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It's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh.
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"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult."
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Honestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV
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"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult.",
">\n\nIt's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh."
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People can make mistakes and this was one of them.. so we can all just criticize her reply fairly and move on. No need for acute mental gymnastics to defend her as this comments section is showing lmao.
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"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult.",
">\n\nIt's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh.",
">\n\nHonestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV"
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"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult.",
">\n\nIt's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh.",
">\n\nHonestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV",
">\n\nPeople can make mistakes and this was one of them.. so we can all just criticize her reply fairly and move on. No need for acute mental gymnastics to defend her as this comments section is showing lmao."
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I don't think anyone is arguing it's not offensive. I'm pretty sure she was trying to offend insecure men. Apparently with great success.
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"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult.",
">\n\nIt's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh.",
">\n\nHonestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV",
">\n\nPeople can make mistakes and this was one of them.. so we can all just criticize her reply fairly and move on. No need for acute mental gymnastics to defend her as this comments section is showing lmao.",
">\n\nSorry, u/Western-Elevator-456 – your comment has been removed for breaking Rule 1:\n\nDirect responses to a CMV post must challenge at least one aspect of OP’s stated view (however minor), or ask a clarifying question. Arguments in favor of the view OP is willing to change must be restricted to replies to other comments. See the wiki page for more information. \n\nIf you would like to appeal, you must first check if your comment falls into the \"Top level comments that are against rule 1\" list, review our appeals process here, then message the moderators by clicking this link within one week of this notice being posted. \nPlease note that multiple violations will lead to a ban, as explained in our moderation standards."
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She was trying to offend men who were insecure about their body image?
How is that not body shaming?
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"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult.",
">\n\nIt's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh.",
">\n\nHonestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV",
">\n\nPeople can make mistakes and this was one of them.. so we can all just criticize her reply fairly and move on. No need for acute mental gymnastics to defend her as this comments section is showing lmao.",
">\n\nSorry, u/Western-Elevator-456 – your comment has been removed for breaking Rule 1:\n\nDirect responses to a CMV post must challenge at least one aspect of OP’s stated view (however minor), or ask a clarifying question. Arguments in favor of the view OP is willing to change must be restricted to replies to other comments. See the wiki page for more information. \n\nIf you would like to appeal, you must first check if your comment falls into the \"Top level comments that are against rule 1\" list, review our appeals process here, then message the moderators by clicking this link within one week of this notice being posted. \nPlease note that multiple violations will lead to a ban, as explained in our moderation standards.",
">\n\nI don't think anyone is arguing it's not offensive. I'm pretty sure she was trying to offend insecure men. Apparently with great success."
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It is, but we playing the avoidance and rationalization game
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"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult.",
">\n\nIt's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh.",
">\n\nHonestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV",
">\n\nPeople can make mistakes and this was one of them.. so we can all just criticize her reply fairly and move on. No need for acute mental gymnastics to defend her as this comments section is showing lmao.",
">\n\nSorry, u/Western-Elevator-456 – your comment has been removed for breaking Rule 1:\n\nDirect responses to a CMV post must challenge at least one aspect of OP’s stated view (however minor), or ask a clarifying question. Arguments in favor of the view OP is willing to change must be restricted to replies to other comments. See the wiki page for more information. \n\nIf you would like to appeal, you must first check if your comment falls into the \"Top level comments that are against rule 1\" list, review our appeals process here, then message the moderators by clicking this link within one week of this notice being posted. \nPlease note that multiple violations will lead to a ban, as explained in our moderation standards.",
">\n\nI don't think anyone is arguing it's not offensive. I'm pretty sure she was trying to offend insecure men. Apparently with great success.",
">\n\nShe was trying to offend men who were insecure about their body image?\nHow is that not body shaming?"
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because women invented "small dick energy"
harsh, sad. but we go jim🗿
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"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult.",
">\n\nIt's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh.",
">\n\nHonestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV",
">\n\nPeople can make mistakes and this was one of them.. so we can all just criticize her reply fairly and move on. No need for acute mental gymnastics to defend her as this comments section is showing lmao.",
">\n\nSorry, u/Western-Elevator-456 – your comment has been removed for breaking Rule 1:\n\nDirect responses to a CMV post must challenge at least one aspect of OP’s stated view (however minor), or ask a clarifying question. Arguments in favor of the view OP is willing to change must be restricted to replies to other comments. See the wiki page for more information. \n\nIf you would like to appeal, you must first check if your comment falls into the \"Top level comments that are against rule 1\" list, review our appeals process here, then message the moderators by clicking this link within one week of this notice being posted. \nPlease note that multiple violations will lead to a ban, as explained in our moderation standards.",
">\n\nI don't think anyone is arguing it's not offensive. I'm pretty sure she was trying to offend insecure men. Apparently with great success.",
">\n\nShe was trying to offend men who were insecure about their body image?\nHow is that not body shaming?",
">\n\nIt is, but we playing the avoidance and rationalization game"
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OP never mentioned women tho. Post is strictly about why it's offensive. Do you disagree that it's not offensive or you think it's a trivial matter to make fun of that men's mental health doesn't matter as much?
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"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult.",
">\n\nIt's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh.",
">\n\nHonestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV",
">\n\nPeople can make mistakes and this was one of them.. so we can all just criticize her reply fairly and move on. No need for acute mental gymnastics to defend her as this comments section is showing lmao.",
">\n\nSorry, u/Western-Elevator-456 – your comment has been removed for breaking Rule 1:\n\nDirect responses to a CMV post must challenge at least one aspect of OP’s stated view (however minor), or ask a clarifying question. Arguments in favor of the view OP is willing to change must be restricted to replies to other comments. See the wiki page for more information. \n\nIf you would like to appeal, you must first check if your comment falls into the \"Top level comments that are against rule 1\" list, review our appeals process here, then message the moderators by clicking this link within one week of this notice being posted. \nPlease note that multiple violations will lead to a ban, as explained in our moderation standards.",
">\n\nI don't think anyone is arguing it's not offensive. I'm pretty sure she was trying to offend insecure men. Apparently with great success.",
">\n\nShe was trying to offend men who were insecure about their body image?\nHow is that not body shaming?",
">\n\nIt is, but we playing the avoidance and rationalization game",
">\n\nbecause women invented \"small dick energy\"\nharsh, sad. but we go jim🗿"
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The female equivalent is
"Loose Pussy Energy".
The typical man-hate hypocrisy commonly going around is beyond obvious. And it is an attack on All men and boys not just some.
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"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult.",
">\n\nIt's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh.",
">\n\nHonestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV",
">\n\nPeople can make mistakes and this was one of them.. so we can all just criticize her reply fairly and move on. No need for acute mental gymnastics to defend her as this comments section is showing lmao.",
">\n\nSorry, u/Western-Elevator-456 – your comment has been removed for breaking Rule 1:\n\nDirect responses to a CMV post must challenge at least one aspect of OP’s stated view (however minor), or ask a clarifying question. Arguments in favor of the view OP is willing to change must be restricted to replies to other comments. See the wiki page for more information. \n\nIf you would like to appeal, you must first check if your comment falls into the \"Top level comments that are against rule 1\" list, review our appeals process here, then message the moderators by clicking this link within one week of this notice being posted. \nPlease note that multiple violations will lead to a ban, as explained in our moderation standards.",
">\n\nI don't think anyone is arguing it's not offensive. I'm pretty sure she was trying to offend insecure men. Apparently with great success.",
">\n\nShe was trying to offend men who were insecure about their body image?\nHow is that not body shaming?",
">\n\nIt is, but we playing the avoidance and rationalization game",
">\n\nbecause women invented \"small dick energy\"\nharsh, sad. but we go jim🗿",
">\n\nOP never mentioned women tho. Post is strictly about why it's offensive. Do you disagree that it's not offensive or you think it's a trivial matter to make fun of that men's mental health doesn't matter as much?"
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Not a disagreement per se, but also worth noting that it’s transphobic. Which is to say, it insults all men by reinforcing patriarchy and punching down to two groups of men.
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"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult.",
">\n\nIt's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh.",
">\n\nHonestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV",
">\n\nPeople can make mistakes and this was one of them.. so we can all just criticize her reply fairly and move on. No need for acute mental gymnastics to defend her as this comments section is showing lmao.",
">\n\nSorry, u/Western-Elevator-456 – your comment has been removed for breaking Rule 1:\n\nDirect responses to a CMV post must challenge at least one aspect of OP’s stated view (however minor), or ask a clarifying question. Arguments in favor of the view OP is willing to change must be restricted to replies to other comments. See the wiki page for more information. \n\nIf you would like to appeal, you must first check if your comment falls into the \"Top level comments that are against rule 1\" list, review our appeals process here, then message the moderators by clicking this link within one week of this notice being posted. \nPlease note that multiple violations will lead to a ban, as explained in our moderation standards.",
">\n\nI don't think anyone is arguing it's not offensive. I'm pretty sure she was trying to offend insecure men. Apparently with great success.",
">\n\nShe was trying to offend men who were insecure about their body image?\nHow is that not body shaming?",
">\n\nIt is, but we playing the avoidance and rationalization game",
">\n\nbecause women invented \"small dick energy\"\nharsh, sad. but we go jim🗿",
">\n\nOP never mentioned women tho. Post is strictly about why it's offensive. Do you disagree that it's not offensive or you think it's a trivial matter to make fun of that men's mental health doesn't matter as much?",
">\n\nThe female equivalent is\n\"Loose Pussy Energy\".\nThe typical man-hate hypocrisy commonly going around is beyond obvious. And it is an attack on All men and boys not just some."
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She said small dick energy. Not that he had a small dick (though, come on). She used that phrase BECAUSE it's Tate. She's not a moron.
He is, as evidenced by his life to this point and his two responses to Thunberg, which were epically pathetic, is a moron and didn't seem to get it, though he doesn't get a lot.
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[
"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult.",
">\n\nIt's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh.",
">\n\nHonestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV",
">\n\nPeople can make mistakes and this was one of them.. so we can all just criticize her reply fairly and move on. No need for acute mental gymnastics to defend her as this comments section is showing lmao.",
">\n\nSorry, u/Western-Elevator-456 – your comment has been removed for breaking Rule 1:\n\nDirect responses to a CMV post must challenge at least one aspect of OP’s stated view (however minor), or ask a clarifying question. Arguments in favor of the view OP is willing to change must be restricted to replies to other comments. See the wiki page for more information. \n\nIf you would like to appeal, you must first check if your comment falls into the \"Top level comments that are against rule 1\" list, review our appeals process here, then message the moderators by clicking this link within one week of this notice being posted. \nPlease note that multiple violations will lead to a ban, as explained in our moderation standards.",
">\n\nI don't think anyone is arguing it's not offensive. I'm pretty sure she was trying to offend insecure men. Apparently with great success.",
">\n\nShe was trying to offend men who were insecure about their body image?\nHow is that not body shaming?",
">\n\nIt is, but we playing the avoidance and rationalization game",
">\n\nbecause women invented \"small dick energy\"\nharsh, sad. but we go jim🗿",
">\n\nOP never mentioned women tho. Post is strictly about why it's offensive. Do you disagree that it's not offensive or you think it's a trivial matter to make fun of that men's mental health doesn't matter as much?",
">\n\nThe female equivalent is\n\"Loose Pussy Energy\".\nThe typical man-hate hypocrisy commonly going around is beyond obvious. And it is an attack on All men and boys not just some.",
">\n\nNot a disagreement per se, but also worth noting that it’s transphobic. Which is to say, it insults all men by reinforcing patriarchy and punching down to two groups of men."
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This is worse than saying he has a small dick, because how would she know, and that would just be dismissed as stupid.
What she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.
I can't understand the mental gymnastics some people are doing to try and say this isn't body shaming.
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"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult.",
">\n\nIt's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh.",
">\n\nHonestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV",
">\n\nPeople can make mistakes and this was one of them.. so we can all just criticize her reply fairly and move on. No need for acute mental gymnastics to defend her as this comments section is showing lmao.",
">\n\nSorry, u/Western-Elevator-456 – your comment has been removed for breaking Rule 1:\n\nDirect responses to a CMV post must challenge at least one aspect of OP’s stated view (however minor), or ask a clarifying question. Arguments in favor of the view OP is willing to change must be restricted to replies to other comments. See the wiki page for more information. \n\nIf you would like to appeal, you must first check if your comment falls into the \"Top level comments that are against rule 1\" list, review our appeals process here, then message the moderators by clicking this link within one week of this notice being posted. \nPlease note that multiple violations will lead to a ban, as explained in our moderation standards.",
">\n\nI don't think anyone is arguing it's not offensive. I'm pretty sure she was trying to offend insecure men. Apparently with great success.",
">\n\nShe was trying to offend men who were insecure about their body image?\nHow is that not body shaming?",
">\n\nIt is, but we playing the avoidance and rationalization game",
">\n\nbecause women invented \"small dick energy\"\nharsh, sad. but we go jim🗿",
">\n\nOP never mentioned women tho. Post is strictly about why it's offensive. Do you disagree that it's not offensive or you think it's a trivial matter to make fun of that men's mental health doesn't matter as much?",
">\n\nThe female equivalent is\n\"Loose Pussy Energy\".\nThe typical man-hate hypocrisy commonly going around is beyond obvious. And it is an attack on All men and boys not just some.",
">\n\nNot a disagreement per se, but also worth noting that it’s transphobic. Which is to say, it insults all men by reinforcing patriarchy and punching down to two groups of men.",
">\n\nShe said small dick energy. Not that he had a small dick (though, come on). She used that phrase BECAUSE it's Tate. She's not a moron.\nHe is, as evidenced by his life to this point and his two responses to Thunberg, which were epically pathetic, is a moron and didn't seem to get it, though he doesn't get a lot."
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What she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.
I mean yeah -- kind of like how pussy is an insult denoting cowardice, cunt is an insult meaning basically, terrible, etc.,
She used that on purpose. Are you making CMV every time you see someone calling someone else a pussy?
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"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult.",
">\n\nIt's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh.",
">\n\nHonestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV",
">\n\nPeople can make mistakes and this was one of them.. so we can all just criticize her reply fairly and move on. No need for acute mental gymnastics to defend her as this comments section is showing lmao.",
">\n\nSorry, u/Western-Elevator-456 – your comment has been removed for breaking Rule 1:\n\nDirect responses to a CMV post must challenge at least one aspect of OP’s stated view (however minor), or ask a clarifying question. Arguments in favor of the view OP is willing to change must be restricted to replies to other comments. See the wiki page for more information. \n\nIf you would like to appeal, you must first check if your comment falls into the \"Top level comments that are against rule 1\" list, review our appeals process here, then message the moderators by clicking this link within one week of this notice being posted. \nPlease note that multiple violations will lead to a ban, as explained in our moderation standards.",
">\n\nI don't think anyone is arguing it's not offensive. I'm pretty sure she was trying to offend insecure men. Apparently with great success.",
">\n\nShe was trying to offend men who were insecure about their body image?\nHow is that not body shaming?",
">\n\nIt is, but we playing the avoidance and rationalization game",
">\n\nbecause women invented \"small dick energy\"\nharsh, sad. but we go jim🗿",
">\n\nOP never mentioned women tho. Post is strictly about why it's offensive. Do you disagree that it's not offensive or you think it's a trivial matter to make fun of that men's mental health doesn't matter as much?",
">\n\nThe female equivalent is\n\"Loose Pussy Energy\".\nThe typical man-hate hypocrisy commonly going around is beyond obvious. And it is an attack on All men and boys not just some.",
">\n\nNot a disagreement per se, but also worth noting that it’s transphobic. Which is to say, it insults all men by reinforcing patriarchy and punching down to two groups of men.",
">\n\nShe said small dick energy. Not that he had a small dick (though, come on). She used that phrase BECAUSE it's Tate. She's not a moron.\nHe is, as evidenced by his life to this point and his two responses to Thunberg, which were epically pathetic, is a moron and didn't seem to get it, though he doesn't get a lot.",
">\n\nThis is worse than saying he has a small dick, because how would she know, and that would just be dismissed as stupid.\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\nI can't understand the mental gymnastics some people are doing to try and say this isn't body shaming."
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Pussy is kind of already known to be a shitty gendered insult so it doesn't need a CMV. In this case, Greta's gendered "having a small penis is bad" tweet is massively amplified, reached r/all on a shitload of subs, etc. so some discussion about whether or not that is cool is warranted
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"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult.",
">\n\nIt's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh.",
">\n\nHonestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV",
">\n\nPeople can make mistakes and this was one of them.. so we can all just criticize her reply fairly and move on. No need for acute mental gymnastics to defend her as this comments section is showing lmao.",
">\n\nSorry, u/Western-Elevator-456 – your comment has been removed for breaking Rule 1:\n\nDirect responses to a CMV post must challenge at least one aspect of OP’s stated view (however minor), or ask a clarifying question. Arguments in favor of the view OP is willing to change must be restricted to replies to other comments. See the wiki page for more information. \n\nIf you would like to appeal, you must first check if your comment falls into the \"Top level comments that are against rule 1\" list, review our appeals process here, then message the moderators by clicking this link within one week of this notice being posted. \nPlease note that multiple violations will lead to a ban, as explained in our moderation standards.",
">\n\nI don't think anyone is arguing it's not offensive. I'm pretty sure she was trying to offend insecure men. Apparently with great success.",
">\n\nShe was trying to offend men who were insecure about their body image?\nHow is that not body shaming?",
">\n\nIt is, but we playing the avoidance and rationalization game",
">\n\nbecause women invented \"small dick energy\"\nharsh, sad. but we go jim🗿",
">\n\nOP never mentioned women tho. Post is strictly about why it's offensive. Do you disagree that it's not offensive or you think it's a trivial matter to make fun of that men's mental health doesn't matter as much?",
">\n\nThe female equivalent is\n\"Loose Pussy Energy\".\nThe typical man-hate hypocrisy commonly going around is beyond obvious. And it is an attack on All men and boys not just some.",
">\n\nNot a disagreement per se, but also worth noting that it’s transphobic. Which is to say, it insults all men by reinforcing patriarchy and punching down to two groups of men.",
">\n\nShe said small dick energy. Not that he had a small dick (though, come on). She used that phrase BECAUSE it's Tate. She's not a moron.\nHe is, as evidenced by his life to this point and his two responses to Thunberg, which were epically pathetic, is a moron and didn't seem to get it, though he doesn't get a lot.",
">\n\nThis is worse than saying he has a small dick, because how would she know, and that would just be dismissed as stupid.\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\nI can't understand the mental gymnastics some people are doing to try and say this isn't body shaming.",
">\n\n\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\n\nI mean yeah -- kind of like how pussy is an insult denoting cowardice, cunt is an insult meaning basically, terrible, etc., \nShe used that on purpose. Are you making CMV every time you see someone calling someone else a pussy?"
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Small dick energy isn’t about having a small dick tho. It’s a reflection of an attitude that men who are offensive, aggressive, nasty to people are overcompensating for their insecurities. A small dick doesn’t mean you won’t be able to find a partner or that you’re any less of a man. Being a downright trash bag of a human to others, like in this instance where an internet edgelord is cyber bullying a teenager on the internet who is fighting for the survival of our planet/humanity is an example of this trash behavior, is more of a determining factor.
You can also have a small dick but have big dick energy, as it’s reflective of who you are as a person. It’s an attitude. It’s who you choose to be to yourself and others. Hell, there’s women who use the term that they have big dick energy and I can tell you those women’s dicks are none existent so therefore size isn’t a thing.
No one should be made fun of for something they had no control over. The worth of a man is not tied to the size of his penis. Although, toxic masculinity and shallow people will tell you different. They say the same for disabled people, fat people etc. There’s plenty of people who are not “conventional standards of beauty” which is the majority of us, that lead happy, healthy relationships. Those relationships start with yourself and understanding your worth as a person isn’t tied to what you look like or how big your junk is.
The point is if you choose to be a trash person like Tate, where your self worth is tied into how cruel/offensive you can be to other people, don’t be mad if people call you out for that trashy attitude. Your post definitely reeks of “men are the true victims” when clearly you didn’t seem to have a problem with a grown man cyber bullying a teenager.
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"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult.",
">\n\nIt's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh.",
">\n\nHonestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV",
">\n\nPeople can make mistakes and this was one of them.. so we can all just criticize her reply fairly and move on. No need for acute mental gymnastics to defend her as this comments section is showing lmao.",
">\n\nSorry, u/Western-Elevator-456 – your comment has been removed for breaking Rule 1:\n\nDirect responses to a CMV post must challenge at least one aspect of OP’s stated view (however minor), or ask a clarifying question. Arguments in favor of the view OP is willing to change must be restricted to replies to other comments. See the wiki page for more information. \n\nIf you would like to appeal, you must first check if your comment falls into the \"Top level comments that are against rule 1\" list, review our appeals process here, then message the moderators by clicking this link within one week of this notice being posted. \nPlease note that multiple violations will lead to a ban, as explained in our moderation standards.",
">\n\nI don't think anyone is arguing it's not offensive. I'm pretty sure she was trying to offend insecure men. Apparently with great success.",
">\n\nShe was trying to offend men who were insecure about their body image?\nHow is that not body shaming?",
">\n\nIt is, but we playing the avoidance and rationalization game",
">\n\nbecause women invented \"small dick energy\"\nharsh, sad. but we go jim🗿",
">\n\nOP never mentioned women tho. Post is strictly about why it's offensive. Do you disagree that it's not offensive or you think it's a trivial matter to make fun of that men's mental health doesn't matter as much?",
">\n\nThe female equivalent is\n\"Loose Pussy Energy\".\nThe typical man-hate hypocrisy commonly going around is beyond obvious. And it is an attack on All men and boys not just some.",
">\n\nNot a disagreement per se, but also worth noting that it’s transphobic. Which is to say, it insults all men by reinforcing patriarchy and punching down to two groups of men.",
">\n\nShe said small dick energy. Not that he had a small dick (though, come on). She used that phrase BECAUSE it's Tate. She's not a moron.\nHe is, as evidenced by his life to this point and his two responses to Thunberg, which were epically pathetic, is a moron and didn't seem to get it, though he doesn't get a lot.",
">\n\nThis is worse than saying he has a small dick, because how would she know, and that would just be dismissed as stupid.\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\nI can't understand the mental gymnastics some people are doing to try and say this isn't body shaming.",
">\n\n\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\n\nI mean yeah -- kind of like how pussy is an insult denoting cowardice, cunt is an insult meaning basically, terrible, etc., \nShe used that on purpose. Are you making CMV every time you see someone calling someone else a pussy?",
">\n\nPussy is kind of already known to be a shitty gendered insult so it doesn't need a CMV. In this case, Greta's gendered \"having a small penis is bad\" tweet is massively amplified, reached r/all on a shitload of subs, etc. so some discussion about whether or not that is cool is warranted"
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I like how you imply that OP is a fan of a literal human trafficker because they point out that a body-shaming insult is body-shaming. Do you understand why associating a trait of someone's body with negative personality traits is bad?
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"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult.",
">\n\nIt's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh.",
">\n\nHonestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV",
">\n\nPeople can make mistakes and this was one of them.. so we can all just criticize her reply fairly and move on. No need for acute mental gymnastics to defend her as this comments section is showing lmao.",
">\n\nSorry, u/Western-Elevator-456 – your comment has been removed for breaking Rule 1:\n\nDirect responses to a CMV post must challenge at least one aspect of OP’s stated view (however minor), or ask a clarifying question. Arguments in favor of the view OP is willing to change must be restricted to replies to other comments. See the wiki page for more information. \n\nIf you would like to appeal, you must first check if your comment falls into the \"Top level comments that are against rule 1\" list, review our appeals process here, then message the moderators by clicking this link within one week of this notice being posted. \nPlease note that multiple violations will lead to a ban, as explained in our moderation standards.",
">\n\nI don't think anyone is arguing it's not offensive. I'm pretty sure she was trying to offend insecure men. Apparently with great success.",
">\n\nShe was trying to offend men who were insecure about their body image?\nHow is that not body shaming?",
">\n\nIt is, but we playing the avoidance and rationalization game",
">\n\nbecause women invented \"small dick energy\"\nharsh, sad. but we go jim🗿",
">\n\nOP never mentioned women tho. Post is strictly about why it's offensive. Do you disagree that it's not offensive or you think it's a trivial matter to make fun of that men's mental health doesn't matter as much?",
">\n\nThe female equivalent is\n\"Loose Pussy Energy\".\nThe typical man-hate hypocrisy commonly going around is beyond obvious. And it is an attack on All men and boys not just some.",
">\n\nNot a disagreement per se, but also worth noting that it’s transphobic. Which is to say, it insults all men by reinforcing patriarchy and punching down to two groups of men.",
">\n\nShe said small dick energy. Not that he had a small dick (though, come on). She used that phrase BECAUSE it's Tate. She's not a moron.\nHe is, as evidenced by his life to this point and his two responses to Thunberg, which were epically pathetic, is a moron and didn't seem to get it, though he doesn't get a lot.",
">\n\nThis is worse than saying he has a small dick, because how would she know, and that would just be dismissed as stupid.\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\nI can't understand the mental gymnastics some people are doing to try and say this isn't body shaming.",
">\n\n\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\n\nI mean yeah -- kind of like how pussy is an insult denoting cowardice, cunt is an insult meaning basically, terrible, etc., \nShe used that on purpose. Are you making CMV every time you see someone calling someone else a pussy?",
">\n\nPussy is kind of already known to be a shitty gendered insult so it doesn't need a CMV. In this case, Greta's gendered \"having a small penis is bad\" tweet is massively amplified, reached r/all on a shitload of subs, etc. so some discussion about whether or not that is cool is warranted",
">\n\nSmall dick energy isn’t about having a small dick tho. It’s a reflection of an attitude that men who are offensive, aggressive, nasty to people are overcompensating for their insecurities. A small dick doesn’t mean you won’t be able to find a partner or that you’re any less of a man. Being a downright trash bag of a human to others, like in this instance where an internet edgelord is cyber bullying a teenager on the internet who is fighting for the survival of our planet/humanity is an example of this trash behavior, is more of a determining factor. \nYou can also have a small dick but have big dick energy, as it’s reflective of who you are as a person. It’s an attitude. It’s who you choose to be to yourself and others. Hell, there’s women who use the term that they have big dick energy and I can tell you those women’s dicks are none existent so therefore size isn’t a thing. \nNo one should be made fun of for something they had no control over. The worth of a man is not tied to the size of his penis. Although, toxic masculinity and shallow people will tell you different. They say the same for disabled people, fat people etc. There’s plenty of people who are not “conventional standards of beauty” which is the majority of us, that lead happy, healthy relationships. Those relationships start with yourself and understanding your worth as a person isn’t tied to what you look like or how big your junk is. \nThe point is if you choose to be a trash person like Tate, where your self worth is tied into how cruel/offensive you can be to other people, don’t be mad if people call you out for that trashy attitude. Your post definitely reeks of “men are the true victims” when clearly you didn’t seem to have a problem with a grown man cyber bullying a teenager."
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No because people like this always have exceptions that allow them to use the things they complain about. Cognitive gymnastics allows them to recognise shaming women and people of colour is bad, because society will eat them otherwise, but when someone shows up who deserves a bit of a roasting all of their social etiquette rules go out the window and the excuses come out as to why in this context it doesn't count.
"Ahh no, here it is a reflection of an attitude" blah blah 3 paragraphs later and we've clouded over the simple fact that body shaming is body shaming and harms people you weren't intending to insult.
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"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult.",
">\n\nIt's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh.",
">\n\nHonestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV",
">\n\nPeople can make mistakes and this was one of them.. so we can all just criticize her reply fairly and move on. No need for acute mental gymnastics to defend her as this comments section is showing lmao.",
">\n\nSorry, u/Western-Elevator-456 – your comment has been removed for breaking Rule 1:\n\nDirect responses to a CMV post must challenge at least one aspect of OP’s stated view (however minor), or ask a clarifying question. Arguments in favor of the view OP is willing to change must be restricted to replies to other comments. See the wiki page for more information. \n\nIf you would like to appeal, you must first check if your comment falls into the \"Top level comments that are against rule 1\" list, review our appeals process here, then message the moderators by clicking this link within one week of this notice being posted. \nPlease note that multiple violations will lead to a ban, as explained in our moderation standards.",
">\n\nI don't think anyone is arguing it's not offensive. I'm pretty sure she was trying to offend insecure men. Apparently with great success.",
">\n\nShe was trying to offend men who were insecure about their body image?\nHow is that not body shaming?",
">\n\nIt is, but we playing the avoidance and rationalization game",
">\n\nbecause women invented \"small dick energy\"\nharsh, sad. but we go jim🗿",
">\n\nOP never mentioned women tho. Post is strictly about why it's offensive. Do you disagree that it's not offensive or you think it's a trivial matter to make fun of that men's mental health doesn't matter as much?",
">\n\nThe female equivalent is\n\"Loose Pussy Energy\".\nThe typical man-hate hypocrisy commonly going around is beyond obvious. And it is an attack on All men and boys not just some.",
">\n\nNot a disagreement per se, but also worth noting that it’s transphobic. Which is to say, it insults all men by reinforcing patriarchy and punching down to two groups of men.",
">\n\nShe said small dick energy. Not that he had a small dick (though, come on). She used that phrase BECAUSE it's Tate. She's not a moron.\nHe is, as evidenced by his life to this point and his two responses to Thunberg, which were epically pathetic, is a moron and didn't seem to get it, though he doesn't get a lot.",
">\n\nThis is worse than saying he has a small dick, because how would she know, and that would just be dismissed as stupid.\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\nI can't understand the mental gymnastics some people are doing to try and say this isn't body shaming.",
">\n\n\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\n\nI mean yeah -- kind of like how pussy is an insult denoting cowardice, cunt is an insult meaning basically, terrible, etc., \nShe used that on purpose. Are you making CMV every time you see someone calling someone else a pussy?",
">\n\nPussy is kind of already known to be a shitty gendered insult so it doesn't need a CMV. In this case, Greta's gendered \"having a small penis is bad\" tweet is massively amplified, reached r/all on a shitload of subs, etc. so some discussion about whether or not that is cool is warranted",
">\n\nSmall dick energy isn’t about having a small dick tho. It’s a reflection of an attitude that men who are offensive, aggressive, nasty to people are overcompensating for their insecurities. A small dick doesn’t mean you won’t be able to find a partner or that you’re any less of a man. Being a downright trash bag of a human to others, like in this instance where an internet edgelord is cyber bullying a teenager on the internet who is fighting for the survival of our planet/humanity is an example of this trash behavior, is more of a determining factor. \nYou can also have a small dick but have big dick energy, as it’s reflective of who you are as a person. It’s an attitude. It’s who you choose to be to yourself and others. Hell, there’s women who use the term that they have big dick energy and I can tell you those women’s dicks are none existent so therefore size isn’t a thing. \nNo one should be made fun of for something they had no control over. The worth of a man is not tied to the size of his penis. Although, toxic masculinity and shallow people will tell you different. They say the same for disabled people, fat people etc. There’s plenty of people who are not “conventional standards of beauty” which is the majority of us, that lead happy, healthy relationships. Those relationships start with yourself and understanding your worth as a person isn’t tied to what you look like or how big your junk is. \nThe point is if you choose to be a trash person like Tate, where your self worth is tied into how cruel/offensive you can be to other people, don’t be mad if people call you out for that trashy attitude. Your post definitely reeks of “men are the true victims” when clearly you didn’t seem to have a problem with a grown man cyber bullying a teenager.",
">\n\nI like how you imply that OP is a fan of a literal human trafficker because they point out that a body-shaming insult is body-shaming. Do you understand why associating a trait of someone's body with negative personality traits is bad?"
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People like this? You’re assuming things about me because I am a character in your mind not a real person. I am not a monolith. We should not be body shaming people. I am explaining the other side of this issue and why people use these terms. You never asked if I use these same terms in my life. You assumed I do. I don’t. You didn’t even bother to read my response because if you did you would have realized this.
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"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult.",
">\n\nIt's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh.",
">\n\nHonestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV",
">\n\nPeople can make mistakes and this was one of them.. so we can all just criticize her reply fairly and move on. No need for acute mental gymnastics to defend her as this comments section is showing lmao.",
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">\n\nI don't think anyone is arguing it's not offensive. I'm pretty sure she was trying to offend insecure men. Apparently with great success.",
">\n\nShe was trying to offend men who were insecure about their body image?\nHow is that not body shaming?",
">\n\nIt is, but we playing the avoidance and rationalization game",
">\n\nbecause women invented \"small dick energy\"\nharsh, sad. but we go jim🗿",
">\n\nOP never mentioned women tho. Post is strictly about why it's offensive. Do you disagree that it's not offensive or you think it's a trivial matter to make fun of that men's mental health doesn't matter as much?",
">\n\nThe female equivalent is\n\"Loose Pussy Energy\".\nThe typical man-hate hypocrisy commonly going around is beyond obvious. And it is an attack on All men and boys not just some.",
">\n\nNot a disagreement per se, but also worth noting that it’s transphobic. Which is to say, it insults all men by reinforcing patriarchy and punching down to two groups of men.",
">\n\nShe said small dick energy. Not that he had a small dick (though, come on). She used that phrase BECAUSE it's Tate. She's not a moron.\nHe is, as evidenced by his life to this point and his two responses to Thunberg, which were epically pathetic, is a moron and didn't seem to get it, though he doesn't get a lot.",
">\n\nThis is worse than saying he has a small dick, because how would she know, and that would just be dismissed as stupid.\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\nI can't understand the mental gymnastics some people are doing to try and say this isn't body shaming.",
">\n\n\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\n\nI mean yeah -- kind of like how pussy is an insult denoting cowardice, cunt is an insult meaning basically, terrible, etc., \nShe used that on purpose. Are you making CMV every time you see someone calling someone else a pussy?",
">\n\nPussy is kind of already known to be a shitty gendered insult so it doesn't need a CMV. In this case, Greta's gendered \"having a small penis is bad\" tweet is massively amplified, reached r/all on a shitload of subs, etc. so some discussion about whether or not that is cool is warranted",
">\n\nSmall dick energy isn’t about having a small dick tho. It’s a reflection of an attitude that men who are offensive, aggressive, nasty to people are overcompensating for their insecurities. A small dick doesn’t mean you won’t be able to find a partner or that you’re any less of a man. Being a downright trash bag of a human to others, like in this instance where an internet edgelord is cyber bullying a teenager on the internet who is fighting for the survival of our planet/humanity is an example of this trash behavior, is more of a determining factor. \nYou can also have a small dick but have big dick energy, as it’s reflective of who you are as a person. It’s an attitude. It’s who you choose to be to yourself and others. Hell, there’s women who use the term that they have big dick energy and I can tell you those women’s dicks are none existent so therefore size isn’t a thing. \nNo one should be made fun of for something they had no control over. The worth of a man is not tied to the size of his penis. Although, toxic masculinity and shallow people will tell you different. They say the same for disabled people, fat people etc. There’s plenty of people who are not “conventional standards of beauty” which is the majority of us, that lead happy, healthy relationships. Those relationships start with yourself and understanding your worth as a person isn’t tied to what you look like or how big your junk is. \nThe point is if you choose to be a trash person like Tate, where your self worth is tied into how cruel/offensive you can be to other people, don’t be mad if people call you out for that trashy attitude. Your post definitely reeks of “men are the true victims” when clearly you didn’t seem to have a problem with a grown man cyber bullying a teenager.",
">\n\nI like how you imply that OP is a fan of a literal human trafficker because they point out that a body-shaming insult is body-shaming. Do you understand why associating a trait of someone's body with negative personality traits is bad?",
">\n\nNo because people like this always have exceptions that allow them to use the things they complain about. Cognitive gymnastics allows them to recognise shaming women and people of colour is bad, because society will eat them otherwise, but when someone shows up who deserves a bit of a roasting all of their social etiquette rules go out the window and the excuses come out as to why in this context it doesn't count.\n\"Ahh no, here it is a reflection of an attitude\" blah blah 3 paragraphs later and we've clouded over the simple fact that body shaming is body shaming and harms people you weren't intending to insult."
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"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult.",
">\n\nIt's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh.",
">\n\nHonestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV",
">\n\nPeople can make mistakes and this was one of them.. so we can all just criticize her reply fairly and move on. No need for acute mental gymnastics to defend her as this comments section is showing lmao.",
">\n\nSorry, u/Western-Elevator-456 – your comment has been removed for breaking Rule 1:\n\nDirect responses to a CMV post must challenge at least one aspect of OP’s stated view (however minor), or ask a clarifying question. Arguments in favor of the view OP is willing to change must be restricted to replies to other comments. See the wiki page for more information. \n\nIf you would like to appeal, you must first check if your comment falls into the \"Top level comments that are against rule 1\" list, review our appeals process here, then message the moderators by clicking this link within one week of this notice being posted. \nPlease note that multiple violations will lead to a ban, as explained in our moderation standards.",
">\n\nI don't think anyone is arguing it's not offensive. I'm pretty sure she was trying to offend insecure men. Apparently with great success.",
">\n\nShe was trying to offend men who were insecure about their body image?\nHow is that not body shaming?",
">\n\nIt is, but we playing the avoidance and rationalization game",
">\n\nbecause women invented \"small dick energy\"\nharsh, sad. but we go jim🗿",
">\n\nOP never mentioned women tho. Post is strictly about why it's offensive. Do you disagree that it's not offensive or you think it's a trivial matter to make fun of that men's mental health doesn't matter as much?",
">\n\nThe female equivalent is\n\"Loose Pussy Energy\".\nThe typical man-hate hypocrisy commonly going around is beyond obvious. And it is an attack on All men and boys not just some.",
">\n\nNot a disagreement per se, but also worth noting that it’s transphobic. Which is to say, it insults all men by reinforcing patriarchy and punching down to two groups of men.",
">\n\nShe said small dick energy. Not that he had a small dick (though, come on). She used that phrase BECAUSE it's Tate. She's not a moron.\nHe is, as evidenced by his life to this point and his two responses to Thunberg, which were epically pathetic, is a moron and didn't seem to get it, though he doesn't get a lot.",
">\n\nThis is worse than saying he has a small dick, because how would she know, and that would just be dismissed as stupid.\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\nI can't understand the mental gymnastics some people are doing to try and say this isn't body shaming.",
">\n\n\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\n\nI mean yeah -- kind of like how pussy is an insult denoting cowardice, cunt is an insult meaning basically, terrible, etc., \nShe used that on purpose. Are you making CMV every time you see someone calling someone else a pussy?",
">\n\nPussy is kind of already known to be a shitty gendered insult so it doesn't need a CMV. In this case, Greta's gendered \"having a small penis is bad\" tweet is massively amplified, reached r/all on a shitload of subs, etc. so some discussion about whether or not that is cool is warranted",
">\n\nSmall dick energy isn’t about having a small dick tho. It’s a reflection of an attitude that men who are offensive, aggressive, nasty to people are overcompensating for their insecurities. A small dick doesn’t mean you won’t be able to find a partner or that you’re any less of a man. Being a downright trash bag of a human to others, like in this instance where an internet edgelord is cyber bullying a teenager on the internet who is fighting for the survival of our planet/humanity is an example of this trash behavior, is more of a determining factor. \nYou can also have a small dick but have big dick energy, as it’s reflective of who you are as a person. It’s an attitude. It’s who you choose to be to yourself and others. Hell, there’s women who use the term that they have big dick energy and I can tell you those women’s dicks are none existent so therefore size isn’t a thing. \nNo one should be made fun of for something they had no control over. The worth of a man is not tied to the size of his penis. Although, toxic masculinity and shallow people will tell you different. They say the same for disabled people, fat people etc. There’s plenty of people who are not “conventional standards of beauty” which is the majority of us, that lead happy, healthy relationships. Those relationships start with yourself and understanding your worth as a person isn’t tied to what you look like or how big your junk is. \nThe point is if you choose to be a trash person like Tate, where your self worth is tied into how cruel/offensive you can be to other people, don’t be mad if people call you out for that trashy attitude. Your post definitely reeks of “men are the true victims” when clearly you didn’t seem to have a problem with a grown man cyber bullying a teenager.",
">\n\nI like how you imply that OP is a fan of a literal human trafficker because they point out that a body-shaming insult is body-shaming. Do you understand why associating a trait of someone's body with negative personality traits is bad?",
">\n\nNo because people like this always have exceptions that allow them to use the things they complain about. Cognitive gymnastics allows them to recognise shaming women and people of colour is bad, because society will eat them otherwise, but when someone shows up who deserves a bit of a roasting all of their social etiquette rules go out the window and the excuses come out as to why in this context it doesn't count.\n\"Ahh no, here it is a reflection of an attitude\" blah blah 3 paragraphs later and we've clouded over the simple fact that body shaming is body shaming and harms people you weren't intending to insult.",
">\n\nPeople like this? You’re assuming things about me because I am a character in your mind not a real person. I am not a monolith. We should not be body shaming people. I am explaining the other side of this issue and why people use these terms. You never asked if I use these same terms in my life. You assumed I do. I don’t. You didn’t even bother to read my response because if you did you would have realized this."
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You can have smol pp but big pp energy and vice versa
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"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult.",
">\n\nIt's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh.",
">\n\nHonestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV",
">\n\nPeople can make mistakes and this was one of them.. so we can all just criticize her reply fairly and move on. No need for acute mental gymnastics to defend her as this comments section is showing lmao.",
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">\n\nI don't think anyone is arguing it's not offensive. I'm pretty sure she was trying to offend insecure men. Apparently with great success.",
">\n\nShe was trying to offend men who were insecure about their body image?\nHow is that not body shaming?",
">\n\nIt is, but we playing the avoidance and rationalization game",
">\n\nbecause women invented \"small dick energy\"\nharsh, sad. but we go jim🗿",
">\n\nOP never mentioned women tho. Post is strictly about why it's offensive. Do you disagree that it's not offensive or you think it's a trivial matter to make fun of that men's mental health doesn't matter as much?",
">\n\nThe female equivalent is\n\"Loose Pussy Energy\".\nThe typical man-hate hypocrisy commonly going around is beyond obvious. And it is an attack on All men and boys not just some.",
">\n\nNot a disagreement per se, but also worth noting that it’s transphobic. Which is to say, it insults all men by reinforcing patriarchy and punching down to two groups of men.",
">\n\nShe said small dick energy. Not that he had a small dick (though, come on). She used that phrase BECAUSE it's Tate. She's not a moron.\nHe is, as evidenced by his life to this point and his two responses to Thunberg, which were epically pathetic, is a moron and didn't seem to get it, though he doesn't get a lot.",
">\n\nThis is worse than saying he has a small dick, because how would she know, and that would just be dismissed as stupid.\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\nI can't understand the mental gymnastics some people are doing to try and say this isn't body shaming.",
">\n\n\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\n\nI mean yeah -- kind of like how pussy is an insult denoting cowardice, cunt is an insult meaning basically, terrible, etc., \nShe used that on purpose. Are you making CMV every time you see someone calling someone else a pussy?",
">\n\nPussy is kind of already known to be a shitty gendered insult so it doesn't need a CMV. In this case, Greta's gendered \"having a small penis is bad\" tweet is massively amplified, reached r/all on a shitload of subs, etc. so some discussion about whether or not that is cool is warranted",
">\n\nSmall dick energy isn’t about having a small dick tho. It’s a reflection of an attitude that men who are offensive, aggressive, nasty to people are overcompensating for their insecurities. A small dick doesn’t mean you won’t be able to find a partner or that you’re any less of a man. Being a downright trash bag of a human to others, like in this instance where an internet edgelord is cyber bullying a teenager on the internet who is fighting for the survival of our planet/humanity is an example of this trash behavior, is more of a determining factor. \nYou can also have a small dick but have big dick energy, as it’s reflective of who you are as a person. It’s an attitude. It’s who you choose to be to yourself and others. Hell, there’s women who use the term that they have big dick energy and I can tell you those women’s dicks are none existent so therefore size isn’t a thing. \nNo one should be made fun of for something they had no control over. The worth of a man is not tied to the size of his penis. Although, toxic masculinity and shallow people will tell you different. They say the same for disabled people, fat people etc. There’s plenty of people who are not “conventional standards of beauty” which is the majority of us, that lead happy, healthy relationships. Those relationships start with yourself and understanding your worth as a person isn’t tied to what you look like or how big your junk is. \nThe point is if you choose to be a trash person like Tate, where your self worth is tied into how cruel/offensive you can be to other people, don’t be mad if people call you out for that trashy attitude. Your post definitely reeks of “men are the true victims” when clearly you didn’t seem to have a problem with a grown man cyber bullying a teenager.",
">\n\nI like how you imply that OP is a fan of a literal human trafficker because they point out that a body-shaming insult is body-shaming. Do you understand why associating a trait of someone's body with negative personality traits is bad?",
">\n\nNo because people like this always have exceptions that allow them to use the things they complain about. Cognitive gymnastics allows them to recognise shaming women and people of colour is bad, because society will eat them otherwise, but when someone shows up who deserves a bit of a roasting all of their social etiquette rules go out the window and the excuses come out as to why in this context it doesn't count.\n\"Ahh no, here it is a reflection of an attitude\" blah blah 3 paragraphs later and we've clouded over the simple fact that body shaming is body shaming and harms people you weren't intending to insult.",
">\n\nPeople like this? You’re assuming things about me because I am a character in your mind not a real person. I am not a monolith. We should not be body shaming people. I am explaining the other side of this issue and why people use these terms. You never asked if I use these same terms in my life. You assumed I do. I don’t. You didn’t even bother to read my response because if you did you would have realized this.",
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So why is the phrase small dick energy if it has nothing to do with having a small dick?
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"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult.",
">\n\nIt's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh.",
">\n\nHonestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV",
">\n\nPeople can make mistakes and this was one of them.. so we can all just criticize her reply fairly and move on. No need for acute mental gymnastics to defend her as this comments section is showing lmao.",
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">\n\nI don't think anyone is arguing it's not offensive. I'm pretty sure she was trying to offend insecure men. Apparently with great success.",
">\n\nShe was trying to offend men who were insecure about their body image?\nHow is that not body shaming?",
">\n\nIt is, but we playing the avoidance and rationalization game",
">\n\nbecause women invented \"small dick energy\"\nharsh, sad. but we go jim🗿",
">\n\nOP never mentioned women tho. Post is strictly about why it's offensive. Do you disagree that it's not offensive or you think it's a trivial matter to make fun of that men's mental health doesn't matter as much?",
">\n\nThe female equivalent is\n\"Loose Pussy Energy\".\nThe typical man-hate hypocrisy commonly going around is beyond obvious. And it is an attack on All men and boys not just some.",
">\n\nNot a disagreement per se, but also worth noting that it’s transphobic. Which is to say, it insults all men by reinforcing patriarchy and punching down to two groups of men.",
">\n\nShe said small dick energy. Not that he had a small dick (though, come on). She used that phrase BECAUSE it's Tate. She's not a moron.\nHe is, as evidenced by his life to this point and his two responses to Thunberg, which were epically pathetic, is a moron and didn't seem to get it, though he doesn't get a lot.",
">\n\nThis is worse than saying he has a small dick, because how would she know, and that would just be dismissed as stupid.\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\nI can't understand the mental gymnastics some people are doing to try and say this isn't body shaming.",
">\n\n\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\n\nI mean yeah -- kind of like how pussy is an insult denoting cowardice, cunt is an insult meaning basically, terrible, etc., \nShe used that on purpose. Are you making CMV every time you see someone calling someone else a pussy?",
">\n\nPussy is kind of already known to be a shitty gendered insult so it doesn't need a CMV. In this case, Greta's gendered \"having a small penis is bad\" tweet is massively amplified, reached r/all on a shitload of subs, etc. so some discussion about whether or not that is cool is warranted",
">\n\nSmall dick energy isn’t about having a small dick tho. It’s a reflection of an attitude that men who are offensive, aggressive, nasty to people are overcompensating for their insecurities. A small dick doesn’t mean you won’t be able to find a partner or that you’re any less of a man. Being a downright trash bag of a human to others, like in this instance where an internet edgelord is cyber bullying a teenager on the internet who is fighting for the survival of our planet/humanity is an example of this trash behavior, is more of a determining factor. \nYou can also have a small dick but have big dick energy, as it’s reflective of who you are as a person. It’s an attitude. It’s who you choose to be to yourself and others. Hell, there’s women who use the term that they have big dick energy and I can tell you those women’s dicks are none existent so therefore size isn’t a thing. \nNo one should be made fun of for something they had no control over. The worth of a man is not tied to the size of his penis. Although, toxic masculinity and shallow people will tell you different. They say the same for disabled people, fat people etc. There’s plenty of people who are not “conventional standards of beauty” which is the majority of us, that lead happy, healthy relationships. Those relationships start with yourself and understanding your worth as a person isn’t tied to what you look like or how big your junk is. \nThe point is if you choose to be a trash person like Tate, where your self worth is tied into how cruel/offensive you can be to other people, don’t be mad if people call you out for that trashy attitude. Your post definitely reeks of “men are the true victims” when clearly you didn’t seem to have a problem with a grown man cyber bullying a teenager.",
">\n\nI like how you imply that OP is a fan of a literal human trafficker because they point out that a body-shaming insult is body-shaming. Do you understand why associating a trait of someone's body with negative personality traits is bad?",
">\n\nNo because people like this always have exceptions that allow them to use the things they complain about. Cognitive gymnastics allows them to recognise shaming women and people of colour is bad, because society will eat them otherwise, but when someone shows up who deserves a bit of a roasting all of their social etiquette rules go out the window and the excuses come out as to why in this context it doesn't count.\n\"Ahh no, here it is a reflection of an attitude\" blah blah 3 paragraphs later and we've clouded over the simple fact that body shaming is body shaming and harms people you weren't intending to insult.",
">\n\nPeople like this? You’re assuming things about me because I am a character in your mind not a real person. I am not a monolith. We should not be body shaming people. I am explaining the other side of this issue and why people use these terms. You never asked if I use these same terms in my life. You assumed I do. I don’t. You didn’t even bother to read my response because if you did you would have realized this.",
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">\n\nYou can have smol pp but big pp energy and vice versa"
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Idk man, I just work here.
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"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult.",
">\n\nIt's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh.",
">\n\nHonestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV",
">\n\nPeople can make mistakes and this was one of them.. so we can all just criticize her reply fairly and move on. No need for acute mental gymnastics to defend her as this comments section is showing lmao.",
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">\n\nI don't think anyone is arguing it's not offensive. I'm pretty sure she was trying to offend insecure men. Apparently with great success.",
">\n\nShe was trying to offend men who were insecure about their body image?\nHow is that not body shaming?",
">\n\nIt is, but we playing the avoidance and rationalization game",
">\n\nbecause women invented \"small dick energy\"\nharsh, sad. but we go jim🗿",
">\n\nOP never mentioned women tho. Post is strictly about why it's offensive. Do you disagree that it's not offensive or you think it's a trivial matter to make fun of that men's mental health doesn't matter as much?",
">\n\nThe female equivalent is\n\"Loose Pussy Energy\".\nThe typical man-hate hypocrisy commonly going around is beyond obvious. And it is an attack on All men and boys not just some.",
">\n\nNot a disagreement per se, but also worth noting that it’s transphobic. Which is to say, it insults all men by reinforcing patriarchy and punching down to two groups of men.",
">\n\nShe said small dick energy. Not that he had a small dick (though, come on). She used that phrase BECAUSE it's Tate. She's not a moron.\nHe is, as evidenced by his life to this point and his two responses to Thunberg, which were epically pathetic, is a moron and didn't seem to get it, though he doesn't get a lot.",
">\n\nThis is worse than saying he has a small dick, because how would she know, and that would just be dismissed as stupid.\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\nI can't understand the mental gymnastics some people are doing to try and say this isn't body shaming.",
">\n\n\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\n\nI mean yeah -- kind of like how pussy is an insult denoting cowardice, cunt is an insult meaning basically, terrible, etc., \nShe used that on purpose. Are you making CMV every time you see someone calling someone else a pussy?",
">\n\nPussy is kind of already known to be a shitty gendered insult so it doesn't need a CMV. In this case, Greta's gendered \"having a small penis is bad\" tweet is massively amplified, reached r/all on a shitload of subs, etc. so some discussion about whether or not that is cool is warranted",
">\n\nSmall dick energy isn’t about having a small dick tho. It’s a reflection of an attitude that men who are offensive, aggressive, nasty to people are overcompensating for their insecurities. A small dick doesn’t mean you won’t be able to find a partner or that you’re any less of a man. Being a downright trash bag of a human to others, like in this instance where an internet edgelord is cyber bullying a teenager on the internet who is fighting for the survival of our planet/humanity is an example of this trash behavior, is more of a determining factor. \nYou can also have a small dick but have big dick energy, as it’s reflective of who you are as a person. It’s an attitude. It’s who you choose to be to yourself and others. Hell, there’s women who use the term that they have big dick energy and I can tell you those women’s dicks are none existent so therefore size isn’t a thing. \nNo one should be made fun of for something they had no control over. The worth of a man is not tied to the size of his penis. Although, toxic masculinity and shallow people will tell you different. They say the same for disabled people, fat people etc. There’s plenty of people who are not “conventional standards of beauty” which is the majority of us, that lead happy, healthy relationships. Those relationships start with yourself and understanding your worth as a person isn’t tied to what you look like or how big your junk is. \nThe point is if you choose to be a trash person like Tate, where your self worth is tied into how cruel/offensive you can be to other people, don’t be mad if people call you out for that trashy attitude. Your post definitely reeks of “men are the true victims” when clearly you didn’t seem to have a problem with a grown man cyber bullying a teenager.",
">\n\nI like how you imply that OP is a fan of a literal human trafficker because they point out that a body-shaming insult is body-shaming. Do you understand why associating a trait of someone's body with negative personality traits is bad?",
">\n\nNo because people like this always have exceptions that allow them to use the things they complain about. Cognitive gymnastics allows them to recognise shaming women and people of colour is bad, because society will eat them otherwise, but when someone shows up who deserves a bit of a roasting all of their social etiquette rules go out the window and the excuses come out as to why in this context it doesn't count.\n\"Ahh no, here it is a reflection of an attitude\" blah blah 3 paragraphs later and we've clouded over the simple fact that body shaming is body shaming and harms people you weren't intending to insult.",
">\n\nPeople like this? You’re assuming things about me because I am a character in your mind not a real person. I am not a monolith. We should not be body shaming people. I am explaining the other side of this issue and why people use these terms. You never asked if I use these same terms in my life. You assumed I do. I don’t. You didn’t even bother to read my response because if you did you would have realized this.",
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">\n\nYou can have smol pp but big pp energy and vice versa",
">\n\nSo why is the phrase small dick energy if it has nothing to do with having a small dick?"
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You know why. Lol cause small dick is associated with bad. And by insulting dicks you use this knowledge to offend, at the cost of body shaming people.
Stop feigning dumb just to avoid the reasoning lol
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"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult.",
">\n\nIt's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh.",
">\n\nHonestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV",
">\n\nPeople can make mistakes and this was one of them.. so we can all just criticize her reply fairly and move on. No need for acute mental gymnastics to defend her as this comments section is showing lmao.",
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">\n\nI don't think anyone is arguing it's not offensive. I'm pretty sure she was trying to offend insecure men. Apparently with great success.",
">\n\nShe was trying to offend men who were insecure about their body image?\nHow is that not body shaming?",
">\n\nIt is, but we playing the avoidance and rationalization game",
">\n\nbecause women invented \"small dick energy\"\nharsh, sad. but we go jim🗿",
">\n\nOP never mentioned women tho. Post is strictly about why it's offensive. Do you disagree that it's not offensive or you think it's a trivial matter to make fun of that men's mental health doesn't matter as much?",
">\n\nThe female equivalent is\n\"Loose Pussy Energy\".\nThe typical man-hate hypocrisy commonly going around is beyond obvious. And it is an attack on All men and boys not just some.",
">\n\nNot a disagreement per se, but also worth noting that it’s transphobic. Which is to say, it insults all men by reinforcing patriarchy and punching down to two groups of men.",
">\n\nShe said small dick energy. Not that he had a small dick (though, come on). She used that phrase BECAUSE it's Tate. She's not a moron.\nHe is, as evidenced by his life to this point and his two responses to Thunberg, which were epically pathetic, is a moron and didn't seem to get it, though he doesn't get a lot.",
">\n\nThis is worse than saying he has a small dick, because how would she know, and that would just be dismissed as stupid.\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\nI can't understand the mental gymnastics some people are doing to try and say this isn't body shaming.",
">\n\n\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\n\nI mean yeah -- kind of like how pussy is an insult denoting cowardice, cunt is an insult meaning basically, terrible, etc., \nShe used that on purpose. Are you making CMV every time you see someone calling someone else a pussy?",
">\n\nPussy is kind of already known to be a shitty gendered insult so it doesn't need a CMV. In this case, Greta's gendered \"having a small penis is bad\" tweet is massively amplified, reached r/all on a shitload of subs, etc. so some discussion about whether or not that is cool is warranted",
">\n\nSmall dick energy isn’t about having a small dick tho. It’s a reflection of an attitude that men who are offensive, aggressive, nasty to people are overcompensating for their insecurities. A small dick doesn’t mean you won’t be able to find a partner or that you’re any less of a man. Being a downright trash bag of a human to others, like in this instance where an internet edgelord is cyber bullying a teenager on the internet who is fighting for the survival of our planet/humanity is an example of this trash behavior, is more of a determining factor. \nYou can also have a small dick but have big dick energy, as it’s reflective of who you are as a person. It’s an attitude. It’s who you choose to be to yourself and others. Hell, there’s women who use the term that they have big dick energy and I can tell you those women’s dicks are none existent so therefore size isn’t a thing. \nNo one should be made fun of for something they had no control over. The worth of a man is not tied to the size of his penis. Although, toxic masculinity and shallow people will tell you different. They say the same for disabled people, fat people etc. There’s plenty of people who are not “conventional standards of beauty” which is the majority of us, that lead happy, healthy relationships. Those relationships start with yourself and understanding your worth as a person isn’t tied to what you look like or how big your junk is. \nThe point is if you choose to be a trash person like Tate, where your self worth is tied into how cruel/offensive you can be to other people, don’t be mad if people call you out for that trashy attitude. Your post definitely reeks of “men are the true victims” when clearly you didn’t seem to have a problem with a grown man cyber bullying a teenager.",
">\n\nI like how you imply that OP is a fan of a literal human trafficker because they point out that a body-shaming insult is body-shaming. Do you understand why associating a trait of someone's body with negative personality traits is bad?",
">\n\nNo because people like this always have exceptions that allow them to use the things they complain about. Cognitive gymnastics allows them to recognise shaming women and people of colour is bad, because society will eat them otherwise, but when someone shows up who deserves a bit of a roasting all of their social etiquette rules go out the window and the excuses come out as to why in this context it doesn't count.\n\"Ahh no, here it is a reflection of an attitude\" blah blah 3 paragraphs later and we've clouded over the simple fact that body shaming is body shaming and harms people you weren't intending to insult.",
">\n\nPeople like this? You’re assuming things about me because I am a character in your mind not a real person. I am not a monolith. We should not be body shaming people. I am explaining the other side of this issue and why people use these terms. You never asked if I use these same terms in my life. You assumed I do. I don’t. You didn’t even bother to read my response because if you did you would have realized this.",
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">\n\nYou can have smol pp but big pp energy and vice versa",
">\n\nSo why is the phrase small dick energy if it has nothing to do with having a small dick?",
">\n\nIdk man, I just work here."
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I can see how it would be offensive, and I wouldn’t use it myself. I feel like the phrase refers more to how someone acts as opposed to how they are endowed. And how it’s behavior and actions that make people think down of you not your penis.
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"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult.",
">\n\nIt's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh.",
">\n\nHonestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV",
">\n\nPeople can make mistakes and this was one of them.. so we can all just criticize her reply fairly and move on. No need for acute mental gymnastics to defend her as this comments section is showing lmao.",
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">\n\nI don't think anyone is arguing it's not offensive. I'm pretty sure she was trying to offend insecure men. Apparently with great success.",
">\n\nShe was trying to offend men who were insecure about their body image?\nHow is that not body shaming?",
">\n\nIt is, but we playing the avoidance and rationalization game",
">\n\nbecause women invented \"small dick energy\"\nharsh, sad. but we go jim🗿",
">\n\nOP never mentioned women tho. Post is strictly about why it's offensive. Do you disagree that it's not offensive or you think it's a trivial matter to make fun of that men's mental health doesn't matter as much?",
">\n\nThe female equivalent is\n\"Loose Pussy Energy\".\nThe typical man-hate hypocrisy commonly going around is beyond obvious. And it is an attack on All men and boys not just some.",
">\n\nNot a disagreement per se, but also worth noting that it’s transphobic. Which is to say, it insults all men by reinforcing patriarchy and punching down to two groups of men.",
">\n\nShe said small dick energy. Not that he had a small dick (though, come on). She used that phrase BECAUSE it's Tate. She's not a moron.\nHe is, as evidenced by his life to this point and his two responses to Thunberg, which were epically pathetic, is a moron and didn't seem to get it, though he doesn't get a lot.",
">\n\nThis is worse than saying he has a small dick, because how would she know, and that would just be dismissed as stupid.\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\nI can't understand the mental gymnastics some people are doing to try and say this isn't body shaming.",
">\n\n\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\n\nI mean yeah -- kind of like how pussy is an insult denoting cowardice, cunt is an insult meaning basically, terrible, etc., \nShe used that on purpose. Are you making CMV every time you see someone calling someone else a pussy?",
">\n\nPussy is kind of already known to be a shitty gendered insult so it doesn't need a CMV. In this case, Greta's gendered \"having a small penis is bad\" tweet is massively amplified, reached r/all on a shitload of subs, etc. so some discussion about whether or not that is cool is warranted",
">\n\nSmall dick energy isn’t about having a small dick tho. It’s a reflection of an attitude that men who are offensive, aggressive, nasty to people are overcompensating for their insecurities. A small dick doesn’t mean you won’t be able to find a partner or that you’re any less of a man. Being a downright trash bag of a human to others, like in this instance where an internet edgelord is cyber bullying a teenager on the internet who is fighting for the survival of our planet/humanity is an example of this trash behavior, is more of a determining factor. \nYou can also have a small dick but have big dick energy, as it’s reflective of who you are as a person. It’s an attitude. It’s who you choose to be to yourself and others. Hell, there’s women who use the term that they have big dick energy and I can tell you those women’s dicks are none existent so therefore size isn’t a thing. \nNo one should be made fun of for something they had no control over. The worth of a man is not tied to the size of his penis. Although, toxic masculinity and shallow people will tell you different. They say the same for disabled people, fat people etc. There’s plenty of people who are not “conventional standards of beauty” which is the majority of us, that lead happy, healthy relationships. Those relationships start with yourself and understanding your worth as a person isn’t tied to what you look like or how big your junk is. \nThe point is if you choose to be a trash person like Tate, where your self worth is tied into how cruel/offensive you can be to other people, don’t be mad if people call you out for that trashy attitude. Your post definitely reeks of “men are the true victims” when clearly you didn’t seem to have a problem with a grown man cyber bullying a teenager.",
">\n\nI like how you imply that OP is a fan of a literal human trafficker because they point out that a body-shaming insult is body-shaming. Do you understand why associating a trait of someone's body with negative personality traits is bad?",
">\n\nNo because people like this always have exceptions that allow them to use the things they complain about. Cognitive gymnastics allows them to recognise shaming women and people of colour is bad, because society will eat them otherwise, but when someone shows up who deserves a bit of a roasting all of their social etiquette rules go out the window and the excuses come out as to why in this context it doesn't count.\n\"Ahh no, here it is a reflection of an attitude\" blah blah 3 paragraphs later and we've clouded over the simple fact that body shaming is body shaming and harms people you weren't intending to insult.",
">\n\nPeople like this? You’re assuming things about me because I am a character in your mind not a real person. I am not a monolith. We should not be body shaming people. I am explaining the other side of this issue and why people use these terms. You never asked if I use these same terms in my life. You assumed I do. I don’t. You didn’t even bother to read my response because if you did you would have realized this.",
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">\n\nYou can have smol pp but big pp energy and vice versa",
">\n\nSo why is the phrase small dick energy if it has nothing to do with having a small dick?",
">\n\nIdk man, I just work here.",
">\n\nYou know why. Lol cause small dick is associated with bad. And by insulting dicks you use this knowledge to offend, at the cost of body shaming people. \nStop feigning dumb just to avoid the reasoning lol"
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Point is that we, as a society, should encourage better insults that attack the comments of the person without necessarily having to equate it to something someone with a small dick.
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"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult.",
">\n\nIt's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh.",
">\n\nHonestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV",
">\n\nPeople can make mistakes and this was one of them.. so we can all just criticize her reply fairly and move on. No need for acute mental gymnastics to defend her as this comments section is showing lmao.",
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">\n\nI don't think anyone is arguing it's not offensive. I'm pretty sure she was trying to offend insecure men. Apparently with great success.",
">\n\nShe was trying to offend men who were insecure about their body image?\nHow is that not body shaming?",
">\n\nIt is, but we playing the avoidance and rationalization game",
">\n\nbecause women invented \"small dick energy\"\nharsh, sad. but we go jim🗿",
">\n\nOP never mentioned women tho. Post is strictly about why it's offensive. Do you disagree that it's not offensive or you think it's a trivial matter to make fun of that men's mental health doesn't matter as much?",
">\n\nThe female equivalent is\n\"Loose Pussy Energy\".\nThe typical man-hate hypocrisy commonly going around is beyond obvious. And it is an attack on All men and boys not just some.",
">\n\nNot a disagreement per se, but also worth noting that it’s transphobic. Which is to say, it insults all men by reinforcing patriarchy and punching down to two groups of men.",
">\n\nShe said small dick energy. Not that he had a small dick (though, come on). She used that phrase BECAUSE it's Tate. She's not a moron.\nHe is, as evidenced by his life to this point and his two responses to Thunberg, which were epically pathetic, is a moron and didn't seem to get it, though he doesn't get a lot.",
">\n\nThis is worse than saying he has a small dick, because how would she know, and that would just be dismissed as stupid.\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\nI can't understand the mental gymnastics some people are doing to try and say this isn't body shaming.",
">\n\n\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\n\nI mean yeah -- kind of like how pussy is an insult denoting cowardice, cunt is an insult meaning basically, terrible, etc., \nShe used that on purpose. Are you making CMV every time you see someone calling someone else a pussy?",
">\n\nPussy is kind of already known to be a shitty gendered insult so it doesn't need a CMV. In this case, Greta's gendered \"having a small penis is bad\" tweet is massively amplified, reached r/all on a shitload of subs, etc. so some discussion about whether or not that is cool is warranted",
">\n\nSmall dick energy isn’t about having a small dick tho. It’s a reflection of an attitude that men who are offensive, aggressive, nasty to people are overcompensating for their insecurities. A small dick doesn’t mean you won’t be able to find a partner or that you’re any less of a man. Being a downright trash bag of a human to others, like in this instance where an internet edgelord is cyber bullying a teenager on the internet who is fighting for the survival of our planet/humanity is an example of this trash behavior, is more of a determining factor. \nYou can also have a small dick but have big dick energy, as it’s reflective of who you are as a person. It’s an attitude. It’s who you choose to be to yourself and others. Hell, there’s women who use the term that they have big dick energy and I can tell you those women’s dicks are none existent so therefore size isn’t a thing. \nNo one should be made fun of for something they had no control over. The worth of a man is not tied to the size of his penis. Although, toxic masculinity and shallow people will tell you different. They say the same for disabled people, fat people etc. There’s plenty of people who are not “conventional standards of beauty” which is the majority of us, that lead happy, healthy relationships. Those relationships start with yourself and understanding your worth as a person isn’t tied to what you look like or how big your junk is. \nThe point is if you choose to be a trash person like Tate, where your self worth is tied into how cruel/offensive you can be to other people, don’t be mad if people call you out for that trashy attitude. Your post definitely reeks of “men are the true victims” when clearly you didn’t seem to have a problem with a grown man cyber bullying a teenager.",
">\n\nI like how you imply that OP is a fan of a literal human trafficker because they point out that a body-shaming insult is body-shaming. Do you understand why associating a trait of someone's body with negative personality traits is bad?",
">\n\nNo because people like this always have exceptions that allow them to use the things they complain about. Cognitive gymnastics allows them to recognise shaming women and people of colour is bad, because society will eat them otherwise, but when someone shows up who deserves a bit of a roasting all of their social etiquette rules go out the window and the excuses come out as to why in this context it doesn't count.\n\"Ahh no, here it is a reflection of an attitude\" blah blah 3 paragraphs later and we've clouded over the simple fact that body shaming is body shaming and harms people you weren't intending to insult.",
">\n\nPeople like this? You’re assuming things about me because I am a character in your mind not a real person. I am not a monolith. We should not be body shaming people. I am explaining the other side of this issue and why people use these terms. You never asked if I use these same terms in my life. You assumed I do. I don’t. You didn’t even bother to read my response because if you did you would have realized this.",
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">\n\nYou can have smol pp but big pp energy and vice versa",
">\n\nSo why is the phrase small dick energy if it has nothing to do with having a small dick?",
">\n\nIdk man, I just work here.",
">\n\nYou know why. Lol cause small dick is associated with bad. And by insulting dicks you use this knowledge to offend, at the cost of body shaming people. \nStop feigning dumb just to avoid the reasoning lol",
">\n\nI can see how it would be offensive, and I wouldn’t use it myself. I feel like the phrase refers more to how someone acts as opposed to how they are endowed. And how it’s behavior and actions that make people think down of you not your penis."
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Would you agree with me, that if Andrew clapped back with one of those that the internet would be up in arms about it?
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"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult.",
">\n\nIt's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh.",
">\n\nHonestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV",
">\n\nPeople can make mistakes and this was one of them.. so we can all just criticize her reply fairly and move on. No need for acute mental gymnastics to defend her as this comments section is showing lmao.",
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">\n\nI don't think anyone is arguing it's not offensive. I'm pretty sure she was trying to offend insecure men. Apparently with great success.",
">\n\nShe was trying to offend men who were insecure about their body image?\nHow is that not body shaming?",
">\n\nIt is, but we playing the avoidance and rationalization game",
">\n\nbecause women invented \"small dick energy\"\nharsh, sad. but we go jim🗿",
">\n\nOP never mentioned women tho. Post is strictly about why it's offensive. Do you disagree that it's not offensive or you think it's a trivial matter to make fun of that men's mental health doesn't matter as much?",
">\n\nThe female equivalent is\n\"Loose Pussy Energy\".\nThe typical man-hate hypocrisy commonly going around is beyond obvious. And it is an attack on All men and boys not just some.",
">\n\nNot a disagreement per se, but also worth noting that it’s transphobic. Which is to say, it insults all men by reinforcing patriarchy and punching down to two groups of men.",
">\n\nShe said small dick energy. Not that he had a small dick (though, come on). She used that phrase BECAUSE it's Tate. She's not a moron.\nHe is, as evidenced by his life to this point and his two responses to Thunberg, which were epically pathetic, is a moron and didn't seem to get it, though he doesn't get a lot.",
">\n\nThis is worse than saying he has a small dick, because how would she know, and that would just be dismissed as stupid.\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\nI can't understand the mental gymnastics some people are doing to try and say this isn't body shaming.",
">\n\n\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\n\nI mean yeah -- kind of like how pussy is an insult denoting cowardice, cunt is an insult meaning basically, terrible, etc., \nShe used that on purpose. Are you making CMV every time you see someone calling someone else a pussy?",
">\n\nPussy is kind of already known to be a shitty gendered insult so it doesn't need a CMV. In this case, Greta's gendered \"having a small penis is bad\" tweet is massively amplified, reached r/all on a shitload of subs, etc. so some discussion about whether or not that is cool is warranted",
">\n\nSmall dick energy isn’t about having a small dick tho. It’s a reflection of an attitude that men who are offensive, aggressive, nasty to people are overcompensating for their insecurities. A small dick doesn’t mean you won’t be able to find a partner or that you’re any less of a man. Being a downright trash bag of a human to others, like in this instance where an internet edgelord is cyber bullying a teenager on the internet who is fighting for the survival of our planet/humanity is an example of this trash behavior, is more of a determining factor. \nYou can also have a small dick but have big dick energy, as it’s reflective of who you are as a person. It’s an attitude. It’s who you choose to be to yourself and others. Hell, there’s women who use the term that they have big dick energy and I can tell you those women’s dicks are none existent so therefore size isn’t a thing. \nNo one should be made fun of for something they had no control over. The worth of a man is not tied to the size of his penis. Although, toxic masculinity and shallow people will tell you different. They say the same for disabled people, fat people etc. There’s plenty of people who are not “conventional standards of beauty” which is the majority of us, that lead happy, healthy relationships. Those relationships start with yourself and understanding your worth as a person isn’t tied to what you look like or how big your junk is. \nThe point is if you choose to be a trash person like Tate, where your self worth is tied into how cruel/offensive you can be to other people, don’t be mad if people call you out for that trashy attitude. Your post definitely reeks of “men are the true victims” when clearly you didn’t seem to have a problem with a grown man cyber bullying a teenager.",
">\n\nI like how you imply that OP is a fan of a literal human trafficker because they point out that a body-shaming insult is body-shaming. Do you understand why associating a trait of someone's body with negative personality traits is bad?",
">\n\nNo because people like this always have exceptions that allow them to use the things they complain about. Cognitive gymnastics allows them to recognise shaming women and people of colour is bad, because society will eat them otherwise, but when someone shows up who deserves a bit of a roasting all of their social etiquette rules go out the window and the excuses come out as to why in this context it doesn't count.\n\"Ahh no, here it is a reflection of an attitude\" blah blah 3 paragraphs later and we've clouded over the simple fact that body shaming is body shaming and harms people you weren't intending to insult.",
">\n\nPeople like this? You’re assuming things about me because I am a character in your mind not a real person. I am not a monolith. We should not be body shaming people. I am explaining the other side of this issue and why people use these terms. You never asked if I use these same terms in my life. You assumed I do. I don’t. You didn’t even bother to read my response because if you did you would have realized this.",
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">\n\nYou can have smol pp but big pp energy and vice versa",
">\n\nSo why is the phrase small dick energy if it has nothing to do with having a small dick?",
">\n\nIdk man, I just work here.",
">\n\nYou know why. Lol cause small dick is associated with bad. And by insulting dicks you use this knowledge to offend, at the cost of body shaming people. \nStop feigning dumb just to avoid the reasoning lol",
">\n\nI can see how it would be offensive, and I wouldn’t use it myself. I feel like the phrase refers more to how someone acts as opposed to how they are endowed. And how it’s behavior and actions that make people think down of you not your penis.",
">\n\nPoint is that we, as a society, should encourage better insults that attack the comments of the person without necessarily having to equate it to something someone with a small dick."
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You mean the way that you are, here, on the internet, up in arms?
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"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult.",
">\n\nIt's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh.",
">\n\nHonestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV",
">\n\nPeople can make mistakes and this was one of them.. so we can all just criticize her reply fairly and move on. No need for acute mental gymnastics to defend her as this comments section is showing lmao.",
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">\n\nI don't think anyone is arguing it's not offensive. I'm pretty sure she was trying to offend insecure men. Apparently with great success.",
">\n\nShe was trying to offend men who were insecure about their body image?\nHow is that not body shaming?",
">\n\nIt is, but we playing the avoidance and rationalization game",
">\n\nbecause women invented \"small dick energy\"\nharsh, sad. but we go jim🗿",
">\n\nOP never mentioned women tho. Post is strictly about why it's offensive. Do you disagree that it's not offensive or you think it's a trivial matter to make fun of that men's mental health doesn't matter as much?",
">\n\nThe female equivalent is\n\"Loose Pussy Energy\".\nThe typical man-hate hypocrisy commonly going around is beyond obvious. And it is an attack on All men and boys not just some.",
">\n\nNot a disagreement per se, but also worth noting that it’s transphobic. Which is to say, it insults all men by reinforcing patriarchy and punching down to two groups of men.",
">\n\nShe said small dick energy. Not that he had a small dick (though, come on). She used that phrase BECAUSE it's Tate. She's not a moron.\nHe is, as evidenced by his life to this point and his two responses to Thunberg, which were epically pathetic, is a moron and didn't seem to get it, though he doesn't get a lot.",
">\n\nThis is worse than saying he has a small dick, because how would she know, and that would just be dismissed as stupid.\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\nI can't understand the mental gymnastics some people are doing to try and say this isn't body shaming.",
">\n\n\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\n\nI mean yeah -- kind of like how pussy is an insult denoting cowardice, cunt is an insult meaning basically, terrible, etc., \nShe used that on purpose. Are you making CMV every time you see someone calling someone else a pussy?",
">\n\nPussy is kind of already known to be a shitty gendered insult so it doesn't need a CMV. In this case, Greta's gendered \"having a small penis is bad\" tweet is massively amplified, reached r/all on a shitload of subs, etc. so some discussion about whether or not that is cool is warranted",
">\n\nSmall dick energy isn’t about having a small dick tho. It’s a reflection of an attitude that men who are offensive, aggressive, nasty to people are overcompensating for their insecurities. A small dick doesn’t mean you won’t be able to find a partner or that you’re any less of a man. Being a downright trash bag of a human to others, like in this instance where an internet edgelord is cyber bullying a teenager on the internet who is fighting for the survival of our planet/humanity is an example of this trash behavior, is more of a determining factor. \nYou can also have a small dick but have big dick energy, as it’s reflective of who you are as a person. It’s an attitude. It’s who you choose to be to yourself and others. Hell, there’s women who use the term that they have big dick energy and I can tell you those women’s dicks are none existent so therefore size isn’t a thing. \nNo one should be made fun of for something they had no control over. The worth of a man is not tied to the size of his penis. Although, toxic masculinity and shallow people will tell you different. They say the same for disabled people, fat people etc. There’s plenty of people who are not “conventional standards of beauty” which is the majority of us, that lead happy, healthy relationships. Those relationships start with yourself and understanding your worth as a person isn’t tied to what you look like or how big your junk is. \nThe point is if you choose to be a trash person like Tate, where your self worth is tied into how cruel/offensive you can be to other people, don’t be mad if people call you out for that trashy attitude. Your post definitely reeks of “men are the true victims” when clearly you didn’t seem to have a problem with a grown man cyber bullying a teenager.",
">\n\nI like how you imply that OP is a fan of a literal human trafficker because they point out that a body-shaming insult is body-shaming. Do you understand why associating a trait of someone's body with negative personality traits is bad?",
">\n\nNo because people like this always have exceptions that allow them to use the things they complain about. Cognitive gymnastics allows them to recognise shaming women and people of colour is bad, because society will eat them otherwise, but when someone shows up who deserves a bit of a roasting all of their social etiquette rules go out the window and the excuses come out as to why in this context it doesn't count.\n\"Ahh no, here it is a reflection of an attitude\" blah blah 3 paragraphs later and we've clouded over the simple fact that body shaming is body shaming and harms people you weren't intending to insult.",
">\n\nPeople like this? You’re assuming things about me because I am a character in your mind not a real person. I am not a monolith. We should not be body shaming people. I am explaining the other side of this issue and why people use these terms. You never asked if I use these same terms in my life. You assumed I do. I don’t. You didn’t even bother to read my response because if you did you would have realized this.",
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">\n\nYou can have smol pp but big pp energy and vice versa",
">\n\nSo why is the phrase small dick energy if it has nothing to do with having a small dick?",
">\n\nIdk man, I just work here.",
">\n\nYou know why. Lol cause small dick is associated with bad. And by insulting dicks you use this knowledge to offend, at the cost of body shaming people. \nStop feigning dumb just to avoid the reasoning lol",
">\n\nI can see how it would be offensive, and I wouldn’t use it myself. I feel like the phrase refers more to how someone acts as opposed to how they are endowed. And how it’s behavior and actions that make people think down of you not your penis.",
">\n\nPoint is that we, as a society, should encourage better insults that attack the comments of the person without necessarily having to equate it to something someone with a small dick.",
">\n\nWould you agree with me, that if Andrew clapped back with one of those that the internet would be up in arms about it?"
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Im one person on reddit, theres no major backlash like there would be if the roles were reversed.
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"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult.",
">\n\nIt's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh.",
">\n\nHonestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV",
">\n\nPeople can make mistakes and this was one of them.. so we can all just criticize her reply fairly and move on. No need for acute mental gymnastics to defend her as this comments section is showing lmao.",
">\n\nSorry, u/Western-Elevator-456 – your comment has been removed for breaking Rule 1:\n\nDirect responses to a CMV post must challenge at least one aspect of OP’s stated view (however minor), or ask a clarifying question. Arguments in favor of the view OP is willing to change must be restricted to replies to other comments. See the wiki page for more information. \n\nIf you would like to appeal, you must first check if your comment falls into the \"Top level comments that are against rule 1\" list, review our appeals process here, then message the moderators by clicking this link within one week of this notice being posted. \nPlease note that multiple violations will lead to a ban, as explained in our moderation standards.",
">\n\nI don't think anyone is arguing it's not offensive. I'm pretty sure she was trying to offend insecure men. Apparently with great success.",
">\n\nShe was trying to offend men who were insecure about their body image?\nHow is that not body shaming?",
">\n\nIt is, but we playing the avoidance and rationalization game",
">\n\nbecause women invented \"small dick energy\"\nharsh, sad. but we go jim🗿",
">\n\nOP never mentioned women tho. Post is strictly about why it's offensive. Do you disagree that it's not offensive or you think it's a trivial matter to make fun of that men's mental health doesn't matter as much?",
">\n\nThe female equivalent is\n\"Loose Pussy Energy\".\nThe typical man-hate hypocrisy commonly going around is beyond obvious. And it is an attack on All men and boys not just some.",
">\n\nNot a disagreement per se, but also worth noting that it’s transphobic. Which is to say, it insults all men by reinforcing patriarchy and punching down to two groups of men.",
">\n\nShe said small dick energy. Not that he had a small dick (though, come on). She used that phrase BECAUSE it's Tate. She's not a moron.\nHe is, as evidenced by his life to this point and his two responses to Thunberg, which were epically pathetic, is a moron and didn't seem to get it, though he doesn't get a lot.",
">\n\nThis is worse than saying he has a small dick, because how would she know, and that would just be dismissed as stupid.\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\nI can't understand the mental gymnastics some people are doing to try and say this isn't body shaming.",
">\n\n\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\n\nI mean yeah -- kind of like how pussy is an insult denoting cowardice, cunt is an insult meaning basically, terrible, etc., \nShe used that on purpose. Are you making CMV every time you see someone calling someone else a pussy?",
">\n\nPussy is kind of already known to be a shitty gendered insult so it doesn't need a CMV. In this case, Greta's gendered \"having a small penis is bad\" tweet is massively amplified, reached r/all on a shitload of subs, etc. so some discussion about whether or not that is cool is warranted",
">\n\nSmall dick energy isn’t about having a small dick tho. It’s a reflection of an attitude that men who are offensive, aggressive, nasty to people are overcompensating for their insecurities. A small dick doesn’t mean you won’t be able to find a partner or that you’re any less of a man. Being a downright trash bag of a human to others, like in this instance where an internet edgelord is cyber bullying a teenager on the internet who is fighting for the survival of our planet/humanity is an example of this trash behavior, is more of a determining factor. \nYou can also have a small dick but have big dick energy, as it’s reflective of who you are as a person. It’s an attitude. It’s who you choose to be to yourself and others. Hell, there’s women who use the term that they have big dick energy and I can tell you those women’s dicks are none existent so therefore size isn’t a thing. \nNo one should be made fun of for something they had no control over. The worth of a man is not tied to the size of his penis. Although, toxic masculinity and shallow people will tell you different. They say the same for disabled people, fat people etc. There’s plenty of people who are not “conventional standards of beauty” which is the majority of us, that lead happy, healthy relationships. Those relationships start with yourself and understanding your worth as a person isn’t tied to what you look like or how big your junk is. \nThe point is if you choose to be a trash person like Tate, where your self worth is tied into how cruel/offensive you can be to other people, don’t be mad if people call you out for that trashy attitude. Your post definitely reeks of “men are the true victims” when clearly you didn’t seem to have a problem with a grown man cyber bullying a teenager.",
">\n\nI like how you imply that OP is a fan of a literal human trafficker because they point out that a body-shaming insult is body-shaming. Do you understand why associating a trait of someone's body with negative personality traits is bad?",
">\n\nNo because people like this always have exceptions that allow them to use the things they complain about. Cognitive gymnastics allows them to recognise shaming women and people of colour is bad, because society will eat them otherwise, but when someone shows up who deserves a bit of a roasting all of their social etiquette rules go out the window and the excuses come out as to why in this context it doesn't count.\n\"Ahh no, here it is a reflection of an attitude\" blah blah 3 paragraphs later and we've clouded over the simple fact that body shaming is body shaming and harms people you weren't intending to insult.",
">\n\nPeople like this? You’re assuming things about me because I am a character in your mind not a real person. I am not a monolith. We should not be body shaming people. I am explaining the other side of this issue and why people use these terms. You never asked if I use these same terms in my life. You assumed I do. I don’t. You didn’t even bother to read my response because if you did you would have realized this.",
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">\n\nYou can have smol pp but big pp energy and vice versa",
">\n\nSo why is the phrase small dick energy if it has nothing to do with having a small dick?",
">\n\nIdk man, I just work here.",
">\n\nYou know why. Lol cause small dick is associated with bad. And by insulting dicks you use this knowledge to offend, at the cost of body shaming people. \nStop feigning dumb just to avoid the reasoning lol",
">\n\nI can see how it would be offensive, and I wouldn’t use it myself. I feel like the phrase refers more to how someone acts as opposed to how they are endowed. And how it’s behavior and actions that make people think down of you not your penis.",
">\n\nPoint is that we, as a society, should encourage better insults that attack the comments of the person without necessarily having to equate it to something someone with a small dick.",
">\n\nWould you agree with me, that if Andrew clapped back with one of those that the internet would be up in arms about it?",
">\n\nYou mean the way that you are, here, on the internet, up in arms?"
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See, what's happening here is that you are also looking at people who are "one person on Reddit" and pretending it's a major backlash. Andrew Tate says fucked up things about women all the time (in fact, it's kind of his whole schtick) and it's as much of a non-event as this is.
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"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult.",
">\n\nIt's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh.",
">\n\nHonestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV",
">\n\nPeople can make mistakes and this was one of them.. so we can all just criticize her reply fairly and move on. No need for acute mental gymnastics to defend her as this comments section is showing lmao.",
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">\n\nI don't think anyone is arguing it's not offensive. I'm pretty sure she was trying to offend insecure men. Apparently with great success.",
">\n\nShe was trying to offend men who were insecure about their body image?\nHow is that not body shaming?",
">\n\nIt is, but we playing the avoidance and rationalization game",
">\n\nbecause women invented \"small dick energy\"\nharsh, sad. but we go jim🗿",
">\n\nOP never mentioned women tho. Post is strictly about why it's offensive. Do you disagree that it's not offensive or you think it's a trivial matter to make fun of that men's mental health doesn't matter as much?",
">\n\nThe female equivalent is\n\"Loose Pussy Energy\".\nThe typical man-hate hypocrisy commonly going around is beyond obvious. And it is an attack on All men and boys not just some.",
">\n\nNot a disagreement per se, but also worth noting that it’s transphobic. Which is to say, it insults all men by reinforcing patriarchy and punching down to two groups of men.",
">\n\nShe said small dick energy. Not that he had a small dick (though, come on). She used that phrase BECAUSE it's Tate. She's not a moron.\nHe is, as evidenced by his life to this point and his two responses to Thunberg, which were epically pathetic, is a moron and didn't seem to get it, though he doesn't get a lot.",
">\n\nThis is worse than saying he has a small dick, because how would she know, and that would just be dismissed as stupid.\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\nI can't understand the mental gymnastics some people are doing to try and say this isn't body shaming.",
">\n\n\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\n\nI mean yeah -- kind of like how pussy is an insult denoting cowardice, cunt is an insult meaning basically, terrible, etc., \nShe used that on purpose. Are you making CMV every time you see someone calling someone else a pussy?",
">\n\nPussy is kind of already known to be a shitty gendered insult so it doesn't need a CMV. In this case, Greta's gendered \"having a small penis is bad\" tweet is massively amplified, reached r/all on a shitload of subs, etc. so some discussion about whether or not that is cool is warranted",
">\n\nSmall dick energy isn’t about having a small dick tho. It’s a reflection of an attitude that men who are offensive, aggressive, nasty to people are overcompensating for their insecurities. A small dick doesn’t mean you won’t be able to find a partner or that you’re any less of a man. Being a downright trash bag of a human to others, like in this instance where an internet edgelord is cyber bullying a teenager on the internet who is fighting for the survival of our planet/humanity is an example of this trash behavior, is more of a determining factor. \nYou can also have a small dick but have big dick energy, as it’s reflective of who you are as a person. It’s an attitude. It’s who you choose to be to yourself and others. Hell, there’s women who use the term that they have big dick energy and I can tell you those women’s dicks are none existent so therefore size isn’t a thing. \nNo one should be made fun of for something they had no control over. The worth of a man is not tied to the size of his penis. Although, toxic masculinity and shallow people will tell you different. They say the same for disabled people, fat people etc. There’s plenty of people who are not “conventional standards of beauty” which is the majority of us, that lead happy, healthy relationships. Those relationships start with yourself and understanding your worth as a person isn’t tied to what you look like or how big your junk is. \nThe point is if you choose to be a trash person like Tate, where your self worth is tied into how cruel/offensive you can be to other people, don’t be mad if people call you out for that trashy attitude. Your post definitely reeks of “men are the true victims” when clearly you didn’t seem to have a problem with a grown man cyber bullying a teenager.",
">\n\nI like how you imply that OP is a fan of a literal human trafficker because they point out that a body-shaming insult is body-shaming. Do you understand why associating a trait of someone's body with negative personality traits is bad?",
">\n\nNo because people like this always have exceptions that allow them to use the things they complain about. Cognitive gymnastics allows them to recognise shaming women and people of colour is bad, because society will eat them otherwise, but when someone shows up who deserves a bit of a roasting all of their social etiquette rules go out the window and the excuses come out as to why in this context it doesn't count.\n\"Ahh no, here it is a reflection of an attitude\" blah blah 3 paragraphs later and we've clouded over the simple fact that body shaming is body shaming and harms people you weren't intending to insult.",
">\n\nPeople like this? You’re assuming things about me because I am a character in your mind not a real person. I am not a monolith. We should not be body shaming people. I am explaining the other side of this issue and why people use these terms. You never asked if I use these same terms in my life. You assumed I do. I don’t. You didn’t even bother to read my response because if you did you would have realized this.",
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">\n\nYou can have smol pp but big pp energy and vice versa",
">\n\nSo why is the phrase small dick energy if it has nothing to do with having a small dick?",
">\n\nIdk man, I just work here.",
">\n\nYou know why. Lol cause small dick is associated with bad. And by insulting dicks you use this knowledge to offend, at the cost of body shaming people. \nStop feigning dumb just to avoid the reasoning lol",
">\n\nI can see how it would be offensive, and I wouldn’t use it myself. I feel like the phrase refers more to how someone acts as opposed to how they are endowed. And how it’s behavior and actions that make people think down of you not your penis.",
">\n\nPoint is that we, as a society, should encourage better insults that attack the comments of the person without necessarily having to equate it to something someone with a small dick.",
">\n\nWould you agree with me, that if Andrew clapped back with one of those that the internet would be up in arms about it?",
">\n\nYou mean the way that you are, here, on the internet, up in arms?",
">\n\nIm one person on reddit, theres no major backlash like there would be if the roles were reversed."
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Please link me to something fucked up hes said about women, and ill agree with you, two wrongs don't make a right.
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"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult.",
">\n\nIt's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh.",
">\n\nHonestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV",
">\n\nPeople can make mistakes and this was one of them.. so we can all just criticize her reply fairly and move on. No need for acute mental gymnastics to defend her as this comments section is showing lmao.",
">\n\nSorry, u/Western-Elevator-456 – your comment has been removed for breaking Rule 1:\n\nDirect responses to a CMV post must challenge at least one aspect of OP’s stated view (however minor), or ask a clarifying question. Arguments in favor of the view OP is willing to change must be restricted to replies to other comments. See the wiki page for more information. \n\nIf you would like to appeal, you must first check if your comment falls into the \"Top level comments that are against rule 1\" list, review our appeals process here, then message the moderators by clicking this link within one week of this notice being posted. \nPlease note that multiple violations will lead to a ban, as explained in our moderation standards.",
">\n\nI don't think anyone is arguing it's not offensive. I'm pretty sure she was trying to offend insecure men. Apparently with great success.",
">\n\nShe was trying to offend men who were insecure about their body image?\nHow is that not body shaming?",
">\n\nIt is, but we playing the avoidance and rationalization game",
">\n\nbecause women invented \"small dick energy\"\nharsh, sad. but we go jim🗿",
">\n\nOP never mentioned women tho. Post is strictly about why it's offensive. Do you disagree that it's not offensive or you think it's a trivial matter to make fun of that men's mental health doesn't matter as much?",
">\n\nThe female equivalent is\n\"Loose Pussy Energy\".\nThe typical man-hate hypocrisy commonly going around is beyond obvious. And it is an attack on All men and boys not just some.",
">\n\nNot a disagreement per se, but also worth noting that it’s transphobic. Which is to say, it insults all men by reinforcing patriarchy and punching down to two groups of men.",
">\n\nShe said small dick energy. Not that he had a small dick (though, come on). She used that phrase BECAUSE it's Tate. She's not a moron.\nHe is, as evidenced by his life to this point and his two responses to Thunberg, which were epically pathetic, is a moron and didn't seem to get it, though he doesn't get a lot.",
">\n\nThis is worse than saying he has a small dick, because how would she know, and that would just be dismissed as stupid.\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\nI can't understand the mental gymnastics some people are doing to try and say this isn't body shaming.",
">\n\n\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\n\nI mean yeah -- kind of like how pussy is an insult denoting cowardice, cunt is an insult meaning basically, terrible, etc., \nShe used that on purpose. Are you making CMV every time you see someone calling someone else a pussy?",
">\n\nPussy is kind of already known to be a shitty gendered insult so it doesn't need a CMV. In this case, Greta's gendered \"having a small penis is bad\" tweet is massively amplified, reached r/all on a shitload of subs, etc. so some discussion about whether or not that is cool is warranted",
">\n\nSmall dick energy isn’t about having a small dick tho. It’s a reflection of an attitude that men who are offensive, aggressive, nasty to people are overcompensating for their insecurities. A small dick doesn’t mean you won’t be able to find a partner or that you’re any less of a man. Being a downright trash bag of a human to others, like in this instance where an internet edgelord is cyber bullying a teenager on the internet who is fighting for the survival of our planet/humanity is an example of this trash behavior, is more of a determining factor. \nYou can also have a small dick but have big dick energy, as it’s reflective of who you are as a person. It’s an attitude. It’s who you choose to be to yourself and others. Hell, there’s women who use the term that they have big dick energy and I can tell you those women’s dicks are none existent so therefore size isn’t a thing. \nNo one should be made fun of for something they had no control over. The worth of a man is not tied to the size of his penis. Although, toxic masculinity and shallow people will tell you different. They say the same for disabled people, fat people etc. There’s plenty of people who are not “conventional standards of beauty” which is the majority of us, that lead happy, healthy relationships. Those relationships start with yourself and understanding your worth as a person isn’t tied to what you look like or how big your junk is. \nThe point is if you choose to be a trash person like Tate, where your self worth is tied into how cruel/offensive you can be to other people, don’t be mad if people call you out for that trashy attitude. Your post definitely reeks of “men are the true victims” when clearly you didn’t seem to have a problem with a grown man cyber bullying a teenager.",
">\n\nI like how you imply that OP is a fan of a literal human trafficker because they point out that a body-shaming insult is body-shaming. Do you understand why associating a trait of someone's body with negative personality traits is bad?",
">\n\nNo because people like this always have exceptions that allow them to use the things they complain about. Cognitive gymnastics allows them to recognise shaming women and people of colour is bad, because society will eat them otherwise, but when someone shows up who deserves a bit of a roasting all of their social etiquette rules go out the window and the excuses come out as to why in this context it doesn't count.\n\"Ahh no, here it is a reflection of an attitude\" blah blah 3 paragraphs later and we've clouded over the simple fact that body shaming is body shaming and harms people you weren't intending to insult.",
">\n\nPeople like this? You’re assuming things about me because I am a character in your mind not a real person. I am not a monolith. We should not be body shaming people. I am explaining the other side of this issue and why people use these terms. You never asked if I use these same terms in my life. You assumed I do. I don’t. You didn’t even bother to read my response because if you did you would have realized this.",
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">\n\nYou can have smol pp but big pp energy and vice versa",
">\n\nSo why is the phrase small dick energy if it has nothing to do with having a small dick?",
">\n\nIdk man, I just work here.",
">\n\nYou know why. Lol cause small dick is associated with bad. And by insulting dicks you use this knowledge to offend, at the cost of body shaming people. \nStop feigning dumb just to avoid the reasoning lol",
">\n\nI can see how it would be offensive, and I wouldn’t use it myself. I feel like the phrase refers more to how someone acts as opposed to how they are endowed. And how it’s behavior and actions that make people think down of you not your penis.",
">\n\nPoint is that we, as a society, should encourage better insults that attack the comments of the person without necessarily having to equate it to something someone with a small dick.",
">\n\nWould you agree with me, that if Andrew clapped back with one of those that the internet would be up in arms about it?",
">\n\nYou mean the way that you are, here, on the internet, up in arms?",
">\n\nIm one person on reddit, theres no major backlash like there would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\nSee, what's happening here is that you are also looking at people who are \"one person on Reddit\" and pretending it's a major backlash. Andrew Tate says fucked up things about women all the time (in fact, it's kind of his whole schtick) and it's as much of a non-event as this is."
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"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult.",
">\n\nIt's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh.",
">\n\nHonestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV",
">\n\nPeople can make mistakes and this was one of them.. so we can all just criticize her reply fairly and move on. No need for acute mental gymnastics to defend her as this comments section is showing lmao.",
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">\n\nI don't think anyone is arguing it's not offensive. I'm pretty sure she was trying to offend insecure men. Apparently with great success.",
">\n\nShe was trying to offend men who were insecure about their body image?\nHow is that not body shaming?",
">\n\nIt is, but we playing the avoidance and rationalization game",
">\n\nbecause women invented \"small dick energy\"\nharsh, sad. but we go jim🗿",
">\n\nOP never mentioned women tho. Post is strictly about why it's offensive. Do you disagree that it's not offensive or you think it's a trivial matter to make fun of that men's mental health doesn't matter as much?",
">\n\nThe female equivalent is\n\"Loose Pussy Energy\".\nThe typical man-hate hypocrisy commonly going around is beyond obvious. And it is an attack on All men and boys not just some.",
">\n\nNot a disagreement per se, but also worth noting that it’s transphobic. Which is to say, it insults all men by reinforcing patriarchy and punching down to two groups of men.",
">\n\nShe said small dick energy. Not that he had a small dick (though, come on). She used that phrase BECAUSE it's Tate. She's not a moron.\nHe is, as evidenced by his life to this point and his two responses to Thunberg, which were epically pathetic, is a moron and didn't seem to get it, though he doesn't get a lot.",
">\n\nThis is worse than saying he has a small dick, because how would she know, and that would just be dismissed as stupid.\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\nI can't understand the mental gymnastics some people are doing to try and say this isn't body shaming.",
">\n\n\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\n\nI mean yeah -- kind of like how pussy is an insult denoting cowardice, cunt is an insult meaning basically, terrible, etc., \nShe used that on purpose. Are you making CMV every time you see someone calling someone else a pussy?",
">\n\nPussy is kind of already known to be a shitty gendered insult so it doesn't need a CMV. In this case, Greta's gendered \"having a small penis is bad\" tweet is massively amplified, reached r/all on a shitload of subs, etc. so some discussion about whether or not that is cool is warranted",
">\n\nSmall dick energy isn’t about having a small dick tho. It’s a reflection of an attitude that men who are offensive, aggressive, nasty to people are overcompensating for their insecurities. A small dick doesn’t mean you won’t be able to find a partner or that you’re any less of a man. Being a downright trash bag of a human to others, like in this instance where an internet edgelord is cyber bullying a teenager on the internet who is fighting for the survival of our planet/humanity is an example of this trash behavior, is more of a determining factor. \nYou can also have a small dick but have big dick energy, as it’s reflective of who you are as a person. It’s an attitude. It’s who you choose to be to yourself and others. Hell, there’s women who use the term that they have big dick energy and I can tell you those women’s dicks are none existent so therefore size isn’t a thing. \nNo one should be made fun of for something they had no control over. The worth of a man is not tied to the size of his penis. Although, toxic masculinity and shallow people will tell you different. They say the same for disabled people, fat people etc. There’s plenty of people who are not “conventional standards of beauty” which is the majority of us, that lead happy, healthy relationships. Those relationships start with yourself and understanding your worth as a person isn’t tied to what you look like or how big your junk is. \nThe point is if you choose to be a trash person like Tate, where your self worth is tied into how cruel/offensive you can be to other people, don’t be mad if people call you out for that trashy attitude. Your post definitely reeks of “men are the true victims” when clearly you didn’t seem to have a problem with a grown man cyber bullying a teenager.",
">\n\nI like how you imply that OP is a fan of a literal human trafficker because they point out that a body-shaming insult is body-shaming. Do you understand why associating a trait of someone's body with negative personality traits is bad?",
">\n\nNo because people like this always have exceptions that allow them to use the things they complain about. Cognitive gymnastics allows them to recognise shaming women and people of colour is bad, because society will eat them otherwise, but when someone shows up who deserves a bit of a roasting all of their social etiquette rules go out the window and the excuses come out as to why in this context it doesn't count.\n\"Ahh no, here it is a reflection of an attitude\" blah blah 3 paragraphs later and we've clouded over the simple fact that body shaming is body shaming and harms people you weren't intending to insult.",
">\n\nPeople like this? You’re assuming things about me because I am a character in your mind not a real person. I am not a monolith. We should not be body shaming people. I am explaining the other side of this issue and why people use these terms. You never asked if I use these same terms in my life. You assumed I do. I don’t. You didn’t even bother to read my response because if you did you would have realized this.",
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">\n\nYou can have smol pp but big pp energy and vice versa",
">\n\nSo why is the phrase small dick energy if it has nothing to do with having a small dick?",
">\n\nIdk man, I just work here.",
">\n\nYou know why. Lol cause small dick is associated with bad. And by insulting dicks you use this knowledge to offend, at the cost of body shaming people. \nStop feigning dumb just to avoid the reasoning lol",
">\n\nI can see how it would be offensive, and I wouldn’t use it myself. I feel like the phrase refers more to how someone acts as opposed to how they are endowed. And how it’s behavior and actions that make people think down of you not your penis.",
">\n\nPoint is that we, as a society, should encourage better insults that attack the comments of the person without necessarily having to equate it to something someone with a small dick.",
">\n\nWould you agree with me, that if Andrew clapped back with one of those that the internet would be up in arms about it?",
">\n\nYou mean the way that you are, here, on the internet, up in arms?",
">\n\nIm one person on reddit, theres no major backlash like there would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\nSee, what's happening here is that you are also looking at people who are \"one person on Reddit\" and pretending it's a major backlash. Andrew Tate says fucked up things about women all the time (in fact, it's kind of his whole schtick) and it's as much of a non-event as this is.",
">\n\nPlease link me to something fucked up hes said about women, and ill agree with you, two wrongs don't make a right."
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Sure I agree with you he has said fucked up stuff about women, it doesn't mean its okay to make a joke about small dick energy.
Do you understand my point?
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"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult.",
">\n\nIt's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh.",
">\n\nHonestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV",
">\n\nPeople can make mistakes and this was one of them.. so we can all just criticize her reply fairly and move on. No need for acute mental gymnastics to defend her as this comments section is showing lmao.",
">\n\nSorry, u/Western-Elevator-456 – your comment has been removed for breaking Rule 1:\n\nDirect responses to a CMV post must challenge at least one aspect of OP’s stated view (however minor), or ask a clarifying question. Arguments in favor of the view OP is willing to change must be restricted to replies to other comments. See the wiki page for more information. \n\nIf you would like to appeal, you must first check if your comment falls into the \"Top level comments that are against rule 1\" list, review our appeals process here, then message the moderators by clicking this link within one week of this notice being posted. \nPlease note that multiple violations will lead to a ban, as explained in our moderation standards.",
">\n\nI don't think anyone is arguing it's not offensive. I'm pretty sure she was trying to offend insecure men. Apparently with great success.",
">\n\nShe was trying to offend men who were insecure about their body image?\nHow is that not body shaming?",
">\n\nIt is, but we playing the avoidance and rationalization game",
">\n\nbecause women invented \"small dick energy\"\nharsh, sad. but we go jim🗿",
">\n\nOP never mentioned women tho. Post is strictly about why it's offensive. Do you disagree that it's not offensive or you think it's a trivial matter to make fun of that men's mental health doesn't matter as much?",
">\n\nThe female equivalent is\n\"Loose Pussy Energy\".\nThe typical man-hate hypocrisy commonly going around is beyond obvious. And it is an attack on All men and boys not just some.",
">\n\nNot a disagreement per se, but also worth noting that it’s transphobic. Which is to say, it insults all men by reinforcing patriarchy and punching down to two groups of men.",
">\n\nShe said small dick energy. Not that he had a small dick (though, come on). She used that phrase BECAUSE it's Tate. She's not a moron.\nHe is, as evidenced by his life to this point and his two responses to Thunberg, which were epically pathetic, is a moron and didn't seem to get it, though he doesn't get a lot.",
">\n\nThis is worse than saying he has a small dick, because how would she know, and that would just be dismissed as stupid.\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\nI can't understand the mental gymnastics some people are doing to try and say this isn't body shaming.",
">\n\n\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\n\nI mean yeah -- kind of like how pussy is an insult denoting cowardice, cunt is an insult meaning basically, terrible, etc., \nShe used that on purpose. Are you making CMV every time you see someone calling someone else a pussy?",
">\n\nPussy is kind of already known to be a shitty gendered insult so it doesn't need a CMV. In this case, Greta's gendered \"having a small penis is bad\" tweet is massively amplified, reached r/all on a shitload of subs, etc. so some discussion about whether or not that is cool is warranted",
">\n\nSmall dick energy isn’t about having a small dick tho. It’s a reflection of an attitude that men who are offensive, aggressive, nasty to people are overcompensating for their insecurities. A small dick doesn’t mean you won’t be able to find a partner or that you’re any less of a man. Being a downright trash bag of a human to others, like in this instance where an internet edgelord is cyber bullying a teenager on the internet who is fighting for the survival of our planet/humanity is an example of this trash behavior, is more of a determining factor. \nYou can also have a small dick but have big dick energy, as it’s reflective of who you are as a person. It’s an attitude. It’s who you choose to be to yourself and others. Hell, there’s women who use the term that they have big dick energy and I can tell you those women’s dicks are none existent so therefore size isn’t a thing. \nNo one should be made fun of for something they had no control over. The worth of a man is not tied to the size of his penis. Although, toxic masculinity and shallow people will tell you different. They say the same for disabled people, fat people etc. There’s plenty of people who are not “conventional standards of beauty” which is the majority of us, that lead happy, healthy relationships. Those relationships start with yourself and understanding your worth as a person isn’t tied to what you look like or how big your junk is. \nThe point is if you choose to be a trash person like Tate, where your self worth is tied into how cruel/offensive you can be to other people, don’t be mad if people call you out for that trashy attitude. Your post definitely reeks of “men are the true victims” when clearly you didn’t seem to have a problem with a grown man cyber bullying a teenager.",
">\n\nI like how you imply that OP is a fan of a literal human trafficker because they point out that a body-shaming insult is body-shaming. Do you understand why associating a trait of someone's body with negative personality traits is bad?",
">\n\nNo because people like this always have exceptions that allow them to use the things they complain about. Cognitive gymnastics allows them to recognise shaming women and people of colour is bad, because society will eat them otherwise, but when someone shows up who deserves a bit of a roasting all of their social etiquette rules go out the window and the excuses come out as to why in this context it doesn't count.\n\"Ahh no, here it is a reflection of an attitude\" blah blah 3 paragraphs later and we've clouded over the simple fact that body shaming is body shaming and harms people you weren't intending to insult.",
">\n\nPeople like this? You’re assuming things about me because I am a character in your mind not a real person. I am not a monolith. We should not be body shaming people. I am explaining the other side of this issue and why people use these terms. You never asked if I use these same terms in my life. You assumed I do. I don’t. You didn’t even bother to read my response because if you did you would have realized this.",
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">\n\nYou can have smol pp but big pp energy and vice versa",
">\n\nSo why is the phrase small dick energy if it has nothing to do with having a small dick?",
">\n\nIdk man, I just work here.",
">\n\nYou know why. Lol cause small dick is associated with bad. And by insulting dicks you use this knowledge to offend, at the cost of body shaming people. \nStop feigning dumb just to avoid the reasoning lol",
">\n\nI can see how it would be offensive, and I wouldn’t use it myself. I feel like the phrase refers more to how someone acts as opposed to how they are endowed. And how it’s behavior and actions that make people think down of you not your penis.",
">\n\nPoint is that we, as a society, should encourage better insults that attack the comments of the person without necessarily having to equate it to something someone with a small dick.",
">\n\nWould you agree with me, that if Andrew clapped back with one of those that the internet would be up in arms about it?",
">\n\nYou mean the way that you are, here, on the internet, up in arms?",
">\n\nIm one person on reddit, theres no major backlash like there would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\nSee, what's happening here is that you are also looking at people who are \"one person on Reddit\" and pretending it's a major backlash. Andrew Tate says fucked up things about women all the time (in fact, it's kind of his whole schtick) and it's as much of a non-event as this is.",
">\n\nPlease link me to something fucked up hes said about women, and ill agree with you, two wrongs don't make a right.",
">\n\nHere's exhibit A."
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We understand, it's just that your point is fucking stupid
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"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult.",
">\n\nIt's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh.",
">\n\nHonestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV",
">\n\nPeople can make mistakes and this was one of them.. so we can all just criticize her reply fairly and move on. No need for acute mental gymnastics to defend her as this comments section is showing lmao.",
">\n\nSorry, u/Western-Elevator-456 – your comment has been removed for breaking Rule 1:\n\nDirect responses to a CMV post must challenge at least one aspect of OP’s stated view (however minor), or ask a clarifying question. Arguments in favor of the view OP is willing to change must be restricted to replies to other comments. See the wiki page for more information. \n\nIf you would like to appeal, you must first check if your comment falls into the \"Top level comments that are against rule 1\" list, review our appeals process here, then message the moderators by clicking this link within one week of this notice being posted. \nPlease note that multiple violations will lead to a ban, as explained in our moderation standards.",
">\n\nI don't think anyone is arguing it's not offensive. I'm pretty sure she was trying to offend insecure men. Apparently with great success.",
">\n\nShe was trying to offend men who were insecure about their body image?\nHow is that not body shaming?",
">\n\nIt is, but we playing the avoidance and rationalization game",
">\n\nbecause women invented \"small dick energy\"\nharsh, sad. but we go jim🗿",
">\n\nOP never mentioned women tho. Post is strictly about why it's offensive. Do you disagree that it's not offensive or you think it's a trivial matter to make fun of that men's mental health doesn't matter as much?",
">\n\nThe female equivalent is\n\"Loose Pussy Energy\".\nThe typical man-hate hypocrisy commonly going around is beyond obvious. And it is an attack on All men and boys not just some.",
">\n\nNot a disagreement per se, but also worth noting that it’s transphobic. Which is to say, it insults all men by reinforcing patriarchy and punching down to two groups of men.",
">\n\nShe said small dick energy. Not that he had a small dick (though, come on). She used that phrase BECAUSE it's Tate. She's not a moron.\nHe is, as evidenced by his life to this point and his two responses to Thunberg, which were epically pathetic, is a moron and didn't seem to get it, though he doesn't get a lot.",
">\n\nThis is worse than saying he has a small dick, because how would she know, and that would just be dismissed as stupid.\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\nI can't understand the mental gymnastics some people are doing to try and say this isn't body shaming.",
">\n\n\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\n\nI mean yeah -- kind of like how pussy is an insult denoting cowardice, cunt is an insult meaning basically, terrible, etc., \nShe used that on purpose. Are you making CMV every time you see someone calling someone else a pussy?",
">\n\nPussy is kind of already known to be a shitty gendered insult so it doesn't need a CMV. In this case, Greta's gendered \"having a small penis is bad\" tweet is massively amplified, reached r/all on a shitload of subs, etc. so some discussion about whether or not that is cool is warranted",
">\n\nSmall dick energy isn’t about having a small dick tho. It’s a reflection of an attitude that men who are offensive, aggressive, nasty to people are overcompensating for their insecurities. A small dick doesn’t mean you won’t be able to find a partner or that you’re any less of a man. Being a downright trash bag of a human to others, like in this instance where an internet edgelord is cyber bullying a teenager on the internet who is fighting for the survival of our planet/humanity is an example of this trash behavior, is more of a determining factor. \nYou can also have a small dick but have big dick energy, as it’s reflective of who you are as a person. It’s an attitude. It’s who you choose to be to yourself and others. Hell, there’s women who use the term that they have big dick energy and I can tell you those women’s dicks are none existent so therefore size isn’t a thing. \nNo one should be made fun of for something they had no control over. The worth of a man is not tied to the size of his penis. Although, toxic masculinity and shallow people will tell you different. They say the same for disabled people, fat people etc. There’s plenty of people who are not “conventional standards of beauty” which is the majority of us, that lead happy, healthy relationships. Those relationships start with yourself and understanding your worth as a person isn’t tied to what you look like or how big your junk is. \nThe point is if you choose to be a trash person like Tate, where your self worth is tied into how cruel/offensive you can be to other people, don’t be mad if people call you out for that trashy attitude. Your post definitely reeks of “men are the true victims” when clearly you didn’t seem to have a problem with a grown man cyber bullying a teenager.",
">\n\nI like how you imply that OP is a fan of a literal human trafficker because they point out that a body-shaming insult is body-shaming. Do you understand why associating a trait of someone's body with negative personality traits is bad?",
">\n\nNo because people like this always have exceptions that allow them to use the things they complain about. Cognitive gymnastics allows them to recognise shaming women and people of colour is bad, because society will eat them otherwise, but when someone shows up who deserves a bit of a roasting all of their social etiquette rules go out the window and the excuses come out as to why in this context it doesn't count.\n\"Ahh no, here it is a reflection of an attitude\" blah blah 3 paragraphs later and we've clouded over the simple fact that body shaming is body shaming and harms people you weren't intending to insult.",
">\n\nPeople like this? You’re assuming things about me because I am a character in your mind not a real person. I am not a monolith. We should not be body shaming people. I am explaining the other side of this issue and why people use these terms. You never asked if I use these same terms in my life. You assumed I do. I don’t. You didn’t even bother to read my response because if you did you would have realized this.",
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">\n\nYou can have smol pp but big pp energy and vice versa",
">\n\nSo why is the phrase small dick energy if it has nothing to do with having a small dick?",
">\n\nIdk man, I just work here.",
">\n\nYou know why. Lol cause small dick is associated with bad. And by insulting dicks you use this knowledge to offend, at the cost of body shaming people. \nStop feigning dumb just to avoid the reasoning lol",
">\n\nI can see how it would be offensive, and I wouldn’t use it myself. I feel like the phrase refers more to how someone acts as opposed to how they are endowed. And how it’s behavior and actions that make people think down of you not your penis.",
">\n\nPoint is that we, as a society, should encourage better insults that attack the comments of the person without necessarily having to equate it to something someone with a small dick.",
">\n\nWould you agree with me, that if Andrew clapped back with one of those that the internet would be up in arms about it?",
">\n\nYou mean the way that you are, here, on the internet, up in arms?",
">\n\nIm one person on reddit, theres no major backlash like there would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\nSee, what's happening here is that you are also looking at people who are \"one person on Reddit\" and pretending it's a major backlash. Andrew Tate says fucked up things about women all the time (in fact, it's kind of his whole schtick) and it's as much of a non-event as this is.",
">\n\nPlease link me to something fucked up hes said about women, and ill agree with you, two wrongs don't make a right.",
">\n\nHere's exhibit A.",
">\n\nSure I agree with you he has said fucked up stuff about women, it doesn't mean its okay to make a joke about small dick energy.\nDo you understand my point?"
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You have no idea what his point is, it's funny that people on this thread OP and others actually like Andrew Tate.
It proves that everyone is completely frothingly tribalistic with zero nuance.
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"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult.",
">\n\nIt's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh.",
">\n\nHonestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV",
">\n\nPeople can make mistakes and this was one of them.. so we can all just criticize her reply fairly and move on. No need for acute mental gymnastics to defend her as this comments section is showing lmao.",
">\n\nSorry, u/Western-Elevator-456 – your comment has been removed for breaking Rule 1:\n\nDirect responses to a CMV post must challenge at least one aspect of OP’s stated view (however minor), or ask a clarifying question. Arguments in favor of the view OP is willing to change must be restricted to replies to other comments. See the wiki page for more information. \n\nIf you would like to appeal, you must first check if your comment falls into the \"Top level comments that are against rule 1\" list, review our appeals process here, then message the moderators by clicking this link within one week of this notice being posted. \nPlease note that multiple violations will lead to a ban, as explained in our moderation standards.",
">\n\nI don't think anyone is arguing it's not offensive. I'm pretty sure she was trying to offend insecure men. Apparently with great success.",
">\n\nShe was trying to offend men who were insecure about their body image?\nHow is that not body shaming?",
">\n\nIt is, but we playing the avoidance and rationalization game",
">\n\nbecause women invented \"small dick energy\"\nharsh, sad. but we go jim🗿",
">\n\nOP never mentioned women tho. Post is strictly about why it's offensive. Do you disagree that it's not offensive or you think it's a trivial matter to make fun of that men's mental health doesn't matter as much?",
">\n\nThe female equivalent is\n\"Loose Pussy Energy\".\nThe typical man-hate hypocrisy commonly going around is beyond obvious. And it is an attack on All men and boys not just some.",
">\n\nNot a disagreement per se, but also worth noting that it’s transphobic. Which is to say, it insults all men by reinforcing patriarchy and punching down to two groups of men.",
">\n\nShe said small dick energy. Not that he had a small dick (though, come on). She used that phrase BECAUSE it's Tate. She's not a moron.\nHe is, as evidenced by his life to this point and his two responses to Thunberg, which were epically pathetic, is a moron and didn't seem to get it, though he doesn't get a lot.",
">\n\nThis is worse than saying he has a small dick, because how would she know, and that would just be dismissed as stupid.\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\nI can't understand the mental gymnastics some people are doing to try and say this isn't body shaming.",
">\n\n\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\n\nI mean yeah -- kind of like how pussy is an insult denoting cowardice, cunt is an insult meaning basically, terrible, etc., \nShe used that on purpose. Are you making CMV every time you see someone calling someone else a pussy?",
">\n\nPussy is kind of already known to be a shitty gendered insult so it doesn't need a CMV. In this case, Greta's gendered \"having a small penis is bad\" tweet is massively amplified, reached r/all on a shitload of subs, etc. so some discussion about whether or not that is cool is warranted",
">\n\nSmall dick energy isn’t about having a small dick tho. It’s a reflection of an attitude that men who are offensive, aggressive, nasty to people are overcompensating for their insecurities. A small dick doesn’t mean you won’t be able to find a partner or that you’re any less of a man. Being a downright trash bag of a human to others, like in this instance where an internet edgelord is cyber bullying a teenager on the internet who is fighting for the survival of our planet/humanity is an example of this trash behavior, is more of a determining factor. \nYou can also have a small dick but have big dick energy, as it’s reflective of who you are as a person. It’s an attitude. It’s who you choose to be to yourself and others. Hell, there’s women who use the term that they have big dick energy and I can tell you those women’s dicks are none existent so therefore size isn’t a thing. \nNo one should be made fun of for something they had no control over. The worth of a man is not tied to the size of his penis. Although, toxic masculinity and shallow people will tell you different. They say the same for disabled people, fat people etc. There’s plenty of people who are not “conventional standards of beauty” which is the majority of us, that lead happy, healthy relationships. Those relationships start with yourself and understanding your worth as a person isn’t tied to what you look like or how big your junk is. \nThe point is if you choose to be a trash person like Tate, where your self worth is tied into how cruel/offensive you can be to other people, don’t be mad if people call you out for that trashy attitude. Your post definitely reeks of “men are the true victims” when clearly you didn’t seem to have a problem with a grown man cyber bullying a teenager.",
">\n\nI like how you imply that OP is a fan of a literal human trafficker because they point out that a body-shaming insult is body-shaming. Do you understand why associating a trait of someone's body with negative personality traits is bad?",
">\n\nNo because people like this always have exceptions that allow them to use the things they complain about. Cognitive gymnastics allows them to recognise shaming women and people of colour is bad, because society will eat them otherwise, but when someone shows up who deserves a bit of a roasting all of their social etiquette rules go out the window and the excuses come out as to why in this context it doesn't count.\n\"Ahh no, here it is a reflection of an attitude\" blah blah 3 paragraphs later and we've clouded over the simple fact that body shaming is body shaming and harms people you weren't intending to insult.",
">\n\nPeople like this? You’re assuming things about me because I am a character in your mind not a real person. I am not a monolith. We should not be body shaming people. I am explaining the other side of this issue and why people use these terms. You never asked if I use these same terms in my life. You assumed I do. I don’t. You didn’t even bother to read my response because if you did you would have realized this.",
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">\n\nYou can have smol pp but big pp energy and vice versa",
">\n\nSo why is the phrase small dick energy if it has nothing to do with having a small dick?",
">\n\nIdk man, I just work here.",
">\n\nYou know why. Lol cause small dick is associated with bad. And by insulting dicks you use this knowledge to offend, at the cost of body shaming people. \nStop feigning dumb just to avoid the reasoning lol",
">\n\nI can see how it would be offensive, and I wouldn’t use it myself. I feel like the phrase refers more to how someone acts as opposed to how they are endowed. And how it’s behavior and actions that make people think down of you not your penis.",
">\n\nPoint is that we, as a society, should encourage better insults that attack the comments of the person without necessarily having to equate it to something someone with a small dick.",
">\n\nWould you agree with me, that if Andrew clapped back with one of those that the internet would be up in arms about it?",
">\n\nYou mean the way that you are, here, on the internet, up in arms?",
">\n\nIm one person on reddit, theres no major backlash like there would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\nSee, what's happening here is that you are also looking at people who are \"one person on Reddit\" and pretending it's a major backlash. Andrew Tate says fucked up things about women all the time (in fact, it's kind of his whole schtick) and it's as much of a non-event as this is.",
">\n\nPlease link me to something fucked up hes said about women, and ill agree with you, two wrongs don't make a right.",
">\n\nHere's exhibit A.",
">\n\nSure I agree with you he has said fucked up stuff about women, it doesn't mean its okay to make a joke about small dick energy.\nDo you understand my point?",
">\n\nWe understand, it's just that your point is fucking stupid"
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If someone is behaving insufferably, people are going to laugh at them for things that they wouldn’t find funny if it happened to someone they liked.
For example, is it funny when people go bankrupt? No. Would it be funny if someone like Andrew Tate went bankrupt after boasting about Bugattis and all of his mass wealth? Yes. This doesn’t mean people who would make fun of him for that are making fun of poverty or all people who lose their livelihoods, it would just be funny if it happened to that particular person.
In the same way, the idea that Tate does all the douchey, over the top macho things that he does in order to compensate for having a small penis is funny, whilst it not being funny to make fun of every person who has a small penis.
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"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult.",
">\n\nIt's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh.",
">\n\nHonestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV",
">\n\nPeople can make mistakes and this was one of them.. so we can all just criticize her reply fairly and move on. No need for acute mental gymnastics to defend her as this comments section is showing lmao.",
">\n\nSorry, u/Western-Elevator-456 – your comment has been removed for breaking Rule 1:\n\nDirect responses to a CMV post must challenge at least one aspect of OP’s stated view (however minor), or ask a clarifying question. Arguments in favor of the view OP is willing to change must be restricted to replies to other comments. See the wiki page for more information. \n\nIf you would like to appeal, you must first check if your comment falls into the \"Top level comments that are against rule 1\" list, review our appeals process here, then message the moderators by clicking this link within one week of this notice being posted. \nPlease note that multiple violations will lead to a ban, as explained in our moderation standards.",
">\n\nI don't think anyone is arguing it's not offensive. I'm pretty sure she was trying to offend insecure men. Apparently with great success.",
">\n\nShe was trying to offend men who were insecure about their body image?\nHow is that not body shaming?",
">\n\nIt is, but we playing the avoidance and rationalization game",
">\n\nbecause women invented \"small dick energy\"\nharsh, sad. but we go jim🗿",
">\n\nOP never mentioned women tho. Post is strictly about why it's offensive. Do you disagree that it's not offensive or you think it's a trivial matter to make fun of that men's mental health doesn't matter as much?",
">\n\nThe female equivalent is\n\"Loose Pussy Energy\".\nThe typical man-hate hypocrisy commonly going around is beyond obvious. And it is an attack on All men and boys not just some.",
">\n\nNot a disagreement per se, but also worth noting that it’s transphobic. Which is to say, it insults all men by reinforcing patriarchy and punching down to two groups of men.",
">\n\nShe said small dick energy. Not that he had a small dick (though, come on). She used that phrase BECAUSE it's Tate. She's not a moron.\nHe is, as evidenced by his life to this point and his two responses to Thunberg, which were epically pathetic, is a moron and didn't seem to get it, though he doesn't get a lot.",
">\n\nThis is worse than saying he has a small dick, because how would she know, and that would just be dismissed as stupid.\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\nI can't understand the mental gymnastics some people are doing to try and say this isn't body shaming.",
">\n\n\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\n\nI mean yeah -- kind of like how pussy is an insult denoting cowardice, cunt is an insult meaning basically, terrible, etc., \nShe used that on purpose. Are you making CMV every time you see someone calling someone else a pussy?",
">\n\nPussy is kind of already known to be a shitty gendered insult so it doesn't need a CMV. In this case, Greta's gendered \"having a small penis is bad\" tweet is massively amplified, reached r/all on a shitload of subs, etc. so some discussion about whether or not that is cool is warranted",
">\n\nSmall dick energy isn’t about having a small dick tho. It’s a reflection of an attitude that men who are offensive, aggressive, nasty to people are overcompensating for their insecurities. A small dick doesn’t mean you won’t be able to find a partner or that you’re any less of a man. Being a downright trash bag of a human to others, like in this instance where an internet edgelord is cyber bullying a teenager on the internet who is fighting for the survival of our planet/humanity is an example of this trash behavior, is more of a determining factor. \nYou can also have a small dick but have big dick energy, as it’s reflective of who you are as a person. It’s an attitude. It’s who you choose to be to yourself and others. Hell, there’s women who use the term that they have big dick energy and I can tell you those women’s dicks are none existent so therefore size isn’t a thing. \nNo one should be made fun of for something they had no control over. The worth of a man is not tied to the size of his penis. Although, toxic masculinity and shallow people will tell you different. They say the same for disabled people, fat people etc. There’s plenty of people who are not “conventional standards of beauty” which is the majority of us, that lead happy, healthy relationships. Those relationships start with yourself and understanding your worth as a person isn’t tied to what you look like or how big your junk is. \nThe point is if you choose to be a trash person like Tate, where your self worth is tied into how cruel/offensive you can be to other people, don’t be mad if people call you out for that trashy attitude. Your post definitely reeks of “men are the true victims” when clearly you didn’t seem to have a problem with a grown man cyber bullying a teenager.",
">\n\nI like how you imply that OP is a fan of a literal human trafficker because they point out that a body-shaming insult is body-shaming. Do you understand why associating a trait of someone's body with negative personality traits is bad?",
">\n\nNo because people like this always have exceptions that allow them to use the things they complain about. Cognitive gymnastics allows them to recognise shaming women and people of colour is bad, because society will eat them otherwise, but when someone shows up who deserves a bit of a roasting all of their social etiquette rules go out the window and the excuses come out as to why in this context it doesn't count.\n\"Ahh no, here it is a reflection of an attitude\" blah blah 3 paragraphs later and we've clouded over the simple fact that body shaming is body shaming and harms people you weren't intending to insult.",
">\n\nPeople like this? You’re assuming things about me because I am a character in your mind not a real person. I am not a monolith. We should not be body shaming people. I am explaining the other side of this issue and why people use these terms. You never asked if I use these same terms in my life. You assumed I do. I don’t. You didn’t even bother to read my response because if you did you would have realized this.",
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">\n\nYou can have smol pp but big pp energy and vice versa",
">\n\nSo why is the phrase small dick energy if it has nothing to do with having a small dick?",
">\n\nIdk man, I just work here.",
">\n\nYou know why. Lol cause small dick is associated with bad. And by insulting dicks you use this knowledge to offend, at the cost of body shaming people. \nStop feigning dumb just to avoid the reasoning lol",
">\n\nI can see how it would be offensive, and I wouldn’t use it myself. I feel like the phrase refers more to how someone acts as opposed to how they are endowed. And how it’s behavior and actions that make people think down of you not your penis.",
">\n\nPoint is that we, as a society, should encourage better insults that attack the comments of the person without necessarily having to equate it to something someone with a small dick.",
">\n\nWould you agree with me, that if Andrew clapped back with one of those that the internet would be up in arms about it?",
">\n\nYou mean the way that you are, here, on the internet, up in arms?",
">\n\nIm one person on reddit, theres no major backlash like there would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\nSee, what's happening here is that you are also looking at people who are \"one person on Reddit\" and pretending it's a major backlash. Andrew Tate says fucked up things about women all the time (in fact, it's kind of his whole schtick) and it's as much of a non-event as this is.",
">\n\nPlease link me to something fucked up hes said about women, and ill agree with you, two wrongs don't make a right.",
">\n\nHere's exhibit A.",
">\n\nSure I agree with you he has said fucked up stuff about women, it doesn't mean its okay to make a joke about small dick energy.\nDo you understand my point?",
">\n\nWe understand, it's just that your point is fucking stupid",
">\n\nYou have no idea what his point is, it's funny that people on this thread OP and others actually like Andrew Tate.\nIt proves that everyone is completely frothingly tribalistic with zero nuance."
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Substitute fat. Is that ok?
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"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult.",
">\n\nIt's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh.",
">\n\nHonestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV",
">\n\nPeople can make mistakes and this was one of them.. so we can all just criticize her reply fairly and move on. No need for acute mental gymnastics to defend her as this comments section is showing lmao.",
">\n\nSorry, u/Western-Elevator-456 – your comment has been removed for breaking Rule 1:\n\nDirect responses to a CMV post must challenge at least one aspect of OP’s stated view (however minor), or ask a clarifying question. Arguments in favor of the view OP is willing to change must be restricted to replies to other comments. See the wiki page for more information. \n\nIf you would like to appeal, you must first check if your comment falls into the \"Top level comments that are against rule 1\" list, review our appeals process here, then message the moderators by clicking this link within one week of this notice being posted. \nPlease note that multiple violations will lead to a ban, as explained in our moderation standards.",
">\n\nI don't think anyone is arguing it's not offensive. I'm pretty sure she was trying to offend insecure men. Apparently with great success.",
">\n\nShe was trying to offend men who were insecure about their body image?\nHow is that not body shaming?",
">\n\nIt is, but we playing the avoidance and rationalization game",
">\n\nbecause women invented \"small dick energy\"\nharsh, sad. but we go jim🗿",
">\n\nOP never mentioned women tho. Post is strictly about why it's offensive. Do you disagree that it's not offensive or you think it's a trivial matter to make fun of that men's mental health doesn't matter as much?",
">\n\nThe female equivalent is\n\"Loose Pussy Energy\".\nThe typical man-hate hypocrisy commonly going around is beyond obvious. And it is an attack on All men and boys not just some.",
">\n\nNot a disagreement per se, but also worth noting that it’s transphobic. Which is to say, it insults all men by reinforcing patriarchy and punching down to two groups of men.",
">\n\nShe said small dick energy. Not that he had a small dick (though, come on). She used that phrase BECAUSE it's Tate. She's not a moron.\nHe is, as evidenced by his life to this point and his two responses to Thunberg, which were epically pathetic, is a moron and didn't seem to get it, though he doesn't get a lot.",
">\n\nThis is worse than saying he has a small dick, because how would she know, and that would just be dismissed as stupid.\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\nI can't understand the mental gymnastics some people are doing to try and say this isn't body shaming.",
">\n\n\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\n\nI mean yeah -- kind of like how pussy is an insult denoting cowardice, cunt is an insult meaning basically, terrible, etc., \nShe used that on purpose. Are you making CMV every time you see someone calling someone else a pussy?",
">\n\nPussy is kind of already known to be a shitty gendered insult so it doesn't need a CMV. In this case, Greta's gendered \"having a small penis is bad\" tweet is massively amplified, reached r/all on a shitload of subs, etc. so some discussion about whether or not that is cool is warranted",
">\n\nSmall dick energy isn’t about having a small dick tho. It’s a reflection of an attitude that men who are offensive, aggressive, nasty to people are overcompensating for their insecurities. A small dick doesn’t mean you won’t be able to find a partner or that you’re any less of a man. Being a downright trash bag of a human to others, like in this instance where an internet edgelord is cyber bullying a teenager on the internet who is fighting for the survival of our planet/humanity is an example of this trash behavior, is more of a determining factor. \nYou can also have a small dick but have big dick energy, as it’s reflective of who you are as a person. It’s an attitude. It’s who you choose to be to yourself and others. Hell, there’s women who use the term that they have big dick energy and I can tell you those women’s dicks are none existent so therefore size isn’t a thing. \nNo one should be made fun of for something they had no control over. The worth of a man is not tied to the size of his penis. Although, toxic masculinity and shallow people will tell you different. They say the same for disabled people, fat people etc. There’s plenty of people who are not “conventional standards of beauty” which is the majority of us, that lead happy, healthy relationships. Those relationships start with yourself and understanding your worth as a person isn’t tied to what you look like or how big your junk is. \nThe point is if you choose to be a trash person like Tate, where your self worth is tied into how cruel/offensive you can be to other people, don’t be mad if people call you out for that trashy attitude. Your post definitely reeks of “men are the true victims” when clearly you didn’t seem to have a problem with a grown man cyber bullying a teenager.",
">\n\nI like how you imply that OP is a fan of a literal human trafficker because they point out that a body-shaming insult is body-shaming. Do you understand why associating a trait of someone's body with negative personality traits is bad?",
">\n\nNo because people like this always have exceptions that allow them to use the things they complain about. Cognitive gymnastics allows them to recognise shaming women and people of colour is bad, because society will eat them otherwise, but when someone shows up who deserves a bit of a roasting all of their social etiquette rules go out the window and the excuses come out as to why in this context it doesn't count.\n\"Ahh no, here it is a reflection of an attitude\" blah blah 3 paragraphs later and we've clouded over the simple fact that body shaming is body shaming and harms people you weren't intending to insult.",
">\n\nPeople like this? You’re assuming things about me because I am a character in your mind not a real person. I am not a monolith. We should not be body shaming people. I am explaining the other side of this issue and why people use these terms. You never asked if I use these same terms in my life. You assumed I do. I don’t. You didn’t even bother to read my response because if you did you would have realized this.",
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">\n\nYou can have smol pp but big pp energy and vice versa",
">\n\nSo why is the phrase small dick energy if it has nothing to do with having a small dick?",
">\n\nIdk man, I just work here.",
">\n\nYou know why. Lol cause small dick is associated with bad. And by insulting dicks you use this knowledge to offend, at the cost of body shaming people. \nStop feigning dumb just to avoid the reasoning lol",
">\n\nI can see how it would be offensive, and I wouldn’t use it myself. I feel like the phrase refers more to how someone acts as opposed to how they are endowed. And how it’s behavior and actions that make people think down of you not your penis.",
">\n\nPoint is that we, as a society, should encourage better insults that attack the comments of the person without necessarily having to equate it to something someone with a small dick.",
">\n\nWould you agree with me, that if Andrew clapped back with one of those that the internet would be up in arms about it?",
">\n\nYou mean the way that you are, here, on the internet, up in arms?",
">\n\nIm one person on reddit, theres no major backlash like there would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\nSee, what's happening here is that you are also looking at people who are \"one person on Reddit\" and pretending it's a major backlash. Andrew Tate says fucked up things about women all the time (in fact, it's kind of his whole schtick) and it's as much of a non-event as this is.",
">\n\nPlease link me to something fucked up hes said about women, and ill agree with you, two wrongs don't make a right.",
">\n\nHere's exhibit A.",
">\n\nSure I agree with you he has said fucked up stuff about women, it doesn't mean its okay to make a joke about small dick energy.\nDo you understand my point?",
">\n\nWe understand, it's just that your point is fucking stupid",
">\n\nYou have no idea what his point is, it's funny that people on this thread OP and others actually like Andrew Tate.\nIt proves that everyone is completely frothingly tribalistic with zero nuance.",
">\n\nIf someone is behaving insufferably, people are going to laugh at them for things that they wouldn’t find funny if it happened to someone they liked.\nFor example, is it funny when people go bankrupt? No. Would it be funny if someone like Andrew Tate went bankrupt after boasting about Bugattis and all of his mass wealth? Yes. This doesn’t mean people who would make fun of him for that are making fun of poverty or all people who lose their livelihoods, it would just be funny if it happened to that particular person. \nIn the same way, the idea that Tate does all the douchey, over the top macho things that he does in order to compensate for having a small penis is funny, whilst it not being funny to make fun of every person who has a small penis."
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Depends on what the fat person is doing. If the person is minding their own business then no, if the fat person is attacking other people’s appearances then yeah go for it.
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"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult.",
">\n\nIt's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh.",
">\n\nHonestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV",
">\n\nPeople can make mistakes and this was one of them.. so we can all just criticize her reply fairly and move on. No need for acute mental gymnastics to defend her as this comments section is showing lmao.",
">\n\nSorry, u/Western-Elevator-456 – your comment has been removed for breaking Rule 1:\n\nDirect responses to a CMV post must challenge at least one aspect of OP’s stated view (however minor), or ask a clarifying question. Arguments in favor of the view OP is willing to change must be restricted to replies to other comments. See the wiki page for more information. \n\nIf you would like to appeal, you must first check if your comment falls into the \"Top level comments that are against rule 1\" list, review our appeals process here, then message the moderators by clicking this link within one week of this notice being posted. \nPlease note that multiple violations will lead to a ban, as explained in our moderation standards.",
">\n\nI don't think anyone is arguing it's not offensive. I'm pretty sure she was trying to offend insecure men. Apparently with great success.",
">\n\nShe was trying to offend men who were insecure about their body image?\nHow is that not body shaming?",
">\n\nIt is, but we playing the avoidance and rationalization game",
">\n\nbecause women invented \"small dick energy\"\nharsh, sad. but we go jim🗿",
">\n\nOP never mentioned women tho. Post is strictly about why it's offensive. Do you disagree that it's not offensive or you think it's a trivial matter to make fun of that men's mental health doesn't matter as much?",
">\n\nThe female equivalent is\n\"Loose Pussy Energy\".\nThe typical man-hate hypocrisy commonly going around is beyond obvious. And it is an attack on All men and boys not just some.",
">\n\nNot a disagreement per se, but also worth noting that it’s transphobic. Which is to say, it insults all men by reinforcing patriarchy and punching down to two groups of men.",
">\n\nShe said small dick energy. Not that he had a small dick (though, come on). She used that phrase BECAUSE it's Tate. She's not a moron.\nHe is, as evidenced by his life to this point and his two responses to Thunberg, which were epically pathetic, is a moron and didn't seem to get it, though he doesn't get a lot.",
">\n\nThis is worse than saying he has a small dick, because how would she know, and that would just be dismissed as stupid.\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\nI can't understand the mental gymnastics some people are doing to try and say this isn't body shaming.",
">\n\n\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\n\nI mean yeah -- kind of like how pussy is an insult denoting cowardice, cunt is an insult meaning basically, terrible, etc., \nShe used that on purpose. Are you making CMV every time you see someone calling someone else a pussy?",
">\n\nPussy is kind of already known to be a shitty gendered insult so it doesn't need a CMV. In this case, Greta's gendered \"having a small penis is bad\" tweet is massively amplified, reached r/all on a shitload of subs, etc. so some discussion about whether or not that is cool is warranted",
">\n\nSmall dick energy isn’t about having a small dick tho. It’s a reflection of an attitude that men who are offensive, aggressive, nasty to people are overcompensating for their insecurities. A small dick doesn’t mean you won’t be able to find a partner or that you’re any less of a man. Being a downright trash bag of a human to others, like in this instance where an internet edgelord is cyber bullying a teenager on the internet who is fighting for the survival of our planet/humanity is an example of this trash behavior, is more of a determining factor. \nYou can also have a small dick but have big dick energy, as it’s reflective of who you are as a person. It’s an attitude. It’s who you choose to be to yourself and others. Hell, there’s women who use the term that they have big dick energy and I can tell you those women’s dicks are none existent so therefore size isn’t a thing. \nNo one should be made fun of for something they had no control over. The worth of a man is not tied to the size of his penis. Although, toxic masculinity and shallow people will tell you different. They say the same for disabled people, fat people etc. There’s plenty of people who are not “conventional standards of beauty” which is the majority of us, that lead happy, healthy relationships. Those relationships start with yourself and understanding your worth as a person isn’t tied to what you look like or how big your junk is. \nThe point is if you choose to be a trash person like Tate, where your self worth is tied into how cruel/offensive you can be to other people, don’t be mad if people call you out for that trashy attitude. Your post definitely reeks of “men are the true victims” when clearly you didn’t seem to have a problem with a grown man cyber bullying a teenager.",
">\n\nI like how you imply that OP is a fan of a literal human trafficker because they point out that a body-shaming insult is body-shaming. Do you understand why associating a trait of someone's body with negative personality traits is bad?",
">\n\nNo because people like this always have exceptions that allow them to use the things they complain about. Cognitive gymnastics allows them to recognise shaming women and people of colour is bad, because society will eat them otherwise, but when someone shows up who deserves a bit of a roasting all of their social etiquette rules go out the window and the excuses come out as to why in this context it doesn't count.\n\"Ahh no, here it is a reflection of an attitude\" blah blah 3 paragraphs later and we've clouded over the simple fact that body shaming is body shaming and harms people you weren't intending to insult.",
">\n\nPeople like this? You’re assuming things about me because I am a character in your mind not a real person. I am not a monolith. We should not be body shaming people. I am explaining the other side of this issue and why people use these terms. You never asked if I use these same terms in my life. You assumed I do. I don’t. You didn’t even bother to read my response because if you did you would have realized this.",
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">\n\nYou can have smol pp but big pp energy and vice versa",
">\n\nSo why is the phrase small dick energy if it has nothing to do with having a small dick?",
">\n\nIdk man, I just work here.",
">\n\nYou know why. Lol cause small dick is associated with bad. And by insulting dicks you use this knowledge to offend, at the cost of body shaming people. \nStop feigning dumb just to avoid the reasoning lol",
">\n\nI can see how it would be offensive, and I wouldn’t use it myself. I feel like the phrase refers more to how someone acts as opposed to how they are endowed. And how it’s behavior and actions that make people think down of you not your penis.",
">\n\nPoint is that we, as a society, should encourage better insults that attack the comments of the person without necessarily having to equate it to something someone with a small dick.",
">\n\nWould you agree with me, that if Andrew clapped back with one of those that the internet would be up in arms about it?",
">\n\nYou mean the way that you are, here, on the internet, up in arms?",
">\n\nIm one person on reddit, theres no major backlash like there would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\nSee, what's happening here is that you are also looking at people who are \"one person on Reddit\" and pretending it's a major backlash. Andrew Tate says fucked up things about women all the time (in fact, it's kind of his whole schtick) and it's as much of a non-event as this is.",
">\n\nPlease link me to something fucked up hes said about women, and ill agree with you, two wrongs don't make a right.",
">\n\nHere's exhibit A.",
">\n\nSure I agree with you he has said fucked up stuff about women, it doesn't mean its okay to make a joke about small dick energy.\nDo you understand my point?",
">\n\nWe understand, it's just that your point is fucking stupid",
">\n\nYou have no idea what his point is, it's funny that people on this thread OP and others actually like Andrew Tate.\nIt proves that everyone is completely frothingly tribalistic with zero nuance.",
">\n\nIf someone is behaving insufferably, people are going to laugh at them for things that they wouldn’t find funny if it happened to someone they liked.\nFor example, is it funny when people go bankrupt? No. Would it be funny if someone like Andrew Tate went bankrupt after boasting about Bugattis and all of his mass wealth? Yes. This doesn’t mean people who would make fun of him for that are making fun of poverty or all people who lose their livelihoods, it would just be funny if it happened to that particular person. \nIn the same way, the idea that Tate does all the douchey, over the top macho things that he does in order to compensate for having a small penis is funny, whilst it not being funny to make fun of every person who has a small penis.",
">\n\nSubstitute fat. Is that ok?"
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Interesting take. Might want to play with that a bit. A lot of situations where your reasoning falls apart.
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"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult.",
">\n\nIt's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh.",
">\n\nHonestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV",
">\n\nPeople can make mistakes and this was one of them.. so we can all just criticize her reply fairly and move on. No need for acute mental gymnastics to defend her as this comments section is showing lmao.",
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">\n\nI don't think anyone is arguing it's not offensive. I'm pretty sure she was trying to offend insecure men. Apparently with great success.",
">\n\nShe was trying to offend men who were insecure about their body image?\nHow is that not body shaming?",
">\n\nIt is, but we playing the avoidance and rationalization game",
">\n\nbecause women invented \"small dick energy\"\nharsh, sad. but we go jim🗿",
">\n\nOP never mentioned women tho. Post is strictly about why it's offensive. Do you disagree that it's not offensive or you think it's a trivial matter to make fun of that men's mental health doesn't matter as much?",
">\n\nThe female equivalent is\n\"Loose Pussy Energy\".\nThe typical man-hate hypocrisy commonly going around is beyond obvious. And it is an attack on All men and boys not just some.",
">\n\nNot a disagreement per se, but also worth noting that it’s transphobic. Which is to say, it insults all men by reinforcing patriarchy and punching down to two groups of men.",
">\n\nShe said small dick energy. Not that he had a small dick (though, come on). She used that phrase BECAUSE it's Tate. She's not a moron.\nHe is, as evidenced by his life to this point and his two responses to Thunberg, which were epically pathetic, is a moron and didn't seem to get it, though he doesn't get a lot.",
">\n\nThis is worse than saying he has a small dick, because how would she know, and that would just be dismissed as stupid.\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\nI can't understand the mental gymnastics some people are doing to try and say this isn't body shaming.",
">\n\n\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\n\nI mean yeah -- kind of like how pussy is an insult denoting cowardice, cunt is an insult meaning basically, terrible, etc., \nShe used that on purpose. Are you making CMV every time you see someone calling someone else a pussy?",
">\n\nPussy is kind of already known to be a shitty gendered insult so it doesn't need a CMV. In this case, Greta's gendered \"having a small penis is bad\" tweet is massively amplified, reached r/all on a shitload of subs, etc. so some discussion about whether or not that is cool is warranted",
">\n\nSmall dick energy isn’t about having a small dick tho. It’s a reflection of an attitude that men who are offensive, aggressive, nasty to people are overcompensating for their insecurities. A small dick doesn’t mean you won’t be able to find a partner or that you’re any less of a man. Being a downright trash bag of a human to others, like in this instance where an internet edgelord is cyber bullying a teenager on the internet who is fighting for the survival of our planet/humanity is an example of this trash behavior, is more of a determining factor. \nYou can also have a small dick but have big dick energy, as it’s reflective of who you are as a person. It’s an attitude. It’s who you choose to be to yourself and others. Hell, there’s women who use the term that they have big dick energy and I can tell you those women’s dicks are none existent so therefore size isn’t a thing. \nNo one should be made fun of for something they had no control over. The worth of a man is not tied to the size of his penis. Although, toxic masculinity and shallow people will tell you different. They say the same for disabled people, fat people etc. There’s plenty of people who are not “conventional standards of beauty” which is the majority of us, that lead happy, healthy relationships. Those relationships start with yourself and understanding your worth as a person isn’t tied to what you look like or how big your junk is. \nThe point is if you choose to be a trash person like Tate, where your self worth is tied into how cruel/offensive you can be to other people, don’t be mad if people call you out for that trashy attitude. Your post definitely reeks of “men are the true victims” when clearly you didn’t seem to have a problem with a grown man cyber bullying a teenager.",
">\n\nI like how you imply that OP is a fan of a literal human trafficker because they point out that a body-shaming insult is body-shaming. Do you understand why associating a trait of someone's body with negative personality traits is bad?",
">\n\nNo because people like this always have exceptions that allow them to use the things they complain about. Cognitive gymnastics allows them to recognise shaming women and people of colour is bad, because society will eat them otherwise, but when someone shows up who deserves a bit of a roasting all of their social etiquette rules go out the window and the excuses come out as to why in this context it doesn't count.\n\"Ahh no, here it is a reflection of an attitude\" blah blah 3 paragraphs later and we've clouded over the simple fact that body shaming is body shaming and harms people you weren't intending to insult.",
">\n\nPeople like this? You’re assuming things about me because I am a character in your mind not a real person. I am not a monolith. We should not be body shaming people. I am explaining the other side of this issue and why people use these terms. You never asked if I use these same terms in my life. You assumed I do. I don’t. You didn’t even bother to read my response because if you did you would have realized this.",
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">\n\nYou can have smol pp but big pp energy and vice versa",
">\n\nSo why is the phrase small dick energy if it has nothing to do with having a small dick?",
">\n\nIdk man, I just work here.",
">\n\nYou know why. Lol cause small dick is associated with bad. And by insulting dicks you use this knowledge to offend, at the cost of body shaming people. \nStop feigning dumb just to avoid the reasoning lol",
">\n\nI can see how it would be offensive, and I wouldn’t use it myself. I feel like the phrase refers more to how someone acts as opposed to how they are endowed. And how it’s behavior and actions that make people think down of you not your penis.",
">\n\nPoint is that we, as a society, should encourage better insults that attack the comments of the person without necessarily having to equate it to something someone with a small dick.",
">\n\nWould you agree with me, that if Andrew clapped back with one of those that the internet would be up in arms about it?",
">\n\nYou mean the way that you are, here, on the internet, up in arms?",
">\n\nIm one person on reddit, theres no major backlash like there would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\nSee, what's happening here is that you are also looking at people who are \"one person on Reddit\" and pretending it's a major backlash. Andrew Tate says fucked up things about women all the time (in fact, it's kind of his whole schtick) and it's as much of a non-event as this is.",
">\n\nPlease link me to something fucked up hes said about women, and ill agree with you, two wrongs don't make a right.",
">\n\nHere's exhibit A.",
">\n\nSure I agree with you he has said fucked up stuff about women, it doesn't mean its okay to make a joke about small dick energy.\nDo you understand my point?",
">\n\nWe understand, it's just that your point is fucking stupid",
">\n\nYou have no idea what his point is, it's funny that people on this thread OP and others actually like Andrew Tate.\nIt proves that everyone is completely frothingly tribalistic with zero nuance.",
">\n\nIf someone is behaving insufferably, people are going to laugh at them for things that they wouldn’t find funny if it happened to someone they liked.\nFor example, is it funny when people go bankrupt? No. Would it be funny if someone like Andrew Tate went bankrupt after boasting about Bugattis and all of his mass wealth? Yes. This doesn’t mean people who would make fun of him for that are making fun of poverty or all people who lose their livelihoods, it would just be funny if it happened to that particular person. \nIn the same way, the idea that Tate does all the douchey, over the top macho things that he does in order to compensate for having a small penis is funny, whilst it not being funny to make fun of every person who has a small penis.",
">\n\nSubstitute fat. Is that ok?",
">\n\nDepends on what the fat person is doing. If the person is minding their own business then no, if the fat person is attacking other people’s appearances then yeah go for it."
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People insulted Trump for being fat when he tried to say he was like the most fit person ever. People make fun of Elon Musk's body. You can make the same type of insult to two different people and it come off two different ways.
When you make your identity or argument around something it opens up certain insults and comebacks.
Tate's whole thing is trying to act like this "alpha male" when in reality he's a sex trafficking weirdo who pays women to hang out with him. It's totally fine to insult him with a childish insult.
I also find that people worried or mad about this don't actually care about body image issues. They just want a gotcha moment for people. Because many would have shitty takes about fat people or whine about pc culture.
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"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult.",
">\n\nIt's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh.",
">\n\nHonestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV",
">\n\nPeople can make mistakes and this was one of them.. so we can all just criticize her reply fairly and move on. No need for acute mental gymnastics to defend her as this comments section is showing lmao.",
">\n\nSorry, u/Western-Elevator-456 – your comment has been removed for breaking Rule 1:\n\nDirect responses to a CMV post must challenge at least one aspect of OP’s stated view (however minor), or ask a clarifying question. Arguments in favor of the view OP is willing to change must be restricted to replies to other comments. See the wiki page for more information. \n\nIf you would like to appeal, you must first check if your comment falls into the \"Top level comments that are against rule 1\" list, review our appeals process here, then message the moderators by clicking this link within one week of this notice being posted. \nPlease note that multiple violations will lead to a ban, as explained in our moderation standards.",
">\n\nI don't think anyone is arguing it's not offensive. I'm pretty sure she was trying to offend insecure men. Apparently with great success.",
">\n\nShe was trying to offend men who were insecure about their body image?\nHow is that not body shaming?",
">\n\nIt is, but we playing the avoidance and rationalization game",
">\n\nbecause women invented \"small dick energy\"\nharsh, sad. but we go jim🗿",
">\n\nOP never mentioned women tho. Post is strictly about why it's offensive. Do you disagree that it's not offensive or you think it's a trivial matter to make fun of that men's mental health doesn't matter as much?",
">\n\nThe female equivalent is\n\"Loose Pussy Energy\".\nThe typical man-hate hypocrisy commonly going around is beyond obvious. And it is an attack on All men and boys not just some.",
">\n\nNot a disagreement per se, but also worth noting that it’s transphobic. Which is to say, it insults all men by reinforcing patriarchy and punching down to two groups of men.",
">\n\nShe said small dick energy. Not that he had a small dick (though, come on). She used that phrase BECAUSE it's Tate. She's not a moron.\nHe is, as evidenced by his life to this point and his two responses to Thunberg, which were epically pathetic, is a moron and didn't seem to get it, though he doesn't get a lot.",
">\n\nThis is worse than saying he has a small dick, because how would she know, and that would just be dismissed as stupid.\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\nI can't understand the mental gymnastics some people are doing to try and say this isn't body shaming.",
">\n\n\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\n\nI mean yeah -- kind of like how pussy is an insult denoting cowardice, cunt is an insult meaning basically, terrible, etc., \nShe used that on purpose. Are you making CMV every time you see someone calling someone else a pussy?",
">\n\nPussy is kind of already known to be a shitty gendered insult so it doesn't need a CMV. In this case, Greta's gendered \"having a small penis is bad\" tweet is massively amplified, reached r/all on a shitload of subs, etc. so some discussion about whether or not that is cool is warranted",
">\n\nSmall dick energy isn’t about having a small dick tho. It’s a reflection of an attitude that men who are offensive, aggressive, nasty to people are overcompensating for their insecurities. A small dick doesn’t mean you won’t be able to find a partner or that you’re any less of a man. Being a downright trash bag of a human to others, like in this instance where an internet edgelord is cyber bullying a teenager on the internet who is fighting for the survival of our planet/humanity is an example of this trash behavior, is more of a determining factor. \nYou can also have a small dick but have big dick energy, as it’s reflective of who you are as a person. It’s an attitude. It’s who you choose to be to yourself and others. Hell, there’s women who use the term that they have big dick energy and I can tell you those women’s dicks are none existent so therefore size isn’t a thing. \nNo one should be made fun of for something they had no control over. The worth of a man is not tied to the size of his penis. Although, toxic masculinity and shallow people will tell you different. They say the same for disabled people, fat people etc. There’s plenty of people who are not “conventional standards of beauty” which is the majority of us, that lead happy, healthy relationships. Those relationships start with yourself and understanding your worth as a person isn’t tied to what you look like or how big your junk is. \nThe point is if you choose to be a trash person like Tate, where your self worth is tied into how cruel/offensive you can be to other people, don’t be mad if people call you out for that trashy attitude. Your post definitely reeks of “men are the true victims” when clearly you didn’t seem to have a problem with a grown man cyber bullying a teenager.",
">\n\nI like how you imply that OP is a fan of a literal human trafficker because they point out that a body-shaming insult is body-shaming. Do you understand why associating a trait of someone's body with negative personality traits is bad?",
">\n\nNo because people like this always have exceptions that allow them to use the things they complain about. Cognitive gymnastics allows them to recognise shaming women and people of colour is bad, because society will eat them otherwise, but when someone shows up who deserves a bit of a roasting all of their social etiquette rules go out the window and the excuses come out as to why in this context it doesn't count.\n\"Ahh no, here it is a reflection of an attitude\" blah blah 3 paragraphs later and we've clouded over the simple fact that body shaming is body shaming and harms people you weren't intending to insult.",
">\n\nPeople like this? You’re assuming things about me because I am a character in your mind not a real person. I am not a monolith. We should not be body shaming people. I am explaining the other side of this issue and why people use these terms. You never asked if I use these same terms in my life. You assumed I do. I don’t. You didn’t even bother to read my response because if you did you would have realized this.",
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">\n\nYou can have smol pp but big pp energy and vice versa",
">\n\nSo why is the phrase small dick energy if it has nothing to do with having a small dick?",
">\n\nIdk man, I just work here.",
">\n\nYou know why. Lol cause small dick is associated with bad. And by insulting dicks you use this knowledge to offend, at the cost of body shaming people. \nStop feigning dumb just to avoid the reasoning lol",
">\n\nI can see how it would be offensive, and I wouldn’t use it myself. I feel like the phrase refers more to how someone acts as opposed to how they are endowed. And how it’s behavior and actions that make people think down of you not your penis.",
">\n\nPoint is that we, as a society, should encourage better insults that attack the comments of the person without necessarily having to equate it to something someone with a small dick.",
">\n\nWould you agree with me, that if Andrew clapped back with one of those that the internet would be up in arms about it?",
">\n\nYou mean the way that you are, here, on the internet, up in arms?",
">\n\nIm one person on reddit, theres no major backlash like there would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\nSee, what's happening here is that you are also looking at people who are \"one person on Reddit\" and pretending it's a major backlash. Andrew Tate says fucked up things about women all the time (in fact, it's kind of his whole schtick) and it's as much of a non-event as this is.",
">\n\nPlease link me to something fucked up hes said about women, and ill agree with you, two wrongs don't make a right.",
">\n\nHere's exhibit A.",
">\n\nSure I agree with you he has said fucked up stuff about women, it doesn't mean its okay to make a joke about small dick energy.\nDo you understand my point?",
">\n\nWe understand, it's just that your point is fucking stupid",
">\n\nYou have no idea what his point is, it's funny that people on this thread OP and others actually like Andrew Tate.\nIt proves that everyone is completely frothingly tribalistic with zero nuance.",
">\n\nIf someone is behaving insufferably, people are going to laugh at them for things that they wouldn’t find funny if it happened to someone they liked.\nFor example, is it funny when people go bankrupt? No. Would it be funny if someone like Andrew Tate went bankrupt after boasting about Bugattis and all of his mass wealth? Yes. This doesn’t mean people who would make fun of him for that are making fun of poverty or all people who lose their livelihoods, it would just be funny if it happened to that particular person. \nIn the same way, the idea that Tate does all the douchey, over the top macho things that he does in order to compensate for having a small penis is funny, whilst it not being funny to make fun of every person who has a small penis.",
">\n\nSubstitute fat. Is that ok?",
">\n\nDepends on what the fat person is doing. If the person is minding their own business then no, if the fat person is attacking other people’s appearances then yeah go for it.",
">\n\nInteresting take. Might want to play with that a bit. A lot of situations where your reasoning falls apart."
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When you call some MF that doesn't necessarily mean you are a MF... I'm not saying it's okay to say abusing words but we still do use them.
I don't think she said it in literal terms, it was completely literary. Also she only said it cause it was Tate who she said it to. Also if a woman has small tits and someone said to someone else that they have small tits energy, I don't think one who actually has small tits would mind it, cause she is not involved and it's kinda perfect way of irritating Tate.. cause he really cares about these things.
When it comes to increasing the insecurity of someone who actually has small D and is insecure about it... She couldn't think so far cause all she wanted was to irritate Tate and she was successful
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"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult.",
">\n\nIt's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh.",
">\n\nHonestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV",
">\n\nPeople can make mistakes and this was one of them.. so we can all just criticize her reply fairly and move on. No need for acute mental gymnastics to defend her as this comments section is showing lmao.",
">\n\nSorry, u/Western-Elevator-456 – your comment has been removed for breaking Rule 1:\n\nDirect responses to a CMV post must challenge at least one aspect of OP’s stated view (however minor), or ask a clarifying question. Arguments in favor of the view OP is willing to change must be restricted to replies to other comments. See the wiki page for more information. \n\nIf you would like to appeal, you must first check if your comment falls into the \"Top level comments that are against rule 1\" list, review our appeals process here, then message the moderators by clicking this link within one week of this notice being posted. \nPlease note that multiple violations will lead to a ban, as explained in our moderation standards.",
">\n\nI don't think anyone is arguing it's not offensive. I'm pretty sure she was trying to offend insecure men. Apparently with great success.",
">\n\nShe was trying to offend men who were insecure about their body image?\nHow is that not body shaming?",
">\n\nIt is, but we playing the avoidance and rationalization game",
">\n\nbecause women invented \"small dick energy\"\nharsh, sad. but we go jim🗿",
">\n\nOP never mentioned women tho. Post is strictly about why it's offensive. Do you disagree that it's not offensive or you think it's a trivial matter to make fun of that men's mental health doesn't matter as much?",
">\n\nThe female equivalent is\n\"Loose Pussy Energy\".\nThe typical man-hate hypocrisy commonly going around is beyond obvious. And it is an attack on All men and boys not just some.",
">\n\nNot a disagreement per se, but also worth noting that it’s transphobic. Which is to say, it insults all men by reinforcing patriarchy and punching down to two groups of men.",
">\n\nShe said small dick energy. Not that he had a small dick (though, come on). She used that phrase BECAUSE it's Tate. She's not a moron.\nHe is, as evidenced by his life to this point and his two responses to Thunberg, which were epically pathetic, is a moron and didn't seem to get it, though he doesn't get a lot.",
">\n\nThis is worse than saying he has a small dick, because how would she know, and that would just be dismissed as stupid.\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\nI can't understand the mental gymnastics some people are doing to try and say this isn't body shaming.",
">\n\n\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\n\nI mean yeah -- kind of like how pussy is an insult denoting cowardice, cunt is an insult meaning basically, terrible, etc., \nShe used that on purpose. Are you making CMV every time you see someone calling someone else a pussy?",
">\n\nPussy is kind of already known to be a shitty gendered insult so it doesn't need a CMV. In this case, Greta's gendered \"having a small penis is bad\" tweet is massively amplified, reached r/all on a shitload of subs, etc. so some discussion about whether or not that is cool is warranted",
">\n\nSmall dick energy isn’t about having a small dick tho. It’s a reflection of an attitude that men who are offensive, aggressive, nasty to people are overcompensating for their insecurities. A small dick doesn’t mean you won’t be able to find a partner or that you’re any less of a man. Being a downright trash bag of a human to others, like in this instance where an internet edgelord is cyber bullying a teenager on the internet who is fighting for the survival of our planet/humanity is an example of this trash behavior, is more of a determining factor. \nYou can also have a small dick but have big dick energy, as it’s reflective of who you are as a person. It’s an attitude. It’s who you choose to be to yourself and others. Hell, there’s women who use the term that they have big dick energy and I can tell you those women’s dicks are none existent so therefore size isn’t a thing. \nNo one should be made fun of for something they had no control over. The worth of a man is not tied to the size of his penis. Although, toxic masculinity and shallow people will tell you different. They say the same for disabled people, fat people etc. There’s plenty of people who are not “conventional standards of beauty” which is the majority of us, that lead happy, healthy relationships. Those relationships start with yourself and understanding your worth as a person isn’t tied to what you look like or how big your junk is. \nThe point is if you choose to be a trash person like Tate, where your self worth is tied into how cruel/offensive you can be to other people, don’t be mad if people call you out for that trashy attitude. Your post definitely reeks of “men are the true victims” when clearly you didn’t seem to have a problem with a grown man cyber bullying a teenager.",
">\n\nI like how you imply that OP is a fan of a literal human trafficker because they point out that a body-shaming insult is body-shaming. Do you understand why associating a trait of someone's body with negative personality traits is bad?",
">\n\nNo because people like this always have exceptions that allow them to use the things they complain about. Cognitive gymnastics allows them to recognise shaming women and people of colour is bad, because society will eat them otherwise, but when someone shows up who deserves a bit of a roasting all of their social etiquette rules go out the window and the excuses come out as to why in this context it doesn't count.\n\"Ahh no, here it is a reflection of an attitude\" blah blah 3 paragraphs later and we've clouded over the simple fact that body shaming is body shaming and harms people you weren't intending to insult.",
">\n\nPeople like this? You’re assuming things about me because I am a character in your mind not a real person. I am not a monolith. We should not be body shaming people. I am explaining the other side of this issue and why people use these terms. You never asked if I use these same terms in my life. You assumed I do. I don’t. You didn’t even bother to read my response because if you did you would have realized this.",
">\n\nSorry, u/PrestigeWhirlWhy – your comment has been removed for breaking Rule 5: \n\nComments must contribute meaningfully to the conversation. \n\nComments should be on-topic, serious, and contain enough content to move the discussion forward. Jokes, contradictions without explanation, links without context, off-topic comments, and \"written upvotes\" will be removed. Read the wiki for more information. \nIf you would like to appeal, review our appeals process here, then message the moderators by clicking this link within one week of this notice being posted.",
">\n\nYou can have smol pp but big pp energy and vice versa",
">\n\nSo why is the phrase small dick energy if it has nothing to do with having a small dick?",
">\n\nIdk man, I just work here.",
">\n\nYou know why. Lol cause small dick is associated with bad. And by insulting dicks you use this knowledge to offend, at the cost of body shaming people. \nStop feigning dumb just to avoid the reasoning lol",
">\n\nI can see how it would be offensive, and I wouldn’t use it myself. I feel like the phrase refers more to how someone acts as opposed to how they are endowed. And how it’s behavior and actions that make people think down of you not your penis.",
">\n\nPoint is that we, as a society, should encourage better insults that attack the comments of the person without necessarily having to equate it to something someone with a small dick.",
">\n\nWould you agree with me, that if Andrew clapped back with one of those that the internet would be up in arms about it?",
">\n\nYou mean the way that you are, here, on the internet, up in arms?",
">\n\nIm one person on reddit, theres no major backlash like there would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\nSee, what's happening here is that you are also looking at people who are \"one person on Reddit\" and pretending it's a major backlash. Andrew Tate says fucked up things about women all the time (in fact, it's kind of his whole schtick) and it's as much of a non-event as this is.",
">\n\nPlease link me to something fucked up hes said about women, and ill agree with you, two wrongs don't make a right.",
">\n\nHere's exhibit A.",
">\n\nSure I agree with you he has said fucked up stuff about women, it doesn't mean its okay to make a joke about small dick energy.\nDo you understand my point?",
">\n\nWe understand, it's just that your point is fucking stupid",
">\n\nYou have no idea what his point is, it's funny that people on this thread OP and others actually like Andrew Tate.\nIt proves that everyone is completely frothingly tribalistic with zero nuance.",
">\n\nIf someone is behaving insufferably, people are going to laugh at them for things that they wouldn’t find funny if it happened to someone they liked.\nFor example, is it funny when people go bankrupt? No. Would it be funny if someone like Andrew Tate went bankrupt after boasting about Bugattis and all of his mass wealth? Yes. This doesn’t mean people who would make fun of him for that are making fun of poverty or all people who lose their livelihoods, it would just be funny if it happened to that particular person. \nIn the same way, the idea that Tate does all the douchey, over the top macho things that he does in order to compensate for having a small penis is funny, whilst it not being funny to make fun of every person who has a small penis.",
">\n\nSubstitute fat. Is that ok?",
">\n\nDepends on what the fat person is doing. If the person is minding their own business then no, if the fat person is attacking other people’s appearances then yeah go for it.",
">\n\nInteresting take. Might want to play with that a bit. A lot of situations where your reasoning falls apart.",
">\n\nPeople insulted Trump for being fat when he tried to say he was like the most fit person ever. People make fun of Elon Musk's body. You can make the same type of insult to two different people and it come off two different ways. \nWhen you make your identity or argument around something it opens up certain insults and comebacks. \nTate's whole thing is trying to act like this \"alpha male\" when in reality he's a sex trafficking weirdo who pays women to hang out with him. It's totally fine to insult him with a childish insult. \nI also find that people worried or mad about this don't actually care about body image issues. They just want a gotcha moment for people. Because many would have shitty takes about fat people or whine about pc culture."
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I don't think it even irritated him if that was her goal but definitely helped him with popularity. It just proves what he says people think of insecure men, it just moves them to him and he gains more influence. It was an ignorant reply in poor taste. Someone with much following and influence as Greta shouldn't be as irresponsible and the followers shouldn't be having to do mental gymnastics to defend her instead of seeing it as it is: body shaming against men.
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"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult.",
">\n\nIt's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh.",
">\n\nHonestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV",
">\n\nPeople can make mistakes and this was one of them.. so we can all just criticize her reply fairly and move on. No need for acute mental gymnastics to defend her as this comments section is showing lmao.",
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">\n\nI don't think anyone is arguing it's not offensive. I'm pretty sure she was trying to offend insecure men. Apparently with great success.",
">\n\nShe was trying to offend men who were insecure about their body image?\nHow is that not body shaming?",
">\n\nIt is, but we playing the avoidance and rationalization game",
">\n\nbecause women invented \"small dick energy\"\nharsh, sad. but we go jim🗿",
">\n\nOP never mentioned women tho. Post is strictly about why it's offensive. Do you disagree that it's not offensive or you think it's a trivial matter to make fun of that men's mental health doesn't matter as much?",
">\n\nThe female equivalent is\n\"Loose Pussy Energy\".\nThe typical man-hate hypocrisy commonly going around is beyond obvious. And it is an attack on All men and boys not just some.",
">\n\nNot a disagreement per se, but also worth noting that it’s transphobic. Which is to say, it insults all men by reinforcing patriarchy and punching down to two groups of men.",
">\n\nShe said small dick energy. Not that he had a small dick (though, come on). She used that phrase BECAUSE it's Tate. She's not a moron.\nHe is, as evidenced by his life to this point and his two responses to Thunberg, which were epically pathetic, is a moron and didn't seem to get it, though he doesn't get a lot.",
">\n\nThis is worse than saying he has a small dick, because how would she know, and that would just be dismissed as stupid.\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\nI can't understand the mental gymnastics some people are doing to try and say this isn't body shaming.",
">\n\n\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\n\nI mean yeah -- kind of like how pussy is an insult denoting cowardice, cunt is an insult meaning basically, terrible, etc., \nShe used that on purpose. Are you making CMV every time you see someone calling someone else a pussy?",
">\n\nPussy is kind of already known to be a shitty gendered insult so it doesn't need a CMV. In this case, Greta's gendered \"having a small penis is bad\" tweet is massively amplified, reached r/all on a shitload of subs, etc. so some discussion about whether or not that is cool is warranted",
">\n\nSmall dick energy isn’t about having a small dick tho. It’s a reflection of an attitude that men who are offensive, aggressive, nasty to people are overcompensating for their insecurities. A small dick doesn’t mean you won’t be able to find a partner or that you’re any less of a man. Being a downright trash bag of a human to others, like in this instance where an internet edgelord is cyber bullying a teenager on the internet who is fighting for the survival of our planet/humanity is an example of this trash behavior, is more of a determining factor. \nYou can also have a small dick but have big dick energy, as it’s reflective of who you are as a person. It’s an attitude. It’s who you choose to be to yourself and others. Hell, there’s women who use the term that they have big dick energy and I can tell you those women’s dicks are none existent so therefore size isn’t a thing. \nNo one should be made fun of for something they had no control over. The worth of a man is not tied to the size of his penis. Although, toxic masculinity and shallow people will tell you different. They say the same for disabled people, fat people etc. There’s plenty of people who are not “conventional standards of beauty” which is the majority of us, that lead happy, healthy relationships. Those relationships start with yourself and understanding your worth as a person isn’t tied to what you look like or how big your junk is. \nThe point is if you choose to be a trash person like Tate, where your self worth is tied into how cruel/offensive you can be to other people, don’t be mad if people call you out for that trashy attitude. Your post definitely reeks of “men are the true victims” when clearly you didn’t seem to have a problem with a grown man cyber bullying a teenager.",
">\n\nI like how you imply that OP is a fan of a literal human trafficker because they point out that a body-shaming insult is body-shaming. Do you understand why associating a trait of someone's body with negative personality traits is bad?",
">\n\nNo because people like this always have exceptions that allow them to use the things they complain about. Cognitive gymnastics allows them to recognise shaming women and people of colour is bad, because society will eat them otherwise, but when someone shows up who deserves a bit of a roasting all of their social etiquette rules go out the window and the excuses come out as to why in this context it doesn't count.\n\"Ahh no, here it is a reflection of an attitude\" blah blah 3 paragraphs later and we've clouded over the simple fact that body shaming is body shaming and harms people you weren't intending to insult.",
">\n\nPeople like this? You’re assuming things about me because I am a character in your mind not a real person. I am not a monolith. We should not be body shaming people. I am explaining the other side of this issue and why people use these terms. You never asked if I use these same terms in my life. You assumed I do. I don’t. You didn’t even bother to read my response because if you did you would have realized this.",
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">\n\nYou can have smol pp but big pp energy and vice versa",
">\n\nSo why is the phrase small dick energy if it has nothing to do with having a small dick?",
">\n\nIdk man, I just work here.",
">\n\nYou know why. Lol cause small dick is associated with bad. And by insulting dicks you use this knowledge to offend, at the cost of body shaming people. \nStop feigning dumb just to avoid the reasoning lol",
">\n\nI can see how it would be offensive, and I wouldn’t use it myself. I feel like the phrase refers more to how someone acts as opposed to how they are endowed. And how it’s behavior and actions that make people think down of you not your penis.",
">\n\nPoint is that we, as a society, should encourage better insults that attack the comments of the person without necessarily having to equate it to something someone with a small dick.",
">\n\nWould you agree with me, that if Andrew clapped back with one of those that the internet would be up in arms about it?",
">\n\nYou mean the way that you are, here, on the internet, up in arms?",
">\n\nIm one person on reddit, theres no major backlash like there would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\nSee, what's happening here is that you are also looking at people who are \"one person on Reddit\" and pretending it's a major backlash. Andrew Tate says fucked up things about women all the time (in fact, it's kind of his whole schtick) and it's as much of a non-event as this is.",
">\n\nPlease link me to something fucked up hes said about women, and ill agree with you, two wrongs don't make a right.",
">\n\nHere's exhibit A.",
">\n\nSure I agree with you he has said fucked up stuff about women, it doesn't mean its okay to make a joke about small dick energy.\nDo you understand my point?",
">\n\nWe understand, it's just that your point is fucking stupid",
">\n\nYou have no idea what his point is, it's funny that people on this thread OP and others actually like Andrew Tate.\nIt proves that everyone is completely frothingly tribalistic with zero nuance.",
">\n\nIf someone is behaving insufferably, people are going to laugh at them for things that they wouldn’t find funny if it happened to someone they liked.\nFor example, is it funny when people go bankrupt? No. Would it be funny if someone like Andrew Tate went bankrupt after boasting about Bugattis and all of his mass wealth? Yes. This doesn’t mean people who would make fun of him for that are making fun of poverty or all people who lose their livelihoods, it would just be funny if it happened to that particular person. \nIn the same way, the idea that Tate does all the douchey, over the top macho things that he does in order to compensate for having a small penis is funny, whilst it not being funny to make fun of every person who has a small penis.",
">\n\nSubstitute fat. Is that ok?",
">\n\nDepends on what the fat person is doing. If the person is minding their own business then no, if the fat person is attacking other people’s appearances then yeah go for it.",
">\n\nInteresting take. Might want to play with that a bit. A lot of situations where your reasoning falls apart.",
">\n\nPeople insulted Trump for being fat when he tried to say he was like the most fit person ever. People make fun of Elon Musk's body. You can make the same type of insult to two different people and it come off two different ways. \nWhen you make your identity or argument around something it opens up certain insults and comebacks. \nTate's whole thing is trying to act like this \"alpha male\" when in reality he's a sex trafficking weirdo who pays women to hang out with him. It's totally fine to insult him with a childish insult. \nI also find that people worried or mad about this don't actually care about body image issues. They just want a gotcha moment for people. Because many would have shitty takes about fat people or whine about pc culture.",
">\n\nWhen you call some MF that doesn't necessarily mean you are a MF... I'm not saying it's okay to say abusing words but we still do use them.\nI don't think she said it in literal terms, it was completely literary. Also she only said it cause it was Tate who she said it to. Also if a woman has small tits and someone said to someone else that they have small tits energy, I don't think one who actually has small tits would mind it, cause she is not involved and it's kinda perfect way of irritating Tate.. cause he really cares about these things. \nWhen it comes to increasing the insecurity of someone who actually has small D and is insecure about it... She couldn't think so far cause all she wanted was to irritate Tate and she was successful"
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Is this some kind of weird meta-game? Are Andrew Tate fans pretending to actually be offended by this stupid insult to prove a point? Does anybody actually think her retort was any sharper than a brick wrapped in a wet blanket?
What is going on here?!
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"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult.",
">\n\nIt's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh.",
">\n\nHonestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV",
">\n\nPeople can make mistakes and this was one of them.. so we can all just criticize her reply fairly and move on. No need for acute mental gymnastics to defend her as this comments section is showing lmao.",
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">\n\nI don't think anyone is arguing it's not offensive. I'm pretty sure she was trying to offend insecure men. Apparently with great success.",
">\n\nShe was trying to offend men who were insecure about their body image?\nHow is that not body shaming?",
">\n\nIt is, but we playing the avoidance and rationalization game",
">\n\nbecause women invented \"small dick energy\"\nharsh, sad. but we go jim🗿",
">\n\nOP never mentioned women tho. Post is strictly about why it's offensive. Do you disagree that it's not offensive or you think it's a trivial matter to make fun of that men's mental health doesn't matter as much?",
">\n\nThe female equivalent is\n\"Loose Pussy Energy\".\nThe typical man-hate hypocrisy commonly going around is beyond obvious. And it is an attack on All men and boys not just some.",
">\n\nNot a disagreement per se, but also worth noting that it’s transphobic. Which is to say, it insults all men by reinforcing patriarchy and punching down to two groups of men.",
">\n\nShe said small dick energy. Not that he had a small dick (though, come on). She used that phrase BECAUSE it's Tate. She's not a moron.\nHe is, as evidenced by his life to this point and his two responses to Thunberg, which were epically pathetic, is a moron and didn't seem to get it, though he doesn't get a lot.",
">\n\nThis is worse than saying he has a small dick, because how would she know, and that would just be dismissed as stupid.\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\nI can't understand the mental gymnastics some people are doing to try and say this isn't body shaming.",
">\n\n\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\n\nI mean yeah -- kind of like how pussy is an insult denoting cowardice, cunt is an insult meaning basically, terrible, etc., \nShe used that on purpose. Are you making CMV every time you see someone calling someone else a pussy?",
">\n\nPussy is kind of already known to be a shitty gendered insult so it doesn't need a CMV. In this case, Greta's gendered \"having a small penis is bad\" tweet is massively amplified, reached r/all on a shitload of subs, etc. so some discussion about whether or not that is cool is warranted",
">\n\nSmall dick energy isn’t about having a small dick tho. It’s a reflection of an attitude that men who are offensive, aggressive, nasty to people are overcompensating for their insecurities. A small dick doesn’t mean you won’t be able to find a partner or that you’re any less of a man. Being a downright trash bag of a human to others, like in this instance where an internet edgelord is cyber bullying a teenager on the internet who is fighting for the survival of our planet/humanity is an example of this trash behavior, is more of a determining factor. \nYou can also have a small dick but have big dick energy, as it’s reflective of who you are as a person. It’s an attitude. It’s who you choose to be to yourself and others. Hell, there’s women who use the term that they have big dick energy and I can tell you those women’s dicks are none existent so therefore size isn’t a thing. \nNo one should be made fun of for something they had no control over. The worth of a man is not tied to the size of his penis. Although, toxic masculinity and shallow people will tell you different. They say the same for disabled people, fat people etc. There’s plenty of people who are not “conventional standards of beauty” which is the majority of us, that lead happy, healthy relationships. Those relationships start with yourself and understanding your worth as a person isn’t tied to what you look like or how big your junk is. \nThe point is if you choose to be a trash person like Tate, where your self worth is tied into how cruel/offensive you can be to other people, don’t be mad if people call you out for that trashy attitude. Your post definitely reeks of “men are the true victims” when clearly you didn’t seem to have a problem with a grown man cyber bullying a teenager.",
">\n\nI like how you imply that OP is a fan of a literal human trafficker because they point out that a body-shaming insult is body-shaming. Do you understand why associating a trait of someone's body with negative personality traits is bad?",
">\n\nNo because people like this always have exceptions that allow them to use the things they complain about. Cognitive gymnastics allows them to recognise shaming women and people of colour is bad, because society will eat them otherwise, but when someone shows up who deserves a bit of a roasting all of their social etiquette rules go out the window and the excuses come out as to why in this context it doesn't count.\n\"Ahh no, here it is a reflection of an attitude\" blah blah 3 paragraphs later and we've clouded over the simple fact that body shaming is body shaming and harms people you weren't intending to insult.",
">\n\nPeople like this? You’re assuming things about me because I am a character in your mind not a real person. I am not a monolith. We should not be body shaming people. I am explaining the other side of this issue and why people use these terms. You never asked if I use these same terms in my life. You assumed I do. I don’t. You didn’t even bother to read my response because if you did you would have realized this.",
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">\n\nYou can have smol pp but big pp energy and vice versa",
">\n\nSo why is the phrase small dick energy if it has nothing to do with having a small dick?",
">\n\nIdk man, I just work here.",
">\n\nYou know why. Lol cause small dick is associated with bad. And by insulting dicks you use this knowledge to offend, at the cost of body shaming people. \nStop feigning dumb just to avoid the reasoning lol",
">\n\nI can see how it would be offensive, and I wouldn’t use it myself. I feel like the phrase refers more to how someone acts as opposed to how they are endowed. And how it’s behavior and actions that make people think down of you not your penis.",
">\n\nPoint is that we, as a society, should encourage better insults that attack the comments of the person without necessarily having to equate it to something someone with a small dick.",
">\n\nWould you agree with me, that if Andrew clapped back with one of those that the internet would be up in arms about it?",
">\n\nYou mean the way that you are, here, on the internet, up in arms?",
">\n\nIm one person on reddit, theres no major backlash like there would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\nSee, what's happening here is that you are also looking at people who are \"one person on Reddit\" and pretending it's a major backlash. Andrew Tate says fucked up things about women all the time (in fact, it's kind of his whole schtick) and it's as much of a non-event as this is.",
">\n\nPlease link me to something fucked up hes said about women, and ill agree with you, two wrongs don't make a right.",
">\n\nHere's exhibit A.",
">\n\nSure I agree with you he has said fucked up stuff about women, it doesn't mean its okay to make a joke about small dick energy.\nDo you understand my point?",
">\n\nWe understand, it's just that your point is fucking stupid",
">\n\nYou have no idea what his point is, it's funny that people on this thread OP and others actually like Andrew Tate.\nIt proves that everyone is completely frothingly tribalistic with zero nuance.",
">\n\nIf someone is behaving insufferably, people are going to laugh at them for things that they wouldn’t find funny if it happened to someone they liked.\nFor example, is it funny when people go bankrupt? No. Would it be funny if someone like Andrew Tate went bankrupt after boasting about Bugattis and all of his mass wealth? Yes. This doesn’t mean people who would make fun of him for that are making fun of poverty or all people who lose their livelihoods, it would just be funny if it happened to that particular person. \nIn the same way, the idea that Tate does all the douchey, over the top macho things that he does in order to compensate for having a small penis is funny, whilst it not being funny to make fun of every person who has a small penis.",
">\n\nSubstitute fat. Is that ok?",
">\n\nDepends on what the fat person is doing. If the person is minding their own business then no, if the fat person is attacking other people’s appearances then yeah go for it.",
">\n\nInteresting take. Might want to play with that a bit. A lot of situations where your reasoning falls apart.",
">\n\nPeople insulted Trump for being fat when he tried to say he was like the most fit person ever. People make fun of Elon Musk's body. You can make the same type of insult to two different people and it come off two different ways. \nWhen you make your identity or argument around something it opens up certain insults and comebacks. \nTate's whole thing is trying to act like this \"alpha male\" when in reality he's a sex trafficking weirdo who pays women to hang out with him. It's totally fine to insult him with a childish insult. \nI also find that people worried or mad about this don't actually care about body image issues. They just want a gotcha moment for people. Because many would have shitty takes about fat people or whine about pc culture.",
">\n\nWhen you call some MF that doesn't necessarily mean you are a MF... I'm not saying it's okay to say abusing words but we still do use them.\nI don't think she said it in literal terms, it was completely literary. Also she only said it cause it was Tate who she said it to. Also if a woman has small tits and someone said to someone else that they have small tits energy, I don't think one who actually has small tits would mind it, cause she is not involved and it's kinda perfect way of irritating Tate.. cause he really cares about these things. \nWhen it comes to increasing the insecurity of someone who actually has small D and is insecure about it... She couldn't think so far cause all she wanted was to irritate Tate and she was successful",
">\n\nI don't think it even irritated him if that was her goal but definitely helped him with popularity. It just proves what he says people think of insecure men, it just moves them to him and he gains more influence. It was an ignorant reply in poor taste. Someone with much following and influence as Greta shouldn't be as irresponsible and the followers shouldn't be having to do mental gymnastics to defend her instead of seeing it as it is: body shaming against men."
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What is going on here?!
Andrew Tate fans have a lot of small dick energy. That's whats going on.
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"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult.",
">\n\nIt's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh.",
">\n\nHonestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV",
">\n\nPeople can make mistakes and this was one of them.. so we can all just criticize her reply fairly and move on. No need for acute mental gymnastics to defend her as this comments section is showing lmao.",
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">\n\nI don't think anyone is arguing it's not offensive. I'm pretty sure she was trying to offend insecure men. Apparently with great success.",
">\n\nShe was trying to offend men who were insecure about their body image?\nHow is that not body shaming?",
">\n\nIt is, but we playing the avoidance and rationalization game",
">\n\nbecause women invented \"small dick energy\"\nharsh, sad. but we go jim🗿",
">\n\nOP never mentioned women tho. Post is strictly about why it's offensive. Do you disagree that it's not offensive or you think it's a trivial matter to make fun of that men's mental health doesn't matter as much?",
">\n\nThe female equivalent is\n\"Loose Pussy Energy\".\nThe typical man-hate hypocrisy commonly going around is beyond obvious. And it is an attack on All men and boys not just some.",
">\n\nNot a disagreement per se, but also worth noting that it’s transphobic. Which is to say, it insults all men by reinforcing patriarchy and punching down to two groups of men.",
">\n\nShe said small dick energy. Not that he had a small dick (though, come on). She used that phrase BECAUSE it's Tate. She's not a moron.\nHe is, as evidenced by his life to this point and his two responses to Thunberg, which were epically pathetic, is a moron and didn't seem to get it, though he doesn't get a lot.",
">\n\nThis is worse than saying he has a small dick, because how would she know, and that would just be dismissed as stupid.\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\nI can't understand the mental gymnastics some people are doing to try and say this isn't body shaming.",
">\n\n\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\n\nI mean yeah -- kind of like how pussy is an insult denoting cowardice, cunt is an insult meaning basically, terrible, etc., \nShe used that on purpose. Are you making CMV every time you see someone calling someone else a pussy?",
">\n\nPussy is kind of already known to be a shitty gendered insult so it doesn't need a CMV. In this case, Greta's gendered \"having a small penis is bad\" tweet is massively amplified, reached r/all on a shitload of subs, etc. so some discussion about whether or not that is cool is warranted",
">\n\nSmall dick energy isn’t about having a small dick tho. It’s a reflection of an attitude that men who are offensive, aggressive, nasty to people are overcompensating for their insecurities. A small dick doesn’t mean you won’t be able to find a partner or that you’re any less of a man. Being a downright trash bag of a human to others, like in this instance where an internet edgelord is cyber bullying a teenager on the internet who is fighting for the survival of our planet/humanity is an example of this trash behavior, is more of a determining factor. \nYou can also have a small dick but have big dick energy, as it’s reflective of who you are as a person. It’s an attitude. It’s who you choose to be to yourself and others. Hell, there’s women who use the term that they have big dick energy and I can tell you those women’s dicks are none existent so therefore size isn’t a thing. \nNo one should be made fun of for something they had no control over. The worth of a man is not tied to the size of his penis. Although, toxic masculinity and shallow people will tell you different. They say the same for disabled people, fat people etc. There’s plenty of people who are not “conventional standards of beauty” which is the majority of us, that lead happy, healthy relationships. Those relationships start with yourself and understanding your worth as a person isn’t tied to what you look like or how big your junk is. \nThe point is if you choose to be a trash person like Tate, where your self worth is tied into how cruel/offensive you can be to other people, don’t be mad if people call you out for that trashy attitude. Your post definitely reeks of “men are the true victims” when clearly you didn’t seem to have a problem with a grown man cyber bullying a teenager.",
">\n\nI like how you imply that OP is a fan of a literal human trafficker because they point out that a body-shaming insult is body-shaming. Do you understand why associating a trait of someone's body with negative personality traits is bad?",
">\n\nNo because people like this always have exceptions that allow them to use the things they complain about. Cognitive gymnastics allows them to recognise shaming women and people of colour is bad, because society will eat them otherwise, but when someone shows up who deserves a bit of a roasting all of their social etiquette rules go out the window and the excuses come out as to why in this context it doesn't count.\n\"Ahh no, here it is a reflection of an attitude\" blah blah 3 paragraphs later and we've clouded over the simple fact that body shaming is body shaming and harms people you weren't intending to insult.",
">\n\nPeople like this? You’re assuming things about me because I am a character in your mind not a real person. I am not a monolith. We should not be body shaming people. I am explaining the other side of this issue and why people use these terms. You never asked if I use these same terms in my life. You assumed I do. I don’t. You didn’t even bother to read my response because if you did you would have realized this.",
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">\n\nYou can have smol pp but big pp energy and vice versa",
">\n\nSo why is the phrase small dick energy if it has nothing to do with having a small dick?",
">\n\nIdk man, I just work here.",
">\n\nYou know why. Lol cause small dick is associated with bad. And by insulting dicks you use this knowledge to offend, at the cost of body shaming people. \nStop feigning dumb just to avoid the reasoning lol",
">\n\nI can see how it would be offensive, and I wouldn’t use it myself. I feel like the phrase refers more to how someone acts as opposed to how they are endowed. And how it’s behavior and actions that make people think down of you not your penis.",
">\n\nPoint is that we, as a society, should encourage better insults that attack the comments of the person without necessarily having to equate it to something someone with a small dick.",
">\n\nWould you agree with me, that if Andrew clapped back with one of those that the internet would be up in arms about it?",
">\n\nYou mean the way that you are, here, on the internet, up in arms?",
">\n\nIm one person on reddit, theres no major backlash like there would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\nSee, what's happening here is that you are also looking at people who are \"one person on Reddit\" and pretending it's a major backlash. Andrew Tate says fucked up things about women all the time (in fact, it's kind of his whole schtick) and it's as much of a non-event as this is.",
">\n\nPlease link me to something fucked up hes said about women, and ill agree with you, two wrongs don't make a right.",
">\n\nHere's exhibit A.",
">\n\nSure I agree with you he has said fucked up stuff about women, it doesn't mean its okay to make a joke about small dick energy.\nDo you understand my point?",
">\n\nWe understand, it's just that your point is fucking stupid",
">\n\nYou have no idea what his point is, it's funny that people on this thread OP and others actually like Andrew Tate.\nIt proves that everyone is completely frothingly tribalistic with zero nuance.",
">\n\nIf someone is behaving insufferably, people are going to laugh at them for things that they wouldn’t find funny if it happened to someone they liked.\nFor example, is it funny when people go bankrupt? No. Would it be funny if someone like Andrew Tate went bankrupt after boasting about Bugattis and all of his mass wealth? Yes. This doesn’t mean people who would make fun of him for that are making fun of poverty or all people who lose their livelihoods, it would just be funny if it happened to that particular person. \nIn the same way, the idea that Tate does all the douchey, over the top macho things that he does in order to compensate for having a small penis is funny, whilst it not being funny to make fun of every person who has a small penis.",
">\n\nSubstitute fat. Is that ok?",
">\n\nDepends on what the fat person is doing. If the person is minding their own business then no, if the fat person is attacking other people’s appearances then yeah go for it.",
">\n\nInteresting take. Might want to play with that a bit. A lot of situations where your reasoning falls apart.",
">\n\nPeople insulted Trump for being fat when he tried to say he was like the most fit person ever. People make fun of Elon Musk's body. You can make the same type of insult to two different people and it come off two different ways. \nWhen you make your identity or argument around something it opens up certain insults and comebacks. \nTate's whole thing is trying to act like this \"alpha male\" when in reality he's a sex trafficking weirdo who pays women to hang out with him. It's totally fine to insult him with a childish insult. \nI also find that people worried or mad about this don't actually care about body image issues. They just want a gotcha moment for people. Because many would have shitty takes about fat people or whine about pc culture.",
">\n\nWhen you call some MF that doesn't necessarily mean you are a MF... I'm not saying it's okay to say abusing words but we still do use them.\nI don't think she said it in literal terms, it was completely literary. Also she only said it cause it was Tate who she said it to. Also if a woman has small tits and someone said to someone else that they have small tits energy, I don't think one who actually has small tits would mind it, cause she is not involved and it's kinda perfect way of irritating Tate.. cause he really cares about these things. \nWhen it comes to increasing the insecurity of someone who actually has small D and is insecure about it... She couldn't think so far cause all she wanted was to irritate Tate and she was successful",
">\n\nI don't think it even irritated him if that was her goal but definitely helped him with popularity. It just proves what he says people think of insecure men, it just moves them to him and he gains more influence. It was an ignorant reply in poor taste. Someone with much following and influence as Greta shouldn't be as irresponsible and the followers shouldn't be having to do mental gymnastics to defend her instead of seeing it as it is: body shaming against men.",
">\n\nIs this some kind of weird meta-game? Are Andrew Tate fans pretending to actually be offended by this stupid insult to prove a point? Does anybody actually think her retort was any sharper than a brick wrapped in a wet blanket?\nWhat is going on here?!"
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Why are people not allowed dislike tate (he's an absolute idiot and a grifter) and also to criticize obvious body shaming from a supposed progressive? If Biden started talking about "N*gger energy" criticizing Kanye for antisemitism, would that be ok in your eyes? Would you say that a black guy who doesn't like that must be an angry Kanye fan? Or is it disgustingly offensive towards all African Americans to use that type of language no matter what?
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"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult.",
">\n\nIt's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh.",
">\n\nHonestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV",
">\n\nPeople can make mistakes and this was one of them.. so we can all just criticize her reply fairly and move on. No need for acute mental gymnastics to defend her as this comments section is showing lmao.",
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">\n\nI don't think anyone is arguing it's not offensive. I'm pretty sure she was trying to offend insecure men. Apparently with great success.",
">\n\nShe was trying to offend men who were insecure about their body image?\nHow is that not body shaming?",
">\n\nIt is, but we playing the avoidance and rationalization game",
">\n\nbecause women invented \"small dick energy\"\nharsh, sad. but we go jim🗿",
">\n\nOP never mentioned women tho. Post is strictly about why it's offensive. Do you disagree that it's not offensive or you think it's a trivial matter to make fun of that men's mental health doesn't matter as much?",
">\n\nThe female equivalent is\n\"Loose Pussy Energy\".\nThe typical man-hate hypocrisy commonly going around is beyond obvious. And it is an attack on All men and boys not just some.",
">\n\nNot a disagreement per se, but also worth noting that it’s transphobic. Which is to say, it insults all men by reinforcing patriarchy and punching down to two groups of men.",
">\n\nShe said small dick energy. Not that he had a small dick (though, come on). She used that phrase BECAUSE it's Tate. She's not a moron.\nHe is, as evidenced by his life to this point and his two responses to Thunberg, which were epically pathetic, is a moron and didn't seem to get it, though he doesn't get a lot.",
">\n\nThis is worse than saying he has a small dick, because how would she know, and that would just be dismissed as stupid.\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\nI can't understand the mental gymnastics some people are doing to try and say this isn't body shaming.",
">\n\n\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\n\nI mean yeah -- kind of like how pussy is an insult denoting cowardice, cunt is an insult meaning basically, terrible, etc., \nShe used that on purpose. Are you making CMV every time you see someone calling someone else a pussy?",
">\n\nPussy is kind of already known to be a shitty gendered insult so it doesn't need a CMV. In this case, Greta's gendered \"having a small penis is bad\" tweet is massively amplified, reached r/all on a shitload of subs, etc. so some discussion about whether or not that is cool is warranted",
">\n\nSmall dick energy isn’t about having a small dick tho. It’s a reflection of an attitude that men who are offensive, aggressive, nasty to people are overcompensating for their insecurities. A small dick doesn’t mean you won’t be able to find a partner or that you’re any less of a man. Being a downright trash bag of a human to others, like in this instance where an internet edgelord is cyber bullying a teenager on the internet who is fighting for the survival of our planet/humanity is an example of this trash behavior, is more of a determining factor. \nYou can also have a small dick but have big dick energy, as it’s reflective of who you are as a person. It’s an attitude. It’s who you choose to be to yourself and others. Hell, there’s women who use the term that they have big dick energy and I can tell you those women’s dicks are none existent so therefore size isn’t a thing. \nNo one should be made fun of for something they had no control over. The worth of a man is not tied to the size of his penis. Although, toxic masculinity and shallow people will tell you different. They say the same for disabled people, fat people etc. There’s plenty of people who are not “conventional standards of beauty” which is the majority of us, that lead happy, healthy relationships. Those relationships start with yourself and understanding your worth as a person isn’t tied to what you look like or how big your junk is. \nThe point is if you choose to be a trash person like Tate, where your self worth is tied into how cruel/offensive you can be to other people, don’t be mad if people call you out for that trashy attitude. Your post definitely reeks of “men are the true victims” when clearly you didn’t seem to have a problem with a grown man cyber bullying a teenager.",
">\n\nI like how you imply that OP is a fan of a literal human trafficker because they point out that a body-shaming insult is body-shaming. Do you understand why associating a trait of someone's body with negative personality traits is bad?",
">\n\nNo because people like this always have exceptions that allow them to use the things they complain about. Cognitive gymnastics allows them to recognise shaming women and people of colour is bad, because society will eat them otherwise, but when someone shows up who deserves a bit of a roasting all of their social etiquette rules go out the window and the excuses come out as to why in this context it doesn't count.\n\"Ahh no, here it is a reflection of an attitude\" blah blah 3 paragraphs later and we've clouded over the simple fact that body shaming is body shaming and harms people you weren't intending to insult.",
">\n\nPeople like this? You’re assuming things about me because I am a character in your mind not a real person. I am not a monolith. We should not be body shaming people. I am explaining the other side of this issue and why people use these terms. You never asked if I use these same terms in my life. You assumed I do. I don’t. You didn’t even bother to read my response because if you did you would have realized this.",
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">\n\nYou can have smol pp but big pp energy and vice versa",
">\n\nSo why is the phrase small dick energy if it has nothing to do with having a small dick?",
">\n\nIdk man, I just work here.",
">\n\nYou know why. Lol cause small dick is associated with bad. And by insulting dicks you use this knowledge to offend, at the cost of body shaming people. \nStop feigning dumb just to avoid the reasoning lol",
">\n\nI can see how it would be offensive, and I wouldn’t use it myself. I feel like the phrase refers more to how someone acts as opposed to how they are endowed. And how it’s behavior and actions that make people think down of you not your penis.",
">\n\nPoint is that we, as a society, should encourage better insults that attack the comments of the person without necessarily having to equate it to something someone with a small dick.",
">\n\nWould you agree with me, that if Andrew clapped back with one of those that the internet would be up in arms about it?",
">\n\nYou mean the way that you are, here, on the internet, up in arms?",
">\n\nIm one person on reddit, theres no major backlash like there would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\nSee, what's happening here is that you are also looking at people who are \"one person on Reddit\" and pretending it's a major backlash. Andrew Tate says fucked up things about women all the time (in fact, it's kind of his whole schtick) and it's as much of a non-event as this is.",
">\n\nPlease link me to something fucked up hes said about women, and ill agree with you, two wrongs don't make a right.",
">\n\nHere's exhibit A.",
">\n\nSure I agree with you he has said fucked up stuff about women, it doesn't mean its okay to make a joke about small dick energy.\nDo you understand my point?",
">\n\nWe understand, it's just that your point is fucking stupid",
">\n\nYou have no idea what his point is, it's funny that people on this thread OP and others actually like Andrew Tate.\nIt proves that everyone is completely frothingly tribalistic with zero nuance.",
">\n\nIf someone is behaving insufferably, people are going to laugh at them for things that they wouldn’t find funny if it happened to someone they liked.\nFor example, is it funny when people go bankrupt? No. Would it be funny if someone like Andrew Tate went bankrupt after boasting about Bugattis and all of his mass wealth? Yes. This doesn’t mean people who would make fun of him for that are making fun of poverty or all people who lose their livelihoods, it would just be funny if it happened to that particular person. \nIn the same way, the idea that Tate does all the douchey, over the top macho things that he does in order to compensate for having a small penis is funny, whilst it not being funny to make fun of every person who has a small penis.",
">\n\nSubstitute fat. Is that ok?",
">\n\nDepends on what the fat person is doing. If the person is minding their own business then no, if the fat person is attacking other people’s appearances then yeah go for it.",
">\n\nInteresting take. Might want to play with that a bit. A lot of situations where your reasoning falls apart.",
">\n\nPeople insulted Trump for being fat when he tried to say he was like the most fit person ever. People make fun of Elon Musk's body. You can make the same type of insult to two different people and it come off two different ways. \nWhen you make your identity or argument around something it opens up certain insults and comebacks. \nTate's whole thing is trying to act like this \"alpha male\" when in reality he's a sex trafficking weirdo who pays women to hang out with him. It's totally fine to insult him with a childish insult. \nI also find that people worried or mad about this don't actually care about body image issues. They just want a gotcha moment for people. Because many would have shitty takes about fat people or whine about pc culture.",
">\n\nWhen you call some MF that doesn't necessarily mean you are a MF... I'm not saying it's okay to say abusing words but we still do use them.\nI don't think she said it in literal terms, it was completely literary. Also she only said it cause it was Tate who she said it to. Also if a woman has small tits and someone said to someone else that they have small tits energy, I don't think one who actually has small tits would mind it, cause she is not involved and it's kinda perfect way of irritating Tate.. cause he really cares about these things. \nWhen it comes to increasing the insecurity of someone who actually has small D and is insecure about it... She couldn't think so far cause all she wanted was to irritate Tate and she was successful",
">\n\nI don't think it even irritated him if that was her goal but definitely helped him with popularity. It just proves what he says people think of insecure men, it just moves them to him and he gains more influence. It was an ignorant reply in poor taste. Someone with much following and influence as Greta shouldn't be as irresponsible and the followers shouldn't be having to do mental gymnastics to defend her instead of seeing it as it is: body shaming against men.",
">\n\nIs this some kind of weird meta-game? Are Andrew Tate fans pretending to actually be offended by this stupid insult to prove a point? Does anybody actually think her retort was any sharper than a brick wrapped in a wet blanket?\nWhat is going on here?!",
">\n\n\nWhat is going on here?!\n\nAndrew Tate fans have a lot of small dick energy. That's whats going on."
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Because it suits their narrative to frame it as if people are just defending tate. It's easier than just actually defending body shaming. Done deal.
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"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult.",
">\n\nIt's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh.",
">\n\nHonestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV",
">\n\nPeople can make mistakes and this was one of them.. so we can all just criticize her reply fairly and move on. No need for acute mental gymnastics to defend her as this comments section is showing lmao.",
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">\n\nI don't think anyone is arguing it's not offensive. I'm pretty sure she was trying to offend insecure men. Apparently with great success.",
">\n\nShe was trying to offend men who were insecure about their body image?\nHow is that not body shaming?",
">\n\nIt is, but we playing the avoidance and rationalization game",
">\n\nbecause women invented \"small dick energy\"\nharsh, sad. but we go jim🗿",
">\n\nOP never mentioned women tho. Post is strictly about why it's offensive. Do you disagree that it's not offensive or you think it's a trivial matter to make fun of that men's mental health doesn't matter as much?",
">\n\nThe female equivalent is\n\"Loose Pussy Energy\".\nThe typical man-hate hypocrisy commonly going around is beyond obvious. And it is an attack on All men and boys not just some.",
">\n\nNot a disagreement per se, but also worth noting that it’s transphobic. Which is to say, it insults all men by reinforcing patriarchy and punching down to two groups of men.",
">\n\nShe said small dick energy. Not that he had a small dick (though, come on). She used that phrase BECAUSE it's Tate. She's not a moron.\nHe is, as evidenced by his life to this point and his two responses to Thunberg, which were epically pathetic, is a moron and didn't seem to get it, though he doesn't get a lot.",
">\n\nThis is worse than saying he has a small dick, because how would she know, and that would just be dismissed as stupid.\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\nI can't understand the mental gymnastics some people are doing to try and say this isn't body shaming.",
">\n\n\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\n\nI mean yeah -- kind of like how pussy is an insult denoting cowardice, cunt is an insult meaning basically, terrible, etc., \nShe used that on purpose. Are you making CMV every time you see someone calling someone else a pussy?",
">\n\nPussy is kind of already known to be a shitty gendered insult so it doesn't need a CMV. In this case, Greta's gendered \"having a small penis is bad\" tweet is massively amplified, reached r/all on a shitload of subs, etc. so some discussion about whether or not that is cool is warranted",
">\n\nSmall dick energy isn’t about having a small dick tho. It’s a reflection of an attitude that men who are offensive, aggressive, nasty to people are overcompensating for their insecurities. A small dick doesn’t mean you won’t be able to find a partner or that you’re any less of a man. Being a downright trash bag of a human to others, like in this instance where an internet edgelord is cyber bullying a teenager on the internet who is fighting for the survival of our planet/humanity is an example of this trash behavior, is more of a determining factor. \nYou can also have a small dick but have big dick energy, as it’s reflective of who you are as a person. It’s an attitude. It’s who you choose to be to yourself and others. Hell, there’s women who use the term that they have big dick energy and I can tell you those women’s dicks are none existent so therefore size isn’t a thing. \nNo one should be made fun of for something they had no control over. The worth of a man is not tied to the size of his penis. Although, toxic masculinity and shallow people will tell you different. They say the same for disabled people, fat people etc. There’s plenty of people who are not “conventional standards of beauty” which is the majority of us, that lead happy, healthy relationships. Those relationships start with yourself and understanding your worth as a person isn’t tied to what you look like or how big your junk is. \nThe point is if you choose to be a trash person like Tate, where your self worth is tied into how cruel/offensive you can be to other people, don’t be mad if people call you out for that trashy attitude. Your post definitely reeks of “men are the true victims” when clearly you didn’t seem to have a problem with a grown man cyber bullying a teenager.",
">\n\nI like how you imply that OP is a fan of a literal human trafficker because they point out that a body-shaming insult is body-shaming. Do you understand why associating a trait of someone's body with negative personality traits is bad?",
">\n\nNo because people like this always have exceptions that allow them to use the things they complain about. Cognitive gymnastics allows them to recognise shaming women and people of colour is bad, because society will eat them otherwise, but when someone shows up who deserves a bit of a roasting all of their social etiquette rules go out the window and the excuses come out as to why in this context it doesn't count.\n\"Ahh no, here it is a reflection of an attitude\" blah blah 3 paragraphs later and we've clouded over the simple fact that body shaming is body shaming and harms people you weren't intending to insult.",
">\n\nPeople like this? You’re assuming things about me because I am a character in your mind not a real person. I am not a monolith. We should not be body shaming people. I am explaining the other side of this issue and why people use these terms. You never asked if I use these same terms in my life. You assumed I do. I don’t. You didn’t even bother to read my response because if you did you would have realized this.",
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">\n\nYou can have smol pp but big pp energy and vice versa",
">\n\nSo why is the phrase small dick energy if it has nothing to do with having a small dick?",
">\n\nIdk man, I just work here.",
">\n\nYou know why. Lol cause small dick is associated with bad. And by insulting dicks you use this knowledge to offend, at the cost of body shaming people. \nStop feigning dumb just to avoid the reasoning lol",
">\n\nI can see how it would be offensive, and I wouldn’t use it myself. I feel like the phrase refers more to how someone acts as opposed to how they are endowed. And how it’s behavior and actions that make people think down of you not your penis.",
">\n\nPoint is that we, as a society, should encourage better insults that attack the comments of the person without necessarily having to equate it to something someone with a small dick.",
">\n\nWould you agree with me, that if Andrew clapped back with one of those that the internet would be up in arms about it?",
">\n\nYou mean the way that you are, here, on the internet, up in arms?",
">\n\nIm one person on reddit, theres no major backlash like there would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\nSee, what's happening here is that you are also looking at people who are \"one person on Reddit\" and pretending it's a major backlash. Andrew Tate says fucked up things about women all the time (in fact, it's kind of his whole schtick) and it's as much of a non-event as this is.",
">\n\nPlease link me to something fucked up hes said about women, and ill agree with you, two wrongs don't make a right.",
">\n\nHere's exhibit A.",
">\n\nSure I agree with you he has said fucked up stuff about women, it doesn't mean its okay to make a joke about small dick energy.\nDo you understand my point?",
">\n\nWe understand, it's just that your point is fucking stupid",
">\n\nYou have no idea what his point is, it's funny that people on this thread OP and others actually like Andrew Tate.\nIt proves that everyone is completely frothingly tribalistic with zero nuance.",
">\n\nIf someone is behaving insufferably, people are going to laugh at them for things that they wouldn’t find funny if it happened to someone they liked.\nFor example, is it funny when people go bankrupt? No. Would it be funny if someone like Andrew Tate went bankrupt after boasting about Bugattis and all of his mass wealth? Yes. This doesn’t mean people who would make fun of him for that are making fun of poverty or all people who lose their livelihoods, it would just be funny if it happened to that particular person. \nIn the same way, the idea that Tate does all the douchey, over the top macho things that he does in order to compensate for having a small penis is funny, whilst it not being funny to make fun of every person who has a small penis.",
">\n\nSubstitute fat. Is that ok?",
">\n\nDepends on what the fat person is doing. If the person is minding their own business then no, if the fat person is attacking other people’s appearances then yeah go for it.",
">\n\nInteresting take. Might want to play with that a bit. A lot of situations where your reasoning falls apart.",
">\n\nPeople insulted Trump for being fat when he tried to say he was like the most fit person ever. People make fun of Elon Musk's body. You can make the same type of insult to two different people and it come off two different ways. \nWhen you make your identity or argument around something it opens up certain insults and comebacks. \nTate's whole thing is trying to act like this \"alpha male\" when in reality he's a sex trafficking weirdo who pays women to hang out with him. It's totally fine to insult him with a childish insult. \nI also find that people worried or mad about this don't actually care about body image issues. They just want a gotcha moment for people. Because many would have shitty takes about fat people or whine about pc culture.",
">\n\nWhen you call some MF that doesn't necessarily mean you are a MF... I'm not saying it's okay to say abusing words but we still do use them.\nI don't think she said it in literal terms, it was completely literary. Also she only said it cause it was Tate who she said it to. Also if a woman has small tits and someone said to someone else that they have small tits energy, I don't think one who actually has small tits would mind it, cause she is not involved and it's kinda perfect way of irritating Tate.. cause he really cares about these things. \nWhen it comes to increasing the insecurity of someone who actually has small D and is insecure about it... She couldn't think so far cause all she wanted was to irritate Tate and she was successful",
">\n\nI don't think it even irritated him if that was her goal but definitely helped him with popularity. It just proves what he says people think of insecure men, it just moves them to him and he gains more influence. It was an ignorant reply in poor taste. Someone with much following and influence as Greta shouldn't be as irresponsible and the followers shouldn't be having to do mental gymnastics to defend her instead of seeing it as it is: body shaming against men.",
">\n\nIs this some kind of weird meta-game? Are Andrew Tate fans pretending to actually be offended by this stupid insult to prove a point? Does anybody actually think her retort was any sharper than a brick wrapped in a wet blanket?\nWhat is going on here?!",
">\n\n\nWhat is going on here?!\n\nAndrew Tate fans have a lot of small dick energy. That's whats going on.",
">\n\nWhy are people not allowed dislike tate (he's an absolute idiot and a grifter) and also to criticize obvious body shaming from a supposed progressive? If Biden started talking about \"N*gger energy\" criticizing Kanye for antisemitism, would that be ok in your eyes? Would you say that a black guy who doesn't like that must be an angry Kanye fan? Or is it disgustingly offensive towards all African Americans to use that type of language no matter what?"
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I think Greta used that phrase not because she actually believes or wants to promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior, but because people like Andrew Tate believe and promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior. If Andrew Tate gets hurt because Greta says he has small dick energy, then maybe -- just maybe, with the tiniest bit of introspection -- he'll come to realize how hateful some of his language is.
Bullies like Andrew Tate don't really respond to logic or pleas for sympathy. The only way to maybe make them understand the hurt they cause is to inflict it on them, because they don't care about anyone but themselves.
So instead of putting the cart before the horse and blaming Greta for using an offensive phrase as an argumentative tactic, maybe blame the people who use the phrase to actually demean people.
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"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult.",
">\n\nIt's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh.",
">\n\nHonestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV",
">\n\nPeople can make mistakes and this was one of them.. so we can all just criticize her reply fairly and move on. No need for acute mental gymnastics to defend her as this comments section is showing lmao.",
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">\n\nI don't think anyone is arguing it's not offensive. I'm pretty sure she was trying to offend insecure men. Apparently with great success.",
">\n\nShe was trying to offend men who were insecure about their body image?\nHow is that not body shaming?",
">\n\nIt is, but we playing the avoidance and rationalization game",
">\n\nbecause women invented \"small dick energy\"\nharsh, sad. but we go jim🗿",
">\n\nOP never mentioned women tho. Post is strictly about why it's offensive. Do you disagree that it's not offensive or you think it's a trivial matter to make fun of that men's mental health doesn't matter as much?",
">\n\nThe female equivalent is\n\"Loose Pussy Energy\".\nThe typical man-hate hypocrisy commonly going around is beyond obvious. And it is an attack on All men and boys not just some.",
">\n\nNot a disagreement per se, but also worth noting that it’s transphobic. Which is to say, it insults all men by reinforcing patriarchy and punching down to two groups of men.",
">\n\nShe said small dick energy. Not that he had a small dick (though, come on). She used that phrase BECAUSE it's Tate. She's not a moron.\nHe is, as evidenced by his life to this point and his two responses to Thunberg, which were epically pathetic, is a moron and didn't seem to get it, though he doesn't get a lot.",
">\n\nThis is worse than saying he has a small dick, because how would she know, and that would just be dismissed as stupid.\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\nI can't understand the mental gymnastics some people are doing to try and say this isn't body shaming.",
">\n\n\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\n\nI mean yeah -- kind of like how pussy is an insult denoting cowardice, cunt is an insult meaning basically, terrible, etc., \nShe used that on purpose. Are you making CMV every time you see someone calling someone else a pussy?",
">\n\nPussy is kind of already known to be a shitty gendered insult so it doesn't need a CMV. In this case, Greta's gendered \"having a small penis is bad\" tweet is massively amplified, reached r/all on a shitload of subs, etc. so some discussion about whether or not that is cool is warranted",
">\n\nSmall dick energy isn’t about having a small dick tho. It’s a reflection of an attitude that men who are offensive, aggressive, nasty to people are overcompensating for their insecurities. A small dick doesn’t mean you won’t be able to find a partner or that you’re any less of a man. Being a downright trash bag of a human to others, like in this instance where an internet edgelord is cyber bullying a teenager on the internet who is fighting for the survival of our planet/humanity is an example of this trash behavior, is more of a determining factor. \nYou can also have a small dick but have big dick energy, as it’s reflective of who you are as a person. It’s an attitude. It’s who you choose to be to yourself and others. Hell, there’s women who use the term that they have big dick energy and I can tell you those women’s dicks are none existent so therefore size isn’t a thing. \nNo one should be made fun of for something they had no control over. The worth of a man is not tied to the size of his penis. Although, toxic masculinity and shallow people will tell you different. They say the same for disabled people, fat people etc. There’s plenty of people who are not “conventional standards of beauty” which is the majority of us, that lead happy, healthy relationships. Those relationships start with yourself and understanding your worth as a person isn’t tied to what you look like or how big your junk is. \nThe point is if you choose to be a trash person like Tate, where your self worth is tied into how cruel/offensive you can be to other people, don’t be mad if people call you out for that trashy attitude. Your post definitely reeks of “men are the true victims” when clearly you didn’t seem to have a problem with a grown man cyber bullying a teenager.",
">\n\nI like how you imply that OP is a fan of a literal human trafficker because they point out that a body-shaming insult is body-shaming. Do you understand why associating a trait of someone's body with negative personality traits is bad?",
">\n\nNo because people like this always have exceptions that allow them to use the things they complain about. Cognitive gymnastics allows them to recognise shaming women and people of colour is bad, because society will eat them otherwise, but when someone shows up who deserves a bit of a roasting all of their social etiquette rules go out the window and the excuses come out as to why in this context it doesn't count.\n\"Ahh no, here it is a reflection of an attitude\" blah blah 3 paragraphs later and we've clouded over the simple fact that body shaming is body shaming and harms people you weren't intending to insult.",
">\n\nPeople like this? You’re assuming things about me because I am a character in your mind not a real person. I am not a monolith. We should not be body shaming people. I am explaining the other side of this issue and why people use these terms. You never asked if I use these same terms in my life. You assumed I do. I don’t. You didn’t even bother to read my response because if you did you would have realized this.",
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">\n\nYou can have smol pp but big pp energy and vice versa",
">\n\nSo why is the phrase small dick energy if it has nothing to do with having a small dick?",
">\n\nIdk man, I just work here.",
">\n\nYou know why. Lol cause small dick is associated with bad. And by insulting dicks you use this knowledge to offend, at the cost of body shaming people. \nStop feigning dumb just to avoid the reasoning lol",
">\n\nI can see how it would be offensive, and I wouldn’t use it myself. I feel like the phrase refers more to how someone acts as opposed to how they are endowed. And how it’s behavior and actions that make people think down of you not your penis.",
">\n\nPoint is that we, as a society, should encourage better insults that attack the comments of the person without necessarily having to equate it to something someone with a small dick.",
">\n\nWould you agree with me, that if Andrew clapped back with one of those that the internet would be up in arms about it?",
">\n\nYou mean the way that you are, here, on the internet, up in arms?",
">\n\nIm one person on reddit, theres no major backlash like there would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\nSee, what's happening here is that you are also looking at people who are \"one person on Reddit\" and pretending it's a major backlash. Andrew Tate says fucked up things about women all the time (in fact, it's kind of his whole schtick) and it's as much of a non-event as this is.",
">\n\nPlease link me to something fucked up hes said about women, and ill agree with you, two wrongs don't make a right.",
">\n\nHere's exhibit A.",
">\n\nSure I agree with you he has said fucked up stuff about women, it doesn't mean its okay to make a joke about small dick energy.\nDo you understand my point?",
">\n\nWe understand, it's just that your point is fucking stupid",
">\n\nYou have no idea what his point is, it's funny that people on this thread OP and others actually like Andrew Tate.\nIt proves that everyone is completely frothingly tribalistic with zero nuance.",
">\n\nIf someone is behaving insufferably, people are going to laugh at them for things that they wouldn’t find funny if it happened to someone they liked.\nFor example, is it funny when people go bankrupt? No. Would it be funny if someone like Andrew Tate went bankrupt after boasting about Bugattis and all of his mass wealth? Yes. This doesn’t mean people who would make fun of him for that are making fun of poverty or all people who lose their livelihoods, it would just be funny if it happened to that particular person. \nIn the same way, the idea that Tate does all the douchey, over the top macho things that he does in order to compensate for having a small penis is funny, whilst it not being funny to make fun of every person who has a small penis.",
">\n\nSubstitute fat. Is that ok?",
">\n\nDepends on what the fat person is doing. If the person is minding their own business then no, if the fat person is attacking other people’s appearances then yeah go for it.",
">\n\nInteresting take. Might want to play with that a bit. A lot of situations where your reasoning falls apart.",
">\n\nPeople insulted Trump for being fat when he tried to say he was like the most fit person ever. People make fun of Elon Musk's body. You can make the same type of insult to two different people and it come off two different ways. \nWhen you make your identity or argument around something it opens up certain insults and comebacks. \nTate's whole thing is trying to act like this \"alpha male\" when in reality he's a sex trafficking weirdo who pays women to hang out with him. It's totally fine to insult him with a childish insult. \nI also find that people worried or mad about this don't actually care about body image issues. They just want a gotcha moment for people. Because many would have shitty takes about fat people or whine about pc culture.",
">\n\nWhen you call some MF that doesn't necessarily mean you are a MF... I'm not saying it's okay to say abusing words but we still do use them.\nI don't think she said it in literal terms, it was completely literary. Also she only said it cause it was Tate who she said it to. Also if a woman has small tits and someone said to someone else that they have small tits energy, I don't think one who actually has small tits would mind it, cause she is not involved and it's kinda perfect way of irritating Tate.. cause he really cares about these things. \nWhen it comes to increasing the insecurity of someone who actually has small D and is insecure about it... She couldn't think so far cause all she wanted was to irritate Tate and she was successful",
">\n\nI don't think it even irritated him if that was her goal but definitely helped him with popularity. It just proves what he says people think of insecure men, it just moves them to him and he gains more influence. It was an ignorant reply in poor taste. Someone with much following and influence as Greta shouldn't be as irresponsible and the followers shouldn't be having to do mental gymnastics to defend her instead of seeing it as it is: body shaming against men.",
">\n\nIs this some kind of weird meta-game? Are Andrew Tate fans pretending to actually be offended by this stupid insult to prove a point? Does anybody actually think her retort was any sharper than a brick wrapped in a wet blanket?\nWhat is going on here?!",
">\n\n\nWhat is going on here?!\n\nAndrew Tate fans have a lot of small dick energy. That's whats going on.",
">\n\nWhy are people not allowed dislike tate (he's an absolute idiot and a grifter) and also to criticize obvious body shaming from a supposed progressive? If Biden started talking about \"N*gger energy\" criticizing Kanye for antisemitism, would that be ok in your eyes? Would you say that a black guy who doesn't like that must be an angry Kanye fan? Or is it disgustingly offensive towards all African Americans to use that type of language no matter what?",
">\n\nBecause it suits their narrative to frame it as if people are just defending tate. It's easier than just actually defending body shaming. Done deal."
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"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult.",
">\n\nIt's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh.",
">\n\nHonestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV",
">\n\nPeople can make mistakes and this was one of them.. so we can all just criticize her reply fairly and move on. No need for acute mental gymnastics to defend her as this comments section is showing lmao.",
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">\n\nI don't think anyone is arguing it's not offensive. I'm pretty sure she was trying to offend insecure men. Apparently with great success.",
">\n\nShe was trying to offend men who were insecure about their body image?\nHow is that not body shaming?",
">\n\nIt is, but we playing the avoidance and rationalization game",
">\n\nbecause women invented \"small dick energy\"\nharsh, sad. but we go jim🗿",
">\n\nOP never mentioned women tho. Post is strictly about why it's offensive. Do you disagree that it's not offensive or you think it's a trivial matter to make fun of that men's mental health doesn't matter as much?",
">\n\nThe female equivalent is\n\"Loose Pussy Energy\".\nThe typical man-hate hypocrisy commonly going around is beyond obvious. And it is an attack on All men and boys not just some.",
">\n\nNot a disagreement per se, but also worth noting that it’s transphobic. Which is to say, it insults all men by reinforcing patriarchy and punching down to two groups of men.",
">\n\nShe said small dick energy. Not that he had a small dick (though, come on). She used that phrase BECAUSE it's Tate. She's not a moron.\nHe is, as evidenced by his life to this point and his two responses to Thunberg, which were epically pathetic, is a moron and didn't seem to get it, though he doesn't get a lot.",
">\n\nThis is worse than saying he has a small dick, because how would she know, and that would just be dismissed as stupid.\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\nI can't understand the mental gymnastics some people are doing to try and say this isn't body shaming.",
">\n\n\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\n\nI mean yeah -- kind of like how pussy is an insult denoting cowardice, cunt is an insult meaning basically, terrible, etc., \nShe used that on purpose. Are you making CMV every time you see someone calling someone else a pussy?",
">\n\nPussy is kind of already known to be a shitty gendered insult so it doesn't need a CMV. In this case, Greta's gendered \"having a small penis is bad\" tweet is massively amplified, reached r/all on a shitload of subs, etc. so some discussion about whether or not that is cool is warranted",
">\n\nSmall dick energy isn’t about having a small dick tho. It’s a reflection of an attitude that men who are offensive, aggressive, nasty to people are overcompensating for their insecurities. A small dick doesn’t mean you won’t be able to find a partner or that you’re any less of a man. Being a downright trash bag of a human to others, like in this instance where an internet edgelord is cyber bullying a teenager on the internet who is fighting for the survival of our planet/humanity is an example of this trash behavior, is more of a determining factor. \nYou can also have a small dick but have big dick energy, as it’s reflective of who you are as a person. It’s an attitude. It’s who you choose to be to yourself and others. Hell, there’s women who use the term that they have big dick energy and I can tell you those women’s dicks are none existent so therefore size isn’t a thing. \nNo one should be made fun of for something they had no control over. The worth of a man is not tied to the size of his penis. Although, toxic masculinity and shallow people will tell you different. They say the same for disabled people, fat people etc. There’s plenty of people who are not “conventional standards of beauty” which is the majority of us, that lead happy, healthy relationships. Those relationships start with yourself and understanding your worth as a person isn’t tied to what you look like or how big your junk is. \nThe point is if you choose to be a trash person like Tate, where your self worth is tied into how cruel/offensive you can be to other people, don’t be mad if people call you out for that trashy attitude. Your post definitely reeks of “men are the true victims” when clearly you didn’t seem to have a problem with a grown man cyber bullying a teenager.",
">\n\nI like how you imply that OP is a fan of a literal human trafficker because they point out that a body-shaming insult is body-shaming. Do you understand why associating a trait of someone's body with negative personality traits is bad?",
">\n\nNo because people like this always have exceptions that allow them to use the things they complain about. Cognitive gymnastics allows them to recognise shaming women and people of colour is bad, because society will eat them otherwise, but when someone shows up who deserves a bit of a roasting all of their social etiquette rules go out the window and the excuses come out as to why in this context it doesn't count.\n\"Ahh no, here it is a reflection of an attitude\" blah blah 3 paragraphs later and we've clouded over the simple fact that body shaming is body shaming and harms people you weren't intending to insult.",
">\n\nPeople like this? You’re assuming things about me because I am a character in your mind not a real person. I am not a monolith. We should not be body shaming people. I am explaining the other side of this issue and why people use these terms. You never asked if I use these same terms in my life. You assumed I do. I don’t. You didn’t even bother to read my response because if you did you would have realized this.",
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">\n\nYou can have smol pp but big pp energy and vice versa",
">\n\nSo why is the phrase small dick energy if it has nothing to do with having a small dick?",
">\n\nIdk man, I just work here.",
">\n\nYou know why. Lol cause small dick is associated with bad. And by insulting dicks you use this knowledge to offend, at the cost of body shaming people. \nStop feigning dumb just to avoid the reasoning lol",
">\n\nI can see how it would be offensive, and I wouldn’t use it myself. I feel like the phrase refers more to how someone acts as opposed to how they are endowed. And how it’s behavior and actions that make people think down of you not your penis.",
">\n\nPoint is that we, as a society, should encourage better insults that attack the comments of the person without necessarily having to equate it to something someone with a small dick.",
">\n\nWould you agree with me, that if Andrew clapped back with one of those that the internet would be up in arms about it?",
">\n\nYou mean the way that you are, here, on the internet, up in arms?",
">\n\nIm one person on reddit, theres no major backlash like there would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\nSee, what's happening here is that you are also looking at people who are \"one person on Reddit\" and pretending it's a major backlash. Andrew Tate says fucked up things about women all the time (in fact, it's kind of his whole schtick) and it's as much of a non-event as this is.",
">\n\nPlease link me to something fucked up hes said about women, and ill agree with you, two wrongs don't make a right.",
">\n\nHere's exhibit A.",
">\n\nSure I agree with you he has said fucked up stuff about women, it doesn't mean its okay to make a joke about small dick energy.\nDo you understand my point?",
">\n\nWe understand, it's just that your point is fucking stupid",
">\n\nYou have no idea what his point is, it's funny that people on this thread OP and others actually like Andrew Tate.\nIt proves that everyone is completely frothingly tribalistic with zero nuance.",
">\n\nIf someone is behaving insufferably, people are going to laugh at them for things that they wouldn’t find funny if it happened to someone they liked.\nFor example, is it funny when people go bankrupt? No. Would it be funny if someone like Andrew Tate went bankrupt after boasting about Bugattis and all of his mass wealth? Yes. This doesn’t mean people who would make fun of him for that are making fun of poverty or all people who lose their livelihoods, it would just be funny if it happened to that particular person. \nIn the same way, the idea that Tate does all the douchey, over the top macho things that he does in order to compensate for having a small penis is funny, whilst it not being funny to make fun of every person who has a small penis.",
">\n\nSubstitute fat. Is that ok?",
">\n\nDepends on what the fat person is doing. If the person is minding their own business then no, if the fat person is attacking other people’s appearances then yeah go for it.",
">\n\nInteresting take. Might want to play with that a bit. A lot of situations where your reasoning falls apart.",
">\n\nPeople insulted Trump for being fat when he tried to say he was like the most fit person ever. People make fun of Elon Musk's body. You can make the same type of insult to two different people and it come off two different ways. \nWhen you make your identity or argument around something it opens up certain insults and comebacks. \nTate's whole thing is trying to act like this \"alpha male\" when in reality he's a sex trafficking weirdo who pays women to hang out with him. It's totally fine to insult him with a childish insult. \nI also find that people worried or mad about this don't actually care about body image issues. They just want a gotcha moment for people. Because many would have shitty takes about fat people or whine about pc culture.",
">\n\nWhen you call some MF that doesn't necessarily mean you are a MF... I'm not saying it's okay to say abusing words but we still do use them.\nI don't think she said it in literal terms, it was completely literary. Also she only said it cause it was Tate who she said it to. Also if a woman has small tits and someone said to someone else that they have small tits energy, I don't think one who actually has small tits would mind it, cause she is not involved and it's kinda perfect way of irritating Tate.. cause he really cares about these things. \nWhen it comes to increasing the insecurity of someone who actually has small D and is insecure about it... She couldn't think so far cause all she wanted was to irritate Tate and she was successful",
">\n\nI don't think it even irritated him if that was her goal but definitely helped him with popularity. It just proves what he says people think of insecure men, it just moves them to him and he gains more influence. It was an ignorant reply in poor taste. Someone with much following and influence as Greta shouldn't be as irresponsible and the followers shouldn't be having to do mental gymnastics to defend her instead of seeing it as it is: body shaming against men.",
">\n\nIs this some kind of weird meta-game? Are Andrew Tate fans pretending to actually be offended by this stupid insult to prove a point? Does anybody actually think her retort was any sharper than a brick wrapped in a wet blanket?\nWhat is going on here?!",
">\n\n\nWhat is going on here?!\n\nAndrew Tate fans have a lot of small dick energy. That's whats going on.",
">\n\nWhy are people not allowed dislike tate (he's an absolute idiot and a grifter) and also to criticize obvious body shaming from a supposed progressive? If Biden started talking about \"N*gger energy\" criticizing Kanye for antisemitism, would that be ok in your eyes? Would you say that a black guy who doesn't like that must be an angry Kanye fan? Or is it disgustingly offensive towards all African Americans to use that type of language no matter what?",
">\n\nBecause it suits their narrative to frame it as if people are just defending tate. It's easier than just actually defending body shaming. Done deal.",
">\n\nI think Greta used that phrase not because she actually believes or wants to promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior, but because people like Andrew Tate believe and promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior. If Andrew Tate gets hurt because Greta says he has small dick energy, then maybe -- just maybe, with the tiniest bit of introspection -- he'll come to realize how hateful some of his language is.\nBullies like Andrew Tate don't really respond to logic or pleas for sympathy. The only way to maybe make them understand the hurt they cause is to inflict it on them, because they don't care about anyone but themselves. \nSo instead of putting the cart before the horse and blaming Greta for using an offensive phrase as an argumentative tactic, maybe blame the people who use the phrase to actually demean people."
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Yes people did that with Trump when he claimed to be the fittest person ever basically. If someone has a habit of insulting people a certain way or making certain claims then they open themselves up to specific insults.
Sometimes we'd find those insults not tasteful if said to other people. But I feel like most people equating this to fat insults don't actually care about fat people. A lot of people would also be like oh things are getting too pc or soft or woke when it comes to body positivity towards fat people. So for me it's hard to buy this line of reasoning as being truly valid or caring.
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"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult.",
">\n\nIt's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh.",
">\n\nHonestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV",
">\n\nPeople can make mistakes and this was one of them.. so we can all just criticize her reply fairly and move on. No need for acute mental gymnastics to defend her as this comments section is showing lmao.",
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">\n\nI don't think anyone is arguing it's not offensive. I'm pretty sure she was trying to offend insecure men. Apparently with great success.",
">\n\nShe was trying to offend men who were insecure about their body image?\nHow is that not body shaming?",
">\n\nIt is, but we playing the avoidance and rationalization game",
">\n\nbecause women invented \"small dick energy\"\nharsh, sad. but we go jim🗿",
">\n\nOP never mentioned women tho. Post is strictly about why it's offensive. Do you disagree that it's not offensive or you think it's a trivial matter to make fun of that men's mental health doesn't matter as much?",
">\n\nThe female equivalent is\n\"Loose Pussy Energy\".\nThe typical man-hate hypocrisy commonly going around is beyond obvious. And it is an attack on All men and boys not just some.",
">\n\nNot a disagreement per se, but also worth noting that it’s transphobic. Which is to say, it insults all men by reinforcing patriarchy and punching down to two groups of men.",
">\n\nShe said small dick energy. Not that he had a small dick (though, come on). She used that phrase BECAUSE it's Tate. She's not a moron.\nHe is, as evidenced by his life to this point and his two responses to Thunberg, which were epically pathetic, is a moron and didn't seem to get it, though he doesn't get a lot.",
">\n\nThis is worse than saying he has a small dick, because how would she know, and that would just be dismissed as stupid.\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\nI can't understand the mental gymnastics some people are doing to try and say this isn't body shaming.",
">\n\n\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\n\nI mean yeah -- kind of like how pussy is an insult denoting cowardice, cunt is an insult meaning basically, terrible, etc., \nShe used that on purpose. Are you making CMV every time you see someone calling someone else a pussy?",
">\n\nPussy is kind of already known to be a shitty gendered insult so it doesn't need a CMV. In this case, Greta's gendered \"having a small penis is bad\" tweet is massively amplified, reached r/all on a shitload of subs, etc. so some discussion about whether or not that is cool is warranted",
">\n\nSmall dick energy isn’t about having a small dick tho. It’s a reflection of an attitude that men who are offensive, aggressive, nasty to people are overcompensating for their insecurities. A small dick doesn’t mean you won’t be able to find a partner or that you’re any less of a man. Being a downright trash bag of a human to others, like in this instance where an internet edgelord is cyber bullying a teenager on the internet who is fighting for the survival of our planet/humanity is an example of this trash behavior, is more of a determining factor. \nYou can also have a small dick but have big dick energy, as it’s reflective of who you are as a person. It’s an attitude. It’s who you choose to be to yourself and others. Hell, there’s women who use the term that they have big dick energy and I can tell you those women’s dicks are none existent so therefore size isn’t a thing. \nNo one should be made fun of for something they had no control over. The worth of a man is not tied to the size of his penis. Although, toxic masculinity and shallow people will tell you different. They say the same for disabled people, fat people etc. There’s plenty of people who are not “conventional standards of beauty” which is the majority of us, that lead happy, healthy relationships. Those relationships start with yourself and understanding your worth as a person isn’t tied to what you look like or how big your junk is. \nThe point is if you choose to be a trash person like Tate, where your self worth is tied into how cruel/offensive you can be to other people, don’t be mad if people call you out for that trashy attitude. Your post definitely reeks of “men are the true victims” when clearly you didn’t seem to have a problem with a grown man cyber bullying a teenager.",
">\n\nI like how you imply that OP is a fan of a literal human trafficker because they point out that a body-shaming insult is body-shaming. Do you understand why associating a trait of someone's body with negative personality traits is bad?",
">\n\nNo because people like this always have exceptions that allow them to use the things they complain about. Cognitive gymnastics allows them to recognise shaming women and people of colour is bad, because society will eat them otherwise, but when someone shows up who deserves a bit of a roasting all of their social etiquette rules go out the window and the excuses come out as to why in this context it doesn't count.\n\"Ahh no, here it is a reflection of an attitude\" blah blah 3 paragraphs later and we've clouded over the simple fact that body shaming is body shaming and harms people you weren't intending to insult.",
">\n\nPeople like this? You’re assuming things about me because I am a character in your mind not a real person. I am not a monolith. We should not be body shaming people. I am explaining the other side of this issue and why people use these terms. You never asked if I use these same terms in my life. You assumed I do. I don’t. You didn’t even bother to read my response because if you did you would have realized this.",
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">\n\nYou can have smol pp but big pp energy and vice versa",
">\n\nSo why is the phrase small dick energy if it has nothing to do with having a small dick?",
">\n\nIdk man, I just work here.",
">\n\nYou know why. Lol cause small dick is associated with bad. And by insulting dicks you use this knowledge to offend, at the cost of body shaming people. \nStop feigning dumb just to avoid the reasoning lol",
">\n\nI can see how it would be offensive, and I wouldn’t use it myself. I feel like the phrase refers more to how someone acts as opposed to how they are endowed. And how it’s behavior and actions that make people think down of you not your penis.",
">\n\nPoint is that we, as a society, should encourage better insults that attack the comments of the person without necessarily having to equate it to something someone with a small dick.",
">\n\nWould you agree with me, that if Andrew clapped back with one of those that the internet would be up in arms about it?",
">\n\nYou mean the way that you are, here, on the internet, up in arms?",
">\n\nIm one person on reddit, theres no major backlash like there would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\nSee, what's happening here is that you are also looking at people who are \"one person on Reddit\" and pretending it's a major backlash. Andrew Tate says fucked up things about women all the time (in fact, it's kind of his whole schtick) and it's as much of a non-event as this is.",
">\n\nPlease link me to something fucked up hes said about women, and ill agree with you, two wrongs don't make a right.",
">\n\nHere's exhibit A.",
">\n\nSure I agree with you he has said fucked up stuff about women, it doesn't mean its okay to make a joke about small dick energy.\nDo you understand my point?",
">\n\nWe understand, it's just that your point is fucking stupid",
">\n\nYou have no idea what his point is, it's funny that people on this thread OP and others actually like Andrew Tate.\nIt proves that everyone is completely frothingly tribalistic with zero nuance.",
">\n\nIf someone is behaving insufferably, people are going to laugh at them for things that they wouldn’t find funny if it happened to someone they liked.\nFor example, is it funny when people go bankrupt? No. Would it be funny if someone like Andrew Tate went bankrupt after boasting about Bugattis and all of his mass wealth? Yes. This doesn’t mean people who would make fun of him for that are making fun of poverty or all people who lose their livelihoods, it would just be funny if it happened to that particular person. \nIn the same way, the idea that Tate does all the douchey, over the top macho things that he does in order to compensate for having a small penis is funny, whilst it not being funny to make fun of every person who has a small penis.",
">\n\nSubstitute fat. Is that ok?",
">\n\nDepends on what the fat person is doing. If the person is minding their own business then no, if the fat person is attacking other people’s appearances then yeah go for it.",
">\n\nInteresting take. Might want to play with that a bit. A lot of situations where your reasoning falls apart.",
">\n\nPeople insulted Trump for being fat when he tried to say he was like the most fit person ever. People make fun of Elon Musk's body. You can make the same type of insult to two different people and it come off two different ways. \nWhen you make your identity or argument around something it opens up certain insults and comebacks. \nTate's whole thing is trying to act like this \"alpha male\" when in reality he's a sex trafficking weirdo who pays women to hang out with him. It's totally fine to insult him with a childish insult. \nI also find that people worried or mad about this don't actually care about body image issues. They just want a gotcha moment for people. Because many would have shitty takes about fat people or whine about pc culture.",
">\n\nWhen you call some MF that doesn't necessarily mean you are a MF... I'm not saying it's okay to say abusing words but we still do use them.\nI don't think she said it in literal terms, it was completely literary. Also she only said it cause it was Tate who she said it to. Also if a woman has small tits and someone said to someone else that they have small tits energy, I don't think one who actually has small tits would mind it, cause she is not involved and it's kinda perfect way of irritating Tate.. cause he really cares about these things. \nWhen it comes to increasing the insecurity of someone who actually has small D and is insecure about it... She couldn't think so far cause all she wanted was to irritate Tate and she was successful",
">\n\nI don't think it even irritated him if that was her goal but definitely helped him with popularity. It just proves what he says people think of insecure men, it just moves them to him and he gains more influence. It was an ignorant reply in poor taste. Someone with much following and influence as Greta shouldn't be as irresponsible and the followers shouldn't be having to do mental gymnastics to defend her instead of seeing it as it is: body shaming against men.",
">\n\nIs this some kind of weird meta-game? Are Andrew Tate fans pretending to actually be offended by this stupid insult to prove a point? Does anybody actually think her retort was any sharper than a brick wrapped in a wet blanket?\nWhat is going on here?!",
">\n\n\nWhat is going on here?!\n\nAndrew Tate fans have a lot of small dick energy. That's whats going on.",
">\n\nWhy are people not allowed dislike tate (he's an absolute idiot and a grifter) and also to criticize obvious body shaming from a supposed progressive? If Biden started talking about \"N*gger energy\" criticizing Kanye for antisemitism, would that be ok in your eyes? Would you say that a black guy who doesn't like that must be an angry Kanye fan? Or is it disgustingly offensive towards all African Americans to use that type of language no matter what?",
">\n\nBecause it suits their narrative to frame it as if people are just defending tate. It's easier than just actually defending body shaming. Done deal.",
">\n\nI think Greta used that phrase not because she actually believes or wants to promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior, but because people like Andrew Tate believe and promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior. If Andrew Tate gets hurt because Greta says he has small dick energy, then maybe -- just maybe, with the tiniest bit of introspection -- he'll come to realize how hateful some of his language is.\nBullies like Andrew Tate don't really respond to logic or pleas for sympathy. The only way to maybe make them understand the hurt they cause is to inflict it on them, because they don't care about anyone but themselves. \nSo instead of putting the cart before the horse and blaming Greta for using an offensive phrase as an argumentative tactic, maybe blame the people who use the phrase to actually demean people.",
">\n\nCan we substitute fat instead and be justified?"
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No one said it has to be authentic caring. This sub is for exploring the intellectual arguments. Your perception of how authentic someone’s feelings towards fat people is basically irrelevant. Argue the point or don’t. Passing your authenticity test is a wierd standard to try to argue for.
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"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult.",
">\n\nIt's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh.",
">\n\nHonestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV",
">\n\nPeople can make mistakes and this was one of them.. so we can all just criticize her reply fairly and move on. No need for acute mental gymnastics to defend her as this comments section is showing lmao.",
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">\n\nI don't think anyone is arguing it's not offensive. I'm pretty sure she was trying to offend insecure men. Apparently with great success.",
">\n\nShe was trying to offend men who were insecure about their body image?\nHow is that not body shaming?",
">\n\nIt is, but we playing the avoidance and rationalization game",
">\n\nbecause women invented \"small dick energy\"\nharsh, sad. but we go jim🗿",
">\n\nOP never mentioned women tho. Post is strictly about why it's offensive. Do you disagree that it's not offensive or you think it's a trivial matter to make fun of that men's mental health doesn't matter as much?",
">\n\nThe female equivalent is\n\"Loose Pussy Energy\".\nThe typical man-hate hypocrisy commonly going around is beyond obvious. And it is an attack on All men and boys not just some.",
">\n\nNot a disagreement per se, but also worth noting that it’s transphobic. Which is to say, it insults all men by reinforcing patriarchy and punching down to two groups of men.",
">\n\nShe said small dick energy. Not that he had a small dick (though, come on). She used that phrase BECAUSE it's Tate. She's not a moron.\nHe is, as evidenced by his life to this point and his two responses to Thunberg, which were epically pathetic, is a moron and didn't seem to get it, though he doesn't get a lot.",
">\n\nThis is worse than saying he has a small dick, because how would she know, and that would just be dismissed as stupid.\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\nI can't understand the mental gymnastics some people are doing to try and say this isn't body shaming.",
">\n\n\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\n\nI mean yeah -- kind of like how pussy is an insult denoting cowardice, cunt is an insult meaning basically, terrible, etc., \nShe used that on purpose. Are you making CMV every time you see someone calling someone else a pussy?",
">\n\nPussy is kind of already known to be a shitty gendered insult so it doesn't need a CMV. In this case, Greta's gendered \"having a small penis is bad\" tweet is massively amplified, reached r/all on a shitload of subs, etc. so some discussion about whether or not that is cool is warranted",
">\n\nSmall dick energy isn’t about having a small dick tho. It’s a reflection of an attitude that men who are offensive, aggressive, nasty to people are overcompensating for their insecurities. A small dick doesn’t mean you won’t be able to find a partner or that you’re any less of a man. Being a downright trash bag of a human to others, like in this instance where an internet edgelord is cyber bullying a teenager on the internet who is fighting for the survival of our planet/humanity is an example of this trash behavior, is more of a determining factor. \nYou can also have a small dick but have big dick energy, as it’s reflective of who you are as a person. It’s an attitude. It’s who you choose to be to yourself and others. Hell, there’s women who use the term that they have big dick energy and I can tell you those women’s dicks are none existent so therefore size isn’t a thing. \nNo one should be made fun of for something they had no control over. The worth of a man is not tied to the size of his penis. Although, toxic masculinity and shallow people will tell you different. They say the same for disabled people, fat people etc. There’s plenty of people who are not “conventional standards of beauty” which is the majority of us, that lead happy, healthy relationships. Those relationships start with yourself and understanding your worth as a person isn’t tied to what you look like or how big your junk is. \nThe point is if you choose to be a trash person like Tate, where your self worth is tied into how cruel/offensive you can be to other people, don’t be mad if people call you out for that trashy attitude. Your post definitely reeks of “men are the true victims” when clearly you didn’t seem to have a problem with a grown man cyber bullying a teenager.",
">\n\nI like how you imply that OP is a fan of a literal human trafficker because they point out that a body-shaming insult is body-shaming. Do you understand why associating a trait of someone's body with negative personality traits is bad?",
">\n\nNo because people like this always have exceptions that allow them to use the things they complain about. Cognitive gymnastics allows them to recognise shaming women and people of colour is bad, because society will eat them otherwise, but when someone shows up who deserves a bit of a roasting all of their social etiquette rules go out the window and the excuses come out as to why in this context it doesn't count.\n\"Ahh no, here it is a reflection of an attitude\" blah blah 3 paragraphs later and we've clouded over the simple fact that body shaming is body shaming and harms people you weren't intending to insult.",
">\n\nPeople like this? You’re assuming things about me because I am a character in your mind not a real person. I am not a monolith. We should not be body shaming people. I am explaining the other side of this issue and why people use these terms. You never asked if I use these same terms in my life. You assumed I do. I don’t. You didn’t even bother to read my response because if you did you would have realized this.",
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">\n\nYou can have smol pp but big pp energy and vice versa",
">\n\nSo why is the phrase small dick energy if it has nothing to do with having a small dick?",
">\n\nIdk man, I just work here.",
">\n\nYou know why. Lol cause small dick is associated with bad. And by insulting dicks you use this knowledge to offend, at the cost of body shaming people. \nStop feigning dumb just to avoid the reasoning lol",
">\n\nI can see how it would be offensive, and I wouldn’t use it myself. I feel like the phrase refers more to how someone acts as opposed to how they are endowed. And how it’s behavior and actions that make people think down of you not your penis.",
">\n\nPoint is that we, as a society, should encourage better insults that attack the comments of the person without necessarily having to equate it to something someone with a small dick.",
">\n\nWould you agree with me, that if Andrew clapped back with one of those that the internet would be up in arms about it?",
">\n\nYou mean the way that you are, here, on the internet, up in arms?",
">\n\nIm one person on reddit, theres no major backlash like there would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\nSee, what's happening here is that you are also looking at people who are \"one person on Reddit\" and pretending it's a major backlash. Andrew Tate says fucked up things about women all the time (in fact, it's kind of his whole schtick) and it's as much of a non-event as this is.",
">\n\nPlease link me to something fucked up hes said about women, and ill agree with you, two wrongs don't make a right.",
">\n\nHere's exhibit A.",
">\n\nSure I agree with you he has said fucked up stuff about women, it doesn't mean its okay to make a joke about small dick energy.\nDo you understand my point?",
">\n\nWe understand, it's just that your point is fucking stupid",
">\n\nYou have no idea what his point is, it's funny that people on this thread OP and others actually like Andrew Tate.\nIt proves that everyone is completely frothingly tribalistic with zero nuance.",
">\n\nIf someone is behaving insufferably, people are going to laugh at them for things that they wouldn’t find funny if it happened to someone they liked.\nFor example, is it funny when people go bankrupt? No. Would it be funny if someone like Andrew Tate went bankrupt after boasting about Bugattis and all of his mass wealth? Yes. This doesn’t mean people who would make fun of him for that are making fun of poverty or all people who lose their livelihoods, it would just be funny if it happened to that particular person. \nIn the same way, the idea that Tate does all the douchey, over the top macho things that he does in order to compensate for having a small penis is funny, whilst it not being funny to make fun of every person who has a small penis.",
">\n\nSubstitute fat. Is that ok?",
">\n\nDepends on what the fat person is doing. If the person is minding their own business then no, if the fat person is attacking other people’s appearances then yeah go for it.",
">\n\nInteresting take. Might want to play with that a bit. A lot of situations where your reasoning falls apart.",
">\n\nPeople insulted Trump for being fat when he tried to say he was like the most fit person ever. People make fun of Elon Musk's body. You can make the same type of insult to two different people and it come off two different ways. \nWhen you make your identity or argument around something it opens up certain insults and comebacks. \nTate's whole thing is trying to act like this \"alpha male\" when in reality he's a sex trafficking weirdo who pays women to hang out with him. It's totally fine to insult him with a childish insult. \nI also find that people worried or mad about this don't actually care about body image issues. They just want a gotcha moment for people. Because many would have shitty takes about fat people or whine about pc culture.",
">\n\nWhen you call some MF that doesn't necessarily mean you are a MF... I'm not saying it's okay to say abusing words but we still do use them.\nI don't think she said it in literal terms, it was completely literary. Also she only said it cause it was Tate who she said it to. Also if a woman has small tits and someone said to someone else that they have small tits energy, I don't think one who actually has small tits would mind it, cause she is not involved and it's kinda perfect way of irritating Tate.. cause he really cares about these things. \nWhen it comes to increasing the insecurity of someone who actually has small D and is insecure about it... She couldn't think so far cause all she wanted was to irritate Tate and she was successful",
">\n\nI don't think it even irritated him if that was her goal but definitely helped him with popularity. It just proves what he says people think of insecure men, it just moves them to him and he gains more influence. It was an ignorant reply in poor taste. Someone with much following and influence as Greta shouldn't be as irresponsible and the followers shouldn't be having to do mental gymnastics to defend her instead of seeing it as it is: body shaming against men.",
">\n\nIs this some kind of weird meta-game? Are Andrew Tate fans pretending to actually be offended by this stupid insult to prove a point? Does anybody actually think her retort was any sharper than a brick wrapped in a wet blanket?\nWhat is going on here?!",
">\n\n\nWhat is going on here?!\n\nAndrew Tate fans have a lot of small dick energy. That's whats going on.",
">\n\nWhy are people not allowed dislike tate (he's an absolute idiot and a grifter) and also to criticize obvious body shaming from a supposed progressive? If Biden started talking about \"N*gger energy\" criticizing Kanye for antisemitism, would that be ok in your eyes? Would you say that a black guy who doesn't like that must be an angry Kanye fan? Or is it disgustingly offensive towards all African Americans to use that type of language no matter what?",
">\n\nBecause it suits their narrative to frame it as if people are just defending tate. It's easier than just actually defending body shaming. Done deal.",
">\n\nI think Greta used that phrase not because she actually believes or wants to promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior, but because people like Andrew Tate believe and promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior. If Andrew Tate gets hurt because Greta says he has small dick energy, then maybe -- just maybe, with the tiniest bit of introspection -- he'll come to realize how hateful some of his language is.\nBullies like Andrew Tate don't really respond to logic or pleas for sympathy. The only way to maybe make them understand the hurt they cause is to inflict it on them, because they don't care about anyone but themselves. \nSo instead of putting the cart before the horse and blaming Greta for using an offensive phrase as an argumentative tactic, maybe blame the people who use the phrase to actually demean people.",
">\n\nCan we substitute fat instead and be justified?",
">\n\nYes people did that with Trump when he claimed to be the fittest person ever basically. If someone has a habit of insulting people a certain way or making certain claims then they open themselves up to specific insults. \nSometimes we'd find those insults not tasteful if said to other people. But I feel like most people equating this to fat insults don't actually care about fat people. A lot of people would also be like oh things are getting too pc or soft or woke when it comes to body positivity towards fat people. So for me it's hard to buy this line of reasoning as being truly valid or caring."
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"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult.",
">\n\nIt's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh.",
">\n\nHonestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV",
">\n\nPeople can make mistakes and this was one of them.. so we can all just criticize her reply fairly and move on. No need for acute mental gymnastics to defend her as this comments section is showing lmao.",
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">\n\nI don't think anyone is arguing it's not offensive. I'm pretty sure she was trying to offend insecure men. Apparently with great success.",
">\n\nShe was trying to offend men who were insecure about their body image?\nHow is that not body shaming?",
">\n\nIt is, but we playing the avoidance and rationalization game",
">\n\nbecause women invented \"small dick energy\"\nharsh, sad. but we go jim🗿",
">\n\nOP never mentioned women tho. Post is strictly about why it's offensive. Do you disagree that it's not offensive or you think it's a trivial matter to make fun of that men's mental health doesn't matter as much?",
">\n\nThe female equivalent is\n\"Loose Pussy Energy\".\nThe typical man-hate hypocrisy commonly going around is beyond obvious. And it is an attack on All men and boys not just some.",
">\n\nNot a disagreement per se, but also worth noting that it’s transphobic. Which is to say, it insults all men by reinforcing patriarchy and punching down to two groups of men.",
">\n\nShe said small dick energy. Not that he had a small dick (though, come on). She used that phrase BECAUSE it's Tate. She's not a moron.\nHe is, as evidenced by his life to this point and his two responses to Thunberg, which were epically pathetic, is a moron and didn't seem to get it, though he doesn't get a lot.",
">\n\nThis is worse than saying he has a small dick, because how would she know, and that would just be dismissed as stupid.\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\nI can't understand the mental gymnastics some people are doing to try and say this isn't body shaming.",
">\n\n\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\n\nI mean yeah -- kind of like how pussy is an insult denoting cowardice, cunt is an insult meaning basically, terrible, etc., \nShe used that on purpose. Are you making CMV every time you see someone calling someone else a pussy?",
">\n\nPussy is kind of already known to be a shitty gendered insult so it doesn't need a CMV. In this case, Greta's gendered \"having a small penis is bad\" tweet is massively amplified, reached r/all on a shitload of subs, etc. so some discussion about whether or not that is cool is warranted",
">\n\nSmall dick energy isn’t about having a small dick tho. It’s a reflection of an attitude that men who are offensive, aggressive, nasty to people are overcompensating for their insecurities. A small dick doesn’t mean you won’t be able to find a partner or that you’re any less of a man. Being a downright trash bag of a human to others, like in this instance where an internet edgelord is cyber bullying a teenager on the internet who is fighting for the survival of our planet/humanity is an example of this trash behavior, is more of a determining factor. \nYou can also have a small dick but have big dick energy, as it’s reflective of who you are as a person. It’s an attitude. It’s who you choose to be to yourself and others. Hell, there’s women who use the term that they have big dick energy and I can tell you those women’s dicks are none existent so therefore size isn’t a thing. \nNo one should be made fun of for something they had no control over. The worth of a man is not tied to the size of his penis. Although, toxic masculinity and shallow people will tell you different. They say the same for disabled people, fat people etc. There’s plenty of people who are not “conventional standards of beauty” which is the majority of us, that lead happy, healthy relationships. Those relationships start with yourself and understanding your worth as a person isn’t tied to what you look like or how big your junk is. \nThe point is if you choose to be a trash person like Tate, where your self worth is tied into how cruel/offensive you can be to other people, don’t be mad if people call you out for that trashy attitude. Your post definitely reeks of “men are the true victims” when clearly you didn’t seem to have a problem with a grown man cyber bullying a teenager.",
">\n\nI like how you imply that OP is a fan of a literal human trafficker because they point out that a body-shaming insult is body-shaming. Do you understand why associating a trait of someone's body with negative personality traits is bad?",
">\n\nNo because people like this always have exceptions that allow them to use the things they complain about. Cognitive gymnastics allows them to recognise shaming women and people of colour is bad, because society will eat them otherwise, but when someone shows up who deserves a bit of a roasting all of their social etiquette rules go out the window and the excuses come out as to why in this context it doesn't count.\n\"Ahh no, here it is a reflection of an attitude\" blah blah 3 paragraphs later and we've clouded over the simple fact that body shaming is body shaming and harms people you weren't intending to insult.",
">\n\nPeople like this? You’re assuming things about me because I am a character in your mind not a real person. I am not a monolith. We should not be body shaming people. I am explaining the other side of this issue and why people use these terms. You never asked if I use these same terms in my life. You assumed I do. I don’t. You didn’t even bother to read my response because if you did you would have realized this.",
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">\n\nYou can have smol pp but big pp energy and vice versa",
">\n\nSo why is the phrase small dick energy if it has nothing to do with having a small dick?",
">\n\nIdk man, I just work here.",
">\n\nYou know why. Lol cause small dick is associated with bad. And by insulting dicks you use this knowledge to offend, at the cost of body shaming people. \nStop feigning dumb just to avoid the reasoning lol",
">\n\nI can see how it would be offensive, and I wouldn’t use it myself. I feel like the phrase refers more to how someone acts as opposed to how they are endowed. And how it’s behavior and actions that make people think down of you not your penis.",
">\n\nPoint is that we, as a society, should encourage better insults that attack the comments of the person without necessarily having to equate it to something someone with a small dick.",
">\n\nWould you agree with me, that if Andrew clapped back with one of those that the internet would be up in arms about it?",
">\n\nYou mean the way that you are, here, on the internet, up in arms?",
">\n\nIm one person on reddit, theres no major backlash like there would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\nSee, what's happening here is that you are also looking at people who are \"one person on Reddit\" and pretending it's a major backlash. Andrew Tate says fucked up things about women all the time (in fact, it's kind of his whole schtick) and it's as much of a non-event as this is.",
">\n\nPlease link me to something fucked up hes said about women, and ill agree with you, two wrongs don't make a right.",
">\n\nHere's exhibit A.",
">\n\nSure I agree with you he has said fucked up stuff about women, it doesn't mean its okay to make a joke about small dick energy.\nDo you understand my point?",
">\n\nWe understand, it's just that your point is fucking stupid",
">\n\nYou have no idea what his point is, it's funny that people on this thread OP and others actually like Andrew Tate.\nIt proves that everyone is completely frothingly tribalistic with zero nuance.",
">\n\nIf someone is behaving insufferably, people are going to laugh at them for things that they wouldn’t find funny if it happened to someone they liked.\nFor example, is it funny when people go bankrupt? No. Would it be funny if someone like Andrew Tate went bankrupt after boasting about Bugattis and all of his mass wealth? Yes. This doesn’t mean people who would make fun of him for that are making fun of poverty or all people who lose their livelihoods, it would just be funny if it happened to that particular person. \nIn the same way, the idea that Tate does all the douchey, over the top macho things that he does in order to compensate for having a small penis is funny, whilst it not being funny to make fun of every person who has a small penis.",
">\n\nSubstitute fat. Is that ok?",
">\n\nDepends on what the fat person is doing. If the person is minding their own business then no, if the fat person is attacking other people’s appearances then yeah go for it.",
">\n\nInteresting take. Might want to play with that a bit. A lot of situations where your reasoning falls apart.",
">\n\nPeople insulted Trump for being fat when he tried to say he was like the most fit person ever. People make fun of Elon Musk's body. You can make the same type of insult to two different people and it come off two different ways. \nWhen you make your identity or argument around something it opens up certain insults and comebacks. \nTate's whole thing is trying to act like this \"alpha male\" when in reality he's a sex trafficking weirdo who pays women to hang out with him. It's totally fine to insult him with a childish insult. \nI also find that people worried or mad about this don't actually care about body image issues. They just want a gotcha moment for people. Because many would have shitty takes about fat people or whine about pc culture.",
">\n\nWhen you call some MF that doesn't necessarily mean you are a MF... I'm not saying it's okay to say abusing words but we still do use them.\nI don't think she said it in literal terms, it was completely literary. Also she only said it cause it was Tate who she said it to. Also if a woman has small tits and someone said to someone else that they have small tits energy, I don't think one who actually has small tits would mind it, cause she is not involved and it's kinda perfect way of irritating Tate.. cause he really cares about these things. \nWhen it comes to increasing the insecurity of someone who actually has small D and is insecure about it... She couldn't think so far cause all she wanted was to irritate Tate and she was successful",
">\n\nI don't think it even irritated him if that was her goal but definitely helped him with popularity. It just proves what he says people think of insecure men, it just moves them to him and he gains more influence. It was an ignorant reply in poor taste. Someone with much following and influence as Greta shouldn't be as irresponsible and the followers shouldn't be having to do mental gymnastics to defend her instead of seeing it as it is: body shaming against men.",
">\n\nIs this some kind of weird meta-game? Are Andrew Tate fans pretending to actually be offended by this stupid insult to prove a point? Does anybody actually think her retort was any sharper than a brick wrapped in a wet blanket?\nWhat is going on here?!",
">\n\n\nWhat is going on here?!\n\nAndrew Tate fans have a lot of small dick energy. That's whats going on.",
">\n\nWhy are people not allowed dislike tate (he's an absolute idiot and a grifter) and also to criticize obvious body shaming from a supposed progressive? If Biden started talking about \"N*gger energy\" criticizing Kanye for antisemitism, would that be ok in your eyes? Would you say that a black guy who doesn't like that must be an angry Kanye fan? Or is it disgustingly offensive towards all African Americans to use that type of language no matter what?",
">\n\nBecause it suits their narrative to frame it as if people are just defending tate. It's easier than just actually defending body shaming. Done deal.",
">\n\nI think Greta used that phrase not because she actually believes or wants to promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior, but because people like Andrew Tate believe and promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior. If Andrew Tate gets hurt because Greta says he has small dick energy, then maybe -- just maybe, with the tiniest bit of introspection -- he'll come to realize how hateful some of his language is.\nBullies like Andrew Tate don't really respond to logic or pleas for sympathy. The only way to maybe make them understand the hurt they cause is to inflict it on them, because they don't care about anyone but themselves. \nSo instead of putting the cart before the horse and blaming Greta for using an offensive phrase as an argumentative tactic, maybe blame the people who use the phrase to actually demean people.",
">\n\nCan we substitute fat instead and be justified?",
">\n\nYes people did that with Trump when he claimed to be the fittest person ever basically. If someone has a habit of insulting people a certain way or making certain claims then they open themselves up to specific insults. \nSometimes we'd find those insults not tasteful if said to other people. But I feel like most people equating this to fat insults don't actually care about fat people. A lot of people would also be like oh things are getting too pc or soft or woke when it comes to body positivity towards fat people. So for me it's hard to buy this line of reasoning as being truly valid or caring.",
">\n\nNo one said it has to be authentic caring. This sub is for exploring the intellectual arguments. Your perception of how authentic someone’s feelings towards fat people is basically irrelevant. Argue the point or don’t. Passing your authenticity test is a wierd standard to try to argue for."
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Yes, making insults is offensive. That's the point.
Insults that reference a body part are also offensive to people who are insecure about that body part. That's also kinda obvious.
What do you want your mind changed about here? I'm unclear about what you think can be discussed about an insult meant to be insulting. Are you arguing that this insult is especially wrong in some way?
How is this not just you soapboxing?
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"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult.",
">\n\nIt's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh.",
">\n\nHonestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV",
">\n\nPeople can make mistakes and this was one of them.. so we can all just criticize her reply fairly and move on. No need for acute mental gymnastics to defend her as this comments section is showing lmao.",
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">\n\nI don't think anyone is arguing it's not offensive. I'm pretty sure she was trying to offend insecure men. Apparently with great success.",
">\n\nShe was trying to offend men who were insecure about their body image?\nHow is that not body shaming?",
">\n\nIt is, but we playing the avoidance and rationalization game",
">\n\nbecause women invented \"small dick energy\"\nharsh, sad. but we go jim🗿",
">\n\nOP never mentioned women tho. Post is strictly about why it's offensive. Do you disagree that it's not offensive or you think it's a trivial matter to make fun of that men's mental health doesn't matter as much?",
">\n\nThe female equivalent is\n\"Loose Pussy Energy\".\nThe typical man-hate hypocrisy commonly going around is beyond obvious. And it is an attack on All men and boys not just some.",
">\n\nNot a disagreement per se, but also worth noting that it’s transphobic. Which is to say, it insults all men by reinforcing patriarchy and punching down to two groups of men.",
">\n\nShe said small dick energy. Not that he had a small dick (though, come on). She used that phrase BECAUSE it's Tate. She's not a moron.\nHe is, as evidenced by his life to this point and his two responses to Thunberg, which were epically pathetic, is a moron and didn't seem to get it, though he doesn't get a lot.",
">\n\nThis is worse than saying he has a small dick, because how would she know, and that would just be dismissed as stupid.\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\nI can't understand the mental gymnastics some people are doing to try and say this isn't body shaming.",
">\n\n\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\n\nI mean yeah -- kind of like how pussy is an insult denoting cowardice, cunt is an insult meaning basically, terrible, etc., \nShe used that on purpose. Are you making CMV every time you see someone calling someone else a pussy?",
">\n\nPussy is kind of already known to be a shitty gendered insult so it doesn't need a CMV. In this case, Greta's gendered \"having a small penis is bad\" tweet is massively amplified, reached r/all on a shitload of subs, etc. so some discussion about whether or not that is cool is warranted",
">\n\nSmall dick energy isn’t about having a small dick tho. It’s a reflection of an attitude that men who are offensive, aggressive, nasty to people are overcompensating for their insecurities. A small dick doesn’t mean you won’t be able to find a partner or that you’re any less of a man. Being a downright trash bag of a human to others, like in this instance where an internet edgelord is cyber bullying a teenager on the internet who is fighting for the survival of our planet/humanity is an example of this trash behavior, is more of a determining factor. \nYou can also have a small dick but have big dick energy, as it’s reflective of who you are as a person. It’s an attitude. It’s who you choose to be to yourself and others. Hell, there’s women who use the term that they have big dick energy and I can tell you those women’s dicks are none existent so therefore size isn’t a thing. \nNo one should be made fun of for something they had no control over. The worth of a man is not tied to the size of his penis. Although, toxic masculinity and shallow people will tell you different. They say the same for disabled people, fat people etc. There’s plenty of people who are not “conventional standards of beauty” which is the majority of us, that lead happy, healthy relationships. Those relationships start with yourself and understanding your worth as a person isn’t tied to what you look like or how big your junk is. \nThe point is if you choose to be a trash person like Tate, where your self worth is tied into how cruel/offensive you can be to other people, don’t be mad if people call you out for that trashy attitude. Your post definitely reeks of “men are the true victims” when clearly you didn’t seem to have a problem with a grown man cyber bullying a teenager.",
">\n\nI like how you imply that OP is a fan of a literal human trafficker because they point out that a body-shaming insult is body-shaming. Do you understand why associating a trait of someone's body with negative personality traits is bad?",
">\n\nNo because people like this always have exceptions that allow them to use the things they complain about. Cognitive gymnastics allows them to recognise shaming women and people of colour is bad, because society will eat them otherwise, but when someone shows up who deserves a bit of a roasting all of their social etiquette rules go out the window and the excuses come out as to why in this context it doesn't count.\n\"Ahh no, here it is a reflection of an attitude\" blah blah 3 paragraphs later and we've clouded over the simple fact that body shaming is body shaming and harms people you weren't intending to insult.",
">\n\nPeople like this? You’re assuming things about me because I am a character in your mind not a real person. I am not a monolith. We should not be body shaming people. I am explaining the other side of this issue and why people use these terms. You never asked if I use these same terms in my life. You assumed I do. I don’t. You didn’t even bother to read my response because if you did you would have realized this.",
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">\n\nYou can have smol pp but big pp energy and vice versa",
">\n\nSo why is the phrase small dick energy if it has nothing to do with having a small dick?",
">\n\nIdk man, I just work here.",
">\n\nYou know why. Lol cause small dick is associated with bad. And by insulting dicks you use this knowledge to offend, at the cost of body shaming people. \nStop feigning dumb just to avoid the reasoning lol",
">\n\nI can see how it would be offensive, and I wouldn’t use it myself. I feel like the phrase refers more to how someone acts as opposed to how they are endowed. And how it’s behavior and actions that make people think down of you not your penis.",
">\n\nPoint is that we, as a society, should encourage better insults that attack the comments of the person without necessarily having to equate it to something someone with a small dick.",
">\n\nWould you agree with me, that if Andrew clapped back with one of those that the internet would be up in arms about it?",
">\n\nYou mean the way that you are, here, on the internet, up in arms?",
">\n\nIm one person on reddit, theres no major backlash like there would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\nSee, what's happening here is that you are also looking at people who are \"one person on Reddit\" and pretending it's a major backlash. Andrew Tate says fucked up things about women all the time (in fact, it's kind of his whole schtick) and it's as much of a non-event as this is.",
">\n\nPlease link me to something fucked up hes said about women, and ill agree with you, two wrongs don't make a right.",
">\n\nHere's exhibit A.",
">\n\nSure I agree with you he has said fucked up stuff about women, it doesn't mean its okay to make a joke about small dick energy.\nDo you understand my point?",
">\n\nWe understand, it's just that your point is fucking stupid",
">\n\nYou have no idea what his point is, it's funny that people on this thread OP and others actually like Andrew Tate.\nIt proves that everyone is completely frothingly tribalistic with zero nuance.",
">\n\nIf someone is behaving insufferably, people are going to laugh at them for things that they wouldn’t find funny if it happened to someone they liked.\nFor example, is it funny when people go bankrupt? No. Would it be funny if someone like Andrew Tate went bankrupt after boasting about Bugattis and all of his mass wealth? Yes. This doesn’t mean people who would make fun of him for that are making fun of poverty or all people who lose their livelihoods, it would just be funny if it happened to that particular person. \nIn the same way, the idea that Tate does all the douchey, over the top macho things that he does in order to compensate for having a small penis is funny, whilst it not being funny to make fun of every person who has a small penis.",
">\n\nSubstitute fat. Is that ok?",
">\n\nDepends on what the fat person is doing. If the person is minding their own business then no, if the fat person is attacking other people’s appearances then yeah go for it.",
">\n\nInteresting take. Might want to play with that a bit. A lot of situations where your reasoning falls apart.",
">\n\nPeople insulted Trump for being fat when he tried to say he was like the most fit person ever. People make fun of Elon Musk's body. You can make the same type of insult to two different people and it come off two different ways. \nWhen you make your identity or argument around something it opens up certain insults and comebacks. \nTate's whole thing is trying to act like this \"alpha male\" when in reality he's a sex trafficking weirdo who pays women to hang out with him. It's totally fine to insult him with a childish insult. \nI also find that people worried or mad about this don't actually care about body image issues. They just want a gotcha moment for people. Because many would have shitty takes about fat people or whine about pc culture.",
">\n\nWhen you call some MF that doesn't necessarily mean you are a MF... I'm not saying it's okay to say abusing words but we still do use them.\nI don't think she said it in literal terms, it was completely literary. Also she only said it cause it was Tate who she said it to. Also if a woman has small tits and someone said to someone else that they have small tits energy, I don't think one who actually has small tits would mind it, cause she is not involved and it's kinda perfect way of irritating Tate.. cause he really cares about these things. \nWhen it comes to increasing the insecurity of someone who actually has small D and is insecure about it... She couldn't think so far cause all she wanted was to irritate Tate and she was successful",
">\n\nI don't think it even irritated him if that was her goal but definitely helped him with popularity. It just proves what he says people think of insecure men, it just moves them to him and he gains more influence. It was an ignorant reply in poor taste. Someone with much following and influence as Greta shouldn't be as irresponsible and the followers shouldn't be having to do mental gymnastics to defend her instead of seeing it as it is: body shaming against men.",
">\n\nIs this some kind of weird meta-game? Are Andrew Tate fans pretending to actually be offended by this stupid insult to prove a point? Does anybody actually think her retort was any sharper than a brick wrapped in a wet blanket?\nWhat is going on here?!",
">\n\n\nWhat is going on here?!\n\nAndrew Tate fans have a lot of small dick energy. That's whats going on.",
">\n\nWhy are people not allowed dislike tate (he's an absolute idiot and a grifter) and also to criticize obvious body shaming from a supposed progressive? If Biden started talking about \"N*gger energy\" criticizing Kanye for antisemitism, would that be ok in your eyes? Would you say that a black guy who doesn't like that must be an angry Kanye fan? Or is it disgustingly offensive towards all African Americans to use that type of language no matter what?",
">\n\nBecause it suits their narrative to frame it as if people are just defending tate. It's easier than just actually defending body shaming. Done deal.",
">\n\nI think Greta used that phrase not because she actually believes or wants to promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior, but because people like Andrew Tate believe and promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior. If Andrew Tate gets hurt because Greta says he has small dick energy, then maybe -- just maybe, with the tiniest bit of introspection -- he'll come to realize how hateful some of his language is.\nBullies like Andrew Tate don't really respond to logic or pleas for sympathy. The only way to maybe make them understand the hurt they cause is to inflict it on them, because they don't care about anyone but themselves. \nSo instead of putting the cart before the horse and blaming Greta for using an offensive phrase as an argumentative tactic, maybe blame the people who use the phrase to actually demean people.",
">\n\nCan we substitute fat instead and be justified?",
">\n\nYes people did that with Trump when he claimed to be the fittest person ever basically. If someone has a habit of insulting people a certain way or making certain claims then they open themselves up to specific insults. \nSometimes we'd find those insults not tasteful if said to other people. But I feel like most people equating this to fat insults don't actually care about fat people. A lot of people would also be like oh things are getting too pc or soft or woke when it comes to body positivity towards fat people. So for me it's hard to buy this line of reasoning as being truly valid or caring.",
">\n\nNo one said it has to be authentic caring. This sub is for exploring the intellectual arguments. Your perception of how authentic someone’s feelings towards fat people is basically irrelevant. Argue the point or don’t. Passing your authenticity test is a wierd standard to try to argue for.",
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There's a reason as a society we don't use insults like "retard". This is in the same vein. You're attributing a negative thing with a man having a small penis. This is harmful as it perpetuates the stigma surrounding penis size which is outside ones control. Essentially it degrades a group of people who have nothing to do with it. OP wants to know whether or not this is reconciled. Reading the comments... It has not been.
Making gendered insults doesn't bother me truthfully but I can understand the frustration OP is expressing because were it to be a man making some edgy reference to a woman's lady parts being inadequate as a way to demean them then everyone would be outraged as opposed to cheering it on.
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"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult.",
">\n\nIt's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh.",
">\n\nHonestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV",
">\n\nPeople can make mistakes and this was one of them.. so we can all just criticize her reply fairly and move on. No need for acute mental gymnastics to defend her as this comments section is showing lmao.",
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">\n\nI don't think anyone is arguing it's not offensive. I'm pretty sure she was trying to offend insecure men. Apparently with great success.",
">\n\nShe was trying to offend men who were insecure about their body image?\nHow is that not body shaming?",
">\n\nIt is, but we playing the avoidance and rationalization game",
">\n\nbecause women invented \"small dick energy\"\nharsh, sad. but we go jim🗿",
">\n\nOP never mentioned women tho. Post is strictly about why it's offensive. Do you disagree that it's not offensive or you think it's a trivial matter to make fun of that men's mental health doesn't matter as much?",
">\n\nThe female equivalent is\n\"Loose Pussy Energy\".\nThe typical man-hate hypocrisy commonly going around is beyond obvious. And it is an attack on All men and boys not just some.",
">\n\nNot a disagreement per se, but also worth noting that it’s transphobic. Which is to say, it insults all men by reinforcing patriarchy and punching down to two groups of men.",
">\n\nShe said small dick energy. Not that he had a small dick (though, come on). She used that phrase BECAUSE it's Tate. She's not a moron.\nHe is, as evidenced by his life to this point and his two responses to Thunberg, which were epically pathetic, is a moron and didn't seem to get it, though he doesn't get a lot.",
">\n\nThis is worse than saying he has a small dick, because how would she know, and that would just be dismissed as stupid.\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\nI can't understand the mental gymnastics some people are doing to try and say this isn't body shaming.",
">\n\n\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\n\nI mean yeah -- kind of like how pussy is an insult denoting cowardice, cunt is an insult meaning basically, terrible, etc., \nShe used that on purpose. Are you making CMV every time you see someone calling someone else a pussy?",
">\n\nPussy is kind of already known to be a shitty gendered insult so it doesn't need a CMV. In this case, Greta's gendered \"having a small penis is bad\" tweet is massively amplified, reached r/all on a shitload of subs, etc. so some discussion about whether or not that is cool is warranted",
">\n\nSmall dick energy isn’t about having a small dick tho. It’s a reflection of an attitude that men who are offensive, aggressive, nasty to people are overcompensating for their insecurities. A small dick doesn’t mean you won’t be able to find a partner or that you’re any less of a man. Being a downright trash bag of a human to others, like in this instance where an internet edgelord is cyber bullying a teenager on the internet who is fighting for the survival of our planet/humanity is an example of this trash behavior, is more of a determining factor. \nYou can also have a small dick but have big dick energy, as it’s reflective of who you are as a person. It’s an attitude. It’s who you choose to be to yourself and others. Hell, there’s women who use the term that they have big dick energy and I can tell you those women’s dicks are none existent so therefore size isn’t a thing. \nNo one should be made fun of for something they had no control over. The worth of a man is not tied to the size of his penis. Although, toxic masculinity and shallow people will tell you different. They say the same for disabled people, fat people etc. There’s plenty of people who are not “conventional standards of beauty” which is the majority of us, that lead happy, healthy relationships. Those relationships start with yourself and understanding your worth as a person isn’t tied to what you look like or how big your junk is. \nThe point is if you choose to be a trash person like Tate, where your self worth is tied into how cruel/offensive you can be to other people, don’t be mad if people call you out for that trashy attitude. Your post definitely reeks of “men are the true victims” when clearly you didn’t seem to have a problem with a grown man cyber bullying a teenager.",
">\n\nI like how you imply that OP is a fan of a literal human trafficker because they point out that a body-shaming insult is body-shaming. Do you understand why associating a trait of someone's body with negative personality traits is bad?",
">\n\nNo because people like this always have exceptions that allow them to use the things they complain about. Cognitive gymnastics allows them to recognise shaming women and people of colour is bad, because society will eat them otherwise, but when someone shows up who deserves a bit of a roasting all of their social etiquette rules go out the window and the excuses come out as to why in this context it doesn't count.\n\"Ahh no, here it is a reflection of an attitude\" blah blah 3 paragraphs later and we've clouded over the simple fact that body shaming is body shaming and harms people you weren't intending to insult.",
">\n\nPeople like this? You’re assuming things about me because I am a character in your mind not a real person. I am not a monolith. We should not be body shaming people. I am explaining the other side of this issue and why people use these terms. You never asked if I use these same terms in my life. You assumed I do. I don’t. You didn’t even bother to read my response because if you did you would have realized this.",
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">\n\nYou can have smol pp but big pp energy and vice versa",
">\n\nSo why is the phrase small dick energy if it has nothing to do with having a small dick?",
">\n\nIdk man, I just work here.",
">\n\nYou know why. Lol cause small dick is associated with bad. And by insulting dicks you use this knowledge to offend, at the cost of body shaming people. \nStop feigning dumb just to avoid the reasoning lol",
">\n\nI can see how it would be offensive, and I wouldn’t use it myself. I feel like the phrase refers more to how someone acts as opposed to how they are endowed. And how it’s behavior and actions that make people think down of you not your penis.",
">\n\nPoint is that we, as a society, should encourage better insults that attack the comments of the person without necessarily having to equate it to something someone with a small dick.",
">\n\nWould you agree with me, that if Andrew clapped back with one of those that the internet would be up in arms about it?",
">\n\nYou mean the way that you are, here, on the internet, up in arms?",
">\n\nIm one person on reddit, theres no major backlash like there would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\nSee, what's happening here is that you are also looking at people who are \"one person on Reddit\" and pretending it's a major backlash. Andrew Tate says fucked up things about women all the time (in fact, it's kind of his whole schtick) and it's as much of a non-event as this is.",
">\n\nPlease link me to something fucked up hes said about women, and ill agree with you, two wrongs don't make a right.",
">\n\nHere's exhibit A.",
">\n\nSure I agree with you he has said fucked up stuff about women, it doesn't mean its okay to make a joke about small dick energy.\nDo you understand my point?",
">\n\nWe understand, it's just that your point is fucking stupid",
">\n\nYou have no idea what his point is, it's funny that people on this thread OP and others actually like Andrew Tate.\nIt proves that everyone is completely frothingly tribalistic with zero nuance.",
">\n\nIf someone is behaving insufferably, people are going to laugh at them for things that they wouldn’t find funny if it happened to someone they liked.\nFor example, is it funny when people go bankrupt? No. Would it be funny if someone like Andrew Tate went bankrupt after boasting about Bugattis and all of his mass wealth? Yes. This doesn’t mean people who would make fun of him for that are making fun of poverty or all people who lose their livelihoods, it would just be funny if it happened to that particular person. \nIn the same way, the idea that Tate does all the douchey, over the top macho things that he does in order to compensate for having a small penis is funny, whilst it not being funny to make fun of every person who has a small penis.",
">\n\nSubstitute fat. Is that ok?",
">\n\nDepends on what the fat person is doing. If the person is minding their own business then no, if the fat person is attacking other people’s appearances then yeah go for it.",
">\n\nInteresting take. Might want to play with that a bit. A lot of situations where your reasoning falls apart.",
">\n\nPeople insulted Trump for being fat when he tried to say he was like the most fit person ever. People make fun of Elon Musk's body. You can make the same type of insult to two different people and it come off two different ways. \nWhen you make your identity or argument around something it opens up certain insults and comebacks. \nTate's whole thing is trying to act like this \"alpha male\" when in reality he's a sex trafficking weirdo who pays women to hang out with him. It's totally fine to insult him with a childish insult. \nI also find that people worried or mad about this don't actually care about body image issues. They just want a gotcha moment for people. Because many would have shitty takes about fat people or whine about pc culture.",
">\n\nWhen you call some MF that doesn't necessarily mean you are a MF... I'm not saying it's okay to say abusing words but we still do use them.\nI don't think she said it in literal terms, it was completely literary. Also she only said it cause it was Tate who she said it to. Also if a woman has small tits and someone said to someone else that they have small tits energy, I don't think one who actually has small tits would mind it, cause she is not involved and it's kinda perfect way of irritating Tate.. cause he really cares about these things. \nWhen it comes to increasing the insecurity of someone who actually has small D and is insecure about it... She couldn't think so far cause all she wanted was to irritate Tate and she was successful",
">\n\nI don't think it even irritated him if that was her goal but definitely helped him with popularity. It just proves what he says people think of insecure men, it just moves them to him and he gains more influence. It was an ignorant reply in poor taste. Someone with much following and influence as Greta shouldn't be as irresponsible and the followers shouldn't be having to do mental gymnastics to defend her instead of seeing it as it is: body shaming against men.",
">\n\nIs this some kind of weird meta-game? Are Andrew Tate fans pretending to actually be offended by this stupid insult to prove a point? Does anybody actually think her retort was any sharper than a brick wrapped in a wet blanket?\nWhat is going on here?!",
">\n\n\nWhat is going on here?!\n\nAndrew Tate fans have a lot of small dick energy. That's whats going on.",
">\n\nWhy are people not allowed dislike tate (he's an absolute idiot and a grifter) and also to criticize obvious body shaming from a supposed progressive? If Biden started talking about \"N*gger energy\" criticizing Kanye for antisemitism, would that be ok in your eyes? Would you say that a black guy who doesn't like that must be an angry Kanye fan? Or is it disgustingly offensive towards all African Americans to use that type of language no matter what?",
">\n\nBecause it suits their narrative to frame it as if people are just defending tate. It's easier than just actually defending body shaming. Done deal.",
">\n\nI think Greta used that phrase not because she actually believes or wants to promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior, but because people like Andrew Tate believe and promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior. If Andrew Tate gets hurt because Greta says he has small dick energy, then maybe -- just maybe, with the tiniest bit of introspection -- he'll come to realize how hateful some of his language is.\nBullies like Andrew Tate don't really respond to logic or pleas for sympathy. The only way to maybe make them understand the hurt they cause is to inflict it on them, because they don't care about anyone but themselves. \nSo instead of putting the cart before the horse and blaming Greta for using an offensive phrase as an argumentative tactic, maybe blame the people who use the phrase to actually demean people.",
">\n\nCan we substitute fat instead and be justified?",
">\n\nYes people did that with Trump when he claimed to be the fittest person ever basically. If someone has a habit of insulting people a certain way or making certain claims then they open themselves up to specific insults. \nSometimes we'd find those insults not tasteful if said to other people. But I feel like most people equating this to fat insults don't actually care about fat people. A lot of people would also be like oh things are getting too pc or soft or woke when it comes to body positivity towards fat people. So for me it's hard to buy this line of reasoning as being truly valid or caring.",
">\n\nNo one said it has to be authentic caring. This sub is for exploring the intellectual arguments. Your perception of how authentic someone’s feelings towards fat people is basically irrelevant. Argue the point or don’t. Passing your authenticity test is a wierd standard to try to argue for.",
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">\n\nYes, making insults is offensive. That's the point.\nInsults that reference a body part are also offensive to people who are insecure about that body part. That's also kinda obvious.\nWhat do you want your mind changed about here? I'm unclear about what you think can be discussed about an insult meant to be insulting. Are you arguing that this insult is especially wrong in some way?\nHow is this not just you soapboxing?"
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Using “small dick” as an insult, or “loose pussy” isn’t really offensive unless you are insecure about the physical viability of your reproductive organs.
But, that doesn’t make it funny. It’s a really juvenile and uncreative way of ridiculing someone.
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"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult.",
">\n\nIt's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh.",
">\n\nHonestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV",
">\n\nPeople can make mistakes and this was one of them.. so we can all just criticize her reply fairly and move on. No need for acute mental gymnastics to defend her as this comments section is showing lmao.",
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">\n\nI don't think anyone is arguing it's not offensive. I'm pretty sure she was trying to offend insecure men. Apparently with great success.",
">\n\nShe was trying to offend men who were insecure about their body image?\nHow is that not body shaming?",
">\n\nIt is, but we playing the avoidance and rationalization game",
">\n\nbecause women invented \"small dick energy\"\nharsh, sad. but we go jim🗿",
">\n\nOP never mentioned women tho. Post is strictly about why it's offensive. Do you disagree that it's not offensive or you think it's a trivial matter to make fun of that men's mental health doesn't matter as much?",
">\n\nThe female equivalent is\n\"Loose Pussy Energy\".\nThe typical man-hate hypocrisy commonly going around is beyond obvious. And it is an attack on All men and boys not just some.",
">\n\nNot a disagreement per se, but also worth noting that it’s transphobic. Which is to say, it insults all men by reinforcing patriarchy and punching down to two groups of men.",
">\n\nShe said small dick energy. Not that he had a small dick (though, come on). She used that phrase BECAUSE it's Tate. She's not a moron.\nHe is, as evidenced by his life to this point and his two responses to Thunberg, which were epically pathetic, is a moron and didn't seem to get it, though he doesn't get a lot.",
">\n\nThis is worse than saying he has a small dick, because how would she know, and that would just be dismissed as stupid.\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\nI can't understand the mental gymnastics some people are doing to try and say this isn't body shaming.",
">\n\n\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\n\nI mean yeah -- kind of like how pussy is an insult denoting cowardice, cunt is an insult meaning basically, terrible, etc., \nShe used that on purpose. Are you making CMV every time you see someone calling someone else a pussy?",
">\n\nPussy is kind of already known to be a shitty gendered insult so it doesn't need a CMV. In this case, Greta's gendered \"having a small penis is bad\" tweet is massively amplified, reached r/all on a shitload of subs, etc. so some discussion about whether or not that is cool is warranted",
">\n\nSmall dick energy isn’t about having a small dick tho. It’s a reflection of an attitude that men who are offensive, aggressive, nasty to people are overcompensating for their insecurities. A small dick doesn’t mean you won’t be able to find a partner or that you’re any less of a man. Being a downright trash bag of a human to others, like in this instance where an internet edgelord is cyber bullying a teenager on the internet who is fighting for the survival of our planet/humanity is an example of this trash behavior, is more of a determining factor. \nYou can also have a small dick but have big dick energy, as it’s reflective of who you are as a person. It’s an attitude. It’s who you choose to be to yourself and others. Hell, there’s women who use the term that they have big dick energy and I can tell you those women’s dicks are none existent so therefore size isn’t a thing. \nNo one should be made fun of for something they had no control over. The worth of a man is not tied to the size of his penis. Although, toxic masculinity and shallow people will tell you different. They say the same for disabled people, fat people etc. There’s plenty of people who are not “conventional standards of beauty” which is the majority of us, that lead happy, healthy relationships. Those relationships start with yourself and understanding your worth as a person isn’t tied to what you look like or how big your junk is. \nThe point is if you choose to be a trash person like Tate, where your self worth is tied into how cruel/offensive you can be to other people, don’t be mad if people call you out for that trashy attitude. Your post definitely reeks of “men are the true victims” when clearly you didn’t seem to have a problem with a grown man cyber bullying a teenager.",
">\n\nI like how you imply that OP is a fan of a literal human trafficker because they point out that a body-shaming insult is body-shaming. Do you understand why associating a trait of someone's body with negative personality traits is bad?",
">\n\nNo because people like this always have exceptions that allow them to use the things they complain about. Cognitive gymnastics allows them to recognise shaming women and people of colour is bad, because society will eat them otherwise, but when someone shows up who deserves a bit of a roasting all of their social etiquette rules go out the window and the excuses come out as to why in this context it doesn't count.\n\"Ahh no, here it is a reflection of an attitude\" blah blah 3 paragraphs later and we've clouded over the simple fact that body shaming is body shaming and harms people you weren't intending to insult.",
">\n\nPeople like this? You’re assuming things about me because I am a character in your mind not a real person. I am not a monolith. We should not be body shaming people. I am explaining the other side of this issue and why people use these terms. You never asked if I use these same terms in my life. You assumed I do. I don’t. You didn’t even bother to read my response because if you did you would have realized this.",
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">\n\nYou can have smol pp but big pp energy and vice versa",
">\n\nSo why is the phrase small dick energy if it has nothing to do with having a small dick?",
">\n\nIdk man, I just work here.",
">\n\nYou know why. Lol cause small dick is associated with bad. And by insulting dicks you use this knowledge to offend, at the cost of body shaming people. \nStop feigning dumb just to avoid the reasoning lol",
">\n\nI can see how it would be offensive, and I wouldn’t use it myself. I feel like the phrase refers more to how someone acts as opposed to how they are endowed. And how it’s behavior and actions that make people think down of you not your penis.",
">\n\nPoint is that we, as a society, should encourage better insults that attack the comments of the person without necessarily having to equate it to something someone with a small dick.",
">\n\nWould you agree with me, that if Andrew clapped back with one of those that the internet would be up in arms about it?",
">\n\nYou mean the way that you are, here, on the internet, up in arms?",
">\n\nIm one person on reddit, theres no major backlash like there would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\nSee, what's happening here is that you are also looking at people who are \"one person on Reddit\" and pretending it's a major backlash. Andrew Tate says fucked up things about women all the time (in fact, it's kind of his whole schtick) and it's as much of a non-event as this is.",
">\n\nPlease link me to something fucked up hes said about women, and ill agree with you, two wrongs don't make a right.",
">\n\nHere's exhibit A.",
">\n\nSure I agree with you he has said fucked up stuff about women, it doesn't mean its okay to make a joke about small dick energy.\nDo you understand my point?",
">\n\nWe understand, it's just that your point is fucking stupid",
">\n\nYou have no idea what his point is, it's funny that people on this thread OP and others actually like Andrew Tate.\nIt proves that everyone is completely frothingly tribalistic with zero nuance.",
">\n\nIf someone is behaving insufferably, people are going to laugh at them for things that they wouldn’t find funny if it happened to someone they liked.\nFor example, is it funny when people go bankrupt? No. Would it be funny if someone like Andrew Tate went bankrupt after boasting about Bugattis and all of his mass wealth? Yes. This doesn’t mean people who would make fun of him for that are making fun of poverty or all people who lose their livelihoods, it would just be funny if it happened to that particular person. \nIn the same way, the idea that Tate does all the douchey, over the top macho things that he does in order to compensate for having a small penis is funny, whilst it not being funny to make fun of every person who has a small penis.",
">\n\nSubstitute fat. Is that ok?",
">\n\nDepends on what the fat person is doing. If the person is minding their own business then no, if the fat person is attacking other people’s appearances then yeah go for it.",
">\n\nInteresting take. Might want to play with that a bit. A lot of situations where your reasoning falls apart.",
">\n\nPeople insulted Trump for being fat when he tried to say he was like the most fit person ever. People make fun of Elon Musk's body. You can make the same type of insult to two different people and it come off two different ways. \nWhen you make your identity or argument around something it opens up certain insults and comebacks. \nTate's whole thing is trying to act like this \"alpha male\" when in reality he's a sex trafficking weirdo who pays women to hang out with him. It's totally fine to insult him with a childish insult. \nI also find that people worried or mad about this don't actually care about body image issues. They just want a gotcha moment for people. Because many would have shitty takes about fat people or whine about pc culture.",
">\n\nWhen you call some MF that doesn't necessarily mean you are a MF... I'm not saying it's okay to say abusing words but we still do use them.\nI don't think she said it in literal terms, it was completely literary. Also she only said it cause it was Tate who she said it to. Also if a woman has small tits and someone said to someone else that they have small tits energy, I don't think one who actually has small tits would mind it, cause she is not involved and it's kinda perfect way of irritating Tate.. cause he really cares about these things. \nWhen it comes to increasing the insecurity of someone who actually has small D and is insecure about it... She couldn't think so far cause all she wanted was to irritate Tate and she was successful",
">\n\nI don't think it even irritated him if that was her goal but definitely helped him with popularity. It just proves what he says people think of insecure men, it just moves them to him and he gains more influence. It was an ignorant reply in poor taste. Someone with much following and influence as Greta shouldn't be as irresponsible and the followers shouldn't be having to do mental gymnastics to defend her instead of seeing it as it is: body shaming against men.",
">\n\nIs this some kind of weird meta-game? Are Andrew Tate fans pretending to actually be offended by this stupid insult to prove a point? Does anybody actually think her retort was any sharper than a brick wrapped in a wet blanket?\nWhat is going on here?!",
">\n\n\nWhat is going on here?!\n\nAndrew Tate fans have a lot of small dick energy. That's whats going on.",
">\n\nWhy are people not allowed dislike tate (he's an absolute idiot and a grifter) and also to criticize obvious body shaming from a supposed progressive? If Biden started talking about \"N*gger energy\" criticizing Kanye for antisemitism, would that be ok in your eyes? Would you say that a black guy who doesn't like that must be an angry Kanye fan? Or is it disgustingly offensive towards all African Americans to use that type of language no matter what?",
">\n\nBecause it suits their narrative to frame it as if people are just defending tate. It's easier than just actually defending body shaming. Done deal.",
">\n\nI think Greta used that phrase not because she actually believes or wants to promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior, but because people like Andrew Tate believe and promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior. If Andrew Tate gets hurt because Greta says he has small dick energy, then maybe -- just maybe, with the tiniest bit of introspection -- he'll come to realize how hateful some of his language is.\nBullies like Andrew Tate don't really respond to logic or pleas for sympathy. The only way to maybe make them understand the hurt they cause is to inflict it on them, because they don't care about anyone but themselves. \nSo instead of putting the cart before the horse and blaming Greta for using an offensive phrase as an argumentative tactic, maybe blame the people who use the phrase to actually demean people.",
">\n\nCan we substitute fat instead and be justified?",
">\n\nYes people did that with Trump when he claimed to be the fittest person ever basically. If someone has a habit of insulting people a certain way or making certain claims then they open themselves up to specific insults. \nSometimes we'd find those insults not tasteful if said to other people. But I feel like most people equating this to fat insults don't actually care about fat people. A lot of people would also be like oh things are getting too pc or soft or woke when it comes to body positivity towards fat people. So for me it's hard to buy this line of reasoning as being truly valid or caring.",
">\n\nNo one said it has to be authentic caring. This sub is for exploring the intellectual arguments. Your perception of how authentic someone’s feelings towards fat people is basically irrelevant. Argue the point or don’t. Passing your authenticity test is a wierd standard to try to argue for.",
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">\n\nYes, making insults is offensive. That's the point.\nInsults that reference a body part are also offensive to people who are insecure about that body part. That's also kinda obvious.\nWhat do you want your mind changed about here? I'm unclear about what you think can be discussed about an insult meant to be insulting. Are you arguing that this insult is especially wrong in some way?\nHow is this not just you soapboxing?",
">\n\nThere's a reason as a society we don't use insults like \"retard\". This is in the same vein. You're attributing a negative thing with a man having a small penis. This is harmful as it perpetuates the stigma surrounding penis size which is outside ones control. Essentially it degrades a group of people who have nothing to do with it. OP wants to know whether or not this is reconciled. Reading the comments... It has not been. \nMaking gendered insults doesn't bother me truthfully but I can understand the frustration OP is expressing because were it to be a man making some edgy reference to a woman's lady parts being inadequate as a way to demean them then everyone would be outraged as opposed to cheering it on."
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Insecure women are offended when they're fat shamed.
It's still body shaming.
It's still wrong.
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"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult.",
">\n\nIt's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh.",
">\n\nHonestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV",
">\n\nPeople can make mistakes and this was one of them.. so we can all just criticize her reply fairly and move on. No need for acute mental gymnastics to defend her as this comments section is showing lmao.",
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">\n\nI don't think anyone is arguing it's not offensive. I'm pretty sure she was trying to offend insecure men. Apparently with great success.",
">\n\nShe was trying to offend men who were insecure about their body image?\nHow is that not body shaming?",
">\n\nIt is, but we playing the avoidance and rationalization game",
">\n\nbecause women invented \"small dick energy\"\nharsh, sad. but we go jim🗿",
">\n\nOP never mentioned women tho. Post is strictly about why it's offensive. Do you disagree that it's not offensive or you think it's a trivial matter to make fun of that men's mental health doesn't matter as much?",
">\n\nThe female equivalent is\n\"Loose Pussy Energy\".\nThe typical man-hate hypocrisy commonly going around is beyond obvious. And it is an attack on All men and boys not just some.",
">\n\nNot a disagreement per se, but also worth noting that it’s transphobic. Which is to say, it insults all men by reinforcing patriarchy and punching down to two groups of men.",
">\n\nShe said small dick energy. Not that he had a small dick (though, come on). She used that phrase BECAUSE it's Tate. She's not a moron.\nHe is, as evidenced by his life to this point and his two responses to Thunberg, which were epically pathetic, is a moron and didn't seem to get it, though he doesn't get a lot.",
">\n\nThis is worse than saying he has a small dick, because how would she know, and that would just be dismissed as stupid.\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\nI can't understand the mental gymnastics some people are doing to try and say this isn't body shaming.",
">\n\n\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\n\nI mean yeah -- kind of like how pussy is an insult denoting cowardice, cunt is an insult meaning basically, terrible, etc., \nShe used that on purpose. Are you making CMV every time you see someone calling someone else a pussy?",
">\n\nPussy is kind of already known to be a shitty gendered insult so it doesn't need a CMV. In this case, Greta's gendered \"having a small penis is bad\" tweet is massively amplified, reached r/all on a shitload of subs, etc. so some discussion about whether or not that is cool is warranted",
">\n\nSmall dick energy isn’t about having a small dick tho. It’s a reflection of an attitude that men who are offensive, aggressive, nasty to people are overcompensating for their insecurities. A small dick doesn’t mean you won’t be able to find a partner or that you’re any less of a man. Being a downright trash bag of a human to others, like in this instance where an internet edgelord is cyber bullying a teenager on the internet who is fighting for the survival of our planet/humanity is an example of this trash behavior, is more of a determining factor. \nYou can also have a small dick but have big dick energy, as it’s reflective of who you are as a person. It’s an attitude. It’s who you choose to be to yourself and others. Hell, there’s women who use the term that they have big dick energy and I can tell you those women’s dicks are none existent so therefore size isn’t a thing. \nNo one should be made fun of for something they had no control over. The worth of a man is not tied to the size of his penis. Although, toxic masculinity and shallow people will tell you different. They say the same for disabled people, fat people etc. There’s plenty of people who are not “conventional standards of beauty” which is the majority of us, that lead happy, healthy relationships. Those relationships start with yourself and understanding your worth as a person isn’t tied to what you look like or how big your junk is. \nThe point is if you choose to be a trash person like Tate, where your self worth is tied into how cruel/offensive you can be to other people, don’t be mad if people call you out for that trashy attitude. Your post definitely reeks of “men are the true victims” when clearly you didn’t seem to have a problem with a grown man cyber bullying a teenager.",
">\n\nI like how you imply that OP is a fan of a literal human trafficker because they point out that a body-shaming insult is body-shaming. Do you understand why associating a trait of someone's body with negative personality traits is bad?",
">\n\nNo because people like this always have exceptions that allow them to use the things they complain about. Cognitive gymnastics allows them to recognise shaming women and people of colour is bad, because society will eat them otherwise, but when someone shows up who deserves a bit of a roasting all of their social etiquette rules go out the window and the excuses come out as to why in this context it doesn't count.\n\"Ahh no, here it is a reflection of an attitude\" blah blah 3 paragraphs later and we've clouded over the simple fact that body shaming is body shaming and harms people you weren't intending to insult.",
">\n\nPeople like this? You’re assuming things about me because I am a character in your mind not a real person. I am not a monolith. We should not be body shaming people. I am explaining the other side of this issue and why people use these terms. You never asked if I use these same terms in my life. You assumed I do. I don’t. You didn’t even bother to read my response because if you did you would have realized this.",
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">\n\nYou can have smol pp but big pp energy and vice versa",
">\n\nSo why is the phrase small dick energy if it has nothing to do with having a small dick?",
">\n\nIdk man, I just work here.",
">\n\nYou know why. Lol cause small dick is associated with bad. And by insulting dicks you use this knowledge to offend, at the cost of body shaming people. \nStop feigning dumb just to avoid the reasoning lol",
">\n\nI can see how it would be offensive, and I wouldn’t use it myself. I feel like the phrase refers more to how someone acts as opposed to how they are endowed. And how it’s behavior and actions that make people think down of you not your penis.",
">\n\nPoint is that we, as a society, should encourage better insults that attack the comments of the person without necessarily having to equate it to something someone with a small dick.",
">\n\nWould you agree with me, that if Andrew clapped back with one of those that the internet would be up in arms about it?",
">\n\nYou mean the way that you are, here, on the internet, up in arms?",
">\n\nIm one person on reddit, theres no major backlash like there would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\nSee, what's happening here is that you are also looking at people who are \"one person on Reddit\" and pretending it's a major backlash. Andrew Tate says fucked up things about women all the time (in fact, it's kind of his whole schtick) and it's as much of a non-event as this is.",
">\n\nPlease link me to something fucked up hes said about women, and ill agree with you, two wrongs don't make a right.",
">\n\nHere's exhibit A.",
">\n\nSure I agree with you he has said fucked up stuff about women, it doesn't mean its okay to make a joke about small dick energy.\nDo you understand my point?",
">\n\nWe understand, it's just that your point is fucking stupid",
">\n\nYou have no idea what his point is, it's funny that people on this thread OP and others actually like Andrew Tate.\nIt proves that everyone is completely frothingly tribalistic with zero nuance.",
">\n\nIf someone is behaving insufferably, people are going to laugh at them for things that they wouldn’t find funny if it happened to someone they liked.\nFor example, is it funny when people go bankrupt? No. Would it be funny if someone like Andrew Tate went bankrupt after boasting about Bugattis and all of his mass wealth? Yes. This doesn’t mean people who would make fun of him for that are making fun of poverty or all people who lose their livelihoods, it would just be funny if it happened to that particular person. \nIn the same way, the idea that Tate does all the douchey, over the top macho things that he does in order to compensate for having a small penis is funny, whilst it not being funny to make fun of every person who has a small penis.",
">\n\nSubstitute fat. Is that ok?",
">\n\nDepends on what the fat person is doing. If the person is minding their own business then no, if the fat person is attacking other people’s appearances then yeah go for it.",
">\n\nInteresting take. Might want to play with that a bit. A lot of situations where your reasoning falls apart.",
">\n\nPeople insulted Trump for being fat when he tried to say he was like the most fit person ever. People make fun of Elon Musk's body. You can make the same type of insult to two different people and it come off two different ways. \nWhen you make your identity or argument around something it opens up certain insults and comebacks. \nTate's whole thing is trying to act like this \"alpha male\" when in reality he's a sex trafficking weirdo who pays women to hang out with him. It's totally fine to insult him with a childish insult. \nI also find that people worried or mad about this don't actually care about body image issues. They just want a gotcha moment for people. Because many would have shitty takes about fat people or whine about pc culture.",
">\n\nWhen you call some MF that doesn't necessarily mean you are a MF... I'm not saying it's okay to say abusing words but we still do use them.\nI don't think she said it in literal terms, it was completely literary. Also she only said it cause it was Tate who she said it to. Also if a woman has small tits and someone said to someone else that they have small tits energy, I don't think one who actually has small tits would mind it, cause she is not involved and it's kinda perfect way of irritating Tate.. cause he really cares about these things. \nWhen it comes to increasing the insecurity of someone who actually has small D and is insecure about it... She couldn't think so far cause all she wanted was to irritate Tate and she was successful",
">\n\nI don't think it even irritated him if that was her goal but definitely helped him with popularity. It just proves what he says people think of insecure men, it just moves them to him and he gains more influence. It was an ignorant reply in poor taste. Someone with much following and influence as Greta shouldn't be as irresponsible and the followers shouldn't be having to do mental gymnastics to defend her instead of seeing it as it is: body shaming against men.",
">\n\nIs this some kind of weird meta-game? Are Andrew Tate fans pretending to actually be offended by this stupid insult to prove a point? Does anybody actually think her retort was any sharper than a brick wrapped in a wet blanket?\nWhat is going on here?!",
">\n\n\nWhat is going on here?!\n\nAndrew Tate fans have a lot of small dick energy. That's whats going on.",
">\n\nWhy are people not allowed dislike tate (he's an absolute idiot and a grifter) and also to criticize obvious body shaming from a supposed progressive? If Biden started talking about \"N*gger energy\" criticizing Kanye for antisemitism, would that be ok in your eyes? Would you say that a black guy who doesn't like that must be an angry Kanye fan? Or is it disgustingly offensive towards all African Americans to use that type of language no matter what?",
">\n\nBecause it suits their narrative to frame it as if people are just defending tate. It's easier than just actually defending body shaming. Done deal.",
">\n\nI think Greta used that phrase not because she actually believes or wants to promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior, but because people like Andrew Tate believe and promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior. If Andrew Tate gets hurt because Greta says he has small dick energy, then maybe -- just maybe, with the tiniest bit of introspection -- he'll come to realize how hateful some of his language is.\nBullies like Andrew Tate don't really respond to logic or pleas for sympathy. The only way to maybe make them understand the hurt they cause is to inflict it on them, because they don't care about anyone but themselves. \nSo instead of putting the cart before the horse and blaming Greta for using an offensive phrase as an argumentative tactic, maybe blame the people who use the phrase to actually demean people.",
">\n\nCan we substitute fat instead and be justified?",
">\n\nYes people did that with Trump when he claimed to be the fittest person ever basically. If someone has a habit of insulting people a certain way or making certain claims then they open themselves up to specific insults. \nSometimes we'd find those insults not tasteful if said to other people. But I feel like most people equating this to fat insults don't actually care about fat people. A lot of people would also be like oh things are getting too pc or soft or woke when it comes to body positivity towards fat people. So for me it's hard to buy this line of reasoning as being truly valid or caring.",
">\n\nNo one said it has to be authentic caring. This sub is for exploring the intellectual arguments. Your perception of how authentic someone’s feelings towards fat people is basically irrelevant. Argue the point or don’t. Passing your authenticity test is a wierd standard to try to argue for.",
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">\n\nYes, making insults is offensive. That's the point.\nInsults that reference a body part are also offensive to people who are insecure about that body part. That's also kinda obvious.\nWhat do you want your mind changed about here? I'm unclear about what you think can be discussed about an insult meant to be insulting. Are you arguing that this insult is especially wrong in some way?\nHow is this not just you soapboxing?",
">\n\nThere's a reason as a society we don't use insults like \"retard\". This is in the same vein. You're attributing a negative thing with a man having a small penis. This is harmful as it perpetuates the stigma surrounding penis size which is outside ones control. Essentially it degrades a group of people who have nothing to do with it. OP wants to know whether or not this is reconciled. Reading the comments... It has not been. \nMaking gendered insults doesn't bother me truthfully but I can understand the frustration OP is expressing because were it to be a man making some edgy reference to a woman's lady parts being inadequate as a way to demean them then everyone would be outraged as opposed to cheering it on.",
">\n\nUsing “small dick” as an insult, or “loose pussy” isn’t really offensive unless you are insecure about the physical viability of your reproductive organs. \nBut, that doesn’t make it funny. It’s a really juvenile and uncreative way of ridiculing someone."
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"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult.",
">\n\nIt's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh.",
">\n\nHonestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV",
">\n\nPeople can make mistakes and this was one of them.. so we can all just criticize her reply fairly and move on. No need for acute mental gymnastics to defend her as this comments section is showing lmao.",
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">\n\nI don't think anyone is arguing it's not offensive. I'm pretty sure she was trying to offend insecure men. Apparently with great success.",
">\n\nShe was trying to offend men who were insecure about their body image?\nHow is that not body shaming?",
">\n\nIt is, but we playing the avoidance and rationalization game",
">\n\nbecause women invented \"small dick energy\"\nharsh, sad. but we go jim🗿",
">\n\nOP never mentioned women tho. Post is strictly about why it's offensive. Do you disagree that it's not offensive or you think it's a trivial matter to make fun of that men's mental health doesn't matter as much?",
">\n\nThe female equivalent is\n\"Loose Pussy Energy\".\nThe typical man-hate hypocrisy commonly going around is beyond obvious. And it is an attack on All men and boys not just some.",
">\n\nNot a disagreement per se, but also worth noting that it’s transphobic. Which is to say, it insults all men by reinforcing patriarchy and punching down to two groups of men.",
">\n\nShe said small dick energy. Not that he had a small dick (though, come on). She used that phrase BECAUSE it's Tate. She's not a moron.\nHe is, as evidenced by his life to this point and his two responses to Thunberg, which were epically pathetic, is a moron and didn't seem to get it, though he doesn't get a lot.",
">\n\nThis is worse than saying he has a small dick, because how would she know, and that would just be dismissed as stupid.\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\nI can't understand the mental gymnastics some people are doing to try and say this isn't body shaming.",
">\n\n\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\n\nI mean yeah -- kind of like how pussy is an insult denoting cowardice, cunt is an insult meaning basically, terrible, etc., \nShe used that on purpose. Are you making CMV every time you see someone calling someone else a pussy?",
">\n\nPussy is kind of already known to be a shitty gendered insult so it doesn't need a CMV. In this case, Greta's gendered \"having a small penis is bad\" tweet is massively amplified, reached r/all on a shitload of subs, etc. so some discussion about whether or not that is cool is warranted",
">\n\nSmall dick energy isn’t about having a small dick tho. It’s a reflection of an attitude that men who are offensive, aggressive, nasty to people are overcompensating for their insecurities. A small dick doesn’t mean you won’t be able to find a partner or that you’re any less of a man. Being a downright trash bag of a human to others, like in this instance where an internet edgelord is cyber bullying a teenager on the internet who is fighting for the survival of our planet/humanity is an example of this trash behavior, is more of a determining factor. \nYou can also have a small dick but have big dick energy, as it’s reflective of who you are as a person. It’s an attitude. It’s who you choose to be to yourself and others. Hell, there’s women who use the term that they have big dick energy and I can tell you those women’s dicks are none existent so therefore size isn’t a thing. \nNo one should be made fun of for something they had no control over. The worth of a man is not tied to the size of his penis. Although, toxic masculinity and shallow people will tell you different. They say the same for disabled people, fat people etc. There’s plenty of people who are not “conventional standards of beauty” which is the majority of us, that lead happy, healthy relationships. Those relationships start with yourself and understanding your worth as a person isn’t tied to what you look like or how big your junk is. \nThe point is if you choose to be a trash person like Tate, where your self worth is tied into how cruel/offensive you can be to other people, don’t be mad if people call you out for that trashy attitude. Your post definitely reeks of “men are the true victims” when clearly you didn’t seem to have a problem with a grown man cyber bullying a teenager.",
">\n\nI like how you imply that OP is a fan of a literal human trafficker because they point out that a body-shaming insult is body-shaming. Do you understand why associating a trait of someone's body with negative personality traits is bad?",
">\n\nNo because people like this always have exceptions that allow them to use the things they complain about. Cognitive gymnastics allows them to recognise shaming women and people of colour is bad, because society will eat them otherwise, but when someone shows up who deserves a bit of a roasting all of their social etiquette rules go out the window and the excuses come out as to why in this context it doesn't count.\n\"Ahh no, here it is a reflection of an attitude\" blah blah 3 paragraphs later and we've clouded over the simple fact that body shaming is body shaming and harms people you weren't intending to insult.",
">\n\nPeople like this? You’re assuming things about me because I am a character in your mind not a real person. I am not a monolith. We should not be body shaming people. I am explaining the other side of this issue and why people use these terms. You never asked if I use these same terms in my life. You assumed I do. I don’t. You didn’t even bother to read my response because if you did you would have realized this.",
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">\n\nYou can have smol pp but big pp energy and vice versa",
">\n\nSo why is the phrase small dick energy if it has nothing to do with having a small dick?",
">\n\nIdk man, I just work here.",
">\n\nYou know why. Lol cause small dick is associated with bad. And by insulting dicks you use this knowledge to offend, at the cost of body shaming people. \nStop feigning dumb just to avoid the reasoning lol",
">\n\nI can see how it would be offensive, and I wouldn’t use it myself. I feel like the phrase refers more to how someone acts as opposed to how they are endowed. And how it’s behavior and actions that make people think down of you not your penis.",
">\n\nPoint is that we, as a society, should encourage better insults that attack the comments of the person without necessarily having to equate it to something someone with a small dick.",
">\n\nWould you agree with me, that if Andrew clapped back with one of those that the internet would be up in arms about it?",
">\n\nYou mean the way that you are, here, on the internet, up in arms?",
">\n\nIm one person on reddit, theres no major backlash like there would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\nSee, what's happening here is that you are also looking at people who are \"one person on Reddit\" and pretending it's a major backlash. Andrew Tate says fucked up things about women all the time (in fact, it's kind of his whole schtick) and it's as much of a non-event as this is.",
">\n\nPlease link me to something fucked up hes said about women, and ill agree with you, two wrongs don't make a right.",
">\n\nHere's exhibit A.",
">\n\nSure I agree with you he has said fucked up stuff about women, it doesn't mean its okay to make a joke about small dick energy.\nDo you understand my point?",
">\n\nWe understand, it's just that your point is fucking stupid",
">\n\nYou have no idea what his point is, it's funny that people on this thread OP and others actually like Andrew Tate.\nIt proves that everyone is completely frothingly tribalistic with zero nuance.",
">\n\nIf someone is behaving insufferably, people are going to laugh at them for things that they wouldn’t find funny if it happened to someone they liked.\nFor example, is it funny when people go bankrupt? No. Would it be funny if someone like Andrew Tate went bankrupt after boasting about Bugattis and all of his mass wealth? Yes. This doesn’t mean people who would make fun of him for that are making fun of poverty or all people who lose their livelihoods, it would just be funny if it happened to that particular person. \nIn the same way, the idea that Tate does all the douchey, over the top macho things that he does in order to compensate for having a small penis is funny, whilst it not being funny to make fun of every person who has a small penis.",
">\n\nSubstitute fat. Is that ok?",
">\n\nDepends on what the fat person is doing. If the person is minding their own business then no, if the fat person is attacking other people’s appearances then yeah go for it.",
">\n\nInteresting take. Might want to play with that a bit. A lot of situations where your reasoning falls apart.",
">\n\nPeople insulted Trump for being fat when he tried to say he was like the most fit person ever. People make fun of Elon Musk's body. You can make the same type of insult to two different people and it come off two different ways. \nWhen you make your identity or argument around something it opens up certain insults and comebacks. \nTate's whole thing is trying to act like this \"alpha male\" when in reality he's a sex trafficking weirdo who pays women to hang out with him. It's totally fine to insult him with a childish insult. \nI also find that people worried or mad about this don't actually care about body image issues. They just want a gotcha moment for people. Because many would have shitty takes about fat people or whine about pc culture.",
">\n\nWhen you call some MF that doesn't necessarily mean you are a MF... I'm not saying it's okay to say abusing words but we still do use them.\nI don't think she said it in literal terms, it was completely literary. Also she only said it cause it was Tate who she said it to. Also if a woman has small tits and someone said to someone else that they have small tits energy, I don't think one who actually has small tits would mind it, cause she is not involved and it's kinda perfect way of irritating Tate.. cause he really cares about these things. \nWhen it comes to increasing the insecurity of someone who actually has small D and is insecure about it... She couldn't think so far cause all she wanted was to irritate Tate and she was successful",
">\n\nI don't think it even irritated him if that was her goal but definitely helped him with popularity. It just proves what he says people think of insecure men, it just moves them to him and he gains more influence. It was an ignorant reply in poor taste. Someone with much following and influence as Greta shouldn't be as irresponsible and the followers shouldn't be having to do mental gymnastics to defend her instead of seeing it as it is: body shaming against men.",
">\n\nIs this some kind of weird meta-game? Are Andrew Tate fans pretending to actually be offended by this stupid insult to prove a point? Does anybody actually think her retort was any sharper than a brick wrapped in a wet blanket?\nWhat is going on here?!",
">\n\n\nWhat is going on here?!\n\nAndrew Tate fans have a lot of small dick energy. That's whats going on.",
">\n\nWhy are people not allowed dislike tate (he's an absolute idiot and a grifter) and also to criticize obvious body shaming from a supposed progressive? If Biden started talking about \"N*gger energy\" criticizing Kanye for antisemitism, would that be ok in your eyes? Would you say that a black guy who doesn't like that must be an angry Kanye fan? Or is it disgustingly offensive towards all African Americans to use that type of language no matter what?",
">\n\nBecause it suits their narrative to frame it as if people are just defending tate. It's easier than just actually defending body shaming. Done deal.",
">\n\nI think Greta used that phrase not because she actually believes or wants to promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior, but because people like Andrew Tate believe and promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior. If Andrew Tate gets hurt because Greta says he has small dick energy, then maybe -- just maybe, with the tiniest bit of introspection -- he'll come to realize how hateful some of his language is.\nBullies like Andrew Tate don't really respond to logic or pleas for sympathy. The only way to maybe make them understand the hurt they cause is to inflict it on them, because they don't care about anyone but themselves. \nSo instead of putting the cart before the horse and blaming Greta for using an offensive phrase as an argumentative tactic, maybe blame the people who use the phrase to actually demean people.",
">\n\nCan we substitute fat instead and be justified?",
">\n\nYes people did that with Trump when he claimed to be the fittest person ever basically. If someone has a habit of insulting people a certain way or making certain claims then they open themselves up to specific insults. \nSometimes we'd find those insults not tasteful if said to other people. But I feel like most people equating this to fat insults don't actually care about fat people. A lot of people would also be like oh things are getting too pc or soft or woke when it comes to body positivity towards fat people. So for me it's hard to buy this line of reasoning as being truly valid or caring.",
">\n\nNo one said it has to be authentic caring. This sub is for exploring the intellectual arguments. Your perception of how authentic someone’s feelings towards fat people is basically irrelevant. Argue the point or don’t. Passing your authenticity test is a wierd standard to try to argue for.",
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">\n\nYes, making insults is offensive. That's the point.\nInsults that reference a body part are also offensive to people who are insecure about that body part. That's also kinda obvious.\nWhat do you want your mind changed about here? I'm unclear about what you think can be discussed about an insult meant to be insulting. Are you arguing that this insult is especially wrong in some way?\nHow is this not just you soapboxing?",
">\n\nThere's a reason as a society we don't use insults like \"retard\". This is in the same vein. You're attributing a negative thing with a man having a small penis. This is harmful as it perpetuates the stigma surrounding penis size which is outside ones control. Essentially it degrades a group of people who have nothing to do with it. OP wants to know whether or not this is reconciled. Reading the comments... It has not been. \nMaking gendered insults doesn't bother me truthfully but I can understand the frustration OP is expressing because were it to be a man making some edgy reference to a woman's lady parts being inadequate as a way to demean them then everyone would be outraged as opposed to cheering it on.",
">\n\nUsing “small dick” as an insult, or “loose pussy” isn’t really offensive unless you are insecure about the physical viability of your reproductive organs. \nBut, that doesn’t make it funny. It’s a really juvenile and uncreative way of ridiculing someone.",
">\n\nInsecure women are offended when they're fat shamed.\nIt's still body shaming.\nIt's still wrong."
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Guy randomly decides to flex on her by saying I HAVE CARS AND I LIKE TO GO VROOOOM. It's like when Piers decides that it's absolutely important to eat meat in front of vegans. It's not about penis size. It's just that smalldickenergy is a perfect explanation of why would someone decide to behave like this.
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"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult.",
">\n\nIt's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh.",
">\n\nHonestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV",
">\n\nPeople can make mistakes and this was one of them.. so we can all just criticize her reply fairly and move on. No need for acute mental gymnastics to defend her as this comments section is showing lmao.",
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">\n\nI don't think anyone is arguing it's not offensive. I'm pretty sure she was trying to offend insecure men. Apparently with great success.",
">\n\nShe was trying to offend men who were insecure about their body image?\nHow is that not body shaming?",
">\n\nIt is, but we playing the avoidance and rationalization game",
">\n\nbecause women invented \"small dick energy\"\nharsh, sad. but we go jim🗿",
">\n\nOP never mentioned women tho. Post is strictly about why it's offensive. Do you disagree that it's not offensive or you think it's a trivial matter to make fun of that men's mental health doesn't matter as much?",
">\n\nThe female equivalent is\n\"Loose Pussy Energy\".\nThe typical man-hate hypocrisy commonly going around is beyond obvious. And it is an attack on All men and boys not just some.",
">\n\nNot a disagreement per se, but also worth noting that it’s transphobic. Which is to say, it insults all men by reinforcing patriarchy and punching down to two groups of men.",
">\n\nShe said small dick energy. Not that he had a small dick (though, come on). She used that phrase BECAUSE it's Tate. She's not a moron.\nHe is, as evidenced by his life to this point and his two responses to Thunberg, which were epically pathetic, is a moron and didn't seem to get it, though he doesn't get a lot.",
">\n\nThis is worse than saying he has a small dick, because how would she know, and that would just be dismissed as stupid.\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\nI can't understand the mental gymnastics some people are doing to try and say this isn't body shaming.",
">\n\n\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\n\nI mean yeah -- kind of like how pussy is an insult denoting cowardice, cunt is an insult meaning basically, terrible, etc., \nShe used that on purpose. Are you making CMV every time you see someone calling someone else a pussy?",
">\n\nPussy is kind of already known to be a shitty gendered insult so it doesn't need a CMV. In this case, Greta's gendered \"having a small penis is bad\" tweet is massively amplified, reached r/all on a shitload of subs, etc. so some discussion about whether or not that is cool is warranted",
">\n\nSmall dick energy isn’t about having a small dick tho. It’s a reflection of an attitude that men who are offensive, aggressive, nasty to people are overcompensating for their insecurities. A small dick doesn’t mean you won’t be able to find a partner or that you’re any less of a man. Being a downright trash bag of a human to others, like in this instance where an internet edgelord is cyber bullying a teenager on the internet who is fighting for the survival of our planet/humanity is an example of this trash behavior, is more of a determining factor. \nYou can also have a small dick but have big dick energy, as it’s reflective of who you are as a person. It’s an attitude. It’s who you choose to be to yourself and others. Hell, there’s women who use the term that they have big dick energy and I can tell you those women’s dicks are none existent so therefore size isn’t a thing. \nNo one should be made fun of for something they had no control over. The worth of a man is not tied to the size of his penis. Although, toxic masculinity and shallow people will tell you different. They say the same for disabled people, fat people etc. There’s plenty of people who are not “conventional standards of beauty” which is the majority of us, that lead happy, healthy relationships. Those relationships start with yourself and understanding your worth as a person isn’t tied to what you look like or how big your junk is. \nThe point is if you choose to be a trash person like Tate, where your self worth is tied into how cruel/offensive you can be to other people, don’t be mad if people call you out for that trashy attitude. Your post definitely reeks of “men are the true victims” when clearly you didn’t seem to have a problem with a grown man cyber bullying a teenager.",
">\n\nI like how you imply that OP is a fan of a literal human trafficker because they point out that a body-shaming insult is body-shaming. Do you understand why associating a trait of someone's body with negative personality traits is bad?",
">\n\nNo because people like this always have exceptions that allow them to use the things they complain about. Cognitive gymnastics allows them to recognise shaming women and people of colour is bad, because society will eat them otherwise, but when someone shows up who deserves a bit of a roasting all of their social etiquette rules go out the window and the excuses come out as to why in this context it doesn't count.\n\"Ahh no, here it is a reflection of an attitude\" blah blah 3 paragraphs later and we've clouded over the simple fact that body shaming is body shaming and harms people you weren't intending to insult.",
">\n\nPeople like this? You’re assuming things about me because I am a character in your mind not a real person. I am not a monolith. We should not be body shaming people. I am explaining the other side of this issue and why people use these terms. You never asked if I use these same terms in my life. You assumed I do. I don’t. You didn’t even bother to read my response because if you did you would have realized this.",
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">\n\nYou can have smol pp but big pp energy and vice versa",
">\n\nSo why is the phrase small dick energy if it has nothing to do with having a small dick?",
">\n\nIdk man, I just work here.",
">\n\nYou know why. Lol cause small dick is associated with bad. And by insulting dicks you use this knowledge to offend, at the cost of body shaming people. \nStop feigning dumb just to avoid the reasoning lol",
">\n\nI can see how it would be offensive, and I wouldn’t use it myself. I feel like the phrase refers more to how someone acts as opposed to how they are endowed. And how it’s behavior and actions that make people think down of you not your penis.",
">\n\nPoint is that we, as a society, should encourage better insults that attack the comments of the person without necessarily having to equate it to something someone with a small dick.",
">\n\nWould you agree with me, that if Andrew clapped back with one of those that the internet would be up in arms about it?",
">\n\nYou mean the way that you are, here, on the internet, up in arms?",
">\n\nIm one person on reddit, theres no major backlash like there would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\nSee, what's happening here is that you are also looking at people who are \"one person on Reddit\" and pretending it's a major backlash. Andrew Tate says fucked up things about women all the time (in fact, it's kind of his whole schtick) and it's as much of a non-event as this is.",
">\n\nPlease link me to something fucked up hes said about women, and ill agree with you, two wrongs don't make a right.",
">\n\nHere's exhibit A.",
">\n\nSure I agree with you he has said fucked up stuff about women, it doesn't mean its okay to make a joke about small dick energy.\nDo you understand my point?",
">\n\nWe understand, it's just that your point is fucking stupid",
">\n\nYou have no idea what his point is, it's funny that people on this thread OP and others actually like Andrew Tate.\nIt proves that everyone is completely frothingly tribalistic with zero nuance.",
">\n\nIf someone is behaving insufferably, people are going to laugh at them for things that they wouldn’t find funny if it happened to someone they liked.\nFor example, is it funny when people go bankrupt? No. Would it be funny if someone like Andrew Tate went bankrupt after boasting about Bugattis and all of his mass wealth? Yes. This doesn’t mean people who would make fun of him for that are making fun of poverty or all people who lose their livelihoods, it would just be funny if it happened to that particular person. \nIn the same way, the idea that Tate does all the douchey, over the top macho things that he does in order to compensate for having a small penis is funny, whilst it not being funny to make fun of every person who has a small penis.",
">\n\nSubstitute fat. Is that ok?",
">\n\nDepends on what the fat person is doing. If the person is minding their own business then no, if the fat person is attacking other people’s appearances then yeah go for it.",
">\n\nInteresting take. Might want to play with that a bit. A lot of situations where your reasoning falls apart.",
">\n\nPeople insulted Trump for being fat when he tried to say he was like the most fit person ever. People make fun of Elon Musk's body. You can make the same type of insult to two different people and it come off two different ways. \nWhen you make your identity or argument around something it opens up certain insults and comebacks. \nTate's whole thing is trying to act like this \"alpha male\" when in reality he's a sex trafficking weirdo who pays women to hang out with him. It's totally fine to insult him with a childish insult. \nI also find that people worried or mad about this don't actually care about body image issues. They just want a gotcha moment for people. Because many would have shitty takes about fat people or whine about pc culture.",
">\n\nWhen you call some MF that doesn't necessarily mean you are a MF... I'm not saying it's okay to say abusing words but we still do use them.\nI don't think she said it in literal terms, it was completely literary. Also she only said it cause it was Tate who she said it to. Also if a woman has small tits and someone said to someone else that they have small tits energy, I don't think one who actually has small tits would mind it, cause she is not involved and it's kinda perfect way of irritating Tate.. cause he really cares about these things. \nWhen it comes to increasing the insecurity of someone who actually has small D and is insecure about it... She couldn't think so far cause all she wanted was to irritate Tate and she was successful",
">\n\nI don't think it even irritated him if that was her goal but definitely helped him with popularity. It just proves what he says people think of insecure men, it just moves them to him and he gains more influence. It was an ignorant reply in poor taste. Someone with much following and influence as Greta shouldn't be as irresponsible and the followers shouldn't be having to do mental gymnastics to defend her instead of seeing it as it is: body shaming against men.",
">\n\nIs this some kind of weird meta-game? Are Andrew Tate fans pretending to actually be offended by this stupid insult to prove a point? Does anybody actually think her retort was any sharper than a brick wrapped in a wet blanket?\nWhat is going on here?!",
">\n\n\nWhat is going on here?!\n\nAndrew Tate fans have a lot of small dick energy. That's whats going on.",
">\n\nWhy are people not allowed dislike tate (he's an absolute idiot and a grifter) and also to criticize obvious body shaming from a supposed progressive? If Biden started talking about \"N*gger energy\" criticizing Kanye for antisemitism, would that be ok in your eyes? Would you say that a black guy who doesn't like that must be an angry Kanye fan? Or is it disgustingly offensive towards all African Americans to use that type of language no matter what?",
">\n\nBecause it suits their narrative to frame it as if people are just defending tate. It's easier than just actually defending body shaming. Done deal.",
">\n\nI think Greta used that phrase not because she actually believes or wants to promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior, but because people like Andrew Tate believe and promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior. If Andrew Tate gets hurt because Greta says he has small dick energy, then maybe -- just maybe, with the tiniest bit of introspection -- he'll come to realize how hateful some of his language is.\nBullies like Andrew Tate don't really respond to logic or pleas for sympathy. The only way to maybe make them understand the hurt they cause is to inflict it on them, because they don't care about anyone but themselves. \nSo instead of putting the cart before the horse and blaming Greta for using an offensive phrase as an argumentative tactic, maybe blame the people who use the phrase to actually demean people.",
">\n\nCan we substitute fat instead and be justified?",
">\n\nYes people did that with Trump when he claimed to be the fittest person ever basically. If someone has a habit of insulting people a certain way or making certain claims then they open themselves up to specific insults. \nSometimes we'd find those insults not tasteful if said to other people. But I feel like most people equating this to fat insults don't actually care about fat people. A lot of people would also be like oh things are getting too pc or soft or woke when it comes to body positivity towards fat people. So for me it's hard to buy this line of reasoning as being truly valid or caring.",
">\n\nNo one said it has to be authentic caring. This sub is for exploring the intellectual arguments. Your perception of how authentic someone’s feelings towards fat people is basically irrelevant. Argue the point or don’t. Passing your authenticity test is a wierd standard to try to argue for.",
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">\n\nYes, making insults is offensive. That's the point.\nInsults that reference a body part are also offensive to people who are insecure about that body part. That's also kinda obvious.\nWhat do you want your mind changed about here? I'm unclear about what you think can be discussed about an insult meant to be insulting. Are you arguing that this insult is especially wrong in some way?\nHow is this not just you soapboxing?",
">\n\nThere's a reason as a society we don't use insults like \"retard\". This is in the same vein. You're attributing a negative thing with a man having a small penis. This is harmful as it perpetuates the stigma surrounding penis size which is outside ones control. Essentially it degrades a group of people who have nothing to do with it. OP wants to know whether or not this is reconciled. Reading the comments... It has not been. \nMaking gendered insults doesn't bother me truthfully but I can understand the frustration OP is expressing because were it to be a man making some edgy reference to a woman's lady parts being inadequate as a way to demean them then everyone would be outraged as opposed to cheering it on.",
">\n\nUsing “small dick” as an insult, or “loose pussy” isn’t really offensive unless you are insecure about the physical viability of your reproductive organs. \nBut, that doesn’t make it funny. It’s a really juvenile and uncreative way of ridiculing someone.",
">\n\nInsecure women are offended when they're fat shamed.\nIt's still body shaming.\nIt's still wrong.",
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She is 19. Maybe in a few years she will have more mature insults. It’s a lot of pressure to be put on someone so young to also say the perfect thing all the time
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"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult.",
">\n\nIt's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh.",
">\n\nHonestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV",
">\n\nPeople can make mistakes and this was one of them.. so we can all just criticize her reply fairly and move on. No need for acute mental gymnastics to defend her as this comments section is showing lmao.",
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">\n\nI don't think anyone is arguing it's not offensive. I'm pretty sure she was trying to offend insecure men. Apparently with great success.",
">\n\nShe was trying to offend men who were insecure about their body image?\nHow is that not body shaming?",
">\n\nIt is, but we playing the avoidance and rationalization game",
">\n\nbecause women invented \"small dick energy\"\nharsh, sad. but we go jim🗿",
">\n\nOP never mentioned women tho. Post is strictly about why it's offensive. Do you disagree that it's not offensive or you think it's a trivial matter to make fun of that men's mental health doesn't matter as much?",
">\n\nThe female equivalent is\n\"Loose Pussy Energy\".\nThe typical man-hate hypocrisy commonly going around is beyond obvious. And it is an attack on All men and boys not just some.",
">\n\nNot a disagreement per se, but also worth noting that it’s transphobic. Which is to say, it insults all men by reinforcing patriarchy and punching down to two groups of men.",
">\n\nShe said small dick energy. Not that he had a small dick (though, come on). She used that phrase BECAUSE it's Tate. She's not a moron.\nHe is, as evidenced by his life to this point and his two responses to Thunberg, which were epically pathetic, is a moron and didn't seem to get it, though he doesn't get a lot.",
">\n\nThis is worse than saying he has a small dick, because how would she know, and that would just be dismissed as stupid.\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\nI can't understand the mental gymnastics some people are doing to try and say this isn't body shaming.",
">\n\n\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\n\nI mean yeah -- kind of like how pussy is an insult denoting cowardice, cunt is an insult meaning basically, terrible, etc., \nShe used that on purpose. Are you making CMV every time you see someone calling someone else a pussy?",
">\n\nPussy is kind of already known to be a shitty gendered insult so it doesn't need a CMV. In this case, Greta's gendered \"having a small penis is bad\" tweet is massively amplified, reached r/all on a shitload of subs, etc. so some discussion about whether or not that is cool is warranted",
">\n\nSmall dick energy isn’t about having a small dick tho. It’s a reflection of an attitude that men who are offensive, aggressive, nasty to people are overcompensating for their insecurities. A small dick doesn’t mean you won’t be able to find a partner or that you’re any less of a man. Being a downright trash bag of a human to others, like in this instance where an internet edgelord is cyber bullying a teenager on the internet who is fighting for the survival of our planet/humanity is an example of this trash behavior, is more of a determining factor. \nYou can also have a small dick but have big dick energy, as it’s reflective of who you are as a person. It’s an attitude. It’s who you choose to be to yourself and others. Hell, there’s women who use the term that they have big dick energy and I can tell you those women’s dicks are none existent so therefore size isn’t a thing. \nNo one should be made fun of for something they had no control over. The worth of a man is not tied to the size of his penis. Although, toxic masculinity and shallow people will tell you different. They say the same for disabled people, fat people etc. There’s plenty of people who are not “conventional standards of beauty” which is the majority of us, that lead happy, healthy relationships. Those relationships start with yourself and understanding your worth as a person isn’t tied to what you look like or how big your junk is. \nThe point is if you choose to be a trash person like Tate, where your self worth is tied into how cruel/offensive you can be to other people, don’t be mad if people call you out for that trashy attitude. Your post definitely reeks of “men are the true victims” when clearly you didn’t seem to have a problem with a grown man cyber bullying a teenager.",
">\n\nI like how you imply that OP is a fan of a literal human trafficker because they point out that a body-shaming insult is body-shaming. Do you understand why associating a trait of someone's body with negative personality traits is bad?",
">\n\nNo because people like this always have exceptions that allow them to use the things they complain about. Cognitive gymnastics allows them to recognise shaming women and people of colour is bad, because society will eat them otherwise, but when someone shows up who deserves a bit of a roasting all of their social etiquette rules go out the window and the excuses come out as to why in this context it doesn't count.\n\"Ahh no, here it is a reflection of an attitude\" blah blah 3 paragraphs later and we've clouded over the simple fact that body shaming is body shaming and harms people you weren't intending to insult.",
">\n\nPeople like this? You’re assuming things about me because I am a character in your mind not a real person. I am not a monolith. We should not be body shaming people. I am explaining the other side of this issue and why people use these terms. You never asked if I use these same terms in my life. You assumed I do. I don’t. You didn’t even bother to read my response because if you did you would have realized this.",
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">\n\nYou can have smol pp but big pp energy and vice versa",
">\n\nSo why is the phrase small dick energy if it has nothing to do with having a small dick?",
">\n\nIdk man, I just work here.",
">\n\nYou know why. Lol cause small dick is associated with bad. And by insulting dicks you use this knowledge to offend, at the cost of body shaming people. \nStop feigning dumb just to avoid the reasoning lol",
">\n\nI can see how it would be offensive, and I wouldn’t use it myself. I feel like the phrase refers more to how someone acts as opposed to how they are endowed. And how it’s behavior and actions that make people think down of you not your penis.",
">\n\nPoint is that we, as a society, should encourage better insults that attack the comments of the person without necessarily having to equate it to something someone with a small dick.",
">\n\nWould you agree with me, that if Andrew clapped back with one of those that the internet would be up in arms about it?",
">\n\nYou mean the way that you are, here, on the internet, up in arms?",
">\n\nIm one person on reddit, theres no major backlash like there would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\nSee, what's happening here is that you are also looking at people who are \"one person on Reddit\" and pretending it's a major backlash. Andrew Tate says fucked up things about women all the time (in fact, it's kind of his whole schtick) and it's as much of a non-event as this is.",
">\n\nPlease link me to something fucked up hes said about women, and ill agree with you, two wrongs don't make a right.",
">\n\nHere's exhibit A.",
">\n\nSure I agree with you he has said fucked up stuff about women, it doesn't mean its okay to make a joke about small dick energy.\nDo you understand my point?",
">\n\nWe understand, it's just that your point is fucking stupid",
">\n\nYou have no idea what his point is, it's funny that people on this thread OP and others actually like Andrew Tate.\nIt proves that everyone is completely frothingly tribalistic with zero nuance.",
">\n\nIf someone is behaving insufferably, people are going to laugh at them for things that they wouldn’t find funny if it happened to someone they liked.\nFor example, is it funny when people go bankrupt? No. Would it be funny if someone like Andrew Tate went bankrupt after boasting about Bugattis and all of his mass wealth? Yes. This doesn’t mean people who would make fun of him for that are making fun of poverty or all people who lose their livelihoods, it would just be funny if it happened to that particular person. \nIn the same way, the idea that Tate does all the douchey, over the top macho things that he does in order to compensate for having a small penis is funny, whilst it not being funny to make fun of every person who has a small penis.",
">\n\nSubstitute fat. Is that ok?",
">\n\nDepends on what the fat person is doing. If the person is minding their own business then no, if the fat person is attacking other people’s appearances then yeah go for it.",
">\n\nInteresting take. Might want to play with that a bit. A lot of situations where your reasoning falls apart.",
">\n\nPeople insulted Trump for being fat when he tried to say he was like the most fit person ever. People make fun of Elon Musk's body. You can make the same type of insult to two different people and it come off two different ways. \nWhen you make your identity or argument around something it opens up certain insults and comebacks. \nTate's whole thing is trying to act like this \"alpha male\" when in reality he's a sex trafficking weirdo who pays women to hang out with him. It's totally fine to insult him with a childish insult. \nI also find that people worried or mad about this don't actually care about body image issues. They just want a gotcha moment for people. Because many would have shitty takes about fat people or whine about pc culture.",
">\n\nWhen you call some MF that doesn't necessarily mean you are a MF... I'm not saying it's okay to say abusing words but we still do use them.\nI don't think she said it in literal terms, it was completely literary. Also she only said it cause it was Tate who she said it to. Also if a woman has small tits and someone said to someone else that they have small tits energy, I don't think one who actually has small tits would mind it, cause she is not involved and it's kinda perfect way of irritating Tate.. cause he really cares about these things. \nWhen it comes to increasing the insecurity of someone who actually has small D and is insecure about it... She couldn't think so far cause all she wanted was to irritate Tate and she was successful",
">\n\nI don't think it even irritated him if that was her goal but definitely helped him with popularity. It just proves what he says people think of insecure men, it just moves them to him and he gains more influence. It was an ignorant reply in poor taste. Someone with much following and influence as Greta shouldn't be as irresponsible and the followers shouldn't be having to do mental gymnastics to defend her instead of seeing it as it is: body shaming against men.",
">\n\nIs this some kind of weird meta-game? Are Andrew Tate fans pretending to actually be offended by this stupid insult to prove a point? Does anybody actually think her retort was any sharper than a brick wrapped in a wet blanket?\nWhat is going on here?!",
">\n\n\nWhat is going on here?!\n\nAndrew Tate fans have a lot of small dick energy. That's whats going on.",
">\n\nWhy are people not allowed dislike tate (he's an absolute idiot and a grifter) and also to criticize obvious body shaming from a supposed progressive? If Biden started talking about \"N*gger energy\" criticizing Kanye for antisemitism, would that be ok in your eyes? Would you say that a black guy who doesn't like that must be an angry Kanye fan? Or is it disgustingly offensive towards all African Americans to use that type of language no matter what?",
">\n\nBecause it suits their narrative to frame it as if people are just defending tate. It's easier than just actually defending body shaming. Done deal.",
">\n\nI think Greta used that phrase not because she actually believes or wants to promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior, but because people like Andrew Tate believe and promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior. If Andrew Tate gets hurt because Greta says he has small dick energy, then maybe -- just maybe, with the tiniest bit of introspection -- he'll come to realize how hateful some of his language is.\nBullies like Andrew Tate don't really respond to logic or pleas for sympathy. The only way to maybe make them understand the hurt they cause is to inflict it on them, because they don't care about anyone but themselves. \nSo instead of putting the cart before the horse and blaming Greta for using an offensive phrase as an argumentative tactic, maybe blame the people who use the phrase to actually demean people.",
">\n\nCan we substitute fat instead and be justified?",
">\n\nYes people did that with Trump when he claimed to be the fittest person ever basically. If someone has a habit of insulting people a certain way or making certain claims then they open themselves up to specific insults. \nSometimes we'd find those insults not tasteful if said to other people. But I feel like most people equating this to fat insults don't actually care about fat people. A lot of people would also be like oh things are getting too pc or soft or woke when it comes to body positivity towards fat people. So for me it's hard to buy this line of reasoning as being truly valid or caring.",
">\n\nNo one said it has to be authentic caring. This sub is for exploring the intellectual arguments. Your perception of how authentic someone’s feelings towards fat people is basically irrelevant. Argue the point or don’t. Passing your authenticity test is a wierd standard to try to argue for.",
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">\n\nYes, making insults is offensive. That's the point.\nInsults that reference a body part are also offensive to people who are insecure about that body part. That's also kinda obvious.\nWhat do you want your mind changed about here? I'm unclear about what you think can be discussed about an insult meant to be insulting. Are you arguing that this insult is especially wrong in some way?\nHow is this not just you soapboxing?",
">\n\nThere's a reason as a society we don't use insults like \"retard\". This is in the same vein. You're attributing a negative thing with a man having a small penis. This is harmful as it perpetuates the stigma surrounding penis size which is outside ones control. Essentially it degrades a group of people who have nothing to do with it. OP wants to know whether or not this is reconciled. Reading the comments... It has not been. \nMaking gendered insults doesn't bother me truthfully but I can understand the frustration OP is expressing because were it to be a man making some edgy reference to a woman's lady parts being inadequate as a way to demean them then everyone would be outraged as opposed to cheering it on.",
">\n\nUsing “small dick” as an insult, or “loose pussy” isn’t really offensive unless you are insecure about the physical viability of your reproductive organs. \nBut, that doesn’t make it funny. It’s a really juvenile and uncreative way of ridiculing someone.",
">\n\nInsecure women are offended when they're fat shamed.\nIt's still body shaming.\nIt's still wrong.",
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">\n\nGuy randomly decides to flex on her by saying I HAVE CARS AND I LIKE TO GO VROOOOM. It's like when Piers decides that it's absolutely important to eat meat in front of vegans. It's not about penis size. It's just that smalldickenergy is a perfect explanation of why would someone decide to behave like this."
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Under nearly all circumstances, I agree with you.
However, for a lot of people who have built a cult of personality around any given ideal, insults of the inoffensive type are completely commonplace. All they have to do is fend off one or two instances of this PG rated attacks, strawman them, call them snowflakes, and their following is bolstered and enhanced. Instead of having any negative effect, it becomes part of their inherent power.
Sometimes if you want to rattle a cult leader you have to hit with precision their most critical weakness and watch them implode. The fact that Tate is squirming so hard and doing everything he can to reclaim some of his dignity after Greta's clapback means that she has his number. Great isn't saying that having a small dick is bad, but knowing that Tate's entire personality is built about being an alpha male and that calling into question the size of his member will hurt him the most is what she was after.
Of course, it wasn't classy and could be offensive to some. But as the saying goes, sometimes you have to fight fire with fire.
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"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult.",
">\n\nIt's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh.",
">\n\nHonestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV",
">\n\nPeople can make mistakes and this was one of them.. so we can all just criticize her reply fairly and move on. No need for acute mental gymnastics to defend her as this comments section is showing lmao.",
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">\n\nI don't think anyone is arguing it's not offensive. I'm pretty sure she was trying to offend insecure men. Apparently with great success.",
">\n\nShe was trying to offend men who were insecure about their body image?\nHow is that not body shaming?",
">\n\nIt is, but we playing the avoidance and rationalization game",
">\n\nbecause women invented \"small dick energy\"\nharsh, sad. but we go jim🗿",
">\n\nOP never mentioned women tho. Post is strictly about why it's offensive. Do you disagree that it's not offensive or you think it's a trivial matter to make fun of that men's mental health doesn't matter as much?",
">\n\nThe female equivalent is\n\"Loose Pussy Energy\".\nThe typical man-hate hypocrisy commonly going around is beyond obvious. And it is an attack on All men and boys not just some.",
">\n\nNot a disagreement per se, but also worth noting that it’s transphobic. Which is to say, it insults all men by reinforcing patriarchy and punching down to two groups of men.",
">\n\nShe said small dick energy. Not that he had a small dick (though, come on). She used that phrase BECAUSE it's Tate. She's not a moron.\nHe is, as evidenced by his life to this point and his two responses to Thunberg, which were epically pathetic, is a moron and didn't seem to get it, though he doesn't get a lot.",
">\n\nThis is worse than saying he has a small dick, because how would she know, and that would just be dismissed as stupid.\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\nI can't understand the mental gymnastics some people are doing to try and say this isn't body shaming.",
">\n\n\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\n\nI mean yeah -- kind of like how pussy is an insult denoting cowardice, cunt is an insult meaning basically, terrible, etc., \nShe used that on purpose. Are you making CMV every time you see someone calling someone else a pussy?",
">\n\nPussy is kind of already known to be a shitty gendered insult so it doesn't need a CMV. In this case, Greta's gendered \"having a small penis is bad\" tweet is massively amplified, reached r/all on a shitload of subs, etc. so some discussion about whether or not that is cool is warranted",
">\n\nSmall dick energy isn’t about having a small dick tho. It’s a reflection of an attitude that men who are offensive, aggressive, nasty to people are overcompensating for their insecurities. A small dick doesn’t mean you won’t be able to find a partner or that you’re any less of a man. Being a downright trash bag of a human to others, like in this instance where an internet edgelord is cyber bullying a teenager on the internet who is fighting for the survival of our planet/humanity is an example of this trash behavior, is more of a determining factor. \nYou can also have a small dick but have big dick energy, as it’s reflective of who you are as a person. It’s an attitude. It’s who you choose to be to yourself and others. Hell, there’s women who use the term that they have big dick energy and I can tell you those women’s dicks are none existent so therefore size isn’t a thing. \nNo one should be made fun of for something they had no control over. The worth of a man is not tied to the size of his penis. Although, toxic masculinity and shallow people will tell you different. They say the same for disabled people, fat people etc. There’s plenty of people who are not “conventional standards of beauty” which is the majority of us, that lead happy, healthy relationships. Those relationships start with yourself and understanding your worth as a person isn’t tied to what you look like or how big your junk is. \nThe point is if you choose to be a trash person like Tate, where your self worth is tied into how cruel/offensive you can be to other people, don’t be mad if people call you out for that trashy attitude. Your post definitely reeks of “men are the true victims” when clearly you didn’t seem to have a problem with a grown man cyber bullying a teenager.",
">\n\nI like how you imply that OP is a fan of a literal human trafficker because they point out that a body-shaming insult is body-shaming. Do you understand why associating a trait of someone's body with negative personality traits is bad?",
">\n\nNo because people like this always have exceptions that allow them to use the things they complain about. Cognitive gymnastics allows them to recognise shaming women and people of colour is bad, because society will eat them otherwise, but when someone shows up who deserves a bit of a roasting all of their social etiquette rules go out the window and the excuses come out as to why in this context it doesn't count.\n\"Ahh no, here it is a reflection of an attitude\" blah blah 3 paragraphs later and we've clouded over the simple fact that body shaming is body shaming and harms people you weren't intending to insult.",
">\n\nPeople like this? You’re assuming things about me because I am a character in your mind not a real person. I am not a monolith. We should not be body shaming people. I am explaining the other side of this issue and why people use these terms. You never asked if I use these same terms in my life. You assumed I do. I don’t. You didn’t even bother to read my response because if you did you would have realized this.",
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">\n\nYou can have smol pp but big pp energy and vice versa",
">\n\nSo why is the phrase small dick energy if it has nothing to do with having a small dick?",
">\n\nIdk man, I just work here.",
">\n\nYou know why. Lol cause small dick is associated with bad. And by insulting dicks you use this knowledge to offend, at the cost of body shaming people. \nStop feigning dumb just to avoid the reasoning lol",
">\n\nI can see how it would be offensive, and I wouldn’t use it myself. I feel like the phrase refers more to how someone acts as opposed to how they are endowed. And how it’s behavior and actions that make people think down of you not your penis.",
">\n\nPoint is that we, as a society, should encourage better insults that attack the comments of the person without necessarily having to equate it to something someone with a small dick.",
">\n\nWould you agree with me, that if Andrew clapped back with one of those that the internet would be up in arms about it?",
">\n\nYou mean the way that you are, here, on the internet, up in arms?",
">\n\nIm one person on reddit, theres no major backlash like there would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\nSee, what's happening here is that you are also looking at people who are \"one person on Reddit\" and pretending it's a major backlash. Andrew Tate says fucked up things about women all the time (in fact, it's kind of his whole schtick) and it's as much of a non-event as this is.",
">\n\nPlease link me to something fucked up hes said about women, and ill agree with you, two wrongs don't make a right.",
">\n\nHere's exhibit A.",
">\n\nSure I agree with you he has said fucked up stuff about women, it doesn't mean its okay to make a joke about small dick energy.\nDo you understand my point?",
">\n\nWe understand, it's just that your point is fucking stupid",
">\n\nYou have no idea what his point is, it's funny that people on this thread OP and others actually like Andrew Tate.\nIt proves that everyone is completely frothingly tribalistic with zero nuance.",
">\n\nIf someone is behaving insufferably, people are going to laugh at them for things that they wouldn’t find funny if it happened to someone they liked.\nFor example, is it funny when people go bankrupt? No. Would it be funny if someone like Andrew Tate went bankrupt after boasting about Bugattis and all of his mass wealth? Yes. This doesn’t mean people who would make fun of him for that are making fun of poverty or all people who lose their livelihoods, it would just be funny if it happened to that particular person. \nIn the same way, the idea that Tate does all the douchey, over the top macho things that he does in order to compensate for having a small penis is funny, whilst it not being funny to make fun of every person who has a small penis.",
">\n\nSubstitute fat. Is that ok?",
">\n\nDepends on what the fat person is doing. If the person is minding their own business then no, if the fat person is attacking other people’s appearances then yeah go for it.",
">\n\nInteresting take. Might want to play with that a bit. A lot of situations where your reasoning falls apart.",
">\n\nPeople insulted Trump for being fat when he tried to say he was like the most fit person ever. People make fun of Elon Musk's body. You can make the same type of insult to two different people and it come off two different ways. \nWhen you make your identity or argument around something it opens up certain insults and comebacks. \nTate's whole thing is trying to act like this \"alpha male\" when in reality he's a sex trafficking weirdo who pays women to hang out with him. It's totally fine to insult him with a childish insult. \nI also find that people worried or mad about this don't actually care about body image issues. They just want a gotcha moment for people. Because many would have shitty takes about fat people or whine about pc culture.",
">\n\nWhen you call some MF that doesn't necessarily mean you are a MF... I'm not saying it's okay to say abusing words but we still do use them.\nI don't think she said it in literal terms, it was completely literary. Also she only said it cause it was Tate who she said it to. Also if a woman has small tits and someone said to someone else that they have small tits energy, I don't think one who actually has small tits would mind it, cause she is not involved and it's kinda perfect way of irritating Tate.. cause he really cares about these things. \nWhen it comes to increasing the insecurity of someone who actually has small D and is insecure about it... She couldn't think so far cause all she wanted was to irritate Tate and she was successful",
">\n\nI don't think it even irritated him if that was her goal but definitely helped him with popularity. It just proves what he says people think of insecure men, it just moves them to him and he gains more influence. It was an ignorant reply in poor taste. Someone with much following and influence as Greta shouldn't be as irresponsible and the followers shouldn't be having to do mental gymnastics to defend her instead of seeing it as it is: body shaming against men.",
">\n\nIs this some kind of weird meta-game? Are Andrew Tate fans pretending to actually be offended by this stupid insult to prove a point? Does anybody actually think her retort was any sharper than a brick wrapped in a wet blanket?\nWhat is going on here?!",
">\n\n\nWhat is going on here?!\n\nAndrew Tate fans have a lot of small dick energy. That's whats going on.",
">\n\nWhy are people not allowed dislike tate (he's an absolute idiot and a grifter) and also to criticize obvious body shaming from a supposed progressive? If Biden started talking about \"N*gger energy\" criticizing Kanye for antisemitism, would that be ok in your eyes? Would you say that a black guy who doesn't like that must be an angry Kanye fan? Or is it disgustingly offensive towards all African Americans to use that type of language no matter what?",
">\n\nBecause it suits their narrative to frame it as if people are just defending tate. It's easier than just actually defending body shaming. Done deal.",
">\n\nI think Greta used that phrase not because she actually believes or wants to promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior, but because people like Andrew Tate believe and promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior. If Andrew Tate gets hurt because Greta says he has small dick energy, then maybe -- just maybe, with the tiniest bit of introspection -- he'll come to realize how hateful some of his language is.\nBullies like Andrew Tate don't really respond to logic or pleas for sympathy. The only way to maybe make them understand the hurt they cause is to inflict it on them, because they don't care about anyone but themselves. \nSo instead of putting the cart before the horse and blaming Greta for using an offensive phrase as an argumentative tactic, maybe blame the people who use the phrase to actually demean people.",
">\n\nCan we substitute fat instead and be justified?",
">\n\nYes people did that with Trump when he claimed to be the fittest person ever basically. If someone has a habit of insulting people a certain way or making certain claims then they open themselves up to specific insults. \nSometimes we'd find those insults not tasteful if said to other people. But I feel like most people equating this to fat insults don't actually care about fat people. A lot of people would also be like oh things are getting too pc or soft or woke when it comes to body positivity towards fat people. So for me it's hard to buy this line of reasoning as being truly valid or caring.",
">\n\nNo one said it has to be authentic caring. This sub is for exploring the intellectual arguments. Your perception of how authentic someone’s feelings towards fat people is basically irrelevant. Argue the point or don’t. Passing your authenticity test is a wierd standard to try to argue for.",
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">\n\nYes, making insults is offensive. That's the point.\nInsults that reference a body part are also offensive to people who are insecure about that body part. That's also kinda obvious.\nWhat do you want your mind changed about here? I'm unclear about what you think can be discussed about an insult meant to be insulting. Are you arguing that this insult is especially wrong in some way?\nHow is this not just you soapboxing?",
">\n\nThere's a reason as a society we don't use insults like \"retard\". This is in the same vein. You're attributing a negative thing with a man having a small penis. This is harmful as it perpetuates the stigma surrounding penis size which is outside ones control. Essentially it degrades a group of people who have nothing to do with it. OP wants to know whether or not this is reconciled. Reading the comments... It has not been. \nMaking gendered insults doesn't bother me truthfully but I can understand the frustration OP is expressing because were it to be a man making some edgy reference to a woman's lady parts being inadequate as a way to demean them then everyone would be outraged as opposed to cheering it on.",
">\n\nUsing “small dick” as an insult, or “loose pussy” isn’t really offensive unless you are insecure about the physical viability of your reproductive organs. \nBut, that doesn’t make it funny. It’s a really juvenile and uncreative way of ridiculing someone.",
">\n\nInsecure women are offended when they're fat shamed.\nIt's still body shaming.\nIt's still wrong.",
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">\n\nGuy randomly decides to flex on her by saying I HAVE CARS AND I LIKE TO GO VROOOOM. It's like when Piers decides that it's absolutely important to eat meat in front of vegans. It's not about penis size. It's just that smalldickenergy is a perfect explanation of why would someone decide to behave like this.",
">\n\nShe is 19. Maybe in a few years she will have more mature insults. It’s a lot of pressure to be put on someone so young to also say the perfect thing all the time"
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Really is he squirming?
He's rich he's popular and now he's gotten someone he disagrees with to repeat his ideology and platform spreading it to a wider audience.
I'd argue he's happy for the attention and popularity that she's given to him now and enjoying the increased sales in his business as more men who feel marginalized and left out join him seeing this hypocrisy playing out. Not to mention all the political players( internationally) who were against climate action seeing all this and aligning themselves appropriately, possibly propping him up and making him something more than what he actually is- An ignorant troll.
Engage with a troll and you only give them more power. The tweet was dumb and people should know better.
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"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult.",
">\n\nIt's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh.",
">\n\nHonestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV",
">\n\nPeople can make mistakes and this was one of them.. so we can all just criticize her reply fairly and move on. No need for acute mental gymnastics to defend her as this comments section is showing lmao.",
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">\n\nI don't think anyone is arguing it's not offensive. I'm pretty sure she was trying to offend insecure men. Apparently with great success.",
">\n\nShe was trying to offend men who were insecure about their body image?\nHow is that not body shaming?",
">\n\nIt is, but we playing the avoidance and rationalization game",
">\n\nbecause women invented \"small dick energy\"\nharsh, sad. but we go jim🗿",
">\n\nOP never mentioned women tho. Post is strictly about why it's offensive. Do you disagree that it's not offensive or you think it's a trivial matter to make fun of that men's mental health doesn't matter as much?",
">\n\nThe female equivalent is\n\"Loose Pussy Energy\".\nThe typical man-hate hypocrisy commonly going around is beyond obvious. And it is an attack on All men and boys not just some.",
">\n\nNot a disagreement per se, but also worth noting that it’s transphobic. Which is to say, it insults all men by reinforcing patriarchy and punching down to two groups of men.",
">\n\nShe said small dick energy. Not that he had a small dick (though, come on). She used that phrase BECAUSE it's Tate. She's not a moron.\nHe is, as evidenced by his life to this point and his two responses to Thunberg, which were epically pathetic, is a moron and didn't seem to get it, though he doesn't get a lot.",
">\n\nThis is worse than saying he has a small dick, because how would she know, and that would just be dismissed as stupid.\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\nI can't understand the mental gymnastics some people are doing to try and say this isn't body shaming.",
">\n\n\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\n\nI mean yeah -- kind of like how pussy is an insult denoting cowardice, cunt is an insult meaning basically, terrible, etc., \nShe used that on purpose. Are you making CMV every time you see someone calling someone else a pussy?",
">\n\nPussy is kind of already known to be a shitty gendered insult so it doesn't need a CMV. In this case, Greta's gendered \"having a small penis is bad\" tweet is massively amplified, reached r/all on a shitload of subs, etc. so some discussion about whether or not that is cool is warranted",
">\n\nSmall dick energy isn’t about having a small dick tho. It’s a reflection of an attitude that men who are offensive, aggressive, nasty to people are overcompensating for their insecurities. A small dick doesn’t mean you won’t be able to find a partner or that you’re any less of a man. Being a downright trash bag of a human to others, like in this instance where an internet edgelord is cyber bullying a teenager on the internet who is fighting for the survival of our planet/humanity is an example of this trash behavior, is more of a determining factor. \nYou can also have a small dick but have big dick energy, as it’s reflective of who you are as a person. It’s an attitude. It’s who you choose to be to yourself and others. Hell, there’s women who use the term that they have big dick energy and I can tell you those women’s dicks are none existent so therefore size isn’t a thing. \nNo one should be made fun of for something they had no control over. The worth of a man is not tied to the size of his penis. Although, toxic masculinity and shallow people will tell you different. They say the same for disabled people, fat people etc. There’s plenty of people who are not “conventional standards of beauty” which is the majority of us, that lead happy, healthy relationships. Those relationships start with yourself and understanding your worth as a person isn’t tied to what you look like or how big your junk is. \nThe point is if you choose to be a trash person like Tate, where your self worth is tied into how cruel/offensive you can be to other people, don’t be mad if people call you out for that trashy attitude. Your post definitely reeks of “men are the true victims” when clearly you didn’t seem to have a problem with a grown man cyber bullying a teenager.",
">\n\nI like how you imply that OP is a fan of a literal human trafficker because they point out that a body-shaming insult is body-shaming. Do you understand why associating a trait of someone's body with negative personality traits is bad?",
">\n\nNo because people like this always have exceptions that allow them to use the things they complain about. Cognitive gymnastics allows them to recognise shaming women and people of colour is bad, because society will eat them otherwise, but when someone shows up who deserves a bit of a roasting all of their social etiquette rules go out the window and the excuses come out as to why in this context it doesn't count.\n\"Ahh no, here it is a reflection of an attitude\" blah blah 3 paragraphs later and we've clouded over the simple fact that body shaming is body shaming and harms people you weren't intending to insult.",
">\n\nPeople like this? You’re assuming things about me because I am a character in your mind not a real person. I am not a monolith. We should not be body shaming people. I am explaining the other side of this issue and why people use these terms. You never asked if I use these same terms in my life. You assumed I do. I don’t. You didn’t even bother to read my response because if you did you would have realized this.",
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">\n\nYou can have smol pp but big pp energy and vice versa",
">\n\nSo why is the phrase small dick energy if it has nothing to do with having a small dick?",
">\n\nIdk man, I just work here.",
">\n\nYou know why. Lol cause small dick is associated with bad. And by insulting dicks you use this knowledge to offend, at the cost of body shaming people. \nStop feigning dumb just to avoid the reasoning lol",
">\n\nI can see how it would be offensive, and I wouldn’t use it myself. I feel like the phrase refers more to how someone acts as opposed to how they are endowed. And how it’s behavior and actions that make people think down of you not your penis.",
">\n\nPoint is that we, as a society, should encourage better insults that attack the comments of the person without necessarily having to equate it to something someone with a small dick.",
">\n\nWould you agree with me, that if Andrew clapped back with one of those that the internet would be up in arms about it?",
">\n\nYou mean the way that you are, here, on the internet, up in arms?",
">\n\nIm one person on reddit, theres no major backlash like there would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\nSee, what's happening here is that you are also looking at people who are \"one person on Reddit\" and pretending it's a major backlash. Andrew Tate says fucked up things about women all the time (in fact, it's kind of his whole schtick) and it's as much of a non-event as this is.",
">\n\nPlease link me to something fucked up hes said about women, and ill agree with you, two wrongs don't make a right.",
">\n\nHere's exhibit A.",
">\n\nSure I agree with you he has said fucked up stuff about women, it doesn't mean its okay to make a joke about small dick energy.\nDo you understand my point?",
">\n\nWe understand, it's just that your point is fucking stupid",
">\n\nYou have no idea what his point is, it's funny that people on this thread OP and others actually like Andrew Tate.\nIt proves that everyone is completely frothingly tribalistic with zero nuance.",
">\n\nIf someone is behaving insufferably, people are going to laugh at them for things that they wouldn’t find funny if it happened to someone they liked.\nFor example, is it funny when people go bankrupt? No. Would it be funny if someone like Andrew Tate went bankrupt after boasting about Bugattis and all of his mass wealth? Yes. This doesn’t mean people who would make fun of him for that are making fun of poverty or all people who lose their livelihoods, it would just be funny if it happened to that particular person. \nIn the same way, the idea that Tate does all the douchey, over the top macho things that he does in order to compensate for having a small penis is funny, whilst it not being funny to make fun of every person who has a small penis.",
">\n\nSubstitute fat. Is that ok?",
">\n\nDepends on what the fat person is doing. If the person is minding their own business then no, if the fat person is attacking other people’s appearances then yeah go for it.",
">\n\nInteresting take. Might want to play with that a bit. A lot of situations where your reasoning falls apart.",
">\n\nPeople insulted Trump for being fat when he tried to say he was like the most fit person ever. People make fun of Elon Musk's body. You can make the same type of insult to two different people and it come off two different ways. \nWhen you make your identity or argument around something it opens up certain insults and comebacks. \nTate's whole thing is trying to act like this \"alpha male\" when in reality he's a sex trafficking weirdo who pays women to hang out with him. It's totally fine to insult him with a childish insult. \nI also find that people worried or mad about this don't actually care about body image issues. They just want a gotcha moment for people. Because many would have shitty takes about fat people or whine about pc culture.",
">\n\nWhen you call some MF that doesn't necessarily mean you are a MF... I'm not saying it's okay to say abusing words but we still do use them.\nI don't think she said it in literal terms, it was completely literary. Also she only said it cause it was Tate who she said it to. Also if a woman has small tits and someone said to someone else that they have small tits energy, I don't think one who actually has small tits would mind it, cause she is not involved and it's kinda perfect way of irritating Tate.. cause he really cares about these things. \nWhen it comes to increasing the insecurity of someone who actually has small D and is insecure about it... She couldn't think so far cause all she wanted was to irritate Tate and she was successful",
">\n\nI don't think it even irritated him if that was her goal but definitely helped him with popularity. It just proves what he says people think of insecure men, it just moves them to him and he gains more influence. It was an ignorant reply in poor taste. Someone with much following and influence as Greta shouldn't be as irresponsible and the followers shouldn't be having to do mental gymnastics to defend her instead of seeing it as it is: body shaming against men.",
">\n\nIs this some kind of weird meta-game? Are Andrew Tate fans pretending to actually be offended by this stupid insult to prove a point? Does anybody actually think her retort was any sharper than a brick wrapped in a wet blanket?\nWhat is going on here?!",
">\n\n\nWhat is going on here?!\n\nAndrew Tate fans have a lot of small dick energy. That's whats going on.",
">\n\nWhy are people not allowed dislike tate (he's an absolute idiot and a grifter) and also to criticize obvious body shaming from a supposed progressive? If Biden started talking about \"N*gger energy\" criticizing Kanye for antisemitism, would that be ok in your eyes? Would you say that a black guy who doesn't like that must be an angry Kanye fan? Or is it disgustingly offensive towards all African Americans to use that type of language no matter what?",
">\n\nBecause it suits their narrative to frame it as if people are just defending tate. It's easier than just actually defending body shaming. Done deal.",
">\n\nI think Greta used that phrase not because she actually believes or wants to promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior, but because people like Andrew Tate believe and promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior. If Andrew Tate gets hurt because Greta says he has small dick energy, then maybe -- just maybe, with the tiniest bit of introspection -- he'll come to realize how hateful some of his language is.\nBullies like Andrew Tate don't really respond to logic or pleas for sympathy. The only way to maybe make them understand the hurt they cause is to inflict it on them, because they don't care about anyone but themselves. \nSo instead of putting the cart before the horse and blaming Greta for using an offensive phrase as an argumentative tactic, maybe blame the people who use the phrase to actually demean people.",
">\n\nCan we substitute fat instead and be justified?",
">\n\nYes people did that with Trump when he claimed to be the fittest person ever basically. If someone has a habit of insulting people a certain way or making certain claims then they open themselves up to specific insults. \nSometimes we'd find those insults not tasteful if said to other people. But I feel like most people equating this to fat insults don't actually care about fat people. A lot of people would also be like oh things are getting too pc or soft or woke when it comes to body positivity towards fat people. So for me it's hard to buy this line of reasoning as being truly valid or caring.",
">\n\nNo one said it has to be authentic caring. This sub is for exploring the intellectual arguments. Your perception of how authentic someone’s feelings towards fat people is basically irrelevant. Argue the point or don’t. Passing your authenticity test is a wierd standard to try to argue for.",
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">\n\nYes, making insults is offensive. That's the point.\nInsults that reference a body part are also offensive to people who are insecure about that body part. That's also kinda obvious.\nWhat do you want your mind changed about here? I'm unclear about what you think can be discussed about an insult meant to be insulting. Are you arguing that this insult is especially wrong in some way?\nHow is this not just you soapboxing?",
">\n\nThere's a reason as a society we don't use insults like \"retard\". This is in the same vein. You're attributing a negative thing with a man having a small penis. This is harmful as it perpetuates the stigma surrounding penis size which is outside ones control. Essentially it degrades a group of people who have nothing to do with it. OP wants to know whether or not this is reconciled. Reading the comments... It has not been. \nMaking gendered insults doesn't bother me truthfully but I can understand the frustration OP is expressing because were it to be a man making some edgy reference to a woman's lady parts being inadequate as a way to demean them then everyone would be outraged as opposed to cheering it on.",
">\n\nUsing “small dick” as an insult, or “loose pussy” isn’t really offensive unless you are insecure about the physical viability of your reproductive organs. \nBut, that doesn’t make it funny. It’s a really juvenile and uncreative way of ridiculing someone.",
">\n\nInsecure women are offended when they're fat shamed.\nIt's still body shaming.\nIt's still wrong.",
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">\n\nGuy randomly decides to flex on her by saying I HAVE CARS AND I LIKE TO GO VROOOOM. It's like when Piers decides that it's absolutely important to eat meat in front of vegans. It's not about penis size. It's just that smalldickenergy is a perfect explanation of why would someone decide to behave like this.",
">\n\nShe is 19. Maybe in a few years she will have more mature insults. It’s a lot of pressure to be put on someone so young to also say the perfect thing all the time",
">\n\nUnder nearly all circumstances, I agree with you.\nHowever, for a lot of people who have built a cult of personality around any given ideal, insults of the inoffensive type are completely commonplace. All they have to do is fend off one or two instances of this PG rated attacks, strawman them, call them snowflakes, and their following is bolstered and enhanced. Instead of having any negative effect, it becomes part of their inherent power.\nSometimes if you want to rattle a cult leader you have to hit with precision their most critical weakness and watch them implode. The fact that Tate is squirming so hard and doing everything he can to reclaim some of his dignity after Greta's clapback means that she has his number. Great isn't saying that having a small dick is bad, but knowing that Tate's entire personality is built about being an alpha male and that calling into question the size of his member will hurt him the most is what she was after. \nOf course, it wasn't classy and could be offensive to some. But as the saying goes, sometimes you have to fight fire with fire."
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I'm not commenting on whether or not his fans will like him more or if the controversy will inadvertently grant him a wider audience.
I'm commenting that Greta knew exactly where and how to hit him the hardest. Yes, he is definitely squirming. He has scrambled out half a dozen prepubescent "I know you are but what am I" tweets. Then he went and made the absolute cringiest response video. He's incensed by being talked down to by Greta and is overcompensating.
Did her tweet have any net positive effect on society? No. Did it ruffle Tate's feathers and make his blood boil? Yea. Would he have even cared if she called him a misogynistic prick? Absolutely not. He would have just told her to sit down and shut up, that misogyny is made up by inferior women blah blah blah...
Instead, his insecurities are eating him alive.
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"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult.",
">\n\nIt's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh.",
">\n\nHonestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV",
">\n\nPeople can make mistakes and this was one of them.. so we can all just criticize her reply fairly and move on. No need for acute mental gymnastics to defend her as this comments section is showing lmao.",
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">\n\nI don't think anyone is arguing it's not offensive. I'm pretty sure she was trying to offend insecure men. Apparently with great success.",
">\n\nShe was trying to offend men who were insecure about their body image?\nHow is that not body shaming?",
">\n\nIt is, but we playing the avoidance and rationalization game",
">\n\nbecause women invented \"small dick energy\"\nharsh, sad. but we go jim🗿",
">\n\nOP never mentioned women tho. Post is strictly about why it's offensive. Do you disagree that it's not offensive or you think it's a trivial matter to make fun of that men's mental health doesn't matter as much?",
">\n\nThe female equivalent is\n\"Loose Pussy Energy\".\nThe typical man-hate hypocrisy commonly going around is beyond obvious. And it is an attack on All men and boys not just some.",
">\n\nNot a disagreement per se, but also worth noting that it’s transphobic. Which is to say, it insults all men by reinforcing patriarchy and punching down to two groups of men.",
">\n\nShe said small dick energy. Not that he had a small dick (though, come on). She used that phrase BECAUSE it's Tate. She's not a moron.\nHe is, as evidenced by his life to this point and his two responses to Thunberg, which were epically pathetic, is a moron and didn't seem to get it, though he doesn't get a lot.",
">\n\nThis is worse than saying he has a small dick, because how would she know, and that would just be dismissed as stupid.\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\nI can't understand the mental gymnastics some people are doing to try and say this isn't body shaming.",
">\n\n\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\n\nI mean yeah -- kind of like how pussy is an insult denoting cowardice, cunt is an insult meaning basically, terrible, etc., \nShe used that on purpose. Are you making CMV every time you see someone calling someone else a pussy?",
">\n\nPussy is kind of already known to be a shitty gendered insult so it doesn't need a CMV. In this case, Greta's gendered \"having a small penis is bad\" tweet is massively amplified, reached r/all on a shitload of subs, etc. so some discussion about whether or not that is cool is warranted",
">\n\nSmall dick energy isn’t about having a small dick tho. It’s a reflection of an attitude that men who are offensive, aggressive, nasty to people are overcompensating for their insecurities. A small dick doesn’t mean you won’t be able to find a partner or that you’re any less of a man. Being a downright trash bag of a human to others, like in this instance where an internet edgelord is cyber bullying a teenager on the internet who is fighting for the survival of our planet/humanity is an example of this trash behavior, is more of a determining factor. \nYou can also have a small dick but have big dick energy, as it’s reflective of who you are as a person. It’s an attitude. It’s who you choose to be to yourself and others. Hell, there’s women who use the term that they have big dick energy and I can tell you those women’s dicks are none existent so therefore size isn’t a thing. \nNo one should be made fun of for something they had no control over. The worth of a man is not tied to the size of his penis. Although, toxic masculinity and shallow people will tell you different. They say the same for disabled people, fat people etc. There’s plenty of people who are not “conventional standards of beauty” which is the majority of us, that lead happy, healthy relationships. Those relationships start with yourself and understanding your worth as a person isn’t tied to what you look like or how big your junk is. \nThe point is if you choose to be a trash person like Tate, where your self worth is tied into how cruel/offensive you can be to other people, don’t be mad if people call you out for that trashy attitude. Your post definitely reeks of “men are the true victims” when clearly you didn’t seem to have a problem with a grown man cyber bullying a teenager.",
">\n\nI like how you imply that OP is a fan of a literal human trafficker because they point out that a body-shaming insult is body-shaming. Do you understand why associating a trait of someone's body with negative personality traits is bad?",
">\n\nNo because people like this always have exceptions that allow them to use the things they complain about. Cognitive gymnastics allows them to recognise shaming women and people of colour is bad, because society will eat them otherwise, but when someone shows up who deserves a bit of a roasting all of their social etiquette rules go out the window and the excuses come out as to why in this context it doesn't count.\n\"Ahh no, here it is a reflection of an attitude\" blah blah 3 paragraphs later and we've clouded over the simple fact that body shaming is body shaming and harms people you weren't intending to insult.",
">\n\nPeople like this? You’re assuming things about me because I am a character in your mind not a real person. I am not a monolith. We should not be body shaming people. I am explaining the other side of this issue and why people use these terms. You never asked if I use these same terms in my life. You assumed I do. I don’t. You didn’t even bother to read my response because if you did you would have realized this.",
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">\n\nYou can have smol pp but big pp energy and vice versa",
">\n\nSo why is the phrase small dick energy if it has nothing to do with having a small dick?",
">\n\nIdk man, I just work here.",
">\n\nYou know why. Lol cause small dick is associated with bad. And by insulting dicks you use this knowledge to offend, at the cost of body shaming people. \nStop feigning dumb just to avoid the reasoning lol",
">\n\nI can see how it would be offensive, and I wouldn’t use it myself. I feel like the phrase refers more to how someone acts as opposed to how they are endowed. And how it’s behavior and actions that make people think down of you not your penis.",
">\n\nPoint is that we, as a society, should encourage better insults that attack the comments of the person without necessarily having to equate it to something someone with a small dick.",
">\n\nWould you agree with me, that if Andrew clapped back with one of those that the internet would be up in arms about it?",
">\n\nYou mean the way that you are, here, on the internet, up in arms?",
">\n\nIm one person on reddit, theres no major backlash like there would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\nSee, what's happening here is that you are also looking at people who are \"one person on Reddit\" and pretending it's a major backlash. Andrew Tate says fucked up things about women all the time (in fact, it's kind of his whole schtick) and it's as much of a non-event as this is.",
">\n\nPlease link me to something fucked up hes said about women, and ill agree with you, two wrongs don't make a right.",
">\n\nHere's exhibit A.",
">\n\nSure I agree with you he has said fucked up stuff about women, it doesn't mean its okay to make a joke about small dick energy.\nDo you understand my point?",
">\n\nWe understand, it's just that your point is fucking stupid",
">\n\nYou have no idea what his point is, it's funny that people on this thread OP and others actually like Andrew Tate.\nIt proves that everyone is completely frothingly tribalistic with zero nuance.",
">\n\nIf someone is behaving insufferably, people are going to laugh at them for things that they wouldn’t find funny if it happened to someone they liked.\nFor example, is it funny when people go bankrupt? No. Would it be funny if someone like Andrew Tate went bankrupt after boasting about Bugattis and all of his mass wealth? Yes. This doesn’t mean people who would make fun of him for that are making fun of poverty or all people who lose their livelihoods, it would just be funny if it happened to that particular person. \nIn the same way, the idea that Tate does all the douchey, over the top macho things that he does in order to compensate for having a small penis is funny, whilst it not being funny to make fun of every person who has a small penis.",
">\n\nSubstitute fat. Is that ok?",
">\n\nDepends on what the fat person is doing. If the person is minding their own business then no, if the fat person is attacking other people’s appearances then yeah go for it.",
">\n\nInteresting take. Might want to play with that a bit. A lot of situations where your reasoning falls apart.",
">\n\nPeople insulted Trump for being fat when he tried to say he was like the most fit person ever. People make fun of Elon Musk's body. You can make the same type of insult to two different people and it come off two different ways. \nWhen you make your identity or argument around something it opens up certain insults and comebacks. \nTate's whole thing is trying to act like this \"alpha male\" when in reality he's a sex trafficking weirdo who pays women to hang out with him. It's totally fine to insult him with a childish insult. \nI also find that people worried or mad about this don't actually care about body image issues. They just want a gotcha moment for people. Because many would have shitty takes about fat people or whine about pc culture.",
">\n\nWhen you call some MF that doesn't necessarily mean you are a MF... I'm not saying it's okay to say abusing words but we still do use them.\nI don't think she said it in literal terms, it was completely literary. Also she only said it cause it was Tate who she said it to. Also if a woman has small tits and someone said to someone else that they have small tits energy, I don't think one who actually has small tits would mind it, cause she is not involved and it's kinda perfect way of irritating Tate.. cause he really cares about these things. \nWhen it comes to increasing the insecurity of someone who actually has small D and is insecure about it... She couldn't think so far cause all she wanted was to irritate Tate and she was successful",
">\n\nI don't think it even irritated him if that was her goal but definitely helped him with popularity. It just proves what he says people think of insecure men, it just moves them to him and he gains more influence. It was an ignorant reply in poor taste. Someone with much following and influence as Greta shouldn't be as irresponsible and the followers shouldn't be having to do mental gymnastics to defend her instead of seeing it as it is: body shaming against men.",
">\n\nIs this some kind of weird meta-game? Are Andrew Tate fans pretending to actually be offended by this stupid insult to prove a point? Does anybody actually think her retort was any sharper than a brick wrapped in a wet blanket?\nWhat is going on here?!",
">\n\n\nWhat is going on here?!\n\nAndrew Tate fans have a lot of small dick energy. That's whats going on.",
">\n\nWhy are people not allowed dislike tate (he's an absolute idiot and a grifter) and also to criticize obvious body shaming from a supposed progressive? If Biden started talking about \"N*gger energy\" criticizing Kanye for antisemitism, would that be ok in your eyes? Would you say that a black guy who doesn't like that must be an angry Kanye fan? Or is it disgustingly offensive towards all African Americans to use that type of language no matter what?",
">\n\nBecause it suits their narrative to frame it as if people are just defending tate. It's easier than just actually defending body shaming. Done deal.",
">\n\nI think Greta used that phrase not because she actually believes or wants to promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior, but because people like Andrew Tate believe and promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior. If Andrew Tate gets hurt because Greta says he has small dick energy, then maybe -- just maybe, with the tiniest bit of introspection -- he'll come to realize how hateful some of his language is.\nBullies like Andrew Tate don't really respond to logic or pleas for sympathy. The only way to maybe make them understand the hurt they cause is to inflict it on them, because they don't care about anyone but themselves. \nSo instead of putting the cart before the horse and blaming Greta for using an offensive phrase as an argumentative tactic, maybe blame the people who use the phrase to actually demean people.",
">\n\nCan we substitute fat instead and be justified?",
">\n\nYes people did that with Trump when he claimed to be the fittest person ever basically. If someone has a habit of insulting people a certain way or making certain claims then they open themselves up to specific insults. \nSometimes we'd find those insults not tasteful if said to other people. But I feel like most people equating this to fat insults don't actually care about fat people. A lot of people would also be like oh things are getting too pc or soft or woke when it comes to body positivity towards fat people. So for me it's hard to buy this line of reasoning as being truly valid or caring.",
">\n\nNo one said it has to be authentic caring. This sub is for exploring the intellectual arguments. Your perception of how authentic someone’s feelings towards fat people is basically irrelevant. Argue the point or don’t. Passing your authenticity test is a wierd standard to try to argue for.",
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">\n\nYes, making insults is offensive. That's the point.\nInsults that reference a body part are also offensive to people who are insecure about that body part. That's also kinda obvious.\nWhat do you want your mind changed about here? I'm unclear about what you think can be discussed about an insult meant to be insulting. Are you arguing that this insult is especially wrong in some way?\nHow is this not just you soapboxing?",
">\n\nThere's a reason as a society we don't use insults like \"retard\". This is in the same vein. You're attributing a negative thing with a man having a small penis. This is harmful as it perpetuates the stigma surrounding penis size which is outside ones control. Essentially it degrades a group of people who have nothing to do with it. OP wants to know whether or not this is reconciled. Reading the comments... It has not been. \nMaking gendered insults doesn't bother me truthfully but I can understand the frustration OP is expressing because were it to be a man making some edgy reference to a woman's lady parts being inadequate as a way to demean them then everyone would be outraged as opposed to cheering it on.",
">\n\nUsing “small dick” as an insult, or “loose pussy” isn’t really offensive unless you are insecure about the physical viability of your reproductive organs. \nBut, that doesn’t make it funny. It’s a really juvenile and uncreative way of ridiculing someone.",
">\n\nInsecure women are offended when they're fat shamed.\nIt's still body shaming.\nIt's still wrong.",
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">\n\nGuy randomly decides to flex on her by saying I HAVE CARS AND I LIKE TO GO VROOOOM. It's like when Piers decides that it's absolutely important to eat meat in front of vegans. It's not about penis size. It's just that smalldickenergy is a perfect explanation of why would someone decide to behave like this.",
">\n\nShe is 19. Maybe in a few years she will have more mature insults. It’s a lot of pressure to be put on someone so young to also say the perfect thing all the time",
">\n\nUnder nearly all circumstances, I agree with you.\nHowever, for a lot of people who have built a cult of personality around any given ideal, insults of the inoffensive type are completely commonplace. All they have to do is fend off one or two instances of this PG rated attacks, strawman them, call them snowflakes, and their following is bolstered and enhanced. Instead of having any negative effect, it becomes part of their inherent power.\nSometimes if you want to rattle a cult leader you have to hit with precision their most critical weakness and watch them implode. The fact that Tate is squirming so hard and doing everything he can to reclaim some of his dignity after Greta's clapback means that she has his number. Great isn't saying that having a small dick is bad, but knowing that Tate's entire personality is built about being an alpha male and that calling into question the size of his member will hurt him the most is what she was after. \nOf course, it wasn't classy and could be offensive to some. But as the saying goes, sometimes you have to fight fire with fire.",
">\n\nReally is he squirming? \nHe's rich he's popular and now he's gotten someone he disagrees with to repeat his ideology and platform spreading it to a wider audience. \nI'd argue he's happy for the attention and popularity that she's given to him now and enjoying the increased sales in his business as more men who feel marginalized and left out join him seeing this hypocrisy playing out. Not to mention all the political players( internationally) who were against climate action seeing all this and aligning themselves appropriately, possibly propping him up and making him something more than what he actually is- An ignorant troll. \nEngage with a troll and you only give them more power. The tweet was dumb and people should know better.\nEdit: spacing"
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Why even respond and give him attention that he so desperately craves? And why body shame men in the process?
If she didn't have a better insult she could have just went on with her life instead of helping him grow. Using "small dick energy" as an insult means implicitly we agree that people with small penises are inferior and undesirable. That's basically what Tate is on about ( Toxic masculinity). And by laughing at her tweet we all reinforce that perception. Do you get that?
Sick of double standards and hypocrisy. At least people should have the courage to own up and acknowledge it then move on instead of doubling down and performing mental gymnastics to justify an obvious case of body shaming.
I agree with you on one thing that the net effect on society because of this tweet exchange is negative and only serves the people who Greta and her followers hate.
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"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult.",
">\n\nIt's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh.",
">\n\nHonestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV",
">\n\nPeople can make mistakes and this was one of them.. so we can all just criticize her reply fairly and move on. No need for acute mental gymnastics to defend her as this comments section is showing lmao.",
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">\n\nI don't think anyone is arguing it's not offensive. I'm pretty sure she was trying to offend insecure men. Apparently with great success.",
">\n\nShe was trying to offend men who were insecure about their body image?\nHow is that not body shaming?",
">\n\nIt is, but we playing the avoidance and rationalization game",
">\n\nbecause women invented \"small dick energy\"\nharsh, sad. but we go jim🗿",
">\n\nOP never mentioned women tho. Post is strictly about why it's offensive. Do you disagree that it's not offensive or you think it's a trivial matter to make fun of that men's mental health doesn't matter as much?",
">\n\nThe female equivalent is\n\"Loose Pussy Energy\".\nThe typical man-hate hypocrisy commonly going around is beyond obvious. And it is an attack on All men and boys not just some.",
">\n\nNot a disagreement per se, but also worth noting that it’s transphobic. Which is to say, it insults all men by reinforcing patriarchy and punching down to two groups of men.",
">\n\nShe said small dick energy. Not that he had a small dick (though, come on). She used that phrase BECAUSE it's Tate. She's not a moron.\nHe is, as evidenced by his life to this point and his two responses to Thunberg, which were epically pathetic, is a moron and didn't seem to get it, though he doesn't get a lot.",
">\n\nThis is worse than saying he has a small dick, because how would she know, and that would just be dismissed as stupid.\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\nI can't understand the mental gymnastics some people are doing to try and say this isn't body shaming.",
">\n\n\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\n\nI mean yeah -- kind of like how pussy is an insult denoting cowardice, cunt is an insult meaning basically, terrible, etc., \nShe used that on purpose. Are you making CMV every time you see someone calling someone else a pussy?",
">\n\nPussy is kind of already known to be a shitty gendered insult so it doesn't need a CMV. In this case, Greta's gendered \"having a small penis is bad\" tweet is massively amplified, reached r/all on a shitload of subs, etc. so some discussion about whether or not that is cool is warranted",
">\n\nSmall dick energy isn’t about having a small dick tho. It’s a reflection of an attitude that men who are offensive, aggressive, nasty to people are overcompensating for their insecurities. A small dick doesn’t mean you won’t be able to find a partner or that you’re any less of a man. Being a downright trash bag of a human to others, like in this instance where an internet edgelord is cyber bullying a teenager on the internet who is fighting for the survival of our planet/humanity is an example of this trash behavior, is more of a determining factor. \nYou can also have a small dick but have big dick energy, as it’s reflective of who you are as a person. It’s an attitude. It’s who you choose to be to yourself and others. Hell, there’s women who use the term that they have big dick energy and I can tell you those women’s dicks are none existent so therefore size isn’t a thing. \nNo one should be made fun of for something they had no control over. The worth of a man is not tied to the size of his penis. Although, toxic masculinity and shallow people will tell you different. They say the same for disabled people, fat people etc. There’s plenty of people who are not “conventional standards of beauty” which is the majority of us, that lead happy, healthy relationships. Those relationships start with yourself and understanding your worth as a person isn’t tied to what you look like or how big your junk is. \nThe point is if you choose to be a trash person like Tate, where your self worth is tied into how cruel/offensive you can be to other people, don’t be mad if people call you out for that trashy attitude. Your post definitely reeks of “men are the true victims” when clearly you didn’t seem to have a problem with a grown man cyber bullying a teenager.",
">\n\nI like how you imply that OP is a fan of a literal human trafficker because they point out that a body-shaming insult is body-shaming. Do you understand why associating a trait of someone's body with negative personality traits is bad?",
">\n\nNo because people like this always have exceptions that allow them to use the things they complain about. Cognitive gymnastics allows them to recognise shaming women and people of colour is bad, because society will eat them otherwise, but when someone shows up who deserves a bit of a roasting all of their social etiquette rules go out the window and the excuses come out as to why in this context it doesn't count.\n\"Ahh no, here it is a reflection of an attitude\" blah blah 3 paragraphs later and we've clouded over the simple fact that body shaming is body shaming and harms people you weren't intending to insult.",
">\n\nPeople like this? You’re assuming things about me because I am a character in your mind not a real person. I am not a monolith. We should not be body shaming people. I am explaining the other side of this issue and why people use these terms. You never asked if I use these same terms in my life. You assumed I do. I don’t. You didn’t even bother to read my response because if you did you would have realized this.",
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">\n\nYou can have smol pp but big pp energy and vice versa",
">\n\nSo why is the phrase small dick energy if it has nothing to do with having a small dick?",
">\n\nIdk man, I just work here.",
">\n\nYou know why. Lol cause small dick is associated with bad. And by insulting dicks you use this knowledge to offend, at the cost of body shaming people. \nStop feigning dumb just to avoid the reasoning lol",
">\n\nI can see how it would be offensive, and I wouldn’t use it myself. I feel like the phrase refers more to how someone acts as opposed to how they are endowed. And how it’s behavior and actions that make people think down of you not your penis.",
">\n\nPoint is that we, as a society, should encourage better insults that attack the comments of the person without necessarily having to equate it to something someone with a small dick.",
">\n\nWould you agree with me, that if Andrew clapped back with one of those that the internet would be up in arms about it?",
">\n\nYou mean the way that you are, here, on the internet, up in arms?",
">\n\nIm one person on reddit, theres no major backlash like there would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\nSee, what's happening here is that you are also looking at people who are \"one person on Reddit\" and pretending it's a major backlash. Andrew Tate says fucked up things about women all the time (in fact, it's kind of his whole schtick) and it's as much of a non-event as this is.",
">\n\nPlease link me to something fucked up hes said about women, and ill agree with you, two wrongs don't make a right.",
">\n\nHere's exhibit A.",
">\n\nSure I agree with you he has said fucked up stuff about women, it doesn't mean its okay to make a joke about small dick energy.\nDo you understand my point?",
">\n\nWe understand, it's just that your point is fucking stupid",
">\n\nYou have no idea what his point is, it's funny that people on this thread OP and others actually like Andrew Tate.\nIt proves that everyone is completely frothingly tribalistic with zero nuance.",
">\n\nIf someone is behaving insufferably, people are going to laugh at them for things that they wouldn’t find funny if it happened to someone they liked.\nFor example, is it funny when people go bankrupt? No. Would it be funny if someone like Andrew Tate went bankrupt after boasting about Bugattis and all of his mass wealth? Yes. This doesn’t mean people who would make fun of him for that are making fun of poverty or all people who lose their livelihoods, it would just be funny if it happened to that particular person. \nIn the same way, the idea that Tate does all the douchey, over the top macho things that he does in order to compensate for having a small penis is funny, whilst it not being funny to make fun of every person who has a small penis.",
">\n\nSubstitute fat. Is that ok?",
">\n\nDepends on what the fat person is doing. If the person is minding their own business then no, if the fat person is attacking other people’s appearances then yeah go for it.",
">\n\nInteresting take. Might want to play with that a bit. A lot of situations where your reasoning falls apart.",
">\n\nPeople insulted Trump for being fat when he tried to say he was like the most fit person ever. People make fun of Elon Musk's body. You can make the same type of insult to two different people and it come off two different ways. \nWhen you make your identity or argument around something it opens up certain insults and comebacks. \nTate's whole thing is trying to act like this \"alpha male\" when in reality he's a sex trafficking weirdo who pays women to hang out with him. It's totally fine to insult him with a childish insult. \nI also find that people worried or mad about this don't actually care about body image issues. They just want a gotcha moment for people. Because many would have shitty takes about fat people or whine about pc culture.",
">\n\nWhen you call some MF that doesn't necessarily mean you are a MF... I'm not saying it's okay to say abusing words but we still do use them.\nI don't think she said it in literal terms, it was completely literary. Also she only said it cause it was Tate who she said it to. Also if a woman has small tits and someone said to someone else that they have small tits energy, I don't think one who actually has small tits would mind it, cause she is not involved and it's kinda perfect way of irritating Tate.. cause he really cares about these things. \nWhen it comes to increasing the insecurity of someone who actually has small D and is insecure about it... She couldn't think so far cause all she wanted was to irritate Tate and she was successful",
">\n\nI don't think it even irritated him if that was her goal but definitely helped him with popularity. It just proves what he says people think of insecure men, it just moves them to him and he gains more influence. It was an ignorant reply in poor taste. Someone with much following and influence as Greta shouldn't be as irresponsible and the followers shouldn't be having to do mental gymnastics to defend her instead of seeing it as it is: body shaming against men.",
">\n\nIs this some kind of weird meta-game? Are Andrew Tate fans pretending to actually be offended by this stupid insult to prove a point? Does anybody actually think her retort was any sharper than a brick wrapped in a wet blanket?\nWhat is going on here?!",
">\n\n\nWhat is going on here?!\n\nAndrew Tate fans have a lot of small dick energy. That's whats going on.",
">\n\nWhy are people not allowed dislike tate (he's an absolute idiot and a grifter) and also to criticize obvious body shaming from a supposed progressive? If Biden started talking about \"N*gger energy\" criticizing Kanye for antisemitism, would that be ok in your eyes? Would you say that a black guy who doesn't like that must be an angry Kanye fan? Or is it disgustingly offensive towards all African Americans to use that type of language no matter what?",
">\n\nBecause it suits their narrative to frame it as if people are just defending tate. It's easier than just actually defending body shaming. Done deal.",
">\n\nI think Greta used that phrase not because she actually believes or wants to promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior, but because people like Andrew Tate believe and promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior. If Andrew Tate gets hurt because Greta says he has small dick energy, then maybe -- just maybe, with the tiniest bit of introspection -- he'll come to realize how hateful some of his language is.\nBullies like Andrew Tate don't really respond to logic or pleas for sympathy. The only way to maybe make them understand the hurt they cause is to inflict it on them, because they don't care about anyone but themselves. \nSo instead of putting the cart before the horse and blaming Greta for using an offensive phrase as an argumentative tactic, maybe blame the people who use the phrase to actually demean people.",
">\n\nCan we substitute fat instead and be justified?",
">\n\nYes people did that with Trump when he claimed to be the fittest person ever basically. If someone has a habit of insulting people a certain way or making certain claims then they open themselves up to specific insults. \nSometimes we'd find those insults not tasteful if said to other people. But I feel like most people equating this to fat insults don't actually care about fat people. A lot of people would also be like oh things are getting too pc or soft or woke when it comes to body positivity towards fat people. So for me it's hard to buy this line of reasoning as being truly valid or caring.",
">\n\nNo one said it has to be authentic caring. This sub is for exploring the intellectual arguments. Your perception of how authentic someone’s feelings towards fat people is basically irrelevant. Argue the point or don’t. Passing your authenticity test is a wierd standard to try to argue for.",
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">\n\nYes, making insults is offensive. That's the point.\nInsults that reference a body part are also offensive to people who are insecure about that body part. That's also kinda obvious.\nWhat do you want your mind changed about here? I'm unclear about what you think can be discussed about an insult meant to be insulting. Are you arguing that this insult is especially wrong in some way?\nHow is this not just you soapboxing?",
">\n\nThere's a reason as a society we don't use insults like \"retard\". This is in the same vein. You're attributing a negative thing with a man having a small penis. This is harmful as it perpetuates the stigma surrounding penis size which is outside ones control. Essentially it degrades a group of people who have nothing to do with it. OP wants to know whether or not this is reconciled. Reading the comments... It has not been. \nMaking gendered insults doesn't bother me truthfully but I can understand the frustration OP is expressing because were it to be a man making some edgy reference to a woman's lady parts being inadequate as a way to demean them then everyone would be outraged as opposed to cheering it on.",
">\n\nUsing “small dick” as an insult, or “loose pussy” isn’t really offensive unless you are insecure about the physical viability of your reproductive organs. \nBut, that doesn’t make it funny. It’s a really juvenile and uncreative way of ridiculing someone.",
">\n\nInsecure women are offended when they're fat shamed.\nIt's still body shaming.\nIt's still wrong.",
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">\n\nGuy randomly decides to flex on her by saying I HAVE CARS AND I LIKE TO GO VROOOOM. It's like when Piers decides that it's absolutely important to eat meat in front of vegans. It's not about penis size. It's just that smalldickenergy is a perfect explanation of why would someone decide to behave like this.",
">\n\nShe is 19. Maybe in a few years she will have more mature insults. It’s a lot of pressure to be put on someone so young to also say the perfect thing all the time",
">\n\nUnder nearly all circumstances, I agree with you.\nHowever, for a lot of people who have built a cult of personality around any given ideal, insults of the inoffensive type are completely commonplace. All they have to do is fend off one or two instances of this PG rated attacks, strawman them, call them snowflakes, and their following is bolstered and enhanced. Instead of having any negative effect, it becomes part of their inherent power.\nSometimes if you want to rattle a cult leader you have to hit with precision their most critical weakness and watch them implode. The fact that Tate is squirming so hard and doing everything he can to reclaim some of his dignity after Greta's clapback means that she has his number. Great isn't saying that having a small dick is bad, but knowing that Tate's entire personality is built about being an alpha male and that calling into question the size of his member will hurt him the most is what she was after. \nOf course, it wasn't classy and could be offensive to some. But as the saying goes, sometimes you have to fight fire with fire.",
">\n\nReally is he squirming? \nHe's rich he's popular and now he's gotten someone he disagrees with to repeat his ideology and platform spreading it to a wider audience. \nI'd argue he's happy for the attention and popularity that she's given to him now and enjoying the increased sales in his business as more men who feel marginalized and left out join him seeing this hypocrisy playing out. Not to mention all the political players( internationally) who were against climate action seeing all this and aligning themselves appropriately, possibly propping him up and making him something more than what he actually is- An ignorant troll. \nEngage with a troll and you only give them more power. The tweet was dumb and people should know better.\nEdit: spacing",
">\n\nI'm not commenting on whether or not his fans will like him more or if the controversy will inadvertently grant him a wider audience. \nI'm commenting that Greta knew exactly where and how to hit him the hardest. Yes, he is definitely squirming. He has scrambled out half a dozen prepubescent \"I know you are but what am I\" tweets. Then he went and made the absolute cringiest response video. He's incensed by being talked down to by Greta and is overcompensating. \nDid her tweet have any net positive effect on society? No. Did it ruffle Tate's feathers and make his blood boil? Yea. Would he have even cared if she called him a misogynistic prick? Absolutely not. He would have just told her to sit down and shut up, that misogyny is made up by inferior women blah blah blah...\nInstead, his insecurities are eating him alive."
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I think you are missing what I am saying. I fully agree that it wasn't necessary nor was it the right thing for Greta to do. I also agree that it just gives him attention and was overall a useless venture other for the entertainment of Tate haters.
OP asked why it is okay. I stated that it isn't okay but that I understand why Greta took that road rather than the suggested non-offensive approach. It is because he's immune to it. What he isn't immune to is his masculinity and ego being questioned. What is the point of the Wolf continuing to blow on the brick house? None. To get to the scared little piggies inside he needs a jackhammer.
And it worked exactly how she planned it to. He was rattled and anyone who hates Tate is amused.
Not saying it's the right thing to do, nor do I want anyone to feel ashamed of the size of their penis.
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"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult.",
">\n\nIt's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh.",
">\n\nHonestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV",
">\n\nPeople can make mistakes and this was one of them.. so we can all just criticize her reply fairly and move on. No need for acute mental gymnastics to defend her as this comments section is showing lmao.",
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">\n\nI don't think anyone is arguing it's not offensive. I'm pretty sure she was trying to offend insecure men. Apparently with great success.",
">\n\nShe was trying to offend men who were insecure about their body image?\nHow is that not body shaming?",
">\n\nIt is, but we playing the avoidance and rationalization game",
">\n\nbecause women invented \"small dick energy\"\nharsh, sad. but we go jim🗿",
">\n\nOP never mentioned women tho. Post is strictly about why it's offensive. Do you disagree that it's not offensive or you think it's a trivial matter to make fun of that men's mental health doesn't matter as much?",
">\n\nThe female equivalent is\n\"Loose Pussy Energy\".\nThe typical man-hate hypocrisy commonly going around is beyond obvious. And it is an attack on All men and boys not just some.",
">\n\nNot a disagreement per se, but also worth noting that it’s transphobic. Which is to say, it insults all men by reinforcing patriarchy and punching down to two groups of men.",
">\n\nShe said small dick energy. Not that he had a small dick (though, come on). She used that phrase BECAUSE it's Tate. She's not a moron.\nHe is, as evidenced by his life to this point and his two responses to Thunberg, which were epically pathetic, is a moron and didn't seem to get it, though he doesn't get a lot.",
">\n\nThis is worse than saying he has a small dick, because how would she know, and that would just be dismissed as stupid.\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\nI can't understand the mental gymnastics some people are doing to try and say this isn't body shaming.",
">\n\n\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\n\nI mean yeah -- kind of like how pussy is an insult denoting cowardice, cunt is an insult meaning basically, terrible, etc., \nShe used that on purpose. Are you making CMV every time you see someone calling someone else a pussy?",
">\n\nPussy is kind of already known to be a shitty gendered insult so it doesn't need a CMV. In this case, Greta's gendered \"having a small penis is bad\" tweet is massively amplified, reached r/all on a shitload of subs, etc. so some discussion about whether or not that is cool is warranted",
">\n\nSmall dick energy isn’t about having a small dick tho. It’s a reflection of an attitude that men who are offensive, aggressive, nasty to people are overcompensating for their insecurities. A small dick doesn’t mean you won’t be able to find a partner or that you’re any less of a man. Being a downright trash bag of a human to others, like in this instance where an internet edgelord is cyber bullying a teenager on the internet who is fighting for the survival of our planet/humanity is an example of this trash behavior, is more of a determining factor. \nYou can also have a small dick but have big dick energy, as it’s reflective of who you are as a person. It’s an attitude. It’s who you choose to be to yourself and others. Hell, there’s women who use the term that they have big dick energy and I can tell you those women’s dicks are none existent so therefore size isn’t a thing. \nNo one should be made fun of for something they had no control over. The worth of a man is not tied to the size of his penis. Although, toxic masculinity and shallow people will tell you different. They say the same for disabled people, fat people etc. There’s plenty of people who are not “conventional standards of beauty” which is the majority of us, that lead happy, healthy relationships. Those relationships start with yourself and understanding your worth as a person isn’t tied to what you look like or how big your junk is. \nThe point is if you choose to be a trash person like Tate, where your self worth is tied into how cruel/offensive you can be to other people, don’t be mad if people call you out for that trashy attitude. Your post definitely reeks of “men are the true victims” when clearly you didn’t seem to have a problem with a grown man cyber bullying a teenager.",
">\n\nI like how you imply that OP is a fan of a literal human trafficker because they point out that a body-shaming insult is body-shaming. Do you understand why associating a trait of someone's body with negative personality traits is bad?",
">\n\nNo because people like this always have exceptions that allow them to use the things they complain about. Cognitive gymnastics allows them to recognise shaming women and people of colour is bad, because society will eat them otherwise, but when someone shows up who deserves a bit of a roasting all of their social etiquette rules go out the window and the excuses come out as to why in this context it doesn't count.\n\"Ahh no, here it is a reflection of an attitude\" blah blah 3 paragraphs later and we've clouded over the simple fact that body shaming is body shaming and harms people you weren't intending to insult.",
">\n\nPeople like this? You’re assuming things about me because I am a character in your mind not a real person. I am not a monolith. We should not be body shaming people. I am explaining the other side of this issue and why people use these terms. You never asked if I use these same terms in my life. You assumed I do. I don’t. You didn’t even bother to read my response because if you did you would have realized this.",
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">\n\nYou can have smol pp but big pp energy and vice versa",
">\n\nSo why is the phrase small dick energy if it has nothing to do with having a small dick?",
">\n\nIdk man, I just work here.",
">\n\nYou know why. Lol cause small dick is associated with bad. And by insulting dicks you use this knowledge to offend, at the cost of body shaming people. \nStop feigning dumb just to avoid the reasoning lol",
">\n\nI can see how it would be offensive, and I wouldn’t use it myself. I feel like the phrase refers more to how someone acts as opposed to how they are endowed. And how it’s behavior and actions that make people think down of you not your penis.",
">\n\nPoint is that we, as a society, should encourage better insults that attack the comments of the person without necessarily having to equate it to something someone with a small dick.",
">\n\nWould you agree with me, that if Andrew clapped back with one of those that the internet would be up in arms about it?",
">\n\nYou mean the way that you are, here, on the internet, up in arms?",
">\n\nIm one person on reddit, theres no major backlash like there would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\nSee, what's happening here is that you are also looking at people who are \"one person on Reddit\" and pretending it's a major backlash. Andrew Tate says fucked up things about women all the time (in fact, it's kind of his whole schtick) and it's as much of a non-event as this is.",
">\n\nPlease link me to something fucked up hes said about women, and ill agree with you, two wrongs don't make a right.",
">\n\nHere's exhibit A.",
">\n\nSure I agree with you he has said fucked up stuff about women, it doesn't mean its okay to make a joke about small dick energy.\nDo you understand my point?",
">\n\nWe understand, it's just that your point is fucking stupid",
">\n\nYou have no idea what his point is, it's funny that people on this thread OP and others actually like Andrew Tate.\nIt proves that everyone is completely frothingly tribalistic with zero nuance.",
">\n\nIf someone is behaving insufferably, people are going to laugh at them for things that they wouldn’t find funny if it happened to someone they liked.\nFor example, is it funny when people go bankrupt? No. Would it be funny if someone like Andrew Tate went bankrupt after boasting about Bugattis and all of his mass wealth? Yes. This doesn’t mean people who would make fun of him for that are making fun of poverty or all people who lose their livelihoods, it would just be funny if it happened to that particular person. \nIn the same way, the idea that Tate does all the douchey, over the top macho things that he does in order to compensate for having a small penis is funny, whilst it not being funny to make fun of every person who has a small penis.",
">\n\nSubstitute fat. Is that ok?",
">\n\nDepends on what the fat person is doing. If the person is minding their own business then no, if the fat person is attacking other people’s appearances then yeah go for it.",
">\n\nInteresting take. Might want to play with that a bit. A lot of situations where your reasoning falls apart.",
">\n\nPeople insulted Trump for being fat when he tried to say he was like the most fit person ever. People make fun of Elon Musk's body. You can make the same type of insult to two different people and it come off two different ways. \nWhen you make your identity or argument around something it opens up certain insults and comebacks. \nTate's whole thing is trying to act like this \"alpha male\" when in reality he's a sex trafficking weirdo who pays women to hang out with him. It's totally fine to insult him with a childish insult. \nI also find that people worried or mad about this don't actually care about body image issues. They just want a gotcha moment for people. Because many would have shitty takes about fat people or whine about pc culture.",
">\n\nWhen you call some MF that doesn't necessarily mean you are a MF... I'm not saying it's okay to say abusing words but we still do use them.\nI don't think she said it in literal terms, it was completely literary. Also she only said it cause it was Tate who she said it to. Also if a woman has small tits and someone said to someone else that they have small tits energy, I don't think one who actually has small tits would mind it, cause she is not involved and it's kinda perfect way of irritating Tate.. cause he really cares about these things. \nWhen it comes to increasing the insecurity of someone who actually has small D and is insecure about it... She couldn't think so far cause all she wanted was to irritate Tate and she was successful",
">\n\nI don't think it even irritated him if that was her goal but definitely helped him with popularity. It just proves what he says people think of insecure men, it just moves them to him and he gains more influence. It was an ignorant reply in poor taste. Someone with much following and influence as Greta shouldn't be as irresponsible and the followers shouldn't be having to do mental gymnastics to defend her instead of seeing it as it is: body shaming against men.",
">\n\nIs this some kind of weird meta-game? Are Andrew Tate fans pretending to actually be offended by this stupid insult to prove a point? Does anybody actually think her retort was any sharper than a brick wrapped in a wet blanket?\nWhat is going on here?!",
">\n\n\nWhat is going on here?!\n\nAndrew Tate fans have a lot of small dick energy. That's whats going on.",
">\n\nWhy are people not allowed dislike tate (he's an absolute idiot and a grifter) and also to criticize obvious body shaming from a supposed progressive? If Biden started talking about \"N*gger energy\" criticizing Kanye for antisemitism, would that be ok in your eyes? Would you say that a black guy who doesn't like that must be an angry Kanye fan? Or is it disgustingly offensive towards all African Americans to use that type of language no matter what?",
">\n\nBecause it suits their narrative to frame it as if people are just defending tate. It's easier than just actually defending body shaming. Done deal.",
">\n\nI think Greta used that phrase not because she actually believes or wants to promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior, but because people like Andrew Tate believe and promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior. If Andrew Tate gets hurt because Greta says he has small dick energy, then maybe -- just maybe, with the tiniest bit of introspection -- he'll come to realize how hateful some of his language is.\nBullies like Andrew Tate don't really respond to logic or pleas for sympathy. The only way to maybe make them understand the hurt they cause is to inflict it on them, because they don't care about anyone but themselves. \nSo instead of putting the cart before the horse and blaming Greta for using an offensive phrase as an argumentative tactic, maybe blame the people who use the phrase to actually demean people.",
">\n\nCan we substitute fat instead and be justified?",
">\n\nYes people did that with Trump when he claimed to be the fittest person ever basically. If someone has a habit of insulting people a certain way or making certain claims then they open themselves up to specific insults. \nSometimes we'd find those insults not tasteful if said to other people. But I feel like most people equating this to fat insults don't actually care about fat people. A lot of people would also be like oh things are getting too pc or soft or woke when it comes to body positivity towards fat people. So for me it's hard to buy this line of reasoning as being truly valid or caring.",
">\n\nNo one said it has to be authentic caring. This sub is for exploring the intellectual arguments. Your perception of how authentic someone’s feelings towards fat people is basically irrelevant. Argue the point or don’t. Passing your authenticity test is a wierd standard to try to argue for.",
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">\n\nYes, making insults is offensive. That's the point.\nInsults that reference a body part are also offensive to people who are insecure about that body part. That's also kinda obvious.\nWhat do you want your mind changed about here? I'm unclear about what you think can be discussed about an insult meant to be insulting. Are you arguing that this insult is especially wrong in some way?\nHow is this not just you soapboxing?",
">\n\nThere's a reason as a society we don't use insults like \"retard\". This is in the same vein. You're attributing a negative thing with a man having a small penis. This is harmful as it perpetuates the stigma surrounding penis size which is outside ones control. Essentially it degrades a group of people who have nothing to do with it. OP wants to know whether or not this is reconciled. Reading the comments... It has not been. \nMaking gendered insults doesn't bother me truthfully but I can understand the frustration OP is expressing because were it to be a man making some edgy reference to a woman's lady parts being inadequate as a way to demean them then everyone would be outraged as opposed to cheering it on.",
">\n\nUsing “small dick” as an insult, or “loose pussy” isn’t really offensive unless you are insecure about the physical viability of your reproductive organs. \nBut, that doesn’t make it funny. It’s a really juvenile and uncreative way of ridiculing someone.",
">\n\nInsecure women are offended when they're fat shamed.\nIt's still body shaming.\nIt's still wrong.",
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">\n\nGuy randomly decides to flex on her by saying I HAVE CARS AND I LIKE TO GO VROOOOM. It's like when Piers decides that it's absolutely important to eat meat in front of vegans. It's not about penis size. It's just that smalldickenergy is a perfect explanation of why would someone decide to behave like this.",
">\n\nShe is 19. Maybe in a few years she will have more mature insults. It’s a lot of pressure to be put on someone so young to also say the perfect thing all the time",
">\n\nUnder nearly all circumstances, I agree with you.\nHowever, for a lot of people who have built a cult of personality around any given ideal, insults of the inoffensive type are completely commonplace. All they have to do is fend off one or two instances of this PG rated attacks, strawman them, call them snowflakes, and their following is bolstered and enhanced. Instead of having any negative effect, it becomes part of their inherent power.\nSometimes if you want to rattle a cult leader you have to hit with precision their most critical weakness and watch them implode. The fact that Tate is squirming so hard and doing everything he can to reclaim some of his dignity after Greta's clapback means that she has his number. Great isn't saying that having a small dick is bad, but knowing that Tate's entire personality is built about being an alpha male and that calling into question the size of his member will hurt him the most is what she was after. \nOf course, it wasn't classy and could be offensive to some. But as the saying goes, sometimes you have to fight fire with fire.",
">\n\nReally is he squirming? \nHe's rich he's popular and now he's gotten someone he disagrees with to repeat his ideology and platform spreading it to a wider audience. \nI'd argue he's happy for the attention and popularity that she's given to him now and enjoying the increased sales in his business as more men who feel marginalized and left out join him seeing this hypocrisy playing out. Not to mention all the political players( internationally) who were against climate action seeing all this and aligning themselves appropriately, possibly propping him up and making him something more than what he actually is- An ignorant troll. \nEngage with a troll and you only give them more power. The tweet was dumb and people should know better.\nEdit: spacing",
">\n\nI'm not commenting on whether or not his fans will like him more or if the controversy will inadvertently grant him a wider audience. \nI'm commenting that Greta knew exactly where and how to hit him the hardest. Yes, he is definitely squirming. He has scrambled out half a dozen prepubescent \"I know you are but what am I\" tweets. Then he went and made the absolute cringiest response video. He's incensed by being talked down to by Greta and is overcompensating. \nDid her tweet have any net positive effect on society? No. Did it ruffle Tate's feathers and make his blood boil? Yea. Would he have even cared if she called him a misogynistic prick? Absolutely not. He would have just told her to sit down and shut up, that misogyny is made up by inferior women blah blah blah...\nInstead, his insecurities are eating him alive.",
">\n\nWhy even respond and give him attention that he so desperately craves? And why body shame men in the process? \nIf she didn't have a better insult she could have just went on with her life instead of helping him grow. Using \"small dick energy\" as an insult means implicitly we agree that people with small penises are inferior and undesirable. That's basically what Tate is on about ( Toxic masculinity). And by laughing at her tweet we all reinforce that perception. Do you get that? \nSick of double standards and hypocrisy. At least people should have the courage to own up and acknowledge it then move on instead of doubling down and performing mental gymnastics to justify an obvious case of body shaming.\nI agree with you on one thing that the net effect on society because of this tweet exchange is negative and only serves the people who Greta and her followers hate."
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Ok.. thanks for elaborating on that. I misunderstood your comment as a disagreement and engaged to try and change your mind but seems we share the same view.
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"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult.",
">\n\nIt's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh.",
">\n\nHonestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV",
">\n\nPeople can make mistakes and this was one of them.. so we can all just criticize her reply fairly and move on. No need for acute mental gymnastics to defend her as this comments section is showing lmao.",
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">\n\nI don't think anyone is arguing it's not offensive. I'm pretty sure she was trying to offend insecure men. Apparently with great success.",
">\n\nShe was trying to offend men who were insecure about their body image?\nHow is that not body shaming?",
">\n\nIt is, but we playing the avoidance and rationalization game",
">\n\nbecause women invented \"small dick energy\"\nharsh, sad. but we go jim🗿",
">\n\nOP never mentioned women tho. Post is strictly about why it's offensive. Do you disagree that it's not offensive or you think it's a trivial matter to make fun of that men's mental health doesn't matter as much?",
">\n\nThe female equivalent is\n\"Loose Pussy Energy\".\nThe typical man-hate hypocrisy commonly going around is beyond obvious. And it is an attack on All men and boys not just some.",
">\n\nNot a disagreement per se, but also worth noting that it’s transphobic. Which is to say, it insults all men by reinforcing patriarchy and punching down to two groups of men.",
">\n\nShe said small dick energy. Not that he had a small dick (though, come on). She used that phrase BECAUSE it's Tate. She's not a moron.\nHe is, as evidenced by his life to this point and his two responses to Thunberg, which were epically pathetic, is a moron and didn't seem to get it, though he doesn't get a lot.",
">\n\nThis is worse than saying he has a small dick, because how would she know, and that would just be dismissed as stupid.\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\nI can't understand the mental gymnastics some people are doing to try and say this isn't body shaming.",
">\n\n\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\n\nI mean yeah -- kind of like how pussy is an insult denoting cowardice, cunt is an insult meaning basically, terrible, etc., \nShe used that on purpose. Are you making CMV every time you see someone calling someone else a pussy?",
">\n\nPussy is kind of already known to be a shitty gendered insult so it doesn't need a CMV. In this case, Greta's gendered \"having a small penis is bad\" tweet is massively amplified, reached r/all on a shitload of subs, etc. so some discussion about whether or not that is cool is warranted",
">\n\nSmall dick energy isn’t about having a small dick tho. It’s a reflection of an attitude that men who are offensive, aggressive, nasty to people are overcompensating for their insecurities. A small dick doesn’t mean you won’t be able to find a partner or that you’re any less of a man. Being a downright trash bag of a human to others, like in this instance where an internet edgelord is cyber bullying a teenager on the internet who is fighting for the survival of our planet/humanity is an example of this trash behavior, is more of a determining factor. \nYou can also have a small dick but have big dick energy, as it’s reflective of who you are as a person. It’s an attitude. It’s who you choose to be to yourself and others. Hell, there’s women who use the term that they have big dick energy and I can tell you those women’s dicks are none existent so therefore size isn’t a thing. \nNo one should be made fun of for something they had no control over. The worth of a man is not tied to the size of his penis. Although, toxic masculinity and shallow people will tell you different. They say the same for disabled people, fat people etc. There’s plenty of people who are not “conventional standards of beauty” which is the majority of us, that lead happy, healthy relationships. Those relationships start with yourself and understanding your worth as a person isn’t tied to what you look like or how big your junk is. \nThe point is if you choose to be a trash person like Tate, where your self worth is tied into how cruel/offensive you can be to other people, don’t be mad if people call you out for that trashy attitude. Your post definitely reeks of “men are the true victims” when clearly you didn’t seem to have a problem with a grown man cyber bullying a teenager.",
">\n\nI like how you imply that OP is a fan of a literal human trafficker because they point out that a body-shaming insult is body-shaming. Do you understand why associating a trait of someone's body with negative personality traits is bad?",
">\n\nNo because people like this always have exceptions that allow them to use the things they complain about. Cognitive gymnastics allows them to recognise shaming women and people of colour is bad, because society will eat them otherwise, but when someone shows up who deserves a bit of a roasting all of their social etiquette rules go out the window and the excuses come out as to why in this context it doesn't count.\n\"Ahh no, here it is a reflection of an attitude\" blah blah 3 paragraphs later and we've clouded over the simple fact that body shaming is body shaming and harms people you weren't intending to insult.",
">\n\nPeople like this? You’re assuming things about me because I am a character in your mind not a real person. I am not a monolith. We should not be body shaming people. I am explaining the other side of this issue and why people use these terms. You never asked if I use these same terms in my life. You assumed I do. I don’t. You didn’t even bother to read my response because if you did you would have realized this.",
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">\n\nYou can have smol pp but big pp energy and vice versa",
">\n\nSo why is the phrase small dick energy if it has nothing to do with having a small dick?",
">\n\nIdk man, I just work here.",
">\n\nYou know why. Lol cause small dick is associated with bad. And by insulting dicks you use this knowledge to offend, at the cost of body shaming people. \nStop feigning dumb just to avoid the reasoning lol",
">\n\nI can see how it would be offensive, and I wouldn’t use it myself. I feel like the phrase refers more to how someone acts as opposed to how they are endowed. And how it’s behavior and actions that make people think down of you not your penis.",
">\n\nPoint is that we, as a society, should encourage better insults that attack the comments of the person without necessarily having to equate it to something someone with a small dick.",
">\n\nWould you agree with me, that if Andrew clapped back with one of those that the internet would be up in arms about it?",
">\n\nYou mean the way that you are, here, on the internet, up in arms?",
">\n\nIm one person on reddit, theres no major backlash like there would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\nSee, what's happening here is that you are also looking at people who are \"one person on Reddit\" and pretending it's a major backlash. Andrew Tate says fucked up things about women all the time (in fact, it's kind of his whole schtick) and it's as much of a non-event as this is.",
">\n\nPlease link me to something fucked up hes said about women, and ill agree with you, two wrongs don't make a right.",
">\n\nHere's exhibit A.",
">\n\nSure I agree with you he has said fucked up stuff about women, it doesn't mean its okay to make a joke about small dick energy.\nDo you understand my point?",
">\n\nWe understand, it's just that your point is fucking stupid",
">\n\nYou have no idea what his point is, it's funny that people on this thread OP and others actually like Andrew Tate.\nIt proves that everyone is completely frothingly tribalistic with zero nuance.",
">\n\nIf someone is behaving insufferably, people are going to laugh at them for things that they wouldn’t find funny if it happened to someone they liked.\nFor example, is it funny when people go bankrupt? No. Would it be funny if someone like Andrew Tate went bankrupt after boasting about Bugattis and all of his mass wealth? Yes. This doesn’t mean people who would make fun of him for that are making fun of poverty or all people who lose their livelihoods, it would just be funny if it happened to that particular person. \nIn the same way, the idea that Tate does all the douchey, over the top macho things that he does in order to compensate for having a small penis is funny, whilst it not being funny to make fun of every person who has a small penis.",
">\n\nSubstitute fat. Is that ok?",
">\n\nDepends on what the fat person is doing. If the person is minding their own business then no, if the fat person is attacking other people’s appearances then yeah go for it.",
">\n\nInteresting take. Might want to play with that a bit. A lot of situations where your reasoning falls apart.",
">\n\nPeople insulted Trump for being fat when he tried to say he was like the most fit person ever. People make fun of Elon Musk's body. You can make the same type of insult to two different people and it come off two different ways. \nWhen you make your identity or argument around something it opens up certain insults and comebacks. \nTate's whole thing is trying to act like this \"alpha male\" when in reality he's a sex trafficking weirdo who pays women to hang out with him. It's totally fine to insult him with a childish insult. \nI also find that people worried or mad about this don't actually care about body image issues. They just want a gotcha moment for people. Because many would have shitty takes about fat people or whine about pc culture.",
">\n\nWhen you call some MF that doesn't necessarily mean you are a MF... I'm not saying it's okay to say abusing words but we still do use them.\nI don't think she said it in literal terms, it was completely literary. Also she only said it cause it was Tate who she said it to. Also if a woman has small tits and someone said to someone else that they have small tits energy, I don't think one who actually has small tits would mind it, cause she is not involved and it's kinda perfect way of irritating Tate.. cause he really cares about these things. \nWhen it comes to increasing the insecurity of someone who actually has small D and is insecure about it... She couldn't think so far cause all she wanted was to irritate Tate and she was successful",
">\n\nI don't think it even irritated him if that was her goal but definitely helped him with popularity. It just proves what he says people think of insecure men, it just moves them to him and he gains more influence. It was an ignorant reply in poor taste. Someone with much following and influence as Greta shouldn't be as irresponsible and the followers shouldn't be having to do mental gymnastics to defend her instead of seeing it as it is: body shaming against men.",
">\n\nIs this some kind of weird meta-game? Are Andrew Tate fans pretending to actually be offended by this stupid insult to prove a point? Does anybody actually think her retort was any sharper than a brick wrapped in a wet blanket?\nWhat is going on here?!",
">\n\n\nWhat is going on here?!\n\nAndrew Tate fans have a lot of small dick energy. That's whats going on.",
">\n\nWhy are people not allowed dislike tate (he's an absolute idiot and a grifter) and also to criticize obvious body shaming from a supposed progressive? If Biden started talking about \"N*gger energy\" criticizing Kanye for antisemitism, would that be ok in your eyes? Would you say that a black guy who doesn't like that must be an angry Kanye fan? Or is it disgustingly offensive towards all African Americans to use that type of language no matter what?",
">\n\nBecause it suits their narrative to frame it as if people are just defending tate. It's easier than just actually defending body shaming. Done deal.",
">\n\nI think Greta used that phrase not because she actually believes or wants to promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior, but because people like Andrew Tate believe and promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior. If Andrew Tate gets hurt because Greta says he has small dick energy, then maybe -- just maybe, with the tiniest bit of introspection -- he'll come to realize how hateful some of his language is.\nBullies like Andrew Tate don't really respond to logic or pleas for sympathy. The only way to maybe make them understand the hurt they cause is to inflict it on them, because they don't care about anyone but themselves. \nSo instead of putting the cart before the horse and blaming Greta for using an offensive phrase as an argumentative tactic, maybe blame the people who use the phrase to actually demean people.",
">\n\nCan we substitute fat instead and be justified?",
">\n\nYes people did that with Trump when he claimed to be the fittest person ever basically. If someone has a habit of insulting people a certain way or making certain claims then they open themselves up to specific insults. \nSometimes we'd find those insults not tasteful if said to other people. But I feel like most people equating this to fat insults don't actually care about fat people. A lot of people would also be like oh things are getting too pc or soft or woke when it comes to body positivity towards fat people. So for me it's hard to buy this line of reasoning as being truly valid or caring.",
">\n\nNo one said it has to be authentic caring. This sub is for exploring the intellectual arguments. Your perception of how authentic someone’s feelings towards fat people is basically irrelevant. Argue the point or don’t. Passing your authenticity test is a wierd standard to try to argue for.",
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">\n\nYes, making insults is offensive. That's the point.\nInsults that reference a body part are also offensive to people who are insecure about that body part. That's also kinda obvious.\nWhat do you want your mind changed about here? I'm unclear about what you think can be discussed about an insult meant to be insulting. Are you arguing that this insult is especially wrong in some way?\nHow is this not just you soapboxing?",
">\n\nThere's a reason as a society we don't use insults like \"retard\". This is in the same vein. You're attributing a negative thing with a man having a small penis. This is harmful as it perpetuates the stigma surrounding penis size which is outside ones control. Essentially it degrades a group of people who have nothing to do with it. OP wants to know whether or not this is reconciled. Reading the comments... It has not been. \nMaking gendered insults doesn't bother me truthfully but I can understand the frustration OP is expressing because were it to be a man making some edgy reference to a woman's lady parts being inadequate as a way to demean them then everyone would be outraged as opposed to cheering it on.",
">\n\nUsing “small dick” as an insult, or “loose pussy” isn’t really offensive unless you are insecure about the physical viability of your reproductive organs. \nBut, that doesn’t make it funny. It’s a really juvenile and uncreative way of ridiculing someone.",
">\n\nInsecure women are offended when they're fat shamed.\nIt's still body shaming.\nIt's still wrong.",
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">\n\nGuy randomly decides to flex on her by saying I HAVE CARS AND I LIKE TO GO VROOOOM. It's like when Piers decides that it's absolutely important to eat meat in front of vegans. It's not about penis size. It's just that smalldickenergy is a perfect explanation of why would someone decide to behave like this.",
">\n\nShe is 19. Maybe in a few years she will have more mature insults. It’s a lot of pressure to be put on someone so young to also say the perfect thing all the time",
">\n\nUnder nearly all circumstances, I agree with you.\nHowever, for a lot of people who have built a cult of personality around any given ideal, insults of the inoffensive type are completely commonplace. All they have to do is fend off one or two instances of this PG rated attacks, strawman them, call them snowflakes, and their following is bolstered and enhanced. Instead of having any negative effect, it becomes part of their inherent power.\nSometimes if you want to rattle a cult leader you have to hit with precision their most critical weakness and watch them implode. The fact that Tate is squirming so hard and doing everything he can to reclaim some of his dignity after Greta's clapback means that she has his number. Great isn't saying that having a small dick is bad, but knowing that Tate's entire personality is built about being an alpha male and that calling into question the size of his member will hurt him the most is what she was after. \nOf course, it wasn't classy and could be offensive to some. But as the saying goes, sometimes you have to fight fire with fire.",
">\n\nReally is he squirming? \nHe's rich he's popular and now he's gotten someone he disagrees with to repeat his ideology and platform spreading it to a wider audience. \nI'd argue he's happy for the attention and popularity that she's given to him now and enjoying the increased sales in his business as more men who feel marginalized and left out join him seeing this hypocrisy playing out. Not to mention all the political players( internationally) who were against climate action seeing all this and aligning themselves appropriately, possibly propping him up and making him something more than what he actually is- An ignorant troll. \nEngage with a troll and you only give them more power. The tweet was dumb and people should know better.\nEdit: spacing",
">\n\nI'm not commenting on whether or not his fans will like him more or if the controversy will inadvertently grant him a wider audience. \nI'm commenting that Greta knew exactly where and how to hit him the hardest. Yes, he is definitely squirming. He has scrambled out half a dozen prepubescent \"I know you are but what am I\" tweets. Then he went and made the absolute cringiest response video. He's incensed by being talked down to by Greta and is overcompensating. \nDid her tweet have any net positive effect on society? No. Did it ruffle Tate's feathers and make his blood boil? Yea. Would he have even cared if she called him a misogynistic prick? Absolutely not. He would have just told her to sit down and shut up, that misogyny is made up by inferior women blah blah blah...\nInstead, his insecurities are eating him alive.",
">\n\nWhy even respond and give him attention that he so desperately craves? And why body shame men in the process? \nIf she didn't have a better insult she could have just went on with her life instead of helping him grow. Using \"small dick energy\" as an insult means implicitly we agree that people with small penises are inferior and undesirable. That's basically what Tate is on about ( Toxic masculinity). And by laughing at her tweet we all reinforce that perception. Do you get that? \nSick of double standards and hypocrisy. At least people should have the courage to own up and acknowledge it then move on instead of doubling down and performing mental gymnastics to justify an obvious case of body shaming.\nI agree with you on one thing that the net effect on society because of this tweet exchange is negative and only serves the people who Greta and her followers hate.",
">\n\nI think you are missing what I am saying. I fully agree that it wasn't necessary nor was it the right thing for Greta to do. I also agree that it just gives him attention and was overall a useless venture other for the entertainment of Tate haters.\nOP asked why it is okay. I stated that it isn't okay but that I understand why Greta took that road rather than the suggested non-offensive approach. It is because he's immune to it. What he isn't immune to is his masculinity and ego being questioned. What is the point of the Wolf continuing to blow on the brick house? None. To get to the scared little piggies inside he needs a jackhammer. \nAnd it worked exactly how she planned it to. He was rattled and anyone who hates Tate is amused. \nNot saying it's the right thing to do, nor do I want anyone to feel ashamed of the size of their penis."
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You do not know what Greta is "fully aware" of. She is referring to character and behaviour, why are you taking this personally? She isn't speaking to you, hasn't seen you, doesn't know you. I don't know why you are externalizing your issue like this and waving it around in public, is it our responsibility to fix this for you?
She was just making a tiny joke. Relax. smalldickenergy @ getalife .com is hilarious.
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"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult.",
">\n\nIt's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh.",
">\n\nHonestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV",
">\n\nPeople can make mistakes and this was one of them.. so we can all just criticize her reply fairly and move on. No need for acute mental gymnastics to defend her as this comments section is showing lmao.",
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">\n\nI don't think anyone is arguing it's not offensive. I'm pretty sure she was trying to offend insecure men. Apparently with great success.",
">\n\nShe was trying to offend men who were insecure about their body image?\nHow is that not body shaming?",
">\n\nIt is, but we playing the avoidance and rationalization game",
">\n\nbecause women invented \"small dick energy\"\nharsh, sad. but we go jim🗿",
">\n\nOP never mentioned women tho. Post is strictly about why it's offensive. Do you disagree that it's not offensive or you think it's a trivial matter to make fun of that men's mental health doesn't matter as much?",
">\n\nThe female equivalent is\n\"Loose Pussy Energy\".\nThe typical man-hate hypocrisy commonly going around is beyond obvious. And it is an attack on All men and boys not just some.",
">\n\nNot a disagreement per se, but also worth noting that it’s transphobic. Which is to say, it insults all men by reinforcing patriarchy and punching down to two groups of men.",
">\n\nShe said small dick energy. Not that he had a small dick (though, come on). She used that phrase BECAUSE it's Tate. She's not a moron.\nHe is, as evidenced by his life to this point and his two responses to Thunberg, which were epically pathetic, is a moron and didn't seem to get it, though he doesn't get a lot.",
">\n\nThis is worse than saying he has a small dick, because how would she know, and that would just be dismissed as stupid.\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\nI can't understand the mental gymnastics some people are doing to try and say this isn't body shaming.",
">\n\n\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\n\nI mean yeah -- kind of like how pussy is an insult denoting cowardice, cunt is an insult meaning basically, terrible, etc., \nShe used that on purpose. Are you making CMV every time you see someone calling someone else a pussy?",
">\n\nPussy is kind of already known to be a shitty gendered insult so it doesn't need a CMV. In this case, Greta's gendered \"having a small penis is bad\" tweet is massively amplified, reached r/all on a shitload of subs, etc. so some discussion about whether or not that is cool is warranted",
">\n\nSmall dick energy isn’t about having a small dick tho. It’s a reflection of an attitude that men who are offensive, aggressive, nasty to people are overcompensating for their insecurities. A small dick doesn’t mean you won’t be able to find a partner or that you’re any less of a man. Being a downright trash bag of a human to others, like in this instance where an internet edgelord is cyber bullying a teenager on the internet who is fighting for the survival of our planet/humanity is an example of this trash behavior, is more of a determining factor. \nYou can also have a small dick but have big dick energy, as it’s reflective of who you are as a person. It’s an attitude. It’s who you choose to be to yourself and others. Hell, there’s women who use the term that they have big dick energy and I can tell you those women’s dicks are none existent so therefore size isn’t a thing. \nNo one should be made fun of for something they had no control over. The worth of a man is not tied to the size of his penis. Although, toxic masculinity and shallow people will tell you different. They say the same for disabled people, fat people etc. There’s plenty of people who are not “conventional standards of beauty” which is the majority of us, that lead happy, healthy relationships. Those relationships start with yourself and understanding your worth as a person isn’t tied to what you look like or how big your junk is. \nThe point is if you choose to be a trash person like Tate, where your self worth is tied into how cruel/offensive you can be to other people, don’t be mad if people call you out for that trashy attitude. Your post definitely reeks of “men are the true victims” when clearly you didn’t seem to have a problem with a grown man cyber bullying a teenager.",
">\n\nI like how you imply that OP is a fan of a literal human trafficker because they point out that a body-shaming insult is body-shaming. Do you understand why associating a trait of someone's body with negative personality traits is bad?",
">\n\nNo because people like this always have exceptions that allow them to use the things they complain about. Cognitive gymnastics allows them to recognise shaming women and people of colour is bad, because society will eat them otherwise, but when someone shows up who deserves a bit of a roasting all of their social etiquette rules go out the window and the excuses come out as to why in this context it doesn't count.\n\"Ahh no, here it is a reflection of an attitude\" blah blah 3 paragraphs later and we've clouded over the simple fact that body shaming is body shaming and harms people you weren't intending to insult.",
">\n\nPeople like this? You’re assuming things about me because I am a character in your mind not a real person. I am not a monolith. We should not be body shaming people. I am explaining the other side of this issue and why people use these terms. You never asked if I use these same terms in my life. You assumed I do. I don’t. You didn’t even bother to read my response because if you did you would have realized this.",
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">\n\nYou can have smol pp but big pp energy and vice versa",
">\n\nSo why is the phrase small dick energy if it has nothing to do with having a small dick?",
">\n\nIdk man, I just work here.",
">\n\nYou know why. Lol cause small dick is associated with bad. And by insulting dicks you use this knowledge to offend, at the cost of body shaming people. \nStop feigning dumb just to avoid the reasoning lol",
">\n\nI can see how it would be offensive, and I wouldn’t use it myself. I feel like the phrase refers more to how someone acts as opposed to how they are endowed. And how it’s behavior and actions that make people think down of you not your penis.",
">\n\nPoint is that we, as a society, should encourage better insults that attack the comments of the person without necessarily having to equate it to something someone with a small dick.",
">\n\nWould you agree with me, that if Andrew clapped back with one of those that the internet would be up in arms about it?",
">\n\nYou mean the way that you are, here, on the internet, up in arms?",
">\n\nIm one person on reddit, theres no major backlash like there would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\nSee, what's happening here is that you are also looking at people who are \"one person on Reddit\" and pretending it's a major backlash. Andrew Tate says fucked up things about women all the time (in fact, it's kind of his whole schtick) and it's as much of a non-event as this is.",
">\n\nPlease link me to something fucked up hes said about women, and ill agree with you, two wrongs don't make a right.",
">\n\nHere's exhibit A.",
">\n\nSure I agree with you he has said fucked up stuff about women, it doesn't mean its okay to make a joke about small dick energy.\nDo you understand my point?",
">\n\nWe understand, it's just that your point is fucking stupid",
">\n\nYou have no idea what his point is, it's funny that people on this thread OP and others actually like Andrew Tate.\nIt proves that everyone is completely frothingly tribalistic with zero nuance.",
">\n\nIf someone is behaving insufferably, people are going to laugh at them for things that they wouldn’t find funny if it happened to someone they liked.\nFor example, is it funny when people go bankrupt? No. Would it be funny if someone like Andrew Tate went bankrupt after boasting about Bugattis and all of his mass wealth? Yes. This doesn’t mean people who would make fun of him for that are making fun of poverty or all people who lose their livelihoods, it would just be funny if it happened to that particular person. \nIn the same way, the idea that Tate does all the douchey, over the top macho things that he does in order to compensate for having a small penis is funny, whilst it not being funny to make fun of every person who has a small penis.",
">\n\nSubstitute fat. Is that ok?",
">\n\nDepends on what the fat person is doing. If the person is minding their own business then no, if the fat person is attacking other people’s appearances then yeah go for it.",
">\n\nInteresting take. Might want to play with that a bit. A lot of situations where your reasoning falls apart.",
">\n\nPeople insulted Trump for being fat when he tried to say he was like the most fit person ever. People make fun of Elon Musk's body. You can make the same type of insult to two different people and it come off two different ways. \nWhen you make your identity or argument around something it opens up certain insults and comebacks. \nTate's whole thing is trying to act like this \"alpha male\" when in reality he's a sex trafficking weirdo who pays women to hang out with him. It's totally fine to insult him with a childish insult. \nI also find that people worried or mad about this don't actually care about body image issues. They just want a gotcha moment for people. Because many would have shitty takes about fat people or whine about pc culture.",
">\n\nWhen you call some MF that doesn't necessarily mean you are a MF... I'm not saying it's okay to say abusing words but we still do use them.\nI don't think she said it in literal terms, it was completely literary. Also she only said it cause it was Tate who she said it to. Also if a woman has small tits and someone said to someone else that they have small tits energy, I don't think one who actually has small tits would mind it, cause she is not involved and it's kinda perfect way of irritating Tate.. cause he really cares about these things. \nWhen it comes to increasing the insecurity of someone who actually has small D and is insecure about it... She couldn't think so far cause all she wanted was to irritate Tate and she was successful",
">\n\nI don't think it even irritated him if that was her goal but definitely helped him with popularity. It just proves what he says people think of insecure men, it just moves them to him and he gains more influence. It was an ignorant reply in poor taste. Someone with much following and influence as Greta shouldn't be as irresponsible and the followers shouldn't be having to do mental gymnastics to defend her instead of seeing it as it is: body shaming against men.",
">\n\nIs this some kind of weird meta-game? Are Andrew Tate fans pretending to actually be offended by this stupid insult to prove a point? Does anybody actually think her retort was any sharper than a brick wrapped in a wet blanket?\nWhat is going on here?!",
">\n\n\nWhat is going on here?!\n\nAndrew Tate fans have a lot of small dick energy. That's whats going on.",
">\n\nWhy are people not allowed dislike tate (he's an absolute idiot and a grifter) and also to criticize obvious body shaming from a supposed progressive? If Biden started talking about \"N*gger energy\" criticizing Kanye for antisemitism, would that be ok in your eyes? Would you say that a black guy who doesn't like that must be an angry Kanye fan? Or is it disgustingly offensive towards all African Americans to use that type of language no matter what?",
">\n\nBecause it suits their narrative to frame it as if people are just defending tate. It's easier than just actually defending body shaming. Done deal.",
">\n\nI think Greta used that phrase not because she actually believes or wants to promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior, but because people like Andrew Tate believe and promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior. If Andrew Tate gets hurt because Greta says he has small dick energy, then maybe -- just maybe, with the tiniest bit of introspection -- he'll come to realize how hateful some of his language is.\nBullies like Andrew Tate don't really respond to logic or pleas for sympathy. The only way to maybe make them understand the hurt they cause is to inflict it on them, because they don't care about anyone but themselves. \nSo instead of putting the cart before the horse and blaming Greta for using an offensive phrase as an argumentative tactic, maybe blame the people who use the phrase to actually demean people.",
">\n\nCan we substitute fat instead and be justified?",
">\n\nYes people did that with Trump when he claimed to be the fittest person ever basically. If someone has a habit of insulting people a certain way or making certain claims then they open themselves up to specific insults. \nSometimes we'd find those insults not tasteful if said to other people. But I feel like most people equating this to fat insults don't actually care about fat people. A lot of people would also be like oh things are getting too pc or soft or woke when it comes to body positivity towards fat people. So for me it's hard to buy this line of reasoning as being truly valid or caring.",
">\n\nNo one said it has to be authentic caring. This sub is for exploring the intellectual arguments. Your perception of how authentic someone’s feelings towards fat people is basically irrelevant. Argue the point or don’t. Passing your authenticity test is a wierd standard to try to argue for.",
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">\n\nYes, making insults is offensive. That's the point.\nInsults that reference a body part are also offensive to people who are insecure about that body part. That's also kinda obvious.\nWhat do you want your mind changed about here? I'm unclear about what you think can be discussed about an insult meant to be insulting. Are you arguing that this insult is especially wrong in some way?\nHow is this not just you soapboxing?",
">\n\nThere's a reason as a society we don't use insults like \"retard\". This is in the same vein. You're attributing a negative thing with a man having a small penis. This is harmful as it perpetuates the stigma surrounding penis size which is outside ones control. Essentially it degrades a group of people who have nothing to do with it. OP wants to know whether or not this is reconciled. Reading the comments... It has not been. \nMaking gendered insults doesn't bother me truthfully but I can understand the frustration OP is expressing because were it to be a man making some edgy reference to a woman's lady parts being inadequate as a way to demean them then everyone would be outraged as opposed to cheering it on.",
">\n\nUsing “small dick” as an insult, or “loose pussy” isn’t really offensive unless you are insecure about the physical viability of your reproductive organs. \nBut, that doesn’t make it funny. It’s a really juvenile and uncreative way of ridiculing someone.",
">\n\nInsecure women are offended when they're fat shamed.\nIt's still body shaming.\nIt's still wrong.",
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">\n\nGuy randomly decides to flex on her by saying I HAVE CARS AND I LIKE TO GO VROOOOM. It's like when Piers decides that it's absolutely important to eat meat in front of vegans. It's not about penis size. It's just that smalldickenergy is a perfect explanation of why would someone decide to behave like this.",
">\n\nShe is 19. Maybe in a few years she will have more mature insults. It’s a lot of pressure to be put on someone so young to also say the perfect thing all the time",
">\n\nUnder nearly all circumstances, I agree with you.\nHowever, for a lot of people who have built a cult of personality around any given ideal, insults of the inoffensive type are completely commonplace. All they have to do is fend off one or two instances of this PG rated attacks, strawman them, call them snowflakes, and their following is bolstered and enhanced. Instead of having any negative effect, it becomes part of their inherent power.\nSometimes if you want to rattle a cult leader you have to hit with precision their most critical weakness and watch them implode. The fact that Tate is squirming so hard and doing everything he can to reclaim some of his dignity after Greta's clapback means that she has his number. Great isn't saying that having a small dick is bad, but knowing that Tate's entire personality is built about being an alpha male and that calling into question the size of his member will hurt him the most is what she was after. \nOf course, it wasn't classy and could be offensive to some. But as the saying goes, sometimes you have to fight fire with fire.",
">\n\nReally is he squirming? \nHe's rich he's popular and now he's gotten someone he disagrees with to repeat his ideology and platform spreading it to a wider audience. \nI'd argue he's happy for the attention and popularity that she's given to him now and enjoying the increased sales in his business as more men who feel marginalized and left out join him seeing this hypocrisy playing out. Not to mention all the political players( internationally) who were against climate action seeing all this and aligning themselves appropriately, possibly propping him up and making him something more than what he actually is- An ignorant troll. \nEngage with a troll and you only give them more power. The tweet was dumb and people should know better.\nEdit: spacing",
">\n\nI'm not commenting on whether or not his fans will like him more or if the controversy will inadvertently grant him a wider audience. \nI'm commenting that Greta knew exactly where and how to hit him the hardest. Yes, he is definitely squirming. He has scrambled out half a dozen prepubescent \"I know you are but what am I\" tweets. Then he went and made the absolute cringiest response video. He's incensed by being talked down to by Greta and is overcompensating. \nDid her tweet have any net positive effect on society? No. Did it ruffle Tate's feathers and make his blood boil? Yea. Would he have even cared if she called him a misogynistic prick? Absolutely not. He would have just told her to sit down and shut up, that misogyny is made up by inferior women blah blah blah...\nInstead, his insecurities are eating him alive.",
">\n\nWhy even respond and give him attention that he so desperately craves? And why body shame men in the process? \nIf she didn't have a better insult she could have just went on with her life instead of helping him grow. Using \"small dick energy\" as an insult means implicitly we agree that people with small penises are inferior and undesirable. That's basically what Tate is on about ( Toxic masculinity). And by laughing at her tweet we all reinforce that perception. Do you get that? \nSick of double standards and hypocrisy. At least people should have the courage to own up and acknowledge it then move on instead of doubling down and performing mental gymnastics to justify an obvious case of body shaming.\nI agree with you on one thing that the net effect on society because of this tweet exchange is negative and only serves the people who Greta and her followers hate.",
">\n\nI think you are missing what I am saying. I fully agree that it wasn't necessary nor was it the right thing for Greta to do. I also agree that it just gives him attention and was overall a useless venture other for the entertainment of Tate haters.\nOP asked why it is okay. I stated that it isn't okay but that I understand why Greta took that road rather than the suggested non-offensive approach. It is because he's immune to it. What he isn't immune to is his masculinity and ego being questioned. What is the point of the Wolf continuing to blow on the brick house? None. To get to the scared little piggies inside he needs a jackhammer. \nAnd it worked exactly how she planned it to. He was rattled and anyone who hates Tate is amused. \nNot saying it's the right thing to do, nor do I want anyone to feel ashamed of the size of their penis.",
">\n\nOk.. thanks for elaborating on that. I misunderstood your comment as a disagreement and engaged to try and change your mind but seems we share the same view."
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Aside from everything else, it's men who started the 'big dick energy' idiocy so to then complain when someone uses their own stupidity against them...
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"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult.",
">\n\nIt's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh.",
">\n\nHonestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV",
">\n\nPeople can make mistakes and this was one of them.. so we can all just criticize her reply fairly and move on. No need for acute mental gymnastics to defend her as this comments section is showing lmao.",
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">\n\nI don't think anyone is arguing it's not offensive. I'm pretty sure she was trying to offend insecure men. Apparently with great success.",
">\n\nShe was trying to offend men who were insecure about their body image?\nHow is that not body shaming?",
">\n\nIt is, but we playing the avoidance and rationalization game",
">\n\nbecause women invented \"small dick energy\"\nharsh, sad. but we go jim🗿",
">\n\nOP never mentioned women tho. Post is strictly about why it's offensive. Do you disagree that it's not offensive or you think it's a trivial matter to make fun of that men's mental health doesn't matter as much?",
">\n\nThe female equivalent is\n\"Loose Pussy Energy\".\nThe typical man-hate hypocrisy commonly going around is beyond obvious. And it is an attack on All men and boys not just some.",
">\n\nNot a disagreement per se, but also worth noting that it’s transphobic. Which is to say, it insults all men by reinforcing patriarchy and punching down to two groups of men.",
">\n\nShe said small dick energy. Not that he had a small dick (though, come on). She used that phrase BECAUSE it's Tate. She's not a moron.\nHe is, as evidenced by his life to this point and his two responses to Thunberg, which were epically pathetic, is a moron and didn't seem to get it, though he doesn't get a lot.",
">\n\nThis is worse than saying he has a small dick, because how would she know, and that would just be dismissed as stupid.\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\nI can't understand the mental gymnastics some people are doing to try and say this isn't body shaming.",
">\n\n\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\n\nI mean yeah -- kind of like how pussy is an insult denoting cowardice, cunt is an insult meaning basically, terrible, etc., \nShe used that on purpose. Are you making CMV every time you see someone calling someone else a pussy?",
">\n\nPussy is kind of already known to be a shitty gendered insult so it doesn't need a CMV. In this case, Greta's gendered \"having a small penis is bad\" tweet is massively amplified, reached r/all on a shitload of subs, etc. so some discussion about whether or not that is cool is warranted",
">\n\nSmall dick energy isn’t about having a small dick tho. It’s a reflection of an attitude that men who are offensive, aggressive, nasty to people are overcompensating for their insecurities. A small dick doesn’t mean you won’t be able to find a partner or that you’re any less of a man. Being a downright trash bag of a human to others, like in this instance where an internet edgelord is cyber bullying a teenager on the internet who is fighting for the survival of our planet/humanity is an example of this trash behavior, is more of a determining factor. \nYou can also have a small dick but have big dick energy, as it’s reflective of who you are as a person. It’s an attitude. It’s who you choose to be to yourself and others. Hell, there’s women who use the term that they have big dick energy and I can tell you those women’s dicks are none existent so therefore size isn’t a thing. \nNo one should be made fun of for something they had no control over. The worth of a man is not tied to the size of his penis. Although, toxic masculinity and shallow people will tell you different. They say the same for disabled people, fat people etc. There’s plenty of people who are not “conventional standards of beauty” which is the majority of us, that lead happy, healthy relationships. Those relationships start with yourself and understanding your worth as a person isn’t tied to what you look like or how big your junk is. \nThe point is if you choose to be a trash person like Tate, where your self worth is tied into how cruel/offensive you can be to other people, don’t be mad if people call you out for that trashy attitude. Your post definitely reeks of “men are the true victims” when clearly you didn’t seem to have a problem with a grown man cyber bullying a teenager.",
">\n\nI like how you imply that OP is a fan of a literal human trafficker because they point out that a body-shaming insult is body-shaming. Do you understand why associating a trait of someone's body with negative personality traits is bad?",
">\n\nNo because people like this always have exceptions that allow them to use the things they complain about. Cognitive gymnastics allows them to recognise shaming women and people of colour is bad, because society will eat them otherwise, but when someone shows up who deserves a bit of a roasting all of their social etiquette rules go out the window and the excuses come out as to why in this context it doesn't count.\n\"Ahh no, here it is a reflection of an attitude\" blah blah 3 paragraphs later and we've clouded over the simple fact that body shaming is body shaming and harms people you weren't intending to insult.",
">\n\nPeople like this? You’re assuming things about me because I am a character in your mind not a real person. I am not a monolith. We should not be body shaming people. I am explaining the other side of this issue and why people use these terms. You never asked if I use these same terms in my life. You assumed I do. I don’t. You didn’t even bother to read my response because if you did you would have realized this.",
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">\n\nYou can have smol pp but big pp energy and vice versa",
">\n\nSo why is the phrase small dick energy if it has nothing to do with having a small dick?",
">\n\nIdk man, I just work here.",
">\n\nYou know why. Lol cause small dick is associated with bad. And by insulting dicks you use this knowledge to offend, at the cost of body shaming people. \nStop feigning dumb just to avoid the reasoning lol",
">\n\nI can see how it would be offensive, and I wouldn’t use it myself. I feel like the phrase refers more to how someone acts as opposed to how they are endowed. And how it’s behavior and actions that make people think down of you not your penis.",
">\n\nPoint is that we, as a society, should encourage better insults that attack the comments of the person without necessarily having to equate it to something someone with a small dick.",
">\n\nWould you agree with me, that if Andrew clapped back with one of those that the internet would be up in arms about it?",
">\n\nYou mean the way that you are, here, on the internet, up in arms?",
">\n\nIm one person on reddit, theres no major backlash like there would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\nSee, what's happening here is that you are also looking at people who are \"one person on Reddit\" and pretending it's a major backlash. Andrew Tate says fucked up things about women all the time (in fact, it's kind of his whole schtick) and it's as much of a non-event as this is.",
">\n\nPlease link me to something fucked up hes said about women, and ill agree with you, two wrongs don't make a right.",
">\n\nHere's exhibit A.",
">\n\nSure I agree with you he has said fucked up stuff about women, it doesn't mean its okay to make a joke about small dick energy.\nDo you understand my point?",
">\n\nWe understand, it's just that your point is fucking stupid",
">\n\nYou have no idea what his point is, it's funny that people on this thread OP and others actually like Andrew Tate.\nIt proves that everyone is completely frothingly tribalistic with zero nuance.",
">\n\nIf someone is behaving insufferably, people are going to laugh at them for things that they wouldn’t find funny if it happened to someone they liked.\nFor example, is it funny when people go bankrupt? No. Would it be funny if someone like Andrew Tate went bankrupt after boasting about Bugattis and all of his mass wealth? Yes. This doesn’t mean people who would make fun of him for that are making fun of poverty or all people who lose their livelihoods, it would just be funny if it happened to that particular person. \nIn the same way, the idea that Tate does all the douchey, over the top macho things that he does in order to compensate for having a small penis is funny, whilst it not being funny to make fun of every person who has a small penis.",
">\n\nSubstitute fat. Is that ok?",
">\n\nDepends on what the fat person is doing. If the person is minding their own business then no, if the fat person is attacking other people’s appearances then yeah go for it.",
">\n\nInteresting take. Might want to play with that a bit. A lot of situations where your reasoning falls apart.",
">\n\nPeople insulted Trump for being fat when he tried to say he was like the most fit person ever. People make fun of Elon Musk's body. You can make the same type of insult to two different people and it come off two different ways. \nWhen you make your identity or argument around something it opens up certain insults and comebacks. \nTate's whole thing is trying to act like this \"alpha male\" when in reality he's a sex trafficking weirdo who pays women to hang out with him. It's totally fine to insult him with a childish insult. \nI also find that people worried or mad about this don't actually care about body image issues. They just want a gotcha moment for people. Because many would have shitty takes about fat people or whine about pc culture.",
">\n\nWhen you call some MF that doesn't necessarily mean you are a MF... I'm not saying it's okay to say abusing words but we still do use them.\nI don't think she said it in literal terms, it was completely literary. Also she only said it cause it was Tate who she said it to. Also if a woman has small tits and someone said to someone else that they have small tits energy, I don't think one who actually has small tits would mind it, cause she is not involved and it's kinda perfect way of irritating Tate.. cause he really cares about these things. \nWhen it comes to increasing the insecurity of someone who actually has small D and is insecure about it... She couldn't think so far cause all she wanted was to irritate Tate and she was successful",
">\n\nI don't think it even irritated him if that was her goal but definitely helped him with popularity. It just proves what he says people think of insecure men, it just moves them to him and he gains more influence. It was an ignorant reply in poor taste. Someone with much following and influence as Greta shouldn't be as irresponsible and the followers shouldn't be having to do mental gymnastics to defend her instead of seeing it as it is: body shaming against men.",
">\n\nIs this some kind of weird meta-game? Are Andrew Tate fans pretending to actually be offended by this stupid insult to prove a point? Does anybody actually think her retort was any sharper than a brick wrapped in a wet blanket?\nWhat is going on here?!",
">\n\n\nWhat is going on here?!\n\nAndrew Tate fans have a lot of small dick energy. That's whats going on.",
">\n\nWhy are people not allowed dislike tate (he's an absolute idiot and a grifter) and also to criticize obvious body shaming from a supposed progressive? If Biden started talking about \"N*gger energy\" criticizing Kanye for antisemitism, would that be ok in your eyes? Would you say that a black guy who doesn't like that must be an angry Kanye fan? Or is it disgustingly offensive towards all African Americans to use that type of language no matter what?",
">\n\nBecause it suits their narrative to frame it as if people are just defending tate. It's easier than just actually defending body shaming. Done deal.",
">\n\nI think Greta used that phrase not because she actually believes or wants to promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior, but because people like Andrew Tate believe and promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior. If Andrew Tate gets hurt because Greta says he has small dick energy, then maybe -- just maybe, with the tiniest bit of introspection -- he'll come to realize how hateful some of his language is.\nBullies like Andrew Tate don't really respond to logic or pleas for sympathy. The only way to maybe make them understand the hurt they cause is to inflict it on them, because they don't care about anyone but themselves. \nSo instead of putting the cart before the horse and blaming Greta for using an offensive phrase as an argumentative tactic, maybe blame the people who use the phrase to actually demean people.",
">\n\nCan we substitute fat instead and be justified?",
">\n\nYes people did that with Trump when he claimed to be the fittest person ever basically. If someone has a habit of insulting people a certain way or making certain claims then they open themselves up to specific insults. \nSometimes we'd find those insults not tasteful if said to other people. But I feel like most people equating this to fat insults don't actually care about fat people. A lot of people would also be like oh things are getting too pc or soft or woke when it comes to body positivity towards fat people. So for me it's hard to buy this line of reasoning as being truly valid or caring.",
">\n\nNo one said it has to be authentic caring. This sub is for exploring the intellectual arguments. Your perception of how authentic someone’s feelings towards fat people is basically irrelevant. Argue the point or don’t. Passing your authenticity test is a wierd standard to try to argue for.",
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">\n\nYes, making insults is offensive. That's the point.\nInsults that reference a body part are also offensive to people who are insecure about that body part. That's also kinda obvious.\nWhat do you want your mind changed about here? I'm unclear about what you think can be discussed about an insult meant to be insulting. Are you arguing that this insult is especially wrong in some way?\nHow is this not just you soapboxing?",
">\n\nThere's a reason as a society we don't use insults like \"retard\". This is in the same vein. You're attributing a negative thing with a man having a small penis. This is harmful as it perpetuates the stigma surrounding penis size which is outside ones control. Essentially it degrades a group of people who have nothing to do with it. OP wants to know whether or not this is reconciled. Reading the comments... It has not been. \nMaking gendered insults doesn't bother me truthfully but I can understand the frustration OP is expressing because were it to be a man making some edgy reference to a woman's lady parts being inadequate as a way to demean them then everyone would be outraged as opposed to cheering it on.",
">\n\nUsing “small dick” as an insult, or “loose pussy” isn’t really offensive unless you are insecure about the physical viability of your reproductive organs. \nBut, that doesn’t make it funny. It’s a really juvenile and uncreative way of ridiculing someone.",
">\n\nInsecure women are offended when they're fat shamed.\nIt's still body shaming.\nIt's still wrong.",
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">\n\nGuy randomly decides to flex on her by saying I HAVE CARS AND I LIKE TO GO VROOOOM. It's like when Piers decides that it's absolutely important to eat meat in front of vegans. It's not about penis size. It's just that smalldickenergy is a perfect explanation of why would someone decide to behave like this.",
">\n\nShe is 19. Maybe in a few years she will have more mature insults. It’s a lot of pressure to be put on someone so young to also say the perfect thing all the time",
">\n\nUnder nearly all circumstances, I agree with you.\nHowever, for a lot of people who have built a cult of personality around any given ideal, insults of the inoffensive type are completely commonplace. All they have to do is fend off one or two instances of this PG rated attacks, strawman them, call them snowflakes, and their following is bolstered and enhanced. Instead of having any negative effect, it becomes part of their inherent power.\nSometimes if you want to rattle a cult leader you have to hit with precision their most critical weakness and watch them implode. The fact that Tate is squirming so hard and doing everything he can to reclaim some of his dignity after Greta's clapback means that she has his number. Great isn't saying that having a small dick is bad, but knowing that Tate's entire personality is built about being an alpha male and that calling into question the size of his member will hurt him the most is what she was after. \nOf course, it wasn't classy and could be offensive to some. But as the saying goes, sometimes you have to fight fire with fire.",
">\n\nReally is he squirming? \nHe's rich he's popular and now he's gotten someone he disagrees with to repeat his ideology and platform spreading it to a wider audience. \nI'd argue he's happy for the attention and popularity that she's given to him now and enjoying the increased sales in his business as more men who feel marginalized and left out join him seeing this hypocrisy playing out. Not to mention all the political players( internationally) who were against climate action seeing all this and aligning themselves appropriately, possibly propping him up and making him something more than what he actually is- An ignorant troll. \nEngage with a troll and you only give them more power. The tweet was dumb and people should know better.\nEdit: spacing",
">\n\nI'm not commenting on whether or not his fans will like him more or if the controversy will inadvertently grant him a wider audience. \nI'm commenting that Greta knew exactly where and how to hit him the hardest. Yes, he is definitely squirming. He has scrambled out half a dozen prepubescent \"I know you are but what am I\" tweets. Then he went and made the absolute cringiest response video. He's incensed by being talked down to by Greta and is overcompensating. \nDid her tweet have any net positive effect on society? No. Did it ruffle Tate's feathers and make his blood boil? Yea. Would he have even cared if she called him a misogynistic prick? Absolutely not. He would have just told her to sit down and shut up, that misogyny is made up by inferior women blah blah blah...\nInstead, his insecurities are eating him alive.",
">\n\nWhy even respond and give him attention that he so desperately craves? And why body shame men in the process? \nIf she didn't have a better insult she could have just went on with her life instead of helping him grow. Using \"small dick energy\" as an insult means implicitly we agree that people with small penises are inferior and undesirable. That's basically what Tate is on about ( Toxic masculinity). And by laughing at her tweet we all reinforce that perception. Do you get that? \nSick of double standards and hypocrisy. At least people should have the courage to own up and acknowledge it then move on instead of doubling down and performing mental gymnastics to justify an obvious case of body shaming.\nI agree with you on one thing that the net effect on society because of this tweet exchange is negative and only serves the people who Greta and her followers hate.",
">\n\nI think you are missing what I am saying. I fully agree that it wasn't necessary nor was it the right thing for Greta to do. I also agree that it just gives him attention and was overall a useless venture other for the entertainment of Tate haters.\nOP asked why it is okay. I stated that it isn't okay but that I understand why Greta took that road rather than the suggested non-offensive approach. It is because he's immune to it. What he isn't immune to is his masculinity and ego being questioned. What is the point of the Wolf continuing to blow on the brick house? None. To get to the scared little piggies inside he needs a jackhammer. \nAnd it worked exactly how she planned it to. He was rattled and anyone who hates Tate is amused. \nNot saying it's the right thing to do, nor do I want anyone to feel ashamed of the size of their penis.",
">\n\nOk.. thanks for elaborating on that. I misunderstood your comment as a disagreement and engaged to try and change your mind but seems we share the same view.",
">\n\nYou do not know what Greta is \"fully aware\" of. She is referring to character and behaviour, why are you taking this personally? She isn't speaking to you, hasn't seen you, doesn't know you. I don't know why you are externalizing your issue like this and waving it around in public, is it our responsibility to fix this for you?\nShe was just making a tiny joke. Relax. smalldickenergy @ getalife .com is hilarious."
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Yeah because men are a monolith and we all meet in a room and know each other smh.
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"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult.",
">\n\nIt's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh.",
">\n\nHonestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV",
">\n\nPeople can make mistakes and this was one of them.. so we can all just criticize her reply fairly and move on. No need for acute mental gymnastics to defend her as this comments section is showing lmao.",
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">\n\nI don't think anyone is arguing it's not offensive. I'm pretty sure she was trying to offend insecure men. Apparently with great success.",
">\n\nShe was trying to offend men who were insecure about their body image?\nHow is that not body shaming?",
">\n\nIt is, but we playing the avoidance and rationalization game",
">\n\nbecause women invented \"small dick energy\"\nharsh, sad. but we go jim🗿",
">\n\nOP never mentioned women tho. Post is strictly about why it's offensive. Do you disagree that it's not offensive or you think it's a trivial matter to make fun of that men's mental health doesn't matter as much?",
">\n\nThe female equivalent is\n\"Loose Pussy Energy\".\nThe typical man-hate hypocrisy commonly going around is beyond obvious. And it is an attack on All men and boys not just some.",
">\n\nNot a disagreement per se, but also worth noting that it’s transphobic. Which is to say, it insults all men by reinforcing patriarchy and punching down to two groups of men.",
">\n\nShe said small dick energy. Not that he had a small dick (though, come on). She used that phrase BECAUSE it's Tate. She's not a moron.\nHe is, as evidenced by his life to this point and his two responses to Thunberg, which were epically pathetic, is a moron and didn't seem to get it, though he doesn't get a lot.",
">\n\nThis is worse than saying he has a small dick, because how would she know, and that would just be dismissed as stupid.\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\nI can't understand the mental gymnastics some people are doing to try and say this isn't body shaming.",
">\n\n\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\n\nI mean yeah -- kind of like how pussy is an insult denoting cowardice, cunt is an insult meaning basically, terrible, etc., \nShe used that on purpose. Are you making CMV every time you see someone calling someone else a pussy?",
">\n\nPussy is kind of already known to be a shitty gendered insult so it doesn't need a CMV. In this case, Greta's gendered \"having a small penis is bad\" tweet is massively amplified, reached r/all on a shitload of subs, etc. so some discussion about whether or not that is cool is warranted",
">\n\nSmall dick energy isn’t about having a small dick tho. It’s a reflection of an attitude that men who are offensive, aggressive, nasty to people are overcompensating for their insecurities. A small dick doesn’t mean you won’t be able to find a partner or that you’re any less of a man. Being a downright trash bag of a human to others, like in this instance where an internet edgelord is cyber bullying a teenager on the internet who is fighting for the survival of our planet/humanity is an example of this trash behavior, is more of a determining factor. \nYou can also have a small dick but have big dick energy, as it’s reflective of who you are as a person. It’s an attitude. It’s who you choose to be to yourself and others. Hell, there’s women who use the term that they have big dick energy and I can tell you those women’s dicks are none existent so therefore size isn’t a thing. \nNo one should be made fun of for something they had no control over. The worth of a man is not tied to the size of his penis. Although, toxic masculinity and shallow people will tell you different. They say the same for disabled people, fat people etc. There’s plenty of people who are not “conventional standards of beauty” which is the majority of us, that lead happy, healthy relationships. Those relationships start with yourself and understanding your worth as a person isn’t tied to what you look like or how big your junk is. \nThe point is if you choose to be a trash person like Tate, where your self worth is tied into how cruel/offensive you can be to other people, don’t be mad if people call you out for that trashy attitude. Your post definitely reeks of “men are the true victims” when clearly you didn’t seem to have a problem with a grown man cyber bullying a teenager.",
">\n\nI like how you imply that OP is a fan of a literal human trafficker because they point out that a body-shaming insult is body-shaming. Do you understand why associating a trait of someone's body with negative personality traits is bad?",
">\n\nNo because people like this always have exceptions that allow them to use the things they complain about. Cognitive gymnastics allows them to recognise shaming women and people of colour is bad, because society will eat them otherwise, but when someone shows up who deserves a bit of a roasting all of their social etiquette rules go out the window and the excuses come out as to why in this context it doesn't count.\n\"Ahh no, here it is a reflection of an attitude\" blah blah 3 paragraphs later and we've clouded over the simple fact that body shaming is body shaming and harms people you weren't intending to insult.",
">\n\nPeople like this? You’re assuming things about me because I am a character in your mind not a real person. I am not a monolith. We should not be body shaming people. I am explaining the other side of this issue and why people use these terms. You never asked if I use these same terms in my life. You assumed I do. I don’t. You didn’t even bother to read my response because if you did you would have realized this.",
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">\n\nYou can have smol pp but big pp energy and vice versa",
">\n\nSo why is the phrase small dick energy if it has nothing to do with having a small dick?",
">\n\nIdk man, I just work here.",
">\n\nYou know why. Lol cause small dick is associated with bad. And by insulting dicks you use this knowledge to offend, at the cost of body shaming people. \nStop feigning dumb just to avoid the reasoning lol",
">\n\nI can see how it would be offensive, and I wouldn’t use it myself. I feel like the phrase refers more to how someone acts as opposed to how they are endowed. And how it’s behavior and actions that make people think down of you not your penis.",
">\n\nPoint is that we, as a society, should encourage better insults that attack the comments of the person without necessarily having to equate it to something someone with a small dick.",
">\n\nWould you agree with me, that if Andrew clapped back with one of those that the internet would be up in arms about it?",
">\n\nYou mean the way that you are, here, on the internet, up in arms?",
">\n\nIm one person on reddit, theres no major backlash like there would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\nSee, what's happening here is that you are also looking at people who are \"one person on Reddit\" and pretending it's a major backlash. Andrew Tate says fucked up things about women all the time (in fact, it's kind of his whole schtick) and it's as much of a non-event as this is.",
">\n\nPlease link me to something fucked up hes said about women, and ill agree with you, two wrongs don't make a right.",
">\n\nHere's exhibit A.",
">\n\nSure I agree with you he has said fucked up stuff about women, it doesn't mean its okay to make a joke about small dick energy.\nDo you understand my point?",
">\n\nWe understand, it's just that your point is fucking stupid",
">\n\nYou have no idea what his point is, it's funny that people on this thread OP and others actually like Andrew Tate.\nIt proves that everyone is completely frothingly tribalistic with zero nuance.",
">\n\nIf someone is behaving insufferably, people are going to laugh at them for things that they wouldn’t find funny if it happened to someone they liked.\nFor example, is it funny when people go bankrupt? No. Would it be funny if someone like Andrew Tate went bankrupt after boasting about Bugattis and all of his mass wealth? Yes. This doesn’t mean people who would make fun of him for that are making fun of poverty or all people who lose their livelihoods, it would just be funny if it happened to that particular person. \nIn the same way, the idea that Tate does all the douchey, over the top macho things that he does in order to compensate for having a small penis is funny, whilst it not being funny to make fun of every person who has a small penis.",
">\n\nSubstitute fat. Is that ok?",
">\n\nDepends on what the fat person is doing. If the person is minding their own business then no, if the fat person is attacking other people’s appearances then yeah go for it.",
">\n\nInteresting take. Might want to play with that a bit. A lot of situations where your reasoning falls apart.",
">\n\nPeople insulted Trump for being fat when he tried to say he was like the most fit person ever. People make fun of Elon Musk's body. You can make the same type of insult to two different people and it come off two different ways. \nWhen you make your identity or argument around something it opens up certain insults and comebacks. \nTate's whole thing is trying to act like this \"alpha male\" when in reality he's a sex trafficking weirdo who pays women to hang out with him. It's totally fine to insult him with a childish insult. \nI also find that people worried or mad about this don't actually care about body image issues. They just want a gotcha moment for people. Because many would have shitty takes about fat people or whine about pc culture.",
">\n\nWhen you call some MF that doesn't necessarily mean you are a MF... I'm not saying it's okay to say abusing words but we still do use them.\nI don't think she said it in literal terms, it was completely literary. Also she only said it cause it was Tate who she said it to. Also if a woman has small tits and someone said to someone else that they have small tits energy, I don't think one who actually has small tits would mind it, cause she is not involved and it's kinda perfect way of irritating Tate.. cause he really cares about these things. \nWhen it comes to increasing the insecurity of someone who actually has small D and is insecure about it... She couldn't think so far cause all she wanted was to irritate Tate and she was successful",
">\n\nI don't think it even irritated him if that was her goal but definitely helped him with popularity. It just proves what he says people think of insecure men, it just moves them to him and he gains more influence. It was an ignorant reply in poor taste. Someone with much following and influence as Greta shouldn't be as irresponsible and the followers shouldn't be having to do mental gymnastics to defend her instead of seeing it as it is: body shaming against men.",
">\n\nIs this some kind of weird meta-game? Are Andrew Tate fans pretending to actually be offended by this stupid insult to prove a point? Does anybody actually think her retort was any sharper than a brick wrapped in a wet blanket?\nWhat is going on here?!",
">\n\n\nWhat is going on here?!\n\nAndrew Tate fans have a lot of small dick energy. That's whats going on.",
">\n\nWhy are people not allowed dislike tate (he's an absolute idiot and a grifter) and also to criticize obvious body shaming from a supposed progressive? If Biden started talking about \"N*gger energy\" criticizing Kanye for antisemitism, would that be ok in your eyes? Would you say that a black guy who doesn't like that must be an angry Kanye fan? Or is it disgustingly offensive towards all African Americans to use that type of language no matter what?",
">\n\nBecause it suits their narrative to frame it as if people are just defending tate. It's easier than just actually defending body shaming. Done deal.",
">\n\nI think Greta used that phrase not because she actually believes or wants to promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior, but because people like Andrew Tate believe and promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior. If Andrew Tate gets hurt because Greta says he has small dick energy, then maybe -- just maybe, with the tiniest bit of introspection -- he'll come to realize how hateful some of his language is.\nBullies like Andrew Tate don't really respond to logic or pleas for sympathy. The only way to maybe make them understand the hurt they cause is to inflict it on them, because they don't care about anyone but themselves. \nSo instead of putting the cart before the horse and blaming Greta for using an offensive phrase as an argumentative tactic, maybe blame the people who use the phrase to actually demean people.",
">\n\nCan we substitute fat instead and be justified?",
">\n\nYes people did that with Trump when he claimed to be the fittest person ever basically. If someone has a habit of insulting people a certain way or making certain claims then they open themselves up to specific insults. \nSometimes we'd find those insults not tasteful if said to other people. But I feel like most people equating this to fat insults don't actually care about fat people. A lot of people would also be like oh things are getting too pc or soft or woke when it comes to body positivity towards fat people. So for me it's hard to buy this line of reasoning as being truly valid or caring.",
">\n\nNo one said it has to be authentic caring. This sub is for exploring the intellectual arguments. Your perception of how authentic someone’s feelings towards fat people is basically irrelevant. Argue the point or don’t. Passing your authenticity test is a wierd standard to try to argue for.",
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">\n\nYes, making insults is offensive. That's the point.\nInsults that reference a body part are also offensive to people who are insecure about that body part. That's also kinda obvious.\nWhat do you want your mind changed about here? I'm unclear about what you think can be discussed about an insult meant to be insulting. Are you arguing that this insult is especially wrong in some way?\nHow is this not just you soapboxing?",
">\n\nThere's a reason as a society we don't use insults like \"retard\". This is in the same vein. You're attributing a negative thing with a man having a small penis. This is harmful as it perpetuates the stigma surrounding penis size which is outside ones control. Essentially it degrades a group of people who have nothing to do with it. OP wants to know whether or not this is reconciled. Reading the comments... It has not been. \nMaking gendered insults doesn't bother me truthfully but I can understand the frustration OP is expressing because were it to be a man making some edgy reference to a woman's lady parts being inadequate as a way to demean them then everyone would be outraged as opposed to cheering it on.",
">\n\nUsing “small dick” as an insult, or “loose pussy” isn’t really offensive unless you are insecure about the physical viability of your reproductive organs. \nBut, that doesn’t make it funny. It’s a really juvenile and uncreative way of ridiculing someone.",
">\n\nInsecure women are offended when they're fat shamed.\nIt's still body shaming.\nIt's still wrong.",
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">\n\nGuy randomly decides to flex on her by saying I HAVE CARS AND I LIKE TO GO VROOOOM. It's like when Piers decides that it's absolutely important to eat meat in front of vegans. It's not about penis size. It's just that smalldickenergy is a perfect explanation of why would someone decide to behave like this.",
">\n\nShe is 19. Maybe in a few years she will have more mature insults. It’s a lot of pressure to be put on someone so young to also say the perfect thing all the time",
">\n\nUnder nearly all circumstances, I agree with you.\nHowever, for a lot of people who have built a cult of personality around any given ideal, insults of the inoffensive type are completely commonplace. All they have to do is fend off one or two instances of this PG rated attacks, strawman them, call them snowflakes, and their following is bolstered and enhanced. Instead of having any negative effect, it becomes part of their inherent power.\nSometimes if you want to rattle a cult leader you have to hit with precision their most critical weakness and watch them implode. The fact that Tate is squirming so hard and doing everything he can to reclaim some of his dignity after Greta's clapback means that she has his number. Great isn't saying that having a small dick is bad, but knowing that Tate's entire personality is built about being an alpha male and that calling into question the size of his member will hurt him the most is what she was after. \nOf course, it wasn't classy and could be offensive to some. But as the saying goes, sometimes you have to fight fire with fire.",
">\n\nReally is he squirming? \nHe's rich he's popular and now he's gotten someone he disagrees with to repeat his ideology and platform spreading it to a wider audience. \nI'd argue he's happy for the attention and popularity that she's given to him now and enjoying the increased sales in his business as more men who feel marginalized and left out join him seeing this hypocrisy playing out. Not to mention all the political players( internationally) who were against climate action seeing all this and aligning themselves appropriately, possibly propping him up and making him something more than what he actually is- An ignorant troll. \nEngage with a troll and you only give them more power. The tweet was dumb and people should know better.\nEdit: spacing",
">\n\nI'm not commenting on whether or not his fans will like him more or if the controversy will inadvertently grant him a wider audience. \nI'm commenting that Greta knew exactly where and how to hit him the hardest. Yes, he is definitely squirming. He has scrambled out half a dozen prepubescent \"I know you are but what am I\" tweets. Then he went and made the absolute cringiest response video. He's incensed by being talked down to by Greta and is overcompensating. \nDid her tweet have any net positive effect on society? No. Did it ruffle Tate's feathers and make his blood boil? Yea. Would he have even cared if she called him a misogynistic prick? Absolutely not. He would have just told her to sit down and shut up, that misogyny is made up by inferior women blah blah blah...\nInstead, his insecurities are eating him alive.",
">\n\nWhy even respond and give him attention that he so desperately craves? And why body shame men in the process? \nIf she didn't have a better insult she could have just went on with her life instead of helping him grow. Using \"small dick energy\" as an insult means implicitly we agree that people with small penises are inferior and undesirable. That's basically what Tate is on about ( Toxic masculinity). And by laughing at her tweet we all reinforce that perception. Do you get that? \nSick of double standards and hypocrisy. At least people should have the courage to own up and acknowledge it then move on instead of doubling down and performing mental gymnastics to justify an obvious case of body shaming.\nI agree with you on one thing that the net effect on society because of this tweet exchange is negative and only serves the people who Greta and her followers hate.",
">\n\nI think you are missing what I am saying. I fully agree that it wasn't necessary nor was it the right thing for Greta to do. I also agree that it just gives him attention and was overall a useless venture other for the entertainment of Tate haters.\nOP asked why it is okay. I stated that it isn't okay but that I understand why Greta took that road rather than the suggested non-offensive approach. It is because he's immune to it. What he isn't immune to is his masculinity and ego being questioned. What is the point of the Wolf continuing to blow on the brick house? None. To get to the scared little piggies inside he needs a jackhammer. \nAnd it worked exactly how she planned it to. He was rattled and anyone who hates Tate is amused. \nNot saying it's the right thing to do, nor do I want anyone to feel ashamed of the size of their penis.",
">\n\nOk.. thanks for elaborating on that. I misunderstood your comment as a disagreement and engaged to try and change your mind but seems we share the same view.",
">\n\nYou do not know what Greta is \"fully aware\" of. She is referring to character and behaviour, why are you taking this personally? She isn't speaking to you, hasn't seen you, doesn't know you. I don't know why you are externalizing your issue like this and waving it around in public, is it our responsibility to fix this for you?\nShe was just making a tiny joke. Relax. smalldickenergy @ getalife .com is hilarious.",
">\n\nAside from everything else, it's men who started the 'big dick energy' idiocy so to then complain when someone uses their own stupidity against them..."
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"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult.",
">\n\nIt's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh.",
">\n\nHonestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV",
">\n\nPeople can make mistakes and this was one of them.. so we can all just criticize her reply fairly and move on. No need for acute mental gymnastics to defend her as this comments section is showing lmao.",
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">\n\nI don't think anyone is arguing it's not offensive. I'm pretty sure she was trying to offend insecure men. Apparently with great success.",
">\n\nShe was trying to offend men who were insecure about their body image?\nHow is that not body shaming?",
">\n\nIt is, but we playing the avoidance and rationalization game",
">\n\nbecause women invented \"small dick energy\"\nharsh, sad. but we go jim🗿",
">\n\nOP never mentioned women tho. Post is strictly about why it's offensive. Do you disagree that it's not offensive or you think it's a trivial matter to make fun of that men's mental health doesn't matter as much?",
">\n\nThe female equivalent is\n\"Loose Pussy Energy\".\nThe typical man-hate hypocrisy commonly going around is beyond obvious. And it is an attack on All men and boys not just some.",
">\n\nNot a disagreement per se, but also worth noting that it’s transphobic. Which is to say, it insults all men by reinforcing patriarchy and punching down to two groups of men.",
">\n\nShe said small dick energy. Not that he had a small dick (though, come on). She used that phrase BECAUSE it's Tate. She's not a moron.\nHe is, as evidenced by his life to this point and his two responses to Thunberg, which were epically pathetic, is a moron and didn't seem to get it, though he doesn't get a lot.",
">\n\nThis is worse than saying he has a small dick, because how would she know, and that would just be dismissed as stupid.\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\nI can't understand the mental gymnastics some people are doing to try and say this isn't body shaming.",
">\n\n\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\n\nI mean yeah -- kind of like how pussy is an insult denoting cowardice, cunt is an insult meaning basically, terrible, etc., \nShe used that on purpose. Are you making CMV every time you see someone calling someone else a pussy?",
">\n\nPussy is kind of already known to be a shitty gendered insult so it doesn't need a CMV. In this case, Greta's gendered \"having a small penis is bad\" tweet is massively amplified, reached r/all on a shitload of subs, etc. so some discussion about whether or not that is cool is warranted",
">\n\nSmall dick energy isn’t about having a small dick tho. It’s a reflection of an attitude that men who are offensive, aggressive, nasty to people are overcompensating for their insecurities. A small dick doesn’t mean you won’t be able to find a partner or that you’re any less of a man. Being a downright trash bag of a human to others, like in this instance where an internet edgelord is cyber bullying a teenager on the internet who is fighting for the survival of our planet/humanity is an example of this trash behavior, is more of a determining factor. \nYou can also have a small dick but have big dick energy, as it’s reflective of who you are as a person. It’s an attitude. It’s who you choose to be to yourself and others. Hell, there’s women who use the term that they have big dick energy and I can tell you those women’s dicks are none existent so therefore size isn’t a thing. \nNo one should be made fun of for something they had no control over. The worth of a man is not tied to the size of his penis. Although, toxic masculinity and shallow people will tell you different. They say the same for disabled people, fat people etc. There’s plenty of people who are not “conventional standards of beauty” which is the majority of us, that lead happy, healthy relationships. Those relationships start with yourself and understanding your worth as a person isn’t tied to what you look like or how big your junk is. \nThe point is if you choose to be a trash person like Tate, where your self worth is tied into how cruel/offensive you can be to other people, don’t be mad if people call you out for that trashy attitude. Your post definitely reeks of “men are the true victims” when clearly you didn’t seem to have a problem with a grown man cyber bullying a teenager.",
">\n\nI like how you imply that OP is a fan of a literal human trafficker because they point out that a body-shaming insult is body-shaming. Do you understand why associating a trait of someone's body with negative personality traits is bad?",
">\n\nNo because people like this always have exceptions that allow them to use the things they complain about. Cognitive gymnastics allows them to recognise shaming women and people of colour is bad, because society will eat them otherwise, but when someone shows up who deserves a bit of a roasting all of their social etiquette rules go out the window and the excuses come out as to why in this context it doesn't count.\n\"Ahh no, here it is a reflection of an attitude\" blah blah 3 paragraphs later and we've clouded over the simple fact that body shaming is body shaming and harms people you weren't intending to insult.",
">\n\nPeople like this? You’re assuming things about me because I am a character in your mind not a real person. I am not a monolith. We should not be body shaming people. I am explaining the other side of this issue and why people use these terms. You never asked if I use these same terms in my life. You assumed I do. I don’t. You didn’t even bother to read my response because if you did you would have realized this.",
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">\n\nYou can have smol pp but big pp energy and vice versa",
">\n\nSo why is the phrase small dick energy if it has nothing to do with having a small dick?",
">\n\nIdk man, I just work here.",
">\n\nYou know why. Lol cause small dick is associated with bad. And by insulting dicks you use this knowledge to offend, at the cost of body shaming people. \nStop feigning dumb just to avoid the reasoning lol",
">\n\nI can see how it would be offensive, and I wouldn’t use it myself. I feel like the phrase refers more to how someone acts as opposed to how they are endowed. And how it’s behavior and actions that make people think down of you not your penis.",
">\n\nPoint is that we, as a society, should encourage better insults that attack the comments of the person without necessarily having to equate it to something someone with a small dick.",
">\n\nWould you agree with me, that if Andrew clapped back with one of those that the internet would be up in arms about it?",
">\n\nYou mean the way that you are, here, on the internet, up in arms?",
">\n\nIm one person on reddit, theres no major backlash like there would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\nSee, what's happening here is that you are also looking at people who are \"one person on Reddit\" and pretending it's a major backlash. Andrew Tate says fucked up things about women all the time (in fact, it's kind of his whole schtick) and it's as much of a non-event as this is.",
">\n\nPlease link me to something fucked up hes said about women, and ill agree with you, two wrongs don't make a right.",
">\n\nHere's exhibit A.",
">\n\nSure I agree with you he has said fucked up stuff about women, it doesn't mean its okay to make a joke about small dick energy.\nDo you understand my point?",
">\n\nWe understand, it's just that your point is fucking stupid",
">\n\nYou have no idea what his point is, it's funny that people on this thread OP and others actually like Andrew Tate.\nIt proves that everyone is completely frothingly tribalistic with zero nuance.",
">\n\nIf someone is behaving insufferably, people are going to laugh at them for things that they wouldn’t find funny if it happened to someone they liked.\nFor example, is it funny when people go bankrupt? No. Would it be funny if someone like Andrew Tate went bankrupt after boasting about Bugattis and all of his mass wealth? Yes. This doesn’t mean people who would make fun of him for that are making fun of poverty or all people who lose their livelihoods, it would just be funny if it happened to that particular person. \nIn the same way, the idea that Tate does all the douchey, over the top macho things that he does in order to compensate for having a small penis is funny, whilst it not being funny to make fun of every person who has a small penis.",
">\n\nSubstitute fat. Is that ok?",
">\n\nDepends on what the fat person is doing. If the person is minding their own business then no, if the fat person is attacking other people’s appearances then yeah go for it.",
">\n\nInteresting take. Might want to play with that a bit. A lot of situations where your reasoning falls apart.",
">\n\nPeople insulted Trump for being fat when he tried to say he was like the most fit person ever. People make fun of Elon Musk's body. You can make the same type of insult to two different people and it come off two different ways. \nWhen you make your identity or argument around something it opens up certain insults and comebacks. \nTate's whole thing is trying to act like this \"alpha male\" when in reality he's a sex trafficking weirdo who pays women to hang out with him. It's totally fine to insult him with a childish insult. \nI also find that people worried or mad about this don't actually care about body image issues. They just want a gotcha moment for people. Because many would have shitty takes about fat people or whine about pc culture.",
">\n\nWhen you call some MF that doesn't necessarily mean you are a MF... I'm not saying it's okay to say abusing words but we still do use them.\nI don't think she said it in literal terms, it was completely literary. Also she only said it cause it was Tate who she said it to. Also if a woman has small tits and someone said to someone else that they have small tits energy, I don't think one who actually has small tits would mind it, cause she is not involved and it's kinda perfect way of irritating Tate.. cause he really cares about these things. \nWhen it comes to increasing the insecurity of someone who actually has small D and is insecure about it... She couldn't think so far cause all she wanted was to irritate Tate and she was successful",
">\n\nI don't think it even irritated him if that was her goal but definitely helped him with popularity. It just proves what he says people think of insecure men, it just moves them to him and he gains more influence. It was an ignorant reply in poor taste. Someone with much following and influence as Greta shouldn't be as irresponsible and the followers shouldn't be having to do mental gymnastics to defend her instead of seeing it as it is: body shaming against men.",
">\n\nIs this some kind of weird meta-game? Are Andrew Tate fans pretending to actually be offended by this stupid insult to prove a point? Does anybody actually think her retort was any sharper than a brick wrapped in a wet blanket?\nWhat is going on here?!",
">\n\n\nWhat is going on here?!\n\nAndrew Tate fans have a lot of small dick energy. That's whats going on.",
">\n\nWhy are people not allowed dislike tate (he's an absolute idiot and a grifter) and also to criticize obvious body shaming from a supposed progressive? If Biden started talking about \"N*gger energy\" criticizing Kanye for antisemitism, would that be ok in your eyes? Would you say that a black guy who doesn't like that must be an angry Kanye fan? Or is it disgustingly offensive towards all African Americans to use that type of language no matter what?",
">\n\nBecause it suits their narrative to frame it as if people are just defending tate. It's easier than just actually defending body shaming. Done deal.",
">\n\nI think Greta used that phrase not because she actually believes or wants to promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior, but because people like Andrew Tate believe and promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior. If Andrew Tate gets hurt because Greta says he has small dick energy, then maybe -- just maybe, with the tiniest bit of introspection -- he'll come to realize how hateful some of his language is.\nBullies like Andrew Tate don't really respond to logic or pleas for sympathy. The only way to maybe make them understand the hurt they cause is to inflict it on them, because they don't care about anyone but themselves. \nSo instead of putting the cart before the horse and blaming Greta for using an offensive phrase as an argumentative tactic, maybe blame the people who use the phrase to actually demean people.",
">\n\nCan we substitute fat instead and be justified?",
">\n\nYes people did that with Trump when he claimed to be the fittest person ever basically. If someone has a habit of insulting people a certain way or making certain claims then they open themselves up to specific insults. \nSometimes we'd find those insults not tasteful if said to other people. But I feel like most people equating this to fat insults don't actually care about fat people. A lot of people would also be like oh things are getting too pc or soft or woke when it comes to body positivity towards fat people. So for me it's hard to buy this line of reasoning as being truly valid or caring.",
">\n\nNo one said it has to be authentic caring. This sub is for exploring the intellectual arguments. Your perception of how authentic someone’s feelings towards fat people is basically irrelevant. Argue the point or don’t. Passing your authenticity test is a wierd standard to try to argue for.",
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">\n\nYes, making insults is offensive. That's the point.\nInsults that reference a body part are also offensive to people who are insecure about that body part. That's also kinda obvious.\nWhat do you want your mind changed about here? I'm unclear about what you think can be discussed about an insult meant to be insulting. Are you arguing that this insult is especially wrong in some way?\nHow is this not just you soapboxing?",
">\n\nThere's a reason as a society we don't use insults like \"retard\". This is in the same vein. You're attributing a negative thing with a man having a small penis. This is harmful as it perpetuates the stigma surrounding penis size which is outside ones control. Essentially it degrades a group of people who have nothing to do with it. OP wants to know whether or not this is reconciled. Reading the comments... It has not been. \nMaking gendered insults doesn't bother me truthfully but I can understand the frustration OP is expressing because were it to be a man making some edgy reference to a woman's lady parts being inadequate as a way to demean them then everyone would be outraged as opposed to cheering it on.",
">\n\nUsing “small dick” as an insult, or “loose pussy” isn’t really offensive unless you are insecure about the physical viability of your reproductive organs. \nBut, that doesn’t make it funny. It’s a really juvenile and uncreative way of ridiculing someone.",
">\n\nInsecure women are offended when they're fat shamed.\nIt's still body shaming.\nIt's still wrong.",
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">\n\nGuy randomly decides to flex on her by saying I HAVE CARS AND I LIKE TO GO VROOOOM. It's like when Piers decides that it's absolutely important to eat meat in front of vegans. It's not about penis size. It's just that smalldickenergy is a perfect explanation of why would someone decide to behave like this.",
">\n\nShe is 19. Maybe in a few years she will have more mature insults. It’s a lot of pressure to be put on someone so young to also say the perfect thing all the time",
">\n\nUnder nearly all circumstances, I agree with you.\nHowever, for a lot of people who have built a cult of personality around any given ideal, insults of the inoffensive type are completely commonplace. All they have to do is fend off one or two instances of this PG rated attacks, strawman them, call them snowflakes, and their following is bolstered and enhanced. Instead of having any negative effect, it becomes part of their inherent power.\nSometimes if you want to rattle a cult leader you have to hit with precision their most critical weakness and watch them implode. The fact that Tate is squirming so hard and doing everything he can to reclaim some of his dignity after Greta's clapback means that she has his number. Great isn't saying that having a small dick is bad, but knowing that Tate's entire personality is built about being an alpha male and that calling into question the size of his member will hurt him the most is what she was after. \nOf course, it wasn't classy and could be offensive to some. But as the saying goes, sometimes you have to fight fire with fire.",
">\n\nReally is he squirming? \nHe's rich he's popular and now he's gotten someone he disagrees with to repeat his ideology and platform spreading it to a wider audience. \nI'd argue he's happy for the attention and popularity that she's given to him now and enjoying the increased sales in his business as more men who feel marginalized and left out join him seeing this hypocrisy playing out. Not to mention all the political players( internationally) who were against climate action seeing all this and aligning themselves appropriately, possibly propping him up and making him something more than what he actually is- An ignorant troll. \nEngage with a troll and you only give them more power. The tweet was dumb and people should know better.\nEdit: spacing",
">\n\nI'm not commenting on whether or not his fans will like him more or if the controversy will inadvertently grant him a wider audience. \nI'm commenting that Greta knew exactly where and how to hit him the hardest. Yes, he is definitely squirming. He has scrambled out half a dozen prepubescent \"I know you are but what am I\" tweets. Then he went and made the absolute cringiest response video. He's incensed by being talked down to by Greta and is overcompensating. \nDid her tweet have any net positive effect on society? No. Did it ruffle Tate's feathers and make his blood boil? Yea. Would he have even cared if she called him a misogynistic prick? Absolutely not. He would have just told her to sit down and shut up, that misogyny is made up by inferior women blah blah blah...\nInstead, his insecurities are eating him alive.",
">\n\nWhy even respond and give him attention that he so desperately craves? And why body shame men in the process? \nIf she didn't have a better insult she could have just went on with her life instead of helping him grow. Using \"small dick energy\" as an insult means implicitly we agree that people with small penises are inferior and undesirable. That's basically what Tate is on about ( Toxic masculinity). And by laughing at her tweet we all reinforce that perception. Do you get that? \nSick of double standards and hypocrisy. At least people should have the courage to own up and acknowledge it then move on instead of doubling down and performing mental gymnastics to justify an obvious case of body shaming.\nI agree with you on one thing that the net effect on society because of this tweet exchange is negative and only serves the people who Greta and her followers hate.",
">\n\nI think you are missing what I am saying. I fully agree that it wasn't necessary nor was it the right thing for Greta to do. I also agree that it just gives him attention and was overall a useless venture other for the entertainment of Tate haters.\nOP asked why it is okay. I stated that it isn't okay but that I understand why Greta took that road rather than the suggested non-offensive approach. It is because he's immune to it. What he isn't immune to is his masculinity and ego being questioned. What is the point of the Wolf continuing to blow on the brick house? None. To get to the scared little piggies inside he needs a jackhammer. \nAnd it worked exactly how she planned it to. He was rattled and anyone who hates Tate is amused. \nNot saying it's the right thing to do, nor do I want anyone to feel ashamed of the size of their penis.",
">\n\nOk.. thanks for elaborating on that. I misunderstood your comment as a disagreement and engaged to try and change your mind but seems we share the same view.",
">\n\nYou do not know what Greta is \"fully aware\" of. She is referring to character and behaviour, why are you taking this personally? She isn't speaking to you, hasn't seen you, doesn't know you. I don't know why you are externalizing your issue like this and waving it around in public, is it our responsibility to fix this for you?\nShe was just making a tiny joke. Relax. smalldickenergy @ getalife .com is hilarious.",
">\n\nAside from everything else, it's men who started the 'big dick energy' idiocy so to then complain when someone uses their own stupidity against them...",
">\n\nYeah because men are a monolith and we all meet in a room and know each other smh."
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"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult.",
">\n\nIt's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh.",
">\n\nHonestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV",
">\n\nPeople can make mistakes and this was one of them.. so we can all just criticize her reply fairly and move on. No need for acute mental gymnastics to defend her as this comments section is showing lmao.",
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">\n\nI don't think anyone is arguing it's not offensive. I'm pretty sure she was trying to offend insecure men. Apparently with great success.",
">\n\nShe was trying to offend men who were insecure about their body image?\nHow is that not body shaming?",
">\n\nIt is, but we playing the avoidance and rationalization game",
">\n\nbecause women invented \"small dick energy\"\nharsh, sad. but we go jim🗿",
">\n\nOP never mentioned women tho. Post is strictly about why it's offensive. Do you disagree that it's not offensive or you think it's a trivial matter to make fun of that men's mental health doesn't matter as much?",
">\n\nThe female equivalent is\n\"Loose Pussy Energy\".\nThe typical man-hate hypocrisy commonly going around is beyond obvious. And it is an attack on All men and boys not just some.",
">\n\nNot a disagreement per se, but also worth noting that it’s transphobic. Which is to say, it insults all men by reinforcing patriarchy and punching down to two groups of men.",
">\n\nShe said small dick energy. Not that he had a small dick (though, come on). She used that phrase BECAUSE it's Tate. She's not a moron.\nHe is, as evidenced by his life to this point and his two responses to Thunberg, which were epically pathetic, is a moron and didn't seem to get it, though he doesn't get a lot.",
">\n\nThis is worse than saying he has a small dick, because how would she know, and that would just be dismissed as stupid.\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\nI can't understand the mental gymnastics some people are doing to try and say this isn't body shaming.",
">\n\n\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\n\nI mean yeah -- kind of like how pussy is an insult denoting cowardice, cunt is an insult meaning basically, terrible, etc., \nShe used that on purpose. Are you making CMV every time you see someone calling someone else a pussy?",
">\n\nPussy is kind of already known to be a shitty gendered insult so it doesn't need a CMV. In this case, Greta's gendered \"having a small penis is bad\" tweet is massively amplified, reached r/all on a shitload of subs, etc. so some discussion about whether or not that is cool is warranted",
">\n\nSmall dick energy isn’t about having a small dick tho. It’s a reflection of an attitude that men who are offensive, aggressive, nasty to people are overcompensating for their insecurities. A small dick doesn’t mean you won’t be able to find a partner or that you’re any less of a man. Being a downright trash bag of a human to others, like in this instance where an internet edgelord is cyber bullying a teenager on the internet who is fighting for the survival of our planet/humanity is an example of this trash behavior, is more of a determining factor. \nYou can also have a small dick but have big dick energy, as it’s reflective of who you are as a person. It’s an attitude. It’s who you choose to be to yourself and others. Hell, there’s women who use the term that they have big dick energy and I can tell you those women’s dicks are none existent so therefore size isn’t a thing. \nNo one should be made fun of for something they had no control over. The worth of a man is not tied to the size of his penis. Although, toxic masculinity and shallow people will tell you different. They say the same for disabled people, fat people etc. There’s plenty of people who are not “conventional standards of beauty” which is the majority of us, that lead happy, healthy relationships. Those relationships start with yourself and understanding your worth as a person isn’t tied to what you look like or how big your junk is. \nThe point is if you choose to be a trash person like Tate, where your self worth is tied into how cruel/offensive you can be to other people, don’t be mad if people call you out for that trashy attitude. Your post definitely reeks of “men are the true victims” when clearly you didn’t seem to have a problem with a grown man cyber bullying a teenager.",
">\n\nI like how you imply that OP is a fan of a literal human trafficker because they point out that a body-shaming insult is body-shaming. Do you understand why associating a trait of someone's body with negative personality traits is bad?",
">\n\nNo because people like this always have exceptions that allow them to use the things they complain about. Cognitive gymnastics allows them to recognise shaming women and people of colour is bad, because society will eat them otherwise, but when someone shows up who deserves a bit of a roasting all of their social etiquette rules go out the window and the excuses come out as to why in this context it doesn't count.\n\"Ahh no, here it is a reflection of an attitude\" blah blah 3 paragraphs later and we've clouded over the simple fact that body shaming is body shaming and harms people you weren't intending to insult.",
">\n\nPeople like this? You’re assuming things about me because I am a character in your mind not a real person. I am not a monolith. We should not be body shaming people. I am explaining the other side of this issue and why people use these terms. You never asked if I use these same terms in my life. You assumed I do. I don’t. You didn’t even bother to read my response because if you did you would have realized this.",
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">\n\nYou can have smol pp but big pp energy and vice versa",
">\n\nSo why is the phrase small dick energy if it has nothing to do with having a small dick?",
">\n\nIdk man, I just work here.",
">\n\nYou know why. Lol cause small dick is associated with bad. And by insulting dicks you use this knowledge to offend, at the cost of body shaming people. \nStop feigning dumb just to avoid the reasoning lol",
">\n\nI can see how it would be offensive, and I wouldn’t use it myself. I feel like the phrase refers more to how someone acts as opposed to how they are endowed. And how it’s behavior and actions that make people think down of you not your penis.",
">\n\nPoint is that we, as a society, should encourage better insults that attack the comments of the person without necessarily having to equate it to something someone with a small dick.",
">\n\nWould you agree with me, that if Andrew clapped back with one of those that the internet would be up in arms about it?",
">\n\nYou mean the way that you are, here, on the internet, up in arms?",
">\n\nIm one person on reddit, theres no major backlash like there would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\nSee, what's happening here is that you are also looking at people who are \"one person on Reddit\" and pretending it's a major backlash. Andrew Tate says fucked up things about women all the time (in fact, it's kind of his whole schtick) and it's as much of a non-event as this is.",
">\n\nPlease link me to something fucked up hes said about women, and ill agree with you, two wrongs don't make a right.",
">\n\nHere's exhibit A.",
">\n\nSure I agree with you he has said fucked up stuff about women, it doesn't mean its okay to make a joke about small dick energy.\nDo you understand my point?",
">\n\nWe understand, it's just that your point is fucking stupid",
">\n\nYou have no idea what his point is, it's funny that people on this thread OP and others actually like Andrew Tate.\nIt proves that everyone is completely frothingly tribalistic with zero nuance.",
">\n\nIf someone is behaving insufferably, people are going to laugh at them for things that they wouldn’t find funny if it happened to someone they liked.\nFor example, is it funny when people go bankrupt? No. Would it be funny if someone like Andrew Tate went bankrupt after boasting about Bugattis and all of his mass wealth? Yes. This doesn’t mean people who would make fun of him for that are making fun of poverty or all people who lose their livelihoods, it would just be funny if it happened to that particular person. \nIn the same way, the idea that Tate does all the douchey, over the top macho things that he does in order to compensate for having a small penis is funny, whilst it not being funny to make fun of every person who has a small penis.",
">\n\nSubstitute fat. Is that ok?",
">\n\nDepends on what the fat person is doing. If the person is minding their own business then no, if the fat person is attacking other people’s appearances then yeah go for it.",
">\n\nInteresting take. Might want to play with that a bit. A lot of situations where your reasoning falls apart.",
">\n\nPeople insulted Trump for being fat when he tried to say he was like the most fit person ever. People make fun of Elon Musk's body. You can make the same type of insult to two different people and it come off two different ways. \nWhen you make your identity or argument around something it opens up certain insults and comebacks. \nTate's whole thing is trying to act like this \"alpha male\" when in reality he's a sex trafficking weirdo who pays women to hang out with him. It's totally fine to insult him with a childish insult. \nI also find that people worried or mad about this don't actually care about body image issues. They just want a gotcha moment for people. Because many would have shitty takes about fat people or whine about pc culture.",
">\n\nWhen you call some MF that doesn't necessarily mean you are a MF... I'm not saying it's okay to say abusing words but we still do use them.\nI don't think she said it in literal terms, it was completely literary. Also she only said it cause it was Tate who she said it to. Also if a woman has small tits and someone said to someone else that they have small tits energy, I don't think one who actually has small tits would mind it, cause she is not involved and it's kinda perfect way of irritating Tate.. cause he really cares about these things. \nWhen it comes to increasing the insecurity of someone who actually has small D and is insecure about it... She couldn't think so far cause all she wanted was to irritate Tate and she was successful",
">\n\nI don't think it even irritated him if that was her goal but definitely helped him with popularity. It just proves what he says people think of insecure men, it just moves them to him and he gains more influence. It was an ignorant reply in poor taste. Someone with much following and influence as Greta shouldn't be as irresponsible and the followers shouldn't be having to do mental gymnastics to defend her instead of seeing it as it is: body shaming against men.",
">\n\nIs this some kind of weird meta-game? Are Andrew Tate fans pretending to actually be offended by this stupid insult to prove a point? Does anybody actually think her retort was any sharper than a brick wrapped in a wet blanket?\nWhat is going on here?!",
">\n\n\nWhat is going on here?!\n\nAndrew Tate fans have a lot of small dick energy. That's whats going on.",
">\n\nWhy are people not allowed dislike tate (he's an absolute idiot and a grifter) and also to criticize obvious body shaming from a supposed progressive? If Biden started talking about \"N*gger energy\" criticizing Kanye for antisemitism, would that be ok in your eyes? Would you say that a black guy who doesn't like that must be an angry Kanye fan? Or is it disgustingly offensive towards all African Americans to use that type of language no matter what?",
">\n\nBecause it suits their narrative to frame it as if people are just defending tate. It's easier than just actually defending body shaming. Done deal.",
">\n\nI think Greta used that phrase not because she actually believes or wants to promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior, but because people like Andrew Tate believe and promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior. If Andrew Tate gets hurt because Greta says he has small dick energy, then maybe -- just maybe, with the tiniest bit of introspection -- he'll come to realize how hateful some of his language is.\nBullies like Andrew Tate don't really respond to logic or pleas for sympathy. The only way to maybe make them understand the hurt they cause is to inflict it on them, because they don't care about anyone but themselves. \nSo instead of putting the cart before the horse and blaming Greta for using an offensive phrase as an argumentative tactic, maybe blame the people who use the phrase to actually demean people.",
">\n\nCan we substitute fat instead and be justified?",
">\n\nYes people did that with Trump when he claimed to be the fittest person ever basically. If someone has a habit of insulting people a certain way or making certain claims then they open themselves up to specific insults. \nSometimes we'd find those insults not tasteful if said to other people. But I feel like most people equating this to fat insults don't actually care about fat people. A lot of people would also be like oh things are getting too pc or soft or woke when it comes to body positivity towards fat people. So for me it's hard to buy this line of reasoning as being truly valid or caring.",
">\n\nNo one said it has to be authentic caring. This sub is for exploring the intellectual arguments. Your perception of how authentic someone’s feelings towards fat people is basically irrelevant. Argue the point or don’t. Passing your authenticity test is a wierd standard to try to argue for.",
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">\n\nYes, making insults is offensive. That's the point.\nInsults that reference a body part are also offensive to people who are insecure about that body part. That's also kinda obvious.\nWhat do you want your mind changed about here? I'm unclear about what you think can be discussed about an insult meant to be insulting. Are you arguing that this insult is especially wrong in some way?\nHow is this not just you soapboxing?",
">\n\nThere's a reason as a society we don't use insults like \"retard\". This is in the same vein. You're attributing a negative thing with a man having a small penis. This is harmful as it perpetuates the stigma surrounding penis size which is outside ones control. Essentially it degrades a group of people who have nothing to do with it. OP wants to know whether or not this is reconciled. Reading the comments... It has not been. \nMaking gendered insults doesn't bother me truthfully but I can understand the frustration OP is expressing because were it to be a man making some edgy reference to a woman's lady parts being inadequate as a way to demean them then everyone would be outraged as opposed to cheering it on.",
">\n\nUsing “small dick” as an insult, or “loose pussy” isn’t really offensive unless you are insecure about the physical viability of your reproductive organs. \nBut, that doesn’t make it funny. It’s a really juvenile and uncreative way of ridiculing someone.",
">\n\nInsecure women are offended when they're fat shamed.\nIt's still body shaming.\nIt's still wrong.",
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">\n\nGuy randomly decides to flex on her by saying I HAVE CARS AND I LIKE TO GO VROOOOM. It's like when Piers decides that it's absolutely important to eat meat in front of vegans. It's not about penis size. It's just that smalldickenergy is a perfect explanation of why would someone decide to behave like this.",
">\n\nShe is 19. Maybe in a few years she will have more mature insults. It’s a lot of pressure to be put on someone so young to also say the perfect thing all the time",
">\n\nUnder nearly all circumstances, I agree with you.\nHowever, for a lot of people who have built a cult of personality around any given ideal, insults of the inoffensive type are completely commonplace. All they have to do is fend off one or two instances of this PG rated attacks, strawman them, call them snowflakes, and their following is bolstered and enhanced. Instead of having any negative effect, it becomes part of their inherent power.\nSometimes if you want to rattle a cult leader you have to hit with precision their most critical weakness and watch them implode. The fact that Tate is squirming so hard and doing everything he can to reclaim some of his dignity after Greta's clapback means that she has his number. Great isn't saying that having a small dick is bad, but knowing that Tate's entire personality is built about being an alpha male and that calling into question the size of his member will hurt him the most is what she was after. \nOf course, it wasn't classy and could be offensive to some. But as the saying goes, sometimes you have to fight fire with fire.",
">\n\nReally is he squirming? \nHe's rich he's popular and now he's gotten someone he disagrees with to repeat his ideology and platform spreading it to a wider audience. \nI'd argue he's happy for the attention and popularity that she's given to him now and enjoying the increased sales in his business as more men who feel marginalized and left out join him seeing this hypocrisy playing out. Not to mention all the political players( internationally) who were against climate action seeing all this and aligning themselves appropriately, possibly propping him up and making him something more than what he actually is- An ignorant troll. \nEngage with a troll and you only give them more power. The tweet was dumb and people should know better.\nEdit: spacing",
">\n\nI'm not commenting on whether or not his fans will like him more or if the controversy will inadvertently grant him a wider audience. \nI'm commenting that Greta knew exactly where and how to hit him the hardest. Yes, he is definitely squirming. He has scrambled out half a dozen prepubescent \"I know you are but what am I\" tweets. Then he went and made the absolute cringiest response video. He's incensed by being talked down to by Greta and is overcompensating. \nDid her tweet have any net positive effect on society? No. Did it ruffle Tate's feathers and make his blood boil? Yea. Would he have even cared if she called him a misogynistic prick? Absolutely not. He would have just told her to sit down and shut up, that misogyny is made up by inferior women blah blah blah...\nInstead, his insecurities are eating him alive.",
">\n\nWhy even respond and give him attention that he so desperately craves? And why body shame men in the process? \nIf she didn't have a better insult she could have just went on with her life instead of helping him grow. Using \"small dick energy\" as an insult means implicitly we agree that people with small penises are inferior and undesirable. That's basically what Tate is on about ( Toxic masculinity). And by laughing at her tweet we all reinforce that perception. Do you get that? \nSick of double standards and hypocrisy. At least people should have the courage to own up and acknowledge it then move on instead of doubling down and performing mental gymnastics to justify an obvious case of body shaming.\nI agree with you on one thing that the net effect on society because of this tweet exchange is negative and only serves the people who Greta and her followers hate.",
">\n\nI think you are missing what I am saying. I fully agree that it wasn't necessary nor was it the right thing for Greta to do. I also agree that it just gives him attention and was overall a useless venture other for the entertainment of Tate haters.\nOP asked why it is okay. I stated that it isn't okay but that I understand why Greta took that road rather than the suggested non-offensive approach. It is because he's immune to it. What he isn't immune to is his masculinity and ego being questioned. What is the point of the Wolf continuing to blow on the brick house? None. To get to the scared little piggies inside he needs a jackhammer. \nAnd it worked exactly how she planned it to. He was rattled and anyone who hates Tate is amused. \nNot saying it's the right thing to do, nor do I want anyone to feel ashamed of the size of their penis.",
">\n\nOk.. thanks for elaborating on that. I misunderstood your comment as a disagreement and engaged to try and change your mind but seems we share the same view.",
">\n\nYou do not know what Greta is \"fully aware\" of. She is referring to character and behaviour, why are you taking this personally? She isn't speaking to you, hasn't seen you, doesn't know you. I don't know why you are externalizing your issue like this and waving it around in public, is it our responsibility to fix this for you?\nShe was just making a tiny joke. Relax. smalldickenergy @ getalife .com is hilarious.",
">\n\nAside from everything else, it's men who started the 'big dick energy' idiocy so to then complain when someone uses their own stupidity against them...",
">\n\nYeah because men are a monolith and we all meet in a room and know each other smh.",
">\n\nThey’re saying it’s offensive to more than just Andrew Tate"
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What do you mean again? You didn’t say that before. And why does the purpose matter? You can do a bad thing without meaning to.
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"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult.",
">\n\nIt's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh.",
">\n\nHonestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV",
">\n\nPeople can make mistakes and this was one of them.. so we can all just criticize her reply fairly and move on. No need for acute mental gymnastics to defend her as this comments section is showing lmao.",
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">\n\nI don't think anyone is arguing it's not offensive. I'm pretty sure she was trying to offend insecure men. Apparently with great success.",
">\n\nShe was trying to offend men who were insecure about their body image?\nHow is that not body shaming?",
">\n\nIt is, but we playing the avoidance and rationalization game",
">\n\nbecause women invented \"small dick energy\"\nharsh, sad. but we go jim🗿",
">\n\nOP never mentioned women tho. Post is strictly about why it's offensive. Do you disagree that it's not offensive or you think it's a trivial matter to make fun of that men's mental health doesn't matter as much?",
">\n\nThe female equivalent is\n\"Loose Pussy Energy\".\nThe typical man-hate hypocrisy commonly going around is beyond obvious. And it is an attack on All men and boys not just some.",
">\n\nNot a disagreement per se, but also worth noting that it’s transphobic. Which is to say, it insults all men by reinforcing patriarchy and punching down to two groups of men.",
">\n\nShe said small dick energy. Not that he had a small dick (though, come on). She used that phrase BECAUSE it's Tate. She's not a moron.\nHe is, as evidenced by his life to this point and his two responses to Thunberg, which were epically pathetic, is a moron and didn't seem to get it, though he doesn't get a lot.",
">\n\nThis is worse than saying he has a small dick, because how would she know, and that would just be dismissed as stupid.\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\nI can't understand the mental gymnastics some people are doing to try and say this isn't body shaming.",
">\n\n\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\n\nI mean yeah -- kind of like how pussy is an insult denoting cowardice, cunt is an insult meaning basically, terrible, etc., \nShe used that on purpose. Are you making CMV every time you see someone calling someone else a pussy?",
">\n\nPussy is kind of already known to be a shitty gendered insult so it doesn't need a CMV. In this case, Greta's gendered \"having a small penis is bad\" tweet is massively amplified, reached r/all on a shitload of subs, etc. so some discussion about whether or not that is cool is warranted",
">\n\nSmall dick energy isn’t about having a small dick tho. It’s a reflection of an attitude that men who are offensive, aggressive, nasty to people are overcompensating for their insecurities. A small dick doesn’t mean you won’t be able to find a partner or that you’re any less of a man. Being a downright trash bag of a human to others, like in this instance where an internet edgelord is cyber bullying a teenager on the internet who is fighting for the survival of our planet/humanity is an example of this trash behavior, is more of a determining factor. \nYou can also have a small dick but have big dick energy, as it’s reflective of who you are as a person. It’s an attitude. It’s who you choose to be to yourself and others. Hell, there’s women who use the term that they have big dick energy and I can tell you those women’s dicks are none existent so therefore size isn’t a thing. \nNo one should be made fun of for something they had no control over. The worth of a man is not tied to the size of his penis. Although, toxic masculinity and shallow people will tell you different. They say the same for disabled people, fat people etc. There’s plenty of people who are not “conventional standards of beauty” which is the majority of us, that lead happy, healthy relationships. Those relationships start with yourself and understanding your worth as a person isn’t tied to what you look like or how big your junk is. \nThe point is if you choose to be a trash person like Tate, where your self worth is tied into how cruel/offensive you can be to other people, don’t be mad if people call you out for that trashy attitude. Your post definitely reeks of “men are the true victims” when clearly you didn’t seem to have a problem with a grown man cyber bullying a teenager.",
">\n\nI like how you imply that OP is a fan of a literal human trafficker because they point out that a body-shaming insult is body-shaming. Do you understand why associating a trait of someone's body with negative personality traits is bad?",
">\n\nNo because people like this always have exceptions that allow them to use the things they complain about. Cognitive gymnastics allows them to recognise shaming women and people of colour is bad, because society will eat them otherwise, but when someone shows up who deserves a bit of a roasting all of their social etiquette rules go out the window and the excuses come out as to why in this context it doesn't count.\n\"Ahh no, here it is a reflection of an attitude\" blah blah 3 paragraphs later and we've clouded over the simple fact that body shaming is body shaming and harms people you weren't intending to insult.",
">\n\nPeople like this? You’re assuming things about me because I am a character in your mind not a real person. I am not a monolith. We should not be body shaming people. I am explaining the other side of this issue and why people use these terms. You never asked if I use these same terms in my life. You assumed I do. I don’t. You didn’t even bother to read my response because if you did you would have realized this.",
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">\n\nYou can have smol pp but big pp energy and vice versa",
">\n\nSo why is the phrase small dick energy if it has nothing to do with having a small dick?",
">\n\nIdk man, I just work here.",
">\n\nYou know why. Lol cause small dick is associated with bad. And by insulting dicks you use this knowledge to offend, at the cost of body shaming people. \nStop feigning dumb just to avoid the reasoning lol",
">\n\nI can see how it would be offensive, and I wouldn’t use it myself. I feel like the phrase refers more to how someone acts as opposed to how they are endowed. And how it’s behavior and actions that make people think down of you not your penis.",
">\n\nPoint is that we, as a society, should encourage better insults that attack the comments of the person without necessarily having to equate it to something someone with a small dick.",
">\n\nWould you agree with me, that if Andrew clapped back with one of those that the internet would be up in arms about it?",
">\n\nYou mean the way that you are, here, on the internet, up in arms?",
">\n\nIm one person on reddit, theres no major backlash like there would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\nSee, what's happening here is that you are also looking at people who are \"one person on Reddit\" and pretending it's a major backlash. Andrew Tate says fucked up things about women all the time (in fact, it's kind of his whole schtick) and it's as much of a non-event as this is.",
">\n\nPlease link me to something fucked up hes said about women, and ill agree with you, two wrongs don't make a right.",
">\n\nHere's exhibit A.",
">\n\nSure I agree with you he has said fucked up stuff about women, it doesn't mean its okay to make a joke about small dick energy.\nDo you understand my point?",
">\n\nWe understand, it's just that your point is fucking stupid",
">\n\nYou have no idea what his point is, it's funny that people on this thread OP and others actually like Andrew Tate.\nIt proves that everyone is completely frothingly tribalistic with zero nuance.",
">\n\nIf someone is behaving insufferably, people are going to laugh at them for things that they wouldn’t find funny if it happened to someone they liked.\nFor example, is it funny when people go bankrupt? No. Would it be funny if someone like Andrew Tate went bankrupt after boasting about Bugattis and all of his mass wealth? Yes. This doesn’t mean people who would make fun of him for that are making fun of poverty or all people who lose their livelihoods, it would just be funny if it happened to that particular person. \nIn the same way, the idea that Tate does all the douchey, over the top macho things that he does in order to compensate for having a small penis is funny, whilst it not being funny to make fun of every person who has a small penis.",
">\n\nSubstitute fat. Is that ok?",
">\n\nDepends on what the fat person is doing. If the person is minding their own business then no, if the fat person is attacking other people’s appearances then yeah go for it.",
">\n\nInteresting take. Might want to play with that a bit. A lot of situations where your reasoning falls apart.",
">\n\nPeople insulted Trump for being fat when he tried to say he was like the most fit person ever. People make fun of Elon Musk's body. You can make the same type of insult to two different people and it come off two different ways. \nWhen you make your identity or argument around something it opens up certain insults and comebacks. \nTate's whole thing is trying to act like this \"alpha male\" when in reality he's a sex trafficking weirdo who pays women to hang out with him. It's totally fine to insult him with a childish insult. \nI also find that people worried or mad about this don't actually care about body image issues. They just want a gotcha moment for people. Because many would have shitty takes about fat people or whine about pc culture.",
">\n\nWhen you call some MF that doesn't necessarily mean you are a MF... I'm not saying it's okay to say abusing words but we still do use them.\nI don't think she said it in literal terms, it was completely literary. Also she only said it cause it was Tate who she said it to. Also if a woman has small tits and someone said to someone else that they have small tits energy, I don't think one who actually has small tits would mind it, cause she is not involved and it's kinda perfect way of irritating Tate.. cause he really cares about these things. \nWhen it comes to increasing the insecurity of someone who actually has small D and is insecure about it... She couldn't think so far cause all she wanted was to irritate Tate and she was successful",
">\n\nI don't think it even irritated him if that was her goal but definitely helped him with popularity. It just proves what he says people think of insecure men, it just moves them to him and he gains more influence. It was an ignorant reply in poor taste. Someone with much following and influence as Greta shouldn't be as irresponsible and the followers shouldn't be having to do mental gymnastics to defend her instead of seeing it as it is: body shaming against men.",
">\n\nIs this some kind of weird meta-game? Are Andrew Tate fans pretending to actually be offended by this stupid insult to prove a point? Does anybody actually think her retort was any sharper than a brick wrapped in a wet blanket?\nWhat is going on here?!",
">\n\n\nWhat is going on here?!\n\nAndrew Tate fans have a lot of small dick energy. That's whats going on.",
">\n\nWhy are people not allowed dislike tate (he's an absolute idiot and a grifter) and also to criticize obvious body shaming from a supposed progressive? If Biden started talking about \"N*gger energy\" criticizing Kanye for antisemitism, would that be ok in your eyes? Would you say that a black guy who doesn't like that must be an angry Kanye fan? Or is it disgustingly offensive towards all African Americans to use that type of language no matter what?",
">\n\nBecause it suits their narrative to frame it as if people are just defending tate. It's easier than just actually defending body shaming. Done deal.",
">\n\nI think Greta used that phrase not because she actually believes or wants to promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior, but because people like Andrew Tate believe and promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior. If Andrew Tate gets hurt because Greta says he has small dick energy, then maybe -- just maybe, with the tiniest bit of introspection -- he'll come to realize how hateful some of his language is.\nBullies like Andrew Tate don't really respond to logic or pleas for sympathy. The only way to maybe make them understand the hurt they cause is to inflict it on them, because they don't care about anyone but themselves. \nSo instead of putting the cart before the horse and blaming Greta for using an offensive phrase as an argumentative tactic, maybe blame the people who use the phrase to actually demean people.",
">\n\nCan we substitute fat instead and be justified?",
">\n\nYes people did that with Trump when he claimed to be the fittest person ever basically. If someone has a habit of insulting people a certain way or making certain claims then they open themselves up to specific insults. \nSometimes we'd find those insults not tasteful if said to other people. But I feel like most people equating this to fat insults don't actually care about fat people. A lot of people would also be like oh things are getting too pc or soft or woke when it comes to body positivity towards fat people. So for me it's hard to buy this line of reasoning as being truly valid or caring.",
">\n\nNo one said it has to be authentic caring. This sub is for exploring the intellectual arguments. Your perception of how authentic someone’s feelings towards fat people is basically irrelevant. Argue the point or don’t. Passing your authenticity test is a wierd standard to try to argue for.",
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">\n\nYes, making insults is offensive. That's the point.\nInsults that reference a body part are also offensive to people who are insecure about that body part. That's also kinda obvious.\nWhat do you want your mind changed about here? I'm unclear about what you think can be discussed about an insult meant to be insulting. Are you arguing that this insult is especially wrong in some way?\nHow is this not just you soapboxing?",
">\n\nThere's a reason as a society we don't use insults like \"retard\". This is in the same vein. You're attributing a negative thing with a man having a small penis. This is harmful as it perpetuates the stigma surrounding penis size which is outside ones control. Essentially it degrades a group of people who have nothing to do with it. OP wants to know whether or not this is reconciled. Reading the comments... It has not been. \nMaking gendered insults doesn't bother me truthfully but I can understand the frustration OP is expressing because were it to be a man making some edgy reference to a woman's lady parts being inadequate as a way to demean them then everyone would be outraged as opposed to cheering it on.",
">\n\nUsing “small dick” as an insult, or “loose pussy” isn’t really offensive unless you are insecure about the physical viability of your reproductive organs. \nBut, that doesn’t make it funny. It’s a really juvenile and uncreative way of ridiculing someone.",
">\n\nInsecure women are offended when they're fat shamed.\nIt's still body shaming.\nIt's still wrong.",
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">\n\nGuy randomly decides to flex on her by saying I HAVE CARS AND I LIKE TO GO VROOOOM. It's like when Piers decides that it's absolutely important to eat meat in front of vegans. It's not about penis size. It's just that smalldickenergy is a perfect explanation of why would someone decide to behave like this.",
">\n\nShe is 19. Maybe in a few years she will have more mature insults. It’s a lot of pressure to be put on someone so young to also say the perfect thing all the time",
">\n\nUnder nearly all circumstances, I agree with you.\nHowever, for a lot of people who have built a cult of personality around any given ideal, insults of the inoffensive type are completely commonplace. All they have to do is fend off one or two instances of this PG rated attacks, strawman them, call them snowflakes, and their following is bolstered and enhanced. Instead of having any negative effect, it becomes part of their inherent power.\nSometimes if you want to rattle a cult leader you have to hit with precision their most critical weakness and watch them implode. The fact that Tate is squirming so hard and doing everything he can to reclaim some of his dignity after Greta's clapback means that she has his number. Great isn't saying that having a small dick is bad, but knowing that Tate's entire personality is built about being an alpha male and that calling into question the size of his member will hurt him the most is what she was after. \nOf course, it wasn't classy and could be offensive to some. But as the saying goes, sometimes you have to fight fire with fire.",
">\n\nReally is he squirming? \nHe's rich he's popular and now he's gotten someone he disagrees with to repeat his ideology and platform spreading it to a wider audience. \nI'd argue he's happy for the attention and popularity that she's given to him now and enjoying the increased sales in his business as more men who feel marginalized and left out join him seeing this hypocrisy playing out. Not to mention all the political players( internationally) who were against climate action seeing all this and aligning themselves appropriately, possibly propping him up and making him something more than what he actually is- An ignorant troll. \nEngage with a troll and you only give them more power. The tweet was dumb and people should know better.\nEdit: spacing",
">\n\nI'm not commenting on whether or not his fans will like him more or if the controversy will inadvertently grant him a wider audience. \nI'm commenting that Greta knew exactly where and how to hit him the hardest. Yes, he is definitely squirming. He has scrambled out half a dozen prepubescent \"I know you are but what am I\" tweets. Then he went and made the absolute cringiest response video. He's incensed by being talked down to by Greta and is overcompensating. \nDid her tweet have any net positive effect on society? No. Did it ruffle Tate's feathers and make his blood boil? Yea. Would he have even cared if she called him a misogynistic prick? Absolutely not. He would have just told her to sit down and shut up, that misogyny is made up by inferior women blah blah blah...\nInstead, his insecurities are eating him alive.",
">\n\nWhy even respond and give him attention that he so desperately craves? And why body shame men in the process? \nIf she didn't have a better insult she could have just went on with her life instead of helping him grow. Using \"small dick energy\" as an insult means implicitly we agree that people with small penises are inferior and undesirable. That's basically what Tate is on about ( Toxic masculinity). And by laughing at her tweet we all reinforce that perception. Do you get that? \nSick of double standards and hypocrisy. At least people should have the courage to own up and acknowledge it then move on instead of doubling down and performing mental gymnastics to justify an obvious case of body shaming.\nI agree with you on one thing that the net effect on society because of this tweet exchange is negative and only serves the people who Greta and her followers hate.",
">\n\nI think you are missing what I am saying. I fully agree that it wasn't necessary nor was it the right thing for Greta to do. I also agree that it just gives him attention and was overall a useless venture other for the entertainment of Tate haters.\nOP asked why it is okay. I stated that it isn't okay but that I understand why Greta took that road rather than the suggested non-offensive approach. It is because he's immune to it. What he isn't immune to is his masculinity and ego being questioned. What is the point of the Wolf continuing to blow on the brick house? None. To get to the scared little piggies inside he needs a jackhammer. \nAnd it worked exactly how she planned it to. He was rattled and anyone who hates Tate is amused. \nNot saying it's the right thing to do, nor do I want anyone to feel ashamed of the size of their penis.",
">\n\nOk.. thanks for elaborating on that. I misunderstood your comment as a disagreement and engaged to try and change your mind but seems we share the same view.",
">\n\nYou do not know what Greta is \"fully aware\" of. She is referring to character and behaviour, why are you taking this personally? She isn't speaking to you, hasn't seen you, doesn't know you. I don't know why you are externalizing your issue like this and waving it around in public, is it our responsibility to fix this for you?\nShe was just making a tiny joke. Relax. smalldickenergy @ getalife .com is hilarious.",
">\n\nAside from everything else, it's men who started the 'big dick energy' idiocy so to then complain when someone uses their own stupidity against them...",
">\n\nYeah because men are a monolith and we all meet in a room and know each other smh.",
">\n\nThey’re saying it’s offensive to more than just Andrew Tate",
">\n\nYeah but again, ISN'T THE PURPOSE"
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"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult.",
">\n\nIt's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh.",
">\n\nHonestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV",
">\n\nPeople can make mistakes and this was one of them.. so we can all just criticize her reply fairly and move on. No need for acute mental gymnastics to defend her as this comments section is showing lmao.",
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">\n\nI don't think anyone is arguing it's not offensive. I'm pretty sure she was trying to offend insecure men. Apparently with great success.",
">\n\nShe was trying to offend men who were insecure about their body image?\nHow is that not body shaming?",
">\n\nIt is, but we playing the avoidance and rationalization game",
">\n\nbecause women invented \"small dick energy\"\nharsh, sad. but we go jim🗿",
">\n\nOP never mentioned women tho. Post is strictly about why it's offensive. Do you disagree that it's not offensive or you think it's a trivial matter to make fun of that men's mental health doesn't matter as much?",
">\n\nThe female equivalent is\n\"Loose Pussy Energy\".\nThe typical man-hate hypocrisy commonly going around is beyond obvious. And it is an attack on All men and boys not just some.",
">\n\nNot a disagreement per se, but also worth noting that it’s transphobic. Which is to say, it insults all men by reinforcing patriarchy and punching down to two groups of men.",
">\n\nShe said small dick energy. Not that he had a small dick (though, come on). She used that phrase BECAUSE it's Tate. She's not a moron.\nHe is, as evidenced by his life to this point and his two responses to Thunberg, which were epically pathetic, is a moron and didn't seem to get it, though he doesn't get a lot.",
">\n\nThis is worse than saying he has a small dick, because how would she know, and that would just be dismissed as stupid.\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\nI can't understand the mental gymnastics some people are doing to try and say this isn't body shaming.",
">\n\n\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\n\nI mean yeah -- kind of like how pussy is an insult denoting cowardice, cunt is an insult meaning basically, terrible, etc., \nShe used that on purpose. Are you making CMV every time you see someone calling someone else a pussy?",
">\n\nPussy is kind of already known to be a shitty gendered insult so it doesn't need a CMV. In this case, Greta's gendered \"having a small penis is bad\" tweet is massively amplified, reached r/all on a shitload of subs, etc. so some discussion about whether or not that is cool is warranted",
">\n\nSmall dick energy isn’t about having a small dick tho. It’s a reflection of an attitude that men who are offensive, aggressive, nasty to people are overcompensating for their insecurities. A small dick doesn’t mean you won’t be able to find a partner or that you’re any less of a man. Being a downright trash bag of a human to others, like in this instance where an internet edgelord is cyber bullying a teenager on the internet who is fighting for the survival of our planet/humanity is an example of this trash behavior, is more of a determining factor. \nYou can also have a small dick but have big dick energy, as it’s reflective of who you are as a person. It’s an attitude. It’s who you choose to be to yourself and others. Hell, there’s women who use the term that they have big dick energy and I can tell you those women’s dicks are none existent so therefore size isn’t a thing. \nNo one should be made fun of for something they had no control over. The worth of a man is not tied to the size of his penis. Although, toxic masculinity and shallow people will tell you different. They say the same for disabled people, fat people etc. There’s plenty of people who are not “conventional standards of beauty” which is the majority of us, that lead happy, healthy relationships. Those relationships start with yourself and understanding your worth as a person isn’t tied to what you look like or how big your junk is. \nThe point is if you choose to be a trash person like Tate, where your self worth is tied into how cruel/offensive you can be to other people, don’t be mad if people call you out for that trashy attitude. Your post definitely reeks of “men are the true victims” when clearly you didn’t seem to have a problem with a grown man cyber bullying a teenager.",
">\n\nI like how you imply that OP is a fan of a literal human trafficker because they point out that a body-shaming insult is body-shaming. Do you understand why associating a trait of someone's body with negative personality traits is bad?",
">\n\nNo because people like this always have exceptions that allow them to use the things they complain about. Cognitive gymnastics allows them to recognise shaming women and people of colour is bad, because society will eat them otherwise, but when someone shows up who deserves a bit of a roasting all of their social etiquette rules go out the window and the excuses come out as to why in this context it doesn't count.\n\"Ahh no, here it is a reflection of an attitude\" blah blah 3 paragraphs later and we've clouded over the simple fact that body shaming is body shaming and harms people you weren't intending to insult.",
">\n\nPeople like this? You’re assuming things about me because I am a character in your mind not a real person. I am not a monolith. We should not be body shaming people. I am explaining the other side of this issue and why people use these terms. You never asked if I use these same terms in my life. You assumed I do. I don’t. You didn’t even bother to read my response because if you did you would have realized this.",
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">\n\nYou can have smol pp but big pp energy and vice versa",
">\n\nSo why is the phrase small dick energy if it has nothing to do with having a small dick?",
">\n\nIdk man, I just work here.",
">\n\nYou know why. Lol cause small dick is associated with bad. And by insulting dicks you use this knowledge to offend, at the cost of body shaming people. \nStop feigning dumb just to avoid the reasoning lol",
">\n\nI can see how it would be offensive, and I wouldn’t use it myself. I feel like the phrase refers more to how someone acts as opposed to how they are endowed. And how it’s behavior and actions that make people think down of you not your penis.",
">\n\nPoint is that we, as a society, should encourage better insults that attack the comments of the person without necessarily having to equate it to something someone with a small dick.",
">\n\nWould you agree with me, that if Andrew clapped back with one of those that the internet would be up in arms about it?",
">\n\nYou mean the way that you are, here, on the internet, up in arms?",
">\n\nIm one person on reddit, theres no major backlash like there would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\nSee, what's happening here is that you are also looking at people who are \"one person on Reddit\" and pretending it's a major backlash. Andrew Tate says fucked up things about women all the time (in fact, it's kind of his whole schtick) and it's as much of a non-event as this is.",
">\n\nPlease link me to something fucked up hes said about women, and ill agree with you, two wrongs don't make a right.",
">\n\nHere's exhibit A.",
">\n\nSure I agree with you he has said fucked up stuff about women, it doesn't mean its okay to make a joke about small dick energy.\nDo you understand my point?",
">\n\nWe understand, it's just that your point is fucking stupid",
">\n\nYou have no idea what his point is, it's funny that people on this thread OP and others actually like Andrew Tate.\nIt proves that everyone is completely frothingly tribalistic with zero nuance.",
">\n\nIf someone is behaving insufferably, people are going to laugh at them for things that they wouldn’t find funny if it happened to someone they liked.\nFor example, is it funny when people go bankrupt? No. Would it be funny if someone like Andrew Tate went bankrupt after boasting about Bugattis and all of his mass wealth? Yes. This doesn’t mean people who would make fun of him for that are making fun of poverty or all people who lose their livelihoods, it would just be funny if it happened to that particular person. \nIn the same way, the idea that Tate does all the douchey, over the top macho things that he does in order to compensate for having a small penis is funny, whilst it not being funny to make fun of every person who has a small penis.",
">\n\nSubstitute fat. Is that ok?",
">\n\nDepends on what the fat person is doing. If the person is minding their own business then no, if the fat person is attacking other people’s appearances then yeah go for it.",
">\n\nInteresting take. Might want to play with that a bit. A lot of situations where your reasoning falls apart.",
">\n\nPeople insulted Trump for being fat when he tried to say he was like the most fit person ever. People make fun of Elon Musk's body. You can make the same type of insult to two different people and it come off two different ways. \nWhen you make your identity or argument around something it opens up certain insults and comebacks. \nTate's whole thing is trying to act like this \"alpha male\" when in reality he's a sex trafficking weirdo who pays women to hang out with him. It's totally fine to insult him with a childish insult. \nI also find that people worried or mad about this don't actually care about body image issues. They just want a gotcha moment for people. Because many would have shitty takes about fat people or whine about pc culture.",
">\n\nWhen you call some MF that doesn't necessarily mean you are a MF... I'm not saying it's okay to say abusing words but we still do use them.\nI don't think she said it in literal terms, it was completely literary. Also she only said it cause it was Tate who she said it to. Also if a woman has small tits and someone said to someone else that they have small tits energy, I don't think one who actually has small tits would mind it, cause she is not involved and it's kinda perfect way of irritating Tate.. cause he really cares about these things. \nWhen it comes to increasing the insecurity of someone who actually has small D and is insecure about it... She couldn't think so far cause all she wanted was to irritate Tate and she was successful",
">\n\nI don't think it even irritated him if that was her goal but definitely helped him with popularity. It just proves what he says people think of insecure men, it just moves them to him and he gains more influence. It was an ignorant reply in poor taste. Someone with much following and influence as Greta shouldn't be as irresponsible and the followers shouldn't be having to do mental gymnastics to defend her instead of seeing it as it is: body shaming against men.",
">\n\nIs this some kind of weird meta-game? Are Andrew Tate fans pretending to actually be offended by this stupid insult to prove a point? Does anybody actually think her retort was any sharper than a brick wrapped in a wet blanket?\nWhat is going on here?!",
">\n\n\nWhat is going on here?!\n\nAndrew Tate fans have a lot of small dick energy. That's whats going on.",
">\n\nWhy are people not allowed dislike tate (he's an absolute idiot and a grifter) and also to criticize obvious body shaming from a supposed progressive? If Biden started talking about \"N*gger energy\" criticizing Kanye for antisemitism, would that be ok in your eyes? Would you say that a black guy who doesn't like that must be an angry Kanye fan? Or is it disgustingly offensive towards all African Americans to use that type of language no matter what?",
">\n\nBecause it suits their narrative to frame it as if people are just defending tate. It's easier than just actually defending body shaming. Done deal.",
">\n\nI think Greta used that phrase not because she actually believes or wants to promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior, but because people like Andrew Tate believe and promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior. If Andrew Tate gets hurt because Greta says he has small dick energy, then maybe -- just maybe, with the tiniest bit of introspection -- he'll come to realize how hateful some of his language is.\nBullies like Andrew Tate don't really respond to logic or pleas for sympathy. The only way to maybe make them understand the hurt they cause is to inflict it on them, because they don't care about anyone but themselves. \nSo instead of putting the cart before the horse and blaming Greta for using an offensive phrase as an argumentative tactic, maybe blame the people who use the phrase to actually demean people.",
">\n\nCan we substitute fat instead and be justified?",
">\n\nYes people did that with Trump when he claimed to be the fittest person ever basically. If someone has a habit of insulting people a certain way or making certain claims then they open themselves up to specific insults. \nSometimes we'd find those insults not tasteful if said to other people. But I feel like most people equating this to fat insults don't actually care about fat people. A lot of people would also be like oh things are getting too pc or soft or woke when it comes to body positivity towards fat people. So for me it's hard to buy this line of reasoning as being truly valid or caring.",
">\n\nNo one said it has to be authentic caring. This sub is for exploring the intellectual arguments. Your perception of how authentic someone’s feelings towards fat people is basically irrelevant. Argue the point or don’t. Passing your authenticity test is a wierd standard to try to argue for.",
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">\n\nYes, making insults is offensive. That's the point.\nInsults that reference a body part are also offensive to people who are insecure about that body part. That's also kinda obvious.\nWhat do you want your mind changed about here? I'm unclear about what you think can be discussed about an insult meant to be insulting. Are you arguing that this insult is especially wrong in some way?\nHow is this not just you soapboxing?",
">\n\nThere's a reason as a society we don't use insults like \"retard\". This is in the same vein. You're attributing a negative thing with a man having a small penis. This is harmful as it perpetuates the stigma surrounding penis size which is outside ones control. Essentially it degrades a group of people who have nothing to do with it. OP wants to know whether or not this is reconciled. Reading the comments... It has not been. \nMaking gendered insults doesn't bother me truthfully but I can understand the frustration OP is expressing because were it to be a man making some edgy reference to a woman's lady parts being inadequate as a way to demean them then everyone would be outraged as opposed to cheering it on.",
">\n\nUsing “small dick” as an insult, or “loose pussy” isn’t really offensive unless you are insecure about the physical viability of your reproductive organs. \nBut, that doesn’t make it funny. It’s a really juvenile and uncreative way of ridiculing someone.",
">\n\nInsecure women are offended when they're fat shamed.\nIt's still body shaming.\nIt's still wrong.",
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">\n\nGuy randomly decides to flex on her by saying I HAVE CARS AND I LIKE TO GO VROOOOM. It's like when Piers decides that it's absolutely important to eat meat in front of vegans. It's not about penis size. It's just that smalldickenergy is a perfect explanation of why would someone decide to behave like this.",
">\n\nShe is 19. Maybe in a few years she will have more mature insults. It’s a lot of pressure to be put on someone so young to also say the perfect thing all the time",
">\n\nUnder nearly all circumstances, I agree with you.\nHowever, for a lot of people who have built a cult of personality around any given ideal, insults of the inoffensive type are completely commonplace. All they have to do is fend off one or two instances of this PG rated attacks, strawman them, call them snowflakes, and their following is bolstered and enhanced. Instead of having any negative effect, it becomes part of their inherent power.\nSometimes if you want to rattle a cult leader you have to hit with precision their most critical weakness and watch them implode. The fact that Tate is squirming so hard and doing everything he can to reclaim some of his dignity after Greta's clapback means that she has his number. Great isn't saying that having a small dick is bad, but knowing that Tate's entire personality is built about being an alpha male and that calling into question the size of his member will hurt him the most is what she was after. \nOf course, it wasn't classy and could be offensive to some. But as the saying goes, sometimes you have to fight fire with fire.",
">\n\nReally is he squirming? \nHe's rich he's popular and now he's gotten someone he disagrees with to repeat his ideology and platform spreading it to a wider audience. \nI'd argue he's happy for the attention and popularity that she's given to him now and enjoying the increased sales in his business as more men who feel marginalized and left out join him seeing this hypocrisy playing out. Not to mention all the political players( internationally) who were against climate action seeing all this and aligning themselves appropriately, possibly propping him up and making him something more than what he actually is- An ignorant troll. \nEngage with a troll and you only give them more power. The tweet was dumb and people should know better.\nEdit: spacing",
">\n\nI'm not commenting on whether or not his fans will like him more or if the controversy will inadvertently grant him a wider audience. \nI'm commenting that Greta knew exactly where and how to hit him the hardest. Yes, he is definitely squirming. He has scrambled out half a dozen prepubescent \"I know you are but what am I\" tweets. Then he went and made the absolute cringiest response video. He's incensed by being talked down to by Greta and is overcompensating. \nDid her tweet have any net positive effect on society? No. Did it ruffle Tate's feathers and make his blood boil? Yea. Would he have even cared if she called him a misogynistic prick? Absolutely not. He would have just told her to sit down and shut up, that misogyny is made up by inferior women blah blah blah...\nInstead, his insecurities are eating him alive.",
">\n\nWhy even respond and give him attention that he so desperately craves? And why body shame men in the process? \nIf she didn't have a better insult she could have just went on with her life instead of helping him grow. Using \"small dick energy\" as an insult means implicitly we agree that people with small penises are inferior and undesirable. That's basically what Tate is on about ( Toxic masculinity). And by laughing at her tweet we all reinforce that perception. Do you get that? \nSick of double standards and hypocrisy. At least people should have the courage to own up and acknowledge it then move on instead of doubling down and performing mental gymnastics to justify an obvious case of body shaming.\nI agree with you on one thing that the net effect on society because of this tweet exchange is negative and only serves the people who Greta and her followers hate.",
">\n\nI think you are missing what I am saying. I fully agree that it wasn't necessary nor was it the right thing for Greta to do. I also agree that it just gives him attention and was overall a useless venture other for the entertainment of Tate haters.\nOP asked why it is okay. I stated that it isn't okay but that I understand why Greta took that road rather than the suggested non-offensive approach. It is because he's immune to it. What he isn't immune to is his masculinity and ego being questioned. What is the point of the Wolf continuing to blow on the brick house? None. To get to the scared little piggies inside he needs a jackhammer. \nAnd it worked exactly how she planned it to. He was rattled and anyone who hates Tate is amused. \nNot saying it's the right thing to do, nor do I want anyone to feel ashamed of the size of their penis.",
">\n\nOk.. thanks for elaborating on that. I misunderstood your comment as a disagreement and engaged to try and change your mind but seems we share the same view.",
">\n\nYou do not know what Greta is \"fully aware\" of. She is referring to character and behaviour, why are you taking this personally? She isn't speaking to you, hasn't seen you, doesn't know you. I don't know why you are externalizing your issue like this and waving it around in public, is it our responsibility to fix this for you?\nShe was just making a tiny joke. Relax. smalldickenergy @ getalife .com is hilarious.",
">\n\nAside from everything else, it's men who started the 'big dick energy' idiocy so to then complain when someone uses their own stupidity against them...",
">\n\nYeah because men are a monolith and we all meet in a room and know each other smh.",
">\n\nThey’re saying it’s offensive to more than just Andrew Tate",
">\n\nYeah but again, ISN'T THE PURPOSE",
">\n\nWhat do you mean again? You didn’t say that before. And why does the purpose matter? You can do a bad thing without meaning to."
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Oh lol I probably should have realized that. But I think the point of the insult was to offend Andrew Tate.
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"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult.",
">\n\nIt's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh.",
">\n\nHonestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV",
">\n\nPeople can make mistakes and this was one of them.. so we can all just criticize her reply fairly and move on. No need for acute mental gymnastics to defend her as this comments section is showing lmao.",
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">\n\nI don't think anyone is arguing it's not offensive. I'm pretty sure she was trying to offend insecure men. Apparently with great success.",
">\n\nShe was trying to offend men who were insecure about their body image?\nHow is that not body shaming?",
">\n\nIt is, but we playing the avoidance and rationalization game",
">\n\nbecause women invented \"small dick energy\"\nharsh, sad. but we go jim🗿",
">\n\nOP never mentioned women tho. Post is strictly about why it's offensive. Do you disagree that it's not offensive or you think it's a trivial matter to make fun of that men's mental health doesn't matter as much?",
">\n\nThe female equivalent is\n\"Loose Pussy Energy\".\nThe typical man-hate hypocrisy commonly going around is beyond obvious. And it is an attack on All men and boys not just some.",
">\n\nNot a disagreement per se, but also worth noting that it’s transphobic. Which is to say, it insults all men by reinforcing patriarchy and punching down to two groups of men.",
">\n\nShe said small dick energy. Not that he had a small dick (though, come on). She used that phrase BECAUSE it's Tate. She's not a moron.\nHe is, as evidenced by his life to this point and his two responses to Thunberg, which were epically pathetic, is a moron and didn't seem to get it, though he doesn't get a lot.",
">\n\nThis is worse than saying he has a small dick, because how would she know, and that would just be dismissed as stupid.\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\nI can't understand the mental gymnastics some people are doing to try and say this isn't body shaming.",
">\n\n\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\n\nI mean yeah -- kind of like how pussy is an insult denoting cowardice, cunt is an insult meaning basically, terrible, etc., \nShe used that on purpose. Are you making CMV every time you see someone calling someone else a pussy?",
">\n\nPussy is kind of already known to be a shitty gendered insult so it doesn't need a CMV. In this case, Greta's gendered \"having a small penis is bad\" tweet is massively amplified, reached r/all on a shitload of subs, etc. so some discussion about whether or not that is cool is warranted",
">\n\nSmall dick energy isn’t about having a small dick tho. It’s a reflection of an attitude that men who are offensive, aggressive, nasty to people are overcompensating for their insecurities. A small dick doesn’t mean you won’t be able to find a partner or that you’re any less of a man. Being a downright trash bag of a human to others, like in this instance where an internet edgelord is cyber bullying a teenager on the internet who is fighting for the survival of our planet/humanity is an example of this trash behavior, is more of a determining factor. \nYou can also have a small dick but have big dick energy, as it’s reflective of who you are as a person. It’s an attitude. It’s who you choose to be to yourself and others. Hell, there’s women who use the term that they have big dick energy and I can tell you those women’s dicks are none existent so therefore size isn’t a thing. \nNo one should be made fun of for something they had no control over. The worth of a man is not tied to the size of his penis. Although, toxic masculinity and shallow people will tell you different. They say the same for disabled people, fat people etc. There’s plenty of people who are not “conventional standards of beauty” which is the majority of us, that lead happy, healthy relationships. Those relationships start with yourself and understanding your worth as a person isn’t tied to what you look like or how big your junk is. \nThe point is if you choose to be a trash person like Tate, where your self worth is tied into how cruel/offensive you can be to other people, don’t be mad if people call you out for that trashy attitude. Your post definitely reeks of “men are the true victims” when clearly you didn’t seem to have a problem with a grown man cyber bullying a teenager.",
">\n\nI like how you imply that OP is a fan of a literal human trafficker because they point out that a body-shaming insult is body-shaming. Do you understand why associating a trait of someone's body with negative personality traits is bad?",
">\n\nNo because people like this always have exceptions that allow them to use the things they complain about. Cognitive gymnastics allows them to recognise shaming women and people of colour is bad, because society will eat them otherwise, but when someone shows up who deserves a bit of a roasting all of their social etiquette rules go out the window and the excuses come out as to why in this context it doesn't count.\n\"Ahh no, here it is a reflection of an attitude\" blah blah 3 paragraphs later and we've clouded over the simple fact that body shaming is body shaming and harms people you weren't intending to insult.",
">\n\nPeople like this? You’re assuming things about me because I am a character in your mind not a real person. I am not a monolith. We should not be body shaming people. I am explaining the other side of this issue and why people use these terms. You never asked if I use these same terms in my life. You assumed I do. I don’t. You didn’t even bother to read my response because if you did you would have realized this.",
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">\n\nYou can have smol pp but big pp energy and vice versa",
">\n\nSo why is the phrase small dick energy if it has nothing to do with having a small dick?",
">\n\nIdk man, I just work here.",
">\n\nYou know why. Lol cause small dick is associated with bad. And by insulting dicks you use this knowledge to offend, at the cost of body shaming people. \nStop feigning dumb just to avoid the reasoning lol",
">\n\nI can see how it would be offensive, and I wouldn’t use it myself. I feel like the phrase refers more to how someone acts as opposed to how they are endowed. And how it’s behavior and actions that make people think down of you not your penis.",
">\n\nPoint is that we, as a society, should encourage better insults that attack the comments of the person without necessarily having to equate it to something someone with a small dick.",
">\n\nWould you agree with me, that if Andrew clapped back with one of those that the internet would be up in arms about it?",
">\n\nYou mean the way that you are, here, on the internet, up in arms?",
">\n\nIm one person on reddit, theres no major backlash like there would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\nSee, what's happening here is that you are also looking at people who are \"one person on Reddit\" and pretending it's a major backlash. Andrew Tate says fucked up things about women all the time (in fact, it's kind of his whole schtick) and it's as much of a non-event as this is.",
">\n\nPlease link me to something fucked up hes said about women, and ill agree with you, two wrongs don't make a right.",
">\n\nHere's exhibit A.",
">\n\nSure I agree with you he has said fucked up stuff about women, it doesn't mean its okay to make a joke about small dick energy.\nDo you understand my point?",
">\n\nWe understand, it's just that your point is fucking stupid",
">\n\nYou have no idea what his point is, it's funny that people on this thread OP and others actually like Andrew Tate.\nIt proves that everyone is completely frothingly tribalistic with zero nuance.",
">\n\nIf someone is behaving insufferably, people are going to laugh at them for things that they wouldn’t find funny if it happened to someone they liked.\nFor example, is it funny when people go bankrupt? No. Would it be funny if someone like Andrew Tate went bankrupt after boasting about Bugattis and all of his mass wealth? Yes. This doesn’t mean people who would make fun of him for that are making fun of poverty or all people who lose their livelihoods, it would just be funny if it happened to that particular person. \nIn the same way, the idea that Tate does all the douchey, over the top macho things that he does in order to compensate for having a small penis is funny, whilst it not being funny to make fun of every person who has a small penis.",
">\n\nSubstitute fat. Is that ok?",
">\n\nDepends on what the fat person is doing. If the person is minding their own business then no, if the fat person is attacking other people’s appearances then yeah go for it.",
">\n\nInteresting take. Might want to play with that a bit. A lot of situations where your reasoning falls apart.",
">\n\nPeople insulted Trump for being fat when he tried to say he was like the most fit person ever. People make fun of Elon Musk's body. You can make the same type of insult to two different people and it come off two different ways. \nWhen you make your identity or argument around something it opens up certain insults and comebacks. \nTate's whole thing is trying to act like this \"alpha male\" when in reality he's a sex trafficking weirdo who pays women to hang out with him. It's totally fine to insult him with a childish insult. \nI also find that people worried or mad about this don't actually care about body image issues. They just want a gotcha moment for people. Because many would have shitty takes about fat people or whine about pc culture.",
">\n\nWhen you call some MF that doesn't necessarily mean you are a MF... I'm not saying it's okay to say abusing words but we still do use them.\nI don't think she said it in literal terms, it was completely literary. Also she only said it cause it was Tate who she said it to. Also if a woman has small tits and someone said to someone else that they have small tits energy, I don't think one who actually has small tits would mind it, cause she is not involved and it's kinda perfect way of irritating Tate.. cause he really cares about these things. \nWhen it comes to increasing the insecurity of someone who actually has small D and is insecure about it... She couldn't think so far cause all she wanted was to irritate Tate and she was successful",
">\n\nI don't think it even irritated him if that was her goal but definitely helped him with popularity. It just proves what he says people think of insecure men, it just moves them to him and he gains more influence. It was an ignorant reply in poor taste. Someone with much following and influence as Greta shouldn't be as irresponsible and the followers shouldn't be having to do mental gymnastics to defend her instead of seeing it as it is: body shaming against men.",
">\n\nIs this some kind of weird meta-game? Are Andrew Tate fans pretending to actually be offended by this stupid insult to prove a point? Does anybody actually think her retort was any sharper than a brick wrapped in a wet blanket?\nWhat is going on here?!",
">\n\n\nWhat is going on here?!\n\nAndrew Tate fans have a lot of small dick energy. That's whats going on.",
">\n\nWhy are people not allowed dislike tate (he's an absolute idiot and a grifter) and also to criticize obvious body shaming from a supposed progressive? If Biden started talking about \"N*gger energy\" criticizing Kanye for antisemitism, would that be ok in your eyes? Would you say that a black guy who doesn't like that must be an angry Kanye fan? Or is it disgustingly offensive towards all African Americans to use that type of language no matter what?",
">\n\nBecause it suits their narrative to frame it as if people are just defending tate. It's easier than just actually defending body shaming. Done deal.",
">\n\nI think Greta used that phrase not because she actually believes or wants to promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior, but because people like Andrew Tate believe and promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior. If Andrew Tate gets hurt because Greta says he has small dick energy, then maybe -- just maybe, with the tiniest bit of introspection -- he'll come to realize how hateful some of his language is.\nBullies like Andrew Tate don't really respond to logic or pleas for sympathy. The only way to maybe make them understand the hurt they cause is to inflict it on them, because they don't care about anyone but themselves. \nSo instead of putting the cart before the horse and blaming Greta for using an offensive phrase as an argumentative tactic, maybe blame the people who use the phrase to actually demean people.",
">\n\nCan we substitute fat instead and be justified?",
">\n\nYes people did that with Trump when he claimed to be the fittest person ever basically. If someone has a habit of insulting people a certain way or making certain claims then they open themselves up to specific insults. \nSometimes we'd find those insults not tasteful if said to other people. But I feel like most people equating this to fat insults don't actually care about fat people. A lot of people would also be like oh things are getting too pc or soft or woke when it comes to body positivity towards fat people. So for me it's hard to buy this line of reasoning as being truly valid or caring.",
">\n\nNo one said it has to be authentic caring. This sub is for exploring the intellectual arguments. Your perception of how authentic someone’s feelings towards fat people is basically irrelevant. Argue the point or don’t. Passing your authenticity test is a wierd standard to try to argue for.",
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">\n\nYes, making insults is offensive. That's the point.\nInsults that reference a body part are also offensive to people who are insecure about that body part. That's also kinda obvious.\nWhat do you want your mind changed about here? I'm unclear about what you think can be discussed about an insult meant to be insulting. Are you arguing that this insult is especially wrong in some way?\nHow is this not just you soapboxing?",
">\n\nThere's a reason as a society we don't use insults like \"retard\". This is in the same vein. You're attributing a negative thing with a man having a small penis. This is harmful as it perpetuates the stigma surrounding penis size which is outside ones control. Essentially it degrades a group of people who have nothing to do with it. OP wants to know whether or not this is reconciled. Reading the comments... It has not been. \nMaking gendered insults doesn't bother me truthfully but I can understand the frustration OP is expressing because were it to be a man making some edgy reference to a woman's lady parts being inadequate as a way to demean them then everyone would be outraged as opposed to cheering it on.",
">\n\nUsing “small dick” as an insult, or “loose pussy” isn’t really offensive unless you are insecure about the physical viability of your reproductive organs. \nBut, that doesn’t make it funny. It’s a really juvenile and uncreative way of ridiculing someone.",
">\n\nInsecure women are offended when they're fat shamed.\nIt's still body shaming.\nIt's still wrong.",
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">\n\nGuy randomly decides to flex on her by saying I HAVE CARS AND I LIKE TO GO VROOOOM. It's like when Piers decides that it's absolutely important to eat meat in front of vegans. It's not about penis size. It's just that smalldickenergy is a perfect explanation of why would someone decide to behave like this.",
">\n\nShe is 19. Maybe in a few years she will have more mature insults. It’s a lot of pressure to be put on someone so young to also say the perfect thing all the time",
">\n\nUnder nearly all circumstances, I agree with you.\nHowever, for a lot of people who have built a cult of personality around any given ideal, insults of the inoffensive type are completely commonplace. All they have to do is fend off one or two instances of this PG rated attacks, strawman them, call them snowflakes, and their following is bolstered and enhanced. Instead of having any negative effect, it becomes part of their inherent power.\nSometimes if you want to rattle a cult leader you have to hit with precision their most critical weakness and watch them implode. The fact that Tate is squirming so hard and doing everything he can to reclaim some of his dignity after Greta's clapback means that she has his number. Great isn't saying that having a small dick is bad, but knowing that Tate's entire personality is built about being an alpha male and that calling into question the size of his member will hurt him the most is what she was after. \nOf course, it wasn't classy and could be offensive to some. But as the saying goes, sometimes you have to fight fire with fire.",
">\n\nReally is he squirming? \nHe's rich he's popular and now he's gotten someone he disagrees with to repeat his ideology and platform spreading it to a wider audience. \nI'd argue he's happy for the attention and popularity that she's given to him now and enjoying the increased sales in his business as more men who feel marginalized and left out join him seeing this hypocrisy playing out. Not to mention all the political players( internationally) who were against climate action seeing all this and aligning themselves appropriately, possibly propping him up and making him something more than what he actually is- An ignorant troll. \nEngage with a troll and you only give them more power. The tweet was dumb and people should know better.\nEdit: spacing",
">\n\nI'm not commenting on whether or not his fans will like him more or if the controversy will inadvertently grant him a wider audience. \nI'm commenting that Greta knew exactly where and how to hit him the hardest. Yes, he is definitely squirming. He has scrambled out half a dozen prepubescent \"I know you are but what am I\" tweets. Then he went and made the absolute cringiest response video. He's incensed by being talked down to by Greta and is overcompensating. \nDid her tweet have any net positive effect on society? No. Did it ruffle Tate's feathers and make his blood boil? Yea. Would he have even cared if she called him a misogynistic prick? Absolutely not. He would have just told her to sit down and shut up, that misogyny is made up by inferior women blah blah blah...\nInstead, his insecurities are eating him alive.",
">\n\nWhy even respond and give him attention that he so desperately craves? And why body shame men in the process? \nIf she didn't have a better insult she could have just went on with her life instead of helping him grow. Using \"small dick energy\" as an insult means implicitly we agree that people with small penises are inferior and undesirable. That's basically what Tate is on about ( Toxic masculinity). And by laughing at her tweet we all reinforce that perception. Do you get that? \nSick of double standards and hypocrisy. At least people should have the courage to own up and acknowledge it then move on instead of doubling down and performing mental gymnastics to justify an obvious case of body shaming.\nI agree with you on one thing that the net effect on society because of this tweet exchange is negative and only serves the people who Greta and her followers hate.",
">\n\nI think you are missing what I am saying. I fully agree that it wasn't necessary nor was it the right thing for Greta to do. I also agree that it just gives him attention and was overall a useless venture other for the entertainment of Tate haters.\nOP asked why it is okay. I stated that it isn't okay but that I understand why Greta took that road rather than the suggested non-offensive approach. It is because he's immune to it. What he isn't immune to is his masculinity and ego being questioned. What is the point of the Wolf continuing to blow on the brick house? None. To get to the scared little piggies inside he needs a jackhammer. \nAnd it worked exactly how she planned it to. He was rattled and anyone who hates Tate is amused. \nNot saying it's the right thing to do, nor do I want anyone to feel ashamed of the size of their penis.",
">\n\nOk.. thanks for elaborating on that. I misunderstood your comment as a disagreement and engaged to try and change your mind but seems we share the same view.",
">\n\nYou do not know what Greta is \"fully aware\" of. She is referring to character and behaviour, why are you taking this personally? She isn't speaking to you, hasn't seen you, doesn't know you. I don't know why you are externalizing your issue like this and waving it around in public, is it our responsibility to fix this for you?\nShe was just making a tiny joke. Relax. smalldickenergy @ getalife .com is hilarious.",
">\n\nAside from everything else, it's men who started the 'big dick energy' idiocy so to then complain when someone uses their own stupidity against them...",
">\n\nYeah because men are a monolith and we all meet in a room and know each other smh.",
">\n\nThey’re saying it’s offensive to more than just Andrew Tate",
">\n\nYeah but again, ISN'T THE PURPOSE",
">\n\nWhat do you mean again? You didn’t say that before. And why does the purpose matter? You can do a bad thing without meaning to.",
">\n\nI meant to say isn't that the purpose lol mb"
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"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult.",
">\n\nIt's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh.",
">\n\nHonestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV",
">\n\nPeople can make mistakes and this was one of them.. so we can all just criticize her reply fairly and move on. No need for acute mental gymnastics to defend her as this comments section is showing lmao.",
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">\n\nI don't think anyone is arguing it's not offensive. I'm pretty sure she was trying to offend insecure men. Apparently with great success.",
">\n\nShe was trying to offend men who were insecure about their body image?\nHow is that not body shaming?",
">\n\nIt is, but we playing the avoidance and rationalization game",
">\n\nbecause women invented \"small dick energy\"\nharsh, sad. but we go jim🗿",
">\n\nOP never mentioned women tho. Post is strictly about why it's offensive. Do you disagree that it's not offensive or you think it's a trivial matter to make fun of that men's mental health doesn't matter as much?",
">\n\nThe female equivalent is\n\"Loose Pussy Energy\".\nThe typical man-hate hypocrisy commonly going around is beyond obvious. And it is an attack on All men and boys not just some.",
">\n\nNot a disagreement per se, but also worth noting that it’s transphobic. Which is to say, it insults all men by reinforcing patriarchy and punching down to two groups of men.",
">\n\nShe said small dick energy. Not that he had a small dick (though, come on). She used that phrase BECAUSE it's Tate. She's not a moron.\nHe is, as evidenced by his life to this point and his two responses to Thunberg, which were epically pathetic, is a moron and didn't seem to get it, though he doesn't get a lot.",
">\n\nThis is worse than saying he has a small dick, because how would she know, and that would just be dismissed as stupid.\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\nI can't understand the mental gymnastics some people are doing to try and say this isn't body shaming.",
">\n\n\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\n\nI mean yeah -- kind of like how pussy is an insult denoting cowardice, cunt is an insult meaning basically, terrible, etc., \nShe used that on purpose. Are you making CMV every time you see someone calling someone else a pussy?",
">\n\nPussy is kind of already known to be a shitty gendered insult so it doesn't need a CMV. In this case, Greta's gendered \"having a small penis is bad\" tweet is massively amplified, reached r/all on a shitload of subs, etc. so some discussion about whether or not that is cool is warranted",
">\n\nSmall dick energy isn’t about having a small dick tho. It’s a reflection of an attitude that men who are offensive, aggressive, nasty to people are overcompensating for their insecurities. A small dick doesn’t mean you won’t be able to find a partner or that you’re any less of a man. Being a downright trash bag of a human to others, like in this instance where an internet edgelord is cyber bullying a teenager on the internet who is fighting for the survival of our planet/humanity is an example of this trash behavior, is more of a determining factor. \nYou can also have a small dick but have big dick energy, as it’s reflective of who you are as a person. It’s an attitude. It’s who you choose to be to yourself and others. Hell, there’s women who use the term that they have big dick energy and I can tell you those women’s dicks are none existent so therefore size isn’t a thing. \nNo one should be made fun of for something they had no control over. The worth of a man is not tied to the size of his penis. Although, toxic masculinity and shallow people will tell you different. They say the same for disabled people, fat people etc. There’s plenty of people who are not “conventional standards of beauty” which is the majority of us, that lead happy, healthy relationships. Those relationships start with yourself and understanding your worth as a person isn’t tied to what you look like or how big your junk is. \nThe point is if you choose to be a trash person like Tate, where your self worth is tied into how cruel/offensive you can be to other people, don’t be mad if people call you out for that trashy attitude. Your post definitely reeks of “men are the true victims” when clearly you didn’t seem to have a problem with a grown man cyber bullying a teenager.",
">\n\nI like how you imply that OP is a fan of a literal human trafficker because they point out that a body-shaming insult is body-shaming. Do you understand why associating a trait of someone's body with negative personality traits is bad?",
">\n\nNo because people like this always have exceptions that allow them to use the things they complain about. Cognitive gymnastics allows them to recognise shaming women and people of colour is bad, because society will eat them otherwise, but when someone shows up who deserves a bit of a roasting all of their social etiquette rules go out the window and the excuses come out as to why in this context it doesn't count.\n\"Ahh no, here it is a reflection of an attitude\" blah blah 3 paragraphs later and we've clouded over the simple fact that body shaming is body shaming and harms people you weren't intending to insult.",
">\n\nPeople like this? You’re assuming things about me because I am a character in your mind not a real person. I am not a monolith. We should not be body shaming people. I am explaining the other side of this issue and why people use these terms. You never asked if I use these same terms in my life. You assumed I do. I don’t. You didn’t even bother to read my response because if you did you would have realized this.",
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">\n\nYou can have smol pp but big pp energy and vice versa",
">\n\nSo why is the phrase small dick energy if it has nothing to do with having a small dick?",
">\n\nIdk man, I just work here.",
">\n\nYou know why. Lol cause small dick is associated with bad. And by insulting dicks you use this knowledge to offend, at the cost of body shaming people. \nStop feigning dumb just to avoid the reasoning lol",
">\n\nI can see how it would be offensive, and I wouldn’t use it myself. I feel like the phrase refers more to how someone acts as opposed to how they are endowed. And how it’s behavior and actions that make people think down of you not your penis.",
">\n\nPoint is that we, as a society, should encourage better insults that attack the comments of the person without necessarily having to equate it to something someone with a small dick.",
">\n\nWould you agree with me, that if Andrew clapped back with one of those that the internet would be up in arms about it?",
">\n\nYou mean the way that you are, here, on the internet, up in arms?",
">\n\nIm one person on reddit, theres no major backlash like there would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\nSee, what's happening here is that you are also looking at people who are \"one person on Reddit\" and pretending it's a major backlash. Andrew Tate says fucked up things about women all the time (in fact, it's kind of his whole schtick) and it's as much of a non-event as this is.",
">\n\nPlease link me to something fucked up hes said about women, and ill agree with you, two wrongs don't make a right.",
">\n\nHere's exhibit A.",
">\n\nSure I agree with you he has said fucked up stuff about women, it doesn't mean its okay to make a joke about small dick energy.\nDo you understand my point?",
">\n\nWe understand, it's just that your point is fucking stupid",
">\n\nYou have no idea what his point is, it's funny that people on this thread OP and others actually like Andrew Tate.\nIt proves that everyone is completely frothingly tribalistic with zero nuance.",
">\n\nIf someone is behaving insufferably, people are going to laugh at them for things that they wouldn’t find funny if it happened to someone they liked.\nFor example, is it funny when people go bankrupt? No. Would it be funny if someone like Andrew Tate went bankrupt after boasting about Bugattis and all of his mass wealth? Yes. This doesn’t mean people who would make fun of him for that are making fun of poverty or all people who lose their livelihoods, it would just be funny if it happened to that particular person. \nIn the same way, the idea that Tate does all the douchey, over the top macho things that he does in order to compensate for having a small penis is funny, whilst it not being funny to make fun of every person who has a small penis.",
">\n\nSubstitute fat. Is that ok?",
">\n\nDepends on what the fat person is doing. If the person is minding their own business then no, if the fat person is attacking other people’s appearances then yeah go for it.",
">\n\nInteresting take. Might want to play with that a bit. A lot of situations where your reasoning falls apart.",
">\n\nPeople insulted Trump for being fat when he tried to say he was like the most fit person ever. People make fun of Elon Musk's body. You can make the same type of insult to two different people and it come off two different ways. \nWhen you make your identity or argument around something it opens up certain insults and comebacks. \nTate's whole thing is trying to act like this \"alpha male\" when in reality he's a sex trafficking weirdo who pays women to hang out with him. It's totally fine to insult him with a childish insult. \nI also find that people worried or mad about this don't actually care about body image issues. They just want a gotcha moment for people. Because many would have shitty takes about fat people or whine about pc culture.",
">\n\nWhen you call some MF that doesn't necessarily mean you are a MF... I'm not saying it's okay to say abusing words but we still do use them.\nI don't think she said it in literal terms, it was completely literary. Also she only said it cause it was Tate who she said it to. Also if a woman has small tits and someone said to someone else that they have small tits energy, I don't think one who actually has small tits would mind it, cause she is not involved and it's kinda perfect way of irritating Tate.. cause he really cares about these things. \nWhen it comes to increasing the insecurity of someone who actually has small D and is insecure about it... She couldn't think so far cause all she wanted was to irritate Tate and she was successful",
">\n\nI don't think it even irritated him if that was her goal but definitely helped him with popularity. It just proves what he says people think of insecure men, it just moves them to him and he gains more influence. It was an ignorant reply in poor taste. Someone with much following and influence as Greta shouldn't be as irresponsible and the followers shouldn't be having to do mental gymnastics to defend her instead of seeing it as it is: body shaming against men.",
">\n\nIs this some kind of weird meta-game? Are Andrew Tate fans pretending to actually be offended by this stupid insult to prove a point? Does anybody actually think her retort was any sharper than a brick wrapped in a wet blanket?\nWhat is going on here?!",
">\n\n\nWhat is going on here?!\n\nAndrew Tate fans have a lot of small dick energy. That's whats going on.",
">\n\nWhy are people not allowed dislike tate (he's an absolute idiot and a grifter) and also to criticize obvious body shaming from a supposed progressive? If Biden started talking about \"N*gger energy\" criticizing Kanye for antisemitism, would that be ok in your eyes? Would you say that a black guy who doesn't like that must be an angry Kanye fan? Or is it disgustingly offensive towards all African Americans to use that type of language no matter what?",
">\n\nBecause it suits their narrative to frame it as if people are just defending tate. It's easier than just actually defending body shaming. Done deal.",
">\n\nI think Greta used that phrase not because she actually believes or wants to promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior, but because people like Andrew Tate believe and promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior. If Andrew Tate gets hurt because Greta says he has small dick energy, then maybe -- just maybe, with the tiniest bit of introspection -- he'll come to realize how hateful some of his language is.\nBullies like Andrew Tate don't really respond to logic or pleas for sympathy. The only way to maybe make them understand the hurt they cause is to inflict it on them, because they don't care about anyone but themselves. \nSo instead of putting the cart before the horse and blaming Greta for using an offensive phrase as an argumentative tactic, maybe blame the people who use the phrase to actually demean people.",
">\n\nCan we substitute fat instead and be justified?",
">\n\nYes people did that with Trump when he claimed to be the fittest person ever basically. If someone has a habit of insulting people a certain way or making certain claims then they open themselves up to specific insults. \nSometimes we'd find those insults not tasteful if said to other people. But I feel like most people equating this to fat insults don't actually care about fat people. A lot of people would also be like oh things are getting too pc or soft or woke when it comes to body positivity towards fat people. So for me it's hard to buy this line of reasoning as being truly valid or caring.",
">\n\nNo one said it has to be authentic caring. This sub is for exploring the intellectual arguments. Your perception of how authentic someone’s feelings towards fat people is basically irrelevant. Argue the point or don’t. Passing your authenticity test is a wierd standard to try to argue for.",
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">\n\nYes, making insults is offensive. That's the point.\nInsults that reference a body part are also offensive to people who are insecure about that body part. That's also kinda obvious.\nWhat do you want your mind changed about here? I'm unclear about what you think can be discussed about an insult meant to be insulting. Are you arguing that this insult is especially wrong in some way?\nHow is this not just you soapboxing?",
">\n\nThere's a reason as a society we don't use insults like \"retard\". This is in the same vein. You're attributing a negative thing with a man having a small penis. This is harmful as it perpetuates the stigma surrounding penis size which is outside ones control. Essentially it degrades a group of people who have nothing to do with it. OP wants to know whether or not this is reconciled. Reading the comments... It has not been. \nMaking gendered insults doesn't bother me truthfully but I can understand the frustration OP is expressing because were it to be a man making some edgy reference to a woman's lady parts being inadequate as a way to demean them then everyone would be outraged as opposed to cheering it on.",
">\n\nUsing “small dick” as an insult, or “loose pussy” isn’t really offensive unless you are insecure about the physical viability of your reproductive organs. \nBut, that doesn’t make it funny. It’s a really juvenile and uncreative way of ridiculing someone.",
">\n\nInsecure women are offended when they're fat shamed.\nIt's still body shaming.\nIt's still wrong.",
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">\n\nGuy randomly decides to flex on her by saying I HAVE CARS AND I LIKE TO GO VROOOOM. It's like when Piers decides that it's absolutely important to eat meat in front of vegans. It's not about penis size. It's just that smalldickenergy is a perfect explanation of why would someone decide to behave like this.",
">\n\nShe is 19. Maybe in a few years she will have more mature insults. It’s a lot of pressure to be put on someone so young to also say the perfect thing all the time",
">\n\nUnder nearly all circumstances, I agree with you.\nHowever, for a lot of people who have built a cult of personality around any given ideal, insults of the inoffensive type are completely commonplace. All they have to do is fend off one or two instances of this PG rated attacks, strawman them, call them snowflakes, and their following is bolstered and enhanced. Instead of having any negative effect, it becomes part of their inherent power.\nSometimes if you want to rattle a cult leader you have to hit with precision their most critical weakness and watch them implode. The fact that Tate is squirming so hard and doing everything he can to reclaim some of his dignity after Greta's clapback means that she has his number. Great isn't saying that having a small dick is bad, but knowing that Tate's entire personality is built about being an alpha male and that calling into question the size of his member will hurt him the most is what she was after. \nOf course, it wasn't classy and could be offensive to some. But as the saying goes, sometimes you have to fight fire with fire.",
">\n\nReally is he squirming? \nHe's rich he's popular and now he's gotten someone he disagrees with to repeat his ideology and platform spreading it to a wider audience. \nI'd argue he's happy for the attention and popularity that she's given to him now and enjoying the increased sales in his business as more men who feel marginalized and left out join him seeing this hypocrisy playing out. Not to mention all the political players( internationally) who were against climate action seeing all this and aligning themselves appropriately, possibly propping him up and making him something more than what he actually is- An ignorant troll. \nEngage with a troll and you only give them more power. The tweet was dumb and people should know better.\nEdit: spacing",
">\n\nI'm not commenting on whether or not his fans will like him more or if the controversy will inadvertently grant him a wider audience. \nI'm commenting that Greta knew exactly where and how to hit him the hardest. Yes, he is definitely squirming. He has scrambled out half a dozen prepubescent \"I know you are but what am I\" tweets. Then he went and made the absolute cringiest response video. He's incensed by being talked down to by Greta and is overcompensating. \nDid her tweet have any net positive effect on society? No. Did it ruffle Tate's feathers and make his blood boil? Yea. Would he have even cared if she called him a misogynistic prick? Absolutely not. He would have just told her to sit down and shut up, that misogyny is made up by inferior women blah blah blah...\nInstead, his insecurities are eating him alive.",
">\n\nWhy even respond and give him attention that he so desperately craves? And why body shame men in the process? \nIf she didn't have a better insult she could have just went on with her life instead of helping him grow. Using \"small dick energy\" as an insult means implicitly we agree that people with small penises are inferior and undesirable. That's basically what Tate is on about ( Toxic masculinity). And by laughing at her tweet we all reinforce that perception. Do you get that? \nSick of double standards and hypocrisy. At least people should have the courage to own up and acknowledge it then move on instead of doubling down and performing mental gymnastics to justify an obvious case of body shaming.\nI agree with you on one thing that the net effect on society because of this tweet exchange is negative and only serves the people who Greta and her followers hate.",
">\n\nI think you are missing what I am saying. I fully agree that it wasn't necessary nor was it the right thing for Greta to do. I also agree that it just gives him attention and was overall a useless venture other for the entertainment of Tate haters.\nOP asked why it is okay. I stated that it isn't okay but that I understand why Greta took that road rather than the suggested non-offensive approach. It is because he's immune to it. What he isn't immune to is his masculinity and ego being questioned. What is the point of the Wolf continuing to blow on the brick house? None. To get to the scared little piggies inside he needs a jackhammer. \nAnd it worked exactly how she planned it to. He was rattled and anyone who hates Tate is amused. \nNot saying it's the right thing to do, nor do I want anyone to feel ashamed of the size of their penis.",
">\n\nOk.. thanks for elaborating on that. I misunderstood your comment as a disagreement and engaged to try and change your mind but seems we share the same view.",
">\n\nYou do not know what Greta is \"fully aware\" of. She is referring to character and behaviour, why are you taking this personally? She isn't speaking to you, hasn't seen you, doesn't know you. I don't know why you are externalizing your issue like this and waving it around in public, is it our responsibility to fix this for you?\nShe was just making a tiny joke. Relax. smalldickenergy @ getalife .com is hilarious.",
">\n\nAside from everything else, it's men who started the 'big dick energy' idiocy so to then complain when someone uses their own stupidity against them...",
">\n\nYeah because men are a monolith and we all meet in a room and know each other smh.",
">\n\nThey’re saying it’s offensive to more than just Andrew Tate",
">\n\nYeah but again, ISN'T THE PURPOSE",
">\n\nWhat do you mean again? You didn’t say that before. And why does the purpose matter? You can do a bad thing without meaning to.",
">\n\nI meant to say isn't that the purpose lol mb",
">\n\nOh lol I probably should have realized that. But I think the point of the insult was to offend Andrew Tate."
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Greta lost that argument. She literally has like a hundred things Tate has said and done she could attack. Easy target... The one thing she chose to do is to body shame the man. It's just name calling. It's not a refutation of Tate. If anything it makes her sound stupid for her inability to come up with a refutation.
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"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult.",
">\n\nIt's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh.",
">\n\nHonestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV",
">\n\nPeople can make mistakes and this was one of them.. so we can all just criticize her reply fairly and move on. No need for acute mental gymnastics to defend her as this comments section is showing lmao.",
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">\n\nI don't think anyone is arguing it's not offensive. I'm pretty sure she was trying to offend insecure men. Apparently with great success.",
">\n\nShe was trying to offend men who were insecure about their body image?\nHow is that not body shaming?",
">\n\nIt is, but we playing the avoidance and rationalization game",
">\n\nbecause women invented \"small dick energy\"\nharsh, sad. but we go jim🗿",
">\n\nOP never mentioned women tho. Post is strictly about why it's offensive. Do you disagree that it's not offensive or you think it's a trivial matter to make fun of that men's mental health doesn't matter as much?",
">\n\nThe female equivalent is\n\"Loose Pussy Energy\".\nThe typical man-hate hypocrisy commonly going around is beyond obvious. And it is an attack on All men and boys not just some.",
">\n\nNot a disagreement per se, but also worth noting that it’s transphobic. Which is to say, it insults all men by reinforcing patriarchy and punching down to two groups of men.",
">\n\nShe said small dick energy. Not that he had a small dick (though, come on). She used that phrase BECAUSE it's Tate. She's not a moron.\nHe is, as evidenced by his life to this point and his two responses to Thunberg, which were epically pathetic, is a moron and didn't seem to get it, though he doesn't get a lot.",
">\n\nThis is worse than saying he has a small dick, because how would she know, and that would just be dismissed as stupid.\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\nI can't understand the mental gymnastics some people are doing to try and say this isn't body shaming.",
">\n\n\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\n\nI mean yeah -- kind of like how pussy is an insult denoting cowardice, cunt is an insult meaning basically, terrible, etc., \nShe used that on purpose. Are you making CMV every time you see someone calling someone else a pussy?",
">\n\nPussy is kind of already known to be a shitty gendered insult so it doesn't need a CMV. In this case, Greta's gendered \"having a small penis is bad\" tweet is massively amplified, reached r/all on a shitload of subs, etc. so some discussion about whether or not that is cool is warranted",
">\n\nSmall dick energy isn’t about having a small dick tho. It’s a reflection of an attitude that men who are offensive, aggressive, nasty to people are overcompensating for their insecurities. A small dick doesn’t mean you won’t be able to find a partner or that you’re any less of a man. Being a downright trash bag of a human to others, like in this instance where an internet edgelord is cyber bullying a teenager on the internet who is fighting for the survival of our planet/humanity is an example of this trash behavior, is more of a determining factor. \nYou can also have a small dick but have big dick energy, as it’s reflective of who you are as a person. It’s an attitude. It’s who you choose to be to yourself and others. Hell, there’s women who use the term that they have big dick energy and I can tell you those women’s dicks are none existent so therefore size isn’t a thing. \nNo one should be made fun of for something they had no control over. The worth of a man is not tied to the size of his penis. Although, toxic masculinity and shallow people will tell you different. They say the same for disabled people, fat people etc. There’s plenty of people who are not “conventional standards of beauty” which is the majority of us, that lead happy, healthy relationships. Those relationships start with yourself and understanding your worth as a person isn’t tied to what you look like or how big your junk is. \nThe point is if you choose to be a trash person like Tate, where your self worth is tied into how cruel/offensive you can be to other people, don’t be mad if people call you out for that trashy attitude. Your post definitely reeks of “men are the true victims” when clearly you didn’t seem to have a problem with a grown man cyber bullying a teenager.",
">\n\nI like how you imply that OP is a fan of a literal human trafficker because they point out that a body-shaming insult is body-shaming. Do you understand why associating a trait of someone's body with negative personality traits is bad?",
">\n\nNo because people like this always have exceptions that allow them to use the things they complain about. Cognitive gymnastics allows them to recognise shaming women and people of colour is bad, because society will eat them otherwise, but when someone shows up who deserves a bit of a roasting all of their social etiquette rules go out the window and the excuses come out as to why in this context it doesn't count.\n\"Ahh no, here it is a reflection of an attitude\" blah blah 3 paragraphs later and we've clouded over the simple fact that body shaming is body shaming and harms people you weren't intending to insult.",
">\n\nPeople like this? You’re assuming things about me because I am a character in your mind not a real person. I am not a monolith. We should not be body shaming people. I am explaining the other side of this issue and why people use these terms. You never asked if I use these same terms in my life. You assumed I do. I don’t. You didn’t even bother to read my response because if you did you would have realized this.",
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">\n\nYou can have smol pp but big pp energy and vice versa",
">\n\nSo why is the phrase small dick energy if it has nothing to do with having a small dick?",
">\n\nIdk man, I just work here.",
">\n\nYou know why. Lol cause small dick is associated with bad. And by insulting dicks you use this knowledge to offend, at the cost of body shaming people. \nStop feigning dumb just to avoid the reasoning lol",
">\n\nI can see how it would be offensive, and I wouldn’t use it myself. I feel like the phrase refers more to how someone acts as opposed to how they are endowed. And how it’s behavior and actions that make people think down of you not your penis.",
">\n\nPoint is that we, as a society, should encourage better insults that attack the comments of the person without necessarily having to equate it to something someone with a small dick.",
">\n\nWould you agree with me, that if Andrew clapped back with one of those that the internet would be up in arms about it?",
">\n\nYou mean the way that you are, here, on the internet, up in arms?",
">\n\nIm one person on reddit, theres no major backlash like there would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\nSee, what's happening here is that you are also looking at people who are \"one person on Reddit\" and pretending it's a major backlash. Andrew Tate says fucked up things about women all the time (in fact, it's kind of his whole schtick) and it's as much of a non-event as this is.",
">\n\nPlease link me to something fucked up hes said about women, and ill agree with you, two wrongs don't make a right.",
">\n\nHere's exhibit A.",
">\n\nSure I agree with you he has said fucked up stuff about women, it doesn't mean its okay to make a joke about small dick energy.\nDo you understand my point?",
">\n\nWe understand, it's just that your point is fucking stupid",
">\n\nYou have no idea what his point is, it's funny that people on this thread OP and others actually like Andrew Tate.\nIt proves that everyone is completely frothingly tribalistic with zero nuance.",
">\n\nIf someone is behaving insufferably, people are going to laugh at them for things that they wouldn’t find funny if it happened to someone they liked.\nFor example, is it funny when people go bankrupt? No. Would it be funny if someone like Andrew Tate went bankrupt after boasting about Bugattis and all of his mass wealth? Yes. This doesn’t mean people who would make fun of him for that are making fun of poverty or all people who lose their livelihoods, it would just be funny if it happened to that particular person. \nIn the same way, the idea that Tate does all the douchey, over the top macho things that he does in order to compensate for having a small penis is funny, whilst it not being funny to make fun of every person who has a small penis.",
">\n\nSubstitute fat. Is that ok?",
">\n\nDepends on what the fat person is doing. If the person is minding their own business then no, if the fat person is attacking other people’s appearances then yeah go for it.",
">\n\nInteresting take. Might want to play with that a bit. A lot of situations where your reasoning falls apart.",
">\n\nPeople insulted Trump for being fat when he tried to say he was like the most fit person ever. People make fun of Elon Musk's body. You can make the same type of insult to two different people and it come off two different ways. \nWhen you make your identity or argument around something it opens up certain insults and comebacks. \nTate's whole thing is trying to act like this \"alpha male\" when in reality he's a sex trafficking weirdo who pays women to hang out with him. It's totally fine to insult him with a childish insult. \nI also find that people worried or mad about this don't actually care about body image issues. They just want a gotcha moment for people. Because many would have shitty takes about fat people or whine about pc culture.",
">\n\nWhen you call some MF that doesn't necessarily mean you are a MF... I'm not saying it's okay to say abusing words but we still do use them.\nI don't think she said it in literal terms, it was completely literary. Also she only said it cause it was Tate who she said it to. Also if a woman has small tits and someone said to someone else that they have small tits energy, I don't think one who actually has small tits would mind it, cause she is not involved and it's kinda perfect way of irritating Tate.. cause he really cares about these things. \nWhen it comes to increasing the insecurity of someone who actually has small D and is insecure about it... She couldn't think so far cause all she wanted was to irritate Tate and she was successful",
">\n\nI don't think it even irritated him if that was her goal but definitely helped him with popularity. It just proves what he says people think of insecure men, it just moves them to him and he gains more influence. It was an ignorant reply in poor taste. Someone with much following and influence as Greta shouldn't be as irresponsible and the followers shouldn't be having to do mental gymnastics to defend her instead of seeing it as it is: body shaming against men.",
">\n\nIs this some kind of weird meta-game? Are Andrew Tate fans pretending to actually be offended by this stupid insult to prove a point? Does anybody actually think her retort was any sharper than a brick wrapped in a wet blanket?\nWhat is going on here?!",
">\n\n\nWhat is going on here?!\n\nAndrew Tate fans have a lot of small dick energy. That's whats going on.",
">\n\nWhy are people not allowed dislike tate (he's an absolute idiot and a grifter) and also to criticize obvious body shaming from a supposed progressive? If Biden started talking about \"N*gger energy\" criticizing Kanye for antisemitism, would that be ok in your eyes? Would you say that a black guy who doesn't like that must be an angry Kanye fan? Or is it disgustingly offensive towards all African Americans to use that type of language no matter what?",
">\n\nBecause it suits their narrative to frame it as if people are just defending tate. It's easier than just actually defending body shaming. Done deal.",
">\n\nI think Greta used that phrase not because she actually believes or wants to promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior, but because people like Andrew Tate believe and promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior. If Andrew Tate gets hurt because Greta says he has small dick energy, then maybe -- just maybe, with the tiniest bit of introspection -- he'll come to realize how hateful some of his language is.\nBullies like Andrew Tate don't really respond to logic or pleas for sympathy. The only way to maybe make them understand the hurt they cause is to inflict it on them, because they don't care about anyone but themselves. \nSo instead of putting the cart before the horse and blaming Greta for using an offensive phrase as an argumentative tactic, maybe blame the people who use the phrase to actually demean people.",
">\n\nCan we substitute fat instead and be justified?",
">\n\nYes people did that with Trump when he claimed to be the fittest person ever basically. If someone has a habit of insulting people a certain way or making certain claims then they open themselves up to specific insults. \nSometimes we'd find those insults not tasteful if said to other people. But I feel like most people equating this to fat insults don't actually care about fat people. A lot of people would also be like oh things are getting too pc or soft or woke when it comes to body positivity towards fat people. So for me it's hard to buy this line of reasoning as being truly valid or caring.",
">\n\nNo one said it has to be authentic caring. This sub is for exploring the intellectual arguments. Your perception of how authentic someone’s feelings towards fat people is basically irrelevant. Argue the point or don’t. Passing your authenticity test is a wierd standard to try to argue for.",
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">\n\nYes, making insults is offensive. That's the point.\nInsults that reference a body part are also offensive to people who are insecure about that body part. That's also kinda obvious.\nWhat do you want your mind changed about here? I'm unclear about what you think can be discussed about an insult meant to be insulting. Are you arguing that this insult is especially wrong in some way?\nHow is this not just you soapboxing?",
">\n\nThere's a reason as a society we don't use insults like \"retard\". This is in the same vein. You're attributing a negative thing with a man having a small penis. This is harmful as it perpetuates the stigma surrounding penis size which is outside ones control. Essentially it degrades a group of people who have nothing to do with it. OP wants to know whether or not this is reconciled. Reading the comments... It has not been. \nMaking gendered insults doesn't bother me truthfully but I can understand the frustration OP is expressing because were it to be a man making some edgy reference to a woman's lady parts being inadequate as a way to demean them then everyone would be outraged as opposed to cheering it on.",
">\n\nUsing “small dick” as an insult, or “loose pussy” isn’t really offensive unless you are insecure about the physical viability of your reproductive organs. \nBut, that doesn’t make it funny. It’s a really juvenile and uncreative way of ridiculing someone.",
">\n\nInsecure women are offended when they're fat shamed.\nIt's still body shaming.\nIt's still wrong.",
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">\n\nGuy randomly decides to flex on her by saying I HAVE CARS AND I LIKE TO GO VROOOOM. It's like when Piers decides that it's absolutely important to eat meat in front of vegans. It's not about penis size. It's just that smalldickenergy is a perfect explanation of why would someone decide to behave like this.",
">\n\nShe is 19. Maybe in a few years she will have more mature insults. It’s a lot of pressure to be put on someone so young to also say the perfect thing all the time",
">\n\nUnder nearly all circumstances, I agree with you.\nHowever, for a lot of people who have built a cult of personality around any given ideal, insults of the inoffensive type are completely commonplace. All they have to do is fend off one or two instances of this PG rated attacks, strawman them, call them snowflakes, and their following is bolstered and enhanced. Instead of having any negative effect, it becomes part of their inherent power.\nSometimes if you want to rattle a cult leader you have to hit with precision their most critical weakness and watch them implode. The fact that Tate is squirming so hard and doing everything he can to reclaim some of his dignity after Greta's clapback means that she has his number. Great isn't saying that having a small dick is bad, but knowing that Tate's entire personality is built about being an alpha male and that calling into question the size of his member will hurt him the most is what she was after. \nOf course, it wasn't classy and could be offensive to some. But as the saying goes, sometimes you have to fight fire with fire.",
">\n\nReally is he squirming? \nHe's rich he's popular and now he's gotten someone he disagrees with to repeat his ideology and platform spreading it to a wider audience. \nI'd argue he's happy for the attention and popularity that she's given to him now and enjoying the increased sales in his business as more men who feel marginalized and left out join him seeing this hypocrisy playing out. Not to mention all the political players( internationally) who were against climate action seeing all this and aligning themselves appropriately, possibly propping him up and making him something more than what he actually is- An ignorant troll. \nEngage with a troll and you only give them more power. The tweet was dumb and people should know better.\nEdit: spacing",
">\n\nI'm not commenting on whether or not his fans will like him more or if the controversy will inadvertently grant him a wider audience. \nI'm commenting that Greta knew exactly where and how to hit him the hardest. Yes, he is definitely squirming. He has scrambled out half a dozen prepubescent \"I know you are but what am I\" tweets. Then he went and made the absolute cringiest response video. He's incensed by being talked down to by Greta and is overcompensating. \nDid her tweet have any net positive effect on society? No. Did it ruffle Tate's feathers and make his blood boil? Yea. Would he have even cared if she called him a misogynistic prick? Absolutely not. He would have just told her to sit down and shut up, that misogyny is made up by inferior women blah blah blah...\nInstead, his insecurities are eating him alive.",
">\n\nWhy even respond and give him attention that he so desperately craves? And why body shame men in the process? \nIf she didn't have a better insult she could have just went on with her life instead of helping him grow. Using \"small dick energy\" as an insult means implicitly we agree that people with small penises are inferior and undesirable. That's basically what Tate is on about ( Toxic masculinity). And by laughing at her tweet we all reinforce that perception. Do you get that? \nSick of double standards and hypocrisy. At least people should have the courage to own up and acknowledge it then move on instead of doubling down and performing mental gymnastics to justify an obvious case of body shaming.\nI agree with you on one thing that the net effect on society because of this tweet exchange is negative and only serves the people who Greta and her followers hate.",
">\n\nI think you are missing what I am saying. I fully agree that it wasn't necessary nor was it the right thing for Greta to do. I also agree that it just gives him attention and was overall a useless venture other for the entertainment of Tate haters.\nOP asked why it is okay. I stated that it isn't okay but that I understand why Greta took that road rather than the suggested non-offensive approach. It is because he's immune to it. What he isn't immune to is his masculinity and ego being questioned. What is the point of the Wolf continuing to blow on the brick house? None. To get to the scared little piggies inside he needs a jackhammer. \nAnd it worked exactly how she planned it to. He was rattled and anyone who hates Tate is amused. \nNot saying it's the right thing to do, nor do I want anyone to feel ashamed of the size of their penis.",
">\n\nOk.. thanks for elaborating on that. I misunderstood your comment as a disagreement and engaged to try and change your mind but seems we share the same view.",
">\n\nYou do not know what Greta is \"fully aware\" of. She is referring to character and behaviour, why are you taking this personally? She isn't speaking to you, hasn't seen you, doesn't know you. I don't know why you are externalizing your issue like this and waving it around in public, is it our responsibility to fix this for you?\nShe was just making a tiny joke. Relax. smalldickenergy @ getalife .com is hilarious.",
">\n\nAside from everything else, it's men who started the 'big dick energy' idiocy so to then complain when someone uses their own stupidity against them...",
">\n\nYeah because men are a monolith and we all meet in a room and know each other smh.",
">\n\nThey’re saying it’s offensive to more than just Andrew Tate",
">\n\nYeah but again, ISN'T THE PURPOSE",
">\n\nWhat do you mean again? You didn’t say that before. And why does the purpose matter? You can do a bad thing without meaning to.",
">\n\nI meant to say isn't that the purpose lol mb",
">\n\nOh lol I probably should have realized that. But I think the point of the insult was to offend Andrew Tate.",
">\n\nFair. Trying to not say anything about him one way or another so I don't get downvoted to hell."
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Exactly. But people are just cheering her on and laughing along without grasping the nuance of the situation.
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"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult.",
">\n\nIt's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh.",
">\n\nHonestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV",
">\n\nPeople can make mistakes and this was one of them.. so we can all just criticize her reply fairly and move on. No need for acute mental gymnastics to defend her as this comments section is showing lmao.",
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">\n\nI don't think anyone is arguing it's not offensive. I'm pretty sure she was trying to offend insecure men. Apparently with great success.",
">\n\nShe was trying to offend men who were insecure about their body image?\nHow is that not body shaming?",
">\n\nIt is, but we playing the avoidance and rationalization game",
">\n\nbecause women invented \"small dick energy\"\nharsh, sad. but we go jim🗿",
">\n\nOP never mentioned women tho. Post is strictly about why it's offensive. Do you disagree that it's not offensive or you think it's a trivial matter to make fun of that men's mental health doesn't matter as much?",
">\n\nThe female equivalent is\n\"Loose Pussy Energy\".\nThe typical man-hate hypocrisy commonly going around is beyond obvious. And it is an attack on All men and boys not just some.",
">\n\nNot a disagreement per se, but also worth noting that it’s transphobic. Which is to say, it insults all men by reinforcing patriarchy and punching down to two groups of men.",
">\n\nShe said small dick energy. Not that he had a small dick (though, come on). She used that phrase BECAUSE it's Tate. She's not a moron.\nHe is, as evidenced by his life to this point and his two responses to Thunberg, which were epically pathetic, is a moron and didn't seem to get it, though he doesn't get a lot.",
">\n\nThis is worse than saying he has a small dick, because how would she know, and that would just be dismissed as stupid.\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\nI can't understand the mental gymnastics some people are doing to try and say this isn't body shaming.",
">\n\n\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\n\nI mean yeah -- kind of like how pussy is an insult denoting cowardice, cunt is an insult meaning basically, terrible, etc., \nShe used that on purpose. Are you making CMV every time you see someone calling someone else a pussy?",
">\n\nPussy is kind of already known to be a shitty gendered insult so it doesn't need a CMV. In this case, Greta's gendered \"having a small penis is bad\" tweet is massively amplified, reached r/all on a shitload of subs, etc. so some discussion about whether or not that is cool is warranted",
">\n\nSmall dick energy isn’t about having a small dick tho. It’s a reflection of an attitude that men who are offensive, aggressive, nasty to people are overcompensating for their insecurities. A small dick doesn’t mean you won’t be able to find a partner or that you’re any less of a man. Being a downright trash bag of a human to others, like in this instance where an internet edgelord is cyber bullying a teenager on the internet who is fighting for the survival of our planet/humanity is an example of this trash behavior, is more of a determining factor. \nYou can also have a small dick but have big dick energy, as it’s reflective of who you are as a person. It’s an attitude. It’s who you choose to be to yourself and others. Hell, there’s women who use the term that they have big dick energy and I can tell you those women’s dicks are none existent so therefore size isn’t a thing. \nNo one should be made fun of for something they had no control over. The worth of a man is not tied to the size of his penis. Although, toxic masculinity and shallow people will tell you different. They say the same for disabled people, fat people etc. There’s plenty of people who are not “conventional standards of beauty” which is the majority of us, that lead happy, healthy relationships. Those relationships start with yourself and understanding your worth as a person isn’t tied to what you look like or how big your junk is. \nThe point is if you choose to be a trash person like Tate, where your self worth is tied into how cruel/offensive you can be to other people, don’t be mad if people call you out for that trashy attitude. Your post definitely reeks of “men are the true victims” when clearly you didn’t seem to have a problem with a grown man cyber bullying a teenager.",
">\n\nI like how you imply that OP is a fan of a literal human trafficker because they point out that a body-shaming insult is body-shaming. Do you understand why associating a trait of someone's body with negative personality traits is bad?",
">\n\nNo because people like this always have exceptions that allow them to use the things they complain about. Cognitive gymnastics allows them to recognise shaming women and people of colour is bad, because society will eat them otherwise, but when someone shows up who deserves a bit of a roasting all of their social etiquette rules go out the window and the excuses come out as to why in this context it doesn't count.\n\"Ahh no, here it is a reflection of an attitude\" blah blah 3 paragraphs later and we've clouded over the simple fact that body shaming is body shaming and harms people you weren't intending to insult.",
">\n\nPeople like this? You’re assuming things about me because I am a character in your mind not a real person. I am not a monolith. We should not be body shaming people. I am explaining the other side of this issue and why people use these terms. You never asked if I use these same terms in my life. You assumed I do. I don’t. You didn’t even bother to read my response because if you did you would have realized this.",
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">\n\nYou can have smol pp but big pp energy and vice versa",
">\n\nSo why is the phrase small dick energy if it has nothing to do with having a small dick?",
">\n\nIdk man, I just work here.",
">\n\nYou know why. Lol cause small dick is associated with bad. And by insulting dicks you use this knowledge to offend, at the cost of body shaming people. \nStop feigning dumb just to avoid the reasoning lol",
">\n\nI can see how it would be offensive, and I wouldn’t use it myself. I feel like the phrase refers more to how someone acts as opposed to how they are endowed. And how it’s behavior and actions that make people think down of you not your penis.",
">\n\nPoint is that we, as a society, should encourage better insults that attack the comments of the person without necessarily having to equate it to something someone with a small dick.",
">\n\nWould you agree with me, that if Andrew clapped back with one of those that the internet would be up in arms about it?",
">\n\nYou mean the way that you are, here, on the internet, up in arms?",
">\n\nIm one person on reddit, theres no major backlash like there would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\nSee, what's happening here is that you are also looking at people who are \"one person on Reddit\" and pretending it's a major backlash. Andrew Tate says fucked up things about women all the time (in fact, it's kind of his whole schtick) and it's as much of a non-event as this is.",
">\n\nPlease link me to something fucked up hes said about women, and ill agree with you, two wrongs don't make a right.",
">\n\nHere's exhibit A.",
">\n\nSure I agree with you he has said fucked up stuff about women, it doesn't mean its okay to make a joke about small dick energy.\nDo you understand my point?",
">\n\nWe understand, it's just that your point is fucking stupid",
">\n\nYou have no idea what his point is, it's funny that people on this thread OP and others actually like Andrew Tate.\nIt proves that everyone is completely frothingly tribalistic with zero nuance.",
">\n\nIf someone is behaving insufferably, people are going to laugh at them for things that they wouldn’t find funny if it happened to someone they liked.\nFor example, is it funny when people go bankrupt? No. Would it be funny if someone like Andrew Tate went bankrupt after boasting about Bugattis and all of his mass wealth? Yes. This doesn’t mean people who would make fun of him for that are making fun of poverty or all people who lose their livelihoods, it would just be funny if it happened to that particular person. \nIn the same way, the idea that Tate does all the douchey, over the top macho things that he does in order to compensate for having a small penis is funny, whilst it not being funny to make fun of every person who has a small penis.",
">\n\nSubstitute fat. Is that ok?",
">\n\nDepends on what the fat person is doing. If the person is minding their own business then no, if the fat person is attacking other people’s appearances then yeah go for it.",
">\n\nInteresting take. Might want to play with that a bit. A lot of situations where your reasoning falls apart.",
">\n\nPeople insulted Trump for being fat when he tried to say he was like the most fit person ever. People make fun of Elon Musk's body. You can make the same type of insult to two different people and it come off two different ways. \nWhen you make your identity or argument around something it opens up certain insults and comebacks. \nTate's whole thing is trying to act like this \"alpha male\" when in reality he's a sex trafficking weirdo who pays women to hang out with him. It's totally fine to insult him with a childish insult. \nI also find that people worried or mad about this don't actually care about body image issues. They just want a gotcha moment for people. Because many would have shitty takes about fat people or whine about pc culture.",
">\n\nWhen you call some MF that doesn't necessarily mean you are a MF... I'm not saying it's okay to say abusing words but we still do use them.\nI don't think she said it in literal terms, it was completely literary. Also she only said it cause it was Tate who she said it to. Also if a woman has small tits and someone said to someone else that they have small tits energy, I don't think one who actually has small tits would mind it, cause she is not involved and it's kinda perfect way of irritating Tate.. cause he really cares about these things. \nWhen it comes to increasing the insecurity of someone who actually has small D and is insecure about it... She couldn't think so far cause all she wanted was to irritate Tate and she was successful",
">\n\nI don't think it even irritated him if that was her goal but definitely helped him with popularity. It just proves what he says people think of insecure men, it just moves them to him and he gains more influence. It was an ignorant reply in poor taste. Someone with much following and influence as Greta shouldn't be as irresponsible and the followers shouldn't be having to do mental gymnastics to defend her instead of seeing it as it is: body shaming against men.",
">\n\nIs this some kind of weird meta-game? Are Andrew Tate fans pretending to actually be offended by this stupid insult to prove a point? Does anybody actually think her retort was any sharper than a brick wrapped in a wet blanket?\nWhat is going on here?!",
">\n\n\nWhat is going on here?!\n\nAndrew Tate fans have a lot of small dick energy. That's whats going on.",
">\n\nWhy are people not allowed dislike tate (he's an absolute idiot and a grifter) and also to criticize obvious body shaming from a supposed progressive? If Biden started talking about \"N*gger energy\" criticizing Kanye for antisemitism, would that be ok in your eyes? Would you say that a black guy who doesn't like that must be an angry Kanye fan? Or is it disgustingly offensive towards all African Americans to use that type of language no matter what?",
">\n\nBecause it suits their narrative to frame it as if people are just defending tate. It's easier than just actually defending body shaming. Done deal.",
">\n\nI think Greta used that phrase not because she actually believes or wants to promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior, but because people like Andrew Tate believe and promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior. If Andrew Tate gets hurt because Greta says he has small dick energy, then maybe -- just maybe, with the tiniest bit of introspection -- he'll come to realize how hateful some of his language is.\nBullies like Andrew Tate don't really respond to logic or pleas for sympathy. The only way to maybe make them understand the hurt they cause is to inflict it on them, because they don't care about anyone but themselves. \nSo instead of putting the cart before the horse and blaming Greta for using an offensive phrase as an argumentative tactic, maybe blame the people who use the phrase to actually demean people.",
">\n\nCan we substitute fat instead and be justified?",
">\n\nYes people did that with Trump when he claimed to be the fittest person ever basically. If someone has a habit of insulting people a certain way or making certain claims then they open themselves up to specific insults. \nSometimes we'd find those insults not tasteful if said to other people. But I feel like most people equating this to fat insults don't actually care about fat people. A lot of people would also be like oh things are getting too pc or soft or woke when it comes to body positivity towards fat people. So for me it's hard to buy this line of reasoning as being truly valid or caring.",
">\n\nNo one said it has to be authentic caring. This sub is for exploring the intellectual arguments. Your perception of how authentic someone’s feelings towards fat people is basically irrelevant. Argue the point or don’t. Passing your authenticity test is a wierd standard to try to argue for.",
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">\n\nYes, making insults is offensive. That's the point.\nInsults that reference a body part are also offensive to people who are insecure about that body part. That's also kinda obvious.\nWhat do you want your mind changed about here? I'm unclear about what you think can be discussed about an insult meant to be insulting. Are you arguing that this insult is especially wrong in some way?\nHow is this not just you soapboxing?",
">\n\nThere's a reason as a society we don't use insults like \"retard\". This is in the same vein. You're attributing a negative thing with a man having a small penis. This is harmful as it perpetuates the stigma surrounding penis size which is outside ones control. Essentially it degrades a group of people who have nothing to do with it. OP wants to know whether or not this is reconciled. Reading the comments... It has not been. \nMaking gendered insults doesn't bother me truthfully but I can understand the frustration OP is expressing because were it to be a man making some edgy reference to a woman's lady parts being inadequate as a way to demean them then everyone would be outraged as opposed to cheering it on.",
">\n\nUsing “small dick” as an insult, or “loose pussy” isn’t really offensive unless you are insecure about the physical viability of your reproductive organs. \nBut, that doesn’t make it funny. It’s a really juvenile and uncreative way of ridiculing someone.",
">\n\nInsecure women are offended when they're fat shamed.\nIt's still body shaming.\nIt's still wrong.",
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">\n\nGuy randomly decides to flex on her by saying I HAVE CARS AND I LIKE TO GO VROOOOM. It's like when Piers decides that it's absolutely important to eat meat in front of vegans. It's not about penis size. It's just that smalldickenergy is a perfect explanation of why would someone decide to behave like this.",
">\n\nShe is 19. Maybe in a few years she will have more mature insults. It’s a lot of pressure to be put on someone so young to also say the perfect thing all the time",
">\n\nUnder nearly all circumstances, I agree with you.\nHowever, for a lot of people who have built a cult of personality around any given ideal, insults of the inoffensive type are completely commonplace. All they have to do is fend off one or two instances of this PG rated attacks, strawman them, call them snowflakes, and their following is bolstered and enhanced. Instead of having any negative effect, it becomes part of their inherent power.\nSometimes if you want to rattle a cult leader you have to hit with precision their most critical weakness and watch them implode. The fact that Tate is squirming so hard and doing everything he can to reclaim some of his dignity after Greta's clapback means that she has his number. Great isn't saying that having a small dick is bad, but knowing that Tate's entire personality is built about being an alpha male and that calling into question the size of his member will hurt him the most is what she was after. \nOf course, it wasn't classy and could be offensive to some. But as the saying goes, sometimes you have to fight fire with fire.",
">\n\nReally is he squirming? \nHe's rich he's popular and now he's gotten someone he disagrees with to repeat his ideology and platform spreading it to a wider audience. \nI'd argue he's happy for the attention and popularity that she's given to him now and enjoying the increased sales in his business as more men who feel marginalized and left out join him seeing this hypocrisy playing out. Not to mention all the political players( internationally) who were against climate action seeing all this and aligning themselves appropriately, possibly propping him up and making him something more than what he actually is- An ignorant troll. \nEngage with a troll and you only give them more power. The tweet was dumb and people should know better.\nEdit: spacing",
">\n\nI'm not commenting on whether or not his fans will like him more or if the controversy will inadvertently grant him a wider audience. \nI'm commenting that Greta knew exactly where and how to hit him the hardest. Yes, he is definitely squirming. He has scrambled out half a dozen prepubescent \"I know you are but what am I\" tweets. Then he went and made the absolute cringiest response video. He's incensed by being talked down to by Greta and is overcompensating. \nDid her tweet have any net positive effect on society? No. Did it ruffle Tate's feathers and make his blood boil? Yea. Would he have even cared if she called him a misogynistic prick? Absolutely not. He would have just told her to sit down and shut up, that misogyny is made up by inferior women blah blah blah...\nInstead, his insecurities are eating him alive.",
">\n\nWhy even respond and give him attention that he so desperately craves? And why body shame men in the process? \nIf she didn't have a better insult she could have just went on with her life instead of helping him grow. Using \"small dick energy\" as an insult means implicitly we agree that people with small penises are inferior and undesirable. That's basically what Tate is on about ( Toxic masculinity). And by laughing at her tweet we all reinforce that perception. Do you get that? \nSick of double standards and hypocrisy. At least people should have the courage to own up and acknowledge it then move on instead of doubling down and performing mental gymnastics to justify an obvious case of body shaming.\nI agree with you on one thing that the net effect on society because of this tweet exchange is negative and only serves the people who Greta and her followers hate.",
">\n\nI think you are missing what I am saying. I fully agree that it wasn't necessary nor was it the right thing for Greta to do. I also agree that it just gives him attention and was overall a useless venture other for the entertainment of Tate haters.\nOP asked why it is okay. I stated that it isn't okay but that I understand why Greta took that road rather than the suggested non-offensive approach. It is because he's immune to it. What he isn't immune to is his masculinity and ego being questioned. What is the point of the Wolf continuing to blow on the brick house? None. To get to the scared little piggies inside he needs a jackhammer. \nAnd it worked exactly how she planned it to. He was rattled and anyone who hates Tate is amused. \nNot saying it's the right thing to do, nor do I want anyone to feel ashamed of the size of their penis.",
">\n\nOk.. thanks for elaborating on that. I misunderstood your comment as a disagreement and engaged to try and change your mind but seems we share the same view.",
">\n\nYou do not know what Greta is \"fully aware\" of. She is referring to character and behaviour, why are you taking this personally? She isn't speaking to you, hasn't seen you, doesn't know you. I don't know why you are externalizing your issue like this and waving it around in public, is it our responsibility to fix this for you?\nShe was just making a tiny joke. Relax. smalldickenergy @ getalife .com is hilarious.",
">\n\nAside from everything else, it's men who started the 'big dick energy' idiocy so to then complain when someone uses their own stupidity against them...",
">\n\nYeah because men are a monolith and we all meet in a room and know each other smh.",
">\n\nThey’re saying it’s offensive to more than just Andrew Tate",
">\n\nYeah but again, ISN'T THE PURPOSE",
">\n\nWhat do you mean again? You didn’t say that before. And why does the purpose matter? You can do a bad thing without meaning to.",
">\n\nI meant to say isn't that the purpose lol mb",
">\n\nOh lol I probably should have realized that. But I think the point of the insult was to offend Andrew Tate.",
">\n\nFair. Trying to not say anything about him one way or another so I don't get downvoted to hell.",
">\n\nGreta lost that argument. She literally has like a hundred things Tate has said and done she could attack. Easy target... The one thing she chose to do is to body shame the man. It's just name calling. It's not a refutation of Tate. If anything it makes her sound stupid for her inability to come up with a refutation."
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I think you are kinda missing the point. People know it offensive. The issue is that they don't care.
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"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult.",
">\n\nIt's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh.",
">\n\nHonestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV",
">\n\nPeople can make mistakes and this was one of them.. so we can all just criticize her reply fairly and move on. No need for acute mental gymnastics to defend her as this comments section is showing lmao.",
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">\n\nI don't think anyone is arguing it's not offensive. I'm pretty sure she was trying to offend insecure men. Apparently with great success.",
">\n\nShe was trying to offend men who were insecure about their body image?\nHow is that not body shaming?",
">\n\nIt is, but we playing the avoidance and rationalization game",
">\n\nbecause women invented \"small dick energy\"\nharsh, sad. but we go jim🗿",
">\n\nOP never mentioned women tho. Post is strictly about why it's offensive. Do you disagree that it's not offensive or you think it's a trivial matter to make fun of that men's mental health doesn't matter as much?",
">\n\nThe female equivalent is\n\"Loose Pussy Energy\".\nThe typical man-hate hypocrisy commonly going around is beyond obvious. And it is an attack on All men and boys not just some.",
">\n\nNot a disagreement per se, but also worth noting that it’s transphobic. Which is to say, it insults all men by reinforcing patriarchy and punching down to two groups of men.",
">\n\nShe said small dick energy. Not that he had a small dick (though, come on). She used that phrase BECAUSE it's Tate. She's not a moron.\nHe is, as evidenced by his life to this point and his two responses to Thunberg, which were epically pathetic, is a moron and didn't seem to get it, though he doesn't get a lot.",
">\n\nThis is worse than saying he has a small dick, because how would she know, and that would just be dismissed as stupid.\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\nI can't understand the mental gymnastics some people are doing to try and say this isn't body shaming.",
">\n\n\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\n\nI mean yeah -- kind of like how pussy is an insult denoting cowardice, cunt is an insult meaning basically, terrible, etc., \nShe used that on purpose. Are you making CMV every time you see someone calling someone else a pussy?",
">\n\nPussy is kind of already known to be a shitty gendered insult so it doesn't need a CMV. In this case, Greta's gendered \"having a small penis is bad\" tweet is massively amplified, reached r/all on a shitload of subs, etc. so some discussion about whether or not that is cool is warranted",
">\n\nSmall dick energy isn’t about having a small dick tho. It’s a reflection of an attitude that men who are offensive, aggressive, nasty to people are overcompensating for their insecurities. A small dick doesn’t mean you won’t be able to find a partner or that you’re any less of a man. Being a downright trash bag of a human to others, like in this instance where an internet edgelord is cyber bullying a teenager on the internet who is fighting for the survival of our planet/humanity is an example of this trash behavior, is more of a determining factor. \nYou can also have a small dick but have big dick energy, as it’s reflective of who you are as a person. It’s an attitude. It’s who you choose to be to yourself and others. Hell, there’s women who use the term that they have big dick energy and I can tell you those women’s dicks are none existent so therefore size isn’t a thing. \nNo one should be made fun of for something they had no control over. The worth of a man is not tied to the size of his penis. Although, toxic masculinity and shallow people will tell you different. They say the same for disabled people, fat people etc. There’s plenty of people who are not “conventional standards of beauty” which is the majority of us, that lead happy, healthy relationships. Those relationships start with yourself and understanding your worth as a person isn’t tied to what you look like or how big your junk is. \nThe point is if you choose to be a trash person like Tate, where your self worth is tied into how cruel/offensive you can be to other people, don’t be mad if people call you out for that trashy attitude. Your post definitely reeks of “men are the true victims” when clearly you didn’t seem to have a problem with a grown man cyber bullying a teenager.",
">\n\nI like how you imply that OP is a fan of a literal human trafficker because they point out that a body-shaming insult is body-shaming. Do you understand why associating a trait of someone's body with negative personality traits is bad?",
">\n\nNo because people like this always have exceptions that allow them to use the things they complain about. Cognitive gymnastics allows them to recognise shaming women and people of colour is bad, because society will eat them otherwise, but when someone shows up who deserves a bit of a roasting all of their social etiquette rules go out the window and the excuses come out as to why in this context it doesn't count.\n\"Ahh no, here it is a reflection of an attitude\" blah blah 3 paragraphs later and we've clouded over the simple fact that body shaming is body shaming and harms people you weren't intending to insult.",
">\n\nPeople like this? You’re assuming things about me because I am a character in your mind not a real person. I am not a monolith. We should not be body shaming people. I am explaining the other side of this issue and why people use these terms. You never asked if I use these same terms in my life. You assumed I do. I don’t. You didn’t even bother to read my response because if you did you would have realized this.",
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">\n\nYou can have smol pp but big pp energy and vice versa",
">\n\nSo why is the phrase small dick energy if it has nothing to do with having a small dick?",
">\n\nIdk man, I just work here.",
">\n\nYou know why. Lol cause small dick is associated with bad. And by insulting dicks you use this knowledge to offend, at the cost of body shaming people. \nStop feigning dumb just to avoid the reasoning lol",
">\n\nI can see how it would be offensive, and I wouldn’t use it myself. I feel like the phrase refers more to how someone acts as opposed to how they are endowed. And how it’s behavior and actions that make people think down of you not your penis.",
">\n\nPoint is that we, as a society, should encourage better insults that attack the comments of the person without necessarily having to equate it to something someone with a small dick.",
">\n\nWould you agree with me, that if Andrew clapped back with one of those that the internet would be up in arms about it?",
">\n\nYou mean the way that you are, here, on the internet, up in arms?",
">\n\nIm one person on reddit, theres no major backlash like there would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\nSee, what's happening here is that you are also looking at people who are \"one person on Reddit\" and pretending it's a major backlash. Andrew Tate says fucked up things about women all the time (in fact, it's kind of his whole schtick) and it's as much of a non-event as this is.",
">\n\nPlease link me to something fucked up hes said about women, and ill agree with you, two wrongs don't make a right.",
">\n\nHere's exhibit A.",
">\n\nSure I agree with you he has said fucked up stuff about women, it doesn't mean its okay to make a joke about small dick energy.\nDo you understand my point?",
">\n\nWe understand, it's just that your point is fucking stupid",
">\n\nYou have no idea what his point is, it's funny that people on this thread OP and others actually like Andrew Tate.\nIt proves that everyone is completely frothingly tribalistic with zero nuance.",
">\n\nIf someone is behaving insufferably, people are going to laugh at them for things that they wouldn’t find funny if it happened to someone they liked.\nFor example, is it funny when people go bankrupt? No. Would it be funny if someone like Andrew Tate went bankrupt after boasting about Bugattis and all of his mass wealth? Yes. This doesn’t mean people who would make fun of him for that are making fun of poverty or all people who lose their livelihoods, it would just be funny if it happened to that particular person. \nIn the same way, the idea that Tate does all the douchey, over the top macho things that he does in order to compensate for having a small penis is funny, whilst it not being funny to make fun of every person who has a small penis.",
">\n\nSubstitute fat. Is that ok?",
">\n\nDepends on what the fat person is doing. If the person is minding their own business then no, if the fat person is attacking other people’s appearances then yeah go for it.",
">\n\nInteresting take. Might want to play with that a bit. A lot of situations where your reasoning falls apart.",
">\n\nPeople insulted Trump for being fat when he tried to say he was like the most fit person ever. People make fun of Elon Musk's body. You can make the same type of insult to two different people and it come off two different ways. \nWhen you make your identity or argument around something it opens up certain insults and comebacks. \nTate's whole thing is trying to act like this \"alpha male\" when in reality he's a sex trafficking weirdo who pays women to hang out with him. It's totally fine to insult him with a childish insult. \nI also find that people worried or mad about this don't actually care about body image issues. They just want a gotcha moment for people. Because many would have shitty takes about fat people or whine about pc culture.",
">\n\nWhen you call some MF that doesn't necessarily mean you are a MF... I'm not saying it's okay to say abusing words but we still do use them.\nI don't think she said it in literal terms, it was completely literary. Also she only said it cause it was Tate who she said it to. Also if a woman has small tits and someone said to someone else that they have small tits energy, I don't think one who actually has small tits would mind it, cause she is not involved and it's kinda perfect way of irritating Tate.. cause he really cares about these things. \nWhen it comes to increasing the insecurity of someone who actually has small D and is insecure about it... She couldn't think so far cause all she wanted was to irritate Tate and she was successful",
">\n\nI don't think it even irritated him if that was her goal but definitely helped him with popularity. It just proves what he says people think of insecure men, it just moves them to him and he gains more influence. It was an ignorant reply in poor taste. Someone with much following and influence as Greta shouldn't be as irresponsible and the followers shouldn't be having to do mental gymnastics to defend her instead of seeing it as it is: body shaming against men.",
">\n\nIs this some kind of weird meta-game? Are Andrew Tate fans pretending to actually be offended by this stupid insult to prove a point? Does anybody actually think her retort was any sharper than a brick wrapped in a wet blanket?\nWhat is going on here?!",
">\n\n\nWhat is going on here?!\n\nAndrew Tate fans have a lot of small dick energy. That's whats going on.",
">\n\nWhy are people not allowed dislike tate (he's an absolute idiot and a grifter) and also to criticize obvious body shaming from a supposed progressive? If Biden started talking about \"N*gger energy\" criticizing Kanye for antisemitism, would that be ok in your eyes? Would you say that a black guy who doesn't like that must be an angry Kanye fan? Or is it disgustingly offensive towards all African Americans to use that type of language no matter what?",
">\n\nBecause it suits their narrative to frame it as if people are just defending tate. It's easier than just actually defending body shaming. Done deal.",
">\n\nI think Greta used that phrase not because she actually believes or wants to promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior, but because people like Andrew Tate believe and promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior. If Andrew Tate gets hurt because Greta says he has small dick energy, then maybe -- just maybe, with the tiniest bit of introspection -- he'll come to realize how hateful some of his language is.\nBullies like Andrew Tate don't really respond to logic or pleas for sympathy. The only way to maybe make them understand the hurt they cause is to inflict it on them, because they don't care about anyone but themselves. \nSo instead of putting the cart before the horse and blaming Greta for using an offensive phrase as an argumentative tactic, maybe blame the people who use the phrase to actually demean people.",
">\n\nCan we substitute fat instead and be justified?",
">\n\nYes people did that with Trump when he claimed to be the fittest person ever basically. If someone has a habit of insulting people a certain way or making certain claims then they open themselves up to specific insults. \nSometimes we'd find those insults not tasteful if said to other people. But I feel like most people equating this to fat insults don't actually care about fat people. A lot of people would also be like oh things are getting too pc or soft or woke when it comes to body positivity towards fat people. So for me it's hard to buy this line of reasoning as being truly valid or caring.",
">\n\nNo one said it has to be authentic caring. This sub is for exploring the intellectual arguments. Your perception of how authentic someone’s feelings towards fat people is basically irrelevant. Argue the point or don’t. Passing your authenticity test is a wierd standard to try to argue for.",
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">\n\nYes, making insults is offensive. That's the point.\nInsults that reference a body part are also offensive to people who are insecure about that body part. That's also kinda obvious.\nWhat do you want your mind changed about here? I'm unclear about what you think can be discussed about an insult meant to be insulting. Are you arguing that this insult is especially wrong in some way?\nHow is this not just you soapboxing?",
">\n\nThere's a reason as a society we don't use insults like \"retard\". This is in the same vein. You're attributing a negative thing with a man having a small penis. This is harmful as it perpetuates the stigma surrounding penis size which is outside ones control. Essentially it degrades a group of people who have nothing to do with it. OP wants to know whether or not this is reconciled. Reading the comments... It has not been. \nMaking gendered insults doesn't bother me truthfully but I can understand the frustration OP is expressing because were it to be a man making some edgy reference to a woman's lady parts being inadequate as a way to demean them then everyone would be outraged as opposed to cheering it on.",
">\n\nUsing “small dick” as an insult, or “loose pussy” isn’t really offensive unless you are insecure about the physical viability of your reproductive organs. \nBut, that doesn’t make it funny. It’s a really juvenile and uncreative way of ridiculing someone.",
">\n\nInsecure women are offended when they're fat shamed.\nIt's still body shaming.\nIt's still wrong.",
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">\n\nGuy randomly decides to flex on her by saying I HAVE CARS AND I LIKE TO GO VROOOOM. It's like when Piers decides that it's absolutely important to eat meat in front of vegans. It's not about penis size. It's just that smalldickenergy is a perfect explanation of why would someone decide to behave like this.",
">\n\nShe is 19. Maybe in a few years she will have more mature insults. It’s a lot of pressure to be put on someone so young to also say the perfect thing all the time",
">\n\nUnder nearly all circumstances, I agree with you.\nHowever, for a lot of people who have built a cult of personality around any given ideal, insults of the inoffensive type are completely commonplace. All they have to do is fend off one or two instances of this PG rated attacks, strawman them, call them snowflakes, and their following is bolstered and enhanced. Instead of having any negative effect, it becomes part of their inherent power.\nSometimes if you want to rattle a cult leader you have to hit with precision their most critical weakness and watch them implode. The fact that Tate is squirming so hard and doing everything he can to reclaim some of his dignity after Greta's clapback means that she has his number. Great isn't saying that having a small dick is bad, but knowing that Tate's entire personality is built about being an alpha male and that calling into question the size of his member will hurt him the most is what she was after. \nOf course, it wasn't classy and could be offensive to some. But as the saying goes, sometimes you have to fight fire with fire.",
">\n\nReally is he squirming? \nHe's rich he's popular and now he's gotten someone he disagrees with to repeat his ideology and platform spreading it to a wider audience. \nI'd argue he's happy for the attention and popularity that she's given to him now and enjoying the increased sales in his business as more men who feel marginalized and left out join him seeing this hypocrisy playing out. Not to mention all the political players( internationally) who were against climate action seeing all this and aligning themselves appropriately, possibly propping him up and making him something more than what he actually is- An ignorant troll. \nEngage with a troll and you only give them more power. The tweet was dumb and people should know better.\nEdit: spacing",
">\n\nI'm not commenting on whether or not his fans will like him more or if the controversy will inadvertently grant him a wider audience. \nI'm commenting that Greta knew exactly where and how to hit him the hardest. Yes, he is definitely squirming. He has scrambled out half a dozen prepubescent \"I know you are but what am I\" tweets. Then he went and made the absolute cringiest response video. He's incensed by being talked down to by Greta and is overcompensating. \nDid her tweet have any net positive effect on society? No. Did it ruffle Tate's feathers and make his blood boil? Yea. Would he have even cared if she called him a misogynistic prick? Absolutely not. He would have just told her to sit down and shut up, that misogyny is made up by inferior women blah blah blah...\nInstead, his insecurities are eating him alive.",
">\n\nWhy even respond and give him attention that he so desperately craves? And why body shame men in the process? \nIf she didn't have a better insult she could have just went on with her life instead of helping him grow. Using \"small dick energy\" as an insult means implicitly we agree that people with small penises are inferior and undesirable. That's basically what Tate is on about ( Toxic masculinity). And by laughing at her tweet we all reinforce that perception. Do you get that? \nSick of double standards and hypocrisy. At least people should have the courage to own up and acknowledge it then move on instead of doubling down and performing mental gymnastics to justify an obvious case of body shaming.\nI agree with you on one thing that the net effect on society because of this tweet exchange is negative and only serves the people who Greta and her followers hate.",
">\n\nI think you are missing what I am saying. I fully agree that it wasn't necessary nor was it the right thing for Greta to do. I also agree that it just gives him attention and was overall a useless venture other for the entertainment of Tate haters.\nOP asked why it is okay. I stated that it isn't okay but that I understand why Greta took that road rather than the suggested non-offensive approach. It is because he's immune to it. What he isn't immune to is his masculinity and ego being questioned. What is the point of the Wolf continuing to blow on the brick house? None. To get to the scared little piggies inside he needs a jackhammer. \nAnd it worked exactly how she planned it to. He was rattled and anyone who hates Tate is amused. \nNot saying it's the right thing to do, nor do I want anyone to feel ashamed of the size of their penis.",
">\n\nOk.. thanks for elaborating on that. I misunderstood your comment as a disagreement and engaged to try and change your mind but seems we share the same view.",
">\n\nYou do not know what Greta is \"fully aware\" of. She is referring to character and behaviour, why are you taking this personally? She isn't speaking to you, hasn't seen you, doesn't know you. I don't know why you are externalizing your issue like this and waving it around in public, is it our responsibility to fix this for you?\nShe was just making a tiny joke. Relax. smalldickenergy @ getalife .com is hilarious.",
">\n\nAside from everything else, it's men who started the 'big dick energy' idiocy so to then complain when someone uses their own stupidity against them...",
">\n\nYeah because men are a monolith and we all meet in a room and know each other smh.",
">\n\nThey’re saying it’s offensive to more than just Andrew Tate",
">\n\nYeah but again, ISN'T THE PURPOSE",
">\n\nWhat do you mean again? You didn’t say that before. And why does the purpose matter? You can do a bad thing without meaning to.",
">\n\nI meant to say isn't that the purpose lol mb",
">\n\nOh lol I probably should have realized that. But I think the point of the insult was to offend Andrew Tate.",
">\n\nFair. Trying to not say anything about him one way or another so I don't get downvoted to hell.",
">\n\nGreta lost that argument. She literally has like a hundred things Tate has said and done she could attack. Easy target... The one thing she chose to do is to body shame the man. It's just name calling. It's not a refutation of Tate. If anything it makes her sound stupid for her inability to come up with a refutation.",
">\n\nExactly. But people are just cheering her on and laughing along without grasping the nuance of the situation."
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People used to make fun of small tits all the time. Remember the 90s? Remember the itty bitty titty committee? I don't know if that's a thing any more, but skinny women with no butts are definitely not seen as attractive. It's not fair. It's not their fault. People need to stop shaming themselves and eachother, and accept all bodies. Until then, "small dick energy" won't cease to be an insult. I guess the difference is people are sort of "punching up" since it's always been people with dicks who have the power in this world. I've never heard a dude say that another dude has "small dick energy." It's always a woman saying that. Either way I think it's dumb but I get it. I've always thought "Karen" was a dumb insult too. Not someone's fault they were named Karen, LOL.
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"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult.",
">\n\nIt's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh.",
">\n\nHonestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV",
">\n\nPeople can make mistakes and this was one of them.. so we can all just criticize her reply fairly and move on. No need for acute mental gymnastics to defend her as this comments section is showing lmao.",
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">\n\nI don't think anyone is arguing it's not offensive. I'm pretty sure she was trying to offend insecure men. Apparently with great success.",
">\n\nShe was trying to offend men who were insecure about their body image?\nHow is that not body shaming?",
">\n\nIt is, but we playing the avoidance and rationalization game",
">\n\nbecause women invented \"small dick energy\"\nharsh, sad. but we go jim🗿",
">\n\nOP never mentioned women tho. Post is strictly about why it's offensive. Do you disagree that it's not offensive or you think it's a trivial matter to make fun of that men's mental health doesn't matter as much?",
">\n\nThe female equivalent is\n\"Loose Pussy Energy\".\nThe typical man-hate hypocrisy commonly going around is beyond obvious. And it is an attack on All men and boys not just some.",
">\n\nNot a disagreement per se, but also worth noting that it’s transphobic. Which is to say, it insults all men by reinforcing patriarchy and punching down to two groups of men.",
">\n\nShe said small dick energy. Not that he had a small dick (though, come on). She used that phrase BECAUSE it's Tate. She's not a moron.\nHe is, as evidenced by his life to this point and his two responses to Thunberg, which were epically pathetic, is a moron and didn't seem to get it, though he doesn't get a lot.",
">\n\nThis is worse than saying he has a small dick, because how would she know, and that would just be dismissed as stupid.\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\nI can't understand the mental gymnastics some people are doing to try and say this isn't body shaming.",
">\n\n\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\n\nI mean yeah -- kind of like how pussy is an insult denoting cowardice, cunt is an insult meaning basically, terrible, etc., \nShe used that on purpose. Are you making CMV every time you see someone calling someone else a pussy?",
">\n\nPussy is kind of already known to be a shitty gendered insult so it doesn't need a CMV. In this case, Greta's gendered \"having a small penis is bad\" tweet is massively amplified, reached r/all on a shitload of subs, etc. so some discussion about whether or not that is cool is warranted",
">\n\nSmall dick energy isn’t about having a small dick tho. It’s a reflection of an attitude that men who are offensive, aggressive, nasty to people are overcompensating for their insecurities. A small dick doesn’t mean you won’t be able to find a partner or that you’re any less of a man. Being a downright trash bag of a human to others, like in this instance where an internet edgelord is cyber bullying a teenager on the internet who is fighting for the survival of our planet/humanity is an example of this trash behavior, is more of a determining factor. \nYou can also have a small dick but have big dick energy, as it’s reflective of who you are as a person. It’s an attitude. It’s who you choose to be to yourself and others. Hell, there’s women who use the term that they have big dick energy and I can tell you those women’s dicks are none existent so therefore size isn’t a thing. \nNo one should be made fun of for something they had no control over. The worth of a man is not tied to the size of his penis. Although, toxic masculinity and shallow people will tell you different. They say the same for disabled people, fat people etc. There’s plenty of people who are not “conventional standards of beauty” which is the majority of us, that lead happy, healthy relationships. Those relationships start with yourself and understanding your worth as a person isn’t tied to what you look like or how big your junk is. \nThe point is if you choose to be a trash person like Tate, where your self worth is tied into how cruel/offensive you can be to other people, don’t be mad if people call you out for that trashy attitude. Your post definitely reeks of “men are the true victims” when clearly you didn’t seem to have a problem with a grown man cyber bullying a teenager.",
">\n\nI like how you imply that OP is a fan of a literal human trafficker because they point out that a body-shaming insult is body-shaming. Do you understand why associating a trait of someone's body with negative personality traits is bad?",
">\n\nNo because people like this always have exceptions that allow them to use the things they complain about. Cognitive gymnastics allows them to recognise shaming women and people of colour is bad, because society will eat them otherwise, but when someone shows up who deserves a bit of a roasting all of their social etiquette rules go out the window and the excuses come out as to why in this context it doesn't count.\n\"Ahh no, here it is a reflection of an attitude\" blah blah 3 paragraphs later and we've clouded over the simple fact that body shaming is body shaming and harms people you weren't intending to insult.",
">\n\nPeople like this? You’re assuming things about me because I am a character in your mind not a real person. I am not a monolith. We should not be body shaming people. I am explaining the other side of this issue and why people use these terms. You never asked if I use these same terms in my life. You assumed I do. I don’t. You didn’t even bother to read my response because if you did you would have realized this.",
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">\n\nYou can have smol pp but big pp energy and vice versa",
">\n\nSo why is the phrase small dick energy if it has nothing to do with having a small dick?",
">\n\nIdk man, I just work here.",
">\n\nYou know why. Lol cause small dick is associated with bad. And by insulting dicks you use this knowledge to offend, at the cost of body shaming people. \nStop feigning dumb just to avoid the reasoning lol",
">\n\nI can see how it would be offensive, and I wouldn’t use it myself. I feel like the phrase refers more to how someone acts as opposed to how they are endowed. And how it’s behavior and actions that make people think down of you not your penis.",
">\n\nPoint is that we, as a society, should encourage better insults that attack the comments of the person without necessarily having to equate it to something someone with a small dick.",
">\n\nWould you agree with me, that if Andrew clapped back with one of those that the internet would be up in arms about it?",
">\n\nYou mean the way that you are, here, on the internet, up in arms?",
">\n\nIm one person on reddit, theres no major backlash like there would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\nSee, what's happening here is that you are also looking at people who are \"one person on Reddit\" and pretending it's a major backlash. Andrew Tate says fucked up things about women all the time (in fact, it's kind of his whole schtick) and it's as much of a non-event as this is.",
">\n\nPlease link me to something fucked up hes said about women, and ill agree with you, two wrongs don't make a right.",
">\n\nHere's exhibit A.",
">\n\nSure I agree with you he has said fucked up stuff about women, it doesn't mean its okay to make a joke about small dick energy.\nDo you understand my point?",
">\n\nWe understand, it's just that your point is fucking stupid",
">\n\nYou have no idea what his point is, it's funny that people on this thread OP and others actually like Andrew Tate.\nIt proves that everyone is completely frothingly tribalistic with zero nuance.",
">\n\nIf someone is behaving insufferably, people are going to laugh at them for things that they wouldn’t find funny if it happened to someone they liked.\nFor example, is it funny when people go bankrupt? No. Would it be funny if someone like Andrew Tate went bankrupt after boasting about Bugattis and all of his mass wealth? Yes. This doesn’t mean people who would make fun of him for that are making fun of poverty or all people who lose their livelihoods, it would just be funny if it happened to that particular person. \nIn the same way, the idea that Tate does all the douchey, over the top macho things that he does in order to compensate for having a small penis is funny, whilst it not being funny to make fun of every person who has a small penis.",
">\n\nSubstitute fat. Is that ok?",
">\n\nDepends on what the fat person is doing. If the person is minding their own business then no, if the fat person is attacking other people’s appearances then yeah go for it.",
">\n\nInteresting take. Might want to play with that a bit. A lot of situations where your reasoning falls apart.",
">\n\nPeople insulted Trump for being fat when he tried to say he was like the most fit person ever. People make fun of Elon Musk's body. You can make the same type of insult to two different people and it come off two different ways. \nWhen you make your identity or argument around something it opens up certain insults and comebacks. \nTate's whole thing is trying to act like this \"alpha male\" when in reality he's a sex trafficking weirdo who pays women to hang out with him. It's totally fine to insult him with a childish insult. \nI also find that people worried or mad about this don't actually care about body image issues. They just want a gotcha moment for people. Because many would have shitty takes about fat people or whine about pc culture.",
">\n\nWhen you call some MF that doesn't necessarily mean you are a MF... I'm not saying it's okay to say abusing words but we still do use them.\nI don't think she said it in literal terms, it was completely literary. Also she only said it cause it was Tate who she said it to. Also if a woman has small tits and someone said to someone else that they have small tits energy, I don't think one who actually has small tits would mind it, cause she is not involved and it's kinda perfect way of irritating Tate.. cause he really cares about these things. \nWhen it comes to increasing the insecurity of someone who actually has small D and is insecure about it... She couldn't think so far cause all she wanted was to irritate Tate and she was successful",
">\n\nI don't think it even irritated him if that was her goal but definitely helped him with popularity. It just proves what he says people think of insecure men, it just moves them to him and he gains more influence. It was an ignorant reply in poor taste. Someone with much following and influence as Greta shouldn't be as irresponsible and the followers shouldn't be having to do mental gymnastics to defend her instead of seeing it as it is: body shaming against men.",
">\n\nIs this some kind of weird meta-game? Are Andrew Tate fans pretending to actually be offended by this stupid insult to prove a point? Does anybody actually think her retort was any sharper than a brick wrapped in a wet blanket?\nWhat is going on here?!",
">\n\n\nWhat is going on here?!\n\nAndrew Tate fans have a lot of small dick energy. That's whats going on.",
">\n\nWhy are people not allowed dislike tate (he's an absolute idiot and a grifter) and also to criticize obvious body shaming from a supposed progressive? If Biden started talking about \"N*gger energy\" criticizing Kanye for antisemitism, would that be ok in your eyes? Would you say that a black guy who doesn't like that must be an angry Kanye fan? Or is it disgustingly offensive towards all African Americans to use that type of language no matter what?",
">\n\nBecause it suits their narrative to frame it as if people are just defending tate. It's easier than just actually defending body shaming. Done deal.",
">\n\nI think Greta used that phrase not because she actually believes or wants to promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior, but because people like Andrew Tate believe and promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior. If Andrew Tate gets hurt because Greta says he has small dick energy, then maybe -- just maybe, with the tiniest bit of introspection -- he'll come to realize how hateful some of his language is.\nBullies like Andrew Tate don't really respond to logic or pleas for sympathy. The only way to maybe make them understand the hurt they cause is to inflict it on them, because they don't care about anyone but themselves. \nSo instead of putting the cart before the horse and blaming Greta for using an offensive phrase as an argumentative tactic, maybe blame the people who use the phrase to actually demean people.",
">\n\nCan we substitute fat instead and be justified?",
">\n\nYes people did that with Trump when he claimed to be the fittest person ever basically. If someone has a habit of insulting people a certain way or making certain claims then they open themselves up to specific insults. \nSometimes we'd find those insults not tasteful if said to other people. But I feel like most people equating this to fat insults don't actually care about fat people. A lot of people would also be like oh things are getting too pc or soft or woke when it comes to body positivity towards fat people. So for me it's hard to buy this line of reasoning as being truly valid or caring.",
">\n\nNo one said it has to be authentic caring. This sub is for exploring the intellectual arguments. Your perception of how authentic someone’s feelings towards fat people is basically irrelevant. Argue the point or don’t. Passing your authenticity test is a wierd standard to try to argue for.",
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">\n\nYes, making insults is offensive. That's the point.\nInsults that reference a body part are also offensive to people who are insecure about that body part. That's also kinda obvious.\nWhat do you want your mind changed about here? I'm unclear about what you think can be discussed about an insult meant to be insulting. Are you arguing that this insult is especially wrong in some way?\nHow is this not just you soapboxing?",
">\n\nThere's a reason as a society we don't use insults like \"retard\". This is in the same vein. You're attributing a negative thing with a man having a small penis. This is harmful as it perpetuates the stigma surrounding penis size which is outside ones control. Essentially it degrades a group of people who have nothing to do with it. OP wants to know whether or not this is reconciled. Reading the comments... It has not been. \nMaking gendered insults doesn't bother me truthfully but I can understand the frustration OP is expressing because were it to be a man making some edgy reference to a woman's lady parts being inadequate as a way to demean them then everyone would be outraged as opposed to cheering it on.",
">\n\nUsing “small dick” as an insult, or “loose pussy” isn’t really offensive unless you are insecure about the physical viability of your reproductive organs. \nBut, that doesn’t make it funny. It’s a really juvenile and uncreative way of ridiculing someone.",
">\n\nInsecure women are offended when they're fat shamed.\nIt's still body shaming.\nIt's still wrong.",
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">\n\nGuy randomly decides to flex on her by saying I HAVE CARS AND I LIKE TO GO VROOOOM. It's like when Piers decides that it's absolutely important to eat meat in front of vegans. It's not about penis size. It's just that smalldickenergy is a perfect explanation of why would someone decide to behave like this.",
">\n\nShe is 19. Maybe in a few years she will have more mature insults. It’s a lot of pressure to be put on someone so young to also say the perfect thing all the time",
">\n\nUnder nearly all circumstances, I agree with you.\nHowever, for a lot of people who have built a cult of personality around any given ideal, insults of the inoffensive type are completely commonplace. All they have to do is fend off one or two instances of this PG rated attacks, strawman them, call them snowflakes, and their following is bolstered and enhanced. Instead of having any negative effect, it becomes part of their inherent power.\nSometimes if you want to rattle a cult leader you have to hit with precision their most critical weakness and watch them implode. The fact that Tate is squirming so hard and doing everything he can to reclaim some of his dignity after Greta's clapback means that she has his number. Great isn't saying that having a small dick is bad, but knowing that Tate's entire personality is built about being an alpha male and that calling into question the size of his member will hurt him the most is what she was after. \nOf course, it wasn't classy and could be offensive to some. But as the saying goes, sometimes you have to fight fire with fire.",
">\n\nReally is he squirming? \nHe's rich he's popular and now he's gotten someone he disagrees with to repeat his ideology and platform spreading it to a wider audience. \nI'd argue he's happy for the attention and popularity that she's given to him now and enjoying the increased sales in his business as more men who feel marginalized and left out join him seeing this hypocrisy playing out. Not to mention all the political players( internationally) who were against climate action seeing all this and aligning themselves appropriately, possibly propping him up and making him something more than what he actually is- An ignorant troll. \nEngage with a troll and you only give them more power. The tweet was dumb and people should know better.\nEdit: spacing",
">\n\nI'm not commenting on whether or not his fans will like him more or if the controversy will inadvertently grant him a wider audience. \nI'm commenting that Greta knew exactly where and how to hit him the hardest. Yes, he is definitely squirming. He has scrambled out half a dozen prepubescent \"I know you are but what am I\" tweets. Then he went and made the absolute cringiest response video. He's incensed by being talked down to by Greta and is overcompensating. \nDid her tweet have any net positive effect on society? No. Did it ruffle Tate's feathers and make his blood boil? Yea. Would he have even cared if she called him a misogynistic prick? Absolutely not. He would have just told her to sit down and shut up, that misogyny is made up by inferior women blah blah blah...\nInstead, his insecurities are eating him alive.",
">\n\nWhy even respond and give him attention that he so desperately craves? And why body shame men in the process? \nIf she didn't have a better insult she could have just went on with her life instead of helping him grow. Using \"small dick energy\" as an insult means implicitly we agree that people with small penises are inferior and undesirable. That's basically what Tate is on about ( Toxic masculinity). And by laughing at her tweet we all reinforce that perception. Do you get that? \nSick of double standards and hypocrisy. At least people should have the courage to own up and acknowledge it then move on instead of doubling down and performing mental gymnastics to justify an obvious case of body shaming.\nI agree with you on one thing that the net effect on society because of this tweet exchange is negative and only serves the people who Greta and her followers hate.",
">\n\nI think you are missing what I am saying. I fully agree that it wasn't necessary nor was it the right thing for Greta to do. I also agree that it just gives him attention and was overall a useless venture other for the entertainment of Tate haters.\nOP asked why it is okay. I stated that it isn't okay but that I understand why Greta took that road rather than the suggested non-offensive approach. It is because he's immune to it. What he isn't immune to is his masculinity and ego being questioned. What is the point of the Wolf continuing to blow on the brick house? None. To get to the scared little piggies inside he needs a jackhammer. \nAnd it worked exactly how she planned it to. He was rattled and anyone who hates Tate is amused. \nNot saying it's the right thing to do, nor do I want anyone to feel ashamed of the size of their penis.",
">\n\nOk.. thanks for elaborating on that. I misunderstood your comment as a disagreement and engaged to try and change your mind but seems we share the same view.",
">\n\nYou do not know what Greta is \"fully aware\" of. She is referring to character and behaviour, why are you taking this personally? She isn't speaking to you, hasn't seen you, doesn't know you. I don't know why you are externalizing your issue like this and waving it around in public, is it our responsibility to fix this for you?\nShe was just making a tiny joke. Relax. smalldickenergy @ getalife .com is hilarious.",
">\n\nAside from everything else, it's men who started the 'big dick energy' idiocy so to then complain when someone uses their own stupidity against them...",
">\n\nYeah because men are a monolith and we all meet in a room and know each other smh.",
">\n\nThey’re saying it’s offensive to more than just Andrew Tate",
">\n\nYeah but again, ISN'T THE PURPOSE",
">\n\nWhat do you mean again? You didn’t say that before. And why does the purpose matter? You can do a bad thing without meaning to.",
">\n\nI meant to say isn't that the purpose lol mb",
">\n\nOh lol I probably should have realized that. But I think the point of the insult was to offend Andrew Tate.",
">\n\nFair. Trying to not say anything about him one way or another so I don't get downvoted to hell.",
">\n\nGreta lost that argument. She literally has like a hundred things Tate has said and done she could attack. Easy target... The one thing she chose to do is to body shame the man. It's just name calling. It's not a refutation of Tate. If anything it makes her sound stupid for her inability to come up with a refutation.",
">\n\nExactly. But people are just cheering her on and laughing along without grasping the nuance of the situation.",
">\n\nI think you are kinda missing the point. People know it offensive. The issue is that they don't care."
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Andrew insulted her. He was asking for this insult. She was totally in the right. She wasn’t trying to shame anyone else. You’re asking for this insult too.
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"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult.",
">\n\nIt's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh.",
">\n\nHonestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV",
">\n\nPeople can make mistakes and this was one of them.. so we can all just criticize her reply fairly and move on. No need for acute mental gymnastics to defend her as this comments section is showing lmao.",
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">\n\nI don't think anyone is arguing it's not offensive. I'm pretty sure she was trying to offend insecure men. Apparently with great success.",
">\n\nShe was trying to offend men who were insecure about their body image?\nHow is that not body shaming?",
">\n\nIt is, but we playing the avoidance and rationalization game",
">\n\nbecause women invented \"small dick energy\"\nharsh, sad. but we go jim🗿",
">\n\nOP never mentioned women tho. Post is strictly about why it's offensive. Do you disagree that it's not offensive or you think it's a trivial matter to make fun of that men's mental health doesn't matter as much?",
">\n\nThe female equivalent is\n\"Loose Pussy Energy\".\nThe typical man-hate hypocrisy commonly going around is beyond obvious. And it is an attack on All men and boys not just some.",
">\n\nNot a disagreement per se, but also worth noting that it’s transphobic. Which is to say, it insults all men by reinforcing patriarchy and punching down to two groups of men.",
">\n\nShe said small dick energy. Not that he had a small dick (though, come on). She used that phrase BECAUSE it's Tate. She's not a moron.\nHe is, as evidenced by his life to this point and his two responses to Thunberg, which were epically pathetic, is a moron and didn't seem to get it, though he doesn't get a lot.",
">\n\nThis is worse than saying he has a small dick, because how would she know, and that would just be dismissed as stupid.\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\nI can't understand the mental gymnastics some people are doing to try and say this isn't body shaming.",
">\n\n\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\n\nI mean yeah -- kind of like how pussy is an insult denoting cowardice, cunt is an insult meaning basically, terrible, etc., \nShe used that on purpose. Are you making CMV every time you see someone calling someone else a pussy?",
">\n\nPussy is kind of already known to be a shitty gendered insult so it doesn't need a CMV. In this case, Greta's gendered \"having a small penis is bad\" tweet is massively amplified, reached r/all on a shitload of subs, etc. so some discussion about whether or not that is cool is warranted",
">\n\nSmall dick energy isn’t about having a small dick tho. It’s a reflection of an attitude that men who are offensive, aggressive, nasty to people are overcompensating for their insecurities. A small dick doesn’t mean you won’t be able to find a partner or that you’re any less of a man. Being a downright trash bag of a human to others, like in this instance where an internet edgelord is cyber bullying a teenager on the internet who is fighting for the survival of our planet/humanity is an example of this trash behavior, is more of a determining factor. \nYou can also have a small dick but have big dick energy, as it’s reflective of who you are as a person. It’s an attitude. It’s who you choose to be to yourself and others. Hell, there’s women who use the term that they have big dick energy and I can tell you those women’s dicks are none existent so therefore size isn’t a thing. \nNo one should be made fun of for something they had no control over. The worth of a man is not tied to the size of his penis. Although, toxic masculinity and shallow people will tell you different. They say the same for disabled people, fat people etc. There’s plenty of people who are not “conventional standards of beauty” which is the majority of us, that lead happy, healthy relationships. Those relationships start with yourself and understanding your worth as a person isn’t tied to what you look like or how big your junk is. \nThe point is if you choose to be a trash person like Tate, where your self worth is tied into how cruel/offensive you can be to other people, don’t be mad if people call you out for that trashy attitude. Your post definitely reeks of “men are the true victims” when clearly you didn’t seem to have a problem with a grown man cyber bullying a teenager.",
">\n\nI like how you imply that OP is a fan of a literal human trafficker because they point out that a body-shaming insult is body-shaming. Do you understand why associating a trait of someone's body with negative personality traits is bad?",
">\n\nNo because people like this always have exceptions that allow them to use the things they complain about. Cognitive gymnastics allows them to recognise shaming women and people of colour is bad, because society will eat them otherwise, but when someone shows up who deserves a bit of a roasting all of their social etiquette rules go out the window and the excuses come out as to why in this context it doesn't count.\n\"Ahh no, here it is a reflection of an attitude\" blah blah 3 paragraphs later and we've clouded over the simple fact that body shaming is body shaming and harms people you weren't intending to insult.",
">\n\nPeople like this? You’re assuming things about me because I am a character in your mind not a real person. I am not a monolith. We should not be body shaming people. I am explaining the other side of this issue and why people use these terms. You never asked if I use these same terms in my life. You assumed I do. I don’t. You didn’t even bother to read my response because if you did you would have realized this.",
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">\n\nYou can have smol pp but big pp energy and vice versa",
">\n\nSo why is the phrase small dick energy if it has nothing to do with having a small dick?",
">\n\nIdk man, I just work here.",
">\n\nYou know why. Lol cause small dick is associated with bad. And by insulting dicks you use this knowledge to offend, at the cost of body shaming people. \nStop feigning dumb just to avoid the reasoning lol",
">\n\nI can see how it would be offensive, and I wouldn’t use it myself. I feel like the phrase refers more to how someone acts as opposed to how they are endowed. And how it’s behavior and actions that make people think down of you not your penis.",
">\n\nPoint is that we, as a society, should encourage better insults that attack the comments of the person without necessarily having to equate it to something someone with a small dick.",
">\n\nWould you agree with me, that if Andrew clapped back with one of those that the internet would be up in arms about it?",
">\n\nYou mean the way that you are, here, on the internet, up in arms?",
">\n\nIm one person on reddit, theres no major backlash like there would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\nSee, what's happening here is that you are also looking at people who are \"one person on Reddit\" and pretending it's a major backlash. Andrew Tate says fucked up things about women all the time (in fact, it's kind of his whole schtick) and it's as much of a non-event as this is.",
">\n\nPlease link me to something fucked up hes said about women, and ill agree with you, two wrongs don't make a right.",
">\n\nHere's exhibit A.",
">\n\nSure I agree with you he has said fucked up stuff about women, it doesn't mean its okay to make a joke about small dick energy.\nDo you understand my point?",
">\n\nWe understand, it's just that your point is fucking stupid",
">\n\nYou have no idea what his point is, it's funny that people on this thread OP and others actually like Andrew Tate.\nIt proves that everyone is completely frothingly tribalistic with zero nuance.",
">\n\nIf someone is behaving insufferably, people are going to laugh at them for things that they wouldn’t find funny if it happened to someone they liked.\nFor example, is it funny when people go bankrupt? No. Would it be funny if someone like Andrew Tate went bankrupt after boasting about Bugattis and all of his mass wealth? Yes. This doesn’t mean people who would make fun of him for that are making fun of poverty or all people who lose their livelihoods, it would just be funny if it happened to that particular person. \nIn the same way, the idea that Tate does all the douchey, over the top macho things that he does in order to compensate for having a small penis is funny, whilst it not being funny to make fun of every person who has a small penis.",
">\n\nSubstitute fat. Is that ok?",
">\n\nDepends on what the fat person is doing. If the person is minding their own business then no, if the fat person is attacking other people’s appearances then yeah go for it.",
">\n\nInteresting take. Might want to play with that a bit. A lot of situations where your reasoning falls apart.",
">\n\nPeople insulted Trump for being fat when he tried to say he was like the most fit person ever. People make fun of Elon Musk's body. You can make the same type of insult to two different people and it come off two different ways. \nWhen you make your identity or argument around something it opens up certain insults and comebacks. \nTate's whole thing is trying to act like this \"alpha male\" when in reality he's a sex trafficking weirdo who pays women to hang out with him. It's totally fine to insult him with a childish insult. \nI also find that people worried or mad about this don't actually care about body image issues. They just want a gotcha moment for people. Because many would have shitty takes about fat people or whine about pc culture.",
">\n\nWhen you call some MF that doesn't necessarily mean you are a MF... I'm not saying it's okay to say abusing words but we still do use them.\nI don't think she said it in literal terms, it was completely literary. Also she only said it cause it was Tate who she said it to. Also if a woman has small tits and someone said to someone else that they have small tits energy, I don't think one who actually has small tits would mind it, cause she is not involved and it's kinda perfect way of irritating Tate.. cause he really cares about these things. \nWhen it comes to increasing the insecurity of someone who actually has small D and is insecure about it... She couldn't think so far cause all she wanted was to irritate Tate and she was successful",
">\n\nI don't think it even irritated him if that was her goal but definitely helped him with popularity. It just proves what he says people think of insecure men, it just moves them to him and he gains more influence. It was an ignorant reply in poor taste. Someone with much following and influence as Greta shouldn't be as irresponsible and the followers shouldn't be having to do mental gymnastics to defend her instead of seeing it as it is: body shaming against men.",
">\n\nIs this some kind of weird meta-game? Are Andrew Tate fans pretending to actually be offended by this stupid insult to prove a point? Does anybody actually think her retort was any sharper than a brick wrapped in a wet blanket?\nWhat is going on here?!",
">\n\n\nWhat is going on here?!\n\nAndrew Tate fans have a lot of small dick energy. That's whats going on.",
">\n\nWhy are people not allowed dislike tate (he's an absolute idiot and a grifter) and also to criticize obvious body shaming from a supposed progressive? If Biden started talking about \"N*gger energy\" criticizing Kanye for antisemitism, would that be ok in your eyes? Would you say that a black guy who doesn't like that must be an angry Kanye fan? Or is it disgustingly offensive towards all African Americans to use that type of language no matter what?",
">\n\nBecause it suits their narrative to frame it as if people are just defending tate. It's easier than just actually defending body shaming. Done deal.",
">\n\nI think Greta used that phrase not because she actually believes or wants to promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior, but because people like Andrew Tate believe and promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior. If Andrew Tate gets hurt because Greta says he has small dick energy, then maybe -- just maybe, with the tiniest bit of introspection -- he'll come to realize how hateful some of his language is.\nBullies like Andrew Tate don't really respond to logic or pleas for sympathy. The only way to maybe make them understand the hurt they cause is to inflict it on them, because they don't care about anyone but themselves. \nSo instead of putting the cart before the horse and blaming Greta for using an offensive phrase as an argumentative tactic, maybe blame the people who use the phrase to actually demean people.",
">\n\nCan we substitute fat instead and be justified?",
">\n\nYes people did that with Trump when he claimed to be the fittest person ever basically. If someone has a habit of insulting people a certain way or making certain claims then they open themselves up to specific insults. \nSometimes we'd find those insults not tasteful if said to other people. But I feel like most people equating this to fat insults don't actually care about fat people. A lot of people would also be like oh things are getting too pc or soft or woke when it comes to body positivity towards fat people. So for me it's hard to buy this line of reasoning as being truly valid or caring.",
">\n\nNo one said it has to be authentic caring. This sub is for exploring the intellectual arguments. Your perception of how authentic someone’s feelings towards fat people is basically irrelevant. Argue the point or don’t. Passing your authenticity test is a wierd standard to try to argue for.",
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">\n\nYes, making insults is offensive. That's the point.\nInsults that reference a body part are also offensive to people who are insecure about that body part. That's also kinda obvious.\nWhat do you want your mind changed about here? I'm unclear about what you think can be discussed about an insult meant to be insulting. Are you arguing that this insult is especially wrong in some way?\nHow is this not just you soapboxing?",
">\n\nThere's a reason as a society we don't use insults like \"retard\". This is in the same vein. You're attributing a negative thing with a man having a small penis. This is harmful as it perpetuates the stigma surrounding penis size which is outside ones control. Essentially it degrades a group of people who have nothing to do with it. OP wants to know whether or not this is reconciled. Reading the comments... It has not been. \nMaking gendered insults doesn't bother me truthfully but I can understand the frustration OP is expressing because were it to be a man making some edgy reference to a woman's lady parts being inadequate as a way to demean them then everyone would be outraged as opposed to cheering it on.",
">\n\nUsing “small dick” as an insult, or “loose pussy” isn’t really offensive unless you are insecure about the physical viability of your reproductive organs. \nBut, that doesn’t make it funny. It’s a really juvenile and uncreative way of ridiculing someone.",
">\n\nInsecure women are offended when they're fat shamed.\nIt's still body shaming.\nIt's still wrong.",
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">\n\nGuy randomly decides to flex on her by saying I HAVE CARS AND I LIKE TO GO VROOOOM. It's like when Piers decides that it's absolutely important to eat meat in front of vegans. It's not about penis size. It's just that smalldickenergy is a perfect explanation of why would someone decide to behave like this.",
">\n\nShe is 19. Maybe in a few years she will have more mature insults. It’s a lot of pressure to be put on someone so young to also say the perfect thing all the time",
">\n\nUnder nearly all circumstances, I agree with you.\nHowever, for a lot of people who have built a cult of personality around any given ideal, insults of the inoffensive type are completely commonplace. All they have to do is fend off one or two instances of this PG rated attacks, strawman them, call them snowflakes, and their following is bolstered and enhanced. Instead of having any negative effect, it becomes part of their inherent power.\nSometimes if you want to rattle a cult leader you have to hit with precision their most critical weakness and watch them implode. The fact that Tate is squirming so hard and doing everything he can to reclaim some of his dignity after Greta's clapback means that she has his number. Great isn't saying that having a small dick is bad, but knowing that Tate's entire personality is built about being an alpha male and that calling into question the size of his member will hurt him the most is what she was after. \nOf course, it wasn't classy and could be offensive to some. But as the saying goes, sometimes you have to fight fire with fire.",
">\n\nReally is he squirming? \nHe's rich he's popular and now he's gotten someone he disagrees with to repeat his ideology and platform spreading it to a wider audience. \nI'd argue he's happy for the attention and popularity that she's given to him now and enjoying the increased sales in his business as more men who feel marginalized and left out join him seeing this hypocrisy playing out. Not to mention all the political players( internationally) who were against climate action seeing all this and aligning themselves appropriately, possibly propping him up and making him something more than what he actually is- An ignorant troll. \nEngage with a troll and you only give them more power. The tweet was dumb and people should know better.\nEdit: spacing",
">\n\nI'm not commenting on whether or not his fans will like him more or if the controversy will inadvertently grant him a wider audience. \nI'm commenting that Greta knew exactly where and how to hit him the hardest. Yes, he is definitely squirming. He has scrambled out half a dozen prepubescent \"I know you are but what am I\" tweets. Then he went and made the absolute cringiest response video. He's incensed by being talked down to by Greta and is overcompensating. \nDid her tweet have any net positive effect on society? No. Did it ruffle Tate's feathers and make his blood boil? Yea. Would he have even cared if she called him a misogynistic prick? Absolutely not. He would have just told her to sit down and shut up, that misogyny is made up by inferior women blah blah blah...\nInstead, his insecurities are eating him alive.",
">\n\nWhy even respond and give him attention that he so desperately craves? And why body shame men in the process? \nIf she didn't have a better insult she could have just went on with her life instead of helping him grow. Using \"small dick energy\" as an insult means implicitly we agree that people with small penises are inferior and undesirable. That's basically what Tate is on about ( Toxic masculinity). And by laughing at her tweet we all reinforce that perception. Do you get that? \nSick of double standards and hypocrisy. At least people should have the courage to own up and acknowledge it then move on instead of doubling down and performing mental gymnastics to justify an obvious case of body shaming.\nI agree with you on one thing that the net effect on society because of this tweet exchange is negative and only serves the people who Greta and her followers hate.",
">\n\nI think you are missing what I am saying. I fully agree that it wasn't necessary nor was it the right thing for Greta to do. I also agree that it just gives him attention and was overall a useless venture other for the entertainment of Tate haters.\nOP asked why it is okay. I stated that it isn't okay but that I understand why Greta took that road rather than the suggested non-offensive approach. It is because he's immune to it. What he isn't immune to is his masculinity and ego being questioned. What is the point of the Wolf continuing to blow on the brick house? None. To get to the scared little piggies inside he needs a jackhammer. \nAnd it worked exactly how she planned it to. He was rattled and anyone who hates Tate is amused. \nNot saying it's the right thing to do, nor do I want anyone to feel ashamed of the size of their penis.",
">\n\nOk.. thanks for elaborating on that. I misunderstood your comment as a disagreement and engaged to try and change your mind but seems we share the same view.",
">\n\nYou do not know what Greta is \"fully aware\" of. She is referring to character and behaviour, why are you taking this personally? She isn't speaking to you, hasn't seen you, doesn't know you. I don't know why you are externalizing your issue like this and waving it around in public, is it our responsibility to fix this for you?\nShe was just making a tiny joke. Relax. smalldickenergy @ getalife .com is hilarious.",
">\n\nAside from everything else, it's men who started the 'big dick energy' idiocy so to then complain when someone uses their own stupidity against them...",
">\n\nYeah because men are a monolith and we all meet in a room and know each other smh.",
">\n\nThey’re saying it’s offensive to more than just Andrew Tate",
">\n\nYeah but again, ISN'T THE PURPOSE",
">\n\nWhat do you mean again? You didn’t say that before. And why does the purpose matter? You can do a bad thing without meaning to.",
">\n\nI meant to say isn't that the purpose lol mb",
">\n\nOh lol I probably should have realized that. But I think the point of the insult was to offend Andrew Tate.",
">\n\nFair. Trying to not say anything about him one way or another so I don't get downvoted to hell.",
">\n\nGreta lost that argument. She literally has like a hundred things Tate has said and done she could attack. Easy target... The one thing she chose to do is to body shame the man. It's just name calling. It's not a refutation of Tate. If anything it makes her sound stupid for her inability to come up with a refutation.",
">\n\nExactly. But people are just cheering her on and laughing along without grasping the nuance of the situation.",
">\n\nI think you are kinda missing the point. People know it offensive. The issue is that they don't care.",
">\n\nPeople used to make fun of small tits all the time. Remember the 90s? Remember the itty bitty titty committee? I don't know if that's a thing any more, but skinny women with no butts are definitely not seen as attractive. It's not fair. It's not their fault. People need to stop shaming themselves and eachother, and accept all bodies. Until then, \"small dick energy\" won't cease to be an insult. I guess the difference is people are sort of \"punching up\" since it's always been people with dicks who have the power in this world. I've never heard a dude say that another dude has \"small dick energy.\" It's always a woman saying that. Either way I think it's dumb but I get it. I've always thought \"Karen\" was a dumb insult too. Not someone's fault they were named Karen, LOL."
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Isn't it more offensive for small pp folk, that there is a guy who base his entire existence on top of an argument that being an alpha, prime male is the most important thing in the world, and you need to be a testosterone bomb gorilla to have any kind of value. Isn't that argument disregards small dick guys in the first place?
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"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult.",
">\n\nIt's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh.",
">\n\nHonestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV",
">\n\nPeople can make mistakes and this was one of them.. so we can all just criticize her reply fairly and move on. No need for acute mental gymnastics to defend her as this comments section is showing lmao.",
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">\n\nI don't think anyone is arguing it's not offensive. I'm pretty sure she was trying to offend insecure men. Apparently with great success.",
">\n\nShe was trying to offend men who were insecure about their body image?\nHow is that not body shaming?",
">\n\nIt is, but we playing the avoidance and rationalization game",
">\n\nbecause women invented \"small dick energy\"\nharsh, sad. but we go jim🗿",
">\n\nOP never mentioned women tho. Post is strictly about why it's offensive. Do you disagree that it's not offensive or you think it's a trivial matter to make fun of that men's mental health doesn't matter as much?",
">\n\nThe female equivalent is\n\"Loose Pussy Energy\".\nThe typical man-hate hypocrisy commonly going around is beyond obvious. And it is an attack on All men and boys not just some.",
">\n\nNot a disagreement per se, but also worth noting that it’s transphobic. Which is to say, it insults all men by reinforcing patriarchy and punching down to two groups of men.",
">\n\nShe said small dick energy. Not that he had a small dick (though, come on). She used that phrase BECAUSE it's Tate. She's not a moron.\nHe is, as evidenced by his life to this point and his two responses to Thunberg, which were epically pathetic, is a moron and didn't seem to get it, though he doesn't get a lot.",
">\n\nThis is worse than saying he has a small dick, because how would she know, and that would just be dismissed as stupid.\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\nI can't understand the mental gymnastics some people are doing to try and say this isn't body shaming.",
">\n\n\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\n\nI mean yeah -- kind of like how pussy is an insult denoting cowardice, cunt is an insult meaning basically, terrible, etc., \nShe used that on purpose. Are you making CMV every time you see someone calling someone else a pussy?",
">\n\nPussy is kind of already known to be a shitty gendered insult so it doesn't need a CMV. In this case, Greta's gendered \"having a small penis is bad\" tweet is massively amplified, reached r/all on a shitload of subs, etc. so some discussion about whether or not that is cool is warranted",
">\n\nSmall dick energy isn’t about having a small dick tho. It’s a reflection of an attitude that men who are offensive, aggressive, nasty to people are overcompensating for their insecurities. A small dick doesn’t mean you won’t be able to find a partner or that you’re any less of a man. Being a downright trash bag of a human to others, like in this instance where an internet edgelord is cyber bullying a teenager on the internet who is fighting for the survival of our planet/humanity is an example of this trash behavior, is more of a determining factor. \nYou can also have a small dick but have big dick energy, as it’s reflective of who you are as a person. It’s an attitude. It’s who you choose to be to yourself and others. Hell, there’s women who use the term that they have big dick energy and I can tell you those women’s dicks are none existent so therefore size isn’t a thing. \nNo one should be made fun of for something they had no control over. The worth of a man is not tied to the size of his penis. Although, toxic masculinity and shallow people will tell you different. They say the same for disabled people, fat people etc. There’s plenty of people who are not “conventional standards of beauty” which is the majority of us, that lead happy, healthy relationships. Those relationships start with yourself and understanding your worth as a person isn’t tied to what you look like or how big your junk is. \nThe point is if you choose to be a trash person like Tate, where your self worth is tied into how cruel/offensive you can be to other people, don’t be mad if people call you out for that trashy attitude. Your post definitely reeks of “men are the true victims” when clearly you didn’t seem to have a problem with a grown man cyber bullying a teenager.",
">\n\nI like how you imply that OP is a fan of a literal human trafficker because they point out that a body-shaming insult is body-shaming. Do you understand why associating a trait of someone's body with negative personality traits is bad?",
">\n\nNo because people like this always have exceptions that allow them to use the things they complain about. Cognitive gymnastics allows them to recognise shaming women and people of colour is bad, because society will eat them otherwise, but when someone shows up who deserves a bit of a roasting all of their social etiquette rules go out the window and the excuses come out as to why in this context it doesn't count.\n\"Ahh no, here it is a reflection of an attitude\" blah blah 3 paragraphs later and we've clouded over the simple fact that body shaming is body shaming and harms people you weren't intending to insult.",
">\n\nPeople like this? You’re assuming things about me because I am a character in your mind not a real person. I am not a monolith. We should not be body shaming people. I am explaining the other side of this issue and why people use these terms. You never asked if I use these same terms in my life. You assumed I do. I don’t. You didn’t even bother to read my response because if you did you would have realized this.",
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">\n\nYou can have smol pp but big pp energy and vice versa",
">\n\nSo why is the phrase small dick energy if it has nothing to do with having a small dick?",
">\n\nIdk man, I just work here.",
">\n\nYou know why. Lol cause small dick is associated with bad. And by insulting dicks you use this knowledge to offend, at the cost of body shaming people. \nStop feigning dumb just to avoid the reasoning lol",
">\n\nI can see how it would be offensive, and I wouldn’t use it myself. I feel like the phrase refers more to how someone acts as opposed to how they are endowed. And how it’s behavior and actions that make people think down of you not your penis.",
">\n\nPoint is that we, as a society, should encourage better insults that attack the comments of the person without necessarily having to equate it to something someone with a small dick.",
">\n\nWould you agree with me, that if Andrew clapped back with one of those that the internet would be up in arms about it?",
">\n\nYou mean the way that you are, here, on the internet, up in arms?",
">\n\nIm one person on reddit, theres no major backlash like there would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\nSee, what's happening here is that you are also looking at people who are \"one person on Reddit\" and pretending it's a major backlash. Andrew Tate says fucked up things about women all the time (in fact, it's kind of his whole schtick) and it's as much of a non-event as this is.",
">\n\nPlease link me to something fucked up hes said about women, and ill agree with you, two wrongs don't make a right.",
">\n\nHere's exhibit A.",
">\n\nSure I agree with you he has said fucked up stuff about women, it doesn't mean its okay to make a joke about small dick energy.\nDo you understand my point?",
">\n\nWe understand, it's just that your point is fucking stupid",
">\n\nYou have no idea what his point is, it's funny that people on this thread OP and others actually like Andrew Tate.\nIt proves that everyone is completely frothingly tribalistic with zero nuance.",
">\n\nIf someone is behaving insufferably, people are going to laugh at them for things that they wouldn’t find funny if it happened to someone they liked.\nFor example, is it funny when people go bankrupt? No. Would it be funny if someone like Andrew Tate went bankrupt after boasting about Bugattis and all of his mass wealth? Yes. This doesn’t mean people who would make fun of him for that are making fun of poverty or all people who lose their livelihoods, it would just be funny if it happened to that particular person. \nIn the same way, the idea that Tate does all the douchey, over the top macho things that he does in order to compensate for having a small penis is funny, whilst it not being funny to make fun of every person who has a small penis.",
">\n\nSubstitute fat. Is that ok?",
">\n\nDepends on what the fat person is doing. If the person is minding their own business then no, if the fat person is attacking other people’s appearances then yeah go for it.",
">\n\nInteresting take. Might want to play with that a bit. A lot of situations where your reasoning falls apart.",
">\n\nPeople insulted Trump for being fat when he tried to say he was like the most fit person ever. People make fun of Elon Musk's body. You can make the same type of insult to two different people and it come off two different ways. \nWhen you make your identity or argument around something it opens up certain insults and comebacks. \nTate's whole thing is trying to act like this \"alpha male\" when in reality he's a sex trafficking weirdo who pays women to hang out with him. It's totally fine to insult him with a childish insult. \nI also find that people worried or mad about this don't actually care about body image issues. They just want a gotcha moment for people. Because many would have shitty takes about fat people or whine about pc culture.",
">\n\nWhen you call some MF that doesn't necessarily mean you are a MF... I'm not saying it's okay to say abusing words but we still do use them.\nI don't think she said it in literal terms, it was completely literary. Also she only said it cause it was Tate who she said it to. Also if a woman has small tits and someone said to someone else that they have small tits energy, I don't think one who actually has small tits would mind it, cause she is not involved and it's kinda perfect way of irritating Tate.. cause he really cares about these things. \nWhen it comes to increasing the insecurity of someone who actually has small D and is insecure about it... She couldn't think so far cause all she wanted was to irritate Tate and she was successful",
">\n\nI don't think it even irritated him if that was her goal but definitely helped him with popularity. It just proves what he says people think of insecure men, it just moves them to him and he gains more influence. It was an ignorant reply in poor taste. Someone with much following and influence as Greta shouldn't be as irresponsible and the followers shouldn't be having to do mental gymnastics to defend her instead of seeing it as it is: body shaming against men.",
">\n\nIs this some kind of weird meta-game? Are Andrew Tate fans pretending to actually be offended by this stupid insult to prove a point? Does anybody actually think her retort was any sharper than a brick wrapped in a wet blanket?\nWhat is going on here?!",
">\n\n\nWhat is going on here?!\n\nAndrew Tate fans have a lot of small dick energy. That's whats going on.",
">\n\nWhy are people not allowed dislike tate (he's an absolute idiot and a grifter) and also to criticize obvious body shaming from a supposed progressive? If Biden started talking about \"N*gger energy\" criticizing Kanye for antisemitism, would that be ok in your eyes? Would you say that a black guy who doesn't like that must be an angry Kanye fan? Or is it disgustingly offensive towards all African Americans to use that type of language no matter what?",
">\n\nBecause it suits their narrative to frame it as if people are just defending tate. It's easier than just actually defending body shaming. Done deal.",
">\n\nI think Greta used that phrase not because she actually believes or wants to promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior, but because people like Andrew Tate believe and promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior. If Andrew Tate gets hurt because Greta says he has small dick energy, then maybe -- just maybe, with the tiniest bit of introspection -- he'll come to realize how hateful some of his language is.\nBullies like Andrew Tate don't really respond to logic or pleas for sympathy. The only way to maybe make them understand the hurt they cause is to inflict it on them, because they don't care about anyone but themselves. \nSo instead of putting the cart before the horse and blaming Greta for using an offensive phrase as an argumentative tactic, maybe blame the people who use the phrase to actually demean people.",
">\n\nCan we substitute fat instead and be justified?",
">\n\nYes people did that with Trump when he claimed to be the fittest person ever basically. If someone has a habit of insulting people a certain way or making certain claims then they open themselves up to specific insults. \nSometimes we'd find those insults not tasteful if said to other people. But I feel like most people equating this to fat insults don't actually care about fat people. A lot of people would also be like oh things are getting too pc or soft or woke when it comes to body positivity towards fat people. So for me it's hard to buy this line of reasoning as being truly valid or caring.",
">\n\nNo one said it has to be authentic caring. This sub is for exploring the intellectual arguments. Your perception of how authentic someone’s feelings towards fat people is basically irrelevant. Argue the point or don’t. Passing your authenticity test is a wierd standard to try to argue for.",
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">\n\nYes, making insults is offensive. That's the point.\nInsults that reference a body part are also offensive to people who are insecure about that body part. That's also kinda obvious.\nWhat do you want your mind changed about here? I'm unclear about what you think can be discussed about an insult meant to be insulting. Are you arguing that this insult is especially wrong in some way?\nHow is this not just you soapboxing?",
">\n\nThere's a reason as a society we don't use insults like \"retard\". This is in the same vein. You're attributing a negative thing with a man having a small penis. This is harmful as it perpetuates the stigma surrounding penis size which is outside ones control. Essentially it degrades a group of people who have nothing to do with it. OP wants to know whether or not this is reconciled. Reading the comments... It has not been. \nMaking gendered insults doesn't bother me truthfully but I can understand the frustration OP is expressing because were it to be a man making some edgy reference to a woman's lady parts being inadequate as a way to demean them then everyone would be outraged as opposed to cheering it on.",
">\n\nUsing “small dick” as an insult, or “loose pussy” isn’t really offensive unless you are insecure about the physical viability of your reproductive organs. \nBut, that doesn’t make it funny. It’s a really juvenile and uncreative way of ridiculing someone.",
">\n\nInsecure women are offended when they're fat shamed.\nIt's still body shaming.\nIt's still wrong.",
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">\n\nGuy randomly decides to flex on her by saying I HAVE CARS AND I LIKE TO GO VROOOOM. It's like when Piers decides that it's absolutely important to eat meat in front of vegans. It's not about penis size. It's just that smalldickenergy is a perfect explanation of why would someone decide to behave like this.",
">\n\nShe is 19. Maybe in a few years she will have more mature insults. It’s a lot of pressure to be put on someone so young to also say the perfect thing all the time",
">\n\nUnder nearly all circumstances, I agree with you.\nHowever, for a lot of people who have built a cult of personality around any given ideal, insults of the inoffensive type are completely commonplace. All they have to do is fend off one or two instances of this PG rated attacks, strawman them, call them snowflakes, and their following is bolstered and enhanced. Instead of having any negative effect, it becomes part of their inherent power.\nSometimes if you want to rattle a cult leader you have to hit with precision their most critical weakness and watch them implode. The fact that Tate is squirming so hard and doing everything he can to reclaim some of his dignity after Greta's clapback means that she has his number. Great isn't saying that having a small dick is bad, but knowing that Tate's entire personality is built about being an alpha male and that calling into question the size of his member will hurt him the most is what she was after. \nOf course, it wasn't classy and could be offensive to some. But as the saying goes, sometimes you have to fight fire with fire.",
">\n\nReally is he squirming? \nHe's rich he's popular and now he's gotten someone he disagrees with to repeat his ideology and platform spreading it to a wider audience. \nI'd argue he's happy for the attention and popularity that she's given to him now and enjoying the increased sales in his business as more men who feel marginalized and left out join him seeing this hypocrisy playing out. Not to mention all the political players( internationally) who were against climate action seeing all this and aligning themselves appropriately, possibly propping him up and making him something more than what he actually is- An ignorant troll. \nEngage with a troll and you only give them more power. The tweet was dumb and people should know better.\nEdit: spacing",
">\n\nI'm not commenting on whether or not his fans will like him more or if the controversy will inadvertently grant him a wider audience. \nI'm commenting that Greta knew exactly where and how to hit him the hardest. Yes, he is definitely squirming. He has scrambled out half a dozen prepubescent \"I know you are but what am I\" tweets. Then he went and made the absolute cringiest response video. He's incensed by being talked down to by Greta and is overcompensating. \nDid her tweet have any net positive effect on society? No. Did it ruffle Tate's feathers and make his blood boil? Yea. Would he have even cared if she called him a misogynistic prick? Absolutely not. He would have just told her to sit down and shut up, that misogyny is made up by inferior women blah blah blah...\nInstead, his insecurities are eating him alive.",
">\n\nWhy even respond and give him attention that he so desperately craves? And why body shame men in the process? \nIf she didn't have a better insult she could have just went on with her life instead of helping him grow. Using \"small dick energy\" as an insult means implicitly we agree that people with small penises are inferior and undesirable. That's basically what Tate is on about ( Toxic masculinity). And by laughing at her tweet we all reinforce that perception. Do you get that? \nSick of double standards and hypocrisy. At least people should have the courage to own up and acknowledge it then move on instead of doubling down and performing mental gymnastics to justify an obvious case of body shaming.\nI agree with you on one thing that the net effect on society because of this tweet exchange is negative and only serves the people who Greta and her followers hate.",
">\n\nI think you are missing what I am saying. I fully agree that it wasn't necessary nor was it the right thing for Greta to do. I also agree that it just gives him attention and was overall a useless venture other for the entertainment of Tate haters.\nOP asked why it is okay. I stated that it isn't okay but that I understand why Greta took that road rather than the suggested non-offensive approach. It is because he's immune to it. What he isn't immune to is his masculinity and ego being questioned. What is the point of the Wolf continuing to blow on the brick house? None. To get to the scared little piggies inside he needs a jackhammer. \nAnd it worked exactly how she planned it to. He was rattled and anyone who hates Tate is amused. \nNot saying it's the right thing to do, nor do I want anyone to feel ashamed of the size of their penis.",
">\n\nOk.. thanks for elaborating on that. I misunderstood your comment as a disagreement and engaged to try and change your mind but seems we share the same view.",
">\n\nYou do not know what Greta is \"fully aware\" of. She is referring to character and behaviour, why are you taking this personally? She isn't speaking to you, hasn't seen you, doesn't know you. I don't know why you are externalizing your issue like this and waving it around in public, is it our responsibility to fix this for you?\nShe was just making a tiny joke. Relax. smalldickenergy @ getalife .com is hilarious.",
">\n\nAside from everything else, it's men who started the 'big dick energy' idiocy so to then complain when someone uses their own stupidity against them...",
">\n\nYeah because men are a monolith and we all meet in a room and know each other smh.",
">\n\nThey’re saying it’s offensive to more than just Andrew Tate",
">\n\nYeah but again, ISN'T THE PURPOSE",
">\n\nWhat do you mean again? You didn’t say that before. And why does the purpose matter? You can do a bad thing without meaning to.",
">\n\nI meant to say isn't that the purpose lol mb",
">\n\nOh lol I probably should have realized that. But I think the point of the insult was to offend Andrew Tate.",
">\n\nFair. Trying to not say anything about him one way or another so I don't get downvoted to hell.",
">\n\nGreta lost that argument. She literally has like a hundred things Tate has said and done she could attack. Easy target... The one thing she chose to do is to body shame the man. It's just name calling. It's not a refutation of Tate. If anything it makes her sound stupid for her inability to come up with a refutation.",
">\n\nExactly. But people are just cheering her on and laughing along without grasping the nuance of the situation.",
">\n\nI think you are kinda missing the point. People know it offensive. The issue is that they don't care.",
">\n\nPeople used to make fun of small tits all the time. Remember the 90s? Remember the itty bitty titty committee? I don't know if that's a thing any more, but skinny women with no butts are definitely not seen as attractive. It's not fair. It's not their fault. People need to stop shaming themselves and eachother, and accept all bodies. Until then, \"small dick energy\" won't cease to be an insult. I guess the difference is people are sort of \"punching up\" since it's always been people with dicks who have the power in this world. I've never heard a dude say that another dude has \"small dick energy.\" It's always a woman saying that. Either way I think it's dumb but I get it. I've always thought \"Karen\" was a dumb insult too. Not someone's fault they were named Karen, LOL.",
">\n\nAndrew insulted her. He was asking for this insult. She was totally in the right. She wasn’t trying to shame anyone else. You’re asking for this insult too."
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And Greta just reinforced it with her reply. Do you see the problem now?
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"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult.",
">\n\nIt's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh.",
">\n\nHonestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV",
">\n\nPeople can make mistakes and this was one of them.. so we can all just criticize her reply fairly and move on. No need for acute mental gymnastics to defend her as this comments section is showing lmao.",
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">\n\nI don't think anyone is arguing it's not offensive. I'm pretty sure she was trying to offend insecure men. Apparently with great success.",
">\n\nShe was trying to offend men who were insecure about their body image?\nHow is that not body shaming?",
">\n\nIt is, but we playing the avoidance and rationalization game",
">\n\nbecause women invented \"small dick energy\"\nharsh, sad. but we go jim🗿",
">\n\nOP never mentioned women tho. Post is strictly about why it's offensive. Do you disagree that it's not offensive or you think it's a trivial matter to make fun of that men's mental health doesn't matter as much?",
">\n\nThe female equivalent is\n\"Loose Pussy Energy\".\nThe typical man-hate hypocrisy commonly going around is beyond obvious. And it is an attack on All men and boys not just some.",
">\n\nNot a disagreement per se, but also worth noting that it’s transphobic. Which is to say, it insults all men by reinforcing patriarchy and punching down to two groups of men.",
">\n\nShe said small dick energy. Not that he had a small dick (though, come on). She used that phrase BECAUSE it's Tate. She's not a moron.\nHe is, as evidenced by his life to this point and his two responses to Thunberg, which were epically pathetic, is a moron and didn't seem to get it, though he doesn't get a lot.",
">\n\nThis is worse than saying he has a small dick, because how would she know, and that would just be dismissed as stupid.\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\nI can't understand the mental gymnastics some people are doing to try and say this isn't body shaming.",
">\n\n\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\n\nI mean yeah -- kind of like how pussy is an insult denoting cowardice, cunt is an insult meaning basically, terrible, etc., \nShe used that on purpose. Are you making CMV every time you see someone calling someone else a pussy?",
">\n\nPussy is kind of already known to be a shitty gendered insult so it doesn't need a CMV. In this case, Greta's gendered \"having a small penis is bad\" tweet is massively amplified, reached r/all on a shitload of subs, etc. so some discussion about whether or not that is cool is warranted",
">\n\nSmall dick energy isn’t about having a small dick tho. It’s a reflection of an attitude that men who are offensive, aggressive, nasty to people are overcompensating for their insecurities. A small dick doesn’t mean you won’t be able to find a partner or that you’re any less of a man. Being a downright trash bag of a human to others, like in this instance where an internet edgelord is cyber bullying a teenager on the internet who is fighting for the survival of our planet/humanity is an example of this trash behavior, is more of a determining factor. \nYou can also have a small dick but have big dick energy, as it’s reflective of who you are as a person. It’s an attitude. It’s who you choose to be to yourself and others. Hell, there’s women who use the term that they have big dick energy and I can tell you those women’s dicks are none existent so therefore size isn’t a thing. \nNo one should be made fun of for something they had no control over. The worth of a man is not tied to the size of his penis. Although, toxic masculinity and shallow people will tell you different. They say the same for disabled people, fat people etc. There’s plenty of people who are not “conventional standards of beauty” which is the majority of us, that lead happy, healthy relationships. Those relationships start with yourself and understanding your worth as a person isn’t tied to what you look like or how big your junk is. \nThe point is if you choose to be a trash person like Tate, where your self worth is tied into how cruel/offensive you can be to other people, don’t be mad if people call you out for that trashy attitude. Your post definitely reeks of “men are the true victims” when clearly you didn’t seem to have a problem with a grown man cyber bullying a teenager.",
">\n\nI like how you imply that OP is a fan of a literal human trafficker because they point out that a body-shaming insult is body-shaming. Do you understand why associating a trait of someone's body with negative personality traits is bad?",
">\n\nNo because people like this always have exceptions that allow them to use the things they complain about. Cognitive gymnastics allows them to recognise shaming women and people of colour is bad, because society will eat them otherwise, but when someone shows up who deserves a bit of a roasting all of their social etiquette rules go out the window and the excuses come out as to why in this context it doesn't count.\n\"Ahh no, here it is a reflection of an attitude\" blah blah 3 paragraphs later and we've clouded over the simple fact that body shaming is body shaming and harms people you weren't intending to insult.",
">\n\nPeople like this? You’re assuming things about me because I am a character in your mind not a real person. I am not a monolith. We should not be body shaming people. I am explaining the other side of this issue and why people use these terms. You never asked if I use these same terms in my life. You assumed I do. I don’t. You didn’t even bother to read my response because if you did you would have realized this.",
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">\n\nYou can have smol pp but big pp energy and vice versa",
">\n\nSo why is the phrase small dick energy if it has nothing to do with having a small dick?",
">\n\nIdk man, I just work here.",
">\n\nYou know why. Lol cause small dick is associated with bad. And by insulting dicks you use this knowledge to offend, at the cost of body shaming people. \nStop feigning dumb just to avoid the reasoning lol",
">\n\nI can see how it would be offensive, and I wouldn’t use it myself. I feel like the phrase refers more to how someone acts as opposed to how they are endowed. And how it’s behavior and actions that make people think down of you not your penis.",
">\n\nPoint is that we, as a society, should encourage better insults that attack the comments of the person without necessarily having to equate it to something someone with a small dick.",
">\n\nWould you agree with me, that if Andrew clapped back with one of those that the internet would be up in arms about it?",
">\n\nYou mean the way that you are, here, on the internet, up in arms?",
">\n\nIm one person on reddit, theres no major backlash like there would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\nSee, what's happening here is that you are also looking at people who are \"one person on Reddit\" and pretending it's a major backlash. Andrew Tate says fucked up things about women all the time (in fact, it's kind of his whole schtick) and it's as much of a non-event as this is.",
">\n\nPlease link me to something fucked up hes said about women, and ill agree with you, two wrongs don't make a right.",
">\n\nHere's exhibit A.",
">\n\nSure I agree with you he has said fucked up stuff about women, it doesn't mean its okay to make a joke about small dick energy.\nDo you understand my point?",
">\n\nWe understand, it's just that your point is fucking stupid",
">\n\nYou have no idea what his point is, it's funny that people on this thread OP and others actually like Andrew Tate.\nIt proves that everyone is completely frothingly tribalistic with zero nuance.",
">\n\nIf someone is behaving insufferably, people are going to laugh at them for things that they wouldn’t find funny if it happened to someone they liked.\nFor example, is it funny when people go bankrupt? No. Would it be funny if someone like Andrew Tate went bankrupt after boasting about Bugattis and all of his mass wealth? Yes. This doesn’t mean people who would make fun of him for that are making fun of poverty or all people who lose their livelihoods, it would just be funny if it happened to that particular person. \nIn the same way, the idea that Tate does all the douchey, over the top macho things that he does in order to compensate for having a small penis is funny, whilst it not being funny to make fun of every person who has a small penis.",
">\n\nSubstitute fat. Is that ok?",
">\n\nDepends on what the fat person is doing. If the person is minding their own business then no, if the fat person is attacking other people’s appearances then yeah go for it.",
">\n\nInteresting take. Might want to play with that a bit. A lot of situations where your reasoning falls apart.",
">\n\nPeople insulted Trump for being fat when he tried to say he was like the most fit person ever. People make fun of Elon Musk's body. You can make the same type of insult to two different people and it come off two different ways. \nWhen you make your identity or argument around something it opens up certain insults and comebacks. \nTate's whole thing is trying to act like this \"alpha male\" when in reality he's a sex trafficking weirdo who pays women to hang out with him. It's totally fine to insult him with a childish insult. \nI also find that people worried or mad about this don't actually care about body image issues. They just want a gotcha moment for people. Because many would have shitty takes about fat people or whine about pc culture.",
">\n\nWhen you call some MF that doesn't necessarily mean you are a MF... I'm not saying it's okay to say abusing words but we still do use them.\nI don't think she said it in literal terms, it was completely literary. Also she only said it cause it was Tate who she said it to. Also if a woman has small tits and someone said to someone else that they have small tits energy, I don't think one who actually has small tits would mind it, cause she is not involved and it's kinda perfect way of irritating Tate.. cause he really cares about these things. \nWhen it comes to increasing the insecurity of someone who actually has small D and is insecure about it... She couldn't think so far cause all she wanted was to irritate Tate and she was successful",
">\n\nI don't think it even irritated him if that was her goal but definitely helped him with popularity. It just proves what he says people think of insecure men, it just moves them to him and he gains more influence. It was an ignorant reply in poor taste. Someone with much following and influence as Greta shouldn't be as irresponsible and the followers shouldn't be having to do mental gymnastics to defend her instead of seeing it as it is: body shaming against men.",
">\n\nIs this some kind of weird meta-game? Are Andrew Tate fans pretending to actually be offended by this stupid insult to prove a point? Does anybody actually think her retort was any sharper than a brick wrapped in a wet blanket?\nWhat is going on here?!",
">\n\n\nWhat is going on here?!\n\nAndrew Tate fans have a lot of small dick energy. That's whats going on.",
">\n\nWhy are people not allowed dislike tate (he's an absolute idiot and a grifter) and also to criticize obvious body shaming from a supposed progressive? If Biden started talking about \"N*gger energy\" criticizing Kanye for antisemitism, would that be ok in your eyes? Would you say that a black guy who doesn't like that must be an angry Kanye fan? Or is it disgustingly offensive towards all African Americans to use that type of language no matter what?",
">\n\nBecause it suits their narrative to frame it as if people are just defending tate. It's easier than just actually defending body shaming. Done deal.",
">\n\nI think Greta used that phrase not because she actually believes or wants to promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior, but because people like Andrew Tate believe and promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior. If Andrew Tate gets hurt because Greta says he has small dick energy, then maybe -- just maybe, with the tiniest bit of introspection -- he'll come to realize how hateful some of his language is.\nBullies like Andrew Tate don't really respond to logic or pleas for sympathy. The only way to maybe make them understand the hurt they cause is to inflict it on them, because they don't care about anyone but themselves. \nSo instead of putting the cart before the horse and blaming Greta for using an offensive phrase as an argumentative tactic, maybe blame the people who use the phrase to actually demean people.",
">\n\nCan we substitute fat instead and be justified?",
">\n\nYes people did that with Trump when he claimed to be the fittest person ever basically. If someone has a habit of insulting people a certain way or making certain claims then they open themselves up to specific insults. \nSometimes we'd find those insults not tasteful if said to other people. But I feel like most people equating this to fat insults don't actually care about fat people. A lot of people would also be like oh things are getting too pc or soft or woke when it comes to body positivity towards fat people. So for me it's hard to buy this line of reasoning as being truly valid or caring.",
">\n\nNo one said it has to be authentic caring. This sub is for exploring the intellectual arguments. Your perception of how authentic someone’s feelings towards fat people is basically irrelevant. Argue the point or don’t. Passing your authenticity test is a wierd standard to try to argue for.",
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">\n\nYes, making insults is offensive. That's the point.\nInsults that reference a body part are also offensive to people who are insecure about that body part. That's also kinda obvious.\nWhat do you want your mind changed about here? I'm unclear about what you think can be discussed about an insult meant to be insulting. Are you arguing that this insult is especially wrong in some way?\nHow is this not just you soapboxing?",
">\n\nThere's a reason as a society we don't use insults like \"retard\". This is in the same vein. You're attributing a negative thing with a man having a small penis. This is harmful as it perpetuates the stigma surrounding penis size which is outside ones control. Essentially it degrades a group of people who have nothing to do with it. OP wants to know whether or not this is reconciled. Reading the comments... It has not been. \nMaking gendered insults doesn't bother me truthfully but I can understand the frustration OP is expressing because were it to be a man making some edgy reference to a woman's lady parts being inadequate as a way to demean them then everyone would be outraged as opposed to cheering it on.",
">\n\nUsing “small dick” as an insult, or “loose pussy” isn’t really offensive unless you are insecure about the physical viability of your reproductive organs. \nBut, that doesn’t make it funny. It’s a really juvenile and uncreative way of ridiculing someone.",
">\n\nInsecure women are offended when they're fat shamed.\nIt's still body shaming.\nIt's still wrong.",
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">\n\nGuy randomly decides to flex on her by saying I HAVE CARS AND I LIKE TO GO VROOOOM. It's like when Piers decides that it's absolutely important to eat meat in front of vegans. It's not about penis size. It's just that smalldickenergy is a perfect explanation of why would someone decide to behave like this.",
">\n\nShe is 19. Maybe in a few years she will have more mature insults. It’s a lot of pressure to be put on someone so young to also say the perfect thing all the time",
">\n\nUnder nearly all circumstances, I agree with you.\nHowever, for a lot of people who have built a cult of personality around any given ideal, insults of the inoffensive type are completely commonplace. All they have to do is fend off one or two instances of this PG rated attacks, strawman them, call them snowflakes, and their following is bolstered and enhanced. Instead of having any negative effect, it becomes part of their inherent power.\nSometimes if you want to rattle a cult leader you have to hit with precision their most critical weakness and watch them implode. The fact that Tate is squirming so hard and doing everything he can to reclaim some of his dignity after Greta's clapback means that she has his number. Great isn't saying that having a small dick is bad, but knowing that Tate's entire personality is built about being an alpha male and that calling into question the size of his member will hurt him the most is what she was after. \nOf course, it wasn't classy and could be offensive to some. But as the saying goes, sometimes you have to fight fire with fire.",
">\n\nReally is he squirming? \nHe's rich he's popular and now he's gotten someone he disagrees with to repeat his ideology and platform spreading it to a wider audience. \nI'd argue he's happy for the attention and popularity that she's given to him now and enjoying the increased sales in his business as more men who feel marginalized and left out join him seeing this hypocrisy playing out. Not to mention all the political players( internationally) who were against climate action seeing all this and aligning themselves appropriately, possibly propping him up and making him something more than what he actually is- An ignorant troll. \nEngage with a troll and you only give them more power. The tweet was dumb and people should know better.\nEdit: spacing",
">\n\nI'm not commenting on whether or not his fans will like him more or if the controversy will inadvertently grant him a wider audience. \nI'm commenting that Greta knew exactly where and how to hit him the hardest. Yes, he is definitely squirming. He has scrambled out half a dozen prepubescent \"I know you are but what am I\" tweets. Then he went and made the absolute cringiest response video. He's incensed by being talked down to by Greta and is overcompensating. \nDid her tweet have any net positive effect on society? No. Did it ruffle Tate's feathers and make his blood boil? Yea. Would he have even cared if she called him a misogynistic prick? Absolutely not. He would have just told her to sit down and shut up, that misogyny is made up by inferior women blah blah blah...\nInstead, his insecurities are eating him alive.",
">\n\nWhy even respond and give him attention that he so desperately craves? And why body shame men in the process? \nIf she didn't have a better insult she could have just went on with her life instead of helping him grow. Using \"small dick energy\" as an insult means implicitly we agree that people with small penises are inferior and undesirable. That's basically what Tate is on about ( Toxic masculinity). And by laughing at her tweet we all reinforce that perception. Do you get that? \nSick of double standards and hypocrisy. At least people should have the courage to own up and acknowledge it then move on instead of doubling down and performing mental gymnastics to justify an obvious case of body shaming.\nI agree with you on one thing that the net effect on society because of this tweet exchange is negative and only serves the people who Greta and her followers hate.",
">\n\nI think you are missing what I am saying. I fully agree that it wasn't necessary nor was it the right thing for Greta to do. I also agree that it just gives him attention and was overall a useless venture other for the entertainment of Tate haters.\nOP asked why it is okay. I stated that it isn't okay but that I understand why Greta took that road rather than the suggested non-offensive approach. It is because he's immune to it. What he isn't immune to is his masculinity and ego being questioned. What is the point of the Wolf continuing to blow on the brick house? None. To get to the scared little piggies inside he needs a jackhammer. \nAnd it worked exactly how she planned it to. He was rattled and anyone who hates Tate is amused. \nNot saying it's the right thing to do, nor do I want anyone to feel ashamed of the size of their penis.",
">\n\nOk.. thanks for elaborating on that. I misunderstood your comment as a disagreement and engaged to try and change your mind but seems we share the same view.",
">\n\nYou do not know what Greta is \"fully aware\" of. She is referring to character and behaviour, why are you taking this personally? She isn't speaking to you, hasn't seen you, doesn't know you. I don't know why you are externalizing your issue like this and waving it around in public, is it our responsibility to fix this for you?\nShe was just making a tiny joke. Relax. smalldickenergy @ getalife .com is hilarious.",
">\n\nAside from everything else, it's men who started the 'big dick energy' idiocy so to then complain when someone uses their own stupidity against them...",
">\n\nYeah because men are a monolith and we all meet in a room and know each other smh.",
">\n\nThey’re saying it’s offensive to more than just Andrew Tate",
">\n\nYeah but again, ISN'T THE PURPOSE",
">\n\nWhat do you mean again? You didn’t say that before. And why does the purpose matter? You can do a bad thing without meaning to.",
">\n\nI meant to say isn't that the purpose lol mb",
">\n\nOh lol I probably should have realized that. But I think the point of the insult was to offend Andrew Tate.",
">\n\nFair. Trying to not say anything about him one way or another so I don't get downvoted to hell.",
">\n\nGreta lost that argument. She literally has like a hundred things Tate has said and done she could attack. Easy target... The one thing she chose to do is to body shame the man. It's just name calling. It's not a refutation of Tate. If anything it makes her sound stupid for her inability to come up with a refutation.",
">\n\nExactly. But people are just cheering her on and laughing along without grasping the nuance of the situation.",
">\n\nI think you are kinda missing the point. People know it offensive. The issue is that they don't care.",
">\n\nPeople used to make fun of small tits all the time. Remember the 90s? Remember the itty bitty titty committee? I don't know if that's a thing any more, but skinny women with no butts are definitely not seen as attractive. It's not fair. It's not their fault. People need to stop shaming themselves and eachother, and accept all bodies. Until then, \"small dick energy\" won't cease to be an insult. I guess the difference is people are sort of \"punching up\" since it's always been people with dicks who have the power in this world. I've never heard a dude say that another dude has \"small dick energy.\" It's always a woman saying that. Either way I think it's dumb but I get it. I've always thought \"Karen\" was a dumb insult too. Not someone's fault they were named Karen, LOL.",
">\n\nAndrew insulted her. He was asking for this insult. She was totally in the right. She wasn’t trying to shame anyone else. You’re asking for this insult too.",
">\n\nIsn't it more offensive for small pp folk, that there is a guy who base his entire existence on top of an argument that being an alpha, prime male is the most important thing in the world, and you need to be a testosterone bomb gorilla to have any kind of value. Isn't that argument disregards small dick guys in the first place?"
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"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult.",
">\n\nIt's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh.",
">\n\nHonestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV",
">\n\nPeople can make mistakes and this was one of them.. so we can all just criticize her reply fairly and move on. No need for acute mental gymnastics to defend her as this comments section is showing lmao.",
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">\n\nI don't think anyone is arguing it's not offensive. I'm pretty sure she was trying to offend insecure men. Apparently with great success.",
">\n\nShe was trying to offend men who were insecure about their body image?\nHow is that not body shaming?",
">\n\nIt is, but we playing the avoidance and rationalization game",
">\n\nbecause women invented \"small dick energy\"\nharsh, sad. but we go jim🗿",
">\n\nOP never mentioned women tho. Post is strictly about why it's offensive. Do you disagree that it's not offensive or you think it's a trivial matter to make fun of that men's mental health doesn't matter as much?",
">\n\nThe female equivalent is\n\"Loose Pussy Energy\".\nThe typical man-hate hypocrisy commonly going around is beyond obvious. And it is an attack on All men and boys not just some.",
">\n\nNot a disagreement per se, but also worth noting that it’s transphobic. Which is to say, it insults all men by reinforcing patriarchy and punching down to two groups of men.",
">\n\nShe said small dick energy. Not that he had a small dick (though, come on). She used that phrase BECAUSE it's Tate. She's not a moron.\nHe is, as evidenced by his life to this point and his two responses to Thunberg, which were epically pathetic, is a moron and didn't seem to get it, though he doesn't get a lot.",
">\n\nThis is worse than saying he has a small dick, because how would she know, and that would just be dismissed as stupid.\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\nI can't understand the mental gymnastics some people are doing to try and say this isn't body shaming.",
">\n\n\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\n\nI mean yeah -- kind of like how pussy is an insult denoting cowardice, cunt is an insult meaning basically, terrible, etc., \nShe used that on purpose. Are you making CMV every time you see someone calling someone else a pussy?",
">\n\nPussy is kind of already known to be a shitty gendered insult so it doesn't need a CMV. In this case, Greta's gendered \"having a small penis is bad\" tweet is massively amplified, reached r/all on a shitload of subs, etc. so some discussion about whether or not that is cool is warranted",
">\n\nSmall dick energy isn’t about having a small dick tho. It’s a reflection of an attitude that men who are offensive, aggressive, nasty to people are overcompensating for their insecurities. A small dick doesn’t mean you won’t be able to find a partner or that you’re any less of a man. Being a downright trash bag of a human to others, like in this instance where an internet edgelord is cyber bullying a teenager on the internet who is fighting for the survival of our planet/humanity is an example of this trash behavior, is more of a determining factor. \nYou can also have a small dick but have big dick energy, as it’s reflective of who you are as a person. It’s an attitude. It’s who you choose to be to yourself and others. Hell, there’s women who use the term that they have big dick energy and I can tell you those women’s dicks are none existent so therefore size isn’t a thing. \nNo one should be made fun of for something they had no control over. The worth of a man is not tied to the size of his penis. Although, toxic masculinity and shallow people will tell you different. They say the same for disabled people, fat people etc. There’s plenty of people who are not “conventional standards of beauty” which is the majority of us, that lead happy, healthy relationships. Those relationships start with yourself and understanding your worth as a person isn’t tied to what you look like or how big your junk is. \nThe point is if you choose to be a trash person like Tate, where your self worth is tied into how cruel/offensive you can be to other people, don’t be mad if people call you out for that trashy attitude. Your post definitely reeks of “men are the true victims” when clearly you didn’t seem to have a problem with a grown man cyber bullying a teenager.",
">\n\nI like how you imply that OP is a fan of a literal human trafficker because they point out that a body-shaming insult is body-shaming. Do you understand why associating a trait of someone's body with negative personality traits is bad?",
">\n\nNo because people like this always have exceptions that allow them to use the things they complain about. Cognitive gymnastics allows them to recognise shaming women and people of colour is bad, because society will eat them otherwise, but when someone shows up who deserves a bit of a roasting all of their social etiquette rules go out the window and the excuses come out as to why in this context it doesn't count.\n\"Ahh no, here it is a reflection of an attitude\" blah blah 3 paragraphs later and we've clouded over the simple fact that body shaming is body shaming and harms people you weren't intending to insult.",
">\n\nPeople like this? You’re assuming things about me because I am a character in your mind not a real person. I am not a monolith. We should not be body shaming people. I am explaining the other side of this issue and why people use these terms. You never asked if I use these same terms in my life. You assumed I do. I don’t. You didn’t even bother to read my response because if you did you would have realized this.",
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">\n\nYou can have smol pp but big pp energy and vice versa",
">\n\nSo why is the phrase small dick energy if it has nothing to do with having a small dick?",
">\n\nIdk man, I just work here.",
">\n\nYou know why. Lol cause small dick is associated with bad. And by insulting dicks you use this knowledge to offend, at the cost of body shaming people. \nStop feigning dumb just to avoid the reasoning lol",
">\n\nI can see how it would be offensive, and I wouldn’t use it myself. I feel like the phrase refers more to how someone acts as opposed to how they are endowed. And how it’s behavior and actions that make people think down of you not your penis.",
">\n\nPoint is that we, as a society, should encourage better insults that attack the comments of the person without necessarily having to equate it to something someone with a small dick.",
">\n\nWould you agree with me, that if Andrew clapped back with one of those that the internet would be up in arms about it?",
">\n\nYou mean the way that you are, here, on the internet, up in arms?",
">\n\nIm one person on reddit, theres no major backlash like there would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\nSee, what's happening here is that you are also looking at people who are \"one person on Reddit\" and pretending it's a major backlash. Andrew Tate says fucked up things about women all the time (in fact, it's kind of his whole schtick) and it's as much of a non-event as this is.",
">\n\nPlease link me to something fucked up hes said about women, and ill agree with you, two wrongs don't make a right.",
">\n\nHere's exhibit A.",
">\n\nSure I agree with you he has said fucked up stuff about women, it doesn't mean its okay to make a joke about small dick energy.\nDo you understand my point?",
">\n\nWe understand, it's just that your point is fucking stupid",
">\n\nYou have no idea what his point is, it's funny that people on this thread OP and others actually like Andrew Tate.\nIt proves that everyone is completely frothingly tribalistic with zero nuance.",
">\n\nIf someone is behaving insufferably, people are going to laugh at them for things that they wouldn’t find funny if it happened to someone they liked.\nFor example, is it funny when people go bankrupt? No. Would it be funny if someone like Andrew Tate went bankrupt after boasting about Bugattis and all of his mass wealth? Yes. This doesn’t mean people who would make fun of him for that are making fun of poverty or all people who lose their livelihoods, it would just be funny if it happened to that particular person. \nIn the same way, the idea that Tate does all the douchey, over the top macho things that he does in order to compensate for having a small penis is funny, whilst it not being funny to make fun of every person who has a small penis.",
">\n\nSubstitute fat. Is that ok?",
">\n\nDepends on what the fat person is doing. If the person is minding their own business then no, if the fat person is attacking other people’s appearances then yeah go for it.",
">\n\nInteresting take. Might want to play with that a bit. A lot of situations where your reasoning falls apart.",
">\n\nPeople insulted Trump for being fat when he tried to say he was like the most fit person ever. People make fun of Elon Musk's body. You can make the same type of insult to two different people and it come off two different ways. \nWhen you make your identity or argument around something it opens up certain insults and comebacks. \nTate's whole thing is trying to act like this \"alpha male\" when in reality he's a sex trafficking weirdo who pays women to hang out with him. It's totally fine to insult him with a childish insult. \nI also find that people worried or mad about this don't actually care about body image issues. They just want a gotcha moment for people. Because many would have shitty takes about fat people or whine about pc culture.",
">\n\nWhen you call some MF that doesn't necessarily mean you are a MF... I'm not saying it's okay to say abusing words but we still do use them.\nI don't think she said it in literal terms, it was completely literary. Also she only said it cause it was Tate who she said it to. Also if a woman has small tits and someone said to someone else that they have small tits energy, I don't think one who actually has small tits would mind it, cause she is not involved and it's kinda perfect way of irritating Tate.. cause he really cares about these things. \nWhen it comes to increasing the insecurity of someone who actually has small D and is insecure about it... She couldn't think so far cause all she wanted was to irritate Tate and she was successful",
">\n\nI don't think it even irritated him if that was her goal but definitely helped him with popularity. It just proves what he says people think of insecure men, it just moves them to him and he gains more influence. It was an ignorant reply in poor taste. Someone with much following and influence as Greta shouldn't be as irresponsible and the followers shouldn't be having to do mental gymnastics to defend her instead of seeing it as it is: body shaming against men.",
">\n\nIs this some kind of weird meta-game? Are Andrew Tate fans pretending to actually be offended by this stupid insult to prove a point? Does anybody actually think her retort was any sharper than a brick wrapped in a wet blanket?\nWhat is going on here?!",
">\n\n\nWhat is going on here?!\n\nAndrew Tate fans have a lot of small dick energy. That's whats going on.",
">\n\nWhy are people not allowed dislike tate (he's an absolute idiot and a grifter) and also to criticize obvious body shaming from a supposed progressive? If Biden started talking about \"N*gger energy\" criticizing Kanye for antisemitism, would that be ok in your eyes? Would you say that a black guy who doesn't like that must be an angry Kanye fan? Or is it disgustingly offensive towards all African Americans to use that type of language no matter what?",
">\n\nBecause it suits their narrative to frame it as if people are just defending tate. It's easier than just actually defending body shaming. Done deal.",
">\n\nI think Greta used that phrase not because she actually believes or wants to promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior, but because people like Andrew Tate believe and promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior. If Andrew Tate gets hurt because Greta says he has small dick energy, then maybe -- just maybe, with the tiniest bit of introspection -- he'll come to realize how hateful some of his language is.\nBullies like Andrew Tate don't really respond to logic or pleas for sympathy. The only way to maybe make them understand the hurt they cause is to inflict it on them, because they don't care about anyone but themselves. \nSo instead of putting the cart before the horse and blaming Greta for using an offensive phrase as an argumentative tactic, maybe blame the people who use the phrase to actually demean people.",
">\n\nCan we substitute fat instead and be justified?",
">\n\nYes people did that with Trump when he claimed to be the fittest person ever basically. If someone has a habit of insulting people a certain way or making certain claims then they open themselves up to specific insults. \nSometimes we'd find those insults not tasteful if said to other people. But I feel like most people equating this to fat insults don't actually care about fat people. A lot of people would also be like oh things are getting too pc or soft or woke when it comes to body positivity towards fat people. So for me it's hard to buy this line of reasoning as being truly valid or caring.",
">\n\nNo one said it has to be authentic caring. This sub is for exploring the intellectual arguments. Your perception of how authentic someone’s feelings towards fat people is basically irrelevant. Argue the point or don’t. Passing your authenticity test is a wierd standard to try to argue for.",
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">\n\nYes, making insults is offensive. That's the point.\nInsults that reference a body part are also offensive to people who are insecure about that body part. That's also kinda obvious.\nWhat do you want your mind changed about here? I'm unclear about what you think can be discussed about an insult meant to be insulting. Are you arguing that this insult is especially wrong in some way?\nHow is this not just you soapboxing?",
">\n\nThere's a reason as a society we don't use insults like \"retard\". This is in the same vein. You're attributing a negative thing with a man having a small penis. This is harmful as it perpetuates the stigma surrounding penis size which is outside ones control. Essentially it degrades a group of people who have nothing to do with it. OP wants to know whether or not this is reconciled. Reading the comments... It has not been. \nMaking gendered insults doesn't bother me truthfully but I can understand the frustration OP is expressing because were it to be a man making some edgy reference to a woman's lady parts being inadequate as a way to demean them then everyone would be outraged as opposed to cheering it on.",
">\n\nUsing “small dick” as an insult, or “loose pussy” isn’t really offensive unless you are insecure about the physical viability of your reproductive organs. \nBut, that doesn’t make it funny. It’s a really juvenile and uncreative way of ridiculing someone.",
">\n\nInsecure women are offended when they're fat shamed.\nIt's still body shaming.\nIt's still wrong.",
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">\n\nGuy randomly decides to flex on her by saying I HAVE CARS AND I LIKE TO GO VROOOOM. It's like when Piers decides that it's absolutely important to eat meat in front of vegans. It's not about penis size. It's just that smalldickenergy is a perfect explanation of why would someone decide to behave like this.",
">\n\nShe is 19. Maybe in a few years she will have more mature insults. It’s a lot of pressure to be put on someone so young to also say the perfect thing all the time",
">\n\nUnder nearly all circumstances, I agree with you.\nHowever, for a lot of people who have built a cult of personality around any given ideal, insults of the inoffensive type are completely commonplace. All they have to do is fend off one or two instances of this PG rated attacks, strawman them, call them snowflakes, and their following is bolstered and enhanced. Instead of having any negative effect, it becomes part of their inherent power.\nSometimes if you want to rattle a cult leader you have to hit with precision their most critical weakness and watch them implode. The fact that Tate is squirming so hard and doing everything he can to reclaim some of his dignity after Greta's clapback means that she has his number. Great isn't saying that having a small dick is bad, but knowing that Tate's entire personality is built about being an alpha male and that calling into question the size of his member will hurt him the most is what she was after. \nOf course, it wasn't classy and could be offensive to some. But as the saying goes, sometimes you have to fight fire with fire.",
">\n\nReally is he squirming? \nHe's rich he's popular and now he's gotten someone he disagrees with to repeat his ideology and platform spreading it to a wider audience. \nI'd argue he's happy for the attention and popularity that she's given to him now and enjoying the increased sales in his business as more men who feel marginalized and left out join him seeing this hypocrisy playing out. Not to mention all the political players( internationally) who were against climate action seeing all this and aligning themselves appropriately, possibly propping him up and making him something more than what he actually is- An ignorant troll. \nEngage with a troll and you only give them more power. The tweet was dumb and people should know better.\nEdit: spacing",
">\n\nI'm not commenting on whether or not his fans will like him more or if the controversy will inadvertently grant him a wider audience. \nI'm commenting that Greta knew exactly where and how to hit him the hardest. Yes, he is definitely squirming. He has scrambled out half a dozen prepubescent \"I know you are but what am I\" tweets. Then he went and made the absolute cringiest response video. He's incensed by being talked down to by Greta and is overcompensating. \nDid her tweet have any net positive effect on society? No. Did it ruffle Tate's feathers and make his blood boil? Yea. Would he have even cared if she called him a misogynistic prick? Absolutely not. He would have just told her to sit down and shut up, that misogyny is made up by inferior women blah blah blah...\nInstead, his insecurities are eating him alive.",
">\n\nWhy even respond and give him attention that he so desperately craves? And why body shame men in the process? \nIf she didn't have a better insult she could have just went on with her life instead of helping him grow. Using \"small dick energy\" as an insult means implicitly we agree that people with small penises are inferior and undesirable. That's basically what Tate is on about ( Toxic masculinity). And by laughing at her tweet we all reinforce that perception. Do you get that? \nSick of double standards and hypocrisy. At least people should have the courage to own up and acknowledge it then move on instead of doubling down and performing mental gymnastics to justify an obvious case of body shaming.\nI agree with you on one thing that the net effect on society because of this tweet exchange is negative and only serves the people who Greta and her followers hate.",
">\n\nI think you are missing what I am saying. I fully agree that it wasn't necessary nor was it the right thing for Greta to do. I also agree that it just gives him attention and was overall a useless venture other for the entertainment of Tate haters.\nOP asked why it is okay. I stated that it isn't okay but that I understand why Greta took that road rather than the suggested non-offensive approach. It is because he's immune to it. What he isn't immune to is his masculinity and ego being questioned. What is the point of the Wolf continuing to blow on the brick house? None. To get to the scared little piggies inside he needs a jackhammer. \nAnd it worked exactly how she planned it to. He was rattled and anyone who hates Tate is amused. \nNot saying it's the right thing to do, nor do I want anyone to feel ashamed of the size of their penis.",
">\n\nOk.. thanks for elaborating on that. I misunderstood your comment as a disagreement and engaged to try and change your mind but seems we share the same view.",
">\n\nYou do not know what Greta is \"fully aware\" of. She is referring to character and behaviour, why are you taking this personally? She isn't speaking to you, hasn't seen you, doesn't know you. I don't know why you are externalizing your issue like this and waving it around in public, is it our responsibility to fix this for you?\nShe was just making a tiny joke. Relax. smalldickenergy @ getalife .com is hilarious.",
">\n\nAside from everything else, it's men who started the 'big dick energy' idiocy so to then complain when someone uses their own stupidity against them...",
">\n\nYeah because men are a monolith and we all meet in a room and know each other smh.",
">\n\nThey’re saying it’s offensive to more than just Andrew Tate",
">\n\nYeah but again, ISN'T THE PURPOSE",
">\n\nWhat do you mean again? You didn’t say that before. And why does the purpose matter? You can do a bad thing without meaning to.",
">\n\nI meant to say isn't that the purpose lol mb",
">\n\nOh lol I probably should have realized that. But I think the point of the insult was to offend Andrew Tate.",
">\n\nFair. Trying to not say anything about him one way or another so I don't get downvoted to hell.",
">\n\nGreta lost that argument. She literally has like a hundred things Tate has said and done she could attack. Easy target... The one thing she chose to do is to body shame the man. It's just name calling. It's not a refutation of Tate. If anything it makes her sound stupid for her inability to come up with a refutation.",
">\n\nExactly. But people are just cheering her on and laughing along without grasping the nuance of the situation.",
">\n\nI think you are kinda missing the point. People know it offensive. The issue is that they don't care.",
">\n\nPeople used to make fun of small tits all the time. Remember the 90s? Remember the itty bitty titty committee? I don't know if that's a thing any more, but skinny women with no butts are definitely not seen as attractive. It's not fair. It's not their fault. People need to stop shaming themselves and eachother, and accept all bodies. Until then, \"small dick energy\" won't cease to be an insult. I guess the difference is people are sort of \"punching up\" since it's always been people with dicks who have the power in this world. I've never heard a dude say that another dude has \"small dick energy.\" It's always a woman saying that. Either way I think it's dumb but I get it. I've always thought \"Karen\" was a dumb insult too. Not someone's fault they were named Karen, LOL.",
">\n\nAndrew insulted her. He was asking for this insult. She was totally in the right. She wasn’t trying to shame anyone else. You’re asking for this insult too.",
">\n\nIsn't it more offensive for small pp folk, that there is a guy who base his entire existence on top of an argument that being an alpha, prime male is the most important thing in the world, and you need to be a testosterone bomb gorilla to have any kind of value. Isn't that argument disregards small dick guys in the first place?",
">\n\nAnd Greta just reinforced it with her reply. Do you see the problem now?\nEdit:replaced \"comment\" with \"reply\""
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"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult.",
">\n\nIt's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh.",
">\n\nHonestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV",
">\n\nPeople can make mistakes and this was one of them.. so we can all just criticize her reply fairly and move on. No need for acute mental gymnastics to defend her as this comments section is showing lmao.",
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">\n\nI don't think anyone is arguing it's not offensive. I'm pretty sure she was trying to offend insecure men. Apparently with great success.",
">\n\nShe was trying to offend men who were insecure about their body image?\nHow is that not body shaming?",
">\n\nIt is, but we playing the avoidance and rationalization game",
">\n\nbecause women invented \"small dick energy\"\nharsh, sad. but we go jim🗿",
">\n\nOP never mentioned women tho. Post is strictly about why it's offensive. Do you disagree that it's not offensive or you think it's a trivial matter to make fun of that men's mental health doesn't matter as much?",
">\n\nThe female equivalent is\n\"Loose Pussy Energy\".\nThe typical man-hate hypocrisy commonly going around is beyond obvious. And it is an attack on All men and boys not just some.",
">\n\nNot a disagreement per se, but also worth noting that it’s transphobic. Which is to say, it insults all men by reinforcing patriarchy and punching down to two groups of men.",
">\n\nShe said small dick energy. Not that he had a small dick (though, come on). She used that phrase BECAUSE it's Tate. She's not a moron.\nHe is, as evidenced by his life to this point and his two responses to Thunberg, which were epically pathetic, is a moron and didn't seem to get it, though he doesn't get a lot.",
">\n\nThis is worse than saying he has a small dick, because how would she know, and that would just be dismissed as stupid.\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\nI can't understand the mental gymnastics some people are doing to try and say this isn't body shaming.",
">\n\n\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\n\nI mean yeah -- kind of like how pussy is an insult denoting cowardice, cunt is an insult meaning basically, terrible, etc., \nShe used that on purpose. Are you making CMV every time you see someone calling someone else a pussy?",
">\n\nPussy is kind of already known to be a shitty gendered insult so it doesn't need a CMV. In this case, Greta's gendered \"having a small penis is bad\" tweet is massively amplified, reached r/all on a shitload of subs, etc. so some discussion about whether or not that is cool is warranted",
">\n\nSmall dick energy isn’t about having a small dick tho. It’s a reflection of an attitude that men who are offensive, aggressive, nasty to people are overcompensating for their insecurities. A small dick doesn’t mean you won’t be able to find a partner or that you’re any less of a man. Being a downright trash bag of a human to others, like in this instance where an internet edgelord is cyber bullying a teenager on the internet who is fighting for the survival of our planet/humanity is an example of this trash behavior, is more of a determining factor. \nYou can also have a small dick but have big dick energy, as it’s reflective of who you are as a person. It’s an attitude. It’s who you choose to be to yourself and others. Hell, there’s women who use the term that they have big dick energy and I can tell you those women’s dicks are none existent so therefore size isn’t a thing. \nNo one should be made fun of for something they had no control over. The worth of a man is not tied to the size of his penis. Although, toxic masculinity and shallow people will tell you different. They say the same for disabled people, fat people etc. There’s plenty of people who are not “conventional standards of beauty” which is the majority of us, that lead happy, healthy relationships. Those relationships start with yourself and understanding your worth as a person isn’t tied to what you look like or how big your junk is. \nThe point is if you choose to be a trash person like Tate, where your self worth is tied into how cruel/offensive you can be to other people, don’t be mad if people call you out for that trashy attitude. Your post definitely reeks of “men are the true victims” when clearly you didn’t seem to have a problem with a grown man cyber bullying a teenager.",
">\n\nI like how you imply that OP is a fan of a literal human trafficker because they point out that a body-shaming insult is body-shaming. Do you understand why associating a trait of someone's body with negative personality traits is bad?",
">\n\nNo because people like this always have exceptions that allow them to use the things they complain about. Cognitive gymnastics allows them to recognise shaming women and people of colour is bad, because society will eat them otherwise, but when someone shows up who deserves a bit of a roasting all of their social etiquette rules go out the window and the excuses come out as to why in this context it doesn't count.\n\"Ahh no, here it is a reflection of an attitude\" blah blah 3 paragraphs later and we've clouded over the simple fact that body shaming is body shaming and harms people you weren't intending to insult.",
">\n\nPeople like this? You’re assuming things about me because I am a character in your mind not a real person. I am not a monolith. We should not be body shaming people. I am explaining the other side of this issue and why people use these terms. You never asked if I use these same terms in my life. You assumed I do. I don’t. You didn’t even bother to read my response because if you did you would have realized this.",
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">\n\nYou can have smol pp but big pp energy and vice versa",
">\n\nSo why is the phrase small dick energy if it has nothing to do with having a small dick?",
">\n\nIdk man, I just work here.",
">\n\nYou know why. Lol cause small dick is associated with bad. And by insulting dicks you use this knowledge to offend, at the cost of body shaming people. \nStop feigning dumb just to avoid the reasoning lol",
">\n\nI can see how it would be offensive, and I wouldn’t use it myself. I feel like the phrase refers more to how someone acts as opposed to how they are endowed. And how it’s behavior and actions that make people think down of you not your penis.",
">\n\nPoint is that we, as a society, should encourage better insults that attack the comments of the person without necessarily having to equate it to something someone with a small dick.",
">\n\nWould you agree with me, that if Andrew clapped back with one of those that the internet would be up in arms about it?",
">\n\nYou mean the way that you are, here, on the internet, up in arms?",
">\n\nIm one person on reddit, theres no major backlash like there would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\nSee, what's happening here is that you are also looking at people who are \"one person on Reddit\" and pretending it's a major backlash. Andrew Tate says fucked up things about women all the time (in fact, it's kind of his whole schtick) and it's as much of a non-event as this is.",
">\n\nPlease link me to something fucked up hes said about women, and ill agree with you, two wrongs don't make a right.",
">\n\nHere's exhibit A.",
">\n\nSure I agree with you he has said fucked up stuff about women, it doesn't mean its okay to make a joke about small dick energy.\nDo you understand my point?",
">\n\nWe understand, it's just that your point is fucking stupid",
">\n\nYou have no idea what his point is, it's funny that people on this thread OP and others actually like Andrew Tate.\nIt proves that everyone is completely frothingly tribalistic with zero nuance.",
">\n\nIf someone is behaving insufferably, people are going to laugh at them for things that they wouldn’t find funny if it happened to someone they liked.\nFor example, is it funny when people go bankrupt? No. Would it be funny if someone like Andrew Tate went bankrupt after boasting about Bugattis and all of his mass wealth? Yes. This doesn’t mean people who would make fun of him for that are making fun of poverty or all people who lose their livelihoods, it would just be funny if it happened to that particular person. \nIn the same way, the idea that Tate does all the douchey, over the top macho things that he does in order to compensate for having a small penis is funny, whilst it not being funny to make fun of every person who has a small penis.",
">\n\nSubstitute fat. Is that ok?",
">\n\nDepends on what the fat person is doing. If the person is minding their own business then no, if the fat person is attacking other people’s appearances then yeah go for it.",
">\n\nInteresting take. Might want to play with that a bit. A lot of situations where your reasoning falls apart.",
">\n\nPeople insulted Trump for being fat when he tried to say he was like the most fit person ever. People make fun of Elon Musk's body. You can make the same type of insult to two different people and it come off two different ways. \nWhen you make your identity or argument around something it opens up certain insults and comebacks. \nTate's whole thing is trying to act like this \"alpha male\" when in reality he's a sex trafficking weirdo who pays women to hang out with him. It's totally fine to insult him with a childish insult. \nI also find that people worried or mad about this don't actually care about body image issues. They just want a gotcha moment for people. Because many would have shitty takes about fat people or whine about pc culture.",
">\n\nWhen you call some MF that doesn't necessarily mean you are a MF... I'm not saying it's okay to say abusing words but we still do use them.\nI don't think she said it in literal terms, it was completely literary. Also she only said it cause it was Tate who she said it to. Also if a woman has small tits and someone said to someone else that they have small tits energy, I don't think one who actually has small tits would mind it, cause she is not involved and it's kinda perfect way of irritating Tate.. cause he really cares about these things. \nWhen it comes to increasing the insecurity of someone who actually has small D and is insecure about it... She couldn't think so far cause all she wanted was to irritate Tate and she was successful",
">\n\nI don't think it even irritated him if that was her goal but definitely helped him with popularity. It just proves what he says people think of insecure men, it just moves them to him and he gains more influence. It was an ignorant reply in poor taste. Someone with much following and influence as Greta shouldn't be as irresponsible and the followers shouldn't be having to do mental gymnastics to defend her instead of seeing it as it is: body shaming against men.",
">\n\nIs this some kind of weird meta-game? Are Andrew Tate fans pretending to actually be offended by this stupid insult to prove a point? Does anybody actually think her retort was any sharper than a brick wrapped in a wet blanket?\nWhat is going on here?!",
">\n\n\nWhat is going on here?!\n\nAndrew Tate fans have a lot of small dick energy. That's whats going on.",
">\n\nWhy are people not allowed dislike tate (he's an absolute idiot and a grifter) and also to criticize obvious body shaming from a supposed progressive? If Biden started talking about \"N*gger energy\" criticizing Kanye for antisemitism, would that be ok in your eyes? Would you say that a black guy who doesn't like that must be an angry Kanye fan? Or is it disgustingly offensive towards all African Americans to use that type of language no matter what?",
">\n\nBecause it suits their narrative to frame it as if people are just defending tate. It's easier than just actually defending body shaming. Done deal.",
">\n\nI think Greta used that phrase not because she actually believes or wants to promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior, but because people like Andrew Tate believe and promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior. If Andrew Tate gets hurt because Greta says he has small dick energy, then maybe -- just maybe, with the tiniest bit of introspection -- he'll come to realize how hateful some of his language is.\nBullies like Andrew Tate don't really respond to logic or pleas for sympathy. The only way to maybe make them understand the hurt they cause is to inflict it on them, because they don't care about anyone but themselves. \nSo instead of putting the cart before the horse and blaming Greta for using an offensive phrase as an argumentative tactic, maybe blame the people who use the phrase to actually demean people.",
">\n\nCan we substitute fat instead and be justified?",
">\n\nYes people did that with Trump when he claimed to be the fittest person ever basically. If someone has a habit of insulting people a certain way or making certain claims then they open themselves up to specific insults. \nSometimes we'd find those insults not tasteful if said to other people. But I feel like most people equating this to fat insults don't actually care about fat people. A lot of people would also be like oh things are getting too pc or soft or woke when it comes to body positivity towards fat people. So for me it's hard to buy this line of reasoning as being truly valid or caring.",
">\n\nNo one said it has to be authentic caring. This sub is for exploring the intellectual arguments. Your perception of how authentic someone’s feelings towards fat people is basically irrelevant. Argue the point or don’t. Passing your authenticity test is a wierd standard to try to argue for.",
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">\n\nYes, making insults is offensive. That's the point.\nInsults that reference a body part are also offensive to people who are insecure about that body part. That's also kinda obvious.\nWhat do you want your mind changed about here? I'm unclear about what you think can be discussed about an insult meant to be insulting. Are you arguing that this insult is especially wrong in some way?\nHow is this not just you soapboxing?",
">\n\nThere's a reason as a society we don't use insults like \"retard\". This is in the same vein. You're attributing a negative thing with a man having a small penis. This is harmful as it perpetuates the stigma surrounding penis size which is outside ones control. Essentially it degrades a group of people who have nothing to do with it. OP wants to know whether or not this is reconciled. Reading the comments... It has not been. \nMaking gendered insults doesn't bother me truthfully but I can understand the frustration OP is expressing because were it to be a man making some edgy reference to a woman's lady parts being inadequate as a way to demean them then everyone would be outraged as opposed to cheering it on.",
">\n\nUsing “small dick” as an insult, or “loose pussy” isn’t really offensive unless you are insecure about the physical viability of your reproductive organs. \nBut, that doesn’t make it funny. It’s a really juvenile and uncreative way of ridiculing someone.",
">\n\nInsecure women are offended when they're fat shamed.\nIt's still body shaming.\nIt's still wrong.",
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">\n\nGuy randomly decides to flex on her by saying I HAVE CARS AND I LIKE TO GO VROOOOM. It's like when Piers decides that it's absolutely important to eat meat in front of vegans. It's not about penis size. It's just that smalldickenergy is a perfect explanation of why would someone decide to behave like this.",
">\n\nShe is 19. Maybe in a few years she will have more mature insults. It’s a lot of pressure to be put on someone so young to also say the perfect thing all the time",
">\n\nUnder nearly all circumstances, I agree with you.\nHowever, for a lot of people who have built a cult of personality around any given ideal, insults of the inoffensive type are completely commonplace. All they have to do is fend off one or two instances of this PG rated attacks, strawman them, call them snowflakes, and their following is bolstered and enhanced. Instead of having any negative effect, it becomes part of their inherent power.\nSometimes if you want to rattle a cult leader you have to hit with precision their most critical weakness and watch them implode. The fact that Tate is squirming so hard and doing everything he can to reclaim some of his dignity after Greta's clapback means that she has his number. Great isn't saying that having a small dick is bad, but knowing that Tate's entire personality is built about being an alpha male and that calling into question the size of his member will hurt him the most is what she was after. \nOf course, it wasn't classy and could be offensive to some. But as the saying goes, sometimes you have to fight fire with fire.",
">\n\nReally is he squirming? \nHe's rich he's popular and now he's gotten someone he disagrees with to repeat his ideology and platform spreading it to a wider audience. \nI'd argue he's happy for the attention and popularity that she's given to him now and enjoying the increased sales in his business as more men who feel marginalized and left out join him seeing this hypocrisy playing out. Not to mention all the political players( internationally) who were against climate action seeing all this and aligning themselves appropriately, possibly propping him up and making him something more than what he actually is- An ignorant troll. \nEngage with a troll and you only give them more power. The tweet was dumb and people should know better.\nEdit: spacing",
">\n\nI'm not commenting on whether or not his fans will like him more or if the controversy will inadvertently grant him a wider audience. \nI'm commenting that Greta knew exactly where and how to hit him the hardest. Yes, he is definitely squirming. He has scrambled out half a dozen prepubescent \"I know you are but what am I\" tweets. Then he went and made the absolute cringiest response video. He's incensed by being talked down to by Greta and is overcompensating. \nDid her tweet have any net positive effect on society? No. Did it ruffle Tate's feathers and make his blood boil? Yea. Would he have even cared if she called him a misogynistic prick? Absolutely not. He would have just told her to sit down and shut up, that misogyny is made up by inferior women blah blah blah...\nInstead, his insecurities are eating him alive.",
">\n\nWhy even respond and give him attention that he so desperately craves? And why body shame men in the process? \nIf she didn't have a better insult she could have just went on with her life instead of helping him grow. Using \"small dick energy\" as an insult means implicitly we agree that people with small penises are inferior and undesirable. That's basically what Tate is on about ( Toxic masculinity). And by laughing at her tweet we all reinforce that perception. Do you get that? \nSick of double standards and hypocrisy. At least people should have the courage to own up and acknowledge it then move on instead of doubling down and performing mental gymnastics to justify an obvious case of body shaming.\nI agree with you on one thing that the net effect on society because of this tweet exchange is negative and only serves the people who Greta and her followers hate.",
">\n\nI think you are missing what I am saying. I fully agree that it wasn't necessary nor was it the right thing for Greta to do. I also agree that it just gives him attention and was overall a useless venture other for the entertainment of Tate haters.\nOP asked why it is okay. I stated that it isn't okay but that I understand why Greta took that road rather than the suggested non-offensive approach. It is because he's immune to it. What he isn't immune to is his masculinity and ego being questioned. What is the point of the Wolf continuing to blow on the brick house? None. To get to the scared little piggies inside he needs a jackhammer. \nAnd it worked exactly how she planned it to. He was rattled and anyone who hates Tate is amused. \nNot saying it's the right thing to do, nor do I want anyone to feel ashamed of the size of their penis.",
">\n\nOk.. thanks for elaborating on that. I misunderstood your comment as a disagreement and engaged to try and change your mind but seems we share the same view.",
">\n\nYou do not know what Greta is \"fully aware\" of. She is referring to character and behaviour, why are you taking this personally? She isn't speaking to you, hasn't seen you, doesn't know you. I don't know why you are externalizing your issue like this and waving it around in public, is it our responsibility to fix this for you?\nShe was just making a tiny joke. Relax. smalldickenergy @ getalife .com is hilarious.",
">\n\nAside from everything else, it's men who started the 'big dick energy' idiocy so to then complain when someone uses their own stupidity against them...",
">\n\nYeah because men are a monolith and we all meet in a room and know each other smh.",
">\n\nThey’re saying it’s offensive to more than just Andrew Tate",
">\n\nYeah but again, ISN'T THE PURPOSE",
">\n\nWhat do you mean again? You didn’t say that before. And why does the purpose matter? You can do a bad thing without meaning to.",
">\n\nI meant to say isn't that the purpose lol mb",
">\n\nOh lol I probably should have realized that. But I think the point of the insult was to offend Andrew Tate.",
">\n\nFair. Trying to not say anything about him one way or another so I don't get downvoted to hell.",
">\n\nGreta lost that argument. She literally has like a hundred things Tate has said and done she could attack. Easy target... The one thing she chose to do is to body shame the man. It's just name calling. It's not a refutation of Tate. If anything it makes her sound stupid for her inability to come up with a refutation.",
">\n\nExactly. But people are just cheering her on and laughing along without grasping the nuance of the situation.",
">\n\nI think you are kinda missing the point. People know it offensive. The issue is that they don't care.",
">\n\nPeople used to make fun of small tits all the time. Remember the 90s? Remember the itty bitty titty committee? I don't know if that's a thing any more, but skinny women with no butts are definitely not seen as attractive. It's not fair. It's not their fault. People need to stop shaming themselves and eachother, and accept all bodies. Until then, \"small dick energy\" won't cease to be an insult. I guess the difference is people are sort of \"punching up\" since it's always been people with dicks who have the power in this world. I've never heard a dude say that another dude has \"small dick energy.\" It's always a woman saying that. Either way I think it's dumb but I get it. I've always thought \"Karen\" was a dumb insult too. Not someone's fault they were named Karen, LOL.",
">\n\nAndrew insulted her. He was asking for this insult. She was totally in the right. She wasn’t trying to shame anyone else. You’re asking for this insult too.",
">\n\nIsn't it more offensive for small pp folk, that there is a guy who base his entire existence on top of an argument that being an alpha, prime male is the most important thing in the world, and you need to be a testosterone bomb gorilla to have any kind of value. Isn't that argument disregards small dick guys in the first place?",
">\n\nAnd Greta just reinforced it with her reply. Do you see the problem now?\nEdit:replaced \"comment\" with \"reply\"",
">\n\nI believe I've already made a statement about what the problem is."
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"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult.",
">\n\nIt's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh.",
">\n\nHonestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV",
">\n\nPeople can make mistakes and this was one of them.. so we can all just criticize her reply fairly and move on. No need for acute mental gymnastics to defend her as this comments section is showing lmao.",
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">\n\nI don't think anyone is arguing it's not offensive. I'm pretty sure she was trying to offend insecure men. Apparently with great success.",
">\n\nShe was trying to offend men who were insecure about their body image?\nHow is that not body shaming?",
">\n\nIt is, but we playing the avoidance and rationalization game",
">\n\nbecause women invented \"small dick energy\"\nharsh, sad. but we go jim🗿",
">\n\nOP never mentioned women tho. Post is strictly about why it's offensive. Do you disagree that it's not offensive or you think it's a trivial matter to make fun of that men's mental health doesn't matter as much?",
">\n\nThe female equivalent is\n\"Loose Pussy Energy\".\nThe typical man-hate hypocrisy commonly going around is beyond obvious. And it is an attack on All men and boys not just some.",
">\n\nNot a disagreement per se, but also worth noting that it’s transphobic. Which is to say, it insults all men by reinforcing patriarchy and punching down to two groups of men.",
">\n\nShe said small dick energy. Not that he had a small dick (though, come on). She used that phrase BECAUSE it's Tate. She's not a moron.\nHe is, as evidenced by his life to this point and his two responses to Thunberg, which were epically pathetic, is a moron and didn't seem to get it, though he doesn't get a lot.",
">\n\nThis is worse than saying he has a small dick, because how would she know, and that would just be dismissed as stupid.\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\nI can't understand the mental gymnastics some people are doing to try and say this isn't body shaming.",
">\n\n\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\n\nI mean yeah -- kind of like how pussy is an insult denoting cowardice, cunt is an insult meaning basically, terrible, etc., \nShe used that on purpose. Are you making CMV every time you see someone calling someone else a pussy?",
">\n\nPussy is kind of already known to be a shitty gendered insult so it doesn't need a CMV. In this case, Greta's gendered \"having a small penis is bad\" tweet is massively amplified, reached r/all on a shitload of subs, etc. so some discussion about whether or not that is cool is warranted",
">\n\nSmall dick energy isn’t about having a small dick tho. It’s a reflection of an attitude that men who are offensive, aggressive, nasty to people are overcompensating for their insecurities. A small dick doesn’t mean you won’t be able to find a partner or that you’re any less of a man. Being a downright trash bag of a human to others, like in this instance where an internet edgelord is cyber bullying a teenager on the internet who is fighting for the survival of our planet/humanity is an example of this trash behavior, is more of a determining factor. \nYou can also have a small dick but have big dick energy, as it’s reflective of who you are as a person. It’s an attitude. It’s who you choose to be to yourself and others. Hell, there’s women who use the term that they have big dick energy and I can tell you those women’s dicks are none existent so therefore size isn’t a thing. \nNo one should be made fun of for something they had no control over. The worth of a man is not tied to the size of his penis. Although, toxic masculinity and shallow people will tell you different. They say the same for disabled people, fat people etc. There’s plenty of people who are not “conventional standards of beauty” which is the majority of us, that lead happy, healthy relationships. Those relationships start with yourself and understanding your worth as a person isn’t tied to what you look like or how big your junk is. \nThe point is if you choose to be a trash person like Tate, where your self worth is tied into how cruel/offensive you can be to other people, don’t be mad if people call you out for that trashy attitude. Your post definitely reeks of “men are the true victims” when clearly you didn’t seem to have a problem with a grown man cyber bullying a teenager.",
">\n\nI like how you imply that OP is a fan of a literal human trafficker because they point out that a body-shaming insult is body-shaming. Do you understand why associating a trait of someone's body with negative personality traits is bad?",
">\n\nNo because people like this always have exceptions that allow them to use the things they complain about. Cognitive gymnastics allows them to recognise shaming women and people of colour is bad, because society will eat them otherwise, but when someone shows up who deserves a bit of a roasting all of their social etiquette rules go out the window and the excuses come out as to why in this context it doesn't count.\n\"Ahh no, here it is a reflection of an attitude\" blah blah 3 paragraphs later and we've clouded over the simple fact that body shaming is body shaming and harms people you weren't intending to insult.",
">\n\nPeople like this? You’re assuming things about me because I am a character in your mind not a real person. I am not a monolith. We should not be body shaming people. I am explaining the other side of this issue and why people use these terms. You never asked if I use these same terms in my life. You assumed I do. I don’t. You didn’t even bother to read my response because if you did you would have realized this.",
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">\n\nYou can have smol pp but big pp energy and vice versa",
">\n\nSo why is the phrase small dick energy if it has nothing to do with having a small dick?",
">\n\nIdk man, I just work here.",
">\n\nYou know why. Lol cause small dick is associated with bad. And by insulting dicks you use this knowledge to offend, at the cost of body shaming people. \nStop feigning dumb just to avoid the reasoning lol",
">\n\nI can see how it would be offensive, and I wouldn’t use it myself. I feel like the phrase refers more to how someone acts as opposed to how they are endowed. And how it’s behavior and actions that make people think down of you not your penis.",
">\n\nPoint is that we, as a society, should encourage better insults that attack the comments of the person without necessarily having to equate it to something someone with a small dick.",
">\n\nWould you agree with me, that if Andrew clapped back with one of those that the internet would be up in arms about it?",
">\n\nYou mean the way that you are, here, on the internet, up in arms?",
">\n\nIm one person on reddit, theres no major backlash like there would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\nSee, what's happening here is that you are also looking at people who are \"one person on Reddit\" and pretending it's a major backlash. Andrew Tate says fucked up things about women all the time (in fact, it's kind of his whole schtick) and it's as much of a non-event as this is.",
">\n\nPlease link me to something fucked up hes said about women, and ill agree with you, two wrongs don't make a right.",
">\n\nHere's exhibit A.",
">\n\nSure I agree with you he has said fucked up stuff about women, it doesn't mean its okay to make a joke about small dick energy.\nDo you understand my point?",
">\n\nWe understand, it's just that your point is fucking stupid",
">\n\nYou have no idea what his point is, it's funny that people on this thread OP and others actually like Andrew Tate.\nIt proves that everyone is completely frothingly tribalistic with zero nuance.",
">\n\nIf someone is behaving insufferably, people are going to laugh at them for things that they wouldn’t find funny if it happened to someone they liked.\nFor example, is it funny when people go bankrupt? No. Would it be funny if someone like Andrew Tate went bankrupt after boasting about Bugattis and all of his mass wealth? Yes. This doesn’t mean people who would make fun of him for that are making fun of poverty or all people who lose their livelihoods, it would just be funny if it happened to that particular person. \nIn the same way, the idea that Tate does all the douchey, over the top macho things that he does in order to compensate for having a small penis is funny, whilst it not being funny to make fun of every person who has a small penis.",
">\n\nSubstitute fat. Is that ok?",
">\n\nDepends on what the fat person is doing. If the person is minding their own business then no, if the fat person is attacking other people’s appearances then yeah go for it.",
">\n\nInteresting take. Might want to play with that a bit. A lot of situations where your reasoning falls apart.",
">\n\nPeople insulted Trump for being fat when he tried to say he was like the most fit person ever. People make fun of Elon Musk's body. You can make the same type of insult to two different people and it come off two different ways. \nWhen you make your identity or argument around something it opens up certain insults and comebacks. \nTate's whole thing is trying to act like this \"alpha male\" when in reality he's a sex trafficking weirdo who pays women to hang out with him. It's totally fine to insult him with a childish insult. \nI also find that people worried or mad about this don't actually care about body image issues. They just want a gotcha moment for people. Because many would have shitty takes about fat people or whine about pc culture.",
">\n\nWhen you call some MF that doesn't necessarily mean you are a MF... I'm not saying it's okay to say abusing words but we still do use them.\nI don't think she said it in literal terms, it was completely literary. Also she only said it cause it was Tate who she said it to. Also if a woman has small tits and someone said to someone else that they have small tits energy, I don't think one who actually has small tits would mind it, cause she is not involved and it's kinda perfect way of irritating Tate.. cause he really cares about these things. \nWhen it comes to increasing the insecurity of someone who actually has small D and is insecure about it... She couldn't think so far cause all she wanted was to irritate Tate and she was successful",
">\n\nI don't think it even irritated him if that was her goal but definitely helped him with popularity. It just proves what he says people think of insecure men, it just moves them to him and he gains more influence. It was an ignorant reply in poor taste. Someone with much following and influence as Greta shouldn't be as irresponsible and the followers shouldn't be having to do mental gymnastics to defend her instead of seeing it as it is: body shaming against men.",
">\n\nIs this some kind of weird meta-game? Are Andrew Tate fans pretending to actually be offended by this stupid insult to prove a point? Does anybody actually think her retort was any sharper than a brick wrapped in a wet blanket?\nWhat is going on here?!",
">\n\n\nWhat is going on here?!\n\nAndrew Tate fans have a lot of small dick energy. That's whats going on.",
">\n\nWhy are people not allowed dislike tate (he's an absolute idiot and a grifter) and also to criticize obvious body shaming from a supposed progressive? If Biden started talking about \"N*gger energy\" criticizing Kanye for antisemitism, would that be ok in your eyes? Would you say that a black guy who doesn't like that must be an angry Kanye fan? Or is it disgustingly offensive towards all African Americans to use that type of language no matter what?",
">\n\nBecause it suits their narrative to frame it as if people are just defending tate. It's easier than just actually defending body shaming. Done deal.",
">\n\nI think Greta used that phrase not because she actually believes or wants to promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior, but because people like Andrew Tate believe and promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior. If Andrew Tate gets hurt because Greta says he has small dick energy, then maybe -- just maybe, with the tiniest bit of introspection -- he'll come to realize how hateful some of his language is.\nBullies like Andrew Tate don't really respond to logic or pleas for sympathy. The only way to maybe make them understand the hurt they cause is to inflict it on them, because they don't care about anyone but themselves. \nSo instead of putting the cart before the horse and blaming Greta for using an offensive phrase as an argumentative tactic, maybe blame the people who use the phrase to actually demean people.",
">\n\nCan we substitute fat instead and be justified?",
">\n\nYes people did that with Trump when he claimed to be the fittest person ever basically. If someone has a habit of insulting people a certain way or making certain claims then they open themselves up to specific insults. \nSometimes we'd find those insults not tasteful if said to other people. But I feel like most people equating this to fat insults don't actually care about fat people. A lot of people would also be like oh things are getting too pc or soft or woke when it comes to body positivity towards fat people. So for me it's hard to buy this line of reasoning as being truly valid or caring.",
">\n\nNo one said it has to be authentic caring. This sub is for exploring the intellectual arguments. Your perception of how authentic someone’s feelings towards fat people is basically irrelevant. Argue the point or don’t. Passing your authenticity test is a wierd standard to try to argue for.",
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">\n\nYes, making insults is offensive. That's the point.\nInsults that reference a body part are also offensive to people who are insecure about that body part. That's also kinda obvious.\nWhat do you want your mind changed about here? I'm unclear about what you think can be discussed about an insult meant to be insulting. Are you arguing that this insult is especially wrong in some way?\nHow is this not just you soapboxing?",
">\n\nThere's a reason as a society we don't use insults like \"retard\". This is in the same vein. You're attributing a negative thing with a man having a small penis. This is harmful as it perpetuates the stigma surrounding penis size which is outside ones control. Essentially it degrades a group of people who have nothing to do with it. OP wants to know whether or not this is reconciled. Reading the comments... It has not been. \nMaking gendered insults doesn't bother me truthfully but I can understand the frustration OP is expressing because were it to be a man making some edgy reference to a woman's lady parts being inadequate as a way to demean them then everyone would be outraged as opposed to cheering it on.",
">\n\nUsing “small dick” as an insult, or “loose pussy” isn’t really offensive unless you are insecure about the physical viability of your reproductive organs. \nBut, that doesn’t make it funny. It’s a really juvenile and uncreative way of ridiculing someone.",
">\n\nInsecure women are offended when they're fat shamed.\nIt's still body shaming.\nIt's still wrong.",
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">\n\nGuy randomly decides to flex on her by saying I HAVE CARS AND I LIKE TO GO VROOOOM. It's like when Piers decides that it's absolutely important to eat meat in front of vegans. It's not about penis size. It's just that smalldickenergy is a perfect explanation of why would someone decide to behave like this.",
">\n\nShe is 19. Maybe in a few years she will have more mature insults. It’s a lot of pressure to be put on someone so young to also say the perfect thing all the time",
">\n\nUnder nearly all circumstances, I agree with you.\nHowever, for a lot of people who have built a cult of personality around any given ideal, insults of the inoffensive type are completely commonplace. All they have to do is fend off one or two instances of this PG rated attacks, strawman them, call them snowflakes, and their following is bolstered and enhanced. Instead of having any negative effect, it becomes part of their inherent power.\nSometimes if you want to rattle a cult leader you have to hit with precision their most critical weakness and watch them implode. The fact that Tate is squirming so hard and doing everything he can to reclaim some of his dignity after Greta's clapback means that she has his number. Great isn't saying that having a small dick is bad, but knowing that Tate's entire personality is built about being an alpha male and that calling into question the size of his member will hurt him the most is what she was after. \nOf course, it wasn't classy and could be offensive to some. But as the saying goes, sometimes you have to fight fire with fire.",
">\n\nReally is he squirming? \nHe's rich he's popular and now he's gotten someone he disagrees with to repeat his ideology and platform spreading it to a wider audience. \nI'd argue he's happy for the attention and popularity that she's given to him now and enjoying the increased sales in his business as more men who feel marginalized and left out join him seeing this hypocrisy playing out. Not to mention all the political players( internationally) who were against climate action seeing all this and aligning themselves appropriately, possibly propping him up and making him something more than what he actually is- An ignorant troll. \nEngage with a troll and you only give them more power. The tweet was dumb and people should know better.\nEdit: spacing",
">\n\nI'm not commenting on whether or not his fans will like him more or if the controversy will inadvertently grant him a wider audience. \nI'm commenting that Greta knew exactly where and how to hit him the hardest. Yes, he is definitely squirming. He has scrambled out half a dozen prepubescent \"I know you are but what am I\" tweets. Then he went and made the absolute cringiest response video. He's incensed by being talked down to by Greta and is overcompensating. \nDid her tweet have any net positive effect on society? No. Did it ruffle Tate's feathers and make his blood boil? Yea. Would he have even cared if she called him a misogynistic prick? Absolutely not. He would have just told her to sit down and shut up, that misogyny is made up by inferior women blah blah blah...\nInstead, his insecurities are eating him alive.",
">\n\nWhy even respond and give him attention that he so desperately craves? And why body shame men in the process? \nIf she didn't have a better insult she could have just went on with her life instead of helping him grow. Using \"small dick energy\" as an insult means implicitly we agree that people with small penises are inferior and undesirable. That's basically what Tate is on about ( Toxic masculinity). And by laughing at her tweet we all reinforce that perception. Do you get that? \nSick of double standards and hypocrisy. At least people should have the courage to own up and acknowledge it then move on instead of doubling down and performing mental gymnastics to justify an obvious case of body shaming.\nI agree with you on one thing that the net effect on society because of this tweet exchange is negative and only serves the people who Greta and her followers hate.",
">\n\nI think you are missing what I am saying. I fully agree that it wasn't necessary nor was it the right thing for Greta to do. I also agree that it just gives him attention and was overall a useless venture other for the entertainment of Tate haters.\nOP asked why it is okay. I stated that it isn't okay but that I understand why Greta took that road rather than the suggested non-offensive approach. It is because he's immune to it. What he isn't immune to is his masculinity and ego being questioned. What is the point of the Wolf continuing to blow on the brick house? None. To get to the scared little piggies inside he needs a jackhammer. \nAnd it worked exactly how she planned it to. He was rattled and anyone who hates Tate is amused. \nNot saying it's the right thing to do, nor do I want anyone to feel ashamed of the size of their penis.",
">\n\nOk.. thanks for elaborating on that. I misunderstood your comment as a disagreement and engaged to try and change your mind but seems we share the same view.",
">\n\nYou do not know what Greta is \"fully aware\" of. She is referring to character and behaviour, why are you taking this personally? She isn't speaking to you, hasn't seen you, doesn't know you. I don't know why you are externalizing your issue like this and waving it around in public, is it our responsibility to fix this for you?\nShe was just making a tiny joke. Relax. smalldickenergy @ getalife .com is hilarious.",
">\n\nAside from everything else, it's men who started the 'big dick energy' idiocy so to then complain when someone uses their own stupidity against them...",
">\n\nYeah because men are a monolith and we all meet in a room and know each other smh.",
">\n\nThey’re saying it’s offensive to more than just Andrew Tate",
">\n\nYeah but again, ISN'T THE PURPOSE",
">\n\nWhat do you mean again? You didn’t say that before. And why does the purpose matter? You can do a bad thing without meaning to.",
">\n\nI meant to say isn't that the purpose lol mb",
">\n\nOh lol I probably should have realized that. But I think the point of the insult was to offend Andrew Tate.",
">\n\nFair. Trying to not say anything about him one way or another so I don't get downvoted to hell.",
">\n\nGreta lost that argument. She literally has like a hundred things Tate has said and done she could attack. Easy target... The one thing she chose to do is to body shame the man. It's just name calling. It's not a refutation of Tate. If anything it makes her sound stupid for her inability to come up with a refutation.",
">\n\nExactly. But people are just cheering her on and laughing along without grasping the nuance of the situation.",
">\n\nI think you are kinda missing the point. People know it offensive. The issue is that they don't care.",
">\n\nPeople used to make fun of small tits all the time. Remember the 90s? Remember the itty bitty titty committee? I don't know if that's a thing any more, but skinny women with no butts are definitely not seen as attractive. It's not fair. It's not their fault. People need to stop shaming themselves and eachother, and accept all bodies. Until then, \"small dick energy\" won't cease to be an insult. I guess the difference is people are sort of \"punching up\" since it's always been people with dicks who have the power in this world. I've never heard a dude say that another dude has \"small dick energy.\" It's always a woman saying that. Either way I think it's dumb but I get it. I've always thought \"Karen\" was a dumb insult too. Not someone's fault they were named Karen, LOL.",
">\n\nAndrew insulted her. He was asking for this insult. She was totally in the right. She wasn’t trying to shame anyone else. You’re asking for this insult too.",
">\n\nIsn't it more offensive for small pp folk, that there is a guy who base his entire existence on top of an argument that being an alpha, prime male is the most important thing in the world, and you need to be a testosterone bomb gorilla to have any kind of value. Isn't that argument disregards small dick guys in the first place?",
">\n\nAnd Greta just reinforced it with her reply. Do you see the problem now?\nEdit:replaced \"comment\" with \"reply\"",
">\n\nI believe I've already made a statement about what the problem is.",
">\n\nThen do you understand why Greta's reply is offensive and playing into Andrew Tate's hands?"
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Oh look. Greta is human. Someone who spent a lot of her growing up time trying to educate people.
If she was in a bar and some doofus made a pass, she's just asserting herself. Age and context. Good on her.
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"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult.",
">\n\nIt's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh.",
">\n\nHonestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV",
">\n\nPeople can make mistakes and this was one of them.. so we can all just criticize her reply fairly and move on. No need for acute mental gymnastics to defend her as this comments section is showing lmao.",
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">\n\nI don't think anyone is arguing it's not offensive. I'm pretty sure she was trying to offend insecure men. Apparently with great success.",
">\n\nShe was trying to offend men who were insecure about their body image?\nHow is that not body shaming?",
">\n\nIt is, but we playing the avoidance and rationalization game",
">\n\nbecause women invented \"small dick energy\"\nharsh, sad. but we go jim🗿",
">\n\nOP never mentioned women tho. Post is strictly about why it's offensive. Do you disagree that it's not offensive or you think it's a trivial matter to make fun of that men's mental health doesn't matter as much?",
">\n\nThe female equivalent is\n\"Loose Pussy Energy\".\nThe typical man-hate hypocrisy commonly going around is beyond obvious. And it is an attack on All men and boys not just some.",
">\n\nNot a disagreement per se, but also worth noting that it’s transphobic. Which is to say, it insults all men by reinforcing patriarchy and punching down to two groups of men.",
">\n\nShe said small dick energy. Not that he had a small dick (though, come on). She used that phrase BECAUSE it's Tate. She's not a moron.\nHe is, as evidenced by his life to this point and his two responses to Thunberg, which were epically pathetic, is a moron and didn't seem to get it, though he doesn't get a lot.",
">\n\nThis is worse than saying he has a small dick, because how would she know, and that would just be dismissed as stupid.\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\nI can't understand the mental gymnastics some people are doing to try and say this isn't body shaming.",
">\n\n\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\n\nI mean yeah -- kind of like how pussy is an insult denoting cowardice, cunt is an insult meaning basically, terrible, etc., \nShe used that on purpose. Are you making CMV every time you see someone calling someone else a pussy?",
">\n\nPussy is kind of already known to be a shitty gendered insult so it doesn't need a CMV. In this case, Greta's gendered \"having a small penis is bad\" tweet is massively amplified, reached r/all on a shitload of subs, etc. so some discussion about whether or not that is cool is warranted",
">\n\nSmall dick energy isn’t about having a small dick tho. It’s a reflection of an attitude that men who are offensive, aggressive, nasty to people are overcompensating for their insecurities. A small dick doesn’t mean you won’t be able to find a partner or that you’re any less of a man. Being a downright trash bag of a human to others, like in this instance where an internet edgelord is cyber bullying a teenager on the internet who is fighting for the survival of our planet/humanity is an example of this trash behavior, is more of a determining factor. \nYou can also have a small dick but have big dick energy, as it’s reflective of who you are as a person. It’s an attitude. It’s who you choose to be to yourself and others. Hell, there’s women who use the term that they have big dick energy and I can tell you those women’s dicks are none existent so therefore size isn’t a thing. \nNo one should be made fun of for something they had no control over. The worth of a man is not tied to the size of his penis. Although, toxic masculinity and shallow people will tell you different. They say the same for disabled people, fat people etc. There’s plenty of people who are not “conventional standards of beauty” which is the majority of us, that lead happy, healthy relationships. Those relationships start with yourself and understanding your worth as a person isn’t tied to what you look like or how big your junk is. \nThe point is if you choose to be a trash person like Tate, where your self worth is tied into how cruel/offensive you can be to other people, don’t be mad if people call you out for that trashy attitude. Your post definitely reeks of “men are the true victims” when clearly you didn’t seem to have a problem with a grown man cyber bullying a teenager.",
">\n\nI like how you imply that OP is a fan of a literal human trafficker because they point out that a body-shaming insult is body-shaming. Do you understand why associating a trait of someone's body with negative personality traits is bad?",
">\n\nNo because people like this always have exceptions that allow them to use the things they complain about. Cognitive gymnastics allows them to recognise shaming women and people of colour is bad, because society will eat them otherwise, but when someone shows up who deserves a bit of a roasting all of their social etiquette rules go out the window and the excuses come out as to why in this context it doesn't count.\n\"Ahh no, here it is a reflection of an attitude\" blah blah 3 paragraphs later and we've clouded over the simple fact that body shaming is body shaming and harms people you weren't intending to insult.",
">\n\nPeople like this? You’re assuming things about me because I am a character in your mind not a real person. I am not a monolith. We should not be body shaming people. I am explaining the other side of this issue and why people use these terms. You never asked if I use these same terms in my life. You assumed I do. I don’t. You didn’t even bother to read my response because if you did you would have realized this.",
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">\n\nYou can have smol pp but big pp energy and vice versa",
">\n\nSo why is the phrase small dick energy if it has nothing to do with having a small dick?",
">\n\nIdk man, I just work here.",
">\n\nYou know why. Lol cause small dick is associated with bad. And by insulting dicks you use this knowledge to offend, at the cost of body shaming people. \nStop feigning dumb just to avoid the reasoning lol",
">\n\nI can see how it would be offensive, and I wouldn’t use it myself. I feel like the phrase refers more to how someone acts as opposed to how they are endowed. And how it’s behavior and actions that make people think down of you not your penis.",
">\n\nPoint is that we, as a society, should encourage better insults that attack the comments of the person without necessarily having to equate it to something someone with a small dick.",
">\n\nWould you agree with me, that if Andrew clapped back with one of those that the internet would be up in arms about it?",
">\n\nYou mean the way that you are, here, on the internet, up in arms?",
">\n\nIm one person on reddit, theres no major backlash like there would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\nSee, what's happening here is that you are also looking at people who are \"one person on Reddit\" and pretending it's a major backlash. Andrew Tate says fucked up things about women all the time (in fact, it's kind of his whole schtick) and it's as much of a non-event as this is.",
">\n\nPlease link me to something fucked up hes said about women, and ill agree with you, two wrongs don't make a right.",
">\n\nHere's exhibit A.",
">\n\nSure I agree with you he has said fucked up stuff about women, it doesn't mean its okay to make a joke about small dick energy.\nDo you understand my point?",
">\n\nWe understand, it's just that your point is fucking stupid",
">\n\nYou have no idea what his point is, it's funny that people on this thread OP and others actually like Andrew Tate.\nIt proves that everyone is completely frothingly tribalistic with zero nuance.",
">\n\nIf someone is behaving insufferably, people are going to laugh at them for things that they wouldn’t find funny if it happened to someone they liked.\nFor example, is it funny when people go bankrupt? No. Would it be funny if someone like Andrew Tate went bankrupt after boasting about Bugattis and all of his mass wealth? Yes. This doesn’t mean people who would make fun of him for that are making fun of poverty or all people who lose their livelihoods, it would just be funny if it happened to that particular person. \nIn the same way, the idea that Tate does all the douchey, over the top macho things that he does in order to compensate for having a small penis is funny, whilst it not being funny to make fun of every person who has a small penis.",
">\n\nSubstitute fat. Is that ok?",
">\n\nDepends on what the fat person is doing. If the person is minding their own business then no, if the fat person is attacking other people’s appearances then yeah go for it.",
">\n\nInteresting take. Might want to play with that a bit. A lot of situations where your reasoning falls apart.",
">\n\nPeople insulted Trump for being fat when he tried to say he was like the most fit person ever. People make fun of Elon Musk's body. You can make the same type of insult to two different people and it come off two different ways. \nWhen you make your identity or argument around something it opens up certain insults and comebacks. \nTate's whole thing is trying to act like this \"alpha male\" when in reality he's a sex trafficking weirdo who pays women to hang out with him. It's totally fine to insult him with a childish insult. \nI also find that people worried or mad about this don't actually care about body image issues. They just want a gotcha moment for people. Because many would have shitty takes about fat people or whine about pc culture.",
">\n\nWhen you call some MF that doesn't necessarily mean you are a MF... I'm not saying it's okay to say abusing words but we still do use them.\nI don't think she said it in literal terms, it was completely literary. Also she only said it cause it was Tate who she said it to. Also if a woman has small tits and someone said to someone else that they have small tits energy, I don't think one who actually has small tits would mind it, cause she is not involved and it's kinda perfect way of irritating Tate.. cause he really cares about these things. \nWhen it comes to increasing the insecurity of someone who actually has small D and is insecure about it... She couldn't think so far cause all she wanted was to irritate Tate and she was successful",
">\n\nI don't think it even irritated him if that was her goal but definitely helped him with popularity. It just proves what he says people think of insecure men, it just moves them to him and he gains more influence. It was an ignorant reply in poor taste. Someone with much following and influence as Greta shouldn't be as irresponsible and the followers shouldn't be having to do mental gymnastics to defend her instead of seeing it as it is: body shaming against men.",
">\n\nIs this some kind of weird meta-game? Are Andrew Tate fans pretending to actually be offended by this stupid insult to prove a point? Does anybody actually think her retort was any sharper than a brick wrapped in a wet blanket?\nWhat is going on here?!",
">\n\n\nWhat is going on here?!\n\nAndrew Tate fans have a lot of small dick energy. That's whats going on.",
">\n\nWhy are people not allowed dislike tate (he's an absolute idiot and a grifter) and also to criticize obvious body shaming from a supposed progressive? If Biden started talking about \"N*gger energy\" criticizing Kanye for antisemitism, would that be ok in your eyes? Would you say that a black guy who doesn't like that must be an angry Kanye fan? Or is it disgustingly offensive towards all African Americans to use that type of language no matter what?",
">\n\nBecause it suits their narrative to frame it as if people are just defending tate. It's easier than just actually defending body shaming. Done deal.",
">\n\nI think Greta used that phrase not because she actually believes or wants to promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior, but because people like Andrew Tate believe and promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior. If Andrew Tate gets hurt because Greta says he has small dick energy, then maybe -- just maybe, with the tiniest bit of introspection -- he'll come to realize how hateful some of his language is.\nBullies like Andrew Tate don't really respond to logic or pleas for sympathy. The only way to maybe make them understand the hurt they cause is to inflict it on them, because they don't care about anyone but themselves. \nSo instead of putting the cart before the horse and blaming Greta for using an offensive phrase as an argumentative tactic, maybe blame the people who use the phrase to actually demean people.",
">\n\nCan we substitute fat instead and be justified?",
">\n\nYes people did that with Trump when he claimed to be the fittest person ever basically. If someone has a habit of insulting people a certain way or making certain claims then they open themselves up to specific insults. \nSometimes we'd find those insults not tasteful if said to other people. But I feel like most people equating this to fat insults don't actually care about fat people. A lot of people would also be like oh things are getting too pc or soft or woke when it comes to body positivity towards fat people. So for me it's hard to buy this line of reasoning as being truly valid or caring.",
">\n\nNo one said it has to be authentic caring. This sub is for exploring the intellectual arguments. Your perception of how authentic someone’s feelings towards fat people is basically irrelevant. Argue the point or don’t. Passing your authenticity test is a wierd standard to try to argue for.",
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">\n\nYes, making insults is offensive. That's the point.\nInsults that reference a body part are also offensive to people who are insecure about that body part. That's also kinda obvious.\nWhat do you want your mind changed about here? I'm unclear about what you think can be discussed about an insult meant to be insulting. Are you arguing that this insult is especially wrong in some way?\nHow is this not just you soapboxing?",
">\n\nThere's a reason as a society we don't use insults like \"retard\". This is in the same vein. You're attributing a negative thing with a man having a small penis. This is harmful as it perpetuates the stigma surrounding penis size which is outside ones control. Essentially it degrades a group of people who have nothing to do with it. OP wants to know whether or not this is reconciled. Reading the comments... It has not been. \nMaking gendered insults doesn't bother me truthfully but I can understand the frustration OP is expressing because were it to be a man making some edgy reference to a woman's lady parts being inadequate as a way to demean them then everyone would be outraged as opposed to cheering it on.",
">\n\nUsing “small dick” as an insult, or “loose pussy” isn’t really offensive unless you are insecure about the physical viability of your reproductive organs. \nBut, that doesn’t make it funny. It’s a really juvenile and uncreative way of ridiculing someone.",
">\n\nInsecure women are offended when they're fat shamed.\nIt's still body shaming.\nIt's still wrong.",
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">\n\nGuy randomly decides to flex on her by saying I HAVE CARS AND I LIKE TO GO VROOOOM. It's like when Piers decides that it's absolutely important to eat meat in front of vegans. It's not about penis size. It's just that smalldickenergy is a perfect explanation of why would someone decide to behave like this.",
">\n\nShe is 19. Maybe in a few years she will have more mature insults. It’s a lot of pressure to be put on someone so young to also say the perfect thing all the time",
">\n\nUnder nearly all circumstances, I agree with you.\nHowever, for a lot of people who have built a cult of personality around any given ideal, insults of the inoffensive type are completely commonplace. All they have to do is fend off one or two instances of this PG rated attacks, strawman them, call them snowflakes, and their following is bolstered and enhanced. Instead of having any negative effect, it becomes part of their inherent power.\nSometimes if you want to rattle a cult leader you have to hit with precision their most critical weakness and watch them implode. The fact that Tate is squirming so hard and doing everything he can to reclaim some of his dignity after Greta's clapback means that she has his number. Great isn't saying that having a small dick is bad, but knowing that Tate's entire personality is built about being an alpha male and that calling into question the size of his member will hurt him the most is what she was after. \nOf course, it wasn't classy and could be offensive to some. But as the saying goes, sometimes you have to fight fire with fire.",
">\n\nReally is he squirming? \nHe's rich he's popular and now he's gotten someone he disagrees with to repeat his ideology and platform spreading it to a wider audience. \nI'd argue he's happy for the attention and popularity that she's given to him now and enjoying the increased sales in his business as more men who feel marginalized and left out join him seeing this hypocrisy playing out. Not to mention all the political players( internationally) who were against climate action seeing all this and aligning themselves appropriately, possibly propping him up and making him something more than what he actually is- An ignorant troll. \nEngage with a troll and you only give them more power. The tweet was dumb and people should know better.\nEdit: spacing",
">\n\nI'm not commenting on whether or not his fans will like him more or if the controversy will inadvertently grant him a wider audience. \nI'm commenting that Greta knew exactly where and how to hit him the hardest. Yes, he is definitely squirming. He has scrambled out half a dozen prepubescent \"I know you are but what am I\" tweets. Then he went and made the absolute cringiest response video. He's incensed by being talked down to by Greta and is overcompensating. \nDid her tweet have any net positive effect on society? No. Did it ruffle Tate's feathers and make his blood boil? Yea. Would he have even cared if she called him a misogynistic prick? Absolutely not. He would have just told her to sit down and shut up, that misogyny is made up by inferior women blah blah blah...\nInstead, his insecurities are eating him alive.",
">\n\nWhy even respond and give him attention that he so desperately craves? And why body shame men in the process? \nIf she didn't have a better insult she could have just went on with her life instead of helping him grow. Using \"small dick energy\" as an insult means implicitly we agree that people with small penises are inferior and undesirable. That's basically what Tate is on about ( Toxic masculinity). And by laughing at her tweet we all reinforce that perception. Do you get that? \nSick of double standards and hypocrisy. At least people should have the courage to own up and acknowledge it then move on instead of doubling down and performing mental gymnastics to justify an obvious case of body shaming.\nI agree with you on one thing that the net effect on society because of this tweet exchange is negative and only serves the people who Greta and her followers hate.",
">\n\nI think you are missing what I am saying. I fully agree that it wasn't necessary nor was it the right thing for Greta to do. I also agree that it just gives him attention and was overall a useless venture other for the entertainment of Tate haters.\nOP asked why it is okay. I stated that it isn't okay but that I understand why Greta took that road rather than the suggested non-offensive approach. It is because he's immune to it. What he isn't immune to is his masculinity and ego being questioned. What is the point of the Wolf continuing to blow on the brick house? None. To get to the scared little piggies inside he needs a jackhammer. \nAnd it worked exactly how she planned it to. He was rattled and anyone who hates Tate is amused. \nNot saying it's the right thing to do, nor do I want anyone to feel ashamed of the size of their penis.",
">\n\nOk.. thanks for elaborating on that. I misunderstood your comment as a disagreement and engaged to try and change your mind but seems we share the same view.",
">\n\nYou do not know what Greta is \"fully aware\" of. She is referring to character and behaviour, why are you taking this personally? She isn't speaking to you, hasn't seen you, doesn't know you. I don't know why you are externalizing your issue like this and waving it around in public, is it our responsibility to fix this for you?\nShe was just making a tiny joke. Relax. smalldickenergy @ getalife .com is hilarious.",
">\n\nAside from everything else, it's men who started the 'big dick energy' idiocy so to then complain when someone uses their own stupidity against them...",
">\n\nYeah because men are a monolith and we all meet in a room and know each other smh.",
">\n\nThey’re saying it’s offensive to more than just Andrew Tate",
">\n\nYeah but again, ISN'T THE PURPOSE",
">\n\nWhat do you mean again? You didn’t say that before. And why does the purpose matter? You can do a bad thing without meaning to.",
">\n\nI meant to say isn't that the purpose lol mb",
">\n\nOh lol I probably should have realized that. But I think the point of the insult was to offend Andrew Tate.",
">\n\nFair. Trying to not say anything about him one way or another so I don't get downvoted to hell.",
">\n\nGreta lost that argument. She literally has like a hundred things Tate has said and done she could attack. Easy target... The one thing she chose to do is to body shame the man. It's just name calling. It's not a refutation of Tate. If anything it makes her sound stupid for her inability to come up with a refutation.",
">\n\nExactly. But people are just cheering her on and laughing along without grasping the nuance of the situation.",
">\n\nI think you are kinda missing the point. People know it offensive. The issue is that they don't care.",
">\n\nPeople used to make fun of small tits all the time. Remember the 90s? Remember the itty bitty titty committee? I don't know if that's a thing any more, but skinny women with no butts are definitely not seen as attractive. It's not fair. It's not their fault. People need to stop shaming themselves and eachother, and accept all bodies. Until then, \"small dick energy\" won't cease to be an insult. I guess the difference is people are sort of \"punching up\" since it's always been people with dicks who have the power in this world. I've never heard a dude say that another dude has \"small dick energy.\" It's always a woman saying that. Either way I think it's dumb but I get it. I've always thought \"Karen\" was a dumb insult too. Not someone's fault they were named Karen, LOL.",
">\n\nAndrew insulted her. He was asking for this insult. She was totally in the right. She wasn’t trying to shame anyone else. You’re asking for this insult too.",
">\n\nIsn't it more offensive for small pp folk, that there is a guy who base his entire existence on top of an argument that being an alpha, prime male is the most important thing in the world, and you need to be a testosterone bomb gorilla to have any kind of value. Isn't that argument disregards small dick guys in the first place?",
">\n\nAnd Greta just reinforced it with her reply. Do you see the problem now?\nEdit:replaced \"comment\" with \"reply\"",
">\n\nI believe I've already made a statement about what the problem is.",
">\n\nThen do you understand why Greta's reply is offensive and playing into Andrew Tate's hands?",
">\n\nLol this is twitter. There is no playing into each other's hands. Get outside."
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It is actually been studied. Men with small penises actually do have less energy- testosterone or something.
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"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult.",
">\n\nIt's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh.",
">\n\nHonestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV",
">\n\nPeople can make mistakes and this was one of them.. so we can all just criticize her reply fairly and move on. No need for acute mental gymnastics to defend her as this comments section is showing lmao.",
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">\n\nI don't think anyone is arguing it's not offensive. I'm pretty sure she was trying to offend insecure men. Apparently with great success.",
">\n\nShe was trying to offend men who were insecure about their body image?\nHow is that not body shaming?",
">\n\nIt is, but we playing the avoidance and rationalization game",
">\n\nbecause women invented \"small dick energy\"\nharsh, sad. but we go jim🗿",
">\n\nOP never mentioned women tho. Post is strictly about why it's offensive. Do you disagree that it's not offensive or you think it's a trivial matter to make fun of that men's mental health doesn't matter as much?",
">\n\nThe female equivalent is\n\"Loose Pussy Energy\".\nThe typical man-hate hypocrisy commonly going around is beyond obvious. And it is an attack on All men and boys not just some.",
">\n\nNot a disagreement per se, but also worth noting that it’s transphobic. Which is to say, it insults all men by reinforcing patriarchy and punching down to two groups of men.",
">\n\nShe said small dick energy. Not that he had a small dick (though, come on). She used that phrase BECAUSE it's Tate. She's not a moron.\nHe is, as evidenced by his life to this point and his two responses to Thunberg, which were epically pathetic, is a moron and didn't seem to get it, though he doesn't get a lot.",
">\n\nThis is worse than saying he has a small dick, because how would she know, and that would just be dismissed as stupid.\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\nI can't understand the mental gymnastics some people are doing to try and say this isn't body shaming.",
">\n\n\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\n\nI mean yeah -- kind of like how pussy is an insult denoting cowardice, cunt is an insult meaning basically, terrible, etc., \nShe used that on purpose. Are you making CMV every time you see someone calling someone else a pussy?",
">\n\nPussy is kind of already known to be a shitty gendered insult so it doesn't need a CMV. In this case, Greta's gendered \"having a small penis is bad\" tweet is massively amplified, reached r/all on a shitload of subs, etc. so some discussion about whether or not that is cool is warranted",
">\n\nSmall dick energy isn’t about having a small dick tho. It’s a reflection of an attitude that men who are offensive, aggressive, nasty to people are overcompensating for their insecurities. A small dick doesn’t mean you won’t be able to find a partner or that you’re any less of a man. Being a downright trash bag of a human to others, like in this instance where an internet edgelord is cyber bullying a teenager on the internet who is fighting for the survival of our planet/humanity is an example of this trash behavior, is more of a determining factor. \nYou can also have a small dick but have big dick energy, as it’s reflective of who you are as a person. It’s an attitude. It’s who you choose to be to yourself and others. Hell, there’s women who use the term that they have big dick energy and I can tell you those women’s dicks are none existent so therefore size isn’t a thing. \nNo one should be made fun of for something they had no control over. The worth of a man is not tied to the size of his penis. Although, toxic masculinity and shallow people will tell you different. They say the same for disabled people, fat people etc. There’s plenty of people who are not “conventional standards of beauty” which is the majority of us, that lead happy, healthy relationships. Those relationships start with yourself and understanding your worth as a person isn’t tied to what you look like or how big your junk is. \nThe point is if you choose to be a trash person like Tate, where your self worth is tied into how cruel/offensive you can be to other people, don’t be mad if people call you out for that trashy attitude. Your post definitely reeks of “men are the true victims” when clearly you didn’t seem to have a problem with a grown man cyber bullying a teenager.",
">\n\nI like how you imply that OP is a fan of a literal human trafficker because they point out that a body-shaming insult is body-shaming. Do you understand why associating a trait of someone's body with negative personality traits is bad?",
">\n\nNo because people like this always have exceptions that allow them to use the things they complain about. Cognitive gymnastics allows them to recognise shaming women and people of colour is bad, because society will eat them otherwise, but when someone shows up who deserves a bit of a roasting all of their social etiquette rules go out the window and the excuses come out as to why in this context it doesn't count.\n\"Ahh no, here it is a reflection of an attitude\" blah blah 3 paragraphs later and we've clouded over the simple fact that body shaming is body shaming and harms people you weren't intending to insult.",
">\n\nPeople like this? You’re assuming things about me because I am a character in your mind not a real person. I am not a monolith. We should not be body shaming people. I am explaining the other side of this issue and why people use these terms. You never asked if I use these same terms in my life. You assumed I do. I don’t. You didn’t even bother to read my response because if you did you would have realized this.",
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">\n\nYou can have smol pp but big pp energy and vice versa",
">\n\nSo why is the phrase small dick energy if it has nothing to do with having a small dick?",
">\n\nIdk man, I just work here.",
">\n\nYou know why. Lol cause small dick is associated with bad. And by insulting dicks you use this knowledge to offend, at the cost of body shaming people. \nStop feigning dumb just to avoid the reasoning lol",
">\n\nI can see how it would be offensive, and I wouldn’t use it myself. I feel like the phrase refers more to how someone acts as opposed to how they are endowed. And how it’s behavior and actions that make people think down of you not your penis.",
">\n\nPoint is that we, as a society, should encourage better insults that attack the comments of the person without necessarily having to equate it to something someone with a small dick.",
">\n\nWould you agree with me, that if Andrew clapped back with one of those that the internet would be up in arms about it?",
">\n\nYou mean the way that you are, here, on the internet, up in arms?",
">\n\nIm one person on reddit, theres no major backlash like there would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\nSee, what's happening here is that you are also looking at people who are \"one person on Reddit\" and pretending it's a major backlash. Andrew Tate says fucked up things about women all the time (in fact, it's kind of his whole schtick) and it's as much of a non-event as this is.",
">\n\nPlease link me to something fucked up hes said about women, and ill agree with you, two wrongs don't make a right.",
">\n\nHere's exhibit A.",
">\n\nSure I agree with you he has said fucked up stuff about women, it doesn't mean its okay to make a joke about small dick energy.\nDo you understand my point?",
">\n\nWe understand, it's just that your point is fucking stupid",
">\n\nYou have no idea what his point is, it's funny that people on this thread OP and others actually like Andrew Tate.\nIt proves that everyone is completely frothingly tribalistic with zero nuance.",
">\n\nIf someone is behaving insufferably, people are going to laugh at them for things that they wouldn’t find funny if it happened to someone they liked.\nFor example, is it funny when people go bankrupt? No. Would it be funny if someone like Andrew Tate went bankrupt after boasting about Bugattis and all of his mass wealth? Yes. This doesn’t mean people who would make fun of him for that are making fun of poverty or all people who lose their livelihoods, it would just be funny if it happened to that particular person. \nIn the same way, the idea that Tate does all the douchey, over the top macho things that he does in order to compensate for having a small penis is funny, whilst it not being funny to make fun of every person who has a small penis.",
">\n\nSubstitute fat. Is that ok?",
">\n\nDepends on what the fat person is doing. If the person is minding their own business then no, if the fat person is attacking other people’s appearances then yeah go for it.",
">\n\nInteresting take. Might want to play with that a bit. A lot of situations where your reasoning falls apart.",
">\n\nPeople insulted Trump for being fat when he tried to say he was like the most fit person ever. People make fun of Elon Musk's body. You can make the same type of insult to two different people and it come off two different ways. \nWhen you make your identity or argument around something it opens up certain insults and comebacks. \nTate's whole thing is trying to act like this \"alpha male\" when in reality he's a sex trafficking weirdo who pays women to hang out with him. It's totally fine to insult him with a childish insult. \nI also find that people worried or mad about this don't actually care about body image issues. They just want a gotcha moment for people. Because many would have shitty takes about fat people or whine about pc culture.",
">\n\nWhen you call some MF that doesn't necessarily mean you are a MF... I'm not saying it's okay to say abusing words but we still do use them.\nI don't think she said it in literal terms, it was completely literary. Also she only said it cause it was Tate who she said it to. Also if a woman has small tits and someone said to someone else that they have small tits energy, I don't think one who actually has small tits would mind it, cause she is not involved and it's kinda perfect way of irritating Tate.. cause he really cares about these things. \nWhen it comes to increasing the insecurity of someone who actually has small D and is insecure about it... She couldn't think so far cause all she wanted was to irritate Tate and she was successful",
">\n\nI don't think it even irritated him if that was her goal but definitely helped him with popularity. It just proves what he says people think of insecure men, it just moves them to him and he gains more influence. It was an ignorant reply in poor taste. Someone with much following and influence as Greta shouldn't be as irresponsible and the followers shouldn't be having to do mental gymnastics to defend her instead of seeing it as it is: body shaming against men.",
">\n\nIs this some kind of weird meta-game? Are Andrew Tate fans pretending to actually be offended by this stupid insult to prove a point? Does anybody actually think her retort was any sharper than a brick wrapped in a wet blanket?\nWhat is going on here?!",
">\n\n\nWhat is going on here?!\n\nAndrew Tate fans have a lot of small dick energy. That's whats going on.",
">\n\nWhy are people not allowed dislike tate (he's an absolute idiot and a grifter) and also to criticize obvious body shaming from a supposed progressive? If Biden started talking about \"N*gger energy\" criticizing Kanye for antisemitism, would that be ok in your eyes? Would you say that a black guy who doesn't like that must be an angry Kanye fan? Or is it disgustingly offensive towards all African Americans to use that type of language no matter what?",
">\n\nBecause it suits their narrative to frame it as if people are just defending tate. It's easier than just actually defending body shaming. Done deal.",
">\n\nI think Greta used that phrase not because she actually believes or wants to promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior, but because people like Andrew Tate believe and promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior. If Andrew Tate gets hurt because Greta says he has small dick energy, then maybe -- just maybe, with the tiniest bit of introspection -- he'll come to realize how hateful some of his language is.\nBullies like Andrew Tate don't really respond to logic or pleas for sympathy. The only way to maybe make them understand the hurt they cause is to inflict it on them, because they don't care about anyone but themselves. \nSo instead of putting the cart before the horse and blaming Greta for using an offensive phrase as an argumentative tactic, maybe blame the people who use the phrase to actually demean people.",
">\n\nCan we substitute fat instead and be justified?",
">\n\nYes people did that with Trump when he claimed to be the fittest person ever basically. If someone has a habit of insulting people a certain way or making certain claims then they open themselves up to specific insults. \nSometimes we'd find those insults not tasteful if said to other people. But I feel like most people equating this to fat insults don't actually care about fat people. A lot of people would also be like oh things are getting too pc or soft or woke when it comes to body positivity towards fat people. So for me it's hard to buy this line of reasoning as being truly valid or caring.",
">\n\nNo one said it has to be authentic caring. This sub is for exploring the intellectual arguments. Your perception of how authentic someone’s feelings towards fat people is basically irrelevant. Argue the point or don’t. Passing your authenticity test is a wierd standard to try to argue for.",
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">\n\nYes, making insults is offensive. That's the point.\nInsults that reference a body part are also offensive to people who are insecure about that body part. That's also kinda obvious.\nWhat do you want your mind changed about here? I'm unclear about what you think can be discussed about an insult meant to be insulting. Are you arguing that this insult is especially wrong in some way?\nHow is this not just you soapboxing?",
">\n\nThere's a reason as a society we don't use insults like \"retard\". This is in the same vein. You're attributing a negative thing with a man having a small penis. This is harmful as it perpetuates the stigma surrounding penis size which is outside ones control. Essentially it degrades a group of people who have nothing to do with it. OP wants to know whether or not this is reconciled. Reading the comments... It has not been. \nMaking gendered insults doesn't bother me truthfully but I can understand the frustration OP is expressing because were it to be a man making some edgy reference to a woman's lady parts being inadequate as a way to demean them then everyone would be outraged as opposed to cheering it on.",
">\n\nUsing “small dick” as an insult, or “loose pussy” isn’t really offensive unless you are insecure about the physical viability of your reproductive organs. \nBut, that doesn’t make it funny. It’s a really juvenile and uncreative way of ridiculing someone.",
">\n\nInsecure women are offended when they're fat shamed.\nIt's still body shaming.\nIt's still wrong.",
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">\n\nGuy randomly decides to flex on her by saying I HAVE CARS AND I LIKE TO GO VROOOOM. It's like when Piers decides that it's absolutely important to eat meat in front of vegans. It's not about penis size. It's just that smalldickenergy is a perfect explanation of why would someone decide to behave like this.",
">\n\nShe is 19. Maybe in a few years she will have more mature insults. It’s a lot of pressure to be put on someone so young to also say the perfect thing all the time",
">\n\nUnder nearly all circumstances, I agree with you.\nHowever, for a lot of people who have built a cult of personality around any given ideal, insults of the inoffensive type are completely commonplace. All they have to do is fend off one or two instances of this PG rated attacks, strawman them, call them snowflakes, and their following is bolstered and enhanced. Instead of having any negative effect, it becomes part of their inherent power.\nSometimes if you want to rattle a cult leader you have to hit with precision their most critical weakness and watch them implode. The fact that Tate is squirming so hard and doing everything he can to reclaim some of his dignity after Greta's clapback means that she has his number. Great isn't saying that having a small dick is bad, but knowing that Tate's entire personality is built about being an alpha male and that calling into question the size of his member will hurt him the most is what she was after. \nOf course, it wasn't classy and could be offensive to some. But as the saying goes, sometimes you have to fight fire with fire.",
">\n\nReally is he squirming? \nHe's rich he's popular and now he's gotten someone he disagrees with to repeat his ideology and platform spreading it to a wider audience. \nI'd argue he's happy for the attention and popularity that she's given to him now and enjoying the increased sales in his business as more men who feel marginalized and left out join him seeing this hypocrisy playing out. Not to mention all the political players( internationally) who were against climate action seeing all this and aligning themselves appropriately, possibly propping him up and making him something more than what he actually is- An ignorant troll. \nEngage with a troll and you only give them more power. The tweet was dumb and people should know better.\nEdit: spacing",
">\n\nI'm not commenting on whether or not his fans will like him more or if the controversy will inadvertently grant him a wider audience. \nI'm commenting that Greta knew exactly where and how to hit him the hardest. Yes, he is definitely squirming. He has scrambled out half a dozen prepubescent \"I know you are but what am I\" tweets. Then he went and made the absolute cringiest response video. He's incensed by being talked down to by Greta and is overcompensating. \nDid her tweet have any net positive effect on society? No. Did it ruffle Tate's feathers and make his blood boil? Yea. Would he have even cared if she called him a misogynistic prick? Absolutely not. He would have just told her to sit down and shut up, that misogyny is made up by inferior women blah blah blah...\nInstead, his insecurities are eating him alive.",
">\n\nWhy even respond and give him attention that he so desperately craves? And why body shame men in the process? \nIf she didn't have a better insult she could have just went on with her life instead of helping him grow. Using \"small dick energy\" as an insult means implicitly we agree that people with small penises are inferior and undesirable. That's basically what Tate is on about ( Toxic masculinity). And by laughing at her tweet we all reinforce that perception. Do you get that? \nSick of double standards and hypocrisy. At least people should have the courage to own up and acknowledge it then move on instead of doubling down and performing mental gymnastics to justify an obvious case of body shaming.\nI agree with you on one thing that the net effect on society because of this tweet exchange is negative and only serves the people who Greta and her followers hate.",
">\n\nI think you are missing what I am saying. I fully agree that it wasn't necessary nor was it the right thing for Greta to do. I also agree that it just gives him attention and was overall a useless venture other for the entertainment of Tate haters.\nOP asked why it is okay. I stated that it isn't okay but that I understand why Greta took that road rather than the suggested non-offensive approach. It is because he's immune to it. What he isn't immune to is his masculinity and ego being questioned. What is the point of the Wolf continuing to blow on the brick house? None. To get to the scared little piggies inside he needs a jackhammer. \nAnd it worked exactly how she planned it to. He was rattled and anyone who hates Tate is amused. \nNot saying it's the right thing to do, nor do I want anyone to feel ashamed of the size of their penis.",
">\n\nOk.. thanks for elaborating on that. I misunderstood your comment as a disagreement and engaged to try and change your mind but seems we share the same view.",
">\n\nYou do not know what Greta is \"fully aware\" of. She is referring to character and behaviour, why are you taking this personally? She isn't speaking to you, hasn't seen you, doesn't know you. I don't know why you are externalizing your issue like this and waving it around in public, is it our responsibility to fix this for you?\nShe was just making a tiny joke. Relax. smalldickenergy @ getalife .com is hilarious.",
">\n\nAside from everything else, it's men who started the 'big dick energy' idiocy so to then complain when someone uses their own stupidity against them...",
">\n\nYeah because men are a monolith and we all meet in a room and know each other smh.",
">\n\nThey’re saying it’s offensive to more than just Andrew Tate",
">\n\nYeah but again, ISN'T THE PURPOSE",
">\n\nWhat do you mean again? You didn’t say that before. And why does the purpose matter? You can do a bad thing without meaning to.",
">\n\nI meant to say isn't that the purpose lol mb",
">\n\nOh lol I probably should have realized that. But I think the point of the insult was to offend Andrew Tate.",
">\n\nFair. Trying to not say anything about him one way or another so I don't get downvoted to hell.",
">\n\nGreta lost that argument. She literally has like a hundred things Tate has said and done she could attack. Easy target... The one thing she chose to do is to body shame the man. It's just name calling. It's not a refutation of Tate. If anything it makes her sound stupid for her inability to come up with a refutation.",
">\n\nExactly. But people are just cheering her on and laughing along without grasping the nuance of the situation.",
">\n\nI think you are kinda missing the point. People know it offensive. The issue is that they don't care.",
">\n\nPeople used to make fun of small tits all the time. Remember the 90s? Remember the itty bitty titty committee? I don't know if that's a thing any more, but skinny women with no butts are definitely not seen as attractive. It's not fair. It's not their fault. People need to stop shaming themselves and eachother, and accept all bodies. Until then, \"small dick energy\" won't cease to be an insult. I guess the difference is people are sort of \"punching up\" since it's always been people with dicks who have the power in this world. I've never heard a dude say that another dude has \"small dick energy.\" It's always a woman saying that. Either way I think it's dumb but I get it. I've always thought \"Karen\" was a dumb insult too. Not someone's fault they were named Karen, LOL.",
">\n\nAndrew insulted her. He was asking for this insult. She was totally in the right. She wasn’t trying to shame anyone else. You’re asking for this insult too.",
">\n\nIsn't it more offensive for small pp folk, that there is a guy who base his entire existence on top of an argument that being an alpha, prime male is the most important thing in the world, and you need to be a testosterone bomb gorilla to have any kind of value. Isn't that argument disregards small dick guys in the first place?",
">\n\nAnd Greta just reinforced it with her reply. Do you see the problem now?\nEdit:replaced \"comment\" with \"reply\"",
">\n\nI believe I've already made a statement about what the problem is.",
">\n\nThen do you understand why Greta's reply is offensive and playing into Andrew Tate's hands?",
">\n\nLol this is twitter. There is no playing into each other's hands. Get outside.",
">\n\nOh look. Greta is human. Someone who spent a lot of her growing up time trying to educate people.\nIf she was in a bar and some doofus made a pass, she's just asserting herself. Age and context. Good on her."
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"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult.",
">\n\nIt's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh.",
">\n\nHonestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV",
">\n\nPeople can make mistakes and this was one of them.. so we can all just criticize her reply fairly and move on. No need for acute mental gymnastics to defend her as this comments section is showing lmao.",
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">\n\nI don't think anyone is arguing it's not offensive. I'm pretty sure she was trying to offend insecure men. Apparently with great success.",
">\n\nShe was trying to offend men who were insecure about their body image?\nHow is that not body shaming?",
">\n\nIt is, but we playing the avoidance and rationalization game",
">\n\nbecause women invented \"small dick energy\"\nharsh, sad. but we go jim🗿",
">\n\nOP never mentioned women tho. Post is strictly about why it's offensive. Do you disagree that it's not offensive or you think it's a trivial matter to make fun of that men's mental health doesn't matter as much?",
">\n\nThe female equivalent is\n\"Loose Pussy Energy\".\nThe typical man-hate hypocrisy commonly going around is beyond obvious. And it is an attack on All men and boys not just some.",
">\n\nNot a disagreement per se, but also worth noting that it’s transphobic. Which is to say, it insults all men by reinforcing patriarchy and punching down to two groups of men.",
">\n\nShe said small dick energy. Not that he had a small dick (though, come on). She used that phrase BECAUSE it's Tate. She's not a moron.\nHe is, as evidenced by his life to this point and his two responses to Thunberg, which were epically pathetic, is a moron and didn't seem to get it, though he doesn't get a lot.",
">\n\nThis is worse than saying he has a small dick, because how would she know, and that would just be dismissed as stupid.\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\nI can't understand the mental gymnastics some people are doing to try and say this isn't body shaming.",
">\n\n\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\n\nI mean yeah -- kind of like how pussy is an insult denoting cowardice, cunt is an insult meaning basically, terrible, etc., \nShe used that on purpose. Are you making CMV every time you see someone calling someone else a pussy?",
">\n\nPussy is kind of already known to be a shitty gendered insult so it doesn't need a CMV. In this case, Greta's gendered \"having a small penis is bad\" tweet is massively amplified, reached r/all on a shitload of subs, etc. so some discussion about whether or not that is cool is warranted",
">\n\nSmall dick energy isn’t about having a small dick tho. It’s a reflection of an attitude that men who are offensive, aggressive, nasty to people are overcompensating for their insecurities. A small dick doesn’t mean you won’t be able to find a partner or that you’re any less of a man. Being a downright trash bag of a human to others, like in this instance where an internet edgelord is cyber bullying a teenager on the internet who is fighting for the survival of our planet/humanity is an example of this trash behavior, is more of a determining factor. \nYou can also have a small dick but have big dick energy, as it’s reflective of who you are as a person. It’s an attitude. It’s who you choose to be to yourself and others. Hell, there’s women who use the term that they have big dick energy and I can tell you those women’s dicks are none existent so therefore size isn’t a thing. \nNo one should be made fun of for something they had no control over. The worth of a man is not tied to the size of his penis. Although, toxic masculinity and shallow people will tell you different. They say the same for disabled people, fat people etc. There’s plenty of people who are not “conventional standards of beauty” which is the majority of us, that lead happy, healthy relationships. Those relationships start with yourself and understanding your worth as a person isn’t tied to what you look like or how big your junk is. \nThe point is if you choose to be a trash person like Tate, where your self worth is tied into how cruel/offensive you can be to other people, don’t be mad if people call you out for that trashy attitude. Your post definitely reeks of “men are the true victims” when clearly you didn’t seem to have a problem with a grown man cyber bullying a teenager.",
">\n\nI like how you imply that OP is a fan of a literal human trafficker because they point out that a body-shaming insult is body-shaming. Do you understand why associating a trait of someone's body with negative personality traits is bad?",
">\n\nNo because people like this always have exceptions that allow them to use the things they complain about. Cognitive gymnastics allows them to recognise shaming women and people of colour is bad, because society will eat them otherwise, but when someone shows up who deserves a bit of a roasting all of their social etiquette rules go out the window and the excuses come out as to why in this context it doesn't count.\n\"Ahh no, here it is a reflection of an attitude\" blah blah 3 paragraphs later and we've clouded over the simple fact that body shaming is body shaming and harms people you weren't intending to insult.",
">\n\nPeople like this? You’re assuming things about me because I am a character in your mind not a real person. I am not a monolith. We should not be body shaming people. I am explaining the other side of this issue and why people use these terms. You never asked if I use these same terms in my life. You assumed I do. I don’t. You didn’t even bother to read my response because if you did you would have realized this.",
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">\n\nYou can have smol pp but big pp energy and vice versa",
">\n\nSo why is the phrase small dick energy if it has nothing to do with having a small dick?",
">\n\nIdk man, I just work here.",
">\n\nYou know why. Lol cause small dick is associated with bad. And by insulting dicks you use this knowledge to offend, at the cost of body shaming people. \nStop feigning dumb just to avoid the reasoning lol",
">\n\nI can see how it would be offensive, and I wouldn’t use it myself. I feel like the phrase refers more to how someone acts as opposed to how they are endowed. And how it’s behavior and actions that make people think down of you not your penis.",
">\n\nPoint is that we, as a society, should encourage better insults that attack the comments of the person without necessarily having to equate it to something someone with a small dick.",
">\n\nWould you agree with me, that if Andrew clapped back with one of those that the internet would be up in arms about it?",
">\n\nYou mean the way that you are, here, on the internet, up in arms?",
">\n\nIm one person on reddit, theres no major backlash like there would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\nSee, what's happening here is that you are also looking at people who are \"one person on Reddit\" and pretending it's a major backlash. Andrew Tate says fucked up things about women all the time (in fact, it's kind of his whole schtick) and it's as much of a non-event as this is.",
">\n\nPlease link me to something fucked up hes said about women, and ill agree with you, two wrongs don't make a right.",
">\n\nHere's exhibit A.",
">\n\nSure I agree with you he has said fucked up stuff about women, it doesn't mean its okay to make a joke about small dick energy.\nDo you understand my point?",
">\n\nWe understand, it's just that your point is fucking stupid",
">\n\nYou have no idea what his point is, it's funny that people on this thread OP and others actually like Andrew Tate.\nIt proves that everyone is completely frothingly tribalistic with zero nuance.",
">\n\nIf someone is behaving insufferably, people are going to laugh at them for things that they wouldn’t find funny if it happened to someone they liked.\nFor example, is it funny when people go bankrupt? No. Would it be funny if someone like Andrew Tate went bankrupt after boasting about Bugattis and all of his mass wealth? Yes. This doesn’t mean people who would make fun of him for that are making fun of poverty or all people who lose their livelihoods, it would just be funny if it happened to that particular person. \nIn the same way, the idea that Tate does all the douchey, over the top macho things that he does in order to compensate for having a small penis is funny, whilst it not being funny to make fun of every person who has a small penis.",
">\n\nSubstitute fat. Is that ok?",
">\n\nDepends on what the fat person is doing. If the person is minding their own business then no, if the fat person is attacking other people’s appearances then yeah go for it.",
">\n\nInteresting take. Might want to play with that a bit. A lot of situations where your reasoning falls apart.",
">\n\nPeople insulted Trump for being fat when he tried to say he was like the most fit person ever. People make fun of Elon Musk's body. You can make the same type of insult to two different people and it come off two different ways. \nWhen you make your identity or argument around something it opens up certain insults and comebacks. \nTate's whole thing is trying to act like this \"alpha male\" when in reality he's a sex trafficking weirdo who pays women to hang out with him. It's totally fine to insult him with a childish insult. \nI also find that people worried or mad about this don't actually care about body image issues. They just want a gotcha moment for people. Because many would have shitty takes about fat people or whine about pc culture.",
">\n\nWhen you call some MF that doesn't necessarily mean you are a MF... I'm not saying it's okay to say abusing words but we still do use them.\nI don't think she said it in literal terms, it was completely literary. Also she only said it cause it was Tate who she said it to. Also if a woman has small tits and someone said to someone else that they have small tits energy, I don't think one who actually has small tits would mind it, cause she is not involved and it's kinda perfect way of irritating Tate.. cause he really cares about these things. \nWhen it comes to increasing the insecurity of someone who actually has small D and is insecure about it... She couldn't think so far cause all she wanted was to irritate Tate and she was successful",
">\n\nI don't think it even irritated him if that was her goal but definitely helped him with popularity. It just proves what he says people think of insecure men, it just moves them to him and he gains more influence. It was an ignorant reply in poor taste. Someone with much following and influence as Greta shouldn't be as irresponsible and the followers shouldn't be having to do mental gymnastics to defend her instead of seeing it as it is: body shaming against men.",
">\n\nIs this some kind of weird meta-game? Are Andrew Tate fans pretending to actually be offended by this stupid insult to prove a point? Does anybody actually think her retort was any sharper than a brick wrapped in a wet blanket?\nWhat is going on here?!",
">\n\n\nWhat is going on here?!\n\nAndrew Tate fans have a lot of small dick energy. That's whats going on.",
">\n\nWhy are people not allowed dislike tate (he's an absolute idiot and a grifter) and also to criticize obvious body shaming from a supposed progressive? If Biden started talking about \"N*gger energy\" criticizing Kanye for antisemitism, would that be ok in your eyes? Would you say that a black guy who doesn't like that must be an angry Kanye fan? Or is it disgustingly offensive towards all African Americans to use that type of language no matter what?",
">\n\nBecause it suits their narrative to frame it as if people are just defending tate. It's easier than just actually defending body shaming. Done deal.",
">\n\nI think Greta used that phrase not because she actually believes or wants to promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior, but because people like Andrew Tate believe and promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior. If Andrew Tate gets hurt because Greta says he has small dick energy, then maybe -- just maybe, with the tiniest bit of introspection -- he'll come to realize how hateful some of his language is.\nBullies like Andrew Tate don't really respond to logic or pleas for sympathy. The only way to maybe make them understand the hurt they cause is to inflict it on them, because they don't care about anyone but themselves. \nSo instead of putting the cart before the horse and blaming Greta for using an offensive phrase as an argumentative tactic, maybe blame the people who use the phrase to actually demean people.",
">\n\nCan we substitute fat instead and be justified?",
">\n\nYes people did that with Trump when he claimed to be the fittest person ever basically. If someone has a habit of insulting people a certain way or making certain claims then they open themselves up to specific insults. \nSometimes we'd find those insults not tasteful if said to other people. But I feel like most people equating this to fat insults don't actually care about fat people. A lot of people would also be like oh things are getting too pc or soft or woke when it comes to body positivity towards fat people. So for me it's hard to buy this line of reasoning as being truly valid or caring.",
">\n\nNo one said it has to be authentic caring. This sub is for exploring the intellectual arguments. Your perception of how authentic someone’s feelings towards fat people is basically irrelevant. Argue the point or don’t. Passing your authenticity test is a wierd standard to try to argue for.",
">\n\nSorry, u/AlternativeFukts – your comment has been removed for breaking Rule 5: \n\nComments must contribute meaningfully to the conversation. \n\nComments should be on-topic, serious, and contain enough content to move the discussion forward. Jokes, contradictions without explanation, links without context, off-topic comments, and \"written upvotes\" will be removed. Read the wiki for more information. \nIf you would like to appeal, review our appeals process here, then message the moderators by clicking this link within one week of this notice being posted.",
">\n\nYes, making insults is offensive. That's the point.\nInsults that reference a body part are also offensive to people who are insecure about that body part. That's also kinda obvious.\nWhat do you want your mind changed about here? I'm unclear about what you think can be discussed about an insult meant to be insulting. Are you arguing that this insult is especially wrong in some way?\nHow is this not just you soapboxing?",
">\n\nThere's a reason as a society we don't use insults like \"retard\". This is in the same vein. You're attributing a negative thing with a man having a small penis. This is harmful as it perpetuates the stigma surrounding penis size which is outside ones control. Essentially it degrades a group of people who have nothing to do with it. OP wants to know whether or not this is reconciled. Reading the comments... It has not been. \nMaking gendered insults doesn't bother me truthfully but I can understand the frustration OP is expressing because were it to be a man making some edgy reference to a woman's lady parts being inadequate as a way to demean them then everyone would be outraged as opposed to cheering it on.",
">\n\nUsing “small dick” as an insult, or “loose pussy” isn’t really offensive unless you are insecure about the physical viability of your reproductive organs. \nBut, that doesn’t make it funny. It’s a really juvenile and uncreative way of ridiculing someone.",
">\n\nInsecure women are offended when they're fat shamed.\nIt's still body shaming.\nIt's still wrong.",
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">\n\nGuy randomly decides to flex on her by saying I HAVE CARS AND I LIKE TO GO VROOOOM. It's like when Piers decides that it's absolutely important to eat meat in front of vegans. It's not about penis size. It's just that smalldickenergy is a perfect explanation of why would someone decide to behave like this.",
">\n\nShe is 19. Maybe in a few years she will have more mature insults. It’s a lot of pressure to be put on someone so young to also say the perfect thing all the time",
">\n\nUnder nearly all circumstances, I agree with you.\nHowever, for a lot of people who have built a cult of personality around any given ideal, insults of the inoffensive type are completely commonplace. All they have to do is fend off one or two instances of this PG rated attacks, strawman them, call them snowflakes, and their following is bolstered and enhanced. Instead of having any negative effect, it becomes part of their inherent power.\nSometimes if you want to rattle a cult leader you have to hit with precision their most critical weakness and watch them implode. The fact that Tate is squirming so hard and doing everything he can to reclaim some of his dignity after Greta's clapback means that she has his number. Great isn't saying that having a small dick is bad, but knowing that Tate's entire personality is built about being an alpha male and that calling into question the size of his member will hurt him the most is what she was after. \nOf course, it wasn't classy and could be offensive to some. But as the saying goes, sometimes you have to fight fire with fire.",
">\n\nReally is he squirming? \nHe's rich he's popular and now he's gotten someone he disagrees with to repeat his ideology and platform spreading it to a wider audience. \nI'd argue he's happy for the attention and popularity that she's given to him now and enjoying the increased sales in his business as more men who feel marginalized and left out join him seeing this hypocrisy playing out. Not to mention all the political players( internationally) who were against climate action seeing all this and aligning themselves appropriately, possibly propping him up and making him something more than what he actually is- An ignorant troll. \nEngage with a troll and you only give them more power. The tweet was dumb and people should know better.\nEdit: spacing",
">\n\nI'm not commenting on whether or not his fans will like him more or if the controversy will inadvertently grant him a wider audience. \nI'm commenting that Greta knew exactly where and how to hit him the hardest. Yes, he is definitely squirming. He has scrambled out half a dozen prepubescent \"I know you are but what am I\" tweets. Then he went and made the absolute cringiest response video. He's incensed by being talked down to by Greta and is overcompensating. \nDid her tweet have any net positive effect on society? No. Did it ruffle Tate's feathers and make his blood boil? Yea. Would he have even cared if she called him a misogynistic prick? Absolutely not. He would have just told her to sit down and shut up, that misogyny is made up by inferior women blah blah blah...\nInstead, his insecurities are eating him alive.",
">\n\nWhy even respond and give him attention that he so desperately craves? And why body shame men in the process? \nIf she didn't have a better insult she could have just went on with her life instead of helping him grow. Using \"small dick energy\" as an insult means implicitly we agree that people with small penises are inferior and undesirable. That's basically what Tate is on about ( Toxic masculinity). And by laughing at her tweet we all reinforce that perception. Do you get that? \nSick of double standards and hypocrisy. At least people should have the courage to own up and acknowledge it then move on instead of doubling down and performing mental gymnastics to justify an obvious case of body shaming.\nI agree with you on one thing that the net effect on society because of this tweet exchange is negative and only serves the people who Greta and her followers hate.",
">\n\nI think you are missing what I am saying. I fully agree that it wasn't necessary nor was it the right thing for Greta to do. I also agree that it just gives him attention and was overall a useless venture other for the entertainment of Tate haters.\nOP asked why it is okay. I stated that it isn't okay but that I understand why Greta took that road rather than the suggested non-offensive approach. It is because he's immune to it. What he isn't immune to is his masculinity and ego being questioned. What is the point of the Wolf continuing to blow on the brick house? None. To get to the scared little piggies inside he needs a jackhammer. \nAnd it worked exactly how she planned it to. He was rattled and anyone who hates Tate is amused. \nNot saying it's the right thing to do, nor do I want anyone to feel ashamed of the size of their penis.",
">\n\nOk.. thanks for elaborating on that. I misunderstood your comment as a disagreement and engaged to try and change your mind but seems we share the same view.",
">\n\nYou do not know what Greta is \"fully aware\" of. She is referring to character and behaviour, why are you taking this personally? She isn't speaking to you, hasn't seen you, doesn't know you. I don't know why you are externalizing your issue like this and waving it around in public, is it our responsibility to fix this for you?\nShe was just making a tiny joke. Relax. smalldickenergy @ getalife .com is hilarious.",
">\n\nAside from everything else, it's men who started the 'big dick energy' idiocy so to then complain when someone uses their own stupidity against them...",
">\n\nYeah because men are a monolith and we all meet in a room and know each other smh.",
">\n\nThey’re saying it’s offensive to more than just Andrew Tate",
">\n\nYeah but again, ISN'T THE PURPOSE",
">\n\nWhat do you mean again? You didn’t say that before. And why does the purpose matter? You can do a bad thing without meaning to.",
">\n\nI meant to say isn't that the purpose lol mb",
">\n\nOh lol I probably should have realized that. But I think the point of the insult was to offend Andrew Tate.",
">\n\nFair. Trying to not say anything about him one way or another so I don't get downvoted to hell.",
">\n\nGreta lost that argument. She literally has like a hundred things Tate has said and done she could attack. Easy target... The one thing she chose to do is to body shame the man. It's just name calling. It's not a refutation of Tate. If anything it makes her sound stupid for her inability to come up with a refutation.",
">\n\nExactly. But people are just cheering her on and laughing along without grasping the nuance of the situation.",
">\n\nI think you are kinda missing the point. People know it offensive. The issue is that they don't care.",
">\n\nPeople used to make fun of small tits all the time. Remember the 90s? Remember the itty bitty titty committee? I don't know if that's a thing any more, but skinny women with no butts are definitely not seen as attractive. It's not fair. It's not their fault. People need to stop shaming themselves and eachother, and accept all bodies. Until then, \"small dick energy\" won't cease to be an insult. I guess the difference is people are sort of \"punching up\" since it's always been people with dicks who have the power in this world. I've never heard a dude say that another dude has \"small dick energy.\" It's always a woman saying that. Either way I think it's dumb but I get it. I've always thought \"Karen\" was a dumb insult too. Not someone's fault they were named Karen, LOL.",
">\n\nAndrew insulted her. He was asking for this insult. She was totally in the right. She wasn’t trying to shame anyone else. You’re asking for this insult too.",
">\n\nIsn't it more offensive for small pp folk, that there is a guy who base his entire existence on top of an argument that being an alpha, prime male is the most important thing in the world, and you need to be a testosterone bomb gorilla to have any kind of value. Isn't that argument disregards small dick guys in the first place?",
">\n\nAnd Greta just reinforced it with her reply. Do you see the problem now?\nEdit:replaced \"comment\" with \"reply\"",
">\n\nI believe I've already made a statement about what the problem is.",
">\n\nThen do you understand why Greta's reply is offensive and playing into Andrew Tate's hands?",
">\n\nLol this is twitter. There is no playing into each other's hands. Get outside.",
">\n\nOh look. Greta is human. Someone who spent a lot of her growing up time trying to educate people.\nIf she was in a bar and some doofus made a pass, she's just asserting herself. Age and context. Good on her.",
">\n\nIt is actually been studied. Men with small penises actually do have less energy- testosterone or something."
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"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult.",
">\n\nIt's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh.",
">\n\nHonestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV",
">\n\nPeople can make mistakes and this was one of them.. so we can all just criticize her reply fairly and move on. No need for acute mental gymnastics to defend her as this comments section is showing lmao.",
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">\n\nI don't think anyone is arguing it's not offensive. I'm pretty sure she was trying to offend insecure men. Apparently with great success.",
">\n\nShe was trying to offend men who were insecure about their body image?\nHow is that not body shaming?",
">\n\nIt is, but we playing the avoidance and rationalization game",
">\n\nbecause women invented \"small dick energy\"\nharsh, sad. but we go jim🗿",
">\n\nOP never mentioned women tho. Post is strictly about why it's offensive. Do you disagree that it's not offensive or you think it's a trivial matter to make fun of that men's mental health doesn't matter as much?",
">\n\nThe female equivalent is\n\"Loose Pussy Energy\".\nThe typical man-hate hypocrisy commonly going around is beyond obvious. And it is an attack on All men and boys not just some.",
">\n\nNot a disagreement per se, but also worth noting that it’s transphobic. Which is to say, it insults all men by reinforcing patriarchy and punching down to two groups of men.",
">\n\nShe said small dick energy. Not that he had a small dick (though, come on). She used that phrase BECAUSE it's Tate. She's not a moron.\nHe is, as evidenced by his life to this point and his two responses to Thunberg, which were epically pathetic, is a moron and didn't seem to get it, though he doesn't get a lot.",
">\n\nThis is worse than saying he has a small dick, because how would she know, and that would just be dismissed as stupid.\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\nI can't understand the mental gymnastics some people are doing to try and say this isn't body shaming.",
">\n\n\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\n\nI mean yeah -- kind of like how pussy is an insult denoting cowardice, cunt is an insult meaning basically, terrible, etc., \nShe used that on purpose. Are you making CMV every time you see someone calling someone else a pussy?",
">\n\nPussy is kind of already known to be a shitty gendered insult so it doesn't need a CMV. In this case, Greta's gendered \"having a small penis is bad\" tweet is massively amplified, reached r/all on a shitload of subs, etc. so some discussion about whether or not that is cool is warranted",
">\n\nSmall dick energy isn’t about having a small dick tho. It’s a reflection of an attitude that men who are offensive, aggressive, nasty to people are overcompensating for their insecurities. A small dick doesn’t mean you won’t be able to find a partner or that you’re any less of a man. Being a downright trash bag of a human to others, like in this instance where an internet edgelord is cyber bullying a teenager on the internet who is fighting for the survival of our planet/humanity is an example of this trash behavior, is more of a determining factor. \nYou can also have a small dick but have big dick energy, as it’s reflective of who you are as a person. It’s an attitude. It’s who you choose to be to yourself and others. Hell, there’s women who use the term that they have big dick energy and I can tell you those women’s dicks are none existent so therefore size isn’t a thing. \nNo one should be made fun of for something they had no control over. The worth of a man is not tied to the size of his penis. Although, toxic masculinity and shallow people will tell you different. They say the same for disabled people, fat people etc. There’s plenty of people who are not “conventional standards of beauty” which is the majority of us, that lead happy, healthy relationships. Those relationships start with yourself and understanding your worth as a person isn’t tied to what you look like or how big your junk is. \nThe point is if you choose to be a trash person like Tate, where your self worth is tied into how cruel/offensive you can be to other people, don’t be mad if people call you out for that trashy attitude. Your post definitely reeks of “men are the true victims” when clearly you didn’t seem to have a problem with a grown man cyber bullying a teenager.",
">\n\nI like how you imply that OP is a fan of a literal human trafficker because they point out that a body-shaming insult is body-shaming. Do you understand why associating a trait of someone's body with negative personality traits is bad?",
">\n\nNo because people like this always have exceptions that allow them to use the things they complain about. Cognitive gymnastics allows them to recognise shaming women and people of colour is bad, because society will eat them otherwise, but when someone shows up who deserves a bit of a roasting all of their social etiquette rules go out the window and the excuses come out as to why in this context it doesn't count.\n\"Ahh no, here it is a reflection of an attitude\" blah blah 3 paragraphs later and we've clouded over the simple fact that body shaming is body shaming and harms people you weren't intending to insult.",
">\n\nPeople like this? You’re assuming things about me because I am a character in your mind not a real person. I am not a monolith. We should not be body shaming people. I am explaining the other side of this issue and why people use these terms. You never asked if I use these same terms in my life. You assumed I do. I don’t. You didn’t even bother to read my response because if you did you would have realized this.",
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">\n\nYou can have smol pp but big pp energy and vice versa",
">\n\nSo why is the phrase small dick energy if it has nothing to do with having a small dick?",
">\n\nIdk man, I just work here.",
">\n\nYou know why. Lol cause small dick is associated with bad. And by insulting dicks you use this knowledge to offend, at the cost of body shaming people. \nStop feigning dumb just to avoid the reasoning lol",
">\n\nI can see how it would be offensive, and I wouldn’t use it myself. I feel like the phrase refers more to how someone acts as opposed to how they are endowed. And how it’s behavior and actions that make people think down of you not your penis.",
">\n\nPoint is that we, as a society, should encourage better insults that attack the comments of the person without necessarily having to equate it to something someone with a small dick.",
">\n\nWould you agree with me, that if Andrew clapped back with one of those that the internet would be up in arms about it?",
">\n\nYou mean the way that you are, here, on the internet, up in arms?",
">\n\nIm one person on reddit, theres no major backlash like there would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\nSee, what's happening here is that you are also looking at people who are \"one person on Reddit\" and pretending it's a major backlash. Andrew Tate says fucked up things about women all the time (in fact, it's kind of his whole schtick) and it's as much of a non-event as this is.",
">\n\nPlease link me to something fucked up hes said about women, and ill agree with you, two wrongs don't make a right.",
">\n\nHere's exhibit A.",
">\n\nSure I agree with you he has said fucked up stuff about women, it doesn't mean its okay to make a joke about small dick energy.\nDo you understand my point?",
">\n\nWe understand, it's just that your point is fucking stupid",
">\n\nYou have no idea what his point is, it's funny that people on this thread OP and others actually like Andrew Tate.\nIt proves that everyone is completely frothingly tribalistic with zero nuance.",
">\n\nIf someone is behaving insufferably, people are going to laugh at them for things that they wouldn’t find funny if it happened to someone they liked.\nFor example, is it funny when people go bankrupt? No. Would it be funny if someone like Andrew Tate went bankrupt after boasting about Bugattis and all of his mass wealth? Yes. This doesn’t mean people who would make fun of him for that are making fun of poverty or all people who lose their livelihoods, it would just be funny if it happened to that particular person. \nIn the same way, the idea that Tate does all the douchey, over the top macho things that he does in order to compensate for having a small penis is funny, whilst it not being funny to make fun of every person who has a small penis.",
">\n\nSubstitute fat. Is that ok?",
">\n\nDepends on what the fat person is doing. If the person is minding their own business then no, if the fat person is attacking other people’s appearances then yeah go for it.",
">\n\nInteresting take. Might want to play with that a bit. A lot of situations where your reasoning falls apart.",
">\n\nPeople insulted Trump for being fat when he tried to say he was like the most fit person ever. People make fun of Elon Musk's body. You can make the same type of insult to two different people and it come off two different ways. \nWhen you make your identity or argument around something it opens up certain insults and comebacks. \nTate's whole thing is trying to act like this \"alpha male\" when in reality he's a sex trafficking weirdo who pays women to hang out with him. It's totally fine to insult him with a childish insult. \nI also find that people worried or mad about this don't actually care about body image issues. They just want a gotcha moment for people. Because many would have shitty takes about fat people or whine about pc culture.",
">\n\nWhen you call some MF that doesn't necessarily mean you are a MF... I'm not saying it's okay to say abusing words but we still do use them.\nI don't think she said it in literal terms, it was completely literary. Also she only said it cause it was Tate who she said it to. Also if a woman has small tits and someone said to someone else that they have small tits energy, I don't think one who actually has small tits would mind it, cause she is not involved and it's kinda perfect way of irritating Tate.. cause he really cares about these things. \nWhen it comes to increasing the insecurity of someone who actually has small D and is insecure about it... She couldn't think so far cause all she wanted was to irritate Tate and she was successful",
">\n\nI don't think it even irritated him if that was her goal but definitely helped him with popularity. It just proves what he says people think of insecure men, it just moves them to him and he gains more influence. It was an ignorant reply in poor taste. Someone with much following and influence as Greta shouldn't be as irresponsible and the followers shouldn't be having to do mental gymnastics to defend her instead of seeing it as it is: body shaming against men.",
">\n\nIs this some kind of weird meta-game? Are Andrew Tate fans pretending to actually be offended by this stupid insult to prove a point? Does anybody actually think her retort was any sharper than a brick wrapped in a wet blanket?\nWhat is going on here?!",
">\n\n\nWhat is going on here?!\n\nAndrew Tate fans have a lot of small dick energy. That's whats going on.",
">\n\nWhy are people not allowed dislike tate (he's an absolute idiot and a grifter) and also to criticize obvious body shaming from a supposed progressive? If Biden started talking about \"N*gger energy\" criticizing Kanye for antisemitism, would that be ok in your eyes? Would you say that a black guy who doesn't like that must be an angry Kanye fan? Or is it disgustingly offensive towards all African Americans to use that type of language no matter what?",
">\n\nBecause it suits their narrative to frame it as if people are just defending tate. It's easier than just actually defending body shaming. Done deal.",
">\n\nI think Greta used that phrase not because she actually believes or wants to promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior, but because people like Andrew Tate believe and promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior. If Andrew Tate gets hurt because Greta says he has small dick energy, then maybe -- just maybe, with the tiniest bit of introspection -- he'll come to realize how hateful some of his language is.\nBullies like Andrew Tate don't really respond to logic or pleas for sympathy. The only way to maybe make them understand the hurt they cause is to inflict it on them, because they don't care about anyone but themselves. \nSo instead of putting the cart before the horse and blaming Greta for using an offensive phrase as an argumentative tactic, maybe blame the people who use the phrase to actually demean people.",
">\n\nCan we substitute fat instead and be justified?",
">\n\nYes people did that with Trump when he claimed to be the fittest person ever basically. If someone has a habit of insulting people a certain way or making certain claims then they open themselves up to specific insults. \nSometimes we'd find those insults not tasteful if said to other people. But I feel like most people equating this to fat insults don't actually care about fat people. A lot of people would also be like oh things are getting too pc or soft or woke when it comes to body positivity towards fat people. So for me it's hard to buy this line of reasoning as being truly valid or caring.",
">\n\nNo one said it has to be authentic caring. This sub is for exploring the intellectual arguments. Your perception of how authentic someone’s feelings towards fat people is basically irrelevant. Argue the point or don’t. Passing your authenticity test is a wierd standard to try to argue for.",
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">\n\nYes, making insults is offensive. That's the point.\nInsults that reference a body part are also offensive to people who are insecure about that body part. That's also kinda obvious.\nWhat do you want your mind changed about here? I'm unclear about what you think can be discussed about an insult meant to be insulting. Are you arguing that this insult is especially wrong in some way?\nHow is this not just you soapboxing?",
">\n\nThere's a reason as a society we don't use insults like \"retard\". This is in the same vein. You're attributing a negative thing with a man having a small penis. This is harmful as it perpetuates the stigma surrounding penis size which is outside ones control. Essentially it degrades a group of people who have nothing to do with it. OP wants to know whether or not this is reconciled. Reading the comments... It has not been. \nMaking gendered insults doesn't bother me truthfully but I can understand the frustration OP is expressing because were it to be a man making some edgy reference to a woman's lady parts being inadequate as a way to demean them then everyone would be outraged as opposed to cheering it on.",
">\n\nUsing “small dick” as an insult, or “loose pussy” isn’t really offensive unless you are insecure about the physical viability of your reproductive organs. \nBut, that doesn’t make it funny. It’s a really juvenile and uncreative way of ridiculing someone.",
">\n\nInsecure women are offended when they're fat shamed.\nIt's still body shaming.\nIt's still wrong.",
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">\n\nGuy randomly decides to flex on her by saying I HAVE CARS AND I LIKE TO GO VROOOOM. It's like when Piers decides that it's absolutely important to eat meat in front of vegans. It's not about penis size. It's just that smalldickenergy is a perfect explanation of why would someone decide to behave like this.",
">\n\nShe is 19. Maybe in a few years she will have more mature insults. It’s a lot of pressure to be put on someone so young to also say the perfect thing all the time",
">\n\nUnder nearly all circumstances, I agree with you.\nHowever, for a lot of people who have built a cult of personality around any given ideal, insults of the inoffensive type are completely commonplace. All they have to do is fend off one or two instances of this PG rated attacks, strawman them, call them snowflakes, and their following is bolstered and enhanced. Instead of having any negative effect, it becomes part of their inherent power.\nSometimes if you want to rattle a cult leader you have to hit with precision their most critical weakness and watch them implode. The fact that Tate is squirming so hard and doing everything he can to reclaim some of his dignity after Greta's clapback means that she has his number. Great isn't saying that having a small dick is bad, but knowing that Tate's entire personality is built about being an alpha male and that calling into question the size of his member will hurt him the most is what she was after. \nOf course, it wasn't classy and could be offensive to some. But as the saying goes, sometimes you have to fight fire with fire.",
">\n\nReally is he squirming? \nHe's rich he's popular and now he's gotten someone he disagrees with to repeat his ideology and platform spreading it to a wider audience. \nI'd argue he's happy for the attention and popularity that she's given to him now and enjoying the increased sales in his business as more men who feel marginalized and left out join him seeing this hypocrisy playing out. Not to mention all the political players( internationally) who were against climate action seeing all this and aligning themselves appropriately, possibly propping him up and making him something more than what he actually is- An ignorant troll. \nEngage with a troll and you only give them more power. The tweet was dumb and people should know better.\nEdit: spacing",
">\n\nI'm not commenting on whether or not his fans will like him more or if the controversy will inadvertently grant him a wider audience. \nI'm commenting that Greta knew exactly where and how to hit him the hardest. Yes, he is definitely squirming. He has scrambled out half a dozen prepubescent \"I know you are but what am I\" tweets. Then he went and made the absolute cringiest response video. He's incensed by being talked down to by Greta and is overcompensating. \nDid her tweet have any net positive effect on society? No. Did it ruffle Tate's feathers and make his blood boil? Yea. Would he have even cared if she called him a misogynistic prick? Absolutely not. He would have just told her to sit down and shut up, that misogyny is made up by inferior women blah blah blah...\nInstead, his insecurities are eating him alive.",
">\n\nWhy even respond and give him attention that he so desperately craves? And why body shame men in the process? \nIf she didn't have a better insult she could have just went on with her life instead of helping him grow. Using \"small dick energy\" as an insult means implicitly we agree that people with small penises are inferior and undesirable. That's basically what Tate is on about ( Toxic masculinity). And by laughing at her tweet we all reinforce that perception. Do you get that? \nSick of double standards and hypocrisy. At least people should have the courage to own up and acknowledge it then move on instead of doubling down and performing mental gymnastics to justify an obvious case of body shaming.\nI agree with you on one thing that the net effect on society because of this tweet exchange is negative and only serves the people who Greta and her followers hate.",
">\n\nI think you are missing what I am saying. I fully agree that it wasn't necessary nor was it the right thing for Greta to do. I also agree that it just gives him attention and was overall a useless venture other for the entertainment of Tate haters.\nOP asked why it is okay. I stated that it isn't okay but that I understand why Greta took that road rather than the suggested non-offensive approach. It is because he's immune to it. What he isn't immune to is his masculinity and ego being questioned. What is the point of the Wolf continuing to blow on the brick house? None. To get to the scared little piggies inside he needs a jackhammer. \nAnd it worked exactly how she planned it to. He was rattled and anyone who hates Tate is amused. \nNot saying it's the right thing to do, nor do I want anyone to feel ashamed of the size of their penis.",
">\n\nOk.. thanks for elaborating on that. I misunderstood your comment as a disagreement and engaged to try and change your mind but seems we share the same view.",
">\n\nYou do not know what Greta is \"fully aware\" of. She is referring to character and behaviour, why are you taking this personally? She isn't speaking to you, hasn't seen you, doesn't know you. I don't know why you are externalizing your issue like this and waving it around in public, is it our responsibility to fix this for you?\nShe was just making a tiny joke. Relax. smalldickenergy @ getalife .com is hilarious.",
">\n\nAside from everything else, it's men who started the 'big dick energy' idiocy so to then complain when someone uses their own stupidity against them...",
">\n\nYeah because men are a monolith and we all meet in a room and know each other smh.",
">\n\nThey’re saying it’s offensive to more than just Andrew Tate",
">\n\nYeah but again, ISN'T THE PURPOSE",
">\n\nWhat do you mean again? You didn’t say that before. And why does the purpose matter? You can do a bad thing without meaning to.",
">\n\nI meant to say isn't that the purpose lol mb",
">\n\nOh lol I probably should have realized that. But I think the point of the insult was to offend Andrew Tate.",
">\n\nFair. Trying to not say anything about him one way or another so I don't get downvoted to hell.",
">\n\nGreta lost that argument. She literally has like a hundred things Tate has said and done she could attack. Easy target... The one thing she chose to do is to body shame the man. It's just name calling. It's not a refutation of Tate. If anything it makes her sound stupid for her inability to come up with a refutation.",
">\n\nExactly. But people are just cheering her on and laughing along without grasping the nuance of the situation.",
">\n\nI think you are kinda missing the point. People know it offensive. The issue is that they don't care.",
">\n\nPeople used to make fun of small tits all the time. Remember the 90s? Remember the itty bitty titty committee? I don't know if that's a thing any more, but skinny women with no butts are definitely not seen as attractive. It's not fair. It's not their fault. People need to stop shaming themselves and eachother, and accept all bodies. Until then, \"small dick energy\" won't cease to be an insult. I guess the difference is people are sort of \"punching up\" since it's always been people with dicks who have the power in this world. I've never heard a dude say that another dude has \"small dick energy.\" It's always a woman saying that. Either way I think it's dumb but I get it. I've always thought \"Karen\" was a dumb insult too. Not someone's fault they were named Karen, LOL.",
">\n\nAndrew insulted her. He was asking for this insult. She was totally in the right. She wasn’t trying to shame anyone else. You’re asking for this insult too.",
">\n\nIsn't it more offensive for small pp folk, that there is a guy who base his entire existence on top of an argument that being an alpha, prime male is the most important thing in the world, and you need to be a testosterone bomb gorilla to have any kind of value. Isn't that argument disregards small dick guys in the first place?",
">\n\nAnd Greta just reinforced it with her reply. Do you see the problem now?\nEdit:replaced \"comment\" with \"reply\"",
">\n\nI believe I've already made a statement about what the problem is.",
">\n\nThen do you understand why Greta's reply is offensive and playing into Andrew Tate's hands?",
">\n\nLol this is twitter. There is no playing into each other's hands. Get outside.",
">\n\nOh look. Greta is human. Someone who spent a lot of her growing up time trying to educate people.\nIf she was in a bar and some doofus made a pass, she's just asserting herself. Age and context. Good on her.",
">\n\nIt is actually been studied. Men with small penises actually do have less energy- testosterone or something.",
">\n\nBeing offended by anything is each person's individual choice. If something is offensive to you, then simply choose to not be offended by it. It's truly that simple."
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No, I didn't say that. Someone can certainly say something to someone that they hate with words that they feel will harm them mentally. That is "hate speech". The point I was trying to make is that we all as individuals have the choice to react to whatever someone says in whatever way we choose to react. If I feel offended by something that someone is saying, it is my choice to be offended by it.
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"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult.",
">\n\nIt's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh.",
">\n\nHonestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV",
">\n\nPeople can make mistakes and this was one of them.. so we can all just criticize her reply fairly and move on. No need for acute mental gymnastics to defend her as this comments section is showing lmao.",
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">\n\nI don't think anyone is arguing it's not offensive. I'm pretty sure she was trying to offend insecure men. Apparently with great success.",
">\n\nShe was trying to offend men who were insecure about their body image?\nHow is that not body shaming?",
">\n\nIt is, but we playing the avoidance and rationalization game",
">\n\nbecause women invented \"small dick energy\"\nharsh, sad. but we go jim🗿",
">\n\nOP never mentioned women tho. Post is strictly about why it's offensive. Do you disagree that it's not offensive or you think it's a trivial matter to make fun of that men's mental health doesn't matter as much?",
">\n\nThe female equivalent is\n\"Loose Pussy Energy\".\nThe typical man-hate hypocrisy commonly going around is beyond obvious. And it is an attack on All men and boys not just some.",
">\n\nNot a disagreement per se, but also worth noting that it’s transphobic. Which is to say, it insults all men by reinforcing patriarchy and punching down to two groups of men.",
">\n\nShe said small dick energy. Not that he had a small dick (though, come on). She used that phrase BECAUSE it's Tate. She's not a moron.\nHe is, as evidenced by his life to this point and his two responses to Thunberg, which were epically pathetic, is a moron and didn't seem to get it, though he doesn't get a lot.",
">\n\nThis is worse than saying he has a small dick, because how would she know, and that would just be dismissed as stupid.\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\nI can't understand the mental gymnastics some people are doing to try and say this isn't body shaming.",
">\n\n\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\n\nI mean yeah -- kind of like how pussy is an insult denoting cowardice, cunt is an insult meaning basically, terrible, etc., \nShe used that on purpose. Are you making CMV every time you see someone calling someone else a pussy?",
">\n\nPussy is kind of already known to be a shitty gendered insult so it doesn't need a CMV. In this case, Greta's gendered \"having a small penis is bad\" tweet is massively amplified, reached r/all on a shitload of subs, etc. so some discussion about whether or not that is cool is warranted",
">\n\nSmall dick energy isn’t about having a small dick tho. It’s a reflection of an attitude that men who are offensive, aggressive, nasty to people are overcompensating for their insecurities. A small dick doesn’t mean you won’t be able to find a partner or that you’re any less of a man. Being a downright trash bag of a human to others, like in this instance where an internet edgelord is cyber bullying a teenager on the internet who is fighting for the survival of our planet/humanity is an example of this trash behavior, is more of a determining factor. \nYou can also have a small dick but have big dick energy, as it’s reflective of who you are as a person. It’s an attitude. It’s who you choose to be to yourself and others. Hell, there’s women who use the term that they have big dick energy and I can tell you those women’s dicks are none existent so therefore size isn’t a thing. \nNo one should be made fun of for something they had no control over. The worth of a man is not tied to the size of his penis. Although, toxic masculinity and shallow people will tell you different. They say the same for disabled people, fat people etc. There’s plenty of people who are not “conventional standards of beauty” which is the majority of us, that lead happy, healthy relationships. Those relationships start with yourself and understanding your worth as a person isn’t tied to what you look like or how big your junk is. \nThe point is if you choose to be a trash person like Tate, where your self worth is tied into how cruel/offensive you can be to other people, don’t be mad if people call you out for that trashy attitude. Your post definitely reeks of “men are the true victims” when clearly you didn’t seem to have a problem with a grown man cyber bullying a teenager.",
">\n\nI like how you imply that OP is a fan of a literal human trafficker because they point out that a body-shaming insult is body-shaming. Do you understand why associating a trait of someone's body with negative personality traits is bad?",
">\n\nNo because people like this always have exceptions that allow them to use the things they complain about. Cognitive gymnastics allows them to recognise shaming women and people of colour is bad, because society will eat them otherwise, but when someone shows up who deserves a bit of a roasting all of their social etiquette rules go out the window and the excuses come out as to why in this context it doesn't count.\n\"Ahh no, here it is a reflection of an attitude\" blah blah 3 paragraphs later and we've clouded over the simple fact that body shaming is body shaming and harms people you weren't intending to insult.",
">\n\nPeople like this? You’re assuming things about me because I am a character in your mind not a real person. I am not a monolith. We should not be body shaming people. I am explaining the other side of this issue and why people use these terms. You never asked if I use these same terms in my life. You assumed I do. I don’t. You didn’t even bother to read my response because if you did you would have realized this.",
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">\n\nYou can have smol pp but big pp energy and vice versa",
">\n\nSo why is the phrase small dick energy if it has nothing to do with having a small dick?",
">\n\nIdk man, I just work here.",
">\n\nYou know why. Lol cause small dick is associated with bad. And by insulting dicks you use this knowledge to offend, at the cost of body shaming people. \nStop feigning dumb just to avoid the reasoning lol",
">\n\nI can see how it would be offensive, and I wouldn’t use it myself. I feel like the phrase refers more to how someone acts as opposed to how they are endowed. And how it’s behavior and actions that make people think down of you not your penis.",
">\n\nPoint is that we, as a society, should encourage better insults that attack the comments of the person without necessarily having to equate it to something someone with a small dick.",
">\n\nWould you agree with me, that if Andrew clapped back with one of those that the internet would be up in arms about it?",
">\n\nYou mean the way that you are, here, on the internet, up in arms?",
">\n\nIm one person on reddit, theres no major backlash like there would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\nSee, what's happening here is that you are also looking at people who are \"one person on Reddit\" and pretending it's a major backlash. Andrew Tate says fucked up things about women all the time (in fact, it's kind of his whole schtick) and it's as much of a non-event as this is.",
">\n\nPlease link me to something fucked up hes said about women, and ill agree with you, two wrongs don't make a right.",
">\n\nHere's exhibit A.",
">\n\nSure I agree with you he has said fucked up stuff about women, it doesn't mean its okay to make a joke about small dick energy.\nDo you understand my point?",
">\n\nWe understand, it's just that your point is fucking stupid",
">\n\nYou have no idea what his point is, it's funny that people on this thread OP and others actually like Andrew Tate.\nIt proves that everyone is completely frothingly tribalistic with zero nuance.",
">\n\nIf someone is behaving insufferably, people are going to laugh at them for things that they wouldn’t find funny if it happened to someone they liked.\nFor example, is it funny when people go bankrupt? No. Would it be funny if someone like Andrew Tate went bankrupt after boasting about Bugattis and all of his mass wealth? Yes. This doesn’t mean people who would make fun of him for that are making fun of poverty or all people who lose their livelihoods, it would just be funny if it happened to that particular person. \nIn the same way, the idea that Tate does all the douchey, over the top macho things that he does in order to compensate for having a small penis is funny, whilst it not being funny to make fun of every person who has a small penis.",
">\n\nSubstitute fat. Is that ok?",
">\n\nDepends on what the fat person is doing. If the person is minding their own business then no, if the fat person is attacking other people’s appearances then yeah go for it.",
">\n\nInteresting take. Might want to play with that a bit. A lot of situations where your reasoning falls apart.",
">\n\nPeople insulted Trump for being fat when he tried to say he was like the most fit person ever. People make fun of Elon Musk's body. You can make the same type of insult to two different people and it come off two different ways. \nWhen you make your identity or argument around something it opens up certain insults and comebacks. \nTate's whole thing is trying to act like this \"alpha male\" when in reality he's a sex trafficking weirdo who pays women to hang out with him. It's totally fine to insult him with a childish insult. \nI also find that people worried or mad about this don't actually care about body image issues. They just want a gotcha moment for people. Because many would have shitty takes about fat people or whine about pc culture.",
">\n\nWhen you call some MF that doesn't necessarily mean you are a MF... I'm not saying it's okay to say abusing words but we still do use them.\nI don't think she said it in literal terms, it was completely literary. Also she only said it cause it was Tate who she said it to. Also if a woman has small tits and someone said to someone else that they have small tits energy, I don't think one who actually has small tits would mind it, cause she is not involved and it's kinda perfect way of irritating Tate.. cause he really cares about these things. \nWhen it comes to increasing the insecurity of someone who actually has small D and is insecure about it... She couldn't think so far cause all she wanted was to irritate Tate and she was successful",
">\n\nI don't think it even irritated him if that was her goal but definitely helped him with popularity. It just proves what he says people think of insecure men, it just moves them to him and he gains more influence. It was an ignorant reply in poor taste. Someone with much following and influence as Greta shouldn't be as irresponsible and the followers shouldn't be having to do mental gymnastics to defend her instead of seeing it as it is: body shaming against men.",
">\n\nIs this some kind of weird meta-game? Are Andrew Tate fans pretending to actually be offended by this stupid insult to prove a point? Does anybody actually think her retort was any sharper than a brick wrapped in a wet blanket?\nWhat is going on here?!",
">\n\n\nWhat is going on here?!\n\nAndrew Tate fans have a lot of small dick energy. That's whats going on.",
">\n\nWhy are people not allowed dislike tate (he's an absolute idiot and a grifter) and also to criticize obvious body shaming from a supposed progressive? If Biden started talking about \"N*gger energy\" criticizing Kanye for antisemitism, would that be ok in your eyes? Would you say that a black guy who doesn't like that must be an angry Kanye fan? Or is it disgustingly offensive towards all African Americans to use that type of language no matter what?",
">\n\nBecause it suits their narrative to frame it as if people are just defending tate. It's easier than just actually defending body shaming. Done deal.",
">\n\nI think Greta used that phrase not because she actually believes or wants to promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior, but because people like Andrew Tate believe and promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior. If Andrew Tate gets hurt because Greta says he has small dick energy, then maybe -- just maybe, with the tiniest bit of introspection -- he'll come to realize how hateful some of his language is.\nBullies like Andrew Tate don't really respond to logic or pleas for sympathy. The only way to maybe make them understand the hurt they cause is to inflict it on them, because they don't care about anyone but themselves. \nSo instead of putting the cart before the horse and blaming Greta for using an offensive phrase as an argumentative tactic, maybe blame the people who use the phrase to actually demean people.",
">\n\nCan we substitute fat instead and be justified?",
">\n\nYes people did that with Trump when he claimed to be the fittest person ever basically. If someone has a habit of insulting people a certain way or making certain claims then they open themselves up to specific insults. \nSometimes we'd find those insults not tasteful if said to other people. But I feel like most people equating this to fat insults don't actually care about fat people. A lot of people would also be like oh things are getting too pc or soft or woke when it comes to body positivity towards fat people. So for me it's hard to buy this line of reasoning as being truly valid or caring.",
">\n\nNo one said it has to be authentic caring. This sub is for exploring the intellectual arguments. Your perception of how authentic someone’s feelings towards fat people is basically irrelevant. Argue the point or don’t. Passing your authenticity test is a wierd standard to try to argue for.",
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">\n\nYes, making insults is offensive. That's the point.\nInsults that reference a body part are also offensive to people who are insecure about that body part. That's also kinda obvious.\nWhat do you want your mind changed about here? I'm unclear about what you think can be discussed about an insult meant to be insulting. Are you arguing that this insult is especially wrong in some way?\nHow is this not just you soapboxing?",
">\n\nThere's a reason as a society we don't use insults like \"retard\". This is in the same vein. You're attributing a negative thing with a man having a small penis. This is harmful as it perpetuates the stigma surrounding penis size which is outside ones control. Essentially it degrades a group of people who have nothing to do with it. OP wants to know whether or not this is reconciled. Reading the comments... It has not been. \nMaking gendered insults doesn't bother me truthfully but I can understand the frustration OP is expressing because were it to be a man making some edgy reference to a woman's lady parts being inadequate as a way to demean them then everyone would be outraged as opposed to cheering it on.",
">\n\nUsing “small dick” as an insult, or “loose pussy” isn’t really offensive unless you are insecure about the physical viability of your reproductive organs. \nBut, that doesn’t make it funny. It’s a really juvenile and uncreative way of ridiculing someone.",
">\n\nInsecure women are offended when they're fat shamed.\nIt's still body shaming.\nIt's still wrong.",
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">\n\nGuy randomly decides to flex on her by saying I HAVE CARS AND I LIKE TO GO VROOOOM. It's like when Piers decides that it's absolutely important to eat meat in front of vegans. It's not about penis size. It's just that smalldickenergy is a perfect explanation of why would someone decide to behave like this.",
">\n\nShe is 19. Maybe in a few years she will have more mature insults. It’s a lot of pressure to be put on someone so young to also say the perfect thing all the time",
">\n\nUnder nearly all circumstances, I agree with you.\nHowever, for a lot of people who have built a cult of personality around any given ideal, insults of the inoffensive type are completely commonplace. All they have to do is fend off one or two instances of this PG rated attacks, strawman them, call them snowflakes, and their following is bolstered and enhanced. Instead of having any negative effect, it becomes part of their inherent power.\nSometimes if you want to rattle a cult leader you have to hit with precision their most critical weakness and watch them implode. The fact that Tate is squirming so hard and doing everything he can to reclaim some of his dignity after Greta's clapback means that she has his number. Great isn't saying that having a small dick is bad, but knowing that Tate's entire personality is built about being an alpha male and that calling into question the size of his member will hurt him the most is what she was after. \nOf course, it wasn't classy and could be offensive to some. But as the saying goes, sometimes you have to fight fire with fire.",
">\n\nReally is he squirming? \nHe's rich he's popular and now he's gotten someone he disagrees with to repeat his ideology and platform spreading it to a wider audience. \nI'd argue he's happy for the attention and popularity that she's given to him now and enjoying the increased sales in his business as more men who feel marginalized and left out join him seeing this hypocrisy playing out. Not to mention all the political players( internationally) who were against climate action seeing all this and aligning themselves appropriately, possibly propping him up and making him something more than what he actually is- An ignorant troll. \nEngage with a troll and you only give them more power. The tweet was dumb and people should know better.\nEdit: spacing",
">\n\nI'm not commenting on whether or not his fans will like him more or if the controversy will inadvertently grant him a wider audience. \nI'm commenting that Greta knew exactly where and how to hit him the hardest. Yes, he is definitely squirming. He has scrambled out half a dozen prepubescent \"I know you are but what am I\" tweets. Then he went and made the absolute cringiest response video. He's incensed by being talked down to by Greta and is overcompensating. \nDid her tweet have any net positive effect on society? No. Did it ruffle Tate's feathers and make his blood boil? Yea. Would he have even cared if she called him a misogynistic prick? Absolutely not. He would have just told her to sit down and shut up, that misogyny is made up by inferior women blah blah blah...\nInstead, his insecurities are eating him alive.",
">\n\nWhy even respond and give him attention that he so desperately craves? And why body shame men in the process? \nIf she didn't have a better insult she could have just went on with her life instead of helping him grow. Using \"small dick energy\" as an insult means implicitly we agree that people with small penises are inferior and undesirable. That's basically what Tate is on about ( Toxic masculinity). And by laughing at her tweet we all reinforce that perception. Do you get that? \nSick of double standards and hypocrisy. At least people should have the courage to own up and acknowledge it then move on instead of doubling down and performing mental gymnastics to justify an obvious case of body shaming.\nI agree with you on one thing that the net effect on society because of this tweet exchange is negative and only serves the people who Greta and her followers hate.",
">\n\nI think you are missing what I am saying. I fully agree that it wasn't necessary nor was it the right thing for Greta to do. I also agree that it just gives him attention and was overall a useless venture other for the entertainment of Tate haters.\nOP asked why it is okay. I stated that it isn't okay but that I understand why Greta took that road rather than the suggested non-offensive approach. It is because he's immune to it. What he isn't immune to is his masculinity and ego being questioned. What is the point of the Wolf continuing to blow on the brick house? None. To get to the scared little piggies inside he needs a jackhammer. \nAnd it worked exactly how she planned it to. He was rattled and anyone who hates Tate is amused. \nNot saying it's the right thing to do, nor do I want anyone to feel ashamed of the size of their penis.",
">\n\nOk.. thanks for elaborating on that. I misunderstood your comment as a disagreement and engaged to try and change your mind but seems we share the same view.",
">\n\nYou do not know what Greta is \"fully aware\" of. She is referring to character and behaviour, why are you taking this personally? She isn't speaking to you, hasn't seen you, doesn't know you. I don't know why you are externalizing your issue like this and waving it around in public, is it our responsibility to fix this for you?\nShe was just making a tiny joke. Relax. smalldickenergy @ getalife .com is hilarious.",
">\n\nAside from everything else, it's men who started the 'big dick energy' idiocy so to then complain when someone uses their own stupidity against them...",
">\n\nYeah because men are a monolith and we all meet in a room and know each other smh.",
">\n\nThey’re saying it’s offensive to more than just Andrew Tate",
">\n\nYeah but again, ISN'T THE PURPOSE",
">\n\nWhat do you mean again? You didn’t say that before. And why does the purpose matter? You can do a bad thing without meaning to.",
">\n\nI meant to say isn't that the purpose lol mb",
">\n\nOh lol I probably should have realized that. But I think the point of the insult was to offend Andrew Tate.",
">\n\nFair. Trying to not say anything about him one way or another so I don't get downvoted to hell.",
">\n\nGreta lost that argument. She literally has like a hundred things Tate has said and done she could attack. Easy target... The one thing she chose to do is to body shame the man. It's just name calling. It's not a refutation of Tate. If anything it makes her sound stupid for her inability to come up with a refutation.",
">\n\nExactly. But people are just cheering her on and laughing along without grasping the nuance of the situation.",
">\n\nI think you are kinda missing the point. People know it offensive. The issue is that they don't care.",
">\n\nPeople used to make fun of small tits all the time. Remember the 90s? Remember the itty bitty titty committee? I don't know if that's a thing any more, but skinny women with no butts are definitely not seen as attractive. It's not fair. It's not their fault. People need to stop shaming themselves and eachother, and accept all bodies. Until then, \"small dick energy\" won't cease to be an insult. I guess the difference is people are sort of \"punching up\" since it's always been people with dicks who have the power in this world. I've never heard a dude say that another dude has \"small dick energy.\" It's always a woman saying that. Either way I think it's dumb but I get it. I've always thought \"Karen\" was a dumb insult too. Not someone's fault they were named Karen, LOL.",
">\n\nAndrew insulted her. He was asking for this insult. She was totally in the right. She wasn’t trying to shame anyone else. You’re asking for this insult too.",
">\n\nIsn't it more offensive for small pp folk, that there is a guy who base his entire existence on top of an argument that being an alpha, prime male is the most important thing in the world, and you need to be a testosterone bomb gorilla to have any kind of value. Isn't that argument disregards small dick guys in the first place?",
">\n\nAnd Greta just reinforced it with her reply. Do you see the problem now?\nEdit:replaced \"comment\" with \"reply\"",
">\n\nI believe I've already made a statement about what the problem is.",
">\n\nThen do you understand why Greta's reply is offensive and playing into Andrew Tate's hands?",
">\n\nLol this is twitter. There is no playing into each other's hands. Get outside.",
">\n\nOh look. Greta is human. Someone who spent a lot of her growing up time trying to educate people.\nIf she was in a bar and some doofus made a pass, she's just asserting herself. Age and context. Good on her.",
">\n\nIt is actually been studied. Men with small penises actually do have less energy- testosterone or something.",
">\n\nBeing offended by anything is each person's individual choice. If something is offensive to you, then simply choose to not be offended by it. It's truly that simple.",
">\n\nSo there is no such thing as hate speech?"
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I pretty much agree, but now we come to who decides. Does the person doing the talking decide whether it is hate speech? Or the person being talked at?
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"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult.",
">\n\nIt's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh.",
">\n\nHonestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV",
">\n\nPeople can make mistakes and this was one of them.. so we can all just criticize her reply fairly and move on. No need for acute mental gymnastics to defend her as this comments section is showing lmao.",
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">\n\nI don't think anyone is arguing it's not offensive. I'm pretty sure she was trying to offend insecure men. Apparently with great success.",
">\n\nShe was trying to offend men who were insecure about their body image?\nHow is that not body shaming?",
">\n\nIt is, but we playing the avoidance and rationalization game",
">\n\nbecause women invented \"small dick energy\"\nharsh, sad. but we go jim🗿",
">\n\nOP never mentioned women tho. Post is strictly about why it's offensive. Do you disagree that it's not offensive or you think it's a trivial matter to make fun of that men's mental health doesn't matter as much?",
">\n\nThe female equivalent is\n\"Loose Pussy Energy\".\nThe typical man-hate hypocrisy commonly going around is beyond obvious. And it is an attack on All men and boys not just some.",
">\n\nNot a disagreement per se, but also worth noting that it’s transphobic. Which is to say, it insults all men by reinforcing patriarchy and punching down to two groups of men.",
">\n\nShe said small dick energy. Not that he had a small dick (though, come on). She used that phrase BECAUSE it's Tate. She's not a moron.\nHe is, as evidenced by his life to this point and his two responses to Thunberg, which were epically pathetic, is a moron and didn't seem to get it, though he doesn't get a lot.",
">\n\nThis is worse than saying he has a small dick, because how would she know, and that would just be dismissed as stupid.\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\nI can't understand the mental gymnastics some people are doing to try and say this isn't body shaming.",
">\n\n\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\n\nI mean yeah -- kind of like how pussy is an insult denoting cowardice, cunt is an insult meaning basically, terrible, etc., \nShe used that on purpose. Are you making CMV every time you see someone calling someone else a pussy?",
">\n\nPussy is kind of already known to be a shitty gendered insult so it doesn't need a CMV. In this case, Greta's gendered \"having a small penis is bad\" tweet is massively amplified, reached r/all on a shitload of subs, etc. so some discussion about whether or not that is cool is warranted",
">\n\nSmall dick energy isn’t about having a small dick tho. It’s a reflection of an attitude that men who are offensive, aggressive, nasty to people are overcompensating for their insecurities. A small dick doesn’t mean you won’t be able to find a partner or that you’re any less of a man. Being a downright trash bag of a human to others, like in this instance where an internet edgelord is cyber bullying a teenager on the internet who is fighting for the survival of our planet/humanity is an example of this trash behavior, is more of a determining factor. \nYou can also have a small dick but have big dick energy, as it’s reflective of who you are as a person. It’s an attitude. It’s who you choose to be to yourself and others. Hell, there’s women who use the term that they have big dick energy and I can tell you those women’s dicks are none existent so therefore size isn’t a thing. \nNo one should be made fun of for something they had no control over. The worth of a man is not tied to the size of his penis. Although, toxic masculinity and shallow people will tell you different. They say the same for disabled people, fat people etc. There’s plenty of people who are not “conventional standards of beauty” which is the majority of us, that lead happy, healthy relationships. Those relationships start with yourself and understanding your worth as a person isn’t tied to what you look like or how big your junk is. \nThe point is if you choose to be a trash person like Tate, where your self worth is tied into how cruel/offensive you can be to other people, don’t be mad if people call you out for that trashy attitude. Your post definitely reeks of “men are the true victims” when clearly you didn’t seem to have a problem with a grown man cyber bullying a teenager.",
">\n\nI like how you imply that OP is a fan of a literal human trafficker because they point out that a body-shaming insult is body-shaming. Do you understand why associating a trait of someone's body with negative personality traits is bad?",
">\n\nNo because people like this always have exceptions that allow them to use the things they complain about. Cognitive gymnastics allows them to recognise shaming women and people of colour is bad, because society will eat them otherwise, but when someone shows up who deserves a bit of a roasting all of their social etiquette rules go out the window and the excuses come out as to why in this context it doesn't count.\n\"Ahh no, here it is a reflection of an attitude\" blah blah 3 paragraphs later and we've clouded over the simple fact that body shaming is body shaming and harms people you weren't intending to insult.",
">\n\nPeople like this? You’re assuming things about me because I am a character in your mind not a real person. I am not a monolith. We should not be body shaming people. I am explaining the other side of this issue and why people use these terms. You never asked if I use these same terms in my life. You assumed I do. I don’t. You didn’t even bother to read my response because if you did you would have realized this.",
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">\n\nYou can have smol pp but big pp energy and vice versa",
">\n\nSo why is the phrase small dick energy if it has nothing to do with having a small dick?",
">\n\nIdk man, I just work here.",
">\n\nYou know why. Lol cause small dick is associated with bad. And by insulting dicks you use this knowledge to offend, at the cost of body shaming people. \nStop feigning dumb just to avoid the reasoning lol",
">\n\nI can see how it would be offensive, and I wouldn’t use it myself. I feel like the phrase refers more to how someone acts as opposed to how they are endowed. And how it’s behavior and actions that make people think down of you not your penis.",
">\n\nPoint is that we, as a society, should encourage better insults that attack the comments of the person without necessarily having to equate it to something someone with a small dick.",
">\n\nWould you agree with me, that if Andrew clapped back with one of those that the internet would be up in arms about it?",
">\n\nYou mean the way that you are, here, on the internet, up in arms?",
">\n\nIm one person on reddit, theres no major backlash like there would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\nSee, what's happening here is that you are also looking at people who are \"one person on Reddit\" and pretending it's a major backlash. Andrew Tate says fucked up things about women all the time (in fact, it's kind of his whole schtick) and it's as much of a non-event as this is.",
">\n\nPlease link me to something fucked up hes said about women, and ill agree with you, two wrongs don't make a right.",
">\n\nHere's exhibit A.",
">\n\nSure I agree with you he has said fucked up stuff about women, it doesn't mean its okay to make a joke about small dick energy.\nDo you understand my point?",
">\n\nWe understand, it's just that your point is fucking stupid",
">\n\nYou have no idea what his point is, it's funny that people on this thread OP and others actually like Andrew Tate.\nIt proves that everyone is completely frothingly tribalistic with zero nuance.",
">\n\nIf someone is behaving insufferably, people are going to laugh at them for things that they wouldn’t find funny if it happened to someone they liked.\nFor example, is it funny when people go bankrupt? No. Would it be funny if someone like Andrew Tate went bankrupt after boasting about Bugattis and all of his mass wealth? Yes. This doesn’t mean people who would make fun of him for that are making fun of poverty or all people who lose their livelihoods, it would just be funny if it happened to that particular person. \nIn the same way, the idea that Tate does all the douchey, over the top macho things that he does in order to compensate for having a small penis is funny, whilst it not being funny to make fun of every person who has a small penis.",
">\n\nSubstitute fat. Is that ok?",
">\n\nDepends on what the fat person is doing. If the person is minding their own business then no, if the fat person is attacking other people’s appearances then yeah go for it.",
">\n\nInteresting take. Might want to play with that a bit. A lot of situations where your reasoning falls apart.",
">\n\nPeople insulted Trump for being fat when he tried to say he was like the most fit person ever. People make fun of Elon Musk's body. You can make the same type of insult to two different people and it come off two different ways. \nWhen you make your identity or argument around something it opens up certain insults and comebacks. \nTate's whole thing is trying to act like this \"alpha male\" when in reality he's a sex trafficking weirdo who pays women to hang out with him. It's totally fine to insult him with a childish insult. \nI also find that people worried or mad about this don't actually care about body image issues. They just want a gotcha moment for people. Because many would have shitty takes about fat people or whine about pc culture.",
">\n\nWhen you call some MF that doesn't necessarily mean you are a MF... I'm not saying it's okay to say abusing words but we still do use them.\nI don't think she said it in literal terms, it was completely literary. Also she only said it cause it was Tate who she said it to. Also if a woman has small tits and someone said to someone else that they have small tits energy, I don't think one who actually has small tits would mind it, cause she is not involved and it's kinda perfect way of irritating Tate.. cause he really cares about these things. \nWhen it comes to increasing the insecurity of someone who actually has small D and is insecure about it... She couldn't think so far cause all she wanted was to irritate Tate and she was successful",
">\n\nI don't think it even irritated him if that was her goal but definitely helped him with popularity. It just proves what he says people think of insecure men, it just moves them to him and he gains more influence. It was an ignorant reply in poor taste. Someone with much following and influence as Greta shouldn't be as irresponsible and the followers shouldn't be having to do mental gymnastics to defend her instead of seeing it as it is: body shaming against men.",
">\n\nIs this some kind of weird meta-game? Are Andrew Tate fans pretending to actually be offended by this stupid insult to prove a point? Does anybody actually think her retort was any sharper than a brick wrapped in a wet blanket?\nWhat is going on here?!",
">\n\n\nWhat is going on here?!\n\nAndrew Tate fans have a lot of small dick energy. That's whats going on.",
">\n\nWhy are people not allowed dislike tate (he's an absolute idiot and a grifter) and also to criticize obvious body shaming from a supposed progressive? If Biden started talking about \"N*gger energy\" criticizing Kanye for antisemitism, would that be ok in your eyes? Would you say that a black guy who doesn't like that must be an angry Kanye fan? Or is it disgustingly offensive towards all African Americans to use that type of language no matter what?",
">\n\nBecause it suits their narrative to frame it as if people are just defending tate. It's easier than just actually defending body shaming. Done deal.",
">\n\nI think Greta used that phrase not because she actually believes or wants to promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior, but because people like Andrew Tate believe and promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior. If Andrew Tate gets hurt because Greta says he has small dick energy, then maybe -- just maybe, with the tiniest bit of introspection -- he'll come to realize how hateful some of his language is.\nBullies like Andrew Tate don't really respond to logic or pleas for sympathy. The only way to maybe make them understand the hurt they cause is to inflict it on them, because they don't care about anyone but themselves. \nSo instead of putting the cart before the horse and blaming Greta for using an offensive phrase as an argumentative tactic, maybe blame the people who use the phrase to actually demean people.",
">\n\nCan we substitute fat instead and be justified?",
">\n\nYes people did that with Trump when he claimed to be the fittest person ever basically. If someone has a habit of insulting people a certain way or making certain claims then they open themselves up to specific insults. \nSometimes we'd find those insults not tasteful if said to other people. But I feel like most people equating this to fat insults don't actually care about fat people. A lot of people would also be like oh things are getting too pc or soft or woke when it comes to body positivity towards fat people. So for me it's hard to buy this line of reasoning as being truly valid or caring.",
">\n\nNo one said it has to be authentic caring. This sub is for exploring the intellectual arguments. Your perception of how authentic someone’s feelings towards fat people is basically irrelevant. Argue the point or don’t. Passing your authenticity test is a wierd standard to try to argue for.",
">\n\nSorry, u/AlternativeFukts – your comment has been removed for breaking Rule 5: \n\nComments must contribute meaningfully to the conversation. \n\nComments should be on-topic, serious, and contain enough content to move the discussion forward. Jokes, contradictions without explanation, links without context, off-topic comments, and \"written upvotes\" will be removed. Read the wiki for more information. \nIf you would like to appeal, review our appeals process here, then message the moderators by clicking this link within one week of this notice being posted.",
">\n\nYes, making insults is offensive. That's the point.\nInsults that reference a body part are also offensive to people who are insecure about that body part. That's also kinda obvious.\nWhat do you want your mind changed about here? I'm unclear about what you think can be discussed about an insult meant to be insulting. Are you arguing that this insult is especially wrong in some way?\nHow is this not just you soapboxing?",
">\n\nThere's a reason as a society we don't use insults like \"retard\". This is in the same vein. You're attributing a negative thing with a man having a small penis. This is harmful as it perpetuates the stigma surrounding penis size which is outside ones control. Essentially it degrades a group of people who have nothing to do with it. OP wants to know whether or not this is reconciled. Reading the comments... It has not been. \nMaking gendered insults doesn't bother me truthfully but I can understand the frustration OP is expressing because were it to be a man making some edgy reference to a woman's lady parts being inadequate as a way to demean them then everyone would be outraged as opposed to cheering it on.",
">\n\nUsing “small dick” as an insult, or “loose pussy” isn’t really offensive unless you are insecure about the physical viability of your reproductive organs. \nBut, that doesn’t make it funny. It’s a really juvenile and uncreative way of ridiculing someone.",
">\n\nInsecure women are offended when they're fat shamed.\nIt's still body shaming.\nIt's still wrong.",
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">\n\nGuy randomly decides to flex on her by saying I HAVE CARS AND I LIKE TO GO VROOOOM. It's like when Piers decides that it's absolutely important to eat meat in front of vegans. It's not about penis size. It's just that smalldickenergy is a perfect explanation of why would someone decide to behave like this.",
">\n\nShe is 19. Maybe in a few years she will have more mature insults. It’s a lot of pressure to be put on someone so young to also say the perfect thing all the time",
">\n\nUnder nearly all circumstances, I agree with you.\nHowever, for a lot of people who have built a cult of personality around any given ideal, insults of the inoffensive type are completely commonplace. All they have to do is fend off one or two instances of this PG rated attacks, strawman them, call them snowflakes, and their following is bolstered and enhanced. Instead of having any negative effect, it becomes part of their inherent power.\nSometimes if you want to rattle a cult leader you have to hit with precision their most critical weakness and watch them implode. The fact that Tate is squirming so hard and doing everything he can to reclaim some of his dignity after Greta's clapback means that she has his number. Great isn't saying that having a small dick is bad, but knowing that Tate's entire personality is built about being an alpha male and that calling into question the size of his member will hurt him the most is what she was after. \nOf course, it wasn't classy and could be offensive to some. But as the saying goes, sometimes you have to fight fire with fire.",
">\n\nReally is he squirming? \nHe's rich he's popular and now he's gotten someone he disagrees with to repeat his ideology and platform spreading it to a wider audience. \nI'd argue he's happy for the attention and popularity that she's given to him now and enjoying the increased sales in his business as more men who feel marginalized and left out join him seeing this hypocrisy playing out. Not to mention all the political players( internationally) who were against climate action seeing all this and aligning themselves appropriately, possibly propping him up and making him something more than what he actually is- An ignorant troll. \nEngage with a troll and you only give them more power. The tweet was dumb and people should know better.\nEdit: spacing",
">\n\nI'm not commenting on whether or not his fans will like him more or if the controversy will inadvertently grant him a wider audience. \nI'm commenting that Greta knew exactly where and how to hit him the hardest. Yes, he is definitely squirming. He has scrambled out half a dozen prepubescent \"I know you are but what am I\" tweets. Then he went and made the absolute cringiest response video. He's incensed by being talked down to by Greta and is overcompensating. \nDid her tweet have any net positive effect on society? No. Did it ruffle Tate's feathers and make his blood boil? Yea. Would he have even cared if she called him a misogynistic prick? Absolutely not. He would have just told her to sit down and shut up, that misogyny is made up by inferior women blah blah blah...\nInstead, his insecurities are eating him alive.",
">\n\nWhy even respond and give him attention that he so desperately craves? And why body shame men in the process? \nIf she didn't have a better insult she could have just went on with her life instead of helping him grow. Using \"small dick energy\" as an insult means implicitly we agree that people with small penises are inferior and undesirable. That's basically what Tate is on about ( Toxic masculinity). And by laughing at her tweet we all reinforce that perception. Do you get that? \nSick of double standards and hypocrisy. At least people should have the courage to own up and acknowledge it then move on instead of doubling down and performing mental gymnastics to justify an obvious case of body shaming.\nI agree with you on one thing that the net effect on society because of this tweet exchange is negative and only serves the people who Greta and her followers hate.",
">\n\nI think you are missing what I am saying. I fully agree that it wasn't necessary nor was it the right thing for Greta to do. I also agree that it just gives him attention and was overall a useless venture other for the entertainment of Tate haters.\nOP asked why it is okay. I stated that it isn't okay but that I understand why Greta took that road rather than the suggested non-offensive approach. It is because he's immune to it. What he isn't immune to is his masculinity and ego being questioned. What is the point of the Wolf continuing to blow on the brick house? None. To get to the scared little piggies inside he needs a jackhammer. \nAnd it worked exactly how she planned it to. He was rattled and anyone who hates Tate is amused. \nNot saying it's the right thing to do, nor do I want anyone to feel ashamed of the size of their penis.",
">\n\nOk.. thanks for elaborating on that. I misunderstood your comment as a disagreement and engaged to try and change your mind but seems we share the same view.",
">\n\nYou do not know what Greta is \"fully aware\" of. She is referring to character and behaviour, why are you taking this personally? She isn't speaking to you, hasn't seen you, doesn't know you. I don't know why you are externalizing your issue like this and waving it around in public, is it our responsibility to fix this for you?\nShe was just making a tiny joke. Relax. smalldickenergy @ getalife .com is hilarious.",
">\n\nAside from everything else, it's men who started the 'big dick energy' idiocy so to then complain when someone uses their own stupidity against them...",
">\n\nYeah because men are a monolith and we all meet in a room and know each other smh.",
">\n\nThey’re saying it’s offensive to more than just Andrew Tate",
">\n\nYeah but again, ISN'T THE PURPOSE",
">\n\nWhat do you mean again? You didn’t say that before. And why does the purpose matter? You can do a bad thing without meaning to.",
">\n\nI meant to say isn't that the purpose lol mb",
">\n\nOh lol I probably should have realized that. But I think the point of the insult was to offend Andrew Tate.",
">\n\nFair. Trying to not say anything about him one way or another so I don't get downvoted to hell.",
">\n\nGreta lost that argument. She literally has like a hundred things Tate has said and done she could attack. Easy target... The one thing she chose to do is to body shame the man. It's just name calling. It's not a refutation of Tate. If anything it makes her sound stupid for her inability to come up with a refutation.",
">\n\nExactly. But people are just cheering her on and laughing along without grasping the nuance of the situation.",
">\n\nI think you are kinda missing the point. People know it offensive. The issue is that they don't care.",
">\n\nPeople used to make fun of small tits all the time. Remember the 90s? Remember the itty bitty titty committee? I don't know if that's a thing any more, but skinny women with no butts are definitely not seen as attractive. It's not fair. It's not their fault. People need to stop shaming themselves and eachother, and accept all bodies. Until then, \"small dick energy\" won't cease to be an insult. I guess the difference is people are sort of \"punching up\" since it's always been people with dicks who have the power in this world. I've never heard a dude say that another dude has \"small dick energy.\" It's always a woman saying that. Either way I think it's dumb but I get it. I've always thought \"Karen\" was a dumb insult too. Not someone's fault they were named Karen, LOL.",
">\n\nAndrew insulted her. He was asking for this insult. She was totally in the right. She wasn’t trying to shame anyone else. You’re asking for this insult too.",
">\n\nIsn't it more offensive for small pp folk, that there is a guy who base his entire existence on top of an argument that being an alpha, prime male is the most important thing in the world, and you need to be a testosterone bomb gorilla to have any kind of value. Isn't that argument disregards small dick guys in the first place?",
">\n\nAnd Greta just reinforced it with her reply. Do you see the problem now?\nEdit:replaced \"comment\" with \"reply\"",
">\n\nI believe I've already made a statement about what the problem is.",
">\n\nThen do you understand why Greta's reply is offensive and playing into Andrew Tate's hands?",
">\n\nLol this is twitter. There is no playing into each other's hands. Get outside.",
">\n\nOh look. Greta is human. Someone who spent a lot of her growing up time trying to educate people.\nIf she was in a bar and some doofus made a pass, she's just asserting herself. Age and context. Good on her.",
">\n\nIt is actually been studied. Men with small penises actually do have less energy- testosterone or something.",
">\n\nBeing offended by anything is each person's individual choice. If something is offensive to you, then simply choose to not be offended by it. It's truly that simple.",
">\n\nSo there is no such thing as hate speech?",
">\n\nNo, I didn't say that. Someone can certainly say something to someone that they hate with words that they feel will harm them mentally. That is \"hate speech\". The point I was trying to make is that we all as individuals have the choice to react to whatever someone says in whatever way we choose to react. If I feel offended by something that someone is saying, it is my choice to be offended by it."
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There is no decision. The person who is talking thinks that what they are saying is not hateful, or they do. The person being talked at thinks that what the other person is saying is hateful, or they don't. The point is that it only matters if you make it matter to you. For example, if I say you are the dumbest person on earth, am I committing the crime of hate speech? Are you the dumbest person on earth? Probably not. But maybe I believe that you are. Does that make it true? If so, then it's not hate speech it's the truth...to me. If you, personally, believe that you are not the dumbest person on earth, then why would you concern yourself with what my dumbass has to say? To you, I'm the dumbest person on earth. I hope I'm getting my point across here.
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"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult.",
">\n\nIt's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh.",
">\n\nHonestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV",
">\n\nPeople can make mistakes and this was one of them.. so we can all just criticize her reply fairly and move on. No need for acute mental gymnastics to defend her as this comments section is showing lmao.",
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">\n\nI don't think anyone is arguing it's not offensive. I'm pretty sure she was trying to offend insecure men. Apparently with great success.",
">\n\nShe was trying to offend men who were insecure about their body image?\nHow is that not body shaming?",
">\n\nIt is, but we playing the avoidance and rationalization game",
">\n\nbecause women invented \"small dick energy\"\nharsh, sad. but we go jim🗿",
">\n\nOP never mentioned women tho. Post is strictly about why it's offensive. Do you disagree that it's not offensive or you think it's a trivial matter to make fun of that men's mental health doesn't matter as much?",
">\n\nThe female equivalent is\n\"Loose Pussy Energy\".\nThe typical man-hate hypocrisy commonly going around is beyond obvious. And it is an attack on All men and boys not just some.",
">\n\nNot a disagreement per se, but also worth noting that it’s transphobic. Which is to say, it insults all men by reinforcing patriarchy and punching down to two groups of men.",
">\n\nShe said small dick energy. Not that he had a small dick (though, come on). She used that phrase BECAUSE it's Tate. She's not a moron.\nHe is, as evidenced by his life to this point and his two responses to Thunberg, which were epically pathetic, is a moron and didn't seem to get it, though he doesn't get a lot.",
">\n\nThis is worse than saying he has a small dick, because how would she know, and that would just be dismissed as stupid.\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\nI can't understand the mental gymnastics some people are doing to try and say this isn't body shaming.",
">\n\n\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\n\nI mean yeah -- kind of like how pussy is an insult denoting cowardice, cunt is an insult meaning basically, terrible, etc., \nShe used that on purpose. Are you making CMV every time you see someone calling someone else a pussy?",
">\n\nPussy is kind of already known to be a shitty gendered insult so it doesn't need a CMV. In this case, Greta's gendered \"having a small penis is bad\" tweet is massively amplified, reached r/all on a shitload of subs, etc. so some discussion about whether or not that is cool is warranted",
">\n\nSmall dick energy isn’t about having a small dick tho. It’s a reflection of an attitude that men who are offensive, aggressive, nasty to people are overcompensating for their insecurities. A small dick doesn’t mean you won’t be able to find a partner or that you’re any less of a man. Being a downright trash bag of a human to others, like in this instance where an internet edgelord is cyber bullying a teenager on the internet who is fighting for the survival of our planet/humanity is an example of this trash behavior, is more of a determining factor. \nYou can also have a small dick but have big dick energy, as it’s reflective of who you are as a person. It’s an attitude. It’s who you choose to be to yourself and others. Hell, there’s women who use the term that they have big dick energy and I can tell you those women’s dicks are none existent so therefore size isn’t a thing. \nNo one should be made fun of for something they had no control over. The worth of a man is not tied to the size of his penis. Although, toxic masculinity and shallow people will tell you different. They say the same for disabled people, fat people etc. There’s plenty of people who are not “conventional standards of beauty” which is the majority of us, that lead happy, healthy relationships. Those relationships start with yourself and understanding your worth as a person isn’t tied to what you look like or how big your junk is. \nThe point is if you choose to be a trash person like Tate, where your self worth is tied into how cruel/offensive you can be to other people, don’t be mad if people call you out for that trashy attitude. Your post definitely reeks of “men are the true victims” when clearly you didn’t seem to have a problem with a grown man cyber bullying a teenager.",
">\n\nI like how you imply that OP is a fan of a literal human trafficker because they point out that a body-shaming insult is body-shaming. Do you understand why associating a trait of someone's body with negative personality traits is bad?",
">\n\nNo because people like this always have exceptions that allow them to use the things they complain about. Cognitive gymnastics allows them to recognise shaming women and people of colour is bad, because society will eat them otherwise, but when someone shows up who deserves a bit of a roasting all of their social etiquette rules go out the window and the excuses come out as to why in this context it doesn't count.\n\"Ahh no, here it is a reflection of an attitude\" blah blah 3 paragraphs later and we've clouded over the simple fact that body shaming is body shaming and harms people you weren't intending to insult.",
">\n\nPeople like this? You’re assuming things about me because I am a character in your mind not a real person. I am not a monolith. We should not be body shaming people. I am explaining the other side of this issue and why people use these terms. You never asked if I use these same terms in my life. You assumed I do. I don’t. You didn’t even bother to read my response because if you did you would have realized this.",
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">\n\nYou can have smol pp but big pp energy and vice versa",
">\n\nSo why is the phrase small dick energy if it has nothing to do with having a small dick?",
">\n\nIdk man, I just work here.",
">\n\nYou know why. Lol cause small dick is associated with bad. And by insulting dicks you use this knowledge to offend, at the cost of body shaming people. \nStop feigning dumb just to avoid the reasoning lol",
">\n\nI can see how it would be offensive, and I wouldn’t use it myself. I feel like the phrase refers more to how someone acts as opposed to how they are endowed. And how it’s behavior and actions that make people think down of you not your penis.",
">\n\nPoint is that we, as a society, should encourage better insults that attack the comments of the person without necessarily having to equate it to something someone with a small dick.",
">\n\nWould you agree with me, that if Andrew clapped back with one of those that the internet would be up in arms about it?",
">\n\nYou mean the way that you are, here, on the internet, up in arms?",
">\n\nIm one person on reddit, theres no major backlash like there would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\nSee, what's happening here is that you are also looking at people who are \"one person on Reddit\" and pretending it's a major backlash. Andrew Tate says fucked up things about women all the time (in fact, it's kind of his whole schtick) and it's as much of a non-event as this is.",
">\n\nPlease link me to something fucked up hes said about women, and ill agree with you, two wrongs don't make a right.",
">\n\nHere's exhibit A.",
">\n\nSure I agree with you he has said fucked up stuff about women, it doesn't mean its okay to make a joke about small dick energy.\nDo you understand my point?",
">\n\nWe understand, it's just that your point is fucking stupid",
">\n\nYou have no idea what his point is, it's funny that people on this thread OP and others actually like Andrew Tate.\nIt proves that everyone is completely frothingly tribalistic with zero nuance.",
">\n\nIf someone is behaving insufferably, people are going to laugh at them for things that they wouldn’t find funny if it happened to someone they liked.\nFor example, is it funny when people go bankrupt? No. Would it be funny if someone like Andrew Tate went bankrupt after boasting about Bugattis and all of his mass wealth? Yes. This doesn’t mean people who would make fun of him for that are making fun of poverty or all people who lose their livelihoods, it would just be funny if it happened to that particular person. \nIn the same way, the idea that Tate does all the douchey, over the top macho things that he does in order to compensate for having a small penis is funny, whilst it not being funny to make fun of every person who has a small penis.",
">\n\nSubstitute fat. Is that ok?",
">\n\nDepends on what the fat person is doing. If the person is minding their own business then no, if the fat person is attacking other people’s appearances then yeah go for it.",
">\n\nInteresting take. Might want to play with that a bit. A lot of situations where your reasoning falls apart.",
">\n\nPeople insulted Trump for being fat when he tried to say he was like the most fit person ever. People make fun of Elon Musk's body. You can make the same type of insult to two different people and it come off two different ways. \nWhen you make your identity or argument around something it opens up certain insults and comebacks. \nTate's whole thing is trying to act like this \"alpha male\" when in reality he's a sex trafficking weirdo who pays women to hang out with him. It's totally fine to insult him with a childish insult. \nI also find that people worried or mad about this don't actually care about body image issues. They just want a gotcha moment for people. Because many would have shitty takes about fat people or whine about pc culture.",
">\n\nWhen you call some MF that doesn't necessarily mean you are a MF... I'm not saying it's okay to say abusing words but we still do use them.\nI don't think she said it in literal terms, it was completely literary. Also she only said it cause it was Tate who she said it to. Also if a woman has small tits and someone said to someone else that they have small tits energy, I don't think one who actually has small tits would mind it, cause she is not involved and it's kinda perfect way of irritating Tate.. cause he really cares about these things. \nWhen it comes to increasing the insecurity of someone who actually has small D and is insecure about it... She couldn't think so far cause all she wanted was to irritate Tate and she was successful",
">\n\nI don't think it even irritated him if that was her goal but definitely helped him with popularity. It just proves what he says people think of insecure men, it just moves them to him and he gains more influence. It was an ignorant reply in poor taste. Someone with much following and influence as Greta shouldn't be as irresponsible and the followers shouldn't be having to do mental gymnastics to defend her instead of seeing it as it is: body shaming against men.",
">\n\nIs this some kind of weird meta-game? Are Andrew Tate fans pretending to actually be offended by this stupid insult to prove a point? Does anybody actually think her retort was any sharper than a brick wrapped in a wet blanket?\nWhat is going on here?!",
">\n\n\nWhat is going on here?!\n\nAndrew Tate fans have a lot of small dick energy. That's whats going on.",
">\n\nWhy are people not allowed dislike tate (he's an absolute idiot and a grifter) and also to criticize obvious body shaming from a supposed progressive? If Biden started talking about \"N*gger energy\" criticizing Kanye for antisemitism, would that be ok in your eyes? Would you say that a black guy who doesn't like that must be an angry Kanye fan? Or is it disgustingly offensive towards all African Americans to use that type of language no matter what?",
">\n\nBecause it suits their narrative to frame it as if people are just defending tate. It's easier than just actually defending body shaming. Done deal.",
">\n\nI think Greta used that phrase not because she actually believes or wants to promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior, but because people like Andrew Tate believe and promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior. If Andrew Tate gets hurt because Greta says he has small dick energy, then maybe -- just maybe, with the tiniest bit of introspection -- he'll come to realize how hateful some of his language is.\nBullies like Andrew Tate don't really respond to logic or pleas for sympathy. The only way to maybe make them understand the hurt they cause is to inflict it on them, because they don't care about anyone but themselves. \nSo instead of putting the cart before the horse and blaming Greta for using an offensive phrase as an argumentative tactic, maybe blame the people who use the phrase to actually demean people.",
">\n\nCan we substitute fat instead and be justified?",
">\n\nYes people did that with Trump when he claimed to be the fittest person ever basically. If someone has a habit of insulting people a certain way or making certain claims then they open themselves up to specific insults. \nSometimes we'd find those insults not tasteful if said to other people. But I feel like most people equating this to fat insults don't actually care about fat people. A lot of people would also be like oh things are getting too pc or soft or woke when it comes to body positivity towards fat people. So for me it's hard to buy this line of reasoning as being truly valid or caring.",
">\n\nNo one said it has to be authentic caring. This sub is for exploring the intellectual arguments. Your perception of how authentic someone’s feelings towards fat people is basically irrelevant. Argue the point or don’t. Passing your authenticity test is a wierd standard to try to argue for.",
">\n\nSorry, u/AlternativeFukts – your comment has been removed for breaking Rule 5: \n\nComments must contribute meaningfully to the conversation. \n\nComments should be on-topic, serious, and contain enough content to move the discussion forward. Jokes, contradictions without explanation, links without context, off-topic comments, and \"written upvotes\" will be removed. Read the wiki for more information. \nIf you would like to appeal, review our appeals process here, then message the moderators by clicking this link within one week of this notice being posted.",
">\n\nYes, making insults is offensive. That's the point.\nInsults that reference a body part are also offensive to people who are insecure about that body part. That's also kinda obvious.\nWhat do you want your mind changed about here? I'm unclear about what you think can be discussed about an insult meant to be insulting. Are you arguing that this insult is especially wrong in some way?\nHow is this not just you soapboxing?",
">\n\nThere's a reason as a society we don't use insults like \"retard\". This is in the same vein. You're attributing a negative thing with a man having a small penis. This is harmful as it perpetuates the stigma surrounding penis size which is outside ones control. Essentially it degrades a group of people who have nothing to do with it. OP wants to know whether or not this is reconciled. Reading the comments... It has not been. \nMaking gendered insults doesn't bother me truthfully but I can understand the frustration OP is expressing because were it to be a man making some edgy reference to a woman's lady parts being inadequate as a way to demean them then everyone would be outraged as opposed to cheering it on.",
">\n\nUsing “small dick” as an insult, or “loose pussy” isn’t really offensive unless you are insecure about the physical viability of your reproductive organs. \nBut, that doesn’t make it funny. It’s a really juvenile and uncreative way of ridiculing someone.",
">\n\nInsecure women are offended when they're fat shamed.\nIt's still body shaming.\nIt's still wrong.",
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">\n\nGuy randomly decides to flex on her by saying I HAVE CARS AND I LIKE TO GO VROOOOM. It's like when Piers decides that it's absolutely important to eat meat in front of vegans. It's not about penis size. It's just that smalldickenergy is a perfect explanation of why would someone decide to behave like this.",
">\n\nShe is 19. Maybe in a few years she will have more mature insults. It’s a lot of pressure to be put on someone so young to also say the perfect thing all the time",
">\n\nUnder nearly all circumstances, I agree with you.\nHowever, for a lot of people who have built a cult of personality around any given ideal, insults of the inoffensive type are completely commonplace. All they have to do is fend off one or two instances of this PG rated attacks, strawman them, call them snowflakes, and their following is bolstered and enhanced. Instead of having any negative effect, it becomes part of their inherent power.\nSometimes if you want to rattle a cult leader you have to hit with precision their most critical weakness and watch them implode. The fact that Tate is squirming so hard and doing everything he can to reclaim some of his dignity after Greta's clapback means that she has his number. Great isn't saying that having a small dick is bad, but knowing that Tate's entire personality is built about being an alpha male and that calling into question the size of his member will hurt him the most is what she was after. \nOf course, it wasn't classy and could be offensive to some. But as the saying goes, sometimes you have to fight fire with fire.",
">\n\nReally is he squirming? \nHe's rich he's popular and now he's gotten someone he disagrees with to repeat his ideology and platform spreading it to a wider audience. \nI'd argue he's happy for the attention and popularity that she's given to him now and enjoying the increased sales in his business as more men who feel marginalized and left out join him seeing this hypocrisy playing out. Not to mention all the political players( internationally) who were against climate action seeing all this and aligning themselves appropriately, possibly propping him up and making him something more than what he actually is- An ignorant troll. \nEngage with a troll and you only give them more power. The tweet was dumb and people should know better.\nEdit: spacing",
">\n\nI'm not commenting on whether or not his fans will like him more or if the controversy will inadvertently grant him a wider audience. \nI'm commenting that Greta knew exactly where and how to hit him the hardest. Yes, he is definitely squirming. He has scrambled out half a dozen prepubescent \"I know you are but what am I\" tweets. Then he went and made the absolute cringiest response video. He's incensed by being talked down to by Greta and is overcompensating. \nDid her tweet have any net positive effect on society? No. Did it ruffle Tate's feathers and make his blood boil? Yea. Would he have even cared if she called him a misogynistic prick? Absolutely not. He would have just told her to sit down and shut up, that misogyny is made up by inferior women blah blah blah...\nInstead, his insecurities are eating him alive.",
">\n\nWhy even respond and give him attention that he so desperately craves? And why body shame men in the process? \nIf she didn't have a better insult she could have just went on with her life instead of helping him grow. Using \"small dick energy\" as an insult means implicitly we agree that people with small penises are inferior and undesirable. That's basically what Tate is on about ( Toxic masculinity). And by laughing at her tweet we all reinforce that perception. Do you get that? \nSick of double standards and hypocrisy. At least people should have the courage to own up and acknowledge it then move on instead of doubling down and performing mental gymnastics to justify an obvious case of body shaming.\nI agree with you on one thing that the net effect on society because of this tweet exchange is negative and only serves the people who Greta and her followers hate.",
">\n\nI think you are missing what I am saying. I fully agree that it wasn't necessary nor was it the right thing for Greta to do. I also agree that it just gives him attention and was overall a useless venture other for the entertainment of Tate haters.\nOP asked why it is okay. I stated that it isn't okay but that I understand why Greta took that road rather than the suggested non-offensive approach. It is because he's immune to it. What he isn't immune to is his masculinity and ego being questioned. What is the point of the Wolf continuing to blow on the brick house? None. To get to the scared little piggies inside he needs a jackhammer. \nAnd it worked exactly how she planned it to. He was rattled and anyone who hates Tate is amused. \nNot saying it's the right thing to do, nor do I want anyone to feel ashamed of the size of their penis.",
">\n\nOk.. thanks for elaborating on that. I misunderstood your comment as a disagreement and engaged to try and change your mind but seems we share the same view.",
">\n\nYou do not know what Greta is \"fully aware\" of. She is referring to character and behaviour, why are you taking this personally? She isn't speaking to you, hasn't seen you, doesn't know you. I don't know why you are externalizing your issue like this and waving it around in public, is it our responsibility to fix this for you?\nShe was just making a tiny joke. Relax. smalldickenergy @ getalife .com is hilarious.",
">\n\nAside from everything else, it's men who started the 'big dick energy' idiocy so to then complain when someone uses their own stupidity against them...",
">\n\nYeah because men are a monolith and we all meet in a room and know each other smh.",
">\n\nThey’re saying it’s offensive to more than just Andrew Tate",
">\n\nYeah but again, ISN'T THE PURPOSE",
">\n\nWhat do you mean again? You didn’t say that before. And why does the purpose matter? You can do a bad thing without meaning to.",
">\n\nI meant to say isn't that the purpose lol mb",
">\n\nOh lol I probably should have realized that. But I think the point of the insult was to offend Andrew Tate.",
">\n\nFair. Trying to not say anything about him one way or another so I don't get downvoted to hell.",
">\n\nGreta lost that argument. She literally has like a hundred things Tate has said and done she could attack. Easy target... The one thing she chose to do is to body shame the man. It's just name calling. It's not a refutation of Tate. If anything it makes her sound stupid for her inability to come up with a refutation.",
">\n\nExactly. But people are just cheering her on and laughing along without grasping the nuance of the situation.",
">\n\nI think you are kinda missing the point. People know it offensive. The issue is that they don't care.",
">\n\nPeople used to make fun of small tits all the time. Remember the 90s? Remember the itty bitty titty committee? I don't know if that's a thing any more, but skinny women with no butts are definitely not seen as attractive. It's not fair. It's not their fault. People need to stop shaming themselves and eachother, and accept all bodies. Until then, \"small dick energy\" won't cease to be an insult. I guess the difference is people are sort of \"punching up\" since it's always been people with dicks who have the power in this world. I've never heard a dude say that another dude has \"small dick energy.\" It's always a woman saying that. Either way I think it's dumb but I get it. I've always thought \"Karen\" was a dumb insult too. Not someone's fault they were named Karen, LOL.",
">\n\nAndrew insulted her. He was asking for this insult. She was totally in the right. She wasn’t trying to shame anyone else. You’re asking for this insult too.",
">\n\nIsn't it more offensive for small pp folk, that there is a guy who base his entire existence on top of an argument that being an alpha, prime male is the most important thing in the world, and you need to be a testosterone bomb gorilla to have any kind of value. Isn't that argument disregards small dick guys in the first place?",
">\n\nAnd Greta just reinforced it with her reply. Do you see the problem now?\nEdit:replaced \"comment\" with \"reply\"",
">\n\nI believe I've already made a statement about what the problem is.",
">\n\nThen do you understand why Greta's reply is offensive and playing into Andrew Tate's hands?",
">\n\nLol this is twitter. There is no playing into each other's hands. Get outside.",
">\n\nOh look. Greta is human. Someone who spent a lot of her growing up time trying to educate people.\nIf she was in a bar and some doofus made a pass, she's just asserting herself. Age and context. Good on her.",
">\n\nIt is actually been studied. Men with small penises actually do have less energy- testosterone or something.",
">\n\nBeing offended by anything is each person's individual choice. If something is offensive to you, then simply choose to not be offended by it. It's truly that simple.",
">\n\nSo there is no such thing as hate speech?",
">\n\nNo, I didn't say that. Someone can certainly say something to someone that they hate with words that they feel will harm them mentally. That is \"hate speech\". The point I was trying to make is that we all as individuals have the choice to react to whatever someone says in whatever way we choose to react. If I feel offended by something that someone is saying, it is my choice to be offended by it.",
">\n\nI pretty much agree, but now we come to who decides. Does the person doing the talking decide whether it is hate speech? Or the person being talked at?"
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"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult.",
">\n\nIt's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh.",
">\n\nHonestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV",
">\n\nPeople can make mistakes and this was one of them.. so we can all just criticize her reply fairly and move on. No need for acute mental gymnastics to defend her as this comments section is showing lmao.",
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">\n\nI don't think anyone is arguing it's not offensive. I'm pretty sure she was trying to offend insecure men. Apparently with great success.",
">\n\nShe was trying to offend men who were insecure about their body image?\nHow is that not body shaming?",
">\n\nIt is, but we playing the avoidance and rationalization game",
">\n\nbecause women invented \"small dick energy\"\nharsh, sad. but we go jim🗿",
">\n\nOP never mentioned women tho. Post is strictly about why it's offensive. Do you disagree that it's not offensive or you think it's a trivial matter to make fun of that men's mental health doesn't matter as much?",
">\n\nThe female equivalent is\n\"Loose Pussy Energy\".\nThe typical man-hate hypocrisy commonly going around is beyond obvious. And it is an attack on All men and boys not just some.",
">\n\nNot a disagreement per se, but also worth noting that it’s transphobic. Which is to say, it insults all men by reinforcing patriarchy and punching down to two groups of men.",
">\n\nShe said small dick energy. Not that he had a small dick (though, come on). She used that phrase BECAUSE it's Tate. She's not a moron.\nHe is, as evidenced by his life to this point and his two responses to Thunberg, which were epically pathetic, is a moron and didn't seem to get it, though he doesn't get a lot.",
">\n\nThis is worse than saying he has a small dick, because how would she know, and that would just be dismissed as stupid.\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\nI can't understand the mental gymnastics some people are doing to try and say this isn't body shaming.",
">\n\n\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\n\nI mean yeah -- kind of like how pussy is an insult denoting cowardice, cunt is an insult meaning basically, terrible, etc., \nShe used that on purpose. Are you making CMV every time you see someone calling someone else a pussy?",
">\n\nPussy is kind of already known to be a shitty gendered insult so it doesn't need a CMV. In this case, Greta's gendered \"having a small penis is bad\" tweet is massively amplified, reached r/all on a shitload of subs, etc. so some discussion about whether or not that is cool is warranted",
">\n\nSmall dick energy isn’t about having a small dick tho. It’s a reflection of an attitude that men who are offensive, aggressive, nasty to people are overcompensating for their insecurities. A small dick doesn’t mean you won’t be able to find a partner or that you’re any less of a man. Being a downright trash bag of a human to others, like in this instance where an internet edgelord is cyber bullying a teenager on the internet who is fighting for the survival of our planet/humanity is an example of this trash behavior, is more of a determining factor. \nYou can also have a small dick but have big dick energy, as it’s reflective of who you are as a person. It’s an attitude. It’s who you choose to be to yourself and others. Hell, there’s women who use the term that they have big dick energy and I can tell you those women’s dicks are none existent so therefore size isn’t a thing. \nNo one should be made fun of for something they had no control over. The worth of a man is not tied to the size of his penis. Although, toxic masculinity and shallow people will tell you different. They say the same for disabled people, fat people etc. There’s plenty of people who are not “conventional standards of beauty” which is the majority of us, that lead happy, healthy relationships. Those relationships start with yourself and understanding your worth as a person isn’t tied to what you look like or how big your junk is. \nThe point is if you choose to be a trash person like Tate, where your self worth is tied into how cruel/offensive you can be to other people, don’t be mad if people call you out for that trashy attitude. Your post definitely reeks of “men are the true victims” when clearly you didn’t seem to have a problem with a grown man cyber bullying a teenager.",
">\n\nI like how you imply that OP is a fan of a literal human trafficker because they point out that a body-shaming insult is body-shaming. Do you understand why associating a trait of someone's body with negative personality traits is bad?",
">\n\nNo because people like this always have exceptions that allow them to use the things they complain about. Cognitive gymnastics allows them to recognise shaming women and people of colour is bad, because society will eat them otherwise, but when someone shows up who deserves a bit of a roasting all of their social etiquette rules go out the window and the excuses come out as to why in this context it doesn't count.\n\"Ahh no, here it is a reflection of an attitude\" blah blah 3 paragraphs later and we've clouded over the simple fact that body shaming is body shaming and harms people you weren't intending to insult.",
">\n\nPeople like this? You’re assuming things about me because I am a character in your mind not a real person. I am not a monolith. We should not be body shaming people. I am explaining the other side of this issue and why people use these terms. You never asked if I use these same terms in my life. You assumed I do. I don’t. You didn’t even bother to read my response because if you did you would have realized this.",
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">\n\nYou can have smol pp but big pp energy and vice versa",
">\n\nSo why is the phrase small dick energy if it has nothing to do with having a small dick?",
">\n\nIdk man, I just work here.",
">\n\nYou know why. Lol cause small dick is associated with bad. And by insulting dicks you use this knowledge to offend, at the cost of body shaming people. \nStop feigning dumb just to avoid the reasoning lol",
">\n\nI can see how it would be offensive, and I wouldn’t use it myself. I feel like the phrase refers more to how someone acts as opposed to how they are endowed. And how it’s behavior and actions that make people think down of you not your penis.",
">\n\nPoint is that we, as a society, should encourage better insults that attack the comments of the person without necessarily having to equate it to something someone with a small dick.",
">\n\nWould you agree with me, that if Andrew clapped back with one of those that the internet would be up in arms about it?",
">\n\nYou mean the way that you are, here, on the internet, up in arms?",
">\n\nIm one person on reddit, theres no major backlash like there would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\nSee, what's happening here is that you are also looking at people who are \"one person on Reddit\" and pretending it's a major backlash. Andrew Tate says fucked up things about women all the time (in fact, it's kind of his whole schtick) and it's as much of a non-event as this is.",
">\n\nPlease link me to something fucked up hes said about women, and ill agree with you, two wrongs don't make a right.",
">\n\nHere's exhibit A.",
">\n\nSure I agree with you he has said fucked up stuff about women, it doesn't mean its okay to make a joke about small dick energy.\nDo you understand my point?",
">\n\nWe understand, it's just that your point is fucking stupid",
">\n\nYou have no idea what his point is, it's funny that people on this thread OP and others actually like Andrew Tate.\nIt proves that everyone is completely frothingly tribalistic with zero nuance.",
">\n\nIf someone is behaving insufferably, people are going to laugh at them for things that they wouldn’t find funny if it happened to someone they liked.\nFor example, is it funny when people go bankrupt? No. Would it be funny if someone like Andrew Tate went bankrupt after boasting about Bugattis and all of his mass wealth? Yes. This doesn’t mean people who would make fun of him for that are making fun of poverty or all people who lose their livelihoods, it would just be funny if it happened to that particular person. \nIn the same way, the idea that Tate does all the douchey, over the top macho things that he does in order to compensate for having a small penis is funny, whilst it not being funny to make fun of every person who has a small penis.",
">\n\nSubstitute fat. Is that ok?",
">\n\nDepends on what the fat person is doing. If the person is minding their own business then no, if the fat person is attacking other people’s appearances then yeah go for it.",
">\n\nInteresting take. Might want to play with that a bit. A lot of situations where your reasoning falls apart.",
">\n\nPeople insulted Trump for being fat when he tried to say he was like the most fit person ever. People make fun of Elon Musk's body. You can make the same type of insult to two different people and it come off two different ways. \nWhen you make your identity or argument around something it opens up certain insults and comebacks. \nTate's whole thing is trying to act like this \"alpha male\" when in reality he's a sex trafficking weirdo who pays women to hang out with him. It's totally fine to insult him with a childish insult. \nI also find that people worried or mad about this don't actually care about body image issues. They just want a gotcha moment for people. Because many would have shitty takes about fat people or whine about pc culture.",
">\n\nWhen you call some MF that doesn't necessarily mean you are a MF... I'm not saying it's okay to say abusing words but we still do use them.\nI don't think she said it in literal terms, it was completely literary. Also she only said it cause it was Tate who she said it to. Also if a woman has small tits and someone said to someone else that they have small tits energy, I don't think one who actually has small tits would mind it, cause she is not involved and it's kinda perfect way of irritating Tate.. cause he really cares about these things. \nWhen it comes to increasing the insecurity of someone who actually has small D and is insecure about it... She couldn't think so far cause all she wanted was to irritate Tate and she was successful",
">\n\nI don't think it even irritated him if that was her goal but definitely helped him with popularity. It just proves what he says people think of insecure men, it just moves them to him and he gains more influence. It was an ignorant reply in poor taste. Someone with much following and influence as Greta shouldn't be as irresponsible and the followers shouldn't be having to do mental gymnastics to defend her instead of seeing it as it is: body shaming against men.",
">\n\nIs this some kind of weird meta-game? Are Andrew Tate fans pretending to actually be offended by this stupid insult to prove a point? Does anybody actually think her retort was any sharper than a brick wrapped in a wet blanket?\nWhat is going on here?!",
">\n\n\nWhat is going on here?!\n\nAndrew Tate fans have a lot of small dick energy. That's whats going on.",
">\n\nWhy are people not allowed dislike tate (he's an absolute idiot and a grifter) and also to criticize obvious body shaming from a supposed progressive? If Biden started talking about \"N*gger energy\" criticizing Kanye for antisemitism, would that be ok in your eyes? Would you say that a black guy who doesn't like that must be an angry Kanye fan? Or is it disgustingly offensive towards all African Americans to use that type of language no matter what?",
">\n\nBecause it suits their narrative to frame it as if people are just defending tate. It's easier than just actually defending body shaming. Done deal.",
">\n\nI think Greta used that phrase not because she actually believes or wants to promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior, but because people like Andrew Tate believe and promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior. If Andrew Tate gets hurt because Greta says he has small dick energy, then maybe -- just maybe, with the tiniest bit of introspection -- he'll come to realize how hateful some of his language is.\nBullies like Andrew Tate don't really respond to logic or pleas for sympathy. The only way to maybe make them understand the hurt they cause is to inflict it on them, because they don't care about anyone but themselves. \nSo instead of putting the cart before the horse and blaming Greta for using an offensive phrase as an argumentative tactic, maybe blame the people who use the phrase to actually demean people.",
">\n\nCan we substitute fat instead and be justified?",
">\n\nYes people did that with Trump when he claimed to be the fittest person ever basically. If someone has a habit of insulting people a certain way or making certain claims then they open themselves up to specific insults. \nSometimes we'd find those insults not tasteful if said to other people. But I feel like most people equating this to fat insults don't actually care about fat people. A lot of people would also be like oh things are getting too pc or soft or woke when it comes to body positivity towards fat people. So for me it's hard to buy this line of reasoning as being truly valid or caring.",
">\n\nNo one said it has to be authentic caring. This sub is for exploring the intellectual arguments. Your perception of how authentic someone’s feelings towards fat people is basically irrelevant. Argue the point or don’t. Passing your authenticity test is a wierd standard to try to argue for.",
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">\n\nYes, making insults is offensive. That's the point.\nInsults that reference a body part are also offensive to people who are insecure about that body part. That's also kinda obvious.\nWhat do you want your mind changed about here? I'm unclear about what you think can be discussed about an insult meant to be insulting. Are you arguing that this insult is especially wrong in some way?\nHow is this not just you soapboxing?",
">\n\nThere's a reason as a society we don't use insults like \"retard\". This is in the same vein. You're attributing a negative thing with a man having a small penis. This is harmful as it perpetuates the stigma surrounding penis size which is outside ones control. Essentially it degrades a group of people who have nothing to do with it. OP wants to know whether or not this is reconciled. Reading the comments... It has not been. \nMaking gendered insults doesn't bother me truthfully but I can understand the frustration OP is expressing because were it to be a man making some edgy reference to a woman's lady parts being inadequate as a way to demean them then everyone would be outraged as opposed to cheering it on.",
">\n\nUsing “small dick” as an insult, or “loose pussy” isn’t really offensive unless you are insecure about the physical viability of your reproductive organs. \nBut, that doesn’t make it funny. It’s a really juvenile and uncreative way of ridiculing someone.",
">\n\nInsecure women are offended when they're fat shamed.\nIt's still body shaming.\nIt's still wrong.",
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">\n\nGuy randomly decides to flex on her by saying I HAVE CARS AND I LIKE TO GO VROOOOM. It's like when Piers decides that it's absolutely important to eat meat in front of vegans. It's not about penis size. It's just that smalldickenergy is a perfect explanation of why would someone decide to behave like this.",
">\n\nShe is 19. Maybe in a few years she will have more mature insults. It’s a lot of pressure to be put on someone so young to also say the perfect thing all the time",
">\n\nUnder nearly all circumstances, I agree with you.\nHowever, for a lot of people who have built a cult of personality around any given ideal, insults of the inoffensive type are completely commonplace. All they have to do is fend off one or two instances of this PG rated attacks, strawman them, call them snowflakes, and their following is bolstered and enhanced. Instead of having any negative effect, it becomes part of their inherent power.\nSometimes if you want to rattle a cult leader you have to hit with precision their most critical weakness and watch them implode. The fact that Tate is squirming so hard and doing everything he can to reclaim some of his dignity after Greta's clapback means that she has his number. Great isn't saying that having a small dick is bad, but knowing that Tate's entire personality is built about being an alpha male and that calling into question the size of his member will hurt him the most is what she was after. \nOf course, it wasn't classy and could be offensive to some. But as the saying goes, sometimes you have to fight fire with fire.",
">\n\nReally is he squirming? \nHe's rich he's popular and now he's gotten someone he disagrees with to repeat his ideology and platform spreading it to a wider audience. \nI'd argue he's happy for the attention and popularity that she's given to him now and enjoying the increased sales in his business as more men who feel marginalized and left out join him seeing this hypocrisy playing out. Not to mention all the political players( internationally) who were against climate action seeing all this and aligning themselves appropriately, possibly propping him up and making him something more than what he actually is- An ignorant troll. \nEngage with a troll and you only give them more power. The tweet was dumb and people should know better.\nEdit: spacing",
">\n\nI'm not commenting on whether or not his fans will like him more or if the controversy will inadvertently grant him a wider audience. \nI'm commenting that Greta knew exactly where and how to hit him the hardest. Yes, he is definitely squirming. He has scrambled out half a dozen prepubescent \"I know you are but what am I\" tweets. Then he went and made the absolute cringiest response video. He's incensed by being talked down to by Greta and is overcompensating. \nDid her tweet have any net positive effect on society? No. Did it ruffle Tate's feathers and make his blood boil? Yea. Would he have even cared if she called him a misogynistic prick? Absolutely not. He would have just told her to sit down and shut up, that misogyny is made up by inferior women blah blah blah...\nInstead, his insecurities are eating him alive.",
">\n\nWhy even respond and give him attention that he so desperately craves? And why body shame men in the process? \nIf she didn't have a better insult she could have just went on with her life instead of helping him grow. Using \"small dick energy\" as an insult means implicitly we agree that people with small penises are inferior and undesirable. That's basically what Tate is on about ( Toxic masculinity). And by laughing at her tweet we all reinforce that perception. Do you get that? \nSick of double standards and hypocrisy. At least people should have the courage to own up and acknowledge it then move on instead of doubling down and performing mental gymnastics to justify an obvious case of body shaming.\nI agree with you on one thing that the net effect on society because of this tweet exchange is negative and only serves the people who Greta and her followers hate.",
">\n\nI think you are missing what I am saying. I fully agree that it wasn't necessary nor was it the right thing for Greta to do. I also agree that it just gives him attention and was overall a useless venture other for the entertainment of Tate haters.\nOP asked why it is okay. I stated that it isn't okay but that I understand why Greta took that road rather than the suggested non-offensive approach. It is because he's immune to it. What he isn't immune to is his masculinity and ego being questioned. What is the point of the Wolf continuing to blow on the brick house? None. To get to the scared little piggies inside he needs a jackhammer. \nAnd it worked exactly how she planned it to. He was rattled and anyone who hates Tate is amused. \nNot saying it's the right thing to do, nor do I want anyone to feel ashamed of the size of their penis.",
">\n\nOk.. thanks for elaborating on that. I misunderstood your comment as a disagreement and engaged to try and change your mind but seems we share the same view.",
">\n\nYou do not know what Greta is \"fully aware\" of. She is referring to character and behaviour, why are you taking this personally? She isn't speaking to you, hasn't seen you, doesn't know you. I don't know why you are externalizing your issue like this and waving it around in public, is it our responsibility to fix this for you?\nShe was just making a tiny joke. Relax. smalldickenergy @ getalife .com is hilarious.",
">\n\nAside from everything else, it's men who started the 'big dick energy' idiocy so to then complain when someone uses their own stupidity against them...",
">\n\nYeah because men are a monolith and we all meet in a room and know each other smh.",
">\n\nThey’re saying it’s offensive to more than just Andrew Tate",
">\n\nYeah but again, ISN'T THE PURPOSE",
">\n\nWhat do you mean again? You didn’t say that before. And why does the purpose matter? You can do a bad thing without meaning to.",
">\n\nI meant to say isn't that the purpose lol mb",
">\n\nOh lol I probably should have realized that. But I think the point of the insult was to offend Andrew Tate.",
">\n\nFair. Trying to not say anything about him one way or another so I don't get downvoted to hell.",
">\n\nGreta lost that argument. She literally has like a hundred things Tate has said and done she could attack. Easy target... The one thing she chose to do is to body shame the man. It's just name calling. It's not a refutation of Tate. If anything it makes her sound stupid for her inability to come up with a refutation.",
">\n\nExactly. But people are just cheering her on and laughing along without grasping the nuance of the situation.",
">\n\nI think you are kinda missing the point. People know it offensive. The issue is that they don't care.",
">\n\nPeople used to make fun of small tits all the time. Remember the 90s? Remember the itty bitty titty committee? I don't know if that's a thing any more, but skinny women with no butts are definitely not seen as attractive. It's not fair. It's not their fault. People need to stop shaming themselves and eachother, and accept all bodies. Until then, \"small dick energy\" won't cease to be an insult. I guess the difference is people are sort of \"punching up\" since it's always been people with dicks who have the power in this world. I've never heard a dude say that another dude has \"small dick energy.\" It's always a woman saying that. Either way I think it's dumb but I get it. I've always thought \"Karen\" was a dumb insult too. Not someone's fault they were named Karen, LOL.",
">\n\nAndrew insulted her. He was asking for this insult. She was totally in the right. She wasn’t trying to shame anyone else. You’re asking for this insult too.",
">\n\nIsn't it more offensive for small pp folk, that there is a guy who base his entire existence on top of an argument that being an alpha, prime male is the most important thing in the world, and you need to be a testosterone bomb gorilla to have any kind of value. Isn't that argument disregards small dick guys in the first place?",
">\n\nAnd Greta just reinforced it with her reply. Do you see the problem now?\nEdit:replaced \"comment\" with \"reply\"",
">\n\nI believe I've already made a statement about what the problem is.",
">\n\nThen do you understand why Greta's reply is offensive and playing into Andrew Tate's hands?",
">\n\nLol this is twitter. There is no playing into each other's hands. Get outside.",
">\n\nOh look. Greta is human. Someone who spent a lot of her growing up time trying to educate people.\nIf she was in a bar and some doofus made a pass, she's just asserting herself. Age and context. Good on her.",
">\n\nIt is actually been studied. Men with small penises actually do have less energy- testosterone or something.",
">\n\nBeing offended by anything is each person's individual choice. If something is offensive to you, then simply choose to not be offended by it. It's truly that simple.",
">\n\nSo there is no such thing as hate speech?",
">\n\nNo, I didn't say that. Someone can certainly say something to someone that they hate with words that they feel will harm them mentally. That is \"hate speech\". The point I was trying to make is that we all as individuals have the choice to react to whatever someone says in whatever way we choose to react. If I feel offended by something that someone is saying, it is my choice to be offended by it.",
">\n\nI pretty much agree, but now we come to who decides. Does the person doing the talking decide whether it is hate speech? Or the person being talked at?",
">\n\nThere is no decision. The person who is talking thinks that what they are saying is not hateful, or they do. The person being talked at thinks that what the other person is saying is hateful, or they don't. The point is that it only matters if you make it matter to you. For example, if I say you are the dumbest person on earth, am I committing the crime of hate speech? Are you the dumbest person on earth? Probably not. But maybe I believe that you are. Does that make it true? If so, then it's not hate speech it's the truth...to me. If you, personally, believe that you are not the dumbest person on earth, then why would you concern yourself with what my dumbass has to say? To you, I'm the dumbest person on earth. I hope I'm getting my point across here."
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"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult.",
">\n\nIt's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh.",
">\n\nHonestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV",
">\n\nPeople can make mistakes and this was one of them.. so we can all just criticize her reply fairly and move on. No need for acute mental gymnastics to defend her as this comments section is showing lmao.",
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">\n\nI don't think anyone is arguing it's not offensive. I'm pretty sure she was trying to offend insecure men. Apparently with great success.",
">\n\nShe was trying to offend men who were insecure about their body image?\nHow is that not body shaming?",
">\n\nIt is, but we playing the avoidance and rationalization game",
">\n\nbecause women invented \"small dick energy\"\nharsh, sad. but we go jim🗿",
">\n\nOP never mentioned women tho. Post is strictly about why it's offensive. Do you disagree that it's not offensive or you think it's a trivial matter to make fun of that men's mental health doesn't matter as much?",
">\n\nThe female equivalent is\n\"Loose Pussy Energy\".\nThe typical man-hate hypocrisy commonly going around is beyond obvious. And it is an attack on All men and boys not just some.",
">\n\nNot a disagreement per se, but also worth noting that it’s transphobic. Which is to say, it insults all men by reinforcing patriarchy and punching down to two groups of men.",
">\n\nShe said small dick energy. Not that he had a small dick (though, come on). She used that phrase BECAUSE it's Tate. She's not a moron.\nHe is, as evidenced by his life to this point and his two responses to Thunberg, which were epically pathetic, is a moron and didn't seem to get it, though he doesn't get a lot.",
">\n\nThis is worse than saying he has a small dick, because how would she know, and that would just be dismissed as stupid.\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\nI can't understand the mental gymnastics some people are doing to try and say this isn't body shaming.",
">\n\n\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\n\nI mean yeah -- kind of like how pussy is an insult denoting cowardice, cunt is an insult meaning basically, terrible, etc., \nShe used that on purpose. Are you making CMV every time you see someone calling someone else a pussy?",
">\n\nPussy is kind of already known to be a shitty gendered insult so it doesn't need a CMV. In this case, Greta's gendered \"having a small penis is bad\" tweet is massively amplified, reached r/all on a shitload of subs, etc. so some discussion about whether or not that is cool is warranted",
">\n\nSmall dick energy isn’t about having a small dick tho. It’s a reflection of an attitude that men who are offensive, aggressive, nasty to people are overcompensating for their insecurities. A small dick doesn’t mean you won’t be able to find a partner or that you’re any less of a man. Being a downright trash bag of a human to others, like in this instance where an internet edgelord is cyber bullying a teenager on the internet who is fighting for the survival of our planet/humanity is an example of this trash behavior, is more of a determining factor. \nYou can also have a small dick but have big dick energy, as it’s reflective of who you are as a person. It’s an attitude. It’s who you choose to be to yourself and others. Hell, there’s women who use the term that they have big dick energy and I can tell you those women’s dicks are none existent so therefore size isn’t a thing. \nNo one should be made fun of for something they had no control over. The worth of a man is not tied to the size of his penis. Although, toxic masculinity and shallow people will tell you different. They say the same for disabled people, fat people etc. There’s plenty of people who are not “conventional standards of beauty” which is the majority of us, that lead happy, healthy relationships. Those relationships start with yourself and understanding your worth as a person isn’t tied to what you look like or how big your junk is. \nThe point is if you choose to be a trash person like Tate, where your self worth is tied into how cruel/offensive you can be to other people, don’t be mad if people call you out for that trashy attitude. Your post definitely reeks of “men are the true victims” when clearly you didn’t seem to have a problem with a grown man cyber bullying a teenager.",
">\n\nI like how you imply that OP is a fan of a literal human trafficker because they point out that a body-shaming insult is body-shaming. Do you understand why associating a trait of someone's body with negative personality traits is bad?",
">\n\nNo because people like this always have exceptions that allow them to use the things they complain about. Cognitive gymnastics allows them to recognise shaming women and people of colour is bad, because society will eat them otherwise, but when someone shows up who deserves a bit of a roasting all of their social etiquette rules go out the window and the excuses come out as to why in this context it doesn't count.\n\"Ahh no, here it is a reflection of an attitude\" blah blah 3 paragraphs later and we've clouded over the simple fact that body shaming is body shaming and harms people you weren't intending to insult.",
">\n\nPeople like this? You’re assuming things about me because I am a character in your mind not a real person. I am not a monolith. We should not be body shaming people. I am explaining the other side of this issue and why people use these terms. You never asked if I use these same terms in my life. You assumed I do. I don’t. You didn’t even bother to read my response because if you did you would have realized this.",
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">\n\nYou can have smol pp but big pp energy and vice versa",
">\n\nSo why is the phrase small dick energy if it has nothing to do with having a small dick?",
">\n\nIdk man, I just work here.",
">\n\nYou know why. Lol cause small dick is associated with bad. And by insulting dicks you use this knowledge to offend, at the cost of body shaming people. \nStop feigning dumb just to avoid the reasoning lol",
">\n\nI can see how it would be offensive, and I wouldn’t use it myself. I feel like the phrase refers more to how someone acts as opposed to how they are endowed. And how it’s behavior and actions that make people think down of you not your penis.",
">\n\nPoint is that we, as a society, should encourage better insults that attack the comments of the person without necessarily having to equate it to something someone with a small dick.",
">\n\nWould you agree with me, that if Andrew clapped back with one of those that the internet would be up in arms about it?",
">\n\nYou mean the way that you are, here, on the internet, up in arms?",
">\n\nIm one person on reddit, theres no major backlash like there would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\nSee, what's happening here is that you are also looking at people who are \"one person on Reddit\" and pretending it's a major backlash. Andrew Tate says fucked up things about women all the time (in fact, it's kind of his whole schtick) and it's as much of a non-event as this is.",
">\n\nPlease link me to something fucked up hes said about women, and ill agree with you, two wrongs don't make a right.",
">\n\nHere's exhibit A.",
">\n\nSure I agree with you he has said fucked up stuff about women, it doesn't mean its okay to make a joke about small dick energy.\nDo you understand my point?",
">\n\nWe understand, it's just that your point is fucking stupid",
">\n\nYou have no idea what his point is, it's funny that people on this thread OP and others actually like Andrew Tate.\nIt proves that everyone is completely frothingly tribalistic with zero nuance.",
">\n\nIf someone is behaving insufferably, people are going to laugh at them for things that they wouldn’t find funny if it happened to someone they liked.\nFor example, is it funny when people go bankrupt? No. Would it be funny if someone like Andrew Tate went bankrupt after boasting about Bugattis and all of his mass wealth? Yes. This doesn’t mean people who would make fun of him for that are making fun of poverty or all people who lose their livelihoods, it would just be funny if it happened to that particular person. \nIn the same way, the idea that Tate does all the douchey, over the top macho things that he does in order to compensate for having a small penis is funny, whilst it not being funny to make fun of every person who has a small penis.",
">\n\nSubstitute fat. Is that ok?",
">\n\nDepends on what the fat person is doing. If the person is minding their own business then no, if the fat person is attacking other people’s appearances then yeah go for it.",
">\n\nInteresting take. Might want to play with that a bit. A lot of situations where your reasoning falls apart.",
">\n\nPeople insulted Trump for being fat when he tried to say he was like the most fit person ever. People make fun of Elon Musk's body. You can make the same type of insult to two different people and it come off two different ways. \nWhen you make your identity or argument around something it opens up certain insults and comebacks. \nTate's whole thing is trying to act like this \"alpha male\" when in reality he's a sex trafficking weirdo who pays women to hang out with him. It's totally fine to insult him with a childish insult. \nI also find that people worried or mad about this don't actually care about body image issues. They just want a gotcha moment for people. Because many would have shitty takes about fat people or whine about pc culture.",
">\n\nWhen you call some MF that doesn't necessarily mean you are a MF... I'm not saying it's okay to say abusing words but we still do use them.\nI don't think she said it in literal terms, it was completely literary. Also she only said it cause it was Tate who she said it to. Also if a woman has small tits and someone said to someone else that they have small tits energy, I don't think one who actually has small tits would mind it, cause she is not involved and it's kinda perfect way of irritating Tate.. cause he really cares about these things. \nWhen it comes to increasing the insecurity of someone who actually has small D and is insecure about it... She couldn't think so far cause all she wanted was to irritate Tate and she was successful",
">\n\nI don't think it even irritated him if that was her goal but definitely helped him with popularity. It just proves what he says people think of insecure men, it just moves them to him and he gains more influence. It was an ignorant reply in poor taste. Someone with much following and influence as Greta shouldn't be as irresponsible and the followers shouldn't be having to do mental gymnastics to defend her instead of seeing it as it is: body shaming against men.",
">\n\nIs this some kind of weird meta-game? Are Andrew Tate fans pretending to actually be offended by this stupid insult to prove a point? Does anybody actually think her retort was any sharper than a brick wrapped in a wet blanket?\nWhat is going on here?!",
">\n\n\nWhat is going on here?!\n\nAndrew Tate fans have a lot of small dick energy. That's whats going on.",
">\n\nWhy are people not allowed dislike tate (he's an absolute idiot and a grifter) and also to criticize obvious body shaming from a supposed progressive? If Biden started talking about \"N*gger energy\" criticizing Kanye for antisemitism, would that be ok in your eyes? Would you say that a black guy who doesn't like that must be an angry Kanye fan? Or is it disgustingly offensive towards all African Americans to use that type of language no matter what?",
">\n\nBecause it suits their narrative to frame it as if people are just defending tate. It's easier than just actually defending body shaming. Done deal.",
">\n\nI think Greta used that phrase not because she actually believes or wants to promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior, but because people like Andrew Tate believe and promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior. If Andrew Tate gets hurt because Greta says he has small dick energy, then maybe -- just maybe, with the tiniest bit of introspection -- he'll come to realize how hateful some of his language is.\nBullies like Andrew Tate don't really respond to logic or pleas for sympathy. The only way to maybe make them understand the hurt they cause is to inflict it on them, because they don't care about anyone but themselves. \nSo instead of putting the cart before the horse and blaming Greta for using an offensive phrase as an argumentative tactic, maybe blame the people who use the phrase to actually demean people.",
">\n\nCan we substitute fat instead and be justified?",
">\n\nYes people did that with Trump when he claimed to be the fittest person ever basically. If someone has a habit of insulting people a certain way or making certain claims then they open themselves up to specific insults. \nSometimes we'd find those insults not tasteful if said to other people. But I feel like most people equating this to fat insults don't actually care about fat people. A lot of people would also be like oh things are getting too pc or soft or woke when it comes to body positivity towards fat people. So for me it's hard to buy this line of reasoning as being truly valid or caring.",
">\n\nNo one said it has to be authentic caring. This sub is for exploring the intellectual arguments. Your perception of how authentic someone’s feelings towards fat people is basically irrelevant. Argue the point or don’t. Passing your authenticity test is a wierd standard to try to argue for.",
">\n\nSorry, u/AlternativeFukts – your comment has been removed for breaking Rule 5: \n\nComments must contribute meaningfully to the conversation. \n\nComments should be on-topic, serious, and contain enough content to move the discussion forward. Jokes, contradictions without explanation, links without context, off-topic comments, and \"written upvotes\" will be removed. Read the wiki for more information. \nIf you would like to appeal, review our appeals process here, then message the moderators by clicking this link within one week of this notice being posted.",
">\n\nYes, making insults is offensive. That's the point.\nInsults that reference a body part are also offensive to people who are insecure about that body part. That's also kinda obvious.\nWhat do you want your mind changed about here? I'm unclear about what you think can be discussed about an insult meant to be insulting. Are you arguing that this insult is especially wrong in some way?\nHow is this not just you soapboxing?",
">\n\nThere's a reason as a society we don't use insults like \"retard\". This is in the same vein. You're attributing a negative thing with a man having a small penis. This is harmful as it perpetuates the stigma surrounding penis size which is outside ones control. Essentially it degrades a group of people who have nothing to do with it. OP wants to know whether or not this is reconciled. Reading the comments... It has not been. \nMaking gendered insults doesn't bother me truthfully but I can understand the frustration OP is expressing because were it to be a man making some edgy reference to a woman's lady parts being inadequate as a way to demean them then everyone would be outraged as opposed to cheering it on.",
">\n\nUsing “small dick” as an insult, or “loose pussy” isn’t really offensive unless you are insecure about the physical viability of your reproductive organs. \nBut, that doesn’t make it funny. It’s a really juvenile and uncreative way of ridiculing someone.",
">\n\nInsecure women are offended when they're fat shamed.\nIt's still body shaming.\nIt's still wrong.",
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">\n\nGuy randomly decides to flex on her by saying I HAVE CARS AND I LIKE TO GO VROOOOM. It's like when Piers decides that it's absolutely important to eat meat in front of vegans. It's not about penis size. It's just that smalldickenergy is a perfect explanation of why would someone decide to behave like this.",
">\n\nShe is 19. Maybe in a few years she will have more mature insults. It’s a lot of pressure to be put on someone so young to also say the perfect thing all the time",
">\n\nUnder nearly all circumstances, I agree with you.\nHowever, for a lot of people who have built a cult of personality around any given ideal, insults of the inoffensive type are completely commonplace. All they have to do is fend off one or two instances of this PG rated attacks, strawman them, call them snowflakes, and their following is bolstered and enhanced. Instead of having any negative effect, it becomes part of their inherent power.\nSometimes if you want to rattle a cult leader you have to hit with precision their most critical weakness and watch them implode. The fact that Tate is squirming so hard and doing everything he can to reclaim some of his dignity after Greta's clapback means that she has his number. Great isn't saying that having a small dick is bad, but knowing that Tate's entire personality is built about being an alpha male and that calling into question the size of his member will hurt him the most is what she was after. \nOf course, it wasn't classy and could be offensive to some. But as the saying goes, sometimes you have to fight fire with fire.",
">\n\nReally is he squirming? \nHe's rich he's popular and now he's gotten someone he disagrees with to repeat his ideology and platform spreading it to a wider audience. \nI'd argue he's happy for the attention and popularity that she's given to him now and enjoying the increased sales in his business as more men who feel marginalized and left out join him seeing this hypocrisy playing out. Not to mention all the political players( internationally) who were against climate action seeing all this and aligning themselves appropriately, possibly propping him up and making him something more than what he actually is- An ignorant troll. \nEngage with a troll and you only give them more power. The tweet was dumb and people should know better.\nEdit: spacing",
">\n\nI'm not commenting on whether or not his fans will like him more or if the controversy will inadvertently grant him a wider audience. \nI'm commenting that Greta knew exactly where and how to hit him the hardest. Yes, he is definitely squirming. He has scrambled out half a dozen prepubescent \"I know you are but what am I\" tweets. Then he went and made the absolute cringiest response video. He's incensed by being talked down to by Greta and is overcompensating. \nDid her tweet have any net positive effect on society? No. Did it ruffle Tate's feathers and make his blood boil? Yea. Would he have even cared if she called him a misogynistic prick? Absolutely not. He would have just told her to sit down and shut up, that misogyny is made up by inferior women blah blah blah...\nInstead, his insecurities are eating him alive.",
">\n\nWhy even respond and give him attention that he so desperately craves? And why body shame men in the process? \nIf she didn't have a better insult she could have just went on with her life instead of helping him grow. Using \"small dick energy\" as an insult means implicitly we agree that people with small penises are inferior and undesirable. That's basically what Tate is on about ( Toxic masculinity). And by laughing at her tweet we all reinforce that perception. Do you get that? \nSick of double standards and hypocrisy. At least people should have the courage to own up and acknowledge it then move on instead of doubling down and performing mental gymnastics to justify an obvious case of body shaming.\nI agree with you on one thing that the net effect on society because of this tweet exchange is negative and only serves the people who Greta and her followers hate.",
">\n\nI think you are missing what I am saying. I fully agree that it wasn't necessary nor was it the right thing for Greta to do. I also agree that it just gives him attention and was overall a useless venture other for the entertainment of Tate haters.\nOP asked why it is okay. I stated that it isn't okay but that I understand why Greta took that road rather than the suggested non-offensive approach. It is because he's immune to it. What he isn't immune to is his masculinity and ego being questioned. What is the point of the Wolf continuing to blow on the brick house? None. To get to the scared little piggies inside he needs a jackhammer. \nAnd it worked exactly how she planned it to. He was rattled and anyone who hates Tate is amused. \nNot saying it's the right thing to do, nor do I want anyone to feel ashamed of the size of their penis.",
">\n\nOk.. thanks for elaborating on that. I misunderstood your comment as a disagreement and engaged to try and change your mind but seems we share the same view.",
">\n\nYou do not know what Greta is \"fully aware\" of. She is referring to character and behaviour, why are you taking this personally? She isn't speaking to you, hasn't seen you, doesn't know you. I don't know why you are externalizing your issue like this and waving it around in public, is it our responsibility to fix this for you?\nShe was just making a tiny joke. Relax. smalldickenergy @ getalife .com is hilarious.",
">\n\nAside from everything else, it's men who started the 'big dick energy' idiocy so to then complain when someone uses their own stupidity against them...",
">\n\nYeah because men are a monolith and we all meet in a room and know each other smh.",
">\n\nThey’re saying it’s offensive to more than just Andrew Tate",
">\n\nYeah but again, ISN'T THE PURPOSE",
">\n\nWhat do you mean again? You didn’t say that before. And why does the purpose matter? You can do a bad thing without meaning to.",
">\n\nI meant to say isn't that the purpose lol mb",
">\n\nOh lol I probably should have realized that. But I think the point of the insult was to offend Andrew Tate.",
">\n\nFair. Trying to not say anything about him one way or another so I don't get downvoted to hell.",
">\n\nGreta lost that argument. She literally has like a hundred things Tate has said and done she could attack. Easy target... The one thing she chose to do is to body shame the man. It's just name calling. It's not a refutation of Tate. If anything it makes her sound stupid for her inability to come up with a refutation.",
">\n\nExactly. But people are just cheering her on and laughing along without grasping the nuance of the situation.",
">\n\nI think you are kinda missing the point. People know it offensive. The issue is that they don't care.",
">\n\nPeople used to make fun of small tits all the time. Remember the 90s? Remember the itty bitty titty committee? I don't know if that's a thing any more, but skinny women with no butts are definitely not seen as attractive. It's not fair. It's not their fault. People need to stop shaming themselves and eachother, and accept all bodies. Until then, \"small dick energy\" won't cease to be an insult. I guess the difference is people are sort of \"punching up\" since it's always been people with dicks who have the power in this world. I've never heard a dude say that another dude has \"small dick energy.\" It's always a woman saying that. Either way I think it's dumb but I get it. I've always thought \"Karen\" was a dumb insult too. Not someone's fault they were named Karen, LOL.",
">\n\nAndrew insulted her. He was asking for this insult. She was totally in the right. She wasn’t trying to shame anyone else. You’re asking for this insult too.",
">\n\nIsn't it more offensive for small pp folk, that there is a guy who base his entire existence on top of an argument that being an alpha, prime male is the most important thing in the world, and you need to be a testosterone bomb gorilla to have any kind of value. Isn't that argument disregards small dick guys in the first place?",
">\n\nAnd Greta just reinforced it with her reply. Do you see the problem now?\nEdit:replaced \"comment\" with \"reply\"",
">\n\nI believe I've already made a statement about what the problem is.",
">\n\nThen do you understand why Greta's reply is offensive and playing into Andrew Tate's hands?",
">\n\nLol this is twitter. There is no playing into each other's hands. Get outside.",
">\n\nOh look. Greta is human. Someone who spent a lot of her growing up time trying to educate people.\nIf she was in a bar and some doofus made a pass, she's just asserting herself. Age and context. Good on her.",
">\n\nIt is actually been studied. Men with small penises actually do have less energy- testosterone or something.",
">\n\nBeing offended by anything is each person's individual choice. If something is offensive to you, then simply choose to not be offended by it. It's truly that simple.",
">\n\nSo there is no such thing as hate speech?",
">\n\nNo, I didn't say that. Someone can certainly say something to someone that they hate with words that they feel will harm them mentally. That is \"hate speech\". The point I was trying to make is that we all as individuals have the choice to react to whatever someone says in whatever way we choose to react. If I feel offended by something that someone is saying, it is my choice to be offended by it.",
">\n\nI pretty much agree, but now we come to who decides. Does the person doing the talking decide whether it is hate speech? Or the person being talked at?",
">\n\nThere is no decision. The person who is talking thinks that what they are saying is not hateful, or they do. The person being talked at thinks that what the other person is saying is hateful, or they don't. The point is that it only matters if you make it matter to you. For example, if I say you are the dumbest person on earth, am I committing the crime of hate speech? Are you the dumbest person on earth? Probably not. But maybe I believe that you are. Does that make it true? If so, then it's not hate speech it's the truth...to me. If you, personally, believe that you are not the dumbest person on earth, then why would you concern yourself with what my dumbass has to say? To you, I'm the dumbest person on earth. I hope I'm getting my point across here.",
">\n\nSo we agree then? No laws regarding hate speech at all. You just ignore it and move on."
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"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult.",
">\n\nIt's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh.",
">\n\nHonestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV",
">\n\nPeople can make mistakes and this was one of them.. so we can all just criticize her reply fairly and move on. No need for acute mental gymnastics to defend her as this comments section is showing lmao.",
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">\n\nI don't think anyone is arguing it's not offensive. I'm pretty sure she was trying to offend insecure men. Apparently with great success.",
">\n\nShe was trying to offend men who were insecure about their body image?\nHow is that not body shaming?",
">\n\nIt is, but we playing the avoidance and rationalization game",
">\n\nbecause women invented \"small dick energy\"\nharsh, sad. but we go jim🗿",
">\n\nOP never mentioned women tho. Post is strictly about why it's offensive. Do you disagree that it's not offensive or you think it's a trivial matter to make fun of that men's mental health doesn't matter as much?",
">\n\nThe female equivalent is\n\"Loose Pussy Energy\".\nThe typical man-hate hypocrisy commonly going around is beyond obvious. And it is an attack on All men and boys not just some.",
">\n\nNot a disagreement per se, but also worth noting that it’s transphobic. Which is to say, it insults all men by reinforcing patriarchy and punching down to two groups of men.",
">\n\nShe said small dick energy. Not that he had a small dick (though, come on). She used that phrase BECAUSE it's Tate. She's not a moron.\nHe is, as evidenced by his life to this point and his two responses to Thunberg, which were epically pathetic, is a moron and didn't seem to get it, though he doesn't get a lot.",
">\n\nThis is worse than saying he has a small dick, because how would she know, and that would just be dismissed as stupid.\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\nI can't understand the mental gymnastics some people are doing to try and say this isn't body shaming.",
">\n\n\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\n\nI mean yeah -- kind of like how pussy is an insult denoting cowardice, cunt is an insult meaning basically, terrible, etc., \nShe used that on purpose. Are you making CMV every time you see someone calling someone else a pussy?",
">\n\nPussy is kind of already known to be a shitty gendered insult so it doesn't need a CMV. In this case, Greta's gendered \"having a small penis is bad\" tweet is massively amplified, reached r/all on a shitload of subs, etc. so some discussion about whether or not that is cool is warranted",
">\n\nSmall dick energy isn’t about having a small dick tho. It’s a reflection of an attitude that men who are offensive, aggressive, nasty to people are overcompensating for their insecurities. A small dick doesn’t mean you won’t be able to find a partner or that you’re any less of a man. Being a downright trash bag of a human to others, like in this instance where an internet edgelord is cyber bullying a teenager on the internet who is fighting for the survival of our planet/humanity is an example of this trash behavior, is more of a determining factor. \nYou can also have a small dick but have big dick energy, as it’s reflective of who you are as a person. It’s an attitude. It’s who you choose to be to yourself and others. Hell, there’s women who use the term that they have big dick energy and I can tell you those women’s dicks are none existent so therefore size isn’t a thing. \nNo one should be made fun of for something they had no control over. The worth of a man is not tied to the size of his penis. Although, toxic masculinity and shallow people will tell you different. They say the same for disabled people, fat people etc. There’s plenty of people who are not “conventional standards of beauty” which is the majority of us, that lead happy, healthy relationships. Those relationships start with yourself and understanding your worth as a person isn’t tied to what you look like or how big your junk is. \nThe point is if you choose to be a trash person like Tate, where your self worth is tied into how cruel/offensive you can be to other people, don’t be mad if people call you out for that trashy attitude. Your post definitely reeks of “men are the true victims” when clearly you didn’t seem to have a problem with a grown man cyber bullying a teenager.",
">\n\nI like how you imply that OP is a fan of a literal human trafficker because they point out that a body-shaming insult is body-shaming. Do you understand why associating a trait of someone's body with negative personality traits is bad?",
">\n\nNo because people like this always have exceptions that allow them to use the things they complain about. Cognitive gymnastics allows them to recognise shaming women and people of colour is bad, because society will eat them otherwise, but when someone shows up who deserves a bit of a roasting all of their social etiquette rules go out the window and the excuses come out as to why in this context it doesn't count.\n\"Ahh no, here it is a reflection of an attitude\" blah blah 3 paragraphs later and we've clouded over the simple fact that body shaming is body shaming and harms people you weren't intending to insult.",
">\n\nPeople like this? You’re assuming things about me because I am a character in your mind not a real person. I am not a monolith. We should not be body shaming people. I am explaining the other side of this issue and why people use these terms. You never asked if I use these same terms in my life. You assumed I do. I don’t. You didn’t even bother to read my response because if you did you would have realized this.",
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">\n\nYou can have smol pp but big pp energy and vice versa",
">\n\nSo why is the phrase small dick energy if it has nothing to do with having a small dick?",
">\n\nIdk man, I just work here.",
">\n\nYou know why. Lol cause small dick is associated with bad. And by insulting dicks you use this knowledge to offend, at the cost of body shaming people. \nStop feigning dumb just to avoid the reasoning lol",
">\n\nI can see how it would be offensive, and I wouldn’t use it myself. I feel like the phrase refers more to how someone acts as opposed to how they are endowed. And how it’s behavior and actions that make people think down of you not your penis.",
">\n\nPoint is that we, as a society, should encourage better insults that attack the comments of the person without necessarily having to equate it to something someone with a small dick.",
">\n\nWould you agree with me, that if Andrew clapped back with one of those that the internet would be up in arms about it?",
">\n\nYou mean the way that you are, here, on the internet, up in arms?",
">\n\nIm one person on reddit, theres no major backlash like there would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\nSee, what's happening here is that you are also looking at people who are \"one person on Reddit\" and pretending it's a major backlash. Andrew Tate says fucked up things about women all the time (in fact, it's kind of his whole schtick) and it's as much of a non-event as this is.",
">\n\nPlease link me to something fucked up hes said about women, and ill agree with you, two wrongs don't make a right.",
">\n\nHere's exhibit A.",
">\n\nSure I agree with you he has said fucked up stuff about women, it doesn't mean its okay to make a joke about small dick energy.\nDo you understand my point?",
">\n\nWe understand, it's just that your point is fucking stupid",
">\n\nYou have no idea what his point is, it's funny that people on this thread OP and others actually like Andrew Tate.\nIt proves that everyone is completely frothingly tribalistic with zero nuance.",
">\n\nIf someone is behaving insufferably, people are going to laugh at them for things that they wouldn’t find funny if it happened to someone they liked.\nFor example, is it funny when people go bankrupt? No. Would it be funny if someone like Andrew Tate went bankrupt after boasting about Bugattis and all of his mass wealth? Yes. This doesn’t mean people who would make fun of him for that are making fun of poverty or all people who lose their livelihoods, it would just be funny if it happened to that particular person. \nIn the same way, the idea that Tate does all the douchey, over the top macho things that he does in order to compensate for having a small penis is funny, whilst it not being funny to make fun of every person who has a small penis.",
">\n\nSubstitute fat. Is that ok?",
">\n\nDepends on what the fat person is doing. If the person is minding their own business then no, if the fat person is attacking other people’s appearances then yeah go for it.",
">\n\nInteresting take. Might want to play with that a bit. A lot of situations where your reasoning falls apart.",
">\n\nPeople insulted Trump for being fat when he tried to say he was like the most fit person ever. People make fun of Elon Musk's body. You can make the same type of insult to two different people and it come off two different ways. \nWhen you make your identity or argument around something it opens up certain insults and comebacks. \nTate's whole thing is trying to act like this \"alpha male\" when in reality he's a sex trafficking weirdo who pays women to hang out with him. It's totally fine to insult him with a childish insult. \nI also find that people worried or mad about this don't actually care about body image issues. They just want a gotcha moment for people. Because many would have shitty takes about fat people or whine about pc culture.",
">\n\nWhen you call some MF that doesn't necessarily mean you are a MF... I'm not saying it's okay to say abusing words but we still do use them.\nI don't think she said it in literal terms, it was completely literary. Also she only said it cause it was Tate who she said it to. Also if a woman has small tits and someone said to someone else that they have small tits energy, I don't think one who actually has small tits would mind it, cause she is not involved and it's kinda perfect way of irritating Tate.. cause he really cares about these things. \nWhen it comes to increasing the insecurity of someone who actually has small D and is insecure about it... She couldn't think so far cause all she wanted was to irritate Tate and she was successful",
">\n\nI don't think it even irritated him if that was her goal but definitely helped him with popularity. It just proves what he says people think of insecure men, it just moves them to him and he gains more influence. It was an ignorant reply in poor taste. Someone with much following and influence as Greta shouldn't be as irresponsible and the followers shouldn't be having to do mental gymnastics to defend her instead of seeing it as it is: body shaming against men.",
">\n\nIs this some kind of weird meta-game? Are Andrew Tate fans pretending to actually be offended by this stupid insult to prove a point? Does anybody actually think her retort was any sharper than a brick wrapped in a wet blanket?\nWhat is going on here?!",
">\n\n\nWhat is going on here?!\n\nAndrew Tate fans have a lot of small dick energy. That's whats going on.",
">\n\nWhy are people not allowed dislike tate (he's an absolute idiot and a grifter) and also to criticize obvious body shaming from a supposed progressive? If Biden started talking about \"N*gger energy\" criticizing Kanye for antisemitism, would that be ok in your eyes? Would you say that a black guy who doesn't like that must be an angry Kanye fan? Or is it disgustingly offensive towards all African Americans to use that type of language no matter what?",
">\n\nBecause it suits their narrative to frame it as if people are just defending tate. It's easier than just actually defending body shaming. Done deal.",
">\n\nI think Greta used that phrase not because she actually believes or wants to promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior, but because people like Andrew Tate believe and promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior. If Andrew Tate gets hurt because Greta says he has small dick energy, then maybe -- just maybe, with the tiniest bit of introspection -- he'll come to realize how hateful some of his language is.\nBullies like Andrew Tate don't really respond to logic or pleas for sympathy. The only way to maybe make them understand the hurt they cause is to inflict it on them, because they don't care about anyone but themselves. \nSo instead of putting the cart before the horse and blaming Greta for using an offensive phrase as an argumentative tactic, maybe blame the people who use the phrase to actually demean people.",
">\n\nCan we substitute fat instead and be justified?",
">\n\nYes people did that with Trump when he claimed to be the fittest person ever basically. If someone has a habit of insulting people a certain way or making certain claims then they open themselves up to specific insults. \nSometimes we'd find those insults not tasteful if said to other people. But I feel like most people equating this to fat insults don't actually care about fat people. A lot of people would also be like oh things are getting too pc or soft or woke when it comes to body positivity towards fat people. So for me it's hard to buy this line of reasoning as being truly valid or caring.",
">\n\nNo one said it has to be authentic caring. This sub is for exploring the intellectual arguments. Your perception of how authentic someone’s feelings towards fat people is basically irrelevant. Argue the point or don’t. Passing your authenticity test is a wierd standard to try to argue for.",
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">\n\nYes, making insults is offensive. That's the point.\nInsults that reference a body part are also offensive to people who are insecure about that body part. That's also kinda obvious.\nWhat do you want your mind changed about here? I'm unclear about what you think can be discussed about an insult meant to be insulting. Are you arguing that this insult is especially wrong in some way?\nHow is this not just you soapboxing?",
">\n\nThere's a reason as a society we don't use insults like \"retard\". This is in the same vein. You're attributing a negative thing with a man having a small penis. This is harmful as it perpetuates the stigma surrounding penis size which is outside ones control. Essentially it degrades a group of people who have nothing to do with it. OP wants to know whether or not this is reconciled. Reading the comments... It has not been. \nMaking gendered insults doesn't bother me truthfully but I can understand the frustration OP is expressing because were it to be a man making some edgy reference to a woman's lady parts being inadequate as a way to demean them then everyone would be outraged as opposed to cheering it on.",
">\n\nUsing “small dick” as an insult, or “loose pussy” isn’t really offensive unless you are insecure about the physical viability of your reproductive organs. \nBut, that doesn’t make it funny. It’s a really juvenile and uncreative way of ridiculing someone.",
">\n\nInsecure women are offended when they're fat shamed.\nIt's still body shaming.\nIt's still wrong.",
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">\n\nGuy randomly decides to flex on her by saying I HAVE CARS AND I LIKE TO GO VROOOOM. It's like when Piers decides that it's absolutely important to eat meat in front of vegans. It's not about penis size. It's just that smalldickenergy is a perfect explanation of why would someone decide to behave like this.",
">\n\nShe is 19. Maybe in a few years she will have more mature insults. It’s a lot of pressure to be put on someone so young to also say the perfect thing all the time",
">\n\nUnder nearly all circumstances, I agree with you.\nHowever, for a lot of people who have built a cult of personality around any given ideal, insults of the inoffensive type are completely commonplace. All they have to do is fend off one or two instances of this PG rated attacks, strawman them, call them snowflakes, and their following is bolstered and enhanced. Instead of having any negative effect, it becomes part of their inherent power.\nSometimes if you want to rattle a cult leader you have to hit with precision their most critical weakness and watch them implode. The fact that Tate is squirming so hard and doing everything he can to reclaim some of his dignity after Greta's clapback means that she has his number. Great isn't saying that having a small dick is bad, but knowing that Tate's entire personality is built about being an alpha male and that calling into question the size of his member will hurt him the most is what she was after. \nOf course, it wasn't classy and could be offensive to some. But as the saying goes, sometimes you have to fight fire with fire.",
">\n\nReally is he squirming? \nHe's rich he's popular and now he's gotten someone he disagrees with to repeat his ideology and platform spreading it to a wider audience. \nI'd argue he's happy for the attention and popularity that she's given to him now and enjoying the increased sales in his business as more men who feel marginalized and left out join him seeing this hypocrisy playing out. Not to mention all the political players( internationally) who were against climate action seeing all this and aligning themselves appropriately, possibly propping him up and making him something more than what he actually is- An ignorant troll. \nEngage with a troll and you only give them more power. The tweet was dumb and people should know better.\nEdit: spacing",
">\n\nI'm not commenting on whether or not his fans will like him more or if the controversy will inadvertently grant him a wider audience. \nI'm commenting that Greta knew exactly where and how to hit him the hardest. Yes, he is definitely squirming. He has scrambled out half a dozen prepubescent \"I know you are but what am I\" tweets. Then he went and made the absolute cringiest response video. He's incensed by being talked down to by Greta and is overcompensating. \nDid her tweet have any net positive effect on society? No. Did it ruffle Tate's feathers and make his blood boil? Yea. Would he have even cared if she called him a misogynistic prick? Absolutely not. He would have just told her to sit down and shut up, that misogyny is made up by inferior women blah blah blah...\nInstead, his insecurities are eating him alive.",
">\n\nWhy even respond and give him attention that he so desperately craves? And why body shame men in the process? \nIf she didn't have a better insult she could have just went on with her life instead of helping him grow. Using \"small dick energy\" as an insult means implicitly we agree that people with small penises are inferior and undesirable. That's basically what Tate is on about ( Toxic masculinity). And by laughing at her tweet we all reinforce that perception. Do you get that? \nSick of double standards and hypocrisy. At least people should have the courage to own up and acknowledge it then move on instead of doubling down and performing mental gymnastics to justify an obvious case of body shaming.\nI agree with you on one thing that the net effect on society because of this tweet exchange is negative and only serves the people who Greta and her followers hate.",
">\n\nI think you are missing what I am saying. I fully agree that it wasn't necessary nor was it the right thing for Greta to do. I also agree that it just gives him attention and was overall a useless venture other for the entertainment of Tate haters.\nOP asked why it is okay. I stated that it isn't okay but that I understand why Greta took that road rather than the suggested non-offensive approach. It is because he's immune to it. What he isn't immune to is his masculinity and ego being questioned. What is the point of the Wolf continuing to blow on the brick house? None. To get to the scared little piggies inside he needs a jackhammer. \nAnd it worked exactly how she planned it to. He was rattled and anyone who hates Tate is amused. \nNot saying it's the right thing to do, nor do I want anyone to feel ashamed of the size of their penis.",
">\n\nOk.. thanks for elaborating on that. I misunderstood your comment as a disagreement and engaged to try and change your mind but seems we share the same view.",
">\n\nYou do not know what Greta is \"fully aware\" of. She is referring to character and behaviour, why are you taking this personally? She isn't speaking to you, hasn't seen you, doesn't know you. I don't know why you are externalizing your issue like this and waving it around in public, is it our responsibility to fix this for you?\nShe was just making a tiny joke. Relax. smalldickenergy @ getalife .com is hilarious.",
">\n\nAside from everything else, it's men who started the 'big dick energy' idiocy so to then complain when someone uses their own stupidity against them...",
">\n\nYeah because men are a monolith and we all meet in a room and know each other smh.",
">\n\nThey’re saying it’s offensive to more than just Andrew Tate",
">\n\nYeah but again, ISN'T THE PURPOSE",
">\n\nWhat do you mean again? You didn’t say that before. And why does the purpose matter? You can do a bad thing without meaning to.",
">\n\nI meant to say isn't that the purpose lol mb",
">\n\nOh lol I probably should have realized that. But I think the point of the insult was to offend Andrew Tate.",
">\n\nFair. Trying to not say anything about him one way or another so I don't get downvoted to hell.",
">\n\nGreta lost that argument. She literally has like a hundred things Tate has said and done she could attack. Easy target... The one thing she chose to do is to body shame the man. It's just name calling. It's not a refutation of Tate. If anything it makes her sound stupid for her inability to come up with a refutation.",
">\n\nExactly. But people are just cheering her on and laughing along without grasping the nuance of the situation.",
">\n\nI think you are kinda missing the point. People know it offensive. The issue is that they don't care.",
">\n\nPeople used to make fun of small tits all the time. Remember the 90s? Remember the itty bitty titty committee? I don't know if that's a thing any more, but skinny women with no butts are definitely not seen as attractive. It's not fair. It's not their fault. People need to stop shaming themselves and eachother, and accept all bodies. Until then, \"small dick energy\" won't cease to be an insult. I guess the difference is people are sort of \"punching up\" since it's always been people with dicks who have the power in this world. I've never heard a dude say that another dude has \"small dick energy.\" It's always a woman saying that. Either way I think it's dumb but I get it. I've always thought \"Karen\" was a dumb insult too. Not someone's fault they were named Karen, LOL.",
">\n\nAndrew insulted her. He was asking for this insult. She was totally in the right. She wasn’t trying to shame anyone else. You’re asking for this insult too.",
">\n\nIsn't it more offensive for small pp folk, that there is a guy who base his entire existence on top of an argument that being an alpha, prime male is the most important thing in the world, and you need to be a testosterone bomb gorilla to have any kind of value. Isn't that argument disregards small dick guys in the first place?",
">\n\nAnd Greta just reinforced it with her reply. Do you see the problem now?\nEdit:replaced \"comment\" with \"reply\"",
">\n\nI believe I've already made a statement about what the problem is.",
">\n\nThen do you understand why Greta's reply is offensive and playing into Andrew Tate's hands?",
">\n\nLol this is twitter. There is no playing into each other's hands. Get outside.",
">\n\nOh look. Greta is human. Someone who spent a lot of her growing up time trying to educate people.\nIf she was in a bar and some doofus made a pass, she's just asserting herself. Age and context. Good on her.",
">\n\nIt is actually been studied. Men with small penises actually do have less energy- testosterone or something.",
">\n\nBeing offended by anything is each person's individual choice. If something is offensive to you, then simply choose to not be offended by it. It's truly that simple.",
">\n\nSo there is no such thing as hate speech?",
">\n\nNo, I didn't say that. Someone can certainly say something to someone that they hate with words that they feel will harm them mentally. That is \"hate speech\". The point I was trying to make is that we all as individuals have the choice to react to whatever someone says in whatever way we choose to react. If I feel offended by something that someone is saying, it is my choice to be offended by it.",
">\n\nI pretty much agree, but now we come to who decides. Does the person doing the talking decide whether it is hate speech? Or the person being talked at?",
">\n\nThere is no decision. The person who is talking thinks that what they are saying is not hateful, or they do. The person being talked at thinks that what the other person is saying is hateful, or they don't. The point is that it only matters if you make it matter to you. For example, if I say you are the dumbest person on earth, am I committing the crime of hate speech? Are you the dumbest person on earth? Probably not. But maybe I believe that you are. Does that make it true? If so, then it's not hate speech it's the truth...to me. If you, personally, believe that you are not the dumbest person on earth, then why would you concern yourself with what my dumbass has to say? To you, I'm the dumbest person on earth. I hope I'm getting my point across here.",
">\n\nSo we agree then? No laws regarding hate speech at all. You just ignore it and move on.",
">\n\nYes, sir."
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What if I say that I am offended that you are offended that you say "small dick energy" is offensive to men that are insecure about their size? Say I'm a man with a huge, massive dong. Say it's been a huge issue for me all my life. Let's say, hypothetically, that I am hugely insecure about the massive size of my dong and it's given me problems all my life. Every time I, hypothetically, go for a jog it's constantly flopping all over the place chaffing up my leg. Every time I have sex it's always this huge issue and only like half of the thing can go in before the receiver is like "oh my god, stop, that's too much!" Every time I receive oral sex, anything more than an inch beyond the tip causes a gag reflex. Does that sound exciting to you? Here you are bragging about your completely normal sized penis and all your normal sized penis sex and here this hypothetical person with a huge massive dong has all these issues. I can see how a hypothetical person with this debilitating issue would take offense that you take offense.
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"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult.",
">\n\nIt's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh.",
">\n\nHonestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV",
">\n\nPeople can make mistakes and this was one of them.. so we can all just criticize her reply fairly and move on. No need for acute mental gymnastics to defend her as this comments section is showing lmao.",
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">\n\nI don't think anyone is arguing it's not offensive. I'm pretty sure she was trying to offend insecure men. Apparently with great success.",
">\n\nShe was trying to offend men who were insecure about their body image?\nHow is that not body shaming?",
">\n\nIt is, but we playing the avoidance and rationalization game",
">\n\nbecause women invented \"small dick energy\"\nharsh, sad. but we go jim🗿",
">\n\nOP never mentioned women tho. Post is strictly about why it's offensive. Do you disagree that it's not offensive or you think it's a trivial matter to make fun of that men's mental health doesn't matter as much?",
">\n\nThe female equivalent is\n\"Loose Pussy Energy\".\nThe typical man-hate hypocrisy commonly going around is beyond obvious. And it is an attack on All men and boys not just some.",
">\n\nNot a disagreement per se, but also worth noting that it’s transphobic. Which is to say, it insults all men by reinforcing patriarchy and punching down to two groups of men.",
">\n\nShe said small dick energy. Not that he had a small dick (though, come on). She used that phrase BECAUSE it's Tate. She's not a moron.\nHe is, as evidenced by his life to this point and his two responses to Thunberg, which were epically pathetic, is a moron and didn't seem to get it, though he doesn't get a lot.",
">\n\nThis is worse than saying he has a small dick, because how would she know, and that would just be dismissed as stupid.\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\nI can't understand the mental gymnastics some people are doing to try and say this isn't body shaming.",
">\n\n\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\n\nI mean yeah -- kind of like how pussy is an insult denoting cowardice, cunt is an insult meaning basically, terrible, etc., \nShe used that on purpose. Are you making CMV every time you see someone calling someone else a pussy?",
">\n\nPussy is kind of already known to be a shitty gendered insult so it doesn't need a CMV. In this case, Greta's gendered \"having a small penis is bad\" tweet is massively amplified, reached r/all on a shitload of subs, etc. so some discussion about whether or not that is cool is warranted",
">\n\nSmall dick energy isn’t about having a small dick tho. It’s a reflection of an attitude that men who are offensive, aggressive, nasty to people are overcompensating for their insecurities. A small dick doesn’t mean you won’t be able to find a partner or that you’re any less of a man. Being a downright trash bag of a human to others, like in this instance where an internet edgelord is cyber bullying a teenager on the internet who is fighting for the survival of our planet/humanity is an example of this trash behavior, is more of a determining factor. \nYou can also have a small dick but have big dick energy, as it’s reflective of who you are as a person. It’s an attitude. It’s who you choose to be to yourself and others. Hell, there’s women who use the term that they have big dick energy and I can tell you those women’s dicks are none existent so therefore size isn’t a thing. \nNo one should be made fun of for something they had no control over. The worth of a man is not tied to the size of his penis. Although, toxic masculinity and shallow people will tell you different. They say the same for disabled people, fat people etc. There’s plenty of people who are not “conventional standards of beauty” which is the majority of us, that lead happy, healthy relationships. Those relationships start with yourself and understanding your worth as a person isn’t tied to what you look like or how big your junk is. \nThe point is if you choose to be a trash person like Tate, where your self worth is tied into how cruel/offensive you can be to other people, don’t be mad if people call you out for that trashy attitude. Your post definitely reeks of “men are the true victims” when clearly you didn’t seem to have a problem with a grown man cyber bullying a teenager.",
">\n\nI like how you imply that OP is a fan of a literal human trafficker because they point out that a body-shaming insult is body-shaming. Do you understand why associating a trait of someone's body with negative personality traits is bad?",
">\n\nNo because people like this always have exceptions that allow them to use the things they complain about. Cognitive gymnastics allows them to recognise shaming women and people of colour is bad, because society will eat them otherwise, but when someone shows up who deserves a bit of a roasting all of their social etiquette rules go out the window and the excuses come out as to why in this context it doesn't count.\n\"Ahh no, here it is a reflection of an attitude\" blah blah 3 paragraphs later and we've clouded over the simple fact that body shaming is body shaming and harms people you weren't intending to insult.",
">\n\nPeople like this? You’re assuming things about me because I am a character in your mind not a real person. I am not a monolith. We should not be body shaming people. I am explaining the other side of this issue and why people use these terms. You never asked if I use these same terms in my life. You assumed I do. I don’t. You didn’t even bother to read my response because if you did you would have realized this.",
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">\n\nYou can have smol pp but big pp energy and vice versa",
">\n\nSo why is the phrase small dick energy if it has nothing to do with having a small dick?",
">\n\nIdk man, I just work here.",
">\n\nYou know why. Lol cause small dick is associated with bad. And by insulting dicks you use this knowledge to offend, at the cost of body shaming people. \nStop feigning dumb just to avoid the reasoning lol",
">\n\nI can see how it would be offensive, and I wouldn’t use it myself. I feel like the phrase refers more to how someone acts as opposed to how they are endowed. And how it’s behavior and actions that make people think down of you not your penis.",
">\n\nPoint is that we, as a society, should encourage better insults that attack the comments of the person without necessarily having to equate it to something someone with a small dick.",
">\n\nWould you agree with me, that if Andrew clapped back with one of those that the internet would be up in arms about it?",
">\n\nYou mean the way that you are, here, on the internet, up in arms?",
">\n\nIm one person on reddit, theres no major backlash like there would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\nSee, what's happening here is that you are also looking at people who are \"one person on Reddit\" and pretending it's a major backlash. Andrew Tate says fucked up things about women all the time (in fact, it's kind of his whole schtick) and it's as much of a non-event as this is.",
">\n\nPlease link me to something fucked up hes said about women, and ill agree with you, two wrongs don't make a right.",
">\n\nHere's exhibit A.",
">\n\nSure I agree with you he has said fucked up stuff about women, it doesn't mean its okay to make a joke about small dick energy.\nDo you understand my point?",
">\n\nWe understand, it's just that your point is fucking stupid",
">\n\nYou have no idea what his point is, it's funny that people on this thread OP and others actually like Andrew Tate.\nIt proves that everyone is completely frothingly tribalistic with zero nuance.",
">\n\nIf someone is behaving insufferably, people are going to laugh at them for things that they wouldn’t find funny if it happened to someone they liked.\nFor example, is it funny when people go bankrupt? No. Would it be funny if someone like Andrew Tate went bankrupt after boasting about Bugattis and all of his mass wealth? Yes. This doesn’t mean people who would make fun of him for that are making fun of poverty or all people who lose their livelihoods, it would just be funny if it happened to that particular person. \nIn the same way, the idea that Tate does all the douchey, over the top macho things that he does in order to compensate for having a small penis is funny, whilst it not being funny to make fun of every person who has a small penis.",
">\n\nSubstitute fat. Is that ok?",
">\n\nDepends on what the fat person is doing. If the person is minding their own business then no, if the fat person is attacking other people’s appearances then yeah go for it.",
">\n\nInteresting take. Might want to play with that a bit. A lot of situations where your reasoning falls apart.",
">\n\nPeople insulted Trump for being fat when he tried to say he was like the most fit person ever. People make fun of Elon Musk's body. You can make the same type of insult to two different people and it come off two different ways. \nWhen you make your identity or argument around something it opens up certain insults and comebacks. \nTate's whole thing is trying to act like this \"alpha male\" when in reality he's a sex trafficking weirdo who pays women to hang out with him. It's totally fine to insult him with a childish insult. \nI also find that people worried or mad about this don't actually care about body image issues. They just want a gotcha moment for people. Because many would have shitty takes about fat people or whine about pc culture.",
">\n\nWhen you call some MF that doesn't necessarily mean you are a MF... I'm not saying it's okay to say abusing words but we still do use them.\nI don't think she said it in literal terms, it was completely literary. Also she only said it cause it was Tate who she said it to. Also if a woman has small tits and someone said to someone else that they have small tits energy, I don't think one who actually has small tits would mind it, cause she is not involved and it's kinda perfect way of irritating Tate.. cause he really cares about these things. \nWhen it comes to increasing the insecurity of someone who actually has small D and is insecure about it... She couldn't think so far cause all she wanted was to irritate Tate and she was successful",
">\n\nI don't think it even irritated him if that was her goal but definitely helped him with popularity. It just proves what he says people think of insecure men, it just moves them to him and he gains more influence. It was an ignorant reply in poor taste. Someone with much following and influence as Greta shouldn't be as irresponsible and the followers shouldn't be having to do mental gymnastics to defend her instead of seeing it as it is: body shaming against men.",
">\n\nIs this some kind of weird meta-game? Are Andrew Tate fans pretending to actually be offended by this stupid insult to prove a point? Does anybody actually think her retort was any sharper than a brick wrapped in a wet blanket?\nWhat is going on here?!",
">\n\n\nWhat is going on here?!\n\nAndrew Tate fans have a lot of small dick energy. That's whats going on.",
">\n\nWhy are people not allowed dislike tate (he's an absolute idiot and a grifter) and also to criticize obvious body shaming from a supposed progressive? If Biden started talking about \"N*gger energy\" criticizing Kanye for antisemitism, would that be ok in your eyes? Would you say that a black guy who doesn't like that must be an angry Kanye fan? Or is it disgustingly offensive towards all African Americans to use that type of language no matter what?",
">\n\nBecause it suits their narrative to frame it as if people are just defending tate. It's easier than just actually defending body shaming. Done deal.",
">\n\nI think Greta used that phrase not because she actually believes or wants to promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior, but because people like Andrew Tate believe and promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior. If Andrew Tate gets hurt because Greta says he has small dick energy, then maybe -- just maybe, with the tiniest bit of introspection -- he'll come to realize how hateful some of his language is.\nBullies like Andrew Tate don't really respond to logic or pleas for sympathy. The only way to maybe make them understand the hurt they cause is to inflict it on them, because they don't care about anyone but themselves. \nSo instead of putting the cart before the horse and blaming Greta for using an offensive phrase as an argumentative tactic, maybe blame the people who use the phrase to actually demean people.",
">\n\nCan we substitute fat instead and be justified?",
">\n\nYes people did that with Trump when he claimed to be the fittest person ever basically. If someone has a habit of insulting people a certain way or making certain claims then they open themselves up to specific insults. \nSometimes we'd find those insults not tasteful if said to other people. But I feel like most people equating this to fat insults don't actually care about fat people. A lot of people would also be like oh things are getting too pc or soft or woke when it comes to body positivity towards fat people. So for me it's hard to buy this line of reasoning as being truly valid or caring.",
">\n\nNo one said it has to be authentic caring. This sub is for exploring the intellectual arguments. Your perception of how authentic someone’s feelings towards fat people is basically irrelevant. Argue the point or don’t. Passing your authenticity test is a wierd standard to try to argue for.",
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">\n\nYes, making insults is offensive. That's the point.\nInsults that reference a body part are also offensive to people who are insecure about that body part. That's also kinda obvious.\nWhat do you want your mind changed about here? I'm unclear about what you think can be discussed about an insult meant to be insulting. Are you arguing that this insult is especially wrong in some way?\nHow is this not just you soapboxing?",
">\n\nThere's a reason as a society we don't use insults like \"retard\". This is in the same vein. You're attributing a negative thing with a man having a small penis. This is harmful as it perpetuates the stigma surrounding penis size which is outside ones control. Essentially it degrades a group of people who have nothing to do with it. OP wants to know whether or not this is reconciled. Reading the comments... It has not been. \nMaking gendered insults doesn't bother me truthfully but I can understand the frustration OP is expressing because were it to be a man making some edgy reference to a woman's lady parts being inadequate as a way to demean them then everyone would be outraged as opposed to cheering it on.",
">\n\nUsing “small dick” as an insult, or “loose pussy” isn’t really offensive unless you are insecure about the physical viability of your reproductive organs. \nBut, that doesn’t make it funny. It’s a really juvenile and uncreative way of ridiculing someone.",
">\n\nInsecure women are offended when they're fat shamed.\nIt's still body shaming.\nIt's still wrong.",
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">\n\nGuy randomly decides to flex on her by saying I HAVE CARS AND I LIKE TO GO VROOOOM. It's like when Piers decides that it's absolutely important to eat meat in front of vegans. It's not about penis size. It's just that smalldickenergy is a perfect explanation of why would someone decide to behave like this.",
">\n\nShe is 19. Maybe in a few years she will have more mature insults. It’s a lot of pressure to be put on someone so young to also say the perfect thing all the time",
">\n\nUnder nearly all circumstances, I agree with you.\nHowever, for a lot of people who have built a cult of personality around any given ideal, insults of the inoffensive type are completely commonplace. All they have to do is fend off one or two instances of this PG rated attacks, strawman them, call them snowflakes, and their following is bolstered and enhanced. Instead of having any negative effect, it becomes part of their inherent power.\nSometimes if you want to rattle a cult leader you have to hit with precision their most critical weakness and watch them implode. The fact that Tate is squirming so hard and doing everything he can to reclaim some of his dignity after Greta's clapback means that she has his number. Great isn't saying that having a small dick is bad, but knowing that Tate's entire personality is built about being an alpha male and that calling into question the size of his member will hurt him the most is what she was after. \nOf course, it wasn't classy and could be offensive to some. But as the saying goes, sometimes you have to fight fire with fire.",
">\n\nReally is he squirming? \nHe's rich he's popular and now he's gotten someone he disagrees with to repeat his ideology and platform spreading it to a wider audience. \nI'd argue he's happy for the attention and popularity that she's given to him now and enjoying the increased sales in his business as more men who feel marginalized and left out join him seeing this hypocrisy playing out. Not to mention all the political players( internationally) who were against climate action seeing all this and aligning themselves appropriately, possibly propping him up and making him something more than what he actually is- An ignorant troll. \nEngage with a troll and you only give them more power. The tweet was dumb and people should know better.\nEdit: spacing",
">\n\nI'm not commenting on whether or not his fans will like him more or if the controversy will inadvertently grant him a wider audience. \nI'm commenting that Greta knew exactly where and how to hit him the hardest. Yes, he is definitely squirming. He has scrambled out half a dozen prepubescent \"I know you are but what am I\" tweets. Then he went and made the absolute cringiest response video. He's incensed by being talked down to by Greta and is overcompensating. \nDid her tweet have any net positive effect on society? No. Did it ruffle Tate's feathers and make his blood boil? Yea. Would he have even cared if she called him a misogynistic prick? Absolutely not. He would have just told her to sit down and shut up, that misogyny is made up by inferior women blah blah blah...\nInstead, his insecurities are eating him alive.",
">\n\nWhy even respond and give him attention that he so desperately craves? And why body shame men in the process? \nIf she didn't have a better insult she could have just went on with her life instead of helping him grow. Using \"small dick energy\" as an insult means implicitly we agree that people with small penises are inferior and undesirable. That's basically what Tate is on about ( Toxic masculinity). And by laughing at her tweet we all reinforce that perception. Do you get that? \nSick of double standards and hypocrisy. At least people should have the courage to own up and acknowledge it then move on instead of doubling down and performing mental gymnastics to justify an obvious case of body shaming.\nI agree with you on one thing that the net effect on society because of this tweet exchange is negative and only serves the people who Greta and her followers hate.",
">\n\nI think you are missing what I am saying. I fully agree that it wasn't necessary nor was it the right thing for Greta to do. I also agree that it just gives him attention and was overall a useless venture other for the entertainment of Tate haters.\nOP asked why it is okay. I stated that it isn't okay but that I understand why Greta took that road rather than the suggested non-offensive approach. It is because he's immune to it. What he isn't immune to is his masculinity and ego being questioned. What is the point of the Wolf continuing to blow on the brick house? None. To get to the scared little piggies inside he needs a jackhammer. \nAnd it worked exactly how she planned it to. He was rattled and anyone who hates Tate is amused. \nNot saying it's the right thing to do, nor do I want anyone to feel ashamed of the size of their penis.",
">\n\nOk.. thanks for elaborating on that. I misunderstood your comment as a disagreement and engaged to try and change your mind but seems we share the same view.",
">\n\nYou do not know what Greta is \"fully aware\" of. She is referring to character and behaviour, why are you taking this personally? She isn't speaking to you, hasn't seen you, doesn't know you. I don't know why you are externalizing your issue like this and waving it around in public, is it our responsibility to fix this for you?\nShe was just making a tiny joke. Relax. smalldickenergy @ getalife .com is hilarious.",
">\n\nAside from everything else, it's men who started the 'big dick energy' idiocy so to then complain when someone uses their own stupidity against them...",
">\n\nYeah because men are a monolith and we all meet in a room and know each other smh.",
">\n\nThey’re saying it’s offensive to more than just Andrew Tate",
">\n\nYeah but again, ISN'T THE PURPOSE",
">\n\nWhat do you mean again? You didn’t say that before. And why does the purpose matter? You can do a bad thing without meaning to.",
">\n\nI meant to say isn't that the purpose lol mb",
">\n\nOh lol I probably should have realized that. But I think the point of the insult was to offend Andrew Tate.",
">\n\nFair. Trying to not say anything about him one way or another so I don't get downvoted to hell.",
">\n\nGreta lost that argument. She literally has like a hundred things Tate has said and done she could attack. Easy target... The one thing she chose to do is to body shame the man. It's just name calling. It's not a refutation of Tate. If anything it makes her sound stupid for her inability to come up with a refutation.",
">\n\nExactly. But people are just cheering her on and laughing along without grasping the nuance of the situation.",
">\n\nI think you are kinda missing the point. People know it offensive. The issue is that they don't care.",
">\n\nPeople used to make fun of small tits all the time. Remember the 90s? Remember the itty bitty titty committee? I don't know if that's a thing any more, but skinny women with no butts are definitely not seen as attractive. It's not fair. It's not their fault. People need to stop shaming themselves and eachother, and accept all bodies. Until then, \"small dick energy\" won't cease to be an insult. I guess the difference is people are sort of \"punching up\" since it's always been people with dicks who have the power in this world. I've never heard a dude say that another dude has \"small dick energy.\" It's always a woman saying that. Either way I think it's dumb but I get it. I've always thought \"Karen\" was a dumb insult too. Not someone's fault they were named Karen, LOL.",
">\n\nAndrew insulted her. He was asking for this insult. She was totally in the right. She wasn’t trying to shame anyone else. You’re asking for this insult too.",
">\n\nIsn't it more offensive for small pp folk, that there is a guy who base his entire existence on top of an argument that being an alpha, prime male is the most important thing in the world, and you need to be a testosterone bomb gorilla to have any kind of value. Isn't that argument disregards small dick guys in the first place?",
">\n\nAnd Greta just reinforced it with her reply. Do you see the problem now?\nEdit:replaced \"comment\" with \"reply\"",
">\n\nI believe I've already made a statement about what the problem is.",
">\n\nThen do you understand why Greta's reply is offensive and playing into Andrew Tate's hands?",
">\n\nLol this is twitter. There is no playing into each other's hands. Get outside.",
">\n\nOh look. Greta is human. Someone who spent a lot of her growing up time trying to educate people.\nIf she was in a bar and some doofus made a pass, she's just asserting herself. Age and context. Good on her.",
">\n\nIt is actually been studied. Men with small penises actually do have less energy- testosterone or something.",
">\n\nBeing offended by anything is each person's individual choice. If something is offensive to you, then simply choose to not be offended by it. It's truly that simple.",
">\n\nSo there is no such thing as hate speech?",
">\n\nNo, I didn't say that. Someone can certainly say something to someone that they hate with words that they feel will harm them mentally. That is \"hate speech\". The point I was trying to make is that we all as individuals have the choice to react to whatever someone says in whatever way we choose to react. If I feel offended by something that someone is saying, it is my choice to be offended by it.",
">\n\nI pretty much agree, but now we come to who decides. Does the person doing the talking decide whether it is hate speech? Or the person being talked at?",
">\n\nThere is no decision. The person who is talking thinks that what they are saying is not hateful, or they do. The person being talked at thinks that what the other person is saying is hateful, or they don't. The point is that it only matters if you make it matter to you. For example, if I say you are the dumbest person on earth, am I committing the crime of hate speech? Are you the dumbest person on earth? Probably not. But maybe I believe that you are. Does that make it true? If so, then it's not hate speech it's the truth...to me. If you, personally, believe that you are not the dumbest person on earth, then why would you concern yourself with what my dumbass has to say? To you, I'm the dumbest person on earth. I hope I'm getting my point across here.",
">\n\nSo we agree then? No laws regarding hate speech at all. You just ignore it and move on.",
">\n\nYes, sir.",
">\n\nYup"
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"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult.",
">\n\nIt's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh.",
">\n\nHonestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV",
">\n\nPeople can make mistakes and this was one of them.. so we can all just criticize her reply fairly and move on. No need for acute mental gymnastics to defend her as this comments section is showing lmao.",
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">\n\nI don't think anyone is arguing it's not offensive. I'm pretty sure she was trying to offend insecure men. Apparently with great success.",
">\n\nShe was trying to offend men who were insecure about their body image?\nHow is that not body shaming?",
">\n\nIt is, but we playing the avoidance and rationalization game",
">\n\nbecause women invented \"small dick energy\"\nharsh, sad. but we go jim🗿",
">\n\nOP never mentioned women tho. Post is strictly about why it's offensive. Do you disagree that it's not offensive or you think it's a trivial matter to make fun of that men's mental health doesn't matter as much?",
">\n\nThe female equivalent is\n\"Loose Pussy Energy\".\nThe typical man-hate hypocrisy commonly going around is beyond obvious. And it is an attack on All men and boys not just some.",
">\n\nNot a disagreement per se, but also worth noting that it’s transphobic. Which is to say, it insults all men by reinforcing patriarchy and punching down to two groups of men.",
">\n\nShe said small dick energy. Not that he had a small dick (though, come on). She used that phrase BECAUSE it's Tate. She's not a moron.\nHe is, as evidenced by his life to this point and his two responses to Thunberg, which were epically pathetic, is a moron and didn't seem to get it, though he doesn't get a lot.",
">\n\nThis is worse than saying he has a small dick, because how would she know, and that would just be dismissed as stupid.\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\nI can't understand the mental gymnastics some people are doing to try and say this isn't body shaming.",
">\n\n\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\n\nI mean yeah -- kind of like how pussy is an insult denoting cowardice, cunt is an insult meaning basically, terrible, etc., \nShe used that on purpose. Are you making CMV every time you see someone calling someone else a pussy?",
">\n\nPussy is kind of already known to be a shitty gendered insult so it doesn't need a CMV. In this case, Greta's gendered \"having a small penis is bad\" tweet is massively amplified, reached r/all on a shitload of subs, etc. so some discussion about whether or not that is cool is warranted",
">\n\nSmall dick energy isn’t about having a small dick tho. It’s a reflection of an attitude that men who are offensive, aggressive, nasty to people are overcompensating for their insecurities. A small dick doesn’t mean you won’t be able to find a partner or that you’re any less of a man. Being a downright trash bag of a human to others, like in this instance where an internet edgelord is cyber bullying a teenager on the internet who is fighting for the survival of our planet/humanity is an example of this trash behavior, is more of a determining factor. \nYou can also have a small dick but have big dick energy, as it’s reflective of who you are as a person. It’s an attitude. It’s who you choose to be to yourself and others. Hell, there’s women who use the term that they have big dick energy and I can tell you those women’s dicks are none existent so therefore size isn’t a thing. \nNo one should be made fun of for something they had no control over. The worth of a man is not tied to the size of his penis. Although, toxic masculinity and shallow people will tell you different. They say the same for disabled people, fat people etc. There’s plenty of people who are not “conventional standards of beauty” which is the majority of us, that lead happy, healthy relationships. Those relationships start with yourself and understanding your worth as a person isn’t tied to what you look like or how big your junk is. \nThe point is if you choose to be a trash person like Tate, where your self worth is tied into how cruel/offensive you can be to other people, don’t be mad if people call you out for that trashy attitude. Your post definitely reeks of “men are the true victims” when clearly you didn’t seem to have a problem with a grown man cyber bullying a teenager.",
">\n\nI like how you imply that OP is a fan of a literal human trafficker because they point out that a body-shaming insult is body-shaming. Do you understand why associating a trait of someone's body with negative personality traits is bad?",
">\n\nNo because people like this always have exceptions that allow them to use the things they complain about. Cognitive gymnastics allows them to recognise shaming women and people of colour is bad, because society will eat them otherwise, but when someone shows up who deserves a bit of a roasting all of their social etiquette rules go out the window and the excuses come out as to why in this context it doesn't count.\n\"Ahh no, here it is a reflection of an attitude\" blah blah 3 paragraphs later and we've clouded over the simple fact that body shaming is body shaming and harms people you weren't intending to insult.",
">\n\nPeople like this? You’re assuming things about me because I am a character in your mind not a real person. I am not a monolith. We should not be body shaming people. I am explaining the other side of this issue and why people use these terms. You never asked if I use these same terms in my life. You assumed I do. I don’t. You didn’t even bother to read my response because if you did you would have realized this.",
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">\n\nYou can have smol pp but big pp energy and vice versa",
">\n\nSo why is the phrase small dick energy if it has nothing to do with having a small dick?",
">\n\nIdk man, I just work here.",
">\n\nYou know why. Lol cause small dick is associated with bad. And by insulting dicks you use this knowledge to offend, at the cost of body shaming people. \nStop feigning dumb just to avoid the reasoning lol",
">\n\nI can see how it would be offensive, and I wouldn’t use it myself. I feel like the phrase refers more to how someone acts as opposed to how they are endowed. And how it’s behavior and actions that make people think down of you not your penis.",
">\n\nPoint is that we, as a society, should encourage better insults that attack the comments of the person without necessarily having to equate it to something someone with a small dick.",
">\n\nWould you agree with me, that if Andrew clapped back with one of those that the internet would be up in arms about it?",
">\n\nYou mean the way that you are, here, on the internet, up in arms?",
">\n\nIm one person on reddit, theres no major backlash like there would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\nSee, what's happening here is that you are also looking at people who are \"one person on Reddit\" and pretending it's a major backlash. Andrew Tate says fucked up things about women all the time (in fact, it's kind of his whole schtick) and it's as much of a non-event as this is.",
">\n\nPlease link me to something fucked up hes said about women, and ill agree with you, two wrongs don't make a right.",
">\n\nHere's exhibit A.",
">\n\nSure I agree with you he has said fucked up stuff about women, it doesn't mean its okay to make a joke about small dick energy.\nDo you understand my point?",
">\n\nWe understand, it's just that your point is fucking stupid",
">\n\nYou have no idea what his point is, it's funny that people on this thread OP and others actually like Andrew Tate.\nIt proves that everyone is completely frothingly tribalistic with zero nuance.",
">\n\nIf someone is behaving insufferably, people are going to laugh at them for things that they wouldn’t find funny if it happened to someone they liked.\nFor example, is it funny when people go bankrupt? No. Would it be funny if someone like Andrew Tate went bankrupt after boasting about Bugattis and all of his mass wealth? Yes. This doesn’t mean people who would make fun of him for that are making fun of poverty or all people who lose their livelihoods, it would just be funny if it happened to that particular person. \nIn the same way, the idea that Tate does all the douchey, over the top macho things that he does in order to compensate for having a small penis is funny, whilst it not being funny to make fun of every person who has a small penis.",
">\n\nSubstitute fat. Is that ok?",
">\n\nDepends on what the fat person is doing. If the person is minding their own business then no, if the fat person is attacking other people’s appearances then yeah go for it.",
">\n\nInteresting take. Might want to play with that a bit. A lot of situations where your reasoning falls apart.",
">\n\nPeople insulted Trump for being fat when he tried to say he was like the most fit person ever. People make fun of Elon Musk's body. You can make the same type of insult to two different people and it come off two different ways. \nWhen you make your identity or argument around something it opens up certain insults and comebacks. \nTate's whole thing is trying to act like this \"alpha male\" when in reality he's a sex trafficking weirdo who pays women to hang out with him. It's totally fine to insult him with a childish insult. \nI also find that people worried or mad about this don't actually care about body image issues. They just want a gotcha moment for people. Because many would have shitty takes about fat people or whine about pc culture.",
">\n\nWhen you call some MF that doesn't necessarily mean you are a MF... I'm not saying it's okay to say abusing words but we still do use them.\nI don't think she said it in literal terms, it was completely literary. Also she only said it cause it was Tate who she said it to. Also if a woman has small tits and someone said to someone else that they have small tits energy, I don't think one who actually has small tits would mind it, cause she is not involved and it's kinda perfect way of irritating Tate.. cause he really cares about these things. \nWhen it comes to increasing the insecurity of someone who actually has small D and is insecure about it... She couldn't think so far cause all she wanted was to irritate Tate and she was successful",
">\n\nI don't think it even irritated him if that was her goal but definitely helped him with popularity. It just proves what he says people think of insecure men, it just moves them to him and he gains more influence. It was an ignorant reply in poor taste. Someone with much following and influence as Greta shouldn't be as irresponsible and the followers shouldn't be having to do mental gymnastics to defend her instead of seeing it as it is: body shaming against men.",
">\n\nIs this some kind of weird meta-game? Are Andrew Tate fans pretending to actually be offended by this stupid insult to prove a point? Does anybody actually think her retort was any sharper than a brick wrapped in a wet blanket?\nWhat is going on here?!",
">\n\n\nWhat is going on here?!\n\nAndrew Tate fans have a lot of small dick energy. That's whats going on.",
">\n\nWhy are people not allowed dislike tate (he's an absolute idiot and a grifter) and also to criticize obvious body shaming from a supposed progressive? If Biden started talking about \"N*gger energy\" criticizing Kanye for antisemitism, would that be ok in your eyes? Would you say that a black guy who doesn't like that must be an angry Kanye fan? Or is it disgustingly offensive towards all African Americans to use that type of language no matter what?",
">\n\nBecause it suits their narrative to frame it as if people are just defending tate. It's easier than just actually defending body shaming. Done deal.",
">\n\nI think Greta used that phrase not because she actually believes or wants to promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior, but because people like Andrew Tate believe and promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior. If Andrew Tate gets hurt because Greta says he has small dick energy, then maybe -- just maybe, with the tiniest bit of introspection -- he'll come to realize how hateful some of his language is.\nBullies like Andrew Tate don't really respond to logic or pleas for sympathy. The only way to maybe make them understand the hurt they cause is to inflict it on them, because they don't care about anyone but themselves. \nSo instead of putting the cart before the horse and blaming Greta for using an offensive phrase as an argumentative tactic, maybe blame the people who use the phrase to actually demean people.",
">\n\nCan we substitute fat instead and be justified?",
">\n\nYes people did that with Trump when he claimed to be the fittest person ever basically. If someone has a habit of insulting people a certain way or making certain claims then they open themselves up to specific insults. \nSometimes we'd find those insults not tasteful if said to other people. But I feel like most people equating this to fat insults don't actually care about fat people. A lot of people would also be like oh things are getting too pc or soft or woke when it comes to body positivity towards fat people. So for me it's hard to buy this line of reasoning as being truly valid or caring.",
">\n\nNo one said it has to be authentic caring. This sub is for exploring the intellectual arguments. Your perception of how authentic someone’s feelings towards fat people is basically irrelevant. Argue the point or don’t. Passing your authenticity test is a wierd standard to try to argue for.",
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">\n\nYes, making insults is offensive. That's the point.\nInsults that reference a body part are also offensive to people who are insecure about that body part. That's also kinda obvious.\nWhat do you want your mind changed about here? I'm unclear about what you think can be discussed about an insult meant to be insulting. Are you arguing that this insult is especially wrong in some way?\nHow is this not just you soapboxing?",
">\n\nThere's a reason as a society we don't use insults like \"retard\". This is in the same vein. You're attributing a negative thing with a man having a small penis. This is harmful as it perpetuates the stigma surrounding penis size which is outside ones control. Essentially it degrades a group of people who have nothing to do with it. OP wants to know whether or not this is reconciled. Reading the comments... It has not been. \nMaking gendered insults doesn't bother me truthfully but I can understand the frustration OP is expressing because were it to be a man making some edgy reference to a woman's lady parts being inadequate as a way to demean them then everyone would be outraged as opposed to cheering it on.",
">\n\nUsing “small dick” as an insult, or “loose pussy” isn’t really offensive unless you are insecure about the physical viability of your reproductive organs. \nBut, that doesn’t make it funny. It’s a really juvenile and uncreative way of ridiculing someone.",
">\n\nInsecure women are offended when they're fat shamed.\nIt's still body shaming.\nIt's still wrong.",
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">\n\nGuy randomly decides to flex on her by saying I HAVE CARS AND I LIKE TO GO VROOOOM. It's like when Piers decides that it's absolutely important to eat meat in front of vegans. It's not about penis size. It's just that smalldickenergy is a perfect explanation of why would someone decide to behave like this.",
">\n\nShe is 19. Maybe in a few years she will have more mature insults. It’s a lot of pressure to be put on someone so young to also say the perfect thing all the time",
">\n\nUnder nearly all circumstances, I agree with you.\nHowever, for a lot of people who have built a cult of personality around any given ideal, insults of the inoffensive type are completely commonplace. All they have to do is fend off one or two instances of this PG rated attacks, strawman them, call them snowflakes, and their following is bolstered and enhanced. Instead of having any negative effect, it becomes part of their inherent power.\nSometimes if you want to rattle a cult leader you have to hit with precision their most critical weakness and watch them implode. The fact that Tate is squirming so hard and doing everything he can to reclaim some of his dignity after Greta's clapback means that she has his number. Great isn't saying that having a small dick is bad, but knowing that Tate's entire personality is built about being an alpha male and that calling into question the size of his member will hurt him the most is what she was after. \nOf course, it wasn't classy and could be offensive to some. But as the saying goes, sometimes you have to fight fire with fire.",
">\n\nReally is he squirming? \nHe's rich he's popular and now he's gotten someone he disagrees with to repeat his ideology and platform spreading it to a wider audience. \nI'd argue he's happy for the attention and popularity that she's given to him now and enjoying the increased sales in his business as more men who feel marginalized and left out join him seeing this hypocrisy playing out. Not to mention all the political players( internationally) who were against climate action seeing all this and aligning themselves appropriately, possibly propping him up and making him something more than what he actually is- An ignorant troll. \nEngage with a troll and you only give them more power. The tweet was dumb and people should know better.\nEdit: spacing",
">\n\nI'm not commenting on whether or not his fans will like him more or if the controversy will inadvertently grant him a wider audience. \nI'm commenting that Greta knew exactly where and how to hit him the hardest. Yes, he is definitely squirming. He has scrambled out half a dozen prepubescent \"I know you are but what am I\" tweets. Then he went and made the absolute cringiest response video. He's incensed by being talked down to by Greta and is overcompensating. \nDid her tweet have any net positive effect on society? No. Did it ruffle Tate's feathers and make his blood boil? Yea. Would he have even cared if she called him a misogynistic prick? Absolutely not. He would have just told her to sit down and shut up, that misogyny is made up by inferior women blah blah blah...\nInstead, his insecurities are eating him alive.",
">\n\nWhy even respond and give him attention that he so desperately craves? And why body shame men in the process? \nIf she didn't have a better insult she could have just went on with her life instead of helping him grow. Using \"small dick energy\" as an insult means implicitly we agree that people with small penises are inferior and undesirable. That's basically what Tate is on about ( Toxic masculinity). And by laughing at her tweet we all reinforce that perception. Do you get that? \nSick of double standards and hypocrisy. At least people should have the courage to own up and acknowledge it then move on instead of doubling down and performing mental gymnastics to justify an obvious case of body shaming.\nI agree with you on one thing that the net effect on society because of this tweet exchange is negative and only serves the people who Greta and her followers hate.",
">\n\nI think you are missing what I am saying. I fully agree that it wasn't necessary nor was it the right thing for Greta to do. I also agree that it just gives him attention and was overall a useless venture other for the entertainment of Tate haters.\nOP asked why it is okay. I stated that it isn't okay but that I understand why Greta took that road rather than the suggested non-offensive approach. It is because he's immune to it. What he isn't immune to is his masculinity and ego being questioned. What is the point of the Wolf continuing to blow on the brick house? None. To get to the scared little piggies inside he needs a jackhammer. \nAnd it worked exactly how she planned it to. He was rattled and anyone who hates Tate is amused. \nNot saying it's the right thing to do, nor do I want anyone to feel ashamed of the size of their penis.",
">\n\nOk.. thanks for elaborating on that. I misunderstood your comment as a disagreement and engaged to try and change your mind but seems we share the same view.",
">\n\nYou do not know what Greta is \"fully aware\" of. She is referring to character and behaviour, why are you taking this personally? She isn't speaking to you, hasn't seen you, doesn't know you. I don't know why you are externalizing your issue like this and waving it around in public, is it our responsibility to fix this for you?\nShe was just making a tiny joke. Relax. smalldickenergy @ getalife .com is hilarious.",
">\n\nAside from everything else, it's men who started the 'big dick energy' idiocy so to then complain when someone uses their own stupidity against them...",
">\n\nYeah because men are a monolith and we all meet in a room and know each other smh.",
">\n\nThey’re saying it’s offensive to more than just Andrew Tate",
">\n\nYeah but again, ISN'T THE PURPOSE",
">\n\nWhat do you mean again? You didn’t say that before. And why does the purpose matter? You can do a bad thing without meaning to.",
">\n\nI meant to say isn't that the purpose lol mb",
">\n\nOh lol I probably should have realized that. But I think the point of the insult was to offend Andrew Tate.",
">\n\nFair. Trying to not say anything about him one way or another so I don't get downvoted to hell.",
">\n\nGreta lost that argument. She literally has like a hundred things Tate has said and done she could attack. Easy target... The one thing she chose to do is to body shame the man. It's just name calling. It's not a refutation of Tate. If anything it makes her sound stupid for her inability to come up with a refutation.",
">\n\nExactly. But people are just cheering her on and laughing along without grasping the nuance of the situation.",
">\n\nI think you are kinda missing the point. People know it offensive. The issue is that they don't care.",
">\n\nPeople used to make fun of small tits all the time. Remember the 90s? Remember the itty bitty titty committee? I don't know if that's a thing any more, but skinny women with no butts are definitely not seen as attractive. It's not fair. It's not their fault. People need to stop shaming themselves and eachother, and accept all bodies. Until then, \"small dick energy\" won't cease to be an insult. I guess the difference is people are sort of \"punching up\" since it's always been people with dicks who have the power in this world. I've never heard a dude say that another dude has \"small dick energy.\" It's always a woman saying that. Either way I think it's dumb but I get it. I've always thought \"Karen\" was a dumb insult too. Not someone's fault they were named Karen, LOL.",
">\n\nAndrew insulted her. He was asking for this insult. She was totally in the right. She wasn’t trying to shame anyone else. You’re asking for this insult too.",
">\n\nIsn't it more offensive for small pp folk, that there is a guy who base his entire existence on top of an argument that being an alpha, prime male is the most important thing in the world, and you need to be a testosterone bomb gorilla to have any kind of value. Isn't that argument disregards small dick guys in the first place?",
">\n\nAnd Greta just reinforced it with her reply. Do you see the problem now?\nEdit:replaced \"comment\" with \"reply\"",
">\n\nI believe I've already made a statement about what the problem is.",
">\n\nThen do you understand why Greta's reply is offensive and playing into Andrew Tate's hands?",
">\n\nLol this is twitter. There is no playing into each other's hands. Get outside.",
">\n\nOh look. Greta is human. Someone who spent a lot of her growing up time trying to educate people.\nIf she was in a bar and some doofus made a pass, she's just asserting herself. Age and context. Good on her.",
">\n\nIt is actually been studied. Men with small penises actually do have less energy- testosterone or something.",
">\n\nBeing offended by anything is each person's individual choice. If something is offensive to you, then simply choose to not be offended by it. It's truly that simple.",
">\n\nSo there is no such thing as hate speech?",
">\n\nNo, I didn't say that. Someone can certainly say something to someone that they hate with words that they feel will harm them mentally. That is \"hate speech\". The point I was trying to make is that we all as individuals have the choice to react to whatever someone says in whatever way we choose to react. If I feel offended by something that someone is saying, it is my choice to be offended by it.",
">\n\nI pretty much agree, but now we come to who decides. Does the person doing the talking decide whether it is hate speech? Or the person being talked at?",
">\n\nThere is no decision. The person who is talking thinks that what they are saying is not hateful, or they do. The person being talked at thinks that what the other person is saying is hateful, or they don't. The point is that it only matters if you make it matter to you. For example, if I say you are the dumbest person on earth, am I committing the crime of hate speech? Are you the dumbest person on earth? Probably not. But maybe I believe that you are. Does that make it true? If so, then it's not hate speech it's the truth...to me. If you, personally, believe that you are not the dumbest person on earth, then why would you concern yourself with what my dumbass has to say? To you, I'm the dumbest person on earth. I hope I'm getting my point across here.",
">\n\nSo we agree then? No laws regarding hate speech at all. You just ignore it and move on.",
">\n\nYes, sir.",
">\n\nYup",
">\n\nWhat if I say that I am offended that you are offended that you say \"small dick energy\" is offensive to men that are insecure about their size? Say I'm a man with a huge, massive dong. Say it's been a huge issue for me all my life. Let's say, hypothetically, that I am hugely insecure about the massive size of my dong and it's given me problems all my life. Every time I, hypothetically, go for a jog it's constantly flopping all over the place chaffing up my leg. Every time I have sex it's always this huge issue and only like half of the thing can go in before the receiver is like \"oh my god, stop, that's too much!\" Every time I receive oral sex, anything more than an inch beyond the tip causes a gag reflex. Does that sound exciting to you? Here you are bragging about your completely normal sized penis and all your normal sized penis sex and here this hypothetical person with a huge massive dong has all these issues. I can see how a hypothetical person with this debilitating issue would take offense that you take offense."
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"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult.",
">\n\nIt's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh.",
">\n\nHonestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV",
">\n\nPeople can make mistakes and this was one of them.. so we can all just criticize her reply fairly and move on. No need for acute mental gymnastics to defend her as this comments section is showing lmao.",
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">\n\nI don't think anyone is arguing it's not offensive. I'm pretty sure she was trying to offend insecure men. Apparently with great success.",
">\n\nShe was trying to offend men who were insecure about their body image?\nHow is that not body shaming?",
">\n\nIt is, but we playing the avoidance and rationalization game",
">\n\nbecause women invented \"small dick energy\"\nharsh, sad. but we go jim🗿",
">\n\nOP never mentioned women tho. Post is strictly about why it's offensive. Do you disagree that it's not offensive or you think it's a trivial matter to make fun of that men's mental health doesn't matter as much?",
">\n\nThe female equivalent is\n\"Loose Pussy Energy\".\nThe typical man-hate hypocrisy commonly going around is beyond obvious. And it is an attack on All men and boys not just some.",
">\n\nNot a disagreement per se, but also worth noting that it’s transphobic. Which is to say, it insults all men by reinforcing patriarchy and punching down to two groups of men.",
">\n\nShe said small dick energy. Not that he had a small dick (though, come on). She used that phrase BECAUSE it's Tate. She's not a moron.\nHe is, as evidenced by his life to this point and his two responses to Thunberg, which were epically pathetic, is a moron and didn't seem to get it, though he doesn't get a lot.",
">\n\nThis is worse than saying he has a small dick, because how would she know, and that would just be dismissed as stupid.\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\nI can't understand the mental gymnastics some people are doing to try and say this isn't body shaming.",
">\n\n\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\n\nI mean yeah -- kind of like how pussy is an insult denoting cowardice, cunt is an insult meaning basically, terrible, etc., \nShe used that on purpose. Are you making CMV every time you see someone calling someone else a pussy?",
">\n\nPussy is kind of already known to be a shitty gendered insult so it doesn't need a CMV. In this case, Greta's gendered \"having a small penis is bad\" tweet is massively amplified, reached r/all on a shitload of subs, etc. so some discussion about whether or not that is cool is warranted",
">\n\nSmall dick energy isn’t about having a small dick tho. It’s a reflection of an attitude that men who are offensive, aggressive, nasty to people are overcompensating for their insecurities. A small dick doesn’t mean you won’t be able to find a partner or that you’re any less of a man. Being a downright trash bag of a human to others, like in this instance where an internet edgelord is cyber bullying a teenager on the internet who is fighting for the survival of our planet/humanity is an example of this trash behavior, is more of a determining factor. \nYou can also have a small dick but have big dick energy, as it’s reflective of who you are as a person. It’s an attitude. It’s who you choose to be to yourself and others. Hell, there’s women who use the term that they have big dick energy and I can tell you those women’s dicks are none existent so therefore size isn’t a thing. \nNo one should be made fun of for something they had no control over. The worth of a man is not tied to the size of his penis. Although, toxic masculinity and shallow people will tell you different. They say the same for disabled people, fat people etc. There’s plenty of people who are not “conventional standards of beauty” which is the majority of us, that lead happy, healthy relationships. Those relationships start with yourself and understanding your worth as a person isn’t tied to what you look like or how big your junk is. \nThe point is if you choose to be a trash person like Tate, where your self worth is tied into how cruel/offensive you can be to other people, don’t be mad if people call you out for that trashy attitude. Your post definitely reeks of “men are the true victims” when clearly you didn’t seem to have a problem with a grown man cyber bullying a teenager.",
">\n\nI like how you imply that OP is a fan of a literal human trafficker because they point out that a body-shaming insult is body-shaming. Do you understand why associating a trait of someone's body with negative personality traits is bad?",
">\n\nNo because people like this always have exceptions that allow them to use the things they complain about. Cognitive gymnastics allows them to recognise shaming women and people of colour is bad, because society will eat them otherwise, but when someone shows up who deserves a bit of a roasting all of their social etiquette rules go out the window and the excuses come out as to why in this context it doesn't count.\n\"Ahh no, here it is a reflection of an attitude\" blah blah 3 paragraphs later and we've clouded over the simple fact that body shaming is body shaming and harms people you weren't intending to insult.",
">\n\nPeople like this? You’re assuming things about me because I am a character in your mind not a real person. I am not a monolith. We should not be body shaming people. I am explaining the other side of this issue and why people use these terms. You never asked if I use these same terms in my life. You assumed I do. I don’t. You didn’t even bother to read my response because if you did you would have realized this.",
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">\n\nYou can have smol pp but big pp energy and vice versa",
">\n\nSo why is the phrase small dick energy if it has nothing to do with having a small dick?",
">\n\nIdk man, I just work here.",
">\n\nYou know why. Lol cause small dick is associated with bad. And by insulting dicks you use this knowledge to offend, at the cost of body shaming people. \nStop feigning dumb just to avoid the reasoning lol",
">\n\nI can see how it would be offensive, and I wouldn’t use it myself. I feel like the phrase refers more to how someone acts as opposed to how they are endowed. And how it’s behavior and actions that make people think down of you not your penis.",
">\n\nPoint is that we, as a society, should encourage better insults that attack the comments of the person without necessarily having to equate it to something someone with a small dick.",
">\n\nWould you agree with me, that if Andrew clapped back with one of those that the internet would be up in arms about it?",
">\n\nYou mean the way that you are, here, on the internet, up in arms?",
">\n\nIm one person on reddit, theres no major backlash like there would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\nSee, what's happening here is that you are also looking at people who are \"one person on Reddit\" and pretending it's a major backlash. Andrew Tate says fucked up things about women all the time (in fact, it's kind of his whole schtick) and it's as much of a non-event as this is.",
">\n\nPlease link me to something fucked up hes said about women, and ill agree with you, two wrongs don't make a right.",
">\n\nHere's exhibit A.",
">\n\nSure I agree with you he has said fucked up stuff about women, it doesn't mean its okay to make a joke about small dick energy.\nDo you understand my point?",
">\n\nWe understand, it's just that your point is fucking stupid",
">\n\nYou have no idea what his point is, it's funny that people on this thread OP and others actually like Andrew Tate.\nIt proves that everyone is completely frothingly tribalistic with zero nuance.",
">\n\nIf someone is behaving insufferably, people are going to laugh at them for things that they wouldn’t find funny if it happened to someone they liked.\nFor example, is it funny when people go bankrupt? No. Would it be funny if someone like Andrew Tate went bankrupt after boasting about Bugattis and all of his mass wealth? Yes. This doesn’t mean people who would make fun of him for that are making fun of poverty or all people who lose their livelihoods, it would just be funny if it happened to that particular person. \nIn the same way, the idea that Tate does all the douchey, over the top macho things that he does in order to compensate for having a small penis is funny, whilst it not being funny to make fun of every person who has a small penis.",
">\n\nSubstitute fat. Is that ok?",
">\n\nDepends on what the fat person is doing. If the person is minding their own business then no, if the fat person is attacking other people’s appearances then yeah go for it.",
">\n\nInteresting take. Might want to play with that a bit. A lot of situations where your reasoning falls apart.",
">\n\nPeople insulted Trump for being fat when he tried to say he was like the most fit person ever. People make fun of Elon Musk's body. You can make the same type of insult to two different people and it come off two different ways. \nWhen you make your identity or argument around something it opens up certain insults and comebacks. \nTate's whole thing is trying to act like this \"alpha male\" when in reality he's a sex trafficking weirdo who pays women to hang out with him. It's totally fine to insult him with a childish insult. \nI also find that people worried or mad about this don't actually care about body image issues. They just want a gotcha moment for people. Because many would have shitty takes about fat people or whine about pc culture.",
">\n\nWhen you call some MF that doesn't necessarily mean you are a MF... I'm not saying it's okay to say abusing words but we still do use them.\nI don't think she said it in literal terms, it was completely literary. Also she only said it cause it was Tate who she said it to. Also if a woman has small tits and someone said to someone else that they have small tits energy, I don't think one who actually has small tits would mind it, cause she is not involved and it's kinda perfect way of irritating Tate.. cause he really cares about these things. \nWhen it comes to increasing the insecurity of someone who actually has small D and is insecure about it... She couldn't think so far cause all she wanted was to irritate Tate and she was successful",
">\n\nI don't think it even irritated him if that was her goal but definitely helped him with popularity. It just proves what he says people think of insecure men, it just moves them to him and he gains more influence. It was an ignorant reply in poor taste. Someone with much following and influence as Greta shouldn't be as irresponsible and the followers shouldn't be having to do mental gymnastics to defend her instead of seeing it as it is: body shaming against men.",
">\n\nIs this some kind of weird meta-game? Are Andrew Tate fans pretending to actually be offended by this stupid insult to prove a point? Does anybody actually think her retort was any sharper than a brick wrapped in a wet blanket?\nWhat is going on here?!",
">\n\n\nWhat is going on here?!\n\nAndrew Tate fans have a lot of small dick energy. That's whats going on.",
">\n\nWhy are people not allowed dislike tate (he's an absolute idiot and a grifter) and also to criticize obvious body shaming from a supposed progressive? If Biden started talking about \"N*gger energy\" criticizing Kanye for antisemitism, would that be ok in your eyes? Would you say that a black guy who doesn't like that must be an angry Kanye fan? Or is it disgustingly offensive towards all African Americans to use that type of language no matter what?",
">\n\nBecause it suits their narrative to frame it as if people are just defending tate. It's easier than just actually defending body shaming. Done deal.",
">\n\nI think Greta used that phrase not because she actually believes or wants to promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior, but because people like Andrew Tate believe and promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior. If Andrew Tate gets hurt because Greta says he has small dick energy, then maybe -- just maybe, with the tiniest bit of introspection -- he'll come to realize how hateful some of his language is.\nBullies like Andrew Tate don't really respond to logic or pleas for sympathy. The only way to maybe make them understand the hurt they cause is to inflict it on them, because they don't care about anyone but themselves. \nSo instead of putting the cart before the horse and blaming Greta for using an offensive phrase as an argumentative tactic, maybe blame the people who use the phrase to actually demean people.",
">\n\nCan we substitute fat instead and be justified?",
">\n\nYes people did that with Trump when he claimed to be the fittest person ever basically. If someone has a habit of insulting people a certain way or making certain claims then they open themselves up to specific insults. \nSometimes we'd find those insults not tasteful if said to other people. But I feel like most people equating this to fat insults don't actually care about fat people. A lot of people would also be like oh things are getting too pc or soft or woke when it comes to body positivity towards fat people. So for me it's hard to buy this line of reasoning as being truly valid or caring.",
">\n\nNo one said it has to be authentic caring. This sub is for exploring the intellectual arguments. Your perception of how authentic someone’s feelings towards fat people is basically irrelevant. Argue the point or don’t. Passing your authenticity test is a wierd standard to try to argue for.",
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">\n\nYes, making insults is offensive. That's the point.\nInsults that reference a body part are also offensive to people who are insecure about that body part. That's also kinda obvious.\nWhat do you want your mind changed about here? I'm unclear about what you think can be discussed about an insult meant to be insulting. Are you arguing that this insult is especially wrong in some way?\nHow is this not just you soapboxing?",
">\n\nThere's a reason as a society we don't use insults like \"retard\". This is in the same vein. You're attributing a negative thing with a man having a small penis. This is harmful as it perpetuates the stigma surrounding penis size which is outside ones control. Essentially it degrades a group of people who have nothing to do with it. OP wants to know whether or not this is reconciled. Reading the comments... It has not been. \nMaking gendered insults doesn't bother me truthfully but I can understand the frustration OP is expressing because were it to be a man making some edgy reference to a woman's lady parts being inadequate as a way to demean them then everyone would be outraged as opposed to cheering it on.",
">\n\nUsing “small dick” as an insult, or “loose pussy” isn’t really offensive unless you are insecure about the physical viability of your reproductive organs. \nBut, that doesn’t make it funny. It’s a really juvenile and uncreative way of ridiculing someone.",
">\n\nInsecure women are offended when they're fat shamed.\nIt's still body shaming.\nIt's still wrong.",
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">\n\nGuy randomly decides to flex on her by saying I HAVE CARS AND I LIKE TO GO VROOOOM. It's like when Piers decides that it's absolutely important to eat meat in front of vegans. It's not about penis size. It's just that smalldickenergy is a perfect explanation of why would someone decide to behave like this.",
">\n\nShe is 19. Maybe in a few years she will have more mature insults. It’s a lot of pressure to be put on someone so young to also say the perfect thing all the time",
">\n\nUnder nearly all circumstances, I agree with you.\nHowever, for a lot of people who have built a cult of personality around any given ideal, insults of the inoffensive type are completely commonplace. All they have to do is fend off one or two instances of this PG rated attacks, strawman them, call them snowflakes, and their following is bolstered and enhanced. Instead of having any negative effect, it becomes part of their inherent power.\nSometimes if you want to rattle a cult leader you have to hit with precision their most critical weakness and watch them implode. The fact that Tate is squirming so hard and doing everything he can to reclaim some of his dignity after Greta's clapback means that she has his number. Great isn't saying that having a small dick is bad, but knowing that Tate's entire personality is built about being an alpha male and that calling into question the size of his member will hurt him the most is what she was after. \nOf course, it wasn't classy and could be offensive to some. But as the saying goes, sometimes you have to fight fire with fire.",
">\n\nReally is he squirming? \nHe's rich he's popular and now he's gotten someone he disagrees with to repeat his ideology and platform spreading it to a wider audience. \nI'd argue he's happy for the attention and popularity that she's given to him now and enjoying the increased sales in his business as more men who feel marginalized and left out join him seeing this hypocrisy playing out. Not to mention all the political players( internationally) who were against climate action seeing all this and aligning themselves appropriately, possibly propping him up and making him something more than what he actually is- An ignorant troll. \nEngage with a troll and you only give them more power. The tweet was dumb and people should know better.\nEdit: spacing",
">\n\nI'm not commenting on whether or not his fans will like him more or if the controversy will inadvertently grant him a wider audience. \nI'm commenting that Greta knew exactly where and how to hit him the hardest. Yes, he is definitely squirming. He has scrambled out half a dozen prepubescent \"I know you are but what am I\" tweets. Then he went and made the absolute cringiest response video. He's incensed by being talked down to by Greta and is overcompensating. \nDid her tweet have any net positive effect on society? No. Did it ruffle Tate's feathers and make his blood boil? Yea. Would he have even cared if she called him a misogynistic prick? Absolutely not. He would have just told her to sit down and shut up, that misogyny is made up by inferior women blah blah blah...\nInstead, his insecurities are eating him alive.",
">\n\nWhy even respond and give him attention that he so desperately craves? And why body shame men in the process? \nIf she didn't have a better insult she could have just went on with her life instead of helping him grow. Using \"small dick energy\" as an insult means implicitly we agree that people with small penises are inferior and undesirable. That's basically what Tate is on about ( Toxic masculinity). And by laughing at her tweet we all reinforce that perception. Do you get that? \nSick of double standards and hypocrisy. At least people should have the courage to own up and acknowledge it then move on instead of doubling down and performing mental gymnastics to justify an obvious case of body shaming.\nI agree with you on one thing that the net effect on society because of this tweet exchange is negative and only serves the people who Greta and her followers hate.",
">\n\nI think you are missing what I am saying. I fully agree that it wasn't necessary nor was it the right thing for Greta to do. I also agree that it just gives him attention and was overall a useless venture other for the entertainment of Tate haters.\nOP asked why it is okay. I stated that it isn't okay but that I understand why Greta took that road rather than the suggested non-offensive approach. It is because he's immune to it. What he isn't immune to is his masculinity and ego being questioned. What is the point of the Wolf continuing to blow on the brick house? None. To get to the scared little piggies inside he needs a jackhammer. \nAnd it worked exactly how she planned it to. He was rattled and anyone who hates Tate is amused. \nNot saying it's the right thing to do, nor do I want anyone to feel ashamed of the size of their penis.",
">\n\nOk.. thanks for elaborating on that. I misunderstood your comment as a disagreement and engaged to try and change your mind but seems we share the same view.",
">\n\nYou do not know what Greta is \"fully aware\" of. She is referring to character and behaviour, why are you taking this personally? She isn't speaking to you, hasn't seen you, doesn't know you. I don't know why you are externalizing your issue like this and waving it around in public, is it our responsibility to fix this for you?\nShe was just making a tiny joke. Relax. smalldickenergy @ getalife .com is hilarious.",
">\n\nAside from everything else, it's men who started the 'big dick energy' idiocy so to then complain when someone uses their own stupidity against them...",
">\n\nYeah because men are a monolith and we all meet in a room and know each other smh.",
">\n\nThey’re saying it’s offensive to more than just Andrew Tate",
">\n\nYeah but again, ISN'T THE PURPOSE",
">\n\nWhat do you mean again? You didn’t say that before. And why does the purpose matter? You can do a bad thing without meaning to.",
">\n\nI meant to say isn't that the purpose lol mb",
">\n\nOh lol I probably should have realized that. But I think the point of the insult was to offend Andrew Tate.",
">\n\nFair. Trying to not say anything about him one way or another so I don't get downvoted to hell.",
">\n\nGreta lost that argument. She literally has like a hundred things Tate has said and done she could attack. Easy target... The one thing she chose to do is to body shame the man. It's just name calling. It's not a refutation of Tate. If anything it makes her sound stupid for her inability to come up with a refutation.",
">\n\nExactly. But people are just cheering her on and laughing along without grasping the nuance of the situation.",
">\n\nI think you are kinda missing the point. People know it offensive. The issue is that they don't care.",
">\n\nPeople used to make fun of small tits all the time. Remember the 90s? Remember the itty bitty titty committee? I don't know if that's a thing any more, but skinny women with no butts are definitely not seen as attractive. It's not fair. It's not their fault. People need to stop shaming themselves and eachother, and accept all bodies. Until then, \"small dick energy\" won't cease to be an insult. I guess the difference is people are sort of \"punching up\" since it's always been people with dicks who have the power in this world. I've never heard a dude say that another dude has \"small dick energy.\" It's always a woman saying that. Either way I think it's dumb but I get it. I've always thought \"Karen\" was a dumb insult too. Not someone's fault they were named Karen, LOL.",
">\n\nAndrew insulted her. He was asking for this insult. She was totally in the right. She wasn’t trying to shame anyone else. You’re asking for this insult too.",
">\n\nIsn't it more offensive for small pp folk, that there is a guy who base his entire existence on top of an argument that being an alpha, prime male is the most important thing in the world, and you need to be a testosterone bomb gorilla to have any kind of value. Isn't that argument disregards small dick guys in the first place?",
">\n\nAnd Greta just reinforced it with her reply. Do you see the problem now?\nEdit:replaced \"comment\" with \"reply\"",
">\n\nI believe I've already made a statement about what the problem is.",
">\n\nThen do you understand why Greta's reply is offensive and playing into Andrew Tate's hands?",
">\n\nLol this is twitter. There is no playing into each other's hands. Get outside.",
">\n\nOh look. Greta is human. Someone who spent a lot of her growing up time trying to educate people.\nIf she was in a bar and some doofus made a pass, she's just asserting herself. Age and context. Good on her.",
">\n\nIt is actually been studied. Men with small penises actually do have less energy- testosterone or something.",
">\n\nBeing offended by anything is each person's individual choice. If something is offensive to you, then simply choose to not be offended by it. It's truly that simple.",
">\n\nSo there is no such thing as hate speech?",
">\n\nNo, I didn't say that. Someone can certainly say something to someone that they hate with words that they feel will harm them mentally. That is \"hate speech\". The point I was trying to make is that we all as individuals have the choice to react to whatever someone says in whatever way we choose to react. If I feel offended by something that someone is saying, it is my choice to be offended by it.",
">\n\nI pretty much agree, but now we come to who decides. Does the person doing the talking decide whether it is hate speech? Or the person being talked at?",
">\n\nThere is no decision. The person who is talking thinks that what they are saying is not hateful, or they do. The person being talked at thinks that what the other person is saying is hateful, or they don't. The point is that it only matters if you make it matter to you. For example, if I say you are the dumbest person on earth, am I committing the crime of hate speech? Are you the dumbest person on earth? Probably not. But maybe I believe that you are. Does that make it true? If so, then it's not hate speech it's the truth...to me. If you, personally, believe that you are not the dumbest person on earth, then why would you concern yourself with what my dumbass has to say? To you, I'm the dumbest person on earth. I hope I'm getting my point across here.",
">\n\nSo we agree then? No laws regarding hate speech at all. You just ignore it and move on.",
">\n\nYes, sir.",
">\n\nYup",
">\n\nWhat if I say that I am offended that you are offended that you say \"small dick energy\" is offensive to men that are insecure about their size? Say I'm a man with a huge, massive dong. Say it's been a huge issue for me all my life. Let's say, hypothetically, that I am hugely insecure about the massive size of my dong and it's given me problems all my life. Every time I, hypothetically, go for a jog it's constantly flopping all over the place chaffing up my leg. Every time I have sex it's always this huge issue and only like half of the thing can go in before the receiver is like \"oh my god, stop, that's too much!\" Every time I receive oral sex, anything more than an inch beyond the tip causes a gag reflex. Does that sound exciting to you? Here you are bragging about your completely normal sized penis and all your normal sized penis sex and here this hypothetical person with a huge massive dong has all these issues. I can see how a hypothetical person with this debilitating issue would take offense that you take offense.",
">\n\nShe's an edgelord"
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"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult.",
">\n\nIt's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh.",
">\n\nHonestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV",
">\n\nPeople can make mistakes and this was one of them.. so we can all just criticize her reply fairly and move on. No need for acute mental gymnastics to defend her as this comments section is showing lmao.",
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">\n\nI don't think anyone is arguing it's not offensive. I'm pretty sure she was trying to offend insecure men. Apparently with great success.",
">\n\nShe was trying to offend men who were insecure about their body image?\nHow is that not body shaming?",
">\n\nIt is, but we playing the avoidance and rationalization game",
">\n\nbecause women invented \"small dick energy\"\nharsh, sad. but we go jim🗿",
">\n\nOP never mentioned women tho. Post is strictly about why it's offensive. Do you disagree that it's not offensive or you think it's a trivial matter to make fun of that men's mental health doesn't matter as much?",
">\n\nThe female equivalent is\n\"Loose Pussy Energy\".\nThe typical man-hate hypocrisy commonly going around is beyond obvious. And it is an attack on All men and boys not just some.",
">\n\nNot a disagreement per se, but also worth noting that it’s transphobic. Which is to say, it insults all men by reinforcing patriarchy and punching down to two groups of men.",
">\n\nShe said small dick energy. Not that he had a small dick (though, come on). She used that phrase BECAUSE it's Tate. She's not a moron.\nHe is, as evidenced by his life to this point and his two responses to Thunberg, which were epically pathetic, is a moron and didn't seem to get it, though he doesn't get a lot.",
">\n\nThis is worse than saying he has a small dick, because how would she know, and that would just be dismissed as stupid.\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\nI can't understand the mental gymnastics some people are doing to try and say this isn't body shaming.",
">\n\n\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\n\nI mean yeah -- kind of like how pussy is an insult denoting cowardice, cunt is an insult meaning basically, terrible, etc., \nShe used that on purpose. Are you making CMV every time you see someone calling someone else a pussy?",
">\n\nPussy is kind of already known to be a shitty gendered insult so it doesn't need a CMV. In this case, Greta's gendered \"having a small penis is bad\" tweet is massively amplified, reached r/all on a shitload of subs, etc. so some discussion about whether or not that is cool is warranted",
">\n\nSmall dick energy isn’t about having a small dick tho. It’s a reflection of an attitude that men who are offensive, aggressive, nasty to people are overcompensating for their insecurities. A small dick doesn’t mean you won’t be able to find a partner or that you’re any less of a man. Being a downright trash bag of a human to others, like in this instance where an internet edgelord is cyber bullying a teenager on the internet who is fighting for the survival of our planet/humanity is an example of this trash behavior, is more of a determining factor. \nYou can also have a small dick but have big dick energy, as it’s reflective of who you are as a person. It’s an attitude. It’s who you choose to be to yourself and others. Hell, there’s women who use the term that they have big dick energy and I can tell you those women’s dicks are none existent so therefore size isn’t a thing. \nNo one should be made fun of for something they had no control over. The worth of a man is not tied to the size of his penis. Although, toxic masculinity and shallow people will tell you different. They say the same for disabled people, fat people etc. There’s plenty of people who are not “conventional standards of beauty” which is the majority of us, that lead happy, healthy relationships. Those relationships start with yourself and understanding your worth as a person isn’t tied to what you look like or how big your junk is. \nThe point is if you choose to be a trash person like Tate, where your self worth is tied into how cruel/offensive you can be to other people, don’t be mad if people call you out for that trashy attitude. Your post definitely reeks of “men are the true victims” when clearly you didn’t seem to have a problem with a grown man cyber bullying a teenager.",
">\n\nI like how you imply that OP is a fan of a literal human trafficker because they point out that a body-shaming insult is body-shaming. Do you understand why associating a trait of someone's body with negative personality traits is bad?",
">\n\nNo because people like this always have exceptions that allow them to use the things they complain about. Cognitive gymnastics allows them to recognise shaming women and people of colour is bad, because society will eat them otherwise, but when someone shows up who deserves a bit of a roasting all of their social etiquette rules go out the window and the excuses come out as to why in this context it doesn't count.\n\"Ahh no, here it is a reflection of an attitude\" blah blah 3 paragraphs later and we've clouded over the simple fact that body shaming is body shaming and harms people you weren't intending to insult.",
">\n\nPeople like this? You’re assuming things about me because I am a character in your mind not a real person. I am not a monolith. We should not be body shaming people. I am explaining the other side of this issue and why people use these terms. You never asked if I use these same terms in my life. You assumed I do. I don’t. You didn’t even bother to read my response because if you did you would have realized this.",
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">\n\nYou can have smol pp but big pp energy and vice versa",
">\n\nSo why is the phrase small dick energy if it has nothing to do with having a small dick?",
">\n\nIdk man, I just work here.",
">\n\nYou know why. Lol cause small dick is associated with bad. And by insulting dicks you use this knowledge to offend, at the cost of body shaming people. \nStop feigning dumb just to avoid the reasoning lol",
">\n\nI can see how it would be offensive, and I wouldn’t use it myself. I feel like the phrase refers more to how someone acts as opposed to how they are endowed. And how it’s behavior and actions that make people think down of you not your penis.",
">\n\nPoint is that we, as a society, should encourage better insults that attack the comments of the person without necessarily having to equate it to something someone with a small dick.",
">\n\nWould you agree with me, that if Andrew clapped back with one of those that the internet would be up in arms about it?",
">\n\nYou mean the way that you are, here, on the internet, up in arms?",
">\n\nIm one person on reddit, theres no major backlash like there would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\nSee, what's happening here is that you are also looking at people who are \"one person on Reddit\" and pretending it's a major backlash. Andrew Tate says fucked up things about women all the time (in fact, it's kind of his whole schtick) and it's as much of a non-event as this is.",
">\n\nPlease link me to something fucked up hes said about women, and ill agree with you, two wrongs don't make a right.",
">\n\nHere's exhibit A.",
">\n\nSure I agree with you he has said fucked up stuff about women, it doesn't mean its okay to make a joke about small dick energy.\nDo you understand my point?",
">\n\nWe understand, it's just that your point is fucking stupid",
">\n\nYou have no idea what his point is, it's funny that people on this thread OP and others actually like Andrew Tate.\nIt proves that everyone is completely frothingly tribalistic with zero nuance.",
">\n\nIf someone is behaving insufferably, people are going to laugh at them for things that they wouldn’t find funny if it happened to someone they liked.\nFor example, is it funny when people go bankrupt? No. Would it be funny if someone like Andrew Tate went bankrupt after boasting about Bugattis and all of his mass wealth? Yes. This doesn’t mean people who would make fun of him for that are making fun of poverty or all people who lose their livelihoods, it would just be funny if it happened to that particular person. \nIn the same way, the idea that Tate does all the douchey, over the top macho things that he does in order to compensate for having a small penis is funny, whilst it not being funny to make fun of every person who has a small penis.",
">\n\nSubstitute fat. Is that ok?",
">\n\nDepends on what the fat person is doing. If the person is minding their own business then no, if the fat person is attacking other people’s appearances then yeah go for it.",
">\n\nInteresting take. Might want to play with that a bit. A lot of situations where your reasoning falls apart.",
">\n\nPeople insulted Trump for being fat when he tried to say he was like the most fit person ever. People make fun of Elon Musk's body. You can make the same type of insult to two different people and it come off two different ways. \nWhen you make your identity or argument around something it opens up certain insults and comebacks. \nTate's whole thing is trying to act like this \"alpha male\" when in reality he's a sex trafficking weirdo who pays women to hang out with him. It's totally fine to insult him with a childish insult. \nI also find that people worried or mad about this don't actually care about body image issues. They just want a gotcha moment for people. Because many would have shitty takes about fat people or whine about pc culture.",
">\n\nWhen you call some MF that doesn't necessarily mean you are a MF... I'm not saying it's okay to say abusing words but we still do use them.\nI don't think she said it in literal terms, it was completely literary. Also she only said it cause it was Tate who she said it to. Also if a woman has small tits and someone said to someone else that they have small tits energy, I don't think one who actually has small tits would mind it, cause she is not involved and it's kinda perfect way of irritating Tate.. cause he really cares about these things. \nWhen it comes to increasing the insecurity of someone who actually has small D and is insecure about it... She couldn't think so far cause all she wanted was to irritate Tate and she was successful",
">\n\nI don't think it even irritated him if that was her goal but definitely helped him with popularity. It just proves what he says people think of insecure men, it just moves them to him and he gains more influence. It was an ignorant reply in poor taste. Someone with much following and influence as Greta shouldn't be as irresponsible and the followers shouldn't be having to do mental gymnastics to defend her instead of seeing it as it is: body shaming against men.",
">\n\nIs this some kind of weird meta-game? Are Andrew Tate fans pretending to actually be offended by this stupid insult to prove a point? Does anybody actually think her retort was any sharper than a brick wrapped in a wet blanket?\nWhat is going on here?!",
">\n\n\nWhat is going on here?!\n\nAndrew Tate fans have a lot of small dick energy. That's whats going on.",
">\n\nWhy are people not allowed dislike tate (he's an absolute idiot and a grifter) and also to criticize obvious body shaming from a supposed progressive? If Biden started talking about \"N*gger energy\" criticizing Kanye for antisemitism, would that be ok in your eyes? Would you say that a black guy who doesn't like that must be an angry Kanye fan? Or is it disgustingly offensive towards all African Americans to use that type of language no matter what?",
">\n\nBecause it suits their narrative to frame it as if people are just defending tate. It's easier than just actually defending body shaming. Done deal.",
">\n\nI think Greta used that phrase not because she actually believes or wants to promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior, but because people like Andrew Tate believe and promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior. If Andrew Tate gets hurt because Greta says he has small dick energy, then maybe -- just maybe, with the tiniest bit of introspection -- he'll come to realize how hateful some of his language is.\nBullies like Andrew Tate don't really respond to logic or pleas for sympathy. The only way to maybe make them understand the hurt they cause is to inflict it on them, because they don't care about anyone but themselves. \nSo instead of putting the cart before the horse and blaming Greta for using an offensive phrase as an argumentative tactic, maybe blame the people who use the phrase to actually demean people.",
">\n\nCan we substitute fat instead and be justified?",
">\n\nYes people did that with Trump when he claimed to be the fittest person ever basically. If someone has a habit of insulting people a certain way or making certain claims then they open themselves up to specific insults. \nSometimes we'd find those insults not tasteful if said to other people. But I feel like most people equating this to fat insults don't actually care about fat people. A lot of people would also be like oh things are getting too pc or soft or woke when it comes to body positivity towards fat people. So for me it's hard to buy this line of reasoning as being truly valid or caring.",
">\n\nNo one said it has to be authentic caring. This sub is for exploring the intellectual arguments. Your perception of how authentic someone’s feelings towards fat people is basically irrelevant. Argue the point or don’t. Passing your authenticity test is a wierd standard to try to argue for.",
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">\n\nYes, making insults is offensive. That's the point.\nInsults that reference a body part are also offensive to people who are insecure about that body part. That's also kinda obvious.\nWhat do you want your mind changed about here? I'm unclear about what you think can be discussed about an insult meant to be insulting. Are you arguing that this insult is especially wrong in some way?\nHow is this not just you soapboxing?",
">\n\nThere's a reason as a society we don't use insults like \"retard\". This is in the same vein. You're attributing a negative thing with a man having a small penis. This is harmful as it perpetuates the stigma surrounding penis size which is outside ones control. Essentially it degrades a group of people who have nothing to do with it. OP wants to know whether or not this is reconciled. Reading the comments... It has not been. \nMaking gendered insults doesn't bother me truthfully but I can understand the frustration OP is expressing because were it to be a man making some edgy reference to a woman's lady parts being inadequate as a way to demean them then everyone would be outraged as opposed to cheering it on.",
">\n\nUsing “small dick” as an insult, or “loose pussy” isn’t really offensive unless you are insecure about the physical viability of your reproductive organs. \nBut, that doesn’t make it funny. It’s a really juvenile and uncreative way of ridiculing someone.",
">\n\nInsecure women are offended when they're fat shamed.\nIt's still body shaming.\nIt's still wrong.",
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">\n\nGuy randomly decides to flex on her by saying I HAVE CARS AND I LIKE TO GO VROOOOM. It's like when Piers decides that it's absolutely important to eat meat in front of vegans. It's not about penis size. It's just that smalldickenergy is a perfect explanation of why would someone decide to behave like this.",
">\n\nShe is 19. Maybe in a few years she will have more mature insults. It’s a lot of pressure to be put on someone so young to also say the perfect thing all the time",
">\n\nUnder nearly all circumstances, I agree with you.\nHowever, for a lot of people who have built a cult of personality around any given ideal, insults of the inoffensive type are completely commonplace. All they have to do is fend off one or two instances of this PG rated attacks, strawman them, call them snowflakes, and their following is bolstered and enhanced. Instead of having any negative effect, it becomes part of their inherent power.\nSometimes if you want to rattle a cult leader you have to hit with precision their most critical weakness and watch them implode. The fact that Tate is squirming so hard and doing everything he can to reclaim some of his dignity after Greta's clapback means that she has his number. Great isn't saying that having a small dick is bad, but knowing that Tate's entire personality is built about being an alpha male and that calling into question the size of his member will hurt him the most is what she was after. \nOf course, it wasn't classy and could be offensive to some. But as the saying goes, sometimes you have to fight fire with fire.",
">\n\nReally is he squirming? \nHe's rich he's popular and now he's gotten someone he disagrees with to repeat his ideology and platform spreading it to a wider audience. \nI'd argue he's happy for the attention and popularity that she's given to him now and enjoying the increased sales in his business as more men who feel marginalized and left out join him seeing this hypocrisy playing out. Not to mention all the political players( internationally) who were against climate action seeing all this and aligning themselves appropriately, possibly propping him up and making him something more than what he actually is- An ignorant troll. \nEngage with a troll and you only give them more power. The tweet was dumb and people should know better.\nEdit: spacing",
">\n\nI'm not commenting on whether or not his fans will like him more or if the controversy will inadvertently grant him a wider audience. \nI'm commenting that Greta knew exactly where and how to hit him the hardest. Yes, he is definitely squirming. He has scrambled out half a dozen prepubescent \"I know you are but what am I\" tweets. Then he went and made the absolute cringiest response video. He's incensed by being talked down to by Greta and is overcompensating. \nDid her tweet have any net positive effect on society? No. Did it ruffle Tate's feathers and make his blood boil? Yea. Would he have even cared if she called him a misogynistic prick? Absolutely not. He would have just told her to sit down and shut up, that misogyny is made up by inferior women blah blah blah...\nInstead, his insecurities are eating him alive.",
">\n\nWhy even respond and give him attention that he so desperately craves? And why body shame men in the process? \nIf she didn't have a better insult she could have just went on with her life instead of helping him grow. Using \"small dick energy\" as an insult means implicitly we agree that people with small penises are inferior and undesirable. That's basically what Tate is on about ( Toxic masculinity). And by laughing at her tweet we all reinforce that perception. Do you get that? \nSick of double standards and hypocrisy. At least people should have the courage to own up and acknowledge it then move on instead of doubling down and performing mental gymnastics to justify an obvious case of body shaming.\nI agree with you on one thing that the net effect on society because of this tweet exchange is negative and only serves the people who Greta and her followers hate.",
">\n\nI think you are missing what I am saying. I fully agree that it wasn't necessary nor was it the right thing for Greta to do. I also agree that it just gives him attention and was overall a useless venture other for the entertainment of Tate haters.\nOP asked why it is okay. I stated that it isn't okay but that I understand why Greta took that road rather than the suggested non-offensive approach. It is because he's immune to it. What he isn't immune to is his masculinity and ego being questioned. What is the point of the Wolf continuing to blow on the brick house? None. To get to the scared little piggies inside he needs a jackhammer. \nAnd it worked exactly how she planned it to. He was rattled and anyone who hates Tate is amused. \nNot saying it's the right thing to do, nor do I want anyone to feel ashamed of the size of their penis.",
">\n\nOk.. thanks for elaborating on that. I misunderstood your comment as a disagreement and engaged to try and change your mind but seems we share the same view.",
">\n\nYou do not know what Greta is \"fully aware\" of. She is referring to character and behaviour, why are you taking this personally? She isn't speaking to you, hasn't seen you, doesn't know you. I don't know why you are externalizing your issue like this and waving it around in public, is it our responsibility to fix this for you?\nShe was just making a tiny joke. Relax. smalldickenergy @ getalife .com is hilarious.",
">\n\nAside from everything else, it's men who started the 'big dick energy' idiocy so to then complain when someone uses their own stupidity against them...",
">\n\nYeah because men are a monolith and we all meet in a room and know each other smh.",
">\n\nThey’re saying it’s offensive to more than just Andrew Tate",
">\n\nYeah but again, ISN'T THE PURPOSE",
">\n\nWhat do you mean again? You didn’t say that before. And why does the purpose matter? You can do a bad thing without meaning to.",
">\n\nI meant to say isn't that the purpose lol mb",
">\n\nOh lol I probably should have realized that. But I think the point of the insult was to offend Andrew Tate.",
">\n\nFair. Trying to not say anything about him one way or another so I don't get downvoted to hell.",
">\n\nGreta lost that argument. She literally has like a hundred things Tate has said and done she could attack. Easy target... The one thing she chose to do is to body shame the man. It's just name calling. It's not a refutation of Tate. If anything it makes her sound stupid for her inability to come up with a refutation.",
">\n\nExactly. But people are just cheering her on and laughing along without grasping the nuance of the situation.",
">\n\nI think you are kinda missing the point. People know it offensive. The issue is that they don't care.",
">\n\nPeople used to make fun of small tits all the time. Remember the 90s? Remember the itty bitty titty committee? I don't know if that's a thing any more, but skinny women with no butts are definitely not seen as attractive. It's not fair. It's not their fault. People need to stop shaming themselves and eachother, and accept all bodies. Until then, \"small dick energy\" won't cease to be an insult. I guess the difference is people are sort of \"punching up\" since it's always been people with dicks who have the power in this world. I've never heard a dude say that another dude has \"small dick energy.\" It's always a woman saying that. Either way I think it's dumb but I get it. I've always thought \"Karen\" was a dumb insult too. Not someone's fault they were named Karen, LOL.",
">\n\nAndrew insulted her. He was asking for this insult. She was totally in the right. She wasn’t trying to shame anyone else. You’re asking for this insult too.",
">\n\nIsn't it more offensive for small pp folk, that there is a guy who base his entire existence on top of an argument that being an alpha, prime male is the most important thing in the world, and you need to be a testosterone bomb gorilla to have any kind of value. Isn't that argument disregards small dick guys in the first place?",
">\n\nAnd Greta just reinforced it with her reply. Do you see the problem now?\nEdit:replaced \"comment\" with \"reply\"",
">\n\nI believe I've already made a statement about what the problem is.",
">\n\nThen do you understand why Greta's reply is offensive and playing into Andrew Tate's hands?",
">\n\nLol this is twitter. There is no playing into each other's hands. Get outside.",
">\n\nOh look. Greta is human. Someone who spent a lot of her growing up time trying to educate people.\nIf she was in a bar and some doofus made a pass, she's just asserting herself. Age and context. Good on her.",
">\n\nIt is actually been studied. Men with small penises actually do have less energy- testosterone or something.",
">\n\nBeing offended by anything is each person's individual choice. If something is offensive to you, then simply choose to not be offended by it. It's truly that simple.",
">\n\nSo there is no such thing as hate speech?",
">\n\nNo, I didn't say that. Someone can certainly say something to someone that they hate with words that they feel will harm them mentally. That is \"hate speech\". The point I was trying to make is that we all as individuals have the choice to react to whatever someone says in whatever way we choose to react. If I feel offended by something that someone is saying, it is my choice to be offended by it.",
">\n\nI pretty much agree, but now we come to who decides. Does the person doing the talking decide whether it is hate speech? Or the person being talked at?",
">\n\nThere is no decision. The person who is talking thinks that what they are saying is not hateful, or they do. The person being talked at thinks that what the other person is saying is hateful, or they don't. The point is that it only matters if you make it matter to you. For example, if I say you are the dumbest person on earth, am I committing the crime of hate speech? Are you the dumbest person on earth? Probably not. But maybe I believe that you are. Does that make it true? If so, then it's not hate speech it's the truth...to me. If you, personally, believe that you are not the dumbest person on earth, then why would you concern yourself with what my dumbass has to say? To you, I'm the dumbest person on earth. I hope I'm getting my point across here.",
">\n\nSo we agree then? No laws regarding hate speech at all. You just ignore it and move on.",
">\n\nYes, sir.",
">\n\nYup",
">\n\nWhat if I say that I am offended that you are offended that you say \"small dick energy\" is offensive to men that are insecure about their size? Say I'm a man with a huge, massive dong. Say it's been a huge issue for me all my life. Let's say, hypothetically, that I am hugely insecure about the massive size of my dong and it's given me problems all my life. Every time I, hypothetically, go for a jog it's constantly flopping all over the place chaffing up my leg. Every time I have sex it's always this huge issue and only like half of the thing can go in before the receiver is like \"oh my god, stop, that's too much!\" Every time I receive oral sex, anything more than an inch beyond the tip causes a gag reflex. Does that sound exciting to you? Here you are bragging about your completely normal sized penis and all your normal sized penis sex and here this hypothetical person with a huge massive dong has all these issues. I can see how a hypothetical person with this debilitating issue would take offense that you take offense.",
">\n\nShe's an edgelord",
">\n\nreddit"
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Do you really get that offended? It's not like males themselves haven't sexualized females and their bodies and have said even worse and more common things about them? But we get offended over sum small? pun intended
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"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult.",
">\n\nIt's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh.",
">\n\nHonestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV",
">\n\nPeople can make mistakes and this was one of them.. so we can all just criticize her reply fairly and move on. No need for acute mental gymnastics to defend her as this comments section is showing lmao.",
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">\n\nI don't think anyone is arguing it's not offensive. I'm pretty sure she was trying to offend insecure men. Apparently with great success.",
">\n\nShe was trying to offend men who were insecure about their body image?\nHow is that not body shaming?",
">\n\nIt is, but we playing the avoidance and rationalization game",
">\n\nbecause women invented \"small dick energy\"\nharsh, sad. but we go jim🗿",
">\n\nOP never mentioned women tho. Post is strictly about why it's offensive. Do you disagree that it's not offensive or you think it's a trivial matter to make fun of that men's mental health doesn't matter as much?",
">\n\nThe female equivalent is\n\"Loose Pussy Energy\".\nThe typical man-hate hypocrisy commonly going around is beyond obvious. And it is an attack on All men and boys not just some.",
">\n\nNot a disagreement per se, but also worth noting that it’s transphobic. Which is to say, it insults all men by reinforcing patriarchy and punching down to two groups of men.",
">\n\nShe said small dick energy. Not that he had a small dick (though, come on). She used that phrase BECAUSE it's Tate. She's not a moron.\nHe is, as evidenced by his life to this point and his two responses to Thunberg, which were epically pathetic, is a moron and didn't seem to get it, though he doesn't get a lot.",
">\n\nThis is worse than saying he has a small dick, because how would she know, and that would just be dismissed as stupid.\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\nI can't understand the mental gymnastics some people are doing to try and say this isn't body shaming.",
">\n\n\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\n\nI mean yeah -- kind of like how pussy is an insult denoting cowardice, cunt is an insult meaning basically, terrible, etc., \nShe used that on purpose. Are you making CMV every time you see someone calling someone else a pussy?",
">\n\nPussy is kind of already known to be a shitty gendered insult so it doesn't need a CMV. In this case, Greta's gendered \"having a small penis is bad\" tweet is massively amplified, reached r/all on a shitload of subs, etc. so some discussion about whether or not that is cool is warranted",
">\n\nSmall dick energy isn’t about having a small dick tho. It’s a reflection of an attitude that men who are offensive, aggressive, nasty to people are overcompensating for their insecurities. A small dick doesn’t mean you won’t be able to find a partner or that you’re any less of a man. Being a downright trash bag of a human to others, like in this instance where an internet edgelord is cyber bullying a teenager on the internet who is fighting for the survival of our planet/humanity is an example of this trash behavior, is more of a determining factor. \nYou can also have a small dick but have big dick energy, as it’s reflective of who you are as a person. It’s an attitude. It’s who you choose to be to yourself and others. Hell, there’s women who use the term that they have big dick energy and I can tell you those women’s dicks are none existent so therefore size isn’t a thing. \nNo one should be made fun of for something they had no control over. The worth of a man is not tied to the size of his penis. Although, toxic masculinity and shallow people will tell you different. They say the same for disabled people, fat people etc. There’s plenty of people who are not “conventional standards of beauty” which is the majority of us, that lead happy, healthy relationships. Those relationships start with yourself and understanding your worth as a person isn’t tied to what you look like or how big your junk is. \nThe point is if you choose to be a trash person like Tate, where your self worth is tied into how cruel/offensive you can be to other people, don’t be mad if people call you out for that trashy attitude. Your post definitely reeks of “men are the true victims” when clearly you didn’t seem to have a problem with a grown man cyber bullying a teenager.",
">\n\nI like how you imply that OP is a fan of a literal human trafficker because they point out that a body-shaming insult is body-shaming. Do you understand why associating a trait of someone's body with negative personality traits is bad?",
">\n\nNo because people like this always have exceptions that allow them to use the things they complain about. Cognitive gymnastics allows them to recognise shaming women and people of colour is bad, because society will eat them otherwise, but when someone shows up who deserves a bit of a roasting all of their social etiquette rules go out the window and the excuses come out as to why in this context it doesn't count.\n\"Ahh no, here it is a reflection of an attitude\" blah blah 3 paragraphs later and we've clouded over the simple fact that body shaming is body shaming and harms people you weren't intending to insult.",
">\n\nPeople like this? You’re assuming things about me because I am a character in your mind not a real person. I am not a monolith. We should not be body shaming people. I am explaining the other side of this issue and why people use these terms. You never asked if I use these same terms in my life. You assumed I do. I don’t. You didn’t even bother to read my response because if you did you would have realized this.",
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">\n\nYou can have smol pp but big pp energy and vice versa",
">\n\nSo why is the phrase small dick energy if it has nothing to do with having a small dick?",
">\n\nIdk man, I just work here.",
">\n\nYou know why. Lol cause small dick is associated with bad. And by insulting dicks you use this knowledge to offend, at the cost of body shaming people. \nStop feigning dumb just to avoid the reasoning lol",
">\n\nI can see how it would be offensive, and I wouldn’t use it myself. I feel like the phrase refers more to how someone acts as opposed to how they are endowed. And how it’s behavior and actions that make people think down of you not your penis.",
">\n\nPoint is that we, as a society, should encourage better insults that attack the comments of the person without necessarily having to equate it to something someone with a small dick.",
">\n\nWould you agree with me, that if Andrew clapped back with one of those that the internet would be up in arms about it?",
">\n\nYou mean the way that you are, here, on the internet, up in arms?",
">\n\nIm one person on reddit, theres no major backlash like there would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\nSee, what's happening here is that you are also looking at people who are \"one person on Reddit\" and pretending it's a major backlash. Andrew Tate says fucked up things about women all the time (in fact, it's kind of his whole schtick) and it's as much of a non-event as this is.",
">\n\nPlease link me to something fucked up hes said about women, and ill agree with you, two wrongs don't make a right.",
">\n\nHere's exhibit A.",
">\n\nSure I agree with you he has said fucked up stuff about women, it doesn't mean its okay to make a joke about small dick energy.\nDo you understand my point?",
">\n\nWe understand, it's just that your point is fucking stupid",
">\n\nYou have no idea what his point is, it's funny that people on this thread OP and others actually like Andrew Tate.\nIt proves that everyone is completely frothingly tribalistic with zero nuance.",
">\n\nIf someone is behaving insufferably, people are going to laugh at them for things that they wouldn’t find funny if it happened to someone they liked.\nFor example, is it funny when people go bankrupt? No. Would it be funny if someone like Andrew Tate went bankrupt after boasting about Bugattis and all of his mass wealth? Yes. This doesn’t mean people who would make fun of him for that are making fun of poverty or all people who lose their livelihoods, it would just be funny if it happened to that particular person. \nIn the same way, the idea that Tate does all the douchey, over the top macho things that he does in order to compensate for having a small penis is funny, whilst it not being funny to make fun of every person who has a small penis.",
">\n\nSubstitute fat. Is that ok?",
">\n\nDepends on what the fat person is doing. If the person is minding their own business then no, if the fat person is attacking other people’s appearances then yeah go for it.",
">\n\nInteresting take. Might want to play with that a bit. A lot of situations where your reasoning falls apart.",
">\n\nPeople insulted Trump for being fat when he tried to say he was like the most fit person ever. People make fun of Elon Musk's body. You can make the same type of insult to two different people and it come off two different ways. \nWhen you make your identity or argument around something it opens up certain insults and comebacks. \nTate's whole thing is trying to act like this \"alpha male\" when in reality he's a sex trafficking weirdo who pays women to hang out with him. It's totally fine to insult him with a childish insult. \nI also find that people worried or mad about this don't actually care about body image issues. They just want a gotcha moment for people. Because many would have shitty takes about fat people or whine about pc culture.",
">\n\nWhen you call some MF that doesn't necessarily mean you are a MF... I'm not saying it's okay to say abusing words but we still do use them.\nI don't think she said it in literal terms, it was completely literary. Also she only said it cause it was Tate who she said it to. Also if a woman has small tits and someone said to someone else that they have small tits energy, I don't think one who actually has small tits would mind it, cause she is not involved and it's kinda perfect way of irritating Tate.. cause he really cares about these things. \nWhen it comes to increasing the insecurity of someone who actually has small D and is insecure about it... She couldn't think so far cause all she wanted was to irritate Tate and she was successful",
">\n\nI don't think it even irritated him if that was her goal but definitely helped him with popularity. It just proves what he says people think of insecure men, it just moves them to him and he gains more influence. It was an ignorant reply in poor taste. Someone with much following and influence as Greta shouldn't be as irresponsible and the followers shouldn't be having to do mental gymnastics to defend her instead of seeing it as it is: body shaming against men.",
">\n\nIs this some kind of weird meta-game? Are Andrew Tate fans pretending to actually be offended by this stupid insult to prove a point? Does anybody actually think her retort was any sharper than a brick wrapped in a wet blanket?\nWhat is going on here?!",
">\n\n\nWhat is going on here?!\n\nAndrew Tate fans have a lot of small dick energy. That's whats going on.",
">\n\nWhy are people not allowed dislike tate (he's an absolute idiot and a grifter) and also to criticize obvious body shaming from a supposed progressive? If Biden started talking about \"N*gger energy\" criticizing Kanye for antisemitism, would that be ok in your eyes? Would you say that a black guy who doesn't like that must be an angry Kanye fan? Or is it disgustingly offensive towards all African Americans to use that type of language no matter what?",
">\n\nBecause it suits their narrative to frame it as if people are just defending tate. It's easier than just actually defending body shaming. Done deal.",
">\n\nI think Greta used that phrase not because she actually believes or wants to promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior, but because people like Andrew Tate believe and promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior. If Andrew Tate gets hurt because Greta says he has small dick energy, then maybe -- just maybe, with the tiniest bit of introspection -- he'll come to realize how hateful some of his language is.\nBullies like Andrew Tate don't really respond to logic or pleas for sympathy. The only way to maybe make them understand the hurt they cause is to inflict it on them, because they don't care about anyone but themselves. \nSo instead of putting the cart before the horse and blaming Greta for using an offensive phrase as an argumentative tactic, maybe blame the people who use the phrase to actually demean people.",
">\n\nCan we substitute fat instead and be justified?",
">\n\nYes people did that with Trump when he claimed to be the fittest person ever basically. If someone has a habit of insulting people a certain way or making certain claims then they open themselves up to specific insults. \nSometimes we'd find those insults not tasteful if said to other people. But I feel like most people equating this to fat insults don't actually care about fat people. A lot of people would also be like oh things are getting too pc or soft or woke when it comes to body positivity towards fat people. So for me it's hard to buy this line of reasoning as being truly valid or caring.",
">\n\nNo one said it has to be authentic caring. This sub is for exploring the intellectual arguments. Your perception of how authentic someone’s feelings towards fat people is basically irrelevant. Argue the point or don’t. Passing your authenticity test is a wierd standard to try to argue for.",
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">\n\nYes, making insults is offensive. That's the point.\nInsults that reference a body part are also offensive to people who are insecure about that body part. That's also kinda obvious.\nWhat do you want your mind changed about here? I'm unclear about what you think can be discussed about an insult meant to be insulting. Are you arguing that this insult is especially wrong in some way?\nHow is this not just you soapboxing?",
">\n\nThere's a reason as a society we don't use insults like \"retard\". This is in the same vein. You're attributing a negative thing with a man having a small penis. This is harmful as it perpetuates the stigma surrounding penis size which is outside ones control. Essentially it degrades a group of people who have nothing to do with it. OP wants to know whether or not this is reconciled. Reading the comments... It has not been. \nMaking gendered insults doesn't bother me truthfully but I can understand the frustration OP is expressing because were it to be a man making some edgy reference to a woman's lady parts being inadequate as a way to demean them then everyone would be outraged as opposed to cheering it on.",
">\n\nUsing “small dick” as an insult, or “loose pussy” isn’t really offensive unless you are insecure about the physical viability of your reproductive organs. \nBut, that doesn’t make it funny. It’s a really juvenile and uncreative way of ridiculing someone.",
">\n\nInsecure women are offended when they're fat shamed.\nIt's still body shaming.\nIt's still wrong.",
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">\n\nGuy randomly decides to flex on her by saying I HAVE CARS AND I LIKE TO GO VROOOOM. It's like when Piers decides that it's absolutely important to eat meat in front of vegans. It's not about penis size. It's just that smalldickenergy is a perfect explanation of why would someone decide to behave like this.",
">\n\nShe is 19. Maybe in a few years she will have more mature insults. It’s a lot of pressure to be put on someone so young to also say the perfect thing all the time",
">\n\nUnder nearly all circumstances, I agree with you.\nHowever, for a lot of people who have built a cult of personality around any given ideal, insults of the inoffensive type are completely commonplace. All they have to do is fend off one or two instances of this PG rated attacks, strawman them, call them snowflakes, and their following is bolstered and enhanced. Instead of having any negative effect, it becomes part of their inherent power.\nSometimes if you want to rattle a cult leader you have to hit with precision their most critical weakness and watch them implode. The fact that Tate is squirming so hard and doing everything he can to reclaim some of his dignity after Greta's clapback means that she has his number. Great isn't saying that having a small dick is bad, but knowing that Tate's entire personality is built about being an alpha male and that calling into question the size of his member will hurt him the most is what she was after. \nOf course, it wasn't classy and could be offensive to some. But as the saying goes, sometimes you have to fight fire with fire.",
">\n\nReally is he squirming? \nHe's rich he's popular and now he's gotten someone he disagrees with to repeat his ideology and platform spreading it to a wider audience. \nI'd argue he's happy for the attention and popularity that she's given to him now and enjoying the increased sales in his business as more men who feel marginalized and left out join him seeing this hypocrisy playing out. Not to mention all the political players( internationally) who were against climate action seeing all this and aligning themselves appropriately, possibly propping him up and making him something more than what he actually is- An ignorant troll. \nEngage with a troll and you only give them more power. The tweet was dumb and people should know better.\nEdit: spacing",
">\n\nI'm not commenting on whether or not his fans will like him more or if the controversy will inadvertently grant him a wider audience. \nI'm commenting that Greta knew exactly where and how to hit him the hardest. Yes, he is definitely squirming. He has scrambled out half a dozen prepubescent \"I know you are but what am I\" tweets. Then he went and made the absolute cringiest response video. He's incensed by being talked down to by Greta and is overcompensating. \nDid her tweet have any net positive effect on society? No. Did it ruffle Tate's feathers and make his blood boil? Yea. Would he have even cared if she called him a misogynistic prick? Absolutely not. He would have just told her to sit down and shut up, that misogyny is made up by inferior women blah blah blah...\nInstead, his insecurities are eating him alive.",
">\n\nWhy even respond and give him attention that he so desperately craves? And why body shame men in the process? \nIf she didn't have a better insult she could have just went on with her life instead of helping him grow. Using \"small dick energy\" as an insult means implicitly we agree that people with small penises are inferior and undesirable. That's basically what Tate is on about ( Toxic masculinity). And by laughing at her tweet we all reinforce that perception. Do you get that? \nSick of double standards and hypocrisy. At least people should have the courage to own up and acknowledge it then move on instead of doubling down and performing mental gymnastics to justify an obvious case of body shaming.\nI agree with you on one thing that the net effect on society because of this tweet exchange is negative and only serves the people who Greta and her followers hate.",
">\n\nI think you are missing what I am saying. I fully agree that it wasn't necessary nor was it the right thing for Greta to do. I also agree that it just gives him attention and was overall a useless venture other for the entertainment of Tate haters.\nOP asked why it is okay. I stated that it isn't okay but that I understand why Greta took that road rather than the suggested non-offensive approach. It is because he's immune to it. What he isn't immune to is his masculinity and ego being questioned. What is the point of the Wolf continuing to blow on the brick house? None. To get to the scared little piggies inside he needs a jackhammer. \nAnd it worked exactly how she planned it to. He was rattled and anyone who hates Tate is amused. \nNot saying it's the right thing to do, nor do I want anyone to feel ashamed of the size of their penis.",
">\n\nOk.. thanks for elaborating on that. I misunderstood your comment as a disagreement and engaged to try and change your mind but seems we share the same view.",
">\n\nYou do not know what Greta is \"fully aware\" of. She is referring to character and behaviour, why are you taking this personally? She isn't speaking to you, hasn't seen you, doesn't know you. I don't know why you are externalizing your issue like this and waving it around in public, is it our responsibility to fix this for you?\nShe was just making a tiny joke. Relax. smalldickenergy @ getalife .com is hilarious.",
">\n\nAside from everything else, it's men who started the 'big dick energy' idiocy so to then complain when someone uses their own stupidity against them...",
">\n\nYeah because men are a monolith and we all meet in a room and know each other smh.",
">\n\nThey’re saying it’s offensive to more than just Andrew Tate",
">\n\nYeah but again, ISN'T THE PURPOSE",
">\n\nWhat do you mean again? You didn’t say that before. And why does the purpose matter? You can do a bad thing without meaning to.",
">\n\nI meant to say isn't that the purpose lol mb",
">\n\nOh lol I probably should have realized that. But I think the point of the insult was to offend Andrew Tate.",
">\n\nFair. Trying to not say anything about him one way or another so I don't get downvoted to hell.",
">\n\nGreta lost that argument. She literally has like a hundred things Tate has said and done she could attack. Easy target... The one thing she chose to do is to body shame the man. It's just name calling. It's not a refutation of Tate. If anything it makes her sound stupid for her inability to come up with a refutation.",
">\n\nExactly. But people are just cheering her on and laughing along without grasping the nuance of the situation.",
">\n\nI think you are kinda missing the point. People know it offensive. The issue is that they don't care.",
">\n\nPeople used to make fun of small tits all the time. Remember the 90s? Remember the itty bitty titty committee? I don't know if that's a thing any more, but skinny women with no butts are definitely not seen as attractive. It's not fair. It's not their fault. People need to stop shaming themselves and eachother, and accept all bodies. Until then, \"small dick energy\" won't cease to be an insult. I guess the difference is people are sort of \"punching up\" since it's always been people with dicks who have the power in this world. I've never heard a dude say that another dude has \"small dick energy.\" It's always a woman saying that. Either way I think it's dumb but I get it. I've always thought \"Karen\" was a dumb insult too. Not someone's fault they were named Karen, LOL.",
">\n\nAndrew insulted her. He was asking for this insult. She was totally in the right. She wasn’t trying to shame anyone else. You’re asking for this insult too.",
">\n\nIsn't it more offensive for small pp folk, that there is a guy who base his entire existence on top of an argument that being an alpha, prime male is the most important thing in the world, and you need to be a testosterone bomb gorilla to have any kind of value. Isn't that argument disregards small dick guys in the first place?",
">\n\nAnd Greta just reinforced it with her reply. Do you see the problem now?\nEdit:replaced \"comment\" with \"reply\"",
">\n\nI believe I've already made a statement about what the problem is.",
">\n\nThen do you understand why Greta's reply is offensive and playing into Andrew Tate's hands?",
">\n\nLol this is twitter. There is no playing into each other's hands. Get outside.",
">\n\nOh look. Greta is human. Someone who spent a lot of her growing up time trying to educate people.\nIf she was in a bar and some doofus made a pass, she's just asserting herself. Age and context. Good on her.",
">\n\nIt is actually been studied. Men with small penises actually do have less energy- testosterone or something.",
">\n\nBeing offended by anything is each person's individual choice. If something is offensive to you, then simply choose to not be offended by it. It's truly that simple.",
">\n\nSo there is no such thing as hate speech?",
">\n\nNo, I didn't say that. Someone can certainly say something to someone that they hate with words that they feel will harm them mentally. That is \"hate speech\". The point I was trying to make is that we all as individuals have the choice to react to whatever someone says in whatever way we choose to react. If I feel offended by something that someone is saying, it is my choice to be offended by it.",
">\n\nI pretty much agree, but now we come to who decides. Does the person doing the talking decide whether it is hate speech? Or the person being talked at?",
">\n\nThere is no decision. The person who is talking thinks that what they are saying is not hateful, or they do. The person being talked at thinks that what the other person is saying is hateful, or they don't. The point is that it only matters if you make it matter to you. For example, if I say you are the dumbest person on earth, am I committing the crime of hate speech? Are you the dumbest person on earth? Probably not. But maybe I believe that you are. Does that make it true? If so, then it's not hate speech it's the truth...to me. If you, personally, believe that you are not the dumbest person on earth, then why would you concern yourself with what my dumbass has to say? To you, I'm the dumbest person on earth. I hope I'm getting my point across here.",
">\n\nSo we agree then? No laws regarding hate speech at all. You just ignore it and move on.",
">\n\nYes, sir.",
">\n\nYup",
">\n\nWhat if I say that I am offended that you are offended that you say \"small dick energy\" is offensive to men that are insecure about their size? Say I'm a man with a huge, massive dong. Say it's been a huge issue for me all my life. Let's say, hypothetically, that I am hugely insecure about the massive size of my dong and it's given me problems all my life. Every time I, hypothetically, go for a jog it's constantly flopping all over the place chaffing up my leg. Every time I have sex it's always this huge issue and only like half of the thing can go in before the receiver is like \"oh my god, stop, that's too much!\" Every time I receive oral sex, anything more than an inch beyond the tip causes a gag reflex. Does that sound exciting to you? Here you are bragging about your completely normal sized penis and all your normal sized penis sex and here this hypothetical person with a huge massive dong has all these issues. I can see how a hypothetical person with this debilitating issue would take offense that you take offense.",
">\n\nShe's an edgelord",
">\n\nreddit",
">\n\nSounds like a skill issue"
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"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult.",
">\n\nIt's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh.",
">\n\nHonestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV",
">\n\nPeople can make mistakes and this was one of them.. so we can all just criticize her reply fairly and move on. No need for acute mental gymnastics to defend her as this comments section is showing lmao.",
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">\n\nI don't think anyone is arguing it's not offensive. I'm pretty sure she was trying to offend insecure men. Apparently with great success.",
">\n\nShe was trying to offend men who were insecure about their body image?\nHow is that not body shaming?",
">\n\nIt is, but we playing the avoidance and rationalization game",
">\n\nbecause women invented \"small dick energy\"\nharsh, sad. but we go jim🗿",
">\n\nOP never mentioned women tho. Post is strictly about why it's offensive. Do you disagree that it's not offensive or you think it's a trivial matter to make fun of that men's mental health doesn't matter as much?",
">\n\nThe female equivalent is\n\"Loose Pussy Energy\".\nThe typical man-hate hypocrisy commonly going around is beyond obvious. And it is an attack on All men and boys not just some.",
">\n\nNot a disagreement per se, but also worth noting that it’s transphobic. Which is to say, it insults all men by reinforcing patriarchy and punching down to two groups of men.",
">\n\nShe said small dick energy. Not that he had a small dick (though, come on). She used that phrase BECAUSE it's Tate. She's not a moron.\nHe is, as evidenced by his life to this point and his two responses to Thunberg, which were epically pathetic, is a moron and didn't seem to get it, though he doesn't get a lot.",
">\n\nThis is worse than saying he has a small dick, because how would she know, and that would just be dismissed as stupid.\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\nI can't understand the mental gymnastics some people are doing to try and say this isn't body shaming.",
">\n\n\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\n\nI mean yeah -- kind of like how pussy is an insult denoting cowardice, cunt is an insult meaning basically, terrible, etc., \nShe used that on purpose. Are you making CMV every time you see someone calling someone else a pussy?",
">\n\nPussy is kind of already known to be a shitty gendered insult so it doesn't need a CMV. In this case, Greta's gendered \"having a small penis is bad\" tweet is massively amplified, reached r/all on a shitload of subs, etc. so some discussion about whether or not that is cool is warranted",
">\n\nSmall dick energy isn’t about having a small dick tho. It’s a reflection of an attitude that men who are offensive, aggressive, nasty to people are overcompensating for their insecurities. A small dick doesn’t mean you won’t be able to find a partner or that you’re any less of a man. Being a downright trash bag of a human to others, like in this instance where an internet edgelord is cyber bullying a teenager on the internet who is fighting for the survival of our planet/humanity is an example of this trash behavior, is more of a determining factor. \nYou can also have a small dick but have big dick energy, as it’s reflective of who you are as a person. It’s an attitude. It’s who you choose to be to yourself and others. Hell, there’s women who use the term that they have big dick energy and I can tell you those women’s dicks are none existent so therefore size isn’t a thing. \nNo one should be made fun of for something they had no control over. The worth of a man is not tied to the size of his penis. Although, toxic masculinity and shallow people will tell you different. They say the same for disabled people, fat people etc. There’s plenty of people who are not “conventional standards of beauty” which is the majority of us, that lead happy, healthy relationships. Those relationships start with yourself and understanding your worth as a person isn’t tied to what you look like or how big your junk is. \nThe point is if you choose to be a trash person like Tate, where your self worth is tied into how cruel/offensive you can be to other people, don’t be mad if people call you out for that trashy attitude. Your post definitely reeks of “men are the true victims” when clearly you didn’t seem to have a problem with a grown man cyber bullying a teenager.",
">\n\nI like how you imply that OP is a fan of a literal human trafficker because they point out that a body-shaming insult is body-shaming. Do you understand why associating a trait of someone's body with negative personality traits is bad?",
">\n\nNo because people like this always have exceptions that allow them to use the things they complain about. Cognitive gymnastics allows them to recognise shaming women and people of colour is bad, because society will eat them otherwise, but when someone shows up who deserves a bit of a roasting all of their social etiquette rules go out the window and the excuses come out as to why in this context it doesn't count.\n\"Ahh no, here it is a reflection of an attitude\" blah blah 3 paragraphs later and we've clouded over the simple fact that body shaming is body shaming and harms people you weren't intending to insult.",
">\n\nPeople like this? You’re assuming things about me because I am a character in your mind not a real person. I am not a monolith. We should not be body shaming people. I am explaining the other side of this issue and why people use these terms. You never asked if I use these same terms in my life. You assumed I do. I don’t. You didn’t even bother to read my response because if you did you would have realized this.",
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">\n\nYou can have smol pp but big pp energy and vice versa",
">\n\nSo why is the phrase small dick energy if it has nothing to do with having a small dick?",
">\n\nIdk man, I just work here.",
">\n\nYou know why. Lol cause small dick is associated with bad. And by insulting dicks you use this knowledge to offend, at the cost of body shaming people. \nStop feigning dumb just to avoid the reasoning lol",
">\n\nI can see how it would be offensive, and I wouldn’t use it myself. I feel like the phrase refers more to how someone acts as opposed to how they are endowed. And how it’s behavior and actions that make people think down of you not your penis.",
">\n\nPoint is that we, as a society, should encourage better insults that attack the comments of the person without necessarily having to equate it to something someone with a small dick.",
">\n\nWould you agree with me, that if Andrew clapped back with one of those that the internet would be up in arms about it?",
">\n\nYou mean the way that you are, here, on the internet, up in arms?",
">\n\nIm one person on reddit, theres no major backlash like there would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\nSee, what's happening here is that you are also looking at people who are \"one person on Reddit\" and pretending it's a major backlash. Andrew Tate says fucked up things about women all the time (in fact, it's kind of his whole schtick) and it's as much of a non-event as this is.",
">\n\nPlease link me to something fucked up hes said about women, and ill agree with you, two wrongs don't make a right.",
">\n\nHere's exhibit A.",
">\n\nSure I agree with you he has said fucked up stuff about women, it doesn't mean its okay to make a joke about small dick energy.\nDo you understand my point?",
">\n\nWe understand, it's just that your point is fucking stupid",
">\n\nYou have no idea what his point is, it's funny that people on this thread OP and others actually like Andrew Tate.\nIt proves that everyone is completely frothingly tribalistic with zero nuance.",
">\n\nIf someone is behaving insufferably, people are going to laugh at them for things that they wouldn’t find funny if it happened to someone they liked.\nFor example, is it funny when people go bankrupt? No. Would it be funny if someone like Andrew Tate went bankrupt after boasting about Bugattis and all of his mass wealth? Yes. This doesn’t mean people who would make fun of him for that are making fun of poverty or all people who lose their livelihoods, it would just be funny if it happened to that particular person. \nIn the same way, the idea that Tate does all the douchey, over the top macho things that he does in order to compensate for having a small penis is funny, whilst it not being funny to make fun of every person who has a small penis.",
">\n\nSubstitute fat. Is that ok?",
">\n\nDepends on what the fat person is doing. If the person is minding their own business then no, if the fat person is attacking other people’s appearances then yeah go for it.",
">\n\nInteresting take. Might want to play with that a bit. A lot of situations where your reasoning falls apart.",
">\n\nPeople insulted Trump for being fat when he tried to say he was like the most fit person ever. People make fun of Elon Musk's body. You can make the same type of insult to two different people and it come off two different ways. \nWhen you make your identity or argument around something it opens up certain insults and comebacks. \nTate's whole thing is trying to act like this \"alpha male\" when in reality he's a sex trafficking weirdo who pays women to hang out with him. It's totally fine to insult him with a childish insult. \nI also find that people worried or mad about this don't actually care about body image issues. They just want a gotcha moment for people. Because many would have shitty takes about fat people or whine about pc culture.",
">\n\nWhen you call some MF that doesn't necessarily mean you are a MF... I'm not saying it's okay to say abusing words but we still do use them.\nI don't think she said it in literal terms, it was completely literary. Also she only said it cause it was Tate who she said it to. Also if a woman has small tits and someone said to someone else that they have small tits energy, I don't think one who actually has small tits would mind it, cause she is not involved and it's kinda perfect way of irritating Tate.. cause he really cares about these things. \nWhen it comes to increasing the insecurity of someone who actually has small D and is insecure about it... She couldn't think so far cause all she wanted was to irritate Tate and she was successful",
">\n\nI don't think it even irritated him if that was her goal but definitely helped him with popularity. It just proves what he says people think of insecure men, it just moves them to him and he gains more influence. It was an ignorant reply in poor taste. Someone with much following and influence as Greta shouldn't be as irresponsible and the followers shouldn't be having to do mental gymnastics to defend her instead of seeing it as it is: body shaming against men.",
">\n\nIs this some kind of weird meta-game? Are Andrew Tate fans pretending to actually be offended by this stupid insult to prove a point? Does anybody actually think her retort was any sharper than a brick wrapped in a wet blanket?\nWhat is going on here?!",
">\n\n\nWhat is going on here?!\n\nAndrew Tate fans have a lot of small dick energy. That's whats going on.",
">\n\nWhy are people not allowed dislike tate (he's an absolute idiot and a grifter) and also to criticize obvious body shaming from a supposed progressive? If Biden started talking about \"N*gger energy\" criticizing Kanye for antisemitism, would that be ok in your eyes? Would you say that a black guy who doesn't like that must be an angry Kanye fan? Or is it disgustingly offensive towards all African Americans to use that type of language no matter what?",
">\n\nBecause it suits their narrative to frame it as if people are just defending tate. It's easier than just actually defending body shaming. Done deal.",
">\n\nI think Greta used that phrase not because she actually believes or wants to promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior, but because people like Andrew Tate believe and promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior. If Andrew Tate gets hurt because Greta says he has small dick energy, then maybe -- just maybe, with the tiniest bit of introspection -- he'll come to realize how hateful some of his language is.\nBullies like Andrew Tate don't really respond to logic or pleas for sympathy. The only way to maybe make them understand the hurt they cause is to inflict it on them, because they don't care about anyone but themselves. \nSo instead of putting the cart before the horse and blaming Greta for using an offensive phrase as an argumentative tactic, maybe blame the people who use the phrase to actually demean people.",
">\n\nCan we substitute fat instead and be justified?",
">\n\nYes people did that with Trump when he claimed to be the fittest person ever basically. If someone has a habit of insulting people a certain way or making certain claims then they open themselves up to specific insults. \nSometimes we'd find those insults not tasteful if said to other people. But I feel like most people equating this to fat insults don't actually care about fat people. A lot of people would also be like oh things are getting too pc or soft or woke when it comes to body positivity towards fat people. So for me it's hard to buy this line of reasoning as being truly valid or caring.",
">\n\nNo one said it has to be authentic caring. This sub is for exploring the intellectual arguments. Your perception of how authentic someone’s feelings towards fat people is basically irrelevant. Argue the point or don’t. Passing your authenticity test is a wierd standard to try to argue for.",
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">\n\nYes, making insults is offensive. That's the point.\nInsults that reference a body part are also offensive to people who are insecure about that body part. That's also kinda obvious.\nWhat do you want your mind changed about here? I'm unclear about what you think can be discussed about an insult meant to be insulting. Are you arguing that this insult is especially wrong in some way?\nHow is this not just you soapboxing?",
">\n\nThere's a reason as a society we don't use insults like \"retard\". This is in the same vein. You're attributing a negative thing with a man having a small penis. This is harmful as it perpetuates the stigma surrounding penis size which is outside ones control. Essentially it degrades a group of people who have nothing to do with it. OP wants to know whether or not this is reconciled. Reading the comments... It has not been. \nMaking gendered insults doesn't bother me truthfully but I can understand the frustration OP is expressing because were it to be a man making some edgy reference to a woman's lady parts being inadequate as a way to demean them then everyone would be outraged as opposed to cheering it on.",
">\n\nUsing “small dick” as an insult, or “loose pussy” isn’t really offensive unless you are insecure about the physical viability of your reproductive organs. \nBut, that doesn’t make it funny. It’s a really juvenile and uncreative way of ridiculing someone.",
">\n\nInsecure women are offended when they're fat shamed.\nIt's still body shaming.\nIt's still wrong.",
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">\n\nGuy randomly decides to flex on her by saying I HAVE CARS AND I LIKE TO GO VROOOOM. It's like when Piers decides that it's absolutely important to eat meat in front of vegans. It's not about penis size. It's just that smalldickenergy is a perfect explanation of why would someone decide to behave like this.",
">\n\nShe is 19. Maybe in a few years she will have more mature insults. It’s a lot of pressure to be put on someone so young to also say the perfect thing all the time",
">\n\nUnder nearly all circumstances, I agree with you.\nHowever, for a lot of people who have built a cult of personality around any given ideal, insults of the inoffensive type are completely commonplace. All they have to do is fend off one or two instances of this PG rated attacks, strawman them, call them snowflakes, and their following is bolstered and enhanced. Instead of having any negative effect, it becomes part of their inherent power.\nSometimes if you want to rattle a cult leader you have to hit with precision their most critical weakness and watch them implode. The fact that Tate is squirming so hard and doing everything he can to reclaim some of his dignity after Greta's clapback means that she has his number. Great isn't saying that having a small dick is bad, but knowing that Tate's entire personality is built about being an alpha male and that calling into question the size of his member will hurt him the most is what she was after. \nOf course, it wasn't classy and could be offensive to some. But as the saying goes, sometimes you have to fight fire with fire.",
">\n\nReally is he squirming? \nHe's rich he's popular and now he's gotten someone he disagrees with to repeat his ideology and platform spreading it to a wider audience. \nI'd argue he's happy for the attention and popularity that she's given to him now and enjoying the increased sales in his business as more men who feel marginalized and left out join him seeing this hypocrisy playing out. Not to mention all the political players( internationally) who were against climate action seeing all this and aligning themselves appropriately, possibly propping him up and making him something more than what he actually is- An ignorant troll. \nEngage with a troll and you only give them more power. The tweet was dumb and people should know better.\nEdit: spacing",
">\n\nI'm not commenting on whether or not his fans will like him more or if the controversy will inadvertently grant him a wider audience. \nI'm commenting that Greta knew exactly where and how to hit him the hardest. Yes, he is definitely squirming. He has scrambled out half a dozen prepubescent \"I know you are but what am I\" tweets. Then he went and made the absolute cringiest response video. He's incensed by being talked down to by Greta and is overcompensating. \nDid her tweet have any net positive effect on society? No. Did it ruffle Tate's feathers and make his blood boil? Yea. Would he have even cared if she called him a misogynistic prick? Absolutely not. He would have just told her to sit down and shut up, that misogyny is made up by inferior women blah blah blah...\nInstead, his insecurities are eating him alive.",
">\n\nWhy even respond and give him attention that he so desperately craves? And why body shame men in the process? \nIf she didn't have a better insult she could have just went on with her life instead of helping him grow. Using \"small dick energy\" as an insult means implicitly we agree that people with small penises are inferior and undesirable. That's basically what Tate is on about ( Toxic masculinity). And by laughing at her tweet we all reinforce that perception. Do you get that? \nSick of double standards and hypocrisy. At least people should have the courage to own up and acknowledge it then move on instead of doubling down and performing mental gymnastics to justify an obvious case of body shaming.\nI agree with you on one thing that the net effect on society because of this tweet exchange is negative and only serves the people who Greta and her followers hate.",
">\n\nI think you are missing what I am saying. I fully agree that it wasn't necessary nor was it the right thing for Greta to do. I also agree that it just gives him attention and was overall a useless venture other for the entertainment of Tate haters.\nOP asked why it is okay. I stated that it isn't okay but that I understand why Greta took that road rather than the suggested non-offensive approach. It is because he's immune to it. What he isn't immune to is his masculinity and ego being questioned. What is the point of the Wolf continuing to blow on the brick house? None. To get to the scared little piggies inside he needs a jackhammer. \nAnd it worked exactly how she planned it to. He was rattled and anyone who hates Tate is amused. \nNot saying it's the right thing to do, nor do I want anyone to feel ashamed of the size of their penis.",
">\n\nOk.. thanks for elaborating on that. I misunderstood your comment as a disagreement and engaged to try and change your mind but seems we share the same view.",
">\n\nYou do not know what Greta is \"fully aware\" of. She is referring to character and behaviour, why are you taking this personally? She isn't speaking to you, hasn't seen you, doesn't know you. I don't know why you are externalizing your issue like this and waving it around in public, is it our responsibility to fix this for you?\nShe was just making a tiny joke. Relax. smalldickenergy @ getalife .com is hilarious.",
">\n\nAside from everything else, it's men who started the 'big dick energy' idiocy so to then complain when someone uses their own stupidity against them...",
">\n\nYeah because men are a monolith and we all meet in a room and know each other smh.",
">\n\nThey’re saying it’s offensive to more than just Andrew Tate",
">\n\nYeah but again, ISN'T THE PURPOSE",
">\n\nWhat do you mean again? You didn’t say that before. And why does the purpose matter? You can do a bad thing without meaning to.",
">\n\nI meant to say isn't that the purpose lol mb",
">\n\nOh lol I probably should have realized that. But I think the point of the insult was to offend Andrew Tate.",
">\n\nFair. Trying to not say anything about him one way or another so I don't get downvoted to hell.",
">\n\nGreta lost that argument. She literally has like a hundred things Tate has said and done she could attack. Easy target... The one thing she chose to do is to body shame the man. It's just name calling. It's not a refutation of Tate. If anything it makes her sound stupid for her inability to come up with a refutation.",
">\n\nExactly. But people are just cheering her on and laughing along without grasping the nuance of the situation.",
">\n\nI think you are kinda missing the point. People know it offensive. The issue is that they don't care.",
">\n\nPeople used to make fun of small tits all the time. Remember the 90s? Remember the itty bitty titty committee? I don't know if that's a thing any more, but skinny women with no butts are definitely not seen as attractive. It's not fair. It's not their fault. People need to stop shaming themselves and eachother, and accept all bodies. Until then, \"small dick energy\" won't cease to be an insult. I guess the difference is people are sort of \"punching up\" since it's always been people with dicks who have the power in this world. I've never heard a dude say that another dude has \"small dick energy.\" It's always a woman saying that. Either way I think it's dumb but I get it. I've always thought \"Karen\" was a dumb insult too. Not someone's fault they were named Karen, LOL.",
">\n\nAndrew insulted her. He was asking for this insult. She was totally in the right. She wasn’t trying to shame anyone else. You’re asking for this insult too.",
">\n\nIsn't it more offensive for small pp folk, that there is a guy who base his entire existence on top of an argument that being an alpha, prime male is the most important thing in the world, and you need to be a testosterone bomb gorilla to have any kind of value. Isn't that argument disregards small dick guys in the first place?",
">\n\nAnd Greta just reinforced it with her reply. Do you see the problem now?\nEdit:replaced \"comment\" with \"reply\"",
">\n\nI believe I've already made a statement about what the problem is.",
">\n\nThen do you understand why Greta's reply is offensive and playing into Andrew Tate's hands?",
">\n\nLol this is twitter. There is no playing into each other's hands. Get outside.",
">\n\nOh look. Greta is human. Someone who spent a lot of her growing up time trying to educate people.\nIf she was in a bar and some doofus made a pass, she's just asserting herself. Age and context. Good on her.",
">\n\nIt is actually been studied. Men with small penises actually do have less energy- testosterone or something.",
">\n\nBeing offended by anything is each person's individual choice. If something is offensive to you, then simply choose to not be offended by it. It's truly that simple.",
">\n\nSo there is no such thing as hate speech?",
">\n\nNo, I didn't say that. Someone can certainly say something to someone that they hate with words that they feel will harm them mentally. That is \"hate speech\". The point I was trying to make is that we all as individuals have the choice to react to whatever someone says in whatever way we choose to react. If I feel offended by something that someone is saying, it is my choice to be offended by it.",
">\n\nI pretty much agree, but now we come to who decides. Does the person doing the talking decide whether it is hate speech? Or the person being talked at?",
">\n\nThere is no decision. The person who is talking thinks that what they are saying is not hateful, or they do. The person being talked at thinks that what the other person is saying is hateful, or they don't. The point is that it only matters if you make it matter to you. For example, if I say you are the dumbest person on earth, am I committing the crime of hate speech? Are you the dumbest person on earth? Probably not. But maybe I believe that you are. Does that make it true? If so, then it's not hate speech it's the truth...to me. If you, personally, believe that you are not the dumbest person on earth, then why would you concern yourself with what my dumbass has to say? To you, I'm the dumbest person on earth. I hope I'm getting my point across here.",
">\n\nSo we agree then? No laws regarding hate speech at all. You just ignore it and move on.",
">\n\nYes, sir.",
">\n\nYup",
">\n\nWhat if I say that I am offended that you are offended that you say \"small dick energy\" is offensive to men that are insecure about their size? Say I'm a man with a huge, massive dong. Say it's been a huge issue for me all my life. Let's say, hypothetically, that I am hugely insecure about the massive size of my dong and it's given me problems all my life. Every time I, hypothetically, go for a jog it's constantly flopping all over the place chaffing up my leg. Every time I have sex it's always this huge issue and only like half of the thing can go in before the receiver is like \"oh my god, stop, that's too much!\" Every time I receive oral sex, anything more than an inch beyond the tip causes a gag reflex. Does that sound exciting to you? Here you are bragging about your completely normal sized penis and all your normal sized penis sex and here this hypothetical person with a huge massive dong has all these issues. I can see how a hypothetical person with this debilitating issue would take offense that you take offense.",
">\n\nShe's an edgelord",
">\n\nreddit",
">\n\nSounds like a skill issue",
">\n\nDo you really get that offended? It's not like males themselves haven't sexualized females and their bodies and have said even worse and more common things about them? But we get offended over sum small? pun intended"
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Society? I don't see everyone (which represents society) doing it 😂 maybe you are focusing too much on negativity and that's all you see
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"Of course, saying \"small dick energy\" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.\n\"Loose pussy energy\" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.\nMaybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool",
">\n\nI think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.\nI think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming.",
">\n\nI totally agree.",
">\n\nSo you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up.",
">\n\nI never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults.",
">\n\nWhat does totally mean to you then?",
">\n\nOP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason.",
">\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\nAll insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd.",
">\n\n\nBut people do insult women based on their body all the time.\n\nSure but that doesn’t make it right. \n\nAll insults are immoral if you’re strict about it\n\nNot necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral.",
">\n\nWhat is \"valid\" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An \"insult\" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.\nCalling someone an \"asshole\" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And \"small dick energy\" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.\nIt's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it.",
">\n\nOh it is they just don't care there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet are usually very intolerant of that behavior",
">\n\nThe phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.\nA man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.\n“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). \nSo, in sum:\n\nSmall dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity \nLoose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut)",
">\n\nOn the contrary I think the phrase \"small dick energy\" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.\nEdit:grammar",
">\n\n\nmodern cultural bias in body shaming\n\nI don’t even know what this means.",
">\n\nModern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it.",
">\n\nShe wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality.",
">\n\nThe insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. \"Small dick energy\"",
">\n\nMen who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism.",
">\n\nYou don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. \nSo unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men.",
">\n\nAm I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent!",
">\n\nI'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. \nThis is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. \nSmall dick energy is a callused insult.",
">\n\nIt's like shooting yourself in the foot. What irritates me is people doubling down even after the fact being pointed out to them instead of just acknowledging the hypocrisy and trying to do better. Worst thing is this plays into what Tate is promoting and probably wins him more followers and influence smh.",
">\n\nHonestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV",
">\n\nPeople can make mistakes and this was one of them.. so we can all just criticize her reply fairly and move on. No need for acute mental gymnastics to defend her as this comments section is showing lmao.",
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">\n\nI don't think anyone is arguing it's not offensive. I'm pretty sure she was trying to offend insecure men. Apparently with great success.",
">\n\nShe was trying to offend men who were insecure about their body image?\nHow is that not body shaming?",
">\n\nIt is, but we playing the avoidance and rationalization game",
">\n\nbecause women invented \"small dick energy\"\nharsh, sad. but we go jim🗿",
">\n\nOP never mentioned women tho. Post is strictly about why it's offensive. Do you disagree that it's not offensive or you think it's a trivial matter to make fun of that men's mental health doesn't matter as much?",
">\n\nThe female equivalent is\n\"Loose Pussy Energy\".\nThe typical man-hate hypocrisy commonly going around is beyond obvious. And it is an attack on All men and boys not just some.",
">\n\nNot a disagreement per se, but also worth noting that it’s transphobic. Which is to say, it insults all men by reinforcing patriarchy and punching down to two groups of men.",
">\n\nShe said small dick energy. Not that he had a small dick (though, come on). She used that phrase BECAUSE it's Tate. She's not a moron.\nHe is, as evidenced by his life to this point and his two responses to Thunberg, which were epically pathetic, is a moron and didn't seem to get it, though he doesn't get a lot.",
">\n\nThis is worse than saying he has a small dick, because how would she know, and that would just be dismissed as stupid.\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\nI can't understand the mental gymnastics some people are doing to try and say this isn't body shaming.",
">\n\n\nWhat she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.\n\nI mean yeah -- kind of like how pussy is an insult denoting cowardice, cunt is an insult meaning basically, terrible, etc., \nShe used that on purpose. Are you making CMV every time you see someone calling someone else a pussy?",
">\n\nPussy is kind of already known to be a shitty gendered insult so it doesn't need a CMV. In this case, Greta's gendered \"having a small penis is bad\" tweet is massively amplified, reached r/all on a shitload of subs, etc. so some discussion about whether or not that is cool is warranted",
">\n\nSmall dick energy isn’t about having a small dick tho. It’s a reflection of an attitude that men who are offensive, aggressive, nasty to people are overcompensating for their insecurities. A small dick doesn’t mean you won’t be able to find a partner or that you’re any less of a man. Being a downright trash bag of a human to others, like in this instance where an internet edgelord is cyber bullying a teenager on the internet who is fighting for the survival of our planet/humanity is an example of this trash behavior, is more of a determining factor. \nYou can also have a small dick but have big dick energy, as it’s reflective of who you are as a person. It’s an attitude. It’s who you choose to be to yourself and others. Hell, there’s women who use the term that they have big dick energy and I can tell you those women’s dicks are none existent so therefore size isn’t a thing. \nNo one should be made fun of for something they had no control over. The worth of a man is not tied to the size of his penis. Although, toxic masculinity and shallow people will tell you different. They say the same for disabled people, fat people etc. There’s plenty of people who are not “conventional standards of beauty” which is the majority of us, that lead happy, healthy relationships. Those relationships start with yourself and understanding your worth as a person isn’t tied to what you look like or how big your junk is. \nThe point is if you choose to be a trash person like Tate, where your self worth is tied into how cruel/offensive you can be to other people, don’t be mad if people call you out for that trashy attitude. Your post definitely reeks of “men are the true victims” when clearly you didn’t seem to have a problem with a grown man cyber bullying a teenager.",
">\n\nI like how you imply that OP is a fan of a literal human trafficker because they point out that a body-shaming insult is body-shaming. Do you understand why associating a trait of someone's body with negative personality traits is bad?",
">\n\nNo because people like this always have exceptions that allow them to use the things they complain about. Cognitive gymnastics allows them to recognise shaming women and people of colour is bad, because society will eat them otherwise, but when someone shows up who deserves a bit of a roasting all of their social etiquette rules go out the window and the excuses come out as to why in this context it doesn't count.\n\"Ahh no, here it is a reflection of an attitude\" blah blah 3 paragraphs later and we've clouded over the simple fact that body shaming is body shaming and harms people you weren't intending to insult.",
">\n\nPeople like this? You’re assuming things about me because I am a character in your mind not a real person. I am not a monolith. We should not be body shaming people. I am explaining the other side of this issue and why people use these terms. You never asked if I use these same terms in my life. You assumed I do. I don’t. You didn’t even bother to read my response because if you did you would have realized this.",
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">\n\nYou can have smol pp but big pp energy and vice versa",
">\n\nSo why is the phrase small dick energy if it has nothing to do with having a small dick?",
">\n\nIdk man, I just work here.",
">\n\nYou know why. Lol cause small dick is associated with bad. And by insulting dicks you use this knowledge to offend, at the cost of body shaming people. \nStop feigning dumb just to avoid the reasoning lol",
">\n\nI can see how it would be offensive, and I wouldn’t use it myself. I feel like the phrase refers more to how someone acts as opposed to how they are endowed. And how it’s behavior and actions that make people think down of you not your penis.",
">\n\nPoint is that we, as a society, should encourage better insults that attack the comments of the person without necessarily having to equate it to something someone with a small dick.",
">\n\nWould you agree with me, that if Andrew clapped back with one of those that the internet would be up in arms about it?",
">\n\nYou mean the way that you are, here, on the internet, up in arms?",
">\n\nIm one person on reddit, theres no major backlash like there would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\nSee, what's happening here is that you are also looking at people who are \"one person on Reddit\" and pretending it's a major backlash. Andrew Tate says fucked up things about women all the time (in fact, it's kind of his whole schtick) and it's as much of a non-event as this is.",
">\n\nPlease link me to something fucked up hes said about women, and ill agree with you, two wrongs don't make a right.",
">\n\nHere's exhibit A.",
">\n\nSure I agree with you he has said fucked up stuff about women, it doesn't mean its okay to make a joke about small dick energy.\nDo you understand my point?",
">\n\nWe understand, it's just that your point is fucking stupid",
">\n\nYou have no idea what his point is, it's funny that people on this thread OP and others actually like Andrew Tate.\nIt proves that everyone is completely frothingly tribalistic with zero nuance.",
">\n\nIf someone is behaving insufferably, people are going to laugh at them for things that they wouldn’t find funny if it happened to someone they liked.\nFor example, is it funny when people go bankrupt? No. Would it be funny if someone like Andrew Tate went bankrupt after boasting about Bugattis and all of his mass wealth? Yes. This doesn’t mean people who would make fun of him for that are making fun of poverty or all people who lose their livelihoods, it would just be funny if it happened to that particular person. \nIn the same way, the idea that Tate does all the douchey, over the top macho things that he does in order to compensate for having a small penis is funny, whilst it not being funny to make fun of every person who has a small penis.",
">\n\nSubstitute fat. Is that ok?",
">\n\nDepends on what the fat person is doing. If the person is minding their own business then no, if the fat person is attacking other people’s appearances then yeah go for it.",
">\n\nInteresting take. Might want to play with that a bit. A lot of situations where your reasoning falls apart.",
">\n\nPeople insulted Trump for being fat when he tried to say he was like the most fit person ever. People make fun of Elon Musk's body. You can make the same type of insult to two different people and it come off two different ways. \nWhen you make your identity or argument around something it opens up certain insults and comebacks. \nTate's whole thing is trying to act like this \"alpha male\" when in reality he's a sex trafficking weirdo who pays women to hang out with him. It's totally fine to insult him with a childish insult. \nI also find that people worried or mad about this don't actually care about body image issues. They just want a gotcha moment for people. Because many would have shitty takes about fat people or whine about pc culture.",
">\n\nWhen you call some MF that doesn't necessarily mean you are a MF... I'm not saying it's okay to say abusing words but we still do use them.\nI don't think she said it in literal terms, it was completely literary. Also she only said it cause it was Tate who she said it to. Also if a woman has small tits and someone said to someone else that they have small tits energy, I don't think one who actually has small tits would mind it, cause she is not involved and it's kinda perfect way of irritating Tate.. cause he really cares about these things. \nWhen it comes to increasing the insecurity of someone who actually has small D and is insecure about it... She couldn't think so far cause all she wanted was to irritate Tate and she was successful",
">\n\nI don't think it even irritated him if that was her goal but definitely helped him with popularity. It just proves what he says people think of insecure men, it just moves them to him and he gains more influence. It was an ignorant reply in poor taste. Someone with much following and influence as Greta shouldn't be as irresponsible and the followers shouldn't be having to do mental gymnastics to defend her instead of seeing it as it is: body shaming against men.",
">\n\nIs this some kind of weird meta-game? Are Andrew Tate fans pretending to actually be offended by this stupid insult to prove a point? Does anybody actually think her retort was any sharper than a brick wrapped in a wet blanket?\nWhat is going on here?!",
">\n\n\nWhat is going on here?!\n\nAndrew Tate fans have a lot of small dick energy. That's whats going on.",
">\n\nWhy are people not allowed dislike tate (he's an absolute idiot and a grifter) and also to criticize obvious body shaming from a supposed progressive? If Biden started talking about \"N*gger energy\" criticizing Kanye for antisemitism, would that be ok in your eyes? Would you say that a black guy who doesn't like that must be an angry Kanye fan? Or is it disgustingly offensive towards all African Americans to use that type of language no matter what?",
">\n\nBecause it suits their narrative to frame it as if people are just defending tate. It's easier than just actually defending body shaming. Done deal.",
">\n\nI think Greta used that phrase not because she actually believes or wants to promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior, but because people like Andrew Tate believe and promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior. If Andrew Tate gets hurt because Greta says he has small dick energy, then maybe -- just maybe, with the tiniest bit of introspection -- he'll come to realize how hateful some of his language is.\nBullies like Andrew Tate don't really respond to logic or pleas for sympathy. The only way to maybe make them understand the hurt they cause is to inflict it on them, because they don't care about anyone but themselves. \nSo instead of putting the cart before the horse and blaming Greta for using an offensive phrase as an argumentative tactic, maybe blame the people who use the phrase to actually demean people.",
">\n\nCan we substitute fat instead and be justified?",
">\n\nYes people did that with Trump when he claimed to be the fittest person ever basically. If someone has a habit of insulting people a certain way or making certain claims then they open themselves up to specific insults. \nSometimes we'd find those insults not tasteful if said to other people. But I feel like most people equating this to fat insults don't actually care about fat people. A lot of people would also be like oh things are getting too pc or soft or woke when it comes to body positivity towards fat people. So for me it's hard to buy this line of reasoning as being truly valid or caring.",
">\n\nNo one said it has to be authentic caring. This sub is for exploring the intellectual arguments. Your perception of how authentic someone’s feelings towards fat people is basically irrelevant. Argue the point or don’t. Passing your authenticity test is a wierd standard to try to argue for.",
">\n\nSorry, u/AlternativeFukts – your comment has been removed for breaking Rule 5: \n\nComments must contribute meaningfully to the conversation. \n\nComments should be on-topic, serious, and contain enough content to move the discussion forward. Jokes, contradictions without explanation, links without context, off-topic comments, and \"written upvotes\" will be removed. Read the wiki for more information. \nIf you would like to appeal, review our appeals process here, then message the moderators by clicking this link within one week of this notice being posted.",
">\n\nYes, making insults is offensive. That's the point.\nInsults that reference a body part are also offensive to people who are insecure about that body part. That's also kinda obvious.\nWhat do you want your mind changed about here? I'm unclear about what you think can be discussed about an insult meant to be insulting. Are you arguing that this insult is especially wrong in some way?\nHow is this not just you soapboxing?",
">\n\nThere's a reason as a society we don't use insults like \"retard\". This is in the same vein. You're attributing a negative thing with a man having a small penis. This is harmful as it perpetuates the stigma surrounding penis size which is outside ones control. Essentially it degrades a group of people who have nothing to do with it. OP wants to know whether or not this is reconciled. Reading the comments... It has not been. \nMaking gendered insults doesn't bother me truthfully but I can understand the frustration OP is expressing because were it to be a man making some edgy reference to a woman's lady parts being inadequate as a way to demean them then everyone would be outraged as opposed to cheering it on.",
">\n\nUsing “small dick” as an insult, or “loose pussy” isn’t really offensive unless you are insecure about the physical viability of your reproductive organs. \nBut, that doesn’t make it funny. It’s a really juvenile and uncreative way of ridiculing someone.",
">\n\nInsecure women are offended when they're fat shamed.\nIt's still body shaming.\nIt's still wrong.",
">\n\nSorry, u/SamGropler – your comment has been removed for breaking Rule 5: \n\nComments must contribute meaningfully to the conversation. \n\nComments should be on-topic, serious, and contain enough content to move the discussion forward. Jokes, contradictions without explanation, links without context, off-topic comments, and \"written upvotes\" will be removed. Read the wiki for more information. \nIf you would like to appeal, review our appeals process here, then message the moderators by clicking this link within one week of this notice being posted.",
">\n\nGuy randomly decides to flex on her by saying I HAVE CARS AND I LIKE TO GO VROOOOM. It's like when Piers decides that it's absolutely important to eat meat in front of vegans. It's not about penis size. It's just that smalldickenergy is a perfect explanation of why would someone decide to behave like this.",
">\n\nShe is 19. Maybe in a few years she will have more mature insults. It’s a lot of pressure to be put on someone so young to also say the perfect thing all the time",
">\n\nUnder nearly all circumstances, I agree with you.\nHowever, for a lot of people who have built a cult of personality around any given ideal, insults of the inoffensive type are completely commonplace. All they have to do is fend off one or two instances of this PG rated attacks, strawman them, call them snowflakes, and their following is bolstered and enhanced. Instead of having any negative effect, it becomes part of their inherent power.\nSometimes if you want to rattle a cult leader you have to hit with precision their most critical weakness and watch them implode. The fact that Tate is squirming so hard and doing everything he can to reclaim some of his dignity after Greta's clapback means that she has his number. Great isn't saying that having a small dick is bad, but knowing that Tate's entire personality is built about being an alpha male and that calling into question the size of his member will hurt him the most is what she was after. \nOf course, it wasn't classy and could be offensive to some. But as the saying goes, sometimes you have to fight fire with fire.",
">\n\nReally is he squirming? \nHe's rich he's popular and now he's gotten someone he disagrees with to repeat his ideology and platform spreading it to a wider audience. \nI'd argue he's happy for the attention and popularity that she's given to him now and enjoying the increased sales in his business as more men who feel marginalized and left out join him seeing this hypocrisy playing out. Not to mention all the political players( internationally) who were against climate action seeing all this and aligning themselves appropriately, possibly propping him up and making him something more than what he actually is- An ignorant troll. \nEngage with a troll and you only give them more power. The tweet was dumb and people should know better.\nEdit: spacing",
">\n\nI'm not commenting on whether or not his fans will like him more or if the controversy will inadvertently grant him a wider audience. \nI'm commenting that Greta knew exactly where and how to hit him the hardest. Yes, he is definitely squirming. He has scrambled out half a dozen prepubescent \"I know you are but what am I\" tweets. Then he went and made the absolute cringiest response video. He's incensed by being talked down to by Greta and is overcompensating. \nDid her tweet have any net positive effect on society? No. Did it ruffle Tate's feathers and make his blood boil? Yea. Would he have even cared if she called him a misogynistic prick? Absolutely not. He would have just told her to sit down and shut up, that misogyny is made up by inferior women blah blah blah...\nInstead, his insecurities are eating him alive.",
">\n\nWhy even respond and give him attention that he so desperately craves? And why body shame men in the process? \nIf she didn't have a better insult she could have just went on with her life instead of helping him grow. Using \"small dick energy\" as an insult means implicitly we agree that people with small penises are inferior and undesirable. That's basically what Tate is on about ( Toxic masculinity). And by laughing at her tweet we all reinforce that perception. Do you get that? \nSick of double standards and hypocrisy. At least people should have the courage to own up and acknowledge it then move on instead of doubling down and performing mental gymnastics to justify an obvious case of body shaming.\nI agree with you on one thing that the net effect on society because of this tweet exchange is negative and only serves the people who Greta and her followers hate.",
">\n\nI think you are missing what I am saying. I fully agree that it wasn't necessary nor was it the right thing for Greta to do. I also agree that it just gives him attention and was overall a useless venture other for the entertainment of Tate haters.\nOP asked why it is okay. I stated that it isn't okay but that I understand why Greta took that road rather than the suggested non-offensive approach. It is because he's immune to it. What he isn't immune to is his masculinity and ego being questioned. What is the point of the Wolf continuing to blow on the brick house? None. To get to the scared little piggies inside he needs a jackhammer. \nAnd it worked exactly how she planned it to. He was rattled and anyone who hates Tate is amused. \nNot saying it's the right thing to do, nor do I want anyone to feel ashamed of the size of their penis.",
">\n\nOk.. thanks for elaborating on that. I misunderstood your comment as a disagreement and engaged to try and change your mind but seems we share the same view.",
">\n\nYou do not know what Greta is \"fully aware\" of. She is referring to character and behaviour, why are you taking this personally? She isn't speaking to you, hasn't seen you, doesn't know you. I don't know why you are externalizing your issue like this and waving it around in public, is it our responsibility to fix this for you?\nShe was just making a tiny joke. Relax. smalldickenergy @ getalife .com is hilarious.",
">\n\nAside from everything else, it's men who started the 'big dick energy' idiocy so to then complain when someone uses their own stupidity against them...",
">\n\nYeah because men are a monolith and we all meet in a room and know each other smh.",
">\n\nThey’re saying it’s offensive to more than just Andrew Tate",
">\n\nYeah but again, ISN'T THE PURPOSE",
">\n\nWhat do you mean again? You didn’t say that before. And why does the purpose matter? You can do a bad thing without meaning to.",
">\n\nI meant to say isn't that the purpose lol mb",
">\n\nOh lol I probably should have realized that. But I think the point of the insult was to offend Andrew Tate.",
">\n\nFair. Trying to not say anything about him one way or another so I don't get downvoted to hell.",
">\n\nGreta lost that argument. She literally has like a hundred things Tate has said and done she could attack. Easy target... The one thing she chose to do is to body shame the man. It's just name calling. It's not a refutation of Tate. If anything it makes her sound stupid for her inability to come up with a refutation.",
">\n\nExactly. But people are just cheering her on and laughing along without grasping the nuance of the situation.",
">\n\nI think you are kinda missing the point. People know it offensive. The issue is that they don't care.",
">\n\nPeople used to make fun of small tits all the time. Remember the 90s? Remember the itty bitty titty committee? I don't know if that's a thing any more, but skinny women with no butts are definitely not seen as attractive. It's not fair. It's not their fault. People need to stop shaming themselves and eachother, and accept all bodies. Until then, \"small dick energy\" won't cease to be an insult. I guess the difference is people are sort of \"punching up\" since it's always been people with dicks who have the power in this world. I've never heard a dude say that another dude has \"small dick energy.\" It's always a woman saying that. Either way I think it's dumb but I get it. I've always thought \"Karen\" was a dumb insult too. Not someone's fault they were named Karen, LOL.",
">\n\nAndrew insulted her. He was asking for this insult. She was totally in the right. She wasn’t trying to shame anyone else. You’re asking for this insult too.",
">\n\nIsn't it more offensive for small pp folk, that there is a guy who base his entire existence on top of an argument that being an alpha, prime male is the most important thing in the world, and you need to be a testosterone bomb gorilla to have any kind of value. Isn't that argument disregards small dick guys in the first place?",
">\n\nAnd Greta just reinforced it with her reply. Do you see the problem now?\nEdit:replaced \"comment\" with \"reply\"",
">\n\nI believe I've already made a statement about what the problem is.",
">\n\nThen do you understand why Greta's reply is offensive and playing into Andrew Tate's hands?",
">\n\nLol this is twitter. There is no playing into each other's hands. Get outside.",
">\n\nOh look. Greta is human. Someone who spent a lot of her growing up time trying to educate people.\nIf she was in a bar and some doofus made a pass, she's just asserting herself. Age and context. Good on her.",
">\n\nIt is actually been studied. Men with small penises actually do have less energy- testosterone or something.",
">\n\nBeing offended by anything is each person's individual choice. If something is offensive to you, then simply choose to not be offended by it. It's truly that simple.",
">\n\nSo there is no such thing as hate speech?",
">\n\nNo, I didn't say that. Someone can certainly say something to someone that they hate with words that they feel will harm them mentally. That is \"hate speech\". The point I was trying to make is that we all as individuals have the choice to react to whatever someone says in whatever way we choose to react. If I feel offended by something that someone is saying, it is my choice to be offended by it.",
">\n\nI pretty much agree, but now we come to who decides. Does the person doing the talking decide whether it is hate speech? Or the person being talked at?",
">\n\nThere is no decision. The person who is talking thinks that what they are saying is not hateful, or they do. The person being talked at thinks that what the other person is saying is hateful, or they don't. The point is that it only matters if you make it matter to you. For example, if I say you are the dumbest person on earth, am I committing the crime of hate speech? Are you the dumbest person on earth? Probably not. But maybe I believe that you are. Does that make it true? If so, then it's not hate speech it's the truth...to me. If you, personally, believe that you are not the dumbest person on earth, then why would you concern yourself with what my dumbass has to say? To you, I'm the dumbest person on earth. I hope I'm getting my point across here.",
">\n\nSo we agree then? No laws regarding hate speech at all. You just ignore it and move on.",
">\n\nYes, sir.",
">\n\nYup",
">\n\nWhat if I say that I am offended that you are offended that you say \"small dick energy\" is offensive to men that are insecure about their size? Say I'm a man with a huge, massive dong. Say it's been a huge issue for me all my life. Let's say, hypothetically, that I am hugely insecure about the massive size of my dong and it's given me problems all my life. Every time I, hypothetically, go for a jog it's constantly flopping all over the place chaffing up my leg. Every time I have sex it's always this huge issue and only like half of the thing can go in before the receiver is like \"oh my god, stop, that's too much!\" Every time I receive oral sex, anything more than an inch beyond the tip causes a gag reflex. Does that sound exciting to you? Here you are bragging about your completely normal sized penis and all your normal sized penis sex and here this hypothetical person with a huge massive dong has all these issues. I can see how a hypothetical person with this debilitating issue would take offense that you take offense.",
">\n\nShe's an edgelord",
">\n\nreddit",
">\n\nSounds like a skill issue",
">\n\nDo you really get that offended? It's not like males themselves haven't sexualized females and their bodies and have said even worse and more common things about them? But we get offended over sum small? pun intended",
">\n\n“Some males have sexualized females therefore it’s fine for society to make fun of penis size.”"
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