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The military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.
It is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.
The right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, "both sides are the same" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning "moderates" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.
In the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.
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"This is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation."
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..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this)
Don’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.
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"This is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective."
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Thats a completely different situation..?
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"This is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned."
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Why do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.
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"This is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?"
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The military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.
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"This is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro."
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You do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.
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"This is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference."
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To be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing
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"This is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button."
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Brazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!
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"This is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing"
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Honestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him
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"This is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!"
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I saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.
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"This is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him"
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I think it will play out similarly:
His supporters are genuinely furious he lost.
They're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.
Brazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.
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[
"This is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom."
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I'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.
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[
"This is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over."
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Our minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.
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[
"This is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies."
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Friendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.
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[
"This is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards."
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This isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.
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[
"This is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election."
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Neither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days
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[
"This is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place."
] |
>
I would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.
|
[
"This is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days"
] |
>
Just kind reminder dear US citzens: "STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!"
Sincerely,
A brazilian.
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[
"This is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US."
] |
>
Round 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.
WWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.
|
[
"This is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian."
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>
the "security barriers" were like the ones in the capitol...
so, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy
|
[
"This is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right."
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>
Well it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.
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[
"This is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy"
] |
>
No, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?
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[
"This is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration."
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Bro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?
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[
"This is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?"
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Read the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.
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[
"This is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?"
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I did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?
I assume you mean "The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin"
Don't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are "against corruption" in Latin America is just what they alway say
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[
"This is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this."
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Yea and the US says they're fighting corruption when they install right wingers. The fact that the Biden admin recognizes guaido in Venezuela proves that democrats also work to undemocratically install right wingers in Latin America.
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[
"This is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.",
">\n\nI did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?\nI assume you mean \"The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin\"\nDon't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are \"against corruption\" in Latin America is just what they alway say"
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Bro, stop thinking in terms of political parties. The US is pro maintaing global financial hegemony, and that's it. There is no Democrats or Republucans when it comes to foreign policy (except some weird putin dick sucking on the republican side and the fact the Democrats have a few humans who recognise palastine). The rest is just US foreign policy, you are clearly way to partisan and you need to touch some grass. Remember everyone in power hates you and me. They are not your friend. And your weird obsession with ThE DeMs is hilarious
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[
"This is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.",
">\n\nI did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?\nI assume you mean \"The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin\"\nDon't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are \"against corruption\" in Latin America is just what they alway say",
">\n\nYea and the US says they're fighting corruption when they install right wingers. The fact that the Biden admin recognizes guaido in Venezuela proves that democrats also work to undemocratically install right wingers in Latin America."
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What are you even arguing about lol? I'm saying dems support right wing dictators which you seem to agree with. So what's your point?
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"This is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.",
">\n\nI did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?\nI assume you mean \"The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin\"\nDon't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are \"against corruption\" in Latin America is just what they alway say",
">\n\nYea and the US says they're fighting corruption when they install right wingers. The fact that the Biden admin recognizes guaido in Venezuela proves that democrats also work to undemocratically install right wingers in Latin America.",
">\n\nBro, stop thinking in terms of political parties. The US is pro maintaing global financial hegemony, and that's it. There is no Democrats or Republucans when it comes to foreign policy (except some weird putin dick sucking on the republican side and the fact the Democrats have a few humans who recognise palastine). The rest is just US foreign policy, you are clearly way to partisan and you need to touch some grass. Remember everyone in power hates you and me. They are not your friend. And your weird obsession with ThE DeMs is hilarious"
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That the article you posted doesn't say what you think does?
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[
"This is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.",
">\n\nI did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?\nI assume you mean \"The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin\"\nDon't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are \"against corruption\" in Latin America is just what they alway say",
">\n\nYea and the US says they're fighting corruption when they install right wingers. The fact that the Biden admin recognizes guaido in Venezuela proves that democrats also work to undemocratically install right wingers in Latin America.",
">\n\nBro, stop thinking in terms of political parties. The US is pro maintaing global financial hegemony, and that's it. There is no Democrats or Republucans when it comes to foreign policy (except some weird putin dick sucking on the republican side and the fact the Democrats have a few humans who recognise palastine). The rest is just US foreign policy, you are clearly way to partisan and you need to touch some grass. Remember everyone in power hates you and me. They are not your friend. And your weird obsession with ThE DeMs is hilarious",
">\n\nWhat are you even arguing about lol? I'm saying dems support right wing dictators which you seem to agree with. So what's your point?"
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In Brazil? It ends with Bolsonaro back in power and decades of authoritarian rule.
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[
"This is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.",
">\n\nI did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?\nI assume you mean \"The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin\"\nDon't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are \"against corruption\" in Latin America is just what they alway say",
">\n\nYea and the US says they're fighting corruption when they install right wingers. The fact that the Biden admin recognizes guaido in Venezuela proves that democrats also work to undemocratically install right wingers in Latin America.",
">\n\nBro, stop thinking in terms of political parties. The US is pro maintaing global financial hegemony, and that's it. There is no Democrats or Republucans when it comes to foreign policy (except some weird putin dick sucking on the republican side and the fact the Democrats have a few humans who recognise palastine). The rest is just US foreign policy, you are clearly way to partisan and you need to touch some grass. Remember everyone in power hates you and me. They are not your friend. And your weird obsession with ThE DeMs is hilarious",
">\n\nWhat are you even arguing about lol? I'm saying dems support right wing dictators which you seem to agree with. So what's your point?",
">\n\nThat the article you posted doesn't say what you think does?"
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Stop posting misinformation. Maybe the conspiracy sub will fit you better?
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[
"This is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.",
">\n\nI did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?\nI assume you mean \"The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin\"\nDon't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are \"against corruption\" in Latin America is just what they alway say",
">\n\nYea and the US says they're fighting corruption when they install right wingers. The fact that the Biden admin recognizes guaido in Venezuela proves that democrats also work to undemocratically install right wingers in Latin America.",
">\n\nBro, stop thinking in terms of political parties. The US is pro maintaing global financial hegemony, and that's it. There is no Democrats or Republucans when it comes to foreign policy (except some weird putin dick sucking on the republican side and the fact the Democrats have a few humans who recognise palastine). The rest is just US foreign policy, you are clearly way to partisan and you need to touch some grass. Remember everyone in power hates you and me. They are not your friend. And your weird obsession with ThE DeMs is hilarious",
">\n\nWhat are you even arguing about lol? I'm saying dems support right wing dictators which you seem to agree with. So what's your point?",
">\n\nThat the article you posted doesn't say what you think does?",
">\n\nIn Brazil? It ends with Bolsonaro back in power and decades of authoritarian rule."
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January 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.
Bolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.
This isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.
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"This is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.",
">\n\nI did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?\nI assume you mean \"The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin\"\nDon't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are \"against corruption\" in Latin America is just what they alway say",
">\n\nYea and the US says they're fighting corruption when they install right wingers. The fact that the Biden admin recognizes guaido in Venezuela proves that democrats also work to undemocratically install right wingers in Latin America.",
">\n\nBro, stop thinking in terms of political parties. The US is pro maintaing global financial hegemony, and that's it. There is no Democrats or Republucans when it comes to foreign policy (except some weird putin dick sucking on the republican side and the fact the Democrats have a few humans who recognise palastine). The rest is just US foreign policy, you are clearly way to partisan and you need to touch some grass. Remember everyone in power hates you and me. They are not your friend. And your weird obsession with ThE DeMs is hilarious",
">\n\nWhat are you even arguing about lol? I'm saying dems support right wing dictators which you seem to agree with. So what's your point?",
">\n\nThat the article you posted doesn't say what you think does?",
">\n\nIn Brazil? It ends with Bolsonaro back in power and decades of authoritarian rule.",
">\n\nStop posting misinformation. Maybe the conspiracy sub will fit you better?"
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“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.
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"This is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.",
">\n\nI did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?\nI assume you mean \"The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin\"\nDon't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are \"against corruption\" in Latin America is just what they alway say",
">\n\nYea and the US says they're fighting corruption when they install right wingers. The fact that the Biden admin recognizes guaido in Venezuela proves that democrats also work to undemocratically install right wingers in Latin America.",
">\n\nBro, stop thinking in terms of political parties. The US is pro maintaing global financial hegemony, and that's it. There is no Democrats or Republucans when it comes to foreign policy (except some weird putin dick sucking on the republican side and the fact the Democrats have a few humans who recognise palastine). The rest is just US foreign policy, you are clearly way to partisan and you need to touch some grass. Remember everyone in power hates you and me. They are not your friend. And your weird obsession with ThE DeMs is hilarious",
">\n\nWhat are you even arguing about lol? I'm saying dems support right wing dictators which you seem to agree with. So what's your point?",
">\n\nThat the article you posted doesn't say what you think does?",
">\n\nIn Brazil? It ends with Bolsonaro back in power and decades of authoritarian rule.",
">\n\nStop posting misinformation. Maybe the conspiracy sub will fit you better?",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event."
] |
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You do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?
It's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.
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[
"This is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.",
">\n\nI did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?\nI assume you mean \"The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin\"\nDon't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are \"against corruption\" in Latin America is just what they alway say",
">\n\nYea and the US says they're fighting corruption when they install right wingers. The fact that the Biden admin recognizes guaido in Venezuela proves that democrats also work to undemocratically install right wingers in Latin America.",
">\n\nBro, stop thinking in terms of political parties. The US is pro maintaing global financial hegemony, and that's it. There is no Democrats or Republucans when it comes to foreign policy (except some weird putin dick sucking on the republican side and the fact the Democrats have a few humans who recognise palastine). The rest is just US foreign policy, you are clearly way to partisan and you need to touch some grass. Remember everyone in power hates you and me. They are not your friend. And your weird obsession with ThE DeMs is hilarious",
">\n\nWhat are you even arguing about lol? I'm saying dems support right wing dictators which you seem to agree with. So what's your point?",
">\n\nThat the article you posted doesn't say what you think does?",
">\n\nIn Brazil? It ends with Bolsonaro back in power and decades of authoritarian rule.",
">\n\nStop posting misinformation. Maybe the conspiracy sub will fit you better?",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too."
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Yeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.
Edit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.
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"This is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.",
">\n\nI did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?\nI assume you mean \"The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin\"\nDon't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are \"against corruption\" in Latin America is just what they alway say",
">\n\nYea and the US says they're fighting corruption when they install right wingers. The fact that the Biden admin recognizes guaido in Venezuela proves that democrats also work to undemocratically install right wingers in Latin America.",
">\n\nBro, stop thinking in terms of political parties. The US is pro maintaing global financial hegemony, and that's it. There is no Democrats or Republucans when it comes to foreign policy (except some weird putin dick sucking on the republican side and the fact the Democrats have a few humans who recognise palastine). The rest is just US foreign policy, you are clearly way to partisan and you need to touch some grass. Remember everyone in power hates you and me. They are not your friend. And your weird obsession with ThE DeMs is hilarious",
">\n\nWhat are you even arguing about lol? I'm saying dems support right wing dictators which you seem to agree with. So what's your point?",
">\n\nThat the article you posted doesn't say what you think does?",
">\n\nIn Brazil? It ends with Bolsonaro back in power and decades of authoritarian rule.",
">\n\nStop posting misinformation. Maybe the conspiracy sub will fit you better?",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once."
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This is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.
But Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.
Now, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers.
This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.
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"This is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.",
">\n\nI did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?\nI assume you mean \"The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin\"\nDon't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are \"against corruption\" in Latin America is just what they alway say",
">\n\nYea and the US says they're fighting corruption when they install right wingers. The fact that the Biden admin recognizes guaido in Venezuela proves that democrats also work to undemocratically install right wingers in Latin America.",
">\n\nBro, stop thinking in terms of political parties. The US is pro maintaing global financial hegemony, and that's it. There is no Democrats or Republucans when it comes to foreign policy (except some weird putin dick sucking on the republican side and the fact the Democrats have a few humans who recognise palastine). The rest is just US foreign policy, you are clearly way to partisan and you need to touch some grass. Remember everyone in power hates you and me. They are not your friend. And your weird obsession with ThE DeMs is hilarious",
">\n\nWhat are you even arguing about lol? I'm saying dems support right wing dictators which you seem to agree with. So what's your point?",
">\n\nThat the article you posted doesn't say what you think does?",
">\n\nIn Brazil? It ends with Bolsonaro back in power and decades of authoritarian rule.",
">\n\nStop posting misinformation. Maybe the conspiracy sub will fit you better?",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things."
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The game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.
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"This is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.",
">\n\nI did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?\nI assume you mean \"The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin\"\nDon't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are \"against corruption\" in Latin America is just what they alway say",
">\n\nYea and the US says they're fighting corruption when they install right wingers. The fact that the Biden admin recognizes guaido in Venezuela proves that democrats also work to undemocratically install right wingers in Latin America.",
">\n\nBro, stop thinking in terms of political parties. The US is pro maintaing global financial hegemony, and that's it. There is no Democrats or Republucans when it comes to foreign policy (except some weird putin dick sucking on the republican side and the fact the Democrats have a few humans who recognise palastine). The rest is just US foreign policy, you are clearly way to partisan and you need to touch some grass. Remember everyone in power hates you and me. They are not your friend. And your weird obsession with ThE DeMs is hilarious",
">\n\nWhat are you even arguing about lol? I'm saying dems support right wing dictators which you seem to agree with. So what's your point?",
">\n\nThat the article you posted doesn't say what you think does?",
">\n\nIn Brazil? It ends with Bolsonaro back in power and decades of authoritarian rule.",
">\n\nStop posting misinformation. Maybe the conspiracy sub will fit you better?",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.",
">\n\nThis is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures."
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The military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.
It is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.
The right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, "both sides are the same" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning "moderates" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.
In the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.
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"This is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.",
">\n\nI did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?\nI assume you mean \"The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin\"\nDon't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are \"against corruption\" in Latin America is just what they alway say",
">\n\nYea and the US says they're fighting corruption when they install right wingers. The fact that the Biden admin recognizes guaido in Venezuela proves that democrats also work to undemocratically install right wingers in Latin America.",
">\n\nBro, stop thinking in terms of political parties. The US is pro maintaing global financial hegemony, and that's it. There is no Democrats or Republucans when it comes to foreign policy (except some weird putin dick sucking on the republican side and the fact the Democrats have a few humans who recognise palastine). The rest is just US foreign policy, you are clearly way to partisan and you need to touch some grass. Remember everyone in power hates you and me. They are not your friend. And your weird obsession with ThE DeMs is hilarious",
">\n\nWhat are you even arguing about lol? I'm saying dems support right wing dictators which you seem to agree with. So what's your point?",
">\n\nThat the article you posted doesn't say what you think does?",
">\n\nIn Brazil? It ends with Bolsonaro back in power and decades of authoritarian rule.",
">\n\nStop posting misinformation. Maybe the conspiracy sub will fit you better?",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.",
">\n\nThis is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation."
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..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this)
Don’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.
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"This is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.",
">\n\nI did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?\nI assume you mean \"The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin\"\nDon't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are \"against corruption\" in Latin America is just what they alway say",
">\n\nYea and the US says they're fighting corruption when they install right wingers. The fact that the Biden admin recognizes guaido in Venezuela proves that democrats also work to undemocratically install right wingers in Latin America.",
">\n\nBro, stop thinking in terms of political parties. The US is pro maintaing global financial hegemony, and that's it. There is no Democrats or Republucans when it comes to foreign policy (except some weird putin dick sucking on the republican side and the fact the Democrats have a few humans who recognise palastine). The rest is just US foreign policy, you are clearly way to partisan and you need to touch some grass. Remember everyone in power hates you and me. They are not your friend. And your weird obsession with ThE DeMs is hilarious",
">\n\nWhat are you even arguing about lol? I'm saying dems support right wing dictators which you seem to agree with. So what's your point?",
">\n\nThat the article you posted doesn't say what you think does?",
">\n\nIn Brazil? It ends with Bolsonaro back in power and decades of authoritarian rule.",
">\n\nStop posting misinformation. Maybe the conspiracy sub will fit you better?",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.",
">\n\nThis is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective."
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Thats a completely different situation..?
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"This is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.",
">\n\nI did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?\nI assume you mean \"The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin\"\nDon't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are \"against corruption\" in Latin America is just what they alway say",
">\n\nYea and the US says they're fighting corruption when they install right wingers. The fact that the Biden admin recognizes guaido in Venezuela proves that democrats also work to undemocratically install right wingers in Latin America.",
">\n\nBro, stop thinking in terms of political parties. The US is pro maintaing global financial hegemony, and that's it. There is no Democrats or Republucans when it comes to foreign policy (except some weird putin dick sucking on the republican side and the fact the Democrats have a few humans who recognise palastine). The rest is just US foreign policy, you are clearly way to partisan and you need to touch some grass. Remember everyone in power hates you and me. They are not your friend. And your weird obsession with ThE DeMs is hilarious",
">\n\nWhat are you even arguing about lol? I'm saying dems support right wing dictators which you seem to agree with. So what's your point?",
">\n\nThat the article you posted doesn't say what you think does?",
">\n\nIn Brazil? It ends with Bolsonaro back in power and decades of authoritarian rule.",
">\n\nStop posting misinformation. Maybe the conspiracy sub will fit you better?",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.",
">\n\nThis is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned."
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Why do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.
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[
"This is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.",
">\n\nI did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?\nI assume you mean \"The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin\"\nDon't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are \"against corruption\" in Latin America is just what they alway say",
">\n\nYea and the US says they're fighting corruption when they install right wingers. The fact that the Biden admin recognizes guaido in Venezuela proves that democrats also work to undemocratically install right wingers in Latin America.",
">\n\nBro, stop thinking in terms of political parties. The US is pro maintaing global financial hegemony, and that's it. There is no Democrats or Republucans when it comes to foreign policy (except some weird putin dick sucking on the republican side and the fact the Democrats have a few humans who recognise palastine). The rest is just US foreign policy, you are clearly way to partisan and you need to touch some grass. Remember everyone in power hates you and me. They are not your friend. And your weird obsession with ThE DeMs is hilarious",
">\n\nWhat are you even arguing about lol? I'm saying dems support right wing dictators which you seem to agree with. So what's your point?",
">\n\nThat the article you posted doesn't say what you think does?",
">\n\nIn Brazil? It ends with Bolsonaro back in power and decades of authoritarian rule.",
">\n\nStop posting misinformation. Maybe the conspiracy sub will fit you better?",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.",
">\n\nThis is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?"
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The military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.
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"This is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.",
">\n\nI did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?\nI assume you mean \"The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin\"\nDon't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are \"against corruption\" in Latin America is just what they alway say",
">\n\nYea and the US says they're fighting corruption when they install right wingers. The fact that the Biden admin recognizes guaido in Venezuela proves that democrats also work to undemocratically install right wingers in Latin America.",
">\n\nBro, stop thinking in terms of political parties. The US is pro maintaing global financial hegemony, and that's it. There is no Democrats or Republucans when it comes to foreign policy (except some weird putin dick sucking on the republican side and the fact the Democrats have a few humans who recognise palastine). The rest is just US foreign policy, you are clearly way to partisan and you need to touch some grass. Remember everyone in power hates you and me. They are not your friend. And your weird obsession with ThE DeMs is hilarious",
">\n\nWhat are you even arguing about lol? I'm saying dems support right wing dictators which you seem to agree with. So what's your point?",
">\n\nThat the article you posted doesn't say what you think does?",
">\n\nIn Brazil? It ends with Bolsonaro back in power and decades of authoritarian rule.",
">\n\nStop posting misinformation. Maybe the conspiracy sub will fit you better?",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.",
">\n\nThis is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro."
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You do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.
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"This is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.",
">\n\nI did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?\nI assume you mean \"The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin\"\nDon't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are \"against corruption\" in Latin America is just what they alway say",
">\n\nYea and the US says they're fighting corruption when they install right wingers. The fact that the Biden admin recognizes guaido in Venezuela proves that democrats also work to undemocratically install right wingers in Latin America.",
">\n\nBro, stop thinking in terms of political parties. The US is pro maintaing global financial hegemony, and that's it. There is no Democrats or Republucans when it comes to foreign policy (except some weird putin dick sucking on the republican side and the fact the Democrats have a few humans who recognise palastine). The rest is just US foreign policy, you are clearly way to partisan and you need to touch some grass. Remember everyone in power hates you and me. They are not your friend. And your weird obsession with ThE DeMs is hilarious",
">\n\nWhat are you even arguing about lol? I'm saying dems support right wing dictators which you seem to agree with. So what's your point?",
">\n\nThat the article you posted doesn't say what you think does?",
">\n\nIn Brazil? It ends with Bolsonaro back in power and decades of authoritarian rule.",
">\n\nStop posting misinformation. Maybe the conspiracy sub will fit you better?",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.",
">\n\nThis is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference."
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To be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing
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"This is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.",
">\n\nI did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?\nI assume you mean \"The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin\"\nDon't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are \"against corruption\" in Latin America is just what they alway say",
">\n\nYea and the US says they're fighting corruption when they install right wingers. The fact that the Biden admin recognizes guaido in Venezuela proves that democrats also work to undemocratically install right wingers in Latin America.",
">\n\nBro, stop thinking in terms of political parties. The US is pro maintaing global financial hegemony, and that's it. There is no Democrats or Republucans when it comes to foreign policy (except some weird putin dick sucking on the republican side and the fact the Democrats have a few humans who recognise palastine). The rest is just US foreign policy, you are clearly way to partisan and you need to touch some grass. Remember everyone in power hates you and me. They are not your friend. And your weird obsession with ThE DeMs is hilarious",
">\n\nWhat are you even arguing about lol? I'm saying dems support right wing dictators which you seem to agree with. So what's your point?",
">\n\nThat the article you posted doesn't say what you think does?",
">\n\nIn Brazil? It ends with Bolsonaro back in power and decades of authoritarian rule.",
">\n\nStop posting misinformation. Maybe the conspiracy sub will fit you better?",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.",
">\n\nThis is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button."
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Brazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!
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"This is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.",
">\n\nI did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?\nI assume you mean \"The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin\"\nDon't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are \"against corruption\" in Latin America is just what they alway say",
">\n\nYea and the US says they're fighting corruption when they install right wingers. The fact that the Biden admin recognizes guaido in Venezuela proves that democrats also work to undemocratically install right wingers in Latin America.",
">\n\nBro, stop thinking in terms of political parties. The US is pro maintaing global financial hegemony, and that's it. There is no Democrats or Republucans when it comes to foreign policy (except some weird putin dick sucking on the republican side and the fact the Democrats have a few humans who recognise palastine). The rest is just US foreign policy, you are clearly way to partisan and you need to touch some grass. Remember everyone in power hates you and me. They are not your friend. And your weird obsession with ThE DeMs is hilarious",
">\n\nWhat are you even arguing about lol? I'm saying dems support right wing dictators which you seem to agree with. So what's your point?",
">\n\nThat the article you posted doesn't say what you think does?",
">\n\nIn Brazil? It ends with Bolsonaro back in power and decades of authoritarian rule.",
">\n\nStop posting misinformation. Maybe the conspiracy sub will fit you better?",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.",
">\n\nThis is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing"
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Honestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him
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"This is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.",
">\n\nI did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?\nI assume you mean \"The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin\"\nDon't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are \"against corruption\" in Latin America is just what they alway say",
">\n\nYea and the US says they're fighting corruption when they install right wingers. The fact that the Biden admin recognizes guaido in Venezuela proves that democrats also work to undemocratically install right wingers in Latin America.",
">\n\nBro, stop thinking in terms of political parties. The US is pro maintaing global financial hegemony, and that's it. There is no Democrats or Republucans when it comes to foreign policy (except some weird putin dick sucking on the republican side and the fact the Democrats have a few humans who recognise palastine). The rest is just US foreign policy, you are clearly way to partisan and you need to touch some grass. Remember everyone in power hates you and me. They are not your friend. And your weird obsession with ThE DeMs is hilarious",
">\n\nWhat are you even arguing about lol? I'm saying dems support right wing dictators which you seem to agree with. So what's your point?",
">\n\nThat the article you posted doesn't say what you think does?",
">\n\nIn Brazil? It ends with Bolsonaro back in power and decades of authoritarian rule.",
">\n\nStop posting misinformation. Maybe the conspiracy sub will fit you better?",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.",
">\n\nThis is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!"
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I saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.
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[
"This is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.",
">\n\nI did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?\nI assume you mean \"The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin\"\nDon't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are \"against corruption\" in Latin America is just what they alway say",
">\n\nYea and the US says they're fighting corruption when they install right wingers. The fact that the Biden admin recognizes guaido in Venezuela proves that democrats also work to undemocratically install right wingers in Latin America.",
">\n\nBro, stop thinking in terms of political parties. The US is pro maintaing global financial hegemony, and that's it. There is no Democrats or Republucans when it comes to foreign policy (except some weird putin dick sucking on the republican side and the fact the Democrats have a few humans who recognise palastine). The rest is just US foreign policy, you are clearly way to partisan and you need to touch some grass. Remember everyone in power hates you and me. They are not your friend. And your weird obsession with ThE DeMs is hilarious",
">\n\nWhat are you even arguing about lol? I'm saying dems support right wing dictators which you seem to agree with. So what's your point?",
">\n\nThat the article you posted doesn't say what you think does?",
">\n\nIn Brazil? It ends with Bolsonaro back in power and decades of authoritarian rule.",
">\n\nStop posting misinformation. Maybe the conspiracy sub will fit you better?",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.",
">\n\nThis is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him"
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Friendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.
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[
"This is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.",
">\n\nI did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?\nI assume you mean \"The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin\"\nDon't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are \"against corruption\" in Latin America is just what they alway say",
">\n\nYea and the US says they're fighting corruption when they install right wingers. The fact that the Biden admin recognizes guaido in Venezuela proves that democrats also work to undemocratically install right wingers in Latin America.",
">\n\nBro, stop thinking in terms of political parties. The US is pro maintaing global financial hegemony, and that's it. There is no Democrats or Republucans when it comes to foreign policy (except some weird putin dick sucking on the republican side and the fact the Democrats have a few humans who recognise palastine). The rest is just US foreign policy, you are clearly way to partisan and you need to touch some grass. Remember everyone in power hates you and me. They are not your friend. And your weird obsession with ThE DeMs is hilarious",
">\n\nWhat are you even arguing about lol? I'm saying dems support right wing dictators which you seem to agree with. So what's your point?",
">\n\nThat the article you posted doesn't say what you think does?",
">\n\nIn Brazil? It ends with Bolsonaro back in power and decades of authoritarian rule.",
">\n\nStop posting misinformation. Maybe the conspiracy sub will fit you better?",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.",
">\n\nThis is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom."
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This isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.
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[
"This is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.",
">\n\nI did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?\nI assume you mean \"The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin\"\nDon't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are \"against corruption\" in Latin America is just what they alway say",
">\n\nYea and the US says they're fighting corruption when they install right wingers. The fact that the Biden admin recognizes guaido in Venezuela proves that democrats also work to undemocratically install right wingers in Latin America.",
">\n\nBro, stop thinking in terms of political parties. The US is pro maintaing global financial hegemony, and that's it. There is no Democrats or Republucans when it comes to foreign policy (except some weird putin dick sucking on the republican side and the fact the Democrats have a few humans who recognise palastine). The rest is just US foreign policy, you are clearly way to partisan and you need to touch some grass. Remember everyone in power hates you and me. They are not your friend. And your weird obsession with ThE DeMs is hilarious",
">\n\nWhat are you even arguing about lol? I'm saying dems support right wing dictators which you seem to agree with. So what's your point?",
">\n\nThat the article you posted doesn't say what you think does?",
">\n\nIn Brazil? It ends with Bolsonaro back in power and decades of authoritarian rule.",
">\n\nStop posting misinformation. Maybe the conspiracy sub will fit you better?",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.",
">\n\nThis is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election."
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I think it will play out similarly:
His supporters are genuinely furious he lost.
They're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.
Brazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.
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[
"This is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.",
">\n\nI did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?\nI assume you mean \"The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin\"\nDon't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are \"against corruption\" in Latin America is just what they alway say",
">\n\nYea and the US says they're fighting corruption when they install right wingers. The fact that the Biden admin recognizes guaido in Venezuela proves that democrats also work to undemocratically install right wingers in Latin America.",
">\n\nBro, stop thinking in terms of political parties. The US is pro maintaing global financial hegemony, and that's it. There is no Democrats or Republucans when it comes to foreign policy (except some weird putin dick sucking on the republican side and the fact the Democrats have a few humans who recognise palastine). The rest is just US foreign policy, you are clearly way to partisan and you need to touch some grass. Remember everyone in power hates you and me. They are not your friend. And your weird obsession with ThE DeMs is hilarious",
">\n\nWhat are you even arguing about lol? I'm saying dems support right wing dictators which you seem to agree with. So what's your point?",
">\n\nThat the article you posted doesn't say what you think does?",
">\n\nIn Brazil? It ends with Bolsonaro back in power and decades of authoritarian rule.",
">\n\nStop posting misinformation. Maybe the conspiracy sub will fit you better?",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.",
">\n\nThis is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place."
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I'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.
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[
"This is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.",
">\n\nI did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?\nI assume you mean \"The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin\"\nDon't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are \"against corruption\" in Latin America is just what they alway say",
">\n\nYea and the US says they're fighting corruption when they install right wingers. The fact that the Biden admin recognizes guaido in Venezuela proves that democrats also work to undemocratically install right wingers in Latin America.",
">\n\nBro, stop thinking in terms of political parties. The US is pro maintaing global financial hegemony, and that's it. There is no Democrats or Republucans when it comes to foreign policy (except some weird putin dick sucking on the republican side and the fact the Democrats have a few humans who recognise palastine). The rest is just US foreign policy, you are clearly way to partisan and you need to touch some grass. Remember everyone in power hates you and me. They are not your friend. And your weird obsession with ThE DeMs is hilarious",
">\n\nWhat are you even arguing about lol? I'm saying dems support right wing dictators which you seem to agree with. So what's your point?",
">\n\nThat the article you posted doesn't say what you think does?",
">\n\nIn Brazil? It ends with Bolsonaro back in power and decades of authoritarian rule.",
">\n\nStop posting misinformation. Maybe the conspiracy sub will fit you better?",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.",
">\n\nThis is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over."
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Our minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.
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[
"This is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.",
">\n\nI did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?\nI assume you mean \"The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin\"\nDon't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are \"against corruption\" in Latin America is just what they alway say",
">\n\nYea and the US says they're fighting corruption when they install right wingers. The fact that the Biden admin recognizes guaido in Venezuela proves that democrats also work to undemocratically install right wingers in Latin America.",
">\n\nBro, stop thinking in terms of political parties. The US is pro maintaing global financial hegemony, and that's it. There is no Democrats or Republucans when it comes to foreign policy (except some weird putin dick sucking on the republican side and the fact the Democrats have a few humans who recognise palastine). The rest is just US foreign policy, you are clearly way to partisan and you need to touch some grass. Remember everyone in power hates you and me. They are not your friend. And your weird obsession with ThE DeMs is hilarious",
">\n\nWhat are you even arguing about lol? I'm saying dems support right wing dictators which you seem to agree with. So what's your point?",
">\n\nThat the article you posted doesn't say what you think does?",
">\n\nIn Brazil? It ends with Bolsonaro back in power and decades of authoritarian rule.",
">\n\nStop posting misinformation. Maybe the conspiracy sub will fit you better?",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.",
">\n\nThis is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies."
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Neither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days
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"This is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.",
">\n\nI did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?\nI assume you mean \"The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin\"\nDon't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are \"against corruption\" in Latin America is just what they alway say",
">\n\nYea and the US says they're fighting corruption when they install right wingers. The fact that the Biden admin recognizes guaido in Venezuela proves that democrats also work to undemocratically install right wingers in Latin America.",
">\n\nBro, stop thinking in terms of political parties. The US is pro maintaing global financial hegemony, and that's it. There is no Democrats or Republucans when it comes to foreign policy (except some weird putin dick sucking on the republican side and the fact the Democrats have a few humans who recognise palastine). The rest is just US foreign policy, you are clearly way to partisan and you need to touch some grass. Remember everyone in power hates you and me. They are not your friend. And your weird obsession with ThE DeMs is hilarious",
">\n\nWhat are you even arguing about lol? I'm saying dems support right wing dictators which you seem to agree with. So what's your point?",
">\n\nThat the article you posted doesn't say what you think does?",
">\n\nIn Brazil? It ends with Bolsonaro back in power and decades of authoritarian rule.",
">\n\nStop posting misinformation. Maybe the conspiracy sub will fit you better?",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.",
">\n\nThis is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards."
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We should tolerate fascism less. Its nuts that that most of instigators of Jan 6 among the US political class or their clients in the mass media who gave oxygen to their lunacy have faced zero consequences. Hopefully Brazilian justice system acts more decisively. You're either for democracy - flawed or not - or your for some kind of totalitarian fascist state.
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[
"This is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.",
">\n\nI did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?\nI assume you mean \"The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin\"\nDon't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are \"against corruption\" in Latin America is just what they alway say",
">\n\nYea and the US says they're fighting corruption when they install right wingers. The fact that the Biden admin recognizes guaido in Venezuela proves that democrats also work to undemocratically install right wingers in Latin America.",
">\n\nBro, stop thinking in terms of political parties. The US is pro maintaing global financial hegemony, and that's it. There is no Democrats or Republucans when it comes to foreign policy (except some weird putin dick sucking on the republican side and the fact the Democrats have a few humans who recognise palastine). The rest is just US foreign policy, you are clearly way to partisan and you need to touch some grass. Remember everyone in power hates you and me. They are not your friend. And your weird obsession with ThE DeMs is hilarious",
">\n\nWhat are you even arguing about lol? I'm saying dems support right wing dictators which you seem to agree with. So what's your point?",
">\n\nThat the article you posted doesn't say what you think does?",
">\n\nIn Brazil? It ends with Bolsonaro back in power and decades of authoritarian rule.",
">\n\nStop posting misinformation. Maybe the conspiracy sub will fit you better?",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.",
">\n\nThis is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days"
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I would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.
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[
"This is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.",
">\n\nI did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?\nI assume you mean \"The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin\"\nDon't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are \"against corruption\" in Latin America is just what they alway say",
">\n\nYea and the US says they're fighting corruption when they install right wingers. The fact that the Biden admin recognizes guaido in Venezuela proves that democrats also work to undemocratically install right wingers in Latin America.",
">\n\nBro, stop thinking in terms of political parties. The US is pro maintaing global financial hegemony, and that's it. There is no Democrats or Republucans when it comes to foreign policy (except some weird putin dick sucking on the republican side and the fact the Democrats have a few humans who recognise palastine). The rest is just US foreign policy, you are clearly way to partisan and you need to touch some grass. Remember everyone in power hates you and me. They are not your friend. And your weird obsession with ThE DeMs is hilarious",
">\n\nWhat are you even arguing about lol? I'm saying dems support right wing dictators which you seem to agree with. So what's your point?",
">\n\nThat the article you posted doesn't say what you think does?",
">\n\nIn Brazil? It ends with Bolsonaro back in power and decades of authoritarian rule.",
">\n\nStop posting misinformation. Maybe the conspiracy sub will fit you better?",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.",
">\n\nThis is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nWe should tolerate fascism less. Its nuts that that most of instigators of Jan 6 among the US political class or their clients in the mass media who gave oxygen to their lunacy have faced zero consequences. Hopefully Brazilian justice system acts more decisively. You're either for democracy - flawed or not - or your for some kind of totalitarian fascist state."
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Just kind reminder dear US citzens: "STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!"
Sincerely,
A brazilian.
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[
"This is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.",
">\n\nI did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?\nI assume you mean \"The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin\"\nDon't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are \"against corruption\" in Latin America is just what they alway say",
">\n\nYea and the US says they're fighting corruption when they install right wingers. The fact that the Biden admin recognizes guaido in Venezuela proves that democrats also work to undemocratically install right wingers in Latin America.",
">\n\nBro, stop thinking in terms of political parties. The US is pro maintaing global financial hegemony, and that's it. There is no Democrats or Republucans when it comes to foreign policy (except some weird putin dick sucking on the republican side and the fact the Democrats have a few humans who recognise palastine). The rest is just US foreign policy, you are clearly way to partisan and you need to touch some grass. Remember everyone in power hates you and me. They are not your friend. And your weird obsession with ThE DeMs is hilarious",
">\n\nWhat are you even arguing about lol? I'm saying dems support right wing dictators which you seem to agree with. So what's your point?",
">\n\nThat the article you posted doesn't say what you think does?",
">\n\nIn Brazil? It ends with Bolsonaro back in power and decades of authoritarian rule.",
">\n\nStop posting misinformation. Maybe the conspiracy sub will fit you better?",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.",
">\n\nThis is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nWe should tolerate fascism less. Its nuts that that most of instigators of Jan 6 among the US political class or their clients in the mass media who gave oxygen to their lunacy have faced zero consequences. Hopefully Brazilian justice system acts more decisively. You're either for democracy - flawed or not - or your for some kind of totalitarian fascist state.",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US."
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Round 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.
WWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.
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[
"This is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.",
">\n\nI did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?\nI assume you mean \"The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin\"\nDon't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are \"against corruption\" in Latin America is just what they alway say",
">\n\nYea and the US says they're fighting corruption when they install right wingers. The fact that the Biden admin recognizes guaido in Venezuela proves that democrats also work to undemocratically install right wingers in Latin America.",
">\n\nBro, stop thinking in terms of political parties. The US is pro maintaing global financial hegemony, and that's it. There is no Democrats or Republucans when it comes to foreign policy (except some weird putin dick sucking on the republican side and the fact the Democrats have a few humans who recognise palastine). The rest is just US foreign policy, you are clearly way to partisan and you need to touch some grass. Remember everyone in power hates you and me. They are not your friend. And your weird obsession with ThE DeMs is hilarious",
">\n\nWhat are you even arguing about lol? I'm saying dems support right wing dictators which you seem to agree with. So what's your point?",
">\n\nThat the article you posted doesn't say what you think does?",
">\n\nIn Brazil? It ends with Bolsonaro back in power and decades of authoritarian rule.",
">\n\nStop posting misinformation. Maybe the conspiracy sub will fit you better?",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.",
">\n\nThis is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nWe should tolerate fascism less. Its nuts that that most of instigators of Jan 6 among the US political class or their clients in the mass media who gave oxygen to their lunacy have faced zero consequences. Hopefully Brazilian justice system acts more decisively. You're either for democracy - flawed or not - or your for some kind of totalitarian fascist state.",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian."
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“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.
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[
"This is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.",
">\n\nI did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?\nI assume you mean \"The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin\"\nDon't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are \"against corruption\" in Latin America is just what they alway say",
">\n\nYea and the US says they're fighting corruption when they install right wingers. The fact that the Biden admin recognizes guaido in Venezuela proves that democrats also work to undemocratically install right wingers in Latin America.",
">\n\nBro, stop thinking in terms of political parties. The US is pro maintaing global financial hegemony, and that's it. There is no Democrats or Republucans when it comes to foreign policy (except some weird putin dick sucking on the republican side and the fact the Democrats have a few humans who recognise palastine). The rest is just US foreign policy, you are clearly way to partisan and you need to touch some grass. Remember everyone in power hates you and me. They are not your friend. And your weird obsession with ThE DeMs is hilarious",
">\n\nWhat are you even arguing about lol? I'm saying dems support right wing dictators which you seem to agree with. So what's your point?",
">\n\nThat the article you posted doesn't say what you think does?",
">\n\nIn Brazil? It ends with Bolsonaro back in power and decades of authoritarian rule.",
">\n\nStop posting misinformation. Maybe the conspiracy sub will fit you better?",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.",
">\n\nThis is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nWe should tolerate fascism less. Its nuts that that most of instigators of Jan 6 among the US political class or their clients in the mass media who gave oxygen to their lunacy have faced zero consequences. Hopefully Brazilian justice system acts more decisively. You're either for democracy - flawed or not - or your for some kind of totalitarian fascist state.",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right."
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You do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?
It's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.
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"This is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.",
">\n\nI did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?\nI assume you mean \"The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin\"\nDon't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are \"against corruption\" in Latin America is just what they alway say",
">\n\nYea and the US says they're fighting corruption when they install right wingers. The fact that the Biden admin recognizes guaido in Venezuela proves that democrats also work to undemocratically install right wingers in Latin America.",
">\n\nBro, stop thinking in terms of political parties. The US is pro maintaing global financial hegemony, and that's it. There is no Democrats or Republucans when it comes to foreign policy (except some weird putin dick sucking on the republican side and the fact the Democrats have a few humans who recognise palastine). The rest is just US foreign policy, you are clearly way to partisan and you need to touch some grass. Remember everyone in power hates you and me. They are not your friend. And your weird obsession with ThE DeMs is hilarious",
">\n\nWhat are you even arguing about lol? I'm saying dems support right wing dictators which you seem to agree with. So what's your point?",
">\n\nThat the article you posted doesn't say what you think does?",
">\n\nIn Brazil? It ends with Bolsonaro back in power and decades of authoritarian rule.",
">\n\nStop posting misinformation. Maybe the conspiracy sub will fit you better?",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.",
">\n\nThis is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nWe should tolerate fascism less. Its nuts that that most of instigators of Jan 6 among the US political class or their clients in the mass media who gave oxygen to their lunacy have faced zero consequences. Hopefully Brazilian justice system acts more decisively. You're either for democracy - flawed or not - or your for some kind of totalitarian fascist state.",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too."
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Yeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.
Edit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.
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"This is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.",
">\n\nI did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?\nI assume you mean \"The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin\"\nDon't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are \"against corruption\" in Latin America is just what they alway say",
">\n\nYea and the US says they're fighting corruption when they install right wingers. The fact that the Biden admin recognizes guaido in Venezuela proves that democrats also work to undemocratically install right wingers in Latin America.",
">\n\nBro, stop thinking in terms of political parties. The US is pro maintaing global financial hegemony, and that's it. There is no Democrats or Republucans when it comes to foreign policy (except some weird putin dick sucking on the republican side and the fact the Democrats have a few humans who recognise palastine). The rest is just US foreign policy, you are clearly way to partisan and you need to touch some grass. Remember everyone in power hates you and me. They are not your friend. And your weird obsession with ThE DeMs is hilarious",
">\n\nWhat are you even arguing about lol? I'm saying dems support right wing dictators which you seem to agree with. So what's your point?",
">\n\nThat the article you posted doesn't say what you think does?",
">\n\nIn Brazil? It ends with Bolsonaro back in power and decades of authoritarian rule.",
">\n\nStop posting misinformation. Maybe the conspiracy sub will fit you better?",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.",
">\n\nThis is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nWe should tolerate fascism less. Its nuts that that most of instigators of Jan 6 among the US political class or their clients in the mass media who gave oxygen to their lunacy have faced zero consequences. Hopefully Brazilian justice system acts more decisively. You're either for democracy - flawed or not - or your for some kind of totalitarian fascist state.",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once."
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the "security barriers" were like the ones in the capitol...
so, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy
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"This is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.",
">\n\nI did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?\nI assume you mean \"The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin\"\nDon't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are \"against corruption\" in Latin America is just what they alway say",
">\n\nYea and the US says they're fighting corruption when they install right wingers. The fact that the Biden admin recognizes guaido in Venezuela proves that democrats also work to undemocratically install right wingers in Latin America.",
">\n\nBro, stop thinking in terms of political parties. The US is pro maintaing global financial hegemony, and that's it. There is no Democrats or Republucans when it comes to foreign policy (except some weird putin dick sucking on the republican side and the fact the Democrats have a few humans who recognise palastine). The rest is just US foreign policy, you are clearly way to partisan and you need to touch some grass. Remember everyone in power hates you and me. They are not your friend. And your weird obsession with ThE DeMs is hilarious",
">\n\nWhat are you even arguing about lol? I'm saying dems support right wing dictators which you seem to agree with. So what's your point?",
">\n\nThat the article you posted doesn't say what you think does?",
">\n\nIn Brazil? It ends with Bolsonaro back in power and decades of authoritarian rule.",
">\n\nStop posting misinformation. Maybe the conspiracy sub will fit you better?",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.",
">\n\nThis is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nWe should tolerate fascism less. Its nuts that that most of instigators of Jan 6 among the US political class or their clients in the mass media who gave oxygen to their lunacy have faced zero consequences. Hopefully Brazilian justice system acts more decisively. You're either for democracy - flawed or not - or your for some kind of totalitarian fascist state.",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things."
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January 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.
Bolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.
This isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.
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[
"This is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.",
">\n\nI did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?\nI assume you mean \"The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin\"\nDon't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are \"against corruption\" in Latin America is just what they alway say",
">\n\nYea and the US says they're fighting corruption when they install right wingers. The fact that the Biden admin recognizes guaido in Venezuela proves that democrats also work to undemocratically install right wingers in Latin America.",
">\n\nBro, stop thinking in terms of political parties. The US is pro maintaing global financial hegemony, and that's it. There is no Democrats or Republucans when it comes to foreign policy (except some weird putin dick sucking on the republican side and the fact the Democrats have a few humans who recognise palastine). The rest is just US foreign policy, you are clearly way to partisan and you need to touch some grass. Remember everyone in power hates you and me. They are not your friend. And your weird obsession with ThE DeMs is hilarious",
">\n\nWhat are you even arguing about lol? I'm saying dems support right wing dictators which you seem to agree with. So what's your point?",
">\n\nThat the article you posted doesn't say what you think does?",
">\n\nIn Brazil? It ends with Bolsonaro back in power and decades of authoritarian rule.",
">\n\nStop posting misinformation. Maybe the conspiracy sub will fit you better?",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.",
">\n\nThis is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nWe should tolerate fascism less. Its nuts that that most of instigators of Jan 6 among the US political class or their clients in the mass media who gave oxygen to their lunacy have faced zero consequences. Hopefully Brazilian justice system acts more decisively. You're either for democracy - flawed or not - or your for some kind of totalitarian fascist state.",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy"
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Well it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.
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[
"This is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.",
">\n\nI did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?\nI assume you mean \"The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin\"\nDon't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are \"against corruption\" in Latin America is just what they alway say",
">\n\nYea and the US says they're fighting corruption when they install right wingers. The fact that the Biden admin recognizes guaido in Venezuela proves that democrats also work to undemocratically install right wingers in Latin America.",
">\n\nBro, stop thinking in terms of political parties. The US is pro maintaing global financial hegemony, and that's it. There is no Democrats or Republucans when it comes to foreign policy (except some weird putin dick sucking on the republican side and the fact the Democrats have a few humans who recognise palastine). The rest is just US foreign policy, you are clearly way to partisan and you need to touch some grass. Remember everyone in power hates you and me. They are not your friend. And your weird obsession with ThE DeMs is hilarious",
">\n\nWhat are you even arguing about lol? I'm saying dems support right wing dictators which you seem to agree with. So what's your point?",
">\n\nThat the article you posted doesn't say what you think does?",
">\n\nIn Brazil? It ends with Bolsonaro back in power and decades of authoritarian rule.",
">\n\nStop posting misinformation. Maybe the conspiracy sub will fit you better?",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.",
">\n\nThis is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nWe should tolerate fascism less. Its nuts that that most of instigators of Jan 6 among the US political class or their clients in the mass media who gave oxygen to their lunacy have faced zero consequences. Hopefully Brazilian justice system acts more decisively. You're either for democracy - flawed or not - or your for some kind of totalitarian fascist state.",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event."
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No, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?
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"This is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.",
">\n\nI did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?\nI assume you mean \"The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin\"\nDon't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are \"against corruption\" in Latin America is just what they alway say",
">\n\nYea and the US says they're fighting corruption when they install right wingers. The fact that the Biden admin recognizes guaido in Venezuela proves that democrats also work to undemocratically install right wingers in Latin America.",
">\n\nBro, stop thinking in terms of political parties. The US is pro maintaing global financial hegemony, and that's it. There is no Democrats or Republucans when it comes to foreign policy (except some weird putin dick sucking on the republican side and the fact the Democrats have a few humans who recognise palastine). The rest is just US foreign policy, you are clearly way to partisan and you need to touch some grass. Remember everyone in power hates you and me. They are not your friend. And your weird obsession with ThE DeMs is hilarious",
">\n\nWhat are you even arguing about lol? I'm saying dems support right wing dictators which you seem to agree with. So what's your point?",
">\n\nThat the article you posted doesn't say what you think does?",
">\n\nIn Brazil? It ends with Bolsonaro back in power and decades of authoritarian rule.",
">\n\nStop posting misinformation. Maybe the conspiracy sub will fit you better?",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.",
">\n\nThis is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nWe should tolerate fascism less. Its nuts that that most of instigators of Jan 6 among the US political class or their clients in the mass media who gave oxygen to their lunacy have faced zero consequences. Hopefully Brazilian justice system acts more decisively. You're either for democracy - flawed or not - or your for some kind of totalitarian fascist state.",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration."
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Bro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?
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[
"This is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.",
">\n\nI did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?\nI assume you mean \"The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin\"\nDon't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are \"against corruption\" in Latin America is just what they alway say",
">\n\nYea and the US says they're fighting corruption when they install right wingers. The fact that the Biden admin recognizes guaido in Venezuela proves that democrats also work to undemocratically install right wingers in Latin America.",
">\n\nBro, stop thinking in terms of political parties. The US is pro maintaing global financial hegemony, and that's it. There is no Democrats or Republucans when it comes to foreign policy (except some weird putin dick sucking on the republican side and the fact the Democrats have a few humans who recognise palastine). The rest is just US foreign policy, you are clearly way to partisan and you need to touch some grass. Remember everyone in power hates you and me. They are not your friend. And your weird obsession with ThE DeMs is hilarious",
">\n\nWhat are you even arguing about lol? I'm saying dems support right wing dictators which you seem to agree with. So what's your point?",
">\n\nThat the article you posted doesn't say what you think does?",
">\n\nIn Brazil? It ends with Bolsonaro back in power and decades of authoritarian rule.",
">\n\nStop posting misinformation. Maybe the conspiracy sub will fit you better?",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.",
">\n\nThis is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nWe should tolerate fascism less. Its nuts that that most of instigators of Jan 6 among the US political class or their clients in the mass media who gave oxygen to their lunacy have faced zero consequences. Hopefully Brazilian justice system acts more decisively. You're either for democracy - flawed or not - or your for some kind of totalitarian fascist state.",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?"
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Read the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.
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[
"This is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.",
">\n\nI did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?\nI assume you mean \"The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin\"\nDon't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are \"against corruption\" in Latin America is just what they alway say",
">\n\nYea and the US says they're fighting corruption when they install right wingers. The fact that the Biden admin recognizes guaido in Venezuela proves that democrats also work to undemocratically install right wingers in Latin America.",
">\n\nBro, stop thinking in terms of political parties. The US is pro maintaing global financial hegemony, and that's it. There is no Democrats or Republucans when it comes to foreign policy (except some weird putin dick sucking on the republican side and the fact the Democrats have a few humans who recognise palastine). The rest is just US foreign policy, you are clearly way to partisan and you need to touch some grass. Remember everyone in power hates you and me. They are not your friend. And your weird obsession with ThE DeMs is hilarious",
">\n\nWhat are you even arguing about lol? I'm saying dems support right wing dictators which you seem to agree with. So what's your point?",
">\n\nThat the article you posted doesn't say what you think does?",
">\n\nIn Brazil? It ends with Bolsonaro back in power and decades of authoritarian rule.",
">\n\nStop posting misinformation. Maybe the conspiracy sub will fit you better?",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.",
">\n\nThis is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nWe should tolerate fascism less. Its nuts that that most of instigators of Jan 6 among the US political class or their clients in the mass media who gave oxygen to their lunacy have faced zero consequences. Hopefully Brazilian justice system acts more decisively. You're either for democracy - flawed or not - or your for some kind of totalitarian fascist state.",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?"
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I did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?
I assume you mean "The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin"
Don't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are "against corruption" in Latin America is just what they alway say
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[
"This is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.",
">\n\nI did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?\nI assume you mean \"The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin\"\nDon't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are \"against corruption\" in Latin America is just what they alway say",
">\n\nYea and the US says they're fighting corruption when they install right wingers. The fact that the Biden admin recognizes guaido in Venezuela proves that democrats also work to undemocratically install right wingers in Latin America.",
">\n\nBro, stop thinking in terms of political parties. The US is pro maintaing global financial hegemony, and that's it. There is no Democrats or Republucans when it comes to foreign policy (except some weird putin dick sucking on the republican side and the fact the Democrats have a few humans who recognise palastine). The rest is just US foreign policy, you are clearly way to partisan and you need to touch some grass. Remember everyone in power hates you and me. They are not your friend. And your weird obsession with ThE DeMs is hilarious",
">\n\nWhat are you even arguing about lol? I'm saying dems support right wing dictators which you seem to agree with. So what's your point?",
">\n\nThat the article you posted doesn't say what you think does?",
">\n\nIn Brazil? It ends with Bolsonaro back in power and decades of authoritarian rule.",
">\n\nStop posting misinformation. Maybe the conspiracy sub will fit you better?",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.",
">\n\nThis is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nWe should tolerate fascism less. Its nuts that that most of instigators of Jan 6 among the US political class or their clients in the mass media who gave oxygen to their lunacy have faced zero consequences. Hopefully Brazilian justice system acts more decisively. You're either for democracy - flawed or not - or your for some kind of totalitarian fascist state.",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this."
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Yea and the US says they're fighting corruption when they install right wingers. The fact that the Biden admin recognizes guaido in Venezuela proves that democrats also work to undemocratically install right wingers in Latin America.
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"This is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.",
">\n\nI did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?\nI assume you mean \"The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin\"\nDon't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are \"against corruption\" in Latin America is just what they alway say",
">\n\nYea and the US says they're fighting corruption when they install right wingers. The fact that the Biden admin recognizes guaido in Venezuela proves that democrats also work to undemocratically install right wingers in Latin America.",
">\n\nBro, stop thinking in terms of political parties. The US is pro maintaing global financial hegemony, and that's it. There is no Democrats or Republucans when it comes to foreign policy (except some weird putin dick sucking on the republican side and the fact the Democrats have a few humans who recognise palastine). The rest is just US foreign policy, you are clearly way to partisan and you need to touch some grass. Remember everyone in power hates you and me. They are not your friend. And your weird obsession with ThE DeMs is hilarious",
">\n\nWhat are you even arguing about lol? I'm saying dems support right wing dictators which you seem to agree with. So what's your point?",
">\n\nThat the article you posted doesn't say what you think does?",
">\n\nIn Brazil? It ends with Bolsonaro back in power and decades of authoritarian rule.",
">\n\nStop posting misinformation. Maybe the conspiracy sub will fit you better?",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.",
">\n\nThis is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nWe should tolerate fascism less. Its nuts that that most of instigators of Jan 6 among the US political class or their clients in the mass media who gave oxygen to their lunacy have faced zero consequences. Hopefully Brazilian justice system acts more decisively. You're either for democracy - flawed or not - or your for some kind of totalitarian fascist state.",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.",
">\n\nI did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?\nI assume you mean \"The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin\"\nDon't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are \"against corruption\" in Latin America is just what they alway say"
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Bro, stop thinking in terms of political parties. The US is pro maintaing global financial hegemony, and that's it. There is no Democrats or Republucans when it comes to foreign policy (except some weird putin dick sucking on the republican side and the fact the Democrats have a few humans who recognise palastine). The rest is just US foreign policy, you are clearly way to partisan and you need to touch some grass. Remember everyone in power hates you and me. They are not your friend. And your weird obsession with ThE DeMs is hilarious
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"This is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.",
">\n\nI did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?\nI assume you mean \"The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin\"\nDon't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are \"against corruption\" in Latin America is just what they alway say",
">\n\nYea and the US says they're fighting corruption when they install right wingers. The fact that the Biden admin recognizes guaido in Venezuela proves that democrats also work to undemocratically install right wingers in Latin America.",
">\n\nBro, stop thinking in terms of political parties. The US is pro maintaing global financial hegemony, and that's it. There is no Democrats or Republucans when it comes to foreign policy (except some weird putin dick sucking on the republican side and the fact the Democrats have a few humans who recognise palastine). The rest is just US foreign policy, you are clearly way to partisan and you need to touch some grass. Remember everyone in power hates you and me. They are not your friend. And your weird obsession with ThE DeMs is hilarious",
">\n\nWhat are you even arguing about lol? I'm saying dems support right wing dictators which you seem to agree with. So what's your point?",
">\n\nThat the article you posted doesn't say what you think does?",
">\n\nIn Brazil? It ends with Bolsonaro back in power and decades of authoritarian rule.",
">\n\nStop posting misinformation. Maybe the conspiracy sub will fit you better?",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.",
">\n\nThis is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nWe should tolerate fascism less. Its nuts that that most of instigators of Jan 6 among the US political class or their clients in the mass media who gave oxygen to their lunacy have faced zero consequences. Hopefully Brazilian justice system acts more decisively. You're either for democracy - flawed or not - or your for some kind of totalitarian fascist state.",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.",
">\n\nI did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?\nI assume you mean \"The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin\"\nDon't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are \"against corruption\" in Latin America is just what they alway say",
">\n\nYea and the US says they're fighting corruption when they install right wingers. The fact that the Biden admin recognizes guaido in Venezuela proves that democrats also work to undemocratically install right wingers in Latin America."
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What are you even arguing about lol? I'm saying dems support right wing dictators which you seem to agree with. So what's your point?
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"This is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.",
">\n\nI did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?\nI assume you mean \"The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin\"\nDon't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are \"against corruption\" in Latin America is just what they alway say",
">\n\nYea and the US says they're fighting corruption when they install right wingers. The fact that the Biden admin recognizes guaido in Venezuela proves that democrats also work to undemocratically install right wingers in Latin America.",
">\n\nBro, stop thinking in terms of political parties. The US is pro maintaing global financial hegemony, and that's it. There is no Democrats or Republucans when it comes to foreign policy (except some weird putin dick sucking on the republican side and the fact the Democrats have a few humans who recognise palastine). The rest is just US foreign policy, you are clearly way to partisan and you need to touch some grass. Remember everyone in power hates you and me. They are not your friend. And your weird obsession with ThE DeMs is hilarious",
">\n\nWhat are you even arguing about lol? I'm saying dems support right wing dictators which you seem to agree with. So what's your point?",
">\n\nThat the article you posted doesn't say what you think does?",
">\n\nIn Brazil? It ends with Bolsonaro back in power and decades of authoritarian rule.",
">\n\nStop posting misinformation. Maybe the conspiracy sub will fit you better?",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.",
">\n\nThis is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nWe should tolerate fascism less. Its nuts that that most of instigators of Jan 6 among the US political class or their clients in the mass media who gave oxygen to their lunacy have faced zero consequences. Hopefully Brazilian justice system acts more decisively. You're either for democracy - flawed or not - or your for some kind of totalitarian fascist state.",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.",
">\n\nI did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?\nI assume you mean \"The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin\"\nDon't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are \"against corruption\" in Latin America is just what they alway say",
">\n\nYea and the US says they're fighting corruption when they install right wingers. The fact that the Biden admin recognizes guaido in Venezuela proves that democrats also work to undemocratically install right wingers in Latin America.",
">\n\nBro, stop thinking in terms of political parties. The US is pro maintaing global financial hegemony, and that's it. There is no Democrats or Republucans when it comes to foreign policy (except some weird putin dick sucking on the republican side and the fact the Democrats have a few humans who recognise palastine). The rest is just US foreign policy, you are clearly way to partisan and you need to touch some grass. Remember everyone in power hates you and me. They are not your friend. And your weird obsession with ThE DeMs is hilarious"
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That the article you posted doesn't say what you think does?
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"This is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.",
">\n\nI did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?\nI assume you mean \"The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin\"\nDon't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are \"against corruption\" in Latin America is just what they alway say",
">\n\nYea and the US says they're fighting corruption when they install right wingers. The fact that the Biden admin recognizes guaido in Venezuela proves that democrats also work to undemocratically install right wingers in Latin America.",
">\n\nBro, stop thinking in terms of political parties. The US is pro maintaing global financial hegemony, and that's it. There is no Democrats or Republucans when it comes to foreign policy (except some weird putin dick sucking on the republican side and the fact the Democrats have a few humans who recognise palastine). The rest is just US foreign policy, you are clearly way to partisan and you need to touch some grass. Remember everyone in power hates you and me. They are not your friend. And your weird obsession with ThE DeMs is hilarious",
">\n\nWhat are you even arguing about lol? I'm saying dems support right wing dictators which you seem to agree with. So what's your point?",
">\n\nThat the article you posted doesn't say what you think does?",
">\n\nIn Brazil? It ends with Bolsonaro back in power and decades of authoritarian rule.",
">\n\nStop posting misinformation. Maybe the conspiracy sub will fit you better?",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.",
">\n\nThis is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nWe should tolerate fascism less. Its nuts that that most of instigators of Jan 6 among the US political class or their clients in the mass media who gave oxygen to their lunacy have faced zero consequences. Hopefully Brazilian justice system acts more decisively. You're either for democracy - flawed or not - or your for some kind of totalitarian fascist state.",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.",
">\n\nI did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?\nI assume you mean \"The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin\"\nDon't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are \"against corruption\" in Latin America is just what they alway say",
">\n\nYea and the US says they're fighting corruption when they install right wingers. The fact that the Biden admin recognizes guaido in Venezuela proves that democrats also work to undemocratically install right wingers in Latin America.",
">\n\nBro, stop thinking in terms of political parties. The US is pro maintaing global financial hegemony, and that's it. There is no Democrats or Republucans when it comes to foreign policy (except some weird putin dick sucking on the republican side and the fact the Democrats have a few humans who recognise palastine). The rest is just US foreign policy, you are clearly way to partisan and you need to touch some grass. Remember everyone in power hates you and me. They are not your friend. And your weird obsession with ThE DeMs is hilarious",
">\n\nWhat are you even arguing about lol? I'm saying dems support right wing dictators which you seem to agree with. So what's your point?"
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"This is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.",
">\n\nI did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?\nI assume you mean \"The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin\"\nDon't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are \"against corruption\" in Latin America is just what they alway say",
">\n\nYea and the US says they're fighting corruption when they install right wingers. The fact that the Biden admin recognizes guaido in Venezuela proves that democrats also work to undemocratically install right wingers in Latin America.",
">\n\nBro, stop thinking in terms of political parties. The US is pro maintaing global financial hegemony, and that's it. There is no Democrats or Republucans when it comes to foreign policy (except some weird putin dick sucking on the republican side and the fact the Democrats have a few humans who recognise palastine). The rest is just US foreign policy, you are clearly way to partisan and you need to touch some grass. Remember everyone in power hates you and me. They are not your friend. And your weird obsession with ThE DeMs is hilarious",
">\n\nWhat are you even arguing about lol? I'm saying dems support right wing dictators which you seem to agree with. So what's your point?",
">\n\nThat the article you posted doesn't say what you think does?",
">\n\nIn Brazil? It ends with Bolsonaro back in power and decades of authoritarian rule.",
">\n\nStop posting misinformation. Maybe the conspiracy sub will fit you better?",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.",
">\n\nThis is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nWe should tolerate fascism less. Its nuts that that most of instigators of Jan 6 among the US political class or their clients in the mass media who gave oxygen to their lunacy have faced zero consequences. Hopefully Brazilian justice system acts more decisively. You're either for democracy - flawed or not - or your for some kind of totalitarian fascist state.",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.",
">\n\nI did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?\nI assume you mean \"The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin\"\nDon't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are \"against corruption\" in Latin America is just what they alway say",
">\n\nYea and the US says they're fighting corruption when they install right wingers. The fact that the Biden admin recognizes guaido in Venezuela proves that democrats also work to undemocratically install right wingers in Latin America.",
">\n\nBro, stop thinking in terms of political parties. The US is pro maintaing global financial hegemony, and that's it. There is no Democrats or Republucans when it comes to foreign policy (except some weird putin dick sucking on the republican side and the fact the Democrats have a few humans who recognise palastine). The rest is just US foreign policy, you are clearly way to partisan and you need to touch some grass. Remember everyone in power hates you and me. They are not your friend. And your weird obsession with ThE DeMs is hilarious",
">\n\nWhat are you even arguing about lol? I'm saying dems support right wing dictators which you seem to agree with. So what's your point?",
">\n\nThat the article you posted doesn't say what you think does?"
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"This is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.",
">\n\nI did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?\nI assume you mean \"The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin\"\nDon't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are \"against corruption\" in Latin America is just what they alway say",
">\n\nYea and the US says they're fighting corruption when they install right wingers. The fact that the Biden admin recognizes guaido in Venezuela proves that democrats also work to undemocratically install right wingers in Latin America.",
">\n\nBro, stop thinking in terms of political parties. The US is pro maintaing global financial hegemony, and that's it. There is no Democrats or Republucans when it comes to foreign policy (except some weird putin dick sucking on the republican side and the fact the Democrats have a few humans who recognise palastine). The rest is just US foreign policy, you are clearly way to partisan and you need to touch some grass. Remember everyone in power hates you and me. They are not your friend. And your weird obsession with ThE DeMs is hilarious",
">\n\nWhat are you even arguing about lol? I'm saying dems support right wing dictators which you seem to agree with. So what's your point?",
">\n\nThat the article you posted doesn't say what you think does?",
">\n\nIn Brazil? It ends with Bolsonaro back in power and decades of authoritarian rule.",
">\n\nStop posting misinformation. Maybe the conspiracy sub will fit you better?",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.",
">\n\nThis is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nWe should tolerate fascism less. Its nuts that that most of instigators of Jan 6 among the US political class or their clients in the mass media who gave oxygen to their lunacy have faced zero consequences. Hopefully Brazilian justice system acts more decisively. You're either for democracy - flawed or not - or your for some kind of totalitarian fascist state.",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.",
">\n\nI did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?\nI assume you mean \"The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin\"\nDon't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are \"against corruption\" in Latin America is just what they alway say",
">\n\nYea and the US says they're fighting corruption when they install right wingers. The fact that the Biden admin recognizes guaido in Venezuela proves that democrats also work to undemocratically install right wingers in Latin America.",
">\n\nBro, stop thinking in terms of political parties. The US is pro maintaing global financial hegemony, and that's it. There is no Democrats or Republucans when it comes to foreign policy (except some weird putin dick sucking on the republican side and the fact the Democrats have a few humans who recognise palastine). The rest is just US foreign policy, you are clearly way to partisan and you need to touch some grass. Remember everyone in power hates you and me. They are not your friend. And your weird obsession with ThE DeMs is hilarious",
">\n\nWhat are you even arguing about lol? I'm saying dems support right wing dictators which you seem to agree with. So what's your point?",
">\n\nThat the article you posted doesn't say what you think does?",
">\n\nIn Brazil? It ends with Bolsonaro back in power and decades of authoritarian rule."
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This is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.
But Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.
Now, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers.
This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.
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[
"This is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.",
">\n\nI did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?\nI assume you mean \"The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin\"\nDon't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are \"against corruption\" in Latin America is just what they alway say",
">\n\nYea and the US says they're fighting corruption when they install right wingers. The fact that the Biden admin recognizes guaido in Venezuela proves that democrats also work to undemocratically install right wingers in Latin America.",
">\n\nBro, stop thinking in terms of political parties. The US is pro maintaing global financial hegemony, and that's it. There is no Democrats or Republucans when it comes to foreign policy (except some weird putin dick sucking on the republican side and the fact the Democrats have a few humans who recognise palastine). The rest is just US foreign policy, you are clearly way to partisan and you need to touch some grass. Remember everyone in power hates you and me. They are not your friend. And your weird obsession with ThE DeMs is hilarious",
">\n\nWhat are you even arguing about lol? I'm saying dems support right wing dictators which you seem to agree with. So what's your point?",
">\n\nThat the article you posted doesn't say what you think does?",
">\n\nIn Brazil? It ends with Bolsonaro back in power and decades of authoritarian rule.",
">\n\nStop posting misinformation. Maybe the conspiracy sub will fit you better?",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.",
">\n\nThis is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nWe should tolerate fascism less. Its nuts that that most of instigators of Jan 6 among the US political class or their clients in the mass media who gave oxygen to their lunacy have faced zero consequences. Hopefully Brazilian justice system acts more decisively. You're either for democracy - flawed or not - or your for some kind of totalitarian fascist state.",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.",
">\n\nI did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?\nI assume you mean \"The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin\"\nDon't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are \"against corruption\" in Latin America is just what they alway say",
">\n\nYea and the US says they're fighting corruption when they install right wingers. The fact that the Biden admin recognizes guaido in Venezuela proves that democrats also work to undemocratically install right wingers in Latin America.",
">\n\nBro, stop thinking in terms of political parties. The US is pro maintaing global financial hegemony, and that's it. There is no Democrats or Republucans when it comes to foreign policy (except some weird putin dick sucking on the republican side and the fact the Democrats have a few humans who recognise palastine). The rest is just US foreign policy, you are clearly way to partisan and you need to touch some grass. Remember everyone in power hates you and me. They are not your friend. And your weird obsession with ThE DeMs is hilarious",
">\n\nWhat are you even arguing about lol? I'm saying dems support right wing dictators which you seem to agree with. So what's your point?",
">\n\nThat the article you posted doesn't say what you think does?",
">\n\nIn Brazil? It ends with Bolsonaro back in power and decades of authoritarian rule.",
">\n\nStop posting misinformation. Maybe the conspiracy sub will fit you better?"
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The game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.
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"This is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.",
">\n\nI did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?\nI assume you mean \"The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin\"\nDon't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are \"against corruption\" in Latin America is just what they alway say",
">\n\nYea and the US says they're fighting corruption when they install right wingers. The fact that the Biden admin recognizes guaido in Venezuela proves that democrats also work to undemocratically install right wingers in Latin America.",
">\n\nBro, stop thinking in terms of political parties. The US is pro maintaing global financial hegemony, and that's it. There is no Democrats or Republucans when it comes to foreign policy (except some weird putin dick sucking on the republican side and the fact the Democrats have a few humans who recognise palastine). The rest is just US foreign policy, you are clearly way to partisan and you need to touch some grass. Remember everyone in power hates you and me. They are not your friend. And your weird obsession with ThE DeMs is hilarious",
">\n\nWhat are you even arguing about lol? I'm saying dems support right wing dictators which you seem to agree with. So what's your point?",
">\n\nThat the article you posted doesn't say what you think does?",
">\n\nIn Brazil? It ends with Bolsonaro back in power and decades of authoritarian rule.",
">\n\nStop posting misinformation. Maybe the conspiracy sub will fit you better?",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.",
">\n\nThis is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nWe should tolerate fascism less. Its nuts that that most of instigators of Jan 6 among the US political class or their clients in the mass media who gave oxygen to their lunacy have faced zero consequences. Hopefully Brazilian justice system acts more decisively. You're either for democracy - flawed or not - or your for some kind of totalitarian fascist state.",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.",
">\n\nI did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?\nI assume you mean \"The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin\"\nDon't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are \"against corruption\" in Latin America is just what they alway say",
">\n\nYea and the US says they're fighting corruption when they install right wingers. The fact that the Biden admin recognizes guaido in Venezuela proves that democrats also work to undemocratically install right wingers in Latin America.",
">\n\nBro, stop thinking in terms of political parties. The US is pro maintaing global financial hegemony, and that's it. There is no Democrats or Republucans when it comes to foreign policy (except some weird putin dick sucking on the republican side and the fact the Democrats have a few humans who recognise palastine). The rest is just US foreign policy, you are clearly way to partisan and you need to touch some grass. Remember everyone in power hates you and me. They are not your friend. And your weird obsession with ThE DeMs is hilarious",
">\n\nWhat are you even arguing about lol? I'm saying dems support right wing dictators which you seem to agree with. So what's your point?",
">\n\nThat the article you posted doesn't say what you think does?",
">\n\nIn Brazil? It ends with Bolsonaro back in power and decades of authoritarian rule.",
">\n\nStop posting misinformation. Maybe the conspiracy sub will fit you better?",
">\n\nThis is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures."
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The military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.
It is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.
The right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, "both sides are the same" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning "moderates" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.
In the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.
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"This is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.",
">\n\nI did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?\nI assume you mean \"The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin\"\nDon't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are \"against corruption\" in Latin America is just what they alway say",
">\n\nYea and the US says they're fighting corruption when they install right wingers. The fact that the Biden admin recognizes guaido in Venezuela proves that democrats also work to undemocratically install right wingers in Latin America.",
">\n\nBro, stop thinking in terms of political parties. The US is pro maintaing global financial hegemony, and that's it. There is no Democrats or Republucans when it comes to foreign policy (except some weird putin dick sucking on the republican side and the fact the Democrats have a few humans who recognise palastine). The rest is just US foreign policy, you are clearly way to partisan and you need to touch some grass. Remember everyone in power hates you and me. They are not your friend. And your weird obsession with ThE DeMs is hilarious",
">\n\nWhat are you even arguing about lol? I'm saying dems support right wing dictators which you seem to agree with. So what's your point?",
">\n\nThat the article you posted doesn't say what you think does?",
">\n\nIn Brazil? It ends with Bolsonaro back in power and decades of authoritarian rule.",
">\n\nStop posting misinformation. Maybe the conspiracy sub will fit you better?",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.",
">\n\nThis is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nWe should tolerate fascism less. Its nuts that that most of instigators of Jan 6 among the US political class or their clients in the mass media who gave oxygen to their lunacy have faced zero consequences. Hopefully Brazilian justice system acts more decisively. You're either for democracy - flawed or not - or your for some kind of totalitarian fascist state.",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.",
">\n\nI did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?\nI assume you mean \"The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin\"\nDon't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are \"against corruption\" in Latin America is just what they alway say",
">\n\nYea and the US says they're fighting corruption when they install right wingers. The fact that the Biden admin recognizes guaido in Venezuela proves that democrats also work to undemocratically install right wingers in Latin America.",
">\n\nBro, stop thinking in terms of political parties. The US is pro maintaing global financial hegemony, and that's it. There is no Democrats or Republucans when it comes to foreign policy (except some weird putin dick sucking on the republican side and the fact the Democrats have a few humans who recognise palastine). The rest is just US foreign policy, you are clearly way to partisan and you need to touch some grass. Remember everyone in power hates you and me. They are not your friend. And your weird obsession with ThE DeMs is hilarious",
">\n\nWhat are you even arguing about lol? I'm saying dems support right wing dictators which you seem to agree with. So what's your point?",
">\n\nThat the article you posted doesn't say what you think does?",
">\n\nIn Brazil? It ends with Bolsonaro back in power and decades of authoritarian rule.",
">\n\nStop posting misinformation. Maybe the conspiracy sub will fit you better?",
">\n\nThis is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation."
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..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this)
Don’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.
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"This is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.",
">\n\nI did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?\nI assume you mean \"The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin\"\nDon't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are \"against corruption\" in Latin America is just what they alway say",
">\n\nYea and the US says they're fighting corruption when they install right wingers. The fact that the Biden admin recognizes guaido in Venezuela proves that democrats also work to undemocratically install right wingers in Latin America.",
">\n\nBro, stop thinking in terms of political parties. The US is pro maintaing global financial hegemony, and that's it. There is no Democrats or Republucans when it comes to foreign policy (except some weird putin dick sucking on the republican side and the fact the Democrats have a few humans who recognise palastine). The rest is just US foreign policy, you are clearly way to partisan and you need to touch some grass. Remember everyone in power hates you and me. They are not your friend. And your weird obsession with ThE DeMs is hilarious",
">\n\nWhat are you even arguing about lol? I'm saying dems support right wing dictators which you seem to agree with. So what's your point?",
">\n\nThat the article you posted doesn't say what you think does?",
">\n\nIn Brazil? It ends with Bolsonaro back in power and decades of authoritarian rule.",
">\n\nStop posting misinformation. Maybe the conspiracy sub will fit you better?",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.",
">\n\nThis is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nWe should tolerate fascism less. Its nuts that that most of instigators of Jan 6 among the US political class or their clients in the mass media who gave oxygen to their lunacy have faced zero consequences. Hopefully Brazilian justice system acts more decisively. You're either for democracy - flawed or not - or your for some kind of totalitarian fascist state.",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.",
">\n\nI did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?\nI assume you mean \"The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin\"\nDon't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are \"against corruption\" in Latin America is just what they alway say",
">\n\nYea and the US says they're fighting corruption when they install right wingers. The fact that the Biden admin recognizes guaido in Venezuela proves that democrats also work to undemocratically install right wingers in Latin America.",
">\n\nBro, stop thinking in terms of political parties. The US is pro maintaing global financial hegemony, and that's it. There is no Democrats or Republucans when it comes to foreign policy (except some weird putin dick sucking on the republican side and the fact the Democrats have a few humans who recognise palastine). The rest is just US foreign policy, you are clearly way to partisan and you need to touch some grass. Remember everyone in power hates you and me. They are not your friend. And your weird obsession with ThE DeMs is hilarious",
">\n\nWhat are you even arguing about lol? I'm saying dems support right wing dictators which you seem to agree with. So what's your point?",
">\n\nThat the article you posted doesn't say what you think does?",
">\n\nIn Brazil? It ends with Bolsonaro back in power and decades of authoritarian rule.",
">\n\nStop posting misinformation. Maybe the conspiracy sub will fit you better?",
">\n\nThis is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective."
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Myanmar is ruled by a military junta, which is a whole different level of authoritarianism altogether.
Not analogous, really.
Countries that are comparable to Myanmar include Burkina Faso, Mali, etc.; not the U.S. nor Brazil.
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"This is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.",
">\n\nI did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?\nI assume you mean \"The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin\"\nDon't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are \"against corruption\" in Latin America is just what they alway say",
">\n\nYea and the US says they're fighting corruption when they install right wingers. The fact that the Biden admin recognizes guaido in Venezuela proves that democrats also work to undemocratically install right wingers in Latin America.",
">\n\nBro, stop thinking in terms of political parties. The US is pro maintaing global financial hegemony, and that's it. There is no Democrats or Republucans when it comes to foreign policy (except some weird putin dick sucking on the republican side and the fact the Democrats have a few humans who recognise palastine). The rest is just US foreign policy, you are clearly way to partisan and you need to touch some grass. Remember everyone in power hates you and me. They are not your friend. And your weird obsession with ThE DeMs is hilarious",
">\n\nWhat are you even arguing about lol? I'm saying dems support right wing dictators which you seem to agree with. So what's your point?",
">\n\nThat the article you posted doesn't say what you think does?",
">\n\nIn Brazil? It ends with Bolsonaro back in power and decades of authoritarian rule.",
">\n\nStop posting misinformation. Maybe the conspiracy sub will fit you better?",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.",
">\n\nThis is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nWe should tolerate fascism less. Its nuts that that most of instigators of Jan 6 among the US political class or their clients in the mass media who gave oxygen to their lunacy have faced zero consequences. Hopefully Brazilian justice system acts more decisively. You're either for democracy - flawed or not - or your for some kind of totalitarian fascist state.",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.",
">\n\nI did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?\nI assume you mean \"The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin\"\nDon't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are \"against corruption\" in Latin America is just what they alway say",
">\n\nYea and the US says they're fighting corruption when they install right wingers. The fact that the Biden admin recognizes guaido in Venezuela proves that democrats also work to undemocratically install right wingers in Latin America.",
">\n\nBro, stop thinking in terms of political parties. The US is pro maintaing global financial hegemony, and that's it. There is no Democrats or Republucans when it comes to foreign policy (except some weird putin dick sucking on the republican side and the fact the Democrats have a few humans who recognise palastine). The rest is just US foreign policy, you are clearly way to partisan and you need to touch some grass. Remember everyone in power hates you and me. They are not your friend. And your weird obsession with ThE DeMs is hilarious",
">\n\nWhat are you even arguing about lol? I'm saying dems support right wing dictators which you seem to agree with. So what's your point?",
">\n\nThat the article you posted doesn't say what you think does?",
">\n\nIn Brazil? It ends with Bolsonaro back in power and decades of authoritarian rule.",
">\n\nStop posting misinformation. Maybe the conspiracy sub will fit you better?",
">\n\nThis is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned."
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Yep, the coup attempts in those nations are usually credible, well planned and have some level of elite support
in the US and Brazil they were essentially just a riled up crowd of people rushing into government buildings with no organization or gameplan
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"This is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.",
">\n\nI did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?\nI assume you mean \"The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin\"\nDon't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are \"against corruption\" in Latin America is just what they alway say",
">\n\nYea and the US says they're fighting corruption when they install right wingers. The fact that the Biden admin recognizes guaido in Venezuela proves that democrats also work to undemocratically install right wingers in Latin America.",
">\n\nBro, stop thinking in terms of political parties. The US is pro maintaing global financial hegemony, and that's it. There is no Democrats or Republucans when it comes to foreign policy (except some weird putin dick sucking on the republican side and the fact the Democrats have a few humans who recognise palastine). The rest is just US foreign policy, you are clearly way to partisan and you need to touch some grass. Remember everyone in power hates you and me. They are not your friend. And your weird obsession with ThE DeMs is hilarious",
">\n\nWhat are you even arguing about lol? I'm saying dems support right wing dictators which you seem to agree with. So what's your point?",
">\n\nThat the article you posted doesn't say what you think does?",
">\n\nIn Brazil? It ends with Bolsonaro back in power and decades of authoritarian rule.",
">\n\nStop posting misinformation. Maybe the conspiracy sub will fit you better?",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.",
">\n\nThis is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nWe should tolerate fascism less. Its nuts that that most of instigators of Jan 6 among the US political class or their clients in the mass media who gave oxygen to their lunacy have faced zero consequences. Hopefully Brazilian justice system acts more decisively. You're either for democracy - flawed or not - or your for some kind of totalitarian fascist state.",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.",
">\n\nI did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?\nI assume you mean \"The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin\"\nDon't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are \"against corruption\" in Latin America is just what they alway say",
">\n\nYea and the US says they're fighting corruption when they install right wingers. The fact that the Biden admin recognizes guaido in Venezuela proves that democrats also work to undemocratically install right wingers in Latin America.",
">\n\nBro, stop thinking in terms of political parties. The US is pro maintaing global financial hegemony, and that's it. There is no Democrats or Republucans when it comes to foreign policy (except some weird putin dick sucking on the republican side and the fact the Democrats have a few humans who recognise palastine). The rest is just US foreign policy, you are clearly way to partisan and you need to touch some grass. Remember everyone in power hates you and me. They are not your friend. And your weird obsession with ThE DeMs is hilarious",
">\n\nWhat are you even arguing about lol? I'm saying dems support right wing dictators which you seem to agree with. So what's your point?",
">\n\nThat the article you posted doesn't say what you think does?",
">\n\nIn Brazil? It ends with Bolsonaro back in power and decades of authoritarian rule.",
">\n\nStop posting misinformation. Maybe the conspiracy sub will fit you better?",
">\n\nThis is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nMyanmar is ruled by a military junta, which is a whole different level of authoritarianism altogether.\nNot analogous, really.\nCountries that are comparable to Myanmar include Burkina Faso, Mali, etc.; not the U.S. nor Brazil."
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Those riled up people were not the coup attempters, just the useful idiots of the coup attempters. Don’t think the fascist are not learning lessons for 2024. Remember Hitler failed in his first attempt, spent time in prison, then about a decade later was creating concentration camps. Western liberal democracies are at a nexus point and the next decade will probably be one of constantly fighting back against authoritarianism.
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"This is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.",
">\n\nI did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?\nI assume you mean \"The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin\"\nDon't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are \"against corruption\" in Latin America is just what they alway say",
">\n\nYea and the US says they're fighting corruption when they install right wingers. The fact that the Biden admin recognizes guaido in Venezuela proves that democrats also work to undemocratically install right wingers in Latin America.",
">\n\nBro, stop thinking in terms of political parties. The US is pro maintaing global financial hegemony, and that's it. There is no Democrats or Republucans when it comes to foreign policy (except some weird putin dick sucking on the republican side and the fact the Democrats have a few humans who recognise palastine). The rest is just US foreign policy, you are clearly way to partisan and you need to touch some grass. Remember everyone in power hates you and me. They are not your friend. And your weird obsession with ThE DeMs is hilarious",
">\n\nWhat are you even arguing about lol? I'm saying dems support right wing dictators which you seem to agree with. So what's your point?",
">\n\nThat the article you posted doesn't say what you think does?",
">\n\nIn Brazil? It ends with Bolsonaro back in power and decades of authoritarian rule.",
">\n\nStop posting misinformation. Maybe the conspiracy sub will fit you better?",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.",
">\n\nThis is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nWe should tolerate fascism less. Its nuts that that most of instigators of Jan 6 among the US political class or their clients in the mass media who gave oxygen to their lunacy have faced zero consequences. Hopefully Brazilian justice system acts more decisively. You're either for democracy - flawed or not - or your for some kind of totalitarian fascist state.",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.",
">\n\nI did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?\nI assume you mean \"The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin\"\nDon't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are \"against corruption\" in Latin America is just what they alway say",
">\n\nYea and the US says they're fighting corruption when they install right wingers. The fact that the Biden admin recognizes guaido in Venezuela proves that democrats also work to undemocratically install right wingers in Latin America.",
">\n\nBro, stop thinking in terms of political parties. The US is pro maintaing global financial hegemony, and that's it. There is no Democrats or Republucans when it comes to foreign policy (except some weird putin dick sucking on the republican side and the fact the Democrats have a few humans who recognise palastine). The rest is just US foreign policy, you are clearly way to partisan and you need to touch some grass. Remember everyone in power hates you and me. They are not your friend. And your weird obsession with ThE DeMs is hilarious",
">\n\nWhat are you even arguing about lol? I'm saying dems support right wing dictators which you seem to agree with. So what's your point?",
">\n\nThat the article you posted doesn't say what you think does?",
">\n\nIn Brazil? It ends with Bolsonaro back in power and decades of authoritarian rule.",
">\n\nStop posting misinformation. Maybe the conspiracy sub will fit you better?",
">\n\nThis is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nMyanmar is ruled by a military junta, which is a whole different level of authoritarianism altogether.\nNot analogous, really.\nCountries that are comparable to Myanmar include Burkina Faso, Mali, etc.; not the U.S. nor Brazil.",
">\n\nYep, the coup attempts in those nations are usually credible, well planned and have some level of elite support\nin the US and Brazil they were essentially just a riled up crowd of people rushing into government buildings with no organization or gameplan"
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...then who exactly are the coup attempters?
Trump absolutely enflamed the situation, but I don't think he was literally asking his supporters to storm the capitol. Bolsanaro meanwhile seems even more out of it and has had basically no involvement in Brazil's coup attempt
The institutions of neither country supported the attempt
so who exactly are the puppetmasters you're referring to here lol
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"This is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.",
">\n\nI did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?\nI assume you mean \"The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin\"\nDon't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are \"against corruption\" in Latin America is just what they alway say",
">\n\nYea and the US says they're fighting corruption when they install right wingers. The fact that the Biden admin recognizes guaido in Venezuela proves that democrats also work to undemocratically install right wingers in Latin America.",
">\n\nBro, stop thinking in terms of political parties. The US is pro maintaing global financial hegemony, and that's it. There is no Democrats or Republucans when it comes to foreign policy (except some weird putin dick sucking on the republican side and the fact the Democrats have a few humans who recognise palastine). The rest is just US foreign policy, you are clearly way to partisan and you need to touch some grass. Remember everyone in power hates you and me. They are not your friend. And your weird obsession with ThE DeMs is hilarious",
">\n\nWhat are you even arguing about lol? I'm saying dems support right wing dictators which you seem to agree with. So what's your point?",
">\n\nThat the article you posted doesn't say what you think does?",
">\n\nIn Brazil? It ends with Bolsonaro back in power and decades of authoritarian rule.",
">\n\nStop posting misinformation. Maybe the conspiracy sub will fit you better?",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.",
">\n\nThis is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nWe should tolerate fascism less. Its nuts that that most of instigators of Jan 6 among the US political class or their clients in the mass media who gave oxygen to their lunacy have faced zero consequences. Hopefully Brazilian justice system acts more decisively. You're either for democracy - flawed or not - or your for some kind of totalitarian fascist state.",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.",
">\n\nI did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?\nI assume you mean \"The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin\"\nDon't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are \"against corruption\" in Latin America is just what they alway say",
">\n\nYea and the US says they're fighting corruption when they install right wingers. The fact that the Biden admin recognizes guaido in Venezuela proves that democrats also work to undemocratically install right wingers in Latin America.",
">\n\nBro, stop thinking in terms of political parties. The US is pro maintaing global financial hegemony, and that's it. There is no Democrats or Republucans when it comes to foreign policy (except some weird putin dick sucking on the republican side and the fact the Democrats have a few humans who recognise palastine). The rest is just US foreign policy, you are clearly way to partisan and you need to touch some grass. Remember everyone in power hates you and me. They are not your friend. And your weird obsession with ThE DeMs is hilarious",
">\n\nWhat are you even arguing about lol? I'm saying dems support right wing dictators which you seem to agree with. So what's your point?",
">\n\nThat the article you posted doesn't say what you think does?",
">\n\nIn Brazil? It ends with Bolsonaro back in power and decades of authoritarian rule.",
">\n\nStop posting misinformation. Maybe the conspiracy sub will fit you better?",
">\n\nThis is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nMyanmar is ruled by a military junta, which is a whole different level of authoritarianism altogether.\nNot analogous, really.\nCountries that are comparable to Myanmar include Burkina Faso, Mali, etc.; not the U.S. nor Brazil.",
">\n\nYep, the coup attempts in those nations are usually credible, well planned and have some level of elite support\nin the US and Brazil they were essentially just a riled up crowd of people rushing into government buildings with no organization or gameplan",
">\n\nThose riled up people were not the coup attempters, just the useful idiots of the coup attempters. Don’t think the fascist are not learning lessons for 2024. Remember Hitler failed in his first attempt, spent time in prison, then about a decade later was creating concentration camps. Western liberal democracies are at a nexus point and the next decade will probably be one of constantly fighting back against authoritarianism."
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The riot was the culmination of the effort. Not the self coup itself
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"This is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.",
">\n\nI did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?\nI assume you mean \"The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin\"\nDon't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are \"against corruption\" in Latin America is just what they alway say",
">\n\nYea and the US says they're fighting corruption when they install right wingers. The fact that the Biden admin recognizes guaido in Venezuela proves that democrats also work to undemocratically install right wingers in Latin America.",
">\n\nBro, stop thinking in terms of political parties. The US is pro maintaing global financial hegemony, and that's it. There is no Democrats or Republucans when it comes to foreign policy (except some weird putin dick sucking on the republican side and the fact the Democrats have a few humans who recognise palastine). The rest is just US foreign policy, you are clearly way to partisan and you need to touch some grass. Remember everyone in power hates you and me. They are not your friend. And your weird obsession with ThE DeMs is hilarious",
">\n\nWhat are you even arguing about lol? I'm saying dems support right wing dictators which you seem to agree with. So what's your point?",
">\n\nThat the article you posted doesn't say what you think does?",
">\n\nIn Brazil? It ends with Bolsonaro back in power and decades of authoritarian rule.",
">\n\nStop posting misinformation. Maybe the conspiracy sub will fit you better?",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.",
">\n\nThis is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nWe should tolerate fascism less. Its nuts that that most of instigators of Jan 6 among the US political class or their clients in the mass media who gave oxygen to their lunacy have faced zero consequences. Hopefully Brazilian justice system acts more decisively. You're either for democracy - flawed or not - or your for some kind of totalitarian fascist state.",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.",
">\n\nI did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?\nI assume you mean \"The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin\"\nDon't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are \"against corruption\" in Latin America is just what they alway say",
">\n\nYea and the US says they're fighting corruption when they install right wingers. The fact that the Biden admin recognizes guaido in Venezuela proves that democrats also work to undemocratically install right wingers in Latin America.",
">\n\nBro, stop thinking in terms of political parties. The US is pro maintaing global financial hegemony, and that's it. There is no Democrats or Republucans when it comes to foreign policy (except some weird putin dick sucking on the republican side and the fact the Democrats have a few humans who recognise palastine). The rest is just US foreign policy, you are clearly way to partisan and you need to touch some grass. Remember everyone in power hates you and me. They are not your friend. And your weird obsession with ThE DeMs is hilarious",
">\n\nWhat are you even arguing about lol? I'm saying dems support right wing dictators which you seem to agree with. So what's your point?",
">\n\nThat the article you posted doesn't say what you think does?",
">\n\nIn Brazil? It ends with Bolsonaro back in power and decades of authoritarian rule.",
">\n\nStop posting misinformation. Maybe the conspiracy sub will fit you better?",
">\n\nThis is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nMyanmar is ruled by a military junta, which is a whole different level of authoritarianism altogether.\nNot analogous, really.\nCountries that are comparable to Myanmar include Burkina Faso, Mali, etc.; not the U.S. nor Brazil.",
">\n\nYep, the coup attempts in those nations are usually credible, well planned and have some level of elite support\nin the US and Brazil they were essentially just a riled up crowd of people rushing into government buildings with no organization or gameplan",
">\n\nThose riled up people were not the coup attempters, just the useful idiots of the coup attempters. Don’t think the fascist are not learning lessons for 2024. Remember Hitler failed in his first attempt, spent time in prison, then about a decade later was creating concentration camps. Western liberal democracies are at a nexus point and the next decade will probably be one of constantly fighting back against authoritarianism.",
">\n\n...then who exactly are the coup attempters?\nTrump absolutely enflamed the situation, but I don't think he was literally asking his supporters to storm the capitol. Bolsanaro meanwhile seems even more out of it and has had basically no involvement in Brazil's coup attempt\nThe institutions of neither country supported the attempt\nso who exactly are the puppetmasters you're referring to here lol"
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Brazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!
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"This is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.",
">\n\nI did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?\nI assume you mean \"The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin\"\nDon't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are \"against corruption\" in Latin America is just what they alway say",
">\n\nYea and the US says they're fighting corruption when they install right wingers. The fact that the Biden admin recognizes guaido in Venezuela proves that democrats also work to undemocratically install right wingers in Latin America.",
">\n\nBro, stop thinking in terms of political parties. The US is pro maintaing global financial hegemony, and that's it. There is no Democrats or Republucans when it comes to foreign policy (except some weird putin dick sucking on the republican side and the fact the Democrats have a few humans who recognise palastine). The rest is just US foreign policy, you are clearly way to partisan and you need to touch some grass. Remember everyone in power hates you and me. They are not your friend. And your weird obsession with ThE DeMs is hilarious",
">\n\nWhat are you even arguing about lol? I'm saying dems support right wing dictators which you seem to agree with. So what's your point?",
">\n\nThat the article you posted doesn't say what you think does?",
">\n\nIn Brazil? It ends with Bolsonaro back in power and decades of authoritarian rule.",
">\n\nStop posting misinformation. Maybe the conspiracy sub will fit you better?",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.",
">\n\nThis is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nWe should tolerate fascism less. Its nuts that that most of instigators of Jan 6 among the US political class or their clients in the mass media who gave oxygen to their lunacy have faced zero consequences. Hopefully Brazilian justice system acts more decisively. You're either for democracy - flawed or not - or your for some kind of totalitarian fascist state.",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.",
">\n\nI did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?\nI assume you mean \"The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin\"\nDon't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are \"against corruption\" in Latin America is just what they alway say",
">\n\nYea and the US says they're fighting corruption when they install right wingers. The fact that the Biden admin recognizes guaido in Venezuela proves that democrats also work to undemocratically install right wingers in Latin America.",
">\n\nBro, stop thinking in terms of political parties. The US is pro maintaing global financial hegemony, and that's it. There is no Democrats or Republucans when it comes to foreign policy (except some weird putin dick sucking on the republican side and the fact the Democrats have a few humans who recognise palastine). The rest is just US foreign policy, you are clearly way to partisan and you need to touch some grass. Remember everyone in power hates you and me. They are not your friend. And your weird obsession with ThE DeMs is hilarious",
">\n\nWhat are you even arguing about lol? I'm saying dems support right wing dictators which you seem to agree with. So what's your point?",
">\n\nThat the article you posted doesn't say what you think does?",
">\n\nIn Brazil? It ends with Bolsonaro back in power and decades of authoritarian rule.",
">\n\nStop posting misinformation. Maybe the conspiracy sub will fit you better?",
">\n\nThis is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nMyanmar is ruled by a military junta, which is a whole different level of authoritarianism altogether.\nNot analogous, really.\nCountries that are comparable to Myanmar include Burkina Faso, Mali, etc.; not the U.S. nor Brazil.",
">\n\nYep, the coup attempts in those nations are usually credible, well planned and have some level of elite support\nin the US and Brazil they were essentially just a riled up crowd of people rushing into government buildings with no organization or gameplan",
">\n\nThose riled up people were not the coup attempters, just the useful idiots of the coup attempters. Don’t think the fascist are not learning lessons for 2024. Remember Hitler failed in his first attempt, spent time in prison, then about a decade later was creating concentration camps. Western liberal democracies are at a nexus point and the next decade will probably be one of constantly fighting back against authoritarianism.",
">\n\n...then who exactly are the coup attempters?\nTrump absolutely enflamed the situation, but I don't think he was literally asking his supporters to storm the capitol. Bolsanaro meanwhile seems even more out of it and has had basically no involvement in Brazil's coup attempt\nThe institutions of neither country supported the attempt\nso who exactly are the puppetmasters you're referring to here lol",
">\n\nThe riot was the culmination of the effort. Not the self coup itself"
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Honestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him
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"This is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.",
">\n\nI did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?\nI assume you mean \"The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin\"\nDon't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are \"against corruption\" in Latin America is just what they alway say",
">\n\nYea and the US says they're fighting corruption when they install right wingers. The fact that the Biden admin recognizes guaido in Venezuela proves that democrats also work to undemocratically install right wingers in Latin America.",
">\n\nBro, stop thinking in terms of political parties. The US is pro maintaing global financial hegemony, and that's it. There is no Democrats or Republucans when it comes to foreign policy (except some weird putin dick sucking on the republican side and the fact the Democrats have a few humans who recognise palastine). The rest is just US foreign policy, you are clearly way to partisan and you need to touch some grass. Remember everyone in power hates you and me. They are not your friend. And your weird obsession with ThE DeMs is hilarious",
">\n\nWhat are you even arguing about lol? I'm saying dems support right wing dictators which you seem to agree with. So what's your point?",
">\n\nThat the article you posted doesn't say what you think does?",
">\n\nIn Brazil? It ends with Bolsonaro back in power and decades of authoritarian rule.",
">\n\nStop posting misinformation. Maybe the conspiracy sub will fit you better?",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.",
">\n\nThis is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nWe should tolerate fascism less. Its nuts that that most of instigators of Jan 6 among the US political class or their clients in the mass media who gave oxygen to their lunacy have faced zero consequences. Hopefully Brazilian justice system acts more decisively. You're either for democracy - flawed or not - or your for some kind of totalitarian fascist state.",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.",
">\n\nI did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?\nI assume you mean \"The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin\"\nDon't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are \"against corruption\" in Latin America is just what they alway say",
">\n\nYea and the US says they're fighting corruption when they install right wingers. The fact that the Biden admin recognizes guaido in Venezuela proves that democrats also work to undemocratically install right wingers in Latin America.",
">\n\nBro, stop thinking in terms of political parties. The US is pro maintaing global financial hegemony, and that's it. There is no Democrats or Republucans when it comes to foreign policy (except some weird putin dick sucking on the republican side and the fact the Democrats have a few humans who recognise palastine). The rest is just US foreign policy, you are clearly way to partisan and you need to touch some grass. Remember everyone in power hates you and me. They are not your friend. And your weird obsession with ThE DeMs is hilarious",
">\n\nWhat are you even arguing about lol? I'm saying dems support right wing dictators which you seem to agree with. So what's your point?",
">\n\nThat the article you posted doesn't say what you think does?",
">\n\nIn Brazil? It ends with Bolsonaro back in power and decades of authoritarian rule.",
">\n\nStop posting misinformation. Maybe the conspiracy sub will fit you better?",
">\n\nThis is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nMyanmar is ruled by a military junta, which is a whole different level of authoritarianism altogether.\nNot analogous, really.\nCountries that are comparable to Myanmar include Burkina Faso, Mali, etc.; not the U.S. nor Brazil.",
">\n\nYep, the coup attempts in those nations are usually credible, well planned and have some level of elite support\nin the US and Brazil they were essentially just a riled up crowd of people rushing into government buildings with no organization or gameplan",
">\n\nThose riled up people were not the coup attempters, just the useful idiots of the coup attempters. Don’t think the fascist are not learning lessons for 2024. Remember Hitler failed in his first attempt, spent time in prison, then about a decade later was creating concentration camps. Western liberal democracies are at a nexus point and the next decade will probably be one of constantly fighting back against authoritarianism.",
">\n\n...then who exactly are the coup attempters?\nTrump absolutely enflamed the situation, but I don't think he was literally asking his supporters to storm the capitol. Bolsanaro meanwhile seems even more out of it and has had basically no involvement in Brazil's coup attempt\nThe institutions of neither country supported the attempt\nso who exactly are the puppetmasters you're referring to here lol",
">\n\nThe riot was the culmination of the effort. Not the self coup itself",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!"
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Honestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth.
In his tweeter feed he still identifies him as the President of Brasil. He has said nothing since the violence started.
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"This is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.",
">\n\nI did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?\nI assume you mean \"The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin\"\nDon't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are \"against corruption\" in Latin America is just what they alway say",
">\n\nYea and the US says they're fighting corruption when they install right wingers. The fact that the Biden admin recognizes guaido in Venezuela proves that democrats also work to undemocratically install right wingers in Latin America.",
">\n\nBro, stop thinking in terms of political parties. The US is pro maintaing global financial hegemony, and that's it. There is no Democrats or Republucans when it comes to foreign policy (except some weird putin dick sucking on the republican side and the fact the Democrats have a few humans who recognise palastine). The rest is just US foreign policy, you are clearly way to partisan and you need to touch some grass. Remember everyone in power hates you and me. They are not your friend. And your weird obsession with ThE DeMs is hilarious",
">\n\nWhat are you even arguing about lol? I'm saying dems support right wing dictators which you seem to agree with. So what's your point?",
">\n\nThat the article you posted doesn't say what you think does?",
">\n\nIn Brazil? It ends with Bolsonaro back in power and decades of authoritarian rule.",
">\n\nStop posting misinformation. Maybe the conspiracy sub will fit you better?",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.",
">\n\nThis is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nWe should tolerate fascism less. Its nuts that that most of instigators of Jan 6 among the US political class or their clients in the mass media who gave oxygen to their lunacy have faced zero consequences. Hopefully Brazilian justice system acts more decisively. You're either for democracy - flawed or not - or your for some kind of totalitarian fascist state.",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.",
">\n\nI did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?\nI assume you mean \"The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin\"\nDon't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are \"against corruption\" in Latin America is just what they alway say",
">\n\nYea and the US says they're fighting corruption when they install right wingers. The fact that the Biden admin recognizes guaido in Venezuela proves that democrats also work to undemocratically install right wingers in Latin America.",
">\n\nBro, stop thinking in terms of political parties. The US is pro maintaing global financial hegemony, and that's it. There is no Democrats or Republucans when it comes to foreign policy (except some weird putin dick sucking on the republican side and the fact the Democrats have a few humans who recognise palastine). The rest is just US foreign policy, you are clearly way to partisan and you need to touch some grass. Remember everyone in power hates you and me. They are not your friend. And your weird obsession with ThE DeMs is hilarious",
">\n\nWhat are you even arguing about lol? I'm saying dems support right wing dictators which you seem to agree with. So what's your point?",
">\n\nThat the article you posted doesn't say what you think does?",
">\n\nIn Brazil? It ends with Bolsonaro back in power and decades of authoritarian rule.",
">\n\nStop posting misinformation. Maybe the conspiracy sub will fit you better?",
">\n\nThis is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nMyanmar is ruled by a military junta, which is a whole different level of authoritarianism altogether.\nNot analogous, really.\nCountries that are comparable to Myanmar include Burkina Faso, Mali, etc.; not the U.S. nor Brazil.",
">\n\nYep, the coup attempts in those nations are usually credible, well planned and have some level of elite support\nin the US and Brazil they were essentially just a riled up crowd of people rushing into government buildings with no organization or gameplan",
">\n\nThose riled up people were not the coup attempters, just the useful idiots of the coup attempters. Don’t think the fascist are not learning lessons for 2024. Remember Hitler failed in his first attempt, spent time in prison, then about a decade later was creating concentration camps. Western liberal democracies are at a nexus point and the next decade will probably be one of constantly fighting back against authoritarianism.",
">\n\n...then who exactly are the coup attempters?\nTrump absolutely enflamed the situation, but I don't think he was literally asking his supporters to storm the capitol. Bolsanaro meanwhile seems even more out of it and has had basically no involvement in Brazil's coup attempt\nThe institutions of neither country supported the attempt\nso who exactly are the puppetmasters you're referring to here lol",
">\n\nThe riot was the culmination of the effort. Not the self coup itself",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him"
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He has said nothing since the violence started.
What? He literally has tho
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"This is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.",
">\n\nI did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?\nI assume you mean \"The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin\"\nDon't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are \"against corruption\" in Latin America is just what they alway say",
">\n\nYea and the US says they're fighting corruption when they install right wingers. The fact that the Biden admin recognizes guaido in Venezuela proves that democrats also work to undemocratically install right wingers in Latin America.",
">\n\nBro, stop thinking in terms of political parties. The US is pro maintaing global financial hegemony, and that's it. There is no Democrats or Republucans when it comes to foreign policy (except some weird putin dick sucking on the republican side and the fact the Democrats have a few humans who recognise palastine). The rest is just US foreign policy, you are clearly way to partisan and you need to touch some grass. Remember everyone in power hates you and me. They are not your friend. And your weird obsession with ThE DeMs is hilarious",
">\n\nWhat are you even arguing about lol? I'm saying dems support right wing dictators which you seem to agree with. So what's your point?",
">\n\nThat the article you posted doesn't say what you think does?",
">\n\nIn Brazil? It ends with Bolsonaro back in power and decades of authoritarian rule.",
">\n\nStop posting misinformation. Maybe the conspiracy sub will fit you better?",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.",
">\n\nThis is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nWe should tolerate fascism less. Its nuts that that most of instigators of Jan 6 among the US political class or their clients in the mass media who gave oxygen to their lunacy have faced zero consequences. Hopefully Brazilian justice system acts more decisively. You're either for democracy - flawed or not - or your for some kind of totalitarian fascist state.",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.",
">\n\nI did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?\nI assume you mean \"The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin\"\nDon't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are \"against corruption\" in Latin America is just what they alway say",
">\n\nYea and the US says they're fighting corruption when they install right wingers. The fact that the Biden admin recognizes guaido in Venezuela proves that democrats also work to undemocratically install right wingers in Latin America.",
">\n\nBro, stop thinking in terms of political parties. The US is pro maintaing global financial hegemony, and that's it. There is no Democrats or Republucans when it comes to foreign policy (except some weird putin dick sucking on the republican side and the fact the Democrats have a few humans who recognise palastine). The rest is just US foreign policy, you are clearly way to partisan and you need to touch some grass. Remember everyone in power hates you and me. They are not your friend. And your weird obsession with ThE DeMs is hilarious",
">\n\nWhat are you even arguing about lol? I'm saying dems support right wing dictators which you seem to agree with. So what's your point?",
">\n\nThat the article you posted doesn't say what you think does?",
">\n\nIn Brazil? It ends with Bolsonaro back in power and decades of authoritarian rule.",
">\n\nStop posting misinformation. Maybe the conspiracy sub will fit you better?",
">\n\nThis is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nMyanmar is ruled by a military junta, which is a whole different level of authoritarianism altogether.\nNot analogous, really.\nCountries that are comparable to Myanmar include Burkina Faso, Mali, etc.; not the U.S. nor Brazil.",
">\n\nYep, the coup attempts in those nations are usually credible, well planned and have some level of elite support\nin the US and Brazil they were essentially just a riled up crowd of people rushing into government buildings with no organization or gameplan",
">\n\nThose riled up people were not the coup attempters, just the useful idiots of the coup attempters. Don’t think the fascist are not learning lessons for 2024. Remember Hitler failed in his first attempt, spent time in prison, then about a decade later was creating concentration camps. Western liberal democracies are at a nexus point and the next decade will probably be one of constantly fighting back against authoritarianism.",
">\n\n...then who exactly are the coup attempters?\nTrump absolutely enflamed the situation, but I don't think he was literally asking his supporters to storm the capitol. Bolsanaro meanwhile seems even more out of it and has had basically no involvement in Brazil's coup attempt\nThe institutions of neither country supported the attempt\nso who exactly are the puppetmasters you're referring to here lol",
">\n\nThe riot was the culmination of the effort. Not the self coup itself",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth.\n\nIn his tweeter feed he still identifies him as the President of Brasil. He has said nothing since the violence started."
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I think it will play out similarly:
His supporters are genuinely furious he lost.
They're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.
Brazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.
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"This is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.",
">\n\nI did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?\nI assume you mean \"The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin\"\nDon't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are \"against corruption\" in Latin America is just what they alway say",
">\n\nYea and the US says they're fighting corruption when they install right wingers. The fact that the Biden admin recognizes guaido in Venezuela proves that democrats also work to undemocratically install right wingers in Latin America.",
">\n\nBro, stop thinking in terms of political parties. The US is pro maintaing global financial hegemony, and that's it. There is no Democrats or Republucans when it comes to foreign policy (except some weird putin dick sucking on the republican side and the fact the Democrats have a few humans who recognise palastine). The rest is just US foreign policy, you are clearly way to partisan and you need to touch some grass. Remember everyone in power hates you and me. They are not your friend. And your weird obsession with ThE DeMs is hilarious",
">\n\nWhat are you even arguing about lol? I'm saying dems support right wing dictators which you seem to agree with. So what's your point?",
">\n\nThat the article you posted doesn't say what you think does?",
">\n\nIn Brazil? It ends with Bolsonaro back in power and decades of authoritarian rule.",
">\n\nStop posting misinformation. Maybe the conspiracy sub will fit you better?",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.",
">\n\nThis is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nWe should tolerate fascism less. Its nuts that that most of instigators of Jan 6 among the US political class or their clients in the mass media who gave oxygen to their lunacy have faced zero consequences. Hopefully Brazilian justice system acts more decisively. You're either for democracy - flawed or not - or your for some kind of totalitarian fascist state.",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.",
">\n\nI did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?\nI assume you mean \"The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin\"\nDon't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are \"against corruption\" in Latin America is just what they alway say",
">\n\nYea and the US says they're fighting corruption when they install right wingers. The fact that the Biden admin recognizes guaido in Venezuela proves that democrats also work to undemocratically install right wingers in Latin America.",
">\n\nBro, stop thinking in terms of political parties. The US is pro maintaing global financial hegemony, and that's it. There is no Democrats or Republucans when it comes to foreign policy (except some weird putin dick sucking on the republican side and the fact the Democrats have a few humans who recognise palastine). The rest is just US foreign policy, you are clearly way to partisan and you need to touch some grass. Remember everyone in power hates you and me. They are not your friend. And your weird obsession with ThE DeMs is hilarious",
">\n\nWhat are you even arguing about lol? I'm saying dems support right wing dictators which you seem to agree with. So what's your point?",
">\n\nThat the article you posted doesn't say what you think does?",
">\n\nIn Brazil? It ends with Bolsonaro back in power and decades of authoritarian rule.",
">\n\nStop posting misinformation. Maybe the conspiracy sub will fit you better?",
">\n\nThis is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nMyanmar is ruled by a military junta, which is a whole different level of authoritarianism altogether.\nNot analogous, really.\nCountries that are comparable to Myanmar include Burkina Faso, Mali, etc.; not the U.S. nor Brazil.",
">\n\nYep, the coup attempts in those nations are usually credible, well planned and have some level of elite support\nin the US and Brazil they were essentially just a riled up crowd of people rushing into government buildings with no organization or gameplan",
">\n\nThose riled up people were not the coup attempters, just the useful idiots of the coup attempters. Don’t think the fascist are not learning lessons for 2024. Remember Hitler failed in his first attempt, spent time in prison, then about a decade later was creating concentration camps. Western liberal democracies are at a nexus point and the next decade will probably be one of constantly fighting back against authoritarianism.",
">\n\n...then who exactly are the coup attempters?\nTrump absolutely enflamed the situation, but I don't think he was literally asking his supporters to storm the capitol. Bolsanaro meanwhile seems even more out of it and has had basically no involvement in Brazil's coup attempt\nThe institutions of neither country supported the attempt\nso who exactly are the puppetmasters you're referring to here lol",
">\n\nThe riot was the culmination of the effort. Not the self coup itself",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth.\n\nIn his tweeter feed he still identifies him as the President of Brasil. He has said nothing since the violence started.",
">\n\n\nHe has said nothing since the violence started.\n\nWhat? He literally has tho"
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Did American politics really resume "as normal", though? Haven't alt-right and conservatives gotten worse?
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"This is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.",
">\n\nI did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?\nI assume you mean \"The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin\"\nDon't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are \"against corruption\" in Latin America is just what they alway say",
">\n\nYea and the US says they're fighting corruption when they install right wingers. The fact that the Biden admin recognizes guaido in Venezuela proves that democrats also work to undemocratically install right wingers in Latin America.",
">\n\nBro, stop thinking in terms of political parties. The US is pro maintaing global financial hegemony, and that's it. There is no Democrats or Republucans when it comes to foreign policy (except some weird putin dick sucking on the republican side and the fact the Democrats have a few humans who recognise palastine). The rest is just US foreign policy, you are clearly way to partisan and you need to touch some grass. Remember everyone in power hates you and me. They are not your friend. And your weird obsession with ThE DeMs is hilarious",
">\n\nWhat are you even arguing about lol? I'm saying dems support right wing dictators which you seem to agree with. So what's your point?",
">\n\nThat the article you posted doesn't say what you think does?",
">\n\nIn Brazil? It ends with Bolsonaro back in power and decades of authoritarian rule.",
">\n\nStop posting misinformation. Maybe the conspiracy sub will fit you better?",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.",
">\n\nThis is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nWe should tolerate fascism less. Its nuts that that most of instigators of Jan 6 among the US political class or their clients in the mass media who gave oxygen to their lunacy have faced zero consequences. Hopefully Brazilian justice system acts more decisively. You're either for democracy - flawed or not - or your for some kind of totalitarian fascist state.",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.",
">\n\nI did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?\nI assume you mean \"The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin\"\nDon't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are \"against corruption\" in Latin America is just what they alway say",
">\n\nYea and the US says they're fighting corruption when they install right wingers. The fact that the Biden admin recognizes guaido in Venezuela proves that democrats also work to undemocratically install right wingers in Latin America.",
">\n\nBro, stop thinking in terms of political parties. The US is pro maintaing global financial hegemony, and that's it. There is no Democrats or Republucans when it comes to foreign policy (except some weird putin dick sucking on the republican side and the fact the Democrats have a few humans who recognise palastine). The rest is just US foreign policy, you are clearly way to partisan and you need to touch some grass. Remember everyone in power hates you and me. They are not your friend. And your weird obsession with ThE DeMs is hilarious",
">\n\nWhat are you even arguing about lol? I'm saying dems support right wing dictators which you seem to agree with. So what's your point?",
">\n\nThat the article you posted doesn't say what you think does?",
">\n\nIn Brazil? It ends with Bolsonaro back in power and decades of authoritarian rule.",
">\n\nStop posting misinformation. Maybe the conspiracy sub will fit you better?",
">\n\nThis is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nMyanmar is ruled by a military junta, which is a whole different level of authoritarianism altogether.\nNot analogous, really.\nCountries that are comparable to Myanmar include Burkina Faso, Mali, etc.; not the U.S. nor Brazil.",
">\n\nYep, the coup attempts in those nations are usually credible, well planned and have some level of elite support\nin the US and Brazil they were essentially just a riled up crowd of people rushing into government buildings with no organization or gameplan",
">\n\nThose riled up people were not the coup attempters, just the useful idiots of the coup attempters. Don’t think the fascist are not learning lessons for 2024. Remember Hitler failed in his first attempt, spent time in prison, then about a decade later was creating concentration camps. Western liberal democracies are at a nexus point and the next decade will probably be one of constantly fighting back against authoritarianism.",
">\n\n...then who exactly are the coup attempters?\nTrump absolutely enflamed the situation, but I don't think he was literally asking his supporters to storm the capitol. Bolsanaro meanwhile seems even more out of it and has had basically no involvement in Brazil's coup attempt\nThe institutions of neither country supported the attempt\nso who exactly are the puppetmasters you're referring to here lol",
">\n\nThe riot was the culmination of the effort. Not the self coup itself",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth.\n\nIn his tweeter feed he still identifies him as the President of Brasil. He has said nothing since the violence started.",
">\n\n\nHe has said nothing since the violence started.\n\nWhat? He literally has tho",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over."
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Considering the outcome of the '22 mid-terms, it's definitely not normal because Republicans should have swung the House by several dozen seats and won a majority back in the Senate. So yes, alt-right and conservatives have gotten worse and it appears that a growing portion of the American electorate has lost patience with them.
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"This is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.",
">\n\nI did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?\nI assume you mean \"The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin\"\nDon't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are \"against corruption\" in Latin America is just what they alway say",
">\n\nYea and the US says they're fighting corruption when they install right wingers. The fact that the Biden admin recognizes guaido in Venezuela proves that democrats also work to undemocratically install right wingers in Latin America.",
">\n\nBro, stop thinking in terms of political parties. The US is pro maintaing global financial hegemony, and that's it. There is no Democrats or Republucans when it comes to foreign policy (except some weird putin dick sucking on the republican side and the fact the Democrats have a few humans who recognise palastine). The rest is just US foreign policy, you are clearly way to partisan and you need to touch some grass. Remember everyone in power hates you and me. They are not your friend. And your weird obsession with ThE DeMs is hilarious",
">\n\nWhat are you even arguing about lol? I'm saying dems support right wing dictators which you seem to agree with. So what's your point?",
">\n\nThat the article you posted doesn't say what you think does?",
">\n\nIn Brazil? It ends with Bolsonaro back in power and decades of authoritarian rule.",
">\n\nStop posting misinformation. Maybe the conspiracy sub will fit you better?",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.",
">\n\nThis is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nWe should tolerate fascism less. Its nuts that that most of instigators of Jan 6 among the US political class or their clients in the mass media who gave oxygen to their lunacy have faced zero consequences. Hopefully Brazilian justice system acts more decisively. You're either for democracy - flawed or not - or your for some kind of totalitarian fascist state.",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.",
">\n\nI did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?\nI assume you mean \"The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin\"\nDon't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are \"against corruption\" in Latin America is just what they alway say",
">\n\nYea and the US says they're fighting corruption when they install right wingers. The fact that the Biden admin recognizes guaido in Venezuela proves that democrats also work to undemocratically install right wingers in Latin America.",
">\n\nBro, stop thinking in terms of political parties. The US is pro maintaing global financial hegemony, and that's it. There is no Democrats or Republucans when it comes to foreign policy (except some weird putin dick sucking on the republican side and the fact the Democrats have a few humans who recognise palastine). The rest is just US foreign policy, you are clearly way to partisan and you need to touch some grass. Remember everyone in power hates you and me. They are not your friend. And your weird obsession with ThE DeMs is hilarious",
">\n\nWhat are you even arguing about lol? I'm saying dems support right wing dictators which you seem to agree with. So what's your point?",
">\n\nThat the article you posted doesn't say what you think does?",
">\n\nIn Brazil? It ends with Bolsonaro back in power and decades of authoritarian rule.",
">\n\nStop posting misinformation. Maybe the conspiracy sub will fit you better?",
">\n\nThis is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nMyanmar is ruled by a military junta, which is a whole different level of authoritarianism altogether.\nNot analogous, really.\nCountries that are comparable to Myanmar include Burkina Faso, Mali, etc.; not the U.S. nor Brazil.",
">\n\nYep, the coup attempts in those nations are usually credible, well planned and have some level of elite support\nin the US and Brazil they were essentially just a riled up crowd of people rushing into government buildings with no organization or gameplan",
">\n\nThose riled up people were not the coup attempters, just the useful idiots of the coup attempters. Don’t think the fascist are not learning lessons for 2024. Remember Hitler failed in his first attempt, spent time in prison, then about a decade later was creating concentration camps. Western liberal democracies are at a nexus point and the next decade will probably be one of constantly fighting back against authoritarianism.",
">\n\n...then who exactly are the coup attempters?\nTrump absolutely enflamed the situation, but I don't think he was literally asking his supporters to storm the capitol. Bolsanaro meanwhile seems even more out of it and has had basically no involvement in Brazil's coup attempt\nThe institutions of neither country supported the attempt\nso who exactly are the puppetmasters you're referring to here lol",
">\n\nThe riot was the culmination of the effort. Not the self coup itself",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth.\n\nIn his tweeter feed he still identifies him as the President of Brasil. He has said nothing since the violence started.",
">\n\n\nHe has said nothing since the violence started.\n\nWhat? He literally has tho",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nDid American politics really resume \"as normal\", though? Haven't alt-right and conservatives gotten worse?"
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"This is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.",
">\n\nI did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?\nI assume you mean \"The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin\"\nDon't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are \"against corruption\" in Latin America is just what they alway say",
">\n\nYea and the US says they're fighting corruption when they install right wingers. The fact that the Biden admin recognizes guaido in Venezuela proves that democrats also work to undemocratically install right wingers in Latin America.",
">\n\nBro, stop thinking in terms of political parties. The US is pro maintaing global financial hegemony, and that's it. There is no Democrats or Republucans when it comes to foreign policy (except some weird putin dick sucking on the republican side and the fact the Democrats have a few humans who recognise palastine). The rest is just US foreign policy, you are clearly way to partisan and you need to touch some grass. Remember everyone in power hates you and me. They are not your friend. And your weird obsession with ThE DeMs is hilarious",
">\n\nWhat are you even arguing about lol? I'm saying dems support right wing dictators which you seem to agree with. So what's your point?",
">\n\nThat the article you posted doesn't say what you think does?",
">\n\nIn Brazil? It ends with Bolsonaro back in power and decades of authoritarian rule.",
">\n\nStop posting misinformation. Maybe the conspiracy sub will fit you better?",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.",
">\n\nThis is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nWe should tolerate fascism less. Its nuts that that most of instigators of Jan 6 among the US political class or their clients in the mass media who gave oxygen to their lunacy have faced zero consequences. Hopefully Brazilian justice system acts more decisively. You're either for democracy - flawed or not - or your for some kind of totalitarian fascist state.",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.",
">\n\nI did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?\nI assume you mean \"The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin\"\nDon't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are \"against corruption\" in Latin America is just what they alway say",
">\n\nYea and the US says they're fighting corruption when they install right wingers. The fact that the Biden admin recognizes guaido in Venezuela proves that democrats also work to undemocratically install right wingers in Latin America.",
">\n\nBro, stop thinking in terms of political parties. The US is pro maintaing global financial hegemony, and that's it. There is no Democrats or Republucans when it comes to foreign policy (except some weird putin dick sucking on the republican side and the fact the Democrats have a few humans who recognise palastine). The rest is just US foreign policy, you are clearly way to partisan and you need to touch some grass. Remember everyone in power hates you and me. They are not your friend. And your weird obsession with ThE DeMs is hilarious",
">\n\nWhat are you even arguing about lol? I'm saying dems support right wing dictators which you seem to agree with. So what's your point?",
">\n\nThat the article you posted doesn't say what you think does?",
">\n\nIn Brazil? It ends with Bolsonaro back in power and decades of authoritarian rule.",
">\n\nStop posting misinformation. Maybe the conspiracy sub will fit you better?",
">\n\nThis is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nMyanmar is ruled by a military junta, which is a whole different level of authoritarianism altogether.\nNot analogous, really.\nCountries that are comparable to Myanmar include Burkina Faso, Mali, etc.; not the U.S. nor Brazil.",
">\n\nYep, the coup attempts in those nations are usually credible, well planned and have some level of elite support\nin the US and Brazil they were essentially just a riled up crowd of people rushing into government buildings with no organization or gameplan",
">\n\nThose riled up people were not the coup attempters, just the useful idiots of the coup attempters. Don’t think the fascist are not learning lessons for 2024. Remember Hitler failed in his first attempt, spent time in prison, then about a decade later was creating concentration camps. Western liberal democracies are at a nexus point and the next decade will probably be one of constantly fighting back against authoritarianism.",
">\n\n...then who exactly are the coup attempters?\nTrump absolutely enflamed the situation, but I don't think he was literally asking his supporters to storm the capitol. Bolsanaro meanwhile seems even more out of it and has had basically no involvement in Brazil's coup attempt\nThe institutions of neither country supported the attempt\nso who exactly are the puppetmasters you're referring to here lol",
">\n\nThe riot was the culmination of the effort. Not the self coup itself",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth.\n\nIn his tweeter feed he still identifies him as the President of Brasil. He has said nothing since the violence started.",
">\n\n\nHe has said nothing since the violence started.\n\nWhat? He literally has tho",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nDid American politics really resume \"as normal\", though? Haven't alt-right and conservatives gotten worse?",
">\n\nConsidering the outcome of the '22 mid-terms, it's definitely not normal because Republicans should have swung the House by several dozen seats and won a majority back in the Senate. So yes, alt-right and conservatives have gotten worse and it appears that a growing portion of the American electorate has lost patience with them."
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Exit polling indicated that abortion was #1 priority amongst 27% of voters, which ran 5% behind inflation, an issue that Republicans should have been able to carry the election with if things were normal.
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"This is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.",
">\n\nI did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?\nI assume you mean \"The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin\"\nDon't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are \"against corruption\" in Latin America is just what they alway say",
">\n\nYea and the US says they're fighting corruption when they install right wingers. The fact that the Biden admin recognizes guaido in Venezuela proves that democrats also work to undemocratically install right wingers in Latin America.",
">\n\nBro, stop thinking in terms of political parties. The US is pro maintaing global financial hegemony, and that's it. There is no Democrats or Republucans when it comes to foreign policy (except some weird putin dick sucking on the republican side and the fact the Democrats have a few humans who recognise palastine). The rest is just US foreign policy, you are clearly way to partisan and you need to touch some grass. Remember everyone in power hates you and me. They are not your friend. And your weird obsession with ThE DeMs is hilarious",
">\n\nWhat are you even arguing about lol? I'm saying dems support right wing dictators which you seem to agree with. So what's your point?",
">\n\nThat the article you posted doesn't say what you think does?",
">\n\nIn Brazil? It ends with Bolsonaro back in power and decades of authoritarian rule.",
">\n\nStop posting misinformation. Maybe the conspiracy sub will fit you better?",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.",
">\n\nThis is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nWe should tolerate fascism less. Its nuts that that most of instigators of Jan 6 among the US political class or their clients in the mass media who gave oxygen to their lunacy have faced zero consequences. Hopefully Brazilian justice system acts more decisively. You're either for democracy - flawed or not - or your for some kind of totalitarian fascist state.",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.",
">\n\nI did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?\nI assume you mean \"The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin\"\nDon't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are \"against corruption\" in Latin America is just what they alway say",
">\n\nYea and the US says they're fighting corruption when they install right wingers. The fact that the Biden admin recognizes guaido in Venezuela proves that democrats also work to undemocratically install right wingers in Latin America.",
">\n\nBro, stop thinking in terms of political parties. The US is pro maintaing global financial hegemony, and that's it. There is no Democrats or Republucans when it comes to foreign policy (except some weird putin dick sucking on the republican side and the fact the Democrats have a few humans who recognise palastine). The rest is just US foreign policy, you are clearly way to partisan and you need to touch some grass. Remember everyone in power hates you and me. They are not your friend. And your weird obsession with ThE DeMs is hilarious",
">\n\nWhat are you even arguing about lol? I'm saying dems support right wing dictators which you seem to agree with. So what's your point?",
">\n\nThat the article you posted doesn't say what you think does?",
">\n\nIn Brazil? It ends with Bolsonaro back in power and decades of authoritarian rule.",
">\n\nStop posting misinformation. Maybe the conspiracy sub will fit you better?",
">\n\nThis is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nMyanmar is ruled by a military junta, which is a whole different level of authoritarianism altogether.\nNot analogous, really.\nCountries that are comparable to Myanmar include Burkina Faso, Mali, etc.; not the U.S. nor Brazil.",
">\n\nYep, the coup attempts in those nations are usually credible, well planned and have some level of elite support\nin the US and Brazil they were essentially just a riled up crowd of people rushing into government buildings with no organization or gameplan",
">\n\nThose riled up people were not the coup attempters, just the useful idiots of the coup attempters. Don’t think the fascist are not learning lessons for 2024. Remember Hitler failed in his first attempt, spent time in prison, then about a decade later was creating concentration camps. Western liberal democracies are at a nexus point and the next decade will probably be one of constantly fighting back against authoritarianism.",
">\n\n...then who exactly are the coup attempters?\nTrump absolutely enflamed the situation, but I don't think he was literally asking his supporters to storm the capitol. Bolsanaro meanwhile seems even more out of it and has had basically no involvement in Brazil's coup attempt\nThe institutions of neither country supported the attempt\nso who exactly are the puppetmasters you're referring to here lol",
">\n\nThe riot was the culmination of the effort. Not the self coup itself",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth.\n\nIn his tweeter feed he still identifies him as the President of Brasil. He has said nothing since the violence started.",
">\n\n\nHe has said nothing since the violence started.\n\nWhat? He literally has tho",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nDid American politics really resume \"as normal\", though? Haven't alt-right and conservatives gotten worse?",
">\n\nConsidering the outcome of the '22 mid-terms, it's definitely not normal because Republicans should have swung the House by several dozen seats and won a majority back in the Senate. So yes, alt-right and conservatives have gotten worse and it appears that a growing portion of the American electorate has lost patience with them.",
">\n\nI think 90% of that was Dobbs"
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Also, abortion could be a voter's #1 priority but not affect their vote. This is already an issue sharply divided along party lines. I'm not sure how many people voted differently due to the Supreme Court overturning abortion protections.
Economic issues aren't divided this way. Everyone wants a strong economy, they just disagree on the way to get there. So it's very possible that inflation could make an impact on the election while abortion doesn't.
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"This is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.",
">\n\nI did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?\nI assume you mean \"The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin\"\nDon't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are \"against corruption\" in Latin America is just what they alway say",
">\n\nYea and the US says they're fighting corruption when they install right wingers. The fact that the Biden admin recognizes guaido in Venezuela proves that democrats also work to undemocratically install right wingers in Latin America.",
">\n\nBro, stop thinking in terms of political parties. The US is pro maintaing global financial hegemony, and that's it. There is no Democrats or Republucans when it comes to foreign policy (except some weird putin dick sucking on the republican side and the fact the Democrats have a few humans who recognise palastine). The rest is just US foreign policy, you are clearly way to partisan and you need to touch some grass. Remember everyone in power hates you and me. They are not your friend. And your weird obsession with ThE DeMs is hilarious",
">\n\nWhat are you even arguing about lol? I'm saying dems support right wing dictators which you seem to agree with. So what's your point?",
">\n\nThat the article you posted doesn't say what you think does?",
">\n\nIn Brazil? It ends with Bolsonaro back in power and decades of authoritarian rule.",
">\n\nStop posting misinformation. Maybe the conspiracy sub will fit you better?",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.",
">\n\nThis is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nWe should tolerate fascism less. Its nuts that that most of instigators of Jan 6 among the US political class or their clients in the mass media who gave oxygen to their lunacy have faced zero consequences. Hopefully Brazilian justice system acts more decisively. You're either for democracy - flawed or not - or your for some kind of totalitarian fascist state.",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.",
">\n\nI did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?\nI assume you mean \"The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin\"\nDon't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are \"against corruption\" in Latin America is just what they alway say",
">\n\nYea and the US says they're fighting corruption when they install right wingers. The fact that the Biden admin recognizes guaido in Venezuela proves that democrats also work to undemocratically install right wingers in Latin America.",
">\n\nBro, stop thinking in terms of political parties. The US is pro maintaing global financial hegemony, and that's it. There is no Democrats or Republucans when it comes to foreign policy (except some weird putin dick sucking on the republican side and the fact the Democrats have a few humans who recognise palastine). The rest is just US foreign policy, you are clearly way to partisan and you need to touch some grass. Remember everyone in power hates you and me. They are not your friend. And your weird obsession with ThE DeMs is hilarious",
">\n\nWhat are you even arguing about lol? I'm saying dems support right wing dictators which you seem to agree with. So what's your point?",
">\n\nThat the article you posted doesn't say what you think does?",
">\n\nIn Brazil? It ends with Bolsonaro back in power and decades of authoritarian rule.",
">\n\nStop posting misinformation. Maybe the conspiracy sub will fit you better?",
">\n\nThis is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nMyanmar is ruled by a military junta, which is a whole different level of authoritarianism altogether.\nNot analogous, really.\nCountries that are comparable to Myanmar include Burkina Faso, Mali, etc.; not the U.S. nor Brazil.",
">\n\nYep, the coup attempts in those nations are usually credible, well planned and have some level of elite support\nin the US and Brazil they were essentially just a riled up crowd of people rushing into government buildings with no organization or gameplan",
">\n\nThose riled up people were not the coup attempters, just the useful idiots of the coup attempters. Don’t think the fascist are not learning lessons for 2024. Remember Hitler failed in his first attempt, spent time in prison, then about a decade later was creating concentration camps. Western liberal democracies are at a nexus point and the next decade will probably be one of constantly fighting back against authoritarianism.",
">\n\n...then who exactly are the coup attempters?\nTrump absolutely enflamed the situation, but I don't think he was literally asking his supporters to storm the capitol. Bolsanaro meanwhile seems even more out of it and has had basically no involvement in Brazil's coup attempt\nThe institutions of neither country supported the attempt\nso who exactly are the puppetmasters you're referring to here lol",
">\n\nThe riot was the culmination of the effort. Not the self coup itself",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth.\n\nIn his tweeter feed he still identifies him as the President of Brasil. He has said nothing since the violence started.",
">\n\n\nHe has said nothing since the violence started.\n\nWhat? He literally has tho",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nDid American politics really resume \"as normal\", though? Haven't alt-right and conservatives gotten worse?",
">\n\nConsidering the outcome of the '22 mid-terms, it's definitely not normal because Republicans should have swung the House by several dozen seats and won a majority back in the Senate. So yes, alt-right and conservatives have gotten worse and it appears that a growing portion of the American electorate has lost patience with them.",
">\n\nI think 90% of that was Dobbs",
">\n\nExit polling indicated that abortion was #1 priority amongst 27% of voters, which ran 5% behind inflation, an issue that Republicans should have been able to carry the election with if things were normal."
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Everyone wants a strong economy, they just disagree on the way to get there.
Where does this presumption come from?
The party that has normalized threatening a default - an economic apocalypse so unprecedented we genuinely do not know how bad it could get - should not be presumed to have an interest in the U.S. having a strong economy.
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"This is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.",
">\n\nI did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?\nI assume you mean \"The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin\"\nDon't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are \"against corruption\" in Latin America is just what they alway say",
">\n\nYea and the US says they're fighting corruption when they install right wingers. The fact that the Biden admin recognizes guaido in Venezuela proves that democrats also work to undemocratically install right wingers in Latin America.",
">\n\nBro, stop thinking in terms of political parties. The US is pro maintaing global financial hegemony, and that's it. There is no Democrats or Republucans when it comes to foreign policy (except some weird putin dick sucking on the republican side and the fact the Democrats have a few humans who recognise palastine). The rest is just US foreign policy, you are clearly way to partisan and you need to touch some grass. Remember everyone in power hates you and me. They are not your friend. And your weird obsession with ThE DeMs is hilarious",
">\n\nWhat are you even arguing about lol? I'm saying dems support right wing dictators which you seem to agree with. So what's your point?",
">\n\nThat the article you posted doesn't say what you think does?",
">\n\nIn Brazil? It ends with Bolsonaro back in power and decades of authoritarian rule.",
">\n\nStop posting misinformation. Maybe the conspiracy sub will fit you better?",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.",
">\n\nThis is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nWe should tolerate fascism less. Its nuts that that most of instigators of Jan 6 among the US political class or their clients in the mass media who gave oxygen to their lunacy have faced zero consequences. Hopefully Brazilian justice system acts more decisively. You're either for democracy - flawed or not - or your for some kind of totalitarian fascist state.",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.",
">\n\nI did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?\nI assume you mean \"The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin\"\nDon't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are \"against corruption\" in Latin America is just what they alway say",
">\n\nYea and the US says they're fighting corruption when they install right wingers. The fact that the Biden admin recognizes guaido in Venezuela proves that democrats also work to undemocratically install right wingers in Latin America.",
">\n\nBro, stop thinking in terms of political parties. The US is pro maintaing global financial hegemony, and that's it. There is no Democrats or Republucans when it comes to foreign policy (except some weird putin dick sucking on the republican side and the fact the Democrats have a few humans who recognise palastine). The rest is just US foreign policy, you are clearly way to partisan and you need to touch some grass. Remember everyone in power hates you and me. They are not your friend. And your weird obsession with ThE DeMs is hilarious",
">\n\nWhat are you even arguing about lol? I'm saying dems support right wing dictators which you seem to agree with. So what's your point?",
">\n\nThat the article you posted doesn't say what you think does?",
">\n\nIn Brazil? It ends with Bolsonaro back in power and decades of authoritarian rule.",
">\n\nStop posting misinformation. Maybe the conspiracy sub will fit you better?",
">\n\nThis is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nMyanmar is ruled by a military junta, which is a whole different level of authoritarianism altogether.\nNot analogous, really.\nCountries that are comparable to Myanmar include Burkina Faso, Mali, etc.; not the U.S. nor Brazil.",
">\n\nYep, the coup attempts in those nations are usually credible, well planned and have some level of elite support\nin the US and Brazil they were essentially just a riled up crowd of people rushing into government buildings with no organization or gameplan",
">\n\nThose riled up people were not the coup attempters, just the useful idiots of the coup attempters. Don’t think the fascist are not learning lessons for 2024. Remember Hitler failed in his first attempt, spent time in prison, then about a decade later was creating concentration camps. Western liberal democracies are at a nexus point and the next decade will probably be one of constantly fighting back against authoritarianism.",
">\n\n...then who exactly are the coup attempters?\nTrump absolutely enflamed the situation, but I don't think he was literally asking his supporters to storm the capitol. Bolsanaro meanwhile seems even more out of it and has had basically no involvement in Brazil's coup attempt\nThe institutions of neither country supported the attempt\nso who exactly are the puppetmasters you're referring to here lol",
">\n\nThe riot was the culmination of the effort. Not the self coup itself",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth.\n\nIn his tweeter feed he still identifies him as the President of Brasil. He has said nothing since the violence started.",
">\n\n\nHe has said nothing since the violence started.\n\nWhat? He literally has tho",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nDid American politics really resume \"as normal\", though? Haven't alt-right and conservatives gotten worse?",
">\n\nConsidering the outcome of the '22 mid-terms, it's definitely not normal because Republicans should have swung the House by several dozen seats and won a majority back in the Senate. So yes, alt-right and conservatives have gotten worse and it appears that a growing portion of the American electorate has lost patience with them.",
">\n\nI think 90% of that was Dobbs",
">\n\nExit polling indicated that abortion was #1 priority amongst 27% of voters, which ran 5% behind inflation, an issue that Republicans should have been able to carry the election with if things were normal.",
">\n\nAlso, abortion could be a voter's #1 priority but not affect their vote. This is already an issue sharply divided along party lines. I'm not sure how many people voted differently due to the Supreme Court overturning abortion protections.\nEconomic issues aren't divided this way. Everyone wants a strong economy, they just disagree on the way to get there. So it's very possible that inflation could make an impact on the election while abortion doesn't."
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Friendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.
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"This is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.",
">\n\nI did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?\nI assume you mean \"The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin\"\nDon't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are \"against corruption\" in Latin America is just what they alway say",
">\n\nYea and the US says they're fighting corruption when they install right wingers. The fact that the Biden admin recognizes guaido in Venezuela proves that democrats also work to undemocratically install right wingers in Latin America.",
">\n\nBro, stop thinking in terms of political parties. The US is pro maintaing global financial hegemony, and that's it. There is no Democrats or Republucans when it comes to foreign policy (except some weird putin dick sucking on the republican side and the fact the Democrats have a few humans who recognise palastine). The rest is just US foreign policy, you are clearly way to partisan and you need to touch some grass. Remember everyone in power hates you and me. They are not your friend. And your weird obsession with ThE DeMs is hilarious",
">\n\nWhat are you even arguing about lol? I'm saying dems support right wing dictators which you seem to agree with. So what's your point?",
">\n\nThat the article you posted doesn't say what you think does?",
">\n\nIn Brazil? It ends with Bolsonaro back in power and decades of authoritarian rule.",
">\n\nStop posting misinformation. Maybe the conspiracy sub will fit you better?",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.",
">\n\nThis is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nWe should tolerate fascism less. Its nuts that that most of instigators of Jan 6 among the US political class or their clients in the mass media who gave oxygen to their lunacy have faced zero consequences. Hopefully Brazilian justice system acts more decisively. You're either for democracy - flawed or not - or your for some kind of totalitarian fascist state.",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.",
">\n\nI did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?\nI assume you mean \"The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin\"\nDon't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are \"against corruption\" in Latin America is just what they alway say",
">\n\nYea and the US says they're fighting corruption when they install right wingers. The fact that the Biden admin recognizes guaido in Venezuela proves that democrats also work to undemocratically install right wingers in Latin America.",
">\n\nBro, stop thinking in terms of political parties. The US is pro maintaing global financial hegemony, and that's it. There is no Democrats or Republucans when it comes to foreign policy (except some weird putin dick sucking on the republican side and the fact the Democrats have a few humans who recognise palastine). The rest is just US foreign policy, you are clearly way to partisan and you need to touch some grass. Remember everyone in power hates you and me. They are not your friend. And your weird obsession with ThE DeMs is hilarious",
">\n\nWhat are you even arguing about lol? I'm saying dems support right wing dictators which you seem to agree with. So what's your point?",
">\n\nThat the article you posted doesn't say what you think does?",
">\n\nIn Brazil? It ends with Bolsonaro back in power and decades of authoritarian rule.",
">\n\nStop posting misinformation. Maybe the conspiracy sub will fit you better?",
">\n\nThis is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nMyanmar is ruled by a military junta, which is a whole different level of authoritarianism altogether.\nNot analogous, really.\nCountries that are comparable to Myanmar include Burkina Faso, Mali, etc.; not the U.S. nor Brazil.",
">\n\nYep, the coup attempts in those nations are usually credible, well planned and have some level of elite support\nin the US and Brazil they were essentially just a riled up crowd of people rushing into government buildings with no organization or gameplan",
">\n\nThose riled up people were not the coup attempters, just the useful idiots of the coup attempters. Don’t think the fascist are not learning lessons for 2024. Remember Hitler failed in his first attempt, spent time in prison, then about a decade later was creating concentration camps. Western liberal democracies are at a nexus point and the next decade will probably be one of constantly fighting back against authoritarianism.",
">\n\n...then who exactly are the coup attempters?\nTrump absolutely enflamed the situation, but I don't think he was literally asking his supporters to storm the capitol. Bolsanaro meanwhile seems even more out of it and has had basically no involvement in Brazil's coup attempt\nThe institutions of neither country supported the attempt\nso who exactly are the puppetmasters you're referring to here lol",
">\n\nThe riot was the culmination of the effort. Not the self coup itself",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth.\n\nIn his tweeter feed he still identifies him as the President of Brasil. He has said nothing since the violence started.",
">\n\n\nHe has said nothing since the violence started.\n\nWhat? He literally has tho",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nDid American politics really resume \"as normal\", though? Haven't alt-right and conservatives gotten worse?",
">\n\nConsidering the outcome of the '22 mid-terms, it's definitely not normal because Republicans should have swung the House by several dozen seats and won a majority back in the Senate. So yes, alt-right and conservatives have gotten worse and it appears that a growing portion of the American electorate has lost patience with them.",
">\n\nI think 90% of that was Dobbs",
">\n\nExit polling indicated that abortion was #1 priority amongst 27% of voters, which ran 5% behind inflation, an issue that Republicans should have been able to carry the election with if things were normal.",
">\n\nAlso, abortion could be a voter's #1 priority but not affect their vote. This is already an issue sharply divided along party lines. I'm not sure how many people voted differently due to the Supreme Court overturning abortion protections.\nEconomic issues aren't divided this way. Everyone wants a strong economy, they just disagree on the way to get there. So it's very possible that inflation could make an impact on the election while abortion doesn't.",
">\n\n\nEveryone wants a strong economy, they just disagree on the way to get there.\n\nWhere does this presumption come from?\nThe party that has normalized threatening a default - an economic apocalypse so unprecedented we genuinely do not know how bad it could get - should not be presumed to have an interest in the U.S. having a strong economy."
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This isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.
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"This is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.",
">\n\nI did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?\nI assume you mean \"The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin\"\nDon't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are \"against corruption\" in Latin America is just what they alway say",
">\n\nYea and the US says they're fighting corruption when they install right wingers. The fact that the Biden admin recognizes guaido in Venezuela proves that democrats also work to undemocratically install right wingers in Latin America.",
">\n\nBro, stop thinking in terms of political parties. The US is pro maintaing global financial hegemony, and that's it. There is no Democrats or Republucans when it comes to foreign policy (except some weird putin dick sucking on the republican side and the fact the Democrats have a few humans who recognise palastine). The rest is just US foreign policy, you are clearly way to partisan and you need to touch some grass. Remember everyone in power hates you and me. They are not your friend. And your weird obsession with ThE DeMs is hilarious",
">\n\nWhat are you even arguing about lol? I'm saying dems support right wing dictators which you seem to agree with. So what's your point?",
">\n\nThat the article you posted doesn't say what you think does?",
">\n\nIn Brazil? It ends with Bolsonaro back in power and decades of authoritarian rule.",
">\n\nStop posting misinformation. Maybe the conspiracy sub will fit you better?",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.",
">\n\nThis is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nWe should tolerate fascism less. Its nuts that that most of instigators of Jan 6 among the US political class or their clients in the mass media who gave oxygen to their lunacy have faced zero consequences. Hopefully Brazilian justice system acts more decisively. You're either for democracy - flawed or not - or your for some kind of totalitarian fascist state.",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.",
">\n\nI did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?\nI assume you mean \"The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin\"\nDon't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are \"against corruption\" in Latin America is just what they alway say",
">\n\nYea and the US says they're fighting corruption when they install right wingers. The fact that the Biden admin recognizes guaido in Venezuela proves that democrats also work to undemocratically install right wingers in Latin America.",
">\n\nBro, stop thinking in terms of political parties. The US is pro maintaing global financial hegemony, and that's it. There is no Democrats or Republucans when it comes to foreign policy (except some weird putin dick sucking on the republican side and the fact the Democrats have a few humans who recognise palastine). The rest is just US foreign policy, you are clearly way to partisan and you need to touch some grass. Remember everyone in power hates you and me. They are not your friend. And your weird obsession with ThE DeMs is hilarious",
">\n\nWhat are you even arguing about lol? I'm saying dems support right wing dictators which you seem to agree with. So what's your point?",
">\n\nThat the article you posted doesn't say what you think does?",
">\n\nIn Brazil? It ends with Bolsonaro back in power and decades of authoritarian rule.",
">\n\nStop posting misinformation. Maybe the conspiracy sub will fit you better?",
">\n\nThis is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nMyanmar is ruled by a military junta, which is a whole different level of authoritarianism altogether.\nNot analogous, really.\nCountries that are comparable to Myanmar include Burkina Faso, Mali, etc.; not the U.S. nor Brazil.",
">\n\nYep, the coup attempts in those nations are usually credible, well planned and have some level of elite support\nin the US and Brazil they were essentially just a riled up crowd of people rushing into government buildings with no organization or gameplan",
">\n\nThose riled up people were not the coup attempters, just the useful idiots of the coup attempters. Don’t think the fascist are not learning lessons for 2024. Remember Hitler failed in his first attempt, spent time in prison, then about a decade later was creating concentration camps. Western liberal democracies are at a nexus point and the next decade will probably be one of constantly fighting back against authoritarianism.",
">\n\n...then who exactly are the coup attempters?\nTrump absolutely enflamed the situation, but I don't think he was literally asking his supporters to storm the capitol. Bolsanaro meanwhile seems even more out of it and has had basically no involvement in Brazil's coup attempt\nThe institutions of neither country supported the attempt\nso who exactly are the puppetmasters you're referring to here lol",
">\n\nThe riot was the culmination of the effort. Not the self coup itself",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth.\n\nIn his tweeter feed he still identifies him as the President of Brasil. He has said nothing since the violence started.",
">\n\n\nHe has said nothing since the violence started.\n\nWhat? He literally has tho",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nDid American politics really resume \"as normal\", though? Haven't alt-right and conservatives gotten worse?",
">\n\nConsidering the outcome of the '22 mid-terms, it's definitely not normal because Republicans should have swung the House by several dozen seats and won a majority back in the Senate. So yes, alt-right and conservatives have gotten worse and it appears that a growing portion of the American electorate has lost patience with them.",
">\n\nI think 90% of that was Dobbs",
">\n\nExit polling indicated that abortion was #1 priority amongst 27% of voters, which ran 5% behind inflation, an issue that Republicans should have been able to carry the election with if things were normal.",
">\n\nAlso, abortion could be a voter's #1 priority but not affect their vote. This is already an issue sharply divided along party lines. I'm not sure how many people voted differently due to the Supreme Court overturning abortion protections.\nEconomic issues aren't divided this way. Everyone wants a strong economy, they just disagree on the way to get there. So it's very possible that inflation could make an impact on the election while abortion doesn't.",
">\n\n\nEveryone wants a strong economy, they just disagree on the way to get there.\n\nWhere does this presumption come from?\nThe party that has normalized threatening a default - an economic apocalypse so unprecedented we genuinely do not know how bad it could get - should not be presumed to have an interest in the U.S. having a strong economy.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election."
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Neither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days
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"This is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.",
">\n\nI did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?\nI assume you mean \"The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin\"\nDon't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are \"against corruption\" in Latin America is just what they alway say",
">\n\nYea and the US says they're fighting corruption when they install right wingers. The fact that the Biden admin recognizes guaido in Venezuela proves that democrats also work to undemocratically install right wingers in Latin America.",
">\n\nBro, stop thinking in terms of political parties. The US is pro maintaing global financial hegemony, and that's it. There is no Democrats or Republucans when it comes to foreign policy (except some weird putin dick sucking on the republican side and the fact the Democrats have a few humans who recognise palastine). The rest is just US foreign policy, you are clearly way to partisan and you need to touch some grass. Remember everyone in power hates you and me. They are not your friend. And your weird obsession with ThE DeMs is hilarious",
">\n\nWhat are you even arguing about lol? I'm saying dems support right wing dictators which you seem to agree with. So what's your point?",
">\n\nThat the article you posted doesn't say what you think does?",
">\n\nIn Brazil? It ends with Bolsonaro back in power and decades of authoritarian rule.",
">\n\nStop posting misinformation. Maybe the conspiracy sub will fit you better?",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.",
">\n\nThis is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nWe should tolerate fascism less. Its nuts that that most of instigators of Jan 6 among the US political class or their clients in the mass media who gave oxygen to their lunacy have faced zero consequences. Hopefully Brazilian justice system acts more decisively. You're either for democracy - flawed or not - or your for some kind of totalitarian fascist state.",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.",
">\n\nI did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?\nI assume you mean \"The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin\"\nDon't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are \"against corruption\" in Latin America is just what they alway say",
">\n\nYea and the US says they're fighting corruption when they install right wingers. The fact that the Biden admin recognizes guaido in Venezuela proves that democrats also work to undemocratically install right wingers in Latin America.",
">\n\nBro, stop thinking in terms of political parties. The US is pro maintaing global financial hegemony, and that's it. There is no Democrats or Republucans when it comes to foreign policy (except some weird putin dick sucking on the republican side and the fact the Democrats have a few humans who recognise palastine). The rest is just US foreign policy, you are clearly way to partisan and you need to touch some grass. Remember everyone in power hates you and me. They are not your friend. And your weird obsession with ThE DeMs is hilarious",
">\n\nWhat are you even arguing about lol? I'm saying dems support right wing dictators which you seem to agree with. So what's your point?",
">\n\nThat the article you posted doesn't say what you think does?",
">\n\nIn Brazil? It ends with Bolsonaro back in power and decades of authoritarian rule.",
">\n\nStop posting misinformation. Maybe the conspiracy sub will fit you better?",
">\n\nThis is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nMyanmar is ruled by a military junta, which is a whole different level of authoritarianism altogether.\nNot analogous, really.\nCountries that are comparable to Myanmar include Burkina Faso, Mali, etc.; not the U.S. nor Brazil.",
">\n\nYep, the coup attempts in those nations are usually credible, well planned and have some level of elite support\nin the US and Brazil they were essentially just a riled up crowd of people rushing into government buildings with no organization or gameplan",
">\n\nThose riled up people were not the coup attempters, just the useful idiots of the coup attempters. Don’t think the fascist are not learning lessons for 2024. Remember Hitler failed in his first attempt, spent time in prison, then about a decade later was creating concentration camps. Western liberal democracies are at a nexus point and the next decade will probably be one of constantly fighting back against authoritarianism.",
">\n\n...then who exactly are the coup attempters?\nTrump absolutely enflamed the situation, but I don't think he was literally asking his supporters to storm the capitol. Bolsanaro meanwhile seems even more out of it and has had basically no involvement in Brazil's coup attempt\nThe institutions of neither country supported the attempt\nso who exactly are the puppetmasters you're referring to here lol",
">\n\nThe riot was the culmination of the effort. Not the self coup itself",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth.\n\nIn his tweeter feed he still identifies him as the President of Brasil. He has said nothing since the violence started.",
">\n\n\nHe has said nothing since the violence started.\n\nWhat? He literally has tho",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nDid American politics really resume \"as normal\", though? Haven't alt-right and conservatives gotten worse?",
">\n\nConsidering the outcome of the '22 mid-terms, it's definitely not normal because Republicans should have swung the House by several dozen seats and won a majority back in the Senate. So yes, alt-right and conservatives have gotten worse and it appears that a growing portion of the American electorate has lost patience with them.",
">\n\nI think 90% of that was Dobbs",
">\n\nExit polling indicated that abortion was #1 priority amongst 27% of voters, which ran 5% behind inflation, an issue that Republicans should have been able to carry the election with if things were normal.",
">\n\nAlso, abortion could be a voter's #1 priority but not affect their vote. This is already an issue sharply divided along party lines. I'm not sure how many people voted differently due to the Supreme Court overturning abortion protections.\nEconomic issues aren't divided this way. Everyone wants a strong economy, they just disagree on the way to get there. So it's very possible that inflation could make an impact on the election while abortion doesn't.",
">\n\n\nEveryone wants a strong economy, they just disagree on the way to get there.\n\nWhere does this presumption come from?\nThe party that has normalized threatening a default - an economic apocalypse so unprecedented we genuinely do not know how bad it could get - should not be presumed to have an interest in the U.S. having a strong economy.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place."
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We should tolerate fascism less. Its nuts that that most of instigators of Jan 6 among the US political class or their clients in the mass media who gave oxygen to their lunacy have faced zero consequences. Hopefully Brazilian justice system acts more decisively. You're either for democracy - flawed or not - or your for some kind of totalitarian fascist state.
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"This is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.",
">\n\nI did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?\nI assume you mean \"The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin\"\nDon't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are \"against corruption\" in Latin America is just what they alway say",
">\n\nYea and the US says they're fighting corruption when they install right wingers. The fact that the Biden admin recognizes guaido in Venezuela proves that democrats also work to undemocratically install right wingers in Latin America.",
">\n\nBro, stop thinking in terms of political parties. The US is pro maintaing global financial hegemony, and that's it. There is no Democrats or Republucans when it comes to foreign policy (except some weird putin dick sucking on the republican side and the fact the Democrats have a few humans who recognise palastine). The rest is just US foreign policy, you are clearly way to partisan and you need to touch some grass. Remember everyone in power hates you and me. They are not your friend. And your weird obsession with ThE DeMs is hilarious",
">\n\nWhat are you even arguing about lol? I'm saying dems support right wing dictators which you seem to agree with. So what's your point?",
">\n\nThat the article you posted doesn't say what you think does?",
">\n\nIn Brazil? It ends with Bolsonaro back in power and decades of authoritarian rule.",
">\n\nStop posting misinformation. Maybe the conspiracy sub will fit you better?",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.",
">\n\nThis is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nWe should tolerate fascism less. Its nuts that that most of instigators of Jan 6 among the US political class or their clients in the mass media who gave oxygen to their lunacy have faced zero consequences. Hopefully Brazilian justice system acts more decisively. You're either for democracy - flawed or not - or your for some kind of totalitarian fascist state.",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.",
">\n\nI did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?\nI assume you mean \"The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin\"\nDon't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are \"against corruption\" in Latin America is just what they alway say",
">\n\nYea and the US says they're fighting corruption when they install right wingers. The fact that the Biden admin recognizes guaido in Venezuela proves that democrats also work to undemocratically install right wingers in Latin America.",
">\n\nBro, stop thinking in terms of political parties. The US is pro maintaing global financial hegemony, and that's it. There is no Democrats or Republucans when it comes to foreign policy (except some weird putin dick sucking on the republican side and the fact the Democrats have a few humans who recognise palastine). The rest is just US foreign policy, you are clearly way to partisan and you need to touch some grass. Remember everyone in power hates you and me. They are not your friend. And your weird obsession with ThE DeMs is hilarious",
">\n\nWhat are you even arguing about lol? I'm saying dems support right wing dictators which you seem to agree with. So what's your point?",
">\n\nThat the article you posted doesn't say what you think does?",
">\n\nIn Brazil? It ends with Bolsonaro back in power and decades of authoritarian rule.",
">\n\nStop posting misinformation. Maybe the conspiracy sub will fit you better?",
">\n\nThis is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nMyanmar is ruled by a military junta, which is a whole different level of authoritarianism altogether.\nNot analogous, really.\nCountries that are comparable to Myanmar include Burkina Faso, Mali, etc.; not the U.S. nor Brazil.",
">\n\nYep, the coup attempts in those nations are usually credible, well planned and have some level of elite support\nin the US and Brazil they were essentially just a riled up crowd of people rushing into government buildings with no organization or gameplan",
">\n\nThose riled up people were not the coup attempters, just the useful idiots of the coup attempters. Don’t think the fascist are not learning lessons for 2024. Remember Hitler failed in his first attempt, spent time in prison, then about a decade later was creating concentration camps. Western liberal democracies are at a nexus point and the next decade will probably be one of constantly fighting back against authoritarianism.",
">\n\n...then who exactly are the coup attempters?\nTrump absolutely enflamed the situation, but I don't think he was literally asking his supporters to storm the capitol. Bolsanaro meanwhile seems even more out of it and has had basically no involvement in Brazil's coup attempt\nThe institutions of neither country supported the attempt\nso who exactly are the puppetmasters you're referring to here lol",
">\n\nThe riot was the culmination of the effort. Not the self coup itself",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth.\n\nIn his tweeter feed he still identifies him as the President of Brasil. He has said nothing since the violence started.",
">\n\n\nHe has said nothing since the violence started.\n\nWhat? He literally has tho",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nDid American politics really resume \"as normal\", though? Haven't alt-right and conservatives gotten worse?",
">\n\nConsidering the outcome of the '22 mid-terms, it's definitely not normal because Republicans should have swung the House by several dozen seats and won a majority back in the Senate. So yes, alt-right and conservatives have gotten worse and it appears that a growing portion of the American electorate has lost patience with them.",
">\n\nI think 90% of that was Dobbs",
">\n\nExit polling indicated that abortion was #1 priority amongst 27% of voters, which ran 5% behind inflation, an issue that Republicans should have been able to carry the election with if things were normal.",
">\n\nAlso, abortion could be a voter's #1 priority but not affect their vote. This is already an issue sharply divided along party lines. I'm not sure how many people voted differently due to the Supreme Court overturning abortion protections.\nEconomic issues aren't divided this way. Everyone wants a strong economy, they just disagree on the way to get there. So it's very possible that inflation could make an impact on the election while abortion doesn't.",
">\n\n\nEveryone wants a strong economy, they just disagree on the way to get there.\n\nWhere does this presumption come from?\nThe party that has normalized threatening a default - an economic apocalypse so unprecedented we genuinely do not know how bad it could get - should not be presumed to have an interest in the U.S. having a strong economy.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days"
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"This is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.",
">\n\nI did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?\nI assume you mean \"The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin\"\nDon't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are \"against corruption\" in Latin America is just what they alway say",
">\n\nYea and the US says they're fighting corruption when they install right wingers. The fact that the Biden admin recognizes guaido in Venezuela proves that democrats also work to undemocratically install right wingers in Latin America.",
">\n\nBro, stop thinking in terms of political parties. The US is pro maintaing global financial hegemony, and that's it. There is no Democrats or Republucans when it comes to foreign policy (except some weird putin dick sucking on the republican side and the fact the Democrats have a few humans who recognise palastine). The rest is just US foreign policy, you are clearly way to partisan and you need to touch some grass. Remember everyone in power hates you and me. They are not your friend. And your weird obsession with ThE DeMs is hilarious",
">\n\nWhat are you even arguing about lol? I'm saying dems support right wing dictators which you seem to agree with. So what's your point?",
">\n\nThat the article you posted doesn't say what you think does?",
">\n\nIn Brazil? It ends with Bolsonaro back in power and decades of authoritarian rule.",
">\n\nStop posting misinformation. Maybe the conspiracy sub will fit you better?",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.",
">\n\nThis is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nWe should tolerate fascism less. Its nuts that that most of instigators of Jan 6 among the US political class or their clients in the mass media who gave oxygen to their lunacy have faced zero consequences. Hopefully Brazilian justice system acts more decisively. You're either for democracy - flawed or not - or your for some kind of totalitarian fascist state.",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.",
">\n\nI did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?\nI assume you mean \"The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin\"\nDon't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are \"against corruption\" in Latin America is just what they alway say",
">\n\nYea and the US says they're fighting corruption when they install right wingers. The fact that the Biden admin recognizes guaido in Venezuela proves that democrats also work to undemocratically install right wingers in Latin America.",
">\n\nBro, stop thinking in terms of political parties. The US is pro maintaing global financial hegemony, and that's it. There is no Democrats or Republucans when it comes to foreign policy (except some weird putin dick sucking on the republican side and the fact the Democrats have a few humans who recognise palastine). The rest is just US foreign policy, you are clearly way to partisan and you need to touch some grass. Remember everyone in power hates you and me. They are not your friend. And your weird obsession with ThE DeMs is hilarious",
">\n\nWhat are you even arguing about lol? I'm saying dems support right wing dictators which you seem to agree with. So what's your point?",
">\n\nThat the article you posted doesn't say what you think does?",
">\n\nIn Brazil? It ends with Bolsonaro back in power and decades of authoritarian rule.",
">\n\nStop posting misinformation. Maybe the conspiracy sub will fit you better?",
">\n\nThis is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nMyanmar is ruled by a military junta, which is a whole different level of authoritarianism altogether.\nNot analogous, really.\nCountries that are comparable to Myanmar include Burkina Faso, Mali, etc.; not the U.S. nor Brazil.",
">\n\nYep, the coup attempts in those nations are usually credible, well planned and have some level of elite support\nin the US and Brazil they were essentially just a riled up crowd of people rushing into government buildings with no organization or gameplan",
">\n\nThose riled up people were not the coup attempters, just the useful idiots of the coup attempters. Don’t think the fascist are not learning lessons for 2024. Remember Hitler failed in his first attempt, spent time in prison, then about a decade later was creating concentration camps. Western liberal democracies are at a nexus point and the next decade will probably be one of constantly fighting back against authoritarianism.",
">\n\n...then who exactly are the coup attempters?\nTrump absolutely enflamed the situation, but I don't think he was literally asking his supporters to storm the capitol. Bolsanaro meanwhile seems even more out of it and has had basically no involvement in Brazil's coup attempt\nThe institutions of neither country supported the attempt\nso who exactly are the puppetmasters you're referring to here lol",
">\n\nThe riot was the culmination of the effort. Not the self coup itself",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth.\n\nIn his tweeter feed he still identifies him as the President of Brasil. He has said nothing since the violence started.",
">\n\n\nHe has said nothing since the violence started.\n\nWhat? He literally has tho",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nDid American politics really resume \"as normal\", though? Haven't alt-right and conservatives gotten worse?",
">\n\nConsidering the outcome of the '22 mid-terms, it's definitely not normal because Republicans should have swung the House by several dozen seats and won a majority back in the Senate. So yes, alt-right and conservatives have gotten worse and it appears that a growing portion of the American electorate has lost patience with them.",
">\n\nI think 90% of that was Dobbs",
">\n\nExit polling indicated that abortion was #1 priority amongst 27% of voters, which ran 5% behind inflation, an issue that Republicans should have been able to carry the election with if things were normal.",
">\n\nAlso, abortion could be a voter's #1 priority but not affect their vote. This is already an issue sharply divided along party lines. I'm not sure how many people voted differently due to the Supreme Court overturning abortion protections.\nEconomic issues aren't divided this way. Everyone wants a strong economy, they just disagree on the way to get there. So it's very possible that inflation could make an impact on the election while abortion doesn't.",
">\n\n\nEveryone wants a strong economy, they just disagree on the way to get there.\n\nWhere does this presumption come from?\nThe party that has normalized threatening a default - an economic apocalypse so unprecedented we genuinely do not know how bad it could get - should not be presumed to have an interest in the U.S. having a strong economy.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nWe should tolerate fascism less. Its nuts that that most of instigators of Jan 6 among the US political class or their clients in the mass media who gave oxygen to their lunacy have faced zero consequences. Hopefully Brazilian justice system acts more decisively. You're either for democracy - flawed or not - or your for some kind of totalitarian fascist state."
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Just kind reminder dear US citzens: "STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!"
Sincerely,
A brazilian.
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"This is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.",
">\n\nI did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?\nI assume you mean \"The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin\"\nDon't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are \"against corruption\" in Latin America is just what they alway say",
">\n\nYea and the US says they're fighting corruption when they install right wingers. The fact that the Biden admin recognizes guaido in Venezuela proves that democrats also work to undemocratically install right wingers in Latin America.",
">\n\nBro, stop thinking in terms of political parties. The US is pro maintaing global financial hegemony, and that's it. There is no Democrats or Republucans when it comes to foreign policy (except some weird putin dick sucking on the republican side and the fact the Democrats have a few humans who recognise palastine). The rest is just US foreign policy, you are clearly way to partisan and you need to touch some grass. Remember everyone in power hates you and me. They are not your friend. And your weird obsession with ThE DeMs is hilarious",
">\n\nWhat are you even arguing about lol? I'm saying dems support right wing dictators which you seem to agree with. So what's your point?",
">\n\nThat the article you posted doesn't say what you think does?",
">\n\nIn Brazil? It ends with Bolsonaro back in power and decades of authoritarian rule.",
">\n\nStop posting misinformation. Maybe the conspiracy sub will fit you better?",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.",
">\n\nThis is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nWe should tolerate fascism less. Its nuts that that most of instigators of Jan 6 among the US political class or their clients in the mass media who gave oxygen to their lunacy have faced zero consequences. Hopefully Brazilian justice system acts more decisively. You're either for democracy - flawed or not - or your for some kind of totalitarian fascist state.",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.",
">\n\nI did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?\nI assume you mean \"The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin\"\nDon't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are \"against corruption\" in Latin America is just what they alway say",
">\n\nYea and the US says they're fighting corruption when they install right wingers. The fact that the Biden admin recognizes guaido in Venezuela proves that democrats also work to undemocratically install right wingers in Latin America.",
">\n\nBro, stop thinking in terms of political parties. The US is pro maintaing global financial hegemony, and that's it. There is no Democrats or Republucans when it comes to foreign policy (except some weird putin dick sucking on the republican side and the fact the Democrats have a few humans who recognise palastine). The rest is just US foreign policy, you are clearly way to partisan and you need to touch some grass. Remember everyone in power hates you and me. They are not your friend. And your weird obsession with ThE DeMs is hilarious",
">\n\nWhat are you even arguing about lol? I'm saying dems support right wing dictators which you seem to agree with. So what's your point?",
">\n\nThat the article you posted doesn't say what you think does?",
">\n\nIn Brazil? It ends with Bolsonaro back in power and decades of authoritarian rule.",
">\n\nStop posting misinformation. Maybe the conspiracy sub will fit you better?",
">\n\nThis is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nMyanmar is ruled by a military junta, which is a whole different level of authoritarianism altogether.\nNot analogous, really.\nCountries that are comparable to Myanmar include Burkina Faso, Mali, etc.; not the U.S. nor Brazil.",
">\n\nYep, the coup attempts in those nations are usually credible, well planned and have some level of elite support\nin the US and Brazil they were essentially just a riled up crowd of people rushing into government buildings with no organization or gameplan",
">\n\nThose riled up people were not the coup attempters, just the useful idiots of the coup attempters. Don’t think the fascist are not learning lessons for 2024. Remember Hitler failed in his first attempt, spent time in prison, then about a decade later was creating concentration camps. Western liberal democracies are at a nexus point and the next decade will probably be one of constantly fighting back against authoritarianism.",
">\n\n...then who exactly are the coup attempters?\nTrump absolutely enflamed the situation, but I don't think he was literally asking his supporters to storm the capitol. Bolsanaro meanwhile seems even more out of it and has had basically no involvement in Brazil's coup attempt\nThe institutions of neither country supported the attempt\nso who exactly are the puppetmasters you're referring to here lol",
">\n\nThe riot was the culmination of the effort. Not the self coup itself",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth.\n\nIn his tweeter feed he still identifies him as the President of Brasil. He has said nothing since the violence started.",
">\n\n\nHe has said nothing since the violence started.\n\nWhat? He literally has tho",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nDid American politics really resume \"as normal\", though? Haven't alt-right and conservatives gotten worse?",
">\n\nConsidering the outcome of the '22 mid-terms, it's definitely not normal because Republicans should have swung the House by several dozen seats and won a majority back in the Senate. So yes, alt-right and conservatives have gotten worse and it appears that a growing portion of the American electorate has lost patience with them.",
">\n\nI think 90% of that was Dobbs",
">\n\nExit polling indicated that abortion was #1 priority amongst 27% of voters, which ran 5% behind inflation, an issue that Republicans should have been able to carry the election with if things were normal.",
">\n\nAlso, abortion could be a voter's #1 priority but not affect their vote. This is already an issue sharply divided along party lines. I'm not sure how many people voted differently due to the Supreme Court overturning abortion protections.\nEconomic issues aren't divided this way. Everyone wants a strong economy, they just disagree on the way to get there. So it's very possible that inflation could make an impact on the election while abortion doesn't.",
">\n\n\nEveryone wants a strong economy, they just disagree on the way to get there.\n\nWhere does this presumption come from?\nThe party that has normalized threatening a default - an economic apocalypse so unprecedented we genuinely do not know how bad it could get - should not be presumed to have an interest in the U.S. having a strong economy.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nWe should tolerate fascism less. Its nuts that that most of instigators of Jan 6 among the US political class or their clients in the mass media who gave oxygen to their lunacy have faced zero consequences. Hopefully Brazilian justice system acts more decisively. You're either for democracy - flawed or not - or your for some kind of totalitarian fascist state.",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US."
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This horseshit is going to continue to spread until would-be fascist rioters see their brethren face some real, immediate consequences. The military should consider the rioters to be a hostile force and act accordingly.
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"This is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.",
">\n\nI did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?\nI assume you mean \"The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin\"\nDon't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are \"against corruption\" in Latin America is just what they alway say",
">\n\nYea and the US says they're fighting corruption when they install right wingers. The fact that the Biden admin recognizes guaido in Venezuela proves that democrats also work to undemocratically install right wingers in Latin America.",
">\n\nBro, stop thinking in terms of political parties. The US is pro maintaing global financial hegemony, and that's it. There is no Democrats or Republucans when it comes to foreign policy (except some weird putin dick sucking on the republican side and the fact the Democrats have a few humans who recognise palastine). The rest is just US foreign policy, you are clearly way to partisan and you need to touch some grass. Remember everyone in power hates you and me. They are not your friend. And your weird obsession with ThE DeMs is hilarious",
">\n\nWhat are you even arguing about lol? I'm saying dems support right wing dictators which you seem to agree with. So what's your point?",
">\n\nThat the article you posted doesn't say what you think does?",
">\n\nIn Brazil? It ends with Bolsonaro back in power and decades of authoritarian rule.",
">\n\nStop posting misinformation. Maybe the conspiracy sub will fit you better?",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.",
">\n\nThis is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nWe should tolerate fascism less. Its nuts that that most of instigators of Jan 6 among the US political class or their clients in the mass media who gave oxygen to their lunacy have faced zero consequences. Hopefully Brazilian justice system acts more decisively. You're either for democracy - flawed or not - or your for some kind of totalitarian fascist state.",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.",
">\n\nI did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?\nI assume you mean \"The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin\"\nDon't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are \"against corruption\" in Latin America is just what they alway say",
">\n\nYea and the US says they're fighting corruption when they install right wingers. The fact that the Biden admin recognizes guaido in Venezuela proves that democrats also work to undemocratically install right wingers in Latin America.",
">\n\nBro, stop thinking in terms of political parties. The US is pro maintaing global financial hegemony, and that's it. There is no Democrats or Republucans when it comes to foreign policy (except some weird putin dick sucking on the republican side and the fact the Democrats have a few humans who recognise palastine). The rest is just US foreign policy, you are clearly way to partisan and you need to touch some grass. Remember everyone in power hates you and me. They are not your friend. And your weird obsession with ThE DeMs is hilarious",
">\n\nWhat are you even arguing about lol? I'm saying dems support right wing dictators which you seem to agree with. So what's your point?",
">\n\nThat the article you posted doesn't say what you think does?",
">\n\nIn Brazil? It ends with Bolsonaro back in power and decades of authoritarian rule.",
">\n\nStop posting misinformation. Maybe the conspiracy sub will fit you better?",
">\n\nThis is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nMyanmar is ruled by a military junta, which is a whole different level of authoritarianism altogether.\nNot analogous, really.\nCountries that are comparable to Myanmar include Burkina Faso, Mali, etc.; not the U.S. nor Brazil.",
">\n\nYep, the coup attempts in those nations are usually credible, well planned and have some level of elite support\nin the US and Brazil they were essentially just a riled up crowd of people rushing into government buildings with no organization or gameplan",
">\n\nThose riled up people were not the coup attempters, just the useful idiots of the coup attempters. Don’t think the fascist are not learning lessons for 2024. Remember Hitler failed in his first attempt, spent time in prison, then about a decade later was creating concentration camps. Western liberal democracies are at a nexus point and the next decade will probably be one of constantly fighting back against authoritarianism.",
">\n\n...then who exactly are the coup attempters?\nTrump absolutely enflamed the situation, but I don't think he was literally asking his supporters to storm the capitol. Bolsanaro meanwhile seems even more out of it and has had basically no involvement in Brazil's coup attempt\nThe institutions of neither country supported the attempt\nso who exactly are the puppetmasters you're referring to here lol",
">\n\nThe riot was the culmination of the effort. Not the self coup itself",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth.\n\nIn his tweeter feed he still identifies him as the President of Brasil. He has said nothing since the violence started.",
">\n\n\nHe has said nothing since the violence started.\n\nWhat? He literally has tho",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nDid American politics really resume \"as normal\", though? Haven't alt-right and conservatives gotten worse?",
">\n\nConsidering the outcome of the '22 mid-terms, it's definitely not normal because Republicans should have swung the House by several dozen seats and won a majority back in the Senate. So yes, alt-right and conservatives have gotten worse and it appears that a growing portion of the American electorate has lost patience with them.",
">\n\nI think 90% of that was Dobbs",
">\n\nExit polling indicated that abortion was #1 priority amongst 27% of voters, which ran 5% behind inflation, an issue that Republicans should have been able to carry the election with if things were normal.",
">\n\nAlso, abortion could be a voter's #1 priority but not affect their vote. This is already an issue sharply divided along party lines. I'm not sure how many people voted differently due to the Supreme Court overturning abortion protections.\nEconomic issues aren't divided this way. Everyone wants a strong economy, they just disagree on the way to get there. So it's very possible that inflation could make an impact on the election while abortion doesn't.",
">\n\n\nEveryone wants a strong economy, they just disagree on the way to get there.\n\nWhere does this presumption come from?\nThe party that has normalized threatening a default - an economic apocalypse so unprecedented we genuinely do not know how bad it could get - should not be presumed to have an interest in the U.S. having a strong economy.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nWe should tolerate fascism less. Its nuts that that most of instigators of Jan 6 among the US political class or their clients in the mass media who gave oxygen to their lunacy have faced zero consequences. Hopefully Brazilian justice system acts more decisively. You're either for democracy - flawed or not - or your for some kind of totalitarian fascist state.",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian."
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