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Round 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.
WWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.
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"This is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.",
">\n\nI did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?\nI assume you mean \"The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin\"\nDon't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are \"against corruption\" in Latin America is just what they alway say",
">\n\nYea and the US says they're fighting corruption when they install right wingers. The fact that the Biden admin recognizes guaido in Venezuela proves that democrats also work to undemocratically install right wingers in Latin America.",
">\n\nBro, stop thinking in terms of political parties. The US is pro maintaing global financial hegemony, and that's it. There is no Democrats or Republucans when it comes to foreign policy (except some weird putin dick sucking on the republican side and the fact the Democrats have a few humans who recognise palastine). The rest is just US foreign policy, you are clearly way to partisan and you need to touch some grass. Remember everyone in power hates you and me. They are not your friend. And your weird obsession with ThE DeMs is hilarious",
">\n\nWhat are you even arguing about lol? I'm saying dems support right wing dictators which you seem to agree with. So what's your point?",
">\n\nThat the article you posted doesn't say what you think does?",
">\n\nIn Brazil? It ends with Bolsonaro back in power and decades of authoritarian rule.",
">\n\nStop posting misinformation. Maybe the conspiracy sub will fit you better?",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.",
">\n\nThis is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nWe should tolerate fascism less. Its nuts that that most of instigators of Jan 6 among the US political class or their clients in the mass media who gave oxygen to their lunacy have faced zero consequences. Hopefully Brazilian justice system acts more decisively. You're either for democracy - flawed or not - or your for some kind of totalitarian fascist state.",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.",
">\n\nI did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?\nI assume you mean \"The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin\"\nDon't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are \"against corruption\" in Latin America is just what they alway say",
">\n\nYea and the US says they're fighting corruption when they install right wingers. The fact that the Biden admin recognizes guaido in Venezuela proves that democrats also work to undemocratically install right wingers in Latin America.",
">\n\nBro, stop thinking in terms of political parties. The US is pro maintaing global financial hegemony, and that's it. There is no Democrats or Republucans when it comes to foreign policy (except some weird putin dick sucking on the republican side and the fact the Democrats have a few humans who recognise palastine). The rest is just US foreign policy, you are clearly way to partisan and you need to touch some grass. Remember everyone in power hates you and me. They are not your friend. And your weird obsession with ThE DeMs is hilarious",
">\n\nWhat are you even arguing about lol? I'm saying dems support right wing dictators which you seem to agree with. So what's your point?",
">\n\nThat the article you posted doesn't say what you think does?",
">\n\nIn Brazil? It ends with Bolsonaro back in power and decades of authoritarian rule.",
">\n\nStop posting misinformation. Maybe the conspiracy sub will fit you better?",
">\n\nThis is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nMyanmar is ruled by a military junta, which is a whole different level of authoritarianism altogether.\nNot analogous, really.\nCountries that are comparable to Myanmar include Burkina Faso, Mali, etc.; not the U.S. nor Brazil.",
">\n\nYep, the coup attempts in those nations are usually credible, well planned and have some level of elite support\nin the US and Brazil they were essentially just a riled up crowd of people rushing into government buildings with no organization or gameplan",
">\n\nThose riled up people were not the coup attempters, just the useful idiots of the coup attempters. Don’t think the fascist are not learning lessons for 2024. Remember Hitler failed in his first attempt, spent time in prison, then about a decade later was creating concentration camps. Western liberal democracies are at a nexus point and the next decade will probably be one of constantly fighting back against authoritarianism.",
">\n\n...then who exactly are the coup attempters?\nTrump absolutely enflamed the situation, but I don't think he was literally asking his supporters to storm the capitol. Bolsanaro meanwhile seems even more out of it and has had basically no involvement in Brazil's coup attempt\nThe institutions of neither country supported the attempt\nso who exactly are the puppetmasters you're referring to here lol",
">\n\nThe riot was the culmination of the effort. Not the self coup itself",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth.\n\nIn his tweeter feed he still identifies him as the President of Brasil. He has said nothing since the violence started.",
">\n\n\nHe has said nothing since the violence started.\n\nWhat? He literally has tho",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nDid American politics really resume \"as normal\", though? Haven't alt-right and conservatives gotten worse?",
">\n\nConsidering the outcome of the '22 mid-terms, it's definitely not normal because Republicans should have swung the House by several dozen seats and won a majority back in the Senate. So yes, alt-right and conservatives have gotten worse and it appears that a growing portion of the American electorate has lost patience with them.",
">\n\nI think 90% of that was Dobbs",
">\n\nExit polling indicated that abortion was #1 priority amongst 27% of voters, which ran 5% behind inflation, an issue that Republicans should have been able to carry the election with if things were normal.",
">\n\nAlso, abortion could be a voter's #1 priority but not affect their vote. This is already an issue sharply divided along party lines. I'm not sure how many people voted differently due to the Supreme Court overturning abortion protections.\nEconomic issues aren't divided this way. Everyone wants a strong economy, they just disagree on the way to get there. So it's very possible that inflation could make an impact on the election while abortion doesn't.",
">\n\n\nEveryone wants a strong economy, they just disagree on the way to get there.\n\nWhere does this presumption come from?\nThe party that has normalized threatening a default - an economic apocalypse so unprecedented we genuinely do not know how bad it could get - should not be presumed to have an interest in the U.S. having a strong economy.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nWe should tolerate fascism less. Its nuts that that most of instigators of Jan 6 among the US political class or their clients in the mass media who gave oxygen to their lunacy have faced zero consequences. Hopefully Brazilian justice system acts more decisively. You're either for democracy - flawed or not - or your for some kind of totalitarian fascist state.",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nThis horseshit is going to continue to spread until would-be fascist rioters see their brethren face some real, immediate consequences. The military should consider the rioters to be a hostile force and act accordingly."
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January 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.
Bolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.
This isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.
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"This is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.",
">\n\nI did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?\nI assume you mean \"The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin\"\nDon't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are \"against corruption\" in Latin America is just what they alway say",
">\n\nYea and the US says they're fighting corruption when they install right wingers. The fact that the Biden admin recognizes guaido in Venezuela proves that democrats also work to undemocratically install right wingers in Latin America.",
">\n\nBro, stop thinking in terms of political parties. The US is pro maintaing global financial hegemony, and that's it. There is no Democrats or Republucans when it comes to foreign policy (except some weird putin dick sucking on the republican side and the fact the Democrats have a few humans who recognise palastine). The rest is just US foreign policy, you are clearly way to partisan and you need to touch some grass. Remember everyone in power hates you and me. They are not your friend. And your weird obsession with ThE DeMs is hilarious",
">\n\nWhat are you even arguing about lol? I'm saying dems support right wing dictators which you seem to agree with. So what's your point?",
">\n\nThat the article you posted doesn't say what you think does?",
">\n\nIn Brazil? It ends with Bolsonaro back in power and decades of authoritarian rule.",
">\n\nStop posting misinformation. Maybe the conspiracy sub will fit you better?",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.",
">\n\nThis is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nWe should tolerate fascism less. Its nuts that that most of instigators of Jan 6 among the US political class or their clients in the mass media who gave oxygen to their lunacy have faced zero consequences. Hopefully Brazilian justice system acts more decisively. You're either for democracy - flawed or not - or your for some kind of totalitarian fascist state.",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.",
">\n\nI did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?\nI assume you mean \"The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin\"\nDon't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are \"against corruption\" in Latin America is just what they alway say",
">\n\nYea and the US says they're fighting corruption when they install right wingers. The fact that the Biden admin recognizes guaido in Venezuela proves that democrats also work to undemocratically install right wingers in Latin America.",
">\n\nBro, stop thinking in terms of political parties. The US is pro maintaing global financial hegemony, and that's it. There is no Democrats or Republucans when it comes to foreign policy (except some weird putin dick sucking on the republican side and the fact the Democrats have a few humans who recognise palastine). The rest is just US foreign policy, you are clearly way to partisan and you need to touch some grass. Remember everyone in power hates you and me. They are not your friend. And your weird obsession with ThE DeMs is hilarious",
">\n\nWhat are you even arguing about lol? I'm saying dems support right wing dictators which you seem to agree with. So what's your point?",
">\n\nThat the article you posted doesn't say what you think does?",
">\n\nIn Brazil? It ends with Bolsonaro back in power and decades of authoritarian rule.",
">\n\nStop posting misinformation. Maybe the conspiracy sub will fit you better?",
">\n\nThis is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nMyanmar is ruled by a military junta, which is a whole different level of authoritarianism altogether.\nNot analogous, really.\nCountries that are comparable to Myanmar include Burkina Faso, Mali, etc.; not the U.S. nor Brazil.",
">\n\nYep, the coup attempts in those nations are usually credible, well planned and have some level of elite support\nin the US and Brazil they were essentially just a riled up crowd of people rushing into government buildings with no organization or gameplan",
">\n\nThose riled up people were not the coup attempters, just the useful idiots of the coup attempters. Don’t think the fascist are not learning lessons for 2024. Remember Hitler failed in his first attempt, spent time in prison, then about a decade later was creating concentration camps. Western liberal democracies are at a nexus point and the next decade will probably be one of constantly fighting back against authoritarianism.",
">\n\n...then who exactly are the coup attempters?\nTrump absolutely enflamed the situation, but I don't think he was literally asking his supporters to storm the capitol. Bolsanaro meanwhile seems even more out of it and has had basically no involvement in Brazil's coup attempt\nThe institutions of neither country supported the attempt\nso who exactly are the puppetmasters you're referring to here lol",
">\n\nThe riot was the culmination of the effort. Not the self coup itself",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth.\n\nIn his tweeter feed he still identifies him as the President of Brasil. He has said nothing since the violence started.",
">\n\n\nHe has said nothing since the violence started.\n\nWhat? He literally has tho",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nDid American politics really resume \"as normal\", though? Haven't alt-right and conservatives gotten worse?",
">\n\nConsidering the outcome of the '22 mid-terms, it's definitely not normal because Republicans should have swung the House by several dozen seats and won a majority back in the Senate. So yes, alt-right and conservatives have gotten worse and it appears that a growing portion of the American electorate has lost patience with them.",
">\n\nI think 90% of that was Dobbs",
">\n\nExit polling indicated that abortion was #1 priority amongst 27% of voters, which ran 5% behind inflation, an issue that Republicans should have been able to carry the election with if things were normal.",
">\n\nAlso, abortion could be a voter's #1 priority but not affect their vote. This is already an issue sharply divided along party lines. I'm not sure how many people voted differently due to the Supreme Court overturning abortion protections.\nEconomic issues aren't divided this way. Everyone wants a strong economy, they just disagree on the way to get there. So it's very possible that inflation could make an impact on the election while abortion doesn't.",
">\n\n\nEveryone wants a strong economy, they just disagree on the way to get there.\n\nWhere does this presumption come from?\nThe party that has normalized threatening a default - an economic apocalypse so unprecedented we genuinely do not know how bad it could get - should not be presumed to have an interest in the U.S. having a strong economy.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nWe should tolerate fascism less. Its nuts that that most of instigators of Jan 6 among the US political class or their clients in the mass media who gave oxygen to their lunacy have faced zero consequences. Hopefully Brazilian justice system acts more decisively. You're either for democracy - flawed or not - or your for some kind of totalitarian fascist state.",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nThis horseshit is going to continue to spread until would-be fascist rioters see their brethren face some real, immediate consequences. The military should consider the rioters to be a hostile force and act accordingly.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right."
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the "security barriers" were like the ones in the capitol...
so, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy
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"This is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.",
">\n\nI did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?\nI assume you mean \"The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin\"\nDon't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are \"against corruption\" in Latin America is just what they alway say",
">\n\nYea and the US says they're fighting corruption when they install right wingers. The fact that the Biden admin recognizes guaido in Venezuela proves that democrats also work to undemocratically install right wingers in Latin America.",
">\n\nBro, stop thinking in terms of political parties. The US is pro maintaing global financial hegemony, and that's it. There is no Democrats or Republucans when it comes to foreign policy (except some weird putin dick sucking on the republican side and the fact the Democrats have a few humans who recognise palastine). The rest is just US foreign policy, you are clearly way to partisan and you need to touch some grass. Remember everyone in power hates you and me. They are not your friend. And your weird obsession with ThE DeMs is hilarious",
">\n\nWhat are you even arguing about lol? I'm saying dems support right wing dictators which you seem to agree with. So what's your point?",
">\n\nThat the article you posted doesn't say what you think does?",
">\n\nIn Brazil? It ends with Bolsonaro back in power and decades of authoritarian rule.",
">\n\nStop posting misinformation. Maybe the conspiracy sub will fit you better?",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.",
">\n\nThis is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nWe should tolerate fascism less. Its nuts that that most of instigators of Jan 6 among the US political class or their clients in the mass media who gave oxygen to their lunacy have faced zero consequences. Hopefully Brazilian justice system acts more decisively. You're either for democracy - flawed or not - or your for some kind of totalitarian fascist state.",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.",
">\n\nI did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?\nI assume you mean \"The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin\"\nDon't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are \"against corruption\" in Latin America is just what they alway say",
">\n\nYea and the US says they're fighting corruption when they install right wingers. The fact that the Biden admin recognizes guaido in Venezuela proves that democrats also work to undemocratically install right wingers in Latin America.",
">\n\nBro, stop thinking in terms of political parties. The US is pro maintaing global financial hegemony, and that's it. There is no Democrats or Republucans when it comes to foreign policy (except some weird putin dick sucking on the republican side and the fact the Democrats have a few humans who recognise palastine). The rest is just US foreign policy, you are clearly way to partisan and you need to touch some grass. Remember everyone in power hates you and me. They are not your friend. And your weird obsession with ThE DeMs is hilarious",
">\n\nWhat are you even arguing about lol? I'm saying dems support right wing dictators which you seem to agree with. So what's your point?",
">\n\nThat the article you posted doesn't say what you think does?",
">\n\nIn Brazil? It ends with Bolsonaro back in power and decades of authoritarian rule.",
">\n\nStop posting misinformation. Maybe the conspiracy sub will fit you better?",
">\n\nThis is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nMyanmar is ruled by a military junta, which is a whole different level of authoritarianism altogether.\nNot analogous, really.\nCountries that are comparable to Myanmar include Burkina Faso, Mali, etc.; not the U.S. nor Brazil.",
">\n\nYep, the coup attempts in those nations are usually credible, well planned and have some level of elite support\nin the US and Brazil they were essentially just a riled up crowd of people rushing into government buildings with no organization or gameplan",
">\n\nThose riled up people were not the coup attempters, just the useful idiots of the coup attempters. Don’t think the fascist are not learning lessons for 2024. Remember Hitler failed in his first attempt, spent time in prison, then about a decade later was creating concentration camps. Western liberal democracies are at a nexus point and the next decade will probably be one of constantly fighting back against authoritarianism.",
">\n\n...then who exactly are the coup attempters?\nTrump absolutely enflamed the situation, but I don't think he was literally asking his supporters to storm the capitol. Bolsanaro meanwhile seems even more out of it and has had basically no involvement in Brazil's coup attempt\nThe institutions of neither country supported the attempt\nso who exactly are the puppetmasters you're referring to here lol",
">\n\nThe riot was the culmination of the effort. Not the self coup itself",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth.\n\nIn his tweeter feed he still identifies him as the President of Brasil. He has said nothing since the violence started.",
">\n\n\nHe has said nothing since the violence started.\n\nWhat? He literally has tho",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nDid American politics really resume \"as normal\", though? Haven't alt-right and conservatives gotten worse?",
">\n\nConsidering the outcome of the '22 mid-terms, it's definitely not normal because Republicans should have swung the House by several dozen seats and won a majority back in the Senate. So yes, alt-right and conservatives have gotten worse and it appears that a growing portion of the American electorate has lost patience with them.",
">\n\nI think 90% of that was Dobbs",
">\n\nExit polling indicated that abortion was #1 priority amongst 27% of voters, which ran 5% behind inflation, an issue that Republicans should have been able to carry the election with if things were normal.",
">\n\nAlso, abortion could be a voter's #1 priority but not affect their vote. This is already an issue sharply divided along party lines. I'm not sure how many people voted differently due to the Supreme Court overturning abortion protections.\nEconomic issues aren't divided this way. Everyone wants a strong economy, they just disagree on the way to get there. So it's very possible that inflation could make an impact on the election while abortion doesn't.",
">\n\n\nEveryone wants a strong economy, they just disagree on the way to get there.\n\nWhere does this presumption come from?\nThe party that has normalized threatening a default - an economic apocalypse so unprecedented we genuinely do not know how bad it could get - should not be presumed to have an interest in the U.S. having a strong economy.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nWe should tolerate fascism less. Its nuts that that most of instigators of Jan 6 among the US political class or their clients in the mass media who gave oxygen to their lunacy have faced zero consequences. Hopefully Brazilian justice system acts more decisively. You're either for democracy - flawed or not - or your for some kind of totalitarian fascist state.",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nThis horseshit is going to continue to spread until would-be fascist rioters see their brethren face some real, immediate consequences. The military should consider the rioters to be a hostile force and act accordingly.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event."
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“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.
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"This is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.",
">\n\nI did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?\nI assume you mean \"The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin\"\nDon't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are \"against corruption\" in Latin America is just what they alway say",
">\n\nYea and the US says they're fighting corruption when they install right wingers. The fact that the Biden admin recognizes guaido in Venezuela proves that democrats also work to undemocratically install right wingers in Latin America.",
">\n\nBro, stop thinking in terms of political parties. The US is pro maintaing global financial hegemony, and that's it. There is no Democrats or Republucans when it comes to foreign policy (except some weird putin dick sucking on the republican side and the fact the Democrats have a few humans who recognise palastine). The rest is just US foreign policy, you are clearly way to partisan and you need to touch some grass. Remember everyone in power hates you and me. They are not your friend. And your weird obsession with ThE DeMs is hilarious",
">\n\nWhat are you even arguing about lol? I'm saying dems support right wing dictators which you seem to agree with. So what's your point?",
">\n\nThat the article you posted doesn't say what you think does?",
">\n\nIn Brazil? It ends with Bolsonaro back in power and decades of authoritarian rule.",
">\n\nStop posting misinformation. Maybe the conspiracy sub will fit you better?",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.",
">\n\nThis is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nWe should tolerate fascism less. Its nuts that that most of instigators of Jan 6 among the US political class or their clients in the mass media who gave oxygen to their lunacy have faced zero consequences. Hopefully Brazilian justice system acts more decisively. You're either for democracy - flawed or not - or your for some kind of totalitarian fascist state.",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.",
">\n\nI did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?\nI assume you mean \"The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin\"\nDon't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are \"against corruption\" in Latin America is just what they alway say",
">\n\nYea and the US says they're fighting corruption when they install right wingers. The fact that the Biden admin recognizes guaido in Venezuela proves that democrats also work to undemocratically install right wingers in Latin America.",
">\n\nBro, stop thinking in terms of political parties. The US is pro maintaing global financial hegemony, and that's it. There is no Democrats or Republucans when it comes to foreign policy (except some weird putin dick sucking on the republican side and the fact the Democrats have a few humans who recognise palastine). The rest is just US foreign policy, you are clearly way to partisan and you need to touch some grass. Remember everyone in power hates you and me. They are not your friend. And your weird obsession with ThE DeMs is hilarious",
">\n\nWhat are you even arguing about lol? I'm saying dems support right wing dictators which you seem to agree with. So what's your point?",
">\n\nThat the article you posted doesn't say what you think does?",
">\n\nIn Brazil? It ends with Bolsonaro back in power and decades of authoritarian rule.",
">\n\nStop posting misinformation. Maybe the conspiracy sub will fit you better?",
">\n\nThis is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nMyanmar is ruled by a military junta, which is a whole different level of authoritarianism altogether.\nNot analogous, really.\nCountries that are comparable to Myanmar include Burkina Faso, Mali, etc.; not the U.S. nor Brazil.",
">\n\nYep, the coup attempts in those nations are usually credible, well planned and have some level of elite support\nin the US and Brazil they were essentially just a riled up crowd of people rushing into government buildings with no organization or gameplan",
">\n\nThose riled up people were not the coup attempters, just the useful idiots of the coup attempters. Don’t think the fascist are not learning lessons for 2024. Remember Hitler failed in his first attempt, spent time in prison, then about a decade later was creating concentration camps. Western liberal democracies are at a nexus point and the next decade will probably be one of constantly fighting back against authoritarianism.",
">\n\n...then who exactly are the coup attempters?\nTrump absolutely enflamed the situation, but I don't think he was literally asking his supporters to storm the capitol. Bolsanaro meanwhile seems even more out of it and has had basically no involvement in Brazil's coup attempt\nThe institutions of neither country supported the attempt\nso who exactly are the puppetmasters you're referring to here lol",
">\n\nThe riot was the culmination of the effort. Not the self coup itself",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth.\n\nIn his tweeter feed he still identifies him as the President of Brasil. He has said nothing since the violence started.",
">\n\n\nHe has said nothing since the violence started.\n\nWhat? He literally has tho",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nDid American politics really resume \"as normal\", though? Haven't alt-right and conservatives gotten worse?",
">\n\nConsidering the outcome of the '22 mid-terms, it's definitely not normal because Republicans should have swung the House by several dozen seats and won a majority back in the Senate. So yes, alt-right and conservatives have gotten worse and it appears that a growing portion of the American electorate has lost patience with them.",
">\n\nI think 90% of that was Dobbs",
">\n\nExit polling indicated that abortion was #1 priority amongst 27% of voters, which ran 5% behind inflation, an issue that Republicans should have been able to carry the election with if things were normal.",
">\n\nAlso, abortion could be a voter's #1 priority but not affect their vote. This is already an issue sharply divided along party lines. I'm not sure how many people voted differently due to the Supreme Court overturning abortion protections.\nEconomic issues aren't divided this way. Everyone wants a strong economy, they just disagree on the way to get there. So it's very possible that inflation could make an impact on the election while abortion doesn't.",
">\n\n\nEveryone wants a strong economy, they just disagree on the way to get there.\n\nWhere does this presumption come from?\nThe party that has normalized threatening a default - an economic apocalypse so unprecedented we genuinely do not know how bad it could get - should not be presumed to have an interest in the U.S. having a strong economy.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nWe should tolerate fascism less. Its nuts that that most of instigators of Jan 6 among the US political class or their clients in the mass media who gave oxygen to their lunacy have faced zero consequences. Hopefully Brazilian justice system acts more decisively. You're either for democracy - flawed or not - or your for some kind of totalitarian fascist state.",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nThis horseshit is going to continue to spread until would-be fascist rioters see their brethren face some real, immediate consequences. The military should consider the rioters to be a hostile force and act accordingly.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy"
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You do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?
It's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.
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"This is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.",
">\n\nI did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?\nI assume you mean \"The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin\"\nDon't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are \"against corruption\" in Latin America is just what they alway say",
">\n\nYea and the US says they're fighting corruption when they install right wingers. The fact that the Biden admin recognizes guaido in Venezuela proves that democrats also work to undemocratically install right wingers in Latin America.",
">\n\nBro, stop thinking in terms of political parties. The US is pro maintaing global financial hegemony, and that's it. There is no Democrats or Republucans when it comes to foreign policy (except some weird putin dick sucking on the republican side and the fact the Democrats have a few humans who recognise palastine). The rest is just US foreign policy, you are clearly way to partisan and you need to touch some grass. Remember everyone in power hates you and me. They are not your friend. And your weird obsession with ThE DeMs is hilarious",
">\n\nWhat are you even arguing about lol? I'm saying dems support right wing dictators which you seem to agree with. So what's your point?",
">\n\nThat the article you posted doesn't say what you think does?",
">\n\nIn Brazil? It ends with Bolsonaro back in power and decades of authoritarian rule.",
">\n\nStop posting misinformation. Maybe the conspiracy sub will fit you better?",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.",
">\n\nThis is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nWe should tolerate fascism less. Its nuts that that most of instigators of Jan 6 among the US political class or their clients in the mass media who gave oxygen to their lunacy have faced zero consequences. Hopefully Brazilian justice system acts more decisively. You're either for democracy - flawed or not - or your for some kind of totalitarian fascist state.",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.",
">\n\nI did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?\nI assume you mean \"The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin\"\nDon't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are \"against corruption\" in Latin America is just what they alway say",
">\n\nYea and the US says they're fighting corruption when they install right wingers. The fact that the Biden admin recognizes guaido in Venezuela proves that democrats also work to undemocratically install right wingers in Latin America.",
">\n\nBro, stop thinking in terms of political parties. The US is pro maintaing global financial hegemony, and that's it. There is no Democrats or Republucans when it comes to foreign policy (except some weird putin dick sucking on the republican side and the fact the Democrats have a few humans who recognise palastine). The rest is just US foreign policy, you are clearly way to partisan and you need to touch some grass. Remember everyone in power hates you and me. They are not your friend. And your weird obsession with ThE DeMs is hilarious",
">\n\nWhat are you even arguing about lol? I'm saying dems support right wing dictators which you seem to agree with. So what's your point?",
">\n\nThat the article you posted doesn't say what you think does?",
">\n\nIn Brazil? It ends with Bolsonaro back in power and decades of authoritarian rule.",
">\n\nStop posting misinformation. Maybe the conspiracy sub will fit you better?",
">\n\nThis is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nMyanmar is ruled by a military junta, which is a whole different level of authoritarianism altogether.\nNot analogous, really.\nCountries that are comparable to Myanmar include Burkina Faso, Mali, etc.; not the U.S. nor Brazil.",
">\n\nYep, the coup attempts in those nations are usually credible, well planned and have some level of elite support\nin the US and Brazil they were essentially just a riled up crowd of people rushing into government buildings with no organization or gameplan",
">\n\nThose riled up people were not the coup attempters, just the useful idiots of the coup attempters. Don’t think the fascist are not learning lessons for 2024. Remember Hitler failed in his first attempt, spent time in prison, then about a decade later was creating concentration camps. Western liberal democracies are at a nexus point and the next decade will probably be one of constantly fighting back against authoritarianism.",
">\n\n...then who exactly are the coup attempters?\nTrump absolutely enflamed the situation, but I don't think he was literally asking his supporters to storm the capitol. Bolsanaro meanwhile seems even more out of it and has had basically no involvement in Brazil's coup attempt\nThe institutions of neither country supported the attempt\nso who exactly are the puppetmasters you're referring to here lol",
">\n\nThe riot was the culmination of the effort. Not the self coup itself",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth.\n\nIn his tweeter feed he still identifies him as the President of Brasil. He has said nothing since the violence started.",
">\n\n\nHe has said nothing since the violence started.\n\nWhat? He literally has tho",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nDid American politics really resume \"as normal\", though? Haven't alt-right and conservatives gotten worse?",
">\n\nConsidering the outcome of the '22 mid-terms, it's definitely not normal because Republicans should have swung the House by several dozen seats and won a majority back in the Senate. So yes, alt-right and conservatives have gotten worse and it appears that a growing portion of the American electorate has lost patience with them.",
">\n\nI think 90% of that was Dobbs",
">\n\nExit polling indicated that abortion was #1 priority amongst 27% of voters, which ran 5% behind inflation, an issue that Republicans should have been able to carry the election with if things were normal.",
">\n\nAlso, abortion could be a voter's #1 priority but not affect their vote. This is already an issue sharply divided along party lines. I'm not sure how many people voted differently due to the Supreme Court overturning abortion protections.\nEconomic issues aren't divided this way. Everyone wants a strong economy, they just disagree on the way to get there. So it's very possible that inflation could make an impact on the election while abortion doesn't.",
">\n\n\nEveryone wants a strong economy, they just disagree on the way to get there.\n\nWhere does this presumption come from?\nThe party that has normalized threatening a default - an economic apocalypse so unprecedented we genuinely do not know how bad it could get - should not be presumed to have an interest in the U.S. having a strong economy.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nWe should tolerate fascism less. Its nuts that that most of instigators of Jan 6 among the US political class or their clients in the mass media who gave oxygen to their lunacy have faced zero consequences. Hopefully Brazilian justice system acts more decisively. You're either for democracy - flawed or not - or your for some kind of totalitarian fascist state.",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nThis horseshit is going to continue to spread until would-be fascist rioters see their brethren face some real, immediate consequences. The military should consider the rioters to be a hostile force and act accordingly.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too."
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Yeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.
Edit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.
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"This is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.",
">\n\nI did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?\nI assume you mean \"The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin\"\nDon't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are \"against corruption\" in Latin America is just what they alway say",
">\n\nYea and the US says they're fighting corruption when they install right wingers. The fact that the Biden admin recognizes guaido in Venezuela proves that democrats also work to undemocratically install right wingers in Latin America.",
">\n\nBro, stop thinking in terms of political parties. The US is pro maintaing global financial hegemony, and that's it. There is no Democrats or Republucans when it comes to foreign policy (except some weird putin dick sucking on the republican side and the fact the Democrats have a few humans who recognise palastine). The rest is just US foreign policy, you are clearly way to partisan and you need to touch some grass. Remember everyone in power hates you and me. They are not your friend. And your weird obsession with ThE DeMs is hilarious",
">\n\nWhat are you even arguing about lol? I'm saying dems support right wing dictators which you seem to agree with. So what's your point?",
">\n\nThat the article you posted doesn't say what you think does?",
">\n\nIn Brazil? It ends with Bolsonaro back in power and decades of authoritarian rule.",
">\n\nStop posting misinformation. Maybe the conspiracy sub will fit you better?",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.",
">\n\nThis is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nWe should tolerate fascism less. Its nuts that that most of instigators of Jan 6 among the US political class or their clients in the mass media who gave oxygen to their lunacy have faced zero consequences. Hopefully Brazilian justice system acts more decisively. You're either for democracy - flawed or not - or your for some kind of totalitarian fascist state.",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.",
">\n\nI did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?\nI assume you mean \"The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin\"\nDon't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are \"against corruption\" in Latin America is just what they alway say",
">\n\nYea and the US says they're fighting corruption when they install right wingers. The fact that the Biden admin recognizes guaido in Venezuela proves that democrats also work to undemocratically install right wingers in Latin America.",
">\n\nBro, stop thinking in terms of political parties. The US is pro maintaing global financial hegemony, and that's it. There is no Democrats or Republucans when it comes to foreign policy (except some weird putin dick sucking on the republican side and the fact the Democrats have a few humans who recognise palastine). The rest is just US foreign policy, you are clearly way to partisan and you need to touch some grass. Remember everyone in power hates you and me. They are not your friend. And your weird obsession with ThE DeMs is hilarious",
">\n\nWhat are you even arguing about lol? I'm saying dems support right wing dictators which you seem to agree with. So what's your point?",
">\n\nThat the article you posted doesn't say what you think does?",
">\n\nIn Brazil? It ends with Bolsonaro back in power and decades of authoritarian rule.",
">\n\nStop posting misinformation. Maybe the conspiracy sub will fit you better?",
">\n\nThis is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nMyanmar is ruled by a military junta, which is a whole different level of authoritarianism altogether.\nNot analogous, really.\nCountries that are comparable to Myanmar include Burkina Faso, Mali, etc.; not the U.S. nor Brazil.",
">\n\nYep, the coup attempts in those nations are usually credible, well planned and have some level of elite support\nin the US and Brazil they were essentially just a riled up crowd of people rushing into government buildings with no organization or gameplan",
">\n\nThose riled up people were not the coup attempters, just the useful idiots of the coup attempters. Don’t think the fascist are not learning lessons for 2024. Remember Hitler failed in his first attempt, spent time in prison, then about a decade later was creating concentration camps. Western liberal democracies are at a nexus point and the next decade will probably be one of constantly fighting back against authoritarianism.",
">\n\n...then who exactly are the coup attempters?\nTrump absolutely enflamed the situation, but I don't think he was literally asking his supporters to storm the capitol. Bolsanaro meanwhile seems even more out of it and has had basically no involvement in Brazil's coup attempt\nThe institutions of neither country supported the attempt\nso who exactly are the puppetmasters you're referring to here lol",
">\n\nThe riot was the culmination of the effort. Not the self coup itself",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth.\n\nIn his tweeter feed he still identifies him as the President of Brasil. He has said nothing since the violence started.",
">\n\n\nHe has said nothing since the violence started.\n\nWhat? He literally has tho",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nDid American politics really resume \"as normal\", though? Haven't alt-right and conservatives gotten worse?",
">\n\nConsidering the outcome of the '22 mid-terms, it's definitely not normal because Republicans should have swung the House by several dozen seats and won a majority back in the Senate. So yes, alt-right and conservatives have gotten worse and it appears that a growing portion of the American electorate has lost patience with them.",
">\n\nI think 90% of that was Dobbs",
">\n\nExit polling indicated that abortion was #1 priority amongst 27% of voters, which ran 5% behind inflation, an issue that Republicans should have been able to carry the election with if things were normal.",
">\n\nAlso, abortion could be a voter's #1 priority but not affect their vote. This is already an issue sharply divided along party lines. I'm not sure how many people voted differently due to the Supreme Court overturning abortion protections.\nEconomic issues aren't divided this way. Everyone wants a strong economy, they just disagree on the way to get there. So it's very possible that inflation could make an impact on the election while abortion doesn't.",
">\n\n\nEveryone wants a strong economy, they just disagree on the way to get there.\n\nWhere does this presumption come from?\nThe party that has normalized threatening a default - an economic apocalypse so unprecedented we genuinely do not know how bad it could get - should not be presumed to have an interest in the U.S. having a strong economy.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nWe should tolerate fascism less. Its nuts that that most of instigators of Jan 6 among the US political class or their clients in the mass media who gave oxygen to their lunacy have faced zero consequences. Hopefully Brazilian justice system acts more decisively. You're either for democracy - flawed or not - or your for some kind of totalitarian fascist state.",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nThis horseshit is going to continue to spread until would-be fascist rioters see their brethren face some real, immediate consequences. The military should consider the rioters to be a hostile force and act accordingly.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once."
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"This is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.",
">\n\nI did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?\nI assume you mean \"The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin\"\nDon't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are \"against corruption\" in Latin America is just what they alway say",
">\n\nYea and the US says they're fighting corruption when they install right wingers. The fact that the Biden admin recognizes guaido in Venezuela proves that democrats also work to undemocratically install right wingers in Latin America.",
">\n\nBro, stop thinking in terms of political parties. The US is pro maintaing global financial hegemony, and that's it. There is no Democrats or Republucans when it comes to foreign policy (except some weird putin dick sucking on the republican side and the fact the Democrats have a few humans who recognise palastine). The rest is just US foreign policy, you are clearly way to partisan and you need to touch some grass. Remember everyone in power hates you and me. They are not your friend. And your weird obsession with ThE DeMs is hilarious",
">\n\nWhat are you even arguing about lol? I'm saying dems support right wing dictators which you seem to agree with. So what's your point?",
">\n\nThat the article you posted doesn't say what you think does?",
">\n\nIn Brazil? It ends with Bolsonaro back in power and decades of authoritarian rule.",
">\n\nStop posting misinformation. Maybe the conspiracy sub will fit you better?",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.",
">\n\nThis is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nWe should tolerate fascism less. Its nuts that that most of instigators of Jan 6 among the US political class or their clients in the mass media who gave oxygen to their lunacy have faced zero consequences. Hopefully Brazilian justice system acts more decisively. You're either for democracy - flawed or not - or your for some kind of totalitarian fascist state.",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.",
">\n\nI did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?\nI assume you mean \"The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin\"\nDon't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are \"against corruption\" in Latin America is just what they alway say",
">\n\nYea and the US says they're fighting corruption when they install right wingers. The fact that the Biden admin recognizes guaido in Venezuela proves that democrats also work to undemocratically install right wingers in Latin America.",
">\n\nBro, stop thinking in terms of political parties. The US is pro maintaing global financial hegemony, and that's it. There is no Democrats or Republucans when it comes to foreign policy (except some weird putin dick sucking on the republican side and the fact the Democrats have a few humans who recognise palastine). The rest is just US foreign policy, you are clearly way to partisan and you need to touch some grass. Remember everyone in power hates you and me. They are not your friend. And your weird obsession with ThE DeMs is hilarious",
">\n\nWhat are you even arguing about lol? I'm saying dems support right wing dictators which you seem to agree with. So what's your point?",
">\n\nThat the article you posted doesn't say what you think does?",
">\n\nIn Brazil? It ends with Bolsonaro back in power and decades of authoritarian rule.",
">\n\nStop posting misinformation. Maybe the conspiracy sub will fit you better?",
">\n\nThis is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nMyanmar is ruled by a military junta, which is a whole different level of authoritarianism altogether.\nNot analogous, really.\nCountries that are comparable to Myanmar include Burkina Faso, Mali, etc.; not the U.S. nor Brazil.",
">\n\nYep, the coup attempts in those nations are usually credible, well planned and have some level of elite support\nin the US and Brazil they were essentially just a riled up crowd of people rushing into government buildings with no organization or gameplan",
">\n\nThose riled up people were not the coup attempters, just the useful idiots of the coup attempters. Don’t think the fascist are not learning lessons for 2024. Remember Hitler failed in his first attempt, spent time in prison, then about a decade later was creating concentration camps. Western liberal democracies are at a nexus point and the next decade will probably be one of constantly fighting back against authoritarianism.",
">\n\n...then who exactly are the coup attempters?\nTrump absolutely enflamed the situation, but I don't think he was literally asking his supporters to storm the capitol. Bolsanaro meanwhile seems even more out of it and has had basically no involvement in Brazil's coup attempt\nThe institutions of neither country supported the attempt\nso who exactly are the puppetmasters you're referring to here lol",
">\n\nThe riot was the culmination of the effort. Not the self coup itself",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth.\n\nIn his tweeter feed he still identifies him as the President of Brasil. He has said nothing since the violence started.",
">\n\n\nHe has said nothing since the violence started.\n\nWhat? He literally has tho",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nDid American politics really resume \"as normal\", though? Haven't alt-right and conservatives gotten worse?",
">\n\nConsidering the outcome of the '22 mid-terms, it's definitely not normal because Republicans should have swung the House by several dozen seats and won a majority back in the Senate. So yes, alt-right and conservatives have gotten worse and it appears that a growing portion of the American electorate has lost patience with them.",
">\n\nI think 90% of that was Dobbs",
">\n\nExit polling indicated that abortion was #1 priority amongst 27% of voters, which ran 5% behind inflation, an issue that Republicans should have been able to carry the election with if things were normal.",
">\n\nAlso, abortion could be a voter's #1 priority but not affect their vote. This is already an issue sharply divided along party lines. I'm not sure how many people voted differently due to the Supreme Court overturning abortion protections.\nEconomic issues aren't divided this way. Everyone wants a strong economy, they just disagree on the way to get there. So it's very possible that inflation could make an impact on the election while abortion doesn't.",
">\n\n\nEveryone wants a strong economy, they just disagree on the way to get there.\n\nWhere does this presumption come from?\nThe party that has normalized threatening a default - an economic apocalypse so unprecedented we genuinely do not know how bad it could get - should not be presumed to have an interest in the U.S. having a strong economy.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nWe should tolerate fascism less. Its nuts that that most of instigators of Jan 6 among the US political class or their clients in the mass media who gave oxygen to their lunacy have faced zero consequences. Hopefully Brazilian justice system acts more decisively. You're either for democracy - flawed or not - or your for some kind of totalitarian fascist state.",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nThis horseshit is going to continue to spread until would-be fascist rioters see their brethren face some real, immediate consequences. The military should consider the rioters to be a hostile force and act accordingly.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things."
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Well it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.
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"This is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.",
">\n\nI did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?\nI assume you mean \"The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin\"\nDon't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are \"against corruption\" in Latin America is just what they alway say",
">\n\nYea and the US says they're fighting corruption when they install right wingers. The fact that the Biden admin recognizes guaido in Venezuela proves that democrats also work to undemocratically install right wingers in Latin America.",
">\n\nBro, stop thinking in terms of political parties. The US is pro maintaing global financial hegemony, and that's it. There is no Democrats or Republucans when it comes to foreign policy (except some weird putin dick sucking on the republican side and the fact the Democrats have a few humans who recognise palastine). The rest is just US foreign policy, you are clearly way to partisan and you need to touch some grass. Remember everyone in power hates you and me. They are not your friend. And your weird obsession with ThE DeMs is hilarious",
">\n\nWhat are you even arguing about lol? I'm saying dems support right wing dictators which you seem to agree with. So what's your point?",
">\n\nThat the article you posted doesn't say what you think does?",
">\n\nIn Brazil? It ends with Bolsonaro back in power and decades of authoritarian rule.",
">\n\nStop posting misinformation. Maybe the conspiracy sub will fit you better?",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.",
">\n\nThis is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nWe should tolerate fascism less. Its nuts that that most of instigators of Jan 6 among the US political class or their clients in the mass media who gave oxygen to their lunacy have faced zero consequences. Hopefully Brazilian justice system acts more decisively. You're either for democracy - flawed or not - or your for some kind of totalitarian fascist state.",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.",
">\n\nI did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?\nI assume you mean \"The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin\"\nDon't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are \"against corruption\" in Latin America is just what they alway say",
">\n\nYea and the US says they're fighting corruption when they install right wingers. The fact that the Biden admin recognizes guaido in Venezuela proves that democrats also work to undemocratically install right wingers in Latin America.",
">\n\nBro, stop thinking in terms of political parties. The US is pro maintaing global financial hegemony, and that's it. There is no Democrats or Republucans when it comes to foreign policy (except some weird putin dick sucking on the republican side and the fact the Democrats have a few humans who recognise palastine). The rest is just US foreign policy, you are clearly way to partisan and you need to touch some grass. Remember everyone in power hates you and me. They are not your friend. And your weird obsession with ThE DeMs is hilarious",
">\n\nWhat are you even arguing about lol? I'm saying dems support right wing dictators which you seem to agree with. So what's your point?",
">\n\nThat the article you posted doesn't say what you think does?",
">\n\nIn Brazil? It ends with Bolsonaro back in power and decades of authoritarian rule.",
">\n\nStop posting misinformation. Maybe the conspiracy sub will fit you better?",
">\n\nThis is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nMyanmar is ruled by a military junta, which is a whole different level of authoritarianism altogether.\nNot analogous, really.\nCountries that are comparable to Myanmar include Burkina Faso, Mali, etc.; not the U.S. nor Brazil.",
">\n\nYep, the coup attempts in those nations are usually credible, well planned and have some level of elite support\nin the US and Brazil they were essentially just a riled up crowd of people rushing into government buildings with no organization or gameplan",
">\n\nThose riled up people were not the coup attempters, just the useful idiots of the coup attempters. Don’t think the fascist are not learning lessons for 2024. Remember Hitler failed in his first attempt, spent time in prison, then about a decade later was creating concentration camps. Western liberal democracies are at a nexus point and the next decade will probably be one of constantly fighting back against authoritarianism.",
">\n\n...then who exactly are the coup attempters?\nTrump absolutely enflamed the situation, but I don't think he was literally asking his supporters to storm the capitol. Bolsanaro meanwhile seems even more out of it and has had basically no involvement in Brazil's coup attempt\nThe institutions of neither country supported the attempt\nso who exactly are the puppetmasters you're referring to here lol",
">\n\nThe riot was the culmination of the effort. Not the self coup itself",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth.\n\nIn his tweeter feed he still identifies him as the President of Brasil. He has said nothing since the violence started.",
">\n\n\nHe has said nothing since the violence started.\n\nWhat? He literally has tho",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nDid American politics really resume \"as normal\", though? Haven't alt-right and conservatives gotten worse?",
">\n\nConsidering the outcome of the '22 mid-terms, it's definitely not normal because Republicans should have swung the House by several dozen seats and won a majority back in the Senate. So yes, alt-right and conservatives have gotten worse and it appears that a growing portion of the American electorate has lost patience with them.",
">\n\nI think 90% of that was Dobbs",
">\n\nExit polling indicated that abortion was #1 priority amongst 27% of voters, which ran 5% behind inflation, an issue that Republicans should have been able to carry the election with if things were normal.",
">\n\nAlso, abortion could be a voter's #1 priority but not affect their vote. This is already an issue sharply divided along party lines. I'm not sure how many people voted differently due to the Supreme Court overturning abortion protections.\nEconomic issues aren't divided this way. Everyone wants a strong economy, they just disagree on the way to get there. So it's very possible that inflation could make an impact on the election while abortion doesn't.",
">\n\n\nEveryone wants a strong economy, they just disagree on the way to get there.\n\nWhere does this presumption come from?\nThe party that has normalized threatening a default - an economic apocalypse so unprecedented we genuinely do not know how bad it could get - should not be presumed to have an interest in the U.S. having a strong economy.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nWe should tolerate fascism less. Its nuts that that most of instigators of Jan 6 among the US political class or their clients in the mass media who gave oxygen to their lunacy have faced zero consequences. Hopefully Brazilian justice system acts more decisively. You're either for democracy - flawed or not - or your for some kind of totalitarian fascist state.",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nThis horseshit is going to continue to spread until would-be fascist rioters see their brethren face some real, immediate consequences. The military should consider the rioters to be a hostile force and act accordingly.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.",
">\n\nIn Brazil? It ends with Bolsonaro back in power and decades of authoritarian rule."
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No, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?
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"This is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.",
">\n\nI did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?\nI assume you mean \"The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin\"\nDon't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are \"against corruption\" in Latin America is just what they alway say",
">\n\nYea and the US says they're fighting corruption when they install right wingers. The fact that the Biden admin recognizes guaido in Venezuela proves that democrats also work to undemocratically install right wingers in Latin America.",
">\n\nBro, stop thinking in terms of political parties. The US is pro maintaing global financial hegemony, and that's it. There is no Democrats or Republucans when it comes to foreign policy (except some weird putin dick sucking on the republican side and the fact the Democrats have a few humans who recognise palastine). The rest is just US foreign policy, you are clearly way to partisan and you need to touch some grass. Remember everyone in power hates you and me. They are not your friend. And your weird obsession with ThE DeMs is hilarious",
">\n\nWhat are you even arguing about lol? I'm saying dems support right wing dictators which you seem to agree with. So what's your point?",
">\n\nThat the article you posted doesn't say what you think does?",
">\n\nIn Brazil? It ends with Bolsonaro back in power and decades of authoritarian rule.",
">\n\nStop posting misinformation. Maybe the conspiracy sub will fit you better?",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.",
">\n\nThis is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nWe should tolerate fascism less. Its nuts that that most of instigators of Jan 6 among the US political class or their clients in the mass media who gave oxygen to their lunacy have faced zero consequences. Hopefully Brazilian justice system acts more decisively. You're either for democracy - flawed or not - or your for some kind of totalitarian fascist state.",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.",
">\n\nI did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?\nI assume you mean \"The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin\"\nDon't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are \"against corruption\" in Latin America is just what they alway say",
">\n\nYea and the US says they're fighting corruption when they install right wingers. The fact that the Biden admin recognizes guaido in Venezuela proves that democrats also work to undemocratically install right wingers in Latin America.",
">\n\nBro, stop thinking in terms of political parties. The US is pro maintaing global financial hegemony, and that's it. There is no Democrats or Republucans when it comes to foreign policy (except some weird putin dick sucking on the republican side and the fact the Democrats have a few humans who recognise palastine). The rest is just US foreign policy, you are clearly way to partisan and you need to touch some grass. Remember everyone in power hates you and me. They are not your friend. And your weird obsession with ThE DeMs is hilarious",
">\n\nWhat are you even arguing about lol? I'm saying dems support right wing dictators which you seem to agree with. So what's your point?",
">\n\nThat the article you posted doesn't say what you think does?",
">\n\nIn Brazil? It ends with Bolsonaro back in power and decades of authoritarian rule.",
">\n\nStop posting misinformation. Maybe the conspiracy sub will fit you better?",
">\n\nThis is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nMyanmar is ruled by a military junta, which is a whole different level of authoritarianism altogether.\nNot analogous, really.\nCountries that are comparable to Myanmar include Burkina Faso, Mali, etc.; not the U.S. nor Brazil.",
">\n\nYep, the coup attempts in those nations are usually credible, well planned and have some level of elite support\nin the US and Brazil they were essentially just a riled up crowd of people rushing into government buildings with no organization or gameplan",
">\n\nThose riled up people were not the coup attempters, just the useful idiots of the coup attempters. Don’t think the fascist are not learning lessons for 2024. Remember Hitler failed in his first attempt, spent time in prison, then about a decade later was creating concentration camps. Western liberal democracies are at a nexus point and the next decade will probably be one of constantly fighting back against authoritarianism.",
">\n\n...then who exactly are the coup attempters?\nTrump absolutely enflamed the situation, but I don't think he was literally asking his supporters to storm the capitol. Bolsanaro meanwhile seems even more out of it and has had basically no involvement in Brazil's coup attempt\nThe institutions of neither country supported the attempt\nso who exactly are the puppetmasters you're referring to here lol",
">\n\nThe riot was the culmination of the effort. Not the self coup itself",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth.\n\nIn his tweeter feed he still identifies him as the President of Brasil. He has said nothing since the violence started.",
">\n\n\nHe has said nothing since the violence started.\n\nWhat? He literally has tho",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nDid American politics really resume \"as normal\", though? Haven't alt-right and conservatives gotten worse?",
">\n\nConsidering the outcome of the '22 mid-terms, it's definitely not normal because Republicans should have swung the House by several dozen seats and won a majority back in the Senate. So yes, alt-right and conservatives have gotten worse and it appears that a growing portion of the American electorate has lost patience with them.",
">\n\nI think 90% of that was Dobbs",
">\n\nExit polling indicated that abortion was #1 priority amongst 27% of voters, which ran 5% behind inflation, an issue that Republicans should have been able to carry the election with if things were normal.",
">\n\nAlso, abortion could be a voter's #1 priority but not affect their vote. This is already an issue sharply divided along party lines. I'm not sure how many people voted differently due to the Supreme Court overturning abortion protections.\nEconomic issues aren't divided this way. Everyone wants a strong economy, they just disagree on the way to get there. So it's very possible that inflation could make an impact on the election while abortion doesn't.",
">\n\n\nEveryone wants a strong economy, they just disagree on the way to get there.\n\nWhere does this presumption come from?\nThe party that has normalized threatening a default - an economic apocalypse so unprecedented we genuinely do not know how bad it could get - should not be presumed to have an interest in the U.S. having a strong economy.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nWe should tolerate fascism less. Its nuts that that most of instigators of Jan 6 among the US political class or their clients in the mass media who gave oxygen to their lunacy have faced zero consequences. Hopefully Brazilian justice system acts more decisively. You're either for democracy - flawed or not - or your for some kind of totalitarian fascist state.",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nThis horseshit is going to continue to spread until would-be fascist rioters see their brethren face some real, immediate consequences. The military should consider the rioters to be a hostile force and act accordingly.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.",
">\n\nIn Brazil? It ends with Bolsonaro back in power and decades of authoritarian rule.",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration."
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"This is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.",
">\n\nI did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?\nI assume you mean \"The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin\"\nDon't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are \"against corruption\" in Latin America is just what they alway say",
">\n\nYea and the US says they're fighting corruption when they install right wingers. The fact that the Biden admin recognizes guaido in Venezuela proves that democrats also work to undemocratically install right wingers in Latin America.",
">\n\nBro, stop thinking in terms of political parties. The US is pro maintaing global financial hegemony, and that's it. There is no Democrats or Republucans when it comes to foreign policy (except some weird putin dick sucking on the republican side and the fact the Democrats have a few humans who recognise palastine). The rest is just US foreign policy, you are clearly way to partisan and you need to touch some grass. Remember everyone in power hates you and me. They are not your friend. And your weird obsession with ThE DeMs is hilarious",
">\n\nWhat are you even arguing about lol? I'm saying dems support right wing dictators which you seem to agree with. So what's your point?",
">\n\nThat the article you posted doesn't say what you think does?",
">\n\nIn Brazil? It ends with Bolsonaro back in power and decades of authoritarian rule.",
">\n\nStop posting misinformation. Maybe the conspiracy sub will fit you better?",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.",
">\n\nThis is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nWe should tolerate fascism less. Its nuts that that most of instigators of Jan 6 among the US political class or their clients in the mass media who gave oxygen to their lunacy have faced zero consequences. Hopefully Brazilian justice system acts more decisively. You're either for democracy - flawed or not - or your for some kind of totalitarian fascist state.",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.",
">\n\nI did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?\nI assume you mean \"The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin\"\nDon't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are \"against corruption\" in Latin America is just what they alway say",
">\n\nYea and the US says they're fighting corruption when they install right wingers. The fact that the Biden admin recognizes guaido in Venezuela proves that democrats also work to undemocratically install right wingers in Latin America.",
">\n\nBro, stop thinking in terms of political parties. The US is pro maintaing global financial hegemony, and that's it. There is no Democrats or Republucans when it comes to foreign policy (except some weird putin dick sucking on the republican side and the fact the Democrats have a few humans who recognise palastine). The rest is just US foreign policy, you are clearly way to partisan and you need to touch some grass. Remember everyone in power hates you and me. They are not your friend. And your weird obsession with ThE DeMs is hilarious",
">\n\nWhat are you even arguing about lol? I'm saying dems support right wing dictators which you seem to agree with. So what's your point?",
">\n\nThat the article you posted doesn't say what you think does?",
">\n\nIn Brazil? It ends with Bolsonaro back in power and decades of authoritarian rule.",
">\n\nStop posting misinformation. Maybe the conspiracy sub will fit you better?",
">\n\nThis is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nMyanmar is ruled by a military junta, which is a whole different level of authoritarianism altogether.\nNot analogous, really.\nCountries that are comparable to Myanmar include Burkina Faso, Mali, etc.; not the U.S. nor Brazil.",
">\n\nYep, the coup attempts in those nations are usually credible, well planned and have some level of elite support\nin the US and Brazil they were essentially just a riled up crowd of people rushing into government buildings with no organization or gameplan",
">\n\nThose riled up people were not the coup attempters, just the useful idiots of the coup attempters. Don’t think the fascist are not learning lessons for 2024. Remember Hitler failed in his first attempt, spent time in prison, then about a decade later was creating concentration camps. Western liberal democracies are at a nexus point and the next decade will probably be one of constantly fighting back against authoritarianism.",
">\n\n...then who exactly are the coup attempters?\nTrump absolutely enflamed the situation, but I don't think he was literally asking his supporters to storm the capitol. Bolsanaro meanwhile seems even more out of it and has had basically no involvement in Brazil's coup attempt\nThe institutions of neither country supported the attempt\nso who exactly are the puppetmasters you're referring to here lol",
">\n\nThe riot was the culmination of the effort. Not the self coup itself",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth.\n\nIn his tweeter feed he still identifies him as the President of Brasil. He has said nothing since the violence started.",
">\n\n\nHe has said nothing since the violence started.\n\nWhat? He literally has tho",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nDid American politics really resume \"as normal\", though? Haven't alt-right and conservatives gotten worse?",
">\n\nConsidering the outcome of the '22 mid-terms, it's definitely not normal because Republicans should have swung the House by several dozen seats and won a majority back in the Senate. So yes, alt-right and conservatives have gotten worse and it appears that a growing portion of the American electorate has lost patience with them.",
">\n\nI think 90% of that was Dobbs",
">\n\nExit polling indicated that abortion was #1 priority amongst 27% of voters, which ran 5% behind inflation, an issue that Republicans should have been able to carry the election with if things were normal.",
">\n\nAlso, abortion could be a voter's #1 priority but not affect their vote. This is already an issue sharply divided along party lines. I'm not sure how many people voted differently due to the Supreme Court overturning abortion protections.\nEconomic issues aren't divided this way. Everyone wants a strong economy, they just disagree on the way to get there. So it's very possible that inflation could make an impact on the election while abortion doesn't.",
">\n\n\nEveryone wants a strong economy, they just disagree on the way to get there.\n\nWhere does this presumption come from?\nThe party that has normalized threatening a default - an economic apocalypse so unprecedented we genuinely do not know how bad it could get - should not be presumed to have an interest in the U.S. having a strong economy.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nWe should tolerate fascism less. Its nuts that that most of instigators of Jan 6 among the US political class or their clients in the mass media who gave oxygen to their lunacy have faced zero consequences. Hopefully Brazilian justice system acts more decisively. You're either for democracy - flawed or not - or your for some kind of totalitarian fascist state.",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nThis horseshit is going to continue to spread until would-be fascist rioters see their brethren face some real, immediate consequences. The military should consider the rioters to be a hostile force and act accordingly.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.",
">\n\nIn Brazil? It ends with Bolsonaro back in power and decades of authoritarian rule.",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?"
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Read the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.
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"This is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.",
">\n\nI did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?\nI assume you mean \"The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin\"\nDon't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are \"against corruption\" in Latin America is just what they alway say",
">\n\nYea and the US says they're fighting corruption when they install right wingers. The fact that the Biden admin recognizes guaido in Venezuela proves that democrats also work to undemocratically install right wingers in Latin America.",
">\n\nBro, stop thinking in terms of political parties. The US is pro maintaing global financial hegemony, and that's it. There is no Democrats or Republucans when it comes to foreign policy (except some weird putin dick sucking on the republican side and the fact the Democrats have a few humans who recognise palastine). The rest is just US foreign policy, you are clearly way to partisan and you need to touch some grass. Remember everyone in power hates you and me. They are not your friend. And your weird obsession with ThE DeMs is hilarious",
">\n\nWhat are you even arguing about lol? I'm saying dems support right wing dictators which you seem to agree with. So what's your point?",
">\n\nThat the article you posted doesn't say what you think does?",
">\n\nIn Brazil? It ends with Bolsonaro back in power and decades of authoritarian rule.",
">\n\nStop posting misinformation. Maybe the conspiracy sub will fit you better?",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.",
">\n\nThis is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nWe should tolerate fascism less. Its nuts that that most of instigators of Jan 6 among the US political class or their clients in the mass media who gave oxygen to their lunacy have faced zero consequences. Hopefully Brazilian justice system acts more decisively. You're either for democracy - flawed or not - or your for some kind of totalitarian fascist state.",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.",
">\n\nI did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?\nI assume you mean \"The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin\"\nDon't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are \"against corruption\" in Latin America is just what they alway say",
">\n\nYea and the US says they're fighting corruption when they install right wingers. The fact that the Biden admin recognizes guaido in Venezuela proves that democrats also work to undemocratically install right wingers in Latin America.",
">\n\nBro, stop thinking in terms of political parties. The US is pro maintaing global financial hegemony, and that's it. There is no Democrats or Republucans when it comes to foreign policy (except some weird putin dick sucking on the republican side and the fact the Democrats have a few humans who recognise palastine). The rest is just US foreign policy, you are clearly way to partisan and you need to touch some grass. Remember everyone in power hates you and me. They are not your friend. And your weird obsession with ThE DeMs is hilarious",
">\n\nWhat are you even arguing about lol? I'm saying dems support right wing dictators which you seem to agree with. So what's your point?",
">\n\nThat the article you posted doesn't say what you think does?",
">\n\nIn Brazil? It ends with Bolsonaro back in power and decades of authoritarian rule.",
">\n\nStop posting misinformation. Maybe the conspiracy sub will fit you better?",
">\n\nThis is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nMyanmar is ruled by a military junta, which is a whole different level of authoritarianism altogether.\nNot analogous, really.\nCountries that are comparable to Myanmar include Burkina Faso, Mali, etc.; not the U.S. nor Brazil.",
">\n\nYep, the coup attempts in those nations are usually credible, well planned and have some level of elite support\nin the US and Brazil they were essentially just a riled up crowd of people rushing into government buildings with no organization or gameplan",
">\n\nThose riled up people were not the coup attempters, just the useful idiots of the coup attempters. Don’t think the fascist are not learning lessons for 2024. Remember Hitler failed in his first attempt, spent time in prison, then about a decade later was creating concentration camps. Western liberal democracies are at a nexus point and the next decade will probably be one of constantly fighting back against authoritarianism.",
">\n\n...then who exactly are the coup attempters?\nTrump absolutely enflamed the situation, but I don't think he was literally asking his supporters to storm the capitol. Bolsanaro meanwhile seems even more out of it and has had basically no involvement in Brazil's coup attempt\nThe institutions of neither country supported the attempt\nso who exactly are the puppetmasters you're referring to here lol",
">\n\nThe riot was the culmination of the effort. Not the self coup itself",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth.\n\nIn his tweeter feed he still identifies him as the President of Brasil. He has said nothing since the violence started.",
">\n\n\nHe has said nothing since the violence started.\n\nWhat? He literally has tho",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nDid American politics really resume \"as normal\", though? Haven't alt-right and conservatives gotten worse?",
">\n\nConsidering the outcome of the '22 mid-terms, it's definitely not normal because Republicans should have swung the House by several dozen seats and won a majority back in the Senate. So yes, alt-right and conservatives have gotten worse and it appears that a growing portion of the American electorate has lost patience with them.",
">\n\nI think 90% of that was Dobbs",
">\n\nExit polling indicated that abortion was #1 priority amongst 27% of voters, which ran 5% behind inflation, an issue that Republicans should have been able to carry the election with if things were normal.",
">\n\nAlso, abortion could be a voter's #1 priority but not affect their vote. This is already an issue sharply divided along party lines. I'm not sure how many people voted differently due to the Supreme Court overturning abortion protections.\nEconomic issues aren't divided this way. Everyone wants a strong economy, they just disagree on the way to get there. So it's very possible that inflation could make an impact on the election while abortion doesn't.",
">\n\n\nEveryone wants a strong economy, they just disagree on the way to get there.\n\nWhere does this presumption come from?\nThe party that has normalized threatening a default - an economic apocalypse so unprecedented we genuinely do not know how bad it could get - should not be presumed to have an interest in the U.S. having a strong economy.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nWe should tolerate fascism less. Its nuts that that most of instigators of Jan 6 among the US political class or their clients in the mass media who gave oxygen to their lunacy have faced zero consequences. Hopefully Brazilian justice system acts more decisively. You're either for democracy - flawed or not - or your for some kind of totalitarian fascist state.",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nThis horseshit is going to continue to spread until would-be fascist rioters see their brethren face some real, immediate consequences. The military should consider the rioters to be a hostile force and act accordingly.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.",
">\n\nIn Brazil? It ends with Bolsonaro back in power and decades of authoritarian rule.",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?"
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I did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?
I assume you mean "The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin"
Don't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are "against corruption" in Latin America is just what they alway say
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"This is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.",
">\n\nI did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?\nI assume you mean \"The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin\"\nDon't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are \"against corruption\" in Latin America is just what they alway say",
">\n\nYea and the US says they're fighting corruption when they install right wingers. The fact that the Biden admin recognizes guaido in Venezuela proves that democrats also work to undemocratically install right wingers in Latin America.",
">\n\nBro, stop thinking in terms of political parties. The US is pro maintaing global financial hegemony, and that's it. There is no Democrats or Republucans when it comes to foreign policy (except some weird putin dick sucking on the republican side and the fact the Democrats have a few humans who recognise palastine). The rest is just US foreign policy, you are clearly way to partisan and you need to touch some grass. Remember everyone in power hates you and me. They are not your friend. And your weird obsession with ThE DeMs is hilarious",
">\n\nWhat are you even arguing about lol? I'm saying dems support right wing dictators which you seem to agree with. So what's your point?",
">\n\nThat the article you posted doesn't say what you think does?",
">\n\nIn Brazil? It ends with Bolsonaro back in power and decades of authoritarian rule.",
">\n\nStop posting misinformation. Maybe the conspiracy sub will fit you better?",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.",
">\n\nThis is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nWe should tolerate fascism less. Its nuts that that most of instigators of Jan 6 among the US political class or their clients in the mass media who gave oxygen to their lunacy have faced zero consequences. Hopefully Brazilian justice system acts more decisively. You're either for democracy - flawed or not - or your for some kind of totalitarian fascist state.",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.",
">\n\nI did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?\nI assume you mean \"The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin\"\nDon't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are \"against corruption\" in Latin America is just what they alway say",
">\n\nYea and the US says they're fighting corruption when they install right wingers. The fact that the Biden admin recognizes guaido in Venezuela proves that democrats also work to undemocratically install right wingers in Latin America.",
">\n\nBro, stop thinking in terms of political parties. The US is pro maintaing global financial hegemony, and that's it. There is no Democrats or Republucans when it comes to foreign policy (except some weird putin dick sucking on the republican side and the fact the Democrats have a few humans who recognise palastine). The rest is just US foreign policy, you are clearly way to partisan and you need to touch some grass. Remember everyone in power hates you and me. They are not your friend. And your weird obsession with ThE DeMs is hilarious",
">\n\nWhat are you even arguing about lol? I'm saying dems support right wing dictators which you seem to agree with. So what's your point?",
">\n\nThat the article you posted doesn't say what you think does?",
">\n\nIn Brazil? It ends with Bolsonaro back in power and decades of authoritarian rule.",
">\n\nStop posting misinformation. Maybe the conspiracy sub will fit you better?",
">\n\nThis is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nMyanmar is ruled by a military junta, which is a whole different level of authoritarianism altogether.\nNot analogous, really.\nCountries that are comparable to Myanmar include Burkina Faso, Mali, etc.; not the U.S. nor Brazil.",
">\n\nYep, the coup attempts in those nations are usually credible, well planned and have some level of elite support\nin the US and Brazil they were essentially just a riled up crowd of people rushing into government buildings with no organization or gameplan",
">\n\nThose riled up people were not the coup attempters, just the useful idiots of the coup attempters. Don’t think the fascist are not learning lessons for 2024. Remember Hitler failed in his first attempt, spent time in prison, then about a decade later was creating concentration camps. Western liberal democracies are at a nexus point and the next decade will probably be one of constantly fighting back against authoritarianism.",
">\n\n...then who exactly are the coup attempters?\nTrump absolutely enflamed the situation, but I don't think he was literally asking his supporters to storm the capitol. Bolsanaro meanwhile seems even more out of it and has had basically no involvement in Brazil's coup attempt\nThe institutions of neither country supported the attempt\nso who exactly are the puppetmasters you're referring to here lol",
">\n\nThe riot was the culmination of the effort. Not the self coup itself",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth.\n\nIn his tweeter feed he still identifies him as the President of Brasil. He has said nothing since the violence started.",
">\n\n\nHe has said nothing since the violence started.\n\nWhat? He literally has tho",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nDid American politics really resume \"as normal\", though? Haven't alt-right and conservatives gotten worse?",
">\n\nConsidering the outcome of the '22 mid-terms, it's definitely not normal because Republicans should have swung the House by several dozen seats and won a majority back in the Senate. So yes, alt-right and conservatives have gotten worse and it appears that a growing portion of the American electorate has lost patience with them.",
">\n\nI think 90% of that was Dobbs",
">\n\nExit polling indicated that abortion was #1 priority amongst 27% of voters, which ran 5% behind inflation, an issue that Republicans should have been able to carry the election with if things were normal.",
">\n\nAlso, abortion could be a voter's #1 priority but not affect their vote. This is already an issue sharply divided along party lines. I'm not sure how many people voted differently due to the Supreme Court overturning abortion protections.\nEconomic issues aren't divided this way. Everyone wants a strong economy, they just disagree on the way to get there. So it's very possible that inflation could make an impact on the election while abortion doesn't.",
">\n\n\nEveryone wants a strong economy, they just disagree on the way to get there.\n\nWhere does this presumption come from?\nThe party that has normalized threatening a default - an economic apocalypse so unprecedented we genuinely do not know how bad it could get - should not be presumed to have an interest in the U.S. having a strong economy.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nWe should tolerate fascism less. Its nuts that that most of instigators of Jan 6 among the US political class or their clients in the mass media who gave oxygen to their lunacy have faced zero consequences. Hopefully Brazilian justice system acts more decisively. You're either for democracy - flawed or not - or your for some kind of totalitarian fascist state.",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nThis horseshit is going to continue to spread until would-be fascist rioters see their brethren face some real, immediate consequences. The military should consider the rioters to be a hostile force and act accordingly.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.",
">\n\nIn Brazil? It ends with Bolsonaro back in power and decades of authoritarian rule.",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this."
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Yea and the US says they're fighting corruption when they install right wingers. The fact that the Biden admin recognizes guaido in Venezuela proves that democrats also work to undemocratically install right wingers in Latin America.
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"This is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.",
">\n\nI did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?\nI assume you mean \"The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin\"\nDon't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are \"against corruption\" in Latin America is just what they alway say",
">\n\nYea and the US says they're fighting corruption when they install right wingers. The fact that the Biden admin recognizes guaido in Venezuela proves that democrats also work to undemocratically install right wingers in Latin America.",
">\n\nBro, stop thinking in terms of political parties. The US is pro maintaing global financial hegemony, and that's it. There is no Democrats or Republucans when it comes to foreign policy (except some weird putin dick sucking on the republican side and the fact the Democrats have a few humans who recognise palastine). The rest is just US foreign policy, you are clearly way to partisan and you need to touch some grass. Remember everyone in power hates you and me. They are not your friend. And your weird obsession with ThE DeMs is hilarious",
">\n\nWhat are you even arguing about lol? I'm saying dems support right wing dictators which you seem to agree with. So what's your point?",
">\n\nThat the article you posted doesn't say what you think does?",
">\n\nIn Brazil? It ends with Bolsonaro back in power and decades of authoritarian rule.",
">\n\nStop posting misinformation. Maybe the conspiracy sub will fit you better?",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.",
">\n\nThis is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nWe should tolerate fascism less. Its nuts that that most of instigators of Jan 6 among the US political class or their clients in the mass media who gave oxygen to their lunacy have faced zero consequences. Hopefully Brazilian justice system acts more decisively. You're either for democracy - flawed or not - or your for some kind of totalitarian fascist state.",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.",
">\n\nI did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?\nI assume you mean \"The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin\"\nDon't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are \"against corruption\" in Latin America is just what they alway say",
">\n\nYea and the US says they're fighting corruption when they install right wingers. The fact that the Biden admin recognizes guaido in Venezuela proves that democrats also work to undemocratically install right wingers in Latin America.",
">\n\nBro, stop thinking in terms of political parties. The US is pro maintaing global financial hegemony, and that's it. There is no Democrats or Republucans when it comes to foreign policy (except some weird putin dick sucking on the republican side and the fact the Democrats have a few humans who recognise palastine). The rest is just US foreign policy, you are clearly way to partisan and you need to touch some grass. Remember everyone in power hates you and me. They are not your friend. And your weird obsession with ThE DeMs is hilarious",
">\n\nWhat are you even arguing about lol? I'm saying dems support right wing dictators which you seem to agree with. So what's your point?",
">\n\nThat the article you posted doesn't say what you think does?",
">\n\nIn Brazil? It ends with Bolsonaro back in power and decades of authoritarian rule.",
">\n\nStop posting misinformation. Maybe the conspiracy sub will fit you better?",
">\n\nThis is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nMyanmar is ruled by a military junta, which is a whole different level of authoritarianism altogether.\nNot analogous, really.\nCountries that are comparable to Myanmar include Burkina Faso, Mali, etc.; not the U.S. nor Brazil.",
">\n\nYep, the coup attempts in those nations are usually credible, well planned and have some level of elite support\nin the US and Brazil they were essentially just a riled up crowd of people rushing into government buildings with no organization or gameplan",
">\n\nThose riled up people were not the coup attempters, just the useful idiots of the coup attempters. Don’t think the fascist are not learning lessons for 2024. Remember Hitler failed in his first attempt, spent time in prison, then about a decade later was creating concentration camps. Western liberal democracies are at a nexus point and the next decade will probably be one of constantly fighting back against authoritarianism.",
">\n\n...then who exactly are the coup attempters?\nTrump absolutely enflamed the situation, but I don't think he was literally asking his supporters to storm the capitol. Bolsanaro meanwhile seems even more out of it and has had basically no involvement in Brazil's coup attempt\nThe institutions of neither country supported the attempt\nso who exactly are the puppetmasters you're referring to here lol",
">\n\nThe riot was the culmination of the effort. Not the self coup itself",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth.\n\nIn his tweeter feed he still identifies him as the President of Brasil. He has said nothing since the violence started.",
">\n\n\nHe has said nothing since the violence started.\n\nWhat? He literally has tho",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nDid American politics really resume \"as normal\", though? Haven't alt-right and conservatives gotten worse?",
">\n\nConsidering the outcome of the '22 mid-terms, it's definitely not normal because Republicans should have swung the House by several dozen seats and won a majority back in the Senate. So yes, alt-right and conservatives have gotten worse and it appears that a growing portion of the American electorate has lost patience with them.",
">\n\nI think 90% of that was Dobbs",
">\n\nExit polling indicated that abortion was #1 priority amongst 27% of voters, which ran 5% behind inflation, an issue that Republicans should have been able to carry the election with if things were normal.",
">\n\nAlso, abortion could be a voter's #1 priority but not affect their vote. This is already an issue sharply divided along party lines. I'm not sure how many people voted differently due to the Supreme Court overturning abortion protections.\nEconomic issues aren't divided this way. Everyone wants a strong economy, they just disagree on the way to get there. So it's very possible that inflation could make an impact on the election while abortion doesn't.",
">\n\n\nEveryone wants a strong economy, they just disagree on the way to get there.\n\nWhere does this presumption come from?\nThe party that has normalized threatening a default - an economic apocalypse so unprecedented we genuinely do not know how bad it could get - should not be presumed to have an interest in the U.S. having a strong economy.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nWe should tolerate fascism less. Its nuts that that most of instigators of Jan 6 among the US political class or their clients in the mass media who gave oxygen to their lunacy have faced zero consequences. Hopefully Brazilian justice system acts more decisively. You're either for democracy - flawed or not - or your for some kind of totalitarian fascist state.",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nThis horseshit is going to continue to spread until would-be fascist rioters see their brethren face some real, immediate consequences. The military should consider the rioters to be a hostile force and act accordingly.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.",
">\n\nIn Brazil? It ends with Bolsonaro back in power and decades of authoritarian rule.",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.",
">\n\nI did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?\nI assume you mean \"The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin\"\nDon't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are \"against corruption\" in Latin America is just what they alway say"
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Bro, stop thinking in terms of political parties. The US is pro maintaing global financial hegemony, and that's it. There is no Democrats or Republucans when it comes to foreign policy (except some weird putin dick sucking on the republican side and the fact the Democrats have a few humans who recognise palastine). The rest is just US foreign policy, you are clearly way to partisan and you need to touch some grass. Remember everyone in power hates you and me. They are not your friend. And your weird obsession with ThE DeMs is hilarious
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"This is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.",
">\n\nI did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?\nI assume you mean \"The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin\"\nDon't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are \"against corruption\" in Latin America is just what they alway say",
">\n\nYea and the US says they're fighting corruption when they install right wingers. The fact that the Biden admin recognizes guaido in Venezuela proves that democrats also work to undemocratically install right wingers in Latin America.",
">\n\nBro, stop thinking in terms of political parties. The US is pro maintaing global financial hegemony, and that's it. There is no Democrats or Republucans when it comes to foreign policy (except some weird putin dick sucking on the republican side and the fact the Democrats have a few humans who recognise palastine). The rest is just US foreign policy, you are clearly way to partisan and you need to touch some grass. Remember everyone in power hates you and me. They are not your friend. And your weird obsession with ThE DeMs is hilarious",
">\n\nWhat are you even arguing about lol? I'm saying dems support right wing dictators which you seem to agree with. So what's your point?",
">\n\nThat the article you posted doesn't say what you think does?",
">\n\nIn Brazil? It ends with Bolsonaro back in power and decades of authoritarian rule.",
">\n\nStop posting misinformation. Maybe the conspiracy sub will fit you better?",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.",
">\n\nThis is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nWe should tolerate fascism less. Its nuts that that most of instigators of Jan 6 among the US political class or their clients in the mass media who gave oxygen to their lunacy have faced zero consequences. Hopefully Brazilian justice system acts more decisively. You're either for democracy - flawed or not - or your for some kind of totalitarian fascist state.",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.",
">\n\nI did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?\nI assume you mean \"The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin\"\nDon't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are \"against corruption\" in Latin America is just what they alway say",
">\n\nYea and the US says they're fighting corruption when they install right wingers. The fact that the Biden admin recognizes guaido in Venezuela proves that democrats also work to undemocratically install right wingers in Latin America.",
">\n\nBro, stop thinking in terms of political parties. The US is pro maintaing global financial hegemony, and that's it. There is no Democrats or Republucans when it comes to foreign policy (except some weird putin dick sucking on the republican side and the fact the Democrats have a few humans who recognise palastine). The rest is just US foreign policy, you are clearly way to partisan and you need to touch some grass. Remember everyone in power hates you and me. They are not your friend. And your weird obsession with ThE DeMs is hilarious",
">\n\nWhat are you even arguing about lol? I'm saying dems support right wing dictators which you seem to agree with. So what's your point?",
">\n\nThat the article you posted doesn't say what you think does?",
">\n\nIn Brazil? It ends with Bolsonaro back in power and decades of authoritarian rule.",
">\n\nStop posting misinformation. Maybe the conspiracy sub will fit you better?",
">\n\nThis is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nMyanmar is ruled by a military junta, which is a whole different level of authoritarianism altogether.\nNot analogous, really.\nCountries that are comparable to Myanmar include Burkina Faso, Mali, etc.; not the U.S. nor Brazil.",
">\n\nYep, the coup attempts in those nations are usually credible, well planned and have some level of elite support\nin the US and Brazil they were essentially just a riled up crowd of people rushing into government buildings with no organization or gameplan",
">\n\nThose riled up people were not the coup attempters, just the useful idiots of the coup attempters. Don’t think the fascist are not learning lessons for 2024. Remember Hitler failed in his first attempt, spent time in prison, then about a decade later was creating concentration camps. Western liberal democracies are at a nexus point and the next decade will probably be one of constantly fighting back against authoritarianism.",
">\n\n...then who exactly are the coup attempters?\nTrump absolutely enflamed the situation, but I don't think he was literally asking his supporters to storm the capitol. Bolsanaro meanwhile seems even more out of it and has had basically no involvement in Brazil's coup attempt\nThe institutions of neither country supported the attempt\nso who exactly are the puppetmasters you're referring to here lol",
">\n\nThe riot was the culmination of the effort. Not the self coup itself",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth.\n\nIn his tweeter feed he still identifies him as the President of Brasil. He has said nothing since the violence started.",
">\n\n\nHe has said nothing since the violence started.\n\nWhat? He literally has tho",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nDid American politics really resume \"as normal\", though? Haven't alt-right and conservatives gotten worse?",
">\n\nConsidering the outcome of the '22 mid-terms, it's definitely not normal because Republicans should have swung the House by several dozen seats and won a majority back in the Senate. So yes, alt-right and conservatives have gotten worse and it appears that a growing portion of the American electorate has lost patience with them.",
">\n\nI think 90% of that was Dobbs",
">\n\nExit polling indicated that abortion was #1 priority amongst 27% of voters, which ran 5% behind inflation, an issue that Republicans should have been able to carry the election with if things were normal.",
">\n\nAlso, abortion could be a voter's #1 priority but not affect their vote. This is already an issue sharply divided along party lines. I'm not sure how many people voted differently due to the Supreme Court overturning abortion protections.\nEconomic issues aren't divided this way. Everyone wants a strong economy, they just disagree on the way to get there. So it's very possible that inflation could make an impact on the election while abortion doesn't.",
">\n\n\nEveryone wants a strong economy, they just disagree on the way to get there.\n\nWhere does this presumption come from?\nThe party that has normalized threatening a default - an economic apocalypse so unprecedented we genuinely do not know how bad it could get - should not be presumed to have an interest in the U.S. having a strong economy.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nWe should tolerate fascism less. Its nuts that that most of instigators of Jan 6 among the US political class or their clients in the mass media who gave oxygen to their lunacy have faced zero consequences. Hopefully Brazilian justice system acts more decisively. You're either for democracy - flawed or not - or your for some kind of totalitarian fascist state.",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nThis horseshit is going to continue to spread until would-be fascist rioters see their brethren face some real, immediate consequences. The military should consider the rioters to be a hostile force and act accordingly.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.",
">\n\nIn Brazil? It ends with Bolsonaro back in power and decades of authoritarian rule.",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.",
">\n\nI did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?\nI assume you mean \"The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin\"\nDon't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are \"against corruption\" in Latin America is just what they alway say",
">\n\nYea and the US says they're fighting corruption when they install right wingers. The fact that the Biden admin recognizes guaido in Venezuela proves that democrats also work to undemocratically install right wingers in Latin America."
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What are you even arguing about lol? I'm saying dems support right wing dictators which you seem to agree with. So what's your point?
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"This is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.",
">\n\nI did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?\nI assume you mean \"The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin\"\nDon't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are \"against corruption\" in Latin America is just what they alway say",
">\n\nYea and the US says they're fighting corruption when they install right wingers. The fact that the Biden admin recognizes guaido in Venezuela proves that democrats also work to undemocratically install right wingers in Latin America.",
">\n\nBro, stop thinking in terms of political parties. The US is pro maintaing global financial hegemony, and that's it. There is no Democrats or Republucans when it comes to foreign policy (except some weird putin dick sucking on the republican side and the fact the Democrats have a few humans who recognise palastine). The rest is just US foreign policy, you are clearly way to partisan and you need to touch some grass. Remember everyone in power hates you and me. They are not your friend. And your weird obsession with ThE DeMs is hilarious",
">\n\nWhat are you even arguing about lol? I'm saying dems support right wing dictators which you seem to agree with. So what's your point?",
">\n\nThat the article you posted doesn't say what you think does?",
">\n\nIn Brazil? It ends with Bolsonaro back in power and decades of authoritarian rule.",
">\n\nStop posting misinformation. Maybe the conspiracy sub will fit you better?",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.",
">\n\nThis is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nWe should tolerate fascism less. Its nuts that that most of instigators of Jan 6 among the US political class or their clients in the mass media who gave oxygen to their lunacy have faced zero consequences. Hopefully Brazilian justice system acts more decisively. You're either for democracy - flawed or not - or your for some kind of totalitarian fascist state.",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.",
">\n\nI did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?\nI assume you mean \"The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin\"\nDon't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are \"against corruption\" in Latin America is just what they alway say",
">\n\nYea and the US says they're fighting corruption when they install right wingers. The fact that the Biden admin recognizes guaido in Venezuela proves that democrats also work to undemocratically install right wingers in Latin America.",
">\n\nBro, stop thinking in terms of political parties. The US is pro maintaing global financial hegemony, and that's it. There is no Democrats or Republucans when it comes to foreign policy (except some weird putin dick sucking on the republican side and the fact the Democrats have a few humans who recognise palastine). The rest is just US foreign policy, you are clearly way to partisan and you need to touch some grass. Remember everyone in power hates you and me. They are not your friend. And your weird obsession with ThE DeMs is hilarious",
">\n\nWhat are you even arguing about lol? I'm saying dems support right wing dictators which you seem to agree with. So what's your point?",
">\n\nThat the article you posted doesn't say what you think does?",
">\n\nIn Brazil? It ends with Bolsonaro back in power and decades of authoritarian rule.",
">\n\nStop posting misinformation. Maybe the conspiracy sub will fit you better?",
">\n\nThis is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nMyanmar is ruled by a military junta, which is a whole different level of authoritarianism altogether.\nNot analogous, really.\nCountries that are comparable to Myanmar include Burkina Faso, Mali, etc.; not the U.S. nor Brazil.",
">\n\nYep, the coup attempts in those nations are usually credible, well planned and have some level of elite support\nin the US and Brazil they were essentially just a riled up crowd of people rushing into government buildings with no organization or gameplan",
">\n\nThose riled up people were not the coup attempters, just the useful idiots of the coup attempters. Don’t think the fascist are not learning lessons for 2024. Remember Hitler failed in his first attempt, spent time in prison, then about a decade later was creating concentration camps. Western liberal democracies are at a nexus point and the next decade will probably be one of constantly fighting back against authoritarianism.",
">\n\n...then who exactly are the coup attempters?\nTrump absolutely enflamed the situation, but I don't think he was literally asking his supporters to storm the capitol. Bolsanaro meanwhile seems even more out of it and has had basically no involvement in Brazil's coup attempt\nThe institutions of neither country supported the attempt\nso who exactly are the puppetmasters you're referring to here lol",
">\n\nThe riot was the culmination of the effort. Not the self coup itself",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth.\n\nIn his tweeter feed he still identifies him as the President of Brasil. He has said nothing since the violence started.",
">\n\n\nHe has said nothing since the violence started.\n\nWhat? He literally has tho",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nDid American politics really resume \"as normal\", though? Haven't alt-right and conservatives gotten worse?",
">\n\nConsidering the outcome of the '22 mid-terms, it's definitely not normal because Republicans should have swung the House by several dozen seats and won a majority back in the Senate. So yes, alt-right and conservatives have gotten worse and it appears that a growing portion of the American electorate has lost patience with them.",
">\n\nI think 90% of that was Dobbs",
">\n\nExit polling indicated that abortion was #1 priority amongst 27% of voters, which ran 5% behind inflation, an issue that Republicans should have been able to carry the election with if things were normal.",
">\n\nAlso, abortion could be a voter's #1 priority but not affect their vote. This is already an issue sharply divided along party lines. I'm not sure how many people voted differently due to the Supreme Court overturning abortion protections.\nEconomic issues aren't divided this way. Everyone wants a strong economy, they just disagree on the way to get there. So it's very possible that inflation could make an impact on the election while abortion doesn't.",
">\n\n\nEveryone wants a strong economy, they just disagree on the way to get there.\n\nWhere does this presumption come from?\nThe party that has normalized threatening a default - an economic apocalypse so unprecedented we genuinely do not know how bad it could get - should not be presumed to have an interest in the U.S. having a strong economy.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nWe should tolerate fascism less. Its nuts that that most of instigators of Jan 6 among the US political class or their clients in the mass media who gave oxygen to their lunacy have faced zero consequences. Hopefully Brazilian justice system acts more decisively. You're either for democracy - flawed or not - or your for some kind of totalitarian fascist state.",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nThis horseshit is going to continue to spread until would-be fascist rioters see their brethren face some real, immediate consequences. The military should consider the rioters to be a hostile force and act accordingly.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.",
">\n\nIn Brazil? It ends with Bolsonaro back in power and decades of authoritarian rule.",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.",
">\n\nI did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?\nI assume you mean \"The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin\"\nDon't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are \"against corruption\" in Latin America is just what they alway say",
">\n\nYea and the US says they're fighting corruption when they install right wingers. The fact that the Biden admin recognizes guaido in Venezuela proves that democrats also work to undemocratically install right wingers in Latin America.",
">\n\nBro, stop thinking in terms of political parties. The US is pro maintaing global financial hegemony, and that's it. There is no Democrats or Republucans when it comes to foreign policy (except some weird putin dick sucking on the republican side and the fact the Democrats have a few humans who recognise palastine). The rest is just US foreign policy, you are clearly way to partisan and you need to touch some grass. Remember everyone in power hates you and me. They are not your friend. And your weird obsession with ThE DeMs is hilarious"
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"This is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.",
">\n\nI did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?\nI assume you mean \"The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin\"\nDon't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are \"against corruption\" in Latin America is just what they alway say",
">\n\nYea and the US says they're fighting corruption when they install right wingers. The fact that the Biden admin recognizes guaido in Venezuela proves that democrats also work to undemocratically install right wingers in Latin America.",
">\n\nBro, stop thinking in terms of political parties. The US is pro maintaing global financial hegemony, and that's it. There is no Democrats or Republucans when it comes to foreign policy (except some weird putin dick sucking on the republican side and the fact the Democrats have a few humans who recognise palastine). The rest is just US foreign policy, you are clearly way to partisan and you need to touch some grass. Remember everyone in power hates you and me. They are not your friend. And your weird obsession with ThE DeMs is hilarious",
">\n\nWhat are you even arguing about lol? I'm saying dems support right wing dictators which you seem to agree with. So what's your point?",
">\n\nThat the article you posted doesn't say what you think does?",
">\n\nIn Brazil? It ends with Bolsonaro back in power and decades of authoritarian rule.",
">\n\nStop posting misinformation. Maybe the conspiracy sub will fit you better?",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.",
">\n\nThis is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nWe should tolerate fascism less. Its nuts that that most of instigators of Jan 6 among the US political class or their clients in the mass media who gave oxygen to their lunacy have faced zero consequences. Hopefully Brazilian justice system acts more decisively. You're either for democracy - flawed or not - or your for some kind of totalitarian fascist state.",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.",
">\n\nI did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?\nI assume you mean \"The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin\"\nDon't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are \"against corruption\" in Latin America is just what they alway say",
">\n\nYea and the US says they're fighting corruption when they install right wingers. The fact that the Biden admin recognizes guaido in Venezuela proves that democrats also work to undemocratically install right wingers in Latin America.",
">\n\nBro, stop thinking in terms of political parties. The US is pro maintaing global financial hegemony, and that's it. There is no Democrats or Republucans when it comes to foreign policy (except some weird putin dick sucking on the republican side and the fact the Democrats have a few humans who recognise palastine). The rest is just US foreign policy, you are clearly way to partisan and you need to touch some grass. Remember everyone in power hates you and me. They are not your friend. And your weird obsession with ThE DeMs is hilarious",
">\n\nWhat are you even arguing about lol? I'm saying dems support right wing dictators which you seem to agree with. So what's your point?",
">\n\nThat the article you posted doesn't say what you think does?",
">\n\nIn Brazil? It ends with Bolsonaro back in power and decades of authoritarian rule.",
">\n\nStop posting misinformation. Maybe the conspiracy sub will fit you better?",
">\n\nThis is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nMyanmar is ruled by a military junta, which is a whole different level of authoritarianism altogether.\nNot analogous, really.\nCountries that are comparable to Myanmar include Burkina Faso, Mali, etc.; not the U.S. nor Brazil.",
">\n\nYep, the coup attempts in those nations are usually credible, well planned and have some level of elite support\nin the US and Brazil they were essentially just a riled up crowd of people rushing into government buildings with no organization or gameplan",
">\n\nThose riled up people were not the coup attempters, just the useful idiots of the coup attempters. Don’t think the fascist are not learning lessons for 2024. Remember Hitler failed in his first attempt, spent time in prison, then about a decade later was creating concentration camps. Western liberal democracies are at a nexus point and the next decade will probably be one of constantly fighting back against authoritarianism.",
">\n\n...then who exactly are the coup attempters?\nTrump absolutely enflamed the situation, but I don't think he was literally asking his supporters to storm the capitol. Bolsanaro meanwhile seems even more out of it and has had basically no involvement in Brazil's coup attempt\nThe institutions of neither country supported the attempt\nso who exactly are the puppetmasters you're referring to here lol",
">\n\nThe riot was the culmination of the effort. Not the self coup itself",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth.\n\nIn his tweeter feed he still identifies him as the President of Brasil. He has said nothing since the violence started.",
">\n\n\nHe has said nothing since the violence started.\n\nWhat? He literally has tho",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nDid American politics really resume \"as normal\", though? Haven't alt-right and conservatives gotten worse?",
">\n\nConsidering the outcome of the '22 mid-terms, it's definitely not normal because Republicans should have swung the House by several dozen seats and won a majority back in the Senate. So yes, alt-right and conservatives have gotten worse and it appears that a growing portion of the American electorate has lost patience with them.",
">\n\nI think 90% of that was Dobbs",
">\n\nExit polling indicated that abortion was #1 priority amongst 27% of voters, which ran 5% behind inflation, an issue that Republicans should have been able to carry the election with if things were normal.",
">\n\nAlso, abortion could be a voter's #1 priority but not affect their vote. This is already an issue sharply divided along party lines. I'm not sure how many people voted differently due to the Supreme Court overturning abortion protections.\nEconomic issues aren't divided this way. Everyone wants a strong economy, they just disagree on the way to get there. So it's very possible that inflation could make an impact on the election while abortion doesn't.",
">\n\n\nEveryone wants a strong economy, they just disagree on the way to get there.\n\nWhere does this presumption come from?\nThe party that has normalized threatening a default - an economic apocalypse so unprecedented we genuinely do not know how bad it could get - should not be presumed to have an interest in the U.S. having a strong economy.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nWe should tolerate fascism less. Its nuts that that most of instigators of Jan 6 among the US political class or their clients in the mass media who gave oxygen to their lunacy have faced zero consequences. Hopefully Brazilian justice system acts more decisively. You're either for democracy - flawed or not - or your for some kind of totalitarian fascist state.",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nThis horseshit is going to continue to spread until would-be fascist rioters see their brethren face some real, immediate consequences. The military should consider the rioters to be a hostile force and act accordingly.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.",
">\n\nIn Brazil? It ends with Bolsonaro back in power and decades of authoritarian rule.",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.",
">\n\nI did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?\nI assume you mean \"The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin\"\nDon't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are \"against corruption\" in Latin America is just what they alway say",
">\n\nYea and the US says they're fighting corruption when they install right wingers. The fact that the Biden admin recognizes guaido in Venezuela proves that democrats also work to undemocratically install right wingers in Latin America.",
">\n\nBro, stop thinking in terms of political parties. The US is pro maintaing global financial hegemony, and that's it. There is no Democrats or Republucans when it comes to foreign policy (except some weird putin dick sucking on the republican side and the fact the Democrats have a few humans who recognise palastine). The rest is just US foreign policy, you are clearly way to partisan and you need to touch some grass. Remember everyone in power hates you and me. They are not your friend. And your weird obsession with ThE DeMs is hilarious",
">\n\nWhat are you even arguing about lol? I'm saying dems support right wing dictators which you seem to agree with. So what's your point?"
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"This is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.",
">\n\nI did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?\nI assume you mean \"The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin\"\nDon't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are \"against corruption\" in Latin America is just what they alway say",
">\n\nYea and the US says they're fighting corruption when they install right wingers. The fact that the Biden admin recognizes guaido in Venezuela proves that democrats also work to undemocratically install right wingers in Latin America.",
">\n\nBro, stop thinking in terms of political parties. The US is pro maintaing global financial hegemony, and that's it. There is no Democrats or Republucans when it comes to foreign policy (except some weird putin dick sucking on the republican side and the fact the Democrats have a few humans who recognise palastine). The rest is just US foreign policy, you are clearly way to partisan and you need to touch some grass. Remember everyone in power hates you and me. They are not your friend. And your weird obsession with ThE DeMs is hilarious",
">\n\nWhat are you even arguing about lol? I'm saying dems support right wing dictators which you seem to agree with. So what's your point?",
">\n\nThat the article you posted doesn't say what you think does?",
">\n\nIn Brazil? It ends with Bolsonaro back in power and decades of authoritarian rule.",
">\n\nStop posting misinformation. Maybe the conspiracy sub will fit you better?",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.",
">\n\nThis is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nWe should tolerate fascism less. Its nuts that that most of instigators of Jan 6 among the US political class or their clients in the mass media who gave oxygen to their lunacy have faced zero consequences. Hopefully Brazilian justice system acts more decisively. You're either for democracy - flawed or not - or your for some kind of totalitarian fascist state.",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.",
">\n\nI did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?\nI assume you mean \"The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin\"\nDon't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are \"against corruption\" in Latin America is just what they alway say",
">\n\nYea and the US says they're fighting corruption when they install right wingers. The fact that the Biden admin recognizes guaido in Venezuela proves that democrats also work to undemocratically install right wingers in Latin America.",
">\n\nBro, stop thinking in terms of political parties. The US is pro maintaing global financial hegemony, and that's it. There is no Democrats or Republucans when it comes to foreign policy (except some weird putin dick sucking on the republican side and the fact the Democrats have a few humans who recognise palastine). The rest is just US foreign policy, you are clearly way to partisan and you need to touch some grass. Remember everyone in power hates you and me. They are not your friend. And your weird obsession with ThE DeMs is hilarious",
">\n\nWhat are you even arguing about lol? I'm saying dems support right wing dictators which you seem to agree with. So what's your point?",
">\n\nThat the article you posted doesn't say what you think does?",
">\n\nIn Brazil? It ends with Bolsonaro back in power and decades of authoritarian rule.",
">\n\nStop posting misinformation. Maybe the conspiracy sub will fit you better?",
">\n\nThis is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nMyanmar is ruled by a military junta, which is a whole different level of authoritarianism altogether.\nNot analogous, really.\nCountries that are comparable to Myanmar include Burkina Faso, Mali, etc.; not the U.S. nor Brazil.",
">\n\nYep, the coup attempts in those nations are usually credible, well planned and have some level of elite support\nin the US and Brazil they were essentially just a riled up crowd of people rushing into government buildings with no organization or gameplan",
">\n\nThose riled up people were not the coup attempters, just the useful idiots of the coup attempters. Don’t think the fascist are not learning lessons for 2024. Remember Hitler failed in his first attempt, spent time in prison, then about a decade later was creating concentration camps. Western liberal democracies are at a nexus point and the next decade will probably be one of constantly fighting back against authoritarianism.",
">\n\n...then who exactly are the coup attempters?\nTrump absolutely enflamed the situation, but I don't think he was literally asking his supporters to storm the capitol. Bolsanaro meanwhile seems even more out of it and has had basically no involvement in Brazil's coup attempt\nThe institutions of neither country supported the attempt\nso who exactly are the puppetmasters you're referring to here lol",
">\n\nThe riot was the culmination of the effort. Not the self coup itself",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth.\n\nIn his tweeter feed he still identifies him as the President of Brasil. He has said nothing since the violence started.",
">\n\n\nHe has said nothing since the violence started.\n\nWhat? He literally has tho",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nDid American politics really resume \"as normal\", though? Haven't alt-right and conservatives gotten worse?",
">\n\nConsidering the outcome of the '22 mid-terms, it's definitely not normal because Republicans should have swung the House by several dozen seats and won a majority back in the Senate. So yes, alt-right and conservatives have gotten worse and it appears that a growing portion of the American electorate has lost patience with them.",
">\n\nI think 90% of that was Dobbs",
">\n\nExit polling indicated that abortion was #1 priority amongst 27% of voters, which ran 5% behind inflation, an issue that Republicans should have been able to carry the election with if things were normal.",
">\n\nAlso, abortion could be a voter's #1 priority but not affect their vote. This is already an issue sharply divided along party lines. I'm not sure how many people voted differently due to the Supreme Court overturning abortion protections.\nEconomic issues aren't divided this way. Everyone wants a strong economy, they just disagree on the way to get there. So it's very possible that inflation could make an impact on the election while abortion doesn't.",
">\n\n\nEveryone wants a strong economy, they just disagree on the way to get there.\n\nWhere does this presumption come from?\nThe party that has normalized threatening a default - an economic apocalypse so unprecedented we genuinely do not know how bad it could get - should not be presumed to have an interest in the U.S. having a strong economy.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nWe should tolerate fascism less. Its nuts that that most of instigators of Jan 6 among the US political class or their clients in the mass media who gave oxygen to their lunacy have faced zero consequences. Hopefully Brazilian justice system acts more decisively. You're either for democracy - flawed or not - or your for some kind of totalitarian fascist state.",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nThis horseshit is going to continue to spread until would-be fascist rioters see their brethren face some real, immediate consequences. The military should consider the rioters to be a hostile force and act accordingly.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.",
">\n\nIn Brazil? It ends with Bolsonaro back in power and decades of authoritarian rule.",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.",
">\n\nI did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?\nI assume you mean \"The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin\"\nDon't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are \"against corruption\" in Latin America is just what they alway say",
">\n\nYea and the US says they're fighting corruption when they install right wingers. The fact that the Biden admin recognizes guaido in Venezuela proves that democrats also work to undemocratically install right wingers in Latin America.",
">\n\nBro, stop thinking in terms of political parties. The US is pro maintaing global financial hegemony, and that's it. There is no Democrats or Republucans when it comes to foreign policy (except some weird putin dick sucking on the republican side and the fact the Democrats have a few humans who recognise palastine). The rest is just US foreign policy, you are clearly way to partisan and you need to touch some grass. Remember everyone in power hates you and me. They are not your friend. And your weird obsession with ThE DeMs is hilarious",
">\n\nWhat are you even arguing about lol? I'm saying dems support right wing dictators which you seem to agree with. So what's your point?",
">\n\nThat the article you posted doesn't say what you think does?"
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"This is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.",
">\n\nI did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?\nI assume you mean \"The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin\"\nDon't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are \"against corruption\" in Latin America is just what they alway say",
">\n\nYea and the US says they're fighting corruption when they install right wingers. The fact that the Biden admin recognizes guaido in Venezuela proves that democrats also work to undemocratically install right wingers in Latin America.",
">\n\nBro, stop thinking in terms of political parties. The US is pro maintaing global financial hegemony, and that's it. There is no Democrats or Republucans when it comes to foreign policy (except some weird putin dick sucking on the republican side and the fact the Democrats have a few humans who recognise palastine). The rest is just US foreign policy, you are clearly way to partisan and you need to touch some grass. Remember everyone in power hates you and me. They are not your friend. And your weird obsession with ThE DeMs is hilarious",
">\n\nWhat are you even arguing about lol? I'm saying dems support right wing dictators which you seem to agree with. So what's your point?",
">\n\nThat the article you posted doesn't say what you think does?",
">\n\nIn Brazil? It ends with Bolsonaro back in power and decades of authoritarian rule.",
">\n\nStop posting misinformation. Maybe the conspiracy sub will fit you better?",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.",
">\n\nThis is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nThats a completely different situation..?",
">\n\nWhy do you say that? It looks like Trump coached Bolsonaro.",
">\n\nThe military did the coup in Myanmar, not the losing party supporters. That's a big difference.",
">\n\nYou do know that Brazil and Myanmar are different countries…. Right? How about you actually try to read the comments you reply to before hitting the reply button.",
">\n\nTo be fair, both Burma and Brazil start with a B so you can see how that can get confusing",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\nI saw a picture of him eating KFC like a regular loser. It was pretty pathetic. He’s staying in the home of former UFC champ Jose Aldo in a house that features a Minion themed bedroom.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume that the Brazilian authorities have the same ability to review cell tower data that American authorities do, so I have a hunch it's not going to end well for a lot of these rampaging dummies.",
">\n\nOur minister of justice just gave a speech. He's really enthusiastic about locate, prosecute and arrest those bastards.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nWe should tolerate fascism less. Its nuts that that most of instigators of Jan 6 among the US political class or their clients in the mass media who gave oxygen to their lunacy have faced zero consequences. Hopefully Brazilian justice system acts more decisively. You're either for democracy - flawed or not - or your for some kind of totalitarian fascist state.",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.",
">\n\nI did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?\nI assume you mean \"The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin\"\nDon't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are \"against corruption\" in Latin America is just what they alway say",
">\n\nYea and the US says they're fighting corruption when they install right wingers. The fact that the Biden admin recognizes guaido in Venezuela proves that democrats also work to undemocratically install right wingers in Latin America.",
">\n\nBro, stop thinking in terms of political parties. The US is pro maintaing global financial hegemony, and that's it. There is no Democrats or Republucans when it comes to foreign policy (except some weird putin dick sucking on the republican side and the fact the Democrats have a few humans who recognise palastine). The rest is just US foreign policy, you are clearly way to partisan and you need to touch some grass. Remember everyone in power hates you and me. They are not your friend. And your weird obsession with ThE DeMs is hilarious",
">\n\nWhat are you even arguing about lol? I'm saying dems support right wing dictators which you seem to agree with. So what's your point?",
">\n\nThat the article you posted doesn't say what you think does?",
">\n\nIn Brazil? It ends with Bolsonaro back in power and decades of authoritarian rule.",
">\n\nStop posting misinformation. Maybe the conspiracy sub will fit you better?",
">\n\nThis is a much dumber version of Jan 6 - Jan 6 was meant to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence so that they did not certify the election, so Trump could try again to get his fake state certifications to say he was president. This was a bad plan, but Trump was still the federal executive and was able to act pretty freely before the riot and set things up so there would be a weak response.\nBut Jan 8 has taken place after Lula was sworn in and Bolsonaro left the country. Congress was not in session. The end result is just vandalism.\nNow, the hope was that the military would see a violent mob vandalizing Congress and...somehow then launch a real coup against Lula. But that was also a bad plan. The military knows a coup would have zero international support (other than from someone like Putin). And Lula has already been president for a decade during the careers of senior officers. \nThis is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.",
">\n\nThe game was over when he fled the country. Poor imitation.",
">\n\nThe military appears to have retaken the main buildings, protesters have been arrested and Lula has given a speech indicating they're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As far as coups go, this one is a certain failure.\nIt is, however, concearning that this is, if I recall correctly, the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this). In the meantime, the politicians, media personalities and internet influencers that have contributed to radicalizing people to such a degree are not going anywhere; and neither are the stressful economic conditions that are leading people to more extreme ideologies.\nThe right-wing strategy of denying any unfavorable election results to justify further mass riots seems like it's going global and here to stay. The scary part is that with each new episode of this sort, while some voters will be turned off, there will also be those who come to accept it as normal when coming from the right wing. The enlightened centrist, \"both sides are the same\" types are going to play their part in that. Don't be surprised if we'll be seeing some of these right-leaning \"moderates\" like Tim Pool or Elon Musk come out and argue that, while the protesters were not justified in storming the Parliment, the response from the authorities was too severe and their concearns over the stolen election were pertinent.\nIn the short term, I don't think it will ultimately lead to much. But I do think it will shift the Overton window to the right, making fascistic yet respectable-presenting candidates like DeSantis appear more to the middle. And once they gain more power, I think these candidates will try and shift the laws, so that, in the future, this kind of vigillante fascist action is more effective.",
">\n\n\n..the third year in a row in which we've had some sort of organised effort to forcefully install a neo-fascist government in a major western democracy (Jan 6, the incident in Germany from some months ago and now this) \n\nDon’t forget Myanmar just days after Jan 6th. Not a western country but still the most blatant, most brutal, and certainly the most successful coup in the time you mentioned.",
">\n\nMyanmar is ruled by a military junta, which is a whole different level of authoritarianism altogether.\nNot analogous, really.\nCountries that are comparable to Myanmar include Burkina Faso, Mali, etc.; not the U.S. nor Brazil.",
">\n\nYep, the coup attempts in those nations are usually credible, well planned and have some level of elite support\nin the US and Brazil they were essentially just a riled up crowd of people rushing into government buildings with no organization or gameplan",
">\n\nThose riled up people were not the coup attempters, just the useful idiots of the coup attempters. Don’t think the fascist are not learning lessons for 2024. Remember Hitler failed in his first attempt, spent time in prison, then about a decade later was creating concentration camps. Western liberal democracies are at a nexus point and the next decade will probably be one of constantly fighting back against authoritarianism.",
">\n\n...then who exactly are the coup attempters?\nTrump absolutely enflamed the situation, but I don't think he was literally asking his supporters to storm the capitol. Bolsanaro meanwhile seems even more out of it and has had basically no involvement in Brazil's coup attempt\nThe institutions of neither country supported the attempt\nso who exactly are the puppetmasters you're referring to here lol",
">\n\nThe riot was the culmination of the effort. Not the self coup itself",
">\n\nBrazil right wingers desperately trying to top their American counterparts: oh you’re god emperor wasn’t with you when you stormed the Capitol? Ours wasn’t even in the country!",
">\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. He seems to have totally given up and is just living a depressing life in Florida, no idea why his supporters are still so willing to die for him",
">\n\n\nHonestly, unlike Trump after losing the 2020 election, Bolsanaro kinda just dropped off the face of the earth.\n\nIn his tweeter feed he still identifies him as the President of Brasil. He has said nothing since the violence started.",
">\n\n\nHe has said nothing since the violence started.\n\nWhat? He literally has tho",
">\n\nI think it will play out similarly:\nHis supporters are genuinely furious he lost.\nThey're mindlessly raging out and getting it out of their system. The military wisely isn't supportive of an undemocratic coup attempt.\nBrazilian politics resumes as normal as soon as the rioting is over.",
">\n\nDid American politics really resume \"as normal\", though? Haven't alt-right and conservatives gotten worse?",
">\n\nConsidering the outcome of the '22 mid-terms, it's definitely not normal because Republicans should have swung the House by several dozen seats and won a majority back in the Senate. So yes, alt-right and conservatives have gotten worse and it appears that a growing portion of the American electorate has lost patience with them.",
">\n\nI think 90% of that was Dobbs",
">\n\nExit polling indicated that abortion was #1 priority amongst 27% of voters, which ran 5% behind inflation, an issue that Republicans should have been able to carry the election with if things were normal.",
">\n\nAlso, abortion could be a voter's #1 priority but not affect their vote. This is already an issue sharply divided along party lines. I'm not sure how many people voted differently due to the Supreme Court overturning abortion protections.\nEconomic issues aren't divided this way. Everyone wants a strong economy, they just disagree on the way to get there. So it's very possible that inflation could make an impact on the election while abortion doesn't.",
">\n\n\nEveryone wants a strong economy, they just disagree on the way to get there.\n\nWhere does this presumption come from?\nThe party that has normalized threatening a default - an economic apocalypse so unprecedented we genuinely do not know how bad it could get - should not be presumed to have an interest in the U.S. having a strong economy.",
">\n\nFriendly reminder….Several Trump admin officials as well as Bannon were in Brazil with Bolsonaro leading up to the election.",
">\n\nThis isn't really a reminder for me because I did not know this in the first place.",
">\n\nNeither of these “coups” deserve any respect they never had a chance, it’s a shame more of them were not given consequences on those days",
">\n\nWe should tolerate fascism less. Its nuts that that most of instigators of Jan 6 among the US political class or their clients in the mass media who gave oxygen to their lunacy have faced zero consequences. Hopefully Brazilian justice system acts more decisively. You're either for democracy - flawed or not - or your for some kind of totalitarian fascist state.",
">\n\nI would think it takes a lot less time to imprison folks in Brasil than it does in the US.",
">\n\nJust kind reminder dear US citzens: \"STOP ELECTING FASCIST FUCK UPS, BC YOUR MORONIC PRESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR NUTJOBS POLITICIANS, THEY GET ELECTED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALT-RIGHT MORONS WHO MIMIC EVERYTHING YOUR REPUBLICANS DO!!!!!!!!!!\"\nSincerely, \nA brazilian.",
">\n\nThis horseshit is going to continue to spread until would-be fascist rioters see their brethren face some real, immediate consequences. The military should consider the rioters to be a hostile force and act accordingly.",
">\n\nRound 3 of the zealots making an attempt to disrupt democracy.\nWWIII is going to be a left versus right war. Better coined as the smart versus the right.",
">\n\nJanuary 6th was nothing, a small unarmed group of people.\nBolsonaros Protesters number in the millions. Many are likely armed. And they are probably actually intending to overthrow the government.\nThis isn't a repeat of January 6th, this is an entirely incompatable event.",
">\n\nthe \"security barriers\" were like the ones in the capitol...\nso, the terrorists were free and unopposed do to what they pleased. and pleased them to destroy",
">\n\n“This is going to end in a lot of arrests of right-wing figures.” I’m not buying it. People said the same shit after January 6th and the only people who were arrested were the rioters. Who knows maybe they have more justice in South America but last I heard they are corrupt as fuck too.",
">\n\nYou do know multiple criminal investigations of multiple figures - including trump - are continuing... right?\nIt's very understandable to feel frustration at the pace of justice sometimes. And it's certainly very edgy to toss out populist cynicism. But if you believe in the rule of law and the right we all have, sometimes the consequence is we have to let things play out for once.",
">\n\nYeah believe what you want. I personally think no charges will be brought to Trump because I believe he will die before those days come. Then everyone can say “Well we tried!” and nothing more will come from it. You’re damn right it’s frustrating and I’d argue even if he does get charged or arrested, it’s still not justice. Justice is swift. He and some members of congress committed TREASON one of the worst crimes a person can commit in America. Yet him and his goons are still free men 2 years later. This is not justice.\nEdit: Trump has spent his whole life playing the system and right now he’s playing it for time. It’s all he has left. That’s my view of things.",
">\n\nIn Brazil? It ends with Bolsonaro back in power and decades of authoritarian rule.",
">\n\nWell it's Brazil so this time the rioters will have support from the democrats and Republicans. Dems won't say it out loud but they want bolsonaro in power. He was in power because of the Obama administration.",
">\n\nNo, Dems do not want that. Can you source your claim that someone elected 3 years after the Obama administration ended, and who was vocally supported by Trump, is in power because of the Obama administration?",
">\n\nBro you know the CIA isn't party affiliated?",
">\n\nRead the article, it literally says that the Biden administration is continuing the policies that led to this.",
">\n\nI did before I commented, wanna hit me with a quote?\nI assume you mean \"The June 3 press call was to mark a new national security mem or nassm on Establithe fight against corruption as a core US national interest which is being renewed under the Biden admin\"\nDon't really see how that proves anything. US government says they are \"against corruption\" in Latin America is just what they alway say",
">\n\nYea and the US says they're fighting corruption when they install right wingers. The fact that the Biden admin recognizes guaido in Venezuela proves that democrats also work to undemocratically install right wingers in Latin America.",
">\n\nBro, stop thinking in terms of political parties. The US is pro maintaing global financial hegemony, and that's it. There is no Democrats or Republucans when it comes to foreign policy (except some weird putin dick sucking on the republican side and the fact the Democrats have a few humans who recognise palastine). The rest is just US foreign policy, you are clearly way to partisan and you need to touch some grass. Remember everyone in power hates you and me. They are not your friend. And your weird obsession with ThE DeMs is hilarious",
">\n\nWhat are you even arguing about lol? I'm saying dems support right wing dictators which you seem to agree with. So what's your point?",
">\n\nThat the article you posted doesn't say what you think does?",
">\n\nStop posting misinformation. Maybe the conspiracy sub will fit you better?"
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So sad and so horrible. Why does this seem to happen over and over again? Why does CPS fail so many times?
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He's just running out of steam and ideas
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Or he's just doing different stuff now.
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He is doing less in his videos because he can. Why run everything yourself like in the beginning of his career when he can pay people to do it and not have to worry about it. With so many channels and businesses. He doesn't have enough time to be in every detail of every video. He isn't just a YouTuber now. He is a businessman.
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no hes still a youtuber jimmy would never call himself a business man no matter how skilled he is in business, i just think that he thinks when he can make more money from all those other side channels and merch and chocolate he'll be able to put more money into the main channel vids and make them as best as they can be, but imo that insane amount of effort and work and money to make main channel videos have changed the content from personal to more corporate and overwhelming content.
tldr: his new videos are just too much
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"He's just running out of steam and ideas",
">\n\nOr he's just doing different stuff now.",
">\n\nHe is doing less in his videos because he can. Why run everything yourself like in the beginning of his career when he can pay people to do it and not have to worry about it. With so many channels and businesses. He doesn't have enough time to be in every detail of every video. He isn't just a YouTuber now. He is a businessman."
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no hes still a youtuber jimmy would never call himself a business man no matter how skilled he is in business
He is a businessman. He may only call himself a Youtuber (I don't know if he actually does), but he is also a businessman, as shown by the several businesses he runs.
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"He's just running out of steam and ideas",
">\n\nOr he's just doing different stuff now.",
">\n\nHe is doing less in his videos because he can. Why run everything yourself like in the beginning of his career when he can pay people to do it and not have to worry about it. With so many channels and businesses. He doesn't have enough time to be in every detail of every video. He isn't just a YouTuber now. He is a businessman.",
">\n\nno hes still a youtuber jimmy would never call himself a business man no matter how skilled he is in business, i just think that he thinks when he can make more money from all those other side channels and merch and chocolate he'll be able to put more money into the main channel vids and make them as best as they can be, but imo that insane amount of effort and work and money to make main channel videos have changed the content from personal to more corporate and overwhelming content.\ntldr: his new videos are just too much"
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I can't stand Airrack and can't help but feel like if his channel and rise in popularity takes over or comes close to Mr Brast that it would be a deathknell for youtube
Mr Beast videos feel genuine(when he's in them)
Airrack videos feel extremely off and disingenuous
They are exact opposite channels and personalities but on the surface seem very similar
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"He's just running out of steam and ideas",
">\n\nOr he's just doing different stuff now.",
">\n\nHe is doing less in his videos because he can. Why run everything yourself like in the beginning of his career when he can pay people to do it and not have to worry about it. With so many channels and businesses. He doesn't have enough time to be in every detail of every video. He isn't just a YouTuber now. He is a businessman.",
">\n\nno hes still a youtuber jimmy would never call himself a business man no matter how skilled he is in business, i just think that he thinks when he can make more money from all those other side channels and merch and chocolate he'll be able to put more money into the main channel vids and make them as best as they can be, but imo that insane amount of effort and work and money to make main channel videos have changed the content from personal to more corporate and overwhelming content.\ntldr: his new videos are just too much",
">\n\n\nno hes still a youtuber jimmy would never call himself a business man no matter how skilled he is in business\n\nHe is a businessman. He may only call himself a Youtuber (I don't know if he actually does), but he is also a businessman, as shown by the several businesses he runs."
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I think most youtubers who get super famous have a decline in quality content at some point. I even think LinusTechTips is at that point and I hate to say that because I've watched him for years, but he's just a paid affiliate shill now and I haven't seen a legit tech tip in a long time.
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"He's just running out of steam and ideas",
">\n\nOr he's just doing different stuff now.",
">\n\nHe is doing less in his videos because he can. Why run everything yourself like in the beginning of his career when he can pay people to do it and not have to worry about it. With so many channels and businesses. He doesn't have enough time to be in every detail of every video. He isn't just a YouTuber now. He is a businessman.",
">\n\nno hes still a youtuber jimmy would never call himself a business man no matter how skilled he is in business, i just think that he thinks when he can make more money from all those other side channels and merch and chocolate he'll be able to put more money into the main channel vids and make them as best as they can be, but imo that insane amount of effort and work and money to make main channel videos have changed the content from personal to more corporate and overwhelming content.\ntldr: his new videos are just too much",
">\n\n\nno hes still a youtuber jimmy would never call himself a business man no matter how skilled he is in business\n\nHe is a businessman. He may only call himself a Youtuber (I don't know if he actually does), but he is also a businessman, as shown by the several businesses he runs.",
">\n\nI can't stand Airrack and can't help but feel like if his channel and rise in popularity takes over or comes close to Mr Brast that it would be a deathknell for youtube\nMr Beast videos feel genuine(when he's in them)\nAirrack videos feel extremely off and disingenuous\nThey are exact opposite channels and personalities but on the surface seem very similar"
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everything is so unironically loud, the hyping in the videos feels really cheap and everyone looks like an actor now trying to be the funniest or coolest with the little screen time they get in each video.
Because he can. Everybody knows who is Mr. Beast, people who regularly appear in his show and own memes that he created. I find it similar to the Star Wars and Avenger movies, the newest one are just trash that is going on the hype that past movies had created.
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"He's just running out of steam and ideas",
">\n\nOr he's just doing different stuff now.",
">\n\nHe is doing less in his videos because he can. Why run everything yourself like in the beginning of his career when he can pay people to do it and not have to worry about it. With so many channels and businesses. He doesn't have enough time to be in every detail of every video. He isn't just a YouTuber now. He is a businessman.",
">\n\nno hes still a youtuber jimmy would never call himself a business man no matter how skilled he is in business, i just think that he thinks when he can make more money from all those other side channels and merch and chocolate he'll be able to put more money into the main channel vids and make them as best as they can be, but imo that insane amount of effort and work and money to make main channel videos have changed the content from personal to more corporate and overwhelming content.\ntldr: his new videos are just too much",
">\n\n\nno hes still a youtuber jimmy would never call himself a business man no matter how skilled he is in business\n\nHe is a businessman. He may only call himself a Youtuber (I don't know if he actually does), but he is also a businessman, as shown by the several businesses he runs.",
">\n\nI can't stand Airrack and can't help but feel like if his channel and rise in popularity takes over or comes close to Mr Brast that it would be a deathknell for youtube\nMr Beast videos feel genuine(when he's in them)\nAirrack videos feel extremely off and disingenuous\nThey are exact opposite channels and personalities but on the surface seem very similar",
">\n\nI think most youtubers who get super famous have a decline in quality content at some point. I even think LinusTechTips is at that point and I hate to say that because I've watched him for years, but he's just a paid affiliate shill now and I haven't seen a legit tech tip in a long time."
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"He's just running out of steam and ideas",
">\n\nOr he's just doing different stuff now.",
">\n\nHe is doing less in his videos because he can. Why run everything yourself like in the beginning of his career when he can pay people to do it and not have to worry about it. With so many channels and businesses. He doesn't have enough time to be in every detail of every video. He isn't just a YouTuber now. He is a businessman.",
">\n\nno hes still a youtuber jimmy would never call himself a business man no matter how skilled he is in business, i just think that he thinks when he can make more money from all those other side channels and merch and chocolate he'll be able to put more money into the main channel vids and make them as best as they can be, but imo that insane amount of effort and work and money to make main channel videos have changed the content from personal to more corporate and overwhelming content.\ntldr: his new videos are just too much",
">\n\n\nno hes still a youtuber jimmy would never call himself a business man no matter how skilled he is in business\n\nHe is a businessman. He may only call himself a Youtuber (I don't know if he actually does), but he is also a businessman, as shown by the several businesses he runs.",
">\n\nI can't stand Airrack and can't help but feel like if his channel and rise in popularity takes over or comes close to Mr Brast that it would be a deathknell for youtube\nMr Beast videos feel genuine(when he's in them)\nAirrack videos feel extremely off and disingenuous\nThey are exact opposite channels and personalities but on the surface seem very similar",
">\n\nI think most youtubers who get super famous have a decline in quality content at some point. I even think LinusTechTips is at that point and I hate to say that because I've watched him for years, but he's just a paid affiliate shill now and I haven't seen a legit tech tip in a long time.",
">\n\n\neverything is so unironically loud, the hyping in the videos feels really cheap and everyone looks like an actor now trying to be the funniest or coolest with the little screen time they get in each video.\n\nBecause he can. Everybody knows who is Mr. Beast, people who regularly appear in his show and own memes that he created. I find it similar to the Star Wars and Avenger movies, the newest one are just trash that is going on the hype that past movies had created."
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I think stranger things is well written
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Netflix puts out a lot of trash, specially for films, but they also have some good stories there: Marriage Story, Roma, The Ballad of Buster Scruggs, the two popes, The Meyerowitz Stories, I’m thinking of ending things, etc.
Love death and robots was also really good, so was Manic, Bo Jack horseman, daredevil, Jessica jones…
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I'm Thinking of Ending Things was a book though, so you can't really give them credit for the story.
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">\n\nNetflix puts out a lot of trash, specially for films, but they also have some good stories there: Marriage Story, Roma, The Ballad of Buster Scruggs, the two popes, The Meyerowitz Stories, I’m thinking of ending things, etc.\nLove death and robots was also really good, so was Manic, Bo Jack horseman, daredevil, Jessica jones…"
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I’m just talking about good stories, no matter if original or adapted.
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">\n\nNetflix puts out a lot of trash, specially for films, but they also have some good stories there: Marriage Story, Roma, The Ballad of Buster Scruggs, the two popes, The Meyerowitz Stories, I’m thinking of ending things, etc.\nLove death and robots was also really good, so was Manic, Bo Jack horseman, daredevil, Jessica jones…",
">\n\nI'm Thinking of Ending Things was a book though, so you can't really give them credit for the story."
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Wednesday was good until the sloppy rushjob that passed for a season finale. I'm still salty about it. The characters and setting have so much potential.
Stranger Things 1-2 were bangers, 3 fell flat, and 4 was a return to form. I hope they stick the landing with whatever finale they got planned.
Glass Onion was a solid 8/10. Some of the satire was a bit too shallow, but it was mostly great fun with a great cast.
Overall, I understand where you're coming from if you're criticizing the past few years of Netflix. Not everything is going to be superb like a lot of the older Netflix originals, but there are still gems in the mix. I'm digging Love, Death, and Robots these days, for instance.
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"I think stranger things is well written",
">\n\nNetflix puts out a lot of trash, specially for films, but they also have some good stories there: Marriage Story, Roma, The Ballad of Buster Scruggs, the two popes, The Meyerowitz Stories, I’m thinking of ending things, etc.\nLove death and robots was also really good, so was Manic, Bo Jack horseman, daredevil, Jessica jones…",
">\n\nI'm Thinking of Ending Things was a book though, so you can't really give them credit for the story.",
">\n\nI’m just talking about good stories, no matter if original or adapted."
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Most others aren't much better these days.
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"I think stranger things is well written",
">\n\nNetflix puts out a lot of trash, specially for films, but they also have some good stories there: Marriage Story, Roma, The Ballad of Buster Scruggs, the two popes, The Meyerowitz Stories, I’m thinking of ending things, etc.\nLove death and robots was also really good, so was Manic, Bo Jack horseman, daredevil, Jessica jones…",
">\n\nI'm Thinking of Ending Things was a book though, so you can't really give them credit for the story.",
">\n\nI’m just talking about good stories, no matter if original or adapted.",
">\n\nWednesday was good until the sloppy rushjob that passed for a season finale. I'm still salty about it. The characters and setting have so much potential. \nStranger Things 1-2 were bangers, 3 fell flat, and 4 was a return to form. I hope they stick the landing with whatever finale they got planned. \nGlass Onion was a solid 8/10. Some of the satire was a bit too shallow, but it was mostly great fun with a great cast. \nOverall, I understand where you're coming from if you're criticizing the past few years of Netflix. Not everything is going to be superb like a lot of the older Netflix originals, but there are still gems in the mix. I'm digging Love, Death, and Robots these days, for instance."
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Hulu is still goated really...got a lot of mid 2000s shows that are great for binging and honestly the originals aren't half bad...the wolf and only murders were decent..
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"I think stranger things is well written",
">\n\nNetflix puts out a lot of trash, specially for films, but they also have some good stories there: Marriage Story, Roma, The Ballad of Buster Scruggs, the two popes, The Meyerowitz Stories, I’m thinking of ending things, etc.\nLove death and robots was also really good, so was Manic, Bo Jack horseman, daredevil, Jessica jones…",
">\n\nI'm Thinking of Ending Things was a book though, so you can't really give them credit for the story.",
">\n\nI’m just talking about good stories, no matter if original or adapted.",
">\n\nWednesday was good until the sloppy rushjob that passed for a season finale. I'm still salty about it. The characters and setting have so much potential. \nStranger Things 1-2 were bangers, 3 fell flat, and 4 was a return to form. I hope they stick the landing with whatever finale they got planned. \nGlass Onion was a solid 8/10. Some of the satire was a bit too shallow, but it was mostly great fun with a great cast. \nOverall, I understand where you're coming from if you're criticizing the past few years of Netflix. Not everything is going to be superb like a lot of the older Netflix originals, but there are still gems in the mix. I'm digging Love, Death, and Robots these days, for instance.",
">\n\nMost others aren't much better these days."
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I agree. A lot of Netflix's and other streaming services' material would not be a success in a theater. The quality is the same as a "straight to video" movie.
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">\n\nNetflix puts out a lot of trash, specially for films, but they also have some good stories there: Marriage Story, Roma, The Ballad of Buster Scruggs, the two popes, The Meyerowitz Stories, I’m thinking of ending things, etc.\nLove death and robots was also really good, so was Manic, Bo Jack horseman, daredevil, Jessica jones…",
">\n\nI'm Thinking of Ending Things was a book though, so you can't really give them credit for the story.",
">\n\nI’m just talking about good stories, no matter if original or adapted.",
">\n\nWednesday was good until the sloppy rushjob that passed for a season finale. I'm still salty about it. The characters and setting have so much potential. \nStranger Things 1-2 were bangers, 3 fell flat, and 4 was a return to form. I hope they stick the landing with whatever finale they got planned. \nGlass Onion was a solid 8/10. Some of the satire was a bit too shallow, but it was mostly great fun with a great cast. \nOverall, I understand where you're coming from if you're criticizing the past few years of Netflix. Not everything is going to be superb like a lot of the older Netflix originals, but there are still gems in the mix. I'm digging Love, Death, and Robots these days, for instance.",
">\n\nMost others aren't much better these days.",
">\n\nHulu is still goated really...got a lot of mid 2000s shows that are great for binging and honestly the originals aren't half bad...the wolf and only murders were decent.."
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They put out some good things too but yeah, it’s mostly garbage. That’s true of most studios these days though, it’s always quantity over quality. Sequels that suck and remakes that nobody asked for basically define Hollywood these days.
Good movies and tv are still being made, but finding them can be like searching for needles in a haystack.
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"I think stranger things is well written",
">\n\nNetflix puts out a lot of trash, specially for films, but they also have some good stories there: Marriage Story, Roma, The Ballad of Buster Scruggs, the two popes, The Meyerowitz Stories, I’m thinking of ending things, etc.\nLove death and robots was also really good, so was Manic, Bo Jack horseman, daredevil, Jessica jones…",
">\n\nI'm Thinking of Ending Things was a book though, so you can't really give them credit for the story.",
">\n\nI’m just talking about good stories, no matter if original or adapted.",
">\n\nWednesday was good until the sloppy rushjob that passed for a season finale. I'm still salty about it. The characters and setting have so much potential. \nStranger Things 1-2 were bangers, 3 fell flat, and 4 was a return to form. I hope they stick the landing with whatever finale they got planned. \nGlass Onion was a solid 8/10. Some of the satire was a bit too shallow, but it was mostly great fun with a great cast. \nOverall, I understand where you're coming from if you're criticizing the past few years of Netflix. Not everything is going to be superb like a lot of the older Netflix originals, but there are still gems in the mix. I'm digging Love, Death, and Robots these days, for instance.",
">\n\nMost others aren't much better these days.",
">\n\nHulu is still goated really...got a lot of mid 2000s shows that are great for binging and honestly the originals aren't half bad...the wolf and only murders were decent..",
">\n\nI agree. A lot of Netflix's and other streaming services' material would not be a success in a theater. The quality is the same as a \"straight to video\" movie."
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inside job is pretty wnjoyable. also enjoying some of their
documentaries
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"I think stranger things is well written",
">\n\nNetflix puts out a lot of trash, specially for films, but they also have some good stories there: Marriage Story, Roma, The Ballad of Buster Scruggs, the two popes, The Meyerowitz Stories, I’m thinking of ending things, etc.\nLove death and robots was also really good, so was Manic, Bo Jack horseman, daredevil, Jessica jones…",
">\n\nI'm Thinking of Ending Things was a book though, so you can't really give them credit for the story.",
">\n\nI’m just talking about good stories, no matter if original or adapted.",
">\n\nWednesday was good until the sloppy rushjob that passed for a season finale. I'm still salty about it. The characters and setting have so much potential. \nStranger Things 1-2 were bangers, 3 fell flat, and 4 was a return to form. I hope they stick the landing with whatever finale they got planned. \nGlass Onion was a solid 8/10. Some of the satire was a bit too shallow, but it was mostly great fun with a great cast. \nOverall, I understand where you're coming from if you're criticizing the past few years of Netflix. Not everything is going to be superb like a lot of the older Netflix originals, but there are still gems in the mix. I'm digging Love, Death, and Robots these days, for instance.",
">\n\nMost others aren't much better these days.",
">\n\nHulu is still goated really...got a lot of mid 2000s shows that are great for binging and honestly the originals aren't half bad...the wolf and only murders were decent..",
">\n\nI agree. A lot of Netflix's and other streaming services' material would not be a success in a theater. The quality is the same as a \"straight to video\" movie.",
">\n\nThey put out some good things too but yeah, it’s mostly garbage. That’s true of most studios these days though, it’s always quantity over quality. Sequels that suck and remakes that nobody asked for basically define Hollywood these days.\nGood movies and tv are still being made, but finding them can be like searching for needles in a haystack."
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Sorry to say it but they just canceled inside job
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[
"I think stranger things is well written",
">\n\nNetflix puts out a lot of trash, specially for films, but they also have some good stories there: Marriage Story, Roma, The Ballad of Buster Scruggs, the two popes, The Meyerowitz Stories, I’m thinking of ending things, etc.\nLove death and robots was also really good, so was Manic, Bo Jack horseman, daredevil, Jessica jones…",
">\n\nI'm Thinking of Ending Things was a book though, so you can't really give them credit for the story.",
">\n\nI’m just talking about good stories, no matter if original or adapted.",
">\n\nWednesday was good until the sloppy rushjob that passed for a season finale. I'm still salty about it. The characters and setting have so much potential. \nStranger Things 1-2 were bangers, 3 fell flat, and 4 was a return to form. I hope they stick the landing with whatever finale they got planned. \nGlass Onion was a solid 8/10. Some of the satire was a bit too shallow, but it was mostly great fun with a great cast. \nOverall, I understand where you're coming from if you're criticizing the past few years of Netflix. Not everything is going to be superb like a lot of the older Netflix originals, but there are still gems in the mix. I'm digging Love, Death, and Robots these days, for instance.",
">\n\nMost others aren't much better these days.",
">\n\nHulu is still goated really...got a lot of mid 2000s shows that are great for binging and honestly the originals aren't half bad...the wolf and only murders were decent..",
">\n\nI agree. A lot of Netflix's and other streaming services' material would not be a success in a theater. The quality is the same as a \"straight to video\" movie.",
">\n\nThey put out some good things too but yeah, it’s mostly garbage. That’s true of most studios these days though, it’s always quantity over quality. Sequels that suck and remakes that nobody asked for basically define Hollywood these days.\nGood movies and tv are still being made, but finding them can be like searching for needles in a haystack.",
">\n\ninside job is pretty wnjoyable. also enjoying some of their \ndocumentaries"
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Netflix is garbage other than Stranger Things and Arrested Development
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"I think stranger things is well written",
">\n\nNetflix puts out a lot of trash, specially for films, but they also have some good stories there: Marriage Story, Roma, The Ballad of Buster Scruggs, the two popes, The Meyerowitz Stories, I’m thinking of ending things, etc.\nLove death and robots was also really good, so was Manic, Bo Jack horseman, daredevil, Jessica jones…",
">\n\nI'm Thinking of Ending Things was a book though, so you can't really give them credit for the story.",
">\n\nI’m just talking about good stories, no matter if original or adapted.",
">\n\nWednesday was good until the sloppy rushjob that passed for a season finale. I'm still salty about it. The characters and setting have so much potential. \nStranger Things 1-2 were bangers, 3 fell flat, and 4 was a return to form. I hope they stick the landing with whatever finale they got planned. \nGlass Onion was a solid 8/10. Some of the satire was a bit too shallow, but it was mostly great fun with a great cast. \nOverall, I understand where you're coming from if you're criticizing the past few years of Netflix. Not everything is going to be superb like a lot of the older Netflix originals, but there are still gems in the mix. I'm digging Love, Death, and Robots these days, for instance.",
">\n\nMost others aren't much better these days.",
">\n\nHulu is still goated really...got a lot of mid 2000s shows that are great for binging and honestly the originals aren't half bad...the wolf and only murders were decent..",
">\n\nI agree. A lot of Netflix's and other streaming services' material would not be a success in a theater. The quality is the same as a \"straight to video\" movie.",
">\n\nThey put out some good things too but yeah, it’s mostly garbage. That’s true of most studios these days though, it’s always quantity over quality. Sequels that suck and remakes that nobody asked for basically define Hollywood these days.\nGood movies and tv are still being made, but finding them can be like searching for needles in a haystack.",
">\n\ninside job is pretty wnjoyable. also enjoying some of their \ndocumentaries",
">\n\nSorry to say it but they just canceled inside job"
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Stranger Things does have a bad habit of having MBB stare intently off camera to finish episodes
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"I think stranger things is well written",
">\n\nNetflix puts out a lot of trash, specially for films, but they also have some good stories there: Marriage Story, Roma, The Ballad of Buster Scruggs, the two popes, The Meyerowitz Stories, I’m thinking of ending things, etc.\nLove death and robots was also really good, so was Manic, Bo Jack horseman, daredevil, Jessica jones…",
">\n\nI'm Thinking of Ending Things was a book though, so you can't really give them credit for the story.",
">\n\nI’m just talking about good stories, no matter if original or adapted.",
">\n\nWednesday was good until the sloppy rushjob that passed for a season finale. I'm still salty about it. The characters and setting have so much potential. \nStranger Things 1-2 were bangers, 3 fell flat, and 4 was a return to form. I hope they stick the landing with whatever finale they got planned. \nGlass Onion was a solid 8/10. Some of the satire was a bit too shallow, but it was mostly great fun with a great cast. \nOverall, I understand where you're coming from if you're criticizing the past few years of Netflix. Not everything is going to be superb like a lot of the older Netflix originals, but there are still gems in the mix. I'm digging Love, Death, and Robots these days, for instance.",
">\n\nMost others aren't much better these days.",
">\n\nHulu is still goated really...got a lot of mid 2000s shows that are great for binging and honestly the originals aren't half bad...the wolf and only murders were decent..",
">\n\nI agree. A lot of Netflix's and other streaming services' material would not be a success in a theater. The quality is the same as a \"straight to video\" movie.",
">\n\nThey put out some good things too but yeah, it’s mostly garbage. That’s true of most studios these days though, it’s always quantity over quality. Sequels that suck and remakes that nobody asked for basically define Hollywood these days.\nGood movies and tv are still being made, but finding them can be like searching for needles in a haystack.",
">\n\ninside job is pretty wnjoyable. also enjoying some of their \ndocumentaries",
">\n\nSorry to say it but they just canceled inside job",
">\n\nNetflix is garbage other than Stranger Things and Arrested Development"
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Most modern fiction is.
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"I think stranger things is well written",
">\n\nNetflix puts out a lot of trash, specially for films, but they also have some good stories there: Marriage Story, Roma, The Ballad of Buster Scruggs, the two popes, The Meyerowitz Stories, I’m thinking of ending things, etc.\nLove death and robots was also really good, so was Manic, Bo Jack horseman, daredevil, Jessica jones…",
">\n\nI'm Thinking of Ending Things was a book though, so you can't really give them credit for the story.",
">\n\nI’m just talking about good stories, no matter if original or adapted.",
">\n\nWednesday was good until the sloppy rushjob that passed for a season finale. I'm still salty about it. The characters and setting have so much potential. \nStranger Things 1-2 were bangers, 3 fell flat, and 4 was a return to form. I hope they stick the landing with whatever finale they got planned. \nGlass Onion was a solid 8/10. Some of the satire was a bit too shallow, but it was mostly great fun with a great cast. \nOverall, I understand where you're coming from if you're criticizing the past few years of Netflix. Not everything is going to be superb like a lot of the older Netflix originals, but there are still gems in the mix. I'm digging Love, Death, and Robots these days, for instance.",
">\n\nMost others aren't much better these days.",
">\n\nHulu is still goated really...got a lot of mid 2000s shows that are great for binging and honestly the originals aren't half bad...the wolf and only murders were decent..",
">\n\nI agree. A lot of Netflix's and other streaming services' material would not be a success in a theater. The quality is the same as a \"straight to video\" movie.",
">\n\nThey put out some good things too but yeah, it’s mostly garbage. That’s true of most studios these days though, it’s always quantity over quality. Sequels that suck and remakes that nobody asked for basically define Hollywood these days.\nGood movies and tv are still being made, but finding them can be like searching for needles in a haystack.",
">\n\ninside job is pretty wnjoyable. also enjoying some of their \ndocumentaries",
">\n\nSorry to say it but they just canceled inside job",
">\n\nNetflix is garbage other than Stranger Things and Arrested Development",
">\n\nStranger Things does have a bad habit of having MBB stare intently off camera to finish episodes"
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I agree but with their documentaries. I used to get so excited when shows like Making a Murderer would come out. Incredible documentaries. Now there are things like “Where’s My Jet”, a multi-episode, high production value of a reasonably interesting story that could have been done in a 30 minute one-off show
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"I think stranger things is well written",
">\n\nNetflix puts out a lot of trash, specially for films, but they also have some good stories there: Marriage Story, Roma, The Ballad of Buster Scruggs, the two popes, The Meyerowitz Stories, I’m thinking of ending things, etc.\nLove death and robots was also really good, so was Manic, Bo Jack horseman, daredevil, Jessica jones…",
">\n\nI'm Thinking of Ending Things was a book though, so you can't really give them credit for the story.",
">\n\nI’m just talking about good stories, no matter if original or adapted.",
">\n\nWednesday was good until the sloppy rushjob that passed for a season finale. I'm still salty about it. The characters and setting have so much potential. \nStranger Things 1-2 were bangers, 3 fell flat, and 4 was a return to form. I hope they stick the landing with whatever finale they got planned. \nGlass Onion was a solid 8/10. Some of the satire was a bit too shallow, but it was mostly great fun with a great cast. \nOverall, I understand where you're coming from if you're criticizing the past few years of Netflix. Not everything is going to be superb like a lot of the older Netflix originals, but there are still gems in the mix. I'm digging Love, Death, and Robots these days, for instance.",
">\n\nMost others aren't much better these days.",
">\n\nHulu is still goated really...got a lot of mid 2000s shows that are great for binging and honestly the originals aren't half bad...the wolf and only murders were decent..",
">\n\nI agree. A lot of Netflix's and other streaming services' material would not be a success in a theater. The quality is the same as a \"straight to video\" movie.",
">\n\nThey put out some good things too but yeah, it’s mostly garbage. That’s true of most studios these days though, it’s always quantity over quality. Sequels that suck and remakes that nobody asked for basically define Hollywood these days.\nGood movies and tv are still being made, but finding them can be like searching for needles in a haystack.",
">\n\ninside job is pretty wnjoyable. also enjoying some of their \ndocumentaries",
">\n\nSorry to say it but they just canceled inside job",
">\n\nNetflix is garbage other than Stranger Things and Arrested Development",
">\n\nStranger Things does have a bad habit of having MBB stare intently off camera to finish episodes",
">\n\nMost modern fiction is."
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Ironic that you couldnt bother to write the name of the movie correctly
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"I think stranger things is well written",
">\n\nNetflix puts out a lot of trash, specially for films, but they also have some good stories there: Marriage Story, Roma, The Ballad of Buster Scruggs, the two popes, The Meyerowitz Stories, I’m thinking of ending things, etc.\nLove death and robots was also really good, so was Manic, Bo Jack horseman, daredevil, Jessica jones…",
">\n\nI'm Thinking of Ending Things was a book though, so you can't really give them credit for the story.",
">\n\nI’m just talking about good stories, no matter if original or adapted.",
">\n\nWednesday was good until the sloppy rushjob that passed for a season finale. I'm still salty about it. The characters and setting have so much potential. \nStranger Things 1-2 were bangers, 3 fell flat, and 4 was a return to form. I hope they stick the landing with whatever finale they got planned. \nGlass Onion was a solid 8/10. Some of the satire was a bit too shallow, but it was mostly great fun with a great cast. \nOverall, I understand where you're coming from if you're criticizing the past few years of Netflix. Not everything is going to be superb like a lot of the older Netflix originals, but there are still gems in the mix. I'm digging Love, Death, and Robots these days, for instance.",
">\n\nMost others aren't much better these days.",
">\n\nHulu is still goated really...got a lot of mid 2000s shows that are great for binging and honestly the originals aren't half bad...the wolf and only murders were decent..",
">\n\nI agree. A lot of Netflix's and other streaming services' material would not be a success in a theater. The quality is the same as a \"straight to video\" movie.",
">\n\nThey put out some good things too but yeah, it’s mostly garbage. That’s true of most studios these days though, it’s always quantity over quality. Sequels that suck and remakes that nobody asked for basically define Hollywood these days.\nGood movies and tv are still being made, but finding them can be like searching for needles in a haystack.",
">\n\ninside job is pretty wnjoyable. also enjoying some of their \ndocumentaries",
">\n\nSorry to say it but they just canceled inside job",
">\n\nNetflix is garbage other than Stranger Things and Arrested Development",
">\n\nStranger Things does have a bad habit of having MBB stare intently off camera to finish episodes",
">\n\nMost modern fiction is.",
">\n\nI agree but with their documentaries. I used to get so excited when shows like Making a Murderer would come out. Incredible documentaries. Now there are things like “Where’s My Jet”, a multi-episode, high production value of a reasonably interesting story that could have been done in a 30 minute one-off show"
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"I think stranger things is well written",
">\n\nNetflix puts out a lot of trash, specially for films, but they also have some good stories there: Marriage Story, Roma, The Ballad of Buster Scruggs, the two popes, The Meyerowitz Stories, I’m thinking of ending things, etc.\nLove death and robots was also really good, so was Manic, Bo Jack horseman, daredevil, Jessica jones…",
">\n\nI'm Thinking of Ending Things was a book though, so you can't really give them credit for the story.",
">\n\nI’m just talking about good stories, no matter if original or adapted.",
">\n\nWednesday was good until the sloppy rushjob that passed for a season finale. I'm still salty about it. The characters and setting have so much potential. \nStranger Things 1-2 were bangers, 3 fell flat, and 4 was a return to form. I hope they stick the landing with whatever finale they got planned. \nGlass Onion was a solid 8/10. Some of the satire was a bit too shallow, but it was mostly great fun with a great cast. \nOverall, I understand where you're coming from if you're criticizing the past few years of Netflix. Not everything is going to be superb like a lot of the older Netflix originals, but there are still gems in the mix. I'm digging Love, Death, and Robots these days, for instance.",
">\n\nMost others aren't much better these days.",
">\n\nHulu is still goated really...got a lot of mid 2000s shows that are great for binging and honestly the originals aren't half bad...the wolf and only murders were decent..",
">\n\nI agree. A lot of Netflix's and other streaming services' material would not be a success in a theater. The quality is the same as a \"straight to video\" movie.",
">\n\nThey put out some good things too but yeah, it’s mostly garbage. That’s true of most studios these days though, it’s always quantity over quality. Sequels that suck and remakes that nobody asked for basically define Hollywood these days.\nGood movies and tv are still being made, but finding them can be like searching for needles in a haystack.",
">\n\ninside job is pretty wnjoyable. also enjoying some of their \ndocumentaries",
">\n\nSorry to say it but they just canceled inside job",
">\n\nNetflix is garbage other than Stranger Things and Arrested Development",
">\n\nStranger Things does have a bad habit of having MBB stare intently off camera to finish episodes",
">\n\nMost modern fiction is.",
">\n\nI agree but with their documentaries. I used to get so excited when shows like Making a Murderer would come out. Incredible documentaries. Now there are things like “Where’s My Jet”, a multi-episode, high production value of a reasonably interesting story that could have been done in a 30 minute one-off show",
">\n\nIronic that you couldnt bother to write the name of the movie correctly"
] |
Gov. Ron DeSantis appointed a group of hard-line conservative loyalists Friday into leadership positions at the New College of Florida, a move that comes as the Republican governor plots a remake of the state’s higher education system.
Several of the appointees are vocal opponents of gender- and race-related education issues that have fueled the right’s culture wars in schools. They were picked as DeSantis, who is eyeing a potential 2024 White House run, vows to fight “philosophical lunacy” in the schools.
Of the six appointed by DeSantis, the marquee names are Christopher Rufo, a conservative activist who helped turn critical race theory into a conservative rallying cry, and Matthew Spalding, a government professor at Hillsdale College, a conservative Christian college in Michigan.
Hillsdale’s digital digest, Imprimis, features the writing of conservative thinkers like Rufo, who has worked with DeSantis to combat issues like critical race theory and gender identity. The publication also includes articles with titles, like “The January 6 Insurrection Hoax,” “The Disaster at Our Southern Border,” “Gender Ideology Run Amok,” “Critical Race Theory: What it is and How to Fight it,” and “Who is in Control? The need to Rein in Big Tech.”
Apparently, Ron Desatan wants to make Florida into one giant Prager U—a white nationalist, creationist, dogma center that creates mindless drones.
At this point, if Ron Desantis gets his way and creates these universities, they should be seen as paper degrees, not even worth the paper they're printed on. What an absolute insult to freedom of thought, truth, and knowledge. Ron Desantis is a demagogue of the highest order.
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He's like Trump on steroids.
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"Gov. Ron DeSantis appointed a group of hard-line conservative loyalists Friday into leadership positions at the New College of Florida, a move that comes as the Republican governor plots a remake of the state’s higher education system. \nSeveral of the appointees are vocal opponents of gender- and race-related education issues that have fueled the right’s culture wars in schools. They were picked as DeSantis, who is eyeing a potential 2024 White House run, vows to fight “philosophical lunacy” in the schools. \nOf the six appointed by DeSantis, the marquee names are Christopher Rufo, a conservative activist who helped turn critical race theory into a conservative rallying cry, and Matthew Spalding, a government professor at Hillsdale College, a conservative Christian college in Michigan. \nHillsdale’s digital digest, Imprimis, features the writing of conservative thinkers like Rufo, who has worked with DeSantis to combat issues like critical race theory and gender identity. The publication also includes articles with titles, like “The January 6 Insurrection Hoax,” “The Disaster at Our Southern Border,” “Gender Ideology Run Amok,” “Critical Race Theory: What it is and How to Fight it,” and “Who is in Control? The need to Rein in Big Tech.”\n\n\nApparently, Ron Desatan wants to make Florida into one giant Prager U—a white nationalist, creationist, dogma center that creates mindless drones.\n\nAt this point, if Ron Desantis gets his way and creates these universities, they should be seen as paper degrees, not even worth the paper they're printed on. What an absolute insult to freedom of thought, truth, and knowledge. Ron Desantis is a demagogue of the highest order."
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Desantis is also like Mike Pence on steroids. He'd send all LGBTQIA+ people to conversion therapy and subject them to Alan Turing style torture if he knew he could get away with it.
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"Gov. Ron DeSantis appointed a group of hard-line conservative loyalists Friday into leadership positions at the New College of Florida, a move that comes as the Republican governor plots a remake of the state’s higher education system. \nSeveral of the appointees are vocal opponents of gender- and race-related education issues that have fueled the right’s culture wars in schools. They were picked as DeSantis, who is eyeing a potential 2024 White House run, vows to fight “philosophical lunacy” in the schools. \nOf the six appointed by DeSantis, the marquee names are Christopher Rufo, a conservative activist who helped turn critical race theory into a conservative rallying cry, and Matthew Spalding, a government professor at Hillsdale College, a conservative Christian college in Michigan. \nHillsdale’s digital digest, Imprimis, features the writing of conservative thinkers like Rufo, who has worked with DeSantis to combat issues like critical race theory and gender identity. The publication also includes articles with titles, like “The January 6 Insurrection Hoax,” “The Disaster at Our Southern Border,” “Gender Ideology Run Amok,” “Critical Race Theory: What it is and How to Fight it,” and “Who is in Control? The need to Rein in Big Tech.”\n\n\nApparently, Ron Desatan wants to make Florida into one giant Prager U—a white nationalist, creationist, dogma center that creates mindless drones.\n\nAt this point, if Ron Desantis gets his way and creates these universities, they should be seen as paper degrees, not even worth the paper they're printed on. What an absolute insult to freedom of thought, truth, and knowledge. Ron Desantis is a demagogue of the highest order.",
">\n\nHe's like Trump on steroids."
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Dolores Umbridge enters chat
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"Gov. Ron DeSantis appointed a group of hard-line conservative loyalists Friday into leadership positions at the New College of Florida, a move that comes as the Republican governor plots a remake of the state’s higher education system. \nSeveral of the appointees are vocal opponents of gender- and race-related education issues that have fueled the right’s culture wars in schools. They were picked as DeSantis, who is eyeing a potential 2024 White House run, vows to fight “philosophical lunacy” in the schools. \nOf the six appointed by DeSantis, the marquee names are Christopher Rufo, a conservative activist who helped turn critical race theory into a conservative rallying cry, and Matthew Spalding, a government professor at Hillsdale College, a conservative Christian college in Michigan. \nHillsdale’s digital digest, Imprimis, features the writing of conservative thinkers like Rufo, who has worked with DeSantis to combat issues like critical race theory and gender identity. The publication also includes articles with titles, like “The January 6 Insurrection Hoax,” “The Disaster at Our Southern Border,” “Gender Ideology Run Amok,” “Critical Race Theory: What it is and How to Fight it,” and “Who is in Control? The need to Rein in Big Tech.”\n\n\nApparently, Ron Desatan wants to make Florida into one giant Prager U—a white nationalist, creationist, dogma center that creates mindless drones.\n\nAt this point, if Ron Desantis gets his way and creates these universities, they should be seen as paper degrees, not even worth the paper they're printed on. What an absolute insult to freedom of thought, truth, and knowledge. Ron Desantis is a demagogue of the highest order.",
">\n\nHe's like Trump on steroids.",
">\n\nDesantis is also like Mike Pence on steroids. He'd send all LGBTQIA+ people to conversion therapy and subject them to Alan Turing style torture if he knew he could get away with it."
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At this point, I'm think Dolores Umbridge might have been the author's self-insert character
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"Gov. Ron DeSantis appointed a group of hard-line conservative loyalists Friday into leadership positions at the New College of Florida, a move that comes as the Republican governor plots a remake of the state’s higher education system. \nSeveral of the appointees are vocal opponents of gender- and race-related education issues that have fueled the right’s culture wars in schools. They were picked as DeSantis, who is eyeing a potential 2024 White House run, vows to fight “philosophical lunacy” in the schools. \nOf the six appointed by DeSantis, the marquee names are Christopher Rufo, a conservative activist who helped turn critical race theory into a conservative rallying cry, and Matthew Spalding, a government professor at Hillsdale College, a conservative Christian college in Michigan. \nHillsdale’s digital digest, Imprimis, features the writing of conservative thinkers like Rufo, who has worked with DeSantis to combat issues like critical race theory and gender identity. The publication also includes articles with titles, like “The January 6 Insurrection Hoax,” “The Disaster at Our Southern Border,” “Gender Ideology Run Amok,” “Critical Race Theory: What it is and How to Fight it,” and “Who is in Control? The need to Rein in Big Tech.”\n\n\nApparently, Ron Desatan wants to make Florida into one giant Prager U—a white nationalist, creationist, dogma center that creates mindless drones.\n\nAt this point, if Ron Desantis gets his way and creates these universities, they should be seen as paper degrees, not even worth the paper they're printed on. What an absolute insult to freedom of thought, truth, and knowledge. Ron Desantis is a demagogue of the highest order.",
">\n\nHe's like Trump on steroids.",
">\n\nDesantis is also like Mike Pence on steroids. He'd send all LGBTQIA+ people to conversion therapy and subject them to Alan Turing style torture if he knew he could get away with it.",
">\n\nDolores Umbridge enters chat"
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It feels like Texas and Florida are in a competition to see who can destroy their state faster. They are actively encouraging the brain drain of the smartest, well-trained people. Maybe they are trying to make Mississippi feel better about itself?
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"Gov. Ron DeSantis appointed a group of hard-line conservative loyalists Friday into leadership positions at the New College of Florida, a move that comes as the Republican governor plots a remake of the state’s higher education system. \nSeveral of the appointees are vocal opponents of gender- and race-related education issues that have fueled the right’s culture wars in schools. They were picked as DeSantis, who is eyeing a potential 2024 White House run, vows to fight “philosophical lunacy” in the schools. \nOf the six appointed by DeSantis, the marquee names are Christopher Rufo, a conservative activist who helped turn critical race theory into a conservative rallying cry, and Matthew Spalding, a government professor at Hillsdale College, a conservative Christian college in Michigan. \nHillsdale’s digital digest, Imprimis, features the writing of conservative thinkers like Rufo, who has worked with DeSantis to combat issues like critical race theory and gender identity. The publication also includes articles with titles, like “The January 6 Insurrection Hoax,” “The Disaster at Our Southern Border,” “Gender Ideology Run Amok,” “Critical Race Theory: What it is and How to Fight it,” and “Who is in Control? The need to Rein in Big Tech.”\n\n\nApparently, Ron Desatan wants to make Florida into one giant Prager U—a white nationalist, creationist, dogma center that creates mindless drones.\n\nAt this point, if Ron Desantis gets his way and creates these universities, they should be seen as paper degrees, not even worth the paper they're printed on. What an absolute insult to freedom of thought, truth, and knowledge. Ron Desantis is a demagogue of the highest order.",
">\n\nHe's like Trump on steroids.",
">\n\nDesantis is also like Mike Pence on steroids. He'd send all LGBTQIA+ people to conversion therapy and subject them to Alan Turing style torture if he knew he could get away with it.",
">\n\nDolores Umbridge enters chat",
">\n\nAt this point, I'm think Dolores Umbridge might have been the author's self-insert character"
] |
>
Weird how California is about to be wildly in debt and Texas and Florida.....are not.
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[
"Gov. Ron DeSantis appointed a group of hard-line conservative loyalists Friday into leadership positions at the New College of Florida, a move that comes as the Republican governor plots a remake of the state’s higher education system. \nSeveral of the appointees are vocal opponents of gender- and race-related education issues that have fueled the right’s culture wars in schools. They were picked as DeSantis, who is eyeing a potential 2024 White House run, vows to fight “philosophical lunacy” in the schools. \nOf the six appointed by DeSantis, the marquee names are Christopher Rufo, a conservative activist who helped turn critical race theory into a conservative rallying cry, and Matthew Spalding, a government professor at Hillsdale College, a conservative Christian college in Michigan. \nHillsdale’s digital digest, Imprimis, features the writing of conservative thinkers like Rufo, who has worked with DeSantis to combat issues like critical race theory and gender identity. The publication also includes articles with titles, like “The January 6 Insurrection Hoax,” “The Disaster at Our Southern Border,” “Gender Ideology Run Amok,” “Critical Race Theory: What it is and How to Fight it,” and “Who is in Control? The need to Rein in Big Tech.”\n\n\nApparently, Ron Desatan wants to make Florida into one giant Prager U—a white nationalist, creationist, dogma center that creates mindless drones.\n\nAt this point, if Ron Desantis gets his way and creates these universities, they should be seen as paper degrees, not even worth the paper they're printed on. What an absolute insult to freedom of thought, truth, and knowledge. Ron Desantis is a demagogue of the highest order.",
">\n\nHe's like Trump on steroids.",
">\n\nDesantis is also like Mike Pence on steroids. He'd send all LGBTQIA+ people to conversion therapy and subject them to Alan Turing style torture if he knew he could get away with it.",
">\n\nDolores Umbridge enters chat",
">\n\nAt this point, I'm think Dolores Umbridge might have been the author's self-insert character",
">\n\nIt feels like Texas and Florida are in a competition to see who can destroy their state faster. They are actively encouraging the brain drain of the smartest, well-trained people. Maybe they are trying to make Mississippi feel better about itself?"
] |
>
Any day now. The world's fifth largest GDP is going to go onto dept. Any day now.... probably about the time Regannomics starts trickling down.
/s
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[
"Gov. Ron DeSantis appointed a group of hard-line conservative loyalists Friday into leadership positions at the New College of Florida, a move that comes as the Republican governor plots a remake of the state’s higher education system. \nSeveral of the appointees are vocal opponents of gender- and race-related education issues that have fueled the right’s culture wars in schools. They were picked as DeSantis, who is eyeing a potential 2024 White House run, vows to fight “philosophical lunacy” in the schools. \nOf the six appointed by DeSantis, the marquee names are Christopher Rufo, a conservative activist who helped turn critical race theory into a conservative rallying cry, and Matthew Spalding, a government professor at Hillsdale College, a conservative Christian college in Michigan. \nHillsdale’s digital digest, Imprimis, features the writing of conservative thinkers like Rufo, who has worked with DeSantis to combat issues like critical race theory and gender identity. The publication also includes articles with titles, like “The January 6 Insurrection Hoax,” “The Disaster at Our Southern Border,” “Gender Ideology Run Amok,” “Critical Race Theory: What it is and How to Fight it,” and “Who is in Control? The need to Rein in Big Tech.”\n\n\nApparently, Ron Desatan wants to make Florida into one giant Prager U—a white nationalist, creationist, dogma center that creates mindless drones.\n\nAt this point, if Ron Desantis gets his way and creates these universities, they should be seen as paper degrees, not even worth the paper they're printed on. What an absolute insult to freedom of thought, truth, and knowledge. Ron Desantis is a demagogue of the highest order.",
">\n\nHe's like Trump on steroids.",
">\n\nDesantis is also like Mike Pence on steroids. He'd send all LGBTQIA+ people to conversion therapy and subject them to Alan Turing style torture if he knew he could get away with it.",
">\n\nDolores Umbridge enters chat",
">\n\nAt this point, I'm think Dolores Umbridge might have been the author's self-insert character",
">\n\nIt feels like Texas and Florida are in a competition to see who can destroy their state faster. They are actively encouraging the brain drain of the smartest, well-trained people. Maybe they are trying to make Mississippi feel better about itself?",
">\n\nWeird how California is about to be wildly in debt and Texas and Florida.....are not."
] |
>
For those not familiar with New College, this is particularly dangerous at a school like this. New College has a unique academic environment that encourages independent thought, inquiry and exploration. Wikipedia can explain more of the details, but it's essentially a college version of a montessori school.
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"Gov. Ron DeSantis appointed a group of hard-line conservative loyalists Friday into leadership positions at the New College of Florida, a move that comes as the Republican governor plots a remake of the state’s higher education system. \nSeveral of the appointees are vocal opponents of gender- and race-related education issues that have fueled the right’s culture wars in schools. They were picked as DeSantis, who is eyeing a potential 2024 White House run, vows to fight “philosophical lunacy” in the schools. \nOf the six appointed by DeSantis, the marquee names are Christopher Rufo, a conservative activist who helped turn critical race theory into a conservative rallying cry, and Matthew Spalding, a government professor at Hillsdale College, a conservative Christian college in Michigan. \nHillsdale’s digital digest, Imprimis, features the writing of conservative thinkers like Rufo, who has worked with DeSantis to combat issues like critical race theory and gender identity. The publication also includes articles with titles, like “The January 6 Insurrection Hoax,” “The Disaster at Our Southern Border,” “Gender Ideology Run Amok,” “Critical Race Theory: What it is and How to Fight it,” and “Who is in Control? The need to Rein in Big Tech.”\n\n\nApparently, Ron Desatan wants to make Florida into one giant Prager U—a white nationalist, creationist, dogma center that creates mindless drones.\n\nAt this point, if Ron Desantis gets his way and creates these universities, they should be seen as paper degrees, not even worth the paper they're printed on. What an absolute insult to freedom of thought, truth, and knowledge. Ron Desantis is a demagogue of the highest order.",
">\n\nHe's like Trump on steroids.",
">\n\nDesantis is also like Mike Pence on steroids. He'd send all LGBTQIA+ people to conversion therapy and subject them to Alan Turing style torture if he knew he could get away with it.",
">\n\nDolores Umbridge enters chat",
">\n\nAt this point, I'm think Dolores Umbridge might have been the author's self-insert character",
">\n\nIt feels like Texas and Florida are in a competition to see who can destroy their state faster. They are actively encouraging the brain drain of the smartest, well-trained people. Maybe they are trying to make Mississippi feel better about itself?",
">\n\nWeird how California is about to be wildly in debt and Texas and Florida.....are not.",
">\n\nAny day now. The world's fifth largest GDP is going to go onto dept. Any day now.... probably about the time Regannomics starts trickling down.\n/s"
] |
>
As a New College graduate I can say it's more liberal than any Montessori school. It's a rigorous honor school with very small class sizes, that is ridiculously easy to flunk out in, even for smart kids. You'd see people dropping out like flies. Has a history of allowing/nurturing strikingly non-conventional elements, as long as the students could master the work. It could resemble a molotov cocktail against traditional colleges. There's no fraternities, sororities, no worship of collegial sports. Most of the trustees DeSantis is inserting would flunk out or never go there.
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"Gov. Ron DeSantis appointed a group of hard-line conservative loyalists Friday into leadership positions at the New College of Florida, a move that comes as the Republican governor plots a remake of the state’s higher education system. \nSeveral of the appointees are vocal opponents of gender- and race-related education issues that have fueled the right’s culture wars in schools. They were picked as DeSantis, who is eyeing a potential 2024 White House run, vows to fight “philosophical lunacy” in the schools. \nOf the six appointed by DeSantis, the marquee names are Christopher Rufo, a conservative activist who helped turn critical race theory into a conservative rallying cry, and Matthew Spalding, a government professor at Hillsdale College, a conservative Christian college in Michigan. \nHillsdale’s digital digest, Imprimis, features the writing of conservative thinkers like Rufo, who has worked with DeSantis to combat issues like critical race theory and gender identity. The publication also includes articles with titles, like “The January 6 Insurrection Hoax,” “The Disaster at Our Southern Border,” “Gender Ideology Run Amok,” “Critical Race Theory: What it is and How to Fight it,” and “Who is in Control? The need to Rein in Big Tech.”\n\n\nApparently, Ron Desatan wants to make Florida into one giant Prager U—a white nationalist, creationist, dogma center that creates mindless drones.\n\nAt this point, if Ron Desantis gets his way and creates these universities, they should be seen as paper degrees, not even worth the paper they're printed on. What an absolute insult to freedom of thought, truth, and knowledge. Ron Desantis is a demagogue of the highest order.",
">\n\nHe's like Trump on steroids.",
">\n\nDesantis is also like Mike Pence on steroids. He'd send all LGBTQIA+ people to conversion therapy and subject them to Alan Turing style torture if he knew he could get away with it.",
">\n\nDolores Umbridge enters chat",
">\n\nAt this point, I'm think Dolores Umbridge might have been the author's self-insert character",
">\n\nIt feels like Texas and Florida are in a competition to see who can destroy their state faster. They are actively encouraging the brain drain of the smartest, well-trained people. Maybe they are trying to make Mississippi feel better about itself?",
">\n\nWeird how California is about to be wildly in debt and Texas and Florida.....are not.",
">\n\nAny day now. The world's fifth largest GDP is going to go onto dept. Any day now.... probably about the time Regannomics starts trickling down.\n/s",
">\n\nFor those not familiar with New College, this is particularly dangerous at a school like this. New College has a unique academic environment that encourages independent thought, inquiry and exploration. Wikipedia can explain more of the details, but it's essentially a college version of a montessori school."
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Most of the trustees Desantis named would flunk out of any school, to be honest.
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"Gov. Ron DeSantis appointed a group of hard-line conservative loyalists Friday into leadership positions at the New College of Florida, a move that comes as the Republican governor plots a remake of the state’s higher education system. \nSeveral of the appointees are vocal opponents of gender- and race-related education issues that have fueled the right’s culture wars in schools. They were picked as DeSantis, who is eyeing a potential 2024 White House run, vows to fight “philosophical lunacy” in the schools. \nOf the six appointed by DeSantis, the marquee names are Christopher Rufo, a conservative activist who helped turn critical race theory into a conservative rallying cry, and Matthew Spalding, a government professor at Hillsdale College, a conservative Christian college in Michigan. \nHillsdale’s digital digest, Imprimis, features the writing of conservative thinkers like Rufo, who has worked with DeSantis to combat issues like critical race theory and gender identity. The publication also includes articles with titles, like “The January 6 Insurrection Hoax,” “The Disaster at Our Southern Border,” “Gender Ideology Run Amok,” “Critical Race Theory: What it is and How to Fight it,” and “Who is in Control? The need to Rein in Big Tech.”\n\n\nApparently, Ron Desatan wants to make Florida into one giant Prager U—a white nationalist, creationist, dogma center that creates mindless drones.\n\nAt this point, if Ron Desantis gets his way and creates these universities, they should be seen as paper degrees, not even worth the paper they're printed on. What an absolute insult to freedom of thought, truth, and knowledge. Ron Desantis is a demagogue of the highest order.",
">\n\nHe's like Trump on steroids.",
">\n\nDesantis is also like Mike Pence on steroids. He'd send all LGBTQIA+ people to conversion therapy and subject them to Alan Turing style torture if he knew he could get away with it.",
">\n\nDolores Umbridge enters chat",
">\n\nAt this point, I'm think Dolores Umbridge might have been the author's self-insert character",
">\n\nIt feels like Texas and Florida are in a competition to see who can destroy their state faster. They are actively encouraging the brain drain of the smartest, well-trained people. Maybe they are trying to make Mississippi feel better about itself?",
">\n\nWeird how California is about to be wildly in debt and Texas and Florida.....are not.",
">\n\nAny day now. The world's fifth largest GDP is going to go onto dept. Any day now.... probably about the time Regannomics starts trickling down.\n/s",
">\n\nFor those not familiar with New College, this is particularly dangerous at a school like this. New College has a unique academic environment that encourages independent thought, inquiry and exploration. Wikipedia can explain more of the details, but it's essentially a college version of a montessori school.",
">\n\nAs a New College graduate I can say it's more liberal than any Montessori school. It's a rigorous honor school with very small class sizes, that is ridiculously easy to flunk out in, even for smart kids. You'd see people dropping out like flies. Has a history of allowing/nurturing strikingly non-conventional elements, as long as the students could master the work. It could resemble a molotov cocktail against traditional colleges. There's no fraternities, sororities, no worship of collegial sports. Most of the trustees DeSantis is inserting would flunk out or never go there."
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Exactly.
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[
"Gov. Ron DeSantis appointed a group of hard-line conservative loyalists Friday into leadership positions at the New College of Florida, a move that comes as the Republican governor plots a remake of the state’s higher education system. \nSeveral of the appointees are vocal opponents of gender- and race-related education issues that have fueled the right’s culture wars in schools. They were picked as DeSantis, who is eyeing a potential 2024 White House run, vows to fight “philosophical lunacy” in the schools. \nOf the six appointed by DeSantis, the marquee names are Christopher Rufo, a conservative activist who helped turn critical race theory into a conservative rallying cry, and Matthew Spalding, a government professor at Hillsdale College, a conservative Christian college in Michigan. \nHillsdale’s digital digest, Imprimis, features the writing of conservative thinkers like Rufo, who has worked with DeSantis to combat issues like critical race theory and gender identity. The publication also includes articles with titles, like “The January 6 Insurrection Hoax,” “The Disaster at Our Southern Border,” “Gender Ideology Run Amok,” “Critical Race Theory: What it is and How to Fight it,” and “Who is in Control? The need to Rein in Big Tech.”\n\n\nApparently, Ron Desatan wants to make Florida into one giant Prager U—a white nationalist, creationist, dogma center that creates mindless drones.\n\nAt this point, if Ron Desantis gets his way and creates these universities, they should be seen as paper degrees, not even worth the paper they're printed on. What an absolute insult to freedom of thought, truth, and knowledge. Ron Desantis is a demagogue of the highest order.",
">\n\nHe's like Trump on steroids.",
">\n\nDesantis is also like Mike Pence on steroids. He'd send all LGBTQIA+ people to conversion therapy and subject them to Alan Turing style torture if he knew he could get away with it.",
">\n\nDolores Umbridge enters chat",
">\n\nAt this point, I'm think Dolores Umbridge might have been the author's self-insert character",
">\n\nIt feels like Texas and Florida are in a competition to see who can destroy their state faster. They are actively encouraging the brain drain of the smartest, well-trained people. Maybe they are trying to make Mississippi feel better about itself?",
">\n\nWeird how California is about to be wildly in debt and Texas and Florida.....are not.",
">\n\nAny day now. The world's fifth largest GDP is going to go onto dept. Any day now.... probably about the time Regannomics starts trickling down.\n/s",
">\n\nFor those not familiar with New College, this is particularly dangerous at a school like this. New College has a unique academic environment that encourages independent thought, inquiry and exploration. Wikipedia can explain more of the details, but it's essentially a college version of a montessori school.",
">\n\nAs a New College graduate I can say it's more liberal than any Montessori school. It's a rigorous honor school with very small class sizes, that is ridiculously easy to flunk out in, even for smart kids. You'd see people dropping out like flies. Has a history of allowing/nurturing strikingly non-conventional elements, as long as the students could master the work. It could resemble a molotov cocktail against traditional colleges. There's no fraternities, sororities, no worship of collegial sports. Most of the trustees DeSantis is inserting would flunk out or never go there.",
">\n\nMost of the trustees Desantis named would flunk out of any school, to be honest."
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I was just thinking to myself the other day,
“I can’t wait to spend my money sending my intelligent daughter to a red state college where a frat bro has more rights raping her, than she has rights over her own body.”
“Plus I definitely want her lectured daily on books approved by the kookiest moms for Liberty school boards and constantly harassed to be super duper christian to the point where they groom and groom groom her into stupidity believing magic sky daddy has more power over her future than she does.”
Seriously, who is signing up for this?
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[
"Gov. Ron DeSantis appointed a group of hard-line conservative loyalists Friday into leadership positions at the New College of Florida, a move that comes as the Republican governor plots a remake of the state’s higher education system. \nSeveral of the appointees are vocal opponents of gender- and race-related education issues that have fueled the right’s culture wars in schools. They were picked as DeSantis, who is eyeing a potential 2024 White House run, vows to fight “philosophical lunacy” in the schools. \nOf the six appointed by DeSantis, the marquee names are Christopher Rufo, a conservative activist who helped turn critical race theory into a conservative rallying cry, and Matthew Spalding, a government professor at Hillsdale College, a conservative Christian college in Michigan. \nHillsdale’s digital digest, Imprimis, features the writing of conservative thinkers like Rufo, who has worked with DeSantis to combat issues like critical race theory and gender identity. The publication also includes articles with titles, like “The January 6 Insurrection Hoax,” “The Disaster at Our Southern Border,” “Gender Ideology Run Amok,” “Critical Race Theory: What it is and How to Fight it,” and “Who is in Control? The need to Rein in Big Tech.”\n\n\nApparently, Ron Desatan wants to make Florida into one giant Prager U—a white nationalist, creationist, dogma center that creates mindless drones.\n\nAt this point, if Ron Desantis gets his way and creates these universities, they should be seen as paper degrees, not even worth the paper they're printed on. What an absolute insult to freedom of thought, truth, and knowledge. Ron Desantis is a demagogue of the highest order.",
">\n\nHe's like Trump on steroids.",
">\n\nDesantis is also like Mike Pence on steroids. He'd send all LGBTQIA+ people to conversion therapy and subject them to Alan Turing style torture if he knew he could get away with it.",
">\n\nDolores Umbridge enters chat",
">\n\nAt this point, I'm think Dolores Umbridge might have been the author's self-insert character",
">\n\nIt feels like Texas and Florida are in a competition to see who can destroy their state faster. They are actively encouraging the brain drain of the smartest, well-trained people. Maybe they are trying to make Mississippi feel better about itself?",
">\n\nWeird how California is about to be wildly in debt and Texas and Florida.....are not.",
">\n\nAny day now. The world's fifth largest GDP is going to go onto dept. Any day now.... probably about the time Regannomics starts trickling down.\n/s",
">\n\nFor those not familiar with New College, this is particularly dangerous at a school like this. New College has a unique academic environment that encourages independent thought, inquiry and exploration. Wikipedia can explain more of the details, but it's essentially a college version of a montessori school.",
">\n\nAs a New College graduate I can say it's more liberal than any Montessori school. It's a rigorous honor school with very small class sizes, that is ridiculously easy to flunk out in, even for smart kids. You'd see people dropping out like flies. Has a history of allowing/nurturing strikingly non-conventional elements, as long as the students could master the work. It could resemble a molotov cocktail against traditional colleges. There's no fraternities, sororities, no worship of collegial sports. Most of the trustees DeSantis is inserting would flunk out or never go there.",
">\n\nMost of the trustees Desantis named would flunk out of any school, to be honest.",
">\n\nExactly."
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>
this is part of the idea, they want to destroy education for people who are not on their side
|
[
"Gov. Ron DeSantis appointed a group of hard-line conservative loyalists Friday into leadership positions at the New College of Florida, a move that comes as the Republican governor plots a remake of the state’s higher education system. \nSeveral of the appointees are vocal opponents of gender- and race-related education issues that have fueled the right’s culture wars in schools. They were picked as DeSantis, who is eyeing a potential 2024 White House run, vows to fight “philosophical lunacy” in the schools. \nOf the six appointed by DeSantis, the marquee names are Christopher Rufo, a conservative activist who helped turn critical race theory into a conservative rallying cry, and Matthew Spalding, a government professor at Hillsdale College, a conservative Christian college in Michigan. \nHillsdale’s digital digest, Imprimis, features the writing of conservative thinkers like Rufo, who has worked with DeSantis to combat issues like critical race theory and gender identity. The publication also includes articles with titles, like “The January 6 Insurrection Hoax,” “The Disaster at Our Southern Border,” “Gender Ideology Run Amok,” “Critical Race Theory: What it is and How to Fight it,” and “Who is in Control? The need to Rein in Big Tech.”\n\n\nApparently, Ron Desatan wants to make Florida into one giant Prager U—a white nationalist, creationist, dogma center that creates mindless drones.\n\nAt this point, if Ron Desantis gets his way and creates these universities, they should be seen as paper degrees, not even worth the paper they're printed on. What an absolute insult to freedom of thought, truth, and knowledge. Ron Desantis is a demagogue of the highest order.",
">\n\nHe's like Trump on steroids.",
">\n\nDesantis is also like Mike Pence on steroids. He'd send all LGBTQIA+ people to conversion therapy and subject them to Alan Turing style torture if he knew he could get away with it.",
">\n\nDolores Umbridge enters chat",
">\n\nAt this point, I'm think Dolores Umbridge might have been the author's self-insert character",
">\n\nIt feels like Texas and Florida are in a competition to see who can destroy their state faster. They are actively encouraging the brain drain of the smartest, well-trained people. Maybe they are trying to make Mississippi feel better about itself?",
">\n\nWeird how California is about to be wildly in debt and Texas and Florida.....are not.",
">\n\nAny day now. The world's fifth largest GDP is going to go onto dept. Any day now.... probably about the time Regannomics starts trickling down.\n/s",
">\n\nFor those not familiar with New College, this is particularly dangerous at a school like this. New College has a unique academic environment that encourages independent thought, inquiry and exploration. Wikipedia can explain more of the details, but it's essentially a college version of a montessori school.",
">\n\nAs a New College graduate I can say it's more liberal than any Montessori school. It's a rigorous honor school with very small class sizes, that is ridiculously easy to flunk out in, even for smart kids. You'd see people dropping out like flies. Has a history of allowing/nurturing strikingly non-conventional elements, as long as the students could master the work. It could resemble a molotov cocktail against traditional colleges. There's no fraternities, sororities, no worship of collegial sports. Most of the trustees DeSantis is inserting would flunk out or never go there.",
">\n\nMost of the trustees Desantis named would flunk out of any school, to be honest.",
">\n\nExactly.",
">\n\nI was just thinking to myself the other day, \n“I can’t wait to spend my money sending my intelligent daughter to a red state college where a frat bro has more rights raping her, than she has rights over her own body.”\n“Plus I definitely want her lectured daily on books approved by the kookiest moms for Liberty school boards and constantly harassed to be super duper christian to the point where they groom and groom groom her into stupidity believing magic sky daddy has more power over her future than she does.”\nSeriously, who is signing up for this?"
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There is no actual separation of church and state in America. When’s the last fucking time a Republican got in trouble legislating their bastardized view of Christianity?
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[
"Gov. Ron DeSantis appointed a group of hard-line conservative loyalists Friday into leadership positions at the New College of Florida, a move that comes as the Republican governor plots a remake of the state’s higher education system. \nSeveral of the appointees are vocal opponents of gender- and race-related education issues that have fueled the right’s culture wars in schools. They were picked as DeSantis, who is eyeing a potential 2024 White House run, vows to fight “philosophical lunacy” in the schools. \nOf the six appointed by DeSantis, the marquee names are Christopher Rufo, a conservative activist who helped turn critical race theory into a conservative rallying cry, and Matthew Spalding, a government professor at Hillsdale College, a conservative Christian college in Michigan. \nHillsdale’s digital digest, Imprimis, features the writing of conservative thinkers like Rufo, who has worked with DeSantis to combat issues like critical race theory and gender identity. The publication also includes articles with titles, like “The January 6 Insurrection Hoax,” “The Disaster at Our Southern Border,” “Gender Ideology Run Amok,” “Critical Race Theory: What it is and How to Fight it,” and “Who is in Control? The need to Rein in Big Tech.”\n\n\nApparently, Ron Desatan wants to make Florida into one giant Prager U—a white nationalist, creationist, dogma center that creates mindless drones.\n\nAt this point, if Ron Desantis gets his way and creates these universities, they should be seen as paper degrees, not even worth the paper they're printed on. What an absolute insult to freedom of thought, truth, and knowledge. Ron Desantis is a demagogue of the highest order.",
">\n\nHe's like Trump on steroids.",
">\n\nDesantis is also like Mike Pence on steroids. He'd send all LGBTQIA+ people to conversion therapy and subject them to Alan Turing style torture if he knew he could get away with it.",
">\n\nDolores Umbridge enters chat",
">\n\nAt this point, I'm think Dolores Umbridge might have been the author's self-insert character",
">\n\nIt feels like Texas and Florida are in a competition to see who can destroy their state faster. They are actively encouraging the brain drain of the smartest, well-trained people. Maybe they are trying to make Mississippi feel better about itself?",
">\n\nWeird how California is about to be wildly in debt and Texas and Florida.....are not.",
">\n\nAny day now. The world's fifth largest GDP is going to go onto dept. Any day now.... probably about the time Regannomics starts trickling down.\n/s",
">\n\nFor those not familiar with New College, this is particularly dangerous at a school like this. New College has a unique academic environment that encourages independent thought, inquiry and exploration. Wikipedia can explain more of the details, but it's essentially a college version of a montessori school.",
">\n\nAs a New College graduate I can say it's more liberal than any Montessori school. It's a rigorous honor school with very small class sizes, that is ridiculously easy to flunk out in, even for smart kids. You'd see people dropping out like flies. Has a history of allowing/nurturing strikingly non-conventional elements, as long as the students could master the work. It could resemble a molotov cocktail against traditional colleges. There's no fraternities, sororities, no worship of collegial sports. Most of the trustees DeSantis is inserting would flunk out or never go there.",
">\n\nMost of the trustees Desantis named would flunk out of any school, to be honest.",
">\n\nExactly.",
">\n\nI was just thinking to myself the other day, \n“I can’t wait to spend my money sending my intelligent daughter to a red state college where a frat bro has more rights raping her, than she has rights over her own body.”\n“Plus I definitely want her lectured daily on books approved by the kookiest moms for Liberty school boards and constantly harassed to be super duper christian to the point where they groom and groom groom her into stupidity believing magic sky daddy has more power over her future than she does.”\nSeriously, who is signing up for this?",
">\n\nthis is part of the idea, they want to destroy education for people who are not on their side"
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It never seems to happen. They never seem to be condemned for trying to enforce Christianity, because they'll accuse you of hating Christianity if you say it. States still don't allow atheists to run for office today, which no one bats an eye about for some reason. You won't hear mainstream media talk about the war on atheists, but they'll go off every year about the war on Christmas. Just ludicrous, all the way.
|
[
"Gov. Ron DeSantis appointed a group of hard-line conservative loyalists Friday into leadership positions at the New College of Florida, a move that comes as the Republican governor plots a remake of the state’s higher education system. \nSeveral of the appointees are vocal opponents of gender- and race-related education issues that have fueled the right’s culture wars in schools. They were picked as DeSantis, who is eyeing a potential 2024 White House run, vows to fight “philosophical lunacy” in the schools. \nOf the six appointed by DeSantis, the marquee names are Christopher Rufo, a conservative activist who helped turn critical race theory into a conservative rallying cry, and Matthew Spalding, a government professor at Hillsdale College, a conservative Christian college in Michigan. \nHillsdale’s digital digest, Imprimis, features the writing of conservative thinkers like Rufo, who has worked with DeSantis to combat issues like critical race theory and gender identity. The publication also includes articles with titles, like “The January 6 Insurrection Hoax,” “The Disaster at Our Southern Border,” “Gender Ideology Run Amok,” “Critical Race Theory: What it is and How to Fight it,” and “Who is in Control? The need to Rein in Big Tech.”\n\n\nApparently, Ron Desatan wants to make Florida into one giant Prager U—a white nationalist, creationist, dogma center that creates mindless drones.\n\nAt this point, if Ron Desantis gets his way and creates these universities, they should be seen as paper degrees, not even worth the paper they're printed on. What an absolute insult to freedom of thought, truth, and knowledge. Ron Desantis is a demagogue of the highest order.",
">\n\nHe's like Trump on steroids.",
">\n\nDesantis is also like Mike Pence on steroids. He'd send all LGBTQIA+ people to conversion therapy and subject them to Alan Turing style torture if he knew he could get away with it.",
">\n\nDolores Umbridge enters chat",
">\n\nAt this point, I'm think Dolores Umbridge might have been the author's self-insert character",
">\n\nIt feels like Texas and Florida are in a competition to see who can destroy their state faster. They are actively encouraging the brain drain of the smartest, well-trained people. Maybe they are trying to make Mississippi feel better about itself?",
">\n\nWeird how California is about to be wildly in debt and Texas and Florida.....are not.",
">\n\nAny day now. The world's fifth largest GDP is going to go onto dept. Any day now.... probably about the time Regannomics starts trickling down.\n/s",
">\n\nFor those not familiar with New College, this is particularly dangerous at a school like this. New College has a unique academic environment that encourages independent thought, inquiry and exploration. Wikipedia can explain more of the details, but it's essentially a college version of a montessori school.",
">\n\nAs a New College graduate I can say it's more liberal than any Montessori school. It's a rigorous honor school with very small class sizes, that is ridiculously easy to flunk out in, even for smart kids. You'd see people dropping out like flies. Has a history of allowing/nurturing strikingly non-conventional elements, as long as the students could master the work. It could resemble a molotov cocktail against traditional colleges. There's no fraternities, sororities, no worship of collegial sports. Most of the trustees DeSantis is inserting would flunk out or never go there.",
">\n\nMost of the trustees Desantis named would flunk out of any school, to be honest.",
">\n\nExactly.",
">\n\nI was just thinking to myself the other day, \n“I can’t wait to spend my money sending my intelligent daughter to a red state college where a frat bro has more rights raping her, than she has rights over her own body.”\n“Plus I definitely want her lectured daily on books approved by the kookiest moms for Liberty school boards and constantly harassed to be super duper christian to the point where they groom and groom groom her into stupidity believing magic sky daddy has more power over her future than she does.”\nSeriously, who is signing up for this?",
">\n\nthis is part of the idea, they want to destroy education for people who are not on their side",
">\n\nThere is no actual separation of church and state in America. When’s the last fucking time a Republican got in trouble legislating their bastardized view of Christianity?"
] |
>
Absolutely. The south has pushed this bullshit and the northern elites don’t say shit about it lest the get sideways glances at the congressional country club.
It’s pathetic.
|
[
"Gov. Ron DeSantis appointed a group of hard-line conservative loyalists Friday into leadership positions at the New College of Florida, a move that comes as the Republican governor plots a remake of the state’s higher education system. \nSeveral of the appointees are vocal opponents of gender- and race-related education issues that have fueled the right’s culture wars in schools. They were picked as DeSantis, who is eyeing a potential 2024 White House run, vows to fight “philosophical lunacy” in the schools. \nOf the six appointed by DeSantis, the marquee names are Christopher Rufo, a conservative activist who helped turn critical race theory into a conservative rallying cry, and Matthew Spalding, a government professor at Hillsdale College, a conservative Christian college in Michigan. \nHillsdale’s digital digest, Imprimis, features the writing of conservative thinkers like Rufo, who has worked with DeSantis to combat issues like critical race theory and gender identity. The publication also includes articles with titles, like “The January 6 Insurrection Hoax,” “The Disaster at Our Southern Border,” “Gender Ideology Run Amok,” “Critical Race Theory: What it is and How to Fight it,” and “Who is in Control? The need to Rein in Big Tech.”\n\n\nApparently, Ron Desatan wants to make Florida into one giant Prager U—a white nationalist, creationist, dogma center that creates mindless drones.\n\nAt this point, if Ron Desantis gets his way and creates these universities, they should be seen as paper degrees, not even worth the paper they're printed on. What an absolute insult to freedom of thought, truth, and knowledge. Ron Desantis is a demagogue of the highest order.",
">\n\nHe's like Trump on steroids.",
">\n\nDesantis is also like Mike Pence on steroids. He'd send all LGBTQIA+ people to conversion therapy and subject them to Alan Turing style torture if he knew he could get away with it.",
">\n\nDolores Umbridge enters chat",
">\n\nAt this point, I'm think Dolores Umbridge might have been the author's self-insert character",
">\n\nIt feels like Texas and Florida are in a competition to see who can destroy their state faster. They are actively encouraging the brain drain of the smartest, well-trained people. Maybe they are trying to make Mississippi feel better about itself?",
">\n\nWeird how California is about to be wildly in debt and Texas and Florida.....are not.",
">\n\nAny day now. The world's fifth largest GDP is going to go onto dept. Any day now.... probably about the time Regannomics starts trickling down.\n/s",
">\n\nFor those not familiar with New College, this is particularly dangerous at a school like this. New College has a unique academic environment that encourages independent thought, inquiry and exploration. Wikipedia can explain more of the details, but it's essentially a college version of a montessori school.",
">\n\nAs a New College graduate I can say it's more liberal than any Montessori school. It's a rigorous honor school with very small class sizes, that is ridiculously easy to flunk out in, even for smart kids. You'd see people dropping out like flies. Has a history of allowing/nurturing strikingly non-conventional elements, as long as the students could master the work. It could resemble a molotov cocktail against traditional colleges. There's no fraternities, sororities, no worship of collegial sports. Most of the trustees DeSantis is inserting would flunk out or never go there.",
">\n\nMost of the trustees Desantis named would flunk out of any school, to be honest.",
">\n\nExactly.",
">\n\nI was just thinking to myself the other day, \n“I can’t wait to spend my money sending my intelligent daughter to a red state college where a frat bro has more rights raping her, than she has rights over her own body.”\n“Plus I definitely want her lectured daily on books approved by the kookiest moms for Liberty school boards and constantly harassed to be super duper christian to the point where they groom and groom groom her into stupidity believing magic sky daddy has more power over her future than she does.”\nSeriously, who is signing up for this?",
">\n\nthis is part of the idea, they want to destroy education for people who are not on their side",
">\n\nThere is no actual separation of church and state in America. When’s the last fucking time a Republican got in trouble legislating their bastardized view of Christianity?",
">\n\nIt never seems to happen. They never seem to be condemned for trying to enforce Christianity, because they'll accuse you of hating Christianity if you say it. States still don't allow atheists to run for office today, which no one bats an eye about for some reason. You won't hear mainstream media talk about the war on atheists, but they'll go off every year about the war on Christmas. Just ludicrous, all the way."
] |
>
This isn't conservatism, this is the Christian Taliban imposing its Christofascism..
|
[
"Gov. Ron DeSantis appointed a group of hard-line conservative loyalists Friday into leadership positions at the New College of Florida, a move that comes as the Republican governor plots a remake of the state’s higher education system. \nSeveral of the appointees are vocal opponents of gender- and race-related education issues that have fueled the right’s culture wars in schools. They were picked as DeSantis, who is eyeing a potential 2024 White House run, vows to fight “philosophical lunacy” in the schools. \nOf the six appointed by DeSantis, the marquee names are Christopher Rufo, a conservative activist who helped turn critical race theory into a conservative rallying cry, and Matthew Spalding, a government professor at Hillsdale College, a conservative Christian college in Michigan. \nHillsdale’s digital digest, Imprimis, features the writing of conservative thinkers like Rufo, who has worked with DeSantis to combat issues like critical race theory and gender identity. The publication also includes articles with titles, like “The January 6 Insurrection Hoax,” “The Disaster at Our Southern Border,” “Gender Ideology Run Amok,” “Critical Race Theory: What it is and How to Fight it,” and “Who is in Control? The need to Rein in Big Tech.”\n\n\nApparently, Ron Desatan wants to make Florida into one giant Prager U—a white nationalist, creationist, dogma center that creates mindless drones.\n\nAt this point, if Ron Desantis gets his way and creates these universities, they should be seen as paper degrees, not even worth the paper they're printed on. What an absolute insult to freedom of thought, truth, and knowledge. Ron Desantis is a demagogue of the highest order.",
">\n\nHe's like Trump on steroids.",
">\n\nDesantis is also like Mike Pence on steroids. He'd send all LGBTQIA+ people to conversion therapy and subject them to Alan Turing style torture if he knew he could get away with it.",
">\n\nDolores Umbridge enters chat",
">\n\nAt this point, I'm think Dolores Umbridge might have been the author's self-insert character",
">\n\nIt feels like Texas and Florida are in a competition to see who can destroy their state faster. They are actively encouraging the brain drain of the smartest, well-trained people. Maybe they are trying to make Mississippi feel better about itself?",
">\n\nWeird how California is about to be wildly in debt and Texas and Florida.....are not.",
">\n\nAny day now. The world's fifth largest GDP is going to go onto dept. Any day now.... probably about the time Regannomics starts trickling down.\n/s",
">\n\nFor those not familiar with New College, this is particularly dangerous at a school like this. New College has a unique academic environment that encourages independent thought, inquiry and exploration. Wikipedia can explain more of the details, but it's essentially a college version of a montessori school.",
">\n\nAs a New College graduate I can say it's more liberal than any Montessori school. It's a rigorous honor school with very small class sizes, that is ridiculously easy to flunk out in, even for smart kids. You'd see people dropping out like flies. Has a history of allowing/nurturing strikingly non-conventional elements, as long as the students could master the work. It could resemble a molotov cocktail against traditional colleges. There's no fraternities, sororities, no worship of collegial sports. Most of the trustees DeSantis is inserting would flunk out or never go there.",
">\n\nMost of the trustees Desantis named would flunk out of any school, to be honest.",
">\n\nExactly.",
">\n\nI was just thinking to myself the other day, \n“I can’t wait to spend my money sending my intelligent daughter to a red state college where a frat bro has more rights raping her, than she has rights over her own body.”\n“Plus I definitely want her lectured daily on books approved by the kookiest moms for Liberty school boards and constantly harassed to be super duper christian to the point where they groom and groom groom her into stupidity believing magic sky daddy has more power over her future than she does.”\nSeriously, who is signing up for this?",
">\n\nthis is part of the idea, they want to destroy education for people who are not on their side",
">\n\nThere is no actual separation of church and state in America. When’s the last fucking time a Republican got in trouble legislating their bastardized view of Christianity?",
">\n\nIt never seems to happen. They never seem to be condemned for trying to enforce Christianity, because they'll accuse you of hating Christianity if you say it. States still don't allow atheists to run for office today, which no one bats an eye about for some reason. You won't hear mainstream media talk about the war on atheists, but they'll go off every year about the war on Christmas. Just ludicrous, all the way.",
">\n\nAbsolutely. The south has pushed this bullshit and the northern elites don’t say shit about it lest the get sideways glances at the congressional country club. \nIt’s pathetic."
] |
>
Yep. They are the Y'all Qaeda.
|
[
"Gov. Ron DeSantis appointed a group of hard-line conservative loyalists Friday into leadership positions at the New College of Florida, a move that comes as the Republican governor plots a remake of the state’s higher education system. \nSeveral of the appointees are vocal opponents of gender- and race-related education issues that have fueled the right’s culture wars in schools. They were picked as DeSantis, who is eyeing a potential 2024 White House run, vows to fight “philosophical lunacy” in the schools. \nOf the six appointed by DeSantis, the marquee names are Christopher Rufo, a conservative activist who helped turn critical race theory into a conservative rallying cry, and Matthew Spalding, a government professor at Hillsdale College, a conservative Christian college in Michigan. \nHillsdale’s digital digest, Imprimis, features the writing of conservative thinkers like Rufo, who has worked with DeSantis to combat issues like critical race theory and gender identity. The publication also includes articles with titles, like “The January 6 Insurrection Hoax,” “The Disaster at Our Southern Border,” “Gender Ideology Run Amok,” “Critical Race Theory: What it is and How to Fight it,” and “Who is in Control? The need to Rein in Big Tech.”\n\n\nApparently, Ron Desatan wants to make Florida into one giant Prager U—a white nationalist, creationist, dogma center that creates mindless drones.\n\nAt this point, if Ron Desantis gets his way and creates these universities, they should be seen as paper degrees, not even worth the paper they're printed on. What an absolute insult to freedom of thought, truth, and knowledge. Ron Desantis is a demagogue of the highest order.",
">\n\nHe's like Trump on steroids.",
">\n\nDesantis is also like Mike Pence on steroids. He'd send all LGBTQIA+ people to conversion therapy and subject them to Alan Turing style torture if he knew he could get away with it.",
">\n\nDolores Umbridge enters chat",
">\n\nAt this point, I'm think Dolores Umbridge might have been the author's self-insert character",
">\n\nIt feels like Texas and Florida are in a competition to see who can destroy their state faster. They are actively encouraging the brain drain of the smartest, well-trained people. Maybe they are trying to make Mississippi feel better about itself?",
">\n\nWeird how California is about to be wildly in debt and Texas and Florida.....are not.",
">\n\nAny day now. The world's fifth largest GDP is going to go onto dept. Any day now.... probably about the time Regannomics starts trickling down.\n/s",
">\n\nFor those not familiar with New College, this is particularly dangerous at a school like this. New College has a unique academic environment that encourages independent thought, inquiry and exploration. Wikipedia can explain more of the details, but it's essentially a college version of a montessori school.",
">\n\nAs a New College graduate I can say it's more liberal than any Montessori school. It's a rigorous honor school with very small class sizes, that is ridiculously easy to flunk out in, even for smart kids. You'd see people dropping out like flies. Has a history of allowing/nurturing strikingly non-conventional elements, as long as the students could master the work. It could resemble a molotov cocktail against traditional colleges. There's no fraternities, sororities, no worship of collegial sports. Most of the trustees DeSantis is inserting would flunk out or never go there.",
">\n\nMost of the trustees Desantis named would flunk out of any school, to be honest.",
">\n\nExactly.",
">\n\nI was just thinking to myself the other day, \n“I can’t wait to spend my money sending my intelligent daughter to a red state college where a frat bro has more rights raping her, than she has rights over her own body.”\n“Plus I definitely want her lectured daily on books approved by the kookiest moms for Liberty school boards and constantly harassed to be super duper christian to the point where they groom and groom groom her into stupidity believing magic sky daddy has more power over her future than she does.”\nSeriously, who is signing up for this?",
">\n\nthis is part of the idea, they want to destroy education for people who are not on their side",
">\n\nThere is no actual separation of church and state in America. When’s the last fucking time a Republican got in trouble legislating their bastardized view of Christianity?",
">\n\nIt never seems to happen. They never seem to be condemned for trying to enforce Christianity, because they'll accuse you of hating Christianity if you say it. States still don't allow atheists to run for office today, which no one bats an eye about for some reason. You won't hear mainstream media talk about the war on atheists, but they'll go off every year about the war on Christmas. Just ludicrous, all the way.",
">\n\nAbsolutely. The south has pushed this bullshit and the northern elites don’t say shit about it lest the get sideways glances at the congressional country club. \nIt’s pathetic.",
">\n\nThis isn't conservatism, this is the Christian Taliban imposing its Christofascism.."
] |
>
This asshole thinks the whole state should be remade to his preference.
You were elected Governor, not King.
|
[
"Gov. Ron DeSantis appointed a group of hard-line conservative loyalists Friday into leadership positions at the New College of Florida, a move that comes as the Republican governor plots a remake of the state’s higher education system. \nSeveral of the appointees are vocal opponents of gender- and race-related education issues that have fueled the right’s culture wars in schools. They were picked as DeSantis, who is eyeing a potential 2024 White House run, vows to fight “philosophical lunacy” in the schools. \nOf the six appointed by DeSantis, the marquee names are Christopher Rufo, a conservative activist who helped turn critical race theory into a conservative rallying cry, and Matthew Spalding, a government professor at Hillsdale College, a conservative Christian college in Michigan. \nHillsdale’s digital digest, Imprimis, features the writing of conservative thinkers like Rufo, who has worked with DeSantis to combat issues like critical race theory and gender identity. The publication also includes articles with titles, like “The January 6 Insurrection Hoax,” “The Disaster at Our Southern Border,” “Gender Ideology Run Amok,” “Critical Race Theory: What it is and How to Fight it,” and “Who is in Control? The need to Rein in Big Tech.”\n\n\nApparently, Ron Desatan wants to make Florida into one giant Prager U—a white nationalist, creationist, dogma center that creates mindless drones.\n\nAt this point, if Ron Desantis gets his way and creates these universities, they should be seen as paper degrees, not even worth the paper they're printed on. What an absolute insult to freedom of thought, truth, and knowledge. Ron Desantis is a demagogue of the highest order.",
">\n\nHe's like Trump on steroids.",
">\n\nDesantis is also like Mike Pence on steroids. He'd send all LGBTQIA+ people to conversion therapy and subject them to Alan Turing style torture if he knew he could get away with it.",
">\n\nDolores Umbridge enters chat",
">\n\nAt this point, I'm think Dolores Umbridge might have been the author's self-insert character",
">\n\nIt feels like Texas and Florida are in a competition to see who can destroy their state faster. They are actively encouraging the brain drain of the smartest, well-trained people. Maybe they are trying to make Mississippi feel better about itself?",
">\n\nWeird how California is about to be wildly in debt and Texas and Florida.....are not.",
">\n\nAny day now. The world's fifth largest GDP is going to go onto dept. Any day now.... probably about the time Regannomics starts trickling down.\n/s",
">\n\nFor those not familiar with New College, this is particularly dangerous at a school like this. New College has a unique academic environment that encourages independent thought, inquiry and exploration. Wikipedia can explain more of the details, but it's essentially a college version of a montessori school.",
">\n\nAs a New College graduate I can say it's more liberal than any Montessori school. It's a rigorous honor school with very small class sizes, that is ridiculously easy to flunk out in, even for smart kids. You'd see people dropping out like flies. Has a history of allowing/nurturing strikingly non-conventional elements, as long as the students could master the work. It could resemble a molotov cocktail against traditional colleges. There's no fraternities, sororities, no worship of collegial sports. Most of the trustees DeSantis is inserting would flunk out or never go there.",
">\n\nMost of the trustees Desantis named would flunk out of any school, to be honest.",
">\n\nExactly.",
">\n\nI was just thinking to myself the other day, \n“I can’t wait to spend my money sending my intelligent daughter to a red state college where a frat bro has more rights raping her, than she has rights over her own body.”\n“Plus I definitely want her lectured daily on books approved by the kookiest moms for Liberty school boards and constantly harassed to be super duper christian to the point where they groom and groom groom her into stupidity believing magic sky daddy has more power over her future than she does.”\nSeriously, who is signing up for this?",
">\n\nthis is part of the idea, they want to destroy education for people who are not on their side",
">\n\nThere is no actual separation of church and state in America. When’s the last fucking time a Republican got in trouble legislating their bastardized view of Christianity?",
">\n\nIt never seems to happen. They never seem to be condemned for trying to enforce Christianity, because they'll accuse you of hating Christianity if you say it. States still don't allow atheists to run for office today, which no one bats an eye about for some reason. You won't hear mainstream media talk about the war on atheists, but they'll go off every year about the war on Christmas. Just ludicrous, all the way.",
">\n\nAbsolutely. The south has pushed this bullshit and the northern elites don’t say shit about it lest the get sideways glances at the congressional country club. \nIt’s pathetic.",
">\n\nThis isn't conservatism, this is the Christian Taliban imposing its Christofascism..",
">\n\nYep. They are the Y'all Qaeda."
] |
>
Combined with DeSantis’ attack on elementary schools, this attempt to control college education would assure that Florida doesn’t have people well-enough educated to supply businesses with the quality of employees they need.
Decent parents, intelligent young adults, and businesses will be leaving Florida as fast as possible. The state will be left with mainly old people and stupid people, in other words, Republicans.
|
[
"Gov. Ron DeSantis appointed a group of hard-line conservative loyalists Friday into leadership positions at the New College of Florida, a move that comes as the Republican governor plots a remake of the state’s higher education system. \nSeveral of the appointees are vocal opponents of gender- and race-related education issues that have fueled the right’s culture wars in schools. They were picked as DeSantis, who is eyeing a potential 2024 White House run, vows to fight “philosophical lunacy” in the schools. \nOf the six appointed by DeSantis, the marquee names are Christopher Rufo, a conservative activist who helped turn critical race theory into a conservative rallying cry, and Matthew Spalding, a government professor at Hillsdale College, a conservative Christian college in Michigan. \nHillsdale’s digital digest, Imprimis, features the writing of conservative thinkers like Rufo, who has worked with DeSantis to combat issues like critical race theory and gender identity. The publication also includes articles with titles, like “The January 6 Insurrection Hoax,” “The Disaster at Our Southern Border,” “Gender Ideology Run Amok,” “Critical Race Theory: What it is and How to Fight it,” and “Who is in Control? The need to Rein in Big Tech.”\n\n\nApparently, Ron Desatan wants to make Florida into one giant Prager U—a white nationalist, creationist, dogma center that creates mindless drones.\n\nAt this point, if Ron Desantis gets his way and creates these universities, they should be seen as paper degrees, not even worth the paper they're printed on. What an absolute insult to freedom of thought, truth, and knowledge. Ron Desantis is a demagogue of the highest order.",
">\n\nHe's like Trump on steroids.",
">\n\nDesantis is also like Mike Pence on steroids. He'd send all LGBTQIA+ people to conversion therapy and subject them to Alan Turing style torture if he knew he could get away with it.",
">\n\nDolores Umbridge enters chat",
">\n\nAt this point, I'm think Dolores Umbridge might have been the author's self-insert character",
">\n\nIt feels like Texas and Florida are in a competition to see who can destroy their state faster. They are actively encouraging the brain drain of the smartest, well-trained people. Maybe they are trying to make Mississippi feel better about itself?",
">\n\nWeird how California is about to be wildly in debt and Texas and Florida.....are not.",
">\n\nAny day now. The world's fifth largest GDP is going to go onto dept. Any day now.... probably about the time Regannomics starts trickling down.\n/s",
">\n\nFor those not familiar with New College, this is particularly dangerous at a school like this. New College has a unique academic environment that encourages independent thought, inquiry and exploration. Wikipedia can explain more of the details, but it's essentially a college version of a montessori school.",
">\n\nAs a New College graduate I can say it's more liberal than any Montessori school. It's a rigorous honor school with very small class sizes, that is ridiculously easy to flunk out in, even for smart kids. You'd see people dropping out like flies. Has a history of allowing/nurturing strikingly non-conventional elements, as long as the students could master the work. It could resemble a molotov cocktail against traditional colleges. There's no fraternities, sororities, no worship of collegial sports. Most of the trustees DeSantis is inserting would flunk out or never go there.",
">\n\nMost of the trustees Desantis named would flunk out of any school, to be honest.",
">\n\nExactly.",
">\n\nI was just thinking to myself the other day, \n“I can’t wait to spend my money sending my intelligent daughter to a red state college where a frat bro has more rights raping her, than she has rights over her own body.”\n“Plus I definitely want her lectured daily on books approved by the kookiest moms for Liberty school boards and constantly harassed to be super duper christian to the point where they groom and groom groom her into stupidity believing magic sky daddy has more power over her future than she does.”\nSeriously, who is signing up for this?",
">\n\nthis is part of the idea, they want to destroy education for people who are not on their side",
">\n\nThere is no actual separation of church and state in America. When’s the last fucking time a Republican got in trouble legislating their bastardized view of Christianity?",
">\n\nIt never seems to happen. They never seem to be condemned for trying to enforce Christianity, because they'll accuse you of hating Christianity if you say it. States still don't allow atheists to run for office today, which no one bats an eye about for some reason. You won't hear mainstream media talk about the war on atheists, but they'll go off every year about the war on Christmas. Just ludicrous, all the way.",
">\n\nAbsolutely. The south has pushed this bullshit and the northern elites don’t say shit about it lest the get sideways glances at the congressional country club. \nIt’s pathetic.",
">\n\nThis isn't conservatism, this is the Christian Taliban imposing its Christofascism..",
">\n\nYep. They are the Y'all Qaeda.",
">\n\nThis asshole thinks the whole state should be remade to his preference.\nYou were elected Governor, not King."
] |
>
I was born in Florida and lived there all my life. I left last year. If I ever have children, I've decided I don't want to raise them in the hellhole that state has become.
|
[
"Gov. Ron DeSantis appointed a group of hard-line conservative loyalists Friday into leadership positions at the New College of Florida, a move that comes as the Republican governor plots a remake of the state’s higher education system. \nSeveral of the appointees are vocal opponents of gender- and race-related education issues that have fueled the right’s culture wars in schools. They were picked as DeSantis, who is eyeing a potential 2024 White House run, vows to fight “philosophical lunacy” in the schools. \nOf the six appointed by DeSantis, the marquee names are Christopher Rufo, a conservative activist who helped turn critical race theory into a conservative rallying cry, and Matthew Spalding, a government professor at Hillsdale College, a conservative Christian college in Michigan. \nHillsdale’s digital digest, Imprimis, features the writing of conservative thinkers like Rufo, who has worked with DeSantis to combat issues like critical race theory and gender identity. The publication also includes articles with titles, like “The January 6 Insurrection Hoax,” “The Disaster at Our Southern Border,” “Gender Ideology Run Amok,” “Critical Race Theory: What it is and How to Fight it,” and “Who is in Control? The need to Rein in Big Tech.”\n\n\nApparently, Ron Desatan wants to make Florida into one giant Prager U—a white nationalist, creationist, dogma center that creates mindless drones.\n\nAt this point, if Ron Desantis gets his way and creates these universities, they should be seen as paper degrees, not even worth the paper they're printed on. What an absolute insult to freedom of thought, truth, and knowledge. Ron Desantis is a demagogue of the highest order.",
">\n\nHe's like Trump on steroids.",
">\n\nDesantis is also like Mike Pence on steroids. He'd send all LGBTQIA+ people to conversion therapy and subject them to Alan Turing style torture if he knew he could get away with it.",
">\n\nDolores Umbridge enters chat",
">\n\nAt this point, I'm think Dolores Umbridge might have been the author's self-insert character",
">\n\nIt feels like Texas and Florida are in a competition to see who can destroy their state faster. They are actively encouraging the brain drain of the smartest, well-trained people. Maybe they are trying to make Mississippi feel better about itself?",
">\n\nWeird how California is about to be wildly in debt and Texas and Florida.....are not.",
">\n\nAny day now. The world's fifth largest GDP is going to go onto dept. Any day now.... probably about the time Regannomics starts trickling down.\n/s",
">\n\nFor those not familiar with New College, this is particularly dangerous at a school like this. New College has a unique academic environment that encourages independent thought, inquiry and exploration. Wikipedia can explain more of the details, but it's essentially a college version of a montessori school.",
">\n\nAs a New College graduate I can say it's more liberal than any Montessori school. It's a rigorous honor school with very small class sizes, that is ridiculously easy to flunk out in, even for smart kids. You'd see people dropping out like flies. Has a history of allowing/nurturing strikingly non-conventional elements, as long as the students could master the work. It could resemble a molotov cocktail against traditional colleges. There's no fraternities, sororities, no worship of collegial sports. Most of the trustees DeSantis is inserting would flunk out or never go there.",
">\n\nMost of the trustees Desantis named would flunk out of any school, to be honest.",
">\n\nExactly.",
">\n\nI was just thinking to myself the other day, \n“I can’t wait to spend my money sending my intelligent daughter to a red state college where a frat bro has more rights raping her, than she has rights over her own body.”\n“Plus I definitely want her lectured daily on books approved by the kookiest moms for Liberty school boards and constantly harassed to be super duper christian to the point where they groom and groom groom her into stupidity believing magic sky daddy has more power over her future than she does.”\nSeriously, who is signing up for this?",
">\n\nthis is part of the idea, they want to destroy education for people who are not on their side",
">\n\nThere is no actual separation of church and state in America. When’s the last fucking time a Republican got in trouble legislating their bastardized view of Christianity?",
">\n\nIt never seems to happen. They never seem to be condemned for trying to enforce Christianity, because they'll accuse you of hating Christianity if you say it. States still don't allow atheists to run for office today, which no one bats an eye about for some reason. You won't hear mainstream media talk about the war on atheists, but they'll go off every year about the war on Christmas. Just ludicrous, all the way.",
">\n\nAbsolutely. The south has pushed this bullshit and the northern elites don’t say shit about it lest the get sideways glances at the congressional country club. \nIt’s pathetic.",
">\n\nThis isn't conservatism, this is the Christian Taliban imposing its Christofascism..",
">\n\nYep. They are the Y'all Qaeda.",
">\n\nThis asshole thinks the whole state should be remade to his preference.\nYou were elected Governor, not King.",
">\n\nCombined with DeSantis’ attack on elementary schools, this attempt to control college education would assure that Florida doesn’t have people well-enough educated to supply businesses with the quality of employees they need. \nDecent parents, intelligent young adults, and businesses will be leaving Florida as fast as possible. The state will be left with mainly old people and stupid people, in other words, Republicans."
] |
>
Our best friends, a Latino couple, bought a condo there 20 years ago for retirement. They just sold it when DeSantis won reelection. They said they wouldn’t be comfortable there when their gay friends and their trans niece came to visit. She said, ‘I wonder if any of you would even come to visit.’
|
[
"Gov. Ron DeSantis appointed a group of hard-line conservative loyalists Friday into leadership positions at the New College of Florida, a move that comes as the Republican governor plots a remake of the state’s higher education system. \nSeveral of the appointees are vocal opponents of gender- and race-related education issues that have fueled the right’s culture wars in schools. They were picked as DeSantis, who is eyeing a potential 2024 White House run, vows to fight “philosophical lunacy” in the schools. \nOf the six appointed by DeSantis, the marquee names are Christopher Rufo, a conservative activist who helped turn critical race theory into a conservative rallying cry, and Matthew Spalding, a government professor at Hillsdale College, a conservative Christian college in Michigan. \nHillsdale’s digital digest, Imprimis, features the writing of conservative thinkers like Rufo, who has worked with DeSantis to combat issues like critical race theory and gender identity. The publication also includes articles with titles, like “The January 6 Insurrection Hoax,” “The Disaster at Our Southern Border,” “Gender Ideology Run Amok,” “Critical Race Theory: What it is and How to Fight it,” and “Who is in Control? The need to Rein in Big Tech.”\n\n\nApparently, Ron Desatan wants to make Florida into one giant Prager U—a white nationalist, creationist, dogma center that creates mindless drones.\n\nAt this point, if Ron Desantis gets his way and creates these universities, they should be seen as paper degrees, not even worth the paper they're printed on. What an absolute insult to freedom of thought, truth, and knowledge. Ron Desantis is a demagogue of the highest order.",
">\n\nHe's like Trump on steroids.",
">\n\nDesantis is also like Mike Pence on steroids. He'd send all LGBTQIA+ people to conversion therapy and subject them to Alan Turing style torture if he knew he could get away with it.",
">\n\nDolores Umbridge enters chat",
">\n\nAt this point, I'm think Dolores Umbridge might have been the author's self-insert character",
">\n\nIt feels like Texas and Florida are in a competition to see who can destroy their state faster. They are actively encouraging the brain drain of the smartest, well-trained people. Maybe they are trying to make Mississippi feel better about itself?",
">\n\nWeird how California is about to be wildly in debt and Texas and Florida.....are not.",
">\n\nAny day now. The world's fifth largest GDP is going to go onto dept. Any day now.... probably about the time Regannomics starts trickling down.\n/s",
">\n\nFor those not familiar with New College, this is particularly dangerous at a school like this. New College has a unique academic environment that encourages independent thought, inquiry and exploration. Wikipedia can explain more of the details, but it's essentially a college version of a montessori school.",
">\n\nAs a New College graduate I can say it's more liberal than any Montessori school. It's a rigorous honor school with very small class sizes, that is ridiculously easy to flunk out in, even for smart kids. You'd see people dropping out like flies. Has a history of allowing/nurturing strikingly non-conventional elements, as long as the students could master the work. It could resemble a molotov cocktail against traditional colleges. There's no fraternities, sororities, no worship of collegial sports. Most of the trustees DeSantis is inserting would flunk out or never go there.",
">\n\nMost of the trustees Desantis named would flunk out of any school, to be honest.",
">\n\nExactly.",
">\n\nI was just thinking to myself the other day, \n“I can’t wait to spend my money sending my intelligent daughter to a red state college where a frat bro has more rights raping her, than she has rights over her own body.”\n“Plus I definitely want her lectured daily on books approved by the kookiest moms for Liberty school boards and constantly harassed to be super duper christian to the point where they groom and groom groom her into stupidity believing magic sky daddy has more power over her future than she does.”\nSeriously, who is signing up for this?",
">\n\nthis is part of the idea, they want to destroy education for people who are not on their side",
">\n\nThere is no actual separation of church and state in America. When’s the last fucking time a Republican got in trouble legislating their bastardized view of Christianity?",
">\n\nIt never seems to happen. They never seem to be condemned for trying to enforce Christianity, because they'll accuse you of hating Christianity if you say it. States still don't allow atheists to run for office today, which no one bats an eye about for some reason. You won't hear mainstream media talk about the war on atheists, but they'll go off every year about the war on Christmas. Just ludicrous, all the way.",
">\n\nAbsolutely. The south has pushed this bullshit and the northern elites don’t say shit about it lest the get sideways glances at the congressional country club. \nIt’s pathetic.",
">\n\nThis isn't conservatism, this is the Christian Taliban imposing its Christofascism..",
">\n\nYep. They are the Y'all Qaeda.",
">\n\nThis asshole thinks the whole state should be remade to his preference.\nYou were elected Governor, not King.",
">\n\nCombined with DeSantis’ attack on elementary schools, this attempt to control college education would assure that Florida doesn’t have people well-enough educated to supply businesses with the quality of employees they need. \nDecent parents, intelligent young adults, and businesses will be leaving Florida as fast as possible. The state will be left with mainly old people and stupid people, in other words, Republicans.",
">\n\nI was born in Florida and lived there all my life. I left last year. If I ever have children, I've decided I don't want to raise them in the hellhole that state has become."
] |
>
I'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest that this will entirely destroy this particular institution of learning. The students and faculty should be outraged and make every effort to sabotage this hostile takeover.
|
[
"Gov. Ron DeSantis appointed a group of hard-line conservative loyalists Friday into leadership positions at the New College of Florida, a move that comes as the Republican governor plots a remake of the state’s higher education system. \nSeveral of the appointees are vocal opponents of gender- and race-related education issues that have fueled the right’s culture wars in schools. They were picked as DeSantis, who is eyeing a potential 2024 White House run, vows to fight “philosophical lunacy” in the schools. \nOf the six appointed by DeSantis, the marquee names are Christopher Rufo, a conservative activist who helped turn critical race theory into a conservative rallying cry, and Matthew Spalding, a government professor at Hillsdale College, a conservative Christian college in Michigan. \nHillsdale’s digital digest, Imprimis, features the writing of conservative thinkers like Rufo, who has worked with DeSantis to combat issues like critical race theory and gender identity. The publication also includes articles with titles, like “The January 6 Insurrection Hoax,” “The Disaster at Our Southern Border,” “Gender Ideology Run Amok,” “Critical Race Theory: What it is and How to Fight it,” and “Who is in Control? The need to Rein in Big Tech.”\n\n\nApparently, Ron Desatan wants to make Florida into one giant Prager U—a white nationalist, creationist, dogma center that creates mindless drones.\n\nAt this point, if Ron Desantis gets his way and creates these universities, they should be seen as paper degrees, not even worth the paper they're printed on. What an absolute insult to freedom of thought, truth, and knowledge. Ron Desantis is a demagogue of the highest order.",
">\n\nHe's like Trump on steroids.",
">\n\nDesantis is also like Mike Pence on steroids. He'd send all LGBTQIA+ people to conversion therapy and subject them to Alan Turing style torture if he knew he could get away with it.",
">\n\nDolores Umbridge enters chat",
">\n\nAt this point, I'm think Dolores Umbridge might have been the author's self-insert character",
">\n\nIt feels like Texas and Florida are in a competition to see who can destroy their state faster. They are actively encouraging the brain drain of the smartest, well-trained people. Maybe they are trying to make Mississippi feel better about itself?",
">\n\nWeird how California is about to be wildly in debt and Texas and Florida.....are not.",
">\n\nAny day now. The world's fifth largest GDP is going to go onto dept. Any day now.... probably about the time Regannomics starts trickling down.\n/s",
">\n\nFor those not familiar with New College, this is particularly dangerous at a school like this. New College has a unique academic environment that encourages independent thought, inquiry and exploration. Wikipedia can explain more of the details, but it's essentially a college version of a montessori school.",
">\n\nAs a New College graduate I can say it's more liberal than any Montessori school. It's a rigorous honor school with very small class sizes, that is ridiculously easy to flunk out in, even for smart kids. You'd see people dropping out like flies. Has a history of allowing/nurturing strikingly non-conventional elements, as long as the students could master the work. It could resemble a molotov cocktail against traditional colleges. There's no fraternities, sororities, no worship of collegial sports. Most of the trustees DeSantis is inserting would flunk out or never go there.",
">\n\nMost of the trustees Desantis named would flunk out of any school, to be honest.",
">\n\nExactly.",
">\n\nI was just thinking to myself the other day, \n“I can’t wait to spend my money sending my intelligent daughter to a red state college where a frat bro has more rights raping her, than she has rights over her own body.”\n“Plus I definitely want her lectured daily on books approved by the kookiest moms for Liberty school boards and constantly harassed to be super duper christian to the point where they groom and groom groom her into stupidity believing magic sky daddy has more power over her future than she does.”\nSeriously, who is signing up for this?",
">\n\nthis is part of the idea, they want to destroy education for people who are not on their side",
">\n\nThere is no actual separation of church and state in America. When’s the last fucking time a Republican got in trouble legislating their bastardized view of Christianity?",
">\n\nIt never seems to happen. They never seem to be condemned for trying to enforce Christianity, because they'll accuse you of hating Christianity if you say it. States still don't allow atheists to run for office today, which no one bats an eye about for some reason. You won't hear mainstream media talk about the war on atheists, but they'll go off every year about the war on Christmas. Just ludicrous, all the way.",
">\n\nAbsolutely. The south has pushed this bullshit and the northern elites don’t say shit about it lest the get sideways glances at the congressional country club. \nIt’s pathetic.",
">\n\nThis isn't conservatism, this is the Christian Taliban imposing its Christofascism..",
">\n\nYep. They are the Y'all Qaeda.",
">\n\nThis asshole thinks the whole state should be remade to his preference.\nYou were elected Governor, not King.",
">\n\nCombined with DeSantis’ attack on elementary schools, this attempt to control college education would assure that Florida doesn’t have people well-enough educated to supply businesses with the quality of employees they need. \nDecent parents, intelligent young adults, and businesses will be leaving Florida as fast as possible. The state will be left with mainly old people and stupid people, in other words, Republicans.",
">\n\nI was born in Florida and lived there all my life. I left last year. If I ever have children, I've decided I don't want to raise them in the hellhole that state has become.",
">\n\nOur best friends, a Latino couple, bought a condo there 20 years ago for retirement. They just sold it when DeSantis won reelection. They said they wouldn’t be comfortable there when their gay friends and their trans niece came to visit. She said, ‘I wonder if any of you would even come to visit.’"
] |
>
What can they do? They have no rights. They can't even just go to another school because they will be replaced with new students and professors that agree with DeSantis.
|
[
"Gov. Ron DeSantis appointed a group of hard-line conservative loyalists Friday into leadership positions at the New College of Florida, a move that comes as the Republican governor plots a remake of the state’s higher education system. \nSeveral of the appointees are vocal opponents of gender- and race-related education issues that have fueled the right’s culture wars in schools. They were picked as DeSantis, who is eyeing a potential 2024 White House run, vows to fight “philosophical lunacy” in the schools. \nOf the six appointed by DeSantis, the marquee names are Christopher Rufo, a conservative activist who helped turn critical race theory into a conservative rallying cry, and Matthew Spalding, a government professor at Hillsdale College, a conservative Christian college in Michigan. \nHillsdale’s digital digest, Imprimis, features the writing of conservative thinkers like Rufo, who has worked with DeSantis to combat issues like critical race theory and gender identity. The publication also includes articles with titles, like “The January 6 Insurrection Hoax,” “The Disaster at Our Southern Border,” “Gender Ideology Run Amok,” “Critical Race Theory: What it is and How to Fight it,” and “Who is in Control? The need to Rein in Big Tech.”\n\n\nApparently, Ron Desatan wants to make Florida into one giant Prager U—a white nationalist, creationist, dogma center that creates mindless drones.\n\nAt this point, if Ron Desantis gets his way and creates these universities, they should be seen as paper degrees, not even worth the paper they're printed on. What an absolute insult to freedom of thought, truth, and knowledge. Ron Desantis is a demagogue of the highest order.",
">\n\nHe's like Trump on steroids.",
">\n\nDesantis is also like Mike Pence on steroids. He'd send all LGBTQIA+ people to conversion therapy and subject them to Alan Turing style torture if he knew he could get away with it.",
">\n\nDolores Umbridge enters chat",
">\n\nAt this point, I'm think Dolores Umbridge might have been the author's self-insert character",
">\n\nIt feels like Texas and Florida are in a competition to see who can destroy their state faster. They are actively encouraging the brain drain of the smartest, well-trained people. Maybe they are trying to make Mississippi feel better about itself?",
">\n\nWeird how California is about to be wildly in debt and Texas and Florida.....are not.",
">\n\nAny day now. The world's fifth largest GDP is going to go onto dept. Any day now.... probably about the time Regannomics starts trickling down.\n/s",
">\n\nFor those not familiar with New College, this is particularly dangerous at a school like this. New College has a unique academic environment that encourages independent thought, inquiry and exploration. Wikipedia can explain more of the details, but it's essentially a college version of a montessori school.",
">\n\nAs a New College graduate I can say it's more liberal than any Montessori school. It's a rigorous honor school with very small class sizes, that is ridiculously easy to flunk out in, even for smart kids. You'd see people dropping out like flies. Has a history of allowing/nurturing strikingly non-conventional elements, as long as the students could master the work. It could resemble a molotov cocktail against traditional colleges. There's no fraternities, sororities, no worship of collegial sports. Most of the trustees DeSantis is inserting would flunk out or never go there.",
">\n\nMost of the trustees Desantis named would flunk out of any school, to be honest.",
">\n\nExactly.",
">\n\nI was just thinking to myself the other day, \n“I can’t wait to spend my money sending my intelligent daughter to a red state college where a frat bro has more rights raping her, than she has rights over her own body.”\n“Plus I definitely want her lectured daily on books approved by the kookiest moms for Liberty school boards and constantly harassed to be super duper christian to the point where they groom and groom groom her into stupidity believing magic sky daddy has more power over her future than she does.”\nSeriously, who is signing up for this?",
">\n\nthis is part of the idea, they want to destroy education for people who are not on their side",
">\n\nThere is no actual separation of church and state in America. When’s the last fucking time a Republican got in trouble legislating their bastardized view of Christianity?",
">\n\nIt never seems to happen. They never seem to be condemned for trying to enforce Christianity, because they'll accuse you of hating Christianity if you say it. States still don't allow atheists to run for office today, which no one bats an eye about for some reason. You won't hear mainstream media talk about the war on atheists, but they'll go off every year about the war on Christmas. Just ludicrous, all the way.",
">\n\nAbsolutely. The south has pushed this bullshit and the northern elites don’t say shit about it lest the get sideways glances at the congressional country club. \nIt’s pathetic.",
">\n\nThis isn't conservatism, this is the Christian Taliban imposing its Christofascism..",
">\n\nYep. They are the Y'all Qaeda.",
">\n\nThis asshole thinks the whole state should be remade to his preference.\nYou were elected Governor, not King.",
">\n\nCombined with DeSantis’ attack on elementary schools, this attempt to control college education would assure that Florida doesn’t have people well-enough educated to supply businesses with the quality of employees they need. \nDecent parents, intelligent young adults, and businesses will be leaving Florida as fast as possible. The state will be left with mainly old people and stupid people, in other words, Republicans.",
">\n\nI was born in Florida and lived there all my life. I left last year. If I ever have children, I've decided I don't want to raise them in the hellhole that state has become.",
">\n\nOur best friends, a Latino couple, bought a condo there 20 years ago for retirement. They just sold it when DeSantis won reelection. They said they wouldn’t be comfortable there when their gay friends and their trans niece came to visit. She said, ‘I wonder if any of you would even come to visit.’",
">\n\nI'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest that this will entirely destroy this particular institution of learning. The students and faculty should be outraged and make every effort to sabotage this hostile takeover."
] |
>
This particular school presents a challenge in replacing the faculty and student body, especially with ones sympathetic to right wing politics and meddling. It's more likely the enrollment will simply crater and the school will be forced to close. IMO, this is the real goal where New College is concerned.
|
[
"Gov. Ron DeSantis appointed a group of hard-line conservative loyalists Friday into leadership positions at the New College of Florida, a move that comes as the Republican governor plots a remake of the state’s higher education system. \nSeveral of the appointees are vocal opponents of gender- and race-related education issues that have fueled the right’s culture wars in schools. They were picked as DeSantis, who is eyeing a potential 2024 White House run, vows to fight “philosophical lunacy” in the schools. \nOf the six appointed by DeSantis, the marquee names are Christopher Rufo, a conservative activist who helped turn critical race theory into a conservative rallying cry, and Matthew Spalding, a government professor at Hillsdale College, a conservative Christian college in Michigan. \nHillsdale’s digital digest, Imprimis, features the writing of conservative thinkers like Rufo, who has worked with DeSantis to combat issues like critical race theory and gender identity. The publication also includes articles with titles, like “The January 6 Insurrection Hoax,” “The Disaster at Our Southern Border,” “Gender Ideology Run Amok,” “Critical Race Theory: What it is and How to Fight it,” and “Who is in Control? The need to Rein in Big Tech.”\n\n\nApparently, Ron Desatan wants to make Florida into one giant Prager U—a white nationalist, creationist, dogma center that creates mindless drones.\n\nAt this point, if Ron Desantis gets his way and creates these universities, they should be seen as paper degrees, not even worth the paper they're printed on. What an absolute insult to freedom of thought, truth, and knowledge. Ron Desantis is a demagogue of the highest order.",
">\n\nHe's like Trump on steroids.",
">\n\nDesantis is also like Mike Pence on steroids. He'd send all LGBTQIA+ people to conversion therapy and subject them to Alan Turing style torture if he knew he could get away with it.",
">\n\nDolores Umbridge enters chat",
">\n\nAt this point, I'm think Dolores Umbridge might have been the author's self-insert character",
">\n\nIt feels like Texas and Florida are in a competition to see who can destroy their state faster. They are actively encouraging the brain drain of the smartest, well-trained people. Maybe they are trying to make Mississippi feel better about itself?",
">\n\nWeird how California is about to be wildly in debt and Texas and Florida.....are not.",
">\n\nAny day now. The world's fifth largest GDP is going to go onto dept. Any day now.... probably about the time Regannomics starts trickling down.\n/s",
">\n\nFor those not familiar with New College, this is particularly dangerous at a school like this. New College has a unique academic environment that encourages independent thought, inquiry and exploration. Wikipedia can explain more of the details, but it's essentially a college version of a montessori school.",
">\n\nAs a New College graduate I can say it's more liberal than any Montessori school. It's a rigorous honor school with very small class sizes, that is ridiculously easy to flunk out in, even for smart kids. You'd see people dropping out like flies. Has a history of allowing/nurturing strikingly non-conventional elements, as long as the students could master the work. It could resemble a molotov cocktail against traditional colleges. There's no fraternities, sororities, no worship of collegial sports. Most of the trustees DeSantis is inserting would flunk out or never go there.",
">\n\nMost of the trustees Desantis named would flunk out of any school, to be honest.",
">\n\nExactly.",
">\n\nI was just thinking to myself the other day, \n“I can’t wait to spend my money sending my intelligent daughter to a red state college where a frat bro has more rights raping her, than she has rights over her own body.”\n“Plus I definitely want her lectured daily on books approved by the kookiest moms for Liberty school boards and constantly harassed to be super duper christian to the point where they groom and groom groom her into stupidity believing magic sky daddy has more power over her future than she does.”\nSeriously, who is signing up for this?",
">\n\nthis is part of the idea, they want to destroy education for people who are not on their side",
">\n\nThere is no actual separation of church and state in America. When’s the last fucking time a Republican got in trouble legislating their bastardized view of Christianity?",
">\n\nIt never seems to happen. They never seem to be condemned for trying to enforce Christianity, because they'll accuse you of hating Christianity if you say it. States still don't allow atheists to run for office today, which no one bats an eye about for some reason. You won't hear mainstream media talk about the war on atheists, but they'll go off every year about the war on Christmas. Just ludicrous, all the way.",
">\n\nAbsolutely. The south has pushed this bullshit and the northern elites don’t say shit about it lest the get sideways glances at the congressional country club. \nIt’s pathetic.",
">\n\nThis isn't conservatism, this is the Christian Taliban imposing its Christofascism..",
">\n\nYep. They are the Y'all Qaeda.",
">\n\nThis asshole thinks the whole state should be remade to his preference.\nYou were elected Governor, not King.",
">\n\nCombined with DeSantis’ attack on elementary schools, this attempt to control college education would assure that Florida doesn’t have people well-enough educated to supply businesses with the quality of employees they need. \nDecent parents, intelligent young adults, and businesses will be leaving Florida as fast as possible. The state will be left with mainly old people and stupid people, in other words, Republicans.",
">\n\nI was born in Florida and lived there all my life. I left last year. If I ever have children, I've decided I don't want to raise them in the hellhole that state has become.",
">\n\nOur best friends, a Latino couple, bought a condo there 20 years ago for retirement. They just sold it when DeSantis won reelection. They said they wouldn’t be comfortable there when their gay friends and their trans niece came to visit. She said, ‘I wonder if any of you would even come to visit.’",
">\n\nI'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest that this will entirely destroy this particular institution of learning. The students and faculty should be outraged and make every effort to sabotage this hostile takeover.",
">\n\nWhat can they do? They have no rights. They can't even just go to another school because they will be replaced with new students and professors that agree with DeSantis."
] |
>
Rufo is a creationist. This should violate the separation of church and state.
|
[
"Gov. Ron DeSantis appointed a group of hard-line conservative loyalists Friday into leadership positions at the New College of Florida, a move that comes as the Republican governor plots a remake of the state’s higher education system. \nSeveral of the appointees are vocal opponents of gender- and race-related education issues that have fueled the right’s culture wars in schools. They were picked as DeSantis, who is eyeing a potential 2024 White House run, vows to fight “philosophical lunacy” in the schools. \nOf the six appointed by DeSantis, the marquee names are Christopher Rufo, a conservative activist who helped turn critical race theory into a conservative rallying cry, and Matthew Spalding, a government professor at Hillsdale College, a conservative Christian college in Michigan. \nHillsdale’s digital digest, Imprimis, features the writing of conservative thinkers like Rufo, who has worked with DeSantis to combat issues like critical race theory and gender identity. The publication also includes articles with titles, like “The January 6 Insurrection Hoax,” “The Disaster at Our Southern Border,” “Gender Ideology Run Amok,” “Critical Race Theory: What it is and How to Fight it,” and “Who is in Control? The need to Rein in Big Tech.”\n\n\nApparently, Ron Desatan wants to make Florida into one giant Prager U—a white nationalist, creationist, dogma center that creates mindless drones.\n\nAt this point, if Ron Desantis gets his way and creates these universities, they should be seen as paper degrees, not even worth the paper they're printed on. What an absolute insult to freedom of thought, truth, and knowledge. Ron Desantis is a demagogue of the highest order.",
">\n\nHe's like Trump on steroids.",
">\n\nDesantis is also like Mike Pence on steroids. He'd send all LGBTQIA+ people to conversion therapy and subject them to Alan Turing style torture if he knew he could get away with it.",
">\n\nDolores Umbridge enters chat",
">\n\nAt this point, I'm think Dolores Umbridge might have been the author's self-insert character",
">\n\nIt feels like Texas and Florida are in a competition to see who can destroy their state faster. They are actively encouraging the brain drain of the smartest, well-trained people. Maybe they are trying to make Mississippi feel better about itself?",
">\n\nWeird how California is about to be wildly in debt and Texas and Florida.....are not.",
">\n\nAny day now. The world's fifth largest GDP is going to go onto dept. Any day now.... probably about the time Regannomics starts trickling down.\n/s",
">\n\nFor those not familiar with New College, this is particularly dangerous at a school like this. New College has a unique academic environment that encourages independent thought, inquiry and exploration. Wikipedia can explain more of the details, but it's essentially a college version of a montessori school.",
">\n\nAs a New College graduate I can say it's more liberal than any Montessori school. It's a rigorous honor school with very small class sizes, that is ridiculously easy to flunk out in, even for smart kids. You'd see people dropping out like flies. Has a history of allowing/nurturing strikingly non-conventional elements, as long as the students could master the work. It could resemble a molotov cocktail against traditional colleges. There's no fraternities, sororities, no worship of collegial sports. Most of the trustees DeSantis is inserting would flunk out or never go there.",
">\n\nMost of the trustees Desantis named would flunk out of any school, to be honest.",
">\n\nExactly.",
">\n\nI was just thinking to myself the other day, \n“I can’t wait to spend my money sending my intelligent daughter to a red state college where a frat bro has more rights raping her, than she has rights over her own body.”\n“Plus I definitely want her lectured daily on books approved by the kookiest moms for Liberty school boards and constantly harassed to be super duper christian to the point where they groom and groom groom her into stupidity believing magic sky daddy has more power over her future than she does.”\nSeriously, who is signing up for this?",
">\n\nthis is part of the idea, they want to destroy education for people who are not on their side",
">\n\nThere is no actual separation of church and state in America. When’s the last fucking time a Republican got in trouble legislating their bastardized view of Christianity?",
">\n\nIt never seems to happen. They never seem to be condemned for trying to enforce Christianity, because they'll accuse you of hating Christianity if you say it. States still don't allow atheists to run for office today, which no one bats an eye about for some reason. You won't hear mainstream media talk about the war on atheists, but they'll go off every year about the war on Christmas. Just ludicrous, all the way.",
">\n\nAbsolutely. The south has pushed this bullshit and the northern elites don’t say shit about it lest the get sideways glances at the congressional country club. \nIt’s pathetic.",
">\n\nThis isn't conservatism, this is the Christian Taliban imposing its Christofascism..",
">\n\nYep. They are the Y'all Qaeda.",
">\n\nThis asshole thinks the whole state should be remade to his preference.\nYou were elected Governor, not King.",
">\n\nCombined with DeSantis’ attack on elementary schools, this attempt to control college education would assure that Florida doesn’t have people well-enough educated to supply businesses with the quality of employees they need. \nDecent parents, intelligent young adults, and businesses will be leaving Florida as fast as possible. The state will be left with mainly old people and stupid people, in other words, Republicans.",
">\n\nI was born in Florida and lived there all my life. I left last year. If I ever have children, I've decided I don't want to raise them in the hellhole that state has become.",
">\n\nOur best friends, a Latino couple, bought a condo there 20 years ago for retirement. They just sold it when DeSantis won reelection. They said they wouldn’t be comfortable there when their gay friends and their trans niece came to visit. She said, ‘I wonder if any of you would even come to visit.’",
">\n\nI'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest that this will entirely destroy this particular institution of learning. The students and faculty should be outraged and make every effort to sabotage this hostile takeover.",
">\n\nWhat can they do? They have no rights. They can't even just go to another school because they will be replaced with new students and professors that agree with DeSantis.",
">\n\nThis particular school presents a challenge in replacing the faculty and student body, especially with ones sympathetic to right wing politics and meddling. It's more likely the enrollment will simply crater and the school will be forced to close. IMO, this is the real goal where New College is concerned."
] |
>
Yup. He's just upset over losing at creationism, which is an ultimate loser as a paradigm.
|
[
"Gov. Ron DeSantis appointed a group of hard-line conservative loyalists Friday into leadership positions at the New College of Florida, a move that comes as the Republican governor plots a remake of the state’s higher education system. \nSeveral of the appointees are vocal opponents of gender- and race-related education issues that have fueled the right’s culture wars in schools. They were picked as DeSantis, who is eyeing a potential 2024 White House run, vows to fight “philosophical lunacy” in the schools. \nOf the six appointed by DeSantis, the marquee names are Christopher Rufo, a conservative activist who helped turn critical race theory into a conservative rallying cry, and Matthew Spalding, a government professor at Hillsdale College, a conservative Christian college in Michigan. \nHillsdale’s digital digest, Imprimis, features the writing of conservative thinkers like Rufo, who has worked with DeSantis to combat issues like critical race theory and gender identity. The publication also includes articles with titles, like “The January 6 Insurrection Hoax,” “The Disaster at Our Southern Border,” “Gender Ideology Run Amok,” “Critical Race Theory: What it is and How to Fight it,” and “Who is in Control? The need to Rein in Big Tech.”\n\n\nApparently, Ron Desatan wants to make Florida into one giant Prager U—a white nationalist, creationist, dogma center that creates mindless drones.\n\nAt this point, if Ron Desantis gets his way and creates these universities, they should be seen as paper degrees, not even worth the paper they're printed on. What an absolute insult to freedom of thought, truth, and knowledge. Ron Desantis is a demagogue of the highest order.",
">\n\nHe's like Trump on steroids.",
">\n\nDesantis is also like Mike Pence on steroids. He'd send all LGBTQIA+ people to conversion therapy and subject them to Alan Turing style torture if he knew he could get away with it.",
">\n\nDolores Umbridge enters chat",
">\n\nAt this point, I'm think Dolores Umbridge might have been the author's self-insert character",
">\n\nIt feels like Texas and Florida are in a competition to see who can destroy their state faster. They are actively encouraging the brain drain of the smartest, well-trained people. Maybe they are trying to make Mississippi feel better about itself?",
">\n\nWeird how California is about to be wildly in debt and Texas and Florida.....are not.",
">\n\nAny day now. The world's fifth largest GDP is going to go onto dept. Any day now.... probably about the time Regannomics starts trickling down.\n/s",
">\n\nFor those not familiar with New College, this is particularly dangerous at a school like this. New College has a unique academic environment that encourages independent thought, inquiry and exploration. Wikipedia can explain more of the details, but it's essentially a college version of a montessori school.",
">\n\nAs a New College graduate I can say it's more liberal than any Montessori school. It's a rigorous honor school with very small class sizes, that is ridiculously easy to flunk out in, even for smart kids. You'd see people dropping out like flies. Has a history of allowing/nurturing strikingly non-conventional elements, as long as the students could master the work. It could resemble a molotov cocktail against traditional colleges. There's no fraternities, sororities, no worship of collegial sports. Most of the trustees DeSantis is inserting would flunk out or never go there.",
">\n\nMost of the trustees Desantis named would flunk out of any school, to be honest.",
">\n\nExactly.",
">\n\nI was just thinking to myself the other day, \n“I can’t wait to spend my money sending my intelligent daughter to a red state college where a frat bro has more rights raping her, than she has rights over her own body.”\n“Plus I definitely want her lectured daily on books approved by the kookiest moms for Liberty school boards and constantly harassed to be super duper christian to the point where they groom and groom groom her into stupidity believing magic sky daddy has more power over her future than she does.”\nSeriously, who is signing up for this?",
">\n\nthis is part of the idea, they want to destroy education for people who are not on their side",
">\n\nThere is no actual separation of church and state in America. When’s the last fucking time a Republican got in trouble legislating their bastardized view of Christianity?",
">\n\nIt never seems to happen. They never seem to be condemned for trying to enforce Christianity, because they'll accuse you of hating Christianity if you say it. States still don't allow atheists to run for office today, which no one bats an eye about for some reason. You won't hear mainstream media talk about the war on atheists, but they'll go off every year about the war on Christmas. Just ludicrous, all the way.",
">\n\nAbsolutely. The south has pushed this bullshit and the northern elites don’t say shit about it lest the get sideways glances at the congressional country club. \nIt’s pathetic.",
">\n\nThis isn't conservatism, this is the Christian Taliban imposing its Christofascism..",
">\n\nYep. They are the Y'all Qaeda.",
">\n\nThis asshole thinks the whole state should be remade to his preference.\nYou were elected Governor, not King.",
">\n\nCombined with DeSantis’ attack on elementary schools, this attempt to control college education would assure that Florida doesn’t have people well-enough educated to supply businesses with the quality of employees they need. \nDecent parents, intelligent young adults, and businesses will be leaving Florida as fast as possible. The state will be left with mainly old people and stupid people, in other words, Republicans.",
">\n\nI was born in Florida and lived there all my life. I left last year. If I ever have children, I've decided I don't want to raise them in the hellhole that state has become.",
">\n\nOur best friends, a Latino couple, bought a condo there 20 years ago for retirement. They just sold it when DeSantis won reelection. They said they wouldn’t be comfortable there when their gay friends and their trans niece came to visit. She said, ‘I wonder if any of you would even come to visit.’",
">\n\nI'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest that this will entirely destroy this particular institution of learning. The students and faculty should be outraged and make every effort to sabotage this hostile takeover.",
">\n\nWhat can they do? They have no rights. They can't even just go to another school because they will be replaced with new students and professors that agree with DeSantis.",
">\n\nThis particular school presents a challenge in replacing the faculty and student body, especially with ones sympathetic to right wing politics and meddling. It's more likely the enrollment will simply crater and the school will be forced to close. IMO, this is the real goal where New College is concerned.",
">\n\nRufo is a creationist. This should violate the separation of church and state."
] |
>
So, would that make it a conservative arts college?
|
[
"Gov. Ron DeSantis appointed a group of hard-line conservative loyalists Friday into leadership positions at the New College of Florida, a move that comes as the Republican governor plots a remake of the state’s higher education system. \nSeveral of the appointees are vocal opponents of gender- and race-related education issues that have fueled the right’s culture wars in schools. They were picked as DeSantis, who is eyeing a potential 2024 White House run, vows to fight “philosophical lunacy” in the schools. \nOf the six appointed by DeSantis, the marquee names are Christopher Rufo, a conservative activist who helped turn critical race theory into a conservative rallying cry, and Matthew Spalding, a government professor at Hillsdale College, a conservative Christian college in Michigan. \nHillsdale’s digital digest, Imprimis, features the writing of conservative thinkers like Rufo, who has worked with DeSantis to combat issues like critical race theory and gender identity. The publication also includes articles with titles, like “The January 6 Insurrection Hoax,” “The Disaster at Our Southern Border,” “Gender Ideology Run Amok,” “Critical Race Theory: What it is and How to Fight it,” and “Who is in Control? The need to Rein in Big Tech.”\n\n\nApparently, Ron Desatan wants to make Florida into one giant Prager U—a white nationalist, creationist, dogma center that creates mindless drones.\n\nAt this point, if Ron Desantis gets his way and creates these universities, they should be seen as paper degrees, not even worth the paper they're printed on. What an absolute insult to freedom of thought, truth, and knowledge. Ron Desantis is a demagogue of the highest order.",
">\n\nHe's like Trump on steroids.",
">\n\nDesantis is also like Mike Pence on steroids. He'd send all LGBTQIA+ people to conversion therapy and subject them to Alan Turing style torture if he knew he could get away with it.",
">\n\nDolores Umbridge enters chat",
">\n\nAt this point, I'm think Dolores Umbridge might have been the author's self-insert character",
">\n\nIt feels like Texas and Florida are in a competition to see who can destroy their state faster. They are actively encouraging the brain drain of the smartest, well-trained people. Maybe they are trying to make Mississippi feel better about itself?",
">\n\nWeird how California is about to be wildly in debt and Texas and Florida.....are not.",
">\n\nAny day now. The world's fifth largest GDP is going to go onto dept. Any day now.... probably about the time Regannomics starts trickling down.\n/s",
">\n\nFor those not familiar with New College, this is particularly dangerous at a school like this. New College has a unique academic environment that encourages independent thought, inquiry and exploration. Wikipedia can explain more of the details, but it's essentially a college version of a montessori school.",
">\n\nAs a New College graduate I can say it's more liberal than any Montessori school. It's a rigorous honor school with very small class sizes, that is ridiculously easy to flunk out in, even for smart kids. You'd see people dropping out like flies. Has a history of allowing/nurturing strikingly non-conventional elements, as long as the students could master the work. It could resemble a molotov cocktail against traditional colleges. There's no fraternities, sororities, no worship of collegial sports. Most of the trustees DeSantis is inserting would flunk out or never go there.",
">\n\nMost of the trustees Desantis named would flunk out of any school, to be honest.",
">\n\nExactly.",
">\n\nI was just thinking to myself the other day, \n“I can’t wait to spend my money sending my intelligent daughter to a red state college where a frat bro has more rights raping her, than she has rights over her own body.”\n“Plus I definitely want her lectured daily on books approved by the kookiest moms for Liberty school boards and constantly harassed to be super duper christian to the point where they groom and groom groom her into stupidity believing magic sky daddy has more power over her future than she does.”\nSeriously, who is signing up for this?",
">\n\nthis is part of the idea, they want to destroy education for people who are not on their side",
">\n\nThere is no actual separation of church and state in America. When’s the last fucking time a Republican got in trouble legislating their bastardized view of Christianity?",
">\n\nIt never seems to happen. They never seem to be condemned for trying to enforce Christianity, because they'll accuse you of hating Christianity if you say it. States still don't allow atheists to run for office today, which no one bats an eye about for some reason. You won't hear mainstream media talk about the war on atheists, but they'll go off every year about the war on Christmas. Just ludicrous, all the way.",
">\n\nAbsolutely. The south has pushed this bullshit and the northern elites don’t say shit about it lest the get sideways glances at the congressional country club. \nIt’s pathetic.",
">\n\nThis isn't conservatism, this is the Christian Taliban imposing its Christofascism..",
">\n\nYep. They are the Y'all Qaeda.",
">\n\nThis asshole thinks the whole state should be remade to his preference.\nYou were elected Governor, not King.",
">\n\nCombined with DeSantis’ attack on elementary schools, this attempt to control college education would assure that Florida doesn’t have people well-enough educated to supply businesses with the quality of employees they need. \nDecent parents, intelligent young adults, and businesses will be leaving Florida as fast as possible. The state will be left with mainly old people and stupid people, in other words, Republicans.",
">\n\nI was born in Florida and lived there all my life. I left last year. If I ever have children, I've decided I don't want to raise them in the hellhole that state has become.",
">\n\nOur best friends, a Latino couple, bought a condo there 20 years ago for retirement. They just sold it when DeSantis won reelection. They said they wouldn’t be comfortable there when their gay friends and their trans niece came to visit. She said, ‘I wonder if any of you would even come to visit.’",
">\n\nI'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest that this will entirely destroy this particular institution of learning. The students and faculty should be outraged and make every effort to sabotage this hostile takeover.",
">\n\nWhat can they do? They have no rights. They can't even just go to another school because they will be replaced with new students and professors that agree with DeSantis.",
">\n\nThis particular school presents a challenge in replacing the faculty and student body, especially with ones sympathetic to right wing politics and meddling. It's more likely the enrollment will simply crater and the school will be forced to close. IMO, this is the real goal where New College is concerned.",
">\n\nRufo is a creationist. This should violate the separation of church and state.",
">\n\nYup. He's just upset over losing at creationism, which is an ultimate loser as a paradigm."
] |
>
Conservative and art don't belong in the same sentence. Conservatives aren't good at art, from what I've seen of dry uterus loving Ben Shapiro & child marriage advocate Matt Walsh.
|
[
"Gov. Ron DeSantis appointed a group of hard-line conservative loyalists Friday into leadership positions at the New College of Florida, a move that comes as the Republican governor plots a remake of the state’s higher education system. \nSeveral of the appointees are vocal opponents of gender- and race-related education issues that have fueled the right’s culture wars in schools. They were picked as DeSantis, who is eyeing a potential 2024 White House run, vows to fight “philosophical lunacy” in the schools. \nOf the six appointed by DeSantis, the marquee names are Christopher Rufo, a conservative activist who helped turn critical race theory into a conservative rallying cry, and Matthew Spalding, a government professor at Hillsdale College, a conservative Christian college in Michigan. \nHillsdale’s digital digest, Imprimis, features the writing of conservative thinkers like Rufo, who has worked with DeSantis to combat issues like critical race theory and gender identity. The publication also includes articles with titles, like “The January 6 Insurrection Hoax,” “The Disaster at Our Southern Border,” “Gender Ideology Run Amok,” “Critical Race Theory: What it is and How to Fight it,” and “Who is in Control? The need to Rein in Big Tech.”\n\n\nApparently, Ron Desatan wants to make Florida into one giant Prager U—a white nationalist, creationist, dogma center that creates mindless drones.\n\nAt this point, if Ron Desantis gets his way and creates these universities, they should be seen as paper degrees, not even worth the paper they're printed on. What an absolute insult to freedom of thought, truth, and knowledge. Ron Desantis is a demagogue of the highest order.",
">\n\nHe's like Trump on steroids.",
">\n\nDesantis is also like Mike Pence on steroids. He'd send all LGBTQIA+ people to conversion therapy and subject them to Alan Turing style torture if he knew he could get away with it.",
">\n\nDolores Umbridge enters chat",
">\n\nAt this point, I'm think Dolores Umbridge might have been the author's self-insert character",
">\n\nIt feels like Texas and Florida are in a competition to see who can destroy their state faster. They are actively encouraging the brain drain of the smartest, well-trained people. Maybe they are trying to make Mississippi feel better about itself?",
">\n\nWeird how California is about to be wildly in debt and Texas and Florida.....are not.",
">\n\nAny day now. The world's fifth largest GDP is going to go onto dept. Any day now.... probably about the time Regannomics starts trickling down.\n/s",
">\n\nFor those not familiar with New College, this is particularly dangerous at a school like this. New College has a unique academic environment that encourages independent thought, inquiry and exploration. Wikipedia can explain more of the details, but it's essentially a college version of a montessori school.",
">\n\nAs a New College graduate I can say it's more liberal than any Montessori school. It's a rigorous honor school with very small class sizes, that is ridiculously easy to flunk out in, even for smart kids. You'd see people dropping out like flies. Has a history of allowing/nurturing strikingly non-conventional elements, as long as the students could master the work. It could resemble a molotov cocktail against traditional colleges. There's no fraternities, sororities, no worship of collegial sports. Most of the trustees DeSantis is inserting would flunk out or never go there.",
">\n\nMost of the trustees Desantis named would flunk out of any school, to be honest.",
">\n\nExactly.",
">\n\nI was just thinking to myself the other day, \n“I can’t wait to spend my money sending my intelligent daughter to a red state college where a frat bro has more rights raping her, than she has rights over her own body.”\n“Plus I definitely want her lectured daily on books approved by the kookiest moms for Liberty school boards and constantly harassed to be super duper christian to the point where they groom and groom groom her into stupidity believing magic sky daddy has more power over her future than she does.”\nSeriously, who is signing up for this?",
">\n\nthis is part of the idea, they want to destroy education for people who are not on their side",
">\n\nThere is no actual separation of church and state in America. When’s the last fucking time a Republican got in trouble legislating their bastardized view of Christianity?",
">\n\nIt never seems to happen. They never seem to be condemned for trying to enforce Christianity, because they'll accuse you of hating Christianity if you say it. States still don't allow atheists to run for office today, which no one bats an eye about for some reason. You won't hear mainstream media talk about the war on atheists, but they'll go off every year about the war on Christmas. Just ludicrous, all the way.",
">\n\nAbsolutely. The south has pushed this bullshit and the northern elites don’t say shit about it lest the get sideways glances at the congressional country club. \nIt’s pathetic.",
">\n\nThis isn't conservatism, this is the Christian Taliban imposing its Christofascism..",
">\n\nYep. They are the Y'all Qaeda.",
">\n\nThis asshole thinks the whole state should be remade to his preference.\nYou were elected Governor, not King.",
">\n\nCombined with DeSantis’ attack on elementary schools, this attempt to control college education would assure that Florida doesn’t have people well-enough educated to supply businesses with the quality of employees they need. \nDecent parents, intelligent young adults, and businesses will be leaving Florida as fast as possible. The state will be left with mainly old people and stupid people, in other words, Republicans.",
">\n\nI was born in Florida and lived there all my life. I left last year. If I ever have children, I've decided I don't want to raise them in the hellhole that state has become.",
">\n\nOur best friends, a Latino couple, bought a condo there 20 years ago for retirement. They just sold it when DeSantis won reelection. They said they wouldn’t be comfortable there when their gay friends and their trans niece came to visit. She said, ‘I wonder if any of you would even come to visit.’",
">\n\nI'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest that this will entirely destroy this particular institution of learning. The students and faculty should be outraged and make every effort to sabotage this hostile takeover.",
">\n\nWhat can they do? They have no rights. They can't even just go to another school because they will be replaced with new students and professors that agree with DeSantis.",
">\n\nThis particular school presents a challenge in replacing the faculty and student body, especially with ones sympathetic to right wing politics and meddling. It's more likely the enrollment will simply crater and the school will be forced to close. IMO, this is the real goal where New College is concerned.",
">\n\nRufo is a creationist. This should violate the separation of church and state.",
">\n\nYup. He's just upset over losing at creationism, which is an ultimate loser as a paradigm.",
">\n\nSo, would that make it a conservative arts college?"
] |
>
Hey, True Allegiance was a work of art!
Sure, the specific type of art was "parody of Ben Shapiro" and it was unwitting self-parody, but it was still art!
|
[
"Gov. Ron DeSantis appointed a group of hard-line conservative loyalists Friday into leadership positions at the New College of Florida, a move that comes as the Republican governor plots a remake of the state’s higher education system. \nSeveral of the appointees are vocal opponents of gender- and race-related education issues that have fueled the right’s culture wars in schools. They were picked as DeSantis, who is eyeing a potential 2024 White House run, vows to fight “philosophical lunacy” in the schools. \nOf the six appointed by DeSantis, the marquee names are Christopher Rufo, a conservative activist who helped turn critical race theory into a conservative rallying cry, and Matthew Spalding, a government professor at Hillsdale College, a conservative Christian college in Michigan. \nHillsdale’s digital digest, Imprimis, features the writing of conservative thinkers like Rufo, who has worked with DeSantis to combat issues like critical race theory and gender identity. The publication also includes articles with titles, like “The January 6 Insurrection Hoax,” “The Disaster at Our Southern Border,” “Gender Ideology Run Amok,” “Critical Race Theory: What it is and How to Fight it,” and “Who is in Control? The need to Rein in Big Tech.”\n\n\nApparently, Ron Desatan wants to make Florida into one giant Prager U—a white nationalist, creationist, dogma center that creates mindless drones.\n\nAt this point, if Ron Desantis gets his way and creates these universities, they should be seen as paper degrees, not even worth the paper they're printed on. What an absolute insult to freedom of thought, truth, and knowledge. Ron Desantis is a demagogue of the highest order.",
">\n\nHe's like Trump on steroids.",
">\n\nDesantis is also like Mike Pence on steroids. He'd send all LGBTQIA+ people to conversion therapy and subject them to Alan Turing style torture if he knew he could get away with it.",
">\n\nDolores Umbridge enters chat",
">\n\nAt this point, I'm think Dolores Umbridge might have been the author's self-insert character",
">\n\nIt feels like Texas and Florida are in a competition to see who can destroy their state faster. They are actively encouraging the brain drain of the smartest, well-trained people. Maybe they are trying to make Mississippi feel better about itself?",
">\n\nWeird how California is about to be wildly in debt and Texas and Florida.....are not.",
">\n\nAny day now. The world's fifth largest GDP is going to go onto dept. Any day now.... probably about the time Regannomics starts trickling down.\n/s",
">\n\nFor those not familiar with New College, this is particularly dangerous at a school like this. New College has a unique academic environment that encourages independent thought, inquiry and exploration. Wikipedia can explain more of the details, but it's essentially a college version of a montessori school.",
">\n\nAs a New College graduate I can say it's more liberal than any Montessori school. It's a rigorous honor school with very small class sizes, that is ridiculously easy to flunk out in, even for smart kids. You'd see people dropping out like flies. Has a history of allowing/nurturing strikingly non-conventional elements, as long as the students could master the work. It could resemble a molotov cocktail against traditional colleges. There's no fraternities, sororities, no worship of collegial sports. Most of the trustees DeSantis is inserting would flunk out or never go there.",
">\n\nMost of the trustees Desantis named would flunk out of any school, to be honest.",
">\n\nExactly.",
">\n\nI was just thinking to myself the other day, \n“I can’t wait to spend my money sending my intelligent daughter to a red state college where a frat bro has more rights raping her, than she has rights over her own body.”\n“Plus I definitely want her lectured daily on books approved by the kookiest moms for Liberty school boards and constantly harassed to be super duper christian to the point where they groom and groom groom her into stupidity believing magic sky daddy has more power over her future than she does.”\nSeriously, who is signing up for this?",
">\n\nthis is part of the idea, they want to destroy education for people who are not on their side",
">\n\nThere is no actual separation of church and state in America. When’s the last fucking time a Republican got in trouble legislating their bastardized view of Christianity?",
">\n\nIt never seems to happen. They never seem to be condemned for trying to enforce Christianity, because they'll accuse you of hating Christianity if you say it. States still don't allow atheists to run for office today, which no one bats an eye about for some reason. You won't hear mainstream media talk about the war on atheists, but they'll go off every year about the war on Christmas. Just ludicrous, all the way.",
">\n\nAbsolutely. The south has pushed this bullshit and the northern elites don’t say shit about it lest the get sideways glances at the congressional country club. \nIt’s pathetic.",
">\n\nThis isn't conservatism, this is the Christian Taliban imposing its Christofascism..",
">\n\nYep. They are the Y'all Qaeda.",
">\n\nThis asshole thinks the whole state should be remade to his preference.\nYou were elected Governor, not King.",
">\n\nCombined with DeSantis’ attack on elementary schools, this attempt to control college education would assure that Florida doesn’t have people well-enough educated to supply businesses with the quality of employees they need. \nDecent parents, intelligent young adults, and businesses will be leaving Florida as fast as possible. The state will be left with mainly old people and stupid people, in other words, Republicans.",
">\n\nI was born in Florida and lived there all my life. I left last year. If I ever have children, I've decided I don't want to raise them in the hellhole that state has become.",
">\n\nOur best friends, a Latino couple, bought a condo there 20 years ago for retirement. They just sold it when DeSantis won reelection. They said they wouldn’t be comfortable there when their gay friends and their trans niece came to visit. She said, ‘I wonder if any of you would even come to visit.’",
">\n\nI'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest that this will entirely destroy this particular institution of learning. The students and faculty should be outraged and make every effort to sabotage this hostile takeover.",
">\n\nWhat can they do? They have no rights. They can't even just go to another school because they will be replaced with new students and professors that agree with DeSantis.",
">\n\nThis particular school presents a challenge in replacing the faculty and student body, especially with ones sympathetic to right wing politics and meddling. It's more likely the enrollment will simply crater and the school will be forced to close. IMO, this is the real goal where New College is concerned.",
">\n\nRufo is a creationist. This should violate the separation of church and state.",
">\n\nYup. He's just upset over losing at creationism, which is an ultimate loser as a paradigm.",
">\n\nSo, would that make it a conservative arts college?",
">\n\nConservative and art don't belong in the same sentence. Conservatives aren't good at art, from what I've seen of dry uterus loving Ben Shapiro & child marriage advocate Matt Walsh."
] |
>
I'm glad there won't be any "indoctrination"
|
[
"Gov. Ron DeSantis appointed a group of hard-line conservative loyalists Friday into leadership positions at the New College of Florida, a move that comes as the Republican governor plots a remake of the state’s higher education system. \nSeveral of the appointees are vocal opponents of gender- and race-related education issues that have fueled the right’s culture wars in schools. They were picked as DeSantis, who is eyeing a potential 2024 White House run, vows to fight “philosophical lunacy” in the schools. \nOf the six appointed by DeSantis, the marquee names are Christopher Rufo, a conservative activist who helped turn critical race theory into a conservative rallying cry, and Matthew Spalding, a government professor at Hillsdale College, a conservative Christian college in Michigan. \nHillsdale’s digital digest, Imprimis, features the writing of conservative thinkers like Rufo, who has worked with DeSantis to combat issues like critical race theory and gender identity. The publication also includes articles with titles, like “The January 6 Insurrection Hoax,” “The Disaster at Our Southern Border,” “Gender Ideology Run Amok,” “Critical Race Theory: What it is and How to Fight it,” and “Who is in Control? The need to Rein in Big Tech.”\n\n\nApparently, Ron Desatan wants to make Florida into one giant Prager U—a white nationalist, creationist, dogma center that creates mindless drones.\n\nAt this point, if Ron Desantis gets his way and creates these universities, they should be seen as paper degrees, not even worth the paper they're printed on. What an absolute insult to freedom of thought, truth, and knowledge. Ron Desantis is a demagogue of the highest order.",
">\n\nHe's like Trump on steroids.",
">\n\nDesantis is also like Mike Pence on steroids. He'd send all LGBTQIA+ people to conversion therapy and subject them to Alan Turing style torture if he knew he could get away with it.",
">\n\nDolores Umbridge enters chat",
">\n\nAt this point, I'm think Dolores Umbridge might have been the author's self-insert character",
">\n\nIt feels like Texas and Florida are in a competition to see who can destroy their state faster. They are actively encouraging the brain drain of the smartest, well-trained people. Maybe they are trying to make Mississippi feel better about itself?",
">\n\nWeird how California is about to be wildly in debt and Texas and Florida.....are not.",
">\n\nAny day now. The world's fifth largest GDP is going to go onto dept. Any day now.... probably about the time Regannomics starts trickling down.\n/s",
">\n\nFor those not familiar with New College, this is particularly dangerous at a school like this. New College has a unique academic environment that encourages independent thought, inquiry and exploration. Wikipedia can explain more of the details, but it's essentially a college version of a montessori school.",
">\n\nAs a New College graduate I can say it's more liberal than any Montessori school. It's a rigorous honor school with very small class sizes, that is ridiculously easy to flunk out in, even for smart kids. You'd see people dropping out like flies. Has a history of allowing/nurturing strikingly non-conventional elements, as long as the students could master the work. It could resemble a molotov cocktail against traditional colleges. There's no fraternities, sororities, no worship of collegial sports. Most of the trustees DeSantis is inserting would flunk out or never go there.",
">\n\nMost of the trustees Desantis named would flunk out of any school, to be honest.",
">\n\nExactly.",
">\n\nI was just thinking to myself the other day, \n“I can’t wait to spend my money sending my intelligent daughter to a red state college where a frat bro has more rights raping her, than she has rights over her own body.”\n“Plus I definitely want her lectured daily on books approved by the kookiest moms for Liberty school boards and constantly harassed to be super duper christian to the point where they groom and groom groom her into stupidity believing magic sky daddy has more power over her future than she does.”\nSeriously, who is signing up for this?",
">\n\nthis is part of the idea, they want to destroy education for people who are not on their side",
">\n\nThere is no actual separation of church and state in America. When’s the last fucking time a Republican got in trouble legislating their bastardized view of Christianity?",
">\n\nIt never seems to happen. They never seem to be condemned for trying to enforce Christianity, because they'll accuse you of hating Christianity if you say it. States still don't allow atheists to run for office today, which no one bats an eye about for some reason. You won't hear mainstream media talk about the war on atheists, but they'll go off every year about the war on Christmas. Just ludicrous, all the way.",
">\n\nAbsolutely. The south has pushed this bullshit and the northern elites don’t say shit about it lest the get sideways glances at the congressional country club. \nIt’s pathetic.",
">\n\nThis isn't conservatism, this is the Christian Taliban imposing its Christofascism..",
">\n\nYep. They are the Y'all Qaeda.",
">\n\nThis asshole thinks the whole state should be remade to his preference.\nYou were elected Governor, not King.",
">\n\nCombined with DeSantis’ attack on elementary schools, this attempt to control college education would assure that Florida doesn’t have people well-enough educated to supply businesses with the quality of employees they need. \nDecent parents, intelligent young adults, and businesses will be leaving Florida as fast as possible. The state will be left with mainly old people and stupid people, in other words, Republicans.",
">\n\nI was born in Florida and lived there all my life. I left last year. If I ever have children, I've decided I don't want to raise them in the hellhole that state has become.",
">\n\nOur best friends, a Latino couple, bought a condo there 20 years ago for retirement. They just sold it when DeSantis won reelection. They said they wouldn’t be comfortable there when their gay friends and their trans niece came to visit. She said, ‘I wonder if any of you would even come to visit.’",
">\n\nI'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest that this will entirely destroy this particular institution of learning. The students and faculty should be outraged and make every effort to sabotage this hostile takeover.",
">\n\nWhat can they do? They have no rights. They can't even just go to another school because they will be replaced with new students and professors that agree with DeSantis.",
">\n\nThis particular school presents a challenge in replacing the faculty and student body, especially with ones sympathetic to right wing politics and meddling. It's more likely the enrollment will simply crater and the school will be forced to close. IMO, this is the real goal where New College is concerned.",
">\n\nRufo is a creationist. This should violate the separation of church and state.",
">\n\nYup. He's just upset over losing at creationism, which is an ultimate loser as a paradigm.",
">\n\nSo, would that make it a conservative arts college?",
">\n\nConservative and art don't belong in the same sentence. Conservatives aren't good at art, from what I've seen of dry uterus loving Ben Shapiro & child marriage advocate Matt Walsh.",
">\n\nHey, True Allegiance was a work of art!\nSure, the specific type of art was \"parody of Ben Shapiro\" and it was unwitting self-parody, but it was still art!"
] |
>
rufo is such a creepy little worm
i think it’s really obvious that rufo and the rest of this big group of fascists don’t really care about what it is that gets them into power. they don’t care about crt or trans people or any of it. they just want to dominate people.
if crt and progressive/leftist values actually were seeking to dominate people against their will like all these freak shows say, rufo and desantis would be leftists
|
[
"Gov. Ron DeSantis appointed a group of hard-line conservative loyalists Friday into leadership positions at the New College of Florida, a move that comes as the Republican governor plots a remake of the state’s higher education system. \nSeveral of the appointees are vocal opponents of gender- and race-related education issues that have fueled the right’s culture wars in schools. They were picked as DeSantis, who is eyeing a potential 2024 White House run, vows to fight “philosophical lunacy” in the schools. \nOf the six appointed by DeSantis, the marquee names are Christopher Rufo, a conservative activist who helped turn critical race theory into a conservative rallying cry, and Matthew Spalding, a government professor at Hillsdale College, a conservative Christian college in Michigan. \nHillsdale’s digital digest, Imprimis, features the writing of conservative thinkers like Rufo, who has worked with DeSantis to combat issues like critical race theory and gender identity. The publication also includes articles with titles, like “The January 6 Insurrection Hoax,” “The Disaster at Our Southern Border,” “Gender Ideology Run Amok,” “Critical Race Theory: What it is and How to Fight it,” and “Who is in Control? The need to Rein in Big Tech.”\n\n\nApparently, Ron Desatan wants to make Florida into one giant Prager U—a white nationalist, creationist, dogma center that creates mindless drones.\n\nAt this point, if Ron Desantis gets his way and creates these universities, they should be seen as paper degrees, not even worth the paper they're printed on. What an absolute insult to freedom of thought, truth, and knowledge. Ron Desantis is a demagogue of the highest order.",
">\n\nHe's like Trump on steroids.",
">\n\nDesantis is also like Mike Pence on steroids. He'd send all LGBTQIA+ people to conversion therapy and subject them to Alan Turing style torture if he knew he could get away with it.",
">\n\nDolores Umbridge enters chat",
">\n\nAt this point, I'm think Dolores Umbridge might have been the author's self-insert character",
">\n\nIt feels like Texas and Florida are in a competition to see who can destroy their state faster. They are actively encouraging the brain drain of the smartest, well-trained people. Maybe they are trying to make Mississippi feel better about itself?",
">\n\nWeird how California is about to be wildly in debt and Texas and Florida.....are not.",
">\n\nAny day now. The world's fifth largest GDP is going to go onto dept. Any day now.... probably about the time Regannomics starts trickling down.\n/s",
">\n\nFor those not familiar with New College, this is particularly dangerous at a school like this. New College has a unique academic environment that encourages independent thought, inquiry and exploration. Wikipedia can explain more of the details, but it's essentially a college version of a montessori school.",
">\n\nAs a New College graduate I can say it's more liberal than any Montessori school. It's a rigorous honor school with very small class sizes, that is ridiculously easy to flunk out in, even for smart kids. You'd see people dropping out like flies. Has a history of allowing/nurturing strikingly non-conventional elements, as long as the students could master the work. It could resemble a molotov cocktail against traditional colleges. There's no fraternities, sororities, no worship of collegial sports. Most of the trustees DeSantis is inserting would flunk out or never go there.",
">\n\nMost of the trustees Desantis named would flunk out of any school, to be honest.",
">\n\nExactly.",
">\n\nI was just thinking to myself the other day, \n“I can’t wait to spend my money sending my intelligent daughter to a red state college where a frat bro has more rights raping her, than she has rights over her own body.”\n“Plus I definitely want her lectured daily on books approved by the kookiest moms for Liberty school boards and constantly harassed to be super duper christian to the point where they groom and groom groom her into stupidity believing magic sky daddy has more power over her future than she does.”\nSeriously, who is signing up for this?",
">\n\nthis is part of the idea, they want to destroy education for people who are not on their side",
">\n\nThere is no actual separation of church and state in America. When’s the last fucking time a Republican got in trouble legislating their bastardized view of Christianity?",
">\n\nIt never seems to happen. They never seem to be condemned for trying to enforce Christianity, because they'll accuse you of hating Christianity if you say it. States still don't allow atheists to run for office today, which no one bats an eye about for some reason. You won't hear mainstream media talk about the war on atheists, but they'll go off every year about the war on Christmas. Just ludicrous, all the way.",
">\n\nAbsolutely. The south has pushed this bullshit and the northern elites don’t say shit about it lest the get sideways glances at the congressional country club. \nIt’s pathetic.",
">\n\nThis isn't conservatism, this is the Christian Taliban imposing its Christofascism..",
">\n\nYep. They are the Y'all Qaeda.",
">\n\nThis asshole thinks the whole state should be remade to his preference.\nYou were elected Governor, not King.",
">\n\nCombined with DeSantis’ attack on elementary schools, this attempt to control college education would assure that Florida doesn’t have people well-enough educated to supply businesses with the quality of employees they need. \nDecent parents, intelligent young adults, and businesses will be leaving Florida as fast as possible. The state will be left with mainly old people and stupid people, in other words, Republicans.",
">\n\nI was born in Florida and lived there all my life. I left last year. If I ever have children, I've decided I don't want to raise them in the hellhole that state has become.",
">\n\nOur best friends, a Latino couple, bought a condo there 20 years ago for retirement. They just sold it when DeSantis won reelection. They said they wouldn’t be comfortable there when their gay friends and their trans niece came to visit. She said, ‘I wonder if any of you would even come to visit.’",
">\n\nI'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest that this will entirely destroy this particular institution of learning. The students and faculty should be outraged and make every effort to sabotage this hostile takeover.",
">\n\nWhat can they do? They have no rights. They can't even just go to another school because they will be replaced with new students and professors that agree with DeSantis.",
">\n\nThis particular school presents a challenge in replacing the faculty and student body, especially with ones sympathetic to right wing politics and meddling. It's more likely the enrollment will simply crater and the school will be forced to close. IMO, this is the real goal where New College is concerned.",
">\n\nRufo is a creationist. This should violate the separation of church and state.",
">\n\nYup. He's just upset over losing at creationism, which is an ultimate loser as a paradigm.",
">\n\nSo, would that make it a conservative arts college?",
">\n\nConservative and art don't belong in the same sentence. Conservatives aren't good at art, from what I've seen of dry uterus loving Ben Shapiro & child marriage advocate Matt Walsh.",
">\n\nHey, True Allegiance was a work of art!\nSure, the specific type of art was \"parody of Ben Shapiro\" and it was unwitting self-parody, but it was still art!",
">\n\nI'm glad there won't be any \"indoctrination\""
] |
>
yeah these people have not learned fear
|
[
"Gov. Ron DeSantis appointed a group of hard-line conservative loyalists Friday into leadership positions at the New College of Florida, a move that comes as the Republican governor plots a remake of the state’s higher education system. \nSeveral of the appointees are vocal opponents of gender- and race-related education issues that have fueled the right’s culture wars in schools. They were picked as DeSantis, who is eyeing a potential 2024 White House run, vows to fight “philosophical lunacy” in the schools. \nOf the six appointed by DeSantis, the marquee names are Christopher Rufo, a conservative activist who helped turn critical race theory into a conservative rallying cry, and Matthew Spalding, a government professor at Hillsdale College, a conservative Christian college in Michigan. \nHillsdale’s digital digest, Imprimis, features the writing of conservative thinkers like Rufo, who has worked with DeSantis to combat issues like critical race theory and gender identity. The publication also includes articles with titles, like “The January 6 Insurrection Hoax,” “The Disaster at Our Southern Border,” “Gender Ideology Run Amok,” “Critical Race Theory: What it is and How to Fight it,” and “Who is in Control? The need to Rein in Big Tech.”\n\n\nApparently, Ron Desatan wants to make Florida into one giant Prager U—a white nationalist, creationist, dogma center that creates mindless drones.\n\nAt this point, if Ron Desantis gets his way and creates these universities, they should be seen as paper degrees, not even worth the paper they're printed on. What an absolute insult to freedom of thought, truth, and knowledge. Ron Desantis is a demagogue of the highest order.",
">\n\nHe's like Trump on steroids.",
">\n\nDesantis is also like Mike Pence on steroids. He'd send all LGBTQIA+ people to conversion therapy and subject them to Alan Turing style torture if he knew he could get away with it.",
">\n\nDolores Umbridge enters chat",
">\n\nAt this point, I'm think Dolores Umbridge might have been the author's self-insert character",
">\n\nIt feels like Texas and Florida are in a competition to see who can destroy their state faster. They are actively encouraging the brain drain of the smartest, well-trained people. Maybe they are trying to make Mississippi feel better about itself?",
">\n\nWeird how California is about to be wildly in debt and Texas and Florida.....are not.",
">\n\nAny day now. The world's fifth largest GDP is going to go onto dept. Any day now.... probably about the time Regannomics starts trickling down.\n/s",
">\n\nFor those not familiar with New College, this is particularly dangerous at a school like this. New College has a unique academic environment that encourages independent thought, inquiry and exploration. Wikipedia can explain more of the details, but it's essentially a college version of a montessori school.",
">\n\nAs a New College graduate I can say it's more liberal than any Montessori school. It's a rigorous honor school with very small class sizes, that is ridiculously easy to flunk out in, even for smart kids. You'd see people dropping out like flies. Has a history of allowing/nurturing strikingly non-conventional elements, as long as the students could master the work. It could resemble a molotov cocktail against traditional colleges. There's no fraternities, sororities, no worship of collegial sports. Most of the trustees DeSantis is inserting would flunk out or never go there.",
">\n\nMost of the trustees Desantis named would flunk out of any school, to be honest.",
">\n\nExactly.",
">\n\nI was just thinking to myself the other day, \n“I can’t wait to spend my money sending my intelligent daughter to a red state college where a frat bro has more rights raping her, than she has rights over her own body.”\n“Plus I definitely want her lectured daily on books approved by the kookiest moms for Liberty school boards and constantly harassed to be super duper christian to the point where they groom and groom groom her into stupidity believing magic sky daddy has more power over her future than she does.”\nSeriously, who is signing up for this?",
">\n\nthis is part of the idea, they want to destroy education for people who are not on their side",
">\n\nThere is no actual separation of church and state in America. When’s the last fucking time a Republican got in trouble legislating their bastardized view of Christianity?",
">\n\nIt never seems to happen. They never seem to be condemned for trying to enforce Christianity, because they'll accuse you of hating Christianity if you say it. States still don't allow atheists to run for office today, which no one bats an eye about for some reason. You won't hear mainstream media talk about the war on atheists, but they'll go off every year about the war on Christmas. Just ludicrous, all the way.",
">\n\nAbsolutely. The south has pushed this bullshit and the northern elites don’t say shit about it lest the get sideways glances at the congressional country club. \nIt’s pathetic.",
">\n\nThis isn't conservatism, this is the Christian Taliban imposing its Christofascism..",
">\n\nYep. They are the Y'all Qaeda.",
">\n\nThis asshole thinks the whole state should be remade to his preference.\nYou were elected Governor, not King.",
">\n\nCombined with DeSantis’ attack on elementary schools, this attempt to control college education would assure that Florida doesn’t have people well-enough educated to supply businesses with the quality of employees they need. \nDecent parents, intelligent young adults, and businesses will be leaving Florida as fast as possible. The state will be left with mainly old people and stupid people, in other words, Republicans.",
">\n\nI was born in Florida and lived there all my life. I left last year. If I ever have children, I've decided I don't want to raise them in the hellhole that state has become.",
">\n\nOur best friends, a Latino couple, bought a condo there 20 years ago for retirement. They just sold it when DeSantis won reelection. They said they wouldn’t be comfortable there when their gay friends and their trans niece came to visit. She said, ‘I wonder if any of you would even come to visit.’",
">\n\nI'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest that this will entirely destroy this particular institution of learning. The students and faculty should be outraged and make every effort to sabotage this hostile takeover.",
">\n\nWhat can they do? They have no rights. They can't even just go to another school because they will be replaced with new students and professors that agree with DeSantis.",
">\n\nThis particular school presents a challenge in replacing the faculty and student body, especially with ones sympathetic to right wing politics and meddling. It's more likely the enrollment will simply crater and the school will be forced to close. IMO, this is the real goal where New College is concerned.",
">\n\nRufo is a creationist. This should violate the separation of church and state.",
">\n\nYup. He's just upset over losing at creationism, which is an ultimate loser as a paradigm.",
">\n\nSo, would that make it a conservative arts college?",
">\n\nConservative and art don't belong in the same sentence. Conservatives aren't good at art, from what I've seen of dry uterus loving Ben Shapiro & child marriage advocate Matt Walsh.",
">\n\nHey, True Allegiance was a work of art!\nSure, the specific type of art was \"parody of Ben Shapiro\" and it was unwitting self-parody, but it was still art!",
">\n\nI'm glad there won't be any \"indoctrination\"",
">\n\nrufo is such a creepy little worm\ni think it’s really obvious that rufo and the rest of this big group of fascists don’t really care about what it is that gets them into power. they don’t care about crt or trans people or any of it. they just want to dominate people.\nif crt and progressive/leftist values actually were seeking to dominate people against their will like all these freak shows say, rufo and desantis would be leftists"
] |
>
False
Evidence
Appearing
Real
This is what runs in the conservative mind. Religion teaches it to them from a young age, and they never outgrow it, unfortunately.
|
[
"Gov. Ron DeSantis appointed a group of hard-line conservative loyalists Friday into leadership positions at the New College of Florida, a move that comes as the Republican governor plots a remake of the state’s higher education system. \nSeveral of the appointees are vocal opponents of gender- and race-related education issues that have fueled the right’s culture wars in schools. They were picked as DeSantis, who is eyeing a potential 2024 White House run, vows to fight “philosophical lunacy” in the schools. \nOf the six appointed by DeSantis, the marquee names are Christopher Rufo, a conservative activist who helped turn critical race theory into a conservative rallying cry, and Matthew Spalding, a government professor at Hillsdale College, a conservative Christian college in Michigan. \nHillsdale’s digital digest, Imprimis, features the writing of conservative thinkers like Rufo, who has worked with DeSantis to combat issues like critical race theory and gender identity. The publication also includes articles with titles, like “The January 6 Insurrection Hoax,” “The Disaster at Our Southern Border,” “Gender Ideology Run Amok,” “Critical Race Theory: What it is and How to Fight it,” and “Who is in Control? The need to Rein in Big Tech.”\n\n\nApparently, Ron Desatan wants to make Florida into one giant Prager U—a white nationalist, creationist, dogma center that creates mindless drones.\n\nAt this point, if Ron Desantis gets his way and creates these universities, they should be seen as paper degrees, not even worth the paper they're printed on. What an absolute insult to freedom of thought, truth, and knowledge. Ron Desantis is a demagogue of the highest order.",
">\n\nHe's like Trump on steroids.",
">\n\nDesantis is also like Mike Pence on steroids. He'd send all LGBTQIA+ people to conversion therapy and subject them to Alan Turing style torture if he knew he could get away with it.",
">\n\nDolores Umbridge enters chat",
">\n\nAt this point, I'm think Dolores Umbridge might have been the author's self-insert character",
">\n\nIt feels like Texas and Florida are in a competition to see who can destroy their state faster. They are actively encouraging the brain drain of the smartest, well-trained people. Maybe they are trying to make Mississippi feel better about itself?",
">\n\nWeird how California is about to be wildly in debt and Texas and Florida.....are not.",
">\n\nAny day now. The world's fifth largest GDP is going to go onto dept. Any day now.... probably about the time Regannomics starts trickling down.\n/s",
">\n\nFor those not familiar with New College, this is particularly dangerous at a school like this. New College has a unique academic environment that encourages independent thought, inquiry and exploration. Wikipedia can explain more of the details, but it's essentially a college version of a montessori school.",
">\n\nAs a New College graduate I can say it's more liberal than any Montessori school. It's a rigorous honor school with very small class sizes, that is ridiculously easy to flunk out in, even for smart kids. You'd see people dropping out like flies. Has a history of allowing/nurturing strikingly non-conventional elements, as long as the students could master the work. It could resemble a molotov cocktail against traditional colleges. There's no fraternities, sororities, no worship of collegial sports. Most of the trustees DeSantis is inserting would flunk out or never go there.",
">\n\nMost of the trustees Desantis named would flunk out of any school, to be honest.",
">\n\nExactly.",
">\n\nI was just thinking to myself the other day, \n“I can’t wait to spend my money sending my intelligent daughter to a red state college where a frat bro has more rights raping her, than she has rights over her own body.”\n“Plus I definitely want her lectured daily on books approved by the kookiest moms for Liberty school boards and constantly harassed to be super duper christian to the point where they groom and groom groom her into stupidity believing magic sky daddy has more power over her future than she does.”\nSeriously, who is signing up for this?",
">\n\nthis is part of the idea, they want to destroy education for people who are not on their side",
">\n\nThere is no actual separation of church and state in America. When’s the last fucking time a Republican got in trouble legislating their bastardized view of Christianity?",
">\n\nIt never seems to happen. They never seem to be condemned for trying to enforce Christianity, because they'll accuse you of hating Christianity if you say it. States still don't allow atheists to run for office today, which no one bats an eye about for some reason. You won't hear mainstream media talk about the war on atheists, but they'll go off every year about the war on Christmas. Just ludicrous, all the way.",
">\n\nAbsolutely. The south has pushed this bullshit and the northern elites don’t say shit about it lest the get sideways glances at the congressional country club. \nIt’s pathetic.",
">\n\nThis isn't conservatism, this is the Christian Taliban imposing its Christofascism..",
">\n\nYep. They are the Y'all Qaeda.",
">\n\nThis asshole thinks the whole state should be remade to his preference.\nYou were elected Governor, not King.",
">\n\nCombined with DeSantis’ attack on elementary schools, this attempt to control college education would assure that Florida doesn’t have people well-enough educated to supply businesses with the quality of employees they need. \nDecent parents, intelligent young adults, and businesses will be leaving Florida as fast as possible. The state will be left with mainly old people and stupid people, in other words, Republicans.",
">\n\nI was born in Florida and lived there all my life. I left last year. If I ever have children, I've decided I don't want to raise them in the hellhole that state has become.",
">\n\nOur best friends, a Latino couple, bought a condo there 20 years ago for retirement. They just sold it when DeSantis won reelection. They said they wouldn’t be comfortable there when their gay friends and their trans niece came to visit. She said, ‘I wonder if any of you would even come to visit.’",
">\n\nI'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest that this will entirely destroy this particular institution of learning. The students and faculty should be outraged and make every effort to sabotage this hostile takeover.",
">\n\nWhat can they do? They have no rights. They can't even just go to another school because they will be replaced with new students and professors that agree with DeSantis.",
">\n\nThis particular school presents a challenge in replacing the faculty and student body, especially with ones sympathetic to right wing politics and meddling. It's more likely the enrollment will simply crater and the school will be forced to close. IMO, this is the real goal where New College is concerned.",
">\n\nRufo is a creationist. This should violate the separation of church and state.",
">\n\nYup. He's just upset over losing at creationism, which is an ultimate loser as a paradigm.",
">\n\nSo, would that make it a conservative arts college?",
">\n\nConservative and art don't belong in the same sentence. Conservatives aren't good at art, from what I've seen of dry uterus loving Ben Shapiro & child marriage advocate Matt Walsh.",
">\n\nHey, True Allegiance was a work of art!\nSure, the specific type of art was \"parody of Ben Shapiro\" and it was unwitting self-parody, but it was still art!",
">\n\nI'm glad there won't be any \"indoctrination\"",
">\n\nrufo is such a creepy little worm\ni think it’s really obvious that rufo and the rest of this big group of fascists don’t really care about what it is that gets them into power. they don’t care about crt or trans people or any of it. they just want to dominate people.\nif crt and progressive/leftist values actually were seeking to dominate people against their will like all these freak shows say, rufo and desantis would be leftists",
">\n\nyeah these people have not learned fear"
] |
>
Can someone help me understand why DeSantis is able to personally choose administrators for a university?
|
[
"Gov. Ron DeSantis appointed a group of hard-line conservative loyalists Friday into leadership positions at the New College of Florida, a move that comes as the Republican governor plots a remake of the state’s higher education system. \nSeveral of the appointees are vocal opponents of gender- and race-related education issues that have fueled the right’s culture wars in schools. They were picked as DeSantis, who is eyeing a potential 2024 White House run, vows to fight “philosophical lunacy” in the schools. \nOf the six appointed by DeSantis, the marquee names are Christopher Rufo, a conservative activist who helped turn critical race theory into a conservative rallying cry, and Matthew Spalding, a government professor at Hillsdale College, a conservative Christian college in Michigan. \nHillsdale’s digital digest, Imprimis, features the writing of conservative thinkers like Rufo, who has worked with DeSantis to combat issues like critical race theory and gender identity. The publication also includes articles with titles, like “The January 6 Insurrection Hoax,” “The Disaster at Our Southern Border,” “Gender Ideology Run Amok,” “Critical Race Theory: What it is and How to Fight it,” and “Who is in Control? The need to Rein in Big Tech.”\n\n\nApparently, Ron Desatan wants to make Florida into one giant Prager U—a white nationalist, creationist, dogma center that creates mindless drones.\n\nAt this point, if Ron Desantis gets his way and creates these universities, they should be seen as paper degrees, not even worth the paper they're printed on. What an absolute insult to freedom of thought, truth, and knowledge. Ron Desantis is a demagogue of the highest order.",
">\n\nHe's like Trump on steroids.",
">\n\nDesantis is also like Mike Pence on steroids. He'd send all LGBTQIA+ people to conversion therapy and subject them to Alan Turing style torture if he knew he could get away with it.",
">\n\nDolores Umbridge enters chat",
">\n\nAt this point, I'm think Dolores Umbridge might have been the author's self-insert character",
">\n\nIt feels like Texas and Florida are in a competition to see who can destroy their state faster. They are actively encouraging the brain drain of the smartest, well-trained people. Maybe they are trying to make Mississippi feel better about itself?",
">\n\nWeird how California is about to be wildly in debt and Texas and Florida.....are not.",
">\n\nAny day now. The world's fifth largest GDP is going to go onto dept. Any day now.... probably about the time Regannomics starts trickling down.\n/s",
">\n\nFor those not familiar with New College, this is particularly dangerous at a school like this. New College has a unique academic environment that encourages independent thought, inquiry and exploration. Wikipedia can explain more of the details, but it's essentially a college version of a montessori school.",
">\n\nAs a New College graduate I can say it's more liberal than any Montessori school. It's a rigorous honor school with very small class sizes, that is ridiculously easy to flunk out in, even for smart kids. You'd see people dropping out like flies. Has a history of allowing/nurturing strikingly non-conventional elements, as long as the students could master the work. It could resemble a molotov cocktail against traditional colleges. There's no fraternities, sororities, no worship of collegial sports. Most of the trustees DeSantis is inserting would flunk out or never go there.",
">\n\nMost of the trustees Desantis named would flunk out of any school, to be honest.",
">\n\nExactly.",
">\n\nI was just thinking to myself the other day, \n“I can’t wait to spend my money sending my intelligent daughter to a red state college where a frat bro has more rights raping her, than she has rights over her own body.”\n“Plus I definitely want her lectured daily on books approved by the kookiest moms for Liberty school boards and constantly harassed to be super duper christian to the point where they groom and groom groom her into stupidity believing magic sky daddy has more power over her future than she does.”\nSeriously, who is signing up for this?",
">\n\nthis is part of the idea, they want to destroy education for people who are not on their side",
">\n\nThere is no actual separation of church and state in America. When’s the last fucking time a Republican got in trouble legislating their bastardized view of Christianity?",
">\n\nIt never seems to happen. They never seem to be condemned for trying to enforce Christianity, because they'll accuse you of hating Christianity if you say it. States still don't allow atheists to run for office today, which no one bats an eye about for some reason. You won't hear mainstream media talk about the war on atheists, but they'll go off every year about the war on Christmas. Just ludicrous, all the way.",
">\n\nAbsolutely. The south has pushed this bullshit and the northern elites don’t say shit about it lest the get sideways glances at the congressional country club. \nIt’s pathetic.",
">\n\nThis isn't conservatism, this is the Christian Taliban imposing its Christofascism..",
">\n\nYep. They are the Y'all Qaeda.",
">\n\nThis asshole thinks the whole state should be remade to his preference.\nYou were elected Governor, not King.",
">\n\nCombined with DeSantis’ attack on elementary schools, this attempt to control college education would assure that Florida doesn’t have people well-enough educated to supply businesses with the quality of employees they need. \nDecent parents, intelligent young adults, and businesses will be leaving Florida as fast as possible. The state will be left with mainly old people and stupid people, in other words, Republicans.",
">\n\nI was born in Florida and lived there all my life. I left last year. If I ever have children, I've decided I don't want to raise them in the hellhole that state has become.",
">\n\nOur best friends, a Latino couple, bought a condo there 20 years ago for retirement. They just sold it when DeSantis won reelection. They said they wouldn’t be comfortable there when their gay friends and their trans niece came to visit. She said, ‘I wonder if any of you would even come to visit.’",
">\n\nI'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest that this will entirely destroy this particular institution of learning. The students and faculty should be outraged and make every effort to sabotage this hostile takeover.",
">\n\nWhat can they do? They have no rights. They can't even just go to another school because they will be replaced with new students and professors that agree with DeSantis.",
">\n\nThis particular school presents a challenge in replacing the faculty and student body, especially with ones sympathetic to right wing politics and meddling. It's more likely the enrollment will simply crater and the school will be forced to close. IMO, this is the real goal where New College is concerned.",
">\n\nRufo is a creationist. This should violate the separation of church and state.",
">\n\nYup. He's just upset over losing at creationism, which is an ultimate loser as a paradigm.",
">\n\nSo, would that make it a conservative arts college?",
">\n\nConservative and art don't belong in the same sentence. Conservatives aren't good at art, from what I've seen of dry uterus loving Ben Shapiro & child marriage advocate Matt Walsh.",
">\n\nHey, True Allegiance was a work of art!\nSure, the specific type of art was \"parody of Ben Shapiro\" and it was unwitting self-parody, but it was still art!",
">\n\nI'm glad there won't be any \"indoctrination\"",
">\n\nrufo is such a creepy little worm\ni think it’s really obvious that rufo and the rest of this big group of fascists don’t really care about what it is that gets them into power. they don’t care about crt or trans people or any of it. they just want to dominate people.\nif crt and progressive/leftist values actually were seeking to dominate people against their will like all these freak shows say, rufo and desantis would be leftists",
">\n\nyeah these people have not learned fear",
">\n\nFalse\nEvidence\nAppearing\nReal\n\nThis is what runs in the conservative mind. Religion teaches it to them from a young age, and they never outgrow it, unfortunately."
] |
>
I'm guessing it's a state school. So technically it falls under his final jurisdiction since it's run partially on tax payer money.
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[
"Gov. Ron DeSantis appointed a group of hard-line conservative loyalists Friday into leadership positions at the New College of Florida, a move that comes as the Republican governor plots a remake of the state’s higher education system. \nSeveral of the appointees are vocal opponents of gender- and race-related education issues that have fueled the right’s culture wars in schools. They were picked as DeSantis, who is eyeing a potential 2024 White House run, vows to fight “philosophical lunacy” in the schools. \nOf the six appointed by DeSantis, the marquee names are Christopher Rufo, a conservative activist who helped turn critical race theory into a conservative rallying cry, and Matthew Spalding, a government professor at Hillsdale College, a conservative Christian college in Michigan. \nHillsdale’s digital digest, Imprimis, features the writing of conservative thinkers like Rufo, who has worked with DeSantis to combat issues like critical race theory and gender identity. The publication also includes articles with titles, like “The January 6 Insurrection Hoax,” “The Disaster at Our Southern Border,” “Gender Ideology Run Amok,” “Critical Race Theory: What it is and How to Fight it,” and “Who is in Control? The need to Rein in Big Tech.”\n\n\nApparently, Ron Desatan wants to make Florida into one giant Prager U—a white nationalist, creationist, dogma center that creates mindless drones.\n\nAt this point, if Ron Desantis gets his way and creates these universities, they should be seen as paper degrees, not even worth the paper they're printed on. What an absolute insult to freedom of thought, truth, and knowledge. Ron Desantis is a demagogue of the highest order.",
">\n\nHe's like Trump on steroids.",
">\n\nDesantis is also like Mike Pence on steroids. He'd send all LGBTQIA+ people to conversion therapy and subject them to Alan Turing style torture if he knew he could get away with it.",
">\n\nDolores Umbridge enters chat",
">\n\nAt this point, I'm think Dolores Umbridge might have been the author's self-insert character",
">\n\nIt feels like Texas and Florida are in a competition to see who can destroy their state faster. They are actively encouraging the brain drain of the smartest, well-trained people. Maybe they are trying to make Mississippi feel better about itself?",
">\n\nWeird how California is about to be wildly in debt and Texas and Florida.....are not.",
">\n\nAny day now. The world's fifth largest GDP is going to go onto dept. Any day now.... probably about the time Regannomics starts trickling down.\n/s",
">\n\nFor those not familiar with New College, this is particularly dangerous at a school like this. New College has a unique academic environment that encourages independent thought, inquiry and exploration. Wikipedia can explain more of the details, but it's essentially a college version of a montessori school.",
">\n\nAs a New College graduate I can say it's more liberal than any Montessori school. It's a rigorous honor school with very small class sizes, that is ridiculously easy to flunk out in, even for smart kids. You'd see people dropping out like flies. Has a history of allowing/nurturing strikingly non-conventional elements, as long as the students could master the work. It could resemble a molotov cocktail against traditional colleges. There's no fraternities, sororities, no worship of collegial sports. Most of the trustees DeSantis is inserting would flunk out or never go there.",
">\n\nMost of the trustees Desantis named would flunk out of any school, to be honest.",
">\n\nExactly.",
">\n\nI was just thinking to myself the other day, \n“I can’t wait to spend my money sending my intelligent daughter to a red state college where a frat bro has more rights raping her, than she has rights over her own body.”\n“Plus I definitely want her lectured daily on books approved by the kookiest moms for Liberty school boards and constantly harassed to be super duper christian to the point where they groom and groom groom her into stupidity believing magic sky daddy has more power over her future than she does.”\nSeriously, who is signing up for this?",
">\n\nthis is part of the idea, they want to destroy education for people who are not on their side",
">\n\nThere is no actual separation of church and state in America. When’s the last fucking time a Republican got in trouble legislating their bastardized view of Christianity?",
">\n\nIt never seems to happen. They never seem to be condemned for trying to enforce Christianity, because they'll accuse you of hating Christianity if you say it. States still don't allow atheists to run for office today, which no one bats an eye about for some reason. You won't hear mainstream media talk about the war on atheists, but they'll go off every year about the war on Christmas. Just ludicrous, all the way.",
">\n\nAbsolutely. The south has pushed this bullshit and the northern elites don’t say shit about it lest the get sideways glances at the congressional country club. \nIt’s pathetic.",
">\n\nThis isn't conservatism, this is the Christian Taliban imposing its Christofascism..",
">\n\nYep. They are the Y'all Qaeda.",
">\n\nThis asshole thinks the whole state should be remade to his preference.\nYou were elected Governor, not King.",
">\n\nCombined with DeSantis’ attack on elementary schools, this attempt to control college education would assure that Florida doesn’t have people well-enough educated to supply businesses with the quality of employees they need. \nDecent parents, intelligent young adults, and businesses will be leaving Florida as fast as possible. The state will be left with mainly old people and stupid people, in other words, Republicans.",
">\n\nI was born in Florida and lived there all my life. I left last year. If I ever have children, I've decided I don't want to raise them in the hellhole that state has become.",
">\n\nOur best friends, a Latino couple, bought a condo there 20 years ago for retirement. They just sold it when DeSantis won reelection. They said they wouldn’t be comfortable there when their gay friends and their trans niece came to visit. She said, ‘I wonder if any of you would even come to visit.’",
">\n\nI'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest that this will entirely destroy this particular institution of learning. The students and faculty should be outraged and make every effort to sabotage this hostile takeover.",
">\n\nWhat can they do? They have no rights. They can't even just go to another school because they will be replaced with new students and professors that agree with DeSantis.",
">\n\nThis particular school presents a challenge in replacing the faculty and student body, especially with ones sympathetic to right wing politics and meddling. It's more likely the enrollment will simply crater and the school will be forced to close. IMO, this is the real goal where New College is concerned.",
">\n\nRufo is a creationist. This should violate the separation of church and state.",
">\n\nYup. He's just upset over losing at creationism, which is an ultimate loser as a paradigm.",
">\n\nSo, would that make it a conservative arts college?",
">\n\nConservative and art don't belong in the same sentence. Conservatives aren't good at art, from what I've seen of dry uterus loving Ben Shapiro & child marriage advocate Matt Walsh.",
">\n\nHey, True Allegiance was a work of art!\nSure, the specific type of art was \"parody of Ben Shapiro\" and it was unwitting self-parody, but it was still art!",
">\n\nI'm glad there won't be any \"indoctrination\"",
">\n\nrufo is such a creepy little worm\ni think it’s really obvious that rufo and the rest of this big group of fascists don’t really care about what it is that gets them into power. they don’t care about crt or trans people or any of it. they just want to dominate people.\nif crt and progressive/leftist values actually were seeking to dominate people against their will like all these freak shows say, rufo and desantis would be leftists",
">\n\nyeah these people have not learned fear",
">\n\nFalse\nEvidence\nAppearing\nReal\n\nThis is what runs in the conservative mind. Religion teaches it to them from a young age, and they never outgrow it, unfortunately.",
">\n\nCan someone help me understand why DeSantis is able to personally choose administrators for a university?"
] |
>
Bill Lee tryin the same shit with hillsdale in TN and charter schools.
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[
"Gov. Ron DeSantis appointed a group of hard-line conservative loyalists Friday into leadership positions at the New College of Florida, a move that comes as the Republican governor plots a remake of the state’s higher education system. \nSeveral of the appointees are vocal opponents of gender- and race-related education issues that have fueled the right’s culture wars in schools. They were picked as DeSantis, who is eyeing a potential 2024 White House run, vows to fight “philosophical lunacy” in the schools. \nOf the six appointed by DeSantis, the marquee names are Christopher Rufo, a conservative activist who helped turn critical race theory into a conservative rallying cry, and Matthew Spalding, a government professor at Hillsdale College, a conservative Christian college in Michigan. \nHillsdale’s digital digest, Imprimis, features the writing of conservative thinkers like Rufo, who has worked with DeSantis to combat issues like critical race theory and gender identity. The publication also includes articles with titles, like “The January 6 Insurrection Hoax,” “The Disaster at Our Southern Border,” “Gender Ideology Run Amok,” “Critical Race Theory: What it is and How to Fight it,” and “Who is in Control? The need to Rein in Big Tech.”\n\n\nApparently, Ron Desatan wants to make Florida into one giant Prager U—a white nationalist, creationist, dogma center that creates mindless drones.\n\nAt this point, if Ron Desantis gets his way and creates these universities, they should be seen as paper degrees, not even worth the paper they're printed on. What an absolute insult to freedom of thought, truth, and knowledge. Ron Desantis is a demagogue of the highest order.",
">\n\nHe's like Trump on steroids.",
">\n\nDesantis is also like Mike Pence on steroids. He'd send all LGBTQIA+ people to conversion therapy and subject them to Alan Turing style torture if he knew he could get away with it.",
">\n\nDolores Umbridge enters chat",
">\n\nAt this point, I'm think Dolores Umbridge might have been the author's self-insert character",
">\n\nIt feels like Texas and Florida are in a competition to see who can destroy their state faster. They are actively encouraging the brain drain of the smartest, well-trained people. Maybe they are trying to make Mississippi feel better about itself?",
">\n\nWeird how California is about to be wildly in debt and Texas and Florida.....are not.",
">\n\nAny day now. The world's fifth largest GDP is going to go onto dept. Any day now.... probably about the time Regannomics starts trickling down.\n/s",
">\n\nFor those not familiar with New College, this is particularly dangerous at a school like this. New College has a unique academic environment that encourages independent thought, inquiry and exploration. Wikipedia can explain more of the details, but it's essentially a college version of a montessori school.",
">\n\nAs a New College graduate I can say it's more liberal than any Montessori school. It's a rigorous honor school with very small class sizes, that is ridiculously easy to flunk out in, even for smart kids. You'd see people dropping out like flies. Has a history of allowing/nurturing strikingly non-conventional elements, as long as the students could master the work. It could resemble a molotov cocktail against traditional colleges. There's no fraternities, sororities, no worship of collegial sports. Most of the trustees DeSantis is inserting would flunk out or never go there.",
">\n\nMost of the trustees Desantis named would flunk out of any school, to be honest.",
">\n\nExactly.",
">\n\nI was just thinking to myself the other day, \n“I can’t wait to spend my money sending my intelligent daughter to a red state college where a frat bro has more rights raping her, than she has rights over her own body.”\n“Plus I definitely want her lectured daily on books approved by the kookiest moms for Liberty school boards and constantly harassed to be super duper christian to the point where they groom and groom groom her into stupidity believing magic sky daddy has more power over her future than she does.”\nSeriously, who is signing up for this?",
">\n\nthis is part of the idea, they want to destroy education for people who are not on their side",
">\n\nThere is no actual separation of church and state in America. When’s the last fucking time a Republican got in trouble legislating their bastardized view of Christianity?",
">\n\nIt never seems to happen. They never seem to be condemned for trying to enforce Christianity, because they'll accuse you of hating Christianity if you say it. States still don't allow atheists to run for office today, which no one bats an eye about for some reason. You won't hear mainstream media talk about the war on atheists, but they'll go off every year about the war on Christmas. Just ludicrous, all the way.",
">\n\nAbsolutely. The south has pushed this bullshit and the northern elites don’t say shit about it lest the get sideways glances at the congressional country club. \nIt’s pathetic.",
">\n\nThis isn't conservatism, this is the Christian Taliban imposing its Christofascism..",
">\n\nYep. They are the Y'all Qaeda.",
">\n\nThis asshole thinks the whole state should be remade to his preference.\nYou were elected Governor, not King.",
">\n\nCombined with DeSantis’ attack on elementary schools, this attempt to control college education would assure that Florida doesn’t have people well-enough educated to supply businesses with the quality of employees they need. \nDecent parents, intelligent young adults, and businesses will be leaving Florida as fast as possible. The state will be left with mainly old people and stupid people, in other words, Republicans.",
">\n\nI was born in Florida and lived there all my life. I left last year. If I ever have children, I've decided I don't want to raise them in the hellhole that state has become.",
">\n\nOur best friends, a Latino couple, bought a condo there 20 years ago for retirement. They just sold it when DeSantis won reelection. They said they wouldn’t be comfortable there when their gay friends and their trans niece came to visit. She said, ‘I wonder if any of you would even come to visit.’",
">\n\nI'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest that this will entirely destroy this particular institution of learning. The students and faculty should be outraged and make every effort to sabotage this hostile takeover.",
">\n\nWhat can they do? They have no rights. They can't even just go to another school because they will be replaced with new students and professors that agree with DeSantis.",
">\n\nThis particular school presents a challenge in replacing the faculty and student body, especially with ones sympathetic to right wing politics and meddling. It's more likely the enrollment will simply crater and the school will be forced to close. IMO, this is the real goal where New College is concerned.",
">\n\nRufo is a creationist. This should violate the separation of church and state.",
">\n\nYup. He's just upset over losing at creationism, which is an ultimate loser as a paradigm.",
">\n\nSo, would that make it a conservative arts college?",
">\n\nConservative and art don't belong in the same sentence. Conservatives aren't good at art, from what I've seen of dry uterus loving Ben Shapiro & child marriage advocate Matt Walsh.",
">\n\nHey, True Allegiance was a work of art!\nSure, the specific type of art was \"parody of Ben Shapiro\" and it was unwitting self-parody, but it was still art!",
">\n\nI'm glad there won't be any \"indoctrination\"",
">\n\nrufo is such a creepy little worm\ni think it’s really obvious that rufo and the rest of this big group of fascists don’t really care about what it is that gets them into power. they don’t care about crt or trans people or any of it. they just want to dominate people.\nif crt and progressive/leftist values actually were seeking to dominate people against their will like all these freak shows say, rufo and desantis would be leftists",
">\n\nyeah these people have not learned fear",
">\n\nFalse\nEvidence\nAppearing\nReal\n\nThis is what runs in the conservative mind. Religion teaches it to them from a young age, and they never outgrow it, unfortunately.",
">\n\nCan someone help me understand why DeSantis is able to personally choose administrators for a university?",
">\n\nI'm guessing it's a state school. So technically it falls under his final jurisdiction since it's run partially on tax payer money."
] |
>
I can't wait until this guy goes national and all the Independents get to hear about this stuff for the first time.
|
[
"Gov. Ron DeSantis appointed a group of hard-line conservative loyalists Friday into leadership positions at the New College of Florida, a move that comes as the Republican governor plots a remake of the state’s higher education system. \nSeveral of the appointees are vocal opponents of gender- and race-related education issues that have fueled the right’s culture wars in schools. They were picked as DeSantis, who is eyeing a potential 2024 White House run, vows to fight “philosophical lunacy” in the schools. \nOf the six appointed by DeSantis, the marquee names are Christopher Rufo, a conservative activist who helped turn critical race theory into a conservative rallying cry, and Matthew Spalding, a government professor at Hillsdale College, a conservative Christian college in Michigan. \nHillsdale’s digital digest, Imprimis, features the writing of conservative thinkers like Rufo, who has worked with DeSantis to combat issues like critical race theory and gender identity. The publication also includes articles with titles, like “The January 6 Insurrection Hoax,” “The Disaster at Our Southern Border,” “Gender Ideology Run Amok,” “Critical Race Theory: What it is and How to Fight it,” and “Who is in Control? The need to Rein in Big Tech.”\n\n\nApparently, Ron Desatan wants to make Florida into one giant Prager U—a white nationalist, creationist, dogma center that creates mindless drones.\n\nAt this point, if Ron Desantis gets his way and creates these universities, they should be seen as paper degrees, not even worth the paper they're printed on. What an absolute insult to freedom of thought, truth, and knowledge. Ron Desantis is a demagogue of the highest order.",
">\n\nHe's like Trump on steroids.",
">\n\nDesantis is also like Mike Pence on steroids. He'd send all LGBTQIA+ people to conversion therapy and subject them to Alan Turing style torture if he knew he could get away with it.",
">\n\nDolores Umbridge enters chat",
">\n\nAt this point, I'm think Dolores Umbridge might have been the author's self-insert character",
">\n\nIt feels like Texas and Florida are in a competition to see who can destroy their state faster. They are actively encouraging the brain drain of the smartest, well-trained people. Maybe they are trying to make Mississippi feel better about itself?",
">\n\nWeird how California is about to be wildly in debt and Texas and Florida.....are not.",
">\n\nAny day now. The world's fifth largest GDP is going to go onto dept. Any day now.... probably about the time Regannomics starts trickling down.\n/s",
">\n\nFor those not familiar with New College, this is particularly dangerous at a school like this. New College has a unique academic environment that encourages independent thought, inquiry and exploration. Wikipedia can explain more of the details, but it's essentially a college version of a montessori school.",
">\n\nAs a New College graduate I can say it's more liberal than any Montessori school. It's a rigorous honor school with very small class sizes, that is ridiculously easy to flunk out in, even for smart kids. You'd see people dropping out like flies. Has a history of allowing/nurturing strikingly non-conventional elements, as long as the students could master the work. It could resemble a molotov cocktail against traditional colleges. There's no fraternities, sororities, no worship of collegial sports. Most of the trustees DeSantis is inserting would flunk out or never go there.",
">\n\nMost of the trustees Desantis named would flunk out of any school, to be honest.",
">\n\nExactly.",
">\n\nI was just thinking to myself the other day, \n“I can’t wait to spend my money sending my intelligent daughter to a red state college where a frat bro has more rights raping her, than she has rights over her own body.”\n“Plus I definitely want her lectured daily on books approved by the kookiest moms for Liberty school boards and constantly harassed to be super duper christian to the point where they groom and groom groom her into stupidity believing magic sky daddy has more power over her future than she does.”\nSeriously, who is signing up for this?",
">\n\nthis is part of the idea, they want to destroy education for people who are not on their side",
">\n\nThere is no actual separation of church and state in America. When’s the last fucking time a Republican got in trouble legislating their bastardized view of Christianity?",
">\n\nIt never seems to happen. They never seem to be condemned for trying to enforce Christianity, because they'll accuse you of hating Christianity if you say it. States still don't allow atheists to run for office today, which no one bats an eye about for some reason. You won't hear mainstream media talk about the war on atheists, but they'll go off every year about the war on Christmas. Just ludicrous, all the way.",
">\n\nAbsolutely. The south has pushed this bullshit and the northern elites don’t say shit about it lest the get sideways glances at the congressional country club. \nIt’s pathetic.",
">\n\nThis isn't conservatism, this is the Christian Taliban imposing its Christofascism..",
">\n\nYep. They are the Y'all Qaeda.",
">\n\nThis asshole thinks the whole state should be remade to his preference.\nYou were elected Governor, not King.",
">\n\nCombined with DeSantis’ attack on elementary schools, this attempt to control college education would assure that Florida doesn’t have people well-enough educated to supply businesses with the quality of employees they need. \nDecent parents, intelligent young adults, and businesses will be leaving Florida as fast as possible. The state will be left with mainly old people and stupid people, in other words, Republicans.",
">\n\nI was born in Florida and lived there all my life. I left last year. If I ever have children, I've decided I don't want to raise them in the hellhole that state has become.",
">\n\nOur best friends, a Latino couple, bought a condo there 20 years ago for retirement. They just sold it when DeSantis won reelection. They said they wouldn’t be comfortable there when their gay friends and their trans niece came to visit. She said, ‘I wonder if any of you would even come to visit.’",
">\n\nI'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest that this will entirely destroy this particular institution of learning. The students and faculty should be outraged and make every effort to sabotage this hostile takeover.",
">\n\nWhat can they do? They have no rights. They can't even just go to another school because they will be replaced with new students and professors that agree with DeSantis.",
">\n\nThis particular school presents a challenge in replacing the faculty and student body, especially with ones sympathetic to right wing politics and meddling. It's more likely the enrollment will simply crater and the school will be forced to close. IMO, this is the real goal where New College is concerned.",
">\n\nRufo is a creationist. This should violate the separation of church and state.",
">\n\nYup. He's just upset over losing at creationism, which is an ultimate loser as a paradigm.",
">\n\nSo, would that make it a conservative arts college?",
">\n\nConservative and art don't belong in the same sentence. Conservatives aren't good at art, from what I've seen of dry uterus loving Ben Shapiro & child marriage advocate Matt Walsh.",
">\n\nHey, True Allegiance was a work of art!\nSure, the specific type of art was \"parody of Ben Shapiro\" and it was unwitting self-parody, but it was still art!",
">\n\nI'm glad there won't be any \"indoctrination\"",
">\n\nrufo is such a creepy little worm\ni think it’s really obvious that rufo and the rest of this big group of fascists don’t really care about what it is that gets them into power. they don’t care about crt or trans people or any of it. they just want to dominate people.\nif crt and progressive/leftist values actually were seeking to dominate people against their will like all these freak shows say, rufo and desantis would be leftists",
">\n\nyeah these people have not learned fear",
">\n\nFalse\nEvidence\nAppearing\nReal\n\nThis is what runs in the conservative mind. Religion teaches it to them from a young age, and they never outgrow it, unfortunately.",
">\n\nCan someone help me understand why DeSantis is able to personally choose administrators for a university?",
">\n\nI'm guessing it's a state school. So technically it falls under his final jurisdiction since it's run partially on tax payer money.",
">\n\nBill Lee tryin the same shit with hillsdale in TN and charter schools."
] |
>
more authoritarian fascism - the brain drain that's expected to hit flordia in the next 15 years will cripple the entire state. smart people don't like fascism and will not attend your schools and will flee and not return leaving no one to run the state.
|
[
"Gov. Ron DeSantis appointed a group of hard-line conservative loyalists Friday into leadership positions at the New College of Florida, a move that comes as the Republican governor plots a remake of the state’s higher education system. \nSeveral of the appointees are vocal opponents of gender- and race-related education issues that have fueled the right’s culture wars in schools. They were picked as DeSantis, who is eyeing a potential 2024 White House run, vows to fight “philosophical lunacy” in the schools. \nOf the six appointed by DeSantis, the marquee names are Christopher Rufo, a conservative activist who helped turn critical race theory into a conservative rallying cry, and Matthew Spalding, a government professor at Hillsdale College, a conservative Christian college in Michigan. \nHillsdale’s digital digest, Imprimis, features the writing of conservative thinkers like Rufo, who has worked with DeSantis to combat issues like critical race theory and gender identity. The publication also includes articles with titles, like “The January 6 Insurrection Hoax,” “The Disaster at Our Southern Border,” “Gender Ideology Run Amok,” “Critical Race Theory: What it is and How to Fight it,” and “Who is in Control? The need to Rein in Big Tech.”\n\n\nApparently, Ron Desatan wants to make Florida into one giant Prager U—a white nationalist, creationist, dogma center that creates mindless drones.\n\nAt this point, if Ron Desantis gets his way and creates these universities, they should be seen as paper degrees, not even worth the paper they're printed on. What an absolute insult to freedom of thought, truth, and knowledge. Ron Desantis is a demagogue of the highest order.",
">\n\nHe's like Trump on steroids.",
">\n\nDesantis is also like Mike Pence on steroids. He'd send all LGBTQIA+ people to conversion therapy and subject them to Alan Turing style torture if he knew he could get away with it.",
">\n\nDolores Umbridge enters chat",
">\n\nAt this point, I'm think Dolores Umbridge might have been the author's self-insert character",
">\n\nIt feels like Texas and Florida are in a competition to see who can destroy their state faster. They are actively encouraging the brain drain of the smartest, well-trained people. Maybe they are trying to make Mississippi feel better about itself?",
">\n\nWeird how California is about to be wildly in debt and Texas and Florida.....are not.",
">\n\nAny day now. The world's fifth largest GDP is going to go onto dept. Any day now.... probably about the time Regannomics starts trickling down.\n/s",
">\n\nFor those not familiar with New College, this is particularly dangerous at a school like this. New College has a unique academic environment that encourages independent thought, inquiry and exploration. Wikipedia can explain more of the details, but it's essentially a college version of a montessori school.",
">\n\nAs a New College graduate I can say it's more liberal than any Montessori school. It's a rigorous honor school with very small class sizes, that is ridiculously easy to flunk out in, even for smart kids. You'd see people dropping out like flies. Has a history of allowing/nurturing strikingly non-conventional elements, as long as the students could master the work. It could resemble a molotov cocktail against traditional colleges. There's no fraternities, sororities, no worship of collegial sports. Most of the trustees DeSantis is inserting would flunk out or never go there.",
">\n\nMost of the trustees Desantis named would flunk out of any school, to be honest.",
">\n\nExactly.",
">\n\nI was just thinking to myself the other day, \n“I can’t wait to spend my money sending my intelligent daughter to a red state college where a frat bro has more rights raping her, than she has rights over her own body.”\n“Plus I definitely want her lectured daily on books approved by the kookiest moms for Liberty school boards and constantly harassed to be super duper christian to the point where they groom and groom groom her into stupidity believing magic sky daddy has more power over her future than she does.”\nSeriously, who is signing up for this?",
">\n\nthis is part of the idea, they want to destroy education for people who are not on their side",
">\n\nThere is no actual separation of church and state in America. When’s the last fucking time a Republican got in trouble legislating their bastardized view of Christianity?",
">\n\nIt never seems to happen. They never seem to be condemned for trying to enforce Christianity, because they'll accuse you of hating Christianity if you say it. States still don't allow atheists to run for office today, which no one bats an eye about for some reason. You won't hear mainstream media talk about the war on atheists, but they'll go off every year about the war on Christmas. Just ludicrous, all the way.",
">\n\nAbsolutely. The south has pushed this bullshit and the northern elites don’t say shit about it lest the get sideways glances at the congressional country club. \nIt’s pathetic.",
">\n\nThis isn't conservatism, this is the Christian Taliban imposing its Christofascism..",
">\n\nYep. They are the Y'all Qaeda.",
">\n\nThis asshole thinks the whole state should be remade to his preference.\nYou were elected Governor, not King.",
">\n\nCombined with DeSantis’ attack on elementary schools, this attempt to control college education would assure that Florida doesn’t have people well-enough educated to supply businesses with the quality of employees they need. \nDecent parents, intelligent young adults, and businesses will be leaving Florida as fast as possible. The state will be left with mainly old people and stupid people, in other words, Republicans.",
">\n\nI was born in Florida and lived there all my life. I left last year. If I ever have children, I've decided I don't want to raise them in the hellhole that state has become.",
">\n\nOur best friends, a Latino couple, bought a condo there 20 years ago for retirement. They just sold it when DeSantis won reelection. They said they wouldn’t be comfortable there when their gay friends and their trans niece came to visit. She said, ‘I wonder if any of you would even come to visit.’",
">\n\nI'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest that this will entirely destroy this particular institution of learning. The students and faculty should be outraged and make every effort to sabotage this hostile takeover.",
">\n\nWhat can they do? They have no rights. They can't even just go to another school because they will be replaced with new students and professors that agree with DeSantis.",
">\n\nThis particular school presents a challenge in replacing the faculty and student body, especially with ones sympathetic to right wing politics and meddling. It's more likely the enrollment will simply crater and the school will be forced to close. IMO, this is the real goal where New College is concerned.",
">\n\nRufo is a creationist. This should violate the separation of church and state.",
">\n\nYup. He's just upset over losing at creationism, which is an ultimate loser as a paradigm.",
">\n\nSo, would that make it a conservative arts college?",
">\n\nConservative and art don't belong in the same sentence. Conservatives aren't good at art, from what I've seen of dry uterus loving Ben Shapiro & child marriage advocate Matt Walsh.",
">\n\nHey, True Allegiance was a work of art!\nSure, the specific type of art was \"parody of Ben Shapiro\" and it was unwitting self-parody, but it was still art!",
">\n\nI'm glad there won't be any \"indoctrination\"",
">\n\nrufo is such a creepy little worm\ni think it’s really obvious that rufo and the rest of this big group of fascists don’t really care about what it is that gets them into power. they don’t care about crt or trans people or any of it. they just want to dominate people.\nif crt and progressive/leftist values actually were seeking to dominate people against their will like all these freak shows say, rufo and desantis would be leftists",
">\n\nyeah these people have not learned fear",
">\n\nFalse\nEvidence\nAppearing\nReal\n\nThis is what runs in the conservative mind. Religion teaches it to them from a young age, and they never outgrow it, unfortunately.",
">\n\nCan someone help me understand why DeSantis is able to personally choose administrators for a university?",
">\n\nI'm guessing it's a state school. So technically it falls under his final jurisdiction since it's run partially on tax payer money.",
">\n\nBill Lee tryin the same shit with hillsdale in TN and charter schools.",
">\n\nI can't wait until this guy goes national and all the Independents get to hear about this stuff for the first time."
] |
>
This will go down very well with the base, and DeSantis knows it. The more controversy about woke culture the better, as far as he's concerned. I don't think that he sees past getting the GOP presidential nomination. If the students and alums at New College (and they are), they will play him just as well as he hopes to play them. Think: nude sit-ins.
|
[
"Gov. Ron DeSantis appointed a group of hard-line conservative loyalists Friday into leadership positions at the New College of Florida, a move that comes as the Republican governor plots a remake of the state’s higher education system. \nSeveral of the appointees are vocal opponents of gender- and race-related education issues that have fueled the right’s culture wars in schools. They were picked as DeSantis, who is eyeing a potential 2024 White House run, vows to fight “philosophical lunacy” in the schools. \nOf the six appointed by DeSantis, the marquee names are Christopher Rufo, a conservative activist who helped turn critical race theory into a conservative rallying cry, and Matthew Spalding, a government professor at Hillsdale College, a conservative Christian college in Michigan. \nHillsdale’s digital digest, Imprimis, features the writing of conservative thinkers like Rufo, who has worked with DeSantis to combat issues like critical race theory and gender identity. The publication also includes articles with titles, like “The January 6 Insurrection Hoax,” “The Disaster at Our Southern Border,” “Gender Ideology Run Amok,” “Critical Race Theory: What it is and How to Fight it,” and “Who is in Control? The need to Rein in Big Tech.”\n\n\nApparently, Ron Desatan wants to make Florida into one giant Prager U—a white nationalist, creationist, dogma center that creates mindless drones.\n\nAt this point, if Ron Desantis gets his way and creates these universities, they should be seen as paper degrees, not even worth the paper they're printed on. What an absolute insult to freedom of thought, truth, and knowledge. Ron Desantis is a demagogue of the highest order.",
">\n\nHe's like Trump on steroids.",
">\n\nDesantis is also like Mike Pence on steroids. He'd send all LGBTQIA+ people to conversion therapy and subject them to Alan Turing style torture if he knew he could get away with it.",
">\n\nDolores Umbridge enters chat",
">\n\nAt this point, I'm think Dolores Umbridge might have been the author's self-insert character",
">\n\nIt feels like Texas and Florida are in a competition to see who can destroy their state faster. They are actively encouraging the brain drain of the smartest, well-trained people. Maybe they are trying to make Mississippi feel better about itself?",
">\n\nWeird how California is about to be wildly in debt and Texas and Florida.....are not.",
">\n\nAny day now. The world's fifth largest GDP is going to go onto dept. Any day now.... probably about the time Regannomics starts trickling down.\n/s",
">\n\nFor those not familiar with New College, this is particularly dangerous at a school like this. New College has a unique academic environment that encourages independent thought, inquiry and exploration. Wikipedia can explain more of the details, but it's essentially a college version of a montessori school.",
">\n\nAs a New College graduate I can say it's more liberal than any Montessori school. It's a rigorous honor school with very small class sizes, that is ridiculously easy to flunk out in, even for smart kids. You'd see people dropping out like flies. Has a history of allowing/nurturing strikingly non-conventional elements, as long as the students could master the work. It could resemble a molotov cocktail against traditional colleges. There's no fraternities, sororities, no worship of collegial sports. Most of the trustees DeSantis is inserting would flunk out or never go there.",
">\n\nMost of the trustees Desantis named would flunk out of any school, to be honest.",
">\n\nExactly.",
">\n\nI was just thinking to myself the other day, \n“I can’t wait to spend my money sending my intelligent daughter to a red state college where a frat bro has more rights raping her, than she has rights over her own body.”\n“Plus I definitely want her lectured daily on books approved by the kookiest moms for Liberty school boards and constantly harassed to be super duper christian to the point where they groom and groom groom her into stupidity believing magic sky daddy has more power over her future than she does.”\nSeriously, who is signing up for this?",
">\n\nthis is part of the idea, they want to destroy education for people who are not on their side",
">\n\nThere is no actual separation of church and state in America. When’s the last fucking time a Republican got in trouble legislating their bastardized view of Christianity?",
">\n\nIt never seems to happen. They never seem to be condemned for trying to enforce Christianity, because they'll accuse you of hating Christianity if you say it. States still don't allow atheists to run for office today, which no one bats an eye about for some reason. You won't hear mainstream media talk about the war on atheists, but they'll go off every year about the war on Christmas. Just ludicrous, all the way.",
">\n\nAbsolutely. The south has pushed this bullshit and the northern elites don’t say shit about it lest the get sideways glances at the congressional country club. \nIt’s pathetic.",
">\n\nThis isn't conservatism, this is the Christian Taliban imposing its Christofascism..",
">\n\nYep. They are the Y'all Qaeda.",
">\n\nThis asshole thinks the whole state should be remade to his preference.\nYou were elected Governor, not King.",
">\n\nCombined with DeSantis’ attack on elementary schools, this attempt to control college education would assure that Florida doesn’t have people well-enough educated to supply businesses with the quality of employees they need. \nDecent parents, intelligent young adults, and businesses will be leaving Florida as fast as possible. The state will be left with mainly old people and stupid people, in other words, Republicans.",
">\n\nI was born in Florida and lived there all my life. I left last year. If I ever have children, I've decided I don't want to raise them in the hellhole that state has become.",
">\n\nOur best friends, a Latino couple, bought a condo there 20 years ago for retirement. They just sold it when DeSantis won reelection. They said they wouldn’t be comfortable there when their gay friends and their trans niece came to visit. She said, ‘I wonder if any of you would even come to visit.’",
">\n\nI'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest that this will entirely destroy this particular institution of learning. The students and faculty should be outraged and make every effort to sabotage this hostile takeover.",
">\n\nWhat can they do? They have no rights. They can't even just go to another school because they will be replaced with new students and professors that agree with DeSantis.",
">\n\nThis particular school presents a challenge in replacing the faculty and student body, especially with ones sympathetic to right wing politics and meddling. It's more likely the enrollment will simply crater and the school will be forced to close. IMO, this is the real goal where New College is concerned.",
">\n\nRufo is a creationist. This should violate the separation of church and state.",
">\n\nYup. He's just upset over losing at creationism, which is an ultimate loser as a paradigm.",
">\n\nSo, would that make it a conservative arts college?",
">\n\nConservative and art don't belong in the same sentence. Conservatives aren't good at art, from what I've seen of dry uterus loving Ben Shapiro & child marriage advocate Matt Walsh.",
">\n\nHey, True Allegiance was a work of art!\nSure, the specific type of art was \"parody of Ben Shapiro\" and it was unwitting self-parody, but it was still art!",
">\n\nI'm glad there won't be any \"indoctrination\"",
">\n\nrufo is such a creepy little worm\ni think it’s really obvious that rufo and the rest of this big group of fascists don’t really care about what it is that gets them into power. they don’t care about crt or trans people or any of it. they just want to dominate people.\nif crt and progressive/leftist values actually were seeking to dominate people against their will like all these freak shows say, rufo and desantis would be leftists",
">\n\nyeah these people have not learned fear",
">\n\nFalse\nEvidence\nAppearing\nReal\n\nThis is what runs in the conservative mind. Religion teaches it to them from a young age, and they never outgrow it, unfortunately.",
">\n\nCan someone help me understand why DeSantis is able to personally choose administrators for a university?",
">\n\nI'm guessing it's a state school. So technically it falls under his final jurisdiction since it's run partially on tax payer money.",
">\n\nBill Lee tryin the same shit with hillsdale in TN and charter schools.",
">\n\nI can't wait until this guy goes national and all the Independents get to hear about this stuff for the first time.",
">\n\nmore authoritarian fascism - the brain drain that's expected to hit flordia in the next 15 years will cripple the entire state. smart people don't like fascism and will not attend your schools and will flee and not return leaving no one to run the state."
] |
>
Making Florida into an Orwellian nightmare, one step at a time.
|
[
"Gov. Ron DeSantis appointed a group of hard-line conservative loyalists Friday into leadership positions at the New College of Florida, a move that comes as the Republican governor plots a remake of the state’s higher education system. \nSeveral of the appointees are vocal opponents of gender- and race-related education issues that have fueled the right’s culture wars in schools. They were picked as DeSantis, who is eyeing a potential 2024 White House run, vows to fight “philosophical lunacy” in the schools. \nOf the six appointed by DeSantis, the marquee names are Christopher Rufo, a conservative activist who helped turn critical race theory into a conservative rallying cry, and Matthew Spalding, a government professor at Hillsdale College, a conservative Christian college in Michigan. \nHillsdale’s digital digest, Imprimis, features the writing of conservative thinkers like Rufo, who has worked with DeSantis to combat issues like critical race theory and gender identity. The publication also includes articles with titles, like “The January 6 Insurrection Hoax,” “The Disaster at Our Southern Border,” “Gender Ideology Run Amok,” “Critical Race Theory: What it is and How to Fight it,” and “Who is in Control? The need to Rein in Big Tech.”\n\n\nApparently, Ron Desatan wants to make Florida into one giant Prager U—a white nationalist, creationist, dogma center that creates mindless drones.\n\nAt this point, if Ron Desantis gets his way and creates these universities, they should be seen as paper degrees, not even worth the paper they're printed on. What an absolute insult to freedom of thought, truth, and knowledge. Ron Desantis is a demagogue of the highest order.",
">\n\nHe's like Trump on steroids.",
">\n\nDesantis is also like Mike Pence on steroids. He'd send all LGBTQIA+ people to conversion therapy and subject them to Alan Turing style torture if he knew he could get away with it.",
">\n\nDolores Umbridge enters chat",
">\n\nAt this point, I'm think Dolores Umbridge might have been the author's self-insert character",
">\n\nIt feels like Texas and Florida are in a competition to see who can destroy their state faster. They are actively encouraging the brain drain of the smartest, well-trained people. Maybe they are trying to make Mississippi feel better about itself?",
">\n\nWeird how California is about to be wildly in debt and Texas and Florida.....are not.",
">\n\nAny day now. The world's fifth largest GDP is going to go onto dept. Any day now.... probably about the time Regannomics starts trickling down.\n/s",
">\n\nFor those not familiar with New College, this is particularly dangerous at a school like this. New College has a unique academic environment that encourages independent thought, inquiry and exploration. Wikipedia can explain more of the details, but it's essentially a college version of a montessori school.",
">\n\nAs a New College graduate I can say it's more liberal than any Montessori school. It's a rigorous honor school with very small class sizes, that is ridiculously easy to flunk out in, even for smart kids. You'd see people dropping out like flies. Has a history of allowing/nurturing strikingly non-conventional elements, as long as the students could master the work. It could resemble a molotov cocktail against traditional colleges. There's no fraternities, sororities, no worship of collegial sports. Most of the trustees DeSantis is inserting would flunk out or never go there.",
">\n\nMost of the trustees Desantis named would flunk out of any school, to be honest.",
">\n\nExactly.",
">\n\nI was just thinking to myself the other day, \n“I can’t wait to spend my money sending my intelligent daughter to a red state college where a frat bro has more rights raping her, than she has rights over her own body.”\n“Plus I definitely want her lectured daily on books approved by the kookiest moms for Liberty school boards and constantly harassed to be super duper christian to the point where they groom and groom groom her into stupidity believing magic sky daddy has more power over her future than she does.”\nSeriously, who is signing up for this?",
">\n\nthis is part of the idea, they want to destroy education for people who are not on their side",
">\n\nThere is no actual separation of church and state in America. When’s the last fucking time a Republican got in trouble legislating their bastardized view of Christianity?",
">\n\nIt never seems to happen. They never seem to be condemned for trying to enforce Christianity, because they'll accuse you of hating Christianity if you say it. States still don't allow atheists to run for office today, which no one bats an eye about for some reason. You won't hear mainstream media talk about the war on atheists, but they'll go off every year about the war on Christmas. Just ludicrous, all the way.",
">\n\nAbsolutely. The south has pushed this bullshit and the northern elites don’t say shit about it lest the get sideways glances at the congressional country club. \nIt’s pathetic.",
">\n\nThis isn't conservatism, this is the Christian Taliban imposing its Christofascism..",
">\n\nYep. They are the Y'all Qaeda.",
">\n\nThis asshole thinks the whole state should be remade to his preference.\nYou were elected Governor, not King.",
">\n\nCombined with DeSantis’ attack on elementary schools, this attempt to control college education would assure that Florida doesn’t have people well-enough educated to supply businesses with the quality of employees they need. \nDecent parents, intelligent young adults, and businesses will be leaving Florida as fast as possible. The state will be left with mainly old people and stupid people, in other words, Republicans.",
">\n\nI was born in Florida and lived there all my life. I left last year. If I ever have children, I've decided I don't want to raise them in the hellhole that state has become.",
">\n\nOur best friends, a Latino couple, bought a condo there 20 years ago for retirement. They just sold it when DeSantis won reelection. They said they wouldn’t be comfortable there when their gay friends and their trans niece came to visit. She said, ‘I wonder if any of you would even come to visit.’",
">\n\nI'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest that this will entirely destroy this particular institution of learning. The students and faculty should be outraged and make every effort to sabotage this hostile takeover.",
">\n\nWhat can they do? They have no rights. They can't even just go to another school because they will be replaced with new students and professors that agree with DeSantis.",
">\n\nThis particular school presents a challenge in replacing the faculty and student body, especially with ones sympathetic to right wing politics and meddling. It's more likely the enrollment will simply crater and the school will be forced to close. IMO, this is the real goal where New College is concerned.",
">\n\nRufo is a creationist. This should violate the separation of church and state.",
">\n\nYup. He's just upset over losing at creationism, which is an ultimate loser as a paradigm.",
">\n\nSo, would that make it a conservative arts college?",
">\n\nConservative and art don't belong in the same sentence. Conservatives aren't good at art, from what I've seen of dry uterus loving Ben Shapiro & child marriage advocate Matt Walsh.",
">\n\nHey, True Allegiance was a work of art!\nSure, the specific type of art was \"parody of Ben Shapiro\" and it was unwitting self-parody, but it was still art!",
">\n\nI'm glad there won't be any \"indoctrination\"",
">\n\nrufo is such a creepy little worm\ni think it’s really obvious that rufo and the rest of this big group of fascists don’t really care about what it is that gets them into power. they don’t care about crt or trans people or any of it. they just want to dominate people.\nif crt and progressive/leftist values actually were seeking to dominate people against their will like all these freak shows say, rufo and desantis would be leftists",
">\n\nyeah these people have not learned fear",
">\n\nFalse\nEvidence\nAppearing\nReal\n\nThis is what runs in the conservative mind. Religion teaches it to them from a young age, and they never outgrow it, unfortunately.",
">\n\nCan someone help me understand why DeSantis is able to personally choose administrators for a university?",
">\n\nI'm guessing it's a state school. So technically it falls under his final jurisdiction since it's run partially on tax payer money.",
">\n\nBill Lee tryin the same shit with hillsdale in TN and charter schools.",
">\n\nI can't wait until this guy goes national and all the Independents get to hear about this stuff for the first time.",
">\n\nmore authoritarian fascism - the brain drain that's expected to hit flordia in the next 15 years will cripple the entire state. smart people don't like fascism and will not attend your schools and will flee and not return leaving no one to run the state.",
">\n\nThis will go down very well with the base, and DeSantis knows it. The more controversy about woke culture the better, as far as he's concerned. I don't think that he sees past getting the GOP presidential nomination. If the students and alums at New College (and they are), they will play him just as well as he hopes to play them. Think: nude sit-ins."
] |
>
Fuck off Rufo. I went to school with this idiot. Wish I didn't understand how a son of immigrants could do the heinous shit he does. I'm glad this gets him out of Seattle and into the conservative clusterfuck that is 'Florida politics' but, fuck me man. Not like this.
|
[
"Gov. Ron DeSantis appointed a group of hard-line conservative loyalists Friday into leadership positions at the New College of Florida, a move that comes as the Republican governor plots a remake of the state’s higher education system. \nSeveral of the appointees are vocal opponents of gender- and race-related education issues that have fueled the right’s culture wars in schools. They were picked as DeSantis, who is eyeing a potential 2024 White House run, vows to fight “philosophical lunacy” in the schools. \nOf the six appointed by DeSantis, the marquee names are Christopher Rufo, a conservative activist who helped turn critical race theory into a conservative rallying cry, and Matthew Spalding, a government professor at Hillsdale College, a conservative Christian college in Michigan. \nHillsdale’s digital digest, Imprimis, features the writing of conservative thinkers like Rufo, who has worked with DeSantis to combat issues like critical race theory and gender identity. The publication also includes articles with titles, like “The January 6 Insurrection Hoax,” “The Disaster at Our Southern Border,” “Gender Ideology Run Amok,” “Critical Race Theory: What it is and How to Fight it,” and “Who is in Control? The need to Rein in Big Tech.”\n\n\nApparently, Ron Desatan wants to make Florida into one giant Prager U—a white nationalist, creationist, dogma center that creates mindless drones.\n\nAt this point, if Ron Desantis gets his way and creates these universities, they should be seen as paper degrees, not even worth the paper they're printed on. What an absolute insult to freedom of thought, truth, and knowledge. Ron Desantis is a demagogue of the highest order.",
">\n\nHe's like Trump on steroids.",
">\n\nDesantis is also like Mike Pence on steroids. He'd send all LGBTQIA+ people to conversion therapy and subject them to Alan Turing style torture if he knew he could get away with it.",
">\n\nDolores Umbridge enters chat",
">\n\nAt this point, I'm think Dolores Umbridge might have been the author's self-insert character",
">\n\nIt feels like Texas and Florida are in a competition to see who can destroy their state faster. They are actively encouraging the brain drain of the smartest, well-trained people. Maybe they are trying to make Mississippi feel better about itself?",
">\n\nWeird how California is about to be wildly in debt and Texas and Florida.....are not.",
">\n\nAny day now. The world's fifth largest GDP is going to go onto dept. Any day now.... probably about the time Regannomics starts trickling down.\n/s",
">\n\nFor those not familiar with New College, this is particularly dangerous at a school like this. New College has a unique academic environment that encourages independent thought, inquiry and exploration. Wikipedia can explain more of the details, but it's essentially a college version of a montessori school.",
">\n\nAs a New College graduate I can say it's more liberal than any Montessori school. It's a rigorous honor school with very small class sizes, that is ridiculously easy to flunk out in, even for smart kids. You'd see people dropping out like flies. Has a history of allowing/nurturing strikingly non-conventional elements, as long as the students could master the work. It could resemble a molotov cocktail against traditional colleges. There's no fraternities, sororities, no worship of collegial sports. Most of the trustees DeSantis is inserting would flunk out or never go there.",
">\n\nMost of the trustees Desantis named would flunk out of any school, to be honest.",
">\n\nExactly.",
">\n\nI was just thinking to myself the other day, \n“I can’t wait to spend my money sending my intelligent daughter to a red state college where a frat bro has more rights raping her, than she has rights over her own body.”\n“Plus I definitely want her lectured daily on books approved by the kookiest moms for Liberty school boards and constantly harassed to be super duper christian to the point where they groom and groom groom her into stupidity believing magic sky daddy has more power over her future than she does.”\nSeriously, who is signing up for this?",
">\n\nthis is part of the idea, they want to destroy education for people who are not on their side",
">\n\nThere is no actual separation of church and state in America. When’s the last fucking time a Republican got in trouble legislating their bastardized view of Christianity?",
">\n\nIt never seems to happen. They never seem to be condemned for trying to enforce Christianity, because they'll accuse you of hating Christianity if you say it. States still don't allow atheists to run for office today, which no one bats an eye about for some reason. You won't hear mainstream media talk about the war on atheists, but they'll go off every year about the war on Christmas. Just ludicrous, all the way.",
">\n\nAbsolutely. The south has pushed this bullshit and the northern elites don’t say shit about it lest the get sideways glances at the congressional country club. \nIt’s pathetic.",
">\n\nThis isn't conservatism, this is the Christian Taliban imposing its Christofascism..",
">\n\nYep. They are the Y'all Qaeda.",
">\n\nThis asshole thinks the whole state should be remade to his preference.\nYou were elected Governor, not King.",
">\n\nCombined with DeSantis’ attack on elementary schools, this attempt to control college education would assure that Florida doesn’t have people well-enough educated to supply businesses with the quality of employees they need. \nDecent parents, intelligent young adults, and businesses will be leaving Florida as fast as possible. The state will be left with mainly old people and stupid people, in other words, Republicans.",
">\n\nI was born in Florida and lived there all my life. I left last year. If I ever have children, I've decided I don't want to raise them in the hellhole that state has become.",
">\n\nOur best friends, a Latino couple, bought a condo there 20 years ago for retirement. They just sold it when DeSantis won reelection. They said they wouldn’t be comfortable there when their gay friends and their trans niece came to visit. She said, ‘I wonder if any of you would even come to visit.’",
">\n\nI'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest that this will entirely destroy this particular institution of learning. The students and faculty should be outraged and make every effort to sabotage this hostile takeover.",
">\n\nWhat can they do? They have no rights. They can't even just go to another school because they will be replaced with new students and professors that agree with DeSantis.",
">\n\nThis particular school presents a challenge in replacing the faculty and student body, especially with ones sympathetic to right wing politics and meddling. It's more likely the enrollment will simply crater and the school will be forced to close. IMO, this is the real goal where New College is concerned.",
">\n\nRufo is a creationist. This should violate the separation of church and state.",
">\n\nYup. He's just upset over losing at creationism, which is an ultimate loser as a paradigm.",
">\n\nSo, would that make it a conservative arts college?",
">\n\nConservative and art don't belong in the same sentence. Conservatives aren't good at art, from what I've seen of dry uterus loving Ben Shapiro & child marriage advocate Matt Walsh.",
">\n\nHey, True Allegiance was a work of art!\nSure, the specific type of art was \"parody of Ben Shapiro\" and it was unwitting self-parody, but it was still art!",
">\n\nI'm glad there won't be any \"indoctrination\"",
">\n\nrufo is such a creepy little worm\ni think it’s really obvious that rufo and the rest of this big group of fascists don’t really care about what it is that gets them into power. they don’t care about crt or trans people or any of it. they just want to dominate people.\nif crt and progressive/leftist values actually were seeking to dominate people against their will like all these freak shows say, rufo and desantis would be leftists",
">\n\nyeah these people have not learned fear",
">\n\nFalse\nEvidence\nAppearing\nReal\n\nThis is what runs in the conservative mind. Religion teaches it to them from a young age, and they never outgrow it, unfortunately.",
">\n\nCan someone help me understand why DeSantis is able to personally choose administrators for a university?",
">\n\nI'm guessing it's a state school. So technically it falls under his final jurisdiction since it's run partially on tax payer money.",
">\n\nBill Lee tryin the same shit with hillsdale in TN and charter schools.",
">\n\nI can't wait until this guy goes national and all the Independents get to hear about this stuff for the first time.",
">\n\nmore authoritarian fascism - the brain drain that's expected to hit flordia in the next 15 years will cripple the entire state. smart people don't like fascism and will not attend your schools and will flee and not return leaving no one to run the state.",
">\n\nThis will go down very well with the base, and DeSantis knows it. The more controversy about woke culture the better, as far as he's concerned. I don't think that he sees past getting the GOP presidential nomination. If the students and alums at New College (and they are), they will play him just as well as he hopes to play them. Think: nude sit-ins.",
">\n\nMaking Florida into an Orwellian nightmare, one step at a time."
] |
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Party of freedom -yeah right! Christofascist!
|
[
"Gov. Ron DeSantis appointed a group of hard-line conservative loyalists Friday into leadership positions at the New College of Florida, a move that comes as the Republican governor plots a remake of the state’s higher education system. \nSeveral of the appointees are vocal opponents of gender- and race-related education issues that have fueled the right’s culture wars in schools. They were picked as DeSantis, who is eyeing a potential 2024 White House run, vows to fight “philosophical lunacy” in the schools. \nOf the six appointed by DeSantis, the marquee names are Christopher Rufo, a conservative activist who helped turn critical race theory into a conservative rallying cry, and Matthew Spalding, a government professor at Hillsdale College, a conservative Christian college in Michigan. \nHillsdale’s digital digest, Imprimis, features the writing of conservative thinkers like Rufo, who has worked with DeSantis to combat issues like critical race theory and gender identity. The publication also includes articles with titles, like “The January 6 Insurrection Hoax,” “The Disaster at Our Southern Border,” “Gender Ideology Run Amok,” “Critical Race Theory: What it is and How to Fight it,” and “Who is in Control? The need to Rein in Big Tech.”\n\n\nApparently, Ron Desatan wants to make Florida into one giant Prager U—a white nationalist, creationist, dogma center that creates mindless drones.\n\nAt this point, if Ron Desantis gets his way and creates these universities, they should be seen as paper degrees, not even worth the paper they're printed on. What an absolute insult to freedom of thought, truth, and knowledge. Ron Desantis is a demagogue of the highest order.",
">\n\nHe's like Trump on steroids.",
">\n\nDesantis is also like Mike Pence on steroids. He'd send all LGBTQIA+ people to conversion therapy and subject them to Alan Turing style torture if he knew he could get away with it.",
">\n\nDolores Umbridge enters chat",
">\n\nAt this point, I'm think Dolores Umbridge might have been the author's self-insert character",
">\n\nIt feels like Texas and Florida are in a competition to see who can destroy their state faster. They are actively encouraging the brain drain of the smartest, well-trained people. Maybe they are trying to make Mississippi feel better about itself?",
">\n\nWeird how California is about to be wildly in debt and Texas and Florida.....are not.",
">\n\nAny day now. The world's fifth largest GDP is going to go onto dept. Any day now.... probably about the time Regannomics starts trickling down.\n/s",
">\n\nFor those not familiar with New College, this is particularly dangerous at a school like this. New College has a unique academic environment that encourages independent thought, inquiry and exploration. Wikipedia can explain more of the details, but it's essentially a college version of a montessori school.",
">\n\nAs a New College graduate I can say it's more liberal than any Montessori school. It's a rigorous honor school with very small class sizes, that is ridiculously easy to flunk out in, even for smart kids. You'd see people dropping out like flies. Has a history of allowing/nurturing strikingly non-conventional elements, as long as the students could master the work. It could resemble a molotov cocktail against traditional colleges. There's no fraternities, sororities, no worship of collegial sports. Most of the trustees DeSantis is inserting would flunk out or never go there.",
">\n\nMost of the trustees Desantis named would flunk out of any school, to be honest.",
">\n\nExactly.",
">\n\nI was just thinking to myself the other day, \n“I can’t wait to spend my money sending my intelligent daughter to a red state college where a frat bro has more rights raping her, than she has rights over her own body.”\n“Plus I definitely want her lectured daily on books approved by the kookiest moms for Liberty school boards and constantly harassed to be super duper christian to the point where they groom and groom groom her into stupidity believing magic sky daddy has more power over her future than she does.”\nSeriously, who is signing up for this?",
">\n\nthis is part of the idea, they want to destroy education for people who are not on their side",
">\n\nThere is no actual separation of church and state in America. When’s the last fucking time a Republican got in trouble legislating their bastardized view of Christianity?",
">\n\nIt never seems to happen. They never seem to be condemned for trying to enforce Christianity, because they'll accuse you of hating Christianity if you say it. States still don't allow atheists to run for office today, which no one bats an eye about for some reason. You won't hear mainstream media talk about the war on atheists, but they'll go off every year about the war on Christmas. Just ludicrous, all the way.",
">\n\nAbsolutely. The south has pushed this bullshit and the northern elites don’t say shit about it lest the get sideways glances at the congressional country club. \nIt’s pathetic.",
">\n\nThis isn't conservatism, this is the Christian Taliban imposing its Christofascism..",
">\n\nYep. They are the Y'all Qaeda.",
">\n\nThis asshole thinks the whole state should be remade to his preference.\nYou were elected Governor, not King.",
">\n\nCombined with DeSantis’ attack on elementary schools, this attempt to control college education would assure that Florida doesn’t have people well-enough educated to supply businesses with the quality of employees they need. \nDecent parents, intelligent young adults, and businesses will be leaving Florida as fast as possible. The state will be left with mainly old people and stupid people, in other words, Republicans.",
">\n\nI was born in Florida and lived there all my life. I left last year. If I ever have children, I've decided I don't want to raise them in the hellhole that state has become.",
">\n\nOur best friends, a Latino couple, bought a condo there 20 years ago for retirement. They just sold it when DeSantis won reelection. They said they wouldn’t be comfortable there when their gay friends and their trans niece came to visit. She said, ‘I wonder if any of you would even come to visit.’",
">\n\nI'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest that this will entirely destroy this particular institution of learning. The students and faculty should be outraged and make every effort to sabotage this hostile takeover.",
">\n\nWhat can they do? They have no rights. They can't even just go to another school because they will be replaced with new students and professors that agree with DeSantis.",
">\n\nThis particular school presents a challenge in replacing the faculty and student body, especially with ones sympathetic to right wing politics and meddling. It's more likely the enrollment will simply crater and the school will be forced to close. IMO, this is the real goal where New College is concerned.",
">\n\nRufo is a creationist. This should violate the separation of church and state.",
">\n\nYup. He's just upset over losing at creationism, which is an ultimate loser as a paradigm.",
">\n\nSo, would that make it a conservative arts college?",
">\n\nConservative and art don't belong in the same sentence. Conservatives aren't good at art, from what I've seen of dry uterus loving Ben Shapiro & child marriage advocate Matt Walsh.",
">\n\nHey, True Allegiance was a work of art!\nSure, the specific type of art was \"parody of Ben Shapiro\" and it was unwitting self-parody, but it was still art!",
">\n\nI'm glad there won't be any \"indoctrination\"",
">\n\nrufo is such a creepy little worm\ni think it’s really obvious that rufo and the rest of this big group of fascists don’t really care about what it is that gets them into power. they don’t care about crt or trans people or any of it. they just want to dominate people.\nif crt and progressive/leftist values actually were seeking to dominate people against their will like all these freak shows say, rufo and desantis would be leftists",
">\n\nyeah these people have not learned fear",
">\n\nFalse\nEvidence\nAppearing\nReal\n\nThis is what runs in the conservative mind. Religion teaches it to them from a young age, and they never outgrow it, unfortunately.",
">\n\nCan someone help me understand why DeSantis is able to personally choose administrators for a university?",
">\n\nI'm guessing it's a state school. So technically it falls under his final jurisdiction since it's run partially on tax payer money.",
">\n\nBill Lee tryin the same shit with hillsdale in TN and charter schools.",
">\n\nI can't wait until this guy goes national and all the Independents get to hear about this stuff for the first time.",
">\n\nmore authoritarian fascism - the brain drain that's expected to hit flordia in the next 15 years will cripple the entire state. smart people don't like fascism and will not attend your schools and will flee and not return leaving no one to run the state.",
">\n\nThis will go down very well with the base, and DeSantis knows it. The more controversy about woke culture the better, as far as he's concerned. I don't think that he sees past getting the GOP presidential nomination. If the students and alums at New College (and they are), they will play him just as well as he hopes to play them. Think: nude sit-ins.",
">\n\nMaking Florida into an Orwellian nightmare, one step at a time.",
">\n\nFuck off Rufo. I went to school with this idiot. Wish I didn't understand how a son of immigrants could do the heinous shit he does. I'm glad this gets him out of Seattle and into the conservative clusterfuck that is 'Florida politics' but, fuck me man. Not like this."
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Hillsdale College. Is that Sean Hannity and Mark Levin’s Alma Mater?
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[
"Gov. Ron DeSantis appointed a group of hard-line conservative loyalists Friday into leadership positions at the New College of Florida, a move that comes as the Republican governor plots a remake of the state’s higher education system. \nSeveral of the appointees are vocal opponents of gender- and race-related education issues that have fueled the right’s culture wars in schools. They were picked as DeSantis, who is eyeing a potential 2024 White House run, vows to fight “philosophical lunacy” in the schools. \nOf the six appointed by DeSantis, the marquee names are Christopher Rufo, a conservative activist who helped turn critical race theory into a conservative rallying cry, and Matthew Spalding, a government professor at Hillsdale College, a conservative Christian college in Michigan. \nHillsdale’s digital digest, Imprimis, features the writing of conservative thinkers like Rufo, who has worked with DeSantis to combat issues like critical race theory and gender identity. The publication also includes articles with titles, like “The January 6 Insurrection Hoax,” “The Disaster at Our Southern Border,” “Gender Ideology Run Amok,” “Critical Race Theory: What it is and How to Fight it,” and “Who is in Control? The need to Rein in Big Tech.”\n\n\nApparently, Ron Desatan wants to make Florida into one giant Prager U—a white nationalist, creationist, dogma center that creates mindless drones.\n\nAt this point, if Ron Desantis gets his way and creates these universities, they should be seen as paper degrees, not even worth the paper they're printed on. What an absolute insult to freedom of thought, truth, and knowledge. Ron Desantis is a demagogue of the highest order.",
">\n\nHe's like Trump on steroids.",
">\n\nDesantis is also like Mike Pence on steroids. He'd send all LGBTQIA+ people to conversion therapy and subject them to Alan Turing style torture if he knew he could get away with it.",
">\n\nDolores Umbridge enters chat",
">\n\nAt this point, I'm think Dolores Umbridge might have been the author's self-insert character",
">\n\nIt feels like Texas and Florida are in a competition to see who can destroy their state faster. They are actively encouraging the brain drain of the smartest, well-trained people. Maybe they are trying to make Mississippi feel better about itself?",
">\n\nWeird how California is about to be wildly in debt and Texas and Florida.....are not.",
">\n\nAny day now. The world's fifth largest GDP is going to go onto dept. Any day now.... probably about the time Regannomics starts trickling down.\n/s",
">\n\nFor those not familiar with New College, this is particularly dangerous at a school like this. New College has a unique academic environment that encourages independent thought, inquiry and exploration. Wikipedia can explain more of the details, but it's essentially a college version of a montessori school.",
">\n\nAs a New College graduate I can say it's more liberal than any Montessori school. It's a rigorous honor school with very small class sizes, that is ridiculously easy to flunk out in, even for smart kids. You'd see people dropping out like flies. Has a history of allowing/nurturing strikingly non-conventional elements, as long as the students could master the work. It could resemble a molotov cocktail against traditional colleges. There's no fraternities, sororities, no worship of collegial sports. Most of the trustees DeSantis is inserting would flunk out or never go there.",
">\n\nMost of the trustees Desantis named would flunk out of any school, to be honest.",
">\n\nExactly.",
">\n\nI was just thinking to myself the other day, \n“I can’t wait to spend my money sending my intelligent daughter to a red state college where a frat bro has more rights raping her, than she has rights over her own body.”\n“Plus I definitely want her lectured daily on books approved by the kookiest moms for Liberty school boards and constantly harassed to be super duper christian to the point where they groom and groom groom her into stupidity believing magic sky daddy has more power over her future than she does.”\nSeriously, who is signing up for this?",
">\n\nthis is part of the idea, they want to destroy education for people who are not on their side",
">\n\nThere is no actual separation of church and state in America. When’s the last fucking time a Republican got in trouble legislating their bastardized view of Christianity?",
">\n\nIt never seems to happen. They never seem to be condemned for trying to enforce Christianity, because they'll accuse you of hating Christianity if you say it. States still don't allow atheists to run for office today, which no one bats an eye about for some reason. You won't hear mainstream media talk about the war on atheists, but they'll go off every year about the war on Christmas. Just ludicrous, all the way.",
">\n\nAbsolutely. The south has pushed this bullshit and the northern elites don’t say shit about it lest the get sideways glances at the congressional country club. \nIt’s pathetic.",
">\n\nThis isn't conservatism, this is the Christian Taliban imposing its Christofascism..",
">\n\nYep. They are the Y'all Qaeda.",
">\n\nThis asshole thinks the whole state should be remade to his preference.\nYou were elected Governor, not King.",
">\n\nCombined with DeSantis’ attack on elementary schools, this attempt to control college education would assure that Florida doesn’t have people well-enough educated to supply businesses with the quality of employees they need. \nDecent parents, intelligent young adults, and businesses will be leaving Florida as fast as possible. The state will be left with mainly old people and stupid people, in other words, Republicans.",
">\n\nI was born in Florida and lived there all my life. I left last year. If I ever have children, I've decided I don't want to raise them in the hellhole that state has become.",
">\n\nOur best friends, a Latino couple, bought a condo there 20 years ago for retirement. They just sold it when DeSantis won reelection. They said they wouldn’t be comfortable there when their gay friends and their trans niece came to visit. She said, ‘I wonder if any of you would even come to visit.’",
">\n\nI'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest that this will entirely destroy this particular institution of learning. The students and faculty should be outraged and make every effort to sabotage this hostile takeover.",
">\n\nWhat can they do? They have no rights. They can't even just go to another school because they will be replaced with new students and professors that agree with DeSantis.",
">\n\nThis particular school presents a challenge in replacing the faculty and student body, especially with ones sympathetic to right wing politics and meddling. It's more likely the enrollment will simply crater and the school will be forced to close. IMO, this is the real goal where New College is concerned.",
">\n\nRufo is a creationist. This should violate the separation of church and state.",
">\n\nYup. He's just upset over losing at creationism, which is an ultimate loser as a paradigm.",
">\n\nSo, would that make it a conservative arts college?",
">\n\nConservative and art don't belong in the same sentence. Conservatives aren't good at art, from what I've seen of dry uterus loving Ben Shapiro & child marriage advocate Matt Walsh.",
">\n\nHey, True Allegiance was a work of art!\nSure, the specific type of art was \"parody of Ben Shapiro\" and it was unwitting self-parody, but it was still art!",
">\n\nI'm glad there won't be any \"indoctrination\"",
">\n\nrufo is such a creepy little worm\ni think it’s really obvious that rufo and the rest of this big group of fascists don’t really care about what it is that gets them into power. they don’t care about crt or trans people or any of it. they just want to dominate people.\nif crt and progressive/leftist values actually were seeking to dominate people against their will like all these freak shows say, rufo and desantis would be leftists",
">\n\nyeah these people have not learned fear",
">\n\nFalse\nEvidence\nAppearing\nReal\n\nThis is what runs in the conservative mind. Religion teaches it to them from a young age, and they never outgrow it, unfortunately.",
">\n\nCan someone help me understand why DeSantis is able to personally choose administrators for a university?",
">\n\nI'm guessing it's a state school. So technically it falls under his final jurisdiction since it's run partially on tax payer money.",
">\n\nBill Lee tryin the same shit with hillsdale in TN and charter schools.",
">\n\nI can't wait until this guy goes national and all the Independents get to hear about this stuff for the first time.",
">\n\nmore authoritarian fascism - the brain drain that's expected to hit flordia in the next 15 years will cripple the entire state. smart people don't like fascism and will not attend your schools and will flee and not return leaving no one to run the state.",
">\n\nThis will go down very well with the base, and DeSantis knows it. The more controversy about woke culture the better, as far as he's concerned. I don't think that he sees past getting the GOP presidential nomination. If the students and alums at New College (and they are), they will play him just as well as he hopes to play them. Think: nude sit-ins.",
">\n\nMaking Florida into an Orwellian nightmare, one step at a time.",
">\n\nFuck off Rufo. I went to school with this idiot. Wish I didn't understand how a son of immigrants could do the heinous shit he does. I'm glad this gets him out of Seattle and into the conservative clusterfuck that is 'Florida politics' but, fuck me man. Not like this.",
">\n\nParty of freedom -yeah right! Christofascist!"
] |
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yes.
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[
"Gov. Ron DeSantis appointed a group of hard-line conservative loyalists Friday into leadership positions at the New College of Florida, a move that comes as the Republican governor plots a remake of the state’s higher education system. \nSeveral of the appointees are vocal opponents of gender- and race-related education issues that have fueled the right’s culture wars in schools. They were picked as DeSantis, who is eyeing a potential 2024 White House run, vows to fight “philosophical lunacy” in the schools. \nOf the six appointed by DeSantis, the marquee names are Christopher Rufo, a conservative activist who helped turn critical race theory into a conservative rallying cry, and Matthew Spalding, a government professor at Hillsdale College, a conservative Christian college in Michigan. \nHillsdale’s digital digest, Imprimis, features the writing of conservative thinkers like Rufo, who has worked with DeSantis to combat issues like critical race theory and gender identity. The publication also includes articles with titles, like “The January 6 Insurrection Hoax,” “The Disaster at Our Southern Border,” “Gender Ideology Run Amok,” “Critical Race Theory: What it is and How to Fight it,” and “Who is in Control? The need to Rein in Big Tech.”\n\n\nApparently, Ron Desatan wants to make Florida into one giant Prager U—a white nationalist, creationist, dogma center that creates mindless drones.\n\nAt this point, if Ron Desantis gets his way and creates these universities, they should be seen as paper degrees, not even worth the paper they're printed on. What an absolute insult to freedom of thought, truth, and knowledge. Ron Desantis is a demagogue of the highest order.",
">\n\nHe's like Trump on steroids.",
">\n\nDesantis is also like Mike Pence on steroids. He'd send all LGBTQIA+ people to conversion therapy and subject them to Alan Turing style torture if he knew he could get away with it.",
">\n\nDolores Umbridge enters chat",
">\n\nAt this point, I'm think Dolores Umbridge might have been the author's self-insert character",
">\n\nIt feels like Texas and Florida are in a competition to see who can destroy their state faster. They are actively encouraging the brain drain of the smartest, well-trained people. Maybe they are trying to make Mississippi feel better about itself?",
">\n\nWeird how California is about to be wildly in debt and Texas and Florida.....are not.",
">\n\nAny day now. The world's fifth largest GDP is going to go onto dept. Any day now.... probably about the time Regannomics starts trickling down.\n/s",
">\n\nFor those not familiar with New College, this is particularly dangerous at a school like this. New College has a unique academic environment that encourages independent thought, inquiry and exploration. Wikipedia can explain more of the details, but it's essentially a college version of a montessori school.",
">\n\nAs a New College graduate I can say it's more liberal than any Montessori school. It's a rigorous honor school with very small class sizes, that is ridiculously easy to flunk out in, even for smart kids. You'd see people dropping out like flies. Has a history of allowing/nurturing strikingly non-conventional elements, as long as the students could master the work. It could resemble a molotov cocktail against traditional colleges. There's no fraternities, sororities, no worship of collegial sports. Most of the trustees DeSantis is inserting would flunk out or never go there.",
">\n\nMost of the trustees Desantis named would flunk out of any school, to be honest.",
">\n\nExactly.",
">\n\nI was just thinking to myself the other day, \n“I can’t wait to spend my money sending my intelligent daughter to a red state college where a frat bro has more rights raping her, than she has rights over her own body.”\n“Plus I definitely want her lectured daily on books approved by the kookiest moms for Liberty school boards and constantly harassed to be super duper christian to the point where they groom and groom groom her into stupidity believing magic sky daddy has more power over her future than she does.”\nSeriously, who is signing up for this?",
">\n\nthis is part of the idea, they want to destroy education for people who are not on their side",
">\n\nThere is no actual separation of church and state in America. When’s the last fucking time a Republican got in trouble legislating their bastardized view of Christianity?",
">\n\nIt never seems to happen. They never seem to be condemned for trying to enforce Christianity, because they'll accuse you of hating Christianity if you say it. States still don't allow atheists to run for office today, which no one bats an eye about for some reason. You won't hear mainstream media talk about the war on atheists, but they'll go off every year about the war on Christmas. Just ludicrous, all the way.",
">\n\nAbsolutely. The south has pushed this bullshit and the northern elites don’t say shit about it lest the get sideways glances at the congressional country club. \nIt’s pathetic.",
">\n\nThis isn't conservatism, this is the Christian Taliban imposing its Christofascism..",
">\n\nYep. They are the Y'all Qaeda.",
">\n\nThis asshole thinks the whole state should be remade to his preference.\nYou were elected Governor, not King.",
">\n\nCombined with DeSantis’ attack on elementary schools, this attempt to control college education would assure that Florida doesn’t have people well-enough educated to supply businesses with the quality of employees they need. \nDecent parents, intelligent young adults, and businesses will be leaving Florida as fast as possible. The state will be left with mainly old people and stupid people, in other words, Republicans.",
">\n\nI was born in Florida and lived there all my life. I left last year. If I ever have children, I've decided I don't want to raise them in the hellhole that state has become.",
">\n\nOur best friends, a Latino couple, bought a condo there 20 years ago for retirement. They just sold it when DeSantis won reelection. They said they wouldn’t be comfortable there when their gay friends and their trans niece came to visit. She said, ‘I wonder if any of you would even come to visit.’",
">\n\nI'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest that this will entirely destroy this particular institution of learning. The students and faculty should be outraged and make every effort to sabotage this hostile takeover.",
">\n\nWhat can they do? They have no rights. They can't even just go to another school because they will be replaced with new students and professors that agree with DeSantis.",
">\n\nThis particular school presents a challenge in replacing the faculty and student body, especially with ones sympathetic to right wing politics and meddling. It's more likely the enrollment will simply crater and the school will be forced to close. IMO, this is the real goal where New College is concerned.",
">\n\nRufo is a creationist. This should violate the separation of church and state.",
">\n\nYup. He's just upset over losing at creationism, which is an ultimate loser as a paradigm.",
">\n\nSo, would that make it a conservative arts college?",
">\n\nConservative and art don't belong in the same sentence. Conservatives aren't good at art, from what I've seen of dry uterus loving Ben Shapiro & child marriage advocate Matt Walsh.",
">\n\nHey, True Allegiance was a work of art!\nSure, the specific type of art was \"parody of Ben Shapiro\" and it was unwitting self-parody, but it was still art!",
">\n\nI'm glad there won't be any \"indoctrination\"",
">\n\nrufo is such a creepy little worm\ni think it’s really obvious that rufo and the rest of this big group of fascists don’t really care about what it is that gets them into power. they don’t care about crt or trans people or any of it. they just want to dominate people.\nif crt and progressive/leftist values actually were seeking to dominate people against their will like all these freak shows say, rufo and desantis would be leftists",
">\n\nyeah these people have not learned fear",
">\n\nFalse\nEvidence\nAppearing\nReal\n\nThis is what runs in the conservative mind. Religion teaches it to them from a young age, and they never outgrow it, unfortunately.",
">\n\nCan someone help me understand why DeSantis is able to personally choose administrators for a university?",
">\n\nI'm guessing it's a state school. So technically it falls under his final jurisdiction since it's run partially on tax payer money.",
">\n\nBill Lee tryin the same shit with hillsdale in TN and charter schools.",
">\n\nI can't wait until this guy goes national and all the Independents get to hear about this stuff for the first time.",
">\n\nmore authoritarian fascism - the brain drain that's expected to hit flordia in the next 15 years will cripple the entire state. smart people don't like fascism and will not attend your schools and will flee and not return leaving no one to run the state.",
">\n\nThis will go down very well with the base, and DeSantis knows it. The more controversy about woke culture the better, as far as he's concerned. I don't think that he sees past getting the GOP presidential nomination. If the students and alums at New College (and they are), they will play him just as well as he hopes to play them. Think: nude sit-ins.",
">\n\nMaking Florida into an Orwellian nightmare, one step at a time.",
">\n\nFuck off Rufo. I went to school with this idiot. Wish I didn't understand how a son of immigrants could do the heinous shit he does. I'm glad this gets him out of Seattle and into the conservative clusterfuck that is 'Florida politics' but, fuck me man. Not like this.",
">\n\nParty of freedom -yeah right! Christofascist!",
">\n\nHillsdale College. Is that Sean Hannity and Mark Levin’s Alma Mater?"
] |
>
Why is the governor in charge of a college?
|
[
"Gov. Ron DeSantis appointed a group of hard-line conservative loyalists Friday into leadership positions at the New College of Florida, a move that comes as the Republican governor plots a remake of the state’s higher education system. \nSeveral of the appointees are vocal opponents of gender- and race-related education issues that have fueled the right’s culture wars in schools. They were picked as DeSantis, who is eyeing a potential 2024 White House run, vows to fight “philosophical lunacy” in the schools. \nOf the six appointed by DeSantis, the marquee names are Christopher Rufo, a conservative activist who helped turn critical race theory into a conservative rallying cry, and Matthew Spalding, a government professor at Hillsdale College, a conservative Christian college in Michigan. \nHillsdale’s digital digest, Imprimis, features the writing of conservative thinkers like Rufo, who has worked with DeSantis to combat issues like critical race theory and gender identity. The publication also includes articles with titles, like “The January 6 Insurrection Hoax,” “The Disaster at Our Southern Border,” “Gender Ideology Run Amok,” “Critical Race Theory: What it is and How to Fight it,” and “Who is in Control? The need to Rein in Big Tech.”\n\n\nApparently, Ron Desatan wants to make Florida into one giant Prager U—a white nationalist, creationist, dogma center that creates mindless drones.\n\nAt this point, if Ron Desantis gets his way and creates these universities, they should be seen as paper degrees, not even worth the paper they're printed on. What an absolute insult to freedom of thought, truth, and knowledge. Ron Desantis is a demagogue of the highest order.",
">\n\nHe's like Trump on steroids.",
">\n\nDesantis is also like Mike Pence on steroids. He'd send all LGBTQIA+ people to conversion therapy and subject them to Alan Turing style torture if he knew he could get away with it.",
">\n\nDolores Umbridge enters chat",
">\n\nAt this point, I'm think Dolores Umbridge might have been the author's self-insert character",
">\n\nIt feels like Texas and Florida are in a competition to see who can destroy their state faster. They are actively encouraging the brain drain of the smartest, well-trained people. Maybe they are trying to make Mississippi feel better about itself?",
">\n\nWeird how California is about to be wildly in debt and Texas and Florida.....are not.",
">\n\nAny day now. The world's fifth largest GDP is going to go onto dept. Any day now.... probably about the time Regannomics starts trickling down.\n/s",
">\n\nFor those not familiar with New College, this is particularly dangerous at a school like this. New College has a unique academic environment that encourages independent thought, inquiry and exploration. Wikipedia can explain more of the details, but it's essentially a college version of a montessori school.",
">\n\nAs a New College graduate I can say it's more liberal than any Montessori school. It's a rigorous honor school with very small class sizes, that is ridiculously easy to flunk out in, even for smart kids. You'd see people dropping out like flies. Has a history of allowing/nurturing strikingly non-conventional elements, as long as the students could master the work. It could resemble a molotov cocktail against traditional colleges. There's no fraternities, sororities, no worship of collegial sports. Most of the trustees DeSantis is inserting would flunk out or never go there.",
">\n\nMost of the trustees Desantis named would flunk out of any school, to be honest.",
">\n\nExactly.",
">\n\nI was just thinking to myself the other day, \n“I can’t wait to spend my money sending my intelligent daughter to a red state college where a frat bro has more rights raping her, than she has rights over her own body.”\n“Plus I definitely want her lectured daily on books approved by the kookiest moms for Liberty school boards and constantly harassed to be super duper christian to the point where they groom and groom groom her into stupidity believing magic sky daddy has more power over her future than she does.”\nSeriously, who is signing up for this?",
">\n\nthis is part of the idea, they want to destroy education for people who are not on their side",
">\n\nThere is no actual separation of church and state in America. When’s the last fucking time a Republican got in trouble legislating their bastardized view of Christianity?",
">\n\nIt never seems to happen. They never seem to be condemned for trying to enforce Christianity, because they'll accuse you of hating Christianity if you say it. States still don't allow atheists to run for office today, which no one bats an eye about for some reason. You won't hear mainstream media talk about the war on atheists, but they'll go off every year about the war on Christmas. Just ludicrous, all the way.",
">\n\nAbsolutely. The south has pushed this bullshit and the northern elites don’t say shit about it lest the get sideways glances at the congressional country club. \nIt’s pathetic.",
">\n\nThis isn't conservatism, this is the Christian Taliban imposing its Christofascism..",
">\n\nYep. They are the Y'all Qaeda.",
">\n\nThis asshole thinks the whole state should be remade to his preference.\nYou were elected Governor, not King.",
">\n\nCombined with DeSantis’ attack on elementary schools, this attempt to control college education would assure that Florida doesn’t have people well-enough educated to supply businesses with the quality of employees they need. \nDecent parents, intelligent young adults, and businesses will be leaving Florida as fast as possible. The state will be left with mainly old people and stupid people, in other words, Republicans.",
">\n\nI was born in Florida and lived there all my life. I left last year. If I ever have children, I've decided I don't want to raise them in the hellhole that state has become.",
">\n\nOur best friends, a Latino couple, bought a condo there 20 years ago for retirement. They just sold it when DeSantis won reelection. They said they wouldn’t be comfortable there when their gay friends and their trans niece came to visit. She said, ‘I wonder if any of you would even come to visit.’",
">\n\nI'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest that this will entirely destroy this particular institution of learning. The students and faculty should be outraged and make every effort to sabotage this hostile takeover.",
">\n\nWhat can they do? They have no rights. They can't even just go to another school because they will be replaced with new students and professors that agree with DeSantis.",
">\n\nThis particular school presents a challenge in replacing the faculty and student body, especially with ones sympathetic to right wing politics and meddling. It's more likely the enrollment will simply crater and the school will be forced to close. IMO, this is the real goal where New College is concerned.",
">\n\nRufo is a creationist. This should violate the separation of church and state.",
">\n\nYup. He's just upset over losing at creationism, which is an ultimate loser as a paradigm.",
">\n\nSo, would that make it a conservative arts college?",
">\n\nConservative and art don't belong in the same sentence. Conservatives aren't good at art, from what I've seen of dry uterus loving Ben Shapiro & child marriage advocate Matt Walsh.",
">\n\nHey, True Allegiance was a work of art!\nSure, the specific type of art was \"parody of Ben Shapiro\" and it was unwitting self-parody, but it was still art!",
">\n\nI'm glad there won't be any \"indoctrination\"",
">\n\nrufo is such a creepy little worm\ni think it’s really obvious that rufo and the rest of this big group of fascists don’t really care about what it is that gets them into power. they don’t care about crt or trans people or any of it. they just want to dominate people.\nif crt and progressive/leftist values actually were seeking to dominate people against their will like all these freak shows say, rufo and desantis would be leftists",
">\n\nyeah these people have not learned fear",
">\n\nFalse\nEvidence\nAppearing\nReal\n\nThis is what runs in the conservative mind. Religion teaches it to them from a young age, and they never outgrow it, unfortunately.",
">\n\nCan someone help me understand why DeSantis is able to personally choose administrators for a university?",
">\n\nI'm guessing it's a state school. So technically it falls under his final jurisdiction since it's run partially on tax payer money.",
">\n\nBill Lee tryin the same shit with hillsdale in TN and charter schools.",
">\n\nI can't wait until this guy goes national and all the Independents get to hear about this stuff for the first time.",
">\n\nmore authoritarian fascism - the brain drain that's expected to hit flordia in the next 15 years will cripple the entire state. smart people don't like fascism and will not attend your schools and will flee and not return leaving no one to run the state.",
">\n\nThis will go down very well with the base, and DeSantis knows it. The more controversy about woke culture the better, as far as he's concerned. I don't think that he sees past getting the GOP presidential nomination. If the students and alums at New College (and they are), they will play him just as well as he hopes to play them. Think: nude sit-ins.",
">\n\nMaking Florida into an Orwellian nightmare, one step at a time.",
">\n\nFuck off Rufo. I went to school with this idiot. Wish I didn't understand how a son of immigrants could do the heinous shit he does. I'm glad this gets him out of Seattle and into the conservative clusterfuck that is 'Florida politics' but, fuck me man. Not like this.",
">\n\nParty of freedom -yeah right! Christofascist!",
">\n\nHillsdale College. Is that Sean Hannity and Mark Levin’s Alma Mater?",
">\n\nyes."
] |
>
What!? Next it will be Gainesville, Florida, bastion of partying liberals, bless their hearts.
|
[
"Gov. Ron DeSantis appointed a group of hard-line conservative loyalists Friday into leadership positions at the New College of Florida, a move that comes as the Republican governor plots a remake of the state’s higher education system. \nSeveral of the appointees are vocal opponents of gender- and race-related education issues that have fueled the right’s culture wars in schools. They were picked as DeSantis, who is eyeing a potential 2024 White House run, vows to fight “philosophical lunacy” in the schools. \nOf the six appointed by DeSantis, the marquee names are Christopher Rufo, a conservative activist who helped turn critical race theory into a conservative rallying cry, and Matthew Spalding, a government professor at Hillsdale College, a conservative Christian college in Michigan. \nHillsdale’s digital digest, Imprimis, features the writing of conservative thinkers like Rufo, who has worked with DeSantis to combat issues like critical race theory and gender identity. The publication also includes articles with titles, like “The January 6 Insurrection Hoax,” “The Disaster at Our Southern Border,” “Gender Ideology Run Amok,” “Critical Race Theory: What it is and How to Fight it,” and “Who is in Control? The need to Rein in Big Tech.”\n\n\nApparently, Ron Desatan wants to make Florida into one giant Prager U—a white nationalist, creationist, dogma center that creates mindless drones.\n\nAt this point, if Ron Desantis gets his way and creates these universities, they should be seen as paper degrees, not even worth the paper they're printed on. What an absolute insult to freedom of thought, truth, and knowledge. Ron Desantis is a demagogue of the highest order.",
">\n\nHe's like Trump on steroids.",
">\n\nDesantis is also like Mike Pence on steroids. He'd send all LGBTQIA+ people to conversion therapy and subject them to Alan Turing style torture if he knew he could get away with it.",
">\n\nDolores Umbridge enters chat",
">\n\nAt this point, I'm think Dolores Umbridge might have been the author's self-insert character",
">\n\nIt feels like Texas and Florida are in a competition to see who can destroy their state faster. They are actively encouraging the brain drain of the smartest, well-trained people. Maybe they are trying to make Mississippi feel better about itself?",
">\n\nWeird how California is about to be wildly in debt and Texas and Florida.....are not.",
">\n\nAny day now. The world's fifth largest GDP is going to go onto dept. Any day now.... probably about the time Regannomics starts trickling down.\n/s",
">\n\nFor those not familiar with New College, this is particularly dangerous at a school like this. New College has a unique academic environment that encourages independent thought, inquiry and exploration. Wikipedia can explain more of the details, but it's essentially a college version of a montessori school.",
">\n\nAs a New College graduate I can say it's more liberal than any Montessori school. It's a rigorous honor school with very small class sizes, that is ridiculously easy to flunk out in, even for smart kids. You'd see people dropping out like flies. Has a history of allowing/nurturing strikingly non-conventional elements, as long as the students could master the work. It could resemble a molotov cocktail against traditional colleges. There's no fraternities, sororities, no worship of collegial sports. Most of the trustees DeSantis is inserting would flunk out or never go there.",
">\n\nMost of the trustees Desantis named would flunk out of any school, to be honest.",
">\n\nExactly.",
">\n\nI was just thinking to myself the other day, \n“I can’t wait to spend my money sending my intelligent daughter to a red state college where a frat bro has more rights raping her, than she has rights over her own body.”\n“Plus I definitely want her lectured daily on books approved by the kookiest moms for Liberty school boards and constantly harassed to be super duper christian to the point where they groom and groom groom her into stupidity believing magic sky daddy has more power over her future than she does.”\nSeriously, who is signing up for this?",
">\n\nthis is part of the idea, they want to destroy education for people who are not on their side",
">\n\nThere is no actual separation of church and state in America. When’s the last fucking time a Republican got in trouble legislating their bastardized view of Christianity?",
">\n\nIt never seems to happen. They never seem to be condemned for trying to enforce Christianity, because they'll accuse you of hating Christianity if you say it. States still don't allow atheists to run for office today, which no one bats an eye about for some reason. You won't hear mainstream media talk about the war on atheists, but they'll go off every year about the war on Christmas. Just ludicrous, all the way.",
">\n\nAbsolutely. The south has pushed this bullshit and the northern elites don’t say shit about it lest the get sideways glances at the congressional country club. \nIt’s pathetic.",
">\n\nThis isn't conservatism, this is the Christian Taliban imposing its Christofascism..",
">\n\nYep. They are the Y'all Qaeda.",
">\n\nThis asshole thinks the whole state should be remade to his preference.\nYou were elected Governor, not King.",
">\n\nCombined with DeSantis’ attack on elementary schools, this attempt to control college education would assure that Florida doesn’t have people well-enough educated to supply businesses with the quality of employees they need. \nDecent parents, intelligent young adults, and businesses will be leaving Florida as fast as possible. The state will be left with mainly old people and stupid people, in other words, Republicans.",
">\n\nI was born in Florida and lived there all my life. I left last year. If I ever have children, I've decided I don't want to raise them in the hellhole that state has become.",
">\n\nOur best friends, a Latino couple, bought a condo there 20 years ago for retirement. They just sold it when DeSantis won reelection. They said they wouldn’t be comfortable there when their gay friends and their trans niece came to visit. She said, ‘I wonder if any of you would even come to visit.’",
">\n\nI'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest that this will entirely destroy this particular institution of learning. The students and faculty should be outraged and make every effort to sabotage this hostile takeover.",
">\n\nWhat can they do? They have no rights. They can't even just go to another school because they will be replaced with new students and professors that agree with DeSantis.",
">\n\nThis particular school presents a challenge in replacing the faculty and student body, especially with ones sympathetic to right wing politics and meddling. It's more likely the enrollment will simply crater and the school will be forced to close. IMO, this is the real goal where New College is concerned.",
">\n\nRufo is a creationist. This should violate the separation of church and state.",
">\n\nYup. He's just upset over losing at creationism, which is an ultimate loser as a paradigm.",
">\n\nSo, would that make it a conservative arts college?",
">\n\nConservative and art don't belong in the same sentence. Conservatives aren't good at art, from what I've seen of dry uterus loving Ben Shapiro & child marriage advocate Matt Walsh.",
">\n\nHey, True Allegiance was a work of art!\nSure, the specific type of art was \"parody of Ben Shapiro\" and it was unwitting self-parody, but it was still art!",
">\n\nI'm glad there won't be any \"indoctrination\"",
">\n\nrufo is such a creepy little worm\ni think it’s really obvious that rufo and the rest of this big group of fascists don’t really care about what it is that gets them into power. they don’t care about crt or trans people or any of it. they just want to dominate people.\nif crt and progressive/leftist values actually were seeking to dominate people against their will like all these freak shows say, rufo and desantis would be leftists",
">\n\nyeah these people have not learned fear",
">\n\nFalse\nEvidence\nAppearing\nReal\n\nThis is what runs in the conservative mind. Religion teaches it to them from a young age, and they never outgrow it, unfortunately.",
">\n\nCan someone help me understand why DeSantis is able to personally choose administrators for a university?",
">\n\nI'm guessing it's a state school. So technically it falls under his final jurisdiction since it's run partially on tax payer money.",
">\n\nBill Lee tryin the same shit with hillsdale in TN and charter schools.",
">\n\nI can't wait until this guy goes national and all the Independents get to hear about this stuff for the first time.",
">\n\nmore authoritarian fascism - the brain drain that's expected to hit flordia in the next 15 years will cripple the entire state. smart people don't like fascism and will not attend your schools and will flee and not return leaving no one to run the state.",
">\n\nThis will go down very well with the base, and DeSantis knows it. The more controversy about woke culture the better, as far as he's concerned. I don't think that he sees past getting the GOP presidential nomination. If the students and alums at New College (and they are), they will play him just as well as he hopes to play them. Think: nude sit-ins.",
">\n\nMaking Florida into an Orwellian nightmare, one step at a time.",
">\n\nFuck off Rufo. I went to school with this idiot. Wish I didn't understand how a son of immigrants could do the heinous shit he does. I'm glad this gets him out of Seattle and into the conservative clusterfuck that is 'Florida politics' but, fuck me man. Not like this.",
">\n\nParty of freedom -yeah right! Christofascist!",
">\n\nHillsdale College. Is that Sean Hannity and Mark Levin’s Alma Mater?",
">\n\nyes.",
">\n\nWhy is the governor in charge of a college?"
] |
>
He already installed Ben Sasse as president. And then they made protesting more difficult.
|
[
"Gov. Ron DeSantis appointed a group of hard-line conservative loyalists Friday into leadership positions at the New College of Florida, a move that comes as the Republican governor plots a remake of the state’s higher education system. \nSeveral of the appointees are vocal opponents of gender- and race-related education issues that have fueled the right’s culture wars in schools. They were picked as DeSantis, who is eyeing a potential 2024 White House run, vows to fight “philosophical lunacy” in the schools. \nOf the six appointed by DeSantis, the marquee names are Christopher Rufo, a conservative activist who helped turn critical race theory into a conservative rallying cry, and Matthew Spalding, a government professor at Hillsdale College, a conservative Christian college in Michigan. \nHillsdale’s digital digest, Imprimis, features the writing of conservative thinkers like Rufo, who has worked with DeSantis to combat issues like critical race theory and gender identity. The publication also includes articles with titles, like “The January 6 Insurrection Hoax,” “The Disaster at Our Southern Border,” “Gender Ideology Run Amok,” “Critical Race Theory: What it is and How to Fight it,” and “Who is in Control? The need to Rein in Big Tech.”\n\n\nApparently, Ron Desatan wants to make Florida into one giant Prager U—a white nationalist, creationist, dogma center that creates mindless drones.\n\nAt this point, if Ron Desantis gets his way and creates these universities, they should be seen as paper degrees, not even worth the paper they're printed on. What an absolute insult to freedom of thought, truth, and knowledge. Ron Desantis is a demagogue of the highest order.",
">\n\nHe's like Trump on steroids.",
">\n\nDesantis is also like Mike Pence on steroids. He'd send all LGBTQIA+ people to conversion therapy and subject them to Alan Turing style torture if he knew he could get away with it.",
">\n\nDolores Umbridge enters chat",
">\n\nAt this point, I'm think Dolores Umbridge might have been the author's self-insert character",
">\n\nIt feels like Texas and Florida are in a competition to see who can destroy their state faster. They are actively encouraging the brain drain of the smartest, well-trained people. Maybe they are trying to make Mississippi feel better about itself?",
">\n\nWeird how California is about to be wildly in debt and Texas and Florida.....are not.",
">\n\nAny day now. The world's fifth largest GDP is going to go onto dept. Any day now.... probably about the time Regannomics starts trickling down.\n/s",
">\n\nFor those not familiar with New College, this is particularly dangerous at a school like this. New College has a unique academic environment that encourages independent thought, inquiry and exploration. Wikipedia can explain more of the details, but it's essentially a college version of a montessori school.",
">\n\nAs a New College graduate I can say it's more liberal than any Montessori school. It's a rigorous honor school with very small class sizes, that is ridiculously easy to flunk out in, even for smart kids. You'd see people dropping out like flies. Has a history of allowing/nurturing strikingly non-conventional elements, as long as the students could master the work. It could resemble a molotov cocktail against traditional colleges. There's no fraternities, sororities, no worship of collegial sports. Most of the trustees DeSantis is inserting would flunk out or never go there.",
">\n\nMost of the trustees Desantis named would flunk out of any school, to be honest.",
">\n\nExactly.",
">\n\nI was just thinking to myself the other day, \n“I can’t wait to spend my money sending my intelligent daughter to a red state college where a frat bro has more rights raping her, than she has rights over her own body.”\n“Plus I definitely want her lectured daily on books approved by the kookiest moms for Liberty school boards and constantly harassed to be super duper christian to the point where they groom and groom groom her into stupidity believing magic sky daddy has more power over her future than she does.”\nSeriously, who is signing up for this?",
">\n\nthis is part of the idea, they want to destroy education for people who are not on their side",
">\n\nThere is no actual separation of church and state in America. When’s the last fucking time a Republican got in trouble legislating their bastardized view of Christianity?",
">\n\nIt never seems to happen. They never seem to be condemned for trying to enforce Christianity, because they'll accuse you of hating Christianity if you say it. States still don't allow atheists to run for office today, which no one bats an eye about for some reason. You won't hear mainstream media talk about the war on atheists, but they'll go off every year about the war on Christmas. Just ludicrous, all the way.",
">\n\nAbsolutely. The south has pushed this bullshit and the northern elites don’t say shit about it lest the get sideways glances at the congressional country club. \nIt’s pathetic.",
">\n\nThis isn't conservatism, this is the Christian Taliban imposing its Christofascism..",
">\n\nYep. They are the Y'all Qaeda.",
">\n\nThis asshole thinks the whole state should be remade to his preference.\nYou were elected Governor, not King.",
">\n\nCombined with DeSantis’ attack on elementary schools, this attempt to control college education would assure that Florida doesn’t have people well-enough educated to supply businesses with the quality of employees they need. \nDecent parents, intelligent young adults, and businesses will be leaving Florida as fast as possible. The state will be left with mainly old people and stupid people, in other words, Republicans.",
">\n\nI was born in Florida and lived there all my life. I left last year. If I ever have children, I've decided I don't want to raise them in the hellhole that state has become.",
">\n\nOur best friends, a Latino couple, bought a condo there 20 years ago for retirement. They just sold it when DeSantis won reelection. They said they wouldn’t be comfortable there when their gay friends and their trans niece came to visit. She said, ‘I wonder if any of you would even come to visit.’",
">\n\nI'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest that this will entirely destroy this particular institution of learning. The students and faculty should be outraged and make every effort to sabotage this hostile takeover.",
">\n\nWhat can they do? They have no rights. They can't even just go to another school because they will be replaced with new students and professors that agree with DeSantis.",
">\n\nThis particular school presents a challenge in replacing the faculty and student body, especially with ones sympathetic to right wing politics and meddling. It's more likely the enrollment will simply crater and the school will be forced to close. IMO, this is the real goal where New College is concerned.",
">\n\nRufo is a creationist. This should violate the separation of church and state.",
">\n\nYup. He's just upset over losing at creationism, which is an ultimate loser as a paradigm.",
">\n\nSo, would that make it a conservative arts college?",
">\n\nConservative and art don't belong in the same sentence. Conservatives aren't good at art, from what I've seen of dry uterus loving Ben Shapiro & child marriage advocate Matt Walsh.",
">\n\nHey, True Allegiance was a work of art!\nSure, the specific type of art was \"parody of Ben Shapiro\" and it was unwitting self-parody, but it was still art!",
">\n\nI'm glad there won't be any \"indoctrination\"",
">\n\nrufo is such a creepy little worm\ni think it’s really obvious that rufo and the rest of this big group of fascists don’t really care about what it is that gets them into power. they don’t care about crt or trans people or any of it. they just want to dominate people.\nif crt and progressive/leftist values actually were seeking to dominate people against their will like all these freak shows say, rufo and desantis would be leftists",
">\n\nyeah these people have not learned fear",
">\n\nFalse\nEvidence\nAppearing\nReal\n\nThis is what runs in the conservative mind. Religion teaches it to them from a young age, and they never outgrow it, unfortunately.",
">\n\nCan someone help me understand why DeSantis is able to personally choose administrators for a university?",
">\n\nI'm guessing it's a state school. So technically it falls under his final jurisdiction since it's run partially on tax payer money.",
">\n\nBill Lee tryin the same shit with hillsdale in TN and charter schools.",
">\n\nI can't wait until this guy goes national and all the Independents get to hear about this stuff for the first time.",
">\n\nmore authoritarian fascism - the brain drain that's expected to hit flordia in the next 15 years will cripple the entire state. smart people don't like fascism and will not attend your schools and will flee and not return leaving no one to run the state.",
">\n\nThis will go down very well with the base, and DeSantis knows it. The more controversy about woke culture the better, as far as he's concerned. I don't think that he sees past getting the GOP presidential nomination. If the students and alums at New College (and they are), they will play him just as well as he hopes to play them. Think: nude sit-ins.",
">\n\nMaking Florida into an Orwellian nightmare, one step at a time.",
">\n\nFuck off Rufo. I went to school with this idiot. Wish I didn't understand how a son of immigrants could do the heinous shit he does. I'm glad this gets him out of Seattle and into the conservative clusterfuck that is 'Florida politics' but, fuck me man. Not like this.",
">\n\nParty of freedom -yeah right! Christofascist!",
">\n\nHillsdale College. Is that Sean Hannity and Mark Levin’s Alma Mater?",
">\n\nyes.",
">\n\nWhy is the governor in charge of a college?",
">\n\nWhat!? Next it will be Gainesville, Florida, bastion of partying liberals, bless their hearts."
] |
>
Well I do wonder how that will impact the universities standing and application rate. Liberal arts students are very well know for picking right wing authoritarian propaganda as their first choice for education.
|
[
"Gov. Ron DeSantis appointed a group of hard-line conservative loyalists Friday into leadership positions at the New College of Florida, a move that comes as the Republican governor plots a remake of the state’s higher education system. \nSeveral of the appointees are vocal opponents of gender- and race-related education issues that have fueled the right’s culture wars in schools. They were picked as DeSantis, who is eyeing a potential 2024 White House run, vows to fight “philosophical lunacy” in the schools. \nOf the six appointed by DeSantis, the marquee names are Christopher Rufo, a conservative activist who helped turn critical race theory into a conservative rallying cry, and Matthew Spalding, a government professor at Hillsdale College, a conservative Christian college in Michigan. \nHillsdale’s digital digest, Imprimis, features the writing of conservative thinkers like Rufo, who has worked with DeSantis to combat issues like critical race theory and gender identity. The publication also includes articles with titles, like “The January 6 Insurrection Hoax,” “The Disaster at Our Southern Border,” “Gender Ideology Run Amok,” “Critical Race Theory: What it is and How to Fight it,” and “Who is in Control? The need to Rein in Big Tech.”\n\n\nApparently, Ron Desatan wants to make Florida into one giant Prager U—a white nationalist, creationist, dogma center that creates mindless drones.\n\nAt this point, if Ron Desantis gets his way and creates these universities, they should be seen as paper degrees, not even worth the paper they're printed on. What an absolute insult to freedom of thought, truth, and knowledge. Ron Desantis is a demagogue of the highest order.",
">\n\nHe's like Trump on steroids.",
">\n\nDesantis is also like Mike Pence on steroids. He'd send all LGBTQIA+ people to conversion therapy and subject them to Alan Turing style torture if he knew he could get away with it.",
">\n\nDolores Umbridge enters chat",
">\n\nAt this point, I'm think Dolores Umbridge might have been the author's self-insert character",
">\n\nIt feels like Texas and Florida are in a competition to see who can destroy their state faster. They are actively encouraging the brain drain of the smartest, well-trained people. Maybe they are trying to make Mississippi feel better about itself?",
">\n\nWeird how California is about to be wildly in debt and Texas and Florida.....are not.",
">\n\nAny day now. The world's fifth largest GDP is going to go onto dept. Any day now.... probably about the time Regannomics starts trickling down.\n/s",
">\n\nFor those not familiar with New College, this is particularly dangerous at a school like this. New College has a unique academic environment that encourages independent thought, inquiry and exploration. Wikipedia can explain more of the details, but it's essentially a college version of a montessori school.",
">\n\nAs a New College graduate I can say it's more liberal than any Montessori school. It's a rigorous honor school with very small class sizes, that is ridiculously easy to flunk out in, even for smart kids. You'd see people dropping out like flies. Has a history of allowing/nurturing strikingly non-conventional elements, as long as the students could master the work. It could resemble a molotov cocktail against traditional colleges. There's no fraternities, sororities, no worship of collegial sports. Most of the trustees DeSantis is inserting would flunk out or never go there.",
">\n\nMost of the trustees Desantis named would flunk out of any school, to be honest.",
">\n\nExactly.",
">\n\nI was just thinking to myself the other day, \n“I can’t wait to spend my money sending my intelligent daughter to a red state college where a frat bro has more rights raping her, than she has rights over her own body.”\n“Plus I definitely want her lectured daily on books approved by the kookiest moms for Liberty school boards and constantly harassed to be super duper christian to the point where they groom and groom groom her into stupidity believing magic sky daddy has more power over her future than she does.”\nSeriously, who is signing up for this?",
">\n\nthis is part of the idea, they want to destroy education for people who are not on their side",
">\n\nThere is no actual separation of church and state in America. When’s the last fucking time a Republican got in trouble legislating their bastardized view of Christianity?",
">\n\nIt never seems to happen. They never seem to be condemned for trying to enforce Christianity, because they'll accuse you of hating Christianity if you say it. States still don't allow atheists to run for office today, which no one bats an eye about for some reason. You won't hear mainstream media talk about the war on atheists, but they'll go off every year about the war on Christmas. Just ludicrous, all the way.",
">\n\nAbsolutely. The south has pushed this bullshit and the northern elites don’t say shit about it lest the get sideways glances at the congressional country club. \nIt’s pathetic.",
">\n\nThis isn't conservatism, this is the Christian Taliban imposing its Christofascism..",
">\n\nYep. They are the Y'all Qaeda.",
">\n\nThis asshole thinks the whole state should be remade to his preference.\nYou were elected Governor, not King.",
">\n\nCombined with DeSantis’ attack on elementary schools, this attempt to control college education would assure that Florida doesn’t have people well-enough educated to supply businesses with the quality of employees they need. \nDecent parents, intelligent young adults, and businesses will be leaving Florida as fast as possible. The state will be left with mainly old people and stupid people, in other words, Republicans.",
">\n\nI was born in Florida and lived there all my life. I left last year. If I ever have children, I've decided I don't want to raise them in the hellhole that state has become.",
">\n\nOur best friends, a Latino couple, bought a condo there 20 years ago for retirement. They just sold it when DeSantis won reelection. They said they wouldn’t be comfortable there when their gay friends and their trans niece came to visit. She said, ‘I wonder if any of you would even come to visit.’",
">\n\nI'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest that this will entirely destroy this particular institution of learning. The students and faculty should be outraged and make every effort to sabotage this hostile takeover.",
">\n\nWhat can they do? They have no rights. They can't even just go to another school because they will be replaced with new students and professors that agree with DeSantis.",
">\n\nThis particular school presents a challenge in replacing the faculty and student body, especially with ones sympathetic to right wing politics and meddling. It's more likely the enrollment will simply crater and the school will be forced to close. IMO, this is the real goal where New College is concerned.",
">\n\nRufo is a creationist. This should violate the separation of church and state.",
">\n\nYup. He's just upset over losing at creationism, which is an ultimate loser as a paradigm.",
">\n\nSo, would that make it a conservative arts college?",
">\n\nConservative and art don't belong in the same sentence. Conservatives aren't good at art, from what I've seen of dry uterus loving Ben Shapiro & child marriage advocate Matt Walsh.",
">\n\nHey, True Allegiance was a work of art!\nSure, the specific type of art was \"parody of Ben Shapiro\" and it was unwitting self-parody, but it was still art!",
">\n\nI'm glad there won't be any \"indoctrination\"",
">\n\nrufo is such a creepy little worm\ni think it’s really obvious that rufo and the rest of this big group of fascists don’t really care about what it is that gets them into power. they don’t care about crt or trans people or any of it. they just want to dominate people.\nif crt and progressive/leftist values actually were seeking to dominate people against their will like all these freak shows say, rufo and desantis would be leftists",
">\n\nyeah these people have not learned fear",
">\n\nFalse\nEvidence\nAppearing\nReal\n\nThis is what runs in the conservative mind. Religion teaches it to them from a young age, and they never outgrow it, unfortunately.",
">\n\nCan someone help me understand why DeSantis is able to personally choose administrators for a university?",
">\n\nI'm guessing it's a state school. So technically it falls under his final jurisdiction since it's run partially on tax payer money.",
">\n\nBill Lee tryin the same shit with hillsdale in TN and charter schools.",
">\n\nI can't wait until this guy goes national and all the Independents get to hear about this stuff for the first time.",
">\n\nmore authoritarian fascism - the brain drain that's expected to hit flordia in the next 15 years will cripple the entire state. smart people don't like fascism and will not attend your schools and will flee and not return leaving no one to run the state.",
">\n\nThis will go down very well with the base, and DeSantis knows it. The more controversy about woke culture the better, as far as he's concerned. I don't think that he sees past getting the GOP presidential nomination. If the students and alums at New College (and they are), they will play him just as well as he hopes to play them. Think: nude sit-ins.",
">\n\nMaking Florida into an Orwellian nightmare, one step at a time.",
">\n\nFuck off Rufo. I went to school with this idiot. Wish I didn't understand how a son of immigrants could do the heinous shit he does. I'm glad this gets him out of Seattle and into the conservative clusterfuck that is 'Florida politics' but, fuck me man. Not like this.",
">\n\nParty of freedom -yeah right! Christofascist!",
">\n\nHillsdale College. Is that Sean Hannity and Mark Levin’s Alma Mater?",
">\n\nyes.",
">\n\nWhy is the governor in charge of a college?",
">\n\nWhat!? Next it will be Gainesville, Florida, bastion of partying liberals, bless their hearts.",
">\n\nHe already installed Ben Sasse as president. And then they made protesting more difficult."
] |
>
This is why DeSantis is scary as a president he's not a idiot like trump was.
|
[
"Gov. Ron DeSantis appointed a group of hard-line conservative loyalists Friday into leadership positions at the New College of Florida, a move that comes as the Republican governor plots a remake of the state’s higher education system. \nSeveral of the appointees are vocal opponents of gender- and race-related education issues that have fueled the right’s culture wars in schools. They were picked as DeSantis, who is eyeing a potential 2024 White House run, vows to fight “philosophical lunacy” in the schools. \nOf the six appointed by DeSantis, the marquee names are Christopher Rufo, a conservative activist who helped turn critical race theory into a conservative rallying cry, and Matthew Spalding, a government professor at Hillsdale College, a conservative Christian college in Michigan. \nHillsdale’s digital digest, Imprimis, features the writing of conservative thinkers like Rufo, who has worked with DeSantis to combat issues like critical race theory and gender identity. The publication also includes articles with titles, like “The January 6 Insurrection Hoax,” “The Disaster at Our Southern Border,” “Gender Ideology Run Amok,” “Critical Race Theory: What it is and How to Fight it,” and “Who is in Control? The need to Rein in Big Tech.”\n\n\nApparently, Ron Desatan wants to make Florida into one giant Prager U—a white nationalist, creationist, dogma center that creates mindless drones.\n\nAt this point, if Ron Desantis gets his way and creates these universities, they should be seen as paper degrees, not even worth the paper they're printed on. What an absolute insult to freedom of thought, truth, and knowledge. Ron Desantis is a demagogue of the highest order.",
">\n\nHe's like Trump on steroids.",
">\n\nDesantis is also like Mike Pence on steroids. He'd send all LGBTQIA+ people to conversion therapy and subject them to Alan Turing style torture if he knew he could get away with it.",
">\n\nDolores Umbridge enters chat",
">\n\nAt this point, I'm think Dolores Umbridge might have been the author's self-insert character",
">\n\nIt feels like Texas and Florida are in a competition to see who can destroy their state faster. They are actively encouraging the brain drain of the smartest, well-trained people. Maybe they are trying to make Mississippi feel better about itself?",
">\n\nWeird how California is about to be wildly in debt and Texas and Florida.....are not.",
">\n\nAny day now. The world's fifth largest GDP is going to go onto dept. Any day now.... probably about the time Regannomics starts trickling down.\n/s",
">\n\nFor those not familiar with New College, this is particularly dangerous at a school like this. New College has a unique academic environment that encourages independent thought, inquiry and exploration. Wikipedia can explain more of the details, but it's essentially a college version of a montessori school.",
">\n\nAs a New College graduate I can say it's more liberal than any Montessori school. It's a rigorous honor school with very small class sizes, that is ridiculously easy to flunk out in, even for smart kids. You'd see people dropping out like flies. Has a history of allowing/nurturing strikingly non-conventional elements, as long as the students could master the work. It could resemble a molotov cocktail against traditional colleges. There's no fraternities, sororities, no worship of collegial sports. Most of the trustees DeSantis is inserting would flunk out or never go there.",
">\n\nMost of the trustees Desantis named would flunk out of any school, to be honest.",
">\n\nExactly.",
">\n\nI was just thinking to myself the other day, \n“I can’t wait to spend my money sending my intelligent daughter to a red state college where a frat bro has more rights raping her, than she has rights over her own body.”\n“Plus I definitely want her lectured daily on books approved by the kookiest moms for Liberty school boards and constantly harassed to be super duper christian to the point where they groom and groom groom her into stupidity believing magic sky daddy has more power over her future than she does.”\nSeriously, who is signing up for this?",
">\n\nthis is part of the idea, they want to destroy education for people who are not on their side",
">\n\nThere is no actual separation of church and state in America. When’s the last fucking time a Republican got in trouble legislating their bastardized view of Christianity?",
">\n\nIt never seems to happen. They never seem to be condemned for trying to enforce Christianity, because they'll accuse you of hating Christianity if you say it. States still don't allow atheists to run for office today, which no one bats an eye about for some reason. You won't hear mainstream media talk about the war on atheists, but they'll go off every year about the war on Christmas. Just ludicrous, all the way.",
">\n\nAbsolutely. The south has pushed this bullshit and the northern elites don’t say shit about it lest the get sideways glances at the congressional country club. \nIt’s pathetic.",
">\n\nThis isn't conservatism, this is the Christian Taliban imposing its Christofascism..",
">\n\nYep. They are the Y'all Qaeda.",
">\n\nThis asshole thinks the whole state should be remade to his preference.\nYou were elected Governor, not King.",
">\n\nCombined with DeSantis’ attack on elementary schools, this attempt to control college education would assure that Florida doesn’t have people well-enough educated to supply businesses with the quality of employees they need. \nDecent parents, intelligent young adults, and businesses will be leaving Florida as fast as possible. The state will be left with mainly old people and stupid people, in other words, Republicans.",
">\n\nI was born in Florida and lived there all my life. I left last year. If I ever have children, I've decided I don't want to raise them in the hellhole that state has become.",
">\n\nOur best friends, a Latino couple, bought a condo there 20 years ago for retirement. They just sold it when DeSantis won reelection. They said they wouldn’t be comfortable there when their gay friends and their trans niece came to visit. She said, ‘I wonder if any of you would even come to visit.’",
">\n\nI'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest that this will entirely destroy this particular institution of learning. The students and faculty should be outraged and make every effort to sabotage this hostile takeover.",
">\n\nWhat can they do? They have no rights. They can't even just go to another school because they will be replaced with new students and professors that agree with DeSantis.",
">\n\nThis particular school presents a challenge in replacing the faculty and student body, especially with ones sympathetic to right wing politics and meddling. It's more likely the enrollment will simply crater and the school will be forced to close. IMO, this is the real goal where New College is concerned.",
">\n\nRufo is a creationist. This should violate the separation of church and state.",
">\n\nYup. He's just upset over losing at creationism, which is an ultimate loser as a paradigm.",
">\n\nSo, would that make it a conservative arts college?",
">\n\nConservative and art don't belong in the same sentence. Conservatives aren't good at art, from what I've seen of dry uterus loving Ben Shapiro & child marriage advocate Matt Walsh.",
">\n\nHey, True Allegiance was a work of art!\nSure, the specific type of art was \"parody of Ben Shapiro\" and it was unwitting self-parody, but it was still art!",
">\n\nI'm glad there won't be any \"indoctrination\"",
">\n\nrufo is such a creepy little worm\ni think it’s really obvious that rufo and the rest of this big group of fascists don’t really care about what it is that gets them into power. they don’t care about crt or trans people or any of it. they just want to dominate people.\nif crt and progressive/leftist values actually were seeking to dominate people against their will like all these freak shows say, rufo and desantis would be leftists",
">\n\nyeah these people have not learned fear",
">\n\nFalse\nEvidence\nAppearing\nReal\n\nThis is what runs in the conservative mind. Religion teaches it to them from a young age, and they never outgrow it, unfortunately.",
">\n\nCan someone help me understand why DeSantis is able to personally choose administrators for a university?",
">\n\nI'm guessing it's a state school. So technically it falls under his final jurisdiction since it's run partially on tax payer money.",
">\n\nBill Lee tryin the same shit with hillsdale in TN and charter schools.",
">\n\nI can't wait until this guy goes national and all the Independents get to hear about this stuff for the first time.",
">\n\nmore authoritarian fascism - the brain drain that's expected to hit flordia in the next 15 years will cripple the entire state. smart people don't like fascism and will not attend your schools and will flee and not return leaving no one to run the state.",
">\n\nThis will go down very well with the base, and DeSantis knows it. The more controversy about woke culture the better, as far as he's concerned. I don't think that he sees past getting the GOP presidential nomination. If the students and alums at New College (and they are), they will play him just as well as he hopes to play them. Think: nude sit-ins.",
">\n\nMaking Florida into an Orwellian nightmare, one step at a time.",
">\n\nFuck off Rufo. I went to school with this idiot. Wish I didn't understand how a son of immigrants could do the heinous shit he does. I'm glad this gets him out of Seattle and into the conservative clusterfuck that is 'Florida politics' but, fuck me man. Not like this.",
">\n\nParty of freedom -yeah right! Christofascist!",
">\n\nHillsdale College. Is that Sean Hannity and Mark Levin’s Alma Mater?",
">\n\nyes.",
">\n\nWhy is the governor in charge of a college?",
">\n\nWhat!? Next it will be Gainesville, Florida, bastion of partying liberals, bless their hearts.",
">\n\nHe already installed Ben Sasse as president. And then they made protesting more difficult.",
">\n\nWell I do wonder how that will impact the universities standing and application rate. Liberal arts students are very well know for picking right wing authoritarian propaganda as their first choice for education."
] |
>
Yet another reason to avoid Florida.
|
[
"Gov. Ron DeSantis appointed a group of hard-line conservative loyalists Friday into leadership positions at the New College of Florida, a move that comes as the Republican governor plots a remake of the state’s higher education system. \nSeveral of the appointees are vocal opponents of gender- and race-related education issues that have fueled the right’s culture wars in schools. They were picked as DeSantis, who is eyeing a potential 2024 White House run, vows to fight “philosophical lunacy” in the schools. \nOf the six appointed by DeSantis, the marquee names are Christopher Rufo, a conservative activist who helped turn critical race theory into a conservative rallying cry, and Matthew Spalding, a government professor at Hillsdale College, a conservative Christian college in Michigan. \nHillsdale’s digital digest, Imprimis, features the writing of conservative thinkers like Rufo, who has worked with DeSantis to combat issues like critical race theory and gender identity. The publication also includes articles with titles, like “The January 6 Insurrection Hoax,” “The Disaster at Our Southern Border,” “Gender Ideology Run Amok,” “Critical Race Theory: What it is and How to Fight it,” and “Who is in Control? The need to Rein in Big Tech.”\n\n\nApparently, Ron Desatan wants to make Florida into one giant Prager U—a white nationalist, creationist, dogma center that creates mindless drones.\n\nAt this point, if Ron Desantis gets his way and creates these universities, they should be seen as paper degrees, not even worth the paper they're printed on. What an absolute insult to freedom of thought, truth, and knowledge. Ron Desantis is a demagogue of the highest order.",
">\n\nHe's like Trump on steroids.",
">\n\nDesantis is also like Mike Pence on steroids. He'd send all LGBTQIA+ people to conversion therapy and subject them to Alan Turing style torture if he knew he could get away with it.",
">\n\nDolores Umbridge enters chat",
">\n\nAt this point, I'm think Dolores Umbridge might have been the author's self-insert character",
">\n\nIt feels like Texas and Florida are in a competition to see who can destroy their state faster. They are actively encouraging the brain drain of the smartest, well-trained people. Maybe they are trying to make Mississippi feel better about itself?",
">\n\nWeird how California is about to be wildly in debt and Texas and Florida.....are not.",
">\n\nAny day now. The world's fifth largest GDP is going to go onto dept. Any day now.... probably about the time Regannomics starts trickling down.\n/s",
">\n\nFor those not familiar with New College, this is particularly dangerous at a school like this. New College has a unique academic environment that encourages independent thought, inquiry and exploration. Wikipedia can explain more of the details, but it's essentially a college version of a montessori school.",
">\n\nAs a New College graduate I can say it's more liberal than any Montessori school. It's a rigorous honor school with very small class sizes, that is ridiculously easy to flunk out in, even for smart kids. You'd see people dropping out like flies. Has a history of allowing/nurturing strikingly non-conventional elements, as long as the students could master the work. It could resemble a molotov cocktail against traditional colleges. There's no fraternities, sororities, no worship of collegial sports. Most of the trustees DeSantis is inserting would flunk out or never go there.",
">\n\nMost of the trustees Desantis named would flunk out of any school, to be honest.",
">\n\nExactly.",
">\n\nI was just thinking to myself the other day, \n“I can’t wait to spend my money sending my intelligent daughter to a red state college where a frat bro has more rights raping her, than she has rights over her own body.”\n“Plus I definitely want her lectured daily on books approved by the kookiest moms for Liberty school boards and constantly harassed to be super duper christian to the point where they groom and groom groom her into stupidity believing magic sky daddy has more power over her future than she does.”\nSeriously, who is signing up for this?",
">\n\nthis is part of the idea, they want to destroy education for people who are not on their side",
">\n\nThere is no actual separation of church and state in America. When’s the last fucking time a Republican got in trouble legislating their bastardized view of Christianity?",
">\n\nIt never seems to happen. They never seem to be condemned for trying to enforce Christianity, because they'll accuse you of hating Christianity if you say it. States still don't allow atheists to run for office today, which no one bats an eye about for some reason. You won't hear mainstream media talk about the war on atheists, but they'll go off every year about the war on Christmas. Just ludicrous, all the way.",
">\n\nAbsolutely. The south has pushed this bullshit and the northern elites don’t say shit about it lest the get sideways glances at the congressional country club. \nIt’s pathetic.",
">\n\nThis isn't conservatism, this is the Christian Taliban imposing its Christofascism..",
">\n\nYep. They are the Y'all Qaeda.",
">\n\nThis asshole thinks the whole state should be remade to his preference.\nYou were elected Governor, not King.",
">\n\nCombined with DeSantis’ attack on elementary schools, this attempt to control college education would assure that Florida doesn’t have people well-enough educated to supply businesses with the quality of employees they need. \nDecent parents, intelligent young adults, and businesses will be leaving Florida as fast as possible. The state will be left with mainly old people and stupid people, in other words, Republicans.",
">\n\nI was born in Florida and lived there all my life. I left last year. If I ever have children, I've decided I don't want to raise them in the hellhole that state has become.",
">\n\nOur best friends, a Latino couple, bought a condo there 20 years ago for retirement. They just sold it when DeSantis won reelection. They said they wouldn’t be comfortable there when their gay friends and their trans niece came to visit. She said, ‘I wonder if any of you would even come to visit.’",
">\n\nI'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest that this will entirely destroy this particular institution of learning. The students and faculty should be outraged and make every effort to sabotage this hostile takeover.",
">\n\nWhat can they do? They have no rights. They can't even just go to another school because they will be replaced with new students and professors that agree with DeSantis.",
">\n\nThis particular school presents a challenge in replacing the faculty and student body, especially with ones sympathetic to right wing politics and meddling. It's more likely the enrollment will simply crater and the school will be forced to close. IMO, this is the real goal where New College is concerned.",
">\n\nRufo is a creationist. This should violate the separation of church and state.",
">\n\nYup. He's just upset over losing at creationism, which is an ultimate loser as a paradigm.",
">\n\nSo, would that make it a conservative arts college?",
">\n\nConservative and art don't belong in the same sentence. Conservatives aren't good at art, from what I've seen of dry uterus loving Ben Shapiro & child marriage advocate Matt Walsh.",
">\n\nHey, True Allegiance was a work of art!\nSure, the specific type of art was \"parody of Ben Shapiro\" and it was unwitting self-parody, but it was still art!",
">\n\nI'm glad there won't be any \"indoctrination\"",
">\n\nrufo is such a creepy little worm\ni think it’s really obvious that rufo and the rest of this big group of fascists don’t really care about what it is that gets them into power. they don’t care about crt or trans people or any of it. they just want to dominate people.\nif crt and progressive/leftist values actually were seeking to dominate people against their will like all these freak shows say, rufo and desantis would be leftists",
">\n\nyeah these people have not learned fear",
">\n\nFalse\nEvidence\nAppearing\nReal\n\nThis is what runs in the conservative mind. Religion teaches it to them from a young age, and they never outgrow it, unfortunately.",
">\n\nCan someone help me understand why DeSantis is able to personally choose administrators for a university?",
">\n\nI'm guessing it's a state school. So technically it falls under his final jurisdiction since it's run partially on tax payer money.",
">\n\nBill Lee tryin the same shit with hillsdale in TN and charter schools.",
">\n\nI can't wait until this guy goes national and all the Independents get to hear about this stuff for the first time.",
">\n\nmore authoritarian fascism - the brain drain that's expected to hit flordia in the next 15 years will cripple the entire state. smart people don't like fascism and will not attend your schools and will flee and not return leaving no one to run the state.",
">\n\nThis will go down very well with the base, and DeSantis knows it. The more controversy about woke culture the better, as far as he's concerned. I don't think that he sees past getting the GOP presidential nomination. If the students and alums at New College (and they are), they will play him just as well as he hopes to play them. Think: nude sit-ins.",
">\n\nMaking Florida into an Orwellian nightmare, one step at a time.",
">\n\nFuck off Rufo. I went to school with this idiot. Wish I didn't understand how a son of immigrants could do the heinous shit he does. I'm glad this gets him out of Seattle and into the conservative clusterfuck that is 'Florida politics' but, fuck me man. Not like this.",
">\n\nParty of freedom -yeah right! Christofascist!",
">\n\nHillsdale College. Is that Sean Hannity and Mark Levin’s Alma Mater?",
">\n\nyes.",
">\n\nWhy is the governor in charge of a college?",
">\n\nWhat!? Next it will be Gainesville, Florida, bastion of partying liberals, bless their hearts.",
">\n\nHe already installed Ben Sasse as president. And then they made protesting more difficult.",
">\n\nWell I do wonder how that will impact the universities standing and application rate. Liberal arts students are very well know for picking right wing authoritarian propaganda as their first choice for education.",
">\n\nThis is why DeSantis is scary as a president he's not a idiot like trump was."
] |
>
Stop thinking for yourselves dammit
|
[
"Gov. Ron DeSantis appointed a group of hard-line conservative loyalists Friday into leadership positions at the New College of Florida, a move that comes as the Republican governor plots a remake of the state’s higher education system. \nSeveral of the appointees are vocal opponents of gender- and race-related education issues that have fueled the right’s culture wars in schools. They were picked as DeSantis, who is eyeing a potential 2024 White House run, vows to fight “philosophical lunacy” in the schools. \nOf the six appointed by DeSantis, the marquee names are Christopher Rufo, a conservative activist who helped turn critical race theory into a conservative rallying cry, and Matthew Spalding, a government professor at Hillsdale College, a conservative Christian college in Michigan. \nHillsdale’s digital digest, Imprimis, features the writing of conservative thinkers like Rufo, who has worked with DeSantis to combat issues like critical race theory and gender identity. The publication also includes articles with titles, like “The January 6 Insurrection Hoax,” “The Disaster at Our Southern Border,” “Gender Ideology Run Amok,” “Critical Race Theory: What it is and How to Fight it,” and “Who is in Control? The need to Rein in Big Tech.”\n\n\nApparently, Ron Desatan wants to make Florida into one giant Prager U—a white nationalist, creationist, dogma center that creates mindless drones.\n\nAt this point, if Ron Desantis gets his way and creates these universities, they should be seen as paper degrees, not even worth the paper they're printed on. What an absolute insult to freedom of thought, truth, and knowledge. Ron Desantis is a demagogue of the highest order.",
">\n\nHe's like Trump on steroids.",
">\n\nDesantis is also like Mike Pence on steroids. He'd send all LGBTQIA+ people to conversion therapy and subject them to Alan Turing style torture if he knew he could get away with it.",
">\n\nDolores Umbridge enters chat",
">\n\nAt this point, I'm think Dolores Umbridge might have been the author's self-insert character",
">\n\nIt feels like Texas and Florida are in a competition to see who can destroy their state faster. They are actively encouraging the brain drain of the smartest, well-trained people. Maybe they are trying to make Mississippi feel better about itself?",
">\n\nWeird how California is about to be wildly in debt and Texas and Florida.....are not.",
">\n\nAny day now. The world's fifth largest GDP is going to go onto dept. Any day now.... probably about the time Regannomics starts trickling down.\n/s",
">\n\nFor those not familiar with New College, this is particularly dangerous at a school like this. New College has a unique academic environment that encourages independent thought, inquiry and exploration. Wikipedia can explain more of the details, but it's essentially a college version of a montessori school.",
">\n\nAs a New College graduate I can say it's more liberal than any Montessori school. It's a rigorous honor school with very small class sizes, that is ridiculously easy to flunk out in, even for smart kids. You'd see people dropping out like flies. Has a history of allowing/nurturing strikingly non-conventional elements, as long as the students could master the work. It could resemble a molotov cocktail against traditional colleges. There's no fraternities, sororities, no worship of collegial sports. Most of the trustees DeSantis is inserting would flunk out or never go there.",
">\n\nMost of the trustees Desantis named would flunk out of any school, to be honest.",
">\n\nExactly.",
">\n\nI was just thinking to myself the other day, \n“I can’t wait to spend my money sending my intelligent daughter to a red state college where a frat bro has more rights raping her, than she has rights over her own body.”\n“Plus I definitely want her lectured daily on books approved by the kookiest moms for Liberty school boards and constantly harassed to be super duper christian to the point where they groom and groom groom her into stupidity believing magic sky daddy has more power over her future than she does.”\nSeriously, who is signing up for this?",
">\n\nthis is part of the idea, they want to destroy education for people who are not on their side",
">\n\nThere is no actual separation of church and state in America. When’s the last fucking time a Republican got in trouble legislating their bastardized view of Christianity?",
">\n\nIt never seems to happen. They never seem to be condemned for trying to enforce Christianity, because they'll accuse you of hating Christianity if you say it. States still don't allow atheists to run for office today, which no one bats an eye about for some reason. You won't hear mainstream media talk about the war on atheists, but they'll go off every year about the war on Christmas. Just ludicrous, all the way.",
">\n\nAbsolutely. The south has pushed this bullshit and the northern elites don’t say shit about it lest the get sideways glances at the congressional country club. \nIt’s pathetic.",
">\n\nThis isn't conservatism, this is the Christian Taliban imposing its Christofascism..",
">\n\nYep. They are the Y'all Qaeda.",
">\n\nThis asshole thinks the whole state should be remade to his preference.\nYou were elected Governor, not King.",
">\n\nCombined with DeSantis’ attack on elementary schools, this attempt to control college education would assure that Florida doesn’t have people well-enough educated to supply businesses with the quality of employees they need. \nDecent parents, intelligent young adults, and businesses will be leaving Florida as fast as possible. The state will be left with mainly old people and stupid people, in other words, Republicans.",
">\n\nI was born in Florida and lived there all my life. I left last year. If I ever have children, I've decided I don't want to raise them in the hellhole that state has become.",
">\n\nOur best friends, a Latino couple, bought a condo there 20 years ago for retirement. They just sold it when DeSantis won reelection. They said they wouldn’t be comfortable there when their gay friends and their trans niece came to visit. She said, ‘I wonder if any of you would even come to visit.’",
">\n\nI'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest that this will entirely destroy this particular institution of learning. The students and faculty should be outraged and make every effort to sabotage this hostile takeover.",
">\n\nWhat can they do? They have no rights. They can't even just go to another school because they will be replaced with new students and professors that agree with DeSantis.",
">\n\nThis particular school presents a challenge in replacing the faculty and student body, especially with ones sympathetic to right wing politics and meddling. It's more likely the enrollment will simply crater and the school will be forced to close. IMO, this is the real goal where New College is concerned.",
">\n\nRufo is a creationist. This should violate the separation of church and state.",
">\n\nYup. He's just upset over losing at creationism, which is an ultimate loser as a paradigm.",
">\n\nSo, would that make it a conservative arts college?",
">\n\nConservative and art don't belong in the same sentence. Conservatives aren't good at art, from what I've seen of dry uterus loving Ben Shapiro & child marriage advocate Matt Walsh.",
">\n\nHey, True Allegiance was a work of art!\nSure, the specific type of art was \"parody of Ben Shapiro\" and it was unwitting self-parody, but it was still art!",
">\n\nI'm glad there won't be any \"indoctrination\"",
">\n\nrufo is such a creepy little worm\ni think it’s really obvious that rufo and the rest of this big group of fascists don’t really care about what it is that gets them into power. they don’t care about crt or trans people or any of it. they just want to dominate people.\nif crt and progressive/leftist values actually were seeking to dominate people against their will like all these freak shows say, rufo and desantis would be leftists",
">\n\nyeah these people have not learned fear",
">\n\nFalse\nEvidence\nAppearing\nReal\n\nThis is what runs in the conservative mind. Religion teaches it to them from a young age, and they never outgrow it, unfortunately.",
">\n\nCan someone help me understand why DeSantis is able to personally choose administrators for a university?",
">\n\nI'm guessing it's a state school. So technically it falls under his final jurisdiction since it's run partially on tax payer money.",
">\n\nBill Lee tryin the same shit with hillsdale in TN and charter schools.",
">\n\nI can't wait until this guy goes national and all the Independents get to hear about this stuff for the first time.",
">\n\nmore authoritarian fascism - the brain drain that's expected to hit flordia in the next 15 years will cripple the entire state. smart people don't like fascism and will not attend your schools and will flee and not return leaving no one to run the state.",
">\n\nThis will go down very well with the base, and DeSantis knows it. The more controversy about woke culture the better, as far as he's concerned. I don't think that he sees past getting the GOP presidential nomination. If the students and alums at New College (and they are), they will play him just as well as he hopes to play them. Think: nude sit-ins.",
">\n\nMaking Florida into an Orwellian nightmare, one step at a time.",
">\n\nFuck off Rufo. I went to school with this idiot. Wish I didn't understand how a son of immigrants could do the heinous shit he does. I'm glad this gets him out of Seattle and into the conservative clusterfuck that is 'Florida politics' but, fuck me man. Not like this.",
">\n\nParty of freedom -yeah right! Christofascist!",
">\n\nHillsdale College. Is that Sean Hannity and Mark Levin’s Alma Mater?",
">\n\nyes.",
">\n\nWhy is the governor in charge of a college?",
">\n\nWhat!? Next it will be Gainesville, Florida, bastion of partying liberals, bless their hearts.",
">\n\nHe already installed Ben Sasse as president. And then they made protesting more difficult.",
">\n\nWell I do wonder how that will impact the universities standing and application rate. Liberal arts students are very well know for picking right wing authoritarian propaganda as their first choice for education.",
">\n\nThis is why DeSantis is scary as a president he's not a idiot like trump was.",
">\n\nYet another reason to avoid Florida."
] |
>
They used to try to do this when I was a kid too. It didn’t work then either.
|
[
"Gov. Ron DeSantis appointed a group of hard-line conservative loyalists Friday into leadership positions at the New College of Florida, a move that comes as the Republican governor plots a remake of the state’s higher education system. \nSeveral of the appointees are vocal opponents of gender- and race-related education issues that have fueled the right’s culture wars in schools. They were picked as DeSantis, who is eyeing a potential 2024 White House run, vows to fight “philosophical lunacy” in the schools. \nOf the six appointed by DeSantis, the marquee names are Christopher Rufo, a conservative activist who helped turn critical race theory into a conservative rallying cry, and Matthew Spalding, a government professor at Hillsdale College, a conservative Christian college in Michigan. \nHillsdale’s digital digest, Imprimis, features the writing of conservative thinkers like Rufo, who has worked with DeSantis to combat issues like critical race theory and gender identity. The publication also includes articles with titles, like “The January 6 Insurrection Hoax,” “The Disaster at Our Southern Border,” “Gender Ideology Run Amok,” “Critical Race Theory: What it is and How to Fight it,” and “Who is in Control? The need to Rein in Big Tech.”\n\n\nApparently, Ron Desatan wants to make Florida into one giant Prager U—a white nationalist, creationist, dogma center that creates mindless drones.\n\nAt this point, if Ron Desantis gets his way and creates these universities, they should be seen as paper degrees, not even worth the paper they're printed on. What an absolute insult to freedom of thought, truth, and knowledge. Ron Desantis is a demagogue of the highest order.",
">\n\nHe's like Trump on steroids.",
">\n\nDesantis is also like Mike Pence on steroids. He'd send all LGBTQIA+ people to conversion therapy and subject them to Alan Turing style torture if he knew he could get away with it.",
">\n\nDolores Umbridge enters chat",
">\n\nAt this point, I'm think Dolores Umbridge might have been the author's self-insert character",
">\n\nIt feels like Texas and Florida are in a competition to see who can destroy their state faster. They are actively encouraging the brain drain of the smartest, well-trained people. Maybe they are trying to make Mississippi feel better about itself?",
">\n\nWeird how California is about to be wildly in debt and Texas and Florida.....are not.",
">\n\nAny day now. The world's fifth largest GDP is going to go onto dept. Any day now.... probably about the time Regannomics starts trickling down.\n/s",
">\n\nFor those not familiar with New College, this is particularly dangerous at a school like this. New College has a unique academic environment that encourages independent thought, inquiry and exploration. Wikipedia can explain more of the details, but it's essentially a college version of a montessori school.",
">\n\nAs a New College graduate I can say it's more liberal than any Montessori school. It's a rigorous honor school with very small class sizes, that is ridiculously easy to flunk out in, even for smart kids. You'd see people dropping out like flies. Has a history of allowing/nurturing strikingly non-conventional elements, as long as the students could master the work. It could resemble a molotov cocktail against traditional colleges. There's no fraternities, sororities, no worship of collegial sports. Most of the trustees DeSantis is inserting would flunk out or never go there.",
">\n\nMost of the trustees Desantis named would flunk out of any school, to be honest.",
">\n\nExactly.",
">\n\nI was just thinking to myself the other day, \n“I can’t wait to spend my money sending my intelligent daughter to a red state college where a frat bro has more rights raping her, than she has rights over her own body.”\n“Plus I definitely want her lectured daily on books approved by the kookiest moms for Liberty school boards and constantly harassed to be super duper christian to the point where they groom and groom groom her into stupidity believing magic sky daddy has more power over her future than she does.”\nSeriously, who is signing up for this?",
">\n\nthis is part of the idea, they want to destroy education for people who are not on their side",
">\n\nThere is no actual separation of church and state in America. When’s the last fucking time a Republican got in trouble legislating their bastardized view of Christianity?",
">\n\nIt never seems to happen. They never seem to be condemned for trying to enforce Christianity, because they'll accuse you of hating Christianity if you say it. States still don't allow atheists to run for office today, which no one bats an eye about for some reason. You won't hear mainstream media talk about the war on atheists, but they'll go off every year about the war on Christmas. Just ludicrous, all the way.",
">\n\nAbsolutely. The south has pushed this bullshit and the northern elites don’t say shit about it lest the get sideways glances at the congressional country club. \nIt’s pathetic.",
">\n\nThis isn't conservatism, this is the Christian Taliban imposing its Christofascism..",
">\n\nYep. They are the Y'all Qaeda.",
">\n\nThis asshole thinks the whole state should be remade to his preference.\nYou were elected Governor, not King.",
">\n\nCombined with DeSantis’ attack on elementary schools, this attempt to control college education would assure that Florida doesn’t have people well-enough educated to supply businesses with the quality of employees they need. \nDecent parents, intelligent young adults, and businesses will be leaving Florida as fast as possible. The state will be left with mainly old people and stupid people, in other words, Republicans.",
">\n\nI was born in Florida and lived there all my life. I left last year. If I ever have children, I've decided I don't want to raise them in the hellhole that state has become.",
">\n\nOur best friends, a Latino couple, bought a condo there 20 years ago for retirement. They just sold it when DeSantis won reelection. They said they wouldn’t be comfortable there when their gay friends and their trans niece came to visit. She said, ‘I wonder if any of you would even come to visit.’",
">\n\nI'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest that this will entirely destroy this particular institution of learning. The students and faculty should be outraged and make every effort to sabotage this hostile takeover.",
">\n\nWhat can they do? They have no rights. They can't even just go to another school because they will be replaced with new students and professors that agree with DeSantis.",
">\n\nThis particular school presents a challenge in replacing the faculty and student body, especially with ones sympathetic to right wing politics and meddling. It's more likely the enrollment will simply crater and the school will be forced to close. IMO, this is the real goal where New College is concerned.",
">\n\nRufo is a creationist. This should violate the separation of church and state.",
">\n\nYup. He's just upset over losing at creationism, which is an ultimate loser as a paradigm.",
">\n\nSo, would that make it a conservative arts college?",
">\n\nConservative and art don't belong in the same sentence. Conservatives aren't good at art, from what I've seen of dry uterus loving Ben Shapiro & child marriage advocate Matt Walsh.",
">\n\nHey, True Allegiance was a work of art!\nSure, the specific type of art was \"parody of Ben Shapiro\" and it was unwitting self-parody, but it was still art!",
">\n\nI'm glad there won't be any \"indoctrination\"",
">\n\nrufo is such a creepy little worm\ni think it’s really obvious that rufo and the rest of this big group of fascists don’t really care about what it is that gets them into power. they don’t care about crt or trans people or any of it. they just want to dominate people.\nif crt and progressive/leftist values actually were seeking to dominate people against their will like all these freak shows say, rufo and desantis would be leftists",
">\n\nyeah these people have not learned fear",
">\n\nFalse\nEvidence\nAppearing\nReal\n\nThis is what runs in the conservative mind. Religion teaches it to them from a young age, and they never outgrow it, unfortunately.",
">\n\nCan someone help me understand why DeSantis is able to personally choose administrators for a university?",
">\n\nI'm guessing it's a state school. So technically it falls under his final jurisdiction since it's run partially on tax payer money.",
">\n\nBill Lee tryin the same shit with hillsdale in TN and charter schools.",
">\n\nI can't wait until this guy goes national and all the Independents get to hear about this stuff for the first time.",
">\n\nmore authoritarian fascism - the brain drain that's expected to hit flordia in the next 15 years will cripple the entire state. smart people don't like fascism and will not attend your schools and will flee and not return leaving no one to run the state.",
">\n\nThis will go down very well with the base, and DeSantis knows it. The more controversy about woke culture the better, as far as he's concerned. I don't think that he sees past getting the GOP presidential nomination. If the students and alums at New College (and they are), they will play him just as well as he hopes to play them. Think: nude sit-ins.",
">\n\nMaking Florida into an Orwellian nightmare, one step at a time.",
">\n\nFuck off Rufo. I went to school with this idiot. Wish I didn't understand how a son of immigrants could do the heinous shit he does. I'm glad this gets him out of Seattle and into the conservative clusterfuck that is 'Florida politics' but, fuck me man. Not like this.",
">\n\nParty of freedom -yeah right! Christofascist!",
">\n\nHillsdale College. Is that Sean Hannity and Mark Levin’s Alma Mater?",
">\n\nyes.",
">\n\nWhy is the governor in charge of a college?",
">\n\nWhat!? Next it will be Gainesville, Florida, bastion of partying liberals, bless their hearts.",
">\n\nHe already installed Ben Sasse as president. And then they made protesting more difficult.",
">\n\nWell I do wonder how that will impact the universities standing and application rate. Liberal arts students are very well know for picking right wing authoritarian propaganda as their first choice for education.",
">\n\nThis is why DeSantis is scary as a president he's not a idiot like trump was.",
">\n\nYet another reason to avoid Florida.",
">\n\nStop thinking for yourselves dammit"
] |
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