doesn’t make it funny. It’s a really juvenile and uncreative way of ridiculing someone.",
">\n\nInsecure women are offended when they're fat shamed.\nIt's still body shaming.\nIt's still wrong.",
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">\n\nGuy randomly decides to flex on her by saying I HAVE CARS AND I LIKE TO GO VROOOOM. It's like when Piers decides that it's absolutely important to eat meat in front of vegans. It's not about penis size. It's just that smalldickenergy is a perfect explanation of why would someone decide to behave like this.",
">\n\nShe is 19. Maybe in a few years she will have more mature insults. It’s a lot of pressure to be put on someone so young to also say the perfect thing all the time",
">\n\nUnder nearly all circumstances, I agree with you.\nHowever, for a lot of people who have built a cult of personality around any given ideal, insults of the inoffensive type are completely commonplace. All they have to do is fend off one or two instances of this PG rated attacks, strawman them, call them snowflakes, and their following is bolstered and enhanced. Instead of having any negative effect, it becomes part of their inherent power.\nSometimes if you want to rattle a cult leader you have to hit with precision their most critical weakness and watch them implode. The fact that Tate is squirming so hard and doing everything he can to reclaim some of his dignity after Greta's clapback means that she has his number. Great isn't saying that having a small dick is bad, but knowing that Tate's entire personality is built about being an alpha male and that calling into question the size of his member will hurt him the most is what she was after. \nOf course, it wasn't classy and could be offensive to some. But as the saying goes, sometimes you have to fight fire with fire.",
">\n\nReally is he squirming? \nHe's rich he's popular and now he's gotten someone he disagrees with to repeat his ideology and platform spreading it to a wider audience. \nI'd argue he's happy for the attention and popularity that she's given to him now and enjoying the increased sales in his business as more men who feel marginalized and left out join him seeing this hypocrisy playing out. Not to mention all the political players( internationally) who were against climate action seeing all this and aligning themselves appropriately, possibly propping him up and making him something more than what he actually is- An ignorant troll. \nEngage with a troll and you only give them more power. The tweet was dumb and people should know better.\nEdit: spacing",
">\n\nI'm not commenting on whether or not his fans will like him more or if the controversy will inadvertently grant him a wider audience. \nI'm commenting that Greta knew exactly where and how to hit him the hardest. Yes, he is definitely squirming. He has scrambled out half a dozen prepubescent \"I know you are but what am I\" tweets. Then he went and made the absolute cringiest response video. He's incensed by being talked down to by Greta and is overcompensating. \nDid her tweet have any net positive effect on society? No. Did it ruffle Tate's feathers and make his blood boil? Yea. Would he have even cared if she called him a misogynistic prick? Absolutely not. He would have just told her to sit down and shut up, that misogyny is made up by inferior women blah blah blah...\nInstead, his insecurities are eating him alive.",
">\n\nWhy even respond and give him attention that he so desperately craves? And why body shame men in the process? \nIf she didn't have a better insult she could have just went on with her life instead of helping him grow. Using \"small dick energy\" as an insult means implicitly we agree that people with small penises are inferior and undesirable. That's basically what Tate is on about ( Toxic masculinity). And by laughing at her tweet we all reinforce that perception. Do you get that? \nSick of double standards and hypocrisy. At least people should have the courage to own up and acknowledge it then move on instead of doubling down and performing mental gymnastics to justify an obvious case of body shaming.\nI agree with you on one thing that the net effect on society because of this tweet exchange is negative and only serves the people who Greta and her followers hate.",
">\n\nI think you are missing what I am saying. I fully agree that it wasn't necessary nor was it the right thing for Greta to do. I also agree that it just gives him attention and was overall a useless venture other for the entertainment of Tate haters.\nOP asked why it is okay. I stated that it isn't okay but that I understand why Greta took that road rather than the suggested non-offensive approach. It is because he's immune to it. What he isn't immune to is his masculinity and ego being questioned. What is the point of the Wolf continuing to blow on the brick house? None. To get to the scared little piggies inside he needs a jackhammer. \nAnd it worked exactly how she planned it to. He was rattled and anyone who hates Tate is amused. \nNot saying it's the right thing to do, nor do I want anyone to feel ashamed of the size of their penis.",
">\n\nOk.. thanks for elaborating on that. I misunderstood your comment as a disagreement and engaged to try and change your mind but seems we share the same view.",
">\n\nYou do not know what Greta is \"fully aware\" of. She is referring to character and behaviour, why are you taking this personally? She isn't speaking to you, hasn't seen you, doesn't know you. I don't know why you are externalizing your issue like this and waving it around in public, is it our responsibility to fix this for you?\nShe was just making a tiny joke. Relax. smalldickenergy @ getalife .com is hilarious.",
">\n\nAside from everything else, it's men who started the 'big dick energy' idiocy so to then complain when someone uses their own stupidity against them...",
">\n\nYeah because men are a monolith and we all meet in a room and know each other smh.",
">\n\nThey’re saying it’s offensive to more than just Andrew Tate",
">\n\nYeah but again, ISN'T THE PURPOSE",
">\n\nWhat do you mean again? You didn’t say that before. And why does the purpose matter? You can do a bad thing without meaning to.",
">\n\nI meant to say isn't that the purpose lol mb",
">\n\nOh lol I probably should have realized that. But I think the point of the insult was to offend Andrew Tate.",
">\n\nFair. Trying to not say anything about him one way or another so I don't get downvoted to hell.",
">\n\nGreta lost that argument. She literally has like a hundred things Tate has said and done she could attack. Easy target... The one thing she chose to do is to body shame the man. It's just name calling. It's not a refutation of Tate. If anything it makes her sound stupid for her inability to come up with a refutation.",
">\n\nExactly. But people are just cheering her on and laughing along without grasping the nuance of the situation.",
">\n\nI think you are kinda missing the point. People know it offensive. The issue is that they don't care.",
">\n\nPeople used to make fun of small tits all the time. Remember the 90s? Remember the itty bitty titty committee? I don't know if that's a thing any more, but skinny women with no butts are definitely not seen as attractive. It's not fair. It's not their fault. People need to stop shaming themselves and eachother, and accept all bodies. Until then, \"small dick energy\" won't cease to be an insult. I guess the difference is people are sort of \"punching up\" since it's always been people with dicks who have the power in this world. I've never heard a dude say that another dude has \"small dick energy.\" It's always a woman saying that. Either way I think it's dumb but I get it. I've always thought \"Karen\" was a dumb insult too. Not someone's fault they were named Karen, LOL.",
">\n\nAndrew insulted her. He was asking for this insult. She was totally in the right. She wasn’t trying to shame anyone else. You’re asking for this insult too.",
">\n\nIsn't it more offensive for small pp folk, that there is a guy who base his entire existence on top of an argument that being an alpha, prime male is the most important thing in the world, and you need to be a testosterone bomb gorilla to have any kind of value. Isn't that argument disregards small dick guys in the first place?",
">\n\nAnd Greta just reinforced it with her reply. Do you see the problem now?\nEdit:replaced \"comment\" with \"reply\"",
">\n\nI believe I've already made a statement about what the problem is.",
">\n\nThen do you understand why Greta's reply is offensive and playing into Andrew Tate's hands?",
">\n\nLol this is twitter. There is no playing into each other's hands. Get outside.",
">\n\nOh look. Greta is human. Someone who spent a lot of her growing up time trying to educate people.\nIf she was in a bar and some doofus made a pass, she's just asserting herself. Age and context. Good on her.",
">\n\nIt is actually been studied. Men with small penises actually do have less energy- testosterone or something.",
">\n\nBeing offended by anything is each person's individual choice. If something is offensive to you, then simply choose to not be offended by it. It's truly that simple.",
">\n\nSo there is no such thing as hate speech?",
">\n\nNo, I didn't say that. Someone can certainly say something to someone that they hate with words that they feel will harm them mentally. That is \"hate speech\". The point I was trying to make is that we all as individuals have the choice to react to whatever someone says in whatever way we choose to react. If I feel offended by something that someone is saying, it is my choice to be offended by it.",
">\n\nI pretty much agree, but now we come to who decides. Does the person doing the talking decide whether it is hate speech? Or the person being talked at?",
">\n\nThere is no decision. The person who is talking thinks that what they are saying is not hateful, or they do. The person being talked at thinks that what the other person is saying is hateful, or they don't. The point is that it only matters if you make it matter to you. For example, if I say you are the dumbest person on earth, am I committing the crime of hate speech? Are you the dumbest person on earth? Probably not. But maybe I believe that you are. Does that make it true? If so, then it's not hate speech it's the truth...to me. If you, personally, believe that you are not the dumbest person on earth, then why would you concern yourself with what my dumbass has to say? To you, I'm the dumbest person on earth. I hope I'm getting my point across here.",
">\n\nSo we agree then? No laws regarding hate speech at all. You just ignore it and move on.",
">\n\nYes, sir.",
">\n\nYup",
">\n\nWhat if I say that I am offended that you are offended that you say \"small dick energy\" is offensive to men that are insecure about their size? Say I'm a man with a huge, massive dong. Say it's been a huge issue for me all my life. Let's say, hypothetically, that I am hugely insecure about the massive size of my dong and it's given me problems all my life. Every time I, hypothetically, go for a jog it's constantly flopping all over the place chaffing up my leg. Every time I have sex it's always this huge issue and only like half of the thing can go in before the receiver is like \"oh my god, stop, that's too much!\" Every time I receive oral sex, anything more than an inch beyond the tip causes a gag reflex. Does that sound exciting to you? Here you are bragging about your completely normal sized penis and all your normal sized penis sex and here this hypothetical person with a huge massive dong has all these issues. I can see how a hypothetical person with this debilitating issue would take offense that you take offense.",
">\n\nShe's an edgelord",
">\n\nreddit",
">\n\nSounds like a skill issue",
">\n\nDo you really get that offended? It's not like males themselves haven't sexualized females and their bodies and have said even worse and more common things about them? But we get offended over sum small? pun intended",
">\n\n“Some males have sexualized females therefore it’s fine for society to make fun of penis size.”",
">\n\nSociety? I don't see everyone (which represents society) doing it 😂 maybe you are focusing too much on negativity and that's all you see",
">\n\nSaying “small dick energy” is inherently a negative thing because it’s an insult. It also implies that there’s something bad about less endowed people because Tate is being compared to that demographic. \nWhen I say society, I mean that a decent percentage of people have “____ dick energy” built into their vocabulary to the point where the meaning of these terms is widely agreed on and it loses it’s direct connection to the penis. This doesn’t mean that the term is appropriate to use though since it originated from actual body shaming.",
">\n\nBattle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.",
">\n\nI think you should consider the situation at hand and less the use of insults as an absolute \nAndrew Tate absolutely deserves it",
">\n\nthe post its about the insult. \n\"Yeah I called this person a N... but lets focus on how bad that person is!!\"\nThe insult not only its very inflammatory (shows patriarcal estigmas,Its body shaming, reinforces toxic masculinity)\nIts also an extremely weak answer, its a groundless ad hominem. I would dare to argue the insult talks more about breta and his internalized toxic patriarcal estigmas than anything against tate.",
">\n\nGreta didn't start this. He was harassing her.",
">\n\n\"He started it\" -That's a toddler's excuse lmao",
">\n\nSo, in your opinion, Greta would have insulted him whether he had harassed her first, or not?",
">\n\nHer insulting him isn't the problem here. Its how she insulted him that's problematic.",
">\n\nWell, if he didn't want to be insulted, he could've done pretty much anything else with his time. I love the way you think people should be able to gatekeep how other people should hurt the feelings of people who are harassing them.",
">\n\nI'm not defending him or saying his feelings are hurt or that he doesn't deserve the insult. You're completely missing the point of this post and what we've been discussing. \n\"Body shaming is acceptable when it's directed at people we don't like\"- this is the hypocrisy that's being pointed out. It's not about who's better Tate or Greta but it's the bigger issue of shaming men's insecurities without any regard to their mental health. Do you get it now?",
">\n\nI think I do. It hadn't occurred to me that you might have a small penis. My apologies. Perhaps just as Greta Thurnberg travels the world as an advocate for awareness of Climate Change, you can break down the stereotype that people with small penises have energy. You should probably do as little as possible, though, since you don't want to be accused of having \"energy.\"",
">\n\nWasted my time replying after your \"he started it\" comment smh. Toddler mentality gugu gaga talk to me after you understand the issue.\nEdit: issue",
">\n\nI'm sorry about your peepee. But you have taught me not to trust stereotypes. And learning is fundamental.",
">\n\nI almost forgot. Please don't use the word toddler. It's offensive to small children.",
">\n\nFirst of all \"small dick energy\" shames the energy, not the small dick. It shames the fact to be insecure by your dick size (which is a metaphor for being insecure about your masculinity in general) and overcompensate by doing big manly stuff. It doesn't shame the fact to have a small dick.\nYou can argue that it is as bad, but it's important to understand that.",
">\n\nDon't be a cunt mate.",
">\n\nTechnically yes its body shaming but it's not that big a deal I think",
">\n\nIt has more to do with how they're acting rather than actual anatomy size.",
">\n\ncouple things: small dicks is one of the things about men that men tend to care about to an obsessive degree, that women do to a way lesser degree but pretend to, because men typically like to have a very braggadocious and obnoxious attitude about everything. this tate guy is that to the nth degree. so i mean if anyone deserves being called \"SDE\" its this tate guy \nsecond thing is that people who genuinely do have small dicks don't own that they have what they do; they lie about it. people who really do own that they have small dicks aren't made fun of for having them, because its not funny; the whole point is that you're lying about it and pretending like you're some big shot stud asshole, when you're not. if you own that you have a small dick, then ironically, you don't have \"SDE\"; you own what you have, you're not overcompensating and pretending to be something you're not. \nso if greta thunburg was to call, say, howard stern \"SDE\", a dude who owns that he has a small dick and makes fun of himself for it, then it wouldn't be funny. and howard stern even IS a braggadocious asshole. andrew tate is just wayyyyy more of one, and he pretend like he's god's gift to women. \nin general when it comes to \"oh poor men won't anybody think of the men\" i just cringe. i'm not the most liberal guy. but conservative guys just reappropriating the oppression olympics self-victimization shit and applying it to themselves is just pathetic.",
">\n\nSmall dick guy here... I always felt like guys like Howard Stern were compensating for it by self-loathing comedy. That's a big thing comedians do in general, and so to me it's always hard to say a guy truly doesn't care about it just because he's joking about it. On the other hand, maybe I'm just projecting, because I'll poke fun at my tiny pecker and not really care if someone makes fun of me for it, but it also does truly bother me a little bit when I hear things like, \"Oh that guy is an asshole, he must be mad because he has a tiny dick.\" Like... As if all us small guys are just furious that we aren't gonna win the dick-measuring contest that we let it affect our daily lives. It's a matter of extremes I think. I'm sure there's some guys with small ones that genuinely don't give a single fuck, and others who let it influence their entire lives, but I think most men with a small wang living in a society which implies that's a bad thing are going to end up somewhere in the middle of the scale.\nThe people I really feel bad for are the young people. Growing up with a small dick is a million times harder than being an adult with one. For the most part, nobody really cares if you're a grown man that's small, but when you're a teenager you feel like everybody cares. I had a really hard time wanting to pursue girls because of it, always worried about what their reaction would be, is they'd tell their girlfriends and it would get back to the other guys, etc. And that DOES happen... I remember being at the lunch table and someone saying, 'Did you hear Mike's dick is only x inches?\" and I'd be sitting there like, an inch shorter than Mike and pretending that I found it as funny as everyone else around the table. It didn't really hit me until I was much older that I probably wasn't the only one at the table doing that. Plus I always thought it was weird like, at least that was evidence \"Mike\" was getting some, why should he care if it was small? It wasn't until I got over it and had a few flings and girlfriends that I realized it made such a little difference (pun intended) than what I had built it up to in my mind.\nSo I mean... Yeah, I think some guys do truly have small dick energy, but all that means is they're insecure and I think it kind of sucks that people don't think about the feelings of people who had no part of the fight who get their feelings hurt as collateral damage, and that somehow just because of the douche the insult was leveled at we go, \"Haha you feel insecure about your body!\"\nOne thing it makes me think about that I'm guilty of is calling guys closet-cases. Yeah, I am just trying to point out they're overcompensating about things because they are ashamed of their sexuality, but I don't really take a pause and think, \"Wow, I bet that makes the people actually in the closet feel like shit.\" In some ways, I think it's even worse than just simple body shaming that as a society we're going around making fun of people for issues that could very well be deep seeded mental health issues, or could become so.",
">\n\nidk i just think that the only people being accused of having small dicks are people who are so obnoxious that it feels like they're compensating, like this guy. so sure its \"body shaming\", but a) body shaming is just something that happens that idk if we can ever really do anything about, because human beings value different body parts differently, and b) its only really shaming people because of their behavior, not their bodies. its shaming their behavior, by implying something about their bodies that would be embarrassing particularly for a person who is displaying this behavior, like tate does, because somebody that obsessed with getting chicks would probably be extremely concerned if people thought he had a small dick.",
">\n\nYeah that's the thing though, for me it really bothers me more that people think I'm going around being an asshole, driving a huge truck or otherwise trying to compensate just because my dick is small. I can also see the idea that it implies that having a small dick is bad. I mean just the idea that you can 'accuse' anyone of it implies there's something wrong with it.\nI mean, to me that's easier to hand-wave the idea that there's something wrong with it since I've had enough lived experience to know it doesn't matter. However, I feel like there's probably a lot of people out there who haven't who are still really hung up on it, particularly young people. I know I already brought up homosexuality, but it reminds me of when people use to say you shouldn't call things gay because it puts a negative connotation on homosexuality. Speaking of that, there's that phrase, \"It gets better,\" that is used to comfort/console LGTBQ youths and I think it should be applied to body-image issues too--whether that be penis size, breast size, weight, whatever. Looking back on my life, it was definitely the insecurities that negatively effected me far more than my actual size ever did. \nBut yeah I also feel like there's kind of a lot of people just trying to paint this as her being caught being a hypocrite or something, and I agree with you that I especially hate it when men frame it as some kind of, \"Oh look, see, we're oppressed too. So much for feminism!\" kind of argument.\nI guess I just see both sides of it.",
">\n\nVery well put. I honestly think you have changed some minds today. Hopefully more people stop and think before blindly defending someone they look up to.",
">\n\nI have a small dick, it's fine",
">\n\nThat's the point.",
">\n\nNo shit."
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I think the point about "energy" keeps being ignored.
You can have a small dick, but with thoughtfulness and confidence never have "small dick energy"
You can have a big schlong and be a needy jerkstore which gives you "small dick energy"
And you can be like Andrew Tate and have a very small one and have "small dick energy" and be an absolute creepy, dumbass attention goblin.
The grand majority of people don't give a flip about the size of your dick. People with dicks care about the size of their own dick. It's the assumption that everyone cares as much as they do about their dick that's the real problem.
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"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult.",
">\n\nIt's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh.",
">\n\nHonestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV",
">\n\nPeople can make mistakes and this was one of them.. so we can all just criticize her reply fairly and move on. No need for acute mental gymnastics to defend her as this comments section is showing lmao.",
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">\n\nI don't think anyone is arguing it's not offensive. I'm pretty sure she was trying to offend insecure men. Apparently with great success.",
">\n\nShe was trying to offend men who were insecure about their body image?\nHow is that not body shaming?",
">\n\nIt is, but we playing the avoidance and rationalization game",
">\n\nbecause women invented \"small dick energy\"\nharsh, sad. but we go jim🗿",
">\n\nOP never mentioned women tho. Post is strictly about why it's offensive. Do you disagree that it's not offensive or you think it's a trivial matter to make fun of that men's mental health doesn't matter as much?",
">\n\nThe female equivalent is\n\"Loose Pussy Energy\".\nThe typical man-hate hypocrisy commonly going around is beyond obvious. And it is an attack on All men and boys not just some.",
">\n\nNot a disagreement per se, but also worth noting that it’s transphobic. Which is to say, it insults all men by reinforcing patriarchy and punching down to two groups of men.",
">\n\nShe said small dick energy. Not that he had a small dick (though, come on). She used that phrase BECAUSE it's Tate. She's not a moron.\nHe is, as evidenced by his life to this point and his two responses to Thunberg, which were epically pathetic, is a moron and didn't seem to get it, though he doesn't get a lot.",
">\n\nThis is worse than saying he has a small dick, because how would she know, and that would just be dismissed as stupid.\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\nI can't understand the mental gymnastics some people are doing to try and say this isn't body shaming.",
">\n\n\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\n\nI mean yeah -- kind of like how pussy is an insult denoting cowardice, cunt is an insult meaning basically, terrible, etc., \nShe used that on purpose. Are you making CMV every time you see someone calling someone else a pussy?",
">\n\nPussy is kind of already known to be a shitty gendered insult so it doesn't need a CMV. In this case, Greta's gendered \"having a small penis is bad\" tweet is massively amplified, reached r/all on a shitload of subs, etc. so some discussion about whether or not that is cool is warranted",
">\n\nSmall dick energy isn’t about having a small dick tho. It’s a reflection of an attitude that men who are offensive, aggressive, nasty to people are overcompensating for their insecurities. A small dick doesn’t mean you won’t be able to find a partner or that you’re any less of a man. Being a downright trash bag of a human to others, like in this instance where an internet edgelord is cyber bullying a teenager on the internet who is fighting for the survival of our planet/humanity is an example of this trash behavior, is more of a determining factor. \nYou can also have a small dick but have big dick energy, as it’s reflective of who you are as a person. It’s an attitude. It’s who you choose to be to yourself and others. Hell, there’s women who use the term that they have big dick energy and I can tell you those women’s dicks are none existent so therefore size isn’t a thing. \nNo one should be made fun of for something they had no control over. The worth of a man is not tied to the size of his penis. Although, toxic masculinity and shallow people will tell you different. They say the same for disabled people, fat people etc. There’s plenty of people who are not “conventional standards of beauty” which is the majority of us, that lead happy, healthy relationships. Those relationships start with yourself and understanding your worth as a person isn’t tied to what you look like or how big your junk is. \nThe point is if you choose to be a trash person like Tate, where your self worth is tied into how cruel/offensive you can be to other people, don’t be mad if people call you out for that trashy attitude. Your post definitely reeks of “men are the true victims” when clearly you didn’t seem to have a problem with a grown man cyber bullying a teenager.",
">\n\nI like how you imply that OP is a fan of a literal human trafficker because they point out that a body-shaming insult is body-shaming. Do you understand why associating a trait of someone's body with negative personality traits is bad?",
">\n\nNo because people like this always have exceptions that allow them to use the things they complain about. Cognitive gymnastics allows them to recognise shaming women and people of colour is bad, because society will eat them otherwise, but when someone shows up who deserves a bit of a roasting all of their social etiquette rules go out the window and the excuses come out as to why in this context it doesn't count.\n\"Ahh no, here it is a reflection of an attitude\" blah blah 3 paragraphs later and we've clouded over the simple fact that body shaming is body shaming and harms people you weren't intending to insult.",
">\n\nPeople like this? You’re assuming things about me because I am a character in your mind not a real person. I am not a monolith. We should not be body shaming people. I am explaining the other side of this issue and why people use these terms. You never asked if I use these same terms in my life. You assumed I do. I don’t. You didn’t even bother to read my response because if you did you would have realized this.",
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">\n\nYou can have smol pp but big pp energy and vice versa",
">\n\nSo why is the phrase small dick energy if it has nothing to do with having a small dick?",
">\n\nIdk man, I just work here.",
">\n\nYou know why. Lol cause small dick is associated with bad. And by insulting dicks you use this knowledge to offend, at the cost of body shaming people. \nStop feigning dumb just to avoid the reasoning lol",
">\n\nI can see how it would be offensive, and I wouldn’t use it myself. I feel like the phrase refers more to how someone acts as opposed to how they are endowed. And how it’s behavior and actions that make people think down of you not your penis.",
">\n\nPoint is that we, as a society, should encourage better insults that attack the comments of the person without necessarily having to equate it to something someone with a small dick.",
">\n\nWould you agree with me, that if Andrew clapped back with one of those that the internet would be up in arms about it?",
">\n\nYou mean the way that you are, here, on the internet, up in arms?",
">\n\nIm one person on reddit, theres no major backlash like there would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\nSee, what's happening here is that you are also looking at people who are \"one person on Reddit\" and pretending it's a major backlash. Andrew Tate says fucked up things about women all the time (in fact, it's kind of his whole schtick) and it's as much of a non-event as this is.",
">\n\nPlease link me to something fucked up hes said about women, and ill agree with you, two wrongs don't make a right.",
">\n\nHere's exhibit A.",
">\n\nSure I agree with you he has said fucked up stuff about women, it doesn't mean its okay to make a joke about small dick energy.\nDo you understand my point?",
">\n\nWe understand, it's just that your point is fucking stupid",
">\n\nYou have no idea what his point is, it's funny that people on this thread OP and others actually like Andrew Tate.\nIt proves that everyone is completely frothingly tribalistic with zero nuance.",
">\n\nIf someone is behaving insufferably, people are going to laugh at them for things that they wouldn’t find funny if it happened to someone they liked.\nFor example, is it funny when people go bankrupt? No. Would it be funny if someone like Andrew Tate went bankrupt after boasting about Bugattis and all of his mass wealth? Yes. This doesn’t mean people who would make fun of him for that are making fun of poverty or all people who lose their livelihoods, it would just be funny if it happened to that particular person. \nIn the same way, the idea that Tate does all the douchey, over the top macho things that he does in order to compensate for having a small penis is funny, whilst it not being funny to make fun of every person who has a small penis.",
">\n\nSubstitute fat. Is that ok?",
">\n\nDepends on what the fat person is doing. If the person is minding their own business then no, if the fat person is attacking other people’s appearances then yeah go for it.",
">\n\nInteresting take. Might want to play with that a bit. A lot of situations where your reasoning falls apart.",
">\n\nPeople insulted Trump for being fat when he tried to say he was like the most fit person ever. People make fun of Elon Musk's body. You can make the same type of insult to two different people and it come off two different ways. \nWhen you make your identity or argument around something it opens up certain insults and comebacks. \nTate's whole thing is trying to act like this \"alpha male\" when in reality he's a sex trafficking weirdo who pays women to hang out with him. It's totally fine to insult him with a childish insult. \nI also find that people worried or mad about this don't actually care about body image issues. They just want a gotcha moment for people. Because many would have shitty takes about fat people or whine about pc culture.",
">\n\nWhen you call some MF that doesn't necessarily mean you are a MF... I'm not saying it's okay to say abusing words but we still do use them.\nI don't think she said it in literal terms, it was completely literary. Also she only said it cause it was Tate who she said it to. Also if a woman has small tits and someone said to someone else that they have small tits energy, I don't think one who actually has small tits would mind it, cause she is not involved and it's kinda perfect way of irritating Tate.. cause he really cares about these things. \nWhen it comes to increasing the insecurity of someone who actually has small D and is insecure about it... She couldn't think so far cause all she wanted was to irritate Tate and she was successful",
">\n\nI don't think it even irritated him if that was her goal but definitely helped him with popularity. It just proves what he says people think of insecure men, it just moves them to him and he gains more influence. It was an ignorant reply in poor taste. Someone with much following and influence as Greta shouldn't be as irresponsible and the followers shouldn't be having to do mental gymnastics to defend her instead of seeing it as it is: body shaming against men.",
">\n\nIs this some kind of weird meta-game? Are Andrew Tate fans pretending to actually be offended by this stupid insult to prove a point? Does anybody actually think her retort was any sharper than a brick wrapped in a wet blanket?\nWhat is going on here?!",
">\n\n\nWhat is going on here?!\n\nAndrew Tate fans have a lot of small dick energy. That's whats going on.",
">\n\nWhy are people not allowed dislike tate (he's an absolute idiot and a grifter) and also to criticize obvious body shaming from a supposed progressive? If Biden started talking about \"N*gger energy\" criticizing Kanye for antisemitism, would that be ok in your eyes? Would you say that a black guy who doesn't like that must be an angry Kanye fan? Or is it disgustingly offensive towards all African Americans to use that type of language no matter what?",
">\n\nBecause it suits their narrative to frame it as if people are just defending tate. It's easier than just actually defending body shaming. Done deal.",
">\n\nI think Greta used that phrase not because she actually believes or wants to promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior, but because people like Andrew Tate believe and promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior. If Andrew Tate gets hurt because Greta says he has small dick energy, then maybe -- just maybe, with the tiniest bit of introspection -- he'll come to realize how hateful some of his language is.\nBullies like Andrew Tate don't really respond to logic or pleas for sympathy. The only way to maybe make them understand the hurt they cause is to inflict it on them, because they don't care about anyone but themselves. \nSo instead of putting the cart before the horse and blaming Greta for using an offensive phrase as an argumentative tactic, maybe blame the people who use the phrase to actually demean people.",
">\n\nCan we substitute fat instead and be justified?",
">\n\nYes people did that with Trump when he claimed to be the fittest person ever basically. If someone has a habit of insulting people a certain way or making certain claims then they open themselves up to specific insults. \nSometimes we'd find those insults not tasteful if said to other people. But I feel like most people equating this to fat insults don't actually care about fat people. A lot of people would also be like oh things are getting too pc or soft or woke when it comes to body positivity towards fat people. So for me it's hard to buy this line of reasoning as being truly valid or caring.",
">\n\nNo one said it has to be authentic caring. This sub is for exploring the intellectual arguments. Your perception of how authentic someone’s feelings towards fat people is basically irrelevant. Argue the point or don’t. Passing your authenticity test is a wierd standard to try to argue for.",
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">\n\nYes, making insults is offensive. That's the point.\nInsults that reference a body part are also offensive to people who are insecure about that body part. That's also kinda obvious.\nWhat do you want your mind changed about here? I'm unclear about what you think can be discussed about an insult meant to be insulting. Are you arguing that this insult is especially wrong in some way?\nHow is this not just you soapboxing?",
">\n\nThere's a reason as a society we don't use insults like \"retard\". This is in the same vein. You're attributing a negative thing with a man having a small penis. This is harmful as it perpetuates the stigma surrounding penis size which is outside ones control. Essentially it degrades a group of people who have nothing to do with it. OP wants to know whether or not this is reconciled. Reading the comments... It has not been. \nMaking gendered insults doesn't bother me truthfully but I can understand the frustration OP is expressing because were it to be a man making some edgy reference to a woman's lady parts being inadequate as a way to demean them then everyone would be outraged as opposed to cheering it on.",
">\n\nUsing “small dick” as an insult, or “loose pussy” isn’t really offensive unless you are insecure about the physical viability of your reproductive organs. \nBut, that doesn’t make it funny. It’s a really juvenile and uncreative way of ridiculing someone.",
">\n\nInsecure women are offended when they're fat shamed.\nIt's still body shaming.\nIt's still wrong.",
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">\n\nGuy randomly decides to flex on her by saying I HAVE CARS AND I LIKE TO GO VROOOOM. It's like when Piers decides that it's absolutely important to eat meat in front of vegans. It's not about penis size. It's just that smalldickenergy is a perfect explanation of why would someone decide to behave like this.",
">\n\nShe is 19. Maybe in a few years she will have more mature insults. It’s a lot of pressure to be put on someone so young to also say the perfect thing all the time",
">\n\nUnder nearly all circumstances, I agree with you.\nHowever, for a lot of people who have built a cult of personality around any given ideal, insults of the inoffensive type are completely commonplace. All they have to do is fend off one or two instances of this PG rated attacks, strawman them, call them snowflakes, and their following is bolstered and enhanced. Instead of having any negative effect, it becomes part of their inherent power.\nSometimes if you want to rattle a cult leader you have to hit with precision their most critical weakness and watch them implode. The fact that Tate is squirming so hard and doing everything he can to reclaim some of his dignity after Greta's clapback means that she has his number. Great isn't saying that having a small dick is bad, but knowing that Tate's entire personality is built about being an alpha male and that calling into question the size of his member will hurt him the most is what she was after. \nOf course, it wasn't classy and could be offensive to some. But as the saying goes, sometimes you have to fight fire with fire.",
">\n\nReally is he squirming? \nHe's rich he's popular and now he's gotten someone he disagrees with to repeat his ideology and platform spreading it to a wider audience. \nI'd argue he's happy for the attention and popularity that she's given to him now and enjoying the increased sales in his business as more men who feel marginalized and left out join him seeing this hypocrisy playing out. Not to mention all the political players( internationally) who were against climate action seeing all this and aligning themselves appropriately, possibly propping him up and making him something more than what he actually is- An ignorant troll. \nEngage with a troll and you only give them more power. The tweet was dumb and people should know better.\nEdit: spacing",
">\n\nI'm not commenting on whether or not his fans will like him more or if the controversy will inadvertently grant him a wider audience. \nI'm commenting that Greta knew exactly where and how to hit him the hardest. Yes, he is definitely squirming. He has scrambled out half a dozen prepubescent \"I know you are but what am I\" tweets. Then he went and made the absolute cringiest response video. He's incensed by being talked down to by Greta and is overcompensating. \nDid her tweet have any net positive effect on society? No. Did it ruffle Tate's feathers and make his blood boil? Yea. Would he have even cared if she called him a misogynistic prick? Absolutely not. He would have just told her to sit down and shut up, that misogyny is made up by inferior women blah blah blah...\nInstead, his insecurities are eating him alive.",
">\n\nWhy even respond and give him attention that he so desperately craves? And why body shame men in the process? \nIf she didn't have a better insult she could have just went on with her life instead of helping him grow. Using \"small dick energy\" as an insult means implicitly we agree that people with small penises are inferior and undesirable. That's basically what Tate is on about ( Toxic masculinity). And by laughing at her tweet we all reinforce that perception. Do you get that? \nSick of double standards and hypocrisy. At least people should have the courage to own up and acknowledge it then move on instead of doubling down and performing mental gymnastics to justify an obvious case of body shaming.\nI agree with you on one thing that the net effect on society because of this tweet exchange is negative and only serves the people who Greta and her followers hate.",
">\n\nI think you are missing what I am saying. I fully agree that it wasn't necessary nor was it the right thing for Greta to do. I also agree that it just gives him attention and was overall a useless venture other for the entertainment of Tate haters.\nOP asked why it is okay. I stated that it isn't okay but that I understand why Greta took that road rather than the suggested non-offensive approach. It is because he's immune to it. What he isn't immune to is his masculinity and ego being questioned. What is the point of the Wolf continuing to blow on the brick house? None. To get to the scared little piggies inside he needs a jackhammer. \nAnd it worked exactly how she planned it to. He was rattled and anyone who hates Tate is amused. \nNot saying it's the right thing to do, nor do I want anyone to feel ashamed of the size of their penis.",
">\n\nOk.. thanks for elaborating on that. I misunderstood your comment as a disagreement and engaged to try and change your mind but seems we share the same view.",
">\n\nYou do not know what Greta is \"fully aware\" of. She is referring to character and behaviour, why are you taking this personally? She isn't speaking to you, hasn't seen you, doesn't know you. I don't know why you are externalizing your issue like this and waving it around in public, is it our responsibility to fix this for you?\nShe was just making a tiny joke. Relax. smalldickenergy @ getalife .com is hilarious.",
">\n\nAside from everything else, it's men who started the 'big dick energy' idiocy so to then complain when someone uses their own stupidity against them...",
">\n\nYeah because men are a monolith and we all meet in a room and know each other smh.",
">\n\nThey’re saying it’s offensive to more than just Andrew Tate",
">\n\nYeah but again, ISN'T THE PURPOSE",
">\n\nWhat do you mean again? You didn’t say that before. And why does the purpose matter? You can do a bad thing without meaning to.",
">\n\nI meant to say isn't that the purpose lol mb",
">\n\nOh lol I probably should have realized that. But I think the point of the insult was to offend Andrew Tate.",
">\n\nFair. Trying to not say anything about him one way or another so I don't get downvoted to hell.",
">\n\nGreta lost that argument. She literally has like a hundred things Tate has said and done she could attack. Easy target... The one thing she chose to do is to body shame the man. It's just name calling. It's not a refutation of Tate. If anything it makes her sound stupid for her inability to come up with a refutation.",
">\n\nExactly. But people are just cheering her on and laughing along without grasping the nuance of the situation.",
">\n\nI think you are kinda missing the point. People know it offensive. The issue is that they don't care.",
">\n\nPeople used to make fun of small tits all the time. Remember the 90s? Remember the itty bitty titty committee? I don't know if that's a thing any more, but skinny women with no butts are definitely not seen as attractive. It's not fair. It's not their fault. People need to stop shaming themselves and eachother, and accept all bodies. Until then, \"small dick energy\" won't cease to be an insult. I guess the difference is people are sort of \"punching up\" since it's always been people with dicks who have the power in this world. I've never heard a dude say that another dude has \"small dick energy.\" It's always a woman saying that. Either way I think it's dumb but I get it. I've always thought \"Karen\" was a dumb insult too. Not someone's fault they were named Karen, LOL.",
">\n\nAndrew insulted her. He was asking for this insult. She was totally in the right. She wasn’t trying to shame anyone else. You’re asking for this insult too.",
">\n\nIsn't it more offensive for small pp folk, that there is a guy who base his entire existence on top of an argument that being an alpha, prime male is the most important thing in the world, and you need to be a testosterone bomb gorilla to have any kind of value. Isn't that argument disregards small dick guys in the first place?",
">\n\nAnd Greta just reinforced it with her reply. Do you see the problem now?\nEdit:replaced \"comment\" with \"reply\"",
">\n\nI believe I've already made a statement about what the problem is.",
">\n\nThen do you understand why Greta's reply is offensive and playing into Andrew Tate's hands?",
">\n\nLol this is twitter. There is no playing into each other's hands. Get outside.",
">\n\nOh look. Greta is human. Someone who spent a lot of her growing up time trying to educate people.\nIf she was in a bar and some doofus made a pass, she's just asserting herself. Age and context. Good on her.",
">\n\nIt is actually been studied. Men with small penises actually do have less energy- testosterone or something.",
">\n\nBeing offended by anything is each person's individual choice. If something is offensive to you, then simply choose to not be offended by it. It's truly that simple.",
">\n\nSo there is no such thing as hate speech?",
">\n\nNo, I didn't say that. Someone can certainly say something to someone that they hate with words that they feel will harm them mentally. That is \"hate speech\". The point I was trying to make is that we all as individuals have the choice to react to whatever someone says in whatever way we choose to react. If I feel offended by something that someone is saying, it is my choice to be offended by it.",
">\n\nI pretty much agree, but now we come to who decides. Does the person doing the talking decide whether it is hate speech? Or the person being talked at?",
">\n\nThere is no decision. The person who is talking thinks that what they are saying is not hateful, or they do. The person being talked at thinks that what the other person is saying is hateful, or they don't. The point is that it only matters if you make it matter to you. For example, if I say you are the dumbest person on earth, am I committing the crime of hate speech? Are you the dumbest person on earth? Probably not. But maybe I believe that you are. Does that make it true? If so, then it's not hate speech it's the truth...to me. If you, personally, believe that you are not the dumbest person on earth, then why would you concern yourself with what my dumbass has to say? To you, I'm the dumbest person on earth. I hope I'm getting my point across here.",
">\n\nSo we agree then? No laws regarding hate speech at all. You just ignore it and move on.",
">\n\nYes, sir.",
">\n\nYup",
">\n\nWhat if I say that I am offended that you are offended that you say \"small dick energy\" is offensive to men that are insecure about their size? Say I'm a man with a huge, massive dong. Say it's been a huge issue for me all my life. Let's say, hypothetically, that I am hugely insecure about the massive size of my dong and it's given me problems all my life. Every time I, hypothetically, go for a jog it's constantly flopping all over the place chaffing up my leg. Every time I have sex it's always this huge issue and only like half of the thing can go in before the receiver is like \"oh my god, stop, that's too much!\" Every time I receive oral sex, anything more than an inch beyond the tip causes a gag reflex. Does that sound exciting to you? Here you are bragging about your completely normal sized penis and all your normal sized penis sex and here this hypothetical person with a huge massive dong has all these issues. I can see how a hypothetical person with this debilitating issue would take offense that you take offense.",
">\n\nShe's an edgelord",
">\n\nreddit",
">\n\nSounds like a skill issue",
">\n\nDo you really get that offended? It's not like males themselves haven't sexualized females and their bodies and have said even worse and more common things about them? But we get offended over sum small? pun intended",
">\n\n“Some males have sexualized females therefore it’s fine for society to make fun of penis size.”",
">\n\nSociety? I don't see everyone (which represents society) doing it 😂 maybe you are focusing too much on negativity and that's all you see",
">\n\nSaying “small dick energy” is inherently a negative thing because it’s an insult. It also implies that there’s something bad about less endowed people because Tate is being compared to that demographic. \nWhen I say society, I mean that a decent percentage of people have “____ dick energy” built into their vocabulary to the point where the meaning of these terms is widely agreed on and it loses it’s direct connection to the penis. This doesn’t mean that the term is appropriate to use though since it originated from actual body shaming.",
">\n\nBattle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.",
">\n\nI think you should consider the situation at hand and less the use of insults as an absolute \nAndrew Tate absolutely deserves it",
">\n\nthe post its about the insult. \n\"Yeah I called this person a N... but lets focus on how bad that person is!!\"\nThe insult not only its very inflammatory (shows patriarcal estigmas,Its body shaming, reinforces toxic masculinity)\nIts also an extremely weak answer, its a groundless ad hominem. I would dare to argue the insult talks more about breta and his internalized toxic patriarcal estigmas than anything against tate.",
">\n\nGreta didn't start this. He was harassing her.",
">\n\n\"He started it\" -That's a toddler's excuse lmao",
">\n\nSo, in your opinion, Greta would have insulted him whether he had harassed her first, or not?",
">\n\nHer insulting him isn't the problem here. Its how she insulted him that's problematic.",
">\n\nWell, if he didn't want to be insulted, he could've done pretty much anything else with his time. I love the way you think people should be able to gatekeep how other people should hurt the feelings of people who are harassing them.",
">\n\nI'm not defending him or saying his feelings are hurt or that he doesn't deserve the insult. You're completely missing the point of this post and what we've been discussing. \n\"Body shaming is acceptable when it's directed at people we don't like\"- this is the hypocrisy that's being pointed out. It's not about who's better Tate or Greta but it's the bigger issue of shaming men's insecurities without any regard to their mental health. Do you get it now?",
">\n\nI think I do. It hadn't occurred to me that you might have a small penis. My apologies. Perhaps just as Greta Thurnberg travels the world as an advocate for awareness of Climate Change, you can break down the stereotype that people with small penises have energy. You should probably do as little as possible, though, since you don't want to be accused of having \"energy.\"",
">\n\nWasted my time replying after your \"he started it\" comment smh. Toddler mentality gugu gaga talk to me after you understand the issue.\nEdit: issue",
">\n\nI'm sorry about your peepee. But you have taught me not to trust stereotypes. And learning is fundamental.",
">\n\nI almost forgot. Please don't use the word toddler. It's offensive to small children.",
">\n\nFirst of all \"small dick energy\" shames the energy, not the small dick. It shames the fact to be insecure by your dick size (which is a metaphor for being insecure about your masculinity in general) and overcompensate by doing big manly stuff. It doesn't shame the fact to have a small dick.\nYou can argue that it is as bad, but it's important to understand that.",
">\n\nDon't be a cunt mate.",
">\n\nTechnically yes its body shaming but it's not that big a deal I think",
">\n\nIt has more to do with how they're acting rather than actual anatomy size.",
">\n\ncouple things: small dicks is one of the things about men that men tend to care about to an obsessive degree, that women do to a way lesser degree but pretend to, because men typically like to have a very braggadocious and obnoxious attitude about everything. this tate guy is that to the nth degree. so i mean if anyone deserves being called \"SDE\" its this tate guy \nsecond thing is that people who genuinely do have small dicks don't own that they have what they do; they lie about it. people who really do own that they have small dicks aren't made fun of for having them, because its not funny; the whole point is that you're lying about it and pretending like you're some big shot stud asshole, when you're not. if you own that you have a small dick, then ironically, you don't have \"SDE\"; you own what you have, you're not overcompensating and pretending to be something you're not. \nso if greta thunburg was to call, say, howard stern \"SDE\", a dude who owns that he has a small dick and makes fun of himself for it, then it wouldn't be funny. and howard stern even IS a braggadocious asshole. andrew tate is just wayyyyy more of one, and he pretend like he's god's gift to women. \nin general when it comes to \"oh poor men won't anybody think of the men\" i just cringe. i'm not the most liberal guy. but conservative guys just reappropriating the oppression olympics self-victimization shit and applying it to themselves is just pathetic.",
">\n\nSmall dick guy here... I always felt like guys like Howard Stern were compensating for it by self-loathing comedy. That's a big thing comedians do in general, and so to me it's always hard to say a guy truly doesn't care about it just because he's joking about it. On the other hand, maybe I'm just projecting, because I'll poke fun at my tiny pecker and not really care if someone makes fun of me for it, but it also does truly bother me a little bit when I hear things like, \"Oh that guy is an asshole, he must be mad because he has a tiny dick.\" Like... As if all us small guys are just furious that we aren't gonna win the dick-measuring contest that we let it affect our daily lives. It's a matter of extremes I think. I'm sure there's some guys with small ones that genuinely don't give a single fuck, and others who let it influence their entire lives, but I think most men with a small wang living in a society which implies that's a bad thing are going to end up somewhere in the middle of the scale.\nThe people I really feel bad for are the young people. Growing up with a small dick is a million times harder than being an adult with one. For the most part, nobody really cares if you're a grown man that's small, but when you're a teenager you feel like everybody cares. I had a really hard time wanting to pursue girls because of it, always worried about what their reaction would be, is they'd tell their girlfriends and it would get back to the other guys, etc. And that DOES happen... I remember being at the lunch table and someone saying, 'Did you hear Mike's dick is only x inches?\" and I'd be sitting there like, an inch shorter than Mike and pretending that I found it as funny as everyone else around the table. It didn't really hit me until I was much older that I probably wasn't the only one at the table doing that. Plus I always thought it was weird like, at least that was evidence \"Mike\" was getting some, why should he care if it was small? It wasn't until I got over it and had a few flings and girlfriends that I realized it made such a little difference (pun intended) than what I had built it up to in my mind.\nSo I mean... Yeah, I think some guys do truly have small dick energy, but all that means is they're insecure and I think it kind of sucks that people don't think about the feelings of people who had no part of the fight who get their feelings hurt as collateral damage, and that somehow just because of the douche the insult was leveled at we go, \"Haha you feel insecure about your body!\"\nOne thing it makes me think about that I'm guilty of is calling guys closet-cases. Yeah, I am just trying to point out they're overcompensating about things because they are ashamed of their sexuality, but I don't really take a pause and think, \"Wow, I bet that makes the people actually in the closet feel like shit.\" In some ways, I think it's even worse than just simple body shaming that as a society we're going around making fun of people for issues that could very well be deep seeded mental health issues, or could become so.",
">\n\nidk i just think that the only people being accused of having small dicks are people who are so obnoxious that it feels like they're compensating, like this guy. so sure its \"body shaming\", but a) body shaming is just something that happens that idk if we can ever really do anything about, because human beings value different body parts differently, and b) its only really shaming people because of their behavior, not their bodies. its shaming their behavior, by implying something about their bodies that would be embarrassing particularly for a person who is displaying this behavior, like tate does, because somebody that obsessed with getting chicks would probably be extremely concerned if people thought he had a small dick.",
">\n\nYeah that's the thing though, for me it really bothers me more that people think I'm going around being an asshole, driving a huge truck or otherwise trying to compensate just because my dick is small. I can also see the idea that it implies that having a small dick is bad. I mean just the idea that you can 'accuse' anyone of it implies there's something wrong with it.\nI mean, to me that's easier to hand-wave the idea that there's something wrong with it since I've had enough lived experience to know it doesn't matter. However, I feel like there's probably a lot of people out there who haven't who are still really hung up on it, particularly young people. I know I already brought up homosexuality, but it reminds me of when people use to say you shouldn't call things gay because it puts a negative connotation on homosexuality. Speaking of that, there's that phrase, \"It gets better,\" that is used to comfort/console LGTBQ youths and I think it should be applied to body-image issues too--whether that be penis size, breast size, weight, whatever. Looking back on my life, it was definitely the insecurities that negatively effected me far more than my actual size ever did. \nBut yeah I also feel like there's kind of a lot of people just trying to paint this as her being caught being a hypocrite or something, and I agree with you that I especially hate it when men frame it as some kind of, \"Oh look, see, we're oppressed too. So much for feminism!\" kind of argument.\nI guess I just see both sides of it.",
">\n\nVery well put. I honestly think you have changed some minds today. Hopefully more people stop and think before blindly defending someone they look up to.",
">\n\nI have a small dick, it's fine",
">\n\nThat's the point.",
">\n\nNo shit.",
">\n\n\"small dick energy\" isn't mocking someone for their penis size but for behaving in a way that they are compensating for insecurities and people like Tait measure their masculinity in \"I own cars\" is the epitome of trying to mask insecurities"
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So you agree the stereotype is false ..... and hurtful. If it's really an assumption as you say then people won't use "tiny dick" as an insult on people they don't like right? If no one really cares then there's no need to use it as an insult anyway right? Right??
But they do because it's socially acceptable to body shame men for some reason. Just see the tweet posts in other subs and their comments section laughing along, cheering her on and poking fun at men who have small penises and the stereotypes associated with such.
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"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult.",
">\n\nIt's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh.",
">\n\nHonestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV",
">\n\nPeople can make mistakes and this was one of them.. so we can all just criticize her reply fairly and move on. No need for acute mental gymnastics to defend her as this comments section is showing lmao.",
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">\n\nI don't think anyone is arguing it's not offensive. I'm pretty sure she was trying to offend insecure men. Apparently with great success.",
">\n\nShe was trying to offend men who were insecure about their body image?\nHow is that not body shaming?",
">\n\nIt is, but we playing the avoidance and rationalization game",
">\n\nbecause women invented \"small dick energy\"\nharsh, sad. but we go jim🗿",
">\n\nOP never mentioned women tho. Post is strictly about why it's offensive. Do you disagree that it's not offensive or you think it's a trivial matter to make fun of that men's mental health doesn't matter as much?",
">\n\nThe female equivalent is\n\"Loose Pussy Energy\".\nThe typical man-hate hypocrisy commonly going around is beyond obvious. And it is an attack on All men and boys not just some.",
">\n\nNot a disagreement per se, but also worth noting that it’s transphobic. Which is to say, it insults all men by reinforcing patriarchy and punching down to two groups of men.",
">\n\nShe said small dick energy. Not that he had a small dick (though, come on). She used that phrase BECAUSE it's Tate. She's not a moron.\nHe is, as evidenced by his life to this point and his two responses to Thunberg, which were epically pathetic, is a moron and didn't seem to get it, though he doesn't get a lot.",
">\n\nThis is worse than saying he has a small dick, because how would she know, and that would just be dismissed as stupid.\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\nI can't understand the mental gymnastics some people are doing to try and say this isn't body shaming.",
">\n\n\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\n\nI mean yeah -- kind of like how pussy is an insult denoting cowardice, cunt is an insult meaning basically, terrible, etc., \nShe used that on purpose. Are you making CMV every time you see someone calling someone else a pussy?",
">\n\nPussy is kind of already known to be a shitty gendered insult so it doesn't need a CMV. In this case, Greta's gendered \"having a small penis is bad\" tweet is massively amplified, reached r/all on a shitload of subs, etc. so some discussion about whether or not that is cool is warranted",
">\n\nSmall dick energy isn’t about having a small dick tho. It’s a reflection of an attitude that men who are offensive, aggressive, nasty to people are overcompensating for their insecurities. A small dick doesn’t mean you won’t be able to find a partner or that you’re any less of a man. Being a downright trash bag of a human to others, like in this instance where an internet edgelord is cyber bullying a teenager on the internet who is fighting for the survival of our planet/humanity is an example of this trash behavior, is more of a determining factor. \nYou can also have a small dick but have big dick energy, as it’s reflective of who you are as a person. It’s an attitude. It’s who you choose to be to yourself and others. Hell, there’s women who use the term that they have big dick energy and I can tell you those women’s dicks are none existent so therefore size isn’t a thing. \nNo one should be made fun of for something they had no control over. The worth of a man is not tied to the size of his penis. Although, toxic masculinity and shallow people will tell you different. They say the same for disabled people, fat people etc. There’s plenty of people who are not “conventional standards of beauty” which is the majority of us, that lead happy, healthy relationships. Those relationships start with yourself and understanding your worth as a person isn’t tied to what you look like or how big your junk is. \nThe point is if you choose to be a trash person like Tate, where your self worth is tied into how cruel/offensive you can be to other people, don’t be mad if people call you out for that trashy attitude. Your post definitely reeks of “men are the true victims” when clearly you didn’t seem to have a problem with a grown man cyber bullying a teenager.",
">\n\nI like how you imply that OP is a fan of a literal human trafficker because they point out that a body-shaming insult is body-shaming. Do you understand why associating a trait of someone's body with negative personality traits is bad?",
">\n\nNo because people like this always have exceptions that allow them to use the things they complain about. Cognitive gymnastics allows them to recognise shaming women and people of colour is bad, because society will eat them otherwise, but when someone shows up who deserves a bit of a roasting all of their social etiquette rules go out the window and the excuses come out as to why in this context it doesn't count.\n\"Ahh no, here it is a reflection of an attitude\" blah blah 3 paragraphs later and we've clouded over the simple fact that body shaming is body shaming and harms people you weren't intending to insult.",
">\n\nPeople like this? You’re assuming things about me because I am a character in your mind not a real person. I am not a monolith. We should not be body shaming people. I am explaining the other side of this issue and why people use these terms. You never asked if I use these same terms in my life. You assumed I do. I don’t. You didn’t even bother to read my response because if you did you would have realized this.",
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">\n\nYou can have smol pp but big pp energy and vice versa",
">\n\nSo why is the phrase small dick energy if it has nothing to do with having a small dick?",
">\n\nIdk man, I just work here.",
">\n\nYou know why. Lol cause small dick is associated with bad. And by insulting dicks you use this knowledge to offend, at the cost of body shaming people. \nStop feigning dumb just to avoid the reasoning lol",
">\n\nI can see how it would be offensive, and I wouldn’t use it myself. I feel like the phrase refers more to how someone acts as opposed to how they are endowed. And how it’s behavior and actions that make people think down of you not your penis.",
">\n\nPoint is that we, as a society, should encourage better insults that attack the comments of the person without necessarily having to equate it to something someone with a small dick.",
">\n\nWould you agree with me, that if Andrew clapped back with one of those that the internet would be up in arms about it?",
">\n\nYou mean the way that you are, here, on the internet, up in arms?",
">\n\nIm one person on reddit, theres no major backlash like there would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\nSee, what's happening here is that you are also looking at people who are \"one person on Reddit\" and pretending it's a major backlash. Andrew Tate says fucked up things about women all the time (in fact, it's kind of his whole schtick) and it's as much of a non-event as this is.",
">\n\nPlease link me to something fucked up hes said about women, and ill agree with you, two wrongs don't make a right.",
">\n\nHere's exhibit A.",
">\n\nSure I agree with you he has said fucked up stuff about women, it doesn't mean its okay to make a joke about small dick energy.\nDo you understand my point?",
">\n\nWe understand, it's just that your point is fucking stupid",
">\n\nYou have no idea what his point is, it's funny that people on this thread OP and others actually like Andrew Tate.\nIt proves that everyone is completely frothingly tribalistic with zero nuance.",
">\n\nIf someone is behaving insufferably, people are going to laugh at them for things that they wouldn’t find funny if it happened to someone they liked.\nFor example, is it funny when people go bankrupt? No. Would it be funny if someone like Andrew Tate went bankrupt after boasting about Bugattis and all of his mass wealth? Yes. This doesn’t mean people who would make fun of him for that are making fun of poverty or all people who lose their livelihoods, it would just be funny if it happened to that particular person. \nIn the same way, the idea that Tate does all the douchey, over the top macho things that he does in order to compensate for having a small penis is funny, whilst it not being funny to make fun of every person who has a small penis.",
">\n\nSubstitute fat. Is that ok?",
">\n\nDepends on what the fat person is doing. If the person is minding their own business then no, if the fat person is attacking other people’s appearances then yeah go for it.",
">\n\nInteresting take. Might want to play with that a bit. A lot of situations where your reasoning falls apart.",
">\n\nPeople insulted Trump for being fat when he tried to say he was like the most fit person ever. People make fun of Elon Musk's body. You can make the same type of insult to two different people and it come off two different ways. \nWhen you make your identity or argument around something it opens up certain insults and comebacks. \nTate's whole thing is trying to act like this \"alpha male\" when in reality he's a sex trafficking weirdo who pays women to hang out with him. It's totally fine to insult him with a childish insult. \nI also find that people worried or mad about this don't actually care about body image issues. They just want a gotcha moment for people. Because many would have shitty takes about fat people or whine about pc culture.",
">\n\nWhen you call some MF that doesn't necessarily mean you are a MF... I'm not saying it's okay to say abusing words but we still do use them.\nI don't think she said it in literal terms, it was completely literary. Also she only said it cause it was Tate who she said it to. Also if a woman has small tits and someone said to someone else that they have small tits energy, I don't think one who actually has small tits would mind it, cause she is not involved and it's kinda perfect way of irritating Tate.. cause he really cares about these things. \nWhen it comes to increasing the insecurity of someone who actually has small D and is insecure about it... She couldn't think so far cause all she wanted was to irritate Tate and she was successful",
">\n\nI don't think it even irritated him if that was her goal but definitely helped him with popularity. It just proves what he says people think of insecure men, it just moves them to him and he gains more influence. It was an ignorant reply in poor taste. Someone with much following and influence as Greta shouldn't be as irresponsible and the followers shouldn't be having to do mental gymnastics to defend her instead of seeing it as it is: body shaming against men.",
">\n\nIs this some kind of weird meta-game? Are Andrew Tate fans pretending to actually be offended by this stupid insult to prove a point? Does anybody actually think her retort was any sharper than a brick wrapped in a wet blanket?\nWhat is going on here?!",
">\n\n\nWhat is going on here?!\n\nAndrew Tate fans have a lot of small dick energy. That's whats going on.",
">\n\nWhy are people not allowed dislike tate (he's an absolute idiot and a grifter) and also to criticize obvious body shaming from a supposed progressive? If Biden started talking about \"N*gger energy\" criticizing Kanye for antisemitism, would that be ok in your eyes? Would you say that a black guy who doesn't like that must be an angry Kanye fan? Or is it disgustingly offensive towards all African Americans to use that type of language no matter what?",
">\n\nBecause it suits their narrative to frame it as if people are just defending tate. It's easier than just actually defending body shaming. Done deal.",
">\n\nI think Greta used that phrase not because she actually believes or wants to promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior, but because people like Andrew Tate believe and promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior. If Andrew Tate gets hurt because Greta says he has small dick energy, then maybe -- just maybe, with the tiniest bit of introspection -- he'll come to realize how hateful some of his language is.\nBullies like Andrew Tate don't really respond to logic or pleas for sympathy. The only way to maybe make them understand the hurt they cause is to inflict it on them, because they don't care about anyone but themselves. \nSo instead of putting the cart before the horse and blaming Greta for using an offensive phrase as an argumentative tactic, maybe blame the people who use the phrase to actually demean people.",
">\n\nCan we substitute fat instead and be justified?",
">\n\nYes people did that with Trump when he claimed to be the fittest person ever basically. If someone has a habit of insulting people a certain way or making certain claims then they open themselves up to specific insults. \nSometimes we'd find those insults not tasteful if said to other people. But I feel like most people equating this to fat insults don't actually care about fat people. A lot of people would also be like oh things are getting too pc or soft or woke when it comes to body positivity towards fat people. So for me it's hard to buy this line of reasoning as being truly valid or caring.",
">\n\nNo one said it has to be authentic caring. This sub is for exploring the intellectual arguments. Your perception of how authentic someone’s feelings towards fat people is basically irrelevant. Argue the point or don’t. Passing your authenticity test is a wierd standard to try to argue for.",
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">\n\nYes, making insults is offensive. That's the point.\nInsults that reference a body part are also offensive to people who are insecure about that body part. That's also kinda obvious.\nWhat do you want your mind changed about here? I'm unclear about what you think can be discussed about an insult meant to be insulting. Are you arguing that this insult is especially wrong in some way?\nHow is this not just you soapboxing?",
">\n\nThere's a reason as a society we don't use insults like \"retard\". This is in the same vein. You're attributing a negative thing with a man having a small penis. This is harmful as it perpetuates the stigma surrounding penis size which is outside ones control. Essentially it degrades a group of people who have nothing to do with it. OP wants to know whether or not this is reconciled. Reading the comments... It has not been. \nMaking gendered insults doesn't bother me truthfully but I can understand the frustration OP is expressing because were it to be a man making some edgy reference to a woman's lady parts being inadequate as a way to demean them then everyone would be outraged as opposed to cheering it on.",
">\n\nUsing “small dick” as an insult, or “loose pussy” isn’t really offensive unless you are insecure about the physical viability of your reproductive organs. \nBut, that doesn’t make it funny. It’s a really juvenile and uncreative way of ridiculing someone.",
">\n\nInsecure women are offended when they're fat shamed.\nIt's still body shaming.\nIt's still wrong.",
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">\n\nGuy randomly decides to flex on her by saying I HAVE CARS AND I LIKE TO GO VROOOOM. It's like when Piers decides that it's absolutely important to eat meat in front of vegans. It's not about penis size. It's just that smalldickenergy is a perfect explanation of why would someone decide to behave like this.",
">\n\nShe is 19. Maybe in a few years she will have more mature insults. It’s a lot of pressure to be put on someone so young to also say the perfect thing all the time",
">\n\nUnder nearly all circumstances, I agree with you.\nHowever, for a lot of people who have built a cult of personality around any given ideal, insults of the inoffensive type are completely commonplace. All they have to do is fend off one or two instances of this PG rated attacks, strawman them, call them snowflakes, and their following is bolstered and enhanced. Instead of having any negative effect, it becomes part of their inherent power.\nSometimes if you want to rattle a cult leader you have to hit with precision their most critical weakness and watch them implode. The fact that Tate is squirming so hard and doing everything he can to reclaim some of his dignity after Greta's clapback means that she has his number. Great isn't saying that having a small dick is bad, but knowing that Tate's entire personality is built about being an alpha male and that calling into question the size of his member will hurt him the most is what she was after. \nOf course, it wasn't classy and could be offensive to some. But as the saying goes, sometimes you have to fight fire with fire.",
">\n\nReally is he squirming? \nHe's rich he's popular and now he's gotten someone he disagrees with to repeat his ideology and platform spreading it to a wider audience. \nI'd argue he's happy for the attention and popularity that she's given to him now and enjoying the increased sales in his business as more men who feel marginalized and left out join him seeing this hypocrisy playing out. Not to mention all the political players( internationally) who were against climate action seeing all this and aligning themselves appropriately, possibly propping him up and making him something more than what he actually is- An ignorant troll. \nEngage with a troll and you only give them more power. The tweet was dumb and people should know better.\nEdit: spacing",
">\n\nI'm not commenting on whether or not his fans will like him more or if the controversy will inadvertently grant him a wider audience. \nI'm commenting that Greta knew exactly where and how to hit him the hardest. Yes, he is definitely squirming. He has scrambled out half a dozen prepubescent \"I know you are but what am I\" tweets. Then he went and made the absolute cringiest response video. He's incensed by being talked down to by Greta and is overcompensating. \nDid her tweet have any net positive effect on society? No. Did it ruffle Tate's feathers and make his blood boil? Yea. Would he have even cared if she called him a misogynistic prick? Absolutely not. He would have just told her to sit down and shut up, that misogyny is made up by inferior women blah blah blah...\nInstead, his insecurities are eating him alive.",
">\n\nWhy even respond and give him attention that he so desperately craves? And why body shame men in the process? \nIf she didn't have a better insult she could have just went on with her life instead of helping him grow. Using \"small dick energy\" as an insult means implicitly we agree that people with small penises are inferior and undesirable. That's basically what Tate is on about ( Toxic masculinity). And by laughing at her tweet we all reinforce that perception. Do you get that? \nSick of double standards and hypocrisy. At least people should have the courage to own up and acknowledge it then move on instead of doubling down and performing mental gymnastics to justify an obvious case of body shaming.\nI agree with you on one thing that the net effect on society because of this tweet exchange is negative and only serves the people who Greta and her followers hate.",
">\n\nI think you are missing what I am saying. I fully agree that it wasn't necessary nor was it the right thing for Greta to do. I also agree that it just gives him attention and was overall a useless venture other for the entertainment of Tate haters.\nOP asked why it is okay. I stated that it isn't okay but that I understand why Greta took that road rather than the suggested non-offensive approach. It is because he's immune to it. What he isn't immune to is his masculinity and ego being questioned. What is the point of the Wolf continuing to blow on the brick house? None. To get to the scared little piggies inside he needs a jackhammer. \nAnd it worked exactly how she planned it to. He was rattled and anyone who hates Tate is amused. \nNot saying it's the right thing to do, nor do I want anyone to feel ashamed of the size of their penis.",
">\n\nOk.. thanks for elaborating on that. I misunderstood your comment as a disagreement and engaged to try and change your mind but seems we share the same view.",
">\n\nYou do not know what Greta is \"fully aware\" of. She is referring to character and behaviour, why are you taking this personally? She isn't speaking to you, hasn't seen you, doesn't know you. I don't know why you are externalizing your issue like this and waving it around in public, is it our responsibility to fix this for you?\nShe was just making a tiny joke. Relax. smalldickenergy @ getalife .com is hilarious.",
">\n\nAside from everything else, it's men who started the 'big dick energy' idiocy so to then complain when someone uses their own stupidity against them...",
">\n\nYeah because men are a monolith and we all meet in a room and know each other smh.",
">\n\nThey’re saying it’s offensive to more than just Andrew Tate",
">\n\nYeah but again, ISN'T THE PURPOSE",
">\n\nWhat do you mean again? You didn’t say that before. And why does the purpose matter? You can do a bad thing without meaning to.",
">\n\nI meant to say isn't that the purpose lol mb",
">\n\nOh lol I probably should have realized that. But I think the point of the insult was to offend Andrew Tate.",
">\n\nFair. Trying to not say anything about him one way or another so I don't get downvoted to hell.",
">\n\nGreta lost that argument. She literally has like a hundred things Tate has said and done she could attack. Easy target... The one thing she chose to do is to body shame the man. It's just name calling. It's not a refutation of Tate. If anything it makes her sound stupid for her inability to come up with a refutation.",
">\n\nExactly. But people are just cheering her on and laughing along without grasping the nuance of the situation.",
">\n\nI think you are kinda missing the point. People know it offensive. The issue is that they don't care.",
">\n\nPeople used to make fun of small tits all the time. Remember the 90s? Remember the itty bitty titty committee? I don't know if that's a thing any more, but skinny women with no butts are definitely not seen as attractive. It's not fair. It's not their fault. People need to stop shaming themselves and eachother, and accept all bodies. Until then, \"small dick energy\" won't cease to be an insult. I guess the difference is people are sort of \"punching up\" since it's always been people with dicks who have the power in this world. I've never heard a dude say that another dude has \"small dick energy.\" It's always a woman saying that. Either way I think it's dumb but I get it. I've always thought \"Karen\" was a dumb insult too. Not someone's fault they were named Karen, LOL.",
">\n\nAndrew insulted her. He was asking for this insult. She was totally in the right. She wasn’t trying to shame anyone else. You’re asking for this insult too.",
">\n\nIsn't it more offensive for small pp folk, that there is a guy who base his entire existence on top of an argument that being an alpha, prime male is the most important thing in the world, and you need to be a testosterone bomb gorilla to have any kind of value. Isn't that argument disregards small dick guys in the first place?",
">\n\nAnd Greta just reinforced it with her reply. Do you see the problem now?\nEdit:replaced \"comment\" with \"reply\"",
">\n\nI believe I've already made a statement about what the problem is.",
">\n\nThen do you understand why Greta's reply is offensive and playing into Andrew Tate's hands?",
">\n\nLol this is twitter. There is no playing into each other's hands. Get outside.",
">\n\nOh look. Greta is human. Someone who spent a lot of her growing up time trying to educate people.\nIf she was in a bar and some doofus made a pass, she's just asserting herself. Age and context. Good on her.",
">\n\nIt is actually been studied. Men with small penises actually do have less energy- testosterone or something.",
">\n\nBeing offended by anything is each person's individual choice. If something is offensive to you, then simply choose to not be offended by it. It's truly that simple.",
">\n\nSo there is no such thing as hate speech?",
">\n\nNo, I didn't say that. Someone can certainly say something to someone that they hate with words that they feel will harm them mentally. That is \"hate speech\". The point I was trying to make is that we all as individuals have the choice to react to whatever someone says in whatever way we choose to react. If I feel offended by something that someone is saying, it is my choice to be offended by it.",
">\n\nI pretty much agree, but now we come to who decides. Does the person doing the talking decide whether it is hate speech? Or the person being talked at?",
">\n\nThere is no decision. The person who is talking thinks that what they are saying is not hateful, or they do. The person being talked at thinks that what the other person is saying is hateful, or they don't. The point is that it only matters if you make it matter to you. For example, if I say you are the dumbest person on earth, am I committing the crime of hate speech? Are you the dumbest person on earth? Probably not. But maybe I believe that you are. Does that make it true? If so, then it's not hate speech it's the truth...to me. If you, personally, believe that you are not the dumbest person on earth, then why would you concern yourself with what my dumbass has to say? To you, I'm the dumbest person on earth. I hope I'm getting my point across here.",
">\n\nSo we agree then? No laws regarding hate speech at all. You just ignore it and move on.",
">\n\nYes, sir.",
">\n\nYup",
">\n\nWhat if I say that I am offended that you are offended that you say \"small dick energy\" is offensive to men that are insecure about their size? Say I'm a man with a huge, massive dong. Say it's been a huge issue for me all my life. Let's say, hypothetically, that I am hugely insecure about the massive size of my dong and it's given me problems all my life. Every time I, hypothetically, go for a jog it's constantly flopping all over the place chaffing up my leg. Every time I have sex it's always this huge issue and only like half of the thing can go in before the receiver is like \"oh my god, stop, that's too much!\" Every time I receive oral sex, anything more than an inch beyond the tip causes a gag reflex. Does that sound exciting to you? Here you are bragging about your completely normal sized penis and all your normal sized penis sex and here this hypothetical person with a huge massive dong has all these issues. I can see how a hypothetical person with this debilitating issue would take offense that you take offense.",
">\n\nShe's an edgelord",
">\n\nreddit",
">\n\nSounds like a skill issue",
">\n\nDo you really get that offended? It's not like males themselves haven't sexualized females and their bodies and have said even worse and more common things about them? But we get offended over sum small? pun intended",
">\n\n“Some males have sexualized females therefore it’s fine for society to make fun of penis size.”",
">\n\nSociety? I don't see everyone (which represents society) doing it 😂 maybe you are focusing too much on negativity and that's all you see",
">\n\nSaying “small dick energy” is inherently a negative thing because it’s an insult. It also implies that there’s something bad about less endowed people because Tate is being compared to that demographic. \nWhen I say society, I mean that a decent percentage of people have “____ dick energy” built into their vocabulary to the point where the meaning of these terms is widely agreed on and it loses it’s direct connection to the penis. This doesn’t mean that the term is appropriate to use though since it originated from actual body shaming.",
">\n\nBattle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.",
">\n\nI think you should consider the situation at hand and less the use of insults as an absolute \nAndrew Tate absolutely deserves it",
">\n\nthe post its about the insult. \n\"Yeah I called this person a N... but lets focus on how bad that person is!!\"\nThe insult not only its very inflammatory (shows patriarcal estigmas,Its body shaming, reinforces toxic masculinity)\nIts also an extremely weak answer, its a groundless ad hominem. I would dare to argue the insult talks more about breta and his internalized toxic patriarcal estigmas than anything against tate.",
">\n\nGreta didn't start this. He was harassing her.",
">\n\n\"He started it\" -That's a toddler's excuse lmao",
">\n\nSo, in your opinion, Greta would have insulted him whether he had harassed her first, or not?",
">\n\nHer insulting him isn't the problem here. Its how she insulted him that's problematic.",
">\n\nWell, if he didn't want to be insulted, he could've done pretty much anything else with his time. I love the way you think people should be able to gatekeep how other people should hurt the feelings of people who are harassing them.",
">\n\nI'm not defending him or saying his feelings are hurt or that he doesn't deserve the insult. You're completely missing the point of this post and what we've been discussing. \n\"Body shaming is acceptable when it's directed at people we don't like\"- this is the hypocrisy that's being pointed out. It's not about who's better Tate or Greta but it's the bigger issue of shaming men's insecurities without any regard to their mental health. Do you get it now?",
">\n\nI think I do. It hadn't occurred to me that you might have a small penis. My apologies. Perhaps just as Greta Thurnberg travels the world as an advocate for awareness of Climate Change, you can break down the stereotype that people with small penises have energy. You should probably do as little as possible, though, since you don't want to be accused of having \"energy.\"",
">\n\nWasted my time replying after your \"he started it\" comment smh. Toddler mentality gugu gaga talk to me after you understand the issue.\nEdit: issue",
">\n\nI'm sorry about your peepee. But you have taught me not to trust stereotypes. And learning is fundamental.",
">\n\nI almost forgot. Please don't use the word toddler. It's offensive to small children.",
">\n\nFirst of all \"small dick energy\" shames the energy, not the small dick. It shames the fact to be insecure by your dick size (which is a metaphor for being insecure about your masculinity in general) and overcompensate by doing big manly stuff. It doesn't shame the fact to have a small dick.\nYou can argue that it is as bad, but it's important to understand that.",
">\n\nDon't be a cunt mate.",
">\n\nTechnically yes its body shaming but it's not that big a deal I think",
">\n\nIt has more to do with how they're acting rather than actual anatomy size.",
">\n\ncouple things: small dicks is one of the things about men that men tend to care about to an obsessive degree, that women do to a way lesser degree but pretend to, because men typically like to have a very braggadocious and obnoxious attitude about everything. this tate guy is that to the nth degree. so i mean if anyone deserves being called \"SDE\" its this tate guy \nsecond thing is that people who genuinely do have small dicks don't own that they have what they do; they lie about it. people who really do own that they have small dicks aren't made fun of for having them, because its not funny; the whole point is that you're lying about it and pretending like you're some big shot stud asshole, when you're not. if you own that you have a small dick, then ironically, you don't have \"SDE\"; you own what you have, you're not overcompensating and pretending to be something you're not. \nso if greta thunburg was to call, say, howard stern \"SDE\", a dude who owns that he has a small dick and makes fun of himself for it, then it wouldn't be funny. and howard stern even IS a braggadocious asshole. andrew tate is just wayyyyy more of one, and he pretend like he's god's gift to women. \nin general when it comes to \"oh poor men won't anybody think of the men\" i just cringe. i'm not the most liberal guy. but conservative guys just reappropriating the oppression olympics self-victimization shit and applying it to themselves is just pathetic.",
">\n\nSmall dick guy here... I always felt like guys like Howard Stern were compensating for it by self-loathing comedy. That's a big thing comedians do in general, and so to me it's always hard to say a guy truly doesn't care about it just because he's joking about it. On the other hand, maybe I'm just projecting, because I'll poke fun at my tiny pecker and not really care if someone makes fun of me for it, but it also does truly bother me a little bit when I hear things like, \"Oh that guy is an asshole, he must be mad because he has a tiny dick.\" Like... As if all us small guys are just furious that we aren't gonna win the dick-measuring contest that we let it affect our daily lives. It's a matter of extremes I think. I'm sure there's some guys with small ones that genuinely don't give a single fuck, and others who let it influence their entire lives, but I think most men with a small wang living in a society which implies that's a bad thing are going to end up somewhere in the middle of the scale.\nThe people I really feel bad for are the young people. Growing up with a small dick is a million times harder than being an adult with one. For the most part, nobody really cares if you're a grown man that's small, but when you're a teenager you feel like everybody cares. I had a really hard time wanting to pursue girls because of it, always worried about what their reaction would be, is they'd tell their girlfriends and it would get back to the other guys, etc. And that DOES happen... I remember being at the lunch table and someone saying, 'Did you hear Mike's dick is only x inches?\" and I'd be sitting there like, an inch shorter than Mike and pretending that I found it as funny as everyone else around the table. It didn't really hit me until I was much older that I probably wasn't the only one at the table doing that. Plus I always thought it was weird like, at least that was evidence \"Mike\" was getting some, why should he care if it was small? It wasn't until I got over it and had a few flings and girlfriends that I realized it made such a little difference (pun intended) than what I had built it up to in my mind.\nSo I mean... Yeah, I think some guys do truly have small dick energy, but all that means is they're insecure and I think it kind of sucks that people don't think about the feelings of people who had no part of the fight who get their feelings hurt as collateral damage, and that somehow just because of the douche the insult was leveled at we go, \"Haha you feel insecure about your body!\"\nOne thing it makes me think about that I'm guilty of is calling guys closet-cases. Yeah, I am just trying to point out they're overcompensating about things because they are ashamed of their sexuality, but I don't really take a pause and think, \"Wow, I bet that makes the people actually in the closet feel like shit.\" In some ways, I think it's even worse than just simple body shaming that as a society we're going around making fun of people for issues that could very well be deep seeded mental health issues, or could become so.",
">\n\nidk i just think that the only people being accused of having small dicks are people who are so obnoxious that it feels like they're compensating, like this guy. so sure its \"body shaming\", but a) body shaming is just something that happens that idk if we can ever really do anything about, because human beings value different body parts differently, and b) its only really shaming people because of their behavior, not their bodies. its shaming their behavior, by implying something about their bodies that would be embarrassing particularly for a person who is displaying this behavior, like tate does, because somebody that obsessed with getting chicks would probably be extremely concerned if people thought he had a small dick.",
">\n\nYeah that's the thing though, for me it really bothers me more that people think I'm going around being an asshole, driving a huge truck or otherwise trying to compensate just because my dick is small. I can also see the idea that it implies that having a small dick is bad. I mean just the idea that you can 'accuse' anyone of it implies there's something wrong with it.\nI mean, to me that's easier to hand-wave the idea that there's something wrong with it since I've had enough lived experience to know it doesn't matter. However, I feel like there's probably a lot of people out there who haven't who are still really hung up on it, particularly young people. I know I already brought up homosexuality, but it reminds me of when people use to say you shouldn't call things gay because it puts a negative connotation on homosexuality. Speaking of that, there's that phrase, \"It gets better,\" that is used to comfort/console LGTBQ youths and I think it should be applied to body-image issues too--whether that be penis size, breast size, weight, whatever. Looking back on my life, it was definitely the insecurities that negatively effected me far more than my actual size ever did. \nBut yeah I also feel like there's kind of a lot of people just trying to paint this as her being caught being a hypocrite or something, and I agree with you that I especially hate it when men frame it as some kind of, \"Oh look, see, we're oppressed too. So much for feminism!\" kind of argument.\nI guess I just see both sides of it.",
">\n\nVery well put. I honestly think you have changed some minds today. Hopefully more people stop and think before blindly defending someone they look up to.",
">\n\nI have a small dick, it's fine",
">\n\nThat's the point.",
">\n\nNo shit.",
">\n\n\"small dick energy\" isn't mocking someone for their penis size but for behaving in a way that they are compensating for insecurities and people like Tait measure their masculinity in \"I own cars\" is the epitome of trying to mask insecurities",
">\n\nI think the point about \"energy\" keeps being ignored. \nYou can have a small dick, but with thoughtfulness and confidence never have \"small dick energy\"\nYou can have a big schlong and be a needy jerkstore which gives you \"small dick energy\"\nAnd you can be like Andrew Tate and have a very small one and have \"small dick energy\" and be an absolute creepy, dumbass attention goblin.\nThe grand majority of people don't give a flip about the size of your dick. People with dicks care about the size of their own dick. It's the assumption that everyone cares as much as they do about their dick that's the real problem."
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I don't know how old you are but like.
Saying small dick energy actually has anything to do with the size of someone's dick is like culturally irrelevant.
Like you can have a tiny dick and still have big dick energy and you can have a big dick and have small dick energy.
Because, Most people who need to project their insecurities are insulted by the size assumption.
It's more about the idea of insulting someone by saying they're just trying to project masculinity. This is the same reason why being in small dick energy is really used in all circles and not just as a male centered insult.
Like buck and stud lesbians love the fuck out of that term.
People with a small dick who get insulted by the general idea of small dick energy as an insult need to deal with their own insecurities.
I'd much rather have a small dick than small dick energy.
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"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult.",
">\n\nIt's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh.",
">\n\nHonestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV",
">\n\nPeople can make mistakes and this was one of them.. so we can all just criticize her reply fairly and move on. No need for acute mental gymnastics to defend her as this comments section is showing lmao.",
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">\n\nI don't think anyone is arguing it's not offensive. I'm pretty sure she was trying to offend insecure men. Apparently with great success.",
">\n\nShe was trying to offend men who were insecure about their body image?\nHow is that not body shaming?",
">\n\nIt is, but we playing the avoidance and rationalization game",
">\n\nbecause women invented \"small dick energy\"\nharsh, sad. but we go jim🗿",
">\n\nOP never mentioned women tho. Post is strictly about why it's offensive. Do you disagree that it's not offensive or you think it's a trivial matter to make fun of that men's mental health doesn't matter as much?",
">\n\nThe female equivalent is\n\"Loose Pussy Energy\".\nThe typical man-hate hypocrisy commonly going around is beyond obvious. And it is an attack on All men and boys not just some.",
">\n\nNot a disagreement per se, but also worth noting that it’s transphobic. Which is to say, it insults all men by reinforcing patriarchy and punching down to two groups of men.",
">\n\nShe said small dick energy. Not that he had a small dick (though, come on). She used that phrase BECAUSE it's Tate. She's not a moron.\nHe is, as evidenced by his life to this point and his two responses to Thunberg, which were epically pathetic, is a moron and didn't seem to get it, though he doesn't get a lot.",
">\n\nThis is worse than saying he has a small dick, because how would she know, and that would just be dismissed as stupid.\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\nI can't understand the mental gymnastics some people are doing to try and say this isn't body shaming.",
">\n\n\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\n\nI mean yeah -- kind of like how pussy is an insult denoting cowardice, cunt is an insult meaning basically, terrible, etc., \nShe used that on purpose. Are you making CMV every time you see someone calling someone else a pussy?",
">\n\nPussy is kind of already known to be a shitty gendered insult so it doesn't need a CMV. In this case, Greta's gendered \"having a small penis is bad\" tweet is massively amplified, reached r/all on a shitload of subs, etc. so some discussion about whether or not that is cool is warranted",
">\n\nSmall dick energy isn’t about having a small dick tho. It’s a reflection of an attitude that men who are offensive, aggressive, nasty to people are overcompensating for their insecurities. A small dick doesn’t mean you won’t be able to find a partner or that you’re any less of a man. Being a downright trash bag of a human to others, like in this instance where an internet edgelord is cyber bullying a teenager on the internet who is fighting for the survival of our planet/humanity is an example of this trash behavior, is more of a determining factor. \nYou can also have a small dick but have big dick energy, as it’s reflective of who you are as a person. It’s an attitude. It’s who you choose to be to yourself and others. Hell, there’s women who use the term that they have big dick energy and I can tell you those women’s dicks are none existent so therefore size isn’t a thing. \nNo one should be made fun of for something they had no control over. The worth of a man is not tied to the size of his penis. Although, toxic masculinity and shallow people will tell you different. They say the same for disabled people, fat people etc. There’s plenty of people who are not “conventional standards of beauty” which is the majority of us, that lead happy, healthy relationships. Those relationships start with yourself and understanding your worth as a person isn’t tied to what you look like or how big your junk is. \nThe point is if you choose to be a trash person like Tate, where your self worth is tied into how cruel/offensive you can be to other people, don’t be mad if people call you out for that trashy attitude. Your post definitely reeks of “men are the true victims” when clearly you didn’t seem to have a problem with a grown man cyber bullying a teenager.",
">\n\nI like how you imply that OP is a fan of a literal human trafficker because they point out that a body-shaming insult is body-shaming. Do you understand why associating a trait of someone's body with negative personality traits is bad?",
">\n\nNo because people like this always have exceptions that allow them to use the things they complain about. Cognitive gymnastics allows them to recognise shaming women and people of colour is bad, because society will eat them otherwise, but when someone shows up who deserves a bit of a roasting all of their social etiquette rules go out the window and the excuses come out as to why in this context it doesn't count.\n\"Ahh no, here it is a reflection of an attitude\" blah blah 3 paragraphs later and we've clouded over the simple fact that body shaming is body shaming and harms people you weren't intending to insult.",
">\n\nPeople like this? You’re assuming things about me because I am a character in your mind not a real person. I am not a monolith. We should not be body shaming people. I am explaining the other side of this issue and why people use these terms. You never asked if I use these same terms in my life. You assumed I do. I don’t. You didn’t even bother to read my response because if you did you would have realized this.",
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">\n\nYou can have smol pp but big pp energy and vice versa",
">\n\nSo why is the phrase small dick energy if it has nothing to do with having a small dick?",
">\n\nIdk man, I just work here.",
">\n\nYou know why. Lol cause small dick is associated with bad. And by insulting dicks you use this knowledge to offend, at the cost of body shaming people. \nStop feigning dumb just to avoid the reasoning lol",
">\n\nI can see how it would be offensive, and I wouldn’t use it myself. I feel like the phrase refers more to how someone acts as opposed to how they are endowed. And how it’s behavior and actions that make people think down of you not your penis.",
">\n\nPoint is that we, as a society, should encourage better insults that attack the comments of the person without necessarily having to equate it to something someone with a small dick.",
">\n\nWould you agree with me, that if Andrew clapped back with one of those that the internet would be up in arms about it?",
">\n\nYou mean the way that you are, here, on the internet, up in arms?",
">\n\nIm one person on reddit, theres no major backlash like there would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\nSee, what's happening here is that you are also looking at people who are \"one person on Reddit\" and pretending it's a major backlash. Andrew Tate says fucked up things about women all the time (in fact, it's kind of his whole schtick) and it's as much of a non-event as this is.",
">\n\nPlease link me to something fucked up hes said about women, and ill agree with you, two wrongs don't make a right.",
">\n\nHere's exhibit A.",
">\n\nSure I agree with you he has said fucked up stuff about women, it doesn't mean its okay to make a joke about small dick energy.\nDo you understand my point?",
">\n\nWe understand, it's just that your point is fucking stupid",
">\n\nYou have no idea what his point is, it's funny that people on this thread OP and others actually like Andrew Tate.\nIt proves that everyone is completely frothingly tribalistic with zero nuance.",
">\n\nIf someone is behaving insufferably, people are going to laugh at them for things that they wouldn’t find funny if it happened to someone they liked.\nFor example, is it funny when people go bankrupt? No. Would it be funny if someone like Andrew Tate went bankrupt after boasting about Bugattis and all of his mass wealth? Yes. This doesn’t mean people who would make fun of him for that are making fun of poverty or all people who lose their livelihoods, it would just be funny if it happened to that particular person. \nIn the same way, the idea that Tate does all the douchey, over the top macho things that he does in order to compensate for having a small penis is funny, whilst it not being funny to make fun of every person who has a small penis.",
">\n\nSubstitute fat. Is that ok?",
">\n\nDepends on what the fat person is doing. If the person is minding their own business then no, if the fat person is attacking other people’s appearances then yeah go for it.",
">\n\nInteresting take. Might want to play with that a bit. A lot of situations where your reasoning falls apart.",
">\n\nPeople insulted Trump for being fat when he tried to say he was like the most fit person ever. People make fun of Elon Musk's body. You can make the same type of insult to two different people and it come off two different ways. \nWhen you make your identity or argument around something it opens up certain insults and comebacks. \nTate's whole thing is trying to act like this \"alpha male\" when in reality he's a sex trafficking weirdo who pays women to hang out with him. It's totally fine to insult him with a childish insult. \nI also find that people worried or mad about this don't actually care about body image issues. They just want a gotcha moment for people. Because many would have shitty takes about fat people or whine about pc culture.",
">\n\nWhen you call some MF that doesn't necessarily mean you are a MF... I'm not saying it's okay to say abusing words but we still do use them.\nI don't think she said it in literal terms, it was completely literary. Also she only said it cause it was Tate who she said it to. Also if a woman has small tits and someone said to someone else that they have small tits energy, I don't think one who actually has small tits would mind it, cause she is not involved and it's kinda perfect way of irritating Tate.. cause he really cares about these things. \nWhen it comes to increasing the insecurity of someone who actually has small D and is insecure about it... She couldn't think so far cause all she wanted was to irritate Tate and she was successful",
">\n\nI don't think it even irritated him if that was her goal but definitely helped him with popularity. It just proves what he says people think of insecure men, it just moves them to him and he gains more influence. It was an ignorant reply in poor taste. Someone with much following and influence as Greta shouldn't be as irresponsible and the followers shouldn't be having to do mental gymnastics to defend her instead of seeing it as it is: body shaming against men.",
">\n\nIs this some kind of weird meta-game? Are Andrew Tate fans pretending to actually be offended by this stupid insult to prove a point? Does anybody actually think her retort was any sharper than a brick wrapped in a wet blanket?\nWhat is going on here?!",
">\n\n\nWhat is going on here?!\n\nAndrew Tate fans have a lot of small dick energy. That's whats going on.",
">\n\nWhy are people not allowed dislike tate (he's an absolute idiot and a grifter) and also to criticize obvious body shaming from a supposed progressive? If Biden started talking about \"N*gger energy\" criticizing Kanye for antisemitism, would that be ok in your eyes? Would you say that a black guy who doesn't like that must be an angry Kanye fan? Or is it disgustingly offensive towards all African Americans to use that type of language no matter what?",
">\n\nBecause it suits their narrative to frame it as if people are just defending tate. It's easier than just actually defending body shaming. Done deal.",
">\n\nI think Greta used that phrase not because she actually believes or wants to promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior, but because people like Andrew Tate believe and promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior. If Andrew Tate gets hurt because Greta says he has small dick energy, then maybe -- just maybe, with the tiniest bit of introspection -- he'll come to realize how hateful some of his language is.\nBullies like Andrew Tate don't really respond to logic or pleas for sympathy. The only way to maybe make them understand the hurt they cause is to inflict it on them, because they don't care about anyone but themselves. \nSo instead of putting the cart before the horse and blaming Greta for using an offensive phrase as an argumentative tactic, maybe blame the people who use the phrase to actually demean people.",
">\n\nCan we substitute fat instead and be justified?",
">\n\nYes people did that with Trump when he claimed to be the fittest person ever basically. If someone has a habit of insulting people a certain way or making certain claims then they open themselves up to specific insults. \nSometimes we'd find those insults not tasteful if said to other people. But I feel like most people equating this to fat insults don't actually care about fat people. A lot of people would also be like oh things are getting too pc or soft or woke when it comes to body positivity towards fat people. So for me it's hard to buy this line of reasoning as being truly valid or caring.",
">\n\nNo one said it has to be authentic caring. This sub is for exploring the intellectual arguments. Your perception of how authentic someone’s feelings towards fat people is basically irrelevant. Argue the point or don’t. Passing your authenticity test is a wierd standard to try to argue for.",
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">\n\nYes, making insults is offensive. That's the point.\nInsults that reference a body part are also offensive to people who are insecure about that body part. That's also kinda obvious.\nWhat do you want your mind changed about here? I'm unclear about what you think can be discussed about an insult meant to be insulting. Are you arguing that this insult is especially wrong in some way?\nHow is this not just you soapboxing?",
">\n\nThere's a reason as a society we don't use insults like \"retard\". This is in the same vein. You're attributing a negative thing with a man having a small penis. This is harmful as it perpetuates the stigma surrounding penis size which is outside ones control. Essentially it degrades a group of people who have nothing to do with it. OP wants to know whether or not this is reconciled. Reading the comments... It has not been. \nMaking gendered insults doesn't bother me truthfully but I can understand the frustration OP is expressing because were it to be a man making some edgy reference to a woman's lady parts being inadequate as a way to demean them then everyone would be outraged as opposed to cheering it on.",
">\n\nUsing “small dick” as an insult, or “loose pussy” isn’t really offensive unless you are insecure about the physical viability of your reproductive organs. \nBut, that doesn’t make it funny. It’s a really juvenile and uncreative way of ridiculing someone.",
">\n\nInsecure women are offended when they're fat shamed.\nIt's still body shaming.\nIt's still wrong.",
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">\n\nGuy randomly decides to flex on her by saying I HAVE CARS AND I LIKE TO GO VROOOOM. It's like when Piers decides that it's absolutely important to eat meat in front of vegans. It's not about penis size. It's just that smalldickenergy is a perfect explanation of why would someone decide to behave like this.",
">\n\nShe is 19. Maybe in a few years she will have more mature insults. It’s a lot of pressure to be put on someone so young to also say the perfect thing all the time",
">\n\nUnder nearly all circumstances, I agree with you.\nHowever, for a lot of people who have built a cult of personality around any given ideal, insults of the inoffensive type are completely commonplace. All they have to do is fend off one or two instances of this PG rated attacks, strawman them, call them snowflakes, and their following is bolstered and enhanced. Instead of having any negative effect, it becomes part of their inherent power.\nSometimes if you want to rattle a cult leader you have to hit with precision their most critical weakness and watch them implode. The fact that Tate is squirming so hard and doing everything he can to reclaim some of his dignity after Greta's clapback means that she has his number. Great isn't saying that having a small dick is bad, but knowing that Tate's entire personality is built about being an alpha male and that calling into question the size of his member will hurt him the most is what she was after. \nOf course, it wasn't classy and could be offensive to some. But as the saying goes, sometimes you have to fight fire with fire.",
">\n\nReally is he squirming? \nHe's rich he's popular and now he's gotten someone he disagrees with to repeat his ideology and platform spreading it to a wider audience. \nI'd argue he's happy for the attention and popularity that she's given to him now and enjoying the increased sales in his business as more men who feel marginalized and left out join him seeing this hypocrisy playing out. Not to mention all the political players( internationally) who were against climate action seeing all this and aligning themselves appropriately, possibly propping him up and making him something more than what he actually is- An ignorant troll. \nEngage with a troll and you only give them more power. The tweet was dumb and people should know better.\nEdit: spacing",
">\n\nI'm not commenting on whether or not his fans will like him more or if the controversy will inadvertently grant him a wider audience. \nI'm commenting that Greta knew exactly where and how to hit him the hardest. Yes, he is definitely squirming. He has scrambled out half a dozen prepubescent \"I know you are but what am I\" tweets. Then he went and made the absolute cringiest response video. He's incensed by being talked down to by Greta and is overcompensating. \nDid her tweet have any net positive effect on society? No. Did it ruffle Tate's feathers and make his blood boil? Yea. Would he have even cared if she called him a misogynistic prick? Absolutely not. He would have just told her to sit down and shut up, that misogyny is made up by inferior women blah blah blah...\nInstead, his insecurities are eating him alive.",
">\n\nWhy even respond and give him attention that he so desperately craves? And why body shame men in the process? \nIf she didn't have a better insult she could have just went on with her life instead of helping him grow. Using \"small dick energy\" as an insult means implicitly we agree that people with small penises are inferior and undesirable. That's basically what Tate is on about ( Toxic masculinity). And by laughing at her tweet we all reinforce that perception. Do you get that? \nSick of double standards and hypocrisy. At least people should have the courage to own up and acknowledge it then move on instead of doubling down and performing mental gymnastics to justify an obvious case of body shaming.\nI agree with you on one thing that the net effect on society because of this tweet exchange is negative and only serves the people who Greta and her followers hate.",
">\n\nI think you are missing what I am saying. I fully agree that it wasn't necessary nor was it the right thing for Greta to do. I also agree that it just gives him attention and was overall a useless venture other for the entertainment of Tate haters.\nOP asked why it is okay. I stated that it isn't okay but that I understand why Greta took that road rather than the suggested non-offensive approach. It is because he's immune to it. What he isn't immune to is his masculinity and ego being questioned. What is the point of the Wolf continuing to blow on the brick house? None. To get to the scared little piggies inside he needs a jackhammer. \nAnd it worked exactly how she planned it to. He was rattled and anyone who hates Tate is amused. \nNot saying it's the right thing to do, nor do I want anyone to feel ashamed of the size of their penis.",
">\n\nOk.. thanks for elaborating on that. I misunderstood your comment as a disagreement and engaged to try and change your mind but seems we share the same view.",
">\n\nYou do not know what Greta is \"fully aware\" of. She is referring to character and behaviour, why are you taking this personally? She isn't speaking to you, hasn't seen you, doesn't know you. I don't know why you are externalizing your issue like this and waving it around in public, is it our responsibility to fix this for you?\nShe was just making a tiny joke. Relax. smalldickenergy @ getalife .com is hilarious.",
">\n\nAside from everything else, it's men who started the 'big dick energy' idiocy so to then complain when someone uses their own stupidity against them...",
">\n\nYeah because men are a monolith and we all meet in a room and know each other smh.",
">\n\nThey’re saying it’s offensive to more than just Andrew Tate",
">\n\nYeah but again, ISN'T THE PURPOSE",
">\n\nWhat do you mean again? You didn’t say that before. And why does the purpose matter? You can do a bad thing without meaning to.",
">\n\nI meant to say isn't that the purpose lol mb",
">\n\nOh lol I probably should have realized that. But I think the point of the insult was to offend Andrew Tate.",
">\n\nFair. Trying to not say anything about him one way or another so I don't get downvoted to hell.",
">\n\nGreta lost that argument. She literally has like a hundred things Tate has said and done she could attack. Easy target... The one thing she chose to do is to body shame the man. It's just name calling. It's not a refutation of Tate. If anything it makes her sound stupid for her inability to come up with a refutation.",
">\n\nExactly. But people are just cheering her on and laughing along without grasping the nuance of the situation.",
">\n\nI think you are kinda missing the point. People know it offensive. The issue is that they don't care.",
">\n\nPeople used to make fun of small tits all the time. Remember the 90s? Remember the itty bitty titty committee? I don't know if that's a thing any more, but skinny women with no butts are definitely not seen as attractive. It's not fair. It's not their fault. People need to stop shaming themselves and eachother, and accept all bodies. Until then, \"small dick energy\" won't cease to be an insult. I guess the difference is people are sort of \"punching up\" since it's always been people with dicks who have the power in this world. I've never heard a dude say that another dude has \"small dick energy.\" It's always a woman saying that. Either way I think it's dumb but I get it. I've always thought \"Karen\" was a dumb insult too. Not someone's fault they were named Karen, LOL.",
">\n\nAndrew insulted her. He was asking for this insult. She was totally in the right. She wasn’t trying to shame anyone else. You’re asking for this insult too.",
">\n\nIsn't it more offensive for small pp folk, that there is a guy who base his entire existence on top of an argument that being an alpha, prime male is the most important thing in the world, and you need to be a testosterone bomb gorilla to have any kind of value. Isn't that argument disregards small dick guys in the first place?",
">\n\nAnd Greta just reinforced it with her reply. Do you see the problem now?\nEdit:replaced \"comment\" with \"reply\"",
">\n\nI believe I've already made a statement about what the problem is.",
">\n\nThen do you understand why Greta's reply is offensive and playing into Andrew Tate's hands?",
">\n\nLol this is twitter. There is no playing into each other's hands. Get outside.",
">\n\nOh look. Greta is human. Someone who spent a lot of her growing up time trying to educate people.\nIf she was in a bar and some doofus made a pass, she's just asserting herself. Age and context. Good on her.",
">\n\nIt is actually been studied. Men with small penises actually do have less energy- testosterone or something.",
">\n\nBeing offended by anything is each person's individual choice. If something is offensive to you, then simply choose to not be offended by it. It's truly that simple.",
">\n\nSo there is no such thing as hate speech?",
">\n\nNo, I didn't say that. Someone can certainly say something to someone that they hate with words that they feel will harm them mentally. That is \"hate speech\". The point I was trying to make is that we all as individuals have the choice to react to whatever someone says in whatever way we choose to react. If I feel offended by something that someone is saying, it is my choice to be offended by it.",
">\n\nI pretty much agree, but now we come to who decides. Does the person doing the talking decide whether it is hate speech? Or the person being talked at?",
">\n\nThere is no decision. The person who is talking thinks that what they are saying is not hateful, or they do. The person being talked at thinks that what the other person is saying is hateful, or they don't. The point is that it only matters if you make it matter to you. For example, if I say you are the dumbest person on earth, am I committing the crime of hate speech? Are you the dumbest person on earth? Probably not. But maybe I believe that you are. Does that make it true? If so, then it's not hate speech it's the truth...to me. If you, personally, believe that you are not the dumbest person on earth, then why would you concern yourself with what my dumbass has to say? To you, I'm the dumbest person on earth. I hope I'm getting my point across here.",
">\n\nSo we agree then? No laws regarding hate speech at all. You just ignore it and move on.",
">\n\nYes, sir.",
">\n\nYup",
">\n\nWhat if I say that I am offended that you are offended that you say \"small dick energy\" is offensive to men that are insecure about their size? Say I'm a man with a huge, massive dong. Say it's been a huge issue for me all my life. Let's say, hypothetically, that I am hugely insecure about the massive size of my dong and it's given me problems all my life. Every time I, hypothetically, go for a jog it's constantly flopping all over the place chaffing up my leg. Every time I have sex it's always this huge issue and only like half of the thing can go in before the receiver is like \"oh my god, stop, that's too much!\" Every time I receive oral sex, anything more than an inch beyond the tip causes a gag reflex. Does that sound exciting to you? Here you are bragging about your completely normal sized penis and all your normal sized penis sex and here this hypothetical person with a huge massive dong has all these issues. I can see how a hypothetical person with this debilitating issue would take offense that you take offense.",
">\n\nShe's an edgelord",
">\n\nreddit",
">\n\nSounds like a skill issue",
">\n\nDo you really get that offended? It's not like males themselves haven't sexualized females and their bodies and have said even worse and more common things about them? But we get offended over sum small? pun intended",
">\n\n“Some males have sexualized females therefore it’s fine for society to make fun of penis size.”",
">\n\nSociety? I don't see everyone (which represents society) doing it 😂 maybe you are focusing too much on negativity and that's all you see",
">\n\nSaying “small dick energy” is inherently a negative thing because it’s an insult. It also implies that there’s something bad about less endowed people because Tate is being compared to that demographic. \nWhen I say society, I mean that a decent percentage of people have “____ dick energy” built into their vocabulary to the point where the meaning of these terms is widely agreed on and it loses it’s direct connection to the penis. This doesn’t mean that the term is appropriate to use though since it originated from actual body shaming.",
">\n\nBattle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.",
">\n\nI think you should consider the situation at hand and less the use of insults as an absolute \nAndrew Tate absolutely deserves it",
">\n\nthe post its about the insult. \n\"Yeah I called this person a N... but lets focus on how bad that person is!!\"\nThe insult not only its very inflammatory (shows patriarcal estigmas,Its body shaming, reinforces toxic masculinity)\nIts also an extremely weak answer, its a groundless ad hominem. I would dare to argue the insult talks more about breta and his internalized toxic patriarcal estigmas than anything against tate.",
">\n\nGreta didn't start this. He was harassing her.",
">\n\n\"He started it\" -That's a toddler's excuse lmao",
">\n\nSo, in your opinion, Greta would have insulted him whether he had harassed her first, or not?",
">\n\nHer insulting him isn't the problem here. Its how she insulted him that's problematic.",
">\n\nWell, if he didn't want to be insulted, he could've done pretty much anything else with his time. I love the way you think people should be able to gatekeep how other people should hurt the feelings of people who are harassing them.",
">\n\nI'm not defending him or saying his feelings are hurt or that he doesn't deserve the insult. You're completely missing the point of this post and what we've been discussing. \n\"Body shaming is acceptable when it's directed at people we don't like\"- this is the hypocrisy that's being pointed out. It's not about who's better Tate or Greta but it's the bigger issue of shaming men's insecurities without any regard to their mental health. Do you get it now?",
">\n\nI think I do. It hadn't occurred to me that you might have a small penis. My apologies. Perhaps just as Greta Thurnberg travels the world as an advocate for awareness of Climate Change, you can break down the stereotype that people with small penises have energy. You should probably do as little as possible, though, since you don't want to be accused of having \"energy.\"",
">\n\nWasted my time replying after your \"he started it\" comment smh. Toddler mentality gugu gaga talk to me after you understand the issue.\nEdit: issue",
">\n\nI'm sorry about your peepee. But you have taught me not to trust stereotypes. And learning is fundamental.",
">\n\nI almost forgot. Please don't use the word toddler. It's offensive to small children.",
">\n\nFirst of all \"small dick energy\" shames the energy, not the small dick. It shames the fact to be insecure by your dick size (which is a metaphor for being insecure about your masculinity in general) and overcompensate by doing big manly stuff. It doesn't shame the fact to have a small dick.\nYou can argue that it is as bad, but it's important to understand that.",
">\n\nDon't be a cunt mate.",
">\n\nTechnically yes its body shaming but it's not that big a deal I think",
">\n\nIt has more to do with how they're acting rather than actual anatomy size.",
">\n\ncouple things: small dicks is one of the things about men that men tend to care about to an obsessive degree, that women do to a way lesser degree but pretend to, because men typically like to have a very braggadocious and obnoxious attitude about everything. this tate guy is that to the nth degree. so i mean if anyone deserves being called \"SDE\" its this tate guy \nsecond thing is that people who genuinely do have small dicks don't own that they have what they do; they lie about it. people who really do own that they have small dicks aren't made fun of for having them, because its not funny; the whole point is that you're lying about it and pretending like you're some big shot stud asshole, when you're not. if you own that you have a small dick, then ironically, you don't have \"SDE\"; you own what you have, you're not overcompensating and pretending to be something you're not. \nso if greta thunburg was to call, say, howard stern \"SDE\", a dude who owns that he has a small dick and makes fun of himself for it, then it wouldn't be funny. and howard stern even IS a braggadocious asshole. andrew tate is just wayyyyy more of one, and he pretend like he's god's gift to women. \nin general when it comes to \"oh poor men won't anybody think of the men\" i just cringe. i'm not the most liberal guy. but conservative guys just reappropriating the oppression olympics self-victimization shit and applying it to themselves is just pathetic.",
">\n\nSmall dick guy here... I always felt like guys like Howard Stern were compensating for it by self-loathing comedy. That's a big thing comedians do in general, and so to me it's always hard to say a guy truly doesn't care about it just because he's joking about it. On the other hand, maybe I'm just projecting, because I'll poke fun at my tiny pecker and not really care if someone makes fun of me for it, but it also does truly bother me a little bit when I hear things like, \"Oh that guy is an asshole, he must be mad because he has a tiny dick.\" Like... As if all us small guys are just furious that we aren't gonna win the dick-measuring contest that we let it affect our daily lives. It's a matter of extremes I think. I'm sure there's some guys with small ones that genuinely don't give a single fuck, and others who let it influence their entire lives, but I think most men with a small wang living in a society which implies that's a bad thing are going to end up somewhere in the middle of the scale.\nThe people I really feel bad for are the young people. Growing up with a small dick is a million times harder than being an adult with one. For the most part, nobody really cares if you're a grown man that's small, but when you're a teenager you feel like everybody cares. I had a really hard time wanting to pursue girls because of it, always worried about what their reaction would be, is they'd tell their girlfriends and it would get back to the other guys, etc. And that DOES happen... I remember being at the lunch table and someone saying, 'Did you hear Mike's dick is only x inches?\" and I'd be sitting there like, an inch shorter than Mike and pretending that I found it as funny as everyone else around the table. It didn't really hit me until I was much older that I probably wasn't the only one at the table doing that. Plus I always thought it was weird like, at least that was evidence \"Mike\" was getting some, why should he care if it was small? It wasn't until I got over it and had a few flings and girlfriends that I realized it made such a little difference (pun intended) than what I had built it up to in my mind.\nSo I mean... Yeah, I think some guys do truly have small dick energy, but all that means is they're insecure and I think it kind of sucks that people don't think about the feelings of people who had no part of the fight who get their feelings hurt as collateral damage, and that somehow just because of the douche the insult was leveled at we go, \"Haha you feel insecure about your body!\"\nOne thing it makes me think about that I'm guilty of is calling guys closet-cases. Yeah, I am just trying to point out they're overcompensating about things because they are ashamed of their sexuality, but I don't really take a pause and think, \"Wow, I bet that makes the people actually in the closet feel like shit.\" In some ways, I think it's even worse than just simple body shaming that as a society we're going around making fun of people for issues that could very well be deep seeded mental health issues, or could become so.",
">\n\nidk i just think that the only people being accused of having small dicks are people who are so obnoxious that it feels like they're compensating, like this guy. so sure its \"body shaming\", but a) body shaming is just something that happens that idk if we can ever really do anything about, because human beings value different body parts differently, and b) its only really shaming people because of their behavior, not their bodies. its shaming their behavior, by implying something about their bodies that would be embarrassing particularly for a person who is displaying this behavior, like tate does, because somebody that obsessed with getting chicks would probably be extremely concerned if people thought he had a small dick.",
">\n\nYeah that's the thing though, for me it really bothers me more that people think I'm going around being an asshole, driving a huge truck or otherwise trying to compensate just because my dick is small. I can also see the idea that it implies that having a small dick is bad. I mean just the idea that you can 'accuse' anyone of it implies there's something wrong with it.\nI mean, to me that's easier to hand-wave the idea that there's something wrong with it since I've had enough lived experience to know it doesn't matter. However, I feel like there's probably a lot of people out there who haven't who are still really hung up on it, particularly young people. I know I already brought up homosexuality, but it reminds me of when people use to say you shouldn't call things gay because it puts a negative connotation on homosexuality. Speaking of that, there's that phrase, \"It gets better,\" that is used to comfort/console LGTBQ youths and I think it should be applied to body-image issues too--whether that be penis size, breast size, weight, whatever. Looking back on my life, it was definitely the insecurities that negatively effected me far more than my actual size ever did. \nBut yeah I also feel like there's kind of a lot of people just trying to paint this as her being caught being a hypocrite or something, and I agree with you that I especially hate it when men frame it as some kind of, \"Oh look, see, we're oppressed too. So much for feminism!\" kind of argument.\nI guess I just see both sides of it.",
">\n\nVery well put. I honestly think you have changed some minds today. Hopefully more people stop and think before blindly defending someone they look up to.",
">\n\nI have a small dick, it's fine",
">\n\nThat's the point.",
">\n\nNo shit.",
">\n\n\"small dick energy\" isn't mocking someone for their penis size but for behaving in a way that they are compensating for insecurities and people like Tait measure their masculinity in \"I own cars\" is the epitome of trying to mask insecurities",
">\n\nI think the point about \"energy\" keeps being ignored. \nYou can have a small dick, but with thoughtfulness and confidence never have \"small dick energy\"\nYou can have a big schlong and be a needy jerkstore which gives you \"small dick energy\"\nAnd you can be like Andrew Tate and have a very small one and have \"small dick energy\" and be an absolute creepy, dumbass attention goblin.\nThe grand majority of people don't give a flip about the size of your dick. People with dicks care about the size of their own dick. It's the assumption that everyone cares as much as they do about their dick that's the real problem.",
">\n\nSo you agree the stereotype is false ..... and hurtful. If it's really an assumption as you say then people won't use \"tiny dick\" as an insult on people they don't like right? If no one really cares then there's no need to use it as an insult anyway right? Right??\nBut they do because it's socially acceptable to body shame men for some reason. Just see the tweet posts in other subs and their comments section laughing along, cheering her on and poking fun at men who have small penises and the stereotypes associated with such."
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If the size is irrelevant, why associate being small with only negative traits and being big with only positive traits? You can't, and you could just say that being smaller makes you a bad person. It would be more honest. I'm sure people dealing with insecurities appreciate being associated with a human trafficker...
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"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult.",
">\n\nIt's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh.",
">\n\nHonestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV",
">\n\nPeople can make mistakes and this was one of them.. so we can all just criticize her reply fairly and move on. No need for acute mental gymnastics to defend her as this comments section is showing lmao.",
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">\n\nI don't think anyone is arguing it's not offensive. I'm pretty sure she was trying to offend insecure men. Apparently with great success.",
">\n\nShe was trying to offend men who were insecure about their body image?\nHow is that not body shaming?",
">\n\nIt is, but we playing the avoidance and rationalization game",
">\n\nbecause women invented \"small dick energy\"\nharsh, sad. but we go jim🗿",
">\n\nOP never mentioned women tho. Post is strictly about why it's offensive. Do you disagree that it's not offensive or you think it's a trivial matter to make fun of that men's mental health doesn't matter as much?",
">\n\nThe female equivalent is\n\"Loose Pussy Energy\".\nThe typical man-hate hypocrisy commonly going around is beyond obvious. And it is an attack on All men and boys not just some.",
">\n\nNot a disagreement per se, but also worth noting that it’s transphobic. Which is to say, it insults all men by reinforcing patriarchy and punching down to two groups of men.",
">\n\nShe said small dick energy. Not that he had a small dick (though, come on). She used that phrase BECAUSE it's Tate. She's not a moron.\nHe is, as evidenced by his life to this point and his two responses to Thunberg, which were epically pathetic, is a moron and didn't seem to get it, though he doesn't get a lot.",
">\n\nThis is worse than saying he has a small dick, because how would she know, and that would just be dismissed as stupid.\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\nI can't understand the mental gymnastics some people are doing to try and say this isn't body shaming.",
">\n\n\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\n\nI mean yeah -- kind of like how pussy is an insult denoting cowardice, cunt is an insult meaning basically, terrible, etc., \nShe used that on purpose. Are you making CMV every time you see someone calling someone else a pussy?",
">\n\nPussy is kind of already known to be a shitty gendered insult so it doesn't need a CMV. In this case, Greta's gendered \"having a small penis is bad\" tweet is massively amplified, reached r/all on a shitload of subs, etc. so some discussion about whether or not that is cool is warranted",
">\n\nSmall dick energy isn’t about having a small dick tho. It’s a reflection of an attitude that men who are offensive, aggressive, nasty to people are overcompensating for their insecurities. A small dick doesn’t mean you won’t be able to find a partner or that you’re any less of a man. Being a downright trash bag of a human to others, like in this instance where an internet edgelord is cyber bullying a teenager on the internet who is fighting for the survival of our planet/humanity is an example of this trash behavior, is more of a determining factor. \nYou can also have a small dick but have big dick energy, as it’s reflective of who you are as a person. It’s an attitude. It’s who you choose to be to yourself and others. Hell, there’s women who use the term that they have big dick energy and I can tell you those women’s dicks are none existent so therefore size isn’t a thing. \nNo one should be made fun of for something they had no control over. The worth of a man is not tied to the size of his penis. Although, toxic masculinity and shallow people will tell you different. They say the same for disabled people, fat people etc. There’s plenty of people who are not “conventional standards of beauty” which is the majority of us, that lead happy, healthy relationships. Those relationships start with yourself and understanding your worth as a person isn’t tied to what you look like or how big your junk is. \nThe point is if you choose to be a trash person like Tate, where your self worth is tied into how cruel/offensive you can be to other people, don’t be mad if people call you out for that trashy attitude. Your post definitely reeks of “men are the true victims” when clearly you didn’t seem to have a problem with a grown man cyber bullying a teenager.",
">\n\nI like how you imply that OP is a fan of a literal human trafficker because they point out that a body-shaming insult is body-shaming. Do you understand why associating a trait of someone's body with negative personality traits is bad?",
">\n\nNo because people like this always have exceptions that allow them to use the things they complain about. Cognitive gymnastics allows them to recognise shaming women and people of colour is bad, because society will eat them otherwise, but when someone shows up who deserves a bit of a roasting all of their social etiquette rules go out the window and the excuses come out as to why in this context it doesn't count.\n\"Ahh no, here it is a reflection of an attitude\" blah blah 3 paragraphs later and we've clouded over the simple fact that body shaming is body shaming and harms people you weren't intending to insult.",
">\n\nPeople like this? You’re assuming things about me because I am a character in your mind not a real person. I am not a monolith. We should not be body shaming people. I am explaining the other side of this issue and why people use these terms. You never asked if I use these same terms in my life. You assumed I do. I don’t. You didn’t even bother to read my response because if you did you would have realized this.",
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">\n\nYou can have smol pp but big pp energy and vice versa",
">\n\nSo why is the phrase small dick energy if it has nothing to do with having a small dick?",
">\n\nIdk man, I just work here.",
">\n\nYou know why. Lol cause small dick is associated with bad. And by insulting dicks you use this knowledge to offend, at the cost of body shaming people. \nStop feigning dumb just to avoid the reasoning lol",
">\n\nI can see how it would be offensive, and I wouldn’t use it myself. I feel like the phrase refers more to how someone acts as opposed to how they are endowed. And how it’s behavior and actions that make people think down of you not your penis.",
">\n\nPoint is that we, as a society, should encourage better insults that attack the comments of the person without necessarily having to equate it to something someone with a small dick.",
">\n\nWould you agree with me, that if Andrew clapped back with one of those that the internet would be up in arms about it?",
">\n\nYou mean the way that you are, here, on the internet, up in arms?",
">\n\nIm one person on reddit, theres no major backlash like there would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\nSee, what's happening here is that you are also looking at people who are \"one person on Reddit\" and pretending it's a major backlash. Andrew Tate says fucked up things about women all the time (in fact, it's kind of his whole schtick) and it's as much of a non-event as this is.",
">\n\nPlease link me to something fucked up hes said about women, and ill agree with you, two wrongs don't make a right.",
">\n\nHere's exhibit A.",
">\n\nSure I agree with you he has said fucked up stuff about women, it doesn't mean its okay to make a joke about small dick energy.\nDo you understand my point?",
">\n\nWe understand, it's just that your point is fucking stupid",
">\n\nYou have no idea what his point is, it's funny that people on this thread OP and others actually like Andrew Tate.\nIt proves that everyone is completely frothingly tribalistic with zero nuance.",
">\n\nIf someone is behaving insufferably, people are going to laugh at them for things that they wouldn’t find funny if it happened to someone they liked.\nFor example, is it funny when people go bankrupt? No. Would it be funny if someone like Andrew Tate went bankrupt after boasting about Bugattis and all of his mass wealth? Yes. This doesn’t mean people who would make fun of him for that are making fun of poverty or all people who lose their livelihoods, it would just be funny if it happened to that particular person. \nIn the same way, the idea that Tate does all the douchey, over the top macho things that he does in order to compensate for having a small penis is funny, whilst it not being funny to make fun of every person who has a small penis.",
">\n\nSubstitute fat. Is that ok?",
">\n\nDepends on what the fat person is doing. If the person is minding their own business then no, if the fat person is attacking other people’s appearances then yeah go for it.",
">\n\nInteresting take. Might want to play with that a bit. A lot of situations where your reasoning falls apart.",
">\n\nPeople insulted Trump for being fat when he tried to say he was like the most fit person ever. People make fun of Elon Musk's body. You can make the same type of insult to two different people and it come off two different ways. \nWhen you make your identity or argument around something it opens up certain insults and comebacks. \nTate's whole thing is trying to act like this \"alpha male\" when in reality he's a sex trafficking weirdo who pays women to hang out with him. It's totally fine to insult him with a childish insult. \nI also find that people worried or mad about this don't actually care about body image issues. They just want a gotcha moment for people. Because many would have shitty takes about fat people or whine about pc culture.",
">\n\nWhen you call some MF that doesn't necessarily mean you are a MF... I'm not saying it's okay to say abusing words but we still do use them.\nI don't think she said it in literal terms, it was completely literary. Also she only said it cause it was Tate who she said it to. Also if a woman has small tits and someone said to someone else that they have small tits energy, I don't think one who actually has small tits would mind it, cause she is not involved and it's kinda perfect way of irritating Tate.. cause he really cares about these things. \nWhen it comes to increasing the insecurity of someone who actually has small D and is insecure about it... She couldn't think so far cause all she wanted was to irritate Tate and she was successful",
">\n\nI don't think it even irritated him if that was her goal but definitely helped him with popularity. It just proves what he says people think of insecure men, it just moves them to him and he gains more influence. It was an ignorant reply in poor taste. Someone with much following and influence as Greta shouldn't be as irresponsible and the followers shouldn't be having to do mental gymnastics to defend her instead of seeing it as it is: body shaming against men.",
">\n\nIs this some kind of weird meta-game? Are Andrew Tate fans pretending to actually be offended by this stupid insult to prove a point? Does anybody actually think her retort was any sharper than a brick wrapped in a wet blanket?\nWhat is going on here?!",
">\n\n\nWhat is going on here?!\n\nAndrew Tate fans have a lot of small dick energy. That's whats going on.",
">\n\nWhy are people not allowed dislike tate (he's an absolute idiot and a grifter) and also to criticize obvious body shaming from a supposed progressive? If Biden started talking about \"N*gger energy\" criticizing Kanye for antisemitism, would that be ok in your eyes? Would you say that a black guy who doesn't like that must be an angry Kanye fan? Or is it disgustingly offensive towards all African Americans to use that type of language no matter what?",
">\n\nBecause it suits their narrative to frame it as if people are just defending tate. It's easier than just actually defending body shaming. Done deal.",
">\n\nI think Greta used that phrase not because she actually believes or wants to promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior, but because people like Andrew Tate believe and promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior. If Andrew Tate gets hurt because Greta says he has small dick energy, then maybe -- just maybe, with the tiniest bit of introspection -- he'll come to realize how hateful some of his language is.\nBullies like Andrew Tate don't really respond to logic or pleas for sympathy. The only way to maybe make them understand the hurt they cause is to inflict it on them, because they don't care about anyone but themselves. \nSo instead of putting the cart before the horse and blaming Greta for using an offensive phrase as an argumentative tactic, maybe blame the people who use the phrase to actually demean people.",
">\n\nCan we substitute fat instead and be justified?",
">\n\nYes people did that with Trump when he claimed to be the fittest person ever basically. If someone has a habit of insulting people a certain way or making certain claims then they open themselves up to specific insults. \nSometimes we'd find those insults not tasteful if said to other people. But I feel like most people equating this to fat insults don't actually care about fat people. A lot of people would also be like oh things are getting too pc or soft or woke when it comes to body positivity towards fat people. So for me it's hard to buy this line of reasoning as being truly valid or caring.",
">\n\nNo one said it has to be authentic caring. This sub is for exploring the intellectual arguments. Your perception of how authentic someone’s feelings towards fat people is basically irrelevant. Argue the point or don’t. Passing your authenticity test is a wierd standard to try to argue for.",
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">\n\nYes, making insults is offensive. That's the point.\nInsults that reference a body part are also offensive to people who are insecure about that body part. That's also kinda obvious.\nWhat do you want your mind changed about here? I'm unclear about what you think can be discussed about an insult meant to be insulting. Are you arguing that this insult is especially wrong in some way?\nHow is this not just you soapboxing?",
">\n\nThere's a reason as a society we don't use insults like \"retard\". This is in the same vein. You're attributing a negative thing with a man having a small penis. This is harmful as it perpetuates the stigma surrounding penis size which is outside ones control. Essentially it degrades a group of people who have nothing to do with it. OP wants to know whether or not this is reconciled. Reading the comments... It has not been. \nMaking gendered insults doesn't bother me truthfully but I can understand the frustration OP is expressing because were it to be a man making some edgy reference to a woman's lady parts being inadequate as a way to demean them then everyone would be outraged as opposed to cheering it on.",
">\n\nUsing “small dick” as an insult, or “loose pussy” isn’t really offensive unless you are insecure about the physical viability of your reproductive organs. \nBut, that doesn’t make it funny. It’s a really juvenile and uncreative way of ridiculing someone.",
">\n\nInsecure women are offended when they're fat shamed.\nIt's still body shaming.\nIt's still wrong.",
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">\n\nGuy randomly decides to flex on her by saying I HAVE CARS AND I LIKE TO GO VROOOOM. It's like when Piers decides that it's absolutely important to eat meat in front of vegans. It's not about penis size. It's just that smalldickenergy is a perfect explanation of why would someone decide to behave like this.",
">\n\nShe is 19. Maybe in a few years she will have more mature insults. It’s a lot of pressure to be put on someone so young to also say the perfect thing all the time",
">\n\nUnder nearly all circumstances, I agree with you.\nHowever, for a lot of people who have built a cult of personality around any given ideal, insults of the inoffensive type are completely commonplace. All they have to do is fend off one or two instances of this PG rated attacks, strawman them, call them snowflakes, and their following is bolstered and enhanced. Instead of having any negative effect, it becomes part of their inherent power.\nSometimes if you want to rattle a cult leader you have to hit with precision their most critical weakness and watch them implode. The fact that Tate is squirming so hard and doing everything he can to reclaim some of his dignity after Greta's clapback means that she has his number. Great isn't saying that having a small dick is bad, but knowing that Tate's entire personality is built about being an alpha male and that calling into question the size of his member will hurt him the most is what she was after. \nOf course, it wasn't classy and could be offensive to some. But as the saying goes, sometimes you have to fight fire with fire.",
">\n\nReally is he squirming? \nHe's rich he's popular and now he's gotten someone he disagrees with to repeat his ideology and platform spreading it to a wider audience. \nI'd argue he's happy for the attention and popularity that she's given to him now and enjoying the increased sales in his business as more men who feel marginalized and left out join him seeing this hypocrisy playing out. Not to mention all the political players( internationally) who were against climate action seeing all this and aligning themselves appropriately, possibly propping him up and making him something more than what he actually is- An ignorant troll. \nEngage with a troll and you only give them more power. The tweet was dumb and people should know better.\nEdit: spacing",
">\n\nI'm not commenting on whether or not his fans will like him more or if the controversy will inadvertently grant him a wider audience. \nI'm commenting that Greta knew exactly where and how to hit him the hardest. Yes, he is definitely squirming. He has scrambled out half a dozen prepubescent \"I know you are but what am I\" tweets. Then he went and made the absolute cringiest response video. He's incensed by being talked down to by Greta and is overcompensating. \nDid her tweet have any net positive effect on society? No. Did it ruffle Tate's feathers and make his blood boil? Yea. Would he have even cared if she called him a misogynistic prick? Absolutely not. He would have just told her to sit down and shut up, that misogyny is made up by inferior women blah blah blah...\nInstead, his insecurities are eating him alive.",
">\n\nWhy even respond and give him attention that he so desperately craves? And why body shame men in the process? \nIf she didn't have a better insult she could have just went on with her life instead of helping him grow. Using \"small dick energy\" as an insult means implicitly we agree that people with small penises are inferior and undesirable. That's basically what Tate is on about ( Toxic masculinity). And by laughing at her tweet we all reinforce that perception. Do you get that? \nSick of double standards and hypocrisy. At least people should have the courage to own up and acknowledge it then move on instead of doubling down and performing mental gymnastics to justify an obvious case of body shaming.\nI agree with you on one thing that the net effect on society because of this tweet exchange is negative and only serves the people who Greta and her followers hate.",
">\n\nI think you are missing what I am saying. I fully agree that it wasn't necessary nor was it the right thing for Greta to do. I also agree that it just gives him attention and was overall a useless venture other for the entertainment of Tate haters.\nOP asked why it is okay. I stated that it isn't okay but that I understand why Greta took that road rather than the suggested non-offensive approach. It is because he's immune to it. What he isn't immune to is his masculinity and ego being questioned. What is the point of the Wolf continuing to blow on the brick house? None. To get to the scared little piggies inside he needs a jackhammer. \nAnd it worked exactly how she planned it to. He was rattled and anyone who hates Tate is amused. \nNot saying it's the right thing to do, nor do I want anyone to feel ashamed of the size of their penis.",
">\n\nOk.. thanks for elaborating on that. I misunderstood your comment as a disagreement and engaged to try and change your mind but seems we share the same view.",
">\n\nYou do not know what Greta is \"fully aware\" of. She is referring to character and behaviour, why are you taking this personally? She isn't speaking to you, hasn't seen you, doesn't know you. I don't know why you are externalizing your issue like this and waving it around in public, is it our responsibility to fix this for you?\nShe was just making a tiny joke. Relax. smalldickenergy @ getalife .com is hilarious.",
">\n\nAside from everything else, it's men who started the 'big dick energy' idiocy so to then complain when someone uses their own stupidity against them...",
">\n\nYeah because men are a monolith and we all meet in a room and know each other smh.",
">\n\nThey’re saying it’s offensive to more than just Andrew Tate",
">\n\nYeah but again, ISN'T THE PURPOSE",
">\n\nWhat do you mean again? You didn’t say that before. And why does the purpose matter? You can do a bad thing without meaning to.",
">\n\nI meant to say isn't that the purpose lol mb",
">\n\nOh lol I probably should have realized that. But I think the point of the insult was to offend Andrew Tate.",
">\n\nFair. Trying to not say anything about him one way or another so I don't get downvoted to hell.",
">\n\nGreta lost that argument. She literally has like a hundred things Tate has said and done she could attack. Easy target... The one thing she chose to do is to body shame the man. It's just name calling. It's not a refutation of Tate. If anything it makes her sound stupid for her inability to come up with a refutation.",
">\n\nExactly. But people are just cheering her on and laughing along without grasping the nuance of the situation.",
">\n\nI think you are kinda missing the point. People know it offensive. The issue is that they don't care.",
">\n\nPeople used to make fun of small tits all the time. Remember the 90s? Remember the itty bitty titty committee? I don't know if that's a thing any more, but skinny women with no butts are definitely not seen as attractive. It's not fair. It's not their fault. People need to stop shaming themselves and eachother, and accept all bodies. Until then, \"small dick energy\" won't cease to be an insult. I guess the difference is people are sort of \"punching up\" since it's always been people with dicks who have the power in this world. I've never heard a dude say that another dude has \"small dick energy.\" It's always a woman saying that. Either way I think it's dumb but I get it. I've always thought \"Karen\" was a dumb insult too. Not someone's fault they were named Karen, LOL.",
">\n\nAndrew insulted her. He was asking for this insult. She was totally in the right. She wasn’t trying to shame anyone else. You’re asking for this insult too.",
">\n\nIsn't it more offensive for small pp folk, that there is a guy who base his entire existence on top of an argument that being an alpha, prime male is the most important thing in the world, and you need to be a testosterone bomb gorilla to have any kind of value. Isn't that argument disregards small dick guys in the first place?",
">\n\nAnd Greta just reinforced it with her reply. Do you see the problem now?\nEdit:replaced \"comment\" with \"reply\"",
">\n\nI believe I've already made a statement about what the problem is.",
">\n\nThen do you understand why Greta's reply is offensive and playing into Andrew Tate's hands?",
">\n\nLol this is twitter. There is no playing into each other's hands. Get outside.",
">\n\nOh look. Greta is human. Someone who spent a lot of her growing up time trying to educate people.\nIf she was in a bar and some doofus made a pass, she's just asserting herself. Age and context. Good on her.",
">\n\nIt is actually been studied. Men with small penises actually do have less energy- testosterone or something.",
">\n\nBeing offended by anything is each person's individual choice. If something is offensive to you, then simply choose to not be offended by it. It's truly that simple.",
">\n\nSo there is no such thing as hate speech?",
">\n\nNo, I didn't say that. Someone can certainly say something to someone that they hate with words that they feel will harm them mentally. That is \"hate speech\". The point I was trying to make is that we all as individuals have the choice to react to whatever someone says in whatever way we choose to react. If I feel offended by something that someone is saying, it is my choice to be offended by it.",
">\n\nI pretty much agree, but now we come to who decides. Does the person doing the talking decide whether it is hate speech? Or the person being talked at?",
">\n\nThere is no decision. The person who is talking thinks that what they are saying is not hateful, or they do. The person being talked at thinks that what the other person is saying is hateful, or they don't. The point is that it only matters if you make it matter to you. For example, if I say you are the dumbest person on earth, am I committing the crime of hate speech? Are you the dumbest person on earth? Probably not. But maybe I believe that you are. Does that make it true? If so, then it's not hate speech it's the truth...to me. If you, personally, believe that you are not the dumbest person on earth, then why would you concern yourself with what my dumbass has to say? To you, I'm the dumbest person on earth. I hope I'm getting my point across here.",
">\n\nSo we agree then? No laws regarding hate speech at all. You just ignore it and move on.",
">\n\nYes, sir.",
">\n\nYup",
">\n\nWhat if I say that I am offended that you are offended that you say \"small dick energy\" is offensive to men that are insecure about their size? Say I'm a man with a huge, massive dong. Say it's been a huge issue for me all my life. Let's say, hypothetically, that I am hugely insecure about the massive size of my dong and it's given me problems all my life. Every time I, hypothetically, go for a jog it's constantly flopping all over the place chaffing up my leg. Every time I have sex it's always this huge issue and only like half of the thing can go in before the receiver is like \"oh my god, stop, that's too much!\" Every time I receive oral sex, anything more than an inch beyond the tip causes a gag reflex. Does that sound exciting to you? Here you are bragging about your completely normal sized penis and all your normal sized penis sex and here this hypothetical person with a huge massive dong has all these issues. I can see how a hypothetical person with this debilitating issue would take offense that you take offense.",
">\n\nShe's an edgelord",
">\n\nreddit",
">\n\nSounds like a skill issue",
">\n\nDo you really get that offended? It's not like males themselves haven't sexualized females and their bodies and have said even worse and more common things about them? But we get offended over sum small? pun intended",
">\n\n“Some males have sexualized females therefore it’s fine for society to make fun of penis size.”",
">\n\nSociety? I don't see everyone (which represents society) doing it 😂 maybe you are focusing too much on negativity and that's all you see",
">\n\nSaying “small dick energy” is inherently a negative thing because it’s an insult. It also implies that there’s something bad about less endowed people because Tate is being compared to that demographic. \nWhen I say society, I mean that a decent percentage of people have “____ dick energy” built into their vocabulary to the point where the meaning of these terms is widely agreed on and it loses it’s direct connection to the penis. This doesn’t mean that the term is appropriate to use though since it originated from actual body shaming.",
">\n\nBattle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.",
">\n\nI think you should consider the situation at hand and less the use of insults as an absolute \nAndrew Tate absolutely deserves it",
">\n\nthe post its about the insult. \n\"Yeah I called this person a N... but lets focus on how bad that person is!!\"\nThe insult not only its very inflammatory (shows patriarcal estigmas,Its body shaming, reinforces toxic masculinity)\nIts also an extremely weak answer, its a groundless ad hominem. I would dare to argue the insult talks more about breta and his internalized toxic patriarcal estigmas than anything against tate.",
">\n\nGreta didn't start this. He was harassing her.",
">\n\n\"He started it\" -That's a toddler's excuse lmao",
">\n\nSo, in your opinion, Greta would have insulted him whether he had harassed her first, or not?",
">\n\nHer insulting him isn't the problem here. Its how she insulted him that's problematic.",
">\n\nWell, if he didn't want to be insulted, he could've done pretty much anything else with his time. I love the way you think people should be able to gatekeep how other people should hurt the feelings of people who are harassing them.",
">\n\nI'm not defending him or saying his feelings are hurt or that he doesn't deserve the insult. You're completely missing the point of this post and what we've been discussing. \n\"Body shaming is acceptable when it's directed at people we don't like\"- this is the hypocrisy that's being pointed out. It's not about who's better Tate or Greta but it's the bigger issue of shaming men's insecurities without any regard to their mental health. Do you get it now?",
">\n\nI think I do. It hadn't occurred to me that you might have a small penis. My apologies. Perhaps just as Greta Thurnberg travels the world as an advocate for awareness of Climate Change, you can break down the stereotype that people with small penises have energy. You should probably do as little as possible, though, since you don't want to be accused of having \"energy.\"",
">\n\nWasted my time replying after your \"he started it\" comment smh. Toddler mentality gugu gaga talk to me after you understand the issue.\nEdit: issue",
">\n\nI'm sorry about your peepee. But you have taught me not to trust stereotypes. And learning is fundamental.",
">\n\nI almost forgot. Please don't use the word toddler. It's offensive to small children.",
">\n\nFirst of all \"small dick energy\" shames the energy, not the small dick. It shames the fact to be insecure by your dick size (which is a metaphor for being insecure about your masculinity in general) and overcompensate by doing big manly stuff. It doesn't shame the fact to have a small dick.\nYou can argue that it is as bad, but it's important to understand that.",
">\n\nDon't be a cunt mate.",
">\n\nTechnically yes its body shaming but it's not that big a deal I think",
">\n\nIt has more to do with how they're acting rather than actual anatomy size.",
">\n\ncouple things: small dicks is one of the things about men that men tend to care about to an obsessive degree, that women do to a way lesser degree but pretend to, because men typically like to have a very braggadocious and obnoxious attitude about everything. this tate guy is that to the nth degree. so i mean if anyone deserves being called \"SDE\" its this tate guy \nsecond thing is that people who genuinely do have small dicks don't own that they have what they do; they lie about it. people who really do own that they have small dicks aren't made fun of for having them, because its not funny; the whole point is that you're lying about it and pretending like you're some big shot stud asshole, when you're not. if you own that you have a small dick, then ironically, you don't have \"SDE\"; you own what you have, you're not overcompensating and pretending to be something you're not. \nso if greta thunburg was to call, say, howard stern \"SDE\", a dude who owns that he has a small dick and makes fun of himself for it, then it wouldn't be funny. and howard stern even IS a braggadocious asshole. andrew tate is just wayyyyy more of one, and he pretend like he's god's gift to women. \nin general when it comes to \"oh poor men won't anybody think of the men\" i just cringe. i'm not the most liberal guy. but conservative guys just reappropriating the oppression olympics self-victimization shit and applying it to themselves is just pathetic.",
">\n\nSmall dick guy here... I always felt like guys like Howard Stern were compensating for it by self-loathing comedy. That's a big thing comedians do in general, and so to me it's always hard to say a guy truly doesn't care about it just because he's joking about it. On the other hand, maybe I'm just projecting, because I'll poke fun at my tiny pecker and not really care if someone makes fun of me for it, but it also does truly bother me a little bit when I hear things like, \"Oh that guy is an asshole, he must be mad because he has a tiny dick.\" Like... As if all us small guys are just furious that we aren't gonna win the dick-measuring contest that we let it affect our daily lives. It's a matter of extremes I think. I'm sure there's some guys with small ones that genuinely don't give a single fuck, and others who let it influence their entire lives, but I think most men with a small wang living in a society which implies that's a bad thing are going to end up somewhere in the middle of the scale.\nThe people I really feel bad for are the young people. Growing up with a small dick is a million times harder than being an adult with one. For the most part, nobody really cares if you're a grown man that's small, but when you're a teenager you feel like everybody cares. I had a really hard time wanting to pursue girls because of it, always worried about what their reaction would be, is they'd tell their girlfriends and it would get back to the other guys, etc. And that DOES happen... I remember being at the lunch table and someone saying, 'Did you hear Mike's dick is only x inches?\" and I'd be sitting there like, an inch shorter than Mike and pretending that I found it as funny as everyone else around the table. It didn't really hit me until I was much older that I probably wasn't the only one at the table doing that. Plus I always thought it was weird like, at least that was evidence \"Mike\" was getting some, why should he care if it was small? It wasn't until I got over it and had a few flings and girlfriends that I realized it made such a little difference (pun intended) than what I had built it up to in my mind.\nSo I mean... Yeah, I think some guys do truly have small dick energy, but all that means is they're insecure and I think it kind of sucks that people don't think about the feelings of people who had no part of the fight who get their feelings hurt as collateral damage, and that somehow just because of the douche the insult was leveled at we go, \"Haha you feel insecure about your body!\"\nOne thing it makes me think about that I'm guilty of is calling guys closet-cases. Yeah, I am just trying to point out they're overcompensating about things because they are ashamed of their sexuality, but I don't really take a pause and think, \"Wow, I bet that makes the people actually in the closet feel like shit.\" In some ways, I think it's even worse than just simple body shaming that as a society we're going around making fun of people for issues that could very well be deep seeded mental health issues, or could become so.",
">\n\nidk i just think that the only people being accused of having small dicks are people who are so obnoxious that it feels like they're compensating, like this guy. so sure its \"body shaming\", but a) body shaming is just something that happens that idk if we can ever really do anything about, because human beings value different body parts differently, and b) its only really shaming people because of their behavior, not their bodies. its shaming their behavior, by implying something about their bodies that would be embarrassing particularly for a person who is displaying this behavior, like tate does, because somebody that obsessed with getting chicks would probably be extremely concerned if people thought he had a small dick.",
">\n\nYeah that's the thing though, for me it really bothers me more that people think I'm going around being an asshole, driving a huge truck or otherwise trying to compensate just because my dick is small. I can also see the idea that it implies that having a small dick is bad. I mean just the idea that you can 'accuse' anyone of it implies there's something wrong with it.\nI mean, to me that's easier to hand-wave the idea that there's something wrong with it since I've had enough lived experience to know it doesn't matter. However, I feel like there's probably a lot of people out there who haven't who are still really hung up on it, particularly young people. I know I already brought up homosexuality, but it reminds me of when people use to say you shouldn't call things gay because it puts a negative connotation on homosexuality. Speaking of that, there's that phrase, \"It gets better,\" that is used to comfort/console LGTBQ youths and I think it should be applied to body-image issues too--whether that be penis size, breast size, weight, whatever. Looking back on my life, it was definitely the insecurities that negatively effected me far more than my actual size ever did. \nBut yeah I also feel like there's kind of a lot of people just trying to paint this as her being caught being a hypocrite or something, and I agree with you that I especially hate it when men frame it as some kind of, \"Oh look, see, we're oppressed too. So much for feminism!\" kind of argument.\nI guess I just see both sides of it.",
">\n\nVery well put. I honestly think you have changed some minds today. Hopefully more people stop and think before blindly defending someone they look up to.",
">\n\nI have a small dick, it's fine",
">\n\nThat's the point.",
">\n\nNo shit.",
">\n\n\"small dick energy\" isn't mocking someone for their penis size but for behaving in a way that they are compensating for insecurities and people like Tait measure their masculinity in \"I own cars\" is the epitome of trying to mask insecurities",
">\n\nI think the point about \"energy\" keeps being ignored. \nYou can have a small dick, but with thoughtfulness and confidence never have \"small dick energy\"\nYou can have a big schlong and be a needy jerkstore which gives you \"small dick energy\"\nAnd you can be like Andrew Tate and have a very small one and have \"small dick energy\" and be an absolute creepy, dumbass attention goblin.\nThe grand majority of people don't give a flip about the size of your dick. People with dicks care about the size of their own dick. It's the assumption that everyone cares as much as they do about their dick that's the real problem.",
">\n\nSo you agree the stereotype is false ..... and hurtful. If it's really an assumption as you say then people won't use \"tiny dick\" as an insult on people they don't like right? If no one really cares then there's no need to use it as an insult anyway right? Right??\nBut they do because it's socially acceptable to body shame men for some reason. Just see the tweet posts in other subs and their comments section laughing along, cheering her on and poking fun at men who have small penises and the stereotypes associated with such.",
">\n\nI don't know how old you are but like.\nSaying small dick energy actually has anything to do with the size of someone's dick is like culturally irrelevant.\nLike you can have a tiny dick and still have big dick energy and you can have a big dick and have small dick energy.\nBecause, Most people who need to project their insecurities are insulted by the size assumption.\nIt's more about the idea of insulting someone by saying they're just trying to project masculinity. This is the same reason why being in small dick energy is really used in all circles and not just as a male centered insult.\nLike buck and stud lesbians love the fuck out of that term.\nPeople with a small dick who get insulted by the general idea of small dick energy as an insult need to deal with their own insecurities.\nI'd much rather have a small dick than small dick energy."
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Like I said I have a small dick and would rather have a small dick than have small dick energy.
The whole point is that the only people who care about size are people who are easily insecure.
It's because they care the people making the jokes know that size doesn't matter and they're not making fun of people who have small dicks they're making fun of the people who care so much about what the size of their dick is that an influences their entire self worth.
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"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult.",
">\n\nIt's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh.",
">\n\nHonestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV",
">\n\nPeople can make mistakes and this was one of them.. so we can all just criticize her reply fairly and move on. No need for acute mental gymnastics to defend her as this comments section is showing lmao.",
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">\n\nI don't think anyone is arguing it's not offensive. I'm pretty sure she was trying to offend insecure men. Apparently with great success.",
">\n\nShe was trying to offend men who were insecure about their body image?\nHow is that not body shaming?",
">\n\nIt is, but we playing the avoidance and rationalization game",
">\n\nbecause women invented \"small dick energy\"\nharsh, sad. but we go jim🗿",
">\n\nOP never mentioned women tho. Post is strictly about why it's offensive. Do you disagree that it's not offensive or you think it's a trivial matter to make fun of that men's mental health doesn't matter as much?",
">\n\nThe female equivalent is\n\"Loose Pussy Energy\".\nThe typical man-hate hypocrisy commonly going around is beyond obvious. And it is an attack on All men and boys not just some.",
">\n\nNot a disagreement per se, but also worth noting that it’s transphobic. Which is to say, it insults all men by reinforcing patriarchy and punching down to two groups of men.",
">\n\nShe said small dick energy. Not that he had a small dick (though, come on). She used that phrase BECAUSE it's Tate. She's not a moron.\nHe is, as evidenced by his life to this point and his two responses to Thunberg, which were epically pathetic, is a moron and didn't seem to get it, though he doesn't get a lot.",
">\n\nThis is worse than saying he has a small dick, because how would she know, and that would just be dismissed as stupid.\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\nI can't understand the mental gymnastics some people are doing to try and say this isn't body shaming.",
">\n\n\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\n\nI mean yeah -- kind of like how pussy is an insult denoting cowardice, cunt is an insult meaning basically, terrible, etc., \nShe used that on purpose. Are you making CMV every time you see someone calling someone else a pussy?",
">\n\nPussy is kind of already known to be a shitty gendered insult so it doesn't need a CMV. In this case, Greta's gendered \"having a small penis is bad\" tweet is massively amplified, reached r/all on a shitload of subs, etc. so some discussion about whether or not that is cool is warranted",
">\n\nSmall dick energy isn’t about having a small dick tho. It’s a reflection of an attitude that men who are offensive, aggressive, nasty to people are overcompensating for their insecurities. A small dick doesn’t mean you won’t be able to find a partner or that you’re any less of a man. Being a downright trash bag of a human to others, like in this instance where an internet edgelord is cyber bullying a teenager on the internet who is fighting for the survival of our planet/humanity is an example of this trash behavior, is more of a determining factor. \nYou can also have a small dick but have big dick energy, as it’s reflective of who you are as a person. It’s an attitude. It’s who you choose to be to yourself and others. Hell, there’s women who use the term that they have big dick energy and I can tell you those women’s dicks are none existent so therefore size isn’t a thing. \nNo one should be made fun of for something they had no control over. The worth of a man is not tied to the size of his penis. Although, toxic masculinity and shallow people will tell you different. They say the same for disabled people, fat people etc. There’s plenty of people who are not “conventional standards of beauty” which is the majority of us, that lead happy, healthy relationships. Those relationships start with yourself and understanding your worth as a person isn’t tied to what you look like or how big your junk is. \nThe point is if you choose to be a trash person like Tate, where your self worth is tied into how cruel/offensive you can be to other people, don’t be mad if people call you out for that trashy attitude. Your post definitely reeks of “men are the true victims” when clearly you didn’t seem to have a problem with a grown man cyber bullying a teenager.",
">\n\nI like how you imply that OP is a fan of a literal human trafficker because they point out that a body-shaming insult is body-shaming. Do you understand why associating a trait of someone's body with negative personality traits is bad?",
">\n\nNo because people like this always have exceptions that allow them to use the things they complain about. Cognitive gymnastics allows them to recognise shaming women and people of colour is bad, because society will eat them otherwise, but when someone shows up who deserves a bit of a roasting all of their social etiquette rules go out the window and the excuses come out as to why in this context it doesn't count.\n\"Ahh no, here it is a reflection of an attitude\" blah blah 3 paragraphs later and we've clouded over the simple fact that body shaming is body shaming and harms people you weren't intending to insult.",
">\n\nPeople like this? You’re assuming things about me because I am a character in your mind not a real person. I am not a monolith. We should not be body shaming people. I am explaining the other side of this issue and why people use these terms. You never asked if I use these same terms in my life. You assumed I do. I don’t. You didn’t even bother to read my response because if you did you would have realized this.",
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">\n\nYou can have smol pp but big pp energy and vice versa",
">\n\nSo why is the phrase small dick energy if it has nothing to do with having a small dick?",
">\n\nIdk man, I just work here.",
">\n\nYou know why. Lol cause small dick is associated with bad. And by insulting dicks you use this knowledge to offend, at the cost of body shaming people. \nStop feigning dumb just to avoid the reasoning lol",
">\n\nI can see how it would be offensive, and I wouldn’t use it myself. I feel like the phrase refers more to how someone acts as opposed to how they are endowed. And how it’s behavior and actions that make people think down of you not your penis.",
">\n\nPoint is that we, as a society, should encourage better insults that attack the comments of the person without necessarily having to equate it to something someone with a small dick.",
">\n\nWould you agree with me, that if Andrew clapped back with one of those that the internet would be up in arms about it?",
">\n\nYou mean the way that you are, here, on the internet, up in arms?",
">\n\nIm one person on reddit, theres no major backlash like there would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\nSee, what's happening here is that you are also looking at people who are \"one person on Reddit\" and pretending it's a major backlash. Andrew Tate says fucked up things about women all the time (in fact, it's kind of his whole schtick) and it's as much of a non-event as this is.",
">\n\nPlease link me to something fucked up hes said about women, and ill agree with you, two wrongs don't make a right.",
">\n\nHere's exhibit A.",
">\n\nSure I agree with you he has said fucked up stuff about women, it doesn't mean its okay to make a joke about small dick energy.\nDo you understand my point?",
">\n\nWe understand, it's just that your point is fucking stupid",
">\n\nYou have no idea what his point is, it's funny that people on this thread OP and others actually like Andrew Tate.\nIt proves that everyone is completely frothingly tribalistic with zero nuance.",
">\n\nIf someone is behaving insufferably, people are going to laugh at them for things that they wouldn’t find funny if it happened to someone they liked.\nFor example, is it funny when people go bankrupt? No. Would it be funny if someone like Andrew Tate went bankrupt after boasting about Bugattis and all of his mass wealth? Yes. This doesn’t mean people who would make fun of him for that are making fun of poverty or all people who lose their livelihoods, it would just be funny if it happened to that particular person. \nIn the same way, the idea that Tate does all the douchey, over the top macho things that he does in order to compensate for having a small penis is funny, whilst it not being funny to make fun of every person who has a small penis.",
">\n\nSubstitute fat. Is that ok?",
">\n\nDepends on what the fat person is doing. If the person is minding their own business then no, if the fat person is attacking other people’s appearances then yeah go for it.",
">\n\nInteresting take. Might want to play with that a bit. A lot of situations where your reasoning falls apart.",
">\n\nPeople insulted Trump for being fat when he tried to say he was like the most fit person ever. People make fun of Elon Musk's body. You can make the same type of insult to two different people and it come off two different ways. \nWhen you make your identity or argument around something it opens up certain insults and comebacks. \nTate's whole thing is trying to act like this \"alpha male\" when in reality he's a sex trafficking weirdo who pays women to hang out with him. It's totally fine to insult him with a childish insult. \nI also find that people worried or mad about this don't actually care about body image issues. They just want a gotcha moment for people. Because many would have shitty takes about fat people or whine about pc culture.",
">\n\nWhen you call some MF that doesn't necessarily mean you are a MF... I'm not saying it's okay to say abusing words but we still do use them.\nI don't think she said it in literal terms, it was completely literary. Also she only said it cause it was Tate who she said it to. Also if a woman has small tits and someone said to someone else that they have small tits energy, I don't think one who actually has small tits would mind it, cause she is not involved and it's kinda perfect way of irritating Tate.. cause he really cares about these things. \nWhen it comes to increasing the insecurity of someone who actually has small D and is insecure about it... She couldn't think so far cause all she wanted was to irritate Tate and she was successful",
">\n\nI don't think it even irritated him if that was her goal but definitely helped him with popularity. It just proves what he says people think of insecure men, it just moves them to him and he gains more influence. It was an ignorant reply in poor taste. Someone with much following and influence as Greta shouldn't be as irresponsible and the followers shouldn't be having to do mental gymnastics to defend her instead of seeing it as it is: body shaming against men.",
">\n\nIs this some kind of weird meta-game? Are Andrew Tate fans pretending to actually be offended by this stupid insult to prove a point? Does anybody actually think her retort was any sharper than a brick wrapped in a wet blanket?\nWhat is going on here?!",
">\n\n\nWhat is going on here?!\n\nAndrew Tate fans have a lot of small dick energy. That's whats going on.",
">\n\nWhy are people not allowed dislike tate (he's an absolute idiot and a grifter) and also to criticize obvious body shaming from a supposed progressive? If Biden started talking about \"N*gger energy\" criticizing Kanye for antisemitism, would that be ok in your eyes? Would you say that a black guy who doesn't like that must be an angry Kanye fan? Or is it disgustingly offensive towards all African Americans to use that type of language no matter what?",
">\n\nBecause it suits their narrative to frame it as if people are just defending tate. It's easier than just actually defending body shaming. Done deal.",
">\n\nI think Greta used that phrase not because she actually believes or wants to promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior, but because people like Andrew Tate believe and promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior. If Andrew Tate gets hurt because Greta says he has small dick energy, then maybe -- just maybe, with the tiniest bit of introspection -- he'll come to realize how hateful some of his language is.\nBullies like Andrew Tate don't really respond to logic or pleas for sympathy. The only way to maybe make them understand the hurt they cause is to inflict it on them, because they don't care about anyone but themselves. \nSo instead of putting the cart before the horse and blaming Greta for using an offensive phrase as an argumentative tactic, maybe blame the people who use the phrase to actually demean people.",
">\n\nCan we substitute fat instead and be justified?",
">\n\nYes people did that with Trump when he claimed to be the fittest person ever basically. If someone has a habit of insulting people a certain way or making certain claims then they open themselves up to specific insults. \nSometimes we'd find those insults not tasteful if said to other people. But I feel like most people equating this to fat insults don't actually care about fat people. A lot of people would also be like oh things are getting too pc or soft or woke when it comes to body positivity towards fat people. So for me it's hard to buy this line of reasoning as being truly valid or caring.",
">\n\nNo one said it has to be authentic caring. This sub is for exploring the intellectual arguments. Your perception of how authentic someone’s feelings towards fat people is basically irrelevant. Argue the point or don’t. Passing your authenticity test is a wierd standard to try to argue for.",
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">\n\nYes, making insults is offensive. That's the point.\nInsults that reference a body part are also offensive to people who are insecure about that body part. That's also kinda obvious.\nWhat do you want your mind changed about here? I'm unclear about what you think can be discussed about an insult meant to be insulting. Are you arguing that this insult is especially wrong in some way?\nHow is this not just you soapboxing?",
">\n\nThere's a reason as a society we don't use insults like \"retard\". This is in the same vein. You're attributing a negative thing with a man having a small penis. This is harmful as it perpetuates the stigma surrounding penis size which is outside ones control. Essentially it degrades a group of people who have nothing to do with it. OP wants to know whether or not this is reconciled. Reading the comments... It has not been. \nMaking gendered insults doesn't bother me truthfully but I can understand the frustration OP is expressing because were it to be a man making some edgy reference to a woman's lady parts being inadequate as a way to demean them then everyone would be outraged as opposed to cheering it on.",
">\n\nUsing “small dick” as an insult, or “loose pussy” isn’t really offensive unless you are insecure about the physical viability of your reproductive organs. \nBut, that doesn’t make it funny. It’s a really juvenile and uncreative way of ridiculing someone.",
">\n\nInsecure women are offended when they're fat shamed.\nIt's still body shaming.\nIt's still wrong.",
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">\n\nGuy randomly decides to flex on her by saying I HAVE CARS AND I LIKE TO GO VROOOOM. It's like when Piers decides that it's absolutely important to eat meat in front of vegans. It's not about penis size. It's just that smalldickenergy is a perfect explanation of why would someone decide to behave like this.",
">\n\nShe is 19. Maybe in a few years she will have more mature insults. It’s a lot of pressure to be put on someone so young to also say the perfect thing all the time",
">\n\nUnder nearly all circumstances, I agree with you.\nHowever, for a lot of people who have built a cult of personality around any given ideal, insults of the inoffensive type are completely commonplace. All they have to do is fend off one or two instances of this PG rated attacks, strawman them, call them snowflakes, and their following is bolstered and enhanced. Instead of having any negative effect, it becomes part of their inherent power.\nSometimes if you want to rattle a cult leader you have to hit with precision their most critical weakness and watch them implode. The fact that Tate is squirming so hard and doing everything he can to reclaim some of his dignity after Greta's clapback means that she has his number. Great isn't saying that having a small dick is bad, but knowing that Tate's entire personality is built about being an alpha male and that calling into question the size of his member will hurt him the most is what she was after. \nOf course, it wasn't classy and could be offensive to some. But as the saying goes, sometimes you have to fight fire with fire.",
">\n\nReally is he squirming? \nHe's rich he's popular and now he's gotten someone he disagrees with to repeat his ideology and platform spreading it to a wider audience. \nI'd argue he's happy for the attention and popularity that she's given to him now and enjoying the increased sales in his business as more men who feel marginalized and left out join him seeing this hypocrisy playing out. Not to mention all the political players( internationally) who were against climate action seeing all this and aligning themselves appropriately, possibly propping him up and making him something more than what he actually is- An ignorant troll. \nEngage with a troll and you only give them more power. The tweet was dumb and people should know better.\nEdit: spacing",
">\n\nI'm not commenting on whether or not his fans will like him more or if the controversy will inadvertently grant him a wider audience. \nI'm commenting that Greta knew exactly where and how to hit him the hardest. Yes, he is definitely squirming. He has scrambled out half a dozen prepubescent \"I know you are but what am I\" tweets. Then he went and made the absolute cringiest response video. He's incensed by being talked down to by Greta and is overcompensating. \nDid her tweet have any net positive effect on society? No. Did it ruffle Tate's feathers and make his blood boil? Yea. Would he have even cared if she called him a misogynistic prick? Absolutely not. He would have just told her to sit down and shut up, that misogyny is made up by inferior women blah blah blah...\nInstead, his insecurities are eating him alive.",
">\n\nWhy even respond and give him attention that he so desperately craves? And why body shame men in the process? \nIf she didn't have a better insult she could have just went on with her life instead of helping him grow. Using \"small dick energy\" as an insult means implicitly we agree that people with small penises are inferior and undesirable. That's basically what Tate is on about ( Toxic masculinity). And by laughing at her tweet we all reinforce that perception. Do you get that? \nSick of double standards and hypocrisy. At least people should have the courage to own up and acknowledge it then move on instead of doubling down and performing mental gymnastics to justify an obvious case of body shaming.\nI agree with you on one thing that the net effect on society because of this tweet exchange is negative and only serves the people who Greta and her followers hate.",
">\n\nI think you are missing what I am saying. I fully agree that it wasn't necessary nor was it the right thing for Greta to do. I also agree that it just gives him attention and was overall a useless venture other for the entertainment of Tate haters.\nOP asked why it is okay. I stated that it isn't okay but that I understand why Greta took that road rather than the suggested non-offensive approach. It is because he's immune to it. What he isn't immune to is his masculinity and ego being questioned. What is the point of the Wolf continuing to blow on the brick house? None. To get to the scared little piggies inside he needs a jackhammer. \nAnd it worked exactly how she planned it to. He was rattled and anyone who hates Tate is amused. \nNot saying it's the right thing to do, nor do I want anyone to feel ashamed of the size of their penis.",
">\n\nOk.. thanks for elaborating on that. I misunderstood your comment as a disagreement and engaged to try and change your mind but seems we share the same view.",
">\n\nYou do not know what Greta is \"fully aware\" of. She is referring to character and behaviour, why are you taking this personally? She isn't speaking to you, hasn't seen you, doesn't know you. I don't know why you are externalizing your issue like this and waving it around in public, is it our responsibility to fix this for you?\nShe was just making a tiny joke. Relax. smalldickenergy @ getalife .com is hilarious.",
">\n\nAside from everything else, it's men who started the 'big dick energy' idiocy so to then complain when someone uses their own stupidity against them...",
">\n\nYeah because men are a monolith and we all meet in a room and know each other smh.",
">\n\nThey’re saying it’s offensive to more than just Andrew Tate",
">\n\nYeah but again, ISN'T THE PURPOSE",
">\n\nWhat do you mean again? You didn’t say that before. And why does the purpose matter? You can do a bad thing without meaning to.",
">\n\nI meant to say isn't that the purpose lol mb",
">\n\nOh lol I probably should have realized that. But I think the point of the insult was to offend Andrew Tate.",
">\n\nFair. Trying to not say anything about him one way or another so I don't get downvoted to hell.",
">\n\nGreta lost that argument. She literally has like a hundred things Tate has said and done she could attack. Easy target... The one thing she chose to do is to body shame the man. It's just name calling. It's not a refutation of Tate. If anything it makes her sound stupid for her inability to come up with a refutation.",
">\n\nExactly. But people are just cheering her on and laughing along without grasping the nuance of the situation.",
">\n\nI think you are kinda missing the point. People know it offensive. The issue is that they don't care.",
">\n\nPeople used to make fun of small tits all the time. Remember the 90s? Remember the itty bitty titty committee? I don't know if that's a thing any more, but skinny women with no butts are definitely not seen as attractive. It's not fair. It's not their fault. People need to stop shaming themselves and eachother, and accept all bodies. Until then, \"small dick energy\" won't cease to be an insult. I guess the difference is people are sort of \"punching up\" since it's always been people with dicks who have the power in this world. I've never heard a dude say that another dude has \"small dick energy.\" It's always a woman saying that. Either way I think it's dumb but I get it. I've always thought \"Karen\" was a dumb insult too. Not someone's fault they were named Karen, LOL.",
">\n\nAndrew insulted her. He was asking for this insult. She was totally in the right. She wasn’t trying to shame anyone else. You’re asking for this insult too.",
">\n\nIsn't it more offensive for small pp folk, that there is a guy who base his entire existence on top of an argument that being an alpha, prime male is the most important thing in the world, and you need to be a testosterone bomb gorilla to have any kind of value. Isn't that argument disregards small dick guys in the first place?",
">\n\nAnd Greta just reinforced it with her reply. Do you see the problem now?\nEdit:replaced \"comment\" with \"reply\"",
">\n\nI believe I've already made a statement about what the problem is.",
">\n\nThen do you understand why Greta's reply is offensive and playing into Andrew Tate's hands?",
">\n\nLol this is twitter. There is no playing into each other's hands. Get outside.",
">\n\nOh look. Greta is human. Someone who spent a lot of her growing up time trying to educate people.\nIf she was in a bar and some doofus made a pass, she's just asserting herself. Age and context. Good on her.",
">\n\nIt is actually been studied. Men with small penises actually do have less energy- testosterone or something.",
">\n\nBeing offended by anything is each person's individual choice. If something is offensive to you, then simply choose to not be offended by it. It's truly that simple.",
">\n\nSo there is no such thing as hate speech?",
">\n\nNo, I didn't say that. Someone can certainly say something to someone that they hate with words that they feel will harm them mentally. That is \"hate speech\". The point I was trying to make is that we all as individuals have the choice to react to whatever someone says in whatever way we choose to react. If I feel offended by something that someone is saying, it is my choice to be offended by it.",
">\n\nI pretty much agree, but now we come to who decides. Does the person doing the talking decide whether it is hate speech? Or the person being talked at?",
">\n\nThere is no decision. The person who is talking thinks that what they are saying is not hateful, or they do. The person being talked at thinks that what the other person is saying is hateful, or they don't. The point is that it only matters if you make it matter to you. For example, if I say you are the dumbest person on earth, am I committing the crime of hate speech? Are you the dumbest person on earth? Probably not. But maybe I believe that you are. Does that make it true? If so, then it's not hate speech it's the truth...to me. If you, personally, believe that you are not the dumbest person on earth, then why would you concern yourself with what my dumbass has to say? To you, I'm the dumbest person on earth. I hope I'm getting my point across here.",
">\n\nSo we agree then? No laws regarding hate speech at all. You just ignore it and move on.",
">\n\nYes, sir.",
">\n\nYup",
">\n\nWhat if I say that I am offended that you are offended that you say \"small dick energy\" is offensive to men that are insecure about their size? Say I'm a man with a huge, massive dong. Say it's been a huge issue for me all my life. Let's say, hypothetically, that I am hugely insecure about the massive size of my dong and it's given me problems all my life. Every time I, hypothetically, go for a jog it's constantly flopping all over the place chaffing up my leg. Every time I have sex it's always this huge issue and only like half of the thing can go in before the receiver is like \"oh my god, stop, that's too much!\" Every time I receive oral sex, anything more than an inch beyond the tip causes a gag reflex. Does that sound exciting to you? Here you are bragging about your completely normal sized penis and all your normal sized penis sex and here this hypothetical person with a huge massive dong has all these issues. I can see how a hypothetical person with this debilitating issue would take offense that you take offense.",
">\n\nShe's an edgelord",
">\n\nreddit",
">\n\nSounds like a skill issue",
">\n\nDo you really get that offended? It's not like males themselves haven't sexualized females and their bodies and have said even worse and more common things about them? But we get offended over sum small? pun intended",
">\n\n“Some males have sexualized females therefore it’s fine for society to make fun of penis size.”",
">\n\nSociety? I don't see everyone (which represents society) doing it 😂 maybe you are focusing too much on negativity and that's all you see",
">\n\nSaying “small dick energy” is inherently a negative thing because it’s an insult. It also implies that there’s something bad about less endowed people because Tate is being compared to that demographic. \nWhen I say society, I mean that a decent percentage of people have “____ dick energy” built into their vocabulary to the point where the meaning of these terms is widely agreed on and it loses it’s direct connection to the penis. This doesn’t mean that the term is appropriate to use though since it originated from actual body shaming.",
">\n\nBattle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.",
">\n\nI think you should consider the situation at hand and less the use of insults as an absolute \nAndrew Tate absolutely deserves it",
">\n\nthe post its about the insult. \n\"Yeah I called this person a N... but lets focus on how bad that person is!!\"\nThe insult not only its very inflammatory (shows patriarcal estigmas,Its body shaming, reinforces toxic masculinity)\nIts also an extremely weak answer, its a groundless ad hominem. I would dare to argue the insult talks more about breta and his internalized toxic patriarcal estigmas than anything against tate.",
">\n\nGreta didn't start this. He was harassing her.",
">\n\n\"He started it\" -That's a toddler's excuse lmao",
">\n\nSo, in your opinion, Greta would have insulted him whether he had harassed her first, or not?",
">\n\nHer insulting him isn't the problem here. Its how she insulted him that's problematic.",
">\n\nWell, if he didn't want to be insulted, he could've done pretty much anything else with his time. I love the way you think people should be able to gatekeep how other people should hurt the feelings of people who are harassing them.",
">\n\nI'm not defending him or saying his feelings are hurt or that he doesn't deserve the insult. You're completely missing the point of this post and what we've been discussing. \n\"Body shaming is acceptable when it's directed at people we don't like\"- this is the hypocrisy that's being pointed out. It's not about who's better Tate or Greta but it's the bigger issue of shaming men's insecurities without any regard to their mental health. Do you get it now?",
">\n\nI think I do. It hadn't occurred to me that you might have a small penis. My apologies. Perhaps just as Greta Thurnberg travels the world as an advocate for awareness of Climate Change, you can break down the stereotype that people with small penises have energy. You should probably do as little as possible, though, since you don't want to be accused of having \"energy.\"",
">\n\nWasted my time replying after your \"he started it\" comment smh. Toddler mentality gugu gaga talk to me after you understand the issue.\nEdit: issue",
">\n\nI'm sorry about your peepee. But you have taught me not to trust stereotypes. And learning is fundamental.",
">\n\nI almost forgot. Please don't use the word toddler. It's offensive to small children.",
">\n\nFirst of all \"small dick energy\" shames the energy, not the small dick. It shames the fact to be insecure by your dick size (which is a metaphor for being insecure about your masculinity in general) and overcompensate by doing big manly stuff. It doesn't shame the fact to have a small dick.\nYou can argue that it is as bad, but it's important to understand that.",
">\n\nDon't be a cunt mate.",
">\n\nTechnically yes its body shaming but it's not that big a deal I think",
">\n\nIt has more to do with how they're acting rather than actual anatomy size.",
">\n\ncouple things: small dicks is one of the things about men that men tend to care about to an obsessive degree, that women do to a way lesser degree but pretend to, because men typically like to have a very braggadocious and obnoxious attitude about everything. this tate guy is that to the nth degree. so i mean if anyone deserves being called \"SDE\" its this tate guy \nsecond thing is that people who genuinely do have small dicks don't own that they have what they do; they lie about it. people who really do own that they have small dicks aren't made fun of for having them, because its not funny; the whole point is that you're lying about it and pretending like you're some big shot stud asshole, when you're not. if you own that you have a small dick, then ironically, you don't have \"SDE\"; you own what you have, you're not overcompensating and pretending to be something you're not. \nso if greta thunburg was to call, say, howard stern \"SDE\", a dude who owns that he has a small dick and makes fun of himself for it, then it wouldn't be funny. and howard stern even IS a braggadocious asshole. andrew tate is just wayyyyy more of one, and he pretend like he's god's gift to women. \nin general when it comes to \"oh poor men won't anybody think of the men\" i just cringe. i'm not the most liberal guy. but conservative guys just reappropriating the oppression olympics self-victimization shit and applying it to themselves is just pathetic.",
">\n\nSmall dick guy here... I always felt like guys like Howard Stern were compensating for it by self-loathing comedy. That's a big thing comedians do in general, and so to me it's always hard to say a guy truly doesn't care about it just because he's joking about it. On the other hand, maybe I'm just projecting, because I'll poke fun at my tiny pecker and not really care if someone makes fun of me for it, but it also does truly bother me a little bit when I hear things like, \"Oh that guy is an asshole, he must be mad because he has a tiny dick.\" Like... As if all us small guys are just furious that we aren't gonna win the dick-measuring contest that we let it affect our daily lives. It's a matter of extremes I think. I'm sure there's some guys with small ones that genuinely don't give a single fuck, and others who let it influence their entire lives, but I think most men with a small wang living in a society which implies that's a bad thing are going to end up somewhere in the middle of the scale.\nThe people I really feel bad for are the young people. Growing up with a small dick is a million times harder than being an adult with one. For the most part, nobody really cares if you're a grown man that's small, but when you're a teenager you feel like everybody cares. I had a really hard time wanting to pursue girls because of it, always worried about what their reaction would be, is they'd tell their girlfriends and it would get back to the other guys, etc. And that DOES happen... I remember being at the lunch table and someone saying, 'Did you hear Mike's dick is only x inches?\" and I'd be sitting there like, an inch shorter than Mike and pretending that I found it as funny as everyone else around the table. It didn't really hit me until I was much older that I probably wasn't the only one at the table doing that. Plus I always thought it was weird like, at least that was evidence \"Mike\" was getting some, why should he care if it was small? It wasn't until I got over it and had a few flings and girlfriends that I realized it made such a little difference (pun intended) than what I had built it up to in my mind.\nSo I mean... Yeah, I think some guys do truly have small dick energy, but all that means is they're insecure and I think it kind of sucks that people don't think about the feelings of people who had no part of the fight who get their feelings hurt as collateral damage, and that somehow just because of the douche the insult was leveled at we go, \"Haha you feel insecure about your body!\"\nOne thing it makes me think about that I'm guilty of is calling guys closet-cases. Yeah, I am just trying to point out they're overcompensating about things because they are ashamed of their sexuality, but I don't really take a pause and think, \"Wow, I bet that makes the people actually in the closet feel like shit.\" In some ways, I think it's even worse than just simple body shaming that as a society we're going around making fun of people for issues that could very well be deep seeded mental health issues, or could become so.",
">\n\nidk i just think that the only people being accused of having small dicks are people who are so obnoxious that it feels like they're compensating, like this guy. so sure its \"body shaming\", but a) body shaming is just something that happens that idk if we can ever really do anything about, because human beings value different body parts differently, and b) its only really shaming people because of their behavior, not their bodies. its shaming their behavior, by implying something about their bodies that would be embarrassing particularly for a person who is displaying this behavior, like tate does, because somebody that obsessed with getting chicks would probably be extremely concerned if people thought he had a small dick.",
">\n\nYeah that's the thing though, for me it really bothers me more that people think I'm going around being an asshole, driving a huge truck or otherwise trying to compensate just because my dick is small. I can also see the idea that it implies that having a small dick is bad. I mean just the idea that you can 'accuse' anyone of it implies there's something wrong with it.\nI mean, to me that's easier to hand-wave the idea that there's something wrong with it since I've had enough lived experience to know it doesn't matter. However, I feel like there's probably a lot of people out there who haven't who are still really hung up on it, particularly young people. I know I already brought up homosexuality, but it reminds me of when people use to say you shouldn't call things gay because it puts a negative connotation on homosexuality. Speaking of that, there's that phrase, \"It gets better,\" that is used to comfort/console LGTBQ youths and I think it should be applied to body-image issues too--whether that be penis size, breast size, weight, whatever. Looking back on my life, it was definitely the insecurities that negatively effected me far more than my actual size ever did. \nBut yeah I also feel like there's kind of a lot of people just trying to paint this as her being caught being a hypocrite or something, and I agree with you that I especially hate it when men frame it as some kind of, \"Oh look, see, we're oppressed too. So much for feminism!\" kind of argument.\nI guess I just see both sides of it.",
">\n\nVery well put. I honestly think you have changed some minds today. Hopefully more people stop and think before blindly defending someone they look up to.",
">\n\nI have a small dick, it's fine",
">\n\nThat's the point.",
">\n\nNo shit.",
">\n\n\"small dick energy\" isn't mocking someone for their penis size but for behaving in a way that they are compensating for insecurities and people like Tait measure their masculinity in \"I own cars\" is the epitome of trying to mask insecurities",
">\n\nI think the point about \"energy\" keeps being ignored. \nYou can have a small dick, but with thoughtfulness and confidence never have \"small dick energy\"\nYou can have a big schlong and be a needy jerkstore which gives you \"small dick energy\"\nAnd you can be like Andrew Tate and have a very small one and have \"small dick energy\" and be an absolute creepy, dumbass attention goblin.\nThe grand majority of people don't give a flip about the size of your dick. People with dicks care about the size of their own dick. It's the assumption that everyone cares as much as they do about their dick that's the real problem.",
">\n\nSo you agree the stereotype is false ..... and hurtful. If it's really an assumption as you say then people won't use \"tiny dick\" as an insult on people they don't like right? If no one really cares then there's no need to use it as an insult anyway right? Right??\nBut they do because it's socially acceptable to body shame men for some reason. Just see the tweet posts in other subs and their comments section laughing along, cheering her on and poking fun at men who have small penises and the stereotypes associated with such.",
">\n\nI don't know how old you are but like.\nSaying small dick energy actually has anything to do with the size of someone's dick is like culturally irrelevant.\nLike you can have a tiny dick and still have big dick energy and you can have a big dick and have small dick energy.\nBecause, Most people who need to project their insecurities are insulted by the size assumption.\nIt's more about the idea of insulting someone by saying they're just trying to project masculinity. This is the same reason why being in small dick energy is really used in all circles and not just as a male centered insult.\nLike buck and stud lesbians love the fuck out of that term.\nPeople with a small dick who get insulted by the general idea of small dick energy as an insult need to deal with their own insecurities.\nI'd much rather have a small dick than small dick energy.",
">\n\nIf the size is irrelevant, why associate being small with only negative traits and being big with only positive traits? You can't, and you could just say that being smaller makes you a bad person. It would be more honest. I'm sure people dealing with insecurities appreciate being associated with a human trafficker..."
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There are plenty of secure people who care about size. They are big, so they don't get made fun of. The people who make the jokes, whether they realize it or not, imply that small = bad person. It reinforces to insecure people that they are wrong for something that they have no control over and that people around them, including loved ones, would think lesser of them, because they probably would if they are making these jokes.
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"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult.",
">\n\nIt's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh.",
">\n\nHonestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV",
">\n\nPeople can make mistakes and this was one of them.. so we can all just criticize her reply fairly and move on. No need for acute mental gymnastics to defend her as this comments section is showing lmao.",
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">\n\nI don't think anyone is arguing it's not offensive. I'm pretty sure she was trying to offend insecure men. Apparently with great success.",
">\n\nShe was trying to offend men who were insecure about their body image?\nHow is that not body shaming?",
">\n\nIt is, but we playing the avoidance and rationalization game",
">\n\nbecause women invented \"small dick energy\"\nharsh, sad. but we go jim🗿",
">\n\nOP never mentioned women tho. Post is strictly about why it's offensive. Do you disagree that it's not offensive or you think it's a trivial matter to make fun of that men's mental health doesn't matter as much?",
">\n\nThe female equivalent is\n\"Loose Pussy Energy\".\nThe typical man-hate hypocrisy commonly going around is beyond obvious. And it is an attack on All men and boys not just some.",
">\n\nNot a disagreement per se, but also worth noting that it’s transphobic. Which is to say, it insults all men by reinforcing patriarchy and punching down to two groups of men.",
">\n\nShe said small dick energy. Not that he had a small dick (though, come on). She used that phrase BECAUSE it's Tate. She's not a moron.\nHe is, as evidenced by his life to this point and his two responses to Thunberg, which were epically pathetic, is a moron and didn't seem to get it, though he doesn't get a lot.",
">\n\nThis is worse than saying he has a small dick, because how would she know, and that would just be dismissed as stupid.\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\nI can't understand the mental gymnastics some people are doing to try and say this isn't body shaming.",
">\n\n\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\n\nI mean yeah -- kind of like how pussy is an insult denoting cowardice, cunt is an insult meaning basically, terrible, etc., \nShe used that on purpose. Are you making CMV every time you see someone calling someone else a pussy?",
">\n\nPussy is kind of already known to be a shitty gendered insult so it doesn't need a CMV. In this case, Greta's gendered \"having a small penis is bad\" tweet is massively amplified, reached r/all on a shitload of subs, etc. so some discussion about whether or not that is cool is warranted",
">\n\nSmall dick energy isn’t about having a small dick tho. It’s a reflection of an attitude that men who are offensive, aggressive, nasty to people are overcompensating for their insecurities. A small dick doesn’t mean you won’t be able to find a partner or that you’re any less of a man. Being a downright trash bag of a human to others, like in this instance where an internet edgelord is cyber bullying a teenager on the internet who is fighting for the survival of our planet/humanity is an example of this trash behavior, is more of a determining factor. \nYou can also have a small dick but have big dick energy, as it’s reflective of who you are as a person. It’s an attitude. It’s who you choose to be to yourself and others. Hell, there’s women who use the term that they have big dick energy and I can tell you those women’s dicks are none existent so therefore size isn’t a thing. \nNo one should be made fun of for something they had no control over. The worth of a man is not tied to the size of his penis. Although, toxic masculinity and shallow people will tell you different. They say the same for disabled people, fat people etc. There’s plenty of people who are not “conventional standards of beauty” which is the majority of us, that lead happy, healthy relationships. Those relationships start with yourself and understanding your worth as a person isn’t tied to what you look like or how big your junk is. \nThe point is if you choose to be a trash person like Tate, where your self worth is tied into how cruel/offensive you can be to other people, don’t be mad if people call you out for that trashy attitude. Your post definitely reeks of “men are the true victims” when clearly you didn’t seem to have a problem with a grown man cyber bullying a teenager.",
">\n\nI like how you imply that OP is a fan of a literal human trafficker because they point out that a body-shaming insult is body-shaming. Do you understand why associating a trait of someone's body with negative personality traits is bad?",
">\n\nNo because people like this always have exceptions that allow them to use the things they complain about. Cognitive gymnastics allows them to recognise shaming women and people of colour is bad, because society will eat them otherwise, but when someone shows up who deserves a bit of a roasting all of their social etiquette rules go out the window and the excuses come out as to why in this context it doesn't count.\n\"Ahh no, here it is a reflection of an attitude\" blah blah 3 paragraphs later and we've clouded over the simple fact that body shaming is body shaming and harms people you weren't intending to insult.",
">\n\nPeople like this? You’re assuming things about me because I am a character in your mind not a real person. I am not a monolith. We should not be body shaming people. I am explaining the other side of this issue and why people use these terms. You never asked if I use these same terms in my life. You assumed I do. I don’t. You didn’t even bother to read my response because if you did you would have realized this.",
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">\n\nYou can have smol pp but big pp energy and vice versa",
">\n\nSo why is the phrase small dick energy if it has nothing to do with having a small dick?",
">\n\nIdk man, I just work here.",
">\n\nYou know why. Lol cause small dick is associated with bad. And by insulting dicks you use this knowledge to offend, at the cost of body shaming people. \nStop feigning dumb just to avoid the reasoning lol",
">\n\nI can see how it would be offensive, and I wouldn’t use it myself. I feel like the phrase refers more to how someone acts as opposed to how they are endowed. And how it’s behavior and actions that make people think down of you not your penis.",
">\n\nPoint is that we, as a society, should encourage better insults that attack the comments of the person without necessarily having to equate it to something someone with a small dick.",
">\n\nWould you agree with me, that if Andrew clapped back with one of those that the internet would be up in arms about it?",
">\n\nYou mean the way that you are, here, on the internet, up in arms?",
">\n\nIm one person on reddit, theres no major backlash like there would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\nSee, what's happening here is that you are also looking at people who are \"one person on Reddit\" and pretending it's a major backlash. Andrew Tate says fucked up things about women all the time (in fact, it's kind of his whole schtick) and it's as much of a non-event as this is.",
">\n\nPlease link me to something fucked up hes said about women, and ill agree with you, two wrongs don't make a right.",
">\n\nHere's exhibit A.",
">\n\nSure I agree with you he has said fucked up stuff about women, it doesn't mean its okay to make a joke about small dick energy.\nDo you understand my point?",
">\n\nWe understand, it's just that your point is fucking stupid",
">\n\nYou have no idea what his point is, it's funny that people on this thread OP and others actually like Andrew Tate.\nIt proves that everyone is completely frothingly tribalistic with zero nuance.",
">\n\nIf someone is behaving insufferably, people are going to laugh at them for things that they wouldn’t find funny if it happened to someone they liked.\nFor example, is it funny when people go bankrupt? No. Would it be funny if someone like Andrew Tate went bankrupt after boasting about Bugattis and all of his mass wealth? Yes. This doesn’t mean people who would make fun of him for that are making fun of poverty or all people who lose their livelihoods, it would just be funny if it happened to that particular person. \nIn the same way, the idea that Tate does all the douchey, over the top macho things that he does in order to compensate for having a small penis is funny, whilst it not being funny to make fun of every person who has a small penis.",
">\n\nSubstitute fat. Is that ok?",
">\n\nDepends on what the fat person is doing. If the person is minding their own business then no, if the fat person is attacking other people’s appearances then yeah go for it.",
">\n\nInteresting take. Might want to play with that a bit. A lot of situations where your reasoning falls apart.",
">\n\nPeople insulted Trump for being fat when he tried to say he was like the most fit person ever. People make fun of Elon Musk's body. You can make the same type of insult to two different people and it come off two different ways. \nWhen you make your identity or argument around something it opens up certain insults and comebacks. \nTate's whole thing is trying to act like this \"alpha male\" when in reality he's a sex trafficking weirdo who pays women to hang out with him. It's totally fine to insult him with a childish insult. \nI also find that people worried or mad about this don't actually care about body image issues. They just want a gotcha moment for people. Because many would have shitty takes about fat people or whine about pc culture.",
">\n\nWhen you call some MF that doesn't necessarily mean you are a MF... I'm not saying it's okay to say abusing words but we still do use them.\nI don't think she said it in literal terms, it was completely literary. Also she only said it cause it was Tate who she said it to. Also if a woman has small tits and someone said to someone else that they have small tits energy, I don't think one who actually has small tits would mind it, cause she is not involved and it's kinda perfect way of irritating Tate.. cause he really cares about these things. \nWhen it comes to increasing the insecurity of someone who actually has small D and is insecure about it... She couldn't think so far cause all she wanted was to irritate Tate and she was successful",
">\n\nI don't think it even irritated him if that was her goal but definitely helped him with popularity. It just proves what he says people think of insecure men, it just moves them to him and he gains more influence. It was an ignorant reply in poor taste. Someone with much following and influence as Greta shouldn't be as irresponsible and the followers shouldn't be having to do mental gymnastics to defend her instead of seeing it as it is: body shaming against men.",
">\n\nIs this some kind of weird meta-game? Are Andrew Tate fans pretending to actually be offended by this stupid insult to prove a point? Does anybody actually think her retort was any sharper than a brick wrapped in a wet blanket?\nWhat is going on here?!",
">\n\n\nWhat is going on here?!\n\nAndrew Tate fans have a lot of small dick energy. That's whats going on.",
">\n\nWhy are people not allowed dislike tate (he's an absolute idiot and a grifter) and also to criticize obvious body shaming from a supposed progressive? If Biden started talking about \"N*gger energy\" criticizing Kanye for antisemitism, would that be ok in your eyes? Would you say that a black guy who doesn't like that must be an angry Kanye fan? Or is it disgustingly offensive towards all African Americans to use that type of language no matter what?",
">\n\nBecause it suits their narrative to frame it as if people are just defending tate. It's easier than just actually defending body shaming. Done deal.",
">\n\nI think Greta used that phrase not because she actually believes or wants to promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior, but because people like Andrew Tate believe and promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior. If Andrew Tate gets hurt because Greta says he has small dick energy, then maybe -- just maybe, with the tiniest bit of introspection -- he'll come to realize how hateful some of his language is.\nBullies like Andrew Tate don't really respond to logic or pleas for sympathy. The only way to maybe make them understand the hurt they cause is to inflict it on them, because they don't care about anyone but themselves. \nSo instead of putting the cart before the horse and blaming Greta for using an offensive phrase as an argumentative tactic, maybe blame the people who use the phrase to actually demean people.",
">\n\nCan we substitute fat instead and be justified?",
">\n\nYes people did that with Trump when he claimed to be the fittest person ever basically. If someone has a habit of insulting people a certain way or making certain claims then they open themselves up to specific insults. \nSometimes we'd find those insults not tasteful if said to other people. But I feel like most people equating this to fat insults don't actually care about fat people. A lot of people would also be like oh things are getting too pc or soft or woke when it comes to body positivity towards fat people. So for me it's hard to buy this line of reasoning as being truly valid or caring.",
">\n\nNo one said it has to be authentic caring. This sub is for exploring the intellectual arguments. Your perception of how authentic someone’s feelings towards fat people is basically irrelevant. Argue the point or don’t. Passing your authenticity test is a wierd standard to try to argue for.",
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">\n\nYes, making insults is offensive. That's the point.\nInsults that reference a body part are also offensive to people who are insecure about that body part. That's also kinda obvious.\nWhat do you want your mind changed about here? I'm unclear about what you think can be discussed about an insult meant to be insulting. Are you arguing that this insult is especially wrong in some way?\nHow is this not just you soapboxing?",
">\n\nThere's a reason as a society we don't use insults like \"retard\". This is in the same vein. You're attributing a negative thing with a man having a small penis. This is harmful as it perpetuates the stigma surrounding penis size which is outside ones control. Essentially it degrades a group of people who have nothing to do with it. OP wants to know whether or not this is reconciled. Reading the comments... It has not been. \nMaking gendered insults doesn't bother me truthfully but I can understand the frustration OP is expressing because were it to be a man making some edgy reference to a woman's lady parts being inadequate as a way to demean them then everyone would be outraged as opposed to cheering it on.",
">\n\nUsing “small dick” as an insult, or “loose pussy” isn’t really offensive unless you are insecure about the physical viability of your reproductive organs. \nBut, that doesn’t make it funny. It’s a really juvenile and uncreative way of ridiculing someone.",
">\n\nInsecure women are offended when they're fat shamed.\nIt's still body shaming.\nIt's still wrong.",
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">\n\nGuy randomly decides to flex on her by saying I HAVE CARS AND I LIKE TO GO VROOOOM. It's like when Piers decides that it's absolutely important to eat meat in front of vegans. It's not about penis size. It's just that smalldickenergy is a perfect explanation of why would someone decide to behave like this.",
">\n\nShe is 19. Maybe in a few years she will have more mature insults. It’s a lot of pressure to be put on someone so young to also say the perfect thing all the time",
">\n\nUnder nearly all circumstances, I agree with you.\nHowever, for a lot of people who have built a cult of personality around any given ideal, insults of the inoffensive type are completely commonplace. All they have to do is fend off one or two instances of this PG rated attacks, strawman them, call them snowflakes, and their following is bolstered and enhanced. Instead of having any negative effect, it becomes part of their inherent power.\nSometimes if you want to rattle a cult leader you have to hit with precision their most critical weakness and watch them implode. The fact that Tate is squirming so hard and doing everything he can to reclaim some of his dignity after Greta's clapback means that she has his number. Great isn't saying that having a small dick is bad, but knowing that Tate's entire personality is built about being an alpha male and that calling into question the size of his member will hurt him the most is what she was after. \nOf course, it wasn't classy and could be offensive to some. But as the saying goes, sometimes you have to fight fire with fire.",
">\n\nReally is he squirming? \nHe's rich he's popular and now he's gotten someone he disagrees with to repeat his ideology and platform spreading it to a wider audience. \nI'd argue he's happy for the attention and popularity that she's given to him now and enjoying the increased sales in his business as more men who feel marginalized and left out join him seeing this hypocrisy playing out. Not to mention all the political players( internationally) who were against climate action seeing all this and aligning themselves appropriately, possibly propping him up and making him something more than what he actually is- An ignorant troll. \nEngage with a troll and you only give them more power. The tweet was dumb and people should know better.\nEdit: spacing",
">\n\nI'm not commenting on whether or not his fans will like him more or if the controversy will inadvertently grant him a wider audience. \nI'm commenting that Greta knew exactly where and how to hit him the hardest. Yes, he is definitely squirming. He has scrambled out half a dozen prepubescent \"I know you are but what am I\" tweets. Then he went and made the absolute cringiest response video. He's incensed by being talked down to by Greta and is overcompensating. \nDid her tweet have any net positive effect on society? No. Did it ruffle Tate's feathers and make his blood boil? Yea. Would he have even cared if she called him a misogynistic prick? Absolutely not. He would have just told her to sit down and shut up, that misogyny is made up by inferior women blah blah blah...\nInstead, his insecurities are eating him alive.",
">\n\nWhy even respond and give him attention that he so desperately craves? And why body shame men in the process? \nIf she didn't have a better insult she could have just went on with her life instead of helping him grow. Using \"small dick energy\" as an insult means implicitly we agree that people with small penises are inferior and undesirable. That's basically what Tate is on about ( Toxic masculinity). And by laughing at her tweet we all reinforce that perception. Do you get that? \nSick of double standards and hypocrisy. At least people should have the courage to own up and acknowledge it then move on instead of doubling down and performing mental gymnastics to justify an obvious case of body shaming.\nI agree with you on one thing that the net effect on society because of this tweet exchange is negative and only serves the people who Greta and her followers hate.",
">\n\nI think you are missing what I am saying. I fully agree that it wasn't necessary nor was it the right thing for Greta to do. I also agree that it just gives him attention and was overall a useless venture other for the entertainment of Tate haters.\nOP asked why it is okay. I stated that it isn't okay but that I understand why Greta took that road rather than the suggested non-offensive approach. It is because he's immune to it. What he isn't immune to is his masculinity and ego being questioned. What is the point of the Wolf continuing to blow on the brick house? None. To get to the scared little piggies inside he needs a jackhammer. \nAnd it worked exactly how she planned it to. He was rattled and anyone who hates Tate is amused. \nNot saying it's the right thing to do, nor do I want anyone to feel ashamed of the size of their penis.",
">\n\nOk.. thanks for elaborating on that. I misunderstood your comment as a disagreement and engaged to try and change your mind but seems we share the same view.",
">\n\nYou do not know what Greta is \"fully aware\" of. She is referring to character and behaviour, why are you taking this personally? She isn't speaking to you, hasn't seen you, doesn't know you. I don't know why you are externalizing your issue like this and waving it around in public, is it our responsibility to fix this for you?\nShe was just making a tiny joke. Relax. smalldickenergy @ getalife .com is hilarious.",
">\n\nAside from everything else, it's men who started the 'big dick energy' idiocy so to then complain when someone uses their own stupidity against them...",
">\n\nYeah because men are a monolith and we all meet in a room and know each other smh.",
">\n\nThey’re saying it’s offensive to more than just Andrew Tate",
">\n\nYeah but again, ISN'T THE PURPOSE",
">\n\nWhat do you mean again? You didn’t say that before. And why does the purpose matter? You can do a bad thing without meaning to.",
">\n\nI meant to say isn't that the purpose lol mb",
">\n\nOh lol I probably should have realized that. But I think the point of the insult was to offend Andrew Tate.",
">\n\nFair. Trying to not say anything about him one way or another so I don't get downvoted to hell.",
">\n\nGreta lost that argument. She literally has like a hundred things Tate has said and done she could attack. Easy target... The one thing she chose to do is to body shame the man. It's just name calling. It's not a refutation of Tate. If anything it makes her sound stupid for her inability to come up with a refutation.",
">\n\nExactly. But people are just cheering her on and laughing along without grasping the nuance of the situation.",
">\n\nI think you are kinda missing the point. People know it offensive. The issue is that they don't care.",
">\n\nPeople used to make fun of small tits all the time. Remember the 90s? Remember the itty bitty titty committee? I don't know if that's a thing any more, but skinny women with no butts are definitely not seen as attractive. It's not fair. It's not their fault. People need to stop shaming themselves and eachother, and accept all bodies. Until then, \"small dick energy\" won't cease to be an insult. I guess the difference is people are sort of \"punching up\" since it's always been people with dicks who have the power in this world. I've never heard a dude say that another dude has \"small dick energy.\" It's always a woman saying that. Either way I think it's dumb but I get it. I've always thought \"Karen\" was a dumb insult too. Not someone's fault they were named Karen, LOL.",
">\n\nAndrew insulted her. He was asking for this insult. She was totally in the right. She wasn’t trying to shame anyone else. You’re asking for this insult too.",
">\n\nIsn't it more offensive for small pp folk, that there is a guy who base his entire existence on top of an argument that being an alpha, prime male is the most important thing in the world, and you need to be a testosterone bomb gorilla to have any kind of value. Isn't that argument disregards small dick guys in the first place?",
">\n\nAnd Greta just reinforced it with her reply. Do you see the problem now?\nEdit:replaced \"comment\" with \"reply\"",
">\n\nI believe I've already made a statement about what the problem is.",
">\n\nThen do you understand why Greta's reply is offensive and playing into Andrew Tate's hands?",
">\n\nLol this is twitter. There is no playing into each other's hands. Get outside.",
">\n\nOh look. Greta is human. Someone who spent a lot of her growing up time trying to educate people.\nIf she was in a bar and some doofus made a pass, she's just asserting herself. Age and context. Good on her.",
">\n\nIt is actually been studied. Men with small penises actually do have less energy- testosterone or something.",
">\n\nBeing offended by anything is each person's individual choice. If something is offensive to you, then simply choose to not be offended by it. It's truly that simple.",
">\n\nSo there is no such thing as hate speech?",
">\n\nNo, I didn't say that. Someone can certainly say something to someone that they hate with words that they feel will harm them mentally. That is \"hate speech\". The point I was trying to make is that we all as individuals have the choice to react to whatever someone says in whatever way we choose to react. If I feel offended by something that someone is saying, it is my choice to be offended by it.",
">\n\nI pretty much agree, but now we come to who decides. Does the person doing the talking decide whether it is hate speech? Or the person being talked at?",
">\n\nThere is no decision. The person who is talking thinks that what they are saying is not hateful, or they do. The person being talked at thinks that what the other person is saying is hateful, or they don't. The point is that it only matters if you make it matter to you. For example, if I say you are the dumbest person on earth, am I committing the crime of hate speech? Are you the dumbest person on earth? Probably not. But maybe I believe that you are. Does that make it true? If so, then it's not hate speech it's the truth...to me. If you, personally, believe that you are not the dumbest person on earth, then why would you concern yourself with what my dumbass has to say? To you, I'm the dumbest person on earth. I hope I'm getting my point across here.",
">\n\nSo we agree then? No laws regarding hate speech at all. You just ignore it and move on.",
">\n\nYes, sir.",
">\n\nYup",
">\n\nWhat if I say that I am offended that you are offended that you say \"small dick energy\" is offensive to men that are insecure about their size? Say I'm a man with a huge, massive dong. Say it's been a huge issue for me all my life. Let's say, hypothetically, that I am hugely insecure about the massive size of my dong and it's given me problems all my life. Every time I, hypothetically, go for a jog it's constantly flopping all over the place chaffing up my leg. Every time I have sex it's always this huge issue and only like half of the thing can go in before the receiver is like \"oh my god, stop, that's too much!\" Every time I receive oral sex, anything more than an inch beyond the tip causes a gag reflex. Does that sound exciting to you? Here you are bragging about your completely normal sized penis and all your normal sized penis sex and here this hypothetical person with a huge massive dong has all these issues. I can see how a hypothetical person with this debilitating issue would take offense that you take offense.",
">\n\nShe's an edgelord",
">\n\nreddit",
">\n\nSounds like a skill issue",
">\n\nDo you really get that offended? It's not like males themselves haven't sexualized females and their bodies and have said even worse and more common things about them? But we get offended over sum small? pun intended",
">\n\n“Some males have sexualized females therefore it’s fine for society to make fun of penis size.”",
">\n\nSociety? I don't see everyone (which represents society) doing it 😂 maybe you are focusing too much on negativity and that's all you see",
">\n\nSaying “small dick energy” is inherently a negative thing because it’s an insult. It also implies that there’s something bad about less endowed people because Tate is being compared to that demographic. \nWhen I say society, I mean that a decent percentage of people have “____ dick energy” built into their vocabulary to the point where the meaning of these terms is widely agreed on and it loses it’s direct connection to the penis. This doesn’t mean that the term is appropriate to use though since it originated from actual body shaming.",
">\n\nBattle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.",
">\n\nI think you should consider the situation at hand and less the use of insults as an absolute \nAndrew Tate absolutely deserves it",
">\n\nthe post its about the insult. \n\"Yeah I called this person a N... but lets focus on how bad that person is!!\"\nThe insult not only its very inflammatory (shows patriarcal estigmas,Its body shaming, reinforces toxic masculinity)\nIts also an extremely weak answer, its a groundless ad hominem. I would dare to argue the insult talks more about breta and his internalized toxic patriarcal estigmas than anything against tate.",
">\n\nGreta didn't start this. He was harassing her.",
">\n\n\"He started it\" -That's a toddler's excuse lmao",
">\n\nSo, in your opinion, Greta would have insulted him whether he had harassed her first, or not?",
">\n\nHer insulting him isn't the problem here. Its how she insulted him that's problematic.",
">\n\nWell, if he didn't want to be insulted, he could've done pretty much anything else with his time. I love the way you think people should be able to gatekeep how other people should hurt the feelings of people who are harassing them.",
">\n\nI'm not defending him or saying his feelings are hurt or that he doesn't deserve the insult. You're completely missing the point of this post and what we've been discussing. \n\"Body shaming is acceptable when it's directed at people we don't like\"- this is the hypocrisy that's being pointed out. It's not about who's better Tate or Greta but it's the bigger issue of shaming men's insecurities without any regard to their mental health. Do you get it now?",
">\n\nI think I do. It hadn't occurred to me that you might have a small penis. My apologies. Perhaps just as Greta Thurnberg travels the world as an advocate for awareness of Climate Change, you can break down the stereotype that people with small penises have energy. You should probably do as little as possible, though, since you don't want to be accused of having \"energy.\"",
">\n\nWasted my time replying after your \"he started it\" comment smh. Toddler mentality gugu gaga talk to me after you understand the issue.\nEdit: issue",
">\n\nI'm sorry about your peepee. But you have taught me not to trust stereotypes. And learning is fundamental.",
">\n\nI almost forgot. Please don't use the word toddler. It's offensive to small children.",
">\n\nFirst of all \"small dick energy\" shames the energy, not the small dick. It shames the fact to be insecure by your dick size (which is a metaphor for being insecure about your masculinity in general) and overcompensate by doing big manly stuff. It doesn't shame the fact to have a small dick.\nYou can argue that it is as bad, but it's important to understand that.",
">\n\nDon't be a cunt mate.",
">\n\nTechnically yes its body shaming but it's not that big a deal I think",
">\n\nIt has more to do with how they're acting rather than actual anatomy size.",
">\n\ncouple things: small dicks is one of the things about men that men tend to care about to an obsessive degree, that women do to a way lesser degree but pretend to, because men typically like to have a very braggadocious and obnoxious attitude about everything. this tate guy is that to the nth degree. so i mean if anyone deserves being called \"SDE\" its this tate guy \nsecond thing is that people who genuinely do have small dicks don't own that they have what they do; they lie about it. people who really do own that they have small dicks aren't made fun of for having them, because its not funny; the whole point is that you're lying about it and pretending like you're some big shot stud asshole, when you're not. if you own that you have a small dick, then ironically, you don't have \"SDE\"; you own what you have, you're not overcompensating and pretending to be something you're not. \nso if greta thunburg was to call, say, howard stern \"SDE\", a dude who owns that he has a small dick and makes fun of himself for it, then it wouldn't be funny. and howard stern even IS a braggadocious asshole. andrew tate is just wayyyyy more of one, and he pretend like he's god's gift to women. \nin general when it comes to \"oh poor men won't anybody think of the men\" i just cringe. i'm not the most liberal guy. but conservative guys just reappropriating the oppression olympics self-victimization shit and applying it to themselves is just pathetic.",
">\n\nSmall dick guy here... I always felt like guys like Howard Stern were compensating for it by self-loathing comedy. That's a big thing comedians do in general, and so to me it's always hard to say a guy truly doesn't care about it just because he's joking about it. On the other hand, maybe I'm just projecting, because I'll poke fun at my tiny pecker and not really care if someone makes fun of me for it, but it also does truly bother me a little bit when I hear things like, \"Oh that guy is an asshole, he must be mad because he has a tiny dick.\" Like... As if all us small guys are just furious that we aren't gonna win the dick-measuring contest that we let it affect our daily lives. It's a matter of extremes I think. I'm sure there's some guys with small ones that genuinely don't give a single fuck, and others who let it influence their entire lives, but I think most men with a small wang living in a society which implies that's a bad thing are going to end up somewhere in the middle of the scale.\nThe people I really feel bad for are the young people. Growing up with a small dick is a million times harder than being an adult with one. For the most part, nobody really cares if you're a grown man that's small, but when you're a teenager you feel like everybody cares. I had a really hard time wanting to pursue girls because of it, always worried about what their reaction would be, is they'd tell their girlfriends and it would get back to the other guys, etc. And that DOES happen... I remember being at the lunch table and someone saying, 'Did you hear Mike's dick is only x inches?\" and I'd be sitting there like, an inch shorter than Mike and pretending that I found it as funny as everyone else around the table. It didn't really hit me until I was much older that I probably wasn't the only one at the table doing that. Plus I always thought it was weird like, at least that was evidence \"Mike\" was getting some, why should he care if it was small? It wasn't until I got over it and had a few flings and girlfriends that I realized it made such a little difference (pun intended) than what I had built it up to in my mind.\nSo I mean... Yeah, I think some guys do truly have small dick energy, but all that means is they're insecure and I think it kind of sucks that people don't think about the feelings of people who had no part of the fight who get their feelings hurt as collateral damage, and that somehow just because of the douche the insult was leveled at we go, \"Haha you feel insecure about your body!\"\nOne thing it makes me think about that I'm guilty of is calling guys closet-cases. Yeah, I am just trying to point out they're overcompensating about things because they are ashamed of their sexuality, but I don't really take a pause and think, \"Wow, I bet that makes the people actually in the closet feel like shit.\" In some ways, I think it's even worse than just simple body shaming that as a society we're going around making fun of people for issues that could very well be deep seeded mental health issues, or could become so.",
">\n\nidk i just think that the only people being accused of having small dicks are people who are so obnoxious that it feels like they're compensating, like this guy. so sure its \"body shaming\", but a) body shaming is just something that happens that idk if we can ever really do anything about, because human beings value different body parts differently, and b) its only really shaming people because of their behavior, not their bodies. its shaming their behavior, by implying something about their bodies that would be embarrassing particularly for a person who is displaying this behavior, like tate does, because somebody that obsessed with getting chicks would probably be extremely concerned if people thought he had a small dick.",
">\n\nYeah that's the thing though, for me it really bothers me more that people think I'm going around being an asshole, driving a huge truck or otherwise trying to compensate just because my dick is small. I can also see the idea that it implies that having a small dick is bad. I mean just the idea that you can 'accuse' anyone of it implies there's something wrong with it.\nI mean, to me that's easier to hand-wave the idea that there's something wrong with it since I've had enough lived experience to know it doesn't matter. However, I feel like there's probably a lot of people out there who haven't who are still really hung up on it, particularly young people. I know I already brought up homosexuality, but it reminds me of when people use to say you shouldn't call things gay because it puts a negative connotation on homosexuality. Speaking of that, there's that phrase, \"It gets better,\" that is used to comfort/console LGTBQ youths and I think it should be applied to body-image issues too--whether that be penis size, breast size, weight, whatever. Looking back on my life, it was definitely the insecurities that negatively effected me far more than my actual size ever did. \nBut yeah I also feel like there's kind of a lot of people just trying to paint this as her being caught being a hypocrite or something, and I agree with you that I especially hate it when men frame it as some kind of, \"Oh look, see, we're oppressed too. So much for feminism!\" kind of argument.\nI guess I just see both sides of it.",
">\n\nVery well put. I honestly think you have changed some minds today. Hopefully more people stop and think before blindly defending someone they look up to.",
">\n\nI have a small dick, it's fine",
">\n\nThat's the point.",
">\n\nNo shit.",
">\n\n\"small dick energy\" isn't mocking someone for their penis size but for behaving in a way that they are compensating for insecurities and people like Tait measure their masculinity in \"I own cars\" is the epitome of trying to mask insecurities",
">\n\nI think the point about \"energy\" keeps being ignored. \nYou can have a small dick, but with thoughtfulness and confidence never have \"small dick energy\"\nYou can have a big schlong and be a needy jerkstore which gives you \"small dick energy\"\nAnd you can be like Andrew Tate and have a very small one and have \"small dick energy\" and be an absolute creepy, dumbass attention goblin.\nThe grand majority of people don't give a flip about the size of your dick. People with dicks care about the size of their own dick. It's the assumption that everyone cares as much as they do about their dick that's the real problem.",
">\n\nSo you agree the stereotype is false ..... and hurtful. If it's really an assumption as you say then people won't use \"tiny dick\" as an insult on people they don't like right? If no one really cares then there's no need to use it as an insult anyway right? Right??\nBut they do because it's socially acceptable to body shame men for some reason. Just see the tweet posts in other subs and their comments section laughing along, cheering her on and poking fun at men who have small penises and the stereotypes associated with such.",
">\n\nI don't know how old you are but like.\nSaying small dick energy actually has anything to do with the size of someone's dick is like culturally irrelevant.\nLike you can have a tiny dick and still have big dick energy and you can have a big dick and have small dick energy.\nBecause, Most people who need to project their insecurities are insulted by the size assumption.\nIt's more about the idea of insulting someone by saying they're just trying to project masculinity. This is the same reason why being in small dick energy is really used in all circles and not just as a male centered insult.\nLike buck and stud lesbians love the fuck out of that term.\nPeople with a small dick who get insulted by the general idea of small dick energy as an insult need to deal with their own insecurities.\nI'd much rather have a small dick than small dick energy.",
">\n\nIf the size is irrelevant, why associate being small with only negative traits and being big with only positive traits? You can't, and you could just say that being smaller makes you a bad person. It would be more honest. I'm sure people dealing with insecurities appreciate being associated with a human trafficker...",
">\n\nLike I said I have a small dick and would rather have a small dick than have small dick energy.\nThe whole point is that the only people who care about size are people who are easily insecure.\nIt's because they care the people making the jokes know that size doesn't matter and they're not making fun of people who have small dicks they're making fun of the people who care so much about what the size of their dick is that an influences their entire self worth."
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Bro I'm not big and I'm pointing out that not everyone who has a small dick is insulted by the idea of small dick energy this really seems to be a you problem.
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"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult.",
">\n\nIt's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh.",
">\n\nHonestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV",
">\n\nPeople can make mistakes and this was one of them.. so we can all just criticize her reply fairly and move on. No need for acute mental gymnastics to defend her as this comments section is showing lmao.",
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">\n\nI don't think anyone is arguing it's not offensive. I'm pretty sure she was trying to offend insecure men. Apparently with great success.",
">\n\nShe was trying to offend men who were insecure about their body image?\nHow is that not body shaming?",
">\n\nIt is, but we playing the avoidance and rationalization game",
">\n\nbecause women invented \"small dick energy\"\nharsh, sad. but we go jim🗿",
">\n\nOP never mentioned women tho. Post is strictly about why it's offensive. Do you disagree that it's not offensive or you think it's a trivial matter to make fun of that men's mental health doesn't matter as much?",
">\n\nThe female equivalent is\n\"Loose Pussy Energy\".\nThe typical man-hate hypocrisy commonly going around is beyond obvious. And it is an attack on All men and boys not just some.",
">\n\nNot a disagreement per se, but also worth noting that it’s transphobic. Which is to say, it insults all men by reinforcing patriarchy and punching down to two groups of men.",
">\n\nShe said small dick energy. Not that he had a small dick (though, come on). She used that phrase BECAUSE it's Tate. She's not a moron.\nHe is, as evidenced by his life to this point and his two responses to Thunberg, which were epically pathetic, is a moron and didn't seem to get it, though he doesn't get a lot.",
">\n\nThis is worse than saying he has a small dick, because how would she know, and that would just be dismissed as stupid.\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\nI can't understand the mental gymnastics some people are doing to try and say this isn't body shaming.",
">\n\n\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\n\nI mean yeah -- kind of like how pussy is an insult denoting cowardice, cunt is an insult meaning basically, terrible, etc., \nShe used that on purpose. Are you making CMV every time you see someone calling someone else a pussy?",
">\n\nPussy is kind of already known to be a shitty gendered insult so it doesn't need a CMV. In this case, Greta's gendered \"having a small penis is bad\" tweet is massively amplified, reached r/all on a shitload of subs, etc. so some discussion about whether or not that is cool is warranted",
">\n\nSmall dick energy isn’t about having a small dick tho. It’s a reflection of an attitude that men who are offensive, aggressive, nasty to people are overcompensating for their insecurities. A small dick doesn’t mean you won’t be able to find a partner or that you’re any less of a man. Being a downright trash bag of a human to others, like in this instance where an internet edgelord is cyber bullying a teenager on the internet who is fighting for the survival of our planet/humanity is an example of this trash behavior, is more of a determining factor. \nYou can also have a small dick but have big dick energy, as it’s reflective of who you are as a person. It’s an attitude. It’s who you choose to be to yourself and others. Hell, there’s women who use the term that they have big dick energy and I can tell you those women’s dicks are none existent so therefore size isn’t a thing. \nNo one should be made fun of for something they had no control over. The worth of a man is not tied to the size of his penis. Although, toxic masculinity and shallow people will tell you different. They say the same for disabled people, fat people etc. There’s plenty of people who are not “conventional standards of beauty” which is the majority of us, that lead happy, healthy relationships. Those relationships start with yourself and understanding your worth as a person isn’t tied to what you look like or how big your junk is. \nThe point is if you choose to be a trash person like Tate, where your self worth is tied into how cruel/offensive you can be to other people, don’t be mad if people call you out for that trashy attitude. Your post definitely reeks of “men are the true victims” when clearly you didn’t seem to have a problem with a grown man cyber bullying a teenager.",
">\n\nI like how you imply that OP is a fan of a literal human trafficker because they point out that a body-shaming insult is body-shaming. Do you understand why associating a trait of someone's body with negative personality traits is bad?",
">\n\nNo because people like this always have exceptions that allow them to use the things they complain about. Cognitive gymnastics allows them to recognise shaming women and people of colour is bad, because society will eat them otherwise, but when someone shows up who deserves a bit of a roasting all of their social etiquette rules go out the window and the excuses come out as to why in this context it doesn't count.\n\"Ahh no, here it is a reflection of an attitude\" blah blah 3 paragraphs later and we've clouded over the simple fact that body shaming is body shaming and harms people you weren't intending to insult.",
">\n\nPeople like this? You’re assuming things about me because I am a character in your mind not a real person. I am not a monolith. We should not be body shaming people. I am explaining the other side of this issue and why people use these terms. You never asked if I use these same terms in my life. You assumed I do. I don’t. You didn’t even bother to read my response because if you did you would have realized this.",
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">\n\nYou can have smol pp but big pp energy and vice versa",
">\n\nSo why is the phrase small dick energy if it has nothing to do with having a small dick?",
">\n\nIdk man, I just work here.",
">\n\nYou know why. Lol cause small dick is associated with bad. And by insulting dicks you use this knowledge to offend, at the cost of body shaming people. \nStop feigning dumb just to avoid the reasoning lol",
">\n\nI can see how it would be offensive, and I wouldn’t use it myself. I feel like the phrase refers more to how someone acts as opposed to how they are endowed. And how it’s behavior and actions that make people think down of you not your penis.",
">\n\nPoint is that we, as a society, should encourage better insults that attack the comments of the person without necessarily having to equate it to something someone with a small dick.",
">\n\nWould you agree with me, that if Andrew clapped back with one of those that the internet would be up in arms about it?",
">\n\nYou mean the way that you are, here, on the internet, up in arms?",
">\n\nIm one person on reddit, theres no major backlash like there would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\nSee, what's happening here is that you are also looking at people who are \"one person on Reddit\" and pretending it's a major backlash. Andrew Tate says fucked up things about women all the time (in fact, it's kind of his whole schtick) and it's as much of a non-event as this is.",
">\n\nPlease link me to something fucked up hes said about women, and ill agree with you, two wrongs don't make a right.",
">\n\nHere's exhibit A.",
">\n\nSure I agree with you he has said fucked up stuff about women, it doesn't mean its okay to make a joke about small dick energy.\nDo you understand my point?",
">\n\nWe understand, it's just that your point is fucking stupid",
">\n\nYou have no idea what his point is, it's funny that people on this thread OP and others actually like Andrew Tate.\nIt proves that everyone is completely frothingly tribalistic with zero nuance.",
">\n\nIf someone is behaving insufferably, people are going to laugh at them for things that they wouldn’t find funny if it happened to someone they liked.\nFor example, is it funny when people go bankrupt? No. Would it be funny if someone like Andrew Tate went bankrupt after boasting about Bugattis and all of his mass wealth? Yes. This doesn’t mean people who would make fun of him for that are making fun of poverty or all people who lose their livelihoods, it would just be funny if it happened to that particular person. \nIn the same way, the idea that Tate does all the douchey, over the top macho things that he does in order to compensate for having a small penis is funny, whilst it not being funny to make fun of every person who has a small penis.",
">\n\nSubstitute fat. Is that ok?",
">\n\nDepends on what the fat person is doing. If the person is minding their own business then no, if the fat person is attacking other people’s appearances then yeah go for it.",
">\n\nInteresting take. Might want to play with that a bit. A lot of situations where your reasoning falls apart.",
">\n\nPeople insulted Trump for being fat when he tried to say he was like the most fit person ever. People make fun of Elon Musk's body. You can make the same type of insult to two different people and it come off two different ways. \nWhen you make your identity or argument around something it opens up certain insults and comebacks. \nTate's whole thing is trying to act like this \"alpha male\" when in reality he's a sex trafficking weirdo who pays women to hang out with him. It's totally fine to insult him with a childish insult. \nI also find that people worried or mad about this don't actually care about body image issues. They just want a gotcha moment for people. Because many would have shitty takes about fat people or whine about pc culture.",
">\n\nWhen you call some MF that doesn't necessarily mean you are a MF... I'm not saying it's okay to say abusing words but we still do use them.\nI don't think she said it in literal terms, it was completely literary. Also she only said it cause it was Tate who she said it to. Also if a woman has small tits and someone said to someone else that they have small tits energy, I don't think one who actually has small tits would mind it, cause she is not involved and it's kinda perfect way of irritating Tate.. cause he really cares about these things. \nWhen it comes to increasing the insecurity of someone who actually has small D and is insecure about it... She couldn't think so far cause all she wanted was to irritate Tate and she was successful",
">\n\nI don't think it even irritated him if that was her goal but definitely helped him with popularity. It just proves what he says people think of insecure men, it just moves them to him and he gains more influence. It was an ignorant reply in poor taste. Someone with much following and influence as Greta shouldn't be as irresponsible and the followers shouldn't be having to do mental gymnastics to defend her instead of seeing it as it is: body shaming against men.",
">\n\nIs this some kind of weird meta-game? Are Andrew Tate fans pretending to actually be offended by this stupid insult to prove a point? Does anybody actually think her retort was any sharper than a brick wrapped in a wet blanket?\nWhat is going on here?!",
">\n\n\nWhat is going on here?!\n\nAndrew Tate fans have a lot of small dick energy. That's whats going on.",
">\n\nWhy are people not allowed dislike tate (he's an absolute idiot and a grifter) and also to criticize obvious body shaming from a supposed progressive? If Biden started talking about \"N*gger energy\" criticizing Kanye for antisemitism, would that be ok in your eyes? Would you say that a black guy who doesn't like that must be an angry Kanye fan? Or is it disgustingly offensive towards all African Americans to use that type of language no matter what?",
">\n\nBecause it suits their narrative to frame it as if people are just defending tate. It's easier than just actually defending body shaming. Done deal.",
">\n\nI think Greta used that phrase not because she actually believes or wants to promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior, but because people like Andrew Tate believe and promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior. If Andrew Tate gets hurt because Greta says he has small dick energy, then maybe -- just maybe, with the tiniest bit of introspection -- he'll come to realize how hateful some of his language is.\nBullies like Andrew Tate don't really respond to logic or pleas for sympathy. The only way to maybe make them understand the hurt they cause is to inflict it on them, because they don't care about anyone but themselves. \nSo instead of putting the cart before the horse and blaming Greta for using an offensive phrase as an argumentative tactic, maybe blame the people who use the phrase to actually demean people.",
">\n\nCan we substitute fat instead and be justified?",
">\n\nYes people did that with Trump when he claimed to be the fittest person ever basically. If someone has a habit of insulting people a certain way or making certain claims then they open themselves up to specific insults. \nSometimes we'd find those insults not tasteful if said to other people. But I feel like most people equating this to fat insults don't actually care about fat people. A lot of people would also be like oh things are getting too pc or soft or woke when it comes to body positivity towards fat people. So for me it's hard to buy this line of reasoning as being truly valid or caring.",
">\n\nNo one said it has to be authentic caring. This sub is for exploring the intellectual arguments. Your perception of how authentic someone’s feelings towards fat people is basically irrelevant. Argue the point or don’t. Passing your authenticity test is a wierd standard to try to argue for.",
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">\n\nYes, making insults is offensive. That's the point.\nInsults that reference a body part are also offensive to people who are insecure about that body part. That's also kinda obvious.\nWhat do you want your mind changed about here? I'm unclear about what you think can be discussed about an insult meant to be insulting. Are you arguing that this insult is especially wrong in some way?\nHow is this not just you soapboxing?",
">\n\nThere's a reason as a society we don't use insults like \"retard\". This is in the same vein. You're attributing a negative thing with a man having a small penis. This is harmful as it perpetuates the stigma surrounding penis size which is outside ones control. Essentially it degrades a group of people who have nothing to do with it. OP wants to know whether or not this is reconciled. Reading the comments... It has not been. \nMaking gendered insults doesn't bother me truthfully but I can understand the frustration OP is expressing because were it to be a man making some edgy reference to a woman's lady parts being inadequate as a way to demean them then everyone would be outraged as opposed to cheering it on.",
">\n\nUsing “small dick” as an insult, or “loose pussy” isn’t really offensive unless you are insecure about the physical viability of your reproductive organs. \nBut, that doesn’t make it funny. It’s a really juvenile and uncreative way of ridiculing someone.",
">\n\nInsecure women are offended when they're fat shamed.\nIt's still body shaming.\nIt's still wrong.",
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">\n\nGuy randomly decides to flex on her by saying I HAVE CARS AND I LIKE TO GO VROOOOM. It's like when Piers decides that it's absolutely important to eat meat in front of vegans. It's not about penis size. It's just that smalldickenergy is a perfect explanation of why would someone decide to behave like this.",
">\n\nShe is 19. Maybe in a few years she will have more mature insults. It’s a lot of pressure to be put on someone so young to also say the perfect thing all the time",
">\n\nUnder nearly all circumstances, I agree with you.\nHowever, for a lot of people who have built a cult of personality around any given ideal, insults of the inoffensive type are completely commonplace. All they have to do is fend off one or two instances of this PG rated attacks, strawman them, call them snowflakes, and their following is bolstered and enhanced. Instead of having any negative effect, it becomes part of their inherent power.\nSometimes if you want to rattle a cult leader you have to hit with precision their most critical weakness and watch them implode. The fact that Tate is squirming so hard and doing everything he can to reclaim some of his dignity after Greta's clapback means that she has his number. Great isn't saying that having a small dick is bad, but knowing that Tate's entire personality is built about being an alpha male and that calling into question the size of his member will hurt him the most is what she was after. \nOf course, it wasn't classy and could be offensive to some. But as the saying goes, sometimes you have to fight fire with fire.",
">\n\nReally is he squirming? \nHe's rich he's popular and now he's gotten someone he disagrees with to repeat his ideology and platform spreading it to a wider audience. \nI'd argue he's happy for the attention and popularity that she's given to him now and enjoying the increased sales in his business as more men who feel marginalized and left out join him seeing this hypocrisy playing out. Not to mention all the political players( internationally) who were against climate action seeing all this and aligning themselves appropriately, possibly propping him up and making him something more than what he actually is- An ignorant troll. \nEngage with a troll and you only give them more power. The tweet was dumb and people should know better.\nEdit: spacing",
">\n\nI'm not commenting on whether or not his fans will like him more or if the controversy will inadvertently grant him a wider audience. \nI'm commenting that Greta knew exactly where and how to hit him the hardest. Yes, he is definitely squirming. He has scrambled out half a dozen prepubescent \"I know you are but what am I\" tweets. Then he went and made the absolute cringiest response video. He's incensed by being talked down to by Greta and is overcompensating. \nDid her tweet have any net positive effect on society? No. Did it ruffle Tate's feathers and make his blood boil? Yea. Would he have even cared if she called him a misogynistic prick? Absolutely not. He would have just told her to sit down and shut up, that misogyny is made up by inferior women blah blah blah...\nInstead, his insecurities are eating him alive.",
">\n\nWhy even respond and give him attention that he so desperately craves? And why body shame men in the process? \nIf she didn't have a better insult she could have just went on with her life instead of helping him grow. Using \"small dick energy\" as an insult means implicitly we agree that people with small penises are inferior and undesirable. That's basically what Tate is on about ( Toxic masculinity). And by laughing at her tweet we all reinforce that perception. Do you get that? \nSick of double standards and hypocrisy. At least people should have the courage to own up and acknowledge it then move on instead of doubling down and performing mental gymnastics to justify an obvious case of body shaming.\nI agree with you on one thing that the net effect on society because of this tweet exchange is negative and only serves the people who Greta and her followers hate.",
">\n\nI think you are missing what I am saying. I fully agree that it wasn't necessary nor was it the right thing for Greta to do. I also agree that it just gives him attention and was overall a useless venture other for the entertainment of Tate haters.\nOP asked why it is okay. I stated that it isn't okay but that I understand why Greta took that road rather than the suggested non-offensive approach. It is because he's immune to it. What he isn't immune to is his masculinity and ego being questioned. What is the point of the Wolf continuing to blow on the brick house? None. To get to the scared little piggies inside he needs a jackhammer. \nAnd it worked exactly how she planned it to. He was rattled and anyone who hates Tate is amused. \nNot saying it's the right thing to do, nor do I want anyone to feel ashamed of the size of their penis.",
">\n\nOk.. thanks for elaborating on that. I misunderstood your comment as a disagreement and engaged to try and change your mind but seems we share the same view.",
">\n\nYou do not know what Greta is \"fully aware\" of. She is referring to character and behaviour, why are you taking this personally? She isn't speaking to you, hasn't seen you, doesn't know you. I don't know why you are externalizing your issue like this and waving it around in public, is it our responsibility to fix this for you?\nShe was just making a tiny joke. Relax. smalldickenergy @ getalife .com is hilarious.",
">\n\nAside from everything else, it's men who started the 'big dick energy' idiocy so to then complain when someone uses their own stupidity against them...",
">\n\nYeah because men are a monolith and we all meet in a room and know each other smh.",
">\n\nThey’re saying it’s offensive to more than just Andrew Tate",
">\n\nYeah but again, ISN'T THE PURPOSE",
">\n\nWhat do you mean again? You didn’t say that before. And why does the purpose matter? You can do a bad thing without meaning to.",
">\n\nI meant to say isn't that the purpose lol mb",
">\n\nOh lol I probably should have realized that. But I think the point of the insult was to offend Andrew Tate.",
">\n\nFair. Trying to not say anything about him one way or another so I don't get downvoted to hell.",
">\n\nGreta lost that argument. She literally has like a hundred things Tate has said and done she could attack. Easy target... The one thing she chose to do is to body shame the man. It's just name calling. It's not a refutation of Tate. If anything it makes her sound stupid for her inability to come up with a refutation.",
">\n\nExactly. But people are just cheering her on and laughing along without grasping the nuance of the situation.",
">\n\nI think you are kinda missing the point. People know it offensive. The issue is that they don't care.",
">\n\nPeople used to make fun of small tits all the time. Remember the 90s? Remember the itty bitty titty committee? I don't know if that's a thing any more, but skinny women with no butts are definitely not seen as attractive. It's not fair. It's not their fault. People need to stop shaming themselves and eachother, and accept all bodies. Until then, \"small dick energy\" won't cease to be an insult. I guess the difference is people are sort of \"punching up\" since it's always been people with dicks who have the power in this world. I've never heard a dude say that another dude has \"small dick energy.\" It's always a woman saying that. Either way I think it's dumb but I get it. I've always thought \"Karen\" was a dumb insult too. Not someone's fault they were named Karen, LOL.",
">\n\nAndrew insulted her. He was asking for this insult. She was totally in the right. She wasn’t trying to shame anyone else. You’re asking for this insult too.",
">\n\nIsn't it more offensive for small pp folk, that there is a guy who base his entire existence on top of an argument that being an alpha, prime male is the most important thing in the world, and you need to be a testosterone bomb gorilla to have any kind of value. Isn't that argument disregards small dick guys in the first place?",
">\n\nAnd Greta just reinforced it with her reply. Do you see the problem now?\nEdit:replaced \"comment\" with \"reply\"",
">\n\nI believe I've already made a statement about what the problem is.",
">\n\nThen do you understand why Greta's reply is offensive and playing into Andrew Tate's hands?",
">\n\nLol this is twitter. There is no playing into each other's hands. Get outside.",
">\n\nOh look. Greta is human. Someone who spent a lot of her growing up time trying to educate people.\nIf she was in a bar and some doofus made a pass, she's just asserting herself. Age and context. Good on her.",
">\n\nIt is actually been studied. Men with small penises actually do have less energy- testosterone or something.",
">\n\nBeing offended by anything is each person's individual choice. If something is offensive to you, then simply choose to not be offended by it. It's truly that simple.",
">\n\nSo there is no such thing as hate speech?",
">\n\nNo, I didn't say that. Someone can certainly say something to someone that they hate with words that they feel will harm them mentally. That is \"hate speech\". The point I was trying to make is that we all as individuals have the choice to react to whatever someone says in whatever way we choose to react. If I feel offended by something that someone is saying, it is my choice to be offended by it.",
">\n\nI pretty much agree, but now we come to who decides. Does the person doing the talking decide whether it is hate speech? Or the person being talked at?",
">\n\nThere is no decision. The person who is talking thinks that what they are saying is not hateful, or they do. The person being talked at thinks that what the other person is saying is hateful, or they don't. The point is that it only matters if you make it matter to you. For example, if I say you are the dumbest person on earth, am I committing the crime of hate speech? Are you the dumbest person on earth? Probably not. But maybe I believe that you are. Does that make it true? If so, then it's not hate speech it's the truth...to me. If you, personally, believe that you are not the dumbest person on earth, then why would you concern yourself with what my dumbass has to say? To you, I'm the dumbest person on earth. I hope I'm getting my point across here.",
">\n\nSo we agree then? No laws regarding hate speech at all. You just ignore it and move on.",
">\n\nYes, sir.",
">\n\nYup",
">\n\nWhat if I say that I am offended that you are offended that you say \"small dick energy\" is offensive to men that are insecure about their size? Say I'm a man with a huge, massive dong. Say it's been a huge issue for me all my life. Let's say, hypothetically, that I am hugely insecure about the massive size of my dong and it's given me problems all my life. Every time I, hypothetically, go for a jog it's constantly flopping all over the place chaffing up my leg. Every time I have sex it's always this huge issue and only like half of the thing can go in before the receiver is like \"oh my god, stop, that's too much!\" Every time I receive oral sex, anything more than an inch beyond the tip causes a gag reflex. Does that sound exciting to you? Here you are bragging about your completely normal sized penis and all your normal sized penis sex and here this hypothetical person with a huge massive dong has all these issues. I can see how a hypothetical person with this debilitating issue would take offense that you take offense.",
">\n\nShe's an edgelord",
">\n\nreddit",
">\n\nSounds like a skill issue",
">\n\nDo you really get that offended? It's not like males themselves haven't sexualized females and their bodies and have said even worse and more common things about them? But we get offended over sum small? pun intended",
">\n\n“Some males have sexualized females therefore it’s fine for society to make fun of penis size.”",
">\n\nSociety? I don't see everyone (which represents society) doing it 😂 maybe you are focusing too much on negativity and that's all you see",
">\n\nSaying “small dick energy” is inherently a negative thing because it’s an insult. It also implies that there’s something bad about less endowed people because Tate is being compared to that demographic. \nWhen I say society, I mean that a decent percentage of people have “____ dick energy” built into their vocabulary to the point where the meaning of these terms is widely agreed on and it loses it’s direct connection to the penis. This doesn’t mean that the term is appropriate to use though since it originated from actual body shaming.",
">\n\nBattle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.",
">\n\nI think you should consider the situation at hand and less the use of insults as an absolute \nAndrew Tate absolutely deserves it",
">\n\nthe post its about the insult. \n\"Yeah I called this person a N... but lets focus on how bad that person is!!\"\nThe insult not only its very inflammatory (shows patriarcal estigmas,Its body shaming, reinforces toxic masculinity)\nIts also an extremely weak answer, its a groundless ad hominem. I would dare to argue the insult talks more about breta and his internalized toxic patriarcal estigmas than anything against tate.",
">\n\nGreta didn't start this. He was harassing her.",
">\n\n\"He started it\" -That's a toddler's excuse lmao",
">\n\nSo, in your opinion, Greta would have insulted him whether he had harassed her first, or not?",
">\n\nHer insulting him isn't the problem here. Its how she insulted him that's problematic.",
">\n\nWell, if he didn't want to be insulted, he could've done pretty much anything else with his time. I love the way you think people should be able to gatekeep how other people should hurt the feelings of people who are harassing them.",
">\n\nI'm not defending him or saying his feelings are hurt or that he doesn't deserve the insult. You're completely missing the point of this post and what we've been discussing. \n\"Body shaming is acceptable when it's directed at people we don't like\"- this is the hypocrisy that's being pointed out. It's not about who's better Tate or Greta but it's the bigger issue of shaming men's insecurities without any regard to their mental health. Do you get it now?",
">\n\nI think I do. It hadn't occurred to me that you might have a small penis. My apologies. Perhaps just as Greta Thurnberg travels the world as an advocate for awareness of Climate Change, you can break down the stereotype that people with small penises have energy. You should probably do as little as possible, though, since you don't want to be accused of having \"energy.\"",
">\n\nWasted my time replying after your \"he started it\" comment smh. Toddler mentality gugu gaga talk to me after you understand the issue.\nEdit: issue",
">\n\nI'm sorry about your peepee. But you have taught me not to trust stereotypes. And learning is fundamental.",
">\n\nI almost forgot. Please don't use the word toddler. It's offensive to small children.",
">\n\nFirst of all \"small dick energy\" shames the energy, not the small dick. It shames the fact to be insecure by your dick size (which is a metaphor for being insecure about your masculinity in general) and overcompensate by doing big manly stuff. It doesn't shame the fact to have a small dick.\nYou can argue that it is as bad, but it's important to understand that.",
">\n\nDon't be a cunt mate.",
">\n\nTechnically yes its body shaming but it's not that big a deal I think",
">\n\nIt has more to do with how they're acting rather than actual anatomy size.",
">\n\ncouple things: small dicks is one of the things about men that men tend to care about to an obsessive degree, that women do to a way lesser degree but pretend to, because men typically like to have a very braggadocious and obnoxious attitude about everything. this tate guy is that to the nth degree. so i mean if anyone deserves being called \"SDE\" its this tate guy \nsecond thing is that people who genuinely do have small dicks don't own that they have what they do; they lie about it. people who really do own that they have small dicks aren't made fun of for having them, because its not funny; the whole point is that you're lying about it and pretending like you're some big shot stud asshole, when you're not. if you own that you have a small dick, then ironically, you don't have \"SDE\"; you own what you have, you're not overcompensating and pretending to be something you're not. \nso if greta thunburg was to call, say, howard stern \"SDE\", a dude who owns that he has a small dick and makes fun of himself for it, then it wouldn't be funny. and howard stern even IS a braggadocious asshole. andrew tate is just wayyyyy more of one, and he pretend like he's god's gift to women. \nin general when it comes to \"oh poor men won't anybody think of the men\" i just cringe. i'm not the most liberal guy. but conservative guys just reappropriating the oppression olympics self-victimization shit and applying it to themselves is just pathetic.",
">\n\nSmall dick guy here... I always felt like guys like Howard Stern were compensating for it by self-loathing comedy. That's a big thing comedians do in general, and so to me it's always hard to say a guy truly doesn't care about it just because he's joking about it. On the other hand, maybe I'm just projecting, because I'll poke fun at my tiny pecker and not really care if someone makes fun of me for it, but it also does truly bother me a little bit when I hear things like, \"Oh that guy is an asshole, he must be mad because he has a tiny dick.\" Like... As if all us small guys are just furious that we aren't gonna win the dick-measuring contest that we let it affect our daily lives. It's a matter of extremes I think. I'm sure there's some guys with small ones that genuinely don't give a single fuck, and others who let it influence their entire lives, but I think most men with a small wang living in a society which implies that's a bad thing are going to end up somewhere in the middle of the scale.\nThe people I really feel bad for are the young people. Growing up with a small dick is a million times harder than being an adult with one. For the most part, nobody really cares if you're a grown man that's small, but when you're a teenager you feel like everybody cares. I had a really hard time wanting to pursue girls because of it, always worried about what their reaction would be, is they'd tell their girlfriends and it would get back to the other guys, etc. And that DOES happen... I remember being at the lunch table and someone saying, 'Did you hear Mike's dick is only x inches?\" and I'd be sitting there like, an inch shorter than Mike and pretending that I found it as funny as everyone else around the table. It didn't really hit me until I was much older that I probably wasn't the only one at the table doing that. Plus I always thought it was weird like, at least that was evidence \"Mike\" was getting some, why should he care if it was small? It wasn't until I got over it and had a few flings and girlfriends that I realized it made such a little difference (pun intended) than what I had built it up to in my mind.\nSo I mean... Yeah, I think some guys do truly have small dick energy, but all that means is they're insecure and I think it kind of sucks that people don't think about the feelings of people who had no part of the fight who get their feelings hurt as collateral damage, and that somehow just because of the douche the insult was leveled at we go, \"Haha you feel insecure about your body!\"\nOne thing it makes me think about that I'm guilty of is calling guys closet-cases. Yeah, I am just trying to point out they're overcompensating about things because they are ashamed of their sexuality, but I don't really take a pause and think, \"Wow, I bet that makes the people actually in the closet feel like shit.\" In some ways, I think it's even worse than just simple body shaming that as a society we're going around making fun of people for issues that could very well be deep seeded mental health issues, or could become so.",
">\n\nidk i just think that the only people being accused of having small dicks are people who are so obnoxious that it feels like they're compensating, like this guy. so sure its \"body shaming\", but a) body shaming is just something that happens that idk if we can ever really do anything about, because human beings value different body parts differently, and b) its only really shaming people because of their behavior, not their bodies. its shaming their behavior, by implying something about their bodies that would be embarrassing particularly for a person who is displaying this behavior, like tate does, because somebody that obsessed with getting chicks would probably be extremely concerned if people thought he had a small dick.",
">\n\nYeah that's the thing though, for me it really bothers me more that people think I'm going around being an asshole, driving a huge truck or otherwise trying to compensate just because my dick is small. I can also see the idea that it implies that having a small dick is bad. I mean just the idea that you can 'accuse' anyone of it implies there's something wrong with it.\nI mean, to me that's easier to hand-wave the idea that there's something wrong with it since I've had enough lived experience to know it doesn't matter. However, I feel like there's probably a lot of people out there who haven't who are still really hung up on it, particularly young people. I know I already brought up homosexuality, but it reminds me of when people use to say you shouldn't call things gay because it puts a negative connotation on homosexuality. Speaking of that, there's that phrase, \"It gets better,\" that is used to comfort/console LGTBQ youths and I think it should be applied to body-image issues too--whether that be penis size, breast size, weight, whatever. Looking back on my life, it was definitely the insecurities that negatively effected me far more than my actual size ever did. \nBut yeah I also feel like there's kind of a lot of people just trying to paint this as her being caught being a hypocrite or something, and I agree with you that I especially hate it when men frame it as some kind of, \"Oh look, see, we're oppressed too. So much for feminism!\" kind of argument.\nI guess I just see both sides of it.",
">\n\nVery well put. I honestly think you have changed some minds today. Hopefully more people stop and think before blindly defending someone they look up to.",
">\n\nI have a small dick, it's fine",
">\n\nThat's the point.",
">\n\nNo shit.",
">\n\n\"small dick energy\" isn't mocking someone for their penis size but for behaving in a way that they are compensating for insecurities and people like Tait measure their masculinity in \"I own cars\" is the epitome of trying to mask insecurities",
">\n\nI think the point about \"energy\" keeps being ignored. \nYou can have a small dick, but with thoughtfulness and confidence never have \"small dick energy\"\nYou can have a big schlong and be a needy jerkstore which gives you \"small dick energy\"\nAnd you can be like Andrew Tate and have a very small one and have \"small dick energy\" and be an absolute creepy, dumbass attention goblin.\nThe grand majority of people don't give a flip about the size of your dick. People with dicks care about the size of their own dick. It's the assumption that everyone cares as much as they do about their dick that's the real problem.",
">\n\nSo you agree the stereotype is false ..... and hurtful. If it's really an assumption as you say then people won't use \"tiny dick\" as an insult on people they don't like right? If no one really cares then there's no need to use it as an insult anyway right? Right??\nBut they do because it's socially acceptable to body shame men for some reason. Just see the tweet posts in other subs and their comments section laughing along, cheering her on and poking fun at men who have small penises and the stereotypes associated with such.",
">\n\nI don't know how old you are but like.\nSaying small dick energy actually has anything to do with the size of someone's dick is like culturally irrelevant.\nLike you can have a tiny dick and still have big dick energy and you can have a big dick and have small dick energy.\nBecause, Most people who need to project their insecurities are insulted by the size assumption.\nIt's more about the idea of insulting someone by saying they're just trying to project masculinity. This is the same reason why being in small dick energy is really used in all circles and not just as a male centered insult.\nLike buck and stud lesbians love the fuck out of that term.\nPeople with a small dick who get insulted by the general idea of small dick energy as an insult need to deal with their own insecurities.\nI'd much rather have a small dick than small dick energy.",
">\n\nIf the size is irrelevant, why associate being small with only negative traits and being big with only positive traits? You can't, and you could just say that being smaller makes you a bad person. It would be more honest. I'm sure people dealing with insecurities appreciate being associated with a human trafficker...",
">\n\nLike I said I have a small dick and would rather have a small dick than have small dick energy.\nThe whole point is that the only people who care about size are people who are easily insecure.\nIt's because they care the people making the jokes know that size doesn't matter and they're not making fun of people who have small dicks they're making fun of the people who care so much about what the size of their dick is that an influences their entire self worth.",
">\n\nThere are plenty of secure people who care about size. They are big, so they don't get made fun of. The people who make the jokes, whether they realize it or not, imply that small = bad person. It reinforces to insecure people that they are wrong for something that they have no control over and that people around them, including loved ones, would think lesser of them, because they probably would if they are making these jokes."
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I'M pointing out that not everyone who is offended is a bad person, but people, like anyone defending this phrase, are just going to pretend to not understand because this is something people don't care if you make fun of, so this is just a waste of time.
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"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult.",
">\n\nIt's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh.",
">\n\nHonestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV",
">\n\nPeople can make mistakes and this was one of them.. so we can all just criticize her reply fairly and move on. No need for acute mental gymnastics to defend her as this comments section is showing lmao.",
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">\n\nI don't think anyone is arguing it's not offensive. I'm pretty sure she was trying to offend insecure men. Apparently with great success.",
">\n\nShe was trying to offend men who were insecure about their body image?\nHow is that not body shaming?",
">\n\nIt is, but we playing the avoidance and rationalization game",
">\n\nbecause women invented \"small dick energy\"\nharsh, sad. but we go jim🗿",
">\n\nOP never mentioned women tho. Post is strictly about why it's offensive. Do you disagree that it's not offensive or you think it's a trivial matter to make fun of that men's mental health doesn't matter as much?",
">\n\nThe female equivalent is\n\"Loose Pussy Energy\".\nThe typical man-hate hypocrisy commonly going around is beyond obvious. And it is an attack on All men and boys not just some.",
">\n\nNot a disagreement per se, but also worth noting that it’s transphobic. Which is to say, it insults all men by reinforcing patriarchy and punching down to two groups of men.",
">\n\nShe said small dick energy. Not that he had a small dick (though, come on). She used that phrase BECAUSE it's Tate. She's not a moron.\nHe is, as evidenced by his life to this point and his two responses to Thunberg, which were epically pathetic, is a moron and didn't seem to get it, though he doesn't get a lot.",
">\n\nThis is worse than saying he has a small dick, because how would she know, and that would just be dismissed as stupid.\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\nI can't understand the mental gymnastics some people are doing to try and say this isn't body shaming.",
">\n\n\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\n\nI mean yeah -- kind of like how pussy is an insult denoting cowardice, cunt is an insult meaning basically, terrible, etc., \nShe used that on purpose. Are you making CMV every time you see someone calling someone else a pussy?",
">\n\nPussy is kind of already known to be a shitty gendered insult so it doesn't need a CMV. In this case, Greta's gendered \"having a small penis is bad\" tweet is massively amplified, reached r/all on a shitload of subs, etc. so some discussion about whether or not that is cool is warranted",
">\n\nSmall dick energy isn’t about having a small dick tho. It’s a reflection of an attitude that men who are offensive, aggressive, nasty to people are overcompensating for their insecurities. A small dick doesn’t mean you won’t be able to find a partner or that you’re any less of a man. Being a downright trash bag of a human to others, like in this instance where an internet edgelord is cyber bullying a teenager on the internet who is fighting for the survival of our planet/humanity is an example of this trash behavior, is more of a determining factor. \nYou can also have a small dick but have big dick energy, as it’s reflective of who you are as a person. It’s an attitude. It’s who you choose to be to yourself and others. Hell, there’s women who use the term that they have big dick energy and I can tell you those women’s dicks are none existent so therefore size isn’t a thing. \nNo one should be made fun of for something they had no control over. The worth of a man is not tied to the size of his penis. Although, toxic masculinity and shallow people will tell you different. They say the same for disabled people, fat people etc. There’s plenty of people who are not “conventional standards of beauty” which is the majority of us, that lead happy, healthy relationships. Those relationships start with yourself and understanding your worth as a person isn’t tied to what you look like or how big your junk is. \nThe point is if you choose to be a trash person like Tate, where your self worth is tied into how cruel/offensive you can be to other people, don’t be mad if people call you out for that trashy attitude. Your post definitely reeks of “men are the true victims” when clearly you didn’t seem to have a problem with a grown man cyber bullying a teenager.",
">\n\nI like how you imply that OP is a fan of a literal human trafficker because they point out that a body-shaming insult is body-shaming. Do you understand why associating a trait of someone's body with negative personality traits is bad?",
">\n\nNo because people like this always have exceptions that allow them to use the things they complain about. Cognitive gymnastics allows them to recognise shaming women and people of colour is bad, because society will eat them otherwise, but when someone shows up who deserves a bit of a roasting all of their social etiquette rules go out the window and the excuses come out as to why in this context it doesn't count.\n\"Ahh no, here it is a reflection of an attitude\" blah blah 3 paragraphs later and we've clouded over the simple fact that body shaming is body shaming and harms people you weren't intending to insult.",
">\n\nPeople like this? You’re assuming things about me because I am a character in your mind not a real person. I am not a monolith. We should not be body shaming people. I am explaining the other side of this issue and why people use these terms. You never asked if I use these same terms in my life. You assumed I do. I don’t. You didn’t even bother to read my response because if you did you would have realized this.",
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">\n\nYou can have smol pp but big pp energy and vice versa",
">\n\nSo why is the phrase small dick energy if it has nothing to do with having a small dick?",
">\n\nIdk man, I just work here.",
">\n\nYou know why. Lol cause small dick is associated with bad. And by insulting dicks you use this knowledge to offend, at the cost of body shaming people. \nStop feigning dumb just to avoid the reasoning lol",
">\n\nI can see how it would be offensive, and I wouldn’t use it myself. I feel like the phrase refers more to how someone acts as opposed to how they are endowed. And how it’s behavior and actions that make people think down of you not your penis.",
">\n\nPoint is that we, as a society, should encourage better insults that attack the comments of the person without necessarily having to equate it to something someone with a small dick.",
">\n\nWould you agree with me, that if Andrew clapped back with one of those that the internet would be up in arms about it?",
">\n\nYou mean the way that you are, here, on the internet, up in arms?",
">\n\nIm one person on reddit, theres no major backlash like there would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\nSee, what's happening here is that you are also looking at people who are \"one person on Reddit\" and pretending it's a major backlash. Andrew Tate says fucked up things about women all the time (in fact, it's kind of his whole schtick) and it's as much of a non-event as this is.",
">\n\nPlease link me to something fucked up hes said about women, and ill agree with you, two wrongs don't make a right.",
">\n\nHere's exhibit A.",
">\n\nSure I agree with you he has said fucked up stuff about women, it doesn't mean its okay to make a joke about small dick energy.\nDo you understand my point?",
">\n\nWe understand, it's just that your point is fucking stupid",
">\n\nYou have no idea what his point is, it's funny that people on this thread OP and others actually like Andrew Tate.\nIt proves that everyone is completely frothingly tribalistic with zero nuance.",
">\n\nIf someone is behaving insufferably, people are going to laugh at them for things that they wouldn’t find funny if it happened to someone they liked.\nFor example, is it funny when people go bankrupt? No. Would it be funny if someone like Andrew Tate went bankrupt after boasting about Bugattis and all of his mass wealth? Yes. This doesn’t mean people who would make fun of him for that are making fun of poverty or all people who lose their livelihoods, it would just be funny if it happened to that particular person. \nIn the same way, the idea that Tate does all the douchey, over the top macho things that he does in order to compensate for having a small penis is funny, whilst it not being funny to make fun of every person who has a small penis.",
">\n\nSubstitute fat. Is that ok?",
">\n\nDepends on what the fat person is doing. If the person is minding their own business then no, if the fat person is attacking other people’s appearances then yeah go for it.",
">\n\nInteresting take. Might want to play with that a bit. A lot of situations where your reasoning falls apart.",
">\n\nPeople insulted Trump for being fat when he tried to say he was like the most fit person ever. People make fun of Elon Musk's body. You can make the same type of insult to two different people and it come off two different ways. \nWhen you make your identity or argument around something it opens up certain insults and comebacks. \nTate's whole thing is trying to act like this \"alpha male\" when in reality he's a sex trafficking weirdo who pays women to hang out with him. It's totally fine to insult him with a childish insult. \nI also find that people worried or mad about this don't actually care about body image issues. They just want a gotcha moment for people. Because many would have shitty takes about fat people or whine about pc culture.",
">\n\nWhen you call some MF that doesn't necessarily mean you are a MF... I'm not saying it's okay to say abusing words but we still do use them.\nI don't think she said it in literal terms, it was completely literary. Also she only said it cause it was Tate who she said it to. Also if a woman has small tits and someone said to someone else that they have small tits energy, I don't think one who actually has small tits would mind it, cause she is not involved and it's kinda perfect way of irritating Tate.. cause he really cares about these things. \nWhen it comes to increasing the insecurity of someone who actually has small D and is insecure about it... She couldn't think so far cause all she wanted was to irritate Tate and she was successful",
">\n\nI don't think it even irritated him if that was her goal but definitely helped him with popularity. It just proves what he says people think of insecure men, it just moves them to him and he gains more influence. It was an ignorant reply in poor taste. Someone with much following and influence as Greta shouldn't be as irresponsible and the followers shouldn't be having to do mental gymnastics to defend her instead of seeing it as it is: body shaming against men.",
">\n\nIs this some kind of weird meta-game? Are Andrew Tate fans pretending to actually be offended by this stupid insult to prove a point? Does anybody actually think her retort was any sharper than a brick wrapped in a wet blanket?\nWhat is going on here?!",
">\n\n\nWhat is going on here?!\n\nAndrew Tate fans have a lot of small dick energy. That's whats going on.",
">\n\nWhy are people not allowed dislike tate (he's an absolute idiot and a grifter) and also to criticize obvious body shaming from a supposed progressive? If Biden started talking about \"N*gger energy\" criticizing Kanye for antisemitism, would that be ok in your eyes? Would you say that a black guy who doesn't like that must be an angry Kanye fan? Or is it disgustingly offensive towards all African Americans to use that type of language no matter what?",
">\n\nBecause it suits their narrative to frame it as if people are just defending tate. It's easier than just actually defending body shaming. Done deal.",
">\n\nI think Greta used that phrase not because she actually believes or wants to promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior, but because people like Andrew Tate believe and promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior. If Andrew Tate gets hurt because Greta says he has small dick energy, then maybe -- just maybe, with the tiniest bit of introspection -- he'll come to realize how hateful some of his language is.\nBullies like Andrew Tate don't really respond to logic or pleas for sympathy. The only way to maybe make them understand the hurt they cause is to inflict it on them, because they don't care about anyone but themselves. \nSo instead of putting the cart before the horse and blaming Greta for using an offensive phrase as an argumentative tactic, maybe blame the people who use the phrase to actually demean people.",
">\n\nCan we substitute fat instead and be justified?",
">\n\nYes people did that with Trump when he claimed to be the fittest person ever basically. If someone has a habit of insulting people a certain way or making certain claims then they open themselves up to specific insults. \nSometimes we'd find those insults not tasteful if said to other people. But I feel like most people equating this to fat insults don't actually care about fat people. A lot of people would also be like oh things are getting too pc or soft or woke when it comes to body positivity towards fat people. So for me it's hard to buy this line of reasoning as being truly valid or caring.",
">\n\nNo one said it has to be authentic caring. This sub is for exploring the intellectual arguments. Your perception of how authentic someone’s feelings towards fat people is basically irrelevant. Argue the point or don’t. Passing your authenticity test is a wierd standard to try to argue for.",
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">\n\nYes, making insults is offensive. That's the point.\nInsults that reference a body part are also offensive to people who are insecure about that body part. That's also kinda obvious.\nWhat do you want your mind changed about here? I'm unclear about what you think can be discussed about an insult meant to be insulting. Are you arguing that this insult is especially wrong in some way?\nHow is this not just you soapboxing?",
">\n\nThere's a reason as a society we don't use insults like \"retard\". This is in the same vein. You're attributing a negative thing with a man having a small penis. This is harmful as it perpetuates the stigma surrounding penis size which is outside ones control. Essentially it degrades a group of people who have nothing to do with it. OP wants to know whether or not this is reconciled. Reading the comments... It has not been. \nMaking gendered insults doesn't bother me truthfully but I can understand the frustration OP is expressing because were it to be a man making some edgy reference to a woman's lady parts being inadequate as a way to demean them then everyone would be outraged as opposed to cheering it on.",
">\n\nUsing “small dick” as an insult, or “loose pussy” isn’t really offensive unless you are insecure about the physical viability of your reproductive organs. \nBut, that doesn’t make it funny. It’s a really juvenile and uncreative way of ridiculing someone.",
">\n\nInsecure women are offended when they're fat shamed.\nIt's still body shaming.\nIt's still wrong.",
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">\n\nGuy randomly decides to flex on her by saying I HAVE CARS AND I LIKE TO GO VROOOOM. It's like when Piers decides that it's absolutely important to eat meat in front of vegans. It's not about penis size. It's just that smalldickenergy is a perfect explanation of why would someone decide to behave like this.",
">\n\nShe is 19. Maybe in a few years she will have more mature insults. It’s a lot of pressure to be put on someone so young to also say the perfect thing all the time",
">\n\nUnder nearly all circumstances, I agree with you.\nHowever, for a lot of people who have built a cult of personality around any given ideal, insults of the inoffensive type are completely commonplace. All they have to do is fend off one or two instances of this PG rated attacks, strawman them, call them snowflakes, and their following is bolstered and enhanced. Instead of having any negative effect, it becomes part of their inherent power.\nSometimes if you want to rattle a cult leader you have to hit with precision their most critical weakness and watch them implode. The fact that Tate is squirming so hard and doing everything he can to reclaim some of his dignity after Greta's clapback means that she has his number. Great isn't saying that having a small dick is bad, but knowing that Tate's entire personality is built about being an alpha male and that calling into question the size of his member will hurt him the most is what she was after. \nOf course, it wasn't classy and could be offensive to some. But as the saying goes, sometimes you have to fight fire with fire.",
">\n\nReally is he squirming? \nHe's rich he's popular and now he's gotten someone he disagrees with to repeat his ideology and platform spreading it to a wider audience. \nI'd argue he's happy for the attention and popularity that she's given to him now and enjoying the increased sales in his business as more men who feel marginalized and left out join him seeing this hypocrisy playing out. Not to mention all the political players( internationally) who were against climate action seeing all this and aligning themselves appropriately, possibly propping him up and making him something more than what he actually is- An ignorant troll. \nEngage with a troll and you only give them more power. The tweet was dumb and people should know better.\nEdit: spacing",
">\n\nI'm not commenting on whether or not his fans will like him more or if the controversy will inadvertently grant him a wider audience. \nI'm commenting that Greta knew exactly where and how to hit him the hardest. Yes, he is definitely squirming. He has scrambled out half a dozen prepubescent \"I know you are but what am I\" tweets. Then he went and made the absolute cringiest response video. He's incensed by being talked down to by Greta and is overcompensating. \nDid her tweet have any net positive effect on society? No. Did it ruffle Tate's feathers and make his blood boil? Yea. Would he have even cared if she called him a misogynistic prick? Absolutely not. He would have just told her to sit down and shut up, that misogyny is made up by inferior women blah blah blah...\nInstead, his insecurities are eating him alive.",
">\n\nWhy even respond and give him attention that he so desperately craves? And why body shame men in the process? \nIf she didn't have a better insult she could have just went on with her life instead of helping him grow. Using \"small dick energy\" as an insult means implicitly we agree that people with small penises are inferior and undesirable. That's basically what Tate is on about ( Toxic masculinity). And by laughing at her tweet we all reinforce that perception. Do you get that? \nSick of double standards and hypocrisy. At least people should have the courage to own up and acknowledge it then move on instead of doubling down and performing mental gymnastics to justify an obvious case of body shaming.\nI agree with you on one thing that the net effect on society because of this tweet exchange is negative and only serves the people who Greta and her followers hate.",
">\n\nI think you are missing what I am saying. I fully agree that it wasn't necessary nor was it the right thing for Greta to do. I also agree that it just gives him attention and was overall a useless venture other for the entertainment of Tate haters.\nOP asked why it is okay. I stated that it isn't okay but that I understand why Greta took that road rather than the suggested non-offensive approach. It is because he's immune to it. What he isn't immune to is his masculinity and ego being questioned. What is the point of the Wolf continuing to blow on the brick house? None. To get to the scared little piggies inside he needs a jackhammer. \nAnd it worked exactly how she planned it to. He was rattled and anyone who hates Tate is amused. \nNot saying it's the right thing to do, nor do I want anyone to feel ashamed of the size of their penis.",
">\n\nOk.. thanks for elaborating on that. I misunderstood your comment as a disagreement and engaged to try and change your mind but seems we share the same view.",
">\n\nYou do not know what Greta is \"fully aware\" of. She is referring to character and behaviour, why are you taking this personally? She isn't speaking to you, hasn't seen you, doesn't know you. I don't know why you are externalizing your issue like this and waving it around in public, is it our responsibility to fix this for you?\nShe was just making a tiny joke. Relax. smalldickenergy @ getalife .com is hilarious.",
">\n\nAside from everything else, it's men who started the 'big dick energy' idiocy so to then complain when someone uses their own stupidity against them...",
">\n\nYeah because men are a monolith and we all meet in a room and know each other smh.",
">\n\nThey’re saying it’s offensive to more than just Andrew Tate",
">\n\nYeah but again, ISN'T THE PURPOSE",
">\n\nWhat do you mean again? You didn’t say that before. And why does the purpose matter? You can do a bad thing without meaning to.",
">\n\nI meant to say isn't that the purpose lol mb",
">\n\nOh lol I probably should have realized that. But I think the point of the insult was to offend Andrew Tate.",
">\n\nFair. Trying to not say anything about him one way or another so I don't get downvoted to hell.",
">\n\nGreta lost that argument. She literally has like a hundred things Tate has said and done she could attack. Easy target... The one thing she chose to do is to body shame the man. It's just name calling. It's not a refutation of Tate. If anything it makes her sound stupid for her inability to come up with a refutation.",
">\n\nExactly. But people are just cheering her on and laughing along without grasping the nuance of the situation.",
">\n\nI think you are kinda missing the point. People know it offensive. The issue is that they don't care.",
">\n\nPeople used to make fun of small tits all the time. Remember the 90s? Remember the itty bitty titty committee? I don't know if that's a thing any more, but skinny women with no butts are definitely not seen as attractive. It's not fair. It's not their fault. People need to stop shaming themselves and eachother, and accept all bodies. Until then, \"small dick energy\" won't cease to be an insult. I guess the difference is people are sort of \"punching up\" since it's always been people with dicks who have the power in this world. I've never heard a dude say that another dude has \"small dick energy.\" It's always a woman saying that. Either way I think it's dumb but I get it. I've always thought \"Karen\" was a dumb insult too. Not someone's fault they were named Karen, LOL.",
">\n\nAndrew insulted her. He was asking for this insult. She was totally in the right. She wasn’t trying to shame anyone else. You’re asking for this insult too.",
">\n\nIsn't it more offensive for small pp folk, that there is a guy who base his entire existence on top of an argument that being an alpha, prime male is the most important thing in the world, and you need to be a testosterone bomb gorilla to have any kind of value. Isn't that argument disregards small dick guys in the first place?",
">\n\nAnd Greta just reinforced it with her reply. Do you see the problem now?\nEdit:replaced \"comment\" with \"reply\"",
">\n\nI believe I've already made a statement about what the problem is.",
">\n\nThen do you understand why Greta's reply is offensive and playing into Andrew Tate's hands?",
">\n\nLol this is twitter. There is no playing into each other's hands. Get outside.",
">\n\nOh look. Greta is human. Someone who spent a lot of her growing up time trying to educate people.\nIf she was in a bar and some doofus made a pass, she's just asserting herself. Age and context. Good on her.",
">\n\nIt is actually been studied. Men with small penises actually do have less energy- testosterone or something.",
">\n\nBeing offended by anything is each person's individual choice. If something is offensive to you, then simply choose to not be offended by it. It's truly that simple.",
">\n\nSo there is no such thing as hate speech?",
">\n\nNo, I didn't say that. Someone can certainly say something to someone that they hate with words that they feel will harm them mentally. That is \"hate speech\". The point I was trying to make is that we all as individuals have the choice to react to whatever someone says in whatever way we choose to react. If I feel offended by something that someone is saying, it is my choice to be offended by it.",
">\n\nI pretty much agree, but now we come to who decides. Does the person doing the talking decide whether it is hate speech? Or the person being talked at?",
">\n\nThere is no decision. The person who is talking thinks that what they are saying is not hateful, or they do. The person being talked at thinks that what the other person is saying is hateful, or they don't. The point is that it only matters if you make it matter to you. For example, if I say you are the dumbest person on earth, am I committing the crime of hate speech? Are you the dumbest person on earth? Probably not. But maybe I believe that you are. Does that make it true? If so, then it's not hate speech it's the truth...to me. If you, personally, believe that you are not the dumbest person on earth, then why would you concern yourself with what my dumbass has to say? To you, I'm the dumbest person on earth. I hope I'm getting my point across here.",
">\n\nSo we agree then? No laws regarding hate speech at all. You just ignore it and move on.",
">\n\nYes, sir.",
">\n\nYup",
">\n\nWhat if I say that I am offended that you are offended that you say \"small dick energy\" is offensive to men that are insecure about their size? Say I'm a man with a huge, massive dong. Say it's been a huge issue for me all my life. Let's say, hypothetically, that I am hugely insecure about the massive size of my dong and it's given me problems all my life. Every time I, hypothetically, go for a jog it's constantly flopping all over the place chaffing up my leg. Every time I have sex it's always this huge issue and only like half of the thing can go in before the receiver is like \"oh my god, stop, that's too much!\" Every time I receive oral sex, anything more than an inch beyond the tip causes a gag reflex. Does that sound exciting to you? Here you are bragging about your completely normal sized penis and all your normal sized penis sex and here this hypothetical person with a huge massive dong has all these issues. I can see how a hypothetical person with this debilitating issue would take offense that you take offense.",
">\n\nShe's an edgelord",
">\n\nreddit",
">\n\nSounds like a skill issue",
">\n\nDo you really get that offended? It's not like males themselves haven't sexualized females and their bodies and have said even worse and more common things about them? But we get offended over sum small? pun intended",
">\n\n“Some males have sexualized females therefore it’s fine for society to make fun of penis size.”",
">\n\nSociety? I don't see everyone (which represents society) doing it 😂 maybe you are focusing too much on negativity and that's all you see",
">\n\nSaying “small dick energy” is inherently a negative thing because it’s an insult. It also implies that there’s something bad about less endowed people because Tate is being compared to that demographic. \nWhen I say society, I mean that a decent percentage of people have “____ dick energy” built into their vocabulary to the point where the meaning of these terms is widely agreed on and it loses it’s direct connection to the penis. This doesn’t mean that the term is appropriate to use though since it originated from actual body shaming.",
">\n\nBattle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.",
">\n\nI think you should consider the situation at hand and less the use of insults as an absolute \nAndrew Tate absolutely deserves it",
">\n\nthe post its about the insult. \n\"Yeah I called this person a N... but lets focus on how bad that person is!!\"\nThe insult not only its very inflammatory (shows patriarcal estigmas,Its body shaming, reinforces toxic masculinity)\nIts also an extremely weak answer, its a groundless ad hominem. I would dare to argue the insult talks more about breta and his internalized toxic patriarcal estigmas than anything against tate.",
">\n\nGreta didn't start this. He was harassing her.",
">\n\n\"He started it\" -That's a toddler's excuse lmao",
">\n\nSo, in your opinion, Greta would have insulted him whether he had harassed her first, or not?",
">\n\nHer insulting him isn't the problem here. Its how she insulted him that's problematic.",
">\n\nWell, if he didn't want to be insulted, he could've done pretty much anything else with his time. I love the way you think people should be able to gatekeep how other people should hurt the feelings of people who are harassing them.",
">\n\nI'm not defending him or saying his feelings are hurt or that he doesn't deserve the insult. You're completely missing the point of this post and what we've been discussing. \n\"Body shaming is acceptable when it's directed at people we don't like\"- this is the hypocrisy that's being pointed out. It's not about who's better Tate or Greta but it's the bigger issue of shaming men's insecurities without any regard to their mental health. Do you get it now?",
">\n\nI think I do. It hadn't occurred to me that you might have a small penis. My apologies. Perhaps just as Greta Thurnberg travels the world as an advocate for awareness of Climate Change, you can break down the stereotype that people with small penises have energy. You should probably do as little as possible, though, since you don't want to be accused of having \"energy.\"",
">\n\nWasted my time replying after your \"he started it\" comment smh. Toddler mentality gugu gaga talk to me after you understand the issue.\nEdit: issue",
">\n\nI'm sorry about your peepee. But you have taught me not to trust stereotypes. And learning is fundamental.",
">\n\nI almost forgot. Please don't use the word toddler. It's offensive to small children.",
">\n\nFirst of all \"small dick energy\" shames the energy, not the small dick. It shames the fact to be insecure by your dick size (which is a metaphor for being insecure about your masculinity in general) and overcompensate by doing big manly stuff. It doesn't shame the fact to have a small dick.\nYou can argue that it is as bad, but it's important to understand that.",
">\n\nDon't be a cunt mate.",
">\n\nTechnically yes its body shaming but it's not that big a deal I think",
">\n\nIt has more to do with how they're acting rather than actual anatomy size.",
">\n\ncouple things: small dicks is one of the things about men that men tend to care about to an obsessive degree, that women do to a way lesser degree but pretend to, because men typically like to have a very braggadocious and obnoxious attitude about everything. this tate guy is that to the nth degree. so i mean if anyone deserves being called \"SDE\" its this tate guy \nsecond thing is that people who genuinely do have small dicks don't own that they have what they do; they lie about it. people who really do own that they have small dicks aren't made fun of for having them, because its not funny; the whole point is that you're lying about it and pretending like you're some big shot stud asshole, when you're not. if you own that you have a small dick, then ironically, you don't have \"SDE\"; you own what you have, you're not overcompensating and pretending to be something you're not. \nso if greta thunburg was to call, say, howard stern \"SDE\", a dude who owns that he has a small dick and makes fun of himself for it, then it wouldn't be funny. and howard stern even IS a braggadocious asshole. andrew tate is just wayyyyy more of one, and he pretend like he's god's gift to women. \nin general when it comes to \"oh poor men won't anybody think of the men\" i just cringe. i'm not the most liberal guy. but conservative guys just reappropriating the oppression olympics self-victimization shit and applying it to themselves is just pathetic.",
">\n\nSmall dick guy here... I always felt like guys like Howard Stern were compensating for it by self-loathing comedy. That's a big thing comedians do in general, and so to me it's always hard to say a guy truly doesn't care about it just because he's joking about it. On the other hand, maybe I'm just projecting, because I'll poke fun at my tiny pecker and not really care if someone makes fun of me for it, but it also does truly bother me a little bit when I hear things like, \"Oh that guy is an asshole, he must be mad because he has a tiny dick.\" Like... As if all us small guys are just furious that we aren't gonna win the dick-measuring contest that we let it affect our daily lives. It's a matter of extremes I think. I'm sure there's some guys with small ones that genuinely don't give a single fuck, and others who let it influence their entire lives, but I think most men with a small wang living in a society which implies that's a bad thing are going to end up somewhere in the middle of the scale.\nThe people I really feel bad for are the young people. Growing up with a small dick is a million times harder than being an adult with one. For the most part, nobody really cares if you're a grown man that's small, but when you're a teenager you feel like everybody cares. I had a really hard time wanting to pursue girls because of it, always worried about what their reaction would be, is they'd tell their girlfriends and it would get back to the other guys, etc. And that DOES happen... I remember being at the lunch table and someone saying, 'Did you hear Mike's dick is only x inches?\" and I'd be sitting there like, an inch shorter than Mike and pretending that I found it as funny as everyone else around the table. It didn't really hit me until I was much older that I probably wasn't the only one at the table doing that. Plus I always thought it was weird like, at least that was evidence \"Mike\" was getting some, why should he care if it was small? It wasn't until I got over it and had a few flings and girlfriends that I realized it made such a little difference (pun intended) than what I had built it up to in my mind.\nSo I mean... Yeah, I think some guys do truly have small dick energy, but all that means is they're insecure and I think it kind of sucks that people don't think about the feelings of people who had no part of the fight who get their feelings hurt as collateral damage, and that somehow just because of the douche the insult was leveled at we go, \"Haha you feel insecure about your body!\"\nOne thing it makes me think about that I'm guilty of is calling guys closet-cases. Yeah, I am just trying to point out they're overcompensating about things because they are ashamed of their sexuality, but I don't really take a pause and think, \"Wow, I bet that makes the people actually in the closet feel like shit.\" In some ways, I think it's even worse than just simple body shaming that as a society we're going around making fun of people for issues that could very well be deep seeded mental health issues, or could become so.",
">\n\nidk i just think that the only people being accused of having small dicks are people who are so obnoxious that it feels like they're compensating, like this guy. so sure its \"body shaming\", but a) body shaming is just something that happens that idk if we can ever really do anything about, because human beings value different body parts differently, and b) its only really shaming people because of their behavior, not their bodies. its shaming their behavior, by implying something about their bodies that would be embarrassing particularly for a person who is displaying this behavior, like tate does, because somebody that obsessed with getting chicks would probably be extremely concerned if people thought he had a small dick.",
">\n\nYeah that's the thing though, for me it really bothers me more that people think I'm going around being an asshole, driving a huge truck or otherwise trying to compensate just because my dick is small. I can also see the idea that it implies that having a small dick is bad. I mean just the idea that you can 'accuse' anyone of it implies there's something wrong with it.\nI mean, to me that's easier to hand-wave the idea that there's something wrong with it since I've had enough lived experience to know it doesn't matter. However, I feel like there's probably a lot of people out there who haven't who are still really hung up on it, particularly young people. I know I already brought up homosexuality, but it reminds me of when people use to say you shouldn't call things gay because it puts a negative connotation on homosexuality. Speaking of that, there's that phrase, \"It gets better,\" that is used to comfort/console LGTBQ youths and I think it should be applied to body-image issues too--whether that be penis size, breast size, weight, whatever. Looking back on my life, it was definitely the insecurities that negatively effected me far more than my actual size ever did. \nBut yeah I also feel like there's kind of a lot of people just trying to paint this as her being caught being a hypocrite or something, and I agree with you that I especially hate it when men frame it as some kind of, \"Oh look, see, we're oppressed too. So much for feminism!\" kind of argument.\nI guess I just see both sides of it.",
">\n\nVery well put. I honestly think you have changed some minds today. Hopefully more people stop and think before blindly defending someone they look up to.",
">\n\nI have a small dick, it's fine",
">\n\nThat's the point.",
">\n\nNo shit.",
">\n\n\"small dick energy\" isn't mocking someone for their penis size but for behaving in a way that they are compensating for insecurities and people like Tait measure their masculinity in \"I own cars\" is the epitome of trying to mask insecurities",
">\n\nI think the point about \"energy\" keeps being ignored. \nYou can have a small dick, but with thoughtfulness and confidence never have \"small dick energy\"\nYou can have a big schlong and be a needy jerkstore which gives you \"small dick energy\"\nAnd you can be like Andrew Tate and have a very small one and have \"small dick energy\" and be an absolute creepy, dumbass attention goblin.\nThe grand majority of people don't give a flip about the size of your dick. People with dicks care about the size of their own dick. It's the assumption that everyone cares as much as they do about their dick that's the real problem.",
">\n\nSo you agree the stereotype is false ..... and hurtful. If it's really an assumption as you say then people won't use \"tiny dick\" as an insult on people they don't like right? If no one really cares then there's no need to use it as an insult anyway right? Right??\nBut they do because it's socially acceptable to body shame men for some reason. Just see the tweet posts in other subs and their comments section laughing along, cheering her on and poking fun at men who have small penises and the stereotypes associated with such.",
">\n\nI don't know how old you are but like.\nSaying small dick energy actually has anything to do with the size of someone's dick is like culturally irrelevant.\nLike you can have a tiny dick and still have big dick energy and you can have a big dick and have small dick energy.\nBecause, Most people who need to project their insecurities are insulted by the size assumption.\nIt's more about the idea of insulting someone by saying they're just trying to project masculinity. This is the same reason why being in small dick energy is really used in all circles and not just as a male centered insult.\nLike buck and stud lesbians love the fuck out of that term.\nPeople with a small dick who get insulted by the general idea of small dick energy as an insult need to deal with their own insecurities.\nI'd much rather have a small dick than small dick energy.",
">\n\nIf the size is irrelevant, why associate being small with only negative traits and being big with only positive traits? You can't, and you could just say that being smaller makes you a bad person. It would be more honest. I'm sure people dealing with insecurities appreciate being associated with a human trafficker...",
">\n\nLike I said I have a small dick and would rather have a small dick than have small dick energy.\nThe whole point is that the only people who care about size are people who are easily insecure.\nIt's because they care the people making the jokes know that size doesn't matter and they're not making fun of people who have small dicks they're making fun of the people who care so much about what the size of their dick is that an influences their entire self worth.",
">\n\nThere are plenty of secure people who care about size. They are big, so they don't get made fun of. The people who make the jokes, whether they realize it or not, imply that small = bad person. It reinforces to insecure people that they are wrong for something that they have no control over and that people around them, including loved ones, would think lesser of them, because they probably would if they are making these jokes.",
">\n\nBro I'm not big and I'm pointing out that not everyone who has a small dick is insulted by the idea of small dick energy this really seems to be a you problem."
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Not everyone who is offended is a bad person
Yeah, they're just wrongly offended because they assume the intent of something from a community they are not a part of. This is happening more and more because of how the internet is working.
Is like "Okay Boomer" wasn't actually about being born a boomer but about the Mindset of the generation.
It's the YOU and the other people offended who refuse to understand that "Small Dick Energy" isn't connected to you're actual dick size.
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"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult.",
">\n\nIt's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh.",
">\n\nHonestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV",
">\n\nPeople can make mistakes and this was one of them.. so we can all just criticize her reply fairly and move on. No need for acute mental gymnastics to defend her as this comments section is showing lmao.",
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">\n\nI don't think anyone is arguing it's not offensive. I'm pretty sure she was trying to offend insecure men. Apparently with great success.",
">\n\nShe was trying to offend men who were insecure about their body image?\nHow is that not body shaming?",
">\n\nIt is, but we playing the avoidance and rationalization game",
">\n\nbecause women invented \"small dick energy\"\nharsh, sad. but we go jim🗿",
">\n\nOP never mentioned women tho. Post is strictly about why it's offensive. Do you disagree that it's not offensive or you think it's a trivial matter to make fun of that men's mental health doesn't matter as much?",
">\n\nThe female equivalent is\n\"Loose Pussy Energy\".\nThe typical man-hate hypocrisy commonly going around is beyond obvious. And it is an attack on All men and boys not just some.",
">\n\nNot a disagreement per se, but also worth noting that it’s transphobic. Which is to say, it insults all men by reinforcing patriarchy and punching down to two groups of men.",
">\n\nShe said small dick energy. Not that he had a small dick (though, come on). She used that phrase BECAUSE it's Tate. She's not a moron.\nHe is, as evidenced by his life to this point and his two responses to Thunberg, which were epically pathetic, is a moron and didn't seem to get it, though he doesn't get a lot.",
">\n\nThis is worse than saying he has a small dick, because how would she know, and that would just be dismissed as stupid.\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\nI can't understand the mental gymnastics some people are doing to try and say this isn't body shaming.",
">\n\n\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\n\nI mean yeah -- kind of like how pussy is an insult denoting cowardice, cunt is an insult meaning basically, terrible, etc., \nShe used that on purpose. Are you making CMV every time you see someone calling someone else a pussy?",
">\n\nPussy is kind of already known to be a shitty gendered insult so it doesn't need a CMV. In this case, Greta's gendered \"having a small penis is bad\" tweet is massively amplified, reached r/all on a shitload of subs, etc. so some discussion about whether or not that is cool is warranted",
">\n\nSmall dick energy isn’t about having a small dick tho. It’s a reflection of an attitude that men who are offensive, aggressive, nasty to people are overcompensating for their insecurities. A small dick doesn’t mean you won’t be able to find a partner or that you’re any less of a man. Being a downright trash bag of a human to others, like in this instance where an internet edgelord is cyber bullying a teenager on the internet who is fighting for the survival of our planet/humanity is an example of this trash behavior, is more of a determining factor. \nYou can also have a small dick but have big dick energy, as it’s reflective of who you are as a person. It’s an attitude. It’s who you choose to be to yourself and others. Hell, there’s women who use the term that they have big dick energy and I can tell you those women’s dicks are none existent so therefore size isn’t a thing. \nNo one should be made fun of for something they had no control over. The worth of a man is not tied to the size of his penis. Although, toxic masculinity and shallow people will tell you different. They say the same for disabled people, fat people etc. There’s plenty of people who are not “conventional standards of beauty” which is the majority of us, that lead happy, healthy relationships. Those relationships start with yourself and understanding your worth as a person isn’t tied to what you look like or how big your junk is. \nThe point is if you choose to be a trash person like Tate, where your self worth is tied into how cruel/offensive you can be to other people, don’t be mad if people call you out for that trashy attitude. Your post definitely reeks of “men are the true victims” when clearly you didn’t seem to have a problem with a grown man cyber bullying a teenager.",
">\n\nI like how you imply that OP is a fan of a literal human trafficker because they point out that a body-shaming insult is body-shaming. Do you understand why associating a trait of someone's body with negative personality traits is bad?",
">\n\nNo because people like this always have exceptions that allow them to use the things they complain about. Cognitive gymnastics allows them to recognise shaming women and people of colour is bad, because society will eat them otherwise, but when someone shows up who deserves a bit of a roasting all of their social etiquette rules go out the window and the excuses come out as to why in this context it doesn't count.\n\"Ahh no, here it is a reflection of an attitude\" blah blah 3 paragraphs later and we've clouded over the simple fact that body shaming is body shaming and harms people you weren't intending to insult.",
">\n\nPeople like this? You’re assuming things about me because I am a character in your mind not a real person. I am not a monolith. We should not be body shaming people. I am explaining the other side of this issue and why people use these terms. You never asked if I use these same terms in my life. You assumed I do. I don’t. You didn’t even bother to read my response because if you did you would have realized this.",
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">\n\nYou can have smol pp but big pp energy and vice versa",
">\n\nSo why is the phrase small dick energy if it has nothing to do with having a small dick?",
">\n\nIdk man, I just work here.",
">\n\nYou know why. Lol cause small dick is associated with bad. And by insulting dicks you use this knowledge to offend, at the cost of body shaming people. \nStop feigning dumb just to avoid the reasoning lol",
">\n\nI can see how it would be offensive, and I wouldn’t use it myself. I feel like the phrase refers more to how someone acts as opposed to how they are endowed. And how it’s behavior and actions that make people think down of you not your penis.",
">\n\nPoint is that we, as a society, should encourage better insults that attack the comments of the person without necessarily having to equate it to something someone with a small dick.",
">\n\nWould you agree with me, that if Andrew clapped back with one of those that the internet would be up in arms about it?",
">\n\nYou mean the way that you are, here, on the internet, up in arms?",
">\n\nIm one person on reddit, theres no major backlash like there would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\nSee, what's happening here is that you are also looking at people who are \"one person on Reddit\" and pretending it's a major backlash. Andrew Tate says fucked up things about women all the time (in fact, it's kind of his whole schtick) and it's as much of a non-event as this is.",
">\n\nPlease link me to something fucked up hes said about women, and ill agree with you, two wrongs don't make a right.",
">\n\nHere's exhibit A.",
">\n\nSure I agree with you he has said fucked up stuff about women, it doesn't mean its okay to make a joke about small dick energy.\nDo you understand my point?",
">\n\nWe understand, it's just that your point is fucking stupid",
">\n\nYou have no idea what his point is, it's funny that people on this thread OP and others actually like Andrew Tate.\nIt proves that everyone is completely frothingly tribalistic with zero nuance.",
">\n\nIf someone is behaving insufferably, people are going to laugh at them for things that they wouldn’t find funny if it happened to someone they liked.\nFor example, is it funny when people go bankrupt? No. Would it be funny if someone like Andrew Tate went bankrupt after boasting about Bugattis and all of his mass wealth? Yes. This doesn’t mean people who would make fun of him for that are making fun of poverty or all people who lose their livelihoods, it would just be funny if it happened to that particular person. \nIn the same way, the idea that Tate does all the douchey, over the top macho things that he does in order to compensate for having a small penis is funny, whilst it not being funny to make fun of every person who has a small penis.",
">\n\nSubstitute fat. Is that ok?",
">\n\nDepends on what the fat person is doing. If the person is minding their own business then no, if the fat person is attacking other people’s appearances then yeah go for it.",
">\n\nInteresting take. Might want to play with that a bit. A lot of situations where your reasoning falls apart.",
">\n\nPeople insulted Trump for being fat when he tried to say he was like the most fit person ever. People make fun of Elon Musk's body. You can make the same type of insult to two different people and it come off two different ways. \nWhen you make your identity or argument around something it opens up certain insults and comebacks. \nTate's whole thing is trying to act like this \"alpha male\" when in reality he's a sex trafficking weirdo who pays women to hang out with him. It's totally fine to insult him with a childish insult. \nI also find that people worried or mad about this don't actually care about body image issues. They just want a gotcha moment for people. Because many would have shitty takes about fat people or whine about pc culture.",
">\n\nWhen you call some MF that doesn't necessarily mean you are a MF... I'm not saying it's okay to say abusing words but we still do use them.\nI don't think she said it in literal terms, it was completely literary. Also she only said it cause it was Tate who she said it to. Also if a woman has small tits and someone said to someone else that they have small tits energy, I don't think one who actually has small tits would mind it, cause she is not involved and it's kinda perfect way of irritating Tate.. cause he really cares about these things. \nWhen it comes to increasing the insecurity of someone who actually has small D and is insecure about it... She couldn't think so far cause all she wanted was to irritate Tate and she was successful",
">\n\nI don't think it even irritated him if that was her goal but definitely helped him with popularity. It just proves what he says people think of insecure men, it just moves them to him and he gains more influence. It was an ignorant reply in poor taste. Someone with much following and influence as Greta shouldn't be as irresponsible and the followers shouldn't be having to do mental gymnastics to defend her instead of seeing it as it is: body shaming against men.",
">\n\nIs this some kind of weird meta-game? Are Andrew Tate fans pretending to actually be offended by this stupid insult to prove a point? Does anybody actually think her retort was any sharper than a brick wrapped in a wet blanket?\nWhat is going on here?!",
">\n\n\nWhat is going on here?!\n\nAndrew Tate fans have a lot of small dick energy. That's whats going on.",
">\n\nWhy are people not allowed dislike tate (he's an absolute idiot and a grifter) and also to criticize obvious body shaming from a supposed progressive? If Biden started talking about \"N*gger energy\" criticizing Kanye for antisemitism, would that be ok in your eyes? Would you say that a black guy who doesn't like that must be an angry Kanye fan? Or is it disgustingly offensive towards all African Americans to use that type of language no matter what?",
">\n\nBecause it suits their narrative to frame it as if people are just defending tate. It's easier than just actually defending body shaming. Done deal.",
">\n\nI think Greta used that phrase not because she actually believes or wants to promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior, but because people like Andrew Tate believe and promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior. If Andrew Tate gets hurt because Greta says he has small dick energy, then maybe -- just maybe, with the tiniest bit of introspection -- he'll come to realize how hateful some of his language is.\nBullies like Andrew Tate don't really respond to logic or pleas for sympathy. The only way to maybe make them understand the hurt they cause is to inflict it on them, because they don't care about anyone but themselves. \nSo instead of putting the cart before the horse and blaming Greta for using an offensive phrase as an argumentative tactic, maybe blame the people who use the phrase to actually demean people.",
">\n\nCan we substitute fat instead and be justified?",
">\n\nYes people did that with Trump when he claimed to be the fittest person ever basically. If someone has a habit of insulting people a certain way or making certain claims then they open themselves up to specific insults. \nSometimes we'd find those insults not tasteful if said to other people. But I feel like most people equating this to fat insults don't actually care about fat people. A lot of people would also be like oh things are getting too pc or soft or woke when it comes to body positivity towards fat people. So for me it's hard to buy this line of reasoning as being truly valid or caring.",
">\n\nNo one said it has to be authentic caring. This sub is for exploring the intellectual arguments. Your perception of how authentic someone’s feelings towards fat people is basically irrelevant. Argue the point or don’t. Passing your authenticity test is a wierd standard to try to argue for.",
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">\n\nYes, making insults is offensive. That's the point.\nInsults that reference a body part are also offensive to people who are insecure about that body part. That's also kinda obvious.\nWhat do you want your mind changed about here? I'm unclear about what you think can be discussed about an insult meant to be insulting. Are you arguing that this insult is especially wrong in some way?\nHow is this not just you soapboxing?",
">\n\nThere's a reason as a society we don't use insults like \"retard\". This is in the same vein. You're attributing a negative thing with a man having a small penis. This is harmful as it perpetuates the stigma surrounding penis size which is outside ones control. Essentially it degrades a group of people who have nothing to do with it. OP wants to know whether or not this is reconciled. Reading the comments... It has not been. \nMaking gendered insults doesn't bother me truthfully but I can understand the frustration OP is expressing because were it to be a man making some edgy reference to a woman's lady parts being inadequate as a way to demean them then everyone would be outraged as opposed to cheering it on.",
">\n\nUsing “small dick” as an insult, or “loose pussy” isn’t really offensive unless you are insecure about the physical viability of your reproductive organs. \nBut, that doesn’t make it funny. It’s a really juvenile and uncreative way of ridiculing someone.",
">\n\nInsecure women are offended when they're fat shamed.\nIt's still body shaming.\nIt's still wrong.",
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">\n\nGuy randomly decides to flex on her by saying I HAVE CARS AND I LIKE TO GO VROOOOM. It's like when Piers decides that it's absolutely important to eat meat in front of vegans. It's not about penis size. It's just that smalldickenergy is a perfect explanation of why would someone decide to behave like this.",
">\n\nShe is 19. Maybe in a few years she will have more mature insults. It’s a lot of pressure to be put on someone so young to also say the perfect thing all the time",
">\n\nUnder nearly all circumstances, I agree with you.\nHowever, for a lot of people who have built a cult of personality around any given ideal, insults of the inoffensive type are completely commonplace. All they have to do is fend off one or two instances of this PG rated attacks, strawman them, call them snowflakes, and their following is bolstered and enhanced. Instead of having any negative effect, it becomes part of their inherent power.\nSometimes if you want to rattle a cult leader you have to hit with precision their most critical weakness and watch them implode. The fact that Tate is squirming so hard and doing everything he can to reclaim some of his dignity after Greta's clapback means that she has his number. Great isn't saying that having a small dick is bad, but knowing that Tate's entire personality is built about being an alpha male and that calling into question the size of his member will hurt him the most is what she was after. \nOf course, it wasn't classy and could be offensive to some. But as the saying goes, sometimes you have to fight fire with fire.",
">\n\nReally is he squirming? \nHe's rich he's popular and now he's gotten someone he disagrees with to repeat his ideology and platform spreading it to a wider audience. \nI'd argue he's happy for the attention and popularity that she's given to him now and enjoying the increased sales in his business as more men who feel marginalized and left out join him seeing this hypocrisy playing out. Not to mention all the political players( internationally) who were against climate action seeing all this and aligning themselves appropriately, possibly propping him up and making him something more than what he actually is- An ignorant troll. \nEngage with a troll and you only give them more power. The tweet was dumb and people should know better.\nEdit: spacing",
">\n\nI'm not commenting on whether or not his fans will like him more or if the controversy will inadvertently grant him a wider audience. \nI'm commenting that Greta knew exactly where and how to hit him the hardest. Yes, he is definitely squirming. He has scrambled out half a dozen prepubescent \"I know you are but what am I\" tweets. Then he went and made the absolute cringiest response video. He's incensed by being talked down to by Greta and is overcompensating. \nDid her tweet have any net positive effect on society? No. Did it ruffle Tate's feathers and make his blood boil? Yea. Would he have even cared if she called him a misogynistic prick? Absolutely not. He would have just told her to sit down and shut up, that misogyny is made up by inferior women blah blah blah...\nInstead, his insecurities are eating him alive.",
">\n\nWhy even respond and give him attention that he so desperately craves? And why body shame men in the process? \nIf she didn't have a better insult she could have just went on with her life instead of helping him grow. Using \"small dick energy\" as an insult means implicitly we agree that people with small penises are inferior and undesirable. That's basically what Tate is on about ( Toxic masculinity). And by laughing at her tweet we all reinforce that perception. Do you get that? \nSick of double standards and hypocrisy. At least people should have the courage to own up and acknowledge it then move on instead of doubling down and performing mental gymnastics to justify an obvious case of body shaming.\nI agree with you on one thing that the net effect on society because of this tweet exchange is negative and only serves the people who Greta and her followers hate.",
">\n\nI think you are missing what I am saying. I fully agree that it wasn't necessary nor was it the right thing for Greta to do. I also agree that it just gives him attention and was overall a useless venture other for the entertainment of Tate haters.\nOP asked why it is okay. I stated that it isn't okay but that I understand why Greta took that road rather than the suggested non-offensive approach. It is because he's immune to it. What he isn't immune to is his masculinity and ego being questioned. What is the point of the Wolf continuing to blow on the brick house? None. To get to the scared little piggies inside he needs a jackhammer. \nAnd it worked exactly how she planned it to. He was rattled and anyone who hates Tate is amused. \nNot saying it's the right thing to do, nor do I want anyone to feel ashamed of the size of their penis.",
">\n\nOk.. thanks for elaborating on that. I misunderstood your comment as a disagreement and engaged to try and change your mind but seems we share the same view.",
">\n\nYou do not know what Greta is \"fully aware\" of. She is referring to character and behaviour, why are you taking this personally? She isn't speaking to you, hasn't seen you, doesn't know you. I don't know why you are externalizing your issue like this and waving it around in public, is it our responsibility to fix this for you?\nShe was just making a tiny joke. Relax. smalldickenergy @ getalife .com is hilarious.",
">\n\nAside from everything else, it's men who started the 'big dick energy' idiocy so to then complain when someone uses their own stupidity against them...",
">\n\nYeah because men are a monolith and we all meet in a room and know each other smh.",
">\n\nThey’re saying it’s offensive to more than just Andrew Tate",
">\n\nYeah but again, ISN'T THE PURPOSE",
">\n\nWhat do you mean again? You didn’t say that before. And why does the purpose matter? You can do a bad thing without meaning to.",
">\n\nI meant to say isn't that the purpose lol mb",
">\n\nOh lol I probably should have realized that. But I think the point of the insult was to offend Andrew Tate.",
">\n\nFair. Trying to not say anything about him one way or another so I don't get downvoted to hell.",
">\n\nGreta lost that argument. She literally has like a hundred things Tate has said and done she could attack. Easy target... The one thing she chose to do is to body shame the man. It's just name calling. It's not a refutation of Tate. If anything it makes her sound stupid for her inability to come up with a refutation.",
">\n\nExactly. But people are just cheering her on and laughing along without grasping the nuance of the situation.",
">\n\nI think you are kinda missing the point. People know it offensive. The issue is that they don't care.",
">\n\nPeople used to make fun of small tits all the time. Remember the 90s? Remember the itty bitty titty committee? I don't know if that's a thing any more, but skinny women with no butts are definitely not seen as attractive. It's not fair. It's not their fault. People need to stop shaming themselves and eachother, and accept all bodies. Until then, \"small dick energy\" won't cease to be an insult. I guess the difference is people are sort of \"punching up\" since it's always been people with dicks who have the power in this world. I've never heard a dude say that another dude has \"small dick energy.\" It's always a woman saying that. Either way I think it's dumb but I get it. I've always thought \"Karen\" was a dumb insult too. Not someone's fault they were named Karen, LOL.",
">\n\nAndrew insulted her. He was asking for this insult. She was totally in the right. She wasn’t trying to shame anyone else. You’re asking for this insult too.",
">\n\nIsn't it more offensive for small pp folk, that there is a guy who base his entire existence on top of an argument that being an alpha, prime male is the most important thing in the world, and you need to be a testosterone bomb gorilla to have any kind of value. Isn't that argument disregards small dick guys in the first place?",
">\n\nAnd Greta just reinforced it with her reply. Do you see the problem now?\nEdit:replaced \"comment\" with \"reply\"",
">\n\nI believe I've already made a statement about what the problem is.",
">\n\nThen do you understand why Greta's reply is offensive and playing into Andrew Tate's hands?",
">\n\nLol this is twitter. There is no playing into each other's hands. Get outside.",
">\n\nOh look. Greta is human. Someone who spent a lot of her growing up time trying to educate people.\nIf she was in a bar and some doofus made a pass, she's just asserting herself. Age and context. Good on her.",
">\n\nIt is actually been studied. Men with small penises actually do have less energy- testosterone or something.",
">\n\nBeing offended by anything is each person's individual choice. If something is offensive to you, then simply choose to not be offended by it. It's truly that simple.",
">\n\nSo there is no such thing as hate speech?",
">\n\nNo, I didn't say that. Someone can certainly say something to someone that they hate with words that they feel will harm them mentally. That is \"hate speech\". The point I was trying to make is that we all as individuals have the choice to react to whatever someone says in whatever way we choose to react. If I feel offended by something that someone is saying, it is my choice to be offended by it.",
">\n\nI pretty much agree, but now we come to who decides. Does the person doing the talking decide whether it is hate speech? Or the person being talked at?",
">\n\nThere is no decision. The person who is talking thinks that what they are saying is not hateful, or they do. The person being talked at thinks that what the other person is saying is hateful, or they don't. The point is that it only matters if you make it matter to you. For example, if I say you are the dumbest person on earth, am I committing the crime of hate speech? Are you the dumbest person on earth? Probably not. But maybe I believe that you are. Does that make it true? If so, then it's not hate speech it's the truth...to me. If you, personally, believe that you are not the dumbest person on earth, then why would you concern yourself with what my dumbass has to say? To you, I'm the dumbest person on earth. I hope I'm getting my point across here.",
">\n\nSo we agree then? No laws regarding hate speech at all. You just ignore it and move on.",
">\n\nYes, sir.",
">\n\nYup",
">\n\nWhat if I say that I am offended that you are offended that you say \"small dick energy\" is offensive to men that are insecure about their size? Say I'm a man with a huge, massive dong. Say it's been a huge issue for me all my life. Let's say, hypothetically, that I am hugely insecure about the massive size of my dong and it's given me problems all my life. Every time I, hypothetically, go for a jog it's constantly flopping all over the place chaffing up my leg. Every time I have sex it's always this huge issue and only like half of the thing can go in before the receiver is like \"oh my god, stop, that's too much!\" Every time I receive oral sex, anything more than an inch beyond the tip causes a gag reflex. Does that sound exciting to you? Here you are bragging about your completely normal sized penis and all your normal sized penis sex and here this hypothetical person with a huge massive dong has all these issues. I can see how a hypothetical person with this debilitating issue would take offense that you take offense.",
">\n\nShe's an edgelord",
">\n\nreddit",
">\n\nSounds like a skill issue",
">\n\nDo you really get that offended? It's not like males themselves haven't sexualized females and their bodies and have said even worse and more common things about them? But we get offended over sum small? pun intended",
">\n\n“Some males have sexualized females therefore it’s fine for society to make fun of penis size.”",
">\n\nSociety? I don't see everyone (which represents society) doing it 😂 maybe you are focusing too much on negativity and that's all you see",
">\n\nSaying “small dick energy” is inherently a negative thing because it’s an insult. It also implies that there’s something bad about less endowed people because Tate is being compared to that demographic. \nWhen I say society, I mean that a decent percentage of people have “____ dick energy” built into their vocabulary to the point where the meaning of these terms is widely agreed on and it loses it’s direct connection to the penis. This doesn’t mean that the term is appropriate to use though since it originated from actual body shaming.",
">\n\nBattle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.",
">\n\nI think you should consider the situation at hand and less the use of insults as an absolute \nAndrew Tate absolutely deserves it",
">\n\nthe post its about the insult. \n\"Yeah I called this person a N... but lets focus on how bad that person is!!\"\nThe insult not only its very inflammatory (shows patriarcal estigmas,Its body shaming, reinforces toxic masculinity)\nIts also an extremely weak answer, its a groundless ad hominem. I would dare to argue the insult talks more about breta and his internalized toxic patriarcal estigmas than anything against tate.",
">\n\nGreta didn't start this. He was harassing her.",
">\n\n\"He started it\" -That's a toddler's excuse lmao",
">\n\nSo, in your opinion, Greta would have insulted him whether he had harassed her first, or not?",
">\n\nHer insulting him isn't the problem here. Its how she insulted him that's problematic.",
">\n\nWell, if he didn't want to be insulted, he could've done pretty much anything else with his time. I love the way you think people should be able to gatekeep how other people should hurt the feelings of people who are harassing them.",
">\n\nI'm not defending him or saying his feelings are hurt or that he doesn't deserve the insult. You're completely missing the point of this post and what we've been discussing. \n\"Body shaming is acceptable when it's directed at people we don't like\"- this is the hypocrisy that's being pointed out. It's not about who's better Tate or Greta but it's the bigger issue of shaming men's insecurities without any regard to their mental health. Do you get it now?",
">\n\nI think I do. It hadn't occurred to me that you might have a small penis. My apologies. Perhaps just as Greta Thurnberg travels the world as an advocate for awareness of Climate Change, you can break down the stereotype that people with small penises have energy. You should probably do as little as possible, though, since you don't want to be accused of having \"energy.\"",
">\n\nWasted my time replying after your \"he started it\" comment smh. Toddler mentality gugu gaga talk to me after you understand the issue.\nEdit: issue",
">\n\nI'm sorry about your peepee. But you have taught me not to trust stereotypes. And learning is fundamental.",
">\n\nI almost forgot. Please don't use the word toddler. It's offensive to small children.",
">\n\nFirst of all \"small dick energy\" shames the energy, not the small dick. It shames the fact to be insecure by your dick size (which is a metaphor for being insecure about your masculinity in general) and overcompensate by doing big manly stuff. It doesn't shame the fact to have a small dick.\nYou can argue that it is as bad, but it's important to understand that.",
">\n\nDon't be a cunt mate.",
">\n\nTechnically yes its body shaming but it's not that big a deal I think",
">\n\nIt has more to do with how they're acting rather than actual anatomy size.",
">\n\ncouple things: small dicks is one of the things about men that men tend to care about to an obsessive degree, that women do to a way lesser degree but pretend to, because men typically like to have a very braggadocious and obnoxious attitude about everything. this tate guy is that to the nth degree. so i mean if anyone deserves being called \"SDE\" its this tate guy \nsecond thing is that people who genuinely do have small dicks don't own that they have what they do; they lie about it. people who really do own that they have small dicks aren't made fun of for having them, because its not funny; the whole point is that you're lying about it and pretending like you're some big shot stud asshole, when you're not. if you own that you have a small dick, then ironically, you don't have \"SDE\"; you own what you have, you're not overcompensating and pretending to be something you're not. \nso if greta thunburg was to call, say, howard stern \"SDE\", a dude who owns that he has a small dick and makes fun of himself for it, then it wouldn't be funny. and howard stern even IS a braggadocious asshole. andrew tate is just wayyyyy more of one, and he pretend like he's god's gift to women. \nin general when it comes to \"oh poor men won't anybody think of the men\" i just cringe. i'm not the most liberal guy. but conservative guys just reappropriating the oppression olympics self-victimization shit and applying it to themselves is just pathetic.",
">\n\nSmall dick guy here... I always felt like guys like Howard Stern were compensating for it by self-loathing comedy. That's a big thing comedians do in general, and so to me it's always hard to say a guy truly doesn't care about it just because he's joking about it. On the other hand, maybe I'm just projecting, because I'll poke fun at my tiny pecker and not really care if someone makes fun of me for it, but it also does truly bother me a little bit when I hear things like, \"Oh that guy is an asshole, he must be mad because he has a tiny dick.\" Like... As if all us small guys are just furious that we aren't gonna win the dick-measuring contest that we let it affect our daily lives. It's a matter of extremes I think. I'm sure there's some guys with small ones that genuinely don't give a single fuck, and others who let it influence their entire lives, but I think most men with a small wang living in a society which implies that's a bad thing are going to end up somewhere in the middle of the scale.\nThe people I really feel bad for are the young people. Growing up with a small dick is a million times harder than being an adult with one. For the most part, nobody really cares if you're a grown man that's small, but when you're a teenager you feel like everybody cares. I had a really hard time wanting to pursue girls because of it, always worried about what their reaction would be, is they'd tell their girlfriends and it would get back to the other guys, etc. And that DOES happen... I remember being at the lunch table and someone saying, 'Did you hear Mike's dick is only x inches?\" and I'd be sitting there like, an inch shorter than Mike and pretending that I found it as funny as everyone else around the table. It didn't really hit me until I was much older that I probably wasn't the only one at the table doing that. Plus I always thought it was weird like, at least that was evidence \"Mike\" was getting some, why should he care if it was small? It wasn't until I got over it and had a few flings and girlfriends that I realized it made such a little difference (pun intended) than what I had built it up to in my mind.\nSo I mean... Yeah, I think some guys do truly have small dick energy, but all that means is they're insecure and I think it kind of sucks that people don't think about the feelings of people who had no part of the fight who get their feelings hurt as collateral damage, and that somehow just because of the douche the insult was leveled at we go, \"Haha you feel insecure about your body!\"\nOne thing it makes me think about that I'm guilty of is calling guys closet-cases. Yeah, I am just trying to point out they're overcompensating about things because they are ashamed of their sexuality, but I don't really take a pause and think, \"Wow, I bet that makes the people actually in the closet feel like shit.\" In some ways, I think it's even worse than just simple body shaming that as a society we're going around making fun of people for issues that could very well be deep seeded mental health issues, or could become so.",
">\n\nidk i just think that the only people being accused of having small dicks are people who are so obnoxious that it feels like they're compensating, like this guy. so sure its \"body shaming\", but a) body shaming is just something that happens that idk if we can ever really do anything about, because human beings value different body parts differently, and b) its only really shaming people because of their behavior, not their bodies. its shaming their behavior, by implying something about their bodies that would be embarrassing particularly for a person who is displaying this behavior, like tate does, because somebody that obsessed with getting chicks would probably be extremely concerned if people thought he had a small dick.",
">\n\nYeah that's the thing though, for me it really bothers me more that people think I'm going around being an asshole, driving a huge truck or otherwise trying to compensate just because my dick is small. I can also see the idea that it implies that having a small dick is bad. I mean just the idea that you can 'accuse' anyone of it implies there's something wrong with it.\nI mean, to me that's easier to hand-wave the idea that there's something wrong with it since I've had enough lived experience to know it doesn't matter. However, I feel like there's probably a lot of people out there who haven't who are still really hung up on it, particularly young people. I know I already brought up homosexuality, but it reminds me of when people use to say you shouldn't call things gay because it puts a negative connotation on homosexuality. Speaking of that, there's that phrase, \"It gets better,\" that is used to comfort/console LGTBQ youths and I think it should be applied to body-image issues too--whether that be penis size, breast size, weight, whatever. Looking back on my life, it was definitely the insecurities that negatively effected me far more than my actual size ever did. \nBut yeah I also feel like there's kind of a lot of people just trying to paint this as her being caught being a hypocrite or something, and I agree with you that I especially hate it when men frame it as some kind of, \"Oh look, see, we're oppressed too. So much for feminism!\" kind of argument.\nI guess I just see both sides of it.",
">\n\nVery well put. I honestly think you have changed some minds today. Hopefully more people stop and think before blindly defending someone they look up to.",
">\n\nI have a small dick, it's fine",
">\n\nThat's the point.",
">\n\nNo shit.",
">\n\n\"small dick energy\" isn't mocking someone for their penis size but for behaving in a way that they are compensating for insecurities and people like Tait measure their masculinity in \"I own cars\" is the epitome of trying to mask insecurities",
">\n\nI think the point about \"energy\" keeps being ignored. \nYou can have a small dick, but with thoughtfulness and confidence never have \"small dick energy\"\nYou can have a big schlong and be a needy jerkstore which gives you \"small dick energy\"\nAnd you can be like Andrew Tate and have a very small one and have \"small dick energy\" and be an absolute creepy, dumbass attention goblin.\nThe grand majority of people don't give a flip about the size of your dick. People with dicks care about the size of their own dick. It's the assumption that everyone cares as much as they do about their dick that's the real problem.",
">\n\nSo you agree the stereotype is false ..... and hurtful. If it's really an assumption as you say then people won't use \"tiny dick\" as an insult on people they don't like right? If no one really cares then there's no need to use it as an insult anyway right? Right??\nBut they do because it's socially acceptable to body shame men for some reason. Just see the tweet posts in other subs and their comments section laughing along, cheering her on and poking fun at men who have small penises and the stereotypes associated with such.",
">\n\nI don't know how old you are but like.\nSaying small dick energy actually has anything to do with the size of someone's dick is like culturally irrelevant.\nLike you can have a tiny dick and still have big dick energy and you can have a big dick and have small dick energy.\nBecause, Most people who need to project their insecurities are insulted by the size assumption.\nIt's more about the idea of insulting someone by saying they're just trying to project masculinity. This is the same reason why being in small dick energy is really used in all circles and not just as a male centered insult.\nLike buck and stud lesbians love the fuck out of that term.\nPeople with a small dick who get insulted by the general idea of small dick energy as an insult need to deal with their own insecurities.\nI'd much rather have a small dick than small dick energy.",
">\n\nIf the size is irrelevant, why associate being small with only negative traits and being big with only positive traits? You can't, and you could just say that being smaller makes you a bad person. It would be more honest. I'm sure people dealing with insecurities appreciate being associated with a human trafficker...",
">\n\nLike I said I have a small dick and would rather have a small dick than have small dick energy.\nThe whole point is that the only people who care about size are people who are easily insecure.\nIt's because they care the people making the jokes know that size doesn't matter and they're not making fun of people who have small dicks they're making fun of the people who care so much about what the size of their dick is that an influences their entire self worth.",
">\n\nThere are plenty of secure people who care about size. They are big, so they don't get made fun of. The people who make the jokes, whether they realize it or not, imply that small = bad person. It reinforces to insecure people that they are wrong for something that they have no control over and that people around them, including loved ones, would think lesser of them, because they probably would if they are making these jokes.",
">\n\nBro I'm not big and I'm pointing out that not everyone who has a small dick is insulted by the idea of small dick energy this really seems to be a you problem.",
">\n\nI'M pointing out that not everyone who is offended is a bad person, but people, like anyone defending this phrase, are just going to pretend to not understand because this is something people don't care if you make fun of, so this is just a waste of time."
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If it's not connected to the dick size then why even phrase it as "Small Dick Energy"??
You're trying to alter the meaning of words to fit your narrative instead of seeing it for what it is: body shaming against men. Even in your interpretation of the phrase saying it's a mindset it's still wrong that it's equating a shitty mindset with people who have small dicks. Why is this so hard to understand?
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"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult.",
">\n\nIt's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh.",
">\n\nHonestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV",
">\n\nPeople can make mistakes and this was one of them.. so we can all just criticize her reply fairly and move on. No need for acute mental gymnastics to defend her as this comments section is showing lmao.",
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">\n\nI don't think anyone is arguing it's not offensive. I'm pretty sure she was trying to offend insecure men. Apparently with great success.",
">\n\nShe was trying to offend men who were insecure about their body image?\nHow is that not body shaming?",
">\n\nIt is, but we playing the avoidance and rationalization game",
">\n\nbecause women invented \"small dick energy\"\nharsh, sad. but we go jim🗿",
">\n\nOP never mentioned women tho. Post is strictly about why it's offensive. Do you disagree that it's not offensive or you think it's a trivial matter to make fun of that men's mental health doesn't matter as much?",
">\n\nThe female equivalent is\n\"Loose Pussy Energy\".\nThe typical man-hate hypocrisy commonly going around is beyond obvious. And it is an attack on All men and boys not just some.",
">\n\nNot a disagreement per se, but also worth noting that it’s transphobic. Which is to say, it insults all men by reinforcing patriarchy and punching down to two groups of men.",
">\n\nShe said small dick energy. Not that he had a small dick (though, come on). She used that phrase BECAUSE it's Tate. She's not a moron.\nHe is, as evidenced by his life to this point and his two responses to Thunberg, which were epically pathetic, is a moron and didn't seem to get it, though he doesn't get a lot.",
">\n\nThis is worse than saying he has a small dick, because how would she know, and that would just be dismissed as stupid.\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\nI can't understand the mental gymnastics some people are doing to try and say this isn't body shaming.",
">\n\n\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\n\nI mean yeah -- kind of like how pussy is an insult denoting cowardice, cunt is an insult meaning basically, terrible, etc., \nShe used that on purpose. Are you making CMV every time you see someone calling someone else a pussy?",
">\n\nPussy is kind of already known to be a shitty gendered insult so it doesn't need a CMV. In this case, Greta's gendered \"having a small penis is bad\" tweet is massively amplified, reached r/all on a shitload of subs, etc. so some discussion about whether or not that is cool is warranted",
">\n\nSmall dick energy isn’t about having a small dick tho. It’s a reflection of an attitude that men who are offensive, aggressive, nasty to people are overcompensating for their insecurities. A small dick doesn’t mean you won’t be able to find a partner or that you’re any less of a man. Being a downright trash bag of a human to others, like in this instance where an internet edgelord is cyber bullying a teenager on the internet who is fighting for the survival of our planet/humanity is an example of this trash behavior, is more of a determining factor. \nYou can also have a small dick but have big dick energy, as it’s reflective of who you are as a person. It’s an attitude. It’s who you choose to be to yourself and others. Hell, there’s women who use the term that they have big dick energy and I can tell you those women’s dicks are none existent so therefore size isn’t a thing. \nNo one should be made fun of for something they had no control over. The worth of a man is not tied to the size of his penis. Although, toxic masculinity and shallow people will tell you different. They say the same for disabled people, fat people etc. There’s plenty of people who are not “conventional standards of beauty” which is the majority of us, that lead happy, healthy relationships. Those relationships start with yourself and understanding your worth as a person isn’t tied to what you look like or how big your junk is. \nThe point is if you choose to be a trash person like Tate, where your self worth is tied into how cruel/offensive you can be to other people, don’t be mad if people call you out for that trashy attitude. Your post definitely reeks of “men are the true victims” when clearly you didn’t seem to have a problem with a grown man cyber bullying a teenager.",
">\n\nI like how you imply that OP is a fan of a literal human trafficker because they point out that a body-shaming insult is body-shaming. Do you understand why associating a trait of someone's body with negative personality traits is bad?",
">\n\nNo because people like this always have exceptions that allow them to use the things they complain about. Cognitive gymnastics allows them to recognise shaming women and people of colour is bad, because society will eat them otherwise, but when someone shows up who deserves a bit of a roasting all of their social etiquette rules go out the window and the excuses come out as to why in this context it doesn't count.\n\"Ahh no, here it is a reflection of an attitude\" blah blah 3 paragraphs later and we've clouded over the simple fact that body shaming is body shaming and harms people you weren't intending to insult.",
">\n\nPeople like this? You’re assuming things about me because I am a character in your mind not a real person. I am not a monolith. We should not be body shaming people. I am explaining the other side of this issue and why people use these terms. You never asked if I use these same terms in my life. You assumed I do. I don’t. You didn’t even bother to read my response because if you did you would have realized this.",
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">\n\nYou can have smol pp but big pp energy and vice versa",
">\n\nSo why is the phrase small dick energy if it has nothing to do with having a small dick?",
">\n\nIdk man, I just work here.",
">\n\nYou know why. Lol cause small dick is associated with bad. And by insulting dicks you use this knowledge to offend, at the cost of body shaming people. \nStop feigning dumb just to avoid the reasoning lol",
">\n\nI can see how it would be offensive, and I wouldn’t use it myself. I feel like the phrase refers more to how someone acts as opposed to how they are endowed. And how it’s behavior and actions that make people think down of you not your penis.",
">\n\nPoint is that we, as a society, should encourage better insults that attack the comments of the person without necessarily having to equate it to something someone with a small dick.",
">\n\nWould you agree with me, that if Andrew clapped back with one of those that the internet would be up in arms about it?",
">\n\nYou mean the way that you are, here, on the internet, up in arms?",
">\n\nIm one person on reddit, theres no major backlash like there would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\nSee, what's happening here is that you are also looking at people who are \"one person on Reddit\" and pretending it's a major backlash. Andrew Tate says fucked up things about women all the time (in fact, it's kind of his whole schtick) and it's as much of a non-event as this is.",
">\n\nPlease link me to something fucked up hes said about women, and ill agree with you, two wrongs don't make a right.",
">\n\nHere's exhibit A.",
">\n\nSure I agree with you he has said fucked up stuff about women, it doesn't mean its okay to make a joke about small dick energy.\nDo you understand my point?",
">\n\nWe understand, it's just that your point is fucking stupid",
">\n\nYou have no idea what his point is, it's funny that people on this thread OP and others actually like Andrew Tate.\nIt proves that everyone is completely frothingly tribalistic with zero nuance.",
">\n\nIf someone is behaving insufferably, people are going to laugh at them for things that they wouldn’t find funny if it happened to someone they liked.\nFor example, is it funny when people go bankrupt? No. Would it be funny if someone like Andrew Tate went bankrupt after boasting about Bugattis and all of his mass wealth? Yes. This doesn’t mean people who would make fun of him for that are making fun of poverty or all people who lose their livelihoods, it would just be funny if it happened to that particular person. \nIn the same way, the idea that Tate does all the douchey, over the top macho things that he does in order to compensate for having a small penis is funny, whilst it not being funny to make fun of every person who has a small penis.",
">\n\nSubstitute fat. Is that ok?",
">\n\nDepends on what the fat person is doing. If the person is minding their own business then no, if the fat person is attacking other people’s appearances then yeah go for it.",
">\n\nInteresting take. Might want to play with that a bit. A lot of situations where your reasoning falls apart.",
">\n\nPeople insulted Trump for being fat when he tried to say he was like the most fit person ever. People make fun of Elon Musk's body. You can make the same type of insult to two different people and it come off two different ways. \nWhen you make your identity or argument around something it opens up certain insults and comebacks. \nTate's whole thing is trying to act like this \"alpha male\" when in reality he's a sex trafficking weirdo who pays women to hang out with him. It's totally fine to insult him with a childish insult. \nI also find that people worried or mad about this don't actually care about body image issues. They just want a gotcha moment for people. Because many would have shitty takes about fat people or whine about pc culture.",
">\n\nWhen you call some MF that doesn't necessarily mean you are a MF... I'm not saying it's okay to say abusing words but we still do use them.\nI don't think she said it in literal terms, it was completely literary. Also she only said it cause it was Tate who she said it to. Also if a woman has small tits and someone said to someone else that they have small tits energy, I don't think one who actually has small tits would mind it, cause she is not involved and it's kinda perfect way of irritating Tate.. cause he really cares about these things. \nWhen it comes to increasing the insecurity of someone who actually has small D and is insecure about it... She couldn't think so far cause all she wanted was to irritate Tate and she was successful",
">\n\nI don't think it even irritated him if that was her goal but definitely helped him with popularity. It just proves what he says people think of insecure men, it just moves them to him and he gains more influence. It was an ignorant reply in poor taste. Someone with much following and influence as Greta shouldn't be as irresponsible and the followers shouldn't be having to do mental gymnastics to defend her instead of seeing it as it is: body shaming against men.",
">\n\nIs this some kind of weird meta-game? Are Andrew Tate fans pretending to actually be offended by this stupid insult to prove a point? Does anybody actually think her retort was any sharper than a brick wrapped in a wet blanket?\nWhat is going on here?!",
">\n\n\nWhat is going on here?!\n\nAndrew Tate fans have a lot of small dick energy. That's whats going on.",
">\n\nWhy are people not allowed dislike tate (he's an absolute idiot and a grifter) and also to criticize obvious body shaming from a supposed progressive? If Biden started talking about \"N*gger energy\" criticizing Kanye for antisemitism, would that be ok in your eyes? Would you say that a black guy who doesn't like that must be an angry Kanye fan? Or is it disgustingly offensive towards all African Americans to use that type of language no matter what?",
">\n\nBecause it suits their narrative to frame it as if people are just defending tate. It's easier than just actually defending body shaming. Done deal.",
">\n\nI think Greta used that phrase not because she actually believes or wants to promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior, but because people like Andrew Tate believe and promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior. If Andrew Tate gets hurt because Greta says he has small dick energy, then maybe -- just maybe, with the tiniest bit of introspection -- he'll come to realize how hateful some of his language is.\nBullies like Andrew Tate don't really respond to logic or pleas for sympathy. The only way to maybe make them understand the hurt they cause is to inflict it on them, because they don't care about anyone but themselves. \nSo instead of putting the cart before the horse and blaming Greta for using an offensive phrase as an argumentative tactic, maybe blame the people who use the phrase to actually demean people.",
">\n\nCan we substitute fat instead and be justified?",
">\n\nYes people did that with Trump when he claimed to be the fittest person ever basically. If someone has a habit of insulting people a certain way or making certain claims then they open themselves up to specific insults. \nSometimes we'd find those insults not tasteful if said to other people. But I feel like most people equating this to fat insults don't actually care about fat people. A lot of people would also be like oh things are getting too pc or soft or woke when it comes to body positivity towards fat people. So for me it's hard to buy this line of reasoning as being truly valid or caring.",
">\n\nNo one said it has to be authentic caring. This sub is for exploring the intellectual arguments. Your perception of how authentic someone’s feelings towards fat people is basically irrelevant. Argue the point or don’t. Passing your authenticity test is a wierd standard to try to argue for.",
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">\n\nYes, making insults is offensive. That's the point.\nInsults that reference a body part are also offensive to people who are insecure about that body part. That's also kinda obvious.\nWhat do you want your mind changed about here? I'm unclear about what you think can be discussed about an insult meant to be insulting. Are you arguing that this insult is especially wrong in some way?\nHow is this not just you soapboxing?",
">\n\nThere's a reason as a society we don't use insults like \"retard\". This is in the same vein. You're attributing a negative thing with a man having a small penis. This is harmful as it perpetuates the stigma surrounding penis size which is outside ones control. Essentially it degrades a group of people who have nothing to do with it. OP wants to know whether or not this is reconciled. Reading the comments... It has not been. \nMaking gendered insults doesn't bother me truthfully but I can understand the frustration OP is expressing because were it to be a man making some edgy reference to a woman's lady parts being inadequate as a way to demean them then everyone would be outraged as opposed to cheering it on.",
">\n\nUsing “small dick” as an insult, or “loose pussy” isn’t really offensive unless you are insecure about the physical viability of your reproductive organs. \nBut, that doesn’t make it funny. It’s a really juvenile and uncreative way of ridiculing someone.",
">\n\nInsecure women are offended when they're fat shamed.\nIt's still body shaming.\nIt's still wrong.",
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">\n\nGuy randomly decides to flex on her by saying I HAVE CARS AND I LIKE TO GO VROOOOM. It's like when Piers decides that it's absolutely important to eat meat in front of vegans. It's not about penis size. It's just that smalldickenergy is a perfect explanation of why would someone decide to behave like this.",
">\n\nShe is 19. Maybe in a few years she will have more mature insults. It’s a lot of pressure to be put on someone so young to also say the perfect thing all the time",
">\n\nUnder nearly all circumstances, I agree with you.\nHowever, for a lot of people who have built a cult of personality around any given ideal, insults of the inoffensive type are completely commonplace. All they have to do is fend off one or two instances of this PG rated attacks, strawman them, call them snowflakes, and their following is bolstered and enhanced. Instead of having any negative effect, it becomes part of their inherent power.\nSometimes if you want to rattle a cult leader you have to hit with precision their most critical weakness and watch them implode. The fact that Tate is squirming so hard and doing everything he can to reclaim some of his dignity after Greta's clapback means that she has his number. Great isn't saying that having a small dick is bad, but knowing that Tate's entire personality is built about being an alpha male and that calling into question the size of his member will hurt him the most is what she was after. \nOf course, it wasn't classy and could be offensive to some. But as the saying goes, sometimes you have to fight fire with fire.",
">\n\nReally is he squirming? \nHe's rich he's popular and now he's gotten someone he disagrees with to repeat his ideology and platform spreading it to a wider audience. \nI'd argue he's happy for the attention and popularity that she's given to him now and enjoying the increased sales in his business as more men who feel marginalized and left out join him seeing this hypocrisy playing out. Not to mention all the political players( internationally) who were against climate action seeing all this and aligning themselves appropriately, possibly propping him up and making him something more than what he actually is- An ignorant troll. \nEngage with a troll and you only give them more power. The tweet was dumb and people should know better.\nEdit: spacing",
">\n\nI'm not commenting on whether or not his fans will like him more or if the controversy will inadvertently grant him a wider audience. \nI'm commenting that Greta knew exactly where and how to hit him the hardest. Yes, he is definitely squirming. He has scrambled out half a dozen prepubescent \"I know you are but what am I\" tweets. Then he went and made the absolute cringiest response video. He's incensed by being talked down to by Greta and is overcompensating. \nDid her tweet have any net positive effect on society? No. Did it ruffle Tate's feathers and make his blood boil? Yea. Would he have even cared if she called him a misogynistic prick? Absolutely not. He would have just told her to sit down and shut up, that misogyny is made up by inferior women blah blah blah...\nInstead, his insecurities are eating him alive.",
">\n\nWhy even respond and give him attention that he so desperately craves? And why body shame men in the process? \nIf she didn't have a better insult she could have just went on with her life instead of helping him grow. Using \"small dick energy\" as an insult means implicitly we agree that people with small penises are inferior and undesirable. That's basically what Tate is on about ( Toxic masculinity). And by laughing at her tweet we all reinforce that perception. Do you get that? \nSick of double standards and hypocrisy. At least people should have the courage to own up and acknowledge it then move on instead of doubling down and performing mental gymnastics to justify an obvious case of body shaming.\nI agree with you on one thing that the net effect on society because of this tweet exchange is negative and only serves the people who Greta and her followers hate.",
">\n\nI think you are missing what I am saying. I fully agree that it wasn't necessary nor was it the right thing for Greta to do. I also agree that it just gives him attention and was overall a useless venture other for the entertainment of Tate haters.\nOP asked why it is okay. I stated that it isn't okay but that I understand why Greta took that road rather than the suggested non-offensive approach. It is because he's immune to it. What he isn't immune to is his masculinity and ego being questioned. What is the point of the Wolf continuing to blow on the brick house? None. To get to the scared little piggies inside he needs a jackhammer. \nAnd it worked exactly how she planned it to. He was rattled and anyone who hates Tate is amused. \nNot saying it's the right thing to do, nor do I want anyone to feel ashamed of the size of their penis.",
">\n\nOk.. thanks for elaborating on that. I misunderstood your comment as a disagreement and engaged to try and change your mind but seems we share the same view.",
">\n\nYou do not know what Greta is \"fully aware\" of. She is referring to character and behaviour, why are you taking this personally? She isn't speaking to you, hasn't seen you, doesn't know you. I don't know why you are externalizing your issue like this and waving it around in public, is it our responsibility to fix this for you?\nShe was just making a tiny joke. Relax. smalldickenergy @ getalife .com is hilarious.",
">\n\nAside from everything else, it's men who started the 'big dick energy' idiocy so to then complain when someone uses their own stupidity against them...",
">\n\nYeah because men are a monolith and we all meet in a room and know each other smh.",
">\n\nThey’re saying it’s offensive to more than just Andrew Tate",
">\n\nYeah but again, ISN'T THE PURPOSE",
">\n\nWhat do you mean again? You didn’t say that before. And why does the purpose matter? You can do a bad thing without meaning to.",
">\n\nI meant to say isn't that the purpose lol mb",
">\n\nOh lol I probably should have realized that. But I think the point of the insult was to offend Andrew Tate.",
">\n\nFair. Trying to not say anything about him one way or another so I don't get downvoted to hell.",
">\n\nGreta lost that argument. She literally has like a hundred things Tate has said and done she could attack. Easy target... The one thing she chose to do is to body shame the man. It's just name calling. It's not a refutation of Tate. If anything it makes her sound stupid for her inability to come up with a refutation.",
">\n\nExactly. But people are just cheering her on and laughing along without grasping the nuance of the situation.",
">\n\nI think you are kinda missing the point. People know it offensive. The issue is that they don't care.",
">\n\nPeople used to make fun of small tits all the time. Remember the 90s? Remember the itty bitty titty committee? I don't know if that's a thing any more, but skinny women with no butts are definitely not seen as attractive. It's not fair. It's not their fault. People need to stop shaming themselves and eachother, and accept all bodies. Until then, \"small dick energy\" won't cease to be an insult. I guess the difference is people are sort of \"punching up\" since it's always been people with dicks who have the power in this world. I've never heard a dude say that another dude has \"small dick energy.\" It's always a woman saying that. Either way I think it's dumb but I get it. I've always thought \"Karen\" was a dumb insult too. Not someone's fault they were named Karen, LOL.",
">\n\nAndrew insulted her. He was asking for this insult. She was totally in the right. She wasn’t trying to shame anyone else. You’re asking for this insult too.",
">\n\nIsn't it more offensive for small pp folk, that there is a guy who base his entire existence on top of an argument that being an alpha, prime male is the most important thing in the world, and you need to be a testosterone bomb gorilla to have any kind of value. Isn't that argument disregards small dick guys in the first place?",
">\n\nAnd Greta just reinforced it with her reply. Do you see the problem now?\nEdit:replaced \"comment\" with \"reply\"",
">\n\nI believe I've already made a statement about what the problem is.",
">\n\nThen do you understand why Greta's reply is offensive and playing into Andrew Tate's hands?",
">\n\nLol this is twitter. There is no playing into each other's hands. Get outside.",
">\n\nOh look. Greta is human. Someone who spent a lot of her growing up time trying to educate people.\nIf she was in a bar and some doofus made a pass, she's just asserting herself. Age and context. Good on her.",
">\n\nIt is actually been studied. Men with small penises actually do have less energy- testosterone or something.",
">\n\nBeing offended by anything is each person's individual choice. If something is offensive to you, then simply choose to not be offended by it. It's truly that simple.",
">\n\nSo there is no such thing as hate speech?",
">\n\nNo, I didn't say that. Someone can certainly say something to someone that they hate with words that they feel will harm them mentally. That is \"hate speech\". The point I was trying to make is that we all as individuals have the choice to react to whatever someone says in whatever way we choose to react. If I feel offended by something that someone is saying, it is my choice to be offended by it.",
">\n\nI pretty much agree, but now we come to who decides. Does the person doing the talking decide whether it is hate speech? Or the person being talked at?",
">\n\nThere is no decision. The person who is talking thinks that what they are saying is not hateful, or they do. The person being talked at thinks that what the other person is saying is hateful, or they don't. The point is that it only matters if you make it matter to you. For example, if I say you are the dumbest person on earth, am I committing the crime of hate speech? Are you the dumbest person on earth? Probably not. But maybe I believe that you are. Does that make it true? If so, then it's not hate speech it's the truth...to me. If you, personally, believe that you are not the dumbest person on earth, then why would you concern yourself with what my dumbass has to say? To you, I'm the dumbest person on earth. I hope I'm getting my point across here.",
">\n\nSo we agree then? No laws regarding hate speech at all. You just ignore it and move on.",
">\n\nYes, sir.",
">\n\nYup",
">\n\nWhat if I say that I am offended that you are offended that you say \"small dick energy\" is offensive to men that are insecure about their size? Say I'm a man with a huge, massive dong. Say it's been a huge issue for me all my life. Let's say, hypothetically, that I am hugely insecure about the massive size of my dong and it's given me problems all my life. Every time I, hypothetically, go for a jog it's constantly flopping all over the place chaffing up my leg. Every time I have sex it's always this huge issue and only like half of the thing can go in before the receiver is like \"oh my god, stop, that's too much!\" Every time I receive oral sex, anything more than an inch beyond the tip causes a gag reflex. Does that sound exciting to you? Here you are bragging about your completely normal sized penis and all your normal sized penis sex and here this hypothetical person with a huge massive dong has all these issues. I can see how a hypothetical person with this debilitating issue would take offense that you take offense.",
">\n\nShe's an edgelord",
">\n\nreddit",
">\n\nSounds like a skill issue",
">\n\nDo you really get that offended? It's not like males themselves haven't sexualized females and their bodies and have said even worse and more common things about them? But we get offended over sum small? pun intended",
">\n\n“Some males have sexualized females therefore it’s fine for society to make fun of penis size.”",
">\n\nSociety? I don't see everyone (which represents society) doing it 😂 maybe you are focusing too much on negativity and that's all you see",
">\n\nSaying “small dick energy” is inherently a negative thing because it’s an insult. It also implies that there’s something bad about less endowed people because Tate is being compared to that demographic. \nWhen I say society, I mean that a decent percentage of people have “____ dick energy” built into their vocabulary to the point where the meaning of these terms is widely agreed on and it loses it’s direct connection to the penis. This doesn’t mean that the term is appropriate to use though since it originated from actual body shaming.",
">\n\nBattle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.",
">\n\nI think you should consider the situation at hand and less the use of insults as an absolute \nAndrew Tate absolutely deserves it",
">\n\nthe post its about the insult. \n\"Yeah I called this person a N... but lets focus on how bad that person is!!\"\nThe insult not only its very inflammatory (shows patriarcal estigmas,Its body shaming, reinforces toxic masculinity)\nIts also an extremely weak answer, its a groundless ad hominem. I would dare to argue the insult talks more about breta and his internalized toxic patriarcal estigmas than anything against tate.",
">\n\nGreta didn't start this. He was harassing her.",
">\n\n\"He started it\" -That's a toddler's excuse lmao",
">\n\nSo, in your opinion, Greta would have insulted him whether he had harassed her first, or not?",
">\n\nHer insulting him isn't the problem here. Its how she insulted him that's problematic.",
">\n\nWell, if he didn't want to be insulted, he could've done pretty much anything else with his time. I love the way you think people should be able to gatekeep how other people should hurt the feelings of people who are harassing them.",
">\n\nI'm not defending him or saying his feelings are hurt or that he doesn't deserve the insult. You're completely missing the point of this post and what we've been discussing. \n\"Body shaming is acceptable when it's directed at people we don't like\"- this is the hypocrisy that's being pointed out. It's not about who's better Tate or Greta but it's the bigger issue of shaming men's insecurities without any regard to their mental health. Do you get it now?",
">\n\nI think I do. It hadn't occurred to me that you might have a small penis. My apologies. Perhaps just as Greta Thurnberg travels the world as an advocate for awareness of Climate Change, you can break down the stereotype that people with small penises have energy. You should probably do as little as possible, though, since you don't want to be accused of having \"energy.\"",
">\n\nWasted my time replying after your \"he started it\" comment smh. Toddler mentality gugu gaga talk to me after you understand the issue.\nEdit: issue",
">\n\nI'm sorry about your peepee. But you have taught me not to trust stereotypes. And learning is fundamental.",
">\n\nI almost forgot. Please don't use the word toddler. It's offensive to small children.",
">\n\nFirst of all \"small dick energy\" shames the energy, not the small dick. It shames the fact to be insecure by your dick size (which is a metaphor for being insecure about your masculinity in general) and overcompensate by doing big manly stuff. It doesn't shame the fact to have a small dick.\nYou can argue that it is as bad, but it's important to understand that.",
">\n\nDon't be a cunt mate.",
">\n\nTechnically yes its body shaming but it's not that big a deal I think",
">\n\nIt has more to do with how they're acting rather than actual anatomy size.",
">\n\ncouple things: small dicks is one of the things about men that men tend to care about to an obsessive degree, that women do to a way lesser degree but pretend to, because men typically like to have a very braggadocious and obnoxious attitude about everything. this tate guy is that to the nth degree. so i mean if anyone deserves being called \"SDE\" its this tate guy \nsecond thing is that people who genuinely do have small dicks don't own that they have what they do; they lie about it. people who really do own that they have small dicks aren't made fun of for having them, because its not funny; the whole point is that you're lying about it and pretending like you're some big shot stud asshole, when you're not. if you own that you have a small dick, then ironically, you don't have \"SDE\"; you own what you have, you're not overcompensating and pretending to be something you're not. \nso if greta thunburg was to call, say, howard stern \"SDE\", a dude who owns that he has a small dick and makes fun of himself for it, then it wouldn't be funny. and howard stern even IS a braggadocious asshole. andrew tate is just wayyyyy more of one, and he pretend like he's god's gift to women. \nin general when it comes to \"oh poor men won't anybody think of the men\" i just cringe. i'm not the most liberal guy. but conservative guys just reappropriating the oppression olympics self-victimization shit and applying it to themselves is just pathetic.",
">\n\nSmall dick guy here... I always felt like guys like Howard Stern were compensating for it by self-loathing comedy. That's a big thing comedians do in general, and so to me it's always hard to say a guy truly doesn't care about it just because he's joking about it. On the other hand, maybe I'm just projecting, because I'll poke fun at my tiny pecker and not really care if someone makes fun of me for it, but it also does truly bother me a little bit when I hear things like, \"Oh that guy is an asshole, he must be mad because he has a tiny dick.\" Like... As if all us small guys are just furious that we aren't gonna win the dick-measuring contest that we let it affect our daily lives. It's a matter of extremes I think. I'm sure there's some guys with small ones that genuinely don't give a single fuck, and others who let it influence their entire lives, but I think most men with a small wang living in a society which implies that's a bad thing are going to end up somewhere in the middle of the scale.\nThe people I really feel bad for are the young people. Growing up with a small dick is a million times harder than being an adult with one. For the most part, nobody really cares if you're a grown man that's small, but when you're a teenager you feel like everybody cares. I had a really hard time wanting to pursue girls because of it, always worried about what their reaction would be, is they'd tell their girlfriends and it would get back to the other guys, etc. And that DOES happen... I remember being at the lunch table and someone saying, 'Did you hear Mike's dick is only x inches?\" and I'd be sitting there like, an inch shorter than Mike and pretending that I found it as funny as everyone else around the table. It didn't really hit me until I was much older that I probably wasn't the only one at the table doing that. Plus I always thought it was weird like, at least that was evidence \"Mike\" was getting some, why should he care if it was small? It wasn't until I got over it and had a few flings and girlfriends that I realized it made such a little difference (pun intended) than what I had built it up to in my mind.\nSo I mean... Yeah, I think some guys do truly have small dick energy, but all that means is they're insecure and I think it kind of sucks that people don't think about the feelings of people who had no part of the fight who get their feelings hurt as collateral damage, and that somehow just because of the douche the insult was leveled at we go, \"Haha you feel insecure about your body!\"\nOne thing it makes me think about that I'm guilty of is calling guys closet-cases. Yeah, I am just trying to point out they're overcompensating about things because they are ashamed of their sexuality, but I don't really take a pause and think, \"Wow, I bet that makes the people actually in the closet feel like shit.\" In some ways, I think it's even worse than just simple body shaming that as a society we're going around making fun of people for issues that could very well be deep seeded mental health issues, or could become so.",
">\n\nidk i just think that the only people being accused of having small dicks are people who are so obnoxious that it feels like they're compensating, like this guy. so sure its \"body shaming\", but a) body shaming is just something that happens that idk if we can ever really do anything about, because human beings value different body parts differently, and b) its only really shaming people because of their behavior, not their bodies. its shaming their behavior, by implying something about their bodies that would be embarrassing particularly for a person who is displaying this behavior, like tate does, because somebody that obsessed with getting chicks would probably be extremely concerned if people thought he had a small dick.",
">\n\nYeah that's the thing though, for me it really bothers me more that people think I'm going around being an asshole, driving a huge truck or otherwise trying to compensate just because my dick is small. I can also see the idea that it implies that having a small dick is bad. I mean just the idea that you can 'accuse' anyone of it implies there's something wrong with it.\nI mean, to me that's easier to hand-wave the idea that there's something wrong with it since I've had enough lived experience to know it doesn't matter. However, I feel like there's probably a lot of people out there who haven't who are still really hung up on it, particularly young people. I know I already brought up homosexuality, but it reminds me of when people use to say you shouldn't call things gay because it puts a negative connotation on homosexuality. Speaking of that, there's that phrase, \"It gets better,\" that is used to comfort/console LGTBQ youths and I think it should be applied to body-image issues too--whether that be penis size, breast size, weight, whatever. Looking back on my life, it was definitely the insecurities that negatively effected me far more than my actual size ever did. \nBut yeah I also feel like there's kind of a lot of people just trying to paint this as her being caught being a hypocrite or something, and I agree with you that I especially hate it when men frame it as some kind of, \"Oh look, see, we're oppressed too. So much for feminism!\" kind of argument.\nI guess I just see both sides of it.",
">\n\nVery well put. I honestly think you have changed some minds today. Hopefully more people stop and think before blindly defending someone they look up to.",
">\n\nI have a small dick, it's fine",
">\n\nThat's the point.",
">\n\nNo shit.",
">\n\n\"small dick energy\" isn't mocking someone for their penis size but for behaving in a way that they are compensating for insecurities and people like Tait measure their masculinity in \"I own cars\" is the epitome of trying to mask insecurities",
">\n\nI think the point about \"energy\" keeps being ignored. \nYou can have a small dick, but with thoughtfulness and confidence never have \"small dick energy\"\nYou can have a big schlong and be a needy jerkstore which gives you \"small dick energy\"\nAnd you can be like Andrew Tate and have a very small one and have \"small dick energy\" and be an absolute creepy, dumbass attention goblin.\nThe grand majority of people don't give a flip about the size of your dick. People with dicks care about the size of their own dick. It's the assumption that everyone cares as much as they do about their dick that's the real problem.",
">\n\nSo you agree the stereotype is false ..... and hurtful. If it's really an assumption as you say then people won't use \"tiny dick\" as an insult on people they don't like right? If no one really cares then there's no need to use it as an insult anyway right? Right??\nBut they do because it's socially acceptable to body shame men for some reason. Just see the tweet posts in other subs and their comments section laughing along, cheering her on and poking fun at men who have small penises and the stereotypes associated with such.",
">\n\nI don't know how old you are but like.\nSaying small dick energy actually has anything to do with the size of someone's dick is like culturally irrelevant.\nLike you can have a tiny dick and still have big dick energy and you can have a big dick and have small dick energy.\nBecause, Most people who need to project their insecurities are insulted by the size assumption.\nIt's more about the idea of insulting someone by saying they're just trying to project masculinity. This is the same reason why being in small dick energy is really used in all circles and not just as a male centered insult.\nLike buck and stud lesbians love the fuck out of that term.\nPeople with a small dick who get insulted by the general idea of small dick energy as an insult need to deal with their own insecurities.\nI'd much rather have a small dick than small dick energy.",
">\n\nIf the size is irrelevant, why associate being small with only negative traits and being big with only positive traits? You can't, and you could just say that being smaller makes you a bad person. It would be more honest. I'm sure people dealing with insecurities appreciate being associated with a human trafficker...",
">\n\nLike I said I have a small dick and would rather have a small dick than have small dick energy.\nThe whole point is that the only people who care about size are people who are easily insecure.\nIt's because they care the people making the jokes know that size doesn't matter and they're not making fun of people who have small dicks they're making fun of the people who care so much about what the size of their dick is that an influences their entire self worth.",
">\n\nThere are plenty of secure people who care about size. They are big, so they don't get made fun of. The people who make the jokes, whether they realize it or not, imply that small = bad person. It reinforces to insecure people that they are wrong for something that they have no control over and that people around them, including loved ones, would think lesser of them, because they probably would if they are making these jokes.",
">\n\nBro I'm not big and I'm pointing out that not everyone who has a small dick is insulted by the idea of small dick energy this really seems to be a you problem.",
">\n\nI'M pointing out that not everyone who is offended is a bad person, but people, like anyone defending this phrase, are just going to pretend to not understand because this is something people don't care if you make fun of, so this is just a waste of time.",
">\n\n\nNot everyone who is offended is a bad person\n\nYeah, they're just wrongly offended because they assume the intent of something from a community they are not a part of. This is happening more and more because of how the internet is working.\nIs like \"Okay Boomer\" wasn't actually about being born a boomer but about the Mindset of the generation.\nIt's the YOU and the other people offended who refuse to understand that \"Small Dick Energy\" isn't connected to you're actual dick size."
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Because it's only the people who are so insecure about their dick size who would get offended by the thought of small dick energy being an insult so it's kind of like self-selecting.
It's like when women say I hate men if you're not a man who shitty to women you're not going to get offended by people saying that.
We're not making fun of people for having small dicks we're making fun of people for acting like anyone in society cares about the size of your dick.
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"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult.",
">\n\nIt's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh.",
">\n\nHonestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV",
">\n\nPeople can make mistakes and this was one of them.. so we can all just criticize her reply fairly and move on. No need for acute mental gymnastics to defend her as this comments section is showing lmao.",
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">\n\nI don't think anyone is arguing it's not offensive. I'm pretty sure she was trying to offend insecure men. Apparently with great success.",
">\n\nShe was trying to offend men who were insecure about their body image?\nHow is that not body shaming?",
">\n\nIt is, but we playing the avoidance and rationalization game",
">\n\nbecause women invented \"small dick energy\"\nharsh, sad. but we go jim🗿",
">\n\nOP never mentioned women tho. Post is strictly about why it's offensive. Do you disagree that it's not offensive or you think it's a trivial matter to make fun of that men's mental health doesn't matter as much?",
">\n\nThe female equivalent is\n\"Loose Pussy Energy\".\nThe typical man-hate hypocrisy commonly going around is beyond obvious. And it is an attack on All men and boys not just some.",
">\n\nNot a disagreement per se, but also worth noting that it’s transphobic. Which is to say, it insults all men by reinforcing patriarchy and punching down to two groups of men.",
">\n\nShe said small dick energy. Not that he had a small dick (though, come on). She used that phrase BECAUSE it's Tate. She's not a moron.\nHe is, as evidenced by his life to this point and his two responses to Thunberg, which were epically pathetic, is a moron and didn't seem to get it, though he doesn't get a lot.",
">\n\nThis is worse than saying he has a small dick, because how would she know, and that would just be dismissed as stupid.\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\nI can't understand the mental gymnastics some people are doing to try and say this isn't body shaming.",
">\n\n\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\n\nI mean yeah -- kind of like how pussy is an insult denoting cowardice, cunt is an insult meaning basically, terrible, etc., \nShe used that on purpose. Are you making CMV every time you see someone calling someone else a pussy?",
">\n\nPussy is kind of already known to be a shitty gendered insult so it doesn't need a CMV. In this case, Greta's gendered \"having a small penis is bad\" tweet is massively amplified, reached r/all on a shitload of subs, etc. so some discussion about whether or not that is cool is warranted",
">\n\nSmall dick energy isn’t about having a small dick tho. It’s a reflection of an attitude that men who are offensive, aggressive, nasty to people are overcompensating for their insecurities. A small dick doesn’t mean you won’t be able to find a partner or that you’re any less of a man. Being a downright trash bag of a human to others, like in this instance where an internet edgelord is cyber bullying a teenager on the internet who is fighting for the survival of our planet/humanity is an example of this trash behavior, is more of a determining factor. \nYou can also have a small dick but have big dick energy, as it’s reflective of who you are as a person. It’s an attitude. It’s who you choose to be to yourself and others. Hell, there’s women who use the term that they have big dick energy and I can tell you those women’s dicks are none existent so therefore size isn’t a thing. \nNo one should be made fun of for something they had no control over. The worth of a man is not tied to the size of his penis. Although, toxic masculinity and shallow people will tell you different. They say the same for disabled people, fat people etc. There’s plenty of people who are not “conventional standards of beauty” which is the majority of us, that lead happy, healthy relationships. Those relationships start with yourself and understanding your worth as a person isn’t tied to what you look like or how big your junk is. \nThe point is if you choose to be a trash person like Tate, where your self worth is tied into how cruel/offensive you can be to other people, don’t be mad if people call you out for that trashy attitude. Your post definitely reeks of “men are the true victims” when clearly you didn’t seem to have a problem with a grown man cyber bullying a teenager.",
">\n\nI like how you imply that OP is a fan of a literal human trafficker because they point out that a body-shaming insult is body-shaming. Do you understand why associating a trait of someone's body with negative personality traits is bad?",
">\n\nNo because people like this always have exceptions that allow them to use the things they complain about. Cognitive gymnastics allows them to recognise shaming women and people of colour is bad, because society will eat them otherwise, but when someone shows up who deserves a bit of a roasting all of their social etiquette rules go out the window and the excuses come out as to why in this context it doesn't count.\n\"Ahh no, here it is a reflection of an attitude\" blah blah 3 paragraphs later and we've clouded over the simple fact that body shaming is body shaming and harms people you weren't intending to insult.",
">\n\nPeople like this? You’re assuming things about me because I am a character in your mind not a real person. I am not a monolith. We should not be body shaming people. I am explaining the other side of this issue and why people use these terms. You never asked if I use these same terms in my life. You assumed I do. I don’t. You didn’t even bother to read my response because if you did you would have realized this.",
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">\n\nYou can have smol pp but big pp energy and vice versa",
">\n\nSo why is the phrase small dick energy if it has nothing to do with having a small dick?",
">\n\nIdk man, I just work here.",
">\n\nYou know why. Lol cause small dick is associated with bad. And by insulting dicks you use this knowledge to offend, at the cost of body shaming people. \nStop feigning dumb just to avoid the reasoning lol",
">\n\nI can see how it would be offensive, and I wouldn’t use it myself. I feel like the phrase refers more to how someone acts as opposed to how they are endowed. And how it’s behavior and actions that make people think down of you not your penis.",
">\n\nPoint is that we, as a society, should encourage better insults that attack the comments of the person without necessarily having to equate it to something someone with a small dick.",
">\n\nWould you agree with me, that if Andrew clapped back with one of those that the internet would be up in arms about it?",
">\n\nYou mean the way that you are, here, on the internet, up in arms?",
">\n\nIm one person on reddit, theres no major backlash like there would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\nSee, what's happening here is that you are also looking at people who are \"one person on Reddit\" and pretending it's a major backlash. Andrew Tate says fucked up things about women all the time (in fact, it's kind of his whole schtick) and it's as much of a non-event as this is.",
">\n\nPlease link me to something fucked up hes said about women, and ill agree with you, two wrongs don't make a right.",
">\n\nHere's exhibit A.",
">\n\nSure I agree with you he has said fucked up stuff about women, it doesn't mean its okay to make a joke about small dick energy.\nDo you understand my point?",
">\n\nWe understand, it's just that your point is fucking stupid",
">\n\nYou have no idea what his point is, it's funny that people on this thread OP and others actually like Andrew Tate.\nIt proves that everyone is completely frothingly tribalistic with zero nuance.",
">\n\nIf someone is behaving insufferably, people are going to laugh at them for things that they wouldn’t find funny if it happened to someone they liked.\nFor example, is it funny when people go bankrupt? No. Would it be funny if someone like Andrew Tate went bankrupt after boasting about Bugattis and all of his mass wealth? Yes. This doesn’t mean people who would make fun of him for that are making fun of poverty or all people who lose their livelihoods, it would just be funny if it happened to that particular person. \nIn the same way, the idea that Tate does all the douchey, over the top macho things that he does in order to compensate for having a small penis is funny, whilst it not being funny to make fun of every person who has a small penis.",
">\n\nSubstitute fat. Is that ok?",
">\n\nDepends on what the fat person is doing. If the person is minding their own business then no, if the fat person is attacking other people’s appearances then yeah go for it.",
">\n\nInteresting take. Might want to play with that a bit. A lot of situations where your reasoning falls apart.",
">\n\nPeople insulted Trump for being fat when he tried to say he was like the most fit person ever. People make fun of Elon Musk's body. You can make the same type of insult to two different people and it come off two different ways. \nWhen you make your identity or argument around something it opens up certain insults and comebacks. \nTate's whole thing is trying to act like this \"alpha male\" when in reality he's a sex trafficking weirdo who pays women to hang out with him. It's totally fine to insult him with a childish insult. \nI also find that people worried or mad about this don't actually care about body image issues. They just want a gotcha moment for people. Because many would have shitty takes about fat people or whine about pc culture.",
">\n\nWhen you call some MF that doesn't necessarily mean you are a MF... I'm not saying it's okay to say abusing words but we still do use them.\nI don't think she said it in literal terms, it was completely literary. Also she only said it cause it was Tate who she said it to. Also if a woman has small tits and someone said to someone else that they have small tits energy, I don't think one who actually has small tits would mind it, cause she is not involved and it's kinda perfect way of irritating Tate.. cause he really cares about these things. \nWhen it comes to increasing the insecurity of someone who actually has small D and is insecure about it... She couldn't think so far cause all she wanted was to irritate Tate and she was successful",
">\n\nI don't think it even irritated him if that was her goal but definitely helped him with popularity. It just proves what he says people think of insecure men, it just moves them to him and he gains more influence. It was an ignorant reply in poor taste. Someone with much following and influence as Greta shouldn't be as irresponsible and the followers shouldn't be having to do mental gymnastics to defend her instead of seeing it as it is: body shaming against men.",
">\n\nIs this some kind of weird meta-game? Are Andrew Tate fans pretending to actually be offended by this stupid insult to prove a point? Does anybody actually think her retort was any sharper than a brick wrapped in a wet blanket?\nWhat is going on here?!",
">\n\n\nWhat is going on here?!\n\nAndrew Tate fans have a lot of small dick energy. That's whats going on.",
">\n\nWhy are people not allowed dislike tate (he's an absolute idiot and a grifter) and also to criticize obvious body shaming from a supposed progressive? If Biden started talking about \"N*gger energy\" criticizing Kanye for antisemitism, would that be ok in your eyes? Would you say that a black guy who doesn't like that must be an angry Kanye fan? Or is it disgustingly offensive towards all African Americans to use that type of language no matter what?",
">\n\nBecause it suits their narrative to frame it as if people are just defending tate. It's easier than just actually defending body shaming. Done deal.",
">\n\nI think Greta used that phrase not because she actually believes or wants to promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior, but because people like Andrew Tate believe and promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior. If Andrew Tate gets hurt because Greta says he has small dick energy, then maybe -- just maybe, with the tiniest bit of introspection -- he'll come to realize how hateful some of his language is.\nBullies like Andrew Tate don't really respond to logic or pleas for sympathy. The only way to maybe make them understand the hurt they cause is to inflict it on them, because they don't care about anyone but themselves. \nSo instead of putting the cart before the horse and blaming Greta for using an offensive phrase as an argumentative tactic, maybe blame the people who use the phrase to actually demean people.",
">\n\nCan we substitute fat instead and be justified?",
">\n\nYes people did that with Trump when he claimed to be the fittest person ever basically. If someone has a habit of insulting people a certain way or making certain claims then they open themselves up to specific insults. \nSometimes we'd find those insults not tasteful if said to other people. But I feel like most people equating this to fat insults don't actually care about fat people. A lot of people would also be like oh things are getting too pc or soft or woke when it comes to body positivity towards fat people. So for me it's hard to buy this line of reasoning as being truly valid or caring.",
">\n\nNo one said it has to be authentic caring. This sub is for exploring the intellectual arguments. Your perception of how authentic someone’s feelings towards fat people is basically irrelevant. Argue the point or don’t. Passing your authenticity test is a wierd standard to try to argue for.",
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">\n\nYes, making insults is offensive. That's the point.\nInsults that reference a body part are also offensive to people who are insecure about that body part. That's also kinda obvious.\nWhat do you want your mind changed about here? I'm unclear about what you think can be discussed about an insult meant to be insulting. Are you arguing that this insult is especially wrong in some way?\nHow is this not just you soapboxing?",
">\n\nThere's a reason as a society we don't use insults like \"retard\". This is in the same vein. You're attributing a negative thing with a man having a small penis. This is harmful as it perpetuates the stigma surrounding penis size which is outside ones control. Essentially it degrades a group of people who have nothing to do with it. OP wants to know whether or not this is reconciled. Reading the comments... It has not been. \nMaking gendered insults doesn't bother me truthfully but I can understand the frustration OP is expressing because were it to be a man making some edgy reference to a woman's lady parts being inadequate as a way to demean them then everyone would be outraged as opposed to cheering it on.",
">\n\nUsing “small dick” as an insult, or “loose pussy” isn’t really offensive unless you are insecure about the physical viability of your reproductive organs. \nBut, that doesn’t make it funny. It’s a really juvenile and uncreative way of ridiculing someone.",
">\n\nInsecure women are offended when they're fat shamed.\nIt's still body shaming.\nIt's still wrong.",
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">\n\nGuy randomly decides to flex on her by saying I HAVE CARS AND I LIKE TO GO VROOOOM. It's like when Piers decides that it's absolutely important to eat meat in front of vegans. It's not about penis size. It's just that smalldickenergy is a perfect explanation of why would someone decide to behave like this.",
">\n\nShe is 19. Maybe in a few years she will have more mature insults. It’s a lot of pressure to be put on someone so young to also say the perfect thing all the time",
">\n\nUnder nearly all circumstances, I agree with you.\nHowever, for a lot of people who have built a cult of personality around any given ideal, insults of the inoffensive type are completely commonplace. All they have to do is fend off one or two instances of this PG rated attacks, strawman them, call them snowflakes, and their following is bolstered and enhanced. Instead of having any negative effect, it becomes part of their inherent power.\nSometimes if you want to rattle a cult leader you have to hit with precision their most critical weakness and watch them implode. The fact that Tate is squirming so hard and doing everything he can to reclaim some of his dignity after Greta's clapback means that she has his number. Great isn't saying that having a small dick is bad, but knowing that Tate's entire personality is built about being an alpha male and that calling into question the size of his member will hurt him the most is what she was after. \nOf course, it wasn't classy and could be offensive to some. But as the saying goes, sometimes you have to fight fire with fire.",
">\n\nReally is he squirming? \nHe's rich he's popular and now he's gotten someone he disagrees with to repeat his ideology and platform spreading it to a wider audience. \nI'd argue he's happy for the attention and popularity that she's given to him now and enjoying the increased sales in his business as more men who feel marginalized and left out join him seeing this hypocrisy playing out. Not to mention all the political players( internationally) who were against climate action seeing all this and aligning themselves appropriately, possibly propping him up and making him something more than what he actually is- An ignorant troll. \nEngage with a troll and you only give them more power. The tweet was dumb and people should know better.\nEdit: spacing",
">\n\nI'm not commenting on whether or not his fans will like him more or if the controversy will inadvertently grant him a wider audience. \nI'm commenting that Greta knew exactly where and how to hit him the hardest. Yes, he is definitely squirming. He has scrambled out half a dozen prepubescent \"I know you are but what am I\" tweets. Then he went and made the absolute cringiest response video. He's incensed by being talked down to by Greta and is overcompensating. \nDid her tweet have any net positive effect on society? No. Did it ruffle Tate's feathers and make his blood boil? Yea. Would he have even cared if she called him a misogynistic prick? Absolutely not. He would have just told her to sit down and shut up, that misogyny is made up by inferior women blah blah blah...\nInstead, his insecurities are eating him alive.",
">\n\nWhy even respond and give him attention that he so desperately craves? And why body shame men in the process? \nIf she didn't have a better insult she could have just went on with her life instead of helping him grow. Using \"small dick energy\" as an insult means implicitly we agree that people with small penises are inferior and undesirable. That's basically what Tate is on about ( Toxic masculinity). And by laughing at her tweet we all reinforce that perception. Do you get that? \nSick of double standards and hypocrisy. At least people should have the courage to own up and acknowledge it then move on instead of doubling down and performing mental gymnastics to justify an obvious case of body shaming.\nI agree with you on one thing that the net effect on society because of this tweet exchange is negative and only serves the people who Greta and her followers hate.",
">\n\nI think you are missing what I am saying. I fully agree that it wasn't necessary nor was it the right thing for Greta to do. I also agree that it just gives him attention and was overall a useless venture other for the entertainment of Tate haters.\nOP asked why it is okay. I stated that it isn't okay but that I understand why Greta took that road rather than the suggested non-offensive approach. It is because he's immune to it. What he isn't immune to is his masculinity and ego being questioned. What is the point of the Wolf continuing to blow on the brick house? None. To get to the scared little piggies inside he needs a jackhammer. \nAnd it worked exactly how she planned it to. He was rattled and anyone who hates Tate is amused. \nNot saying it's the right thing to do, nor do I want anyone to feel ashamed of the size of their penis.",
">\n\nOk.. thanks for elaborating on that. I misunderstood your comment as a disagreement and engaged to try and change your mind but seems we share the same view.",
">\n\nYou do not know what Greta is \"fully aware\" of. She is referring to character and behaviour, why are you taking this personally? She isn't speaking to you, hasn't seen you, doesn't know you. I don't know why you are externalizing your issue like this and waving it around in public, is it our responsibility to fix this for you?\nShe was just making a tiny joke. Relax. smalldickenergy @ getalife .com is hilarious.",
">\n\nAside from everything else, it's men who started the 'big dick energy' idiocy so to then complain when someone uses their own stupidity against them...",
">\n\nYeah because men are a monolith and we all meet in a room and know each other smh.",
">\n\nThey’re saying it’s offensive to more than just Andrew Tate",
">\n\nYeah but again, ISN'T THE PURPOSE",
">\n\nWhat do you mean again? You didn’t say that before. And why does the purpose matter? You can do a bad thing without meaning to.",
">\n\nI meant to say isn't that the purpose lol mb",
">\n\nOh lol I probably should have realized that. But I think the point of the insult was to offend Andrew Tate.",
">\n\nFair. Trying to not say anything about him one way or another so I don't get downvoted to hell.",
">\n\nGreta lost that argument. She literally has like a hundred things Tate has said and done she could attack. Easy target... The one thing she chose to do is to body shame the man. It's just name calling. It's not a refutation of Tate. If anything it makes her sound stupid for her inability to come up with a refutation.",
">\n\nExactly. But people are just cheering her on and laughing along without grasping the nuance of the situation.",
">\n\nI think you are kinda missing the point. People know it offensive. The issue is that they don't care.",
">\n\nPeople used to make fun of small tits all the time. Remember the 90s? Remember the itty bitty titty committee? I don't know if that's a thing any more, but skinny women with no butts are definitely not seen as attractive. It's not fair. It's not their fault. People need to stop shaming themselves and eachother, and accept all bodies. Until then, \"small dick energy\" won't cease to be an insult. I guess the difference is people are sort of \"punching up\" since it's always been people with dicks who have the power in this world. I've never heard a dude say that another dude has \"small dick energy.\" It's always a woman saying that. Either way I think it's dumb but I get it. I've always thought \"Karen\" was a dumb insult too. Not someone's fault they were named Karen, LOL.",
">\n\nAndrew insulted her. He was asking for this insult. She was totally in the right. She wasn’t trying to shame anyone else. You’re asking for this insult too.",
">\n\nIsn't it more offensive for small pp folk, that there is a guy who base his entire existence on top of an argument that being an alpha, prime male is the most important thing in the world, and you need to be a testosterone bomb gorilla to have any kind of value. Isn't that argument disregards small dick guys in the first place?",
">\n\nAnd Greta just reinforced it with her reply. Do you see the problem now?\nEdit:replaced \"comment\" with \"reply\"",
">\n\nI believe I've already made a statement about what the problem is.",
">\n\nThen do you understand why Greta's reply is offensive and playing into Andrew Tate's hands?",
">\n\nLol this is twitter. There is no playing into each other's hands. Get outside.",
">\n\nOh look. Greta is human. Someone who spent a lot of her growing up time trying to educate people.\nIf she was in a bar and some doofus made a pass, she's just asserting herself. Age and context. Good on her.",
">\n\nIt is actually been studied. Men with small penises actually do have less energy- testosterone or something.",
">\n\nBeing offended by anything is each person's individual choice. If something is offensive to you, then simply choose to not be offended by it. It's truly that simple.",
">\n\nSo there is no such thing as hate speech?",
">\n\nNo, I didn't say that. Someone can certainly say something to someone that they hate with words that they feel will harm them mentally. That is \"hate speech\". The point I was trying to make is that we all as individuals have the choice to react to whatever someone says in whatever way we choose to react. If I feel offended by something that someone is saying, it is my choice to be offended by it.",
">\n\nI pretty much agree, but now we come to who decides. Does the person doing the talking decide whether it is hate speech? Or the person being talked at?",
">\n\nThere is no decision. The person who is talking thinks that what they are saying is not hateful, or they do. The person being talked at thinks that what the other person is saying is hateful, or they don't. The point is that it only matters if you make it matter to you. For example, if I say you are the dumbest person on earth, am I committing the crime of hate speech? Are you the dumbest person on earth? Probably not. But maybe I believe that you are. Does that make it true? If so, then it's not hate speech it's the truth...to me. If you, personally, believe that you are not the dumbest person on earth, then why would you concern yourself with what my dumbass has to say? To you, I'm the dumbest person on earth. I hope I'm getting my point across here.",
">\n\nSo we agree then? No laws regarding hate speech at all. You just ignore it and move on.",
">\n\nYes, sir.",
">\n\nYup",
">\n\nWhat if I say that I am offended that you are offended that you say \"small dick energy\" is offensive to men that are insecure about their size? Say I'm a man with a huge, massive dong. Say it's been a huge issue for me all my life. Let's say, hypothetically, that I am hugely insecure about the massive size of my dong and it's given me problems all my life. Every time I, hypothetically, go for a jog it's constantly flopping all over the place chaffing up my leg. Every time I have sex it's always this huge issue and only like half of the thing can go in before the receiver is like \"oh my god, stop, that's too much!\" Every time I receive oral sex, anything more than an inch beyond the tip causes a gag reflex. Does that sound exciting to you? Here you are bragging about your completely normal sized penis and all your normal sized penis sex and here this hypothetical person with a huge massive dong has all these issues. I can see how a hypothetical person with this debilitating issue would take offense that you take offense.",
">\n\nShe's an edgelord",
">\n\nreddit",
">\n\nSounds like a skill issue",
">\n\nDo you really get that offended? It's not like males themselves haven't sexualized females and their bodies and have said even worse and more common things about them? But we get offended over sum small? pun intended",
">\n\n“Some males have sexualized females therefore it’s fine for society to make fun of penis size.”",
">\n\nSociety? I don't see everyone (which represents society) doing it 😂 maybe you are focusing too much on negativity and that's all you see",
">\n\nSaying “small dick energy” is inherently a negative thing because it’s an insult. It also implies that there’s something bad about less endowed people because Tate is being compared to that demographic. \nWhen I say society, I mean that a decent percentage of people have “____ dick energy” built into their vocabulary to the point where the meaning of these terms is widely agreed on and it loses it’s direct connection to the penis. This doesn’t mean that the term is appropriate to use though since it originated from actual body shaming.",
">\n\nBattle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.",
">\n\nI think you should consider the situation at hand and less the use of insults as an absolute \nAndrew Tate absolutely deserves it",
">\n\nthe post its about the insult. \n\"Yeah I called this person a N... but lets focus on how bad that person is!!\"\nThe insult not only its very inflammatory (shows patriarcal estigmas,Its body shaming, reinforces toxic masculinity)\nIts also an extremely weak answer, its a groundless ad hominem. I would dare to argue the insult talks more about breta and his internalized toxic patriarcal estigmas than anything against tate.",
">\n\nGreta didn't start this. He was harassing her.",
">\n\n\"He started it\" -That's a toddler's excuse lmao",
">\n\nSo, in your opinion, Greta would have insulted him whether he had harassed her first, or not?",
">\n\nHer insulting him isn't the problem here. Its how she insulted him that's problematic.",
">\n\nWell, if he didn't want to be insulted, he could've done pretty much anything else with his time. I love the way you think people should be able to gatekeep how other people should hurt the feelings of people who are harassing them.",
">\n\nI'm not defending him or saying his feelings are hurt or that he doesn't deserve the insult. You're completely missing the point of this post and what we've been discussing. \n\"Body shaming is acceptable when it's directed at people we don't like\"- this is the hypocrisy that's being pointed out. It's not about who's better Tate or Greta but it's the bigger issue of shaming men's insecurities without any regard to their mental health. Do you get it now?",
">\n\nI think I do. It hadn't occurred to me that you might have a small penis. My apologies. Perhaps just as Greta Thurnberg travels the world as an advocate for awareness of Climate Change, you can break down the stereotype that people with small penises have energy. You should probably do as little as possible, though, since you don't want to be accused of having \"energy.\"",
">\n\nWasted my time replying after your \"he started it\" comment smh. Toddler mentality gugu gaga talk to me after you understand the issue.\nEdit: issue",
">\n\nI'm sorry about your peepee. But you have taught me not to trust stereotypes. And learning is fundamental.",
">\n\nI almost forgot. Please don't use the word toddler. It's offensive to small children.",
">\n\nFirst of all \"small dick energy\" shames the energy, not the small dick. It shames the fact to be insecure by your dick size (which is a metaphor for being insecure about your masculinity in general) and overcompensate by doing big manly stuff. It doesn't shame the fact to have a small dick.\nYou can argue that it is as bad, but it's important to understand that.",
">\n\nDon't be a cunt mate.",
">\n\nTechnically yes its body shaming but it's not that big a deal I think",
">\n\nIt has more to do with how they're acting rather than actual anatomy size.",
">\n\ncouple things: small dicks is one of the things about men that men tend to care about to an obsessive degree, that women do to a way lesser degree but pretend to, because men typically like to have a very braggadocious and obnoxious attitude about everything. this tate guy is that to the nth degree. so i mean if anyone deserves being called \"SDE\" its this tate guy \nsecond thing is that people who genuinely do have small dicks don't own that they have what they do; they lie about it. people who really do own that they have small dicks aren't made fun of for having them, because its not funny; the whole point is that you're lying about it and pretending like you're some big shot stud asshole, when you're not. if you own that you have a small dick, then ironically, you don't have \"SDE\"; you own what you have, you're not overcompensating and pretending to be something you're not. \nso if greta thunburg was to call, say, howard stern \"SDE\", a dude who owns that he has a small dick and makes fun of himself for it, then it wouldn't be funny. and howard stern even IS a braggadocious asshole. andrew tate is just wayyyyy more of one, and he pretend like he's god's gift to women. \nin general when it comes to \"oh poor men won't anybody think of the men\" i just cringe. i'm not the most liberal guy. but conservative guys just reappropriating the oppression olympics self-victimization shit and applying it to themselves is just pathetic.",
">\n\nSmall dick guy here... I always felt like guys like Howard Stern were compensating for it by self-loathing comedy. That's a big thing comedians do in general, and so to me it's always hard to say a guy truly doesn't care about it just because he's joking about it. On the other hand, maybe I'm just projecting, because I'll poke fun at my tiny pecker and not really care if someone makes fun of me for it, but it also does truly bother me a little bit when I hear things like, \"Oh that guy is an asshole, he must be mad because he has a tiny dick.\" Like... As if all us small guys are just furious that we aren't gonna win the dick-measuring contest that we let it affect our daily lives. It's a matter of extremes I think. I'm sure there's some guys with small ones that genuinely don't give a single fuck, and others who let it influence their entire lives, but I think most men with a small wang living in a society which implies that's a bad thing are going to end up somewhere in the middle of the scale.\nThe people I really feel bad for are the young people. Growing up with a small dick is a million times harder than being an adult with one. For the most part, nobody really cares if you're a grown man that's small, but when you're a teenager you feel like everybody cares. I had a really hard time wanting to pursue girls because of it, always worried about what their reaction would be, is they'd tell their girlfriends and it would get back to the other guys, etc. And that DOES happen... I remember being at the lunch table and someone saying, 'Did you hear Mike's dick is only x inches?\" and I'd be sitting there like, an inch shorter than Mike and pretending that I found it as funny as everyone else around the table. It didn't really hit me until I was much older that I probably wasn't the only one at the table doing that. Plus I always thought it was weird like, at least that was evidence \"Mike\" was getting some, why should he care if it was small? It wasn't until I got over it and had a few flings and girlfriends that I realized it made such a little difference (pun intended) than what I had built it up to in my mind.\nSo I mean... Yeah, I think some guys do truly have small dick energy, but all that means is they're insecure and I think it kind of sucks that people don't think about the feelings of people who had no part of the fight who get their feelings hurt as collateral damage, and that somehow just because of the douche the insult was leveled at we go, \"Haha you feel insecure about your body!\"\nOne thing it makes me think about that I'm guilty of is calling guys closet-cases. Yeah, I am just trying to point out they're overcompensating about things because they are ashamed of their sexuality, but I don't really take a pause and think, \"Wow, I bet that makes the people actually in the closet feel like shit.\" In some ways, I think it's even worse than just simple body shaming that as a society we're going around making fun of people for issues that could very well be deep seeded mental health issues, or could become so.",
">\n\nidk i just think that the only people being accused of having small dicks are people who are so obnoxious that it feels like they're compensating, like this guy. so sure its \"body shaming\", but a) body shaming is just something that happens that idk if we can ever really do anything about, because human beings value different body parts differently, and b) its only really shaming people because of their behavior, not their bodies. its shaming their behavior, by implying something about their bodies that would be embarrassing particularly for a person who is displaying this behavior, like tate does, because somebody that obsessed with getting chicks would probably be extremely concerned if people thought he had a small dick.",
">\n\nYeah that's the thing though, for me it really bothers me more that people think I'm going around being an asshole, driving a huge truck or otherwise trying to compensate just because my dick is small. I can also see the idea that it implies that having a small dick is bad. I mean just the idea that you can 'accuse' anyone of it implies there's something wrong with it.\nI mean, to me that's easier to hand-wave the idea that there's something wrong with it since I've had enough lived experience to know it doesn't matter. However, I feel like there's probably a lot of people out there who haven't who are still really hung up on it, particularly young people. I know I already brought up homosexuality, but it reminds me of when people use to say you shouldn't call things gay because it puts a negative connotation on homosexuality. Speaking of that, there's that phrase, \"It gets better,\" that is used to comfort/console LGTBQ youths and I think it should be applied to body-image issues too--whether that be penis size, breast size, weight, whatever. Looking back on my life, it was definitely the insecurities that negatively effected me far more than my actual size ever did. \nBut yeah I also feel like there's kind of a lot of people just trying to paint this as her being caught being a hypocrite or something, and I agree with you that I especially hate it when men frame it as some kind of, \"Oh look, see, we're oppressed too. So much for feminism!\" kind of argument.\nI guess I just see both sides of it.",
">\n\nVery well put. I honestly think you have changed some minds today. Hopefully more people stop and think before blindly defending someone they look up to.",
">\n\nI have a small dick, it's fine",
">\n\nThat's the point.",
">\n\nNo shit.",
">\n\n\"small dick energy\" isn't mocking someone for their penis size but for behaving in a way that they are compensating for insecurities and people like Tait measure their masculinity in \"I own cars\" is the epitome of trying to mask insecurities",
">\n\nI think the point about \"energy\" keeps being ignored. \nYou can have a small dick, but with thoughtfulness and confidence never have \"small dick energy\"\nYou can have a big schlong and be a needy jerkstore which gives you \"small dick energy\"\nAnd you can be like Andrew Tate and have a very small one and have \"small dick energy\" and be an absolute creepy, dumbass attention goblin.\nThe grand majority of people don't give a flip about the size of your dick. People with dicks care about the size of their own dick. It's the assumption that everyone cares as much as they do about their dick that's the real problem.",
">\n\nSo you agree the stereotype is false ..... and hurtful. If it's really an assumption as you say then people won't use \"tiny dick\" as an insult on people they don't like right? If no one really cares then there's no need to use it as an insult anyway right? Right??\nBut they do because it's socially acceptable to body shame men for some reason. Just see the tweet posts in other subs and their comments section laughing along, cheering her on and poking fun at men who have small penises and the stereotypes associated with such.",
">\n\nI don't know how old you are but like.\nSaying small dick energy actually has anything to do with the size of someone's dick is like culturally irrelevant.\nLike you can have a tiny dick and still have big dick energy and you can have a big dick and have small dick energy.\nBecause, Most people who need to project their insecurities are insulted by the size assumption.\nIt's more about the idea of insulting someone by saying they're just trying to project masculinity. This is the same reason why being in small dick energy is really used in all circles and not just as a male centered insult.\nLike buck and stud lesbians love the fuck out of that term.\nPeople with a small dick who get insulted by the general idea of small dick energy as an insult need to deal with their own insecurities.\nI'd much rather have a small dick than small dick energy.",
">\n\nIf the size is irrelevant, why associate being small with only negative traits and being big with only positive traits? You can't, and you could just say that being smaller makes you a bad person. It would be more honest. I'm sure people dealing with insecurities appreciate being associated with a human trafficker...",
">\n\nLike I said I have a small dick and would rather have a small dick than have small dick energy.\nThe whole point is that the only people who care about size are people who are easily insecure.\nIt's because they care the people making the jokes know that size doesn't matter and they're not making fun of people who have small dicks they're making fun of the people who care so much about what the size of their dick is that an influences their entire self worth.",
">\n\nThere are plenty of secure people who care about size. They are big, so they don't get made fun of. The people who make the jokes, whether they realize it or not, imply that small = bad person. It reinforces to insecure people that they are wrong for something that they have no control over and that people around them, including loved ones, would think lesser of them, because they probably would if they are making these jokes.",
">\n\nBro I'm not big and I'm pointing out that not everyone who has a small dick is insulted by the idea of small dick energy this really seems to be a you problem.",
">\n\nI'M pointing out that not everyone who is offended is a bad person, but people, like anyone defending this phrase, are just going to pretend to not understand because this is something people don't care if you make fun of, so this is just a waste of time.",
">\n\n\nNot everyone who is offended is a bad person\n\nYeah, they're just wrongly offended because they assume the intent of something from a community they are not a part of. This is happening more and more because of how the internet is working.\nIs like \"Okay Boomer\" wasn't actually about being born a boomer but about the Mindset of the generation.\nIt's the YOU and the other people offended who refuse to understand that \"Small Dick Energy\" isn't connected to you're actual dick size.",
">\n\nIf it's not connected to the dick size then why even phrase it as \"Small Dick Energy\"??\nYou're trying to alter the meaning of words to fit your narrative instead of seeing it for what it is: body shaming against men. Even in your interpretation of the phrase saying it's a mindset it's still wrong that it's equating a shitty mindset with people who have small dicks. Why is this so hard to understand?"
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Your first paragraph basically says that body shaming isn't offensive or hurtful because only people who are insecure will get hurt and offended. That's just wrong. Why? Because it's unnecessarily cruel and just pokes fun at people who are insecure and struggling with their body image. That's punching down on people and shaming them for no reason. "Small dick energy" jokes are a form of toxic masculinity and on brand with Tate but now it's legitimised by Greta who's supposed to be progressive and not hateful against people with insecurities. You see the hypocrisy and inconsistency here?
I don't want to keep repeating myself. Give the top comments a good read and you'll get it.
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"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult.",
">\n\nIt's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh.",
">\n\nHonestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV",
">\n\nPeople can make mistakes and this was one of them.. so we can all just criticize her reply fairly and move on. No need for acute mental gymnastics to defend her as this comments section is showing lmao.",
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">\n\nI don't think anyone is arguing it's not offensive. I'm pretty sure she was trying to offend insecure men. Apparently with great success.",
">\n\nShe was trying to offend men who were insecure about their body image?\nHow is that not body shaming?",
">\n\nIt is, but we playing the avoidance and rationalization game",
">\n\nbecause women invented \"small dick energy\"\nharsh, sad. but we go jim🗿",
">\n\nOP never mentioned women tho. Post is strictly about why it's offensive. Do you disagree that it's not offensive or you think it's a trivial matter to make fun of that men's mental health doesn't matter as much?",
">\n\nThe female equivalent is\n\"Loose Pussy Energy\".\nThe typical man-hate hypocrisy commonly going around is beyond obvious. And it is an attack on All men and boys not just some.",
">\n\nNot a disagreement per se, but also worth noting that it’s transphobic. Which is to say, it insults all men by reinforcing patriarchy and punching down to two groups of men.",
">\n\nShe said small dick energy. Not that he had a small dick (though, come on). She used that phrase BECAUSE it's Tate. She's not a moron.\nHe is, as evidenced by his life to this point and his two responses to Thunberg, which were epically pathetic, is a moron and didn't seem to get it, though he doesn't get a lot.",
">\n\nThis is worse than saying he has a small dick, because how would she know, and that would just be dismissed as stupid.\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\nI can't understand the mental gymnastics some people are doing to try and say this isn't body shaming.",
">\n\n\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\n\nI mean yeah -- kind of like how pussy is an insult denoting cowardice, cunt is an insult meaning basically, terrible, etc., \nShe used that on purpose. Are you making CMV every time you see someone calling someone else a pussy?",
">\n\nPussy is kind of already known to be a shitty gendered insult so it doesn't need a CMV. In this case, Greta's gendered \"having a small penis is bad\" tweet is massively amplified, reached r/all on a shitload of subs, etc. so some discussion about whether or not that is cool is warranted",
">\n\nSmall dick energy isn’t about having a small dick tho. It’s a reflection of an attitude that men who are offensive, aggressive, nasty to people are overcompensating for their insecurities. A small dick doesn’t mean you won’t be able to find a partner or that you’re any less of a man. Being a downright trash bag of a human to others, like in this instance where an internet edgelord is cyber bullying a teenager on the internet who is fighting for the survival of our planet/humanity is an example of this trash behavior, is more of a determining factor. \nYou can also have a small dick but have big dick energy, as it’s reflective of who you are as a person. It’s an attitude. It’s who you choose to be to yourself and others. Hell, there’s women who use the term that they have big dick energy and I can tell you those women’s dicks are none existent so therefore size isn’t a thing. \nNo one should be made fun of for something they had no control over. The worth of a man is not tied to the size of his penis. Although, toxic masculinity and shallow people will tell you different. They say the same for disabled people, fat people etc. There’s plenty of people who are not “conventional standards of beauty” which is the majority of us, that lead happy, healthy relationships. Those relationships start with yourself and understanding your worth as a person isn’t tied to what you look like or how big your junk is. \nThe point is if you choose to be a trash person like Tate, where your self worth is tied into how cruel/offensive you can be to other people, don’t be mad if people call you out for that trashy attitude. Your post definitely reeks of “men are the true victims” when clearly you didn’t seem to have a problem with a grown man cyber bullying a teenager.",
">\n\nI like how you imply that OP is a fan of a literal human trafficker because they point out that a body-shaming insult is body-shaming. Do you understand why associating a trait of someone's body with negative personality traits is bad?",
">\n\nNo because people like this always have exceptions that allow them to use the things they complain about. Cognitive gymnastics allows them to recognise shaming women and people of colour is bad, because society will eat them otherwise, but when someone shows up who deserves a bit of a roasting all of their social etiquette rules go out the window and the excuses come out as to why in this context it doesn't count.\n\"Ahh no, here it is a reflection of an attitude\" blah blah 3 paragraphs later and we've clouded over the simple fact that body shaming is body shaming and harms people you weren't intending to insult.",
">\n\nPeople like this? You’re assuming things about me because I am a character in your mind not a real person. I am not a monolith. We should not be body shaming people. I am explaining the other side of this issue and why people use these terms. You never asked if I use these same terms in my life. You assumed I do. I don’t. You didn’t even bother to read my response because if you did you would have realized this.",
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">\n\nYou can have smol pp but big pp energy and vice versa",
">\n\nSo why is the phrase small dick energy if it has nothing to do with having a small dick?",
">\n\nIdk man, I just work here.",
">\n\nYou know why. Lol cause small dick is associated with bad. And by insulting dicks you use this knowledge to offend, at the cost of body shaming people. \nStop feigning dumb just to avoid the reasoning lol",
">\n\nI can see how it would be offensive, and I wouldn’t use it myself. I feel like the phrase refers more to how someone acts as opposed to how they are endowed. And how it’s behavior and actions that make people think down of you not your penis.",
">\n\nPoint is that we, as a society, should encourage better insults that attack the comments of the person without necessarily having to equate it to something someone with a small dick.",
">\n\nWould you agree with me, that if Andrew clapped back with one of those that the internet would be up in arms about it?",
">\n\nYou mean the way that you are, here, on the internet, up in arms?",
">\n\nIm one person on reddit, theres no major backlash like there would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\nSee, what's happening here is that you are also looking at people who are \"one person on Reddit\" and pretending it's a major backlash. Andrew Tate says fucked up things about women all the time (in fact, it's kind of his whole schtick) and it's as much of a non-event as this is.",
">\n\nPlease link me to something fucked up hes said about women, and ill agree with you, two wrongs don't make a right.",
">\n\nHere's exhibit A.",
">\n\nSure I agree with you he has said fucked up stuff about women, it doesn't mean its okay to make a joke about small dick energy.\nDo you understand my point?",
">\n\nWe understand, it's just that your point is fucking stupid",
">\n\nYou have no idea what his point is, it's funny that people on this thread OP and others actually like Andrew Tate.\nIt proves that everyone is completely frothingly tribalistic with zero nuance.",
">\n\nIf someone is behaving insufferably, people are going to laugh at them for things that they wouldn’t find funny if it happened to someone they liked.\nFor example, is it funny when people go bankrupt? No. Would it be funny if someone like Andrew Tate went bankrupt after boasting about Bugattis and all of his mass wealth? Yes. This doesn’t mean people who would make fun of him for that are making fun of poverty or all people who lose their livelihoods, it would just be funny if it happened to that particular person. \nIn the same way, the idea that Tate does all the douchey, over the top macho things that he does in order to compensate for having a small penis is funny, whilst it not being funny to make fun of every person who has a small penis.",
">\n\nSubstitute fat. Is that ok?",
">\n\nDepends on what the fat person is doing. If the person is minding their own business then no, if the fat person is attacking other people’s appearances then yeah go for it.",
">\n\nInteresting take. Might want to play with that a bit. A lot of situations where your reasoning falls apart.",
">\n\nPeople insulted Trump for being fat when he tried to say he was like the most fit person ever. People make fun of Elon Musk's body. You can make the same type of insult to two different people and it come off two different ways. \nWhen you make your identity or argument around something it opens up certain insults and comebacks. \nTate's whole thing is trying to act like this \"alpha male\" when in reality he's a sex trafficking weirdo who pays women to hang out with him. It's totally fine to insult him with a childish insult. \nI also find that people worried or mad about this don't actually care about body image issues. They just want a gotcha moment for people. Because many would have shitty takes about fat people or whine about pc culture.",
">\n\nWhen you call some MF that doesn't necessarily mean you are a MF... I'm not saying it's okay to say abusing words but we still do use them.\nI don't think she said it in literal terms, it was completely literary. Also she only said it cause it was Tate who she said it to. Also if a woman has small tits and someone said to someone else that they have small tits energy, I don't think one who actually has small tits would mind it, cause she is not involved and it's kinda perfect way of irritating Tate.. cause he really cares about these things. \nWhen it comes to increasing the insecurity of someone who actually has small D and is insecure about it... She couldn't think so far cause all she wanted was to irritate Tate and she was successful",
">\n\nI don't think it even irritated him if that was her goal but definitely helped him with popularity. It just proves what he says people think of insecure men, it just moves them to him and he gains more influence. It was an ignorant reply in poor taste. Someone with much following and influence as Greta shouldn't be as irresponsible and the followers shouldn't be having to do mental gymnastics to defend her instead of seeing it as it is: body shaming against men.",
">\n\nIs this some kind of weird meta-game? Are Andrew Tate fans pretending to actually be offended by this stupid insult to prove a point? Does anybody actually think her retort was any sharper than a brick wrapped in a wet blanket?\nWhat is going on here?!",
">\n\n\nWhat is going on here?!\n\nAndrew Tate fans have a lot of small dick energy. That's whats going on.",
">\n\nWhy are people not allowed dislike tate (he's an absolute idiot and a grifter) and also to criticize obvious body shaming from a supposed progressive? If Biden started talking about \"N*gger energy\" criticizing Kanye for antisemitism, would that be ok in your eyes? Would you say that a black guy who doesn't like that must be an angry Kanye fan? Or is it disgustingly offensive towards all African Americans to use that type of language no matter what?",
">\n\nBecause it suits their narrative to frame it as if people are just defending tate. It's easier than just actually defending body shaming. Done deal.",
">\n\nI think Greta used that phrase not because she actually believes or wants to promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior, but because people like Andrew Tate believe and promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior. If Andrew Tate gets hurt because Greta says he has small dick energy, then maybe -- just maybe, with the tiniest bit of introspection -- he'll come to realize how hateful some of his language is.\nBullies like Andrew Tate don't really respond to logic or pleas for sympathy. The only way to maybe make them understand the hurt they cause is to inflict it on them, because they don't care about anyone but themselves. \nSo instead of putting the cart before the horse and blaming Greta for using an offensive phrase as an argumentative tactic, maybe blame the people who use the phrase to actually demean people.",
">\n\nCan we substitute fat instead and be justified?",
">\n\nYes people did that with Trump when he claimed to be the fittest person ever basically. If someone has a habit of insulting people a certain way or making certain claims then they open themselves up to specific insults. \nSometimes we'd find those insults not tasteful if said to other people. But I feel like most people equating this to fat insults don't actually care about fat people. A lot of people would also be like oh things are getting too pc or soft or woke when it comes to body positivity towards fat people. So for me it's hard to buy this line of reasoning as being truly valid or caring.",
">\n\nNo one said it has to be authentic caring. This sub is for exploring the intellectual arguments. Your perception of how authentic someone’s feelings towards fat people is basically irrelevant. Argue the point or don’t. Passing your authenticity test is a wierd standard to try to argue for.",
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">\n\nYes, making insults is offensive. That's the point.\nInsults that reference a body part are also offensive to people who are insecure about that body part. That's also kinda obvious.\nWhat do you want your mind changed about here? I'm unclear about what you think can be discussed about an insult meant to be insulting. Are you arguing that this insult is especially wrong in some way?\nHow is this not just you soapboxing?",
">\n\nThere's a reason as a society we don't use insults like \"retard\". This is in the same vein. You're attributing a negative thing with a man having a small penis. This is harmful as it perpetuates the stigma surrounding penis size which is outside ones control. Essentially it degrades a group of people who have nothing to do with it. OP wants to know whether or not this is reconciled. Reading the comments... It has not been. \nMaking gendered insults doesn't bother me truthfully but I can understand the frustration OP is expressing because were it to be a man making some edgy reference to a woman's lady parts being inadequate as a way to demean them then everyone would be outraged as opposed to cheering it on.",
">\n\nUsing “small dick” as an insult, or “loose pussy” isn’t really offensive unless you are insecure about the physical viability of your reproductive organs. \nBut, that doesn’t make it funny. It’s a really juvenile and uncreative way of ridiculing someone.",
">\n\nInsecure women are offended when they're fat shamed.\nIt's still body shaming.\nIt's still wrong.",
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">\n\nGuy randomly decides to flex on her by saying I HAVE CARS AND I LIKE TO GO VROOOOM. It's like when Piers decides that it's absolutely important to eat meat in front of vegans. It's not about penis size. It's just that smalldickenergy is a perfect explanation of why would someone decide to behave like this.",
">\n\nShe is 19. Maybe in a few years she will have more mature insults. It’s a lot of pressure to be put on someone so young to also say the perfect thing all the time",
">\n\nUnder nearly all circumstances, I agree with you.\nHowever, for a lot of people who have built a cult of personality around any given ideal, insults of the inoffensive type are completely commonplace. All they have to do is fend off one or two instances of this PG rated attacks, strawman them, call them snowflakes, and their following is bolstered and enhanced. Instead of having any negative effect, it becomes part of their inherent power.\nSometimes if you want to rattle a cult leader you have to hit with precision their most critical weakness and watch them implode. The fact that Tate is squirming so hard and doing everything he can to reclaim some of his dignity after Greta's clapback means that she has his number. Great isn't saying that having a small dick is bad, but knowing that Tate's entire personality is built about being an alpha male and that calling into question the size of his member will hurt him the most is what she was after. \nOf course, it wasn't classy and could be offensive to some. But as the saying goes, sometimes you have to fight fire with fire.",
">\n\nReally is he squirming? \nHe's rich he's popular and now he's gotten someone he disagrees with to repeat his ideology and platform spreading it to a wider audience. \nI'd argue he's happy for the attention and popularity that she's given to him now and enjoying the increased sales in his business as more men who feel marginalized and left out join him seeing this hypocrisy playing out. Not to mention all the political players( internationally) who were against climate action seeing all this and aligning themselves appropriately, possibly propping him up and making him something more than what he actually is- An ignorant troll. \nEngage with a troll and you only give them more power. The tweet was dumb and people should know better.\nEdit: spacing",
">\n\nI'm not commenting on whether or not his fans will like him more or if the controversy will inadvertently grant him a wider audience. \nI'm commenting that Greta knew exactly where and how to hit him the hardest. Yes, he is definitely squirming. He has scrambled out half a dozen prepubescent \"I know you are but what am I\" tweets. Then he went and made the absolute cringiest response video. He's incensed by being talked down to by Greta and is overcompensating. \nDid her tweet have any net positive effect on society? No. Did it ruffle Tate's feathers and make his blood boil? Yea. Would he have even cared if she called him a misogynistic prick? Absolutely not. He would have just told her to sit down and shut up, that misogyny is made up by inferior women blah blah blah...\nInstead, his insecurities are eating him alive.",
">\n\nWhy even respond and give him attention that he so desperately craves? And why body shame men in the process? \nIf she didn't have a better insult she could have just went on with her life instead of helping him grow. Using \"small dick energy\" as an insult means implicitly we agree that people with small penises are inferior and undesirable. That's basically what Tate is on about ( Toxic masculinity). And by laughing at her tweet we all reinforce that perception. Do you get that? \nSick of double standards and hypocrisy. At least people should have the courage to own up and acknowledge it then move on instead of doubling down and performing mental gymnastics to justify an obvious case of body shaming.\nI agree with you on one thing that the net effect on society because of this tweet exchange is negative and only serves the people who Greta and her followers hate.",
">\n\nI think you are missing what I am saying. I fully agree that it wasn't necessary nor was it the right thing for Greta to do. I also agree that it just gives him attention and was overall a useless venture other for the entertainment of Tate haters.\nOP asked why it is okay. I stated that it isn't okay but that I understand why Greta took that road rather than the suggested non-offensive approach. It is because he's immune to it. What he isn't immune to is his masculinity and ego being questioned. What is the point of the Wolf continuing to blow on the brick house? None. To get to the scared little piggies inside he needs a jackhammer. \nAnd it worked exactly how she planned it to. He was rattled and anyone who hates Tate is amused. \nNot saying it's the right thing to do, nor do I want anyone to feel ashamed of the size of their penis.",
">\n\nOk.. thanks for elaborating on that. I misunderstood your comment as a disagreement and engaged to try and change your mind but seems we share the same view.",
">\n\nYou do not know what Greta is \"fully aware\" of. She is referring to character and behaviour, why are you taking this personally? She isn't speaking to you, hasn't seen you, doesn't know you. I don't know why you are externalizing your issue like this and waving it around in public, is it our responsibility to fix this for you?\nShe was just making a tiny joke. Relax. smalldickenergy @ getalife .com is hilarious.",
">\n\nAside from everything else, it's men who started the 'big dick energy' idiocy so to then complain when someone uses their own stupidity against them...",
">\n\nYeah because men are a monolith and we all meet in a room and know each other smh.",
">\n\nThey’re saying it’s offensive to more than just Andrew Tate",
">\n\nYeah but again, ISN'T THE PURPOSE",
">\n\nWhat do you mean again? You didn’t say that before. And why does the purpose matter? You can do a bad thing without meaning to.",
">\n\nI meant to say isn't that the purpose lol mb",
">\n\nOh lol I probably should have realized that. But I think the point of the insult was to offend Andrew Tate.",
">\n\nFair. Trying to not say anything about him one way or another so I don't get downvoted to hell.",
">\n\nGreta lost that argument. She literally has like a hundred things Tate has said and done she could attack. Easy target... The one thing she chose to do is to body shame the man. It's just name calling. It's not a refutation of Tate. If anything it makes her sound stupid for her inability to come up with a refutation.",
">\n\nExactly. But people are just cheering her on and laughing along without grasping the nuance of the situation.",
">\n\nI think you are kinda missing the point. People know it offensive. The issue is that they don't care.",
">\n\nPeople used to make fun of small tits all the time. Remember the 90s? Remember the itty bitty titty committee? I don't know if that's a thing any more, but skinny women with no butts are definitely not seen as attractive. It's not fair. It's not their fault. People need to stop shaming themselves and eachother, and accept all bodies. Until then, \"small dick energy\" won't cease to be an insult. I guess the difference is people are sort of \"punching up\" since it's always been people with dicks who have the power in this world. I've never heard a dude say that another dude has \"small dick energy.\" It's always a woman saying that. Either way I think it's dumb but I get it. I've always thought \"Karen\" was a dumb insult too. Not someone's fault they were named Karen, LOL.",
">\n\nAndrew insulted her. He was asking for this insult. She was totally in the right. She wasn’t trying to shame anyone else. You’re asking for this insult too.",
">\n\nIsn't it more offensive for small pp folk, that there is a guy who base his entire existence on top of an argument that being an alpha, prime male is the most important thing in the world, and you need to be a testosterone bomb gorilla to have any kind of value. Isn't that argument disregards small dick guys in the first place?",
">\n\nAnd Greta just reinforced it with her reply. Do you see the problem now?\nEdit:replaced \"comment\" with \"reply\"",
">\n\nI believe I've already made a statement about what the problem is.",
">\n\nThen do you understand why Greta's reply is offensive and playing into Andrew Tate's hands?",
">\n\nLol this is twitter. There is no playing into each other's hands. Get outside.",
">\n\nOh look. Greta is human. Someone who spent a lot of her growing up time trying to educate people.\nIf she was in a bar and some doofus made a pass, she's just asserting herself. Age and context. Good on her.",
">\n\nIt is actually been studied. Men with small penises actually do have less energy- testosterone or something.",
">\n\nBeing offended by anything is each person's individual choice. If something is offensive to you, then simply choose to not be offended by it. It's truly that simple.",
">\n\nSo there is no such thing as hate speech?",
">\n\nNo, I didn't say that. Someone can certainly say something to someone that they hate with words that they feel will harm them mentally. That is \"hate speech\". The point I was trying to make is that we all as individuals have the choice to react to whatever someone says in whatever way we choose to react. If I feel offended by something that someone is saying, it is my choice to be offended by it.",
">\n\nI pretty much agree, but now we come to who decides. Does the person doing the talking decide whether it is hate speech? Or the person being talked at?",
">\n\nThere is no decision. The person who is talking thinks that what they are saying is not hateful, or they do. The person being talked at thinks that what the other person is saying is hateful, or they don't. The point is that it only matters if you make it matter to you. For example, if I say you are the dumbest person on earth, am I committing the crime of hate speech? Are you the dumbest person on earth? Probably not. But maybe I believe that you are. Does that make it true? If so, then it's not hate speech it's the truth...to me. If you, personally, believe that you are not the dumbest person on earth, then why would you concern yourself with what my dumbass has to say? To you, I'm the dumbest person on earth. I hope I'm getting my point across here.",
">\n\nSo we agree then? No laws regarding hate speech at all. You just ignore it and move on.",
">\n\nYes, sir.",
">\n\nYup",
">\n\nWhat if I say that I am offended that you are offended that you say \"small dick energy\" is offensive to men that are insecure about their size? Say I'm a man with a huge, massive dong. Say it's been a huge issue for me all my life. Let's say, hypothetically, that I am hugely insecure about the massive size of my dong and it's given me problems all my life. Every time I, hypothetically, go for a jog it's constantly flopping all over the place chaffing up my leg. Every time I have sex it's always this huge issue and only like half of the thing can go in before the receiver is like \"oh my god, stop, that's too much!\" Every time I receive oral sex, anything more than an inch beyond the tip causes a gag reflex. Does that sound exciting to you? Here you are bragging about your completely normal sized penis and all your normal sized penis sex and here this hypothetical person with a huge massive dong has all these issues. I can see how a hypothetical person with this debilitating issue would take offense that you take offense.",
">\n\nShe's an edgelord",
">\n\nreddit",
">\n\nSounds like a skill issue",
">\n\nDo you really get that offended? It's not like males themselves haven't sexualized females and their bodies and have said even worse and more common things about them? But we get offended over sum small? pun intended",
">\n\n“Some males have sexualized females therefore it’s fine for society to make fun of penis size.”",
">\n\nSociety? I don't see everyone (which represents society) doing it 😂 maybe you are focusing too much on negativity and that's all you see",
">\n\nSaying “small dick energy” is inherently a negative thing because it’s an insult. It also implies that there’s something bad about less endowed people because Tate is being compared to that demographic. \nWhen I say society, I mean that a decent percentage of people have “____ dick energy” built into their vocabulary to the point where the meaning of these terms is widely agreed on and it loses it’s direct connection to the penis. This doesn’t mean that the term is appropriate to use though since it originated from actual body shaming.",
">\n\nBattle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.",
">\n\nI think you should consider the situation at hand and less the use of insults as an absolute \nAndrew Tate absolutely deserves it",
">\n\nthe post its about the insult. \n\"Yeah I called this person a N... but lets focus on how bad that person is!!\"\nThe insult not only its very inflammatory (shows patriarcal estigmas,Its body shaming, reinforces toxic masculinity)\nIts also an extremely weak answer, its a groundless ad hominem. I would dare to argue the insult talks more about breta and his internalized toxic patriarcal estigmas than anything against tate.",
">\n\nGreta didn't start this. He was harassing her.",
">\n\n\"He started it\" -That's a toddler's excuse lmao",
">\n\nSo, in your opinion, Greta would have insulted him whether he had harassed her first, or not?",
">\n\nHer insulting him isn't the problem here. Its how she insulted him that's problematic.",
">\n\nWell, if he didn't want to be insulted, he could've done pretty much anything else with his time. I love the way you think people should be able to gatekeep how other people should hurt the feelings of people who are harassing them.",
">\n\nI'm not defending him or saying his feelings are hurt or that he doesn't deserve the insult. You're completely missing the point of this post and what we've been discussing. \n\"Body shaming is acceptable when it's directed at people we don't like\"- this is the hypocrisy that's being pointed out. It's not about who's better Tate or Greta but it's the bigger issue of shaming men's insecurities without any regard to their mental health. Do you get it now?",
">\n\nI think I do. It hadn't occurred to me that you might have a small penis. My apologies. Perhaps just as Greta Thurnberg travels the world as an advocate for awareness of Climate Change, you can break down the stereotype that people with small penises have energy. You should probably do as little as possible, though, since you don't want to be accused of having \"energy.\"",
">\n\nWasted my time replying after your \"he started it\" comment smh. Toddler mentality gugu gaga talk to me after you understand the issue.\nEdit: issue",
">\n\nI'm sorry about your peepee. But you have taught me not to trust stereotypes. And learning is fundamental.",
">\n\nI almost forgot. Please don't use the word toddler. It's offensive to small children.",
">\n\nFirst of all \"small dick energy\" shames the energy, not the small dick. It shames the fact to be insecure by your dick size (which is a metaphor for being insecure about your masculinity in general) and overcompensate by doing big manly stuff. It doesn't shame the fact to have a small dick.\nYou can argue that it is as bad, but it's important to understand that.",
">\n\nDon't be a cunt mate.",
">\n\nTechnically yes its body shaming but it's not that big a deal I think",
">\n\nIt has more to do with how they're acting rather than actual anatomy size.",
">\n\ncouple things: small dicks is one of the things about men that men tend to care about to an obsessive degree, that women do to a way lesser degree but pretend to, because men typically like to have a very braggadocious and obnoxious attitude about everything. this tate guy is that to the nth degree. so i mean if anyone deserves being called \"SDE\" its this tate guy \nsecond thing is that people who genuinely do have small dicks don't own that they have what they do; they lie about it. people who really do own that they have small dicks aren't made fun of for having them, because its not funny; the whole point is that you're lying about it and pretending like you're some big shot stud asshole, when you're not. if you own that you have a small dick, then ironically, you don't have \"SDE\"; you own what you have, you're not overcompensating and pretending to be something you're not. \nso if greta thunburg was to call, say, howard stern \"SDE\", a dude who owns that he has a small dick and makes fun of himself for it, then it wouldn't be funny. and howard stern even IS a braggadocious asshole. andrew tate is just wayyyyy more of one, and he pretend like he's god's gift to women. \nin general when it comes to \"oh poor men won't anybody think of the men\" i just cringe. i'm not the most liberal guy. but conservative guys just reappropriating the oppression olympics self-victimization shit and applying it to themselves is just pathetic.",
">\n\nSmall dick guy here... I always felt like guys like Howard Stern were compensating for it by self-loathing comedy. That's a big thing comedians do in general, and so to me it's always hard to say a guy truly doesn't care about it just because he's joking about it. On the other hand, maybe I'm just projecting, because I'll poke fun at my tiny pecker and not really care if someone makes fun of me for it, but it also does truly bother me a little bit when I hear things like, \"Oh that guy is an asshole, he must be mad because he has a tiny dick.\" Like... As if all us small guys are just furious that we aren't gonna win the dick-measuring contest that we let it affect our daily lives. It's a matter of extremes I think. I'm sure there's some guys with small ones that genuinely don't give a single fuck, and others who let it influence their entire lives, but I think most men with a small wang living in a society which implies that's a bad thing are going to end up somewhere in the middle of the scale.\nThe people I really feel bad for are the young people. Growing up with a small dick is a million times harder than being an adult with one. For the most part, nobody really cares if you're a grown man that's small, but when you're a teenager you feel like everybody cares. I had a really hard time wanting to pursue girls because of it, always worried about what their reaction would be, is they'd tell their girlfriends and it would get back to the other guys, etc. And that DOES happen... I remember being at the lunch table and someone saying, 'Did you hear Mike's dick is only x inches?\" and I'd be sitting there like, an inch shorter than Mike and pretending that I found it as funny as everyone else around the table. It didn't really hit me until I was much older that I probably wasn't the only one at the table doing that. Plus I always thought it was weird like, at least that was evidence \"Mike\" was getting some, why should he care if it was small? It wasn't until I got over it and had a few flings and girlfriends that I realized it made such a little difference (pun intended) than what I had built it up to in my mind.\nSo I mean... Yeah, I think some guys do truly have small dick energy, but all that means is they're insecure and I think it kind of sucks that people don't think about the feelings of people who had no part of the fight who get their feelings hurt as collateral damage, and that somehow just because of the douche the insult was leveled at we go, \"Haha you feel insecure about your body!\"\nOne thing it makes me think about that I'm guilty of is calling guys closet-cases. Yeah, I am just trying to point out they're overcompensating about things because they are ashamed of their sexuality, but I don't really take a pause and think, \"Wow, I bet that makes the people actually in the closet feel like shit.\" In some ways, I think it's even worse than just simple body shaming that as a society we're going around making fun of people for issues that could very well be deep seeded mental health issues, or could become so.",
">\n\nidk i just think that the only people being accused of having small dicks are people who are so obnoxious that it feels like they're compensating, like this guy. so sure its \"body shaming\", but a) body shaming is just something that happens that idk if we can ever really do anything about, because human beings value different body parts differently, and b) its only really shaming people because of their behavior, not their bodies. its shaming their behavior, by implying something about their bodies that would be embarrassing particularly for a person who is displaying this behavior, like tate does, because somebody that obsessed with getting chicks would probably be extremely concerned if people thought he had a small dick.",
">\n\nYeah that's the thing though, for me it really bothers me more that people think I'm going around being an asshole, driving a huge truck or otherwise trying to compensate just because my dick is small. I can also see the idea that it implies that having a small dick is bad. I mean just the idea that you can 'accuse' anyone of it implies there's something wrong with it.\nI mean, to me that's easier to hand-wave the idea that there's something wrong with it since I've had enough lived experience to know it doesn't matter. However, I feel like there's probably a lot of people out there who haven't who are still really hung up on it, particularly young people. I know I already brought up homosexuality, but it reminds me of when people use to say you shouldn't call things gay because it puts a negative connotation on homosexuality. Speaking of that, there's that phrase, \"It gets better,\" that is used to comfort/console LGTBQ youths and I think it should be applied to body-image issues too--whether that be penis size, breast size, weight, whatever. Looking back on my life, it was definitely the insecurities that negatively effected me far more than my actual size ever did. \nBut yeah I also feel like there's kind of a lot of people just trying to paint this as her being caught being a hypocrite or something, and I agree with you that I especially hate it when men frame it as some kind of, \"Oh look, see, we're oppressed too. So much for feminism!\" kind of argument.\nI guess I just see both sides of it.",
">\n\nVery well put. I honestly think you have changed some minds today. Hopefully more people stop and think before blindly defending someone they look up to.",
">\n\nI have a small dick, it's fine",
">\n\nThat's the point.",
">\n\nNo shit.",
">\n\n\"small dick energy\" isn't mocking someone for their penis size but for behaving in a way that they are compensating for insecurities and people like Tait measure their masculinity in \"I own cars\" is the epitome of trying to mask insecurities",
">\n\nI think the point about \"energy\" keeps being ignored. \nYou can have a small dick, but with thoughtfulness and confidence never have \"small dick energy\"\nYou can have a big schlong and be a needy jerkstore which gives you \"small dick energy\"\nAnd you can be like Andrew Tate and have a very small one and have \"small dick energy\" and be an absolute creepy, dumbass attention goblin.\nThe grand majority of people don't give a flip about the size of your dick. People with dicks care about the size of their own dick. It's the assumption that everyone cares as much as they do about their dick that's the real problem.",
">\n\nSo you agree the stereotype is false ..... and hurtful. If it's really an assumption as you say then people won't use \"tiny dick\" as an insult on people they don't like right? If no one really cares then there's no need to use it as an insult anyway right? Right??\nBut they do because it's socially acceptable to body shame men for some reason. Just see the tweet posts in other subs and their comments section laughing along, cheering her on and poking fun at men who have small penises and the stereotypes associated with such.",
">\n\nI don't know how old you are but like.\nSaying small dick energy actually has anything to do with the size of someone's dick is like culturally irrelevant.\nLike you can have a tiny dick and still have big dick energy and you can have a big dick and have small dick energy.\nBecause, Most people who need to project their insecurities are insulted by the size assumption.\nIt's more about the idea of insulting someone by saying they're just trying to project masculinity. This is the same reason why being in small dick energy is really used in all circles and not just as a male centered insult.\nLike buck and stud lesbians love the fuck out of that term.\nPeople with a small dick who get insulted by the general idea of small dick energy as an insult need to deal with their own insecurities.\nI'd much rather have a small dick than small dick energy.",
">\n\nIf the size is irrelevant, why associate being small with only negative traits and being big with only positive traits? You can't, and you could just say that being smaller makes you a bad person. It would be more honest. I'm sure people dealing with insecurities appreciate being associated with a human trafficker...",
">\n\nLike I said I have a small dick and would rather have a small dick than have small dick energy.\nThe whole point is that the only people who care about size are people who are easily insecure.\nIt's because they care the people making the jokes know that size doesn't matter and they're not making fun of people who have small dicks they're making fun of the people who care so much about what the size of their dick is that an influences their entire self worth.",
">\n\nThere are plenty of secure people who care about size. They are big, so they don't get made fun of. The people who make the jokes, whether they realize it or not, imply that small = bad person. It reinforces to insecure people that they are wrong for something that they have no control over and that people around them, including loved ones, would think lesser of them, because they probably would if they are making these jokes.",
">\n\nBro I'm not big and I'm pointing out that not everyone who has a small dick is insulted by the idea of small dick energy this really seems to be a you problem.",
">\n\nI'M pointing out that not everyone who is offended is a bad person, but people, like anyone defending this phrase, are just going to pretend to not understand because this is something people don't care if you make fun of, so this is just a waste of time.",
">\n\n\nNot everyone who is offended is a bad person\n\nYeah, they're just wrongly offended because they assume the intent of something from a community they are not a part of. This is happening more and more because of how the internet is working.\nIs like \"Okay Boomer\" wasn't actually about being born a boomer but about the Mindset of the generation.\nIt's the YOU and the other people offended who refuse to understand that \"Small Dick Energy\" isn't connected to you're actual dick size.",
">\n\nIf it's not connected to the dick size then why even phrase it as \"Small Dick Energy\"??\nYou're trying to alter the meaning of words to fit your narrative instead of seeing it for what it is: body shaming against men. Even in your interpretation of the phrase saying it's a mindset it's still wrong that it's equating a shitty mindset with people who have small dicks. Why is this so hard to understand?",
">\n\nBecause it's only the people who are so insecure about their dick size who would get offended by the thought of small dick energy being an insult so it's kind of like self-selecting.\nIt's like when women say I hate men if you're not a man who shitty to women you're not going to get offended by people saying that.\nWe're not making fun of people for having small dicks we're making fun of people for acting like anyone in society cares about the size of your dick."
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Doubling down on this saying that also "Big Dick Energy" it's an objectification that implicitly disqualifies men who are not allegedly big. But since it's not aimed at women it's totally irrelevant in body shaming debate: you know, fat women must be accepted and regarded as beautiful, but short men? No thanks.
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"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult.",
">\n\nIt's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh.",
">\n\nHonestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV",
">\n\nPeople can make mistakes and this was one of them.. so we can all just criticize her reply fairly and move on. No need for acute mental gymnastics to defend her as this comments section is showing lmao.",
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">\n\nI don't think anyone is arguing it's not offensive. I'm pretty sure she was trying to offend insecure men. Apparently with great success.",
">\n\nShe was trying to offend men who were insecure about their body image?\nHow is that not body shaming?",
">\n\nIt is, but we playing the avoidance and rationalization game",
">\n\nbecause women invented \"small dick energy\"\nharsh, sad. but we go jim🗿",
">\n\nOP never mentioned women tho. Post is strictly about why it's offensive. Do you disagree that it's not offensive or you think it's a trivial matter to make fun of that men's mental health doesn't matter as much?",
">\n\nThe female equivalent is\n\"Loose Pussy Energy\".\nThe typical man-hate hypocrisy commonly going around is beyond obvious. And it is an attack on All men and boys not just some.",
">\n\nNot a disagreement per se, but also worth noting that it’s transphobic. Which is to say, it insults all men by reinforcing patriarchy and punching down to two groups of men.",
">\n\nShe said small dick energy. Not that he had a small dick (though, come on). She used that phrase BECAUSE it's Tate. She's not a moron.\nHe is, as evidenced by his life to this point and his two responses to Thunberg, which were epically pathetic, is a moron and didn't seem to get it, though he doesn't get a lot.",
">\n\nThis is worse than saying he has a small dick, because how would she know, and that would just be dismissed as stupid.\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\nI can't understand the mental gymnastics some people are doing to try and say this isn't body shaming.",
">\n\n\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\n\nI mean yeah -- kind of like how pussy is an insult denoting cowardice, cunt is an insult meaning basically, terrible, etc., \nShe used that on purpose. Are you making CMV every time you see someone calling someone else a pussy?",
">\n\nPussy is kind of already known to be a shitty gendered insult so it doesn't need a CMV. In this case, Greta's gendered \"having a small penis is bad\" tweet is massively amplified, reached r/all on a shitload of subs, etc. so some discussion about whether or not that is cool is warranted",
">\n\nSmall dick energy isn’t about having a small dick tho. It’s a reflection of an attitude that men who are offensive, aggressive, nasty to people are overcompensating for their insecurities. A small dick doesn’t mean you won’t be able to find a partner or that you’re any less of a man. Being a downright trash bag of a human to others, like in this instance where an internet edgelord is cyber bullying a teenager on the internet who is fighting for the survival of our planet/humanity is an example of this trash behavior, is more of a determining factor. \nYou can also have a small dick but have big dick energy, as it’s reflective of who you are as a person. It’s an attitude. It’s who you choose to be to yourself and others. Hell, there’s women who use the term that they have big dick energy and I can tell you those women’s dicks are none existent so therefore size isn’t a thing. \nNo one should be made fun of for something they had no control over. The worth of a man is not tied to the size of his penis. Although, toxic masculinity and shallow people will tell you different. They say the same for disabled people, fat people etc. There’s plenty of people who are not “conventional standards of beauty” which is the majority of us, that lead happy, healthy relationships. Those relationships start with yourself and understanding your worth as a person isn’t tied to what you look like or how big your junk is. \nThe point is if you choose to be a trash person like Tate, where your self worth is tied into how cruel/offensive you can be to other people, don’t be mad if people call you out for that trashy attitude. Your post definitely reeks of “men are the true victims” when clearly you didn’t seem to have a problem with a grown man cyber bullying a teenager.",
">\n\nI like how you imply that OP is a fan of a literal human trafficker because they point out that a body-shaming insult is body-shaming. Do you understand why associating a trait of someone's body with negative personality traits is bad?",
">\n\nNo because people like this always have exceptions that allow them to use the things they complain about. Cognitive gymnastics allows them to recognise shaming women and people of colour is bad, because society will eat them otherwise, but when someone shows up who deserves a bit of a roasting all of their social etiquette rules go out the window and the excuses come out as to why in this context it doesn't count.\n\"Ahh no, here it is a reflection of an attitude\" blah blah 3 paragraphs later and we've clouded over the simple fact that body shaming is body shaming and harms people you weren't intending to insult.",
">\n\nPeople like this? You’re assuming things about me because I am a character in your mind not a real person. I am not a monolith. We should not be body shaming people. I am explaining the other side of this issue and why people use these terms. You never asked if I use these same terms in my life. You assumed I do. I don’t. You didn’t even bother to read my response because if you did you would have realized this.",
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">\n\nYou can have smol pp but big pp energy and vice versa",
">\n\nSo why is the phrase small dick energy if it has nothing to do with having a small dick?",
">\n\nIdk man, I just work here.",
">\n\nYou know why. Lol cause small dick is associated with bad. And by insulting dicks you use this knowledge to offend, at the cost of body shaming people. \nStop feigning dumb just to avoid the reasoning lol",
">\n\nI can see how it would be offensive, and I wouldn’t use it myself. I feel like the phrase refers more to how someone acts as opposed to how they are endowed. And how it’s behavior and actions that make people think down of you not your penis.",
">\n\nPoint is that we, as a society, should encourage better insults that attack the comments of the person without necessarily having to equate it to something someone with a small dick.",
">\n\nWould you agree with me, that if Andrew clapped back with one of those that the internet would be up in arms about it?",
">\n\nYou mean the way that you are, here, on the internet, up in arms?",
">\n\nIm one person on reddit, theres no major backlash like there would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\nSee, what's happening here is that you are also looking at people who are \"one person on Reddit\" and pretending it's a major backlash. Andrew Tate says fucked up things about women all the time (in fact, it's kind of his whole schtick) and it's as much of a non-event as this is.",
">\n\nPlease link me to something fucked up hes said about women, and ill agree with you, two wrongs don't make a right.",
">\n\nHere's exhibit A.",
">\n\nSure I agree with you he has said fucked up stuff about women, it doesn't mean its okay to make a joke about small dick energy.\nDo you understand my point?",
">\n\nWe understand, it's just that your point is fucking stupid",
">\n\nYou have no idea what his point is, it's funny that people on this thread OP and others actually like Andrew Tate.\nIt proves that everyone is completely frothingly tribalistic with zero nuance.",
">\n\nIf someone is behaving insufferably, people are going to laugh at them for things that they wouldn’t find funny if it happened to someone they liked.\nFor example, is it funny when people go bankrupt? No. Would it be funny if someone like Andrew Tate went bankrupt after boasting about Bugattis and all of his mass wealth? Yes. This doesn’t mean people who would make fun of him for that are making fun of poverty or all people who lose their livelihoods, it would just be funny if it happened to that particular person. \nIn the same way, the idea that Tate does all the douchey, over the top macho things that he does in order to compensate for having a small penis is funny, whilst it not being funny to make fun of every person who has a small penis.",
">\n\nSubstitute fat. Is that ok?",
">\n\nDepends on what the fat person is doing. If the person is minding their own business then no, if the fat person is attacking other people’s appearances then yeah go for it.",
">\n\nInteresting take. Might want to play with that a bit. A lot of situations where your reasoning falls apart.",
">\n\nPeople insulted Trump for being fat when he tried to say he was like the most fit person ever. People make fun of Elon Musk's body. You can make the same type of insult to two different people and it come off two different ways. \nWhen you make your identity or argument around something it opens up certain insults and comebacks. \nTate's whole thing is trying to act like this \"alpha male\" when in reality he's a sex trafficking weirdo who pays women to hang out with him. It's totally fine to insult him with a childish insult. \nI also find that people worried or mad about this don't actually care about body image issues. They just want a gotcha moment for people. Because many would have shitty takes about fat people or whine about pc culture.",
">\n\nWhen you call some MF that doesn't necessarily mean you are a MF... I'm not saying it's okay to say abusing words but we still do use them.\nI don't think she said it in literal terms, it was completely literary. Also she only said it cause it was Tate who she said it to. Also if a woman has small tits and someone said to someone else that they have small tits energy, I don't think one who actually has small tits would mind it, cause she is not involved and it's kinda perfect way of irritating Tate.. cause he really cares about these things. \nWhen it comes to increasing the insecurity of someone who actually has small D and is insecure about it... She couldn't think so far cause all she wanted was to irritate Tate and she was successful",
">\n\nI don't think it even irritated him if that was her goal but definitely helped him with popularity. It just proves what he says people think of insecure men, it just moves them to him and he gains more influence. It was an ignorant reply in poor taste. Someone with much following and influence as Greta shouldn't be as irresponsible and the followers shouldn't be having to do mental gymnastics to defend her instead of seeing it as it is: body shaming against men.",
">\n\nIs this some kind of weird meta-game? Are Andrew Tate fans pretending to actually be offended by this stupid insult to prove a point? Does anybody actually think her retort was any sharper than a brick wrapped in a wet blanket?\nWhat is going on here?!",
">\n\n\nWhat is going on here?!\n\nAndrew Tate fans have a lot of small dick energy. That's whats going on.",
">\n\nWhy are people not allowed dislike tate (he's an absolute idiot and a grifter) and also to criticize obvious body shaming from a supposed progressive? If Biden started talking about \"N*gger energy\" criticizing Kanye for antisemitism, would that be ok in your eyes? Would you say that a black guy who doesn't like that must be an angry Kanye fan? Or is it disgustingly offensive towards all African Americans to use that type of language no matter what?",
">\n\nBecause it suits their narrative to frame it as if people are just defending tate. It's easier than just actually defending body shaming. Done deal.",
">\n\nI think Greta used that phrase not because she actually believes or wants to promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior, but because people like Andrew Tate believe and promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior. If Andrew Tate gets hurt because Greta says he has small dick energy, then maybe -- just maybe, with the tiniest bit of introspection -- he'll come to realize how hateful some of his language is.\nBullies like Andrew Tate don't really respond to logic or pleas for sympathy. The only way to maybe make them understand the hurt they cause is to inflict it on them, because they don't care about anyone but themselves. \nSo instead of putting the cart before the horse and blaming Greta for using an offensive phrase as an argumentative tactic, maybe blame the people who use the phrase to actually demean people.",
">\n\nCan we substitute fat instead and be justified?",
">\n\nYes people did that with Trump when he claimed to be the fittest person ever basically. If someone has a habit of insulting people a certain way or making certain claims then they open themselves up to specific insults. \nSometimes we'd find those insults not tasteful if said to other people. But I feel like most people equating this to fat insults don't actually care about fat people. A lot of people would also be like oh things are getting too pc or soft or woke when it comes to body positivity towards fat people. So for me it's hard to buy this line of reasoning as being truly valid or caring.",
">\n\nNo one said it has to be authentic caring. This sub is for exploring the intellectual arguments. Your perception of how authentic someone’s feelings towards fat people is basically irrelevant. Argue the point or don’t. Passing your authenticity test is a wierd standard to try to argue for.",
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">\n\nYes, making insults is offensive. That's the point.\nInsults that reference a body part are also offensive to people who are insecure about that body part. That's also kinda obvious.\nWhat do you want your mind changed about here? I'm unclear about what you think can be discussed about an insult meant to be insulting. Are you arguing that this insult is especially wrong in some way?\nHow is this not just you soapboxing?",
">\n\nThere's a reason as a society we don't use insults like \"retard\". This is in the same vein. You're attributing a negative thing with a man having a small penis. This is harmful as it perpetuates the stigma surrounding penis size which is outside ones control. Essentially it degrades a group of people who have nothing to do with it. OP wants to know whether or not this is reconciled. Reading the comments... It has not been. \nMaking gendered insults doesn't bother me truthfully but I can understand the frustration OP is expressing because were it to be a man making some edgy reference to a woman's lady parts being inadequate as a way to demean them then everyone would be outraged as opposed to cheering it on.",
">\n\nUsing “small dick” as an insult, or “loose pussy” isn’t really offensive unless you are insecure about the physical viability of your reproductive organs. \nBut, that doesn’t make it funny. It’s a really juvenile and uncreative way of ridiculing someone.",
">\n\nInsecure women are offended when they're fat shamed.\nIt's still body shaming.\nIt's still wrong.",
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">\n\nGuy randomly decides to flex on her by saying I HAVE CARS AND I LIKE TO GO VROOOOM. It's like when Piers decides that it's absolutely important to eat meat in front of vegans. It's not about penis size. It's just that smalldickenergy is a perfect explanation of why would someone decide to behave like this.",
">\n\nShe is 19. Maybe in a few years she will have more mature insults. It’s a lot of pressure to be put on someone so young to also say the perfect thing all the time",
">\n\nUnder nearly all circumstances, I agree with you.\nHowever, for a lot of people who have built a cult of personality around any given ideal, insults of the inoffensive type are completely commonplace. All they have to do is fend off one or two instances of this PG rated attacks, strawman them, call them snowflakes, and their following is bolstered and enhanced. Instead of having any negative effect, it becomes part of their inherent power.\nSometimes if you want to rattle a cult leader you have to hit with precision their most critical weakness and watch them implode. The fact that Tate is squirming so hard and doing everything he can to reclaim some of his dignity after Greta's clapback means that she has his number. Great isn't saying that having a small dick is bad, but knowing that Tate's entire personality is built about being an alpha male and that calling into question the size of his member will hurt him the most is what she was after. \nOf course, it wasn't classy and could be offensive to some. But as the saying goes, sometimes you have to fight fire with fire.",
">\n\nReally is he squirming? \nHe's rich he's popular and now he's gotten someone he disagrees with to repeat his ideology and platform spreading it to a wider audience. \nI'd argue he's happy for the attention and popularity that she's given to him now and enjoying the increased sales in his business as more men who feel marginalized and left out join him seeing this hypocrisy playing out. Not to mention all the political players( internationally) who were against climate action seeing all this and aligning themselves appropriately, possibly propping him up and making him something more than what he actually is- An ignorant troll. \nEngage with a troll and you only give them more power. The tweet was dumb and people should know better.\nEdit: spacing",
">\n\nI'm not commenting on whether or not his fans will like him more or if the controversy will inadvertently grant him a wider audience. \nI'm commenting that Greta knew exactly where and how to hit him the hardest. Yes, he is definitely squirming. He has scrambled out half a dozen prepubescent \"I know you are but what am I\" tweets. Then he went and made the absolute cringiest response video. He's incensed by being talked down to by Greta and is overcompensating. \nDid her tweet have any net positive effect on society? No. Did it ruffle Tate's feathers and make his blood boil? Yea. Would he have even cared if she called him a misogynistic prick? Absolutely not. He would have just told her to sit down and shut up, that misogyny is made up by inferior women blah blah blah...\nInstead, his insecurities are eating him alive.",
">\n\nWhy even respond and give him attention that he so desperately craves? And why body shame men in the process? \nIf she didn't have a better insult she could have just went on with her life instead of helping him grow. Using \"small dick energy\" as an insult means implicitly we agree that people with small penises are inferior and undesirable. That's basically what Tate is on about ( Toxic masculinity). And by laughing at her tweet we all reinforce that perception. Do you get that? \nSick of double standards and hypocrisy. At least people should have the courage to own up and acknowledge it then move on instead of doubling down and performing mental gymnastics to justify an obvious case of body shaming.\nI agree with you on one thing that the net effect on society because of this tweet exchange is negative and only serves the people who Greta and her followers hate.",
">\n\nI think you are missing what I am saying. I fully agree that it wasn't necessary nor was it the right thing for Greta to do. I also agree that it just gives him attention and was overall a useless venture other for the entertainment of Tate haters.\nOP asked why it is okay. I stated that it isn't okay but that I understand why Greta took that road rather than the suggested non-offensive approach. It is because he's immune to it. What he isn't immune to is his masculinity and ego being questioned. What is the point of the Wolf continuing to blow on the brick house? None. To get to the scared little piggies inside he needs a jackhammer. \nAnd it worked exactly how she planned it to. He was rattled and anyone who hates Tate is amused. \nNot saying it's the right thing to do, nor do I want anyone to feel ashamed of the size of their penis.",
">\n\nOk.. thanks for elaborating on that. I misunderstood your comment as a disagreement and engaged to try and change your mind but seems we share the same view.",
">\n\nYou do not know what Greta is \"fully aware\" of. She is referring to character and behaviour, why are you taking this personally? She isn't speaking to you, hasn't seen you, doesn't know you. I don't know why you are externalizing your issue like this and waving it around in public, is it our responsibility to fix this for you?\nShe was just making a tiny joke. Relax. smalldickenergy @ getalife .com is hilarious.",
">\n\nAside from everything else, it's men who started the 'big dick energy' idiocy so to then complain when someone uses their own stupidity against them...",
">\n\nYeah because men are a monolith and we all meet in a room and know each other smh.",
">\n\nThey’re saying it’s offensive to more than just Andrew Tate",
">\n\nYeah but again, ISN'T THE PURPOSE",
">\n\nWhat do you mean again? You didn’t say that before. And why does the purpose matter? You can do a bad thing without meaning to.",
">\n\nI meant to say isn't that the purpose lol mb",
">\n\nOh lol I probably should have realized that. But I think the point of the insult was to offend Andrew Tate.",
">\n\nFair. Trying to not say anything about him one way or another so I don't get downvoted to hell.",
">\n\nGreta lost that argument. She literally has like a hundred things Tate has said and done she could attack. Easy target... The one thing she chose to do is to body shame the man. It's just name calling. It's not a refutation of Tate. If anything it makes her sound stupid for her inability to come up with a refutation.",
">\n\nExactly. But people are just cheering her on and laughing along without grasping the nuance of the situation.",
">\n\nI think you are kinda missing the point. People know it offensive. The issue is that they don't care.",
">\n\nPeople used to make fun of small tits all the time. Remember the 90s? Remember the itty bitty titty committee? I don't know if that's a thing any more, but skinny women with no butts are definitely not seen as attractive. It's not fair. It's not their fault. People need to stop shaming themselves and eachother, and accept all bodies. Until then, \"small dick energy\" won't cease to be an insult. I guess the difference is people are sort of \"punching up\" since it's always been people with dicks who have the power in this world. I've never heard a dude say that another dude has \"small dick energy.\" It's always a woman saying that. Either way I think it's dumb but I get it. I've always thought \"Karen\" was a dumb insult too. Not someone's fault they were named Karen, LOL.",
">\n\nAndrew insulted her. He was asking for this insult. She was totally in the right. She wasn’t trying to shame anyone else. You’re asking for this insult too.",
">\n\nIsn't it more offensive for small pp folk, that there is a guy who base his entire existence on top of an argument that being an alpha, prime male is the most important thing in the world, and you need to be a testosterone bomb gorilla to have any kind of value. Isn't that argument disregards small dick guys in the first place?",
">\n\nAnd Greta just reinforced it with her reply. Do you see the problem now?\nEdit:replaced \"comment\" with \"reply\"",
">\n\nI believe I've already made a statement about what the problem is.",
">\n\nThen do you understand why Greta's reply is offensive and playing into Andrew Tate's hands?",
">\n\nLol this is twitter. There is no playing into each other's hands. Get outside.",
">\n\nOh look. Greta is human. Someone who spent a lot of her growing up time trying to educate people.\nIf she was in a bar and some doofus made a pass, she's just asserting herself. Age and context. Good on her.",
">\n\nIt is actually been studied. Men with small penises actually do have less energy- testosterone or something.",
">\n\nBeing offended by anything is each person's individual choice. If something is offensive to you, then simply choose to not be offended by it. It's truly that simple.",
">\n\nSo there is no such thing as hate speech?",
">\n\nNo, I didn't say that. Someone can certainly say something to someone that they hate with words that they feel will harm them mentally. That is \"hate speech\". The point I was trying to make is that we all as individuals have the choice to react to whatever someone says in whatever way we choose to react. If I feel offended by something that someone is saying, it is my choice to be offended by it.",
">\n\nI pretty much agree, but now we come to who decides. Does the person doing the talking decide whether it is hate speech? Or the person being talked at?",
">\n\nThere is no decision. The person who is talking thinks that what they are saying is not hateful, or they do. The person being talked at thinks that what the other person is saying is hateful, or they don't. The point is that it only matters if you make it matter to you. For example, if I say you are the dumbest person on earth, am I committing the crime of hate speech? Are you the dumbest person on earth? Probably not. But maybe I believe that you are. Does that make it true? If so, then it's not hate speech it's the truth...to me. If you, personally, believe that you are not the dumbest person on earth, then why would you concern yourself with what my dumbass has to say? To you, I'm the dumbest person on earth. I hope I'm getting my point across here.",
">\n\nSo we agree then? No laws regarding hate speech at all. You just ignore it and move on.",
">\n\nYes, sir.",
">\n\nYup",
">\n\nWhat if I say that I am offended that you are offended that you say \"small dick energy\" is offensive to men that are insecure about their size? Say I'm a man with a huge, massive dong. Say it's been a huge issue for me all my life. Let's say, hypothetically, that I am hugely insecure about the massive size of my dong and it's given me problems all my life. Every time I, hypothetically, go for a jog it's constantly flopping all over the place chaffing up my leg. Every time I have sex it's always this huge issue and only like half of the thing can go in before the receiver is like \"oh my god, stop, that's too much!\" Every time I receive oral sex, anything more than an inch beyond the tip causes a gag reflex. Does that sound exciting to you? Here you are bragging about your completely normal sized penis and all your normal sized penis sex and here this hypothetical person with a huge massive dong has all these issues. I can see how a hypothetical person with this debilitating issue would take offense that you take offense.",
">\n\nShe's an edgelord",
">\n\nreddit",
">\n\nSounds like a skill issue",
">\n\nDo you really get that offended? It's not like males themselves haven't sexualized females and their bodies and have said even worse and more common things about them? But we get offended over sum small? pun intended",
">\n\n“Some males have sexualized females therefore it’s fine for society to make fun of penis size.”",
">\n\nSociety? I don't see everyone (which represents society) doing it 😂 maybe you are focusing too much on negativity and that's all you see",
">\n\nSaying “small dick energy” is inherently a negative thing because it’s an insult. It also implies that there’s something bad about less endowed people because Tate is being compared to that demographic. \nWhen I say society, I mean that a decent percentage of people have “____ dick energy” built into their vocabulary to the point where the meaning of these terms is widely agreed on and it loses it’s direct connection to the penis. This doesn’t mean that the term is appropriate to use though since it originated from actual body shaming.",
">\n\nBattle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.",
">\n\nI think you should consider the situation at hand and less the use of insults as an absolute \nAndrew Tate absolutely deserves it",
">\n\nthe post its about the insult. \n\"Yeah I called this person a N... but lets focus on how bad that person is!!\"\nThe insult not only its very inflammatory (shows patriarcal estigmas,Its body shaming, reinforces toxic masculinity)\nIts also an extremely weak answer, its a groundless ad hominem. I would dare to argue the insult talks more about breta and his internalized toxic patriarcal estigmas than anything against tate.",
">\n\nGreta didn't start this. He was harassing her.",
">\n\n\"He started it\" -That's a toddler's excuse lmao",
">\n\nSo, in your opinion, Greta would have insulted him whether he had harassed her first, or not?",
">\n\nHer insulting him isn't the problem here. Its how she insulted him that's problematic.",
">\n\nWell, if he didn't want to be insulted, he could've done pretty much anything else with his time. I love the way you think people should be able to gatekeep how other people should hurt the feelings of people who are harassing them.",
">\n\nI'm not defending him or saying his feelings are hurt or that he doesn't deserve the insult. You're completely missing the point of this post and what we've been discussing. \n\"Body shaming is acceptable when it's directed at people we don't like\"- this is the hypocrisy that's being pointed out. It's not about who's better Tate or Greta but it's the bigger issue of shaming men's insecurities without any regard to their mental health. Do you get it now?",
">\n\nI think I do. It hadn't occurred to me that you might have a small penis. My apologies. Perhaps just as Greta Thurnberg travels the world as an advocate for awareness of Climate Change, you can break down the stereotype that people with small penises have energy. You should probably do as little as possible, though, since you don't want to be accused of having \"energy.\"",
">\n\nWasted my time replying after your \"he started it\" comment smh. Toddler mentality gugu gaga talk to me after you understand the issue.\nEdit: issue",
">\n\nI'm sorry about your peepee. But you have taught me not to trust stereotypes. And learning is fundamental.",
">\n\nI almost forgot. Please don't use the word toddler. It's offensive to small children.",
">\n\nFirst of all \"small dick energy\" shames the energy, not the small dick. It shames the fact to be insecure by your dick size (which is a metaphor for being insecure about your masculinity in general) and overcompensate by doing big manly stuff. It doesn't shame the fact to have a small dick.\nYou can argue that it is as bad, but it's important to understand that.",
">\n\nDon't be a cunt mate.",
">\n\nTechnically yes its body shaming but it's not that big a deal I think",
">\n\nIt has more to do with how they're acting rather than actual anatomy size.",
">\n\ncouple things: small dicks is one of the things about men that men tend to care about to an obsessive degree, that women do to a way lesser degree but pretend to, because men typically like to have a very braggadocious and obnoxious attitude about everything. this tate guy is that to the nth degree. so i mean if anyone deserves being called \"SDE\" its this tate guy \nsecond thing is that people who genuinely do have small dicks don't own that they have what they do; they lie about it. people who really do own that they have small dicks aren't made fun of for having them, because its not funny; the whole point is that you're lying about it and pretending like you're some big shot stud asshole, when you're not. if you own that you have a small dick, then ironically, you don't have \"SDE\"; you own what you have, you're not overcompensating and pretending to be something you're not. \nso if greta thunburg was to call, say, howard stern \"SDE\", a dude who owns that he has a small dick and makes fun of himself for it, then it wouldn't be funny. and howard stern even IS a braggadocious asshole. andrew tate is just wayyyyy more of one, and he pretend like he's god's gift to women. \nin general when it comes to \"oh poor men won't anybody think of the men\" i just cringe. i'm not the most liberal guy. but conservative guys just reappropriating the oppression olympics self-victimization shit and applying it to themselves is just pathetic.",
">\n\nSmall dick guy here... I always felt like guys like Howard Stern were compensating for it by self-loathing comedy. That's a big thing comedians do in general, and so to me it's always hard to say a guy truly doesn't care about it just because he's joking about it. On the other hand, maybe I'm just projecting, because I'll poke fun at my tiny pecker and not really care if someone makes fun of me for it, but it also does truly bother me a little bit when I hear things like, \"Oh that guy is an asshole, he must be mad because he has a tiny dick.\" Like... As if all us small guys are just furious that we aren't gonna win the dick-measuring contest that we let it affect our daily lives. It's a matter of extremes I think. I'm sure there's some guys with small ones that genuinely don't give a single fuck, and others who let it influence their entire lives, but I think most men with a small wang living in a society which implies that's a bad thing are going to end up somewhere in the middle of the scale.\nThe people I really feel bad for are the young people. Growing up with a small dick is a million times harder than being an adult with one. For the most part, nobody really cares if you're a grown man that's small, but when you're a teenager you feel like everybody cares. I had a really hard time wanting to pursue girls because of it, always worried about what their reaction would be, is they'd tell their girlfriends and it would get back to the other guys, etc. And that DOES happen... I remember being at the lunch table and someone saying, 'Did you hear Mike's dick is only x inches?\" and I'd be sitting there like, an inch shorter than Mike and pretending that I found it as funny as everyone else around the table. It didn't really hit me until I was much older that I probably wasn't the only one at the table doing that. Plus I always thought it was weird like, at least that was evidence \"Mike\" was getting some, why should he care if it was small? It wasn't until I got over it and had a few flings and girlfriends that I realized it made such a little difference (pun intended) than what I had built it up to in my mind.\nSo I mean... Yeah, I think some guys do truly have small dick energy, but all that means is they're insecure and I think it kind of sucks that people don't think about the feelings of people who had no part of the fight who get their feelings hurt as collateral damage, and that somehow just because of the douche the insult was leveled at we go, \"Haha you feel insecure about your body!\"\nOne thing it makes me think about that I'm guilty of is calling guys closet-cases. Yeah, I am just trying to point out they're overcompensating about things because they are ashamed of their sexuality, but I don't really take a pause and think, \"Wow, I bet that makes the people actually in the closet feel like shit.\" In some ways, I think it's even worse than just simple body shaming that as a society we're going around making fun of people for issues that could very well be deep seeded mental health issues, or could become so.",
">\n\nidk i just think that the only people being accused of having small dicks are people who are so obnoxious that it feels like they're compensating, like this guy. so sure its \"body shaming\", but a) body shaming is just something that happens that idk if we can ever really do anything about, because human beings value different body parts differently, and b) its only really shaming people because of their behavior, not their bodies. its shaming their behavior, by implying something about their bodies that would be embarrassing particularly for a person who is displaying this behavior, like tate does, because somebody that obsessed with getting chicks would probably be extremely concerned if people thought he had a small dick.",
">\n\nYeah that's the thing though, for me it really bothers me more that people think I'm going around being an asshole, driving a huge truck or otherwise trying to compensate just because my dick is small. I can also see the idea that it implies that having a small dick is bad. I mean just the idea that you can 'accuse' anyone of it implies there's something wrong with it.\nI mean, to me that's easier to hand-wave the idea that there's something wrong with it since I've had enough lived experience to know it doesn't matter. However, I feel like there's probably a lot of people out there who haven't who are still really hung up on it, particularly young people. I know I already brought up homosexuality, but it reminds me of when people use to say you shouldn't call things gay because it puts a negative connotation on homosexuality. Speaking of that, there's that phrase, \"It gets better,\" that is used to comfort/console LGTBQ youths and I think it should be applied to body-image issues too--whether that be penis size, breast size, weight, whatever. Looking back on my life, it was definitely the insecurities that negatively effected me far more than my actual size ever did. \nBut yeah I also feel like there's kind of a lot of people just trying to paint this as her being caught being a hypocrite or something, and I agree with you that I especially hate it when men frame it as some kind of, \"Oh look, see, we're oppressed too. So much for feminism!\" kind of argument.\nI guess I just see both sides of it.",
">\n\nVery well put. I honestly think you have changed some minds today. Hopefully more people stop and think before blindly defending someone they look up to.",
">\n\nI have a small dick, it's fine",
">\n\nThat's the point.",
">\n\nNo shit.",
">\n\n\"small dick energy\" isn't mocking someone for their penis size but for behaving in a way that they are compensating for insecurities and people like Tait measure their masculinity in \"I own cars\" is the epitome of trying to mask insecurities",
">\n\nI think the point about \"energy\" keeps being ignored. \nYou can have a small dick, but with thoughtfulness and confidence never have \"small dick energy\"\nYou can have a big schlong and be a needy jerkstore which gives you \"small dick energy\"\nAnd you can be like Andrew Tate and have a very small one and have \"small dick energy\" and be an absolute creepy, dumbass attention goblin.\nThe grand majority of people don't give a flip about the size of your dick. People with dicks care about the size of their own dick. It's the assumption that everyone cares as much as they do about their dick that's the real problem.",
">\n\nSo you agree the stereotype is false ..... and hurtful. If it's really an assumption as you say then people won't use \"tiny dick\" as an insult on people they don't like right? If no one really cares then there's no need to use it as an insult anyway right? Right??\nBut they do because it's socially acceptable to body shame men for some reason. Just see the tweet posts in other subs and their comments section laughing along, cheering her on and poking fun at men who have small penises and the stereotypes associated with such.",
">\n\nI don't know how old you are but like.\nSaying small dick energy actually has anything to do with the size of someone's dick is like culturally irrelevant.\nLike you can have a tiny dick and still have big dick energy and you can have a big dick and have small dick energy.\nBecause, Most people who need to project their insecurities are insulted by the size assumption.\nIt's more about the idea of insulting someone by saying they're just trying to project masculinity. This is the same reason why being in small dick energy is really used in all circles and not just as a male centered insult.\nLike buck and stud lesbians love the fuck out of that term.\nPeople with a small dick who get insulted by the general idea of small dick energy as an insult need to deal with their own insecurities.\nI'd much rather have a small dick than small dick energy.",
">\n\nIf the size is irrelevant, why associate being small with only negative traits and being big with only positive traits? You can't, and you could just say that being smaller makes you a bad person. It would be more honest. I'm sure people dealing with insecurities appreciate being associated with a human trafficker...",
">\n\nLike I said I have a small dick and would rather have a small dick than have small dick energy.\nThe whole point is that the only people who care about size are people who are easily insecure.\nIt's because they care the people making the jokes know that size doesn't matter and they're not making fun of people who have small dicks they're making fun of the people who care so much about what the size of their dick is that an influences their entire self worth.",
">\n\nThere are plenty of secure people who care about size. They are big, so they don't get made fun of. The people who make the jokes, whether they realize it or not, imply that small = bad person. It reinforces to insecure people that they are wrong for something that they have no control over and that people around them, including loved ones, would think lesser of them, because they probably would if they are making these jokes.",
">\n\nBro I'm not big and I'm pointing out that not everyone who has a small dick is insulted by the idea of small dick energy this really seems to be a you problem.",
">\n\nI'M pointing out that not everyone who is offended is a bad person, but people, like anyone defending this phrase, are just going to pretend to not understand because this is something people don't care if you make fun of, so this is just a waste of time.",
">\n\n\nNot everyone who is offended is a bad person\n\nYeah, they're just wrongly offended because they assume the intent of something from a community they are not a part of. This is happening more and more because of how the internet is working.\nIs like \"Okay Boomer\" wasn't actually about being born a boomer but about the Mindset of the generation.\nIt's the YOU and the other people offended who refuse to understand that \"Small Dick Energy\" isn't connected to you're actual dick size.",
">\n\nIf it's not connected to the dick size then why even phrase it as \"Small Dick Energy\"??\nYou're trying to alter the meaning of words to fit your narrative instead of seeing it for what it is: body shaming against men. Even in your interpretation of the phrase saying it's a mindset it's still wrong that it's equating a shitty mindset with people who have small dicks. Why is this so hard to understand?",
">\n\nBecause it's only the people who are so insecure about their dick size who would get offended by the thought of small dick energy being an insult so it's kind of like self-selecting.\nIt's like when women say I hate men if you're not a man who shitty to women you're not going to get offended by people saying that.\nWe're not making fun of people for having small dicks we're making fun of people for acting like anyone in society cares about the size of your dick.",
">\n\nYour first paragraph basically says that body shaming isn't offensive or hurtful because only people who are insecure will get hurt and offended. That's just wrong. Why? Because it's unnecessarily cruel and just pokes fun at people who are insecure and struggling with their body image. That's punching down on people and shaming them for no reason. \"Small dick energy\" jokes are a form of toxic masculinity and on brand with Tate but now it's legitimised by Greta who's supposed to be progressive and not hateful against people with insecurities. You see the hypocrisy and inconsistency here?\nI don't want to keep repeating myself. Give the top comments a good read and you'll get it."
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I think context is really important here. Since Andrew Tate is a one-dimensional moron who deserves to feel bad about himself, we know that he values a very surface-level perception of masculinity that is reflected by penis size.
Generally, I think making fun of small dicks is pointless, because a person's worth isn't determined by that. But if someone is loudly projecting that they think their worth is determined by that and also makes a living putting down an entire gender, it's fair game IMO.
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"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult.",
">\n\nIt's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh.",
">\n\nHonestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV",
">\n\nPeople can make mistakes and this was one of them.. so we can all just criticize her reply fairly and move on. No need for acute mental gymnastics to defend her as this comments section is showing lmao.",
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">\n\nI don't think anyone is arguing it's not offensive. I'm pretty sure she was trying to offend insecure men. Apparently with great success.",
">\n\nShe was trying to offend men who were insecure about their body image?\nHow is that not body shaming?",
">\n\nIt is, but we playing the avoidance and rationalization game",
">\n\nbecause women invented \"small dick energy\"\nharsh, sad. but we go jim🗿",
">\n\nOP never mentioned women tho. Post is strictly about why it's offensive. Do you disagree that it's not offensive or you think it's a trivial matter to make fun of that men's mental health doesn't matter as much?",
">\n\nThe female equivalent is\n\"Loose Pussy Energy\".\nThe typical man-hate hypocrisy commonly going around is beyond obvious. And it is an attack on All men and boys not just some.",
">\n\nNot a disagreement per se, but also worth noting that it’s transphobic. Which is to say, it insults all men by reinforcing patriarchy and punching down to two groups of men.",
">\n\nShe said small dick energy. Not that he had a small dick (though, come on). She used that phrase BECAUSE it's Tate. She's not a moron.\nHe is, as evidenced by his life to this point and his two responses to Thunberg, which were epically pathetic, is a moron and didn't seem to get it, though he doesn't get a lot.",
">\n\nThis is worse than saying he has a small dick, because how would she know, and that would just be dismissed as stupid.\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\nI can't understand the mental gymnastics some people are doing to try and say this isn't body shaming.",
">\n\n\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\n\nI mean yeah -- kind of like how pussy is an insult denoting cowardice, cunt is an insult meaning basically, terrible, etc., \nShe used that on purpose. Are you making CMV every time you see someone calling someone else a pussy?",
">\n\nPussy is kind of already known to be a shitty gendered insult so it doesn't need a CMV. In this case, Greta's gendered \"having a small penis is bad\" tweet is massively amplified, reached r/all on a shitload of subs, etc. so some discussion about whether or not that is cool is warranted",
">\n\nSmall dick energy isn’t about having a small dick tho. It’s a reflection of an attitude that men who are offensive, aggressive, nasty to people are overcompensating for their insecurities. A small dick doesn’t mean you won’t be able to find a partner or that you’re any less of a man. Being a downright trash bag of a human to others, like in this instance where an internet edgelord is cyber bullying a teenager on the internet who is fighting for the survival of our planet/humanity is an example of this trash behavior, is more of a determining factor. \nYou can also have a small dick but have big dick energy, as it’s reflective of who you are as a person. It’s an attitude. It’s who you choose to be to yourself and others. Hell, there’s women who use the term that they have big dick energy and I can tell you those women’s dicks are none existent so therefore size isn’t a thing. \nNo one should be made fun of for something they had no control over. The worth of a man is not tied to the size of his penis. Although, toxic masculinity and shallow people will tell you different. They say the same for disabled people, fat people etc. There’s plenty of people who are not “conventional standards of beauty” which is the majority of us, that lead happy, healthy relationships. Those relationships start with yourself and understanding your worth as a person isn’t tied to what you look like or how big your junk is. \nThe point is if you choose to be a trash person like Tate, where your self worth is tied into how cruel/offensive you can be to other people, don’t be mad if people call you out for that trashy attitude. Your post definitely reeks of “men are the true victims” when clearly you didn’t seem to have a problem with a grown man cyber bullying a teenager.",
">\n\nI like how you imply that OP is a fan of a literal human trafficker because they point out that a body-shaming insult is body-shaming. Do you understand why associating a trait of someone's body with negative personality traits is bad?",
">\n\nNo because people like this always have exceptions that allow them to use the things they complain about. Cognitive gymnastics allows them to recognise shaming women and people of colour is bad, because society will eat them otherwise, but when someone shows up who deserves a bit of a roasting all of their social etiquette rules go out the window and the excuses come out as to why in this context it doesn't count.\n\"Ahh no, here it is a reflection of an attitude\" blah blah 3 paragraphs later and we've clouded over the simple fact that body shaming is body shaming and harms people you weren't intending to insult.",
">\n\nPeople like this? You’re assuming things about me because I am a character in your mind not a real person. I am not a monolith. We should not be body shaming people. I am explaining the other side of this issue and why people use these terms. You never asked if I use these same terms in my life. You assumed I do. I don’t. You didn’t even bother to read my response because if you did you would have realized this.",
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">\n\nYou can have smol pp but big pp energy and vice versa",
">\n\nSo why is the phrase small dick energy if it has nothing to do with having a small dick?",
">\n\nIdk man, I just work here.",
">\n\nYou know why. Lol cause small dick is associated with bad. And by insulting dicks you use this knowledge to offend, at the cost of body shaming people. \nStop feigning dumb just to avoid the reasoning lol",
">\n\nI can see how it would be offensive, and I wouldn’t use it myself. I feel like the phrase refers more to how someone acts as opposed to how they are endowed. And how it’s behavior and actions that make people think down of you not your penis.",
">\n\nPoint is that we, as a society, should encourage better insults that attack the comments of the person without necessarily having to equate it to something someone with a small dick.",
">\n\nWould you agree with me, that if Andrew clapped back with one of those that the internet would be up in arms about it?",
">\n\nYou mean the way that you are, here, on the internet, up in arms?",
">\n\nIm one person on reddit, theres no major backlash like there would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\nSee, what's happening here is that you are also looking at people who are \"one person on Reddit\" and pretending it's a major backlash. Andrew Tate says fucked up things about women all the time (in fact, it's kind of his whole schtick) and it's as much of a non-event as this is.",
">\n\nPlease link me to something fucked up hes said about women, and ill agree with you, two wrongs don't make a right.",
">\n\nHere's exhibit A.",
">\n\nSure I agree with you he has said fucked up stuff about women, it doesn't mean its okay to make a joke about small dick energy.\nDo you understand my point?",
">\n\nWe understand, it's just that your point is fucking stupid",
">\n\nYou have no idea what his point is, it's funny that people on this thread OP and others actually like Andrew Tate.\nIt proves that everyone is completely frothingly tribalistic with zero nuance.",
">\n\nIf someone is behaving insufferably, people are going to laugh at them for things that they wouldn’t find funny if it happened to someone they liked.\nFor example, is it funny when people go bankrupt? No. Would it be funny if someone like Andrew Tate went bankrupt after boasting about Bugattis and all of his mass wealth? Yes. This doesn’t mean people who would make fun of him for that are making fun of poverty or all people who lose their livelihoods, it would just be funny if it happened to that particular person. \nIn the same way, the idea that Tate does all the douchey, over the top macho things that he does in order to compensate for having a small penis is funny, whilst it not being funny to make fun of every person who has a small penis.",
">\n\nSubstitute fat. Is that ok?",
">\n\nDepends on what the fat person is doing. If the person is minding their own business then no, if the fat person is attacking other people’s appearances then yeah go for it.",
">\n\nInteresting take. Might want to play with that a bit. A lot of situations where your reasoning falls apart.",
">\n\nPeople insulted Trump for being fat when he tried to say he was like the most fit person ever. People make fun of Elon Musk's body. You can make the same type of insult to two different people and it come off two different ways. \nWhen you make your identity or argument around something it opens up certain insults and comebacks. \nTate's whole thing is trying to act like this \"alpha male\" when in reality he's a sex trafficking weirdo who pays women to hang out with him. It's totally fine to insult him with a childish insult. \nI also find that people worried or mad about this don't actually care about body image issues. They just want a gotcha moment for people. Because many would have shitty takes about fat people or whine about pc culture.",
">\n\nWhen you call some MF that doesn't necessarily mean you are a MF... I'm not saying it's okay to say abusing words but we still do use them.\nI don't think she said it in literal terms, it was completely literary. Also she only said it cause it was Tate who she said it to. Also if a woman has small tits and someone said to someone else that they have small tits energy, I don't think one who actually has small tits would mind it, cause she is not involved and it's kinda perfect way of irritating Tate.. cause he really cares about these things. \nWhen it comes to increasing the insecurity of someone who actually has small D and is insecure about it... She couldn't think so far cause all she wanted was to irritate Tate and she was successful",
">\n\nI don't think it even irritated him if that was her goal but definitely helped him with popularity. It just proves what he says people think of insecure men, it just moves them to him and he gains more influence. It was an ignorant reply in poor taste. Someone with much following and influence as Greta shouldn't be as irresponsible and the followers shouldn't be having to do mental gymnastics to defend her instead of seeing it as it is: body shaming against men.",
">\n\nIs this some kind of weird meta-game? Are Andrew Tate fans pretending to actually be offended by this stupid insult to prove a point? Does anybody actually think her retort was any sharper than a brick wrapped in a wet blanket?\nWhat is going on here?!",
">\n\n\nWhat is going on here?!\n\nAndrew Tate fans have a lot of small dick energy. That's whats going on.",
">\n\nWhy are people not allowed dislike tate (he's an absolute idiot and a grifter) and also to criticize obvious body shaming from a supposed progressive? If Biden started talking about \"N*gger energy\" criticizing Kanye for antisemitism, would that be ok in your eyes? Would you say that a black guy who doesn't like that must be an angry Kanye fan? Or is it disgustingly offensive towards all African Americans to use that type of language no matter what?",
">\n\nBecause it suits their narrative to frame it as if people are just defending tate. It's easier than just actually defending body shaming. Done deal.",
">\n\nI think Greta used that phrase not because she actually believes or wants to promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior, but because people like Andrew Tate believe and promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior. If Andrew Tate gets hurt because Greta says he has small dick energy, then maybe -- just maybe, with the tiniest bit of introspection -- he'll come to realize how hateful some of his language is.\nBullies like Andrew Tate don't really respond to logic or pleas for sympathy. The only way to maybe make them understand the hurt they cause is to inflict it on them, because they don't care about anyone but themselves. \nSo instead of putting the cart before the horse and blaming Greta for using an offensive phrase as an argumentative tactic, maybe blame the people who use the phrase to actually demean people.",
">\n\nCan we substitute fat instead and be justified?",
">\n\nYes people did that with Trump when he claimed to be the fittest person ever basically. If someone has a habit of insulting people a certain way or making certain claims then they open themselves up to specific insults. \nSometimes we'd find those insults not tasteful if said to other people. But I feel like most people equating this to fat insults don't actually care about fat people. A lot of people would also be like oh things are getting too pc or soft or woke when it comes to body positivity towards fat people. So for me it's hard to buy this line of reasoning as being truly valid or caring.",
">\n\nNo one said it has to be authentic caring. This sub is for exploring the intellectual arguments. Your perception of how authentic someone’s feelings towards fat people is basically irrelevant. Argue the point or don’t. Passing your authenticity test is a wierd standard to try to argue for.",
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">\n\nYes, making insults is offensive. That's the point.\nInsults that reference a body part are also offensive to people who are insecure about that body part. That's also kinda obvious.\nWhat do you want your mind changed about here? I'm unclear about what you think can be discussed about an insult meant to be insulting. Are you arguing that this insult is especially wrong in some way?\nHow is this not just you soapboxing?",
">\n\nThere's a reason as a society we don't use insults like \"retard\". This is in the same vein. You're attributing a negative thing with a man having a small penis. This is harmful as it perpetuates the stigma surrounding penis size which is outside ones control. Essentially it degrades a group of people who have nothing to do with it. OP wants to know whether or not this is reconciled. Reading the comments... It has not been. \nMaking gendered insults doesn't bother me truthfully but I can understand the frustration OP is expressing because were it to be a man making some edgy reference to a woman's lady parts being inadequate as a way to demean them then everyone would be outraged as opposed to cheering it on.",
">\n\nUsing “small dick” as an insult, or “loose pussy” isn’t really offensive unless you are insecure about the physical viability of your reproductive organs. \nBut, that doesn’t make it funny. It’s a really juvenile and uncreative way of ridiculing someone.",
">\n\nInsecure women are offended when they're fat shamed.\nIt's still body shaming.\nIt's still wrong.",
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">\n\nGuy randomly decides to flex on her by saying I HAVE CARS AND I LIKE TO GO VROOOOM. It's like when Piers decides that it's absolutely important to eat meat in front of vegans. It's not about penis size. It's just that smalldickenergy is a perfect explanation of why would someone decide to behave like this.",
">\n\nShe is 19. Maybe in a few years she will have more mature insults. It’s a lot of pressure to be put on someone so young to also say the perfect thing all the time",
">\n\nUnder nearly all circumstances, I agree with you.\nHowever, for a lot of people who have built a cult of personality around any given ideal, insults of the inoffensive type are completely commonplace. All they have to do is fend off one or two instances of this PG rated attacks, strawman them, call them snowflakes, and their following is bolstered and enhanced. Instead of having any negative effect, it becomes part of their inherent power.\nSometimes if you want to rattle a cult leader you have to hit with precision their most critical weakness and watch them implode. The fact that Tate is squirming so hard and doing everything he can to reclaim some of his dignity after Greta's clapback means that she has his number. Great isn't saying that having a small dick is bad, but knowing that Tate's entire personality is built about being an alpha male and that calling into question the size of his member will hurt him the most is what she was after. \nOf course, it wasn't classy and could be offensive to some. But as the saying goes, sometimes you have to fight fire with fire.",
">\n\nReally is he squirming? \nHe's rich he's popular and now he's gotten someone he disagrees with to repeat his ideology and platform spreading it to a wider audience. \nI'd argue he's happy for the attention and popularity that she's given to him now and enjoying the increased sales in his business as more men who feel marginalized and left out join him seeing this hypocrisy playing out. Not to mention all the political players( internationally) who were against climate action seeing all this and aligning themselves appropriately, possibly propping him up and making him something more than what he actually is- An ignorant troll. \nEngage with a troll and you only give them more power. The tweet was dumb and people should know better.\nEdit: spacing",
">\n\nI'm not commenting on whether or not his fans will like him more or if the controversy will inadvertently grant him a wider audience. \nI'm commenting that Greta knew exactly where and how to hit him the hardest. Yes, he is definitely squirming. He has scrambled out half a dozen prepubescent \"I know you are but what am I\" tweets. Then he went and made the absolute cringiest response video. He's incensed by being talked down to by Greta and is overcompensating. \nDid her tweet have any net positive effect on society? No. Did it ruffle Tate's feathers and make his blood boil? Yea. Would he have even cared if she called him a misogynistic prick? Absolutely not. He would have just told her to sit down and shut up, that misogyny is made up by inferior women blah blah blah...\nInstead, his insecurities are eating him alive.",
">\n\nWhy even respond and give him attention that he so desperately craves? And why body shame men in the process? \nIf she didn't have a better insult she could have just went on with her life instead of helping him grow. Using \"small dick energy\" as an insult means implicitly we agree that people with small penises are inferior and undesirable. That's basically what Tate is on about ( Toxic masculinity). And by laughing at her tweet we all reinforce that perception. Do you get that? \nSick of double standards and hypocrisy. At least people should have the courage to own up and acknowledge it then move on instead of doubling down and performing mental gymnastics to justify an obvious case of body shaming.\nI agree with you on one thing that the net effect on society because of this tweet exchange is negative and only serves the people who Greta and her followers hate.",
">\n\nI think you are missing what I am saying. I fully agree that it wasn't necessary nor was it the right thing for Greta to do. I also agree that it just gives him attention and was overall a useless venture other for the entertainment of Tate haters.\nOP asked why it is okay. I stated that it isn't okay but that I understand why Greta took that road rather than the suggested non-offensive approach. It is because he's immune to it. What he isn't immune to is his masculinity and ego being questioned. What is the point of the Wolf continuing to blow on the brick house? None. To get to the scared little piggies inside he needs a jackhammer. \nAnd it worked exactly how she planned it to. He was rattled and anyone who hates Tate is amused. \nNot saying it's the right thing to do, nor do I want anyone to feel ashamed of the size of their penis.",
">\n\nOk.. thanks for elaborating on that. I misunderstood your comment as a disagreement and engaged to try and change your mind but seems we share the same view.",
">\n\nYou do not know what Greta is \"fully aware\" of. She is referring to character and behaviour, why are you taking this personally? She isn't speaking to you, hasn't seen you, doesn't know you. I don't know why you are externalizing your issue like this and waving it around in public, is it our responsibility to fix this for you?\nShe was just making a tiny joke. Relax. smalldickenergy @ getalife .com is hilarious.",
">\n\nAside from everything else, it's men who started the 'big dick energy' idiocy so to then complain when someone uses their own stupidity against them...",
">\n\nYeah because men are a monolith and we all meet in a room and know each other smh.",
">\n\nThey’re saying it’s offensive to more than just Andrew Tate",
">\n\nYeah but again, ISN'T THE PURPOSE",
">\n\nWhat do you mean again? You didn’t say that before. And why does the purpose matter? You can do a bad thing without meaning to.",
">\n\nI meant to say isn't that the purpose lol mb",
">\n\nOh lol I probably should have realized that. But I think the point of the insult was to offend Andrew Tate.",
">\n\nFair. Trying to not say anything about him one way or another so I don't get downvoted to hell.",
">\n\nGreta lost that argument. She literally has like a hundred things Tate has said and done she could attack. Easy target... The one thing she chose to do is to body shame the man. It's just name calling. It's not a refutation of Tate. If anything it makes her sound stupid for her inability to come up with a refutation.",
">\n\nExactly. But people are just cheering her on and laughing along without grasping the nuance of the situation.",
">\n\nI think you are kinda missing the point. People know it offensive. The issue is that they don't care.",
">\n\nPeople used to make fun of small tits all the time. Remember the 90s? Remember the itty bitty titty committee? I don't know if that's a thing any more, but skinny women with no butts are definitely not seen as attractive. It's not fair. It's not their fault. People need to stop shaming themselves and eachother, and accept all bodies. Until then, \"small dick energy\" won't cease to be an insult. I guess the difference is people are sort of \"punching up\" since it's always been people with dicks who have the power in this world. I've never heard a dude say that another dude has \"small dick energy.\" It's always a woman saying that. Either way I think it's dumb but I get it. I've always thought \"Karen\" was a dumb insult too. Not someone's fault they were named Karen, LOL.",
">\n\nAndrew insulted her. He was asking for this insult. She was totally in the right. She wasn’t trying to shame anyone else. You’re asking for this insult too.",
">\n\nIsn't it more offensive for small pp folk, that there is a guy who base his entire existence on top of an argument that being an alpha, prime male is the most important thing in the world, and you need to be a testosterone bomb gorilla to have any kind of value. Isn't that argument disregards small dick guys in the first place?",
">\n\nAnd Greta just reinforced it with her reply. Do you see the problem now?\nEdit:replaced \"comment\" with \"reply\"",
">\n\nI believe I've already made a statement about what the problem is.",
">\n\nThen do you understand why Greta's reply is offensive and playing into Andrew Tate's hands?",
">\n\nLol this is twitter. There is no playing into each other's hands. Get outside.",
">\n\nOh look. Greta is human. Someone who spent a lot of her growing up time trying to educate people.\nIf she was in a bar and some doofus made a pass, she's just asserting herself. Age and context. Good on her.",
">\n\nIt is actually been studied. Men with small penises actually do have less energy- testosterone or something.",
">\n\nBeing offended by anything is each person's individual choice. If something is offensive to you, then simply choose to not be offended by it. It's truly that simple.",
">\n\nSo there is no such thing as hate speech?",
">\n\nNo, I didn't say that. Someone can certainly say something to someone that they hate with words that they feel will harm them mentally. That is \"hate speech\". The point I was trying to make is that we all as individuals have the choice to react to whatever someone says in whatever way we choose to react. If I feel offended by something that someone is saying, it is my choice to be offended by it.",
">\n\nI pretty much agree, but now we come to who decides. Does the person doing the talking decide whether it is hate speech? Or the person being talked at?",
">\n\nThere is no decision. The person who is talking thinks that what they are saying is not hateful, or they do. The person being talked at thinks that what the other person is saying is hateful, or they don't. The point is that it only matters if you make it matter to you. For example, if I say you are the dumbest person on earth, am I committing the crime of hate speech? Are you the dumbest person on earth? Probably not. But maybe I believe that you are. Does that make it true? If so, then it's not hate speech it's the truth...to me. If you, personally, believe that you are not the dumbest person on earth, then why would you concern yourself with what my dumbass has to say? To you, I'm the dumbest person on earth. I hope I'm getting my point across here.",
">\n\nSo we agree then? No laws regarding hate speech at all. You just ignore it and move on.",
">\n\nYes, sir.",
">\n\nYup",
">\n\nWhat if I say that I am offended that you are offended that you say \"small dick energy\" is offensive to men that are insecure about their size? Say I'm a man with a huge, massive dong. Say it's been a huge issue for me all my life. Let's say, hypothetically, that I am hugely insecure about the massive size of my dong and it's given me problems all my life. Every time I, hypothetically, go for a jog it's constantly flopping all over the place chaffing up my leg. Every time I have sex it's always this huge issue and only like half of the thing can go in before the receiver is like \"oh my god, stop, that's too much!\" Every time I receive oral sex, anything more than an inch beyond the tip causes a gag reflex. Does that sound exciting to you? Here you are bragging about your completely normal sized penis and all your normal sized penis sex and here this hypothetical person with a huge massive dong has all these issues. I can see how a hypothetical person with this debilitating issue would take offense that you take offense.",
">\n\nShe's an edgelord",
">\n\nreddit",
">\n\nSounds like a skill issue",
">\n\nDo you really get that offended? It's not like males themselves haven't sexualized females and their bodies and have said even worse and more common things about them? But we get offended over sum small? pun intended",
">\n\n“Some males have sexualized females therefore it’s fine for society to make fun of penis size.”",
">\n\nSociety? I don't see everyone (which represents society) doing it 😂 maybe you are focusing too much on negativity and that's all you see",
">\n\nSaying “small dick energy” is inherently a negative thing because it’s an insult. It also implies that there’s something bad about less endowed people because Tate is being compared to that demographic. \nWhen I say society, I mean that a decent percentage of people have “____ dick energy” built into their vocabulary to the point where the meaning of these terms is widely agreed on and it loses it’s direct connection to the penis. This doesn’t mean that the term is appropriate to use though since it originated from actual body shaming.",
">\n\nBattle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.",
">\n\nI think you should consider the situation at hand and less the use of insults as an absolute \nAndrew Tate absolutely deserves it",
">\n\nthe post its about the insult. \n\"Yeah I called this person a N... but lets focus on how bad that person is!!\"\nThe insult not only its very inflammatory (shows patriarcal estigmas,Its body shaming, reinforces toxic masculinity)\nIts also an extremely weak answer, its a groundless ad hominem. I would dare to argue the insult talks more about breta and his internalized toxic patriarcal estigmas than anything against tate.",
">\n\nGreta didn't start this. He was harassing her.",
">\n\n\"He started it\" -That's a toddler's excuse lmao",
">\n\nSo, in your opinion, Greta would have insulted him whether he had harassed her first, or not?",
">\n\nHer insulting him isn't the problem here. Its how she insulted him that's problematic.",
">\n\nWell, if he didn't want to be insulted, he could've done pretty much anything else with his time. I love the way you think people should be able to gatekeep how other people should hurt the feelings of people who are harassing them.",
">\n\nI'm not defending him or saying his feelings are hurt or that he doesn't deserve the insult. You're completely missing the point of this post and what we've been discussing. \n\"Body shaming is acceptable when it's directed at people we don't like\"- this is the hypocrisy that's being pointed out. It's not about who's better Tate or Greta but it's the bigger issue of shaming men's insecurities without any regard to their mental health. Do you get it now?",
">\n\nI think I do. It hadn't occurred to me that you might have a small penis. My apologies. Perhaps just as Greta Thurnberg travels the world as an advocate for awareness of Climate Change, you can break down the stereotype that people with small penises have energy. You should probably do as little as possible, though, since you don't want to be accused of having \"energy.\"",
">\n\nWasted my time replying after your \"he started it\" comment smh. Toddler mentality gugu gaga talk to me after you understand the issue.\nEdit: issue",
">\n\nI'm sorry about your peepee. But you have taught me not to trust stereotypes. And learning is fundamental.",
">\n\nI almost forgot. Please don't use the word toddler. It's offensive to small children.",
">\n\nFirst of all \"small dick energy\" shames the energy, not the small dick. It shames the fact to be insecure by your dick size (which is a metaphor for being insecure about your masculinity in general) and overcompensate by doing big manly stuff. It doesn't shame the fact to have a small dick.\nYou can argue that it is as bad, but it's important to understand that.",
">\n\nDon't be a cunt mate.",
">\n\nTechnically yes its body shaming but it's not that big a deal I think",
">\n\nIt has more to do with how they're acting rather than actual anatomy size.",
">\n\ncouple things: small dicks is one of the things about men that men tend to care about to an obsessive degree, that women do to a way lesser degree but pretend to, because men typically like to have a very braggadocious and obnoxious attitude about everything. this tate guy is that to the nth degree. so i mean if anyone deserves being called \"SDE\" its this tate guy \nsecond thing is that people who genuinely do have small dicks don't own that they have what they do; they lie about it. people who really do own that they have small dicks aren't made fun of for having them, because its not funny; the whole point is that you're lying about it and pretending like you're some big shot stud asshole, when you're not. if you own that you have a small dick, then ironically, you don't have \"SDE\"; you own what you have, you're not overcompensating and pretending to be something you're not. \nso if greta thunburg was to call, say, howard stern \"SDE\", a dude who owns that he has a small dick and makes fun of himself for it, then it wouldn't be funny. and howard stern even IS a braggadocious asshole. andrew tate is just wayyyyy more of one, and he pretend like he's god's gift to women. \nin general when it comes to \"oh poor men won't anybody think of the men\" i just cringe. i'm not the most liberal guy. but conservative guys just reappropriating the oppression olympics self-victimization shit and applying it to themselves is just pathetic.",
">\n\nSmall dick guy here... I always felt like guys like Howard Stern were compensating for it by self-loathing comedy. That's a big thing comedians do in general, and so to me it's always hard to say a guy truly doesn't care about it just because he's joking about it. On the other hand, maybe I'm just projecting, because I'll poke fun at my tiny pecker and not really care if someone makes fun of me for it, but it also does truly bother me a little bit when I hear things like, \"Oh that guy is an asshole, he must be mad because he has a tiny dick.\" Like... As if all us small guys are just furious that we aren't gonna win the dick-measuring contest that we let it affect our daily lives. It's a matter of extremes I think. I'm sure there's some guys with small ones that genuinely don't give a single fuck, and others who let it influence their entire lives, but I think most men with a small wang living in a society which implies that's a bad thing are going to end up somewhere in the middle of the scale.\nThe people I really feel bad for are the young people. Growing up with a small dick is a million times harder than being an adult with one. For the most part, nobody really cares if you're a grown man that's small, but when you're a teenager you feel like everybody cares. I had a really hard time wanting to pursue girls because of it, always worried about what their reaction would be, is they'd tell their girlfriends and it would get back to the other guys, etc. And that DOES happen... I remember being at the lunch table and someone saying, 'Did you hear Mike's dick is only x inches?\" and I'd be sitting there like, an inch shorter than Mike and pretending that I found it as funny as everyone else around the table. It didn't really hit me until I was much older that I probably wasn't the only one at the table doing that. Plus I always thought it was weird like, at least that was evidence \"Mike\" was getting some, why should he care if it was small? It wasn't until I got over it and had a few flings and girlfriends that I realized it made such a little difference (pun intended) than what I had built it up to in my mind.\nSo I mean... Yeah, I think some guys do truly have small dick energy, but all that means is they're insecure and I think it kind of sucks that people don't think about the feelings of people who had no part of the fight who get their feelings hurt as collateral damage, and that somehow just because of the douche the insult was leveled at we go, \"Haha you feel insecure about your body!\"\nOne thing it makes me think about that I'm guilty of is calling guys closet-cases. Yeah, I am just trying to point out they're overcompensating about things because they are ashamed of their sexuality, but I don't really take a pause and think, \"Wow, I bet that makes the people actually in the closet feel like shit.\" In some ways, I think it's even worse than just simple body shaming that as a society we're going around making fun of people for issues that could very well be deep seeded mental health issues, or could become so.",
">\n\nidk i just think that the only people being accused of having small dicks are people who are so obnoxious that it feels like they're compensating, like this guy. so sure its \"body shaming\", but a) body shaming is just something that happens that idk if we can ever really do anything about, because human beings value different body parts differently, and b) its only really shaming people because of their behavior, not their bodies. its shaming their behavior, by implying something about their bodies that would be embarrassing particularly for a person who is displaying this behavior, like tate does, because somebody that obsessed with getting chicks would probably be extremely concerned if people thought he had a small dick.",
">\n\nYeah that's the thing though, for me it really bothers me more that people think I'm going around being an asshole, driving a huge truck or otherwise trying to compensate just because my dick is small. I can also see the idea that it implies that having a small dick is bad. I mean just the idea that you can 'accuse' anyone of it implies there's something wrong with it.\nI mean, to me that's easier to hand-wave the idea that there's something wrong with it since I've had enough lived experience to know it doesn't matter. However, I feel like there's probably a lot of people out there who haven't who are still really hung up on it, particularly young people. I know I already brought up homosexuality, but it reminds me of when people use to say you shouldn't call things gay because it puts a negative connotation on homosexuality. Speaking of that, there's that phrase, \"It gets better,\" that is used to comfort/console LGTBQ youths and I think it should be applied to body-image issues too--whether that be penis size, breast size, weight, whatever. Looking back on my life, it was definitely the insecurities that negatively effected me far more than my actual size ever did. \nBut yeah I also feel like there's kind of a lot of people just trying to paint this as her being caught being a hypocrite or something, and I agree with you that I especially hate it when men frame it as some kind of, \"Oh look, see, we're oppressed too. So much for feminism!\" kind of argument.\nI guess I just see both sides of it.",
">\n\nVery well put. I honestly think you have changed some minds today. Hopefully more people stop and think before blindly defending someone they look up to.",
">\n\nI have a small dick, it's fine",
">\n\nThat's the point.",
">\n\nNo shit.",
">\n\n\"small dick energy\" isn't mocking someone for their penis size but for behaving in a way that they are compensating for insecurities and people like Tait measure their masculinity in \"I own cars\" is the epitome of trying to mask insecurities",
">\n\nI think the point about \"energy\" keeps being ignored. \nYou can have a small dick, but with thoughtfulness and confidence never have \"small dick energy\"\nYou can have a big schlong and be a needy jerkstore which gives you \"small dick energy\"\nAnd you can be like Andrew Tate and have a very small one and have \"small dick energy\" and be an absolute creepy, dumbass attention goblin.\nThe grand majority of people don't give a flip about the size of your dick. People with dicks care about the size of their own dick. It's the assumption that everyone cares as much as they do about their dick that's the real problem.",
">\n\nSo you agree the stereotype is false ..... and hurtful. If it's really an assumption as you say then people won't use \"tiny dick\" as an insult on people they don't like right? If no one really cares then there's no need to use it as an insult anyway right? Right??\nBut they do because it's socially acceptable to body shame men for some reason. Just see the tweet posts in other subs and their comments section laughing along, cheering her on and poking fun at men who have small penises and the stereotypes associated with such.",
">\n\nI don't know how old you are but like.\nSaying small dick energy actually has anything to do with the size of someone's dick is like culturally irrelevant.\nLike you can have a tiny dick and still have big dick energy and you can have a big dick and have small dick energy.\nBecause, Most people who need to project their insecurities are insulted by the size assumption.\nIt's more about the idea of insulting someone by saying they're just trying to project masculinity. This is the same reason why being in small dick energy is really used in all circles and not just as a male centered insult.\nLike buck and stud lesbians love the fuck out of that term.\nPeople with a small dick who get insulted by the general idea of small dick energy as an insult need to deal with their own insecurities.\nI'd much rather have a small dick than small dick energy.",
">\n\nIf the size is irrelevant, why associate being small with only negative traits and being big with only positive traits? You can't, and you could just say that being smaller makes you a bad person. It would be more honest. I'm sure people dealing with insecurities appreciate being associated with a human trafficker...",
">\n\nLike I said I have a small dick and would rather have a small dick than have small dick energy.\nThe whole point is that the only people who care about size are people who are easily insecure.\nIt's because they care the people making the jokes know that size doesn't matter and they're not making fun of people who have small dicks they're making fun of the people who care so much about what the size of their dick is that an influences their entire self worth.",
">\n\nThere are plenty of secure people who care about size. They are big, so they don't get made fun of. The people who make the jokes, whether they realize it or not, imply that small = bad person. It reinforces to insecure people that they are wrong for something that they have no control over and that people around them, including loved ones, would think lesser of them, because they probably would if they are making these jokes.",
">\n\nBro I'm not big and I'm pointing out that not everyone who has a small dick is insulted by the idea of small dick energy this really seems to be a you problem.",
">\n\nI'M pointing out that not everyone who is offended is a bad person, but people, like anyone defending this phrase, are just going to pretend to not understand because this is something people don't care if you make fun of, so this is just a waste of time.",
">\n\n\nNot everyone who is offended is a bad person\n\nYeah, they're just wrongly offended because they assume the intent of something from a community they are not a part of. This is happening more and more because of how the internet is working.\nIs like \"Okay Boomer\" wasn't actually about being born a boomer but about the Mindset of the generation.\nIt's the YOU and the other people offended who refuse to understand that \"Small Dick Energy\" isn't connected to you're actual dick size.",
">\n\nIf it's not connected to the dick size then why even phrase it as \"Small Dick Energy\"??\nYou're trying to alter the meaning of words to fit your narrative instead of seeing it for what it is: body shaming against men. Even in your interpretation of the phrase saying it's a mindset it's still wrong that it's equating a shitty mindset with people who have small dicks. Why is this so hard to understand?",
">\n\nBecause it's only the people who are so insecure about their dick size who would get offended by the thought of small dick energy being an insult so it's kind of like self-selecting.\nIt's like when women say I hate men if you're not a man who shitty to women you're not going to get offended by people saying that.\nWe're not making fun of people for having small dicks we're making fun of people for acting like anyone in society cares about the size of your dick.",
">\n\nYour first paragraph basically says that body shaming isn't offensive or hurtful because only people who are insecure will get hurt and offended. That's just wrong. Why? Because it's unnecessarily cruel and just pokes fun at people who are insecure and struggling with their body image. That's punching down on people and shaming them for no reason. \"Small dick energy\" jokes are a form of toxic masculinity and on brand with Tate but now it's legitimised by Greta who's supposed to be progressive and not hateful against people with insecurities. You see the hypocrisy and inconsistency here?\nI don't want to keep repeating myself. Give the top comments a good read and you'll get it.",
">\n\nDoubling down on this saying that also \"Big Dick Energy\" it's an objectification that implicitly disqualifies men who are not allegedly big. But since it's not aimed at women it's totally irrelevant in body shaming debate: you know, fat women must be accepted and regarded as beautiful, but short men? No thanks."
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She basically proved the "moron"s point. Do you understand this?
He spews BS that masculinity is reflected by penis size ( having a small penis is shameful) and she basically goes on to insult him with that exact premise. Reinforcing the insult and body shaming people who have nothing to do with him or her. He could be vile and deserving of insults but the way he's insulted reinforces toxic masculinity, which is his entire freaking brand.
He has gained more attention and probably more followers now as men who feel left out and laughed at join his ranks making him richer and more influential than he deserves. It was a dumb reply on her part and should be criticized for such, not cheered on.
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"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult.",
">\n\nIt's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh.",
">\n\nHonestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV",
">\n\nPeople can make mistakes and this was one of them.. so we can all just criticize her reply fairly and move on. No need for acute mental gymnastics to defend her as this comments section is showing lmao.",
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">\n\nI don't think anyone is arguing it's not offensive. I'm pretty sure she was trying to offend insecure men. Apparently with great success.",
">\n\nShe was trying to offend men who were insecure about their body image?\nHow is that not body shaming?",
">\n\nIt is, but we playing the avoidance and rationalization game",
">\n\nbecause women invented \"small dick energy\"\nharsh, sad. but we go jim🗿",
">\n\nOP never mentioned women tho. Post is strictly about why it's offensive. Do you disagree that it's not offensive or you think it's a trivial matter to make fun of that men's mental health doesn't matter as much?",
">\n\nThe female equivalent is\n\"Loose Pussy Energy\".\nThe typical man-hate hypocrisy commonly going around is beyond obvious. And it is an attack on All men and boys not just some.",
">\n\nNot a disagreement per se, but also worth noting that it’s transphobic. Which is to say, it insults all men by reinforcing patriarchy and punching down to two groups of men.",
">\n\nShe said small dick energy. Not that he had a small dick (though, come on). She used that phrase BECAUSE it's Tate. She's not a moron.\nHe is, as evidenced by his life to this point and his two responses to Thunberg, which were epically pathetic, is a moron and didn't seem to get it, though he doesn't get a lot.",
">\n\nThis is worse than saying he has a small dick, because how would she know, and that would just be dismissed as stupid.\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\nI can't understand the mental gymnastics some people are doing to try and say this isn't body shaming.",
">\n\n\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\n\nI mean yeah -- kind of like how pussy is an insult denoting cowardice, cunt is an insult meaning basically, terrible, etc., \nShe used that on purpose. Are you making CMV every time you see someone calling someone else a pussy?",
">\n\nPussy is kind of already known to be a shitty gendered insult so it doesn't need a CMV. In this case, Greta's gendered \"having a small penis is bad\" tweet is massively amplified, reached r/all on a shitload of subs, etc. so some discussion about whether or not that is cool is warranted",
">\n\nSmall dick energy isn’t about having a small dick tho. It’s a reflection of an attitude that men who are offensive, aggressive, nasty to people are overcompensating for their insecurities. A small dick doesn’t mean you won’t be able to find a partner or that you’re any less of a man. Being a downright trash bag of a human to others, like in this instance where an internet edgelord is cyber bullying a teenager on the internet who is fighting for the survival of our planet/humanity is an example of this trash behavior, is more of a determining factor. \nYou can also have a small dick but have big dick energy, as it’s reflective of who you are as a person. It’s an attitude. It’s who you choose to be to yourself and others. Hell, there’s women who use the term that they have big dick energy and I can tell you those women’s dicks are none existent so therefore size isn’t a thing. \nNo one should be made fun of for something they had no control over. The worth of a man is not tied to the size of his penis. Although, toxic masculinity and shallow people will tell you different. They say the same for disabled people, fat people etc. There’s plenty of people who are not “conventional standards of beauty” which is the majority of us, that lead happy, healthy relationships. Those relationships start with yourself and understanding your worth as a person isn’t tied to what you look like or how big your junk is. \nThe point is if you choose to be a trash person like Tate, where your self worth is tied into how cruel/offensive you can be to other people, don’t be mad if people call you out for that trashy attitude. Your post definitely reeks of “men are the true victims” when clearly you didn’t seem to have a problem with a grown man cyber bullying a teenager.",
">\n\nI like how you imply that OP is a fan of a literal human trafficker because they point out that a body-shaming insult is body-shaming. Do you understand why associating a trait of someone's body with negative personality traits is bad?",
">\n\nNo because people like this always have exceptions that allow them to use the things they complain about. Cognitive gymnastics allows them to recognise shaming women and people of colour is bad, because society will eat them otherwise, but when someone shows up who deserves a bit of a roasting all of their social etiquette rules go out the window and the excuses come out as to why in this context it doesn't count.\n\"Ahh no, here it is a reflection of an attitude\" blah blah 3 paragraphs later and we've clouded over the simple fact that body shaming is body shaming and harms people you weren't intending to insult.",
">\n\nPeople like this? You’re assuming things about me because I am a character in your mind not a real person. I am not a monolith. We should not be body shaming people. I am explaining the other side of this issue and why people use these terms. You never asked if I use these same terms in my life. You assumed I do. I don’t. You didn’t even bother to read my response because if you did you would have realized this.",
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">\n\nYou can have smol pp but big pp energy and vice versa",
">\n\nSo why is the phrase small dick energy if it has nothing to do with having a small dick?",
">\n\nIdk man, I just work here.",
">\n\nYou know why. Lol cause small dick is associated with bad. And by insulting dicks you use this knowledge to offend, at the cost of body shaming people. \nStop feigning dumb just to avoid the reasoning lol",
">\n\nI can see how it would be offensive, and I wouldn’t use it myself. I feel like the phrase refers more to how someone acts as opposed to how they are endowed. And how it’s behavior and actions that make people think down of you not your penis.",
">\n\nPoint is that we, as a society, should encourage better insults that attack the comments of the person without necessarily having to equate it to something someone with a small dick.",
">\n\nWould you agree with me, that if Andrew clapped back with one of those that the internet would be up in arms about it?",
">\n\nYou mean the way that you are, here, on the internet, up in arms?",
">\n\nIm one person on reddit, theres no major backlash like there would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\nSee, what's happening here is that you are also looking at people who are \"one person on Reddit\" and pretending it's a major backlash. Andrew Tate says fucked up things about women all the time (in fact, it's kind of his whole schtick) and it's as much of a non-event as this is.",
">\n\nPlease link me to something fucked up hes said about women, and ill agree with you, two wrongs don't make a right.",
">\n\nHere's exhibit A.",
">\n\nSure I agree with you he has said fucked up stuff about women, it doesn't mean its okay to make a joke about small dick energy.\nDo you understand my point?",
">\n\nWe understand, it's just that your point is fucking stupid",
">\n\nYou have no idea what his point is, it's funny that people on this thread OP and others actually like Andrew Tate.\nIt proves that everyone is completely frothingly tribalistic with zero nuance.",
">\n\nIf someone is behaving insufferably, people are going to laugh at them for things that they wouldn’t find funny if it happened to someone they liked.\nFor example, is it funny when people go bankrupt? No. Would it be funny if someone like Andrew Tate went bankrupt after boasting about Bugattis and all of his mass wealth? Yes. This doesn’t mean people who would make fun of him for that are making fun of poverty or all people who lose their livelihoods, it would just be funny if it happened to that particular person. \nIn the same way, the idea that Tate does all the douchey, over the top macho things that he does in order to compensate for having a small penis is funny, whilst it not being funny to make fun of every person who has a small penis.",
">\n\nSubstitute fat. Is that ok?",
">\n\nDepends on what the fat person is doing. If the person is minding their own business then no, if the fat person is attacking other people’s appearances then yeah go for it.",
">\n\nInteresting take. Might want to play with that a bit. A lot of situations where your reasoning falls apart.",
">\n\nPeople insulted Trump for being fat when he tried to say he was like the most fit person ever. People make fun of Elon Musk's body. You can make the same type of insult to two different people and it come off two different ways. \nWhen you make your identity or argument around something it opens up certain insults and comebacks. \nTate's whole thing is trying to act like this \"alpha male\" when in reality he's a sex trafficking weirdo who pays women to hang out with him. It's totally fine to insult him with a childish insult. \nI also find that people worried or mad about this don't actually care about body image issues. They just want a gotcha moment for people. Because many would have shitty takes about fat people or whine about pc culture.",
">\n\nWhen you call some MF that doesn't necessarily mean you are a MF... I'm not saying it's okay to say abusing words but we still do use them.\nI don't think she said it in literal terms, it was completely literary. Also she only said it cause it was Tate who she said it to. Also if a woman has small tits and someone said to someone else that they have small tits energy, I don't think one who actually has small tits would mind it, cause she is not involved and it's kinda perfect way of irritating Tate.. cause he really cares about these things. \nWhen it comes to increasing the insecurity of someone who actually has small D and is insecure about it... She couldn't think so far cause all she wanted was to irritate Tate and she was successful",
">\n\nI don't think it even irritated him if that was her goal but definitely helped him with popularity. It just proves what he says people think of insecure men, it just moves them to him and he gains more influence. It was an ignorant reply in poor taste. Someone with much following and influence as Greta shouldn't be as irresponsible and the followers shouldn't be having to do mental gymnastics to defend her instead of seeing it as it is: body shaming against men.",
">\n\nIs this some kind of weird meta-game? Are Andrew Tate fans pretending to actually be offended by this stupid insult to prove a point? Does anybody actually think her retort was any sharper than a brick wrapped in a wet blanket?\nWhat is going on here?!",
">\n\n\nWhat is going on here?!\n\nAndrew Tate fans have a lot of small dick energy. That's whats going on.",
">\n\nWhy are people not allowed dislike tate (he's an absolute idiot and a grifter) and also to criticize obvious body shaming from a supposed progressive? If Biden started talking about \"N*gger energy\" criticizing Kanye for antisemitism, would that be ok in your eyes? Would you say that a black guy who doesn't like that must be an angry Kanye fan? Or is it disgustingly offensive towards all African Americans to use that type of language no matter what?",
">\n\nBecause it suits their narrative to frame it as if people are just defending tate. It's easier than just actually defending body shaming. Done deal.",
">\n\nI think Greta used that phrase not because she actually believes or wants to promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior, but because people like Andrew Tate believe and promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior. If Andrew Tate gets hurt because Greta says he has small dick energy, then maybe -- just maybe, with the tiniest bit of introspection -- he'll come to realize how hateful some of his language is.\nBullies like Andrew Tate don't really respond to logic or pleas for sympathy. The only way to maybe make them understand the hurt they cause is to inflict it on them, because they don't care about anyone but themselves. \nSo instead of putting the cart before the horse and blaming Greta for using an offensive phrase as an argumentative tactic, maybe blame the people who use the phrase to actually demean people.",
">\n\nCan we substitute fat instead and be justified?",
">\n\nYes people did that with Trump when he claimed to be the fittest person ever basically. If someone has a habit of insulting people a certain way or making certain claims then they open themselves up to specific insults. \nSometimes we'd find those insults not tasteful if said to other people. But I feel like most people equating this to fat insults don't actually care about fat people. A lot of people would also be like oh things are getting too pc or soft or woke when it comes to body positivity towards fat people. So for me it's hard to buy this line of reasoning as being truly valid or caring.",
">\n\nNo one said it has to be authentic caring. This sub is for exploring the intellectual arguments. Your perception of how authentic someone’s feelings towards fat people is basically irrelevant. Argue the point or don’t. Passing your authenticity test is a wierd standard to try to argue for.",
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">\n\nYes, making insults is offensive. That's the point.\nInsults that reference a body part are also offensive to people who are insecure about that body part. That's also kinda obvious.\nWhat do you want your mind changed about here? I'm unclear about what you think can be discussed about an insult meant to be insulting. Are you arguing that this insult is especially wrong in some way?\nHow is this not just you soapboxing?",
">\n\nThere's a reason as a society we don't use insults like \"retard\". This is in the same vein. You're attributing a negative thing with a man having a small penis. This is harmful as it perpetuates the stigma surrounding penis size which is outside ones control. Essentially it degrades a group of people who have nothing to do with it. OP wants to know whether or not this is reconciled. Reading the comments... It has not been. \nMaking gendered insults doesn't bother me truthfully but I can understand the frustration OP is expressing because were it to be a man making some edgy reference to a woman's lady parts being inadequate as a way to demean them then everyone would be outraged as opposed to cheering it on.",
">\n\nUsing “small dick” as an insult, or “loose pussy” isn’t really offensive unless you are insecure about the physical viability of your reproductive organs. \nBut, that doesn’t make it funny. It’s a really juvenile and uncreative way of ridiculing someone.",
">\n\nInsecure women are offended when they're fat shamed.\nIt's still body shaming.\nIt's still wrong.",
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">\n\nGuy randomly decides to flex on her by saying I HAVE CARS AND I LIKE TO GO VROOOOM. It's like when Piers decides that it's absolutely important to eat meat in front of vegans. It's not about penis size. It's just that smalldickenergy is a perfect explanation of why would someone decide to behave like this.",
">\n\nShe is 19. Maybe in a few years she will have more mature insults. It’s a lot of pressure to be put on someone so young to also say the perfect thing all the time",
">\n\nUnder nearly all circumstances, I agree with you.\nHowever, for a lot of people who have built a cult of personality around any given ideal, insults of the inoffensive type are completely commonplace. All they have to do is fend off one or two instances of this PG rated attacks, strawman them, call them snowflakes, and their following is bolstered and enhanced. Instead of having any negative effect, it becomes part of their inherent power.\nSometimes if you want to rattle a cult leader you have to hit with precision their most critical weakness and watch them implode. The fact that Tate is squirming so hard and doing everything he can to reclaim some of his dignity after Greta's clapback means that she has his number. Great isn't saying that having a small dick is bad, but knowing that Tate's entire personality is built about being an alpha male and that calling into question the size of his member will hurt him the most is what she was after. \nOf course, it wasn't classy and could be offensive to some. But as the saying goes, sometimes you have to fight fire with fire.",
">\n\nReally is he squirming? \nHe's rich he's popular and now he's gotten someone he disagrees with to repeat his ideology and platform spreading it to a wider audience. \nI'd argue he's happy for the attention and popularity that she's given to him now and enjoying the increased sales in his business as more men who feel marginalized and left out join him seeing this hypocrisy playing out. Not to mention all the political players( internationally) who were against climate action seeing all this and aligning themselves appropriately, possibly propping him up and making him something more than what he actually is- An ignorant troll. \nEngage with a troll and you only give them more power. The tweet was dumb and people should know better.\nEdit: spacing",
">\n\nI'm not commenting on whether or not his fans will like him more or if the controversy will inadvertently grant him a wider audience. \nI'm commenting that Greta knew exactly where and how to hit him the hardest. Yes, he is definitely squirming. He has scrambled out half a dozen prepubescent \"I know you are but what am I\" tweets. Then he went and made the absolute cringiest response video. He's incensed by being talked down to by Greta and is overcompensating. \nDid her tweet have any net positive effect on society? No. Did it ruffle Tate's feathers and make his blood boil? Yea. Would he have even cared if she called him a misogynistic prick? Absolutely not. He would have just told her to sit down and shut up, that misogyny is made up by inferior women blah blah blah...\nInstead, his insecurities are eating him alive.",
">\n\nWhy even respond and give him attention that he so desperately craves? And why body shame men in the process? \nIf she didn't have a better insult she could have just went on with her life instead of helping him grow. Using \"small dick energy\" as an insult means implicitly we agree that people with small penises are inferior and undesirable. That's basically what Tate is on about ( Toxic masculinity). And by laughing at her tweet we all reinforce that perception. Do you get that? \nSick of double standards and hypocrisy. At least people should have the courage to own up and acknowledge it then move on instead of doubling down and performing mental gymnastics to justify an obvious case of body shaming.\nI agree with you on one thing that the net effect on society because of this tweet exchange is negative and only serves the people who Greta and her followers hate.",
">\n\nI think you are missing what I am saying. I fully agree that it wasn't necessary nor was it the right thing for Greta to do. I also agree that it just gives him attention and was overall a useless venture other for the entertainment of Tate haters.\nOP asked why it is okay. I stated that it isn't okay but that I understand why Greta took that road rather than the suggested non-offensive approach. It is because he's immune to it. What he isn't immune to is his masculinity and ego being questioned. What is the point of the Wolf continuing to blow on the brick house? None. To get to the scared little piggies inside he needs a jackhammer. \nAnd it worked exactly how she planned it to. He was rattled and anyone who hates Tate is amused. \nNot saying it's the right thing to do, nor do I want anyone to feel ashamed of the size of their penis.",
">\n\nOk.. thanks for elaborating on that. I misunderstood your comment as a disagreement and engaged to try and change your mind but seems we share the same view.",
">\n\nYou do not know what Greta is \"fully aware\" of. She is referring to character and behaviour, why are you taking this personally? She isn't speaking to you, hasn't seen you, doesn't know you. I don't know why you are externalizing your issue like this and waving it around in public, is it our responsibility to fix this for you?\nShe was just making a tiny joke. Relax. smalldickenergy @ getalife .com is hilarious.",
">\n\nAside from everything else, it's men who started the 'big dick energy' idiocy so to then complain when someone uses their own stupidity against them...",
">\n\nYeah because men are a monolith and we all meet in a room and know each other smh.",
">\n\nThey’re saying it’s offensive to more than just Andrew Tate",
">\n\nYeah but again, ISN'T THE PURPOSE",
">\n\nWhat do you mean again? You didn’t say that before. And why does the purpose matter? You can do a bad thing without meaning to.",
">\n\nI meant to say isn't that the purpose lol mb",
">\n\nOh lol I probably should have realized that. But I think the point of the insult was to offend Andrew Tate.",
">\n\nFair. Trying to not say anything about him one way or another so I don't get downvoted to hell.",
">\n\nGreta lost that argument. She literally has like a hundred things Tate has said and done she could attack. Easy target... The one thing she chose to do is to body shame the man. It's just name calling. It's not a refutation of Tate. If anything it makes her sound stupid for her inability to come up with a refutation.",
">\n\nExactly. But people are just cheering her on and laughing along without grasping the nuance of the situation.",
">\n\nI think you are kinda missing the point. People know it offensive. The issue is that they don't care.",
">\n\nPeople used to make fun of small tits all the time. Remember the 90s? Remember the itty bitty titty committee? I don't know if that's a thing any more, but skinny women with no butts are definitely not seen as attractive. It's not fair. It's not their fault. People need to stop shaming themselves and eachother, and accept all bodies. Until then, \"small dick energy\" won't cease to be an insult. I guess the difference is people are sort of \"punching up\" since it's always been people with dicks who have the power in this world. I've never heard a dude say that another dude has \"small dick energy.\" It's always a woman saying that. Either way I think it's dumb but I get it. I've always thought \"Karen\" was a dumb insult too. Not someone's fault they were named Karen, LOL.",
">\n\nAndrew insulted her. He was asking for this insult. She was totally in the right. She wasn’t trying to shame anyone else. You’re asking for this insult too.",
">\n\nIsn't it more offensive for small pp folk, that there is a guy who base his entire existence on top of an argument that being an alpha, prime male is the most important thing in the world, and you need to be a testosterone bomb gorilla to have any kind of value. Isn't that argument disregards small dick guys in the first place?",
">\n\nAnd Greta just reinforced it with her reply. Do you see the problem now?\nEdit:replaced \"comment\" with \"reply\"",
">\n\nI believe I've already made a statement about what the problem is.",
">\n\nThen do you understand why Greta's reply is offensive and playing into Andrew Tate's hands?",
">\n\nLol this is twitter. There is no playing into each other's hands. Get outside.",
">\n\nOh look. Greta is human. Someone who spent a lot of her growing up time trying to educate people.\nIf she was in a bar and some doofus made a pass, she's just asserting herself. Age and context. Good on her.",
">\n\nIt is actually been studied. Men with small penises actually do have less energy- testosterone or something.",
">\n\nBeing offended by anything is each person's individual choice. If something is offensive to you, then simply choose to not be offended by it. It's truly that simple.",
">\n\nSo there is no such thing as hate speech?",
">\n\nNo, I didn't say that. Someone can certainly say something to someone that they hate with words that they feel will harm them mentally. That is \"hate speech\". The point I was trying to make is that we all as individuals have the choice to react to whatever someone says in whatever way we choose to react. If I feel offended by something that someone is saying, it is my choice to be offended by it.",
">\n\nI pretty much agree, but now we come to who decides. Does the person doing the talking decide whether it is hate speech? Or the person being talked at?",
">\n\nThere is no decision. The person who is talking thinks that what they are saying is not hateful, or they do. The person being talked at thinks that what the other person is saying is hateful, or they don't. The point is that it only matters if you make it matter to you. For example, if I say you are the dumbest person on earth, am I committing the crime of hate speech? Are you the dumbest person on earth? Probably not. But maybe I believe that you are. Does that make it true? If so, then it's not hate speech it's the truth...to me. If you, personally, believe that you are not the dumbest person on earth, then why would you concern yourself with what my dumbass has to say? To you, I'm the dumbest person on earth. I hope I'm getting my point across here.",
">\n\nSo we agree then? No laws regarding hate speech at all. You just ignore it and move on.",
">\n\nYes, sir.",
">\n\nYup",
">\n\nWhat if I say that I am offended that you are offended that you say \"small dick energy\" is offensive to men that are insecure about their size? Say I'm a man with a huge, massive dong. Say it's been a huge issue for me all my life. Let's say, hypothetically, that I am hugely insecure about the massive size of my dong and it's given me problems all my life. Every time I, hypothetically, go for a jog it's constantly flopping all over the place chaffing up my leg. Every time I have sex it's always this huge issue and only like half of the thing can go in before the receiver is like \"oh my god, stop, that's too much!\" Every time I receive oral sex, anything more than an inch beyond the tip causes a gag reflex. Does that sound exciting to you? Here you are bragging about your completely normal sized penis and all your normal sized penis sex and here this hypothetical person with a huge massive dong has all these issues. I can see how a hypothetical person with this debilitating issue would take offense that you take offense.",
">\n\nShe's an edgelord",
">\n\nreddit",
">\n\nSounds like a skill issue",
">\n\nDo you really get that offended? It's not like males themselves haven't sexualized females and their bodies and have said even worse and more common things about them? But we get offended over sum small? pun intended",
">\n\n“Some males have sexualized females therefore it’s fine for society to make fun of penis size.”",
">\n\nSociety? I don't see everyone (which represents society) doing it 😂 maybe you are focusing too much on negativity and that's all you see",
">\n\nSaying “small dick energy” is inherently a negative thing because it’s an insult. It also implies that there’s something bad about less endowed people because Tate is being compared to that demographic. \nWhen I say society, I mean that a decent percentage of people have “____ dick energy” built into their vocabulary to the point where the meaning of these terms is widely agreed on and it loses it’s direct connection to the penis. This doesn’t mean that the term is appropriate to use though since it originated from actual body shaming.",
">\n\nBattle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.",
">\n\nI think you should consider the situation at hand and less the use of insults as an absolute \nAndrew Tate absolutely deserves it",
">\n\nthe post its about the insult. \n\"Yeah I called this person a N... but lets focus on how bad that person is!!\"\nThe insult not only its very inflammatory (shows patriarcal estigmas,Its body shaming, reinforces toxic masculinity)\nIts also an extremely weak answer, its a groundless ad hominem. I would dare to argue the insult talks more about breta and his internalized toxic patriarcal estigmas than anything against tate.",
">\n\nGreta didn't start this. He was harassing her.",
">\n\n\"He started it\" -That's a toddler's excuse lmao",
">\n\nSo, in your opinion, Greta would have insulted him whether he had harassed her first, or not?",
">\n\nHer insulting him isn't the problem here. Its how she insulted him that's problematic.",
">\n\nWell, if he didn't want to be insulted, he could've done pretty much anything else with his time. I love the way you think people should be able to gatekeep how other people should hurt the feelings of people who are harassing them.",
">\n\nI'm not defending him or saying his feelings are hurt or that he doesn't deserve the insult. You're completely missing the point of this post and what we've been discussing. \n\"Body shaming is acceptable when it's directed at people we don't like\"- this is the hypocrisy that's being pointed out. It's not about who's better Tate or Greta but it's the bigger issue of shaming men's insecurities without any regard to their mental health. Do you get it now?",
">\n\nI think I do. It hadn't occurred to me that you might have a small penis. My apologies. Perhaps just as Greta Thurnberg travels the world as an advocate for awareness of Climate Change, you can break down the stereotype that people with small penises have energy. You should probably do as little as possible, though, since you don't want to be accused of having \"energy.\"",
">\n\nWasted my time replying after your \"he started it\" comment smh. Toddler mentality gugu gaga talk to me after you understand the issue.\nEdit: issue",
">\n\nI'm sorry about your peepee. But you have taught me not to trust stereotypes. And learning is fundamental.",
">\n\nI almost forgot. Please don't use the word toddler. It's offensive to small children.",
">\n\nFirst of all \"small dick energy\" shames the energy, not the small dick. It shames the fact to be insecure by your dick size (which is a metaphor for being insecure about your masculinity in general) and overcompensate by doing big manly stuff. It doesn't shame the fact to have a small dick.\nYou can argue that it is as bad, but it's important to understand that.",
">\n\nDon't be a cunt mate.",
">\n\nTechnically yes its body shaming but it's not that big a deal I think",
">\n\nIt has more to do with how they're acting rather than actual anatomy size.",
">\n\ncouple things: small dicks is one of the things about men that men tend to care about to an obsessive degree, that women do to a way lesser degree but pretend to, because men typically like to have a very braggadocious and obnoxious attitude about everything. this tate guy is that to the nth degree. so i mean if anyone deserves being called \"SDE\" its this tate guy \nsecond thing is that people who genuinely do have small dicks don't own that they have what they do; they lie about it. people who really do own that they have small dicks aren't made fun of for having them, because its not funny; the whole point is that you're lying about it and pretending like you're some big shot stud asshole, when you're not. if you own that you have a small dick, then ironically, you don't have \"SDE\"; you own what you have, you're not overcompensating and pretending to be something you're not. \nso if greta thunburg was to call, say, howard stern \"SDE\", a dude who owns that he has a small dick and makes fun of himself for it, then it wouldn't be funny. and howard stern even IS a braggadocious asshole. andrew tate is just wayyyyy more of one, and he pretend like he's god's gift to women. \nin general when it comes to \"oh poor men won't anybody think of the men\" i just cringe. i'm not the most liberal guy. but conservative guys just reappropriating the oppression olympics self-victimization shit and applying it to themselves is just pathetic.",
">\n\nSmall dick guy here... I always felt like guys like Howard Stern were compensating for it by self-loathing comedy. That's a big thing comedians do in general, and so to me it's always hard to say a guy truly doesn't care about it just because he's joking about it. On the other hand, maybe I'm just projecting, because I'll poke fun at my tiny pecker and not really care if someone makes fun of me for it, but it also does truly bother me a little bit when I hear things like, \"Oh that guy is an asshole, he must be mad because he has a tiny dick.\" Like... As if all us small guys are just furious that we aren't gonna win the dick-measuring contest that we let it affect our daily lives. It's a matter of extremes I think. I'm sure there's some guys with small ones that genuinely don't give a single fuck, and others who let it influence their entire lives, but I think most men with a small wang living in a society which implies that's a bad thing are going to end up somewhere in the middle of the scale.\nThe people I really feel bad for are the young people. Growing up with a small dick is a million times harder than being an adult with one. For the most part, nobody really cares if you're a grown man that's small, but when you're a teenager you feel like everybody cares. I had a really hard time wanting to pursue girls because of it, always worried about what their reaction would be, is they'd tell their girlfriends and it would get back to the other guys, etc. And that DOES happen... I remember being at the lunch table and someone saying, 'Did you hear Mike's dick is only x inches?\" and I'd be sitting there like, an inch shorter than Mike and pretending that I found it as funny as everyone else around the table. It didn't really hit me until I was much older that I probably wasn't the only one at the table doing that. Plus I always thought it was weird like, at least that was evidence \"Mike\" was getting some, why should he care if it was small? It wasn't until I got over it and had a few flings and girlfriends that I realized it made such a little difference (pun intended) than what I had built it up to in my mind.\nSo I mean... Yeah, I think some guys do truly have small dick energy, but all that means is they're insecure and I think it kind of sucks that people don't think about the feelings of people who had no part of the fight who get their feelings hurt as collateral damage, and that somehow just because of the douche the insult was leveled at we go, \"Haha you feel insecure about your body!\"\nOne thing it makes me think about that I'm guilty of is calling guys closet-cases. Yeah, I am just trying to point out they're overcompensating about things because they are ashamed of their sexuality, but I don't really take a pause and think, \"Wow, I bet that makes the people actually in the closet feel like shit.\" In some ways, I think it's even worse than just simple body shaming that as a society we're going around making fun of people for issues that could very well be deep seeded mental health issues, or could become so.",
">\n\nidk i just think that the only people being accused of having small dicks are people who are so obnoxious that it feels like they're compensating, like this guy. so sure its \"body shaming\", but a) body shaming is just something that happens that idk if we can ever really do anything about, because human beings value different body parts differently, and b) its only really shaming people because of their behavior, not their bodies. its shaming their behavior, by implying something about their bodies that would be embarrassing particularly for a person who is displaying this behavior, like tate does, because somebody that obsessed with getting chicks would probably be extremely concerned if people thought he had a small dick.",
">\n\nYeah that's the thing though, for me it really bothers me more that people think I'm going around being an asshole, driving a huge truck or otherwise trying to compensate just because my dick is small. I can also see the idea that it implies that having a small dick is bad. I mean just the idea that you can 'accuse' anyone of it implies there's something wrong with it.\nI mean, to me that's easier to hand-wave the idea that there's something wrong with it since I've had enough lived experience to know it doesn't matter. However, I feel like there's probably a lot of people out there who haven't who are still really hung up on it, particularly young people. I know I already brought up homosexuality, but it reminds me of when people use to say you shouldn't call things gay because it puts a negative connotation on homosexuality. Speaking of that, there's that phrase, \"It gets better,\" that is used to comfort/console LGTBQ youths and I think it should be applied to body-image issues too--whether that be penis size, breast size, weight, whatever. Looking back on my life, it was definitely the insecurities that negatively effected me far more than my actual size ever did. \nBut yeah I also feel like there's kind of a lot of people just trying to paint this as her being caught being a hypocrite or something, and I agree with you that I especially hate it when men frame it as some kind of, \"Oh look, see, we're oppressed too. So much for feminism!\" kind of argument.\nI guess I just see both sides of it.",
">\n\nVery well put. I honestly think you have changed some minds today. Hopefully more people stop and think before blindly defending someone they look up to.",
">\n\nI have a small dick, it's fine",
">\n\nThat's the point.",
">\n\nNo shit.",
">\n\n\"small dick energy\" isn't mocking someone for their penis size but for behaving in a way that they are compensating for insecurities and people like Tait measure their masculinity in \"I own cars\" is the epitome of trying to mask insecurities",
">\n\nI think the point about \"energy\" keeps being ignored. \nYou can have a small dick, but with thoughtfulness and confidence never have \"small dick energy\"\nYou can have a big schlong and be a needy jerkstore which gives you \"small dick energy\"\nAnd you can be like Andrew Tate and have a very small one and have \"small dick energy\" and be an absolute creepy, dumbass attention goblin.\nThe grand majority of people don't give a flip about the size of your dick. People with dicks care about the size of their own dick. It's the assumption that everyone cares as much as they do about their dick that's the real problem.",
">\n\nSo you agree the stereotype is false ..... and hurtful. If it's really an assumption as you say then people won't use \"tiny dick\" as an insult on people they don't like right? If no one really cares then there's no need to use it as an insult anyway right? Right??\nBut they do because it's socially acceptable to body shame men for some reason. Just see the tweet posts in other subs and their comments section laughing along, cheering her on and poking fun at men who have small penises and the stereotypes associated with such.",
">\n\nI don't know how old you are but like.\nSaying small dick energy actually has anything to do with the size of someone's dick is like culturally irrelevant.\nLike you can have a tiny dick and still have big dick energy and you can have a big dick and have small dick energy.\nBecause, Most people who need to project their insecurities are insulted by the size assumption.\nIt's more about the idea of insulting someone by saying they're just trying to project masculinity. This is the same reason why being in small dick energy is really used in all circles and not just as a male centered insult.\nLike buck and stud lesbians love the fuck out of that term.\nPeople with a small dick who get insulted by the general idea of small dick energy as an insult need to deal with their own insecurities.\nI'd much rather have a small dick than small dick energy.",
">\n\nIf the size is irrelevant, why associate being small with only negative traits and being big with only positive traits? You can't, and you could just say that being smaller makes you a bad person. It would be more honest. I'm sure people dealing with insecurities appreciate being associated with a human trafficker...",
">\n\nLike I said I have a small dick and would rather have a small dick than have small dick energy.\nThe whole point is that the only people who care about size are people who are easily insecure.\nIt's because they care the people making the jokes know that size doesn't matter and they're not making fun of people who have small dicks they're making fun of the people who care so much about what the size of their dick is that an influences their entire self worth.",
">\n\nThere are plenty of secure people who care about size. They are big, so they don't get made fun of. The people who make the jokes, whether they realize it or not, imply that small = bad person. It reinforces to insecure people that they are wrong for something that they have no control over and that people around them, including loved ones, would think lesser of them, because they probably would if they are making these jokes.",
">\n\nBro I'm not big and I'm pointing out that not everyone who has a small dick is insulted by the idea of small dick energy this really seems to be a you problem.",
">\n\nI'M pointing out that not everyone who is offended is a bad person, but people, like anyone defending this phrase, are just going to pretend to not understand because this is something people don't care if you make fun of, so this is just a waste of time.",
">\n\n\nNot everyone who is offended is a bad person\n\nYeah, they're just wrongly offended because they assume the intent of something from a community they are not a part of. This is happening more and more because of how the internet is working.\nIs like \"Okay Boomer\" wasn't actually about being born a boomer but about the Mindset of the generation.\nIt's the YOU and the other people offended who refuse to understand that \"Small Dick Energy\" isn't connected to you're actual dick size.",
">\n\nIf it's not connected to the dick size then why even phrase it as \"Small Dick Energy\"??\nYou're trying to alter the meaning of words to fit your narrative instead of seeing it for what it is: body shaming against men. Even in your interpretation of the phrase saying it's a mindset it's still wrong that it's equating a shitty mindset with people who have small dicks. Why is this so hard to understand?",
">\n\nBecause it's only the people who are so insecure about their dick size who would get offended by the thought of small dick energy being an insult so it's kind of like self-selecting.\nIt's like when women say I hate men if you're not a man who shitty to women you're not going to get offended by people saying that.\nWe're not making fun of people for having small dicks we're making fun of people for acting like anyone in society cares about the size of your dick.",
">\n\nYour first paragraph basically says that body shaming isn't offensive or hurtful because only people who are insecure will get hurt and offended. That's just wrong. Why? Because it's unnecessarily cruel and just pokes fun at people who are insecure and struggling with their body image. That's punching down on people and shaming them for no reason. \"Small dick energy\" jokes are a form of toxic masculinity and on brand with Tate but now it's legitimised by Greta who's supposed to be progressive and not hateful against people with insecurities. You see the hypocrisy and inconsistency here?\nI don't want to keep repeating myself. Give the top comments a good read and you'll get it.",
">\n\nDoubling down on this saying that also \"Big Dick Energy\" it's an objectification that implicitly disqualifies men who are not allegedly big. But since it's not aimed at women it's totally irrelevant in body shaming debate: you know, fat women must be accepted and regarded as beautiful, but short men? No thanks.",
">\n\nI think context is really important here. Since Andrew Tate is a one-dimensional moron who deserves to feel bad about himself, we know that he values a very surface-level perception of masculinity that is reflected by penis size.\nGenerally, I think making fun of small dicks is pointless, because a person's worth isn't determined by that. But if someone is loudly projecting that they think their worth is determined by that and also makes a living putting down an entire gender, it's fair game IMO."
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"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult.",
">\n\nIt's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh.",
">\n\nHonestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV",
">\n\nPeople can make mistakes and this was one of them.. so we can all just criticize her reply fairly and move on. No need for acute mental gymnastics to defend her as this comments section is showing lmao.",
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">\n\nI don't think anyone is arguing it's not offensive. I'm pretty sure she was trying to offend insecure men. Apparently with great success.",
">\n\nShe was trying to offend men who were insecure about their body image?\nHow is that not body shaming?",
">\n\nIt is, but we playing the avoidance and rationalization game",
">\n\nbecause women invented \"small dick energy\"\nharsh, sad. but we go jim🗿",
">\n\nOP never mentioned women tho. Post is strictly about why it's offensive. Do you disagree that it's not offensive or you think it's a trivial matter to make fun of that men's mental health doesn't matter as much?",
">\n\nThe female equivalent is\n\"Loose Pussy Energy\".\nThe typical man-hate hypocrisy commonly going around is beyond obvious. And it is an attack on All men and boys not just some.",
">\n\nNot a disagreement per se, but also worth noting that it’s transphobic. Which is to say, it insults all men by reinforcing patriarchy and punching down to two groups of men.",
">\n\nShe said small dick energy. Not that he had a small dick (though, come on). She used that phrase BECAUSE it's Tate. She's not a moron.\nHe is, as evidenced by his life to this point and his two responses to Thunberg, which were epically pathetic, is a moron and didn't seem to get it, though he doesn't get a lot.",
">\n\nThis is worse than saying he has a small dick, because how would she know, and that would just be dismissed as stupid.\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\nI can't understand the mental gymnastics some people are doing to try and say this isn't body shaming.",
">\n\n\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\n\nI mean yeah -- kind of like how pussy is an insult denoting cowardice, cunt is an insult meaning basically, terrible, etc., \nShe used that on purpose. Are you making CMV every time you see someone calling someone else a pussy?",
">\n\nPussy is kind of already known to be a shitty gendered insult so it doesn't need a CMV. In this case, Greta's gendered \"having a small penis is bad\" tweet is massively amplified, reached r/all on a shitload of subs, etc. so some discussion about whether or not that is cool is warranted",
">\n\nSmall dick energy isn’t about having a small dick tho. It’s a reflection of an attitude that men who are offensive, aggressive, nasty to people are overcompensating for their insecurities. A small dick doesn’t mean you won’t be able to find a partner or that you’re any less of a man. Being a downright trash bag of a human to others, like in this instance where an internet edgelord is cyber bullying a teenager on the internet who is fighting for the survival of our planet/humanity is an example of this trash behavior, is more of a determining factor. \nYou can also have a small dick but have big dick energy, as it’s reflective of who you are as a person. It’s an attitude. It’s who you choose to be to yourself and others. Hell, there’s women who use the term that they have big dick energy and I can tell you those women’s dicks are none existent so therefore size isn’t a thing. \nNo one should be made fun of for something they had no control over. The worth of a man is not tied to the size of his penis. Although, toxic masculinity and shallow people will tell you different. They say the same for disabled people, fat people etc. There’s plenty of people who are not “conventional standards of beauty” which is the majority of us, that lead happy, healthy relationships. Those relationships start with yourself and understanding your worth as a person isn’t tied to what you look like or how big your junk is. \nThe point is if you choose to be a trash person like Tate, where your self worth is tied into how cruel/offensive you can be to other people, don’t be mad if people call you out for that trashy attitude. Your post definitely reeks of “men are the true victims” when clearly you didn’t seem to have a problem with a grown man cyber bullying a teenager.",
">\n\nI like how you imply that OP is a fan of a literal human trafficker because they point out that a body-shaming insult is body-shaming. Do you understand why associating a trait of someone's body with negative personality traits is bad?",
">\n\nNo because people like this always have exceptions that allow them to use the things they complain about. Cognitive gymnastics allows them to recognise shaming women and people of colour is bad, because society will eat them otherwise, but when someone shows up who deserves a bit of a roasting all of their social etiquette rules go out the window and the excuses come out as to why in this context it doesn't count.\n\"Ahh no, here it is a reflection of an attitude\" blah blah 3 paragraphs later and we've clouded over the simple fact that body shaming is body shaming and harms people you weren't intending to insult.",
">\n\nPeople like this? You’re assuming things about me because I am a character in your mind not a real person. I am not a monolith. We should not be body shaming people. I am explaining the other side of this issue and why people use these terms. You never asked if I use these same terms in my life. You assumed I do. I don’t. You didn’t even bother to read my response because if you did you would have realized this.",
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">\n\nYou can have smol pp but big pp energy and vice versa",
">\n\nSo why is the phrase small dick energy if it has nothing to do with having a small dick?",
">\n\nIdk man, I just work here.",
">\n\nYou know why. Lol cause small dick is associated with bad. And by insulting dicks you use this knowledge to offend, at the cost of body shaming people. \nStop feigning dumb just to avoid the reasoning lol",
">\n\nI can see how it would be offensive, and I wouldn’t use it myself. I feel like the phrase refers more to how someone acts as opposed to how they are endowed. And how it’s behavior and actions that make people think down of you not your penis.",
">\n\nPoint is that we, as a society, should encourage better insults that attack the comments of the person without necessarily having to equate it to something someone with a small dick.",
">\n\nWould you agree with me, that if Andrew clapped back with one of those that the internet would be up in arms about it?",
">\n\nYou mean the way that you are, here, on the internet, up in arms?",
">\n\nIm one person on reddit, theres no major backlash like there would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\nSee, what's happening here is that you are also looking at people who are \"one person on Reddit\" and pretending it's a major backlash. Andrew Tate says fucked up things about women all the time (in fact, it's kind of his whole schtick) and it's as much of a non-event as this is.",
">\n\nPlease link me to something fucked up hes said about women, and ill agree with you, two wrongs don't make a right.",
">\n\nHere's exhibit A.",
">\n\nSure I agree with you he has said fucked up stuff about women, it doesn't mean its okay to make a joke about small dick energy.\nDo you understand my point?",
">\n\nWe understand, it's just that your point is fucking stupid",
">\n\nYou have no idea what his point is, it's funny that people on this thread OP and others actually like Andrew Tate.\nIt proves that everyone is completely frothingly tribalistic with zero nuance.",
">\n\nIf someone is behaving insufferably, people are going to laugh at them for things that they wouldn’t find funny if it happened to someone they liked.\nFor example, is it funny when people go bankrupt? No. Would it be funny if someone like Andrew Tate went bankrupt after boasting about Bugattis and all of his mass wealth? Yes. This doesn’t mean people who would make fun of him for that are making fun of poverty or all people who lose their livelihoods, it would just be funny if it happened to that particular person. \nIn the same way, the idea that Tate does all the douchey, over the top macho things that he does in order to compensate for having a small penis is funny, whilst it not being funny to make fun of every person who has a small penis.",
">\n\nSubstitute fat. Is that ok?",
">\n\nDepends on what the fat person is doing. If the person is minding their own business then no, if the fat person is attacking other people’s appearances then yeah go for it.",
">\n\nInteresting take. Might want to play with that a bit. A lot of situations where your reasoning falls apart.",
">\n\nPeople insulted Trump for being fat when he tried to say he was like the most fit person ever. People make fun of Elon Musk's body. You can make the same type of insult to two different people and it come off two different ways. \nWhen you make your identity or argument around something it opens up certain insults and comebacks. \nTate's whole thing is trying to act like this \"alpha male\" when in reality he's a sex trafficking weirdo who pays women to hang out with him. It's totally fine to insult him with a childish insult. \nI also find that people worried or mad about this don't actually care about body image issues. They just want a gotcha moment for people. Because many would have shitty takes about fat people or whine about pc culture.",
">\n\nWhen you call some MF that doesn't necessarily mean you are a MF... I'm not saying it's okay to say abusing words but we still do use them.\nI don't think she said it in literal terms, it was completely literary. Also she only said it cause it was Tate who she said it to. Also if a woman has small tits and someone said to someone else that they have small tits energy, I don't think one who actually has small tits would mind it, cause she is not involved and it's kinda perfect way of irritating Tate.. cause he really cares about these things. \nWhen it comes to increasing the insecurity of someone who actually has small D and is insecure about it... She couldn't think so far cause all she wanted was to irritate Tate and she was successful",
">\n\nI don't think it even irritated him if that was her goal but definitely helped him with popularity. It just proves what he says people think of insecure men, it just moves them to him and he gains more influence. It was an ignorant reply in poor taste. Someone with much following and influence as Greta shouldn't be as irresponsible and the followers shouldn't be having to do mental gymnastics to defend her instead of seeing it as it is: body shaming against men.",
">\n\nIs this some kind of weird meta-game? Are Andrew Tate fans pretending to actually be offended by this stupid insult to prove a point? Does anybody actually think her retort was any sharper than a brick wrapped in a wet blanket?\nWhat is going on here?!",
">\n\n\nWhat is going on here?!\n\nAndrew Tate fans have a lot of small dick energy. That's whats going on.",
">\n\nWhy are people not allowed dislike tate (he's an absolute idiot and a grifter) and also to criticize obvious body shaming from a supposed progressive? If Biden started talking about \"N*gger energy\" criticizing Kanye for antisemitism, would that be ok in your eyes? Would you say that a black guy who doesn't like that must be an angry Kanye fan? Or is it disgustingly offensive towards all African Americans to use that type of language no matter what?",
">\n\nBecause it suits their narrative to frame it as if people are just defending tate. It's easier than just actually defending body shaming. Done deal.",
">\n\nI think Greta used that phrase not because she actually believes or wants to promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior, but because people like Andrew Tate believe and promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior. If Andrew Tate gets hurt because Greta says he has small dick energy, then maybe -- just maybe, with the tiniest bit of introspection -- he'll come to realize how hateful some of his language is.\nBullies like Andrew Tate don't really respond to logic or pleas for sympathy. The only way to maybe make them understand the hurt they cause is to inflict it on them, because they don't care about anyone but themselves. \nSo instead of putting the cart before the horse and blaming Greta for using an offensive phrase as an argumentative tactic, maybe blame the people who use the phrase to actually demean people.",
">\n\nCan we substitute fat instead and be justified?",
">\n\nYes people did that with Trump when he claimed to be the fittest person ever basically. If someone has a habit of insulting people a certain way or making certain claims then they open themselves up to specific insults. \nSometimes we'd find those insults not tasteful if said to other people. But I feel like most people equating this to fat insults don't actually care about fat people. A lot of people would also be like oh things are getting too pc or soft or woke when it comes to body positivity towards fat people. So for me it's hard to buy this line of reasoning as being truly valid or caring.",
">\n\nNo one said it has to be authentic caring. This sub is for exploring the intellectual arguments. Your perception of how authentic someone’s feelings towards fat people is basically irrelevant. Argue the point or don’t. Passing your authenticity test is a wierd standard to try to argue for.",
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">\n\nYes, making insults is offensive. That's the point.\nInsults that reference a body part are also offensive to people who are insecure about that body part. That's also kinda obvious.\nWhat do you want your mind changed about here? I'm unclear about what you think can be discussed about an insult meant to be insulting. Are you arguing that this insult is especially wrong in some way?\nHow is this not just you soapboxing?",
">\n\nThere's a reason as a society we don't use insults like \"retard\". This is in the same vein. You're attributing a negative thing with a man having a small penis. This is harmful as it perpetuates the stigma surrounding penis size which is outside ones control. Essentially it degrades a group of people who have nothing to do with it. OP wants to know whether or not this is reconciled. Reading the comments... It has not been. \nMaking gendered insults doesn't bother me truthfully but I can understand the frustration OP is expressing because were it to be a man making some edgy reference to a woman's lady parts being inadequate as a way to demean them then everyone would be outraged as opposed to cheering it on.",
">\n\nUsing “small dick” as an insult, or “loose pussy” isn’t really offensive unless you are insecure about the physical viability of your reproductive organs. \nBut, that doesn’t make it funny. It’s a really juvenile and uncreative way of ridiculing someone.",
">\n\nInsecure women are offended when they're fat shamed.\nIt's still body shaming.\nIt's still wrong.",
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">\n\nGuy randomly decides to flex on her by saying I HAVE CARS AND I LIKE TO GO VROOOOM. It's like when Piers decides that it's absolutely important to eat meat in front of vegans. It's not about penis size. It's just that smalldickenergy is a perfect explanation of why would someone decide to behave like this.",
">\n\nShe is 19. Maybe in a few years she will have more mature insults. It’s a lot of pressure to be put on someone so young to also say the perfect thing all the time",
">\n\nUnder nearly all circumstances, I agree with you.\nHowever, for a lot of people who have built a cult of personality around any given ideal, insults of the inoffensive type are completely commonplace. All they have to do is fend off one or two instances of this PG rated attacks, strawman them, call them snowflakes, and their following is bolstered and enhanced. Instead of having any negative effect, it becomes part of their inherent power.\nSometimes if you want to rattle a cult leader you have to hit with precision their most critical weakness and watch them implode. The fact that Tate is squirming so hard and doing everything he can to reclaim some of his dignity after Greta's clapback means that she has his number. Great isn't saying that having a small dick is bad, but knowing that Tate's entire personality is built about being an alpha male and that calling into question the size of his member will hurt him the most is what she was after. \nOf course, it wasn't classy and could be offensive to some. But as the saying goes, sometimes you have to fight fire with fire.",
">\n\nReally is he squirming? \nHe's rich he's popular and now he's gotten someone he disagrees with to repeat his ideology and platform spreading it to a wider audience. \nI'd argue he's happy for the attention and popularity that she's given to him now and enjoying the increased sales in his business as more men who feel marginalized and left out join him seeing this hypocrisy playing out. Not to mention all the political players( internationally) who were against climate action seeing all this and aligning themselves appropriately, possibly propping him up and making him something more than what he actually is- An ignorant troll. \nEngage with a troll and you only give them more power. The tweet was dumb and people should know better.\nEdit: spacing",
">\n\nI'm not commenting on whether or not his fans will like him more or if the controversy will inadvertently grant him a wider audience. \nI'm commenting that Greta knew exactly where and how to hit him the hardest. Yes, he is definitely squirming. He has scrambled out half a dozen prepubescent \"I know you are but what am I\" tweets. Then he went and made the absolute cringiest response video. He's incensed by being talked down to by Greta and is overcompensating. \nDid her tweet have any net positive effect on society? No. Did it ruffle Tate's feathers and make his blood boil? Yea. Would he have even cared if she called him a misogynistic prick? Absolutely not. He would have just told her to sit down and shut up, that misogyny is made up by inferior women blah blah blah...\nInstead, his insecurities are eating him alive.",
">\n\nWhy even respond and give him attention that he so desperately craves? And why body shame men in the process? \nIf she didn't have a better insult she could have just went on with her life instead of helping him grow. Using \"small dick energy\" as an insult means implicitly we agree that people with small penises are inferior and undesirable. That's basically what Tate is on about ( Toxic masculinity). And by laughing at her tweet we all reinforce that perception. Do you get that? \nSick of double standards and hypocrisy. At least people should have the courage to own up and acknowledge it then move on instead of doubling down and performing mental gymnastics to justify an obvious case of body shaming.\nI agree with you on one thing that the net effect on society because of this tweet exchange is negative and only serves the people who Greta and her followers hate.",
">\n\nI think you are missing what I am saying. I fully agree that it wasn't necessary nor was it the right thing for Greta to do. I also agree that it just gives him attention and was overall a useless venture other for the entertainment of Tate haters.\nOP asked why it is okay. I stated that it isn't okay but that I understand why Greta took that road rather than the suggested non-offensive approach. It is because he's immune to it. What he isn't immune to is his masculinity and ego being questioned. What is the point of the Wolf continuing to blow on the brick house? None. To get to the scared little piggies inside he needs a jackhammer. \nAnd it worked exactly how she planned it to. He was rattled and anyone who hates Tate is amused. \nNot saying it's the right thing to do, nor do I want anyone to feel ashamed of the size of their penis.",
">\n\nOk.. thanks for elaborating on that. I misunderstood your comment as a disagreement and engaged to try and change your mind but seems we share the same view.",
">\n\nYou do not know what Greta is \"fully aware\" of. She is referring to character and behaviour, why are you taking this personally? She isn't speaking to you, hasn't seen you, doesn't know you. I don't know why you are externalizing your issue like this and waving it around in public, is it our responsibility to fix this for you?\nShe was just making a tiny joke. Relax. smalldickenergy @ getalife .com is hilarious.",
">\n\nAside from everything else, it's men who started the 'big dick energy' idiocy so to then complain when someone uses their own stupidity against them...",
">\n\nYeah because men are a monolith and we all meet in a room and know each other smh.",
">\n\nThey’re saying it’s offensive to more than just Andrew Tate",
">\n\nYeah but again, ISN'T THE PURPOSE",
">\n\nWhat do you mean again? You didn’t say that before. And why does the purpose matter? You can do a bad thing without meaning to.",
">\n\nI meant to say isn't that the purpose lol mb",
">\n\nOh lol I probably should have realized that. But I think the point of the insult was to offend Andrew Tate.",
">\n\nFair. Trying to not say anything about him one way or another so I don't get downvoted to hell.",
">\n\nGreta lost that argument. She literally has like a hundred things Tate has said and done she could attack. Easy target... The one thing she chose to do is to body shame the man. It's just name calling. It's not a refutation of Tate. If anything it makes her sound stupid for her inability to come up with a refutation.",
">\n\nExactly. But people are just cheering her on and laughing along without grasping the nuance of the situation.",
">\n\nI think you are kinda missing the point. People know it offensive. The issue is that they don't care.",
">\n\nPeople used to make fun of small tits all the time. Remember the 90s? Remember the itty bitty titty committee? I don't know if that's a thing any more, but skinny women with no butts are definitely not seen as attractive. It's not fair. It's not their fault. People need to stop shaming themselves and eachother, and accept all bodies. Until then, \"small dick energy\" won't cease to be an insult. I guess the difference is people are sort of \"punching up\" since it's always been people with dicks who have the power in this world. I've never heard a dude say that another dude has \"small dick energy.\" It's always a woman saying that. Either way I think it's dumb but I get it. I've always thought \"Karen\" was a dumb insult too. Not someone's fault they were named Karen, LOL.",
">\n\nAndrew insulted her. He was asking for this insult. She was totally in the right. She wasn’t trying to shame anyone else. You’re asking for this insult too.",
">\n\nIsn't it more offensive for small pp folk, that there is a guy who base his entire existence on top of an argument that being an alpha, prime male is the most important thing in the world, and you need to be a testosterone bomb gorilla to have any kind of value. Isn't that argument disregards small dick guys in the first place?",
">\n\nAnd Greta just reinforced it with her reply. Do you see the problem now?\nEdit:replaced \"comment\" with \"reply\"",
">\n\nI believe I've already made a statement about what the problem is.",
">\n\nThen do you understand why Greta's reply is offensive and playing into Andrew Tate's hands?",
">\n\nLol this is twitter. There is no playing into each other's hands. Get outside.",
">\n\nOh look. Greta is human. Someone who spent a lot of her growing up time trying to educate people.\nIf she was in a bar and some doofus made a pass, she's just asserting herself. Age and context. Good on her.",
">\n\nIt is actually been studied. Men with small penises actually do have less energy- testosterone or something.",
">\n\nBeing offended by anything is each person's individual choice. If something is offensive to you, then simply choose to not be offended by it. It's truly that simple.",
">\n\nSo there is no such thing as hate speech?",
">\n\nNo, I didn't say that. Someone can certainly say something to someone that they hate with words that they feel will harm them mentally. That is \"hate speech\". The point I was trying to make is that we all as individuals have the choice to react to whatever someone says in whatever way we choose to react. If I feel offended by something that someone is saying, it is my choice to be offended by it.",
">\n\nI pretty much agree, but now we come to who decides. Does the person doing the talking decide whether it is hate speech? Or the person being talked at?",
">\n\nThere is no decision. The person who is talking thinks that what they are saying is not hateful, or they do. The person being talked at thinks that what the other person is saying is hateful, or they don't. The point is that it only matters if you make it matter to you. For example, if I say you are the dumbest person on earth, am I committing the crime of hate speech? Are you the dumbest person on earth? Probably not. But maybe I believe that you are. Does that make it true? If so, then it's not hate speech it's the truth...to me. If you, personally, believe that you are not the dumbest person on earth, then why would you concern yourself with what my dumbass has to say? To you, I'm the dumbest person on earth. I hope I'm getting my point across here.",
">\n\nSo we agree then? No laws regarding hate speech at all. You just ignore it and move on.",
">\n\nYes, sir.",
">\n\nYup",
">\n\nWhat if I say that I am offended that you are offended that you say \"small dick energy\" is offensive to men that are insecure about their size? Say I'm a man with a huge, massive dong. Say it's been a huge issue for me all my life. Let's say, hypothetically, that I am hugely insecure about the massive size of my dong and it's given me problems all my life. Every time I, hypothetically, go for a jog it's constantly flopping all over the place chaffing up my leg. Every time I have sex it's always this huge issue and only like half of the thing can go in before the receiver is like \"oh my god, stop, that's too much!\" Every time I receive oral sex, anything more than an inch beyond the tip causes a gag reflex. Does that sound exciting to you? Here you are bragging about your completely normal sized penis and all your normal sized penis sex and here this hypothetical person with a huge massive dong has all these issues. I can see how a hypothetical person with this debilitating issue would take offense that you take offense.",
">\n\nShe's an edgelord",
">\n\nreddit",
">\n\nSounds like a skill issue",
">\n\nDo you really get that offended? It's not like males themselves haven't sexualized females and their bodies and have said even worse and more common things about them? But we get offended over sum small? pun intended",
">\n\n“Some males have sexualized females therefore it’s fine for society to make fun of penis size.”",
">\n\nSociety? I don't see everyone (which represents society) doing it 😂 maybe you are focusing too much on negativity and that's all you see",
">\n\nSaying “small dick energy” is inherently a negative thing because it’s an insult. It also implies that there’s something bad about less endowed people because Tate is being compared to that demographic. \nWhen I say society, I mean that a decent percentage of people have “____ dick energy” built into their vocabulary to the point where the meaning of these terms is widely agreed on and it loses it’s direct connection to the penis. This doesn’t mean that the term is appropriate to use though since it originated from actual body shaming.",
">\n\nBattle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.",
">\n\nI think you should consider the situation at hand and less the use of insults as an absolute \nAndrew Tate absolutely deserves it",
">\n\nthe post its about the insult. \n\"Yeah I called this person a N... but lets focus on how bad that person is!!\"\nThe insult not only its very inflammatory (shows patriarcal estigmas,Its body shaming, reinforces toxic masculinity)\nIts also an extremely weak answer, its a groundless ad hominem. I would dare to argue the insult talks more about breta and his internalized toxic patriarcal estigmas than anything against tate.",
">\n\nGreta didn't start this. He was harassing her.",
">\n\n\"He started it\" -That's a toddler's excuse lmao",
">\n\nSo, in your opinion, Greta would have insulted him whether he had harassed her first, or not?",
">\n\nHer insulting him isn't the problem here. Its how she insulted him that's problematic.",
">\n\nWell, if he didn't want to be insulted, he could've done pretty much anything else with his time. I love the way you think people should be able to gatekeep how other people should hurt the feelings of people who are harassing them.",
">\n\nI'm not defending him or saying his feelings are hurt or that he doesn't deserve the insult. You're completely missing the point of this post and what we've been discussing. \n\"Body shaming is acceptable when it's directed at people we don't like\"- this is the hypocrisy that's being pointed out. It's not about who's better Tate or Greta but it's the bigger issue of shaming men's insecurities without any regard to their mental health. Do you get it now?",
">\n\nI think I do. It hadn't occurred to me that you might have a small penis. My apologies. Perhaps just as Greta Thurnberg travels the world as an advocate for awareness of Climate Change, you can break down the stereotype that people with small penises have energy. You should probably do as little as possible, though, since you don't want to be accused of having \"energy.\"",
">\n\nWasted my time replying after your \"he started it\" comment smh. Toddler mentality gugu gaga talk to me after you understand the issue.\nEdit: issue",
">\n\nI'm sorry about your peepee. But you have taught me not to trust stereotypes. And learning is fundamental.",
">\n\nI almost forgot. Please don't use the word toddler. It's offensive to small children.",
">\n\nFirst of all \"small dick energy\" shames the energy, not the small dick. It shames the fact to be insecure by your dick size (which is a metaphor for being insecure about your masculinity in general) and overcompensate by doing big manly stuff. It doesn't shame the fact to have a small dick.\nYou can argue that it is as bad, but it's important to understand that.",
">\n\nDon't be a cunt mate.",
">\n\nTechnically yes its body shaming but it's not that big a deal I think",
">\n\nIt has more to do with how they're acting rather than actual anatomy size.",
">\n\ncouple things: small dicks is one of the things about men that men tend to care about to an obsessive degree, that women do to a way lesser degree but pretend to, because men typically like to have a very braggadocious and obnoxious attitude about everything. this tate guy is that to the nth degree. so i mean if anyone deserves being called \"SDE\" its this tate guy \nsecond thing is that people who genuinely do have small dicks don't own that they have what they do; they lie about it. people who really do own that they have small dicks aren't made fun of for having them, because its not funny; the whole point is that you're lying about it and pretending like you're some big shot stud asshole, when you're not. if you own that you have a small dick, then ironically, you don't have \"SDE\"; you own what you have, you're not overcompensating and pretending to be something you're not. \nso if greta thunburg was to call, say, howard stern \"SDE\", a dude who owns that he has a small dick and makes fun of himself for it, then it wouldn't be funny. and howard stern even IS a braggadocious asshole. andrew tate is just wayyyyy more of one, and he pretend like he's god's gift to women. \nin general when it comes to \"oh poor men won't anybody think of the men\" i just cringe. i'm not the most liberal guy. but conservative guys just reappropriating the oppression olympics self-victimization shit and applying it to themselves is just pathetic.",
">\n\nSmall dick guy here... I always felt like guys like Howard Stern were compensating for it by self-loathing comedy. That's a big thing comedians do in general, and so to me it's always hard to say a guy truly doesn't care about it just because he's joking about it. On the other hand, maybe I'm just projecting, because I'll poke fun at my tiny pecker and not really care if someone makes fun of me for it, but it also does truly bother me a little bit when I hear things like, \"Oh that guy is an asshole, he must be mad because he has a tiny dick.\" Like... As if all us small guys are just furious that we aren't gonna win the dick-measuring contest that we let it affect our daily lives. It's a matter of extremes I think. I'm sure there's some guys with small ones that genuinely don't give a single fuck, and others who let it influence their entire lives, but I think most men with a small wang living in a society which implies that's a bad thing are going to end up somewhere in the middle of the scale.\nThe people I really feel bad for are the young people. Growing up with a small dick is a million times harder than being an adult with one. For the most part, nobody really cares if you're a grown man that's small, but when you're a teenager you feel like everybody cares. I had a really hard time wanting to pursue girls because of it, always worried about what their reaction would be, is they'd tell their girlfriends and it would get back to the other guys, etc. And that DOES happen... I remember being at the lunch table and someone saying, 'Did you hear Mike's dick is only x inches?\" and I'd be sitting there like, an inch shorter than Mike and pretending that I found it as funny as everyone else around the table. It didn't really hit me until I was much older that I probably wasn't the only one at the table doing that. Plus I always thought it was weird like, at least that was evidence \"Mike\" was getting some, why should he care if it was small? It wasn't until I got over it and had a few flings and girlfriends that I realized it made such a little difference (pun intended) than what I had built it up to in my mind.\nSo I mean... Yeah, I think some guys do truly have small dick energy, but all that means is they're insecure and I think it kind of sucks that people don't think about the feelings of people who had no part of the fight who get their feelings hurt as collateral damage, and that somehow just because of the douche the insult was leveled at we go, \"Haha you feel insecure about your body!\"\nOne thing it makes me think about that I'm guilty of is calling guys closet-cases. Yeah, I am just trying to point out they're overcompensating about things because they are ashamed of their sexuality, but I don't really take a pause and think, \"Wow, I bet that makes the people actually in the closet feel like shit.\" In some ways, I think it's even worse than just simple body shaming that as a society we're going around making fun of people for issues that could very well be deep seeded mental health issues, or could become so.",
">\n\nidk i just think that the only people being accused of having small dicks are people who are so obnoxious that it feels like they're compensating, like this guy. so sure its \"body shaming\", but a) body shaming is just something that happens that idk if we can ever really do anything about, because human beings value different body parts differently, and b) its only really shaming people because of their behavior, not their bodies. its shaming their behavior, by implying something about their bodies that would be embarrassing particularly for a person who is displaying this behavior, like tate does, because somebody that obsessed with getting chicks would probably be extremely concerned if people thought he had a small dick.",
">\n\nYeah that's the thing though, for me it really bothers me more that people think I'm going around being an asshole, driving a huge truck or otherwise trying to compensate just because my dick is small. I can also see the idea that it implies that having a small dick is bad. I mean just the idea that you can 'accuse' anyone of it implies there's something wrong with it.\nI mean, to me that's easier to hand-wave the idea that there's something wrong with it since I've had enough lived experience to know it doesn't matter. However, I feel like there's probably a lot of people out there who haven't who are still really hung up on it, particularly young people. I know I already brought up homosexuality, but it reminds me of when people use to say you shouldn't call things gay because it puts a negative connotation on homosexuality. Speaking of that, there's that phrase, \"It gets better,\" that is used to comfort/console LGTBQ youths and I think it should be applied to body-image issues too--whether that be penis size, breast size, weight, whatever. Looking back on my life, it was definitely the insecurities that negatively effected me far more than my actual size ever did. \nBut yeah I also feel like there's kind of a lot of people just trying to paint this as her being caught being a hypocrite or something, and I agree with you that I especially hate it when men frame it as some kind of, \"Oh look, see, we're oppressed too. So much for feminism!\" kind of argument.\nI guess I just see both sides of it.",
">\n\nVery well put. I honestly think you have changed some minds today. Hopefully more people stop and think before blindly defending someone they look up to.",
">\n\nI have a small dick, it's fine",
">\n\nThat's the point.",
">\n\nNo shit.",
">\n\n\"small dick energy\" isn't mocking someone for their penis size but for behaving in a way that they are compensating for insecurities and people like Tait measure their masculinity in \"I own cars\" is the epitome of trying to mask insecurities",
">\n\nI think the point about \"energy\" keeps being ignored. \nYou can have a small dick, but with thoughtfulness and confidence never have \"small dick energy\"\nYou can have a big schlong and be a needy jerkstore which gives you \"small dick energy\"\nAnd you can be like Andrew Tate and have a very small one and have \"small dick energy\" and be an absolute creepy, dumbass attention goblin.\nThe grand majority of people don't give a flip about the size of your dick. People with dicks care about the size of their own dick. It's the assumption that everyone cares as much as they do about their dick that's the real problem.",
">\n\nSo you agree the stereotype is false ..... and hurtful. If it's really an assumption as you say then people won't use \"tiny dick\" as an insult on people they don't like right? If no one really cares then there's no need to use it as an insult anyway right? Right??\nBut they do because it's socially acceptable to body shame men for some reason. Just see the tweet posts in other subs and their comments section laughing along, cheering her on and poking fun at men who have small penises and the stereotypes associated with such.",
">\n\nI don't know how old you are but like.\nSaying small dick energy actually has anything to do with the size of someone's dick is like culturally irrelevant.\nLike you can have a tiny dick and still have big dick energy and you can have a big dick and have small dick energy.\nBecause, Most people who need to project their insecurities are insulted by the size assumption.\nIt's more about the idea of insulting someone by saying they're just trying to project masculinity. This is the same reason why being in small dick energy is really used in all circles and not just as a male centered insult.\nLike buck and stud lesbians love the fuck out of that term.\nPeople with a small dick who get insulted by the general idea of small dick energy as an insult need to deal with their own insecurities.\nI'd much rather have a small dick than small dick energy.",
">\n\nIf the size is irrelevant, why associate being small with only negative traits and being big with only positive traits? You can't, and you could just say that being smaller makes you a bad person. It would be more honest. I'm sure people dealing with insecurities appreciate being associated with a human trafficker...",
">\n\nLike I said I have a small dick and would rather have a small dick than have small dick energy.\nThe whole point is that the only people who care about size are people who are easily insecure.\nIt's because they care the people making the jokes know that size doesn't matter and they're not making fun of people who have small dicks they're making fun of the people who care so much about what the size of their dick is that an influences their entire self worth.",
">\n\nThere are plenty of secure people who care about size. They are big, so they don't get made fun of. The people who make the jokes, whether they realize it or not, imply that small = bad person. It reinforces to insecure people that they are wrong for something that they have no control over and that people around them, including loved ones, would think lesser of them, because they probably would if they are making these jokes.",
">\n\nBro I'm not big and I'm pointing out that not everyone who has a small dick is insulted by the idea of small dick energy this really seems to be a you problem.",
">\n\nI'M pointing out that not everyone who is offended is a bad person, but people, like anyone defending this phrase, are just going to pretend to not understand because this is something people don't care if you make fun of, so this is just a waste of time.",
">\n\n\nNot everyone who is offended is a bad person\n\nYeah, they're just wrongly offended because they assume the intent of something from a community they are not a part of. This is happening more and more because of how the internet is working.\nIs like \"Okay Boomer\" wasn't actually about being born a boomer but about the Mindset of the generation.\nIt's the YOU and the other people offended who refuse to understand that \"Small Dick Energy\" isn't connected to you're actual dick size.",
">\n\nIf it's not connected to the dick size then why even phrase it as \"Small Dick Energy\"??\nYou're trying to alter the meaning of words to fit your narrative instead of seeing it for what it is: body shaming against men. Even in your interpretation of the phrase saying it's a mindset it's still wrong that it's equating a shitty mindset with people who have small dicks. Why is this so hard to understand?",
">\n\nBecause it's only the people who are so insecure about their dick size who would get offended by the thought of small dick energy being an insult so it's kind of like self-selecting.\nIt's like when women say I hate men if you're not a man who shitty to women you're not going to get offended by people saying that.\nWe're not making fun of people for having small dicks we're making fun of people for acting like anyone in society cares about the size of your dick.",
">\n\nYour first paragraph basically says that body shaming isn't offensive or hurtful because only people who are insecure will get hurt and offended. That's just wrong. Why? Because it's unnecessarily cruel and just pokes fun at people who are insecure and struggling with their body image. That's punching down on people and shaming them for no reason. \"Small dick energy\" jokes are a form of toxic masculinity and on brand with Tate but now it's legitimised by Greta who's supposed to be progressive and not hateful against people with insecurities. You see the hypocrisy and inconsistency here?\nI don't want to keep repeating myself. Give the top comments a good read and you'll get it.",
">\n\nDoubling down on this saying that also \"Big Dick Energy\" it's an objectification that implicitly disqualifies men who are not allegedly big. But since it's not aimed at women it's totally irrelevant in body shaming debate: you know, fat women must be accepted and regarded as beautiful, but short men? No thanks.",
">\n\nI think context is really important here. Since Andrew Tate is a one-dimensional moron who deserves to feel bad about himself, we know that he values a very surface-level perception of masculinity that is reflected by penis size.\nGenerally, I think making fun of small dicks is pointless, because a person's worth isn't determined by that. But if someone is loudly projecting that they think their worth is determined by that and also makes a living putting down an entire gender, it's fair game IMO.",
">\n\nShe basically proved the \"moron\"s point. Do you understand this? \nHe spews BS that masculinity is reflected by penis size ( having a small penis is shameful) and she basically goes on to insult him with that exact premise. Reinforcing the insult and body shaming people who have nothing to do with him or her. He could be vile and deserving of insults but the way he's insulted reinforces toxic masculinity, which is his entire freaking brand. \nHe has gained more attention and probably more followers now as men who feel left out and laughed at join his ranks making him richer and more influential than he deserves. It was a dumb reply on her part and should be criticized for such, not cheered on."
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?, Andrew tate entire brand its that you should be a "big dick" male alpha testosterone and shit. his answer its entirely in his character.
Great just reinforced his behaviour. <- thats the wrong part about insulting someone who is entire view promotes toxic masculinity by adding more fuel to that belief. in other words, reinforcing that there is something wrong with you if you have a small penis.
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"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult.",
">\n\nIt's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh.",
">\n\nHonestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV",
">\n\nPeople can make mistakes and this was one of them.. so we can all just criticize her reply fairly and move on. No need for acute mental gymnastics to defend her as this comments section is showing lmao.",
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">\n\nI don't think anyone is arguing it's not offensive. I'm pretty sure she was trying to offend insecure men. Apparently with great success.",
">\n\nShe was trying to offend men who were insecure about their body image?\nHow is that not body shaming?",
">\n\nIt is, but we playing the avoidance and rationalization game",
">\n\nbecause women invented \"small dick energy\"\nharsh, sad. but we go jim🗿",
">\n\nOP never mentioned women tho. Post is strictly about why it's offensive. Do you disagree that it's not offensive or you think it's a trivial matter to make fun of that men's mental health doesn't matter as much?",
">\n\nThe female equivalent is\n\"Loose Pussy Energy\".\nThe typical man-hate hypocrisy commonly going around is beyond obvious. And it is an attack on All men and boys not just some.",
">\n\nNot a disagreement per se, but also worth noting that it’s transphobic. Which is to say, it insults all men by reinforcing patriarchy and punching down to two groups of men.",
">\n\nShe said small dick energy. Not that he had a small dick (though, come on). She used that phrase BECAUSE it's Tate. She's not a moron.\nHe is, as evidenced by his life to this point and his two responses to Thunberg, which were epically pathetic, is a moron and didn't seem to get it, though he doesn't get a lot.",
">\n\nThis is worse than saying he has a small dick, because how would she know, and that would just be dismissed as stupid.\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\nI can't understand the mental gymnastics some people are doing to try and say this isn't body shaming.",
">\n\n\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\n\nI mean yeah -- kind of like how pussy is an insult denoting cowardice, cunt is an insult meaning basically, terrible, etc., \nShe used that on purpose. Are you making CMV every time you see someone calling someone else a pussy?",
">\n\nPussy is kind of already known to be a shitty gendered insult so it doesn't need a CMV. In this case, Greta's gendered \"having a small penis is bad\" tweet is massively amplified, reached r/all on a shitload of subs, etc. so some discussion about whether or not that is cool is warranted",
">\n\nSmall dick energy isn’t about having a small dick tho. It’s a reflection of an attitude that men who are offensive, aggressive, nasty to people are overcompensating for their insecurities. A small dick doesn’t mean you won’t be able to find a partner or that you’re any less of a man. Being a downright trash bag of a human to others, like in this instance where an internet edgelord is cyber bullying a teenager on the internet who is fighting for the survival of our planet/humanity is an example of this trash behavior, is more of a determining factor. \nYou can also have a small dick but have big dick energy, as it’s reflective of who you are as a person. It’s an attitude. It’s who you choose to be to yourself and others. Hell, there’s women who use the term that they have big dick energy and I can tell you those women’s dicks are none existent so therefore size isn’t a thing. \nNo one should be made fun of for something they had no control over. The worth of a man is not tied to the size of his penis. Although, toxic masculinity and shallow people will tell you different. They say the same for disabled people, fat people etc. There’s plenty of people who are not “conventional standards of beauty” which is the majority of us, that lead happy, healthy relationships. Those relationships start with yourself and understanding your worth as a person isn’t tied to what you look like or how big your junk is. \nThe point is if you choose to be a trash person like Tate, where your self worth is tied into how cruel/offensive you can be to other people, don’t be mad if people call you out for that trashy attitude. Your post definitely reeks of “men are the true victims” when clearly you didn’t seem to have a problem with a grown man cyber bullying a teenager.",
">\n\nI like how you imply that OP is a fan of a literal human trafficker because they point out that a body-shaming insult is body-shaming. Do you understand why associating a trait of someone's body with negative personality traits is bad?",
">\n\nNo because people like this always have exceptions that allow them to use the things they complain about. Cognitive gymnastics allows them to recognise shaming women and people of colour is bad, because society will eat them otherwise, but when someone shows up who deserves a bit of a roasting all of their social etiquette rules go out the window and the excuses come out as to why in this context it doesn't count.\n\"Ahh no, here it is a reflection of an attitude\" blah blah 3 paragraphs later and we've clouded over the simple fact that body shaming is body shaming and harms people you weren't intending to insult.",
">\n\nPeople like this? You’re assuming things about me because I am a character in your mind not a real person. I am not a monolith. We should not be body shaming people. I am explaining the other side of this issue and why people use these terms. You never asked if I use these same terms in my life. You assumed I do. I don’t. You didn’t even bother to read my response because if you did you would have realized this.",
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">\n\nYou can have smol pp but big pp energy and vice versa",
">\n\nSo why is the phrase small dick energy if it has nothing to do with having a small dick?",
">\n\nIdk man, I just work here.",
">\n\nYou know why. Lol cause small dick is associated with bad. And by insulting dicks you use this knowledge to offend, at the cost of body shaming people. \nStop feigning dumb just to avoid the reasoning lol",
">\n\nI can see how it would be offensive, and I wouldn’t use it myself. I feel like the phrase refers more to how someone acts as opposed to how they are endowed. And how it’s behavior and actions that make people think down of you not your penis.",
">\n\nPoint is that we, as a society, should encourage better insults that attack the comments of the person without necessarily having to equate it to something someone with a small dick.",
">\n\nWould you agree with me, that if Andrew clapped back with one of those that the internet would be up in arms about it?",
">\n\nYou mean the way that you are, here, on the internet, up in arms?",
">\n\nIm one person on reddit, theres no major backlash like there would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\nSee, what's happening here is that you are also looking at people who are \"one person on Reddit\" and pretending it's a major backlash. Andrew Tate says fucked up things about women all the time (in fact, it's kind of his whole schtick) and it's as much of a non-event as this is.",
">\n\nPlease link me to something fucked up hes said about women, and ill agree with you, two wrongs don't make a right.",
">\n\nHere's exhibit A.",
">\n\nSure I agree with you he has said fucked up stuff about women, it doesn't mean its okay to make a joke about small dick energy.\nDo you understand my point?",
">\n\nWe understand, it's just that your point is fucking stupid",
">\n\nYou have no idea what his point is, it's funny that people on this thread OP and others actually like Andrew Tate.\nIt proves that everyone is completely frothingly tribalistic with zero nuance.",
">\n\nIf someone is behaving insufferably, people are going to laugh at them for things that they wouldn’t find funny if it happened to someone they liked.\nFor example, is it funny when people go bankrupt? No. Would it be funny if someone like Andrew Tate went bankrupt after boasting about Bugattis and all of his mass wealth? Yes. This doesn’t mean people who would make fun of him for that are making fun of poverty or all people who lose their livelihoods, it would just be funny if it happened to that particular person. \nIn the same way, the idea that Tate does all the douchey, over the top macho things that he does in order to compensate for having a small penis is funny, whilst it not being funny to make fun of every person who has a small penis.",
">\n\nSubstitute fat. Is that ok?",
">\n\nDepends on what the fat person is doing. If the person is minding their own business then no, if the fat person is attacking other people’s appearances then yeah go for it.",
">\n\nInteresting take. Might want to play with that a bit. A lot of situations where your reasoning falls apart.",
">\n\nPeople insulted Trump for being fat when he tried to say he was like the most fit person ever. People make fun of Elon Musk's body. You can make the same type of insult to two different people and it come off two different ways. \nWhen you make your identity or argument around something it opens up certain insults and comebacks. \nTate's whole thing is trying to act like this \"alpha male\" when in reality he's a sex trafficking weirdo who pays women to hang out with him. It's totally fine to insult him with a childish insult. \nI also find that people worried or mad about this don't actually care about body image issues. They just want a gotcha moment for people. Because many would have shitty takes about fat people or whine about pc culture.",
">\n\nWhen you call some MF that doesn't necessarily mean you are a MF... I'm not saying it's okay to say abusing words but we still do use them.\nI don't think she said it in literal terms, it was completely literary. Also she only said it cause it was Tate who she said it to. Also if a woman has small tits and someone said to someone else that they have small tits energy, I don't think one who actually has small tits would mind it, cause she is not involved and it's kinda perfect way of irritating Tate.. cause he really cares about these things. \nWhen it comes to increasing the insecurity of someone who actually has small D and is insecure about it... She couldn't think so far cause all she wanted was to irritate Tate and she was successful",
">\n\nI don't think it even irritated him if that was her goal but definitely helped him with popularity. It just proves what he says people think of insecure men, it just moves them to him and he gains more influence. It was an ignorant reply in poor taste. Someone with much following and influence as Greta shouldn't be as irresponsible and the followers shouldn't be having to do mental gymnastics to defend her instead of seeing it as it is: body shaming against men.",
">\n\nIs this some kind of weird meta-game? Are Andrew Tate fans pretending to actually be offended by this stupid insult to prove a point? Does anybody actually think her retort was any sharper than a brick wrapped in a wet blanket?\nWhat is going on here?!",
">\n\n\nWhat is going on here?!\n\nAndrew Tate fans have a lot of small dick energy. That's whats going on.",
">\n\nWhy are people not allowed dislike tate (he's an absolute idiot and a grifter) and also to criticize obvious body shaming from a supposed progressive? If Biden started talking about \"N*gger energy\" criticizing Kanye for antisemitism, would that be ok in your eyes? Would you say that a black guy who doesn't like that must be an angry Kanye fan? Or is it disgustingly offensive towards all African Americans to use that type of language no matter what?",
">\n\nBecause it suits their narrative to frame it as if people are just defending tate. It's easier than just actually defending body shaming. Done deal.",
">\n\nI think Greta used that phrase not because she actually believes or wants to promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior, but because people like Andrew Tate believe and promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior. If Andrew Tate gets hurt because Greta says he has small dick energy, then maybe -- just maybe, with the tiniest bit of introspection -- he'll come to realize how hateful some of his language is.\nBullies like Andrew Tate don't really respond to logic or pleas for sympathy. The only way to maybe make them understand the hurt they cause is to inflict it on them, because they don't care about anyone but themselves. \nSo instead of putting the cart before the horse and blaming Greta for using an offensive phrase as an argumentative tactic, maybe blame the people who use the phrase to actually demean people.",
">\n\nCan we substitute fat instead and be justified?",
">\n\nYes people did that with Trump when he claimed to be the fittest person ever basically. If someone has a habit of insulting people a certain way or making certain claims then they open themselves up to specific insults. \nSometimes we'd find those insults not tasteful if said to other people. But I feel like most people equating this to fat insults don't actually care about fat people. A lot of people would also be like oh things are getting too pc or soft or woke when it comes to body positivity towards fat people. So for me it's hard to buy this line of reasoning as being truly valid or caring.",
">\n\nNo one said it has to be authentic caring. This sub is for exploring the intellectual arguments. Your perception of how authentic someone’s feelings towards fat people is basically irrelevant. Argue the point or don’t. Passing your authenticity test is a wierd standard to try to argue for.",
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">\n\nYes, making insults is offensive. That's the point.\nInsults that reference a body part are also offensive to people who are insecure about that body part. That's also kinda obvious.\nWhat do you want your mind changed about here? I'm unclear about what you think can be discussed about an insult meant to be insulting. Are you arguing that this insult is especially wrong in some way?\nHow is this not just you soapboxing?",
">\n\nThere's a reason as a society we don't use insults like \"retard\". This is in the same vein. You're attributing a negative thing with a man having a small penis. This is harmful as it perpetuates the stigma surrounding penis size which is outside ones control. Essentially it degrades a group of people who have nothing to do with it. OP wants to know whether or not this is reconciled. Reading the comments... It has not been. \nMaking gendered insults doesn't bother me truthfully but I can understand the frustration OP is expressing because were it to be a man making some edgy reference to a woman's lady parts being inadequate as a way to demean them then everyone would be outraged as opposed to cheering it on.",
">\n\nUsing “small dick” as an insult, or “loose pussy” isn’t really offensive unless you are insecure about the physical viability of your reproductive organs. \nBut, that doesn’t make it funny. It’s a really juvenile and uncreative way of ridiculing someone.",
">\n\nInsecure women are offended when they're fat shamed.\nIt's still body shaming.\nIt's still wrong.",
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">\n\nGuy randomly decides to flex on her by saying I HAVE CARS AND I LIKE TO GO VROOOOM. It's like when Piers decides that it's absolutely important to eat meat in front of vegans. It's not about penis size. It's just that smalldickenergy is a perfect explanation of why would someone decide to behave like this.",
">\n\nShe is 19. Maybe in a few years she will have more mature insults. It’s a lot of pressure to be put on someone so young to also say the perfect thing all the time",
">\n\nUnder nearly all circumstances, I agree with you.\nHowever, for a lot of people who have built a cult of personality around any given ideal, insults of the inoffensive type are completely commonplace. All they have to do is fend off one or two instances of this PG rated attacks, strawman them, call them snowflakes, and their following is bolstered and enhanced. Instead of having any negative effect, it becomes part of their inherent power.\nSometimes if you want to rattle a cult leader you have to hit with precision their most critical weakness and watch them implode. The fact that Tate is squirming so hard and doing everything he can to reclaim some of his dignity after Greta's clapback means that she has his number. Great isn't saying that having a small dick is bad, but knowing that Tate's entire personality is built about being an alpha male and that calling into question the size of his member will hurt him the most is what she was after. \nOf course, it wasn't classy and could be offensive to some. But as the saying goes, sometimes you have to fight fire with fire.",
">\n\nReally is he squirming? \nHe's rich he's popular and now he's gotten someone he disagrees with to repeat his ideology and platform spreading it to a wider audience. \nI'd argue he's happy for the attention and popularity that she's given to him now and enjoying the increased sales in his business as more men who feel marginalized and left out join him seeing this hypocrisy playing out. Not to mention all the political players( internationally) who were against climate action seeing all this and aligning themselves appropriately, possibly propping him up and making him something more than what he actually is- An ignorant troll. \nEngage with a troll and you only give them more power. The tweet was dumb and people should know better.\nEdit: spacing",
">\n\nI'm not commenting on whether or not his fans will like him more or if the controversy will inadvertently grant him a wider audience. \nI'm commenting that Greta knew exactly where and how to hit him the hardest. Yes, he is definitely squirming. He has scrambled out half a dozen prepubescent \"I know you are but what am I\" tweets. Then he went and made the absolute cringiest response video. He's incensed by being talked down to by Greta and is overcompensating. \nDid her tweet have any net positive effect on society? No. Did it ruffle Tate's feathers and make his blood boil? Yea. Would he have even cared if she called him a misogynistic prick? Absolutely not. He would have just told her to sit down and shut up, that misogyny is made up by inferior women blah blah blah...\nInstead, his insecurities are eating him alive.",
">\n\nWhy even respond and give him attention that he so desperately craves? And why body shame men in the process? \nIf she didn't have a better insult she could have just went on with her life instead of helping him grow. Using \"small dick energy\" as an insult means implicitly we agree that people with small penises are inferior and undesirable. That's basically what Tate is on about ( Toxic masculinity). And by laughing at her tweet we all reinforce that perception. Do you get that? \nSick of double standards and hypocrisy. At least people should have the courage to own up and acknowledge it then move on instead of doubling down and performing mental gymnastics to justify an obvious case of body shaming.\nI agree with you on one thing that the net effect on society because of this tweet exchange is negative and only serves the people who Greta and her followers hate.",
">\n\nI think you are missing what I am saying. I fully agree that it wasn't necessary nor was it the right thing for Greta to do. I also agree that it just gives him attention and was overall a useless venture other for the entertainment of Tate haters.\nOP asked why it is okay. I stated that it isn't okay but that I understand why Greta took that road rather than the suggested non-offensive approach. It is because he's immune to it. What he isn't immune to is his masculinity and ego being questioned. What is the point of the Wolf continuing to blow on the brick house? None. To get to the scared little piggies inside he needs a jackhammer. \nAnd it worked exactly how she planned it to. He was rattled and anyone who hates Tate is amused. \nNot saying it's the right thing to do, nor do I want anyone to feel ashamed of the size of their penis.",
">\n\nOk.. thanks for elaborating on that. I misunderstood your comment as a disagreement and engaged to try and change your mind but seems we share the same view.",
">\n\nYou do not know what Greta is \"fully aware\" of. She is referring to character and behaviour, why are you taking this personally? She isn't speaking to you, hasn't seen you, doesn't know you. I don't know why you are externalizing your issue like this and waving it around in public, is it our responsibility to fix this for you?\nShe was just making a tiny joke. Relax. smalldickenergy @ getalife .com is hilarious.",
">\n\nAside from everything else, it's men who started the 'big dick energy' idiocy so to then complain when someone uses their own stupidity against them...",
">\n\nYeah because men are a monolith and we all meet in a room and know each other smh.",
">\n\nThey’re saying it’s offensive to more than just Andrew Tate",
">\n\nYeah but again, ISN'T THE PURPOSE",
">\n\nWhat do you mean again? You didn’t say that before. And why does the purpose matter? You can do a bad thing without meaning to.",
">\n\nI meant to say isn't that the purpose lol mb",
">\n\nOh lol I probably should have realized that. But I think the point of the insult was to offend Andrew Tate.",
">\n\nFair. Trying to not say anything about him one way or another so I don't get downvoted to hell.",
">\n\nGreta lost that argument. She literally has like a hundred things Tate has said and done she could attack. Easy target... The one thing she chose to do is to body shame the man. It's just name calling. It's not a refutation of Tate. If anything it makes her sound stupid for her inability to come up with a refutation.",
">\n\nExactly. But people are just cheering her on and laughing along without grasping the nuance of the situation.",
">\n\nI think you are kinda missing the point. People know it offensive. The issue is that they don't care.",
">\n\nPeople used to make fun of small tits all the time. Remember the 90s? Remember the itty bitty titty committee? I don't know if that's a thing any more, but skinny women with no butts are definitely not seen as attractive. It's not fair. It's not their fault. People need to stop shaming themselves and eachother, and accept all bodies. Until then, \"small dick energy\" won't cease to be an insult. I guess the difference is people are sort of \"punching up\" since it's always been people with dicks who have the power in this world. I've never heard a dude say that another dude has \"small dick energy.\" It's always a woman saying that. Either way I think it's dumb but I get it. I've always thought \"Karen\" was a dumb insult too. Not someone's fault they were named Karen, LOL.",
">\n\nAndrew insulted her. He was asking for this insult. She was totally in the right. She wasn’t trying to shame anyone else. You’re asking for this insult too.",
">\n\nIsn't it more offensive for small pp folk, that there is a guy who base his entire existence on top of an argument that being an alpha, prime male is the most important thing in the world, and you need to be a testosterone bomb gorilla to have any kind of value. Isn't that argument disregards small dick guys in the first place?",
">\n\nAnd Greta just reinforced it with her reply. Do you see the problem now?\nEdit:replaced \"comment\" with \"reply\"",
">\n\nI believe I've already made a statement about what the problem is.",
">\n\nThen do you understand why Greta's reply is offensive and playing into Andrew Tate's hands?",
">\n\nLol this is twitter. There is no playing into each other's hands. Get outside.",
">\n\nOh look. Greta is human. Someone who spent a lot of her growing up time trying to educate people.\nIf she was in a bar and some doofus made a pass, she's just asserting herself. Age and context. Good on her.",
">\n\nIt is actually been studied. Men with small penises actually do have less energy- testosterone or something.",
">\n\nBeing offended by anything is each person's individual choice. If something is offensive to you, then simply choose to not be offended by it. It's truly that simple.",
">\n\nSo there is no such thing as hate speech?",
">\n\nNo, I didn't say that. Someone can certainly say something to someone that they hate with words that they feel will harm them mentally. That is \"hate speech\". The point I was trying to make is that we all as individuals have the choice to react to whatever someone says in whatever way we choose to react. If I feel offended by something that someone is saying, it is my choice to be offended by it.",
">\n\nI pretty much agree, but now we come to who decides. Does the person doing the talking decide whether it is hate speech? Or the person being talked at?",
">\n\nThere is no decision. The person who is talking thinks that what they are saying is not hateful, or they do. The person being talked at thinks that what the other person is saying is hateful, or they don't. The point is that it only matters if you make it matter to you. For example, if I say you are the dumbest person on earth, am I committing the crime of hate speech? Are you the dumbest person on earth? Probably not. But maybe I believe that you are. Does that make it true? If so, then it's not hate speech it's the truth...to me. If you, personally, believe that you are not the dumbest person on earth, then why would you concern yourself with what my dumbass has to say? To you, I'm the dumbest person on earth. I hope I'm getting my point across here.",
">\n\nSo we agree then? No laws regarding hate speech at all. You just ignore it and move on.",
">\n\nYes, sir.",
">\n\nYup",
">\n\nWhat if I say that I am offended that you are offended that you say \"small dick energy\" is offensive to men that are insecure about their size? Say I'm a man with a huge, massive dong. Say it's been a huge issue for me all my life. Let's say, hypothetically, that I am hugely insecure about the massive size of my dong and it's given me problems all my life. Every time I, hypothetically, go for a jog it's constantly flopping all over the place chaffing up my leg. Every time I have sex it's always this huge issue and only like half of the thing can go in before the receiver is like \"oh my god, stop, that's too much!\" Every time I receive oral sex, anything more than an inch beyond the tip causes a gag reflex. Does that sound exciting to you? Here you are bragging about your completely normal sized penis and all your normal sized penis sex and here this hypothetical person with a huge massive dong has all these issues. I can see how a hypothetical person with this debilitating issue would take offense that you take offense.",
">\n\nShe's an edgelord",
">\n\nreddit",
">\n\nSounds like a skill issue",
">\n\nDo you really get that offended? It's not like males themselves haven't sexualized females and their bodies and have said even worse and more common things about them? But we get offended over sum small? pun intended",
">\n\n“Some males have sexualized females therefore it’s fine for society to make fun of penis size.”",
">\n\nSociety? I don't see everyone (which represents society) doing it 😂 maybe you are focusing too much on negativity and that's all you see",
">\n\nSaying “small dick energy” is inherently a negative thing because it’s an insult. It also implies that there’s something bad about less endowed people because Tate is being compared to that demographic. \nWhen I say society, I mean that a decent percentage of people have “____ dick energy” built into their vocabulary to the point where the meaning of these terms is widely agreed on and it loses it’s direct connection to the penis. This doesn’t mean that the term is appropriate to use though since it originated from actual body shaming.",
">\n\nBattle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.",
">\n\nI think you should consider the situation at hand and less the use of insults as an absolute \nAndrew Tate absolutely deserves it",
">\n\nthe post its about the insult. \n\"Yeah I called this person a N... but lets focus on how bad that person is!!\"\nThe insult not only its very inflammatory (shows patriarcal estigmas,Its body shaming, reinforces toxic masculinity)\nIts also an extremely weak answer, its a groundless ad hominem. I would dare to argue the insult talks more about breta and his internalized toxic patriarcal estigmas than anything against tate.",
">\n\nGreta didn't start this. He was harassing her.",
">\n\n\"He started it\" -That's a toddler's excuse lmao",
">\n\nSo, in your opinion, Greta would have insulted him whether he had harassed her first, or not?",
">\n\nHer insulting him isn't the problem here. Its how she insulted him that's problematic.",
">\n\nWell, if he didn't want to be insulted, he could've done pretty much anything else with his time. I love the way you think people should be able to gatekeep how other people should hurt the feelings of people who are harassing them.",
">\n\nI'm not defending him or saying his feelings are hurt or that he doesn't deserve the insult. You're completely missing the point of this post and what we've been discussing. \n\"Body shaming is acceptable when it's directed at people we don't like\"- this is the hypocrisy that's being pointed out. It's not about who's better Tate or Greta but it's the bigger issue of shaming men's insecurities without any regard to their mental health. Do you get it now?",
">\n\nI think I do. It hadn't occurred to me that you might have a small penis. My apologies. Perhaps just as Greta Thurnberg travels the world as an advocate for awareness of Climate Change, you can break down the stereotype that people with small penises have energy. You should probably do as little as possible, though, since you don't want to be accused of having \"energy.\"",
">\n\nWasted my time replying after your \"he started it\" comment smh. Toddler mentality gugu gaga talk to me after you understand the issue.\nEdit: issue",
">\n\nI'm sorry about your peepee. But you have taught me not to trust stereotypes. And learning is fundamental.",
">\n\nI almost forgot. Please don't use the word toddler. It's offensive to small children.",
">\n\nFirst of all \"small dick energy\" shames the energy, not the small dick. It shames the fact to be insecure by your dick size (which is a metaphor for being insecure about your masculinity in general) and overcompensate by doing big manly stuff. It doesn't shame the fact to have a small dick.\nYou can argue that it is as bad, but it's important to understand that.",
">\n\nDon't be a cunt mate.",
">\n\nTechnically yes its body shaming but it's not that big a deal I think",
">\n\nIt has more to do with how they're acting rather than actual anatomy size.",
">\n\ncouple things: small dicks is one of the things about men that men tend to care about to an obsessive degree, that women do to a way lesser degree but pretend to, because men typically like to have a very braggadocious and obnoxious attitude about everything. this tate guy is that to the nth degree. so i mean if anyone deserves being called \"SDE\" its this tate guy \nsecond thing is that people who genuinely do have small dicks don't own that they have what they do; they lie about it. people who really do own that they have small dicks aren't made fun of for having them, because its not funny; the whole point is that you're lying about it and pretending like you're some big shot stud asshole, when you're not. if you own that you have a small dick, then ironically, you don't have \"SDE\"; you own what you have, you're not overcompensating and pretending to be something you're not. \nso if greta thunburg was to call, say, howard stern \"SDE\", a dude who owns that he has a small dick and makes fun of himself for it, then it wouldn't be funny. and howard stern even IS a braggadocious asshole. andrew tate is just wayyyyy more of one, and he pretend like he's god's gift to women. \nin general when it comes to \"oh poor men won't anybody think of the men\" i just cringe. i'm not the most liberal guy. but conservative guys just reappropriating the oppression olympics self-victimization shit and applying it to themselves is just pathetic.",
">\n\nSmall dick guy here... I always felt like guys like Howard Stern were compensating for it by self-loathing comedy. That's a big thing comedians do in general, and so to me it's always hard to say a guy truly doesn't care about it just because he's joking about it. On the other hand, maybe I'm just projecting, because I'll poke fun at my tiny pecker and not really care if someone makes fun of me for it, but it also does truly bother me a little bit when I hear things like, \"Oh that guy is an asshole, he must be mad because he has a tiny dick.\" Like... As if all us small guys are just furious that we aren't gonna win the dick-measuring contest that we let it affect our daily lives. It's a matter of extremes I think. I'm sure there's some guys with small ones that genuinely don't give a single fuck, and others who let it influence their entire lives, but I think most men with a small wang living in a society which implies that's a bad thing are going to end up somewhere in the middle of the scale.\nThe people I really feel bad for are the young people. Growing up with a small dick is a million times harder than being an adult with one. For the most part, nobody really cares if you're a grown man that's small, but when you're a teenager you feel like everybody cares. I had a really hard time wanting to pursue girls because of it, always worried about what their reaction would be, is they'd tell their girlfriends and it would get back to the other guys, etc. And that DOES happen... I remember being at the lunch table and someone saying, 'Did you hear Mike's dick is only x inches?\" and I'd be sitting there like, an inch shorter than Mike and pretending that I found it as funny as everyone else around the table. It didn't really hit me until I was much older that I probably wasn't the only one at the table doing that. Plus I always thought it was weird like, at least that was evidence \"Mike\" was getting some, why should he care if it was small? It wasn't until I got over it and had a few flings and girlfriends that I realized it made such a little difference (pun intended) than what I had built it up to in my mind.\nSo I mean... Yeah, I think some guys do truly have small dick energy, but all that means is they're insecure and I think it kind of sucks that people don't think about the feelings of people who had no part of the fight who get their feelings hurt as collateral damage, and that somehow just because of the douche the insult was leveled at we go, \"Haha you feel insecure about your body!\"\nOne thing it makes me think about that I'm guilty of is calling guys closet-cases. Yeah, I am just trying to point out they're overcompensating about things because they are ashamed of their sexuality, but I don't really take a pause and think, \"Wow, I bet that makes the people actually in the closet feel like shit.\" In some ways, I think it's even worse than just simple body shaming that as a society we're going around making fun of people for issues that could very well be deep seeded mental health issues, or could become so.",
">\n\nidk i just think that the only people being accused of having small dicks are people who are so obnoxious that it feels like they're compensating, like this guy. so sure its \"body shaming\", but a) body shaming is just something that happens that idk if we can ever really do anything about, because human beings value different body parts differently, and b) its only really shaming people because of their behavior, not their bodies. its shaming their behavior, by implying something about their bodies that would be embarrassing particularly for a person who is displaying this behavior, like tate does, because somebody that obsessed with getting chicks would probably be extremely concerned if people thought he had a small dick.",
">\n\nYeah that's the thing though, for me it really bothers me more that people think I'm going around being an asshole, driving a huge truck or otherwise trying to compensate just because my dick is small. I can also see the idea that it implies that having a small dick is bad. I mean just the idea that you can 'accuse' anyone of it implies there's something wrong with it.\nI mean, to me that's easier to hand-wave the idea that there's something wrong with it since I've had enough lived experience to know it doesn't matter. However, I feel like there's probably a lot of people out there who haven't who are still really hung up on it, particularly young people. I know I already brought up homosexuality, but it reminds me of when people use to say you shouldn't call things gay because it puts a negative connotation on homosexuality. Speaking of that, there's that phrase, \"It gets better,\" that is used to comfort/console LGTBQ youths and I think it should be applied to body-image issues too--whether that be penis size, breast size, weight, whatever. Looking back on my life, it was definitely the insecurities that negatively effected me far more than my actual size ever did. \nBut yeah I also feel like there's kind of a lot of people just trying to paint this as her being caught being a hypocrite or something, and I agree with you that I especially hate it when men frame it as some kind of, \"Oh look, see, we're oppressed too. So much for feminism!\" kind of argument.\nI guess I just see both sides of it.",
">\n\nVery well put. I honestly think you have changed some minds today. Hopefully more people stop and think before blindly defending someone they look up to.",
">\n\nI have a small dick, it's fine",
">\n\nThat's the point.",
">\n\nNo shit.",
">\n\n\"small dick energy\" isn't mocking someone for their penis size but for behaving in a way that they are compensating for insecurities and people like Tait measure their masculinity in \"I own cars\" is the epitome of trying to mask insecurities",
">\n\nI think the point about \"energy\" keeps being ignored. \nYou can have a small dick, but with thoughtfulness and confidence never have \"small dick energy\"\nYou can have a big schlong and be a needy jerkstore which gives you \"small dick energy\"\nAnd you can be like Andrew Tate and have a very small one and have \"small dick energy\" and be an absolute creepy, dumbass attention goblin.\nThe grand majority of people don't give a flip about the size of your dick. People with dicks care about the size of their own dick. It's the assumption that everyone cares as much as they do about their dick that's the real problem.",
">\n\nSo you agree the stereotype is false ..... and hurtful. If it's really an assumption as you say then people won't use \"tiny dick\" as an insult on people they don't like right? If no one really cares then there's no need to use it as an insult anyway right? Right??\nBut they do because it's socially acceptable to body shame men for some reason. Just see the tweet posts in other subs and their comments section laughing along, cheering her on and poking fun at men who have small penises and the stereotypes associated with such.",
">\n\nI don't know how old you are but like.\nSaying small dick energy actually has anything to do with the size of someone's dick is like culturally irrelevant.\nLike you can have a tiny dick and still have big dick energy and you can have a big dick and have small dick energy.\nBecause, Most people who need to project their insecurities are insulted by the size assumption.\nIt's more about the idea of insulting someone by saying they're just trying to project masculinity. This is the same reason why being in small dick energy is really used in all circles and not just as a male centered insult.\nLike buck and stud lesbians love the fuck out of that term.\nPeople with a small dick who get insulted by the general idea of small dick energy as an insult need to deal with their own insecurities.\nI'd much rather have a small dick than small dick energy.",
">\n\nIf the size is irrelevant, why associate being small with only negative traits and being big with only positive traits? You can't, and you could just say that being smaller makes you a bad person. It would be more honest. I'm sure people dealing with insecurities appreciate being associated with a human trafficker...",
">\n\nLike I said I have a small dick and would rather have a small dick than have small dick energy.\nThe whole point is that the only people who care about size are people who are easily insecure.\nIt's because they care the people making the jokes know that size doesn't matter and they're not making fun of people who have small dicks they're making fun of the people who care so much about what the size of their dick is that an influences their entire self worth.",
">\n\nThere are plenty of secure people who care about size. They are big, so they don't get made fun of. The people who make the jokes, whether they realize it or not, imply that small = bad person. It reinforces to insecure people that they are wrong for something that they have no control over and that people around them, including loved ones, would think lesser of them, because they probably would if they are making these jokes.",
">\n\nBro I'm not big and I'm pointing out that not everyone who has a small dick is insulted by the idea of small dick energy this really seems to be a you problem.",
">\n\nI'M pointing out that not everyone who is offended is a bad person, but people, like anyone defending this phrase, are just going to pretend to not understand because this is something people don't care if you make fun of, so this is just a waste of time.",
">\n\n\nNot everyone who is offended is a bad person\n\nYeah, they're just wrongly offended because they assume the intent of something from a community they are not a part of. This is happening more and more because of how the internet is working.\nIs like \"Okay Boomer\" wasn't actually about being born a boomer but about the Mindset of the generation.\nIt's the YOU and the other people offended who refuse to understand that \"Small Dick Energy\" isn't connected to you're actual dick size.",
">\n\nIf it's not connected to the dick size then why even phrase it as \"Small Dick Energy\"??\nYou're trying to alter the meaning of words to fit your narrative instead of seeing it for what it is: body shaming against men. Even in your interpretation of the phrase saying it's a mindset it's still wrong that it's equating a shitty mindset with people who have small dicks. Why is this so hard to understand?",
">\n\nBecause it's only the people who are so insecure about their dick size who would get offended by the thought of small dick energy being an insult so it's kind of like self-selecting.\nIt's like when women say I hate men if you're not a man who shitty to women you're not going to get offended by people saying that.\nWe're not making fun of people for having small dicks we're making fun of people for acting like anyone in society cares about the size of your dick.",
">\n\nYour first paragraph basically says that body shaming isn't offensive or hurtful because only people who are insecure will get hurt and offended. That's just wrong. Why? Because it's unnecessarily cruel and just pokes fun at people who are insecure and struggling with their body image. That's punching down on people and shaming them for no reason. \"Small dick energy\" jokes are a form of toxic masculinity and on brand with Tate but now it's legitimised by Greta who's supposed to be progressive and not hateful against people with insecurities. You see the hypocrisy and inconsistency here?\nI don't want to keep repeating myself. Give the top comments a good read and you'll get it.",
">\n\nDoubling down on this saying that also \"Big Dick Energy\" it's an objectification that implicitly disqualifies men who are not allegedly big. But since it's not aimed at women it's totally irrelevant in body shaming debate: you know, fat women must be accepted and regarded as beautiful, but short men? No thanks.",
">\n\nI think context is really important here. Since Andrew Tate is a one-dimensional moron who deserves to feel bad about himself, we know that he values a very surface-level perception of masculinity that is reflected by penis size.\nGenerally, I think making fun of small dicks is pointless, because a person's worth isn't determined by that. But if someone is loudly projecting that they think their worth is determined by that and also makes a living putting down an entire gender, it's fair game IMO.",
">\n\nShe basically proved the \"moron\"s point. Do you understand this? \nHe spews BS that masculinity is reflected by penis size ( having a small penis is shameful) and she basically goes on to insult him with that exact premise. Reinforcing the insult and body shaming people who have nothing to do with him or her. He could be vile and deserving of insults but the way he's insulted reinforces toxic masculinity, which is his entire freaking brand. \nHe has gained more attention and probably more followers now as men who feel left out and laughed at join his ranks making him richer and more influential than he deserves. It was a dumb reply on her part and should be criticized for such, not cheered on.",
">\n\nThis post has small dick energy"
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He literally used it as an insult. If OP has an issue with small dick energy, specifically saying small dick is just even worse.
As such if Greta is bad, Tate was even worse.
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"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult.",
">\n\nIt's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh.",
">\n\nHonestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV",
">\n\nPeople can make mistakes and this was one of them.. so we can all just criticize her reply fairly and move on. No need for acute mental gymnastics to defend her as this comments section is showing lmao.",
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">\n\nI don't think anyone is arguing it's not offensive. I'm pretty sure she was trying to offend insecure men. Apparently with great success.",
">\n\nShe was trying to offend men who were insecure about their body image?\nHow is that not body shaming?",
">\n\nIt is, but we playing the avoidance and rationalization game",
">\n\nbecause women invented \"small dick energy\"\nharsh, sad. but we go jim🗿",
">\n\nOP never mentioned women tho. Post is strictly about why it's offensive. Do you disagree that it's not offensive or you think it's a trivial matter to make fun of that men's mental health doesn't matter as much?",
">\n\nThe female equivalent is\n\"Loose Pussy Energy\".\nThe typical man-hate hypocrisy commonly going around is beyond obvious. And it is an attack on All men and boys not just some.",
">\n\nNot a disagreement per se, but also worth noting that it’s transphobic. Which is to say, it insults all men by reinforcing patriarchy and punching down to two groups of men.",
">\n\nShe said small dick energy. Not that he had a small dick (though, come on). She used that phrase BECAUSE it's Tate. She's not a moron.\nHe is, as evidenced by his life to this point and his two responses to Thunberg, which were epically pathetic, is a moron and didn't seem to get it, though he doesn't get a lot.",
">\n\nThis is worse than saying he has a small dick, because how would she know, and that would just be dismissed as stupid.\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\nI can't understand the mental gymnastics some people are doing to try and say this isn't body shaming.",
">\n\n\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\n\nI mean yeah -- kind of like how pussy is an insult denoting cowardice, cunt is an insult meaning basically, terrible, etc., \nShe used that on purpose. Are you making CMV every time you see someone calling someone else a pussy?",
">\n\nPussy is kind of already known to be a shitty gendered insult so it doesn't need a CMV. In this case, Greta's gendered \"having a small penis is bad\" tweet is massively amplified, reached r/all on a shitload of subs, etc. so some discussion about whether or not that is cool is warranted",
">\n\nSmall dick energy isn’t about having a small dick tho. It’s a reflection of an attitude that men who are offensive, aggressive, nasty to people are overcompensating for their insecurities. A small dick doesn’t mean you won’t be able to find a partner or that you’re any less of a man. Being a downright trash bag of a human to others, like in this instance where an internet edgelord is cyber bullying a teenager on the internet who is fighting for the survival of our planet/humanity is an example of this trash behavior, is more of a determining factor. \nYou can also have a small dick but have big dick energy, as it’s reflective of who you are as a person. It’s an attitude. It’s who you choose to be to yourself and others. Hell, there’s women who use the term that they have big dick energy and I can tell you those women’s dicks are none existent so therefore size isn’t a thing. \nNo one should be made fun of for something they had no control over. The worth of a man is not tied to the size of his penis. Although, toxic masculinity and shallow people will tell you different. They say the same for disabled people, fat people etc. There’s plenty of people who are not “conventional standards of beauty” which is the majority of us, that lead happy, healthy relationships. Those relationships start with yourself and understanding your worth as a person isn’t tied to what you look like or how big your junk is. \nThe point is if you choose to be a trash person like Tate, where your self worth is tied into how cruel/offensive you can be to other people, don’t be mad if people call you out for that trashy attitude. Your post definitely reeks of “men are the true victims” when clearly you didn’t seem to have a problem with a grown man cyber bullying a teenager.",
">\n\nI like how you imply that OP is a fan of a literal human trafficker because they point out that a body-shaming insult is body-shaming. Do you understand why associating a trait of someone's body with negative personality traits is bad?",
">\n\nNo because people like this always have exceptions that allow them to use the things they complain about. Cognitive gymnastics allows them to recognise shaming women and people of colour is bad, because society will eat them otherwise, but when someone shows up who deserves a bit of a roasting all of their social etiquette rules go out the window and the excuses come out as to why in this context it doesn't count.\n\"Ahh no, here it is a reflection of an attitude\" blah blah 3 paragraphs later and we've clouded over the simple fact that body shaming is body shaming and harms people you weren't intending to insult.",
">\n\nPeople like this? You’re assuming things about me because I am a character in your mind not a real person. I am not a monolith. We should not be body shaming people. I am explaining the other side of this issue and why people use these terms. You never asked if I use these same terms in my life. You assumed I do. I don’t. You didn’t even bother to read my response because if you did you would have realized this.",
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">\n\nYou can have smol pp but big pp energy and vice versa",
">\n\nSo why is the phrase small dick energy if it has nothing to do with having a small dick?",
">\n\nIdk man, I just work here.",
">\n\nYou know why. Lol cause small dick is associated with bad. And by insulting dicks you use this knowledge to offend, at the cost of body shaming people. \nStop feigning dumb just to avoid the reasoning lol",
">\n\nI can see how it would be offensive, and I wouldn’t use it myself. I feel like the phrase refers more to how someone acts as opposed to how they are endowed. And how it’s behavior and actions that make people think down of you not your penis.",
">\n\nPoint is that we, as a society, should encourage better insults that attack the comments of the person without necessarily having to equate it to something someone with a small dick.",
">\n\nWould you agree with me, that if Andrew clapped back with one of those that the internet would be up in arms about it?",
">\n\nYou mean the way that you are, here, on the internet, up in arms?",
">\n\nIm one person on reddit, theres no major backlash like there would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\nSee, what's happening here is that you are also looking at people who are \"one person on Reddit\" and pretending it's a major backlash. Andrew Tate says fucked up things about women all the time (in fact, it's kind of his whole schtick) and it's as much of a non-event as this is.",
">\n\nPlease link me to something fucked up hes said about women, and ill agree with you, two wrongs don't make a right.",
">\n\nHere's exhibit A.",
">\n\nSure I agree with you he has said fucked up stuff about women, it doesn't mean its okay to make a joke about small dick energy.\nDo you understand my point?",
">\n\nWe understand, it's just that your point is fucking stupid",
">\n\nYou have no idea what his point is, it's funny that people on this thread OP and others actually like Andrew Tate.\nIt proves that everyone is completely frothingly tribalistic with zero nuance.",
">\n\nIf someone is behaving insufferably, people are going to laugh at them for things that they wouldn’t find funny if it happened to someone they liked.\nFor example, is it funny when people go bankrupt? No. Would it be funny if someone like Andrew Tate went bankrupt after boasting about Bugattis and all of his mass wealth? Yes. This doesn’t mean people who would make fun of him for that are making fun of poverty or all people who lose their livelihoods, it would just be funny if it happened to that particular person. \nIn the same way, the idea that Tate does all the douchey, over the top macho things that he does in order to compensate for having a small penis is funny, whilst it not being funny to make fun of every person who has a small penis.",
">\n\nSubstitute fat. Is that ok?",
">\n\nDepends on what the fat person is doing. If the person is minding their own business then no, if the fat person is attacking other people’s appearances then yeah go for it.",
">\n\nInteresting take. Might want to play with that a bit. A lot of situations where your reasoning falls apart.",
">\n\nPeople insulted Trump for being fat when he tried to say he was like the most fit person ever. People make fun of Elon Musk's body. You can make the same type of insult to two different people and it come off two different ways. \nWhen you make your identity or argument around something it opens up certain insults and comebacks. \nTate's whole thing is trying to act like this \"alpha male\" when in reality he's a sex trafficking weirdo who pays women to hang out with him. It's totally fine to insult him with a childish insult. \nI also find that people worried or mad about this don't actually care about body image issues. They just want a gotcha moment for people. Because many would have shitty takes about fat people or whine about pc culture.",
">\n\nWhen you call some MF that doesn't necessarily mean you are a MF... I'm not saying it's okay to say abusing words but we still do use them.\nI don't think she said it in literal terms, it was completely literary. Also she only said it cause it was Tate who she said it to. Also if a woman has small tits and someone said to someone else that they have small tits energy, I don't think one who actually has small tits would mind it, cause she is not involved and it's kinda perfect way of irritating Tate.. cause he really cares about these things. \nWhen it comes to increasing the insecurity of someone who actually has small D and is insecure about it... She couldn't think so far cause all she wanted was to irritate Tate and she was successful",
">\n\nI don't think it even irritated him if that was her goal but definitely helped him with popularity. It just proves what he says people think of insecure men, it just moves them to him and he gains more influence. It was an ignorant reply in poor taste. Someone with much following and influence as Greta shouldn't be as irresponsible and the followers shouldn't be having to do mental gymnastics to defend her instead of seeing it as it is: body shaming against men.",
">\n\nIs this some kind of weird meta-game? Are Andrew Tate fans pretending to actually be offended by this stupid insult to prove a point? Does anybody actually think her retort was any sharper than a brick wrapped in a wet blanket?\nWhat is going on here?!",
">\n\n\nWhat is going on here?!\n\nAndrew Tate fans have a lot of small dick energy. That's whats going on.",
">\n\nWhy are people not allowed dislike tate (he's an absolute idiot and a grifter) and also to criticize obvious body shaming from a supposed progressive? If Biden started talking about \"N*gger energy\" criticizing Kanye for antisemitism, would that be ok in your eyes? Would you say that a black guy who doesn't like that must be an angry Kanye fan? Or is it disgustingly offensive towards all African Americans to use that type of language no matter what?",
">\n\nBecause it suits their narrative to frame it as if people are just defending tate. It's easier than just actually defending body shaming. Done deal.",
">\n\nI think Greta used that phrase not because she actually believes or wants to promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior, but because people like Andrew Tate believe and promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior. If Andrew Tate gets hurt because Greta says he has small dick energy, then maybe -- just maybe, with the tiniest bit of introspection -- he'll come to realize how hateful some of his language is.\nBullies like Andrew Tate don't really respond to logic or pleas for sympathy. The only way to maybe make them understand the hurt they cause is to inflict it on them, because they don't care about anyone but themselves. \nSo instead of putting the cart before the horse and blaming Greta for using an offensive phrase as an argumentative tactic, maybe blame the people who use the phrase to actually demean people.",
">\n\nCan we substitute fat instead and be justified?",
">\n\nYes people did that with Trump when he claimed to be the fittest person ever basically. If someone has a habit of insulting people a certain way or making certain claims then they open themselves up to specific insults. \nSometimes we'd find those insults not tasteful if said to other people. But I feel like most people equating this to fat insults don't actually care about fat people. A lot of people would also be like oh things are getting too pc or soft or woke when it comes to body positivity towards fat people. So for me it's hard to buy this line of reasoning as being truly valid or caring.",
">\n\nNo one said it has to be authentic caring. This sub is for exploring the intellectual arguments. Your perception of how authentic someone’s feelings towards fat people is basically irrelevant. Argue the point or don’t. Passing your authenticity test is a wierd standard to try to argue for.",
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">\n\nYes, making insults is offensive. That's the point.\nInsults that reference a body part are also offensive to people who are insecure about that body part. That's also kinda obvious.\nWhat do you want your mind changed about here? I'm unclear about what you think can be discussed about an insult meant to be insulting. Are you arguing that this insult is especially wrong in some way?\nHow is this not just you soapboxing?",
">\n\nThere's a reason as a society we don't use insults like \"retard\". This is in the same vein. You're attributing a negative thing with a man having a small penis. This is harmful as it perpetuates the stigma surrounding penis size which is outside ones control. Essentially it degrades a group of people who have nothing to do with it. OP wants to know whether or not this is reconciled. Reading the comments... It has not been. \nMaking gendered insults doesn't bother me truthfully but I can understand the frustration OP is expressing because were it to be a man making some edgy reference to a woman's lady parts being inadequate as a way to demean them then everyone would be outraged as opposed to cheering it on.",
">\n\nUsing “small dick” as an insult, or “loose pussy” isn’t really offensive unless you are insecure about the physical viability of your reproductive organs. \nBut, that doesn’t make it funny. It’s a really juvenile and uncreative way of ridiculing someone.",
">\n\nInsecure women are offended when they're fat shamed.\nIt's still body shaming.\nIt's still wrong.",
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">\n\nGuy randomly decides to flex on her by saying I HAVE CARS AND I LIKE TO GO VROOOOM. It's like when Piers decides that it's absolutely important to eat meat in front of vegans. It's not about penis size. It's just that smalldickenergy is a perfect explanation of why would someone decide to behave like this.",
">\n\nShe is 19. Maybe in a few years she will have more mature insults. It’s a lot of pressure to be put on someone so young to also say the perfect thing all the time",
">\n\nUnder nearly all circumstances, I agree with you.\nHowever, for a lot of people who have built a cult of personality around any given ideal, insults of the inoffensive type are completely commonplace. All they have to do is fend off one or two instances of this PG rated attacks, strawman them, call them snowflakes, and their following is bolstered and enhanced. Instead of having any negative effect, it becomes part of their inherent power.\nSometimes if you want to rattle a cult leader you have to hit with precision their most critical weakness and watch them implode. The fact that Tate is squirming so hard and doing everything he can to reclaim some of his dignity after Greta's clapback means that she has his number. Great isn't saying that having a small dick is bad, but knowing that Tate's entire personality is built about being an alpha male and that calling into question the size of his member will hurt him the most is what she was after. \nOf course, it wasn't classy and could be offensive to some. But as the saying goes, sometimes you have to fight fire with fire.",
">\n\nReally is he squirming? \nHe's rich he's popular and now he's gotten someone he disagrees with to repeat his ideology and platform spreading it to a wider audience. \nI'd argue he's happy for the attention and popularity that she's given to him now and enjoying the increased sales in his business as more men who feel marginalized and left out join him seeing this hypocrisy playing out. Not to mention all the political players( internationally) who were against climate action seeing all this and aligning themselves appropriately, possibly propping him up and making him something more than what he actually is- An ignorant troll. \nEngage with a troll and you only give them more power. The tweet was dumb and people should know better.\nEdit: spacing",
">\n\nI'm not commenting on whether or not his fans will like him more or if the controversy will inadvertently grant him a wider audience. \nI'm commenting that Greta knew exactly where and how to hit him the hardest. Yes, he is definitely squirming. He has scrambled out half a dozen prepubescent \"I know you are but what am I\" tweets. Then he went and made the absolute cringiest response video. He's incensed by being talked down to by Greta and is overcompensating. \nDid her tweet have any net positive effect on society? No. Did it ruffle Tate's feathers and make his blood boil? Yea. Would he have even cared if she called him a misogynistic prick? Absolutely not. He would have just told her to sit down and shut up, that misogyny is made up by inferior women blah blah blah...\nInstead, his insecurities are eating him alive.",
">\n\nWhy even respond and give him attention that he so desperately craves? And why body shame men in the process? \nIf she didn't have a better insult she could have just went on with her life instead of helping him grow. Using \"small dick energy\" as an insult means implicitly we agree that people with small penises are inferior and undesirable. That's basically what Tate is on about ( Toxic masculinity). And by laughing at her tweet we all reinforce that perception. Do you get that? \nSick of double standards and hypocrisy. At least people should have the courage to own up and acknowledge it then move on instead of doubling down and performing mental gymnastics to justify an obvious case of body shaming.\nI agree with you on one thing that the net effect on society because of this tweet exchange is negative and only serves the people who Greta and her followers hate.",
">\n\nI think you are missing what I am saying. I fully agree that it wasn't necessary nor was it the right thing for Greta to do. I also agree that it just gives him attention and was overall a useless venture other for the entertainment of Tate haters.\nOP asked why it is okay. I stated that it isn't okay but that I understand why Greta took that road rather than the suggested non-offensive approach. It is because he's immune to it. What he isn't immune to is his masculinity and ego being questioned. What is the point of the Wolf continuing to blow on the brick house? None. To get to the scared little piggies inside he needs a jackhammer. \nAnd it worked exactly how she planned it to. He was rattled and anyone who hates Tate is amused. \nNot saying it's the right thing to do, nor do I want anyone to feel ashamed of the size of their penis.",
">\n\nOk.. thanks for elaborating on that. I misunderstood your comment as a disagreement and engaged to try and change your mind but seems we share the same view.",
">\n\nYou do not know what Greta is \"fully aware\" of. She is referring to character and behaviour, why are you taking this personally? She isn't speaking to you, hasn't seen you, doesn't know you. I don't know why you are externalizing your issue like this and waving it around in public, is it our responsibility to fix this for you?\nShe was just making a tiny joke. Relax. smalldickenergy @ getalife .com is hilarious.",
">\n\nAside from everything else, it's men who started the 'big dick energy' idiocy so to then complain when someone uses their own stupidity against them...",
">\n\nYeah because men are a monolith and we all meet in a room and know each other smh.",
">\n\nThey’re saying it’s offensive to more than just Andrew Tate",
">\n\nYeah but again, ISN'T THE PURPOSE",
">\n\nWhat do you mean again? You didn’t say that before. And why does the purpose matter? You can do a bad thing without meaning to.",
">\n\nI meant to say isn't that the purpose lol mb",
">\n\nOh lol I probably should have realized that. But I think the point of the insult was to offend Andrew Tate.",
">\n\nFair. Trying to not say anything about him one way or another so I don't get downvoted to hell.",
">\n\nGreta lost that argument. She literally has like a hundred things Tate has said and done she could attack. Easy target... The one thing she chose to do is to body shame the man. It's just name calling. It's not a refutation of Tate. If anything it makes her sound stupid for her inability to come up with a refutation.",
">\n\nExactly. But people are just cheering her on and laughing along without grasping the nuance of the situation.",
">\n\nI think you are kinda missing the point. People know it offensive. The issue is that they don't care.",
">\n\nPeople used to make fun of small tits all the time. Remember the 90s? Remember the itty bitty titty committee? I don't know if that's a thing any more, but skinny women with no butts are definitely not seen as attractive. It's not fair. It's not their fault. People need to stop shaming themselves and eachother, and accept all bodies. Until then, \"small dick energy\" won't cease to be an insult. I guess the difference is people are sort of \"punching up\" since it's always been people with dicks who have the power in this world. I've never heard a dude say that another dude has \"small dick energy.\" It's always a woman saying that. Either way I think it's dumb but I get it. I've always thought \"Karen\" was a dumb insult too. Not someone's fault they were named Karen, LOL.",
">\n\nAndrew insulted her. He was asking for this insult. She was totally in the right. She wasn’t trying to shame anyone else. You’re asking for this insult too.",
">\n\nIsn't it more offensive for small pp folk, that there is a guy who base his entire existence on top of an argument that being an alpha, prime male is the most important thing in the world, and you need to be a testosterone bomb gorilla to have any kind of value. Isn't that argument disregards small dick guys in the first place?",
">\n\nAnd Greta just reinforced it with her reply. Do you see the problem now?\nEdit:replaced \"comment\" with \"reply\"",
">\n\nI believe I've already made a statement about what the problem is.",
">\n\nThen do you understand why Greta's reply is offensive and playing into Andrew Tate's hands?",
">\n\nLol this is twitter. There is no playing into each other's hands. Get outside.",
">\n\nOh look. Greta is human. Someone who spent a lot of her growing up time trying to educate people.\nIf she was in a bar and some doofus made a pass, she's just asserting herself. Age and context. Good on her.",
">\n\nIt is actually been studied. Men with small penises actually do have less energy- testosterone or something.",
">\n\nBeing offended by anything is each person's individual choice. If something is offensive to you, then simply choose to not be offended by it. It's truly that simple.",
">\n\nSo there is no such thing as hate speech?",
">\n\nNo, I didn't say that. Someone can certainly say something to someone that they hate with words that they feel will harm them mentally. That is \"hate speech\". The point I was trying to make is that we all as individuals have the choice to react to whatever someone says in whatever way we choose to react. If I feel offended by something that someone is saying, it is my choice to be offended by it.",
">\n\nI pretty much agree, but now we come to who decides. Does the person doing the talking decide whether it is hate speech? Or the person being talked at?",
">\n\nThere is no decision. The person who is talking thinks that what they are saying is not hateful, or they do. The person being talked at thinks that what the other person is saying is hateful, or they don't. The point is that it only matters if you make it matter to you. For example, if I say you are the dumbest person on earth, am I committing the crime of hate speech? Are you the dumbest person on earth? Probably not. But maybe I believe that you are. Does that make it true? If so, then it's not hate speech it's the truth...to me. If you, personally, believe that you are not the dumbest person on earth, then why would you concern yourself with what my dumbass has to say? To you, I'm the dumbest person on earth. I hope I'm getting my point across here.",
">\n\nSo we agree then? No laws regarding hate speech at all. You just ignore it and move on.",
">\n\nYes, sir.",
">\n\nYup",
">\n\nWhat if I say that I am offended that you are offended that you say \"small dick energy\" is offensive to men that are insecure about their size? Say I'm a man with a huge, massive dong. Say it's been a huge issue for me all my life. Let's say, hypothetically, that I am hugely insecure about the massive size of my dong and it's given me problems all my life. Every time I, hypothetically, go for a jog it's constantly flopping all over the place chaffing up my leg. Every time I have sex it's always this huge issue and only like half of the thing can go in before the receiver is like \"oh my god, stop, that's too much!\" Every time I receive oral sex, anything more than an inch beyond the tip causes a gag reflex. Does that sound exciting to you? Here you are bragging about your completely normal sized penis and all your normal sized penis sex and here this hypothetical person with a huge massive dong has all these issues. I can see how a hypothetical person with this debilitating issue would take offense that you take offense.",
">\n\nShe's an edgelord",
">\n\nreddit",
">\n\nSounds like a skill issue",
">\n\nDo you really get that offended? It's not like males themselves haven't sexualized females and their bodies and have said even worse and more common things about them? But we get offended over sum small? pun intended",
">\n\n“Some males have sexualized females therefore it’s fine for society to make fun of penis size.”",
">\n\nSociety? I don't see everyone (which represents society) doing it 😂 maybe you are focusing too much on negativity and that's all you see",
">\n\nSaying “small dick energy” is inherently a negative thing because it’s an insult. It also implies that there’s something bad about less endowed people because Tate is being compared to that demographic. \nWhen I say society, I mean that a decent percentage of people have “____ dick energy” built into their vocabulary to the point where the meaning of these terms is widely agreed on and it loses it’s direct connection to the penis. This doesn’t mean that the term is appropriate to use though since it originated from actual body shaming.",
">\n\nBattle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.",
">\n\nI think you should consider the situation at hand and less the use of insults as an absolute \nAndrew Tate absolutely deserves it",
">\n\nthe post its about the insult. \n\"Yeah I called this person a N... but lets focus on how bad that person is!!\"\nThe insult not only its very inflammatory (shows patriarcal estigmas,Its body shaming, reinforces toxic masculinity)\nIts also an extremely weak answer, its a groundless ad hominem. I would dare to argue the insult talks more about breta and his internalized toxic patriarcal estigmas than anything against tate.",
">\n\nGreta didn't start this. He was harassing her.",
">\n\n\"He started it\" -That's a toddler's excuse lmao",
">\n\nSo, in your opinion, Greta would have insulted him whether he had harassed her first, or not?",
">\n\nHer insulting him isn't the problem here. Its how she insulted him that's problematic.",
">\n\nWell, if he didn't want to be insulted, he could've done pretty much anything else with his time. I love the way you think people should be able to gatekeep how other people should hurt the feelings of people who are harassing them.",
">\n\nI'm not defending him or saying his feelings are hurt or that he doesn't deserve the insult. You're completely missing the point of this post and what we've been discussing. \n\"Body shaming is acceptable when it's directed at people we don't like\"- this is the hypocrisy that's being pointed out. It's not about who's better Tate or Greta but it's the bigger issue of shaming men's insecurities without any regard to their mental health. Do you get it now?",
">\n\nI think I do. It hadn't occurred to me that you might have a small penis. My apologies. Perhaps just as Greta Thurnberg travels the world as an advocate for awareness of Climate Change, you can break down the stereotype that people with small penises have energy. You should probably do as little as possible, though, since you don't want to be accused of having \"energy.\"",
">\n\nWasted my time replying after your \"he started it\" comment smh. Toddler mentality gugu gaga talk to me after you understand the issue.\nEdit: issue",
">\n\nI'm sorry about your peepee. But you have taught me not to trust stereotypes. And learning is fundamental.",
">\n\nI almost forgot. Please don't use the word toddler. It's offensive to small children.",
">\n\nFirst of all \"small dick energy\" shames the energy, not the small dick. It shames the fact to be insecure by your dick size (which is a metaphor for being insecure about your masculinity in general) and overcompensate by doing big manly stuff. It doesn't shame the fact to have a small dick.\nYou can argue that it is as bad, but it's important to understand that.",
">\n\nDon't be a cunt mate.",
">\n\nTechnically yes its body shaming but it's not that big a deal I think",
">\n\nIt has more to do with how they're acting rather than actual anatomy size.",
">\n\ncouple things: small dicks is one of the things about men that men tend to care about to an obsessive degree, that women do to a way lesser degree but pretend to, because men typically like to have a very braggadocious and obnoxious attitude about everything. this tate guy is that to the nth degree. so i mean if anyone deserves being called \"SDE\" its this tate guy \nsecond thing is that people who genuinely do have small dicks don't own that they have what they do; they lie about it. people who really do own that they have small dicks aren't made fun of for having them, because its not funny; the whole point is that you're lying about it and pretending like you're some big shot stud asshole, when you're not. if you own that you have a small dick, then ironically, you don't have \"SDE\"; you own what you have, you're not overcompensating and pretending to be something you're not. \nso if greta thunburg was to call, say, howard stern \"SDE\", a dude who owns that he has a small dick and makes fun of himself for it, then it wouldn't be funny. and howard stern even IS a braggadocious asshole. andrew tate is just wayyyyy more of one, and he pretend like he's god's gift to women. \nin general when it comes to \"oh poor men won't anybody think of the men\" i just cringe. i'm not the most liberal guy. but conservative guys just reappropriating the oppression olympics self-victimization shit and applying it to themselves is just pathetic.",
">\n\nSmall dick guy here... I always felt like guys like Howard Stern were compensating for it by self-loathing comedy. That's a big thing comedians do in general, and so to me it's always hard to say a guy truly doesn't care about it just because he's joking about it. On the other hand, maybe I'm just projecting, because I'll poke fun at my tiny pecker and not really care if someone makes fun of me for it, but it also does truly bother me a little bit when I hear things like, \"Oh that guy is an asshole, he must be mad because he has a tiny dick.\" Like... As if all us small guys are just furious that we aren't gonna win the dick-measuring contest that we let it affect our daily lives. It's a matter of extremes I think. I'm sure there's some guys with small ones that genuinely don't give a single fuck, and others who let it influence their entire lives, but I think most men with a small wang living in a society which implies that's a bad thing are going to end up somewhere in the middle of the scale.\nThe people I really feel bad for are the young people. Growing up with a small dick is a million times harder than being an adult with one. For the most part, nobody really cares if you're a grown man that's small, but when you're a teenager you feel like everybody cares. I had a really hard time wanting to pursue girls because of it, always worried about what their reaction would be, is they'd tell their girlfriends and it would get back to the other guys, etc. And that DOES happen... I remember being at the lunch table and someone saying, 'Did you hear Mike's dick is only x inches?\" and I'd be sitting there like, an inch shorter than Mike and pretending that I found it as funny as everyone else around the table. It didn't really hit me until I was much older that I probably wasn't the only one at the table doing that. Plus I always thought it was weird like, at least that was evidence \"Mike\" was getting some, why should he care if it was small? It wasn't until I got over it and had a few flings and girlfriends that I realized it made such a little difference (pun intended) than what I had built it up to in my mind.\nSo I mean... Yeah, I think some guys do truly have small dick energy, but all that means is they're insecure and I think it kind of sucks that people don't think about the feelings of people who had no part of the fight who get their feelings hurt as collateral damage, and that somehow just because of the douche the insult was leveled at we go, \"Haha you feel insecure about your body!\"\nOne thing it makes me think about that I'm guilty of is calling guys closet-cases. Yeah, I am just trying to point out they're overcompensating about things because they are ashamed of their sexuality, but I don't really take a pause and think, \"Wow, I bet that makes the people actually in the closet feel like shit.\" In some ways, I think it's even worse than just simple body shaming that as a society we're going around making fun of people for issues that could very well be deep seeded mental health issues, or could become so.",
">\n\nidk i just think that the only people being accused of having small dicks are people who are so obnoxious that it feels like they're compensating, like this guy. so sure its \"body shaming\", but a) body shaming is just something that happens that idk if we can ever really do anything about, because human beings value different body parts differently, and b) its only really shaming people because of their behavior, not their bodies. its shaming their behavior, by implying something about their bodies that would be embarrassing particularly for a person who is displaying this behavior, like tate does, because somebody that obsessed with getting chicks would probably be extremely concerned if people thought he had a small dick.",
">\n\nYeah that's the thing though, for me it really bothers me more that people think I'm going around being an asshole, driving a huge truck or otherwise trying to compensate just because my dick is small. I can also see the idea that it implies that having a small dick is bad. I mean just the idea that you can 'accuse' anyone of it implies there's something wrong with it.\nI mean, to me that's easier to hand-wave the idea that there's something wrong with it since I've had enough lived experience to know it doesn't matter. However, I feel like there's probably a lot of people out there who haven't who are still really hung up on it, particularly young people. I know I already brought up homosexuality, but it reminds me of when people use to say you shouldn't call things gay because it puts a negative connotation on homosexuality. Speaking of that, there's that phrase, \"It gets better,\" that is used to comfort/console LGTBQ youths and I think it should be applied to body-image issues too--whether that be penis size, breast size, weight, whatever. Looking back on my life, it was definitely the insecurities that negatively effected me far more than my actual size ever did. \nBut yeah I also feel like there's kind of a lot of people just trying to paint this as her being caught being a hypocrite or something, and I agree with you that I especially hate it when men frame it as some kind of, \"Oh look, see, we're oppressed too. So much for feminism!\" kind of argument.\nI guess I just see both sides of it.",
">\n\nVery well put. I honestly think you have changed some minds today. Hopefully more people stop and think before blindly defending someone they look up to.",
">\n\nI have a small dick, it's fine",
">\n\nThat's the point.",
">\n\nNo shit.",
">\n\n\"small dick energy\" isn't mocking someone for their penis size but for behaving in a way that they are compensating for insecurities and people like Tait measure their masculinity in \"I own cars\" is the epitome of trying to mask insecurities",
">\n\nI think the point about \"energy\" keeps being ignored. \nYou can have a small dick, but with thoughtfulness and confidence never have \"small dick energy\"\nYou can have a big schlong and be a needy jerkstore which gives you \"small dick energy\"\nAnd you can be like Andrew Tate and have a very small one and have \"small dick energy\" and be an absolute creepy, dumbass attention goblin.\nThe grand majority of people don't give a flip about the size of your dick. People with dicks care about the size of their own dick. It's the assumption that everyone cares as much as they do about their dick that's the real problem.",
">\n\nSo you agree the stereotype is false ..... and hurtful. If it's really an assumption as you say then people won't use \"tiny dick\" as an insult on people they don't like right? If no one really cares then there's no need to use it as an insult anyway right? Right??\nBut they do because it's socially acceptable to body shame men for some reason. Just see the tweet posts in other subs and their comments section laughing along, cheering her on and poking fun at men who have small penises and the stereotypes associated with such.",
">\n\nI don't know how old you are but like.\nSaying small dick energy actually has anything to do with the size of someone's dick is like culturally irrelevant.\nLike you can have a tiny dick and still have big dick energy and you can have a big dick and have small dick energy.\nBecause, Most people who need to project their insecurities are insulted by the size assumption.\nIt's more about the idea of insulting someone by saying they're just trying to project masculinity. This is the same reason why being in small dick energy is really used in all circles and not just as a male centered insult.\nLike buck and stud lesbians love the fuck out of that term.\nPeople with a small dick who get insulted by the general idea of small dick energy as an insult need to deal with their own insecurities.\nI'd much rather have a small dick than small dick energy.",
">\n\nIf the size is irrelevant, why associate being small with only negative traits and being big with only positive traits? You can't, and you could just say that being smaller makes you a bad person. It would be more honest. I'm sure people dealing with insecurities appreciate being associated with a human trafficker...",
">\n\nLike I said I have a small dick and would rather have a small dick than have small dick energy.\nThe whole point is that the only people who care about size are people who are easily insecure.\nIt's because they care the people making the jokes know that size doesn't matter and they're not making fun of people who have small dicks they're making fun of the people who care so much about what the size of their dick is that an influences their entire self worth.",
">\n\nThere are plenty of secure people who care about size. They are big, so they don't get made fun of. The people who make the jokes, whether they realize it or not, imply that small = bad person. It reinforces to insecure people that they are wrong for something that they have no control over and that people around them, including loved ones, would think lesser of them, because they probably would if they are making these jokes.",
">\n\nBro I'm not big and I'm pointing out that not everyone who has a small dick is insulted by the idea of small dick energy this really seems to be a you problem.",
">\n\nI'M pointing out that not everyone who is offended is a bad person, but people, like anyone defending this phrase, are just going to pretend to not understand because this is something people don't care if you make fun of, so this is just a waste of time.",
">\n\n\nNot everyone who is offended is a bad person\n\nYeah, they're just wrongly offended because they assume the intent of something from a community they are not a part of. This is happening more and more because of how the internet is working.\nIs like \"Okay Boomer\" wasn't actually about being born a boomer but about the Mindset of the generation.\nIt's the YOU and the other people offended who refuse to understand that \"Small Dick Energy\" isn't connected to you're actual dick size.",
">\n\nIf it's not connected to the dick size then why even phrase it as \"Small Dick Energy\"??\nYou're trying to alter the meaning of words to fit your narrative instead of seeing it for what it is: body shaming against men. Even in your interpretation of the phrase saying it's a mindset it's still wrong that it's equating a shitty mindset with people who have small dicks. Why is this so hard to understand?",
">\n\nBecause it's only the people who are so insecure about their dick size who would get offended by the thought of small dick energy being an insult so it's kind of like self-selecting.\nIt's like when women say I hate men if you're not a man who shitty to women you're not going to get offended by people saying that.\nWe're not making fun of people for having small dicks we're making fun of people for acting like anyone in society cares about the size of your dick.",
">\n\nYour first paragraph basically says that body shaming isn't offensive or hurtful because only people who are insecure will get hurt and offended. That's just wrong. Why? Because it's unnecessarily cruel and just pokes fun at people who are insecure and struggling with their body image. That's punching down on people and shaming them for no reason. \"Small dick energy\" jokes are a form of toxic masculinity and on brand with Tate but now it's legitimised by Greta who's supposed to be progressive and not hateful against people with insecurities. You see the hypocrisy and inconsistency here?\nI don't want to keep repeating myself. Give the top comments a good read and you'll get it.",
">\n\nDoubling down on this saying that also \"Big Dick Energy\" it's an objectification that implicitly disqualifies men who are not allegedly big. But since it's not aimed at women it's totally irrelevant in body shaming debate: you know, fat women must be accepted and regarded as beautiful, but short men? No thanks.",
">\n\nI think context is really important here. Since Andrew Tate is a one-dimensional moron who deserves to feel bad about himself, we know that he values a very surface-level perception of masculinity that is reflected by penis size.\nGenerally, I think making fun of small dicks is pointless, because a person's worth isn't determined by that. But if someone is loudly projecting that they think their worth is determined by that and also makes a living putting down an entire gender, it's fair game IMO.",
">\n\nShe basically proved the \"moron\"s point. Do you understand this? \nHe spews BS that masculinity is reflected by penis size ( having a small penis is shameful) and she basically goes on to insult him with that exact premise. Reinforcing the insult and body shaming people who have nothing to do with him or her. He could be vile and deserving of insults but the way he's insulted reinforces toxic masculinity, which is his entire freaking brand. \nHe has gained more attention and probably more followers now as men who feel left out and laughed at join his ranks making him richer and more influential than he deserves. It was a dumb reply on her part and should be criticized for such, not cheered on.",
">\n\nThis post has small dick energy",
">\n\n?, Andrew tate entire brand its that you should be a \"big dick\" male alpha testosterone and shit. his answer its entirely in his character.\nGreat just reinforced his behaviour. <- thats the wrong part about insulting someone who is entire view promotes toxic masculinity by adding more fuel to that belief. in other words, reinforcing that there is something wrong with you if you have a small penis."
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the thing is, for tate this is expected?. from greta its very disastrous for what she preaches.
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"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult.",
">\n\nIt's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh.",
">\n\nHonestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV",
">\n\nPeople can make mistakes and this was one of them.. so we can all just criticize her reply fairly and move on. No need for acute mental gymnastics to defend her as this comments section is showing lmao.",
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">\n\nI don't think anyone is arguing it's not offensive. I'm pretty sure she was trying to offend insecure men. Apparently with great success.",
">\n\nShe was trying to offend men who were insecure about their body image?\nHow is that not body shaming?",
">\n\nIt is, but we playing the avoidance and rationalization game",
">\n\nbecause women invented \"small dick energy\"\nharsh, sad. but we go jim🗿",
">\n\nOP never mentioned women tho. Post is strictly about why it's offensive. Do you disagree that it's not offensive or you think it's a trivial matter to make fun of that men's mental health doesn't matter as much?",
">\n\nThe female equivalent is\n\"Loose Pussy Energy\".\nThe typical man-hate hypocrisy commonly going around is beyond obvious. And it is an attack on All men and boys not just some.",
">\n\nNot a disagreement per se, but also worth noting that it’s transphobic. Which is to say, it insults all men by reinforcing patriarchy and punching down to two groups of men.",
">\n\nShe said small dick energy. Not that he had a small dick (though, come on). She used that phrase BECAUSE it's Tate. She's not a moron.\nHe is, as evidenced by his life to this point and his two responses to Thunberg, which were epically pathetic, is a moron and didn't seem to get it, though he doesn't get a lot.",
">\n\nThis is worse than saying he has a small dick, because how would she know, and that would just be dismissed as stupid.\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\nI can't understand the mental gymnastics some people are doing to try and say this isn't body shaming.",
">\n\n\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\n\nI mean yeah -- kind of like how pussy is an insult denoting cowardice, cunt is an insult meaning basically, terrible, etc., \nShe used that on purpose. Are you making CMV every time you see someone calling someone else a pussy?",
">\n\nPussy is kind of already known to be a shitty gendered insult so it doesn't need a CMV. In this case, Greta's gendered \"having a small penis is bad\" tweet is massively amplified, reached r/all on a shitload of subs, etc. so some discussion about whether or not that is cool is warranted",
">\n\nSmall dick energy isn’t about having a small dick tho. It’s a reflection of an attitude that men who are offensive, aggressive, nasty to people are overcompensating for their insecurities. A small dick doesn’t mean you won’t be able to find a partner or that you’re any less of a man. Being a downright trash bag of a human to others, like in this instance where an internet edgelord is cyber bullying a teenager on the internet who is fighting for the survival of our planet/humanity is an example of this trash behavior, is more of a determining factor. \nYou can also have a small dick but have big dick energy, as it’s reflective of who you are as a person. It’s an attitude. It’s who you choose to be to yourself and others. Hell, there’s women who use the term that they have big dick energy and I can tell you those women’s dicks are none existent so therefore size isn’t a thing. \nNo one should be made fun of for something they had no control over. The worth of a man is not tied to the size of his penis. Although, toxic masculinity and shallow people will tell you different. They say the same for disabled people, fat people etc. There’s plenty of people who are not “conventional standards of beauty” which is the majority of us, that lead happy, healthy relationships. Those relationships start with yourself and understanding your worth as a person isn’t tied to what you look like or how big your junk is. \nThe point is if you choose to be a trash person like Tate, where your self worth is tied into how cruel/offensive you can be to other people, don’t be mad if people call you out for that trashy attitude. Your post definitely reeks of “men are the true victims” when clearly you didn’t seem to have a problem with a grown man cyber bullying a teenager.",
">\n\nI like how you imply that OP is a fan of a literal human trafficker because they point out that a body-shaming insult is body-shaming. Do you understand why associating a trait of someone's body with negative personality traits is bad?",
">\n\nNo because people like this always have exceptions that allow them to use the things they complain about. Cognitive gymnastics allows them to recognise shaming women and people of colour is bad, because society will eat them otherwise, but when someone shows up who deserves a bit of a roasting all of their social etiquette rules go out the window and the excuses come out as to why in this context it doesn't count.\n\"Ahh no, here it is a reflection of an attitude\" blah blah 3 paragraphs later and we've clouded over the simple fact that body shaming is body shaming and harms people you weren't intending to insult.",
">\n\nPeople like this? You’re assuming things about me because I am a character in your mind not a real person. I am not a monolith. We should not be body shaming people. I am explaining the other side of this issue and why people use these terms. You never asked if I use these same terms in my life. You assumed I do. I don’t. You didn’t even bother to read my response because if you did you would have realized this.",
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">\n\nYou can have smol pp but big pp energy and vice versa",
">\n\nSo why is the phrase small dick energy if it has nothing to do with having a small dick?",
">\n\nIdk man, I just work here.",
">\n\nYou know why. Lol cause small dick is associated with bad. And by insulting dicks you use this knowledge to offend, at the cost of body shaming people. \nStop feigning dumb just to avoid the reasoning lol",
">\n\nI can see how it would be offensive, and I wouldn’t use it myself. I feel like the phrase refers more to how someone acts as opposed to how they are endowed. And how it’s behavior and actions that make people think down of you not your penis.",
">\n\nPoint is that we, as a society, should encourage better insults that attack the comments of the person without necessarily having to equate it to something someone with a small dick.",
">\n\nWould you agree with me, that if Andrew clapped back with one of those that the internet would be up in arms about it?",
">\n\nYou mean the way that you are, here, on the internet, up in arms?",
">\n\nIm one person on reddit, theres no major backlash like there would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\nSee, what's happening here is that you are also looking at people who are \"one person on Reddit\" and pretending it's a major backlash. Andrew Tate says fucked up things about women all the time (in fact, it's kind of his whole schtick) and it's as much of a non-event as this is.",
">\n\nPlease link me to something fucked up hes said about women, and ill agree with you, two wrongs don't make a right.",
">\n\nHere's exhibit A.",
">\n\nSure I agree with you he has said fucked up stuff about women, it doesn't mean its okay to make a joke about small dick energy.\nDo you understand my point?",
">\n\nWe understand, it's just that your point is fucking stupid",
">\n\nYou have no idea what his point is, it's funny that people on this thread OP and others actually like Andrew Tate.\nIt proves that everyone is completely frothingly tribalistic with zero nuance.",
">\n\nIf someone is behaving insufferably, people are going to laugh at them for things that they wouldn’t find funny if it happened to someone they liked.\nFor example, is it funny when people go bankrupt? No. Would it be funny if someone like Andrew Tate went bankrupt after boasting about Bugattis and all of his mass wealth? Yes. This doesn’t mean people who would make fun of him for that are making fun of poverty or all people who lose their livelihoods, it would just be funny if it happened to that particular person. \nIn the same way, the idea that Tate does all the douchey, over the top macho things that he does in order to compensate for having a small penis is funny, whilst it not being funny to make fun of every person who has a small penis.",
">\n\nSubstitute fat. Is that ok?",
">\n\nDepends on what the fat person is doing. If the person is minding their own business then no, if the fat person is attacking other people’s appearances then yeah go for it.",
">\n\nInteresting take. Might want to play with that a bit. A lot of situations where your reasoning falls apart.",
">\n\nPeople insulted Trump for being fat when he tried to say he was like the most fit person ever. People make fun of Elon Musk's body. You can make the same type of insult to two different people and it come off two different ways. \nWhen you make your identity or argument around something it opens up certain insults and comebacks. \nTate's whole thing is trying to act like this \"alpha male\" when in reality he's a sex trafficking weirdo who pays women to hang out with him. It's totally fine to insult him with a childish insult. \nI also find that people worried or mad about this don't actually care about body image issues. They just want a gotcha moment for people. Because many would have shitty takes about fat people or whine about pc culture.",
">\n\nWhen you call some MF that doesn't necessarily mean you are a MF... I'm not saying it's okay to say abusing words but we still do use them.\nI don't think she said it in literal terms, it was completely literary. Also she only said it cause it was Tate who she said it to. Also if a woman has small tits and someone said to someone else that they have small tits energy, I don't think one who actually has small tits would mind it, cause she is not involved and it's kinda perfect way of irritating Tate.. cause he really cares about these things. \nWhen it comes to increasing the insecurity of someone who actually has small D and is insecure about it... She couldn't think so far cause all she wanted was to irritate Tate and she was successful",
">\n\nI don't think it even irritated him if that was her goal but definitely helped him with popularity. It just proves what he says people think of insecure men, it just moves them to him and he gains more influence. It was an ignorant reply in poor taste. Someone with much following and influence as Greta shouldn't be as irresponsible and the followers shouldn't be having to do mental gymnastics to defend her instead of seeing it as it is: body shaming against men.",
">\n\nIs this some kind of weird meta-game? Are Andrew Tate fans pretending to actually be offended by this stupid insult to prove a point? Does anybody actually think her retort was any sharper than a brick wrapped in a wet blanket?\nWhat is going on here?!",
">\n\n\nWhat is going on here?!\n\nAndrew Tate fans have a lot of small dick energy. That's whats going on.",
">\n\nWhy are people not allowed dislike tate (he's an absolute idiot and a grifter) and also to criticize obvious body shaming from a supposed progressive? If Biden started talking about \"N*gger energy\" criticizing Kanye for antisemitism, would that be ok in your eyes? Would you say that a black guy who doesn't like that must be an angry Kanye fan? Or is it disgustingly offensive towards all African Americans to use that type of language no matter what?",
">\n\nBecause it suits their narrative to frame it as if people are just defending tate. It's easier than just actually defending body shaming. Done deal.",
">\n\nI think Greta used that phrase not because she actually believes or wants to promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior, but because people like Andrew Tate believe and promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior. If Andrew Tate gets hurt because Greta says he has small dick energy, then maybe -- just maybe, with the tiniest bit of introspection -- he'll come to realize how hateful some of his language is.\nBullies like Andrew Tate don't really respond to logic or pleas for sympathy. The only way to maybe make them understand the hurt they cause is to inflict it on them, because they don't care about anyone but themselves. \nSo instead of putting the cart before the horse and blaming Greta for using an offensive phrase as an argumentative tactic, maybe blame the people who use the phrase to actually demean people.",
">\n\nCan we substitute fat instead and be justified?",
">\n\nYes people did that with Trump when he claimed to be the fittest person ever basically. If someone has a habit of insulting people a certain way or making certain claims then they open themselves up to specific insults. \nSometimes we'd find those insults not tasteful if said to other people. But I feel like most people equating this to fat insults don't actually care about fat people. A lot of people would also be like oh things are getting too pc or soft or woke when it comes to body positivity towards fat people. So for me it's hard to buy this line of reasoning as being truly valid or caring.",
">\n\nNo one said it has to be authentic caring. This sub is for exploring the intellectual arguments. Your perception of how authentic someone’s feelings towards fat people is basically irrelevant. Argue the point or don’t. Passing your authenticity test is a wierd standard to try to argue for.",
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">\n\nYes, making insults is offensive. That's the point.\nInsults that reference a body part are also offensive to people who are insecure about that body part. That's also kinda obvious.\nWhat do you want your mind changed about here? I'm unclear about what you think can be discussed about an insult meant to be insulting. Are you arguing that this insult is especially wrong in some way?\nHow is this not just you soapboxing?",
">\n\nThere's a reason as a society we don't use insults like \"retard\". This is in the same vein. You're attributing a negative thing with a man having a small penis. This is harmful as it perpetuates the stigma surrounding penis size which is outside ones control. Essentially it degrades a group of people who have nothing to do with it. OP wants to know whether or not this is reconciled. Reading the comments... It has not been. \nMaking gendered insults doesn't bother me truthfully but I can understand the frustration OP is expressing because were it to be a man making some edgy reference to a woman's lady parts being inadequate as a way to demean them then everyone would be outraged as opposed to cheering it on.",
">\n\nUsing “small dick” as an insult, or “loose pussy” isn’t really offensive unless you are insecure about the physical viability of your reproductive organs. \nBut, that doesn’t make it funny. It’s a really juvenile and uncreative way of ridiculing someone.",
">\n\nInsecure women are offended when they're fat shamed.\nIt's still body shaming.\nIt's still wrong.",
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">\n\nGuy randomly decides to flex on her by saying I HAVE CARS AND I LIKE TO GO VROOOOM. It's like when Piers decides that it's absolutely important to eat meat in front of vegans. It's not about penis size. It's just that smalldickenergy is a perfect explanation of why would someone decide to behave like this.",
">\n\nShe is 19. Maybe in a few years she will have more mature insults. It’s a lot of pressure to be put on someone so young to also say the perfect thing all the time",
">\n\nUnder nearly all circumstances, I agree with you.\nHowever, for a lot of people who have built a cult of personality around any given ideal, insults of the inoffensive type are completely commonplace. All they have to do is fend off one or two instances of this PG rated attacks, strawman them, call them snowflakes, and their following is bolstered and enhanced. Instead of having any negative effect, it becomes part of their inherent power.\nSometimes if you want to rattle a cult leader you have to hit with precision their most critical weakness and watch them implode. The fact that Tate is squirming so hard and doing everything he can to reclaim some of his dignity after Greta's clapback means that she has his number. Great isn't saying that having a small dick is bad, but knowing that Tate's entire personality is built about being an alpha male and that calling into question the size of his member will hurt him the most is what she was after. \nOf course, it wasn't classy and could be offensive to some. But as the saying goes, sometimes you have to fight fire with fire.",
">\n\nReally is he squirming? \nHe's rich he's popular and now he's gotten someone he disagrees with to repeat his ideology and platform spreading it to a wider audience. \nI'd argue he's happy for the attention and popularity that she's given to him now and enjoying the increased sales in his business as more men who feel marginalized and left out join him seeing this hypocrisy playing out. Not to mention all the political players( internationally) who were against climate action seeing all this and aligning themselves appropriately, possibly propping him up and making him something more than what he actually is- An ignorant troll. \nEngage with a troll and you only give them more power. The tweet was dumb and people should know better.\nEdit: spacing",
">\n\nI'm not commenting on whether or not his fans will like him more or if the controversy will inadvertently grant him a wider audience. \nI'm commenting that Greta knew exactly where and how to hit him the hardest. Yes, he is definitely squirming. He has scrambled out half a dozen prepubescent \"I know you are but what am I\" tweets. Then he went and made the absolute cringiest response video. He's incensed by being talked down to by Greta and is overcompensating. \nDid her tweet have any net positive effect on society? No. Did it ruffle Tate's feathers and make his blood boil? Yea. Would he have even cared if she called him a misogynistic prick? Absolutely not. He would have just told her to sit down and shut up, that misogyny is made up by inferior women blah blah blah...\nInstead, his insecurities are eating him alive.",
">\n\nWhy even respond and give him attention that he so desperately craves? And why body shame men in the process? \nIf she didn't have a better insult she could have just went on with her life instead of helping him grow. Using \"small dick energy\" as an insult means implicitly we agree that people with small penises are inferior and undesirable. That's basically what Tate is on about ( Toxic masculinity). And by laughing at her tweet we all reinforce that perception. Do you get that? \nSick of double standards and hypocrisy. At least people should have the courage to own up and acknowledge it then move on instead of doubling down and performing mental gymnastics to justify an obvious case of body shaming.\nI agree with you on one thing that the net effect on society because of this tweet exchange is negative and only serves the people who Greta and her followers hate.",
">\n\nI think you are missing what I am saying. I fully agree that it wasn't necessary nor was it the right thing for Greta to do. I also agree that it just gives him attention and was overall a useless venture other for the entertainment of Tate haters.\nOP asked why it is okay. I stated that it isn't okay but that I understand why Greta took that road rather than the suggested non-offensive approach. It is because he's immune to it. What he isn't immune to is his masculinity and ego being questioned. What is the point of the Wolf continuing to blow on the brick house? None. To get to the scared little piggies inside he needs a jackhammer. \nAnd it worked exactly how she planned it to. He was rattled and anyone who hates Tate is amused. \nNot saying it's the right thing to do, nor do I want anyone to feel ashamed of the size of their penis.",
">\n\nOk.. thanks for elaborating on that. I misunderstood your comment as a disagreement and engaged to try and change your mind but seems we share the same view.",
">\n\nYou do not know what Greta is \"fully aware\" of. She is referring to character and behaviour, why are you taking this personally? She isn't speaking to you, hasn't seen you, doesn't know you. I don't know why you are externalizing your issue like this and waving it around in public, is it our responsibility to fix this for you?\nShe was just making a tiny joke. Relax. smalldickenergy @ getalife .com is hilarious.",
">\n\nAside from everything else, it's men who started the 'big dick energy' idiocy so to then complain when someone uses their own stupidity against them...",
">\n\nYeah because men are a monolith and we all meet in a room and know each other smh.",
">\n\nThey’re saying it’s offensive to more than just Andrew Tate",
">\n\nYeah but again, ISN'T THE PURPOSE",
">\n\nWhat do you mean again? You didn’t say that before. And why does the purpose matter? You can do a bad thing without meaning to.",
">\n\nI meant to say isn't that the purpose lol mb",
">\n\nOh lol I probably should have realized that. But I think the point of the insult was to offend Andrew Tate.",
">\n\nFair. Trying to not say anything about him one way or another so I don't get downvoted to hell.",
">\n\nGreta lost that argument. She literally has like a hundred things Tate has said and done she could attack. Easy target... The one thing she chose to do is to body shame the man. It's just name calling. It's not a refutation of Tate. If anything it makes her sound stupid for her inability to come up with a refutation.",
">\n\nExactly. But people are just cheering her on and laughing along without grasping the nuance of the situation.",
">\n\nI think you are kinda missing the point. People know it offensive. The issue is that they don't care.",
">\n\nPeople used to make fun of small tits all the time. Remember the 90s? Remember the itty bitty titty committee? I don't know if that's a thing any more, but skinny women with no butts are definitely not seen as attractive. It's not fair. It's not their fault. People need to stop shaming themselves and eachother, and accept all bodies. Until then, \"small dick energy\" won't cease to be an insult. I guess the difference is people are sort of \"punching up\" since it's always been people with dicks who have the power in this world. I've never heard a dude say that another dude has \"small dick energy.\" It's always a woman saying that. Either way I think it's dumb but I get it. I've always thought \"Karen\" was a dumb insult too. Not someone's fault they were named Karen, LOL.",
">\n\nAndrew insulted her. He was asking for this insult. She was totally in the right. She wasn’t trying to shame anyone else. You’re asking for this insult too.",
">\n\nIsn't it more offensive for small pp folk, that there is a guy who base his entire existence on top of an argument that being an alpha, prime male is the most important thing in the world, and you need to be a testosterone bomb gorilla to have any kind of value. Isn't that argument disregards small dick guys in the first place?",
">\n\nAnd Greta just reinforced it with her reply. Do you see the problem now?\nEdit:replaced \"comment\" with \"reply\"",
">\n\nI believe I've already made a statement about what the problem is.",
">\n\nThen do you understand why Greta's reply is offensive and playing into Andrew Tate's hands?",
">\n\nLol this is twitter. There is no playing into each other's hands. Get outside.",
">\n\nOh look. Greta is human. Someone who spent a lot of her growing up time trying to educate people.\nIf she was in a bar and some doofus made a pass, she's just asserting herself. Age and context. Good on her.",
">\n\nIt is actually been studied. Men with small penises actually do have less energy- testosterone or something.",
">\n\nBeing offended by anything is each person's individual choice. If something is offensive to you, then simply choose to not be offended by it. It's truly that simple.",
">\n\nSo there is no such thing as hate speech?",
">\n\nNo, I didn't say that. Someone can certainly say something to someone that they hate with words that they feel will harm them mentally. That is \"hate speech\". The point I was trying to make is that we all as individuals have the choice to react to whatever someone says in whatever way we choose to react. If I feel offended by something that someone is saying, it is my choice to be offended by it.",
">\n\nI pretty much agree, but now we come to who decides. Does the person doing the talking decide whether it is hate speech? Or the person being talked at?",
">\n\nThere is no decision. The person who is talking thinks that what they are saying is not hateful, or they do. The person being talked at thinks that what the other person is saying is hateful, or they don't. The point is that it only matters if you make it matter to you. For example, if I say you are the dumbest person on earth, am I committing the crime of hate speech? Are you the dumbest person on earth? Probably not. But maybe I believe that you are. Does that make it true? If so, then it's not hate speech it's the truth...to me. If you, personally, believe that you are not the dumbest person on earth, then why would you concern yourself with what my dumbass has to say? To you, I'm the dumbest person on earth. I hope I'm getting my point across here.",
">\n\nSo we agree then? No laws regarding hate speech at all. You just ignore it and move on.",
">\n\nYes, sir.",
">\n\nYup",
">\n\nWhat if I say that I am offended that you are offended that you say \"small dick energy\" is offensive to men that are insecure about their size? Say I'm a man with a huge, massive dong. Say it's been a huge issue for me all my life. Let's say, hypothetically, that I am hugely insecure about the massive size of my dong and it's given me problems all my life. Every time I, hypothetically, go for a jog it's constantly flopping all over the place chaffing up my leg. Every time I have sex it's always this huge issue and only like half of the thing can go in before the receiver is like \"oh my god, stop, that's too much!\" Every time I receive oral sex, anything more than an inch beyond the tip causes a gag reflex. Does that sound exciting to you? Here you are bragging about your completely normal sized penis and all your normal sized penis sex and here this hypothetical person with a huge massive dong has all these issues. I can see how a hypothetical person with this debilitating issue would take offense that you take offense.",
">\n\nShe's an edgelord",
">\n\nreddit",
">\n\nSounds like a skill issue",
">\n\nDo you really get that offended? It's not like males themselves haven't sexualized females and their bodies and have said even worse and more common things about them? But we get offended over sum small? pun intended",
">\n\n“Some males have sexualized females therefore it’s fine for society to make fun of penis size.”",
">\n\nSociety? I don't see everyone (which represents society) doing it 😂 maybe you are focusing too much on negativity and that's all you see",
">\n\nSaying “small dick energy” is inherently a negative thing because it’s an insult. It also implies that there’s something bad about less endowed people because Tate is being compared to that demographic. \nWhen I say society, I mean that a decent percentage of people have “____ dick energy” built into their vocabulary to the point where the meaning of these terms is widely agreed on and it loses it’s direct connection to the penis. This doesn’t mean that the term is appropriate to use though since it originated from actual body shaming.",
">\n\nBattle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.",
">\n\nI think you should consider the situation at hand and less the use of insults as an absolute \nAndrew Tate absolutely deserves it",
">\n\nthe post its about the insult. \n\"Yeah I called this person a N... but lets focus on how bad that person is!!\"\nThe insult not only its very inflammatory (shows patriarcal estigmas,Its body shaming, reinforces toxic masculinity)\nIts also an extremely weak answer, its a groundless ad hominem. I would dare to argue the insult talks more about breta and his internalized toxic patriarcal estigmas than anything against tate.",
">\n\nGreta didn't start this. He was harassing her.",
">\n\n\"He started it\" -That's a toddler's excuse lmao",
">\n\nSo, in your opinion, Greta would have insulted him whether he had harassed her first, or not?",
">\n\nHer insulting him isn't the problem here. Its how she insulted him that's problematic.",
">\n\nWell, if he didn't want to be insulted, he could've done pretty much anything else with his time. I love the way you think people should be able to gatekeep how other people should hurt the feelings of people who are harassing them.",
">\n\nI'm not defending him or saying his feelings are hurt or that he doesn't deserve the insult. You're completely missing the point of this post and what we've been discussing. \n\"Body shaming is acceptable when it's directed at people we don't like\"- this is the hypocrisy that's being pointed out. It's not about who's better Tate or Greta but it's the bigger issue of shaming men's insecurities without any regard to their mental health. Do you get it now?",
">\n\nI think I do. It hadn't occurred to me that you might have a small penis. My apologies. Perhaps just as Greta Thurnberg travels the world as an advocate for awareness of Climate Change, you can break down the stereotype that people with small penises have energy. You should probably do as little as possible, though, since you don't want to be accused of having \"energy.\"",
">\n\nWasted my time replying after your \"he started it\" comment smh. Toddler mentality gugu gaga talk to me after you understand the issue.\nEdit: issue",
">\n\nI'm sorry about your peepee. But you have taught me not to trust stereotypes. And learning is fundamental.",
">\n\nI almost forgot. Please don't use the word toddler. It's offensive to small children.",
">\n\nFirst of all \"small dick energy\" shames the energy, not the small dick. It shames the fact to be insecure by your dick size (which is a metaphor for being insecure about your masculinity in general) and overcompensate by doing big manly stuff. It doesn't shame the fact to have a small dick.\nYou can argue that it is as bad, but it's important to understand that.",
">\n\nDon't be a cunt mate.",
">\n\nTechnically yes its body shaming but it's not that big a deal I think",
">\n\nIt has more to do with how they're acting rather than actual anatomy size.",
">\n\ncouple things: small dicks is one of the things about men that men tend to care about to an obsessive degree, that women do to a way lesser degree but pretend to, because men typically like to have a very braggadocious and obnoxious attitude about everything. this tate guy is that to the nth degree. so i mean if anyone deserves being called \"SDE\" its this tate guy \nsecond thing is that people who genuinely do have small dicks don't own that they have what they do; they lie about it. people who really do own that they have small dicks aren't made fun of for having them, because its not funny; the whole point is that you're lying about it and pretending like you're some big shot stud asshole, when you're not. if you own that you have a small dick, then ironically, you don't have \"SDE\"; you own what you have, you're not overcompensating and pretending to be something you're not. \nso if greta thunburg was to call, say, howard stern \"SDE\", a dude who owns that he has a small dick and makes fun of himself for it, then it wouldn't be funny. and howard stern even IS a braggadocious asshole. andrew tate is just wayyyyy more of one, and he pretend like he's god's gift to women. \nin general when it comes to \"oh poor men won't anybody think of the men\" i just cringe. i'm not the most liberal guy. but conservative guys just reappropriating the oppression olympics self-victimization shit and applying it to themselves is just pathetic.",
">\n\nSmall dick guy here... I always felt like guys like Howard Stern were compensating for it by self-loathing comedy. That's a big thing comedians do in general, and so to me it's always hard to say a guy truly doesn't care about it just because he's joking about it. On the other hand, maybe I'm just projecting, because I'll poke fun at my tiny pecker and not really care if someone makes fun of me for it, but it also does truly bother me a little bit when I hear things like, \"Oh that guy is an asshole, he must be mad because he has a tiny dick.\" Like... As if all us small guys are just furious that we aren't gonna win the dick-measuring contest that we let it affect our daily lives. It's a matter of extremes I think. I'm sure there's some guys with small ones that genuinely don't give a single fuck, and others who let it influence their entire lives, but I think most men with a small wang living in a society which implies that's a bad thing are going to end up somewhere in the middle of the scale.\nThe people I really feel bad for are the young people. Growing up with a small dick is a million times harder than being an adult with one. For the most part, nobody really cares if you're a grown man that's small, but when you're a teenager you feel like everybody cares. I had a really hard time wanting to pursue girls because of it, always worried about what their reaction would be, is they'd tell their girlfriends and it would get back to the other guys, etc. And that DOES happen... I remember being at the lunch table and someone saying, 'Did you hear Mike's dick is only x inches?\" and I'd be sitting there like, an inch shorter than Mike and pretending that I found it as funny as everyone else around the table. It didn't really hit me until I was much older that I probably wasn't the only one at the table doing that. Plus I always thought it was weird like, at least that was evidence \"Mike\" was getting some, why should he care if it was small? It wasn't until I got over it and had a few flings and girlfriends that I realized it made such a little difference (pun intended) than what I had built it up to in my mind.\nSo I mean... Yeah, I think some guys do truly have small dick energy, but all that means is they're insecure and I think it kind of sucks that people don't think about the feelings of people who had no part of the fight who get their feelings hurt as collateral damage, and that somehow just because of the douche the insult was leveled at we go, \"Haha you feel insecure about your body!\"\nOne thing it makes me think about that I'm guilty of is calling guys closet-cases. Yeah, I am just trying to point out they're overcompensating about things because they are ashamed of their sexuality, but I don't really take a pause and think, \"Wow, I bet that makes the people actually in the closet feel like shit.\" In some ways, I think it's even worse than just simple body shaming that as a society we're going around making fun of people for issues that could very well be deep seeded mental health issues, or could become so.",
">\n\nidk i just think that the only people being accused of having small dicks are people who are so obnoxious that it feels like they're compensating, like this guy. so sure its \"body shaming\", but a) body shaming is just something that happens that idk if we can ever really do anything about, because human beings value different body parts differently, and b) its only really shaming people because of their behavior, not their bodies. its shaming their behavior, by implying something about their bodies that would be embarrassing particularly for a person who is displaying this behavior, like tate does, because somebody that obsessed with getting chicks would probably be extremely concerned if people thought he had a small dick.",
">\n\nYeah that's the thing though, for me it really bothers me more that people think I'm going around being an asshole, driving a huge truck or otherwise trying to compensate just because my dick is small. I can also see the idea that it implies that having a small dick is bad. I mean just the idea that you can 'accuse' anyone of it implies there's something wrong with it.\nI mean, to me that's easier to hand-wave the idea that there's something wrong with it since I've had enough lived experience to know it doesn't matter. However, I feel like there's probably a lot of people out there who haven't who are still really hung up on it, particularly young people. I know I already brought up homosexuality, but it reminds me of when people use to say you shouldn't call things gay because it puts a negative connotation on homosexuality. Speaking of that, there's that phrase, \"It gets better,\" that is used to comfort/console LGTBQ youths and I think it should be applied to body-image issues too--whether that be penis size, breast size, weight, whatever. Looking back on my life, it was definitely the insecurities that negatively effected me far more than my actual size ever did. \nBut yeah I also feel like there's kind of a lot of people just trying to paint this as her being caught being a hypocrite or something, and I agree with you that I especially hate it when men frame it as some kind of, \"Oh look, see, we're oppressed too. So much for feminism!\" kind of argument.\nI guess I just see both sides of it.",
">\n\nVery well put. I honestly think you have changed some minds today. Hopefully more people stop and think before blindly defending someone they look up to.",
">\n\nI have a small dick, it's fine",
">\n\nThat's the point.",
">\n\nNo shit.",
">\n\n\"small dick energy\" isn't mocking someone for their penis size but for behaving in a way that they are compensating for insecurities and people like Tait measure their masculinity in \"I own cars\" is the epitome of trying to mask insecurities",
">\n\nI think the point about \"energy\" keeps being ignored. \nYou can have a small dick, but with thoughtfulness and confidence never have \"small dick energy\"\nYou can have a big schlong and be a needy jerkstore which gives you \"small dick energy\"\nAnd you can be like Andrew Tate and have a very small one and have \"small dick energy\" and be an absolute creepy, dumbass attention goblin.\nThe grand majority of people don't give a flip about the size of your dick. People with dicks care about the size of their own dick. It's the assumption that everyone cares as much as they do about their dick that's the real problem.",
">\n\nSo you agree the stereotype is false ..... and hurtful. If it's really an assumption as you say then people won't use \"tiny dick\" as an insult on people they don't like right? If no one really cares then there's no need to use it as an insult anyway right? Right??\nBut they do because it's socially acceptable to body shame men for some reason. Just see the tweet posts in other subs and their comments section laughing along, cheering her on and poking fun at men who have small penises and the stereotypes associated with such.",
">\n\nI don't know how old you are but like.\nSaying small dick energy actually has anything to do with the size of someone's dick is like culturally irrelevant.\nLike you can have a tiny dick and still have big dick energy and you can have a big dick and have small dick energy.\nBecause, Most people who need to project their insecurities are insulted by the size assumption.\nIt's more about the idea of insulting someone by saying they're just trying to project masculinity. This is the same reason why being in small dick energy is really used in all circles and not just as a male centered insult.\nLike buck and stud lesbians love the fuck out of that term.\nPeople with a small dick who get insulted by the general idea of small dick energy as an insult need to deal with their own insecurities.\nI'd much rather have a small dick than small dick energy.",
">\n\nIf the size is irrelevant, why associate being small with only negative traits and being big with only positive traits? You can't, and you could just say that being smaller makes you a bad person. It would be more honest. I'm sure people dealing with insecurities appreciate being associated with a human trafficker...",
">\n\nLike I said I have a small dick and would rather have a small dick than have small dick energy.\nThe whole point is that the only people who care about size are people who are easily insecure.\nIt's because they care the people making the jokes know that size doesn't matter and they're not making fun of people who have small dicks they're making fun of the people who care so much about what the size of their dick is that an influences their entire self worth.",
">\n\nThere are plenty of secure people who care about size. They are big, so they don't get made fun of. The people who make the jokes, whether they realize it or not, imply that small = bad person. It reinforces to insecure people that they are wrong for something that they have no control over and that people around them, including loved ones, would think lesser of them, because they probably would if they are making these jokes.",
">\n\nBro I'm not big and I'm pointing out that not everyone who has a small dick is insulted by the idea of small dick energy this really seems to be a you problem.",
">\n\nI'M pointing out that not everyone who is offended is a bad person, but people, like anyone defending this phrase, are just going to pretend to not understand because this is something people don't care if you make fun of, so this is just a waste of time.",
">\n\n\nNot everyone who is offended is a bad person\n\nYeah, they're just wrongly offended because they assume the intent of something from a community they are not a part of. This is happening more and more because of how the internet is working.\nIs like \"Okay Boomer\" wasn't actually about being born a boomer but about the Mindset of the generation.\nIt's the YOU and the other people offended who refuse to understand that \"Small Dick Energy\" isn't connected to you're actual dick size.",
">\n\nIf it's not connected to the dick size then why even phrase it as \"Small Dick Energy\"??\nYou're trying to alter the meaning of words to fit your narrative instead of seeing it for what it is: body shaming against men. Even in your interpretation of the phrase saying it's a mindset it's still wrong that it's equating a shitty mindset with people who have small dicks. Why is this so hard to understand?",
">\n\nBecause it's only the people who are so insecure about their dick size who would get offended by the thought of small dick energy being an insult so it's kind of like self-selecting.\nIt's like when women say I hate men if you're not a man who shitty to women you're not going to get offended by people saying that.\nWe're not making fun of people for having small dicks we're making fun of people for acting like anyone in society cares about the size of your dick.",
">\n\nYour first paragraph basically says that body shaming isn't offensive or hurtful because only people who are insecure will get hurt and offended. That's just wrong. Why? Because it's unnecessarily cruel and just pokes fun at people who are insecure and struggling with their body image. That's punching down on people and shaming them for no reason. \"Small dick energy\" jokes are a form of toxic masculinity and on brand with Tate but now it's legitimised by Greta who's supposed to be progressive and not hateful against people with insecurities. You see the hypocrisy and inconsistency here?\nI don't want to keep repeating myself. Give the top comments a good read and you'll get it.",
">\n\nDoubling down on this saying that also \"Big Dick Energy\" it's an objectification that implicitly disqualifies men who are not allegedly big. But since it's not aimed at women it's totally irrelevant in body shaming debate: you know, fat women must be accepted and regarded as beautiful, but short men? No thanks.",
">\n\nI think context is really important here. Since Andrew Tate is a one-dimensional moron who deserves to feel bad about himself, we know that he values a very surface-level perception of masculinity that is reflected by penis size.\nGenerally, I think making fun of small dicks is pointless, because a person's worth isn't determined by that. But if someone is loudly projecting that they think their worth is determined by that and also makes a living putting down an entire gender, it's fair game IMO.",
">\n\nShe basically proved the \"moron\"s point. Do you understand this? \nHe spews BS that masculinity is reflected by penis size ( having a small penis is shameful) and she basically goes on to insult him with that exact premise. Reinforcing the insult and body shaming people who have nothing to do with him or her. He could be vile and deserving of insults but the way he's insulted reinforces toxic masculinity, which is his entire freaking brand. \nHe has gained more attention and probably more followers now as men who feel left out and laughed at join his ranks making him richer and more influential than he deserves. It was a dumb reply on her part and should be criticized for such, not cheered on.",
">\n\nThis post has small dick energy",
">\n\n?, Andrew tate entire brand its that you should be a \"big dick\" male alpha testosterone and shit. his answer its entirely in his character.\nGreat just reinforced his behaviour. <- thats the wrong part about insulting someone who is entire view promotes toxic masculinity by adding more fuel to that belief. in other words, reinforcing that there is something wrong with you if you have a small penis.",
">\n\nHe literally used it as an insult. If OP has an issue with small dick energy, specifically saying small dick is just even worse. \nAs such if Greta is bad, Tate was even worse."
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So if a random person starts talking shit to you, you are required to take the high road?
This is the same shit as "minorities must behave with grace when dealing with racists and bigots". No thanks. Greta is better because of it.
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"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult.",
">\n\nIt's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh.",
">\n\nHonestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV",
">\n\nPeople can make mistakes and this was one of them.. so we can all just criticize her reply fairly and move on. No need for acute mental gymnastics to defend her as this comments section is showing lmao.",
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">\n\nI don't think anyone is arguing it's not offensive. I'm pretty sure she was trying to offend insecure men. Apparently with great success.",
">\n\nShe was trying to offend men who were insecure about their body image?\nHow is that not body shaming?",
">\n\nIt is, but we playing the avoidance and rationalization game",
">\n\nbecause women invented \"small dick energy\"\nharsh, sad. but we go jim🗿",
">\n\nOP never mentioned women tho. Post is strictly about why it's offensive. Do you disagree that it's not offensive or you think it's a trivial matter to make fun of that men's mental health doesn't matter as much?",
">\n\nThe female equivalent is\n\"Loose Pussy Energy\".\nThe typical man-hate hypocrisy commonly going around is beyond obvious. And it is an attack on All men and boys not just some.",
">\n\nNot a disagreement per se, but also worth noting that it’s transphobic. Which is to say, it insults all men by reinforcing patriarchy and punching down to two groups of men.",
">\n\nShe said small dick energy. Not that he had a small dick (though, come on). She used that phrase BECAUSE it's Tate. She's not a moron.\nHe is, as evidenced by his life to this point and his two responses to Thunberg, which were epically pathetic, is a moron and didn't seem to get it, though he doesn't get a lot.",
">\n\nThis is worse than saying he has a small dick, because how would she know, and that would just be dismissed as stupid.\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\nI can't understand the mental gymnastics some people are doing to try and say this isn't body shaming.",
">\n\n\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\n\nI mean yeah -- kind of like how pussy is an insult denoting cowardice, cunt is an insult meaning basically, terrible, etc., \nShe used that on purpose. Are you making CMV every time you see someone calling someone else a pussy?",
">\n\nPussy is kind of already known to be a shitty gendered insult so it doesn't need a CMV. In this case, Greta's gendered \"having a small penis is bad\" tweet is massively amplified, reached r/all on a shitload of subs, etc. so some discussion about whether or not that is cool is warranted",
">\n\nSmall dick energy isn’t about having a small dick tho. It’s a reflection of an attitude that men who are offensive, aggressive, nasty to people are overcompensating for their insecurities. A small dick doesn’t mean you won’t be able to find a partner or that you’re any less of a man. Being a downright trash bag of a human to others, like in this instance where an internet edgelord is cyber bullying a teenager on the internet who is fighting for the survival of our planet/humanity is an example of this trash behavior, is more of a determining factor. \nYou can also have a small dick but have big dick energy, as it’s reflective of who you are as a person. It’s an attitude. It’s who you choose to be to yourself and others. Hell, there’s women who use the term that they have big dick energy and I can tell you those women’s dicks are none existent so therefore size isn’t a thing. \nNo one should be made fun of for something they had no control over. The worth of a man is not tied to the size of his penis. Although, toxic masculinity and shallow people will tell you different. They say the same for disabled people, fat people etc. There’s plenty of people who are not “conventional standards of beauty” which is the majority of us, that lead happy, healthy relationships. Those relationships start with yourself and understanding your worth as a person isn’t tied to what you look like or how big your junk is. \nThe point is if you choose to be a trash person like Tate, where your self worth is tied into how cruel/offensive you can be to other people, don’t be mad if people call you out for that trashy attitude. Your post definitely reeks of “men are the true victims” when clearly you didn’t seem to have a problem with a grown man cyber bullying a teenager.",
">\n\nI like how you imply that OP is a fan of a literal human trafficker because they point out that a body-shaming insult is body-shaming. Do you understand why associating a trait of someone's body with negative personality traits is bad?",
">\n\nNo because people like this always have exceptions that allow them to use the things they complain about. Cognitive gymnastics allows them to recognise shaming women and people of colour is bad, because society will eat them otherwise, but when someone shows up who deserves a bit of a roasting all of their social etiquette rules go out the window and the excuses come out as to why in this context it doesn't count.\n\"Ahh no, here it is a reflection of an attitude\" blah blah 3 paragraphs later and we've clouded over the simple fact that body shaming is body shaming and harms people you weren't intending to insult.",
">\n\nPeople like this? You’re assuming things about me because I am a character in your mind not a real person. I am not a monolith. We should not be body shaming people. I am explaining the other side of this issue and why people use these terms. You never asked if I use these same terms in my life. You assumed I do. I don’t. You didn’t even bother to read my response because if you did you would have realized this.",
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">\n\nYou can have smol pp but big pp energy and vice versa",
">\n\nSo why is the phrase small dick energy if it has nothing to do with having a small dick?",
">\n\nIdk man, I just work here.",
">\n\nYou know why. Lol cause small dick is associated with bad. And by insulting dicks you use this knowledge to offend, at the cost of body shaming people. \nStop feigning dumb just to avoid the reasoning lol",
">\n\nI can see how it would be offensive, and I wouldn’t use it myself. I feel like the phrase refers more to how someone acts as opposed to how they are endowed. And how it’s behavior and actions that make people think down of you not your penis.",
">\n\nPoint is that we, as a society, should encourage better insults that attack the comments of the person without necessarily having to equate it to something someone with a small dick.",
">\n\nWould you agree with me, that if Andrew clapped back with one of those that the internet would be up in arms about it?",
">\n\nYou mean the way that you are, here, on the internet, up in arms?",
">\n\nIm one person on reddit, theres no major backlash like there would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\nSee, what's happening here is that you are also looking at people who are \"one person on Reddit\" and pretending it's a major backlash. Andrew Tate says fucked up things about women all the time (in fact, it's kind of his whole schtick) and it's as much of a non-event as this is.",
">\n\nPlease link me to something fucked up hes said about women, and ill agree with you, two wrongs don't make a right.",
">\n\nHere's exhibit A.",
">\n\nSure I agree with you he has said fucked up stuff about women, it doesn't mean its okay to make a joke about small dick energy.\nDo you understand my point?",
">\n\nWe understand, it's just that your point is fucking stupid",
">\n\nYou have no idea what his point is, it's funny that people on this thread OP and others actually like Andrew Tate.\nIt proves that everyone is completely frothingly tribalistic with zero nuance.",
">\n\nIf someone is behaving insufferably, people are going to laugh at them for things that they wouldn’t find funny if it happened to someone they liked.\nFor example, is it funny when people go bankrupt? No. Would it be funny if someone like Andrew Tate went bankrupt after boasting about Bugattis and all of his mass wealth? Yes. This doesn’t mean people who would make fun of him for that are making fun of poverty or all people who lose their livelihoods, it would just be funny if it happened to that particular person. \nIn the same way, the idea that Tate does all the douchey, over the top macho things that he does in order to compensate for having a small penis is funny, whilst it not being funny to make fun of every person who has a small penis.",
">\n\nSubstitute fat. Is that ok?",
">\n\nDepends on what the fat person is doing. If the person is minding their own business then no, if the fat person is attacking other people’s appearances then yeah go for it.",
">\n\nInteresting take. Might want to play with that a bit. A lot of situations where your reasoning falls apart.",
">\n\nPeople insulted Trump for being fat when he tried to say he was like the most fit person ever. People make fun of Elon Musk's body. You can make the same type of insult to two different people and it come off two different ways. \nWhen you make your identity or argument around something it opens up certain insults and comebacks. \nTate's whole thing is trying to act like this \"alpha male\" when in reality he's a sex trafficking weirdo who pays women to hang out with him. It's totally fine to insult him with a childish insult. \nI also find that people worried or mad about this don't actually care about body image issues. They just want a gotcha moment for people. Because many would have shitty takes about fat people or whine about pc culture.",
">\n\nWhen you call some MF that doesn't necessarily mean you are a MF... I'm not saying it's okay to say abusing words but we still do use them.\nI don't think she said it in literal terms, it was completely literary. Also she only said it cause it was Tate who she said it to. Also if a woman has small tits and someone said to someone else that they have small tits energy, I don't think one who actually has small tits would mind it, cause she is not involved and it's kinda perfect way of irritating Tate.. cause he really cares about these things. \nWhen it comes to increasing the insecurity of someone who actually has small D and is insecure about it... She couldn't think so far cause all she wanted was to irritate Tate and she was successful",
">\n\nI don't think it even irritated him if that was her goal but definitely helped him with popularity. It just proves what he says people think of insecure men, it just moves them to him and he gains more influence. It was an ignorant reply in poor taste. Someone with much following and influence as Greta shouldn't be as irresponsible and the followers shouldn't be having to do mental gymnastics to defend her instead of seeing it as it is: body shaming against men.",
">\n\nIs this some kind of weird meta-game? Are Andrew Tate fans pretending to actually be offended by this stupid insult to prove a point? Does anybody actually think her retort was any sharper than a brick wrapped in a wet blanket?\nWhat is going on here?!",
">\n\n\nWhat is going on here?!\n\nAndrew Tate fans have a lot of small dick energy. That's whats going on.",
">\n\nWhy are people not allowed dislike tate (he's an absolute idiot and a grifter) and also to criticize obvious body shaming from a supposed progressive? If Biden started talking about \"N*gger energy\" criticizing Kanye for antisemitism, would that be ok in your eyes? Would you say that a black guy who doesn't like that must be an angry Kanye fan? Or is it disgustingly offensive towards all African Americans to use that type of language no matter what?",
">\n\nBecause it suits their narrative to frame it as if people are just defending tate. It's easier than just actually defending body shaming. Done deal.",
">\n\nI think Greta used that phrase not because she actually believes or wants to promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior, but because people like Andrew Tate believe and promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior. If Andrew Tate gets hurt because Greta says he has small dick energy, then maybe -- just maybe, with the tiniest bit of introspection -- he'll come to realize how hateful some of his language is.\nBullies like Andrew Tate don't really respond to logic or pleas for sympathy. The only way to maybe make them understand the hurt they cause is to inflict it on them, because they don't care about anyone but themselves. \nSo instead of putting the cart before the horse and blaming Greta for using an offensive phrase as an argumentative tactic, maybe blame the people who use the phrase to actually demean people.",
">\n\nCan we substitute fat instead and be justified?",
">\n\nYes people did that with Trump when he claimed to be the fittest person ever basically. If someone has a habit of insulting people a certain way or making certain claims then they open themselves up to specific insults. \nSometimes we'd find those insults not tasteful if said to other people. But I feel like most people equating this to fat insults don't actually care about fat people. A lot of people would also be like oh things are getting too pc or soft or woke when it comes to body positivity towards fat people. So for me it's hard to buy this line of reasoning as being truly valid or caring.",
">\n\nNo one said it has to be authentic caring. This sub is for exploring the intellectual arguments. Your perception of how authentic someone’s feelings towards fat people is basically irrelevant. Argue the point or don’t. Passing your authenticity test is a wierd standard to try to argue for.",
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">\n\nYes, making insults is offensive. That's the point.\nInsults that reference a body part are also offensive to people who are insecure about that body part. That's also kinda obvious.\nWhat do you want your mind changed about here? I'm unclear about what you think can be discussed about an insult meant to be insulting. Are you arguing that this insult is especially wrong in some way?\nHow is this not just you soapboxing?",
">\n\nThere's a reason as a society we don't use insults like \"retard\". This is in the same vein. You're attributing a negative thing with a man having a small penis. This is harmful as it perpetuates the stigma surrounding penis size which is outside ones control. Essentially it degrades a group of people who have nothing to do with it. OP wants to know whether or not this is reconciled. Reading the comments... It has not been. \nMaking gendered insults doesn't bother me truthfully but I can understand the frustration OP is expressing because were it to be a man making some edgy reference to a woman's lady parts being inadequate as a way to demean them then everyone would be outraged as opposed to cheering it on.",
">\n\nUsing “small dick” as an insult, or “loose pussy” isn’t really offensive unless you are insecure about the physical viability of your reproductive organs. \nBut, that doesn’t make it funny. It’s a really juvenile and uncreative way of ridiculing someone.",
">\n\nInsecure women are offended when they're fat shamed.\nIt's still body shaming.\nIt's still wrong.",
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">\n\nGuy randomly decides to flex on her by saying I HAVE CARS AND I LIKE TO GO VROOOOM. It's like when Piers decides that it's absolutely important to eat meat in front of vegans. It's not about penis size. It's just that smalldickenergy is a perfect explanation of why would someone decide to behave like this.",
">\n\nShe is 19. Maybe in a few years she will have more mature insults. It’s a lot of pressure to be put on someone so young to also say the perfect thing all the time",
">\n\nUnder nearly all circumstances, I agree with you.\nHowever, for a lot of people who have built a cult of personality around any given ideal, insults of the inoffensive type are completely commonplace. All they have to do is fend off one or two instances of this PG rated attacks, strawman them, call them snowflakes, and their following is bolstered and enhanced. Instead of having any negative effect, it becomes part of their inherent power.\nSometimes if you want to rattle a cult leader you have to hit with precision their most critical weakness and watch them implode. The fact that Tate is squirming so hard and doing everything he can to reclaim some of his dignity after Greta's clapback means that she has his number. Great isn't saying that having a small dick is bad, but knowing that Tate's entire personality is built about being an alpha male and that calling into question the size of his member will hurt him the most is what she was after. \nOf course, it wasn't classy and could be offensive to some. But as the saying goes, sometimes you have to fight fire with fire.",
">\n\nReally is he squirming? \nHe's rich he's popular and now he's gotten someone he disagrees with to repeat his ideology and platform spreading it to a wider audience. \nI'd argue he's happy for the attention and popularity that she's given to him now and enjoying the increased sales in his business as more men who feel marginalized and left out join him seeing this hypocrisy playing out. Not to mention all the political players( internationally) who were against climate action seeing all this and aligning themselves appropriately, possibly propping him up and making him something more than what he actually is- An ignorant troll. \nEngage with a troll and you only give them more power. The tweet was dumb and people should know better.\nEdit: spacing",
">\n\nI'm not commenting on whether or not his fans will like him more or if the controversy will inadvertently grant him a wider audience. \nI'm commenting that Greta knew exactly where and how to hit him the hardest. Yes, he is definitely squirming. He has scrambled out half a dozen prepubescent \"I know you are but what am I\" tweets. Then he went and made the absolute cringiest response video. He's incensed by being talked down to by Greta and is overcompensating. \nDid her tweet have any net positive effect on society? No. Did it ruffle Tate's feathers and make his blood boil? Yea. Would he have even cared if she called him a misogynistic prick? Absolutely not. He would have just told her to sit down and shut up, that misogyny is made up by inferior women blah blah blah...\nInstead, his insecurities are eating him alive.",
">\n\nWhy even respond and give him attention that he so desperately craves? And why body shame men in the process? \nIf she didn't have a better insult she could have just went on with her life instead of helping him grow. Using \"small dick energy\" as an insult means implicitly we agree that people with small penises are inferior and undesirable. That's basically what Tate is on about ( Toxic masculinity). And by laughing at her tweet we all reinforce that perception. Do you get that? \nSick of double standards and hypocrisy. At least people should have the courage to own up and acknowledge it then move on instead of doubling down and performing mental gymnastics to justify an obvious case of body shaming.\nI agree with you on one thing that the net effect on society because of this tweet exchange is negative and only serves the people who Greta and her followers hate.",
">\n\nI think you are missing what I am saying. I fully agree that it wasn't necessary nor was it the right thing for Greta to do. I also agree that it just gives him attention and was overall a useless venture other for the entertainment of Tate haters.\nOP asked why it is okay. I stated that it isn't okay but that I understand why Greta took that road rather than the suggested non-offensive approach. It is because he's immune to it. What he isn't immune to is his masculinity and ego being questioned. What is the point of the Wolf continuing to blow on the brick house? None. To get to the scared little piggies inside he needs a jackhammer. \nAnd it worked exactly how she planned it to. He was rattled and anyone who hates Tate is amused. \nNot saying it's the right thing to do, nor do I want anyone to feel ashamed of the size of their penis.",
">\n\nOk.. thanks for elaborating on that. I misunderstood your comment as a disagreement and engaged to try and change your mind but seems we share the same view.",
">\n\nYou do not know what Greta is \"fully aware\" of. She is referring to character and behaviour, why are you taking this personally? She isn't speaking to you, hasn't seen you, doesn't know you. I don't know why you are externalizing your issue like this and waving it around in public, is it our responsibility to fix this for you?\nShe was just making a tiny joke. Relax. smalldickenergy @ getalife .com is hilarious.",
">\n\nAside from everything else, it's men who started the 'big dick energy' idiocy so to then complain when someone uses their own stupidity against them...",
">\n\nYeah because men are a monolith and we all meet in a room and know each other smh.",
">\n\nThey’re saying it’s offensive to more than just Andrew Tate",
">\n\nYeah but again, ISN'T THE PURPOSE",
">\n\nWhat do you mean again? You didn’t say that before. And why does the purpose matter? You can do a bad thing without meaning to.",
">\n\nI meant to say isn't that the purpose lol mb",
">\n\nOh lol I probably should have realized that. But I think the point of the insult was to offend Andrew Tate.",
">\n\nFair. Trying to not say anything about him one way or another so I don't get downvoted to hell.",
">\n\nGreta lost that argument. She literally has like a hundred things Tate has said and done she could attack. Easy target... The one thing she chose to do is to body shame the man. It's just name calling. It's not a refutation of Tate. If anything it makes her sound stupid for her inability to come up with a refutation.",
">\n\nExactly. But people are just cheering her on and laughing along without grasping the nuance of the situation.",
">\n\nI think you are kinda missing the point. People know it offensive. The issue is that they don't care.",
">\n\nPeople used to make fun of small tits all the time. Remember the 90s? Remember the itty bitty titty committee? I don't know if that's a thing any more, but skinny women with no butts are definitely not seen as attractive. It's not fair. It's not their fault. People need to stop shaming themselves and eachother, and accept all bodies. Until then, \"small dick energy\" won't cease to be an insult. I guess the difference is people are sort of \"punching up\" since it's always been people with dicks who have the power in this world. I've never heard a dude say that another dude has \"small dick energy.\" It's always a woman saying that. Either way I think it's dumb but I get it. I've always thought \"Karen\" was a dumb insult too. Not someone's fault they were named Karen, LOL.",
">\n\nAndrew insulted her. He was asking for this insult. She was totally in the right. She wasn’t trying to shame anyone else. You’re asking for this insult too.",
">\n\nIsn't it more offensive for small pp folk, that there is a guy who base his entire existence on top of an argument that being an alpha, prime male is the most important thing in the world, and you need to be a testosterone bomb gorilla to have any kind of value. Isn't that argument disregards small dick guys in the first place?",
">\n\nAnd Greta just reinforced it with her reply. Do you see the problem now?\nEdit:replaced \"comment\" with \"reply\"",
">\n\nI believe I've already made a statement about what the problem is.",
">\n\nThen do you understand why Greta's reply is offensive and playing into Andrew Tate's hands?",
">\n\nLol this is twitter. There is no playing into each other's hands. Get outside.",
">\n\nOh look. Greta is human. Someone who spent a lot of her growing up time trying to educate people.\nIf she was in a bar and some doofus made a pass, she's just asserting herself. Age and context. Good on her.",
">\n\nIt is actually been studied. Men with small penises actually do have less energy- testosterone or something.",
">\n\nBeing offended by anything is each person's individual choice. If something is offensive to you, then simply choose to not be offended by it. It's truly that simple.",
">\n\nSo there is no such thing as hate speech?",
">\n\nNo, I didn't say that. Someone can certainly say something to someone that they hate with words that they feel will harm them mentally. That is \"hate speech\". The point I was trying to make is that we all as individuals have the choice to react to whatever someone says in whatever way we choose to react. If I feel offended by something that someone is saying, it is my choice to be offended by it.",
">\n\nI pretty much agree, but now we come to who decides. Does the person doing the talking decide whether it is hate speech? Or the person being talked at?",
">\n\nThere is no decision. The person who is talking thinks that what they are saying is not hateful, or they do. The person being talked at thinks that what the other person is saying is hateful, or they don't. The point is that it only matters if you make it matter to you. For example, if I say you are the dumbest person on earth, am I committing the crime of hate speech? Are you the dumbest person on earth? Probably not. But maybe I believe that you are. Does that make it true? If so, then it's not hate speech it's the truth...to me. If you, personally, believe that you are not the dumbest person on earth, then why would you concern yourself with what my dumbass has to say? To you, I'm the dumbest person on earth. I hope I'm getting my point across here.",
">\n\nSo we agree then? No laws regarding hate speech at all. You just ignore it and move on.",
">\n\nYes, sir.",
">\n\nYup",
">\n\nWhat if I say that I am offended that you are offended that you say \"small dick energy\" is offensive to men that are insecure about their size? Say I'm a man with a huge, massive dong. Say it's been a huge issue for me all my life. Let's say, hypothetically, that I am hugely insecure about the massive size of my dong and it's given me problems all my life. Every time I, hypothetically, go for a jog it's constantly flopping all over the place chaffing up my leg. Every time I have sex it's always this huge issue and only like half of the thing can go in before the receiver is like \"oh my god, stop, that's too much!\" Every time I receive oral sex, anything more than an inch beyond the tip causes a gag reflex. Does that sound exciting to you? Here you are bragging about your completely normal sized penis and all your normal sized penis sex and here this hypothetical person with a huge massive dong has all these issues. I can see how a hypothetical person with this debilitating issue would take offense that you take offense.",
">\n\nShe's an edgelord",
">\n\nreddit",
">\n\nSounds like a skill issue",
">\n\nDo you really get that offended? It's not like males themselves haven't sexualized females and their bodies and have said even worse and more common things about them? But we get offended over sum small? pun intended",
">\n\n“Some males have sexualized females therefore it’s fine for society to make fun of penis size.”",
">\n\nSociety? I don't see everyone (which represents society) doing it 😂 maybe you are focusing too much on negativity and that's all you see",
">\n\nSaying “small dick energy” is inherently a negative thing because it’s an insult. It also implies that there’s something bad about less endowed people because Tate is being compared to that demographic. \nWhen I say society, I mean that a decent percentage of people have “____ dick energy” built into their vocabulary to the point where the meaning of these terms is widely agreed on and it loses it’s direct connection to the penis. This doesn’t mean that the term is appropriate to use though since it originated from actual body shaming.",
">\n\nBattle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.",
">\n\nI think you should consider the situation at hand and less the use of insults as an absolute \nAndrew Tate absolutely deserves it",
">\n\nthe post its about the insult. \n\"Yeah I called this person a N... but lets focus on how bad that person is!!\"\nThe insult not only its very inflammatory (shows patriarcal estigmas,Its body shaming, reinforces toxic masculinity)\nIts also an extremely weak answer, its a groundless ad hominem. I would dare to argue the insult talks more about breta and his internalized toxic patriarcal estigmas than anything against tate.",
">\n\nGreta didn't start this. He was harassing her.",
">\n\n\"He started it\" -That's a toddler's excuse lmao",
">\n\nSo, in your opinion, Greta would have insulted him whether he had harassed her first, or not?",
">\n\nHer insulting him isn't the problem here. Its how she insulted him that's problematic.",
">\n\nWell, if he didn't want to be insulted, he could've done pretty much anything else with his time. I love the way you think people should be able to gatekeep how other people should hurt the feelings of people who are harassing them.",
">\n\nI'm not defending him or saying his feelings are hurt or that he doesn't deserve the insult. You're completely missing the point of this post and what we've been discussing. \n\"Body shaming is acceptable when it's directed at people we don't like\"- this is the hypocrisy that's being pointed out. It's not about who's better Tate or Greta but it's the bigger issue of shaming men's insecurities without any regard to their mental health. Do you get it now?",
">\n\nI think I do. It hadn't occurred to me that you might have a small penis. My apologies. Perhaps just as Greta Thurnberg travels the world as an advocate for awareness of Climate Change, you can break down the stereotype that people with small penises have energy. You should probably do as little as possible, though, since you don't want to be accused of having \"energy.\"",
">\n\nWasted my time replying after your \"he started it\" comment smh. Toddler mentality gugu gaga talk to me after you understand the issue.\nEdit: issue",
">\n\nI'm sorry about your peepee. But you have taught me not to trust stereotypes. And learning is fundamental.",
">\n\nI almost forgot. Please don't use the word toddler. It's offensive to small children.",
">\n\nFirst of all \"small dick energy\" shames the energy, not the small dick. It shames the fact to be insecure by your dick size (which is a metaphor for being insecure about your masculinity in general) and overcompensate by doing big manly stuff. It doesn't shame the fact to have a small dick.\nYou can argue that it is as bad, but it's important to understand that.",
">\n\nDon't be a cunt mate.",
">\n\nTechnically yes its body shaming but it's not that big a deal I think",
">\n\nIt has more to do with how they're acting rather than actual anatomy size.",
">\n\ncouple things: small dicks is one of the things about men that men tend to care about to an obsessive degree, that women do to a way lesser degree but pretend to, because men typically like to have a very braggadocious and obnoxious attitude about everything. this tate guy is that to the nth degree. so i mean if anyone deserves being called \"SDE\" its this tate guy \nsecond thing is that people who genuinely do have small dicks don't own that they have what they do; they lie about it. people who really do own that they have small dicks aren't made fun of for having them, because its not funny; the whole point is that you're lying about it and pretending like you're some big shot stud asshole, when you're not. if you own that you have a small dick, then ironically, you don't have \"SDE\"; you own what you have, you're not overcompensating and pretending to be something you're not. \nso if greta thunburg was to call, say, howard stern \"SDE\", a dude who owns that he has a small dick and makes fun of himself for it, then it wouldn't be funny. and howard stern even IS a braggadocious asshole. andrew tate is just wayyyyy more of one, and he pretend like he's god's gift to women. \nin general when it comes to \"oh poor men won't anybody think of the men\" i just cringe. i'm not the most liberal guy. but conservative guys just reappropriating the oppression olympics self-victimization shit and applying it to themselves is just pathetic.",
">\n\nSmall dick guy here... I always felt like guys like Howard Stern were compensating for it by self-loathing comedy. That's a big thing comedians do in general, and so to me it's always hard to say a guy truly doesn't care about it just because he's joking about it. On the other hand, maybe I'm just projecting, because I'll poke fun at my tiny pecker and not really care if someone makes fun of me for it, but it also does truly bother me a little bit when I hear things like, \"Oh that guy is an asshole, he must be mad because he has a tiny dick.\" Like... As if all us small guys are just furious that we aren't gonna win the dick-measuring contest that we let it affect our daily lives. It's a matter of extremes I think. I'm sure there's some guys with small ones that genuinely don't give a single fuck, and others who let it influence their entire lives, but I think most men with a small wang living in a society which implies that's a bad thing are going to end up somewhere in the middle of the scale.\nThe people I really feel bad for are the young people. Growing up with a small dick is a million times harder than being an adult with one. For the most part, nobody really cares if you're a grown man that's small, but when you're a teenager you feel like everybody cares. I had a really hard time wanting to pursue girls because of it, always worried about what their reaction would be, is they'd tell their girlfriends and it would get back to the other guys, etc. And that DOES happen... I remember being at the lunch table and someone saying, 'Did you hear Mike's dick is only x inches?\" and I'd be sitting there like, an inch shorter than Mike and pretending that I found it as funny as everyone else around the table. It didn't really hit me until I was much older that I probably wasn't the only one at the table doing that. Plus I always thought it was weird like, at least that was evidence \"Mike\" was getting some, why should he care if it was small? It wasn't until I got over it and had a few flings and girlfriends that I realized it made such a little difference (pun intended) than what I had built it up to in my mind.\nSo I mean... Yeah, I think some guys do truly have small dick energy, but all that means is they're insecure and I think it kind of sucks that people don't think about the feelings of people who had no part of the fight who get their feelings hurt as collateral damage, and that somehow just because of the douche the insult was leveled at we go, \"Haha you feel insecure about your body!\"\nOne thing it makes me think about that I'm guilty of is calling guys closet-cases. Yeah, I am just trying to point out they're overcompensating about things because they are ashamed of their sexuality, but I don't really take a pause and think, \"Wow, I bet that makes the people actually in the closet feel like shit.\" In some ways, I think it's even worse than just simple body shaming that as a society we're going around making fun of people for issues that could very well be deep seeded mental health issues, or could become so.",
">\n\nidk i just think that the only people being accused of having small dicks are people who are so obnoxious that it feels like they're compensating, like this guy. so sure its \"body shaming\", but a) body shaming is just something that happens that idk if we can ever really do anything about, because human beings value different body parts differently, and b) its only really shaming people because of their behavior, not their bodies. its shaming their behavior, by implying something about their bodies that would be embarrassing particularly for a person who is displaying this behavior, like tate does, because somebody that obsessed with getting chicks would probably be extremely concerned if people thought he had a small dick.",
">\n\nYeah that's the thing though, for me it really bothers me more that people think I'm going around being an asshole, driving a huge truck or otherwise trying to compensate just because my dick is small. I can also see the idea that it implies that having a small dick is bad. I mean just the idea that you can 'accuse' anyone of it implies there's something wrong with it.\nI mean, to me that's easier to hand-wave the idea that there's something wrong with it since I've had enough lived experience to know it doesn't matter. However, I feel like there's probably a lot of people out there who haven't who are still really hung up on it, particularly young people. I know I already brought up homosexuality, but it reminds me of when people use to say you shouldn't call things gay because it puts a negative connotation on homosexuality. Speaking of that, there's that phrase, \"It gets better,\" that is used to comfort/console LGTBQ youths and I think it should be applied to body-image issues too--whether that be penis size, breast size, weight, whatever. Looking back on my life, it was definitely the insecurities that negatively effected me far more than my actual size ever did. \nBut yeah I also feel like there's kind of a lot of people just trying to paint this as her being caught being a hypocrite or something, and I agree with you that I especially hate it when men frame it as some kind of, \"Oh look, see, we're oppressed too. So much for feminism!\" kind of argument.\nI guess I just see both sides of it.",
">\n\nVery well put. I honestly think you have changed some minds today. Hopefully more people stop and think before blindly defending someone they look up to.",
">\n\nI have a small dick, it's fine",
">\n\nThat's the point.",
">\n\nNo shit.",
">\n\n\"small dick energy\" isn't mocking someone for their penis size but for behaving in a way that they are compensating for insecurities and people like Tait measure their masculinity in \"I own cars\" is the epitome of trying to mask insecurities",
">\n\nI think the point about \"energy\" keeps being ignored. \nYou can have a small dick, but with thoughtfulness and confidence never have \"small dick energy\"\nYou can have a big schlong and be a needy jerkstore which gives you \"small dick energy\"\nAnd you can be like Andrew Tate and have a very small one and have \"small dick energy\" and be an absolute creepy, dumbass attention goblin.\nThe grand majority of people don't give a flip about the size of your dick. People with dicks care about the size of their own dick. It's the assumption that everyone cares as much as they do about their dick that's the real problem.",
">\n\nSo you agree the stereotype is false ..... and hurtful. If it's really an assumption as you say then people won't use \"tiny dick\" as an insult on people they don't like right? If no one really cares then there's no need to use it as an insult anyway right? Right??\nBut they do because it's socially acceptable to body shame men for some reason. Just see the tweet posts in other subs and their comments section laughing along, cheering her on and poking fun at men who have small penises and the stereotypes associated with such.",
">\n\nI don't know how old you are but like.\nSaying small dick energy actually has anything to do with the size of someone's dick is like culturally irrelevant.\nLike you can have a tiny dick and still have big dick energy and you can have a big dick and have small dick energy.\nBecause, Most people who need to project their insecurities are insulted by the size assumption.\nIt's more about the idea of insulting someone by saying they're just trying to project masculinity. This is the same reason why being in small dick energy is really used in all circles and not just as a male centered insult.\nLike buck and stud lesbians love the fuck out of that term.\nPeople with a small dick who get insulted by the general idea of small dick energy as an insult need to deal with their own insecurities.\nI'd much rather have a small dick than small dick energy.",
">\n\nIf the size is irrelevant, why associate being small with only negative traits and being big with only positive traits? You can't, and you could just say that being smaller makes you a bad person. It would be more honest. I'm sure people dealing with insecurities appreciate being associated with a human trafficker...",
">\n\nLike I said I have a small dick and would rather have a small dick than have small dick energy.\nThe whole point is that the only people who care about size are people who are easily insecure.\nIt's because they care the people making the jokes know that size doesn't matter and they're not making fun of people who have small dicks they're making fun of the people who care so much about what the size of their dick is that an influences their entire self worth.",
">\n\nThere are plenty of secure people who care about size. They are big, so they don't get made fun of. The people who make the jokes, whether they realize it or not, imply that small = bad person. It reinforces to insecure people that they are wrong for something that they have no control over and that people around them, including loved ones, would think lesser of them, because they probably would if they are making these jokes.",
">\n\nBro I'm not big and I'm pointing out that not everyone who has a small dick is insulted by the idea of small dick energy this really seems to be a you problem.",
">\n\nI'M pointing out that not everyone who is offended is a bad person, but people, like anyone defending this phrase, are just going to pretend to not understand because this is something people don't care if you make fun of, so this is just a waste of time.",
">\n\n\nNot everyone who is offended is a bad person\n\nYeah, they're just wrongly offended because they assume the intent of something from a community they are not a part of. This is happening more and more because of how the internet is working.\nIs like \"Okay Boomer\" wasn't actually about being born a boomer but about the Mindset of the generation.\nIt's the YOU and the other people offended who refuse to understand that \"Small Dick Energy\" isn't connected to you're actual dick size.",
">\n\nIf it's not connected to the dick size then why even phrase it as \"Small Dick Energy\"??\nYou're trying to alter the meaning of words to fit your narrative instead of seeing it for what it is: body shaming against men. Even in your interpretation of the phrase saying it's a mindset it's still wrong that it's equating a shitty mindset with people who have small dicks. Why is this so hard to understand?",
">\n\nBecause it's only the people who are so insecure about their dick size who would get offended by the thought of small dick energy being an insult so it's kind of like self-selecting.\nIt's like when women say I hate men if you're not a man who shitty to women you're not going to get offended by people saying that.\nWe're not making fun of people for having small dicks we're making fun of people for acting like anyone in society cares about the size of your dick.",
">\n\nYour first paragraph basically says that body shaming isn't offensive or hurtful because only people who are insecure will get hurt and offended. That's just wrong. Why? Because it's unnecessarily cruel and just pokes fun at people who are insecure and struggling with their body image. That's punching down on people and shaming them for no reason. \"Small dick energy\" jokes are a form of toxic masculinity and on brand with Tate but now it's legitimised by Greta who's supposed to be progressive and not hateful against people with insecurities. You see the hypocrisy and inconsistency here?\nI don't want to keep repeating myself. Give the top comments a good read and you'll get it.",
">\n\nDoubling down on this saying that also \"Big Dick Energy\" it's an objectification that implicitly disqualifies men who are not allegedly big. But since it's not aimed at women it's totally irrelevant in body shaming debate: you know, fat women must be accepted and regarded as beautiful, but short men? No thanks.",
">\n\nI think context is really important here. Since Andrew Tate is a one-dimensional moron who deserves to feel bad about himself, we know that he values a very surface-level perception of masculinity that is reflected by penis size.\nGenerally, I think making fun of small dicks is pointless, because a person's worth isn't determined by that. But if someone is loudly projecting that they think their worth is determined by that and also makes a living putting down an entire gender, it's fair game IMO.",
">\n\nShe basically proved the \"moron\"s point. Do you understand this? \nHe spews BS that masculinity is reflected by penis size ( having a small penis is shameful) and she basically goes on to insult him with that exact premise. Reinforcing the insult and body shaming people who have nothing to do with him or her. He could be vile and deserving of insults but the way he's insulted reinforces toxic masculinity, which is his entire freaking brand. \nHe has gained more attention and probably more followers now as men who feel left out and laughed at join his ranks making him richer and more influential than he deserves. It was a dumb reply on her part and should be criticized for such, not cheered on.",
">\n\nThis post has small dick energy",
">\n\n?, Andrew tate entire brand its that you should be a \"big dick\" male alpha testosterone and shit. his answer its entirely in his character.\nGreat just reinforced his behaviour. <- thats the wrong part about insulting someone who is entire view promotes toxic masculinity by adding more fuel to that belief. in other words, reinforcing that there is something wrong with you if you have a small penis.",
">\n\nHe literally used it as an insult. If OP has an issue with small dick energy, specifically saying small dick is just even worse. \nAs such if Greta is bad, Tate was even worse.",
">\n\nthe thing is, for tate this is expected?. from greta its very disastrous for what she preaches."
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If you are an activist you should act in what you believe don´t you?
Otherwise you are not interested in your ideologies and beliefs, but on being right, that's narcissism.
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"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult.",
">\n\nIt's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh.",
">\n\nHonestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV",
">\n\nPeople can make mistakes and this was one of them.. so we can all just criticize her reply fairly and move on. No need for acute mental gymnastics to defend her as this comments section is showing lmao.",
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">\n\nI don't think anyone is arguing it's not offensive. I'm pretty sure she was trying to offend insecure men. Apparently with great success.",
">\n\nShe was trying to offend men who were insecure about their body image?\nHow is that not body shaming?",
">\n\nIt is, but we playing the avoidance and rationalization game",
">\n\nbecause women invented \"small dick energy\"\nharsh, sad. but we go jim🗿",
">\n\nOP never mentioned women tho. Post is strictly about why it's offensive. Do you disagree that it's not offensive or you think it's a trivial matter to make fun of that men's mental health doesn't matter as much?",
">\n\nThe female equivalent is\n\"Loose Pussy Energy\".\nThe typical man-hate hypocrisy commonly going around is beyond obvious. And it is an attack on All men and boys not just some.",
">\n\nNot a disagreement per se, but also worth noting that it’s transphobic. Which is to say, it insults all men by reinforcing patriarchy and punching down to two groups of men.",
">\n\nShe said small dick energy. Not that he had a small dick (though, come on). She used that phrase BECAUSE it's Tate. She's not a moron.\nHe is, as evidenced by his life to this point and his two responses to Thunberg, which were epically pathetic, is a moron and didn't seem to get it, though he doesn't get a lot.",
">\n\nThis is worse than saying he has a small dick, because how would she know, and that would just be dismissed as stupid.\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\nI can't understand the mental gymnastics some people are doing to try and say this isn't body shaming.",
">\n\n\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\n\nI mean yeah -- kind of like how pussy is an insult denoting cowardice, cunt is an insult meaning basically, terrible, etc., \nShe used that on purpose. Are you making CMV every time you see someone calling someone else a pussy?",
">\n\nPussy is kind of already known to be a shitty gendered insult so it doesn't need a CMV. In this case, Greta's gendered \"having a small penis is bad\" tweet is massively amplified, reached r/all on a shitload of subs, etc. so some discussion about whether or not that is cool is warranted",
">\n\nSmall dick energy isn’t about having a small dick tho. It’s a reflection of an attitude that men who are offensive, aggressive, nasty to people are overcompensating for their insecurities. A small dick doesn’t mean you won’t be able to find a partner or that you’re any less of a man. Being a downright trash bag of a human to others, like in this instance where an internet edgelord is cyber bullying a teenager on the internet who is fighting for the survival of our planet/humanity is an example of this trash behavior, is more of a determining factor. \nYou can also have a small dick but have big dick energy, as it’s reflective of who you are as a person. It’s an attitude. It’s who you choose to be to yourself and others. Hell, there’s women who use the term that they have big dick energy and I can tell you those women’s dicks are none existent so therefore size isn’t a thing. \nNo one should be made fun of for something they had no control over. The worth of a man is not tied to the size of his penis. Although, toxic masculinity and shallow people will tell you different. They say the same for disabled people, fat people etc. There’s plenty of people who are not “conventional standards of beauty” which is the majority of us, that lead happy, healthy relationships. Those relationships start with yourself and understanding your worth as a person isn’t tied to what you look like or how big your junk is. \nThe point is if you choose to be a trash person like Tate, where your self worth is tied into how cruel/offensive you can be to other people, don’t be mad if people call you out for that trashy attitude. Your post definitely reeks of “men are the true victims” when clearly you didn’t seem to have a problem with a grown man cyber bullying a teenager.",
">\n\nI like how you imply that OP is a fan of a literal human trafficker because they point out that a body-shaming insult is body-shaming. Do you understand why associating a trait of someone's body with negative personality traits is bad?",
">\n\nNo because people like this always have exceptions that allow them to use the things they complain about. Cognitive gymnastics allows them to recognise shaming women and people of colour is bad, because society will eat them otherwise, but when someone shows up who deserves a bit of a roasting all of their social etiquette rules go out the window and the excuses come out as to why in this context it doesn't count.\n\"Ahh no, here it is a reflection of an attitude\" blah blah 3 paragraphs later and we've clouded over the simple fact that body shaming is body shaming and harms people you weren't intending to insult.",
">\n\nPeople like this? You’re assuming things about me because I am a character in your mind not a real person. I am not a monolith. We should not be body shaming people. I am explaining the other side of this issue and why people use these terms. You never asked if I use these same terms in my life. You assumed I do. I don’t. You didn’t even bother to read my response because if you did you would have realized this.",
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">\n\nYou can have smol pp but big pp energy and vice versa",
">\n\nSo why is the phrase small dick energy if it has nothing to do with having a small dick?",
">\n\nIdk man, I just work here.",
">\n\nYou know why. Lol cause small dick is associated with bad. And by insulting dicks you use this knowledge to offend, at the cost of body shaming people. \nStop feigning dumb just to avoid the reasoning lol",
">\n\nI can see how it would be offensive, and I wouldn’t use it myself. I feel like the phrase refers more to how someone acts as opposed to how they are endowed. And how it’s behavior and actions that make people think down of you not your penis.",
">\n\nPoint is that we, as a society, should encourage better insults that attack the comments of the person without necessarily having to equate it to something someone with a small dick.",
">\n\nWould you agree with me, that if Andrew clapped back with one of those that the internet would be up in arms about it?",
">\n\nYou mean the way that you are, here, on the internet, up in arms?",
">\n\nIm one person on reddit, theres no major backlash like there would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\nSee, what's happening here is that you are also looking at people who are \"one person on Reddit\" and pretending it's a major backlash. Andrew Tate says fucked up things about women all the time (in fact, it's kind of his whole schtick) and it's as much of a non-event as this is.",
">\n\nPlease link me to something fucked up hes said about women, and ill agree with you, two wrongs don't make a right.",
">\n\nHere's exhibit A.",
">\n\nSure I agree with you he has said fucked up stuff about women, it doesn't mean its okay to make a joke about small dick energy.\nDo you understand my point?",
">\n\nWe understand, it's just that your point is fucking stupid",
">\n\nYou have no idea what his point is, it's funny that people on this thread OP and others actually like Andrew Tate.\nIt proves that everyone is completely frothingly tribalistic with zero nuance.",
">\n\nIf someone is behaving insufferably, people are going to laugh at them for things that they wouldn’t find funny if it happened to someone they liked.\nFor example, is it funny when people go bankrupt? No. Would it be funny if someone like Andrew Tate went bankrupt after boasting about Bugattis and all of his mass wealth? Yes. This doesn’t mean people who would make fun of him for that are making fun of poverty or all people who lose their livelihoods, it would just be funny if it happened to that particular person. \nIn the same way, the idea that Tate does all the douchey, over the top macho things that he does in order to compensate for having a small penis is funny, whilst it not being funny to make fun of every person who has a small penis.",
">\n\nSubstitute fat. Is that ok?",
">\n\nDepends on what the fat person is doing. If the person is minding their own business then no, if the fat person is attacking other people’s appearances then yeah go for it.",
">\n\nInteresting take. Might want to play with that a bit. A lot of situations where your reasoning falls apart.",
">\n\nPeople insulted Trump for being fat when he tried to say he was like the most fit person ever. People make fun of Elon Musk's body. You can make the same type of insult to two different people and it come off two different ways. \nWhen you make your identity or argument around something it opens up certain insults and comebacks. \nTate's whole thing is trying to act like this \"alpha male\" when in reality he's a sex trafficking weirdo who pays women to hang out with him. It's totally fine to insult him with a childish insult. \nI also find that people worried or mad about this don't actually care about body image issues. They just want a gotcha moment for people. Because many would have shitty takes about fat people or whine about pc culture.",
">\n\nWhen you call some MF that doesn't necessarily mean you are a MF... I'm not saying it's okay to say abusing words but we still do use them.\nI don't think she said it in literal terms, it was completely literary. Also she only said it cause it was Tate who she said it to. Also if a woman has small tits and someone said to someone else that they have small tits energy, I don't think one who actually has small tits would mind it, cause she is not involved and it's kinda perfect way of irritating Tate.. cause he really cares about these things. \nWhen it comes to increasing the insecurity of someone who actually has small D and is insecure about it... She couldn't think so far cause all she wanted was to irritate Tate and she was successful",
">\n\nI don't think it even irritated him if that was her goal but definitely helped him with popularity. It just proves what he says people think of insecure men, it just moves them to him and he gains more influence. It was an ignorant reply in poor taste. Someone with much following and influence as Greta shouldn't be as irresponsible and the followers shouldn't be having to do mental gymnastics to defend her instead of seeing it as it is: body shaming against men.",
">\n\nIs this some kind of weird meta-game? Are Andrew Tate fans pretending to actually be offended by this stupid insult to prove a point? Does anybody actually think her retort was any sharper than a brick wrapped in a wet blanket?\nWhat is going on here?!",
">\n\n\nWhat is going on here?!\n\nAndrew Tate fans have a lot of small dick energy. That's whats going on.",
">\n\nWhy are people not allowed dislike tate (he's an absolute idiot and a grifter) and also to criticize obvious body shaming from a supposed progressive? If Biden started talking about \"N*gger energy\" criticizing Kanye for antisemitism, would that be ok in your eyes? Would you say that a black guy who doesn't like that must be an angry Kanye fan? Or is it disgustingly offensive towards all African Americans to use that type of language no matter what?",
">\n\nBecause it suits their narrative to frame it as if people are just defending tate. It's easier than just actually defending body shaming. Done deal.",
">\n\nI think Greta used that phrase not because she actually believes or wants to promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior, but because people like Andrew Tate believe and promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior. If Andrew Tate gets hurt because Greta says he has small dick energy, then maybe -- just maybe, with the tiniest bit of introspection -- he'll come to realize how hateful some of his language is.\nBullies like Andrew Tate don't really respond to logic or pleas for sympathy. The only way to maybe make them understand the hurt they cause is to inflict it on them, because they don't care about anyone but themselves. \nSo instead of putting the cart before the horse and blaming Greta for using an offensive phrase as an argumentative tactic, maybe blame the people who use the phrase to actually demean people.",
">\n\nCan we substitute fat instead and be justified?",
">\n\nYes people did that with Trump when he claimed to be the fittest person ever basically. If someone has a habit of insulting people a certain way or making certain claims then they open themselves up to specific insults. \nSometimes we'd find those insults not tasteful if said to other people. But I feel like most people equating this to fat insults don't actually care about fat people. A lot of people would also be like oh things are getting too pc or soft or woke when it comes to body positivity towards fat people. So for me it's hard to buy this line of reasoning as being truly valid or caring.",
">\n\nNo one said it has to be authentic caring. This sub is for exploring the intellectual arguments. Your perception of how authentic someone’s feelings towards fat people is basically irrelevant. Argue the point or don’t. Passing your authenticity test is a wierd standard to try to argue for.",
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">\n\nYes, making insults is offensive. That's the point.\nInsults that reference a body part are also offensive to people who are insecure about that body part. That's also kinda obvious.\nWhat do you want your mind changed about here? I'm unclear about what you think can be discussed about an insult meant to be insulting. Are you arguing that this insult is especially wrong in some way?\nHow is this not just you soapboxing?",
">\n\nThere's a reason as a society we don't use insults like \"retard\". This is in the same vein. You're attributing a negative thing with a man having a small penis. This is harmful as it perpetuates the stigma surrounding penis size which is outside ones control. Essentially it degrades a group of people who have nothing to do with it. OP wants to know whether or not this is reconciled. Reading the comments... It has not been. \nMaking gendered insults doesn't bother me truthfully but I can understand the frustration OP is expressing because were it to be a man making some edgy reference to a woman's lady parts being inadequate as a way to demean them then everyone would be outraged as opposed to cheering it on.",
">\n\nUsing “small dick” as an insult, or “loose pussy” isn’t really offensive unless you are insecure about the physical viability of your reproductive organs. \nBut, that doesn’t make it funny. It’s a really juvenile and uncreative way of ridiculing someone.",
">\n\nInsecure women are offended when they're fat shamed.\nIt's still body shaming.\nIt's still wrong.",
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">\n\nGuy randomly decides to flex on her by saying I HAVE CARS AND I LIKE TO GO VROOOOM. It's like when Piers decides that it's absolutely important to eat meat in front of vegans. It's not about penis size. It's just that smalldickenergy is a perfect explanation of why would someone decide to behave like this.",
">\n\nShe is 19. Maybe in a few years she will have more mature insults. It’s a lot of pressure to be put on someone so young to also say the perfect thing all the time",
">\n\nUnder nearly all circumstances, I agree with you.\nHowever, for a lot of people who have built a cult of personality around any given ideal, insults of the inoffensive type are completely commonplace. All they have to do is fend off one or two instances of this PG rated attacks, strawman them, call them snowflakes, and their following is bolstered and enhanced. Instead of having any negative effect, it becomes part of their inherent power.\nSometimes if you want to rattle a cult leader you have to hit with precision their most critical weakness and watch them implode. The fact that Tate is squirming so hard and doing everything he can to reclaim some of his dignity after Greta's clapback means that she has his number. Great isn't saying that having a small dick is bad, but knowing that Tate's entire personality is built about being an alpha male and that calling into question the size of his member will hurt him the most is what she was after. \nOf course, it wasn't classy and could be offensive to some. But as the saying goes, sometimes you have to fight fire with fire.",
">\n\nReally is he squirming? \nHe's rich he's popular and now he's gotten someone he disagrees with to repeat his ideology and platform spreading it to a wider audience. \nI'd argue he's happy for the attention and popularity that she's given to him now and enjoying the increased sales in his business as more men who feel marginalized and left out join him seeing this hypocrisy playing out. Not to mention all the political players( internationally) who were against climate action seeing all this and aligning themselves appropriately, possibly propping him up and making him something more than what he actually is- An ignorant troll. \nEngage with a troll and you only give them more power. The tweet was dumb and people should know better.\nEdit: spacing",
">\n\nI'm not commenting on whether or not his fans will like him more or if the controversy will inadvertently grant him a wider audience. \nI'm commenting that Greta knew exactly where and how to hit him the hardest. Yes, he is definitely squirming. He has scrambled out half a dozen prepubescent \"I know you are but what am I\" tweets. Then he went and made the absolute cringiest response video. He's incensed by being talked down to by Greta and is overcompensating. \nDid her tweet have any net positive effect on society? No. Did it ruffle Tate's feathers and make his blood boil? Yea. Would he have even cared if she called him a misogynistic prick? Absolutely not. He would have just told her to sit down and shut up, that misogyny is made up by inferior women blah blah blah...\nInstead, his insecurities are eating him alive.",
">\n\nWhy even respond and give him attention that he so desperately craves? And why body shame men in the process? \nIf she didn't have a better insult she could have just went on with her life instead of helping him grow. Using \"small dick energy\" as an insult means implicitly we agree that people with small penises are inferior and undesirable. That's basically what Tate is on about ( Toxic masculinity). And by laughing at her tweet we all reinforce that perception. Do you get that? \nSick of double standards and hypocrisy. At least people should have the courage to own up and acknowledge it then move on instead of doubling down and performing mental gymnastics to justify an obvious case of body shaming.\nI agree with you on one thing that the net effect on society because of this tweet exchange is negative and only serves the people who Greta and her followers hate.",
">\n\nI think you are missing what I am saying. I fully agree that it wasn't necessary nor was it the right thing for Greta to do. I also agree that it just gives him attention and was overall a useless venture other for the entertainment of Tate haters.\nOP asked why it is okay. I stated that it isn't okay but that I understand why Greta took that road rather than the suggested non-offensive approach. It is because he's immune to it. What he isn't immune to is his masculinity and ego being questioned. What is the point of the Wolf continuing to blow on the brick house? None. To get to the scared little piggies inside he needs a jackhammer. \nAnd it worked exactly how she planned it to. He was rattled and anyone who hates Tate is amused. \nNot saying it's the right thing to do, nor do I want anyone to feel ashamed of the size of their penis.",
">\n\nOk.. thanks for elaborating on that. I misunderstood your comment as a disagreement and engaged to try and change your mind but seems we share the same view.",
">\n\nYou do not know what Greta is \"fully aware\" of. She is referring to character and behaviour, why are you taking this personally? She isn't speaking to you, hasn't seen you, doesn't know you. I don't know why you are externalizing your issue like this and waving it around in public, is it our responsibility to fix this for you?\nShe was just making a tiny joke. Relax. smalldickenergy @ getalife .com is hilarious.",
">\n\nAside from everything else, it's men who started the 'big dick energy' idiocy so to then complain when someone uses their own stupidity against them...",
">\n\nYeah because men are a monolith and we all meet in a room and know each other smh.",
">\n\nThey’re saying it’s offensive to more than just Andrew Tate",
">\n\nYeah but again, ISN'T THE PURPOSE",
">\n\nWhat do you mean again? You didn’t say that before. And why does the purpose matter? You can do a bad thing without meaning to.",
">\n\nI meant to say isn't that the purpose lol mb",
">\n\nOh lol I probably should have realized that. But I think the point of the insult was to offend Andrew Tate.",
">\n\nFair. Trying to not say anything about him one way or another so I don't get downvoted to hell.",
">\n\nGreta lost that argument. She literally has like a hundred things Tate has said and done she could attack. Easy target... The one thing she chose to do is to body shame the man. It's just name calling. It's not a refutation of Tate. If anything it makes her sound stupid for her inability to come up with a refutation.",
">\n\nExactly. But people are just cheering her on and laughing along without grasping the nuance of the situation.",
">\n\nI think you are kinda missing the point. People know it offensive. The issue is that they don't care.",
">\n\nPeople used to make fun of small tits all the time. Remember the 90s? Remember the itty bitty titty committee? I don't know if that's a thing any more, but skinny women with no butts are definitely not seen as attractive. It's not fair. It's not their fault. People need to stop shaming themselves and eachother, and accept all bodies. Until then, \"small dick energy\" won't cease to be an insult. I guess the difference is people are sort of \"punching up\" since it's always been people with dicks who have the power in this world. I've never heard a dude say that another dude has \"small dick energy.\" It's always a woman saying that. Either way I think it's dumb but I get it. I've always thought \"Karen\" was a dumb insult too. Not someone's fault they were named Karen, LOL.",
">\n\nAndrew insulted her. He was asking for this insult. She was totally in the right. She wasn’t trying to shame anyone else. You’re asking for this insult too.",
">\n\nIsn't it more offensive for small pp folk, that there is a guy who base his entire existence on top of an argument that being an alpha, prime male is the most important thing in the world, and you need to be a testosterone bomb gorilla to have any kind of value. Isn't that argument disregards small dick guys in the first place?",
">\n\nAnd Greta just reinforced it with her reply. Do you see the problem now?\nEdit:replaced \"comment\" with \"reply\"",
">\n\nI believe I've already made a statement about what the problem is.",
">\n\nThen do you understand why Greta's reply is offensive and playing into Andrew Tate's hands?",
">\n\nLol this is twitter. There is no playing into each other's hands. Get outside.",
">\n\nOh look. Greta is human. Someone who spent a lot of her growing up time trying to educate people.\nIf she was in a bar and some doofus made a pass, she's just asserting herself. Age and context. Good on her.",
">\n\nIt is actually been studied. Men with small penises actually do have less energy- testosterone or something.",
">\n\nBeing offended by anything is each person's individual choice. If something is offensive to you, then simply choose to not be offended by it. It's truly that simple.",
">\n\nSo there is no such thing as hate speech?",
">\n\nNo, I didn't say that. Someone can certainly say something to someone that they hate with words that they feel will harm them mentally. That is \"hate speech\". The point I was trying to make is that we all as individuals have the choice to react to whatever someone says in whatever way we choose to react. If I feel offended by something that someone is saying, it is my choice to be offended by it.",
">\n\nI pretty much agree, but now we come to who decides. Does the person doing the talking decide whether it is hate speech? Or the person being talked at?",
">\n\nThere is no decision. The person who is talking thinks that what they are saying is not hateful, or they do. The person being talked at thinks that what the other person is saying is hateful, or they don't. The point is that it only matters if you make it matter to you. For example, if I say you are the dumbest person on earth, am I committing the crime of hate speech? Are you the dumbest person on earth? Probably not. But maybe I believe that you are. Does that make it true? If so, then it's not hate speech it's the truth...to me. If you, personally, believe that you are not the dumbest person on earth, then why would you concern yourself with what my dumbass has to say? To you, I'm the dumbest person on earth. I hope I'm getting my point across here.",
">\n\nSo we agree then? No laws regarding hate speech at all. You just ignore it and move on.",
">\n\nYes, sir.",
">\n\nYup",
">\n\nWhat if I say that I am offended that you are offended that you say \"small dick energy\" is offensive to men that are insecure about their size? Say I'm a man with a huge, massive dong. Say it's been a huge issue for me all my life. Let's say, hypothetically, that I am hugely insecure about the massive size of my dong and it's given me problems all my life. Every time I, hypothetically, go for a jog it's constantly flopping all over the place chaffing up my leg. Every time I have sex it's always this huge issue and only like half of the thing can go in before the receiver is like \"oh my god, stop, that's too much!\" Every time I receive oral sex, anything more than an inch beyond the tip causes a gag reflex. Does that sound exciting to you? Here you are bragging about your completely normal sized penis and all your normal sized penis sex and here this hypothetical person with a huge massive dong has all these issues. I can see how a hypothetical person with this debilitating issue would take offense that you take offense.",
">\n\nShe's an edgelord",
">\n\nreddit",
">\n\nSounds like a skill issue",
">\n\nDo you really get that offended? It's not like males themselves haven't sexualized females and their bodies and have said even worse and more common things about them? But we get offended over sum small? pun intended",
">\n\n“Some males have sexualized females therefore it’s fine for society to make fun of penis size.”",
">\n\nSociety? I don't see everyone (which represents society) doing it 😂 maybe you are focusing too much on negativity and that's all you see",
">\n\nSaying “small dick energy” is inherently a negative thing because it’s an insult. It also implies that there’s something bad about less endowed people because Tate is being compared to that demographic. \nWhen I say society, I mean that a decent percentage of people have “____ dick energy” built into their vocabulary to the point where the meaning of these terms is widely agreed on and it loses it’s direct connection to the penis. This doesn’t mean that the term is appropriate to use though since it originated from actual body shaming.",
">\n\nBattle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.",
">\n\nI think you should consider the situation at hand and less the use of insults as an absolute \nAndrew Tate absolutely deserves it",
">\n\nthe post its about the insult. \n\"Yeah I called this person a N... but lets focus on how bad that person is!!\"\nThe insult not only its very inflammatory (shows patriarcal estigmas,Its body shaming, reinforces toxic masculinity)\nIts also an extremely weak answer, its a groundless ad hominem. I would dare to argue the insult talks more about breta and his internalized toxic patriarcal estigmas than anything against tate.",
">\n\nGreta didn't start this. He was harassing her.",
">\n\n\"He started it\" -That's a toddler's excuse lmao",
">\n\nSo, in your opinion, Greta would have insulted him whether he had harassed her first, or not?",
">\n\nHer insulting him isn't the problem here. Its how she insulted him that's problematic.",
">\n\nWell, if he didn't want to be insulted, he could've done pretty much anything else with his time. I love the way you think people should be able to gatekeep how other people should hurt the feelings of people who are harassing them.",
">\n\nI'm not defending him or saying his feelings are hurt or that he doesn't deserve the insult. You're completely missing the point of this post and what we've been discussing. \n\"Body shaming is acceptable when it's directed at people we don't like\"- this is the hypocrisy that's being pointed out. It's not about who's better Tate or Greta but it's the bigger issue of shaming men's insecurities without any regard to their mental health. Do you get it now?",
">\n\nI think I do. It hadn't occurred to me that you might have a small penis. My apologies. Perhaps just as Greta Thurnberg travels the world as an advocate for awareness of Climate Change, you can break down the stereotype that people with small penises have energy. You should probably do as little as possible, though, since you don't want to be accused of having \"energy.\"",
">\n\nWasted my time replying after your \"he started it\" comment smh. Toddler mentality gugu gaga talk to me after you understand the issue.\nEdit: issue",
">\n\nI'm sorry about your peepee. But you have taught me not to trust stereotypes. And learning is fundamental.",
">\n\nI almost forgot. Please don't use the word toddler. It's offensive to small children.",
">\n\nFirst of all \"small dick energy\" shames the energy, not the small dick. It shames the fact to be insecure by your dick size (which is a metaphor for being insecure about your masculinity in general) and overcompensate by doing big manly stuff. It doesn't shame the fact to have a small dick.\nYou can argue that it is as bad, but it's important to understand that.",
">\n\nDon't be a cunt mate.",
">\n\nTechnically yes its body shaming but it's not that big a deal I think",
">\n\nIt has more to do with how they're acting rather than actual anatomy size.",
">\n\ncouple things: small dicks is one of the things about men that men tend to care about to an obsessive degree, that women do to a way lesser degree but pretend to, because men typically like to have a very braggadocious and obnoxious attitude about everything. this tate guy is that to the nth degree. so i mean if anyone deserves being called \"SDE\" its this tate guy \nsecond thing is that people who genuinely do have small dicks don't own that they have what they do; they lie about it. people who really do own that they have small dicks aren't made fun of for having them, because its not funny; the whole point is that you're lying about it and pretending like you're some big shot stud asshole, when you're not. if you own that you have a small dick, then ironically, you don't have \"SDE\"; you own what you have, you're not overcompensating and pretending to be something you're not. \nso if greta thunburg was to call, say, howard stern \"SDE\", a dude who owns that he has a small dick and makes fun of himself for it, then it wouldn't be funny. and howard stern even IS a braggadocious asshole. andrew tate is just wayyyyy more of one, and he pretend like he's god's gift to women. \nin general when it comes to \"oh poor men won't anybody think of the men\" i just cringe. i'm not the most liberal guy. but conservative guys just reappropriating the oppression olympics self-victimization shit and applying it to themselves is just pathetic.",
">\n\nSmall dick guy here... I always felt like guys like Howard Stern were compensating for it by self-loathing comedy. That's a big thing comedians do in general, and so to me it's always hard to say a guy truly doesn't care about it just because he's joking about it. On the other hand, maybe I'm just projecting, because I'll poke fun at my tiny pecker and not really care if someone makes fun of me for it, but it also does truly bother me a little bit when I hear things like, \"Oh that guy is an asshole, he must be mad because he has a tiny dick.\" Like... As if all us small guys are just furious that we aren't gonna win the dick-measuring contest that we let it affect our daily lives. It's a matter of extremes I think. I'm sure there's some guys with small ones that genuinely don't give a single fuck, and others who let it influence their entire lives, but I think most men with a small wang living in a society which implies that's a bad thing are going to end up somewhere in the middle of the scale.\nThe people I really feel bad for are the young people. Growing up with a small dick is a million times harder than being an adult with one. For the most part, nobody really cares if you're a grown man that's small, but when you're a teenager you feel like everybody cares. I had a really hard time wanting to pursue girls because of it, always worried about what their reaction would be, is they'd tell their girlfriends and it would get back to the other guys, etc. And that DOES happen... I remember being at the lunch table and someone saying, 'Did you hear Mike's dick is only x inches?\" and I'd be sitting there like, an inch shorter than Mike and pretending that I found it as funny as everyone else around the table. It didn't really hit me until I was much older that I probably wasn't the only one at the table doing that. Plus I always thought it was weird like, at least that was evidence \"Mike\" was getting some, why should he care if it was small? It wasn't until I got over it and had a few flings and girlfriends that I realized it made such a little difference (pun intended) than what I had built it up to in my mind.\nSo I mean... Yeah, I think some guys do truly have small dick energy, but all that means is they're insecure and I think it kind of sucks that people don't think about the feelings of people who had no part of the fight who get their feelings hurt as collateral damage, and that somehow just because of the douche the insult was leveled at we go, \"Haha you feel insecure about your body!\"\nOne thing it makes me think about that I'm guilty of is calling guys closet-cases. Yeah, I am just trying to point out they're overcompensating about things because they are ashamed of their sexuality, but I don't really take a pause and think, \"Wow, I bet that makes the people actually in the closet feel like shit.\" In some ways, I think it's even worse than just simple body shaming that as a society we're going around making fun of people for issues that could very well be deep seeded mental health issues, or could become so.",
">\n\nidk i just think that the only people being accused of having small dicks are people who are so obnoxious that it feels like they're compensating, like this guy. so sure its \"body shaming\", but a) body shaming is just something that happens that idk if we can ever really do anything about, because human beings value different body parts differently, and b) its only really shaming people because of their behavior, not their bodies. its shaming their behavior, by implying something about their bodies that would be embarrassing particularly for a person who is displaying this behavior, like tate does, because somebody that obsessed with getting chicks would probably be extremely concerned if people thought he had a small dick.",
">\n\nYeah that's the thing though, for me it really bothers me more that people think I'm going around being an asshole, driving a huge truck or otherwise trying to compensate just because my dick is small. I can also see the idea that it implies that having a small dick is bad. I mean just the idea that you can 'accuse' anyone of it implies there's something wrong with it.\nI mean, to me that's easier to hand-wave the idea that there's something wrong with it since I've had enough lived experience to know it doesn't matter. However, I feel like there's probably a lot of people out there who haven't who are still really hung up on it, particularly young people. I know I already brought up homosexuality, but it reminds me of when people use to say you shouldn't call things gay because it puts a negative connotation on homosexuality. Speaking of that, there's that phrase, \"It gets better,\" that is used to comfort/console LGTBQ youths and I think it should be applied to body-image issues too--whether that be penis size, breast size, weight, whatever. Looking back on my life, it was definitely the insecurities that negatively effected me far more than my actual size ever did. \nBut yeah I also feel like there's kind of a lot of people just trying to paint this as her being caught being a hypocrite or something, and I agree with you that I especially hate it when men frame it as some kind of, \"Oh look, see, we're oppressed too. So much for feminism!\" kind of argument.\nI guess I just see both sides of it.",
">\n\nVery well put. I honestly think you have changed some minds today. Hopefully more people stop and think before blindly defending someone they look up to.",
">\n\nI have a small dick, it's fine",
">\n\nThat's the point.",
">\n\nNo shit.",
">\n\n\"small dick energy\" isn't mocking someone for their penis size but for behaving in a way that they are compensating for insecurities and people like Tait measure their masculinity in \"I own cars\" is the epitome of trying to mask insecurities",
">\n\nI think the point about \"energy\" keeps being ignored. \nYou can have a small dick, but with thoughtfulness and confidence never have \"small dick energy\"\nYou can have a big schlong and be a needy jerkstore which gives you \"small dick energy\"\nAnd you can be like Andrew Tate and have a very small one and have \"small dick energy\" and be an absolute creepy, dumbass attention goblin.\nThe grand majority of people don't give a flip about the size of your dick. People with dicks care about the size of their own dick. It's the assumption that everyone cares as much as they do about their dick that's the real problem.",
">\n\nSo you agree the stereotype is false ..... and hurtful. If it's really an assumption as you say then people won't use \"tiny dick\" as an insult on people they don't like right? If no one really cares then there's no need to use it as an insult anyway right? Right??\nBut they do because it's socially acceptable to body shame men for some reason. Just see the tweet posts in other subs and their comments section laughing along, cheering her on and poking fun at men who have small penises and the stereotypes associated with such.",
">\n\nI don't know how old you are but like.\nSaying small dick energy actually has anything to do with the size of someone's dick is like culturally irrelevant.\nLike you can have a tiny dick and still have big dick energy and you can have a big dick and have small dick energy.\nBecause, Most people who need to project their insecurities are insulted by the size assumption.\nIt's more about the idea of insulting someone by saying they're just trying to project masculinity. This is the same reason why being in small dick energy is really used in all circles and not just as a male centered insult.\nLike buck and stud lesbians love the fuck out of that term.\nPeople with a small dick who get insulted by the general idea of small dick energy as an insult need to deal with their own insecurities.\nI'd much rather have a small dick than small dick energy.",
">\n\nIf the size is irrelevant, why associate being small with only negative traits and being big with only positive traits? You can't, and you could just say that being smaller makes you a bad person. It would be more honest. I'm sure people dealing with insecurities appreciate being associated with a human trafficker...",
">\n\nLike I said I have a small dick and would rather have a small dick than have small dick energy.\nThe whole point is that the only people who care about size are people who are easily insecure.\nIt's because they care the people making the jokes know that size doesn't matter and they're not making fun of people who have small dicks they're making fun of the people who care so much about what the size of their dick is that an influences their entire self worth.",
">\n\nThere are plenty of secure people who care about size. They are big, so they don't get made fun of. The people who make the jokes, whether they realize it or not, imply that small = bad person. It reinforces to insecure people that they are wrong for something that they have no control over and that people around them, including loved ones, would think lesser of them, because they probably would if they are making these jokes.",
">\n\nBro I'm not big and I'm pointing out that not everyone who has a small dick is insulted by the idea of small dick energy this really seems to be a you problem.",
">\n\nI'M pointing out that not everyone who is offended is a bad person, but people, like anyone defending this phrase, are just going to pretend to not understand because this is something people don't care if you make fun of, so this is just a waste of time.",
">\n\n\nNot everyone who is offended is a bad person\n\nYeah, they're just wrongly offended because they assume the intent of something from a community they are not a part of. This is happening more and more because of how the internet is working.\nIs like \"Okay Boomer\" wasn't actually about being born a boomer but about the Mindset of the generation.\nIt's the YOU and the other people offended who refuse to understand that \"Small Dick Energy\" isn't connected to you're actual dick size.",
">\n\nIf it's not connected to the dick size then why even phrase it as \"Small Dick Energy\"??\nYou're trying to alter the meaning of words to fit your narrative instead of seeing it for what it is: body shaming against men. Even in your interpretation of the phrase saying it's a mindset it's still wrong that it's equating a shitty mindset with people who have small dicks. Why is this so hard to understand?",
">\n\nBecause it's only the people who are so insecure about their dick size who would get offended by the thought of small dick energy being an insult so it's kind of like self-selecting.\nIt's like when women say I hate men if you're not a man who shitty to women you're not going to get offended by people saying that.\nWe're not making fun of people for having small dicks we're making fun of people for acting like anyone in society cares about the size of your dick.",
">\n\nYour first paragraph basically says that body shaming isn't offensive or hurtful because only people who are insecure will get hurt and offended. That's just wrong. Why? Because it's unnecessarily cruel and just pokes fun at people who are insecure and struggling with their body image. That's punching down on people and shaming them for no reason. \"Small dick energy\" jokes are a form of toxic masculinity and on brand with Tate but now it's legitimised by Greta who's supposed to be progressive and not hateful against people with insecurities. You see the hypocrisy and inconsistency here?\nI don't want to keep repeating myself. Give the top comments a good read and you'll get it.",
">\n\nDoubling down on this saying that also \"Big Dick Energy\" it's an objectification that implicitly disqualifies men who are not allegedly big. But since it's not aimed at women it's totally irrelevant in body shaming debate: you know, fat women must be accepted and regarded as beautiful, but short men? No thanks.",
">\n\nI think context is really important here. Since Andrew Tate is a one-dimensional moron who deserves to feel bad about himself, we know that he values a very surface-level perception of masculinity that is reflected by penis size.\nGenerally, I think making fun of small dicks is pointless, because a person's worth isn't determined by that. But if someone is loudly projecting that they think their worth is determined by that and also makes a living putting down an entire gender, it's fair game IMO.",
">\n\nShe basically proved the \"moron\"s point. Do you understand this? \nHe spews BS that masculinity is reflected by penis size ( having a small penis is shameful) and she basically goes on to insult him with that exact premise. Reinforcing the insult and body shaming people who have nothing to do with him or her. He could be vile and deserving of insults but the way he's insulted reinforces toxic masculinity, which is his entire freaking brand. \nHe has gained more attention and probably more followers now as men who feel left out and laughed at join his ranks making him richer and more influential than he deserves. It was a dumb reply on her part and should be criticized for such, not cheered on.",
">\n\nThis post has small dick energy",
">\n\n?, Andrew tate entire brand its that you should be a \"big dick\" male alpha testosterone and shit. his answer its entirely in his character.\nGreat just reinforced his behaviour. <- thats the wrong part about insulting someone who is entire view promotes toxic masculinity by adding more fuel to that belief. in other words, reinforcing that there is something wrong with you if you have a small penis.",
">\n\nHe literally used it as an insult. If OP has an issue with small dick energy, specifically saying small dick is just even worse. \nAs such if Greta is bad, Tate was even worse.",
">\n\nthe thing is, for tate this is expected?. from greta its very disastrous for what she preaches.",
">\n\nSo if a random person starts talking shit to you, you are required to take the high road?\nThis is the same shit as \"minorities must behave with grace when dealing with racists and bigots\". No thanks. Greta is better because of it."
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Shes an activist for...climate change. She when was she required to bigger person against assholes?
When did Greta vow to be the pillar of everything good?
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"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult.",
">\n\nIt's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh.",
">\n\nHonestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV",
">\n\nPeople can make mistakes and this was one of them.. so we can all just criticize her reply fairly and move on. No need for acute mental gymnastics to defend her as this comments section is showing lmao.",
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">\n\nI don't think anyone is arguing it's not offensive. I'm pretty sure she was trying to offend insecure men. Apparently with great success.",
">\n\nShe was trying to offend men who were insecure about their body image?\nHow is that not body shaming?",
">\n\nIt is, but we playing the avoidance and rationalization game",
">\n\nbecause women invented \"small dick energy\"\nharsh, sad. but we go jim🗿",
">\n\nOP never mentioned women tho. Post is strictly about why it's offensive. Do you disagree that it's not offensive or you think it's a trivial matter to make fun of that men's mental health doesn't matter as much?",
">\n\nThe female equivalent is\n\"Loose Pussy Energy\".\nThe typical man-hate hypocrisy commonly going around is beyond obvious. And it is an attack on All men and boys not just some.",
">\n\nNot a disagreement per se, but also worth noting that it’s transphobic. Which is to say, it insults all men by reinforcing patriarchy and punching down to two groups of men.",
">\n\nShe said small dick energy. Not that he had a small dick (though, come on). She used that phrase BECAUSE it's Tate. She's not a moron.\nHe is, as evidenced by his life to this point and his two responses to Thunberg, which were epically pathetic, is a moron and didn't seem to get it, though he doesn't get a lot.",
">\n\nThis is worse than saying he has a small dick, because how would she know, and that would just be dismissed as stupid.\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\nI can't understand the mental gymnastics some people are doing to try and say this isn't body shaming.",
">\n\n\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\n\nI mean yeah -- kind of like how pussy is an insult denoting cowardice, cunt is an insult meaning basically, terrible, etc., \nShe used that on purpose. Are you making CMV every time you see someone calling someone else a pussy?",
">\n\nPussy is kind of already known to be a shitty gendered insult so it doesn't need a CMV. In this case, Greta's gendered \"having a small penis is bad\" tweet is massively amplified, reached r/all on a shitload of subs, etc. so some discussion about whether or not that is cool is warranted",
">\n\nSmall dick energy isn’t about having a small dick tho. It’s a reflection of an attitude that men who are offensive, aggressive, nasty to people are overcompensating for their insecurities. A small dick doesn’t mean you won’t be able to find a partner or that you’re any less of a man. Being a downright trash bag of a human to others, like in this instance where an internet edgelord is cyber bullying a teenager on the internet who is fighting for the survival of our planet/humanity is an example of this trash behavior, is more of a determining factor. \nYou can also have a small dick but have big dick energy, as it’s reflective of who you are as a person. It’s an attitude. It’s who you choose to be to yourself and others. Hell, there’s women who use the term that they have big dick energy and I can tell you those women’s dicks are none existent so therefore size isn’t a thing. \nNo one should be made fun of for something they had no control over. The worth of a man is not tied to the size of his penis. Although, toxic masculinity and shallow people will tell you different. They say the same for disabled people, fat people etc. There’s plenty of people who are not “conventional standards of beauty” which is the majority of us, that lead happy, healthy relationships. Those relationships start with yourself and understanding your worth as a person isn’t tied to what you look like or how big your junk is. \nThe point is if you choose to be a trash person like Tate, where your self worth is tied into how cruel/offensive you can be to other people, don’t be mad if people call you out for that trashy attitude. Your post definitely reeks of “men are the true victims” when clearly you didn’t seem to have a problem with a grown man cyber bullying a teenager.",
">\n\nI like how you imply that OP is a fan of a literal human trafficker because they point out that a body-shaming insult is body-shaming. Do you understand why associating a trait of someone's body with negative personality traits is bad?",
">\n\nNo because people like this always have exceptions that allow them to use the things they complain about. Cognitive gymnastics allows them to recognise shaming women and people of colour is bad, because society will eat them otherwise, but when someone shows up who deserves a bit of a roasting all of their social etiquette rules go out the window and the excuses come out as to why in this context it doesn't count.\n\"Ahh no, here it is a reflection of an attitude\" blah blah 3 paragraphs later and we've clouded over the simple fact that body shaming is body shaming and harms people you weren't intending to insult.",
">\n\nPeople like this? You’re assuming things about me because I am a character in your mind not a real person. I am not a monolith. We should not be body shaming people. I am explaining the other side of this issue and why people use these terms. You never asked if I use these same terms in my life. You assumed I do. I don’t. You didn’t even bother to read my response because if you did you would have realized this.",
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">\n\nYou can have smol pp but big pp energy and vice versa",
">\n\nSo why is the phrase small dick energy if it has nothing to do with having a small dick?",
">\n\nIdk man, I just work here.",
">\n\nYou know why. Lol cause small dick is associated with bad. And by insulting dicks you use this knowledge to offend, at the cost of body shaming people. \nStop feigning dumb just to avoid the reasoning lol",
">\n\nI can see how it would be offensive, and I wouldn’t use it myself. I feel like the phrase refers more to how someone acts as opposed to how they are endowed. And how it’s behavior and actions that make people think down of you not your penis.",
">\n\nPoint is that we, as a society, should encourage better insults that attack the comments of the person without necessarily having to equate it to something someone with a small dick.",
">\n\nWould you agree with me, that if Andrew clapped back with one of those that the internet would be up in arms about it?",
">\n\nYou mean the way that you are, here, on the internet, up in arms?",
">\n\nIm one person on reddit, theres no major backlash like there would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\nSee, what's happening here is that you are also looking at people who are \"one person on Reddit\" and pretending it's a major backlash. Andrew Tate says fucked up things about women all the time (in fact, it's kind of his whole schtick) and it's as much of a non-event as this is.",
">\n\nPlease link me to something fucked up hes said about women, and ill agree with you, two wrongs don't make a right.",
">\n\nHere's exhibit A.",
">\n\nSure I agree with you he has said fucked up stuff about women, it doesn't mean its okay to make a joke about small dick energy.\nDo you understand my point?",
">\n\nWe understand, it's just that your point is fucking stupid",
">\n\nYou have no idea what his point is, it's funny that people on this thread OP and others actually like Andrew Tate.\nIt proves that everyone is completely frothingly tribalistic with zero nuance.",
">\n\nIf someone is behaving insufferably, people are going to laugh at them for things that they wouldn’t find funny if it happened to someone they liked.\nFor example, is it funny when people go bankrupt? No. Would it be funny if someone like Andrew Tate went bankrupt after boasting about Bugattis and all of his mass wealth? Yes. This doesn’t mean people who would make fun of him for that are making fun of poverty or all people who lose their livelihoods, it would just be funny if it happened to that particular person. \nIn the same way, the idea that Tate does all the douchey, over the top macho things that he does in order to compensate for having a small penis is funny, whilst it not being funny to make fun of every person who has a small penis.",
">\n\nSubstitute fat. Is that ok?",
">\n\nDepends on what the fat person is doing. If the person is minding their own business then no, if the fat person is attacking other people’s appearances then yeah go for it.",
">\n\nInteresting take. Might want to play with that a bit. A lot of situations where your reasoning falls apart.",
">\n\nPeople insulted Trump for being fat when he tried to say he was like the most fit person ever. People make fun of Elon Musk's body. You can make the same type of insult to two different people and it come off two different ways. \nWhen you make your identity or argument around something it opens up certain insults and comebacks. \nTate's whole thing is trying to act like this \"alpha male\" when in reality he's a sex trafficking weirdo who pays women to hang out with him. It's totally fine to insult him with a childish insult. \nI also find that people worried or mad about this don't actually care about body image issues. They just want a gotcha moment for people. Because many would have shitty takes about fat people or whine about pc culture.",
">\n\nWhen you call some MF that doesn't necessarily mean you are a MF... I'm not saying it's okay to say abusing words but we still do use them.\nI don't think she said it in literal terms, it was completely literary. Also she only said it cause it was Tate who she said it to. Also if a woman has small tits and someone said to someone else that they have small tits energy, I don't think one who actually has small tits would mind it, cause she is not involved and it's kinda perfect way of irritating Tate.. cause he really cares about these things. \nWhen it comes to increasing the insecurity of someone who actually has small D and is insecure about it... She couldn't think so far cause all she wanted was to irritate Tate and she was successful",
">\n\nI don't think it even irritated him if that was her goal but definitely helped him with popularity. It just proves what he says people think of insecure men, it just moves them to him and he gains more influence. It was an ignorant reply in poor taste. Someone with much following and influence as Greta shouldn't be as irresponsible and the followers shouldn't be having to do mental gymnastics to defend her instead of seeing it as it is: body shaming against men.",
">\n\nIs this some kind of weird meta-game? Are Andrew Tate fans pretending to actually be offended by this stupid insult to prove a point? Does anybody actually think her retort was any sharper than a brick wrapped in a wet blanket?\nWhat is going on here?!",
">\n\n\nWhat is going on here?!\n\nAndrew Tate fans have a lot of small dick energy. That's whats going on.",
">\n\nWhy are people not allowed dislike tate (he's an absolute idiot and a grifter) and also to criticize obvious body shaming from a supposed progressive? If Biden started talking about \"N*gger energy\" criticizing Kanye for antisemitism, would that be ok in your eyes? Would you say that a black guy who doesn't like that must be an angry Kanye fan? Or is it disgustingly offensive towards all African Americans to use that type of language no matter what?",
">\n\nBecause it suits their narrative to frame it as if people are just defending tate. It's easier than just actually defending body shaming. Done deal.",
">\n\nI think Greta used that phrase not because she actually believes or wants to promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior, but because people like Andrew Tate believe and promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior. If Andrew Tate gets hurt because Greta says he has small dick energy, then maybe -- just maybe, with the tiniest bit of introspection -- he'll come to realize how hateful some of his language is.\nBullies like Andrew Tate don't really respond to logic or pleas for sympathy. The only way to maybe make them understand the hurt they cause is to inflict it on them, because they don't care about anyone but themselves. \nSo instead of putting the cart before the horse and blaming Greta for using an offensive phrase as an argumentative tactic, maybe blame the people who use the phrase to actually demean people.",
">\n\nCan we substitute fat instead and be justified?",
">\n\nYes people did that with Trump when he claimed to be the fittest person ever basically. If someone has a habit of insulting people a certain way or making certain claims then they open themselves up to specific insults. \nSometimes we'd find those insults not tasteful if said to other people. But I feel like most people equating this to fat insults don't actually care about fat people. A lot of people would also be like oh things are getting too pc or soft or woke when it comes to body positivity towards fat people. So for me it's hard to buy this line of reasoning as being truly valid or caring.",
">\n\nNo one said it has to be authentic caring. This sub is for exploring the intellectual arguments. Your perception of how authentic someone’s feelings towards fat people is basically irrelevant. Argue the point or don’t. Passing your authenticity test is a wierd standard to try to argue for.",
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">\n\nYes, making insults is offensive. That's the point.\nInsults that reference a body part are also offensive to people who are insecure about that body part. That's also kinda obvious.\nWhat do you want your mind changed about here? I'm unclear about what you think can be discussed about an insult meant to be insulting. Are you arguing that this insult is especially wrong in some way?\nHow is this not just you soapboxing?",
">\n\nThere's a reason as a society we don't use insults like \"retard\". This is in the same vein. You're attributing a negative thing with a man having a small penis. This is harmful as it perpetuates the stigma surrounding penis size which is outside ones control. Essentially it degrades a group of people who have nothing to do with it. OP wants to know whether or not this is reconciled. Reading the comments... It has not been. \nMaking gendered insults doesn't bother me truthfully but I can understand the frustration OP is expressing because were it to be a man making some edgy reference to a woman's lady parts being inadequate as a way to demean them then everyone would be outraged as opposed to cheering it on.",
">\n\nUsing “small dick” as an insult, or “loose pussy” isn’t really offensive unless you are insecure about the physical viability of your reproductive organs. \nBut, that doesn’t make it funny. It’s a really juvenile and uncreative way of ridiculing someone.",
">\n\nInsecure women are offended when they're fat shamed.\nIt's still body shaming.\nIt's still wrong.",
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">\n\nGuy randomly decides to flex on her by saying I HAVE CARS AND I LIKE TO GO VROOOOM. It's like when Piers decides that it's absolutely important to eat meat in front of vegans. It's not about penis size. It's just that smalldickenergy is a perfect explanation of why would someone decide to behave like this.",
">\n\nShe is 19. Maybe in a few years she will have more mature insults. It’s a lot of pressure to be put on someone so young to also say the perfect thing all the time",
">\n\nUnder nearly all circumstances, I agree with you.\nHowever, for a lot of people who have built a cult of personality around any given ideal, insults of the inoffensive type are completely commonplace. All they have to do is fend off one or two instances of this PG rated attacks, strawman them, call them snowflakes, and their following is bolstered and enhanced. Instead of having any negative effect, it becomes part of their inherent power.\nSometimes if you want to rattle a cult leader you have to hit with precision their most critical weakness and watch them implode. The fact that Tate is squirming so hard and doing everything he can to reclaim some of his dignity after Greta's clapback means that she has his number. Great isn't saying that having a small dick is bad, but knowing that Tate's entire personality is built about being an alpha male and that calling into question the size of his member will hurt him the most is what she was after. \nOf course, it wasn't classy and could be offensive to some. But as the saying goes, sometimes you have to fight fire with fire.",
">\n\nReally is he squirming? \nHe's rich he's popular and now he's gotten someone he disagrees with to repeat his ideology and platform spreading it to a wider audience. \nI'd argue he's happy for the attention and popularity that she's given to him now and enjoying the increased sales in his business as more men who feel marginalized and left out join him seeing this hypocrisy playing out. Not to mention all the political players( internationally) who were against climate action seeing all this and aligning themselves appropriately, possibly propping him up and making him something more than what he actually is- An ignorant troll. \nEngage with a troll and you only give them more power. The tweet was dumb and people should know better.\nEdit: spacing",
">\n\nI'm not commenting on whether or not his fans will like him more or if the controversy will inadvertently grant him a wider audience. \nI'm commenting that Greta knew exactly where and how to hit him the hardest. Yes, he is definitely squirming. He has scrambled out half a dozen prepubescent \"I know you are but what am I\" tweets. Then he went and made the absolute cringiest response video. He's incensed by being talked down to by Greta and is overcompensating. \nDid her tweet have any net positive effect on society? No. Did it ruffle Tate's feathers and make his blood boil? Yea. Would he have even cared if she called him a misogynistic prick? Absolutely not. He would have just told her to sit down and shut up, that misogyny is made up by inferior women blah blah blah...\nInstead, his insecurities are eating him alive.",
">\n\nWhy even respond and give him attention that he so desperately craves? And why body shame men in the process? \nIf she didn't have a better insult she could have just went on with her life instead of helping him grow. Using \"small dick energy\" as an insult means implicitly we agree that people with small penises are inferior and undesirable. That's basically what Tate is on about ( Toxic masculinity). And by laughing at her tweet we all reinforce that perception. Do you get that? \nSick of double standards and hypocrisy. At least people should have the courage to own up and acknowledge it then move on instead of doubling down and performing mental gymnastics to justify an obvious case of body shaming.\nI agree with you on one thing that the net effect on society because of this tweet exchange is negative and only serves the people who Greta and her followers hate.",
">\n\nI think you are missing what I am saying. I fully agree that it wasn't necessary nor was it the right thing for Greta to do. I also agree that it just gives him attention and was overall a useless venture other for the entertainment of Tate haters.\nOP asked why it is okay. I stated that it isn't okay but that I understand why Greta took that road rather than the suggested non-offensive approach. It is because he's immune to it. What he isn't immune to is his masculinity and ego being questioned. What is the point of the Wolf continuing to blow on the brick house? None. To get to the scared little piggies inside he needs a jackhammer. \nAnd it worked exactly how she planned it to. He was rattled and anyone who hates Tate is amused. \nNot saying it's the right thing to do, nor do I want anyone to feel ashamed of the size of their penis.",
">\n\nOk.. thanks for elaborating on that. I misunderstood your comment as a disagreement and engaged to try and change your mind but seems we share the same view.",
">\n\nYou do not know what Greta is \"fully aware\" of. She is referring to character and behaviour, why are you taking this personally? She isn't speaking to you, hasn't seen you, doesn't know you. I don't know why you are externalizing your issue like this and waving it around in public, is it our responsibility to fix this for you?\nShe was just making a tiny joke. Relax. smalldickenergy @ getalife .com is hilarious.",
">\n\nAside from everything else, it's men who started the 'big dick energy' idiocy so to then complain when someone uses their own stupidity against them...",
">\n\nYeah because men are a monolith and we all meet in a room and know each other smh.",
">\n\nThey’re saying it’s offensive to more than just Andrew Tate",
">\n\nYeah but again, ISN'T THE PURPOSE",
">\n\nWhat do you mean again? You didn’t say that before. And why does the purpose matter? You can do a bad thing without meaning to.",
">\n\nI meant to say isn't that the purpose lol mb",
">\n\nOh lol I probably should have realized that. But I think the point of the insult was to offend Andrew Tate.",
">\n\nFair. Trying to not say anything about him one way or another so I don't get downvoted to hell.",
">\n\nGreta lost that argument. She literally has like a hundred things Tate has said and done she could attack. Easy target... The one thing she chose to do is to body shame the man. It's just name calling. It's not a refutation of Tate. If anything it makes her sound stupid for her inability to come up with a refutation.",
">\n\nExactly. But people are just cheering her on and laughing along without grasping the nuance of the situation.",
">\n\nI think you are kinda missing the point. People know it offensive. The issue is that they don't care.",
">\n\nPeople used to make fun of small tits all the time. Remember the 90s? Remember the itty bitty titty committee? I don't know if that's a thing any more, but skinny women with no butts are definitely not seen as attractive. It's not fair. It's not their fault. People need to stop shaming themselves and eachother, and accept all bodies. Until then, \"small dick energy\" won't cease to be an insult. I guess the difference is people are sort of \"punching up\" since it's always been people with dicks who have the power in this world. I've never heard a dude say that another dude has \"small dick energy.\" It's always a woman saying that. Either way I think it's dumb but I get it. I've always thought \"Karen\" was a dumb insult too. Not someone's fault they were named Karen, LOL.",
">\n\nAndrew insulted her. He was asking for this insult. She was totally in the right. She wasn’t trying to shame anyone else. You’re asking for this insult too.",
">\n\nIsn't it more offensive for small pp folk, that there is a guy who base his entire existence on top of an argument that being an alpha, prime male is the most important thing in the world, and you need to be a testosterone bomb gorilla to have any kind of value. Isn't that argument disregards small dick guys in the first place?",
">\n\nAnd Greta just reinforced it with her reply. Do you see the problem now?\nEdit:replaced \"comment\" with \"reply\"",
">\n\nI believe I've already made a statement about what the problem is.",
">\n\nThen do you understand why Greta's reply is offensive and playing into Andrew Tate's hands?",
">\n\nLol this is twitter. There is no playing into each other's hands. Get outside.",
">\n\nOh look. Greta is human. Someone who spent a lot of her growing up time trying to educate people.\nIf she was in a bar and some doofus made a pass, she's just asserting herself. Age and context. Good on her.",
">\n\nIt is actually been studied. Men with small penises actually do have less energy- testosterone or something.",
">\n\nBeing offended by anything is each person's individual choice. If something is offensive to you, then simply choose to not be offended by it. It's truly that simple.",
">\n\nSo there is no such thing as hate speech?",
">\n\nNo, I didn't say that. Someone can certainly say something to someone that they hate with words that they feel will harm them mentally. That is \"hate speech\". The point I was trying to make is that we all as individuals have the choice to react to whatever someone says in whatever way we choose to react. If I feel offended by something that someone is saying, it is my choice to be offended by it.",
">\n\nI pretty much agree, but now we come to who decides. Does the person doing the talking decide whether it is hate speech? Or the person being talked at?",
">\n\nThere is no decision. The person who is talking thinks that what they are saying is not hateful, or they do. The person being talked at thinks that what the other person is saying is hateful, or they don't. The point is that it only matters if you make it matter to you. For example, if I say you are the dumbest person on earth, am I committing the crime of hate speech? Are you the dumbest person on earth? Probably not. But maybe I believe that you are. Does that make it true? If so, then it's not hate speech it's the truth...to me. If you, personally, believe that you are not the dumbest person on earth, then why would you concern yourself with what my dumbass has to say? To you, I'm the dumbest person on earth. I hope I'm getting my point across here.",
">\n\nSo we agree then? No laws regarding hate speech at all. You just ignore it and move on.",
">\n\nYes, sir.",
">\n\nYup",
">\n\nWhat if I say that I am offended that you are offended that you say \"small dick energy\" is offensive to men that are insecure about their size? Say I'm a man with a huge, massive dong. Say it's been a huge issue for me all my life. Let's say, hypothetically, that I am hugely insecure about the massive size of my dong and it's given me problems all my life. Every time I, hypothetically, go for a jog it's constantly flopping all over the place chaffing up my leg. Every time I have sex it's always this huge issue and only like half of the thing can go in before the receiver is like \"oh my god, stop, that's too much!\" Every time I receive oral sex, anything more than an inch beyond the tip causes a gag reflex. Does that sound exciting to you? Here you are bragging about your completely normal sized penis and all your normal sized penis sex and here this hypothetical person with a huge massive dong has all these issues. I can see how a hypothetical person with this debilitating issue would take offense that you take offense.",
">\n\nShe's an edgelord",
">\n\nreddit",
">\n\nSounds like a skill issue",
">\n\nDo you really get that offended? It's not like males themselves haven't sexualized females and their bodies and have said even worse and more common things about them? But we get offended over sum small? pun intended",
">\n\n“Some males have sexualized females therefore it’s fine for society to make fun of penis size.”",
">\n\nSociety? I don't see everyone (which represents society) doing it 😂 maybe you are focusing too much on negativity and that's all you see",
">\n\nSaying “small dick energy” is inherently a negative thing because it’s an insult. It also implies that there’s something bad about less endowed people because Tate is being compared to that demographic. \nWhen I say society, I mean that a decent percentage of people have “____ dick energy” built into their vocabulary to the point where the meaning of these terms is widely agreed on and it loses it’s direct connection to the penis. This doesn’t mean that the term is appropriate to use though since it originated from actual body shaming.",
">\n\nBattle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.",
">\n\nI think you should consider the situation at hand and less the use of insults as an absolute \nAndrew Tate absolutely deserves it",
">\n\nthe post its about the insult. \n\"Yeah I called this person a N... but lets focus on how bad that person is!!\"\nThe insult not only its very inflammatory (shows patriarcal estigmas,Its body shaming, reinforces toxic masculinity)\nIts also an extremely weak answer, its a groundless ad hominem. I would dare to argue the insult talks more about breta and his internalized toxic patriarcal estigmas than anything against tate.",
">\n\nGreta didn't start this. He was harassing her.",
">\n\n\"He started it\" -That's a toddler's excuse lmao",
">\n\nSo, in your opinion, Greta would have insulted him whether he had harassed her first, or not?",
">\n\nHer insulting him isn't the problem here. Its how she insulted him that's problematic.",
">\n\nWell, if he didn't want to be insulted, he could've done pretty much anything else with his time. I love the way you think people should be able to gatekeep how other people should hurt the feelings of people who are harassing them.",
">\n\nI'm not defending him or saying his feelings are hurt or that he doesn't deserve the insult. You're completely missing the point of this post and what we've been discussing. \n\"Body shaming is acceptable when it's directed at people we don't like\"- this is the hypocrisy that's being pointed out. It's not about who's better Tate or Greta but it's the bigger issue of shaming men's insecurities without any regard to their mental health. Do you get it now?",
">\n\nI think I do. It hadn't occurred to me that you might have a small penis. My apologies. Perhaps just as Greta Thurnberg travels the world as an advocate for awareness of Climate Change, you can break down the stereotype that people with small penises have energy. You should probably do as little as possible, though, since you don't want to be accused of having \"energy.\"",
">\n\nWasted my time replying after your \"he started it\" comment smh. Toddler mentality gugu gaga talk to me after you understand the issue.\nEdit: issue",
">\n\nI'm sorry about your peepee. But you have taught me not to trust stereotypes. And learning is fundamental.",
">\n\nI almost forgot. Please don't use the word toddler. It's offensive to small children.",
">\n\nFirst of all \"small dick energy\" shames the energy, not the small dick. It shames the fact to be insecure by your dick size (which is a metaphor for being insecure about your masculinity in general) and overcompensate by doing big manly stuff. It doesn't shame the fact to have a small dick.\nYou can argue that it is as bad, but it's important to understand that.",
">\n\nDon't be a cunt mate.",
">\n\nTechnically yes its body shaming but it's not that big a deal I think",
">\n\nIt has more to do with how they're acting rather than actual anatomy size.",
">\n\ncouple things: small dicks is one of the things about men that men tend to care about to an obsessive degree, that women do to a way lesser degree but pretend to, because men typically like to have a very braggadocious and obnoxious attitude about everything. this tate guy is that to the nth degree. so i mean if anyone deserves being called \"SDE\" its this tate guy \nsecond thing is that people who genuinely do have small dicks don't own that they have what they do; they lie about it. people who really do own that they have small dicks aren't made fun of for having them, because its not funny; the whole point is that you're lying about it and pretending like you're some big shot stud asshole, when you're not. if you own that you have a small dick, then ironically, you don't have \"SDE\"; you own what you have, you're not overcompensating and pretending to be something you're not. \nso if greta thunburg was to call, say, howard stern \"SDE\", a dude who owns that he has a small dick and makes fun of himself for it, then it wouldn't be funny. and howard stern even IS a braggadocious asshole. andrew tate is just wayyyyy more of one, and he pretend like he's god's gift to women. \nin general when it comes to \"oh poor men won't anybody think of the men\" i just cringe. i'm not the most liberal guy. but conservative guys just reappropriating the oppression olympics self-victimization shit and applying it to themselves is just pathetic.",
">\n\nSmall dick guy here... I always felt like guys like Howard Stern were compensating for it by self-loathing comedy. That's a big thing comedians do in general, and so to me it's always hard to say a guy truly doesn't care about it just because he's joking about it. On the other hand, maybe I'm just projecting, because I'll poke fun at my tiny pecker and not really care if someone makes fun of me for it, but it also does truly bother me a little bit when I hear things like, \"Oh that guy is an asshole, he must be mad because he has a tiny dick.\" Like... As if all us small guys are just furious that we aren't gonna win the dick-measuring contest that we let it affect our daily lives. It's a matter of extremes I think. I'm sure there's some guys with small ones that genuinely don't give a single fuck, and others who let it influence their entire lives, but I think most men with a small wang living in a society which implies that's a bad thing are going to end up somewhere in the middle of the scale.\nThe people I really feel bad for are the young people. Growing up with a small dick is a million times harder than being an adult with one. For the most part, nobody really cares if you're a grown man that's small, but when you're a teenager you feel like everybody cares. I had a really hard time wanting to pursue girls because of it, always worried about what their reaction would be, is they'd tell their girlfriends and it would get back to the other guys, etc. And that DOES happen... I remember being at the lunch table and someone saying, 'Did you hear Mike's dick is only x inches?\" and I'd be sitting there like, an inch shorter than Mike and pretending that I found it as funny as everyone else around the table. It didn't really hit me until I was much older that I probably wasn't the only one at the table doing that. Plus I always thought it was weird like, at least that was evidence \"Mike\" was getting some, why should he care if it was small? It wasn't until I got over it and had a few flings and girlfriends that I realized it made such a little difference (pun intended) than what I had built it up to in my mind.\nSo I mean... Yeah, I think some guys do truly have small dick energy, but all that means is they're insecure and I think it kind of sucks that people don't think about the feelings of people who had no part of the fight who get their feelings hurt as collateral damage, and that somehow just because of the douche the insult was leveled at we go, \"Haha you feel insecure about your body!\"\nOne thing it makes me think about that I'm guilty of is calling guys closet-cases. Yeah, I am just trying to point out they're overcompensating about things because they are ashamed of their sexuality, but I don't really take a pause and think, \"Wow, I bet that makes the people actually in the closet feel like shit.\" In some ways, I think it's even worse than just simple body shaming that as a society we're going around making fun of people for issues that could very well be deep seeded mental health issues, or could become so.",
">\n\nidk i just think that the only people being accused of having small dicks are people who are so obnoxious that it feels like they're compensating, like this guy. so sure its \"body shaming\", but a) body shaming is just something that happens that idk if we can ever really do anything about, because human beings value different body parts differently, and b) its only really shaming people because of their behavior, not their bodies. its shaming their behavior, by implying something about their bodies that would be embarrassing particularly for a person who is displaying this behavior, like tate does, because somebody that obsessed with getting chicks would probably be extremely concerned if people thought he had a small dick.",
">\n\nYeah that's the thing though, for me it really bothers me more that people think I'm going around being an asshole, driving a huge truck or otherwise trying to compensate just because my dick is small. I can also see the idea that it implies that having a small dick is bad. I mean just the idea that you can 'accuse' anyone of it implies there's something wrong with it.\nI mean, to me that's easier to hand-wave the idea that there's something wrong with it since I've had enough lived experience to know it doesn't matter. However, I feel like there's probably a lot of people out there who haven't who are still really hung up on it, particularly young people. I know I already brought up homosexuality, but it reminds me of when people use to say you shouldn't call things gay because it puts a negative connotation on homosexuality. Speaking of that, there's that phrase, \"It gets better,\" that is used to comfort/console LGTBQ youths and I think it should be applied to body-image issues too--whether that be penis size, breast size, weight, whatever. Looking back on my life, it was definitely the insecurities that negatively effected me far more than my actual size ever did. \nBut yeah I also feel like there's kind of a lot of people just trying to paint this as her being caught being a hypocrite or something, and I agree with you that I especially hate it when men frame it as some kind of, \"Oh look, see, we're oppressed too. So much for feminism!\" kind of argument.\nI guess I just see both sides of it.",
">\n\nVery well put. I honestly think you have changed some minds today. Hopefully more people stop and think before blindly defending someone they look up to.",
">\n\nI have a small dick, it's fine",
">\n\nThat's the point.",
">\n\nNo shit.",
">\n\n\"small dick energy\" isn't mocking someone for their penis size but for behaving in a way that they are compensating for insecurities and people like Tait measure their masculinity in \"I own cars\" is the epitome of trying to mask insecurities",
">\n\nI think the point about \"energy\" keeps being ignored. \nYou can have a small dick, but with thoughtfulness and confidence never have \"small dick energy\"\nYou can have a big schlong and be a needy jerkstore which gives you \"small dick energy\"\nAnd you can be like Andrew Tate and have a very small one and have \"small dick energy\" and be an absolute creepy, dumbass attention goblin.\nThe grand majority of people don't give a flip about the size of your dick. People with dicks care about the size of their own dick. It's the assumption that everyone cares as much as they do about their dick that's the real problem.",
">\n\nSo you agree the stereotype is false ..... and hurtful. If it's really an assumption as you say then people won't use \"tiny dick\" as an insult on people they don't like right? If no one really cares then there's no need to use it as an insult anyway right? Right??\nBut they do because it's socially acceptable to body shame men for some reason. Just see the tweet posts in other subs and their comments section laughing along, cheering her on and poking fun at men who have small penises and the stereotypes associated with such.",
">\n\nI don't know how old you are but like.\nSaying small dick energy actually has anything to do with the size of someone's dick is like culturally irrelevant.\nLike you can have a tiny dick and still have big dick energy and you can have a big dick and have small dick energy.\nBecause, Most people who need to project their insecurities are insulted by the size assumption.\nIt's more about the idea of insulting someone by saying they're just trying to project masculinity. This is the same reason why being in small dick energy is really used in all circles and not just as a male centered insult.\nLike buck and stud lesbians love the fuck out of that term.\nPeople with a small dick who get insulted by the general idea of small dick energy as an insult need to deal with their own insecurities.\nI'd much rather have a small dick than small dick energy.",
">\n\nIf the size is irrelevant, why associate being small with only negative traits and being big with only positive traits? You can't, and you could just say that being smaller makes you a bad person. It would be more honest. I'm sure people dealing with insecurities appreciate being associated with a human trafficker...",
">\n\nLike I said I have a small dick and would rather have a small dick than have small dick energy.\nThe whole point is that the only people who care about size are people who are easily insecure.\nIt's because they care the people making the jokes know that size doesn't matter and they're not making fun of people who have small dicks they're making fun of the people who care so much about what the size of their dick is that an influences their entire self worth.",
">\n\nThere are plenty of secure people who care about size. They are big, so they don't get made fun of. The people who make the jokes, whether they realize it or not, imply that small = bad person. It reinforces to insecure people that they are wrong for something that they have no control over and that people around them, including loved ones, would think lesser of them, because they probably would if they are making these jokes.",
">\n\nBro I'm not big and I'm pointing out that not everyone who has a small dick is insulted by the idea of small dick energy this really seems to be a you problem.",
">\n\nI'M pointing out that not everyone who is offended is a bad person, but people, like anyone defending this phrase, are just going to pretend to not understand because this is something people don't care if you make fun of, so this is just a waste of time.",
">\n\n\nNot everyone who is offended is a bad person\n\nYeah, they're just wrongly offended because they assume the intent of something from a community they are not a part of. This is happening more and more because of how the internet is working.\nIs like \"Okay Boomer\" wasn't actually about being born a boomer but about the Mindset of the generation.\nIt's the YOU and the other people offended who refuse to understand that \"Small Dick Energy\" isn't connected to you're actual dick size.",
">\n\nIf it's not connected to the dick size then why even phrase it as \"Small Dick Energy\"??\nYou're trying to alter the meaning of words to fit your narrative instead of seeing it for what it is: body shaming against men. Even in your interpretation of the phrase saying it's a mindset it's still wrong that it's equating a shitty mindset with people who have small dicks. Why is this so hard to understand?",
">\n\nBecause it's only the people who are so insecure about their dick size who would get offended by the thought of small dick energy being an insult so it's kind of like self-selecting.\nIt's like when women say I hate men if you're not a man who shitty to women you're not going to get offended by people saying that.\nWe're not making fun of people for having small dicks we're making fun of people for acting like anyone in society cares about the size of your dick.",
">\n\nYour first paragraph basically says that body shaming isn't offensive or hurtful because only people who are insecure will get hurt and offended. That's just wrong. Why? Because it's unnecessarily cruel and just pokes fun at people who are insecure and struggling with their body image. That's punching down on people and shaming them for no reason. \"Small dick energy\" jokes are a form of toxic masculinity and on brand with Tate but now it's legitimised by Greta who's supposed to be progressive and not hateful against people with insecurities. You see the hypocrisy and inconsistency here?\nI don't want to keep repeating myself. Give the top comments a good read and you'll get it.",
">\n\nDoubling down on this saying that also \"Big Dick Energy\" it's an objectification that implicitly disqualifies men who are not allegedly big. But since it's not aimed at women it's totally irrelevant in body shaming debate: you know, fat women must be accepted and regarded as beautiful, but short men? No thanks.",
">\n\nI think context is really important here. Since Andrew Tate is a one-dimensional moron who deserves to feel bad about himself, we know that he values a very surface-level perception of masculinity that is reflected by penis size.\nGenerally, I think making fun of small dicks is pointless, because a person's worth isn't determined by that. But if someone is loudly projecting that they think their worth is determined by that and also makes a living putting down an entire gender, it's fair game IMO.",
">\n\nShe basically proved the \"moron\"s point. Do you understand this? \nHe spews BS that masculinity is reflected by penis size ( having a small penis is shameful) and she basically goes on to insult him with that exact premise. Reinforcing the insult and body shaming people who have nothing to do with him or her. He could be vile and deserving of insults but the way he's insulted reinforces toxic masculinity, which is his entire freaking brand. \nHe has gained more attention and probably more followers now as men who feel left out and laughed at join his ranks making him richer and more influential than he deserves. It was a dumb reply on her part and should be criticized for such, not cheered on.",
">\n\nThis post has small dick energy",
">\n\n?, Andrew tate entire brand its that you should be a \"big dick\" male alpha testosterone and shit. his answer its entirely in his character.\nGreat just reinforced his behaviour. <- thats the wrong part about insulting someone who is entire view promotes toxic masculinity by adding more fuel to that belief. in other words, reinforcing that there is something wrong with you if you have a small penis.",
">\n\nHe literally used it as an insult. If OP has an issue with small dick energy, specifically saying small dick is just even worse. \nAs such if Greta is bad, Tate was even worse.",
">\n\nthe thing is, for tate this is expected?. from greta its very disastrous for what she preaches.",
">\n\nSo if a random person starts talking shit to you, you are required to take the high road?\nThis is the same shit as \"minorities must behave with grace when dealing with racists and bigots\". No thanks. Greta is better because of it.",
">\n\nIf you are an activist you should act in what you believe don´t you?\nOtherwise you are not interested in your ideologies and beliefs, but on being right, that's narcissism."
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She is a progressive public figure that millions of youth look up to.. that's why her reply is being criticized for being hypocritical.
Progressives are vocal against body shaming except when it's targeted at someone they don't like, then it's all fair game. This is the hypocrisy that's being pointed out. The inconsistency.
Idk if she ever vowed to be a pillar of everything good but when she uses language that makes fun of people's insecurities and reinforcing a toxic masculine stereotype( which is Tate's branding btw), then I think it's fair that she gets criticized for it.
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"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult.",
">\n\nIt's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh.",
">\n\nHonestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV",
">\n\nPeople can make mistakes and this was one of them.. so we can all just criticize her reply fairly and move on. No need for acute mental gymnastics to defend her as this comments section is showing lmao.",
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">\n\nI don't think anyone is arguing it's not offensive. I'm pretty sure she was trying to offend insecure men. Apparently with great success.",
">\n\nShe was trying to offend men who were insecure about their body image?\nHow is that not body shaming?",
">\n\nIt is, but we playing the avoidance and rationalization game",
">\n\nbecause women invented \"small dick energy\"\nharsh, sad. but we go jim🗿",
">\n\nOP never mentioned women tho. Post is strictly about why it's offensive. Do you disagree that it's not offensive or you think it's a trivial matter to make fun of that men's mental health doesn't matter as much?",
">\n\nThe female equivalent is\n\"Loose Pussy Energy\".\nThe typical man-hate hypocrisy commonly going around is beyond obvious. And it is an attack on All men and boys not just some.",
">\n\nNot a disagreement per se, but also worth noting that it’s transphobic. Which is to say, it insults all men by reinforcing patriarchy and punching down to two groups of men.",
">\n\nShe said small dick energy. Not that he had a small dick (though, come on). She used that phrase BECAUSE it's Tate. She's not a moron.\nHe is, as evidenced by his life to this point and his two responses to Thunberg, which were epically pathetic, is a moron and didn't seem to get it, though he doesn't get a lot.",
">\n\nThis is worse than saying he has a small dick, because how would she know, and that would just be dismissed as stupid.\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\nI can't understand the mental gymnastics some people are doing to try and say this isn't body shaming.",
">\n\n\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\n\nI mean yeah -- kind of like how pussy is an insult denoting cowardice, cunt is an insult meaning basically, terrible, etc., \nShe used that on purpose. Are you making CMV every time you see someone calling someone else a pussy?",
">\n\nPussy is kind of already known to be a shitty gendered insult so it doesn't need a CMV. In this case, Greta's gendered \"having a small penis is bad\" tweet is massively amplified, reached r/all on a shitload of subs, etc. so some discussion about whether or not that is cool is warranted",
">\n\nSmall dick energy isn’t about having a small dick tho. It’s a reflection of an attitude that men who are offensive, aggressive, nasty to people are overcompensating for their insecurities. A small dick doesn’t mean you won’t be able to find a partner or that you’re any less of a man. Being a downright trash bag of a human to others, like in this instance where an internet edgelord is cyber bullying a teenager on the internet who is fighting for the survival of our planet/humanity is an example of this trash behavior, is more of a determining factor. \nYou can also have a small dick but have big dick energy, as it’s reflective of who you are as a person. It’s an attitude. It’s who you choose to be to yourself and others. Hell, there’s women who use the term that they have big dick energy and I can tell you those women’s dicks are none existent so therefore size isn’t a thing. \nNo one should be made fun of for something they had no control over. The worth of a man is not tied to the size of his penis. Although, toxic masculinity and shallow people will tell you different. They say the same for disabled people, fat people etc. There’s plenty of people who are not “conventional standards of beauty” which is the majority of us, that lead happy, healthy relationships. Those relationships start with yourself and understanding your worth as a person isn’t tied to what you look like or how big your junk is. \nThe point is if you choose to be a trash person like Tate, where your self worth is tied into how cruel/offensive you can be to other people, don’t be mad if people call you out for that trashy attitude. Your post definitely reeks of “men are the true victims” when clearly you didn’t seem to have a problem with a grown man cyber bullying a teenager.",
">\n\nI like how you imply that OP is a fan of a literal human trafficker because they point out that a body-shaming insult is body-shaming. Do you understand why associating a trait of someone's body with negative personality traits is bad?",
">\n\nNo because people like this always have exceptions that allow them to use the things they complain about. Cognitive gymnastics allows them to recognise shaming women and people of colour is bad, because society will eat them otherwise, but when someone shows up who deserves a bit of a roasting all of their social etiquette rules go out the window and the excuses come out as to why in this context it doesn't count.\n\"Ahh no, here it is a reflection of an attitude\" blah blah 3 paragraphs later and we've clouded over the simple fact that body shaming is body shaming and harms people you weren't intending to insult.",
">\n\nPeople like this? You’re assuming things about me because I am a character in your mind not a real person. I am not a monolith. We should not be body shaming people. I am explaining the other side of this issue and why people use these terms. You never asked if I use these same terms in my life. You assumed I do. I don’t. You didn’t even bother to read my response because if you did you would have realized this.",
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">\n\nYou can have smol pp but big pp energy and vice versa",
">\n\nSo why is the phrase small dick energy if it has nothing to do with having a small dick?",
">\n\nIdk man, I just work here.",
">\n\nYou know why. Lol cause small dick is associated with bad. And by insulting dicks you use this knowledge to offend, at the cost of body shaming people. \nStop feigning dumb just to avoid the reasoning lol",
">\n\nI can see how it would be offensive, and I wouldn’t use it myself. I feel like the phrase refers more to how someone acts as opposed to how they are endowed. And how it’s behavior and actions that make people think down of you not your penis.",
">\n\nPoint is that we, as a society, should encourage better insults that attack the comments of the person without necessarily having to equate it to something someone with a small dick.",
">\n\nWould you agree with me, that if Andrew clapped back with one of those that the internet would be up in arms about it?",
">\n\nYou mean the way that you are, here, on the internet, up in arms?",
">\n\nIm one person on reddit, theres no major backlash like there would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\nSee, what's happening here is that you are also looking at people who are \"one person on Reddit\" and pretending it's a major backlash. Andrew Tate says fucked up things about women all the time (in fact, it's kind of his whole schtick) and it's as much of a non-event as this is.",
">\n\nPlease link me to something fucked up hes said about women, and ill agree with you, two wrongs don't make a right.",
">\n\nHere's exhibit A.",
">\n\nSure I agree with you he has said fucked up stuff about women, it doesn't mean its okay to make a joke about small dick energy.\nDo you understand my point?",
">\n\nWe understand, it's just that your point is fucking stupid",
">\n\nYou have no idea what his point is, it's funny that people on this thread OP and others actually like Andrew Tate.\nIt proves that everyone is completely frothingly tribalistic with zero nuance.",
">\n\nIf someone is behaving insufferably, people are going to laugh at them for things that they wouldn’t find funny if it happened to someone they liked.\nFor example, is it funny when people go bankrupt? No. Would it be funny if someone like Andrew Tate went bankrupt after boasting about Bugattis and all of his mass wealth? Yes. This doesn’t mean people who would make fun of him for that are making fun of poverty or all people who lose their livelihoods, it would just be funny if it happened to that particular person. \nIn the same way, the idea that Tate does all the douchey, over the top macho things that he does in order to compensate for having a small penis is funny, whilst it not being funny to make fun of every person who has a small penis.",
">\n\nSubstitute fat. Is that ok?",
">\n\nDepends on what the fat person is doing. If the person is minding their own business then no, if the fat person is attacking other people’s appearances then yeah go for it.",
">\n\nInteresting take. Might want to play with that a bit. A lot of situations where your reasoning falls apart.",
">\n\nPeople insulted Trump for being fat when he tried to say he was like the most fit person ever. People make fun of Elon Musk's body. You can make the same type of insult to two different people and it come off two different ways. \nWhen you make your identity or argument around something it opens up certain insults and comebacks. \nTate's whole thing is trying to act like this \"alpha male\" when in reality he's a sex trafficking weirdo who pays women to hang out with him. It's totally fine to insult him with a childish insult. \nI also find that people worried or mad about this don't actually care about body image issues. They just want a gotcha moment for people. Because many would have shitty takes about fat people or whine about pc culture.",
">\n\nWhen you call some MF that doesn't necessarily mean you are a MF... I'm not saying it's okay to say abusing words but we still do use them.\nI don't think she said it in literal terms, it was completely literary. Also she only said it cause it was Tate who she said it to. Also if a woman has small tits and someone said to someone else that they have small tits energy, I don't think one who actually has small tits would mind it, cause she is not involved and it's kinda perfect way of irritating Tate.. cause he really cares about these things. \nWhen it comes to increasing the insecurity of someone who actually has small D and is insecure about it... She couldn't think so far cause all she wanted was to irritate Tate and she was successful",
">\n\nI don't think it even irritated him if that was her goal but definitely helped him with popularity. It just proves what he says people think of insecure men, it just moves them to him and he gains more influence. It was an ignorant reply in poor taste. Someone with much following and influence as Greta shouldn't be as irresponsible and the followers shouldn't be having to do mental gymnastics to defend her instead of seeing it as it is: body shaming against men.",
">\n\nIs this some kind of weird meta-game? Are Andrew Tate fans pretending to actually be offended by this stupid insult to prove a point? Does anybody actually think her retort was any sharper than a brick wrapped in a wet blanket?\nWhat is going on here?!",
">\n\n\nWhat is going on here?!\n\nAndrew Tate fans have a lot of small dick energy. That's whats going on.",
">\n\nWhy are people not allowed dislike tate (he's an absolute idiot and a grifter) and also to criticize obvious body shaming from a supposed progressive? If Biden started talking about \"N*gger energy\" criticizing Kanye for antisemitism, would that be ok in your eyes? Would you say that a black guy who doesn't like that must be an angry Kanye fan? Or is it disgustingly offensive towards all African Americans to use that type of language no matter what?",
">\n\nBecause it suits their narrative to frame it as if people are just defending tate. It's easier than just actually defending body shaming. Done deal.",
">\n\nI think Greta used that phrase not because she actually believes or wants to promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior, but because people like Andrew Tate believe and promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior. If Andrew Tate gets hurt because Greta says he has small dick energy, then maybe -- just maybe, with the tiniest bit of introspection -- he'll come to realize how hateful some of his language is.\nBullies like Andrew Tate don't really respond to logic or pleas for sympathy. The only way to maybe make them understand the hurt they cause is to inflict it on them, because they don't care about anyone but themselves. \nSo instead of putting the cart before the horse and blaming Greta for using an offensive phrase as an argumentative tactic, maybe blame the people who use the phrase to actually demean people.",
">\n\nCan we substitute fat instead and be justified?",
">\n\nYes people did that with Trump when he claimed to be the fittest person ever basically. If someone has a habit of insulting people a certain way or making certain claims then they open themselves up to specific insults. \nSometimes we'd find those insults not tasteful if said to other people. But I feel like most people equating this to fat insults don't actually care about fat people. A lot of people would also be like oh things are getting too pc or soft or woke when it comes to body positivity towards fat people. So for me it's hard to buy this line of reasoning as being truly valid or caring.",
">\n\nNo one said it has to be authentic caring. This sub is for exploring the intellectual arguments. Your perception of how authentic someone’s feelings towards fat people is basically irrelevant. Argue the point or don’t. Passing your authenticity test is a wierd standard to try to argue for.",
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">\n\nYes, making insults is offensive. That's the point.\nInsults that reference a body part are also offensive to people who are insecure about that body part. That's also kinda obvious.\nWhat do you want your mind changed about here? I'm unclear about what you think can be discussed about an insult meant to be insulting. Are you arguing that this insult is especially wrong in some way?\nHow is this not just you soapboxing?",
">\n\nThere's a reason as a society we don't use insults like \"retard\". This is in the same vein. You're attributing a negative thing with a man having a small penis. This is harmful as it perpetuates the stigma surrounding penis size which is outside ones control. Essentially it degrades a group of people who have nothing to do with it. OP wants to know whether or not this is reconciled. Reading the comments... It has not been. \nMaking gendered insults doesn't bother me truthfully but I can understand the frustration OP is expressing because were it to be a man making some edgy reference to a woman's lady parts being inadequate as a way to demean them then everyone would be outraged as opposed to cheering it on.",
">\n\nUsing “small dick” as an insult, or “loose pussy” isn’t really offensive unless you are insecure about the physical viability of your reproductive organs. \nBut, that doesn’t make it funny. It’s a really juvenile and uncreative way of ridiculing someone.",
">\n\nInsecure women are offended when they're fat shamed.\nIt's still body shaming.\nIt's still wrong.",
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">\n\nGuy randomly decides to flex on her by saying I HAVE CARS AND I LIKE TO GO VROOOOM. It's like when Piers decides that it's absolutely important to eat meat in front of vegans. It's not about penis size. It's just that smalldickenergy is a perfect explanation of why would someone decide to behave like this.",
">\n\nShe is 19. Maybe in a few years she will have more mature insults. It’s a lot of pressure to be put on someone so young to also say the perfect thing all the time",
">\n\nUnder nearly all circumstances, I agree with you.\nHowever, for a lot of people who have built a cult of personality around any given ideal, insults of the inoffensive type are completely commonplace. All they have to do is fend off one or two instances of this PG rated attacks, strawman them, call them snowflakes, and their following is bolstered and enhanced. Instead of having any negative effect, it becomes part of their inherent power.\nSometimes if you want to rattle a cult leader you have to hit with precision their most critical weakness and watch them implode. The fact that Tate is squirming so hard and doing everything he can to reclaim some of his dignity after Greta's clapback means that she has his number. Great isn't saying that having a small dick is bad, but knowing that Tate's entire personality is built about being an alpha male and that calling into question the size of his member will hurt him the most is what she was after. \nOf course, it wasn't classy and could be offensive to some. But as the saying goes, sometimes you have to fight fire with fire.",
">\n\nReally is he squirming? \nHe's rich he's popular and now he's gotten someone he disagrees with to repeat his ideology and platform spreading it to a wider audience. \nI'd argue he's happy for the attention and popularity that she's given to him now and enjoying the increased sales in his business as more men who feel marginalized and left out join him seeing this hypocrisy playing out. Not to mention all the political players( internationally) who were against climate action seeing all this and aligning themselves appropriately, possibly propping him up and making him something more than what he actually is- An ignorant troll. \nEngage with a troll and you only give them more power. The tweet was dumb and people should know better.\nEdit: spacing",
">\n\nI'm not commenting on whether or not his fans will like him more or if the controversy will inadvertently grant him a wider audience. \nI'm commenting that Greta knew exactly where and how to hit him the hardest. Yes, he is definitely squirming. He has scrambled out half a dozen prepubescent \"I know you are but what am I\" tweets. Then he went and made the absolute cringiest response video. He's incensed by being talked down to by Greta and is overcompensating. \nDid her tweet have any net positive effect on society? No. Did it ruffle Tate's feathers and make his blood boil? Yea. Would he have even cared if she called him a misogynistic prick? Absolutely not. He would have just told her to sit down and shut up, that misogyny is made up by inferior women blah blah blah...\nInstead, his insecurities are eating him alive.",
">\n\nWhy even respond and give him attention that he so desperately craves? And why body shame men in the process? \nIf she didn't have a better insult she could have just went on with her life instead of helping him grow. Using \"small dick energy\" as an insult means implicitly we agree that people with small penises are inferior and undesirable. That's basically what Tate is on about ( Toxic masculinity). And by laughing at her tweet we all reinforce that perception. Do you get that? \nSick of double standards and hypocrisy. At least people should have the courage to own up and acknowledge it then move on instead of doubling down and performing mental gymnastics to justify an obvious case of body shaming.\nI agree with you on one thing that the net effect on society because of this tweet exchange is negative and only serves the people who Greta and her followers hate.",
">\n\nI think you are missing what I am saying. I fully agree that it wasn't necessary nor was it the right thing for Greta to do. I also agree that it just gives him attention and was overall a useless venture other for the entertainment of Tate haters.\nOP asked why it is okay. I stated that it isn't okay but that I understand why Greta took that road rather than the suggested non-offensive approach. It is because he's immune to it. What he isn't immune to is his masculinity and ego being questioned. What is the point of the Wolf continuing to blow on the brick house? None. To get to the scared little piggies inside he needs a jackhammer. \nAnd it worked exactly how she planned it to. He was rattled and anyone who hates Tate is amused. \nNot saying it's the right thing to do, nor do I want anyone to feel ashamed of the size of their penis.",
">\n\nOk.. thanks for elaborating on that. I misunderstood your comment as a disagreement and engaged to try and change your mind but seems we share the same view.",
">\n\nYou do not know what Greta is \"fully aware\" of. She is referring to character and behaviour, why are you taking this personally? She isn't speaking to you, hasn't seen you, doesn't know you. I don't know why you are externalizing your issue like this and waving it around in public, is it our responsibility to fix this for you?\nShe was just making a tiny joke. Relax. smalldickenergy @ getalife .com is hilarious.",
">\n\nAside from everything else, it's men who started the 'big dick energy' idiocy so to then complain when someone uses their own stupidity against them...",
">\n\nYeah because men are a monolith and we all meet in a room and know each other smh.",
">\n\nThey’re saying it’s offensive to more than just Andrew Tate",
">\n\nYeah but again, ISN'T THE PURPOSE",
">\n\nWhat do you mean again? You didn’t say that before. And why does the purpose matter? You can do a bad thing without meaning to.",
">\n\nI meant to say isn't that the purpose lol mb",
">\n\nOh lol I probably should have realized that. But I think the point of the insult was to offend Andrew Tate.",
">\n\nFair. Trying to not say anything about him one way or another so I don't get downvoted to hell.",
">\n\nGreta lost that argument. She literally has like a hundred things Tate has said and done she could attack. Easy target... The one thing she chose to do is to body shame the man. It's just name calling. It's not a refutation of Tate. If anything it makes her sound stupid for her inability to come up with a refutation.",
">\n\nExactly. But people are just cheering her on and laughing along without grasping the nuance of the situation.",
">\n\nI think you are kinda missing the point. People know it offensive. The issue is that they don't care.",
">\n\nPeople used to make fun of small tits all the time. Remember the 90s? Remember the itty bitty titty committee? I don't know if that's a thing any more, but skinny women with no butts are definitely not seen as attractive. It's not fair. It's not their fault. People need to stop shaming themselves and eachother, and accept all bodies. Until then, \"small dick energy\" won't cease to be an insult. I guess the difference is people are sort of \"punching up\" since it's always been people with dicks who have the power in this world. I've never heard a dude say that another dude has \"small dick energy.\" It's always a woman saying that. Either way I think it's dumb but I get it. I've always thought \"Karen\" was a dumb insult too. Not someone's fault they were named Karen, LOL.",
">\n\nAndrew insulted her. He was asking for this insult. She was totally in the right. She wasn’t trying to shame anyone else. You’re asking for this insult too.",
">\n\nIsn't it more offensive for small pp folk, that there is a guy who base his entire existence on top of an argument that being an alpha, prime male is the most important thing in the world, and you need to be a testosterone bomb gorilla to have any kind of value. Isn't that argument disregards small dick guys in the first place?",
">\n\nAnd Greta just reinforced it with her reply. Do you see the problem now?\nEdit:replaced \"comment\" with \"reply\"",
">\n\nI believe I've already made a statement about what the problem is.",
">\n\nThen do you understand why Greta's reply is offensive and playing into Andrew Tate's hands?",
">\n\nLol this is twitter. There is no playing into each other's hands. Get outside.",
">\n\nOh look. Greta is human. Someone who spent a lot of her growing up time trying to educate people.\nIf she was in a bar and some doofus made a pass, she's just asserting herself. Age and context. Good on her.",
">\n\nIt is actually been studied. Men with small penises actually do have less energy- testosterone or something.",
">\n\nBeing offended by anything is each person's individual choice. If something is offensive to you, then simply choose to not be offended by it. It's truly that simple.",
">\n\nSo there is no such thing as hate speech?",
">\n\nNo, I didn't say that. Someone can certainly say something to someone that they hate with words that they feel will harm them mentally. That is \"hate speech\". The point I was trying to make is that we all as individuals have the choice to react to whatever someone says in whatever way we choose to react. If I feel offended by something that someone is saying, it is my choice to be offended by it.",
">\n\nI pretty much agree, but now we come to who decides. Does the person doing the talking decide whether it is hate speech? Or the person being talked at?",
">\n\nThere is no decision. The person who is talking thinks that what they are saying is not hateful, or they do. The person being talked at thinks that what the other person is saying is hateful, or they don't. The point is that it only matters if you make it matter to you. For example, if I say you are the dumbest person on earth, am I committing the crime of hate speech? Are you the dumbest person on earth? Probably not. But maybe I believe that you are. Does that make it true? If so, then it's not hate speech it's the truth...to me. If you, personally, believe that you are not the dumbest person on earth, then why would you concern yourself with what my dumbass has to say? To you, I'm the dumbest person on earth. I hope I'm getting my point across here.",
">\n\nSo we agree then? No laws regarding hate speech at all. You just ignore it and move on.",
">\n\nYes, sir.",
">\n\nYup",
">\n\nWhat if I say that I am offended that you are offended that you say \"small dick energy\" is offensive to men that are insecure about their size? Say I'm a man with a huge, massive dong. Say it's been a huge issue for me all my life. Let's say, hypothetically, that I am hugely insecure about the massive size of my dong and it's given me problems all my life. Every time I, hypothetically, go for a jog it's constantly flopping all over the place chaffing up my leg. Every time I have sex it's always this huge issue and only like half of the thing can go in before the receiver is like \"oh my god, stop, that's too much!\" Every time I receive oral sex, anything more than an inch beyond the tip causes a gag reflex. Does that sound exciting to you? Here you are bragging about your completely normal sized penis and all your normal sized penis sex and here this hypothetical person with a huge massive dong has all these issues. I can see how a hypothetical person with this debilitating issue would take offense that you take offense.",
">\n\nShe's an edgelord",
">\n\nreddit",
">\n\nSounds like a skill issue",
">\n\nDo you really get that offended? It's not like males themselves haven't sexualized females and their bodies and have said even worse and more common things about them? But we get offended over sum small? pun intended",
">\n\n“Some males have sexualized females therefore it’s fine for society to make fun of penis size.”",
">\n\nSociety? I don't see everyone (which represents society) doing it 😂 maybe you are focusing too much on negativity and that's all you see",
">\n\nSaying “small dick energy” is inherently a negative thing because it’s an insult. It also implies that there’s something bad about less endowed people because Tate is being compared to that demographic. \nWhen I say society, I mean that a decent percentage of people have “____ dick energy” built into their vocabulary to the point where the meaning of these terms is widely agreed on and it loses it’s direct connection to the penis. This doesn’t mean that the term is appropriate to use though since it originated from actual body shaming.",
">\n\nBattle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.",
">\n\nI think you should consider the situation at hand and less the use of insults as an absolute \nAndrew Tate absolutely deserves it",
">\n\nthe post its about the insult. \n\"Yeah I called this person a N... but lets focus on how bad that person is!!\"\nThe insult not only its very inflammatory (shows patriarcal estigmas,Its body shaming, reinforces toxic masculinity)\nIts also an extremely weak answer, its a groundless ad hominem. I would dare to argue the insult talks more about breta and his internalized toxic patriarcal estigmas than anything against tate.",
">\n\nGreta didn't start this. He was harassing her.",
">\n\n\"He started it\" -That's a toddler's excuse lmao",
">\n\nSo, in your opinion, Greta would have insulted him whether he had harassed her first, or not?",
">\n\nHer insulting him isn't the problem here. Its how she insulted him that's problematic.",
">\n\nWell, if he didn't want to be insulted, he could've done pretty much anything else with his time. I love the way you think people should be able to gatekeep how other people should hurt the feelings of people who are harassing them.",
">\n\nI'm not defending him or saying his feelings are hurt or that he doesn't deserve the insult. You're completely missing the point of this post and what we've been discussing. \n\"Body shaming is acceptable when it's directed at people we don't like\"- this is the hypocrisy that's being pointed out. It's not about who's better Tate or Greta but it's the bigger issue of shaming men's insecurities without any regard to their mental health. Do you get it now?",
">\n\nI think I do. It hadn't occurred to me that you might have a small penis. My apologies. Perhaps just as Greta Thurnberg travels the world as an advocate for awareness of Climate Change, you can break down the stereotype that people with small penises have energy. You should probably do as little as possible, though, since you don't want to be accused of having \"energy.\"",
">\n\nWasted my time replying after your \"he started it\" comment smh. Toddler mentality gugu gaga talk to me after you understand the issue.\nEdit: issue",
">\n\nI'm sorry about your peepee. But you have taught me not to trust stereotypes. And learning is fundamental.",
">\n\nI almost forgot. Please don't use the word toddler. It's offensive to small children.",
">\n\nFirst of all \"small dick energy\" shames the energy, not the small dick. It shames the fact to be insecure by your dick size (which is a metaphor for being insecure about your masculinity in general) and overcompensate by doing big manly stuff. It doesn't shame the fact to have a small dick.\nYou can argue that it is as bad, but it's important to understand that.",
">\n\nDon't be a cunt mate.",
">\n\nTechnically yes its body shaming but it's not that big a deal I think",
">\n\nIt has more to do with how they're acting rather than actual anatomy size.",
">\n\ncouple things: small dicks is one of the things about men that men tend to care about to an obsessive degree, that women do to a way lesser degree but pretend to, because men typically like to have a very braggadocious and obnoxious attitude about everything. this tate guy is that to the nth degree. so i mean if anyone deserves being called \"SDE\" its this tate guy \nsecond thing is that people who genuinely do have small dicks don't own that they have what they do; they lie about it. people who really do own that they have small dicks aren't made fun of for having them, because its not funny; the whole point is that you're lying about it and pretending like you're some big shot stud asshole, when you're not. if you own that you have a small dick, then ironically, you don't have \"SDE\"; you own what you have, you're not overcompensating and pretending to be something you're not. \nso if greta thunburg was to call, say, howard stern \"SDE\", a dude who owns that he has a small dick and makes fun of himself for it, then it wouldn't be funny. and howard stern even IS a braggadocious asshole. andrew tate is just wayyyyy more of one, and he pretend like he's god's gift to women. \nin general when it comes to \"oh poor men won't anybody think of the men\" i just cringe. i'm not the most liberal guy. but conservative guys just reappropriating the oppression olympics self-victimization shit and applying it to themselves is just pathetic.",
">\n\nSmall dick guy here... I always felt like guys like Howard Stern were compensating for it by self-loathing comedy. That's a big thing comedians do in general, and so to me it's always hard to say a guy truly doesn't care about it just because he's joking about it. On the other hand, maybe I'm just projecting, because I'll poke fun at my tiny pecker and not really care if someone makes fun of me for it, but it also does truly bother me a little bit when I hear things like, \"Oh that guy is an asshole, he must be mad because he has a tiny dick.\" Like... As if all us small guys are just furious that we aren't gonna win the dick-measuring contest that we let it affect our daily lives. It's a matter of extremes I think. I'm sure there's some guys with small ones that genuinely don't give a single fuck, and others who let it influence their entire lives, but I think most men with a small wang living in a society which implies that's a bad thing are going to end up somewhere in the middle of the scale.\nThe people I really feel bad for are the young people. Growing up with a small dick is a million times harder than being an adult with one. For the most part, nobody really cares if you're a grown man that's small, but when you're a teenager you feel like everybody cares. I had a really hard time wanting to pursue girls because of it, always worried about what their reaction would be, is they'd tell their girlfriends and it would get back to the other guys, etc. And that DOES happen... I remember being at the lunch table and someone saying, 'Did you hear Mike's dick is only x inches?\" and I'd be sitting there like, an inch shorter than Mike and pretending that I found it as funny as everyone else around the table. It didn't really hit me until I was much older that I probably wasn't the only one at the table doing that. Plus I always thought it was weird like, at least that was evidence \"Mike\" was getting some, why should he care if it was small? It wasn't until I got over it and had a few flings and girlfriends that I realized it made such a little difference (pun intended) than what I had built it up to in my mind.\nSo I mean... Yeah, I think some guys do truly have small dick energy, but all that means is they're insecure and I think it kind of sucks that people don't think about the feelings of people who had no part of the fight who get their feelings hurt as collateral damage, and that somehow just because of the douche the insult was leveled at we go, \"Haha you feel insecure about your body!\"\nOne thing it makes me think about that I'm guilty of is calling guys closet-cases. Yeah, I am just trying to point out they're overcompensating about things because they are ashamed of their sexuality, but I don't really take a pause and think, \"Wow, I bet that makes the people actually in the closet feel like shit.\" In some ways, I think it's even worse than just simple body shaming that as a society we're going around making fun of people for issues that could very well be deep seeded mental health issues, or could become so.",
">\n\nidk i just think that the only people being accused of having small dicks are people who are so obnoxious that it feels like they're compensating, like this guy. so sure its \"body shaming\", but a) body shaming is just something that happens that idk if we can ever really do anything about, because human beings value different body parts differently, and b) its only really shaming people because of their behavior, not their bodies. its shaming their behavior, by implying something about their bodies that would be embarrassing particularly for a person who is displaying this behavior, like tate does, because somebody that obsessed with getting chicks would probably be extremely concerned if people thought he had a small dick.",
">\n\nYeah that's the thing though, for me it really bothers me more that people think I'm going around being an asshole, driving a huge truck or otherwise trying to compensate just because my dick is small. I can also see the idea that it implies that having a small dick is bad. I mean just the idea that you can 'accuse' anyone of it implies there's something wrong with it.\nI mean, to me that's easier to hand-wave the idea that there's something wrong with it since I've had enough lived experience to know it doesn't matter. However, I feel like there's probably a lot of people out there who haven't who are still really hung up on it, particularly young people. I know I already brought up homosexuality, but it reminds me of when people use to say you shouldn't call things gay because it puts a negative connotation on homosexuality. Speaking of that, there's that phrase, \"It gets better,\" that is used to comfort/console LGTBQ youths and I think it should be applied to body-image issues too--whether that be penis size, breast size, weight, whatever. Looking back on my life, it was definitely the insecurities that negatively effected me far more than my actual size ever did. \nBut yeah I also feel like there's kind of a lot of people just trying to paint this as her being caught being a hypocrite or something, and I agree with you that I especially hate it when men frame it as some kind of, \"Oh look, see, we're oppressed too. So much for feminism!\" kind of argument.\nI guess I just see both sides of it.",
">\n\nVery well put. I honestly think you have changed some minds today. Hopefully more people stop and think before blindly defending someone they look up to.",
">\n\nI have a small dick, it's fine",
">\n\nThat's the point.",
">\n\nNo shit.",
">\n\n\"small dick energy\" isn't mocking someone for their penis size but for behaving in a way that they are compensating for insecurities and people like Tait measure their masculinity in \"I own cars\" is the epitome of trying to mask insecurities",
">\n\nI think the point about \"energy\" keeps being ignored. \nYou can have a small dick, but with thoughtfulness and confidence never have \"small dick energy\"\nYou can have a big schlong and be a needy jerkstore which gives you \"small dick energy\"\nAnd you can be like Andrew Tate and have a very small one and have \"small dick energy\" and be an absolute creepy, dumbass attention goblin.\nThe grand majority of people don't give a flip about the size of your dick. People with dicks care about the size of their own dick. It's the assumption that everyone cares as much as they do about their dick that's the real problem.",
">\n\nSo you agree the stereotype is false ..... and hurtful. If it's really an assumption as you say then people won't use \"tiny dick\" as an insult on people they don't like right? If no one really cares then there's no need to use it as an insult anyway right? Right??\nBut they do because it's socially acceptable to body shame men for some reason. Just see the tweet posts in other subs and their comments section laughing along, cheering her on and poking fun at men who have small penises and the stereotypes associated with such.",
">\n\nI don't know how old you are but like.\nSaying small dick energy actually has anything to do with the size of someone's dick is like culturally irrelevant.\nLike you can have a tiny dick and still have big dick energy and you can have a big dick and have small dick energy.\nBecause, Most people who need to project their insecurities are insulted by the size assumption.\nIt's more about the idea of insulting someone by saying they're just trying to project masculinity. This is the same reason why being in small dick energy is really used in all circles and not just as a male centered insult.\nLike buck and stud lesbians love the fuck out of that term.\nPeople with a small dick who get insulted by the general idea of small dick energy as an insult need to deal with their own insecurities.\nI'd much rather have a small dick than small dick energy.",
">\n\nIf the size is irrelevant, why associate being small with only negative traits and being big with only positive traits? You can't, and you could just say that being smaller makes you a bad person. It would be more honest. I'm sure people dealing with insecurities appreciate being associated with a human trafficker...",
">\n\nLike I said I have a small dick and would rather have a small dick than have small dick energy.\nThe whole point is that the only people who care about size are people who are easily insecure.\nIt's because they care the people making the jokes know that size doesn't matter and they're not making fun of people who have small dicks they're making fun of the people who care so much about what the size of their dick is that an influences their entire self worth.",
">\n\nThere are plenty of secure people who care about size. They are big, so they don't get made fun of. The people who make the jokes, whether they realize it or not, imply that small = bad person. It reinforces to insecure people that they are wrong for something that they have no control over and that people around them, including loved ones, would think lesser of them, because they probably would if they are making these jokes.",
">\n\nBro I'm not big and I'm pointing out that not everyone who has a small dick is insulted by the idea of small dick energy this really seems to be a you problem.",
">\n\nI'M pointing out that not everyone who is offended is a bad person, but people, like anyone defending this phrase, are just going to pretend to not understand because this is something people don't care if you make fun of, so this is just a waste of time.",
">\n\n\nNot everyone who is offended is a bad person\n\nYeah, they're just wrongly offended because they assume the intent of something from a community they are not a part of. This is happening more and more because of how the internet is working.\nIs like \"Okay Boomer\" wasn't actually about being born a boomer but about the Mindset of the generation.\nIt's the YOU and the other people offended who refuse to understand that \"Small Dick Energy\" isn't connected to you're actual dick size.",
">\n\nIf it's not connected to the dick size then why even phrase it as \"Small Dick Energy\"??\nYou're trying to alter the meaning of words to fit your narrative instead of seeing it for what it is: body shaming against men. Even in your interpretation of the phrase saying it's a mindset it's still wrong that it's equating a shitty mindset with people who have small dicks. Why is this so hard to understand?",
">\n\nBecause it's only the people who are so insecure about their dick size who would get offended by the thought of small dick energy being an insult so it's kind of like self-selecting.\nIt's like when women say I hate men if you're not a man who shitty to women you're not going to get offended by people saying that.\nWe're not making fun of people for having small dicks we're making fun of people for acting like anyone in society cares about the size of your dick.",
">\n\nYour first paragraph basically says that body shaming isn't offensive or hurtful because only people who are insecure will get hurt and offended. That's just wrong. Why? Because it's unnecessarily cruel and just pokes fun at people who are insecure and struggling with their body image. That's punching down on people and shaming them for no reason. \"Small dick energy\" jokes are a form of toxic masculinity and on brand with Tate but now it's legitimised by Greta who's supposed to be progressive and not hateful against people with insecurities. You see the hypocrisy and inconsistency here?\nI don't want to keep repeating myself. Give the top comments a good read and you'll get it.",
">\n\nDoubling down on this saying that also \"Big Dick Energy\" it's an objectification that implicitly disqualifies men who are not allegedly big. But since it's not aimed at women it's totally irrelevant in body shaming debate: you know, fat women must be accepted and regarded as beautiful, but short men? No thanks.",
">\n\nI think context is really important here. Since Andrew Tate is a one-dimensional moron who deserves to feel bad about himself, we know that he values a very surface-level perception of masculinity that is reflected by penis size.\nGenerally, I think making fun of small dicks is pointless, because a person's worth isn't determined by that. But if someone is loudly projecting that they think their worth is determined by that and also makes a living putting down an entire gender, it's fair game IMO.",
">\n\nShe basically proved the \"moron\"s point. Do you understand this? \nHe spews BS that masculinity is reflected by penis size ( having a small penis is shameful) and she basically goes on to insult him with that exact premise. Reinforcing the insult and body shaming people who have nothing to do with him or her. He could be vile and deserving of insults but the way he's insulted reinforces toxic masculinity, which is his entire freaking brand. \nHe has gained more attention and probably more followers now as men who feel left out and laughed at join his ranks making him richer and more influential than he deserves. It was a dumb reply on her part and should be criticized for such, not cheered on.",
">\n\nThis post has small dick energy",
">\n\n?, Andrew tate entire brand its that you should be a \"big dick\" male alpha testosterone and shit. his answer its entirely in his character.\nGreat just reinforced his behaviour. <- thats the wrong part about insulting someone who is entire view promotes toxic masculinity by adding more fuel to that belief. in other words, reinforcing that there is something wrong with you if you have a small penis.",
">\n\nHe literally used it as an insult. If OP has an issue with small dick energy, specifically saying small dick is just even worse. \nAs such if Greta is bad, Tate was even worse.",
">\n\nthe thing is, for tate this is expected?. from greta its very disastrous for what she preaches.",
">\n\nSo if a random person starts talking shit to you, you are required to take the high road?\nThis is the same shit as \"minorities must behave with grace when dealing with racists and bigots\". No thanks. Greta is better because of it.",
">\n\nIf you are an activist you should act in what you believe don´t you?\nOtherwise you are not interested in your ideologies and beliefs, but on being right, that's narcissism.",
">\n\nShes an activist for...climate change. She when was she required to bigger person against assholes?\nWhen did Greta vow to be the pillar of everything good?"
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Sure, you can have you opinion. You can criticize whoever you want. But your opinion isn't the universal standard and I'm not here to change my view.
Best of luck bud.
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"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult.",
">\n\nIt's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh.",
">\n\nHonestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV",
">\n\nPeople can make mistakes and this was one of them.. so we can all just criticize her reply fairly and move on. No need for acute mental gymnastics to defend her as this comments section is showing lmao.",
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">\n\nI don't think anyone is arguing it's not offensive. I'm pretty sure she was trying to offend insecure men. Apparently with great success.",
">\n\nShe was trying to offend men who were insecure about their body image?\nHow is that not body shaming?",
">\n\nIt is, but we playing the avoidance and rationalization game",
">\n\nbecause women invented \"small dick energy\"\nharsh, sad. but we go jim🗿",
">\n\nOP never mentioned women tho. Post is strictly about why it's offensive. Do you disagree that it's not offensive or you think it's a trivial matter to make fun of that men's mental health doesn't matter as much?",
">\n\nThe female equivalent is\n\"Loose Pussy Energy\".\nThe typical man-hate hypocrisy commonly going around is beyond obvious. And it is an attack on All men and boys not just some.",
">\n\nNot a disagreement per se, but also worth noting that it’s transphobic. Which is to say, it insults all men by reinforcing patriarchy and punching down to two groups of men.",
">\n\nShe said small dick energy. Not that he had a small dick (though, come on). She used that phrase BECAUSE it's Tate. She's not a moron.\nHe is, as evidenced by his life to this point and his two responses to Thunberg, which were epically pathetic, is a moron and didn't seem to get it, though he doesn't get a lot.",
">\n\nThis is worse than saying he has a small dick, because how would she know, and that would just be dismissed as stupid.\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\nI can't understand the mental gymnastics some people are doing to try and say this isn't body shaming.",
">\n\n\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\n\nI mean yeah -- kind of like how pussy is an insult denoting cowardice, cunt is an insult meaning basically, terrible, etc., \nShe used that on purpose. Are you making CMV every time you see someone calling someone else a pussy?",
">\n\nPussy is kind of already known to be a shitty gendered insult so it doesn't need a CMV. In this case, Greta's gendered \"having a small penis is bad\" tweet is massively amplified, reached r/all on a shitload of subs, etc. so some discussion about whether or not that is cool is warranted",
">\n\nSmall dick energy isn’t about having a small dick tho. It’s a reflection of an attitude that men who are offensive, aggressive, nasty to people are overcompensating for their insecurities. A small dick doesn’t mean you won’t be able to find a partner or that you’re any less of a man. Being a downright trash bag of a human to others, like in this instance where an internet edgelord is cyber bullying a teenager on the internet who is fighting for the survival of our planet/humanity is an example of this trash behavior, is more of a determining factor. \nYou can also have a small dick but have big dick energy, as it’s reflective of who you are as a person. It’s an attitude. It’s who you choose to be to yourself and others. Hell, there’s women who use the term that they have big dick energy and I can tell you those women’s dicks are none existent so therefore size isn’t a thing. \nNo one should be made fun of for something they had no control over. The worth of a man is not tied to the size of his penis. Although, toxic masculinity and shallow people will tell you different. They say the same for disabled people, fat people etc. There’s plenty of people who are not “conventional standards of beauty” which is the majority of us, that lead happy, healthy relationships. Those relationships start with yourself and understanding your worth as a person isn’t tied to what you look like or how big your junk is. \nThe point is if you choose to be a trash person like Tate, where your self worth is tied into how cruel/offensive you can be to other people, don’t be mad if people call you out for that trashy attitude. Your post definitely reeks of “men are the true victims” when clearly you didn’t seem to have a problem with a grown man cyber bullying a teenager.",
">\n\nI like how you imply that OP is a fan of a literal human trafficker because they point out that a body-shaming insult is body-shaming. Do you understand why associating a trait of someone's body with negative personality traits is bad?",
">\n\nNo because people like this always have exceptions that allow them to use the things they complain about. Cognitive gymnastics allows them to recognise shaming women and people of colour is bad, because society will eat them otherwise, but when someone shows up who deserves a bit of a roasting all of their social etiquette rules go out the window and the excuses come out as to why in this context it doesn't count.\n\"Ahh no, here it is a reflection of an attitude\" blah blah 3 paragraphs later and we've clouded over the simple fact that body shaming is body shaming and harms people you weren't intending to insult.",
">\n\nPeople like this? You’re assuming things about me because I am a character in your mind not a real person. I am not a monolith. We should not be body shaming people. I am explaining the other side of this issue and why people use these terms. You never asked if I use these same terms in my life. You assumed I do. I don’t. You didn’t even bother to read my response because if you did you would have realized this.",
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">\n\nYou can have smol pp but big pp energy and vice versa",
">\n\nSo why is the phrase small dick energy if it has nothing to do with having a small dick?",
">\n\nIdk man, I just work here.",
">\n\nYou know why. Lol cause small dick is associated with bad. And by insulting dicks you use this knowledge to offend, at the cost of body shaming people. \nStop feigning dumb just to avoid the reasoning lol",
">\n\nI can see how it would be offensive, and I wouldn’t use it myself. I feel like the phrase refers more to how someone acts as opposed to how they are endowed. And how it’s behavior and actions that make people think down of you not your penis.",
">\n\nPoint is that we, as a society, should encourage better insults that attack the comments of the person without necessarily having to equate it to something someone with a small dick.",
">\n\nWould you agree with me, that if Andrew clapped back with one of those that the internet would be up in arms about it?",
">\n\nYou mean the way that you are, here, on the internet, up in arms?",
">\n\nIm one person on reddit, theres no major backlash like there would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\nSee, what's happening here is that you are also looking at people who are \"one person on Reddit\" and pretending it's a major backlash. Andrew Tate says fucked up things about women all the time (in fact, it's kind of his whole schtick) and it's as much of a non-event as this is.",
">\n\nPlease link me to something fucked up hes said about women, and ill agree with you, two wrongs don't make a right.",
">\n\nHere's exhibit A.",
">\n\nSure I agree with you he has said fucked up stuff about women, it doesn't mean its okay to make a joke about small dick energy.\nDo you understand my point?",
">\n\nWe understand, it's just that your point is fucking stupid",
">\n\nYou have no idea what his point is, it's funny that people on this thread OP and others actually like Andrew Tate.\nIt proves that everyone is completely frothingly tribalistic with zero nuance.",
">\n\nIf someone is behaving insufferably, people are going to laugh at them for things that they wouldn’t find funny if it happened to someone they liked.\nFor example, is it funny when people go bankrupt? No. Would it be funny if someone like Andrew Tate went bankrupt after boasting about Bugattis and all of his mass wealth? Yes. This doesn’t mean people who would make fun of him for that are making fun of poverty or all people who lose their livelihoods, it would just be funny if it happened to that particular person. \nIn the same way, the idea that Tate does all the douchey, over the top macho things that he does in order to compensate for having a small penis is funny, whilst it not being funny to make fun of every person who has a small penis.",
">\n\nSubstitute fat. Is that ok?",
">\n\nDepends on what the fat person is doing. If the person is minding their own business then no, if the fat person is attacking other people’s appearances then yeah go for it.",
">\n\nInteresting take. Might want to play with that a bit. A lot of situations where your reasoning falls apart.",
">\n\nPeople insulted Trump for being fat when he tried to say he was like the most fit person ever. People make fun of Elon Musk's body. You can make the same type of insult to two different people and it come off two different ways. \nWhen you make your identity or argument around something it opens up certain insults and comebacks. \nTate's whole thing is trying to act like this \"alpha male\" when in reality he's a sex trafficking weirdo who pays women to hang out with him. It's totally fine to insult him with a childish insult. \nI also find that people worried or mad about this don't actually care about body image issues. They just want a gotcha moment for people. Because many would have shitty takes about fat people or whine about pc culture.",
">\n\nWhen you call some MF that doesn't necessarily mean you are a MF... I'm not saying it's okay to say abusing words but we still do use them.\nI don't think she said it in literal terms, it was completely literary. Also she only said it cause it was Tate who she said it to. Also if a woman has small tits and someone said to someone else that they have small tits energy, I don't think one who actually has small tits would mind it, cause she is not involved and it's kinda perfect way of irritating Tate.. cause he really cares about these things. \nWhen it comes to increasing the insecurity of someone who actually has small D and is insecure about it... She couldn't think so far cause all she wanted was to irritate Tate and she was successful",
">\n\nI don't think it even irritated him if that was her goal but definitely helped him with popularity. It just proves what he says people think of insecure men, it just moves them to him and he gains more influence. It was an ignorant reply in poor taste. Someone with much following and influence as Greta shouldn't be as irresponsible and the followers shouldn't be having to do mental gymnastics to defend her instead of seeing it as it is: body shaming against men.",
">\n\nIs this some kind of weird meta-game? Are Andrew Tate fans pretending to actually be offended by this stupid insult to prove a point? Does anybody actually think her retort was any sharper than a brick wrapped in a wet blanket?\nWhat is going on here?!",
">\n\n\nWhat is going on here?!\n\nAndrew Tate fans have a lot of small dick energy. That's whats going on.",
">\n\nWhy are people not allowed dislike tate (he's an absolute idiot and a grifter) and also to criticize obvious body shaming from a supposed progressive? If Biden started talking about \"N*gger energy\" criticizing Kanye for antisemitism, would that be ok in your eyes? Would you say that a black guy who doesn't like that must be an angry Kanye fan? Or is it disgustingly offensive towards all African Americans to use that type of language no matter what?",
">\n\nBecause it suits their narrative to frame it as if people are just defending tate. It's easier than just actually defending body shaming. Done deal.",
">\n\nI think Greta used that phrase not because she actually believes or wants to promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior, but because people like Andrew Tate believe and promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior. If Andrew Tate gets hurt because Greta says he has small dick energy, then maybe -- just maybe, with the tiniest bit of introspection -- he'll come to realize how hateful some of his language is.\nBullies like Andrew Tate don't really respond to logic or pleas for sympathy. The only way to maybe make them understand the hurt they cause is to inflict it on them, because they don't care about anyone but themselves. \nSo instead of putting the cart before the horse and blaming Greta for using an offensive phrase as an argumentative tactic, maybe blame the people who use the phrase to actually demean people.",
">\n\nCan we substitute fat instead and be justified?",
">\n\nYes people did that with Trump when he claimed to be the fittest person ever basically. If someone has a habit of insulting people a certain way or making certain claims then they open themselves up to specific insults. \nSometimes we'd find those insults not tasteful if said to other people. But I feel like most people equating this to fat insults don't actually care about fat people. A lot of people would also be like oh things are getting too pc or soft or woke when it comes to body positivity towards fat people. So for me it's hard to buy this line of reasoning as being truly valid or caring.",
">\n\nNo one said it has to be authentic caring. This sub is for exploring the intellectual arguments. Your perception of how authentic someone’s feelings towards fat people is basically irrelevant. Argue the point or don’t. Passing your authenticity test is a wierd standard to try to argue for.",
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">\n\nYes, making insults is offensive. That's the point.\nInsults that reference a body part are also offensive to people who are insecure about that body part. That's also kinda obvious.\nWhat do you want your mind changed about here? I'm unclear about what you think can be discussed about an insult meant to be insulting. Are you arguing that this insult is especially wrong in some way?\nHow is this not just you soapboxing?",
">\n\nThere's a reason as a society we don't use insults like \"retard\". This is in the same vein. You're attributing a negative thing with a man having a small penis. This is harmful as it perpetuates the stigma surrounding penis size which is outside ones control. Essentially it degrades a group of people who have nothing to do with it. OP wants to know whether or not this is reconciled. Reading the comments... It has not been. \nMaking gendered insults doesn't bother me truthfully but I can understand the frustration OP is expressing because were it to be a man making some edgy reference to a woman's lady parts being inadequate as a way to demean them then everyone would be outraged as opposed to cheering it on.",
">\n\nUsing “small dick” as an insult, or “loose pussy” isn’t really offensive unless you are insecure about the physical viability of your reproductive organs. \nBut, that doesn’t make it funny. It’s a really juvenile and uncreative way of ridiculing someone.",
">\n\nInsecure women are offended when they're fat shamed.\nIt's still body shaming.\nIt's still wrong.",
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">\n\nGuy randomly decides to flex on her by saying I HAVE CARS AND I LIKE TO GO VROOOOM. It's like when Piers decides that it's absolutely important to eat meat in front of vegans. It's not about penis size. It's just that smalldickenergy is a perfect explanation of why would someone decide to behave like this.",
">\n\nShe is 19. Maybe in a few years she will have more mature insults. It’s a lot of pressure to be put on someone so young to also say the perfect thing all the time",
">\n\nUnder nearly all circumstances, I agree with you.\nHowever, for a lot of people who have built a cult of personality around any given ideal, insults of the inoffensive type are completely commonplace. All they have to do is fend off one or two instances of this PG rated attacks, strawman them, call them snowflakes, and their following is bolstered and enhanced. Instead of having any negative effect, it becomes part of their inherent power.\nSometimes if you want to rattle a cult leader you have to hit with precision their most critical weakness and watch them implode. The fact that Tate is squirming so hard and doing everything he can to reclaim some of his dignity after Greta's clapback means that she has his number. Great isn't saying that having a small dick is bad, but knowing that Tate's entire personality is built about being an alpha male and that calling into question the size of his member will hurt him the most is what she was after. \nOf course, it wasn't classy and could be offensive to some. But as the saying goes, sometimes you have to fight fire with fire.",
">\n\nReally is he squirming? \nHe's rich he's popular and now he's gotten someone he disagrees with to repeat his ideology and platform spreading it to a wider audience. \nI'd argue he's happy for the attention and popularity that she's given to him now and enjoying the increased sales in his business as more men who feel marginalized and left out join him seeing this hypocrisy playing out. Not to mention all the political players( internationally) who were against climate action seeing all this and aligning themselves appropriately, possibly propping him up and making him something more than what he actually is- An ignorant troll. \nEngage with a troll and you only give them more power. The tweet was dumb and people should know better.\nEdit: spacing",
">\n\nI'm not commenting on whether or not his fans will like him more or if the controversy will inadvertently grant him a wider audience. \nI'm commenting that Greta knew exactly where and how to hit him the hardest. Yes, he is definitely squirming. He has scrambled out half a dozen prepubescent \"I know you are but what am I\" tweets. Then he went and made the absolute cringiest response video. He's incensed by being talked down to by Greta and is overcompensating. \nDid her tweet have any net positive effect on society? No. Did it ruffle Tate's feathers and make his blood boil? Yea. Would he have even cared if she called him a misogynistic prick? Absolutely not. He would have just told her to sit down and shut up, that misogyny is made up by inferior women blah blah blah...\nInstead, his insecurities are eating him alive.",
">\n\nWhy even respond and give him attention that he so desperately craves? And why body shame men in the process? \nIf she didn't have a better insult she could have just went on with her life instead of helping him grow. Using \"small dick energy\" as an insult means implicitly we agree that people with small penises are inferior and undesirable. That's basically what Tate is on about ( Toxic masculinity). And by laughing at her tweet we all reinforce that perception. Do you get that? \nSick of double standards and hypocrisy. At least people should have the courage to own up and acknowledge it then move on instead of doubling down and performing mental gymnastics to justify an obvious case of body shaming.\nI agree with you on one thing that the net effect on society because of this tweet exchange is negative and only serves the people who Greta and her followers hate.",
">\n\nI think you are missing what I am saying. I fully agree that it wasn't necessary nor was it the right thing for Greta to do. I also agree that it just gives him attention and was overall a useless venture other for the entertainment of Tate haters.\nOP asked why it is okay. I stated that it isn't okay but that I understand why Greta took that road rather than the suggested non-offensive approach. It is because he's immune to it. What he isn't immune to is his masculinity and ego being questioned. What is the point of the Wolf continuing to blow on the brick house? None. To get to the scared little piggies inside he needs a jackhammer. \nAnd it worked exactly how she planned it to. He was rattled and anyone who hates Tate is amused. \nNot saying it's the right thing to do, nor do I want anyone to feel ashamed of the size of their penis.",
">\n\nOk.. thanks for elaborating on that. I misunderstood your comment as a disagreement and engaged to try and change your mind but seems we share the same view.",
">\n\nYou do not know what Greta is \"fully aware\" of. She is referring to character and behaviour, why are you taking this personally? She isn't speaking to you, hasn't seen you, doesn't know you. I don't know why you are externalizing your issue like this and waving it around in public, is it our responsibility to fix this for you?\nShe was just making a tiny joke. Relax. smalldickenergy @ getalife .com is hilarious.",
">\n\nAside from everything else, it's men who started the 'big dick energy' idiocy so to then complain when someone uses their own stupidity against them...",
">\n\nYeah because men are a monolith and we all meet in a room and know each other smh.",
">\n\nThey’re saying it’s offensive to more than just Andrew Tate",
">\n\nYeah but again, ISN'T THE PURPOSE",
">\n\nWhat do you mean again? You didn’t say that before. And why does the purpose matter? You can do a bad thing without meaning to.",
">\n\nI meant to say isn't that the purpose lol mb",
">\n\nOh lol I probably should have realized that. But I think the point of the insult was to offend Andrew Tate.",
">\n\nFair. Trying to not say anything about him one way or another so I don't get downvoted to hell.",
">\n\nGreta lost that argument. She literally has like a hundred things Tate has said and done she could attack. Easy target... The one thing she chose to do is to body shame the man. It's just name calling. It's not a refutation of Tate. If anything it makes her sound stupid for her inability to come up with a refutation.",
">\n\nExactly. But people are just cheering her on and laughing along without grasping the nuance of the situation.",
">\n\nI think you are kinda missing the point. People know it offensive. The issue is that they don't care.",
">\n\nPeople used to make fun of small tits all the time. Remember the 90s? Remember the itty bitty titty committee? I don't know if that's a thing any more, but skinny women with no butts are definitely not seen as attractive. It's not fair. It's not their fault. People need to stop shaming themselves and eachother, and accept all bodies. Until then, \"small dick energy\" won't cease to be an insult. I guess the difference is people are sort of \"punching up\" since it's always been people with dicks who have the power in this world. I've never heard a dude say that another dude has \"small dick energy.\" It's always a woman saying that. Either way I think it's dumb but I get it. I've always thought \"Karen\" was a dumb insult too. Not someone's fault they were named Karen, LOL.",
">\n\nAndrew insulted her. He was asking for this insult. She was totally in the right. She wasn’t trying to shame anyone else. You’re asking for this insult too.",
">\n\nIsn't it more offensive for small pp folk, that there is a guy who base his entire existence on top of an argument that being an alpha, prime male is the most important thing in the world, and you need to be a testosterone bomb gorilla to have any kind of value. Isn't that argument disregards small dick guys in the first place?",
">\n\nAnd Greta just reinforced it with her reply. Do you see the problem now?\nEdit:replaced \"comment\" with \"reply\"",
">\n\nI believe I've already made a statement about what the problem is.",
">\n\nThen do you understand why Greta's reply is offensive and playing into Andrew Tate's hands?",
">\n\nLol this is twitter. There is no playing into each other's hands. Get outside.",
">\n\nOh look. Greta is human. Someone who spent a lot of her growing up time trying to educate people.\nIf she was in a bar and some doofus made a pass, she's just asserting herself. Age and context. Good on her.",
">\n\nIt is actually been studied. Men with small penises actually do have less energy- testosterone or something.",
">\n\nBeing offended by anything is each person's individual choice. If something is offensive to you, then simply choose to not be offended by it. It's truly that simple.",
">\n\nSo there is no such thing as hate speech?",
">\n\nNo, I didn't say that. Someone can certainly say something to someone that they hate with words that they feel will harm them mentally. That is \"hate speech\". The point I was trying to make is that we all as individuals have the choice to react to whatever someone says in whatever way we choose to react. If I feel offended by something that someone is saying, it is my choice to be offended by it.",
">\n\nI pretty much agree, but now we come to who decides. Does the person doing the talking decide whether it is hate speech? Or the person being talked at?",
">\n\nThere is no decision. The person who is talking thinks that what they are saying is not hateful, or they do. The person being talked at thinks that what the other person is saying is hateful, or they don't. The point is that it only matters if you make it matter to you. For example, if I say you are the dumbest person on earth, am I committing the crime of hate speech? Are you the dumbest person on earth? Probably not. But maybe I believe that you are. Does that make it true? If so, then it's not hate speech it's the truth...to me. If you, personally, believe that you are not the dumbest person on earth, then why would you concern yourself with what my dumbass has to say? To you, I'm the dumbest person on earth. I hope I'm getting my point across here.",
">\n\nSo we agree then? No laws regarding hate speech at all. You just ignore it and move on.",
">\n\nYes, sir.",
">\n\nYup",
">\n\nWhat if I say that I am offended that you are offended that you say \"small dick energy\" is offensive to men that are insecure about their size? Say I'm a man with a huge, massive dong. Say it's been a huge issue for me all my life. Let's say, hypothetically, that I am hugely insecure about the massive size of my dong and it's given me problems all my life. Every time I, hypothetically, go for a jog it's constantly flopping all over the place chaffing up my leg. Every time I have sex it's always this huge issue and only like half of the thing can go in before the receiver is like \"oh my god, stop, that's too much!\" Every time I receive oral sex, anything more than an inch beyond the tip causes a gag reflex. Does that sound exciting to you? Here you are bragging about your completely normal sized penis and all your normal sized penis sex and here this hypothetical person with a huge massive dong has all these issues. I can see how a hypothetical person with this debilitating issue would take offense that you take offense.",
">\n\nShe's an edgelord",
">\n\nreddit",
">\n\nSounds like a skill issue",
">\n\nDo you really get that offended? It's not like males themselves haven't sexualized females and their bodies and have said even worse and more common things about them? But we get offended over sum small? pun intended",
">\n\n“Some males have sexualized females therefore it’s fine for society to make fun of penis size.”",
">\n\nSociety? I don't see everyone (which represents society) doing it 😂 maybe you are focusing too much on negativity and that's all you see",
">\n\nSaying “small dick energy” is inherently a negative thing because it’s an insult. It also implies that there’s something bad about less endowed people because Tate is being compared to that demographic. \nWhen I say society, I mean that a decent percentage of people have “____ dick energy” built into their vocabulary to the point where the meaning of these terms is widely agreed on and it loses it’s direct connection to the penis. This doesn’t mean that the term is appropriate to use though since it originated from actual body shaming.",
">\n\nBattle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.",
">\n\nI think you should consider the situation at hand and less the use of insults as an absolute \nAndrew Tate absolutely deserves it",
">\n\nthe post its about the insult. \n\"Yeah I called this person a N... but lets focus on how bad that person is!!\"\nThe insult not only its very inflammatory (shows patriarcal estigmas,Its body shaming, reinforces toxic masculinity)\nIts also an extremely weak answer, its a groundless ad hominem. I would dare to argue the insult talks more about breta and his internalized toxic patriarcal estigmas than anything against tate.",
">\n\nGreta didn't start this. He was harassing her.",
">\n\n\"He started it\" -That's a toddler's excuse lmao",
">\n\nSo, in your opinion, Greta would have insulted him whether he had harassed her first, or not?",
">\n\nHer insulting him isn't the problem here. Its how she insulted him that's problematic.",
">\n\nWell, if he didn't want to be insulted, he could've done pretty much anything else with his time. I love the way you think people should be able to gatekeep how other people should hurt the feelings of people who are harassing them.",
">\n\nI'm not defending him or saying his feelings are hurt or that he doesn't deserve the insult. You're completely missing the point of this post and what we've been discussing. \n\"Body shaming is acceptable when it's directed at people we don't like\"- this is the hypocrisy that's being pointed out. It's not about who's better Tate or Greta but it's the bigger issue of shaming men's insecurities without any regard to their mental health. Do you get it now?",
">\n\nI think I do. It hadn't occurred to me that you might have a small penis. My apologies. Perhaps just as Greta Thurnberg travels the world as an advocate for awareness of Climate Change, you can break down the stereotype that people with small penises have energy. You should probably do as little as possible, though, since you don't want to be accused of having \"energy.\"",
">\n\nWasted my time replying after your \"he started it\" comment smh. Toddler mentality gugu gaga talk to me after you understand the issue.\nEdit: issue",
">\n\nI'm sorry about your peepee. But you have taught me not to trust stereotypes. And learning is fundamental.",
">\n\nI almost forgot. Please don't use the word toddler. It's offensive to small children.",
">\n\nFirst of all \"small dick energy\" shames the energy, not the small dick. It shames the fact to be insecure by your dick size (which is a metaphor for being insecure about your masculinity in general) and overcompensate by doing big manly stuff. It doesn't shame the fact to have a small dick.\nYou can argue that it is as bad, but it's important to understand that.",
">\n\nDon't be a cunt mate.",
">\n\nTechnically yes its body shaming but it's not that big a deal I think",
">\n\nIt has more to do with how they're acting rather than actual anatomy size.",
">\n\ncouple things: small dicks is one of the things about men that men tend to care about to an obsessive degree, that women do to a way lesser degree but pretend to, because men typically like to have a very braggadocious and obnoxious attitude about everything. this tate guy is that to the nth degree. so i mean if anyone deserves being called \"SDE\" its this tate guy \nsecond thing is that people who genuinely do have small dicks don't own that they have what they do; they lie about it. people who really do own that they have small dicks aren't made fun of for having them, because its not funny; the whole point is that you're lying about it and pretending like you're some big shot stud asshole, when you're not. if you own that you have a small dick, then ironically, you don't have \"SDE\"; you own what you have, you're not overcompensating and pretending to be something you're not. \nso if greta thunburg was to call, say, howard stern \"SDE\", a dude who owns that he has a small dick and makes fun of himself for it, then it wouldn't be funny. and howard stern even IS a braggadocious asshole. andrew tate is just wayyyyy more of one, and he pretend like he's god's gift to women. \nin general when it comes to \"oh poor men won't anybody think of the men\" i just cringe. i'm not the most liberal guy. but conservative guys just reappropriating the oppression olympics self-victimization shit and applying it to themselves is just pathetic.",
">\n\nSmall dick guy here... I always felt like guys like Howard Stern were compensating for it by self-loathing comedy. That's a big thing comedians do in general, and so to me it's always hard to say a guy truly doesn't care about it just because he's joking about it. On the other hand, maybe I'm just projecting, because I'll poke fun at my tiny pecker and not really care if someone makes fun of me for it, but it also does truly bother me a little bit when I hear things like, \"Oh that guy is an asshole, he must be mad because he has a tiny dick.\" Like... As if all us small guys are just furious that we aren't gonna win the dick-measuring contest that we let it affect our daily lives. It's a matter of extremes I think. I'm sure there's some guys with small ones that genuinely don't give a single fuck, and others who let it influence their entire lives, but I think most men with a small wang living in a society which implies that's a bad thing are going to end up somewhere in the middle of the scale.\nThe people I really feel bad for are the young people. Growing up with a small dick is a million times harder than being an adult with one. For the most part, nobody really cares if you're a grown man that's small, but when you're a teenager you feel like everybody cares. I had a really hard time wanting to pursue girls because of it, always worried about what their reaction would be, is they'd tell their girlfriends and it would get back to the other guys, etc. And that DOES happen... I remember being at the lunch table and someone saying, 'Did you hear Mike's dick is only x inches?\" and I'd be sitting there like, an inch shorter than Mike and pretending that I found it as funny as everyone else around the table. It didn't really hit me until I was much older that I probably wasn't the only one at the table doing that. Plus I always thought it was weird like, at least that was evidence \"Mike\" was getting some, why should he care if it was small? It wasn't until I got over it and had a few flings and girlfriends that I realized it made such a little difference (pun intended) than what I had built it up to in my mind.\nSo I mean... Yeah, I think some guys do truly have small dick energy, but all that means is they're insecure and I think it kind of sucks that people don't think about the feelings of people who had no part of the fight who get their feelings hurt as collateral damage, and that somehow just because of the douche the insult was leveled at we go, \"Haha you feel insecure about your body!\"\nOne thing it makes me think about that I'm guilty of is calling guys closet-cases. Yeah, I am just trying to point out they're overcompensating about things because they are ashamed of their sexuality, but I don't really take a pause and think, \"Wow, I bet that makes the people actually in the closet feel like shit.\" In some ways, I think it's even worse than just simple body shaming that as a society we're going around making fun of people for issues that could very well be deep seeded mental health issues, or could become so.",
">\n\nidk i just think that the only people being accused of having small dicks are people who are so obnoxious that it feels like they're compensating, like this guy. so sure its \"body shaming\", but a) body shaming is just something that happens that idk if we can ever really do anything about, because human beings value different body parts differently, and b) its only really shaming people because of their behavior, not their bodies. its shaming their behavior, by implying something about their bodies that would be embarrassing particularly for a person who is displaying this behavior, like tate does, because somebody that obsessed with getting chicks would probably be extremely concerned if people thought he had a small dick.",
">\n\nYeah that's the thing though, for me it really bothers me more that people think I'm going around being an asshole, driving a huge truck or otherwise trying to compensate just because my dick is small. I can also see the idea that it implies that having a small dick is bad. I mean just the idea that you can 'accuse' anyone of it implies there's something wrong with it.\nI mean, to me that's easier to hand-wave the idea that there's something wrong with it since I've had enough lived experience to know it doesn't matter. However, I feel like there's probably a lot of people out there who haven't who are still really hung up on it, particularly young people. I know I already brought up homosexuality, but it reminds me of when people use to say you shouldn't call things gay because it puts a negative connotation on homosexuality. Speaking of that, there's that phrase, \"It gets better,\" that is used to comfort/console LGTBQ youths and I think it should be applied to body-image issues too--whether that be penis size, breast size, weight, whatever. Looking back on my life, it was definitely the insecurities that negatively effected me far more than my actual size ever did. \nBut yeah I also feel like there's kind of a lot of people just trying to paint this as her being caught being a hypocrite or something, and I agree with you that I especially hate it when men frame it as some kind of, \"Oh look, see, we're oppressed too. So much for feminism!\" kind of argument.\nI guess I just see both sides of it.",
">\n\nVery well put. I honestly think you have changed some minds today. Hopefully more people stop and think before blindly defending someone they look up to.",
">\n\nI have a small dick, it's fine",
">\n\nThat's the point.",
">\n\nNo shit.",
">\n\n\"small dick energy\" isn't mocking someone for their penis size but for behaving in a way that they are compensating for insecurities and people like Tait measure their masculinity in \"I own cars\" is the epitome of trying to mask insecurities",
">\n\nI think the point about \"energy\" keeps being ignored. \nYou can have a small dick, but with thoughtfulness and confidence never have \"small dick energy\"\nYou can have a big schlong and be a needy jerkstore which gives you \"small dick energy\"\nAnd you can be like Andrew Tate and have a very small one and have \"small dick energy\" and be an absolute creepy, dumbass attention goblin.\nThe grand majority of people don't give a flip about the size of your dick. People with dicks care about the size of their own dick. It's the assumption that everyone cares as much as they do about their dick that's the real problem.",
">\n\nSo you agree the stereotype is false ..... and hurtful. If it's really an assumption as you say then people won't use \"tiny dick\" as an insult on people they don't like right? If no one really cares then there's no need to use it as an insult anyway right? Right??\nBut they do because it's socially acceptable to body shame men for some reason. Just see the tweet posts in other subs and their comments section laughing along, cheering her on and poking fun at men who have small penises and the stereotypes associated with such.",
">\n\nI don't know how old you are but like.\nSaying small dick energy actually has anything to do with the size of someone's dick is like culturally irrelevant.\nLike you can have a tiny dick and still have big dick energy and you can have a big dick and have small dick energy.\nBecause, Most people who need to project their insecurities are insulted by the size assumption.\nIt's more about the idea of insulting someone by saying they're just trying to project masculinity. This is the same reason why being in small dick energy is really used in all circles and not just as a male centered insult.\nLike buck and stud lesbians love the fuck out of that term.\nPeople with a small dick who get insulted by the general idea of small dick energy as an insult need to deal with their own insecurities.\nI'd much rather have a small dick than small dick energy.",
">\n\nIf the size is irrelevant, why associate being small with only negative traits and being big with only positive traits? You can't, and you could just say that being smaller makes you a bad person. It would be more honest. I'm sure people dealing with insecurities appreciate being associated with a human trafficker...",
">\n\nLike I said I have a small dick and would rather have a small dick than have small dick energy.\nThe whole point is that the only people who care about size are people who are easily insecure.\nIt's because they care the people making the jokes know that size doesn't matter and they're not making fun of people who have small dicks they're making fun of the people who care so much about what the size of their dick is that an influences their entire self worth.",
">\n\nThere are plenty of secure people who care about size. They are big, so they don't get made fun of. The people who make the jokes, whether they realize it or not, imply that small = bad person. It reinforces to insecure people that they are wrong for something that they have no control over and that people around them, including loved ones, would think lesser of them, because they probably would if they are making these jokes.",
">\n\nBro I'm not big and I'm pointing out that not everyone who has a small dick is insulted by the idea of small dick energy this really seems to be a you problem.",
">\n\nI'M pointing out that not everyone who is offended is a bad person, but people, like anyone defending this phrase, are just going to pretend to not understand because this is something people don't care if you make fun of, so this is just a waste of time.",
">\n\n\nNot everyone who is offended is a bad person\n\nYeah, they're just wrongly offended because they assume the intent of something from a community they are not a part of. This is happening more and more because of how the internet is working.\nIs like \"Okay Boomer\" wasn't actually about being born a boomer but about the Mindset of the generation.\nIt's the YOU and the other people offended who refuse to understand that \"Small Dick Energy\" isn't connected to you're actual dick size.",
">\n\nIf it's not connected to the dick size then why even phrase it as \"Small Dick Energy\"??\nYou're trying to alter the meaning of words to fit your narrative instead of seeing it for what it is: body shaming against men. Even in your interpretation of the phrase saying it's a mindset it's still wrong that it's equating a shitty mindset with people who have small dicks. Why is this so hard to understand?",
">\n\nBecause it's only the people who are so insecure about their dick size who would get offended by the thought of small dick energy being an insult so it's kind of like self-selecting.\nIt's like when women say I hate men if you're not a man who shitty to women you're not going to get offended by people saying that.\nWe're not making fun of people for having small dicks we're making fun of people for acting like anyone in society cares about the size of your dick.",
">\n\nYour first paragraph basically says that body shaming isn't offensive or hurtful because only people who are insecure will get hurt and offended. That's just wrong. Why? Because it's unnecessarily cruel and just pokes fun at people who are insecure and struggling with their body image. That's punching down on people and shaming them for no reason. \"Small dick energy\" jokes are a form of toxic masculinity and on brand with Tate but now it's legitimised by Greta who's supposed to be progressive and not hateful against people with insecurities. You see the hypocrisy and inconsistency here?\nI don't want to keep repeating myself. Give the top comments a good read and you'll get it.",
">\n\nDoubling down on this saying that also \"Big Dick Energy\" it's an objectification that implicitly disqualifies men who are not allegedly big. But since it's not aimed at women it's totally irrelevant in body shaming debate: you know, fat women must be accepted and regarded as beautiful, but short men? No thanks.",
">\n\nI think context is really important here. Since Andrew Tate is a one-dimensional moron who deserves to feel bad about himself, we know that he values a very surface-level perception of masculinity that is reflected by penis size.\nGenerally, I think making fun of small dicks is pointless, because a person's worth isn't determined by that. But if someone is loudly projecting that they think their worth is determined by that and also makes a living putting down an entire gender, it's fair game IMO.",
">\n\nShe basically proved the \"moron\"s point. Do you understand this? \nHe spews BS that masculinity is reflected by penis size ( having a small penis is shameful) and she basically goes on to insult him with that exact premise. Reinforcing the insult and body shaming people who have nothing to do with him or her. He could be vile and deserving of insults but the way he's insulted reinforces toxic masculinity, which is his entire freaking brand. \nHe has gained more attention and probably more followers now as men who feel left out and laughed at join his ranks making him richer and more influential than he deserves. It was a dumb reply on her part and should be criticized for such, not cheered on.",
">\n\nThis post has small dick energy",
">\n\n?, Andrew tate entire brand its that you should be a \"big dick\" male alpha testosterone and shit. his answer its entirely in his character.\nGreat just reinforced his behaviour. <- thats the wrong part about insulting someone who is entire view promotes toxic masculinity by adding more fuel to that belief. in other words, reinforcing that there is something wrong with you if you have a small penis.",
">\n\nHe literally used it as an insult. If OP has an issue with small dick energy, specifically saying small dick is just even worse. \nAs such if Greta is bad, Tate was even worse.",
">\n\nthe thing is, for tate this is expected?. from greta its very disastrous for what she preaches.",
">\n\nSo if a random person starts talking shit to you, you are required to take the high road?\nThis is the same shit as \"minorities must behave with grace when dealing with racists and bigots\". No thanks. Greta is better because of it.",
">\n\nIf you are an activist you should act in what you believe don´t you?\nOtherwise you are not interested in your ideologies and beliefs, but on being right, that's narcissism.",
">\n\nShes an activist for...climate change. She when was she required to bigger person against assholes?\nWhen did Greta vow to be the pillar of everything good?",
">\n\nShe is a progressive public figure that millions of youth look up to.. that's why her reply is being criticized for being hypocritical. \nProgressives are vocal against body shaming except when it's targeted at someone they don't like, then it's all fair game. This is the hypocrisy that's being pointed out. The inconsistency. \nIdk if she ever vowed to be a pillar of everything good but when she uses language that makes fun of people's insecurities and reinforcing a toxic masculine stereotype( which is Tate's branding btw), then I think it's fair that she gets criticized for it."
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I read your previous comment and it's not about Greta Vs Tate who's good who's worse but rather the hypocrisy and bias against men in body shaming. I think you got that point but if you didn't, then I'd suggest going through the top comments to understand the issue at hand.
Ty and best of luck to you as well.
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"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult.",
">\n\nIt's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh.",
">\n\nHonestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV",
">\n\nPeople can make mistakes and this was one of them.. so we can all just criticize her reply fairly and move on. No need for acute mental gymnastics to defend her as this comments section is showing lmao.",
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">\n\nI don't think anyone is arguing it's not offensive. I'm pretty sure she was trying to offend insecure men. Apparently with great success.",
">\n\nShe was trying to offend men who were insecure about their body image?\nHow is that not body shaming?",
">\n\nIt is, but we playing the avoidance and rationalization game",
">\n\nbecause women invented \"small dick energy\"\nharsh, sad. but we go jim🗿",
">\n\nOP never mentioned women tho. Post is strictly about why it's offensive. Do you disagree that it's not offensive or you think it's a trivial matter to make fun of that men's mental health doesn't matter as much?",
">\n\nThe female equivalent is\n\"Loose Pussy Energy\".\nThe typical man-hate hypocrisy commonly going around is beyond obvious. And it is an attack on All men and boys not just some.",
">\n\nNot a disagreement per se, but also worth noting that it’s transphobic. Which is to say, it insults all men by reinforcing patriarchy and punching down to two groups of men.",
">\n\nShe said small dick energy. Not that he had a small dick (though, come on). She used that phrase BECAUSE it's Tate. She's not a moron.\nHe is, as evidenced by his life to this point and his two responses to Thunberg, which were epically pathetic, is a moron and didn't seem to get it, though he doesn't get a lot.",
">\n\nThis is worse than saying he has a small dick, because how would she know, and that would just be dismissed as stupid.\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\nI can't understand the mental gymnastics some people are doing to try and say this isn't body shaming.",
">\n\n\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\n\nI mean yeah -- kind of like how pussy is an insult denoting cowardice, cunt is an insult meaning basically, terrible, etc., \nShe used that on purpose. Are you making CMV every time you see someone calling someone else a pussy?",
">\n\nPussy is kind of already known to be a shitty gendered insult so it doesn't need a CMV. In this case, Greta's gendered \"having a small penis is bad\" tweet is massively amplified, reached r/all on a shitload of subs, etc. so some discussion about whether or not that is cool is warranted",
">\n\nSmall dick energy isn’t about having a small dick tho. It’s a reflection of an attitude that men who are offensive, aggressive, nasty to people are overcompensating for their insecurities. A small dick doesn’t mean you won’t be able to find a partner or that you’re any less of a man. Being a downright trash bag of a human to others, like in this instance where an internet edgelord is cyber bullying a teenager on the internet who is fighting for the survival of our planet/humanity is an example of this trash behavior, is more of a determining factor. \nYou can also have a small dick but have big dick energy, as it’s reflective of who you are as a person. It’s an attitude. It’s who you choose to be to yourself and others. Hell, there’s women who use the term that they have big dick energy and I can tell you those women’s dicks are none existent so therefore size isn’t a thing. \nNo one should be made fun of for something they had no control over. The worth of a man is not tied to the size of his penis. Although, toxic masculinity and shallow people will tell you different. They say the same for disabled people, fat people etc. There’s plenty of people who are not “conventional standards of beauty” which is the majority of us, that lead happy, healthy relationships. Those relationships start with yourself and understanding your worth as a person isn’t tied to what you look like or how big your junk is. \nThe point is if you choose to be a trash person like Tate, where your self worth is tied into how cruel/offensive you can be to other people, don’t be mad if people call you out for that trashy attitude. Your post definitely reeks of “men are the true victims” when clearly you didn’t seem to have a problem with a grown man cyber bullying a teenager.",
">\n\nI like how you imply that OP is a fan of a literal human trafficker because they point out that a body-shaming insult is body-shaming. Do you understand why associating a trait of someone's body with negative personality traits is bad?",
">\n\nNo because people like this always have exceptions that allow them to use the things they complain about. Cognitive gymnastics allows them to recognise shaming women and people of colour is bad, because society will eat them otherwise, but when someone shows up who deserves a bit of a roasting all of their social etiquette rules go out the window and the excuses come out as to why in this context it doesn't count.\n\"Ahh no, here it is a reflection of an attitude\" blah blah 3 paragraphs later and we've clouded over the simple fact that body shaming is body shaming and harms people you weren't intending to insult.",
">\n\nPeople like this? You’re assuming things about me because I am a character in your mind not a real person. I am not a monolith. We should not be body shaming people. I am explaining the other side of this issue and why people use these terms. You never asked if I use these same terms in my life. You assumed I do. I don’t. You didn’t even bother to read my response because if you did you would have realized this.",
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">\n\nYou can have smol pp but big pp energy and vice versa",
">\n\nSo why is the phrase small dick energy if it has nothing to do with having a small dick?",
">\n\nIdk man, I just work here.",
">\n\nYou know why. Lol cause small dick is associated with bad. And by insulting dicks you use this knowledge to offend, at the cost of body shaming people. \nStop feigning dumb just to avoid the reasoning lol",
">\n\nI can see how it would be offensive, and I wouldn’t use it myself. I feel like the phrase refers more to how someone acts as opposed to how they are endowed. And how it’s behavior and actions that make people think down of you not your penis.",
">\n\nPoint is that we, as a society, should encourage better insults that attack the comments of the person without necessarily having to equate it to something someone with a small dick.",
">\n\nWould you agree with me, that if Andrew clapped back with one of those that the internet would be up in arms about it?",
">\n\nYou mean the way that you are, here, on the internet, up in arms?",
">\n\nIm one person on reddit, theres no major backlash like there would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\nSee, what's happening here is that you are also looking at people who are \"one person on Reddit\" and pretending it's a major backlash. Andrew Tate says fucked up things about women all the time (in fact, it's kind of his whole schtick) and it's as much of a non-event as this is.",
">\n\nPlease link me to something fucked up hes said about women, and ill agree with you, two wrongs don't make a right.",
">\n\nHere's exhibit A.",
">\n\nSure I agree with you he has said fucked up stuff about women, it doesn't mean its okay to make a joke about small dick energy.\nDo you understand my point?",
">\n\nWe understand, it's just that your point is fucking stupid",
">\n\nYou have no idea what his point is, it's funny that people on this thread OP and others actually like Andrew Tate.\nIt proves that everyone is completely frothingly tribalistic with zero nuance.",
">\n\nIf someone is behaving insufferably, people are going to laugh at them for things that they wouldn’t find funny if it happened to someone they liked.\nFor example, is it funny when people go bankrupt? No. Would it be funny if someone like Andrew Tate went bankrupt after boasting about Bugattis and all of his mass wealth? Yes. This doesn’t mean people who would make fun of him for that are making fun of poverty or all people who lose their livelihoods, it would just be funny if it happened to that particular person. \nIn the same way, the idea that Tate does all the douchey, over the top macho things that he does in order to compensate for having a small penis is funny, whilst it not being funny to make fun of every person who has a small penis.",
">\n\nSubstitute fat. Is that ok?",
">\n\nDepends on what the fat person is doing. If the person is minding their own business then no, if the fat person is attacking other people’s appearances then yeah go for it.",
">\n\nInteresting take. Might want to play with that a bit. A lot of situations where your reasoning falls apart.",
">\n\nPeople insulted Trump for being fat when he tried to say he was like the most fit person ever. People make fun of Elon Musk's body. You can make the same type of insult to two different people and it come off two different ways. \nWhen you make your identity or argument around something it opens up certain insults and comebacks. \nTate's whole thing is trying to act like this \"alpha male\" when in reality he's a sex trafficking weirdo who pays women to hang out with him. It's totally fine to insult him with a childish insult. \nI also find that people worried or mad about this don't actually care about body image issues. They just want a gotcha moment for people. Because many would have shitty takes about fat people or whine about pc culture.",
">\n\nWhen you call some MF that doesn't necessarily mean you are a MF... I'm not saying it's okay to say abusing words but we still do use them.\nI don't think she said it in literal terms, it was completely literary. Also she only said it cause it was Tate who she said it to. Also if a woman has small tits and someone said to someone else that they have small tits energy, I don't think one who actually has small tits would mind it, cause she is not involved and it's kinda perfect way of irritating Tate.. cause he really cares about these things. \nWhen it comes to increasing the insecurity of someone who actually has small D and is insecure about it... She couldn't think so far cause all she wanted was to irritate Tate and she was successful",
">\n\nI don't think it even irritated him if that was her goal but definitely helped him with popularity. It just proves what he says people think of insecure men, it just moves them to him and he gains more influence. It was an ignorant reply in poor taste. Someone with much following and influence as Greta shouldn't be as irresponsible and the followers shouldn't be having to do mental gymnastics to defend her instead of seeing it as it is: body shaming against men.",
">\n\nIs this some kind of weird meta-game? Are Andrew Tate fans pretending to actually be offended by this stupid insult to prove a point? Does anybody actually think her retort was any sharper than a brick wrapped in a wet blanket?\nWhat is going on here?!",
">\n\n\nWhat is going on here?!\n\nAndrew Tate fans have a lot of small dick energy. That's whats going on.",
">\n\nWhy are people not allowed dislike tate (he's an absolute idiot and a grifter) and also to criticize obvious body shaming from a supposed progressive? If Biden started talking about \"N*gger energy\" criticizing Kanye for antisemitism, would that be ok in your eyes? Would you say that a black guy who doesn't like that must be an angry Kanye fan? Or is it disgustingly offensive towards all African Americans to use that type of language no matter what?",
">\n\nBecause it suits their narrative to frame it as if people are just defending tate. It's easier than just actually defending body shaming. Done deal.",
">\n\nI think Greta used that phrase not because she actually believes or wants to promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior, but because people like Andrew Tate believe and promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior. If Andrew Tate gets hurt because Greta says he has small dick energy, then maybe -- just maybe, with the tiniest bit of introspection -- he'll come to realize how hateful some of his language is.\nBullies like Andrew Tate don't really respond to logic or pleas for sympathy. The only way to maybe make them understand the hurt they cause is to inflict it on them, because they don't care about anyone but themselves. \nSo instead of putting the cart before the horse and blaming Greta for using an offensive phrase as an argumentative tactic, maybe blame the people who use the phrase to actually demean people.",
">\n\nCan we substitute fat instead and be justified?",
">\n\nYes people did that with Trump when he claimed to be the fittest person ever basically. If someone has a habit of insulting people a certain way or making certain claims then they open themselves up to specific insults. \nSometimes we'd find those insults not tasteful if said to other people. But I feel like most people equating this to fat insults don't actually care about fat people. A lot of people would also be like oh things are getting too pc or soft or woke when it comes to body positivity towards fat people. So for me it's hard to buy this line of reasoning as being truly valid or caring.",
">\n\nNo one said it has to be authentic caring. This sub is for exploring the intellectual arguments. Your perception of how authentic someone’s feelings towards fat people is basically irrelevant. Argue the point or don’t. Passing your authenticity test is a wierd standard to try to argue for.",
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">\n\nYes, making insults is offensive. That's the point.\nInsults that reference a body part are also offensive to people who are insecure about that body part. That's also kinda obvious.\nWhat do you want your mind changed about here? I'm unclear about what you think can be discussed about an insult meant to be insulting. Are you arguing that this insult is especially wrong in some way?\nHow is this not just you soapboxing?",
">\n\nThere's a reason as a society we don't use insults like \"retard\". This is in the same vein. You're attributing a negative thing with a man having a small penis. This is harmful as it perpetuates the stigma surrounding penis size which is outside ones control. Essentially it degrades a group of people who have nothing to do with it. OP wants to know whether or not this is reconciled. Reading the comments... It has not been. \nMaking gendered insults doesn't bother me truthfully but I can understand the frustration OP is expressing because were it to be a man making some edgy reference to a woman's lady parts being inadequate as a way to demean them then everyone would be outraged as opposed to cheering it on.",
">\n\nUsing “small dick” as an insult, or “loose pussy” isn’t really offensive unless you are insecure about the physical viability of your reproductive organs. \nBut, that doesn’t make it funny. It’s a really juvenile and uncreative way of ridiculing someone.",
">\n\nInsecure women are offended when they're fat shamed.\nIt's still body shaming.\nIt's still wrong.",
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">\n\nGuy randomly decides to flex on her by saying I HAVE CARS AND I LIKE TO GO VROOOOM. It's like when Piers decides that it's absolutely important to eat meat in front of vegans. It's not about penis size. It's just that smalldickenergy is a perfect explanation of why would someone decide to behave like this.",
">\n\nShe is 19. Maybe in a few years she will have more mature insults. It’s a lot of pressure to be put on someone so young to also say the perfect thing all the time",
">\n\nUnder nearly all circumstances, I agree with you.\nHowever, for a lot of people who have built a cult of personality around any given ideal, insults of the inoffensive type are completely commonplace. All they have to do is fend off one or two instances of this PG rated attacks, strawman them, call them snowflakes, and their following is bolstered and enhanced. Instead of having any negative effect, it becomes part of their inherent power.\nSometimes if you want to rattle a cult leader you have to hit with precision their most critical weakness and watch them implode. The fact that Tate is squirming so hard and doing everything he can to reclaim some of his dignity after Greta's clapback means that she has his number. Great isn't saying that having a small dick is bad, but knowing that Tate's entire personality is built about being an alpha male and that calling into question the size of his member will hurt him the most is what she was after. \nOf course, it wasn't classy and could be offensive to some. But as the saying goes, sometimes you have to fight fire with fire.",
">\n\nReally is he squirming? \nHe's rich he's popular and now he's gotten someone he disagrees with to repeat his ideology and platform spreading it to a wider audience. \nI'd argue he's happy for the attention and popularity that she's given to him now and enjoying the increased sales in his business as more men who feel marginalized and left out join him seeing this hypocrisy playing out. Not to mention all the political players( internationally) who were against climate action seeing all this and aligning themselves appropriately, possibly propping him up and making him something more than what he actually is- An ignorant troll. \nEngage with a troll and you only give them more power. The tweet was dumb and people should know better.\nEdit: spacing",
">\n\nI'm not commenting on whether or not his fans will like him more or if the controversy will inadvertently grant him a wider audience. \nI'm commenting that Greta knew exactly where and how to hit him the hardest. Yes, he is definitely squirming. He has scrambled out half a dozen prepubescent \"I know you are but what am I\" tweets. Then he went and made the absolute cringiest response video. He's incensed by being talked down to by Greta and is overcompensating. \nDid her tweet have any net positive effect on society? No. Did it ruffle Tate's feathers and make his blood boil? Yea. Would he have even cared if she called him a misogynistic prick? Absolutely not. He would have just told her to sit down and shut up, that misogyny is made up by inferior women blah blah blah...\nInstead, his insecurities are eating him alive.",
">\n\nWhy even respond and give him attention that he so desperately craves? And why body shame men in the process? \nIf she didn't have a better insult she could have just went on with her life instead of helping him grow. Using \"small dick energy\" as an insult means implicitly we agree that people with small penises are inferior and undesirable. That's basically what Tate is on about ( Toxic masculinity). And by laughing at her tweet we all reinforce that perception. Do you get that? \nSick of double standards and hypocrisy. At least people should have the courage to own up and acknowledge it then move on instead of doubling down and performing mental gymnastics to justify an obvious case of body shaming.\nI agree with you on one thing that the net effect on society because of this tweet exchange is negative and only serves the people who Greta and her followers hate.",
">\n\nI think you are missing what I am saying. I fully agree that it wasn't necessary nor was it the right thing for Greta to do. I also agree that it just gives him attention and was overall a useless venture other for the entertainment of Tate haters.\nOP asked why it is okay. I stated that it isn't okay but that I understand why Greta took that road rather than the suggested non-offensive approach. It is because he's immune to it. What he isn't immune to is his masculinity and ego being questioned. What is the point of the Wolf continuing to blow on the brick house? None. To get to the scared little piggies inside he needs a jackhammer. \nAnd it worked exactly how she planned it to. He was rattled and anyone who hates Tate is amused. \nNot saying it's the right thing to do, nor do I want anyone to feel ashamed of the size of their penis.",
">\n\nOk.. thanks for elaborating on that. I misunderstood your comment as a disagreement and engaged to try and change your mind but seems we share the same view.",
">\n\nYou do not know what Greta is \"fully aware\" of. She is referring to character and behaviour, why are you taking this personally? She isn't speaking to you, hasn't seen you, doesn't know you. I don't know why you are externalizing your issue like this and waving it around in public, is it our responsibility to fix this for you?\nShe was just making a tiny joke. Relax. smalldickenergy @ getalife .com is hilarious.",
">\n\nAside from everything else, it's men who started the 'big dick energy' idiocy so to then complain when someone uses their own stupidity against them...",
">\n\nYeah because men are a monolith and we all meet in a room and know each other smh.",
">\n\nThey’re saying it’s offensive to more than just Andrew Tate",
">\n\nYeah but again, ISN'T THE PURPOSE",
">\n\nWhat do you mean again? You didn’t say that before. And why does the purpose matter? You can do a bad thing without meaning to.",
">\n\nI meant to say isn't that the purpose lol mb",
">\n\nOh lol I probably should have realized that. But I think the point of the insult was to offend Andrew Tate.",
">\n\nFair. Trying to not say anything about him one way or another so I don't get downvoted to hell.",
">\n\nGreta lost that argument. She literally has like a hundred things Tate has said and done she could attack. Easy target... The one thing she chose to do is to body shame the man. It's just name calling. It's not a refutation of Tate. If anything it makes her sound stupid for her inability to come up with a refutation.",
">\n\nExactly. But people are just cheering her on and laughing along without grasping the nuance of the situation.",
">\n\nI think you are kinda missing the point. People know it offensive. The issue is that they don't care.",
">\n\nPeople used to make fun of small tits all the time. Remember the 90s? Remember the itty bitty titty committee? I don't know if that's a thing any more, but skinny women with no butts are definitely not seen as attractive. It's not fair. It's not their fault. People need to stop shaming themselves and eachother, and accept all bodies. Until then, \"small dick energy\" won't cease to be an insult. I guess the difference is people are sort of \"punching up\" since it's always been people with dicks who have the power in this world. I've never heard a dude say that another dude has \"small dick energy.\" It's always a woman saying that. Either way I think it's dumb but I get it. I've always thought \"Karen\" was a dumb insult too. Not someone's fault they were named Karen, LOL.",
">\n\nAndrew insulted her. He was asking for this insult. She was totally in the right. She wasn’t trying to shame anyone else. You’re asking for this insult too.",
">\n\nIsn't it more offensive for small pp folk, that there is a guy who base his entire existence on top of an argument that being an alpha, prime male is the most important thing in the world, and you need to be a testosterone bomb gorilla to have any kind of value. Isn't that argument disregards small dick guys in the first place?",
">\n\nAnd Greta just reinforced it with her reply. Do you see the problem now?\nEdit:replaced \"comment\" with \"reply\"",
">\n\nI believe I've already made a statement about what the problem is.",
">\n\nThen do you understand why Greta's reply is offensive and playing into Andrew Tate's hands?",
">\n\nLol this is twitter. There is no playing into each other's hands. Get outside.",
">\n\nOh look. Greta is human. Someone who spent a lot of her growing up time trying to educate people.\nIf she was in a bar and some doofus made a pass, she's just asserting herself. Age and context. Good on her.",
">\n\nIt is actually been studied. Men with small penises actually do have less energy- testosterone or something.",
">\n\nBeing offended by anything is each person's individual choice. If something is offensive to you, then simply choose to not be offended by it. It's truly that simple.",
">\n\nSo there is no such thing as hate speech?",
">\n\nNo, I didn't say that. Someone can certainly say something to someone that they hate with words that they feel will harm them mentally. That is \"hate speech\". The point I was trying to make is that we all as individuals have the choice to react to whatever someone says in whatever way we choose to react. If I feel offended by something that someone is saying, it is my choice to be offended by it.",
">\n\nI pretty much agree, but now we come to who decides. Does the person doing the talking decide whether it is hate speech? Or the person being talked at?",
">\n\nThere is no decision. The person who is talking thinks that what they are saying is not hateful, or they do. The person being talked at thinks that what the other person is saying is hateful, or they don't. The point is that it only matters if you make it matter to you. For example, if I say you are the dumbest person on earth, am I committing the crime of hate speech? Are you the dumbest person on earth? Probably not. But maybe I believe that you are. Does that make it true? If so, then it's not hate speech it's the truth...to me. If you, personally, believe that you are not the dumbest person on earth, then why would you concern yourself with what my dumbass has to say? To you, I'm the dumbest person on earth. I hope I'm getting my point across here.",
">\n\nSo we agree then? No laws regarding hate speech at all. You just ignore it and move on.",
">\n\nYes, sir.",
">\n\nYup",
">\n\nWhat if I say that I am offended that you are offended that you say \"small dick energy\" is offensive to men that are insecure about their size? Say I'm a man with a huge, massive dong. Say it's been a huge issue for me all my life. Let's say, hypothetically, that I am hugely insecure about the massive size of my dong and it's given me problems all my life. Every time I, hypothetically, go for a jog it's constantly flopping all over the place chaffing up my leg. Every time I have sex it's always this huge issue and only like half of the thing can go in before the receiver is like \"oh my god, stop, that's too much!\" Every time I receive oral sex, anything more than an inch beyond the tip causes a gag reflex. Does that sound exciting to you? Here you are bragging about your completely normal sized penis and all your normal sized penis sex and here this hypothetical person with a huge massive dong has all these issues. I can see how a hypothetical person with this debilitating issue would take offense that you take offense.",
">\n\nShe's an edgelord",
">\n\nreddit",
">\n\nSounds like a skill issue",
">\n\nDo you really get that offended? It's not like males themselves haven't sexualized females and their bodies and have said even worse and more common things about them? But we get offended over sum small? pun intended",
">\n\n“Some males have sexualized females therefore it’s fine for society to make fun of penis size.”",
">\n\nSociety? I don't see everyone (which represents society) doing it 😂 maybe you are focusing too much on negativity and that's all you see",
">\n\nSaying “small dick energy” is inherently a negative thing because it’s an insult. It also implies that there’s something bad about less endowed people because Tate is being compared to that demographic. \nWhen I say society, I mean that a decent percentage of people have “____ dick energy” built into their vocabulary to the point where the meaning of these terms is widely agreed on and it loses it’s direct connection to the penis. This doesn’t mean that the term is appropriate to use though since it originated from actual body shaming.",
">\n\nBattle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.",
">\n\nI think you should consider the situation at hand and less the use of insults as an absolute \nAndrew Tate absolutely deserves it",
">\n\nthe post its about the insult. \n\"Yeah I called this person a N... but lets focus on how bad that person is!!\"\nThe insult not only its very inflammatory (shows patriarcal estigmas,Its body shaming, reinforces toxic masculinity)\nIts also an extremely weak answer, its a groundless ad hominem. I would dare to argue the insult talks more about breta and his internalized toxic patriarcal estigmas than anything against tate.",
">\n\nGreta didn't start this. He was harassing her.",
">\n\n\"He started it\" -That's a toddler's excuse lmao",
">\n\nSo, in your opinion, Greta would have insulted him whether he had harassed her first, or not?",
">\n\nHer insulting him isn't the problem here. Its how she insulted him that's problematic.",
">\n\nWell, if he didn't want to be insulted, he could've done pretty much anything else with his time. I love the way you think people should be able to gatekeep how other people should hurt the feelings of people who are harassing them.",
">\n\nI'm not defending him or saying his feelings are hurt or that he doesn't deserve the insult. You're completely missing the point of this post and what we've been discussing. \n\"Body shaming is acceptable when it's directed at people we don't like\"- this is the hypocrisy that's being pointed out. It's not about who's better Tate or Greta but it's the bigger issue of shaming men's insecurities without any regard to their mental health. Do you get it now?",
">\n\nI think I do. It hadn't occurred to me that you might have a small penis. My apologies. Perhaps just as Greta Thurnberg travels the world as an advocate for awareness of Climate Change, you can break down the stereotype that people with small penises have energy. You should probably do as little as possible, though, since you don't want to be accused of having \"energy.\"",
">\n\nWasted my time replying after your \"he started it\" comment smh. Toddler mentality gugu gaga talk to me after you understand the issue.\nEdit: issue",
">\n\nI'm sorry about your peepee. But you have taught me not to trust stereotypes. And learning is fundamental.",
">\n\nI almost forgot. Please don't use the word toddler. It's offensive to small children.",
">\n\nFirst of all \"small dick energy\" shames the energy, not the small dick. It shames the fact to be insecure by your dick size (which is a metaphor for being insecure about your masculinity in general) and overcompensate by doing big manly stuff. It doesn't shame the fact to have a small dick.\nYou can argue that it is as bad, but it's important to understand that.",
">\n\nDon't be a cunt mate.",
">\n\nTechnically yes its body shaming but it's not that big a deal I think",
">\n\nIt has more to do with how they're acting rather than actual anatomy size.",
">\n\ncouple things: small dicks is one of the things about men that men tend to care about to an obsessive degree, that women do to a way lesser degree but pretend to, because men typically like to have a very braggadocious and obnoxious attitude about everything. this tate guy is that to the nth degree. so i mean if anyone deserves being called \"SDE\" its this tate guy \nsecond thing is that people who genuinely do have small dicks don't own that they have what they do; they lie about it. people who really do own that they have small dicks aren't made fun of for having them, because its not funny; the whole point is that you're lying about it and pretending like you're some big shot stud asshole, when you're not. if you own that you have a small dick, then ironically, you don't have \"SDE\"; you own what you have, you're not overcompensating and pretending to be something you're not. \nso if greta thunburg was to call, say, howard stern \"SDE\", a dude who owns that he has a small dick and makes fun of himself for it, then it wouldn't be funny. and howard stern even IS a braggadocious asshole. andrew tate is just wayyyyy more of one, and he pretend like he's god's gift to women. \nin general when it comes to \"oh poor men won't anybody think of the men\" i just cringe. i'm not the most liberal guy. but conservative guys just reappropriating the oppression olympics self-victimization shit and applying it to themselves is just pathetic.",
">\n\nSmall dick guy here... I always felt like guys like Howard Stern were compensating for it by self-loathing comedy. That's a big thing comedians do in general, and so to me it's always hard to say a guy truly doesn't care about it just because he's joking about it. On the other hand, maybe I'm just projecting, because I'll poke fun at my tiny pecker and not really care if someone makes fun of me for it, but it also does truly bother me a little bit when I hear things like, \"Oh that guy is an asshole, he must be mad because he has a tiny dick.\" Like... As if all us small guys are just furious that we aren't gonna win the dick-measuring contest that we let it affect our daily lives. It's a matter of extremes I think. I'm sure there's some guys with small ones that genuinely don't give a single fuck, and others who let it influence their entire lives, but I think most men with a small wang living in a society which implies that's a bad thing are going to end up somewhere in the middle of the scale.\nThe people I really feel bad for are the young people. Growing up with a small dick is a million times harder than being an adult with one. For the most part, nobody really cares if you're a grown man that's small, but when you're a teenager you feel like everybody cares. I had a really hard time wanting to pursue girls because of it, always worried about what their reaction would be, is they'd tell their girlfriends and it would get back to the other guys, etc. And that DOES happen... I remember being at the lunch table and someone saying, 'Did you hear Mike's dick is only x inches?\" and I'd be sitting there like, an inch shorter than Mike and pretending that I found it as funny as everyone else around the table. It didn't really hit me until I was much older that I probably wasn't the only one at the table doing that. Plus I always thought it was weird like, at least that was evidence \"Mike\" was getting some, why should he care if it was small? It wasn't until I got over it and had a few flings and girlfriends that I realized it made such a little difference (pun intended) than what I had built it up to in my mind.\nSo I mean... Yeah, I think some guys do truly have small dick energy, but all that means is they're insecure and I think it kind of sucks that people don't think about the feelings of people who had no part of the fight who get their feelings hurt as collateral damage, and that somehow just because of the douche the insult was leveled at we go, \"Haha you feel insecure about your body!\"\nOne thing it makes me think about that I'm guilty of is calling guys closet-cases. Yeah, I am just trying to point out they're overcompensating about things because they are ashamed of their sexuality, but I don't really take a pause and think, \"Wow, I bet that makes the people actually in the closet feel like shit.\" In some ways, I think it's even worse than just simple body shaming that as a society we're going around making fun of people for issues that could very well be deep seeded mental health issues, or could become so.",
">\n\nidk i just think that the only people being accused of having small dicks are people who are so obnoxious that it feels like they're compensating, like this guy. so sure its \"body shaming\", but a) body shaming is just something that happens that idk if we can ever really do anything about, because human beings value different body parts differently, and b) its only really shaming people because of their behavior, not their bodies. its shaming their behavior, by implying something about their bodies that would be embarrassing particularly for a person who is displaying this behavior, like tate does, because somebody that obsessed with getting chicks would probably be extremely concerned if people thought he had a small dick.",
">\n\nYeah that's the thing though, for me it really bothers me more that people think I'm going around being an asshole, driving a huge truck or otherwise trying to compensate just because my dick is small. I can also see the idea that it implies that having a small dick is bad. I mean just the idea that you can 'accuse' anyone of it implies there's something wrong with it.\nI mean, to me that's easier to hand-wave the idea that there's something wrong with it since I've had enough lived experience to know it doesn't matter. However, I feel like there's probably a lot of people out there who haven't who are still really hung up on it, particularly young people. I know I already brought up homosexuality, but it reminds me of when people use to say you shouldn't call things gay because it puts a negative connotation on homosexuality. Speaking of that, there's that phrase, \"It gets better,\" that is used to comfort/console LGTBQ youths and I think it should be applied to body-image issues too--whether that be penis size, breast size, weight, whatever. Looking back on my life, it was definitely the insecurities that negatively effected me far more than my actual size ever did. \nBut yeah I also feel like there's kind of a lot of people just trying to paint this as her being caught being a hypocrite or something, and I agree with you that I especially hate it when men frame it as some kind of, \"Oh look, see, we're oppressed too. So much for feminism!\" kind of argument.\nI guess I just see both sides of it.",
">\n\nVery well put. I honestly think you have changed some minds today. Hopefully more people stop and think before blindly defending someone they look up to.",
">\n\nI have a small dick, it's fine",
">\n\nThat's the point.",
">\n\nNo shit.",
">\n\n\"small dick energy\" isn't mocking someone for their penis size but for behaving in a way that they are compensating for insecurities and people like Tait measure their masculinity in \"I own cars\" is the epitome of trying to mask insecurities",
">\n\nI think the point about \"energy\" keeps being ignored. \nYou can have a small dick, but with thoughtfulness and confidence never have \"small dick energy\"\nYou can have a big schlong and be a needy jerkstore which gives you \"small dick energy\"\nAnd you can be like Andrew Tate and have a very small one and have \"small dick energy\" and be an absolute creepy, dumbass attention goblin.\nThe grand majority of people don't give a flip about the size of your dick. People with dicks care about the size of their own dick. It's the assumption that everyone cares as much as they do about their dick that's the real problem.",
">\n\nSo you agree the stereotype is false ..... and hurtful. If it's really an assumption as you say then people won't use \"tiny dick\" as an insult on people they don't like right? If no one really cares then there's no need to use it as an insult anyway right? Right??\nBut they do because it's socially acceptable to body shame men for some reason. Just see the tweet posts in other subs and their comments section laughing along, cheering her on and poking fun at men who have small penises and the stereotypes associated with such.",
">\n\nI don't know how old you are but like.\nSaying small dick energy actually has anything to do with the size of someone's dick is like culturally irrelevant.\nLike you can have a tiny dick and still have big dick energy and you can have a big dick and have small dick energy.\nBecause, Most people who need to project their insecurities are insulted by the size assumption.\nIt's more about the idea of insulting someone by saying they're just trying to project masculinity. This is the same reason why being in small dick energy is really used in all circles and not just as a male centered insult.\nLike buck and stud lesbians love the fuck out of that term.\nPeople with a small dick who get insulted by the general idea of small dick energy as an insult need to deal with their own insecurities.\nI'd much rather have a small dick than small dick energy.",
">\n\nIf the size is irrelevant, why associate being small with only negative traits and being big with only positive traits? You can't, and you could just say that being smaller makes you a bad person. It would be more honest. I'm sure people dealing with insecurities appreciate being associated with a human trafficker...",
">\n\nLike I said I have a small dick and would rather have a small dick than have small dick energy.\nThe whole point is that the only people who care about size are people who are easily insecure.\nIt's because they care the people making the jokes know that size doesn't matter and they're not making fun of people who have small dicks they're making fun of the people who care so much about what the size of their dick is that an influences their entire self worth.",
">\n\nThere are plenty of secure people who care about size. They are big, so they don't get made fun of. The people who make the jokes, whether they realize it or not, imply that small = bad person. It reinforces to insecure people that they are wrong for something that they have no control over and that people around them, including loved ones, would think lesser of them, because they probably would if they are making these jokes.",
">\n\nBro I'm not big and I'm pointing out that not everyone who has a small dick is insulted by the idea of small dick energy this really seems to be a you problem.",
">\n\nI'M pointing out that not everyone who is offended is a bad person, but people, like anyone defending this phrase, are just going to pretend to not understand because this is something people don't care if you make fun of, so this is just a waste of time.",
">\n\n\nNot everyone who is offended is a bad person\n\nYeah, they're just wrongly offended because they assume the intent of something from a community they are not a part of. This is happening more and more because of how the internet is working.\nIs like \"Okay Boomer\" wasn't actually about being born a boomer but about the Mindset of the generation.\nIt's the YOU and the other people offended who refuse to understand that \"Small Dick Energy\" isn't connected to you're actual dick size.",
">\n\nIf it's not connected to the dick size then why even phrase it as \"Small Dick Energy\"??\nYou're trying to alter the meaning of words to fit your narrative instead of seeing it for what it is: body shaming against men. Even in your interpretation of the phrase saying it's a mindset it's still wrong that it's equating a shitty mindset with people who have small dicks. Why is this so hard to understand?",
">\n\nBecause it's only the people who are so insecure about their dick size who would get offended by the thought of small dick energy being an insult so it's kind of like self-selecting.\nIt's like when women say I hate men if you're not a man who shitty to women you're not going to get offended by people saying that.\nWe're not making fun of people for having small dicks we're making fun of people for acting like anyone in society cares about the size of your dick.",
">\n\nYour first paragraph basically says that body shaming isn't offensive or hurtful because only people who are insecure will get hurt and offended. That's just wrong. Why? Because it's unnecessarily cruel and just pokes fun at people who are insecure and struggling with their body image. That's punching down on people and shaming them for no reason. \"Small dick energy\" jokes are a form of toxic masculinity and on brand with Tate but now it's legitimised by Greta who's supposed to be progressive and not hateful against people with insecurities. You see the hypocrisy and inconsistency here?\nI don't want to keep repeating myself. Give the top comments a good read and you'll get it.",
">\n\nDoubling down on this saying that also \"Big Dick Energy\" it's an objectification that implicitly disqualifies men who are not allegedly big. But since it's not aimed at women it's totally irrelevant in body shaming debate: you know, fat women must be accepted and regarded as beautiful, but short men? No thanks.",
">\n\nI think context is really important here. Since Andrew Tate is a one-dimensional moron who deserves to feel bad about himself, we know that he values a very surface-level perception of masculinity that is reflected by penis size.\nGenerally, I think making fun of small dicks is pointless, because a person's worth isn't determined by that. But if someone is loudly projecting that they think their worth is determined by that and also makes a living putting down an entire gender, it's fair game IMO.",
">\n\nShe basically proved the \"moron\"s point. Do you understand this? \nHe spews BS that masculinity is reflected by penis size ( having a small penis is shameful) and she basically goes on to insult him with that exact premise. Reinforcing the insult and body shaming people who have nothing to do with him or her. He could be vile and deserving of insults but the way he's insulted reinforces toxic masculinity, which is his entire freaking brand. \nHe has gained more attention and probably more followers now as men who feel left out and laughed at join his ranks making him richer and more influential than he deserves. It was a dumb reply on her part and should be criticized for such, not cheered on.",
">\n\nThis post has small dick energy",
">\n\n?, Andrew tate entire brand its that you should be a \"big dick\" male alpha testosterone and shit. his answer its entirely in his character.\nGreat just reinforced his behaviour. <- thats the wrong part about insulting someone who is entire view promotes toxic masculinity by adding more fuel to that belief. in other words, reinforcing that there is something wrong with you if you have a small penis.",
">\n\nHe literally used it as an insult. If OP has an issue with small dick energy, specifically saying small dick is just even worse. \nAs such if Greta is bad, Tate was even worse.",
">\n\nthe thing is, for tate this is expected?. from greta its very disastrous for what she preaches.",
">\n\nSo if a random person starts talking shit to you, you are required to take the high road?\nThis is the same shit as \"minorities must behave with grace when dealing with racists and bigots\". No thanks. Greta is better because of it.",
">\n\nIf you are an activist you should act in what you believe don´t you?\nOtherwise you are not interested in your ideologies and beliefs, but on being right, that's narcissism.",
">\n\nShes an activist for...climate change. She when was she required to bigger person against assholes?\nWhen did Greta vow to be the pillar of everything good?",
">\n\nShe is a progressive public figure that millions of youth look up to.. that's why her reply is being criticized for being hypocritical. \nProgressives are vocal against body shaming except when it's targeted at someone they don't like, then it's all fair game. This is the hypocrisy that's being pointed out. The inconsistency. \nIdk if she ever vowed to be a pillar of everything good but when she uses language that makes fun of people's insecurities and reinforcing a toxic masculine stereotype( which is Tate's branding btw), then I think it's fair that she gets criticized for it.",
">\n\nSure, you can have you opinion. You can criticize whoever you want. But your opinion isn't the universal standard and I'm not here to change my view. \nBest of luck bud."
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"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult.",
">\n\nIt's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh.",
">\n\nHonestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV",
">\n\nPeople can make mistakes and this was one of them.. so we can all just criticize her reply fairly and move on. No need for acute mental gymnastics to defend her as this comments section is showing lmao.",
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">\n\nI don't think anyone is arguing it's not offensive. I'm pretty sure she was trying to offend insecure men. Apparently with great success.",
">\n\nShe was trying to offend men who were insecure about their body image?\nHow is that not body shaming?",
">\n\nIt is, but we playing the avoidance and rationalization game",
">\n\nbecause women invented \"small dick energy\"\nharsh, sad. but we go jim🗿",
">\n\nOP never mentioned women tho. Post is strictly about why it's offensive. Do you disagree that it's not offensive or you think it's a trivial matter to make fun of that men's mental health doesn't matter as much?",
">\n\nThe female equivalent is\n\"Loose Pussy Energy\".\nThe typical man-hate hypocrisy commonly going around is beyond obvious. And it is an attack on All men and boys not just some.",
">\n\nNot a disagreement per se, but also worth noting that it’s transphobic. Which is to say, it insults all men by reinforcing patriarchy and punching down to two groups of men.",
">\n\nShe said small dick energy. Not that he had a small dick (though, come on). She used that phrase BECAUSE it's Tate. She's not a moron.\nHe is, as evidenced by his life to this point and his two responses to Thunberg, which were epically pathetic, is a moron and didn't seem to get it, though he doesn't get a lot.",
">\n\nThis is worse than saying he has a small dick, because how would she know, and that would just be dismissed as stupid.\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\nI can't understand the mental gymnastics some people are doing to try and say this isn't body shaming.",
">\n\n\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\n\nI mean yeah -- kind of like how pussy is an insult denoting cowardice, cunt is an insult meaning basically, terrible, etc., \nShe used that on purpose. Are you making CMV every time you see someone calling someone else a pussy?",
">\n\nPussy is kind of already known to be a shitty gendered insult so it doesn't need a CMV. In this case, Greta's gendered \"having a small penis is bad\" tweet is massively amplified, reached r/all on a shitload of subs, etc. so some discussion about whether or not that is cool is warranted",
">\n\nSmall dick energy isn’t about having a small dick tho. It’s a reflection of an attitude that men who are offensive, aggressive, nasty to people are overcompensating for their insecurities. A small dick doesn’t mean you won’t be able to find a partner or that you’re any less of a man. Being a downright trash bag of a human to others, like in this instance where an internet edgelord is cyber bullying a teenager on the internet who is fighting for the survival of our planet/humanity is an example of this trash behavior, is more of a determining factor. \nYou can also have a small dick but have big dick energy, as it’s reflective of who you are as a person. It’s an attitude. It’s who you choose to be to yourself and others. Hell, there’s women who use the term that they have big dick energy and I can tell you those women’s dicks are none existent so therefore size isn’t a thing. \nNo one should be made fun of for something they had no control over. The worth of a man is not tied to the size of his penis. Although, toxic masculinity and shallow people will tell you different. They say the same for disabled people, fat people etc. There’s plenty of people who are not “conventional standards of beauty” which is the majority of us, that lead happy, healthy relationships. Those relationships start with yourself and understanding your worth as a person isn’t tied to what you look like or how big your junk is. \nThe point is if you choose to be a trash person like Tate, where your self worth is tied into how cruel/offensive you can be to other people, don’t be mad if people call you out for that trashy attitude. Your post definitely reeks of “men are the true victims” when clearly you didn’t seem to have a problem with a grown man cyber bullying a teenager.",
">\n\nI like how you imply that OP is a fan of a literal human trafficker because they point out that a body-shaming insult is body-shaming. Do you understand why associating a trait of someone's body with negative personality traits is bad?",
">\n\nNo because people like this always have exceptions that allow them to use the things they complain about. Cognitive gymnastics allows them to recognise shaming women and people of colour is bad, because society will eat them otherwise, but when someone shows up who deserves a bit of a roasting all of their social etiquette rules go out the window and the excuses come out as to why in this context it doesn't count.\n\"Ahh no, here it is a reflection of an attitude\" blah blah 3 paragraphs later and we've clouded over the simple fact that body shaming is body shaming and harms people you weren't intending to insult.",
">\n\nPeople like this? You’re assuming things about me because I am a character in your mind not a real person. I am not a monolith. We should not be body shaming people. I am explaining the other side of this issue and why people use these terms. You never asked if I use these same terms in my life. You assumed I do. I don’t. You didn’t even bother to read my response because if you did you would have realized this.",
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">\n\nYou can have smol pp but big pp energy and vice versa",
">\n\nSo why is the phrase small dick energy if it has nothing to do with having a small dick?",
">\n\nIdk man, I just work here.",
">\n\nYou know why. Lol cause small dick is associated with bad. And by insulting dicks you use this knowledge to offend, at the cost of body shaming people. \nStop feigning dumb just to avoid the reasoning lol",
">\n\nI can see how it would be offensive, and I wouldn’t use it myself. I feel like the phrase refers more to how someone acts as opposed to how they are endowed. And how it’s behavior and actions that make people think down of you not your penis.",
">\n\nPoint is that we, as a society, should encourage better insults that attack the comments of the person without necessarily having to equate it to something someone with a small dick.",
">\n\nWould you agree with me, that if Andrew clapped back with one of those that the internet would be up in arms about it?",
">\n\nYou mean the way that you are, here, on the internet, up in arms?",
">\n\nIm one person on reddit, theres no major backlash like there would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\nSee, what's happening here is that you are also looking at people who are \"one person on Reddit\" and pretending it's a major backlash. Andrew Tate says fucked up things about women all the time (in fact, it's kind of his whole schtick) and it's as much of a non-event as this is.",
">\n\nPlease link me to something fucked up hes said about women, and ill agree with you, two wrongs don't make a right.",
">\n\nHere's exhibit A.",
">\n\nSure I agree with you he has said fucked up stuff about women, it doesn't mean its okay to make a joke about small dick energy.\nDo you understand my point?",
">\n\nWe understand, it's just that your point is fucking stupid",
">\n\nYou have no idea what his point is, it's funny that people on this thread OP and others actually like Andrew Tate.\nIt proves that everyone is completely frothingly tribalistic with zero nuance.",
">\n\nIf someone is behaving insufferably, people are going to laugh at them for things that they wouldn’t find funny if it happened to someone they liked.\nFor example, is it funny when people go bankrupt? No. Would it be funny if someone like Andrew Tate went bankrupt after boasting about Bugattis and all of his mass wealth? Yes. This doesn’t mean people who would make fun of him for that are making fun of poverty or all people who lose their livelihoods, it would just be funny if it happened to that particular person. \nIn the same way, the idea that Tate does all the douchey, over the top macho things that he does in order to compensate for having a small penis is funny, whilst it not being funny to make fun of every person who has a small penis.",
">\n\nSubstitute fat. Is that ok?",
">\n\nDepends on what the fat person is doing. If the person is minding their own business then no, if the fat person is attacking other people’s appearances then yeah go for it.",
">\n\nInteresting take. Might want to play with that a bit. A lot of situations where your reasoning falls apart.",
">\n\nPeople insulted Trump for being fat when he tried to say he was like the most fit person ever. People make fun of Elon Musk's body. You can make the same type of insult to two different people and it come off two different ways. \nWhen you make your identity or argument around something it opens up certain insults and comebacks. \nTate's whole thing is trying to act like this \"alpha male\" when in reality he's a sex trafficking weirdo who pays women to hang out with him. It's totally fine to insult him with a childish insult. \nI also find that people worried or mad about this don't actually care about body image issues. They just want a gotcha moment for people. Because many would have shitty takes about fat people or whine about pc culture.",
">\n\nWhen you call some MF that doesn't necessarily mean you are a MF... I'm not saying it's okay to say abusing words but we still do use them.\nI don't think she said it in literal terms, it was completely literary. Also she only said it cause it was Tate who she said it to. Also if a woman has small tits and someone said to someone else that they have small tits energy, I don't think one who actually has small tits would mind it, cause she is not involved and it's kinda perfect way of irritating Tate.. cause he really cares about these things. \nWhen it comes to increasing the insecurity of someone who actually has small D and is insecure about it... She couldn't think so far cause all she wanted was to irritate Tate and she was successful",
">\n\nI don't think it even irritated him if that was her goal but definitely helped him with popularity. It just proves what he says people think of insecure men, it just moves them to him and he gains more influence. It was an ignorant reply in poor taste. Someone with much following and influence as Greta shouldn't be as irresponsible and the followers shouldn't be having to do mental gymnastics to defend her instead of seeing it as it is: body shaming against men.",
">\n\nIs this some kind of weird meta-game? Are Andrew Tate fans pretending to actually be offended by this stupid insult to prove a point? Does anybody actually think her retort was any sharper than a brick wrapped in a wet blanket?\nWhat is going on here?!",
">\n\n\nWhat is going on here?!\n\nAndrew Tate fans have a lot of small dick energy. That's whats going on.",
">\n\nWhy are people not allowed dislike tate (he's an absolute idiot and a grifter) and also to criticize obvious body shaming from a supposed progressive? If Biden started talking about \"N*gger energy\" criticizing Kanye for antisemitism, would that be ok in your eyes? Would you say that a black guy who doesn't like that must be an angry Kanye fan? Or is it disgustingly offensive towards all African Americans to use that type of language no matter what?",
">\n\nBecause it suits their narrative to frame it as if people are just defending tate. It's easier than just actually defending body shaming. Done deal.",
">\n\nI think Greta used that phrase not because she actually believes or wants to promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior, but because people like Andrew Tate believe and promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior. If Andrew Tate gets hurt because Greta says he has small dick energy, then maybe -- just maybe, with the tiniest bit of introspection -- he'll come to realize how hateful some of his language is.\nBullies like Andrew Tate don't really respond to logic or pleas for sympathy. The only way to maybe make them understand the hurt they cause is to inflict it on them, because they don't care about anyone but themselves. \nSo instead of putting the cart before the horse and blaming Greta for using an offensive phrase as an argumentative tactic, maybe blame the people who use the phrase to actually demean people.",
">\n\nCan we substitute fat instead and be justified?",
">\n\nYes people did that with Trump when he claimed to be the fittest person ever basically. If someone has a habit of insulting people a certain way or making certain claims then they open themselves up to specific insults. \nSometimes we'd find those insults not tasteful if said to other people. But I feel like most people equating this to fat insults don't actually care about fat people. A lot of people would also be like oh things are getting too pc or soft or woke when it comes to body positivity towards fat people. So for me it's hard to buy this line of reasoning as being truly valid or caring.",
">\n\nNo one said it has to be authentic caring. This sub is for exploring the intellectual arguments. Your perception of how authentic someone’s feelings towards fat people is basically irrelevant. Argue the point or don’t. Passing your authenticity test is a wierd standard to try to argue for.",
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">\n\nYes, making insults is offensive. That's the point.\nInsults that reference a body part are also offensive to people who are insecure about that body part. That's also kinda obvious.\nWhat do you want your mind changed about here? I'm unclear about what you think can be discussed about an insult meant to be insulting. Are you arguing that this insult is especially wrong in some way?\nHow is this not just you soapboxing?",
">\n\nThere's a reason as a society we don't use insults like \"retard\". This is in the same vein. You're attributing a negative thing with a man having a small penis. This is harmful as it perpetuates the stigma surrounding penis size which is outside ones control. Essentially it degrades a group of people who have nothing to do with it. OP wants to know whether or not this is reconciled. Reading the comments... It has not been. \nMaking gendered insults doesn't bother me truthfully but I can understand the frustration OP is expressing because were it to be a man making some edgy reference to a woman's lady parts being inadequate as a way to demean them then everyone would be outraged as opposed to cheering it on.",
">\n\nUsing “small dick” as an insult, or “loose pussy” isn’t really offensive unless you are insecure about the physical viability of your reproductive organs. \nBut, that doesn’t make it funny. It’s a really juvenile and uncreative way of ridiculing someone.",
">\n\nInsecure women are offended when they're fat shamed.\nIt's still body shaming.\nIt's still wrong.",
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">\n\nGuy randomly decides to flex on her by saying I HAVE CARS AND I LIKE TO GO VROOOOM. It's like when Piers decides that it's absolutely important to eat meat in front of vegans. It's not about penis size. It's just that smalldickenergy is a perfect explanation of why would someone decide to behave like this.",
">\n\nShe is 19. Maybe in a few years she will have more mature insults. It’s a lot of pressure to be put on someone so young to also say the perfect thing all the time",
">\n\nUnder nearly all circumstances, I agree with you.\nHowever, for a lot of people who have built a cult of personality around any given ideal, insults of the inoffensive type are completely commonplace. All they have to do is fend off one or two instances of this PG rated attacks, strawman them, call them snowflakes, and their following is bolstered and enhanced. Instead of having any negative effect, it becomes part of their inherent power.\nSometimes if you want to rattle a cult leader you have to hit with precision their most critical weakness and watch them implode. The fact that Tate is squirming so hard and doing everything he can to reclaim some of his dignity after Greta's clapback means that she has his number. Great isn't saying that having a small dick is bad, but knowing that Tate's entire personality is built about being an alpha male and that calling into question the size of his member will hurt him the most is what she was after. \nOf course, it wasn't classy and could be offensive to some. But as the saying goes, sometimes you have to fight fire with fire.",
">\n\nReally is he squirming? \nHe's rich he's popular and now he's gotten someone he disagrees with to repeat his ideology and platform spreading it to a wider audience. \nI'd argue he's happy for the attention and popularity that she's given to him now and enjoying the increased sales in his business as more men who feel marginalized and left out join him seeing this hypocrisy playing out. Not to mention all the political players( internationally) who were against climate action seeing all this and aligning themselves appropriately, possibly propping him up and making him something more than what he actually is- An ignorant troll. \nEngage with a troll and you only give them more power. The tweet was dumb and people should know better.\nEdit: spacing",
">\n\nI'm not commenting on whether or not his fans will like him more or if the controversy will inadvertently grant him a wider audience. \nI'm commenting that Greta knew exactly where and how to hit him the hardest. Yes, he is definitely squirming. He has scrambled out half a dozen prepubescent \"I know you are but what am I\" tweets. Then he went and made the absolute cringiest response video. He's incensed by being talked down to by Greta and is overcompensating. \nDid her tweet have any net positive effect on society? No. Did it ruffle Tate's feathers and make his blood boil? Yea. Would he have even cared if she called him a misogynistic prick? Absolutely not. He would have just told her to sit down and shut up, that misogyny is made up by inferior women blah blah blah...\nInstead, his insecurities are eating him alive.",
">\n\nWhy even respond and give him attention that he so desperately craves? And why body shame men in the process? \nIf she didn't have a better insult she could have just went on with her life instead of helping him grow. Using \"small dick energy\" as an insult means implicitly we agree that people with small penises are inferior and undesirable. That's basically what Tate is on about ( Toxic masculinity). And by laughing at her tweet we all reinforce that perception. Do you get that? \nSick of double standards and hypocrisy. At least people should have the courage to own up and acknowledge it then move on instead of doubling down and performing mental gymnastics to justify an obvious case of body shaming.\nI agree with you on one thing that the net effect on society because of this tweet exchange is negative and only serves the people who Greta and her followers hate.",
">\n\nI think you are missing what I am saying. I fully agree that it wasn't necessary nor was it the right thing for Greta to do. I also agree that it just gives him attention and was overall a useless venture other for the entertainment of Tate haters.\nOP asked why it is okay. I stated that it isn't okay but that I understand why Greta took that road rather than the suggested non-offensive approach. It is because he's immune to it. What he isn't immune to is his masculinity and ego being questioned. What is the point of the Wolf continuing to blow on the brick house? None. To get to the scared little piggies inside he needs a jackhammer. \nAnd it worked exactly how she planned it to. He was rattled and anyone who hates Tate is amused. \nNot saying it's the right thing to do, nor do I want anyone to feel ashamed of the size of their penis.",
">\n\nOk.. thanks for elaborating on that. I misunderstood your comment as a disagreement and engaged to try and change your mind but seems we share the same view.",
">\n\nYou do not know what Greta is \"fully aware\" of. She is referring to character and behaviour, why are you taking this personally? She isn't speaking to you, hasn't seen you, doesn't know you. I don't know why you are externalizing your issue like this and waving it around in public, is it our responsibility to fix this for you?\nShe was just making a tiny joke. Relax. smalldickenergy @ getalife .com is hilarious.",
">\n\nAside from everything else, it's men who started the 'big dick energy' idiocy so to then complain when someone uses their own stupidity against them...",
">\n\nYeah because men are a monolith and we all meet in a room and know each other smh.",
">\n\nThey’re saying it’s offensive to more than just Andrew Tate",
">\n\nYeah but again, ISN'T THE PURPOSE",
">\n\nWhat do you mean again? You didn’t say that before. And why does the purpose matter? You can do a bad thing without meaning to.",
">\n\nI meant to say isn't that the purpose lol mb",
">\n\nOh lol I probably should have realized that. But I think the point of the insult was to offend Andrew Tate.",
">\n\nFair. Trying to not say anything about him one way or another so I don't get downvoted to hell.",
">\n\nGreta lost that argument. She literally has like a hundred things Tate has said and done she could attack. Easy target... The one thing she chose to do is to body shame the man. It's just name calling. It's not a refutation of Tate. If anything it makes her sound stupid for her inability to come up with a refutation.",
">\n\nExactly. But people are just cheering her on and laughing along without grasping the nuance of the situation.",
">\n\nI think you are kinda missing the point. People know it offensive. The issue is that they don't care.",
">\n\nPeople used to make fun of small tits all the time. Remember the 90s? Remember the itty bitty titty committee? I don't know if that's a thing any more, but skinny women with no butts are definitely not seen as attractive. It's not fair. It's not their fault. People need to stop shaming themselves and eachother, and accept all bodies. Until then, \"small dick energy\" won't cease to be an insult. I guess the difference is people are sort of \"punching up\" since it's always been people with dicks who have the power in this world. I've never heard a dude say that another dude has \"small dick energy.\" It's always a woman saying that. Either way I think it's dumb but I get it. I've always thought \"Karen\" was a dumb insult too. Not someone's fault they were named Karen, LOL.",
">\n\nAndrew insulted her. He was asking for this insult. She was totally in the right. She wasn’t trying to shame anyone else. You’re asking for this insult too.",
">\n\nIsn't it more offensive for small pp folk, that there is a guy who base his entire existence on top of an argument that being an alpha, prime male is the most important thing in the world, and you need to be a testosterone bomb gorilla to have any kind of value. Isn't that argument disregards small dick guys in the first place?",
">\n\nAnd Greta just reinforced it with her reply. Do you see the problem now?\nEdit:replaced \"comment\" with \"reply\"",
">\n\nI believe I've already made a statement about what the problem is.",
">\n\nThen do you understand why Greta's reply is offensive and playing into Andrew Tate's hands?",
">\n\nLol this is twitter. There is no playing into each other's hands. Get outside.",
">\n\nOh look. Greta is human. Someone who spent a lot of her growing up time trying to educate people.\nIf she was in a bar and some doofus made a pass, she's just asserting herself. Age and context. Good on her.",
">\n\nIt is actually been studied. Men with small penises actually do have less energy- testosterone or something.",
">\n\nBeing offended by anything is each person's individual choice. If something is offensive to you, then simply choose to not be offended by it. It's truly that simple.",
">\n\nSo there is no such thing as hate speech?",
">\n\nNo, I didn't say that. Someone can certainly say something to someone that they hate with words that they feel will harm them mentally. That is \"hate speech\". The point I was trying to make is that we all as individuals have the choice to react to whatever someone says in whatever way we choose to react. If I feel offended by something that someone is saying, it is my choice to be offended by it.",
">\n\nI pretty much agree, but now we come to who decides. Does the person doing the talking decide whether it is hate speech? Or the person being talked at?",
">\n\nThere is no decision. The person who is talking thinks that what they are saying is not hateful, or they do. The person being talked at thinks that what the other person is saying is hateful, or they don't. The point is that it only matters if you make it matter to you. For example, if I say you are the dumbest person on earth, am I committing the crime of hate speech? Are you the dumbest person on earth? Probably not. But maybe I believe that you are. Does that make it true? If so, then it's not hate speech it's the truth...to me. If you, personally, believe that you are not the dumbest person on earth, then why would you concern yourself with what my dumbass has to say? To you, I'm the dumbest person on earth. I hope I'm getting my point across here.",
">\n\nSo we agree then? No laws regarding hate speech at all. You just ignore it and move on.",
">\n\nYes, sir.",
">\n\nYup",
">\n\nWhat if I say that I am offended that you are offended that you say \"small dick energy\" is offensive to men that are insecure about their size? Say I'm a man with a huge, massive dong. Say it's been a huge issue for me all my life. Let's say, hypothetically, that I am hugely insecure about the massive size of my dong and it's given me problems all my life. Every time I, hypothetically, go for a jog it's constantly flopping all over the place chaffing up my leg. Every time I have sex it's always this huge issue and only like half of the thing can go in before the receiver is like \"oh my god, stop, that's too much!\" Every time I receive oral sex, anything more than an inch beyond the tip causes a gag reflex. Does that sound exciting to you? Here you are bragging about your completely normal sized penis and all your normal sized penis sex and here this hypothetical person with a huge massive dong has all these issues. I can see how a hypothetical person with this debilitating issue would take offense that you take offense.",
">\n\nShe's an edgelord",
">\n\nreddit",
">\n\nSounds like a skill issue",
">\n\nDo you really get that offended? It's not like males themselves haven't sexualized females and their bodies and have said even worse and more common things about them? But we get offended over sum small? pun intended",
">\n\n“Some males have sexualized females therefore it’s fine for society to make fun of penis size.”",
">\n\nSociety? I don't see everyone (which represents society) doing it 😂 maybe you are focusing too much on negativity and that's all you see",
">\n\nSaying “small dick energy” is inherently a negative thing because it’s an insult. It also implies that there’s something bad about less endowed people because Tate is being compared to that demographic. \nWhen I say society, I mean that a decent percentage of people have “____ dick energy” built into their vocabulary to the point where the meaning of these terms is widely agreed on and it loses it’s direct connection to the penis. This doesn’t mean that the term is appropriate to use though since it originated from actual body shaming.",
">\n\nBattle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.",
">\n\nI think you should consider the situation at hand and less the use of insults as an absolute \nAndrew Tate absolutely deserves it",
">\n\nthe post its about the insult. \n\"Yeah I called this person a N... but lets focus on how bad that person is!!\"\nThe insult not only its very inflammatory (shows patriarcal estigmas,Its body shaming, reinforces toxic masculinity)\nIts also an extremely weak answer, its a groundless ad hominem. I would dare to argue the insult talks more about breta and his internalized toxic patriarcal estigmas than anything against tate.",
">\n\nGreta didn't start this. He was harassing her.",
">\n\n\"He started it\" -That's a toddler's excuse lmao",
">\n\nSo, in your opinion, Greta would have insulted him whether he had harassed her first, or not?",
">\n\nHer insulting him isn't the problem here. Its how she insulted him that's problematic.",
">\n\nWell, if he didn't want to be insulted, he could've done pretty much anything else with his time. I love the way you think people should be able to gatekeep how other people should hurt the feelings of people who are harassing them.",
">\n\nI'm not defending him or saying his feelings are hurt or that he doesn't deserve the insult. You're completely missing the point of this post and what we've been discussing. \n\"Body shaming is acceptable when it's directed at people we don't like\"- this is the hypocrisy that's being pointed out. It's not about who's better Tate or Greta but it's the bigger issue of shaming men's insecurities without any regard to their mental health. Do you get it now?",
">\n\nI think I do. It hadn't occurred to me that you might have a small penis. My apologies. Perhaps just as Greta Thurnberg travels the world as an advocate for awareness of Climate Change, you can break down the stereotype that people with small penises have energy. You should probably do as little as possible, though, since you don't want to be accused of having \"energy.\"",
">\n\nWasted my time replying after your \"he started it\" comment smh. Toddler mentality gugu gaga talk to me after you understand the issue.\nEdit: issue",
">\n\nI'm sorry about your peepee. But you have taught me not to trust stereotypes. And learning is fundamental.",
">\n\nI almost forgot. Please don't use the word toddler. It's offensive to small children.",
">\n\nFirst of all \"small dick energy\" shames the energy, not the small dick. It shames the fact to be insecure by your dick size (which is a metaphor for being insecure about your masculinity in general) and overcompensate by doing big manly stuff. It doesn't shame the fact to have a small dick.\nYou can argue that it is as bad, but it's important to understand that.",
">\n\nDon't be a cunt mate.",
">\n\nTechnically yes its body shaming but it's not that big a deal I think",
">\n\nIt has more to do with how they're acting rather than actual anatomy size.",
">\n\ncouple things: small dicks is one of the things about men that men tend to care about to an obsessive degree, that women do to a way lesser degree but pretend to, because men typically like to have a very braggadocious and obnoxious attitude about everything. this tate guy is that to the nth degree. so i mean if anyone deserves being called \"SDE\" its this tate guy \nsecond thing is that people who genuinely do have small dicks don't own that they have what they do; they lie about it. people who really do own that they have small dicks aren't made fun of for having them, because its not funny; the whole point is that you're lying about it and pretending like you're some big shot stud asshole, when you're not. if you own that you have a small dick, then ironically, you don't have \"SDE\"; you own what you have, you're not overcompensating and pretending to be something you're not. \nso if greta thunburg was to call, say, howard stern \"SDE\", a dude who owns that he has a small dick and makes fun of himself for it, then it wouldn't be funny. and howard stern even IS a braggadocious asshole. andrew tate is just wayyyyy more of one, and he pretend like he's god's gift to women. \nin general when it comes to \"oh poor men won't anybody think of the men\" i just cringe. i'm not the most liberal guy. but conservative guys just reappropriating the oppression olympics self-victimization shit and applying it to themselves is just pathetic.",
">\n\nSmall dick guy here... I always felt like guys like Howard Stern were compensating for it by self-loathing comedy. That's a big thing comedians do in general, and so to me it's always hard to say a guy truly doesn't care about it just because he's joking about it. On the other hand, maybe I'm just projecting, because I'll poke fun at my tiny pecker and not really care if someone makes fun of me for it, but it also does truly bother me a little bit when I hear things like, \"Oh that guy is an asshole, he must be mad because he has a tiny dick.\" Like... As if all us small guys are just furious that we aren't gonna win the dick-measuring contest that we let it affect our daily lives. It's a matter of extremes I think. I'm sure there's some guys with small ones that genuinely don't give a single fuck, and others who let it influence their entire lives, but I think most men with a small wang living in a society which implies that's a bad thing are going to end up somewhere in the middle of the scale.\nThe people I really feel bad for are the young people. Growing up with a small dick is a million times harder than being an adult with one. For the most part, nobody really cares if you're a grown man that's small, but when you're a teenager you feel like everybody cares. I had a really hard time wanting to pursue girls because of it, always worried about what their reaction would be, is they'd tell their girlfriends and it would get back to the other guys, etc. And that DOES happen... I remember being at the lunch table and someone saying, 'Did you hear Mike's dick is only x inches?\" and I'd be sitting there like, an inch shorter than Mike and pretending that I found it as funny as everyone else around the table. It didn't really hit me until I was much older that I probably wasn't the only one at the table doing that. Plus I always thought it was weird like, at least that was evidence \"Mike\" was getting some, why should he care if it was small? It wasn't until I got over it and had a few flings and girlfriends that I realized it made such a little difference (pun intended) than what I had built it up to in my mind.\nSo I mean... Yeah, I think some guys do truly have small dick energy, but all that means is they're insecure and I think it kind of sucks that people don't think about the feelings of people who had no part of the fight who get their feelings hurt as collateral damage, and that somehow just because of the douche the insult was leveled at we go, \"Haha you feel insecure about your body!\"\nOne thing it makes me think about that I'm guilty of is calling guys closet-cases. Yeah, I am just trying to point out they're overcompensating about things because they are ashamed of their sexuality, but I don't really take a pause and think, \"Wow, I bet that makes the people actually in the closet feel like shit.\" In some ways, I think it's even worse than just simple body shaming that as a society we're going around making fun of people for issues that could very well be deep seeded mental health issues, or could become so.",
">\n\nidk i just think that the only people being accused of having small dicks are people who are so obnoxious that it feels like they're compensating, like this guy. so sure its \"body shaming\", but a) body shaming is just something that happens that idk if we can ever really do anything about, because human beings value different body parts differently, and b) its only really shaming people because of their behavior, not their bodies. its shaming their behavior, by implying something about their bodies that would be embarrassing particularly for a person who is displaying this behavior, like tate does, because somebody that obsessed with getting chicks would probably be extremely concerned if people thought he had a small dick.",
">\n\nYeah that's the thing though, for me it really bothers me more that people think I'm going around being an asshole, driving a huge truck or otherwise trying to compensate just because my dick is small. I can also see the idea that it implies that having a small dick is bad. I mean just the idea that you can 'accuse' anyone of it implies there's something wrong with it.\nI mean, to me that's easier to hand-wave the idea that there's something wrong with it since I've had enough lived experience to know it doesn't matter. However, I feel like there's probably a lot of people out there who haven't who are still really hung up on it, particularly young people. I know I already brought up homosexuality, but it reminds me of when people use to say you shouldn't call things gay because it puts a negative connotation on homosexuality. Speaking of that, there's that phrase, \"It gets better,\" that is used to comfort/console LGTBQ youths and I think it should be applied to body-image issues too--whether that be penis size, breast size, weight, whatever. Looking back on my life, it was definitely the insecurities that negatively effected me far more than my actual size ever did. \nBut yeah I also feel like there's kind of a lot of people just trying to paint this as her being caught being a hypocrite or something, and I agree with you that I especially hate it when men frame it as some kind of, \"Oh look, see, we're oppressed too. So much for feminism!\" kind of argument.\nI guess I just see both sides of it.",
">\n\nVery well put. I honestly think you have changed some minds today. Hopefully more people stop and think before blindly defending someone they look up to.",
">\n\nI have a small dick, it's fine",
">\n\nThat's the point.",
">\n\nNo shit.",
">\n\n\"small dick energy\" isn't mocking someone for their penis size but for behaving in a way that they are compensating for insecurities and people like Tait measure their masculinity in \"I own cars\" is the epitome of trying to mask insecurities",
">\n\nI think the point about \"energy\" keeps being ignored. \nYou can have a small dick, but with thoughtfulness and confidence never have \"small dick energy\"\nYou can have a big schlong and be a needy jerkstore which gives you \"small dick energy\"\nAnd you can be like Andrew Tate and have a very small one and have \"small dick energy\" and be an absolute creepy, dumbass attention goblin.\nThe grand majority of people don't give a flip about the size of your dick. People with dicks care about the size of their own dick. It's the assumption that everyone cares as much as they do about their dick that's the real problem.",
">\n\nSo you agree the stereotype is false ..... and hurtful. If it's really an assumption as you say then people won't use \"tiny dick\" as an insult on people they don't like right? If no one really cares then there's no need to use it as an insult anyway right? Right??\nBut they do because it's socially acceptable to body shame men for some reason. Just see the tweet posts in other subs and their comments section laughing along, cheering her on and poking fun at men who have small penises and the stereotypes associated with such.",
">\n\nI don't know how old you are but like.\nSaying small dick energy actually has anything to do with the size of someone's dick is like culturally irrelevant.\nLike you can have a tiny dick and still have big dick energy and you can have a big dick and have small dick energy.\nBecause, Most people who need to project their insecurities are insulted by the size assumption.\nIt's more about the idea of insulting someone by saying they're just trying to project masculinity. This is the same reason why being in small dick energy is really used in all circles and not just as a male centered insult.\nLike buck and stud lesbians love the fuck out of that term.\nPeople with a small dick who get insulted by the general idea of small dick energy as an insult need to deal with their own insecurities.\nI'd much rather have a small dick than small dick energy.",
">\n\nIf the size is irrelevant, why associate being small with only negative traits and being big with only positive traits? You can't, and you could just say that being smaller makes you a bad person. It would be more honest. I'm sure people dealing with insecurities appreciate being associated with a human trafficker...",
">\n\nLike I said I have a small dick and would rather have a small dick than have small dick energy.\nThe whole point is that the only people who care about size are people who are easily insecure.\nIt's because they care the people making the jokes know that size doesn't matter and they're not making fun of people who have small dicks they're making fun of the people who care so much about what the size of their dick is that an influences their entire self worth.",
">\n\nThere are plenty of secure people who care about size. They are big, so they don't get made fun of. The people who make the jokes, whether they realize it or not, imply that small = bad person. It reinforces to insecure people that they are wrong for something that they have no control over and that people around them, including loved ones, would think lesser of them, because they probably would if they are making these jokes.",
">\n\nBro I'm not big and I'm pointing out that not everyone who has a small dick is insulted by the idea of small dick energy this really seems to be a you problem.",
">\n\nI'M pointing out that not everyone who is offended is a bad person, but people, like anyone defending this phrase, are just going to pretend to not understand because this is something people don't care if you make fun of, so this is just a waste of time.",
">\n\n\nNot everyone who is offended is a bad person\n\nYeah, they're just wrongly offended because they assume the intent of something from a community they are not a part of. This is happening more and more because of how the internet is working.\nIs like \"Okay Boomer\" wasn't actually about being born a boomer but about the Mindset of the generation.\nIt's the YOU and the other people offended who refuse to understand that \"Small Dick Energy\" isn't connected to you're actual dick size.",
">\n\nIf it's not connected to the dick size then why even phrase it as \"Small Dick Energy\"??\nYou're trying to alter the meaning of words to fit your narrative instead of seeing it for what it is: body shaming against men. Even in your interpretation of the phrase saying it's a mindset it's still wrong that it's equating a shitty mindset with people who have small dicks. Why is this so hard to understand?",
">\n\nBecause it's only the people who are so insecure about their dick size who would get offended by the thought of small dick energy being an insult so it's kind of like self-selecting.\nIt's like when women say I hate men if you're not a man who shitty to women you're not going to get offended by people saying that.\nWe're not making fun of people for having small dicks we're making fun of people for acting like anyone in society cares about the size of your dick.",
">\n\nYour first paragraph basically says that body shaming isn't offensive or hurtful because only people who are insecure will get hurt and offended. That's just wrong. Why? Because it's unnecessarily cruel and just pokes fun at people who are insecure and struggling with their body image. That's punching down on people and shaming them for no reason. \"Small dick energy\" jokes are a form of toxic masculinity and on brand with Tate but now it's legitimised by Greta who's supposed to be progressive and not hateful against people with insecurities. You see the hypocrisy and inconsistency here?\nI don't want to keep repeating myself. Give the top comments a good read and you'll get it.",
">\n\nDoubling down on this saying that also \"Big Dick Energy\" it's an objectification that implicitly disqualifies men who are not allegedly big. But since it's not aimed at women it's totally irrelevant in body shaming debate: you know, fat women must be accepted and regarded as beautiful, but short men? No thanks.",
">\n\nI think context is really important here. Since Andrew Tate is a one-dimensional moron who deserves to feel bad about himself, we know that he values a very surface-level perception of masculinity that is reflected by penis size.\nGenerally, I think making fun of small dicks is pointless, because a person's worth isn't determined by that. But if someone is loudly projecting that they think their worth is determined by that and also makes a living putting down an entire gender, it's fair game IMO.",
">\n\nShe basically proved the \"moron\"s point. Do you understand this? \nHe spews BS that masculinity is reflected by penis size ( having a small penis is shameful) and she basically goes on to insult him with that exact premise. Reinforcing the insult and body shaming people who have nothing to do with him or her. He could be vile and deserving of insults but the way he's insulted reinforces toxic masculinity, which is his entire freaking brand. \nHe has gained more attention and probably more followers now as men who feel left out and laughed at join his ranks making him richer and more influential than he deserves. It was a dumb reply on her part and should be criticized for such, not cheered on.",
">\n\nThis post has small dick energy",
">\n\n?, Andrew tate entire brand its that you should be a \"big dick\" male alpha testosterone and shit. his answer its entirely in his character.\nGreat just reinforced his behaviour. <- thats the wrong part about insulting someone who is entire view promotes toxic masculinity by adding more fuel to that belief. in other words, reinforcing that there is something wrong with you if you have a small penis.",
">\n\nHe literally used it as an insult. If OP has an issue with small dick energy, specifically saying small dick is just even worse. \nAs such if Greta is bad, Tate was even worse.",
">\n\nthe thing is, for tate this is expected?. from greta its very disastrous for what she preaches.",
">\n\nSo if a random person starts talking shit to you, you are required to take the high road?\nThis is the same shit as \"minorities must behave with grace when dealing with racists and bigots\". No thanks. Greta is better because of it.",
">\n\nIf you are an activist you should act in what you believe don´t you?\nOtherwise you are not interested in your ideologies and beliefs, but on being right, that's narcissism.",
">\n\nShes an activist for...climate change. She when was she required to bigger person against assholes?\nWhen did Greta vow to be the pillar of everything good?",
">\n\nShe is a progressive public figure that millions of youth look up to.. that's why her reply is being criticized for being hypocritical. \nProgressives are vocal against body shaming except when it's targeted at someone they don't like, then it's all fair game. This is the hypocrisy that's being pointed out. The inconsistency. \nIdk if she ever vowed to be a pillar of everything good but when she uses language that makes fun of people's insecurities and reinforcing a toxic masculine stereotype( which is Tate's branding btw), then I think it's fair that she gets criticized for it.",
">\n\nSure, you can have you opinion. You can criticize whoever you want. But your opinion isn't the universal standard and I'm not here to change my view. \nBest of luck bud.",
">\n\nI read your previous comment and it's not about Greta Vs Tate who's good who's worse but rather the hypocrisy and bias against men in body shaming. I think you got that point but if you didn't, then I'd suggest going through the top comments to understand the issue at hand.\nTy and best of luck to you as well."
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Sadly, I get more matches on Tinder, than job matches on Linkedin.
I don't have Tinder.
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It’s true. Just had an attractive woman offer me a job on LinkedIn. No matches on tinder.
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I get both but then I get ghosted on both. Not flexing either. It sucks 🥲
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">\n\nSadly, I get more matches on Tinder, than job matches on Linkedin.\n\nI don't have Tinder.",
">\n\nLmao",
">\n\nIt’s true. Just had an attractive woman offer me a job on LinkedIn. No matches on tinder.",
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Pack it up boys, job well done. Kansas is safe for another day.
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Because that was the greatest threat at hand. Fucking losers. Just like my state.
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It's stories like this that make me fantasize about being rich and having the power to hire a gaggle of journalists to investigate. I am sure this department neglected some important policing to be doing this bullshit that serves nobody.
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Getting the low hanging fruit. Great job everyone!
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">\n\nBecause that was the greatest threat at hand. Fucking losers. Just like my state.",
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The hospital staff actually called the police over a vape pen (the article says that the patient isn't on oxygen -- if they were then their lungs would probably give out before a fire starts), then the cops actually organized and conducted a raid over it. How many stupid people were involved in making this stupid decision?
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">\n\nPack it up boys, job well done. Kansas is safe for another day.",
">\n\nBecause that was the greatest threat at hand. Fucking losers. Just like my state.",
">\n\nIt's stories like this that make me fantasize about being rich and having the power to hire a gaggle of journalists to investigate. I am sure this department neglected some important policing to be doing this bullshit that serves nobody.",
">\n\nGetting the low hanging fruit. Great job everyone!"
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Some douchey hospital employee probably didn’t like the smell and decided to call the cops and sit back in the break room while they harassed a dying man. Of course they could have just talked to the guy, taken the vape pen, and let him use the edibles and paste
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">\n\nPack it up boys, job well done. Kansas is safe for another day.",
">\n\nBecause that was the greatest threat at hand. Fucking losers. Just like my state.",
">\n\nIt's stories like this that make me fantasize about being rich and having the power to hire a gaggle of journalists to investigate. I am sure this department neglected some important policing to be doing this bullshit that serves nobody.",
">\n\nGetting the low hanging fruit. Great job everyone!",
">\n\nThe hospital staff actually called the police over a vape pen (the article says that the patient isn't on oxygen -- if they were then their lungs would probably give out before a fire starts), then the cops actually organized and conducted a raid over it. How many stupid people were involved in making this stupid decision?"
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If it’s a weed vape it doesn’t even leave behind a smell unless the dipshit nurse is in there sniffing the clouds of smoke trying to get secondhand baked.
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">\n\nPack it up boys, job well done. Kansas is safe for another day.",
">\n\nBecause that was the greatest threat at hand. Fucking losers. Just like my state.",
">\n\nIt's stories like this that make me fantasize about being rich and having the power to hire a gaggle of journalists to investigate. I am sure this department neglected some important policing to be doing this bullshit that serves nobody.",
">\n\nGetting the low hanging fruit. Great job everyone!",
">\n\nThe hospital staff actually called the police over a vape pen (the article says that the patient isn't on oxygen -- if they were then their lungs would probably give out before a fire starts), then the cops actually organized and conducted a raid over it. How many stupid people were involved in making this stupid decision?",
">\n\nSome douchey hospital employee probably didn’t like the smell and decided to call the cops and sit back in the break room while they harassed a dying man. Of course they could have just talked to the guy, taken the vape pen, and let him use the edibles and paste"
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That’s a common misconception amongst heavy users. Vape pens do leave a lingering odor, although it doesn’t last as long and isn’t as pungent as when you burn flower.
I don’t agree with the actions that were taken here, and you’re correct that you can’t get secondhand baked on vapor. I’m just pointing out that there is a smell that is present through any space where vaping extract is taking place, it fills the whole room.
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">\n\nPack it up boys, job well done. Kansas is safe for another day.",
">\n\nBecause that was the greatest threat at hand. Fucking losers. Just like my state.",
">\n\nIt's stories like this that make me fantasize about being rich and having the power to hire a gaggle of journalists to investigate. I am sure this department neglected some important policing to be doing this bullshit that serves nobody.",
">\n\nGetting the low hanging fruit. Great job everyone!",
">\n\nThe hospital staff actually called the police over a vape pen (the article says that the patient isn't on oxygen -- if they were then their lungs would probably give out before a fire starts), then the cops actually organized and conducted a raid over it. How many stupid people were involved in making this stupid decision?",
">\n\nSome douchey hospital employee probably didn’t like the smell and decided to call the cops and sit back in the break room while they harassed a dying man. Of course they could have just talked to the guy, taken the vape pen, and let him use the edibles and paste",
">\n\nIf it’s a weed vape it doesn’t even leave behind a smell unless the dipshit nurse is in there sniffing the clouds of smoke trying to get secondhand baked."
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See also also: the invention of peppermint schnapps. Am I wasted or did I brush my teeth??
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">\n\nPack it up boys, job well done. Kansas is safe for another day.",
">\n\nBecause that was the greatest threat at hand. Fucking losers. Just like my state.",
">\n\nIt's stories like this that make me fantasize about being rich and having the power to hire a gaggle of journalists to investigate. I am sure this department neglected some important policing to be doing this bullshit that serves nobody.",
">\n\nGetting the low hanging fruit. Great job everyone!",
">\n\nThe hospital staff actually called the police over a vape pen (the article says that the patient isn't on oxygen -- if they were then their lungs would probably give out before a fire starts), then the cops actually organized and conducted a raid over it. How many stupid people were involved in making this stupid decision?",
">\n\nSome douchey hospital employee probably didn’t like the smell and decided to call the cops and sit back in the break room while they harassed a dying man. Of course they could have just talked to the guy, taken the vape pen, and let him use the edibles and paste",
">\n\nIf it’s a weed vape it doesn’t even leave behind a smell unless the dipshit nurse is in there sniffing the clouds of smoke trying to get secondhand baked.",
">\n\nThat’s a common misconception amongst heavy users. Vape pens do leave a lingering odor, although it doesn’t last as long and isn’t as pungent as when you burn flower.\nI don’t agree with the actions that were taken here, and you’re correct that you can’t get secondhand baked on vapor. I’m just pointing out that there is a smell that is present through any space where vaping extract is taking place, it fills the whole room."
] |
>
I don't think Peppermint Schnapps or Cherry Brandy has ever been sold to anyone without fake ID.
|
[
"Aaah, smell the freedom in Kansas.",
">\n\nPack it up boys, job well done. Kansas is safe for another day.",
">\n\nBecause that was the greatest threat at hand. Fucking losers. Just like my state.",
">\n\nIt's stories like this that make me fantasize about being rich and having the power to hire a gaggle of journalists to investigate. I am sure this department neglected some important policing to be doing this bullshit that serves nobody.",
">\n\nGetting the low hanging fruit. Great job everyone!",
">\n\nThe hospital staff actually called the police over a vape pen (the article says that the patient isn't on oxygen -- if they were then their lungs would probably give out before a fire starts), then the cops actually organized and conducted a raid over it. How many stupid people were involved in making this stupid decision?",
">\n\nSome douchey hospital employee probably didn’t like the smell and decided to call the cops and sit back in the break room while they harassed a dying man. Of course they could have just talked to the guy, taken the vape pen, and let him use the edibles and paste",
">\n\nIf it’s a weed vape it doesn’t even leave behind a smell unless the dipshit nurse is in there sniffing the clouds of smoke trying to get secondhand baked.",
">\n\nThat’s a common misconception amongst heavy users. Vape pens do leave a lingering odor, although it doesn’t last as long and isn’t as pungent as when you burn flower.\nI don’t agree with the actions that were taken here, and you’re correct that you can’t get secondhand baked on vapor. I’m just pointing out that there is a smell that is present through any space where vaping extract is taking place, it fills the whole room.",
">\n\nSee also also: the invention of peppermint schnapps. Am I wasted or did I brush my teeth??"
] |
>
I think the negative publicity will ultimately benefit the cause, especially since this was a terminally ill cancer patient.
|
[
"Aaah, smell the freedom in Kansas.",
">\n\nPack it up boys, job well done. Kansas is safe for another day.",
">\n\nBecause that was the greatest threat at hand. Fucking losers. Just like my state.",
">\n\nIt's stories like this that make me fantasize about being rich and having the power to hire a gaggle of journalists to investigate. I am sure this department neglected some important policing to be doing this bullshit that serves nobody.",
">\n\nGetting the low hanging fruit. Great job everyone!",
">\n\nThe hospital staff actually called the police over a vape pen (the article says that the patient isn't on oxygen -- if they were then their lungs would probably give out before a fire starts), then the cops actually organized and conducted a raid over it. How many stupid people were involved in making this stupid decision?",
">\n\nSome douchey hospital employee probably didn’t like the smell and decided to call the cops and sit back in the break room while they harassed a dying man. Of course they could have just talked to the guy, taken the vape pen, and let him use the edibles and paste",
">\n\nIf it’s a weed vape it doesn’t even leave behind a smell unless the dipshit nurse is in there sniffing the clouds of smoke trying to get secondhand baked.",
">\n\nThat’s a common misconception amongst heavy users. Vape pens do leave a lingering odor, although it doesn’t last as long and isn’t as pungent as when you burn flower.\nI don’t agree with the actions that were taken here, and you’re correct that you can’t get secondhand baked on vapor. I’m just pointing out that there is a smell that is present through any space where vaping extract is taking place, it fills the whole room.",
">\n\nSee also also: the invention of peppermint schnapps. Am I wasted or did I brush my teeth??",
">\n\nI don't think Peppermint Schnapps or Cherry Brandy has ever been sold to anyone without fake ID."
] |
>
Yup. There's a saying, if you want to get rid of a bad law, enforce it.
|
[
"Aaah, smell the freedom in Kansas.",
">\n\nPack it up boys, job well done. Kansas is safe for another day.",
">\n\nBecause that was the greatest threat at hand. Fucking losers. Just like my state.",
">\n\nIt's stories like this that make me fantasize about being rich and having the power to hire a gaggle of journalists to investigate. I am sure this department neglected some important policing to be doing this bullshit that serves nobody.",
">\n\nGetting the low hanging fruit. Great job everyone!",
">\n\nThe hospital staff actually called the police over a vape pen (the article says that the patient isn't on oxygen -- if they were then their lungs would probably give out before a fire starts), then the cops actually organized and conducted a raid over it. How many stupid people were involved in making this stupid decision?",
">\n\nSome douchey hospital employee probably didn’t like the smell and decided to call the cops and sit back in the break room while they harassed a dying man. Of course they could have just talked to the guy, taken the vape pen, and let him use the edibles and paste",
">\n\nIf it’s a weed vape it doesn’t even leave behind a smell unless the dipshit nurse is in there sniffing the clouds of smoke trying to get secondhand baked.",
">\n\nThat’s a common misconception amongst heavy users. Vape pens do leave a lingering odor, although it doesn’t last as long and isn’t as pungent as when you burn flower.\nI don’t agree with the actions that were taken here, and you’re correct that you can’t get secondhand baked on vapor. I’m just pointing out that there is a smell that is present through any space where vaping extract is taking place, it fills the whole room.",
">\n\nSee also also: the invention of peppermint schnapps. Am I wasted or did I brush my teeth??",
">\n\nI don't think Peppermint Schnapps or Cherry Brandy has ever been sold to anyone without fake ID.",
">\n\nI think the negative publicity will ultimately benefit the cause, especially since this was a terminally ill cancer patient."
] |
>
I bet a dollar that the cops took the confiscated vape pen and edibles home with them for their own enjoyment.
I knew a woman whose husband was a cop. He always had great weed. He stole it from people he was arresting.
|
[
"Aaah, smell the freedom in Kansas.",
">\n\nPack it up boys, job well done. Kansas is safe for another day.",
">\n\nBecause that was the greatest threat at hand. Fucking losers. Just like my state.",
">\n\nIt's stories like this that make me fantasize about being rich and having the power to hire a gaggle of journalists to investigate. I am sure this department neglected some important policing to be doing this bullshit that serves nobody.",
">\n\nGetting the low hanging fruit. Great job everyone!",
">\n\nThe hospital staff actually called the police over a vape pen (the article says that the patient isn't on oxygen -- if they were then their lungs would probably give out before a fire starts), then the cops actually organized and conducted a raid over it. How many stupid people were involved in making this stupid decision?",
">\n\nSome douchey hospital employee probably didn’t like the smell and decided to call the cops and sit back in the break room while they harassed a dying man. Of course they could have just talked to the guy, taken the vape pen, and let him use the edibles and paste",
">\n\nIf it’s a weed vape it doesn’t even leave behind a smell unless the dipshit nurse is in there sniffing the clouds of smoke trying to get secondhand baked.",
">\n\nThat’s a common misconception amongst heavy users. Vape pens do leave a lingering odor, although it doesn’t last as long and isn’t as pungent as when you burn flower.\nI don’t agree with the actions that were taken here, and you’re correct that you can’t get secondhand baked on vapor. I’m just pointing out that there is a smell that is present through any space where vaping extract is taking place, it fills the whole room.",
">\n\nSee also also: the invention of peppermint schnapps. Am I wasted or did I brush my teeth??",
">\n\nI don't think Peppermint Schnapps or Cherry Brandy has ever been sold to anyone without fake ID.",
">\n\nI think the negative publicity will ultimately benefit the cause, especially since this was a terminally ill cancer patient.",
">\n\nYup. There's a saying, if you want to get rid of a bad law, enforce it."
] |
>
She told you that? Or he did? It would make me want to chop them in their throats, especially if they were saying it as an anecdote and smiling.
|
[
"Aaah, smell the freedom in Kansas.",
">\n\nPack it up boys, job well done. Kansas is safe for another day.",
">\n\nBecause that was the greatest threat at hand. Fucking losers. Just like my state.",
">\n\nIt's stories like this that make me fantasize about being rich and having the power to hire a gaggle of journalists to investigate. I am sure this department neglected some important policing to be doing this bullshit that serves nobody.",
">\n\nGetting the low hanging fruit. Great job everyone!",
">\n\nThe hospital staff actually called the police over a vape pen (the article says that the patient isn't on oxygen -- if they were then their lungs would probably give out before a fire starts), then the cops actually organized and conducted a raid over it. How many stupid people were involved in making this stupid decision?",
">\n\nSome douchey hospital employee probably didn’t like the smell and decided to call the cops and sit back in the break room while they harassed a dying man. Of course they could have just talked to the guy, taken the vape pen, and let him use the edibles and paste",
">\n\nIf it’s a weed vape it doesn’t even leave behind a smell unless the dipshit nurse is in there sniffing the clouds of smoke trying to get secondhand baked.",
">\n\nThat’s a common misconception amongst heavy users. Vape pens do leave a lingering odor, although it doesn’t last as long and isn’t as pungent as when you burn flower.\nI don’t agree with the actions that were taken here, and you’re correct that you can’t get secondhand baked on vapor. I’m just pointing out that there is a smell that is present through any space where vaping extract is taking place, it fills the whole room.",
">\n\nSee also also: the invention of peppermint schnapps. Am I wasted or did I brush my teeth??",
">\n\nI don't think Peppermint Schnapps or Cherry Brandy has ever been sold to anyone without fake ID.",
">\n\nI think the negative publicity will ultimately benefit the cause, especially since this was a terminally ill cancer patient.",
">\n\nYup. There's a saying, if you want to get rid of a bad law, enforce it.",
">\n\nI bet a dollar that the cops took the confiscated vape pen and edibles home with them for their own enjoyment.\nI knew a woman whose husband was a cop. He always had great weed. He stole it from people he was arresting."
] |
>
That's not very Christmas-y.
|
[
"Aaah, smell the freedom in Kansas.",
">\n\nPack it up boys, job well done. Kansas is safe for another day.",
">\n\nBecause that was the greatest threat at hand. Fucking losers. Just like my state.",
">\n\nIt's stories like this that make me fantasize about being rich and having the power to hire a gaggle of journalists to investigate. I am sure this department neglected some important policing to be doing this bullshit that serves nobody.",
">\n\nGetting the low hanging fruit. Great job everyone!",
">\n\nThe hospital staff actually called the police over a vape pen (the article says that the patient isn't on oxygen -- if they were then their lungs would probably give out before a fire starts), then the cops actually organized and conducted a raid over it. How many stupid people were involved in making this stupid decision?",
">\n\nSome douchey hospital employee probably didn’t like the smell and decided to call the cops and sit back in the break room while they harassed a dying man. Of course they could have just talked to the guy, taken the vape pen, and let him use the edibles and paste",
">\n\nIf it’s a weed vape it doesn’t even leave behind a smell unless the dipshit nurse is in there sniffing the clouds of smoke trying to get secondhand baked.",
">\n\nThat’s a common misconception amongst heavy users. Vape pens do leave a lingering odor, although it doesn’t last as long and isn’t as pungent as when you burn flower.\nI don’t agree with the actions that were taken here, and you’re correct that you can’t get secondhand baked on vapor. I’m just pointing out that there is a smell that is present through any space where vaping extract is taking place, it fills the whole room.",
">\n\nSee also also: the invention of peppermint schnapps. Am I wasted or did I brush my teeth??",
">\n\nI don't think Peppermint Schnapps or Cherry Brandy has ever been sold to anyone without fake ID.",
">\n\nI think the negative publicity will ultimately benefit the cause, especially since this was a terminally ill cancer patient.",
">\n\nYup. There's a saying, if you want to get rid of a bad law, enforce it.",
">\n\nI bet a dollar that the cops took the confiscated vape pen and edibles home with them for their own enjoyment.\nI knew a woman whose husband was a cop. He always had great weed. He stole it from people he was arresting.",
">\n\nShe told you that? Or he did? It would make me want to chop them in their throats, especially if they were saying it as an anecdote and smiling."
] |
>
But very Christian
|
[
"Aaah, smell the freedom in Kansas.",
">\n\nPack it up boys, job well done. Kansas is safe for another day.",
">\n\nBecause that was the greatest threat at hand. Fucking losers. Just like my state.",
">\n\nIt's stories like this that make me fantasize about being rich and having the power to hire a gaggle of journalists to investigate. I am sure this department neglected some important policing to be doing this bullshit that serves nobody.",
">\n\nGetting the low hanging fruit. Great job everyone!",
">\n\nThe hospital staff actually called the police over a vape pen (the article says that the patient isn't on oxygen -- if they were then their lungs would probably give out before a fire starts), then the cops actually organized and conducted a raid over it. How many stupid people were involved in making this stupid decision?",
">\n\nSome douchey hospital employee probably didn’t like the smell and decided to call the cops and sit back in the break room while they harassed a dying man. Of course they could have just talked to the guy, taken the vape pen, and let him use the edibles and paste",
">\n\nIf it’s a weed vape it doesn’t even leave behind a smell unless the dipshit nurse is in there sniffing the clouds of smoke trying to get secondhand baked.",
">\n\nThat’s a common misconception amongst heavy users. Vape pens do leave a lingering odor, although it doesn’t last as long and isn’t as pungent as when you burn flower.\nI don’t agree with the actions that were taken here, and you’re correct that you can’t get secondhand baked on vapor. I’m just pointing out that there is a smell that is present through any space where vaping extract is taking place, it fills the whole room.",
">\n\nSee also also: the invention of peppermint schnapps. Am I wasted or did I brush my teeth??",
">\n\nI don't think Peppermint Schnapps or Cherry Brandy has ever been sold to anyone without fake ID.",
">\n\nI think the negative publicity will ultimately benefit the cause, especially since this was a terminally ill cancer patient.",
">\n\nYup. There's a saying, if you want to get rid of a bad law, enforce it.",
">\n\nI bet a dollar that the cops took the confiscated vape pen and edibles home with them for their own enjoyment.\nI knew a woman whose husband was a cop. He always had great weed. He stole it from people he was arresting.",
">\n\nShe told you that? Or he did? It would make me want to chop them in their throats, especially if they were saying it as an anecdote and smiling.",
">\n\nThat's not very Christmas-y."
] |
>
Can you imagine, ratting out a dying cancer patient, because of your own, antiquated ideas? i mean, whoever ratted him out, sat at home for Christmas with loved ones, while this man laid dying. Think of the obnoxious, self righteous, ignorant, uneducated, un-empathetic and lack of humility it takes to try and get a DYING patient a criminal record.
|
[
"Aaah, smell the freedom in Kansas.",
">\n\nPack it up boys, job well done. Kansas is safe for another day.",
">\n\nBecause that was the greatest threat at hand. Fucking losers. Just like my state.",
">\n\nIt's stories like this that make me fantasize about being rich and having the power to hire a gaggle of journalists to investigate. I am sure this department neglected some important policing to be doing this bullshit that serves nobody.",
">\n\nGetting the low hanging fruit. Great job everyone!",
">\n\nThe hospital staff actually called the police over a vape pen (the article says that the patient isn't on oxygen -- if they were then their lungs would probably give out before a fire starts), then the cops actually organized and conducted a raid over it. How many stupid people were involved in making this stupid decision?",
">\n\nSome douchey hospital employee probably didn’t like the smell and decided to call the cops and sit back in the break room while they harassed a dying man. Of course they could have just talked to the guy, taken the vape pen, and let him use the edibles and paste",
">\n\nIf it’s a weed vape it doesn’t even leave behind a smell unless the dipshit nurse is in there sniffing the clouds of smoke trying to get secondhand baked.",
">\n\nThat’s a common misconception amongst heavy users. Vape pens do leave a lingering odor, although it doesn’t last as long and isn’t as pungent as when you burn flower.\nI don’t agree with the actions that were taken here, and you’re correct that you can’t get secondhand baked on vapor. I’m just pointing out that there is a smell that is present through any space where vaping extract is taking place, it fills the whole room.",
">\n\nSee also also: the invention of peppermint schnapps. Am I wasted or did I brush my teeth??",
">\n\nI don't think Peppermint Schnapps or Cherry Brandy has ever been sold to anyone without fake ID.",
">\n\nI think the negative publicity will ultimately benefit the cause, especially since this was a terminally ill cancer patient.",
">\n\nYup. There's a saying, if you want to get rid of a bad law, enforce it.",
">\n\nI bet a dollar that the cops took the confiscated vape pen and edibles home with them for their own enjoyment.\nI knew a woman whose husband was a cop. He always had great weed. He stole it from people he was arresting.",
">\n\nShe told you that? Or he did? It would make me want to chop them in their throats, especially if they were saying it as an anecdote and smiling.",
">\n\nThat's not very Christmas-y.",
">\n\nBut very Christian"
] |
>
Story like these piss me off. All because someone feels more righteous. The man is dying, you should show some compassion. Scared of ignition with the oxygen there is electricity in the room
|
[
"Aaah, smell the freedom in Kansas.",
">\n\nPack it up boys, job well done. Kansas is safe for another day.",
">\n\nBecause that was the greatest threat at hand. Fucking losers. Just like my state.",
">\n\nIt's stories like this that make me fantasize about being rich and having the power to hire a gaggle of journalists to investigate. I am sure this department neglected some important policing to be doing this bullshit that serves nobody.",
">\n\nGetting the low hanging fruit. Great job everyone!",
">\n\nThe hospital staff actually called the police over a vape pen (the article says that the patient isn't on oxygen -- if they were then their lungs would probably give out before a fire starts), then the cops actually organized and conducted a raid over it. How many stupid people were involved in making this stupid decision?",
">\n\nSome douchey hospital employee probably didn’t like the smell and decided to call the cops and sit back in the break room while they harassed a dying man. Of course they could have just talked to the guy, taken the vape pen, and let him use the edibles and paste",
">\n\nIf it’s a weed vape it doesn’t even leave behind a smell unless the dipshit nurse is in there sniffing the clouds of smoke trying to get secondhand baked.",
">\n\nThat’s a common misconception amongst heavy users. Vape pens do leave a lingering odor, although it doesn’t last as long and isn’t as pungent as when you burn flower.\nI don’t agree with the actions that were taken here, and you’re correct that you can’t get secondhand baked on vapor. I’m just pointing out that there is a smell that is present through any space where vaping extract is taking place, it fills the whole room.",
">\n\nSee also also: the invention of peppermint schnapps. Am I wasted or did I brush my teeth??",
">\n\nI don't think Peppermint Schnapps or Cherry Brandy has ever been sold to anyone without fake ID.",
">\n\nI think the negative publicity will ultimately benefit the cause, especially since this was a terminally ill cancer patient.",
">\n\nYup. There's a saying, if you want to get rid of a bad law, enforce it.",
">\n\nI bet a dollar that the cops took the confiscated vape pen and edibles home with them for their own enjoyment.\nI knew a woman whose husband was a cop. He always had great weed. He stole it from people he was arresting.",
">\n\nShe told you that? Or he did? It would make me want to chop them in their throats, especially if they were saying it as an anecdote and smiling.",
">\n\nThat's not very Christmas-y.",
">\n\nBut very Christian",
">\n\nCan you imagine, ratting out a dying cancer patient, because of your own, antiquated ideas? i mean, whoever ratted him out, sat at home for Christmas with loved ones, while this man laid dying. Think of the obnoxious, self righteous, ignorant, uneducated, un-empathetic and lack of humility it takes to try and get a DYING patient a criminal record."
] |
>
The kind of person who would call the fucking police on a terminally ill cancer patient for using a harmless substance to ease their suffering is from the same group of people who think that we should be living in 1850.
There are waaaaaaay more asshole bigots in American healthcare than you realize.
|
[
"Aaah, smell the freedom in Kansas.",
">\n\nPack it up boys, job well done. Kansas is safe for another day.",
">\n\nBecause that was the greatest threat at hand. Fucking losers. Just like my state.",
">\n\nIt's stories like this that make me fantasize about being rich and having the power to hire a gaggle of journalists to investigate. I am sure this department neglected some important policing to be doing this bullshit that serves nobody.",
">\n\nGetting the low hanging fruit. Great job everyone!",
">\n\nThe hospital staff actually called the police over a vape pen (the article says that the patient isn't on oxygen -- if they were then their lungs would probably give out before a fire starts), then the cops actually organized and conducted a raid over it. How many stupid people were involved in making this stupid decision?",
">\n\nSome douchey hospital employee probably didn’t like the smell and decided to call the cops and sit back in the break room while they harassed a dying man. Of course they could have just talked to the guy, taken the vape pen, and let him use the edibles and paste",
">\n\nIf it’s a weed vape it doesn’t even leave behind a smell unless the dipshit nurse is in there sniffing the clouds of smoke trying to get secondhand baked.",
">\n\nThat’s a common misconception amongst heavy users. Vape pens do leave a lingering odor, although it doesn’t last as long and isn’t as pungent as when you burn flower.\nI don’t agree with the actions that were taken here, and you’re correct that you can’t get secondhand baked on vapor. I’m just pointing out that there is a smell that is present through any space where vaping extract is taking place, it fills the whole room.",
">\n\nSee also also: the invention of peppermint schnapps. Am I wasted or did I brush my teeth??",
">\n\nI don't think Peppermint Schnapps or Cherry Brandy has ever been sold to anyone without fake ID.",
">\n\nI think the negative publicity will ultimately benefit the cause, especially since this was a terminally ill cancer patient.",
">\n\nYup. There's a saying, if you want to get rid of a bad law, enforce it.",
">\n\nI bet a dollar that the cops took the confiscated vape pen and edibles home with them for their own enjoyment.\nI knew a woman whose husband was a cop. He always had great weed. He stole it from people he was arresting.",
">\n\nShe told you that? Or he did? It would make me want to chop them in their throats, especially if they were saying it as an anecdote and smiling.",
">\n\nThat's not very Christmas-y.",
">\n\nBut very Christian",
">\n\nCan you imagine, ratting out a dying cancer patient, because of your own, antiquated ideas? i mean, whoever ratted him out, sat at home for Christmas with loved ones, while this man laid dying. Think of the obnoxious, self righteous, ignorant, uneducated, un-empathetic and lack of humility it takes to try and get a DYING patient a criminal record.",
">\n\nStory like these piss me off. All because someone feels more righteous. The man is dying, you should show some compassion. Scared of ignition with the oxygen there is electricity in the room"
] |
>
Hospital employee too weak to take vape pen from dying patient? WTF?
|
[
"Aaah, smell the freedom in Kansas.",
">\n\nPack it up boys, job well done. Kansas is safe for another day.",
">\n\nBecause that was the greatest threat at hand. Fucking losers. Just like my state.",
">\n\nIt's stories like this that make me fantasize about being rich and having the power to hire a gaggle of journalists to investigate. I am sure this department neglected some important policing to be doing this bullshit that serves nobody.",
">\n\nGetting the low hanging fruit. Great job everyone!",
">\n\nThe hospital staff actually called the police over a vape pen (the article says that the patient isn't on oxygen -- if they were then their lungs would probably give out before a fire starts), then the cops actually organized and conducted a raid over it. How many stupid people were involved in making this stupid decision?",
">\n\nSome douchey hospital employee probably didn’t like the smell and decided to call the cops and sit back in the break room while they harassed a dying man. Of course they could have just talked to the guy, taken the vape pen, and let him use the edibles and paste",
">\n\nIf it’s a weed vape it doesn’t even leave behind a smell unless the dipshit nurse is in there sniffing the clouds of smoke trying to get secondhand baked.",
">\n\nThat’s a common misconception amongst heavy users. Vape pens do leave a lingering odor, although it doesn’t last as long and isn’t as pungent as when you burn flower.\nI don’t agree with the actions that were taken here, and you’re correct that you can’t get secondhand baked on vapor. I’m just pointing out that there is a smell that is present through any space where vaping extract is taking place, it fills the whole room.",
">\n\nSee also also: the invention of peppermint schnapps. Am I wasted or did I brush my teeth??",
">\n\nI don't think Peppermint Schnapps or Cherry Brandy has ever been sold to anyone without fake ID.",
">\n\nI think the negative publicity will ultimately benefit the cause, especially since this was a terminally ill cancer patient.",
">\n\nYup. There's a saying, if you want to get rid of a bad law, enforce it.",
">\n\nI bet a dollar that the cops took the confiscated vape pen and edibles home with them for their own enjoyment.\nI knew a woman whose husband was a cop. He always had great weed. He stole it from people he was arresting.",
">\n\nShe told you that? Or he did? It would make me want to chop them in their throats, especially if they were saying it as an anecdote and smiling.",
">\n\nThat's not very Christmas-y.",
">\n\nBut very Christian",
">\n\nCan you imagine, ratting out a dying cancer patient, because of your own, antiquated ideas? i mean, whoever ratted him out, sat at home for Christmas with loved ones, while this man laid dying. Think of the obnoxious, self righteous, ignorant, uneducated, un-empathetic and lack of humility it takes to try and get a DYING patient a criminal record.",
">\n\nStory like these piss me off. All because someone feels more righteous. The man is dying, you should show some compassion. Scared of ignition with the oxygen there is electricity in the room",
">\n\nThe kind of person who would call the fucking police on a terminally ill cancer patient for using a harmless substance to ease their suffering is from the same group of people who think that we should be living in 1850.\nThere are waaaaaaay more asshole bigots in American healthcare than you realize."
] |
>
Land of the Free
|
[
"Aaah, smell the freedom in Kansas.",
">\n\nPack it up boys, job well done. Kansas is safe for another day.",
">\n\nBecause that was the greatest threat at hand. Fucking losers. Just like my state.",
">\n\nIt's stories like this that make me fantasize about being rich and having the power to hire a gaggle of journalists to investigate. I am sure this department neglected some important policing to be doing this bullshit that serves nobody.",
">\n\nGetting the low hanging fruit. Great job everyone!",
">\n\nThe hospital staff actually called the police over a vape pen (the article says that the patient isn't on oxygen -- if they were then their lungs would probably give out before a fire starts), then the cops actually organized and conducted a raid over it. How many stupid people were involved in making this stupid decision?",
">\n\nSome douchey hospital employee probably didn’t like the smell and decided to call the cops and sit back in the break room while they harassed a dying man. Of course they could have just talked to the guy, taken the vape pen, and let him use the edibles and paste",
">\n\nIf it’s a weed vape it doesn’t even leave behind a smell unless the dipshit nurse is in there sniffing the clouds of smoke trying to get secondhand baked.",
">\n\nThat’s a common misconception amongst heavy users. Vape pens do leave a lingering odor, although it doesn’t last as long and isn’t as pungent as when you burn flower.\nI don’t agree with the actions that were taken here, and you’re correct that you can’t get secondhand baked on vapor. I’m just pointing out that there is a smell that is present through any space where vaping extract is taking place, it fills the whole room.",
">\n\nSee also also: the invention of peppermint schnapps. Am I wasted or did I brush my teeth??",
">\n\nI don't think Peppermint Schnapps or Cherry Brandy has ever been sold to anyone without fake ID.",
">\n\nI think the negative publicity will ultimately benefit the cause, especially since this was a terminally ill cancer patient.",
">\n\nYup. There's a saying, if you want to get rid of a bad law, enforce it.",
">\n\nI bet a dollar that the cops took the confiscated vape pen and edibles home with them for their own enjoyment.\nI knew a woman whose husband was a cop. He always had great weed. He stole it from people he was arresting.",
">\n\nShe told you that? Or he did? It would make me want to chop them in their throats, especially if they were saying it as an anecdote and smiling.",
">\n\nThat's not very Christmas-y.",
">\n\nBut very Christian",
">\n\nCan you imagine, ratting out a dying cancer patient, because of your own, antiquated ideas? i mean, whoever ratted him out, sat at home for Christmas with loved ones, while this man laid dying. Think of the obnoxious, self righteous, ignorant, uneducated, un-empathetic and lack of humility it takes to try and get a DYING patient a criminal record.",
">\n\nStory like these piss me off. All because someone feels more righteous. The man is dying, you should show some compassion. Scared of ignition with the oxygen there is electricity in the room",
">\n\nThe kind of person who would call the fucking police on a terminally ill cancer patient for using a harmless substance to ease their suffering is from the same group of people who think that we should be living in 1850.\nThere are waaaaaaay more asshole bigots in American healthcare than you realize.",
">\n\nHospital employee too weak to take vape pen from dying patient? WTF?"
] |
>
Common sense people, use it. They didn't need to arrest the money, waste of everyone's time and money.
|
[
"Aaah, smell the freedom in Kansas.",
">\n\nPack it up boys, job well done. Kansas is safe for another day.",
">\n\nBecause that was the greatest threat at hand. Fucking losers. Just like my state.",
">\n\nIt's stories like this that make me fantasize about being rich and having the power to hire a gaggle of journalists to investigate. I am sure this department neglected some important policing to be doing this bullshit that serves nobody.",
">\n\nGetting the low hanging fruit. Great job everyone!",
">\n\nThe hospital staff actually called the police over a vape pen (the article says that the patient isn't on oxygen -- if they were then their lungs would probably give out before a fire starts), then the cops actually organized and conducted a raid over it. How many stupid people were involved in making this stupid decision?",
">\n\nSome douchey hospital employee probably didn’t like the smell and decided to call the cops and sit back in the break room while they harassed a dying man. Of course they could have just talked to the guy, taken the vape pen, and let him use the edibles and paste",
">\n\nIf it’s a weed vape it doesn’t even leave behind a smell unless the dipshit nurse is in there sniffing the clouds of smoke trying to get secondhand baked.",
">\n\nThat’s a common misconception amongst heavy users. Vape pens do leave a lingering odor, although it doesn’t last as long and isn’t as pungent as when you burn flower.\nI don’t agree with the actions that were taken here, and you’re correct that you can’t get secondhand baked on vapor. I’m just pointing out that there is a smell that is present through any space where vaping extract is taking place, it fills the whole room.",
">\n\nSee also also: the invention of peppermint schnapps. Am I wasted or did I brush my teeth??",
">\n\nI don't think Peppermint Schnapps or Cherry Brandy has ever been sold to anyone without fake ID.",
">\n\nI think the negative publicity will ultimately benefit the cause, especially since this was a terminally ill cancer patient.",
">\n\nYup. There's a saying, if you want to get rid of a bad law, enforce it.",
">\n\nI bet a dollar that the cops took the confiscated vape pen and edibles home with them for their own enjoyment.\nI knew a woman whose husband was a cop. He always had great weed. He stole it from people he was arresting.",
">\n\nShe told you that? Or he did? It would make me want to chop them in their throats, especially if they were saying it as an anecdote and smiling.",
">\n\nThat's not very Christmas-y.",
">\n\nBut very Christian",
">\n\nCan you imagine, ratting out a dying cancer patient, because of your own, antiquated ideas? i mean, whoever ratted him out, sat at home for Christmas with loved ones, while this man laid dying. Think of the obnoxious, self righteous, ignorant, uneducated, un-empathetic and lack of humility it takes to try and get a DYING patient a criminal record.",
">\n\nStory like these piss me off. All because someone feels more righteous. The man is dying, you should show some compassion. Scared of ignition with the oxygen there is electricity in the room",
">\n\nThe kind of person who would call the fucking police on a terminally ill cancer patient for using a harmless substance to ease their suffering is from the same group of people who think that we should be living in 1850.\nThere are waaaaaaay more asshole bigots in American healthcare than you realize.",
">\n\nHospital employee too weak to take vape pen from dying patient? WTF?",
">\n\nLand of the Free"
] |
>
Keeping us safe from all the bad guys…
|
[
"Aaah, smell the freedom in Kansas.",
">\n\nPack it up boys, job well done. Kansas is safe for another day.",
">\n\nBecause that was the greatest threat at hand. Fucking losers. Just like my state.",
">\n\nIt's stories like this that make me fantasize about being rich and having the power to hire a gaggle of journalists to investigate. I am sure this department neglected some important policing to be doing this bullshit that serves nobody.",
">\n\nGetting the low hanging fruit. Great job everyone!",
">\n\nThe hospital staff actually called the police over a vape pen (the article says that the patient isn't on oxygen -- if they were then their lungs would probably give out before a fire starts), then the cops actually organized and conducted a raid over it. How many stupid people were involved in making this stupid decision?",
">\n\nSome douchey hospital employee probably didn’t like the smell and decided to call the cops and sit back in the break room while they harassed a dying man. Of course they could have just talked to the guy, taken the vape pen, and let him use the edibles and paste",
">\n\nIf it’s a weed vape it doesn’t even leave behind a smell unless the dipshit nurse is in there sniffing the clouds of smoke trying to get secondhand baked.",
">\n\nThat’s a common misconception amongst heavy users. Vape pens do leave a lingering odor, although it doesn’t last as long and isn’t as pungent as when you burn flower.\nI don’t agree with the actions that were taken here, and you’re correct that you can’t get secondhand baked on vapor. I’m just pointing out that there is a smell that is present through any space where vaping extract is taking place, it fills the whole room.",
">\n\nSee also also: the invention of peppermint schnapps. Am I wasted or did I brush my teeth??",
">\n\nI don't think Peppermint Schnapps or Cherry Brandy has ever been sold to anyone without fake ID.",
">\n\nI think the negative publicity will ultimately benefit the cause, especially since this was a terminally ill cancer patient.",
">\n\nYup. There's a saying, if you want to get rid of a bad law, enforce it.",
">\n\nI bet a dollar that the cops took the confiscated vape pen and edibles home with them for their own enjoyment.\nI knew a woman whose husband was a cop. He always had great weed. He stole it from people he was arresting.",
">\n\nShe told you that? Or he did? It would make me want to chop them in their throats, especially if they were saying it as an anecdote and smiling.",
">\n\nThat's not very Christmas-y.",
">\n\nBut very Christian",
">\n\nCan you imagine, ratting out a dying cancer patient, because of your own, antiquated ideas? i mean, whoever ratted him out, sat at home for Christmas with loved ones, while this man laid dying. Think of the obnoxious, self righteous, ignorant, uneducated, un-empathetic and lack of humility it takes to try and get a DYING patient a criminal record.",
">\n\nStory like these piss me off. All because someone feels more righteous. The man is dying, you should show some compassion. Scared of ignition with the oxygen there is electricity in the room",
">\n\nThe kind of person who would call the fucking police on a terminally ill cancer patient for using a harmless substance to ease their suffering is from the same group of people who think that we should be living in 1850.\nThere are waaaaaaay more asshole bigots in American healthcare than you realize.",
">\n\nHospital employee too weak to take vape pen from dying patient? WTF?",
">\n\nLand of the Free",
">\n\nCommon sense people, use it. They didn't need to arrest the money, waste of everyone's time and money."
] |
>
While I don’t agree with the police response… they should never have been called in the first place.
This should absolutely be able to be managed by healthcare workers in a hospital environment and should be escalated to police/security only if staff threat then becomes an issue. I am doubtful that was a concern given that the person involved is being actively palliated. There was no mention of involved family members but that would be a consideration if it were the case. At face value, this appears as lazy unprofessional healthcare work.
|
[
"Aaah, smell the freedom in Kansas.",
">\n\nPack it up boys, job well done. Kansas is safe for another day.",
">\n\nBecause that was the greatest threat at hand. Fucking losers. Just like my state.",
">\n\nIt's stories like this that make me fantasize about being rich and having the power to hire a gaggle of journalists to investigate. I am sure this department neglected some important policing to be doing this bullshit that serves nobody.",
">\n\nGetting the low hanging fruit. Great job everyone!",
">\n\nThe hospital staff actually called the police over a vape pen (the article says that the patient isn't on oxygen -- if they were then their lungs would probably give out before a fire starts), then the cops actually organized and conducted a raid over it. How many stupid people were involved in making this stupid decision?",
">\n\nSome douchey hospital employee probably didn’t like the smell and decided to call the cops and sit back in the break room while they harassed a dying man. Of course they could have just talked to the guy, taken the vape pen, and let him use the edibles and paste",
">\n\nIf it’s a weed vape it doesn’t even leave behind a smell unless the dipshit nurse is in there sniffing the clouds of smoke trying to get secondhand baked.",
">\n\nThat’s a common misconception amongst heavy users. Vape pens do leave a lingering odor, although it doesn’t last as long and isn’t as pungent as when you burn flower.\nI don’t agree with the actions that were taken here, and you’re correct that you can’t get secondhand baked on vapor. I’m just pointing out that there is a smell that is present through any space where vaping extract is taking place, it fills the whole room.",
">\n\nSee also also: the invention of peppermint schnapps. Am I wasted or did I brush my teeth??",
">\n\nI don't think Peppermint Schnapps or Cherry Brandy has ever been sold to anyone without fake ID.",
">\n\nI think the negative publicity will ultimately benefit the cause, especially since this was a terminally ill cancer patient.",
">\n\nYup. There's a saying, if you want to get rid of a bad law, enforce it.",
">\n\nI bet a dollar that the cops took the confiscated vape pen and edibles home with them for their own enjoyment.\nI knew a woman whose husband was a cop. He always had great weed. He stole it from people he was arresting.",
">\n\nShe told you that? Or he did? It would make me want to chop them in their throats, especially if they were saying it as an anecdote and smiling.",
">\n\nThat's not very Christmas-y.",
">\n\nBut very Christian",
">\n\nCan you imagine, ratting out a dying cancer patient, because of your own, antiquated ideas? i mean, whoever ratted him out, sat at home for Christmas with loved ones, while this man laid dying. Think of the obnoxious, self righteous, ignorant, uneducated, un-empathetic and lack of humility it takes to try and get a DYING patient a criminal record.",
">\n\nStory like these piss me off. All because someone feels more righteous. The man is dying, you should show some compassion. Scared of ignition with the oxygen there is electricity in the room",
">\n\nThe kind of person who would call the fucking police on a terminally ill cancer patient for using a harmless substance to ease their suffering is from the same group of people who think that we should be living in 1850.\nThere are waaaaaaay more asshole bigots in American healthcare than you realize.",
">\n\nHospital employee too weak to take vape pen from dying patient? WTF?",
">\n\nLand of the Free",
">\n\nCommon sense people, use it. They didn't need to arrest the money, waste of everyone's time and money.",
">\n\nKeeping us safe from all the bad guys…"
] |
>
If you’re dying do what will, as long as it doesn’t hurt others. Like grandpa from little miss sunshine
|
[
"Aaah, smell the freedom in Kansas.",
">\n\nPack it up boys, job well done. Kansas is safe for another day.",
">\n\nBecause that was the greatest threat at hand. Fucking losers. Just like my state.",
">\n\nIt's stories like this that make me fantasize about being rich and having the power to hire a gaggle of journalists to investigate. I am sure this department neglected some important policing to be doing this bullshit that serves nobody.",
">\n\nGetting the low hanging fruit. Great job everyone!",
">\n\nThe hospital staff actually called the police over a vape pen (the article says that the patient isn't on oxygen -- if they were then their lungs would probably give out before a fire starts), then the cops actually organized and conducted a raid over it. How many stupid people were involved in making this stupid decision?",
">\n\nSome douchey hospital employee probably didn’t like the smell and decided to call the cops and sit back in the break room while they harassed a dying man. Of course they could have just talked to the guy, taken the vape pen, and let him use the edibles and paste",
">\n\nIf it’s a weed vape it doesn’t even leave behind a smell unless the dipshit nurse is in there sniffing the clouds of smoke trying to get secondhand baked.",
">\n\nThat’s a common misconception amongst heavy users. Vape pens do leave a lingering odor, although it doesn’t last as long and isn’t as pungent as when you burn flower.\nI don’t agree with the actions that were taken here, and you’re correct that you can’t get secondhand baked on vapor. I’m just pointing out that there is a smell that is present through any space where vaping extract is taking place, it fills the whole room.",
">\n\nSee also also: the invention of peppermint schnapps. Am I wasted or did I brush my teeth??",
">\n\nI don't think Peppermint Schnapps or Cherry Brandy has ever been sold to anyone without fake ID.",
">\n\nI think the negative publicity will ultimately benefit the cause, especially since this was a terminally ill cancer patient.",
">\n\nYup. There's a saying, if you want to get rid of a bad law, enforce it.",
">\n\nI bet a dollar that the cops took the confiscated vape pen and edibles home with them for their own enjoyment.\nI knew a woman whose husband was a cop. He always had great weed. He stole it from people he was arresting.",
">\n\nShe told you that? Or he did? It would make me want to chop them in their throats, especially if they were saying it as an anecdote and smiling.",
">\n\nThat's not very Christmas-y.",
">\n\nBut very Christian",
">\n\nCan you imagine, ratting out a dying cancer patient, because of your own, antiquated ideas? i mean, whoever ratted him out, sat at home for Christmas with loved ones, while this man laid dying. Think of the obnoxious, self righteous, ignorant, uneducated, un-empathetic and lack of humility it takes to try and get a DYING patient a criminal record.",
">\n\nStory like these piss me off. All because someone feels more righteous. The man is dying, you should show some compassion. Scared of ignition with the oxygen there is electricity in the room",
">\n\nThe kind of person who would call the fucking police on a terminally ill cancer patient for using a harmless substance to ease their suffering is from the same group of people who think that we should be living in 1850.\nThere are waaaaaaay more asshole bigots in American healthcare than you realize.",
">\n\nHospital employee too weak to take vape pen from dying patient? WTF?",
">\n\nLand of the Free",
">\n\nCommon sense people, use it. They didn't need to arrest the money, waste of everyone's time and money.",
">\n\nKeeping us safe from all the bad guys…",
">\n\nWhile I don’t agree with the police response… they should never have been called in the first place. \nThis should absolutely be able to be managed by healthcare workers in a hospital environment and should be escalated to police/security only if staff threat then becomes an issue. I am doubtful that was a concern given that the person involved is being actively palliated. There was no mention of involved family members but that would be a consideration if it were the case. At face value, this appears as lazy unprofessional healthcare work."
] |
>
IMO, we can extend this philosophy to living as well.
|
[
"Aaah, smell the freedom in Kansas.",
">\n\nPack it up boys, job well done. Kansas is safe for another day.",
">\n\nBecause that was the greatest threat at hand. Fucking losers. Just like my state.",
">\n\nIt's stories like this that make me fantasize about being rich and having the power to hire a gaggle of journalists to investigate. I am sure this department neglected some important policing to be doing this bullshit that serves nobody.",
">\n\nGetting the low hanging fruit. Great job everyone!",
">\n\nThe hospital staff actually called the police over a vape pen (the article says that the patient isn't on oxygen -- if they were then their lungs would probably give out before a fire starts), then the cops actually organized and conducted a raid over it. How many stupid people were involved in making this stupid decision?",
">\n\nSome douchey hospital employee probably didn’t like the smell and decided to call the cops and sit back in the break room while they harassed a dying man. Of course they could have just talked to the guy, taken the vape pen, and let him use the edibles and paste",
">\n\nIf it’s a weed vape it doesn’t even leave behind a smell unless the dipshit nurse is in there sniffing the clouds of smoke trying to get secondhand baked.",
">\n\nThat’s a common misconception amongst heavy users. Vape pens do leave a lingering odor, although it doesn’t last as long and isn’t as pungent as when you burn flower.\nI don’t agree with the actions that were taken here, and you’re correct that you can’t get secondhand baked on vapor. I’m just pointing out that there is a smell that is present through any space where vaping extract is taking place, it fills the whole room.",
">\n\nSee also also: the invention of peppermint schnapps. Am I wasted or did I brush my teeth??",
">\n\nI don't think Peppermint Schnapps or Cherry Brandy has ever been sold to anyone without fake ID.",
">\n\nI think the negative publicity will ultimately benefit the cause, especially since this was a terminally ill cancer patient.",
">\n\nYup. There's a saying, if you want to get rid of a bad law, enforce it.",
">\n\nI bet a dollar that the cops took the confiscated vape pen and edibles home with them for their own enjoyment.\nI knew a woman whose husband was a cop. He always had great weed. He stole it from people he was arresting.",
">\n\nShe told you that? Or he did? It would make me want to chop them in their throats, especially if they were saying it as an anecdote and smiling.",
">\n\nThat's not very Christmas-y.",
">\n\nBut very Christian",
">\n\nCan you imagine, ratting out a dying cancer patient, because of your own, antiquated ideas? i mean, whoever ratted him out, sat at home for Christmas with loved ones, while this man laid dying. Think of the obnoxious, self righteous, ignorant, uneducated, un-empathetic and lack of humility it takes to try and get a DYING patient a criminal record.",
">\n\nStory like these piss me off. All because someone feels more righteous. The man is dying, you should show some compassion. Scared of ignition with the oxygen there is electricity in the room",
">\n\nThe kind of person who would call the fucking police on a terminally ill cancer patient for using a harmless substance to ease their suffering is from the same group of people who think that we should be living in 1850.\nThere are waaaaaaay more asshole bigots in American healthcare than you realize.",
">\n\nHospital employee too weak to take vape pen from dying patient? WTF?",
">\n\nLand of the Free",
">\n\nCommon sense people, use it. They didn't need to arrest the money, waste of everyone's time and money.",
">\n\nKeeping us safe from all the bad guys…",
">\n\nWhile I don’t agree with the police response… they should never have been called in the first place. \nThis should absolutely be able to be managed by healthcare workers in a hospital environment and should be escalated to police/security only if staff threat then becomes an issue. I am doubtful that was a concern given that the person involved is being actively palliated. There was no mention of involved family members but that would be a consideration if it were the case. At face value, this appears as lazy unprofessional healthcare work.",
">\n\nIf you’re dying do what will, as long as it doesn’t hurt others. Like grandpa from little miss sunshine"
] |
>
I’m not completely against it
|
[
"Aaah, smell the freedom in Kansas.",
">\n\nPack it up boys, job well done. Kansas is safe for another day.",
">\n\nBecause that was the greatest threat at hand. Fucking losers. Just like my state.",
">\n\nIt's stories like this that make me fantasize about being rich and having the power to hire a gaggle of journalists to investigate. I am sure this department neglected some important policing to be doing this bullshit that serves nobody.",
">\n\nGetting the low hanging fruit. Great job everyone!",
">\n\nThe hospital staff actually called the police over a vape pen (the article says that the patient isn't on oxygen -- if they were then their lungs would probably give out before a fire starts), then the cops actually organized and conducted a raid over it. How many stupid people were involved in making this stupid decision?",
">\n\nSome douchey hospital employee probably didn’t like the smell and decided to call the cops and sit back in the break room while they harassed a dying man. Of course they could have just talked to the guy, taken the vape pen, and let him use the edibles and paste",
">\n\nIf it’s a weed vape it doesn’t even leave behind a smell unless the dipshit nurse is in there sniffing the clouds of smoke trying to get secondhand baked.",
">\n\nThat’s a common misconception amongst heavy users. Vape pens do leave a lingering odor, although it doesn’t last as long and isn’t as pungent as when you burn flower.\nI don’t agree with the actions that were taken here, and you’re correct that you can’t get secondhand baked on vapor. I’m just pointing out that there is a smell that is present through any space where vaping extract is taking place, it fills the whole room.",
">\n\nSee also also: the invention of peppermint schnapps. Am I wasted or did I brush my teeth??",
">\n\nI don't think Peppermint Schnapps or Cherry Brandy has ever been sold to anyone without fake ID.",
">\n\nI think the negative publicity will ultimately benefit the cause, especially since this was a terminally ill cancer patient.",
">\n\nYup. There's a saying, if you want to get rid of a bad law, enforce it.",
">\n\nI bet a dollar that the cops took the confiscated vape pen and edibles home with them for their own enjoyment.\nI knew a woman whose husband was a cop. He always had great weed. He stole it from people he was arresting.",
">\n\nShe told you that? Or he did? It would make me want to chop them in their throats, especially if they were saying it as an anecdote and smiling.",
">\n\nThat's not very Christmas-y.",
">\n\nBut very Christian",
">\n\nCan you imagine, ratting out a dying cancer patient, because of your own, antiquated ideas? i mean, whoever ratted him out, sat at home for Christmas with loved ones, while this man laid dying. Think of the obnoxious, self righteous, ignorant, uneducated, un-empathetic and lack of humility it takes to try and get a DYING patient a criminal record.",
">\n\nStory like these piss me off. All because someone feels more righteous. The man is dying, you should show some compassion. Scared of ignition with the oxygen there is electricity in the room",
">\n\nThe kind of person who would call the fucking police on a terminally ill cancer patient for using a harmless substance to ease their suffering is from the same group of people who think that we should be living in 1850.\nThere are waaaaaaay more asshole bigots in American healthcare than you realize.",
">\n\nHospital employee too weak to take vape pen from dying patient? WTF?",
">\n\nLand of the Free",
">\n\nCommon sense people, use it. They didn't need to arrest the money, waste of everyone's time and money.",
">\n\nKeeping us safe from all the bad guys…",
">\n\nWhile I don’t agree with the police response… they should never have been called in the first place. \nThis should absolutely be able to be managed by healthcare workers in a hospital environment and should be escalated to police/security only if staff threat then becomes an issue. I am doubtful that was a concern given that the person involved is being actively palliated. There was no mention of involved family members but that would be a consideration if it were the case. At face value, this appears as lazy unprofessional healthcare work.",
">\n\nIf you’re dying do what will, as long as it doesn’t hurt others. Like grandpa from little miss sunshine",
">\n\nIMO, we can extend this philosophy to living as well."
] |
>
Wtf? I can see where the hospital staff are coming from, smoking or otherwise is banned in hospitals for any number of reasons, but the cops charging the patient? That's just being overzealous.
|
[
"Aaah, smell the freedom in Kansas.",
">\n\nPack it up boys, job well done. Kansas is safe for another day.",
">\n\nBecause that was the greatest threat at hand. Fucking losers. Just like my state.",
">\n\nIt's stories like this that make me fantasize about being rich and having the power to hire a gaggle of journalists to investigate. I am sure this department neglected some important policing to be doing this bullshit that serves nobody.",
">\n\nGetting the low hanging fruit. Great job everyone!",
">\n\nThe hospital staff actually called the police over a vape pen (the article says that the patient isn't on oxygen -- if they were then their lungs would probably give out before a fire starts), then the cops actually organized and conducted a raid over it. How many stupid people were involved in making this stupid decision?",
">\n\nSome douchey hospital employee probably didn’t like the smell and decided to call the cops and sit back in the break room while they harassed a dying man. Of course they could have just talked to the guy, taken the vape pen, and let him use the edibles and paste",
">\n\nIf it’s a weed vape it doesn’t even leave behind a smell unless the dipshit nurse is in there sniffing the clouds of smoke trying to get secondhand baked.",
">\n\nThat’s a common misconception amongst heavy users. Vape pens do leave a lingering odor, although it doesn’t last as long and isn’t as pungent as when you burn flower.\nI don’t agree with the actions that were taken here, and you’re correct that you can’t get secondhand baked on vapor. I’m just pointing out that there is a smell that is present through any space where vaping extract is taking place, it fills the whole room.",
">\n\nSee also also: the invention of peppermint schnapps. Am I wasted or did I brush my teeth??",
">\n\nI don't think Peppermint Schnapps or Cherry Brandy has ever been sold to anyone without fake ID.",
">\n\nI think the negative publicity will ultimately benefit the cause, especially since this was a terminally ill cancer patient.",
">\n\nYup. There's a saying, if you want to get rid of a bad law, enforce it.",
">\n\nI bet a dollar that the cops took the confiscated vape pen and edibles home with them for their own enjoyment.\nI knew a woman whose husband was a cop. He always had great weed. He stole it from people he was arresting.",
">\n\nShe told you that? Or he did? It would make me want to chop them in their throats, especially if they were saying it as an anecdote and smiling.",
">\n\nThat's not very Christmas-y.",
">\n\nBut very Christian",
">\n\nCan you imagine, ratting out a dying cancer patient, because of your own, antiquated ideas? i mean, whoever ratted him out, sat at home for Christmas with loved ones, while this man laid dying. Think of the obnoxious, self righteous, ignorant, uneducated, un-empathetic and lack of humility it takes to try and get a DYING patient a criminal record.",
">\n\nStory like these piss me off. All because someone feels more righteous. The man is dying, you should show some compassion. Scared of ignition with the oxygen there is electricity in the room",
">\n\nThe kind of person who would call the fucking police on a terminally ill cancer patient for using a harmless substance to ease their suffering is from the same group of people who think that we should be living in 1850.\nThere are waaaaaaay more asshole bigots in American healthcare than you realize.",
">\n\nHospital employee too weak to take vape pen from dying patient? WTF?",
">\n\nLand of the Free",
">\n\nCommon sense people, use it. They didn't need to arrest the money, waste of everyone's time and money.",
">\n\nKeeping us safe from all the bad guys…",
">\n\nWhile I don’t agree with the police response… they should never have been called in the first place. \nThis should absolutely be able to be managed by healthcare workers in a hospital environment and should be escalated to police/security only if staff threat then becomes an issue. I am doubtful that was a concern given that the person involved is being actively palliated. There was no mention of involved family members but that would be a consideration if it were the case. At face value, this appears as lazy unprofessional healthcare work.",
">\n\nIf you’re dying do what will, as long as it doesn’t hurt others. Like grandpa from little miss sunshine",
">\n\nIMO, we can extend this philosophy to living as well.",
">\n\nI’m not completely against it"
] |
>
Wtf? I can see where the hospital staff are coming from, smoking or otherwise is banned in hospitals for any number of reasons, but the cops charging the patient? That's just being overzealous.
I can see taking his vape away if you really want to nitpick, but his edibles, come on man. This is ridiculous.
|
[
"Aaah, smell the freedom in Kansas.",
">\n\nPack it up boys, job well done. Kansas is safe for another day.",
">\n\nBecause that was the greatest threat at hand. Fucking losers. Just like my state.",
">\n\nIt's stories like this that make me fantasize about being rich and having the power to hire a gaggle of journalists to investigate. I am sure this department neglected some important policing to be doing this bullshit that serves nobody.",
">\n\nGetting the low hanging fruit. Great job everyone!",
">\n\nThe hospital staff actually called the police over a vape pen (the article says that the patient isn't on oxygen -- if they were then their lungs would probably give out before a fire starts), then the cops actually organized and conducted a raid over it. How many stupid people were involved in making this stupid decision?",
">\n\nSome douchey hospital employee probably didn’t like the smell and decided to call the cops and sit back in the break room while they harassed a dying man. Of course they could have just talked to the guy, taken the vape pen, and let him use the edibles and paste",
">\n\nIf it’s a weed vape it doesn’t even leave behind a smell unless the dipshit nurse is in there sniffing the clouds of smoke trying to get secondhand baked.",
">\n\nThat’s a common misconception amongst heavy users. Vape pens do leave a lingering odor, although it doesn’t last as long and isn’t as pungent as when you burn flower.\nI don’t agree with the actions that were taken here, and you’re correct that you can’t get secondhand baked on vapor. I’m just pointing out that there is a smell that is present through any space where vaping extract is taking place, it fills the whole room.",
">\n\nSee also also: the invention of peppermint schnapps. Am I wasted or did I brush my teeth??",
">\n\nI don't think Peppermint Schnapps or Cherry Brandy has ever been sold to anyone without fake ID.",
">\n\nI think the negative publicity will ultimately benefit the cause, especially since this was a terminally ill cancer patient.",
">\n\nYup. There's a saying, if you want to get rid of a bad law, enforce it.",
">\n\nI bet a dollar that the cops took the confiscated vape pen and edibles home with them for their own enjoyment.\nI knew a woman whose husband was a cop. He always had great weed. He stole it from people he was arresting.",
">\n\nShe told you that? Or he did? It would make me want to chop them in their throats, especially if they were saying it as an anecdote and smiling.",
">\n\nThat's not very Christmas-y.",
">\n\nBut very Christian",
">\n\nCan you imagine, ratting out a dying cancer patient, because of your own, antiquated ideas? i mean, whoever ratted him out, sat at home for Christmas with loved ones, while this man laid dying. Think of the obnoxious, self righteous, ignorant, uneducated, un-empathetic and lack of humility it takes to try and get a DYING patient a criminal record.",
">\n\nStory like these piss me off. All because someone feels more righteous. The man is dying, you should show some compassion. Scared of ignition with the oxygen there is electricity in the room",
">\n\nThe kind of person who would call the fucking police on a terminally ill cancer patient for using a harmless substance to ease their suffering is from the same group of people who think that we should be living in 1850.\nThere are waaaaaaay more asshole bigots in American healthcare than you realize.",
">\n\nHospital employee too weak to take vape pen from dying patient? WTF?",
">\n\nLand of the Free",
">\n\nCommon sense people, use it. They didn't need to arrest the money, waste of everyone's time and money.",
">\n\nKeeping us safe from all the bad guys…",
">\n\nWhile I don’t agree with the police response… they should never have been called in the first place. \nThis should absolutely be able to be managed by healthcare workers in a hospital environment and should be escalated to police/security only if staff threat then becomes an issue. I am doubtful that was a concern given that the person involved is being actively palliated. There was no mention of involved family members but that would be a consideration if it were the case. At face value, this appears as lazy unprofessional healthcare work.",
">\n\nIf you’re dying do what will, as long as it doesn’t hurt others. Like grandpa from little miss sunshine",
">\n\nIMO, we can extend this philosophy to living as well.",
">\n\nI’m not completely against it",
">\n\nWtf? I can see where the hospital staff are coming from, smoking or otherwise is banned in hospitals for any number of reasons, but the cops charging the patient? That's just being overzealous."
] |
>
"We're not in Kansas anymore!"
"Oh f8ck. We are still on Kansas. Damn it, Toto."
|
[
"Aaah, smell the freedom in Kansas.",
">\n\nPack it up boys, job well done. Kansas is safe for another day.",
">\n\nBecause that was the greatest threat at hand. Fucking losers. Just like my state.",
">\n\nIt's stories like this that make me fantasize about being rich and having the power to hire a gaggle of journalists to investigate. I am sure this department neglected some important policing to be doing this bullshit that serves nobody.",
">\n\nGetting the low hanging fruit. Great job everyone!",
">\n\nThe hospital staff actually called the police over a vape pen (the article says that the patient isn't on oxygen -- if they were then their lungs would probably give out before a fire starts), then the cops actually organized and conducted a raid over it. How many stupid people were involved in making this stupid decision?",
">\n\nSome douchey hospital employee probably didn’t like the smell and decided to call the cops and sit back in the break room while they harassed a dying man. Of course they could have just talked to the guy, taken the vape pen, and let him use the edibles and paste",
">\n\nIf it’s a weed vape it doesn’t even leave behind a smell unless the dipshit nurse is in there sniffing the clouds of smoke trying to get secondhand baked.",
">\n\nThat’s a common misconception amongst heavy users. Vape pens do leave a lingering odor, although it doesn’t last as long and isn’t as pungent as when you burn flower.\nI don’t agree with the actions that were taken here, and you’re correct that you can’t get secondhand baked on vapor. I’m just pointing out that there is a smell that is present through any space where vaping extract is taking place, it fills the whole room.",
">\n\nSee also also: the invention of peppermint schnapps. Am I wasted or did I brush my teeth??",
">\n\nI don't think Peppermint Schnapps or Cherry Brandy has ever been sold to anyone without fake ID.",
">\n\nI think the negative publicity will ultimately benefit the cause, especially since this was a terminally ill cancer patient.",
">\n\nYup. There's a saying, if you want to get rid of a bad law, enforce it.",
">\n\nI bet a dollar that the cops took the confiscated vape pen and edibles home with them for their own enjoyment.\nI knew a woman whose husband was a cop. He always had great weed. He stole it from people he was arresting.",
">\n\nShe told you that? Or he did? It would make me want to chop them in their throats, especially if they were saying it as an anecdote and smiling.",
">\n\nThat's not very Christmas-y.",
">\n\nBut very Christian",
">\n\nCan you imagine, ratting out a dying cancer patient, because of your own, antiquated ideas? i mean, whoever ratted him out, sat at home for Christmas with loved ones, while this man laid dying. Think of the obnoxious, self righteous, ignorant, uneducated, un-empathetic and lack of humility it takes to try and get a DYING patient a criminal record.",
">\n\nStory like these piss me off. All because someone feels more righteous. The man is dying, you should show some compassion. Scared of ignition with the oxygen there is electricity in the room",
">\n\nThe kind of person who would call the fucking police on a terminally ill cancer patient for using a harmless substance to ease their suffering is from the same group of people who think that we should be living in 1850.\nThere are waaaaaaay more asshole bigots in American healthcare than you realize.",
">\n\nHospital employee too weak to take vape pen from dying patient? WTF?",
">\n\nLand of the Free",
">\n\nCommon sense people, use it. They didn't need to arrest the money, waste of everyone's time and money.",
">\n\nKeeping us safe from all the bad guys…",
">\n\nWhile I don’t agree with the police response… they should never have been called in the first place. \nThis should absolutely be able to be managed by healthcare workers in a hospital environment and should be escalated to police/security only if staff threat then becomes an issue. I am doubtful that was a concern given that the person involved is being actively palliated. There was no mention of involved family members but that would be a consideration if it were the case. At face value, this appears as lazy unprofessional healthcare work.",
">\n\nIf you’re dying do what will, as long as it doesn’t hurt others. Like grandpa from little miss sunshine",
">\n\nIMO, we can extend this philosophy to living as well.",
">\n\nI’m not completely against it",
">\n\nWtf? I can see where the hospital staff are coming from, smoking or otherwise is banned in hospitals for any number of reasons, but the cops charging the patient? That's just being overzealous.",
">\n\n\nWtf? I can see where the hospital staff are coming from, smoking or otherwise is banned in hospitals for any number of reasons, but the cops charging the patient? That's just being overzealous.\n\nI can see taking his vape away if you really want to nitpick, but his edibles, come on man. This is ridiculous."
] |
>
Oh fateck?
|
[
"Aaah, smell the freedom in Kansas.",
">\n\nPack it up boys, job well done. Kansas is safe for another day.",
">\n\nBecause that was the greatest threat at hand. Fucking losers. Just like my state.",
">\n\nIt's stories like this that make me fantasize about being rich and having the power to hire a gaggle of journalists to investigate. I am sure this department neglected some important policing to be doing this bullshit that serves nobody.",
">\n\nGetting the low hanging fruit. Great job everyone!",
">\n\nThe hospital staff actually called the police over a vape pen (the article says that the patient isn't on oxygen -- if they were then their lungs would probably give out before a fire starts), then the cops actually organized and conducted a raid over it. How many stupid people were involved in making this stupid decision?",
">\n\nSome douchey hospital employee probably didn’t like the smell and decided to call the cops and sit back in the break room while they harassed a dying man. Of course they could have just talked to the guy, taken the vape pen, and let him use the edibles and paste",
">\n\nIf it’s a weed vape it doesn’t even leave behind a smell unless the dipshit nurse is in there sniffing the clouds of smoke trying to get secondhand baked.",
">\n\nThat’s a common misconception amongst heavy users. Vape pens do leave a lingering odor, although it doesn’t last as long and isn’t as pungent as when you burn flower.\nI don’t agree with the actions that were taken here, and you’re correct that you can’t get secondhand baked on vapor. I’m just pointing out that there is a smell that is present through any space where vaping extract is taking place, it fills the whole room.",
">\n\nSee also also: the invention of peppermint schnapps. Am I wasted or did I brush my teeth??",
">\n\nI don't think Peppermint Schnapps or Cherry Brandy has ever been sold to anyone without fake ID.",
">\n\nI think the negative publicity will ultimately benefit the cause, especially since this was a terminally ill cancer patient.",
">\n\nYup. There's a saying, if you want to get rid of a bad law, enforce it.",
">\n\nI bet a dollar that the cops took the confiscated vape pen and edibles home with them for their own enjoyment.\nI knew a woman whose husband was a cop. He always had great weed. He stole it from people he was arresting.",
">\n\nShe told you that? Or he did? It would make me want to chop them in their throats, especially if they were saying it as an anecdote and smiling.",
">\n\nThat's not very Christmas-y.",
">\n\nBut very Christian",
">\n\nCan you imagine, ratting out a dying cancer patient, because of your own, antiquated ideas? i mean, whoever ratted him out, sat at home for Christmas with loved ones, while this man laid dying. Think of the obnoxious, self righteous, ignorant, uneducated, un-empathetic and lack of humility it takes to try and get a DYING patient a criminal record.",
">\n\nStory like these piss me off. All because someone feels more righteous. The man is dying, you should show some compassion. Scared of ignition with the oxygen there is electricity in the room",
">\n\nThe kind of person who would call the fucking police on a terminally ill cancer patient for using a harmless substance to ease their suffering is from the same group of people who think that we should be living in 1850.\nThere are waaaaaaay more asshole bigots in American healthcare than you realize.",
">\n\nHospital employee too weak to take vape pen from dying patient? WTF?",
">\n\nLand of the Free",
">\n\nCommon sense people, use it. They didn't need to arrest the money, waste of everyone's time and money.",
">\n\nKeeping us safe from all the bad guys…",
">\n\nWhile I don’t agree with the police response… they should never have been called in the first place. \nThis should absolutely be able to be managed by healthcare workers in a hospital environment and should be escalated to police/security only if staff threat then becomes an issue. I am doubtful that was a concern given that the person involved is being actively palliated. There was no mention of involved family members but that would be a consideration if it were the case. At face value, this appears as lazy unprofessional healthcare work.",
">\n\nIf you’re dying do what will, as long as it doesn’t hurt others. Like grandpa from little miss sunshine",
">\n\nIMO, we can extend this philosophy to living as well.",
">\n\nI’m not completely against it",
">\n\nWtf? I can see where the hospital staff are coming from, smoking or otherwise is banned in hospitals for any number of reasons, but the cops charging the patient? That's just being overzealous.",
">\n\n\nWtf? I can see where the hospital staff are coming from, smoking or otherwise is banned in hospitals for any number of reasons, but the cops charging the patient? That's just being overzealous.\n\nI can see taking his vape away if you really want to nitpick, but his edibles, come on man. This is ridiculous.",
">\n\n\"We're not in Kansas anymore!\"\n\"Oh f8ck. We are still on Kansas. Damn it, Toto.\""
] |
>
Did Paul McCartney write this title? Who the fuck says"Christmastime".
And it's one word?!
Idk why but that weird really pisses me off.
|
[
"Aaah, smell the freedom in Kansas.",
">\n\nPack it up boys, job well done. Kansas is safe for another day.",
">\n\nBecause that was the greatest threat at hand. Fucking losers. Just like my state.",
">\n\nIt's stories like this that make me fantasize about being rich and having the power to hire a gaggle of journalists to investigate. I am sure this department neglected some important policing to be doing this bullshit that serves nobody.",
">\n\nGetting the low hanging fruit. Great job everyone!",
">\n\nThe hospital staff actually called the police over a vape pen (the article says that the patient isn't on oxygen -- if they were then their lungs would probably give out before a fire starts), then the cops actually organized and conducted a raid over it. How many stupid people were involved in making this stupid decision?",
">\n\nSome douchey hospital employee probably didn’t like the smell and decided to call the cops and sit back in the break room while they harassed a dying man. Of course they could have just talked to the guy, taken the vape pen, and let him use the edibles and paste",
">\n\nIf it’s a weed vape it doesn’t even leave behind a smell unless the dipshit nurse is in there sniffing the clouds of smoke trying to get secondhand baked.",
">\n\nThat’s a common misconception amongst heavy users. Vape pens do leave a lingering odor, although it doesn’t last as long and isn’t as pungent as when you burn flower.\nI don’t agree with the actions that were taken here, and you’re correct that you can’t get secondhand baked on vapor. I’m just pointing out that there is a smell that is present through any space where vaping extract is taking place, it fills the whole room.",
">\n\nSee also also: the invention of peppermint schnapps. Am I wasted or did I brush my teeth??",
">\n\nI don't think Peppermint Schnapps or Cherry Brandy has ever been sold to anyone without fake ID.",
">\n\nI think the negative publicity will ultimately benefit the cause, especially since this was a terminally ill cancer patient.",
">\n\nYup. There's a saying, if you want to get rid of a bad law, enforce it.",
">\n\nI bet a dollar that the cops took the confiscated vape pen and edibles home with them for their own enjoyment.\nI knew a woman whose husband was a cop. He always had great weed. He stole it from people he was arresting.",
">\n\nShe told you that? Or he did? It would make me want to chop them in their throats, especially if they were saying it as an anecdote and smiling.",
">\n\nThat's not very Christmas-y.",
">\n\nBut very Christian",
">\n\nCan you imagine, ratting out a dying cancer patient, because of your own, antiquated ideas? i mean, whoever ratted him out, sat at home for Christmas with loved ones, while this man laid dying. Think of the obnoxious, self righteous, ignorant, uneducated, un-empathetic and lack of humility it takes to try and get a DYING patient a criminal record.",
">\n\nStory like these piss me off. All because someone feels more righteous. The man is dying, you should show some compassion. Scared of ignition with the oxygen there is electricity in the room",
">\n\nThe kind of person who would call the fucking police on a terminally ill cancer patient for using a harmless substance to ease their suffering is from the same group of people who think that we should be living in 1850.\nThere are waaaaaaay more asshole bigots in American healthcare than you realize.",
">\n\nHospital employee too weak to take vape pen from dying patient? WTF?",
">\n\nLand of the Free",
">\n\nCommon sense people, use it. They didn't need to arrest the money, waste of everyone's time and money.",
">\n\nKeeping us safe from all the bad guys…",
">\n\nWhile I don’t agree with the police response… they should never have been called in the first place. \nThis should absolutely be able to be managed by healthcare workers in a hospital environment and should be escalated to police/security only if staff threat then becomes an issue. I am doubtful that was a concern given that the person involved is being actively palliated. There was no mention of involved family members but that would be a consideration if it were the case. At face value, this appears as lazy unprofessional healthcare work.",
">\n\nIf you’re dying do what will, as long as it doesn’t hurt others. Like grandpa from little miss sunshine",
">\n\nIMO, we can extend this philosophy to living as well.",
">\n\nI’m not completely against it",
">\n\nWtf? I can see where the hospital staff are coming from, smoking or otherwise is banned in hospitals for any number of reasons, but the cops charging the patient? That's just being overzealous.",
">\n\n\nWtf? I can see where the hospital staff are coming from, smoking or otherwise is banned in hospitals for any number of reasons, but the cops charging the patient? That's just being overzealous.\n\nI can see taking his vape away if you really want to nitpick, but his edibles, come on man. This is ridiculous.",
">\n\n\"We're not in Kansas anymore!\"\n\"Oh f8ck. We are still on Kansas. Damn it, Toto.\"",
">\n\nOh fateck?"
] |
>
Police really providing good public service here and safeguarding the public safety.
|
[
"Aaah, smell the freedom in Kansas.",
">\n\nPack it up boys, job well done. Kansas is safe for another day.",
">\n\nBecause that was the greatest threat at hand. Fucking losers. Just like my state.",
">\n\nIt's stories like this that make me fantasize about being rich and having the power to hire a gaggle of journalists to investigate. I am sure this department neglected some important policing to be doing this bullshit that serves nobody.",
">\n\nGetting the low hanging fruit. Great job everyone!",
">\n\nThe hospital staff actually called the police over a vape pen (the article says that the patient isn't on oxygen -- if they were then their lungs would probably give out before a fire starts), then the cops actually organized and conducted a raid over it. How many stupid people were involved in making this stupid decision?",
">\n\nSome douchey hospital employee probably didn’t like the smell and decided to call the cops and sit back in the break room while they harassed a dying man. Of course they could have just talked to the guy, taken the vape pen, and let him use the edibles and paste",
">\n\nIf it’s a weed vape it doesn’t even leave behind a smell unless the dipshit nurse is in there sniffing the clouds of smoke trying to get secondhand baked.",
">\n\nThat’s a common misconception amongst heavy users. Vape pens do leave a lingering odor, although it doesn’t last as long and isn’t as pungent as when you burn flower.\nI don’t agree with the actions that were taken here, and you’re correct that you can’t get secondhand baked on vapor. I’m just pointing out that there is a smell that is present through any space where vaping extract is taking place, it fills the whole room.",
">\n\nSee also also: the invention of peppermint schnapps. Am I wasted or did I brush my teeth??",
">\n\nI don't think Peppermint Schnapps or Cherry Brandy has ever been sold to anyone without fake ID.",
">\n\nI think the negative publicity will ultimately benefit the cause, especially since this was a terminally ill cancer patient.",
">\n\nYup. There's a saying, if you want to get rid of a bad law, enforce it.",
">\n\nI bet a dollar that the cops took the confiscated vape pen and edibles home with them for their own enjoyment.\nI knew a woman whose husband was a cop. He always had great weed. He stole it from people he was arresting.",
">\n\nShe told you that? Or he did? It would make me want to chop them in their throats, especially if they were saying it as an anecdote and smiling.",
">\n\nThat's not very Christmas-y.",
">\n\nBut very Christian",
">\n\nCan you imagine, ratting out a dying cancer patient, because of your own, antiquated ideas? i mean, whoever ratted him out, sat at home for Christmas with loved ones, while this man laid dying. Think of the obnoxious, self righteous, ignorant, uneducated, un-empathetic and lack of humility it takes to try and get a DYING patient a criminal record.",
">\n\nStory like these piss me off. All because someone feels more righteous. The man is dying, you should show some compassion. Scared of ignition with the oxygen there is electricity in the room",
">\n\nThe kind of person who would call the fucking police on a terminally ill cancer patient for using a harmless substance to ease their suffering is from the same group of people who think that we should be living in 1850.\nThere are waaaaaaay more asshole bigots in American healthcare than you realize.",
">\n\nHospital employee too weak to take vape pen from dying patient? WTF?",
">\n\nLand of the Free",
">\n\nCommon sense people, use it. They didn't need to arrest the money, waste of everyone's time and money.",
">\n\nKeeping us safe from all the bad guys…",
">\n\nWhile I don’t agree with the police response… they should never have been called in the first place. \nThis should absolutely be able to be managed by healthcare workers in a hospital environment and should be escalated to police/security only if staff threat then becomes an issue. I am doubtful that was a concern given that the person involved is being actively palliated. There was no mention of involved family members but that would be a consideration if it were the case. At face value, this appears as lazy unprofessional healthcare work.",
">\n\nIf you’re dying do what will, as long as it doesn’t hurt others. Like grandpa from little miss sunshine",
">\n\nIMO, we can extend this philosophy to living as well.",
">\n\nI’m not completely against it",
">\n\nWtf? I can see where the hospital staff are coming from, smoking or otherwise is banned in hospitals for any number of reasons, but the cops charging the patient? That's just being overzealous.",
">\n\n\nWtf? I can see where the hospital staff are coming from, smoking or otherwise is banned in hospitals for any number of reasons, but the cops charging the patient? That's just being overzealous.\n\nI can see taking his vape away if you really want to nitpick, but his edibles, come on man. This is ridiculous.",
">\n\n\"We're not in Kansas anymore!\"\n\"Oh f8ck. We are still on Kansas. Damn it, Toto.\"",
">\n\nOh fateck?",
">\n\nDid Paul McCartney write this title? Who the fuck says\"Christmastime\".\nAnd it's one word?!\nIdk why but that weird really pisses me off."
] |
>
Whoever authorized this “raid” should be removed from duty immediately. Clearly they are unfit for a leadership role. Disgraceful.
|
[
"Aaah, smell the freedom in Kansas.",
">\n\nPack it up boys, job well done. Kansas is safe for another day.",
">\n\nBecause that was the greatest threat at hand. Fucking losers. Just like my state.",
">\n\nIt's stories like this that make me fantasize about being rich and having the power to hire a gaggle of journalists to investigate. I am sure this department neglected some important policing to be doing this bullshit that serves nobody.",
">\n\nGetting the low hanging fruit. Great job everyone!",
">\n\nThe hospital staff actually called the police over a vape pen (the article says that the patient isn't on oxygen -- if they were then their lungs would probably give out before a fire starts), then the cops actually organized and conducted a raid over it. How many stupid people were involved in making this stupid decision?",
">\n\nSome douchey hospital employee probably didn’t like the smell and decided to call the cops and sit back in the break room while they harassed a dying man. Of course they could have just talked to the guy, taken the vape pen, and let him use the edibles and paste",
">\n\nIf it’s a weed vape it doesn’t even leave behind a smell unless the dipshit nurse is in there sniffing the clouds of smoke trying to get secondhand baked.",
">\n\nThat’s a common misconception amongst heavy users. Vape pens do leave a lingering odor, although it doesn’t last as long and isn’t as pungent as when you burn flower.\nI don’t agree with the actions that were taken here, and you’re correct that you can’t get secondhand baked on vapor. I’m just pointing out that there is a smell that is present through any space where vaping extract is taking place, it fills the whole room.",
">\n\nSee also also: the invention of peppermint schnapps. Am I wasted or did I brush my teeth??",
">\n\nI don't think Peppermint Schnapps or Cherry Brandy has ever been sold to anyone without fake ID.",
">\n\nI think the negative publicity will ultimately benefit the cause, especially since this was a terminally ill cancer patient.",
">\n\nYup. There's a saying, if you want to get rid of a bad law, enforce it.",
">\n\nI bet a dollar that the cops took the confiscated vape pen and edibles home with them for their own enjoyment.\nI knew a woman whose husband was a cop. He always had great weed. He stole it from people he was arresting.",
">\n\nShe told you that? Or he did? It would make me want to chop them in their throats, especially if they were saying it as an anecdote and smiling.",
">\n\nThat's not very Christmas-y.",
">\n\nBut very Christian",
">\n\nCan you imagine, ratting out a dying cancer patient, because of your own, antiquated ideas? i mean, whoever ratted him out, sat at home for Christmas with loved ones, while this man laid dying. Think of the obnoxious, self righteous, ignorant, uneducated, un-empathetic and lack of humility it takes to try and get a DYING patient a criminal record.",
">\n\nStory like these piss me off. All because someone feels more righteous. The man is dying, you should show some compassion. Scared of ignition with the oxygen there is electricity in the room",
">\n\nThe kind of person who would call the fucking police on a terminally ill cancer patient for using a harmless substance to ease their suffering is from the same group of people who think that we should be living in 1850.\nThere are waaaaaaay more asshole bigots in American healthcare than you realize.",
">\n\nHospital employee too weak to take vape pen from dying patient? WTF?",
">\n\nLand of the Free",
">\n\nCommon sense people, use it. They didn't need to arrest the money, waste of everyone's time and money.",
">\n\nKeeping us safe from all the bad guys…",
">\n\nWhile I don’t agree with the police response… they should never have been called in the first place. \nThis should absolutely be able to be managed by healthcare workers in a hospital environment and should be escalated to police/security only if staff threat then becomes an issue. I am doubtful that was a concern given that the person involved is being actively palliated. There was no mention of involved family members but that would be a consideration if it were the case. At face value, this appears as lazy unprofessional healthcare work.",
">\n\nIf you’re dying do what will, as long as it doesn’t hurt others. Like grandpa from little miss sunshine",
">\n\nIMO, we can extend this philosophy to living as well.",
">\n\nI’m not completely against it",
">\n\nWtf? I can see where the hospital staff are coming from, smoking or otherwise is banned in hospitals for any number of reasons, but the cops charging the patient? That's just being overzealous.",
">\n\n\nWtf? I can see where the hospital staff are coming from, smoking or otherwise is banned in hospitals for any number of reasons, but the cops charging the patient? That's just being overzealous.\n\nI can see taking his vape away if you really want to nitpick, but his edibles, come on man. This is ridiculous.",
">\n\n\"We're not in Kansas anymore!\"\n\"Oh f8ck. We are still on Kansas. Damn it, Toto.\"",
">\n\nOh fateck?",
">\n\nDid Paul McCartney write this title? Who the fuck says\"Christmastime\".\nAnd it's one word?!\nIdk why but that weird really pisses me off.",
">\n\nPolice really providing good public service here and safeguarding the public safety."
] |
>
It wasn't a raid.
The hospital called the police, and the police responded.
|
[
"Aaah, smell the freedom in Kansas.",
">\n\nPack it up boys, job well done. Kansas is safe for another day.",
">\n\nBecause that was the greatest threat at hand. Fucking losers. Just like my state.",
">\n\nIt's stories like this that make me fantasize about being rich and having the power to hire a gaggle of journalists to investigate. I am sure this department neglected some important policing to be doing this bullshit that serves nobody.",
">\n\nGetting the low hanging fruit. Great job everyone!",
">\n\nThe hospital staff actually called the police over a vape pen (the article says that the patient isn't on oxygen -- if they were then their lungs would probably give out before a fire starts), then the cops actually organized and conducted a raid over it. How many stupid people were involved in making this stupid decision?",
">\n\nSome douchey hospital employee probably didn’t like the smell and decided to call the cops and sit back in the break room while they harassed a dying man. Of course they could have just talked to the guy, taken the vape pen, and let him use the edibles and paste",
">\n\nIf it’s a weed vape it doesn’t even leave behind a smell unless the dipshit nurse is in there sniffing the clouds of smoke trying to get secondhand baked.",
">\n\nThat’s a common misconception amongst heavy users. Vape pens do leave a lingering odor, although it doesn’t last as long and isn’t as pungent as when you burn flower.\nI don’t agree with the actions that were taken here, and you’re correct that you can’t get secondhand baked on vapor. I’m just pointing out that there is a smell that is present through any space where vaping extract is taking place, it fills the whole room.",
">\n\nSee also also: the invention of peppermint schnapps. Am I wasted or did I brush my teeth??",
">\n\nI don't think Peppermint Schnapps or Cherry Brandy has ever been sold to anyone without fake ID.",
">\n\nI think the negative publicity will ultimately benefit the cause, especially since this was a terminally ill cancer patient.",
">\n\nYup. There's a saying, if you want to get rid of a bad law, enforce it.",
">\n\nI bet a dollar that the cops took the confiscated vape pen and edibles home with them for their own enjoyment.\nI knew a woman whose husband was a cop. He always had great weed. He stole it from people he was arresting.",
">\n\nShe told you that? Or he did? It would make me want to chop them in their throats, especially if they were saying it as an anecdote and smiling.",
">\n\nThat's not very Christmas-y.",
">\n\nBut very Christian",
">\n\nCan you imagine, ratting out a dying cancer patient, because of your own, antiquated ideas? i mean, whoever ratted him out, sat at home for Christmas with loved ones, while this man laid dying. Think of the obnoxious, self righteous, ignorant, uneducated, un-empathetic and lack of humility it takes to try and get a DYING patient a criminal record.",
">\n\nStory like these piss me off. All because someone feels more righteous. The man is dying, you should show some compassion. Scared of ignition with the oxygen there is electricity in the room",
">\n\nThe kind of person who would call the fucking police on a terminally ill cancer patient for using a harmless substance to ease their suffering is from the same group of people who think that we should be living in 1850.\nThere are waaaaaaay more asshole bigots in American healthcare than you realize.",
">\n\nHospital employee too weak to take vape pen from dying patient? WTF?",
">\n\nLand of the Free",
">\n\nCommon sense people, use it. They didn't need to arrest the money, waste of everyone's time and money.",
">\n\nKeeping us safe from all the bad guys…",
">\n\nWhile I don’t agree with the police response… they should never have been called in the first place. \nThis should absolutely be able to be managed by healthcare workers in a hospital environment and should be escalated to police/security only if staff threat then becomes an issue. I am doubtful that was a concern given that the person involved is being actively palliated. There was no mention of involved family members but that would be a consideration if it were the case. At face value, this appears as lazy unprofessional healthcare work.",
">\n\nIf you’re dying do what will, as long as it doesn’t hurt others. Like grandpa from little miss sunshine",
">\n\nIMO, we can extend this philosophy to living as well.",
">\n\nI’m not completely against it",
">\n\nWtf? I can see where the hospital staff are coming from, smoking or otherwise is banned in hospitals for any number of reasons, but the cops charging the patient? That's just being overzealous.",
">\n\n\nWtf? I can see where the hospital staff are coming from, smoking or otherwise is banned in hospitals for any number of reasons, but the cops charging the patient? That's just being overzealous.\n\nI can see taking his vape away if you really want to nitpick, but his edibles, come on man. This is ridiculous.",
">\n\n\"We're not in Kansas anymore!\"\n\"Oh f8ck. We are still on Kansas. Damn it, Toto.\"",
">\n\nOh fateck?",
">\n\nDid Paul McCartney write this title? Who the fuck says\"Christmastime\".\nAnd it's one word?!\nIdk why but that weird really pisses me off.",
">\n\nPolice really providing good public service here and safeguarding the public safety.",
">\n\nWhoever authorized this “raid” should be removed from duty immediately. Clearly they are unfit for a leadership role. Disgraceful."
] |
>
They responded with an organized raid.
|
[
"Aaah, smell the freedom in Kansas.",
">\n\nPack it up boys, job well done. Kansas is safe for another day.",
">\n\nBecause that was the greatest threat at hand. Fucking losers. Just like my state.",
">\n\nIt's stories like this that make me fantasize about being rich and having the power to hire a gaggle of journalists to investigate. I am sure this department neglected some important policing to be doing this bullshit that serves nobody.",
">\n\nGetting the low hanging fruit. Great job everyone!",
">\n\nThe hospital staff actually called the police over a vape pen (the article says that the patient isn't on oxygen -- if they were then their lungs would probably give out before a fire starts), then the cops actually organized and conducted a raid over it. How many stupid people were involved in making this stupid decision?",
">\n\nSome douchey hospital employee probably didn’t like the smell and decided to call the cops and sit back in the break room while they harassed a dying man. Of course they could have just talked to the guy, taken the vape pen, and let him use the edibles and paste",
">\n\nIf it’s a weed vape it doesn’t even leave behind a smell unless the dipshit nurse is in there sniffing the clouds of smoke trying to get secondhand baked.",
">\n\nThat’s a common misconception amongst heavy users. Vape pens do leave a lingering odor, although it doesn’t last as long and isn’t as pungent as when you burn flower.\nI don’t agree with the actions that were taken here, and you’re correct that you can’t get secondhand baked on vapor. I’m just pointing out that there is a smell that is present through any space where vaping extract is taking place, it fills the whole room.",
">\n\nSee also also: the invention of peppermint schnapps. Am I wasted or did I brush my teeth??",
">\n\nI don't think Peppermint Schnapps or Cherry Brandy has ever been sold to anyone without fake ID.",
">\n\nI think the negative publicity will ultimately benefit the cause, especially since this was a terminally ill cancer patient.",
">\n\nYup. There's a saying, if you want to get rid of a bad law, enforce it.",
">\n\nI bet a dollar that the cops took the confiscated vape pen and edibles home with them for their own enjoyment.\nI knew a woman whose husband was a cop. He always had great weed. He stole it from people he was arresting.",
">\n\nShe told you that? Or he did? It would make me want to chop them in their throats, especially if they were saying it as an anecdote and smiling.",
">\n\nThat's not very Christmas-y.",
">\n\nBut very Christian",
">\n\nCan you imagine, ratting out a dying cancer patient, because of your own, antiquated ideas? i mean, whoever ratted him out, sat at home for Christmas with loved ones, while this man laid dying. Think of the obnoxious, self righteous, ignorant, uneducated, un-empathetic and lack of humility it takes to try and get a DYING patient a criminal record.",
">\n\nStory like these piss me off. All because someone feels more righteous. The man is dying, you should show some compassion. Scared of ignition with the oxygen there is electricity in the room",
">\n\nThe kind of person who would call the fucking police on a terminally ill cancer patient for using a harmless substance to ease their suffering is from the same group of people who think that we should be living in 1850.\nThere are waaaaaaay more asshole bigots in American healthcare than you realize.",
">\n\nHospital employee too weak to take vape pen from dying patient? WTF?",
">\n\nLand of the Free",
">\n\nCommon sense people, use it. They didn't need to arrest the money, waste of everyone's time and money.",
">\n\nKeeping us safe from all the bad guys…",
">\n\nWhile I don’t agree with the police response… they should never have been called in the first place. \nThis should absolutely be able to be managed by healthcare workers in a hospital environment and should be escalated to police/security only if staff threat then becomes an issue. I am doubtful that was a concern given that the person involved is being actively palliated. There was no mention of involved family members but that would be a consideration if it were the case. At face value, this appears as lazy unprofessional healthcare work.",
">\n\nIf you’re dying do what will, as long as it doesn’t hurt others. Like grandpa from little miss sunshine",
">\n\nIMO, we can extend this philosophy to living as well.",
">\n\nI’m not completely against it",
">\n\nWtf? I can see where the hospital staff are coming from, smoking or otherwise is banned in hospitals for any number of reasons, but the cops charging the patient? That's just being overzealous.",
">\n\n\nWtf? I can see where the hospital staff are coming from, smoking or otherwise is banned in hospitals for any number of reasons, but the cops charging the patient? That's just being overzealous.\n\nI can see taking his vape away if you really want to nitpick, but his edibles, come on man. This is ridiculous.",
">\n\n\"We're not in Kansas anymore!\"\n\"Oh f8ck. We are still on Kansas. Damn it, Toto.\"",
">\n\nOh fateck?",
">\n\nDid Paul McCartney write this title? Who the fuck says\"Christmastime\".\nAnd it's one word?!\nIdk why but that weird really pisses me off.",
">\n\nPolice really providing good public service here and safeguarding the public safety.",
">\n\nWhoever authorized this “raid” should be removed from duty immediately. Clearly they are unfit for a leadership role. Disgraceful.",
">\n\nIt wasn't a raid.\nThe hospital called the police, and the police responded."
] |
>
What constitutes a raid?
Did the SWAT team respond, or did a few officers knock on the door, and talk to him?
|
[
"Aaah, smell the freedom in Kansas.",
">\n\nPack it up boys, job well done. Kansas is safe for another day.",
">\n\nBecause that was the greatest threat at hand. Fucking losers. Just like my state.",
">\n\nIt's stories like this that make me fantasize about being rich and having the power to hire a gaggle of journalists to investigate. I am sure this department neglected some important policing to be doing this bullshit that serves nobody.",
">\n\nGetting the low hanging fruit. Great job everyone!",
">\n\nThe hospital staff actually called the police over a vape pen (the article says that the patient isn't on oxygen -- if they were then their lungs would probably give out before a fire starts), then the cops actually organized and conducted a raid over it. How many stupid people were involved in making this stupid decision?",
">\n\nSome douchey hospital employee probably didn’t like the smell and decided to call the cops and sit back in the break room while they harassed a dying man. Of course they could have just talked to the guy, taken the vape pen, and let him use the edibles and paste",
">\n\nIf it’s a weed vape it doesn’t even leave behind a smell unless the dipshit nurse is in there sniffing the clouds of smoke trying to get secondhand baked.",
">\n\nThat’s a common misconception amongst heavy users. Vape pens do leave a lingering odor, although it doesn’t last as long and isn’t as pungent as when you burn flower.\nI don’t agree with the actions that were taken here, and you’re correct that you can’t get secondhand baked on vapor. I’m just pointing out that there is a smell that is present through any space where vaping extract is taking place, it fills the whole room.",
">\n\nSee also also: the invention of peppermint schnapps. Am I wasted or did I brush my teeth??",
">\n\nI don't think Peppermint Schnapps or Cherry Brandy has ever been sold to anyone without fake ID.",
">\n\nI think the negative publicity will ultimately benefit the cause, especially since this was a terminally ill cancer patient.",
">\n\nYup. There's a saying, if you want to get rid of a bad law, enforce it.",
">\n\nI bet a dollar that the cops took the confiscated vape pen and edibles home with them for their own enjoyment.\nI knew a woman whose husband was a cop. He always had great weed. He stole it from people he was arresting.",
">\n\nShe told you that? Or he did? It would make me want to chop them in their throats, especially if they were saying it as an anecdote and smiling.",
">\n\nThat's not very Christmas-y.",
">\n\nBut very Christian",
">\n\nCan you imagine, ratting out a dying cancer patient, because of your own, antiquated ideas? i mean, whoever ratted him out, sat at home for Christmas with loved ones, while this man laid dying. Think of the obnoxious, self righteous, ignorant, uneducated, un-empathetic and lack of humility it takes to try and get a DYING patient a criminal record.",
">\n\nStory like these piss me off. All because someone feels more righteous. The man is dying, you should show some compassion. Scared of ignition with the oxygen there is electricity in the room",
">\n\nThe kind of person who would call the fucking police on a terminally ill cancer patient for using a harmless substance to ease their suffering is from the same group of people who think that we should be living in 1850.\nThere are waaaaaaay more asshole bigots in American healthcare than you realize.",
">\n\nHospital employee too weak to take vape pen from dying patient? WTF?",
">\n\nLand of the Free",
">\n\nCommon sense people, use it. They didn't need to arrest the money, waste of everyone's time and money.",
">\n\nKeeping us safe from all the bad guys…",
">\n\nWhile I don’t agree with the police response… they should never have been called in the first place. \nThis should absolutely be able to be managed by healthcare workers in a hospital environment and should be escalated to police/security only if staff threat then becomes an issue. I am doubtful that was a concern given that the person involved is being actively palliated. There was no mention of involved family members but that would be a consideration if it were the case. At face value, this appears as lazy unprofessional healthcare work.",
">\n\nIf you’re dying do what will, as long as it doesn’t hurt others. Like grandpa from little miss sunshine",
">\n\nIMO, we can extend this philosophy to living as well.",
">\n\nI’m not completely against it",
">\n\nWtf? I can see where the hospital staff are coming from, smoking or otherwise is banned in hospitals for any number of reasons, but the cops charging the patient? That's just being overzealous.",
">\n\n\nWtf? I can see where the hospital staff are coming from, smoking or otherwise is banned in hospitals for any number of reasons, but the cops charging the patient? That's just being overzealous.\n\nI can see taking his vape away if you really want to nitpick, but his edibles, come on man. This is ridiculous.",
">\n\n\"We're not in Kansas anymore!\"\n\"Oh f8ck. We are still on Kansas. Damn it, Toto.\"",
">\n\nOh fateck?",
">\n\nDid Paul McCartney write this title? Who the fuck says\"Christmastime\".\nAnd it's one word?!\nIdk why but that weird really pisses me off.",
">\n\nPolice really providing good public service here and safeguarding the public safety.",
">\n\nWhoever authorized this “raid” should be removed from duty immediately. Clearly they are unfit for a leadership role. Disgraceful.",
">\n\nIt wasn't a raid.\nThe hospital called the police, and the police responded.",
">\n\nThey responded with an organized raid."
] |
>
Did the police respond with more than a single officer? Absolutely no reason to have anything more than a check in by a LE officer. Wasting police resources to do more than that.
|
[
"Aaah, smell the freedom in Kansas.",
">\n\nPack it up boys, job well done. Kansas is safe for another day.",
">\n\nBecause that was the greatest threat at hand. Fucking losers. Just like my state.",
">\n\nIt's stories like this that make me fantasize about being rich and having the power to hire a gaggle of journalists to investigate. I am sure this department neglected some important policing to be doing this bullshit that serves nobody.",
">\n\nGetting the low hanging fruit. Great job everyone!",
">\n\nThe hospital staff actually called the police over a vape pen (the article says that the patient isn't on oxygen -- if they were then their lungs would probably give out before a fire starts), then the cops actually organized and conducted a raid over it. How many stupid people were involved in making this stupid decision?",
">\n\nSome douchey hospital employee probably didn’t like the smell and decided to call the cops and sit back in the break room while they harassed a dying man. Of course they could have just talked to the guy, taken the vape pen, and let him use the edibles and paste",
">\n\nIf it’s a weed vape it doesn’t even leave behind a smell unless the dipshit nurse is in there sniffing the clouds of smoke trying to get secondhand baked.",
">\n\nThat’s a common misconception amongst heavy users. Vape pens do leave a lingering odor, although it doesn’t last as long and isn’t as pungent as when you burn flower.\nI don’t agree with the actions that were taken here, and you’re correct that you can’t get secondhand baked on vapor. I’m just pointing out that there is a smell that is present through any space where vaping extract is taking place, it fills the whole room.",
">\n\nSee also also: the invention of peppermint schnapps. Am I wasted or did I brush my teeth??",
">\n\nI don't think Peppermint Schnapps or Cherry Brandy has ever been sold to anyone without fake ID.",
">\n\nI think the negative publicity will ultimately benefit the cause, especially since this was a terminally ill cancer patient.",
">\n\nYup. There's a saying, if you want to get rid of a bad law, enforce it.",
">\n\nI bet a dollar that the cops took the confiscated vape pen and edibles home with them for their own enjoyment.\nI knew a woman whose husband was a cop. He always had great weed. He stole it from people he was arresting.",
">\n\nShe told you that? Or he did? It would make me want to chop them in their throats, especially if they were saying it as an anecdote and smiling.",
">\n\nThat's not very Christmas-y.",
">\n\nBut very Christian",
">\n\nCan you imagine, ratting out a dying cancer patient, because of your own, antiquated ideas? i mean, whoever ratted him out, sat at home for Christmas with loved ones, while this man laid dying. Think of the obnoxious, self righteous, ignorant, uneducated, un-empathetic and lack of humility it takes to try and get a DYING patient a criminal record.",
">\n\nStory like these piss me off. All because someone feels more righteous. The man is dying, you should show some compassion. Scared of ignition with the oxygen there is electricity in the room",
">\n\nThe kind of person who would call the fucking police on a terminally ill cancer patient for using a harmless substance to ease their suffering is from the same group of people who think that we should be living in 1850.\nThere are waaaaaaay more asshole bigots in American healthcare than you realize.",
">\n\nHospital employee too weak to take vape pen from dying patient? WTF?",
">\n\nLand of the Free",
">\n\nCommon sense people, use it. They didn't need to arrest the money, waste of everyone's time and money.",
">\n\nKeeping us safe from all the bad guys…",
">\n\nWhile I don’t agree with the police response… they should never have been called in the first place. \nThis should absolutely be able to be managed by healthcare workers in a hospital environment and should be escalated to police/security only if staff threat then becomes an issue. I am doubtful that was a concern given that the person involved is being actively palliated. There was no mention of involved family members but that would be a consideration if it were the case. At face value, this appears as lazy unprofessional healthcare work.",
">\n\nIf you’re dying do what will, as long as it doesn’t hurt others. Like grandpa from little miss sunshine",
">\n\nIMO, we can extend this philosophy to living as well.",
">\n\nI’m not completely against it",
">\n\nWtf? I can see where the hospital staff are coming from, smoking or otherwise is banned in hospitals for any number of reasons, but the cops charging the patient? That's just being overzealous.",
">\n\n\nWtf? I can see where the hospital staff are coming from, smoking or otherwise is banned in hospitals for any number of reasons, but the cops charging the patient? That's just being overzealous.\n\nI can see taking his vape away if you really want to nitpick, but his edibles, come on man. This is ridiculous.",
">\n\n\"We're not in Kansas anymore!\"\n\"Oh f8ck. We are still on Kansas. Damn it, Toto.\"",
">\n\nOh fateck?",
">\n\nDid Paul McCartney write this title? Who the fuck says\"Christmastime\".\nAnd it's one word?!\nIdk why but that weird really pisses me off.",
">\n\nPolice really providing good public service here and safeguarding the public safety.",
">\n\nWhoever authorized this “raid” should be removed from duty immediately. Clearly they are unfit for a leadership role. Disgraceful.",
">\n\nIt wasn't a raid.\nThe hospital called the police, and the police responded.",
">\n\nThey responded with an organized raid.",
">\n\nWhat constitutes a raid?\nDid the SWAT team respond, or did a few officers knock on the door, and talk to him?"
] |
>
now now, the patient may have resisted or had a knife.
/s
|
[
"Aaah, smell the freedom in Kansas.",
">\n\nPack it up boys, job well done. Kansas is safe for another day.",
">\n\nBecause that was the greatest threat at hand. Fucking losers. Just like my state.",
">\n\nIt's stories like this that make me fantasize about being rich and having the power to hire a gaggle of journalists to investigate. I am sure this department neglected some important policing to be doing this bullshit that serves nobody.",
">\n\nGetting the low hanging fruit. Great job everyone!",
">\n\nThe hospital staff actually called the police over a vape pen (the article says that the patient isn't on oxygen -- if they were then their lungs would probably give out before a fire starts), then the cops actually organized and conducted a raid over it. How many stupid people were involved in making this stupid decision?",
">\n\nSome douchey hospital employee probably didn’t like the smell and decided to call the cops and sit back in the break room while they harassed a dying man. Of course they could have just talked to the guy, taken the vape pen, and let him use the edibles and paste",
">\n\nIf it’s a weed vape it doesn’t even leave behind a smell unless the dipshit nurse is in there sniffing the clouds of smoke trying to get secondhand baked.",
">\n\nThat’s a common misconception amongst heavy users. Vape pens do leave a lingering odor, although it doesn’t last as long and isn’t as pungent as when you burn flower.\nI don’t agree with the actions that were taken here, and you’re correct that you can’t get secondhand baked on vapor. I’m just pointing out that there is a smell that is present through any space where vaping extract is taking place, it fills the whole room.",
">\n\nSee also also: the invention of peppermint schnapps. Am I wasted or did I brush my teeth??",
">\n\nI don't think Peppermint Schnapps or Cherry Brandy has ever been sold to anyone without fake ID.",
">\n\nI think the negative publicity will ultimately benefit the cause, especially since this was a terminally ill cancer patient.",
">\n\nYup. There's a saying, if you want to get rid of a bad law, enforce it.",
">\n\nI bet a dollar that the cops took the confiscated vape pen and edibles home with them for their own enjoyment.\nI knew a woman whose husband was a cop. He always had great weed. He stole it from people he was arresting.",
">\n\nShe told you that? Or he did? It would make me want to chop them in their throats, especially if they were saying it as an anecdote and smiling.",
">\n\nThat's not very Christmas-y.",
">\n\nBut very Christian",
">\n\nCan you imagine, ratting out a dying cancer patient, because of your own, antiquated ideas? i mean, whoever ratted him out, sat at home for Christmas with loved ones, while this man laid dying. Think of the obnoxious, self righteous, ignorant, uneducated, un-empathetic and lack of humility it takes to try and get a DYING patient a criminal record.",
">\n\nStory like these piss me off. All because someone feels more righteous. The man is dying, you should show some compassion. Scared of ignition with the oxygen there is electricity in the room",
">\n\nThe kind of person who would call the fucking police on a terminally ill cancer patient for using a harmless substance to ease their suffering is from the same group of people who think that we should be living in 1850.\nThere are waaaaaaay more asshole bigots in American healthcare than you realize.",
">\n\nHospital employee too weak to take vape pen from dying patient? WTF?",
">\n\nLand of the Free",
">\n\nCommon sense people, use it. They didn't need to arrest the money, waste of everyone's time and money.",
">\n\nKeeping us safe from all the bad guys…",
">\n\nWhile I don’t agree with the police response… they should never have been called in the first place. \nThis should absolutely be able to be managed by healthcare workers in a hospital environment and should be escalated to police/security only if staff threat then becomes an issue. I am doubtful that was a concern given that the person involved is being actively palliated. There was no mention of involved family members but that would be a consideration if it were the case. At face value, this appears as lazy unprofessional healthcare work.",
">\n\nIf you’re dying do what will, as long as it doesn’t hurt others. Like grandpa from little miss sunshine",
">\n\nIMO, we can extend this philosophy to living as well.",
">\n\nI’m not completely against it",
">\n\nWtf? I can see where the hospital staff are coming from, smoking or otherwise is banned in hospitals for any number of reasons, but the cops charging the patient? That's just being overzealous.",
">\n\n\nWtf? I can see where the hospital staff are coming from, smoking or otherwise is banned in hospitals for any number of reasons, but the cops charging the patient? That's just being overzealous.\n\nI can see taking his vape away if you really want to nitpick, but his edibles, come on man. This is ridiculous.",
">\n\n\"We're not in Kansas anymore!\"\n\"Oh f8ck. We are still on Kansas. Damn it, Toto.\"",
">\n\nOh fateck?",
">\n\nDid Paul McCartney write this title? Who the fuck says\"Christmastime\".\nAnd it's one word?!\nIdk why but that weird really pisses me off.",
">\n\nPolice really providing good public service here and safeguarding the public safety.",
">\n\nWhoever authorized this “raid” should be removed from duty immediately. Clearly they are unfit for a leadership role. Disgraceful.",
">\n\nIt wasn't a raid.\nThe hospital called the police, and the police responded.",
">\n\nThey responded with an organized raid.",
">\n\nWhat constitutes a raid?\nDid the SWAT team respond, or did a few officers knock on the door, and talk to him?",
">\n\nDid the police respond with more than a single officer? Absolutely no reason to have anything more than a check in by a LE officer. Wasting police resources to do more than that."
] |
>
Personally if it was me I would have got the officers names and then when brought to court literally on my death bed make a huge scene illustrating the cruelty and nonsense of the law and the waste of the courts time.
What they gonna do? Send a terminally ill man to prison?
I’m guessing that the prosecutor is hoping this guy dies so it isn’t completely embarrassing to the court, the charges are either going to be dropped or they will find a way to shift the court date out in the hopes that he passes
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"Aaah, smell the freedom in Kansas.",
">\n\nPack it up boys, job well done. Kansas is safe for another day.",
">\n\nBecause that was the greatest threat at hand. Fucking losers. Just like my state.",
">\n\nIt's stories like this that make me fantasize about being rich and having the power to hire a gaggle of journalists to investigate. I am sure this department neglected some important policing to be doing this bullshit that serves nobody.",
">\n\nGetting the low hanging fruit. Great job everyone!",
">\n\nThe hospital staff actually called the police over a vape pen (the article says that the patient isn't on oxygen -- if they were then their lungs would probably give out before a fire starts), then the cops actually organized and conducted a raid over it. How many stupid people were involved in making this stupid decision?",
">\n\nSome douchey hospital employee probably didn’t like the smell and decided to call the cops and sit back in the break room while they harassed a dying man. Of course they could have just talked to the guy, taken the vape pen, and let him use the edibles and paste",
">\n\nIf it’s a weed vape it doesn’t even leave behind a smell unless the dipshit nurse is in there sniffing the clouds of smoke trying to get secondhand baked.",
">\n\nThat’s a common misconception amongst heavy users. Vape pens do leave a lingering odor, although it doesn’t last as long and isn’t as pungent as when you burn flower.\nI don’t agree with the actions that were taken here, and you’re correct that you can’t get secondhand baked on vapor. I’m just pointing out that there is a smell that is present through any space where vaping extract is taking place, it fills the whole room.",
">\n\nSee also also: the invention of peppermint schnapps. Am I wasted or did I brush my teeth??",
">\n\nI don't think Peppermint Schnapps or Cherry Brandy has ever been sold to anyone without fake ID.",
">\n\nI think the negative publicity will ultimately benefit the cause, especially since this was a terminally ill cancer patient.",
">\n\nYup. There's a saying, if you want to get rid of a bad law, enforce it.",
">\n\nI bet a dollar that the cops took the confiscated vape pen and edibles home with them for their own enjoyment.\nI knew a woman whose husband was a cop. He always had great weed. He stole it from people he was arresting.",
">\n\nShe told you that? Or he did? It would make me want to chop them in their throats, especially if they were saying it as an anecdote and smiling.",
">\n\nThat's not very Christmas-y.",
">\n\nBut very Christian",
">\n\nCan you imagine, ratting out a dying cancer patient, because of your own, antiquated ideas? i mean, whoever ratted him out, sat at home for Christmas with loved ones, while this man laid dying. Think of the obnoxious, self righteous, ignorant, uneducated, un-empathetic and lack of humility it takes to try and get a DYING patient a criminal record.",
">\n\nStory like these piss me off. All because someone feels more righteous. The man is dying, you should show some compassion. Scared of ignition with the oxygen there is electricity in the room",
">\n\nThe kind of person who would call the fucking police on a terminally ill cancer patient for using a harmless substance to ease their suffering is from the same group of people who think that we should be living in 1850.\nThere are waaaaaaay more asshole bigots in American healthcare than you realize.",
">\n\nHospital employee too weak to take vape pen from dying patient? WTF?",
">\n\nLand of the Free",
">\n\nCommon sense people, use it. They didn't need to arrest the money, waste of everyone's time and money.",
">\n\nKeeping us safe from all the bad guys…",
">\n\nWhile I don’t agree with the police response… they should never have been called in the first place. \nThis should absolutely be able to be managed by healthcare workers in a hospital environment and should be escalated to police/security only if staff threat then becomes an issue. I am doubtful that was a concern given that the person involved is being actively palliated. There was no mention of involved family members but that would be a consideration if it were the case. At face value, this appears as lazy unprofessional healthcare work.",
">\n\nIf you’re dying do what will, as long as it doesn’t hurt others. Like grandpa from little miss sunshine",
">\n\nIMO, we can extend this philosophy to living as well.",
">\n\nI’m not completely against it",
">\n\nWtf? I can see where the hospital staff are coming from, smoking or otherwise is banned in hospitals for any number of reasons, but the cops charging the patient? That's just being overzealous.",
">\n\n\nWtf? I can see where the hospital staff are coming from, smoking or otherwise is banned in hospitals for any number of reasons, but the cops charging the patient? That's just being overzealous.\n\nI can see taking his vape away if you really want to nitpick, but his edibles, come on man. This is ridiculous.",
">\n\n\"We're not in Kansas anymore!\"\n\"Oh f8ck. We are still on Kansas. Damn it, Toto.\"",
">\n\nOh fateck?",
">\n\nDid Paul McCartney write this title? Who the fuck says\"Christmastime\".\nAnd it's one word?!\nIdk why but that weird really pisses me off.",
">\n\nPolice really providing good public service here and safeguarding the public safety.",
">\n\nWhoever authorized this “raid” should be removed from duty immediately. Clearly they are unfit for a leadership role. Disgraceful.",
">\n\nIt wasn't a raid.\nThe hospital called the police, and the police responded.",
">\n\nThey responded with an organized raid.",
">\n\nWhat constitutes a raid?\nDid the SWAT team respond, or did a few officers knock on the door, and talk to him?",
">\n\nDid the police respond with more than a single officer? Absolutely no reason to have anything more than a check in by a LE officer. Wasting police resources to do more than that.",
">\n\nnow now, the patient may have resisted or had a knife.\n/s"
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