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/r/pics/comments/7s2yxh/my_mug_capt_america_my_friends_mug_putin_shes/
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"Captain America vs Putinman",
"Are Russians required to display Putin mugs?",
"Lol I’m not sure, we’re in Munich Germany",
"Paulaner Spezi 4tw"
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My mug (Capt America), My friends mug (Putin) she’s Russian
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/r/pics/comments/7s2z43/after_10_years_having_a_windows_phone_i_finally/
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[
"Windows phone debuted in 2010, so more like 7 years.",
"As a former owner of a Windows phone: it feels so much longer than that when you don't have any apps.",
"I bet. My wife only made it two years....and she works for msft.",
"You survived that long on a Windows phone? You deserve some sort of medal. ",
"Yup, better get that Hotmail synced up...",
"You are correct. I over generalized because I don't know anything else. ",
"I loved my Windows phone. If it hadn't been for the complete lack of Apps (and if it hadn't broken...) I'd still be using it.",
"They had laptops and smart phones in the 80s?"
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After 10+ years having a Windows Phone I finally broke down and purchased an Android. Asked the wife how to link all my accounts. 20 minutes later she looks like an 80's hacker.
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/r/pics/comments/7s2zwk/in_circa_1980_my_parents_also_took_this_picture/
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[
"I hope you got new parents back then. ",
"You got unstuck tho, right? I mean, you're not still walking around with a gait stuck around your neck are you? It all worked out in the end. lol",
"Well, to be fair, there does seem to be a pattern here. ",
"The framing of it is key parenting",
"And so it begins. #sheeple",
"\"This does not taste very much like chocolate at all!\"",
"Wow 2edgy4me",
"Someone took the time to frame and display this photo. ",
"I feel like these posts are quickly escalating into child abuse... ",
"I wish my parents took pictures of me like this!",
"What's the way he walks got to do with anything?\n\nYou don't gotta bring that up, man :(((",
"I feel like this is going to be an indie band's album cover in a year.",
"This is the best one, hands down. You win the internets for today.",
"Legend has it that this photo was going to be used for Judas Priest's unreleased 1984 album entitled *Mouth of Steel* before being scrapped at the last minute. ",
">And this is the time all the diapers became worth it",
"\"Hey! That's not black liquorice!\"",
"Thank you very much. My parents will finally be proud of me.",
"All rights reserved",
"r/childabuse is a lot of fun",
"So was it hard chewing your way out of that? ",
"It hangs proudly on the wall in my parents’ bedroom in a nice little collage.",
"Nope. They just set me free last year. I am currently looking though. Let me know if you know of any good ones.",
"I love the fact that they would have had to wait till they finished the roll of film, wound it up (manually most likely), gotten into their car and driven over to the chemist or photo centre. Filled out the envelope and paid the worker. Then they waited a week, went back to the developer and picked out a \"frame\" to put it into. THAT is commitment to parenting.",
"Seeing this picture takes me back to some bad nights in prison.",
"Yeah man, my gait is fine. Although, to be fair, I have to alter it from time to time to fit through doorways.",
"Did you finally chew your way through?",
"should i edit it? it seems like it would ruin the fun.....",
"Nah. They (probably) didn't put his head in there. Kids do dumb curiosity shit all the time. He was in no immediate danger. And kids drive you crazy 80% of the time, so when you see something hilarious and unfortunate happen to them you soak it up because moments like these are few and far between.",
"If my parents are anything, they are definitely committed!!",
"I have nubs for teeth, but yes, I finally did.",
"Indeed!",
"I’d rather chew the bar than black licorice. Disgusting!!",
"Eating metal bars?\n\nHoly shit. And I thought eating Tide Pods was the worst idea.",
"Your baby teeth never fell out!?",
"Sigmund Freud here: \n\n\"Welcome... tainter_tots... come over here and just lie down there on the couch. Make yourself comfortable. Yes, that's right. Just relax. So... Tell me about your childhood...\"\n",
"Well, where to begin...",
"Still have them all. ",
"Precious moments!",
"Ehh it’s not like the parents are leaving them there for an extended period of time. Getting the camera and taking a picture is like 30s-2min of delay, and is the sort of thing mom might be doing while dad is digging around the garage to find the saw or metal file so it might not actually be increasing the trapped time at all.",
">Uhh...that’s how camera film worked.\n\nWas this disputed by anyone in the thread?",
"Nicely done.",
"That's right, make 'em pay!",
"missed opportunity to write \"inchewbitably\"",
"Oh yea, those twisty metal bars were natural traps for kids and existed in many places. I think they've died out by now but up until the early 2000s at least they were definitely still around. I had them in an apartment complex I lived in.",
"Let’s not forget that the camera had to be found, pulled out of its big awkward case, and film had to be loaded.",
"And they made the absolute correct choice in doing so.",
"No one said they didn't work like that... ",
"Yeah, but did you die?",
"You gotta big head for a little kid. ",
"This triggered my sympathy response like crazy. You poor wee lad. I want to jump into the photo and help. \n\nJudging from the other comments from jaded parents, maybe it's because I don't have kids myself!",
"Unless you had a “nice” camera, most people just used cheap point and click Kodak cameras. There really wasn’t a whole lot of set up involved, unless the dinosaurs were trying to photobomb you, then all bets were off. ",
"Thank you to my parents for not taking my picture while my peepee was stuck in the zipper.",
"It all started when I was born ",
"> instead of\n\nAnd they're still there til this day",
"Your parents seem like monsters (i'm sure they're not, but this made my teeth and my heart hurt)",
"Taking a picture instead of help? Well, it happens today too from strangers. You parents were way ahead for their times.",
"Why do people always try to one up others on reddit?",
"If that were my son I’d take a picture and then grab my hydraulic car jack and shove it in sideways.\n\nBetter than the poor kid hearing a hammer banging in his ear.",
"This gives me anxiety ",
"> in circa",
"When you are vegan and need iron",
"They are already out they are called the rod iron maulers more heavy metal tho.",
"You look like something out of Dark Souls, OP.",
"Think I would get along just great with your parents. \n\n",
"That couldn't have been good for your ~~teeth~~ tooth.",
"If this isn't framed and hung above a fireplace, someone has fucked up.",
"God kids are stupid.",
"Look at that DoF in this photo though, that was no cheap point and shoot lens. ",
"I don't think anyone's first thought there would have been \"fuck yeah I can finally use inchewbitably\"",
"mmmh tasty twisted metal bar",
"See, I bought a pack of black licorice gum once. Tossed that shit gum in the garbage, and just filled the empty pack with normal, tasty gum. No one asks me for gum anymore. ",
"I'm in hysterics and had to leave the office gosh darn it.",
"Ba-dm-tsshh! ",
"It's like you're beginning the metamorphosis in changing to [this](http://www.dreadcentral.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/nemesis-marvel-vs.-capcom-1.jpg) thing.",
"They did the right thing.",
"/r/fakealbumcovers ",
"I bet you never put your head through a fence again, though ;)",
"My kid got her head stuck about 2 years ago. I had to call my husband to come home and cut her out, and had to hold her up while we waited so she didn't choke. Once we were calm, and just waiting, I took a picture (with my free hand). At that point it had gone from scary to funny and I wanted to remember that moment forever (and give her shit about it in 18 years).",
"Ommm nomm nomm yummy nomm ymmm ommm ",
"r/oldschoolcruel",
"“- HONEY, taiter_tots got his head stuck in the fence, QUICK, find the camera”",
"Yes this seems artistic in its form. I need an artist to paint this.",
"The taste of defeat. ",
"When I was 6 I got my head stuck in a porthole on a ferry traveling across the Puget Sound. My Dad told me that it was too bad I was stuck on the boat, but once I got old enough he was sure the captain would give me a job as a tourist attraction... oh the traumas we endure in our childhood years for the amusement of the creatures that spawn us.",
"I'd say that was just their bargaining chip with you. Proof that you weren't very bright, so you must listen when they're talking to you.",
"And framed it...nice",
"Isn't this why people have kids?",
"Are you still stuck?",
"Well that’s a disturbing picture. Mainly due to the way it’s framed like a school year photo.",
"That's not any more commitment than framing any other photo.",
"I once got my head stuck at the railing at my school when I was 13, entire school saw. Lucky me phones didn't have cameras on them xD",
"How even...? ",
"it’s like blow pop stuck in a sewer grate. ",
"r/blunderyears",
"all before getting the kid outta there too",
"Too late!",
"Yeahhh, going to have to go with the guy named quiggyfarts on this one.",
"By any chance, was this at Walt Disney World?? And did they use Crisco? :)",
"Might still be there. OP said they were committed. ",
"Labour of love.... That they pull out later and everyone can laugh...",
"From the thumbnail, it kinda looked like the spike went through your head.",
"I like your parents. ",
"These were also my favorite flavor of iron fortified licorice whips. ",
">All rights reserved\n\nGreat indie band name!",
"I love your Dad!!! ",
"Good idea to take photos to analyze the best extraction method.\n\nBeing the 1980s...\n\nOk son, I'm going to drop these off at the fotomat, should be ready by Friday and we'll know what to do. Here's some Jello.",
"Reminded me of the guy from The Goonies \" Heyyyy youuuuu guyssss!\" ",
"He’s gotten quite used to typing on his phone from inside that rail",
"Well it's not like you were going anywhere, they had plenty of time!",
"Ha, love it.",
"I think what they mean is that you dont really think about the work to do it, if there is no other way. It has always been like this, so it didnt feel like a big comitment",
"I have baby pictures with that same shirt on. :)",
"You had some big arms for a kid, look at those biceps. Did you do gymnastics? ",
"im genuinely concerned. why is his comment being upvoted rather than downvoted? it's completely inane \n\nedit: I'm talking about Ceiling_cracks comment. writing about how something that is done with minimal effort, as if it's done with enormous effort. that's simply how it was done! Everyones finished roll of film was sent or delivered to the photo service and then sent home/picked up, if photo was ok you put it into frame that you probably had lying about already. it's literally no out of the ordinary amount effort put into it at all. the comment seems so out of touch with reality\n\nit'd been more impressive show of effort if it has been done today, when nobody develops their pictures\n\n> gotten into their car and driven over to the chemist\n\nok he might be a troll but I genuinely don't think so",
"While you are stuck there, did anyone do something and got you tainted?",
"r/whyweretheyfilming",
"What did it taste like?",
"That looks like something from a saw movie ",
"that's a pretty toothless response.",
"Are you typing this from the same place where you got your head stuck?",
"Darwin award? We have all done silly things in our childhood and some keep at it in adulthood. We just hope the evidence will never see the light :-) ",
"Everybody walks around with a gait.",
"And only *then* did they get the kid out. Had to make sure the photo was in focus.",
"So did you chew through it eventually?",
"\"A wiser fella once said, sometimes you eat the bar, and sometimes, well, the bar eats you.\"\n\n-The Narrator, The Big Lebowski",
"/r/OldSchoolCool",
"wow, your parents were ahead of their times. today people take selfies before they help anyone.",
"No tooth fairy for you! Sad.",
"with my head stuck around black steel bars",
"r/fakealbumcovers",
"This is my life now. ",
"I was born at a very young age, briefly achieving the title of youngest in the world. I got a big head because of it. Or maybe it was just that my body was small. Either way, it was that head that got stuck in the fence.",
"So she would be punished for her parent’s actions? No wayy",
"/r/photoshopbattles/",
"As a parent who likes my kids, this photo makes me physically sick. I don't find it at all funny or cute. I see a scared kid in genuine fear and discomfort.\n\nI'm going to need eyebleach therapy.",
"I bought a bag of [horehound candy](https://www.oldtimecandy.com/blog/what-the-heck-is-horehound/) once and when my kids wanted candy I offered it to them. I actually hate the stuff but I convinced the kids that it was great so they’d try it; predictably they all thought it was disgusting. Now when I get this brand of candy I just pour it into the horehound bag and no one else touches it. More candy for me!",
"Did you ever get unstuck?",
"My parents would have said something like:\n\nQuit your crying you will live.\n\nI'll give you something to cry about (this meant I was going to get my ass spanked if I didn't stop crying)\n\nLet me cut that off for you. (This meant cutting off the part that got hurt for example it if I got my finger cut instead of putting a Band-Aid on my finger it was funny to say what's cut the finger off, in this case removal of the head seemed a reasonable solution)\n\nNow what the hell did you do?",
"Dude.?!.",
"This is sadistic! ",
"My mom took a picture of me stuck in a chair. I was a teenager though... And trying to fit through the arm rests of an old wood chair... I'm an idiot. I deserved it.",
"MOM! Get the camera! ",
"\"Finally we can have the day for ourselves\"... *Parents have a quickie then go for a nap*. ",
"What else do you expect from 15 year olds.",
"I guess you have never been lazy. I *always* think about the work to do stuff even when there is no other way.",
"It hurts. ",
"Maybe they knew you'd spend your life inside prison. ",
"My roommate did something similar with my dog and a wire kennel. I think it’s pretty inhumane in both situations. ",
"\"The Caged Youth\"",
"I think we need to make this a subreddit",
"Suffer little one. Again and again suffer. Siffrt little one. I am ",
"Holy shit, you were more brutally stuck than the other one",
"r/oldschoolnotcool",
"https://i.imgur.com/7K4dbhF.jpg ",
"[Why wait?](https://i.imgur.com/KO9d28k.jpg)",
"If that is an 8\"x10\" photo they would have had to wait longer. The original print was probably around 4\"x5\" so they would have had to then sorted thru the whole roll, found this gem, handed the negatives back to the developer to get this masterpiece printed. The level of dedication is amazing. I hope to be this kind of parent some day.",
"So nice that they have framed it",
"Fecal Bum Covers.\n\nEasy.",
"This would be me if I was a parent!",
"Your parents are assholes and we love them for it.",
"“Stuck” by The Parents.",
"Just rotate your head!",
"at you",
"/r/fakealbumcovers",
"That looks awfully painful",
"but how's your gate?",
"With all these people with similar pics, this must have been a parent meme at the time.. Magne even.. the First Meme?",
"tbh the whole title is cringeworthy ",
"You mean you are still stuck? Got a current photo?",
"The concept of a parent saying “HONEY! Go get the camera!” and leave the kid hang there for a couple minutes in order to take a picture is already pretty weird. Now on top of that, the picture was framed!",
"Don’t blame them. U would do the same when ur kid gets stuck ",
"How dafuq did you get stuck like that?",
"I love that it's framed so damn much.",
"Gnaw your way out.....best course of action!",
"You're supposed to keep them as long as possible. Are you using your backup teeth?!\n\nI hear some parents actually swindle their children into selling their primary teeth for mere *cents*. They're worth a fortune on the black market. Appalling.",
"Didn’t want to click as the thumbnail looked like a baby with its head spiked like a kebab. A Ke-baby so to speak. ",
"Any relation to [Jaws](https://media1.tenor.com/images/9f6cbb2444347252ac88fe625de6d9b8/tenor.gif?itemid=4178909)?",
"This scenario encapsulated nature vs nurture to the parents. A child is an empty cup.. a moron that gets his head stuck and would die there without guidance. A child is destined to surpass the success of the parents. You are great and greater but you had help.",
"Love the fact it’s framed ",
"Mine too. Which asylum?",
"Am I the only one who thinks this looks photoshopped?",
"Do your parents love you ??",
"This pains me more than it should... Perhaps because you have some similarity to our daughter 😐 would never happen to her.",
"A 35mm f:2.8 compact film camera from a large camera company could make shots with good depth of field without breaking the bank. ",
"I thought for a second that they had made a plate with the photo.. wouldve been epic parenting..",
"I love when parents have their priorities in order. /no sarcasm ",
"I like that its framed, you have good parents.",
"Also, this is a time where everyone didn't have a phone in hand to grab a digital shot. I mean they grabbed their camera bag, snapped it open, turned it on, shot the photo and took it to a developer and waited for this masterpiece.\n\nThis was a labor of love, no wonder it was framed.",
"Took it and put it in a frame ",
"One roll is usually not spent that fast. It probably had exposures left from a previous load.",
"I feel like there needs to be an r/ishouldbehelpingbutitookaphotoinstead subreddit",
"Toddlers biological composition are 40% farts, 40% mucus and 20% noisy and high pitched laugh.",
"Well, that is what I was wondering. Did they ever get out?",
"They probably went to fotomat!",
"I feel like OP should recreate this picture.",
"And this was the birth of toothless from stranger things. ",
"Sometimes an iron rod is...just an iron rod.",
"/r/analbumcover ",
"Love the typical 1980's frame. My school pictures are the same frame. Was it cut slightly to fit the picture? ",
"They made the right choice",
"My parents have one somewhat similar. But my father took the picture while my mother was \"trying to help\" me. She was laughing *so hard* that she almost couldn't get my head unstuck.",
"And there wasn't always a roll of film in the camera either. Sometimes you even had to load a new roll of film to take a shot like this. Of course, then you'd wait weeks before you shot the rest of the roll and took it to the developer.\n\nMost likely, by that time, you'd have forgotten about the photo that caused you to load the roll in the first place and it would be a complete surprise and another belly laugh when you picked up the prints and sorted through them. That was part of the fun at that time, remembering the things you thought were important enough to commit to film at the time.",
"This beats every other photoshop I've seen on this thread",
"But now you get the reap the sweet sweet Karma. Your parents knew an investment when they saw one.",
"I love that they framed it",
"Steel...*scrapped*...hehehehe",
"Because redditors are people too. Well..most of them, anyway. ",
"Well, all you had to do was turn your head. I'd have snapped the pic also.",
"I need more of these. ",
"how lovely. lucky for me that my family was too poor for a camera :^>\n",
"Did they ever get you out? ",
"80's parents so much more chill than '17 parents",
"You're really overthinking something that everyone did for any photo... and it was probably many at a time including that. Man you people are drama queens",
"I have 2 siblings that are 4 and 3 and holy shit this is so true",
"Curious of the thought process that led to this.",
"How was life behind bars?",
"How did you get that flair lol",
"Taste wrought iron, scoundrel!",
"He isn't out yet.",
"Thanks for the name of the album ",
"By the looks of it, dad should have pulled out sooner.",
"[hold my beer](https://www.reddit.com/r/fakealbumcovers/comments/7s5oz6/little_boy_stuck/)",
"Iron is good for your blood cells. They were helping you out there!",
"You were a dumbass kid 🤣",
"You are def not the first born.",
"Such a lovely frame for this photo. Really stands at contrast with the subject matter. This is art!",
"Someone call CPS in the past, pronto ",
"Parenting done right",
"/r/titlepapercut",
"Frank and beans!",
"They did the right thing.",
"M E T A",
"You showed them!",
"Caption time...\n\n\"When you open your crypto portfolio and see it has dropped by 35pc\"",
"I love that it's framed.",
"What a moron hope they left you over night like that",
"They ever get you out?",
"That is a fucking brilliant photo.\n\nI'd love to know exactly what went through your head as you did... that.",
"r/fakealbumcovers",
"Not only that, someone took the time to say ‘wait!’ Before walking over to the closet in the other hall, opening it up and looking for the camera, removing it from its container, turned it on or wound the film forward, adjusted the manual focus, and took the shot. This camera wasn’t in someone’s pocket, it took a couple of minutes to get the picture.",
"Ahahaha! Best pic ever seen in a while! I like how you keep chewing and crying at the same time. Hilarious. Would definitely take a picture of this kid.",
"Hahaha... I like your parents sense of humor. 😆",
"You mean dropped it off while shopping and picked it up the next time they went shopping? So hard!",
"It's probably already an album cover in r/fakealbumcovers",
"I already know you're not the oldest sibling.\n\nA parent who sees their first kid do this freaks out and frees them.\n\nThird kid, they grab the camera.\n\nFifth kid, they go get the neighbors to show them.",
"Almost makes it worse knowing they put you like this on purpose and didn't do it for the likes. ",
"He's pointing out that, the development process for pictures was not novel at the time. Because the previous post made it seemed like it is something special. Ops parents probably forgot they took this picture then got them developed. ",
"Man, I wish I could find the tape where my dad caught me eating dirt. Rather than stopping me, he continued to film me eating it and talked about how much my mum was going to kill him. I ended up in hospital because I broke out in hives. Apparently the dirtbed was a haven for cats pissing in it.",
"My infant kid is 60% sleep 30% fart 10% crying time asking for 10% milk \n\nedit: I fucked up the math but im gonna leave it there for teh lulz",
"Welcome to the internet *toots trumpet while keeping awkward eye contact*",
"In the 80s, my local paper published a photo of a kid impaled on a wrought iron fence. He had a spike going though his jaw and out his mouth but otherwise unharmed. He had tried to scale the fence to retrieve his baseball and slipped.\n\nI feel that if anyone finds that picture they will forever \"win\" all these stuck in a fence posts and the meme must be retired.",
"Licorice - Your Momma Loved It.",
"r/oldschoolcool ",
"Why does everyone think that they had to get this picture developed before getting the kid out?",
"I’d compare pictures with you, but my parents tried to get my head unstuck instead of taking the picture circa 1997. ",
"Have you ever since been low on iron?",
"I would have taken a pic too",
"You should always make eye contact whilst tooting a trumpet.",
"Seriously, how is your relationship with your parents? I do stuff like this with my son and I'd like to think that he knows I do it because I love him. Maybe he doesnt know yet...",
"r/fakealbumcovers",
"Quick story - as a paramedic in Broward County Florida, many years ago, my rig was called to a scene same as this; a kid with his head stuck in a wrought iron fence. When we arrived, everyone was in a tizzy, especially the Sheriff's Deputies, who had no kind of tools of any sort in their possession. My partner got our hydraulic spreader out of its box and we walked over to the kid. I asked the kid - \"How'd you do this?\" He then turns his head straight, stiffens his neck, and pulls his head out of the fence without anyone's assistance. We got a good laugh outta that one, for a good long time.",
"Some say he's still there till this day....",
"Okay so I've gotten my head stuck. Just getting your head stuck is scary when it first happens, but as long as someone is around to help, you can kind of relax.\n\nBut getting MY MOUTH STUCK OPEN WRAPPED AROUND A BAR? That would have fucked me right the way up when I was that little.",
"It seems there is a pattern here. Maybe we should apply survival of the fittest to the situation and say he wasn't supposed to get saved. ",
"this is going to be on the frontpage in no time...",
"I've got a 3 week old on my lap right now and I swear she's 80% farts. To be fair, she probably got that from me.",
"They're 65 now and still just walk by occasionally and feed him. That's committed parenting.",
"I got called home from work once to cut my daughter's leg out of the kitchen chair she was stuck in. \n\nVery funny, but I cut the chair, not the kid.",
"they were waiting to see if you could chew through the bar. for science.",
"Thats hilarious. Tell your parents I said thanks for the laugh. ",
"crying baby ",
"Nice...",
"If they are anything like my parent, There was a drawer or bag somewhere with about 20 rolls that accumulated. All of it would go at once, lol.",
"I was considering that when a coworker showed me a picture of his one year old daughter picking her nose. I wondered why there were no pictures of me like that, and then I realized...\n\nOh, right. It's because my parents didn't have cell phones in their pockets with cameras built in, instead they had a Polaroid, and they had to go get it out of wherever it was stored, and get it out of the case and bring it back, and I'd probably be done by then. \n\nAnd before they went to get it, they had to decide if it was worth the cost. Film wasn't free, and it came in five packs. As in, you could take 5 pictures from one package of Polaroid film. Also, if it was indoors, then they'd have to use the flash, which wasn't automatic...it wasn't even built in. It was this plastic bar with five light bulbs in it that plugged into the top of the camera. You could tell how many you had left because the used bulbs would be blackened and burnt out.\n\nSo something had to be worth the time, the money for the film, and the money for the flash. So there are no pictures of me picking my nose! I feel sorry for the children of today.",
"your kids are going to get bullied in school",
"so, you have 2 kids?",
"No, I think he/she has 1.1 kids.",
"Slow down, he said indie, not 80's hardcore punk.",
"They died out because the building code changed. You can't have balusters more than 4in apart now for exactly this reason. ",
"um, kids are wholesale only. sorry. you can't have them in pieces.",
"The thumbnail for this looked brutal. ",
"\"Hold on a minute kiddo, we'll get you out as soon as we document it\"",
"Is this a trend now?",
"OP is posting this from between the bars of that bannister.",
"Anthrax considered it for their Mouthful Of Metal album, but later went with a drawing instead.",
"Smart parents. \n\nNext time you get too full of yourself and think you know better. They just trot out this old chestnut.",
"awe! cute but also makes me wish they had helped you out quicker",
"It's a fucking Norman Rockwell of a photo.",
"You speak from experience? ",
"They were ahead of their time. :)",
"New trend?",
"Be a good parent for 30 minutes or take 1 extra minute to blackmail you for the rest of your life to do their bidding. That's a tough decision actually.",
"And she’s still there to this day",
"Holy Shit! This must've been an epidemic in the 80s. I did the same thing to a wrought iron fence at my grandmas. It was about the same time and I was about the same age. ",
"Me too. This darn thing is super tight now.",
"You betcha ",
"and stuff.",
"Thanks for clarifying. I was horrified for a second there.",
"Sadly....yes",
"Perfect...little to no long term trauma",
"Not once",
"If only...",
"Haha!!!",
"First kid...\n:/",
"It makes more sense if you just think of the whole karma thing as sorta like the points on \"who's line is it anyway\", with the judges being a bunch of monkeys...",
"Still there to this day...",
"I mean you could have just chewed your way out. Probably why they didn't worry. :-D",
"Yeah, what an idiot 2 yo",
"It hangs proudly in my parents’ bedroom.",
"I am indeed the first born...",
"Stupid 2 yo",
"Boy toddlers are noise with dirt on it ",
"Not photoshopped",
"Wouldn’t know...I was never behind them long. I was always stuck in between them.",
"In 18 years? Naaah, you can use this way earlier. Moody teenager? Kid talking back? Attitude? Skipping chores? Pull out this picture and threaten with publication ;)",
"Wow your parents are hardcore. Usually first born is crystal second is glass third Tupperware. Was predicting you had at least 4 older siblings...",
"Thanks for the info. That makes sense.",
"I always expect 110% from my kids.",
"Just sit tight, we'll get you out!",
"And 100% reason to remember the name ",
"Use to be the birds by the office windows now it’s head stuck photos; how to get upvotes 101",
"oh, hi dad.",
"The real questions here, are why were you trying to fellate a porch fence? And how did you even know it was possible to fellate a porch fence at that age? And is it really possible to fellate a porch fence?",
"You should really do one of those \"40 years later\" photo comparisons.",
"Not the original you posted, but the album cover parody likely is. Those letters would look like crap if they were done in MS paint.",
"amateur",
"This is why I slumped from the lawn-chair this solstice",
"Damn, this is accurate!",
"They made the correct choice",
"Are you still stuck there?",
"And the world is a better place for it",
"Very nice parenting\n10/10\nwould watch again!",
"Had a pretty good chin game on too. ",
"the mucus composition level is accurate af.",
"Maybe she has 1 kid that just wants 10% milk. You know, like 2% milk but a lot thicker. ",
"1 hour fox foto in the mall parking lot. No big deal in the 80’s. ",
"True, I’m just a little bit amused at all the recent posts acting like taking pictures 30ish years ago was some huge production. It’s really convenient having cameras in our phones, but most people had a camera at home that was easily accessible to capture family moments. ",
"We once had a pair of German Shepherds, we had a fence just like the one in the picture, the adult female dog got her head stuck in the fence then the curious male got closer to \"help her\" and he got stuck too... I ran and told Mom I was around 4yrs old. She went outside and there they where, looking absolutely chill, wagging their tails like \"Stuck? Us? Oh no! Rosa you are overreacting!\" Mom was in panic. Dad though it was hilarious because Mom was always talking about her two \"most intelligent dogs in the world\". He took a picture of the incident too.",
"Mayyyybbbeeeeee🤔😂",
"Reminds me of my favorite lunch box. Were your parents [Pete and Malloy from Adam-12](https://i.imgur.com/BvAEPcv.jpg)?",
"I'm very disturbed by the blatant child abuse images on the front page lately. ",
"Ours was always hanging on a nail in the front closet by the door with the seldom-used coats and stuff. My parents never had to search for it and it was in a convenient spot to grab it on the way out the door, but still out of the way so it wouldn’t get broken. ",
"Smart parents! :-)",
"I love the fact that in the 'olden days' one would have to go and find ones camera! It's not like nowadays, where you take a pic and can be there helping in 5 seconds! However, once you've rung the fire brigade I guess there's a lot of waiting around to do!",
"That's a good point. Still seems like a colossal waste of energy. lol",
"Duh. 10% milk is five times better than 2% milk.",
"And 100% reason to remember the name?",
"I like your parents.",
"When I was two I got my head stuck in between the bars of my crib. My mother nearly passed out from stress but my father thought it was hilarious. He ended up slathering my head with butter and I eventually was loose. ",
"Watched my son stick his head between the legs of the fold up table get it stuck, cry, get it unstuck listen to me ask him why he's hell doing that anyway shrug his shoulders and proceed to stick his head in and get it stuck again and cry.\n\nShoulda took some pics for karma-whoring",
"I love pics like this. There cool when that same kid starts acting cocky as a teenager. You can whip it out and show them their simple roots. ",
"They even have it in a frame. OP, your parents love laughing at you more than they love you yourself. ",
"This actually hurts the kid.",
"I dont care if that is your own photo of yourself. The internet does not need more images of suffering children. ",
"The only difference is the last person’s parents were kind of screwed up for taking the picture, but your parents were really screwed up. This image is like borderline child abuse.",
"Parenting done right everyone ",
"This happened to me in the Metrocentre around 1990. Ever since then they've had bars across the metal circle that I got stuck in. My parents also laughed, and still do",
"How'd you get out? That looks impossible lol.",
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"The first one I got, he just seemed sad to be stuck. But you have a pole in your mouth and looked to be in pain. Super shitty parenting ",
"Polaroid, I had one of those grey folding bellows ones when I was a kid. \n\nPicture ready in \"seconds\" although unless you converted them they're all 70s puke colours now",
"There's hundreds of these exact same comments, on the four or five image threads like this. \nDude, we had Polaroid film in the 50s. \n\nJust like now, carry your small rectangle and take (almost) instant pictures with it. \n\nI can only imagine people born after 1995 never used or heard of investing\nInstant film being in use since 1948, as every generation thinks they're the only ones who \"get it\"",
"“And this is why I don’t have front teeth”. ",
" Gate-face Agony new band name I called it.",
"Seems to me like you couldnt handle the taste of metal, but it was the one thing that drove you.",
"Did they at least frame it after getting you out",
"I also have a picture of my kid with his head stuck in a railing. It's actually the first step to getting the child free from the trap.",
"No they learned math from Fort Minor.",
"Yep...",
"Probably. I’ll never know though...they left me here in the fence",
"I was 2. Don’t remember",
"Nope",
"It hangs proudly in my parents’ bedroom",
"The best!",
"Kinda",
"Meaty",
"No idea",
"True true",
"Ok. Kids be crazy",
"Still there ",
"Unfortunately, yes",
"It’s a classic",
"Yes",
"I think so ",
"Nope",
"Did you ever get out?",
"Still stuck...",
"Oh my god. Im laughing way too hard at this! 😂",
"Waaaaay too much thought into that comment buddy. You may have an upvote, but may I suggest a beer instead? You need to relax.",
"The laughter of a toddler is the best thing ever. ",
"You put it perfectly. Although I wouldn't be concerned, I'm sure Ceiling_crack is ok"
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In circa 1980, my parents also took this picture instead of helping me get my head unstuck.
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"Hillbilly Golf",
"/u/longdogstudios, thank you for your submission. Unfortunately, it has been removed for violating the following rule(s):\n\n* Rule IV - Title violates title guidelines.\n\nYour title must not ask for general information or feedback. \n\nYou can read the full information about our title guidelines at /r/pics/w/titles\n\n\n\n\nFor information regarding this and similar issues please see the [rules](https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/about/rules/) and [title guidelines](/r/pics/w/titles). If you have any questions, please feel free to [message the moderators.](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose?to=/r/pics&subject=Question regarding the removal of this submission by /u/longdogstudios&message=I have a question regarding the removal of this [submission.](https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/7s2zyl/what_do_you_call_this_game_our_family_calls_it/?context=10\\))",
"Horse Balls"
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What do you call this game? Our family calls it "Twisted Nads"
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"free ballin'",
"more heart for the sport than lance armstrong ever had",
"Welcome to five years ago. ",
"Bike nutz"
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This tail-light for a bike is supposed to be a "heart". Thx Amazon ...
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[
"Bahh means no. ",
"When youre running out of pokeballs.",
"We call it “Mutton Busters” where I come from",
"Why is this even a thing? There has to be something better we can be teaching this kid. ",
"r/ofcoursethatsathing",
"This needs to be photo shopped"
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Sheep Rodeo
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/r/pics/comments/7s31d7/a_wall_climbing_vine_peels_off_a_building/
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[
"So prune your vines",
"I bet it looked much nicer covered in ivy",
"These strip malls are outta control!",
"The bricks look like they are saying \"Ahhhh.\"",
"There goes the Ivy league status.",
"> Wire mesh covered in vines peels off a building. \n\nFTFY\n\n\nDownvote all you want I'm just reiterating the top comment from *the last* time this was reposted. \n\n¯\\\\_(ツ)_/¯",
"Nature rug",
"I really hope they put it back!",
"NSFW",
"Way cool",
"SAD.",
"True but vines like that are horrible for the brick and mortar in the wall. The additional maintenance costs due to premature breakdown of the brick exterior would no doubt be more expensive than any sort of energy savings gained by keeping the ivy.",
"“Honey look, there’s hardwood under the carpet”",
"Dang can those be put back up?",
"No. ",
"Nothing a bit of duct tape can't fix.",
"/r/Salvia "
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A wall climbing vine peels off a building
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"Dingle balls",
"Testicle Toss",
"Ladder Ball"
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My family calls this game “Twisted Nads”
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/r/pics/comments/7s32dn/misleading_emojis_on_body_wash_found_at_the/
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[
"They’d probably be a lot more popular if they went with “when you smell like shit” and “when you need a good cry in the shower” scents",
"Who the hell buys this crap\n\nNo pun intended",
"You’d probably get more upvotes if it was intended ",
"The soap irritates your eyes, and you'll smell like shit. ",
"It reminds me of the kids song \"Milk, milk, lemonade\" ... You know the rest! Hahaha",
"I don't want to live on this planet anymore. "
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Misleading emojis on body wash found at the dollar store
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/r/pics/comments/7s33vq/20_ft_tall_graffiti_mural_of_kanye_west_kissing/
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[
"The only thing Kanye West love more than himself is Kanye West.",
"Kanye feel dat booty?",
"Location?",
"the wave just arrived in my pants",
"http://i.imgur.com/4DGEqZx.gif",
"I miss the OLD Kanye\nChop up the SOUL Kanye\nStraight from he GO Kanye\nIll with the FLOW Kanye\nI hate the NEW Kanye\nThe always RUDE Kanye\nThe bad MOOD Kanye\nSpaz in the NEWS Kanye\nI miss the OLD Kanye\nKick in the FLOWS Kanye\nWhere all the THOTS at 'Ye?!\nI miss the HOES Kanye\nI love the OLD Kanye\nYou used to LOVE Kanye\nYou had the Pink POLO on\nYou thought you WAS Kanye\nWe used to LOVE Kanye\nThat's all it WAS Kanye\nWell guess what?\nI love you like Kanye loves Kanye",
"Genius loves company. Apparently.",
"Lmao. Kanye's the only one who loves him.",
"I bet Kanye loves this portrait of Kanye and Kanye ",
"Wouldn’t have known it was Kanye if you hadn’t said it tbh ",
"The only thing Kanye loves more than Kanye is giving his children shitty names. ",
"I feel like this would be more complete if there was a third Kanye masturbating to the other two Kanyes.",
"Kanye: I feel like me and Kanye might still have sex. Why? I made that bitch famous",
"**The true meaning of feeling yourself.**",
"Fair, dress Kanye is THICC",
"Eating fish sticks",
"And now I look and look around and there's so many Kanye's",
"The female Kanye's butt is kim's huge azz.",
"\"I dont need your pussy bitch, I'm on my own dick\" - Kanye West",
"This was in Sydney Australia ",
"I ain’t no gay fish",
"You ever ask your Kanye for more Kanyes?",
"I upvoted this, not only because it's great, but I feel like the more it recieves, the more chance it has of being seen by Kanye West. That could be fun.",
"But he does like 'fish sticks'",
"But he does like 'fish sticks'",
"My thoughts exactly!",
"The artist is Lushsux if you'd like to look up a bunch of meme graffiti ",
"Almost looks like Virgil & Kanye ",
"No one loves Kanye like Kanye.",
"Except a fourth Kanye masturbating the third Kanye watching one and two Kanye kissing.",
"Pretty sure it was here\n\n1 Teggs Ln\n\nhttps://goo.gl/maps/ovQH5ZDrYDN2",
"Like a gay fish?",
"Im confused as to why you chose to misquote like 65% of the song...",
"> *\"I love you like Kanye loves Kanye.\"*",
"Thanks for the explanation.",
"i think this was from the SNL skit and not the album version",
"Gay Kanye.",
"Scott marsh actually",
"I thought it was a racist mural about Michelle Obama without her weave at first glance",
"How Ye doin'? I'm survivin'",
"Haha DAE Kanye narcissist!?",
"Looks more like Kanye and Keven Hart to me.",
"Was drinking earlier...",
"I'm taking bets on how long it'll take Kanye to have this mural recreated in and/or on his own home ",
"Now I’m driving",
"I've seen him in the Kardashian show, he actually comes across quite caring and generous. They went to Cuba and had to go dancing. He made a skirt for Kim and their daughter. I thought that was really sweet. ",
"Where the bad bitches, huh? Where you hidin?",
"Kangay West",
"He prob his own D",
"There is. His name is Kanye.",
"Have you listened to his music? His first album in particular he is very self aware about his insecurities. He also is honest about the fact that he uses his ego to both cover up his insecurities and motivate himself. ",
"DAE SOUTH PARKS??? IT'S FUNNY BEACSUE THE CRUDE CARTOONS SAY BAD WORDS :)))))",
"I am the voice of Generation! I'm not a gay fish!!! ",
"Who's the artist and where is it?",
"Don't lewd the Kanyes.",
"Kanye is sad that this is not real. Kanye can never experience the best kiss in the world.",
"What is he, a gay fish?",
"I hope someone reads this, paints that, and we find it on the front page tomorrow. ",
"Scott Marsh did this, he’s a cool dude. He did a mural at my work as well, really talented. ",
"Sorry! I tried to verify the artist and the daily mail had it as lushsux in an article from November 2016 "
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20 ft tall graffiti mural of Kanye west kissing himself.
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/r/pics/comments/7s34w2/found_this_piece_of_art_down_in_miami/
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[
"Clever",
"Is this somewhere in Wynwood? Dope.",
"Man, someone *really* hates The Last Jedi",
"He did it, He stopped wars",
"You are correct this is inWynwood, Miami is my hometown. If you ever get the chance you should check out Art Basel Week in December! ",
"/u/proconverse, thank you for your submission. Unfortunately, it has been removed for violating the following rule(s):\n\n* Rule IV - Title violates title guidelines.\n\nYour title must convey accurate information. \n\nYou can read the full information about our title guidelines at /r/pics/w/titles\n\n\nhttps://tineye.com/search/31eda9633c736708f2bc3dde2df6c6a9ca1db298/\nWould suggest you didn't find the piece of art in Miami but somewhere on the internet. \n\n\n\nFor information regarding this and similar issues please see the [rules](https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/about/rules/) and [title guidelines](/r/pics/w/titles). If you have any questions, please feel free to [message the moderators.](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose?to=/r/pics&subject=Question regarding the removal of this submission by /u/proconverse&message=I have a question regarding the removal of this [submission.](https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/7s34w2/found_this_piece_of_art_down_in_miami/?context=10\\))"
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Found this piece of art down in Miami.
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"Reddit has taught me that people don't clean their nails. ",
"Sell it on eBay for $1000",
"Flip it and turn it upside down, but don’t show it to me after that"
] | 3 |
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This is the magic hot Cheeto for good luck until 2045
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[
"What city/town in CO? This is amazing ",
"Looks like the perfect Sunday evening! ",
"North of FoCo is all I’ll say. ",
"It’s been treating me good up here! ",
"It's making me think about a really thirsty summer.",
"It’s a somewhat old picture haha. ",
"might I suggest upgrading to the Vogner CharKing. ",
"I love all on this photo. I would spend the whole days at this very spot. Literally.",
"Haha thanks! ",
"Going to be staying at a cabin in the Colorado Mountains in just a few months. It's only for a week but this has got me way more hyped for it then I was.",
"Nice! Where at in CO? Enjoy it man CO is a blast! ",
"Just north of Cripple Creek near Colorado Springs. I definitely plan on being up to watch every sunrise over the mountains.",
"Oh Colorado Springs is beautiful! It’s definitely a great time enjoy yourself! ",
"I lived in colo spgs many years. Even spent a couple years in your area. (4-mile fire district)",
"Nice! ",
"Got the Spirit instead of the Genesis I see"
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Grilling in Colorado
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[
"The photoshop is strong with this one. ",
"It's actually hurting.",
"Yet another example of the cunt you are,.wow.",
"It's just a pic of my grand daughter in the snow. I'm old and bored, just having some fun. "
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Red riding hood!
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[
"Guy is Phil Collins",
"Because he is Phil Collins.",
"That's not this guy",
"THE Phil Collins? Phil Collins founder of the dirty burger? One of my great muses",
"That's right",
"Lol I’m from Halifax so the tpb are local hero’s ",
"PEANUT BUTTER AND JAAAAAAAAAMMMMMMMM!!!!",
"BAAAAAMMMMM",
"Weebles Wobble but they don't fall down!"
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Phil Collins
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[
"E",
"G",
"G",
"S",
"GOODBYE",
"Cue the Curb theme song ",
"Yeah they've challenged the fans. And who could turn down a challenge like that. ",
"If you make something idiot proof, they will build a better idiot."
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The grease didn't work.
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[
"Ugh... Imagine the difference in lung colour.",
"What kind of landlord lets people smoke in his rental property lol. Might as well let them piss and shit on the carpet and punch holes in the walls while they're at it.",
"The kind that knows they're keeping that whole security deposit. Possibly the kind that raises the rent or deposit requirements to cover the eventual cleanup.",
"Income level housing in my town. ",
"You’ve been there?!",
"Nah... Just guessing at the kind of landlord that would let that fly."
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One of the tenants are smokers
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/r/pics/comments/7s3cfa/they_encountered_a_black_metal_band_during_their/
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[
"\"...and they became such good friends that all four members of \"Rapture Her\" were invited to be the groomsmen of the apocalypse and wedding band.\" ",
"Guy on the right doesn't seem so sure. Also, who carries a candelabra in the forest?!?\n\"Okay, I have a sword, that's metal AF\" \"I'm bringing, well, you guys will see\"",
"If Ihshan could do it in the \"Loss and Curse of Reverence\" video then it is evil enough for me.",
"> encountered\n\nA wild metal band appeared! ",
"“Do you, Krista, take Xavier for metal and verse, in sickness and hell, until death metal brings you together?”",
"I imagine they didn't show up until the photo was developed. ",
"It's beautiful ",
"He's thinking \"What would Burzum do?\"",
"\"Check out this SWOOORD!\" \n\"I've got a CANDELABRA!!\" \n\"and I'm bringing THE HORNS!!!\" \n\n\"...guys I don't think this is our shoot..\"",
"[I guess they were out for their Sunday stroll?](https://i.pinimg.com/736x/86/6d/e7/866de7927063876b3c19f657eadaa79f--metal-music-funny-pokemon-games.jpg)",
"https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=awa87mmCKpM Made me think of this xD ",
"They remind me of Powerwolf. The make up looks a little similar.",
"i think the question we're all asking is, Who is the band?? and are they any good??",
"Using both hands to hold the candelabra isn’t very metal. Gotta be the bass player.",
"thanks Dad",
"holy shit Groomsmen of the Apocalypse sounds like an amazing metal band. Alternatively you could use something like Crackhead Cannibal or similar!",
"So basically the Charlie Brown of Death Metal?",
"Ahh the elusive black metal band in its natural habitat, beutiful.",
"Roll initiative.",
"The fuck is *wild metal*?",
"I wonder how he loads his sword with that ammunition",
"What a shitty band... They don’t even have any instruments.",
"\"Engagement shoot\"? What's that?",
"[Photographer's blog post about this](http://wheelandphotography.com/engagements/photographer-encounters-a-black-metal-band-in-woods-during-engagement-shoot/)",
"Looks more like a \"white\" metal band.",
"Wild Metal Band used Cacophony! \n\n*It's super effective!*",
"I don't know, but I'll take two albums from whatever artist is furthest to the left on the wild metal shelf.",
"Terrence Howard with a Billy goatee",
" And the guys name is [John Awesome](http://wheelandphotography.com/engagements/photographer-encounters-a-black-metal-band-in-woods-during-engagement-shoot/)",
"Coldvoid is the bands name.",
"And releasing the video of their new hit single *Prima Nocta*",
"It’s funny when you’re an angsty teen you think guys like this must be so hard and cool. Then you become an adult and you realize they’re probably socially-awkward former band geeks. ",
"OP appears to be a karma-farming bot that can only copy/paste other people's stuff.\n\nHere it copied/pasted /u/SuperDuperMAC's submission/title from [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/58fhx9/they_encountered_a_black_metal_band_during_their/).\n\nIts first-person comment [before this](https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/7s33vq/20_ft_tall_graffiti_mural_of_kanye_west_kissing/dt1p3wb/) is a copy/paste of [this comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/4b2jdd/20_ft_tall_graffiti_mural_of_kanye_west_kissing/d15njcj/).\n\nIts submission/title [before that](https://www.reddit.com/r/mildlyinteresting/comments/7s3a0k/this_mcdonalds_still_has_a_gamecube_system/) is a copy/paste of /u/Zandahat127's submission/title [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/mildlyinteresting/comments/5ck7lw/this_mcdonalds_still_has_a_gamecube_system/).\n\nIts comment [before that](https://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/7s31gm/youve_entered_the_wrong_swamp/dt1oiq2/) is a copy/paste of /u/Progo7's comment [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/4g7xmk/youve_entered_the_wrong_swamp/d2fbh9u/).\n\nIf you're not familiar with these types of accounts (and how they hurt reddit), [this page](https://www.reddit.com/r/quityourbullshit/comments/3jss04/meta_spammers_how_they_work_and_how_to_spot_them/) may help to explain.\n",
"Woodland elves of the Black Forest!",
"There is actually such a thing as \"white metal\", it's Christian metal... ie some genre of metal but with pro-Christian lyrics.",
"Never bring a sword to a candelabra fight",
"awesome click ",
"In a shocking Twist the guy on the far right is Tom Hanks in make up and wig.",
"This is art",
"Isn't that [The Black Satans?](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOibIxl3dLo)"
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They encountered a black metal band during their engagement shoot.
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[
"I bet it DROVE the dog crazy!",
"“What you looking at?! I’ll fuckin smash you!” ",
"I hope Australians are keeping secret that kangaroos can actually say the word \"cunt\"",
"Shhhhhhhh. ",
"AND they will mumble it so you move closer in order to hear them, and BAP! Right inna kisser."
] | 5 |
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I caught this intimidating guy steering at my dog and me this arvo.
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[
"It’s disrespectful to wear a baseball cap indoors. My 4 year old knows this already.\n\n[... just ask Tony](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hqp1bGuiHHs&feature=share) \n\nAlso, nice edit on the phone. Lol",
"[It's like we can't get any rest, he's living in our heads rent free](https://media1.tenor.com/images/825788730461a5733c951e5e075e22c0/tenor.gif?itemid=5731396)",
"Isn't that receiver upside down?",
"It is. I photoshopped it.",
"It's also hung up as well as in his hand ",
"your photoshop skills are shit, mate",
"I agree.",
"Oddly, the original photo also showed two phones. Here it is if you're curious: http://www.palmerreport.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/weekend1.jpg",
"No papers on the desk, not talking, staring at the camera like \"I'm working! Look at me work! Work work work work!\"\n\nHe's the governor from Blazing Saddles. "
] | 8 |
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1 I'm an extremely hard worker. Everybody knows this. Just take the picture.
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/r/pics/comments/7s3drb/um_yes_doctor_i_seem_to_have_some_pain_in_my/
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"Lady makes an urgent appointment with her Doctor due to persistent pain in lower back.",
"https://i.imgur.com/CRM4sA8.gif?noredirect",
"What an idiot"
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Um, yes Doctor. I seem to have some pain in my lower back for some reason. What do you think could be causing it?
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/r/pics/comments/7s3ena/i_found_a_baby_snowman_on_a_frozen_lake_in_oregon/
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[
"Photo was taken at Elk Lake near Bend Oregon.",
"So, you found a Snowkid?",
"Why is this picture so unsettling",
"That's snowchild of mine!",
"It's very haunting. The lighting, the focus, the 👀... ",
"Belongs on r/creepy"
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I found a baby snowman on a frozen lake in Oregon. [OC]
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/r/pics/comments/7s3fgd/meet_beau/
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[
"I need one",
"My heart just pooped its pants",
"Good Beau",
"Beau in sneau",
"Cool name.",
"I like what ya did there :) ",
"Likewise mate!!",
"The girl who I got him from has 3 left if you are serious. ",
"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byA3JAdqPQk",
"Well, I wasn’t planning on tearing up today..there goes that. That was a great piece ",
"It's just so catastrophically sad. :(\n\nSorry!",
"Nah it was a great poem, it started out funny and silly then bam, that turning point hit me hard ",
"Yeah, 'sad' is perhaps the wrong word. It conveys really, really well what it means to have a dog that means a lot. Sure it runs off with your slippers and lays dog-eggs in the living room but it loves you unconditionally and you love it.",
"Is it weird that I watched it again just so I could get teared up again? ",
"Le woof"
] | 15 |
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Meet Beau!
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/r/pics/comments/7s3fri/took_this_on_my_way_to_work_this_morning/
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[
"Nope, clowns and shit definitely in there. ",
"Brave of you to work in Silent Hill.",
"r/creepy",
"It looks like a train is coming your way.",
"Do you work in a psychiatric hospital, by any chance?",
"I guarantee you there are at least 2 clowns hiding!",
"What's the going rate for working in the Upside-Down?",
"DONT FOLLOW THE LIGHTS",
"So what did God have to say after appearing to you?",
"Silent Hill looks nice this time of year",
"Salary is average, but high chance of being saved by Chief Hopper",
"Who did you take it from?",
"Was contemplating whether to go to work or not",
"Thanks, their pension scheme is very good",
"And we never heard from OP again",
"[Fixed](https://imgur.com/a/NtOHm)",
"I was definitely keeping an eye out for slender man",
"this place reminding me Vampires...",
"Are ya gonna give it back...?",
"If you had personal music that played according to your situation, tubular bells would be playing.",
"Yup....totally playing silent Hill tonight",
"CJ look the fuck out the train!! ",
"Tell me about it, never let's me go on breaks",
"Tbf my current job has some batshit crazy colleagues",
"Everyone is worried about OP making it out alive. Since the post was successfully made, I assume OP is the deranged killer clown and took this picture while just getting to work. ",
"Reminds me of The Exorcist",
"Previously on Alan Wake ...",
"Creepy",
"There is a 100% chance those woods have werewolves living in them. o.o;",
"Looks like the cover of a Raymond Carver short story collection. ",
"You got me"
] | 32 |
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Took this on my way to work this morning
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/r/pics/comments/7s3g6z/biggest_worldwide_medie_ceo_mister_rupert_murdoch/
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[
"Obama never did that. ",
"Never did what? Sucked murdoch dick?",
"No he didnt, Ailes did and Trump cried",
"Cried metaphorically"
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Biggest worldwide medie CEO mister Rupert Murdoch goes for a fun day of golf on tax payer dollars
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/r/pics/comments/7s3ixk/242lbs_to_167lbs_in_16_months/
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[
"Way to go man :)!!",
"Man, I can’t even tie my shoelaces....",
"Good progress but don't let it get to your head.",
"I’m about to start my own Journey I’m at about 260 right now. Any tips? What did you do for those 16 months?",
"I'm at about what you were and don't know where to start. Would you be willing to share your diet, and exercise regiment?",
"In my opinion the most important tip is that you should start changing your lifestyle in a way that you feel comfortable. Don’t go hardcore on a restricted diet because you won’t feel good, you should start doing exercises twice a week and than three times a week and than everyday. About your eating habits you could start avoiding junk food little by little.",
"You should start in a way that you feel comfortable I started going to the gym twice a week, then three times a week and nowadays I do some type of exercise almost everyday. About your eating habits my biggest tip is that you should also start in a way that isn’t completely different than your habits now because otherwise you won’t feel very good and your body won’t accept it. Start making at least three meals a day with food that you like and also food that is not heavy on fat and go on grinding till you hit a lifestyle that you’re happy with your body. I hope I helped you in some way (sorry if I got something wrong English is not my native language).",
"Yep. Trying to do everything at once, cutting out all junk food, going to the gym 5 times a week is going to last one week. Make small lifestyle changes and focus on one thing at a time.\n\nDiets don't work. You'll lose weight for a while and it'll come back. You need to change your lifestyle and stick with it.",
"So you went from being fat to a duchebag. Not sure which one is worse.",
"Why duchebag?",
"Taking selfies, taking photos flexing with a bunch of shirtless dudes, that hand gesture. Pretty much sums it up. "
] | 11 |
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242lbs to 167lbs in 16 months
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[
"It looks like this post is about US Politics. Various methods of filtering out content relating to US Politics can be found [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/wiki/v2/resources/filter/politics).\n\n*I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/pics) if you have any questions or concerns.*",
"Now THAT's what you call a first lady.",
"I think we have different ideas on what that means.",
"Donald wasnt her first, sad to say. watch the documentary she messed around.",
"I've wondered if he might not try to \"trade up\" wives while he's president. After all, why become president if you're just going to stay with the same wife?",
"Or a porn star but I guess we all have our own perspectives and opinions",
"No, that's a real photo of her taken for a UK tabloid before she becaime 1st lady",
"[A bunch of okeydoke](http://erooups.com/img/img3/20100625/erotic/13/obama_03.jpg?1277422900)",
"Jesus Christ; I keep forgetting that for the first time in US history, we as Americans can masturbate to the First Lady. ",
"He met his 3rd wife Melania at a porn shoot so I cant imagine he is that loyal to her. And vice versa. He cheated on her atleast three times while she was pregors. These people arent normal lol",
"Somehow this just fits this president's narrative...",
"I hadn't heard about the porn shoot business . . . a bit about the cheating, though.",
"I have a framed picture of Nancy Reagan...",
"[Hey I have seen that magic trick!](https://youtu.be/Y3QpbjxI0BI)\n\nIf you know what I mean ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)",
"Mary Todd Licoln was hawt",
"A real porn photo, with nipples censored by tabloids for some reason. Why would someone pose nude for a tabloid? You are fake news.",
"In all seriousness. WTF. ",
"Links? For sources *ahem*",
"/u/SilverSpoonSoldier, thank you for your submission. Unfortunately, it has been removed for violating the following rule(s):\n\n* Rule II - No porn or overly sexual images.\n\n\n\nFor information regarding this and similar issues please see the [rules](https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/about/rules/) and [title guidelines](/r/pics/w/titles). If you have any questions, please feel free to [message the moderators.](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose?to=/r/pics&subject=Question regarding the removal of this submission by /u/SilverSpoonSoldier&message=I have a question regarding the removal of this [submission.](https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/7s3jix/melania_trump_has_been_censored_so_many_timesisnt/?context=10\\))"
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Melania Trump has been censored so many times...Isn't censorship equal to fake news?
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/r/pics/comments/7s3m04/behind_americas_skyline/
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[
"Just like America in 1929....almost there people",
"Still has a designer handbag though. Best Country in the world!",
"It’s terrible. Whenever I see pictures like this I always wonder what happened to these peoples’ families. Do they have siblings? Do they have children? Did they ever have friends that tried to help them? \n\nPart of me wants to believe no—they have always been alone, and ultimately nobody could help them. And when they were at their lowest, society gave them the final blow and cast them to the streets. \n\nOn the other hand it’s most likely that they did have families and friends. I can only wonder why they turned their backs on these people. ",
"I read posts from people trying to help their relatives who had serious drugs and alcohol problems and ended up homeless. Not sure if it applies here but it's pretty horrible to deal with (lies, theft, violence). It seems like the only way to help is to force them to go to rehab.",
"Reminds me of slums I've seen in Mumbai. ",
"what a shithole",
"Kind of a naive perspective there. I know it's good feels to make these people into victims, but most of the time it's *choices* that lead to this lifestyle, not to mention they choose to continue living this way as well. Even when offered help/opportunities, whatever issues landed them on the streets will keep them there. Whether it's drugs, mental illness, or flat out bad decisions, many of these folks are beyond rehabilitation. Not all, of course, but the majority for sure. You can't just stick them in a house and suddenly everything is all better. You'd essentially need a 24/7 caretaker to provide them a slightly higher quality of life than they find on their own. When it comes to survival, these homeless people know how to get by though. Most of us wouldn't last a single night out there, but they've made a lifestyle out of this simple urban camping.",
"*I* don't even have a walk-in closet.",
"Reminds me of that classic film, \"they live\".\n\n",
"How my mom sees my room.",
"A majority of the country doesn't make the majority of its decisions. Most people are quite helpful when they can be.",
"my dad is homeless. nobody wants to help him anymore because he is a horrible person",
"Man if you think the US is a shithole, you should look up the stats of HDI, median income, infant mortality and similar stats for Haiti, sub-saharan Africa and El Salvador.",
"My dad's pretty close to being homeless, but he chose a needle over me and gambled his money away. I have my own stuff I need to sort out man, I can't sacrifice my life for a guy who was a pretty terrible dad.",
"That's not a high standard to hold yourself to.",
"I agree, but the US is nowhere near that level. Anyone calling the US a shithole but not those countries is wildly misinformed.",
"Even the homeless have too much stuff in America. ",
"See Amazon, this is why you definitely don't want to move your HQ2 to Denver."
] | 18 |
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Behind America’s skyline
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/r/pics/comments/7s3mkd/bruising_approximately_1_week_after_fracturing_my/
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"r/MedicalGore",
"Shouldn't you have a cast? ",
"It's that itching going on inside as the bones knit, makes me crazy."
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Bruising approximately 1 week after fracturing my arm.
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/r/pics/comments/7s3orc/me_and_my_old_friend_in_kindergarten_i_am/
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[
"Do you guys still keep in touch? ",
"Could you buy alcohol when you were in kindergarten?",
"Unfortunately I never spoke to or heard from him after that year because I moved to another city for 1st grade",
"Believe me or not, I couldn't"
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Me and my old friend in Kindergarten. (I am Spider-Man)
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/r/pics/comments/7s3qz5/donald_and_melania_hate_real_news_they_censor_it/
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[
"what a rebel you are\n",
"So her & Jackie Kennedy are the only first ladies that have been photographed in the nude? Interesting trivia.",
"and Hillary. Look up the posing for posture scandal.",
"Really? I don't know if I really want to...\n\nedit: sigh. Fine. brb. Aaaaand, I didn't find anything other than NSFL photoshops and other people. Link?",
"/u/SilverSpoonSoldier, thank you for your submission. Unfortunately, it has been removed for violating the following rule(s):\n\n* Rule II - No porn or overly sexual images.\n\n\n\nFor information regarding this and similar issues please see the [rules](https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/about/rules/) and [title guidelines](/r/pics/w/titles). If you have any questions, please feel free to [message the moderators.](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose?to=/r/pics&subject=Question regarding the removal of this submission by /u/SilverSpoonSoldier&message=I have a question regarding the removal of this [submission.](https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/7s3qz5/donald_and_melania_hate_real_news_they_censor_it/?context=10\\))"
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Donald and Melania hate real news. They censor it. They block it. They try to yell at it until it goes away.
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/r/pics/comments/7s3s3p/his_parents_asked_him_about_a_theme_for_his_room/
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"I like it.",
"Did something go wrong here?",
"I can only hope that wallpaper is a giant Rickroll!"
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His parents asked him about a theme for his room and he said 'music'. What could go wrong.
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[
"That's cutting-edge ",
"It takes guts to wear something like that! One slip and he slashes his jugular! Good thing he's wearing black. ",
"That’s Edwina scissor face, Edwards sister",
"That would make for an ideal enemy, easy to get away from because they cant run. ",
"Looking sharp "
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Latest Fashion Face Mask
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/r/pics/comments/7s3wds/chilling_on_the_temples_in_cambodia_quick_shot/
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[
"What type of camera is this? Did you literally just point and shoot? It looks awesome btw!",
"Probably should've mentioned, it's the [Canon SX730 HS](https://www.canon.co.nz/cameras/powershot-sx730-hs). Literally just point and shoot on auto. Bought it for my trip through Vietnam, Cambodia and Thailand. Good little camera",
"[another shot here](https://i.imgur.com/zJTqPZQ.jpg)",
"It's a Changeable Lizard, they are pretty common but not always easy to spot. Nice picture. "
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Chilling on the temples in Cambodia. Quick shot with my Canon Point and Shoot camera.
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/r/pics/comments/7s3x1u/my_ninja_cats/
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[
"[looked familiar](https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/b/b0/Corvette-CHRON.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20070106183238) ",
"Your second one is really good at hiding. Can't find it.",
"\"Ha! Stupid humans can't see me\"",
"{\t-\t}7",
"What cat?"
] | 5 |
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My Ninja Cats
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/r/pics/comments/7s3ylr/previous_tenant_did_not_understand_dryers/
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[
"Previous tenant was very lucky.",
"Definitely had a maroon/grey phase before moving out...",
"I have no words.",
"For real, that’s a ridiculous fire hazard ",
"Just saving it for a rainy day is all. ",
"DAMN",
"Probably also had high energy bills. ",
"Awww you can see the seasons in lint rings. ",
"On one hand I'm glad modern dryers have an auto cutout if they exceed a certain temp, on the other hand, I'm disappointed with the fact stupidity mean this has to be a thing at all. ",
"Must have taken them hours to dry ",
"Almost enough to make a sweater",
"Had a similar dryer a while back and the lint trap wasnt obvious and not easy to see",
"Maybe it was a European. Most of us dont use dryers at home.",
"To be fair, who the hell puts a lint trap in that spot?",
"Can anyone explain what was the person holding in the picture? I have never used a dryer before.",
"That's a good way to waste electricity and possibly start a fire",
"It’s from the lint trap. Imagine all those little fuzzy balls off cloth on your sweaters but from all your clothes. ",
"Woahhh. So are you supposed to clean it once in a while, instead of leaving it to grow into such a big fur ball?",
"Ya. Actually it should be emptied with every new batch of clothes. ",
"I check mine with every load. It needs cleaned about every third load.\n\n",
"Thats not really true...",
"That must have been oddly satisfying to remove",
"Found the previous tenant :P",
"Looks like a steak tbh",
"My Mom is the kind of person who would be standing outside with water hose ready when we were playing with Sparklers and Snake Pellets as kids on the 4th of July. Suffice it to say, I learned growing up to clean out the lint trap with every single load.",
"Maybe he wasn't used to dryers and nobody ever told him what to watch out for. ",
"They are not really common, although larger families tend to have them, if space allows. ",
"Where in Europe are we talking about? I'm pretty sure it's more common to have them then not to in the Netherlands. I honestly don't know a lot of Dutch people who don't have them.",
"I grew up in Germany and at that time, maybe one in ten households had a dryer. I never had one in any apartment I lived in during last 30 years. ",
"You could pick that apart and weave a blanket.",
"Sorry my family can't afford one.\nFirst time using it in someone else's place. :P",
"Thank you. Learned something new today :D",
"And whoever cleaned/prepared the place after they left did a shitty job.",
"What a dumba... what am I looking at here? Is there a filterish screeny thing in there somewhere?",
"My youngest sister did this at her first apartment. I went to visit and see the new place after she had been moved in for a few weeks and agreed to helped her fix some things that weren't working. The problems we tackled were:\n\n1. Dryer \"not working\" - Lint like pictured above\n2. Strange smell/humidity when dryer running - Vent not hooked up.\n3. \"Internet not working\" - bird's nest of wires hooked up to things don't actually connect the modem and router, only tie them together in literal knots. \n\nI'm still not sure how she got to the point of living on her own without some of these basic things figured out, but she did. Generally, she's got her shit together, too, so it was strange. ",
"Their clothes couldn't have been getting very dry either...",
"It should also be serviced routinely. Lint can get inside the machine. Over time it will go on fire. ",
"That is LITERALLY the same thing that happened to me when I moved into my apartment a few months ago. And it was the same model of dryer, too.",
"Yeah. If you leave it it will cause the dryer to be really inneffective and could potentially start a house fire. That's stuffs flammable as hell",
"Whoever designed the world's worst washer/dryer. This looks like a newer model compared to the one I had, but goddamn, it was just awful. Laundry used to take me a full day because you can fit half of a regular load in the washer and the dryer almost always took 1.5 times the longest setting to dry everything",
"Pull the agitator up from the washer, that model needs to be cleaned too. ",
"Grew up in Germany, too. ",
"No. You're supposed to leave it until it becomes a sentient being and takes over the world."
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[
"CAN SHE HEAR ME????",
"Cool. Me too. This always gets in head; to find a way to let people know it easier without having to tell them, 27 years and people still think I'm fucking joking about being deaf in one year. A tattoo wouldn't solve my problem but it's cool. ",
"Maybe she just needs an updated audio driver...",
"Isn't that a symbol for \"mute\", so not exactly what she's going for here...? It's not like her ear is being muted.",
"Amber?",
"Maybe she just needs an updated audio driver... \nEdit: yeah I stole that comment so what",
"Have you tried turning her off and on again?",
"it means mentally that 'speaker' which to you is microphone is disabled. (am deaf in left ear blunt force trauma)",
"I think there is a mute button that needs to be pressed somewhere. ",
"Yeah. I'm 27 now and one ear deaf since I was born. Can't count how many relationships I lost because of the \"never minds\", or I just lost interest because I couldn't understand a thing they were saying. While I think most of my closest ones always try to help me, even then sometimes they lose patience. ",
"Innuendo.",
"What?",
"Pretty neat idea ",
"So am I. From birth. Nerve deafness.\n\nEvery time this gets posted I think man, an ear is more like a mic than a speaker.\n\nThe muted speaker icon would be appropriate for a mute human, not a deaf in one ear human.\n\nI should know. ",
"Plot twist: it's the other ear",
"Came here to be annoyed by the same thing.",
"Is this a repost? Or just a common tattoo....",
"Yeah but you'd see that thing on things that could make noise but aren't doing. \n\nLike a speaker.\n\nI get there's no appropriate, universally understood symbol for this with microphones, but if I was being facetious (and I am a bit) I would expect that if we could disable the muteness, her ear would start blasting tunes. ",
"That depends on how you think of \"sound\". You could argue that the actual sound is produced by your ear reacting to changes in air pressure and then transmitting the sensation of sound to your brain. In that way, your ears are indeed the stereo speakers producing sound for your brain, but one of them isn't working.",
"I'm here for the deaf in one ear convention, I was told there would be beer. \n\nOr they could have said it was near. I'm not entirely sure. ",
"If only this was available for the easy ones.",
"All she gotta do is click on that icon there...",
"Right, ears take changes in air pressure, and convert them to electrical signals, same as microphones.\n\nSpeakers go the other way, taking electrical signals and converting them to changes in air pressure.",
"Is a cochlear implant (the implanted part, not the external microphone) a microphone or a speaker?\n\nOr, to put it another way: is a speaker only a speaker when it outputs the signal as changes in air pressure, or could a speaker also have some other medium as output?",
"Shouldn’t she has a mic sign?",
"What's wrong with you?",
"It really bothers me it's not a crossed out microphone. She doesn't speak out of her ear after all .",
"I can tell you that hearing aids are essentially both a mic and a speaker. Which feeds into your ear. ",
"According to https://www.nidcd.nih.gov/health/cochlear-implants, cochlear implants interface directly with the auditory nerve, so it's more of a signal processor, with an attached microphone.\n\nSpeakers can work through many mediums, as long as it will conduct vibration. There are speakers for use underwater, as well as bone conductive speakers.",
"dont you want a microphone symbol?",
"Ok, if you base your definition of \"speaker\" on the conduction of vibration, then I guess there's no way to claim an ear is a type of speaker, and the tattoo is indeed, inaccurate.",
"An input buffer?",
"For the hearing person, deafness is similar to having a speaker off, rather than a mic off. With the mic off, you can just talk and hear normally, a perfectly typical hearing experience that is nothing like being deaf. With the speaker off, you have the sensation of looking at YouTube videos of people mouthing words with no sound. That feels like deafness. \n\nThe intent isn't to communicate a lack of reception for sound input, it's to indicate that there is no sound heard at that location, and redirect you to the other ear. ",
"My father in law lost part of his hearing range due to engine noise exposure when he was a plane mechanic. He cannot hear 80% of the range most women speak in. So often, when asked to repeat themselves, people will get louder and higher pitched, which is counter productive for him. \n\nI’ve learned that when I really want him to hear me, I need to speak in my lowest register. It can be hard adapting, but it’s worth it. ",
"I doubt your authenticity, as the deaf in one ear convention is full of surly people who have been massively inconvenienced by these jokes and are looking for someone to hurt. \n\nSOURCE: Am deaf in one ear and feeling the hate flow through me",
"I'm deaf in one ear and the other one is pretty useless, the authenticity is legit. \n\nI'm allowed to make fun of myself, and I love to do it. I won't have anyone tell me otherwise. ",
"Isn't it? If I have a headset and only one side is on, the other side is muted. \nWhat would be a better symbol?",
"Which ear? ",
"I saw this the other day on another deaf person, and I thought it meant they were mute...",
"28 deaf on left ear since birth and never had this problem. Some few times people might have been anoyed, but when we go to eat I ask to sit in a specific chair. 'can i sit there? I will here you better then' and no one ever minns that. If they whisper during lectures or something i say 'sorry cant hear you, tell me later. ' never har a problem. \n\nTold my gf on our first date that i only hear on my left and since then she has always made sure to walk on ny left side.",
"I've seen the tatoo here before, but that was a guy ",
"*...In* ***your*** *endo.*",
"which ear?",
"You need more upvotes!",
"Shouldn't it be a cross on the mic?",
"Just posted the same thing about the mic and the speaker. Thank you.",
"My SO might be getting one of these one day... She's rapidly losing hearing in her right ear for some reason.",
"[This](https://image.flaticon.com/icons/svg/39/39517.svg) because it's an audio input device.",
"Wouldn't the ears be the microphones? and the mouth is our speaker?",
"Like this person on imgur did last time I saw this. https://imgur.com/gallery/c44CRIt\n\nMain thing with sound and these icons is that speakers emit, microphones capture. Until someone speaks out of their ears and listens by their mouth, if there do with actual proof, I'll become vegan.",
"Should it not be a microphone?",
"It should be a microphone.. still cool though.",
"OMG, that's going to be me, I'm almost deaf in my right ear, I so need this in my life.",
"Wouldn’t a muted microphone be better in this case? ",
"Not to be a party pooper but that symbol is wrong. It means to stop projecting sound. Which would mean, she can’t speak. \n\nEars are like microphones. ",
"Every time this gets posted this is the top comment.",
"If you push on the icon, can she hear again?",
"/u/aenimayoshii",
"Maybe it's more an instruction to shut your mouth speaker when trying to talk to that ear. ",
"Push to talk amirite",
"But...that's the symbol for a speaker.",
"You're the hero we need.",
"Nah, it's just the balance is all the way to the right.",
"🤚",
"Shouldn’t it be a mic symbol?",
"I thought it was at least a little bit funny, if a little obvious.",
"Could say the same about you.",
"Music is booming from both my ears, I can't imagine what it would be like if one of my ears were muted. No sound coming from there!\n\n/s\n\nShould be a mic symbol. The ears do not make sound.",
"Try pressing and holding for 15 seconds",
"I think it should be a mic symbol.",
"It depends on the perspective. It's a mic we're everybody talks to. But for you it is also the output. You put the nerves and brain and everything in the same bag. So ears it the seeker to you. ",
"Since when is an ear an output device? It should be a mic, as in audio in. Shurgs",
"...but what if her hair is down?",
"Lovely sense of humor!",
"I should get one for my right ear, but one that says the mic is off. Lost my hearing due to an infection. I remember that pain and I was just a little over 2 years old. The nerve is dead. ",
"Speakers produce sound. Mics receive sound. That's how it works. ",
"It is a transducer pair with a fancy amplifier in between the recieving and emitting components",
"Shouldn't she have a microphone with a slash through it?",
"I am also completely deaf in one ear and this photo triggers me as well. ",
"Huh?",
"Yeah, I would've expected to see a mic as well since mics pick up sound and speakers produce sound.",
"Anyone with a dead and an aidable ear ear can talk to a hearing health professional to try out a CROS or BiCROS hearing instrument. It won't give you directionality, but it will allow you to hear sounds originating from the un-aidable side. Phonak makes a nice one. ",
"So.... the people that ALWAYS bitch about the speaker icon being wrong on pics like this, how about considering that it could mean “don’t make any sound in this ear”? Also, the speaker icon looks more aesthetically pleasing as compared to the mic icon. ",
"Oh sure. I’m also deaf in one ear after someone slapped me in school. Ive had people call my name from my deaf side and then they think I’m ignorant or oblivious. My brother actually told me it’s in my head and if I try hard enough I can cure it? It’s fine for 90% of interactions but when it’s not it’s incredibly frustrating. ",
"I agree, basically.\n\nHowever, are you familiar with the old question: \"If a tree falls in the woods and nobody is there to hear it, does it make a sound?\"\n\nIt's possible to argue that the \"sound\" isn't the vibration of the air, but rather the neurological sensation caused by our ear reacting to said vibration. If that's how we're looking at it, then the ear, or even the nerve, or the brain, produce the sound and would, according to your logic, be the speaker.\n\nThis is obviously quite tortuous and nobody in everyday situations would use this interpretation, but it is possible to construct a sound (no pun intended) argument.",
"But it has a different symbol. Which was his point.",
"I saw it as she personally has her left speaker muted. ",
"Might need to make sure the connector is fully seated and jiggle the cable. ",
"Except ears don't create vibrations so they don't produce sound. Vibrations can be sent through the air. How do you think those vibrations reach us? Those vibrations are produced in the larynx when talking or making noises. ",
"You can have that philosophical musing, but it would directly apply to the origin of those symbols as well.\n\nIf the microphone icon would describe the device that generates the air pressure, and the speaker the one that receives them, arguing \"sound is maybe just the 1s and 0s in the conductors and not the airpressure\"...\n\nEither way you define it could be seen as fine, except that the symbols would then not match the physical devices anymore.\n\nThe tattoo on the other hand is trying to play on the computer analogy, and for this it needs to be the \"same\" way.",
"Same situation. Driving sucks though. ",
"From her perspective everyone on that side of her is mute though",
"not at all. what you just said literally makes no sense. \n",
"Agreed, the tattoo is wrong.",
"I’m deaf in one ear too from birth! I think it has plenty of perks: most of the time no one notices and I get to sleep really quickly by just sleeping on my hearing ear.",
"Yeah according to this tattoo she's mute. ",
"I tried this and personally wasn’t a fan, just isn’t quite good enough imo to make it worth purchasing and remembering to use when the sound quality isn’t that great yet. I’m hoping the technology improves over the next decade or two, which I anticipate will happen.",
"OP appears to be a karma-farming bot that can only copy/paste other people's stuff.\n\nHere it copied/pasted /u/iBleeedorange's submission/title from [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/47mt58/shes_deaf_in_one_ear/).\n\nIts first-person comment [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/7ncwva/what_is_the_stupidest_thing_you_thought_as_a_child/ds0wx75/) is a copy/paste of /u/friendsb4lovers's comment [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/5a4f2d/what_was_the_dumbest_thing_you_thought_as_a_kid/d9dny23/).\n \nIts first-person comment [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/7ln85s/one_bible_length_for_holy_spirit/drnjjpg/) is a copy/paste of /u/unknownquark's comment [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/5ph671/one_bible_length_for_holy_spirit/dcr6mvk/).\n\nIts first-person comment [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/7j4bhj/the_beginning_of_a_bad_joke/dr3iwm4/) is a copy/paste of /u/u770017's comment [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/39854b/the_beginning_of_a_bad_joke/cs1dptf/).\n\n\nIf you're not familiar with these types of accounts (and how they hurt reddit), [this page](https://www.reddit.com/r/quityourbullshit/comments/3jss04/meta_spammers_how_they_work_and_how_to_spot_them/) may help to explain.",
"Same!!",
"Maybe I didn't explain myself well.\nLet's say that the ear is an organ responsible for me to hear. It is an abstraction off course as there are many systems that go into that, nerves, brain inner ear etc.\n\nAssuming that, then my ear stops working and I stop hearing stuff it feels like my speaker is broken. Like for example if you have an earphone and it fails. In my perspective it was the ear providing me sound. The ear was my speaker. So my speaker is mutated because I am not getting any sound out of it. \n\nYou can argue that it is not an accurate a essential because of the way the ear works. So tecnicaly it should work more like a mic. And for an outside observer it is true. It is more like a mic. But for herself the symbol is of a broken speaker. \n\nSometimes people use symbols and abstractions and not the hard truths of the world. So it depends on the perspective. \n",
"Every time I see this pop up on Reddit there's always more conversation and arguing than there is about whether or not a hotdog is a sandwich. ",
"My SO is mostly deaf in her left ear, and it took me a while to realize that she wanted to hear EVERYTHING I said, even if it was something stupid or offhanded.\n\nI do my best now, even if it means I have to scream \"THAT TREE IS FAR AWAY\"\n\nOh also, all the people trying to say it should be a microphone and not a speaker? Please attempt to leave your house and speak to another human being. We all know what it's attempting to say and it's a more common icon. Someone with an impairment is trying to find ome humor in it and you're up here going \"ACHTUALLLLY\"\n\nSeek help.",
"Well to be fair, she probably can't talk out of that ear either. ",
"I could refer you to my other comment that says that it depends of the perspective.\n\nFor her, it's like her speakers are muted.\n\nFor you her ears are a mic. ",
"Shouldn't that be a microphone?",
"Which ear?",
"I like how it's a repost and top comment is the exact same one as the last time. ",
"If the person is the computer, the mouth is the output, the ear the input. Therefore, the ear is a mic.",
"It's like, the tattoo is for her and not for everyone else. Craziness.",
"I have this same tattoo. It's not me that's not listening to input, It's you(the talker) that needs to not make sound in this ear.",
"\"Watch out for the truck on the right! I mean left! Wait...\"\n\n**THUD**",
"It's a hardware problem",
"A girl I know has out of order behind her deaf ear I'm jelly also being deaf in one ear I wish I had thought of it",
"lol ha ha ",
"The world is their computer, and they are experiencing it with one side muted. Either interpretation works, IMO.",
"Shouldn't that be mic on mute? Speakers are where noise come from and mic where it goes in",
"29 here, deaf in the right ear since birth as well. I am always quite fond when I recognize the silent attempts my real friends make to ensure they are standing on my left side when walking. It's a struggle when meeting new people because they are always confused as to why I lean over to listen to them, but has mostly been accepted without issue.",
"That's a really poorly done tattoo for such a simple design. The edges are too rounded and the items are too close together for the speaker part. 4/10.",
"Wouldn't ears be more like a Mic as we pick up audio with our ears, and not produce it like speakers?",
"Don’t you mean 👋 to stress it?",
"Repost ",
"Anyone seeking more info might also check here:\n\ntitle | points | age | /r/ | comnts\n:--|:--|:--|:--|:--\n[She's deaf in one ear](http://www.reddit.com/r/UNBGBBIIVCHIDCTIICBG/comments/47mt61/shes_deaf_in_one_ear/) | 660 | 1^yr | UNBGBBIIVCHIDCTIICBG | 35\n[She's deaf in one ear](http://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/47mt58/shes_deaf_in_one_ear/) | 4687 | 1^yr | pics | 1365\n\n*[Source: karmadecay](http://karmadecay.com/r/pics/comments/7s3ywf/shes_deaf_in_one_ear/)*",
"Oooooold repost? ",
"Wouldn't a muted microphone be the correct tattoo? That's the mute symbol. Ears don't generate sound. ",
"Every time that comment gets posted, this comment gets posted",
"Try uninstalling and reinstalling the audio driver.",
"Here, have a downvote.",
"Repost!",
"That still makes no sense. From her view, it would be like other people's speakers are muted. So she would put that tattoo on other people.",
"> those that say \"never mind\" rather than speak to me when I cannot hear and ask them to repeat themselves. \n\nOMG! I hate that so much. I've gotten to the point that if i know that I'm going to be spending a lot of time around someone, such as professors or classmates, I tell them that if i ever say 'what?' I'm not confused and need explaining I just want them to repeat the last thing they said.\n",
"I also confuse people when we go out of stores and such when left side is closer but I go behind them to their right side. Takes them by surprise sometimes",
"I see the problem she has it muted.",
"Not if she considers the ear the organ that receives external sound and outputs internal sound. It is an abstraction of the complexities of things, but valid imo. \nSo it goes:\nYou (think about it) - mouth(speaker) - ear(mic) - ear(speaker) - her (process) ",
"What is he ear identifies as a speaker",
"While you're at it- Top post from /u/MajorCopper is stolen right from [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/47mt58/shes_deaf_in_one_ear/d0e6ynb/) last time it was posted.",
"https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/47mt58/shes_deaf_in_one_ear/d0e6ynb/",
"Actually, ears supposedly do emit sound. I remember reading an article several years ago. Had to look it up again and I think this was the article I read. Google \"Human Ears Also Create Sounds of their Own\". Supposedly everyone's ear emits a unique sound. In theory, this could help prevent fraud, but I don't see this becoming a thing of the future to implement. ",
"Damn it! \n\nIts [most recent comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/7s72p8/thats_one_way_to_get_rid_of_the_snow/dt2g559/) is a copy/paste of /u/WhyYouLikeCats's comment [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/WTF/comments/7rq6ov/using_a_flamethrower_to_shovel_the_driveway/dsysemk/).\n\nIts [comment before that](https://www.reddit.com/r/PKA/comments/7s6xsy/man_taylor_has_been_crushing_it_on_tinder/dt2ffxy/) is a copy/paste of /u/goldfishpaws's comment [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/5zyw0l/two_girls_one_owl/df2627i/) (or /u/kozimcrazy's comment [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/75i85v/two_girls_one_owl/do6dtc1/).\n\nIts comment [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/RealDonaldTrump/comments/7s6dyp/realdonaldtrump_end_the_democrats_obstruction/dt2ahhk/?context=3) isa copy/paste of /u/ameoba's comment [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/EnoughTrumpSpam/comments/5dq0hx/fraud_the_president_elect_settled_a_fraud_lawsuit/da6g698/).\n\nComment [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/indiadiscussion/comments/7s66sr/a_political_cartoon_showing_current_indias/dt28uqh/) is a copy/paste of /u/Perno's comment [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/ink9s/i_have_fapped_to_this_image_more_than_any_other/c2561u6/).\n\nComment [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/celebritylegs/comments/7s5f15/anna_kendrick/dt22yb0/) (even the unnecessary space before the question mark) is a copy/paste of /u/Djaquitchane\n's comment [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/gentlemanboners/comments/2yc3pw/anna_kendrick/cp87tpf/).\n\nIts comment [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/nevertellmetheodds/comments/7ry8mn/this_is_how_the_newspapers_were_stacked_up_at_my/dt0hawp/) is a copy/paste of /u/pseudo_potatoes's comment [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/mildlyinteresting/comments/7rxl4r/this_is_how_the_newspapers_were_stacked_up_at_my/dt0dugn/).\n\nComment [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/7rx9bs/the_exact_moment_harrison_ford_accidentally/dt0affb/) is a copy/paste of /u/tim_jam's comment [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/73s23h/harrison_ford_accidentally_punching_ryan_gosli).\n\nComment [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/7s7m7x/train_simulator_is_so_immersive/dt2ko60/) is a copy/paste of /u/TooShiftyForYou's commnet [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/70azv1/train_simulator_is_so_immersive/dn1syhd/).\n",
"This! That’s what I was going for too but didn’t have the icon on the top of my head. The current icon suggests no sound will be coming out of there.",
"[Direct copy and paste](https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/47mt58/shes_deaf_in_one_ear/d0ecear/) from the karma bot account /u/Grouven ",
"You're the man.",
"For once I'm not being called a bot myself, what a day!",
"I only found an article from 2009 which is copy and pasted in a few locations. I'm not surprised that it does create a sound, as many parts of the body does that you wouldn't hear with the human ear. It's just the general usage of the icons in the real world a muted speaker means that no sound is being produced from the system, does it mean she is mute and maybe not deaf? Many questions.",
"Oh I understand what you were saying originally, what you said reminded me of that article from long time ago. Many questions indeed. Interesting to think that our ears supposedly emit a unique sound. "
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"Dope! But would you mind showing us the rest of that cool lamp ?",
"Here’s the camera I used along with the lamp behind it \n\nhttps://i.imgur.com/876D35a.jpg",
"Aw that's cool! Thanks"
] | 3 |
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My bro’s Death Star Lamp (Canon EOS 20D 55 mm, 1/125s, f/8.0, ISO 1600)
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/r/pics/comments/7s40v8/opinion_on_wall_color/
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[
"Honest opinion? Not having walls might be better.",
"Are you serious?",
"Not my color, that's all. If you like it, paint it.",
"What don't you like about it?",
"Its a brown-green-yellow mashup, tending towards what I'd describe as 'algal.'\n\nI would tend more towards cooler colors.\n\nBut again - what do I know.",
"Thanks for the input.",
"Best of luck with the wall!",
"It looks like my midnight trip after copious amounts of taco bell. A full opinion would depend more on what else is in the room.\n\nIm not saying jts bad, but I definitely wouldnt paint an entire room thia colour. \n\nEdit: i cant spell.",
"It looks like pea soup. Or diarrhea.",
"Sorry, what does \"ky\" mean?",
"I cant type c: ",
"The picture may be a little dark. I think the color is more green.",
"Oh, lol. ",
"I think itd be good if you did three walls a darkish grey and the main wall that color",
"It’ll make the room feel confined",
"In what way?",
"Once every wall is painted the darkness will feel enveloping ",
"/u/Yup1Yup1Yup, thank you for your submission. Unfortunately, it has been removed for violating the following rule(s):\n\n* Rule IV - Title violates title guidelines.\n\nYour title must not ask for general information or feedback. \n\nYou can read the full information about our title guidelines at /r/pics/w/titles\n\n\n\n\nFor information regarding this and similar issues please see the [rules](https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/about/rules/) and [title guidelines](/r/pics/w/titles). If you have any questions, please feel free to [message the moderators.](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose?to=/r/pics&subject=Question regarding the removal of this submission by /u/Yup1Yup1Yup&message=I have a question regarding the removal of this [submission.](https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/7s40v8/opinion_on_wall_color/?context=10\\))"
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Opinion on wall color?
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[
"You are beautiful 😍",
"most insecure person on reddit? you are better than this!",
"That rug really ties the room together.",
"This would be a better post on \\r\\RoastMe",
"🔥",
"Out of all the subs you could post this on you choose this one!?",
"It is foretold in the book of Sarah that the thirst in man will reveal its presence in a thread such as this one.\n#ShowUsTheMonkey",
"didn't i see you at the woman's march yesterday?",
"What's the point of posting this here? I get that it's called pics, but there are literally hundreds of subs where you would get appropriate attention. Not enough Facebook likes or did you post too many selfies there that you aren't getting adequate attention? Paging r/oopsdidntmeanto. ",
"Jaaaade :)"
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My striped dress
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[
"That was wrong of her, hang in there...",
"you weren't planning on using your testicles...thanks mom.",
"I think we have all been there before. ",
"r/blunderyears \n\nHope you're better about not getting stuck in trees any more!",
"Getting bullied by a tree. Priceless.",
"Your mom was right",
"Defs would have taken the picture first if it was me tbh. Need photographic evidence of a fuckup such as this for your 21st. ",
"Tree's really got ya by the balls there",
"She wanted you to fall and break both arms. Then she would have helped."
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In 2011 I got stuck in a tree, instead of helping me, my mom took a picture.
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"Not that bad, no peeling skin",
"Looks like Nightwing's symbol from Batman",
"...anymore. It was real bad before the first photo. I wasn’t able to get any great photos before the first one due to travel but there was plenty of skin peeling off",
"/u/comaga, thank you for your submission. Unfortunately, it has been removed for violating the following rule(s):\n\n* Rule I - No pictures with added/superimposed digital elements.\n\n\n\nFor information regarding this and similar issues please see the [rules](https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/about/rules/) and [title guidelines](/r/pics/w/titles). If you have any questions, please feel free to [message the moderators.](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose?to=/r/pics&subject=Question regarding the removal of this submission by /u/comaga&message=I have a question regarding the removal of this [submission.](https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/7s453d/severe_sunburn_healing_progression/?context=10\\))"
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Severe sunburn healing progression
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/r/pics/comments/7s48f8/io_transiting_jupiter_captured_by_the_cassini/
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"The only reason I want to live a few hundred years longer is so I can kick it on a spaceship and see this shit firsthand. ",
"I’m just gonna save this because this gives me an idea for a photosgop",
"Gosh, I'd love to see a rendering of the Io skyline. ",
"Cool; looks like the cover for Iain M Banks' [The Algebraist](https://images.gr-assets.com/books/1327905456l/567798.jpg)\n\nHuh, it *is* that pic, isn't it...",
"Isn't Io always transiting Jupiter?",
"https://www.pcgamesn.com/sites/default/files/Destiny%202%20Io_0.png\n\nFrom Destiny 2. Say whatever about the game, it's awfully pretty.",
"ALL THESE WORLDS ARE YOURS – EXCEPT EUROPA.\nATTEMPT NO LANDINGS THERE.",
"From a certain point of view. - Obi-Wan Kenobi."
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Io transiting Jupiter, captured by the Cassini probe.
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[
"Congrats bro",
"Sorry your post keeps getting deleted. But scrolling past it again inspired me to leave you some praise. Congrats!",
"Good for you bro!!",
"Thanks ",
"i think rule #1 is why? great job on the loss ",
"So happy for your loss.",
"Great job!!",
"You *should* be happy with your body and your hard work! You might get a better response in /r/ProgressPics though.",
"There will never come a day where you wish you didnt do this. Huge success!! Life long pride worthy!!",
"Thanks",
"Yeah I have posted there it has done very well"
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My post keeps getting deleted fml.After a year and half of dedication I can finally be happy with my life and body as a whole.
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"That's an utterly fantastic picture. Great work. ",
"Thanks a bunch!",
"the lighting in that picture is amazing."
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According to the locals, it snows rarely in the Lake District. So, of course, we take a self-portrait to capture this wonderful memory.
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"Which airline ?",
"Eva Air and freaking cheap. 11.5 USD for 3 hours unlimited and I have also made FaceTime calls. Its pretty amazing!!",
"That’s cool I think I’ve only heard of Norwegian to have it in Europe. ",
"This is on a flight from Singapore to Taipei. When I booked I was quite dismayed at ot being a code share with Eva Air instead of Singapore Airlines. But it hasn’t instead turned to being a amazing flight with a good, clean, comfortable plane (economy) and WI-FI.",
"You need to qualify the brag is related to what:\n1. Being able to fly by plane (instead of taking a walk to anothe county like commoners do)\n2. Flying economy instead of latching to the wing\n3. Accessing Wi-Fi for 15$ which is a big enough amount to solve the worlds hunger problem\n\nSuggest you read the comments before jumping the gun.",
"Back when I was a kid we had to just stare out the window! ",
"Buurn. ",
"We are living in the future my friend. I love it. "
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Technology is making life so beautiful. Wifi at 30,000 feet is an absolute luxury!!
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"Brilliant young women. Hope they made out like bandits. ",
"r/trees",
"brilliant mind, thats a CEO move right there. ",
"They call me ‘Cookie duuude’",
"Get some girl scout cookies to go with your girl scout cookies!",
"Baah. Sixteen minutes too late. ",
"When I eventually travel to America I really hope it's girl scout cookie season. ",
"I'm pretty sure the Girl Scouts made a rule about this but I'm not complaining",
"Clever girl..scouts.",
"\nhttps://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/2vf9x8/girl_scout_cookies_outside_a_dispensary_mad/\n\nhttps://www.eastbayexpress.com/LegalizationNation/archives/2014/02/19/when-girl-scouts-and-medical-cannabis-collide",
"That's what we call synergy. ",
"She's going places. ",
"She's on the wrong side of the high...she needs to hit up college dorms around 10ish",
"Just a question. Do they make their own cookies and package them that well? ",
"On my way out of a Blue Jays game in Toronto I passed a girl and her dad selling girl Scout cookies. I grabbed a box and talked to the dad for a second. He said they did it every year, normally selling all her boxes she gets in about a five minute span. In the two minutes I was there they must've sold about 50 boxes. ",
"We dont really have them here are they like super taste or is it all for charity?",
"Nah dude, here she gets the 30 something stoner with disposable income. That's a market that big cookie is always after. Smart scout. ",
"fair enough",
"OP appears to be a karma-farming bot that can only copy/paste other people's stuff. The account was born on April 20, 2017 and woke up 7 hours ago.\n\nHere it copied/pasted /u/GallowBoob's submission/title from [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/2vf9x8/girl_scout_cookies_outside_a_dispensary_mad/).\n\nIts comment [after this](https://www.reddit.com/r/mildlyinteresting/comments/7s464k/this_lowercase_stop_sign/dt1wy2x/) is a copy/paste of /u/neck_crow's comment [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/mildlyinteresting/comments/5nxrwm/this_lowercase_stop_sign/).\n\nIts comment [after that](https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/7s4e3a/important_message_from_a_dad_to_society/dt1yeff/) is a copy/paste of /u/crd3635's comment [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/4gd530/important_message_from_a_dad_to_society/d2givpr/). Interesting, u/trooper5611 started that thread and is also [almost certainly](https://www.reddit.com/r/TheseFuckingAccounts/comments/7s5tg6/trooper5611_same_old_thing/) a karma-farming bot.\n\nIf you're not familiar with these types of accounts (and how they hurt reddit), [this page](https://www.reddit.com/r/quityourbullshit/comments/3jss04/meta_spammers_how_they_work_and_how_to_spot_them/) may help to explain.\n",
"[:-P](https://i.imgur.com/lVcu1Bo.png)",
"You're doing God's work, son. \n\nRES tagged and downvoted. Fuck the corporate shills that buy these accounts. ",
"GS aren't allowed to sell in unapproved areas. Before cookie sells starts, there is a sign up for locations, dates, and times on their website.\n\nIt's not like every parent out there doesn't think of this, we just would rather not get the troop expelled.",
"powerful girl ",
"I thew on a upsidedownupvote too",
"Girl scouts of today will be the CEOs of tomorrow",
"Plus, everyone has cash! This truly is brilliant. ",
"I dunno, she looks pretty judgmental. I wouldn't want to weather her derisive glare.",
"Talk about cornering the market!",
"But people don't come out of dispensaries high... Munchies happen later"
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"Important message from tumblr to somebody ",
"And I didn't think there could be a group more annoying than Mommy Bloggers. ",
"Message from tumbler you mean?",
"Semantics aren't important",
"wat",
"What kind of lame fuck would feel the need to wear this shirt, let alone a post photo of it online?",
"What if they are looking after someone else's kids? Then it's called babysitting.\n\nIt's alright - you don't have to kick me out I'm leaving of my own accord now...",
"Important message from tumblr to reddit.",
"Dad, my superman.",
"Is this the fight you’re taking up? Life must be good. ",
"Probably a dad who heard \"babysitting the kids today? Heuk heuk haheuk\" too many times",
"No see that's the point, he's declaring that the only kids he'll look after are his own. \n\nSorry sweetie, you can't have a sleepover - Daddy doesn't babysit other people's mistakes!",
"Stay at home Dads are the worst.",
"Why is reddit so butthurt over this? Who cares what it's called. ",
"It's a trick. Send no reply",
"Can you just imagine how many shit conversations this shirt would get you into? ",
"Amongst some groups, it is quite common for Dads to refer to their time with the kids (when mum is out etc.) as 'babysitting', or for it to be referred to as 'babysitting' by someone else. This T-shirt is just promoting that it isn't babysitting and the dads role is equal to the mums, for both sides. It's pro mens rights, but also pro parent, so it falls in a weird niche for most of reddit.",
"I missed the importance. ",
"Should \"\"Parenting\"\" really be in quotes? What were those dads really up to.",
"As a father of two, I'm still waiting for someone to say I'm babysitting so that I can be upset about it. I want to be offended so badly.",
"Same here! I clean up all the beer cans and pizza boxes!",
"Is it called babysitting if you sit on any baby? Or do you have to sit on someone else’s kid?",
"Yeah men have it so hard. Boo hoo",
"Is the message that he can be just as oprah-class dramatic as the stay home moms?",
"What if it's when you try to make a baby sit up that can't do that yet, like rock balancing? See how many you can put in a row?",
"ok?\n\n\ni thought this was obvoius?\n\n\ncan someone explain please?",
"Well he was doing a pretty bad job of it if he was sitting on you all the time. Couldnt he at least sit somewhere else?",
"r/cringepics",
"No, that is bad parenting. ",
"depends, is your adult child unemployed and living at home while you support them? if so that was nice 'parenting'. ",
"The winds of sanctimony blow hard with this one. ",
"The trick is to lie and be upset over nothing.",
"Not really. Typically the most caring guys you'll meet, if they are a real stay at home Dad that is.",
"Ofteb times, when a father is out and about with their child, people will comment l. They say things like, \"oh look who's babysitting, it's dad.\" Or the like. And OPs point is that it's not babysitting. It's parrenting.",
"Does it fucking matter it's just semantics? I have bigger fucks in my life to give, like what the little ~~joy~~ ~~shit~~ sprog is up to..",
"In the 2004-ish time period, every girl in the gentrifying NE Portland neighborhood I lived in suddenly turned, 'you-gotta-problem-with-that' gay. It was annoying. It was so trendy that girls who were not necessarily actually gay ... now were. Not an exaggeration. \n\nI had the idea to print t-shirts that said, 'Lesbians Are Gay'. I thought that was a million dollar idea. \n\nI guess you had to be there. ",
"You mean like every ad that has a father in it and he's incapable. Yet the wife is always clever and fixes up everything. So sick of seeing that filth. ",
"I object. It should be: It's called \"dadding\".",
"It so much easier to keep things clean when you are by yourself, too.",
"should be in italics.",
"The punctuation in this sentence gave me heart palpitations.",
"That always pissed me off. My mother-in-law would say I was babysitting all the time. I have three kids. She might have been being passive aggressive or just a bitch. ",
"When my son was like 2 months old, I told a friend I couldn't go to (something, I don't recall) because I had to stay home and babysit my son.\n\nShe lectured me like she was the angry version of my mother telling me parent's don't babysit, they \"stay home with the kids\" or \"parent\" or whatever....\n\nI've been mad about it ever since. Sorry, this phrase was not in \"what to expect when you're expecting\" (which I didn't read anyway).",
"Not like those damn fake ones.",
"Or to blow a simple mistake someone made out of proportion. Also accusing someone of being Hitler is a must. The cool way of saying your offended is to post a picture of yourself holding a piece of paper.",
"I don't understand this post. athomedad.org apparently is a network that provides support and advocacy for dads who are \"primary caregivers\" to their kids. I was thinking single dads at first, but their site has pictures of families with moms. I'm just not getting the connection between dads \"babysitting\" and any of this. ",
"I think it's more like. Often times, people on reddit write about these things. Not once have I, or any of my friends experienced this. We might be outliers though, or maybe it's an american thing?",
"We're all Hitler really, but the first one to say so loses.",
"Wipe the coke residue off the counter, delete hooker's number from call log, done!",
"thats not very equal rights of you",
"Shhh don't get your jimmies rustled there snowflake.\n\nEDIT: I love how this comment is spurring people to go into my history and downvote everything. Maximum Overrustle.\n\nEdit 2: wow he deleted his posts. He made it all political. \"librulz\" etc. Come on, own the downvotes, be a man!",
"Mom: can you look after the baby for a while?\n\nDad: nope. I'm getting a new t-shirt made. ",
"Oh man you’re doing it wrong, you make a Facebook post about this happening even though it didn’t and rake in that sweet attention ",
"Victim mentality. Grow up and be a man. Who gives a shit if they call it babysitting? Beta male",
"My brother-in-law and I did. Took the kids to a fair and a few older ladies walking by said it was nice to see Dad's babysitting for a change. And since we're grown adults we didn't feel it necessary to be offended by it.",
"And then I'll take that Facebook post, crop it, and submit it to Reddit for that sweet karma and gold.",
"Another stereotype that pisses me off is that many women expect the man to pay the meal regardless of income/job/etc.",
"Ok",
"Then I'll repost it to 20 different subreddits.",
"But decent babysitting",
"Amateur. Use a burner phone and always snort off of hookers back. ",
"I'll repost it three days later and hope for gold too!",
"The practical limit to this is 7 and a half 6 month olds of average size. After that it gets to unwieldy.",
"Yeah, society doesn't know how to just not be a dick. It has to swing the pendulum all the way to the opposite side in apology before finding its balance. Since women were so blatantly disrespected in so many things for so long, media (thinks it) has to heavily disrespect men to show that it's respecting women.",
"Not important. Its just an expression.\n\nAnd calling people out on it is just a shitty way to feel superior.",
"I'll never understand why people would give a shit about offhand remarks from strangers. They may not have meant anything negative by it, just give people the benefit of the doubt and move on.",
"Actually, I won't get the gold. You will.\n\nSuch is the life of OC.",
"I mean ones who actually play the role. Aren't just existing and boasting they are. ",
"Caring and being annoying as shit are completely independent from each other. ",
"Love to be pedantic, but I often babysit for other people, whilst parenting my own children though so that’s the multitasking myth gone too. ",
"My ex mother in law would always ask me if I could babysit my own kids so she could do something with her daughter, and it always bugged me. She would also refer to men as talking dogs, and would often have things lined up for me to do when visiting for the holidays because I am a guy. \"Hey phoenix464, you're a man...will you take this trash out for me?\" I don't have a problem with helping with shit, but I don't want to do shit for you if that's the way you want to see me. ",
"Jesus, it's dudes like this that are fucking everything up for men. Hold the line dip shits. I didn't come from a long line of lazy, philandering, absentee forefathers to have a bunch over zealous flag waving daddy do-gooders raise the standards. You are imposing on my right to game and drink, bro. Leave the mommying to the mommies.",
"You forgot, start every social media post with “LITERALLY SHAKING RIGHT NOW!”",
"Don't forget to give your cock a quick rinse of in the sink, just in case your wife does something unexpected and smells hooker on your bell end ",
"The guy who wears this must be just great to hangout with... just a real joy .",
"Ummm, I think deadbeat dads win that award. ",
"When my wife goes out of the room she comes back to beer cans and pizza boxes so I certainly prove the stereotype ",
"This attitude pisses me off to no end. A few things:\n\n1. When I have to \"babysit\" my kids, it is just an innocent saying. Chill the f out!\n\n2. Men are not evil.\n\n3. Dads generally love their children\n\n4. Most fathers are actual human beings.\n\n5. Men who wear shirts like this are generally bad people on the inside and trying to virtue signal on the outside. Something is wrong with mr \"nice guy\" here.\n\nStop this. Please. It harms children - especially little boys. If you cannot see how or why this might be true, then please for the love of humanity, do NOT have babies until you DO understand.\n\nThank you.\n\n1's",
"Mum works, dad stays home with young kids. Edit: removed unnecessary snark. Sorry about that. ",
"That's definitely something that sticks out to me in F Is For Family. Any time his wife leaves him home with the kids, he acts like it's the end of the world",
"Same with the commercial where the hotel maid takes a picture of the soccer player in his underwear who gets locked out of his room. She posts it to social media and everyone loves it. Imagine if the genders were reversed... the calls to boycott the company would be huge.",
"It is a societal issue, not an individual one.",
"Killing people with kindness? Also, caring for your children is all about caring by being as annoying as possible to them. You embarrass them for their own good.",
"This is a picture of a t-shirt. It's a little better than a picture of a sign, but not by much.",
"This guy cheats.",
"I feel like babysitting is a joke to say to the dad and people are uptight pansies needing safe space.",
"4chan is now like reddit and reddit is turning into tumblr",
"Semantics is the language of the elite and the powerful. Knowledge is power, and language delivers knowledge.",
"Well I mean look at a lot of sitcoms. The dads are normally another big kid and the mom comes off as a bitch for being no fun. Dads are our friends and moms are the parent, no one wins in that situation. ",
"Millions are fighting the big fights. Very few of fighting the small fights. Don't put down people who choose to fight for the smaller causes. A splinter seems so insignificant and tiny compared to a skinned knee. Yet, when ignored, it's more painful and causes extra problems.\n\nThe world has many splinters we choose to ignore, but some people choose to tend to those while other people choose to tend to skinned knees.",
"And you think you are an alpha male? 😂😂😂😂😂",
"thank you for wearing a shirt that announces you are a loser, saving us all the trouble of interacting with you and finding out",
"Well your'e in the right place at least.",
"As a single father I've had all sorts of problems out in public.\n\nOnce when asked if daddy was baby sitting I said yeah, for the last tear since mommy abandoned us. Which was true. But it shut the woman up ",
"Exactly. Because back in the day, women weren't even really people so much as just a flesh-and-blood housekeeping robot with a smile. To make them not lesser beings, they (supposedly) have to be amazingly superior, so now dad has to be a complete imbecile (like Homer Simpson)",
"This was a big thing at my work last week. \n\nThere is a new Dad taking a few weeks of paternity leave and the boss accidentally said Jim was off babysitting. Had people all day saying they couldn’t believe he would say that. \n\nEnglish is the bosses 2nd language and he just said the easiest thing, you don’t need to fume about it all fucking day!! You all know what he meant. ",
"And here I am patiently waiting for commercials to advertise to us, \"...fun loving dads.\" Always to fun loving moms and never a bride. ",
"Yeah, here it's exactly the opposite. I come home from a work week and my wife has only drank red wine, eaten pizza, sweets and bread for a week, sitting in a onesie.\n\nThen I clean and cook for her.",
"This drifted over into TMI.",
"oh stop with the virtue-signaling bullshit.\n\nI swear facebook dads are just as annoying and banal as the moms are.\n\n\"Omg! i totes read a completely true story on instagram about a dad being asked if he was babysitting and now im sooo mad!\"\n\nugh...just stop getting so fired up over strawmen ffs. \n\n",
"Because it HAS to be a woman that looks after the kids? Grow up.",
"Do dad's out there actually feel like they are babysitting their own kids? What a nice fella to watch the kids for that poor woman and for free! Wtf...",
"This never bothered me until I was put in a position where I am the only parent to my daughter. Now it absolutely does.",
"Modern advertising. Women are always smart and sassy and it's cool and funny when they objectify the opposite sex. Men are just simple sloppy open mouthed oafs who only care about sitting on the couch, watching sports and stuffing our faces.",
"At our house, my wife tends to watch the kids and I clean the house.\n\nOn weekends, it's pretty much all I do. It's a constant struggle to keep the toys put away, dishes done, and laundry clean. ",
"My eldest says that my wife babysits when I'm gone and that I babysit when she's gone. ",
"So how long has your wife been holding out? ",
"seriously.\n\nI bet he's one of those millennial manlets who could probably go on and on and on about all the injustices that men have to put up with...but then be speechless when reminded that most of those policies/injustices are created by men anyway.\n\nThe MRA's always seem to conveniently forget that men run the whole damn world and we basically always have",
"Never said I was but I don't Bitch when I have to watch my kids and someone says I'm babysitting. Why don't you go suck off a dalek and whilst a cyberman shits on your chest",
"You have to comb the musk out of your pubes too. If you have them anyway. ",
"> Ofteb times\n\nno sweetie...it doesnt happen nearly at all outside of fb attention whoring",
"I'm a father and I say I have to babysit pretty often. I've had people get mad at me for it, which is so annoying. \n\nI use it as a term to mean I'm in sole possession of my kid. Obviously I'm a parent regardless, but it's really awkward to say \"I gotta leave work early today because I'm parenting.\" Sure, there are lots of alternative ways to phrase that, but I just can't seem to muster up the care.\n\nI also know other men who adopt the babysit mindset. Like they don't parent unless they have to and generally don't pull their weight. They're assholes, but not because they call it babysitting.",
"I would have told her to fuck off within a year's time. ",
"sure he's not bitter at all towards women either...",
" People who are passive aggressive *are* bitches. Mystery revealed. ",
"because he's read too many bullshit stories on the internet",
"Same",
"\"YOU get to be haughtily offended!! \n\nand YOU get to be haughtily offended!!\n\nEVERYONE gets a special t-shirt and bumper sticker!!\"",
"Not a half-bad attempt at trolling. The \"manlet\" comment gave you away.",
"lol \n\nhear, fucking hear",
"But the apostrophe isn't.",
"*Slow clap*\nSomeone get this man a ribbon. He’s a hero for pointing this out!",
"Pretrigger happy?",
"I'm pretty sure this is just reddit getting upset over something that rarely even happens. How often do you think women are asked if they are babysitting for the day? It's not a big deal.",
"As a single dad who shares time with my son equally, my favorite is \"how often does he visit, every weekend\"? He's my son, not nana in the old folks home, he lives with me.",
"Or it’s just not worth the hassle of her coming home to find a mess. Lol",
"Because women legitimately used to be the ones to raise the kids while the dad worked and most advertising is aimed at 40 somethings. ",
"Come here big man, give me a hug... ",
"Yes - or throw it back at them and say \"Yes, I'm babysitting today - much easier than doing a real job...\"\n",
"Oh I feel you bro. I spend my whole spare time after work pickin up toys. Feeding everyone all whilst tryin to keep my two girls from tearing each other’s eyes out over a remote control ",
"Dad of four here. Single dad now. I've had condescending matriarchal types say to me in the grocery store *\"Oh that's so sweet! You're babysitting the kids. Giving momma a break?\"*\n\nMy ex-wife was a lifelong drug abuser who attempted suicide twice, once with the children in the house, was involuntarily committed twice, the second time because she was deemed a threat to others, and will soon (hopefully) be prosecuted for perjury. I raised our youngest from birth alone, for the past 9 years.\n\nYeah, I'm giving momma a break.\n\nedit:\n\nDownvotes? lmao.\n\nThe best part is if you point out that the mother is unworthy of the virtue-signalling reverence that society demands, you're told *\"Well you married her!\"* Hurray for infantilizing women to the point of unaccountability.",
"Shouldn't the quotes be on \"babysit\" instead? Right now the shirt looks like it's suggesting it's not real parenting.",
"This is not an important message.",
"Sounds like she was part of why she's now your ex mother in law.",
"Call me Mr. Mom one more fucking time.",
"That pretty much some up America for the past decade.",
"This sounds impossibly annoying and potentially adorable ",
"seems to be standard nowadays",
"That’s what happens when you leave the house in the care of your teenagers. ",
"I was sitting with my baby, so yes I was babysitting. Fuck off with your judgement of what I called it. I was there for my child. I can call it whatever I want.",
"It doesn't. It really doesn't matter. I suspect some of the men here have a case of \"the ovaries\" they caught from their wives. It causes them to be unnecessarily outraged by stupid shit people say. Also causes them to post publicly anytime anyone ever says something they didn't like.\n\nI'm a father of two. idgaf what you call it. If my wife is gone and I'm in sole possession of my kids then I'm babysitting, dadding, watching the kids, parenting, whatever. Who cares what someone else calls it. I don't even care if they think I'm a bad parent. My identity isn't based on strangers opinions so why care what they call the action of taking my kids to the park alone. ",
"So are plenty of women. It undermines the idea that you can have an equal, adult relationship where women can work and men can do house stuff and the world doesn't fall apart. \n\nSame with sit-coms. Guys complain that they portray men as bumbling idiots and they do...but the wife ends up being a nagging witch oftentimes. She's the fun police and he's the cool dad. And often he's an oaf who wants to sit around and watch sports all day and the wife is really attractive, funny, interesting, etc. So basically we're saying guys can literally bring nothing to the table and they can get a woman who has it all. But, how often do we see shows with overweight, oafish women who get hot dudes with personalities? ",
"https://youtu.be/YDgTRY9vGCM",
"And end up with more karma than the original post.",
"yes its very clear - he meant that men should not be actively involved with raising children and that by implication women should not be in the workplace.",
"Lol. I am a parent to an 8 month old , I still refer to myself as “babysitting” when the wife is at work and I’m off. \n\n",
"Some men get outraged when they are said to be \"babysitting\" because somehow it makes them less of a parent. Those men care too much what others think. ",
"Guess there actually aren't enough men out there doing the things that refute the stereotype to be outraged and vocal about it...",
"I agree with the sentiment but what a weird thing to put on a t-shirt",
"I think it was comedian Chad Daniels that did a bit on something like this. How he and his wife were at the mall and she asked him if he needed help buying food.",
"B A S I C",
"No one has ever said that to me, but I was at Baby's R Us and they had \"dad proof\" clothing that had arms, legs, and head holes labeled. They said dad proof on them. I don't think I get offended too easily, but seeing them labeled dad proof rustled my jimmies",
"I just hate the assumption mostly by friends that I just get to stay home all day and do nothing. Believe me 99.9% of people who say that would much rather go to work than stay home with a kid. ",
" If I'm out running errands with my daughters, I can just about guarantee that a woman will approach me to tell me how brave I am to babysit two kids at the same time. I know they mean well but I feel like it's getting harder and harder for me to maintain my composure and laugh it off. ",
"r/unethicallifeprotips",
"OP appears to be a karma-farming bot that can only copy/paste other people's stuff. \n\nHere it copied/pasted /u/carlinha1289's submission/title from [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/4gd530/important_message_from_a_dad_to_society/).\n\nIts comment [after this](https://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/7s48a4/this_ps3ps4_controller_for_fps/dt1wude/) is a copy/paste of /u/VicariouslyHuman's comment [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/6idly6/this_ps3ps4_controller_for_fps/dj5cs2o/).\n\nIts comment [after that](https://www.reddit.com/r/mildlyinteresting/comments/7s464k/this_lowercase_stop_sign/dt1wyrs/) is a copy/paste of /u/Brad-T-in's comment [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/mildlyinteresting/comments/5nxrwm/this_lowercase_stop_sign/dcf6xls/).\n\nIts submission/title [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/7s497b/when_you_forget_to_bring_your_mouthpiece_to_the/) is a copy/paste of /u/jcbc95's submission/title [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/44uhdj/when_you_forget_to_bring_your_mouthpiece_to_the/).\n\nIf you're not familiar with these types of accounts (and how they hurt reddit), [this page](https://www.reddit.com/r/quityourbullshit/comments/3jss04/meta_spammers_how_they_work_and_how_to_spot_them/) may help to explain.\n",
"Like a woman.",
"Time for a new wife. ",
"My wife and I both believe this, but she still accidentally says it. It’s so ingrained in society.",
"Send no transmissions of any kind",
"Yeah, I've said this about myself before and received a lot of flak. I used to work very long hours and never got much time with the kids where it was just them and I. When I said \"babysit\", I honestly didn't know any other word for the gravity of the situation. Every said \"its just being a dad\", but honestly, it was different than our normal interactions. I really think it highlights what my wife did with our kids when they were younger. I couldn't do what she did, no way. Everyone wants to give props to dads who are stay at home dads like it is going above and beyond, but honestly, I think that belittles what the majority of the population does day in and day out. Now that my kids are older, it seems silly I used the word \"babysat\" but at the time, I didn't know what else to call it. Mostly because I just didn't want to screw up when I had the kids to myself, so I was 100% focused on them when my wife was away, much like a babysitter. It was more like a side joke between my wife and I, but I was young and stupid.",
"Oh, I noticed. I just didn't think that prevented me from adding my comment. ",
"To be honest, I've always thought of the term 'babysitting' when referring to a parent of either gender meant when they were looking after their children solo for the expressed purposes of giving their partner a night off or so they can do something for them rather than the family",
"Wait 20 years and then lie and say that it happened to you. You could even make us a hashtag campain on social media.",
"My wife works and im mostly retired (still work a few shifts a month when I want). NOTHING gets me more bewildered looks more than when I take my baby for a walk in the park next to where we live at around 11am...... This is the sweet spot for the yoga pant latte sipping moms to get out and about to socialize, go to the gym, go to yoga, whatever. The looks they have on their faces range from confused to angry. Im just a dad raising his family but for some reason they can't process it.......Like I should be at work or something. Raising a baby IS work. ",
"If it was done on purpose it's bad parenting, if it was an accident it's called a mistake.\n\nPeople make mistakes. That's why pencils have rubbers on the other end.",
"yep- if (and I hope it never happens!) you are in court and she has paid professionals to say that you had minimal involvement with the kids and that you should have no right to see them then it will seem like a less funny joke.",
"[Don't don't](https://i.imgur.com/t6qJKJY.jpg)",
"yep- if (and I hope it never happens!) you are in court and she has paid professionals to say that you had minimal involvement with the kids and that you should have no right to see them then it will seem like a less funny joke.\n\n",
"this seems like it really didn't need to be said. but then i remembered it was probably from america. \n\ni think in Europe men are much more likely to actively be a part of their kids lives. american men leave child rearing to their wives. the idea of a \"soccer mom\" is a uniquely american phenomenon because in Europe it would be the dads on the sideline cheering on their kid. ",
"Who actually cares? I say this all the time, mainly as a joke to my Fiance. ",
"I think I was a pretty good Dad. My boys are teens now. But I was only vaguely aware of small smelly people in the house until they were old enough play rough. Many a day of \"babysitting\" where the dirty diaper was too much. Strip 'em nekkid, pack vicks vap-o-rub in my nose then go outside and spray em off with a hose pipe from a good distance back, and then let them run around in the yard like that till mom gets home. I also remember those horrible days right after they were born. We were so tired. It was horrible, could never get any sleep for having to roll over and wake her up to tell her the baby was crying.",
"It happened to me, but I couldn’t get ‘make a t-shirt about it’ mad.",
"Lol, nah.",
"Sounds like a modern-day feminist\n\nEdit: Thanks for the gold, kind stranger!",
"Well the truth is probably a lot more complicated than what one Reddit message can convey ;)",
"The worst thing about this comment is that there *really* are that kind of 'dads' around, even today.\n\n",
"What if the dad is looking after sometime else's sprogs?",
"I totally agree with this and usually don’t say daddy is babysitting. However me and my husband don’t really go out much so sometimes when one of us is out I say the other is babysitting because it feel a bit like a special occasion. ",
"I call it being \"On Duty\".\n\nWorks for mom OR dad, and it doesn't sound like you're trying too hard to make a point (eg, \"It's called PARENTING!\").",
"I’m too busy raising kids to give a fuck what someone calls it. ",
"It is still perfectly acceptable in commercial advertising to portray men as hapless idiots who can't be trusted to dress and take care of their children. In real life, I don't hear anyone actually say that their \"babysitting\" unless they're saying it facetiously",
"I wasn't joking.",
"I had to stay home with sick kids for 8 working days in a row. I danced into work! ",
"Obviously ",
"I think we've come to the point where we know who social media is an actual outlet for (well, which platforms) and to just avoid the ones that hold no value for the rest of us.\n\nI haven't logged onto facebook in like.... a year. I only use it as a messenger occasionally when the situation calls for it. People who are out there avidly posting shit about their lives with their emoji faces and ridiculousness are just going to hide in their bubbles the way they do irl.\n\nTime to move on errbody.",
"I'm 8 and this is deep.",
"we dont fucking care what you call it, as long as we can understand what you mean\n\nwe have more important shit to worry about, but this looks like the male version of a helicopter mom.",
"\"If you sexin' learn this lesson when you wash off\nJust use hot water don't put no soap on your wash cloth\nThat way when you get home no questions you won't leave her bent\nDon't be a dope and use the soap cause it will leave a scent\" - Tech N9ne",
"/r/thathappened",
"The last tear is the hardest tear ",
"You'd wait a whole year?",
"Gay",
"I really don't mean this as douchey as it sounds, so forgive me, but... how? I grew up in a big family (with some kids younger than me, so it wasn't like I missed the phase where I didn't help much or there was tons of invisible labor), and our house was always fairly tidy - we did chores on Saturday morning, but it didn't take more than 2-3 hours and then it was smooth sailing during the week. It was harder with toddlers who can't help much, but even then, it wasn't a constant weekend-long struggle to maintain the household, even with 2 parents who worked.\n\nNot sure if my folks are just amazing (or on uppers), or it was more strenuous than I'm remembering, or if modern parenting is really that demanding?",
"Right there with you man. I saw someone wearing this shirt one time and googled it because i had no idea what the fuck it meant haha. \n\nI work days and nights so i'm home with my daughter 70% of the time during the day and no one has ever made any comments about this. ",
"I've only ever heard men with wives that don't work refer to it as \"babysitting,\" personally. Where the SAHM asks the dad to take over so she can go out for a bit on the weekend - it's a self-perpetuating cycle. But when people feel the need to lecture you about misusing a word, that's supremely annoying",
"Chinese ex mother-in-law?",
"I think the worst is when a man gets a comment of \"oh it must be his weekend\" when he goes out with his kids in public without their mom. 🙄",
"Surely they had \"mom proof\" equivalent right? Right? Riiiiiight.... ",
"IIRC, though, many of the studies note that, even in really equal relationships, where both parents work, the majority of household, childcare, emotional, and invisible labor is still taken on by women? I'm not saying it's impossible, and certainly not the the fault of wo/men as a whole, but it starts with the realities of birth and breastfeeding (the Mom has to get up more frequently, the hormones that occur during childbirth, etc)",
"For one, modern parenting is a little more demanding, but I think a big part of it is that mothers have legit careers more often than they did 30 years ago. My mom worked mostly part time jobs or worked in child care so as to be around the house as much as possible. My wife, on the other hand, has a full time career in health care and works harder than I do. So we split house duties.",
"Exactly. Companies wouldn't do it if it wasn't effective. *Especially* with social media that can immediately dogpile a company with a bad or insensitive advertisement. The truth remains that, even in really equal relationships where both parents work, the majority of the household labor, and money spent, is being done by women.",
"What is this new trend of filling up /r/pics with this lowest common denominator bullshit. Feels like I'm on facebook.",
" #HeToo",
"I can see that, for sure. Yet, my Mom worked full-time, at the university in our town. I asked her about it once, about the difficulties of coming home after work/ maintaining a household/ dealing with demands and such, and she just said that \"people are like goldfish, they expand to fill the demands on them.\" \n\nI don't have kids, in part because it looks exhausting and demanding, so what do I know, but it certainly didn't seem as strenuous then as it does now",
"Yeah a big gap between the legs.. you know. Because had big baby.",
"I didn't see the snark! No worries. I guess what I'm not understanding is why the message on the shirt is crafted to come across as preachy. If either parent can afford to stay home with the kid, then that family is blessed to begin with, so why the preach? If the kid is disabled and needs extra attention, thus requiring the dad to stay home, again, why the condescending preachy tone? Whatever, I've burned far too many calories thinking about this even as little as I have. This just seems weird to me all around. Whatever this organization is trying to convey seems off to me. Big ups to all the dads who stay home. Good parents are needed everywhere, and it's way harder than some people make it look. ",
"Because we are sensible people. We realize they are just words and jokes and don’t need to get outraged. \n\n",
"lol...it never fails to trigger them\n\nMRA's/Feminists...both have just become pouty lil children with their fingers in their ears.\n\n ",
"This is why your life is better. ",
"I have 4 kids and I say babysitting all the time. Don’t give me this PC crap. (I love and take care of my kids)",
"Ah yes, a masterpiece of our time. A true sight to behold... possibly the 8th wonder of the world.",
"Father of the year material right here.",
"What if you're not looking after your own kid?! ",
"no doubt ",
"/r/nothingeverhappens",
"I got that exact comment once, and I just said \"no, they're my kids.\" I also get plenty of \"looks like you got your hands full!\" When my two kids were sitting peacefully in their stroller. ",
"Just an FYI (and because you deserve to know), the account you responded to is almost certainly a karma-farming bot that can only copy/paste other people's stuff.The account was born on March 2, 2017 and woke up 4 days ago.\n\nHere it copied/pasted /u/crd3635's comment from [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/4gd530/important_message_from_a_dad_to_society/d2gjpcd/). Interestingly, this thread was starte dby u/trooper5611, who is also [almost certainly](https://www.reddit.com/r/TheseFuckingAccounts/comments/7s5tg6/trooper5611_same_old_thing/) a karma-farming bot.\n\n[Here](https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/7s4vbo/found_hipster_repellant_at_an_asian_grocery_store/) it copied/pasted /u/Book-It's submission/title from [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/4p3p9s/found_hipster_repellant_at_an_asian_grocery_store/).\n\nIts first-person comment [before this](https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/7s4ntj/brilliant/dt1zjrg/) is a copy/paste of /u/vanquish421's comment [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/3erqfr/brilliant/cti2b9x/). Interestingly, that thread was started by u/sammyelrefee, who is also [almost certainly](https://www.reddit.com/r/TheseFuckingAccounts/comments/7s5uhh/sammyelrefee_born_on_february_26_2016_woke_up_4/) a karma-farming bot.\n\nIts submission/title [before that](https://www.reddit.com/r/BlackPeopleTwitter/comments/7s4oll/i_keepem_clean_though/) is a copy/paste of /u/cjsutherland's submission/title [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/BlackPeopleTwitter/comments/4xjgaq/i_keepem_clean_though/).\n\n\n\nIf you're not familiar with these types of accounts (and how they hurt reddit), [this page](https://www.reddit.com/r/quityourbullshit/comments/3jss04/meta_spammers_how_they_work_and_how_to_spot_them/) may help to explain.\n",
"I just want to reply with \"Oh these aren't my kids\" then press my index finger to my lips and \"shhh\" followed by the creepiest smile I can muster.",
"Good for you but you seem to have missed the point entirely.",
"That shot her down. \"Listen lady I maybe single and that might be your way of asking, but I'm not interested in starting conversation +/- a relationship, so step the fuck off!\"",
"I am a world-renown scholar and I believe it is supposed to be I am **14** and this is deep, not 8. /s\n\n/r/im14andthisisdeep ",
"Just an FYI (and because you deserve to know), the account you responded to is almost certainly a karma-farming bot that can only copy/paste other people's stuff.The account was born on March 7, 2017 and woke up 7 hours ago.\n\nHere it copied/pasted /u/MasterDoria's comment from [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/4gd530/important_message_from_a_dad_to_society/d2giddz/). Interestingly, this thread was starte dby u/trooper5611, who is also [almost certainly](https://www.reddit.com/r/TheseFuckingAccounts/comments/7s5tg6/trooper5611_same_old_thing/) a karma-farming bot.\n\nIts submission/title [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/7s4a3z/thats_a_little_extreme_simon/) is a copy/paste of /u/SheD0esntEvenGoHere's submission/title [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/388b9u/thats_a_little_extreme_simon/).\n\nIts submission/title [after that](https://www.reddit.com/r/mildlyinteresting/comments/7s4dqy/the_back_of_this_ketchup_bottle_has_a_suggestion/) is a copy/paste of /u/Big_Black_Cat's submission/title [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/mildlyinteresting/comments/4ypcek/the_back_of_this_ketchup_bottle_has_a_suggestion/).\n\nIf you're not familiar with these types of accounts (and how they hurt reddit), [this page](https://www.reddit.com/r/quityourbullshit/comments/3jss04/meta_spammers_how_they_work_and_how_to_spot_them/) may help to explain.\n",
"I call it baby sitting because it's just easier to say and everyone understands what it means.\n\n\"Parenting\" your kid could mean lots of things, baby sitting clearly means your just sitting there making sure they don't kill themselves.",
"How do you accidentally sit on a baby's face?? Unless they are put on the floor and you some fall on them... In which case I don't think that redditor would be alive today or at least be able to comprehend reddit.",
"That's a hard nope",
"Other side of the coin is the place is immaculate and they are pissed off because you did it as a passive aggressive move to make her feel bad...",
"What if you are caring for kids that aren't yours? ",
"As it turns out from this thread, many do. Maybe stop saying it to your fiance?",
"Who gives a fuck. I take my 4 kids out by myself all the time. If an old lady says, \"Looks like you're on babysitting duty today huh?\" I just say, \"Wait, I can get paid for doing this? I just assumed it was part of the whole parenting experience\"\n\nThat's literally all it takes. Stop being passive aggressive and stop being such a whiny bitch about it that you feel the only way to solve it is with a stupid shirt.",
"I don't know, I wasn't there.\n\nI'm guessing it's the same way you accidentally sit on anything. You don't see it when you go to sit down.",
"I think I'm better at cleaning because my mom was good at cleaning. I understand how to put things away quickly and I do it by breaking a room into zones. Rather than take every item where it goes I group items based on where they'll end up. So all the toys in the room go in a pile, all the clothes in another, shoes in another, trash in another. Then I take all the piles one at a time and put them away. After that's done then the room is clean and you go to the next room.\n\nThis saves a lot of times vs doing a bunch of small trips. On top of that if you do lots of small trips it's hard to see progress and you can feel overwhelmed. ",
"I've corrected a few friends when they say shit like \"Yeah, I had to watch the baby while she......\". Drives me nuts. Fathers don't \"babysit\" or \"watch\" their own kids. ",
"If you keep going through life being all reasonable like that you're never going to be able to farm fauxtrage points.",
"I call it Daddy-Duty. Is that bad ?",
"It's more like:\n\nWe protect children because we think they cannot fend for themselves.\n\nWe offer aid to certain certain places because we think they'll starve without.\n\nAdvertisers coddle women because they think...\n\nThere's some serious sexism in how ads target women. Those ads aren't offensive to men, they are offensive to women in how (in what manner) they assume they need to suck up and make them feel good to sell them stuff. \nWhich is why when I see an ad saying/implying I'm an idiot just for being a man I'm not offended. I'm apparently tough enough and sure enough in myself to shrug off such a personal attack.",
"A few weeks ago I actually heard a guy at my bar say, \"the wife's out of town so I gotta babysit\".\n\nSo fucking bizarre.",
"I think the point is that some people don't see it that way.",
"After seeing you post this type of comment multiple times in this thread, I'm beginning to think you are a karma farming bot that finds other bots and calls them out. I'm too apathetic to research and see if it's true but I won't let that stop me from believing it.",
"THIS!! I was raised by a single father when my mom left us and I remember people asking where my mom is and my dad would answer “I’m the mom”. ",
"It really irritates my wife when I talk about babysitting our son which is exactly why I do it. ",
"Lmao. Thot that was only in my home",
"That particular person is one of those that gives you the most unsolicited (and usually stupid) parenting advice. ",
"you triggered hon?",
"You sound like a pouty child.",
"I was watching some show the other day where some female character stated how men are dogs, the guy replied *\"Well if men are dogs, what does that make women?\"* To which she replied *\"Women are bitches. We like to keep it within the canine family.\"*",
"Uh yeah no. Being an involved Dad is very big in the USA. Especially with Gen X and below. The idea here is that the European style of parenting is very laid back and hands off.\n\nDads are everywhere at sports practices, to the point of even getting into fights. \"Soccer mom\" is just a cute term because soccer is fairly big with both genders of kids and moms would spend so much time taking kids to practices and have to commit so much time to soccer and \"momming\" hence soccer mom. It often breaks down more along the lines of the gender of the kids doing the activity, so you have more dance moms and wrestling dads. But you see it the other way around too.",
"yeah a bit. need a lie down..",
"> Another stereotype that pisses me off is when the wife is out of town and she comes home to empty beer cans and empty pizza boxes all over the house. Shit, when my wife comes home from a trip, my house is immaculate. I'm the clean one in my family\n\nFrom one year[ ago...](https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/4gd530/important_message_from_a_dad_to_society/d2gjpcd/) ",
"the house is never cleaner than when the wife is out of town, true story.",
"...and maybe have a little think... ",
"Cuz dads are dumb and good for nothing but paychecks and sperm, I guess.",
"Oh that's funny!!!",
"Yeah, but a bot calling out a karma whoring bot is a good bot... ",
"This isn't a splinter, though. This is absolutely nothing.",
"Good bot?",
"Plot twist...he's still married to her daughter",
"Same here. I was always the one cleaning up after my ex and her messes.",
"What’s the point of karma farming, is it worth any money?",
"Great question! In short, to get the account ready to sell. The \"[What's the Point?](https://reddit.com/r/quityourbullshit/comments/3jss04/meta_spammers_how_they_work_and_how_to_spot_them/)\" section of this page may help to explain. Also, there was a very good write up [here](https://reddit.com/r/pics/comments/3ddwow/a_cat_is_a_cat/ct4co3j).",
" \"And since we're grown adults\"\nOG right here \n",
"Except you wouldn't sit on something you know is there, and if you don't know where your baby is then you almost certainly a bad parent. Besides babies frequently make noise, so there is that. Also, I think OP was making a joke. ",
"> Edit: Thanks for the gold, kind stranger!\n\nI can't put enough airquotes around the word Stranger so I'm not even going to try.",
"My boss in grad school told my coworker that he needed to spend less time babysitting his daughter and more time at work. Because he’d “only” work in the lab 9hs a day and leave to pick up his 2 years old from daycare at 5:30. We told our boss this exact thing. Boss was a sadistic asshole,",
"when you give yourself gold, instead of letting me give you gold. SMH",
"Well that's because you were babysitting.",
"I didn’t give myself gold, but I’m not averse to letting you give me gold. ",
"It's only wrong to stereotype by gender if its a female, or lgqtbmak",
"Unlike [karma-farming bots](https://www.reddit.com/r/quityourbullshit/comments/3jss04/meta_spammers_how_they_work_and_how_to_spot_them/), you'll never see me making false claims, manipulating votes, become a shill for corporations, politicians, or virtually any special interest group, exploit reddit and redditors, encourage the selling of accounts, etc.\n",
"It felt so basic that I needed to meme but with a younger age. Please forgive me, Dr.",
"Are we not laughing?",
"I am glad you sorted this out for me. My mother-in-law is a bitch, works for me, wise one. ",
"Yeah. Unfortunately, no matter how aware that your S.O. might be to the fact that her mother has major issues with men, it's been my observation in life that the likelihood of her turning out to adopt those ideas is pretty high. I've been there too - 4 years and this amazing woman turned out to be just like her mother: deeply pessimistic about men and always the victim. You can be the best partner you can possibly be to her but it won't matter enough in the end because she will hold you to an unrealistic expectation, while examining every move you make, looking for the excuse to affirm her belief that all men are evil. ",
"good bot",
"..re-evaluate things a little bit..",
"It's almost as though taunting people with obnoxious comments incurs consequences. Don't let it *rustle your jimmies, snowflake*. Bonus for telling others to *own the downvotes* while you complain about being **downvoted**. ",
"T_D brigading my post history rustled my jimmies a little.\n\nBut I got padding so whatever.\n\nPoint is, I'm not deleting my post just because its getting downvoted.",
"Who are these shirts made towards? I’ve never met a father who doesn’t like taking care of their kid.",
"In addition to the excellent reporting and answers provided by /u/Spartan2470, karma bots like the ones he/she has outlines also exist to provide votes. If you go to one of the many shady websites where you can purchase up- or down-votes in bulk, it is karma bot accounts like these that actually do the voting.\n\nThe bots have to post/comment because Reddit's voting mechanics take into consideration account activity - if the account just sat idle then the votes wouldn't register.",
"I think of it differently. If you call me cunt, the n-word, or really anything I’m not going to care. I’m just going to go on with my life. \n\nMy privilege is not giving a shit when people are awful. \n\n ",
"> You sound like a pouty child.\n\n*he said obliviously whilst smugly adjusting his dunce cap...*\n",
"Single parents are both Mom and Dad, I agree with your father. ",
"Jesus, give us the cliffnotes version. ",
">Whilst\n\nEw.",
"Babysitting is when someone who is not normally responsible for the children has them placed in their care.\n\nI've known men who refer to parenting their kids as babysitting. Invariably it's men who see child care as the mothers job and taking responsibility for their kids as a chore.\n\nI'm a single dad, taking care of my kid is not babysitting. It's what I'm doing if I'm not at work.",
"\n \nsorry...some of us like reading.",
"Well I'm assuming you're only seeing this person on holidays or at most once a month. Now, if it was a \"Marie from Everybody Loves Raymond\" scenario, we'd have to move that timetable way up. ",
"Nope. ",
"> it seems silly I used the word \"babysat\" but at the time, I didn't know what else to call it.\n\nI just call it being \"On Duty\".",
"This is the horrid truth. Dispicable double standards",
"does it though? ",
"If you trivialized a woman's actions for performing a role that was traditionally done by a man you would be considered an asshole. Why is this any different. It boggles my mind that the vast majority of effort is being spent solving the problem of gender inequality by focusing solely on getting more women to perform traditional male jobs. When the reverse happens and a man performs a traditionally female job or god forbid, stays at home to raise the kids then they are fair game for sexist stereotypes. \n\nI'm not saying it happens all the time but in the spirit of equality can we treat all discrimination equally?",
"Because nothing is being trivialized. Its just an expression. \n\nYou can make it about gender inequality and/or discrimination, but you're just bringing your own baggage into what is simply a difference in semantics. \n\nWhen someone says \"sitting the kids\", whether its their own or someone elses, you know what the fuck theyre talking about. Dont be a dick.",
"I'm not being a dick, no one ever calls what a mother does \"babysitting\", I understand that people most likely make this statement not out of malice but out of complacency. Correcting those people doesn't make you (or me) a dick. \n\n",
"Yeah, it kinda does.",
"I go with a full 'Silkwood' shower just in case there is stripper glitter on my junk.",
"Don't care ",
"I don't know where you got \"minimal involvement\" from. We are with the kids all the time, together. It was just rare that it was only me, instead of her or her mother or my mother at the house. Tables turned once they got in school. Now I'm with them 3+ hours alone after school so you can keep your sad story to yourself.",
"That would of been better. Figuring this out about 3 years too late.",
"I'm not talking about your child-rearing arrangements I'm talking about using the word \"babysit\". Perhaps your wife will divorce you (you don't know) and if so, perhaps she will pay a lawyer to say that you yourself referred to your role as \"babysitter\". For what its worth (not that it should be relevant!) I am a 22 yr old woman with no children, but I can see the problem with using the word 'babysitter'.",
"Ooooooooh"
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"Wow. That’s a big horn. ",
"Where’s this?",
"Gibbs Farm in New Zealand",
"Those horny New Zealanders",
"At first, I thought this was some Monty Python photo. This would scare the bejebus out of me if I saw it IRL. And I don't have that much bejebus left...",
"So...is this used to amplify sound for some reason, or gather/focus wind for a turbine? Or something entirely different?",
"Nope, it's just an art installation",
"Can you go inside?",
"Yup. It's surreal and really comfy to lie down on"
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Dismemberment by Anish Kapoor. That's me on the bottom left in pink flamingo shorts for scale.
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"Can you share the story? ",
"Dad has prostate cancer. He Seems to be doing well and caught it pretty early. I think since like 7 years ago? Maybe more I can’t remember but it’s hard for him especially with the hot flushes from treatment. Poor guys face goes really red and hot.\n\nLittle sister got crazy bad into hardcore drugs. But she’s clean many years now and is working overseas in the UK as a paramedic. She’s a real inspiration.\n\nMy younger bro on the left .... seems pretty good. Solid job and no real big issues.\n\nI’m a train wreck on the verge of suicide due to many health reasons.\n\nMum is a real champion holding the family together but she’s getting old and tired nowadays.",
"Sure",
"There is a way through for you. Don't give up!"
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Old family photo before our lives became so complicated
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[
"Has it never snowed there before?",
"Yeah! I meant the first snowfall this winter. Should've specified, sorry!",
"And how's Tokyo handling it?",
"Or Godzilla came.",
"Surprisingly well! Train lines are experiencing delays, but still running AFAIK. My company stopped production at 16:00 today and made everyone leave so we could get home before the rush. As I traveled home I noticed retail stores were closing early, too! ",
"eeeeeeeyy!\nhttps://giphy.com/gifs/funny-mr-bean-MZ9nZGQn1nqBG\n"
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It finally snowed in Tokyo.
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"True.",
"I can buy literally all of that except for hope",
"yes but these things are awesome",
"A lot of the time rich people just have more responsibilities. Being rich doesn't automatically equate to having a happy life.",
"Say that to bill gates",
"Cringy",
"Except there's a fair chance this is a picture from someone's whimsical etsy shop",
"I would say health and time."
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Things we can't Buy
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"I'd like to believe that the two goodbyes went and got their human to \"come see this shit!\" At least, that's what the looks on their faces tells me.",
"Stuff happens... ",
"Like uhoh... you gonna be in trouble. ",
"NOPE.\n\nI will continue to enjoy my childless life, thank you very much.",
"Ha my son did the same thing. Woke up to him having covered the living room in chocolate syrup. Luckily the couch was blue microfibre and the carpet multicoloured brown....so none of the stains showed..... Gosh looks like white furniture is probably not going to hide it as well "
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"Some pics from Nakameguro https://twitter.com/telestasis/status/955354911092367360",
"It's snowing on Mt. Fuji",
"Beautiful.",
"Japan is really popular on this site, I notice. ",
"Is it unusual for it to be snowing in Japan?",
"Snows about once every other year in Tokyo. Not uncommon but not a regular occurrence either.",
"It's raining in Iowa.",
"regular occurrence ≠ common?",
"*Uncommon",
"Surprisingly, Japan has an incredible amount of snowy areas, mostly in the Tohoku region. Four out of the ten cities that get the most snowfall per year are located there in fact. In Tokyo, it's a little bit more rare, though. ",
"Not uncommon really. We bounce back and forth all the time.",
"snowing love it ",
"Strange to be carrying umbrellas in the snow. You don't see that in the US.",
"It's not so uncommon to snow in Tokyo.",
"I could be back there playing in the snow but I am here melting in Australia... "
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It's snowing in Tokyo
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[
"Brilliant idea, love it",
"[Here is our guide on how to deal with shitposts](http://gfycat.com/LiquidComfortableHorsemouse)\n\n*I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/pics) if you have any questions or concerns.*",
"yeah, what is this, an advertisement for ants? wait",
"Put that shit on the tower of Pisa for some real exposure. ",
"They were planning on somebody seeing it and posting it on reddit. That, or they just posted it here themselves. ",
"It's Awesome",
"I know what you mean. Bad movie, but we still watched it all the way thru :/",
"I'm gonna go with the latter",
"And the fucking tank keychain. ",
"ENHANCE. ",
"Because they just posted it to reddit to make sure people saw it.",
"Lmfao",
"They plastered them all over the internet\n\nAs with mods ads, that got a lot more views than anything put up in person ",
"Yes.",
"A little trail of skittles and crack should get the Redditors right to it. ",
"Why is this not a witty political sign at protest I don't care about?",
"Yea, that was the unbelievable part.",
"The universe needs to maintain consistency within itself. This would be like watching Flash normally run at super speed without issues, but when the plot calls for it he suddenly gets burned by all the air friction. Belief can be suspended as long as the rules of the universe are unambiguous.",
"Possible perfect product placement?",
"Or if the Flash were sometimes able to catch a bullet in mid-air, and sometimes could barely keep up with a motorcycle.",
"Precisely. If you're watching something that expects a base level of belief suspension, you can't really act surprised if they sprinkle a little more into the mix.",
"I'm still upset by the physics of this movie.",
"OP appears to be a karma-farming bot that can only copy/paste other people's stuff. The account was born on February 26, 2016 and woke up 4 hours ago.\n\nHere it copied/pasted /u/XiKiilzziX's submission/title from [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/3erqfr/brilliant/).\n\nIts comment [after this](https://www.reddit.com/r/mildlyinteresting/comments/7s4dqy/the_back_of_this_ketchup_bottle_has_a_suggestion/dt1ysxz/) (with the many fake edit) is a copy/paste of /u/gregnuttle's quadruple gilded comment [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/mildlyinteresting/comments/4ypcek/the_back_of_this_ketchup_bottle_has_a_suggestion/d6pflyu/).\n\nIts submission/title [after that](https://www.reddit.com/r/BlackPeopleTwitter/comments/7s4prd/i_will_follow_you_to_the_end_of_the_earth/) is a copy/paste of /u/Boba_F37T's submission/title [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/BlackPeopleTwitter/comments/3k48se/i_will_follow_you_to_the_end_of_the_earth/).\n\nIts submission/title [after that](https://www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/7s4row/wonder_woman_has_big_boob_problems/) is a copy/paste of /u/poopsmith666's submission/title [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/3eiats/wonder_woman_has_big_boob_problems/). \n\nIf you're not familiar with these types of accounts (and how they hurt reddit), [this page](https://www.reddit.com/r/quityourbullshit/comments/3jss04/meta_spammers_how_they_work_and_how_to_spot_them/) may help to explain.",
"It annoyed me a lot in The Flash tvshow that it shows he either has super-reflexes or perceives time as moving slower all the time. Somehow he gets punched in the face by humans without super speed or super reflexes. ",
"So smart",
"I can't believe so many people don't know how to spell yeah.",
"Or it would be like Quicksilver being able to watch a bullet slowly pass by his face after being shot, showing the bullet at an easily dodge-able speed, but when the plot calls for it he can't avoid getting hit by like 2 dozen of them he definitely saw coming... ",
"But does he know he's a bot?!",
"Listen man sometimes I can haul three blocks after the ice cream truck and catch it and sometimes just going upstairs to get a sweater is too hard and I'd rather freeze to death. You're not always 100% all the time so maybe we cut the Flash a break huh?",
"BrilliANT",
"And be sure to watch *Ant Man and the Wasp* coming soon to a theater near you!",
"Maybe that's just his fetish. ",
"And really, isn't that the real crime here?",
"But we’ve all seen it. This is the advertising, not the thing itself. ",
"Literally all they had to do was not include the \"mass stays the same\" part. That's all. Or even just say in a quick techno blabble \"the tech allows the user to manage mass during the shrinking and growing process.\" But even if they didn't say it, at least the viewer would have the option to interpret it however they wanted, instead of actually stating the rule then repeatedly breaking it.",
"Wait- if Antman maintains his mass when he shrinks, shouldn’t he maintain his mass when he grows making him unreasonably weak? ",
"Just an FYI (and because you deserve to know), the account you responded to is almost certainly a karma-farming bot that can only copy/paste other people's stuff. The account was born on March 2, 2017 and woke up 4 days ago.\n\n\n\nHere it copied/pasted /u/vanquish421's comment [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/3erqfr/brilliant/cti2b9x/). Interestingly, this thread was started by u/sammyelrefee, who is also [almost certainly](https://www.reddit.com/r/TheseFuckingAccounts/comments/7s5uhh/sammyelrefee_born_on_february_26_2016_woke_up_4/) a karma-farming bot.\n\nIts submission/title [before that](https://www.reddit.com/r/BlackPeopleTwitter/comments/7s4oll/i_keepem_clean_though/) is a copy/paste of /u/cjsutherland's submission/title [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/BlackPeopleTwitter/comments/4xjgaq/i_keepem_clean_though/).\n\nIts comment [before that](https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/7s4e3a/important_message_from_a_dad_to_society/dt1ylu8/) is a copy/paste of /u/crd3635's comment [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/4gd530/important_message_from_a_dad_to_society/d2gjpcd/). Interestingly, that thread was starte dby u/trooper5611, who is also [almost certainly](https://www.reddit.com/r/TheseFuckingAccounts/comments/7s5tg6/trooper5611_same_old_thing/) a karma-farming bot.\n\n[Here](https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/7s4vbo/found_hipster_repellant_at_an_asian_grocery_store/) it copied/pasted /u/Book-It's submission/title from [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/4p3p9s/found_hipster_repellant_at_an_asian_grocery_store/).\n\nIf you're not familiar with these types of accounts (and how they hurt reddit), [this page](https://www.reddit.com/r/quityourbullshit/comments/3jss04/meta_spammers_how_they_work_and_how_to_spot_them/) may help to explain.",
"What the fuck, the two top comments in this thread are copy pasted from your first thread link. ",
"The only thing better than Rudd in Civil War was Spidey. Can’t wait to see Ant-Man’s role in Infinity War!!",
"I literally said \"oh cool!\" then zoomed in to the little figures and realized it was ant man. Took those words right back ",
"Likely repost bot.\n\nAnyone seeking more info might also check here:\n\ntitle | points | age | /r/ | comnts\n:--|:--|:--|:--|:--\n[Brilliant.](http://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/6lrls1/brilliant/) | 989 | 6^mos | pics | 19\n[Brilliant \\[X-post from r/pics\\]](http://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/comments/3esn8u/brilliant_xpost_from_rpics/) | 405 | 2^yrs | interestingasfuck | 7\n[Brilliant.](http://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/3erqfr/brilliant/) | 4943 | 2^yrs | pics | 293\n\n*[Source: karmadecay](http://karmadecay.com/r/pics/comments/7s4ntj/brilliant/)*",
"Haven't seen it yet in this thread, so:\n\nThese figures were made by London artist Slinkachu, who has been making miniature street art since 2006. In more recent years he's done the occasional commission work for marketing purposes, such as with Marvel. However, most of his street miniatures are independently done. Here's some examples of his work around London and other cities:\n\nhttps://i.imgur.com/L1GKn6F.jpg\nhttps://i.imgur.com/YXecAo9.jpg\nhttps://i.imgur.com/t9s91EF.jpg\nhttps://i.imgur.com/ml1VlVZ.jpg\nhttps://i.imgur.com/0pxfmKs.jpg\nhttps://i.imgur.com/PMcank9.jpg\nhttps://i.imgur.com/hNiK4s1.jpg\nhttps://i.imgur.com/F93IrIt.jpg\n\n\nMore of his wonderful stuff can be found on his [webpage](https://slinkachu.com)\n\nEdit: \n\nIn Slinkachu’s own words:\n\n> “I really like the idea that you can be trundling to work one day and find some uncommissioned outdoor art, something on the floor or pasted on a wall. I prefer work that isn’t thrust in your face. There is a high chance that my installations may never be found. My scenes are made with tiny models and left hidden away on city streets, so they may be lost. But that’s what I like about them. I look at my installations as small slices of drama from everyday life. People are lonely and intimidated by big city life. Their world is full of dangerous things at 1: 87 scale\n\nA lot more photos of his work [here](http://streetartlondon.co.uk/blog/2011/02/11/slinkachu-little-people-city/)\n\nEdit 2: Added a few more photos from imgur",
"Just an FYI (and because you deserve to know), the account I'm responding to is almost certainly a karma-farming bot that can only read/interpret other people's stuff. Theaccount was born on May 12, 2012 and keeps others woke.",
"Hey mollie are you a bot? You sure seem like a bot! I don’t like this guys...",
"This Reddit post is the advertisement, genius.",
"Wait - you are a bot too? Who do I trust? Aagghhh",
"Just an FYI (and because you deserve to know), the account you responded to is almost certainly a karma-farming bot that can only copy/paste other people's stuff. The accont was born on Sept 16, 2017 and wokd up 21 days ago.\n\nHere it copied/pasted /u/SovietWarfare's comment from [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/3erqfr/brilliant/cthyyfl/).\n\nIt ssubmission/title [after this](https://www.reddit.com/r/mildlyinteresting/comments/7s4uxv/this_bird_we_sell_resembles_donald_trump/) is a copy/paste of /u/ltnite's submission/title [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/mildlyinteresting/comments/59xv86/this_bird_we_sell_resembles_donald_trump/).\n\nIts submission/title [after that](https://www.reddit.com/r/oddlysatisfying/comments/7s4y97/the_way_these_mirror_heads_are_packaged/) is a copy/paste of /u/veeveemarie's submission/ttle [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/oddlysatisfying/comments/2wjs5v/the_way_these_mirror_heads_are_packaged/).\n\nIf you're not familiar with these types of accounts (and how they hurt reddit), [this page](https://www.reddit.com/r/quityourbullshit/comments/3jss04/meta_spammers_how_they_work_and_how_to_spot_them/) may help to explain.\n",
"Ah, so the robot wars have begun.",
"ha ha omg really powerful:)",
"Reddit really should have a stricter policy against bots, spammers and reposters seriously. They are ruining a tons of subs.",
"Wait, Reddit is a crack smoking demographic? TIL...",
"They didn't say the thing about being able to manipulate mass with the gear? It's a standard excuse for Ant-Man/Atom stuff in the comics.\n\nThere was a character who couldn't do it, the young \"Mass-Master\" (he thought up the name himself and was ten years old) of POWER PACK. When he shrank he was mr. dense Ken doll, when he grew he became a literal cloud. Or alternately, when he got dense he became small, when he got diffuse he became large. The power could be interpreted either way because the effects were tied together 100%.",
"I haven't figured out the Reddit demographic. Still experimenting. ",
"Good bot. ",
"It's pretty bad. It's a word we all say and read every day and so many people are just unable to grasp it.",
"Bots should go under a function approval. If Reddit deems it shitty, nuke it. ",
"Reddit police?",
"!isabot u/sammyelrefee",
"dont think about it",
"Everyone on Reddit is a bot except you",
"Everyone on reddit is a bot except you.",
"Everyone on Reddit is a bot except you",
"Pym particles I don't have to explain shit",
"I actually have an book full of these"
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Brilliant.
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"Looks like the first Jaws",
"It's photoshop and fake. ",
"I must go now my planet needs me.",
"Also super-fake.",
"When your bud gets ready for the greatest chest bump of all time.",
"Totally photoshopped picture I've seen this pic earlier also"
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Super Shark. Incredible photo.
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"Holy shit. ",
"Hell looks like same",
"Was there a storm in the area as the volcano erupted? Seems like a lot of lightening.",
"amazing ",
"Yes it's so scary",
"https://i.imgur.com/4d9oSrK.gif",
"Back at it again",
"Bless you.",
"Holy moly where is this?!",
"No. The lightning is generated by the plume of ash itself. All of the ash is violently rubbed together, generating electricity, and thus causing the lightning you see.",
"haha",
"\"I'm here to fuck shit up.\" - that volcano, probably. "
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Volcanic Thunderstorm
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"This was on the front page like 6 hours ago",
"No you didn't, and no they didn't.\n\nhttps://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/7s0skj/in_1980_i_got_my_head_stuck_in_a_fence_and\n\nIt's like the top post right now. You didn't even bother changing the title. F-.",
"Hold this \"L\""
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In 1980 I got my head stuck in a fence and instead of helping me my parents took this photo.
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"A second image amongst the trees: https://i.imgur.com/6nQd8u3.jpg",
"Where in SD is this?",
"According to this, it's 5 miles SW of Deadwood/Lead one mile south of Deer Mountain Road on US85.\n\nhttps://www.roadsideamerica.com/story/9789",
"The Heads of State Monument.",
"This place needs some hippies, weed and drum circles. ",
"Should move them to Mt Rushmore and put them all down around the parking lot area.",
"Why does one of the president's look like it had his head bashed in by the BFG?",
"There were 2 of these parks, one in SD run by the sculptor and one in VA run by some entrepreneur.",
"Summer 2018: meet you there :-D",
"So, they went bust?",
"There's a similar one in Virginia! Creeped me out as a child was not surprised to find they went under ",
"I'm from South Dakota and I didn't know about this! Wish I still didn't, to be honest. Creepy as fuck.",
"I bet as this gains publicity, some groups going to head over there to make a muck since it's all old white men.",
"How is this not the top comment?",
"RemindMe! Summer 2018\n",
"Creepy af",
"Reminds me of 'Statue', the map from *GoldenEye*. ",
"It is",
"Now I'm imagining the doom marine blasting the statues with the BFG9000.",
"Is the Obama one black?",
"But how was it not at some point? ",
"How can we see if our eyes are mirrors?"
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Heads of Presidents Park in South Dakota, abandoned in 2010
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"Beautiful ",
"Beautiful setting. But I'll bet that water is colder than a well-diggers ankle.",
"Well we never found out, although we wanted to. Because it's an isolated ecosystem, you weren't allowed to enter the water and they definitely didn't want you touching it.",
"Lol @ 'the most difficult hike [you have] ever done' because this is a short walk up metal railed stairs... You need to exercise and/or hike more.",
"Also keep in mind that I live at 682' above sea level and made this hike to 7200' without acclimating to the elevation difference. Keep trying though. ;o)",
"https://imgur.com/a/FXBDK\n\nI'm from Texas and made it without any acclimatizing either... Glad you feel good about your abilities though :)",
"Same reason why they don't allow dogs "
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Hanging Lake in Colorado: The most difficult hike I've ever done, but the end destination was extremely satisfying!
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"It's a [Sundog.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_dog?wprov=sfla1)",
"Thank you! I was wondering what it was and tried to search it up. Very cool, I have never actually seen one. ",
"It must be really cold where you are, generally those only come out in extreme cold weather. Great photo",
"Yes, it’s actually -10 celsius (14 degrees Fahrenheit)!Thank you! "
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Saw this today. Cool!
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"Can someone translate the sign?",
"But why vaccinate when you can be a selfish piece of shit and rely on herd immunity?",
"The sign says translated from Danish 'In memory of teacher L.H Larsen and wife Emilie's five kids who died of Diphtheria in 1903.'",
"All these kids died of diphtheria, a bacterial disease that kills no fucking one today thanks to vaccines.",
"But kids with vaccination get fidget spinners!\n\n",
"And the award of non existent reading comprehension goes to...",
"They all died within 4 days.",
"Can you even imagine what that would be like as a parent? Losing 5 babies in a week? I don't think I could go on after that.",
"Because it didn't exist yet back then...",
"For now .\n\ngive it few years , after few cases of kids dying from it or it coming back stronger then ever and killing few thousands..people will start reconsidering .\n\nuntil we'll hit somekind of virus that will grow on unvaccinated child and evolve to bypass the vacinnes on others , having the black plague on modern day density of cities will be.. interesting to say the least. \n\n(Imagine black plague in China or India) ",
"Ehm, I don't think you understand the issue. I don't think you understand why people don't get vaccinated. It's not because they are lazy or don't care. It's because they don't believe in it or think it's bad. ",
"I think (hope) they were using this example for the people now-a days...",
"You forgot the \\s tag. May the force be with you.",
"My kids will need study participants for their future endeavors, yours will do nicely.",
"What a shitty weekend",
"Except for the 15 kids in Bangladesh refugee camps.\n\nStill a good point though, nobody should die of Diphtheria anymore because there is a vaccine available.\nAlso worth mentioning that Diphtheria is usually very responsive to antibiotics if caught early enough, obviously not an option in 1903.",
"For those of us who, thanks to vaccines, [aren't even sure what diphtheria is](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diphtheria):\n \n> Symptoms often come on fairly gradually, beginning with a sore throat and fever. In severe cases, a grey or white patch develops in the throat. This can block the airway and create a barking cough as in croup. The neck may swell in part due to enlarged lymph nodes.",
"That's an austism reference. Not sure if you're kidding or nor, but you're not wrong. One of my neighbor's grandkids was diagnosed with autism within a year of getting some shots. That's one of literally millions of cases in the US alone. You have to be pretty naive to not think there's a connection between the rise in autism and vaccinations.",
"I dunno about vaccination. A former Playmate of the Year thinks it unwise to vaccinate. She has written many books (but hasn't read any) so I think that qualifies her to advise the masses. /s",
"A) joke to autism\n\nB) only kids that are alive get fidget spinners.",
">having the black plague on modern day density of cities will be.. interesting to say the least.\n\nLike Ebola in Western Africa a while back?",
"You are right, non-vaccinated and non-treated people can still die of Diphtheria. Your addition about the treatment is great, thank you!",
"Kids were vaccinated decades ago, this autism/vaccination stuff is very recent. \n\nThe kid probably already had Autism and was just diagnosed later in life. \n\nAnd even then if there would be some kind of connection, still better to have a kid with autism than having to watch 5 of your children die (like in this post).",
"Still better than having a kid with autism!\n\n\\- Anti vaxxers probably. ",
"Or, and I'm just spitballing here, there wasn't any correlation at all. My grandmother passed away from cancer within a year of buying a new bed, do you think the bed gave her cancer? Better not buy any new beds!",
"Joke to austism? I think you mean joke ABOUT autism. Best brush up on your English, bub.",
"I can’t tell if you’re being sarcastic or genuinely stupid.",
"Thanks. ",
"Just thinking about it makes my heart hurt. I’m feeling enormously grateful that we can prevent diphtheria, and I definitely don’t know how to bring that up to my coworkers",
"Because herd immunity prevents things like this. Their perceived risk from not vaccinating is much lower because the herd seems healthy.",
"You do know that for most \"simple\" viruses (not viruses that attack your immune system), we can easily make a vaccin? Just ruin the \"genes\" inside, but keep the case, so your body will recognize the case and be able to quickly dispatch it when you get infected with a healthy/intact virus.\n\nSo when a virus has changed, we can probably prevent an outright plague.\n\nBacteria evolving are way more scary, though. We'll need to keep finding new antibiotics if we can't ensure that antibiotics are used safely worldwide.",
"I read this as \"vacation\" for so long and was trying to figure out how they died from a lack of vacations. ",
"Imagine the same ebola in place like india or China where the population is much more dense.\n\nAnd ofc china shipping and producing so many things , very high chances of spreading it .\n\nspreading from africa is much harder.\n",
"That's just not how this works. Don't buy into the ill supported lies\n",
"Aaaaaand it's not even remotely possible that this kid could have had autism beforehand, without a diagnosis?",
"translation:\n\nto remind of teacher L H larsen and housewife emilies 5 children who died of diphtery in 1903\n\nunder the inscriptions: jesus stays with me",
"Not just babies, some of them were teenagers already. ",
"That's as logical as suggesting that autism is caused by children's birthday parties. Because the kid had a birthday within a year of the autism diagnosis too. \n\nKids get their vaccinations as, well, kids. From 8 weeks old to 5 years they're pretty regular. That's also the time at which autism would make itself known, because that's the time at which children are developing social skills, and interacting with other kids, which allows the parents to notice differences. \n\nCorrelation doesn't mean causation. Large studies (and by that I mean fucking huge- [this study](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1124634/) looked at virtually every child born in Denmark from January 1991 to December 1998- over half a million kids) have shown absolutely no link between autism and vaccines. \n\nThere is an increased rate of autism diagnosis. We don't know why- part of it is due to better detection, that's for certain, but the thing we know it definitely *isn't* is vaccination. To continue pretending and wasting time means we're not finding out what actually is behind this increase, and kids are dying as a result of not being vaccinated. ",
"It was different then, everybody knew these things could happen. This is a terrible blow, definitely, they already had one child die 9 years before.\n\nBut three children survived and they actually had a total of 16 children! 8 survived to adulthood.\n\nhttps://www.stoltze-saltoft.dk/getperson.php?personID=I501050&tree=1",
"Anti-vaxxers aren't causing superbugs, if that's what you're confounding.",
"What tells you it was diphtheria?",
"2 26 year olds and 1 19 year old. Grown ass adults dying of communicable fever. This isn't babies; this is what a pandemic looks like.\n\nEDIT: I saw f. 19 and f. 26 written on the left, assumed it meant sex and age, and didn't bother reading the rest of their actual fucking birth-dates. Oops. Pretty big fuck-up, that, I'll admit it.\n\nGonna leave it for posterity's sake though. Please have a laugh on me if you find it as amusing as I have. :p",
"Same. I thought \"wasn't an option\" like it was mandatory. I thought it was some Donner party style retreat. ",
"In that case , why do we care?\n\nLet the people who refuse vaccinate kill themselves.\nits a perfect example of darwins law , the stupid die off.\n\nLet the mothers who refuse to vaccinate watch their children die slowly in agony, and hopefully infect them as well.\n \nIf they cannot hurt normal people in anyway , no one should care.\n\n",
"TL;DR, because they are morons.",
"Herd Immunity.\n\nThere are some out there that cannot be vaccinated, and thus rely on everyone else to be vaccinated to prevent the spreading of these diseases.",
"You may want to check out the number of vaccines given ‘decades ago’ v now, as well as the corresponding rates of autism. It’s dumb to take a side on any issue when you don’t know the facts.",
"Those also fall under the darwins law .\n\nThe weak are culled.\nthe planet is overpopulated , millions of people cannot eat.\n\nI know this is the truth people dont want to face , but we are destroying the planet .\n\nby protecting the weak at this moment everyone else will be hurt in 50-100 years .\n\n",
"> So when a virus has changed, we can probably prevent an outright plague.\n\nYou might want to read up on how straight-up terrible we are at making effective flu vaccines. Sure, certain diseases we can vaccinate against very effectively, but other types that evolve very quickly or have multiple strains (a la influenza) are almost impossible to vaccinate against effectively.",
"I'd be with you on this but anti-vaxxers pose a threat to people who aren't conspiracy nuts but are unable to be vaccinated.",
"Um the oldest one was 15...\n\n1888- 1903 = 15 years old.",
"The same reason we also care that the children of uneducated parents go to school. Children have rights, even if their parents deny them.\n\nAdditionally, unvaccinated children spread disease to those who cannot yet be vaccinated, such as newborns.",
"Dude. Do you even math?",
"I believe you'll find out if you read every word in the picture.",
"> . You have to be pretty naive to not think there's a connection between the rise in autism and vaccinations.\n\nYou have to be pretty fucking stupid to think there is.",
"Herd immunity is a great answer. Then there's the other side of the child not being old enough to make the decision themselves, and therefore it's not fair for them to suffer/die because of some stupid decision of their parents.\n\nGenerally, you don't own your own children in western society. You get to make decisions for them as long as you are acting in their best interest. Not vaccinating is arguable not in their best interest.",
"By this logic, why have medical care at all?",
"Correlation =/= Causation",
"> why do we care?\n\nBecause there are certain kinds of people who *can't* be vaccinated. Either they are babies (my daughter couldn't even begin her vaccination schedule for a couple of months after birth), or they have a compromised immune system. If some unvaccinated dipshit contracts the measles and then comes into contact with a baby with an undeveloped immune system or an immunodeficient adult, that second person has a very high likelyhood of dying.\n\nGo read up on \"herd immunity,\" then go berate your local anti vaxxer. It needs to be socially unacceptable to be that stupid and reckless. ",
"Can you imagine what those poor poor parents had to go through, watching 5 of their children die in 4 days time, and there was nothing they could do.\n\nThank god for vaccination.\n\nEdit: dont get your knickers in a bunch it's just an expression.",
"My purpose is only to bring conflict and spark discussion :) .\n\n",
"Medical professionals, what do they know? /s",
"The VVitch does a phenomenal job portraying a fairly similar situation, albeit under different circumstances. There's true anguish there.",
"I can’t even imagine what it would be like to lose one baby ever.",
"You're really kicking off your cakeday with a bang, eh?\n\nSavage.",
"that sign says all of that? those scandis are pretty good at brevity but pretty bad at breiviks ",
"Well done.",
"It worked ..",
"Where do you buy your fedoras? ",
"Why would I have a hat",
"Lol it’s not even correct. It’s 5 days but I was too lazy to edit it.",
"Imagine all of the diseases you would bring back to earth if you vacationed in heaven",
"That ebola strain wasnt even that virulent, they have poor sanitary conditions that helped it spread. A plague would be much worse.",
"I hated accurate math so much I became a statistician. ",
"You must not work for the same company I do! *They're killin' us Jerry, KILLIN' us!*\n",
"Small sign on the left.",
"They still would have been their babies. Regardless of how old they were. ",
"Already half a day past by over here!",
"That's a shitty purpose. But hey, shit carries all sorts of diseases so that should make you happy. :-)",
"Dont be posting your pro vaccine crap here....do some research. You have no evidence diphtheria killed those kids.... for all you know it could have been measles. Waken up drones.\n\nAlso today I learned that its *diftheria* and not *diptheria*.\n\nEdit 2.....apparently I should have made it more aware that I was being sarcastic.",
"Luckily in the UK we've just developed a flu vaccine that protects based on the essential genetic markers of all flu variants. According to the news reports it should be ready to go public in a few years. That'll be nice then, no more flu! Let's hope it passes all the tests.",
"If God wants to take my kids, who am I to argue with the all powerful? Then I want to ask, why did God allow man to make vaccines?",
"Reminds me of the Bronte family. ",
"Show me a peer reviewed and verified study showing how one correlates to the other please. ",
"That does not even make sense .\nbut i bet you are proud of it .\n",
"To Madagascar we go!",
"Define \"baby\"",
"We need to stop being democratic about vaccinations in this country. We need to stop telling stupid people that they can do dangerous and irresponsible things because they think they have a right to. This isnt about freedom or rights, this is about safeguarding lives. The science is clear as day on this one, so can we please follow the example of other first world countries and just make vaccinations mandated by law? Let all the anti-vaxxers go kicking and screaming through the whole thing, after about 5 years pass they will silently realize they were wrong, everything is fine, and they have nothing to worry about. They won't ever admit it, nor will they thank us for saving who knows how many of their desecendants' lives, but I'll settle for just having the diseases eradicated if it's the same to every one else.",
"Fair.",
"Diagnostics efficiency, funding and scale obviously also change with time. ~~Correlation does not equal causation~~ wait actually I have the diagnosis and was vaccinated as a child, 1000% confirmed",
"Already closed.",
">It's not because they are lazy or don't care. It's because they don't believe in it or think it's bad. \n\n...and are too too lazy or don't care enough to educate themselves properly. ",
"This joke is much darker considering recent events.",
"\"Dont be posting\" and then proceeds to correct someone elses spelling. Too bad there isn't a legal vaccination vs stupidity.",
"They became child free in four days with this one simple trick. Doctors hate them. ",
"Wait, first one died on day 3, then 4 days passed and the last one died. So it went 4 days between the first one and the last one. ",
"3, 4, 5, 6, 7\n\nI counted the first day",
"That’s only 50%. ",
"In many ways it was a great thing for population control. ",
"15 \n\n13\n\n6\n\n4\n\n2",
"Thank you for this post. I’m a mother of a grown son with a diagnosis of autism and I’ve been saying the things you posted for so many years that I’m exhausted by it. Thanks for giving me a break today!! \n\nI have to do it, anyway: VACCINES DO NOT CAUSE AUTISM. Get your kids vaccinated appropriately. Just do it and don’t be a douche.",
"I guess it depends on how you define the question. Both 4 and 5 can be right. ",
"/r/frisson",
"[\"Healthy young child goes to doctor, gets pumped with massive shot of many vaccines, doesn't feel good and changes - AUTISM. Many such cases!\"](https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/449525268529815552?lang=en)\n\n- Donald Trump",
"No one has said people were lazy as a reason for not vaccinating. ",
"I'm 23 my mum still calls me the baby. ",
"You don't even need to go back that far. My grandmother (in her 80s) had a brother who died aged ~2 from whooping cough. It was pretty normal back then.",
"New zealand?",
"My grandmother had 12 siblings total, of which 5 survived into adulthood. I'm sure it was devastating, but it was more or less expected. It's one reason why people had so many children, to increase the chances that some might survive.",
"Brutal. And they had to carry on, caring for their other children.",
"*To the memory of teacher L.H. Larsen and wife Emily's five children who died of diphtheria.*",
"This happened in my family, 1881, lost all 3 kids to diphtheria in 10 days. Parents (my great-grandparents) had 9 more after that.\n\nHere’s a photo of my great grandparents and nine of the ten born after 1881. My grandmother was Caroline, bottom right. Photo ca. 1910\n\nhttps://www.wikitree.com/photo.php/c/c2/Livdahl-1.jpg\n\nEdit: added photo, updated count of kids",
"Never heard he was an anti vaxxer but I’m honestly not surprised. God he’s so fucking stupid",
"It was normal then. My grandad was one of 11, born between 1892 and 1911. I think 6 made it to adulthood, 5 died; maybe the other way around. And then they had two world wars thrown in. In our family's case, most of them survived those.",
"Most, if not all the folks im around regularly, who had their flu shot, all got the flu.\n\nI've not had one for at least 5yrs that I can remember. I'm sure I'm running on borrowed time as I'm bound to catch it sooner or later. But DAMN man, how shite must they feel?",
"I take it birth control wasn't a thing either.",
"If you do genealogy, you know that the 1900 & 1910 U.S. censuses had columns for \"Children Born\" & \"Children Living.\" Seeing listings like \"10/7\" or \"5/3\" was almost the standard, but \"10/4\" wasn't that uncommon. I've visited several of my ancestors' burial plots that seemed filled with small children -- especially around the dates of yellow fever epidemics. I know of a couple of cases where their burial records showed three or four family members being interred within a couple of weeks.\n\nIt used to be said, among women, in the late 19th century, that \"You aren't really a mother until you've lost a child.\"",
"Wouldn't have believed that level of stupidity, but then I clicked...\n\nThe comments are absolute verbal diarrhea, though, so it seems he's not alone.",
"In this case, no, the Diptheria vaccine didn’t exist until the 20’s, but when it came out and spread the disease basically ceased to be. It’s a warning to remember what things could be like without vaccines.",
"The small plaque reads:\n\nIn memory of teacher L.H. Larsen and his wife Emilie's five children who died of diphtheria in 1903.",
"I'm assuming he thought the day they were born was their age at death without reading the actual dates. ",
"It was a sarcastic joke at the expense of anti vaxers but maybe it just didnt work. Now that I have replied to you please show me were i corrected anyones spelling.",
"Luckily we’re getting better at predicting these strains, it’s just that some flu seasons the predictions deviate from the simulations being ran.\n\n\n",
"Thank god for science.",
"no this is what happened to the larsen family and their shitty genes\n>4th try's a charm\n\n-the larsen family, probably\n\nedit: hahahahahaha\n\nreal talk though how does a top level comment even get downvoted this much? doesn't it just collapse and get sent to the bottom where noone sees it? there's a fucking conspiracy going on here you god damn robots\n\nalso i'm not anti-vax you tools. the larsen family was just weak.",
"Yup. Judging from my family history that's about average.",
"Lol my sarcasm radar must have been off. Keep on keeping on..",
"Hahahaha, fuck. Saw the f. 19 and f. 26 on the left and never thought to check what followed it.\n\nYeah, that was a cock-up and a half. :p",
"This is also why the average age at time of death was so low in those days. It's not that people just up and died at 45. People often lived to a ripe old age, so long as they survived childhood.",
"Show me were I corrected someones spelling please.",
"My brother is autistic, and even though I know there are some worse than others, I couldn't imagine him different then he is now. Yes he has his quirks, but that's just who he his; hell, everyone has their own little quirks of weirdness, so I see it as the same for him.",
"In 2015 I worked as a GIS summer student and my main job was to go to cemeteries within the county, take pictures of the stones, and then digitize the correct location of the stone in a geographic information system. I saw a few thousand gravestones that summer, and family die-offs of all the children were actually fairly common. There were also a lot of mothers who died in child birth and then the baby died like 5 days later, presumably due to starvation. This stopped being common post WW1 from what I remember seeing. ",
"Please look up Dr Andrew Wakefield, the doctor who’s study tied autism to vaccines. More specifically, look up his current status and why he is no longer a doctor.",
"And it wasn't just fragile babies, the eldest there was 15",
"Do they know things? Let's find out.",
"It says: \"In memory of teacher L. H. Larsen and wife Emilie's five children that died of diphtheria in 1903\" ",
"Except not really because it just made people have 10 kids to compensate? If you want people to have fewer children then [education is a large part of the answer.](http://blogs.worldbank.org/health/female-education-and-childbearing-closer-look-data)",
"To display sarcasm through written text you need to put a little more effort into it. Use a period (.) instead of an ellipsis (...). Also, try not to use more than three periods in your ellipsis. We're on /r/pics, not /r/oldpeoplefacebook. You can, however, use twice as many exclamation marks (!) when trying to display sarcasm. For example:\n\n>You have no evidence diphtheria killed those kids.... for all you know it could have been measles. Waken up drones.\n\nvs.\n\n>You have no evidence diphtheria killed those kids. For all you know it could have been measles! Wake(n) up drones!!!\n\nPersonally I would have used the more common \"Wake up sheeple!!1!\"\n\nBut ultimately, when in doubt, just place a \"/s\" after your sentence. The s stands for sarcasm.",
"That's what happened this year, they picked the wrong strain so the numbers I've heard from people in the medical field (not doctors, but they work for a large hospital in my area so still get the info) this years vaccine is about 30% effective.",
"This also increases the chances of someone in the family getting a deadly virus and spreading it.",
"It says difteritis in the black sign on the left. Besides, this is in Denmark, and that Breivik motherfucker is from Norway.",
"I've had all my vaccinations and don't have autism. Literally one of billions!",
"It just becomes part of life and how things are. It's hard to understand when we live in a society where that is rare (though with anti-vaxxers and other anti-sciience types getting big, maybe it makes a come back.)\n\nSeveral of my friends parents were doctors who would serve 1-2 year missions in remote, very poor areas. Death was very common. They said it was culturally jarring to watch people basically just accept it and keep working, because that was the way life was.",
"Fucking ouch",
"All I’ve been hearing this is year is that the flu vaccine is a very good match. Last year’s was less effective.",
"You forgot your /s",
"Start sharing Reddit posts with them, including this one.",
"according to the wikipedia, 2100 people died from this in 2015..\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diphtheria",
"I would have thought all that would have been obvious. Since I don't care about up or down votes one way or the other, I will leave it as it is. Thanks for your time though.",
"WTF.",
"Not really.\n\nOver the course of five days.\n\nFour days after the first death.\n\nIn five days.",
"Man that movie is so amazing and so frustrating. \"We've had good luck with four kids, it was about time one of them was going to die.\" GEE I WONDER WHY YOUR WIFE IS NUTS",
"There wasn't birth control, but there was adult control.",
"Nah, just someone who lives really fast",
"Not really. If they all died within one day, you wouldn't say \"they died within zero days\"",
"We don't think they're lazy or don't care. We just think they're stupid. Which they are.",
"I require gluten-free cupcakes, soy milk, organic berries, etc. for my kids.. but don't you dare ask what's in a vaccine, you piece of crap! ",
"Honest to god, I read \"This is what happened when vacation wasn't an option.\" And I became so immensely confused. \n\nUpon rereading the title everything made more sense, and I realized how serious this is.",
"Better blame others, God's mercy, Star Trek New Generation, Star Wars Episode 8, or vax companies , than your own genes. Sometimes I wander whether freedom of speech is a good thing\n",
"I bet he got vaccinated as a kid. And he turned out OK /s",
"They didn't get the flu.\n\nWell, I shouldn't say didn't. It's highly unlikely they all got the flu. They probably got a mixture of bad colds and gastro which people frequently describe as being the flu, but are not the flu. \n\nConsider that in Canada, in the last four months of last year there were 10336 cases of the flu. That's 0.03% of the population. Those numbers are going to be pretty consistent over most developed countries. Thus it's pretty unlikely that all your friends who had a flu shot got the flu. It's pretty unlikely that even one of them got the flu to be honest.\n\nUnless all your friends are old. The 65+ age group has a much higher incidence of the flu to the tune of .08%. Still not super likely, mind you, but much more likely than if you're the stereotypical Reddit user....\n\n",
"Plot change, the mother ate her babies",
"Yes but they don't even believe in herd immunity. They don't even believe that polio and other diseases are bad for you. They believe that it's bad not to let the body fight the disease, that we in the end get weaker. They don't understand that vaccination is the body fighting the disease, except for the fact that we have \"killed\" off all the bad stuff and just tell our body \"this is an ugly mf, this one is dead but remember his face and kill everyone you see that looks like him\".\n \nThe majority of anti vaxxers are against vaccinations because they think it's bad, not because they don't have to vaccinate because everyone else does it. The ones that think \"herd immunity will save me\" is almost as stupid because herd immunity does not protect you against the disease, it prevents spread so the risk of you even getting into contact with the disease reduced, thereby the few (depending on vaccine) that don't really develop an immunity after vaccination (or can't get vaccinated) has less risk of getting exposed or transmitting it further. ",
"Hello fellow GIS user! It's always refreshing to see someone else in our field outside of /r/GIS",
"Yes, without doubt. ",
"The first documented sign of A/S/L. ",
"We're always babies to our mums 😊",
"I think that’s high, even for the time. In 1900, the infant mortality rate was about 10%. I couldn’t find the stats on child mortality rate though. \n\nMy grandfather was the second youngest of 6, born in 1916, and all of his siblings made it to adulthood. \n\nOf course, we are both just being anecdotal.",
"I'm 73. Mum still breastfeeds me. Says it ain't sore no more now that my teeth er gawn.",
"They died in the same week. Learn to read. ",
"More vaccination propaganda, yaaaay......",
"It's the reason everyone used to have big families. It was playing the odds so they might be luckily enough to see one grow up.",
"God gives the opportunity of evolving but it doesn't shove it up your throat.",
"Cake Day is not a lie",
"So it would seem. I couldn't give two fucks one way or the other. If people can't see it then i can't be arsed pointing it out. Thanks for taking the time though.",
"There is one, it's quite effective\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lethal_injection",
"Father of an autistic son here. I'd give anything for him to be normal. ",
"Funnily enough a lot of pro-choicers on here thinks that abortion is better than being born autistic. \n\nMake up your minds.",
"yea imagine Holger screaming and running around the house all day long",
"I honestly thought it said vacation at first ",
"MPWDTKDTKTLFO",
"I think even with vaccines, they wouldn’t have lived very long. Time sucked back then.",
"Okay now type them into your computer, John Locke.",
"I hated accurate statistics so much I became a machine learning specialist.",
"whats wrong with autism, its perfect for a career as an internet star like @ twitch, instagram or snapchat",
"Weren’t even all babies. 2 were teens. Sad.",
"Username checks out.",
"I was wondering what to do about the amount of uneducated people being born.",
"Same! My son has autism and, honestly, he's the most well-rounded of my kids. ",
"Those pictures on the wiki page are terrifying.",
"Levels of autism haven’t risen, we’ve just got better at diagnosing it, in the past kids weren’t diagnosed as autistic they were just labelled stupid or slow ",
"I just woke up with a sore throat this morning pls no stop reddit",
"Exactly the same for me. I have two brothers on different parts of the spectrum. They’re kind, intuitive, functioning adults. They’re wonderful.",
"Poe's Law. We all learn it some day.",
"Although I am strongly, STRONGLY pro-vaccine, I don't agree that this is the way forward. It sets a tyrannical precedent that the government can do what it likes to you so long as it's \"for your own good\". Just imagine for a second how that could be abused.\n\nThat said, it is frustrating beyond belief when people don't vaccinate their kids.",
"It annoys me that the names are not sorted to date of death",
"Not New Zealand.",
"Nobody is really anti vaxx. They're anti pharma/ lack of real oversight on their ingredients. I know reddit circle jerks hard on this subject, but the truth is that most people want to vaccinate, but big pharma sure does their best to harm the people's trust.\n\nHere it comes.",
"but the cake is... ",
"Not going to happen when the president is an anti-vaxxer.",
"This is a triumph.",
"Define \"hills you wish to die on\"",
"It's funny how it says on the sign below \"Jesus will be with me\".. does it mean God took their lives so they can be with Jesus?",
"Off topic but, what are you guys grumpy about?",
"That’s what we call a 5 piece",
"> Sometimes I wander whether freedom of speech is a good thing\n\nThe real problem is that these idiots are not battling for freedom of speech, they are trying to achieve freedom from consequences of saying idiotic shit.",
"It's not that vaccines are bad, per se, it's the *amount* of vaccines that are highly questionable. The amount of vaccines that have increased in the last few decades is **astounding.**",
"Small sign next to the gravestone says the children died of diphtheria.",
"H.I.F.",
"But make sure to give it to them in meme form as that's the only way to make them think it's real information.\n\n*If it's text in an image it must be true!*",
"How about vaccines do not cause autism? Bam! win-win!",
"On the flip side it removes republicans from the voter rolls. The anti vaxxer are redneck republicans. If they die, well it helps democrats. I am not going to beat them to force them to get vaccinated. ",
"Same logic we use for seat belt laws, child restraint laws, helmet laws. Why not for vaccines? ",
"That's why families back then were so big. You are going to lose some along the way. Harsh thinking about it in today's terms, but that is the way it was. ",
"Yea but at least none of then died with the downs!",
"On Friday, Marie (age 15) died. \nOn Saturday, Anna and Ellen (ages almost-6 and 2) died. \nOn Monday, Klara (age 4) died. \nOn Tuesday, Holger (age 12) died.",
"So your saying they think it's bad to prevent innocent children from dying to diseases like polio? ",
"May I introduce you to r/politics please, the pics sub should be one with an entertainment purpose. We KNOW that diseases kill people and the people who really really want to reject scientifical progress and knowledge certainly won't suddenly change their perspectives bc you post a picture of a grave on r/pics. Thank you and have a nice day. ",
"Sign right next to the stone says diphtheria.",
"The kid was born with autism and there is no scientific link between autism and vaccines.",
"How old is your son?",
"At the current rate of 32,000 per birth... ugh. ",
"You got lemons. I hope you can find your sugar and water.",
"Dumb as that is, it's not like he started it. Jenny McArthy was pumpinig that nonsense for years, including a 2007 appearence on Oprah where she was called a \"mother warrior\" and had her anti-vaccine book promoted. ",
"15,\n12,\n5,\n4,\n2\nTwo of them didn't make it to their birthdays that year",
"Glad Gary survived.",
"Ha, me too. ",
"He's big on alternative medicine. At this point I'm not even surprised. ",
"I recently discovered friends are anti vaxxers. I don't know what to do :(",
"It's past noon in Europe, which is technically half of a day.",
"Me too! It's too late for us",
"That’s awful \n\nEDIT: I find it interesting who everyone thinks I’m referring to. For the record, I think the Father wanting normalcy for their kid (especially if they were low functioning) is a realistic response to the situation. I thought the replying comment was awful.",
"Holy shit.... I didn't even notice that until your comment.",
"I read something or saw something recently, maybe Adam Ruins everything, about how parents back then didn’t have the same love for their children as today. Almost that unconditional parental love is a social construct. ",
"You're replying to a comment which asks what the *sign* says, not what the tombstone says. The *sign* says that the children all died to diphtheria - not a 'horse cart wreck'.\n\nAnd the tombstone says 'Jesus stays with me', not 'Jesus stay with me'.",
"can highly recommend Netflix`s \"Atypical\" on this topic. \n\nedit: I m not generally talking about the wholesome story about this boy finding a girl. I think it depicts the struggles of parents in such a situation and also his sister very well.",
"Owie",
"Something something autism.",
"honestly I'm autistic and with every vaccine I get not only do I spite the idiots who don't understand herd immunity, according to them I might like.... get a lot of EXP for my Autism skill branch. Like some sort of Super Autism™. Unless the vaccines cancel each other out. \n\nShit.\n\nEdit: whoa, thanks for the gold - that's wild!",
"close enough.... right? ",
"I find it utterly incredible that some parents are willing to allow their kids to be at a very real risk from horrendous diseases like diphtheria which vaccines have a have proven track record in combating because of an unproven (as in lacking any evidence at all) link to a much less destructive and tragic disease like autism which AFAIK even anti vaccers admit there is a miniscule chance in contracting, certainly a lot smaller than a child contracting and dying from a preventable disease if vaccinations were stopped. It is straight up child abuse.",
"Not autistic, in the guy you’re responding tos definition ",
"You'd be surprised how fucking dumb the vast majority of humanity is, unless you've worked customer service. :D",
"Just a question from a foregein, is really \"normal\" what we see about people in us that unlike vaccines.( I'm Brazilian And people here \"love\" vaccines, think we see some more people getting sick with Crazy desseases)",
"What's normal?",
"I wish people would stop saying this, because it implies that MAYBE, there just MIGHT be a link between vaccinations and autism.",
"It's called high infant mortality.",
"I read vacation at first and I stared at the pic for a good couple minutes trying to figure it out. I’m a smart dude",
"I feel this way many days too. \n\nSometimes I see beauty in the way he sees the world though. \n\nIt's a daily struggle. I feel you. Stay strong and reach out if you want to chat. ",
"Man, I totally misread the caption\n🤦♀️ \nI thought it said “ this is what happened when vacation wasn’t an option",
"The great epidemic of 1903",
"This grave stone is new. So this fasmilies story is likely known. Anyone have a link to the details?",
"His post history indicates that his son bites and was violent to the point that he was expelled from kindergarten. It's not really unreasonable to call that \"not normal\".",
"babies?",
"Oh God, this made me cry. :( ",
"If only there was a way you both could have been saved without ever having to suffer ",
"Thank you, it's good to know that they weren't alone in their old age.",
"It's coming back to this because hipster toolbags think vaccinations are evil.",
"15, 13, 6, 4, 2",
"Sometimes I to wander weather freedom of speech is a good thing",
"Oh look, ANOTHER sign at the top of r/pics.",
"I've never heard anyone say that in my life. Better than life threatening diseases, possibly.\n\nAnd avoiding bringing a life into the world when you cannot give them medical care they need is almost the opposite of choosing to deny them that medical care after they're already here.",
">Also worth mentioning that Diphtheria is usually very responsive to antibiotics if caught early enough, obviously not an option in 1903.\n\nSo it's almost like it's just kind of fucked up to spin a completely unrelated situation involving the tombstone of an entire family of children to push an agenda on the internet. Pretty sure these people weren't anti-vaxxers getting their just desserts here.",
"Having 11 diptherias is really bad luck.",
"If you did have your DPT vaccine as a kid, are you immunized to diphtheria for life? I know that tetanus (the T in that acronym) requires boosters if you're exposed to it after 10 years.",
"You from Denmark? ",
"That's a distinction without difference. Either way, they're harmful idiots who endanger others with their stupidity and arrogance.",
"Vaccinate your kids if you want. Don’t force your will on others. That is immoral and a nap violation and really makes you an all around shitty person. ",
"\"Better have some more, with some spares as well, just in case\" \n\n\\- your ancestors probably\n",
"and now that it's an option, people still choose not to vaccinate their kids.",
"Babies that were 15, 13, 6, 4, 2 years old",
"> It's one reason why people had so many children\n\nI think once you hit 12, lack of contraception probably also played it's fair part.",
"Sad truth",
"Can anyone tell me what happened exactly? I get that it’s all deaths, but like how?",
"There’s a tiny cemetery near my grandmother’s lake house in bumfuck nowhere Texas with a group of graves that were all overgrown when I found them two years ago. It’s a family of eight from the late 1800s, six kids and the parents. When the father was 37 years old something happened that wiped out his entire family in the span of 9 days. He lived for another 19 years after that, apparently alone as there isn’t another grave site for a second wife anywhere nearby.\n\nBreaks my heart every time I think about it. I try to go by the cemetery and clean up the graves every now and then.",
"You're not alone. And you don't have to hate yourself for thinking that way. \n\nMy daughter is high-functioning, but we still have the same fights all the time because she can't connect action and consequence. ",
"> Parents (my great-grandparents) had 10 more after that.\n\nDear god",
"Happy Cake Day!",
"They also probably had super shitty nutrition ",
"[Here](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DGeH4m3XkAAP9Nv.jpg:large) is a higher resolution and less cropped version of this image. [Here](https://twitter.com/ulrikgerdes/status/893832547423137792) *appears* to be the source. \n\nPer Google Translate:\n\n> Ulrik Gerdes \n@ulrikgerdes\n\n> A tragic reminder from 1903 to anti-vaccination people in 2017 :: Five siblings who died of diphtheria in 4 days\n\n> 6:54 AM - 5 Aug 2017 from Hedensted, Danmark\n\nAnd if anyone has anti-vax friends, please have them watch [Penn and Teller on Vaccinations](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfdZTZQvuCo).",
"The heavier sides of the spectrum make your life into a prison as a parent and I can fully understand why anyone would rather not go through it at all. It’s hard thing to say, but it’s the truth sometimes ",
"Exactly, I hate anti-vaxxers... As someone who is immunocompromised, they actually pose a health risk to me because I cannot get vaccinated for a bunch of things. ",
"I have *3* siblings more successful than me, thank you very much. ",
"I thought the same, but they are sorted by age - oldest first.",
"really they had the opposite, a massive infant mortality rate that encouraged more kids so at least some will make it.",
"10 more kids, or 10 more days to live?",
"I've had a sore throat and small fever for 3 days, how dead am I?",
"I feel like this must be a fairly common emotion for a parent in your position. You love your son, I'm sure, and there's nothing wrong with wishing he had less barriers in front of him.\n\nHope you have a good day.",
"Written in a language he likely doesn't speak.\n",
"You're not the brightest tool in the shed.",
"I laughed.",
"Your son IS normal. Sadly, you don't accept him for who he is, and because of that, you aren't giving him what he needs. Shame on you.",
"Nor was contraception",
"The island will send us a sign.",
"There was a cholera epidemic from about 1831-1845 in Poland, and in my great-grandmother’s parish and the surrounding parishes, hundreds of children died. An entire generation was wiped out. One family lost six children - only one survived. \n\nA quick edit: Sometimes multiple children or family members would be named in a single death record, because it was easier than writing a record for every death. Other times you see just a succession of records and you can tell, based on the witnesses, that the disease was transmitted from neighbor to neighbor, from family to family. My family only lost one child who was an adult already, but they weren’t particularly prolific.",
"I sincerely doubt they would have partied like it’s 1899.",
"Maybe his kid has a less mild form of autism. ",
"It killed 2100 in 2015, 4100 were diagnosed. They thought my wife had it and were in America. Vaccines help a lot, but, they aren’t always accurate. Last year in South America over 60% of the people who got the flu vaccine still got the flu. Science does their best to predict which flu will spread where, and dish out vaccines accordingly, however if they don’t predict the right flu in said area. The vaccine is literally pointless. Facts from STUFF YOU SHOULD KNOW PODCAST\n\nEdit: word",
"As do most people nowadays ",
"This is a really shitty gimmick account. I didn't know you could catch autism from your parents",
"You misspelled “education”",
"Because seat belts don't inject things into your body. I'm pro vaccine but fuck the Government trying to force them. I'd rather Liberty over Security.",
"What does that even mean?",
"F",
"LPT don't google disease names",
"That's a bit half full thinking. Look 50% made it!",
"I started reading the stone on the left as 'today I learned'..... is this the point of no return?",
"Are you fucking kidding me? How do people still think vaccines are dangerous? You fucking people are so beyond saving. ",
"Sorry for your loss.",
"Currently in bed all weekend dying of flu. Please let this be a thing, I'd rather never experience this bug again.",
"Wow, I was looking at (what I though were) the ages... didn't notice the dates.\n\nEdit: thought the \"d. #\" part were ages, didn't even pay attention to the dates. Incredibly sad.",
"Yeah, please don't ever ever let him know you feel that way. ",
"That kid is highly functioning, basically just a normal kid with issues. ",
"Abortion is 100% the cure for autism in babies. ",
"I first read it As \"when vacation isn't an option\" so that was a fun 60 seconds of trying to figure out what the hell your point was. Now that I know it says vaccination, very sad.",
"Youre patient zero",
"I thought it said vacation. I was really shocked before I came to the realization that it was *vaccination*",
"They died of diphtheria. Genes have nothing to do with it. ",
"That may not be the worst thing about that movement, but it is **definitely** the most insulting.",
"He cant but he can show you where you were an idiot: your entire comment.",
"Erm, highest rates of unvaccinated kids are places like Austin and Cali..... not exactly blood red strongholds.",
"Different times. I'm not saying it wasn't hard, but part of why they had much more children is because of the high death-rate of children.",
"On July 3rd they lost their 15 year old daughter. The next day they lost their six year old and two year old. Two days later, they lost their four year old. Finally, the day after that, they lost their 13 year old son. What agony. ",
"Or to understand why he would like for him and his son to NOT have to struggle with it. ",
"I explore abandoned cemeteries here in the Midwest and see this all the time. I've also done some back history on some of the local stories for our library. In one case, a man in the 1880s lost his wife and baby within a week (childbirth I assume). He then remarried a few years later and the same thing happened. Both are buried near each other. He then remarried and had a long life with wife number 3, yet they lost their son to the flu in WWI.",
"Fuck you.",
"2100 people died of diphtheria in 2015. ",
"vaccination should be mandatory\n\n\"...muh freedoms!\"\n\n...i don't think freedom from responsibility is a thing\n\nyou can do anything you want in life *as long as you don't hurt someone else*\n\nas soon as your behavior has the real potential to harm or even kill others, you're not exercising your freedom, you're just a dangerous and irresponsible douchebag *destroying freedom* (other people's freedom to live, freedom from disease)\n\n1. irresponsible moron's understanding of freedom: \"i can do whatever i want, damn the consequences\"\n\n2. responsible people's genuine understanding of freedom: \"i can do whatever i want as long as i don't hurt anyone else\"\n\nwithout responsibility there is no freedom\n",
"I mean he seems to be a fan of a lot of alternative things in general",
"I think the feelings here are going to vary drastically depending on where they land on the spectrum.",
"Damn, and i thought my week was bad...",
"F",
">The comments are absolute verbal diarrhea, though, so it seems he's not alone.\n\nYou should see his speech about babies being born out of their mothers wombs \"in the ninth month\" ",
"\"Super shitty nutrition\" nice pun",
"Ken?",
"They all won the Palme d'Or 1903?",
"4 8 15 16 23 42\n\nExecute",
"Ok, I’m going to go out on a limb here and say the president of the United States should be held to a higher standard than an entertainer best known for not wearing a bra in the nineties. ",
"Anti-vax stupidity is remarkably bipartisan. There are folks on the left and right who believe this crap. Plus political affiliation is not genetic. The people getting hurt here are not political, they are children, often under age 10.",
"Wanna talk about the shit they add to it now? \n\n\nEdit: LOL - rip Karma ",
"Why did you do that internship? Did you enjoy it?",
"That’s only 50% still",
"At first glance, I thought this was a protest group.",
" the creator of Mario and Zelda shigeru Miyamoto is autistic",
"Something that conforms to a standard, what's expected, something average. ",
"Why do people continue to act like there is definitive proof that Vaccinations cause Autism? \nI am a father of an child with Autism, and three without. They were all vaccinated- NONE of them died of diptheria, small pox, the flu, or a cold! I would not change my son with Autism for anything. He's unique and without the evils of this world.",
"Makes me so incredibly thankful for vaccines. Hell, as a small child I got all my vaccines either free or so cheap that my mother who could barely afford to feed us at the time could even afford them. So thankful for that. It makes me cringe to know that some people are so brainwashed that they'll refuse them and risk that hell on their children. Take a look at some less fortunate places in the world where they still don't have access to some vaccinations and you'll see the trail of tears left. Keep up the great work scientists and medical professionals. ",
"Kept reading it as \"vacation\" instead of \"vaccination\". I am dumb.",
"I got my kids vaccinated but 100% disagree with you. ",
"They are just another type of alternative facts of course.",
"Thank goodness for small mercies. Let's hope he sticks to his convictions when he's got inactivity-acquired pneumonia. ",
"I love my autistic son more than words can say. He's perfect. Yeah, he's an asshole sometimes and he doesn't listen and he was terrible as a small child, but in the end, I have accepted him for who he is and I would never change a single thing about him. As he nears adulthood (this week!) I am thankful for his kindness, his curious mind, his love of animals and for his utter lack of giving-a-fuck what people think of him. Sometimes, I wish I could be like him. He's my hero.",
"Hey! She might make more money than me, and have a nicer home. And she might be in a happy relationship with plans to marry and have kids. And yeah, she donates to charity and volunteers for political campaigns, and I suppose that village in Haiti really appreciates her, and all.\n\nBut who does Mom call when her “Firefox doesn’t download anymore?” That’s what I thought.\n\nBy the way, I’ll be able to pay you back this Friday, sis... Mom owes me for getting that virus off her picture frame.",
"As far as I'm concerned, it still isn't an option.\n\nFuck Anti-Vaxxers.",
"Well, the under 5 mortality rate is more relevant, which is 0.2-0.5% in most western countries.",
"Where is Nanna Birk?",
"That is an extremely insensitive thing to say",
"I agree that it is not a choice they're actively making, but it is the consequence of the choice they're making.\n\nOn some level their reasoning is probably 'let someone else take care of the greater good, I don't want to risk my child'. Even if the risk were real, which is isn't, it would be incredibly selfish reasoning.",
" Wanted to downvote your previous comment..then I read this one. You make valid points that return to one of my main points, about a LOT of things: it's willful ignorance, an appaling lack of education on the subject, and a refusal to do a basic, 15 minute search on the topic to inform yourself with CREDIBLE sources. I'm sorry, but I'm always gonna take what research papers say over a video from some dumb motherfucker in his kitchen citing \"15 things they don't want you to know about vaccines!!1\".",
"Did you forget your /s?",
"I thought it was because the parents were at work all the time, so they didn't have time to save the kids.",
"I'm happy to debate civilly if you like. I'm curious to hear the opposing position. ",
"Youve had a good life though havent you",
"people who don't vaccinate their kids are often entitled pricks. several moms I knew who didn't vaccinate but kept it on the down low let their children play at other kids homes, at churches playgroups etc, around infants all without telling other parents their kids were not vaccinated. infants are too young to get certain vaccines yet these entitled moms let their kids run wild grabbing at other kids getting up in their face etc. pisses me off so much",
"Shots given ",
"And to think some parents still won't vaccinate their children...",
"no, it was because they didn't really have any kind of effective contraceptive option and they wanted to fuck more than 2-3 times in their lifetime. Having a big family was a very good side effect because in average 30% of newborns would not reach adulthood.\n\nAs soon as vaccines kicked in and 13/13 kids a family had all survived to adulthood people started searching for contraceptive option. Over the length of 3 generations in the developed countries the natality basically halved.\n\nEdit: not pulling numbers out of my ass, just do a bit of research, numbers varry a bit by country/geographical area but I'm well in the ballpark.\nEdit2: www.british-genealogy.com was one of the sites I got a lot of info from back then.\n",
"The numbers, Mason!",
"I remember hearing from my grandmother that it wasn't unusual when she was growing up for people from her mothers/grandmothers generation to have had a first family from the old country they never spoke of. As is, when her husband and four babies died in an outbreak Otilda left Norway and came to Canada to live with her brothers family, them remarried and had a second family.",
"Probably not having a medically-defined disability or disorder?",
"I wasn’t willing to risk the autism",
"Somebody coughed in Europe?\n\nWelp, time to close the border!",
"I know, how horrible that people want to save lives and stop people from dying from preventable diseases.Totally annoying right?",
"that's why people had large families in the past. Lose a few kids to disease and you still needed a bunch to work the farm. Hopefully a few would make it to adulthood. People had children for different reasons in the past as compared with modern times. ",
"Oh no. :( \n\nI just. How guys? C'mon.",
"> Also today I learned that its *diftheria* and not *diptheria*.\n\n\nI think that's what they were talking about. Also, you're kind of a cynical dick being incredibly defensive while claiming not to care. ",
"No you don't get it. Jenny Mcarthy told me they cause Autism. She is like famous and stuff so shes right. I'm going to go watch Ow my balls and drink Brawndo now.",
"The graveyard in the Church next to my house has a family grave with 7 kids from one family, all of whom died within 3 years of each other and all under the age of 7. It’s from 1870ish. Parents died years later.\n\nMakes me sad every time I cut through the graveyard to go for a walk.",
"Something that conforms to a standard, what's expected, something average. \n\nIt's pretty clear what he's asking for. ",
"That scene in \"if google wad a person\" will always make me laugh.",
">That's why families back then were so big. \n\nActually a lack of birth control is the reason families were so big. Families didn't have more kids just so they could have a spare. \n\nThey kept having kids because effective birth control was unknown.",
"*Abandon all ye hope.* ",
"I have an acquaintance on FB that occasionally posts anti-vaxx stuff. The first time I ever saw her post something, I went on a little bit of a rant. Ended it with, \"God forbid your child gets autism instead of dying.\" \n\nShe doesn't have any children. Thankfully. She deleted the whole post. Now I try and be a little more respectful, while also telling her how dumb being anti-vaxx is.",
"Cancer survival rates are up, we have treatment options for diabetes that can eliminate blindness, AIDS isn't the death sentence it was and you're telling me it's vaccination or a grave? C'mon....",
":( I have a fever of 39 and a sore throat, with white patches in the throat.. Dr. thought it's some kind of tonsillitis (ie. strep)..\n\nWill I die? (I feel like I'm dying). ",
"That and non-existent reliable birth control.",
"Andrew Wakefield started the modern anit-vaxxer movement. He published a fraudulent study saying that vaccines caused autism, after buying stock in a company that sold alternatives to the preservatives used in vaccines at the time.",
"Coincidence...? Possible biological weapons...?",
"Hahaha right there with you. ",
"I am not going to dignify this with a long-winded response that you are just going to troll, but trust me, I have been in your shoes and I have walked those miles with an autistic child. You are doing yourself and your son a disservice.",
"Fuck off. Anecdotes aren't proof of anything. \n\nThat's not how science works ",
"They all died in a matter of 4 days while ranging from 3-15 years old.. yeah the \"shitty genes\" just all stopped working at the same time.. mate at least look at the picture properly before you talk shit like this",
"Bitty?",
"Oh let me connect my data folder and hop on the GIS train!",
"Man I wish ISIS could come up with a biological attack for stupid people..",
"Nobody's blaming this family, but it's a good object lesson for the anti vaxxers about what they face by their choice.",
"And contraceptives. That woman’s poor uterus. ",
"Remove them",
"damn, foiled by those non-Scandanavians again.",
"You don't have a child with autism then. It can be completely exhausting and debilitating. Can't judge a person in that position. Some people with autism are way more extreme than others.",
"I only see five lucky children that never suffered from autism! /s",
"Trump is President, anything is possible. ",
"Just a heads up, might want to add a /s before you get a tsunami of downvotes.",
"are ya dumn or somehint",
"Aaaaand you're the worst person. I knew I shouldn't have filtered by controversial. Take my downvote",
"at least they didn't have autism.",
"Of course they don't want their child to die, but that can be the consequence. The fact is that they made that choice.",
"Dat strep throat",
"So what ended up making you autistic then? Reddit?",
"I hear you can dance your way there from Old Zealand.",
"me too. He's 15 now and awesome. very tough times as a small child, but now he gets it, and does some amazing stuff, artwork, videos, etc.",
"At a certain period of history, society practiced detachment, and knew not to emotionally invest in _babies_. I think in certain parts of the world, kids were not even named until they reached a certain age. This was part of the \"practiced detachment\" I war referring to. Honestly, this is just stuff I've heard, and I'm no expert. But it makes sense.",
"autistic here!\n\nid rather be REEEReeEEEEeeeEEEEEeeeeeeeee'ing all day then dead\n\nthanks for the vaccinations mom and dad",
"Doctors do *not* want to be forcibly administering treatments on a 'public health' logic, though. Far preferable to motivate parents to want it. ",
"Yeah, that definitely makes me dislike him.",
"Sure people with autism can still function, but that isn't even the point since the only proof there ever was that vaccines cause autism has been debunked long ago.",
"Damnit NOO they even took Holger? ",
"You sound 12",
"dude ur ded\n",
"People also died of scurvy back then, which isn't an infectious disease. If you want to see what happens when you don't vaccinate, check out the Amish.",
"I've lost one. Only description I have is \"soul-crushing\". Losing five.. Jesus.",
"fucking adopt one then. No need to destroy parenting for others",
"F",
"Nope. You want to live in society? There are costs. Public health is one of them. ",
"You said it, man.",
"How do you feel about things like seatbelt laws, prohibiting smoking in shared areas, banned substances in construction (asbestos) etc.?",
"This is what happened when vacation wasn’t an option",
"As officially stated on the NHS website. As of 2017 and 2018 you can now thank the NHS for finally removing mercury from flu vaccines.",
"2, 4, 6, 13, and 15. At first my brain wouldnt comprehend they were all lost in the same year and then it all came together in my mind and realized it was all in the same week and it hurt my heart. I wonder if any children survived from this family at all. ",
"Don't tell me what I can't do!!",
"This looks like Danish to me. ",
"Netherlands and Belgium are more dense than India and China. Western Africa is about as dense as well.\n\nAlso, shipping plastic toys doesn't increase the chances of spreading of diphtheria.",
"I believe we call that \"nature\".\n\nWatched a family of five ducks on my lake one afternoon... Something must have come along cause they freaked out... Then there were 4... Mom just kept swimming...",
"There are all degrees - know a family with two, one is extremely quirky at 14 - the other at 16 is an extreme challenge just to keep dressed and toileting in a semi-acceptable manner.",
"No, that's not the reason.\n\nLack of birth control is the reason. ",
"god hes such a dirty piece of shit. Americas great shame...",
"Probably toothpaste ",
"He is normal according to the lgbt community",
"I was highly confused on how a lack of “vacations” were killing people...",
"I just checked WedMD and it looks like you will either be fine in a few days or die by lunch time. \n\nGood luck. ",
"Just look at his comment history...",
"Why not? *G. O. N...*",
"No it doesn't, it implies that anti-vaxers think there is a link. ",
"Yeah, Oregon is a bastion of red. ",
"Press F to pay your respects to this man",
"The numbers, Mason. What do they mean?",
"My grandad had 5 brothers and sisters who lived to adulthood but 3 died as children. 2 brothers, 12 and 4 died when the tried to cross a frozen river. And their sister died an equally horrible way. She had really long hair and she got too close to an open flame on the stove. Her hair, then her nightgown caught on fire. ",
"Also, the bottom of the larger sign says \"*Jesus stays with me.*\"",
"The irony is it seems the ones with the worst grammar are also the antivaxers. I guess English causes some disease as well?",
"You're getting downvoted because your original comment is somewhat vaguely worded, but you're pretty much right. I had a heated argument about this the other day and this is exactly the shit these anti-vax people were spewing. It's not that they skip the vaccines solely because they think they're bad for you. They skip the vaccines because they don't think the diseases are that big of a risk, or they don't think you can actually contract tetanus if a wound bleeds, or they don't think chickenpox can ever be fatal, or just a number of misplaced dismissals of basic medical science. They literally didn't even acknowledge the reality or importance of herd immunity, and when I called one of them out as selfish for decreasing the effectiveness of it, she replied \"I wouldn't burn my child to keep yours warm.\" What a fucked up worldview these people hold.\n\n",
"He deleted it, what’s it say?",
"I know, but still *even if* anti-vaxxers were right (which they think they are) they admit that is is better to have a sick and dead kid than an autistic kid. \n\nUnless the anti-vaxxers also believe that vaccines don't work at all. (but I haven't paid them that much attention). ",
"July is the worst! /s",
"Thanks! ",
"I'm with you on that, I often get clumped in with the ant vaxx people, but it's big pharma I'm against on so many levels. Ultimately I think it should be the parents decision though, not the states. ",
"I noticed it as well. But if you're commemorating their deaths it just seems natural to sort by date of death and not age. Where in Denmark is this tombstone I wonder?",
"[Child mortality over time](https://ourworldindata.org/child-mortality). Over the past ~150 years, child mortality (percentage dying the first 5 years) has gone from 40% to 4% (thanks to modern medicine like the vaccines that are made by the devil)",
"How is this any different from deciding to abort a fetus with disabilities?",
"Had a dyslexic moment and read vaccination as vacation and got really confused for a good couple of seconds. ",
"At least they didn't have to live with autism\n\n\n\n^^^^/s",
"I hate to burst your bigot bubble \n \nyou do realize that Oprah put on her show one of the biggest anti-vaxxers Jenny McCarthy) known and the capital of anti-vax movement is decidedly very Democratic in voting. \n \nbtw she also gave Dr Oz fame and supported him though he too shared the stage with anti-vaxxers and did not challenge them. \n \nHell Mississippi, a decidedly red state, is considered one of the most pro vaccine states where as Oregon is the opposite. \n \nthe more you know\n \n\n",
"They might have gotten a different version of the flu. This year's vaccine protected against four strains, which is better than the usual three, but doesn't cover everything.",
"Its a context thing. When they say stupid shit, the implied message is \"I don't know but I want my opinion to matter\". Alternatively you can translate it as,\"I am a fucking idiot, please treat me as such\".\n\nWe don't live in a magical land where everyone agrees to be civil and thoughtful. We live in a land where it is far easier to be an adult child than it is to be an actual adult. ",
"At least no one died on Sunday!",
"I wonder if this could have also been prevented by anti-bacterial soap?",
"/r/incels ",
"You can't see autism in a fetus. Sorry, your point is no point actually.",
"Diphtheria ",
"It didn't get as much attention as it should have. ",
"So edgy",
"Because there is a growing number of people who choose to allow kids to not get vaccines that stop these kinds of terrible things because of a non-existent link to a condition that isn't even life threatening.",
"Our first woman (future) president thinks she is trustworthy enough to put on one of the most influential talk shows ever, so she can't be that bad. Right? \n\n\nEDIT: Sorry. I thought the /s was implied. I should have known better. 😕",
"But that is the gamble....risk death or risk autism. It is not that disingenuous to assume that assume (or make the assumption) that people willing to risk losing their child to a illness must think that is the better option than risking having autism. ",
"we need more autism frankly. without it this website would be a ghost town. ",
"Friggin empiricists. ",
"F\n\nF\n\nF\n\nF\n\nF",
"Please don't translate names",
"The point of the post is literally befpre vaccines this happened. Because vaccines it doesnt.\n\nAnd while yes antibiotics today are an option, it isnt for every disease we vaccinate for. Any virus will not be effected by antibiotics for example.\n\nAnd considering there are no negative effects of vaccination it makes sense to get kids vaccinated.",
"A single number doesn't necessarily describe the normal mortality rate for most people. The \"average person\" doesn't exist though we like to think it does. Highly abstract statistics such as this are easily skewed so it's important to look at the underlying data and subsets of data because I don't think 10% describes the whole of population very well at all.",
"If you think a child with autism is a prison, put them into the system and stop worrying. At least that way they MIGHT find someone that cares unconditionally. There's options out there other than \"Maybe everyone should go back to having deadly diseases.\"",
"Sssssss Oooooooh Ssssssssss Ahhhhhhh",
"That’s a straw man. Try again. ",
"My parents didn’t vaccinate me, or my sister. Maybe we are both at greater risk, but we’ve been very healthy and hardly get sick. Maybe that’s thanks to the bubble of vaccines, maybe that’s thanks to hygiene improving a great deal too. I see pros and cons of both sides to this day. A lot of things are kept under wraps by the medical industry that they don’t want us to know. It’s hard to take sides.",
"Not even surprised. ",
"Yep, happens in most animal species as well. ",
">\"Yeah but my kids are strong because they are vegetarian.\"\n\n-- some anti-vaccer somewhere. Probably said while smoking a vegetarian cigarette... and drink a glass of wine.\n\nEDIT: Not that I know any vegetarians that smoke around their kids but... yeah I totally know a wino vegetarian who smokes around her kids and is against vaccines.",
"Holg up, they got him too? ",
"I am so sorry. :(",
"Right, what they're actually saying is \"it's better to place at risk the lives of thousands of other people's children than to have an autistic child myself.\" Which is not even slightly better. ",
"My grandmother’s mother was #6 of 14 - 9 girls and 5 boys, born between 1903-1924. She had one set of twins; one twin died at 7 from scarlet fever, but all her other children survived until adulthood. ",
"Well yeah that’s literally why",
"Not really, they are hoping that they can find what they need so that they can successfully manage (make lemonade) the hand they have been dealt. ",
"Anakin: Well... if it works ",
"Almost like it is a highly contagious disease, right ",
"Jesus. No wonder people created religion. ",
"I don't speak Danish either, but the word \"difteritis\" sounds a lot like \"diphtheria\".",
"Says diphtheria right there on the black plaque",
"Look at their names",
"To everyone admonishing /u/throwitawaydaddy: fuck off. This isn't a matter of \"I wish he were more handsome\" or something, and it isn't selfish in the least. As a parent, you want what's best for your child, and the best most certainly isn't any form of autism. If you were having a child and you could choose whether he has autism or not, what would you choose? If you have the least bit of decency in you, you would give him a leg up in life and choose for your child *not* to have autism.\n\nPeople with deformities, such as a cleft palate, have surgeries to fix them and look more normal, not because of their parents, but because of *themselves*. If you could make the autism go away in an analogous way, why the hell wouldn't you?\n\n/rant",
"I focused on counting the ages and didn't notice they had the same last name. ",
"Fine be me, thin the weak from the heard. ",
"google herd immunity. Not vaccinating your kids puts other's in danger. In those cases forcing your will on others is perfectly acceptable.",
"Well I can’t definitively prove that it *wasn’t* the toothpaste",
"Yeah but at least they didn’t have autism!\n\n/idiot",
"Can't tell if you're being ironic or sarcastic. Or maybe both.",
"F",
"In less then a 100 years will see the same thing but with millions of names. The killer cancer the cure a simple vaccination.",
"Wife’s a pediatrician. She knows nothing. Except how to help kids not die. And many other things. ",
"The right to swing your arm ends at someone else's nose.",
"that was a shitty weekend.",
"[Stats on child mortality](https://ourworldindata.org/child-mortality). In 1900, only 63% survived past 5. ",
"To Greenland!",
"Pretty good summary, but I am grumpy for different reasons :)",
"A lot of people that get flu shots work with at risk populations like hospitals, schools, elderly so it would be skewed but not that skewed like you said. \n\nMy co workers friend was put in a medically induced coma due to the flu. If you aren’t 100% sure you have the flu you probably don’t have it. ",
"*modern times in developed countries",
"I don't want to i don't think I could lose one. The idea of my own death isn't scary at all but the thought of my loved ones dying is fucking petrifying.",
"This is a ridiculous strawman, no one is aborting babies for autism, because there’s no way to determine that with enough accuracy.\n\nYou may be confusing Down’s syndrome with autism? Do you know the difference? Serious question, unless you’re a Trump troll.",
"Oh my God, this is making me tear up. The pain their parents must have experienced defies description. ",
"I think it's an important rant. Vaccinations do not only protect people from getting a disease, they prevent that disease from spreading. Vaccinations aren't 100% effective and even after being vaccinated people can still get a disease. If a disease is allowed to spread, your kids who you responsibly got vaccinated might be at risk from playing with your acquaintances kids who weren't. If you want to protect your kids you need to really educate these dummies about how dangerous they really are.",
"To be fair, the anti-vax thinking originally was over concern about the change to thimerasol in vaccines. It was increased to extend the shelf life of vaccines to benefit the drug companies that supply it so they didn't have to take back and replace expired doses. That, coupled with the fact that several shots are given at the same time starting at 3 months, raised concerns about the amount of Mercury being injected into infants from the cocktail of injections. Then the crusaders got involved and made it about the vaccines themselves for no good reason. The solution to this is simply lower the amount of Mercury back down to a safer level. That cuts into drug company profits so screw the stupid babies.",
"The Tdap (tetanus, diptheria, acellular pertussis) vaccine should be given once as an adolescent or adult, and then a booster (Td, tetanus and diptheria) should be given every ten years after that.\n\nSource: Med student studying for boards",
"My throat",
"This is something that still occurs within some communities. There has been a public outrage in Colombia due to infant deaths caused by malnourishment in some native communities. Nevertheless the outrage has been happening mostly within people outside those communities. Some of those native parents have taken it as a normal thibg to happen and as if they could easily have another kid. It is strange, cold, stoic and somewhat reasonable.",
"Grandma Wizard Sleeve",
"Majority rule is mob rule. More people have died from the measles vaccine than people from measles. Worry about yourself. ",
"#AUTISMISANEPIDEMIC",
"Stay away from them, you never know what diseases they carry.",
"Do we know what they died of?",
"It’s nice to be able to unwind a little. Also, meal-prep.",
"seriously that show is not at all a good example of what its like living with autism.\n\nI think its actually doing a disservice to the parents of autistic kids, because they act like their lives are so difficult and she has sacrificed so much.. but they are like the most well off and entitled people...\n\nlike fuck off and show something close to being real",
"No, it's not. This family's dead children should not be dragged into dumb internet arguments about anti-vaxxing. If they *were* anti-vaxxers, there would be a point here, but as was pointed out what these children died of is very easily cured by antibiotics even if you're not vaccinated and they died in **1903**.\n\nThis whole thing is just scummy as hell. Let these children rest in peace, they had nothing to do with morally objecting to vaccinations. It's not even a real conversation, this is just blatant circlejerky karma whoring by OP, he's preaching to the choir for internet points on the backs of a whole family of dead children.",
"Abortion of any fetus is not equivalent to being born, learning about the world, meeting people, and then dying, like happens without vaccinations.",
"That and no birth control ",
"\"Jesus bliver hos mig\" ?",
"Where I live you do not get child related government benefits and you can't enrol your children at public school/kinder/most child care centres if you don't vaccine your kids. I think that approach is good as it doesn't force parents to vaccine but creates a strong incentive to do so. Vaccination rates have gone up especially since people could lose their benefits if they don't vaccinate. I had whooping cough as an adult (despite full immunisation + booster) and it was just awful - I frequently threw up often from coughing fits that I had for five months plus I fractured a rib. It was a nightmare and I was in pain the entire time from all the coughing. I can't imagine how much worse it would be for a little baby to go through and why a parent could risk that happening to their child. ",
"By Sunday, no one was left. :-(",
"Sad... some people seem to think Autism wasn't around because doctors didn't diagnose it as Autism. ",
"I read this as when vacation wasnt an option and for minutes have been trying to figure it out, thanks dyslexia, making things harder then they need to be",
"The term God's Children exists for a reason.\n\nMeaning children below the age of 7 belong to god because he can take them anytime.",
"That's crazy. I have a 6 month son, and now I can't even see kids get hurt, let alone imagine this. The change in perspective is very sudden, I find. ",
"This is amazing lol. ",
"2100 out of 7,000,000,000\n\nThat's 0.00003% of the worldwide population. No one is pretty fucking close.",
"you think they didnt vaccinate in the 1800s because they were scared of autism?\n\nlel. whos the idiot?",
"“What’s a computer?”",
"First, that's a pretty crappy thing to say.\n\nSecond, you are wrong. States with best turn out for vaccinations tend to be very red, while blue states tend to have worse vaccine rates.\n",
"Thank science for vaccination. God did nothing about it for millennia.",
"But it's not \"for your own good\". It's for the good of everyone that has to come in contact with you. \n\nThis is truly a public safety issue and as such, the government should intervene and make it mandatory.",
"Yeah, while I am certainly no specialist, I know that the spectrum is huge and you can have it way worse. Still, I have found this quite interesting as it is definitely always extremly challenging for a parent.",
"Denmark.\n\nOn the bottom of the white board it says ''Jesus stays with me'' Would maybe in english be ''Jesus is still with me''",
"Hello! Recently used GIS information to make maps of our neighborhood - also involved going through old plats and deed recordings. \n Rebuilding a plot outline using north/south angle east/west distance (one was in chains with an old reference grid system) and having no idea why the end and start don't match up until realizing they weren't that accurate back then and using a fallen tree, a scorched tree, and an unusually red rock as marker points doesn't help :D. \n\nBack to GIS: QGIS is nice, but for casual users just looking up info, FINDER online is pretty sweet for Maryland residents. I'm sure other states/counties have built similar sites using the same GIS parsing libraries.\n",
"To have been the parents of these children. I can't even imagine.",
"Non autistic? Average? Someone without a condition like that? Don't give the guy that \"everyone has their own quirks, there's no need to be \"normal\" :)\" bullshit. An autistic child, especially if they're aggressive like /u/throwitawaydaddy's son, can be a huge burden on some parents to the point of them hating their lives because of it.\n\nWhen someone who's going through that says they want their child to be normal, you really don't question what they're saying, it's pretty obvious.",
"Forcing your will on anyone is always wrong and immoral. All interaction should be voluntary. ",
"Not necessarily, if you are concerned ask your doctor for a titer which will check your blood levels for immunity. You can do this for any vaccine you had done at any point. \nI am going through a class right now for work where we all had to have this done and someone who had their vaccines only ten years ago is having to have most of them redone because of this very issue. While I had my vaccines 20+ years ago and am all good. ",
"No it isn't. The evidence is clear. Read a history book about the world before the polio vaccine and ask yourself if you want that.",
"As I assume you know, there are monumental differences along the spectrum of autism, and aggression is not uncommon. It is totally normal to want something better for our children. When our children are born with conditions that create burdens for the child and parents, negative emotions and regret are sure to crop up. \n\nShame on YOU for degrading another human for having real, honest emotions. Why don't you try validating first before slamming someone for not being all love and light? ",
"learn what cancer is please, before you make a pseudo intellectual statement like this",
"I'm impressed that you actually looked up which day of the week it was. I'm also frustrated that I don't get to correct you now.",
"Need a TL;DR",
"just realize that right now you are trying to assign rationality to irrational people.\n\n",
"However there are more severe versions of autism which result in kids not being able to talk at all, or just barely. It is a wide spectrum, but I don't know enough about it to go into specifics. ",
"~~What's up with the order of the names? Not alphabetical, not in order of birth, not in order of death. It just seems random.~~\n\nMisread one of the years.",
"Spelling also does its best.\n\n\n*their*\n\nI'm sorry I had to",
"Right, let's solve this once and for all, boffins!",
"Hopefully they had other children...",
"Lol nope. You are dangerously ill informed. Solid bet you don't really understand how vaccines work. ",
"Ya people were able to have kids ",
"My dad was a kid when polio was a very scary issue in the US. When it began to show up in Boston many parents stopped letting their kids play outside. ",
"I would probably just end it. Unless there were any survivors. ",
"Except when that Liberty places others at risk.",
"If it went that far over your head I think we know the answer.",
"For those judging this person, try to see it from a different perspective. While I am not this person, and I am not a parent at all, I understand that sometimes the cost of having an atypical child can be too draining for someone. I have a cousin who is very very low functioning autistic. I’m guessing that’s what this dad is going through. Extreme violence, unable to communicate, my aunt and Uncle have to have the exact same schedule everyday or there are violent meltdowns, and their son is large and strong. They have live-in help and it costs an awful lot just to care for him. I’m positive they love him dearly and would do anything for him, but I can see how someone else would be overwhelmed. \n\nAutism isn’t just “quirky” all the time. Media tends to only represent the really high functioning people. The spectrum is so wide that there have recently been calls to reclassify where people fall on the spectrum, because “high” and “low” functioning doesn’t describe the differences between “can’t maintain eye contact without training” and “will bite and scream anytime there is a change or they are touched and are unable to communicate in any meaningful way.”",
"When you think humor needs a textbook you’re already wrong. Especially when you suggest sarcastic emphasis needs the exhausted “sheeple” word mocking. And intentionally inserting 1s into a string of exclamations was being used by my peers in the 7th grade, 2007.\n\nLess popularly agreed upon, /s as an indication of intended humor either means the joke was bad, or you’re dumbing it down so no one gets riled up by your poor communication/poor interpretting. In which case you’ve already lost.",
"Depends, if you’re autistic you’re probably safe",
"How old is her parents if she had a 2 year old brother when she was in her 80's?",
"I'll give you the same rant I gave a different guy above you:\n\n\"Non autistic? Average? Someone without a condition like that? Don't give the guy that \"everyone has their own quirks, there's no need to be \"normal\" :)\" bullshit. An autistic child, especially if they're aggressive like /u/throwitawaydaddy\n[+1]'s son, can be a huge burden on some parents to the point of them hating their lives because of it.\n\nWhen someone who's going through that says they want their child to be normal, you really don't question what they're saying, it's pretty obvious.\"\n",
"Isn't it weird that this joke got made about that random kid so long after he died?",
"That's great to hear. ",
"There's nothing wrong with the amount of vaccinations either. That's an anti-vaxxer conspiracy theory.\n\nWe have more vaccinations because we've discovered more and science is getting better. \n\nThat's a good thing. ",
"Woohoo vaccine propaganda!! ",
"I get that you're joking, but herd immunity doesn't work like that and it's not just republicans who are anti-vaxxers, it's actually pretty bipartisan. \n\n> But evidence suggests that the politics of vaccinations are a little more nuanced. Other research has shown that there really isn't much of a correlation between people's political affiliation and their views on vaccinations. A study released last week found that the vast majority of Americans believe that the benefits of vaccines outweigh the risks, although liberals are a little more likely to be skeptical of the value of vaccines. More interesting, a 2013 study found that while conservatives may be more likely to reject scientific findings on issues that affect regulations—like climate change—that doesn't necessarily apply to vaccinations. On that front, the biggest contributing factor is not political ideology but having a \"conspiratorial mind-set\"—and that exists on both the right and the left.\n\nhttps://www.vice.com/sv/article/gq87kw/weird-politics-of-anti-vaxxers-203",
"I have 10 siblings. ",
"Alternative medicine, practiced by the same guy who weighed him at 240 lbs.",
"Well not everybody who doesn't get vaccinated is a selfish piece of shit. Those with immune disorders, cancer, infants and some toddlers are either too sick or too young to be vaccinated according to guidelines. Everybody else needs vaccinations.",
"Oh wow. That’s just heartbreaking.",
"The government can already do pretty much anything to you. Much like they can shoot you if you stripped naked and stabbed random bypassers on the street, this would actually help save innocent lives.",
"You all so brainwashed or paid gov puppets ",
" Edited to put this at the top:\nI think it is it an insult to believe that people on the spectrum are damaged.\n\nVaccinations are given within the first two years of life. In the first two years of life children are learning how to go from completely dependent infants to a toddler that is pretty much just mastered walking, and putting two words together. \n\nIn a lot of cases children with a speech delay do not see early intervention until at least two years of age when they are not meeting the milestone of putting two words together. So when you have a child with autism who has significant delays they get diagnosed between 18 months to the age of three. Emotionally for parents who have to go through the stages of grief, look at vaccinations as the blame because vaccines were most likely just completed.\nAnd it's natural to try to find blame when something like that happens. \n\nIt tears families apart, it completely changes your daily life and the prospect of your child's future.\n\nAnd then the higher functioning the child is the later the diagnosis can happen especially if you have a girl that is on the spectrum. And then there are parents that are in denial and don't see it at all so the diagnosis gets delayed. That's not a negative, it happens but we all do the best we can. Good or bad.\n\nThere's a lot of components that go into when and how a child goes through an evaluation or it gets brought to the parent or guardian's attention. \n\nYou have to look at children that were neglected and developmentally delayed, there's children that were injured, or were raised by grandparents... there are too many reasons to completely go into that but I didn't want to not bring some of those reasons in. Parenthood and child development is not a 100% science when dealing with families that do not have a developmental background or an educational background. Development in the early years has a large range for what is considered normal on their own developmental curve. \n\nAnd then you have culture and socioeconomical status and there's a reason why people have to go through college for years to learn it all. And then age recommendations change every 10 years anyway... \n\nI was completely vaccinated, and my children were completely vaccinated. One of them had to be vaccinated twice for certain things because they didn't work with first time around. And she kept getting serious infections that potential he could kill her. Recurrent pneumonia is no joke. And they didn't even have that vaccination when I was a kid. Speaking of which children don't even have to have chickenpox anymore. Do you know how lucky those kids are???? \n\nI am autistic, my children are autistic, my husband and I have ADHD. \nI think it is it an insult to believe that people on the spectrum are damaged. I have friends on the spectrum that are not as functioning as I am but we are all still people and most of the ones I know personally are mostly independent. A life on the spectrum is a good one and I had to grow up with people telling me I wasn't good enough or that I wasn't going to make it. And so far pretty sure I proved them wrong. \n\nAnd my kids and I will not perish from a preventable disease. ",
"> real potential to harm\n\nso basically anything.",
"Huh ",
"Thanks for staying home and not spreading the flu. ",
"my father's older 4 sisters and brothers died of this in pennsylvania... then he and another brother and sister were born later. \n\nand i think that the question is not about vaccinations so much as it is about how they are administered... they should be more spaced out... not all given together. each one separately...\n\n\nand, secondly, the level of control and testing for each one ... in other words, some vaccines are not quality controlled to the level they should be.",
"Do not let them breed ",
"Great post. I would say with responsibility there are no rights. Complete freedom *is* violent chaos as you indicate. But I don't want complete freedom where my safety is not guarenteed, i want the right to live and that requires that I and others act responsibly. ",
"He wasn't calling you an idiot, but I am now.",
"Yeah, same. \n \n*The great vacation epidemic of 1903 resulted in at least a billion people dying due to the shock from how low quality their shitty gift shop trinket really was.*",
"I would like to know this too.. also they call it TDAP where I’m from lol ",
"This is how I talk my children into getting their shots (because shots suck). \"Listen, you're healthy. It's your responsibility to get your vaccine so you can help protect the children in your class that aren't healthy enough to get their own.\"\n\nThere's still tears but ice cream afterwards helps sweeten the deal.",
"Or their parents were already dead...",
"\"Who the fuck told you I am grumpy? Do I look fucking grumpy or what? For fucks sake, fuck these fucking people thinking they know you just because they read your reddit nickname!\"\n\nJokes aside, you made me chuckle with your question :) I am not even grumpy anymore, but I like the nickname!\n\n",
"My grandfather drank a glass of water a few hours before he passed away. It's time we open our eyes and ban water!",
"i'd translate it as \"jesus stays with me\"... unlike his kids.",
"The fuck are you on about? ",
"Not at all, that's why it's such an odd movement. \n\nhttp://www.washingtonexaminer.com/who-are-the-anti-vaxxers/article/2560647\n>Anti-vaxxers don't fit into just one political mold. Democrat and Republican respondents to a February Pew Research Center poll were about equally likely to say vaccines are safe for children who are healthy. Eighty-nine percent of Republicans and 87 percent of Democrats agreed with that statement. \n\n>But they do tend to share some characteristics, like being wealthier and having more formal education, says Mark Sawyer, a pediatric infectious disease specialist in San Diego. It's that group where he sees the most vaccine resistance. Vaccination rates have sunk in mostly white, wealthy neighborhoods in places such as Los Angeles and Orange County. \n\n>The measles outbreak this year started in Orange County, when the virus spread at Disneyland. Of the country's 154 confirmed cases, a majority are in California, where the rate of personal belief exemptions from getting vaccinated has more than doubled since 2002. \n\n>\"The biggest camp by far are the highly educated, mainstream upper-class people who don't reject modern medicine, who go to the doctor, but have gotten on this theme of distrust of the information that's being provided by doctors about vaccines,\" Sawyer said.",
"The flu vaccine this year did not match up well with the actual strains that are out there now.\n\nLots of people that did get the vaccine did in fact get the flu this year.",
"/r/politics is not usable though. It has a very limited purpose, is very restrictive about what articles it accepts and is generally regarded as quite partisan. Normal mainstream subreddits like /r/science or /r/news have around 18 million subscribers. /r/politics has 3.6.\n\nAlso, this isn't really about politics. It's more about health and medicine, even if has public policy implications.",
"The fuck? It's not a secret what's in vaccinations. ",
"The bacteria also creates toxins that kill nerve and heart cells. It can paralyze muscles needed to swallow and cause congestive heart failure, which are the most deadly complications. ",
"I'll give them the spoilers: Gross misconduct and major ethical breaches. What he did was tantamount to child abuse and his study was essentially fraudulent.",
"that's not the person with the autistic child, and its not a troll response. In fact fuck you is the only response that is appropriate. ",
"Yea. Part of my rant included links to herd immunity and info about Andrew Wakefield, the \"doctor\" that started this whole mess. It just boggles my mind how this person even believes it. I've known her most of my life, and I know that she is generally intelligent. Or, at least, was. \n\n\nEdited to add the greedy dickwad's name. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Wakefield",
" The problem lies in the fact that their action hurts the rest of us. By not having their children vaccinated ,they open the rest of us to epidemics [the measle outbreak at Disney is a good example ] . Possibly the alternative is to exclude them from schools and things like little league and boy/girl scouts etc. But yet while your point is a good one, there are other examples we use today. Helmet Laws - Seat Belt Laws,one of the big arguments against these was freedom of choice. This was countered by using medical costs to society as a whole , i.e. get a head injury while riding w/o a helmut and society has to pick up the bill.",
"Two on the first day. ",
"Lol nope. You obviously don’t understand what morals are. Majority rule is mob rule. ",
"But what about the autism that isn't caused by vaccinations that they could've not gotten?",
"Covfefe!",
"I spent 5 min trying to figure out why not taking a vacation turned so deadly ",
"ummmmm.\n\ni have to\n\n\"sometimes, ***I also wonder whether*** freedom of speech is a good thing\"\n\nIm sorry i couldnt not do that",
"Right now it's you.",
"I always try to keep a positive image of the man due to all the fabricated things...until said proof is himself. Dammit, Donald. ",
"Jesus I didn't know he was an anti-vaxxer. Not surprised though I guess.",
"Way to go u/president-dickhole! JK, just that your username was funny.",
"Since the flu is going around, a lot of people I know have gotten sick. Well, several people have recently told me they don't get vaccinated regularly. From \"I just don't believe in them\" to \"I don't trust big pharma\" to \"it's just so much work.\" \n\nThe people that I'm friends with who told me, I lambasted them for being selfish, and stupid. That people like my sister sometimes can't get vaccines based on the year and needs to rely on herd immunity, and if too many people rely on that, it becomes less effective. Those that weren't close to me, I just kind of made fun of for making dumb decisions.\n\nHonestly, vaccination should be mandatory. The fact that it's optional for some vaccines really means that they're going to be less effective than if everyone had it. ",
"Autism isn't so bad, you could go to Delft and get an engineering degree with all the other autists. ",
"Nothing is 100%. It works because everyone is immunized. I think dpt is most effective when they are infants 95%? and it wanes to 50%? by age 16 unless you get a booster then. Even so it still helps you combat the disease. But it only works if almost everyone is immunized. This is probably one of the surprising things about vaccines. You think you can’t get it once you get the shot, but that’s not how it really works most of the time. ",
"Which pharmaceutical company do you work for?",
"That link also reveals something else, which is somewhat ironic considering OP's title. The children died from a serum poisoning, in what was an effort to *prevent* diphtery. So essentially they died from a predecessor to the vaccine, from they very disease they sought to prevent. The children died in countryside Denmark only 6 years after the first clinical tests with diphtery-serums in Copenhagen, so it was likely due to inexperience and malpractice. \n\nI still support vaccines though, and in the long run, even more dangerous serum treatments have saved far more than they have killed. ",
"This is like a summary of every time I play Oregon trail. Caulk the wagon and float..... awwwww shucks",
"No shit. Life is cruel and cold.",
"And probably had them all before hitting 30",
"Parent here. Until the day I die, no matter his age, my son will remain my darling baby. ",
"Why is it highly questionable? ",
"None of the ones I know believe that.",
"Do genealogy companies swoop in and grab that data? Or has it mostly be cataloged already by places like findagrave.com?",
"/u/PrimadonnaGril died on tuesday, press F for your condolances",
"Tell that to those who worship the woman",
"I believe he was poking fun of the people that presume that vaccinations cause autism. ",
"In order by age with oldest being on top",
"Grandmother had 13 brother and sisters, out of the 14, 7 made it to adulthood, the others died young, my grandmother even has the name of her older sister that died when she was 2, that's kind of wrong, but they did not seem to mind.",
"nope. You could apply that to walking outside. Doing anything at all other than keeping your child in a sealed bubble room in a bomb shelter miles underground has the real potential to harm or kill them. Taking your kid in the car has probably much higher chances of killing them than not getting vaccines. Not getting vaccines is not hurting anyone. It's dumb, but your freedom argument doesn't work here.",
"But it isn't. I can't stop you from getting on a bus sick. ",
"How am I being defensive? It was an off the cuff comment, that went wrong. I tried to explain myself with an edit. Seemingly that didn't work. I took the time to thank the people, that took the time to advise me. The voting can go whatever reddit deems fit, as I said, I just don't care.",
"Its also why the life expectancy was so low. If you lived to adulthood there was a good chance you were making it to 65+ years despite having a much lower expectancy because of all the 0s and single digit age deaths dragging it down. ",
"Next up: state enforced homosexuality. It's for the great good, racists!",
"Fuck you. ",
"I'm sure the anti groups will die out soon enough... If you catch my drift.\n\nMost of the population is still well educated and well informed. It definitely poses a threat to more vulnerable groups which is undoubtedly unfortunate and unfair, but I doubt it'll ever reach the level of devestation it was.",
"Accurate. Religion and science aren't mutually exclusive like many seem to think.",
"Thanks!",
"So Oregon Trail IRL",
"Well... You would think so. But that's not the case. After he got defended for the \"grab them by the pussy\" thing, I gave up hope that he was a decent person, or that he'd be a well respected man.",
"Nah, that's an apt analogy.",
"thoughts and prayers",
"\"I got vaccinated and I'm autistic. So there.\" - Donald Trump probably",
"They are idiots, but social media gives any idiot the same platform as Nobel prize winners...",
"If you have a baby, don't let them around your kid. Most of my friends have had a ban on unvaccinated people being around their kids (even grand parents) until the kid is caught up on their vaccines. ",
"Give then aids",
"I read it as vacation...",
"Organic is often less healthy and contains more pesticides that gmo. People that only feed their children organic are more often than not...completely nuts.\n\nUnless you have a degree in biochem the ingredients list means shit to you.",
">15 \n>\n>12\n>\n>5\n>\n>4\n>\n>2\n\nFTFY (some died before their birthdays)",
"Got a more recent example of his stance on vaccinations?\n\nEdit: downvoted for... what exactly?",
"At least it isn't calling the president names. ",
"It’s never BEEN! E! Z!",
"Jesus stays with me",
":(",
"the trick is that the image has to be something they also like and agree with\n\neagles, flags, guns, and Jesus (not necessarily in that order) seem to be generating the best results",
"They are in the cupboard. ",
"Yeah, but you're only legally allowed to abort foetuses, not babies.",
"that's cool but it's his life, not yours\nEDIT: [me rn](http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/024/574/Screen_Shot_2017-11-06_at_12.41.31_PM.png)",
"We scoff now, but this is pretty much how the thinking was. One of the reasons for having children was to have a team of workers to help manage the land you owned, even after your incapacitation or death. And considering the relatively high infant mortality and maternal death rates, and the prevalence of disease (varying by era), people had a more pragmatic view of death, even child deaths. It was common, almost inevitable for many, and easier for them to accept. And it sounds shitty to us now, but in a family with a dozen kids, losing one or a few wouldn’t be a huge deal. It might even be a relief if resources were limited. \n\nThis isn’t to say people didn’t love their children, but it’s kinda like the compartmentalization that people in certain professions (like in healthcare, or animal shelter workers) practice. They care, often a hell of a lot, and they try their best, but they can nevertheless accept losses they know are inevitable. ",
"In Korea, where I lived for a few years, its common practice not to name a child until after birth, at their 100 days birthday party. Early child deaths were so common there was no point even naming your child until it got 100 days old.",
"I can’t imagine losing 1 let alone 5 - I know those parents have long passed but my heart breaks for them still. No parent should have to bury their child.... ",
"He held out the longest. Holger was a beast! ",
"Nor condoms, for that matter. ",
"Just in case anyone was wondering...\n\nThe [fatality rate for respiratory diphtheria](https://www.emedicinehealth.com/diphtheria/page6_em.htm) is between 5%-10%, although it appears to be higher in patients less than 5 years of age and older than 40 years of age (~20%).",
"you're not being remotely honest",
"Level 10 autism right here, some amazing stuff here. ",
"You guys are awesome! I used to do manual flood-zone determinations on properties. The data available in the GIS was absolutely crucial for my job and it made it WAY easier than having to rely on just the old FEMA Flood Maps. ",
"“And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.” ",
"Having 1 diptherias is really bad luck. Having 11 is \"Screw you, specifically\" luck.",
"Speaking as a surveyor, get out of here you weirdos. ",
"Apparently out of 16 children. 8 made it to adulthood. I guess that was common back then. Otherwise, why would they have 16 children?",
"Wow, pro-vaccine propaganda on the front page of reddit. Typical!",
"You keep repeating that and it just shows how shallow your understanding is. It's something that sounds profound but falls apart under the smallest scrutiny. ",
"That saying is why a lot of women I know are anti-abortion. They've lived it.\n\n\nThe stories are just...not pleasant. ",
" Interesting. I thought Autism kind of means a deep focus in specific areas, and a gap in others, preventing being \"well-rounded\".",
"I can’t quite get my head around that “Today I Learned” to the left",
"It is in order of birth, each year is higher than the last",
"He wrote that comment in 2014, when he wasn't the president, but a entertainer.",
"July was bad for the Larsons. ",
"When did any text on any picture become a meme? ",
"None of them made it to their next birthdays. \n\nThis is what used to prevent the population from exploding as it is today.",
"Show them this picture.",
"Must remove sharp objects from your environment now.",
"We lost one and it put me in a depression for two years. My wife asked for an antidepressant before we even left the hospital because she has a history, but I'd never been depressed before. Took me a year before I even realized I was, but it finally clicked that being either completely numb to good or bad things happening or just being angry at everything wasn't the proper emotional range. Then I got some help.\n\nIf it was 5 kids...I probably would have just bought a gun.\n\n*On a positive note: It's 3 years later and we're now 8 months pregnant and excited to have our daughter here any day!",
"Like-ah sleeve of wizard",
"Honestly it took me re-reading this about four times before realizing OP said \"vaccination,\" not \"vacation.\" \n\n\n:|",
"There is this thing called 'the law'. You think not murdering someone should be voluntary and forcing someone to not murder is wrong and immoral?",
"I read ‘vacation wasn’t an option’ and could not figure out why no vacation would cause this to happen. ",
"I don’t think it has to be done tyrannically. If we were a legitimate democracy and could vote on it, we’d get it done that way.",
"The real cause of their death is somewhat ironic considering OP's title. The children died from a serum poisoning, in what was an effort to prevent diphtery. So essentially they died from a predecessor to the vaccine, from they very disease they sought to prevent. The children died in countryside Denmark only 6 years after the first clinical tests with diphtery-serums in Copenhagen, so it was likely due to inexperience and malpractice.\n\nI still support vaccines though, and in the long run, even the more dangerous serum treatments have saved far more than they have killed.\n\nSource: https://www.stoltze-saltoft.dk/getperson.php?personID=I501050&tree=1 (reason of death)\nhttp://denstoredanske.dk/Krop,_psyke_og_sundhed/Sundhedsvidenskab/Immunologi/serumbehandling (serum treatments in denmark)\n",
"It's more like a passive buff. ",
"vaccinations are not only about you, it's about controling the virus' population.\nas long as the virus can survive in the population because some dumb fucks refuse to vaccinate, they are going to be a threat\n\nit doesn't matter if EVERYONE is vaccinated but one people refuses. if that one incubate the virus, it can spread all over again.\n\nimo people who refuse to vaccinate can do us a favor and die of those diseases, but virus demographics are muuuuch more complicated than that, so hence why he government needs to force vaccination.",
"The stupidity never seizes to amaze me... \n\nHope is alive this Monday morning, while the govt is shut down Mueller is still hard at work!!\n\nMAGA - More Are Getting Arrested ",
"What happened?!",
"in a land of perfectly responsible people\n\n1. there is absolute freedom\n2. there is zero need for govt\n\ngovt and limits on freedom are really nothing more than a response to the stupid, criminal, and irresponsible amongst us\n\nfreedom is a consequence of responsible behavior. it's the only way to get real freedom\n\n",
"My dad was from a family of five kids (one who died before adulthood). Fast forward a few decades and amongst the people I know, most of us are the only child or or have at most 2 other siblings. It used to be the norm to have 4+ children and now it's unheard of if you live in the city and want to afford raising a family. ",
"I am not all love and light. My son is autistic as well. He was a terrible child. I was hospitalized for having a mental breakdown when he was young. He was a flight risk, almost died several times from not knowing what the hell he was doing, no regard for safety... I know the struggle. Seriously, I do. All I am saying is that normal kids aren't perfect either. I personally would rather battle through that struggle and accept what cannot be changed than wish something as trivial as normalcy for my own son. I didn't mean to start a flame war. And yes, I do understand the above poster wants life to be better, but I don't believe that simply wishing will be the answer.",
"I guess \"i'm gonna *die* if i don't get out of here\" is an actual risk.",
"I am confused... the title reads \"This is what happened when vaccination wasn't an option\" - implying these children died because of vaccinations?\n\n*blink* I'm... missing something.\n\nEDIT - holy shit I'm not firing on all cylinders... I somehow interpreted the \"when vaccination wasn't an option\" as \"wasn't optional\" instead of \"didn't exist\".\n\nI'm going to blame it on the fact that my wife and I are expecting our first born, literally, any day now and my brain is absolute mud right now!",
"And there are plenty of ways to make those very valid points without walking around a cemetery cherry picking photos of random dead people who weren't anti-vaxxers anyway.\n\nOP is literally spinning the deaths of these kids into an argument against anti-vaxxing and presenting it to an audience of people who aren't even anti-vaxxers. It's disgusting.",
"OMG I am an idiot, I kept reading the headline as this is what happens when you don't have vacation- I was very confused till I started reading the comments, then I just felt dumb",
"If you're dying of it, you're definitely never going to experience it again, or anything else for that matter.",
"a wee bit of 19th century r/gatekeeping right there",
"There is insufficient information to draw this conclusion.",
"Thanks, I was wondering what that meant. ",
"Infant mortality is low enough now that even in the third world parents are having fewer kids they invest more in.",
"Partly yes but kids were workers for the family. If you were born on a farm, you were going to be working it. the more kids, the more workers.\n\nLook at birth rates between working class and upper class. It's not all a birth control issue. ",
"It was a joke. They claim that even though 0.08% of people are intersex, it is normal. At least the hardcore ones do.",
"Oh yes, I think I misread 1897 as 1887",
"No it's not. Why should I not be allowed to build my house out of asbestos? ",
"The worst part about anti-vax people, besides that they suck and are stupid, is that they never know a damn thing about autism or it's affects. Just because your child got autism last year and you're mad about it, doesn't mean you get to take on the mantle of autistic suffering and prance about like it's yours",
"*Looking around suspicious and angry, while trying not to look suspicious and angry.*",
"Libertarians and hardcore conservatives are going to get their panties in a twist over mandatory vaccinations, but that just goes to show how much they don't care about anyone but themselves.\n\nVaccinations should be 100% mandatory (except for medical exemptions, ONLY) to attend public schools, get federal student loans, get a driver's license, get a marriage license, qualify for any government aid (full on, like if you refuse to vaccinate you won't even get Social Security), get a passport, receive a tax refund, etc.",
"Thank u",
"Also, bonus Autism Points™ - One of my special interests is the Swedish language, and the three main Scandinavian languages are mutually intelligible, at least written. The small black plaque says: \"To the memory of teacher L.H. Larsen, and his wife Emelie's 5 children, who died of diphtheria in 1903.\" Their collective tombstone's bottom inscription says \"Jesus is with me.\" \n\nAutism may make your non-northern European ass decide to take Swedish lessons for ~1 decade, but it sure beats being dead.",
"Since you mentioned science, can you sight studies that tell the effects of vaccines in the short and long term. I'd love to read them. (If you site a study with a conflict of interest I'll point it out.) Also, are you sure you want the government to force you to get a shot? They don't have a good track record with that. ",
"The best is when anti-vax parents have autistic kids anyway.",
"And to reiterate his point, this happened a lot *before vaccines* were mandatory. Mandatory vaccines has change the situation so that no parent has to lose their entire family in a weekend.",
"I'm pro-vax, but having something forced inside of your bloodstream is dangerous. My fear is microchips being disguised as some future thing like that.",
"> Dear god\n\nhope you get the letter and ",
"Inject your children or face the wrath of reddit's propaganda army! ",
"There's another grave pic that I see often. It's the Kershaw family and in the late 1800's they lost like 7-8 kids to diphtheria over a two week span.\n\nIt's funny that anti-vaxxers pine for the good old days when parents had chicken pox parties and let their kids get sick for natural immunity. But even a small amount of research reveals signage that people would put up when measles or diphtheria or whatever had infected their household to warn people not to come in. Nobody wanted to intentionally infect other people because they knew their homemade, natural remedies didn't really work. They knew \"natural immunity\" was a gamble you could pay with a child's life. ",
"Well this and the fact that there wasn't always accessible birth control, or religious views dictated you shouldn't use it. So basically if you wanted to bang you were almost always rolling the dice.",
"It’s not my kid that has it, it’s my brothers. He has never expressly said that to me either, only gotten right up to that point at times. But man, the gall of you to imply that he doesn’t care for that kid unconditionally and completely is astounding. \n\nHim and his wife really had everything and were the best couple I knew, and now it’s always on the rocks and their entire life is nothing but caring for my nephew. Her career ended and her life is nothing but staying home. And that will be the rest of her life too, and he is just working two jobs to support them but still sometimes not excited to get home cause of how bad the affect is. On good days, you can get a little tiny bit of affection out of my nephew, others it’s nothing meltdowns and nonsense. And I know it’s a prison...\n\nFuck you and whatever moral high ground bullshit you think you have, cause the truth is that a child with severe autism can be a prison",
"Whoosh",
">Someone in Iceland sneezes\n\n>Madagaskar closes all ports",
"i have never met someone who was against vaccines but you hear a lot about them - i feel like the outrage is bigger than the problem.\n\ni guess my cousin might be anti-vax but he has no children and is a firm believer in an all encompassing Illuminati conspiracy so its par for the course really.",
"Allowing your children to even be open to deadly, easily preventable diseases makes you a shitty person. Furthermore, allowing your potentially disease ridden children around others makes you shitty person. ",
"what you said is true only if *everyone else is vaccinating*\n\nso you're a parasite: your irresponsible behavior works only because everyone else is responsible\n\nif everyone acted like you, no one would vaccinate, and diseases would be raging and kids would be dying constantly\n\nso you're not advocating for freedom\n\nyour words are advocating for being an irresponsible freeloader on everyone else\n",
"Problem with internet text comments. No inflection, tons of dumb people on internet, circlejerks, trolls, etc. Italicizing the entire comment could convey the same thing. But I also wonder how many people are downvoted then go \"it was sarcasm!\" to save face. ",
"Lol. ",
"We all know you don't care because you've said it 80 times. That proves you *really* don't care.",
"> pro-vaccine\n\nYou mean pro-reasonable people?",
"* Measles is one of the leading causes of death among young children even though a safe and cost-effective vaccine is available.\n* In 2016, there were 89 780 measles deaths globally – marking the first year measles deaths have fallen below 100 000 per year.\nMeasles vaccination resulted in a 84% drop in measles deaths between 2000 and 2016 worldwide.\n* In 2016, about 85% of the world's children received one dose of measles vaccine by their first birthday through routine health services – up from 72% in 2000.\n* During 2000-2016, measles vaccination prevented an estimated 20.4 million deaths making measles vaccine one of the best buys in public health.\n\nsource: http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs286/en/",
"Healthy young child doesn't go to doctor, doesn't get vaccines, later doesn't feel good and changes - DEAD. Many such cases!",
"Religion...? People do it now for the same reason. But yeah, my only consolation for the parents is that child mortality back then was very young and it was the norm. Its still painful but i feel like maybe it was for mothers how it is for animals, before vaccines. You have 10 kids and expect to lose half to disease. \n\nEdit: the pope has encouraged very large families. Mormonism encourages large families. Islam does as well. Many religions also ban birth control so a large famiky is kind of inevitable.",
"You say that, but put yourself in the shoes of the parent in the OP. Do you think you would feel the same way if your family was wiped out because someone chose stupidity and liberty over rationality?",
"MMR is one of those vaccination sets that always pops up in the anti-vaxx discussions. All of the diseases they prevent, measles mumps and rubella, can cause encephalitis (inflammation of the brain) which can lead to permanent scarring of the brain or death. Anti-vaxxers get to come see me in the hospital and I can hook them up to EEG and let the doctors know their brain is fucked.",
"and im saying autism wasnt even discovered then. so they had other reasons not to want to vaccinate.\n\nhim using 5 dead kids to make a point about todays anti vaxers is... well its autistic.",
"Dammit I'm only on level 4 autism, it gets so hard to grind once you're an adult",
"Could you imagine being one of the last kids to die, having witnessed all of your siblings suffer the horrible disease before you? Like, you already know your fate... And it wasn't fun.",
"My grandfather had 10 other siblings. He and his oldest sister were the only ones to make it to 20, and he was the only one to make it past age 30. As far as I know it wasn't epidemic, but rather regular childhood illnesses that killed all of them.\n\nIt was a different time. Considering people lived so close to death, I can only imagine their coping mechanisms. I'm sure \"dark humor\" was much darker back then.",
"I'm not the OP you originally replied to.\n\nI say fuck you because of the tone that you used to address a parent who may be in an impossibly difficult situation. You may think you know his situation because you've had your own struggles in the past, but for you to shame him based on a single post expressing a view that nearly any parent in a similar situation would echo is simply disgusting. \n\nYou are doing *every* parent a disservice by parading your holier-than-thou attitude around and disparaging others. Raising children can be difficult enough at times without the challenges of autism or other disabilities, and if you truly are either a parent or a compassionate human being you should know that.\n\nMy wife wracked herself with grief and anxiety after our daughter was born because people like you had brainwashed her with your echo chambers into thinking she was a bad mother for not being able to nurse enough. Do you people have so little going for you in life that you have to resort to pulling others down to make yourself feel better?\n\nAgain, fuck you.",
"Try to understand them? Apparently it's the mercury in vaccines that is the issue, not the vaccines themselves. I haven't researched this stuff and I probably won't for at least 10 years and by that time things may be different, but if you really are concerned, perhaps figure things out in a mature way.",
"> Sometimes I wander whether freedom of speech is a good thing\n\n",
"While I think it's good to go off on these people, I'm not sure your ending is really going to have the intended effect on people who actually believe vaccines can give your child autism. To them it's \"1% change of rare disease they've never heard of vs. 10% chance of autism\" (hypothetical). They see it as cause/effect. \n\nBy ending it the way you did, you are essentially confirming you agree that vaccines do cause autism, you'd just rather them be autistic than dead so the vaccine is a good idea.",
"Yes, these kids died because there wasn't a vaccine to protect them from whatever awful disease killed them.",
"A point that it's *very easy* to make *without* taking advantage of sensationalizing pictures of dead children from 100 years ago.\n\nThis is very clearly a heavily slanted appeal to emotion.",
"Oh look an anti-vaxxer ",
"Risk is inherent in liberty. ",
"shoot that vaccination straight up my buttcheeks honey",
"Oh. Dumb joke. ",
"1) introduce laws\n2) bad things don't happen\n3) profit",
"But they are *in order of birth*.",
"Unimaginable what those poor parents went through. It angers me about the whole anti-vacc movement that happened. Are parents still doing it?",
"He's just saying it's stupidity, not malice.",
"Vaccination wasn’t an option. So they died because of a LACK of vaccination.\nHow you got to your conclusion is what’s confusing me?!?",
"Sometimes i don't like browsing reddit ...",
"Agreed. It’s spot on. OP is just too dumb and stubborn to acknowledge anything not in complete agreement of their twisted views. ",
"When Jenny McCarthy has a subreddit of tens of thousands of worshippers, I’ll consider them equivalent. ",
"Lol. As long as we are going back to kindergarten level... \n\nBrush up on your science...",
"Yeah, like reality. His sure doesn't match the one I grew up in.",
"To be fair, the president is also just an entertainer most famous for being a dick on TV after writing a 'get rich like me' book.",
"That was no real answer. ",
"Birth control methods have existed since ancient civilizations.Pulling out is one of them. nobody has 10 kids without trying.\n\nInstead of replying to everyone I will leave one of my edits below:\n\n>Pulling out is 96% effective as long as you have urinated before your previous ejaculation to clear the urethra of any seminal fluid and are able to...pull out before ejaculating. Not that I would recommend it to anyone in the 21st century. Perfect condom use is 98%, for reference.\n\n>Improper/Typical use of pullout goes down to 78% effectiveness vs 86% effectivenes. \n\n\n>[Contraceptive Technology 20th revised Edition](http://i.imgur.com/PvPhjgo.jpg)\n\n>The cowpers gland (responsible for the preduction of pre-seminal fluid) has the sole goal of prepping the urethra for ejaculation by evacuating the urethra of any urine that was previously inside of it. Urine's acidity in the average human [is usually around 6.0 pH ](https://www.healthline.com/health/urine-ph#procedure), making it too acidic for sperm to survive (Anesse, Danzer, 2003). \n\n\n>In fact, a (albeit very small sample size) study was conducted on 5 patients and [None of their preseminal fluid contained sperm](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/12762415/). \n\n\n>The pullout method is unreliable mostly because human beings are unreliable. Not because of biological reasons. ",
"inb4 this thread gets locked",
"No, he wants his child to be normal. Nothing will change that genetic defect.",
"My granddad was one of 7 (one set of triplets including my grandpa, two sets of twins. I know, them odds). The triplets were all born ill, but his two sisters were even worse off than him. \n\nThey were hanging in little baskets above the fireplace, and my grandfather was placed furthest in close to the fireplace since the parents wanted to have easy access to the girls who needed a lot of care. He was the only one who lived. The girls died of pneumonia. Most likely, him being close to the fireplace saved his life.",
"My mother had a brother who died at 1 from what they called 'a weak heart'. There wasn't even a proper cause of death.",
"Damn... I just commented their ages and 1.1k in 50mins XD\n",
"Yeah I thought it was a joke about parents killing all their kids out of frustration when a little time away wasn't an option",
"It wasn't *that* normal. It came in waves when disease would enter the country. Some generations have very few fatalities.",
"Nobody is forcibly making people wear seatbelts. There doesn't have to be violently aggressive compliance, just consequences for those who do not get their children vaccinations. Slovenia has a mandatory compliance vaccination program and boasts 95% coverage for the 9 required vaccinations. The consequence is a fine of 41 to 417 euro per parent per child. ",
"I'm not so sure, this anti-vaxx movement has only been growing. You'll see it occasionally nipped (like the mega church in Texas) when there's an outbreak, but the desire to end it doesn't spread nationwide. OC and SF still have low vaccine rates, even after that.\n\nAnd if we get below herd immunity, this stuff can spread like wildfire. Vaccines aren't 100% effective, so if my daughter takes a vaccine that is 95% effective and happens to be one of the 5% who it doesn't work for, she doesn't deserve to die because some shitheads thought it would be funny to go below herd immunity.",
"Right. Which is precisely why he should never have gotten that particular promotion. ",
"I’m born with autism and my mom is ironically an anti vaxer. Got my first vaccine ever when I was 21. I’m very thankful for being alive.",
"A badly packed kebab.",
".... I meant Oprah.",
"> lives really fast\n\nmustbenewzealandthen",
"... unless I get diptheria. ",
"Only downside is that extensive research has demonstrated that the more you provide evidence, the more commited they become to that opinion. It's literally a lose-lose. There was some promising research that suggested that showing pictures or videos of kids sick with these diseases was somewhat effective, but it's less well-established. \n\nIn med school when I rotated on Peds I saw this first hand. Lots of young mothers with print outs of pseudoscience found on fashion blogs regarding vaccines schedules. There's no reasoning with it, because it's not reasonable. I specialized in adult medicine, partially to not deal with that shit. ",
"Well, it didn't cost 33k to deliver one either. Having 10 kids now would bankrupt you before you got them home.",
"And you wouldn't have wanted him not to almost die several times? What kind of asshole parent are you? ",
" It is kinda weird. ",
"[They're coming around.](https://youtu.be/jLPXMOxup18)",
"Maybe you'll become a savant. Its a super power like in Dragonball. Autism > Savant > ???",
"Aspergers here, I'll take this over polio any day.\n\nOr even just measles honestly, I'm q huge pussy (unrelated to the autism, I just don't like being sick)",
"While I agree that it is really important to give people contraception. Preventing infant deaths is the number one reason that people stop having as many children. [The Romans had a plant which was a very effective contraceptive and even so, there doesn't seem to be any evidence that they slowed down on having babies.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demography_of_the_Roman_Empire#Fertility) The best thing we can do to help decrease the rate at which the world population is growing is provide decent healthcare so that people are certain their children will survive.",
"Undoubtedly autism ran rampant in the Larsen family",
"This is the dumbest fucking thing I have ever read.",
"5 kids died in a span of 3 days because they didn't have the vaccination that would have spared them.",
"The vaccine court has awarded $3.6 billion in damages.",
"Past wasn’t all that long ago. My g-ma has 6 that lived. 2 died in infancy. My mother (the oldest) almost died when she was 9 and most of her siblings had a serious childhood illness. She remembers when houses were under quarantine and doctors made house calls. She was born in 49 so we’re talking late 50s early 60s for a lot of this. ",
"I read this as this is what happened when vacations werent an option, i was so confused...",
"There are more adults being diagnosed with autism in the last 10 years then there have ever been. I don't believe it's increasing and numbers, but I do believe that there's more awareness and people are finally starting to understand a little bit more about themselves and getting evaluated. I was one of them.",
"When Oprah has a subreddit of tens of thousands of worshippers, I’ll consider them equivalent. ",
"\n>...i don't think freedom from responsibility is a thing\n\nAs someone who is turning off my phone tomorrow when my vacation starts, I wholeheartedly disagree. One glorious week of no responsibility: suck it world.",
">Last year in South America over 60% of the people who got the flu vaccine still got the flu. \n\nThat doesn't sound right. For 60 percent of people who got the vaccine to have the flu, like 100 percent who didn't would have had the flu. That's an epidemic right there. I think you might misinterpreting that the vaccine was considered only 60% effective, which across multiple strains. And even if you do get the flu, it's milder with ghe flu shot.",
"You can't imagine because it almost never happens anymore.\n\nIn the old day, you probably would know a lot of people who died at your current age.",
"Thanks for a rational post. ",
"F",
"Thank medical professionals for vaccines. You can thank god for diptheria if you want, I guess....",
"Nope, but I hope he finds what happiness he can.",
"That is the official account. ",
"Right, it wasn't so much that \"everyone dies at 40\" than it was \"75% of the people live to 70, and 25% of the people die before 10.\" \n\n",
"Thanks Google. Enjoy that free karma\n",
"> until we'll hit somekind of virus that will grow on unvaccinated child and evolve to bypass the vacinnes on others , having the black plague on modern day density of cities will be.. interesting to say the least. \n\nThat's pretty much flu today.",
"Didn't know people have kids because of religion. But explains why all muslim families here seem to have 5+ kids while the average Danish familiy had 2.4 kids.",
"Because Vaccines are an actual thing you shoot into your body. Anti-vaxxer or not, this should never be put on the table. How would you feel if the government told you that everyone's left pinky was causing cancer and ordered that everyone have their left pinky removed? \nI wouldn't want that. Not because I want cancer, but because the government just told me to maim myself. \nThey should never have power over our bodies. ",
"Or, in old fashioned grammar, Jesus stay with me - not a statement of fact, but a prayer.",
"Not Perth either",
"Vaccination still shouldn't be an option.\n\nEdit : maybe I should clarify. Vaccination is a MUST. It should not be an option....",
"Touché. Tv viewers are way more though",
"Something like this happened to my grandma. She lost like 3 or 4 brothers in a single month. After the latest death, she, her remaining siblings and her parents all went to pray, and she heard her dad say “god, if you’re gonna take them all, take them all right away and not one at a time.”\n\nApparently one of the scariest moments in her life",
"More shitty than the person who is happy to roll the dice over the life of their children?\nI'd argue that forcing something morally good is not immoral. ",
"Right?",
"hurrrrr DAE vaccine good????",
"I think the point is that if it weren't for herd immunity and they stood a greater chance of actually experiencing the serious consequences of their choice like people did before vaccinations were widely available, they would probably rethink those positions (or might not have been attracted to them in the first place). It doesn't matter whether they believe in herd immunity -- the environment in which their choice was formed simply has that characteristic, and that characteristic may play a role.",
"Ya its a fine line sometimes, I try to educate without being disrespectful, to a point. Unfortunately its usually ppl who have just enough brains to be ignorant. But not enough to rationally assess the science behind the matter.\n\nedit* it just angers me that the may influence 2 or 3 of there similarly dim witted friends with their post.",
"Yeah, one could even say it was not the best way to start the week.",
"I actually mentioned that there is no reliable proof that they do. I think she got the point that I didn't think vaccines actually cause autism. But, I agree, I could have worded it better. ",
"Show them this picture",
"Maybe you should give yourself a rest and try Reddit agaim tomorrow",
"This is brutal. I can also imagine that Holger, the kid that died last was probably terrified seeing his four siblings die and having the same symptoms as them. It's heartbreaking.",
"That’s globally. It was lower in more developed nations. In Francs the child mortality rate was 22%, in Sweden it was 15%. \n\nThe graph in your link I’m referencing didn’t have data for the US prior to 1933 (but it was 7.7% then)",
"Dear God that is a horrible saying.",
"Lol was sure it said vacations.... Kinda made sense with the month and the teacher. ",
"I agree. I love my son with all my heart, but if the option of not having austim was possible I would wish it gone for him. I also will be his caregiver the rest of his life due to the severity. ",
"And now we've traded death for life, and.....autistic screeeeeching",
"But what happens when your liberty costs someone else theirs? How many involuntary manslaughters would be enough in the case of the more horrific diseases we’ve lost hundreds of thousands of otherwise Liberty Lovers? Obviously it’s an extreme example and would primarily be something I’d expect would only be applicable to law with truly life threatening, easily transferable diseases that such logic would consistently apply to. Why kick out an idea just because you feel an extreme could possibly exist without checks and balances? Why not shoot for something that respects liberty but also discourages anyone making such life decisions without a proper education? ",
"You're like 12 hours too fast with that guess",
"It's in Danish and actually says \"Jesus stays with me\"\n\n",
"I did the same thing, but I forbid her being near my family. It's definitely a dick move on my part to quarantine thrm, but those are the consequences of her actions. That branch of the family tree is a little out there. ",
"Yeah, I feel the same. I ran across a small family graveyard in upstate PA on a former farm (we were renting the house for vacation) and in a few years the entire family except the husband died. His wife and five kids within ten years, gone. No one reached adulthood and it looks like he lingered on for another thirty years. Hugged my kids a bit harder that day.",
"Too real :( I come here for uplifting news, not sadness",
"Disease and death are part of the universe. If we didn't have them, what would be the point of life?",
"Reasons why anyone bleating on about how our ancestor's were stronger and lived healthier lives should be treated with utter disdain.",
"This topic is widely debated and sad enough considered as a political topic nowadays as far as I see all the arguements on reddit... But my point is simply that this is (should be) an entertainment subreddit and that I'm tired of not being able to browse subs that are made for entertainment purposes without seeing the typical \"anti-trump\" / \"anti-democrat\" / \"anti-republican\" / \"anti-whatever\" bullcrap which leads to discussion, hatred towards the other side and more of these pics that are only posted to express an opinion instead of allowing me to just have a little minute to relax on here. I just think it's a bit sad, that's all. ",
">Pretty sure these people weren't anti-vaxxers getting their just desserts here.\n\nNo one is saying that. What has been said is this is a disease that people can easily be vaccinated for, and this picture shows an example of what vaccines did for the world and what could happen without vaccines. And I think it's obvious you know that and are acting ignorant to try to prove some kind of point. ",
"Seat belt laws are because of the cost to taxpayers and insurance providers. Not because of your safety, same with helmet laws. ",
"We believed you when you said you had autism.",
"Just because you don't like it. Does not mean it was dumb. I tought it was funny, so that's just your 'dumb' opinion.",
"why?\n\npeople gonna be saying stupid shit here tomorrow as well?",
"Some Pharmacy lobbyist must have written it there after the vaccine discussion for sure!!!1!!1!",
"The parents clearly didn't use the right enchanted crystal. /s",
"I'm an idiot. I didn't read the title well enough and this whole time I was looking for the connection between 5 kids dying and VACATION. ",
"RIP",
"Two years ago I got sick with what I thought was the flu. It got so bad that I went to one of those express clinics (needed a breathing treatment). Based on the symptoms, they thought I had the flu: \"Oh yeah, it's the flu, we've been seeing these symptoms for the last few weeks.\"\n\nThey tested me for the flu, just to be sure. It wasn't the flu, I had a cold.",
"Yikes",
"yes, but then you give the state the right to force injections into our youth, whether they be good or bad",
"> Diphtheria \n\n\nNot even thanks to vaccines... thanks to basic medial treatment.\n",
"Yeah I misread one of the years. ",
"well yeah, you worked for that, you deserve it\n\nbut the point is when you're on vacation you won't go drunk speed boating and whine \"muh freedoms\" when you slam into the dock and break someone's leg\n\nbecause you're a responsible person\n",
"GMOs",
"Exactly. If God really wanted the kid dead, is He so weak that a simple vaccine would stop him?",
"Sure, but that's another argument from your original argument about standards of a president, he may have changed his stance between 2014 and 2017.. ",
"There were still a bunch of diseases that claimed people older than 20, but I agree completely that the mortality rate of youths was probably the largest contributing factor. People who also got past childhood didn't have to deal with rampant heart disease, diabetes or other conditions related to our diet. Dying of heart failure at 50 wasn't really a thing yet. ",
"Did you tell her that the alternative is that they'll both just freeze to death?",
"Man I really hope you're in on the joke at this point",
"I always say if we are going to allow vaccines to not be mandatory that we shouldn't allow anyone without a medical exception to go to public schools and such. Right now they give out religious/special exceptions way too liberally which causes the new outbreaks.",
"I feel like I've seen this movie before...",
"So then public places should only be available to those who choose to vaccinated, do you agree? Otherwise your voluntary rejection of a vaccine makes for a mandatory death for others.",
"Hey thanks for pointing out that TIL. Was confused at first because I thought you meant spelling. But yeah, that ph I always pronounced or thought was pronounced as a p. Whoops.",
"Man, I've never seen someone still not get a joke after having it fully explained...",
"I read that it's coming back in Venezuela. They've had cases of that and measles because they've completely run out of vaccines.",
"what joke",
"Autistic lives matter. What a creepy thing to say. ",
"\"Wouldst thou like to live deliciously?\"",
"I misread vaccination as vacation and was very confused.",
"https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SP.DYN.IMRT.IN?view=map&year=2016",
"Thanks. I was wondering if the photo was actually even related to vaccines. ",
"> Not getting vaccines is not hurting anyone. \n\nMany people rely on herd immunity because the vaccine didn't work on them.\n\nThese people are harmed by those who refuse to vaccinate themselves.\n\n[Why is herd immunity important?](https://imgur.com/gallery/8M7q8#J7LANQ4)",
"You should learn about the nap. Then you would see how silly that comment is. ",
"But you know... We should stop taking them because autism and stuff.... Also this one chick with *really* nice boobs said so",
"Well, to be frank, death is *still* inevitable. Just not as likely to occur before 70 these days.",
"whats to get or not get? ",
"Not as much as mee! wake up sheeple. The truth is out there do your rsearch. /s",
"Still believing in Jesus after this LOL. Christians.",
"> Losing 5 babies\n\nOne of them was five and another 3. I have both a 5 and 3 year old. I can't imagine. ",
"Reqt ",
"im retarded\n\ncarry on",
"I’ve read all about Edward Jenner, and so on. Written many papers, and read many books on both sides. I didn’t have the option to vaccinate myself. Evidence doesn’t change what I believe should or should not be going into the human body. Our bodies have an immune system, and people need to realize that’s yes vaccines have helped a ton, and still are helping a ton. But it was hygiene that killed people more-so back in the day, not JUST the diseases. From a utilitarianism approach, it’s the best way for sure. From a humane approach it’s something I think we are all maybe a little too susceptible to trusting. Many doctors and nurses don’t report injuries or deaths from vaccines because they’re terrified of losing their jobs, I know a few who have told me the same. It’s just hard for me to decipher what is in fact for the greater good if we don’t even have accurate records to measure the actual amount of deaths and injuries reported by the VAERS. I think pro-vaxx need to be a little more open and not call all of us crazy, my oldest sister got her vaccines as a child and ended up in a coma for 2 weeks. Injuries and deaths aren’t as rare as people think, do your research people.",
"In that case it would have been: \"Jesus bliv hos mig\"",
"Again with the \"experts\". We need the opinion of real people.",
"I guess they took it as wasn’t optional, meaning it was mandatory.",
">If you could make the autism go away in an analogous way, why the hell wouldn't you?\n\nWe are likely going to pay the thousands of dollars to save and store our baby's cord blood just for the hopes that, should he/she have autism, we might be able to use the stem cells to treat it. It's all in trial stages still, but has a decent outlook for quality of treatment. Honestly, the thought of my baby having any disability makes me so sad and anxious; it's tough to even imagine dealing with it.",
"Reading that hurt. ",
"They shouldn't have done it. It wasn't a problem in the first place and removing it from vaccines just gave an argument to anti-vaxxers.",
"Its ironic, he could save others from autism but not himself.",
"damn... I don't even want to upvote this, but its such an impactful post",
"agreed 100%\n\n\"don't want vaccines? ok. no schools, mass transit, stadiums, malls, etc for you... you want to put us in mortal danger, and we won't let you\"",
"> Give them numbers. When they become adults, give them names.\n\nThat's something Romans did.",
"No mercury in vaccines. Enough propagating falsehoods. ",
"My grandmother birthed 14 children in a tent. Previously she lost 7 children to the same disease. Yeah she had 21 kids, go hard or go home. ",
"That sounds like a fascinating job. I like to wander through old graveyards.\n\n[Evaporated milk formulas](http://contemporarypediatrics.modernmedicine.com/contemporary-pediatrics/news/clinical/pediatrics/concise-history-infant-formula-twists-and-turns-inc) began to be used in the 1920s. They saved the lives of a lot of babies whose mothers had died or who didn't produce enough milk.\n",
"[Somehow The Cure plays in my mind](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGgMZpGYiy8)",
"Would \"anything\" include his life? Not trying to judge anything, just curious how I'm to understand that comment.",
"Ehm, I would object more if someone dragged around recently deceased children on the internet. It's the parents that killed them in that case and feels like victim blaming. We should learn from history and the picture is more recent than the books about the black death.\n\nPeople die of diptheria today too. I work in health care and my employer is checking up if all employees is vaccinated against the measles as it is becoming more common. Anti-vaxxing is a disease, a mass-hysteria, that should be treated by any means necessary. ",
"I second this. I knew a family that refuses to vaccinate and had their baby at home. Baby died and they had to look up on YouTube how to resuscitate a baby. Somehow the baby lived but they refused to take it to a doctor. Ever.\n\nAs a parent, I truly believe that is child abuse. I also believe bringing my baby around that is condoning the abuse. Not to mention the risks - like you pointed out.",
"Yeah, isn’t public health and preventing millions of deaths through medical breakthrough and consistent vaccination research just awful?",
"[Relevant talk](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LyzBoHo5EI)",
"I would but the door is locked so I'm not sure if I can",
"Of all the things a fox would say, this has to be one of the most depressing. Not quite as catchy as the song thought it would be.\n\nWell at least now we know.",
"Very well said. I replied to another comment below, but I’m an amateur genealogist whose primary interest is my Polish family, and being Catholics and all, their birth rate vs infant and maternal mortality is so fascinating to study. In epidemics, I’m sure the parents felt utterly powerless to stop their children’s suffering, and their friends and family and neighbors were affected too so it only added to the misery. ",
"Vestre kirkegård, ikke?",
"r/upliftingnews",
"You can say all those things, but that doesn't just make the overwhelming evidence to the contrary just go away. I'm glad you and your sister are healthy but it's totally irrelevant here. It's like saying you never wear a seatbelt or helmet and you've never been thrown from a car or had your skull cracked open.",
"I get that and I agree anybody is allowed to risk their own lives as much or as little they please. Except diseases don't care about ideals and by not vaccinating you could be potentially forcing others to live with the risks you took. Which is against the nature of choice and free will is it not?",
"That's true. It was the reasons people have children that I was commenting on, not the number of children they have.",
"Before you got home? How rich are you? I'd be turned down at the door.",
"The sign on the left say:\n\n\"In memory of teacher L.H. Larsen and his wife Emilie's five children who died of difteritis in 1903\"\n\nIt's in Danish.",
"* Not getting vaccines is not hurting anyone.*\n\nExcept, there are countless studies that show it does in fact hurt other people.",
"To be realistic, this wasn't uncommon back then. As horrible as it sounds, I imagine precisely because its so rare these days that the average modern person's concept of that tragedy might be more... severe than that of the time. \n\nI mean losing one child would be earth shattering. But back then one out of five or so was pretty good in the grand scheme.",
"The internet is a weird place, don't worry about it.",
"It actually happens a lot now too (though with brand new babies, not toddlers). Whooping cough is horrendous for new borns. Haven't you seen those awful ads on TV about getting vaccinated so your baby doesn't catch it? The entire ad is just a baby coughing with whooping cough. It's terrible.",
"Stupid comment of the day",
"Ya, I don't think any guys in the 1800s had kids just as a cover to watch and sing Moana songs. The movie waas not even out back then",
"But, hey, at least there wasn’t autism. <eye roll so severe I almost fall over>",
"Not even just babies. The oldest here is about 13, so presumably they had personalities, did stuff, and said things sometimes.",
"I think that in the past you were just shy/antisocial/weird. But nowadays they can pinpoint it down better, giving better advice and mechanisms to cope with it in society. ",
"No, it's just highly contagious. ",
"Please do show us those statistics. I can't wait for it to be some soccer mom blog where she counted people hit by a bus and blamed their vaccinations.",
"\"Whatever you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it\"",
"[Well it's not just hippies man](https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/449525268529815552)",
"And nothing to do but bang all day. ",
"I feel like it must have been that way during both world wars too. You couldn't really make much of a fuss when the worst happened to your loved ones if it was happening to everyone else as well.",
"If that were true, he could have taken any one of his hundreds of media appearances in the last two years to say “BTW I was wrong before, vaccines don’t cause autism.”",
"Does my mom know you took it?",
"There is mercury in vaccines, it's just not the dangerous kind. https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/thimerosal/index.html",
"> if everyone acted like you, no one would vaccinate, and diseases would be raging and kids would be dying constantly\n\nI 100% agree it's irresponsible and ridiculous to not vaccinate, but I *AM* arguing for freedom. Regardless of outcome, there's freedom to choose, and your argument that people should be forced to inject medications at gunpoint.\n\nIf nobody vaccinated and diseases were running rampant, these people would still not be directly, purposely harming each other. It would be indirect harm by negligence.\n\nEdit: Also, I would vaccinate, so \"if everyone acted like you\" doesn't really apply. I'm not arguing to NOT vaccinate, I'm just arguing to not force people at gunpoint to vaccinate. Educate, encourage, but don't force.",
"Even when my dad (66) grew up it was normal to at least lose a childhood friend.",
"Jesus Christ, Sunday almost teased the family with a glimmer of hope of having a day without losing a child, then along came Monday.",
"oh god you dead :(",
"Also it's becoming more and more common for young adults in developing countries to move into cities, obviously this isn't a particularly new thing but it's much more common than it once was. So having lots of kids wouldn't necessarily be helpful for rural parents nowadays, if anything it could be a bigger strain until they're old enough to leave.",
"Anything? Would you trade your life for his 'normal' life? While I don't know anything about your specifics.. the fact is that autism can usually be managed. I say this as someone who has two brothers who have struggled with it. I probably have a mild form of it myself.\n\nWe aren't all doctors nor are we wildly successful people, but we hold jobs and pay our bills and go about our lives just as well as anyone else does. In fact the brother who be identified as being least autistic was the one who got caught up in the drugs scene and possibly could have died. \n\nI mean for all the dumb things 'normal' people seem to get involved in, I am really not sure its worth doing 'anything' for. I get the idea that you want your children to have the least difficulties as possible. That you want them to be successful and you want them to be happy. I have two kids of my own and totally wish that for them. Autism isn't necessarily such a steep barrier to that though, at least when you compare it to everything else that exists. That said though, I don't know your specifics so I apologize if somehow I am off base. ",
"Reusing names of children/relatives that died young is still practiced a lot in my country (greece). I think it might have to do with the notion of continuing an unfulfilled life.",
"Depends, are you coming back tomorrow?",
"It was the same disease outbreak that killed all 5 of them.",
"Damn that sucks. Sorry about your pending demise. Can I have your TV?",
"Or, you could just say that we prioritise the freedom of others above our own, and that way they do the same for us, and everything else basically falls into place where people have individual freedom to the extent that it doesn't impinge on other's freedom. \n\nToo bad modern governments are so anti-freedom with their war on drugs etc. ",
"Or copper and zinc.",
"for some reason reddit is the only place i can find comments that don't go this absurd. sure, there is some idiotic commenting here, but when you look at twitter, yahoo, and facebook comments it makes you want to die asap",
">But man, the gall of you to imply that he doesn’t care for that kid unconditionally and completely is astounding. \n\nI mean it seemed more like he was saying that *if* they couldn't deal with it then there are options. I would have no problem turning over a baby with really bad down syndrome. Doesn't mean I don't care about the kid, just would mean that I am not equipped to care for a severe down syndrome kid and I trust other people to do it way better and I prefer not to be driven mad and take care of a child into their old age. You can love them and still accept your own lack of preparation for that tremendous burden.",
"Yeah she does and also my 2 brothers",
"there is a spectrum between complete anarchy and total authoritarianism and more personal freedom is idea, but expecting people to take in the bigger picture and what not by themselves is asking too much.\n\nstuff like right to roam and even taxation gets called out for being inherently oppressive regardless the amount of good it does.",
"No wonder his base loves him! ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)",
"Vaccines dont cause autism. Anybody who doesnt vaccinate their kids, should not have kids. They should lose them to clearer minds. \n\nBut imagine if you legitimately did believe that. Imagine there was something that could caus kids to have severe autism and it was mandatory. \n\nImagine knowing that your kid will have severe autism. \n\nI could not take care of a kid with severe autism. Granted i couldnt take care of a regular kid now since im in college, but it would be much worse for kids with severe autism. Your whole life would be about taking care of your kid. Your whole life. Normally it would be 15 years of parenting until your kid could becomes slightly independent and around 18 you start playing with the idea of being fully independent. \n\nA kid with severe autism is completely dependent on you for life. Your whole life becomes taking care of your kid. Having a kid with autism is probably my greatest fear. If it happened to me, i would probably take care of the kid for my whole life if it was neccesary (and love it like any other child of mine), but it is the last thing i would ever want. \n\nI completely understand if you would prefer literally anything than to have to take care of someone your whole life. The big difference is how you weigh death and autism in what ypu prefer.\n\nThat being said. Fuck people who think autism ia caused by vaccines. It is a dangerous fucking thought and completely unfounded. ",
"Under today's current political climate children's vaccinations would not be covered publicly. Poor children will still be dying of Polio & Measels.",
"That would have been good. I just called her a moron instead",
"Actually thank God for Diphtheria, thank scientists for the vaccine.",
"\"you children have it so easy, **back in the day** we used to work our ass off.\"\n\n~probably a stereotypical older person\n\n\n**Fuck your ass off**\n~probably a real historian.\n\n",
"In 1903?",
"I knew a family that lost 4 of their six kids in one day to an accident. It’s like final destination.. those kids are dead one way or another. Dying from vaccinations, dying from not vaccinating, car accident, sids, who knows man.. who knows. There is also a cemetery near me who had six kids and they all died around one year old. Then they died without ever having a kid grow up. ",
"No deaths from that .\nI'm talking about high mortality rate virus .\n\nProbably something combined with rabies",
"I read that as vacation, wtf.....",
"It's like Saving Private Ryan, but with one more death!",
"Happy Cake Day!",
"I didn’t see the one above yours.\n\nBut he got “whether” right.. and you blew the “too” as well, so you pretty much did twice as bad as the other guy.",
"Yeah what politician willingly makes themselves look bad? They only do so when cornered by the media. And by the way, this still doesn't deflect your original point about the standards of a president BEFORE they were the president, unless you're a time traveler.",
"Because they can function just fine in society like normal people. And last I heard, intersex conditions were actually about as common as red hair, which is much more than 0.08% (where'd you even get that number from, your ass?)",
"Because Jesus had been a big help\n\nEdit: oh I see America has woken up",
"I think we can all agree that Jesus bliver hos mig.",
"You absolutely need to make it clear that you are sarcastic because the people who believe what you typed exist.",
"What do homosexuality and racism even have to do with each other? Besides being forms of bigotry?",
"Could you imagine popping out a child every nine months?",
"Speaking for myself as a parent, I certainly don't think the love for my child is socially constructed. It's very real and very strong. I think the difference is that I have the privilege to allow myself the luxury of those emotions. In harder times I may very well have had to practice a sort of pragmatic detachment, and quell those emotions.",
"smdh. Vaccines cause autism, these chirruns were not infected with the vaccine, hence they could not have autism. Please try to keep up.",
"Small sign says: To the memory of the Larsen family and their 5 children who died of Difterithis in 1903. ",
"Tbf, the internet is a very visual medium so you're kind of asking for it",
"Not sure this is true. What's your source for this claim?",
"Happy Cake Day!",
"My brother is not autistic and he is quirky and weird as hell. ",
"Good thing!",
"The issue with this is herd immunity, part of vaccine effectiveness comes from everyone doing it. You are free to \"hurt\" your child, not to hurt others.",
"But they probably don’t have autism",
"The little signboard besides the gravestone says that they were still alive, and that the father worked as a teacher.",
"A family got destroyed by a disease that noone gets now that vaccines are a thing. If vaccines didn't exist, this could happen to your family. ",
"Sign says Diphtheria.",
"2fast2live\n2young2die\n\nThe government’s shut down, there are no rules. ",
"Not when half of them would die and you needed a lot of them to help run things ",
"When the three extra syllables in \"image macro\" became too much for most to bother with.",
"Halitosis is so hot right now anyway",
"Happy fucking 4th of July. Terrible. No parent should outlive their kids. ",
"I think this place has more than enough.....interesting? people in it",
"That makes sense, thank you",
"Her vagina - it *was* a clown car!",
"Can electrical distribution designers stay? Exelon buddies?",
"That's just your dumb opinion that my opinion was dumb. Dumb. ",
"Bro, I'm gonna need a nap because reading all of your stupidity is draining my energy.",
"\"It's never too late to abort\"",
"One who cares about integrity might. ",
"I always think about child mortality rates whenever I think about what it was like to live in another time. Trailer trash today have it better than yesterday's emperors and kings.\n\nIf you're reading this, you're living the dream.",
"[Siran Stacy - about the only way this sort of tragedy happens nowadays outside of natural disasters or terrorist attacks](http://www.foxnews.com/story/2007/11/20/6-killed-in-wreck-involving-former-alabama-football-star-siran-stacy.amp.html)",
"the Oregon trail",
"China eased the rules for 2nd children, but people aren't really having more than one child anyways. In cities at least.",
"You are not allowed to drive drunk or put on a blindfold and shoot your gun. You are not allowed to put others lives at risk in general.\n\nWhy should you be allowed to put others lives at risk in this case?\n\nThese people are potential murderers and should be treated as such. People are allowed to be ignorant up to the point where it becomes a danger to others, from there on out the legal system or social services should handle it. ",
"You must be a guy, getting pregnant is incredibly easy. Just think, if the average woman has sex once a week for her 30 years of her adult life that’s over 1,500 times where she has to hope the pull out method works. ",
"Happens in Fire/EMS/Police too. Not to the sick fucks among us like myself. I find the humor in the bad shit so that I don't break, but I've seen a lot of guys turn to the bottle or become depressing people. ",
"No Jesus loves you even if you’re super contagious",
"Many politicians have openly admitted to being wrong about issues in the past.\n\nTrump is just a jackass.",
"Don't forget clean water too.",
"> [You aren't really a mother until you've lost a child] is why a lot of women I know are anti-abortion. They've lived it.\n\nCongratulations on the most retarded thing I've had the displeasure of reading today.\n\n",
"It depends on if you consider a fetus an anyone. Alot that are pro-choice don't. I personally do, but I'm still for abortion. Because I'd rather 100 babies get killed before they're born than the harm and suffering I see done to unwanted babies or babies of parents with no way to look after them. Most pro-lifers couldn't give a shit what happens to the baby after its born. ",
"... oh... OH! Oh wow... holy shit my brain is misfiring...\n\nI read the \"wasn't an option\" as \"was mandatory\", as in they didn't have a choice to opt out of vaccinations, not as in \"they didn't exist yet\"...\n\nI think I'm just going to go crawl back into bed for a week (no, not really... our first born will be here any day now and I think my brain is frazzled with the wait heh)",
"Wow, I would absolutely expose them in the community especially if they’re being allowed around infants. ",
"My dad lost 2 sisters to diphtheria in the early 40s. So sad. ",
"Yeah, name me one politician that does.",
"This is what happened when contraception wasn't an option.",
"Dude why don't you edit your first comment? You're getting drive-by downvotes because people think you're defending these nut jobs at first glance.",
"I can imagine, I have seen it first hand. Ask some of the parents in the deep south who've no wealth or means to care for their sick children. Perhaps a bigger insult is that it's just the common cold or flu that does it now.\n\nAmerica - where you’re free to let your citizens live like they’re in a third-world country.",
"Somehow I misconstrued this as \"they didn't have the option to not be vaccinated\"... my brain is mud right now",
"I actually used to be a Rodman! That was my first job out of college. Really interesting stuff. All the work I did was for natural gas pipelines.",
"God works in mysterious ways.",
"The guy's a fucking goldmine.\n\nIt's phenomenal and I love how often he puts his foot in his mouth.",
"My grandmother survived diphtheria when it broke out in Philadelphia, only her and one other boy survived in their part of the hospital. Everyone else passed away. She said it was awful, and she lived until she was 99... I really don't understand those who take vaccines for diseases like this for granted. \n\nEdit//sp ",
"Not sure why you are getting so many downvotes. What you said is sadly true. It is quite magnificent how one could simply \"doesn't believe in facts\" which is unimaginable in an educated society.",
"How many women do you know that have lost a child? And how old are they? ",
"Riiiiiight up until assholes start exploiting loopholes in those laws.",
"How often do you get the EXP, once a week, twice a week, every day?\n\n\nDo you have to go to out-of-town doctors and pharmacies to get them or are you getting them repeatedly from the same place?\n\n\nIs there a reason why you aren't you min-maxing your EXP yields to keep them from canceling each other out or is this unavoidable?\n\n\nWhy do you spite people when you get the EXP? Wouldn't it be more advantageous to keep a low profile until after you've fully leveled and no longer need the EXP?\n\n\nI'm asking for a friend.",
"Na reddit doesn't like that part ",
"It is Vester Kirke near Give in Jutland.\n\n\nYou can find a picture of the tombstone on their homepage (in Danish). Apparently the grave is kept by the local church council, probably because of significance of the tradegy. \n\n\nhttp://www.thyregod-vester.dk/page/165/kirkegården",
"Expected doesn't make it less painful. ",
"I am not fully awake yet and read the title as saying this is what happened when *vacation* wasn't possible lol\n\nthought there was going to be a story about some family that faked their deaths because they were worked too hard.\n\nI work too much, I need some time off...",
"I was listening to a podcast the other day and they raised a good point about religion in these days. It was a big deal that your family or loved one went to heaven because ultimately you would too and you would be reunited. They believed in this so strongly that the loss was made easier. ",
"> I might like.... get a lot of EXP for my Autism skill branch.\n\nDamn right\n\nhttps://ci.memecdn.com/10307097.jpg\n\nAbility unlocked: can vaccinate toddlers using only your mind.\n\n",
"3edgy5you?",
"And now we have home schooled anti-vaxers who eat tide pods and ironically don’t believe in evolution. What wouldn’t these parents give for the chance to save their children?!",
"http://www.bbc.com/news/business-31052665\n\nUp to 50k for a Caesarean section.",
"That.... makes perfect sense.\nI obviously jumped the gun coz I read the dates and knew exactly what was meant, but now I feel like a dick coz this makes perfect sense. Sorry for sounding like a dick 😕",
"Well they did use to think bleeding was a good thing lol",
"*didnt run rampant*",
"Im pretty sure CPS would want to meet this family.\n",
"Yeah, somehow I misconstrued this as \"they didn't have the option to not be vaccinated\" not \"the vaccine didn't exist yet\"... my brain is a bowl of mud right now it seems...",
"that was phased out of most vaccines",
"> It’s dumb to take a side on any issue when you don’t know the facts.\n\nHilarious coming from a anti-vaxer",
"You know, this sort of thing sort of helps explain those people who don't believe in birth control and keep pumping out kids.",
"True for the times, though. It was also different in a ten-kid family than now, with only one or two offspring.",
"that last paragraph on wikipedia really shows the importance of vaccines: \n\n> In 2015, 4,500 cases were officially reported worldwide, down from nearly 100,000 in 1980. About a million cases a year are believed to have occurred before the 1980s. Diphtheria currently occurs most often in sub-Saharan Africa, India, and Indonesia. In 2015, it resulted in 2,100 deaths, down from 8,000 deaths in 1990. In areas where it is still common, children are most affected. It is rare in the developed world due to widespread vaccination. In the United States, 57 cases were reported between 1980 and 2004.\n\nMostly happens in poor places with no vaccines now, used to kill about a million a year before 1980s... ",
"Alternative.....facts",
"Smallpox was only eradicated because a lot of people were literally dragged, kicking and screaming, through the vaccination process. And because of that we have gotten rid of a deadly and basically entirely preventable disease. \n\n\n\nSource: https://www.npr.org/2011/04/05/135121451/how-the-pox-epidemic-changed-vaccination-rules",
"For real I'm sitting here going \"why is everyone spelling diarrhea wrong.\"",
"My father lost his two brothers and two sisters the same way when they were just toddlers.RIP.",
"Fluoride for sure",
"Only when the media corners them with questions or they do it per-emptively as a PR move.",
"I don't like the anthropocentric ideas of religion, puts us in a lot of shit.",
"The same study said vaccines cause Autism and Crohn's disease. No one seems to care about that half of the fake study though...",
"Massive shout outs to people who get their flu vaccines. I’m allergic to it and have never been able to get it, but I’ve also never gotten the flu because of the responsibility of everyone else, so thank you!",
"Basically every family used to go through this. Even the Kings and noblemen. ",
"Someone died of plague in China in 2014",
"Didn't know it was mandatory in Slo. I know its mandatory in Croatia since around 2014.",
"Something changed over the past forty years. I don’t know what it is but something is different. ",
"Oh no, not more proof that vaccination is good! I hate it when my backward ass way of thinking is challenged... /s",
"you're simply articulating a false definition of freedom\n\nif i *know* that i don't vaccinate i can hurt or kill someone, i am *consciously* choosing to threaten the freedom of someone else to live and be free of disease\n\nthis is the real threat to freedom \n\nmeanwhile, some govt guy pointing a gun in your face going \"vaccinate or else\" is NOT a threat to your freedom\n\nbecause he is simply protecting us from YOUR threat to OUR freedom\n\nis a policeman pointing a gun at a bank robber destruction of freedom?\n\nno, it's preventing some guy denying us our freedom by denying us our money\n\nin the same way forcing someone to not be irresponsible by forcing them to vaccinate is protecting our freedom\n\nit all comes down to this: *there is no such thing as freedom in irresponsible behavior*\n\nif you KNOW you are hurting someone else, you are denying freedom, not exercising freedom\n",
"Most families did, and the population didn't even grow that rapidly because lots of children used to die. Anti-vaxxers tend to not know that.\n\n",
"I don't like this version of The Very Hungry Caterpillar",
"Jesus saves our immortal souls, not our mortal bodies.",
"They didn't say it wasn't Danish. They said it was intelligible to them because they studied Swedish. ",
"My mind read that as \"vacationing\" 20 times over. I was shocked at how over working people could lead to such a short life span.",
"Yes, you will die.\n\nProbably not from this infection, though.\n",
"Well this really out things in perspective",
"Pretty sure the title is saying that vaccinations are good… I don’t see anti-vaccination hate in the OP. ",
">Nobody is forcibly making people wear seatbelts. \n \n\nWell you could argue that no law is being forcibly applied to anyone. ",
"His point was that the languages are pretty much the same written. \n\n",
"That is however the practical result. \n\nHumans are prone to wishful thinking and poor risk management. The fact that we don't have common childhood mortality means a lot of people are more willing to take risks with those outcomes. Mrs. Larsen probably would bitch slap everyone of those anti-vax parents for the reckless child endangerment that being anti-vax actually is.\n",
"He is with us in the eternal life beyond this carnal realm.",
"I have 5 children. \n\nAges 18, 13, 6 and 3 yr old twins. \n\nWe do what our pediatrician tells us and this post still scares me. \n\nAnd here I was thinking that I had a bad weekend because it took so long to replace our toilet in the master bath. \n\nAll my kids are alive, it's a beautiful day. ",
"That's interesting data, thanks! I'm not sure if you're trying to make a specific point, but just to clarify, I was responding to OP's comment that \"people had children for different reasons in the past as compared with modern times.\" My point is that in developing countries, the reasons for having children (eg. \"needing a bunch to work the farm\") may still differ from the reasons we have children in developed countries.",
"It's realdonaldtrump, you can even click it and see that account has 46m followers. It's the real one. ",
"I can assure you, he's the most naturally immune man you'll ever meet. No one's more naturally immune to disease than he is. He's very blessed in that department.",
"Depends. Will people say stupid shit I have to comment on?",
"I have one of 3 3yo triplets dying the day before Christmas. Vaccinate your kids people",
"They probably didn't even have caesarian back then",
"Fuck off ",
"Neither are the people seeking to be dicks with exploiting poorly worded laws.",
"Work from morning until night, six days a week, no vacations and still find time to procreate. ",
"Depends what you call normal. They have some the of the highest rates of mental illness and suicide.",
">No one is saying that.\n\nNo, it's heavily implied by the title and the presentation of the OP.\n\n> And I think it's obvious you know that and are acting ignorant to try to prove some kind of point. \n\nNah, what's obvious is the \"by any means necessary\" circlejerk going on in this thread. Anti-vaxxers are an extreme, very small group of people. I'd go so far as to say that less than 1% of the US population are anti-vaxxers. OPs post was specifically tailored to appeal to emotions of a huge group of people who almost certainly *already agree with the message*. There's no anti-vaxxers in this thread coming out of the woodwork to argue against what OP pointed out, there was no anti-vax argument going on here to begin with.\n\nHe's just karma whoring over the bodies of dead children from 100 years ago, but because everyone here agrees with the message, apparently that's totally ok.",
"Not necessarily. Think of \"kommer hid I piger små\". Imperative ending in -er is a now extinct grammatical case. [sovs](http://journals.lub.lu.se/index.php/anf/article/viewFile/11545/10233)",
">Majority rule is mob rule. \n\nLetting people do whatever they want with no regard to the others who have to share the planet with you is anarchy. You're not 12 years old, are you, junior? \n",
"Fuck me, wish I had have screwed 13 times",
"Might not have been last year but look it up. I remember hearing that statistic but it was 3 weeks ago",
"Exactly. So why should i care that you have no humor?",
"4chan",
"You say you were being sarcastic but I think you actually meant what you said and are now saying it was just “sarcasm” to stop the downvote train.",
"But if you were vaccinated wouldn’t that block whatever disease a non vaccinated person supposedly could carry? You wouldn’t be in mortal danger because you were vaccinated. Isn’t that the point of vaccinations? I never understood this argument. ",
"Translation from Danish:\n\n\"In memory of teacher L.H. Larsen and his wife Emilies five children who died from diphtheria in 1903\"\n\nBottom text under the names: \"Jesus stays with me\"",
"Nah just spreading some other New World Order propaganda. \n\nThis place is a transparent mouthpiece for them. Its so obvious. ",
"115 years too late.",
"F",
"Aw shit, it is good ole Captain Tripps",
"But hey, at least they aren't autistic, right? \n\nFuck antivaxxers. ",
"Reasons like not having the option to.",
"A shaky limb?",
"Damn they all died within 4 days. That poor family. Heil vaccines",
"It also is the worlds largest charity organization, brings people together, and transcends language and culture. \n\n\nCertain religions are behind the times and dangerous as well as sects from each, but the same can be said about economics and politics",
"That, and with many children, there is most likely at least one to take care of you when you're sick or old.\n\nChildren were your workforce, health insurance and pension fund once they survived childhood.",
"It's not fucking \"hard to take sides\". \n\nVaccines are good and you should get them. If you don't you can end up in a graveyard like those kids and drag a lot of people there with you. ",
"On his last day alive he knew his wife and children were all dead. Damn...\n\n\n\n\n... Daniel ",
"If anyone remembers the story of Balto, diphtheria antitoxin is what he was carrying to Nome, AK. ",
"Yes! I was thinking ‘wait they couldn’t holiday so they killed themselves?’.",
"How sad. I can't even imagine a world like this. We are so privileged these days.",
"My uncle (in his late 70s) couldn't have children because he caught the mumps when he was 20. His wife suffered several miscarriages.",
"Or they'll say diphtheria disappeared because of better sanitation 😡",
"Lack of vaccination destroys herd immunity and puts everyone at risk, so it's a global social issue, not just a personal / individual one.",
"new zealand is half a day ahead of me and a bit, so its why i guessed it. ",
">Anti-vaxxing is a disease, a mass-hysteria, that should be treated by any means necessary. \n\nThat's easily the scariest thing I've read all day.",
"*its best\n\nDude, if you are going rag on someone's spelling, it has to be correct. ",
"I will print this quote on a giant ass poster so my flat Earth / anti vaxxer neighbors can see this",
"Continue reading, that in the ensuing 18+ plus years since being identified, mercury has been removed by reformulation and/or the vaccines containing the trace amounts of that mercury have expired and are no longer in use. I feel like you and I are on the same page with regards to the lack of danger posed by these vaccines, but I just find it scary to even give some of the anti-vaxxers even a foothold worth of information... They're shortsighted and tone deaf, and stop reading whenever it suits them. ",
"Fuck me I've had one the last few days. Looks like it's not diphtheria thankfully lol",
"Read vaccination as vacation and was thoroughly confused. ",
"There was an event he explained his reasoning. Apparently he started off vaccinating the kids and all, but one of his coworkers (iirc) kid got truly ill from a vaccine. (Side note: I would bet some sort of allergic reaction - there are still quite a few things in there that *could* be harmful to those with specific allergies) Anyhow, kid ended up with some sort of brain damage as a result. That changed his position on it.\n\nFrankly, if such a thing happened in my own family, I could easily see me taking on a much more pessimistic view as well.\n\nFound the video where he talks about that... not sure if true. If it is, again, I can see how that could taint ones view.\n\nhttps://youtu.be/AffuKjGV6BA?t=1m55s\n\nHe has talked about this in other venues as well.",
"OMG! Hurry get some Mercurius cyanatus or Kali muriaticum.. [Might as well try all 9.\n](https://treatment.hpathy.com/homeo-medicine/homeopathy-diphtheria/)",
"So why not push for meaningful reform of the FDA rather than throw what seems to be a dangerous and childish protest? \n\nIf what you say is true, then that movement has had the most absurdly bad communication strategy ever. Like vegans working at McDonalds bad.\n",
"so if someone is vaccinated they can get the disease from someone who is not?",
"Yes you're protected by herd immunity. Unfortunately it's unvaccinated people wandering about in public that are the main reason that severely immunocompromised people can't leave the house. You could be a carrier for a nasty virus that could kill a chemo patient quickly. My grandpa was basically on house arrest while he went through chemo. I'm sure it was hell on him, not even able to go to the grocery store unless he wore a mask and scrubbed himself meticulously. Out of fear of dying I think he just stayed home.",
"And lack of clean water; lack of proper food for the babies; lack of proper equipment to monitor the babies; lack of cleanliness; lack of knowledge.",
"Every woman on my mom's side of the family. Miscarriage, stillbirth, abortion. They're all super against it, and I don't blame them.",
"\"Better than my kid getting autism\" - antivaxxer",
"I’m curious as to why so many chiropractors think it’s their job to advertise that vaccines are bad.",
"Are there non vegetarian cigarettes?",
"Watching Bob Ross videos.",
"Is it though? I mean how is it transmitted",
"There weren't vaccines thats the reason these kids weren't vaccinated\n\nPlus the original post was clearly /s ",
"Hey! I really don't care! Alright! ",
"The real LPT are always in the comments.",
"In addition to what the other guy said, there are children who genuinely can't be vaccinated due to immune disorders etc and by not vaccinating your child you put them at risk. It's hard because vaccinations cause genuine harms but there has to be a cost benefit calculation. It certainly doesn't help that it's seen as such a black and white issue and people on both sides get ideological about it. ",
"They had a kid called Jesus Larsen?",
"[Stevens-Johnson syndrome](https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Stevens%E2%80%93Johnson_syndrome) \n\nFirst time I encountered it was in a ICU as a nurse. Woman had it bad, but did survive. Taking care of her was something though =/ ",
"Is that what’s makin our frogs gay?",
"That's the thing though, you're not free to hurt your child, and failing to vaccinate does that, statistically speaking.",
"I’m not sure I’d call being able to continue living a privilege. ",
"Did they die in a house fire?",
"Ah the Crusader Kings 2 is realistic after all.",
"Yeah. My own mother like to tell me how weird it was. But when I got older and moved out on my own I found myself in a therapist office because there was a possibility of getting admitted somewhere lol. \n\nSomehow I grew up and got through the educational system of the United States with moderate or level two autism. I still somewhat tiptoe especially upstairs. I flap my hands when I get stressed out, I still can't make eye contact in public places and I rely on visual schedules and index card to do lists to get things done. So in my opinion I know that it could be worse but there still significant things that I have to do on a daily basis to make sure that I remain this way.\n\n🤷🏻♀️",
"A kid came in to my country (a third world country where vaccines are a luxury if it wasn't for off shore aid) this week with measles from a trip to Germany... I couldn't help to think with this post in the kids that will have the same faith if they also get it :(",
"My great grandfather on my father’s side had 6 siblings. All 7 of them survived childhood. Five of them lived into their 80s and 90s, one died in his 60s, and the other doesn’t have adequate records - he married, but no record of children or when he died.\n\nMy great grandfather had 8 daughters, the youngest was my grandma (born in 1920). All of them survived to adulthood and lived into their 80s and 90s. \n\n\nMy maternal grandmother only had a twin sister. I’m struggling to find any prior records of her parents before a 1940 census (when my grandma was 16). I believe my great grandmother was a single mother and her husband was a fabrication. ",
"I assume this is the vaccine that doctors call DTAP?",
"But vaccines are hurting our children!",
"Shit I just deal with a friend with bi-polar disorder and all I wanna do is shoot myself because of how depressing this dude's existence is. Like he's so bad at life, he can't even kill himself properly. Tree branches have snapped twice when he's tried to hang himself. I think his blood is so thick from all the shit he eats that he managed to slow his bleed rate enough that he couldn't bleed out after cutting because someone found him in time, and the 3 times he's tried swallowing all his pills it didn't work and he got his stomach pumped a few hours later. ",
"Sometimes I feel sorry for clean water. Vaccines get all the credit.",
"Did you read his comment history? I have a hard time believing someone could devote so much time to telling the world how much contempt he has for his kid if he really had one.",
"Or, God gave humans and other life internal systems to deal with these things. Indeed, if you stipulate there is a God, it's probable the very intelligence God gave man was the reason we can circumvent/meddle with the normal weeding out of people who could not fight off certain illnesses through their own genetics. Sure, we can now simulate that in individuals, but the genetics with the weakness can now pass on, often requiring this new method to avoid horrible diseases. The result? Rich/fortunate/privileged people can protect their children while poor/unfortunate/disadvantaged people STILL endure these heartbreaking situations. Maybe people who can afford land and stone monuments to their dead don't have to anymore, but let's not pretend everyone benefits from this or forget those who don't. Thank science for the vaccinations, but who gets the blame now for the hundreds of thousands who still die this way?",
"Maybe in first world countries where we have high survival rates for children, but in impovershed areas its mainly for survival of the family. ",
">Because seat belts don't inject things into your body\n\nHow about insulin then - insulin has to be injected, and not administering insulin to a diabetic child will result in certain death. Do you think that patents should have the right to murder their child by withholding insulin?",
"Spanish flu killed entire towns full of people. Coupled with the fact so many were dying in the war, ghost towns cropped up everywhere.\n\nWhen you've lost your entire family and everyone you know and are now the sole occupant in a town which used to have over a thousand people in it... I don't know how you mentally recover from that. Moving away or suicide are probably the only two options.",
"Tide pods help clean the tongue",
"Well I am personally against seat belt laws, child restraint laws, and helmet laws. Also not everywhere has those exact same laws.\n\nI however support vaccines... but do not support having them forced upon people. Heck you could say forced vaccination leads to complacency and outbreaks in the future when people think the disease no longer is a threat and stop vaccinating for it.\n\nAlso not getting vaccinated does not put other people at risk if they get vaccinated... so your argument is ignorant and does not help your case against antivax nutjobs.",
"I can't imagine giving birth to 16 children!! My vagina would sew itself shut and say NOPE after the first 4 or 5..",
"But you bet *they didn't have autism*. Checkmate stupid science people.",
"It’s called herd immunity. You’ve been lucky because most or all the people around you are protected. You’re welcome.",
"Science is not democratic. 2+2=4, no matter how many people vote that 2+2=5 instead. You are free to try demonstrating that it is equal to 5 but until you have proof it will always be 4.",
"My high school's only sex ed was a single class consisting of a photo slideshow of different STDs. Needless to say, it worked for most of us.",
"A 5 day house fire?",
"So vaccines have remained the same since then? They haven’t changed and your government has not become more powerful since then?",
"Nay. Definitely Nay.",
"I thought back then people had huge families because they wanted the kids to work the farm, or most of the kids died off so they need to pass on the name",
"Yeah I have no reason to research this stuff because I don't intend on having kids and I don't go around looking for debates about this stuff, it's not my field of interest. But if I do ever have kids I'll probably look into it, but by that time the environment will be completely different.\n\nAside from that, painting everyone with the same brush and being a jackass to people never works.",
"And yet a whole pile of manipulated and misinformed fools want to return to a time like this.",
"it's only 3am there, so not really that much of the day is done",
"Two things....\n\n1. given the timeframe and mortality rate of diphtheria, they probably had time to prepare themselves for the inevitable and were focused on preventing any other children from contracting it. \n\n2. This is difficult to type but I have to believe there is a diminishing return on the amount of grief parents can suffer. After you lose 2-3 kids, is there truly a discernible difference in the amount of pain and suffering one can experience from losing 5-6? I have to believe, err, **want to believe** that at some point they focused on how blessed they were to have any surviving children (if they did). ",
"Like alternative facts",
"There are four lights!",
"Read his history. He doesn't want or love his son. He literally says that in his posts. Of course nobody wants their kid to be autistic, but the dude said it selfishly, not selflessly. ",
"Read his comment history ",
"But muh autism",
"I see.",
"The duggars on tv are the perfect example. Baptists with 19 kids. Religion also impacts it because many very religious folks wont use birth control. I dont know if its mandatory for certain religions but it seems to be encouraged by some religions like mormonism and catholicism. \n\nAlso poor folks. Poor folks have larger families. \n\nAt least today thats how it is. I dont know about 125 years ago. But id imagine well off families still had smaller families back then because of better medical care. \n\n",
"It's hardly the same thing.",
"It's Monday, it's early...",
"In my country, police monitor seatbelt use and issue penalties. That's all cool. My point is specifically about doctors - they don't want to impose public health logic on their doctor-patient relationship - apart from anything else, doing so makes it more likely the family will avoid contact with doctors and suffer multiple health harms as a consequence. ",
"I’m not putting you down for what you believe, all I ask is that you do the same. I know several people, and one friend I’ve lost to vaccines. Look up the deaths and injuries online, the records are for everyone. My eldest sister was in a coma for 2 weeks after her MMR. Don’t shit on me because I don’t agree with you.",
"Yeah i put the \" to enphathyze how fucked up the whole concept is.",
"I'm Danish anyway so might be I'll go and check it out on my next vacation back home to the flat land with no mountains or rivers",
"RedditMD",
"Heck",
"I have to say, I've had better. ",
"Autism is a devastating diagnosis. You spend the first two years of your child's life pouring everything into them. With each passing milestone, you look ahead to the next. You watch them roll and get excited to see them crawl, then walk, then maybe someday run track for their high school, then maybe someday compete in the Olympics. You watch them babble and get excited to see them say their first words, then speak fluently, then maybe someday give the veledictorian speech at graduation, then maybe someday address the nation or the world. \n\nWhen a child is diagnosed with autism all of that comes to a screeching halt. It isn't just the disappointment of things *yet to come* it is the destruction of things you have already built up in your mind. To you, your child was perfect before and something must have happened along the way. \n\nYou panic and go through every single mistake wondering where you went wrong. Did I breastfeed to much? Too little? Did they get enough social interaction? Too much? You think back to every high stress moment in your child's life. The time the dog barked and they got so scared they cried for 20 minutes. The time you got so fed up you told them to shut up. The time they put a handful of dryer lint in their mouth and you spent the next day finding grey balls in their drool. \n\nYou are flooded with guilt. You could have been better. Your mind lands on those few moments in the doctors office, holding your child's arms down while the doctor sticks. You remember the horrified look of betrayal in your child's eyes. You remember the inconsolable screaming. You remember the doctor shrugging and saying, \"see you in a couple months\".\n\nBlaming the vaccines are a convenient way of taking the blame off yourself, while still convincing yourself that something could have been different. The truth, as far as science can tell, is that autism starts much, much earlier, quite possibly in utero. \n\nI can absolutely sympathize with parents whose children have been diagnosed with autism and who are searching for someone or something to blame. But the science just doesn't back up the claim that it is vaccines. I wish there was a cure or known cause for autism, but we will never get closer to finding a cure or known cause if we continue to ignore science.",
"Antivaxxers are some of the most stupid and dangerous people on earth. ",
"Or contraception ",
"That was the joke. ",
"Because my generation of children is no less healthy than today's, but the [number of vaccines has vastly increased.](https://images.search.yahoo.com/images/view;_ylt=AwrB8ptg72VaACIANIE.nIlQ;_ylu=X3oDMTIyMDNpbzlhBHNlYwNzcgRzbGsDaW1nBG9pZANhZmFhMzcyNzRlNmMzZjYwMjRiYzcyYjFmZWZjZTQ5ZQRncG9zAzEEaXQDYmluZw--?.origin=&back=https%3A%2F%2Fimages.search.yahoo.com%2Fyhs%2Fsearch%3Fp%3Ddifference%2Bin%2Bnumber%2Bof%2Bvaccines%2Bbetween%2Bthe%2B80%2527s%2Band%2Btoday%26n%3D60%26ei%3DUTF-8%26fr%3Dyhsm-mozilla-002%26fr2%3Dsb-top-images.search.yahoo.com%26hsimp%3Dyhsm-002%26hspart%3Dmozilla%26tab%3Dorganic%26ri%3D1&w=461&h=597&imgurl=truthfrequencyradio.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2015%2F08%2Fshots-then-and-now.jpg&rurl=http%3A%2F%2Ftruthfrequencyradio.com%2Flook-at-the-number-of-vaccines-when-you-were-a-child-vs-now-plus-annual-flu-shot%2F&size=50.5KB&name=Look+at+the+%3Cb%3ENumber%3C%2Fb%3E+%3Cb%3Eof+VACCINES%3C%2Fb%3E&p=difference+in+number+of+vaccines+between+the+80%27s+and+today&oid=afaa37274e6c3f6024bc72b1fefce49e&fr2=sb-top-images.search.yahoo.com&fr=yhsm-mozilla-002&tt=Look+at+the+%3Cb%3ENumber%3C%2Fb%3E+%3Cb%3Eof+VACCINES%3C%2Fb%3E&b=0&ni=84&no=1&ts=&tab=organic&sigr=13gn138n6&sigb=16uv8r1e6&sigi=129qu0s42&sigt=11cb8pe1d&sign=11cb8pe1d&.crumb=Fj9PtETP3Qx&fr=yhsm-mozilla-002&fr2=sb-top-images.search.yahoo.com&hsimp=yhsm-002&hspart=mozilla)\n\n\nHere's [another more current list.](https://images.search.yahoo.com/images/view;_ylt=AwrB8ptg72VaACIANoE.nIlQ;_ylu=X3oDMTIyN2p1bnM4BHNlYwNzcgRzbGsDaW1nBG9pZANiMTI5Y2Y2OTk0MTVmMmIzYjE0Nzc5ODZjMDA4ZDVkMwRncG9zAzMEaXQDYmluZw--?.origin=&back=https%3A%2F%2Fimages.search.yahoo.com%2Fyhs%2Fsearch%3Fp%3Ddifference%2Bin%2Bnumber%2Bof%2Bvaccines%2Bbetween%2Bthe%2B80%2527s%2Band%2Btoday%26n%3D60%26ei%3DUTF-8%26fr%3Dyhsm-mozilla-002%26fr2%3Dsb-top-images.search.yahoo.com%26hsimp%3Dyhsm-002%26hspart%3Dmozilla%26tab%3Dorganic%26ri%3D3&w=600&h=781&imgurl=cdn-images-1.medium.com%2Fmax%2F600%2F1%2A09ZOpENHBoBqC-5nWl2wcw.jpeg&rurl=https%3A%2F%2Fcircleofdocs.com%2Fthe-only-vaccine-guide-a-new-parent-will-ever-need%2F&size=147.7KB&name=The+Only+%3Cb%3EVaccine%3C%2Fb%3E+Guide+a+New+Parent&p=difference+in+number+of+vaccines+between+the+80%27s+and+today&oid=b129cf699415f2b3b1477986c008d5d3&fr2=sb-top-images.search.yahoo.com&fr=yhsm-mozilla-002&tt=The+Only+%3Cb%3EVaccine%3C%2Fb%3E+Guide+a+New+Parent&b=0&ni=84&no=3&ts=&tab=organic&sigr=12cp33cse&sigb=16uaeq192&sigi=11t61k294&sigt=11a027bvf&sign=11a027bvf&.crumb=Fj9PtETP3Qx&fr=yhsm-mozilla-002&fr2=sb-top-images.search.yahoo.com&hsimp=yhsm-002&hspart=mozilla)",
"No from a documentary a while back. But my numbers were a bit off sorry. According to wikipedia:\n\n&nbsp;\n\n>According to Blackless, Fausto-Sterling et al., 1.7 percent of human births are intersex, including variations that may not become apparent until, for example, puberty, or until attempting to conceive.[136][137] Some clinicians do not favor such definitions. According to Leonard Sax, intersex should be \"restricted to those conditions in which chromosomal sex is inconsistent with phenotypic sex, or in which the phenotype is not classifiable as either male or female\", around 0.018%. This definition excludes Klinefelter syndrome and many other variations.[138] He in turn criticizes Fausto-Sterling for counting Late-Onset Congenital Adrenal Hyperplasia for 88% of her figure. His rebuttal concludes,\n\n\n\n&nbsp;\n\n\nAlso less than 2% of the worlds population has red hair. So i would argue that red hair is not normal either.",
"Whatever you have to tell yourself",
"> In 2015, 4,500 cases were officially reported worldwide, down from nearly 100,000 in 1980. About a million cases a year are believed to have occurred before the 1980s. \n\nAt a 5-10% death rate, the people who developed and distributed vaccines for diphtheria and other diseases are responsible for saving easily millions of lives. The people determined to convince others NOT to vaccinate their kids, if allowed to spread, could potentially be on the hook for causing deaths on the same scale as Hitler, Stalin, or Mao.\n\nWe need to vaccinate the world against anti-vaxxers.\n",
"That is Danish for \"Jesus stay with me\". In Norwegian it would mean \"Jesus stays with piss.\" ",
"Part of me feels that it would be better if the parents didn’t have any other kids. Both for the parents and surviving kids. \n\nImagine losing that many siblings. That your parents had to explain why death and how it’s permanent. Or every time you got sick, how they would have to relive that week. How much survivors guilt you would have. How your parents would feel when you made them mad. \n\nI hope that the parents didn’t have to carry on much longer after that. I can only imagine the mental anguish. \n\nEdit: a letter",
"Vaccines are a must. They should not be government mandated. \n\nWe should not write laws around an uneducated populous. \n\nWe don’t have laws saying: Unprotected sex is forbidden. \n\nWe educate people on why they should protect themselves. \n\nNo amount of advertising (propaganda) is going to convince me “Let me put this in your body or else you’ll be prosecuted” is a good thing \n\n",
"Sounds exactly like the strep throat I had a few months ago. Didn't look that bad though",
"I understood that as \"Jesus believe in Me\", which makes this even sadder",
"Some vaccines literally list death as a side effect. Infanrix for example. It really is a tough decision. I know vaccines brought a lot of good years ago but today's injections are packed with so much unnecessary shit that it's scary.",
"Translations\n\nJeus bliver hos mig:\nJesus stays with me\n\nand on the small plaque:\nIn memory of L.H. Larsen and wife Emilie's five children who died of diphtheria in 1903\n\nDanish",
"10 more anyway",
"1903\nPlus \n\n/u/JohanEmil007\n\n\nThe sign on the left say:\n\n\n\"In memory of teacher L.H. Larsen and his wife Emilie's five children who died of difteritis in 1903\"\n\n\nIt's in Danish.",
">Me too thanks\n\n#ITS SPREADING\n\n\n>r/spreadaroo\n\n>Upvote for lulz\n\n\n#MAKE IT STOP\n\n>^^**ASSIMILATE**\n\n",
"> If you lived to adulthood there was a good chance you were making it to 65+ years\n\nnot quite. 65 is very modern. that would was certainly not common in developed countries before the mid 1900's.\n\nfrom what I've read 40's seems to be typical expectancy past childhood, with ~50% child mortality, in societies before Late Middle Ages.",
"I don't know if I could make it. I lost my son in September and it's taking a lot of work to keep going everyday. They had to be some strong people.",
"Learned everything I needed to know about diphtheria from Balto. ",
"Yes, vaccines are not 100% effective. That's why herd immunity is so important.",
" Well, that's just like your dumb opinion, man. ",
"It was a dumb joke and you're an idiot.",
"And you are so very, very special that you just happen to KNOW DER TROOF!!1ONE1!\n\nKeep that tinfoil on tight, friend, its windy out there.",
"PrimadonnaGril, d. 23 Jan 2018\n\nSorryIfIDissedYou, d. 24 Jan 2018",
">Disease and death are part of the universe. If we didn't have them, what would be the point of life?\n\nDoes life have a \"point\"? And is that \"point\" the same for every conscious being?\n\nBecause I tell yah diseases aren't part of my take on the \"point\" of life.",
"turn that frown upside down...",
"Not only that, but my wife and I made a trip to the hospital yesterday thinking that it was time... nope, baby isn't quite ready to appear yet! Argh lol... I can't wait to hold this kid!",
"And they say our sex ed classes are bad. \n\n\nI think ours was around the same. That and a story about the teacher's friend who had to get his dick smashed with a mallet to get the urethra cleared so he could piss.",
"I don’t want to diminish the tragedy of this, but yes you’re right. I live in a “developing country” where dying young is more common than my native USA. Death happens and the way it’s treated here is far different than in the West, life is harder/different, you know?",
"No deaths from ... flu? On what planet??",
"It’s not just that. There are a rise of certain diseases that are never seen like polio in certain areas where these kids aren’t being vaccinated. Small pox was “eradicated” and there are zero infected at this time. This does not mean the Variola bacteria’s could not be dormant somewhere on earth or in some insect or animal we haven’t discovered yet. The point is, there is a reason we still get smallpox vaccinations, and all vaccinations for that matter. \n",
"How you holdin up?",
"A lot of the ones I know simply don't believe that their unvaccinated child will catch anything. \"If she gets sick we'll just go to the hospital, it'll be fine.\"",
"I thought the measles line was obvious enough. It's morning though, people need their coffee.",
"This is one major reason why anti vaxxers exist, because they've never seen the illnesses vaccines prevent against. They have read that there are rare side effects to vaccines with consequences they *have* seen, like a severe allergic reaction or seizures (very rare), so to them, the possibility of the side effects seems much more likely than polio. ",
"because not all vaccines take\n\nthere is something called herd immunity. if enough people vaccinate, the disease can't establish enough chances to grow and spread\n\nbut if enough people don't vaccinate, then the disease can find the swiss cheese holes and spread\n\n...spread to people who don't vaccinate, yes\n\nbut also too:\n\n1. people with weak immune systems, such as the old and the sick with serious diseases like cancer\n2. infants not vaccinated yet. people who don't vaccinate are literally helping to kill babies\n3. people who were responsible and got vaccinated but for whatever reason the vaccine just didn't work\n\nin this way the innocent are hurt even killed by the irresponsible\n",
"That’s just fucking heart breaking. ",
"This was diphtheria per the translation, so that's the TDAP.\n\nWhich is also a great vaccine because it prevents diphtheria as well as tetanus and whooping cough. It's the reason why I'm not going to die a miserable death because I cut myself on rusty metal in my backyard! ",
"A lot of people don't realize they need booster tetanus-diphtheria shots every ten years.",
"Did you live through it?",
"yeah... kinda feel like its in bad taste to use their tragedy for internet points and circlejerking against anti vaxxers. ",
"Click here to know the secrets of medicine to save money on healthcare. Doctors HATE this !",
"It most certainly is very contagious. It spreads from sick people to healthy people through the air or by touching the same object. Also through contaminated food. Hundred years ago there was no way to quarantine family members in time to protect them. ",
"RIP. ",
"Never got tge idea of having kids if you can't support them. You see starving kids in africa. Why have kids that are gonna starve? If you are poor, is that not a great reason not to have kids?",
"I read ”vacations”. Was somewhat confused.",
"Take a look at Utah. ",
"My mom and both her sisters came with with diphtheria when they were children. My oldest aunt was 10, then 8, and my mom was the baby at 5. The two oldest had to be hospitalized and the 10 year old died. My mom named me after her. They were all perfectly healthy beforehand too.",
"Thank you! I'm guessing it's Norwegian...? Danish? Any of the sacndinavians?\n\n\nEdit: I see those o's with a slash, so definitely not Swedish..right? ",
">How would you feel if the government told you that everyone's left pinky was causing cancer and ordered that everyone have their left pinky removed?\n\nIf this was backed up by multiple decades of studies and was being called a good decision by the entire worldwide medical community, literally from the US to North Korea, then my bitch ass would cut my fucking pinky off myself.\n\n>They should never have power over our bodies. \n\nYou mean like they do right now if you're admitted to a mental health facility and are forced to take meds",
"Somebody should show this to Oprah.",
"Kind of the point. Were at a point where becoming crippled by polio isnt a real concern, or dying from measles etc. Wasnt always the case, still isnt in some places.",
"It must have been completely devastating.\n\nNot just losing your children, but also the realisation that there's now likely no-one to look after you in your old age",
"Uplifting spin... We've come so far as a species, we no longer have to face this type of sorrow in many places. We have work to do still, obviously, but today, a family is unlikely to suffer this same painful loss. That's progress. We can't change the past, but we can make a better future. ",
"There’s an extra layer of sadness to this that doesn’t come across here: parents who lost a child under 5 would oftentimes give their next child the same name. \n\nI’m sure there are different reasons (legacy, trying to block out the memory of losing them, etc.), but when I saw that multiple times in my ancestry, it hit me hard and made me thankful that our babies make it to adulthood so much more frequently than in the past.",
"Getting your kids vaccinated is a literal roll of the dice. Good luck. 👍🏼 ",
"It was Kanye",
"> Miscarriage, stillbirth, abortion.\n\nOne of these things is not like the other...",
"I think there is a reddit term for this now, but it's a fairly common sentiment.\n\nSomeone post something Trump said or did that seems to be sensationalized or taken out of context, you check to see what actually happened, you see what happened was exactly what was said, and you deposit it to your every grown bank of no fucking way.",
"My point...",
"“Ripped” from their mother’s womb in the 9th month. My daughter was “ripped” from my womb in the 8th month, it’s called a c-section.",
"What language is it?",
"Something along the lines of \"as a father of an autistic child, id give anything for him to be normal\". And his history was full of \"my child was an accident and it sucks\". I might have his username remembered. If you want it, pm",
"Dilly Dilly",
"I understand that and it's why I fully support vaccination, but it's not everyone's responsibility to take medications to safeguard the well-being of everyone else. And definitely not at gunpoint.",
"Except the TDAP the last few years hasn’t been as effective as they thought. They changed the structure and didn’t realize and fix the problem until 2015. So I was told to update my families vaccinations. \n\nSource presently have pertussis.\n",
"Not really. I'm more than free to avoid crowded public areas during disease time. I'm not anti vacine but people have the rights to decide for themselves and their families what's best for them. I can argue they're wrong, show evidence etc. \n \nBut honestly I don't want Mercury being pumped into me just like I don't want to ingest floride. I know that a lot of vaccines have gotten rid of the Mercury in them and it's 100% a response to antivacers they did it. Was this level of Mercury dangerous? Fuck if I know, I know that there are acceptable amounta of a lot of poisons in our water and food, doesn't mean you have to allow any into yourself. \n \nAnd the government in general is wrong about a lot of stuff that at the time is scienctific for them to make decisions that we deem terrible later. So I'd rather have people able to make their own choices. I wear a seatbelt but people shouldn't have to if they don't want to. ",
"You are probably right, my bad.",
"...is dumb. ",
"A hundred years ago (even 50 years) and back through history, humans lived much more intimately with death. Children died young, men and women in their prime, not just from disease but from the daily activities of life (farm accidents, weather, starvation, the flu). People died at home, cared for by family, not in hospitals. \nAs a debate -- not emotion -- is it possible that as medicine, work-safety, nutrition, etc., have made death more distant from most people's daily lives, we've also become less familiar with life? Is the creeping nature of our living a greater share of our lives via technology, and with less intimacy, partly a result of our efforts to protect/shield us from death and the value it might have helped us put on life?",
"I mean, everyone who had one of these has been fucked mentally from it. ",
"Technically, it is still used for treatment of hereditary hemochromotosis. In a much more researched and controlled environment, of course. ",
"Imagine being poor farmers and only having enough money to buy vaccine for *some* of your kids. You have to pick who survives. This happened in my grandfathers family in rural Ontario in the 30s.",
"[\"Then there's diphtheria-tetanus, what they call dip-tet. They need dip-tet boosters yearly, or they develop lockjaw and night vision.\"](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jO93iNoAXdA)",
"Weekend at Bernies 5.0",
"Very different meaning if you accidentally read as \"...when vacation wasn't an option\"",
"In a perfect world yes, but this world is far from perfect. You'd be amazed at the number of people who have to go to fertility doctors to get pregnant. I've been there with my ex-wife. It's one of those things that a TON of people go through but never talk about. As you get older it gets harder to conceive as well. ",
"yes, so we need to make vaccines mandatory. medical exceptions only",
"Yeah...frustration is one thing, but when you have an entire side account to talk about how much you hate your kid I start to worry about their wellbeing.\n\nPlus, his comment history is pretty much identical to how my friend's mother talked about her (I try, but she's so frustrating! I didn't want her in the first place! Why did I have to get stuck with a freak?! Her being around forces me to stay with her father!). She beat her bloody regularly. It's not exactly like she told people THAT part when complaining about how poorly her kid acted.\n\nJust all around really fucking bad vibes.",
"Fuck.... Dealing with 3 mothers about to loose their sons here at work today and decided to open reddit for some distraction... ",
"As I always like to say, if alternative medicine worked, it would just be called medicine.",
"Did you have the DTaP vaccine when you were a baby? The D stands for Diphtheria, so you should be good.",
"call",
"So my bosses son is one of the reasons people believe vaccines cause autism or did until 4 months ago. Within 2 days of having his first vaccines his cognitive functions drastically reduced. It took 15 yrs for technology to advance enough to know he has a chromosome depletion disorder. His body goes into metabolic attacks essentially killing itself for random reasons though there are triggers. Until 4 months ago this depletion wasnt mapped. It is really sad because theres nothing they can do but try to treat symptoms as they occur. But theres no treatment or cure for the depletion nor is anyone researching it because there are only a handful of others like him still alive. Every time someone makes the idiotic statement of vaccines causing autism I get mad because that is why more research isnt being done. Funding is hard because it gives idiots like that a way to claim that it does cause autism even though it is really an existing disorder that caused it. ",
">One of my special interests is the Swedish language, and the three main Scandinavian languages are mutually intelligible, at least written.\n\nThey can be somewhat intelligible between the three of our languages, depending on the accent and how fast / slow you talk.\n\nI can't for the life of me understand most Swedes, but I can pretty much talk with Norwegians in Danish where we understand each other.\n\n",
"Where*",
"I have no spleen, which greatly affects my body's ability to create antibodies. With way most vaccinations work (part of virus with catalyst to help body make antibodies), its more likely that the vaccination just makes me sick and then I have to take antibiotics to kill it. It happened to me with the flu shot in 2014.\n\nVaccinations are great, but only with a body that can actually use them, so im not gonna feel like a \"douchebag\" for refusing to get a shot that will do nothing but get me sick. \"Muh freedoms\" have nothing to do with it.",
"Exactly. Just give it a few million years and let evolution do it's thing. ^^^/s",
"Thanks bailey ",
"What evidence can you provide of a soul existing? What does your soul recall from before this lifetime? Other than the claims in religious texts, what reason do you have to believe that something exists afterwards?",
"Psycho in the night lunatic hysteria, woke up in the mornin' and I got diptheria.\n\nHannibal?",
"Are you saying that Oprah is best known for not wearing a bra in the nineties? I’m confused.",
"> He's just karma whoring over the bodies of dead children from 100 years ago, \n\nIf only you had said that in the first place we'd not be having this conversation. Thanks for explaining your position and sorry for the hostility.",
"Only morons would believe scaremongering anecdotes over actual scientific research. \n\nThose people are idiots and cowards. ",
"Pretty sure that's savantism.",
"welp, this is the most compelling argument for vaccination I've seen.",
"Can you link me you the source of that statement? I can't seem to factcheck that it was dumb and that i am an idiot. It seems it's just some random humorless person on the internets opinion. But i am not able to verify.",
"Eight did, apparently.",
"Its very possible since back then people tended to have closer to a dozen. ",
"You know what they say.... If WebMD says you got cancer... Well.",
"I am a Larsen :(",
"If you don't believe in religion there is no predetermined point to life. It just is. We just are. No rhyme or reason.",
"I'm honestly surprised by the comments on CPS taking his son away and him fighting to get him back. Really seems like he would have tried to use that as an out with how badly he apparently doesn't want him.",
"Where did the link between autism and vaccinations come from?",
"Like your opinion.",
">Far preferable to motivate parents to want it. \n\nYes. You motivate them by not allowing their children into public schools, public hospitals, public playgrounds or pools, and providing 0 financial benefit towards said child, outside of a nice pamphlet offering information on a rebate to help pay for up to 50% of the funeral.",
"I work in healthcare and have had more vaccines than your average person. ",
"What fabricated things?",
"\\#goddamn",
"Some anti-vaxxers believe that the CDC is lying about the recent outbreaks of diseases. I got into a massive argument on FB once (I have learned my lesson) with some of my sister's more unfortunate friends. She thinks that you can't trust the government and her \"sources\" were all doctors that have been sued for malpractice and/or have lost their license. \n\nBut, ya know, much more reliable than the government. And apparently actual science.",
"Except now I am imagining the kids barking like dogs before they die ",
"Its moreso because of lack of education. Rich folks are busy in college and starting businesses. So they get started on their family life later after college and business and have one or 2 kids. Poor folks are starting a family after high school. Also, the lack of medical care or ability to pay for birth control really hinders some poorer families and makes em have more kids. \n\nI think its more about education than it is economy. But usually economics and education go hand in hand. Its like a rectangle is a square but a square isnt a rectangle thing. ",
"Sometimes things just suck, and that’s okay. If I were diagnosed with cancer I wouldn’t want to hear that. Likewise I wouldn’t want to hear it if my kid was suffering from an extreme disability. ",
"Also, reliable birth control didn't exist.",
"I'm not arguing that the mother's \"don't care\" and hope that's not the point I got across. It's just that the way people mourn is so different, and the ability to work through it is just part of the culture.",
"Get other friends. That kind of ignorance can only drag you down man. And maybe give you a disease. Run. ",
"What? He is talking about his life experiences, not giving his opinions on the subject. That's the most retarded thing you had the displeasure of reading? ",
"https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fe/Infant_Mortality_Rate_by_Region_1950-2050.png",
"The lack of vaccine was the contraception if that time. ",
"Education is the answer; particularly critical thinking skills being taught from elementary school. Investigate and vet every source before you believe spurious claims. Especially when the author of those claims was later proven wrong and lost his medical license.",
"My sex ed class started out with a guy asking why Italians have big dicks. Still laugh about it today. ",
"Fuuuuuck I never looked at the dates... ",
"I was just talking to my son’s doctor about this. She said her anti-vax parents were the first ones calling her up during the ebola outbreak wanting to vaccinate their kids against it. So they know they are relying on herd immunity and are just jackasses. ",
"To be fair only one of them was still a baby. One was even a teenager.",
"Be carefull, at level 11 you'll start recording suicide forest videos.",
"At least they got a break from all the death on Sunday",
"I'm on my phone now, so I can't send you the link, but look up Penn and Tellers Bullshit on vaccination. The first couple minutes show how stupid it is to not vaccinate your kids based on the chance of your kid possibly getting autism.",
"Where was Balto when they needed him?",
"I just thought people died of dysentery or trying to hitch the wagon to forge the river. Damn you Oregon Trail! \n\n(I keed). ",
"Oh crap me too, I just had to do a flu wash because of it",
"TIL I wish I was Italian",
"I don't even blame you. If my kids regularly came into contact with someone's unvaccinated kids, I would do my best to minimize that contact. Family or not.",
"It's finally happening!",
"Jesus didn't get vaccinations!",
"Thank you. When I tried to read it, I read \"Today I Learned... \" then struggled for a second before realizing it wasn't English.",
"The age of first time parents definitely has gone up and is even higher when you look at education. It's tough to pursue career/degrees while raising a small child, even though biologically it's easier to do at a younger age. Catch-22 these days. ",
"There have been antivaxers since vaccines existed. ",
"Must be a slow Reddit day again.",
"I don't see how that sub is remotely relevant. I wasn't judging or \"excluding\" anyone. I was elucidating on OP's original comment on the basis of my own lengthy background in social history.\n\nMaking what was intended as an actual contribution to the discussion, in other words. Unlike you.\n\n\nEDIT: Okay, okay, I apparently misinterpreted the comment. But one correction is sufficient-- and welcome. The other fifty are just unnecessary piling-on, and you lot can fuck off.",
"Its not average by any measure, but it certainly doesn't harm them or others in any way when it comes to their functioning. So whilst being intersex isn't exactly normal, does that really matter?",
"none of whom died of this disease I think...... Consumption in at least a couple cases.",
"Which is caused by autism spectrum disorder. ",
"> if everyone acted like you, no one would vaccinate\n\nHere we are, where people are free to choose and most of us choose to vaccinate our children.\n\nI chose to vaccinate mine but I will never support using the threat of force to compel other people to do it.",
"I've had three TDAP shots. I had one when I was younger, one when my oldest daughter was born (two years ago), and one when my youngest daughter was born (three months ago). I thought it was odd to have the third one, but the doctor insisted on it and I figure he went through significantly more medical training than me (10 years versus my 0 years).",
"Being a comedian is basically no work at all at the moment.",
"Ah, why did I read the comments to that tweet ...",
">He's big\n\nI agree. ",
"Like min-maxing Pokémon EVs\n\n\"No I'm not going to spec my sweeper to be able to take more than one hit. Attack and speed, baby!\"",
"I know I got a Tetanus booster recently, did they also include the diptheria booster automatically?",
"That's what big vaccine wants you to think, man. \n \nIt's also the truth, but whatever",
"If only they’d been eating vegan glutenfree rawfood and riding more bicycle, this could’ve been avoided.",
"\"But at least they didn't get autism\"",
"My neck was swollen and I had a mild sour throat yesterday please stop making me think I’m dying.",
"An image macro is a type of meme, though. There are non-image-based memes, like movie quotes or references to literature characters or even song lyrics. Telling someone not to be a Scrooge is a meme. Memes are cultural shorthand for expressing complex ideas in accessible ways, and aren't limited to a visual medium.",
"Most likely to old bed gave her cancer. If she would have got a new one sooner it would have gone away.",
"How old is he? A lot of kids who love pretty darned autistic when they're young grow up to be just wonderfully quirky people later. Those therapies (speech and OT and similar) are very, very important. ",
"Father of 2, and I wouldn't change a bit.",
"Only when we fall sick can we understand the suffering of others going through similar or worse ailments.",
"Well, that's just like your dumb opinion, man. ",
"This happened in mine during the Spanish Flu outbreak in 1918. Lost half my great aunts and great uncles.",
"Haha I thought it said vacation. You crazy yanks.",
"Immortal things don't need saving though. They're immortal.",
"Those don’t work on me.\n\nThat’s my cousin, stupid__joke__bot",
"That's absolutely true. That's a big part of the reason religion is still so big in the developing world, as well.",
"I think most ant-vaxxers believe these diseases aren't deadly. I guess they slept through history class. Maybe it was the lack of autism?",
"First off, if I'm strong, I'm not putting poison marketted by big pharma into my body, there is a reason why nations widely disagree on what medicines are safe and what aren't and protip, it's not motivated by keping you safe, it's motivated by how much money they can stuff in Republicans pockets. Big Pharma is one of the biggest sectors in the United States, it's a Trillion dollar industry, and yes, I said trillion. Most of you already know that you can't trust companies like Monsanto, but did you know that Monsanto is smaller than Disney? Meanwhile, we happily gobble up the propaganda by big Pharma, a sector so large that roughly 15% of all U.S. spending goes to it... \n\nOpen you minds people. Eating healthy, exercise, and saving our planet are the important parts to maintaining a balanced life. Money should not be a factor, but sadly, for those who follow greedy racist sexist ideologies, it still is.",
"yeah, reddit hates Jesus but loves Mohammed.",
"Too many diseases start with \"cold-like symptoms\"",
"It's not really a hipster thing. It's an idiot thing.",
"I'm a god damn dyslexic. For five minutes I thought it said, \"vacation wasn't an option\", and was like what the fuck is this shit?! ",
"It's Danish. But to someone who doesn't speak either Danish and Norwegian is impossible to tell apart for someone who doesn't speak either.",
"Back then diphtheria was a major killer.\n\nNow? It's part of a typical child vaccination program. Look up DPT (diphtheria, pertussis, tetanus).",
"One of the top posts of r/vaxxhappened is a collection of parents describing their children suffering from preventable disease and asking for help, while denying anyone who mentions vaccines.\n\nAll because some piece of shit doctor wrote fake articles linking vaccines to autism in the 90's. It's sickening.",
"Seatbelt laws are here because of insurance costs and taxpayer costs. Nothing more. \n \nSmoking in public should be allowed, seems strange to ban in. Just like if a bar or restaurant wants to allow smoking they should be able to, you can choose to eat somewhere else. \n \nAsbestos is actually amazing and is still in use in many applications including in insulation. If I'm not tearing down walls I'd love to have it my home if it meant it was less likely to burn to the ground super fucking quickly while my family is sleeping. ",
"Russia\n\n\nShithole\n\n\nRacism\n\n\nThe rape accusations\n\n\nDenying Trump played a part in NK phoning SK for the first time in decades.\n\n\nDenying the economy is the best it's ever been\n\n\nThe Japan Koi feeding picture\n\n\nThe Poland handshake issue\n\n\nThe list goes on and on",
"The best birthcontrol is free. It's called jesus /s\n\n\nBut for real. Don't have sex if you can't buy protectio. Why is tax money going to people who can barely do a minimumwage job and decides to have 8 kids....",
"That more people have died from the measles vaccine then the disease itself is a blatant falsity.\n\nThe measles infection causes:\n- Hospitalization in 25% of the cases (1 in 4)\n- Encephalitis 1 in 1000 cases\n- Death 1 or 2 in 1000 cases\n\n\nThe measles vaccine causes:\n\n- Mild reactions: 1 in 5 cases\n\n- Moderate reactions: Seizure 1 in 1250 cases, Temporary low platelet count 1 in 40000 cases\n- Sever reactions including deaths: less 4 per million\n\nSources:\nhttps://www.cdc.gov/measles/downloads/measlesdataandstatsslideset.pdf\n\nhttps://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/hcp/vis/vis-statements/mmrv.html\n\n\nSo, to be perfectly clear:\nbetween 1000 and 2000 deaths in a million versus 4 deaths in a million.\n\nMeasles vaccination saves lives, unquestionably.\n\n",
"fuck you, take my upvote ",
"Its not July, your good... Until then. ;)",
"Vaccines cause adults.",
"Because people are really, really stupid. ",
"they're up in heaven with god, away from muslims and immigrants and darkies",
"\"This has to stop\"",
"Hah! Well, congrats, and I can tell you first hand I remember those scares. If you have a second one, it's more of a \"can it wait til I've finished this level?\"",
"I posted this before but it applies here as well.\n\nDurant on the plague\nThe Renaissance page 30\n\nHalf the population of Italy was carried off in the successive visitations of the plague from 1348 to 1365. A Sienese chronicler wrote about 1354:\n\nNeither relatives nor friends nor priests nor friars accompanied the corpses to the grave, nor was the office of the dead recited… In many places of the city trenches were dug, very broad and deep, and into these the bodies were thrown, and covered with a little earth; and thus layer after layer until the trench was full; and then another trench was begun. And I, Agniolo di Tura… with my own hands buried five of my children in a single trench; and many others did the like. And many dead were so ill covered that the dogs dug them up and ate them, dispersing their limbs throughout the city. And no bells rang, and nobody wept no matter what his loss, because almost everyone expected death… And people said and believed, “This is the end of the world.”\n",
"Fucking horrifying. I’m not that religious, but things like this make me thank God for the men and women who have advanced science and human knowledge.",
"No u",
"I had children so I can force them to do all of the things I wish I had done and to have them get rich and carry me through my old age. ",
"> Pulling out is one od them. nobody has 10 kids without trying.\n\npulling out has a (real) failure rate of 22%. 22 Women out of 100 will get pregnant in a given year if \"Pulling out\" is their Birth Control method of choice. \n\nIf you're married at 16, average age of menopause is 51, that's 35 years with a 22% chance of getting pregnant. \nOh god statistics, but doesn't that mean on average we could assume 35x0.22->7.7->8 children? \nchance of *no children* should be 0.78^35 = 0.00764 -> 0.764%, one in 131\n\n/e: don't argue \"perfect use\", those numbers make no sense. perfect use absitence only works. \nunfortunately we're all way closer to average than perfect.",
"My only regret is that I have differitis",
"As someone who got pertussis at age 38, transferred it to two of my three daughters who then gave it to their fragile grandparents... it sucks. Perhaps pertussis booster shots more frequently might be more appropriate. My kids contracted it well under ten years from inoculation. \n\nIt wasn’t life threatening to anyone except the grandparents but the cough sticks around for a long time. \n\nAnd the test shoves a long swab all up your nose into your brain and right through the top of your skull. (Feels like it)",
"Next time just link to a video of a baby with whooping cough or polio and ask them whether this is better than autism. They have literally never seen these diseases so side effects seem more real. ",
"> I have a hard time believing someone could devote so much time\n\nThe guy makes somewhere between 5 and 15 comments *per year*. That doesn't really seem like \"devoting so much time\" to me, but rather needing an outlet now and then.",
"I think you should have put the title 'when we didnt have vaccinations' because saying it wasnt an option sounds like it was mandatory and thats why they died",
"Also, no birth control.",
"All the ones I know are suburban, Trump-supporter parents. None of my LA hipster friends think vaccinations are evil. They believe in science.",
"The only reason I know at all what diphtheria is, is because my dad had it when he was a kid, when he was living in rural Indonesia. He remembers hallucinating because he had it so bad. The doctors said if his fever didn't break the next day, they would have to send him to Singapore, but luckily, the fever did break the next morning. Saved the family a lot of stress and money. ",
"My mind read it as vacation. Was Shiiiiiet some people just need a break ",
"People like you cause tragedies like the one in the picture. \n\nQuit being ignorant and cowardly, get vaccinated.",
"Those anti-vaxxers might be on to something...",
"Unless you were a woman - you were lucky to make it to forty or so, due to the risks of complication and infection after giving birth.",
"But giving children all those vaccines just CAN'T be good for then, right?! I heard sometimes they just inject a bunch or mercury into you! It's a racket set up by doctors to do .... something?\n\nAnyone who needs a /s on that can go fuck themselves. ",
"Sorry mate sounds like you have diphtheria. \nSource: I am a doctor. ",
"Thank you for the info.",
"Damn :/",
"During the spanish flu, my great grandparents were the only couple in their town that *didn't* bury a child. I can't even imagine living in such a time. ",
"If such a thing happened in your own life, you would think of things quite differently, I am certain of it.",
"And to be fair, the deaths are all around the 4th of July",
"Mild dyslexia. Was thinking, vacations are good but what the fat?",
"One time I went walking through a cemetery and found 4 graves beside each other all children 2-4 years old. From the early 1900s, same family. It looked like they’d have one, the kid would die then they try again the next year have another then that one would die. They had 4. I can’t imagine the pain parents went through before vaccines. ",
"Playing Devil's advocate (I agree with you):\n\nThe lack of vaccination puts others lives at risk. By not getting your kid vaccinated against measles, you could kill another, unrelated child.\n\nWhat is your stance on refusing to accept children who have not been vaccinated at schools and such? Personally, I'm for it:\n\n1. You can still refuse to get vaccinated.\n\n2. It decreases the chance of mixing non-vaccinated kids with vaccinated kids, and thus minimizes the risks for those who can't get vaccinated, or whose vaccinations didn't hold, or only partially worked.",
"Everyone's ancestors, prior to modern medicine the some of the easiest treated illnesses today would wipe out families, cities, regions, and continents. Factor in injuries becoming infected, disasters, wars, and etc. Having 10 kids and losing 5 of them was fairly common.",
"I really feel for Holgar who watched his older sister (15) then his 6 year old sister, 2year old sister then finally his 4 year old sister die. Imagine the emotions he would of felt shortly before his death as a 12 year old",
"I know. It was a joke. But apparently people cannot handle jokes. Either you can joke about anything, or you can joke about nothing. You can't filter out subjects and censor humor",
"I read vaccination as vacation and I was really confused for a moment ... Maybe I need vacation ;) ",
"> I have a cousin who is very very low functioning autistic. I’m guessing that’s what this dad is going through. Extreme violence, unable to communicate, my aunt and Uncle have to have the exact same schedule everyday or there are violent meltdowns, and their son is large and strong. They have live-in help and it costs an awful lot just to care for him. I’m positive they love him dearly and would do anything for him, but I can see how someone else would be overwhelmed.\n\nDoes your cousin have any other mental issues?\n\nI ask because my nephew had some of the same issues, but due to other ailments, his condition was worse than it might have been if it had \"just\" been autism. ",
"Kids on the spectrum aren't just a blessing, they're autastic!",
"VacCInaTiOnS CaUsE aUtIsM",
"I mean, from 1890-1900 the population grew by 23%, and 26% from 1880 to 1890.\n\nThat is a pretty spectacular growth rate. To put in context, from 2000 to 2010 the US saw ~10% growth.",
"I use GIS to see who owns the houses in my hood, how big they are, sales records, etc. very interesting for nosy folks like me.",
"And for those of us who, also thanks to vaccines, [aren't even sure what croup is](https://i.imgur.com/R390EId_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium)",
"No no, not to make a specific point. I just thought the data would be useful in this situation. \n\nOver the last years i have seen several iterations of this data to show the decrease in infant mortality on a global scale.\n\nThis does not mean that i do not agree with your point as well. :)",
"I can't wait until we can talk about what diphtheria *was* rather than what it *is*. ",
"Science is constantly discovering new things. Why would it be surprising if vaccines have changed? \n\nI'm not sure what you're implying from your government angle. You think the government wants its entire population to be autistic, so they are poisoning vaccines? ",
"People got them from bats. Because they would kill them and eat them. Raw.",
"At least they didn't get autism.",
"Yeah but I bet they saved 10 arms and 10 legs on the cost of the burial site.",
"Not really anyone is saying vaccines should be banned though, so this is falling on deaf ears....",
"Ok, eagle-guns and jesus-flags, got it!",
"Only moron conservative Christians think that way. ",
"The distance from your comment to the reddit vax circle jerk was 1 unit.",
"Jesus bliver hos mig, indeed.",
"Yea well I got the flu shot a month ago.. 2 weeks ago I got the flu, sick as a dog for a week, finally feeling good now. Does not always work",
"Andrew Wakefield.\nhttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Wakefield\n\nIt was also popularized by Jenny McCarthy.",
"Quality of life after was better if they made it passed the age of 15-17. ",
"If your parents aren’t dumb twats and got you vaccined, there’s a 100% chance that it’s not diphtheria so carry on.\n\nSource: I wake up with a sore throat every morning and still kicking it.",
"All 5 of them were probably extremely sick before death also. ",
"Have you not been paying attention to the last 20 years of earth?\n\nThey wouldn't give that shit away for free. It would be sold by facebook, google and amazon as a better way to keep in touch with your friends or buy the products you like, now with our new Super Brainchips™, just think about what you want and watch it take place in the real world!\n\n$49.95",
"God bless",
"Anti-vaxxing is a phenomenon that transmits collective illusions of imaginary threats through rumors and fear with the direct consequence that children and people with poor immune systems die. Some countries have their priorities straight and have ruled that not vaccinating children is not an option, the government have the right to deem you unfit as a parent as a consequence.\n\nIt's one thing being skeptical against rushed vaccines for new potential pandemics and another declining vaccines used for generations.\n\nSo incredibly horrifying that people defend the right to have your children put in unnecessary harm. By that same logic it should be perfectly fine to feed your children raw chicken.",
"I have a few questions about the mandatory approach.\n\n- Who gets to decide which vaccinations are mandatory & which ones aren't? Does a head scientist get elected or does an elected official choose this person?\n- What is the threshold of benefit before a vaccination becomes mandatory?\n- Who accepts liability for any mistakes that results in harm?\n- What do you do with those who refuse? \n",
"There was a corollary study before the anti vaccine craze, that showed a correlation, between cable TV viewing and autism... after the craze there was a study that tried to study what a woman reported to eat, and what vitamins they were taking to estimate folate levels... showed a corollary between extra high folate levels and autism... as to reddit, I would like to point to the voting system and subreddits developing their own tone that rewards repeating the same joke, don’t let this man distract you from the fact that in 1998...",
"At first I read \"vacation\" and thought how fucked up it is to make a joke like that.",
"Why the hell wasnt this plastered everywhere when he was running for president??? ",
"> probably\n\nThat's exactly the thought process, actually.",
"Danish.",
"I like this comment a lot. ",
"There's lots of people here in Brazil that hate vaccines too. Even with the current yellow fever crisis, some people told me they wouldn't take the vaccine because they don't trust it. People are already dying from yellow fever here in my city, but apparently that's not enough to convince those people.",
"From your other post:\n\n>\"Evidence doesn’t change what I believe\"",
"Jesus riding an eagle carrying a flag and an ar15.\n\nThat’s pretty much going to convince anyone of anything ",
"“At least they’re not autistic.”- Jenny McCarthy. ",
"Where abouts do people say “what the fat”? Genuinely curious. ",
"\"You don't need vaccination when you have God!\" Is that what anti-vaccs say?",
"Yes, I was so confused. I only realized it wasn't \"vacation\" when I saw the comments about autism, then read the title one more time and went \"ohhhh\".",
"Vaccines have actually become far less \"potent\" then back then.\n\nWe have perfected various vaccinations, allowing us to decrease the amount of pathogens. If you get vaccinated against measles today, you're getting less pathogens than when you were getting vaccinated back then, and yet you're still protected. \n\nIt's why people who say: \"but we get so many more vaccines today!\" don't have a leg to stand up on. Yes, you get more vaccines. But each individual vaccine has less pathogens than when we were kids. Essentially, its close to zero sum.\n",
"Sunday seemed ok.",
"Presenting people with facts in order to dissuade them from a belief also has a proven track record of making them dig their heels in further. People don’t want to be told what they believe is wrong because it’s a personal attack. When you attack someone’s beliefs, their brain shuts down. \n\nhttp://time.com/3982723/changing-minds-vaccines/",
"Danish children ¯\\_(ツ)_/¯",
"I'm neither moronic, conservative, nor Christian.\n\nbut reddit absolutely worships islam and mohammed.",
"I read this as vacation. Found it confusing...",
"i dunno. lets assume it is as effective as it is at stopping the common cold.\n\n\nso no. it wouldn't",
"Do you know what a meme is? ",
"That's terrible. I'd recommend calling child protective services if you haven't already. ",
"Fuck that's sad.",
"lol no",
"Correlation is not causation.",
"It seems like lack of sanitation has a hand in speeding up the process.",
"I think it's very much the opposite really. Everyone is just telling the same jokes right now.",
"Oh yeah? Well.. uh... did you know that literally every single person that gets a vaccine will die?\n\nSo... yeah- Checkmate medical science! ",
"Ah yes... because comparing homosexuality and vaccines is truly comparing apples and apples alright! ",
"TIL diphtheria is how the aliens from futurama grew sprungers.",
"r/beetlejuicing",
"Is it listed online somewhere? I've found and documented a few family cemeteries that seemed so sad and alone, and added them to Find A Grave. Family members would find them years later and thank me for finding and caring for those lost graves that they had not been able to locate. Usually these lone graves still had distant family curious about them. ",
"Well, not in 1880, anyway.",
"Dan Gardner writes the end of his book, The Science of Fear:\n\n\"In central Ontario, near where my parents live, there is a tiny cemetery filled with rusted ironwork and headstones heaved to odd angles by decades of winter frost and spring thaws. This was farm country once. Pioneers arrived at the end of the nineteenth century, cut the trees, pulled up the stumps, and discovered, after so much crushing labor, that their new fields amounted to little more than a thin layer of soil stretched across the bare granite of the Canadian Shield. Most farms lasted a generation or two before the fields were surrendered to the forests. Today, only the cemeteries remain.\n\nThe pioneers were not wealthy people, but they always bought the biggest headstones they could afford. They wanted something that declared who they were, something that would last. They knew how easily their own existence could end. Headstones had to endure. “Children of James and Janey Morden,” announces one obelisk in the cemetery. It’s almost six feet tall. The stone says the first to die was Charles W. Morden. He was four years and nine months old.\n\nIt was the winter of 1902. The little boy would have complained that he had a sore throat. He was tired and his forehead felt a little warm to his mother’s hand. A day or two passed and as Charles lay in bed he grew pale. His heart raced. His skin burned and he started to vomit. His throat swelled so that each breath was a struggle and his head was immobilized on the sweat-soaked pillow. His mother, Janey, would have known what was torturing her little boy, but with no treatment she likely wouldn’t have dared speak its name.\n\nThen Charles’s little brother, Earl, started to cry. His throat was sore, he moaned. And he was so hot. Albert, the oldest of the boys, said he, too, was tired. And yes, his throat hurt.\n\nCharles W. Morden died on Tuesday, January 14, 1902. His father would have had to wrap the little boy’s body in a blanket and carry him out through the deepening snow to the barn. The cold would seep into the corpse and freeze it solid until spring, when rising temperatures would thaw the ground and the father could dig his son’s grave.\n\nThe next day, both Earl and Albert died. Earl was two years and ten months old. Albert was six years and four months. Their father would have gotten out two more blankets, wrapped his sons, and taken them out to the barn to freeze.\n\nThen the girls started to get sick. On January 18, 1902, the eldest died. Minnie Morden was ten years old. Her seven-year-old sister, Ellamanda, died the same day.\n\nOn Sunday, January 19, 1902, the fever took little Dorcas, barely eighteen months old. For the final time, James Morden bundled a child in a blanket, walked through the snow, and laid her down in the cold and dark of the barn, where she and her brothers and sisters would wait through the long winter to be buried.\"\n\nThat was diphtheria. Nowadays, every child gets the DPT vaccine, so we don't have it anymore in the Western world.\n\n",
"But, not all people with autism are savants.",
"Worship? What?",
"> That's the most retarded thing you had the displeasure of reading?\n\nAt very best it's still a very sick form of ignorance-based jealousy.",
"What if big pharma made an extra 1000 dollars off my family though? Can’t risk that. It’s worth the lives of my five kids to stick it to big pharma!",
"Oh death by illness, i assumed from the title that the father killed them all one by one.",
"right, you keep trying to make a point though, its not really about your joke. Different opinions though, have a nice day lad",
"Read the title as vacation and stayed confused for way too long",
"Oh no doubt, but at least we willingly buy these things.\n\n\nI don't fuck with Alexa though",
"...so you should be thanking those men and women. God had nothing to do with it, but those men and women worked tirelessly and selflessly and it sucks for their legacy to get rolled up into a “thank god” ",
"Somebody should tell Arabs that this doesn't happen anymore",
"'Jesus believes in those midgets' ",
"I think they're more concerned with keeping people healthy than being right. They're fine ameliorating fears if it helps people make better decisions about their health. Sometimes it's ok that people are wrong if there's a way around the stupid. ",
"Chill the fuck out. The dude is commenting on the last sentence about how you aren't a real mom until you experience the death of a child.",
"I can't wait until I have kids and they're old enough so I don't have to mow the fucking lawn or shovel anymore.\n\nIf they get rich and I get some cash out of it, that's just bonus points in my opinion.",
"I think you’ve taken their comment the wrong way and slightly overreacted here. They were saying that the saying was a bit of “gatekeeping” for the people of the 19th century ",
"Understanding spoken danish, on the other hand.. unless you’re from Skåne!",
"You saying that to me is like the pot calling the kettle black. ",
"*TEAM KILL*",
"You dropped this> /s",
"I don't disagree completely, but these kinds of things need to be allowed to go somewhere, and it is a picture of a memorial, not something set up in order to make a political point.",
"Humans love sex. Theres no way of stopping people from the temptation with logic, they arent thinking that far ahead in the moment.",
"My father in law had polio when he was a tyke. He survived, but continues to have significant issues directly related to the polio.\n\nVaccinating our kid wasn't even a question.",
"Yeah, but she *only* knows how to help kids not die and many other things. I have google.",
"Because Reddit values logic and rationality. ",
"\"Healthy state of mind\" they said. \"Just gotta work on your weight\" they said. ",
"I’m sure the days or weeks leading up to the actual times of deaths were not easy. A whole household full of sick and dying people must have been horrible ",
"Yes absolutely, plus that whole no birth control thing",
"CAKE DAY",
"Can do!",
"Oh, sure, you make it sound so easy.",
"Well, they died, but at least they didn't get injected with autism! (/s obviously)",
"Nah I'm pretty sure that one word doesn't mean Jesus.",
"Life... It’s all about perspective. ",
"Wrong, /r/exmuslim",
"Holy shit. :(",
"Why did you write that? Now I can’t write what I want to, because it would be verbatim copying!\nBut serious, though, it’s kinda true. When something mental like ASD is classified as an illness, but you’ve grown up with a brother who has it, it doesn’t seem like an illness- just who they are. ASD can make life harder, but don’t let anyone get away with saying it makes people worse. \nIt angers me that anti vaxxers don’t even understand what autism is or means. They just hear two scary words together and form an association. They’re the worst kind of person.",
"Modern vaccines are more specific and more efficient so, to be accurate, modern vaccines are less stressful to the immune system.\n\nThe actual \"amount\" of vaccine has decreased rather than increased, even after counting the new types of vaccines available.",
"No one is forcing anyone to do anything. Being a part of a society should be seen as a privilege and the cost of that privilege is to not to purposely be a detriment to the society.",
"Seriously. I'll never forget the picture Wikipedia has in its small pox page.",
"Stop having kids, wtf",
"What if he was vaccinated and his current mental issues are due to the hoooooooge shot of vaccines he received as a child? ",
"> so they had other reasons not to want to vaccinate.\n\nWhat?\n\nThere was no vaccination at the time.",
"So they died because of \"Serumbehandling\" which is not used anymore because Vaccination is better. That's what your own source says. I think I can see *some* irony now.",
"So I went to nvic.org and it says that since 1990-2016 397 people died from adverse side effects of the measeals vaccine. \n \nForces article linking to CDC says that since 2000 the year measles was declared eliminated from the US there have been 10 measels deaths listed on a death certificate. This is from 2015. \n \nSeems the guy you're arguing is right as far as a couple quick Google searches brings me. ",
"To be fair, he MIGHT NOT be an antivaxxer. He could just have said that while he was trying to pander to some group or other. He has a track record of that. \nI personally don't believe he stands for ANYTHING. He is an empty vessel to be filled with emotion on a whim. He fills himself with rage against vaccines when his donors want him to. Fills himself with pride when he reads speeches as president people write for him. Then he dumps all that emotion out and sits idle as a vacuum fills his thoughts and he waits for the next puppet master to come by and shove their hand up his ass to get him to talk. ",
"Just word it very well and make sure it only applies to vaccines, and make sure that the companies producing those vaccines aren't a monopoly, and make sure that it can't be used in any circumstance to force other chemicals/hormones into someone's body that have a \"greater good\" effect (like Oxytocin). Because remember, we're not making laws just for reasonable people like you and I, we're making laws that will he interpreted by the least reasonable subset of people in the world: *politicians.*\n\nDon't get me wrong, I'm not an anti-vaxxer or any bullshit like that. But I can very much see how bad a precedent it is to pass a \"shut up and take your medicine law\". What's harmless now, won't be after enough judicial reinterpretation and use for precedent.",
"Show me where I said definitively that vaccines are the cause of anything. I'll wait.\n\nI said the *number* of vaccines now is highly alarming.",
"Lol this is one of my rare appearances outside of /r/GIS with this account. ",
"Yea my great great great grandfather lost his wife then 2 kids to illness in quick succession. He shot himself to death and his one surviving son was described by the state as a basket case. The words they used for him were quite cruel given the trauma he endured. They essentially said the poor orphaned child was sucking off the teet of the government. ",
"Family near me lost both kids - two sons in high school - to meningitis within a couple days. This was just a few years ago.",
"I get your point, but I think it's a bit of an oversimplification. Whilst the reasoning for large families is, in part correct, other things also factor: lack of access to birth control and movement from agrarian to industrial and then to a service society for example. I don't think the ultimate reason people have children has changed- procreation and the continuance of the parents genetic legacy. Certainly mortality and less requirement for labour is a massive factor though.\n\nEdit: just saw the other comments in this thread and realised how redundant my own is.",
"My country has a lot of issues, but mandatory vaccination is a thing that I'm proud and thankful for. ",
"In order of death:\nMarie - Age 15\nAnna - Age 6\nEllen - Age 2\nKlara - Age 4\nHolger - Age 13.\n\nJesus. As a father of 3 I cannot imagine losing 1 let alone all of them in a week. In the week after Christmas we lost a neighbor in a car wreck, and a niece's fiance to Heroin and I thought that was hard.\n\n",
"I read that as \"vacations\" and thought wow guys, you are really taking this one too far.",
"I don't blame you.",
"Well, one of them was 15, and another 12 so not all babies, but yeah, to have tour whole family wiped out is pretty awful (1903 was Flu I think)",
"Squad wipe",
"You could hire someone for that you know. That would be a lot cheaper.",
"*All* my siblings are more successful than me. I'm an only child though. :(",
"I’d rather my kid go through a bout of measles (wouldn’t kill them) then risk getting autism or some type of learning disability. ",
"5-10% odds of death. Maybe 20% if you're under five or over 50. I'm sure you won't die suffocating under the weight of your own swollen lymph nodes.",
"This gets worse the longer you look at it. Those poor people.",
"I honestly think you're trolling. I don't believe someone old enough to use the internet would be this dumb.",
"That's a product of poor medical care. All of these women should be given proper support, no matter the reason they lose a child.",
"SAD!",
"Sex feels so much better when you feel like you're accomplishing something.",
"My name would be included on Tuesday if this happened to my kids. Fuck they are getting big hugs when I get home.",
"While the evidence for that doesn't really stand up... Don't you think foregoing vaccination is a much worse roll of the dice?\n\nMaybe it doesn't look so risky to bypass vaccinations now... Since so many others have been vaccinated. ",
"That's why you start in Madagascar.",
"Not at all. If I or any reasonable had someone in my family have an adverse reaction to vaccines, I would be even *more* likely vaccinate to prevent those who can't get medically vaccinated from getting sick. \n\nVaccines are safe and effective. There is no reason to be against them. ",
"One sibling is going to be the least successful. We're taking one for the team. ",
"And even if vaccines did cause autism, how dare they suggest that a dead child is better than an autistic one? Some people are disgusting.",
"Are they part rabbit? ",
"Right-wing websites like reddit tried to push it as a leftist thing while anti-vaxxers are from all walks of life. When the racists found out their Dear Leader was one they went silent.",
"Yes and I asked you why this was questionable and you linked a picture of a list of vaccines and your own opinion that kids are no healthier these days. ",
"I actually understand it. How many people do you know who have died or been disabled from diphtheria, measles, polio, mumps...? Personally, probably none. For the most part, these are diseases you can only read about in books. Now even if the kid gets sick, most people probably think a week in bed or the doctor and the kid will be better. On the other hand, autism seems to be more widespread and very long lasting. What seems like the bigger risk, a seemingly minor illness which you've never experienced or a lifelong debilitating condition?\n\nIn the 1950s parents lined up to get their kids vaccinated against polio because they knew the horrors of the disease and were willing to take the risk on a new technology. Now you have autism and parents are willing to take the risk because they don't see getting sick as being a real risk.\n\nI just want to clarify that I am pro-vaccination, but for people who haven't experienced the tragedy it's difficult to imagine how bad it can get.",
"No",
"No. It doesn’t bear thinking about. Those poor people. Unless they had a bunch more kids to live for, how do you begin to handle that??? I have four children, all 11 years and under. They are my world. ",
"arf!",
"I too was ripped from my mother by a horrid doctor who cut her open, too! He should've just let me suffocate and die a horrible death, like nature intended breach babies to do! /s",
"You do realise the NHS and CDC will both happily tell you all the contents of vaccines and I'm almost 100% sure they're fully listed on their website.",
"You gotta read it to believe it. \nThis man will go down in history as the worst elected official ever. \n\nhttps://www.globalresearch.ca/video-trump-babies-should-not-be-born-in-the-ninth-month-of-pregnancy-this-has-to-change/5626787\n\nEdit: It's not easy to find an article with more of the speech. It's really just a mistake in wording but I will leave up my original statement as it is the goddamn truth. ",
"You're not alone. I felt really stupid for net seeing the connection between vacations and these deaths.",
"r/childfree",
"If your son was fucked in the head and a gigantic pain to deal with you'd probably find yourself feeling the same",
"Maybe it's a regional thing? A family member of mine works with one of the large hospitals in my city and they're telling their employees to pretty much batten the hatches and get ready for a storm.",
"> if i *know* that if I drive my car i can hurt or kill someone, i am consciously choosing to threaten the freedom of someone else to live and be free of blunt force trauma\n\n> meanwhile, some govt guy pointing a gun in your face going \"vaccinate or else\" is NOT a threat to your freedom\n\nwowwwww, I can't even comprehend how your brain works. Do you hear yourself? \n \nYou're the one with the wrong definition of freedom, friend.\n\n> is a policeman pointing a gun at a bank robber destruction of freedom?\n\nA bank robber is pro-actively doing something, someone not vaccinating is simply *not* doing something. There's a huge difference.",
"It was not at all as determining, though. Before modern times, people *knew* a woman could get knocked up by having sex: the main reason parents had so many children, was incentivised by their economical status. \nMore children meant a higher chance for one of them to set forth the family, but also meant more eventual monetary support for the parents when they'd have gotten too old to work.",
"My household is getting over the flu. I just sent my finally well children to school, then read this. Now I am afraid they're still sick and something will happen but I know that's illogical. ",
"I had croup as a child whenever I would get a severe cold. The first time was terrifying, your airways swell and breathing becomes a struggle as if someone is strangling you. I really wouldn't wish it or any symptoms like these on anyone.",
"Of fucking course you wish you were Italian, how come did you only learn that today? \n\nGreat weather: check.\nDelicious food: check.\nAmazing wine: check.\nBeautiful women: check.\nAnd now apparently big dicks: check.\n\nBonus: sweet Italian accent that melts the non-Italian ladies hearts.",
"Alternative Facts\n\nAlternative Consent\n\nAlternative Science\n\nAlternative Economics\n\nAlternative Healthcare",
"F",
"Vaccination? For a bacterial infection? Are you sure it's not treated with an antibiotic or that it's a viral infection?\n\nEdit TIL some vaccines prevent bacterial infection. I always thought it was only for viruses.",
"This is one circlejerking I can get behind.",
"Endemic diseases wouldn't be an issue if we didn't live in densely crowded places with large numbers of people",
"Do you? Per Dawkins, the creator of the word, it's a self propagating idea, effectively the DNA of culture.",
"You got pregnant when you got pregnant. Do not place todays values and birth control on yesterday and it becomes less shocking. \n",
"Everyone should know what diphtheria is because everyone should have watched BALTO as a kid ",
"ok, 'holds in high esteem'.",
"are you saying it is preferable those children died rather than got vaccinated? because that seems to be the root of what you are saying.\n\nedit: oh and yeah, the majority of amish parents vaccinate their children, so there is that too. https://www.snopes.com/the-amish-dont-get-autism/",
"Clearly, someone got fruitcake and it taking it out on the villagers.",
"Oh god, are you in for a ride then, the coming few weeks! Good luck for you and your wife, enjoy the rodeo, and may you survive the newborn sleep deprivation.\n\n\n\nBut really, babies are fantastic.",
"With the rise of cancer and autism, among other things, I'd say it's not so much an opinion.",
"Almost all are teenagers look at the ages ",
"The average lifespan for a woman at the turn of the century (1900) was 43, due to childbirth, postpartum infection & infectious disease. There was plenty of risk beyond the diseases for which vaccines are now available. ",
"Was this from sickness, or another type of tragedy?",
"even if she were somehow pregnant 100% of the time, it would take 9 years to produce that many children. I'm going to guess she wasn't immediately knocked up after each one popped out like an assembly line and say it would have taken a bit over 10 years of banging and birthing. so, doable if you start in your teens, but very much unlikely.",
"I'm thirty-five. Two separate women from my high school year have each lost a child - and that's not counting the women I know who have had miscarriages or stillbirths. Childhood is still a dangerous time but we're lucky that modern medicine helps to bring the numbers down.",
"For you. 5 children is a massive unnecessary burden on the planet’s resources. Why didn’t you stop at two? Do you realize it takes 12 acres of resources to support just one person?\n\n Thanks to selfish and non-thinking people like you, my two kids who are going to replace us will have to compete with your FIVE for the same amount of resources.\n\n\nWhoowheeee here come the downvotes!\n\nTo all: Nice try dumbasses. People like us who have kids support YOUR retirement, DUMBASS. How in the fuck do you think the world keeps moving after your generation stops working? Or are you all so self-consumed that you forgot there needs to be an entire WORKFORCE behind you?",
"Not sure what sort of information you've used to make those inferences, but any asplenic individual should absolutely get all vaccines- particularly against pneumococcal and meningococcal disease, as well as seasonal influenza. ",
"You don't need a reason to belive. You either do or don't, it doesn't really affect one's life.",
"Yeah if you believe fairytales. ",
"It's not a \"belief\". It's a scientific certainty. \n\nYou're being \"shat on\" for promoting dangerous and harmful medical quackery. ",
"❤️",
"You are. But does that mean all imuno-compromised children's only option for education is homeschooling because they can't trust herd immunity? Or that people have to receede into their homes and be shut ins in addition to other complications because people want free access to measles?",
"And how did he get that chromosome depletion disorder??? Hint: Vaccines. ",
"Correlation is not causation. ",
"They could’ve been in a buggy crash. ",
"\"Lol, idc, idk, but, yeah, mercury bad, ymmv, be cool and nice to everyone.\" \n\n*edit - /s - just in case.",
"What is the argument that these idiots try to make when they're confronted with the facts of the Andrew Wakefield case? I don't have the self-control to ask one of them myself.",
"I guess you've had too many vaccines...\n\n/s",
"> must convey accurate information.\n\nIt does.\n\nVaccinate your kids. Diphtheria is preventable via vaccination.\n\n> must not be \"designed to elicit sympathy\"\n\nYou don't feel sympathy for parents who lost so many kids in so little time to something that is now totally avoidable? Don't you feel sympathy for these kids, who had their lives robbed by a disease that is totally avoidable today?\n\n> with no consideration for those of to whom safe vaccinations are not available\n\nEven in exceedingly poor nations, there are now vaccination programs. It's one of the greatest things that we as human beings are doing. We're covering nearly everyone.\n\n> who have lost loved ones to either a lack of vaccinations or to associated health problems.\n\nPosts like these raise awareness, and remind us of the importance of vaccinations, at a time when people have simply forgotten how dangerous these diseases are.",
"No it wasn’t, it’s sad but if you want at least one of your children to stay alive by adulthood, you had to have multiple children...",
"Exactly! Doctors should have just let me and the baby die, that’s what it means when you get preeclampsia and the baby goes into distress - death by seizures!",
"The back row of the cemetery in the town in which I grew up in western Oklahoma is lined with little 8\" square white headstones. They are all the children that died in the epidemic of 1918. It almost took every child in the county. The community must have been devastated.",
">Reddit\n\n>rationality\n\nChoose one. ",
"Quick Zealand",
"This is such a tragedy. I'm just waiting on some idiot to make the autism argument here.\n",
"Holger and I share a birthday, some 98 years apart.",
"\"Move away....or suicide.\" Hmm. I think I would probably move. ",
"I'd love you to tell me along with why you think what they add is bad.",
"How about because many folks dont have the ability to do more than minimum wage jobs. Again, its education. Poor folks in poor areas get shitty education where they are relegated to min wage jobs. I mean, if you worked for merck and someone came to you with a degree from Shelton State Community College (AL) and someone came with one from nyu, which would you choose? Education restricts many folks. Also, if im poor as fuck and need to drop out at 14 to help support my family, im never getting out of poverty. I just might be comfortably poor like those in the boonies and hoods. \n\nWhy are so many people so selfish over a couple bucks to make a country and many peoples lives better off? Just because people are poor doesnt mean they have to be abstinent or refrain from sex. Only folks with good jobs are allowed to fuck since they can afford birth control? ",
"I'm the oldest of 10, people didn't stop having large families.",
"This is so harrowing. ",
"Holy shit, you seem stupid. What sort of evidence do you have that measles vaccines have killed more people than measles?\n\n[From the WHO, before vaccines measles killed 2.6 million people A YEAR](http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs286/en/)",
"Started zoning out a long time ago because of both Trump/Anti-Trump echo chambers propaganda on reddit. It's turned into a testing field for shilling for both sides, so cancerous. ",
"I was \"ripped\" from my mama's belly because I, apparently, wanted out a little early.",
"My grandfather's older brother died when he was three or four. When my grandpa came along, he got the same name. Practical? I don't know...he was one of 15.",
"Nigeria is the notable exception but even then, the government is trying to curtail its population growth.",
"Does it have 90% death ? .\nOtherwise it's not good enough",
"I once read parents didn't really grow attached to babies or children until they were at least 6 or something because of this, back in the day at least. Not sure, though. And I'm sure it's still devastating. ",
"I dunno man, back in 2008-2010 when the swine flu/H1N1 was going big, they pushed a vaccination out for it called \"Pandemrix\", it was new and wasnt at all researched and tested enough, i opted to not take the shot, got the flu, was very sick for a bit over a week, and now i have immunity for it.\n\nSome people who took the shot, ended up getting narcolepsy, which they will probably have for the rest of their lives. (https://yle.fi/uutiset/osasto/news/finnish_researchers_zero_in_on_link_between_pandemrix_vaccine_and_narcolepsy/7692372)\n\nSo dunno man, I am by far not anti-vax, but I remain skeptic in certain stuff, and no offence to anyone but stuff like seasonal flu is not dangerous enough for me to risk taking a shot for it.",
"Read that as \"vacation\" and was very confused.",
"Yeah, but how many died with autism? Checkmate!",
"Yes, not having your entire family die of diphtheria in a week is good.",
"I bet it had more to do with the lack of birth control and that people like sex. ",
"It seems likely. They had a baby every 2 years except for a gap between the kids aged 13 and 6. That’s a long time to not get pregnant. They might have had a 10 or 8 year old survive, maybe even several kids.",
"I don't think you will with him. Look at his post history. He posts in /whiterights and have some very colourful words for other races. Especially blacks and Jewish people",
"Oh god.\n\nI'm trying to remember but one of the pictures resembled a bunch of grapes. My school friends still refer to STDs as \"the grapes\". ",
"This is what annoys me when people say the same things about downs syndrome.\n\nThere is a huge difference between those who can function in life and have a reasonably normal life and those that cannot.\n\nYou cannot paint everyone with the same brush and go 'well I knew a DS kid in school and they were kinda sweet and nice'\n\nYeah, but what the ones who are to low functioning to even go to school? You don't see them, you don't understand what it's like to raise them, or live with them.\n\nYou don't get to judge and act like you're better than everyone else because they admit that having a DS (or autistic etc) child is actually fucking hard, and with severe cases you WOULD give anything for you child not to have to suffer like that. \nAnd just because YOUR experience is not that bad, doesn't diminish someone else's.",
"A 5 day long buggy crash?",
"There is a bad flu going around right now that killed many people. Imagine how many people would die every year from the hundreds of different bacterias etc. if we didn't use vaccination.",
"Yes, scary to think that can still happen. \n\nOne of the ten born after 1881 was my grandmother. She and my grandfather were homesteaders in eastern Montana 100 years ago. (South of the Fort Peck reservation in McCone county, if anyone knows it.) My grandfather got the flu, and collapsed on the floor of their cabin. My grandmother cared for him on the floor for two weeks because he was too weak to get up into the bed. He survived, and lived another 60 years, dying of a heart attack in 1977.",
"Two anecdotals: My wife's brother has Hepatitis B from improper needle sterilization when he got vaccinated as a child. My uncle is mentally retarded from getting very sick at age 5 from something we now have a vaccine for (he was apparently pretty smart before that). Someone, somewhere, has probably died in a car accident on the way to the doctor to get a vaccine.\n\nShit happens, but seeing an entire family lost within 4 days of each other. Jesus Christ, that hurts to think about. I can't imagine burying a child, but burying five of them at once?",
"You mean tragedies because those people could not get the healthy food that they needed and starved because of the inequality of capitalism? We're talking about 1903, when food was hoarded by greedy capitalists (newsflash, it still is). In a more equal society, this family would have gotten some hot soup, and been able to take off work to rest and they would have survived. 1903 was a time of open racism and sexism, it was a shit time all around, and using inequality to try and push big pharma propaganda belittles the real victims of our vile cultures awful history.",
"I was ready to bust out laughing until i read “- Anti vaxxers...” which is the equivalent of /s. /s always kills the joke for me. Why are people so sensitive and need a /s for everything. Fuck.",
"[You've \n](http://www.lostwackys.com/images/original-series/15th/hamel.jpg)\n[got](https://imgur.com/Xbnyms2) \n\n\n[options](http://www.roll-ups.co.uk/images/product/main/bacon125.jpg).",
"It's not dependant on an image. Putting text on any image is not a meme. ",
"Good news! It's probably not diptheria because vaccines exist now!",
"Yeah, it's just a coincidence that pumping more foreign chemicals into developing children makes them sick.\n\nBut at least they didn't die! At least not till that cancer kills them.",
"( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) Lets be honest here, no guy wants to date a vegetarian anyway.",
"I wanna start this off by saying that I am in no way defending or agreeing with anti-vaxers. \n\nI think they've mostly moved past the autism talking point, either because it was obvious bullshit or because enough people were able talk them past it. Regardless, most seem to have moved on into full conspiracy mode, and a lot of talking points I see seem to revolve around two key points: 1) Vaccines carry inorganic, unnatural poison and 2) The doctors who administer them have been paid by \"big pharma\" to keep making people sick, and then selling them more \"poison\", all while telling people it makes them better. \n\nNow, obviously you can google your way to a sensible conclusion about the safety of vaccines...if you want to. And that's one of the biggest problems. People look for evidence that supports what they \"feel\" is right. I literally Googled \"proof that vaccines are bad\", and yet the first six links are all legitimate sources that say how important and needed vaccines are. I know it's easy to get frustrated at people and call them morons and throw stones at them because they're obviously blind to how biased they are, but in the end all we're going to do is make sure they dig themselves in deeper. \n\nIt's also important to know that they (or at least most) aren't doing this for selfish reasons. I personally think that the biggest thing driving the anti-vax movement is the illusion of control; uninformed people hear all these things from their social circles and when they do their own research and find what they consider to be legitimate evidence, they believe it. Then, when the time comes to vaccinate their own kids, the idea that saying yes to the vaccine and possible causing harm to their child is a lot more scary to them then doing nothing and something happening simply \"by chance\". \n\nThe best things we can do to end this terrible movement is to remain calm and informed, and to try and teach critical thinking and research skills to our younger generations. And always be informed and ready for discussion and debate. Just keep in mind that it may go nowhere, because you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it vaccinate its kids.",
"I hate it when people talk about heavy metals in vaccines. You know you get more from eating a can of tuna, right? \n\nThe problem is people rely on the media as their research. You shouldn't trust your sources until you yourself have actually read the primary publications and looked at the data, the statistical tests used, and the methodology used to collect said data. This means the ACTUAL scientific article that was written by the scientists themselves. Why? Because media relies on sensationalism. They write what's going to give them the most clicks. It's your duty as an educated member of the community to know the actual facts. I never trust news outlets when they write about science unless I've evaluated myself what the data tells me. I've yet to come across one major news outlet that's ever actually reported the science accurately. They're writers, not scientists. Even if they've watched all the Bill Nye shows. \n\nPeople that work in science get really frustrated when all of their life's work is skewed and incorrectly presented to the public as something crazy like \"you can inherit your ancestors' memories\" or \"you're in love with your smartphone\" or \"we've found a cure for cancer\"",
"Absolutely. Look how many of the wealthy from the 1700s lived into their 80s. It wasn't even a bit uncommon. \n\nHell, every 90 year old alive today didn't have the benefit of modem (and actually good) medicine for most of their lives (medical advances really taking off in the 60s and 70s)\n\nI highly doubt humans will ever routinely live past 90 or so, life expectancy being calculated as an average is absolutely stupid ",
"Here is Penn and Teller doing a demonstration of how vaccinations are effective even IF they caused autism (which they don't)\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfdZTZQvuCo",
"You don't know how they died. Could've fell of their scooters and whammed their head off the concrete. I guess you never thought of that, huh? Aggressive scootering? Think next time you post... ",
"Can confirm, my 4th baby is a pull out surprise! :D \n\nBirth control pills also failed us for #3. No method is 100%. ",
"I'm glad last week a took a diphtheria/tetanus vaccine (although diphtheria is practically eradicated in my country). ",
" I can not see it as a scientific certainty when I don’t trust people who create and administer them. Leaving this discussion now, thank you all for bullying me out. I’ll die soon with the rest, bye.",
"Why not thank the doctors and scientists?",
"the OP didn't say it was Danish, they said it was intelligible to them because they understand swedish. ",
"Some fought on for days. People used to be strong. ",
"And yet anyone who doesn't have an autistic son can play armchair dad and be smug in their supposed moral high ground. If these same people were in his shoes many would think exactly as he does. It's so easy to ascribe blame when you have no understanding or experience of the matter. ",
"https://i.imgur.com/ySK9rV6.png",
"Also, Africa today.",
"Those were different times. I remember reading one time about pioneers. They asked one woman how many kids she had and she replied \"18, 19? Who can recall. 13 that lived anyway.\" Things like that remind you how much better off we are.",
"The children died due to a lack of vaccinations. \n\nDiptheria in this case, apparently. ",
">I also will be his caregiver the rest of his life due to the severity.\n\nThis is kind of what I was referring to. For example, my brother has Autism but is very high functioning. If you talk with him, it's blatantly obvious that he's not neurotypical. But he's able to take care of himself and it's quite possible that he'll be able to live a somewhat normal life. I was mainly trying to observe that conversations on the feelings surrounding \"the autistic individual in one's life\" should be contextualized by the fact that Autism is a spectrum disorder and where on that spectrum they fall will be of significant importance.",
"That is assuming it is a completely cooperative decision and that there is not religion in the picture.\n\nA lot of it was probably down to \"TV not invented yet? Lift up your dress, Marie!\". Perfectly possible that they were not actively trying, but not really preventing it either.",
"One that loves taking an apparent moral high ground.",
"Death giving birth affected something like 1% of births, didn't it?",
"most autistic people probably have a more developed sense of decency than that dude.",
"My son taught himself to calculate the day of the week for arbitrary dates. Yes, he's current on his vaccines and always has been, and I wouldn't have it any other way. ",
"Much easier said than done. You are opening up a huge Pandora's Box.",
"Hah!\n\nWell, I do hear that we apparently have potatoes lodged in our throats, and that's why it's hard for you guys to understand us :D\n\n...That said, I have (or have had) Norwegian friends where we could talk in our native languages together, for the most part :P",
">to remind of\n\n*In memory of* should be a better translation although I'm Swedish so I give it a 50/50 that I'm wrong. ",
"Struggling to get the point until I reread the title:\n\nNot vacation... ",
"Oh ok you're an idiot.",
"Ah, I understand what you are saying. In the Netherlands, there is a separate health entity that handles the national vaccination program. This relieves family doctors of the burden.",
"I work in church where we run Pre-K and Religious Ed programs. We make them have vaccinations. Must be a Bible Belt thing",
"Everyone’s ancestors. We live in a strange time, when most people die old.",
"I only recently learned what diphtheria is, and that's because my son asked his pediatrician. Actually, he asked me on the car ride to the doctor's what vaccines *do*, and I gave him the basic jist. When he wanted to know what exactly the illnesses they prevent are, I told him the best person to ask was his doctor, so he did - and she gladly educated him/me in it. He was quite excited to learn, and even more excited that he's not due for boosters until he's 11 :)",
"RIP in peace. ",
"On 22 June 1903 they had their 10th baby, Rigmor Larsen. Their 5th child Hans Larsen had already died at the age of 6 months in 1893. They went on to have 16 children in total.\n\nI don't want to give any more info because a lot of their descendants are still alive today and I'm sure wouldn't appreciate being doxxed on reddit.",
"It's harder for a first-conception. If you've already been making babies since you were young, conceiving more as you get older isn't actually that hard. ",
"Maybe he adopted them. Maybe half are from an earlier marriage and he remarried somebody who also had kids. Just because he referred to them as \"his\" kids doesn't mean they have to be *biologically* his - so why are you so quick to judge?",
"Well then get them vaccinated, because the risk you're kids will get autism from a vacation is zero, nil, nada, none. Otherwise risk your kids contracting and possibly dying from preventable disease. How would than make you feel?",
"Not everyone had soap back then lol ..",
"Solid retort, champ.",
"That shows not only how important vaccines are, but also how far medicine has come since that picture. ",
"*rural America",
"I've been reading a few historical journals this winter, and that sort of thing was not uncommon in the past.",
"Yes they are.",
"Farm all day. Bang every night \n\nAnd all day every day during the winter",
"It could be the sign to the left saying it was a disease, plus there’s the fact it’s extremely unlikely they had even been in a car before, seeing as it was the early 1900s and all.",
"Whenever I hear this, I always think \"My parents probably thought the same thing about me when I was born... lol they certainly bet on the wrong horse.\"",
"Jesus bliver hos mig indeed.",
"People seem to make light of autism without realizing its a spectrum. (I'm not saying you're one btw - just wanted to put my side down). It's also surprisingly common, 1 in 100. The are a few people who say \"I'm autistic and I'm fine... \", they most likely have asperger's, as does my son now, but his is more severe.\n\nI have two autistic sons. They've both had vaccinations. The first is in his twenties now, and could not write here about his autism. When he was younger he would constantly move and scream. He only slept an hour a night, we were given chloral hydrate but that just made him drunk and awake. We'd take turns. I lost my job. We lost friends. We've never been on holiday together in the thirty years together. He wasn't toilet trained until 6, didn't speak apart from screams and dolphin noises until 8. We can't get a babysitter who will understand. He barely talks to us now, but it's better that the scratching, screaming, picking, chewing... everything. He chewed his first bed apart. We were broken from what we'd dealt with tbh.\n\nIt's easier now, but he still avoids our gaze, still needs our help with everything despite us trying to make him more independent. There's also problems like... How do I stop him dancing in a strange way to ANY music he listens to, or peer over people's shoulders while they play a game on the bus. We worry about his safety now he's older.\n\nI adore him, whether he loves me or not, but it isn't easier to deal with autism always - its been hard for my son, and it's deeply affected my wife and I and his siblings.\n\nBtw I have/had two uncles with diphtheria. One died, the other survived but is blind in one eye almost. Fuck that disease, get them vaccinated for everything.\n",
"Ahh, I’m sorry. That must have been a tough ride. I didn’t mean to sound insensitive to women struggling with infertility.\n\nI felt compelled to comment because I think before birth control, women didn’t have as much control as one would think. \n\nEdit: this was supposed to be a reply to someone else ",
"> It sets a tyrannical precedent that the government can do what it likes to you so long as it's \"for your own good\".\n\nThe authority of the government to compel vaccination is grounded in the idea that there is a compelling and overriding state interest in the public health. It's the same reason you can be detained and quarantined if you have a communicable disease.\n\nhttps://www.cdc.gov/quarantine/aboutlawsregulationsquarantineisolation.html\n\nhttps://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/42/264\n\nStates have had compulsory vaccination programs that the Supreme Court has time and time again upheld as valid. Religious and philosophical exemptions have been interwoven into state laws, but the Supreme Court has made clear that these exemptions are not necessary.\n\n\"The defendant insists that his liberty is invaded when the State subjects him to fine or imprisonment for neglecting or refusing to submit to vaccination; that a compulsory vaccination law is unreasonable, arbitrary and oppressive, and, therefore, hostile to the inherent right of every freeman to care for his own body and health in such way as to him seems best, and that the execution of such a law against one who objects to vaccination, no matter for what reason, is nothing short of an assault upon his person. But the liberty secured by the Constitution of the United States to every person within its jurisdiction does not import an absolute right in each person to be, at all times and in all circumstances, wholly freed from restraint. There are manifold restraints to which every person is necessarily subject for the common good. On any other basis, organized society could not exist with safety to its members. Society based on the rule that each one is a law unto himself would soon be confronted with disorder and anarchy. Real liberty for all could not exist under the operation of a principle which recognizes the right of each individual person to use his own, whether in respect of his person or his property, regardless of the injury that may be done to others.\"\n\n[Jacobson v Massachusetts (1905)](https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/197/11/case.html)\n\n\"And neither rights of religion nor rights of parenthood are beyond limitation. Acting to guard the general interest in youth's wellbeing, the state, as parens patriae, may restrict the parent's control by requiring school attendance, regulating or prohibiting the child's labor and in many other ways. Its authority is not nullified merely because the parent grounds his claim to control the child's course of conduct on religion or conscience. Thus, he cannot claim freedom from compulsory vaccination for the child more than for himself on religious grounds. The right to practice religion freely does not include liberty to expose the community or the child to communicable disease or the latter to ill health or death.\"\n\n[Prince v Massachusetts (1944)](https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/321/158/case.html)",
"Where did this happen? In the US? What state? Is it rural?",
"Denmark represent. (?)",
"I love that Dan Savage quote about the Duggars. 13 kids was not at all uncommon in those days though.",
"I'm from Ontario, Canada, and in municipalities in Ontario are required by law to keep proper cemetery records. Most cemetery records are maintained in a book by a really old dude, particularly the Catholic cemeteries. Technology solutions obviously offer better ways of storing this information, so the county I worked for had been using GIS students over a number of summers to digitize the cemetery records. They chose to do it in GIS because it also allows people from the public to look up the exact plot within the cemetery that relatives or whoever are located. They got the idea from the City of Brandon, Manitoba (http://gis.brandon.ca/CemeteryMap/). \n\nThe county collected all the data directly using students and they host all the data internally. I haven't checked to see if they have an application up and running yet. ",
"https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/09/29/our-infant-mortality-rate-is-a-national-embarrassment/",
"Just giving an example of things I see on a surprisingly frequent basis.",
"They're one in the same, but I agree.",
"I can't even imagine. One night you're singing to them and feeding them and talking to them and the next you're wondering what to bury them in. Your post broke my heart. I'm so glad my babies won't suffer like this. ",
"Realistically i think it's simpler than that. We like fuckin' and there was no birth control",
"I apologise for taking two minutes to look up what it meant before commenting about how it's not propaganda",
"Maybe smallpox? \n(Someone may have already speculated on this, I'm not about to read through 1.4k comments)\nBased on the last name I looked up common childhood diseases/ epidemics and found this really interesting article *warning some disturbing images of children with smallpox* http://sciencenordic.com/epidemic-was-wiped-out ",
"Would you really, though? I don’t know how I’d be able to just move on like that",
"I found out recently that around 1918 my great grandfather, who was one of 11, lost 7 of his brothers and sisters in the flu epidemic that hit Philadelphia. It's terrifying what can happen without proper medical care being available. ",
"And none were autistic.",
"Someone of reddit referred to their hemorrhoids as \"husband might think they resemble grapes and bite em\" on a thread about ass eating. I still eat ass, but that was just unpleasant . ",
"Atleast spare this non political post you cunts.",
"He died at 33.",
"It used to be the norm. While not being 100% desensitized, they did know the mortality rate was very high, and that out of 10+ children, they'd lose a few.",
"I read it as “vacation” like 4 times. I mean...",
"Australia?",
"Today I found Jesus in a Danish.",
"My brother is the same as your cousin. I fear people with those views are becoming much more common, so when they do have kids a lot of them will not he vaccinated. I can definitely see an epidemic occurring within the next 50 years or so due to anti-vaxxers.",
"I take it you haven't looked at life expectancy over time then. ",
"Jesus bliver hos mig!",
"I read this as \"vacation\" and thought \"wooowee I better book a trip right now.\"\n\nI need coffee and to get rid of this flu.",
"Because anti-vaxxers are a control group to prove that vaccinations work.",
"To get some GIS experience. And ya, it was a pretty sweet job. ",
"vaccine shots fired",
"But in today's italy...not so much.",
"At least they weren't autistic /s.",
"lvl 6 here, can't wait for end-game!",
"Also, not all families back then had that many kids, just the ones we are descended from...\n\nThere's some selection bias.",
"I... uhm... wow... ",
"Of fucking course he’s an anti vaxxer! ",
"Keep being a nuisance then.",
"No. It's not the best. It's the best when there are everyone is vaccinated.",
"I heard that quote. I had to listen to it twice to make sure I heard it right (my husband played the clip on his computer). As soon as I was sure I heard the words correctly, I knew exactly what was going on. He wanted to say something that would denote abortion, but instead he said something that denoted birth. So what he actually said was that birth is bad. I said \"what a dumbass\" out loud and my husband explained that he was at a pro-life rally and meant to say \"ripped.\" Of course he did, and of course he was. That's why he's a dumbass.",
"Quit grandstanding about unrelated bullshit. \n\nIt doesn't matter if you have capitalism or socialism or whathaveyou: if you don't have the population vaccinated, people will die of preventable diseases.\n\nThese people were killed by diphtheria. ",
"Marie was 15\n\nHolger was 13\n\nAnna was 6\n\nKlara was 4\n\nEllen was 2.\n\nThe bottom translate to \"Jesus stay with me\". Good lord those poor parents..\nWhat a tragedy :(",
"your parents should have stopped at 0",
"Oh shut the fuck up.",
"These people are just people who want to feel morally superior but dont actually have empathy ",
"You can *choose* a reason. ...and if you get a group of people to agree with you, you can *create* a religion based on science and philosophy.",
"Work related stress",
"How many cancers does he have, Doc?",
"People don't realize how common death was in 'the good ol' days'™",
"It was more common that day, but still.",
"I love my old rural cemeteries here in Pennsylvania. They are all names of families you went to school with, and people that are still prevalent in the area today. And most of the family Graves have atleast 2 or 3 infants plots around.\n\nReally sad to see when the time line of their life isn't even 10 years. Alot of infants, but suprising amount of young children. ",
"Marie was 15\n\nHolger was 13\n\nAnna was 6\n\nKlara was 4\n\nEllen was 2.\n\nWhat a tragedy :(",
"You must be reading some subreddits I've never heard of.\n\nIn my 7 years on Reddit I've never read any Islam or Mohammed worshiping comments.\n\nUnless you think sympathizing with civilians in war-torn countries is suddenly religious worship in your eyes.",
"I get what you mean. But a title like \"this is what happened when vaccinating wasn't an option\" sounds like making a political point to me. Of course it has to be allowed somewhere, I just don't consider this sub as the right one, but there's worse things in this world. Thanks for not reacting aggressively like lots of people would, or just starting to downvote me to hell because I don't have the same opinion as them. ",
"But even the president is saying vaccines cause autism. And he doesn't speak unless he has all the facts. /s\n\nhttps://mobile.twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/449525268529815552?lang=en",
"Beats my frozen hellhole whose only cultural food is poutine, I’ll tell you that much.\n\nGoing in China I realized how uncultured Canada’s cuisine was. People asked me our national dishes all the time and I was like uhh there’s poutine and tourtière and hmm... meanwhile they could name 20 dishes that are unique to their home province in China. \n\nMy entire country has less “food culture” than a Chinese city of 7 millions people.",
"Fun fact: the worst flu strains - think 1918 - trigger immune reactions that kill strong, healthy people more often.",
"What the fuck? I'd almost gone a whole day without being surprised by something idiotic he's said or done. ",
"Just keep swimming ",
"Reminds me of my grandfather. He was one of 4 kids. He was the only one to survive childhood. My great grandma had a breakdown. People would hear her talking to her dead kids. She snapped out of it when my grandpa started having kids, which he had 9. ",
"Good questions and I definitely agree. I think vaccines should be required of kids to go to public school and for the parents to receive tax benefits for having children. However, government forced vaccines is terrifying and dystopian. Especially so nowadays with everything we type/say being monitored in some form by companies/government. Have some wrongthink and oops, we accidentally sterilized you, but oh well you'll never know. ",
"My great grand mother who will be 104 in February. Watched 2 of her siblings die, when she was 13 years old my great great grandmother had another girl every time her heart would beat blood would come out of her mouth from her throat, being in the middle of nowhere there was nothing that could be done. My 13 year old great grandmother held her baby sister in her arms as she bled out.",
"> Losing 5 babies in a week?\n\nThey were 15, 12, 5, 4 and 2.",
"While I agree with you about questioning them making more “not gon invent shit (burr)” people, 12 acres of resources part is rediclous. \n\nAlso don’t worry, the iq advantage of your children won’t make it much if competition. And who the tuck competes anyway anymore? Everyone gets to survive! \n\nReplacement rate is 2.1 by the way. ",
"F",
"If you read my comment again, you'll see that I'm casting no judgment on this guy. I was simply telling the user I responded to, to read his comments. The user I responded to alleged that his reason for wanting a normal kid was not selfish. All I said was that isn't true. He doesn't want a kid at all. ",
"Why would you reset the clock (twice) at 15???",
"yes brother, I know what has to be done\n\n*raises knife*",
"What do you think this is, Facebook or something? ",
"I am probably late and nobody will read this comment, but it reminded me of the time when I was looking through some sort of \"death book\" in one small Czech village when trying to connect some dots in my family tree. \n\nThe records were written chronologically. From time to time, there were some multiple deaths under the same surname, but nothing too big.\n\nThen suddenly there were records of 5 or 6 children written in like two weeks in the 1870s. The youngest was just 2 months old, the oldest 10 years or so. They have all died of some illness, can't remember which one. Then, a few days later, there was a record of their father. Cause of death - he hanged himself. ",
"Doesn't matter. If they want 5 kids, they can have 5 kids.\n\nOther families don't want kids. It's a balance.\nEven if they only had 2 kids, the overall population will give birth to more and more children.\nWe will be at 8 billion by 2020... no reason to bash a family for having a lot of kids.",
"and he had a long and happy life!",
"They were. A lot of them chose to proceed with births even though it was extremely dangerous. My whole family wouldnt be here if they called a quits. ",
"You can *choose* a purpose. ...and when many people do so in unison, it is a powerful thing.",
"Eh, id argue the upper class created it to gain control, since royals were \"chosen by God\". The poor just bought into it because it gave them reason to live as good people, as well as hope for a happy afterlife.",
"Better check WebMD to figure out what kind of cancer you also have. ",
"But at least they didn't have autism.",
"I thought the same. No way he said THAT. Click.... ....FFS, donald, please stop. ",
"Whenever someone post anything without /s no matter how obvious still gets a ton of comments taking it serious. I didn't want any of those. ",
"Child mortality increases fertility across all cultures. Less mortality, less children born.",
"It doesn't say that they were still alive.",
"There's a lot of superiority and judgement in this thread. Which is fine because strong sentiment drives social change. But as a healthcare provider I know only 15-20% of you will get the flu vaccine this year and less than that get properly vaccinated prior to travel. Just saying. ",
"You should check back in on that. There are some new recommendations for those with egg allergies (if thats the issue for you) and they can safely get seasonal influenza vaccines. ",
"Which is why we need a wall for you hosers too!",
"That is a misleading interpretation. Compare it to parts of the world without the vast majority vaccinated. Or before the vaccine existed.",
"Not all kids can be vaccinated, for medical reasons. They are currently protected by the herd immunity.\n",
"My ancestors, and their parents, went to Tuberculosis. That particular fight is not won yet.",
"Isn't pertussis one of those diseases that we may have only once in a lifetime? After that you're permanently immunized. ",
"Probably went to church.",
"True, but I think in varying degrees that it does involve similar behaviors no? ",
"Troll",
"Yeah, I mean, one of my great uncles was blinded in one eye from having measles as a kid. You don’t send your kids over to someone’s house to have a party for that.",
"Sounds a lot like mono",
"Well four babies and a grand baby. Ellen was Marie’s first born.",
"But they all died traditional, natural, organic, non-GMO deaths.",
"Not what he said at all but you will believe anything your liberal overlords will tell you.",
"Yes, but that can't be the only thing we focus on. Anti-vax folks will shout to the rooftops about how we have better sanitation now so it's all good. When the thing that can kill you can float through the air on droplets from just one person coughing... No amount of sanitation will be effective at stopping that part of transmission. ",
"Agreed.",
"Be a responsible adult and get vaccinated and contribute to are herd immunity ",
"Do you want a shovel to help you dig that hole?",
"You've had two?! I've had zero you selfish prick.\n\nWe're already devastating the planet at current population levels and your horny ass still keeps breeding. Disgraceful.",
"This is quite literally why religion is all about sex only being for procreation, anti-birth control etc. \n\nThe reason it goes so far as even being anti-masturbation is because the original issue was \"spilling seed.\" As far as they knew, you jack off and that's less babies for when 5 of them die one week. ",
"> But it was hygiene that killed people more-so back in the day, not JUST the diseases.\n\nDiphtheria is preventable via vaccination.\n\nThese kids wouldn't have had to worry about it (statistically) had they had vaccines available.\n\nYou can live in the most hygienic environment on earth and die from measles, because measles isn't associated to human fecal matter, or a lack of ability to bathe.\n\n> From a humane approach it’s something I think we are all maybe a little too susceptible to trusting.\n\nTrusting one of the greatest discoveries in human kind that has ensured that entire generations have been birthed without having to worry about dying en masse at a young age?\n\nVaccinations have made mothers and fathers losing their children to illness a rarity, and a true tragedy. Prior to vaccinations, it was just another Tuesday. \n\n> Many doctors and nurses don’t report injuries or deaths from vaccines because they’re terrified of losing their jobs, I know a few who have told me the same. \n\nYour anecdotal evidence is pointless, and worthless.\n\nIt's anecdotal. It isn't evidence of anything. The child mortality rates are themselves sufficient evidence of the extreme efficacy of vaccinations.\n\nThe fact that some kids **do** die from vaccinations (something that happens) is actually pretty irrelevant, because the chances of that happening are tiny compared to the death rate associated to various diseases pre-vaccination. Imagine the following:\n\nYou're given two revolvers, with space for 100 bullets in them (yes, they're large). In the first one, you have one bullet, and 99 blanks. In the other you have 10 bullets, and 90 blanks. You're now told to take one of the guns, and aim at your kids head. Which do you take?\n\nNote: these numbers are also vastly off. The chances of dying from a vaccination are literally astronomical compared to the chances of dying from measles without the vaccination.\n\n> I think pro-vaxx need to be a little more open and not call all of us crazy, my oldest sister got her vaccines as a child and ended up in a coma for 2 weeks\n\nI'm sorry that happened. It is the true definition of bad luck. The chances of a severe allergic reaction to vaccines is minuscule. Your sister is literally unbelievably unlucky.\n\n> Injuries and deaths aren’t as rare as people think, do your research people.\n\nI have. Even if the injuries and deaths were under-reported by a factor of 1000, **you're still statistically better off getting vaccinated than not.**\n\nVaccinate. Your. Kids.",
"The plaque says \"in memory of teacher Larsen and wife Emilie's five children who died of Diphtheria in 1903,\" so I don't think so.",
"Lol, he was referring to the saying itself, not your comment, chill out.",
"Only vaccine one of my sons couldn't get because of his egg allergy :( . Please herd immunity pls.",
"I have a few examples of this in my family tree. Several of them Danish like this photo. Incredibly sad. The most sad one I have found in my genealogical research are some distant cousins in the US. 5 siblings killed by 5 separate car accidents as teens/young adults in the 1950s. I cannot imagine being their parents.",
"Anyone else read the word \"vacation\" and think some man went on a rampage? No? I need a vacation...",
">People had children for different reasons in the past as compared with modern times.\n\nLack of birth controls and the women couldn't say no.",
"Two types of people. Those that say \"fuck it what's the point\" and those that say \"hmm, I wonder if the other side of the hill is any better\". In the case in point I don't think I'd fault either decision but personally I've always been more of a \"Hmm, I wanna see how much more fucked this can get\" kinda guy soooo ye.",
"Dammit....wrong site",
"It's more or less been the same for decades. But don't worry, it'll take a sharp downturn once socialized healthcare is implemented.",
"It's probably cancer... Or lupus ",
"I've found several of those in the oldest section of the local graveyard, from the 1800's.\n\nThose poor fathers.",
"Nope, diseases hurt people. Not vaccinating may allow those diseases to be more common, but the *negative* action of not vaccinating itself, is not causing harm. It's enabling harm, or *indirectly* causing harm, but not directly causing harm.\n\n&nbsp;\n\nThere's an argument to be made for legislating against indirect harm, for example 'Good Samaritan' laws, stating that you can't just watch someone being hurt and not try to help. However... there's limits to this idea. If you are a 110 pound, scrawny person, and you're seeing 10 huge buff dudes beat a man to death, it would be unreasonable to expect you to try and intervene.\n\n&nbsp;\n\nSo back on vaccinations, I think the most sensible position is that if you don't vaccinate, you can't send your kid to public school (and private schools should adopt the same, internal policy) But nobody should force anyone to have anything injected into them at gunpoint, ever.",
"But how far does that go? \n\nThe government should not have that power ",
"... then a wolverine comes in and steals the afterbirth. ",
"Send her to this link, I can't re-post it enough times, is very informative: http://howdovaccinescauseautism.com/\n",
"For some reason this makes me so sad :(",
"Plus there was no Netflix so you had to entertain yourself somehow ",
"I just translated \"Jesus bliver hos mig\" it says \"Jesus stays with me\" ... Cannot imagine this kind of faith in Jesus after losing 5 children in a week... ",
"When I was in middle school there was a missionary family we were really close to with kids my age. They went to Sudan for missions work, had a baby, the baby got malaria and died. When they came back the kids were never the same. Some life had been drained out of them. Probably the devastation they saw and definitely the loss of their sister. It was very sobering at 12 years old.",
"don't worry, you are not the only one",
"Right??? My mom even got me the HPV vaccines right when it came out, when I was a teen. My dad ended up having head & neck cancer from the hpv virus. It's no joke to prevent what u can. ",
"Tell that to the west coast Indians when smallpox hit. Inter tribe trade was enough to wipe them out and they lived at lot lower densities.\n\nThe Indian exhibit at Victoria BC has a great overview of it. Fur trappers and loggers reported seeing village after village empty or with dead outside.",
"You should have three more to even things out.",
"Nah. That's church propaganda. Most women who choose abortion early in their term feel positive or neutral about it. Also, most women who miscarry early in their term don't even know it. A zygote fails to attach to the uterine lining and simply comes out in the menses. Just a part of their period.",
"Have 10 kids and try not to get too attached. ",
"Do you know how science works? This lie was started by (former Dr.) Andrew Wakefield in the UK. Turned out, he was being funded by solicitors (lawyers) who were trying to sue vaccine manufacturers. The most damning thing about his study, as far as society should be concerned, is that no one has been able to duplicate his findings. He did his study in 1988.\n\nThere have been scores of studies about this. None have duplicated his findings. Autism starts to present itself between 14 and 24 months. It's is not diagnosed before 36 months.\nThe last childhood vaccine (other than flu) is given at 18 months. \n\nOne of my best friends fell for this hokum. He did not vaccinate his son. His son was still diagnosed with autism. He needlessly endangered the lives of his 5 children because of this proven lie. ",
"Or get into real estate.",
"Misread the headline as “vacation,” thought someone went on a stress induced killing spree",
"I miss read this as vacation",
"Gotta have your dip-tet!",
"Maybe you’re him incarnate ",
"BloodyOath",
"Parent of an autistic child here. I’d rather have my living autistic sweet heart than a child who died from preventable disease. ",
"haha, way to take it personal, ya melon...\n\nim talking about the quote at the end. and not referring to your content or intentions regarding. \n\nhas nothing to do with you, and everything with the 19th century quote. ",
"Ibuprofen can *technically* have death as a possible side effect, doesn't mean anything.",
"U ok?",
"Emelie",
"I can hire someone to get rich for me and get some cash out of them. Sweet.",
"I won’t pretend to know, but I do know when you have a kid they recommend you get re vaccinated every time. I work in a much different side of the medical field. ",
"My God man, I know they married early back then, but at 12 they are still children. ",
"You might think not trusting actual scientific evidence makes you special and clever and somehow more aware than other people. \n\nIt doesn't. It just makes you more likely to die and kill others with your own ignorance. ",
"SOLID ADVICE! Thanks! ",
"There is a proven risk from the MMR vaccine. I get the other vaccines but until they allow the MMR to be split into unique vaccines of 3, I’ll pass. My kids won’t die of measles or mumps if they get it and Rubella is eradicated. ",
"Read that as \"vacation\"",
"Get vaccinated. Eat the GMO salad. Have a nice hormone steak. And wash it all down with a nice glass of fluoride contaminated water. ",
"Even if you are a Literal Doctor, I cant take what you're saying to heart after getting a flu shot and a day later a two week round of illness hits me. I had pneumonia and meningitis shots in 2014 along with the flu shot, and unless they can alter the way vaccinations are made, I wont be getting another.\n\nOn that note ive read that newer vaccines are being made that dont need to use any part of the virus, and that is a ship I will sail on.",
"And those above 7 only with written consent from both parents",
"Proper medical support includes mental support.",
"Seems to me the reason to have ten kids is because sex is fun.",
"it was",
"The flu vaccine is not like the others. The flu vaccine should never be mandatory, because that one causes serious negative effects and usually doesn't work. Everyone I know who gets the flu vaccine gets the flu.",
"This year was bad. The flu shot was only effective for 1 in 10. Sometimes that happens with the flu.",
"Apparently these parents did, so show some respect to other people's beliefs.",
"Would you like a time machine to go back and tell her?",
"There's no test for autism in the womb, dumbass.",
"If it makes you feel better, the 3 people I know IRL who are outspoken about their anti vax beliefs aren't so because they're afraid of autism. ",
"At least they didnt have autisim!\n^/s",
"But at least none of them were autistic, right?\n/s",
"I read \"vaccination\" as \"vacation\" and I was so confused what the meaning behind this was.",
"Yes.\n\nNothing quite like scientific accuracy. We just want to live in our bubble of misinformation and conspiracy theories!",
"> Well I am personally against seat belt laws, child restraint laws, and helmet laws. Also not everywhere has those exact same laws.\n\n\nFucking what",
"Yeah but now we have autism. ",
"He survived the abortion",
"Yeah I know. A friend of ours has a son with a more sever version of autism. I think he is about 10 now but still can't really speak and I don't know if he ever will. They communicate mostly trough an iPad, which seems to work best. \n\nI can't imagine how rough it must have been for you. Take care!",
"That's what the gubmint wants you know think, SHEEPLE!",
"Very rural and/or religious family?",
"Good God I shouldn't have laughed at this. I am a terrible person.\n",
"...don't thank god for vaccines, thank science. ",
"It's okay we have things like Azithromycin for that if it's bacterial",
"That’s why vacations are so important. Everyone should get a minimum paid 2 weeks off a year. Even children!",
"The Amish have fairly high rates of vaccination, at least in my area.\n\nBut you're right, Lower rates of vaccination has led to higher hospitalization rates in their children.\n\nhttp://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/140/3/e20170298?sso=1&sso_redirect_count=1&nfstatus=401&nftoken=00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000&nfstatusdescription=ERROR%3a+No+local+token",
"Oh piss off. ",
"All blacks fans, RIP",
"Thanks! Bookmarked.",
"But they died because of a precursor to the vaccine for an easily treatable disease without vaccines... I am pretty sure the parents of these kids would be anti vax nuts after this tragedy.",
"[That's exactly what he said](https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/449525268529815552?lang=en)\n",
"Be careful. Don't want to recruit any autistic great people to your civilization. I hear their retire bonus is garbage.",
"Thats not how it works. His genetics where fucked from pregnancy. Not because of vaccines either. But keep pretending you have a clue. ",
"not political! it's religious and goes along with the pic, which has Jesus in it.",
"I prayed this wasn't a link to Twitter. Prayed.\n\nDear god what did we do as a country to deserve this.",
"Yes.\n\nThey don't understand how fucking difficult it would be.\n\nAs for everyone else, we have to deal with the socially and functionally retarded in our lives but nobody thinks about the poor parents that have to take care of them for the rest of their life.",
"You're welcome!",
"turn that frown upside down...",
"Worst weekend ever.",
"This makes their argument s so much more ridiculous. Even if vacation caused autism, dead kids are still worse. WTF anti vaxers!?!?",
"> Woohoo ~~vaccine propaganda~~ **science**!!\n\nFTFY",
"What kind of things does he do that arent normal?",
"This sounds like a word problem for a math test in Hell. ",
"> Dear god\n\nI have personally seen birth records from my great great uncle's family. \n\n27 Children. 2 wives. First one died in childbirth. Looking at the birth's recorded in the front of the family bible is hilarious. First record \"(first name) (middle name) (2nd middle name) (last name) (Month day, Year of birth) (date of death) (cause of death).\n\nEvery 3-4th child has less info recorded. Entries 26 and 27 simply say Boy, year. Girl, Year.\n\n",
"Which vaccins should I take for reach your level ? \n",
"Or even 2 babies on the dame day? That mother had to be devastated. ",
"They all died of Chicken Pox?",
"Just smoke some pot. That's my vaccination !",
"What did they diagnose high functioning autism as? Just them being eccentric people? ",
"We have more vaccines because more have been discovered and approved. \n\nThat's a good thing.\n\nIn 30 years, well probably have even more. ",
"Not in Africa. Africa's population has doubled since 1991 and is projected be double what it is today in 2051. This is not a sustainable rate. ",
"How does that viewpoint mesh with the fact that /r/atheism was a default subreddit for most of reddit's existence, and is still a very central one?",
"Worth the watch... \n\nPBS:Influenza 1918\n\nIt was the worst epidemic in American history, killing over 600,000 — until it disappeared as mysteriously as it had begun.\n\nhttp://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/films/influenza/\n\n\ngovernment tv teaching all this knowledge without commercials....liberals.... smh ",
"And there are vaccines against diphtheria: https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd/diphtheria/index.html ",
"This breaks my heart",
"Out of 22 candidates (17 Republicans, 5 Democrats), two represented anything other than \"the same things that have been not working for the last forty years\". He was the only one of those two to get through the primaries.",
"Says the guy who thinks a draft-dodging, lying and malignantly narcissistic serial adulterer is a god emperor.",
"It is _the_ argument, more or less. But you still have to agree that a fetus qualifies as something that have those rights. And where the carriers freedom over their body stops and the fetus' begins. Just being pregnant can impede the carriers \"pursuit of one’s own happiness\".\n\nSolidly pro-abortion here, but I would never claim that there is not a valid argument to be had over it. ",
"After working in a public health center I can say that most people who are anti-vacc quickly turn that opinion around once they see their kid of 3 almost choking to death, due to whooping cough.",
"You underestimate the human will to survive. . . or lack it. ",
"Kids were workers, young adults. Not children. ",
"I thought it said this is what happens when vacation isn't an option.",
"Just let the anti-vaxxers die off. Let social-Darwinism take its course. ",
"After the rain, comes the rainbow. Congratulations to you and your wife. ",
"Yup my grandad was one of 16. I only ever met his 3 sisters. But he never met half of them. :( ",
"This breaks my heart :(",
"Did they have vaccines back then?",
"This is why I get so upset when my mother-in-law gripes about how many vaccines our child is getting. Saying, “We only had 3 vaccines when I was growing up, I don’t know why he needs so many!” Yeah, and infant mortality was also way higher then! I don’t care if the odds of my child coming into contact with blood infected with Hep B are super low, I’m not going to risk it just so he doesn’t scream for 10 minutes.",
"Doesn't that kinda go the other way though? Bioligically, our instincts are to have lots of sex because humans that had more sex had more babies that survived to adulthood. \n\nHumans have evolved for a good 200,000 years, and we only have an ok recorded history for the past 4,000. ",
"No. You can have it repeatedly, albeit that's less likely.",
"I’ve just come from basking in the glory of Bill Murray, to this. \n\nTalk about a kick in the stones. Eesh. ",
"I had a friend on FB that after I posted a pro-vaccine rant (there had been a measles outbreak in my area, my daughter was still too young to have got hers, and she’d been to the doctor the same day as one of the confirmed cases... so needless to say I was rather concerned), went off on my post about the “dangers” of vaccinations and how she hadn’t known better when her kids were growing, but her daughter had taught her otherwise since having her own kids. She just went on and on about all the dangerous chemicals in the vaccines... so I got the ingredients list for the most commonly used measles vaccine in my region, and proceeded to inform her what each ingredient was, what it’s purpose in the vaccine was for, and what sort of effects it could have on the human body.\n\nI discovered a week later she had deleted and blocked me 🤣\n\nIt’s nice to be respectful and all, but the fact of the matter is, the anti-vaccine movement is putting people’s lives in danger.",
"Even if it did, at this point I would say the opportunity cost is worth it. \n\nIn no way do I think they do. ",
"If you were poor and lived in a city you'd live to 55+ if you didn't die young or from child birth complications. Wealthy city folk lived 70+ generally.\n\nRural folk tended to live 70+ if they made it to adult age.\n\nThe lack of hygiene and crowded conditions of a city increased the chance of getting extremely ill later in life, causing the lower life expectancy.\n\nEither way you'd generally live a fairly long life if you didn't die young, and if a woman survived to menopause she'd live longer than most men.\n\nEven living into ones 80s wasn't particularly noteworthy, many historical records of people (mostly women) living past 80 in ancient times.",
"You're so ignorant. ",
"for too long was i reading vacation instead of vaccination and was confused as heck!",
"I agree. But do you think the distribution of anti-vax \"propaganda\" should be called so and controlled? I want to go back to when those people were a crazy fringe group.",
"If only the anti-vaxxers saw this.",
"Hahahhaa. That’s the survivor mentality this world needs. ",
"If some people are too stupid to wear seatbelts, then laws should make them.",
"Your doc was correct. Go back to medical school.",
"islam is very protected by many redditors from the same criticism rightfully applied to Christianity here. They'll still equate modern islam and its \"meh\" attitude towards terrorism-of-infidels to the Crusades, Inquisition, and other 700+ year-old, long-dead Jesus-worshipper practices.\n\nyou just aren't paying enough attention.",
"What in god's green hell are you talking about? \n \nhttps://www.sst.dk/en/disease-and-treatment/vaccination/childhood-vaccination-programme\n \n> The vaccinations are free of charge, and parents decide whether to vaccinate their children. General practitioners carry out the vaccination.",
"> it doesn't really affect one's life. \n\nYes it does, that's the whole fucking problem with religion: it affects people's lives and not only the lives of the people believing, but also the livs of people not believing or believing in something else. \n\n",
"Probably.",
"\"In memory of teacher L.H. Larsen and wife Emilie's five children who died of diphtheria in 1903\"",
"The funny part of the story is that when my grandmother came to France to run from Mussolini, years later she asked for the nationality and asked the Italian government for her birth certificate and they sent over the one of the child that died, so legally my grandmother is 2 years older than she actually is.",
"Our house just really needed more screaming. ",
"I'm not almost crying on the bus. ",
"Wow, pro-science, pro-not-dying propaganda on the front page of reddit. Typical!\n\n",
"http://fortune.com/2017/02/16/donald-trump-autism-vaccines/\n\nhttps://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-to-meet-with-proponent-of-debunked-tie-between-vaccines-and-autism/2017/01/10/4a5d03c0-d752-11e6-9f9f-5cdb4b7f8dd7_story.html?tid=a_mcntx&utm_term=.c2b02bf25274\n\nhttps://www.statnews.com/2017/08/21/trump-vaccine-commission-robert-kennedy/\n\nhttps://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-to-meet-with-proponent-of-debunked-tie-between-vaccines-and-autism/2017/01/10/4a5d03c0-d752-11e6-9f9f-5cdb4b7f8dd7_story.html?tid=a_mcntx&utm_term=.3fb65314a6de\n\n\"I am totally in favor of vaccines. But I want smaller doses over a longer period of time. Because you take a baby in — and I’ve seen it — and I’ve seen it, and I had my children taken care of over a long period of time, over a two or three year period of time.\n\nSame exact amount, but you take this little beautiful baby, and you pump — I mean, it looks just like it’s meant for a horse, not for a child, and we’ve had so many instances, people that work for me.\"",
"My husband is going through something similar. He refuses to seek help. Do you have any perspective on what I can do from my end? This is destroying our marriage. ",
"Jesus crashes on my couch",
"Literally everything you just wrote is wrong. You're a terrible parent.",
"I know, but they had that as well. Doesnt mean they have to change their views though.",
"I cannot imagine the agony that those parents felt.",
"Yeah, when the spectrum ranges from \"mildly eccentric but otherwise normal individual\" to \"non-verbal, wheelchair-bound and in diapers\", then it doesn't make much sense to paint everybody on it with the same brush.",
"/r/theydidthemath",
"Send help",
"I jumped the gun a bit on the selfless part then. :/ ",
"I have a buddy who has an older brother with autism and a younger brother with autism. His older brother is kinda odd but he functions normally. His younger brother is almost 18, still doesn’t speak in sentences, and choked his mom to the point of being unconscious on several occasions.",
"> I just don't consider this sub as the right one\n\nLooks like the mods do",
"See it as natural selection, the dumb dying first. ... Well back then it was rough and dramatic, sad. Today its just dumb. ",
"You have to leave him behind, man. He's too far gone. Come on up here with the rest of us.",
"Holy shit, reread the comment and don't take things so personally. He's saying that the people saying that were gate keeping, not you.\n\nThere's literally no reason to take it personally at all.",
"> were\n\nA very important word. [Nowadays, South Korea has the 12th-lowest under-five mortality rate.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_infant_and_under-five_mortality_rates)",
"Man, the poor parents. People who don't vaccinate their kids are lucky they will (probably) never have this happen to them as everyone else got vaccinated. They should show every anti vaxxer this sign ",
"Live in third world and this is true of the people living in the cities and not so much the rural parts. People who live on the farms here typically wind up with 6 or 7 kids.",
"Because you don’t understand philosophy...\nI agree with you actually, but this is the internet, so I’m gonna disagree for the duration of this comment:\nASD is a description of the function of someone’s brain. Having ASD is just as much a part of your mind, your inner self, as any character trait. (It just makes you less able to function in the world, which is why it’s an illness.) since ASD is a part of a person’s inner self, saying “choose for your child *not* to have autism.” Is essentially the same as choosing to get rid of this child, and replace them with a different child who will allow you an easier life and have an easier life themselves than the first child. I’m not saying it’s wrong, I’m just saying it’s murder.\nOn the subject of difficult moral choices: morality, although not necessarily absolute, does not actually care about which choice you fervently wish was the right choice. Just because you have a strong preference to one choice, or you are under a lot of pressure, does not make that choice more “right”. It does make it more forgivable, because only deliberate evil merits forgiving and there is less of that in such a biased choice, but it doesn’t actually affect the morality of the situation.\nSo fixing your child’s autism is murder, but you shouldn’t feel bad about it, because you’re replacing the dead child with a new one, and because you’re a weak human who shouldn’t feel too bad when you cave.\nAnyone who finds the glaring faults in this argument gets five potatoes.",
"I feel bad for both the children, and the parents. Both got an unlucky straw and I really can see why the parent would not love his child, or might even hate the child. It's really human, and it's understandable if you have any capability to throw your ego out and put yourself into an other person's shoes",
"Point taken. But people certainly don’t view child deaths as inevitable. In fact, it’s regarded as a particularly heinous horror, “every parent’s worst nightmare,” rather than a mere fact of life. ",
"):",
"N\n\nN\n\nN\n\nN\n\nN",
"Woohoo public health and anti-death propaganda!!\n\n",
"Wherever people want the emphasis of vulgarity without actually being vulgar.",
"Vaccines are propaganda now?\n\nWHO KNEW???",
"They probably believe the vaccines don't work at all, or if they get sick we'll just bring them to the hospital kind of thing. ",
"You should have reported them anonymously.",
"That picture just makes me sad.\n\nIt makes me even sadder, that there are really people out there, who **choose** not to vaccinate their kids.",
">ya melon \n \nMy fucking sides",
"Just squeeze out more. Nothing to take the sadness besides sex when everything else is too expensive. ",
"That's quite a span between 18 and 3! Congrats to your beautiful family.",
"“If you stand for nothing, what will you fall for”",
"Lol! Great! For all I know, she has blocked me too. By respectful, I just don't get as angry in my posts to her. I still make sure to inform her why she is wrong at every chance. I'm a pretty laid-back person that avoids confrontation at all costs, but anti-vaxxers are worth the confrontation.",
"Well at least they didn’t have autism.",
"I don't accept that it's a political point though. What is said is a fact, after all.\n\nI'm personally actually quite doubtful about certain novel vaccines (i.e. things like flu vaccines), and I think that it is a severe mistake to use things like mercury and aluminium compounds as adjuvants in vaccines that are intended to mandatory (since a thing intended to be mandatory should be made so that even the most paranoid person can see that that thing is obviously safe and mercury and aluminium are far from that). But informing people about history is still sensible; and it's not as if though we have an alternative to vaccinations (although I really like the idea of somehow directly training people's immune systems to produce antibodies without actually vaccinating, but I don't know if that's possible at all).",
"This is simply not true. Even in developed nations like the USA life expectancy has increased for many groups such as African Americans plus you have improvements outside the West as well in the last few decades (with the exception of a number of Africans countries due to HIV). ",
"Should've clarified, i meant everyone i know who has dealt with it. I personally see it as morally wrong, but you can't stop people throwing babies into dumpsters and a lot of the people who abort would be shitty parents anyways so.",
"My younger brother makes 7.25 an hour, (minimum wage in Louisiana) and he can still afford condoms. It must be a miracle /s",
"He is racist, he did say shithole and someone in his campaign did mingle with Russians trying to peddle dirt on Hillary. All of that is true. ",
"This is what happened before Penicillin was a thing.",
"Better dead then autistic.",
"But then you would create pockets of none vaccinated children, which sounds dangerous. \n\nEdit: changed vaccinated to none vaccinated. ",
"When you have a kid or someone you’re close to has a baby you’re recommended to get the Tdap again to make sure the baby doesn’t catch anything before they have a chance to get their first round of vaccines.",
"I readily admit that reddit's left side taking up for islam (which still has entire govts that persecute/execute homosexuals and women) makes no sense and flies in the face of the ideology of the left. I get why the left hates Christianity, since Jesus worshipers are still largely homophobic and sexist. it's just bizarre that they don't apply that same thinking to the identical theology of islam.",
"Do you have kids?",
"In my country you can’t enroll kids into public school if they’re not fully vaccinated. Your vaccination records are also a common requirement for enrolling into private schools. I never even wondered why until today. ",
"Indirect harm is still harm. And that only applies to certain situations. There was a measles outbreak centered around Disney Land last year where a half dozen or so children under the age of 1 (when the first MMR is received) contracted measles. Those kids were counting on us, their herd, to provide community immunity until they were old enough to get vaccinated. It’s not science’s fault nor their parents’ fault those kids contracted measles, it’s the fault of anti-vaxxers. ",
"Nah you are right.",
"I love how you dismiss any politician changing their mind as a \"PR move\" so that way you can pretend they're all the same so Trump isn't an asshole for never admitting he's wrong.",
"I first read the titles as \"This is what happened when *vacation* wasn't an option\" and was like \"WHAT?! They killed their kids just to get some time off?\" ... ",
"Sorry I don't have time to retort every Trump apologist on the internet. The collective amount of stupid would probably kill me even if I did. The bottom line is with or without any news (real or fake) there is more than enough evidence Trump is an incompetent and corrupt buffoon with zero morals coming straight from his own mouth or Twitter feed. People like you just want to point to one article that may have a small detail incorrect and conclude \"oh I guess everything written about him is all just a big lie!\" while ignoring the things he openly says and does. Hence you are an idiot.",
"Read this as vacation and started researching. Now that I re read and seen the comments this is a sad thought :/ RIP",
"The plaque reads: *In memory of L.H. Larsen and wife Emilie's five children who died of Diphtheria In 1903*",
"The only alternative to vaccination would be going around wearing a face mask at all times haha",
"Please don’t say the chances are tiny, or irrelevant. A big reason you have anti-vaxxers is because we’ve experienced deaths and injuries and trauma from them or people we know. It changes someone’s perspective when you’ve been effected personally. Maybe you’ve been safe, and so has your family, congrats. Not all of us have. What you see as “rare” we see as another potential death, something we DONT want to put our faith into ever again. Maybe take into consideration how it changes our mind set after putting our trust in the medical industry prior, please. I hear what all of you are saying, and respect it. But it’s hard to trust again after being one of those as you say “rare cases”",
"My grandmother had 5 siblings die in a similar way. Out of 12 only 5 lived past 1918. One died getting run over during a parade, I forget it was either a Budweiser or Jim Beam horse. ",
"I read this as what happens when vacation wasn’t an option and I was very confused ",
"They would still be alive today. \n \nHe will **not** divide us.",
"The parents were both dead already. They weren’t feeling much. ",
"I think the point is people who scream loudly about vaccinating are the same who think 'chemicals' are evil",
"Yeah. I’ve heard stories about how police, crime scene processors and cleaners, and EMS personnel joke around with each other as a coping mechanism. Sometimes they fuck up and let some jokes slip in front of victims’ families, but it’s something they need to do. \n\nEdit: Letting the jokes slip within earshot of victims’ families isn’t the need-to-do thing to which I was referring. :P",
"Two out of five are by the looks of it, Dragon Reborn.",
"Best branch of the comments right here.",
"http://blogs.plos.org/dnascience/2013/10/03/when-does-a-human-life-begins-17-timepoints/\n\nPro-life is really anti-choice. They decide the age (#1), and will not let anybody else have their own opinion. Like the other commenter, I'd much rather see an abortion of a parasite than the horrible life that follows an unwanted baby.\n\nAt least in my opinion, it's the women's freedom to excersise their rights until the baby is alive and can be saved and put into foster carr, which is (#14).",
"Trump really is good at creating a second reality for his supporters. He said this thing and it is on the internet forever and easy to find yet you still say it's some big conspiracy.",
"My new password",
"I did the same and thought I was on wtf because the parents killed the kids to go for a night out.",
"You're looking at a tiny amount of people. Less than 4% of the whole country that are imuno-compromised. Most have aids or cancer. So you're subjecting a lot of people to something they don't want to protect a subset of people that most of them aren't even going to public school. This is a won't somebody think of the children fallacy here. \n \nThey don't have to be a shut in, but considering how many people seem to embrace the introvert lifestyle they'd like the excuse to not go out. ",
"We've come a really long way, very quickly concerning birth mortality, too. My grandma and her sister are twins, and great grandma didn't know she was having 2 babies until they were born 8 weeks early. Babies living under those circumstances was so unheard of that great grandma's sister went home upon finding out and made two burial gowns for grandma and my great aunt. They weren't expected to live through their first night.\n\n",
"Omg ahahah ",
"2 children is a massive unnecessary burden on the planet's resources. Why didn’t you stop at zero? Do you realize it takes 12 acres of resources to support just one person?\n\nThanks to selfish and non-thinking people like you, my zero kids who are going to replace noone, will have to compete with your TWO for the same amount of resources.",
"I remember seeing a YouTube video where a little kid with whopping cough struggled to get some air. It was still heartbreaking even though I learned he survived eventually. Thanks, modern medicine.",
"I'm not religious, but if I had been living in that place and era, there's a good chance I would have been a believer, if only to stay sane.",
"So reddit is pro vaccinations then? \nSomething like this always seems to be in on the front page.\nI have no opinion on the matter myself just an observation. ",
"Then explain how they're not mutually exclusive. They are competing means of understanding the universe, except one has proved universally true regardless of location, time, or culture, and had become the most accurate means of explaining reality. \n\nThe other changes from town to town, let alone culture to culture, and has never been able to accurately describe or predict reality and is based on no evidence whatsoever.\n\nSo how is it compatible for someone to say tornadoes are caused by got and cold fronts and someone else to say they're because we stopped killing gay people?",
"1. Nobody has given any evidence any time i ask how he is racist\n\n2. Every person being put up to testify admits to lying about Russia. Plus, if Trump himself didn't do the \"mingling\" he shouldn't be blamed. It's also not illegal to talk to foreign diplomats. It is illegal to funnel money into a Bangladesh presidential candidate and swing the election like someone else we know",
"I initially read that as vacation, and thought what 2 year old works? Then I thought... \"well it was the 1900s...\" Then I looked at the comments... Then double checked the title... I need coffee.",
"Right, but those people aren't anti-vaxxers. They CAN'T get vaccinated, whereas anti-vaxxers CHOOSE to not get vaccinated (or vaccinate the children).",
"Imagine the nitemare for the 12 year old. I hope she didnt see or know about her siblings dying in the days before her. ",
"My grandparents lost three. My mother showed me pictures of polio lung chambers when i was little and said this is why we get shots. Jonas Salk is the hero for all mankind, not just a country. ",
"I didn't have my glasses on when I read the title and thought it said vacation.",
"> team of workers to help manage the land you owned\n\nMy great-great-grandsomething was a year man. He'd be bid on to work on land for a year. Next year, new auction. If you had more kids, you'd be more valuable. The landowners would say \"oh, if I hire Telegram_Bot he's got a wife and three children, that's a lot more work that gets done for the same coin.\" \n\nThis was Canada, late 1800s. ",
"None of those mandatory things you list require forced injections into people's bodies. I agree vaccinations are a very good thing, and people are dumb for resisting them (and dangerous to society). But it's wrong to just say \"we're forcing it\" without trying to get people on your side.",
"5 kids at 100 years old. What is your secret sir ?",
"Maybe you should try abortion.",
"Sort of. Disease (Spanish flu, for instance, killed many healthy young adults, and cancer was fatal), accident, and childbirth still caused steady mortality in adults. My local historical cemetery has lots of tombstones for people age 5-60, and ages 65+ are uncommon. There was a spike in mortality at age 0-5, but life expectancy was not that high even if you made it past 5 years old. ",
"Really? Maybe I’m on /r/worldnews too much, but every post I read about something in the Islamic world just turns into people talking about how Muhammad was a pedophile warlord. I rarely see anyone (especially non Muslim) defend him. \n\nThat being said I do see people compare the crusades to now, but they’re always criticized by the next commenter for doing so. To simplify, I see many people criticize Islam and Muhammad and see some people defend them and blame Christianity. ",
"Distasteful maybe, not autistic. However taking every statement as being completely literal, even after having it explained to you, is a classic sign of autism.",
"*queue X-Files theme*",
"/r/TrumpCriticizesTrump is a pretty decent source of constant hypocrisy straight from the dumbass's twitter feed",
"[Here's a link to the British Medical Journal, quite a solid source.](http://www.bmj.com/content/342/bmj.c7452)",
"Did you know that EVERYTHING is a poison to our body? \n\nYou can die by taking in too much oxygen. You can die by drinking too much water. \n\nNow stop taking those two and see how you’ll do. ",
"Remember when pics was pictures more for art and not average photo of a sign? \n\nI would rather have someone’s pupper or kitten. Hell, even a sun set!",
"In the developed world this is fairly uncommon now. I remember reading that it was custom to not name infants until they reached a certain age because of the high infant mortality rates. \n\nI'd imagine when it's so much more common you're a bit more mentally prepared. Not that it's ever easy to lose a child (or 5 in a week) but I don't think someone raised in a world of antibiotics and vaccines can understand how much more death there was.",
"I think about killing myself when my keyboard is on an uneven surface, or if I have to stand in line for something. It wouldn't be a hard choice for me to make.",
"speak for yourself. I now have proof.",
"Not just vaccinating you baby. When your child is too young to be vaccinated anyone around the child needs to have a booster shot.",
"I know 2 families with autistic kids. In one family, the 12 yr old kid talks and can hold a conversation with an adult (we talked about video games), goes to school, and has relationships with \"regular\" kids. He does have meltdowns and problems and he does attend a special school. The other kid who I believe is 10 - he wanders around, says a few few phrases (often the same ones over and over depending on the day), he has to be told not to do things constantly, doesn't interact with other kids, and has to be told every little thing to do. I cannot imagine being a parent in that second situation. The father looks chronically like he's been beaten down. I do not envy him. I do not understand when I see these things posted on facebook that say things like \"parents with autism don't want a cure they want understanding.\" A parent with a kid who is that non-functional would not want a cure? I admit, I don't have kids so I don't fully understand the problem, but what parent in that position if offered \"hey Joe, would you want people to just understand what your son is going through or would you take a cure if one appeared?\" would not want their kid to be able to run around and communicate and be... a kid!\n",
"Oh look, a dirty asshole! And it’s not even 9am!",
"The flu vaccine in Australia this season was only 10% effective because the virus mutated. They say it's 20% effective in the US. There are a lot of reasons people died of the Spanish Flu 😷 In 1918 antibiotics had not been discovered most died of bacterial pneumonia. A flu vaccine would have helped but to what extent",
"For some reason I read vaccination as vacation.\n\nI was very confused. ",
"I suspect the main reason people had large families was lack of birth control.",
":(",
"WebMD believes it can be a combination or possible 23 separate illnesses. \n\nHighlights are:\nThroat Cancer, Toxic Shock Syndrome, Scarlet Fever, Mumps, Chemical burns, or the common cold. \n\nI believe it could be a combination of all of them, and therefor dead by lunch. ",
"...I've never heard about this. \n\nI suppose he just says outrageous stuff so often that people just forget about it and move on to the next thing. ",
"I haven't ever read anyone suggesting that.",
"Why would they remove it then?",
"Did all of these kids die due to an illness that would have been prevented vith vaccines? ",
"Whoa, calm down. They were saying that the saying itself was 19th century people gatekeeping motherhood. No need to jump on the defensive like that. Who hurt you, bruh? ",
"I think in these situations people often hold onto their religion even more firmly than before. That they can find comfort in the idea that their children are in a better place or that there is a bigger plan at work.",
"I need to throw this in my mom's face more. \"haha you thought I would be successful????\" ",
"..there was virtually no birth control....there was no choice in how many children one had. Many young women died in childbirth, or from the stresses of constant pregnancies...a lot of men had successive wives because of this.",
"The definition of autism broadened. 40 years ago, \"that weird kid over there\" wouldn't be diagnosed as anything, but now he'd be on the spectrum.",
"I wish this comment was higher in the thread, because you're right - the Diphtheria toxin is truly terrifying. Also the biological mechanism of its action (from the Wikipedia entry) is really incredible, both from the perspective of how amazing the mechanisms of life are and how advanced our understanding has already become.",
"I hope I didn't sound calloused about those who get sick from the people who refuse to get vaccines. I totally think it's disgusting innocent people have to suffer for their actions.\n\nI don't understand how a movement like this can be growing. Why would you want that risk? You're literally risking death.",
"My great great grandmother had 4/7 children die of disease, the last from whooping cough. I have letters to her sisters where she spoke of being \"so blue that it seems like it could rub off at times.\" Her husband's description of the final days of watching his little boy slowly suffocate and die are some of the most devastating words I've ever read.\n\nShe committed suicide at age 43 when she became pregnant again. She couldn't stand to lose another child. She drank a poison she knew would take two to three days to kill her. She knew it would be agony the entire time. She did it anyway.",
"Its really when we grow up and have rent, car payments, food shopping, a car payment, and medical expenses to pay for as well? Or is he generally a responsibility free 17/18 year old that can spend his money on birth control methods? \n\nPeople also seem to forget that a couple can have 3 kids, be fairly stable, and then get divorced and leave one side of the famiky truly struggling. Just because someone is poor with kids doesnt mean they were poor when they had the kids or irresponsibly conceived. \n\nNow, im not poor. I was raised poor but managed to create a good comfortable life for myself and family. But i know what my mother went through when my father left. Her being a single poor mother was my fathers doing for leaving us high and dry with nothing and disappearing. But most folks would look at her today and think she was a ignorant whore that worked min wage and just fucked every guy in town without birth control. The way most folks see poor folks with kids nowadays and its fucking disgusting. ",
"Shit, I want in, too. Someone get me an MMR dose. STAT!",
"I had the read the first could top posts before I figured out it said \"vaccinations\" and not \"vacations\". ",
"\\s tag missing maybe?",
"My mother's uncle lost 4 of his 5 kids to Marfans Syndrome. How such a man isn't bitter at the world I will never understand. He is an amazing person.",
"It's not really that.\n\nChristianity is more criticized because most people here have a personal connection to it one way or the other. You find interest discussing what you have knowledge of by default.\n\nReddit is predominantly American, then European. All people who have been brought up in or around the Christian faith. People from Muslim countries make up an insignificantly small minority.\n\nNot constantly attacking Islam isn't the same as worshiping it. If I had the same experience with Islam that I have with Christianity I'd be more comfortable bashing it.",
"I still trust the majority of parents to prefer the idea of their kids being alive, and getting them vaccinated. The pockets of unvaccinated children would tend to spend time together, and not mixing as much with vaccinated kids, decreasing the risks. \n\nMy main problem is with the precedent that \"forced vaccination\" sets. I am a firm believer that it's your body, your rights, and have a huge issue with state-enforced medical treatment. ",
"I support trump for the most part but that and a few other things I can 100% agree he is retarded about (climate change the other).",
"The flu shot is a little different. It only keeps you immune from the type of flu they’re predicting this year. This means that you can still get the full blown flu if you are not immune to that particular flu virus. \n\nMy mom got the flu shot last year and still got the flu. The flu shot is necessary for elderly patients and those with weak immune systems because the fatality rate is much higher. Normal people don’t usually die from the flu, and until they perfect the flu shot, it shouldn’t be required for everyone. ",
"Hurrr durr vaccines, m’lady. The post is a 10/10 fedora tip. \n\nMods, are you even out there?",
"B-b-but vaccines cause autism!\n/s just in case",
"Good news is, there were 10 babies that didn’t die.",
"He is a birther, that is inherently racist. He said that admitting during the campaign that Obama was born in the US was a 'mistake'. He said a Mexican judge shouldn't be allowed to judge his immigration policies. He was sued in the 70's for discriminatory practices against colored people. \n\nAnd the Russia stuff has resulted in 4 arrests so far, if Trump legitimately didn't know - people in his administration are still going to be arrested, all the way up to Jared Kushner at least (his fucking son in law).\n\nPlus no one has admitted, during congressional testimony or behind closed doors, to 'lying' about Russia. ",
"Something you heard from your yoga instructor or crystal healer? ",
"Again, blanket generalizations. You claim to be morally high, but result to ad hominem and ignorance. If people like \"me\" are so bad, why am I here trying to be civil? You'd be surprised how many Trump supporters see eye to eye with things the anti trumpers do.",
"Yes and water can kill me if I drink too much of it. But if I stop taking Mercury I'll be great. If I stop floride I'm fine. Of I don't costume arsenic I'll live longer. ",
"Oh my god I read vaccinations as vacation and thought it was a witty tongue in cheek remark about how horrible it is to be a poor parent with too many kids home from school during the summer ",
"They contain stuff that prevents me from dying, I'm good.\n\nBTW I am a Chemist and I know what is in and in those amounts it does not affect me negatively.",
"http://howdovaccinescauseautism.com/",
"I have always said this, people would rather risk their kid/other kids getting preventable and deadly diseases rather than have a kid with autism. I'm not sure how they explain kids who haven't been vaccinated yet still have autism ",
"You didn't answer my question, you just expounded upon your unfounded claims and started ranting about leftists.",
"But there was no autism ",
"Ya, but let’s just not fight about religion please. ",
"And it's too difficult to take care of an autistic child than a normal, dead one - Anti vaxxers may also say.",
"That's sad and all, I wish those parents had been better educated and convinced to vaccinate, but forcing them at gunpoint is wrong. ",
"As a mother of three children and grandmother of two, this would destroy me. It’s amazing the strength and courage these parents and grandparents had.",
"One good thing about the anti vaxers is that the rest of us can be grateful that there is a polio and other vaccines and can support research for others like cancers.",
"well, that's a fair point and good counter argument. \n\nIt doesn't explain the rush to defend islam by many on the left while those same ignore the horrific crimes committed by entire countries in the name of Allah. \n\n",
"??? What? You said it fucked them up mentally. I said it's a symptom of poor medical support.",
"gonna need a source on that serg",
"Yea I totally get what you mean. It can be such a struggle dealing with and understanding him at times, but it's still hard for me to change my viewpoint of him if he wasn't autistic. I know so are worse than others, and it'd be better if he wasn't, it's just hard for me to see that, kinda get what I mean?",
"Because people in today's world see science as explaining how God made everything. Even top scientists can't be dissuaded from creationism because it makes sense. ",
"Diphtheria. ",
"Based on my age and experience I disagree but respect your opinion. I’m not against vaccination but I simply think something has changed. ",
"Meh. You could always make more. In fact, making them is the only good part about kids. Plus they all had like 10+ kids back then for this exact reason.",
"Vaccines aren't 100% effective, that's why herd immunity is necessary.\n\n\nI have a 2 year old. She's up to date on vaccines, but I still wouldn't bring her around someone who doesn't vaccinate.",
"Flu Vaccine is not on the same level as things like HPV, Hepatitis, Tetanus, Polio, and others. The issue with flu vaccination is it is only able to fight one strain of flu. The issue this year is there are several strands going around, but only 3 are vaccinated for.",
"Death was a normal and constant thing back then. People really take for granted the improvements of healthcare in the last 75 years. That's why people had so many children back then. ",
"I mean, I like the man, but his twitter needs to go. However, the people who reply twenty times in a row as soon as any of his tweets come out are pretty sad people.",
"More like 32% of people live to 70 and 20% die before 10\n\n[source- page 52](https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/lifetables/life1890-1910.pdf)",
"http://howdovaccinescauseautism.com/",
"Respond",
"They didn't die of diptheria. They died of a treatment for diphtheria -- they were poisoned. Don't let that interfere with all your pontificating, though, everybody. [source](https://www.stoltze-saltoft.dk/getperson.php?personID=I501050&tree=1)",
"bury me deep. make sure im out of 4g range so i dont have to read this shit on mobile.",
"I've read some historical accounts that say that children died so often it wasn't really regarded as a big deal like it is now.",
"Where was Jesus during the Diptheria epidemic?",
"I read this as “when vacation wasn’t an option” and I was very confused as to how it was relevant with the picture....",
"You should probably get some help if you want to end your life because your keyboard is slightly crooked ",
"But, death",
"I imagine child mortality would've been relatively common back then :/",
"My dad got diphtheria in 1943 and survived, but he was already 15. Diphtheria is a lot like pneumonia today. 5% to 10% chance of dying if you get it, but generally only if you're young or really old.",
"The original pic shows kids who died before both vaccines *and* autism were a thing. OP posted the pic to explain that vaccines save lives. The comment you responded to is a person satirizing modern-day attitudes of anti-vaxxers. The joke is that a modern-day anti-vaxxer believes that autism is bad enough that it’s preferable to let your children die rather than be vaccinated. \n\nSo yeah, we all know that autism wasn’t a thing at the turn of the 20th century. The joke is about people *today* tho.",
"Jesus christ, I just went through this guys history.",
"> Except when that Liberty places others at risk.\n\nIt depends on the risk though. I'd be happy if the government banned kids from going to schools without vaccination (I believe that already happens in some areas). But forced injections are very hard to swallow. \n\nThink about the situation where the science is wrong on some small point and a few people (out of millions) die from something unforeseen. Science isn't perfect, and nor should it be. But consider the shitstorm and fallout from that.",
"Let's. So tell us, oh wise one. What shit is added?",
"What does loosing 5 kids in a week to disease have to do with birth control? \n\nUnless you mean that they needed to **not** control their birth rates so they could maintain the population in the face of mass death. Which isn't a ringing endorsement of women's right to choose, at least within the context of that time period.\n\nThe shortest gap between these kids is 2 years, assuming their oldest and youngest are among the dead and they had kids at a constant rate, they had 8 kids and 5 of them died in a week. That means if they got lucky and none of their other kids died, they're only just barely producing more kids than is required to sustain a constant population (assuming everyone has kids). Elsewhere in the comments someone explains that they already had a child die before this.",
"If it were the unvaccinated by choice who would die I wouldn't be as angry. But they are generally rich, have access to medicine, and will have decent survival rates. It's the poor, the young, the old and the sick who will die.",
"I'd say you're at about a 3 out of 5 deads.",
"vaccination started for smallpox early 1800s. became law in the mid 1800s. it was resisted for numerous reasons, none being autism, which was not named until sometime early 1900s.",
"The shots to be concerned about are the ones that get rushed out, not properly tested or what have you. Normal shots are fine. \n\nEdit: please get the flu shot every year. People like my own sister have a pretty high risk of getting pneumonia and ending up in the hospital every time they get the flu, so it’s kind of a big deal to minimize the exposure.",
"People can belive in whatever they want. I agree that there are extremists that do affect others lives, but let's be honest, how many have you met? As long as you don't bring up that you belive / don't belive in every discussion no one will care.\n\nWhy is it such a big deal to some that others belive in a God?",
"You want a kick out of how shitty thia dude is? Go through his post history.",
"Someone has a case of the Mondays :(",
"Yea, that's why I said some are worse than others. Overall, I'd hope for autism to be reduced as much as possible, but my brother is still someone I couldn't see in any other way.",
"I was replying to another comment a guy made saying “no one has 10\nKids without trying”",
"Does anyone know what dialect it is? It has to be Dutch but I'm confused what kinda Dutch. ",
"Oh wow that is really sad. It's hard to believe many people died from simple things back then.",
"Your doctor probably swabbed you for strep. If it was strep 100 years ago, yeah maybe you would die. You could get scarlet fever or rheumatic fever and be at a great risk of death.\n\nNow if you have strep you will live, because you will get another magic weapon in modern medicine's toolbox: antibiotics! \n\nYour tonsils will feel like they are small knifey bombs in the back of your throat, but within 12 hours of taking antibiotics the symptoms and pain will lessen, and within 24 hours you will no longer be contagious and feel much better. Keep taking your full course of antibiotics though to prevent recurrence and reduce antibiotic resistant bacteria!\n",
"Projection more.",
"It's like Jimmy Carr said in regards to making fun of Christians and Jews more than Muslims \"you've never been worried about a Christian blowing ya up, now have you, ya cunt\" ",
"Nah dude hes also an u educated racist so this didnt to far out of the norm for him.",
"there were vaccinations in the early 1800s. smallpox was first. law to vaccinate by 1850s. autisim named in 1900s.",
"Birther isn't \"racist\" when Obamas own brother says that Trump is right. \n\n\nWhen he told the judge he was biased, he was. How are you going to expect someone to be neutral if they know people being affected? \n\n\n\nComey and multiple others have said the dossier was fabricated.\n\n\n",
"As someone who has worked with individuals with different cases of intellectual disabilities: To me they seem like the happiest people on earth.",
"My amazement is these people refuse vaccines because.. You know.. chemicals. But then when their kids do get measles or mumps or pertussis or whatever they rush to the doctor. And I'm like... do you have any idea the amount of \"chemicals\" in the meds their pushing to keep your kid alive? \n\nI remember a family member heard the doc ordering propofol the patient and she flipped a shit because \"that stuff killed Michael jackson.\" No, an incompetent physician that used propofol as a fucking sleep aide killed MJ. Your family member is intubated on a vent and needs propofol to not wake up and rip the tube keeping him breathing adequately out.",
"When people say \"don't vaccinate your kids because it causes autism\", even when they're fully aware that not vaccinating could cause their child to die, they are saying that 'preventing' autism is of a higher priority than preventing death.",
"This guy knows how to Illuminati.",
"Happy Cake Day!",
"You got mad very fast. Why do you get offended/resort to swearing at least when people bring up religion? Rough past or what?",
"I'd say this is a misclassification of 'natural selection'. Perhaps I'm wrong, but I'll throw in my thoughts anyway. \n\nI don't think being dumb is the same as having an initial susceptibility to being deceived by a system which has had a stupendous amount of time, money, and power put into its dictum/dogmas. Had there have been an intervening philosophy or education which had the same influence and unbias that their decisions (or thoughts which the decisions derived from) had upon them initially, then this family (I presume) might not have been a victim of what you are saying is 'natural selection'. \n\nSocial Darwinism, perhaps, but that's a debate in itself. \n\nThat's just my two cents. ",
"It appears that his stance has changed to a more moderate opinion on how vaccines are administered. That isn't necessarily a bad thing, and I suspect an opinion that either has or will be easily swayed in favor of cufrrent medical recommendations.\n\nAs for the anti-vaxxer, while the articles go on at length about him they also state that it appears having him on board has fallen to the wayside. My guess is because they realized what a poor candidate he was. Which is a perfectly fine conclusion in my opinion.\n\nEdit: just goes to show people will downvote anything even remotely supportive of the President. Rediculous.",
"Don't be ridiculous..... It's probably cancer.",
"The most painful form of birth control.",
"except vaccinations were discovered in the early 1800s.",
"What a rough weekends, yikes.",
"If god made diphtheria then chances are he made the scientist and the vaccine. ",
"> So essentially they died from a predecessor to the vaccine\n\nNot entirely correct. Serum is used to treat a disease while a vaccination is used to prepare the body for a disease *before* infection.",
"or they forget why the law was enacted in the first place and some lobbyist gets them to repeal it because it's interfering with profits. ¯\\\\\\_(ツ)_/¯",
"Because the right has become a symbol of Christian extremism.\n\nSome on the left are just trying to be the antithesis of whatever the right is, even when it's utterly ridiculous.\n\nBoth sides have their fair share of idiots who refuse to acknowledge that they actually do have a common middle-ground on certain topics.",
"So, that means they have no side effects whatsoever? ",
"I am so stupid, I read that as 'when vacation wasn't an option' then spent ages trying to work out why not going on holiday would kill you ",
"The irony levels are off the charts!",
"I will gladly listen to any counterargument.\n\nAaanytime.",
"Not reddit just people who can read.",
"Then there was that slow kid that got tortured for hours last week. Or that group of children that were held for years in captivity. Not to get blue on you.",
"Nope lol",
"/r/KenM",
"It's also why we didn't really have child welfare laws back then. When so many kids died the emotional connection to them were heavily blunted. Once child mortality rate went down emotional connection to children went up which drove a lot of child welfare laws in the early and mid 20th century that didn't exist before then.",
"As a parent of an autistic kid, I've found that people who say things like this aren't saying because they wish normal for their kid, they wish normal for themselves. They can't be arsed to understand or help their kid. They don't think about how hard it is for the kid to feel frustrated that they can't understand the way others do, to learn or develop skills as quickly, why they are so literal, why they can't make friends, why their parents are so angry at them. \n\nIt's heartbreaking. Can it be tough on me as a parent? Fuck yeah. It's not about me though. I'm a parent, my job is to help her learn and adapt so her life is not so tough. That's \"normal\". That's what all parents should do. \n\nNormal is subjective. It's normal for us to consider what may be difficult for my kid to deal with. It's normal for me to figure out why, and try to help her learn ways to deal appropriately. \n\nIt's normal that it will take much longer for her to grasp certain concepts that are new. It's normal for me remind myself of that. \n\nIt's normal that she may meltdown if something is too much. It's normal for me not to give a shit what people think about that. It's normal that I show compassion for how difficult that is for her. \n\nIt's normal that she acts like a normal teenager and gets shitty with me. It's normal that I get pissy right back and feel like a horrible parent. Just like I do with my \"normal\" kids. \n\nIt's normal that I get angry and question my ability as a parent *with all 3 of my kids*. \n\nTL;DR: If your idea of being a parent is about how \"normal\" it is for you, how your kid makes *you* look, or how little work you have to put in to considering them and their needs, you are not normal.",
"Ahh, I’m sorry. That must have been a tough ride. I didn’t mean to sound insensitive to women struggling with infertility.\n\nI felt compelled to comment because I think before birth control, women didn’t have as much control as one would think. ",
"I was thinking they’d probably be furious that there are people refusing a means of preventing the illness (and others like it) that caused them so much devastation. ",
"what 5 kids died once so inject yourself with filth..?\n\npro vaxxers are so dumb... oh cos vacinnes make them dumb. see",
"It's free real estate.",
"holger is a interesting name. not sure if i like or dislike it",
"So how did people manage to live without vaccines for millennia?",
"We had a similar thing with Velcro pictures. We noticed when he was older he'd make noises at the right time to Disney cartoons (which he's watch 23/7). We went with it, saying the actual phrase. His first one was \"but I am a real boy\" from Pinocchio, which had us in tears. Got our first eye contact & got him taking that way, and taught him to use the phrases aptly. Now I know the script and lyrics to every Disney film before 2010.\n\nCheers. We're all doing better now.",
"I’ve heard from my grandparents that in their childhood and in their parents families it was common that a disease would hit the village and every family would loose some kids. People farming on islands around here had a saying that they had to have larger families than people on the mainland because “the sea is bound to take 1-2 after the diseases leave”. I believe older generation were more able to have a place in their world for death. Pain is pain always but nowadays grieving can be something that is very hidden in society and sometimes comes very awkwardly or even with some shame. Without traditions of how to grieve the pain can sting longer and cause other emotional distress. ",
"Not all babies. 15 - 14 - 6 - 4 - 2. Tuat wad their age from top to bottom.",
"THIS. Let it remain a choice, but with significant consequences to provoke thought and protect others.",
"Calling it murder is a bit heavy-handed, in my opinion. It's not a brain transplant. They still have their memories and are their own persons. After all, people change personality-wise throughout their lives, so I don't see how hypothetically rewiring your brain to cure autism is any different than psychiatric treatment of mental disorders and its accompanying therapy.",
"https://reddit.com/r/pics/comments/7s4upg/_/dt25x7a/?context=1",
"Yeah, this hurt just reading the gravestone. ",
"My great grandma absolutely despised anti-vaxxers, she died about 10 years ago but if anyone even suggested they were against vaccines she’d spit fucking acid, cos she remembers coming back to school from the holidays to find out a couple of classmates had died from diseases that couldn’t be treated then, but can be now.\n\nShe was great, lil bit racist tho.",
"They were just faking to be nice. Just like we talk to our dogs - we have loads of fun and like each other very much, but at the end of the day...\n\n\n(It’s not all that bad :D)",
"You forgot to add \"and live a healthy long life because of it.\"",
"But....But...Jenny McCarthy says vaccination causes autism.\nI'm going to ignore what every smart doctor says, and listen to a woman who made her living by getting naked in public. ",
"I remember standing in line to get the polio vaccine as a child in the 50s. I have friends who had polio and have post polio syndrome now. I don't understand risking your child's life and health by not immunizing them. And today I don't understand not getting your child vaccinated against the herpes virus. It's a cancer preventing vaccine for fucks sake. If my kids were in their teens they'd be getting it. How do you not want to protect your child from cancer?",
"turn that frown upside down...",
"Not at all, there are a lot of people who hate both.",
"For real tho, they probably did stop trying after that year. ",
"Two of them on the same day, as well! :(",
"If I could share this a million times, I would. ",
"Flu mutates all the time and there are many different strains. Some of the deadly diseases we no longer get can be completely avoided by vaccination and those should be taken.",
"Yeah but at least they didn't become Autistic! /s",
"I think he meant the written language. And it is.\n\nSource: Am Swedish.\n\n",
"THANK SCIENCE!",
"Proud to say my country, France, made 11 vaccines mandatory this year. Don't understand how people can be more afraid of the cure than the awful deseases they can prevent.",
"It's danish.\n\nBottom text says:\n\n\"Jesus stays with me.\"",
"Or they are good parents to their existing kids by being aware that having another baby (or even just another pregnancy) at this juncture would severely negatively impact their family in terms of health and finances.\n\n The pervasive narrative painting women who have abortions as unfit is some incidious brainwashing.",
"That and the \"study\" that was used to prove the link said 8 out of 12 kids who got the MMR vaccine showed signs of autism within days of getting the vaccine. \n\n1) I have 6 children, all vaccinated. By those stats, at least 3.9 of my kids should have autism. Zero of them do.\n\n2) He was actively promoting his own formula for a new MMR vaccine! This is like someone telling you that your favorite brand of spaghetti sauce causes seizures. You've never had seizures, nor has anyone in your family... But you go buy his better version of seizure free spaghetti sauce for 2x the price? No. You tell him to get off your fucking porch. \n\n3) His tactics and claims were more shady than Dr. Oz and he lost his medical license. WHY would anyone listen to him? ",
"Silphium wasn't a contraceptive, it was an abortifacient.",
"shoulda gotten the vaccine shot",
"What? Are you having two different conversations or something?",
"but vaccines were discovered in the early 1800s and became law by the mid 1800s and anti vaxxing started then.\n\nhttps://www.historyofvaccines.org/content/articles/history-anti-vaccination-movements\n\nits a dumb joke. a dumb parallel. and the amount of idiots responding to me that vaccines didnt exist then just confirms my believe. poster is an idiot and lemming idiots following him. much wow.",
"You can't be autistic after death.",
"Most of Africa is below local replacement rate and their birth rate is plummeting.",
"Lol wtf",
"You made the right choice. Rest easy in that.",
">Fuck if I know\n\nThis was all you really needed to say.",
"I feel bad about skipping my diptheria boosters in high school because I was an edge lord back then.",
"> I do not understand when I see these things posted on facebook that say things like \"parents with autism don't want a cure they want understanding.\"\n\nGeneral rule of thumb: If you see something posted on Facebook a lot, it's probably stupid.\n\n",
"um the state will believe that's child abuse as well.\n\nif you still know of them, it's not too late to report. ",
"I wish they could vaccinate against stupidity...",
"\\> Healthy young child goes to doctor \n\\> gets pumped with massive shot of many vaccines \n\\> doesn't feel good and changes \n\\> AUTISM \n\\> Many such cases! \n\\> [mfw](https://i.imgur.com/hcdSc2N.png)",
"Okay I suck at Reddit- this was supposed to be a reply to the comment “they’ve had birth control methods since Mid-evil days, no one has 10 kids without trying” and then he mentions the pull out method. Somehow my replies always end up as comments. ",
"Wait, you do know why you’re supposed to take vaccines right? If so, how can you argue that you’ll be fine and live longer? ",
"Lots of people don’t believe me when I say I have Asperger’s. Then I explain to them in painful detail how best to comb through thrift stores or listen to symphonic music. They come around. \n\nEdit: I need to go to class soon, but enough people asked me about thrifting that I’ll just list some basics here. \n\n1) find some thrift stores that have regular sales and that don’t send the best stuff to auction. Your best bet, in my experience, are rich-neighborhood-adjacent mom-and-pop places and those dinky little ones in skid row. \n\n2) have a good idea of what makes something high-quality—clothes, cookware, whatever you’re looking for—and make your way down the aisle looking for these items. For clothing in particular, pay attention to the little things like seam quality, button construction, textile give, etc. at least as much as you do the brand. Also figure out where things tend to wear out first, and pay attention to those danger zones. \n\n3) don’t get swept up in your first big find enough to skimp over quality checks. On the same token, if you’re potentially interested in changing up your style, a thrift store is a great place to start since you can try on a huge variety of clothing and styles and see which ones suit you and which ones don’t. \n\n4) go often, to different locations. Each store has a different cycle of replenishing goods, so the waxing and waning selection will be different at each one. If you frequent used clothing stores as well (Plato’s closet, buffalo exchange, etc) then feel free to also bring in some stuff you don’t want anymore, or try to flip some goods from other stores for a profit—lots of them give you discounts if you sell to them and buy from them in the same transaction. \n\nI’ll probably make a more comprehensive post sometime. I don’t often post on /r/thriftstorehauls but I lurk constantly. At some point I may make a big “my haul thus far” post about some of the cool stuff I’ve found. ",
"I'm sure you're right about that, I can never seem to pick it out in the wild.",
"That wasn't the point smartass.",
"If they had a child, they would be unfit to be a parent. Thinking that all are one way or another is what's brainwashing people.",
"I would have to politely disagree. This is a tragedy, true, and I'm sure the family suffered indescribable levels of grief. But when facts fail and anti-vaxxers refuse to listen to the science behind vaccines then where are we left? We have to learn from our past circumstances and mistakes; tragedy is the most poignant reminder i can think of as to WHY it's so important that we do so.\n\nIf even one anti-vaxxer sees this and changes their mind then it's a victory. I'm positive that the parents of those children, were they still alive today, would be proud to know that the story of the (most likely) worst week of their life potentially saved other parents from living the same story.",
"no, nor will i ever have any. why?",
"They died a lot.",
"Have you seen what's happening in Maryland though?\n",
"I think one thing that saddens me about the anti-vaxx movement... is the notion that it's bad to be autistic. I've been spending years trying to help my sister love herself and be comfortable with the ways she's different. Seeing a movement where people would rather risk their kids' lives (and everyone's around them) than they be autistic... It's discouraging. ",
"99% of the time its a list of what might be contained with broad terms like \"antibiotics\".. kinda secretive huh?",
"I'd prefer if he didn't have autism, hell if ANYONE ever had autism. But the way I see him, it's just the way he is, you know? I do TAPS (student teaching) at a school which is known for its great special education, so I'm around quite afew kids with autism (including my brother!), and even then it's difficult to imagine them without autism. The thing that really makes me sad though is those who can't speak, are very handicapped, etc.",
"If you think it's unrelated that big pharma is in the pockets of republicans, or that big pharma is lying to us because of capitalism then you're a fool who isn't worth my time. [Medical waste is destroying our precious planet](http://www.usbioclean.com/medical-waste-pollution-u-s/). We've got big pharma corporations who are so interested in churning out more poison that they can convince us to put into our bodies that they pollute rivers, and our precious oceans. You'd rather take the easy way out and get a vaccine than eat healthy, meditate, and exercise. It's the typical lazy, unhealthy American way at its worst. It's wrong because the price for your laziness is that coral reefs are dying, so so are the ecosystems that support them. The people who get sick are often poor, underprivileged, and have \"brown\" skin. This is racism 101, and your ignorance is perpetuating institutional racism. It might matter to you much if your white, but I for one will not stand for it.",
"And if they did, so what? I could never imagine someone choosing a dead child over an autistic one.",
"Jesus bliver! Seems like a candidate for Scandinavian version of a Shakespearean mild oath.",
"Dare I ask....",
"Can't forget that part haha",
"And abortionists? ",
"You claim that if they had \"proper medical care\" they wouldn't have mental side effects no? ",
"None that are known.",
"If it killed them then they weren't all that strong or healthy were they? ",
"Wow",
"Nothing in life is certain. Medicine is an 80% industry aka something that helps 80 % of people. If you have an allergic reaction to a drug I bet you still go to the hospital though. Same with vaccines. No one is arguing that they can’t be made safer or shouldn’t be just that the alternative is unthinkable. No vaccines is not an option for someone without a proven allergy or otherwise proven medical problem. ",
"No, the problem is real. I know a decent number of folks who are against vaccines. It’s cringey",
"Not only that, autism isn't contagious so they are saying they would prefer their child catch a deadly disease that can spread to other children than to get autism that can't spread to other children.",
"This guy's great grandfather fucks.",
"Typical Chad",
"Vulgarity is the emphasis, though. ",
"Don't people learn this shit in school anymore?",
"Yeah it was, especially after the fact that she lost the prior baby after 5 months. It was a wild emotional ride. I found out that a lot of people around me had trouble getting pregnant as well, they just aren't open about it until it happens to you.",
"Man, I met this hot girl and we hit it off and everything is going good...until she tells me she's anti-vaxx. I should have checked her FB beforehand. She posts all kinds of anti-vaxx shit. Imma dump this on her. ",
"Or stupid shit like religious rituals. Sitting with your whole family at the deceased bed. Holding the hand of the deceased, kissing its forehead.\n\nWhile the deceased died of ebola...",
"Hey lady... nobody gives a fuck about your future drain on society of a kid. ",
"> Time sucked back then.\n\nBecause medical advances were inferior to today. The average life expectancy was low **because** people died all the time from stuff that we survive today. Many of those things are thanks to modern medicine.",
"You forgot to mention all the Somalis in Minnesota that are refusing to get vaccinations ",
"I feel like the worst of it is that they weren't just *babies*. The oldest among them was 15 years. I hate to sound dehumanizing to infants, but these weren't just children they lost a few years into life.\n\nTo lose a newborn is devastating, but to lose a child you've watched grow in a decade and a half, along with a 12 year old as well, would destroy me in and of itself. Add in the other three young ones, and I'd feel like nothing more than a husk of a man for a good long time.",
"when that many people die, Real estate is a crappy business",
"Sad, some people think being autistic is worse than being dead...",
"No toothpaste gives you cancer. It was probably video game violence.",
"In my grandfather's autobiography, he writes that him and his brother were the only surviving children of twelve. The influenza wiped out seven, and the rest went to other childhood ailments.",
"They tend to do that anyway.",
"Actually, he didn’t say that they said it wasn’t in Danish. He just said that it is. ",
"I figured that that's why I thought it was Dutch. Thanks for answering! ",
"I'm not a medical professional, so it sounds right to me. Serum= blood plasma with existing antibodies to prevent disease Vaccine= microscopic amount of disease in order to create antibodies ?\n\nEssentially, the article still attributes their death to the poisonous vaccine, and not the diphtery, which is a bit confusing. ",
"Exactly, everyone has their own quirks to them, so I kinda see it in the same way for my brother. I know he's not as bad as others with autism (thank god and god bless), but it's still kind of who it is.",
"Thank you for posting that sub! I never thought to look for one. Nerding out! ",
"The Spanish Flu killed 3% of the world's population. More people died from the Spanish Flu than from fighting in the war. It hit every country in the world, including almost all remote islands. \n\nIt was so bad, they even cancelled the NHL playoffs in 1919.",
"In the US we expect judges to be impartial by default. We let white judges try white people and white supremacists all the time - do we now put minority judges to try white supremacists now because white judges might be biased? That's nonsense. \n\nBeing a birther is 100% racist. Obama's own brother has his own political agenda, not to mention that Trump said multiple times that he paid people to investigate, what he believed to be, Obama's 'fake' birth certificate - and then he never delivered on the supposed results of the 'team' he paid.\n\nObama was born in Hawaii, period. Stating anything to the contrary is just trying to delegitimize the first black President of this country.\n\nWhen 90% of the minorities in this country believe that the words and actions of Trump are racist or racially prejudiced, maybe you should listen to the groups whom have historically been discriminated against when the topic of discrimination comes up.\n\nNo one has said that dossier was fabricated - that is a lie. ",
"Anti vaccination types spend hours researching alternative facts. And by that I mean they see propaganda on social media and decide that vaccinations are the work of the devil. Not far from me right now in Chester, a measles outbreak is currently taking a bit of a hold. Guess the common denominator of the kids affected... I bet nobody can...",
"unless the kids pass the disease to each other.",
"2 of them being in the same day. Just awful. ",
"Hearing that makes me cringe and my heart aches for you. \n\nI was/am a teacher in an Asian country where disabilities/autism/add/spectrums are not well read about or accepted for the most part. \n\nI can’t even tell you the amount of (most likely non diagnosed but pretty apparent) autistic (and otherwise) students I’ve had where the parent has taken me aside and in broken English and in complete seriousness or via a translator asks me “just make him/her normal” \n\nBreaks my heart for the child and the family. \n\nI’m sorry. ",
"/r/myancestorshadsex \n\nPretty much applies to everyone ",
"Absolutely! So glad to hear someone else has a similar perspective.",
"Looking better than Bill at 71\n\nDoing something right",
"Eyyyy er det i Give?",
"Are several people behind the profile since you write \"they\"?",
"Not even being able to properly mourn their siblings due to being too sick. ",
"Not all of them managed to live without vaccines. Not everyone gets diseases, not everyone dies from every disease they get.\n\nSome through luck, some through full or partial immunity they get from a parent. It's not like you'd argue that because guns exist, and guns have been used to kill people, everyone's going to be killed by guns.",
"Stop being melodramatic. It’s not any different than seat belt/car seat laws for kids. Kids can’t make those decisions and have to rely on their parents to protect them. \n\nIf there were **ANY** doubt as to whether or not vaccines saves lives, I would be in your corner but when hard science and a consensus from virtually every expert is disregarded because of a Facebook meme referencing one study that has been rebuked time and time again, our only option is to make it mandatory. \n\n\n*I wish those parents had been better educated and convinced to vaccinate*\n\nTherein lies the challenge. The vast majority of anti-vaxxers are not open to education about the situation; if they were, we wouldn’t be having this discussion. ",
"I weep more for the parent than the child. Unless the child simply has very mild forms of things.\nSevere autism? Nobody should have to deal with that. Not even caretakers.",
"And my point was simply to clarify.",
"Goodbye.\n\nGoodbye.\n\nGoodbye.\n\nGoodbye.\n\nGoodbye.",
"You could probably make a talisman of some kind, a reminder of someone special you've lost, to help you feel less alone. A baseball bat comes to mind...wrapped in barbed wire, perhaps.",
"K\n\nK\n\nK\n\nK\n\nK\n\n",
"It's always hard to imagine people like you actually exist, glad there's reddit to remind me that human stupidity actually is endless, just like the universe...",
"https://www.reddit.com/r/insanepeoplefacebook/comments/7s4o89/apparently_this_is_going_down_in_maryland_right/",
"I thought this said “vacation” at first and was wondering if people just killed themselves",
"LOL you evil fuck take your upvote and GTFO of here",
"That seemed to be the mindset of the time. Have as many kids as possible, so at least a few of them make it to adulthood. My great-grandfather had something like 19 kids that lived to adulthood, plus an additional 2 or 3 that didn't.",
"Assuming you're not trolling, go back and see the comment in question. It ends with: \"/idiot\", with the slash indicating the stance of the comment, therefore meaning, \"As said by an idiot\".\n\nFor comparision, the commonplace \"/s\" after some comments indicates: \"In a sarcastic manner\".",
"It was a good day when Jesus invented vaccinations.",
"He likes to hide in them.",
"My Great Great Aunt wrote poetry when she was younger and throughout her life, and perhaps the most devastating one is about her younger sister, who was 4 at the time, who died of a fever* (I forget which one, but it was one that is easily combated nowadays). Her poetry gave a real insight to life in Canada in the late 1800's, but that poem makes every single one of us cry every time. ",
"Thinking about it and wanting to do it are two different things.\n\nYou've never been in line at airport security and thought \"What if I was dead instead of here?\"\n\nMaybe I'm a psycho.",
"Mig en fornøjelse :) ",
"*\"Vaccinations are for LIBTURD Communist losers who voted Hillary and hate the LORD JESUS CHRIST and America.\"*\n\n-Alt-right conservatives",
"I've been coughing for a few days. I'll start writting a will.",
"As an infertile woman, I can only imagine how women who couldn't have kids would be treated/viewed back then. \n",
"> diphtheria\n\nWow the first thing that popped up when I googled \n\n\"A serious infection of the nose and throat that's easily preventable by a vaccine.\"\n\nVaccines are amazing\n\n",
"Thank SCIENCE for vaccination",
"when Farming was labor intensive you had the kids in part to help\nduring surges (Planting, Harvesting) ... Even now Iowa High School kids get 10 days off to de-tassel corn. \n\nBut, with more automation, the kids don't have a job.",
"how the fuck is this what you take from this?",
"In colonial times people would often wait until their child was 2 before giving them a name. They did so in order to help from getting too attached in case the child died. ",
"So sorry for your loss, but estatic that your baby is about to be born. I had two miscarriages, but was able to have one last child and she’s now almost 20 and so talented and beautiful. \n\nPeace, brother.",
"Thanks, now his stupid laugh is in my head",
"For some reason I read that as vacation instead of vaccination.",
"K\n\nK\n\nK\n\nK\n\nK",
"that is unfortunate, but understand that \"I know what it's like to lose a child\" is an emotion, not an argument.",
"It’s usually better to ford the river in my experience. Then you can just die later of cholera ",
"Right for the wrong reasons is still right.",
"That makes you a grandparent too.",
"Optional vaccination is bad for herd immunity. How 'bout that?",
"He didn’t say it was Swedish. Gotta work harder on your reading comprehension.",
"Yeah, exactly. There are so many people with DS that are frankly a nightmare to take care off. And you're not looking at little kids anymore. You're looking at grown men who can through a table through a room if they're in a rage.\n\nI really don't mind people's opinion's on it, but having witnessed the bad side up close, I just hope that my future children are healthy.",
"You severely underestimate how disenfranchised the general public is with government. ",
"It depends on the person honestly. I'm by no means an expert, but I'm around a lot of autistic kids (student teacher), and it varies greatly depending on the kid. That's why it's a spectrum, there's a range of behaviors.",
"The parents probably died too. The suffering on the other hand must have been horrible. Noice the older ones lasted longer :-( ",
"I read that as 'vacation' and I spent way too long trying to figure out what was going on. Like, did they all neck themselves because mum and dad wouldn't let them go to Disney Land?! ",
"I think the implication was people who could, but don't. And unfortunately, a lot of psycho antivaxxers are now claiming false vaccine allergies (self-diagnosed, of course) to justify not vaccinating their kids. ",
"Or the law only got passed to prevent competition from starting up ",
"This is too much, Imma' go to my mother's place and give her a hug.\n\nEDIT: Went to my momma's place and gave her a hug.",
"Because it's easier to look for an easy answer for a more deep and complex problem we still do not quite understand.",
"the upside of this is that it will definitely help to have at least 40% of population to be anti vaxxers, so traffic won-t be as fucking insane in rush hour ",
"Something something Big Pharma ",
"That's what people don't get.\n\nAutistic and mental retardation are not the same thing. You can be autistic and still be very functional, just operating on different software.\n\nOf course, those people are the ones that are actually stupid, so...",
"No. The -er ending indicated plural. See [http://docplayer.dk/33226689-Imperativen-paa-er-i-aeldre-dansk.html].",
"There's a gravestone in our local cemetery - the father and 5 or 6 kids in 6 weeks. How would you even begin to go on after losing everyone like that?",
"The interest of the individual is greater than that of the State. To think otherwise is a grave mistake.",
"Perhaps it is a matter of perception. As someone who champions the rights of homosexuals and women, I find it abhorrent when things are posted that show that these people are still being persecuted by entire govts, based on some stupid, ignorant holy book and its braindead followers. On the flip side of that, I'm used to seeing that in the words of many Christians in the West but it's generally just words rather than direct actions taken, like the Islamic courts that execute people for being gay. \n\nI see the comments you are referring to as well but the anti-islamic people usually get banned for calling out Mohammed's pedophilia and summarily insulted by the left leaners who rush to defend.",
"still get most vaccs ( on our own schedules) but avoiding the flu shot like the plague. first year i HAVENT been sick is the first year i didnt get the flu shot...",
"Relating to autism: still an easy choice to continue with vaccination. As this is highly unlikely, a no-brainer.",
"The ~~average~~ median lifespan \n\nFTFY.\n",
"The idiots who don't want to vaccinate their kids, shouldn't be allowed to have kids.....END OF!",
"The mom probably got vaccinated then during pregnancy. ",
"\\s tag absolutely missing. ",
"Rekt!",
"Christ.\n\nAs a new dad, this is unimaginable.",
"\"I wonder if the other side of the hill is also riddled with the Spanish Flu\"\n\nI think at some point you have to count your blessings. You weren't infected yet, and now you're the only person in this town. No more people to transmit it to you!",
"Yeah but think of how much less autism! ",
"They died?",
"I caught the “today I learned part”",
"Of all the horrible, terrible positions I could ever imagine, I could never imagine hating my child. ",
"Thanks to vaccinations, we don’t have to, and this doesn’t have to be “normal” anymore.\n\nImagine expecting to birth 8+ and HOPING that at least some of them make it to adulthood, and that being the mindset you go into when trying to start a family.",
"Because ignorant people werent getting vaccinated due to their lack of understanding. Better to have vaccinated ignorant people than ignorant disease carriers. ",
"More that they don't believe it'll hurt the kids because \"nobody I know died from polio\" (big fucking surprise there), and that such diseases are the natural order of things while vaccines lead to weak immunities.",
"Pro vaccine people are like the NRA it’s all or nothing. It must be easier to see the world in black and white. ",
"me too thanks",
"The rate for death during childbirth in America right now is at 6% for child deaths and for every 100,000 women in America that have a child, 26 of them die. Compare that to the 2nd highest in the world, the UK at 9 women per 100,000. \n\n[source](https://www.npr.org/2017/05/12/528098789/u-s-has-the-worst-rate-of-maternal-deaths-in-the-developed-world)",
"Republicans could not care less that their candidate is an anti-vaxxer.",
"Hilarious photoshop job\n\nI can’t believe people believe that garbage.... both the picture and the whole antivax bs.... it just boggles my mind",
"Which first world countries mandate vaccinations by law? ",
"Damn....",
"My great grandmother lost 3 children to influenza within a couple of weeks. It boggles my brain when supposedly educated people agonise and debate endlessly about whether to allow their children to have the (free) flu vaccination at school every winter. ",
"On their way to... get treated for diptheria?",
"That's okay, we're all just people and everyone wishes for a better/easier life. Do remember not everyone is lucky enough to have kids at all, and would gladly give their right arm for a kid of their own even if it's autistic.\n\n\n\n\nAnyhow the most important things is that you love your kid and accept him for who he is. You're the only dad he'll ever get and he'll probably have trouble making friends so family is even more important. Don't be afraid to hire a helper to deal with him of it gets tough, you need time alone to rest and restore as much as anyone. I hope you live in a country where care is given to those who need it, here in Sweden parents with autistic kids get tons of free help because they need it. ",
"Boy I bet you were confused.",
"at the time people were probably just used to it cuz it was VERY common",
"Oh God. Just made the very significant mistake of reading your post history. You are disappointed to have an autistic son. I think, whether he has the ability to express it or not, your son is the one who should be disappointed. He deserves more respect than he's getting from you.\n\nOh no! Bad things happened?? Who knew this was a possibility? I thought you made a plan and life just delivered on that plan! Didn't realize people get in accidents and get paralyzed, people lose jobs, people get cancer, people's countries get invaded and their entire families get murdered. I'm sorry your child acts bad at Target, but you need to get your shit together and be a father to that child. \n\nDo you know how many people have autistic children now? Not to mention the hundreds of other brands of \"special needs\"? Do you know how many of them still recognize that that special needs person is their *child* and *a human being* and not just something to make their life more inconvenient. They make adjustments, they get help, they lean in to help more because their child needs more. They don't \"isolate and stay on Reddit until they get to go back to work the next day.\" \n\nLife is hard. All kinds of fucking hard in all kinds of ways. Man the fuck up. If you're going to sit on the computer, instead of whining about your fat wife and your terrible child, maybe read about autism. Figure out what's triggering your son at Target. Is he bothered by sounds? Lights? Why the \"no snacks\"? Why not, \"If you don't raise your voice or touch anything, you can have one (whatever he likes... pokemon card, pack of crackers...) You don't go out often, so it's not like that would break the bank or make him a \"whale\" like his mom. \n\nI totally get this is upsetting, and I get the need for venting. (Although I certainly wouldn't be sure this account wouldn't get traced back to you some day.) But this is not normal venting. It's hate and vitriol toward your own son. Your attitude needs to change. You missed a golden opportunity with those parenting classes. I've never heard someone more in need of parenting classes in my life. Having someone \"hand you some pamphlets\" isn't what you need. You need to find some classes and you need to listen when you get there. You need to look at your son and see a person. He acts the way he acts because he is in pain or frustrated and he can't control his emotions as well as the average person yet. Not because he's some robot bent on destroying your mini-blinds. \n\nAside: I think I can help solve that CPS mystery. As is common with autistic children, your child could probably talk earlier than you thought he could. Someone asked him a question, and he answered it. ",
"OK everybody out of the goddamned pool! Mercury is OK to ingest/inject? ",
"Autism will be found out to be an brain inflammation caused by microbiota of the gut.",
"It's Danish, if you're curious. ",
">Unless you have a degree in biochem the ingredients list means shit to you.\n\nSo? Unless you’re a mechanic, you probably don’t have a firm understanding of what all of the parts in your cars engine do, but it’s not like you stop getting in cars.",
"Man I'm dumb. I thought that said \"This is what happened when vacation wasn't an option\" and assumed they all killed themselves because of that.",
"idk, you fell for the troll.. maybe he isn't such an idiot?",
"Kinda pointless if there’s plenty of free vacancies everywhere.",
"[Many leftists shy away from mentioning Islam/Muhammad but will happily make offensive comments about Jesus](https://youtu.be/aWJT0egzAy0?t=2m13s)\n\nAlso compare [this](https://youtu.be/MECcIJW67-M?t=2m) part of the video to [this part](https://youtu.be/MECcIJW67-M?t=3m29s).",
"By Saturday they had lost 3. So imagine the pain knowing the other two were almost certainly to follow.",
"Believe every conspiracy you see on the internet, call *other* people sheep etc...",
"Ugh, did you replace it replace it yourself? One of my least favorite DIY jobs. ",
"Marfans Syndrome is a genetic disease, which vaccines do not cure.",
"Sad to upvote this. Bu people need to remember.",
"My partner's family are anti-vaxers, and I'm not sure what to do about it. ",
"I don't think you know how to use that phrase correctly. Which makes sense considering your ignorance here. ",
"Seriously. Let me off this planet...",
"You're essentially plugging your ears and shouting. I'd prefer to listen to the minorities who don't give a fuck and don't see themselves as a victim. Yknow, people who don't segregate themselves and don't blame whites for everything? Seems theyre usually the most successful too. Every group has been oppressed in this country. That's why it's the past.\n\n\nAnd no, judges let women off all the time or drop hate crime charges if a black person is accused of it. Judges arent neutral at all.\n\n\nYou are the one with the agenda here. I see you're one of those people who likes to virtue signal and shit though so i don't see this going anywhere",
"If you ever get a chance to walk through an old cemetery, look for stones carved to look like small lambs lying down. These are childrens' and babies' gravestones. Checking the dates, you can often find evidence of disease wiping out many small members of the same family.",
"Good! Two potatoes. I will point out that it is not different from psychiatric treatment of other mental disorders, except maybe that some of those disorders may not have been present since birth.\nHowever, that doesn’t weaken my point. It merely overextends it. This costed you one potato.\nIt isn’t a brain transplant. They still have their own memories. They are NOT, however, the same person. The character (and inner workings, as far as I can discern) of someone with ASD are fundamentally and almost universally different from someone without. Because they have very different mind and character, they are a different person. Therefore, you delete one person and replace with another. This logical issue costed you another two potatoes.\nWe can call it something else if “murder” is too aesthetically unpleasant for you. How about “replacement“?",
"Christ. We're blessed to live in an age where even one lost child from illness is considered an aberrant tragedy. This is three children in 24 hours, and five in a week.\n\nI know this was common, but it doesn't make it any less crushing to think about. ",
"yea. the guy who wrote it is the idiot who said it. i know that.\n\nhe wanted his 1k free karma which other people got in the same thread. hope he didnt get it.",
"Yeah. Ohhhhhkayyy pally wal https://vactruth.com/2016/02/18/mmr-vaccine/",
"A neighbor of mine, while growing up, had polio as a child (paralytic polio). She was friends with my grandmother. It was the single most depressing thing I have ever personally seen. She was a wonderfully kind woman, but she kept deteriorating slowly throughout the years. Watching someone waste away and slowly become more and more atrophied is horrific. \n\nAnytime someone spouts off about anti vaxxing I think of her. \n\n",
"God dammit I JUST got those numbers out of my head. It's like one-track record of a bad song with mind-numbingly boring lyrics that had been stuck in my head and randomly playing itself over the past near decade. I HATE YOU",
"Holger holdin out.",
"Vaccines cause adults ",
"turn that frown upside down...",
"I have some tide Pods they can snack on as well...",
"Bad idea. It's like reading the comments on any YouTube video ever. ",
"On the off chance you’re not trolling: [cytokine storms](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cytokine_storm) use your strength to kill you.",
"woah woah woah... \n\nI have two kids, one college aged and one finishing high school. If I took the money I've spend on them so far and invested it, I'd be retired. If I took the money I'm PLANNING on spending on them and invested it, I'd still be retired pretty damn quick... \n\nHaving kids is NOT a get rich quick scheme. It costs $300,000 to raise one, and that's before college costs kick in. Save that $300,000 on two kids and put it in the stock market at 7%, (initial: $10K, addl principal $1400/mo) and you'd be set in 10 years, easily.",
"My great great grandfather was essentially given away by his parents to his aunt and uncle. My grandpa didn't know his whole family heritage until recently, when a lawyer from another country contacted him and told him they'd been looking for him. It turns out the lawyer was distantly related to my grandfather through one of my great great uncles or something and they knew the full story. Up until then, it had been a mystery as to how his side of the family wound up in Canada.",
"Exactly, that's why it's a spectrum, it GREATLY varies. For me, my brother is fairly high functioning, but I know some people have a horrible case of autism. It's honestly a roll of the die, just hope it's not the severe.",
"In that case we should all not care about murder and rape if we know what it feels like because they're just emotions. ",
"I'm not against vaccination but I disagree with the idea that its because of lack of vaccine these children died.\n\n Since the sickness is caused by bacteria, pencillin would have saved them. Sadly it was invented in 1928.",
"From the [same site](https://www.historyofvaccines.org/content/articles/diphtheria): \n\n>\tImmunization for diphtheria is accomplished with a toxoid (a modified version of the diphtheria toxin). Diphtheria toxoid is not given as a single injection, but rather is combined with tetanus toxoid and, often, pertussis vaccine in a preparation called Tdap, DTaP, Td, or DT. \nSince the introduction of effective immunization, starting in the 1920s, diphtheria rates have dropped dramatically in the United States and other countries that vaccinate widely. \n\nYou should stop.",
"there is a [spot in Northern Michigan, Middle Village](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Readmond_Township,_Michigan), that has an interesting graveyard. this just brought back a wave of memories...",
"ITT: Idiots in this thread confusing down syndrome with Asperger's Syndrome / high functioning autism",
"Add it to the list :(",
"Not really surprising, the age range where a human female can become pregnant and carry the child to term is around 30 years in a healthy specimen.\n\nNow, barring things like twins and triplet, it's feasible to produce a baby on average once a year.\n\nHumans are prolific.",
"Of course they do. That's why too much strength is actually weakness. ",
"My Spanish-speaking wife’s nickname for me is “conejo”, so you may be on to something ",
"Yes, I am fully aware of that. Still sad :(\n\nOne day genetic diseases will be like these, eradicated with modern medicine. ",
"You said if they had proper care they wouldnt have mental effects no?",
"There are also children who, for whatever *legit* reasons (immune disorders, etc.), cannot get vaccines. We vaccinate our children so that those other *at risk* children are also protected. Its completely disgustingly selfish to forgo vaccines for your child (if they are healthy enough to receive them) because you are diminishing the defenses that protect the *actually* sick children who *can't* get vaccines!",
"Who cares? Maybe they were assholes.",
"Spoken like a true entrepreneur ",
"? i believe in vacs. i just think the dude is an idiot?",
"If you have kids, keep them away from your partner’s family. ",
"Hey man, I understand you 100%. My son is fairly high functioning, but I know how frustrating it is watching your child struggle. I wouldn’t want the cure to make things easier for me, id want him to have a better life.",
"It's not that simple. People who believe these things aren't stupid, but it often comes from misinformation or incorrect thinking. I know people who think 9/11 was an inside job, people who think the lunar landing was faked, and there are a huge number of people who believe essential oils are a substitute for actual medical care. It is very common for smart people to believe stupid things.",
"More than likely.",
"Well, that's what I get for not reading my own sources. Thanks for the correction.",
"If I read this a few months ago I'd be 90% sure I had this. I had all of those symptoms when I got really bad \"strep throat\", but all the tests coming for it were inconclusive so they said 'it's probably that, but we aren't sure.' So I'm glad I'm reading this after I'd be convinced I was dying from this.",
"Well, the top end was still a lot lower as well. Medicine staves off multiple organ failure for like a decade now in elderly people.",
"Why don’t you go The the 3rd world counties with uncontrollable birth rates and preach? 1st world counties have falling birth rates; and you both want and need families here that are willing to have 5 kids.\n\nAlso, go fuck yourself you obnoxious twat.",
"This is a great visual representation of why vaccinations are important. \n[autism vs vaccines](https://youtu.be/RfdZTZQvuCo) ",
"My grandfather (who was the youngest or close I believe) was born in early 20s. Even during that time in his family 11 children out of 13 died. My cousin freaked out when heard of it since she though it was some genetic condition (she has 3 small children). Interesting how close the entire family branch could have died out since none of my great-aunts 3 children had children of their own. And our grandfather could have died in WWII.",
"The healing power of a capitalist mindset is underrated!",
"As a Finland-Swede, I've found that you Danes understand my clear brand of Swedish very well. Unfortunately, it does not always go both ways. Depends on the accent as you said. Also don't even get me started on your numbers system haha. Anyway, I've learned from my mistakes and now I stick to English when speaking with Danes. Except when I'm quoting Martin Röhde from Broen.",
"Most of those people don't believe in the vaccines working in the first place. I'm neither pro or anti vax, as I haven't researched the topic enough and don't feel like I need to until I decide to have a child someday, if I do. I've been vaccinated in the past but since turning 18 I haven't taken any vaccine. In my country there are \"obligatory\" vaccines and optional, paid ones. My little cousin had all the optional ones bought and he has socialising issues, aggression and self-harm tendencies. Dunno what to make of it.\n\nI'm neither pro or anti, but in my opinion it surely is shady. Take this one for example:\n\nhttps://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3170075/\n\nUS gives the most vaccines to children under age 1 and has the highest infant mortality rates. In comparison, SIDS practically doesn't exist in Japan - IIRC, they don't vaccine kids under 2 years old *at all*. Cliche coincidence, I think not. I won't conclude anything though, cause this is where my research ends. \n\nAs for whether having a dead child or a child with autism is better, it's a touchy subject that is too big to be discussed as an offtopic.",
"Yes, those other reasons being that most vaccines hadn’t been invented. Take a moment.",
"It was a long time ago",
"Yea like the fast food his doctor says keeps him healthy!",
"Yeah, the logic is bunk bullshit. My sister showed signs of autism while still in the womb. I know that's a bit hard to believe, but she would tuck herself into a tiny ball and rest wherever she could lodge herself. (Usually near the bottom, curled up against my moms spine.) Her ears are pointed from her pinning them down against the walls of the womb. No vax could've explained all that.\n",
"Who are the anti vaxers? I see people here saying it's the dumb dumb alt right\n A few posts down in white people Twitter it's the people who go to whole foods? So who is it reddit? You gotta decide...",
"While I agree to some extent... had we not started with medicine and vaccines centuries ago we may have much stronger genes today than we do but the fact is we don’t so it kind of has to be a binary argument. ",
"A vaccine won't be effective until up to two weeks after receiving the vaccine. Also, you should read up on how the flu shot works. It's not always fool proof. The flu changes very often seasonally and so an educated guess is made at what strain of the flu is going to make a splash this year and a vaccine is created for it. Sometimes that's not the strain that hits. https://www.cdc.gov/flu/protect/keyfacts.htm",
"> Moving away or suicide are probably the only two options.\n\nOr you turn into Robert Neville and devote your life to finding the cure and end up losing your mind along the way talking to mannequins and shit.\n\nJoking aside, your options there are probably spot on. There's no therapeutic relief from that.",
"I guess Mr Larsen slept on the couch between 1890 and 1897?",
"Trump is racist, full stop. \n\nSo you're not going to listen to 90% of the minorities in this country? Get out of here. \n\nJudges are EXPECTED to be neutral, we don't prejudge their ability (based on their race) to be neutral before they even try the case. \n\nYou are the one who has his head up his ass and refuses to see reality for what it is. ",
"Apparently he meant to say \"torn\". Which is still dumb, because I doubt many abortions take place in the ninth month. ",
"but they had been invented.\n\ntake 2 moments retart.",
"This is heartbreaking, but should remind us that for all the pain that our modern times bring, there are issues that humanity has suffered for millennia that have been either eradicated or greatly diminished. Technology brings great trouble, but has also brought great benefits.\n\nNostalgia is a powerful force, but we should not forget that to live in any other era of time would bring with it suffering we modern people have never known, and hopefully never will.",
"Kids tend to be diagnosed with any sort of autism (unless it’s very pronounced) at the age of 5 or later due to the fact that it’s hard to diagnose and be certain. And officials only take diagnosing seriously when they’re in school. And around those years kids are also being vaccinated. I’m just adding this info here because I work in child care and it supports your statement. “The kid probably already had autism and was diagnosed later in life.” ",
"My first name is Larsen ",
"As I understand it, they died from an infected serum so I agree that it is a bit confusing.",
"Half of me’s an octogenarian and half of me’s a toddler. Young adulthood is confusing. ",
"I feel bad for laughing but I can't help thinking of that Eric Andre skit whenever I see or hear diptheria.",
"\"close enough\"",
"You wash your asshole before 9am?\n\nDamn dude. Gonna make the rest of us look bad.",
"Elaborate",
"There is this funny knockoff called organ trail. ",
"Dad died in 1944, mom in 1952.. They lived for a long time. They had a whooping 16 kids!! [Source, i found their family tree](https://www.stoltze-saltoft.dk/familychart.php?personID=I501566&tree=1)",
"Don't think! Let your doctor do that for you! Inject what he tells you, no matter what. ",
"Welcome to the rest of us.",
"they should have vaccinated....\n",
"They all died between July 4 and July 7 in 1903 ages 15, 12, 5, and 4. If it was something like Scarlet Fever, then no, there has never been a Scarlet Fever vaccines. Scarlet Fever was eradicated without vaccines.",
"My grandmother's priest came to their house to ask why they weren't having anymore children after the youngest of 4 had turned 2. My grandmother already wasn't going that much to church (her husband was Protestant and she was Catholic, quite the scandal in that time) but that just cemented her belief that churches weren't great. She was so furious by that priest that she just stopped going and to raise her children to make their own choice when it came to religion.\n\nMy other grandmother was also looked at weirdly for only having 5 children. They lived in a street where they were the smallest family. One of their neighbour's had over 16 children. Pretty much everyone on that street was Catholic. Nowadays it's just unheard of here, even the very religious towns don't really have families that large anymore.",
"You're pulling out statistics from nowhere. If i thought the man was racist i wouldn't have voted for him. How tolerant you are though. I'm sure you're upset about actual racist democrats though right? Oh wait.",
"Have you ever been to conspiracy or t_d?",
"It is a little different. It works more by violating expectations, like when you take a cliche and twist it. It engages the mind rather than the gut.",
"sign says u can learn about the OGs",
"Let it out man",
"And can't take a joke",
"Most of your questions can already be answered by the current system.\n\n>Who gets to decide which vaccinations are mandatory & which ones aren't? Does a head scientist get elected or does an elected official choose this person?\n\n[Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices](https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/acip/committee/structure-role.html)\n\n>What is the threshold of benefit before a vaccination becomes mandatory?\n\nhttps://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/parents/vaccine-decision/sets-schedule.html\n\nACIP meets 3 times each year to discuss vaccine recommendations. They consider\n\n* How safe and effective the vaccine is when given at a specific age\n\n* The severity of the disease the vaccine prevents\n\n* How many people get the disease if there is no vaccine\n\n* How well the vaccine helps the body produce immunity to the disease\n\n>Who accepts liability for any mistakes that results in harm?\n\n[VICP](https://www.hrsa.gov/vaccine-compensation/index.html)\n\n>What do you do with those who refuse?\n\nLooking to current and past compulsory vaccination programs, states already condition access to public or private schools on a child being properly vaccinated. Just as an example, a vaccination requirement could be extended to driver's licensing.\n\nIn Jacobson v Massachusetts (1905), the compulsory vaccination program levied a fine against anyone who refused, and ordered detention until the fine was paid. The Supreme Court upheld this law, provided there was a medical exception. The Supreme Court has held that there need not be any religious or philosophical exemption for such a law to be constitutional.",
"I still find it crazy that Europe and Poland in particular. Was going through these epidemics. Then had to deal with the Spanish Flu at the same time WWI was going on in their lands and famine. Than after the war had to deal with refugees, and had yet another war the Ukraine about where their border should be. Than dealt with an attack by the Russians and CCCP. And still have a population to fight in WWII. There was a generation of people that knew nothing but disease famine and war.",
"The illuminati created the diseases.",
"do *you* have an autistic child? Do you know how many parents of autistic children feel that way? Obviously you don't. Also, why would someone spend \"so much time\" (like a handful of comments in a year, this guy hardly posts regularly) talking about a made up son on reddit to strangers? ",
"Good luck! They suck, but it feels great when you're done. Just don't focus on the swaths of people signing in, taking the exam, and leaving while you're still on block 5.",
"But Marie was older bruh",
"It's so annoying isn't it. I understand the frustration of parents- they want a reason why their kid has autism, and doctors sitting there and saying 'we don't know' doesn't help. But to latch onto junk 'science' that is preying on their worries is ridiculous. The problem is the people pedalling these lies- they are exploiting worried parents who want the best for their kids. They are just too scientifically illiterate to understand the difference between a huge study and Andrew Wakefield drawing rubbish out his arse. ",
"10 more kids. Well I double checked and it turned out to be 9, so I edited to fix, and added family photo. No pics of the first 3 afaik",
"As I sit with 4 boys 5 and under (twins as well)... I salute your enthusiasm :)",
"Winner\n\nThey all said they had the flu. They all got their shots. Though none of them went to a doc to confirm it WAS the flu. I didn't bother asking if they knew they had it after going to the doc, because I didn't even know since I didn't get the shot. From what few articles I've read through, the actual FLU will jack up your world. Having a really shitty cold paired with some other crap is just a bad couple of days off work.",
"Holy moly. My mom was born in 49 as well but she didn't go through much of that stuff. I think my uncle might have had scarlet fever or something like that but that was it. And they were the only two kids as opposed to my dad's side where there was six (and he's a bit younger)",
"Well, they did. Dad died in 1944, mom in 1952.. [Source, i found their family tree](https://www.stoltze-saltoft.dk/familychart.php?personID=I501566&tree=1)",
"also even if it did..\n(which it doesn't, because the person who invented it did that to scam money by making a mono vaccine and then falsifying a study to imply that a multi-vaccination would cause autism, but the mono were safe.. but ofc the idiots who believe that shit just apply it to any vaccination, so that's wakefield, your greed killed people. well done. \nBut even if it were... \n\nI'm rather autistic than dead, you know.. \nIts like pretty hurtful to have people basically state that having their child be autistic like me or so many other is so bad, they're rather risk the avoidable death or massive long time damages of their child or others than to have their child have autism.. \nlike, the fuck is wrong with those people? \n",
"Yup, that's exactly what the doctors should have done to me and my eldest child when I developed severe pre-eclampsia! Then I wouldn't have been around to spawn another 'ripped from it's mother's womb' child a few years later either. Twice they failed us by saving our lives. SAD! ",
"Are you by chance in a sexual relationship with a mentally handicapped person?\n\nBecause you're fucking retarded.",
"Which is fine. The dude may or may not be an idiot, which I can’t gauge by this one comment. But the satirization of anti-vaxxer beliefs is funny to me (and apparently others). This joke did a good job of that imo.",
"Good to mention that they don't do that so much anymore these days. \n\nPerhaps during the wars and into the 60's, but I can tell you that IS NOT a common practice anymore.\n\nSource: Lived in and studied Korean culture and the language for years.",
"Yes. I once mentioned ingredients of a vaccine and was banned from the vaccine forums. Yet, I've never posted in vaccine forums.",
"You strike me as someone I can have a conversation with that won't devolve into a flamewar, so I'll ask you some questions I am genuinely curious about regarding yourself (and maybe others like you).\n\n1) What is likable about Trump to you?\n\n2) If you like him, why does his Twitter need to go?\n\n3) Regarding the people who criticize him on Twitter, why are they sad? \n\nedit: trimmed question 3",
"Sounds like my family. My grandparents had 6 total (1 adopted) and outlived 4. 2 died in infancy of the same rare disease. 1 died drowning at 3. My mom died of cancer in her mid 50's close to 15 years ago. \n",
"\"come for the experience, stay for the veal\"",
"I'm bearing a **cold pain** inside my heart just after opening this. I wonder how their parents survived! I pray to the God to send them in heaven. ",
"Honestly it’s some of both.",
"Wait, what are we doing wrong with numbers? :D",
"Vaccination isn't an option anymore, it's a requirement. That's the only legitimate argument I've seen against them. Most of rest are just stupid conspiracy theories",
"we still have samples of small pox in storage, there is no vaccine or cure, its highly lethal. one little outbreak could easily go global pandemic and wipe out a few billion in a matter of a year.",
"these people had a total of 16 kids [Source, i found their family tree](https://www.stoltze-saltoft.dk/familychart.php?personID=I501566&tree=1)",
"If vaccines actually did cause autism in a large percentage of people, I definitely would not vaccinate my kids until they were reformulated. However they don't cause autism, so that's a non-issue.",
"Are you for real? Jesus, get over yourself.",
"Everyone's dying bitch, just at different pace",
"I read \"This is what happened when vacation wasn't an option\" and i didn't understand what this image had to do with anything until i read the comments. It went from a bummer to an even bigger bummer",
"Projection more.",
"The 1911 Scotland census has something similar. It's a column titled 'Married Woman' with three sub columns: duration of marriage, children born alive, children still living.\n\nI opened one of the 1911 census in my files to double check the wording, and of the 5 married woman on that page all of them have lost at least one child.",
"Now is more or less religious. I don't care about your politics, but Europeans and to an extend Americans are not producing as many.",
"This might be the dumbest question I've ever asked, but here it goes. Does the flu vaccine have the same importance as childhood vaccines? Those diseases require a few vaccines and then largely seem to stop being an issue. The flu constantly changes so you constantly need a vaccine and it's effectiveness varies from year to year. I am not anti vax, but I don't usually get flu shots. Trying to see if I should change my ways.",
"if they KNOW they can hurt someone by not vaccinating, and the don't vaccinate, they are choosing to hurt someone\n\nin all honesty you don't understand the relationship between responsibility and freedom, and therefore you don't understand what freedom is\n",
"Death is always tragic, but it's hard to fathom how much more common it was even 100 years ago. The way we think about miscarriages now (sad, but a fact of life) is how they dealt with the death of kids.\n\nNow, the death of any child for any reason is a complete shell shock.",
"Why not? Public health and safety matter more than some ridiculous ultimate expression of \"personal freedom\". What if anti-vaccerism becomes mainstream and a pandemic breaks out of a previously eradicated disease that no one has a natural immunity to anymore? It would be the most devastating event in American history and kill or cripple millions.",
"I read the same thing",
"Autistic guy here. Currently engaged to the love of my life, graduating this year and going on to get my Doctorate. I just wanted to apologise for being a drain on society in your eyes. ",
"Exactly. I had an aunt die at six weeks in the 50s due to myocarditis. It's usually caused by the type of flu that's currently going around this season. ",
"At first I thought this said vacation, and I spent several minutes trying to figure out how not going on vacation could lead to 5 people dying all at once.",
"You should update all of social media on your reality then in the past few years. You seem to be correct and everyone else is wrong.",
"And this is why herd-immunity is a myth. For decades the baby-boomers did not go back to receive their new immunization shots (as vaccines need to be re-administered every few years). It is estimated that a major percent of Americans during those decades (60's, 70's, 80's) were not vaccinated/protected from the usual diseases and viruses, yet orthodoxy loves to claim that vaccines is what destroyed the diseases. \n\nProper health and sanitary advances are what killed most of these ailments, not vaccines. When you have people shitting in the streets, you're going to have a bad time.",
"I first read that as 'vacation' instead of 'vaccination', and then wondered how hard their bosses must have been working those poor children.",
"That's good, at least.\n\n",
"yeah.. my dad is, his father is 100% too- but there the diagnosis didn't exist, they just fought their way through life and granddad the luck to meet my grandma, a really empathetic lovable person who supported him in things harder for him and vice versa.",
"[they had 16 total](https://www.stoltze-saltoft.dk/familychart.php?personID=I501566&tree=1)",
"WebMD: \"I DIAGNOSE YOU WITH DEAD\"\n\nme: \"I just have a bad cough I mean-\"\n\nWebMD: \"YOU HAVE AIDS AND CANCER YOU HAVE 3 WEEKS TO LIVE!\"\n",
"I don't think you know what that phrase means.",
"> Can you even imagine what that would be like as a parent? Losing 5 babies in a week? I don't think I could go on after that.\n\nWhile not kids the Sullivan Brother deaths happened on the same day. In WW2 the Sullivan Brothers from Waterloo, Iowa with ages ranging from 27 to 20 all serve together on the USS Juneau. ['The boys' father, Tom, was preparing for work when three men in uniform – a lieutenant commander, a doctor and a chief petty officer – approached his door. \"I have some news for you about your boys,\" the naval officer said. \"Which one?\" asked Tom. \"I'm sorry,\" the officer replied. \"All five.\"'](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sullivan_brothers)\n\nWhat adds to the heartbreak was they join because their sister's boyfriend Bill Bar was kill at Pearl Harbor. ",
"Of those children survived ? ",
"You’re a good parent. They will be okay! ",
"I wonder if the age gap between Holger and Anna is the kids that lived.",
"I am totally pro vaccine but have a couple of acquaintances who are anti-vaxxers. What response could i use to the argument \"why risk autism/poison etc if i can just treat my child with antibiotics if they get ill?\" \n",
"dont get drunk and deep throat if you dont like the morning after soreness....",
"Except the anti-vaxers are doing everything in their power to bring the world back to this. ",
"Not sure what bliver means, but apparently Jesus loved doin that to the hos. TIL.",
"no problem 6",
"> If you have a baby, don't let them around your kid.\n\nTo be safe, you shouldn't hang around them at all. Even if you are immune, you can transmit germs from them to other kids.\n\nYou could try treating them as if they are bio hazards (which, in a sense, they sort of are). Insist on washing your hands on arrival and on departure (and make a big deal about it). Keep antiseptic wipes and pull them out after all physical contact and wipe yourself.\n\nDon't invite them to any gatherings. If they ask why, say that it's too much trouble to find out if any of your guests may be immunocompromised, since it's a choice on their part.\n\nIt should be really uncomfortable and awkward to be anti-vaxx.\n\nI think the anti-vaxx movement works right now because on the most part they're just treated as if they're stupid and need to be educated. I think if we all treated them as if they were just super gross and yucky that might work better.",
"That's what happens when you lack clean water. ",
"the reduction of anti-vaxxers beliefs to a joke about autism is why they will never try to listen or go along.\n\nas i said. anti vaxxing has been a thing long before autism existed. so maybe there is more to it than dumb jokes that get endlessly repeated on here.",
"I feel you. We spent four days in the hospital to start our year off because our infant son got a cold that got out of control and turned into pneumonia. He was on a broad spectrum antibiotic, IV fluids, had to undergo a lumbar puncture, and his O2 stats tanked the first night so they put him on oxygen. I had to hold my baby boy while he was hooked up to a bunch of tubes and I've never felt so helpless in my life.\n\nHe's better now and nothing but smiles, and that's more than good enough to show me my life doesn't suck.",
"Balto.",
"Post this to their social media feed and ask them if they know anyone who has died of diphtheria recently.",
"the flu shot has been 12% affective in adults (CDC) so i guess having a degree in biochem doesn't make vaccines work either",
"I think. That's why I'm pro-vaccination.\n\nUnless you prefer dying of measles at the age of 7, you would be as well.\n\nPS-You can be against Big Pharma and corporate greed whilst simultaneously accepting the mountains of evidence that vaccination is a lifesaver.",
"[First thing](https://youtu.be/9ZSoJDUD_bU) that came to mind when I read this. ",
"so, like, idiot savant skill from fallout 4? \n\n\n^^/s, ^^i'm ^^autistic ^^too ^^please ^^don't ^^hurt ^^me",
"I'm glad someone understands. Some day's you just wish you could beat them with a shoe and make them normal for 5 minutes. Others you love them dearly.",
"Before contraception, too. ",
"Yep! I mean, the man has been barred from practicing medicine or doing any research and he’s STILL out there pushing his bullshit. And people are still gullible enough to believe it. I have been berated for “giving” my son autism by vaccinating him. Seriously. \n\nIt’s both heartbreaking and infuriating, on all levels. \n\nTY for your understanding and support. ",
"The real LPT is always in the comments",
"Hooray! Question mark?",
"My son, who is 12, just received his boosters this fall for this, mmr, meningitis and got his first shot of gardisil. He will get the second round of these in spring. ",
"Doesn't exist.",
"Awwh dude ",
"This is all of mine now. ",
"Yeah, I'm seeing a lot of \"I'm autistic and fine hurr durr\" lately. No one cares about the high functioning adults with autism. The real concern are the kids on the low end of the spectrum. The non-verbal or self abusive kids with ZERO chance of having a fulfilling life are the ones I'm worried about. ",
"Vaccinations campaings for this disease began in 1910s",
"Sweating-forehead-wipey-guy.jpg",
"Hey lady... I do. \n\nI also care about your current drain on society of an attitude. Not all disabilities are visible. Someone loves you, you should talk to them and figure out how. Then maybe you'll understand.",
"i understand your concern but it is fear based. it's the slippery slope fallacy\n\nwe already have police forces. what's stopping them from kicking in your door right now? nothing, except of rule of law. that's our protection, that's our ONLY protection, always was, and always will be\n\nyou have no protection by not passing a law about vaccinations, by passing a law about vaccinations you're not opening up a door to anything\n\nif people can't tell the difference between different topics: chemicals v vaccines, yeah, we're utterly doomed. but people CAN tell the difference, and that's the only protection you have, and ever had, and ever will have\n",
"> Russia\n\n4 indictments *so far*. 2 with guilty pleas. \n\n> Shithole\n\nWe'll probably never know for sure whether he used that specific word, [but he himself said he used \"tough\" language](https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/951793123985973248?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.washingtonexaminer.com%2Ftrump-denies-shithole-comment-but-admits-tough-language%2Farticle%2F2645727). There's also this: [Reached Friday at a Samsung appliance plant opening in Newberry, (Republican Senator Tim)Scott said that Graham told him the comments, as reported in the media, were “basically accurate.”](https://www.postandcourier.com/politics/sen-tim-scott-trump-s-shithole-countries-comment-is-accurate/article_e99c2fba-f7a9-11e7-a381-d7950e17b81f.html?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=user-share)\n\n> Racism\n\nMeh, I dunno either way. Probably no more racist than the average guy his age. He's no klansman.\n\n> The rape accusations\n\n[And to be clear, there are a lot of them. Many predating his election run.](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2017/nov/30/donald-trump-sexual-misconduct-allegations-full-list).\n\n> Denying Trump played a part in NK phoning SK for the first time in decades.\n\nCan you actually post a source that says *how* Trump played a part in \"NK phoning SK for the first time in decades\"?\n[\nBecause I just found an article that says this is the first time they've talked in 2 years.](http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/north-korea-crisis-latest-peace-talks-meeting-south-kim-jong-un-moon-jae-in-missiles-sanctions-a8142871.html) \n\n> Denying the economy is the best it's ever been\n\nOh I don't deny that, I just deny that Trump did absolutely anything to cause it. The tax bill is the first piece of legislation he's signed that should make any difference to the economy. It's no different than trying to attribute the 2008 crash that started before Obama as Obama's fault. Trump doesn't get credit when he hasn't *done* anything. \n\n> The Japan Koi feeding picture\n\nYeah that was clearly a non-issue\n\n> The Poland handshake issue\n\nYep nothing there either, though it is somewhat amusing to watch it and look at his face. He seems perturbed by it. ",
"RIP Aunt Micro-Cosmos. ",
"Okay ya'll. What about the mercury-based preservatives in many vaccines? Surely a common sense check makes one wonder about injecting mercury straight into your bloodstream. What about giving vaccines for STDs to newborns? What about vaccines like MMR that can overwhelm the immune system by presenting multiple diseases at once, again directly into the bloodstream? (Never ever would happen in nature). I have my tetanus shot, and a few others. I am a rational human being (despite what other comments are likely to say). I just have concerns about vaccines and don't blindly trust big pharma.\n\nEdit: I'm glad this could be a civil discussion that didn't resort to petty name-calling and derogatory comments. The tolerance and sincere engagement on the issue has really helped me to consider the other side of the argument. /s",
":( -> ):",
"I snorted. Upvote",
"You miss all of the shots you don’t take...",
"That's half of religion in a nutshell even today",
"Hell fairly sick kids make full grown adults lose their shit. I had a fairly sick patient... 18 months old. Had a febrile seizure and is still fairly out of it. Cops and firemen on scene wanted to escort the ambulance to the hospital. I was like... uh the kid is fine. My partner will drive and we're going with traffic but thanks.",
"Found Joe Jackson's Reddit account.",
"F",
"8 \n6 \n7 \n5 \n3 \n0 \n9",
"Jesus, TIL. That was a harrowing read. ",
"See, that's the problem with that statistic: 5-year-olds could expect to average 60 years old according [this graphic](https://ourworldindata.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Life-expectancy-by-age-in-the-UK-1700-to-2013.png)\n\nHigh child mortality drags the number down.\n\n",
"Today the under-five infant mortality rate in the US is nearly double that of South Korea.\n\nSK = 3.4 per 1000 live births\n\nUS = 6.5 per 1000 live births",
"Freeal Estate.",
"> and infant mortality was also way higher then\n\nWe're #32 in infant mortality. We're not a gold standard in any measure when it comes to mortality rates in children.\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_infant_and_under-five_mortality_rates",
"\"Doctor\" . We still have yet to find out. ",
"Exercising your ability to reframe everything is hugely beneficial to reducing undue stress in this life.",
"A 2016 study of 1.2 million babies indicated that the rates of autism were the same between the vaccinated and non-vaccinated children.\n \n* Vaccines are not associated with autism: An evidence-based meta-analysis of case-control and cohort studies.\nVaccine, Volume 32, Issue 29, Pages 3623-3629\nLuke E. Taylor, Amy L. Swerdfeger, Guy D. Eslick\n\nUnfortunately, this article is behind a paywall, but you get the idea.",
"Plaque reads:\n\n> In memory of teacher L.H. Larsen and wife Emelie's five children who died from diphtheria in 1903.",
"\"They\" is often used as a gender-neutral singular third-person pronoun.",
"Probably all ate tide pods",
"I’d actually like a painfully detailed guide on how to listen to symphonic music. I love classical music but often feel that while the music is amazing it never quite fits the situation. I’d love to know how to better shape my surroundings to improve my listening experience.",
"[The 1925 Serum Run to Nome. \"The Great Race of Mercy\"]( https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1925_serum_run_to_Nome?wprov=sfla1)\n\n675 miles in 5 and a half days via dog sled to save Nome from a diphtheria epidemic.\n\nAnd for the record, Balto only finished the last leg of the race. The longest and most dangerous part was led by Togo, but he never got the credit. It's hardly the story of Balto, it's the story if all the dogs and mushers that made the journey, but if you had to pick one doggo to celebrate above the others, it should be Togo.\n\n>With the news of the worsening epidemic, Seppala decided to brave the storm and once again set out across the exposed open ice of the Norton Sound when he reached Ungalik, after dark. The temperature was estimated at −30 °F (−34 °C), but the wind chill with the gale force winds was −85 °F (−65 °C). Togo led the team in a straight line through the dark, and they arrived at the roadhouse in Isaac's Point on the other side at 8 PM. In one day, they had traveled 84 mi (135 km), averaging 8 mph (13 km/h). The team rested, and departed at 2 AM into the full power of the storm.\n\n>During the night the temperature dropped to −40 °F (−40 °C), and the wind increased to storm force (at least 65 mph (105 km/h)). The team ran across the ice while following the shoreline. They returned to shore to cross Little McKinley Mountain, climbing 5,000 feet (1,500 m). After descending to the next roadhouse in Golovin, Seppala passed the serum to Charlie Olsen on February 1 at 3 PM.\n\n>[...]\n\n>Despite the attention lavished on Kaasen and Balto, many mushers today consider Seppala and Togo to be the true heroes of the run, as they covered the longest and most hazardous leg. They made a round trip of 261 miles (420 km) from Nome to Shaktoolik and back to Golovin, and delivered the serum a total of 91 miles (146 km), almost double the distance covered by any other team. After Kaasen's return, he was accused of being a glory hog. Seppala became upset when the media attributed Togo's achievements to Balto, and commented, \"it was almost more than I could bear when the 'newspaper dog' Balto received a statue for his 'glorious achievements.'\"",
"Well, if we're gonna be objective. A bunch of people got sick even with the vaccine for the flu this season. A lot of vaccinations I think are important, however the flu is different it seems. I'm not an expert at all but I'm healthy and not exposed to much so I don't bother with it. ",
"Mine was also ripped from my vag in the eighth month by a competent doctor who coached me through it. It’s barbaric the way humans still have children like the mammals we are. ",
"Religious. My parents are also Eastern European. ",
"They think sick is fine. We live in a world where we have plans for aids and we can deal with cancer. They believe modern medicine can beat these old diseases if their kids get it. People back in the day died because we didn't have sterile rooms and antibiotics. So there's no reason to risk having a lifelong disability versus a short term health issue.",
"$u$",
"Does not indicate that it was widely available at all. ",
"The fuck? Six out of every hundred newborns die in the US?",
"Sounds fair.",
"I remember reading WWII journal entries from a Japanese man that witnessed every able bodied man in his village get taken by the war. First the young, eager, and dutiful go off to the war. As the war goes on, the the less able are first asked, then ordered, to report for duty. Eventually, all but the most elderly and youngest boys are all that is left. Ironically, despite being a willing, healthy man in his 20s, he is immune. As the bureaucrat responsible for processing the drafting paperwork for the region, he is deemed essential to the war effort and ineligible for combat duty.",
"Where was this? Your grandparents aren't that much older than my parents, and the worst stories I heard about were chicken pox parties...",
"You have any evidence for this claim?",
"Hahaha. \n\nI stopped watching about 3 episodes into the new season. They killed that guy off yet?",
"And yet all three you named have vaccines? ",
"This title is easy for an imbecile to misinterpret.",
"i will support it. because a govt agent pointing a gun at an irresponsible moron to force him to vaccinate is less of a threat to my freedom than an irresponsible moron spreading disease to my kid\n\nidiocy is a far greater threat to your life and freedom than government\n",
"They did but it was probably not easy to come by.\n\nOriginally it was used only to get the baby out of a mother who had died during childbirth.\n\nThe rumor/legend that Julius Caesar was born this way is probably untrue (because his mother survived) but no one know why he was named \"to cut\" ",
"> But if I do ever have kids I'll probably look into it\n\nWHY!?!?\n\nWhen you get a new car, do you do online research to see whether maybe you should put supreme unleaded in your car or do you just trust the manufacturer's instructions?\n\nWhy is vaccination (and health in general) the one area where people refuse to trust the opinion of experts?",
"This is a really insulting rant.\n\nI've worked with hundreds of children/adults with autism in schools, homes and group homes. I live in the same house as an adult with autism. Most of them are lovable in ways you can't imagine. \n\nSome of them literally drool all day, hit, bite, scratch, throw things, pee and poop on you on purpose, don't sleep, scream, bang their heads against the wall, want to eat all day. It's like a 24/7 hell. As a parent, your there for your kids lives absolutely, but if it's overwhelming, and makes someone unhappy, that's not their fault. That's a natural reaction. It can make life feel like a prison. \"It's normal that she acts like a normal teenager and gets shitty with me.\" I guarantee your son/daughter is not as extreme as some, at the same time it takes a lot of hard work and patience to raise a child with autism no matter what so you must be doing something right. Just don't judge someone's feelings who's situation you are not in.",
"*hugs*",
"Im not religious, but my 4.5 year old has been consumed by the thought of death for about a year. I’m starting to tell him that heaven is real bc he tells me daily he doesn’t want to die. He needs to believe in this. ",
"Did you not actually read what I wrote? ",
"My son was missing two shots and the nurse acted like I wanted him to die. She's lucky she hadnt given him his shots first before she started with the sermon or I would have told her off. ",
"Yes the early 1900s the height of anti vax those evil fuckers!!\\s\n\n\nFor real though your title is shit.",
"Ok, sounds easier, thanks.",
"Thank you brave redditor for being the first to say it and let me know that I'm not alone.",
"If they were not dead before these, I'm sure they were dead moments after it. ...in one way or another.",
"please don't reproduce",
"lie! he turned water into typhus vaccination in a 7% grape alcohol solution",
"I would personally rather have an autistic kid than a corpse, so id still vaccinate. Thats just me though. Liking my child breathing. ",
"Now put that into a grim nursery rhyme.",
"can confirm, I'm (almost 50) still my mum's (just turned 80) baby...",
"All in July of 1903? Typhoid fever outbreak? Contaminated water supply? Vaccines are important but this HAS to go beyond a simple vaccination.",
"No, actually they're not",
"Any evidence or this claim? He cursed a fig tree for not producing fruit when it was out of season - why wouldn't he curse you for degrading into a corpse in your youth?",
"Maybe their 5 kids will grow up to be sensible, well rounded, ecological activists while your two grow up to complain that everything is other people’s fault.",
"Kick them in the genitals. We cannot let people like this breed. ",
"I think most people on Reddit fit into that category. ",
"Wait a minute, the reproductive lifecycle of a human woman is roughly mid teens to late thirties or better. For most women it's well over 20 years.",
"that's called a medical exemption\n\nthere is nothing wrong in a million years with a medical exemption\n",
"How did you find your great-grandmother's parish? The closest I've gotten to finding my Polish ancestors' places of origin is an immigration record stating that my great-great-grandfather was born in Warsaw, but that could easily mean \"tiny village that's closer to Warsaw than any other city\", so it doesn't tell me much.",
"you know the flu isnt the flu..\nits H[number] N[number] \nLike H1N1 - thats is ONE type of the flu, but there can be multiple because that fucker likes to mix its genes around (go on wiki, read the article about the Influenza virus, that explains it) \nWHich means that usually you don't have just one virus going around, you have many little variations, which makes making vaccines so hard because they change a lot-so yes, it could be that they got the flu because the vaccine usually cant protect 100%-but around 70% of types, which can make the difference between one flu and multiple. \nThen ofc it could be that their immune system did what was asked of them to do and reacted..which makes you feel ill because, well your body reacts to a part of a foreign organism in it- just only a part that can wreck as much damage as the fully functional thing would be.. ",
"If you’re under forty ask your mother or grandma about one in 70 kids with autistic traits in their day. My kids were all vaccinated over thirty years ago but they were spaced out and they weren’t coming from China 🇨🇳 either. You know the country that put lead in your kids toys and arsenic in your dog food. Calling autistic kids weird isn’t kind either. ",
"It's called herd immunity.\n\nIf you don't want to do the research, just ask yourself: do you trust experts and scientists?\n\nIf not, go do your own research on the subject, or make your own treatment somehow.\n\nOtherwise, best just listen to the doc and take your shots.\n\n... 'cause you're looking at the alternative.",
"But I did :( ",
"They're stupid and wrong. But these comments are hyperbolic bullshit...\n\n> suggest that a dead child is better than an autistic one\n\n> they are saying that 'preventing' autism is of a higher priority than preventing death\n\nIf you misrepresent people's views, they're never going to listen to anything you say at all.",
">Wouldn't have believed that level of stupidity, but then I clicked...\n\n\n\nWhere have you been all this time?",
"I thought you don't get into heaven until judgement day? So Granma is still in the ground\n",
"I refuse to believe this isn't satire.",
"Lmfao. Your kids fucked",
"maybe neither",
"What is an anti-vaxxer in your view? ",
"This was one bad car wreck. ",
"At a glance I thought that said \"vacation.\"...\nBut no this picture had to be more tragic than that :/",
"Thanks for getting me vaccinated mom ",
"The only thing it engaged was an alert that there’s a 60+ year old man on Reddit. Mind-engaging? Lmao. ",
"They died from an experimental serum used to treat DPT:\n\nhttps://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/7s4upg/this_is_what_happened_when_vaccination_wasnt_an/dt25vi9/?utm_content=permalink&utm_medium=api&utm_source=reddit&utm_name=pics",
"agreed",
"This is what happens when birth control wasn’t an option",
"If you think your brain is fried now, wait until after the baby is born. ",
"A lot. A lot is wrong with people who swallow everything they’re told whole. People who don’t think for themselves are terribly dangerous to the human population. ",
"Where do you live? I'm fucking moving there",
"It's all good buddy thanks for the apology ",
"Brokenhearted twice in a row. Bigly.",
"Curious, unless you are a vampire, how do you know what day of the week it was? ",
"My dad does a lot of Geneology and that's something he has seen many times. One that he has talked about that stuck with him was a row of I think 8 children who had died young, and sometimes only lived a few days. The last child on their headstone had etched \"Oh what dreams lay buried here\". I think that family last every child they had. It chokes me and my dad up every time we think about it. I think we have a photo of it, I will see if I can find it because I am sure I missed a couple of important details, but the days would be pretty close to this, late 1800's early 1900's. ",
"holy shit the lesions are scary",
"Because the lead researcher of \"the vaccine study\" claimed his data was falsified...see movie \"vaxxed\"judge for yourself",
"Doesn't seem to be data for North Korea, but I'm sure they're keeping the tradition going.",
"🙁😢",
"Since when does strength = immunity? \n\nThey are *very* few disagreements on the benefits of vaccinations. Most of the rest of your argument (Big Pharm, etc.) makes sense for some (not all) **medications**, but not vaccines. Vaccines are very cheap, have a small profit margin, and have been around long enough that any patents that did exist on them (which would have made them expensive initially) have lapsed. \n\nYes, exercise and healthy eating are good at preventing heart disease, hypertension, etc. But they don't do much for polio, diphtheria, small pox, etc. ",
"That tells me so much more about you than you probably realize.",
"Better that than to be born dumb.",
"Ah yes, times when people didn’t have the option to survive minor illness ",
"Mam.",
"i read vacation at first i had never been so confused",
"Lol sometimes I think time is going backwards for America... ",
"> Most of Africa \n\nI'm talking about *all* of Africa. If you're really claiming Africa's population growth is negative, i would like to see your sources.",
"No TV => big family.\n/s",
"Isn't this a false equivalency? ",
"With overpopulation as bad as it is, having kids for the sake of being 'replaced' is totally egotistical and unnessisary of you.\n\nGood job further burdening your species and planet. Now one day kids that were born before yours are going to have to compete with two more younger, stronger humans while they battle for basic resources in the sepia-toned post-nuclear wastelands of the future. \n\nAs a childfree person, I hope you're ashamed. \n",
"The repetition of getting all those vaccinations might soothe the stress of thinking about antivaxxers. ",
"> i think that the question is not about vaccinations so much as it is about how they are administered... they should be more spaced out... not all given together. each one separately...\n\nBecause?",
"People: medical doctors are ruining this country with their over prescriptions, opiods, anti depressants and medications are killing america.\n\nAlso People; listen to doctors no matter what cause you are an idiot and will destroy the fabric of society with diseases.\n\n\nI am pro vaccination but I do think people become sycophants about information they don't really know about.",
"I don't understand anti-vaccers. I worked with a girl who was one and her kids were unvaccinated because she believed the vaccines cause autism nonsense. What annoys me is that even with overwhelming evidence that vaccines do far more good than harm, she would still fight to the death (of her unvaccinated children) saying vaccines are the harbingers of doom. And then the second she gets any sort of \"proof,\" a la someome getting a cold after being vaccinated a few years back, she takes that as validation and is 10 times more firm in her retarded belief",
"I'm having a problem asking people if they are anti-vaxxers. How do you bring it up? I worry because there are tons of anti-vaxxers in the community. I lose respect for people who are anti-vaxxers so we might not even remain friends after knowing this information. ",
"yeah... That story was made up.\n\nThere's such a thing as a urethral reroute.",
"Thank you! My oldest complains almost every day that we didn't stop with 1 so that's how we know we're doing the right thing.",
"My son has a genetic disease, NF1. ",
"THANK YOU for posting! Not only are vaccines life saving for you, but they are life saving for those around you who cannot get them.",
"Australia. Here are the immunisation requirements for benefits if you're interested: https://www.humanservices.gov.au/individuals/enablers/immunisation-requirements",
"If you're min-maxing for autism, what is your dump stat?",
"Happened here in the US as well. Flu wiped out a good portion of the population of Philly at one point. ",
"I understand your point entirely, but I was under the impression antivaccers had less to do with constitutional rights and more to do with unintended consequences of the vaccines. Whether those consequences are a reality and a result of vaccines has yet to be determined, particularly with new vaccines. So the motive is fear and suspicion with a sprinkling of ignorance as opposed to an unwavering dedication to constitutional freedom. ",
"I just looked it up, the average was 6.1 deaths per 1000 births in 2010. Not 100",
"> If they KNOW they can hurt someone by driving on the highway, and they drive on the highway anyways, they are choosing to hurt someone.\n\nNo, I think you are in some way conflating/combining responsibility and freedom. This doesn't make any sense at all. Just because something is good for everyone, doesn't mean it's not authoritarian. It doesn't matter if something is good or bad, necessary or unnecessary. Forcing someone to do it, or not allowing them to do it, is authoritarian (again, not always a bad thing), and therefore anti-freedom. You're just changing the definition of things because you think \"freedom\" = good, and forcing vaccinations = good, so forcing vaccinations must = freedom. This is a fallacy and you're incorrect.",
"👉😎👉Zoop",
"There is a small cemetery in Iowa where my mom and grandmother are. The amount of children there is astonishing.",
"1. The man has gotten the economy to the highest point it has ever been. He has also regained support from allies who were toying with the notion of siding with other nations instead. He somehow got North Korea to check itself. Got Japan to agree to use their missile defenses for missiles going towards america when they only were to use it if a threat were towards japan. He has unintentionally caused shitty cultures such as Hollywood and the MSM to fold onto itself and eat itself alive. He made it possible to beat the most horrid woman in all of existence. Wikileaks exposed how corrupt and evil the DNC was. The modern left is the most hateful and vile group i've ever witnessed in america. He actually seems to care about the nature of inner city black neighborhoods and has regularly talked with civil rights leaders and not rappers and such like Obama. He took a pay cut and extreme amounts of abuse just to be president and help people. On an askreddit thread asking people who worked for trump how he was, they all had great things to say about him. Many more things but i'm running out pf space.\n\n\n2. I like him, albeit i didnt at first, but he words things too poorly and seems kind of impersonal. \n\n\n3. They spam tweets the second the tweet is up, and act as if they're great people when that isnt the case. They don't bring arguments, only threats and insults. It's just as cringy as people posting those, what i call \"old people memes\" on dem twitter feeds.",
"I believe now mainly to stay sane. If not what's even the point. Lol",
"Translation:\n\nTo remember teacher L.H Larsen and wife Emilie's five children that died of diphtheria in 1903.",
"Can confirm idiot spite. I actually had a nurse once ask me \"Are you sure you want him to get this?\" when my youngest was to get his first shots after the older 2 were diagnosed.\n\n-father of 3 autistic kids who get vaccinations on schedule - because science.",
"Did they name your grandma like \"Marilyn2\"? ",
"My Scots ancestors shelled them out every year or two. Most survived (less TB in the Highlands), and some were lost away to the USA. Now those links are altogether lost. Please do FTDNA, and upload to GEDmatch, and then we'll see what distant cousins we have.",
"Ah, but they get to look holier-than-thou, and attend meetings where they pat one-another on the back and convince themselves they're in the right.",
"My mom was born in 1950. She's 11 of 14. 1 died at birth or shortly after, one died at 3 months, and another at 18 months. The rest lived to adulthood. All but the last one was born at home. Basically my grandma had a baby every 18 months between 1936 and 1960",
"Not when it's blocked with the clap. ",
"But the thing is, the incidence of dangerous diseases which we vaccinate for is now very low in the US, so not vaccinating is very far from a death sentence. I actually think that a link to autism would be a very good argument against vaccination if it were true.",
"Psycho in my mind \n\nLunatic hysteria \n\n[Woke up in the morning and I got diphtheria](https://youtu.be/LYjqm9HIGtQ?t=55s)",
"Was weaker dat weekend tho :(",
"That's really gotta suck for those parents.",
"Do people still believe that? That shit was disproven in 2008. ",
"In 1883, a town in NW Louisiana (Shreveport) which is now a fairly large city, was hit by a Yellow Fever epidemic hit Shreveport and killed about 17% of the population (759/4500) and almost all were buried in a mass grave in the city. \n\n",
"*Most of the people* who report that people treated death with stoicism *are not of the culture and lack the ability to truly know how others felt.*\n \nAnd history **his story** was almost all written by men; the voices of the women who lost the children is mostly absent as are the working class voices. I say because when my great grandmother buried her third children (3 sons died, 3 daughters survived); it **broke her**. She never recovered from the deep depression and her mental illness also broke the family. Her voice and her story have only been whispered in my family for almost 100 years and when I did, no one will remember.",
"You must be fun at the parties ",
"Congrats on soon to be dadness!!! There's no better joy in life! ",
"):",
"I'm familiar with croup as I got that often when I was a child and this just seems much worse, terrible way to die.",
"I responded to you? They would be bad parents which is why a lot abort.",
"Hut hut...hike!",
"1. 0 thimerosal based vaccines for children for the past 26 years. \n2. I believe you are talking about HepB. Newsflash, sexual contact is one of dozens of vectors of transmission. Scratch, got HepB. Your child bites or get bitten by another, got HepB. \n3. No vaccine is ever given straight into bloodstream. \n4. Average human INHALES about 860.000 bacteria in 24 hours. \n \nYou are not rational, you are the exact opposite.",
"I would love to hear these explanations, actually.",
"TBF, religion *was* probably a huge help. But man--I love your edit! :D",
"> not a statement of fact, but a prayer.\n\nReminds me of *\"Lord, I believe; help my unbelief.\"*\n\nAn affirmation of trust with the admission of intense or ongoing struggle.",
"Didn't the Spanish Flu kill more people during WWI than weapons?",
"We did! taking it off was fine. and at the end, putting the new one on was fine. But the 27 hours in between when we were dealing with a VERY corroded steel pipe section, (hey kids, steel and copper don't mix!) were cray-cray in a bad way. But hubby and I got through it with lots of screaming at each other on account of how in love we are.",
"Superfecundity",
"Your source only claims this to be the case for the plural form, so it would not have applied to this case. Interesting trivia tho.",
"So, i decided to do some digging, as a lot of people seem to wonder what happened to the parents. They lived on, and even had more children after that. They even had a newborn during 1903. i can't see if the child had been born at that time, or if the mother was pregnant.\n\nThey had a total of 16 children. (also counting the stillborn they had in 1913)\n\n~~They lost yet another child, Johanne that somehow didn't get a spot (perhaps her death was unrelated)~~\nNever mind that, Her middle name was Marie, the first one on the stone.\n\nDad died in 1944, mom in 1952.. They lived for a long time. They had a whooping 16 kids!! [Source, i found their family tree](https://www.stoltze-saltoft.dk/familychart.php?personID=I501566&tree=1)\n\nThey had a total of 5 children die before they turned 7.\nOnly 2 of the dead ones reached their teens.\n\nthey had at least 4 children after their mass-loss. Although that number may be higher, as there are 3 children with no information regarding their birth or death day.\n\n[**the cause of death was a serum with fungal growth in it!!**](https://www.stoltze-saltoft.dk/getperson.php?personID=I501558&tree=1)\n\nWill edit this, as i get more info.\n\n",
"I’m not sure if that was deep, or if I should call you a smart-ass. Leaning toward smart-ass. ",
"Where is the information showing that they died from a disease for which there is a vaccine?\n\nOh, wait, doesn't matter. It's the Reddit daily vaccine circlejerk, where Reddit turns into Facebook, and dissenters had better STFU.",
"Many religion's dogma regarding kids are to help people play a numbers game as well. Even if it's described as some \"divine edict\" there's probably some seed there from just trying to perpetuate the society (and thus religion) by making sure that not everyone died out.",
"The source of my statement is this comment chain where you're being downvoted for being a dumbass by more than \"one random humorless person\"",
"For a large number of people it is easier and less painful to believe that there is some cause, reason, meaning, or conspiracy behind any given thing that is troubling them than it is to believe that bad shit just happens and they have no control.\n\nIt's all just easier when you have someone/something to blame and hate.",
"Why should we endanger healthy children by injecting aluminum, other adjuvants (like mercury in the Flu shot) and animal fetus' directly into the blood stream (bypassing most of our immunity) to save weaker immune-compromised children? At what cost is it \"ok\" to let weak genetics thrive while causing otherwise healthy children risk to all these other ailments:\n\nhttp://info.cmsri.org/the-driven-researcher-blog/vaccinated-vs.-unvaccinated-guess-who-is-sicker\n\nhttps://info.cmsri.org/hs-fs/hubfs/Vaxed%20Unvaxed%20Memes/VaxVsUnvaxed%20Survey%20Graphic-Updated.png?t=1516362955921&width=531&height=531&name=VaxVsUnvaxed%20Survey%20Graphic-Updated.png\n\nStudy between vaccinated and unvaccinated children's results:\n\n2.4x more likely for chronic illness\n2.9x eczema\n3.7x neurodevelopmental disorder\n4.2x autism\n4.2x adhd\n5.2x learning disabilities\n30.1x allergic rhinitis ",
"The part that seems scary to me is having more kids assuming a good part will die young, then they all make it, only to realise you don't have the means to sustain such a large family. Yikes...",
"When one of my children died one of the things that kept me going was knowing and being able to love my other living child. Soo... based on my unfortunate experience in this area I would reject the hypothesis that it would be “better for the parents and the kids if they didn’t have any other kids.“ I mean I see why that would be intuitive but just...no ",
"Gonna try for a girl?",
"Stop using Reddit because some people have children who can’t.",
"I think it's only one of those things you know you have the ability to deal with when something that tragic happens. Until then it's only speculation.",
"Please stop. You're very bad at this.",
"Love dead babies! Why I vote democrat.",
"Haha I have one sibling but would have love to have more. I feel like I would have loved to have a younger sister or brother so much and I am sure your 18 year old will realise that when she gets a bit older",
"Worst one I ever saw was \"7/0\"",
"> All my kids are alive\n\nWe have 3 kids. I wanted a dog. My wife resisted, furiously. I could not understand it. She eventually broke down and said \"It's another being I have to keep alive\"\n\nI had no idea she carried that weight. She relented and we got the dog. I felt like a real asshole when we found out the dog had parvo the next day and would likely die.\n\nShe didn't...\n\nhttps://photos.app.goo.gl/AwjBzJZVFTYYsEqF2",
"Awesome, I've always wanted to be upside down! ",
"Most people in those times died of infectious diseases due to poor sanitation and hygiene. Disease sprung up from cow and horse feces in the street and human waste right along them. Indoor plumbing, sewer systems and proper hygiene went a long way. It’s one of the reasons why people in Africa and rural India continue to suffer in this manner. Not sure where/how these particular deaths were related to any disease currently preventable by vaccines. ",
"I studied this immunology in uni, I'm just joking around but it's an informative post :) Please people, take your full course of antibiotics! \n\n(but no she didn't swab me for strep). ",
"So, it was because of lack of penicilin not because of lack of vaccines. Logic 9000",
"For me, I enjoy listening to it as I'm doing tasks around my apartment or if I'm taking the train and reading/playing a game.\n\nFor pure enjoyment purposes, I'll sometimes hook up my studio headphones and just lie down and listen to pieces to remind myself of my days in orchestras.",
"Welcome to 1903. Is this supposed be strong evidence that all vaccines are great?",
"That probably called them “off” or “odd” without much thought beyond that.",
"Man, five kids dying a terrible death, all within three days. Life was terribly hard back then. Those poor parents ...",
"father of 3 autistic kids - 4, 5, 7. \n\nMost days I'm losing my mind, but we're lucky and all are verbal and learning. I can't speak to your situation but I feel for you and I hope the best for your son and your family.",
"Babies bring joy and healing. Babies bring life. Congratulations on your daughter! ",
"Ah shit I was so confused. I read it as Vacation at first glance and thought the parents started killing the kids lol",
"idk, if I had to choose a kid with autism and a kid buried in the ground, I’d choose the former.",
"Oregon Trail on expert difficulty. ",
"People had so many children because they had no contraceptives. The fact that this compensates for deaths due to disease is more of a positive side effect than the real reason.",
"Then smashing the dick won't do any good, either.\n\nA urethral reroute is when they bore a hole through from your grundle/taint/assneck/barse/guiche/sackback to your bladder, allowing you to pee through a hole in your grundle/taint/assneck/barse/guiche/sackback. Some kink groups do this as a form of feminisation play, but that's pretty extreme.\n\nShort version - at no point would any medical practitioner \"smash a dick\" to \"get at the urethra\" to \"let someone piss.\" That's not the procedure.",
"No, they're not. I understand your sentiment, and I am completely in favor of vaccinations... but anti-vaxers do not have the goal of bringing about more deaths from illnesses, and demonizing them tends to only make them more stubborn about their beliefs. \n\nThey're confused, don't understand science, and are often susceptible to conspiracy theories. But their goal isn't \"more death.\" Often, their goal is to protect their children (same as anyone!) but they have been manipulated by unreliable information.\n\nThat said, anti-vaccination rhetoric makes me want to bash my head against a wall. But I don't think that treating a person who has been manipulated as if they were evil is helpful to anyone.\n\nAlso... this post is probably my response to someone other than you - so I'm sorry if I'm misrepresenting you here. I probably need to go talk to that person now.",
"According to the sign they died of diphtheria, so no. Unfortunately, the vaccine was not developed until 20 years after their loss. ",
"https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/7s4upg/this_is_what_happened_when_vaccination_wasnt_an/dt29wb0/",
"That and \"many hands make light work\"",
"Its only low because of the vaccine. If enough people were selfish enough to hold that perspective, than it can easily come back. Dead kids everywhere because of assholes who could t think past their petty prejudices or lack or perspective. ",
"Please don’t turn Reddit into a Facebook circle jerk regarding vaccines.",
"> I cant take what you're saying to heart after getting a flu shot and a day later a two week round of illness hits me.\n\nInjected flu vaccines contain inactivated viruses that literally cannot replicate to make you ill. Correlation, causation, yadda yadda yadda.",
"My daughter’s preschool teacher said developmentally, this is okay and normal. She’s mainly concerned with me and her dad dying, and how long is life, and if it hurts. Spooks me out. ",
"Vaccines are proven to cause testicular cancer, do your research \n\nEdit: Read my username ya dingus",
"I'm not religious in any way but I'm pretty sure Jesus being around lepers and healing leprosy was like, pretty significant in the Bible.",
"You literally stereotyped entire group of people as \"all or nothing\" and then accused that group of seeing everything \"black and white\". Oh, irony thou heartless bitch.",
"I have sore throat and cough for over a month already. I have problems with swallowing and I've noticed a white patch on my throat few days ago. I still think it's tonsillitis, but anyways I think I should see a doctor now :P .",
"Stop making it about ding dong trump. You'll just piss off half the people in the thread and they'll reject vaccines for that much longer. ",
"The flu is a little different because mutation rates for influenza are so high. Since there are many species that can contract it, it’s really difficult to develop a permanent vaccine. Every flu season, the virus is slightly different than the last, so there are organizations who are responsible for monitoring outbreaks and strains and predicting what the next outbreak will look like. They do this so they can have a possible vaccine on hand. I believe this year, there was a slight calculation error so the vaccine developed was less effective and I believe a statement was issued as a public warning ",
"Our twins were in the NICU for about 11 weeks, I still think about the moms who did not take their babies home. I brought 2, so no matter how much crap happens to us, we won the lottery in life. That sounds selfish and mean now that I see it in print, but there it is.",
"*dem krayzee catholicz*",
"Jesus. And with the honour and pride thing, he must have really taken that hard. I wonder if other people gave him shit for it.",
"One of my friends is like this! Her interests are Chinese and Japanese. \n\n\nAfter only 5 years studying Chinese, she’s gotten to the point where she’ll be in China, get in a taxi in the dark, converse in Chinese and scare the shit out of the taxi driver when they realize she’s actually a white foreigner, not a native Chinese. When she talks to Asian gamers online via text or voice, they don’t believe she’s white, they think she’s a reverse-weeaboo who’s good at English and pretends to be an American. ",
"As someone who mc our much tried for only baby, I was a wreck. I literally couldn't function and due to a number of other factors was physically very ill for 2 months after. My husband was terrified that he's come home to find me dead. \n\nIt took 2 years after that for him to finally mourn our child. \n\nHugs sir and spoil that little girl when she arrives!! ",
"I hate how people can be totally blind to the context of another persons life. \n\n\"I'm a much better person than Thomas Jefferson because he owned slaves.\"\n\nSounds like\n\n\"I'm smarter than Issac Newton because he didn't even know how to use a smart phone.\"",
"That gravestone looks new...",
"Don’t worry, it’s just cancer. ",
"Well it would depend on the rate, if vaccines had a 25% chance of causing autism then yea I wouldn't vaccinate my kid either.",
"That is basically the biggest headfuck imaginable. Your whole family gone. Just taken away by an invisible assailant. Jesus. 😒",
"Sounds like population control ",
"Also, present diligence in vaccine research doesn't mean it will remain diligent in future (i.e. vaccines actually causing autism).",
"Prejudices?",
"But...mercury and Wakefield and stuff.\n",
"I think over 50% is \"good\" enough:\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_mortality_from_H5N1\n",
"If I had gold, you'd have it.",
"Yeah. Five times the amount.",
"Yep, different cultures. We only know what we see, and in many cultures where childhood death is common folks just have to press on.\n\nI'm sure all of our great and great grandparents who routinely had half their kids die before 5 suffered. But most of them didn't break; they pushed on. Because that's how it was.",
"This. \n\n- A wife of man with ASD. ",
"Hahahaha. I'm dying",
"me too rip in peace ",
"Wait, how should I comb through thrift stores? I always just wander around aimlessly ",
"How did you conclude that they all died of a preventable disease? It could have been a house fire. Check your facts.",
"“Anyone who doesn’t share my opinions are either unable to think or have been bribed”",
"I just want to once again thank scientists and doctors and everyone for vaccines and modern medical treatments. Chances are I'd be dead without it.",
"Heart breaking beyond what we can understand today. But still, there is nothing that their parents coild have possibly done. What really makes my blood boil is the utter stupidity of modern-day so-called parents that refuse to vaccinate their kids against all evidence, putting at risk other people, not only their unfortunate children. They should be shot and dragged through the streets tied to some horses. And then burnt in pyre with all their new age bullshit.",
"Might as well add my name to that list if those were my kids.",
"Hi there. ~~My name is Macklemore and~~ I'd like to know some of your thrift store techniques. ",
"Fecal-Oral transmission. \n\nIt doesnt literally mean a person is eating poop but more often that a food source is contaminated with human/animal feces and the food is then not washed properly. \n\nIt also can happen when sick people do not wash properly and contaminate objects. Then other vulnerable people come into oral contact with that one way or another. \n\n\"Fecal-Oral Transmission\" is a very common form of bacterial/viral/protozoal transmission even though the name kinda sounds like otherwise. ",
"Nobody wants to get close enough to him, so he can't catch any diseases.",
"I remember reading about diphtheria and tetanus in med school thinking that they sounded like 2 of the worst ways to die and it was interesting that their vaccines were paired. In residency, I watched a child die of meningococcus and I have never been more scared of an infectious disease. All of these are vaccine preventable, get your damn shots",
"They were more used to infant mortality and dying of illness at a young age in general.\n\nI mean, it still causes a lot of grief, but as an example imagine a future where lethal car accidents never happen anymore. You can find the story of a few members dying in a single car crash and people would all be speechless as to how we even coped with the risk of having people we know killed instantly some day out of pure dumb luck accident on the road. Yet we do cope with it and keep on living.",
"Not necessarily. Think of all the stuff we get for free. Places like google give away all these goodies to data collect. When something is free , the product is YOU!",
"not everything affects adults the same way it does children with undeveloped immune systems",
"Better having no kid than a kid with autism?\n\nDepending on the severity of autism this could be a reasonable opinion",
"Diphtheria mostly kills kids and the elderly. The parents probably survived. Penicillin began being used to treat diphtheria four decades later. So, the parents may have lived to see the fatality rate of diphtheria drop substantially.",
"Eat lead!",
">but that just goes to show how much they don't care about anyone but themselves.\n\nYou want to force everyone to inject something unknown to them into their bodies because you're so selfless?",
"...remember to bring misery to all of my enemies and may their loved ones succumb to disease. Amen.\n\nPS- Please help our crops grow large and plentiful.\n\nPPS- Why did you make my penis so small? I bet you think it's hilarious don't you?",
"Jesus what hos?",
"He. I don't know. All I really know is my kids are amazing and I just sit back and watch them make themselves into these great people. Sometimes they're a little selfish, sometimes a little loud, sometimes a little lazy, but that's OK, too.",
"Plague?",
"I think you're working with multiple definitions of the word stupid, and insisting that they are equivalent.\n\nMaybe we can agree they are illogical? Unconvinced by a reasoned argument? Willfully ignorant? These are all versions of stupid to me, even if someone is intelligent by some other measure.",
"Getting a vaccine is like standing in the rain in a crowd where almost everybody has umbrellas. You might get protected by someone else's umbrella, but you sure as hell want to have your own. To get you protected from the rain, someone else is giving up some of their protection, because umbrellas are only so wide.",
"Yes, but they weren't autistic were they?",
"I wish I could post photos here to show you what these fuckwits post on facebook, I've seen people explicitly say that they would rather their child was dead than autistic- I joined an anti-vax group once because I was curious/I thought the stuff I'd seen was too awful to be true and I ended up leaving because some of the stuff was so disgusting I was in tears",
"how come? i think there are a lot of situations where it's imaginable, especially one where the child makes your life extremely stressful and a living hell. i am surprised my father loves me although he has every right to hate me",
"Yeah.\n\nThough the concept of herd 'immunity' is kinda misplaced cos it doesn't actually mean immunity or anything. \n\nIt means 'group resistance' to symptoms of the disease and kind of works by extension. (if lots of people are resistant the pathogen will have difficulty spreading between hosts)\n\nHowever even immunised members of the group can act as vectors for the pathogen (think typhoid mary) and immunisation isn't in any way perfect.\n\nYou can fight off the symptoms but you can still carry and spread the disease and even if you are immunised and pass the disease to someone in whom the vaccination has not been completely effective.\n",
"The cold is caused by a virus...",
"Jeez right there with you. Monday one had a temp of 103, Tuesday the baby and myself had it, then another one. Luckily it stopped there and stayed away from the oldest and my wife. Everyone is back to business today. ",
"Everybody who sees this post should remember the fact that the anti-vax movement is zealously advocating that medicine return to this primitive state. Children suffering from preventable diseases until they die in droves. These people applaud the resurgence of measles and whooping cough while flaunting their scientific illiteracy.\n\nEven the current president of the United States has parroted that kind of anti-vax bullshit. Let that sink in for a hot minute. There should be no distinction between child abuse and anti-vaccination propaganda.",
"Some are people who genuinely feel there is a conspiracy.\n\nMost are just hipppies (if left wing) or Evangelical (for any religion, not just Jesusism) nuts.\n\nYou should check out the LastWeekTonight piece on Vaccines. A skeptic woman started her own org to probe on vaccines. After half a decade of probing through research papers and talking to chemists and biologists, the org concluded that vaccines are not some evil conspiracy but a necessary, lifesaving facet of modern medicine.",
"..and about comfortable and royal dumps. ",
"lol me too. I was like \"jesus, wtf happened in July and why didn't they just not go to work!??\"",
"Your wife did her job!",
"Now days, everyone's trying to live to 90 and having a child is your right\n\nWe have royally fucked our genetic pool. ",
"Better dead than autistic... even though there is no scientific evidence that links vaccines with autism.\n\n\n/s",
"That mush be hard, my best wishes are with you.",
"I live in a country with obligatory vaccinations. None of this is happening ",
"They watched so many of their kids die... my god",
"People doing good things just because it feels right makes me hopeful for the future.",
"27 children? I bet the last child just sorta walked outta there. ",
"Barely 700 cases .\nI'm talking billions of deaths not few hundred .",
"And people living in developed countries are quite stupid if they don't get the vaccinations nowadays.\n\nMy friend in the Philippines has a 2 year old and a 9 year old still waiting for vaccinations. The local health clinics never have stock and the government is supposed to provide them for free, but they simply never come. Instead, they announce vaccinations at \"all public schools\" but it is all just for show. All the local newspapers will announce the vaccination drives and then.... they are never there.",
"\"but, autism\"",
"It would likely work 75% better if people actually washed their hands as much as the should",
"Not OP, but my sister asked me once, “if your leg was broken, would you see a doctor? If you had appendicitis, would you see a doctor? What is different here? Do you want to be healed or do you want to be injured for the rest of your life, however long that may be?”\n\nI’m sorry for your pain. I wish I had more useful insight.",
"Congratulations!! I had my first 11 months ago. Prepare yourself to fall in love like you’ve never fallen before",
"Or you beat it and have immunity. ",
"the Apple falls not far from the tree. It is genetic,\n\n",
"Aren't those the numbers from Lost?!?! ",
"Then the reason I choose is that the point of life is extending the human lifespan as long as possible through scientific methods. ",
"Lack of access to contraception and ignorance likely played a larger role.",
"In 1937 in New London, Texas [there was a school that exploded.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_London_School_explosion) \n\nKilling more then 295 students and teachers in a town with a population less then 1000 people.\n\nIt is still the deadliest school accident in American history.",
"I mean.. the plack on the left says that they died due to Diphtheria, which there is a vaccine for now.",
"A special ed teacher on Askreddit answered that : it's actually the parents of difficult children with autism who perpetuate that a lot. \nYou have a child who burden it's family, and you can't emotionally accept that it didn't happen for no other reason than bad luck. People blame the mother, their family, anyone. And then you have the perfect scapegoat, vaccines. People react illogically when they are hurt.",
"The people spewing lies like this are surprisingly in line with a certain president.",
"Thanks. Holy shit this is interesting",
"No, and most people should not be using those, because they increase antibiotic resistance, and killing your natural skin flora actually increases your chance of infection.",
"Yes they're all fuckwits, and of course people that are literally saying that are saying it.\n\nBut it's not implied simply by being an anti-vaxxer in general.\n\n",
"Have you seen The Seventh Seal? It’s all about the silence of God in the face of great loss.",
"Well the economy climbed the day he was elected due to businesses investing in companies and such so the tycoons did seem to have faith in him and has paid off. \n\nhttps://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/world/asia_pacific/south-korean-president-credits-trump-with-bringing-north-korea-to-the-table/2018/01/10/ae0ee266-f606-11e7-91af-31ac729add94_story.html\n\nSource of the SK thing\n\n\nRape accusations are always iffy. Look at Al Franken. People defended him just because he was dem, even gross Lena Dunham who said women never lie about rape. I mean the whole grab em by the pussy thing was in bad taste but it struck me as just hyping himself up (not that far fetched) or the fact he said they let him which implies consent i guess.\n\n\nI mean every person is racist to some degree unfortunately, but as far as outright hate and discrimination, i don't see it from him.\n\n\nWith the shithole thing, i see that as a non-issue too. It isn't wrong to say that because it's true. I'm just annoyed people are making it about race when it has zero part of the reason countries can suck.\n\n\nRussia has been said to have been overhyped and lied about by some and others are apparently guilty. But you arent your brothers keeper, so i don't see Trump being responsible. Plus, i don't see the issue with talking to foreign officials if money isnt being brought to the table anyways.\n",
"I don't know that anyone is arguing that it shouldn't be an option. ",
"Being dead isn't going to make the line go faster. ",
"Meaning the dad might also be on the end of spectrum also.",
"It certainly speaks to the stigma that surrounds mental health and the autistic spectrum. Full disclosure, I work with vaccines and to date have not contracted a vaccine preventable illness that could either kill me or impose a huge and unnecessary strain on the health Care system (I am from Canada).\nI will never understand how people can be against vaccines for their kids when they were most likely immunized as children and miraculously survived, brains (partially) intact.",
"So, 3 years ago was when the change happened? ",
"I'd say education is better. Education and living conditions. Uneducated (and usually poor) people tend to have more kids even in today's world. Give them a good living and they'll start enjoying more in life than just fucking and also they'll be more aware about what they want in life for their kids ... so the problem goes away by itself. \n\nAnd no, that plant wasn't a contraceptive per se. Close, but not really.",
"Unfortunately I've seen too many anti-vaxxers acknowledge that some may die because of their thinking with a level of indifference that is horrifying. \n\nYes, many of them are just scared and confused parents with a distrust of institutions for whatever reason.\n\nHowever, there are some that know what can happen when kids get these diseases and they simply don't care. They *know* it won't be their kid because they know all the alt medicine tricks. ",
"Jesus is actually pretty awesome.\n\nWhat most Redditors (including myself) don't like are the fake \"Christians\" who do horrible things in his name.\n\nDisclaimer: I'm non-religious, but went to a Catholic high school. I'm thankful that they were really good about teaching us the good sides of Christianity without ever being hateful pricks like the ones you hear about these days.",
"No, not really",
"She always does. She is a keeper :)",
"Don't worry, I have some gold Lego treasure pieces on the living room floor, so I'm good. ",
"did they see a clown in a sewer? cause that is usually what causes this.",
"I read this as vacation lol time to learn words send rips to the kids ",
"Unless you are an antivaxxer and then you need to google diseases.",
"Mine was our gym teacher, who fancied himself similar to a navy seal trainer, talking about how all 4 of his beautiful adult daughters are definitely virgins, and turning around to face away from the class every time he said “virgin” so he didn’t make anyone who wasn’t a virgin feel ashamed. We watched videos about why you’ll die if you get an STI, and then we watched navy seal training videos.",
"I’m sorry you had a hard time conceiving, it was likely very stressful.\n\nBut (I’m sorry), your experience is a bit of an echo chamber type thing. Because you had to deal with infertility issues, you were more aware of it and therefore will believe it to be more common than it really is.\n\nAnother factor is that in the past, people started families at a younger age, when it is typically easier to conceive.\n\nSo while your experience is true for modern times, it is not true for the late 1800s.\n\nI suspect you know this (and you’re referring to modern times anyway), it just didn’t come across that way in your comment.",
"To be fair i'm pretty sure this was in the army back in the day.",
"My granddads generation born 1892 to 1907 got lucky 4 out of 6 made it to adulthood, they were not the right age too young for ww1 and too old for ww2, the one that wasn't too young was a woman, no Spanish Flu, and lived to be 94, 99, 99, and 105. \n\n> It was normal then. \n\nEspecially on farms. ",
"I am not a historian, but I would guess that there are several reasons for having lots of kids back then... Birth control was obviously less available and effective the further back you go; and people didn't have Netflix to occupy themselves when the sun set. Also, people with family-business labour jobs like farmers would be better off with 10 kids helping run the farm instead of one... ",
"Just cause you weren't having sex doesn't mean everyone else was lame.",
"Or they aborted because they are being good parents to their existing kids, by recognizing that the financial and health strain from having another kid would negatively impact their family. Realizing that actions have consequences and making tough decisions accordingly sure sounds like being a GOOD parent to me.\n\nAlmost \n[\nsixty percent](https://www.guttmacher.org/fact-sheet/induced-abortion-united-states) of women who have had abortions, have already had at least one other kid.\n\nThe reasons patients gave for having an abortion underscored their understanding of the responsibilities of parenthood and family life. The three most common reasons—each cited by three-fourths of patients—were concern for or responsibility to other individuals; the inability to afford raising a child; and the belief that having a baby would interfere with work, school or the ability to care for dependents. Half said they did not want to be a single parent or were having problems with their husband or partner. \n",
"The title had me really confused lol, the title \"This is what happened when vaccination wasn't an option.\" makes it sound like this is when vaccinations were mandatory and everybody died.",
"True, but you also don't need to stand in it anymore.",
"rip",
"Was vaccination a requirement that killed all of these people?",
"Damn that poor father. Three daughters and wife all die before his final day. Really puts into perspective how lucky we all are to be around.\n\nEdit: Im a damn fool and didn't look at when they were born.",
"Cool, thanks. \n\n",
"“I remember when I was with Special Forces. Seems a thousand centuries ago. We went into a camp to inoculate the children. We left the camp after we had inoculated the children for Polio, and this old man came running after us, and he was crying. He couldn't see. We went back there, and they had come and hacked off every inoculated arm. There they were in a pile. A pile of little arms. And I remember ... I ... I ... I cried. ”",
"$100 that his daughters were slingin dong like crazy.",
"That wouldn't include getting dressed BEFORE it's actually time to go, would it?",
"> It’s not any different than seat belt/car seat laws for kids.\n\nIt's very different. For one, not following seatbelt or carseat laws results in a fine, I imagine. The state does not come and physically force you to strap your kid into a carseat at gunpoint. \n\n&nbsp;\n\nBut most of all, there's a huge difference between forcing someone to do something external, and forcing someone to put something in their body. Massive, enormous difference.",
"I think you underestimate how bad pulling out is at preventing pregnancy.",
"Very few people actually want antivaxxers to die or get their \"just desserts\". This is simply an example of how life was before vaccines.",
"Well, they are still doing everything in their power to bring the world back to this. That's just not what they think they are doing.",
"There is a sub that wants to save our species. Please help and visit r/Sapienism for more.",
"Not the person you're asking, but something I've found about depression is that you don't get better until you decide you want to be better. You can't force someone to get help if you want it to be effective. Maybe letting him know the gravity of the situation could help? I don't know if you've talked to him about the effect his untreated depression is having on your marriage, but now might be the time to do so. I hope things work out for the best and he gets the help he needs!",
"That's easy to do when you have the autism /s\n\nI actually learned how to do it at some point. It's a cool party trick. Can't remember how to do it now...",
"I love old photos like this. Recently my mom showed me this one of [my great grandpa.](http://i.imgur.com/HvzwVaQ.jpg) He is the youngest child in the middle. I had it colorized on reddit and this is the [result](https://i.imgur.com/SZMg1Xv.jpg).\n",
"What is this, a crossover episode?",
"I originally read this as \"This is what happened when vacations weren't an option.\"\n\nStill slightly made sense.",
"It's on the internet so it must be true.",
"turn that frown upside down...",
"That is so dumb. Think about what you just said",
"I don't have autism (I think?) but I am interested in languages.. Once I stop being lazy and getting distracted (ADHD,) I'll continue learning Korean.. one of these days..",
"I can prove scientists made the vaccine though.",
"That’s also what happens when you bathe in feces water",
"> As for whether having a dead child or a child with autism is better, it's a touchy subject that is too big to be discussed as an offtopic.\n\nAsk literally any parent of a child with autism and I bet you'll get near consensus. Anyone not in that category hardly has a worthwhile opinion.",
"Many didn't. Those diseases have killed and crippled millions.",
"Het atleast god gave them a rest on sunday",
"Fuck anti vaxxers. \n\nThey'll be the death of all of us. ",
"bingo as are most things that we vaccinate against. soap also doesn't really help with things that can be spread by airborne transmission, like you know diphtheria. ",
"Build a straw man much?",
"I have an autistic friend and he uses toothpaste, so it must be the cause. ",
"Women, the weaker sex?",
"Adding on to this, I think it's important to keep in mind that there's a distinction between autism as a whole and the common disabilities and disorders that frequently accompany autism. Often, the low-functioning characteristics tend to overshadow other aspects.\n\nI'm autistic myself, and I wouldn't change myself if I could, but my experience is wildly different from other people on the spectrum. I would love to see treatment and therapies for individuals with profoundly debilitating symptoms like the sensory sensitivities, language processing, seizures, etc. Keep in mind that those in need of lifelong care don't necessarily need that care due to autism itself, but from other related conditions. There are a number of genetic factors that can cause autism, and many forms do involve some significant disabilities, and I think those forms make life very difficult for all involved. Other forms, however, can be associated with higher than average intelligence, creativity, and other positive aspects, and I cannot agree that these latter types would be considered a worse way to live than a neurotypical life.\n\nI have little doubt that if my mom could go back and choose, she wouldn't want me to be autistic. It's still a pretty new discussion in my family as I was never diagnosed as a child (late 20s now), so she still expresses a lot of stigma against it, and I often get the feeling that she's still mourning the 'normal' child she could have had instead of me, or maybe a version of me without autism. But my experiences with autism have shaped who I am, and despite the challenges, I would rather be who I am now, and I think she's starting to come around to understanding why I feel that way. Afterall, there are some influential individuals in our history who were likely autistic, like Isaac Newton, Thomas Jefferson, and Albert Einstein, and it's not farfetched to say that some of their greatest strengths and contributions to the world would have been directly informed by their autism.",
"The last paragraph is agreeing with what i said though?",
"3 year old twins as the last..Fucking classic. I’m 28 year guy with a fraternal twin brother. God speed. My mom is also a twin and her mother is a twin. Good luck with twin grandkids ",
"And this is what is happening today: http://vaxxter.com/teenage-vaccine-injured-child-passes-away\n\nThe science is settled, right? There is no way to improve the safety of vaccines so let's pretend they can't get any better. Since drug companies by law can't get sued for unsafe vaccines, this will never change and thousands more will die needlessly.\n",
"But muh autism",
"That is a self-centered and ultimately futile purpose.\n\n",
"hey cool made up statistics!\n\ni think your statement is 10% accurate",
"/s ?",
"Who wants to bet u/pump_the_brakes_son believes some liberal overlords tweeted this from Trumps account? ",
"How could anyone be religious after this? God basically just let your whole family die in 1 week, and not from an instant death like a car crash either. Am I taking crazy pills?",
"YEA I know, this is every year",
"But...? Wait. Even then, an abortion at the end of a pregnancy isn't a thing. Anywhere. What the fuck was this knob weasel trying to say?",
"Vaccines are good and bad. end of story. No black or white here people. ",
"Indian here. there is hardly any anti vaccination movement because growing up everyone has seen that one kid walking with crutches because of polio.",
">The man has gotten the economy to the highest point it has ever been. He has also regained support from allies who were toying with the notion of siding with other nations instead. He somehow got North Korea to check itself. Got Japan to agree to use their missile defenses for missiles going towards america when they only were to use it if a threat were towards japan. He has unintentionally caused shitty cultures such as Hollywood and the MSM to fold onto itself and eat itself alive. He made it possible to beat the most horrid woman in all of existence. Wikileaks exposed how corrupt and evil the DNC was. The modern left is the most hateful and vile group i've ever witnessed in america. He actually seems to care about the nature of inner city black neighborhoods and has regularly talked with civil rights leaders and not rappers and such like Obama. He took a pay cut and extreme amounts of abuse just to be president and help people. On an askreddit thread asking people who worked for trump how he was, they all had great things to say about him. Many more things but i'm running out pf space.\n\nYou're not running out of space. You had 9000 more characters you could have used. I was also hoping for more personal reasons for liking him. Why do you like him personally?\n\n>I like him, albeit i didnt at first, but he words things too poorly and seems kind of impersonal.\n\nWhy didn't you like him at first? If you like him now, why does his Twitter need to go? Is he saying things you don't like?\n\n>They spam tweets the second the tweet is up, and act as if they're great people when that isnt the case. They don't bring arguments, only threats and insults. It's just as cringy as people posting those, what i call \"old people memes\" on dem twitter feeds.\n\nBut what about the people that do bring arguments instead of threats/insults? Do you think it's appropriate that people be heard when they have a grievance with the POTUS's official statements and policies? \n\nThanks for your time to give me your thoughts.",
"The Others",
"Mlmn",
"Lol nice, bring out the extreme fringe cases of people who have allergies to specific ingredients who would have an allergic reaction. Obviously I'm telling people with allergies to a specific thing to inject that thing into their bodies and not talking about the literal monsters that anti-vaccers are.",
"So, how is saying \"i know someone who was murdered over ____\" different than what i said? You can have an agenda all you want, but denying it makes you look bad.",
"Where is this graveyard=",
"He is saying that nineteenth century mothers are r/gatekeeping you're closer to r/iamverysmart",
"Dr. Susanne Humphreys, a popular Anti-Vax Doctor, wrote on FB that anti-vaxxers shouldn't worry about the immunocompromised because something will eventually get them anyway. So why expose your kids to the danger of the MMR vaccine for their sake?",
"> If you misrepresent people's views\n\nIt's not exactly a misrepresentation of their views. They may not explicitly hold this view, but it is nonetheless a logical consequence of believing that vaccines cause autism and for that reason should not be administered.",
"Before this lifetime? Christians don't believe in reincarnation, you know.",
"On what planet is Reddit right-wing.\n\nNinety percent of all political posts from everywhere on the planet that make it to reddit are shitting on Trump, and have done so since before he even announced formal candidacy.\n\nIf a subreddit here gets viewed as too \"right wing\" it literally gets blacklisted, the posters get shadowbanned, and life goes on.\n\nI can't stand the clown, but in what actual universe do you live in that Reddit isn't massive liberal sanctuary.\n\nHave you ever seen 4chan.\n\nAre you even aware of what Stormfront is.\n\nPlease get some context before you start saying off the wall shit. You make the sensible left-wingers look bad for your ignorance. \n\n\n**Unless that was sarcasm, and I'm an absolute hooligan with my foot in my mouth. In that case I apologize.**\n",
"I see what you meant dude, fuck.",
"I don't trust experts and scientists from the get go, so you can guess my answer. I'm more of a research guy. I've actually researched my own rare illness (Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome) and managed to find somewhat reliable treatment for it myself, despite docs in my country not even believing my illness exists. Even if someone believed it, it still requires custom treatment, which nobody will give me out of fear for legal repercussions. So yeah, I'm not too keen on trusting docs simply because they can't help me.\n\nI'm definitely not telling anyone to do the same. Let everyone do what they believe is best for them.",
"Not who you asked to reply, but have pulled myself out of the same circumstances. I hate speaking to therapists, my strength of will and stubbornness just don't let me relax. But I finally did, and talked myself into it knowing that this person didn't know my friends, wasn't going to talk to them, wasn't going to judge me. It was helpful to just let things out when I knew it wouldn't matter to the world I'd built up around me so much. But then I needed space also, I pulled back hard from everything. Some things helped, meds helped until I got to a point where I could recognize that what they did to me wasn't me; because anything you start is a treatment, not permanent. Time truly is the healer of all things, it's just what goes on while time passes that destroys so much of you and everyone around you. It'll be 4 years since I lost my son come late June, and I think this year i can honestly say I finally feel like I'm the person I need to be again.",
"If I remember correctly, it is a correlation without causation thing. Diagnoses of autism increased over some period where vaccinations in children also increased. The issue is that the increase in autism and related diagnoses was simply because more people were diagnosed - previously most of these sorts of people would have been left undiagnosed. ",
"Even with socialized health care I don't think I'd want that many people in my house.",
"Luckily you don't have to.",
"That's tragic, and reminds me of how privileged we are tofay. I see a lot of those in the Assistens Kirkegaard in Copenhagen, Denmark, was this picture taken there?",
"Yes, diptheria. Its on the sign next to the names.",
"*the reduction of anti-vaxxers beliefs to a joke about autism is why they will never try to listen or go along* I think this is a good point - many people assume those who are against vaccinations are just dumb, when in reality, a lot of them have thought long and hard about their reasoning for being against vaccinations. Does that make them right? No. Will mocking them make them change their mind? Probably not. A joke here and there is one thing, but I see a lot of \"debate\" about vaccinations reduced to mud-slinging and makes those against vaccinations more likely to retreat and hold fast to their beliefs, rather than discuss it in the open. ",
"It's only \"unknown\" if you are a willfully ignorant moron.",
"that would be correct.",
"Isn't that ultimately the purpose of most religions? Just in their version you have an eternal life in the afterlife and in my version you do it on earth. ",
"Diphtheria is a bacteria though, and that's what they died of",
"Is that a \"Today I Learned\" plaque next to it?",
"Yeah, the antivaxxers still won't care. I think it's going to take a really serious outbreak of mumps or smallpox or a polio comeback before they realize the damage they're causing. ",
"Advocating for anti-vaccination is advocating for the death of children. There is no distinction, that is what they're asking for.",
"I offered couples counseling or separation. I know he needs individual but I wanted to start somewhere and God knows I’m not perfect. He chose separation and is talking about living out of a tent. ",
"So it's true; women do live longer.",
"I can sympathize. Someone I went to High School with, who I thought was fairly intelligent, had her daughter vaccinated a couple years ago.\n\nThe next morning, she's upset and posting on Facebook about how her infant daughter was \"up all night crying and fussing\" and how afraid she was that she'd \"caught autism\".\n\nI posted a very flat and short post pointing out vaccines don't cause autism and that if she's concerned she should always talk to her pediatrician. Thankfully everyone else posting said the same thing, because god knows I'd have gone nuclear if people were encouraging her panic. ",
"Congratulations!!! ",
"Correct. Vaccines are pretty great. Not dying due to preventable disease is the tits.",
"According to a site called [geni.com](https://www.geni.com/people/Emilie-Laurette-Larsen/6000000025720604529) Emilie and Lars had 15 children (!) and at least one of them lived to the age of 90, and several of them born after 1903. \nThey have not given it up. ",
"Well there certainly aren't any of those in the world",
"the govt forcing to do something only works *because that person lacks the responsibility to do it themselves*\n\nwe're not talking abot wearing the right clothes or supporting the right political candidate, we're talking about *not doing something which can kill innocent people*\n\nin your example, what about stopping someone drunk driving? according to you that is antifreedom\n\nbut forcing someone to not drive drunk is not antifreedom\n\n*killing someone because you're an irresponsible drunk asshole is antifreedom*\n\nyou have things backwards\n",
"What was the point then? Is making it to your birthday the year you die any special?\n\nI mean, if baby 1 would be born December 31st 2016 and baby 2 January 1st 2017 and tomorrow they both die, would it be relevant that baby 2 had its birthday this year while baby 1 didn't? It just seems like something very arbitrary to say.",
"ditto - and my thoughts got dark, quick. I thought *\"So did the mother snap and off them all?\"*",
"Go soapbox elsewhere. This is /r/pics, not T_D.",
"Alright now I get this is terrible and all that, but does this not remind anyone else of Eric Andres monologue? “Woke up had diphtheria... Hannibal?”?",
"We need to frame our discussion with them in a way that might get through to them. Maybe something like:\n\n\"You know those people who E-mail you saying that some Nigerian prince has died and they want you to help them get $50 million out of the country? Would you help them out?\"\n\n\"Of course not, they're scammers!\"\n\n\"The guy who said that vaccines cause autism was also a scammer. He made up the research so that he could get money and fame. Why are you listening to the sort of people who want to rip you off?\"\n\nMaybe that would get through to them. This entire situation is such a perfect example of how insidious bad information is and how hard it can be to get rid of it.\n\nOf course, anti-vaxxers are also the sort who would probably say \"What Nigerian Prince? We should help them out and get the money!\"",
"Why is being autistic worse than death? ",
"But don’t worry, they don’t have autism ",
">Execute\n\nI think the diphtheria already did that.",
"Damn that sucks. The vaccine was discovered 20 years prior to that year, as well.",
"> This can block the airway and create a barking cough\n\nMy dog let one out this morning :((",
"Yeah. I still fear that thanks to those images",
"Missing instructions. Combed hair. Send help. ",
"Well the sign says it was from Diptheria, which is prevented now by a vaccine. Sooooo. . .",
"On the holy day too",
">I'm pro-vax, but \n\nNot pro-vax, then.",
"Eh, it's all right. I mean, the weather is not that great in my area today, but yesterday it was a wonderfully crispy and sunny day.",
"Thanks for the reply. This was a helpful perspective. ",
"Your family was ridiculously good looking. ",
"Rough couple of days for the Larsens",
"...Hannibal?",
"You mean... Your mom gave you one vaccination, you got autism, and then she stopped vaccinating you. \n\n/s\n",
"No. The purpose of most religions is to provide a framework of social rules that create social harmony.\n\n...my point is that today, given everything we know, we can do better. ...but there's no reason to collapse inward on some self-centered ideology of personal longevity.",
"But they also turn frogs gay.",
"When you find out the reason you've never been vacced is because you're mum believes in vac autism ",
"you're talking about ignorance\n\nvaccines don't hurt anyone, except a few with specific medical conditions, who are exempt and should be exempt\n\nanyone else is just a moron spreading uneducated fear\n",
"Word. That's crazy.",
"I've spent the past 4 hours becoming more enraged reading anti vaccine fb posts and profiles. People comparing measles to the common cold, quotes and statistics taken out of context and some mad idea of detoxing babies after they have had vaccinations. They claim western medicine is killing their babies. They all need to live on an island where they can trade chiropractic detox treatment for medicinal wind chimes and make $$££¥¥€€ doing it.",
"TIL means today I learned. The rest is gibberish",
"Jackpot!",
"Oh no of course not all anti-vaxxers, I mean the anti-vaxxers who believe shit like that\nMost of them don't even take the vaccines-cause-autism route anymore, I was just referring to the ones who do (specifically the ones who believe vaccines could prevent disease but also cause autism, and most vaccines-cause-autism folk I've seen have had this mindset)",
"A better comment",
"That's your source...some website any cunt could slap together, not the reams and reams of peer reviewed paper after peer reviewed paper that say that's all bollix?\n\nYea - I'm going to stick with my previous assessment. I'm sorry for your kids and I hope they're not in the 1/10,000 cases of those who die of mumps, the 5/100,000 cases of those who end up deaf, if you have girls I hope they're not in the 25% incidence of spontaneous abortion if contracted while pregnant, or they're not among the 89,780 mostly kids under 5 who die each year of measles, or are among the 22,361 cases of rubella which can lead to congenital rubella syndrome and death of the fetus. You're a terrible and irresponsible parent and should be ashamed of yourself.",
"Not only is that true, it also puts much more parents being emotionally absent back then into perspective. Do you want to fall in love with your children that much when there is maybe a 30% chance they are going to see their 18th birthday?\n\nThe world was hard and you better raised your child accordingly.",
"false conclusion.",
"Must have been before \"thoughts and prayers\" was a thing",
"That's called anarchy.\n\nAt some point, you'll need to be able to trust some expertise, or you're left to do everything on your own.\n\nIt's dangerous to be telling folks stuff that, because that's how we got to the \"my ignorance is as good as your knowledge\" society.",
"F",
"At the same time, let’s not make it out to be that our immune systems need vaccines to function. A little thing called proper sanitation practices improved lifespan too. ",
"Oh wait, it's the daily reddit \"Why can't I spew my bullshit and not get called out for it\" poster",
"To be fair, This is what happens in the 1800's when vaccination isn't available.",
"The point was the ages posted before in a post (13 and 6) were inccorrect since they died before their birthdays.",
"They also cut down on static electricity build-up!",
"I can't even comprehend the pain those parents must've felt... Five children lost in 4 days, holy hell...",
"There's a reason democracy has also been called the \"tyranny of the majority.\" Would taking the rights away from any minority by popular vote not make it tyrannical?",
"I love my children, but I can imagine a thousand situations where I might come to wish they'd never been born. Child sex killer, fratricide, false allegations of sexual abuse, 24 hour care with no prospect of remit or gratitude. etc.",
"Yea there is no way that's correct lol \n\n/u/c08855c49 spewing wildly innacurate facts ",
">hope you get the letter and\n\nI pray you can make it better down here ...",
"Right? My great grandfather had polio around 1900 or so. gave him a limp for the rest of his life. My mom remembers having measles in the 60s. It wasn’t long ago at all. ",
"My daughter has autism and seen posts like this really encourage me. Thanks for the comment and the chuckle. And the translation! ",
"In what way? Death rates from viruses are low because people vaccinate if people dont vaccinate because they fear autism, then those diseases come back. ",
"I probably won't have children but all I want to say is \"Listen here you little shit\" when they get sassy. ",
"Hvad fanden var det lige du sagde omkring mig, din lille tæve? Du skal lige have at vide at jeg graduerede i toppen af frømandskorpset, og jeg har været involveret i adskillige hemmelige angreb på Al-Quaeda, og jeg har over trehundrede bekræftede drab. Jeg er trænet i guerilla krigsførelse, og jeg er den bedste snigskytte i hele Forsvaret. For mig er du ikke andet end bare endnu en skydeskive. Jeg vil satanedme udrydde dig på en måde, som aldrig før er blevet set på denne jord, mærk mine fucking ord. Tror du virkelig du kan slippe afsted med at sige sådan noget lort til mig over internettet? Tro om igen, skiderik. Mens vi snakker så er jeg i gang med at kontakte mit hemmelige netværk af spioner rundt om i Danmark og din IP-adresse spores lige nu, så gør dig klar på stormen, maddike. Stormen der udrydder den ynkelige lille ting du kalder dit liv. Du er fandme død, knægt. Jeg kan være hvor som helst, når som helst, og jeg kan dræbe dig på over syvhundrede måder, og det er bare med mine bare hænder. Ikke blot er jeg trænet i ubevæbnet kamp i udførlig grad, men jeg har også adgang til hele den danske flådes arsenal og jeg vil bruge det i dets fulde omfang til at vaske din elendige røv af kontinentet, din lille skid. Hvis bare du havde vidst hvad for en ugudelig straf din lille ”smarte” kommentar ville bringe ned over hovedet på dig, så havde du måske holdt din fucking kæft. Men du kunne ikke, du gjorde det ikke, og nu betaler du så prisen, din satans kraftidiot. Jeg vil skide raseri over det hele på dig og du vil drukne i det. Du er fucking død, sønnike.",
"Does your new toilet spray your bum bum with water?",
"Yeah someone else mentioned that their infant under 5 mortality rate is half that of the U.S",
"I scream \n\nYou scream\n\nWe all scream\n\nFor vaccine ",
"i can see this is going over your head. since you can't soap the air anti-bacterial soap wouldn't have prevented their deaths or the spread of this disease. so it wouldn't work because anti-bacterial soap has the same effect on airborne bugs as it does viruses.\n\nlets have a different fun discussion. lets discuss anti-biotic resistance and the role anti-bacterial soap plays in it. https://www.asm.org/index.php/general-science-blog/item/5921-antibiotic-resistance-soap-and-false-advertising",
"And some of the umbrellas have massive holes in them (as in no vaccine is 100% effective). Those without a vaccination are not just putting themselves in danger, they put us all in danger.",
"> Spanish flu killed entire towns full of people.\n\nOr aspirin toxicity. There is debate around that.",
"It’s not child abuse, that’s ridiculous. I’m all for Vaccs, but I have a problem with anyone declaring child abuse against an individual who chooses to raise their child 100% naturally. Ethically, I cannot get onboard with that. In fact I’d go so far as to say its more irresponsible and unethical to have children when your family has a known history of disease than to forego vaccinations. Does breast cancer run in your family? And you’re still having a little girl? How is that any more responsible than raising a child and refusing to vaccinate them? Purely playing devils advocate here",
"For 99.99% of humanity's history having more kids was the only option to beat the odds. \n\nIn the modern world we turned this biological need to have kids/sex into fun...because infant mortality and infant to maturity rate is so good \"almost\" everyone survives.\n\nWorld population became a problem only in the past 100 years, and we poluted and fucked up the earth like probably never before in our 200k year existence.\n\nOur instincts are still here, and hey, it's fun to have them and take advantage of them. It serves us now and the species going forward. Having a ton of kids now it's just not the way to go anymore and no one had to impose this on the more advanced countries, it sort of self regulated...",
"I'm not yet 60, but our house was under quarantine in the early 60's, when we all had scarlet fever. Nine people. Apparently Dad couldn't go to work. School text books were fumigated. A public health nurse came to the house, and she told my mother to wash down all the walls. Mom said \"no way\". She had no time to do that when she had 7 sick kids under the age of 10.\n \nWe all survived. Thankfully we weren't born in the 1800's.\n",
"Anti-vaxxers take note! Please, for the love of all our children, take lots of notes!",
"I really havent seen a vaccine stop any disease. Tell me one story where someone was about to get the flu and the flu vaccine stopped it. /s",
"yeah that i love freedom\n\nreal freedom\n\ni don't confuse freedom with being an irresponsible douchebag\n\nis a drunk driver exercising his freedom?\n\nwhen the cops pull him over are they anti-freedom?\n\nthink about it, you have your wires crossed",
"In most cases when someone is a danger to society we have no problem forcing them to go to jail or get treatment, so why should this be any different?",
"There were zero cases of diphtheria in the United States in 2015. Thank you vaccination!",
"I remember my grandmother telling me about her siblings that never made it:\n\nShe was born in a mining town in northern Spain in the 1920s. She was the eldest of 9 born, only 4 made it to adulthood. She was a teenager during the Spanish Civil War and lived through famines and epidemics. As the oldest she had to help care for all the young kids, she says she felt like she was losing her own children every time one of her younger siblings died.",
"While tragic, I wouldn't exactly trust anything with the URL \"vaxxter.com\"\n\n\nPlus...what's worse, having one child die or all your children die?",
"He never said next, he said that year. Good try making light of it.",
"These are the 5 children that died before they turned 7 :(\n\nNot including the stillborn. :((",
"they both provide lists of what might be contained and use broad terms, definitely shouldn't be considered \"all the contents\" ",
"That's going to make me cry because that's really nice.",
"The problem is that cognitive dissonance won't allow them to admit they're wrong. They'll say that the Nigerian Prince allegory isn't accurate and that they're supporting a martyr who the government and big pharma wants to censor. I've heard the argument \"if doctors are arguing against it so hard, it must be right!\"\n\nThese people are anti-science and anti-rationality. Anything that doesn't support their world view, even if it's hypocritical to their other positions, will be thrown out. It's an education and ignorance issue. \n\n",
"I didn't answer your question because it's irrelevant.",
"Wait...what? I'm going to need you to elaborate on the dick smashing.",
"If it's actual policies then yeah, all for it. But when people do nothing but name call and hope for assassination and \"body shame\" which they're oh so against, it's just ruining the hope for debate.\n\n\nHis twitter is just, not professional. I mean I wish people allowed politicians to act like humans (the covfefe thing and how he owned it was hilarious) but in today's \"two scoops of ice cream!?\" world, it's just giving the crazies easy ammo.\n\n\nI liked how the guy doesn't let anyone intimidate him. Plus he seems to actually care for Americans. He used common sense instead of emotion in things regarding immigration and putting citizens first.",
"Dunno, taking flu shots is not even a thing in finland, they only suggest shots for people in the risk groups (elderly, kids, pregnant, etc). If you are not part of the groups it actually costs to take the shot afaik.",
"Really? Over a toilet? That's a 15 minute job. How does that ruin a weekend?",
"do you have a sense of how the immune system develops or are you just saying things based on what seems true in your gut",
"Same happened to half of the kids my grand mother grew up with. She said it was quite common and nothing special",
"they're morons\n\npridefully ignorant losers whose idiocy will kill someone you love if they are not stopped\n\ntheir ignorance is a public health threat\n",
"But that one discredited study says that it can possibly cause autism, which is way worse than death!",
"A Danish newspaper [wrote an article about the person](http://www.dagens.dk/indland/ulrik-advarer-med-uhyggeligt-billede-fra-dansk-kirkegaard-det-er-vaerd-taenke-over) who photographed this image. Here is a Google Translation:\n\n**Ulrik warns with a scary picture from the Danish cemetery: 'It's worth thinking about'**\n\nUlrik Gerdes and his family were on their way to gold wedding ceremony when they had taken the trip from Taulov to Give in Jutland in early August.\n\nBut when Ulrik Gerdes, his wife and two children were early on it, they decided to visit a family graveyard on the road.\n\n\"We were well in advance, so Lisbeth (Ulrik's wife, red.) Suggested we drove a dirt around Vester Kirke to see her grandparents' graveyard,\" explains Ulrik Gerdes, 63.\n\nIn the graveyard , he accidentally saw a grave, who subsequently made a great impression of Ulrik Gerdes, who worked as a general practitioner at the Center for Quality in Middelfart.\n\n“I watched a gravestone for five children as we were heading out of the cemetery, and saw the little memory plate explaining their tragic destiny during a diphtheria epidemic in 1903”, explains the surgeon who subsequently shared a picture of the grave on both Twitter and Facebook.\n\nOn the white tombstone you can read how a family in 1903 lost a total of five children in just four days to the bacterial disease diphtheria, which was last found in Denmark in December 1998.\n\nFor Ulrik Gerdes, the tombstone was not just a reminder of how harsh life could be in the old day, but also a clear picture of how important it is to vaccinate its children.\n\nThat's why he wrote in a text for his picture:\n\n“A tragic reminder from 1903 to anti-vaccination people in 2017. Five siblings who died of diphtheria in 4 days.”\n\nUlrik Gerdes himself believes that tangible arguments like the harsh tombstone are important to include in the ongoing debate on vaccination of children.\n\n“History shows how terrible conditions could be in the old days before vaccination against diphtheria. It is worth remembering. Especially for people here in 2017, who may not know how many children who died earlier because of infectious diseases, which are hardly anymore - just because we have some effective vaccination programs”, he explains.\n\nAlthough more and more Danes in these years question the benefits of vaccinating their children, Ulrik Gerdes believes that it is still a crucial necessity.\n\n\"People have found many ingenious things over time, and vaccinations belong in the top 10 category for two reasons,\" he explains and elaborates:\n\n\"The first is because it's crazy to train people's immune system with harmless parts of microorganisms, so the system runs out of action quickly and kills dangerous microorganisms, if infected with them, it sounds.\n\n“And number two: Vaccines make it impossible for dangerous microorganisms to spread between humans and create deadly epidemics”, explains Ulrik Gerdes, fearing that we risk creating epidemics as in the old days if the frequency of childhood vaccinations is falling.\n\nSince Ulrik Gerdes shared the image on social media on August 5th, he has received some reactions, most of whom have been positive.\n\nAt the same time, his speech has been divided thousands of times as input into the important debate on vaccination of children.",
"Thank modern medicine for vaccination. ",
"I kept reading the title as \"vacation\" and was very, very confused.",
"Of course, I apologize for not making it more clear as I wasn't referring to cases like yours and targeting anyone on the spectrum, but cases where it's debilitating for the whole family, let alone for the person that has autism. I agree with everything you've said.",
"Did you highlight how far you managed to read?",
"It sounds awful when I say it but when fatality rates are high and kids die much, much more often than now, people kind of build that into their emotional preparation of raising kids. To put it more bluntly, they expect some die, they give birth to more. \n\nUnlike now, we only have a couple of kids and we expect all of them grow up healthily (thanks for medicines, vaccines and technological advancement). so losing one kid is extremely painful for a parent. ",
"You can't catch the autism if you are dead.",
"> all people.\n\nDepends how you define efficacy.\n\nIf someone can't get vaccinated, they still need vaccinations via herd immunity.\n\nYou're wrong. Stop spreading misinformation.",
"I laughed and then immediately felt bad.",
"Thank you! Made up statistics are my specialty!\n\n",
"When I hear about someone being pregnant, I smile and say congratulations, but mentally, I am shrugging my shoulders \"whatever\"\n\nThey will learn their lesson after multiple miscarriages not to go tell everybody when the pregnancy test comes up positive.\n\nIt happens all the time.",
"People did not have sex at 12 even though I get it’s not the point.",
"That's one way to get a bad case of the Mondays.",
"First of all, take care of yourself. Seek some kind of counseling, without him, for your own grief and for your marriage. Then, you might see if his male friends will talk with him about his grief. I have heard that happens more easily over projects, like fixing a car or building something. But keep yourself healthy, no matter what.",
"What a piece of shit.\n\nHow much do you want to bet Mr Cyber Jr is fully vaccinated.\n\nFucking fat cunt",
"Can I have your stuff?",
"I feel rested and relaxed! Thank you vacations!",
"“YOU LOSE. GOOD DAY.”",
"Oh definitely worth getting a flu shot, the flu can be very nasty like it is this year and it's better to be safe then sorry. sometimes it doesn't work very effectively but that's just due to the nature of how quickly it changes.",
"This should be higher up! Hahaha",
"This is also why average age was low in the olden days. If you lived to be 40, odds were almost the same as today that you reached 70.",
"this is heartbreaking.",
"So close... yes birth control methods have existed since ancient times (pulling out being the least effective of the ones I know). Pennyweather tea, intestine and animal skin condoms, other various plant methods to induce a period or end a pregnancy. Not 99% effective but I'd take 60-70% in 1826 with such high child birth mortality. Problem is if you lived in a conservative religious household at this time it would have probably been considered witchcraft, along with lots of other herbal remedy holdovers from antiquity.\n\nhttp://mentalfloss.com/article/83685/9-forms-birth-control-used-ancient-world\n\nNot the best source but a nicely configured list.",
"Yeah.... no. You know how I can tell you don't have kids? Re-read that fucking shit.\n\nI have 2. If child one had an adverse reaction to a vaccine that left her permanently injured, would I take number 2 in there and say \"fuck it Doc, I want to go 2 for 2!\"?\n\nYou people are fucking sick.",
"Your wife is adorable!",
"Dick on table, big hammer, SMASH SMASH SUHMASH! Pee and infection dribbles out. Guy is passed out on the floor. ",
"Hey, I was also consumed with that kind of existential dread and fear of death at that age, and, personally, conflicting narratives about the existence of an afterlife kind of fucked me up. It meant I had to deal with the same fear all over again later as I realized I didn’t believe that heaven was real. I’m not saying that there’s necessarily a better way to deal with this, I’m just saying you might want to prepare for the fact that if your child ends up unlearning that idea later on, that experience can also be traumatic. ",
"If you truly want to learn the horrors of diphtheria play some Oregon trail.",
"Yeah, but then you get the rebuttal that failure to act isn't harming anyone and, unfortunately, our laws support that a lot of the time.",
"It is not laziness, though. I have seen these fuckwits read for hours too try to prove to me that I am wrong when I tell them about Andrew Wakefield.\n\nThey are miseducating themselves. They do not know how to educate themselves properly. They are either caught up in confirmation bias, or they simply do not have the tools necessary. ",
"Good point. ",
"Toothpaste doesn't cause autism... Until it does. But I'm not anti-toothpaste. ",
"Nope. Again no correlation. ",
"Wait until you get at least 50,000 infected in every country and then slowly kill everyone",
"Just a picture of text but it rips your heart open. ",
"reddit makes this seem like SUCH a hot button issue. the % of anti-vaxxers is so low. i am convinced government shill accounts perpetuate that this is an actual problem for distraction reasons because otherwise, it makes no sense",
"> It sets a tyrannical precedent that the government can do what it likes to you so long as it's \"for your own good\". Just imagine for a second how that could be abused.\n\nWhat an American thing to say. Worry about the super scary government abusing power that you could fight against instead of worrying about idiot citizens putting us all in danger.",
"The commercial was actually to get the *parents* (and other adults) to get vaccinated. The most likely place they're going to get it is a family member after all.",
"Let me put it another way - If a parent put their kid in the way of oncoming traffic, would you think it's abuse? These kids are at a far increased risk of death from their parents irresponsible actions. That sounds like abuse to me. These unvaccinated kids are also dangerous to those around them who have had the vaccination but are among the case where an immunity doesn't develop. Do you want your kids to die because of your neighbours weirdo and unfounded beliefs?",
"They died at 5 or 15 instead of 82 years old. ",
"Sent suit and tie. Just waiting on resume so you can go to that job interview and get out of my basement",
"Step 1: Have $20 in your pocket.",
"That punishes the child and not the parent",
"Literally. I use to sweat the smallest problems, and was plagued by severe anxiety/depression. I slowly changed my perspective on everything after a long relationship ended. \n\nMy stress has never been so low. I take it day by day, and as your outlook improves, other people take notice. I use to be pretty shy, but now its nothing like that. Life is based on perspective.",
"I have a couple friends who have kids and post anti vaccine stuff. We live in a small community, so it’s quite stressful. Not long ago one of them posted a rant about “why are they called immunizations if you’re not IMMUNE.” ",
"In order words, gov't exists to counter human nature.",
"That’s the point",
"What about Greenland? Or New Zealand?",
"I never thought about what that whole debate must feel for autists. Reading that some people would rather risk their kids dying and endangering others than having a chance of them being like you. That can't be good for your feelings.",
"Hah, good to know :D",
"Anti-vaccination people would still twist this to their shitty reasoning. And frankly no one should be caring or reasoning with them. This type of people should be left in their own little world/cult. What should be happening is a law that forces every child to vaccinate and doing otherwise should be seen as child abuse. This isn't a matter of free speech or parents knowing best for their precious. ",
"My grandma had 9 sibling. She had two die of diphtheria; one in bed next to her. Her stories of childhood were very sad!",
"As a baby-boomer (I'm 65), I remember that many vaccines - for polio, for example, came along when I was a kid in the mid-late 1950s. I was a bit late for the polio \"epidemic,\" but knew a few kids older than me (they'd be about 70 now) who were crippled from the disease. Some vaccines - like for smallpox - were developed prior to my childhood, but I remember taking them.\n\nI also recall going out with the measles in 3rd grade. When I came back after a week or so, there were only 10 other kids in class - out of a large class of 40. These diseases really disrupted society prior to vaccines, and people died, or were crippled for life.\n\nMy father was born in 1912 - and he recalls almost dying of the 1918 influenza epidemic. For comparison, World War I claimed approximately 16 million lives. The 1918 epidemic killed 50 million world wide.",
"Hehe, I already hardly sleep so hopefully I'm adequately adapted to that :D",
"Then why not say *that*?",
"A more truthful title would be:\n\nThis is what happened when proper sanitation/hygiene wasn't an option.",
"I would say most manipulators aren't great creators which is why they have to piggyback/steal from others. I think it's reversed. People created faith, higher beings, master plans, etc as a way to cope with intense trauma and fear but also as a way to explain phenomena and beauty. Over time those concepts developed into cultural institutions which did become used and manipulated for social control and profit by manipulators.\n\nWhose to say another 1000 years of Native American tribal societies wouldn't have yielded \"church\" like institutions and royals?",
"> They're confused [and] don't understand science.\n\nGreat point.",
"Aye!",
"if i KNOW not doing or doing something can hurt someone, that's a conscious choice to threaten life. it's dangerous irresponsibility\n\nif i drink alcohol and get drunk, then drive, i did not decide to kill someone. but i made it possible that someone might die by me being so irresponsible\n\nsame with vaccines\n\n",
"Anti-vaxxers want your kids to die because needles are scary. Let that sink in. ",
"Then what the fuck was the point in him making the illness in the first place?!\n\nAnd if you say it's all part of his plan or some other bs like that I'm likely to come down this internet and slap you upside the head. ",
"The flu or other respiratory infections can be a *very bad thing* for people with compromised immune systems who can’t get vaccinated. Stuff that a healthy adult would shrug off without much thought can send a baby to the respiratory isolation unit of the hospital for days, or worse. \n\nIn severe cases, the flu is deadly to people with healthy immune systems. Check out the 1918 flu pandemic that infected about 500 million people and killed 20-50 million. For reference, WWI killed about 16 million at the same time. ",
"Yep! My pepere was one of 13. My dad is one of 15. It's amazing the size of families back when the church told you to have a million kids, and you needed the help on the family farm. ",
"I feel like people were less attached to their kids back then. Not that they didn't love them, but they had to sort of hedge their bets against this sort of thing happening, so it was no less of a tragedy, but it was sort of...expected, i guess?",
"Heh, yeah, we're excited!",
"Could be worse. American culture is just everyone else's culture. ",
"Likely AIDS caused by HIV from a dirty vaccine needle left him autistic and completely exposed to everything except what he was vaccinated for, very ironically.",
"Reddit can't pick up sarcasm.\n\nIt's probably because most posters don't read past the first sentence.\n\nThe measles comment absolutely gave it away, but you know.",
"I don't feel it's my place to talk about my kid's behaviors, out of respect to her, but suffice it to say that we have experienced all of those, at one point or another. Those behaviors aren't just random acts, they are expressing something, communicating something. They often don't make sense to us; head banging when they have an ear infection, for example. Sometimes head banging could be interpreted in the figurative use \"I'm so frustrated, I feel like I'm banging my head against the wall.\" \n\nFor parents, yes patience is necessary, because it's not easy to figure out what they are trying to communicate. For them, It's not easy because no one understands, and often doesn't care too. \n\nI came to a place where I decided I couldn't live like that anymore, that I wanted her to be happy and help those behaviors go away, but I didn't want her to go away. So I found help. I sought out autistic people and I learned, still am. Once I addressed the why it was happening, life got a whole lot better for her. She's a different person. She still can't speak, but I understand what her behaviors are communicating now and we avoid the bad ones more often than not. \n\nIt is overwhelming, I did get unhappy, but I wasn't going to throw up my hands and say \"that's just how autism is\". I wanted to know why, and how I could help so she could not live like that. \n\nOf course not everyone is aware of this, and some parents can't handle the stress, I'll concede that, but actively hating your child because you have to work at it is not good.",
"Daughter (8) was 104.5 for 4 days in October. Scared the life out of me. She handled it like it was nothing.\n\nI would've been crawling around my bed like I was on acid begging for morphine. I'm petrified of the flu.",
"Thank you for sharing this. I've always categorically rejected anything that sounds like anti vaxxer bs, but this study makes it pretty clear that it's not perfectly clear cut.\n\nAs with most things in life, there's probably a balance somewhere. Wouldn't be surprised to see that in the future we decide that the risk of certain vaccines outweighs their benefits, or that vaccines need to be administered to infants over a longer period.",
"I typed your symptoms into the internet thingy and it says you could have network connectivity problems.",
"I remember what it was like when my little brother was born... and I've already far passed that, and my lil dude isn't even here yet!",
"Hah. Eye like it!",
"Thank you for the information!",
"Vaccinations for a select few diseases were discovered in the 1800s. Scientists didn't just wake up one day and find an end all cure for disease.",
"it's in order of birth",
"It's easy for people to become detached from things so distant as a time like this where people were dying of spanish flu or whatever",
"https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/vaccinations/vaccine-ingredients/?\n\n\nNo, it addresses the main ingredients and then states that you can get a full list in the Patients information leaflet when you get a vaccination.",
"I see what you're saying but it's hard to compare. It's nearly like arguing you should lock up everyone with aids.\n\nIf you can quantify a very large and direct threat for a certain disease then I have no real problem. But for other vaccines it's a harder case to sell in my opinion.",
"> in your example, what about stopping someone drunk driving? according to you that is antifreedom\n\nYes, it is. But I support it because it's reasonable, and not at all forcing someone to put anything in their body at gunpoint.\n\n> killing someone because you're an irresponsible drunk asshole is antifreedom\n\nNo, it is not anti-freedom, it's abhorrent and irresponsible. Anti-freedom requires intent. A person accidentally killing someone is not *authoritarian* (the other word for anti-freedom). You don't understand the words you're using. I get your position, but disagree with it. You, on the other hand, are twisting the definitions of things so that your positions lines up with \"freedom\", because you know \"freedom\" is generally seen as good, and you don't want to admit that something you support is authoritarian (for whatever reason, I don't know. Why don't you just admit that you support something that is authoritarian, and argue that it's necessary that freedom be restricted in this case. I would still disagree, but at least you wouldn't disingenuous).",
"Look in the mirror! It may start getting gray...",
"Looks like they had 8 living children at the time, then 5 died All at once .",
"what time and place are you talking here? 70+ for rural at adult age is again still very modern, US life expectancy hits 70's in late 1900's.\n\nif we're talking the dates in image provide 50's past childhood wouldn't be uncommon for regular folks.\n\n>many historical records of people (mostly women) living past 80 in ancient times.\n\nsupposedly Ramesses II was 90.",
"it was more or less for a chance of survival to the family name. ",
"Denmark",
"That sounds like fun",
"This is so helpful. I needed to read this, I really did. Thank you. This has literally clicked with me better than anything my therapist has told me yet.",
"it's counter-intuitive but religion is actually most appealing at times like this. in books and movies people go \"fuck this, god clearly doesn't exist\". you'd think that is what people would do. in real life people cling to religion at moments' like these. it tells a story that makes sense of these moments and promises a happy ending (including a reunion). it is deeply comforting. ",
"I hear this often and I don't know where this came from. People had more kids back then more likely due to lack of access to reliable birth control, and sending kids to work early was some families' only way to afford them. \n\nEvery account I've read from actual parents during those times indicated that they loved and cherished their children just as typically as parents do today. I don't doubt that some parents stayed detached, just as some do today, but as a mother of 4 myself I get a little offended at the idea that people with lots of kids somehow wouldn't care as much if something bad happened. ",
"My body is mine and not the governments to violate and inject whatever they wish. I'm not anti-vaccination. However, when shots are mandatory they can put anything they want in the solution. Sounds ridiculous but so does the forced sterilization of black women without their knowledge or consent. That happened so I don't put it past GOV doing something similar to \"protect the public good.\"",
"It took me way to long to figure out these poor kids didn’t die because of a lack of family vacation. ",
"And surprisingly people still refuse to vaccinate their kids.",
"I feel so sad. ",
"You used the wrong stereotype",
"Idk, my thrift strat is pretty well polished. Can we hear it? ",
"I just like how you can read Korean without understanding a word of it",
"Agreed. ",
"The sign next to it is a TIL in German",
"Yea but That 6th kid went onto be Jesus I think, can’t quite read the sign. ",
"Oh God, when we were there we heard 3 code blues called over the PA. It broke my fucking heart that somewhere nearby a family was enduring something 100x worse than what mine was.",
"Hence \"still\".... People who don't love their kids enough to read a book? Fine, people who do read books will spoon feed you the information...\"nah, bruh, I've got my little believe-ees\"",
"it's a vaccine. it's utterly harmless unless you have a rare medical condition, which means exemption, which is perfectly fine\n\ndisease kills\n\nyou really can't tell the difference between a harmless vaccine and a deadly disease?\n\nyou really think the harmless vaccine in your body is worse than threatening innocent people's lives?\n\nyou're operating on irrational fear, not reason\n\n>yes it is\n\nno! stopping a drunk is not antifreedom. DRIVING DRUNK IS ANTIFREEDOM: they will kill innocents. freedom to live? what does that mean to you?\n\nmorons threaten your life far more than your hysterical fears of govt\n",
"He also posts on T_D \n\nIt's almost certain he's packing extra chromosomes.",
"how were you allowed to go to school?\n\nidk where you live, but doesn't the government require immunization in order to attend school?",
"An interesting note about Diphtheria is that the most famous running of the [Iditarod](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iditarod_Trail_Sled_Dog_Race) was a relay run to Nome, Alaska due to a [Diphtheria](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1925_serum_run_to_Nome) outbreak in 1925.",
"I used to help restore the 1700s era cemetery in my town in New England (slate stones, the works). One thing you'd notice is entire families of kids would die in the same month. 3 to 4 at a shot from things they called \"distemper\" if they indicated it at all.",
"Jebus didn't save them?!",
"All this aside, your great grandfather had a beautiful beard!",
"Last week tonight is your source lol your dismissive nature towards people who question vaccine protocols and safety is quite ignorant. ",
"Yes, good point. I suppose *not* killing 5 kids over a weekend would require too much effort. If it wasn't so much darn work, he probably would have prevented diphtheria from evolving, because his heart's in the right place.\n\nBest to just focus on souls and other easy stuff that's probably made up.",
"That sucks. Yeah the kids took it like champs, I however was a waste of space in our house. Hope everyone is doing well!",
"unless you have an active sub in r/hearthstone I don't believe you!",
"In the US in the 1920s, 100,000 - 200,000 cases and ~15,000 deaths per year. From 1980 - 2004, 57 cases total.",
"How many beers this person got so far?\n\nNeeds a beer counter.",
"Holy shit I can’t even imagine the pain that family felt that week.",
"Or, they could have just not had birth control? ",
"We already know what happens without vaccines, as shown in the OP picture. Imagine the shitstorm if a preventable disease had an outbreak. It's easy to forget now because, thanks to vaccines, such outbreaks are unheard of, but before vaccines these diseases killed millions.",
"Ages 18 & 3- much like Michael Correlone, you were out! And you were pulled back in! Ha- jk",
"Well, I guess we need to clean the gene pool somehow \n(note: not aimed at dead people, only at those who don't vaccinate their kids but have the option to)",
"He didnt respond well to the ultimatum? Thats new /s",
"Of course, the bodies that manage to survive did fine without pre/post natal care and our immunity evolved only because plenty of individuals died and didn't reproduce. That's not to say we shouldn't use new scientific means to rise above the indifferent death show of natural selection. A case can be made for not keeping people alive through their own stupidity, but vaccines usually target children who don't have fully developed immune systems yet",
"I was never vaccinated, besides at birth is that bad",
"From karma king to salty Steve.",
"Well you can’t just say that and not tell me how to best thrift shop cmon man ",
"I wonder what the TIL sign says on the left, I don’t speak the language...",
"You're probably right :(",
"Yea that pandemic and the fact that this year's flu is super mild, but even more fatal, is making me reconsider not getting them.",
"I wish some vegans would be more mindful of this ",
"You’re confusing antibiotics with vaccinations. There’s no immunity to polio. ",
"It's what God would have wanted.",
"Because there was nothing in my statement that should upset anyone. It's objective and neutral. I don't hold that opinion, it is never stated that I think so and it's just a fact that anti vaxxers simply believe so. \n \nIt's not my problem. ",
"Is easy would you rather hope that you had a chance of seeing your kids eve r again or just accept fate and be depressed your whole life",
"In for the obligatory \"is your wife single?\" comment. ",
"My point being. It is a MUST... It shouldn't be an option.",
"I feel bad for laughing. Sorry you got the 'tism. ",
"If vaccines dont work, why did the child mortaly skydrop when newborns started getting vaccines?",
"I hate people who dont vaccinate their children.\n\nThey affect the working enviroment by having a child that can get the disease. it gives the disease a miniscule, but a possible chance to mutate, but as the bigger risk, STILL INFECT those that vaccinate their children.\n\nvaccines work only if EVRYONE vaccinates their childrens. Otherwise we give a chance for the diseases to come back again.\n\nDont be stupid, vaccinate yourselves and the damn children. if not for your childrens sake, think about others.",
"After you're vaccinated, can you still get diptheria from someone who is not vaccinated? How many known cases have there been in the US recently?",
"Wait, did they all die of autism?",
"“When life gives you lemons, don’t make lemonade. Make life take the lemons back! Get mad! I don’t want your damn lemons, what the hell am I supposed to do with these? Demand to see life’s manager! Make life rue the day it thought it could give Cave Johnson lemons! Do you know who I am? I’m the man who’s gonna burn your house down! With the lemons! I’m gonna get my engineers to invent a combustible lemon that burns your house down!” - Cave Johnson(J.K. Simmons)",
"Again, thanks for talking to me without getting defensive over my questions. I am probably just as anti Trump as you are pro Trump. I want to have more productive conversations with the other side to understand where you come from.\n\nAgain, regarding the Twitter thing - it's his official statements. Do you think he should probably have someone manage his Twitter account for him?\n\nBeing honest with you, your first response to question 1 came off as 100% propaganda to me. I'm not saying that to discredit you, but to give you insight into my thoughts on it.\n\nObviously, you believe that the left is soaked in anti-Trump propaganda. Do you believe Trump supporters are susceptible to untrue pro-Trump propaganda as well? ",
"The children would not have died if they had access to a vaccine....",
"Population - \n\nEverybody :(",
"There are lots of mandatory laws that don’t involve a police-state enforcement of the laws. Nobody is suggesting gestapo-style midnight vaccination raids. A good start is making participation in *ANY* publicly funded organizations, be it schools, summer programs or after/before school programs subsidized by public funding dependent on vaccination. Anti-vaxxers’ kids would have to resort to private schools for other anti-vaxxers and sit next to a kid with Polio or TB. /S\n\n\n*there's a huge difference between forcing someone to do something external, and forcing someone to put something in their body*\n\nI think this is where we have to agree to disagree and stop pretending we are pioneering this argument on reddit or the interwebs. I understand your sentiment but I feel like there is a point where public safety, the health of your child and general welfare of mankind (OK, that last one was a little over the top) demands that vaccines be administered by a standard protocol and the resources the government have to dictate, based on hard scientific evidence, what is in the best interest of everyone, override the personal freedom of the individual. Particularly when that individual has shown a propensity to make decisions based on something other than logic. ",
"Dunno whether to lol or sad faic",
"Because we have cured exactly ZERO viruses. Viruses cannot be cured, they can only be prevented. The only way to survive a virus is for your body's immune system to fight it off. Vaccines are like arming your body against that specific threat so that when it attacks, you fight it off easily. If your body isn't ready, the virus can kill you. \n\nDiphtheria is a bacteria, not a virus like measles and German measles. So yes, we can treat Dip with antibiotics. But as the [CDC says](https://www.cdc.gov/diphtheria/about/diagnosis-treatment.html), \"Even with treatment, about 1 out of 10 people who gets diphtheria will die.\"",
"Most people like to assume otber people arent complete morons. Alas, this is Reddit, and they are always disappointed.",
"Misread s 'vacation' confusion followed",
"I actually regret subbing to t_d. Can I still be forgiven, Lord?",
"Right...",
"I read that in the middle ages the likelihood of a newborn child dying was so great that they didn't give them a name until a few years had passed, it was just \"the boy\" or \"the girl\". They didn't want to become emotionally attached to them until they'd passed that hump.",
"Now that we have the internet and a bunch of people who believe everything they see on it, we're at risk of this happening to people again. I feel bad for the kids more than anything else. I'd be pissed if my parents skipped out on my vaccinations because some guy on YouTube told them they should ",
"Man oh man, that doesn't have to be true. There's probably a logical fallacy just for this line of thinking that \"hey if the ideas been around for a while, maybe it's credible\". \nIt all started with an old article in some magazine I can't recall now that suggested it could happen. And it was just that. A theory. And then the original researchers rescinded their comments and research and said it's probably bunk but by then it had caught on with the neo-classical crowd of the time. The same type of medical outlook that anti-vax mothers and fathers have today who think organic food can and will prevent deadly diseases, paired with the fact that \"everyone around my child is vaccinated so they're fine\" (herd immunity). ",
"Lmao yeah, I only have a bachelor's in microbiology so your bad example must be going over my head. They were asking whether it could have prevented these deaths by Diphtheria. The answer is no, but your reasoning is like if they asked whether antibiotics could have prevented this, and you said \"if they're as effective as they are at preventing Ebola deaths, then no\". Of course antibiotics also aren't effective if the Diphtheria have already released a lot of toxin, but that's beside the point. And I already wrote a comment about antibiotic resistance and natural skin flora before you brought it up.",
"Oh god, now I know about how they’d suffocate and it’s worse..",
"yup\n\ngovt is the response of human society to the threat to its existence: the malicious and the stupid\n\nif there was no malice, if there were no stupid people, we would not need govt\n\n",
"In the fall I spend a lot of time hiking. I've come across many old family cemeteries where an entire family was just wiped out in a short amount of time. It's always a strong reminder of how far we've come in such a short time. ",
"I'm from Skåne and I can't really understand Danish either. I've tried the Kamelåså approach to no avail.",
"Same. I was wondering how badly a baby needed a holiday",
" read vaccination as vacation, was very confused",
"Can't lose your kids to disease if you don't have any kids to lose (insert iconic meme)",
"I don't even fact check Trump quotes anymore, unless they seem somewhat intelligent. Then I'm suspicious.",
"Even with treatment, about 1 out of 10 people who gets diphtheria will die.",
"I've just visited the crypt in Berliner Dom, where most of the royal family caskets are kept.\n\nSo. Many. Child caskets. There's even one for a stillborn, I guess (birth and death on same day) ",
"No, not even close.",
"You were almost correct. The collective tombstone inscription actually means “Jesus stays with me” which is even more depressing",
"Or maybe a killer vacation ",
"Lol det er dansk👌",
"Yup! It's the easiest alphabet to learn on the entire planet, because of it being the most intuitive alphabet on the planet! I love it.. So perfect. It's one of the reasons I love Korean so much.",
"Is that rare? To have 3 autistic children? Do they know what causes autism?",
"Step 2: Pop some tags.",
"I think back then it was sad but fit into the whole \"life is short\" outlook and that is the way things are. ",
"I'm so sorry it's affecting your marriage so much. You've received some good replies from others, and I'm not sure I can add much more to that.\n\nWhere you said below that he's talking about living out of a tent does remind me of my feelings a few months after we lost the baby. I just wanted to go live in a cabin in the middle of nowhere and be away from everybody and everything.\n\nI did end up taking about a week and going on a camping/fishing trip. I called it my \"walkabout.\" It didn't fix everything, but it did help just to have some time to slow down and just process some things. I find fishing to be very meditative and I can just let my mind wander and slowly pick apart and analyze the issues I'm facing. Maybe he needs to do something similar? I'm sorry he's drawn away from you though. :(",
"At first I read vacation instead of vaccination. Did not make sense at all.",
"I'm still trying to work out how people justify that death is better than autism, even if there *was* any proof.",
"Don't you have to pay for vaccines in the states?",
"and unfortunately he was the one representing \"things that absolutely won't work, ever\"",
"ah yes, when people lived to the ripe old age of 5. good times",
"He just had a thing for lepers. This wasn't leprosy, this was diptheria. Jesus curses those with diptheria, malaria, or other diseases that end in ria.",
"Me too thanks",
"Well at least they didn't get Autism.",
"Awesome style?",
"I mean, if it did happen, she'd be well protected.\n\nWe're done though. Planned for 3, and one snuck in under the radar. I wish I knew that was only the beginning of that one's antics. ",
"\"Jesus bliver hos mig\" sounds like London street slang.",
"Are you fucking serious? The hpv vaccine is a fucking joke. ",
"Don't worry, if you show this picture to an anti-vaxxer they probably won't bother to do this research.\n\nNah though, it's a powerful picture (without backstory) to support vaccinations, so I'm a little bummed that it's actually the opposite.",
"One of the issues is that anti-vaxxers seem to cluster around each other geographically and to maintain herd immunity you are usually looking at 90+% vaccination rates. So when a concentration of anti-vaxxers forms, you can effectively geld herd immunity in a local area and put vulnerable groups at risk (elderly, those with compromised immune systems, etc). ",
"Mom's spaghetti",
"Hey everyone I read vacation instead of vaccination, isn't so intresting, no one else has done that /s",
"All I can wonder is why it's sorted on birth and not on death..",
"What about the chlorine based white powder you use to flavour your food??? Chlorine is toxic don't you know? \n\n\n\nSmh it's called table salt. A compound of a substance does not necessarily hold the properties and effects of it's constituents, not to mention it's been banned already. ",
"Fuck anti vaxxers. They should be sent to the gulag. \n\nYes, I understand the Soviet penal system. I understand exactly what I'm saying. \n\nTheir children should be taken from them. ",
"Even with treatment, about 1 out of 10 people who gets diphtheria will die. If we didn't vaccinate the death toll from those who died **despite getting antibiotics** would be staggering. ",
"Vaccines still prevents death though. What tradeoff would be worth more? ",
"Honestly the only comfort I find in this pattern is that those are some pretty big gaps, which means they likely had at least *some* children left over. Good lord, what a weekend!\n\nVaccinate your kids!",
"It happens more than we'd like to believe, but now it's a \"private matter\" and has been pretty hushed for quite some time. The United States, for example, sees almost 6 deaths/1000 live births. Which may seem low, but for a developed country, that's pretty high. ~23,000 each year. \n\n[source 2011 data](https://www.nichd.nih.gov/health/topics/infant-mortality/topicinfo/statistics) \n\n[source CIA Factbook](https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2091rank.html#us) ",
"True, we’re all such libtards.",
"My grandfather was born to a farmer and teacher in a one-room log cabin in Illinois in 1937. They were extremely poor; there was no bathroom, only and outhouse, and they did not get electricity until my grandfather was 16 years old.\n\nThe chores were divvied up between the kids and when my grandfather was 4 or 5, his job was to water the cows. I'll try to quote verbatim how I recall our conversation went when he told me this story:\n\n**Grandpa:** \"I'd wake up early, probably 4 or 5, and take the cows down to the pond. Except in winter time, cause the pond was frozen, I'd have to go out on the ice and break a hole and carry the water in a bucket up to the cows.\"\n\n**Me:** \"Why didn't you just break up the ice around the edge of the pond and bring the cows down to drink?\"\n\n**Grandpa:** \"Couldn't do that because one of the cows might've fallen in.\"\n\n**Me:** \"*You* could have fallen in!\"\n\n**Grandpa:** \"Yeah, but cows were expensive back then. They could've just had another kid.\"",
"\"I SAID- GOOD DAY.\"",
"It says Difteritis because this grave is located in Denmark and that is written in Danish. ",
"> I think it's an important rant\n\nAs long as it's presented right for the right audience. You might not convince the anti-vaxxer, but it's important to be relatively calm in the writing for any fence-sitters who might read it",
"And those kids today would be replaced in aboooout.... 3 seconds ago.",
"I grew up in India. Birth certificates don't have names usually (made out to baby girl or baby boy), because the naming ceremony is held a few months after the baby is born. ",
"Who knew I'd wake up to read that Balto was a fraud. All these years of thinking the opposite. ",
"And those kids today would be replaced in aboooout.... 3 seconds ago.",
"Autism is just God's punishment for having shitty sperm.\n\nEdit: oh, shit I forgot we don't allow jokes on Reddit anymore.",
"I tend to agree. If a baby almost died and the parents were googling how to save it instead of actually getting help, that's serious CPS territory. ",
"I stayed at the Holiday Inn last night I can with all surety endorse your diagnosis.",
"As I said before, with herd immunity as high as it is, that's not really the decision that parents would be making, I hate when people on my side use false arguments like that. If a few generations of kids are unvaccinated, then you would truly be gambling their lives by not vaccinating.",
"The broadening of the definition and better diagnosis being the main factors in the 'increase' of autism isn't really an opinion, it's fact. \n\n> My kids were all vaccinated over thirty years ago but they were spaced out and they weren’t coming from China 🇨🇳 either. You know the country that put lead in your kids toys and arsenic in your dog food. \n\nThey aren't coming from China now. Please do some research. \n\nhttps://www.verywell.com/are-vaccines-made-in-china-2634585\n\nhttps://www.skepticalraptor.com/skepticalraptorblog.php/vaccines-made-in-china-another-myth/",
"Bullshit autism is caused by genetic factors so they could have autism and you shouldn't beleave one article that says vaccines cause autism when thousands of say they don't with scientific evidence.",
"\"Jesus is with me\"\n\nJesus is the name of the bacterium",
"I would have a discussion with them. Sit down, ask them why they feel like this. A lot of people assume people who are anti-vaccination are simply uninformed and irrational. However, there has been research to suggest that there is a lot of thought about why they choose this position. I see a lot of discussion about vaccinations that end in people calling each other names. This doesn't help matters, and it certainly won't change people's minds. By having a chilled, open discussion you can find out their reasoning and perhaps try to gently persuade them otherwise. ",
"Well it does matter that they don't believe in herd immunity. They don't think it exist, so the thing that is protecting them from the disease is \"natural stuff\" that they buy from shit websites. And since they aren't vaccinated and still doesn't get polio they have to be right. I mean without vaccination you should get polio, right? But they don't, because they eat that \"natural stuff (shit)\". Right?\n \nThey don't get polio because of herd immunity but think it's due to the \"natural shit\". Thereby in their world they are correct, because there is no such thing as herd immunity in their world. It's hard to teach an anti vaxxer because they are caught in a circle of poop information, when you try to intervene you get a stream full of shit hurling against you and your will to live diminish.",
"Yes, and don't forget scarlet fever, mumps and chicken pox. \n\nVaccines are awesome. I maybe the first generation from the 20th-century who did not have a smallpox scar. My old brothers by six and two years have them. \n\nI'm very lucky to have been born when and where I was, disease-wise. ",
"You would think we wouldn't have to show the effects of curable diseases going unchecked but here we are today with thousands of people willingly choosing not to.",
"I think the last tetanus booster I had was in my twenties. Do I need to keep getting them?",
"http://vk.ovg.ox.ac.uk\n\nHere. This site describes what each ingredient does.",
"Failing to vaccinate your child does not harm them in the same way that not forcing them to wear a bullet proof best does not harm them. ",
"I laughed and then read your comment and wondered if I should feel bad and then didn't and then I wrote this.\n",
"> I have an acquaintance on FB that occasionally posts anti-vaxx stuff. \n>She doesn't have any children.\n\nYep......\n",
"> All my kids are alive, it's a beautiful day.\n\nSitting right next to my 2 girls, getting all emotional on a Monday. Bless your kids, give them a kiss from me.",
"I'm English",
"Same to you. At least it's over and you (likely) won't have to worry about it again this year!",
"Mg godson is autistic and his parents would do anything for him to be \"normal\". Not because the work of taking care of him is exhausting and debilitating, Mom promptly quit her job and became a SAHM happily to take care of him. \n\nThey'd give anything for him to be normal because they worry that he's 2 and has never spoken a word and has only made sounds. He's only learned 1 gesture and hasn't picked up anymore sign language. He doesn't use utensils. He doesn't make much eye contact and does not try or enjoy playing with other children even though he's a very happy baby with a great temperament.\n\nThey'd do anything to make him normal so that *he* can have a normal life and so that he has the ability to take care of himself in the future. It's still early but right now it seems that he will require outside care for his basic needs for the rest of his life.",
"In the *master* bath, no less. Meaning there are others. I have one shitter, and I'm happy with that, for the most part, until I take a really smelly dump and someone else gets up to use the toilet. ",
"Yahoo answers: \n\nBabby is ded. How stop babby from dying?",
"It was also before antibiotics and a basic understanding of how germs are spread ",
"Do they vaccinate there?",
"I think there should be a penalty paid for exposing others to disease due to your stubbornness.\n\nManslaughter?",
"Sadly, diphtheria has re-emerged in Yemen because the Saudis are preventing vaccines from entering the country. It's 2018 and Yemeni kids are dying of totally preventable diseases like diphtheria and cholera. ",
"True. Let's forget history and let it repeat itself. If you really think people take vaccines because of published papers so be it. But I am quite sure most do take it because they remember those tragedies.",
"You know what, my wife and I were against vaccinations till we had our own child. We still were hesitant but in the end worked with the doctors to stagger it such that our son didn’t get more than one vaccination at a time. I don’t know how parents can knowingly not give them to their kids. ",
"I was hoping for this to be a fake account, then I've seen the \"verified account\" badge and died inside.",
"This is something I learned when I first moved to California with my husband. We both got boosters on our very first visit to our new GP. Apparently pertussis (whooping cough) is making a comeback here. Made me happy that our doc was so pro-active about it.",
"Forced to take meds that directly contribute to an immediate treatment. Vaccines a prophylactic for diseases that, statistically speaking, most people won't have to deal with anyway. ",
"well yeah.. but my yogi says..............",
"Oregon Trail",
"Guys I think the bigger issue here is lack of trust in our governments. This anti vaccination issue is rooted deep in the levels of mistrust people have towards their government. Its scary people will rather take their chamces with nature tham trust the info governments give out. ",
"M",
"I'm not Anti-Vac I'm just saying it's an ill comparison considering the majority does in fact vaccinate and the difference of 100 years of modern medicine would allow a minority of people not to vaccinate and ultimately still live. ",
"I mean depending on how severe it is, you might wind up being a caregiver to your child for *their adult life i.e. the rest of your life.* Most parents don't have children thinking this will be the case. We're human, give the guy a break. ",
"I have a green belt in autism. Hiiiiyaaa!",
"> And if anyone has anti-vax friends, please have them watch Penn and Teller on Vaccinations.\n\nAh yes, because aggressively insulting people is a sure-fire way to persuade them",
"Did I say anywhere I wanted children to die? No I was simply pointed out they have very low rates of vaccination, which is true. With regards to your snopes article, \n\n>68% stated that all of their children had received at least 1 immunization, and 17% reported that some of their children had received at least 1 immunization.\n\nHaving 1 vaccine is a world away from the CDC schedule which is how many shots by age 18? Either way it's a huge number, with many having had no shots all. This is well below any figures quoted for supposed heard immunity. With conventional logic disease and deaths should be absolutely rife is this community.",
"My son is wonderful too ",
"I misread this as \"when vacation wasn't an option\"\n\nand then noticed that they all died around the 4th of July. Thank god for the American Revolution!",
"Do you know what they call alternative medicine that works? Medicine.\n\n--Tim Minchin\n\nCome on dude, cite your sources",
"I have a cousin on FB who posted a rant last week about fucking flu shots that ended with \"but ya'll just keep putting that crap in your body\". The PAINFUL FUCKING IRONY here is that she also has a 6 week old baby who just came home from the NICU. Her own kid is exactly who needs the most protection, and yet she is actively trying to discourage people from getting a flu shot, in the middle of a nation wide flu outbreak. My mind cannot handle the boggling. ",
"I have a cousin by marriage who is an anti-vaxxer. She - like many Americans, do not understand the difference between anecdotal information and statistics. You could argue with her all day that - statistically speaking - vaccines are very safe and there is no evidence that they \"cause\" autism.\n\nShe will not hear any of it. Her \"evidence\" is that her son is autistic and was vaccinated. She sent me a short documentary of a family with an autistic son (vaccinated) and a normal daughter who was not vaccinated. That is all the proof my cousin needs. You can argue that one anecdotal case does not prove anything, and also that boys tend to be autistic at a much higher rate than girls.\n\nIt is just wasted breath - she's an anti-vax true believer. Thankfully, she's not having any more children.",
"Now I know how Steve Buscemi is spelled in ~~German~~ Danish. ",
"What is the best way to comb through thrift stores? I genuinely want to hear your approach.",
"Are your shoes still on?",
"I don't mean to sound offensive because I really just am very curious. So, if you don't want to answer me, you don't have to.\n\nIs it noticeable when you're around people? I know there are different degrees of autism so to speak, so I've always been curious as to what extent it really goes.",
"Reddit’s gotten significantly sick of the almost militant atheism that’s permeated the site for the last ten years or so.",
"TIL minde om...",
"If you have the chance to visit an older cemetery with a children's section, you will notice a trend.\n\nAfter my grandfather's funeral was over, I started wandering around the small, rural cemetery he was buried in. There was a children's section towards the back. There were about 50 graves in this section, but only 2 of the children died between 1955 to the present day.\n\nThank science for vaccinations!",
"Did anyone else read \"vacation\" and then were like \"why did people die from not going on vacation?\n\nI certainly did not do that.",
"He was joking about the username comment",
"Geeze race to the bottom. My mom had one of her newborn twins die day 1, her father murdered day 2, and second twin died day 3. This was in the 1940s. twins died from that blood thingy where mom's doesnt match the babies, etc. (I know not an issue today).",
"There's a picture of a leaf on top. \n\nAre you sure they didn't die of a severe glutton allergy?",
"Three of my grandparents, all born in the 1890s & '90s, had a younger sibling who died before the age of five. When I asked them about it -- as diplomatically as possible -- when I was college in the early '60s, they all said basically the same thing: That it was just part of life, even in the 1920s. My grandfather: \"You don't know how good you have it now. There were never any 'good old days'.\"\n\nI react much the same way when my grandkids wax nostalgic about the 1950s, which they know only from \"Leave It to Beaver\" reruns.\n\nEDIT: speeling",
"This has been going on for years now, If you really cared to know about it, you would’ve made it a point to actually find out. Being spoonfed information is easier. \n\nIt’s not “what I think” it’s what you’ve been openly told about but chose to not look any deeper. \n\n\nBut your comment doesn’t seem to want to know - more just waiting to reply. \n\n\nPs - if you really care - don’t just read an article and be done - look at who funds the articles/narrative for both sides of the argument. Look at multiple studies globally.\n\n\nThe basis for vaccinations are beneficial - and I personally believe that’s where the confusion starts to stem from - However, Aluminum, Formaldehyde, MSG - are some of the few the cdc actually lists - and are all no good for you.\n",
"No but it's nice you're just trying to stuff in some anti religious rhetoric while looking at a grave of five children. ",
"Same here.",
"At least the Lord rested on Sunday /s",
"My Grandpa b. 1912 was one of 6 kids. Only he and 1 brother survived to adulthood.\n\nI looked at my Dad's genealogy and there are too many lists like this. Children died as unnamed infants or parents gave a new baby the name of a deceased sibling. ",
"Because the power can be abused. Historically, government abuse power almost unquestionably. Our government abuses its power already. If I trusted our government to mandate vaccines, then sure, there would be some good there. But having a government that has already shown itself to be distrustful given the power to enforce medical procedures on its populace by threat of jail, fines, whatever (marriage licenses?), that is giving a lot of power to a very distrustful group of people.\n\nThere are other ways of ensuring vaccinations, including public education, and more localized forms of enforcement (such as public schools, but on a state-wide basis), or whatever. We don’t need to jump the gun.",
"Ignorance and scientific proof should both get equal say, or else democracy has failed. ",
"They basically died from a shitty vaccine. \n\nWe live in a world where optics and pageantry are more important than truth. If you want to make a case for vaccines, there are COUNTLESS true stories you could use, but this has a nice little pic so it makes the point.\n\nTruthiness at its finest.",
"Yes. I've been told 7 years is the standard now for TDAP re-vaccination, not 10 years as previously told.",
"> comb through thrift stores\n\nPlease post to /r/thriftstorehauls",
"Wow. ",
"They should have contracted those diseases previously then they could have built an immunity!",
"I have literally just started rewatching THAT episode of \"Anne with an E\" and I see this on the home page. Those coincidences happen way to often.",
"> you really think the harmless vaccine in your body is worse than threatening innocent people's lives?\n\nNo, I do not think that at all. I just think nobody should be forced to put anything in their body at gunpoint.\n\n> no! stopping a drunk is not antifreedom.\n\nYes, it absolutely is. You don't understand words.\n\n> DRIVING DRUNK IS ANTIFREEDOM\n\nNo, it is not. You don't understand words. I just explained this above.\n\n> they will kill innocents.\n\nNo, they *might* kill innocents. And I agree we should not allow people the freedom to drive drunk. I *support* taking away that freedom. But it is still taking away some freedom, because I agree that the right to drive on a road not populated by drunk drivers is more important than the freedom to drive drunk.",
"I didn’t say they don’t work. It was more of an existential question.\n\nPerhaps I am biased because the last time I got a flu vaccination, I was paralyzed from the waist down for 11 months. Guillain-Barré syndrome...",
"Agreed. Also, Ultimately, every book says it will come down to a religious war between religious factions. So the more numbers, the better they are to win on judgement day. ",
"There is nothing you can say to change their minds if they are already prepared to ignore the mass of evidence debunking the vaccine-autism link.\n\nThere are very limited treatment options for viral infections. If you have seen (as I have in a professional capacity) children who have brain damage, or are blind as a result of measles, you would advocate vaccination. ",
"I got adult croup while reading The Stand. Never was so afraid for my life. \n\nAlso, you should read The Stand this week. Makes you appreciate life more.",
"The problem is that people *actually* think like that, so it's easy to misinterpret.",
"I can understand not believing something when they claim something. I have aspergers, I have celiac, I'm lactose intolerant, there's a fair chance I'm skeptical.\n\nBut who goes around *saying* they don't believe people to their face?",
"My wife has a theory about where some antivaxxers come from. When our first son had his first shot, she was surprised at how emotional she got over him crying. She knew it was the right thing to do , but her mother instinct told her at that moment that her kids would never get another shot. She has since gotten past that. But I take the boys in for shots now. ",
"Is ok, they lived a full life",
"And if you did that, you'd be an idiot parent. A 1 in million bad reaction happening shouldn't result in you saying \"well shit, whooping cough it is then.\" ",
"We just got cases of the measles at O'Hare in Chicago",
"You just need a few anchor dates memorized, then know which years are leap years. Day of the week advances by one each year, two in leap years.\n\n04-04 = 06-06 = 08-08 = 10-10 = 12-12",
"I will never forget the day in my 5th grade Keyboarding class when the teacher said that if we finished up our lesson early, we could play *Oregon Trail*.\n\nOne of my classmates yells out \"Alright, *Oregon Trail*! 'You died of gonorrhea!'\"",
"Yep, it’s Danish. \n\nEdit: pretty sure the tense of verb in the last sentence makes it: Jesus, be with me.",
"No vacations either!!",
"I'd honestly probably kill myself and I only have one.",
"that spanish flu spike in the early 1900s, jesus. ",
"It can be pretty high is affluent areas...ironically since higher income tends to correlate with higher education levels. ",
"To be fair, this isn't merely because they didn't have vaccines. It's also because they didn't have anti-biotics. ",
"I'm not sure ignorance is the right word here. Because they are educated. People like this usually spend hours researching and posting stuff on facebook about it. It's a way of life, it's for many a hobby. I had to remove a girl from facebook because she simply just posted to much shit about it.\n \nSo they are highly educated on the matter. It's hard to argue with someone that has spent several days, weeks or even months in total researching a subject. They are experts. The issue is that all their knowledge is shit. Maybe ignorance is the right word, I don't know. But many certainly aren't uneducated (sort of).",
"I had whooping cough last year. A few salient points:\n1) yes, you need a booster every ten years (I hadn't travelled overseas for two years so missed that I needed a booster)\n2) it has up to a 30 day incubation period, so a cougher on a bus or In a store might give it to you without you realizing you had been coughed on around 3 weeks ago\n3) it is contagious even when on antibiotics. Most diseases lose contagiousness within 24-36 hours of antibiotics, but pertussis needs 5 full days\n4) pregnant women should have a booster to give newborns partial immunity until they can get the full immunization\n5) it is particularly deadly for babies because they cannot cough hard enough so they suffocate: brain damage or death results. \n\nThere is an antivaxxer in our family. I hoped our (my partner and I) absence from their and their kids lives for 3 months (until I had no symptoms left of the 100 day cough) slapped some sense into them.\n\nEdit: words",
"I dunno man my godparents niece has autism and they honestly think vaccinations cause it but they said they’d rather their child have autism and be vaccinated than not have autism and die of a disease that could be prevented ",
"Ok thanks. I don’t like autistic kids labeled as weird. It’s insensitive to them and their families. I’m not pointing fingers but I read the remarks. Have a good one. ",
"Herd immunity only matters if the majority continue to vaccinate. Thats a big assumption when the person making the argument is choosing not to vaccinated for fear of mental disorder. It is not unreasonable to assume the majority could just as easily accept that argument and choose not to vaccinate. And it doesnt take a few generations. It only takes a largest enough percentage of the population not keeping up. \n\nWhat makes people think they can rely on everyone else acting in good faith when they choose to act in bad faith. ",
"Ah. Well, I guess I'm not especially smart about current jargon.",
"but that kinda is the problem as to why we're headed to 8 billion....saying just accept it is pretty grim. \n\nanyway, if you have kids just remember to tell them how cool polar bears were!",
"LMFAO!!!! Oh man, you're one of those.\n\nBuddy, most scientists aren't even religious. The scientists in the academy of sciences are atheist by over 90%. Worldwide it's even higher. \n\nAnd actually , we do understand the creation of worlds through accretion. We understand the life cycle of stars, solar systems, and galaxies. Your religion used to think they were holes poked in a black cloth. \n\nStep out of the 7th century, cupcake\n",
"oh man....\n\n\nthat was a bad week. \nfuck I'd be so scared as the last kid alive.\n\nfuck it makes me scared as a father.\n\nit's a good time to be alive.\n\ndon't ignore what we took years to advance and develop so we can have better health. don't make up stupid whatevers for reasons. get informed just.\n\n",
"Chlorine is highly toxic and can destroy the body. Sodium when put in water ignites and burns. Your body is mostly water. Why, then, would you put sodium and chlorine into it regularly!!!\n\nThis is the same argument you are making about mercury.",
"Maybe",
"watch a movie called The Homesman",
"Were you actually tested for the flu or did you just have an upper respiratory virus? \n\nThe majority of people who received the flu shot did not get the flu and helped keep those who could not get the shot safe from the virus. The few unlucky people still did a good thing even if they ended up with the flu. ",
"Oh well if you say so .",
"And that's why India has very intense drives to eradicate communicable diseases and very strict rules at immigration entry points to discover and quarantine people with diseases. \n\nAt a state and local level though, it's fucked up how they don't do pest control and deadly diseases like dengue fever are still a thing. My sister surveys land in a major city and she's nearly died from dengue twice. Hospitals and up with platelet shortage during dengue season! All because the local government can't maintain sanitation. ",
"The anti Vax movement is one of the strangest modern day developments. \n\nIt's funny to think anti Vax kids are still completely insulated by parents who choose to vaccinate as they aren't routinely exposed to deadly childhood diseases as in the past.\n\nGenerally it is a selfish and ignorant decision by those who deem themselves smarter than people around them. ",
"Nani!",
"I've never got a single vaccine lol ",
"I often wonder if those extreme cases aren't largely genetic.",
"Amen. :)",
"But her emails!!!1112!!!22",
"Perineum. It's the perineum. I like assneck, though. That's a good one.",
"If you don't know what it is and have been given the standard battery of vaccines you won't have much to worry about",
"okay but for real vaccinations have been known to cause down syndrome yall!!",
"They answered that phone call",
"What real danger looks like.",
"It was all part of his plan. ",
"The toxic can also affect your heart",
"No, they think it's bad to inject your children with toxins to prevent a minor disease like polio that the body will fight with ease with the help of a few natural smoothies.\n \nIf they believed that vaccines could prevent polio and know what polio is, they would vaccinate. ",
"I meant that it doesn't matter in the context of the comment you were responding to, not that it doesn't matter in the context of the movement as a whole. Certainly it matters in that sense.",
"I’m an idiot, I read it as “This is what happens when vacation is not an option.” I was really confused why they were dying so young hahah.",
"Yeah. But flu vaccine is still an unneeded unworking piece of shit.\nEvery vaccine is important except the flu one. Ducking never got one in russia. And Noone from NY class got it. Noone got sick. We didn't wear coats n winter outside on break. ",
"I had chicken pox twice when I was 4. The same kid that pushed me down a flight of stairs gave it to me. Stupid 4 year old neighbor boy Brian.",
"Would you rather live to 10? ",
"You're confusing autism with assholism.",
"Except they died of something for which the vaccine was created 20 years later. So it is about vaccines.",
"> and I know that she is generally intelligent\n\nFWIW, anti-vaxxers are more highly educated than most. Vaccination rates are the highest in the poorest, least educated parts of the US. Education seems to give these people a false sense of self confidence.",
"Sure hope you meant /s. Or do you need a lesson in basic human genetics?",
"At first I assumed all we're small infants that were born and died not long after. Then I checked again.\n\nAll were varying in ages and got wiped out by the same disease instance. NOT JUST THE SAME DISEASE, but the same variation of it.",
"Just to be pedantic, the OP picture shows a case where they tried to inject a drug in order to prevent illness (allegedly, in a comment below).",
"Your mom is/was Rh negative and your Dad is/was Rh positive. I *think.* Also, if the fetus is Rh+? \n\nMy mom is also Rh negative and she had a miscarriage before me and after me. I think she got the rhogram shot(?) when she was pregnant with me. It still is an issue if the mom doesn’t know her Rh status or a doctor f*cks up an amniocentesis and the positive RH mixes with the negative RH. 😳\n\nI thank my lucky stars I’m A+. *phew*",
"And your point is? Just because a lot people people think it's dumb. Does'nt mean it is. No matter what you say you can't make your d\nStatement fact, because it' your opinion and no one cares about it\n",
"My great aunt was named after her older sister who died in infancy. ",
"Agreed.\n\n",
"I actually read this as 'vacation'.",
"Succinct and to the point. ",
"To be fair, there couldn't be a conspiracy if everyone was dead from disease. So clearly, they are a conspiracy. /s",
"When vaccination wasn't an ***obligation***.\n\nO wait, you're American.\nLaughs as a poor but healthy (for free) Mexican. ",
"Any vaccine vixins really need to watch \"Vaxxed\" free on Amazon. researchers spilling their guts...",
"This is propagandized bullshit",
"I'd like to hear your take on thrift stores. I hit them all the time. Would be interested in some aut-wisdom.",
"Yes 3 years exactly 🙄 \n\nShould we keep going to validate you feeling correct in things?",
"Thanks for your courage. I’m not anti-vax, but these comments are extremely one-sided. It’s an echo chamber. \n\nI was hoping for a well-stated argument explaining other public health measures like improving sanitary conditions, only because I’m always tryin my to learn more. ",
"I watched Balto as a kid, but I haven’t seen it in ~15 years.",
"You wouldn’t need to be. You just needed to apply a small amount of observant thinking. ",
"My niece is one of those people and is always sharing shit on Facebook that makes me want to scream. She has gone as far as saying she doesn't want to be embalmed because she doesn't want all of those chemicals in her body. \n\nI can't. ",
"I thought that said vacation for the longest time.",
"My grandmother in law lost 4 siblings to whooping cough in the 30s. She still thinks about them all the time. I can't imagine the survivor's guilt she feels that she got to grow up and have great grandchildren and live such a full life, all the while imagining what her brothers and sisters might have done.",
"I know some of the kids were school age but I wonder if he, being a teacher, was higher risk for infecting his own kids. I still wonder about that now if teachers even think about it. I'm a home health nurse and sometimes will have a patient who I go to school with. Currently I go with one on Fridays. And I am not even there to interact with anyone yet still get kids hanging on me, hugging me, and breathing on me. Ick.",
"Those are all children of the same family. The oldest was 15. ",
"So if I got jabbed late 2015 I’m good?",
"Not even babies - the eldest were 13 and 15! That’s awful.",
"But if they did that, then they might not have said it. ",
"\"Herd immunity\"? What is that shit again? Another excuse?\n\nThe hundreds of millions of people dead because of diphteria, plagues and other shit wouldn't find that excuse very attractive.",
"look, some of us agree with you, but you're so overly aggressive and hostile, we can't be seen taking your side. I don't hate the people who have lots of kids (maybe the concept of it), but i still recognize it's not sustainable. Instead, let's be positive and hope 4 of those kids grow up to be climate scientists and the last one figures out how to launch criminals to mars to create a space Australia. ",
"Fair enough. Just figured you didn't want to sit at -118 comment score. ",
"Public education will do zilch point shit for anti-vaxxers. These people are willfully ignorant, to the point where they will brush off detailed scientific papers as propaganda.",
"So did I. I was so confused",
"Imagine it from the most selfish horrifying POV: Would you rather risk taking care of a special needs kid your whole life, or just risk having the kid die? Dead kids aren't a lot of work, and you get a lot of sympathy from people.",
"If an adult has acute tracheobronchitis, and hasn't had vaccination boosters, you have to consider pertussis. \n\nSource: Copyright (c) UWorld, Please do not save, print, cut, copy or paste anything while a test is active.",
"idiot lmao",
"Data? \n\nAnd I'm sure you know this but cold≠ flu. ",
"Tide Pods",
"Maybe add in a less charged title eh?\n\n*And when people were eating much different foods and had severe deficits that allowed this to happen.",
"Imagine it from the most selfish horrifying POV: Would you rather risk taking care of a special needs kid your whole life, or just risk having the kid die? Dead kids aren't a lot of work, and you get a lot of sympathy from people.",
"As a parent with kids in school, thanks for keeping your kids home until they're fully well, instead of sending them sick anyway so you don't have to deal with them.",
"The sign is not in swedish, it's either danish or norwegian I cant tell",
"Well, I never said I made it up. I just say it. \n\nI wasn't aware of the original source either. Thanks!",
"Maybe?! Lemme guess -- \"fake news\"?",
"He was saying that 70 years ago they'd just be called weird kids, now with the advancements in medicine we can diagnose them with Autism and understand their condition instead of just calling them weird. That's why there are more cases of Autism now. ",
"My ex has full custody of our children. She still hasn't vaccinated them. She's a lunatic and a psychopath.",
"We tried to get them on our side by eradicating smallpox and nearly eradicating diseases such as polio. They already ignore all the evidence and make up their own, what else can you do to get them to support vaccination?",
"I understand that must have been terrible, but if that havent been triggered by an vaccine it could might as well be triggered by surgery, or a minor infection.\n\nVaccines are for the greater good, it really breaks my heart to see such deceases like measles return to places like Scandinavia that have been clean from it for years, just because people refuse to vaccinate.",
"If only there was some sort of treatment for that ",
"This may sound kind of cold-blooded to non-family-researchers, but when a particular line of your forebears was constantly relocating, it can be very useful to note where those early deaths took place. One of my father's lines moved from Baltimore, to upper New York state, to Cincinnati, to Indiana, to southeast Iowa, to the Willamette Valley of Oregon, all in one generation, 1792 to 1856. And they left infants and young children buried all along the way.",
"I have a digital copy of my great-great grandparents and their progeny c. Late 19th century. \n\nThe scrawny little boy standing beside my GG Grandma didn’t live long enough to become an adult. Several of their kids died in England before they came to the USA, too. Also, my GG Grandma died (iirc) on her kitchen table getting a mass cut out of her or something like that. She didn’t make it past 50 years old, I think. \n\nI’m beyond grateful for vaccines and modern medicine.",
"Thanks for covering for the rest of us! ",
"Capitalism will be the death of us all. Don’t get it twisted.",
"back then everybody were kinda autistic, because of the scerwy and poor nutritions :P",
"Microchips... would you listen to yourself?",
"Yep, taking medical advice from someone who believes mere exposure to cold air makes you sick. ",
"My mother was born in 1937. She contracted scarlet fever in the late 1940s and was quarantined. The doctor made house visits and had to burn all of her things when she recovered.\n\nShe's been extremely healthy ever since. She's 80 now and is on 0 medications. Goes for a 4 or 5 mile walk every day. Never smoked or drank so no addiction issues. Great role model for me.\n\nShe takes care of her older and younger sister who have both had catastrophic falls and hip or leg fractures in the past two years and are in nursing homes. I worry about her active lifestyle leading to her having a major fall but I know she loves being mobile so I'm not going to argue.",
"It's fairly rare. Autism is caused by a myriad of genetic mutations, several hundred different ones CAN cause autism. Think of it like this, there's a lot of genetic causes, and each kind of has its own flavor of autism. So there are LOTS of different Autisms, with different symptoms and different severities. \n\nBoth my wife and I match what you would call an autism phenotype, though neither of us was diagnosed clinically, and wouldn't now because we've learned how to deal with our challenges. If we were kids today, we'd probably be diagnosed autistic too. Our kids, though, managed to get the most autism-y parts of both of us, and are more severe than either of us. \n\nBut all 3 can talk and are learning through therapy and lots of teaching. We have hopes that at least 2 of the 3 will be able to live a normal life someday. The oldest didn't get intervention and therapy until she was 5, and you can see the late intervention in her behavior. \n\nMy understanding that a 100% autism rate for 3 kids is pretty rare. We were going to have more, but we can't do that knowing that it's basically a guarantee that more would be autistic too.",
"Doctors and the pharmaceutical industry are not perfect. Heck, vaccines themselves are not perfect - they can sometimes come with nasty side effects or allergic reactions, or just be ineffective. However, they are objectively better than having a population vulnerable to disease.",
"But, just like the guy above you, *you* can't speak for everyone. Even if you did know about how he handled it, it doesn't mean such a technique could work for you. People handle things differently for better or worse, depending on who they are and the situation they're in.",
"I agree that public education will do zilch for adult anti-vaxxers, but I do believe that children, if they receive actual, substantial, real learning about vaccines, will learn to resent the ignorance from their parents, at least generally. I believe this because I see it with most things already. People with ignorant parents can usually tell the difference between blind, angry beliefs and hard, scientific facts. I don’t think the public schooling system does barely anything to educate their student body on vaccines, and they really should.",
"Hopefully we allow people to choose for their children so that we can have massive reductions in genetically retarded people.",
"Anti-vax people are a bit cooky if you ask me. I had a good friend, smart, nerd, into theater, and post-military (what a niche). Then he had a kid and started posting all this anti-vax bullshit. I didn't argue with him directly, but I posted my own shit about how important it is. Sure enough, he vanished from my wall. Had been friends for years but I guess that was the cut off? Whatever, I don't want to be anywhere near his un-vax kid anyway. ",
"Just so you know % means out of 100. Your post implies 6 out of 100 newborns die in the US which I don’t think is accurate",
"Reddit gives you autism, but Facebook makes you want everyone you know to have cancer.",
"Dig up all the grave markers like this you can, and plop them down in front of her.",
"Pulling out is 96% effective as long as you have urinated before your previous ejaculation to clear the urethra of any seminal fluid and are able to...pull out before ejaculating. Not that I would recommend it to anyone in the 21st century. Perfect condom use is 98%, for reference.\n\nImproper/Typical use of pullout goes down to 78% effectiveness vs 86% effectivenes. \n\n\n[Contraceptive Technology 20th revised Edition](http://i.imgur.com/PvPhjgo.jpg)\n\nThe cowpers gland (responsible for the preduction of pre-seminal fluid) has the sole goal of prepping the urethra for ejaculation by evacuating the urethra of any urine that was previously inside of it. Urine's acidity in the average human [is usually around 6.0 pH ](https://www.healthline.com/health/urine-ph#procedure), making it too acidic for sperm to survive (Anesse, Danzer, 2003). \n\n\nIn fact, a (albeit very small sample size) study was conducted on 5 patients and [None of their preseminal fluid contained sperm](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/12762415/). \n\n\nThe pullout method is unreliable mostly because human beings are unreliable. Not because of biological reasons. ",
"Someone I know shared an anti-vax video on Facebook and I replied with a respectful comment listing CDC summaries of all vaccines and AAP compiled lists of articles on scientific, peer reviewed articles on the potential effects of vaccines. They responded with “you’re big pharma,” because I work for a generic pharmaceutical manufacturer. I just defriended them and don’t talk to them anymore.",
"No.",
"More like a compost heap.",
"Yup. It also mostly hit children and young adults (<30), although I gather it's difficult to separate the war dead from the influenza.\n\nIt was certainly not the best of times.",
"My grandfather was the only survivor of 10 children. All perished in a typhoid epidemic—a disease for which we have a vaccine now. \n\nAs the stories go, my great grandmother went insane with grief. She buried one child only to find that another had died while she was away. \n\nThe “all natural” people need to understand that this kind of death and suffering is also “all natural.” And if you think that this kind of suffering is intolerable—it is—then you are morally obligated to do something about it, both for your own good and the good of all. ",
"Fair enough. At first I was trolling, then the truly idiotic comments start rolling in. I hate how taboo it is to discuss lower birth rates in western nations. Two really needs to be the max, worldwide",
"Then heart failure, or you can literally die from choking on the grey patchy skin if it gets free from the back of your throat",
"> Except that's dumb as hell. \"Wowee, I'm not dead! I've lost my job, my kid's in the hospital, my wife wants a divorce, I'm under crippling debt, and the signs of Alzheimer's are starting up, but I'm not dead therefore everything is ok \n\nI didn't say that reframing fixes everything, or makes everything OK.\n\nIn fact, I said it is helpful for reducing \"undue\" stress.\n\nCertainly some things that induce stress need to be taken seriously, and you need to respond appropriately to that stress.\n\nBut many relatively trivial stressors can be dismissed by maintaining a *healthy* perspective (a \"big picture\" view of where those things fit into your life).\n\nToo often we allow ourselves to get upset/stressed by things that have little-to-no bearing on the direction of our lives. They are largely superficial, but we give them the power to stress us.\n\nAnd yes, understanding that things could be worse often ***is*** a great perspective to take.\n\n- You have a cold. Is it fun? *No, but if you live in a place where you have access to medical help that can ensure that you cold doesn't progress into pneumonia, that is pretty great!*\n\nThat's just one example of the type of thought exercise you can engage in to reduce stress.\n\nEven the loss of a job can be reframed into a less-stressful event in your life. Yes, losing your source of income is a terrible occurrence, but most people are able to weather an event like that by maintaining an as-positive-as-possible outlook to get through it. \n\nWhen I lost my job, I forced myself to assess the other aspects of my life that weren't deteriorating: I had my health, my friends and my family, and I wasn't going to lose my home as long as I could secure a new job within a couple of months. Focusing on the positive while constructively addressing the negative enabled me to get through it without getting an ulcer, and stressing my friends and family out.",
"https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/09/29/our-infant-mortality-rate-is-a-national-embarrassment",
"yea, that was it. I never knew them (the babies) as this was way before the mistake known as me was born in the early 1960s.",
"Admittedly I read this as \"This is what happened when vacation wasn't an option.\" this morning . . . Had a massive panic and went to request several vacation days throughout 2018 this morning.",
"Anti-vaxxers are generally well educated. This is not even an issue in poor parts of the US, only in hipster areas on the coasts.",
"my father's sister died of scarlett fever when she was very young, circa 1920. My father was able to survive it but just barely. ",
"It is still 10 years in terms of what you learn while in a medical profession (currently in pharmacy school). It isn't too bad to get it earlier especially if youre pregnant (which youre recommended to get it everytime you get pregnant) ...only problems are if you get it too early, you may not gain your temporary immunity...if you get it too late you may actually get it. ",
"Most anxiety (keyword being \"most\" here) is linked to overthinking. You get caught in a thought loop, and before you know it, you've convinced yourself that you'll never be successful, your friends and family hate you, and that there's nothing you can do about it. I have this exact issue, and I do notice that if I take the time find something I appreciate about my day or something I was proud of doing (like doing a good job at work), it really helps.\n\nYou know, simple stuff like \"I had a really tasty meal today\" or \"that cat/dog I petted really liked me.\" Maybe a loved one told you that they loved you today. It doesn't cure anxiety or disorders, but perspective can really change your life.",
"I just mentioned this to 2 friends who had never heard of the movie, or the Iditarod race, or the statue of Balto in Central Park...and who now think I am \"a bit too passionate about something nobody knows about.\"\n\n\nDo you wanna be friends instead?",
"City",
"I upvoted all of these comments.",
"Shut up it's just a cold!",
"if you can then what would the purpose of the vaccine be ?",
"Don't forget the 52 people who have already died in Yemen from the outbreak happening right this very moment.\n\nhttp://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/01/yemen-children-face-worst-diphtheria-outbreak-180121203453007.html",
"No, it's just highly contagious. ",
"Which of those words is Danishfor diphtheria?\nEdit: nvm... diphtheria is capitalized so I thought it was someone's name",
"One would asume the parents emigrated to America after this",
"Amen. ",
"The serum was contaminated with fungi, because it was too old.",
"You can know if the child will likely have downs.",
"What’s weird is that people that vaccinate call the other side dumb for not vaccinating. Yet those people that do vaccinate(I know not 100% of them, but still...) will feed their children McDonald’s. What a time we live in. Quit hating. ",
"then can you guys get out of here, i don't want to get sick",
"Read that as: When vacation wasn't an option. Was thinking the dad didn't get to spend time with his family so they killed themselves. I need some coffee, jesus...I hate Monday mornings ",
"Wow time for coffee, I didn’t understand why this happened before vacation....",
"🎶 *The cirrrrrcle of liiifffeee* 🎶",
"Propaganda like this is why neither me or my kids will get vaccinated.",
"It’s absolutely necessary. I haven’t had flu in years and my children have never had it. Our family has herd immunity sorta.",
"Now if it would only smack the anti-vaxxers...",
"First of all I'm so sorry for your loss. Second if it was 5 kids I lost I too would buy a gun.\nThirdly I'm glad you're doing better. And lastly CONGRATULATIONS ON YOUR BABY GIRL!!!",
"I was agreeing, not criticizing. And I actually would argue that to an extent. In a country such as the one where I live life intrinsically has less value. Parents wear helmets on motorbikes but don’t put any protection on the child they are carrying while driving. Why? Because adults can just have a new baby.",
"Don't worry, it might also be cancer",
"I do know the difference between downs and autism. I meant downs however. Many people on reddit has advocated aborting babies if they're likely to be born with downs, or something of the like.",
"That's awesome for you. What you did worked, it doesn't always work. ",
"> A good start is making participation in ANY publicly funded organizations, be it schools, summer programs or after/before school programs subsidized by public funding dependent on vaccination.\n\nThere you go, I already stated I agree with that.\n\n> in the best interest of everyone, override the personal freedom of the individual.\n\nI agree this must be done sometimes, but very, very rarely support this line of thinking. In the case of vaccines, I only agree in so much as what you described, denying access to certain public services and places if you don't get vaccinated. People in this thread are talking like they really do support *mandatory, forced* vaccinations. Which I vehemently disagree with.",
"Downs.",
"And I'm over here playing dodge the sick person since I can't have the dtap booster. Repeated cellulitis and anaphylactic reactions from other immunizations in the recent past makes my doctors wary of letting me have the shots. ",
"I never claimed they did, because they don't. That was not my point.",
"Your final paragraph was what i was looking for. I get that most vaccines are for viruses but anti-vaxxers will focus in on any arguement given a chance and this was one i wasn't well equipped to answer.\n\nWhilst i am sure i won't change their mind, i still like to express my thoughts adequately and with enough backing information so they can at least think about some of it",
" Dude, shut up. ",
"The problem with this is that anti-vaxxers decrease herd immunity so this also kills those who cannot be vaccinated through no fault of their own, and those for whom the vaccine was ineffective.",
"They switched their talking points. It isn’t so much about autism anymore (though it is for some) it’s just generally putting poison into your body. Like aluminum and how it causes brain Injury. \n\nI actually watched a presentation once where Dr Tennpenny (sp?) responded to a question about a teenager dying from a vaccine preventable disease by saying she didn’t know whether the child had been breastfed or not. I mean, now we’re blaming vaccine preventable deaths of teenagers on whether they are breast or formula fed as infants? What? \n\nIt seems to me the discussion is that modern medicine has advanced so much that people don’t die from these diseases anymore. So. You can go to the hospital to be pumped full of drugs to save your life from illness...but not to prevent it. It makes no sense. \n\nYou know...even though dozens of healthy people have died from the flu so far this year. ",
"There was actually a case last year in USA. I haven't heard about since late 80's and it was back in the news again.",
"I read this as 'vacation' like 3 times and got so confused. Thought there was some natural disaster which happened to this family and they didn't have a vacation resulting in their deaths, was looking for clues in the comments. Turns out I'm just retarded.",
"At least they weren’t autistic when they died",
"Too bad you've already brought them to the world when they're a fetus.",
"Hey my lymph node was a little bigger this week than normal. \n",
"I read that as vacations and was thoroughly confused",
"Or contraception ",
"What?",
"I just think he needs to think about how the rabid media will crucify him. I personally think a lot are joking in nature but is lost in translation to a lot of people.\n\n\nUnderstandable. I'm massively anti-Hillary so anything about all the good stuff she's done would make me skeptical too.\n\n\nOh no doubt. The right is filled with people who vote based on party title alone just like the left. Like the whole Net Neutrality thing. I use TD for memes and when things like the JFK files and wikileaks files are linked, but when the NN thing happened, TD was happy about it (although the comments weren't) because it was sticking it to the (liberal companies that donated against Trump). You can attack the companies without hurting the common man.\n\n\nI'm honestly fairly liberal, but as i mentioned, i've never seen such hypocrisy and hate in my life. Even mentioning Antifa or Communism in a bad way on reddit gets you brigaded. I'm independent and this last election was my first, but i had educated myself a lot leading up to it. People don't realize how similar each side is or what corruption is happening by their side thats being ignored or anything like that. I often agree with things from \"other views\" but the people take it too far or only see half of it. For example, \"white privilege\".\n\nWas there a time where being \"white\" was the best you could be? Yeah, but at the same time a lot of people who are considered \"white\" today weren't seen as such back then or people think whites had it universally easy. Same with male privilege. I'm big into men's issues for a lot of reasons. Just because i think women have it better in the west doesn't mean i hate women or don't think they have issue, but a lot of those issues arent only exclusive to women such as rape and DV. In recent years it's been shown that men are roughly equal in victim numbers in both give or take a few thousand depending on the year, yet when the metoo thing came out, men were shat on for it and told to \"start their own movement\" despite every time they've tried they've been closed down. Or the kids who think \"fascism\" is a major threat when they're running around with communist flags and attacking homeless people and Trump supporters. I hate hypocrites more than anything so that's a major reason why i'm distancing myself from the left these days. Instead of fixing issues, they just change the scapegoat. Like if they are against white supremacy, they advocate for black supremacy. It's never about equality anymore. It's about \"revenge\".",
"Good point. I've never thought about it like that.",
"Why can't we have stricter laws regarding vaccinations? A parent who refuses to vaccinate their child(ren) not only puts their own child (ren) at risk, but numerous others around them. It really isn't fair that we have to deal with outbreaks of nearly iradicated diseases because some fruit cakes refuse to listen to their doctors. ",
"What if the child dies from measels when it's 1 year old?",
"It wasn’t bad. I just rolled around in a wheelchair. It was interesting to learn how to walk again. Gives you some perspective into what balance feels like to a kid just learning.",
"That's just a personal standard of principle. \n\nWho do you think has more influence on women between 25-45, Oprah or Trump?\n\nYou could hate him with a passion but it doesn't mean he is the primary target of blame on everything. \n\nEdit: Apparently some people think a Trump tweet from 2014 is more damaging than a decade of Jenny McCarthy and various women appearing on Oprah. Ok.",
"Name checks out.",
"Mistake, lol. I was sort of a mistake even though my mom vehemently denies it. 😂",
"\"Jealousy\"? I don't think that word means what you think it means.",
"Flu shouldn't harm healthy adults. Or healthy kids. If you don't want to get flu. Stay at home ",
"Hello to all the other danes here! \n\nGodt vi har fået vacciner i idag! Det er fandme trist at se sådan noget her.",
"REEEEEEEEEEEEst in peace, m'laddy!",
"*\"In memory of the late teacher L.H. Larsen, and wife Emilie's five children who died of diphtheria in 1903.\"*",
"Hahahahahahahaha",
"you immigrate *to* and emigrate *away*.",
"As if monday wasn't sad enough..",
"\"in the memory of L.H. Larsen and wife Emelie's 5 children who died of in Diphtheria in 1903\"\n\n<something small> Church\n\nto the right the sign just say F ",
"As a new-ish father, I couldn't imagine losing 5 kids within a week. I don't think I could go on after that...",
"I worked a few years at an old church graveyard on Long Island. The graves went back into the 1800s, and you could walk around and see the years of epidemics. Groups of headstones of kids under 10 all clustered in the same few weeks. You could look up the town history and see the years of whooping cough, pneumonia, diphtheria, etc. As a kid there were a few people in my area who suffered from polio. Heartbreaking. God gave us brains for a reason, folks. ",
"Using the death of others to push your own political agenda is kind of disgusting.\n\nEdit: Reminder that downvoting is not a scientific argument. You are not engaging in open debate. You are forcing your unscientific feelings upon others.",
"France, for one. There are 11 mandated vaccinations for children and newborns there. When I posted this I was thinking of one article in particular from a few years back but I can't find that one. I think Australia might mandate certain vaccines too? I'm not sure.",
"Burns people alive, promotes ignorance, was responsible for innumerable wars and genocides, stands against birth control, tells AIDS carriers to not use condoms, and is the single greatest obstacle to scientific advancement in the world right now. ",
"Found the neckbeard. A mighty fine tip to you as well.",
"My personal take on religion is 'I don't believe in any gods but believe whatever you want, but don't force it on me or mine'\n\nSo atheist-light I guess?\n",
"Good to know! ",
"Thanks a lot, I have already been disappointed by Jacksonville, and now Balto.",
"\"God forbid your child gets autism instead of dying.\"\n\nPersonally I would caution against this line of argument as it implies there is a link between autism and vaccines where no such link exists. \n \nI'm sure it wasn't your intent but it could be taken that way.",
"That's not even slightly the point of this post though. No one is arguing that vaccines are perfect, and they would be morons for doing so. But they are definitely better in general than the diseases they prevent. It's like saying that because there have been cases where a car airbag detonates without an accident and causes injury or death, we should remove all car airbags.",
"Pharmaceutical propaganda. These people died 130 years ago (!) when the living standard was ridiculously low and disease was rampant. Let's stop pretending vaccination is still a health issue. It's not. 99% of it is a political issue.",
"It's interesting that vaccines are no longer used for scarlet fever, because the disease is easily treated by other methods. ",
"not german, it's danish ",
"Whoa dude. That's a hell of a prayer.",
"Solid argument, good use of evidence. I expected no less from someone who is this divorced from reality. ",
"The good people of /r/legaladvice might be able to help you.",
"How can you possibly lump vaccine issues in with flat earth shit? That right there makes me dismissive of you. ",
"> get a lot of EXP for my Autism skill branch\n\nNot gonna lie, this was probably the funniest thing Ive read here in a while. Thanks.",
"I should fucking hope so. Have you seen the population pyramids in some third world countries? Nigeria springs to mind",
"....once you hit 12 kids :)",
"> its common practice not to name a child until after birth, at their 100 days birthday party\n\nIn reading the census, it's also common to find kids three months old still named \"Infant\" So-and-So.",
">\tBackwards man, the backwards man\n Backwards man, the backwards man \n I can walk backwards fast as you can \n I can walk backwards fast as you can",
"They did. ",
"My 4-great grandparents were first cousins. They had 9 children and all of them grew up and married and had kids. They might have had a 10th child that died at 3 months, but it's hazy (long story that relies on a now-gone headstone).\n\nTheir aunt and uncle were also first cousins. They had 9 kids, lost one as a baby and another as a teenager (tuberculosis). Their other kids were described once as \"either healthy and long-lived, or weakly and prone to sickness\". Their son's civil war pension record actually had an interview with the richest man in town, and he testified that the neighbors would talk about how maybe it was bad that cousins married, that it would weaken \"the stock\", like it would with cattle.\n\nAnd a grandson of the first couple had three children - all sons that died the days they were born.\n\nSo in general, I think you have to inbreed for a couple generations to get extreme results where all the kids die young. However, two otherwise healthy cousins having kids are fine as long as they have a decent water supply.",
"I didn't know that",
"Yea, definitely. Someone else pointed that out too. I'll be sure to avoid it in the future. 😀",
"This is really fucking sad. All died in the same month, two died on the same day.",
"The plaque on the left reads:\n\n*In memory of teacher L.H. Larsen and his wife Emilie's five children who died of diphteria in 1903*.\n\nThe last line on the tombstone reads:\n\n*Jesus remains with me*.",
"So really the story should have been that Nome got their diphtheria vaccine ToGo. ",
"I can't differentiate between a the real Donal Trump and a satire.\n:C",
"Because they think we're just using the death of others to push some kind of political agenda... (above comment). geez. Some people never learn.",
"Pro tip: do not grab your coworkers and start talking about anti-vaxxers and sending them reddit discussions. Anti-vaxxers are hardline leftists and you already know that they are just waiting for an opportunity to file a discrimination/harassment complaint with HR.\n\nIf someone brings it up and says they are against vaccination, rest assured that plenty of people, including medical professionals, have already tried to change their minds. Letting them read reddit's circlejerking shitposts, venomous hatred, and \"le epic roasts\" about anti-vaxxers is going to make them hate vaccines more than ever.",
"I’ve had a sore throat for over two weeks now and it got worse a few days ago",
"it bothers me greatly that these are in order of birth, not death.",
"I have to go for now, but I'll be sure to read and respond later when I get the chance.",
"Damn!",
"Oh I’m sorry, I didn’t realize there were so many DOG GENOCIDE APOLOGISTS in this thread",
"You're welcome for that herd immunity.",
"Really? Innumerable wars? Like what? The crusades? You mean the crusades that were in response to jihadists raping and pillaging europe for 400 years which also caused spain to militarize and become colonialist to avoid such in the future? \n\n\nEverything you've listed is bible thumpers. I don't know anyone against BC. But keep being intolerant. ",
"Exactly, another problem is that autism symptoms typically show up around the same time that babies get their vaccines (especially the MMR vaccine which is given at 12-15 months). This temporal correlation causes many uninformed parents to conclude that the vaccines caused their children to develop autism.",
"This info was taken from another comment on this thread. \nFirst of all, I am 100% pro vaccination but this post is ironic because the children actually died due to serum poisoning, which was an attempt to prevent diphtery. They did not die from diphtery.\n\nhttps://www.stoltze-saltoft.dk/getperson.php?personID=I501050&tree=1\n\nhttp://denstoredanske.dk/Krop,_psyke_og_sundhed/Sundhedsvidenskab/Immunologi/serumbehandling",
"[In case you haven't seen this,](https://youtu.be/RfdZTZQvuCo) Penn and Teller pretty much sum up my opinion of the whole *vaccines cause autism* nonsense. \n\n",
"Found the koolaid drinker\n",
"It's still a very American thing to say",
"[information ](https://www.cdc.gov/diphtheria/about/index.html) \n\nAbout five cases of diphtheria in the USA in the last decade.",
"Hey if Jenny McCarthy says vaccines are bad then they must be ",
"I'm just here waiting for the gold train ^choo ^choo",
"My grandfather lost literally half of his siblings to diphtheria, and then spent the remaining 90 years of his life with a heart condition that it let him survive with. I can't stand how antivaxxers who think that this magically won't happen again. \nIt was tragic and unavoidable then. \nNow, it'd be willful ignorance and negligence. ",
"I expected about the same screeching and hate from you too kiddo",
"in some states in Europe it doesn't. E.g. Germany... ",
"I had posted on shower thoughts that if you walked up to someone on the street and slapped them.YOu can possible be arrested for battery.Yet walk around with the deadly flu and nobody cares. We need to think of others and take it seriously stay home,wear a mask out in public,save someone’s life",
"Was this because of Polio or a golf cart accident?",
"Username checks out.",
"*People in this thread are talking like they really do support *mandatory, forced vaccinations.*\n\nDuh, that’s what the chemtrails are for!",
"I read it as vacation and was confused for a few seconds.",
"*losing",
"Please, I’m not ready for having my language ridiculed by not only a none-Scandinavian but an American who actually have taken interest in our languages!",
"It's not that they prefer dead children to autistic ones, it's that they have a terribly skewed assessment of the risks. They look around and don't see rampant disease and attribute that to the natural way of life bevause they haven't seen what it's like without vaccines. Then they see a shot that could cause autism (in their minds). They see a choice between not vaccinating and nothing happening and getting autism. The problem only arises when too many people start thinking this way and herd immunity breaks down and targets people who rely on it bevause they can't vaccinate for whatever reason ",
"As someone home from work recovering from the flu, AND I had the flu shot, I don’t feel so bad.",
"\"wasn't an option\" (what they wrote) vs \"wasn't optional\" (what I read first). It's too early for me too, but it clicked.",
"I was. Thank you. ",
">Humanity should die out, I am so edgy haha",
"Yes. If you’re an adult go to whatever health care system is available and get that shit sorted out ASAP.",
"Same poison, different concentration",
"Well, they named a coffee after him, at least.",
">I guess it's your privilege\n\nI suppose I am showing my privelege... that I provide myself by busting my ass and building an emergency fund to survive an employment crisis.",
"I want to trust expertise, I really do. However so far none of the doctors I've met in my life deserved any respect whatsoever. When a highly online rated endocrinologist tells you 245ng/dL testosterone is normal for a 21 y/o, you just kind of stop caring about getting approval and do stuff that you *can* do yourself.",
"Lack of birth control",
"What is political about vaccinations?",
"It's cool. Nowadays, in the enlightened present, we just say, \"you will never understand love because you don't have children\" <--- actual statement told to me and my wife many, many times. ",
"Sure, let’s just ignore the ‘typical use’ number, which is the important one.\n\nAccording to your source, with typical use, pulling out is 80% effective.",
"Diphtheria",
"Norwegians. I wonder if they thought so. Thanks!",
"I don't think that is much of a factor at all. I think it's generally more of counter-culture movement. Like not cutting your hair was back in the 60s. ",
"I think you're making the same point I was? I trust my mechanic and the people that engineered my car. It may not be something I completely understand but I trust the people that did the engineering which is why I feel safe in my vehicle.\n\nIt's the same way with vaccinations. I trust computers/biomedical engineers to have a firmer grasp than anyone in the general public.",
"Marie: 15 years old \nHolger: 12 years old \nAnna: almost 6 years old \nKlara: 4 years old \nEllen: 2 years old",
"I had heard of this practice and seen it some historic and fantasy writings. Just soul crushing that this was just \"the way of life\", at least compared to our standards.",
"It makes me sad. We came to a point where most parents don’t need need to know the pain to lose a child, and it in fact so uncommon it is something that deeply moves us. Not that people who lost their children before didn’t feel sad, but there is an difference.\n\nAnd then there are dumbasses that effectively deny the progresses humans have made, that includes the anti-vaccinations crowd, naturopaths, faith healers and other human scum.",
"I am an occupational therapist and the mother of one of my kids with autism said something that has always stuck with me. She would get so upset while talking to anti-vaxxers and ask them “What’s so wrong with autism? You’d rather your child contract a horrible disease like polio or smallpox than be like my son? You think my son is is so bad, you’d rather your child died than be like him?”. According to her, the conversation halts real fast. When anti-vaxxers scream autism, that is exactly what they’re saying, whether they realize it or not. I love the kids I work with with my whole soul, and although there is absolutely no proof that vaccines = autism, even if they did, my kids being alive with me free of life-threatening disease would be worth it every time. ",
"Because you should make informed decisions?",
"says \"Jesus stays with me\"",
"Red Spray, fixed...",
"I thought it was about workplace suicides. ",
"All sisters. Age 2, 4, 6, 13, 15. What hell that family must have gone through.",
"It took me a moment to register that they all had the same surname. Terrible",
"There used to be a chemical compound that was used as a preservative in vaccines called thiomersal. The compound is very toxic and was associated with high levels of mercury poisioning. Thiomersal has since been phased out of production but people thought that this was done as a response to increasing numbers of autism in children although there are scientific studies supporting the idea. I'm not sure when it was phased out though. iirc sometime in the early 2000s.\n\nYou can read more about it here:\nhttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thiomersal_controversy\n\nThe great thing about vaccines is that it is possible to eradicate entire diseases without everyone around the world being vaccinated because of herd immunity. I guess some anti-vaxxers see this as a \"hey, i didnt vaccinate my kids and they turned out just great!\" kind of thing.",
"Wow. 27 years of childbearing. Let’s say she started at 16. She’d‘ve been having babies until she was 43. ",
"Just wait until you hear about swans.",
"That your life experience has not prepared you to think about the horrors that can occur when the government starts compelling private behavior.\n\nLet me guess, you're from a white, middle-income, non-Jewish background in a Western Country. Right?\n\nThe drunk driver analogy fails because there's a difference between forbidding dangerous behavior and compelling statistically safer behavior.\n\nThe question was raised when the ACA was before the SCOTUS, if the government finds that eating broccoli is healthy, can/should it be able to compel everyone to eat broccoli?\n\nAs an American, there's no Constitutional authority for government at any level to be able to legally compel vaccination. I think everyone should. I think it's stupid not to. It's worse to empower the state with that kind of control over everyone's life.",
">I can't read foreign languages so no one can! Murica fuck yeah, let's all die of preventable diseases.",
"Matthew is not a girls name. ",
"Excuses! Excuses! That man was toxic from day one. He didn't try to hide it and people voted for him anyway. They looked past the misogyny. They looked past the racism. They looked past the hypocrisy, the outright lies, the arrogance and the plain stupidity of some of things he said and voted for out of blind party loyalty or and this harsh but it needs to be said, they only cared about what they thought he would do for them. It didn't matter if to those voters if he made things worse for women or minorities. None of his negatives mattered as long as his voters got what they wanted. Give me what I and racism, no problem, all your hateful and discriminatory rhetoric, no problem. You got my vote.",
"I'm on the spectrum (probably aspergers) and I didn't get the mmr shot because I was sick a lot as a kid. I did get the measles however and I would like to personally throat punch anyone who decides to torture their kids with it. I was only 4 but I still have vivid memories of it.",
"Because people who can't see a preventative measure, like vaccines or water chlorination, working, have no frame of reference for what it looks like when it doesn't, leading them to assume it isn't a problem. They then only see the negatives of the preventative measure. Idiots with agendas can then latch onto those negatives and conflate them with ridiculous conspiracy theories that just enough people will believe to make it a problem. ",
"#FOREIGN TOOTHPASTE IS TURNING THE FROGS GAY",
"I agree, except that there is good reason to not trust government. They are in the pocket of corporations nowadays.",
"are you telling me I've been stepping on all these rusty goddamn nails with no fucking protection?! ",
"You have to be pretty ignorant to ignore all the science that disproves that bullshit. ",
">I think if we all treated them as if they were just super gross and yucky that might work better.\n\nI like you.",
"Where do I go to be employed by the government in order to proclaim I don't like people dying of preventable diseases? I would quite like to get paid for this.",
"Funny running into you around here :)",
"I honestly totally forgot about religious reasons/values. Thanks",
"Wow, what a fantastic website!\n\nThank you, I believe it will be a good resource for patients! ",
"do i have the freedom to blast my music at 3 AM?\n\ndo i have the freedom to have my dog shit on your lawn?\n\ndo i have the freedom to drive 110 MPH?\n\nno, no, and no\n\ni have the freedom to get a good nights sleep\n\ni have the freedom to manage my own lawn\n\ni have the freedom to not be killed by morons on the highway\n\nall freedoms exist in tension with other people's freedoms, and your freedom ends where my freedom begins. you are not exercising your freedom when it hurts someone else's freedom\n\nimmature irresponsible fake definition of freedom, freedumb: \"i can do anything i want, damn the consequences\"\n\ngenuine, mature responsible definition of real freedom: \"i can do anything i want as long as i don't hurt anyone else\"\n\n>>DRIVING DRUNK IS ANTIFREEDOM\n\n>No, it is not. \n\nyes it is\n\ni assert to you with complete conviction: you don't have a functional valid definition of freedom in your words\n\n",
"Why I don't smoke... cigarettes. Never knew a lung could look so black.",
"Mine said that they would use a book... ",
"I’m from Belgium and my mom is an alcoholic with border line. To be fair I honestly don’t have any clue how we could manage this long without anyone losing his/her mind. We never really talked about it either and my dad is not the smartest guy out there... I guess you can say we got this far because it’s common sense and everyone probably assumed we were vaccinated. I also grew up in a very trashy family (alcohol, drugs, violence etc) maybe that explains it.",
"K chief ",
"Wow. That's pretty cool ",
"Totally agree with you interpretation.. but if I were in that situation, I don't know what bigger plan to hope for. Sure I can believe that they will be in a better place. ",
"Wait, do they think that autism exists because of vaccines or that vaccines increase risk of autism. I thought it was the latter, but the former is even more unbelievably stupid. ",
"I guess I didn’t get those genes. I’ve had a goatee for 25 years but the full beard eludes me. That’s ok though, at my age a big white beard would just make me look like a garden gnome.",
":-(",
"You are the biggest idiot on the planet if you don’t vaccinate your kids. I feel terrible for kids with shitty parents who believe this garbage. They are literally going to die and it’s there parents fault. Something needs to be done.",
"Diet atheist ",
"Just a joke because OP left that part out. You don't haf to be mad",
"Dude if you max out the 'awkward social skills / inability to grasp social cues' tree you'll gain telepathy.",
"As a Pediatrician I can assure you they are out there as a decent size minority. Nationwide they are less than 10% but there are clusters where it is much higher. There are really 2 groups: Hardcore and Vaccine Hesitant families. Very little I can do with the hardcore group, they just dig in and spout pseudoscience jargon. The hesitant group can often be convinced with patience and information particularly when I say that my children were vaccinated on schedule",
"> My son taught himself to calculate the day of the week for arbitrary dates. Yes, he's current on his vaccines \n\nsounds like a savant",
"The way you treat it is with that antitoxin serum and antibiotics. Antibiotics didn't exist then, and the serum wasn't as effective as it became in following decades, like it was when Balto did the serum run in 1925 and saved dozens of children in Alaska. The vaccine is essentially a version of the serum so effective that it prevents the illness from even starting to develop, and confers lasting immunity. These kids died because they weren't vaccinated.",
"All in the same year too",
"Huh. So it's become the modern version of the trolley problem. Vaccinate your kids and be directly responsible for whatever illness \"big pharma\" might be putting in the vaccines, or refuse to vaccinate and be indirectly responsible *if* the kid gets some disease that they're barely even aware of (thanks to vaccines).\n\nIt's such a luxury to live in a time that allows me to be barely aware of these terrible diseases that wiped out entire families and villages 100 years ago. I have to do *research* to find out that they even existed. I really hope it stays that way. There should an 'epidemics' section in history textbooks, with at least as much coverage as the world wars.",
"lol yeah I couldn’t believe it",
"headstones from end of 19th century will not really help anyone change their minds, this is a very sad picture, seeing how young these kids died, but I don't think it's something that will convince anti-vaxers at all.",
"I have one (step) kid and that makes me think. Cheers.",
"does cast the dramatic increase of popularity of apocalyptic pentecostal preaching in a different light. massive war, now a plague... easy to see how yo u could think 'the end times might be here'",
"Yeah, no thanks to the flu shot. I've never gotten it, not through any principled opposition, but because I have never felt the need. I've gotten the flu a couple times in my life, and it's never been serious.\n\nMy wife got the flu shot because the pharmacy she worked at was urging people to get it, and 2 weeks later, she was sicker with the flu than she had ever been, utterly miserable. She's never gotten the flu shot again, and if she has gotten the flu since then, it wasn't memorable.\n\nNow we have H3N2, the strain that is fucking up people hard this year. 7 of the 8 people to die from it had the flu shot. If only 20% of people get the flu shot, that's an alarming number.\n\nI'm not an anti-vaxxer in general. Vaccines for MMR, DPT, smallpox, etc. have changed the world for the better.\n\nBut no way am I getting shots for the flu every year when they don't work and statistically increase risk. I'll suffer through it if I happen to catch it, thanks.",
"“Hi, I have Aspergers. Now let me tell you about it”",
"Wow, they sure got autism awfully close to each other.",
"This is what we call \"evidence\". This is how we prove or disprove an assertion. This is why science is superior to religion in explaining anything, and it's also why the results of these surveys are unsurprising\n\nhttp://www.pewforum.org/2009/11/05/scientists-and-belief/\n\nhttps://www.nature.com/articles/28478\n\nhttps://evolution-outreach.springeropen.com/articles/10.1186/1936-6434-6-33\n\n\n",
"I can agree with that :-)",
"Well according to the quack who did his physical, if he’d started exercising earlier, he could live literally 200 years!",
"I'm guessing you've never watched a republican primaries debate in your life?",
"No people would do that to self diagnose so they didn't have to go to the doctor and face their shame. ",
"\"I am just a failure like you ,mom!\"",
"What about the story about the guy who stuck his dick in someone’s butt after they’d been eating sweet corn?",
"He's only an anti-vaxxer when talking to anti-vaxxers. ",
"It's literally Catholic doctrine you moron",
"I like the slightly more rude version: \"Religion is like a dick; It's alright to have one, but don't go around shoving it down people's throats\".",
"Just a few decades ago, Children in rural India are not named until they're 13 years or older. It's very common for parents to lose at most half of their children. And they gave birth to as many children as possible, with no idea of family planning whatsoever, hoping at least half would 'make it'. Thanks to vaccines, child deaths have decreased, while people still reproduced at same rate. This might also be the reason of India crossing 1B population so fast.",
"Good at math and vaccinated? Must be an autistic savant. /s",
"It's a party trick involving modulo arithmetic and memorizing the offsets of other months from January 1, modulo 7.",
"Thanks, much appreciated !",
"Did you read the context of the quote? He misspoke and said \"born\" instead of \"torn\". I see two problems here:\n\n1. Fake news, journalists taking quotes out of context to fulfill an agenda\n2. Failure to verify obviously fake quotes\n\n\"How does Trump not know that babies are generally born at 9 months? What an idiot\" \n\nThat's the narrative you got suckered into and blindly believed it. \n\nIn this news/political climate you need to verify every single bit of information you read about. \n\nI'd actually be interested in a link to where you got your info from. ",
"True, but eating McDonalds won't put others at risk around them.",
"I got my Td shot few weeks ago and it is said that I'm supposed to take another shot in 1 month and 6 months later (so, total 3 shots)? My friend who got Td shot in another hospital said that his doctor didn't even mention about the 3 shots. So which one is true?",
"So what is your point?",
"Correct? Lol\n\nJust observing the morphing. ",
"it's poor risk assessment because you never see someone with polio but do see people with autism.\n\nI just explain to people how the net gain is clearly larger than any potential downsides. ",
"And yet, there were people against slavery back then. So I’m not sure your metaphor applies.",
"Not necessarily for example sickle cell anemia is thought to have developed due too it's resistance to Malaria. Evolution isn't a level up.",
"Step 3: ????",
"Guess who's kids just got back from the doctor for croup... Hooray!\n\n(They are all better, not dead and stuff)",
"That's so 2011. Anti vaxxrrs are now all about PANDAS. Shit is stupid.",
"Agreed. in 2018 you should be combining at least two methods of birth control if you absolutely do not want to have a child. Condom + oral birth control / Condom + pullout / Pullout + oral contraceptive are all combos that will more than likely prevent any surprises for your entire fertile life. ",
"Literally thought it had its own 'TIL' I was like man that's whack",
"> \"I am totally in favor of vaccines. But I want smaller doses over a longer period of time. Because you take a baby in — and I’ve seen it — and I’ve seen it, and I had my children taken care of over a long period of time, over a two or three year period of time.\n> \n> \n> \n> Same exact amount, but you take this little beautiful baby, and you pump — I mean, it looks just like it’s meant for a horse, not for a child, and we’ve had so many instances, people that work for me.\"\n\nAs a non-native English speaker who just makes a living translating thousands of words from English every day after a few years of english studies in college, what language is this?",
"I was told two days ago that I'm basically evil cause I'd like there to be some sort of global standard on childcare regarding vaccinations - but apparently making sure kids are immunised against awful diseases makes me a horrible person who wants to 'do away with civil rights and liberties to satisfy my own oppressive blah blah ' or something similar. Anti-vaxxers will say anything to make sure their narrative remains correct in their head.",
"The CDC is estimating overall efficacy of this years vaccination at 10-30% but as our influenza A strain is somewhat different than Australia, they are actually thinking it'll be toward the higher range.\n\nOn a second note, 75% of pediatric influenza deaths this year have been in unvaccinated children. There was also a recent study that catalogued deaths and hospitalizations in the pediatric population from 2010-2016 that showed sharp differences in severity. So even in years where the influenza vaccine is not super efficacious, it reduces mortality rates.\n\nThey found the same in the 65 and older population. In patients that had received a flu vax every single year had significantly reduced mortality rates.\n\nSo in other words, you have no idea what you're talking about and the flu vaccine, even if off years helps prevent people from dying. ",
"It's on the little plaque on the left of the marker. They died of diptheria (translation of difteritis).\n\n",
"You can be well educated and still be stupid. It depresses me that here in Portland there is such a high rate of anti-vax. ",
"I don’t vaccinate and don’t ever get sick, suck on that",
"Maybe the child that lived is named Jesus",
"Yep!",
"Are autistic parents more likely to vaccinate their kids?",
"Of course vaccines were needed in a time where terrible diseases like diphtheria were abundant.",
"> do i have the freedom to blast my music at 3 AM?\n> \n> \n> \n> do i have the freedom to have my dog shit on your lawn?\n> \n> \n> \n> do i have the freedom to drive 110 MPH?\n> \n> \n> \n> no, no, and no\n\nExactly! Now you're getting it. Those freedoms are restricted because people agree that other freedoms are more important. Still restriction of freedoms though. Seems like you can't grasp this concept.",
"I read this as vacation at first",
"I spent some time trying to figure out why a reddit TIL was on the sign, but my brain could not place the word minde, and so, I surrendered.",
"I disagree. /r/atheism proves your point. They don't bash Muslims. It's 100% anti-Christian.",
"Eh reading through his other posts, he really doesn't seem to like his son. Forget loving him. No matter what, calling your son a mistake seems pretty fucked up. ",
"TIL minde om",
"You're an idiot if you don't realize how possible this already is. The tech is already there.",
"Friend of mine is in the \"vaccines cause autism!\" camp. She's super smart (or at least I used to think so), graduated top of her class in engineering and went on to work for a medical device company. But her aunt's kids developed autism so therefore vaccines cause autism? I don't know how some smart people can be so dumb",
"Well, that does it. \n\nWe need a law forcing mandatory vaccination on every person employing each and every vaccine big pharma can produce. \n\nEvery vaccine is 100% safe and effective--when will these anti-vaccine shills realize that? It is anti-science to analyze cost/benefit/risk/efficacy. It is anti-science to question any vaccine. Only leftists are true scientists, the rest are deniers.",
"a vaccine works by tricking the body into thinking it is fighting an illness... if you throw too many tricks at it all at once it can *hurt* the body.",
"... emigrated _from Denmark_ to America",
"I thought the black sign was a today I learned... ",
"And the 15 year old died first",
"Working class families were bigger because it meant more hands to help with the family business (usually farming). Do you know how back-breaking it is to harvest and bale hay? The more hands you had to help, the faster the work went and the more land you could farm. And if you didn't have enough hands, you asked your neighbors down the road (with an equally large family) if their boy Johnny was available to help harvest and in return, you and your boys would come over and help with your fields when they were done. \n\n\nFamilies in rural areas often relied on each other to survive. After all, many hands make light work. ",
"You can tell that to my niece when you join her in the afterlife.",
"It absolutely floors me how anyone can remain religious after losing 5 kids to disease. Talk about serious brainwashing.",
"That just means you're not aware of regional cuisine in your area, not that your country is uncultured. ",
"It is known.",
"I went to dinner with my boyfriend's old friends and I'm pretty sure i was the only one who believed in vaccines. I was pretty quiet the whole dinner...",
"HVOR",
"Evolution has halted in this area because we artificially defend ourselves from every possible thing. ",
"Used to work at a cemetery. Lot of babies.\n\nEdit: some didn’t have names even. The parents wouldn’t want to “waste” a good name if there was an epidemic. If the kid made it to a few days or weeks they got a name.\n\nMy grandpa, born during the Spanish flu (1918), got his birth certificate at 10 days old.",
"Eyy that's my country, Denmark.\nWhere is this located though, looks kinda familiar?",
"WHY CAN I UNDERSTAND DANISH\n\nI’M AUSTRIAN",
"I simply laughed, read some more, resigned that /u/Micro_Cosmos knew what they signed up for. Is there a subreddit for comments that make us laugh, but maybe shouldn't?",
"This is absolutely tragic.",
"I've been scrolling through comments for about 30min yet. I have not seen anything but circlejerking about vaccines. If you're seeing people talking about difinitive proof that autisim is caused by vaccines you must be reading comments in a different thread on a different website than me.",
"Caffeine free.",
"I don't know, man. We are finding out that he didn't do the things that he was credited with. Let's not forget about his Russian friend, Boris. It's possible that Balto was working with Putin - I mean Boris - to manipulate the media and sway public opinion. \n\nI can't help but think about what else he didn't do or what has been covered up. I can't trust him.",
"yeah I've noticed that r/atheism is very protective of Islam as well.",
" Fitting username",
"Oh my God this is literally the perfect time to reply with \"what is love baby don't hurt me\" ",
"How about you actually read the sign next to them? They died of diphtheria, you idiot.",
"Oh u ded",
"I assume that if you ever get surgery, you'll elect to remain awake the whole time? Because anesthetics are an actual thing you shoot into your body! Also every immunologist in the world recommends the vaccinations we receive, none say anything about your left pinky. What a stupid example.",
"Damn, that was a crazy week in July of 1903 for the Larsens",
"I don't agree. We do this for all sorts of things. You must have a license to drive, your car must be safetied, there are safety laws for our buildings, people are forced to wear seat belts, there are regulations about food preparation for businesses. It would be very easy to require people to be vaccinated, otherwise we give financial penalties, just like other things.",
"What risks are we ignoring in your opinion? ",
"People wrongfully assume that if they are smart in one category that means they are smart about everything and therefore they can't be wrong. Admittedly, I've fallen into this mental fallacy before. But I at least understand that you should trust doctors and scientists because they're smarter than I think I am.",
"Really, Reddit? You actually upvoted this over 56K times? Naw...I do not believe this was upvoted by 56K real people.\n\nThis kind of shit on Reddit actually makes me start to believe all the hype about how bad vaccinations are.",
"My family came down with flu over Christmas. After looking after Dad over that period I got it, but very lightly. So I was just a carrier. It was pretty bad for the rest, my Dad has a bad heart so I was pretty worried for him.\r\n\r\nThe news about the new experimental vaccine came to me via BBC Radio 2 and is an Oxbridge development (I can't remember which one) so with any luck there should be some interesting developments in the next few years.\r\n\r\nActually, found the link here:\r\nhttp://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2017-10-03-world-first-trial-universal-flu-vaccine#\r\n\r\nI may have a poor understanding of how this works coming from a quick radio news item. Still, sounds interesting.",
"R.I.P. ",
"Correction: strike \"option\" and insert \"requirement \"\nVaccines are one of (many) examples of great things we've demanded of our government(s). The only places they are not required are the most backwards and dangerous places in the world. If you believe humankind has become an out of control cancer on the planet, I guess it would make sense for you to be anti-vax, but otherwise, I probably don't understand you.",
"That's mainly an American thing.",
"We don’t have a word for people who have had children die before them. We have widow, widower, and orphan, because they have always been a bit unusual. \n\nThe word for someone who had a child die was always just “parent.”",
"I forgot all about Penn and Teller! There goes my day.",
"My family genealogy is fairly detailed, and there are several instances of siblings dying within days of each other. Often buried together to save money.\n\nThere's also the tradition of not naming a baby for several months, or even up to a year, coupled with naming the new baby with the same name as a dead sibling.\n\nMakes for a confusing paper trail...",
"I had a date once and she said that her grandma had 7 kids that all died in a house fire due to a thunderstorm a long time ago (I don't recall asking the specifics). The grandmother went on and had the same amount of kids again and named them the same names in the same order (yes even if the name was for an opposite gender; that's what she named them).\n\nEvery time there was a thunderstorm; she would go into panic mode; gather all the kids and hide somewhere safe until the storm passed.",
">As an American, there's no Constitutional authority for government at any level to be able to legally compel vaccination. I think everyone should. I think it's stupid not to.\n\nthat's not good enough. we're only a few more morons away from a major outbreak of an easily preventable disease that will kill many\n\n>It's worse to empower the state with that kind of control over everyone's life.\n\nit's worse to empower *morons* with control over your life by allowing them to not vaccinate. they are threatening my freedom to live, not the state\n\nthe state is not threatening my life when they compel vaccination\n\nmorons are threatening my life when they don't vaccinate\n\ndo you understand?\n\nyou have this irrational fear of goose stepping nazis kicking in your door and laughing and force vaccinating you in front of your screaming children\n\n*even in that insane fantasy scenario*... how are you harmed? you have a needle prick? poor baby\n\nmeanwhile, if that moron doesn't vaccinate *he will literally kill people*\n\ndo you think that might be the slightly worse threat to your freedom to live?\n\nthe threat you are worried about is a phantom, fake, fantasy, fear-addled nonsense\n\nthe threat i am worried about is real\n\ntell me something, whjo is destroying freedom here?:\n\nhttp://thesciencepost.com/anti-vaccer-loses-fourth-child-to-vaccine-preventable-disease-thanks-god-they-all-avoided-autism/\n\nthe mother is a murderer. she is destroying her children's freeodm to life\n\nshe should be forced, at gunpoint, to vaccinate herself and her kids IN THE NAME OF FREEDOM\n\nshe is the antifreedom one\n\nyou have your definitions backwards",
"The flu is different than a cold. Colds are much more mild than the flu. I know some people will call any sickness the flu in the winter when the common cold is MUCH more prevelant.\n\nAlso, do you have a source on the flu vaccine causing serious negative effects and/or the flu vaccine not working?\n\n(Also, how on earth do you remember your username??) ",
"What's the problem with this post?",
"Oh and as to your hilariously wrong history, the first Crusade began with a mass genocide of Germanic Jews. Try again. ",
"Because I shouldn't have to. It was plain to see. You were so quick to point out that none of them made it to their next birthday that you overlooked the actual purpose of the comment (to correct the ages).",
"Do you know why most people in the US don't have to deal with them today?",
"Someone below translated the sign to the left. They died if diphtheria.",
"My mom said the same thing to me! I refused to take meds and she asked “if you were diabetic would you refuse an insulin shot?”. She really put it into perspective as something physically wrong that could be fixed. No longer on meds and no longer depressed!! ",
"Yeah, coz they've kept the child. Not sure if you can predict whether a child will have autism when the baby still isn't born, IIRC you can't. It's a taboo subject to terminate pregnancies that are known to be deficient, i.e. with down syndrome, etc., but it is happening and I believe nobody is in position to tell people that they should sacrifice their lives to raise a child that is somewhat disabled. I'm talking about down syndrome though, not autism. But I digress. It's different with autism, since you get to grow attached to the child. \n\nThough, I argue that it is better to have a living healthy child, not dead nor with autism. And that I believe is the mindset behind anti-vax movement. It's good that there is such a movement because the conflicts dig out truth, which is usually somewhere in the middle.",
"I understand where you're coming from. People shouldn't be unfairly judged like your mother, and different situations can be rough for some individuals. In her case, she got hit by a freight train of suck, but not every poor person should receive birth control at more wealthy people's expense just because some ended up where they are through bad luck. \n\nNow, I do have to say that it is hard to believe that she is outright disgraced because she's a single mom. My mother was in a similar situation, but she was met with nothing but support, except from my dad (obviously). Funnily enough, your three kids scenario is exactly what it was too. Two of my brothers and I lived with my mother for a period of time after the divorce. \n\nNow that I've typed that horribly paced mess, I'll answer the first question. He is actually very independent. He pays his own bills and everything. He just knows how to spend his money responsibly. The only thing he doesn't have going for him is that he has no savings account. He just doesn't have the education for a well paying job. I'm sorry if I may have offended you with my previous comment. My only language is sarcastic buttface. ",
"I went to school with an autistic kid. Started out at age 5/6 quite nice, bit odd but sweet.\nBy 10/11 not only had the uncontrollable rage start he had GROWN . He was basically the size of a large 16 year old, and had both height and bulk behind him.\n\nThere was absolutely no way a teacher could hold him back, and if he went for you, you were going home with a black eye.\n\nHe went onto a special secondary school..because how is it fair to expect the kids to live in fear and the teachers to try and deal with that?",
"They kind of missed the mark with that but I blame English in general. The love you have for your child is not the same love you have for your spouse but we classify it under the same term. They are still dumb.",
"I'm with you on vaccines, but where you draw the line is a difficult philosophical issue, even if everyone could agree on principles.\n\na burgeoning segment of the left believes that you shouldn't be able to say things that offend people, based on the premise that emotional harm can be real harm. which isn't entirely untrue, but is most certainly bullshit. ",
"BBC Radio reporting on an Oxbridge development, so pretty good sources.\r\n\r\nHere it is:\r\nhttp://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2017-10-03-world-first-trial-universal-flu-vaccine#\r\n\r\nLikely my understanding of how this works is nonsense (coming from a short radio news article) but it still seems very interesting.",
"People are getting dumber and dumber.\n\nI just hope they forget how to reproduce as well.",
"I'd just like to take this opportunity to send out a hearty FUCK YOU FUCK OFF GO FUCK YOURSELVES to every historically illiterate idiot anti-vaxer out there who likes to pretend that shit like this didn't use to be normal life. \n\nGo get hit by a bus. ",
"Gross. I'm converting.",
"Its the parents of the unvaccinated who will suffer most. It sucks to be sick but it sucks more if you're the one who was responsible for your own child's debilitating or fatal illness and you have to live with that fact the rest of your pitiful life.",
"Too bad immortality of the soul isn't even a biblical teaching, let alone a scientific one.",
"Now with 50% less salvation",
"Uuuuugh I’m the worst adult ever. But....how often do adult truly get those boostered? ",
"That shit fucks me up, the thought of being the lone survivor of what was once a big, thriving family. How do you even get up in the morning and have your cup of coffee at a table that was once ringed all the way around by your laughing children?",
"- Every parent, ever. ",
"That doesn't mean we don't over vaccinate now",
"I thought this looked familiar. I am almost certain that this tombstone is not in Hedensted, but in the very small city of Vesterlund (close to Hedensted). My grandparents are buried there. For more information about this family seems to be here (in Danish)\n\nhttps://www.stoltze-saltoft.dk/getperson.php?personID=I501050&tree=1",
"I have two kids, and losing one would destroy me, losing both.... I can’t even imagine, and this family lost 5 in under a week. :(",
"That's why people are so pissed off at anti-vaxers, because not everyone CAN get vaccines. I'm not trying to correct you, just reassuring you that you are right and that the vast majority of people understand this and agree with you. The only people we call \"selfish pieces of shit\" are those that choose to not vaccinate.",
"The fuck happened in July of 1903?!",
"I can see why you're still in kindergarten. ",
"more educated parents are less likely to vaccinate and their children are less likely to get sick though",
"Source?",
"Still common practice not to officially name your kid until 100 days. I lived in Seoul 2006-2009. Some good eating at those 100 day parties!\n\nI just find it so weird in the US that people have big parties announcing the name/gender of their unborn child, and have \"funerals\" and memorials for stillborns, grieving as if their child had had a full life. Infant mortality is still real.\n\nThose statistics we read that in the ancient world the average life expectancy was 40 are based on incredibly high infant mortality within the first 12 months. Plenty of people lived to be 70+ years. If they survived childhood.",
"I don't think you should get vaccines my dad did once, now his house is haunted. You're angering the spirits of those who've suffered. \n(I wish there was a sarcastic font, something like bold or italics to symbolize sarcastic statements)",
"Er det i danmark?",
"Yeah no. I keep my comments away from family/friends unless they manage to do something to really get under my skin. my department had a guy set his petstore on fire to get the insurance pay out a long time ago, and then the fuck has the audacity to run two of the guys from my department over pretending to be in a panic. Needless to say the local cops just happened to be dealing with something while the guy tripped and fell down the steps in front of his shop. (He got away with the insurance fraud too, and still owns a petstore in the exact same spot.) ",
"Problems are always relative. I used to get upset at taking too long for installing a faucet, then I reno'd a bathroom including tub. Then I was mad at that, but then a relatives basement flooded from a burst pipe. Then I was mad at that until I had to repair a foundation.\n\nNow I only get mad at finishing walls. Because fuck that shit is hard. ",
"Sure. Which disease did she die of?",
"Well, I was saying people had more complicated reasons than just being a stupid person. As in, for varying reasons. They don't have to be equivalent reasons. I didn't really feel like that needed to be expressed, but I'm sure you have your own complicated reasons.",
"Sadly that's probably brutally true to some of them. Happy cake day. ",
"It's not \"for your own good.\" It's for everyone else's. Just like driving drunk isn't illegal because it could be bad for the drunk driver. Do you think drunk driving laws are a case of government overstepping?",
"I wonder if the reason there doesn't seem to be as big an anti-vax movement in the UK is because the costs of medicines for sick people is capped and it's harder to see 'Big Pharma' as something really sinister.",
"You all can blame Opera for allowing Jenny McCarthy to share her thoughts.",
"This made my day. My autism strength is growing! ",
"Are you sure you got the flu but not a bad cold?",
"I'm am all for vaccinating, but I would really like to see a level headed argument for being against vaccinating.\n\nI mean there has to be at least SOME legitimate reasoning for such a big movement doesn't there?",
"Fuck people who think that vaccines are bad. I don't think they realize what times were like before them.",
"that's obviously wrong. what do you do if there's not enough bread for everyone?\n\nthere is need to codify a system to figure out that sort of problem. ",
"This is heartbreaking. Does anyone know anything about what happened to the Larsens afterwards? Did they have any more children?",
"A City upon a Hill!",
"Dissmissing the dummys who hate on vaccines alltogether, there is a very important distinction for promoting the use of vaccines (ie education) and for promoting the forced use of vaccines. I personally know many people who fully vaccinate their kids but are in horror that it ever be forced on them at the threat of having their kids taken away, jailed, fined or penalized in any way for following their own self determination.",
"My cubicle used to be across the aisle in the office from an anti-vaxxer. She also didn't believe in using real household products, just water to clean her kitchen and bathroom, etc. Her medicine for everything was all herbal stuff. (I can understand using herbal tea to alleviate symptoms of a common cold and stuff, but I'm talking *everything*, like ear infections and tonsillitis, without going to a doctor). \n\nThe week her three kids had chicken pox, I was scared shitless. I was nearly 30 at the time and had never had them. She didn't pass them on to me in the end, but every time she needed me to process something (like a physical document... that I had to touch), I was more nervous than a whore in church.",
"My sister has a child with autism, and she periodically makes pro-vaccine comments on her page and in response to anti-vaxxers posting that amount to “even if vaccines caused autism I’d do it again... better to be autistic than dead”\n\nProud of her. ",
"I think you're looking for r/Prematurecelebration/",
"you don't win arguments by changing the topic\n\n\"marijuana can't be legal because somebody thinks heroin or meth should be legal\"\n\n\"gays can't marry because then somebody will marry a horse or a dead person\"\n\nare those valid arguments? of course not\n\nit's the slipper slope fallacy",
"So we can blame our population problem on vaccinations.....",
"You guessed wrong. I still don't see your point. ",
"I read this as vacation instead of vaccination. Whoops!",
"Fun fact: there's a swear word in Polish from that epidemic. Cholera jastna. Essentially a form of 'damn it'.",
"Well then the vaccines caused them to be stupid, so ha, checkmate pro vaxxers!",
"So people shouldn’t go out for their whole life, in case they got lightning struck? Anything has the possibility to go south, and the possibility has decreased due to scientific improvements. They could’ve end up die because of the disease anyways, and drag others with them in the process. It’s selfish to risk all the people around just to feel safe temporary. I do believe that the vaccines can be improved to prevent things like this, but to say vaccinations are bad, that’s just being ignorant.",
"No. You go to your doctor and test for fucking allergies first. Then make a smart decision based on the results. You don't just blindly go about saying \"fuck it all, it can't happen twice!\"\n\nSick fucks.",
"It's interesting, too, that kids are now being vaccinated for less severe illnesses that their parents actually dealt with. I had chicken pox when I was 5. I'm sure it was miserable, and worse for my mom, who had to stay home from work that week while I was out of school. But I barely remember it, and it doesn't seem that bad to me. So if I decide to skip that vaccine for my (hypothetical) children, the risk in my mind is only mild inconvenience. Worse with the flu vaccine, because so many people still get the flu after being vaccinated. That one seeks very avoidable.\n\nSo for someone that's never experienced the mumps or diphtheria or polio (and was not old enough during my grandparents' lifetime to hear about their experiences with those diseases), they don't feel like real threats. And it's extremely easy to underestimate how serious they would be if they came back.\n\nEdit: I should specify that I am FOR vaccination. I do not have children, but if I did, I would vaccinate them without hesitation. My point in making this post is to highlight the fact that, as a society, we've been living with the benefits of vaccination for so long that it's easy for parents today to overlook the seriousness of the things we're vaccinating *for*. The only experience my generation has had with the illnesses we vaccinate for is mild inconvenience, except in very rare circumstances. When our kids get sick, we expect them to recover. Better education would be helpful: if the schools require vaccinations, as they should, it would be good for them to teach us about the vaccinations we receive and what life was like before them.",
"http://c8.alamy.com/comp/JJF615/1940s-original-old-vintage-advertisement-advertising-immunisation-JJF615.jpg",
"The point was just that Trump's statement was late to the party, and that people like McArthy (and anyone who have her or anti vaxxers a platform) are likely far more to blame than Trump supporting it. ",
"> Now I try and be a little more respectful, while also telling her how dumb being anti-vaxx is.\n\nDon't. These people don't deserve any amount of respect.",
"Getting a stubborn relative to realise they have a problem (any problem) is incredibly hard. Be it depression, an illness, alcoholism etc. If he won’t see anyone by himself then you could say that you feel you need to see a couples therapist. Say that you love him but you’re struggling and ask him if he could come with you to a therapist for you. Maybe speak to the therapist in advance to suggest you think he’s an undiagnosed depressive. I think most good therapists will want to speak to you both separately after the first meeting and that might be when he realises, from the words of a stranger.",
"And nobody other than raving conspiracy theorists is concerned about it.",
"Well at least she wasn't autistic!\n\n/s",
"“At least they didn’t die autistic, eh guys?”/s edit: the /s because the quotation marks apparently weren’t enough",
"I almost downvoted you because I was mad ",
"The father seemed to have been a teacher, so that also kinda adds a few",
"Based on the age of your account, it's no wonder why that would scare you!",
"Discussing typical use would mean we would be getting into a discussion of human psychology during intercourse which is wildly different from person to person, and their knowledge of how the pullout method works. I don't want to discuss that. I alredy said that most pregnancies from the pullout method are because of human error (not physiology). Do you disagree with that? I really am not advocating the use of the pullout method as a solo-form of birth control in the 21st century. I am simply stating that 10 to term pregnancies with the use of it correctly is pretty unlikely to occur. Yes, it is an important distinction that incorrect use brings its effectiveness down to around 80% from 96%.\n\n\n>Improper/Typical use of pullout goes down to 78% effectiveness vs 86% effectivenes. \n\nQuoting myself, I don't really think I ignored it. That wasn't the intention.",
"Believe it or not, there is an even stupider argument being made against vaccines than the autism \"risk\", especially by one Redditor in particular ( u/soldier4christ82 ). He argues that nobody should be allowed to tell a parent what they should put into their child's body, and that vaccines are tantamount to rape. Rape you ask?!?? Yes, because apparently a vaccine-filled needle is a foreign object, and anytime a \"foreign object\" is inserted into a child against their will (because yeah, children are afraid of needles and cry in protest), then that is the same as a forcible rape. SMH ...",
"Yeah now they just end up with autism ",
"RIP",
"it was true to life, and probably comforted a lot of women. ",
"Hey! It was natural, organic and GMO-free. It has to be good! /s\n\nSeriously, though, fuck anti-vaxxers!",
"the only valid restriction on freedom is somebody else's freedom\n\nright\n\nand...\n\nyour freedom to not be vaccinated does not exist because of my freedom to live\n\ndo you understand?\n\nall freedoms are limited, organically, by other people's freedoms, not by goose stepping nazis. govt doesn't even figure into it. govt only exists, ideally, because some morons and assholes won't respect other people's freedoms, and they need to force compliance. which is NOT antifreedom when govt does that. there is no such thing as infringing on the \"freedom\" of the stupid and malicious to be irresponsible\n\n",
"Lol I feel sorry for the people that are forced to listen to you in real life. ",
"Pertussis.",
"But what was its purpose in the vaccination then? Surely it needs a purpose otherwise it would just be removed to save money?",
"Obviously it is causing complacency, based on your reaction. And vaccinations aren't magic bullets, all they do is expose your body to an antigen so that it can prepare an adaptive immune response which can be immediately triggered if it ever encounters that pathogen again, so it can still cause relatively mild symptoms or even full-blown illness if your immune system is compromised. Speaking of which, some people with immune diseases can't get vaccinated, they deserve to not be put at risk by other people's stupid choices. Getting measles when vaccinated is better than getting it when unvaccinated, but it's best to not be exposed to the wild-type virus at all.",
"Unless they're pushing you not to vaccinate, it's not really your problem. People are free to believe whatever stupid shit they want. That said, if you have children, I wouldn't let them hang around with your friends' children, as a precaution.",
"You're bad at this.",
"Bribery is the best way to get kids to get their shots. Source, am parent, am bribery master. ",
"At least they weren't autistic... *checkmate\n\nEdit: /s",
"Being sheep made them stupid, vaccines kept them from losing limbs to meningitis ;)",
"> your freedom to not be vaccinated does not exist because of my freedom to live\n> \n> \n> \n> do you understand?\n\nI understand, but disagree. Not vaccinating doesn't kill you for sure, not even likely.\n> i assert to you with complete conviction: you don't have a functional valid definition of freedom in your words\n\nlol I think the exact same thing about you. You completely contradict yourself when you say \"not allowing drunk driving is not anti-freedom\" and then \"we restrict certain freedoms to prioritize others\". So not allowing drunk driving is anti-freedom-to-drive-drunk. You are the one who is not consistent with your definition of freedom.",
"Oh wow, that really blows... I'm the opposite, I look like a bear at age 20 and nobody has a clue of where that came from. My condolences :(",
"> it’s autistic\n\nI’m going to guess you’re an expert on the subject. ",
"I just went to the wiki and even in 2015 it said 2100 deaths and over 4000 people infected.\nWith how far we've come medically it saddens me that some people CAN'T get proper medical treatment at the same time people CHOOSE not to get proper medical treatment. ",
"Absolutely. Good thing we didn’t mind surprises! Now we’ve gone the vasectomy route :) ",
"That’s fucking heartbreaking. I can’t even imagine what it must be like to lose five kids ages 2 to 15 in the span of just a few days.",
"> So it's become the modern version of the trolley problem\n\nLiterally what I thought as I wrote this. I'm glad that point got across.\n\nAnd yes, another big contributing factor is people simply being unaware of just how many terrible illnesses that vaccines prevent. That, or thinking that the diseases and the chances of getting them are blown out of proportion. \"Polio is almost unheard of in most countries\" turns into \"Polio must not be as widespread and scary as they say\", instead of \"Vaccines are directly responsible for stopping this disease\". ",
"I wouldn't say it wasn't a huge deal, I think people just had more resilience for crises back then. In modern days, there's a lot of crises, mainly death, that we're just not accustomed to, so when they happen we find them debilitating. Back then you grieved, then you compartmentalized, and then you went on with your responsibilities. My great-grandmother lost a child when she went into labor while home alone, and when my great-grandfather returned the baby was already dead. I know from her diaries how hard that was for her, and she never forgot that baby. But she had 6 other children, the Depression was happening, and they had a farm to maintain, so she picked herself up and continued on with running her household. ",
"Yes should or right ",
"Flouride turns you into a gay frog, not autistic. ",
"You clearly are. ",
"Honest question, why didn’t the parents get sick?",
"Luckily chances of getting it are still really low or anti vaxxers would be losing kids at a rate that'd make them reconsider all their lifes choices uo to that point and beyond. Your son'll be fine, especially with a parent that cares like you.",
"i'm talking ideally and informally. obviously it's more complicated with resource allocation, you're changing the topic",
"I thought it was because of having sex with no reliable birth control. ",
"At least one crappy one... ",
"> aren't doing this for selfish reasons. \n\nbut...\n\n> illusion of control\n\nIt is for selfish reasons. In the end, for these people, it is all about \"*my* children, *my* feelings, *my* social circles\" regardless of how many *other* people's children they are threatening with life-ending diseases. ",
"I was joking....",
"Thanks for the info!",
"245 is not particularly abnormal",
"I have a friend who went on and on about how dangerous vaccines are on FB. Several posts a week. I think he's a pretty nice guy, and otherwise pretty well-informed. We all have our own weaknesses, but one day I had enough and posted a differing opinion.\n\nThe result was that other people he knew started speaking up, including one family member who called him out as a hypocrite. Apparently, he had required his family to get vaccinated before visiting his newborn.",
"haaa",
"we were talking about His ultimate plan and why we have been able to be born in a time like this when literally our grandparents were in HELL. It doesn't really make sense to me but i know it's all part of the plan, perhaps we couldn't live in a time like this without suffering some first",
"I've talked to some people who proudly let everyone know they're anti-vaxxers. That usually isn't the only thing they do, where they have zero understanding of the underlying mechanics and immense trust on any random piece of \"evidence\" they can find online. Besides, there's so many that not every one of them can be wrong, right?",
"diet deist ",
"Not the best analogy, but if somebody with aids ignores their aids and sleeps with people anyway, then they do get thrown in jail. When it comes to law, ignorance isn't an excuse.",
"Notice also the small placard noting a what I surmise is a child born and died in December that year.",
"Can somewhat confirm that the immune system gets weaker after having the measles. My \"childhood diseases\" list goes chicken pox, measles (I was sick a lot so the docs couldn't give me the me in time) then SURPRISE chicken pox again! No, the first case wasn't super mild or anything, my immune system was so worn out and I was so weak from the measles that I got it again. Still remember how horrible the measles was and my mom would tell you it was just about the worst thing she had ever been through as a parent.",
"Spot on with the compartmentalization comment. \n I’d like to add that today is not common to even know one person with 5 kids that close together let alone knowing a family that buried 3 last year. \nIt wasn’t uncommon to hear about families/neighbors that you knew personally having had to bury 3 of the youngest after a harsh winter or bad spread of disease. \n\nThis was a type of macabre normalization. We see it now in families in syria and other war-ravaged countries that stare blankly into the camera and explain how they are the last member of their family to survive the most recent attack. We as humans are amazing at adapting to trauma and tragedy, even if it requires becoming numb. ",
"the topic is freedom and harm. I brought up a fringe example where the claim of harm is asserted to curtail the freedom of others. this was an example in popular culture where there is disagreement. \n\nyou brought up examples that have nothing to do with the topic at hand, which is what you're complaining about.\n\nMy only assertion was that the line between freedom and harm is a difficult philosophical issue. do you disagree with my assertion? \n\nweird. ",
"You're out here speaking for a lot of people, acting like everyone thinks the way you do.\n\nJust fyi, in my personal experience, most people who think that everyone thinks they way they do are usually wrong.",
"That is terrifying. She should be fired for putting the companies other employees at risk.",
"I've had 2 miscarriages both were very early on. I didn't even know that I was pregnant when it happened and it still tears me up inside. I can't even imagine the pain if I lost one of my boys. It's crazy to think about how common it was to lose children especially so many at once. It's also crazy to think that we come from a long line of survivors. People that managed to beat the odds and had children that grew up to have children despite everything and that's why we are here today.",
"The sad thing is, I wouldn't be surprised if there are people who actually believe this. ",
"Mother of autistic son here - I’d give ALMOST anything for him to be normal.... but I wouldn’t give his life and that of his 4 siblings like whoever the wretched soul was who paid for that headstone.",
"Congratulations on your family. I am sure you are all wonderful 😊",
"Man, I'm so confused about vaccines. I've never been vaccinated (with the exception of like 2), and I'm healthy and never get sick. Then I hear about how dangerous it is to not get vaccines. I also don't like the idea of a live virus being injected into somebody, but it helps. Fuck. ",
"The argument is that it's moral to abort a fetus (which can be debated on whether it is technically a \"human life\" yet if it's never had consciousness) if it has severe mental retardation or other extreme genetic deficiencies such as Downs, as it's immoral to create a life that is basically just suffering for not only the individual but its caretakers.\n\nYour syntax doesn't seem like you're a native English speaker, maybe there are cultural differences that are influencing your point of view.\n\nI would suggest looking into technological advances into prenatal gene editing and understand the breadth of the moral issues we're on the cusp of entering as a species.\n\nEither way, even if you meant downs, that's a huge derail of the original thread, so just take the L.",
"I'm 26 and I haven't gotten any shots/vaccinations in the last ten years, am I about to be riddle with diseases?",
"You're a terrible ignorant person. Google Dunning Kruger and then reevaluate your life. ",
"what you said is true only if *everyone else is vaccinating*\n\nso you're defining a parasite: irresponsible behavior that works only because everyone else is responsible\n\nif everyone acted like the freeloading parasite, no vaccination, then diseases would be raging and kids would be dying constantly\n\nso you're not advocating for freedom\n\nyour words are advocating for being an irresponsible freeloader on everyone else\n\nnot vaccinating doesn't automatically kill *because enough people vaccinate*\n\nwhen enough people don't vaccinate, a regular death cull of tens to hundreds of thousands a year is a certainty\n\nagain:\n\nyou're not articulating a valid freedom-loving philosophy\n\nyou're articulating the rationale of the freeloading parasite\n",
"http://www.globalresearch.ca/mass-sterilization-kenyan-doctors-find-anti-fertility-agent-in-un-tetanus-vaccine/5431664\n\n",
"It’s because those f**kin’ idiots read an article on Google and all of the sudden they think they’re smarter than all of the Medical Community ever. I assume it comes from their complete lack of self-awareness, self control or actual want to be good parents. The lack any ability to make good life choices or more decisions and blame the world for it. These are parents that scream at their kids in public trying to portray themselves as good, consistent parents that actually set boundaries and properly discipline their brats.\nWe definitely have to speak up because it’s our job to protect & speak for our children and “village” when the idiots try to kill us all. I look at them as potential murderers and how vigilant we would be in those circumstances.",
"Let me make sure I got this straight: you're pro vaccine, but you're saying that you can understand people rejecting proven science that is backed by countless experiments, findings, and scientists because of a wild conspiracy theory that hasn't a shred of evidence to back it up like \"they're going to use the vaccinations as a front to put microchips in us.\" I've got news for you: the government already has a microchip in every single one of our pockets, it's called a smartphone. ",
"Sverige?",
"It's called /s and it's use is to protect you from downvotes ",
"Downs and autism are not even remotely the same thing rofl",
"Wife and I lost our twins a week after being born .. appreciate your time together and let things go",
"At least they didn't have autism.",
"What are you doing here?!? Get back to UWorld! /s",
"I think it's hard to understand the small closed world view of people like this if you tend to see the beautiful things in life, like you seem to do. \n \nMuch love to you and yours.",
"That's the funniest shit ",
"The experience of loss is not diminished by the surviving children. \n\nThe death rate has not been decreased by a lower birth rate. \n\nParents who have lost children are still on a different level. There are just less of them. Thank God for modern medicine. ",
"Dead kids everywhere ",
"why are the dates all mixed up ? ",
"Same, from a Vikings fan 😭",
"WHO actually have a page on how to deal with people arguing that vaccinations cause X, Y and Z and are terrible. Essentially it's just \"Keep Calm and Quote Real Science.\"",
"Same here. My dad said that his grandmother (first generation immigrant) lost so many newborns and had so many miscarriages she lost count. Most of them didn't even have names. It was just part of being a parent.",
":/",
"> with every vaccine I get not only do I spite the idiots who don't understand herd immunity, according to them I might like\n\nholy shit, where do you live that you have to deal with these people everyday? and not just deal with them, it sounds like they are just giving you shit whether you want to hear it or not?\n\n\nim very curious where this is, there must be some kind of medical privacy laws\n",
"Cool.",
"me: But--\n\nWebMD: ALSO YOU'RE PREGNANT\n\nme: *Fuck!*",
"In my experience they’re kind of like vegans ",
"People are stronger than they can ever imagine. ",
"That is absolutely terrifying...",
"How did you manage to spell cite wrong in two different ways?",
"So “bliver hos mig.” means “hates me”?",
">when science like vaccines is considered propaganda",
"That movie was my childhood. I think I wore out my VHS tape watching it so much!",
"Let's be honest, how many have you ever met? Let's see... my parents, my extended family and everyone I knew growing up. Turns out being raised in an evangelical household leaves people with some pretty heavy baggage if they don't believe in your fairy tales.\n\nPlease srop minimizing the role religion plays in people's lives. Your life experience is not representative of everyone's, not by a long shot. \n\nWhy is it such a big deal that some people believe in God? There are several reasons, but here are two:\n\n1. people kill each other over it, and have been for thousands of years. Yeah, the low hanging fruit is Islamic extremists, but it's also Christian Americans. That book says \"thou shalt not kill\" but the military isn't handing out lollipops, oddly they do have priests tho. \n\n2. When you believe that someone else has all the power and can do anything at all, it may make you feel comfortable about being unable to fix your own problems, but it also takes away your personal accountability for them. The premise of this thread is a good example: why worry about vaccines, God will take care of me. Any time people turn to God to help them, they are leaving every actually productive option on the table and going with the fallacy That makes them feel good but fixes nothing. *That* is why God is a problem.\n\nGod is a concept by which we measure our pain.",
"Vaccines. Kill. \nIt is a fact 👏👏",
"The 5th was a good day",
"No Europe, I’d consider 13:00 to at around half the day. ",
"No. I'm saying physically forcing someone to get vaccinated at gunpoint is wrong. If people don't wanna vaccinate, fine, but keep them away from the rest of us.",
"At least they didn't get autism /s",
"Next, they’re going to say the goose was never there, too!",
"Just checked up on the parents. They had 16 children. 8 of them died before turning 18. \nLars H. Larsen and his wife Emilie lived to the age of 80 and 84. They were both teachers \nat four different schools in Jutland, Denmark. And they got to see 8 of their children die, but \nalso got to see 8 of their children grow up to adulthood. \nhttps://www.stoltze-saltoft.dk/getperson.php?personID=I501050&tree=1",
"At no point in that video does Penn insult anybody, let alone aggressively.",
"We don't.\n",
"Well even here where birth control is more or less free and abortion actually is free. Poor people are still having a lot of kids that they can't afford.\n\n\n&nbsp;\n\nNot long ago there was a family with 12 kids on a small beat down farm. None of the parents had jobs, and they were in the news because there were some child support changes so that you could only get child support for set amount of kids.They each got about 2000$ each in welfare and that is not including the child support. They complained that with the new rules they could not afford all their bills. That said, they were smoking a pack each a day. Had 2 cars because \"they needed it\" and they were basically just parasite to society.\n\n\n&nbsp;\n\nIf you ask me people like that should have taken their right to have kids away. But that's a human right.\n\n\nHowever i think it's fair to say that you can only get child support for 2 kids. That way you can have 2 kids, but if you want more. It might be expensive. If that is not fair. I don't know what is.",
"i disagree completely\n\nyou're not articulating a valid freedom-loving philosophy\n\nyou're articulating the rationale of the freeloading parasite\n\nthere is no harm when a few people don't vaccinate if *everyone else is vaccinating*\n\nso you're defining a parasite: irresponsible behavior that works only because everyone else is responsible\n\nif everyone acted like the freeloading parasite, no vaccination, then diseases would be raging and kids would be dying constantly\n\nso you're not advocating for freedom\n\nyour words are advocating for being an irresponsible freeloader on everyone else, a subset of parasitical behavior on top of other people's behavior, rather than a valid philosophy in and of itself\n\nnot vaccinating doesn't automatically kill *because enough people vaccinate*\n\nwhen enough people don't vaccinate, a regular death cull of tens to hundreds of thousands a year is a certainty\n\nthe harm is certain\n",
"Togo, or not Togo, that is the question.",
"Did parents back then try not to get too attached to their kids? Geez",
"I agree it's not a great analogy. But I feel it does show an all or nothing solution to these kinds of issues is a bad path to go down.",
"i wonder how come we never hear of animals dying off in plagues like this though, does this stuff target humans moreso than say tigers?",
"The real hero here",
"Who said anything about gunpoint???",
"We do",
"Yeah, my mother was a high school dropout that married my father at 17. Had a few kids by 21. The same year dad left. My grandfather died the next year and we didnt talk to my grandmother. We literally had no one. We lived in my mothers ford escort hatchback. She worked 2 jobs. With no education, she was very limited in her choices. So she was a secretary and a waitress. Busted her ass. In the early 80s, it wasnt easy for a single uneducated mother. \n\nEventually we got an apartment and on our feet. For the first 10 years or so, i remember the looks wed get in the supermarket for breaking out foodstamps. Its about being disgraced for being a young single mom that needed assistance to feed her kids. There was no issue of not affording birth control, but im sure plenty of folks thought it. \n\nAnd i disagree about the wealthy not helping the less fortunate or down and out. I now own 2 businesses, tattoo shops. Opening a 3rd. Im fairly well off. Own some houses and land and cars and shit. I would never in a million years, be able to look at myself in the mirror, if i didnt want to voluntarily help others with my money. The selfishness of the statement \"but not every poor person should receive birth control at more wealthy people's expense just because some ended up where they are through bad luck.\" Is just beyond my ability to reason against my humanity. \n\nSince i have some money, all i want to do is make sure the less fortunate are taken care of. Whether thats birth control, chemo, food, christmas toy drives...i dont care. Id rather die than be that person that wants to save a couple hundred bucks a year while poor folks suffer without medicines or outlets they need. If i have to pay a couple thousand, shit, if you take half my pay every year, to make sure less fortunate americans can have medical coverage, ill throw my money at you. Selfishness is a cancer in america. Even if we are selfish fucks, we should never let that selfishness leach into making sure others are medically taken care of. National healthcare should be a natural state. But capitalist selfishness and a mine mentality is destroying this wonderful country. ",
"I think you left out the worst parts. The part you quoted makes it sound like not much worse than the flu. \n\n> Within two to three days, diphtheria may destroy healthy tissues in the respiratory system. The dead tissue forms a thick, gray coating that can build up in the throat or nose. This thick gray coating is called a “pseudomembrane.” It can cover tissues in the nose, tonsils, voice box, and throat, making it very hard to breathe and swallow. Symptoms can also include cardiac arrhythmias, myocarditis, and cranial and peripheral nerve palsies.\n\n> Abnormal cardiac rhythms can occur early in the course of the illness or weeks later, and can lead to heart failure. Diphtheria can also cause paralysis in the eye, neck, throat, or respiratory muscles. Patients with severe cases are put in a hospital intensive care unit and given a diphtheria antitoxin. Since antitoxin does not neutralize toxin that is already bound to tissues, delaying its administration is associated with an increase in mortality risk. Therefore, the decision to administer diphtheria antitoxin is based on clinical diagnosis, and should not await laboratory confirmation.\n\nAlso, from the CDC:\n\n> The case-fatality rate for diphtheria has changed very little during the last 50 years. The overall case-fatality rate for diphtheria is 5%–10%, with higher death rates (up to 20%) among persons younger than 5 and older than 40 years of age. Before there was treatment for diphtheria, the disease was fatal in up to half of cases.",
"I read it as vacationing and was confused for a few minutes. How does no vacationing kill kids? ",
">that's not good enough.\n\nThat's not up to you.\n\n>we're only a few more morons away from a major outbreak of an easily preventable disease that will kill many\n\nAre you vaccinated?\n\n>>it's worse to empower morons with control over your life by allowing them to not vaccinate. they are threatening my freedom to live, not the state\n\nYou have an unsurprisingly narrow view of history.\n\n>you have this irrational fear of goose stepping nazis kicking in your door and laughing and force vaccinating you in front of your screaming children\n\nIn your comment you just advocated \"she should be forced, at gunpoint, to vaccinate herself and her kids\"\n\nThe fear isn't so irrational.\n\n>the mother is a murderer. \n\nThe mother is fictional.\n\nYou didn't vet your source.\n\nCome on, they also published this article.\n\nhttp://thesciencepost.com/proctologist-examine-trumps-shithole-part-follow-medical/",
"The only opinion I'm trying to push is that there should be less dead kids.\n\nAnd where the fuck did I claim America was any good? I was just pointing out that just because you can't read what's in the image doesn't mean no one else can.",
"Now you know why religion is so popular.",
"https://youtu.be/LYjqm9HIGtQ",
"On the other hand, they were dogs with no concept of legacy or credit for past deeds, so who really cares?",
"Fixed. Thanks",
"that's not even autism, austistic people can be very good with logic.\n\n\nthat's just plain old retardation. ",
"ooh whens the funeral?",
"Ugh for real. If youre a parent, dont fall for every article that pops up on Facebook. Your kids arent going to \"catch autism\", vaccinate them.",
"I have a friend who suffers from severe PTSD. He didn't do anything about it for years because that was essentially the military way. It got as bad as it could get. His wife found a group (basically two guys) who came to his house and talked with him at his level. They had the same experiences and training, they showed him how the training (or lack of) had failed him. He respected them because of their similar background and ultimately he got help. Now he's the one out helping others. Short story, maybe he needs someone who he will relate to. Another guy who has suffered loss maybe. Hopefully someone he might respect.",
"My original point? Forcing someone to be injected with any and everything is wrong. Thats why its dangerous to make it mandatory, but for us smart people who do vaccinate, just keep the antis away",
"Don't worry, there is only one (so-called) developed country on earth where people are dumb enough to believe that drinking tide pod and not vaccinating their children is ok.\nSurvival of the fittest - or rather the smartest here.",
"Yes.",
"Oh, when I glanced over this title I thought it said “This is what happens when vacation wasn’t an option” ",
"And also birth control. Jesus fucking Christ get off her for five minutes already",
"I’m unemployed because I got so sick over the summer I almost died. I went from making enough to comfortably live a modest life with my wife and own a vehicle. I’m still unemployed except without the healthcare. And yet, I’m somehow able to survive without being angry at others or wishing death to myself. \n\nPerhaps all you need is a little perspective on these things to be able to move forward and bring a smile to your grumpy face. ",
"Thanks for the excerpt! Fascinating stuff. Also, I won't look at dogs the same way again... ",
"Speaking for those of us who have studied vaccinations and the human physiology thoroughly, it’s important to realize that different vaccinations at different times early in life present completely different arguments to the vaccine/antivaccine bs everyone “knows” so much about. It’s not always as simple as buzzfeed makes it seem. That being said, like everything else, there are times vaccines are necessitated and times they are abused.",
"It's a dead virus. If a live virus was put in, you'd get the sickness more than likely. ",
"Donald Trump?\n\nE: :(",
"Jacksonville let the whole nation down. ",
"CHECK MATE ATHEISTS!\n\nOh wait..",
"Tbf most people on reddit are american and christianity is the largest religion there. So if you are coming from christianity but became an atheist it makes sense that those people would bash the things they are more familiar with. ",
"No that's regular atheist. Militant atheists aren't regular atheists. They're nutters.",
"I just figure there are so many of them. There have to be a few level headed people that have OK reasoning for their view. Hearing that reasoning would be really interesting, IMO.\n\nBut it's totally possible for that reasoning just to not exist as well.",
" It bothers me when someone says \"it kills no fucking one today\" when it is still very much a problem in many poorer areas of the world. It feels like a dismissal of whole groups of people because they aren't our direct neighbors. \n\nHere's a map that highlights it a bit better:\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diphtheria#/media/File:Diphtheria_world_map_-_DALY_-_WHO2004.svg\n\nYeah, vaccines have been kicking Diphtheria's ass, but to dismiss it as a solved problem is a disservice to those who are still very much affected by it. Sure, 2100 is a very small number of people in the grand scheme of things, but it is 2100 deaths from a super preventable cause, and that's really disturbing.",
"> so you're not advocating for freedom\n> \n> \n> \n> your words are advocating for being an irresponsible freeloader on everyone else\n\nWrong. I am advocating for freedom. I'm advocating for the freedom to be a \"freeloading parasite\" if you don't want to inject something into your body that you don't understand.\n\n> when enough people don't vaccinate, a regular death cull of tens to hundreds of thousands a year is a certainty\n\nAnd that would be a tragedy and horrible. But I'd still support every individual's freedom to choose to take a medication or not.",
"Love how you're telling someone who is majoring in history that they're wrong. Try harder. Know who else slaughtered jews? Muslims. More often and more numbers. But that takes away from your anti-christian peepee boner dunnit?",
"Vaccines save lives, lessen the impact of epidemics and help eradicate debilitating diseases. \n\n",
"Wait what year is it again? ",
"That power can easily be abused. Huge slippery slope. The government doesn't decide what you do for your body. That isn't the government's function.\n\nYou may think it's a novel concept now, but you're not thinking about the potential dangers of it later.",
"Is only gaem",
"5-10% if people with diphtheria infection die. Source: wiki",
"It's almost as if that's only one sect :o",
"Is it just me who read the tittle as \"vaccination wasn't an option (it was mandatory)\"!? Man, I was so confused and conflicted.. ",
"Congrats, man!",
"lol dont go to school or work for several months, i wish",
"True. The flu isn't necessarily a death sentence to those of us who are otherwise healthy. But, back to herd immunity. If the majority of a population are vaccinated, the disease is much less likely to spread and therefore less likely to spread to those that could be seriously harmed by the disease (elderly, children, weak immune systems, etc).\n\nAlso, if there are 4 types of flu one year, and the vaccine is for 1 strand, that's still 1 strand that you're immune to. And it's not like it's a difficult procedure. I literally walked into a CVS and got the vaccine for free. Took me a max of 10 minutes to get it. ",
"Oh shit same ",
"Not even all babies - 15, 13, 6, 4, 2. It’s like *generations* of *your* babies, you know?",
"STOP IT",
"Most people never had to deal with them - period. Vaccines have of course had a huge impact, but so has a lot of other medication and our modern hygiene standards. Vaccines are the only medicine you're *required* to take as a prophylactic, and I don't see why people have such a problem with people choosing to distinguish between preventative and reactionary treatments.",
"If only it were that simple. \n",
"I don't let the doctor do what they please.\n\nI support my decisions to vaccinate myself and my children through trusting the years and years of research done by independent scientists, as well as historical evidence showing the effectiveness of a strong vaccination program.",
"I find it very telling that it you don't hear of anti-vaxers in countries where things like measles are still somewhat prevalent. I'm on mobile so sorry for the formatting. \n\nhttps://www.popsci.com/16-african-countries-have-overtaken-us-measles-vaccinations",
"For some that's more than half. Religion can be a fantastic antidepressant.",
"If you don't have autism, then I'm sorry to break it to you. You're done here. :(",
"They’re all good boyes",
"And now he’s quoting perfect use numbers (in his edit) as a source for why pulling out is a valid contraception method.\n\nsmh",
"And before hand washing was a thing ",
"\"Stay with me\". It's Danish. In German, \"hass\" is hate. Here, it would have to be \"hader\".",
"Probably a rough past, probably because of religion.\n\nPeople get angry about religion because of the toxic impacts it has on their lives and families as well as the broader social problems created by massive groups of people shouting at each other about which invisible deity is fake and which is real and whether or not you can eat bacon. Religion pissed people off because it fucks with the world pretty badly. If you saw things from a non religious perspective you would see how much pain and suffering and death this concept of mysterious invisible deities creates.",
"There are no risks. That's why it's stupid that we indemnify vaccine makers against lawsuits and just have taxpayers pay for damages via Vaccine Injury Compensation Program. \n\nAnd that's exactly why vaccine manufacturers threatened to stop making vaccines unless they were indemnified, because they were not losing multiple lawsuits for liability.\n\n",
"People in majority Christian countries see Islam as the underdog and you can't pick on the underdog cause that's mean.",
"What does it say at the very bottom? ",
"This was 1903. People did a lot of dying back then (part of the reason families where so big) as sad as it probably was there must have been a cirtian amount of desensitisation.",
"Nope same name, forget the fioritta 1 ever existed.",
"Thank science, not god.",
"Empirical evidence + the fact that the flu vaccine isn't as effective because the flu strain changes every year.\n\nI don't have the data itself right now. But from the doctors I've seen and from the evidence that I've heard, it's very likely. Workers in my father's office who got the flu vaccine all fell ill to the flu one year, and everyone else remained fine. I've had doctors themselves tell me that you should not receive the flu vaccine unless absolutely necessary, as in the case with those with compromised immune systems.",
"TIL the Hulk is green from a dick infection",
"You're right. Vaccines? Discredited. ",
"Yes. Went to doc on Friday. Fever, chills, night sweats, deep coughing. This is day five. ",
"I'm far from familiar with dog sledding, so please forgive my ignorance, but don't they all pull the whole time? ",
"You may be conversing with the most self loathing person on Reddit. They should see Anton Ego for a little... perspective. ",
"Can I ask where in Denmark this is?",
"Nope, it is abnormal for a 21 y/o. It is *below* the lowest 95th percentile for a 21 y/o, which is IIRC around 500-600 ng/dL. It is almost a third of the 95th percentile. \n\nSecondly, it doesn't matter whether you have 200 or 400ng/dL. The deciding factor on whether you should get treated for low testosterone is whether you have *symptoms* of low testosterone, such as low lean mass, inability to gain weight, low sex drive, fatigue, brain fog, dissociation and depersonalization. The tests are only there to aid, not to determine whether you need treatment or not. Which is what you and doctors get wrong. If you in turn take testosterone and get improvement, it's adamantly obvious you needed it, which is my case. I've got my self-prescribed TRT in 2 months, it took me long to research and decide on it. In comparison, I know a guy in my country who had legitimate <150ng/dL at age 30 and it took him 3 (**three**) years to get treatment he needed and deserved. \n\nYou have done no research.",
"because everyone else does.\n\n >Herd Immunity - the resistance to the spread of a contagious disease within a population that results if a sufficiently high proportion of individuals are immune to the disease, especially through vaccination.",
"And here I was... reading \"vacation\" at first. I'm that tired, yeah.",
"Could be. I can't really speak to how things are outside the US, but I can see it being more difficult to vilify corporations if it's apparent that there isn't much for them to gain by doing something. ",
"I misread that as vacation and was very confused",
"That’s awful. Is that just in the rural areas or all of Korea?\n\nThe same thing happens with newborn pandas across the globe. Apparently they are so fragile in their first few months, they don’t get named until they are 100 days old. ",
"I believe modern life is so complicated, and there's so little of science, industry, climate change, the economy, etc. that we can even understand that we're increasingly drawn to over-simplified (often wholly erroneous) explanations. We're actually getting more superstitious, because modern life leaves us feeling adrift and out of control. ",
"Danmark. Ingen tvivl.",
"Y'all are awful...",
">I said I never wanted kids. She said she never wanted kids. She got pregnant even though she was on BC. She might've oopsed me. I'll never know. I mean I was like \"childfree\" level anti-kids almost. I knew they were not for me.\n\n>Well.. he came out autistic. It was a living hell for about 6-7 years. We're talking violent, spitting, biting autism. I had to straddle him and hold him down. He got expelled from kindergarten. It got better as he got older and he got therapy and meds. He's 10 now and mostly a normal kid other than some verbal and physical things that are obviously ADHD/autism.\n\n>Still, I wish I wasn't a parent. I do my best but I don't think I'm a very good one.\n\n\n\n\n\nHe still says he does his best, it's a shitty situation both for the son and him. It's easy to pass judgement on someone.",
"uh-huh.",
"[More on this *expert*.](http://americanloons.blogspot.com/2014/11/1198-sherri-tenpenny.html?m=1)",
"A throat infection for this family",
"> Are you vaccinated?\n\nvaccinations don't hold all the time\n\nthere is something called herd immunity. if enough people vaccinate, the disease can't establish enough chances to grow and spread\n\nbut if enough people don't vaccinate, then the disease can find the swiss cheese holes and spread\n\n...spread to people who don't vaccinate, yes\n\nbut also too:\n\n1. people with weak immune systems, such as the old and the sick with serious diseases like cancer\n2. infants not vaccinated yet. people who don't vaccinate are literally helping to kill babies\n3. people who were responsible and got vaccinated but for whatever reason the vaccine just didn't work\n\nin this way the innocent are hurt even killed by the irresponsible\n\n>You didn't vet your source.\n\nyour right, apologies\n\nbecause there's so many examples of morons killing their children\n\ntake your choice, here's a real example i found after a 6 second search rather than the erroneous 3 second search for the story i gave you last time:\n\nhttps://news.vice.com/article/these-anti-vaccine-parents-found-guilty-in-the-death-of-their-toddler\n\nagain, the freedom destroyer here is the parents, not the state\n\nthey should have been forced, at gun point, to vaccinate their child\n\ni genuinely assert to you: how the hell is that a greater threat to freedom in your mind? \n\ngenuine question\n\nwhat about *the dead baby*? how is their freedom doing?\n\n",
"One of the best horror films I've ever seen",
"Is this a Danish cemetery?",
"The facts are readily available to these anti-vaxxers but they choice to ignore it. That's not stupidity that's ignorance. \n\n",
"That part didn’t even register at first. I was computing the ages of the kids and my heart was breaking more after figuring each. ",
"I'm going to continue to exchange with them if they'd like. They must be in a pretty bad place, so maybe a little conversation will brighten their day.",
"Thought those chrome heads were emojis ",
"The cemetery in my small town has an entire section for children who died until the 1930s. The town was founded in the 1860s. That's less than 70 years worth of people, and they already needed an area for the children.",
"Thank you Science for the lives of our beautiful children. ",
"I just find talking to these people really frustrating. It's like someone was trolling you, except they don't know they're just spewing illogical bullshit. And since the scientific facts don't matter, but what Mary-Jo posted on the FaceBook does, you're just wasting your breath. The saddest part is you just can't ignore these folks and hope they'll go away. They do however sabotage themselves by risking their offspring with easily preventable horrible diseases.",
"Serum is blood plasma with existing antibodies to neutralize the toxin released by diphtheria, and does not confer lasting immunity. The vaccine in this case is the modified diphtheria toxin, your body responds to it by creating long-lasting memory B cells which will make the same antibodies as those found in the serum if you're ever infected by diphtheria.",
"\"oooh some chemical names, must be deadly amirite???\"",
"> Because I shouldn't have to.\n\nYou shouldn't have to speak to the point directly? You prefer to dance around your point and then make fun of people who don't read all the *implications* of what your saying.\n\nHow fucking juvenile.",
"Yeah, that illustrates the point rather well.",
"Comforted at the expense of others. There are other ways to cope than putting down those who haven't been through tragedy.",
"Based on their deleted comments it appears they are done. \n\nI appreciate your views. Please continue to spread them in every aspect of you life! The world needs it. ",
"Yeah, this is the thing I never understood: meningitis, diphtheria, mumps, polio, etc... they can all end with HORRIFIC complications like deafness/blindness due to internal scarring, loss of leg/arm use, etc; that’s if they’re strong/lucky enough NOT to die...\n\nAnd these people want to tell me that being autistic is bad... a condition that, with the right education and therapy CAN yield a fully funciona or at the worst a semi-funcionig adult.\n\nIn short: these people would sooner expose their kids to excruciating, painful, deadly diseases, than risking them be autistic (which can be overcome and is NOT deadly!)—and this is WITHOUT definitive proof (and by that I mean NO proof whatsoever) of vaccines causing autism.\n\nIt’s like saying they’d rather see their kid dead than autistic! It’s cruel to the kids and fucking demeaning to autistic people who can live very fucking regular lives!",
"That's what I would think. I'm not against vaccines at all. I would encourage something that keeps us from being sick, I'm just saying that I'm confused.",
"Though one could argue that us developing it is evolution. Everything we have created is a form of us evolving and growing.",
"I don’t think you got the joke",
"I hope this is by choice, which I fully respect. I think most people throw that kind of statement out there without thinking about what they’re trying to say. Semantics aside, I think love is love at a fundamental level. They might be confusing love with emotions associated with a few other things - like worry. My wife and I are lucky enough to have a litter of happy, healthy kids but I’ve never worried so much in my life. ",
"But were they autistic?",
"just to make it clear, you're talking about the epidemic vaccines, right? or are you including seasonal flu vaccines too?",
"Don't know how they do it in the US, but in the UK the flu vaccine is aimed at the strain likely to be most common. Therefore some people could still get a different type of flu.",
"God you're insufferable. How often are you featured on /r/iamverysmart",
"\"Oh no! My children didn't get crippled from Polio! Damn that government abuse for protecting the public health from idiots!\"",
"Have fun with the measles and polio moron!",
"It's my impression that the focus on fertility for Catholics is relatively new, in response to the availability of birth control and abortion. I mean, before reliable birth control was widely available, most people had many children, it wasn't politicized the way it seems to be now. ",
"I'm not saying he was any kind of a good choice. I'm saying that when people are desperate, they'll make terrible choices if it means things might change.",
"At least they weren’t autistic though, amirite?\n\n/s",
"The hard thing is when you have stubborn-ass family members who really **wouldn't** go to the doctor for physical ailments. I've had family walking on broken bones, waiting 2 weeks to go to the hospital after developing holes in his lungs, living with chronic pain I can't even imagine without treatment. \n\nNo idea how I'd deal with those people having mental illness.",
"Well I never said they weren't ignorant, just that most don't prefer death to autism ",
"It's that supposedly it has been upvoted by so many people. I've seen how fucked up Reddit's \"voting\" is. It's not generic. They pump up stuff that fits their agenda and down vote to oblivion (or outright delete) anything that goes contrary to whatever their agenda is.\n",
"Butt autism is the worst kind of autism.",
"> Wrong. I am advocating for freedom. I'm advocating for the freedom to be a \"freeloading parasite\" if you don't want to inject something into your body that you don't understand.\n\nthen you're advocating that the pridefully ignorant moron should be allowed to kill people\n\nnope, not acceptable\n\nthey will be forced at gun point\n\nto protect our freedom to live\n\nthe pridefully ignorant are destroying freedom, the real enemies of freedom: my fucking life\n\nif govt forces freedom destroyers to protect freedom, that's not antifreedom\n\n>And that would be a tragedy and horrible. But I'd still support every individual's freedom to choose to take a medication or not.\n\nno you won't. because we will point a gun at you, because you threaten our life and our freedom with your ignorance\n\n",
"Ages: 2, 4, 6, 13, 15",
"The one vaccine that has been phenomenal is the HIB vaccine or haemophilus influenzae B. It has decreased the rate of invasive infection by more than 90%. It came out in the 1980’s or 90’s.\n\nI had an pediatrician attending during residency who had his intern year before the vaccine and residency years with the vaccine and went from to seeing numerous kids in the hospital with it to almost none.\n\nThe invasive infections from it include pneumonia, meningitis (which was the leading cause of meningitis in kids under 5 before the vaccine) and epiglottitis. Meningitis has 100% mortality without treatment and even with early treatment it can cause a number of long term side effects. Epiglottitis causes inflammation of the epiglottitis which separates the esophagus and trachea. It ends up swelling to where it obstructs the airway and the only way to ventilate someone then is to do a cricothyrotomy (essentially cutting the front of the trachea on the neck and sticking a tube down). So needless to say as a physician and a parent, that disease is scary as fuck and I’m glad with the vaccine I don’t have to be concerned with it and my two year old.",
"So, we do agree. I am all for voluntarily helping people. I don't like the idea of being forced to. That was what I meant. I love charity. I just don't like being taxed for people's birth control. I think charity and good decisions can handle it on their own. I don't know how on Earth you thought I'd hate charity. I guess I didn't convey my thoughts well enough before. I apologize for that and any offense you took. It was a pleasure discussing this with you, but I'm getting tired of typing. If you would like to continue the discussion, I'll happily do that, but I'd prefer it to be on a later date. College and whatnot. I'm sure you understand. ",
"That's how I feel right now with Pneumonia!",
"I wouldn't be so sure, there's always the possibility that someone *worse* comes along....",
"Different types of mercury compound. The compound in vaccines with mercury in it was fine to ingest- as well as being in such a small dose anyway. Tuna fish has a significant amount of bad mercury compound in it funnily enough.",
"I know you're joking, but intelligent people shouldn't frame this like it's a dichotomy.",
"OMAE WA MOU SHINDEIRU",
"So ALL vaccines are great? You sure?",
"https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_African_countries_by_population_growth_rate\n\nEvery single country is positive and most are strongly so.\n\nhttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_and_dependencies_by_total_fertility_rate\n\nAfrican countries and dependencies make up 28 of the top 30 entries on all three lists",
"A lot of people are. That's why there's so many anti-vaccine people. They didn't get the right information. It's one thing if you're confused and don't wanna get them cause you don't really know about it. It's a whole other thing if someone knows the facts (true facts), and still refuses to get them. ",
"Dude what? It's called modern medicine, we would still have those mortality rates without it. Not like God just said \"thee have suffered enough\" and half of everyone's children stopped dying.",
"What happened to condemning all religions equally?",
"I'm suuuuuuure it did.. for MOST of you.... sure",
"At least they weren’t autistic \n\n/s",
"How dare you disrespect the doggos? Everyone knows on the internet puppers are more important than people. All the sled doge are good bois.",
"We will never know their names.\n\nThe first victim could not have been recorded, for there was no written language to record it. They were someone’s daughter, or son, and someone’s friend, and they were loved by those around them. And they were in pain, covered in rashes, confused, scared, not knowing why this was happening to them or what they could do about it – victim of a mad, inhuman god. There was nothing to be done – humanity was not strong enough, not aware enough, not knowledgeable enough, to fight back against a monster that could not be seen.\n\nIt was in Ancient Egypt, where it attacked slave and pharaoh alike. In Rome, it effortlessly decimated armies. It killed in Syria. It killed in Moscow. In India, five million dead. It killed a thousand Europeans every day in the 18th century. It killed more than fifty million Native Americans. From the Peloponnesian War to the Civil War, it slew more soldiers and civilians than any weapon, any soldier, any army (Not that this stopped the most foolish and empty souls from attempting to harness the demon as a weapon against their enemies).\n\nCultures grew and faltered, and it remained. Empires rose and fell, and it thrived. Ideologies waxed and waned, but it did not care. Kill. Maim. Spread. An ancient, mad god, hidden from view, that could not be fought, could not be confronted, could not even be comprehended. Not the only one of its kind, but the most devastating.\n\nFor a long time, there was no hope – only the bitter, hollow endurance of survivors.\n\nIn China, in the 10th century, humanity began to fight back.\n\nIt was observed that survivors of the mad god’s curse would never be touched again: they had taken a portion of that power into themselves, and were so protected from it. Not only that, but this power could be shared by consuming a remnant of the wounds. There was a price, for you could not take the god’s power without first defeating it – but a smaller battle, on humanity’s terms. By the 16th century, the technique spread, to India, across Asia, the Ottoman Empire and, in the 18th century, Europe. In 1796, a more powerful technique was discovered by Edward Jenner.\n\nAn idea began to take hold: Perhaps the ancient god could be killed.\n\nA whisper became a voice; a voice became a call; a call became a battle cry, sweeping across villages, cities, nations. Humanity began to cooperate, spreading the protective power across the globe, dispatching masters of the craft to protect whole populations. People who had once been sworn enemies joined in common cause for this one battle. Governments mandated that all citizens protect themselves, for giving the ancient enemy a single life would put millions in danger.\n\nAnd, inch by inch, humanity drove its enemy back. Fewer friends wept; Fewer neighbors were crippled; Fewer mothers had to bury their daughters.\n\nAt the dawn of the 20th century, for the first time, humanity banished the enemy from entire regions of the world. Humanity faltered many times in its efforts, but there individuals who never gave up, who fought for the dream of a world where no child or loved one would ever fear the demon ever again. Viktor Zhdanov, who called for humanity to unite in a final push against the demon; The great tactician Karel Raška, who conceived of a strategy to annihilate the enemy; Donald Henderson, who lead the efforts of those final days.\n\nThe enemy grew weaker. Millions became thousands, thousands became dozens. And then, when the enemy did strike, scores of humans came forth to defy it, protecting all those whom it might endanger.\n\nThe enemy’s last attack in the wild was on Ali Maow Maalin, in 1977. For months afterwards, dedicated humans swept the surrounding area, seeking out any last, desperate hiding place where the enemy might yet remain.\n\nThey found none.\n\n35 years ago, on December 9th, 1979, humanity declared victory.\n\nThis one evil, the horror from beyond memory, the monster that took 500 million people from this world – was destroyed.\n\nYou are a member of the species that did that. Never forget what we are capable of, when we band together and declare battle on what is broken in the world.\n\nHappy Smallpox Eradication Day.\n\nCopied from /r/hfy \"500 Million, But Not a Single One More\"\nOriginal from /u/jaiwithani's blog at http://blog.jaibot.com/?p=413\n\nEdit: First gold, thanks!",
"Wow... the mother had just given birth c. 12 days before the first of those deaths. Boggles the mind. ",
"I think the implication is that, by not having a child, I will never know what *true, profound* love of another being is.\n\nAlso in those conversations, particularly when the /r/gatekeeping comes up, someone casually mentions that you aren't a woman until you've had a child.",
"Wait, a real doctor said that?",
"That's not needed though. Take post reformation christianity and buddhism and compare them to islam. They are leagues better in terms of peace.",
"Your title could mean, there was no choice but mandatory while you actually meant when vaccination wasn't available.",
"There were multiple teams that worked together. Each team ran a certain distance and then handed off the serum to the team waiting at the next village. That way they didn't lose time stopping to rest the dogs.\n\nBalto was the lead dog on the last team into Nome. Togo was the lead dog on one of the previous teams, that covered a longer and more dangerous part of the trip. ",
"And one was only weeks old when these five died. I can imagine they expected that one to die too.",
"your great grandpa looks visibly tired of fucking, while great g-ma looks like she don't give a shit how tired he is she's gonna get hers",
"I am very smart, thankyouverymuch.\nThank you for contributing so usefully to this discussion.",
"They said “we’ll contact you, thanks *fOr YoUr TiMe*”",
"Some parents, as children, have bad reactions to vaccines. They carry that into their adult hood and figure they would rather their children not endure what they did. It's plain ignorance. We also have to realize that nurses do not administer vaccines the same. Some jab, some poke, some are rough and others gentle.",
"Same, and I was super confused ",
"And then immediately after the race, Togo and another dog escaped the harness and chased reindeer ",
"Another bad thing about religions is that they fill their followers with arrogance towards anyone who dares to think differently.",
"I understand what you're saying but you need to read that guy's Post history every single post is literally him bitching about how much he wishes his son didn't exist. Like that is every. Single. Post.",
"Yeah, I don't argue with those types of people. I have a facebook friend who is a flat earther.... maybe those 2 groups are one of the same.",
"That the tradition is still commonplace highlights how incredible South Korea's transformation in the last fifty years has been. It was poorer than the North for decades, one of the poorest in the world, almost as if Haiti suddenly got it's shit together and turned itself around by 2060. ",
"every parents wants their kid to go to school, they would only be punishing themselves if they held their kid back",
"I think they meant along the lines of genetic diseases.",
"What if you don't want to be part of that social framework?",
"Back it up. Why is it a joke? A vaccine that prevent multiple types of cancer? Why wouldn't you vaccinate your child?",
"Really? Yes, because i'm the one who came in acting like a prick right? I don't care what you believe but acting as if a violent religion is peaceful, you aren't fixing the problem. I see more arrogant atheists than anyone and i live in the bible belt. I guess you only see what you want to though.",
"I have a doberman who strongly disagrees with you. He is constantly bitching about how we all take him for granted!!!",
"Thanks for the information :) - I was just looking to see whether some expected correlations hold in this case.",
"What remains of Edith Larsen ",
"Then those people should still be totally in favour of vaccinations so they can make use of herd immunity. \n\nThe \"if I can't have them no-one can\" argument is decidedly stupid. ",
"If I didn't hate him enough already.....jfc",
"You're right. The flu is nowhere near as deadly as those others. But according to the CDC, 11,000 people died of the flu/pneumonia last flu season.\n\nhttps://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/disease/2015-16.htm",
"What's undeveloped in the immune system of children?",
"I mean in this case it's \"after your kid dies, comes the rainbow\". Not sure the saying still works.",
"I understand that you are embarrassed about your lack of reading comprehension, and instead of accepting that you misunderstood, you are accusing the author of having unclear writing. Next time just slow down. Even re-read it a few times. You'll get better with practice!",
"But at least it would be one person shorter, so there is that...",
"I had scarlet fever as a single digit aged child in the 80s. It was around Christmas and I remember being so sick I couldn't get out of bed. My family put up the tree and someone carried me out holding my head up so I could see it. \n\nI didn't realize until I was older how sick I was and just how bad that could have been if it weren't for modern medicine. ",
"> He has a track record of that.\n\nand that record is stored at /r/TrumpCriticizesTrump",
"It's Danish; according to other sources posted here it is in Denmark. But Norway would have been using Danish too at this time, so from the writing alone it's impossible to tell.",
"I wanted kids and have 2 perfectly healthy, neurotypical boys and I, occasionally, feel like this guy. Kids are very hard even under ideal conditions. ",
"As someone who was in school before the chicken pox vaccine was licensed in the United States, I know first hand about the chicken pox parties.\n\nIt kinda made sense back then: the disease is much worse for adults than it is to children and you become immune after one infection; get 'em young to save 'em later. But, it's also one of the few times I explicitly remember being sick when I was little. It was miserable.\n\nMy sister was a different story; she was born after the vaccine was available, but before it's use was trusted and wide spread among minorities and the poor. She was intentionally infected with a disease that was preventable. I thought I had it bad as a kid, but my sister's infection lasted twice as long and was much more severe: leaving her with permanent marks all over her body where the welts occurred (even though she exercised immense self control and didn't scratch any of them).\n\nMy sister is permanently scarred due to a mistrust and ignorance of new medical tech (many minorities harbor memories/stories of older generations being unwittingly experimented on, and therefore do not trust modern medical professionals/technology). I was told that the chicken pox vaccine didn't work right when I was little and it wasn't until I was considering children of my own that I researched and learned the truth.\n\nVaccinate your kids, these drugs go through years of testing before they're approved and they not only save lives, they prevent suffering.\n\nOh yeah, people born after the '70s don't remember measles ravaging the country and many seem to think that measles and chicken pox are the same thing; they are not. Measles is to chicken pox what pneumonia is to a mild cold. While I've never seen this, I'm fortunate enough to have had a mother who has seen it happen to her friends.",
"i wonder if part of the reason for having 10 kids is the mindset that some might die along the way.\n\n\nIf that's not it then I am very curious why a mother would want to have 10 kids in the 1900s. Couldn't they just do simple math that if everyone had 10 kids this planet probably wouldn't last long?",
"It's by choice.\n\nWhat I will say is that, by not having kids, I get to be \"Uncle One_Left_Shoe\" to all of my friends kids, which is a blast. My \"Uncle\" that filled a similar role for me as a child is practically my second dad as an adult. \n\nI will say, that worry probably is the elixir that builds /r/DadReflexes. So, I guess I'll be missing out on that one. XD",
"At least they don't have autism though. Wake up sheeple. ",
"I have an uncanny knack for thrifting. The best recent find was a 14ct white gold and diamond ring l got with a bunch of junk jewellery. It had a hallmark but I couldn't read it in-store. Looked like a blemish more than anything. Was the wrong patina to be sterling silver and definitely made far too well to be costume plus the diamonds were set professionally and the cut/ clarity was to good to be a lesser stone. You don't often find CZ set in white gold. \n\nI was with dad at the time so we went back to his place, cleaned it up a bit, got out a flashlight and a magnifying glass. Took a bit of jiggery pokery but we managed to read the hallmark. There was between 1/2 To 3/4 carats of diamonds in the ring (small ones). Estimated retail value (have a jeweller friend) about $1500. I paid about 50c for it. Gave it to my ungrateful sister for Christmas because neither myself nor my daughter can wear gold. We're both allergic (sorry kiddo).",
"\"Jesus stays with me\" ",
"The vaccine for diphtheria didn't exist yet",
"> then you're advocating that the pridefully ignorant moron should be allowed to kill people\n\nWrong, I'm advocating that they should be allowed to not take a medication if they choose. That is not the same as killing people. You keep conflating the two, and I understand how they are linked, but they are not the same.\n\n> if govt forces freedom destroyers to protect freedom, that's not antifreedom\n\nYou're messing up the definitions again. \"Pro-Freedom\" and \"anti-freedom\" are not singular definitions that something either IS or ISN'T. Forcing vaccinations at gunpoint is anti-freedom-to-choose-to-vaccinate, but pro-freedom-to-live-in-a-100%-vaccinated-society. But freedom to something and freedom from something are very important concepts. I don't think you have a *right* to live in a world where everyone takes all the medications you think they ought to take. I do think you have a right to not take a medication you don't want to take.\n\n&nbsp;\n\n> no you won't. because we will point a gun at you, because you threaten our life and our freedom with your ignorance\n\nEdit: Wait so now you even support pointing a gun at me and taking away my freedom of speech to advocate for the right to not take medications by force? I think this pretty much sums up who here is more anti-freedom...",
"The link to autism was from a fabricated report by a Dr who even later admitted he fucking lied. THEN made popular by Jenny McCarthy who, for whatever stupid fucking reason, people actually listened to and took seriously because she claimed her kid contracted autism after being vaccinated. (Side note: How the hell is she not in jail for spreading false information which has become a literal epidemic?). Then get this.... HER KID DOESN'T EVEN HAVE MOTHERFUCKING AUTISM!!!!!! Proof positive how stupid people are that still follow anti-vax",
"Kinda scary 100 years later and they think flu is going to be bad this year again after it killed millions in 1918. And it was healthy people it killed, not mostly kids and the elderly like those the flu usually hits hardest.",
"Let’s talk about what kind of name is holger tho",
"\"Wonderful, Forest-front property here in Poland! ^^^^Just ^^^^Ignore ^^^^The ^^^^Dead ^^^^Bodies... Haha! I said nothing! There's nothing behind that door besides an easy exit out the second floor! Now if you'll follow me downstairs to the kitchen...\"",
"It's more than likely not every year. You may get sick every year, but if you get the flu shot every year it's probably not the flu every year.",
"A child born after you have experienced a child death or a miscarriage is called a rainbow baby. It was an intentional reference. ",
"Where is this? I live in Denmark and it could be near me. ",
"Yeah, other people have posted their family tree in this thread and the parents lived to '44 and '52. They had 16(!) children, 8 of whom survived to adulthood.",
"\"Uneducated populous\" Wow, that's ironic. I guess you're part of that populace.",
"Die in vain is the ultimate form of autism ",
"If someone is a terrible, selfish human being, then autism really is worse...\n\nKid dies = Parent's life is hard for a few weeks but that's it. Maybe make a new one.\n\nKid has autism = If it's a severe case, then parent's life is hard for the next 20+ years, dealing with special needs and etc. They miss out on their dream of having a perfect Hallmark family.\n\nI don't think anti-vaxxers will openly admit to this logic, but I think some people really do think this way, deep down.",
"I'm curious about these 'many reasons'.. what other legitimate reasons are there for choosing not to vaccinate?\n\nThe people who choose not to vaccinate without a legitimate reason are the monsters, not the people with legitimate reasons. It's just that there seem to be a very small amount of people with legitimate reasons not to vaccinate.\n\nI don't know if you've read all the research done on vaccines an autism done lately, or if you've even seen the news about it, but they've done enough to put the fear of autism-causing-vaccines to bed forever. The people continuing to refuse to vaccinate their children, whether because of autism or similar reasons, truly are monstrous humans subjecting their children and potentially others to such unnecessary risk of death.\n\nPeople are entitled to their opinions, but when their opinions start putting their children's lives and the lives of possibly many others at risk *needlessly*, those opinions become a public health risk and are no longer acceptable. If your opinion might lead to a pestilent outbreak, *it's a fucking wrong opinion*.. in the general interest of the humans around you.",
"Don't feel stupid, Far Cry 3 is a thing",
"Anti-vaxxers are amongst the most staggeringly dumb fucks on the planet ",
"So, like, if you were to get information from a trusted source, like say someone who had to go to a special school and learn all about it, and then practice for several years and have specific information in this area, like if you made decisions based on what they advised you to do, would that count as an informed decision?",
"Juli was a bitch.",
"And this was not long ago. Correct me if I'm wrong, but 1903 to now is just 115 years. Aren't there people alive now that were alive at the same time?\n\n It's crazy just how quickly humanity turned up the ass kicking in regards to technology, medical advances, communication etc. Like, it's seriously hard to wrap my head around just how fast we got this awesome. Seriously, we spent a few thousand years hunting with spears and trying not to die because of winter and then look what we did in like a hundred years. Unfuckingbelieveable.",
"Pretty much the dumbest people I've ever met are pro-vax, same people who think it's OK to feed their kids cancer from mcdonalds.",
"Ever since I learned the truth five years ago I've wanted a husky named Togo",
"Having chicken pox puts you at a high risk of getting shingles, which can be a horrifying and painful experience that is hundreds of times worse than a little itching. Like, seriously want to off yourself pain.\nIf there is a vaccine for chicken pox I'd definitely give it to my kids! ",
"Isn’t the new meme aquarium gravel?",
"shit ... i read that as \"Vacation wasn't an option\"",
"Most people miss the point of anti vax, at least for me. It is NOT that they don't work or they are bad. Its the fact the govement can put god knows what in the shit, and people will fall inline for the shot. Now what if they really really wanted to wipe us out. What better way, than to make us think a terrible sickness is coming. We need the latest new vaxx.",
"My dad went through the same thing last year. When he did seek help, he was so surprised by the support he got from everyone, and stories of all the people who had been through the same, and he had no idea. He bounced back very quickly, and has been working on it since. The first time I went to therapy, I had to be physically dragged into the room. I recommend that technique, as well. (On my way to therapy right now btw)",
"Absolutely. It's a matter of what you grow up used to. A newly-pregnant mother in 1900 *knew* she had a good chance of losing her baby as an infant. The evidence of that was all around her. Nowadays, the expectation is completely the other way and for the same reason.",
"Vaccination is a global public health issue. It may surprise you to know that most people do not live in the US. ",
"It's been over a hundred years, so I'm going in for the joke.\n\nI'm mildly bothered that Anna or Ellen couldn't hold out one more day to keep a clean 1 per day combo. Since one of the 4th July deaths is at the bottom it's like they missed the inside straight in life poker. That's all I got, I'm pretty sure heaven is getting kinda full anyways with all these unvaccinated kids that are passing.",
"He still ran 52 miles. It's just that Togo ran over 90. ",
"Where did you see that? From what i can see, Rigmor was born after they died.",
"Not to mention vaccines are made in China, under no kind of quality oversight. ",
"According to the family tree posted higher up, these kids died from bad medicine :(",
"But it's not straight up mercury, it's mercury as part of a chemical compound. Kinda like how sodium is a corrosive metal and chlorine is a poisonous gas, but together they make table salt. Really basic chemistry. ",
"It makes me so sad. I can't imagine how hard it's been for the parents. Also maybe proper hygiene wasn't always a thing. Thanks to vaccines and better hygiene we don't die so young one after an other.",
"Knew a lot of guys coming back from overseas who said they saw a lot of little graves from preventable diseases :-/",
"Yeah, but they usually don't predict the correct strain. Which lowers the efficacy even further.\n\nProbably better off washing your hands and limiting contact, unless you work in a hot spot like a hospital.\n\nAgain, I'm not advocating for anyone who *wants* to get to vaccine to not get the vaccine at all. I'm advocating against the notion that the government has the authority to inject *anything at all* into someone's unconsenting body. I'm also suggesting the negative side effects of the vaccine aren't to be ignored or dismissed. When the efficacy and consequences of the vaccine are questionable, it's not something that should ever be enforced. Other vaccines, on the other hand, have high rates of efficacy and very low rates of negative side effects. But that's still not something that should be up to a government. Individual stores and services should decide whether or not they allow non-vaccinated children. (Which most don't)",
"I think a lot of people didn't...maybe I'm dumb. I was vaccinated after all.\n",
"Brain wash seems to have taken",
"The only vaccine I learned anything about in history class was smallpox, and then we learned that smallpox has been eradicated. Now, there are vaccines for diseases that we consider to be only inconveniences, like chicken pox or the flu, that seem skippable with few consequences. I wish we had covered the Spanish influenza properly instead of just mentioning it as an afterthought after the WWI section-we didn't even make it to that chapter in the history class before the semester ended, so nobody even saw it unless they were nerds like me that read ahead. My paternal grandparents were alive during the influenza, but I really only know about it because I choose to listen to podcasts about history while I'm working.\n\nI also wish we had learned about the vaccines we still do receive. My entire class had to have MMR boosters when we were in 5th grade-that would have been a perfect time to learn about those diseases and how they impacted society. Instead, to this day, I have no idea what Rubella is, and when I think of Measles/Mumps, I just think of old cartoons where a character had bandages tied over their cheeks. I didn't think of that as a real-world threat any more than quicksand or an anvil falling on my head, and even now, I'm only 70% sure that Mumps was the one it was referencing. It may be an unpleasant subject to teach, but so was Auschwitz and you can bet we spent an entire semester on WWII, complete with depressing movies that required permission slips.",
"cringe",
"It's because they haven't seen the diseases, so don't know what kind of harm they can cause.\n\nTheir clean living will save them.",
"was a kidney stone stuck in there or something?",
"...kills.",
"Actually, statistics say the exact opposite. Thanks for playing though. ",
"I didn't say Africa's population growth rate is negative. I said its birth rate is at or rapidly approaching local replacement rate.\n\nThe two things are not the same thing.\n\nThe population of Africa is growing and will continue to grow, but it's not going to continue to grow indefinitely. It's going to plateau and if current trends continue eventually start dropping. ",
"my point.",
"Is that real?",
"The data set is ridiculous. It's very old data (by any reasonable standards) that goes back ~30 years. And in all that time, it shows 1600 infant deaths, many of which show either unlisted symptoms or cause of death as SIDS, so there's *no correlation whatsoever* that can be determined from that data to show the vaccine was definitively the cause of death. If you're going to cherry pick data to reinforce your narrative, pick better data.",
"Looks like they lost two other kids as babies (or one was a still birth, hard to tell). And yet one of their kids lived until 1997. What a life she must have had, she saw nearly the whole 20th century.",
"You have no idea how spot on this is. We lost my grandmother to the flu last May. It was gut wrenching. She and I were very close.\n\n\nBut even worse, we knew who gave it to her. I can't help but be furious that this lady didn't stay home (and even spent time with an elderly person while sick). She knew better.\n\nAlmost as bad, she has to live knowing that her lack of judgement took a life. ",
"I'm a full grown man and I actually cryed when I read this post! ",
"Die hard anti-vax won't change their beliefs by watching a video. :-/",
"http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/01/16/donald-trump-could-have-lived-200-years-old-ate-less-hamburgers/\n\naround 1:10\n\nHe was attempting a joke, but it was just such a weird thing to say.",
"The dogs don't know why they run, but they like running and are loyal to us...a far more noble friend then man deserves.",
"Your god sounds like a sadistic prick, why should I listen to him?",
"Yes, the memorial can be found at Vester Church",
"I saw that in Vietnam in the '60s. Which is why I get so pissed off at the blindly ignorant anti-vaxers. They want to return that sort of landscape to the U.S.",
"Then you don't be part of it?",
"As an autistic man with extremely loving and supportive parents, you can go fuck yourself. Its people like you that give horrible companies like Autism Speaks power. How about instead of seeing your son as a burden, you start loving and supporting him? Because seriously your comment is horrifically disgusting. If you cant handle a “not normal” child, don’t have kids.",
"I never said they should be free to inject us with \"anything and everything\". Please stop with your hyperbole.",
"Aluminum increases the immune response and makes the vaccine more effective, it's not dangerous at the quantity it's in. Thiomersal is much safer than methylmercury, which is present in tuna at a much higher concentration than mercury was in vaccines. Thiomersal was also removed recently to try to convince ignorant people like you to get vaccinated, and now vaccines are much less available to areas without refrigeration. Congratulations.",
"Tell that to the little girl who lived across the street from me and went into seizures the night she got vaxxed. Oh wait, even if you did she wouldn't understand you. That's because she's never been the same. ",
"Why are you trying to take the moral high ground on which horrible thing you give a kid lol",
"The maternal recommendation is only present in certain countries...usually for third trimester onwards for maximum effectiveness and transference to the feotus..",
"Do you mean antivax? Or that anti vaxxers are even more stupid?",
"Okay, that's a little less god-king than it first sounded. Thanks!",
"Protection.",
"That’s a rough week",
"Wow, I really hope Jesus blivered hos mig for them.",
"That's not how chromosomes work.\n\nA chromosomal disorder is present from conception and cannot be caused during pregnancy.",
"When I went to bury my Grandmother a couple years ago, a relative who's Mormon contacted us asking for details for her family tree which I believe is part of their practice. She gave us access to it. Looking at my great grand father's family it's really astonishing. He had like..14 siblings which was common around that time and half survived...to be fair he didn't \"survive\" either but that's what happens with World Wars.",
"haha, so did I\n",
"But obviously these people belived in their religion before that happened i don't think they turned religious because their cheildren died.",
"Hahaha u need to get de seasonal and regional antibacterial soap.",
"Danish translation from the plate on the left -\n\"In memory of teacher L.H Larsen and housewife Emilie's five children who died of Diphtheria in 1903\" \n\nVery tragic indeed..",
"Show them this picture...\n\nGood luck.",
"MY OP WAS ABOUT JUST THAT HOLY SHIT",
"There doesn't even need to be proof. The anti-vax premise is \"prove to me it DOESN'T cause autism\". It is impossible to prove a negative... \n\nWe are blessed to live in a time when people are free to think whatever they want and choose their own facts.",
"Yes sir I was ",
"I would, but that would only make her defend her convictions even harder. I've tried posting facts on facebook about the wonders of vaccinating your damn kids to no avail. =(",
"I thought the title said vacation and I was throughly confused.",
"No need to write back but i will respond. \n\nWe do and dont agree. I feel like its been shown that enough folks are selfish and dont care about the well being of their fellow citizen therefore a little extra taxation for us to make a lot of difference for many is the way to go. Oir medical/healthcare in america is a joke and until there is a national healthcare in place, it will be the biggest scourge on our society. \n\nThis isnt a free for all. This is a society we live in and share. A society is a group of people involved in persistent social interaction, or a large social group sharing the same geographical or social territory, typically subject to the same political authority and **dominant cultural expectations.** \n\nNowadays in 1st world countries, national healthcare is the dominant cultural expectation. Healthcare should be a universal right. People have a right to live. People have a right to proper medical care. Taking care of others, in whatever way is necessary, should be an obligation each one of us have. To say, \"you aint takin my money to help others\" is just selfish and against what a society and humanity as a whole are all about. ",
"I am all for letting people choose whether to vaccinate, the government shouldn't tell me what to do with my own body in the privacy of my own home. However, if the unvaccinated person steps foot in any public place, or uses any public service, then I am ok with calling it a crime. If you want to live in the woods alone unvaccinated, go ahead. But do not step foot into society, where your choices can harm others.",
"The catholic church actually played a huge role in the progression of science in the past through funding. There's one huge factor.",
"Nope some sort of infection ",
"Search for some of Leonard's Bernstein lectures on youtube, many great videos about listening to music. Examples:\n\n* On [Beethoven's 5th Symphony](https://youtu.be/KI1klmXUER8)\n\n* ['Greatest' 5 minutes of music education](https://youtu.be/Gt2zubHcER4)(of music history)\n\n* [Berlioz take's a trip](https://youtu.be/tWrut6bxK0M)(on Berlioz's Symphony Fantastique)\n\n* [On Tchaikovsky's 'Pathetique' Symphony no 6.](https://youtu.be/hewLziHGSrg)\n\n* [On Brahms 'Tragic' Symphony no 4.](https://youtu.be/P9TinRdrwOU)\n\n* [Bernstein discussing Beethoven](https://youtu.be/P9TinRdrwOU)\n\n* [Defending Beethoven](https://youtu.be/Mjct5M8JzL4) as a reaction on the video above (not Bernstein, but these two videos might be the best music education videos on YouTube)\n\nI'm sure you could find some more also check out these:\n\n* If you can read sheet music; Richard Attkinson's videos, especially on [Mozarts Jupiter symphony](https://youtu.be/YTxYykhQZbI)\n\n* Chris Wright, a redditor [made a few videos](https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL7CpeP0MYoEPxtIM62RiHZZoCQaHXI6fx?)\n\n* [Samuel Andreyev](https://www.youtube.com/user/temporalfissure) also a redditor, explains wacky and cool modern classical music.\n\n* [Vihart did a video on 12-tone technique](https://youtu.be/4niz8TfY794)(not necessarily symphonic but one of the more popular music videos on youtube)\n\n* [Smalin](https://www.youtube.com/user/smalin) also a very popular channel, for following sheet music if you can't read sheet music.",
"> Wrong, I'm advocating that they should be allowed to not take a medication if they choose. That is not the same as killing people. You keep conflating the two, and I understand how they are linked, but they are not the same.\n\nthen you are being intellectually dishonest\n\nif someone KNOWS doing something can hurt someone, and they do it anyway, they are openly choosing to harm someone\n\nif they DON'T KNOW they are simply idiots who, for example, should not be on the highway if they don't know how to drive, and this is punishable as irresponsible as well (flashing lights, guns drawn, you name it)\n\nyou are not advocating for freedom\n\nyou are advocating for parasitism and irresponsibility with your words\n\nif you don't understand this, there is no further discussion possible because this point is absolutely correct\n",
"Should say \"disgraced doctor\". Andrew Wakefield is his name and he was struck off the register for falsifying his research. What's disgusting is he's still going around talking about how bad vaccinations are on shows like infowars despite having admitted lying.",
"That's not proof, that's just a graph.",
"No, I mean people who poison themselves and their children with vaccines because the only research they did on the subject was being spoonfed information from big pharma campaigns. ",
"When you say \"his plan\" are you talking about the doctor or scientist who invented the vaccine? Im confused, was that your plan, to cause confusion?",
"The odds of you having diptheria are miniscule. You've almost certainly been vaccinated against it and the vaccine is excellent.",
"> As with most things in life, there's probably a balance somewhere.\n\nYeah, that's what I think about vaccs. My mom is anti-vaxx, but I believe same as you do, the truth is somewhere in the middle.",
"A few reasons. One, no birth control.. And men like having sex. Two, if they're religious, then they *should* be procreating as much as possible, as per the bible \"be fruitful and multiply\". Three, children provide labor starting as early as 5 years old. Whether that is chores around the home, around the farm, or in the factories. Four, women are expected to raise children, that was their \"job\". Men were expected to work outside the home, women were expected to raise children and work inside the home. During this time, when the poverty line was assessed, the government even made assumptions that each household had at least one \"skillful cook\". And lastly, yes, children die, so the more you have, the better your odds of having adult offspring.",
"Wow. I'm currently under quarantine for tuberculosis and I'm going nuts... I can't even imagine being isolated with seven sick kids also in the house.",
"A lot of people that I know don't believe in them causing autism, they're scared of the big scary sounding \"chemicals\". Was just arguing on Facebook with this dumb bitch about the dtap shot they give pregnant woman during pregnancy and how she insists it's bad for the baby. You know what else is bad for the baby? PERTUSSIS. FUCK THESE PEOPLE HOLY SHIT. Pisses me off. Even a little baby I nannied was unvaxinated. Thankfully California doesn't allow kids to go to school without being vaxxed, so they're going to have to eventually unless they homeschool. But fuck. They believed it causes cancer and some government conspiracy theory. Fucking california, man. They also only drink alkaline water. 😂",
"https://www.thespainreport.com/articles/77-150627231118-six-year-old-boy-with-diphtheria-in-catalonia-dies. \n\nReally sad shit that some parents put their kids in the line of fire.",
"Thanks for the kind words! Good luck to you!",
"They've done studies that show this isn't really true. Religious grieve just as much as everyone else. Some get comfort from the idea of heaven, while others get misery thinking their loved ones are in hell, or that it was somehow their fault they died and they're being punished.",
"Nigeria's birth rate is plummeting. It won't be reflected in population growth changes for possibly a generation, but it's still happening. ",
"Uhhh the only genes which might be \"stronger\" (using that phrase is a dead giveaway that you know absolutely nothing about genetics, btw) are those which combat the diseases which we now don't have to suffer through.",
"Jesus all within four days of each other",
"Only for nouns...",
"I wonder if there were any 1800s r/raisedbynarcissists parents who killed their children because of that saying.",
"My Grandpa has a heart attack at 36 because he had rheumatic fever as a kid. \n\nIt doesn’t just kill right away, it affects your body for your entire life. ",
"WebMD says you're pregnant and have testicular cancer.",
"> ~~miniscule~~ no chance in contracting\n\nThese people are absolutely counting on the rest of us to vaccinate. If they think at all.\n\n",
"Nah, man. My parents are old school anti-vaccers. Strange, right? I have been thinking about this subject a lot and it's because my ex is an anti-vaccer and a lot of the information she has given sounds sketchy as hell and to be honest, I don't think she ever told me where she obtained these \"facts\"",
"My grandmother lost a little sister to diptheria.",
"Clean water and sewage is an enormous factor at play",
"Why is that bad? Evolution just means a change in the frequency of alleles in a population, if the current frequency is working then why mess with it?",
"Y",
"It's been Real Estate",
"Yes, it would. Redditors and random people on social networks don't fit that criteria.",
"Also when antibiotics wasn't an option.",
"We had to go get our tdap shots when the twins were born. They’ll be 6 in May. \n\nSide effects for me were awful. I had almost debilitating joint pain in my knees for three months after the shot. I’d have to wrap and ice my knees every other night and it was almost goddamn unbearable. ",
"Nice! That’s what it’s all about. My best jewelry finds are just sterling rings. ",
"Being an anti-vaxxer should be illegal. ",
"I am pro vaccine but imo you can't compare positively having a diagnosed disease that absolutely WILL kill the child without insulin injections with injecting your kid with a vaccine that probably will prevent a disease they may or may not contract. ",
"Which they wouldn't have needed if they were vaccinated. ",
"I could be both. My feet have been hurting and my balls are swollen. I think I’m pregnant. ",
">God forbid your child gets autism instead of dying\n\nThis is a terrible argument. Autism is a spectrum, and for some people it is a lifelong disability where they will need to be in a group home once they reach 18 years old. My neighbor’s kid is like this, and it’s terrible watching their family try to take care of him. The other children in the house suffer because all of their resources go to taking care of a kid that eats dirt and can’t communicate or use the bathroom by himself. The mom has told me that she wants to have another baby, but she can’t because she spends so much time and energy taking care of her disabled son. He’s also very large too, and one day he will be bigger and stronger than his parents. That’s not good if the kid ever has violent outbursts, as many nonverbal autistic people are prone to do. \n\nI honestly wonder if him dying as a baby would have been better than that existence. I really don’t know, but he’s not living much of a life. ",
"Also, please don't group people that feel that the current schedule of vaccinations in the US is too high and badly timed with those that think all vaccines are bad.",
"16 kids… jesus.",
"Togo ran 200 miles more than any other team on that run. Including in 65mph winds over breaking ice. Including times when his owner couldn't see and Togo was leading with no human supervision\n\nEvery dog who did that is a hero. They did more than I have in my life time and I'm a human. But, Togo (and team) did far more than anyone else on that run\n\nhttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Togo_(dog)",
"women also like having sex.",
"Yea because if we're stupid enough to poison our children, everyone should have to take the plunge! Loser. ",
"Balto's team finished 2 legs after finding the team there were supposed to handoff to asleep, as well as overcoming a few hazards. Balto deserves some cred. \nAlthough I think it all comes down to people choosing their heroes because it's just not possible to remember all of the people involved. It was very tactful with the pressure of fame on the musher to push his dog into the spotlight.",
"There's an official Ghost Town in Northern Michigan called Pere Cheney. It was wiped out by 2 back to back diptheria outbreaks/witch curses. I've visisted it several times, there are tombstones like this. It certainly does put things into perspective.",
"I don't think they have any concept of it. It would be sobering if they did.",
"No this is what happens when indoor plumbing wasn't an option, Personal hygiene was a disaster and medical sanitation was almost nonexistent. Do you know how you get polio? By getting poop in your mouth...how often do you get poop in and around your mouth?",
"Is that 10336 reported cases or is the number supposed to be extrapolated somehow. How many people actually go to the doctor for the flu unless they are at risk of it causing them serious harm instead of discomfort while their body fights it. It may be true that lots of people who think they have the flu don't but it's also almost certainly true that cases in otherwise healthy people (who make up most of the population) are going to go unreported and the real number of cases is much, much higher.",
"Am I the only one that read \"vaccinations\" as \"vacations\"? ",
"I'm not arguing that refusing to vaccinate is smart or good or decent in any way.\n\n>take your choice, here's a real example i found after a 6 second search rather than the erroneous 3 second search for the story i gave you last time:\n\nI'm going to need you to try a 30 second search. This one is a bad example.\n\nTheir toddler died because they didn't take him to a hospital when he began exhibiting symptoms of bacterial meningitis.\n\nTheir anti-vaccination stance likely had nothing to do with it. Why?\nFrom the article, we can't quite determine which strain killed the child. The child died at 19 months of age and according to the Canadian vaccination schedule, the vaccination against of of the strains is not necessarily indicated until 23 months of age.\n\nThis baby died because of the moron parents who thought that echinacea was a good substitute for Cefotaxime. The three months of house arrest that they received was not nearly a severe enough penalty.\n\n>i genuinely assert to you: how the hell is that a greater threat to freedom in your mind? \n>genuine question\n>what about the dead baby? how is their freedom doing?\n\nGenuine answer: The events of the previous century show me that over-reaching governments are responsible for far more needless deaths and suffering than stupid parents.",
"Car crashes does that every year",
"«In memory of teacher M.H. Larsen and wife Emilie's five children who died of diphteriea in 1903»\nIts either Norwegian or Danish. Pretty much the same back then.",
"Here you dropped your /s",
"Yea, you're not telling me anything new, except I really think you met an older and more traditional crowd.\n\nWhen a child is born in South Korea, the baby is considered \"1\" when it is born- hence part of the reason why South Koreans calculate age with adding 1 year (and another at New Years). The length of pregnancy (which is actually closer to 10 months than 9) is considered when calculating for age. Although 100 days ceremony is still important today, the naming thing for babies until 100 days is going out of fashion. All of the people I met were named at birth.\n\nSo this idea that you seem to have that Koreans don't name their children because they might die- or at least that's the impression you gave me- is erroneous. Koreans regard that the child indeed has a life upon conception- and the 100 days ceremony celebrated today has less to do with fear of mortality and more about celebrating 100 days on earth, celebrating the baby's future. \n\nFor me- it's not weird at all to grieve the loss of a child, even if it was stillborn or dies early in childhood. Hell, there's a freaking reason why women go through depression when they miscarry. It is a real loss- and if you're going to look at the scientific side of it- a woman's body goes through hell when the body miscarries or gives birth to a stillborn. \n\nSorry to assume, but it doesn't seem like you are writing with the perception that you could ever be personally pregnant (I'm assuming you're a guy). As a woman, I'm terrified of pregnancy. Of going through months of developing a fetus in my body, the bonding experiences (with the release of natural hormones and chemicals) to aid in the safe development of a fetus- and to potentially lose my health, my life, or this baby I would be carrying for nearly a year? \n\nYea. There's a clear reason why people grieve. Of why people would need to grieve to better aid in their healing process. To help the mother and family gain a support system to help heal after the loss of a child. Should I ever become pregnant, I know I would need a solid support system and go into the pregnancy with the best intentions and support systems in order to be the best mother I could be. I hope I never have to face miscarriage- the shame, the guilt, disappointment in myself... even though I know how common miscarriages are, I can definitely see how devastating it could be. \n\nIt absolutely makes sense why people grieve even the loss of a fetus through miscarriage. ",
"ain't need no lesson took basic chemistry in highschool",
"Well your clearly dumb most of those cases are attributed to SID's. Additionally that's a really low number statistically 2000ish people dying over a 27 year period? Wow that's like...really low...like..sad they died but that's statistically not significant. Like this is stupid the data they've gathered is proving themselves wrong.",
"Or maybe because you can't prove any of your bizarre claims and the burden of your stupidity on society is too large.",
"I mean I know that people here are still somewhat guarded. But when you're only paying less than £10 for a prescription it's a lot better. ",
"Thanks for the correction. I was going off of [this list](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1925_serum_run_to_Nome#Relay_participants_and_distances) at the bottom of the article about the 1925 Serum Run. I guess he ran 91 miles carrying the serum, but 200 miles overall. ",
"You can evolve Autismo once you have enough xp. \n\n",
"The parents both lived 40-50 more years, and had 16 kids in total. 8 survived to adulthood. One was born just weeks before these 5 died - imagine caring for a newborn in the midst of all this...",
"Because people like to take the word of celebrities over the word of medical professionals.\n\nIn the 90's a famous model couldn't come to terms with the fact that she gave birth to a son with autism (she considered him damaged/imperfect), so she led a very public charge against vaccines. If I recall correctly: there was a single vaccine that contained a small amount of Mercury for a very short period of time. This was due to a greater need to combat an ongoing epidemic than to wait for new research to be perfected/proven (which happened only months later). As Mercury is highly toxic, those vaccinated in this tiny window ran the slightest risk of brain damage, but the CDC (or FDA) wasn't as upfront with this information as some members of the public would have liked. \n\nThe model latched onto this and stupidly equated autism to brain damage and vaccines to government conspiracies, thus the anti-vax movement was born. She even paid off a single, now-stripped and shamed physician to back her claims.\n\nAs it turns out, we had a weak understanding of autism in the early '90s as well and her kid is actually just slightly socially challenged; not even autistic. She's cost grunted hundreds, if not thousands, of lives while instilling a deadly philosophy, all over her damaged ego.",
"Woot, anecdotes FTW",
"Unfortunately in the US, infant deaths and deaths of mothers due to child birth are scary high. South Korea has a very solid and cutting edge medical industry.",
"If you actually translated the word \"Difteritis\" you would have worked out that it says \"Diptheria\", and pretty clearly does explain what they died from.",
"I read this also and immediately thought one of their parents went bat shit crazy from never having a vacation and killed them all.",
"You know, I don’t think so. Just cause you have more kids doesn’t mean you love them less or the loss is less painful. ",
"Nah, his owner was just a bit of a glory hound. Balto could be seen as the true underdog story here, he was seen as \"second-string,\" just another part of the pack, but he still led an extremely difficult run through an Alaskan snow-storm.\n\nThe \"most dangerous\" superlative attached to Seppala/Togo's part of the run is only because their route crossed Norton Sound (a frozen-over sound of the Bering Sea) twice, including once in the middle of the night, across ice that broke up and drifted to sea only a few hours after they crossed. The entire thing was dangerous as all hell, but what Seppala and Togo did was Top 10 all-time hero work.",
"I can't even imagine.",
"And it's a good thing when anti vaxxers die from this stuff.",
"I meant to imply that back then it wasn't, but today it is an option. So people owe our ancestors to make use of todays medical technology. ",
"It was oddly phrased",
"It sounds like mono! Would somebody be able to tell what it is by symptoms alone?",
"If that's a plan, it's a horribly cruel and nasty one. I don't believe I'll subscribe to that theory.",
"What? You are the luckiest sob in the area. You can be whatever you job you wanted. The sky is the limit.",
"Yeah, I think it was ~170 miles to get into position for a 91 mile run putting him at 261 miles which was 200 miles longer than anyone else had to run consecutively. (Basing on Wikipedia and that list)",
"Yeah, other sources in this thread say they had 4(?) more at this time - one was just weeks old.",
"Each women is an individual being. \"Women like having sex\" is a generalization of half the population you cisgendered, sexist piece of shit!",
"I would absolutely kill myself. That would be it for me. In those days at least the loss of one child was expected but all of them? Nope. I’d be done. I’d find the nearest cliff. Reminds me of that photo of the woman wailing over the bodies of all her dead children after the Armenian genocide. Fucked up. ",
"Happy cakeday!",
"There is a vaccine for chicken pox now! I highly recommend you get your future children vaccinated with it. :)",
"I wish I did that :(",
"You should count your blessings you don't have a \"special\" child.\n\nAnd I'm not even talking about the nice and sweet children who are special but still generally well-behaved. No. Those types are perfectly okay, and though they're not always functional they do their best to help others.\n\nYou don't know hell until you actually see how draining having an abusive non-functional child can be on the parents. And you don't need to be the parents of one to know how terrible it is. You would give *anything* for them to be normal or at least well-behaved and \"different\".\n\nI've shared classes with these types where they clearly *don't* belong. But nobody is going to be that guy to say so. At a certain level of severity, they don't belong in society at all because they're a danger to themselves and others. The fortunate thing is most people have \"mild\" forms of illness or conditions, or severe illness that only affect themselves. (Anxiety comes to mind. I have a very severe disorder, but nobody knows because I don't disrupt anyone around me.)\n\nMost disorders don't cause the sick to lash out and become terribly disruptive to others. That's where you have to draw the line. It's only now that we have the ability to care for these types who can't help themselves, but it's still a terrible burden to bear.",
"Compost heaps provide useful nutrients to a growing garden. You probably mean garbage dump. ",
"Kind of ironic I see this picture when my 2 month old son gets his shots today. ",
"Classy\n\nNot to mention there's isn't much to get vaxxed for as an adult...theres far better ways to protect against flu, flu shots are (statistically) $#!%.",
"I began to weep, this comment was so beautiful.",
"I'm just saying that the ones who die are weaker...strong kids go on to have more strong kids. \n\n\nIn today's age, even the dumbest rock can have 17 kids",
"The thing is that to understand how vaccines actually work on a societal basis takes a few steps of thought and anti-vaxxers seem unwilling to put the effort in. It's not as simple as effective rates or vaccination rates. If you have a vaccine that's 80% effective yet 95%+ people get it, you can virtually eliminate a disease through herd immunity. They can't grasp that and can't understand that as long as vaccination rates stay above a certain threshold it protects those unable to receive the vaccine. \n\nSo hypothetically maybe a vaccination rate for a disease is 93% in a given area and then it dips to 89%. This doesn't mean 4% more people die, it can mean that 100 people die whereas nobody was dying from it before. \n\n",
" I bought a pair of leather Country Road zip knee boots for my 12yo daughter for $4. Retail over $300 new. Kid has a closet full of label wear for pennies to the dollar. Her friends think I'm rich or something lol. ",
"That's oddly written. time goes by, there have always been ups and downs in living conditions, God's plans are way too big for us to try to puzzle out.",
"That is paranoid and irrational thinking. 1) they have no incentive to do that. 2) if you can’t trust your government then something is wrong with your political system. You should then focus on reforming the system rather than fighting vaccination",
"Fine with me",
"Are you a selfish piece of shit if you think the US schedule is too early compared to other Western countries?\n\nI mean most of us here only got 1/3 of what is being pushed now, and we got them later - after our natural immune system had a chance to develop and fight on it's own.\n\nAccording to Reddit there are only two sides to this debate. That is far from the case.",
"Well I know [trust in the government](http://www.people-press.org/2015/11/23/1-trust-in-government-1958-2015/), [institutions](https://www.thestandard.co.zw/2017/02/05/trust-time-low-global-institutions/), and[ media](http://news.gallup.com/poll/195542/americans-trust-mass-media-sinks-new-low.aspx) is at all time low, so that's not exactly helping. People seem pretty distrustful these days all-around. Even [trust in doctors is falling](https://www.livescience.com/48407-americans-trust-doctors-falling.html).\n",
"Offer an introductory leasing price of $1 for a full year, maybe two.",
"\nYou didn't pay the $4.99 micro-transaction fee to unlock a new vaccine spot.",
"From what I understand of other sources posted in this thread it was bad medication that killed them in the end - they were in effect accidentally poisoned.",
"Not always. \n\nSometimes things just mutate.\nThe parents aren't to blame for their child's deviancy.\n\nCase in point: parents who do everything right and correct yet their child still turns into a mess or a criminal. Sometimes there's nothing you can do.\n\nNow, if there's a pattern there it might be different.",
"God I am so sorry. I had whooping cough about 5 years ago. I can understand how it could kill infants and the elderly.\n\nI hope you feel better soon!",
"The study made no conclusion except that they felt more studies needed to be done. *That* is what offended so many.\n\nFunny how *indicating a possible field of inquiry* can get your medical license revoked, because that's what happened.",
"That is. No child deserves that. ",
"Population growth rates and birth rates are not the same thing. They're related, but changes in birth rate are reflected in changes in population growth rate after a significant lag.\n\nAfrican countries have the highest birth rates in the world, but they also have the highest mortality rates in the world. Replacement rate for the first world is about 2.3, whereas in most of Africa it's closer to 5. Nigeria's current birth rate is about 5.7 as of 2015 and dropping rapidly. It was above 6 in 2012. Still positive, but not for long. ",
"And even if they are malicious, I recognize I'm not well enough equipped to tell the difference. So unless I'm going to go through medical school to know for certain, I might as long go along with it and trust them because I need them for other things too.",
"Better than getting autism",
"My heart hurts for the loss of your first child. I’m so sorry. ",
"Not to say anything against your point, but from what I understand it was actually bad medication that killed them.",
"You should link them this post. ",
"I thought it said this is what happens when vacations weren’t an option",
"Yep. Even today with modern medicine, birthing my second child nearly killed me. I needed serious medical intervention to get him out, had two different postpartum infections within three days of the birth, and each medical problem cascaded into another lasting almost a full year after the birth. There are literally six different ways that birth almost killed me.",
"Let's just say, men typically initiate. At that time, it would be men almost exclusively initiating sex with their wives. Heck, even nowadays, my wife hardly ever initiates. It's embarrassing for her, because your setting yourself up for rejection. That's especially embarrassing for a woman, to be turned down for sex.\n\nEdit- I need there's a bunch of horny women out there. Where have you been all my life!? Lol",
"rofl",
"My point is you're dumb as fuck. Is that in simpler terms for you?",
"I can’t believe my comment got negative votes!! ",
"100% our business, no debate. Vaccination is only effective in groups, not vaccinating you children makes them more vulnerable to getting sick, and once they're sick they can spread that sickness to vaccinated children.\n\nHorrible, terrifying diseases are coming back in America that had previously been almost wiped out thanks to, yes, these literal fucking monsters who propagate lies that vaccines are harmful. ",
"Hey OP, is this in Lake Isabella, CA? I think I have been to this Grave Yard.",
"They're tearing down all my childhood heroes. Next I'll hear about Balto humping the unwilling Nome huskies.",
"The problem with those statements is they are full of conspiracy theories and what-ifs that you cannot prove.",
"it sucks, but there is a price to pay for FREEDOM FROM GOVERNMENT MANDATED INJECTIONS to a frickin new born kid..\n\nkeep your baby healthy, feed it a proper organic/natural diet, you should be fine if your a good parent. none of my kids are vaccinated and we are just fine. more than fine actually! ☺☺👍",
"Cher: “Do you belieeeeve...”",
"My bad bro. Jumped to conclusions ",
"'Til' means 'to' in danish. ",
"> Losing 5 babies in a week? \n\nThe Lord works in mysterious ways. ",
"Best of luck, friend!",
"Batman begins. \n\nBatman ends. \n\n",
"Sigh... just read the history books about the importance of vaccines or do you think big pharma has altered the history books as well?\n\nVaccination has a long established proven track record. To dispute this means you must believe in a global conspiracy to feed us an alternative history in every country and every language.",
"Right, I remember when my neighbour's five kids fell off their scooters and died on five consecutive days...\n\nP.S.: Sign on the left says they died from diphtheria.",
"\"You hate science!\"",
"I'm allergic to the Tdap unfortunately. Unless they've changed the vaccination drastically, I had a seizure after the first round, so only got like 1/3 immunised. I have had pertussis as well (in 2012), it's not pleasant in the slightest. ",
"Stop trying to make Oprah happen. ",
"Well I didn't think it was possible to get any darker in this thread. Once again the internet proved me wrong!",
"I lost my kids a few times. They always managed to find there way back though. ",
"I’m on the death train too. Choo choo\n\n",
"I make influenza vaccine. Many people will find it surprising that the vaccine you get has no live virus whatsoever. What you get is a surface protein called hemmaglutinin. It will be a trivalent or quadrivalent vaccine meaning it contains 4 different strains of hemagluttinin. This is an antigen and your body will create antibodies to those strains. You do not get sick from the vaccine. If you feel sick afterwards, you did not get sick from it, it was an overreaction in your body to the protein and your body is fighting as of it's infected but you're not. You'll be fine. If you get the flu later that year it's by a strain not in the vaccine you received",
"/r/outside ",
"I did - part of what I was trying to convey is how benign it may initially appear. The biological pathway of the toxin is also fascinating, and terrifying.",
"Whose statistic? Andrew Wakefield's?",
"\"Death occurs in 5% to 10% of those affected.\"\n\nLess deadly than the flu, and we still don't have a vaccine for that. ",
"The real tragedy of this stupid trend is the fact it was essentially started by someone who was going through \"grief\". Sadly that person was a selfish b-list celebrity who thinks they know better than everyone. \n\nIt's not uncommon for the parents of children born with mental health conditions to have grief like feelings. They don't understand how it happened and look for something/one to blame. Like most times with grief appears no one is to blame usually. So they're left with these feelings of anger and sadness that they can't direct anywhere. \n\nThen the stupid bastard who wrote a false paper to get that sweet \"hey my book says something contrary to the established norm, oooh drama, I'm such a rebel and unique mind\" money that ...oligopolies for stereotyping bored American housewives lap up. Gets into the hands a moronic b-list celeb with an inflated ego going through this grief, gives her a target for the grief, uses her influence to spread what should've been another footnote on the history of science.\n\nLike boohoo lady your child didn't develop \"correctly\" in your womb. Your not to blame, the vaccines and doctors aren't to blame. A simple mistake in the developmental process is to blame. We can't control it or \"fix it\" in this day and age yet. She literally doomed hundreds of children to poor health and death to make herself feel less guilty and sad about having a autistic child. I'm more pissed off at her than the bastard who wrote the false papers. ",
"You're still allowed to have bad days. Strife is relative, just like the sensation of hot and cold. Don't feel bad because you could have been much worse off – your feelings are no less important.",
"UNCLE BOOOOOOORRRRIIIIIISSSSS",
"The US medical industry is too tied up in capitalism, moneymaking, and politics to put Hippocratic ideals first anymore.",
"I thought it said she was born in June? Either way, being pregnant and going through this... I'd certainly worry about a miscarriage.",
"And please remember to stay grateful for our continent Africa, because it was us who enlightened you about the vaccination concept.",
"I did ;)",
"I understand the sentiment, but that's a difficult one to codify into law without causing great harm. At some point in the future, there will be a bad vaccine that causes harm. At first, the usual denial will happen. But then, the formula will be fixed. In between that time, you make it illegal for people to be cautious.\n\nThis has happened in the past with the pertussis vaccine in the 80s. I was one of many people nearly killed by that. It could be that the law makes exception for new vaccines. I don't know. That's a nightmare for someone else.",
"Yeah I think with the second part of the sentence you didn’t even need the s/ but people love to jump to conclusions. I’ve seen several other obviously sarcastic posts being replied to seriously haha oh well you have my upvote ",
"Hey man, my sex life is none of your business!",
"Anyone smart should do a minimal amount of research on vaccine dangers before potentially destroying their child's life. I've done mine, and there's no point in me debating with something like you. Go get your flu shot. ",
"And most of the time, you should not whip it out during conversation. And please, do not force it on children.",
"I some reason read that as \"vacations\"...",
"You forgot the resume ಠ_ಠ ",
"Lol I remember I attend the Iditarod every year!",
"How is this not a movie? ",
"Goodbye fellow redditor, it was nice reading your profile page before you leave us.",
"I hope you reported that nurse. ",
"i don't agree with this at all. you're making a lot of assumptions about the female psyche here. perhaps in your subjective experience, women aren't attempting to initiate sex with you...and perhaps it has something to do with your attitude about sex and gender roles.",
"Vaccines suck\n",
"> It's also important to know that they (or at least most) aren't doing this for selfish reasons.\n\nI don't know. I mean I understand that some people are genuinely scared for their kids for misguided reasons but I can't help thinking that some of the folks that go full tin foil hat on this really want to see themselves as the smartest folks in the room. I'd say they're right wing versions of special snowflakes but I know there are a lot of Jill Stein supporting types on the left that believe this nonsense also. \n\n",
"Twice in other posts you've referred to it as snake oil and poison. \n\nYou're obviously very animated about this subject. Did someone you know and love die of a preventable disease? Would you like to talk about it?",
"It's kinda tragic to lose a child to the flu of all things when the world was at war. Like damn talk about bad luck.",
"Looks like some one had cholera on the Oregon Trail",
"This reminds me of Angela’s Ashes where like half his siblings die in infancy because of crappy living conditions in Ireland. ",
"I know you're just expressing what one point a view is out there, but for the sake of arguing the viewpoint - It's more than minor inconvenience, infants and anyone with a weakened immune system can die from chicken pox. Also the virus actually stays in your nerves for life, not doing much and hiding from your immune system. But it can become active again later in life and attack the nerves, a painful and disabling condition known as Shingles. People also die from flu. It's important to vaccinate not just to protect your own child but to minimize spread of the disease to protect others. If you're already sold on getting vaccines just get them all. ",
"Plus they were all just sex addicts anyway. ",
"Read the title as: This is what happened when _vacation_ wasn't an option",
"Thanks for the diagnosis doctor",
"“It causes autism!”\n\n“Die then.”",
"At least they don't have autism and have stronger natural immunity now.\n\n/S",
"Togo doesn't sound as cool as Balto",
"https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/whatifstop.htm",
"I was talking with someone who provided her \"source\" of information, which was in the form of - her word- \"inserts\" created by anti-vaccine groups using the standard buzzwords, which could be easily disproven by even the most basic high school chemistry and biology courses.",
"No worries; I didn't think you were saying so, just figured I'd mention it in case anyone reading isn't as familiar with the different symptoms and conditions involved in the spectrum. The high- and low-functioning terms tend to make it sound like a sliding scale of 'severe' to 'mild' autism, but it's more the case that there's a scale of severity for each symptom/condition, [like this](https://i.imgur.com/WSjYwIH.jpg).",
"In Greece When a couple has a baby we say \" to live\" as a wish... Leftover from a time without vaccination...",
"The good part: As recently as 1980 there were 100,000 cases of Diphtheria reported worldwide. In 2015, there were 4,500 cases reported. \n\nIn 1921, the US had 206,000 cases of diphtheria, and 15,520 deaths from it. From 1980 to 2004, 57 cases were reported in the US. Not 57 per year. 57 total over 24 years. ",
"No normal person believes we should blindly trust vaccines. Of course there should be checks and balances to makes sure they are as safe as possible. \n\nBut if you feel that your children are better off without any vaccinations because of some rare issues with some vaccines then you are a selfish moron. \n\nUnfortunately it's your children that will get what you deserve, along with any imunocompromised kids they come in contact with. ",
"Read through his posts. He's got some good ones in there. Ken M style shitposts.",
"At least there was no autism!",
"Last year, my parents and I took a trip out to the farm where my dad grew up. I've been there before (as a child), but this was a special trip, as my dad has Alzheimer's, and I knew that the trip was one of my last opportunities to really see and hear about my dad's childhood. It's abandoned now and the house is gone, but there were still a few sheds and my dad showed me where he would play with his siblings in the milking shed and grain bins.\n\nWhat I didn't know was that there was a little graveyard behind the farm. There must have been a church there shortly before my grandparents bought the property, and it held the community's dead from the late 1800's to around 1940. It was heartbreaking to see the family plots with parents that lived into the 20's or 30's surrounded by half a dozen graves of children that had died around the turn of the century, often under the age of 5. Sadly, but not surprisingly, about half the graves in the cemetery were from around 1918-1919, right around the time of the influenza. Although my dad didn't know these people, he recognized the last names of children that he'd attended school with-obviously these were family members of the previous generation. My dad was one of eight children, all of whom are alive today. My grandparents were born in the era of the children in that graveyard, and it was suddenly very sobering to realize that they were the lucky survivors of that time, and I wondered how many siblings my grandparents lost to those same epidemics. It was because of luck in my grandparents' generation that they lived to give birth to my parents. And, very likely, it was thanks to vaccines that my parents grew up with no major childhood illnesses, and were alive and healthy enough to have me. ",
"1918 was a hell of a year",
"Wow what is the source on that? I'm very interested in the plague during that time and how it affected people I'd love to read more. ",
"> Every dog ~~who did that~~ is a hero\n\nFTFY\n\n",
"https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/hcp/patient-ed/conversations/downloads/vacsafe-thimerosal-color-office.pdf",
"Diphtheria or autism 😅 /s /s /s please know what /s means",
"ok, 30 seconds\n\nhere's a couple hundred child deaths from no vaccine for you:\n\nhttps://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/most-kids-who-died-flu-weren-t-vaccinated-study-finds-n742046\n\n>The events of the previous century show me that over-reaching governments are responsible for far more needless deaths and suffering than stupid parents.\n\nyou're changing the topic\n\nthis is about vaccinations\n\nyou don't win an argument about vaccinations by bloviating about nazis and stalin. different topic is a different topic\n\nif you don't vaccinate, you should be forced. this has nothing to do with autocracy or totalitarianism. govt crushing your rights has nothing to do with morons crushing your greatest right: your life\n\nevery day cops are chasing down and pointing guns at people who threaten lives. that is of course the way it should be, and is not totalitarianism, but simply law enforcement protecting us\n\nif you continue to conflate two different topics you're simply not intellectually honest\n\n",
"Lmao, okay, I mean sure fine, some people are into that shit (pun intended), so in that case get vaccinated.. XD",
"When people were trying to get me to get help for my depression, someone asked me what I'd do if one of my best friends was experience X symptoms, and what I'd say to her. After my explanation they gave me a funny look and it kind of clicked (that and my husband's threat of leaving me). ",
"Food too",
"That reads \"Jesus couldn't save your ass\".\n\nGet vaccinated people. ",
"Vaccines in the early days of the technology was not safe at all. Some of them had 10 to 30 chance to kill you. Despite the risk, people were trampling each other to get them. The extremely rich were leveraging thier fortunes to gain access to these unsafe vaccines before the masses. Why? Because children were dropping like flies. And today we have vaccines that are pretty much 100% safe, and idiots refuse to use them. Maybe these anti vaxers should examine how desperate people were when there were no vaccines and the odds were at least one of your children were going to die from a disease that we have forgotten exists. ",
"I heard this reason about kids who cannot be vaccinated because of immune disorders etc.. Not questioning the reason but am wondering what percentage of children fall into this category?",
"True, most being small children or the elderly. Did the math: roughly .15% of those who contract the flu died since 2010. The state of medical care/vaccination rates certainly helps keep that number low. Compared to car deaths last year at 40K I would say the Flu has become a tangible and manageable issue. But unlike polio, it is a much more rapidly evolving and has innumerable strains popping up over time. But it terrifies me that polio has resurfaced in the 1st world, not from a new strain, but failure by parent to vaccinate. I think children under 16 should be vaccinated for the flu and adults over 60. Because those are the groups that have the hardest time with it. Even if there is a chance a different flu gets them sick, at least it wasn't due to negligence. But not vaccinating a child for controllable diseases is insane. ",
"Although I am going to play devil's advocate, the pharmaceutical companies aren't really trusted, often even by those who do get vaccinated. Throw in a few bad burns when something is made mandatory, and see how well people respond to vaccinations being made mandatory... You didn't see anywhere near the level of resistance before they started making them mandatory. When you think about it, sure there are people who have reactions to the vaccine, now throw in the level of distrust, the fact information can spread rapidly, and now they make it mandatory... Seems like they are up to something, nobody knows what, and the few reactions are taken at face value without realizing it is actually an allergy to one of the compounds that they can test and provide shots without the egg whites, even though it is more expensive and less effective...",
"What rock do live under? Must be fucking great to live in a world that you can trust the govement. Cuz you kno what? Them elite pedos that basically run the world, they are doing everything they can to impose the NWO. That is the incentive. It is a fuckton easier to control a world with a few million people than now with 7 billion of us. Paranoid yes. And maybe 60-70 years ago, very irrational. This day and age not so much. \n\nHow much the govement pay you? Do you really trust them? Bullshit",
"> At some point in the future, there will be a bad vaccine that causes harm.\n\nand i stopped reading there\n\nyou don't win an argument about a real threat by making up a fake one\n\nnevermind nobody is mass vaccinated by anything that isn't thoroughly tested\n\nyou have nothing but useless FUD\n\n",
"> Thank god for vaccination.\n\nThe nerve.",
"I'll love balto till the day I die idgaf",
"Thank you. People who didn't have to grow up with an autistic family member don't get it. They think it's some delightful quirk instead of something that ruins the lives of an entire family. \n\nNot supporting anti-vaxxers obviously, those people are idiots. But everyone is right to fear having an autistic child. Currently, only 15% of various mental disorders on the autism spectrum are detectable through prenatal screening. Please donate as much money as you can to raising that number.",
"**[SPOILER]** He's not dead yet in either series--TV *or* comic.",
"Apparently there is a man aged 131 in Denmark. ",
"Can someone explain what’s the point of a vaccine if you can still get a disease from someone who is not vaccinated?",
"Found the anti-vaxxer. Please don't be a parent.",
"Riiiight, that's why in 1988 there were 350,000 cases of polio, and in 2016 there were 37. Even in India, things haven't improved enough in the cities to explain that without the vaccine.",
"One shares my bday.. ",
"They're good dogs, Brent.",
"One of my relatives has an autistic daughter and would probably give anything for her to be normal once in a while. One of the big issues is that her daughter understands technology really well, and has on many occasions logged onto ebay, set up her mum's credit card and spent a couple hundred pounds on buying pokemon teddies. No amount of locking down the account will solve the problem.",
"More educated parents are likely to have read the study which was later retracted as false by the author, then not back down from their belief for fear of being viewed as ignorant. Ignorant doesn’t mean stupid, it means lacking information and in this case refusing to review past decisions. \n\nEducation is also highly correlated with wealth and having money for decent food, housing, and regular visits to a doctor is a great way not to get sick. Also living around people who do the same in relatively clean wealthy neighborhoods. ",
"sarcasm",
"No chance they had a shitty babysitter?",
"You can't use personal experiences when arguing with logic/facts. ",
"\"So how was your weekend?\"",
"Makes money and induces profitable disease",
"You are less likely to get it the more people vaccinate, and it's easier for your body to combat it and it's less likely to spread to others",
"That’s how I do it. Currently wearing Superdry, J Crew, and Diesel. Stuntin on a budget. ",
"ಥ_ಥ",
"Having chicken pox is a prerequisite of having shingles, but it's still somewhat rare.\n\nBut yeah, if there's a vaccine now, get it. I had chicken pox in my 20's. It Really Sucked. ",
"oh great now here comes a million fucking vaccination posts. CHOO CHOO KARMA EXPRESS",
"My mother at some point lamented that mercury in USSR vaccines could have contributed to me developing asthma, to which I replied: first of all - no, secondly - I'm alive and not brain damaged (measles)! ",
"> And today we have vaccines that are pretty much 100% safe\n\nThe studies have never been done, so we don't know that as a fact\n\nExperts who are fed up of Big Pharma not funding the necessary studies are now [crowdfunding for their trials](https://patientdanmark.dk/private-forces-to-raise-funds-research-into-aluminium-in-vaccines/), so unless the industry can find a way of putting a stop to this then at some point we'll be finding out the real undeniable danger of the substances in vaccines, which will at last force Big Pharma to invest in improving the safety of their products. ",
"This is my 7th year out of high school and so far 0.6% of my grade has had babies. That's all I'm going by.",
"This graveyard is in Denmark. But i guess these tragedies can be found on graveyards all over the world. ",
"> Thank god for vaccination. \n\nOr better yet, Thank Edward Jenner.",
"maybe the Tide pods",
"During one of the Republican primary debates, Megyn Kelly asked a candidate (Rubio, I think) how he justifies his view that there should be no exception to abortion in the case of the life of the mother when 80% of the nation supports such an exception.\n\nI was shocked to death that *20% of the fucking country has no problem with letting women die instead of letting them end a pregnancy*.\n\nNinja: a word",
"Lived in “rural poor” Inland area for a while — lots of anti-vaccers.... also lots of the essential oil folks too ",
"Married. Can confirm wife is quite the initiator. ",
"Your second paragraph is literally r/mithrasinvictus's point, except Africa's replacement rate is probably just under 4. Also keep in mind that the first world replacement rate assumes a steady life expectancy and an equal distribution of population among age groups, neither of which are true anywhere except possibly Eastern Europe. Otherwise, South Korea would currently be experiencing a freefall in their population due to their 1.2 birth rate.",
"I think autism is probably more environmental and more than likely something that the parents were exposed to, most likely the mother during pregnancy when the child is forming...",
"Fair point",
"The mean is a terribly confusing fact of math, no pun intended.",
"There were 350,000 cases of polio in 1988, in 2016 there were 37. Do you really think that that's even mostly due to improving conditions in Indian and African cities? Also that doesn't explain the enormous decrease in measles, which is spread through the respiratory system",
"I would gild you if I wasn't broke as shit. Faith is the act of surrendering personal accountability, and it is a poison upon the human species.",
"\"suit you\" :)",
"I get that, but perhaps this is his only outlet. Maybe he has to stay so strong at home that he needs a place to vent? Even if that isn’t the case, some people just.... are not equipped to deal with this kind of difference. \n\nLet’s assume that his son is low functioning. We know his kid is violent enough to be kicked out of kindergarten. So, this guy has a son. At first everything seems wonderful. A happy, chubby, strong little boy. He imagines playing ball together, fixing his son’s first beater car. Seeing his son go to prom. Getting married. You get the picture.\n\nNow, suddenly, a couple years into this dream this man realizes that his kid is falling behind on every developmental milestone that he should be hitting. At first he worries that he’s done something wrong. And when his son starts biting and screaming instead of learning words, he worries that *something awful has happened* “how could I have failed him?” He wonders. So he takes him in to see the Dr., who tells them that it looks like his son has autism.\n\nThe father is crushed. There will be no ball. No cars. No prom. No wedding.\n\nThe reality of extremely low functioning autism is heartbreaking. These can be people who need to be taken into the shower by a caretaker every day of their lives. They may bite and scream because they can’t communicate. They need help in the restroom, help eating, they will never drive or live independently. The people who are at this end of the spectrum are never shown because it is so hard to see.\n\nSo, is it *wrong* for this father to vent here? That’s not my decision. I think that people need a safe place to vent, and I think that having it be here rather than hitting his son or taking it out at Home is preferable. There is a high correlation between people with severe mental disorders (Down syndrome, autism, etc) and abuse by caretakers. So if this person is seeking validation and needs a place to vent so that he doesn’t lash out at his son, I think that’s great.\n\nAnd, maybe he is a shitty father, I don’t know. I have no idea who this person is. All I know is, we can’t judge him too harshly because we don’t know what his life is like.",
"Africa is a testing ground for sterilizing vaccines",
"Probably a real buzz kill that you thought not taking a vaction leads to death.\n\nThough I think there are studies that show a weak link between no vacations and premature death somewhere. Shit...there are studies that show any sort of link that you want, in fact.",
"You've never met a doctor or anyone who graduated high school? Zoinks, home school must be tough :-/",
"Or droplets from coughing or sneezing. Also food or water contaminated with the stool of an infected person.\n\nBe thankful you live somewhere that the government provides clean water.",
"yes we do, and its appears to be more dangerous than getting the actual flu as it leaves you more and more susceptible to flu as you get each new years vaccine.\n\nhttps://globalnews.ca/news/1804162/canadian-study-finds-flu-shot-could-increase-risk-of-getting-sick/",
"They get facts from anti-vaccine supporters. That's the problem. My mom is anti-vaccine (unless it's required, which she could be worse). But she's still mad at me since I decided to get the HPV sequence and the flu shot. Even tho I'm 19 and can make those decisions for myself. She she works in the medical field 🙄😒",
"Is this just a \"all doggos are good boys\" comment or are you trying to actually say something? If so, what do you mean?",
"Proof?",
"I went to an all-girls high school.",
"I decided that I'm enjoying this. I'll keep going. I'll start with the selfishness of people. The United States' citizens alone gave 390 billion dollars to charity in 2017, and according to the world giving index, literally hundreds of millions of people give to charity. It might even be in the low billion range. I'm not going to bother with the math. So, I'd argue that people are kinder than you're giving them credit for. \n\nNext, I'd like to address the \"healthcare is a right\" argument. I personally don't agree with that. It assumes that doctors owe you just because they're doctors. I come from a poor family, but at no point in time did I ever want people to give me things against their will. It goes against my principles. \n\nI'm aware that neither of us are going to change our opinions on this, but I do enjoy learning a bit more about other people's beliefs. So, could you tell me why you believe healthcare is a human right? I'm a little fuzzy on the reason. Is it because it's moral? ",
"And those really cool boats!",
"My mom is deaf and my grandma believes it was because she contracted german measles when she was an infant. Vaccinate your kids.",
"Yeah, tell that to all the forced medical professionals who are now unable to work because of severe long term reactions.",
"What's your point? ",
"[Harvard doctor admits he's too scared to speak truth on vaccines as Big Pharma are watching, implies there will be consequences](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXunKd0N_WA)",
"Looks like they were on the Oregon Trail.......",
"5, 13, 6, 4 and 2 years of age. What a terrible tragedy.",
"The former I believe.",
"Are you linking a news article to disprove what I said? I'm going to assume that's what you're doing, since I don't see why else you would have linked this.\n\nWith that in mind, here we go:\n\nFirst, the TL;DR. Here's a Snopes article debunking the claim that the Kenyan government/WHO are sterilizing Kenyan women: https://www.snopes.com/medical/disease/tetanus.asp\n\nThe website you linked, globalresearch.ca has a disclaimer at the bottom that reads:\n\n>Disclaimer: The contents of this article are of sole responsibility of the author(s). The Centre for Research on Globalization will not be responsible for any inaccurate or incorrect statement in this article. The Center of Research on Globalization grants permission to cross-post original Global Research articles on community internet sites as long as the text & title are not modified. The source and the author's copyright must be displayed.\n\nWhile something like this can be interpreted as standard legal jargon for a second-source news site, I'd also consider is a red flag. It allows the site to post as many false and inflammatory things as they please, all while maintaining that they are simply reporting what other sources say. \n\nI bring this up because the site they took the article from Lifesitenews.com, which might seem like a normal news site until you reach number three of their \"About\" page:\n\n>LifeSiteNews.com’s writers and its founders, have come to understand that respect for life and family are endangered by an international conflict. That conflict is between radically opposed views of the worth and dignity of every human life and of family life and community. It has been caused by secularists attempting to eliminate Christian morality and natural law principles which are seen as the primary obstacles to implementing their new world order.\n\nIf that reads like some tin-foil hat conspiracy site, that's because it is. It's funded by a pro-life non-profit in Canada. Their entire site is pro-life focused articles, so it makes sense they would host content that focuses on the alleged forced sterilization of young women. \n\nLast but not least, here's a nice, impartial write up by the Washington Post: \nhttps://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2014/11/14/the-tense-standoff-between-catholic-bishops-and-the-kenyan-government-over-tetanus-vaccines/?utm_term=.2f14a7d9b85e\n\nOf note: \n\n> Although the actual test results haven't been released to the public by the bishops, the Catholic News Agency says it has seen a copy. And, the wire service writes, while \"copies of the lab results obtained by CNA do show positive test results for the presence of the beta-hCG, reference levels given on the lab reports show that levels present in the vaccines are within 'normal values' for healthy men and women.\"\n\n>UNICEF, which also says it's seen the results, added another note of caution, arguing that the labs testing the samples for the Catholic groups were not informed that they were testing a vaccine and used \"analyzers used for testing human samples like blood and urine for pregnancy\" to look for the presence of the hormone, which happens to be the very same one detected by pregnancy tests.\n\n>Kevin Donovan, director of the Pellegrino Center for Clinical Bioethics at Georgetown University, seemed to cautiously agree in an interview with CNA. \"I suspect that the tests that the hospital labs tried to do for the Catholic bishops weren't really designed to test the way that they did, maybe giving them erroneous results,” he said.\n\nSo to sum it all up, the news sites perpetuating this story are biased and conspiracy based, and the tests that were carried out and caused this whole thing were likely not performed correctly, leading to false positives and bad results. ",
"Ok I phrased it poorly. What I mean is that something about pencillin in the title wouldve been more relevant than vaccine considering it was invented earlier, and that you still can get sick from vaccine.\n\nVaccine was not an option before pencillin because it wouldn't make any sense to risk peoples deaths before knowing that an epidemic would occur, if it ever would.",
"Dang, you're over 100 years old? ",
"I'd say you can safely remove «in this country» from your comment. ",
"Then you're just fine with people dying for no reason, so there's not really any debate to be had since death is fine in your opinion.",
"I just burst out laughing. Thank you for that lol",
"[Harvard doctor admits he's too scared to speak truth on vaccines as Big Pharma are watching, implies there will be consequences](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXunKd0N_WA)",
"Not only that, but vaccines have helped us nearly eradicate diseases from the planet. Diseases that used to decimate populations. Smallpox was effectively eradicated in 1980 due to a widespread vaccination campaign.\n\nRight now polio is about to be stamped out. It is fighting valiantly against its demise [and some anti-vaccination folks are helping](https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/22/health/polio-pakistan-killing.html) but we are getting there.\n\nThe anti-vaccination movement is horrible and I firmly believe it is child abuse as well. My son is 3 years old. He is fully vaccinated and up on his shots. Did it suck to watch him get needles in his legs...yes. But ultimately keeping him healthy and protected is my job as his father and my wife's job as his mother. It sucked for all of 5 minutes, then the crying stopped and he got a cool band-aid. ",
"Forgive me, you're a moronic troll. Please don't vaccinate.",
"So, not that I've had the experience of losing three kids at once, but I did lose a kid (stillbirth), and I feel like I can offer some insight into what goes on psychologically. When we lost my daughter, I already had one child. Suddenly, having only one living kid seemed VERY FUCKING DANGEROUS. Like, losing the second one destroyed me, and the only reason I held it together at all was for my remaining child. I immediately felt the need to get pregnant and have another kid again, because then I'd have two kids, and the odds of losing them both would be much lower. I now have 2 living children, and although we've decided that's the most we can really handle, financially and emotionally, I still have these irrational urges to go for it again, because the more kids I have, the safer I will be. Not that losing another wouldn't destroy me, but that the more remaining children I had, the more I would feel I had to keep going for them. And if you can keep going for like 1-2 years, you realize that life is actually still worth living. \n\nIt's emotional, but I think there's also some intense biological programming fueling all that - this need to make sure you have enough kids to make you \"okay\" is actually fueling your biological need to pass your genetic information on indefinitely.",
"It's like how at university professors with PhDs don't know how to turn on the projector or open a pdf file and get a student to do it.",
"They actually had a bunch more children!",
"Thats good enough for me!\n\n*throws away toothpaste*",
"People weren't as sensitive to loss back then because young death was more common.",
"I encourage you to talk to some families whose child is severely autistic. Children who scream all the time and are frightened of seemingly anything new, children who can't be left alone or learn to wipe their own ass. There is no \"sugar\" for those families. There is nothing positive to look forward to. They just spend their lives secretly wishing their child was never born and then hate themselves for thinking this. \n\n\nPlease take your cloying greeting-card comments somewhere else. This is a serious thread, not grandma's facebook meme-off.",
"What's worse is giving the drugs companies immunity against all legal action regarding the safety of their products. And all you sheep that can't imagine there may be any variability in the safety of vaccines makes this possible. ",
"how about \"You aren't really a mother until you've lost a child at the supermarket\"",
"> if someone KNOWS doing something can hurt someone, and they do it anyway, they are openly choosing to harm someone\n\nJust like driving a car, which is an example I've made twice or so now and everyone has ignored.\n\n> you are not advocating for freedom\n\nYes I am, you do not understand words.",
"Holy shit! Balto! ",
"Oh my god.",
"Most people didn't even bother naming their children until after they had survived their first year",
"Hey guys! I found one!",
"I know how it works and that it is safe. \n\nTomorrow the US government mandates mandatory fluoride injections to you gums. ( I know that’s not how that works but you understand)\n\nAre you happy about it? \n\nI mean, dental insurance is out the roof, it’s so costly to The US as a whole, and I for one would consider it an epidemic. \n\nThe justification does not trump my bodily autonomy \n\nAbortion is murder. Welp, we settled that! Who gives a fuck about autonomy when we can just make rules and enforce them! \n\n",
"Sure yes any way that you can get poop in your mouth, is the cause. \n\nYeah and I still won't drink it, I prefer water without flouride. If you live somewhere where there's poop in the water chances are there aren't vaccines either. \n\nAmazing anyone in 3rd world countries can survive without conventional medicines or vaccines... In fact, we test many vaccines on them under the guise of helping and have not only introduced many diseases to them, but have caused mass die offs of child populations. ",
"All I can say is I’ve learned the hard way, and I was one meticulous ass bitch. ",
"I see someone is scientifically illiterate. You probably should have kept reading.",
"Mst mk mr bbys!!!",
"Well if you want to get freaky you'll love India.",
"Eh heh heh ",
"Birth control wasn’t available either. ",
"Oh, I know there's no chance in getting it. More saying that even pretty much all anti vaxxers don't think the chances are high that something will happen. Let me reiterate, the chances aren't high, they're zero, but they think there's a tiny risk, and are willing to endanger their child when there's a much greater risk of something much more serious infecting them or even killing them.",
"Because there is no god.",
"I thought the first two were the parents.... r/imgoingtohellforthis",
"> I discovered a week later she had deleted and blocked me\n\nThis is scary to me. Instead of engaging in a dialogue with you. She was scared that you might be right with your facts. In lieu of facing the facts, she just shut you out of her life and continued on believing in her stupidity. The echo chamber is very scary. It's like little kids plugging their ears and screaming, \"I'm not listening.\"\n\nIt's scary because conversations are the only way we have to expand upon our knowledge and grow. I would have loved her to continue to debate you and over a few weeks, actually realize that what her daughter thinks may be stupid. Instead, she shut you, a voice of reason, out and decided it was better for her to continue believing in stupidity.",
"Well said. I applaud your attempt to help him",
"> The studies have never been done\n\nUhh..",
"You can die or get hurt because you had your belt fastened. Also, you can die (a few times more likely) from a penicilin shot than suffer a sideffect from a vaccine.",
"Same. On my Father's side, close to 75% of the family in the late 1800s/early 1900s died from whooping cough.",
"\"Well, i lost everything in the bitcoin crash. But at least i don't have diptheria.\"",
"I got into an argument with a friend over this just the other day. I had just gotten my flu vaccination and she gave me some hippy anti-vac spiel. I don't really try and change minds with people on this since they are clearly lost. I simply state, the reason people don't get Polio and a bunch of Oregon Trail based illness anymore is because of vaccines. So yes, I am very pro-vaccine. \n\nThe crazy part is, these people believe climate science, but not vaccine science.",
"The premise of overpopulation is that humans are incapable of living sustainably. We continue to better live off renewable resources. A future where every person lives without consuming any finite resource may occur in the next 500 years. When that occurs, the \"simple math\" the idea of overpopulation will erode completely. It will just be population. We just need to manage to survive to that point. There's a strong argument that the quickest way to get there is to temporarily overpopulate, as that creates the scarcity that fuels innovation.\n\nThose 10 children mothers created the flood that caused the industrial revolution and they may be the thing that saves humanity.",
"***Herd immunity for the win.***",
"I'm 41 and in the US. I have had a stillborn and I know many others have too. The thing is, no one talks about it. There's not even a word for a parent who has lost a child, at least in English.",
"Last week it was -40 here and the wind on your skin was just brutal. Snow everywhere and everybody was inside because weather can kill you in an hour or so. Can’t wait to get out.",
"Not true. See [http://docplayer.dk/33226689-Imperativen-paa-er-i-aeldre-dansk.html].\n\nIts very first sentence talks about \"Den danske 2. person pluralis imperativ på -er\", that is, \"The Danish 2nd person plural imperative ending in -er\". The word \"imperative\" implies a verb, not a noun.\n\n\nA proper old imperative would be:\n\nSingular: \"Pige, kom.\"\n\nPlural: \"Piger, kommer\". (Not to be confused with the indicative statement, \"Piger kommer\".)\n\nThat was common in the 1800s. In modern Danish, the imperative is \"kom\" in both singular and plural.",
"Well, then you just have a sub-human intelligence and your opinion is irrelevant lol. ",
"I legit left an old job early to go to a same day opthamologist (or however it’s spelled...I know that’s wrong, WHATEVER) appointment because I was blinded by flashes for about 20 minutes. I told my boss that I was either fine or I would die imminently. I was only half kidding. Turned out to be an ocular migraine which are annoying, but usually harmless. Thanks WebMD.",
"Children on the spectrum have to receive them at different times, and may not be able to receive all vaccines. Given that the rates of children on the spectrum seems to be increasing exponentially, I'd day it's a lot more kids than we probably think. ",
"> it's not everyone's responsibility to take medications to safeguard the well-being of everyone else\n\nWhy not? It's wrong to put other people in danger by not getting vaccinated. Why would you want to do that?\n\nAnd why would you want to put your children in danger by not having them vaccinated?",
"Fuck, I didn't even think about that. Deductive reasoning can be a terrifying thing...",
"I think we should rephrase, I know parents that have nothing against vaccines for an adult or older child, but to give vaccines to an infant is where the risk may be. Think about it for a second your developing internals are working hard to grow you and assuming you do not become sick with something serious the lo ger you can hold off getting weakened strains of very nasty #hit I think the better off your body is. We don't the actual effects of vaccines on youth because they are not a natural human biological process. That is science developing something that's for adults and then fingers crossed it works equally well on children. I'm all FOR vaccines, just think infants should be a little older before they get them",
"I personally find it cruel to end a life, even if it has little function (a person in coma is no less a person). However I understand the reason many people take that option\n\nHappy cake day btw",
"Jaer kan se det i højre nedre hjørne",
"So, no one else read ‘vacation’ and thought this was a tiny bit in poor taste?",
"To lose 5 children in a span of 4 days!!! Those poor parents! How they must have suffered. It makes me so angry to think that there are people now who voluntarily choose this as a potential option!!!!",
"Talk to your doctor. Don’t trust random people on the internet like anti-vaxxers do",
"Judging from the flu that's been going around my parts, pretty dead. ",
"If the rock could copulate that much , it would be impressive at that point. \n\n\nUnfortunately our society is not a free for all. ",
"That's history for you. Many of those celebrated for great acts were often the ones that didn't deserve the credit. Another example is Thomas Edison who upon closer inspection was a terrible person and a patent thief.",
"Yes, thanks big pharma for the pro-vaccinate-everybody-for-everything propaganda.",
"maybe he was a fan of The Tragedy of Macbeth",
"he gone",
"You know what, you just might be. I was terribly afraid of the post partum sleep deprivation because I normally sleep like shit and I can't function very well if I sleep any less than shit, so to say. And voila! Sure, it was not a cake walk, but mostly I was fine. Already used to crappy insomnia. Now there was just a helpless human to cheer me up during the nights.\n\n\nBest of luck!",
"Exposing a child to an increase risk is a form of harm. We have mandatory seat belt laws for good reasons. And diseases like chicken pox and measles are unequivocal bad news.",
"Fuckin autist.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n/s",
"I think we all feel vaccines are good, I just think very young children receiving them may out them at risk for other development disorders. My only thought is wait until they are a little older to reduce the chance of any nasty side effects as we are playing a bit with natural biological processes",
"> He's unique and without the evils of this world.\n\n\nAs someone with an autistic brother, this made me cringe. I love my brother, but putting autistic people on a pedestal isn't going to help them. They're human, with their fair share of problems, normal and unusual. They're not better or worse than anyone else, just different.",
"Not really since it's still just your opinion which i still don't care about.\n\nYou can't state that i am \"dumb as fuck\". You can however say that you think i am. Which is different as you cannot back up your statement. However you are very rude and you are acting really immature.\n\n&nbsp;\n\nI respect your opinion. But at least act like an adult. Your opinion on anything does not concern me. If you do not like my joke, it does not matter to me. As long as i tough it was funny. You can call me what you want and say that i am dumb, even without proof. But that does not make it true, no matter how much you really want it to be.\n\n&nbsp;\n\nIf you are gonna call people stupid at least have some insight to back it up. How will you judge my intelligence based on a joke i made? Is my humor the mark for my intelligence? Is everyone who do not agree with you or that you do not find funny \"Dumb fucks\"?\n\nWhat a narrow minded statement. I hope you have a nice day. Enjoy trying to make stupid points. I think you're acting like a teenager. But that's just what i think. Why should you care.",
"Ctrl+shift+C \n\"testingcheats true\" \n\"freerealestate on\"",
"Already am, and 100x the parent you'll ever be. Piece of SHIT. ",
"Not to be morbid, but you will likely be the caregiver for the rest of YOUR life, not necessarily his. If you haven’t thought about his care after you are gone, please do. ",
"If I had a doctor tell me my kid was gonna be autismo there would have been an uber ready to take me to an abortion clinic before he got the sentence out of his mouth. ",
"Really what you need to do is not let your kids play with anti-vax kids. \n\nSHUN THE NON-BELIEVERS!!!!",
"Yes, but the vaccine also changes every year. \n\nThe second paragraph is really something else...a person with a compromised immune system would rely on herd immunity and not get the vaccine. Vaccines rely on a functioning immune system to work. \n\nI'm wondering who these doctors are that you've been talking to. ",
"well the person has a better case against the flu vaccine because its constantly evolving at a much higher rate. Hell people are dying from this years flu even though they took the vaccine.",
"Several years ago I had a little cemetery I loved going to. In the middle off to the side was a lovely cast iron obelisk with four children, one on each side. Their births spanned about twenty years and none of them lived to become a teen. They'd lose one, then try again. \n\nFinally, it seems, they could not take it anymore and said as much on the bottom of the headstone. Each child had information about them, which made it all the more sad. They loved these children so much and you could almost feel their pain with the words they'd chosen. \n\nI don't know how long two of the parts had been hidden, broken, inside the hollow of the base until I began cleaning it up because it struck me as such a beautiful memorial. Put it back together the best I could but didn't really find much information about the parents. Really need to go check on it again sometime soon. ",
"what",
"This also makes me think about this \"raw water\" trend I just heard about. I vaguely remember reading years ago as much as vaccinations have saved lives, having clean water is responsible for our increased longevity. I would try and find the source, but I have a lot of r/aww things to look at right now.",
"its alright; you can downvote me if you still need to vent\n\nits all worthless points anyways",
"Yeah I got mine when my most recent kid was born. 5 years ago yet still got it. I feel like shit. Can hardly breath and can’t sleep due to coughing. Working 2 jobs still (from home) sucks. ",
"Okay, this comment helps make my point. That’s a ton to do for your entire life!! I don’t think men (even my husband) understand the burden of constantly worrying about becoming pregnant, I’m 32 we’ve been together 15 years and I’ve been pregnant 5 times!! (3 kids, unfortunately 2 heart breaking miscarriages) I’m finally coming to terms with tying my tubes or having my husband get a vasectomy because birth control makes me ill and I want to enjoy sex without condoms for the rest of my life, but I just don’t think people realize how very easy it is for some people to get pregnant. Especially after reading your comment. I don’t think it was easy for any woman 100 years ago to avoid having 10 kids. ",
"[Harvard doctor admits he's too scared to speak truth on vaccines as Big Pharma are watching, implies there will be consequences](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXunKd0N_WA)",
"Were talking 1903, they wouldn't have had the same technology as we have now with making vaccine, but you're right they wouldn't have the same tech to make pencillin either. Also I mean you can get sick from the vaccine as in get the disease which you are vaccinating against.",
"Did some database work for international government cemeteries. Mostly for war dead, but they also run a cemetery in Panama from the canal. And its definitely common to see a lot of infant burials among what is otherwise a military cemetery.\n",
"You seem to have missed my meaning entirely. ",
"Damn, I read that as \"when vacation wasn't an option\" and thought it was a touch morbid.",
"> But I support it because it's reasonable, and not at all forcing someone to put anything in their body at gunpoint.\n\nSo, you only have aesthetic objections on the basis of not liking the idea of the vaccine having to go into your body?",
"It's also sad some people thought this was an anti vax post. ",
"A small percentage, I assume. But that shouldn't really matter. If the number of kids who are put at risk are low enough, does that justify forgoing vaccinations for selfish (unscientific) reasons? If you're thinking, \"meh, some kids may die, but it'll only be a few. At least little Timmy isn't going to get autism!\", then you're a shitty person.",
"driving a car puts people in harms way for a valid need in life. there is no valid need in not vaccinating, just a prideful ignorant fear",
"Well what I have lasts 10 weeks or so minimum and is highly contagious. I recommend getting your shot so you don’t have 12 weeks of crap life sometime",
"It’s 6am and I read this far too many times before I realised it said vaccination, not vacation :/",
"I'm a funeral director. We get kids all the time that are vaccinated. We even get kids that die because of being vaccinated too much and too early. ",
"Fuck this thread, I'm out.",
"Captain Trips",
"Thanks! I think one of my biggest concerns is the CPAP machine - it's a nice, quite little Dreamstation, but I just have this funny thought of the kiddo coming into my room a few years down the road, seeing this weird \"monster\" attached to Daddy's face, and going on the attack to \"save me from it\" haha.",
"Indeed but even with that technology it would give them better chances.",
"> for a valid need in life\n\nPeople got along fine without cars for tens of thousands of years. You just selfishly want to get somewhere faster. You don't need to. Prideful, ignorant selfishness.",
"An inlaw's grandmother had 16 kids. Only 9 lived to adulthood. My brother once asked her if this was true and she said it was like having a finger chopped off. It doesn't hurt any less because you've got the 9 others. ",
"100% of dead kids were exposed to Water. ",
"Im aware of our regional cuisine. I’m also aware that it’s not even close to the richness and diversity of Italian or Chinese cuisine. \n\nI admit that the comparison with China is a bit unfair though. They have more people than Europe and the USA combined so it would be like saying « western cuisine » which is super vague and extremely diversified too. ",
"The \"Dr\" Andrew Wakefield part and how it was usurped by the anti-vax movement pisses me off especially, since Wakefield was trying to show how the specific MMR combined vaccine correlated to a rise in autism (it doesn't...), and that his super special version where each one was administered separately was the solution that didn't cause autism. Wakefield wasn't an anti-vaxxer, he was just a douchebag trying to sell his own version of vaccines. Not that it matters to people that have already made up their mind that vaccines are dangerous and nothing will convince them otherwise...",
"I used to work in an office with an older man who was always grumpy and in a bad mood. I tried to avoid him whenever I could as he was just unpleasant to be around. Then once I noticed a number tattooed on his hand. I still avoided him when he was in a bad mood, but I cut him a lot of slack after that.\nAnd oddly, seeing him used to improve my mood if I were having a bad day. I figured no matter how bad my day was going, it was better than most he saw as a kid.\nPerspective. ",
"Sorry but fuck off with the pro vaccination bollocks, cant see anything on reddit without it. I don't care if vaccinations are good, but I want to see actually interesting things... Not propaganda on every sub.",
"I live near an old town cemetery that is full of old tombstones and family burial plots like this. It was my impression that most of these deaths were due to influenza pandemics, especially the so-called \"Russian Flu\" of the late 1800's and the so-called \"Spanish Flu at the end of WWI. We now have flu shots that attempt to address current and future strains of the flu, but we all know that flu shots are not especially effective and that the flu strains are changing all the time. More progress has been made in dealing with symptoms and complications, such as pneumonia, and medical procedures such as IV therapy and support for vital functions. There is debate about whether or not we are any better prepared to deal with another especially lethal strain of the flu. A read of *The Great Influenza: The Epic Story of the Deadliest Plague In History*, by John M. Barry is quite sobering as is viewing Soderbergh's scientifically based 2011 film, *Contagion*. \n\nWhile I fully support vaccinating, especially for children, for many of the diseases that used to be lethal to many, I worry more about the future. Understand what \"fomite\" means, wash hands, wash dishes well in very hot water, be aware of how virus's spread, and adjust your habits to take this into account. ",
"> a much less destructive and tragic disease like autism which AFAIK even anti vaccers admit there is a miniscule chance in contracting\n\nAutism isn't a disease, nor can one \"contract\" it. Words do matter a little bit.\n\n",
"Google 'Eyam the plague village'.\nI live about an hour from this place..its an amazing story...a village decided to quarantine themselves to stop the black death from spreading to neighbouring communities. They locked themselves in for months and whole families were wiped out. You can visit and they have plaques outside some of the old houses (where people still live today) listing the people who died in them.",
"Here's a charming old colonial-style home with 2 and a half baths, oh don't mind the skeletons in the closet, just a few block from the post office, the neighbors tend keep to themselves (they're dead).....",
"If it makes you feel any better, the last child alive was possibly too sick to really give it much thought. Between the fever, pain, and fatigue, the child was probably pretty out of it towards the end :c",
"5 children from the same family dying within days of each is not propaganda ",
"No sheep here. Just scientists who understand that there's no such thing as perfect, and sometimes you have to play the odds.",
"Yeah because that one bad study from years ago said so it must be true! /s \n\nGet a grip, this is the kind of mentality that is bringing back the plague. ",
"I went to grief counseling and it helped a lot. I think I will go back to get through this. ",
"...People had lots of kids?\n\nVaccination causes infertility confirmed.\n\n^^/s",
"you're talking about a world in which there were no vaccines, no antibiotics, no refrigeration, no running water to speak of, no airplanes, no zippers.",
"My sister claims \"religious exemption\" for all FOUR of her school-aged children...and therefore doesn't have any of them inoculated. The state where they live allows un-vaccinated children into public schools based on this very exemption. \nMy kids gots theirs, yo...because \"science.\" ",
"Again, I'm not worried about people, I'm worried about politicians. Time, and time, and time again, left and right alike, politicians have shown themselves to be untrustworthy assholes. I'll trust them to make sure companies make things that are relatively safe. I won't trust them far enough to dictate my medical routine.",
"Jesus shoulda bliver his migs.",
"Ok what's worse autism or death? \n\n\n\n",
"F",
"Really is. Most underrated comment in *any* thread.",
"\"We're gonna send you 3 to live with your aunt and uncle.\"\n\n(Checks off the box next to off-site backups)",
"What? No is not.",
"I disagree with his statement about the present, but in the early 1900's I doubt a lot of women initiated sex. It was believed that women didn't enjoy sex, only men could. Women were locked up in mental wards for \"hysteria\" or went to basically get fingered by the doctor to \"treat\" this problem. It wouldn't be far-fetched to think that women were afraid of initiating due to the threat of being locked up.",
"Last I checked your own immune system can't tackle polio, measles, mumps, rubella, diptheria to the point where you don't get severely ill first. I'm medical science has proven they are safe and effective at an early age, why not? Does the data not agree?",
"There is a NPC in The Witcher 3 that would sometimes calmly tell one of her neighbors the fact that she sends the youngest of her children alone in the woods to gather something from there so the wolfs would eat them so she would have less mouths to feed.\n\nI always thought that was incredibly fucked up.",
"Gotcha. Thanks for the info!",
"I've known women to choose an abortion and then go on to be some of the best parents I know when the time and circumstances are better. I also know pro lifers out there who should not have children, because they are terrible parents. It's not a black and white world.",
"Sex ed slides of STDs...and \"what can happen when you're high on drugs\" films. That was health class.",
"God could have made the illness as one of many evolutionary processes to strengthen human genetics over time. ",
"It’s painfully obvious how botted these vaccine post are there are 4 on the front page right now , it’s kind of fucking disgusting how they use reddit to promote their propaganda knowing how many young kids use it.",
"That's a better but still flawed example.\n\n75% of the children who died from influenza had not been vaccinated against it in the \"previous months\"(no indication of how many months). 25% of them had been. There's no mention of those who had been vaccinated say, a year beforehand. We don't know how many had been vaccinated but against the wrong strain.\n\n>this is about vaccinations\n\nNo. It's about choices.\n\n>you don't win an argument about vaccinations by bloviating about nazis and stalin.\n\nI deliberately refrained from invoking either of those words. Yet, when I brought up the specter of an overbearing government using force against its own people, that's where your mind went.\n\n>every day cops are chasing down and pointing guns at people who threaten lives.\n\nAgain, this tells me that you have a much different opinion about empowering them to do so. You have reason to believe that it'll never be *you* on the other end of their guns.\n\n>if you continue to conflate two different topics you're simply not intellectually honest\n\nPerhaps you and I view the issue differently, but these topics are not separate.\n\nYou cannot empower governments to micro-manage people's lives but ONLY in the way that you deem appropriate.",
"Thank you for reminding me that I promised my wife I would make a phone call today.\n\nShe said something really similar to what /u/mnorri mentioned above. To give some perspective of the other side, it's difficult for whatever reason to make that step. We agreed that if I didn't call someone about it today, she would tomorrow and I would go regardless.",
"Completely agree. All those people who don't get whooping cough vaccinations are putting young babies at risk who are too young to get the vaccine themselves.",
"Ah, so pro-vax sheeple. Fair.",
"Asshole.\n+1",
"Very true. If you eat a lot of tuna or some other seafoods with high mercury levels you can get mercury poisoning. \n\nBut that’s only for some fish and like you said, the mercury in vaccines is different and also a very minimal amount. ",
"Kids still dying is exactly the point. ",
"If his depression is manifesting as rage, then defiance against that choice is understandable (note: I said \"understandable\", not \"reasonable\"; BIG distinction there). \n\nHe's hurting and on some level he's probably terrified, so right now his focus is on pain-avoidance. That's why he's numb, that's why he's angry, that's why going full-caveman in the woods looks like a good option. If he can push it all away, then he doesn't have to hurt (as much). Even positive feelings can seem dangerous at this point because they feel so transitory, so it's best to keep those away too. A stable low can feel safer than chaotic highs because at least the stable low is *stable* and predictability is a comfort. \n\nIt's not exactly healthy or kind to anyone involved, but it IS a sort of coping mechanism. Understanding *why* he's responding the way he is may help you find an in-road or at least keep perspective: he's not doing this to *hurt you*; he's doing this to protect himself. Protecting himself is not *wrong* in itself and in fact it's a very human thing to do. But the *way* he's protecting himself is hurting you both.\n\nHis knowing how much this is hurting you (without judging *him* for it - shift the emphasis away from the idea that *he* is hurting you) and reminding him that you have the same goals (safety, love, kindness, a home that is a refuge against the madding world) may help to refocus his perspective. It sounds like you two have shifted into an adversarial mode, which happens easily as people respond differently in the wake of a trauma and emotional needs get misaligned or neglected. You both need to remember (even/especially when things get REALLY BAD) that there is no one in the world who is more \"on your side\" than each other. There's a reason you chose each other; you're best friends and you'll always have the best of intentions even if the end results come out a bit screwy.\n\nSource: Divorced and I've been battling similar demons for years, but with good therapy and the right meds I think I've finally turned the tide.",
"Gotta wait at least until the 12 week mark",
"Why does it seem to be true that all families I know with three or more kids only have either boys or girls?\n\nIt's like they all said \"Let's try for a boy/girl\" but never got one so they had to stop at four to limit the whole thing.",
"I can see that point. I am for abortions.... but it’s probably because I haven’t heard like *any* of the stories of parents losing their child. It’s definitely not something that is discussed, even behind their backs it’s hardly whispered. ",
"I would of either became a very angry atheist or a religious fanatic. It's no wonder why we have such a fascination with end of the world prophecy. ",
"I can't tell if you're joking or not. If you're not you should go get a psychiatric evaluation.",
"I was so confused when i saw all that danish in the picture, and then found out that is wasn't r/denmark",
"Ridicule them and present facts.\n\nI’m stuck with in laws who are so I have to approach everything so diplomatically...",
"You know a random youtube video.. a SINGLE random youtube video, isn't a proper basis of research to declare yourself anti-vaccine.",
"Plot twist, there's another plot off screen that has the parents a few days later...",
"RemindMe! 30 days",
"I don't think you know what propaganda is man, you're delusional",
"Oh, well the good news is you won’t have to make that decision because of the distinct lack of reproduction you’ll be taking place in. I’d call you an autismo, but that would be waaayyy above your grade.",
"Hey guys, I have a 3 month old child here!",
"Bravo! I’m glad you dealt with it!",
"Yea you're right, thanks for the discussion. :)",
"I read: This is what happened when vacation wasn't an option and thought: Why the fuck would the kids die?\n\nMy bad...",
"https://media1.tenor.com/images/c3338658eaa0adb4a5ec8adf428833e5/tenor.gif?itemid=4736049",
"I'm from Scotland and live near a couple late 16th century onward cemeteries. A lot of plots are family plots, and many seem to have at least one or two children on them, as well as the odd young adult. If they include the cause of death, it's often things we have vaccines and treatments for now. ",
"He won’t respond to that. \n",
"He thinks only immigrants should have kids. Look it up, it's a thing.",
"Thank you, too. :)",
"30? Isn't it more like early teens?",
"Good for you. I live in a country where they're not, and the vast majority of people are sensible enough to take them anyways. Legislation mandating them is unnecessary, and would just add to the bloat of an already corpulent government.",
"A lot. It isn't just immune disorders. Babies can't be vaccinated until a certain age. For example all babies under 12 months are vulnerable to mumps, measles and rubella. They get the shot at a year. Kids with cancer can't get the vaccines. The list goes on.\n\nWe need herd immunity and about 90% of kids vaccinated. That allows for the babies and immunocompromised kids to make up the 10%.",
"Thank your doctor, too. I think he may have had a couple more hands in it.",
"Randomly made me think of this xkcd: https://xkcd.com/1520/",
"Toothpaste causes autism confirmed.",
"My favorite antivaxxers are the religious ones. I had one tell me that homosexuality, autism, and diseases weren't created by god but by vaccines 😑 ",
"Note that this has been said in other places, but I think it makes sense to repeat--the reason the US's rate looks higher than a lot of other developed countries is because of how the US counts live births. In the US, as soon as a baby is born it is considered a \"live birth\" and death following counts in the deaths/live births number. In many other countries a baby that dies within some short period of time (up to a few days, IIRC) may still be considered a miscarriage.",
"Just rid yourself already so we can have more productive people then?",
"Am I the only one who read sloppy and first read ”vacation”? At first the post made no sense... :(",
"> Why not? It's wrong to put other people in danger by not getting vaccinated. Why would you want to do that?\n\nBecause I just think it's not. I don't think it's wrong to put people in danger by *not* doing something. It's not morally wrong to put people in danger by *not* going and eradicating all lions and snakes. It's not wrong to put people in danger by *not* eradicating all disease. I don't want to do that, but I don't agree anyone should be allowed to force anyone else to do something.\n\n> And why would you want to put your children in danger by not having them vaccinated?\n\nI would not want to, I would get my children vaccinated if I had any.",
">Each women is an individual being. \n\nI'm confused. Do you not know how plurals work?",
"I don't understand why your wife would be embarassed about that. Sometimes men initiate and get rejected, sometimes women initiate and get rejected. It happens because sometimes the other person just isn't in the mood for sex, there's nothing embarrassing about it.\n\n*Maybe* if you had ridiculously low self-esteem and based your opinion of yourself on how much people want to fuck you... But in that case, you've got bigger problems (which you can get help for; don't be ashamed!).\n\nHell, just last night I initiated The Sex and my husband turned me down because he was exhausted. Our 6 month old had been screaming all day and he just wanted to sleep. No shame in that!",
"I made a facebook post yesterday mocking the Anti-Vax. I ~~have~~ had one friend that is 100% believes it's true, and another while still vacancies her children, admits the correlation/causation makes it hard for some parents as the timing is there. She started by saying the next day there were things that she noticed but admits she may have been looking for it more after a round of shots than before. ",
"Nobody said anything about anti-vaccine, this is about being pro-science, demanding the real studies are performed which the industry keeps on refusing. The Harvard doctor is concerned about incomplete science, we are in the dark on what vaccines might really be doing, and how big the risks are, but they continue to be pushed hard. This is about encouraging rigorous vaccine science which can eventually make vaccines safer for everyone who wants them.\n\nExperts who are fed up of Big Pharma not funding the necessary studies are now [crowdfunding for their trials](https://patientdanmark.dk/private-forces-to-raise-funds-research-into-aluminium-in-vaccines/), so there should be progress on this in the near future.\n\n",
"> It's also important to know that they (or at least most) aren't doing this for selfish reasons.\n\nHere's where I disagree. It's ABSOLUTELY selfish reasons. Why does selfish always have to imply bad intentions? It doesn't. \n\nParenting is hard and scary and everything in the world seems to want to harm your child. Parents do this thing where they make stupid ass decisions (from an outsider perspective) because it makes them feel better and gives them a feeling of control. It lets them make their icky feelings about the scary world go away if they exert control over this one thing. It's purpose is to make themselves feel better and it fits with their overall worldview. It's done out of fear. In fact, the entire worldview of the hippie dippie world is really all a construct from fear. (I have plenty of hippie dippie friends) They are really good at transmuting their fear into taking an action that makes them feel better, choosing to ignore good information at will due to their \"feelings.\" When no one is harmed, great. When it's helpful, awesome! But when you have people refusing medical treatment because they decided all western medicine is evil, or pulling this anti-vax shit, there's a time to draw the line. Because the fact is, if you can \"feel\" your way out of any argument, that's not healthy. That's not balanced. That's just another form of denial. And let's get real: for these folks it's often not enough for THEM to have these ideas - they constantly feel like they need to spread them, and they love to claim a moral high ground in order to guilt others about their (sane) choices and proclaim themselves superior. Based on...feelings.\n\nI don't think we can fight feelings-based worldviews with facts. Haven't seen it work yet. That's the problem.",
"Agenda?? You mean reddit is being controlled by the lizard men in the government to put posts promoting the evil vaccines on the front page?",
"Birth control wasn’t an option...just abstinence. ",
"Huh, I should get this booster shot.",
"Ok. I'm not saying it is. But at the time, you admitted yet again, they would be shitty parents. ",
"):",
"That's really not helpful.",
"And why was your kid missing his shots?",
"....yeah or baby'll happily YANK and PULL and LICK on all the funny little sprouts coming from daddies' face.... and completely adorably destroys an expensive piece of machinery.\n\n\n\n\nBut the idea of a 2.5 year old with a plastic light sabre trying to rescue daddy from the face huggers is, absolutely, a cuter scenario. :D",
"then trust me: if you don't vaccinate, you deserve to be forced to vaccinate at gun point, because i don't want your irresponsibility hurting me or my family\n\nbabbling about politicians is a side topic\n\n",
"Yeah I had that thought too but I'm Canadian and didn't know (or care to find out) if his point was even true in America. I know that after 20 weeks of pregnancy, if your baby dies naturally, it's considered a stillbirth and not a miscarriage. I would assume they'd use that to determine when you can get an abortion... But abortion laws are not always governed by reason.",
"The moment you realise your grandma was a nymphomaniac.",
"Majority is not enough. You need more than 92% of population which is not really achieved in many cities in US. Especially in the younger population because of the antivaxxer fad. Kids are the main transmission vectors and very vulnerable to this.",
"This is why I \"support\" him. I don't care for 95% of what he does or says. Seeing the group I'd previously considered myself a part of throw facts to the wayside to try and tarnish the reputation of a man who needs no assistance in looking stupid really rubs me the wrong way. \n\nHe's clearly not a straight up anti-vax person, but everyone here will say he is out of pure hatred. The only thing the left gains by falsifying info on Trump is an emboldened right wing, and the creation of a large apathetic left / center. If I were American, I'd likely just give up on voting due to the shit slinging and falsehoods promoted by both sides. I thought the left was better than the right for 22 years, but they've shown themselves just as capable of making things up to fit an agenda. ",
"'Jesus bliver hos mig' but everyone else gets diphtheira and dies. ",
"yeah and they died of diseases by the millions for tens of thousands of years\n\nnow we don't have to\n\nthat's the fucking point genius\n\n>Prideful, ignorant selfishness.\n\nyeah, i like to live, i am selfish about that for me and my family\n\nas for ignorance: if my life is threatened by the ignorant anti-vaccine lies of someone else, point a fucking gun at their head and force them to vaccinate\n\n*for threatening my freedom for no reason at all*",
"> this is about being pro-science\n\nNo it isn't. It's about finding a conspiracy to latch onto.\n\n> demanding the real studies are performed which the industry keeps on refusing\n\nThe CDC has done them.",
"That quote from the CDC refers specifically to the very very few people with allergies to ingredients, people who need non allergic people to be immunized to grant herd immunity, the only real defence against contagious disease.",
"at least 1. not 1.",
"Found the moron",
"As a genealogy nerd, you Scandinavians are the absolute best in terms of record keeping. Keep on keepin on. ",
"I almost choked on the grape I was eating, laughing at how honest and open you are about eating ass. Lol!!!",
"Their are several pro vaccine posts in the general subreddits today ",
"...no",
"Maybe in regards to conquering land, but don't act like Luther was a saint. He had plenty of crazy ideas. I agree that Buddhism doesn't have many fuck-ups in it history.",
"I've been on both sides of this... Wife had brain surgery last year to remove a tumor that apparently had been growing for a long ass time. One of the side effects is that she became *The Initiator*.\n\nSo now, my abs are sore AF, and have been for months, and there's no way in hell I'm going to initiate anything, and occasionally, I'll actually reject her, and after 25 years of me basically chasing her around 24/7, those rejections are an absolutely huge deal.\n\nI'm not running away, don't get me wrong, I'm ecstatic, but I'm also not 20 years old, and I just can't keep up the pace she wants. Im hitting the gym, I'm losing weight back down to my high school size (that's not much, but it might help), and trying to get back the energy I had 30 years ago, so I can say yes more often, and all because when it was her saying no, I just shrugged it off as \"par for the course\", but when I say no, it's a judgement on her looks, her cooking, her parenting skills, how clean the floor is, every comment she's made for decades, etc...\n\nIm not saying women don't initiate, or don't feel the same way about sex bin general, but getting rejected is just not the same thing for both genders. Maybe someday, but there's no equality in that department right now.",
"But...autism or something /s",
"I’d be fine with that but he is talking about doing it in freezing temps. I’m going to see what I can do though. A trip down south for fishing might be good. \n\nThanks for your reply. The love I’ve gotten here has been amazing. ",
"We have to remember too they didn't perceive human lives as we do today. They were saddened of course but nothing on the scale of what it would be like if it were to happen today.",
">We even get kids that die because of being vaccinated too much and too early.\n\nI call bullshit on that. Have a look at some relevant quotes from the World Health Organization.\n\n>Vaccines are safe. Any licensed vaccine is rigorously tested across multiple phases of trials before it is approved for use, and regularly reassessed once it is on the market. Scientists are also constantly monitoring information from several sources for any sign that a vaccine may cause an adverse event. Most vaccine reactions are usually minor and temporary, such as a sore arm or mild fever. In the rare event a serious side effect is reported, it is immediately investigated.\n\n>It is far more likely to be seriously injured by a vaccine-preventable disease than by a vaccine.\n\n>Scientific evidence shows that giving several vaccines at the same time has no negative effect on a child’s immune system. Children are exposed to several hundred foreign substances that trigger an immune response every day. The simple act of eating food introduces new antigens into the body, and numerous bacteria live in the mouth and nose. A child is exposed to far more antigens from a common cold or sore throat than they are from vaccines.\n\nSource: http://www.who.int/features/qa/84/en/\n\n",
"Boo. ",
"Actually, Luther was pretty chill. Some of his exfollowers however werent. ",
"This is the mature approach...but we live in a very immature society. There is no critical thinking most certainly no debate. This is what debate is today:\n\nPerson 1: I believe in [insert topic here]\n\nPerson 2: Your fucking idiot\n\nPerson 3: *you're\n\nPerson 2: fuck you too. \n\nPerson 4: Trump supporters are such assholes\n\nPerson 5: Fuck you, its liberals who are the assholes\n\nPerson 3: *it's\n\n\n\n",
"me: Wait but I'm a guy!\n\nWebMD: YOUR'E FUCKING PREGNANT SHUT UP!",
"Listen, i like a nice lady butthole more than puss tbh. Just something about it. No shame. ",
"Maybe not, but you have the makings of an Anti-Dentite!",
"> Thank *science* for vaccination\n\nFTFY",
"Many continued to have children. In a lot of cases of my own family research, they even re-used the names. ",
"They all died in the same week :(",
"Little delusional simple mind can’t answer and go to bed convinced these people are big pharma PR employees.\n\nDon’t wake up please, never reproduce indeed, end the line.",
"There have been days where my son is the only reason I want to live. If he died, and I had no other children, I would not continue to live. \nYes, I have depression. Yes, I am in treatment. My son does have some (relatively minor) health issues. My husband knows that if something happened to our child, I would need to be committed. ",
"Alaskan Hipster UberEats",
"I have not had a flu shot for 12 years. Coincidentally, I have not caught the flu for 12 years. Before this, I used to get the flu shot every year, and I used to catch the flu every year.\n\n\n\n\nedit: lol at people down voting my factual anecdotal experience.",
"ok so then we may have enough resources to allow us to have more people on this planet, but would you really want it to be crowded? even if the earth could support overpopulation, i would still be against it just for the happiness level\n\n>Those 10 children mothers created the flood that caused the industrial revolution and they may be the thing that saves humanity.\n\nthat's fascinating as hell, never thought of that",
"You just sound like us over at /r/Flipping. ",
"That's kinda hard if you base a society on being part of a religious in-group, as we've seen many times through history.",
">You cannot empower governments to micro-manage people's lives but ONLY in the way that you deem appropriate.\n\nwe already do genius\n\na cop can pull you over if you speed\n\nthat's \"micro-managing people's lives\" in your hysterical parlance\n\nyour problem is you conflate simple law enforcement against law breakers, with hysterical unfounded fears of goose stepping nazis crushing all freedoms for the lulz\n\nif you do not vaccinate, you're like a speeder, a bank robber: you are threatening our freedoms with lawless action and you will stop it, at the point of a gun if necessary, as law enforcement is supposed to work against those who are irresponsible and freedom destroying\n\nnow babble on about totalitarian regimes and other such fear addled bullshit",
"I was just making a joke about you calling people uneducated while spelling populace wrong",
"You know what i meant tho.\n\n\n\nI didn't capitalize the I and spelled though wrong, quick correct it.",
"We were obviously there to get him up to date. Is he going to die because he's a month late? No.",
"You can ignore things you don't like.",
"to pray for klara who was probably dying all day.",
"So, nature?",
"Their 15 year old, their 13 year old, their 6 year old, their 4 year old and their 2 year old dead within 5 days of each other, presumably of the same illness. How sad... it's why people had so many kids back then. High probability of some or most of them dying. Going by the dates of birth, I assume they had an 11 year old and a 9 year old, too... hopefully they survived.",
"We have 300 million people in the usa. So everyone gave 10 bucks. Then we take into account the big money donations from p3ople like bill gates. So really, every person maybe gives around 3 bucks. That isnt really very generous. 7.5 billion folks in the world. So if 750 million folks gave to charity, thats 10 percent of the world that gave to charity. Not overwhelming or anywhere close to as generous as you make it sound.\n\nFor a very long period of time in human history, doctors didnt get paid for care. Shit, up until 200 years ago or so, there wasnt even medical school. But i do work for free to help others. I do therapeutic tattoos to cover scars and stuff for free. The fact that everyone, including you, is solely focused on the money aspect of it is just disheartening. \"Work for free\" \"force me to pay\"...blah blah blah. All i hear is selfish, mine, selfish, mine. Which is exactly what ive been saying is the cancer of our country. We arent willing to sacrifice a little to help a lot. Whether its forced or not. Its all about me me me and what youre forcing ME to do for others and blah blah. Cancer.\n\nHealthcare should be a right because we are all responsible for the ills. Companies pollute. Citizens drive cars that pollute. We ruin oceans. We ruin waterways. We ruin access to fresh water. These things mame people sick. So why isnt it everyones responsibility to mame sure everyone is taken care of? Younpollute the air i breathe with your exhaust from your car but you arent responsible in any way for what that does to me? Seems awfully selfish.\n\nThen we can get into the fact that since 1948, it has been agreed on by almost all countries in the universal declaration of human rights by the UN, when humanity and togetherness were still the goal, in article 25 that;\n\n \"-1. Everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including food, clothing, **housing and medical care and necessary social services**, and the **right to security** in the event of unemployment, **sickness**, disability, widowhood, old age or other lack of livelihood in circumstances beyond his control.\n \n-2. Motherhood and childhood are entitled to special care and assistance. All \nchildren, whether born in or out of wedlock, shall enjoy the same social \nprotection.\"\n\nAnd countless other human rights agreements. Then we can get into the fact that people should not have to choose between feeding their children and staying alive to take care of them. If i work at mcdonalds because im not qualified for anything else thanks to being raised in the worst educational area in the country, have 2 kids because i was married and got divorced and left out to dry by myself out the blue, have minimal health coverage if any at all, and i cant miss a day of work or i cant pay rent or feed my kids, tell me how im going to miss work to get proper care? And then if i do miss that day and have this hospital bill, even on a sliding fee, which do i pay? The bill or food shopping? \n\nIt is the obligation of a society and community to make sure that all people are taken care of within the society. We went from it takes a village to raise a child to aint my kid aint my problem in a matter of a 100 years or so. Its a goddamn shame. \n\nAnd to be clear, i pay a ridiculous amount of money for insurance and healthcare thanks to my career and ownership of the shops. It takes a lot of money from me. But id still be willing to pay more to make sure my fellow citizens are taken care of. I dont want any parent to lose their child needlessly and vjce versa and will do what i have to on my end to ensure it doesnt happen. That is a moral stance. Helping others will always over rule my wallet. Even if it means it makes me hurt a little bit. Its better than anyone else hurting a lot. ",
"Look at [SSPE](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subacute_sclerosing_panencephalitis). It's a slow virus infection of brain tissue and appears 7-10 years after a measles infection in about 1:600 patients, most of which are kids. \n\nI took a clinical virology class and our professor told us she worked at a hospital where they had one case. The diagnosis devastated everyone and the parents ended up in a divorce after slowly watching their only child deteriorate. \n\nThe worst thing is there is no treatment and the letality is 100%. And the parents are to blame because they refused the MMR-vaccine, which would have prevented it all. ",
"> Well the economy climbed the day he was elected due to businesses investing in companies and such so the tycoons did seem to have faith in him and has paid off.\n\nCan you cite anything for this claim? Is there an article that contains a quote from a business that invested in companies and such? \n\n> Source of the SK thing\n\nYour source also mentions \"years\" and not decades. \n\n> Look at Al Franken. People defended him just because he was dem, even gross Lena Dunham who said women never lie about rape.\n\nI don't think that's a fair characterization of the argument. I think the argument was more like \"The Republicans are trying to elect a pedophile, they elected someone who brags about grabbing women by the pussy, and Al's resigning because of allegations that don't come anywhere close to the level of predatory behavior those two are accused of.\" \n\n> I mean the whole grab em by the pussy thing was in bad taste but it struck me as just hyping himself up (not that far fetched) or the fact he said they let him which implies consent i guess.\n\nIt always seemed extremely predatory to me. Like, sure he's not the worst person in the world for saying/doing it. But I would never want a person like that in charge of anything. \n\n> I mean every person is racist to some degree unfortunately, but as far as outright hate and discrimination, i don't see it from him.\n\nYeah this seems like a fair characterization. I don't disagree at all. Maybe some xenophobia or classism but not skin color based hate. \n\n>With the shithole thing, i see that as a non-issue too. It isn't wrong to say that because it's true. I'm just annoyed people are making it about race when it has zero part of the reason countries can suck.\n\nWhat bothers me is not the language itself, it's the damage it does to our reputation and our relationships with those countries, and the recklessness of it. We gain nothing as a country by having our president insult those countries. We send billions in aide, and it's not out of the kindness of our hearts. It's to gain influence and push our policies and gain beneficial trade agreements. That money is wasted on a petty insult from a foolish man. Best case scenario everyone forgets about it and moves on. There is no scenario where we are better off as a result of him insulting those countries. \n\n> Russia has been said to have been overhyped and lied about by some and others are apparently guilty.\n\nThere is nothing indicating the investigation is slowing down. The watergate investigation took over a year and a half before Nixon resigned. \n\n> But you arent your brothers keeper, so i don't see Trump being responsible.\n\nThat assumes he didn't direct people to take these actions. \n\n> Plus, i don't see the issue with talking to foreign officials if money isnt being brought to the table anyways.\n\nWhen those foreign officials illegally obtained information about the political opponents, and you work with them, you are undermining our sovereignty by working with people who disregard it. If you don't see the threat that poses to our country, I don't know how to help you at that point. ",
"I'm afraid I could be like that... I've had broken a rib (I think, never got a diagnosis) and other more or less painful stuff,\n\nThe last time I saw a doctor was when my lower right arm (incl. Hand) was paralysed... To which the hospital just told me to wait a month or two, and it'd be fine... And it was fine after 45 days... So now I'll hesitate even more before getting concerned. ",
"Luckily, there is currently no legitimate evidence that would point to vaccines causing developmental issues if given to young children. If there was evidence of that sort, then the schedule would likely be adjusted as you suggest, to give the vaccines later. ",
"If a bunch if doctors and pediatricians were anti and came out with some facts, I would be more on the fence about it. ",
"Your situation is the exception to the rule. With no disrespect intended, women(generally) take rejection much more personally. \n\nI'm sure your husband very much appreciates your understanding. ",
"One of my great grandmothers had 16 children during this time period (plus a few more years). The crazy part is that they all lived well into adulthood, most of them into their 90’s and 2 lived to be 100+. I’m not sure how they all managed to dodge the high mortality rate. My great grandmother developed horrible arthritis after her last child was born and suffered silently and apparently very grumpily, for the rest of her years. She always wore black dresses with tall black boots even though she never lost a child and was not a widow until the last years of her life. Anyway, thought I’d share that. I cannot imagine living that life.",
"The Oregon trail is a beast.",
"Exactly !",
":)",
"I don't know what their reasons are, but they should have the right to do so. They're not threatening your freedom anymore than any driver on the road, or someone traveling to the third world and coming back to your country, for example. They are risking bringing back a disease that could hurt you! Better not allow travel back from those places, right?",
"no doctors worked on Sundays.\n\nno one to declare time or day of death...",
"Neat, I did major in history them went in to my graduate studies, and I specialized in ancient history, early church history, and I specifically studied the Crusades.\n\nSo as someone who clearly is an authority on the subject, why do you see the Fourth Crusade as a push again Music expansion and how do you square this with the lack of Muslim response to the Kingdom of Jerusalem and their lack of understanding of the Crusades as a religious war and rather as a small regional power struggle. ",
"You can get all the qoutes you want from the internet or any \"expert\" you want. Until you actually do an autopsy on a young child you won't the what the f you're talking about. Espically since the public has no idea what is going on, but can only read what they're being told. ",
"It was also a common practice in Hungary (and other countries too, IIRC) to give children warding names (\"doesn't live\", \"doesn't move\", etc...) to trick evil spirits into leaving them alone. ",
"Holy shit. What horrifies me most is that they waited so long to bury the bodies. When spring came, they would have to see their six dead children again. ",
"careful though. just because \"science\" doesn't really mean much. if you are interested you can research the terrible side effects of the anthrax vaccine that was mandatory to give to military members ",
"Perhaps he was chill for his time, but his fanatical antisemitism and his teachings on how the worker should submit to his master, the wife to her husband and the peasants to their liege had very far reaching consequences.",
"!remindme 5 hours",
"Birthirism is racism. If you hear someone endorse that birther nonsense you can, without hesitation and with complete certainty, point to that person and say they're racist.",
"What part of \"too early\" means \"not at all to you\"?\n\nJapan for example doesn't start giving the immunizations until kids are 2 years old. \n\nWe USED to do the same thing and had roughly the same efficacy rate that we do now, we also had lower incidents of negative reactions. \n\nBut as I pointed out - reddit can't deal with nuance on this issue - you're treating me like I am saying kids should not be vaccinated against MMR etc. just because I think they shouldn't be getting them quite so young. Thanks for proving the point I was making. \n\nThere is nothing \"anti-vaccine\" in my statements and questions, but you will treat me like I'm Jenny McCarthy.",
"When your friends have a baby, don't get a flu shot that year or the next year. Go over to their house as often as you can.\n\nThat'll teach them.",
"Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh shhhiiiiiitttttttt. Hit em with the burns with the vernacular on top. You're killing it bro",
"Not responding obviously, dumbo",
"Thank you. I’m insanely horrible with math. ",
"Generally speaking, you should see your doctor for a sore throat that lasts more than three days, especially when coupled with a fever. Could be strep - IANAD, so please go see one!",
"But some 15 year old thoroughly discredited research says that vaccines will give my kids AUTISM which is apparently worse than death!\n\n/s, obviously.",
"Found the anti-vaxxer!",
"A lot of things might not make sense in that head of yours.\n\nIt’s okay.",
"only a bachelor's? yeah, i can see why it went over your head.\n\nnow why are you bringing in antibiotics. we aren't discussing that. we are discussing anti-bacterial soap and how it doesn't work when used as intended. yes anti-bacterial soap doesn't kill viruses (that isn't my point) , it also doesn't kill airborne pathogens (which is the point). are you saying that if there was an anti-viral soap that it would somehow keep airborne viruses from spreading? cause unless that is what you are saying then YES my example is going over your head edit: and if you do say that well you need to retake some of your classes.\n\nugh. but as you said you only have a bachelors so i guess there is no point in discussing this with you so i say good day sir!",
">If you don't take Oxytocin, then you should be forced to at gunpoint, because I don't want your irresponsibility hurting me or my family.\n\n>If you don't take [patented drug that indices wakefulness], then you should be forced to at gunpoint, because I don't want your irresponsibility hurting me or my family.\n\n>If you don't receive [patented gene mod that extracts MAO-A from your system], then you should be forced to at gunpoint, because I don't want your irresponsibility hurting me or my family.\n\nSorry, I have no interest in living in your cyberpunk dystopia.",
"One of my friends on Facebook posted an antivax video, with the comment, \"this is fear mongering vaccinate your kids!\" I was relieved that she vaccinates, but her other friends posting comments like, \"we all die eventually.\" \"Dont judge us for not putting a virus in our children!\" They're so trashy and backwards 🙄",
"Is this somewhere in Copenhagen?",
"Tetanus\n\n>Tetanus: An often fatal infectious disease that is caused by the bacterium Clostridium tetani, which usually enters the body through a puncture, a cut, or an open wound. Tetanus leads to profound painful spasms of muscles, including 'locking' of the jaw so that the mouth cannot open, and death.\n\nA small child can suffer muscle spasms severe enough to break bones. But hey, go ahead and skip that DTaP vaccine.",
"i believe it's on netflix, its one of my personal favs so i rewatch it every few years",
"> after about 5 years pass they will silently realize they were wrong, everything is fine, and they have nothing to worry about.\n\nYou give these people WAY too much credit. In the ensuing 5 years, they will blame every single malady that occurs to them or their family on the vaccines. Cancer diagnosis? Vaccines. Flu 3 years later? Vaccines. Scraped knee? Vaccines.\n\nNot saying this policy wouldn't better our society and prevent unnecessary deaths, but if you expect delusional people to suddenly become reasonable ones, you will be disappointed. ",
"Depends on how fond you are of counting toothpicks, i suppose. ",
"You are a twat, can you not take correction gracefully?",
"That's the thing. The mentality on those kinds of things has changed drastically over time. ",
"Reckon he could have done it without millions of people dying? You know, being an all powerful deity and all...",
"Then counter the propaganda in the market of ideas, don't become an authoritarian jackass.\n\nWhatever happened to \"my body, my choice\"?",
"This is silly, at least applied to present times. I don't know why any woman would be \"embarrassed\" to initiate. I can guarantee you all of my close female friends are not embarrassed. Being turned down isn't really a huge worry - my husband and I make it a point to never turn each other down unless one of us is sick or something. If someone is setting themselves up for rejection by wanting sex, maybe something should be reevaluated. Sex is an important part of marriage and it's important both parties' needs are met. But regardless, not sure why a woman would be more embarrassed to be turned down than a man. ",
"Although it looks like the poster you replied to is from the US from their history, those from other countries may view reddit as more right wing than we do (in terms of economic and science policy discussion) simply because the site is very US dominated.\n\n From a global standpoint, especially in comparison to developmentally comparative countries like those in the EU, the political discourse in the US is substantially to the right. In most of Europe and half the world, the socialists are one of the most powerful and moderate political parties and healthcare is viewed as a right to be provided by the government for being born, even by those on the right.\n\nAlso most other countries don't have any parties or major politicians that deny climate change, evolution, vaccination science, etc. \n\nReddit is certainly left wing from a US perspective though.",
"why did you choose oxytocin?\n\nwhy not raping squirrels?\n\nor some other complete bullshit that doesn't prove anything except you think you can change the subject and still think you make any sense. you don't\n",
"And fish swim in water. Are we done mentioning unrelated facts?\n\nHow does your statement make it apolitical? Are you incapable of simple logic?",
"Okay, so, but like, again, if an expert told you to vaccinate your kids you would still research it anyway…because?",
"Yeah, because \"undeveloped immune systems\" are way better at handling actual deadly diseases than a vaccine. Jesus Christ that's a dumb argument. ",
"Fuck I read it as vacation and was really confused",
"It's a shitpost account don't get too bent out of shape. ",
"Diphtheria is especially horrible. A membrane forms over the throat, suffocating the child to death. Imagine watching your hacking, coughing, suffering child turn to wheezing, then their face turns blue, then shortly after their eyes go dead and their body limp, all in the space of a few hours. And you can't do a damn thing about it. \n\nThe horror.",
"100 years ago it was considered a mental illness for womem to enjoy sex, even with their own husbands. Many women did not want to have sex because they did not want anymore children or their husbands had STDs that they did not want. Or they were married off too young and were not ready mentally for sex with their new owner. It was not uncommon for women to have mental breakdowns after the deaths of children they never wanted but had no choice in the matter. I know my grandmother was married off at 14 to her rapist and that was in the late 50s. Fucked her up. ",
"And here I was thinking \"at least he's not an anti vaxxer\".",
"> No it isn't. It's about finding a conspiracy to latch onto.\n\nThe need to improve vaccine science is no conspiracy in the medical community, awareness does have to be raised in the general public as to the current situation otherwise the industry will not change and invest in sensible studies.\n\n> The CDC has done them.\n\nUnfortunately they have avoided the most important studies of all and refuse to do them. That's why we're seeing experts needing to crowdfund the necessary trials, as studies like this are very expensive.\n\n",
"> It's also important to know that they (or at least most) aren't doing this for selfish reasons. I personally think that the biggest thing driving the anti-vax movement is the illusion of control; uninformed people hear all these things from their social circles and when they do their own research and find what they consider to be legitimate evidence, they believe it. Then, when the time comes to vaccinate their own kids, the idea that saying yes to the vaccine and possible causing harm to their child is a lot more scary to them then doing nothing and something happening simply \"by chance\".\n\nI don't think any of the anti-vax movement is out to hurt their children. They firmly believe they are helping, but the opposite is true. My biggest problem with this whole thing is how people have come to distrust experts. It has been starting for a long time, but in modern America there is a huge push back against experts (PhD's, Doctors, etc) who have spent their entire lives looking at information. Instead people google for an hour, proclaim \"I've done my research,\" and end it.",
"> They're not threatening your freedom anymore than any driver on the road\n\nthey are threatening our fucking lives. freedom to live. do you understand that? that's a real and genuine threat\n\n>They are risking bringing back a disease that could hurt you!\n\nYES. THAT IS A REAL PROBLEM\n\n>Better not allow travel back from those places, right?\n\nTHEY SCREEN TRAVELERS FROM CERTAIN AREAS OF THE WORLD, YES\n\n(facepalm)",
"Damn. He looks badass.",
"My mam's aunt and uncle, who only died two years and two months ago respectively, lost 13 kids either through miscarriage or stillbirth. Heartbreaking as they were two of the loveliest people you could ever meet. And because this was good old Catholic Ireland they weren't allowed see any of the babies, and they were buried in unmarked graves in an unknown location because they weren't baptised and therefore didn't go to heaven. God I hate the church. They did eventually have one child that lived, who is a bit of a psycho and roaring alco, and my gruncle once said to my mam when he was doting something along the lines of \"isn't it a terror all the ones we had that died, and the one that lived was a bitch.\" The past is grim as fuck. ",
"And remember. Have your pets spayed and neutered.",
"I first read \"vacation\"",
"Same. Oops.",
"Ugh I had a horrible issue with croup as a kid. It was terrifying. I would wake up in the middle of the night with my throat having completely swollen shut and would have to get to the hospital as fast as possible. Fortunately going outside to the cold night air usually makes it so I can breath just a bit. It was bad though, was in the ER several times a year every year until I was 14.",
"Mostly because Germany is thinking of dosing it in the water to reduce population aggression and mistrust, which is fucking psychotic and a reflection of the ideas of people who think it's fine to force people to take drugs at gunpoint. \n\nThe horseshoe into idiocy is happening *right now*.",
"Roughly from age 13 to 43, barring medical intervention and other variables.",
"It’s a part of life. I have multiple disabilities myself, partially deaf and a shitty spinal disease. I didn’t ask for health issues, it just happens to some people. Yeah it sucks if people have a shitty immune system but it’s a part of life and a part of evolution. Some people are just going to die sooner than others, it’s sad but it’s true nonetheless... It’s also none of our faults other than the anti-vaxxers if people want someone to blame. It’s their anti-science ideal that puts those people at risk, not me. Sadly, whether or not anti-vaxxers exist those people with shitty immune systems will exist too. All we can do is try to educate anti-vaxxers or just let process of social-Darwinism take its course and eliminate those anti-vaxxers. ",
"You misunderstand what's scary about what you said.\n\nYes, anti-vaxxing is clearly and provably a \"bad thing.\" Literally nobody here is arguing that it is wise not to vaccinate your children.\n\nBut there's no \"mass hysteria\" about it. Anti-vaxxers make up what, a couple thousand people out of **323 million** US citizens? The odds of any of us even running into an anti-vaxxer in our entire lives, much less be *meaningfully impacted* by their choice is... practically nil. It's a bogeyman of a topic, the only mass hysteria here is that these anti-vaxxers are somehow destroying our society and we have to collectively \"raise awareness and do something about them!!!!\"\n\nSo no, just because you disagree with someone's unwise child rearing decisions does not mean **by any means necessary** is in any way, shape, or form a justified response. That's the exact kind of thinking that breeds organizations like Al Qaeda, where somehow the ends always justify the means because they *think* their belief is the *right* belief.\n\nSo you think these anti-vaxxers need to be stopped by any means necessary? Including murdering them in cold blood? Picking them out and publicly torturing them to send a message to the rest? Are you comfortable being the one pulling their toenails off with pliers on national television, to send that message, if that's what it takes? I mean, you did say this is a threat that needs to be stopped **by any means necessary**.\n\nI sincerely hope you can see how that's an absolutely terrifying line of reasoning, and I hope you don't genuinely believe it.",
"I just saved your comment.\n\nThe next time I'll encounter an anti-vaxer, your comment will make them cry so that their children won't have to. ",
"Haha, oh my yes! Especially with the light sabre (my wife and I are both terrible nerds lol)!",
"I see. I misinterpreted your original comment. Thanks!",
"what moronic tin foil hat wearing lying \"media\" do you fucking read?\n",
"Ethiopia is a child of israel, this dam move was instigated by the jews to spread hate and disputes and religious tensions. Typical israeli scheming ",
"Reminds me of the kid from the Southpark 2 game who utilizes his diabetes as a super power through diabetic rage lol",
"My father was born in 1936, and was one among 12 siblings. The main reason back then (in his area) was cheap physical labor. His father's farm was some 400 acres, and various livestock and animals.",
"Just another reason not to eat ass.",
"I had some neighbors in a similar pursuit; looking for possible relatives they found a family graveyard on the side of the road by a cornfield containing everyone from the family who had gone west and any children they had on the way.",
"Oh look- it’s this again... they also didn’t shower regularly or wash their hands after wiping themselves - doesn’t seem like a totally fair comparison...",
">Did you read the context of the quote? He misspoke and said \"born\" instead of \"torn\". I see two problems here:\n>\n\nYou want to talk about fake? Alright let's talk about fake. You seem crazy about links. \"Babies torn from their mothers wombs at 9 months\"... please show me evidence of 9th month abortions that are so prevalent that the President thought it was an issue to talk about. THAT'S the real fake news here.\n\n smh the man you're defending is the most notorious purveyor of fake news out there. Sort yourself out \n\n\n",
"Right, because i forgot only one race is born outside of america. Silly me.",
"Science Daily, a study out of Universität Bonn.",
"Beautifully said. Couldn't agree more",
"I have objections to anyone forcing anyone else to put anything into their body.",
"That doesnt really have much to do with christianity though",
"Thanks for this. Answered all the questions I had left in my head. Have a good day :)",
"And to pretend it's not racist you have to put a ton of effort into being intentionally obtuse.",
"Jesus and Togo was 12 years old at the time, which is pretty old for a not-small dog.\n\nIron Dog.",
"Exactly. He just makes statements to generate a reaction. Sad",
"Isn't vaccines and how they work part of biology class in your country?\nI don't think I learnt how all of these exactly work but the basic principle was taught. The same applied to to different antibiotics, bacteria and virus-spread or genetic disorders and genetic tinkering.\nThese are definitely complex things to develope and make use of, but the very basics can be understood by a 10-13 grade student.\n",
"What’s the difference in taste? ",
"If the choice is between my kid getting an allergic reaction from a vaccine, or them getting vaccinated at all, I choose vaccine. \n\nOne risks my child dying from a completely preventable illness, or killing other people's children who do not have functional immune system. If I vaccinate them I still have a child and other parents do too. If they somehow get an allergic reaction (highly unlikely), they will be in the single best place to have an allergic reaction (medical care facility).\n\nI'd rather my kid be in pain from an allergic reaction than die or kill another kid.",
"No problem.\n\nI've always said, if I was a long lived alien in need of an army, I'd go to earth and recruit humanity, because we are highly adaptive, aggressive, and breed rapidly. :)",
"It’s been like this for 40 years and nobody complained until a few years ago.\n\nThere’s no smart reason to reject sensible authoritarianism. If you’re an asshole who likes to put others in danger, we’re glad to let you go.",
"Thanks for that. It makes me feel better to know at least they weren't left alone. ",
"If they themselves saw it as a non religious war, why do you make it such? Why not condemn the Jihadist oppression for centuries before? Crusades werent unprovoked, bud.",
"Best boy. ",
"The point of this post is that without vaccines, many many more die. Vaccines aren't perfect, but they're still much better than the diseases they prevent.",
"Can confirm the tweet as the sauce. It was shared by a few of my doctor friends from back home on Facebook when it was trending.",
"15, 12, 5, 4, and 2",
"I watched my parents terrible grief after losing my sister. I have no idea how people survived after the deaths of so many children. The pain my parents endured losing just one child was almost enough to literally kill them both. ",
"Step 4: Profit",
"Kind of a national tradition, even in Seoul. It may be going out of fashion now that infant mortality rates are decreasing. At 100 days the parents throw a big party with a buffet and play games that \"predict\" the child's future occupation. Fried crickets are nummy and crunchy. ",
"Larsen was my Great-grandmother's maiden name. She and my Great-grandfather immigrated to the US from Värmland, Sweden. (Don't know why I've decided you and all of Reddit needed this very important information...lol.)",
"Is that something people believe now too?",
"Okay, I was wrong in assuming that you weren't stupid, but simply uninformed. \n\nMy point was that since there are clear examples of it being political, then it is indeed political. Which is quite a simple point that I am sorry you are not capable of understanding.\n\n30 minutes ago, the ECR group of the EU just tweeted a post related to vacinations. I don't expect you to know what the ECR group or even the EU is, but, you know, another example.",
"As scary as it sounds ... I think your child loves you too much.",
"i am not interested in going down the rabbit hole of wack job conspiracy theory weak minded fear addled ignorance\n\neven if some airhead at some university said \"let's drug the water\" that's about 10,000 light years from an actual fucking govt policy genius\n",
"It's pretty disingenuous to claim they have high vaccination rates when the number of shots they get could potentially be as low as 1, when the CDC schedule calls for something like 36 shots.",
"That's so heartbreaking. ",
"It amazes me when people talk about chickenpox vaccines. It makes me feel like the future is happening now, because I'm 15 and remember having chickenpox, and now it's grouped in with old diseases that are now vaccinated against. Fucking epic, I say.",
"Thank you for being the only one here with common sense.",
"A disease is \n\n\"a disorder of structure or function in a human, animal, or plant, especially one that produces specific symptoms or that affects a specific location and is not simply a direct result of physical injury.\"\n\nI work in health research.",
"This is heartbreaking",
"losing over half the kids you create is pretty depressing.",
"There are plenty of sensible reasons to reject the government telling you what you must inject into your bloodstream. Governments and the people who run them have one goal, one desire: maintaining power. This a fair compromise against the ruin of anarchy, but it must be curbed where and when it can.",
"At first glance I thought it's a grave with a depth chart, with people all buried in the same spot, but at 10 ft, 26ft, 19ft... then 26ft again somehow - \"did they play Tetris with these poor people's corpses?!\".",
"Depends on your religion, mainly. This actually piqued my interest, so I've been reading up. Here's what I've found.\n\n\nSome Christians such as Catholics believe in purgatory or a time of waiting/cleansing before Judgement Day, while others believe you will be judged and sent to Heaven/Hell immediately. Mormons (at least, this is what I've gathered after reading from mormon.org which is a little confusing) believe you are judged after the resurrection (I think this is Christ's second coming?) but you have time after death to accept the Mormon faith before the judgement, while there's also a paradise for those who were Mormon when they died. After the resurrection you can go to actual Heaven. Catholic: Granma is waiting; Protestant; granma might be waiting in the ground; LDS: Granma's body is in the ground but not her soul.\n\n\nThe Jewish are split in whether they believe in Heaven (and Hell) because the Torah and other writings don't support their existence, yet many rabbis have believed in them for thousands of years. I can't seem to find a source about a Jewish purgatory after roughly 2 minutes of googling so who knows, maybe they go to Heaven right after they die. Granma might or might not still be in the ground \n\n\nWikipedia says Islam says when you die, martyrs go straight to heaven and everyone else are questioned by 2 angels who determine your righteousness by these questions while in Barzakh, an in-between place before resurrection on Qiyamah or Judgement Day. In Barzakh, there is a place for both sinners and the righteous to await Qiyamah, a bit like Mormons believe. I'm not sure if all sects of Islam believe in this. Granma is still in the ground.\n\n\nIf I've gotten anything wrong, please let me know. :)",
"I'm from the south. If you took the - out of those temps, I'd still be impressed",
"My child got the rotavirus vaccine that was recalled because the FDA finally tested a batch that was found to have porcine and pig/monkey viruses in it. My child has issues. Does anyone from the vaccine company want to research my child and his issues after getting strange porcine and pig/monkey viruses and who knows what else (how did those even GET IN there?). Nope. The adults that ended up getting cancer from a batch of polio viruses didn't get answers until most were dead. And you wonder why some people question some of this. ",
"True. If there is no vaccine and the disease is incredibly contagious and likely survivable, it can make sense just to get it and ride it out. \n\nMy aunt got Chicken pox when she was 15 and nearly ended up hospitalized. This was in the 70's with our modern sanitation and hygiene practices too. (Since anti-vaxxers often claim vaccines don't work and all instances of diseases disappearing are sanitation related.) ",
"The CDC uses the word eradicated. You should look up what that word means.\n\nOh, and since you are so worried about these diseases making a comeback, your efforts and venom would be better focused on those who freely come into the States as carriers of theses diseases. They are the problem. \n\nRemember all the hysteria over the Disney measles outbreak? That outbreak *happened* because a foreigner was allowed in the country with the disease. Who in turn gave measles to Disney workers who were vaccinated, but got the measles anyway. And then exposed lots and lots of people.\n\nFocus your anger on policies that allow travelers from countries where these diseases aren't *eradicated* to come here and infect us. That's the problem. It's not those of us that have done the math (risk vs. reward) and made an informed decision. HINT: It isn't about autism. The reward is for the herd, while the risk is for the individual. That's problematic.\n\n",
"At least Stieg Larsen lived.",
"\"Immediately after the relay, Togo and another dog on the team escaped to chase after reindeer, eventually returning to their kennel in Little Creek. Seppala was dismayed that the champion was neglected by the press, commenting \"it was almost more than I could bear when the newspaper dog Balto received a statue for his 'glorious achievements\" - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Togo_(dog)",
"Agreed. I am so happy my kids will never have to suffer it.",
"> We don't the actual effects of vaccines on youth because they are not a natural human biological process.\n\nWe do. There's plenty of studies done. Look them up.",
"hygiene, nutrition, basic living conditions were the cause.",
"More true than you know, but that's still not going to save them.",
"College roommate's sister.",
"You can't change them. Believe me, I've tried. They're quite fact resistant. All you can do is set firm boundaries and be honest about why you are making those choices. I don't believe this insanity will end until everyone knows someone who's kid died from a vaccine preventable illness. They don't believe science, but anecdotal evidence works, unfortunately :(",
"Live fast and die young, like them diphtheria kids. ",
"I am 61 so my mom had polio and limped or life. My friend next door's mom had it and wore a full on leg brace for life and a cane and my cousin had it. Also for chicken pox, my wife almost died from it as a child as it started to spread down her throat. But you are right, you do not know anyone so it is easy to imagine it is not a threat.\n\nSadly, when my mom got polio as an infant in 1922 the treatment was immobilization (confined to a bed). Wrong. It is physical therapy. So she was confined to a year in bed and her legs did not form correctly. But her arms are fine. Oh well. At least she did not die.",
"Does asperger's live on a spectrum? I've always wondered if I have it, but it's not full blown, life interrupting.\n\nLike, I can empathize with others okay. But I absolutely despise being in conversations where the topic is either uninteresting to me, or completely banal. But you get me talking about something I like, I can go on for hours. I'm not generally awkward with social interactions, so if there's a spectrum, I'd be on the low/minor end.",
"I got vaccinated when I was 5, and developed asthma as a direct result. I was hospitalized immediately the same day, just hours later and couldn't breathe. The doctors assumed I would die that night but somehow I pulled through. The doctors agreed it was due to the vaccine. \nI'm all for vaccines that work and cause no side effects, but there's no 100% guarantee that they will, thus mandatory vaccines is a very bad idea. ",
"The number is pulled from [Health Canada](https://www.canada.ca/en/public-health/services/publications/diseases-conditions/fluwatch/2017-2018/weeks51-52-december-17-30-2017.html) which, in conjunction with the provinces engages in influenza monitoring. \n\nWhile you are correct that some carriers have mild or no symptoms, that is not the usual case. If you look at the other statistics on that site you'd see that of all patients who present with influenza-like symptoms, only 18.7% have influenza A and 9.4% have influenza B, for a grand total of 28.1%. That means greater than 2/3rd's of people who think they have the flu (and go to a doctor) do not have the flu. \n\nHowever even if we allow for some kind of massive under-reporting - let's say only 1/3 of all influenza cases get reported - that's still less than 1/10th of 1% of the population. It's still a tiny fraction of a number....",
"“Jesus bliver hos mig.” My thoughts exactly.",
"Larsen is a Norwegian name, the Swedish version it it is \"Larsson\", which is a very common name.\n\nMy Guess is that your great-grandmother family came from Norway and lived in Värmland(Which is a Swedish region that is in the Norwegian border.",
"I completely agree. That doesn't stop people from becoming sycophants on either side of the argument. I hate anti vaxxers because they belittle science and all of the wonderful things it has done for society entirely and are not founded in any evidence based knowledge.\n\nAnd then on the other side people become insane with their credence to western medicine in its entirety and dismiss all nutrition, chiropractic, natural, and holistic approaches as pure quackery. \n\nThere is power in prayer and meditation. There are cures in the form of a pill. There are positives and negative aspects to both.\n\n\nAnd before you get you panties in a bundle I realize that you shouldn't try to meditate and lavender oil your way through serious cancer just like a doctor shouldn't be prescribing 2 year Olds amphetamines for add or 14 year Olds oxycontin for a twisted ankle.\nBoth sets have blood on their hands.",
"Tell that to Picasso",
"😂 this coming from a man that made fun of others for using a teleprompter ",
"[Okay](https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/449525268529815552), [sure](https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/507158574670573568) ",
"Yeah, that's why the government was giving the team that did the tests funding, I'm sure.",
"I think my favorite part of the story is how determined he was to be a sled dog. \n\nHe was small (less than 50 pounds)\n\nHe was sick when born and had to have a lot of medical care\n\nThe owner initially tried to get rid of him (he ran back home)\n\nAnd when he was 8 months old, he would run with the sled team until his owner decided to make him a sled dog. And he ran 75 miles on his first day!",
"Uh-oh. That's the bad time when peeing yourself is almost required.",
"Then you're the best one! I'm one of three, and right in the middle.",
"You don't really need to get vaccines for things like the the \"common cold\" which is caused by various viruses such as rhinoviruses and isn't deadly. Influenza is also not a big deal for individuals with uncompromised immune systems. However, diphtheria, measles, mumps, tetanus are no joke and people should get vaccinated. In the words of Patrick Star: \"we're not cavemen, we have technology...\" Don't smash the vaccines though...",
"That's just because the Americans won a cultural victory after building Broadway and Hollywood.",
"I was sick recently and watched it on Netflix every day for like a week. It was my childhood too and I feel like it still holds up!",
"This years Flu Vaccine was just 10% effective and is a strong example of why people disagree with forced vaccination. Not to mention the increased garbage in the Flu shots that make them even worse than others...",
">a cop can pull you over if you speed\n\nDriving is not a right. Existing is.\n\n>if you do not vaccinate, you're like a speeder, a bank robber:\n\nThe speeder has no right to unrestricted travel on publicly owned roadways. The bank robber has no right to other people's money.\n\nYou DO have the right to control what goes into your body.\n\n>you are threatening our freedoms with lawless action\n\nNot vaccinating against most diseases is stupid but it's not lawless. It's perfectly legal.\n\n",
"I'm literally hugging my infant right now, so thankful I'll never have to fear her dying of a preventable disease.\n\nShe had whooping cough when she was two months old. I had gotten vaccinated while pregnant, so it wasn't that severe.. And we just happened to have a well check the day a tiny cough started. Her doctor was concerned about the sound, did the test for whooping cough and prescribed medication. A few days later it was confirmed, but my baby was already all anti-bioticed up.\n\nWe had to talk to the cdc and everything. It was scary and thankfully we took all the steps to make it as harmless as possible. ",
"In some places that was common practice. There's that story about Vincent Van Gogh. He was given the same name as a brother who died at birth one year before. Every week going to church as a kid he had to walk past the head stone of his brother with the same name and birth date. ",
"[This is how they died](https://imgur.com/wnHOJpv)",
"> Existing is.\n\nexactly. which is threatened by morons who don't vaccinate. that's the threat to freedom to live\n\n",
"dude, go back to /r/conspiracy\n\nno one sane is buying this ignorant shit\n",
"I’m still hoping I can live forever as a robo-brain.",
"Not going to repeat the other user's reply, but theres dozens of instances of it.\n\nTrump arguably is doing more damage when it comes to vaccines than Jenny Mccarthy ever did, since he's more famous than she ever was.\n\nStill, jennymccarthybodycount.com",
"> So this idea that you seem to have that Koreans don't name their children because they might die\n\nThat sounds pretty condescending, though doesn't it? I try not to make things up about other cultures, this is what was explained to me multiple times at various '100 days parties' I went to. \n\n>There's a clear reason why people grieve. Of why people would need to grieve to better aid in their healing process. To help the mother and family gain a support system to help heal after the loss of a child. \n\nUnderstandable, but I think this is a very modern conception and luxury. Still borns and early child deaths were so common prior to modern medicine that in many cultures parents didn't really get attached to fetuses or even children until they knew they had a decent shot at living. If you had 5 brothers and sisters all die before two years old, and 4 of your own children, well you tend not to get too attached to save yourself disappointment. ",
"Ugh, thank you for this! I got my TDAP booster about five years ago. I'll update with my doctor.",
"In 2017 I had to put two dogs down within 3 months of each other... I cried for days before and after each, thought it was gonna hurt forever. Holy shit this post puts things into perspective...",
">they are threatening our fucking lives. freedom to live. do you understand that? that's a real and genuine threat\n\nAs I said, yes, they are. But *no more than* people who don't get vaccinated. Every driver on the road is \"threatening\" (more like endangering) every other driver's life. You haven't convinced me how that's any different. \n\n&nbsp;\n\nAnd we could equivalently \"screen\" people who don't get vaccinated by not allowing them to go to public school, or have access to other public facilities or programs. Instead of you know... arresting them at gunpoint and forcibly injecting things into them. Some sort of middle ground that doesn't involve force or violence??! Crazy idea, right?",
"The funny thing is that many “anti-vaxers” do understand herd immunity. \n\nIt’s one of the reasons “anti-vax” parents might have one or more vaccinated children. Also, don’t forget that many anti-vaxers are highly educated or themselves in the medical field.\n\nThe question is: does herd immunity outweigh the risk adverse reactions that occur from vaccines?\n\nAlso, I’ve been wondering: how come viruses like Ebola, for which there aren’t vaccines, don’t pose a greater risk to the “herd”?",
"how can you not remember balto and the northern lights that came from some broken bottles under a shed?",
"This needs to be linked from https://www.reddit.com/r/vancouver/comments/7qusoy/psa_please_dont_drink_raw_water_metro_vancouver/",
"I'm upvoting your comment because it took me seeing you spell out /u/Micro_Cosmos for me to get the above joke. Sometimes my brain doesn't do a good job of supporting my self-image as a smart person. ",
"How long should those millions have lived before eventually dying anyway, 30, 60, 80 years? What if some of those millions that died would have otherwise created and used a technology that would wipe out all of mankind? What if some were miserable and didn’t want to continue living? Also without things we perceive to be bad happening there could never be things we perceive to be good happen because there wouldn’t be anything to compare the good against. ",
"And he lived until he was 16, too, so those 200+ miles did nothing to shorten his life at all. ",
"Aw man, I’m sorry. I hope you’re better now.",
"Disagree. If my vaccinated child caught a vaccine preventable illness and died because we lost herd immunity and because vaccines aren't 100% effective, I would be so filled with rage I would never get over it. I believe I'd be sorely tempted to hunt down former Dr. Wakefield and all the other anti vax \"thought\" leaders.",
"I read vaccination as vacation.... I was very confused",
"Hearthstone is played out. Elder Scrolls Legends is the popular thing now.",
"Heh. \"I'm not a reverse weeaboo, I swear! I'm the real thing!\"",
"Yes - I was a kid before chicken-pox vaccine, so I had it. I recall that it wiped out my class for a few weeks, much as measles had done in 3rd grade. ",
"Because, I spoke the wildly known and recently admitted truth? Moron...\n\nIdiots like you simply reinforce the degenerate idea the last few years that \"there is no middle-ground on controversial issues...youre either for the police or against ALL of them, Dem or Rep , against all Muslims or against the US etcetc\" \n\nWake tf up",
"[Some of that is due to how the statistics are recorded.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infant_mortality#Epidemiology) What the US might consider an infant death, other countries may call a stillborn and aren't counted in their statistics.\n\n> Aforementioned differences in measurement could play a substantial role in the disparity between the US and other nations. A non-viable live birth in the US could be registered as a stillbirth in similarly developed nations like Japan, Sweden, Norway, Ireland, the Netherlands, and France – thereby reducing the infant death count.",
"At firat glance, I thought the title read \"vacations\" instead of vaccinations. Was very confused. ",
"Or they were really poor and didn't have TV",
"As much as I understand your point, there is no way that would be a wise way moving forward. At the very least you would lose your freedom of choice over what the government injects you with, and at the very least, you would end up eradicating a deadly disease only to birth another one (even more intrusive government)",
"Tell us more about this brain surgery.",
"Idk where you live, but I live in one of those European socialist hellholes where vaccination has always been free.",
"My sister was anti vax for a while. Jokes on her, the kid she waited to vaccinate until 5 is still autistic. I know a lot of anti vax people here in Utah. Bunch of idiots. ",
"Possible? I've had sex with plenty of women. I guess they initiate in other ways I am completely oblivious to? Suttle ways, grinding up a bit on you. Talking sexy? But then again I'm a very literal person, and men need to be careful nowadays in regards to consent. Unless the girl tells me \"I want to have sex with you, let's have sex\", then I'm going to assume I will need to initiate. That means ask. I ALWAYS ask my wife. I would never just grab her and stick it in, so to speak.",
"Some of those reactions are more than just a bit of pain. That was the point above. If you end up literally brain damaged, that isn't just a little pain. And I understand how people exposed to such reactions may think quite differently about vaccination.\n\n\"Hey, I know you don't want your kid to die from a disease that he likely won't be exposed to in the modern world. So let's give that child a shot that nearly killed your first child to prevent it!\" \n\nDoesn't that sound the least bit off to you?",
">You haven't convinced me how that's any different.\n\nif i go on the road i volunteer my life to the risks, because you need to drive to live\n\nif some asshole doesn't vaccinate because they're a fear-added ignorant moron, that is a completely invalid, indefensible unacceptable risk i never accepted as a threat to my life. being a dangerous moron is not a valid defense for anything\n\nnevermind if enough don't vaccinate the threat to my life and my loved one's lives from disease grows exponentially to dozens of times the threat to my life from simple road traffic\n",
"No *true* vaxxer would have an opinion different than mine! He surely must be an evil anti-vaxxer scum in disguise!",
"Same. Was very confused. Why wasn't vacation an option? Did they go so long without a vacation that they killed each other? \n\nTook me a minute",
"What a good boy.",
"oh grow up.... your government is lying to you and so is big pharma. they can't make money off people who are well.",
"Better dead than autistic",
"Sorry to hear that. Wishing you well.",
"Lol, I flat out condemn all religions, *you* tried to justify the Crusades.\n\nTo the *Crusaders* it was a religious war. They went to war solely for religious reasons. The Crusades were a response to Jerusalem being in Muslim control as it had been for centuries. The reason people fought was deep religious fervor that fed on the very real fears of the noble / Knight class that their souls were doomed for their violent lives, but by Crusading they could save their souls through the only thing they knew, military action. \n\nThe Crusades were a blip on the radar for the Islamic world which was roiling between the Ayyubids, Fatimids, Seljuks, and every other *massive* regional power. The Crusaders were just one player among dozens, and a pretty small one at that.\n\n\nOne side was fighting a violent religious war (as evidenced by Crusaders happily butchering Jews before beginning their march) while the other side was fighting a regional / political war. Muslim historians at the time flat out didn't recognize what the Crusaders were or why they were fighting, it was only later Western revisionism that bled into the Muslim understanding of that time",
"Yeah, actually doing my goddamn research makes me the ignorant one. Just close your eyes and fall asleep, the powers that be surely have nothing but your best interests at heart.\n\nCoward.",
"Very nearly a straight flush ",
"Note, not *Doctor* Andrew Wakefield. He got struck off for serious financial and ethical violations. Pretty serious failures for a medical professional.",
"i didn't claim they had a high rate. I said they did vaccinate. which they do. 68% of parents vaccinate all their children, 17% some of their children, with at least 1. the amish vaccinate. that is pretty clear. want to pick another group? there are these kids in africa...it just isn't working out to well for them",
"Or books?",
"As far as can be determined, we are in a state of constant flux. We 'die' every second as our neural wiring is altered. \n\nNow, if a drastic change occurs, such as suddenly having brain damage or being able to see again after 20 years of neurological blindness, then how much have we changed? \n\nIf someone has a hemispherectomy, did half of them truly die when the hemisphere was removed? \n\nBut anyway, many cases of autism are due to sensory overload, not the brain itself (although continued sensory assault will result in very poor wiring) if we had a way to set these thresholds to a more palatable level, would that be replacing them?",
"I believe you are correct. I don't have much history on her family, but I remember my Grandmother discussing how Swedish surnames worked and it was always confusing to me because her maiden name wasn't spelled in that fashion. ",
"I fully support your decision in this. Actions, or lack of actions, have consequences. Your family shouldn't have to take the consequences of their actions/inactions. Shun them, and force them to choose between family or crackpot acquaintances.",
"Or, instead of xenophobia, we can fight for all of the world to have access to these vaccines.",
"That's not how vaccines work. Vaccines protect those who have them when they are working properly. But for those who can't get them for whatever reason, an unvaccinated person is no more dangerous to them than a vaccinated one because even if you are vaccinated you can still carry a disease/virus\n\nFurther, not all vaccines are proven 100% safe, therefore you can't force something that can hurt or kill somebody else. I was vaccinated at age 5, and immediately developed asthma as a result. Just hours after the shot I could barely breathe, I had to go back to the hospital and the doctors assumed I would die. Luckily I pulled through and the doctors agreed it was a direct result of the vaccines. So while I'm all for vaccines that work, it's impossible to know they will be 100% safe for everyone ",
"There's some pictures of [huskies](https://www.reddit.com/r/husky/) on reddit that should make you feel better. ",
"your \"research\" is ignorant lies for morons\n\ni'm a coward because i laugh at the fucking idiotic crap weak minded fear addled propagandized zombies believe?\n",
"I feel like there are easier ways to not stand in the line anymore than Killing yourself. Maybe saying \"eh, fuck it. I didn't want to go there that bad anyways.\" or \"damn, I'll take a bus.\"",
"FIVE POTATOES!",
"I dabble in my family's genealogy off and on. I recently discovered that my 2nd great grandmother's sister lost three children to diphtheria ages 2, 7 and 9. The 10 year old and 3 year old survived the illness.\n\nFreddie 1890- November 14, 1899\n\nInez Lizzie 1892-November 15, 1899\n\nHomer 1887- November 17, 1899\n\nThen they lost the grandfather a month later due to grief.\n\nThese illnesses that we vaccinate against used to devastate families.\n",
"To add on, if you travel overseas, you update your vaccines. Required for gubbermint travel.",
"Vaccines don't always work. If you're going to ban them, then you might as well make it permanent -- maybe that will change their minds.",
"You are technically have some immunity (minute amounts) well after the recommended 10 year booster intervals. The level of immunity that you have has a sharp drop off near 10 years. It's not a bad idea to get boosters for TDaP at 8-9 years to get ahead of that decline. \n\nEdit: you can get TD shots, but might as well get the TDaP while you're at it in case you might be in contact with children at some point. ",
"Hmm, you might be on to something. The secret to making lines move faster is to get everyone else to kill themselves. ",
"I live not far from that cemetery and was heartbroken when I discovered the obelisk. \n\nIt stuck with me, so I did a bit of research and found that one teenaged daughter survived. Janey, the mom, essentially went mad from grief and abandoned her husband and daughter in Ontario. I believe she moved back her hometown in the US, but I wasn’t able to find what happened to her after that.",
"A threat that you have the option to mitigate by choosing to vaccinate yourself.\n\nI think we're done here.\nSuffice it to say that you think that idiots who don't want to vaccinate themselves and their children are a bigger threat to you than overbearing government.\n\nI agree that they're idiots but I think that a government big enough to regulate every facet of our lives is a bigger threat than the soccer mom at Whole Foods who once read that vaccines cause autism.\n\nGood day, sir. (or madam, whichever the case may be)",
"Actually, the flu has one of highest, if not the highest, single year death counts of any disease in history. The 1918-1919 Spanish flu was INSANE at killing people.",
"Yeesh. The racism coming off this post reeks.",
"[a good parent vaccinates their kids](https://mobile.nytimes.com//well/2015/08/10/not-vaccinating-children-is-the-greater-risk/?referer=) ",
"Vaccination of children should not be optional in the First World. Make all the checks to make sure that the child can have them and jab away. Take the responsibility for herd protection away from the parents and prosecute severely any parents who avoids vaccination. Easy.",
"Putting your child in danger does not a good parent make. Namecalling also proves you are a bad example for the child. You have no basis to judge my parenting skills (or lack thereof) but you've given us plenty to judge you. I hope the rest of the day is as pleasant as you have been. ",
"Seems like a good compromise.",
"I don’t think there’s a direct correlation between anti-vax and alt-right. Anti-vaxxers tend to believe in conspiracy theories. I’ve heard of extreme left anti-vaxxers, and I’ve actually met one who seemed fairly center, politically. ",
"I’m not denying that access to care is a major issue in the US, but it’s not fair to directly compare those numbers like that since we calculate infant mortality differently from most other countries. Everyone uses slightly different rules to come up with their numbers, but ours are particularly broad which artificially inflates them when compared to others at face value.",
"But you probably are. ",
"So does that mean the accent Iis the biggest difficulty in understanding Swedish for someone who speaks Danish or Norweigien? Or is it other factors, or just the fact that you can take your time when reading something?\n\nBasically, I'm wondering if it's kind of like an American talking to someone with a really thick Scottish accent, where in theory they could recognize a lot of words if it were written down except the accent's so.strong they can still sometimes barely understand what they're saying.",
"Well identified. That is coincidental.",
"Titer tests are quite the gamble when the cost is relatively close to that of revaccination. General rule is to just vaccinate if there's a question for need.",
"It's interesting to see how most redditors look at this so two dimensionally. As if the only way to prevent disease is with vaccinations.\n\nHave you all forgotten \"correlation does not imply causation\"?\n\nYes, many diseases dropped off significantly around the time vaccinations came about.\n\nBut do you know what other major influences there were on that?\n\nSanitation. Refrigeration. Education.\n\nIndoor plumbing alone attributes to the decline of most diseases more than any other single thing. \n\nMost rural homes in the USA didn't have indoor plumbing until well after these poor souls passed on.",
"There was a similar custom in Sweden as well. ",
"I know a NURSE that's antivax. I got in one facebook rant with her - she's in Florida. She wears a mask, but I'm still ticked off at her for spreading anti-vaxx stuff. She should not be allowed in an ER.",
"One of the most famous paintings in Puerto Rico is a child's funeral.\n\nThey used to have these parties during the funeral because they believed that if the mother cried the kid's soul would not reach heaven.\n\n",
"Vaccines save lives, yes or no?",
"What does that have to do with childhood immunizations vaccines. There's a reason they don't give the anthrax vaccine to the general public, and reason they do give others.",
"I just spent two hours reading about a bit of American history that I had never heard of before. Thank you. ",
"I don't know what you're trying to argue here, from the start I conceded that there is a small exception to the rule that vaccinating is the only good choice. Are you saying anti-vaccers personal opinions are more important than their children's lives and health? Help me out here, you just seem to keep restating that I'm wrong for saying anti-vaccers are wrong. ",
"Hi",
"I tell people who give me shit about having gotten flu shots for 18 years straight that I dont get the shots for me. I do it for children like my 5 yo nephew who is immuno-compromised with mast-cell actviation syndrome (he is allergic to almost every medicine) and cant be vaccinated. I do it for my 94 yo grandmother who had friends die of the flu in the mid 1930s as well as get excellent viruses like polio that are life changing, but in the absolute most hellish way. \n\nPlease please get your immunizations and keep them up to date. ",
"Herd immunity gives antivaxxers the luxury of being ignorant.",
"Being told you’re wrong or don’t have correct information shouldn’t be insulting.",
"i really don't mind getting into these long winded arguments on reddit\n\nwhat i mind is when someone isn't pay enough fucking attention to remember a fucking point only a few comments before, because it means the person you're arguing with is dishonest\n\n/r/pics/comments/7s4upg/this_is_what_happened_when_vaccination_wasnt_an/dt2ep4c/\n\ni will stop responding to you now because you are showing you are not intellectually honest, by repeating points already disproven\n\notherwise, it's not right to make fun of people with alzheimer's\n\n/end thread",
"I'd do the same, its not a dick move.",
"https://www.stoltze-saltoft.dk/getperson.php?personID=I501558&tree=1\n \nThis page says that they were poisoned by a \"steamed serum\".\n\nProbably a vaccination serum.\nIf not for vaccinations they might still be alive today.",
"It is hate. I'm hating right now. I'm only hating because the opinions you're failing to defend can lead to public health crisis, death, pestilence.\n\nWhen your opinions might end up killing others, and in some case many many others, you aren't entitled to them in my eyes.\n\nWho am I to judge? I'm the man walking next to these people in a crowd, I'm their neighbor, I'm their friend, I'm their sister's newborn baby. I'm the human population that could be killed or crippled because some person has an *opinion* that lead them to not vaccinate themselves or their children. That's who I am.\n\nIt's a public health issue, and everyone who can be vaccinated without any scientifically proven health risk should do so. There is no opinion on that in my eyes, that's something you do for yourself and everyone around you to ensure that no one dies of easily-preventable disease. If you don't do it, you're a goddamn monster who doesn't give a shit about your fellow human. Willfully choosing not to vaccinate when you could without risk is a cousin of biological terrorism, germ warfare.. attempted murder. That is why I am hating.\n\nI'd love to hear a good reason I might have overlooked though, a good reason or opinion behind not vaccinating. I'm willing to admit fault on this, I just doubt there is any.",
"I read vaccination as vacation and have never been more confused. ",
"Interestingly enough, it is actually caused by a very real form of [cognitive bias](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omission_bias?wprov=sfla1) that makes most of our brains more scared of causing a harm by action than of causing harm by inaction. It's also what causes the bystander effect when something terrible happens, and is why you should tell someone specific to call 911 after something happens rather than telling \"someone\" to call. If you don't make it specific to a person, chances are everyone will stand there hoping someone else will take action. It's a very understandable bias, but one that's absolutely necessary to overcome.",
"My sister home-schools my nephew so she won't have to vaccinate him. They will become furious if you oppose their beliefs in any way. They take it as an emotional attack instead of an intellectual conversation. So sad. ",
"What about the studies that show risks? ",
"My research is peer reviewed papers and proposals funded by governmental research organizations. \n\nYou're a coward because you would shoot someone who doesn't take their medicine. That person is a fucking moron. Flag them, make it hard for them to receive public assistance if they don't do it. But don't write that goddamn poisonous precedent into law.",
"Most huskies in the US are descended from the dogs from that sled team.",
"Next-level Correlation-Not-Causality in that title, ffs.",
"US - midwest, Middle-class, college educated, married women. Not sure where they were located at the time (rural or urban) and not SIDs -related. ",
"I'm putting it VERY simplistic, but: do it together, start at couples therapy. When he co-operaties he'll crack and that's when you focus the help on him instead of the two of you.\nThis is assuming there's still enough mutual respect in the relationship that he'll respect your wishes enough to give the couples therapy a chance.",
"Read those! \n\nAs few as there are compared to hundreds upon hundreds of pieces of laboratory and empirical evidence",
"As an autistic disorder, it does exist on a spectrum. It’s entirely possible, and if you’re curious I’d recommend getting tested. ",
"> because you need to drive to live\n\nNo, you don't. Fallacy, argument already invalid.\n\n",
"I'm glad to live in a time and place where the saying has evolved to: \"No parent should outlive their child\".",
"No worries, I honestly don't know all the details but my PCP said it, and I know two things. \n\n1) I got the TDAP in the last 5 years\n\n\n2) I presently hate my life due to having Pertussis or w/e",
"More or less, but more [Scots](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scots_language) as compared to English.",
"I wish I could upvote twice. ",
"Some kids may be late bloomers too. My youngest was like that. Late to speaking, never interested in sign language. She's now coming up on 6, and hasn't been diagnosed, and she's gotten better on various things. She potty trained waaaaay late, and her interactions with other kids is occasionally... off, but she speaks fine now (better than her older sister who's coming up on 8).\n\nAnyways, the point is, there can still be some hope at this point in development. The pediatricians should be able to stay on top of it, and let his parents know what to expect.",
"> pertussis\n\nOh man, get well soon. My hubbie had that last year and he was vaccinated in 2015, probably before they fixed the problem.",
"Okay, first, your math was incorrect. 390B is over 1000 x 300M. That's an average of 1000$ each. Again, people are nicer than you think.\n\nI'd give more to charity if I wasn't taxed as much. I already happily give 10$ every time I buy a video game, and just like I give what I can, you do too. Nobody is forcing you to. I appreciate that, but you say all of these nice things you do then claim barely anyone else does. You do good things, but so do other people, you self-rightous doodoo butt. \n\nNow, I'd just like to throw out how much the government that would allow these services sucks at spending money. They spent over 1 trillion dollars on a fighter jet that can't keep up with modern equipment, and they just had a few trillion disappear without a trace. I'd rather just donate the money directly to the charity than to the incredibly ineffecient government. Can't remember the sources off the top of my head, but I'm sure you could google anything on the subject of how inept the government is at spending our tax money and get results. (Feel free to correct me on some of these. I may be off on the numbers, just a bit)\n\nNow, I'll address the choosing between food and staying alive. I'll just throw it out there. The other parent will pay for the kids too. Their kid, their responsibility, but then again, there are CHARITIES for that. Ever heard of a soup kitchen? Lots of those nice people I've been talking about there. \n\nOn to society needing to care for everyone in it. This is where I believe our greatest disconnect is. We seem to disagree here fundamentally. I think that individuals can put themselves in better places by making good choices, and if the rest of society wants to, on an individual level, help, it can. As I believe I demonstrated, people other than you can be good people. \n\nNow, I'll backtrack to the universal healthcare. Some people don't pollute. Some people use electric cars, solar panels, and recycled products. I personally think scientists are right when they say Earth is doomed. We've already polluted too much, and we need to try to postpone the inevitable. Most people agree on that, and will actually try to reduce their carbon footprint. People are already doing their part. Maybe instead of taxing us to pay for healthcare, we try to convince companies (backed by the government, mind you) quit murdering our planet. Heck, now that I think about it, the government has bailed horrible companies out of tight situations before. \n\nHealthcare cont. Doctors used to not be paid... I don't think we should just shaft our doctors. I like the idea that they get paid a lot for literally saving lives. Please for the love of all that is holy, tell me you are okay with them getying paid for saving lives! \n\n",
"Thanks!",
"Look at Mary Todd Lincoln. People acted like she was some nutter that Lincoln got stuck with. She lost 2 kids 3 and 11 then her husband was shot in the head next to her, then she lost another kid. 3/4 of her children died of disease. ",
"Had a patient with diphteria as recently as last year. Died in intensive care with lung failure (ARDS). His daughter was a teacher and one of her students wasn't vaccinated and had had Diphteria shortly before going on an excursion...\n\nVaccinations not only protect you but also **everybody around you.**",
"yes you do. you can't work, you can't socialize, you need to drive\n\nthe argument isn't invalid, you're simply embarrassing yourself\n",
"My dad worked with a woman who had AIDS and cancer. She died.",
"[Scandinavian language lesson](https://satwcomic.com/language-lesson)",
"I have a copy of the family tree for my father's side: if you go back a century or so you will see that several couples had 10 or 12 children, but often the same name will be repeated 2 or 3 times, and often different names repeat in one family. As you may guess, this is because the original name holders died in early childhood. Sometimes less than half made it to adulthood. The parents were mostly poor miners or steel foundry workers in a South Wales valley.",
"You had to talk to the CDC when your kid had whooping cough??? Two years ago I had it and the doctor just let me go home with a prescription for z pack and a note for school. ",
"That was a terrifying wiki read.",
"Tdap hurts like a horse kick though. I recently had mine updated at 9 years after nicking my palm with some beautifully rusty gardening shears. The pharmacist made sure to tell me how sore my arm was going to be and how miserable it was for her to get the shot each time she was pregnant. I laughed it off, but she was right - that shot is downright painful.",
"No vaccinations should not be mandatory. I got one of my vaccines when I was 5, and developed asthma as a direct result. I was hospitalized immediately the same day, just hours later and couldn't breathe. The doctors assumed I would die that night but somehow I pulled through. The doctors agreed it was due to the vaccine. \nI'm all for vaccines that work, but there's no 100% guarantee that they will, thus mandatory vaccines are a very bad idea. ",
"I got confused because the number 9 appeared twice in your comment, looked for the pun but couldn't find it. Shout out to anyone else who did the same :)",
"Chick in the top right is hot ",
"Thanks the sleep deprivation is the worst part. I cough all night, then have to wake up in 2 hours for work. ",
"Just a crrraaaazy coincidence!",
"Not sure: Evidence suggests that the chinese, with their forced one child per policy, have reacted far more extremely to the deaths of children than Americans tend to, with their larger by compareson families. But that could be other cultural differences too.\n\nSource: I have a Chinese spouse who was shocked and appalled by the number of acquaintances I had in high-school that died. 4 from drunk driving (all in the same car), one from sleepwalking into a street, two when their dad got fired from a job at the bank, murdered his family, and committed suicide, several in the Iraq war when they joined up after graduating, one by the cops in college right after... The war in Iraq was the big one.\n\nI also had several acquaintances injured by a particularly crappy intersection near my high school, one acquaintance nearly lost a twin to butt-chugging. Another acquaintance had a heart attack at age 19 from stolen prescription drugs.... None of these people were friends, but they were people I smiled at and said \"Hello\" to every morning for a significant portion of my life.\n\nAnyway, my spouse was utterly shocked, when I first talked about all this with them.",
"Not telling people doesn't make it any less difficult. Honestly, telling people makes it easier because you then have a support system. ",
"What? The main reformer of Christianity didn't have much to do with his own religious sect? You do know that he based all his ideas on Bible verses, right?",
"I don't think people realize how cold -40 really is. I live in Fairbanks Alaska and have seen -40. It's fucking cold, even with today's gear. I can't imagine that with 65 mph winds. That dude and his team had a super high chance of freezing to death. That's one tough motherfucker",
"I read this as vacation and not vaccination, and was trying to work out how not going on holiday causes 4 days of death",
"Wow. I thought *my* week was rough.\n",
"Actually he concluded it *might have a link between autism and Crohn's and the MMR vaccine. Which was enough to cause considerable harm to people.\n\nWhen several studies came out that refuted that evidence, one of the co-authors claimed the figures published in the study were deliberately altered before publication and the original data cited in the study is now inaccessible, which is illegal. Maybe that's why...\n\nOr maybe it's because of the several things listed by the UK General Medical Council for example being paid by bias parents to do the research, took test results without the approval of the ethics committee, failed to disclose how study participants were chosen, bought blood samples from his kids for $5 friends at a birthday party and showed no concern about patients well being... Among other things.\n\nThe very public record of immoral and illegal behaviour is why his licence was revoked. That is what happened.",
"That's very powerful. Saved. ",
"This is really the only argument you need for the \"the world is getting worse\" crowd. \n\nIt's not. If you had a child in 1800, you had a 46% chance of losing that child before they turned 5. If you have a child today, that chance has dropped to just 4.25%. \n\nIn the United States, if you had a child in 1934, you had an 8.41% chance of losing that child before they turned 5. Today, that's just 0.65%. \n\nIf that's not the world getting better, I don't know what the fuck is. \n",
"Next time she posts something anti-vaxx just respond with this pic.",
"care to comment u/pump_the_brakes_son ?",
"This image is exactly the sort of thing you should post under those circumstances - it's not disrespectful, but it makes it clear how bad things can get.",
"Well played.",
"my great great great great grandmother had 19 siblings. thanks ancestrydna ",
"The sign says; \"In memory of the teacher L.H. Larsen and wife, who lost five children to diftery in 1903. Vester Church\"\n\nFurther research told me that the whole family got poisoned by drinking something stale. So not completely random, but still something vaccines would help against. ",
"My brother and I had mumps as children. As far as diseases go, it's mostly harmless. Complications happen only occasionally and are worse in adults (as is typical I think of many \"childhood diseases). Rubella is also harmless.... unless you happen to be pregnant and exposed to the virus in which case you're basically guaranteed to lose the baby. I think a lot of this is vaccinating for the sake of society vs \"vaccinate so you don't die\". At least in the case of MMR. Because honestly, \"Complications\" can happen from anything, it's luck of the draw. I just read last week about a 5 yr old who died of strep throat after the antibiotics didn't help clear it up, and the kid got sepsis. It doesn't usually happen, but for the 1% unlucky ones... it's pretty shitty. Not that we vaccinate for strep but you know what I mean. ",
"NO, a mindless drone vaccinates their kids... 🙄",
"*Jesus bliver hos mig* indeed.",
"Indeed.\n\nWe were a family of 10. I have seen the suffering of my mother when my brothers died. \n\nSome people doesn't know how important vaccines are and the opportunity of life their kids receive with every vaccination.",
"Don't know. My wife would have died at 38 without complex surgery, my father at 60 without coronary units, one of my cousins at 20 without chemo for lymphoma, my father in law could have died without surgery for a perineal abscess at 62, my mother in law would have died at 40 or so without insulin. \n\nEdit: one uncle would have died at 40 or so due to a feocromocitoma \n\nEdit 2: almost forgot my mother. She'd have died at 27 due to abruptio placentae with my sister",
"For your one chance at life, 4 years is too short. ",
"I can’t tell if you’re being serious are not. ",
"i'll be happy to hold the gun to the head of any moron to make them vaccinate if they choose not too\n\nnot because i'm a statist authoritarian fascist blah blah blah... zzz...\n\nbut because the ignorance of not vaccinating threatens my life and the lives of my loved ones\n\nnow continue bloviating your ignorance about chemtrails and fluouridation and all that hysterical weak minded ignorance\n\nsubject changes for fear addled idiots\n\nthis is the topic:\n\nunvaccinated morons are a threat to my life\n\nnot goose stepping nazis from a bad movie that fear addled morons can't tell the difference from reality about\n\nand *i will protect my life and the lives of my family from ignorant morons*. capisce?\n\nignorance is the real threat to freedom\n",
"Maybe you need to choose your words better then. Instead of them being shitty parents, the circumstances aren't right to let them be the good parents they would be.",
"it has to do with vaccines in general. anthrax vaccine was tested and licensed by usda in 1970 and yet decades later it was being given to soldiers and was causing horrible side effects ",
"You didnt watch the video on harlequin ichthyosis that was on the front page a week ago.",
"> 975 settlers of European descent.\n\n-\n\n>\"There are about 3000 (sic) white natives in the district\"\n\nI love that the doctor over-reported the number of white people by ~200%, just to get the attention of Washington DC.",
"And that's why I just asked what point you're trying to make, which you still haven't told me.",
"She’s really hot though. I once watched this terrible terrible movie just because she was in it and I wanted to look at her breasts. I don’t think it’s going overboard to say this qualifies her as an authority on medicine. ",
"Why do you care? If you and everyone with half a brain is vaccinated and protected it would only affect the unvaccinated.",
"IIRC there is precedent for criminally prosecuting HIV/AIDS patients who willfully disregard preventative measures when interacting with other people. \n \nAgain, nowadays it's easy to forget how horrific these diseases were, but there's a reason we developed vaccines for them in the first place.",
"Https://ecf.cofc.uscourts.gov/cgi-bin/show_public_doc?2013vv0611-73-0\n\nThoughts? ",
"Im also autistic, I was chatting with my pharmacist while getting my flu and meningitis shots (go figure, 8 breakouts in my area because people won’t vax their kids) when I said “I try and get every vaccine available, because even if it did cause autism, I already have that, so no biggy.\n",
"Yeah that was the same issue my hubby had. That and throwing up because of coughing. Rest up if you can!",
"Thanks, he ever find a way to lay down at night with out the coughing fits? ",
"My great grandfather was the only surviving sibling all of his other brothers and sisters (6) all had died in childhood, it was around the late 1800's when lots of nasty communicable diseases were wide spread in the U.S.",
"But hey, let's just not vaccinate ourselves because some children somewhere who had vaccines also had autism!",
"Thats like loading an earlier save.",
"Babies can't even have honey until they're a year old.. why would newborns take a Hep. B vaccine (which mostly affects adults), a Polio vaccine (which was mostly contained before the vaccine), a Varicella vaccine (5% success rate), and too many others to mention? I'm supposed to believe that the Varicella vaccine is preventing some kind of chicken pox epidemic when 95% of us end up getting it regardless? Tell me some more about my dumb arguments!",
"You trying to say that everyone should be silent if it's a bit touchy subject?",
"Amish people get along just fine.\n\n> the argument isn't invalid, you're simply embarrassing yourself\n\nIt really is, and I'm really not. You're ideologically inconsistent.\n\n&nbsp;\n\nLet's play with a hypothetical for a second... tell me something you would *never* do. Something you are ideologically opposed to, fundamentally. You'll never consider it, no matter the consequences. Do you have any such principles? (preferably something that doesn't effect anyone else *directly*, like rape or murder. for example: going to church every sunday and worshiping some God you don't believe in) ",
"No seriously. It is a fact that the flu vaccine cannot give you the flu. The virus in the vaccine is dead. It cannot reproduce or infect you in any way. All that happens is that the corpses of the dead virus cause your body create more antibodies for that virus. It really was a coincidence.",
"Google is useful even to doctors. Of course it’s a bad thing when uneducated people use google to insist they have something when it’s obvious to the doctor they don’t but there are a lot of situations that where someone could’ve been helped but a doctor wouldn’t look at outside information because of the whole stigma about “lul google doctor”. The whole thing becomes a whole lot worse when you factor in the god complex that is so common in medicine. ",
"Tragic story. For sure.\n\nA similar story to what would happen to the tens of millions of kids infected by polio, diphtheria, measles, etc... \n\n",
"Why not be voluntarily taxed if you are ok voluntarily donating? Seems fairly hypocritical at the very least. And again, you dismiss the fact that bill gates donates billions to charity alone. Again, people donate maybe 5 bucks a year. \n\nAs for other parent paying, say that to my father who bounced and didnt have a job on the books to be found. My mother didnt get a dime from him. That seems to be a huge assumption youre making and it seems based solely on ignorance or one rigid situation. Unfortunately, many single moms dont get help from the other parent. Itd be nice though.\n\nAnd you can disagree all you want. Civilization advanced the way it did because people and communities helped each other. Its hiw its been for 50000 years man. You can argue against it and the value of it all you want, but as we know from the very first civilization, you are flat out wrong. Society functions better when folks care about each other as much as themselves. Studies have been done on it. You are speaking from an emotionally opinionated stance.\n\nAnd so you are ok with taxing companies on their money to make society and earth better but not taxing the people that live here as well? That is hypocritical. Almost the definition of it. \n\nAnd doctors in america make so much more than doctors around the world. The healthcare system we have has doctors being incredibly overpaid. Why should a private practice dr get 3000 from insurance for taking my temp and prescribing me penicillin? Very few doctors are actually saving lives. Most doctors are helping people live comfortably by taking care of simple issues from colds to flu to broken bones. The percentage of life saving surgeons is lretty low. ",
">Thank science for vaccination.\n\nFTFY",
"Also poor health practices",
"yes I'm serious, look it up, even celebs like jim carrey speak out about the dangers of vaccines... they are not what they tell you!!",
"ಠ_ಠ",
"I'm feeding my baby right now and I'm hugging her extra hard. I can't even contemplate how that must feel.",
"What was Jesus’ will when he killed these 5 children?",
"Some people can't be vaccinated. They depend on other people being vaccinated.",
"Depression is a very tricky thing to tackle, and having been through it myself for over a decade without actually realizing I was extremely depressed, it's hard to admit it but the only thing that really can solve depression is the individual taking the action for themselves. People told me I was depressed, but I didn't listen. It wasn't until something in my head clicked and I realize that I was depressed and I need to do something about it that I finally did. The best thing your husband could do is step into a therapist's office. The important part about a therapist is that they can help you recognize your depression from an outside perspective and give you objective unbiased perspective that you wouldn't have otherwise. But, as with any mental illness, the individual who carries that must be ready for that help. Not everyone will open themselves up to it, but if I'm being completely blunt, so something you can only make your problem to a certain degree. You can be loving, supportive, and you can worry about them, but if they won't help themselves, you can't force them to help themselves. I'm so glad that I had my realization, and I hope that your husband has his.\n\nBest of luck, comrade.",
"Balto was a hero. Just because what Togo did was superhuman doesn't invalidate Balto, who was also impressive and necessary.\n\nMore than one hero may exist in this world.",
"not even a week, 4 days!",
"sounds like this doggo just liked to run. ",
"> Amish people get along just fine.\n\nthe amish are parasites\n\nthere is no harm when a few people don't vaccinate if everyone else is vaccinating\n\nso you're defining a parasite: irresponsible behavior that works only because everyone else is responsible\n\nif everyone acted like the freeloading parasite, no vaccination, then diseases would be raging and kids would be dying constantly\n\nso you're not advocating for freedom\n\nyour words are advocating for being an irresponsible freeloader on everyone else, a subset of parasitical behavior on top of other people's behavior, rather than a valid philosophy in and of itself\n\nnot vaccinating doesn't automatically kill because enough people vaccinate\n\nwhen enough people don't vaccinate, a regular death cull of tens to hundreds of thousands a year is a certainty\n\nif the amish continue not vaccinating and an epidemic rages where the reservoir for the disease is the amish community, the amish need to be forced to vaccinate at gun point\n\nbecause i'm a goose stepping nazi?\n\nno, **because they are fucking threatening our lives with their ignorance**, genius\n\n",
"A while ago, a relative brought a quite comprehensive tree of my father's side's family to a family gathering. One of my n-removed x-great-aunt and -uncle (distant relatives, but had the same last name as us) had four sons, all between the ages of 18 and 25 or so, which is pretty close to my own age as well. All four of them fell in world war two. No saving Private Ryan for this family :(",
"Due to timing this was likely a terrible flu...OP title is deceiving.",
"Yuck. You fucking burden.",
"Yes I agree, it really is just a crazy coincidence that I have never gotten the flu ever since I stopped getting yearly flu shots.\n\n\nNothing to see here. Just a random coincidence that has nothing to do with anything.\n\n\nMy family continues to get their flu shots every year, and they catch the flu every year.\n\n\n\nAlso just a crazy coincidence.",
"At the bottom I’m danish it says ‘Jesus stays with me’ ;(",
"Ugh",
"The death of kids might have been a lot more common, and people may have even expected to lose many of their kids before they reached adulthood, but I don't think it made it any easier back then. You're still talking about mothers losing their babies, father's losing their babies. Even for someone like me who has no interest in having kids, I know that I would be completely heartbroken if I lost a child. There's a lot of time, effort, and hope laid into your children. I mean not only do to end or 9 months of pregnancy but everything leading up to their adulthood is quite easily the largest investment of your time and energy a person can make.",
"What is love? Baby. *Don't hurt me.*",
"Fine then, parting shots it is. I'll have one too.\n\nPeople like you are the fertile soil in which fascism and totalitarianism grow.\n\nYour argument is shallow and short sighted, you chose to bolster it with a satire website and then when you finally found a source that supported your point, you embellished its depth. (Your source listed 105 children who died from influenza but 25% of them had been vaccinated and you somehow claimed that this was \"hundreds\" of examples)\n\nYou accuse me of intellectual dishonesty while you shamelessly tried to Godwin the thread. (I never once mentioned Nazis or Communists, but you did)\n\nDiphtheria deaths dropped precipitously because people will voluntarily accept vaccination when it's obvious that they're beneficial. Sending men with guns was never and is not currently necessary.",
"Likely true, Donald probably got loads of shots when he was little, and look at him now, tremendous amounts of autism! Can't in any possible way be false! Nuh uh!",
"Which is why herd immunity is VERY important to protect those who it does not work on. If you do not ensure herd immunity, your children will become potential bacteria bombs for other children who has no effect for certain parts of a vaccine, and will eventually end up being part of killing others indirectly.\n\nThere is no evidence whatsoever that any vaccine currently used or recommended has any kind of lethal or severely damaging side effects. These are results that have been thoroughly research before and after implementation. If you immediately developed asthma, I would like to see a paper linking that with asthma. Otherwise I could just say I was vaccinated as a child and immediately everyone around me got very healthy and I became cured of a meningitis.\n\nAll data suggests there is absolutely no connection between asthma and vaccines. Asthma however is linked with substitute products for breast milk, smoking and lack of exposure to dust/bacteria in early childhood.\n\nSo either your doctors were wrong or a paper studying 200.000 children was wrong. I would say your doctors were more likely to be wrong.",
"This guy might have a point. I bet he was vaccinated and he's stupid as all fuck. ",
"My autistic cousin has turned my fun and loving uncle and aunt in to miserable care givers. Fuck autists.",
"I would seriously consider losing my medical license just to punch him incredibly hard in the jaw at a conference.",
"unread",
"But, on the bright side, the other kids survived:\n\nJohan who was 17\n\nAage, who was 12\n\nLaurits, who was 8\n\nRigmor who was two weeks old\n\n\nand they also had a further sux children afterwards.\n",
"I promise you as a mother, that having more kids would not have made a difference at all. \n\nIt would still be the worst pain imaginable over, and over and over....",
"I had whooping cough in October and I'm STILL coughing. I wish I had known that I needed a booster shot. Now I know.",
"turn that frown upside down...",
"Where exactly this is make you look at dogs differently? I mean, don't get me wrong, I love myself some togs, but I'm pretty sure just about any creature on earth would dig up and eat dead stuff to survive.",
"The baby never died if it was resuscitated. \n\nWebster definition of death : a : a *permanent* cessation of all vital (see vital 2a) functions : the end of life \n\nI don’t understand why people use this to describe overdoses or other phenomena where they were unconscious or their heart stopped and were resuscitated. It makes for a more dramatic story I guess but it doesn’t make any sense. Dead = stopped heart. ",
"People like you are why we're going to see Polio come back. Do us all a favor and don't have kids and don't let your kids have kids.",
"Maybe, but then you get well-wishers asking about your pregnancy and you have to explain what happened. So many times.",
"huh? they would die of SIDS? how? 10s of millions ? i hope youre just being hyperbolic otherwise your laughably ignorant. \n\nso a court finds that vaccines caused this otherwise healthy infant to die and you still dont think there are risks? \n\nits not alarming to you that the \"National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program\" is even a thing. the mere existence of such a program shows there are risks in vaccines. ",
":( Can you at least sleep at night, or still coughing fits? ",
"Also, the stupid might rub off on you. Sounds like a joke but this is a real thing that happens. A good way to describe I’ve heard is that”you are the average of the 5 people you spend the most time around”. ",
"My grandmother had four consecutive miscarriages before my father was born in 1960. Not exactly the same but still damn brutal. ",
"How does anyone who is even remotely scientifically literate support this idiot?",
"Why? It's literally 20th century gatekeeping.\n\n*\"Yeah, you had five kids, but are any of them dead? Talk to me again when you've REALLY had some children!\"*",
"Tell if you did a real great job of freaking me the fuck out within the first few minutes. No fucking mercy oh my god",
"Jesus bliver hos mig is right holy shit.",
"I’m sure that’ll convince them. When people have ideas like this evidence to the contrary does the opposite of what you would expect it to - it makes them more entrenched in their beliefs. ",
"Good lord it turned them all Danish. A horrible affliction. ",
"All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy.",
"wow. I read this as a result for when vaccines were mandatory. I was like...why would mandatory vaccines kill people? I'm an idiot.",
"I was partly joking. I'm aware that dogs and cats have been known to eat their dead owners, but it's still unsettling to think about. ",
"> Jesus is actually pretty awesome.\n\nPlease cite your sources. He would need some pretty great attributes to get past the \"eternal damnation for all non-believers\" thing.",
"> the Amish are parasites\n\nwowwwww. okay then.\n\n> so you're not advocating for freedom\n\nstop saying this. I am advocating for *a* specific freedom, yes. No matter how many times you try to redefine freedom, you will be wrong.\n\n> your words are advocating for being an irresponsible freeloader on everyone else\n\nstop saying this too, you are incorrect. I am not advocating for not getting vaccinated. I am advocating for not forcing people to get vaccinated. Big difference.\n\n> when enough people don't vaccinate, a regular death cull of tens to hundreds of thousands a year is a certainty is indeed what happens\n\nYou don't need to keep saying this either, I understand. I got it the first time. I know what we are talking about, and the implications and consequences\n\n> if the amish continue not vaccinating and the an epidemic rages where the reservoir for the disease is amish community, the amish need to be forced to vaccinate at gun point\n\nI was talking about Amish not *driving*, but okay. Yes you would be a goose stepping Nazi. It would be perfectly reasonable to *quarantine* the Amish, and not let them interact with the greater society, but not to hold them down and forcibly inject them at gunpoint. You are an insane, authoritarian, and would be a despotic dictator if you were in charge. Thank god you're not.",
"And you're showing a hell of a lot of it.",
"I'm so glad they added a description in the site header. Link preview doesn't ruin the surprise :)",
"The government should absolutely be able to prevent you from exposing your child (and other people's children) to danger. You don't get to beat your kid either. Or even drive without them in a car seat. Is that tyrannical? Just think of how easily it could be abused /s! I say protect the lives of the children before the priveleges of the parents. \n\nTo equate protecting infants from criminally negligent parents with tyranny is to grossly misrepresent the situation. This isn't about libertarian ideals or the deep state. It is about the lives of helpless babies. The rest of us have a responsibility to them.",
"You’re missing my point completely.\n\nDiseases killed 10s of millions of people, primarily children.\n\nThese vaccinations prevented those deaths.\n\nHow many deaths have the courts found caused by vaccines?\n\nI don’t believe it’s even .0001% of the number of lives saved.\n\nAlso, they present you with the risk information when you receive vaccines at the doctor’s office, as required ",
"Oh, Jesus fucking Christ.",
"It wouldn't be terrible crowded. It isn't now, people just tend to populate in urban areas close together. \n\nWe could all fit on an area a little bigger than Texas allowing every family to have a house and a small backyard. The problem isn't population alone, it's how awkwardly we are spread out and congregated in high densities in certain areas. ",
"American here; that is shocking.",
"Not really. That was how things were when grandpa (the husband) lived at home and there was no contraception, other than grandpa sleeping in separate quarters and/or cold showers.. Both my grandfathers were migrant workers, so they could spend a few months/years away from home at a time. My paternal grandmother gave birth to 9 children, between 1922 and 1948. My maternal grandmother gave birth to 8 between 1940 and 1956. All became adults.",
"You may enjoy /r/flipping as well",
"They probably saw it as part of life, just like losing a parent.",
"I misread it as vacation...",
"I just thought you were a batshit crazy antivaxxer.",
"> We don’t have laws saying: Unprotected sex is forbidden.\n\nHaving unprotected sex doesn't put *other people* in danger.\n\nGovernment exists primarily to protect the safety and health of citizens.\n\nGet vaccinated or stay away from other citizens is a perfectly valid law. Sorry for your freedumz.",
"It's a combination of: Not seeing the reality and destruction of these diseases, the \"all-natural movement\", disregard of facts for feels, and an \"I know better than some specialist\" mindset. ",
"Did you look at the first link? In the first paragraph the author links directly to the study they're referencing: http://www.cmsri.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/MawsonStudyHealthOutcomes5.8.2017.pdf\n\nTo go to the source of any of these articles, it's really simple. Just look for the link to the study and you can assess it yourself. That is a complete study, not just a graph. The graph just shows you their results. This isn't your first time, is it?",
"This is a great strategy. I think he will go to couples therapy but it may take me enlisting his BF over a pint. ",
"The flu shot does not increase the risk of H3N2. The flu shot simply protects you from the strains that it contains for that given year. The flu shot does not cause the flu. It either contains inactivated flu proteins (dead virus) or recombinant strains (genetically modified, contains no virus). The more people get vaccinated, the less these virus have a chance to mutate and the more strains we can 'eliminate'. ",
"Plagues can occur in animals these are called epizootics. The endangered saiga antelope had a disease outbreak a few years ago killing off a high percentage of their population.",
"ProLife™",
"Quite frankly if I had a friend that was an anti vaxxer I would tell them that I would never let my children anywhere near them, let alone the rest of my family including myself simply because they are so unbelievably stupid and I don't need them spreading some disease that we wiped out 85 years ago to my kids somehow, just because they're too fucking dumb to understand how bad shit was before we had vaccinations. I don't care if it's so far out of our own histories, I will not associate with people who are dumb enough to bring polio back into existence.",
"They would also not name the children for years. In 1800's Western Europe it was not rare for children to spend the first 1-2 years with a wet nurse. (the population that could afford it.)",
"They would also not name the children for years. In 1800's Western Europe it was not rare for children to spend the first 1-2 years with a wet nurse. (the population that could afford it.)",
"You don't have to vaccinate all of your children, only the ones you intend to keep.",
"Yep. My mom was born in 1948 and she still has the smallpox vaccine scar on her arm. Her 7 siblings were born between 1940 and 1956. All became adults. They may have not received the full set of vaccines (most likely they got whatever was available), but they had **some** access to \"modern\" medicine and hygiene. You can see the difference right there. ",
"I remember that tweet because that was the moment I started to despise him. I'm not even American. I'm sorry you have to have that for a president.",
"It's a self esteem issue. \n\nI'm mortified to initiate. I have a lot of problems but I feel that there are a lot of women like me. More so than men and I think society is partly to blame. It's accepted that men will strike out when trying for sex. It's joked about. But because women never want sex ever and men always do, if a woman actually gets denied, there must be something wrong with her. \n\nBut I do live in a place it's still common to find the barefoot kitchen believers in men. ",
">average lifespan\n\nfacepalm.jpg",
"Do take a look at /r/hfy",
"But Jack must of gotten a vacation, because his name is not listed!!",
"Naw, it seemed pretty normal to me. There were more that died, both in highschool and shortly after, than that. Those were just the ones that, you know, I actually paid attention to.\n\nIn high-school a lot of your classmates just aren't going to make it much past high-school. Even among the ones that do, a lot of them are going to get badly injured.\n\nOn average, 66% of americans will be in a car accident due to drunk driving, and it kills a lot of highschool students.\n\nIt's not like I lived in Chicago, where most of the deaths would have been gangland shootings. That's another major source of death for kids. Very little gang activity where I live.\n\nBut psychotic parents are a major cause of death among kids too.",
"When **antibiotics** weren't an option.",
"I think one of the reasons the anti-vaccine movement is so strong, is there's no one left that remembers what it was like when horrific, untreatable diseases would rip through an area and kill 1/2 the people there, outside the third world anyway. \n\nSome of these people need to go spend a few weeks in rural Africa and talk to all those women who lost half their family, or 5 of their 7 children to cholera or tuberculosis. They'll change their mind on vaccines pretty fucking fast!",
"Are you really talking about Jesus or the concept of religion, because how are you gonna talk about someone who doesn’t exist? It’s not Jesus who directly teaches you good morals after all.",
"You want an r/the_dumbfuck supporter to actually think critically when faced with actual facts? You sweet summer child...",
"No thanks. ",
"My grandmother lost 8 with my mother the only survivor. Yellow fever, cholera, diptheria were constant killers ",
"Good job discussing the topic at hand and not getting emotional, blasphemous or attacking me personally. \n\n-Brings a study (first of it's kind) that shows what you don't like\n\n-Melts down into inane ramblings wishing actual suffering\n\nGood job buddy.\n\n",
"Please post links of some recent and thorough studies of infantile vaccination and development disorders",
"ain't nobody got time fo dat",
"Yeah, if thats a real \"trend\" and not just a joke then thats fucking gross. ",
"I'm not a real parent but I do have step children and I would die a thousand deaths ",
"Hey at least they weren’t autistic though, right? ",
"According to the movie, Jack is the one who redrummed the kids.",
"Yeah, I’m pretty confident that is not in any version of the Christian Bible.",
"It's not late atheism, it's just atheism. Don't let a bunch of hyper aggressive wackos sync a term just because they're being assholes. I'm an atheist, but I don't give a shit what other people believe in his lungs are not making it someone else's problem. I think it's going through the same thing with the term feminism is going through, where there's just a group of really loud extreme people who are attracting way more attention than those of us who are quiet, respectful, and patient people.",
"Yeah kids get scarlet fever all the time. Maybe it’s not as deadly as prior strains. But it still happens, kinda like if you get cut by a rusty nail dying from gangrene isn’t really a concern anymore. ",
"Indicative of the time, maybe. Still not true.",
"Because I dont like propaganda? Fuck off dick head:)",
"I’ve never been vaccinated and I never get sick:)",
"Is it possible to obtain this power?",
"Because often times the unvaccinated are children, who don't have a say either way.\n\nAlso, vaccines aren't 100% effective. We rely on herd immunity. If everyone is vaccinated, the chance of getting the disease are extremely small. But if many people aren't vaccinated, it raises their chance of getting the disease, and also everybody else's, since there are now more potential carriers.",
"If you believe hard enough, you're immune to all disease.\n\n\\- Idiots, probably",
"In ancient Greek *eros* meant romantic or intimate love, and *storge* meant family or parent-child love.\n\nThey also had words for platonic loving of your friends, and general love of mankind but I can't remember those.\n\nI agree with you, it does seem weird that in English we can use the same word to express our feeling for partners, children, parents, pets, food etc. when we clearly have different kinds of feelings for them.",
"> We will never know their names.\n\nTheir names are right there on the sign.",
"To be clear, I didn’t mean that I think anti-vaxers are literally trying to bring back horrible disease. Rather that will be the outcome should they get their way. I believe vaccination should be mandatory unless a person can’t get one for medical reasons. ",
"If I was an antivaxxer why would he only be missing two shots? TWO",
"Ok, cancer is caused by cells having mutations in their genes while they're dividing causing them to not react to signals telling them to die. Vaccines prepare your body for a fight against a virus by injecting a weakened virus or the top layer of the same strain (which is why you have to have the flu vaccine every year) this causes the body to become immune by knowing what to look out for. This is why you can't have a vaccine for cancer, this is not saying there will never be a cure for cancer but, there will never be a vaccine for cancer.",
"Well, since antibiotics wouldn't do shit against any of the diseases you named... and vaccines prevent them...\n\nNevermind, I probably shouldn't expect you can connect the dots here.",
"Canadian here, and that is shocking too.",
"Yeah, that's fucking metal",
"I tell my patients this exact thing. There is no shame in needing treatment. No need to treat the brain as though it is completely different from any other organ. If an organ needs support either temporarily or permanently then we do so. If the side effects are worse than the problem we stop, and when things have been good for a while we can reassess.\n\nAlso, sleep, nutrition, exercise, and mindfulness ate the pillars of mental health. When the meds help you feel better, use that energy to invest in those things. It will create a positive feedback loop and maybe you'll be able to come off the meds. When you're in a depression there is no shame in needing help to accomplish these things - seek support!\n\nAnd if you relapse when you come off - that's ok too!",
"Yes. Beep boop. We must vaccinate. Boop beep. To refuse would be heresy.",
"You know, Its mpo that humanity is becoming more stupid by herd physics and these wacky beliefs will thin the pack. Better this then a mass extinction event.",
"Mother Nature killed off the weak allowing only those with the strongest genes to survive, now everyone gets vaccinated and the world is being overrun with autistic kids ",
"F",
"Pretty much. I once had 5 canker sores appear. I looked online and WebMD said I’m either pregnant or have AIDS. \n\nIt was a tomato sensitivity. ",
"Ya you are missing one very important factor; vaccines are made by humans, and humans make mistakes. The fact that 200,000 children had no adverse effects from their vaccines doesn't mean shit, because none of those 200,000 kids had MY vaccine. The doctor wasn't wrong, and in fact we went into lengthy court battles to finally come to the conclusion that the vaccine indeed cause my asthma. We sued the manufacturer, and settled out of court, agreeing not to disclose what happened. \n\nBut you don't need to take my word for it, vaccines manufacturers are sued every year for wrongful deaths and other side effects. \n\nAgain, I'm not saying all vaccines are harmful, or cause asthma, otherwise surely the studies would pick up on it. I'm simply saying that in some rare cases it can happen, thus forced vaccinations are not a good idea ",
"Yes, it is. I'm terribly sorry you're too stupid to understand this.",
"Just Google it mate.",
"Tough week for the Larsen family",
"They're good dogs Brent ",
"Yeah.. Maybe it's because of the age of my children or the state we live in? But my pediatrician told me she had to report it to them and to expect a call. ",
"Translation: \"July 1903 fucking sucked.\"",
"When I was a year old, my parents lost my brother immediately after birth, and my father's inability to deal with his death in a healthy/ communicative way ultimately led to their divorce a few years later. There were other issues too, but that event seems to have been the biggest one. Wish I had some advice for you, but I just hope you're both able to find some peace, and to support one another.",
"Thank you, came here to say this. Still hurts the same no less. ",
"Most was from illness. Bacterial infections, like diarrhea, could not be treated effectively until post wwii (essentially). Viruses still are mostly untreatable, and the flu vaccine is a recent development. Calorie and nutrient deficiency is also a big killer of juveniles at the time. Premature babies almost all died and incubators were the first treatment, in the 1920s. Also in the 20s - popularization of pasteurizing and diy baby formula. Fetal alcohol syndrome wasn’t addressed until the 1960s I believe. And what about hygiene - and Caesarians and contraception... how many teen girls died in pregnancy? With all that in mind, genetic unfitness is pretty low on the list.",
"Yeah, I remember being a kid and asking about her polio vaccine scar. I messaged her after reading this thread, she says she remembers warnings on the radio about not going swimming in public pools or congregating together to avoid spreading the disease. My uncle's scarlet fever turned into rheumatic fever which probably wouldn't happen today (although my cousin did get scarlet fever a few years ago and he's only about 18 now)",
"What about the open homosexuals that lived in ancient Greece? Or all the closeted ones through the rest of history that stayed hidden. Oh wait, they didn't exist. ",
"Sources for your argument? That sounds intriguing and I'd like to know more about it.",
"I get it, but let's not pretend that just being vaccinated would automatically prevent this. I'm certainly no expert but last I checked it was like [less than 25% effective.](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2015/01/15/cdc-flu-vaccine-only-23-percent-effective-this-season-but-still-better-than-nothing/?utm_term=.5901e246dca4)",
"He was literally the underdog who rose up to be the best. They need to make THIS story into a movie. Focus on the whole team instead of just Balto. They all deserve credit, praise, and good boi pats. ",
"I’m going to guess they were going for an abortion joke.",
"\nThis is also what happened when CONTRACEPTION wasn't an option.",
"You haven't vaccinated your kids, that automatically makes you a shitty, negligent parent. Go fuck yourself. Hopefully some day your kid will understand what a fucking moron you are.",
"Leftist here. Burn down the religious institutions. ",
"Thanks for pointing this out. It may have been culturally less hard because it was more common and more people knew what you went throuhg, but I hate the way we keep pushing the idea that parents weren't as gutted by the death of a kid in the 1900s just because they had another half dozen underfoot.",
"Don't reply to them, they are trolling.",
"Where is this, Germany? Some of the text looks a bit German",
"By the reasoning of anti-vax, you are!",
"Yellow fever? Like when guys have a fetish for Asian women? ",
"The flu weakens your immune system which can cause secondary infections. I had the flu a about 4 years ago just as my fever broke and I started feeling better I got a sinus infection. Luckily antibiotics took care of it in a few days. But it wouldn’t have happened if I hadn’t got the flu. And I had never got the flu shot before. But have ever since. \n",
"Please! Won't somebody think of the children?!",
"Even that won't help them. They come back with saying the disease doesn't exist anymore so the vaccine is useless, even though that is wrong. The only question I have for them that even remotely works is to ask if they prefer a dead child to one with autism? Some say yes, some start babbling useless crap but you know you got them in a bind, and many go into deep thought and say they never broke it down to that basic of a concept. Luckily it's been a while since I ran into someone that is that delusional but I'm guessing it'll never quite go away",
"\"Today the light has gone from my life\"",
"That saying makes me think of a particular bird, I really can't recall what type of bird it is offhand, but they have nests high up on cliffs, and every time they lay eggs, they always lay 2, always. Then when the babies are born, the mother determines which is the weaker baby and pushes it off the cliff. Super fucked up, but its ingrained in their nature as a part of the evolutionary path that species took. I guess for any one of those birds that has a child, that phrase would be true for them.",
"Denmark",
"Did these people not go to school or something? I honestly want to know the reason behind their stupidity.",
"Can you give me a single pre-reviewed paper that shows a link between vaccinations and autism.",
"I feel like this comment should have more upvotes and paladinJill's less. As paladinJill's merely propagates the misunderstood statistic that was directly being talked about beforehand, even if it is not what they meant, while the comment after corrects/elaborates on that. \n \nWhy you werk like you do REddit",
"That’s fucked up. The only person I know outside family that died (natural causes) was my step sister’s ex. He had an aneurysm at 28 or something.",
"Oh boy this circle jerk",
"You jest, but that's truly how these things work. People who fall for alt-this are guaranteed to fall for alt-that. That's why you get anti-vaxxers who are also anti-school and anti-science and anti-moon landing and anti-everything else.",
"It's been on the front page a couple times the past month. Some people legitimately enjoy giving that as a gift to their partner, and it makes my stomach queasy. ",
"That's horrifying. A case could probably be made for manslaughter charges.",
"I've been researching my genealogy. They recorded all still births too. I have a great (5 times great or more) who lost 6 or 7 children to early death and stillborn in the early 1800s.",
"Everybody dies. Get over yourself. ",
"Sorry, my bad. Point still remains.",
"Not that it matters, they'll die out in a few years from not getting a vaccine.",
">Did these people not go to school or something? I honestly want to know the reason behind their stupidity.\n\n\n\nThe coincidence that I have not had the flu shot for 12 years and correspondingly have not caught the flu for 12 years means I am stupid? Please elaborate.\n\n\nDo only intelligent people catch the flu? Where do you get your ideas from? What kind of school did you go to?",
"I was afraid of rejection when I was married. But my wife took it much worse then I did if I wasn't in the mood. I got rejected enough that I stopped initiating. Obviously there were more issues than just sex in the marriage but that led to the issues with sex. Now I'm single and I'm terrified to try dating in my forties.",
"Thanks for making it clear instead of making a smart remark like everyone else. ",
"That was from not having a clean water source.",
"People who get vaccines should be paid. People who don't, should not be allowed in public schools or similar places.\n\nLiving in an advanced society is a privilege, and with that privilege comes responsibilities. If you want to live off the positive externalities of others, fine, just be prepared for the price. Because the rest of us are sick (no pun intended) of carrying the burden for you.",
"I'd seen that while researching my genealogy - I thought it was bad record keeping.\n\nI wish I were right.",
"My grandma passed away last year at 104. She told me stories of entire families being wiped out by the 1918 flu. She called it the Great War flu. She was only 6, so not strong memories but her family got sick and some cousins came from the city to care for them. Her family survived luckily. ",
"A tragedy we can all relate to. ",
"Of fucking course is Donald Trump an anti vaxxer. God, he's the absolute worst person to be leading an entire nation. What the fuck happened, America",
"Whenever my nan talks about how many siblings she has or how many children her mum has she says “x kids, x living,” and continues her story. \n\nThey were all born between the 1920s and 30s. This was happening in living memory. \n\nShe’s floored people choose not to vaccinate. ",
"På ingen måde. På denne måde bliver deres død måske en smule mindre meningsløs. ",
"Saying that other comments will say you're irrational doesn't make you rational. Don't have kids.",
"Imagine staying home from work one week because you have the flu and deciding to read _The Stand_ (before it became popular/a miniseries).\n\nTalk about panic.",
"Lmfao. Too funny. Idk why the downvotes it’s obviously a joke. ",
"I just checked the church records. They did have surviving children, yes. Most actually made it into adulthood. But that doesn't make it any easier. The kids were all buried on 10th of July that year. I can't even imagine looking at five caskets containing my family members at the same time in a relatively small church.",
"It is not impossible. ",
"True story.",
"Not really. Nobody says vaccines cause Downs. ",
"My friend has a family member with twins like this. Twins who are now 6’ tall, 16 years old and constantly angry, violent and sexual. The mom has become terrified of them, they are broke, they are miserable, no one in the family will watch them because they are scared, they can’t take them out in public because they can’t control them (this includes jacking off in public)....their lives have been completely ruined for two humans that have less of a brain capacity than a dog. They will probably outlive their miserable parents and then end up living in some horrific state home. \nI met them once and my first thought was that it would have been kinder to everyone involved if they had died. \nPeople who can handle this are saints. Honestly I know myself enough to know I truly could not handle it. I am so beyond lucky my three kids are all healthy and whole. \n",
">rational\n\nThis means something entirely different than what you think it means.",
"Don't get a vaccine, let us know how that works for you. Oh wait, you'll be dead.",
"I *identify* as smart.",
"My friend has a family member with twins like this. Twins who are now 6’ tall, 16 years old and constantly angry, violent and sexual. The mom has become terrified of them, they are broke, they are miserable, no one in the family will watch them because they are scared, they can’t take them out in public because they can’t control them (this includes jacking off in public)....their lives have been completely ruined for two humans that have less of a brain capacity than a dog. They will probably outlive their miserable parents and then end up living in some horrific state home. \nI met them once and my first thought was that it would have been kinder to everyone involved if they had died. \nPeople who can handle this are saints. Honestly I know myself enough to know I truly could not handle it. I am so beyond lucky my three kids are all healthy and whole. \n",
"Dogs are great.",
"4 days... All of them died in the span o 4 days.",
"I actually just heard of diphtheria yesterday while reading Sword of Destiny (one of the Witcher books). The book never described it in detail, but it was mentioned.",
"Might be true for most - there are lots of versions. It's in the 'right' version though. The one, true Bible. ",
"I had a bad reaction to the oral polio vaccine when I was an infant. It caused so much damage in my stomach that I was at first on a feeding tube, and then fed through my heart, so they could bypass my stomach and give me nutrients straight to my bloodstream. As a result of all of this I have a pretty decent sized scar on my chest, and endless problems with digestion. I can get sick to my stomach from seemingly almost anything, and no amount of medication or doctors have been able to completely help. \n\nThat being said: I don't have polio! I am endlessly grateful my parents got me vaccinated, and continued to do so even though I had an unfortunate reaction to one. Vaccines are necessary. People that choose not to vaccinate their children for stupid shitty reasons are hurting everyone else.",
"> The death rate has not been decreased by a lower birth rate.\n\nIsn't that the whole point of this thread?",
"How the heck did they find it?",
"oops, yes that's correct, tis bacterial and my father's saga was pre\nantibiotics. So vacines are good but so are antibiotics. ",
"As of lately, measles is on the rise throughout Europe thanks to braindead antivacc propaganda and dumb people who buy into it...\n\nhttps://ecdc.europa.eu/en/news-events/epidemiological-update-measles-monitoring-european-outbreaks-7-july-2017",
"It's the same time period too lol (although the language is Danish)",
"Shit thanks man. ",
"They’re downvoting it because your spewing anecdotal evidence to prove your point that vaccines don’t work which doesn’t provide anything constructive to the conversation at hand. You were downvoted for the exact reason downvoting was implemented. ",
"You're welcome ",
"They didn't die of the flu, they died of diphtheria. How many of your friends have children that die from diphtheria?\n\nThe efficacy is roughly 96%.",
"what exactly is your point? you just seem to be spouting random unsubstantiated numbers. what would you say to the parents of that infant that died from the vaccine? would you honestly tell them that there is nothing wrong with the way vaccines are administered and regulated? id venture to say they might disagree with you. ",
"Okay, I will try to make my point less edgy and more concise.\n\nThe majority of redditors I've seen discuss abortion has been for the idea of aborting children if they are at a high risk for being mentally disabled. \n\nHowever, the same bunch of redditors also advocate vaccinations on the basis that living with a mental disability is still better than being dead.\n\nI agree with the second point, but in my eyes it's contradictory to the first point, which I was trying to illustrate.\n\nAnd yes, not being a native speaker kind of messed it up for me.",
"Find a fucking peer reviewed, placebo tested paper that says that vaccine have any serious negative affects.",
"empty psychological projection. \"no, you\" stopped working as an effective rhetorical approach some time in the 3rd grade\n\nyou believe ignorant lying \"news\"\n\nsome wackjob article about scary german professors maniacally laughing and pouring opium in the city of hamburg's water supply while german govt illuminati nod in approval\n\nthat's the plot of a batman movie, not reality\n\nyou're not so much completely ignorant on this topic as you are in crackpot territory\n\n.\n\n.\n\n.\n\n\"no, you\"",
"https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herd_immunity",
"Let's unpack the implications you're making with this response.\n\n1) You're implying that the World Health Organization is not expert in the field of treating communicable diseases (those for which we develop vaccines) or the health of children.\n\n> Our goal is to build a better, healthier future for people all over the world. Working through offices in more than 150 countries, WHO staff work side by side with governments and other partners to ensure the highest attainable level of health for all people.\n\n>Together we strive to combat diseases – infectious diseases like influenza and HIV and noncommunicable ones like cancer and heart disease. We help mothers and children survive and thrive so they can look forward to a healthy old age. We ensure the safety of the air people breathe, the food they eat, the water they drink – and the medicines and vaccines they need.\n\nSource: http://www.who.int/about/en/\n\nThe WHO is an international organization which employs many experts on vaccine-preventable diseases.\n\n2) You're implying that as a funeral director you perform autopsies on young children, therefore you know what the f you're talking about.\n\n>Funeral directors, also sometimes referred to as undertakers or morticians, help families plan funeral services; they then carry out those services. Most funeral directors are practicing embalmers, which means that they prepare and preserve the body before internment. Common duties of funeral directors include meeting with families, helpi ng families plan services, embalming and preparing bodies, planning and organizing wakes and memorial services, placing obituary notices in newspapers and handling paperwork.\n\nSource: https://study.com/articles/Funeral_Director_Job_Description_and_Information_About_Starting_a_Career_in_Funeral_Directing.html\n\nIn other words, you have probably never performed an autopsy, which is \"the examination of the body of a dead person...performed by pathologists, medical doctors who have received specialty training in the diagnosis of diseases by the examination of body fluids and tissues.\"\n\nSource: https://www.medicinenet.com/autopsy/article.htm\n\n3) You imply that while the public only knows what it is told, you have special inside information about the dangers of vaccinating children. If this is true then please share your knowledge with the world at large. Until that happens I will assume that you're full of shit.",
"\\*looks at all the deaths caused by communism*\n\nHmm",
"Diphtheria.",
"holy shit thats sad asf ",
"You should be thankful for that, your weak genes probably wouldn't have survived without them.",
"Honestly, let’s not make fun of:\n\nPeople who die from preventable illnesses\n\nAutism \n\nStupid antivaxers \n\nNone are humorous ",
"> They’re downvoting it because your spewing anecdotal evidence to prove your point that vaccines don’t work\n\nI never once made the point that \"vaccines don't work.\"\n\n\nI am not \"spewing\" anything.\n\n\n>doesn’t provide anything constructive to the conversation at hand.\n\n\nThat is your own subjective opinion.\n\nStop projecting your own bizarro theories on to me.\n\n\nPlease follow the rules of the sub and be civil. Thank you.",
"> Thiomersal was also removed recently to try to convince ignorant people like you to get vaccinated\n\nThe mercury was removed from most vaccines, not because of ignorant people like me, but because thousands of doctors were all seeing the same results in the children under their care. The U. S. Public Health Service and the American Academy of Pediatrics issued a statement in 1999 urging its removal. They had a meeting in 1999 to discuss mercury in vaccines and decided it was best to move to aluminium, even though no 'solid proof' could be made that it caused harm (they still believed it to be the cause, you can read the transcript). The mercury is still in the Flu Vaccines (which is only 10% effective this year: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/this-years-flu-vaccine-may-only-be-10-effective-experts-warn/).\n\nWith the new vaccines (excluding influenza), the maximum cumulative amount of ethylmercury an infant would be exposed to in the first six months of life through routine vaccinations is now < 3 mcg. This exposure is down from a maximum of 187.5 mcg previously. \n\nDuring congressional hearings in June 2002, Congressman Dan Burton pressed government health officials on the safety of mercury in vaccines. He uncovered that thimerosal has been used in vaccines since 1929 and only one study was known to have been performed on thimerosal’s safety in all that time. That one test was done by thimerosal’s inventor, Eli Lilly, and much of the tests results were concealed because of the pending approval of a vaccine by Lilly using thimerosal.\n\nThere is much more to this than you know or are willing to even accept.\n\nThere are no studies that involve the subject being tested for what occurs when mercury and aluminum are both present in the body, just mercury or aluminum. \n\n\n\n",
"And all within 4 days.",
"Probably right there in the picture where it says they died of diphtheria. Idiot.",
"you can't redefine irresponsibility as a form of freedom\n\nlogically incoherent\n",
"Must be lovely to not care about herd immunity. Only person that matters is you, right? ",
"Ok so what was your point? If you didn’t have one than your post was absolutely meaningless and didn’t need to be posted. Again, that’s why downvoting was implemented. \n\nSince you edited your post, no it’s not subjective. It literally adds nothing to the conversation. Nothing you wrote needs to be seen by anyone. Downvoting did it’s job and put it at the bottom where no one would see it unless they sorted by controversial. ",
"Looks like the Oregon Trail on the hardest difficulty...",
"This is heartbreaking.",
"Dibs on your shit.",
"The writer of the blog was talking about smallpox, the sign in the photo is about diphtheria. ",
"Toledo Ohio. ",
"> If you didn’t have one than your post was absolutely meaningless and didn’t need to be posted.\n\n\n\nThis is your subjective opinion. Stop trying to silence and censor ideas that contradict the narrative you've ascribed to.\n\n\n",
"The payment for getting a vaccine is not having to get sick.",
"No, the fact you dont understand what causality is, is what makes you unintelligent.",
"I'm about the same age. Most younger people have no idea what it was like back then. \n\nMy wife too had chicken pox down her throat. A neighbor got Rubella when she was pregnant and her daughter was born deaf. A co-worker got mumps from his unvaccinated kids and it almost killed him. \n\nWe witnessed the real consequences of these diseases. There was no question that my wife and I got our kids vaccinated.",
"Goddammit, Togo.",
"First, I'll address my \"hypocrisy.\" I never once said tax companies. I said convince them to quit murdering the planet. Next, why care about \"nice\" taxes? Because they aren't voluntary. If I don't pay them, I go to prison or get fined. If I happen to not donate to charity one year for whatever reason, that's okay. \n\nLet's talk about the whole society taking care of people all throughout history. When we were hunter-gatherers, we definitely did things for the whole group. It took just one nice sized edible beast to feed everyone there. Thankfully, we've grown past needing to do that. I think you're off about how long we were like that though. I believe it was over 100,000 years. Then, we learned about how we could develop civilization. No longer did we have to do everything for everyone. We could choose to be nice or not. I love being able to choose to do something nice. I don't like someone saying, \"Pay for my birth control or else you'll go to jail!\" It's really not cool. \n\nNow, back to the doctor pay thing. Why on Earth would you go to the doctor if you don't think it's important. That just leads to super-bugs. You know, the ones that are antibiotic-resistant. I don't go unless I need to. \n\nThen, continuing the doctor pay thing. Them reducing pain and suffering is pretty awesome, in my opinion at least. Pain relief doesn't lead to possibly apocalyptic scenarios. I think a ton of what they do is important. Vaccinations are life saving. Giving you antibiotics that you need in order to live through an illness caused by a dangerous bacteria is saving your life. Surgery is life saving. Breast implants aren't life saving, but you gotta give them credit where credit is due. Oh, by the way, let a broken bone try to heal on its own. It isn't pleasant. (Thank you, doctors out there.)\n\nI'm not going to bother with the anecdotes anymore. As far as I know, you're lying to try to win sympathy points. \n\nI will give you the fact that many single parents don't receive child support. I decided to check the statistics, since I didn't know. I concede that point. About 50% maybe a little lower, maybe a little higher of owed child support is paid. It doesn't matter though, because there are tons of charities that feed people. \n\nI'm just gonna toss the anecdote. They are worthless in a debate. I don't know that they're true. \n\nSorry I took so long. Like I said, I was looking into child support stats",
"Can’t upvote that. But you’re not wrong ",
" you're prioritizing your paranoia over the health of people who cannot vaccinate. Must be nice to care more about hypotheticals over actual preventable deaths",
"You haven’t given any ideas and I’m not silencing anything. I’m simply saying your post was irrelevant. And it was. That wasn’t an idea. That was a “look at me this happened to me” story which adds nothing of substance to this forum. And yes, the narrative I’ve subscribed to is facts and science. Not anecdotal evidence by one person and his family. ",
"Is anyone else bothered that the screws on that plaque look like smiling/laughing emojis?",
"you're a freaking whackjob\n\nthere is no privilege to living in in ANY society\n\nwe are imbued with inalienable rights, not privilege ",
">No, the fact you dont understand what causality is, is what makes you unintelligent.\n\n\nPlease elaborate and explain why you believe that I do not understand causality. Why does my personal anecdotal experience upset you so much?\n\n\n>is what makes you unintelligent.\n\n\nPlease follow the sub's rules and remain civil. Thank you.",
"Really really poor. Like No Electricity or Indoor Plumbing until 1966 poor. ",
"Don't forget about all of that dangerous dihydrogen monoxide /s",
"You probably just don't think about it. These people weren't friends, they were just faces I saw at school, suddenly stopped seeing, and decided to learn why. If I wasn't paying attention, I would have thought they'd dropped out or moved away, or maybe I'd have not even noticed. I'm sure there were kids you stopped seeing ever again, and just never thought about. I mean, I maybe exchanged two words a day with any of them\n\nI mean, there were news articles about the banker that went nuts and killed his four kids (two of whom were my classmates), and how he was fired for embezzling from work to fund his cocaine habit, and articles about the track team champion that died when he was hit by a car while sleep walking, and articles about the big drunk driving accident that killed 6 kids (4 of them classmates). But if I hadn't looked for them, I wouldn't have known.\n\nThe only reason I know about the ones I do with the Iraq war, is that I kept track whenever someone from my home state showed up as dead in Iraq in the news, but I'm sure I missed some.",
"Vaccines are not solely responsible. Improved health and hygiene has saved many lives. Even today, hand washing is more effective than the flu vaccine. And, it doesn’t make you stupid or sickly. ",
">Jesus is actually pretty awesome.\n\nThis is going to seriously trigger the edgelords. ",
"You're acting irrationally and emotionally.\n\nOf course it's awful for that family. \n\nSo this one child died from SIDS that a judge decided was linked to vaccinations. Does that mean that vaccines are not safe and we should just outlaw them entirely? Absolutely not. With every single thing, there is risk.\n\nEating is theoretically a risk due to choking, undiscovered allergies, ETC...\n\nDrinking water has a risk. \n\nBreathing has associated risk in many environments.\n\nEverything in life comes with risk. Your argument, right now, hinges that some people have died due to receiving vaccines.\n\nYet, 3 million children die yearly to preventable diseases.\n\nhttp://www.chop.edu/centers-programs/vaccine-education-center/global-immunization/diseases-and-vaccines-world-view\n\n",
"Go fuck yourself. Your children should be removed from your custody.",
"Evidence?",
"My grandfather went through the same thing. He was small when his baby sister died, but he'd lied about his age to donnate blood to try and save her during an operation. He donated way more than was safe. She didn't survive.\n\nHe's 90. He still cries if you bring it up.\n\nBy 14 he was supporting his mother and three siblings. He still helps his surviving siblings to this day. They treat him more like a father than a brother.",
"There is no “one, true Bible” ya twat. Catholics (73), Orthodox, (78-81) and most Protestant denominations (66) all have different sets of books, and we all agree that all of them are fair to be considered a “true bible”. But guess what, all the difference in book numbers comes from the Old Testament, every single New Testament book is in every version of the Bible, and Jesus is only in the New Testament, and nowhere does it say what you thought it said and the New Testament is the only thing we all have in common with our Bibles.",
"Actually it was modern day plumbing that irradiated disease. You know, the fact we no longer tossed our shit in the streets daily for our neighbours to contract what we have. Look it up. Also while your at it look up the fact hundreds of years ago natives would live well into there 130’s, way before the white man or vaccinations ever showed up to “save us”",
"If only they had known about ginger, eh?",
"I see you're not a parent (Or rather, hope)",
"It's amazing that the mother survived so many pregnancies. ",
"You're stupid because you value your single anecdotal situation over the millions affected by preventable diseases. Thousands of man hours put into studying and developing those diseases, but sure, your sole situation is more true",
"And just think about how mushers in 1925 didn’t have any of the high-tech outdoor/camping gear that exists today... no fancy sleeping bags, no quick-drying clothes.",
"So much for the Hippocratic oath, right?",
"Whatever, you shill. It wasn't vaccines, but natural immunity and kale shakes.",
"Yeah, scientific journals lie.\n\nYour arguments have consisted of nothing but continued ad hominems and the assertion that violence is an answer to a problem where violence, thanks to human nature, will do nothing but steel the rejection of common sense in the minds of the people, and blathering on about how a handful of morons are committing violence against you and your family by merely existing.\n\nIs my example a bit out there and nutty? Perhaps. But it is a path that is being researched openly using government dollars, and is being considered. You blame fake news, but I have read nothing but the scientific papers these researchers have published. Yet in your obstinance and insistence that things cannot be as bad as they really are, you insist that it is nothing but a myth, because you fear the possibility that it isn t.",
"I would imagine no. You love your kids because of the people they are, not just because they are yours. You could have 10 kids, lose 5 and those 5 left wouldn’t be much consolation to the ones you lost. \nThe smile that one gave you everyday that you will never see again, the sarcasm of another, the laugh of another...those can’t be replaced no matter the number. ",
"These people are stupid. Do you know who else is stupid? That's right, everyone I disagree with politically!",
"The other interpretation of this is that men were generally not that interested in, or good at satisfying their partner. I mean, it’s still a problem today.\nAnd the doctors were all men as well, most of them not understanding the needs of women.\nBut of course women had the desire, just as today.",
"Me too! I wanted to be a musher so badly.",
"I'm not redefining anything. You are conflating the two as if something irresponsible cannot be a freedom. You can have the freedom to drunk drive, or not. We do not allow that freedom in this country, because it's irresponsible. You. Do. Not. Understand. Words.",
"I actually got into quite a heated debate with some coworkers the other day, about how life expectancy has increased with the widespread use of vaccines. They disagreed..",
"Yeah I agree that definitely happens. But I'm not sure that applies for my anecdote, because STEM fields rely on the scientific method. If you know how science works based on evidence, how does that then turn into \"well all the science done on epidemiology and vaccines is wrong\"?",
"> you value your single anecdotal situation over the millions affected by preventable diseases. \n\n\n\nStop projecting. This is a straw man argument.\n\n\n\n>Thousands of man hours put into studying and developing those diseases, but sure, your sole situation is more true\n\n\nStraw man argument. You need to calm yourself.",
"Technically yes but it's a dice where 1 in a million rolls will result in a rash...",
"Vaccines or Belle Guinness-type parents ",
"Yeah, that’s why they are selling vaccines which have killed a lot of diseases as a whole. Makes sense!",
"You're calling others unintelligent but tell this guy that not getting the flu for over 10 years is purely coincidental, and you're trying to make scientific reasoning 😂 shutup you arrogant little gimp",
"Just imagine the pain. In June you have 5 healthy kids aged 2,4,5,6 and 13. By the first week of July they are all dead and you are left to pick up the pieces that was your life. Unimaginable how horrible this must have been for this family and the thousands like them. ",
"So like, I'm not religious, but I'm pretty sure the whole concept of Christianity centers around the notion that Jesus sacrificed himself to save everyone from said eternal damnation. The nitty gritty details of that vary greatly from church to church and person to person. Some believe that that sacrifice means *everyone* (including atheists and non-Christians) have equal opportunities for salvation.",
"Also, if you were Catholic, birth control (except for the \"rhythm method\") was an absolute no-no until the Pill came along and many women quietly rebelled. You were urged to make as many Catholic babies as possible. Whether you could afford them, were healthy enough to bear them or even wanted them.",
"I feel sorry for your kids. Your willful ignorance in benefit of paranoia over actual demonstrable fact shows that they have a parent devoid of love for them",
"Edginess: 9/10\nExecution: 6/10\nFunniness: Too much",
"RIP. We will never forget you until we close the browser tab.",
"Just because one opposes one system which is CLEARLY RUNNING OUR PLANET INTO THE GROUND, does not automatically validate another system, which I also oppose. Stop with your straw man argument.",
"In what part of the world is this a thing? I've never heard of this in Canada. All children who can be vaccinated (basically anyone who is not allergic or immuno-compromised) receive them on the exact same schedule. ",
"Jesus is with me. \n",
"Yeah, as someone with autistic friends and family members, I find it really fucking offensive that some people would rather risk their child DYING rather than have an autistic child.",
"> The flu vaccine can't give you the flu you actual fucking plank.\n\nWhen did I ever say it could? Stop projecting. \n\n\n\n>Even if it did, why would the government infect people with the flu virus?\n\n\n\nI completely agree with you. Why would our government want to do this?\n\n>Unethical human experimentation in the United States describes numerous experiments performed on human test subjects in the United States that have been considered unethical, and were often performed illegally, without the knowledge, consent, or informed consent of the test subjects. Such tests have occurred throughout American history, but particularly in the 20th century.\n\n>The experiments include: the exposure of people to chemical and biological weapons (including infection of people with deadly or debilitating diseases), human radiation experiments, injection of people with toxic and radioactive chemicals, surgical experiments, interrogation and torture experiments, tests involving mind-altering substances, and a wide variety of others. Many of these tests were performed on children,[1] the sick, and mentally disabled individuals, often under the guise of \"medical treatment\". In many of the studies, a large portion of the subjects were poor, racial minorities, or prisoners[citation needed].\n\n\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unethical_human_experimentation_in_the_United_States\n\n\n\n\n>Medical experiments were conducted on a large scale on civilians who had not consented to participate. Often, these experiments took place in urban areas in order to test dispersion methods. Questions were raised about detrimental health effects after experiments in San Francisco, California, were followed by a spike in hospital visits; however, in 1977 the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention determined that there was no association between the testing and the occurrence of pneumonia or influenza.[63] The San Francisco test involved a U.S. Navy ship that sprayed Serratia marcescens from the bay; it traveled more than 30 miles.[63] One dispersion test involved laboratory personnel disguised as passengers spraying harmless bacteria in Washington National Airport.[63]\n\n>Scientists tested biological pathogens, including Bacillus globigii, which were thought to be harmless, at public places such as subways. Light bulbs containing Bacillus globigii were dropped in New York City's subway system; the result was strong enough to affect people prone to illness (also known as Subway Experiment).[64] Based on the circulation measurements, thousands of people would have been killed if a dangerous microbe was released in the same manner.[63]\n\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_biological_weapons_program#In_civilian_venues\n\n\n\n>You are an anti-vaxer, let that sink in. \n\nNo I am not. This is a straw man argument on your part. Please remain civil.\n\n\n\n>You aren't 'woke', you are just ignorant of facts and really, really fucking stupid.\n\n\nStop projecting.",
"Let's see: my stupidity leads me to believe my baby could develop autism and live with that over their lifetime.\n\nOR\n\nI don't vax and they could die.\n\nHrm, this is a tough one.",
"Seriously? That's because it's an allergic reaction, not actually what's in the vaccines (which is public info). You could get the same reaction by eating the wrong food. ",
"More likely the cause is incest creating weak genetics rather than your claim of \"magical virus demons\". They are all female and too close in age. This is typical bad breeding as per the time period in question.",
"Holy @d$! How's that for welcome home?",
">in 1998...\n\nthe Undertaker broke Mankind's arms with jumper cables on an announcer table.",
"i went to a high school with about 3,000 other students, graduated in 2016 and don’t know of one person that died the years during school or the 2 years since i’ve graduated. Closest thing is i know a kid who blew half his thumb off holding a firework.",
"What's sad is that in developing countries, children are still dying from these easily preventable diseases :'(",
"That's why you add a /s",
"Oh I'm definitely sure you were vaccinated, then.",
"I wonder why some people have this desperate need to link politics to any given subject. It's like they actually want to keep the division they're so opposed to.",
"what does eating your young have to do with vaccinations?",
"data is merely compiled anecdotes, often exhibiting a clearly recognizable pattern\n\njust sayin...",
" please don't talk about morality. You forfeit morality when you choose wilful ignorance over saving lives",
"You don't see anyone dying of polio, do you?",
"There’s a graveyard near my house that’s probably one of the saddest I’ve seen.\n\nIt lists a man, his wife and their 6ish children. Not one of the children made it past 20 and every single one of them died before their parents. Poor guy watched his wife die in childbirth along with his last child and died alone a few years later.\n\nIt’s when you find the graves that list women dying on 22/1/1818 and a child listed as dying 26/1/1818 with no birthdate...",
"Ya I get you. It’s just that there a lot of contradicting things going on in our society. \nDon’t do drugs, unless it’s alcohol, sugar, prescription drugs, and/or caffeine. Crazy shit man. ",
"People died!",
"Guys, (assuming you're from the USA) you had nearly three centuries to get over the big bad government and what they did to you. It's OK to calm down and act like you give a shit about each other.\n\nThe injections don't hurt, and no one complains if they don't have to pay for them.",
"Thanks for giving me the chance to break this out again:\n\nhttp://jennymccarthybodycount.com\n",
"As children",
"\"You funny man, take this fake internet point and leave the immediate vicinity 😂😂😂😂\"",
"\n\n+/u/reddtipbot 50",
"> You're calling others unintelligent but tell this guy that not getting the flu for over 10 years is purely coincidental\n\nYes, I am. Because it is. You stupid fuck.",
"Birth rates had to be high to make sure at least **one** child survived.",
"This. We're too far removed from the reality of these diseases. My Canadian province didn't join confederation until 1949, so healthcare was pretty shitty and vaccines were almost unheard of until we joined Canada. I have met people in my parents age group who are crippled by polio or lost someone to some outbreak. The consequence is that our province has a 95% compliance rate for vaccines. These preventable diseases are too close in cultural memory for anyone to forego vaccines unless they really can't get them for some reason.",
"Surely, it must help sooner or later",
"That was civil.",
"lol bragging about a bachelor's ",
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"Thanks for this clarification. I was wondering how we knew how these deaths didnt arise from something like a house fire.",
"I fear the latter.",
"My school had about 1,800 students, and was built with an intended physical capacity of about 900. It used to be one of the top ten in the state for academics, until the principal changed and they gutted everything for sports in the middle of my second year.\n\nBut it was always low key. The only reason I knew about it was that I'm naturally extremely curious. I graduated... jesus... in the early 2000's. Don't remember exactly when, it's been so long, and I can't just backtrack because I was one of those kids that skipped grades, then was held back, then skipped, then held back, and I frankly forgot which grade I was in at times. It would have done me more good, I think, to have progressed along side the other kids instead of bouncing back and forth.\n\nBush was president when I graduated, in his second term. Obama was the first president elected after I could legally vote.",
"You said it, man.",
"and again im not against vaccines but the way they are administered is the real issue. there's too much money in it now and its impacting how they are administered and when, and increasing the risks. its actually comical how you wont admit that there are unnecessary risks with vaccines that can be corrected or improved. ",
"Referring to someone as \"unintelligent\" is not civil. \n\n\n#Operation Sea-Spray\n\n\n>From September 20 to 27, 1950, the U.S. Navy released the pathogens off the shore of San Francisco. Based on results from monitoring equipment at 43 locations around the city, the Army determined that San Francisco had received enough of a dose for nearly all of the city's 800,000 residents to inhale millions of particles each day during the week of spraying.[1][2][3]\n\n\n\n\n>On October 11, 1950, eleven residents checked into Stanford Hospital for very rare, serious urinary tract infections. Although ten residents recovered, one patient, Edward J. Nevin, died three weeks later. None of the other hospitals in the city reported similar spikes in cases, and all 11 victims had urinary-tract infections following medical procedures, suggesting that the source of their infections lay inside the hospital.[1] Cases of pneumonia in San Francisco also increased after Serratia marcescens was released, though a causal relation has not been conclusively established.[4][5] The bacterium was also combined with phenol and an anthrax simulant and sprayed across south Dorset by US and UK military scientists as part of the DICE trials which ran from 1971 to 1975.[1][6]\n\n>The urinary tract outbreak was so unusual that the Stanford doctors wrote it up for a medical journal.[3]\n\n>There was no evidence that the Army had alerted health authorities before it blanketed the region with bacteria. Doctors later wondered whether the experiment might be responsible for heart valve infections around the same time as well as serious infections seen among intravenous drug users in the 1960s and 1970s.[7]\n\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Sea-Spray\n\n\n*intradesting...*",
"I posted a picture of our family cemetery on Facebook once, when someone said something stupid about vaccinations being optional Of my 5 aunts and uncles who all died as children, because vaccines didn’t exist yet. Sometimes that wakes people up, And sometimes the stupid wins.",
"I know it's not nice to wish death upon someone, but fucking hell, let Darwinism go its course",
"Wait, if you're a funeral director. How do you know the autopsy results?",
"It makes more sense how brutal people could be in times where death was this common. I can only imagine if your children dying is a normal and expected part of parenthood that you would probably have a bit of a soft attitude towards killing people who are potential dangers to your family.",
"/r/vaxxhappened",
"ROFL",
"Mortality rate for children under 1 year of age used to be 20%. Mortality rate for 5 and under used to be 25%. Overall childhood mortality rates used to be 30%.\n\n\"Used to be\" was before the discovery of vaccinations. These are the mortality rates from the early 20th century. These are the mortality rates *less than 100 years go*.\n",
"You're literally reading stuff online and taking it for fact. I am contracted with 2 counties near me. I'm required to assist and help cut with the pathologist and I'm the one that puts them back together after embalming. Literally the pathologist and I will smell and take apart a liver. We can totally smell a iodine smell. This pathologist goes to say, \"eh probably from the vaccination, but we can't put that down because the county will just do a remote attistation. This causes more work for everyone. So yes half the time what the death certicate says is not true. They only do this to make everyone's job easier. Also what you read is not fact, but an opinion of the person writing it. It will always be this way. I thought everyone I learned for this job was fact. Come to find out most are lies, and that every employee is a employee that wants to get home to their family and not stay extra for the exact causes of death. Now I've only had 2 pathologist that will tell me it's probably from vaccinations, but they have told me in 10 different cases each. Now ofcourse this can be their opinion or view on things, but when I'm standing right next to them and can smell and see what they do. I believe it more then anyone telling me from a website or a book different. Personal experience>over any \"professional\" writing what they are lead to believe is fact. ",
"Ya I’m not saying there isn’t any good in it. Just a lot of information out there that maybe some people don’t understand. We can’t just say people are dumb and ignorant and call it that. We need to have real discussions and try not to get mad at the other side. Otherwise it turns into 99% of the comments on this page. ",
"I couldn't care less about your self-proclaimed authority. Moreso, defending such position doesn't lend you much credibility. \n\nReferring to autism as a \"disease\" is an old-fashioned idea that\n\n- the medical community is phasing out (rightly so)\n- the autistic community doesn't welcome (rightly so).\n\nThe same debate applies to some extent to other psychic *conditions* and *disorders*, autism being a case of its own, alongside ADHD since both are *neurodevelopmental* ones.\n\nE.g. I welcome you to prove me wrong by citing a single reliable, informative, credible resource referring to \"bipolar disease\".",
"Let me guess, you were vaccinated and it caused rank stupidity.",
"you'll not get an answer because...wait for it...YOU'RE the stupid one, and they are all too smart for the likes of you\n\nas if pharmaceutical corporations aren't continually discovered to be falsifying or obscuring data to pitch products and boost profitability.\n\nIndia is still notorious for open defecation and there is probably no reason to believe that the high rate of infectious disease has fuck all to do with that.\n\n",
"This is exactly it. The idea is that ALL of us are sinners, and Jesus is saving ALL of us simply for believing in him.\n\nAgain, I'm not religious. I'm not saying the Christianity is perfect (It's FAR from perfect; the whole eternal damnation angle is a big scheme to control people). I'm sort of combining the best of several Christian sects into what I said here.\n\nWhat I'm saying is that many evangelicals have twisted it into something FAR worse than it is. ACTUAL Christians don't hate on other people and don't use religion as a tool to control and oppress others.",
"Dipshittery to the max",
"Well seeing how the infrastructure of the entire country is still intact, I'd say a lot.",
"wow... very rude!! 😤",
"r/gatekeeping ",
"She shares that opinion. ",
"As a nurse, I apologize for this idiot. I agree that these people should not be allowed to work. They are putting our patients at risk, and that is unforgivable.",
"Sweet Jesus if I could roll my eyes any harder they would pop out of my head and dangle from my empty eye sockets. ",
"Hey I laughed and it's my own Aunt so it's okay. ",
"Yes, in their world asking questions makes one \"stupid.\"",
"Coke paid scientists to say sugar was good for you. Just because it's there doesn't mean it's true.",
"> Referring to someone as \"unintelligent\" is not civil.\n\nWhen they're being unintelligent, it is.\n\nNo idea what your nonsensical link has to do with anything.",
"How awful. Try even imagining what that week in July must have been like.",
"First- right after that quote you gave I clearly said that was the impression you had given me with your response. This is tied to the overall remarks you made that people don't seem to grieve historically over the loss of children, stillborns, or with miscarriages, and you making an assumption between what people told you and what you seem to believe. Just because the naming ceremony happened until 100 days doesn't mean people weren't attached to their newborns nor valued their lives. The whole concept of age in Korea clearly proves they value even the fetus' life.\n\nSecondly- Your idea that this is a modern luxury and that people just got immune to losing children historically is just wrong. Historically women had to go through the exact same physical, mental and chemical/hormonal hardships as women do today when they lose a child at any stage of pregnancy. Although you hit a point with the funerals that we have today appear to be a modern luxury- I doubt a mother in the middle ages could even dream of holding a funeral whatsoever- it's very clear that even in the 1800s parents were very attached to their children. Have you not seen any of those creepy pictures where they painted their dead children's corpses to be life-like for photos? They did that to preserve the memory of their child. And let alone the countless examples in art and literature that described the loss mothers went through when losing a child. \n\nIt feels like you are trying convince yourself of your own beliefs. It is true that when people go through trauma and loss over and over again it is numbing, fears of loss and fears of attachment- but that does not mean the loss of life meant lesser to them than it does today. ",
"Shhh, just let him be edgy. ",
"I first read this as \"This is what happened when vacation wasn't an option\".\n\nI know its hard to take kids on vacation, but this seemed a little extreme.",
"True! They didn't even have the vaccine to argue about yet!",
"> wow... very rude!! 😤\n\nWow... very stupid!",
"Yes lack of knowledge. Lack of knowledge about vaccines, they died from diphtheria.",
"I apologise, it just makes me really angry that people would put their and other children's lives at risk because of ignorance. \n\nSo you're saying that the US government gave you the flu virus, to test... what exactly? A new vaccine? We already have fully functional vaccines.",
"True! They didn't even have the vaccine to argue about yet!",
"American here, had quite a few deaths during and surrounding high school as well. About a year before I became a freshman there was a drunk driving accident that killed 5 teenagers from my hometown, two deaths by alcohol poisoning, one overdose, one kid hung himself for an April Fool's joke, I'm still trying to understand that one. We lost three to the war, another three to suicide and just recently we found out that there was a 14 year old either murdered or starved to death by his parents. I honestly think we deserve the criticism we get, after writing all that out..",
"You are alleging that Operation Sea-Spray never happened and is \"nonsensical?\"\n\n\nAnd you are labeling me as unintelligent.\n\n\n\n*ironic.*\n\n\nYou need to learn to stop projecting my friend.",
"Same.",
"Googled \"You aren't really a mother until you've lost a child 19th century\" to check where it might be from. First thing that came up was a [Metro article](http://metro.co.uk/2018/01/22/haunting-photo-shows-vaccinations-good-thing-7250940/) that quoted... you're comment, apparently.",
"Stories like this remind me of two things. How incredibly blessed we are to not have to rely on or be the ones to travel by sled through subzero temp. A lot of us gripe about sitting in front of a heater on a 20 degree day.\n\nThe other is that no matter how hard you try. Sometimes it’s for why you do it and not what you get out of it.\n\nYou can give someone food and they could always drop it.",
"Clean water too. ",
"Yep, you're a absolutely correct. I'm all for vaccines and if I had children I would vaccinate with no hesitation. I should probably have made that more clear in my initial post. My point was mostly to highlight that people of my generation have little to no experience with deadly, but preventable diseases, and very little education to make them realize the damage that could be done by not vaccinating. It's easy to think of the flu or chicken pox as inconveniences and of the vaccines as optional when you've never seen the reality of life without vaccines: entire families wiped out in a matter of days by diphtheria or children in iron lungs and leg braces from polio.",
"Not at all sure how that follows. Certainly isn't historically factual.",
"GTFO with your logic and your reason. There is a war on Christianity and white Christians are victims of oppression!!!11!1",
"Then go live in the Sahara. Or Gobi, or the Australian outback. You are not entitled to live in civilization if you refuse to adhere to its demands. ",
"It took me longer than I’d like to admit to notice this post said vaccination and not “vacation.”\nI was like, “so they couldn’t go on vacation and that killed them??!”",
"Maybe they did, but survived? Idk.",
"Pretty common to lose half, one of my grandparents had half his siblings die around childbirth/first few days. Weird to see the family tree with the same name popping up again and again.",
"Scarlet fever is a complication of untreated strep infection, common before antibiotics were available. It's not eradicated but it is prevented by treating strep quickly. ",
"This years particular strain of flu has the tendency to mutate faster and change its make up to infect chicken eggs better which is where we get the virus for the vaccine from. And this years flu happened to mutate one of it important lipids causing it to essentially be a different flu in the eyes of the immune system.",
"Mr Managicall, what you've just said... Is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point, in your rambling, incoherent response, were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.",
"It’s not like some weird regime you can’t escape. You just pass the border and wave goodbye.\n\nHowever, it’s interesting we’re talking about regime here when there’s a particular country that has 1% of population its population imprisoned, mostly for reasons that don’t hurt anyone else. People there love FREEDOM!",
"Children were viewed differently back then. In many societies babies weren't seen as persons until they were at least 1 year old, many weren't even given names before that, parents didn't spend much time with them (aside from basic care) and made sure not to get too emotionally attached.",
"But aren't five dead children better than five living ones, if one has autism? /s",
"Try googling \"reddit jolly rancher\" instead.",
"Do you hear yourself ?\n\nYou are literally happy when someone that disagrees with your opinion dies. \n\nIt must be nice to have such wisdom pour forth from your cockholster...you're an inspiration to us all",
"And all my friends say \"I don't need the flu shot! I've never gotten it, and I've never gotten the flu!\". Little do they know about herd immunity. ",
"> islam is very protected by many redditors from the same criticism rightfully applied to Christianity here.\n\nIts because in America, Islam is a minority, and the \"leftists\" (whatever the fuck that means) are all about inclusion and equality, so they usually don't pick on minorities. Pretty simple.",
"So edgy, that comment let him level up from a hexagon to a heptagon. Maybe once he hits Octagon he'll stop. ",
"Came to make sure someone said it, thank you.",
"Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. I'm not even counting the one the ones who died from drinking too much, because frankly that didn't make it into the paper, so I typically don't know about those.\n\nI'm sure I even missed several deaths that I simply failed to notice. It's not like the school announced it over the intercom when it happened.",
"I hope everyone else gets the flu shot, so I dont have to",
"> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Togo_(dog)\n\nHe came back to the kennel days after and was happily reunited with Seppala.",
"All the county does is pay for the autopsy when a doctor won't sign for causes of death. When a autopsy is done, they give me the causes so I can fill out the death certificate and give it to the family. So why the heck would I not know the results of an autopsy as a funeral director? Do you guys think that permits and death certificates get filed on their own? ",
"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oldest_people\n\nThe oldest person alive today was born in 1900. Nobody is left who would remember 1903.",
"As a mother who lost a child, it does change one’s perspective. Losing 5 in 5 days? Unsure if I would have survive such pain. It is as much physical as psychological ...and I’ve insufficient vocabulary to express that loss. ",
"He even said his family gets the flu and he's fine, so if were going off that scientifically then the flu vaccines obviously didn't work , learn to stop reading selectively ",
"There never was a vaccine for scarlet fever since we don't have a vaccine for strep, which is what causes scarlet fever when it isn't treated. The prevention for scarlet fever is to treat strep with antibiotics before it escalates.",
"Oh I know remembering it was a stretch",
"I got it as an adult because I didn't know I needed a vaccination. A nurse accidentally gave me a vaccination instead of a test for it which I'm pretty sure made it worse. \n\nIt was hell. I hate anti-vaxxers because I would not have gotten it if not for them and anyone willing to put a baby through that is a monster.",
"**All** vaccines are good though?",
"Agreed. I’ve still no memory of the first year after daughter’s death... and she had a 3 yo brother. :\\ ",
"I couldn't imagine losing one child but losing that many that close to one another must have been devastating. ",
"I only know about the overdoses and alcohol poisonings because they were friends of mine. When suicides happen everybody likes to pretend they care for a little bit but they just go on letting things happen.\n\n\nI'm sure I missed quite a few as well. ",
"Nahhh, vaccines did it. I had a vaccine once...now I'm confused and don't know what gender I like AND I'm autistic. 😐 but I can't decide if it was the marijuanas or chemiKILLS in vaccines.",
"And yet there are still people that do not vaccinate in the name of God. ",
"Gave me a truly out loud laugh.",
">So you're saying that the US government gave you the flu virus, to test... what exactly? A new vaccine? We already have fully functional vaccines.\n\n\n\nNo. I never said any of those things. Stop projecting and putting words in my mouth.",
"You the result of this type of incestuous bad breeding? Is that how you know? ",
"Yep true. And vaccine isn't targeted at everyone, just the most at risk. ",
"> so if were going off that scientifically then the flu vaccines obviously didn't work , learn to stop reading selectively\n\n> scientifically\n\nThat word means something other than what you think it means. Go away, idiot.",
"Jesus brought a terrible disease and vanished my family, it stays with me because I painted his fucking face in a canvas and I practice archery with the motherfucker in my courtyard",
"Wait till you hear about the new \"raw\" water trend",
"Uh no. I said this is my view. I don't force it on anyone, don't go round saying bullshit. I see the importance of vaccines. I'm saying I don't trust vaccines. Only me. The real anti-vaxx people got they head up they ass.",
"*believes vaccine injections gives you the autizmz\n\n*takes botulinum toxin injections",
"Oof, that’s a close one. Missed it by th*eeeeeeeee*ssss much. ",
"Poor Mom...",
"Jesus, that UWorld line brought back a flood of bad memories. It's like a rite of passage.",
"Where did you go to high school? This is pretty shocking to me, too. The only first world people I know who’ve told me similar stories of mortality were Irish. In their case, a lot of them were suicides. ",
"God dammit Brian.",
"Yeah that’s why it’s funny. That and because it’s kind of a mean thing to joke about. /shrug",
">link to a much less destructive and tragic disease like autism which AFAIK even anti vaccers admit there is a miniscule chance in contracting, certainly a lot smaller than a child contracting and dying from a preventable disease if vaccinations were stopped. It is straight up child abuse.\n\ndon't do this, you think you're having some kind of 'gotcha' argument with those people but all you're doing is pandering and making them think their autism argument is legitimate to begin with.\n\nVaccines don't give people autism, full stop, end of. You don't dignify anyone saying otherwise.",
"Lack of contraception played a role, but they still had certain contraceptive strategies that have been around for centuries. Avoiding intercourse at the mid point of your cycle, weaning each child later, etc. If you didn't want a dozen children, there were ways to avoid getting pregnant every time it was physically possible. ",
"I always think this! ",
"Totally read that as vacation. I was so confused",
"Missed it by about a century and several major advances in medical science.",
"> but it finally clicked that being either completely numb to good or bad things happening or just being angry at everything wasn't the proper emotional range.\n\nAh, fuck...",
"My father in law is from a family in which he had 9 other siblings live to adulthood, with another 10 that never made it past adolescence. He's in his early 60's now with about 2 siblings still around. ",
">You know what, actually, please don't get vaccinated. The world needs less people like you.\n\n\n\nBut I am already not getting flu vaccinations and I am not catching the flu. I seemingly have a very strong immune system, and will be around for a lot longer.\n\n\nWhen is the last time you caught the flu?\n\n\nPlease do not wish early death on me. Bad thoughts and wishes often have consequences. Please remain civil. In a civil world, people do not passive aggressively wish early death on anonymous strangers on the internet.",
"Tragic. There are several of these to be seen in the old cemeteries of New Orleans. Some include entire families. ",
"Change downs and autism to mental disability.",
"There are multiple claims of people over 130 in various places in the world, the oldest VERIFIED person is 117.",
"Atheist-normal.\n\nIn case you haven't noticed, it's the religious zealots the ones trying to force their gods down everybody's throats.\n\nYou won't see atheists in abortion clinics with shotguns, you won't see an atheist state group of terrorists invading the middle east, you won't see pairs of atheists knocking of your door to convince you you are wrong.",
"DID YOU KNOW most of the diseases vaccines prevent against had dropped dramatically before vaccines were introduced?! [One could argue that clean water, sanitation, and refrigerators handled 98% of the problem, and vaccines took care of the final 2%.](https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/1800/1*1AQcxVe_IjKqZWpM9yhRvw.png)\n\nAlso, you know that Japan outlawed the MMR vaccine because of the injuries it was creating? Why aren't they all dead, genius?\n\nFinally, can anyone explain how [America has the highest infant mortality rate](https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2011/11/03/right-vaccine-dosage-for-babies.aspx) in spite of being the most over vaccinated population on the planet? \n\nI fucking hate propaganda like this. Vaccine manufactures - which are all immune to litigation from adverse effects - do a good enough job bribing doctors and pediatricians on their own without morons like OP spreading this bullshit.",
"Part of the issue is that vaccines worked so well that people have forgotten how terrible these illnesses are. I bet if parents were made to watch footage of kids in the grips of these illneses, their tunes would change. Watch a baby bark-coughing and whooping for breath from a totally preventable illness once and maybe those jabs don't look so risky anymore.",
"unread\n\nthis moronic thread is over\n",
"I watched a TV show about people sponsoring children in poor countries, and some of them went to visit \"their\" child.\n\nOne of the women who went there said with teary eyes: \"Imagine so many of your children die that you *get used to it*.\"\n\nIt really opened my eyes for how much suffering there still is in the world today.",
"We barely knew yee.",
"Going to call me out for a flaw in my argument after the drivel you're peddling? Lmfao",
"They died in 1944 and 1952 with 16 children. 8 lived to adulthood.",
"And Dad. ",
"Or telling him why I definitely understand what he's saying and why it's dumb. Same thing, right? ",
"We had 3 boys and tried for a girl. \n\nGot fraternal twin girls. \n\nNow I don't try for anything anymore, I'm so scared of what could happen.",
"America's youth death rate is stupidly high compared to other 'first world countries'",
"It's easy really. If they don't understand vaccines then they're not your friends anymore. ",
">as if something irresponsible cannot be a freedom\n\nit can't\n\nirresponsibility is not freedom. it's destroying someone else's freedom",
"It’s 1903, they would have all lived together unfortunately.",
"My great-grandmother used to say that too. She was born in 1907. And I think every region in the world had that saying, just changed due to the modern world.",
"Why? Are you one of those people that needs a straight wall? ",
"Twins are not like normal human children.",
"What do you believe I am \"peddling\"?\n\n\nStop putting words at my mouth and then insulting me about those fabricated words.\n\n\nRemain civil and follow the rules of the sub. Thank you.",
"And this gives anti-vaxxers have more \"evidence\" to their side!",
"I'll tell you the state, but I'd rather not go into more detail than that. I don't want to accidentally dox myself. Iowa, and it was a public school.",
"Our society more or less guarantees the survival of damn near any child once born",
"ANTIVAX DUMB GIMME KARMA",
"Yup. I would just look down and try to stay looking st6raight down. Not my kid, not my kid, not my kid. And there would have been nothing I could have done to help even if I did look. But I still feel guilty.",
"**\"This was a great dog, a dog of vision and guts, \nand there isn't even a plaque or a signpost \nor a statue of him in that town.\"**",
"27 hours of corroded pipe.",
"What risks can be prevented and improved? I'm genuinely curious as to what the risks are that you are citing.\n\nIf you're referring to how they are administered, there is no evidence showing that the amount of vaccines given in a specific timeframe increases or decreases any sort of vaccine-related reaction.\n\nHere's a great article citing multiple sources\n\nhttps://www.thescientificparent.org/vaccines-101-too-much-too-soon/\n\nhttp://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/early/2014/05/14/peds.2013-3429\n",
"Not yet!",
"Add footage of the remaining polio survivors having to live out their lives in their iron lungs, or heck, just anyone who's actually been hospitalized for the flu this year.",
"I'm supporting my points using external sources. If you don't think they credible then that's your prerogative. You're just making unsupported claims that only you know the truth about this subject. I know you're full of shit and so do you, and that's so satisfying.",
"I asked my daughters how many babies they will have in their tummy, one said 5 and the other said puppies. Maybe they'll both be gay?",
"I might be one of the unlucky few that suffered long term negative effects from a vaccine. I develloped narcolepsy after being vaccinated with Pandemrix.\n\nI say might as there still seems to be no clear answer if Pandemrix actually can cause narcolepsy. But i still wouldn't hesitate to get my next vaccine, or vacinated my kids. ",
"And yet she would still be an upgrade from the current one. What does that tell you?",
"> since we don't have a vaccine for strep,\n\nPneumococcial vaccines qualify as a vaccine against strep. Pneumococcus is a type of streptococcus.\n\n[This wikipedia link discusses the scarlet fever vaccine](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gladys_Dick)",
"Your claim that living in an \"advanced society\" has no privilege is ridiculous. Clearly those that live in first world societies have privileges not available to people who do not. Advanced medical care, education, improved housing to name a few. If you want those privileges you make the choice to join the correct society and attain them. If you have them, people rarely give them up - they are sought after. However to call them inalienable is to denigrate the people that do not have them. Go to the Ivory Coast and tell them they have an inalienable right to the same education as someone from England or Canada or the US - they may agree with you, but that does not 'imbue' the citizens with access to that privilege. That access is a function of the society in which they live.\n\nAnd the reality is that living in a society does have rules, laws and societal norms that breaking has consequences for. /u/ThatLurchy is not incorrect in stating that advanced societies have every right to have expectations of its members.",
"This happened to my grandmother. Her older sister died at age 2 in 1920 from a heart defect (according to the death certificate) and when she was born a year later, she was given the same first name, just a different middle name.",
"Keep trying.",
"A large part of it was due to unsanitary living conditions. Populations made huge booms when water became clean and readily available. Diseases started to drop off dramatically. ",
"Are you saying that the belief in death caused by disease is equivalent to a belief in \"magic\" and \"demons\"? They are similar in age because they are presumably the children of the same couple and born around the same time; they all died around the same time because that is when the disease was going around (and they may even have caught it from each other). \n\nWeak genetics resulting from inbreeding doesn't seem like a plausible explanation. To the best of my knowledge, it does result in a substantially heightened risk of genetic defects, but wouldn't be expected to cause the majority of children in a family to die before adulthood. \n\nAlso note that although the ages are similar enough that all belong to the same generation, the birth dates vary from 1888 to 1901 - a range of 13 years - yet all five died during the first week of July 1903. If natural lifespan was reduced due to genetic defects, one would all to have more or less the same natural lifespan. Of course there is some inherent randomness involved, but it's *very* unlikely that people whose ages vary from 2 to 15 years would *just happen* to die of natural causes due to genetic defects within the same week. If genetic defects were a factor, they were a factor in making people more vulnerable to disease, rather than themselves being the immediate causes of death.",
"This scares the shit out of me as my son is part of the immunity herd. I only wish I'm able to vaccine him without the risks he currently faces :(",
"As much as I agree with you that vaccines are effective and necessary I don't really want to go towards the direction of mandatory medical procedures. Don't want things to get Harrison Bergerony. ",
"I read vaccination as vacation and was so confused...took me a second look at this post to get it 😌",
"To be fair, the white man didn’t show up and save anyone. They brought the diseases. Not to mention the devastation and destruction that comes with pretty much wiping out a group of people to claim territory. \n\nAlso, I attempted to look it up. I’m not finding anything suggesting natives lived well into their 130s. Care to provide some sources?",
"At least they didn’t have autism though /s",
"That's absolutely insane. In my school of ~1,200 in the UK we had an assembly whenever someone died or something really bad happened. In my 7 years there one person died of meningitis and another person had brain damage after falling off a swing when drunk. They made huge deals about both incidents. They even made a huge deal out of it when there was a murder in another school in my town.\n\nIf someone had commited suicide or died in a drunk driving accident the whole staff would have gone into a fury making sure it didn't happen again. I can't imagine not noticing a death. Strange how there can be such a difference from place to place.",
"Uhh quintuplets exist...now you’ve really cursed yourself ",
"No I don't and unfortunately I am not blessed with any children (not because sex doesn't feel better without carrying out the act, but because I can't afford to give them the life they deserve). I know this doesn't credential me to comment specifically on having an austictic child, but I also don't see why I would need to have one. What does qualify me is having empathy for a child that is despised by their parent(s). \n\nDo you have kids? Autustic or not, they know and understand contemptous feelings. All I see is commitment to hating on his kid, and not on just one particular day, but over a percentage of that kid's life. I honestly would be happier if that person were just some internet troll trying to get a rise out of anti-vaxxers with a throwaway account.",
"Lol... it was definately sarcasm,",
"So sad 😞 ",
"Superbugs are from the antibiotics in meat and dairy. Do some research. Disinfo like that is dangerous. Superbugs are partly to blame, on a very small scale, due to people not finishing prescriptions and allowing a rssistance to be built. Has nothing to do with going to the dr too often. \n\nAnd taxing or not, to expect companies to take responsibility and better the world while not expecting ourselves to do the same is hypocrisy. What kind of responsibikity is generally irrelevant.\n\nCivilization been around for 300000 years. I used 50000 because i feel like the hunter/gatherer era was well before then. Hunter gatherers were waning and becoming more specialized at 50000 years ago. I wasnt talking about hunter gatherers. Im talking about actual formation of advanced societies and communities. And again, up until recently, doing things for others in your community was the expected norm because it was the best for the whole even if it hurt you individually a little bit. Society seems to be regressing in many areas and its not really a coincidence that selfishness and greed are well abundant in todays society. \n\nBut why have me moved past needing or having to help a community? You talk about how the hunks of meat aint necessary no more cuz we can all fend for ourselves. Why are you thankful weve grown past sharing and being a tight knit community of helping for the sole purpose of helping? You seem to think that a community relyi g on each other so all have a good life is a bad thing. It could only be bad if we are selfish and dont really care about helping anyone but ourselves. Its sad people feel that way in this day.",
">there is no privilege to living in ANY society\n\nWhat do you mean by that? Are you saying that no society offers better benefits to its people than another?",
"That's one complicated sentence (english isn't my first language - a comma somewhere might help).\nI'm not entirely sure what you're saying but if someone hits me with hard facts again and again, I can't say that I'm still right. \nThis picture is pretty hard and sad evidence that vaccines work. Stuff like this doesn't happen anymore, because of vaccines (that might be hard to grasp, but there is enough data in 3rd world countries). \nIf people stop getting vaccinated it will happen again and it already does. Just not yet to this extend, because people get quarantined pretty fast nowadays.\n\n\"OP\" could tell them either they have a very very low chance of autism* or they die one day at young age and might kill some children/people on their way, who can't get vaccinated, just because they didn't want to get stung almost painlessly for a few seconds.\n\n*probably as high as being born with it (so it's just not true)",
"That study is less legitimate than a 4th grade student's science fair project.",
"I believe the opposite is true, actually. I am ignorant of many things, such as quantum mechanics works. But I could look it up, ask experts, etc. And I would learn.\n\nIf I were stupid, I would be ignorant and would actively choose to remain ignorant.\n\nIgnorance can be cured with education. Stupidity cannot.",
"Your grandfather seems like such a good soul. I hope he is doing alright.",
"I think they meant that she’s in her 80s now, which would put the date in the late 40s early 50s when the sibling died.\n\nBut it’s weirdly phrased so maybe her parents are God’s ",
"I can believe it, my great grandpa had 10 kids, only 3 reached adulthood. This was around 1910-1930, my Grandpa was the youngest and only one still alive. Never met the other two as far as I recall, they died of natural causes before I was old enough to remember any of them. The rest died from drowning, disease, and logging accidents. Rural Oregon was pretty brutal back then. ",
"The thirteen year oldest daugher succumbed first and the oldest son last its tragic",
"Only two people from my HS graduating class have died. One got drunk and fell off a bridge onto a highway while walking home from a bar just a year after graduation.\n\nThe other shot himself in December 2013.",
"my grandfather had 11 siblings, within a month or two all of them (excluding him and 2 others) along with the parents died from tuberculosis, the remaining 3 were split up and sent to work homes. he didn't see his brother again until he was like 75",
"This crossed my mind too. ",
">atheist state group of terrorists invading the middle east\n\nCOUGH COUGH SOVIET UNION COUGH COUGH\n\n",
"No, I can't get the mud on flat even with a 12 inch trowel. ",
"One-year-olds have simple relationships with other people. They have things they like to do. They have substantial preferences which would be thwarted by death.",
"Anti-vaxers are probably like, \"I bet none of them had autism.\"",
"Here's another one that helped me, link at the bottom.\n\n> I break life down into five categories and if I am developing in two or more of those categories then I consider myself to be succeeding.\n> Financial | Romantic | Health | Social | Professional\n\nWhen something is super-stressful and I feel like I'm approaching catastrophic failure, I remind myself that even in the worst-case scenario, there are other categories at which I'm pretty good.\n\nhttps://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/7r9549/how_do_you_survive_working_in_a_job_you_hate/dsv6c0y/",
"Autistic screeching ",
"It wasnt illegal though. Wikileaks said they got their info from someone on the inside of the DNC. Aka, Seth Rich being killed is quite shifty. The fact Hilldog asked if we could drone strike where Assange was staying is a lot more dangerous. ",
"LOL you REALLY don't know what words mean. We've found our point of contention a while ago. Decent argument but you redefine words too much to suit your beliefs. Just state your beliefs and leave it at that. Now that I've caught you in this \"the freedom to do anything irresponsible can't exist\" fantasy, you're stuck and refuse to concede that you've messed up the definitions of words. You keep doubling down on a completely false premise.",
"But a mass extinction event could actually happen if herd immunity gets low enough. 😕",
"It's almost true nowadays. Most woman lose a child before the first trimester ends... Its just that nobody talks about it.... \n\nA young to be father came onto my job site about a week after his lady was pregnant and announced she was only a few weeks pregnant. about 2 months later he blew his head off because he couldn't handle facing the world and telling them his baby had never made it passed the first trimester. There's a lot of suicide in construction... ",
"Nobody's actually been judged yet, so I don't know how you can say He's been unjust.",
"Just poking the lolcow",
"You really went out of your way to not say whet gender your partner is.",
"During congressional hearings in June 2002, Congressman Dan Burton pressed government health officials on the safety of mercury in vaccines. He uncovered that thimerosal has been used in vaccines since 1929 and only one study was known to have been performed on thimerosal’s safety in all that time. That one test was done by thimerosal’s inventor, Eli Lilly, and much of the tests results were concealed because of the pending approval of a vaccine by Lilly using thimerosal.\n\nYou're basically agreeing with me.. huge super corp with billions invested pays off science to create studies that have the expected results. This is already a thing and there are countless examples of Big Pharma being corrupted by your exact analogy. \n\nFor example Medical Ghostwriters: https://www.forbes.com/sites/matthewherper/2011/08/10/a-former-pharma-ghostwriter-speaks-out/#b60b6a9528d6\n\n>It's not news that drug companies have hired medical ghostwriters to assist physicians and scientists in preparing articles for medical journals. And we know that this practice became endemic and sometimes far overstepped any reasonable boundaries. There have been cases where researchers were given fully completed articles and asked if they wanted to sign their names to them.\n\n",
"This is old Norwegian",
"Just imagining the mother's plight sends a chill through my spine. ",
"Read the lawsuit and findings I posted. ",
"Albacore tuna contains 0.32 ppm of methylmercury on average. Eating 600 grams in my entire life would expose me to a greater quantity of a more toxic form of mercury than a full schedule of vaccinations. The FDA says that 85 grans a month is safe for toddlers. Are you also trying to ban canned tuna? ",
"I didnt say it was or wasnt. It's based on the individual and their reasoning. ",
"> There is no “one, true Bible” ya twat.\n\nSure there is - you just haven't read the right one yet. I'm guessing you haven't read every variation (even unpublished) and evaluated it for truthfulness using the right faith. I KNOW based on how it makes me feel inside that my Bible is the right one - and it says exactly what I stated above. \n\n>Catholics (73), Orthodox, (78-81) and most Protestant denominations (66) all have different sets of books, and we all agree that all of them are fair to be considered a “true bible”.\n\nWait - so now there are hundreds of true Bibles? I thought you just said a second ago that there wasn't one..... and you called ME a twat.... \n\n> But guess what, all the difference in book numbers comes from the Old Testament, every single New Testament book is in every version of the Bible, and Jesus is only in the New Testament, and nowhere does it say what you thought it said and the New Testament is the only thing we all have in common with our Bibles.\n\nThat's just because you are only reading those infidel Bibles that were 'approved' by the Council of Nicaea - those are all incorrect in that they left out the parts about Jesus cursing people with diseases that end in ria (in English, of course - God's language). \n\nNow - you should go find the 'truth' brother - I'd hate for you to burn for eternity. Don't deny the truth - you'll feel it when you ask God for the truth. \n\nEither that - or it's all a bunch of horse shit and it is impossible to determine if ANY Bible or holy book is correct because it's all faith-based assertions wrapped in centuries of 'holy authority' and nothing else......\n\nTake your pick - but choose wisely! \n\n(please understand that I don't believe any of the Jesus cursing ria diseases malarky - I'm just taking the piss...... c'mon..... did you honestly think someone would believe something so ridiculous on faith alone? Wait.... people believe in the Flood narrative, and the existence of Moses, and that they are drinking blood and eating flesh on Sundays, and in exorcisms, and in magical places where you live for eternity - all on faith..... maybe my assertion wasn't as insane as you'd make it out to be compared to what other religious folks believe.... maybe?). ",
"honkey, please...\n\na cursory glance at our \"advanced\" society is enough to recognize that the rule of law has been usurped by the rule of the privileged\n\nto take just one example you cited, education, which I'm guessing you consider to be a privilege. \n\nI'm from Detroit. Detroit Public Schools, and the State of Michigan recently successfully defended themselves in a lawsuit claiming that this so called privilege is being broken by the city and the state being unable to provide even a modicum of literacy.\n\nSo, this privilege is compulsory to age 16. Under force of fucking law. Don't offer your children for \"education\" and you will become familiar with the inside of a jail cell. Yet no person will be held accountable for the school district failing in their mandated responsibility.\n\nI'm no anarchist (maybe), but it doesn't take a genius to realize that the privileges are mostly reserved for the privileged.\n\nNope, the reason that Cote d'Ivory cannot educate there population has much more to do with the refusal of the privileged to share resources.\n\n ",
"Butthole tastes the same, like pennies. Pussy can taste all sorts of tastes. ",
"With all due respect, I don't have the time to read 55 pages of a lawsuit in full at this exact moment in time to read about this risks you are citing. I was aware of this case and it's existence, as people who are anti-vaxxers tend to lean on that one case VERY hard.\n\n",
"Well in that case why does it matter whether the kid dies because of preventable diseases or physical intervention? \n¯\\\\\\_(ツ)_/¯\n\n",
"Obviously they don't think vaccines invented autism",
"What's your point then?",
"I don't follow.",
"I read it as \"when vacation wasn't an option\" and was thoroughly confused.",
"I'm not agreeing with you, you think that vaccines cause autism.",
"\"Vaccines Work - The Shocking Truth THEY* Don't Want You to Know!\"\n\n*antivaxxers",
"Yes. Because that was a long time ago. When leeches were a big part of medical procedures. You could do this all day, post something crappy from the past as a failed attempt at wit to point out obvious things in society everybody is already aware of. Man, you're really deep. Ya really got me thinking about vaccines now. ",
"Thank you for this. ",
"I'm confused",
"What?!?! That's so unhelpful haha... What a weird response to being paralysed.",
"Right, but at the same time, one war compared to how many under islam? There have been more wars to fight political ideologies that are only a century or so old. ",
"I've never seen diphtheria thank God, but I have seen infants with whooping cough. It's absolutely sickening to hear a 5 lb person draw a whistlely breath after they've almost passed out from coughing so hard.",
"Shit like this is exactly the reason I generally sort comments by controversial 😂",
"He wasn't the main reformer, he was the first to be noticed. He was actually fairly catholic himself. The true reformers were Zwingli and multiple monarchs",
"Hvil i fred.",
"> \"You aren't really a mother until you've lost a child.\"\n\nThis doesn't make any sense if you only had 1 child.",
"Not if the other one has actual puppies. We'll be living the good life off that book and movie deal.",
"Yes, it does. Why is that a bad thing? ",
"*could. They could still be shitty parents.",
"NO",
"Horrible, but not terrible.",
"Though ISIS is about religion, the soviet union was about many things, including religion. I can give you that.\n\nStill doesn't change the truth though.",
"I never said that. The study above did say there was an increase in children who were vaccinated who have autism (as well as many other ailments) vs those who weren't. It could be pesticides, vaccines and a slew of other toxins all together assailing the body which then may cause these disorders, but I have no idea. I'm just doing my best to read the scientific literature that isn't \"consensus science\".. bought and paid for just like tobacco science.\n\n>“I want to pause here and talk about this notion of consensus, and the rise of what has been called consensus science. I regard consensus science as an extremely pernicious development that ought to be stopped cold in its tracks. Historically, the claim of consensus has been the first refuge of scoundrels; it is a way to avoid debate by claiming that the matter is already settled. Whenever you hear the consensus of scientists agrees on something or other, reach for your wallet, because you're being had.\n\n>Let's be clear: the work of science has nothing whatever to do with consensus. Consensus is the business of politics. Science, on the contrary, requires only one investigator who happens to be right, which means that he or she has results that are verifiable by reference to the real world. In science consensus is irrelevant. What is relevant is reproducible results. The greatest scientists in history are great precisely because they broke with the consensus.\n\n>There is no such thing as consensus science. If it's consensus, it isn't science. If it's science, it isn't consensus. Period.”",
"Based on the definition, yes",
"Life expectancy has improved dramatically across the board. It really is one of the success stories of the 21st century. Yet all we do is moan about how bad the world is getting. Actually being born now gives you a better shot at life than any time in history. In almost all countries.\n\nCheck out Hans Roslings talks on this amazing revelation. If you care about this sort of thing it is very encouraging.",
"Ya, no that's an unusual experience..",
"I went one worse and assumed the parents went nuts and killed their kids because they couldn't have a break?! It wasn't until I opened the actual thread in utter confusion that it clicked.",
"Huh, that's interesting. I didn't realize the strain that causes pneumonia also causes scarlet fever. This is Streptococcus pneumoniae. The one I was thinking of is Streptococcus pyogenes which causes strep throat and there isn't a vaccine for that one. We were thinking of two different varieties.",
"See that's not what I'm concerned about. What I'm concerned about is if I have a child who's too young to get vaccinated and an adult allows their children to come play at my home around my infant who's too young to be fully vaccinated as vaccines are spaced out over several years, that means my young infant is getting exposed to things because that parent chose not to disclose that their child was not vaccinated. I am angry about this because I've actually been in this situation. It's a type of entitlement I don't understand. If someone wants to let their own kid be unvaccinated it's not really my business but if they withhold that information from me when they send their kid to my house and they get my infant sick then it becomes my business",
"Two people can be idiots!",
"Even *if* vaccines caused autism in *some* people, being autistic > being dead. There are plenty of high-functioning autists. It's relatively normal. I'm sure none of them would rather be dead.",
"Show me how and why? I'd love to learn how you came to that conclusion.",
"Reddit has barely even been around for ten years…",
"Underrated",
"This is the saddest picture ever",
"Rousseau wrote that when his 18th child died in infancy he was a little saddened but not grieved. (I'm having a hard time remembering the exact words.) Of course, life is always different for the very rich: other people, even your own family, exist mainly to serve you, and not as real people.\n\nNote: I've met rich people that this does not describe. They are what the wife of Levitt, the builder of the Levittowns after WW II, describes this way. \"We're not rich people. We're poor people with a lot of money.\" The difference is in the way they treat other people.\nI've also met poor people whose children are nothing more than unpaid labor, so they're just rich people without money. It makes you think the difference isn't really the money, but something about the people. (The technical term is narcissism. Growing up rich makes it easier to not grow out of the narcissistic phase of maturing. The 2s.)",
"The best way to explain it to people is through the concept of peak child which has now passed (maybe). Point them to Hans Rosling. \n\nMany people find it hard to understand, it's not intuitive to all.",
"And they're responsible for giving infants pertussis because they're entitled parents let their kids stick their grubby hands all up in an infant's face who was too young to get vaccinated",
"I have a feeling you think every scientist that gets government funding has a conflict of interest ",
"Worth noting: Balto getting all the credit was probably a good thing for Togo. Balto and his team basically ended up as circus attractions, lived in shit conditions, and eventually ended up in a zoo in Cleveland. Togo, on the other hand, went on to win a number of impressive races with his team, before retiring to a breeding kennel in New England where he sired a long line of successful racing dogs (unlike Balto, who had been neutered as a puppy).",
"That settles it. Vaccination needs to remain optional!",
"Vaccines don't cause autism but there's a really good chance that antidepressants cause autism",
"Do you have any evidence that I *was* trying?\n\nPlease provide evidence.",
"Read this as ...when vacation wasn't an option...wtf?",
"I’m capable of polite discourse. You quote a debate in one country, one with the money and luxury of having people debate the value of vaccines, one with a peculiarly venal health system while ignoring the many other countries where public health is not a bargaining tool. ",
"/r/unexpectedjihad is definitely a thing.",
"I read this as \"This is what happened when vacationing wasn't an option\". Very different and more confusing.",
"I hadn't heard that, source?",
"Except for those vials of smallpox we lost.\n\nOh, well. I'm sure it'll be fine.",
"Ditto. Have an upvote.",
">Immigrants! I *knew* it was them! Even when it was the bears, I knew it was them!\n\n-- Moe Syzslak",
"in a land of perfectly responsible people:\n\n1. everyone has perfect freedom\n2. there is no need for govt\n\ngovt is merely the reaction by society for the need to police the irresponsible amongst us\n\na society is free or not to the same degree it is responsible or not. your freedom is limited by those acting irresponsibly around you (requiring the imposition of govt and law enforcement to get them to stop impeding on your freedoms)\n\ndo yiu understand the relationship between respnsibility and freedom now?\n\nits not about goose stepping nazis taking away your freedom for lulz. its about the irresponsible around you impeding your freedoms and govt needed to get them to stop\n\nyou operate under a false definition of freedom. there is never freedom in irresonsibility",
"Well we don't really know anyone in common and I don't allow my child to play with that child anymore for that, and other reasons",
"Eating an object that goes through filtering steps to insure your immune system is properly used is different than injecting, directly into the bloodstream, a toxic metal (Bypassing all the years of evolution that insure that exact thing doesn't happen). It is so unnatural of an occurrence that a heavy metal like aluminum or mercury enters the blood stream by injection through the skin as opposed to the nose, mouth or other orifices. ",
"But he was still hungry!",
"I honestly doubt you were trying at all, hence me asking you to try harder. You have your logic reversed, but that's no big surprise now, is it?",
"Yeah, what did the farmers never pull out?",
"I spy a libertarian. Bravo and keep it up",
"Well, I’m glad you found out in time. ",
"I'd hate to say it but I agree with your grandmother's father's prayer. It's like, if god is gonna be a dick about killing my kids, can you at least be an efficient dick about it? Just take em in one fell swoop instead of piecemealing it. ",
"I have no Source I don't keep a list of sources available but also kind of just seems like Common Sense give how antidepressants are really pushed on pregnant women. Jenny McCarthy was on anti-depressants while pregnant and her child has autism",
"To ensure the safety of your child make sure you do not vaccinate them/they/zim/xir",
"I thought that's what a vaccine was?!",
"And fetuses don't because they're limited by the womb. ",
"amazing you just described yourself perfectly hun!!",
"It blows my mind that anti-vaxxers won't let their child have a vaccine but there are some who will take pills that will change the way your brain is wired and while pregnant no less. We used to tell women not to take anti-depressants if they were breastfeeding and now they are pushed on women who are breastfeeding and autism rates keep climbing",
"You aren't entitled to forcibly inject people with chemicals. I however, being born here and a US citizen, am very much entitled to live in this civilization. ",
"The truth that what? People with no affiliations, while just as dangerous, aren't part of a large group responsible for bad things?",
"You're only spreading someone else's knowledge. Repeating what you're told. This is what makes stupid people feel smart. ",
"Wtf is butt-chugging? Nm. I don't want to know.",
"Swollen lymph nodes here.",
"It *is* difficult to imagine. I strongly believe those of us who have had some of those diseases should describe them.\n\nMeasles was horrible. Your very skin hurt. I drifted in and out of a fever, in pain and hallucinating. I don't know how long it went on but my mom says 10 days. You don't want to eat, if the spots are in your throat, swallowing is like fire scorching the back of your throat. \n\nI don't remember a fever with mumps but imagine the biggest, throbbiest pimple you ever had. Now imagine it's the size of your fist between your ears and the back of your tongue. You can't get away from your heartbeat pounding, throbbing in your head. Swallowing feels like being stabbed. You can hardly take in liquid and no position is comfortable. It hurts so badly turning your head you jerk awake, sleeping only ten to twenty minutes at a time.\n\nRoseola and Fifths Disease? Itchy, feverish, exhausted, nauseated, & bloody if you scratch. I could go on. And these are the **mild** cases, easily recovered from with no complications. A kid in the neighborhood died from measles. I was really little: '63, '62 maybe? \n\nI had 3 kinds of measles, mumps, whooping cough, chicken pox and rubella. You don't want your kids to go thru that.\n\nEdit: mother reminds me I had strep that led to scarlet fever at 7. Did not affect my heart.",
"No problem, just doing my job. Millions of people get their daily dose of cancer on Reddit, and I’ve got to cure them, you know? By the way Joe, you’ve GOTTA stop that cocaine and meth addiction. That shit is BAD for you. May I suggest weed.",
"I know, my point still stands.",
"100 years ago the medicine was not so good",
"https://www.healthline.com/health/low-testosterone/testosterone-levels-by-age#aging\n\nYou don't need to do loads of research when the first link from a google search says you're wrong.",
"I'm going to start with the last portion of your comment. Needing help is inherently a bad thing. If you NEED help, obviously you don't have something you need. People sell these things that people need. Then, people who have given to society were given things back. Of course, some people were born into wealth, but that's how the people who made the money wanted to use it. Those people can be kind and give people who need things the things they need. \n\nCivilization has only been around since 3200BC. You were talking about when humans first emerged. Civilization isn't an inherent part of being human. We are however social creatures. We do love being around others. \n\nDoing nice things for your community should be the norm. I agree 100%, but I believe if someone doesn't want to give to the community, they shouldn't have to. I support making choices over being forced to do anything, even if those things are good. It'd be cool if people brought more food to poverty stricken people in 3rd world countries, but nobody should ever be forced to. \n\nI'll address the \"hypocrisy\" again. I never said we shouldn't do anything about the environment. I just said that companies that are kept in business by government, like some oil companies, are mostly to blame. Just because these guys are the worst, doesn't mean others aren't bad. \n\nI also never said food isn't necessary. Now, we just pay for it, and whoever grew it benefits. It's fair. \n\nThe super bugs thing is caused by a lot of things. Like super gonorrhea. Antibiotic treated meat did not cause that. People treating it with antibiotics is what caused it. Now, obviously it's good to treat it, but it showed that treating bacteria with antibiotics can cause super bugs. You were right when you said they're caused for the most part by treated meats though. I was actually unaware of that before you said that and I looked into it. Thank you. ",
"no i get it, it questions your beliefs and makes you uncomfortable, hence you wont consider it. its pretty common. \n\nIt is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. – Aristotle",
"I guess I'm saying that this is more a product of circumstance than privilege\n\nBeing born in the US is coincidental to the person born, the rights this accords to the citizen are inalienable, not a privilege subject to the whims of others. \n\nExcept that we can see that the privileged can decide that, for instance, if the government decides, in secret, that you are somehow a threat, they might imprison or even execute you without due process. And they determine this by using privilege to listen to your phone calls and read your email. Like common peeping toms.\n\nRun that bullshit on someone that believes that nonsense. The truth is that privilege was a really ignorant word to use.",
"The thing is, claims like that are bad without the science to back them up. You don't KNOW anything but you're talking about it. Drugs are constantly evolving and saying \"X is the cause of this\" without proof is EXACTLY what the anti-vaxxers are doing.",
"It isn't all about vaccinations. It was a different way of living, hygiene & sickness due to bacterial and viral infections.",
"I'm glad I was never vaccinated for that.",
"Cocaine is actually the secret to good health, and liqufied meth can be used as a mouth wash sooooooooooo\n....",
"\"Goes through filtering steps to ensure your immune system is properly used\" What the fuck are you talking about? There's no immune response to heavy metals, big surprise that you don't understand immunology at all. If your body is so perfect at \"filtering\" mercury when it's swallowed, then would you chug an old thermometer's liquid?",
"I know a lot of hipsters...and not a single one is an anti-vaxer. \n \n\"Hipster\" refers to a very specific subset of millennial culture -- it doesn't simply mean \"millennial\". You wouldn't assume that a Baby Boomer is a \"hippy\" simply because they're of that generation.",
"How many dihydrogen monoxide-related deaths will it take before we learn?",
"*Waves to the Newfoundlander*\n\nHey b'y!",
"Well, he's not well rounded as in being BMOC. But he's in age level classes, plays a musical instrument, is social and well liked. There are still some small perseverating behaviors, but nothing like the obsessive pinching, rocking and shuddering he did when he was much younger. As he's matured (12 soon) he's been more typical. His older siblings are neurotypical, but also can be a double handful at times just because :)",
"Meanwhile I don't even want to be pregnant once...",
"You're fucking kidding...",
"While her choices might have killed your grandmother sooner than otherwise, she wasn't at fault i would say, it was your grandmothers poor health that was her demise. She could have contracted a virus from a lot of things anyways, and while it is irresponsible to be sick and together with a person, who's health is weak, I don't think her lack of judgement took a life, rather just unfortunate events and her poor health killed her. Saying someones judgement took a life like that shouldn't be taken lightly.",
"Poor nutrition certainly played a part as well.",
"Because it doesn't hurt to know what you're putting in your body in case an issue pops up. Also there are experts with the exact same credentials and years of experience but with different opinions, not necessarily with vaccinations but in other medical fields, like for example brain cancer.",
"Ya well the vaccines usually cause more problems than they fix ",
"Exactly what it sounds like :-/",
"even when the ideology of the minority is hatred of homosexuals and oppression of women. It's why those particular left-leaners who look the other way on islam's ideological shortcomings are a great big pile of horseshit phony hypocrites.",
"A conflict of interest would be a study funded by the industry of the product being studied like tobacco. Funds earmarked by the government for a study are all good but should still be taken with a pinch of salt. Cause our government doesn't have the best record of honesty. ",
"I said I agree with you about vaccines. I said the line where freedom trumps duty and vice versa is a difficult philosophical problem. \n\nwhat the everloving fuck are you talking about?",
"Is anyone actually reading my post? For the last time, I AM NOT suggesting we give the government carte blanche to inject us with whatever the hell they want. I am talking about a series of SPECIFIC VACCINATIONS, that is it.",
"It’s all a matter of perception isn’t it. We freak out over vaccinations or lack of but allow a family to send over all their kids to Europe in the 1940’s to be killed. Perception is everything. ",
"I'm pretty sure they do understand the issue and weren't implying it was due to laziness or apathy.",
"36 hours of no sleep and no spell check. That's how. ",
">yet orthodoxy loves to claim that vaccines is what destroyed the diseases.\n\nNo, concrete scientific fact claims it. ",
"Since you failed to answer about you blindly believing fake news and simply redirected the burden of proof back to me, I'll consider you admitting that fact. Will you at least recognize you were wrong about what Trump said/meant? \n\nI could answer with an equally blatant attempt to dodge your statements/requests, but let's break them down and provide links. \n\n>You want to talk about fake? Alright let's talk about fake. You seem crazy about links. \n\nI'm not \"crazy about links\" I wanted to see where you got your information from, as it's a prime example of fake news. They purposefully took a misspoken quote from Trump, and put it in a light that seems to show that Trump made a speech 'about babies being born out of their mothers wombs \"in the ninth month\"'. This is a statement that could only come from someone completely uninformed about basic female biology, and that's what they tried to portray. I would even consider them successful in their attempt to smear Trump, as here I am trying to set straight what was actually said.\n\n>\"Babies torn from their mothers wombs at 9 months\"... please show me evidence of 9th month abortions that are so prevalent that the President thought it was an issue to talk about. \n\nThe way you phrased your request \"abortions that are SO prevalent\", can be broken down into two parts. \n\n1. You admit that late term abortions DO happen, which is exactly what Trump was saying. There ARE states that do not have limits on how late you can have an abortion, as explained by this report https://lozierinstitute.org/internationalabortionnorms/\n2. Your request will only qualify \"prevalent\" amounts of abortion. This is subjective, but according to data from the CDC (https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/ss6410a1.htm#tab7), 1.3% of abortions (6180) performed in the US in 2012 happen 21 weeks or later. The data also shows that only 5 states out of 38 reporting had 0 abortions after 21 weeks, that's 87% of states reporting at least 1 abortion after 21 weeks. I would consider this prevalent.\n\nI was not able to find any data regarding 9 months specifically, but assuming 36 weeks as being the latest possible week that a baby could be aborted without risk of natural birth, 21 weeks is 71% of the average gestation period. 21 weeks VS 36 weeks is only about a 29% difference.\n\n>THAT'S the real fake news here.\n\nNow my question to you is, how is the true intention of what Trump said fake news?",
"They always hated Holger",
"My bringing up the pneumococcus was just about your claim that \"we don't have a vaccine for strep\". You didn't specify which strep you were referring to, you seemed to be making a broad claim against all strep. Either way, we do have vaccines against different kinds of strep. \n\n> The one I was thinking of is Streptococcus pyogenes which causes strep throat and there isn't a vaccine for that one.\n\nDid you follow the link I gave? [Here it is again](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gladys_Dick)",
"Because he basically did say that if you had any kind of brains at all?",
"So what's this bad track record of the government giving shots?",
"That's incredibly sweet. And sad.",
"Linked to this translation on /r/Denmark, as someone was asking where the picture was from. ",
"I wish I was.\n\nHowever her daughter eats McDonalds daily... sigh. ",
"That's _one_ of the reasons why the US and Russian goverment keeps smallpox virus stocked: every so often an old lab is cleared out and some bottles of the stuff are found. Necessary to have samples to work with for a cure, if required.\n\nAlso to use for chemical warfare and because the other guy is hanging on to his stockpile, ofcourse.",
"I'm still up a couple of times a night coughing, feeling like I'm drowning in mucous. Otherwise, I feel fine. But I'm still having these random coughing attacks, probably up to ten times a day where I cough til I'm purple and peeing my pants. It's been godawful.",
"you said if there were no malice we wouldn't need government. I provided a counter example. that's not changing the subject.\n\nget rid of all forms of government and social policing and we're back to living in the dirt. ",
"> your freedom is limited by those acting irresponsibly around you (requiring the imposition of govt and law enforcement to get them to stop impeding on your freedoms)\n\nI agree. But some freedoms are also limited by government and law enforcement to keep you safe, keep society functioning, etc.\n\n> there is never freedom in irresponsibility\n\n You are using the word freedom wrong. If I have kids, it would be irresponsible for me to go base jumping, or alligator wrestling. But I am free to do those things.\n\n&nbsp;\n\nI think you're using \"freedom\" as one, monolithic thing. Like either there is \"freedom\" or \"not\". No. \n\n&nbsp;\n\nAgain, we do not have the freedom to drive drunk, but we did only a few decades ago. It was still just as irresponsible, but there were no laws on the books (or way less strict, less enforced laws).\n\n&nbsp;\n\nWe do have the freedom to go out in public while infected with the flu, despite the danger to infants or very elderly people. There's a degree of irresponsibility there, but we have the freedom to do it. Conversely, parents have the freedom to take their infants out in public despite the chance of them contracting infections from others. You could say there's some irresponsibility in that action, but parents are free to do it. You are being far too absolutist. We're not even arguing over vaccinations anymore, just over the definitions of words, which *YOU* are the one who has incorrect.\n\n&nbsp;\n\nDo you understand what these words mean now?",
"If you go through the royal families of England you'll find various families where they had no issue, even though they sometimes had up to fifteen pregnancies. Miscarriages, death in child birth and death of children were far too common. ",
"Yea that would do it.",
"There's actually a book I've had on my reading list that i\"ve wanted to read for a while, but have been going for the more \"popcorn-y\" type books lately. It's actually by one of my favorite Sci-Fi authors, Ken Macleod.\n\nIt's about a pill known as \"The Fix\" which cures most common genetic defects if a woman takes it when pregnant. The main character, a pregnant lady, is about to have her second child and refuses to take it.\n\nI often think about what could be in the book (non-fiction reasons, not something like the pill controls all newborn children letting the government do whatever it wants, or it's actually an alien parasite etc) when I think about things like this.\n\nBasically, I'm for vaccinating all people as long as we are sure the people getting them are not more susceptible to death or illness or injury than they are without it. But every time I go \"We should make it illegal to not vaccinate yourselves and family\" I think of that book sitting in my queue. \n\nAnd to me, this says that there are issues not just with freedom, but also knowledge, and the ability to choose. To you and I, vaccines are safe, and better than the alternative. But to the more uneducated people here, they may fear it because of some nonsense or a \"friend of a friend of a friend\" story. \n\nOver in Africa and other regions that have incredibly low education and literacy rates, vaccines are often feared as much as welcomed, from what I've heard. \n\nOne of my doctors, as a kid, had a ton of posters telling people to get their polio vaccines. The posters in his office were taken from the efforts in the 70's and onward to eradicate polio, especially in very very poor countries.\n\nI know what polio does because I've read a lot, but the main image when I hear \"polio\" brings up a picture of a poster. A young kid, perhaps 8, has a leg that is basically just bone wrapped around a walking stick, as a type of crutch. Even as a kid, I realized that leg was just bone, whereas his healthy leg had muscle. I barely knew what Polio was, though my doctor explained it, but regardless, I knew that that kid had suffered something he would never get over for the rest of his life.\n\nIf I recall what I've read, only educational campaigns in addition to actual medical campaigns were the reason people in these remote countries and regions actually got their kids polio shots. Still, even today, (look at the ebola stuff from a few years ago), vaccines are seen as stranger than witchcraft in some very impoverished nations, and witchcraft is often seen as more acceptable by those very same people. \n\nSo with all this in mind, freedom is important. So are vaccines. We cannot abide by a lack of either. Therefore, the laws shouldn't be strengthened, but the educational campaigns should be. The US should have posters of these diseases, like how we once educated poor countries in the same manner. \n\nWe should en-devour not to FORCE a vaccine, but to teach people enough so that they will line up to get the vaccine willingly. Otherwise, at what point are we forcing something (wanted or unwanted) upon a populace that needs it, and creating issues such as resentment or distrust? \n\nSure, vaccination laws would help us in the short run, but imagine your wife (or you) having a kid, and without explaining anything, the doctor cuts the umbilical cord, then injects your child with 3 syringes without even ASKING you if he could (even though you'd give him permission if he asked, even when the law states he must anyhow). \n\n/rant. Anyways, that's my 2 cents. I'd recommend you check that book out, not to change your view on vaccines and the laws surrounding them, but just to understand other people's points, regardless of if you consider them to be correct or not! Fear is a great motivator, and unfortunately it often wins against everything else. ",
"No, it has nothing to do with that. \n\nIt has to do with the fact that I'm at the office, and while I have time to respond to you for 4-5 minutes at a time, I can't sit and analyze a 55 page document for risks, which you won't provide me\n\nDespite the fact that I have provided evidence to you that directly refutes risk associated with a higher vaccine schedule, mind you.\n\nI'm not here to insult anybody's intelligence, nor have I insulted you. Yet, you instead choose to make presumptions about my \"educated mind\" because I don't have 20-30 minutes to read through a case filing on an opinion from a judge for a few pieces you're not willing to cite directly with me.",
"Oh absolutely. I just feel like medical consensus as well as demonstrated value point directly towards vaccination. Unless there's a family history of being immunocompromised or known allergies to the vaccine ingredients.",
"My Gran had 11 kids, only 7 made it through childhood. Different time's man, sad times",
"I love him.",
"I once called out a FB mom by basically saying 'so you'd rather your child be dead than risk hypothetical ills through vaccination?' She didn't take it well, lol. ",
"Well that’s where you’re wrong, buddy, because NOBODY gets to listen to me. I’m mute you insensitive prick!!",
"It’s called sarcasm. Risk vs reward is obvious, chance for autism (maybe) or death (right there)",
"Holy fuck I read that and got chills, goosebumps and my eyes watered. ",
"These kids all died within 4 days of each other.",
"No, I’m saying there’s about 3-5 different bibles, the number is how many books are in it and al of those are from the Old Testament, so it wouldn’t affect anything about Jesus.\n\nAlso, in the Bible it’s just “if you believe in God, you go to Heaven”, so I think I’m good and already have found the truth to me. I’m just saying that in no version of the bible does it say Jesus hates diseases ending in “-ria” because that just makes absolutely no sense.\n\n",
"But if he was God, then he's the one who made the rule about sinning and needing a sacrifice to save people. He made up those rules himself. Why does sinning require his sacrifice? And what kind of sacrifice was it? He gave up his earthly body a little early and went directly to heaven? If he didn't do that, he wouldn't be worshiped as he is today. You could argue that the sacrifice was inherently selfish. And he's still condemning people to eternal hellfire unless you worship him. He sounds more like a dictator to me.",
"There were 105 in my graduating class. For our 25th reunion we got sweatshirts with everyone's name. I was shocked by the number of asterisks. Unfortunately, I'd have to go find it to count, but between 15 and 20. 1 breast cancer, 1 suicide, the rest auto accidents.\n\nThe US is \"close enough\" to a stationary population that you can look at a US life table produced by the CDC and estimate what \"should\" happen to your population \"if you were average\". See this one for example. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr66/nvsr66_04.pdf. Slide down to table B. We're doing \"back of the envelope\" calculations, so we'll take our high school graduates to be 20. I went to an all white high school (well, one student was half-Mexican ancestry, so let's call it all white). Just divide the alive at 45 number by the alive at 20 number and get the probability of surviving 25 years. Multiply by 105 and get the number of survivors we should have had. Subtract from 105 to get the number of deaths we should have had: 5. The rest were \"excess mortality\". In my experience, excess claims come from one source: management incompetence. Of course, this management incompetence takes many forms (insufficient rates in order to gain market share, TPAs with insufficient oversight in order to gain market share, expanding into new markets that management doesn't understand in order to gain market share, simply lack of management control over underwriting and sales, and a whole host of other things). All of that is within a company context. When you are looking at a county, you have to ask why does a county have a high risk of motor vehicle death? (Or in the case of Nevada, a state. And in fact, single vehicle crash motor vehicle death.) As to that, I also have ideas, but I've already exhausted your patience and I would be crossing boundaries. ",
"I'm just basing my opinion on what's described in the bible. I don't have anything else to go on. Whether he's actually done it yet, or that's just his plan it's not cool.",
"Where I went to high school they used to say you're not a man until you get crabs. ",
"No it's a reaction to what is in the vaccines (again, public info), but there is nothing 'bad' in them. Only people that are allergic get an allergic reaction to them. I never stated that the authorities deny the existance of vaccine injuries. ",
"Great, now I'm crying. ",
"The FBI says Russian hackers breached the DNC. Wikileaks says it received emails someone inside the DNC. These could both be true. Either way I will believe the FBI and their investigation over wikileaks and their word. \n\nhttp://www.cnn.com/2017/06/27/politics/russia-dnc-hacking-csr/index.html",
"I hope you don't have kids and never will have. ",
"Yea, you're right, I mis-read what you said.",
"I will. I misunderstood them.",
"Sonofabitch I just put on eyeliner. ",
"Please please get your boosters people. I'm allergic to the vaccine so after my initial shot as a baby, I can't. It scared me every time there's a whooping cough outbreak around my area. More so now that anti-vaxxing is more of a thing. ",
"Julian Simon",
"Some people say 'it's not natural for a parent to see their child die before them.' I've always though that is a peculiar thing to think, as it has been that was for 99% of Human history; your child is no different to the billions that proceeded it to the grave. #Sad",
"Nonetheless, some women enjoyed sex, even 100 years ago. There were enough women 100 years ago that all your statements about \"many\" women were true for my understanding of \"many\", but I would certainly not be willing to put any truth value whatsoever on any statement that contained the words \"most\", \"women\" and \"sex\". Even if you produced evidence, I'd have a hard time believing it. (How would you check it?) So the best we can do, for 100 years ago, is say what people said publicly. Which is very different from what they truly felt and believed.\n\nNote that Margaret Sanger said in her speeches that she started working for access to contraception when the only advice (male, of course) doctors would give her on how to avoid the complications (often fatal) of self-induced (or back alley) abortions was \"abstinence\". Her patients were clearly not able to abstain. This was in the 1910s.\n\nFurthermore, it's been a \"problem\" since time immemorial to keep men away from women before marriage. If the women didn't want sex, it wouldn't be a problem.\n\nNo, clearly, many women enjoy sex.",
">No, I’m saying there’s about 3-5 different bibles, the number is how many books are in it and al of those are from the Old Testament, so it wouldn’t affect anything about Jesus.\n\nThere are hundreds of versions of the Bible - all with minor and/or major edits that sometimes entirely change the meaning of different verses. Most modern Bibles have additions that are known to have never been in the 'originals'....\n\n>Also, in the Bible it’s just “if you believe in God, you go to Heaven”,\n\nNo - it doesn't. It really doesn't..... Plus - there are literally hundreds of other pages with lessons, poems, laws, etc. that all shape the belief structure of 'believers' - do you just disregard everything in the Bible except the part that lets you think you get to go live in Heaven for eternity - simply for being born in a place where you happened to hear the right story?\n\n>so I think I’m good and already have found the truth to me. \n\nThe truth to you? For you what does 2+2 equal? Is that different than what - say - a Muslim would say? If not - why is the 'truth' about heaven different for the two of you? Is it a subjective truth? One that changes from person to person? That doesn't sound like a truth to me.....\n\n>I’m just saying that in no version of the bible does it say Jesus hates diseases ending in “-ria” because that just makes absolutely no sense.\n\nTell me how your belief that if you believe in God you got to Heaven makes sense..... because I have seen no evidence of this Heaven, or this God you speak of - much less any evidence that any entrance requirements passed down by people through the ages is 'right'..... \n\nThe point I was trying to make to you was that the thing I said (that - I agree - makes no sense what so ever) is just as sensical as 'if I believe this story I was told, I live forever in peace and harmony with the universe'..... If it's about what makes sense - then neither of these assertions make sense. If it's about what you want the truth to be - then sense/reason has nothing to do with it.\n\nRight?",
"The people who mention that there are a lot of variables to consider have a good point.\nhttp://visionlaunch.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/vaccines-england.jpg\n",
"Also - if you think changing the old testament doesn't change anything about Jesus - but somehow also believe Jesus is the literal same being as the god of the Old Testament - I'm not sure what you mean by 'wouldn't affect anything'...... It directly affects the story of the being you are pledging your faith to depending on which books are added/removed.",
"it is especially sad when they explain the whole painting to you and you're in junior high and you don't know how to feel about the whole thing",
":^) ",
"No I'm saying you're an asshole",
"It might simply for the fact you can't grieve when you still have a huge family to worry about",
"But there is a difference between someone being to stupid to grasp something or someone choosing to to be ignorant by refusing to even entertain others outlooks and views. My original statement was referring to the latter. ",
"Haha, right? ",
"Wikileaks has a 99% truth rating while the FBI regularly fucks its own citizens. ",
"And sourcing CNN is about as helpful as sourcing a 3rd grade writing assignment",
"Better standards of living, mass immunization, improved diagnosis, prompt treatment, and more effective health care have led to the decrease in cases worldwide.\n\nVaccinations are a small part in helping to eradicate it, though important nonetheless. \n\nSorry, just too many pro-vaccine upvotes on reddit. Expect some alternative views. Wouldn’t be surprised if big pharma is running a few thousand proxy accounts through third party subcontractors on the black market to keep the fear high. No different than Russian meddling in elections and fake news. Yet conveniently, reddit seems to always have a very black-and-white view on the topic. \n\nVaccines are important in helping to prevent many infectious diseases, but even the diphtheria vaccine isn’t anywhere near 100% effective, so the above family might have died nonetheless. There are many factors that helped rid the world of it, and vaccines are just a part of it. The headline is skewed, misleading, and clearly constructed to morph a very narrow view of how vaccines work. \n\nUnfortunately, there is no room for constructive discussion. On reddit you’re either chased off by pitchfork-wielding mob of like-thinkers, or you agree to join them. \n\nQuite sad for such a progressive site. ",
"This sounds like Jack London but I can't find the quote if it is. ",
"/r/gatekeeping",
">Again, we do not have the freedom to drive drunk, but we did only a few decades ago. It was still just as irresponsible, but there were no laws on the books (or way less strict, less enforced laws).\n\ngood, then you will understand when vaccines are mandatory\n\nthe only shame is it will take the death of dozens or hundreds of kids by irresponsible morons before we finally get action, just like with drunk douchebags murdering people\n\nand the only question is why so many morons dont understand that not getting vaccinated is the imposition on freedom, not an exercise of freedom, with all the inevitable pointless death of innocents that irresponsibility entails.\n\n\n",
"You deserve Reddit Red.... I mean gold",
"\nWomen have the right to reject fetuses, ergo doesn't anyone have the right to reject vaccinations?",
"Some truths here but I feel you're really lacking some historical empathy.",
"Yeah, I had whooping cough in middle school despite getting the vaccine. It sucked hardcore and a residual cough lingered for a good year or two.",
">What's your point then?\n\n\nYou are the one claiming to be much more intelligent than I am. My point should be very simple for a smart guy like you to understand :)",
"lol true, but at least those are confined. those other sites it is all over. i actually look at them from time to time to keep perspective",
"my gut would probably say \"look at all these people telling me it's safe, it has to be!\" ",
"Well this is Reddit not the United States Congress. No I'm not a scientist and I don't have the science to back it up and I'm not a professional debater but I for one would never take antidepressants while pregnant or breastfeeding or at all actually. I think my point is that when it comes to a lot of anti-vaxxers vaccines are evil but for some reason antidepressants are a okay? I don't get it Yu shun big Pharma with one hand and welcome them with the other",
"But I don’t believe Jesus and God are the same. I don’t believe the Holy Trinity is a single entity but rather three separate entities. ",
"Yeah, I would cough so hard I threw up. Made it really hard to keep the medicine down. I was so determined to keep it down though I would swallow my own vomit. It was a disgusting, desperate time. Luckily that phase only lasted a day or two.",
"Yeah I found out when my daughter told me that her friend said she had never been to a doctor after she had already been over to my house about 20 times",
"> \"up all night crying and fussing\"\n\nGuess its lucky you didn't say 'doh, of course she is, you just gave her a whole lot of (weak/inactive) bugs for her body to fight'",
"Just goes to show jesus and god doesn’t exist ",
"> not getting vaccinated is the imposition on freedom, not an exercise of freedom\n\nIt is both. This illustrates exactly how you don't understand the definition of freedom. Not getting vaccinated is an exercise in the freedom to not take medications you don't want to take. It's also, arguably, impeding on the freedom of everyone to live among a fully vaccinated population. Like all laws, one must weigh the value of each of those two freedoms, and decide which one takes precedence. I say your freedom to not be injected with anything against your will takes precedence over other people's \"Freedom to live in a 100% vaccinated society\", you believe the opposite. We've established this. Now stop getting the definition of Freedom wrong, and I can stop replying.\n\n&nbsp;\n\nEdit: \n> good, then you will understand when vaccines are mandatory\n\nI will *understand* it, I already understand why you and others would support this. It's easy to understand, but I'll never *agree* with it.",
"I think another term for it is alcohol enema. It's a way to make awful booze more palatable I guess.\n\nBy, uh, bypassing the pallet.",
"I had a lingering cough for at least a year. It would get really bad during exercise. Ugh, good luck, hope yours clears up soon!",
"Gotcha. Then we need different words to differentiate the two, because they suggest very different things. Too often people just use dumb/stupid/retarded/moron/etc. as a meaningless insult without actually realizing/addressing the issue.",
"There are vaccines for chicken pox AND shingles now. (two seperate vaccines)",
"As long as 90%+ of the population keeps getting vaccines, we are fine.",
"Yes. I also go out of the way to not say what my own gender is. I'm kinda a private person like that.",
"Okay sorry, I worded that wrong, I do believe in most things in the bible, but not all (Easiest example: The first half of Genesis). That’s my personal truth. The bible was written by men, not God. So I’m always cynical about the Old Testament and the stories in it. The thing with Religion is there is no right answer. There is no “one truth” (yes I know I’m contradicting myself), because sadly you can’t come back from death and tell about what happened, so we just believe what we want to believe in. There will never, ever, be a right religion, because we will never be able to know which of us is right until we’re dead. ",
"I hear what you're saying, but at the same time, she was a home health care aide who worked with the elderly. She knew she was sick and should have stayed home.\n\nIt just seems to me like she sound have known better. I know I'm also speaking from a place of grief but it's hard for me to see it otherwise.",
"Seatbelts don't have side effects....\n\nI'm not antivax I just think this talk about making it compulsory is purely sensationalist ",
"I suppose the 8 that have died are representative of the population.",
"Thanks for the info. ",
"Completely fair, but you see my point though right?",
"Pull out game must have been weak af in the old days.",
"Well, at the very least it was usual for the roughly 1,800 other teenagers crammed into a building built with an intended capacity of half that alongside me.",
"Whatever! Educate yourself! Big Pharma uses GMO kale, takes all the omega-23 nutrients out, and that makes the toxins more powerful!",
"Or you know, make it mandatory for children with legal repercussions for the parents if they don't comply. A child is not fit to decide it for themselves and a parent isn't fit to make decisions for that child if they unnecessarily puts them in harm's way. Measles is no joke and have already a confirmed kill from something that at 2000 was deemed eliminated in USA, why should I care about that? Since I'm not immunocompromised or living with an anti-vaxxer? \n\nBecause that's fucked up, it doesn't belong in a modern country. It's murder. The mass hysteria is real, it's just spread through social media than through your friendly neighborhood. [Does it mean we should put mother's in jail if they don't comply? YES!](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2017/10/04/a-mother-refused-to-follow-a-court-order-to-vaccinate-her-son-now-shes-going-to-jail/?tid=hybrid_collaborative_1_na&utm_term=.127c99eecfb6)\n\nAny means necessary means, jailing the parent, giving the kid the shot and then deem if the parent should get rid of being their legal guardian.",
"Translation of Sign as best as I can do (Using Google Translate): In memory of LH, Larsen and wife Emilie's five children died of Difteritis in Ugog.\n\nMarie Larsen Fri 10 Feb. 1888, d. 3 July 1903. \n\nHolger Larsen, October 26, 1890, d. July 7, 1903. \n\nAnna Larsen born July 19, 1897, 4 July 1903. \n\nKlara Larsen, April 26, 1899, July 6, 1903. \n\nEllen Larsen, April 6, 1901, July 1903. \n\nJesus stay with me",
"True. I think it depends on the person. Made it easier for me for people to have known. ",
"Using that logic, there is no purpose in technological and medical progress. Go live in the fucking woods and stop soiling Darwin’s name please.",
"home schooled?",
"But at least they don’t have autism 🤷🏻♂️ *sarcasm* don’t get bent out of shape you yuppies",
"I think most of us get that aspect. It has more to do with why didn't he pray for their strength, or help, and so on.",
"I'm not saying it's healthy in any form, I'm just saying that a heavy metal being injected into the bloodstream is much different than it entering through the digestive or other systems. \n\nWe're talking micrograms and ppm, you know that. You don't 'chug' that. It's completely different and you know it.\n\nedit: I'm also saying how great it is that we moved down to < 3 mcg from a maximum of 187.5 mcg previously. If you can't acknowledge that scientists across the board believe this is a good thing, then I can't help you. Real science is moving on without you (even though it is suppressed or not reported on).",
"Or you have that typhoid Mary thing where you carry the disease and pass it on but you can't get sick from it yourself.",
"Idiot",
"They're two, and they've mastered the Kansas City Shuffle...\n\nIf they aren't swapping classes I'll be disappointed.",
"Her active lifestyle is probably the best protection from a catastrophic fall at her age. Regular exercise will keep her muscles from becoming atrophied and help her maintain her stability while also strengthening her bones. ",
"I agree. We should all learn Greek. They have 6 translations for ignorant, which would fix exactly what we are speaking about.",
"Surely he had prayed for the strength of his 3 or 4 children... those were the words of a broken man. ",
"Before ovens the second greatest risk of death after complications from childbirth was to be burned to death because your long skirt caught fire while tending the hearth. ",
"TIL butthole tastes like pennies 😊",
"Now i gotta ask, got any change?",
"Yes exactly, we are so lucky now we think these things are just a matter of itchy bumps. I get why people think that and hope there's eventually better education on the very real benefit of vaccines. My 60 year old uncle has had leg braces most of his life due his mother not getting him vaccinated for polio. I'd say he's strongly in favor of vaccines. ",
"if you do something irresponsible, you are threatening someone else's freedom\n\nfreedom never includes the right to hurt someone else's freedom\n\nimmature wrong definition of freedom: \"i can do whatever i want\"\n\nmature correct definition of freedom: \"i can do whatever i want as long as i don't hurt anyone else\"\n\ndo you understand?\n\nthis is completely nonnegotiable, it's pure unyielding logic and you have to understand it or you are simply incoherent: there is no such thing at all as freedom without responsibility\n",
"In my opinion you are an asshole that doesn't let other discuss a matter and is rude about it.",
"No, many studies have shown that sanitation is what eradicated many old world diseases and viruses, not vaccines.\n\nFor example:\n\n>Polio thrives in fecal matter and is easily transmitted through human waste... India is the second most populous nation in the world, with an estimated population of 1.2 billion. Currently, 780 million Indians do not have a toilet; 96 million Indians do not have access to clean drinking water. In rural areas, open defecation is still more common than attempting to dispose of human waste in a more sanitary fashion, such as burying it.\n\nOr for Cholera:\n\n>Cholera spreads easily through contaminated water and food and kills very quickly; it often proves fatal within hours of the first symptoms of vomiting or diarrhea.\n\n>In 1854, yet another outbreak struck London, claiming the lives of tens of thousands of Europeans. In Soho, a suburb of London, there were more than 500 fatal cases of cholera in ten days.\n\n>According to Wayne W. LaMorte, MD, PhD, MPH of Boston University School of Public Health, the mother had emptied the baby’s diarrhea into the cesspool next to the well, and the cesspool’s wall was decayed, so the sewage was seeping into the well.”\n\nOr for Dysentery:\n\n>The Rwandan refugee camps set up in Zaire in 1994 struggled with outbreaks of dysentery. Sanitation was poor; the refugees defecated openly in common areas. Human waste built up in the same areas where the refugees drew water that was used for cooking and drinking. Heavy rain flooded the area and dysentery became epidemic, at its peak it was killing 2,000 people a day.\n\n>Refugee camps have always been a haven for diseases related to poor sanitation. Once U.S. and UN officials brought in purified water and encouraged people to use outhouses and latrines for defecation, the incidences of dysentery fell.\n\nTyphoid Fever:\n\n>The majority of the city’s sewage was directed to the Chicago River, which flowed right back into Lake Michigan, which provided the city’s drinking water. This, of course, contaminated Chicago’s drinking water and created a cycle of disease.\n\n>It took many years to solve the problem, but in the early 1900s Chicago modernized their water infrastructure. They reversed the flow of several rivers and streams, and as a result, typhoid fever and all other infectious diseases plummeted\n\nEtc, etc.\n\nScientific fact has shown time and time again, that proper sanitation and health were instrumental in stemming the tide of disease, period. Not vaccines. Never have, never will. Mark my word, vaccines will be exposed as one of the worst scientific failures of the 20 and 21st century. Matter of time until the scientific research and studies that already exist today, will be given light and show the error of orthodox (ie: pesticides, asbestos, tobacco, lead paint etc etc).\n\n\n",
"cringe :>",
"What do you mean there were no good old days? My family has been solidly middle class to upper middle class since the early 1600s, often living into their 80s or 90s. Life was good. (Relatively.)\n\nAnd the last two generations? A Parkinson's death at 67, cancer at 65, cancer at 65. Our life expectancy is going down. (Well, maybe. Small sample size, random variation, all that stuff. But going for the sound bite version*:) Life is getting worse for my family.\n\n*Or more realistically: My mind is made up, don't confuse me with facts.",
"Diphtheria is highly responsive to a targeted antibiotic.",
"Taking away ones rights is never the right reason. ",
"They believe that it numbs they brain making them obedient slaves for society.",
"You're saying arsenic isn't dangerous?",
"Everyone needs something. Needing things is not inherently bad. Its inherently natural. Humans need food. Humans need sickness treated. \n\nNone of this truly matters. This started from one of us believeing that healthcare is a right within an orga ized advanced 1st world society and the other believeing the opposite. Weve gotten off on a tangent for the most part. \n\n>It'd be cool if people brought more food to poverty stricken people in 3rd world countries, but nobody should ever be forced to.\n\nThis is a false equivalency. Im stating to help our fellow citizens in our society of the usa. Not to send aid to other countries. Ultimately, yes, thatd be great to do, though. A persons right to be treated when sick seems basic in every 1st world country but the usa. And its because we are a capitalistic society that cares about money and not people. It shows when we have laws that say corporations are people. Maybe nordic countries arent the richest, but there is a reason they are the happiest nations on the planet and when polled, universal healthcare is a main reason. \n\nIn 2009 alone, 45000 people died due to lack of healthcare. That is a disgustingly staggering statistic in the united states of america. Thats not 1st world numbers. \n\nHow do you feel about public education? Is it the governments responsibility to help educate the citizens? ",
"Have a child, thriving and healthy. Always said to be the smartest child met by other parents and asked \"How do you do it?\". About to work on my second child. \n\nI hope you live a healthy and happy life. See the difference? I love my fellow brother, you spit bile and wish malice. ",
"Really? Insulting me, with ableist undertones, in the context of this conversation, how very charming.\n\nI'm loling hard at your mindset revealing itself. Keep'em coming!",
"She had a big heart and a terrible name.",
"Dude.",
"Those are tricky questions that are meant for a theologian, but from my understanding, \"Jesus\" and \"God\" aren't identical words, but they are from the same \"thing\" (see: \"trinity\"). \n\nJesus is the Earthly avatar of God (i.e. the \"son\" of God). So imagine God creates the matrix, and somehow the files get corrupted, so in order to save people in the matrix, he has to upload a part of himself into the matrix to carry out a certain chain of events ultimately leading to his death. \n\nAnd the \"eternal hellfire\" thing is just one of many different interpretations of the afterlife, not all sects of Christianity are \"fire and brimstone.\"",
"From what exactly?",
"He could have remarried and left a widow, who then could have left the farm and been buried elsewhere. Sometimes you can find old marriage licenses online if you know the county they were issued in, it'd be so interesting to find out. ",
"Would you mind sharing a little bit of what you're smoking? Seems like it's the good stuff.",
"Hitting off this hard shit called \"facts\". They really pry open the mind and allow the truth in. It's the best stuff there is. Maybe you should try it.",
"do we really need to keep doing this? Can you just stop? How many more examples do I need to give proving you wrong?\n\n&nbsp;\n\n> \"i can do whatever i want\"\n\nThis would be, literally, pure, unrestricted freedom. Just because it's bad, and we don't allow it, doesn't mean it's not literally the definition of freedom.\n\n> there is no such thing at all as freedom without responsibility\n\nThis is false, you do not understand the definition of the word freedom. As I just gave several perfectly coherent examples of.... I'm not going to repeat myself.",
"I have four siblings. Oldest is close to 40, youngest nearing 30. So far we are all still kicking but I don't take it for granted I'm actually thankful.",
"A typical reaction when someone says they were wrong on Reddit is to do this. I may be an idiot, but you're a bad person.",
">>came with with diphtheria\n\nDiphtheria makes you do that?",
"Have fun burying your kids when they die \"naturally\" of polio.",
"Arsenic is dangerous in big doses, however small amounts of it are safe and are always present in our body; we are also exposed to it on a daily basis. http://chemsee.com/poison-detection/poison-detection-resources/chemnote-arsenic-poisoning/",
"\"Jesus becomes by me.\" What does that mean?",
"How is it His plan to damn people solely for not believing in God?",
"good, because you are utterly wrong\n\nagain:\n\nimmature wrong definition of freedom: \"i can do whatever i want\"\n\nmature correct definition of freedom: \"i can do whatever i want as long as i don't hurt anyone else\"\n\nlearn that or you mean nothing on this topic\n\nyou genuinely do not understand what freedom is",
"As a self-employed father of two, who last had a 3-day vacation about 8 years ago, I to, on occasion consider mass filicide, complete with a space-saving, depth-segregated burial.",
"Hopefully he grows out of his egg allergy and can be vaccinated later! ",
"Whaddaya at",
"I first read this as \"vacation\"",
"This is not terribly unlike buying new clothes. I don't have Asperger's (not implying that you don't). Of course, you can simplify by finding a quality tailor and having your clothes made to measure. Of limited value when the value of the clothing doesn't justify the cost. (I.e., it pretty much has to be something clients see.)\n\nA couple of years ago, I hit the roof and almost started screaming. NPR did an interview with a psychology professor (name now forgotten) who out and out said that anyone who ends up doing science or engineering has at least mild Asperger's. (He even used the words \"things not people\".) I don't think he actually said, but he certainly implied that anyone who is different has some sort of identifiable (and by implication \"correctible\", even if we don't know how yet) problem. I have been so mad both before and since, but never at someone who hasn't personally injured me or mine.",
"I see. It's very Erie because the lady in California's name was also Larson and lost a bunch of children.",
"So your saying that having autism is worse then death that is some grade a bullshit",
"Yep. I only find it laughable because sometimes you either laugh or you go crazy because of the frustration. She would rather trust random uncredited websites (that amounted to little more than what would have been comparable to a Wikipedia article for all their scientific reliability) over me, someone she knew has a degree in biology and the ability to find and critically analyze scientific research papers.",
"It really doesn't matter you're allowed to have your own opinion and I'm allowed to have mine",
"“Jesus stays with me” would be more corrtect",
"Oh ok.",
"TIL that insane people think autism is worse than death ",
"Yeah that's true. Changes the perspective pretty drastically.",
"No, because vaccines don't cause autism. I was being sarcastic. ",
"If you don't understand me then how about shutting the fuck up. Because I understand you quite perfectly, you are dumb. And your stupidity is showing now more than ever.\n\nI am reporting your stuttering requoted retarded spaghetti code as spam. This numerological cult science nonsense will not pass as human communication.\n",
"Did Texas pass that law that said you have to bury aborted fetuses? I'm assuming it included naturally aborted fetuses. So that means that if you tell someone you're pregnant, and then you don't give birth, you have to explain why there's no grave, right?\n\nNot really picking on Texas, no not really, cause Texas legislators aren't really stupid, no, not really, no they're not, not really.",
"Grandpa's simultaneously a wonderful and awful person so it's hard to say with him. (Like, on one hand he's super generous and looks out for his family no matter what. On the other, he was physically abusive and encouraged my mom's psychotic sister to target her. And while he hates Trump and is all for women's rights, he's also proud of being racist, homophobic, and a general bigot. How do you classify a person like that? You can't.)\n\nHe's mellowed with age, though and is doing amazingly well for 90. Over fifty people showed up to his birthday party last summer because despite his bad parts, he's done a lot of good for a lot of people.",
"> you genuinely do not understand what freedom is\n\nThis is so funny to me, because it's the complete opposite. But whatever, can't keep doing this. I've laid it out line by line exactly how you're wrong, and you just keep repeating the nonsense you've made up to redefine freedom. Good luck in life, please don't run for office, or vote for that matter.",
"> There will never, ever, be a right religion\n\nYet you believe in one anyway - so you believe in a 'wrong' religion. \n\nTake some time to soak in that I think this is a bad idea.....\n\nNow - why do you believe what you believe? If you truly believe the Bible is the one true way to Heaven (even though you seem to think there is no true religion.....) why have you not studied every page of every manuscript that went into that book? Why do you trust previous editors/scribes/kings/etc. that influenced what were in the book?\n\nWhy do you believe the latter half of Genesis - or Exodus for example - if there is no evidence that Moses existed at all? if you choose to believe in Moses on faith - simply because it's in the Bible - but not choose in creationism too? \n\nedit: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moses#Historicity\n\nWhat are you using to pick and choose which parts to believe? \n\nIf someone else uses faith to believe in the beginning of Genesis - or let's say in Scientology - are they more or less 'right' than you? ",
"Flu vaccination is not forced though. The ones that are forced typically only require a one or 2 time vaccination. Ever hear of anyone in the U.S. getting mumps, measles, or polio? Of course not, Science squashed these.\n\nThe flu shot is an inert version of the virus... People are fucking insane. Sure they could find something wrong with it down the road, but what LEGITIMATE evidence is their currently?",
"Why do you believe that?",
"wow ok!!! well you have fun dealing with your autistic kids then!! 🙃",
"Women have the right to reject fetuses, ergo doesn't anyone have the right to reject vaccinations?",
"What is up with all the feels there Mr copypasta. It seems you cannot handle an adult discussion about baby making. I don't want these lame ass scripted lines. You going to send me a dick pic now? I'll chop that thing right off. Maybe we should get a mod in here to neuter you so you stop sending out all this copypasta splooge.\n",
"Yeah but reading the comments here is scary, like pre-Nazi stuff. People don’t want to listen to science unless it backs their stance and people are afraid to stand up and ask questions at the risk of being verbally lynched.... it’s fear mongering leading to public hysteria. This won’t end well...",
"I know, right. ",
"Still sounds high for a developed country, without having any comparisons in front of me.",
"Hahaha no danger, I will admit I intentionally worded it quite vaguely :P but yeah, screw anti-vaxers.",
"I blame you for their deaths @bassnote1 its all your fault because you are weak and human. Deal with it crybaby.",
"Those “strategies” are just myths though. A woman can get pregnant an any point after puberty and before menopause, and breastfeeding in no way prevents pregnancy. Lack of contraception was definitely reason #1 that people had so many kids though. If you didn’t want them you would’ve had to have been infertile or just not have sex at all (or get reeeeaally lucky).",
"Nobody is more right then me, and nobody is less right then me, we all believe in *something* and none of us know for sure what.\n\nI’m not saying my religion is wrong, just not right. I will never know if it’s right or not until I die.\n\nI have no solid way of choosing what I believe in the Bible and what I don’t. I believe whatever feels right to me, that doesn’t mean I’m right but nobody knows if I’m wrong. The main part of Genesis I don’t believe in, is (obviously) the idea of Adam and Eve being the first humans, I’m fine with believing they committed the original sin, but the idea of God creating those two and just kinda leaving it at that, I don’t believe.",
"I wish there were a vaccine to protect against trolls.",
"Yes, it is. That doesn't change the fact that so is the vaccine against it.",
"i may run for office and i will vote, i understand freedom\n\nagain:\n\nif everyone were perfectly responsible\n\n1. everyone would have perfect freedom\n2. there would be no need for govt\n\ndo you understand that thought experiment?\n\ndo you really?\n\nif you do then:\n\nyou understand the relationship between responsibility and freedom, and why irresponsibility is not a FORM of freedom, but the OPPOSITE of freedom\n\ngood luck to you, because you currently do not know what freedom is conceptually, you have an immature definition",
"How did they get Diphtheria? From birds? rats? Aliens? Manmade? I Googled it but found no answer.",
"I just looked one up of a toddler with it and you can see so clearly that he's suffering and *panicking* because he's suffocating. Seeing a little kid scared like that is horrible and it's even worse for infants, I can't imagine that. ",
"Two reasons.\n\n1 (the most defending point): Jesus prayed. If Jesus was God, why would he pray to... well himself?\n\n2 (less of a good point and just personal thoughts): Jesus cried when his half-brother died. I just don’t think God would cry when it comes to death because, you know, *Heaven*.",
"That's why people would have such large families back then. You could be almost certain that a percentage of the kids would die from one disease or another. It really wasn't until the advent of sulfa drugs and antibiotics that you start seeing the typical American nuclear family.",
"Inane and pointless arguments about semantics are pretty fuckin dull, particularly when arguing with an idiot who's wrong. That wasn't my definition, it was copy pasted from Google. Maybe try it sometime.",
"Oh boy :( that's what's happening with my daughter. Especially if she runs around outside in the cold air. My doctor calls it the 100 day cough. I certainly hope it doesn't last as long as yours, it's been awful having to buy Depends so I don't pee my pants every time I cough.",
"I love how the plaque starts with Today I Learned.. didn’t know Reddit was so strong back then. ",
"This’ll get buried but fuck it.\n\nSo when my family moved across country we took a drive and detour to try to find the first “family name” grave in the United States. We never found him, we found 36 graves of people 12 or less from our family in mid 1800s. Through years of research from most our family we’ve realized that’s why our family name pretty much is non existent now. There is only 12 of us left in the United States, 15 we know of in the world. Only 6 are directly related to me.\nA little side note: If I don’t have kids, the family name and bloodline will die with me.",
"My comment had nothing to do with vaccines and everything to do with the loss of a child. I can’t imagine, because even witnessing someone go through that does not come even remotely close to actually experiencing it. I have a friend who lost his teenage son. No knowledge of that situation could ever give me insight into what my friend went through.",
"I'm not a doctor, I am just quoting the numbers I found from medical journals and NPR. ",
"*shrug* I got the numbers from NPR and a medical journal. If it's not right, it is on the information I got. ",
"Since the dengvaxia fiasco, I am afraid this will start happening when parents start to doubt vaccines. ",
">I believe whatever feels right to me, that doesn’t mean I’m right but nobody knows if I’m wrong. \n\nDoesn't that seem a bit..... sloppy?\n\nDo you do this with anything else? If a teacher tells you that 2+2 is 4 - do you just choose not to believe that? or if a parent tells you fire is hot - do you just choose not to believe that? \n\nUpon tests you'd find that 2+2 always =4, and fire is always hot (well - given a few constraints that we're talking about open flames you'd find in normal environments at least). \n\nWe can know these things to be true. They will always be true. They always have been true. \n\nRegarding religious beliefs - you are basically saying \"Well - I just believe what I feel like\" - but have you ever subjected yourself to studying other religions to see if those 'feel real' too? They might feel just the same - especially if you spent any time in a society where that religion was 'normal' (like if you lived in Utah and went to Mormon churches - or grew up in the Middle East and always went to Muslim prayer on time with your parents). \n\nThis 'feeling right' doesn't have any relation to truth in reality - so why believe things like that? I love this quote often attributed to Marcus Aurelius (although we don't know where it really came from):\n\n>Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones.\n\nWhy isn't that good enough?\n\nYou might ask \"Why do you care what I believe or don't believe?\"\n\nI care because laws are made by people that believe terrible things on faith. People are murdered, or denied rights, or made to hide the fact they question these beliefs all based on faith-based beliefs supported on nothing more than \"this feels right to me\" by the law makers or the religious leaders of those folks or their constituents..... Truth matters - and we can stop believing wild, awful things if we could just drop the faith-based drivel that is religion and use reason and evidence to guide us. \n\nThe more we move towards faith and religious dogma - the worse things get (see the Crusades, Inquisitions, or the Middle East today). The farther away we get the longer we live, the happier we are, and the safer we tend to be (see Japan, Norway, Canada, Sweden, etc).\n\nI just don't understand this desire to hold onto a belief simply because \"it feels right to me\".\n\nLet me ask this - would truly believing you're inheriting a billion dollars tomorrow make you happy? Would it feel good to truly believe that? Probably - so why don't you? Likely because there is no evidence this will actually happen - right? \n\nThen why believe you'll be rewarded in Heaven for eternity for believing some unbelievable tale? Isn't it the same thing?",
"I'm not claiming to be more intelligent than you. You don't even have a point. If you do, what is it?",
"They were following letters that had been sent back, and gave their sirname in the town where the letters ended. Everyone said \"Oh the [redacted] plot.\"",
"Oh jeez. ",
"How do you know these two things actually happened?",
"I don't know how old he is, but you're friggen crazy lol.",
"I'm down t'tha Duke on George St. \n\nNot really but oh I wish I was!",
"Jesus abides, min mor says.",
"Once again, that's not how birth rate works.\n\nHaving a low birth rate doesn't mean your population **is** going down. It means it **will** go down, discounting immigration anyway.\n\nSouth Korea's native population will be in free fall when current generations start dying. That just hasn't happened yet.\n\nWhen the baby boomers start dying at a substantial rate you're going to see the non immigrant population of the US start doing the same thing.",
"I am so sorry. I wish I could help.",
"First of all, quote a source. For all I know, you could be talking out of your ass right now. Also, just because those chemicals in the vaccine make up a harmful compound, the chemical itself isn't harmless. \n\n> \"denatured\" (fragmented and weakened form of the virus \n\nIt's not 'weakened' it's sterile, unable to reproduce, unable to do any harm. Sure, vaccines do have negative affects on people allergic to them, but that's not a problem with vaccines in general, that's a problem with that one vaccine, with a very, very, small percentage of the population. And what's better? Dying of polio, or getting sick from a vaccine? Vaccinate your kids.",
"But the verb *att bli* means 'becomes', not \"stays\". At least in Swedish.",
"> I'm not claiming to be more intelligent than you. You don't even have a point. If you do, what is it?\n\nYou labeled me unintelligent, which implies you think you are more intelligent than me. My point should be able for a smart guy like you to understand without me having to spell it out for you.",
"Arguing with overpopulation freaks is pointless, I put this stuff out there for people who aren't idiots. ",
"But then retards like you wouldn't exist....",
"Grieving is an important process, so...might actually make it worse. ",
"Still avoiding the question. What is your point? If you don't have one, this argument ends here.",
"That's not what \"any means necessary\" means.\n\nThere is no mass hysteria *from the anti-vaxxers*, anti-vaxxers barely exist in the first place. You're making a huge, extreme deal about a small issue that can be addressed totally reasonably and rationally.",
"I don’t actually know if they happened. It was in the bible and I believe in the New Testament.",
"Put those points into conjuration, that way you can get an autistic Daedric Warrior",
"Try make a better argument than shitty insults m8",
"They actually do have side effects, people sometimes end up dead that could have survived, and they cause injuries as well.",
"Why does my suggestion education be your guide to vaccine use require an assault or verbal insult from you ? My children are fully vaccinated. i suppose i should wish some horrable death upon your offspring as well...",
"I'm not even arguing. You are. Calm down.",
"If they had vaccines they could have lived.",
"I am sure that you think that Jenny McCarthy has worth to the world and should spread her genes. To me though, if people like her want to cut short their effect in the world, I am more than happy to allow it. \n\n",
"The Duke is a good one... it's on Duckworth Street, though! If you ever want to reminisce it features heavily in a show called Republic of Doyle. They shot there a lot until they eventually just built their own version of it on a sound stage.",
"You have a good heart... and you’re appreciated. ",
"Nope.\n\nThen you misread or mistyped them. Read again.",
"I don't know about elsewhere in the world but I think in the UK, chickenpox was colloquially called \"German measles\" despite being quite different diseases.",
">Doesn’t that seem a bit... sloppy?\n\nIt’s what I believe in, I don’t care what you think about that, personally I like being skeptical of things in the bible, if I took every word of it for truth, why bother doing anything in life?\n\n>Let me ask this - would truly believing you’re inheriting a billion dollars tomorrow make you happy?\n\nGod no. I’m already happy in my situation, that much money would go to my head and destroy most, if not all, my relationships with people.\n\n>If a teacher tells you that 2+2 always =4, and fire is always hot [...] do you just choose to believe that?\n\nWell the thing with that is there’s evidence of fire being hot and that math comparison is just a stupid one since if somebody got every human on earth to believe 1+2 = 4, then that would be accurate, since Math is part of language and really is just a stupid comparison.\n\nAnyways, religion is completely different from those things because there is zero solid proof (in the modern day) that God does or *does not* exist. I choose to believe in that, but it doesn’t affect how I act, usually not what I think (I’m a cynical believer, if I’m not questioning something in the Bible I’m doing something wrong).\n\nThere’s no reason to believe God will punish me for not fully believing in something I haven’t seen, you know why? Because it’s in the bible. (John 20:24-29)\n\n> Now Thomas (also known as Didymus), one of the Twelve, was not with the disciples when Jesus came. So the other disciples told him, “We have seen the Lord!”\n\n>But he said to them, “Unless I see the nail marks in his hands and put my finger where the nails were, and put my hand into his side, I will not believe.”\n\n>A week later his disciples were in the house again, and Thomas was with them. Though the doors were locked, Jesus came and stood among them and said, “Peace be with you!” Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.”\n\n>Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!”\n\n>Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”\n\nYeah yeah that last line partially contradicts my statement, but at the same time there’s no reason to think you’ll be punished for being a cynic and not fully believing in the bible, since God is the ‘ O Merciful one’.",
"Because people obtain no educational value from that kind of one side b.s. \n\nI'm glad you have your kids vaccinated. But people who go around promoting any kind of misinformation that leads directly to children dying horrible deaths from preventable diseases gets me angry. In that light I feel I was quite restrained.",
"I am perfectly calm, and not all arguments are inherently negative. I ask you again. What is your point?",
"How exactly is the death of a child, whether it’s the first born or the 17th, different? \n\nI’ll wait here",
"Well I mean think about it, humans are the only species where losing a child is even moderately out of the ordinary",
"You're twelve??",
"> I ask you again. What is your point?\n\nI am simply stating facts. One does not always need to have a \"point\" when talking about ideas.",
"forced injections are a human rights violation. period.\n\nI fucking dare you to spout this arrogant, ignorant garbage a parent of a vaccine injured child.",
"Gotta love Scandinavia And The World :)",
"Man, people today think diarrhea is just the good old fashion Hershey squirts, but as early as 70-80 years ago (maybe less?) diarrhea could kill you. ",
"I think some are. They (and I think honestly, except for Andrew Wakefield) believe that the deaths in the past from not vaccinating are either the same or less than the deaths and disabilities in the present from vaccinating. Plus, no one made money from \"natural death\" and the drug companies are \"getting rich\" on the vaccines. (Which, by the way, is not true.) So to their innumerate minds, going from the current situation to the old situation would be a fair deal for society.\n\nThe other large segment of anti-vaxxers is the \"free choice\" segment. They want a free ride. They want most of society to vaccinate their children, to provide herd immunity, but they want to not vaccinate their own, so that they don't have to take the risks (both perceived and real) that go with vaccination. So what they're doing is trying to keep (or expand) individual freedom.\n\nWell, I want a free ride too. I want a Tesla Roadster at a Kia price. Life doesn't really work that way. If too many people cheat the system, the system breaks down. (The problem with American politics right now is that we keep finding one person \"cheating the system\" [possibly legally, so it could be legal but immoral], and so completely changing the system so that that cheat is not longer possible. But we make the whole thing completely unwieldy.)\n\nAnd of course there's Andrew Wakefield. When the measles outbreak occurred in the Minnesota Somali community, his response was \"Not my fault. They made their own free choice.\" So if you choose to expose your children to the terrors of government-inspired vaccine horror (which he tells you all about), that's because you're a bad parent. But if your child succumbs to a childhood disease because they didn't get vaccinated, well, you were fully informed and made your free choice. Thanks for your help. No wonder they took your medical license away. Doctors make mistakes. Quacks kill for profit.",
"Right, no one ever brings it up because who would? Even as a parent who has lost a child I wouldn't bring it up to someone else who had lost a child. They might be having a good day. Anyway, I'll talk about it a little bit. I found out halfway through my pregnancy that my daughter had Trisomy 18 and was non viable. I was advised to have an abortion by my OB, it would be covered by insurance in my case. My other two options were to be induced early or to finish the pregnancy and if my daughter survived birth she would never leave the hospital. I was pro-choice before and I am even more pro-choice now; however, my choice was to not have an abortion and instead to be induced early. There's a lot more to the story and a lot more to the reasons I made the choice I made but I believe that when you're faced with having to make the most horrific decision you'll ever have to make you should have as many choices available to you as possible.",
"Dear God, if you are truly omniscient and omnipotent, fuck you for letting my baby girl die.\n\nAmen.",
"What are you talking about? Are you legitimately retarded? ",
"For some value of high. I believe it was 100% over a portion of its range. (I know, I could look it up. Would that be cheating? [Actually, if this were a research paper, I'd have to.])",
"Don’t forget hygiene. Indoor plumbing cannot be undersold. People used to quite literally throw their bed pan contents out into the sidewalk/street every morning, *and it was the normal thing to do with ones waste.*",
"That’s why some people don’t like fluoride? That’s even dumber than anything I could have imagined.",
"How many of you are still around? What happened to your brothers, if you don’t mind me asking?",
"My experience is limited to the United States, sadly.",
"Exactly",
"Its danish..\n\n",
"People that advocate for not vaccinating their children. \nTheir children will die and genes will not pass on. \n\nWhat exactly was confusing for you? The subject? Genetics? Who Jenny is with regard to anti vaxxers? What?\n",
"It's still excuses. How desperate are the people that voted for him. Were they destitute, going hungry? Were they living on the streets? Perhaps getting gunned down in the streets unarmed? None of that. Yes, they have been going through some hard times but nothing so desperate that they had no choice but to vote for Trump. There's a difference between having to make a terrible choice and just not giving a damn about the consequences of your actions as long as you benefit.",
"When he was about 6 months old, Seppala gave him away for being a mischievous pup. Seppala deemed him unsuitable to be a sled dog. A few days later, Togo jumped through a glass door of his new master's house and returned to Seppala.\n\nI love this dog too. The more I read about Togo's story the more I love him.",
"I believe Larsen is one of the most used last name in Denmark. No chance of that name dying. ",
"You think an acceptable risk of sex is death, but only for the woman?",
"A lot of that is just completely random deaths and has nothing to do with anything. You are loosely connected to, or were an acquaintance to a bunch of people that died. Why is she appalled at any of this? I think that is the bigger question she should ask herself. Just because she hasn’t been exposed to much death, doesn’t mean that applies to everyone, not should it be considered the “norm”. ",
"The more people are not vaccinated, the more danger EVERYONE is in. It's not just anti-vaxxers whose children will die.",
"Oh my God imagine the guilt if your baby died because you were unable to produce enough milk :( I don't think any mother could get over that. ",
"I'll add it to the list next time. ^_^\n\nThe English language has far too many names for that part of the body. I mean, it doesn't even come up all that often in conversation, and we've already got a dozen names for it. We don't even have that many names for our nipples, and they're much more worthy of comment, in most situations.",
"You've just proved me right. You did no research. You check first link in Google and believe it explains everything.\n\nThat's the opposite of research. Research means finding more than one source, comparing them and taking conclusions out of your findings. \n\nhttps://www.menshormonalhealth.com/normal-testosterone-levels.html\n\nBottom 5th percent for <25 age level is 408ng/dL. Even your own source says:\n> The normal range of testosterone levels in healthy adult males is between 280 to 1,100 nanograms per deciliter (ng/dL)\n\nDid you even read the source you've linked to?\n\nOn top of that you haven't addressed my other point. Case closed as I'm not going to play a cat and mouse game on a mainstream sub.",
"You misspelled \"antibiotics.\"",
">bought blood samples from his kids for $5 friends at a birthday party and showed no concern about patients well being... Among other things.\n\nWhat?\n",
"Well, there's Richard Dawkins, for one. I take it he had a bad experience when young and now he feels a need to take it out on all religious people.",
"Sources please",
"I love that show. It helps I'm a huge fan of Alan Doyle and Victor Garber. \n\nDang, I could sworn it was on George. I'll have to go back and refresh my memory.",
"It's not unintentional. It is blatant lying. Saying a baby is torn from its mother's womb at 9 months is incendiary, stupid and most importantly, a flat out lie. He made a gaff but even his intended statement is a lie. 9th month abortions are not a thing. Not anywhere. Why would a President say that in a prepared speech?\n\n> but assuming 36 weeks as being the latest possible week that a baby could be aborted without risk of natural birth\n\nWhere are you getting your assumptions from though?\n\n> 21 weeks is 71% of the average gestation period. 21 weeks VS 36 weeks is only about a 29% difference.\n\nAKA a whole trimester....Personally, i don't think abortions should be happening after the first trimester but then again, i will never carry a baby so what do i know?\n\n\nListen, the man said 9 months. 9 months is not equal to 21 weeks. You have to wonder why every speech this liar makes, even the prepared ones, has to be re-clarified and restated by everyone but himself. \n\nJust admit, he was talking out of his ass",
"Yeah, this is what happens when your government lies to you.",
"So no answer eh? You should be a politician, dancing around a simple yes or no question.",
"Psycho-Moms treat vaccines like they do Gluten.",
"1200 kids die of diarrhea diseases EVERY DAY, RIGHT NOW. This is not a problem of the past, sadly https://data.unicef.org/topic/child-health/diarrhoeal-disease/ Here in modern places we can get medicines and hydration with a simple trip to the store. We can and do prevent most cases with clean running water, hygienic toileting, and a well-fed population able to fight off infection. All of that is out of reach for way too many kids.",
"It’s in the verse that all the proselytizers use. Mark something. ",
"Im just a Norwegian dude that is pissed off that measles are returning to Skandinavia because people refuse to vaccinate, when there is so much proof that vaccines really work. Because of mordern medicine, horrible tragedies like this dont have to happen again. ",
"User name checks out. ",
"Back then, people married much younger, the older ones could've easily had kids of their own. My great great grandfather had a career, home, married, and I believe 1 kid by 15, according to my father at least.",
"Troll.",
"I would say your whataboutism and deflection is whats most confusing, but okay, I'll continue on your weird tangent.\n\nWhat makes you think I support Jenny McCarthy? ",
"The WHO\nhttp://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs114/en/",
"Ppm means micrograms per gram...if you don't understand basic units, I don't see the point in discussing anything science-related with you",
"Sorry if i sounded like a dick, not my intention. ",
"Oops, I might have stated that better. What I meant was living in an advanced society IS a privilege. But that privilege comes with responsibilities. We must act civilized, respect each other's rights, and not leech off society. Anti-vaccers are leeching off society by trying to benefit from the positive externalities of others without paying for the privilege in any manner, all the while putting the rest of us at more risk.\n\nHope that clarifies my meaning.",
"\"The GMC also took exception with the way he gathered blood samples. Dr Wakefield paid children £5 for the samples at his son’s birthday party. Dr Kumar said he had acted with “callous disregard for the distress and pain the children might suffer.”\"\n\n[Source](https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/andrew-wakefield-the-panel-is-satisfied-that-your-conduct-was-irresponsible-and-dishonest/)",
"Any kid any age missing two shots is not missing all of their shots dude. Get some common sense. ",
"nyet comrade.\n\nprivilege =/= inalienable rights",
"i truly hope you're joking.",
"I don't know if you're just trolling me at this point or what. But I'm going to use this last reply, promise, last one... to hopefully, just *try* to get this across to you. In fact, I'm going to use the exact topic we are discussing to attempt this, *one. last. time.*\n\n&nbsp;\n\nCurrently, *right now*, in the united states... people have the *FREEDOM* to choose to get vaccines or not. That is reality. We have that freedom. Whether you agree with it or not, we *currently* have that freedom.\n\n&nbsp;\n\nFreedom can apply to *ONE, SPECIFIC THING*... dude. When talking about murder, we DO NOT have the freedom to murder. When talking about drunk driving, we DO NOT have that freedom. We DO have the freedom to choose whether or not to get vaccinated.\n\n&nbsp;\n\nMy only definition of freedom is the correct one. It's not immature, it's FACTUAL. It's *LITERALLY* the opposite, *YOU* are the one who doesn't understand freedom as a concept. You are *CONFLATING* freedom with social responsibility. And while they *CAN* be related, they don't *HAVE* to be related.\n\n&nbsp;\n\nYou can pick any action imaginable, and whether or not you have the *FREEDOM* to do it, depends on the culture and nation you're in. FFS. I'm done now. If you still respond with nothing but your broken record twisted bullshit definition of freedom, god help your brain.",
"Interesting.",
"I never said that, crazy lady. I wrongfully assumed it when I asked why he missed them. Then I said I thought you were a batshit crazy anti vaxxer. Yet you're not, and I've acknowledged that, now you've gotta get off your crazy rage fueled typing session.",
" > An estimated 1.5 million childhood deaths have been prevented, through the systematic administration of vitamin A during polio immunization activities.\n\nWhen did vitamin supplements start to count as immunization?\n\nAlso, with respect to measles, I would be intrigued to know the co-incidental rates of other respiratory infections. Thanks.",
"It's just for shits and giggles baby.",
"Quite likely pre-penicillin usage as well, so is more likely as well what happens prior to antibiotics being used too.",
"I was.",
"Then why believe it at all? If you don't have to believe it to get redemption (even though it is quoted that you DO have to believe it to get redemption) then why believe it in the first place?\n\nYou post a quote that contradicts your belief as evidence that your belief is ok - then continue to believe what you believed without further inspection.\n\nAlso - if EVERYONE was convinced that 1+2 = 4 - that still wouldn't change the laws of nature and make it true. 1+2 would be 3 and 2+2 would be 4 - no matter what people believed. That's the nice part about reality - it's true no matter what you believe. \n\nRegarding God being the \"O Merciful One \" - have you read Exodus? Or Leviticus? or Deuteronomy? Or Revelations? Or a lot of Acts? Your 'Merciful one' smites anyone that doesn't agree with him, turning cities to salt, commanding his followers to rape and pillage, murdering women and children alike (except for the virgin women that were to be sex slaves for the Jews). Sure - Jesus was sort of a nice guy (unless you asked him why he came here - which was to divide with a sword - not to bring together - and to divide families...... at least according to the Gospels). \n\nAnywho - I can tell by the tone of your responses that I'm starting to agitate you - so we can leave it at this. I can't take the cognitive dissonance and complete avoidance of the contradictions you yourself brought up..... ",
"Why?",
"Did you come up with that all on your own or did mom help you? C'mon now, be honest.",
"Agreed 100%. But when fake news convinces large numbers of people to let their kids get sick, they are putting all of the rest of us at greater risk.\n\nI believe in liberty to the greatest extent, to the extent that my freedom extends to the point it infringes on your freedom, and vice-versa. When someone else's choices make the rest of us healthier and safer, I think society should recognize that positive externality. When someone else's choices make the rest of us less healthy and less safe, society needs to recognize that negative externality.\n\nThe means of the recognition is not as important as the result of the recognition. If that recognition comes in the form of Pokemon Go boosts or in getting tickets to a Seahawks home game, I don't care. You probably have a better idea than I do. I really didn't spend any time thinking deeply about that one. The only thing that matters is the results; did they change their behavior and move from the negative externality team to the positive externality team?",
"freedom is a philosophical concept, it is not defined by the us govt\n\nas a philosophical concept it must abide logical coherency\n\nand if you have heard anything i am saying, you would realize *freedom does not exist without responsibility*\n\nto define an action which is irresponsible as a form of freedom is simply logically inconsistent with the concept of freedom\n\ni am 100% serious, and what you call freedom is genuinely not freedom, at all\n\nyou speak of immature \"freedumb\": \"i do whatever i want, who cares who i hurt\" and that leads to loss of real freedom\n",
"You ain’t really agitating me. I was just in the middle of something while I was responding last time.\n\nAnyways, yes I have read all the books you mentioned, I was sarcastically referring to the fact that in the New Testament God is often referred to as the “o merciful one”.\n\nI believe in most of the Bible, but I’m also skeptical of some of it. I believe in the New Testament and some of the Old Testament.\n\nAnd with that last paragraph of yours, I mentioned the contradictions I made and gave a reason for them. But also \n\n>I can’t take the cognitive dissonance\n\nReally trying to sound smarter then me there.",
"Because I believe in it, I can’t exactly explain why I believe in something, I just do.",
"Yeah where I’m from most of the deaths of people I knew were from gun violence, It’s really sad finding out someone you were cool with was murdered from the news. ",
"*5 days",
"I'm not the one typing paragraphs.",
"Yes, I don't quite get that, so you aren't protected if you're vaccinated, if someone else isn't? Is that what you're saying? ",
"http://www.immunize.org/timeline/\n\n1943\tPenicillin first became mass-produced. This medical miracle, rediscovered by Alexander Fleming in 1928, was capable of attacking many types of disease-causing bacteria. It played a vital role in treating infected wounds during World War II.\n\nPrior the major advances were [sulfa drugs](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sulfonamide_(medicine)#History) and [vaccines](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccine#History). ",
"Fully agree with you, and I'm fiercely pro vaccine! ",
"that kind of thinking makes me get pretty red hot angry. my wife had cancer at an early age and was forced to have a hysterectomy. she wanted kids, but now it's not in the cards for us. it hurts her so much when people talk about it and I hate seeing her upset.",
"... come again?",
"You are an special snowflake education is just that one sided or not the more you know the better one can decide what fails what works ....please educate your self and stop promoting something you have absolutly no logic or reason to espouse. Vacvines are efficacy tested. The unvaccinated child is harmless to the completely vaccinated child. The herd immunity will cover those who either cannot or will not. Screaming at the sky that all must follow or be deemed iditots or insulted by your dumbass is certainly not educational...fucktard",
"You heard immunity argument is flawed unfortunately. It relies on those who can get vaccinated doing so to protect those who can't. With people like you promoting flawed arguments there are now more missguided people not getting vaccines. You are actually reducing our overall herd immunity and that will increase children dying.",
">epizootics\n\nthanks! ",
"Are they facts if the entire educated science world disagrees with you and has the data to back it up? ",
"> The whole concept of age in Korea clearly proves they value even the fetus' life.\n\nYou talk too much and know too little.\n\n>Your idea that this is a modern luxury and that people just got immune to losing children historically is just wrong....It is true that when people go through trauma and loss over and over again it is numbing, fears of loss and fears of attachment- but that does not mean the loss of life meant lesser to them than it does today. \n\nI never said \"immune\" and you're setting up a straw man argument to argue against me by (again) misrepresenting the points I've made about attachment. Google \"straw man argument\". That counts as losing this argument.\n\nNow you'll have to have the last word to justify your feelings of outrage and self-righteousness. Please do so, it will be a waste of your time as I won't be reading it but it will amuse the rest of reddit.",
"You fuckin' showed her!",
"I can explain why I believe things - I believe things because there is evidence they are true. \n\n1+1 = 2\nGravity pulls to the center of an object's mass\nCar crashes can be made more safe with seat belts\n\nThese are science driven facts - and are reliably and objectively true. \n\nThe same can't be said for faith-based beliefs. \n\nThe bigger question is - why don't you believe other religious books? Why don't you believe the claims of the Qur'an or the Book of Mormon or the writings of the ancient Greeks and Romans?\n\nIsn't it important to know WHY you believe something? If it's for bad reasons - wouldn't you want to change that belief? \n\nFor centuries people believed slavery was a 'god granted gift' (hell - people still believe this today) - for centuries people were taught that women were less than men (many religions still teach this today). For centuries Christians taught \"Spare the rod, spoil the child\" - now we know child abuse is wrong. \n\nWe have collectively changed our beliefs on these things because we found out they were objectively false. Why do so many continue to believe things with no evidence?",
"R/titlegore\n\nWrote that as if vaccines caused the deaths.",
"God dammit, I have read this as “vacation” all the times I’ve read this title.",
"More evidence the gov makes shit up. Why have it on the side of a pack of cigs then?",
"I have absolutely no doubt the doctor was correct, which is why I didn't argue or even mention that I thought it was weird. 99.9% of the time, I listen to my doctor.\n\nJust a point of note: the **only** medical training I have is CPR, AED, and basic First Aid that I certify in every year. I was making a dry joke about my medical school (zero years).",
"That's *Shoeless* Joe Jackson to you. ",
"Please read my edit. There seems to be a misunderstanding.",
"I'm legit hyped that he has a Wikipedia page. \n\n\nv v v goodboi.",
"Ah yes, the piranha approach. Start with 10 and you'll end up with at least a few.",
"Good dogs deserve good Wikipedia pages!",
"Agreed. I got her a 10 lb weight bar that's shaped like an Olympic bar so she can do some light deadlifts and squats. She's a retired Air Force colonel so she's a scheduler. Three times a week. Amazes me how she keeps herself going. I'm so thankful.",
">My family has been solidly middle class to upper middle class since the early 1600s\n\nAnd therefore not affected by slavery, Jim Crow laws, and living in appalling conditions in urban slums. Yeah, life is easy when you have money and servants.\n\nMy family, until the early part of the 20th century, was mostly dirt farmers, with a scattering of blacksmiths, gunsmiths, and small-town merchants. And career soldiers, lots of those. The highest social status any of them reached was my great-great-grandfather's brother, who served two terms in the Iowa State Legislature during the Civil War.\n\nEDIT: speeling",
"Because you can't overdose yourself with vaccines, and the effect they provide is much better than any possible side effects (which almost never occur). Most vaccines are not even big enough to get to that deadly dose even if you made them contain 100% arsenic (and they contain maybe a fraction of one percent at best or not used at all in most).\n\nAlso, I love how conspiracy theorists always turn the conversation around with the simple \"that's what ***they*** want you to think\". Make some actual arguments up, denying everything for no apparent reason is just trying to prove your point no matter how absurd it sounds.\n\nThis argumentation is comparable to me saying that the govt. is trying to poison us with water. Did you know that 5l of water will kill you? Well, every single house has a dedicated system that is created to deliver water to us in unlimited quantities. And those weird social norms force you to literally cover your body with this extremely deadly toxin for ~10 minutes every few days! How dare they?!",
"My niece was ripped. To get rid of her I tried a propane accident bbq event, propane heater house fire, propane cooked poisoned pancakes. Nothing. \n",
"That's clear evidence of stupidity, not masculinity.",
"One-child families were *very* uncommon in the 19th century. Either they had no kids at all (for whatever reason) or they had half a dozen or more. Especially if they were farmers.",
"I SAID GO BACK TO MEDICAL SCHOOL!!!",
"First caveat: I don't believe the Bible is literal Word of God.\nSecond caveat: I am not a trained theologian.\nThird caveat: Everything I say below, except one carefully noted remark, has been said by a trained theologian. I do not believe that any theologian has put them all together as his own. I am certain that no sect has ever adopted them.\n\nNonetheless, I have read a lot and I do know how to reason.\n\nThe books in the Bible were chosen because the committee (of men) choosing them believed them to be Divinely inspired. They also believe them (at the time they chose them) to be written by men. Exactly what is meant by this is open to interpretation, but it is unlikely that God dictated and man wrote. (Some were even illiterate, and someone else wrote what they said. Or what they remembered they thought they said, but that's another story.) So they are probably special men (or women) who were inspired to put their individual take on what they saw happening, and tell \"God's story\". See \"The Varieties of Religious Experience\" or Harmless' \"Mystics\" to get a feel for this, or go through the bibliography of \"Mystics\" to get a thorough academic understanding. These people felt they experienced God (as did people in other traditions, who had Holy Books written about or by themselves) and had other people believe them. This latter point is crucial.\n\nAnyway, with all this as background, it's not surprising that the Bible contradicts itself. The book of Genesis (based on textual evidence) was written by at least four and possibly as many as seven different authors, and then crammed together into a single text. (Quick: how many animals on the ark? Two of each kind, or 7 pairs of the holy ones and one pair of the unholy [regular?] ones?) A good deal of Genesis comes from the tradition of the Babylonians and the Epic of Gilgamesh, but it was changed to fit the Jewish religion (instead of the Sumerian).\n\nSo now let's get to Original Sin. If you take the point of view that Genesis is parables (possibly containing real people and possibly not, so as not to insult the Children of Abraham), then the story of Adam and Eve is a parable to explain selfishness. We know we're supposed to do the right thing, but we still seek the forbidden fruit (ooh, shiny). And we still blame someone else. (\"It was the woman. She made me.\" \"It was the snake. He made me.\") And it's just the way we are.\n\nThen when you go to Revelation, you discover that in the Final Judgment, when the angels come to make the judgment, some people will rise up and curse God. God is not condemning them, they are separating themselves from God. It has been Christian doctrine forever that, no matter what you do, you can always repent and ask forgiveness, and God in his infinite love will accept you. Yes, that includes all the Nazis, Pol Pot, Stalin and Mao and the Revolutionary Guard, everyone. Not only that, but the doctrine of Everlasting Life says that you can even repent after you die. (Not technically official Christian doctrine, but it's a logical consequence. In fact, there was a Muslim sufi [I don't remember his name, I think 12th century] who wrote that every human will eventually, of his own free will, come around to accept and love God and thus be united with God.)\n\nThere is a fundamental problem with the idea of an omnipotent God and human free will. If God is omnipotent, we can all be forced to love God. But we can also be free to love or not love God. And if we don't love God, or if we love ourselves more (which is \"natural\"), then we may do evil. (Why does God permit evil? So we may be free.) \n\nAnd finally, the purpose of Jesus (and sacrifice in general). If you go back to Exodus, the scapegoat took the sins of the community and his ritual execution _symbolically_ removed those sins from the community. Sins are not just rulebreaking. I sin against you when I put myself and my needs ahead of you and your needs. I make you less of a person. I sin against the community when I take more than my share, or don't contribute my share, or don't do my duty, or any of a host of things that undermine the community. They may be legal, but they may be mores or standards or even vaguer than that. I sin against the community when I make it weaker. I sin against you when I make you less of a person. And in Exodus, God is wrapped up in the community. I sin against God by sinning against by sinning against the community. (The injunction against other gods: that's other communities. [Oops. Second non-theological argument. It is an anthropological argument.])\n\nSo now, fast forwarding to about 27 AD or CE (by our current calendar), Jesus shows us how to respond to force. Here in fact is a good argument for religion (and also for keeping religion and government separate). When the Pharisees want to put Jesus to death, they go to the Romans (the government), who eventually give in and do it. If you want to view Jesus as a holy man and not the Son of God (some early Christians did, Muslims do), then his death is not a sacrifice to save everyone from Original Sin (a la the scapegoat). But no matter what, you can view his death as a way to live (and possibly die) as a way to save yourself from Original Sin. He showed us that it is possible to simply be a martyr. (I honestly don't know if there were martyrs before this. Does Iphigenia count? The Greeks were so horrified that they spirited her away to Taurus to save her. She also wasn't real. On the other hand, springboks have been risking themselves for the herd forever, puzzling biologists and raising questions about altruism.) After Jesus, martyrdom became a lot more acceptable, to the point that there was (I believe) a Papal Bull in the Middle Ages that, while martyrdom was still wonderful, seeking martyrdom is a sin.\n\nThe idea that Jesus died to \"wipe away Original Sin\" comes from one of the Pauline letters. (Romans?) The only thing I can say about Paul is that his logic is suspect. He argues the way many lawyers do, his grasp of logic and connections is weak. I might be a horrible theologian. I'm trying to understand theology the way a scientist (well, actually a mathematician) would. A lot of it does not make sense. So Paul might have been a great 1st century Talmudic scholar (yes, it was just getting started then), but he's a lousy post-Renaissance scientific thinker. Many of his arguments just make no sense at all to a modern scientist. One is his \"Just as Adam sinned for all, so Christ died for all.\" This has to be another parable, for it makes no logical sense. Okay, so we can tease it out, but that's going to require work. I'm getting tired. (I promised no original thoughts, but I didn't steal this paragraph. Sorry.)",
"But I'm just a dumb railroader. Although, how different can laying track be than open heart surgery? I'm probably over qualified at this point.\n\nYou're right, I'm going to question everything my doctor does.",
"My grandfather, a lifelong railroad man in Indiana, was one of eight kids, all but one of whom lived pretty long lives. (Granddad lived to 94 and two of his sisters got to 97.) The one who didn't was Joe, the youngest boy in the family, who was playing neighborhood football in 1922 at the age of 16. He got tackled wrong, ruptured something, and died a few days later of peritonitis. He was the pet of the family and my grandfather would still get teary 60 years later when he talked about him.",
"How the fuck am I trolling?",
">But Dr Wakefield told the GMC panel that he had made up these details to amuse his listeners. “It was the end of a long and rather exacting talk for the parents, and it was an attempt to introduce a little bit of levity,” he said. “It was a quip, just a story. The way these stories are told, if the audience responds you tend to respond back. So the story was told. But it had no bearing on the truth at all.”\n\n“Clearly, if it has caused any distress then I am extremely sorry for that,” said Dr Wakefield. “That wasn’t my intention.” He added that he had been “naive” to think he could take the samples without the permission of an ethics committee.\n\n[source](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2323045/)\n\nWhat was unethical? That he drew blood samples? The anecdote about the £5 notes?",
"TL;DR: 1. Original Sin is a parable. It means we are selfish and hurt others.\n2. God doesn't damn people: people choose to separate themselves from God. That's the damnation, and it's a result of free will. (And it's possible that \"eventually\" everyone will choose to be reunited with God.)\n3. Jesus' death showed us how to live (and perhaps die) in such a way that we put others first. That is, how to defeat Original Sin. But we still have to choose.\n\nBTW, one thing I forgot to mention in the long version: if someone \"believes\", then they will act on their belief. So you can see if they are really a Christian. It's a one question test: do they love their neighbor as themself? (Build a wall, build a wall! Praise God!)",
"It wasn't a quote from a particular individual. My field is social history and most studies I've read of American women in the 19th century include some version of that sentiment. It was a common feeling. Of resignation, certainly.\n\nThanks for the link to the article -- which I notice didn't have much good to say about the anti-vaxers on reddit.\n\nEDIT: missing",
"Not for MMR.",
"Kids died from a million things then. So did women.",
"Three kids, two stepkids, seven grandkids so far, and the first great-grandkid in the oven. None of which has anything to do with history. You should read some.",
"Oh, grow up.",
"Nope. It just means you had more than you should have. Smaller families have lower mortality rates.Still tru today.",
"Because I believe in God, end of story. I don’t need evidence to believe in Him if I just have my faith to believe in him, it doesn’t affect you or other people so why do you give a crap? If people *do* use their faith to affect other people (leaders, judges, juries, cops, etc.) then they shouldn’t because that’s wrong.",
"Oh if it were only vaccinations that saved them. But it isn't. Children die from a myriad of things. Vaccinations being one of them. Very sad. Very true.",
"Having researched my family (and numerous others) for 50+ years now, I estimate that fully a third of my male ancestors in the 18th & 19th centuries went through more than one wife, the first (or second) one having died of childbirth complications. Here in south Louisiana, the figure is even higher. ",
"I realised that when what followed wasn't english. ",
"Millennials don't even talk like that anymore. Why don't you act your age? Am I talking with a woman? Must be an ugly one if that is all you got to say.",
"On most vaccination post I see on Reddit I see the bandwagon of posts speaking of how stupid anti-vax people are (and I mostly agree) but not a healthy debate about the quantity of vaccines given to an infant child and how that may have an effect on their overall health.",
"It is probably because of the baby. A friend of mine got the Chicken Pox and her baby caught it. She got a call from the CDC too. ",
"That sentiment was explicitly stated during research interviews back in the '60s by both of my grandmothers and a couple of my great-aunts, all born in the 1880s & '90s. Since they were there, and both were intelligent, observant women who both grew up in and raised large-ish families, I'll take their word for it.",
"Meh. It really comes down to 1 simple fact. I’m right and you are wrong. Feels good man. ",
"My own family's record is my great-great-grandmother's family. She was one of sixteen -- though that included two sets of twins.",
"I'm old enough that I had measles, mumps and rubella. My mother used to talk about how \"poor\" we were. (Some days we did not eat meat. We ate stew on a regular basis. Real poor. I guess poverty is relative.) Anyway, with the advantages of exceptional hygiene and nutrition, and constant nursing, all three were among the most miserable experiences in my life. I had no hesitation vaccinating my own children.\n\nInteresting question: I remember OPV. Is that a real memory or a false memory?",
"Wrong Joe Jackson.\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Jackson_(manager)",
"I don't know how many times I've told relatives younger than me -- which is most of them these days -- that the \"Good Ol' Days\" is a myth. There was never any such thing. Even in the 1970s & '80s, things weren't as good ***overall*** as they are now. Certainly not in the '50s, much less at any earlier time.",
"*FIRST YOU NEED PRE-MED*",
"I find google is becoming less and less useful over the years.",
"If its severe enough to interfere with any kind of day to day function, I'd agee. If he's just hyperfocused, hyposocial and otherwise functional, you're the problem.",
"I *know* that graveyard in the cornfield! Mahaska County, Iowa, right? :) Not far from Union Mills. Last time I visited was just before the harvest. Kind of spooky.",
"We will never learn. ",
"I was not questioning the importance of getting vaccinated. Was genuinely curious on the percentage of kids that cannot be vaccinated.",
"You don't need evidence for your beliefs? Again, we are at an empasse. \n\nBeliefs shape actions. I give a crap because believers have prevented my uncle's from getting married since they are both men. Women around the world feel as though they have to be subservient to their (or all) men. Kids grow up thinking they or their family will burn in hell of they die while not in the good graces of their \"merciful god\"....\n\nIn some places gay people are murdered because their religion says to do that.\n\nIf faith is a valid reason to believe outlandish things, why is it not an acceptable tool for creating laws?\n\nIf it is a valid tool for finding truth, then why does the truth it wrrives at end up being so different for every person?\n\nYou haven't hustified using faith, you just keep saying you do and that alone should be good enough.... It's not. ",
"One of my husband's grandfather's brothers got as far as Ellis Island but he was sick and got sent back. He probably died on the way back. I don't remember.",
"I was not questioning the importance of getting vaccinated. Was genuinely curious on the percentage of kids that cannot be vaccinated.",
"Well, not *that* long. But delaying for a month or two wasn't uncommon -- art least for Protestants. In early Louisiana, being Catholic, they had their kids named and baptized as quickly as possible, especially during epidemics.",
"That's right, you're so crazy you only need one line to terrify and confuse.",
"What!?",
"Thank you dingbat. ",
"Accessible information, contraception and abortions, all made available in the 20th century, have done more for the lives of women than possibly any other medical intervention besides antibiotics imo. Now free from constant pregnancy, birthing, and nursing, women can contribute to society in limitless ways.\n\nMen have benefited too, whether it’s more attention/care from their own parents, or the ability to choose family over careers, or careers/trades/education over mere jobs/drudgery due to support from female partners.\n\nSterile caesareans and birth interventions, natural births attendance by experienced and hygienic midwives, pain management in birth, quality post-birth aftercare, expert lactation assistance, infant formula, condoms and barrier contraception, hormonal contraception, the IUD, and sex education ... the importance of these cannot be understated. It is the story of modern womanhood. \n\nPS if this all sounds interesting, the show “Call the Midwife” (bbca, Netflix) is pretty good!",
"I'm honestly surprised you're the first person to catch that, or at least comment on it. Tired typing doesn't work well for me.",
"> \"caught autism\".\n\nffs.\n\nThat sounds like the same type of people that wouldn't let their lily white kids play with the black kids because the colour might rub off.",
"Well, most law systems have evolved around religion. It’s not my fault some people who believe in God don’t supports Gays or women (despite the fact both now have significant amount of rights and are respected) I don’t give a crap about what others do with their faith, only what *I* do.\n\nAnd again, the o merciful one was a joke.",
"Mark something?\n\nThat's not super helpful.",
"You're just a terrible parent.",
"It has nothing to do with love. It's a matter of fatalism and being resigned to the known odds, with the ever-present evidence of most other families in your community, including the one you grew up in yourself. Knowing all that, you simply learn to cope. And coping means not losing your mind over one infant's death when you have a bunch of other kids who need you.",
"Yeah okay. That’s why my kids are the best in everything they do right? That’s why they’re the healthiest compared to peers right? Lmao. You’re wrong pal. I’m right. In fact I’ll always be right. ",
"My hubby was born in 47. He got a very mild case of polio when he was little...his toes look like he could have from tree branches and he sorta shuffles when he walks, but he didn't get the whole paralytic thing.",
"> PS if this all sounds interesting, the show “Call the Midwife” (bbca, Netflix) is pretty good!\n\nMy wife is a big fan of that one, actually, and I've seen some episodes. It's set currently about 1960, when I graduated high school, so there's a lot of the mindset I remember personally -- though I was living in San Antonio, not Britain.",
"I recently heard that I may need a booster of some sort for MMR. The argument is that because of the dearth of wild MMR viruses, my natural immunity is not being maintained (like it would be in the \"good old days\"). I need to look into the science of this.",
"Yup, definitely was. ",
"First, I need something higher than a high school education. ",
"> I don't think it's wrong to put people in danger by not doing something.\n\nWhy not? Wouldn't you appreciate if other people did something in order to avoid putting you in danger?\n\n> It's not morally wrong to put people in danger by not going and eradicating all lions and snakes.\n\nThat's different in two respects:\n\n1. Eradicating all lions and snakes would be extremely difficult, in comparison with simply vaccinating yourself.\n\n2. If you don't vaccinate yourself, *you* are the one who endangers others (because you can spread the infection), as opposed to lions and snakes endangering others.\n\n> It's not wrong to put people in danger by not eradicating all disease.\n\nIt would be, if eradicating all disease was as easy as getting vaccinated.\n\n> I don't agree anyone should be allowed to force anyone else to do something.\n\nOnce you consider that carefully, that's a terrible rule. It's not hard to think of cases where it fails completely.",
"You're just a terrible parent.",
"I feel like that's not really a well-reasoned objection. Shouldn't that be thought through on a case-to-case basis, instead of making it a blanket rule?",
"Its not an option now. Its mandated.\n\nFunny the anti science pro vaccine shills are pro abortion usually too.",
"Congrats on the daughter to be. :) \n\nHaving miscarried myself, it really messes you up hormonally, physically and mentally.",
"It is unethical to take samples without the permission of the ethics committee, not naive. He was a doctor and knew better.\n\nWhat does his apology have to do with anything? Does it make what he did less unethical because he said sorry?\n\nFrom your source: \n\n>Last week the GMC panel saw video footage of a speech Dr Wakefield gave in 1999 at a meeting of parents of autistic children called by the Mind Institute of the University of California, Davis, where he jokingly described children fainting and vomiting after giving blood.\n\n>“Two children fainted, one threw up over his mother,” he told his laughing audience in the clip. “People said to me, you can’t do that—children won’t come back to your birthday parties. I said we live in a market economy; next year they’ll want £10.”\n\nThis is all he was apologizing for, by the way, not illegally using patients as test subjects. Did he give an apology for the rest of the things he was charged with?",
"Thank you for the extensive reply. I guess one big problem for me is this lack of sense and contradictions within the Bible. Some people seem to be ok with this and have all sorts of explanations involving tortured logic and god working in mysterious ways. It makes far more sense to me to disregard the whole thing and put it on the heap with all other past and present creation myths of the world. I can’t help but see the world through a more rational, scientific lens. It’s always been science that solves problems and makes progress (not to say it doesn’t also create problems). From better understanding our world, to the technological applications of science (modern medicine, cars, the internet, etc), religious beliefs and practices pale in comparison to the scientific method. And I don’t think they can coexist without the aforementioned tortured logic. But I do appreciate your explanation and respect your right to believe whatever you like. ",
"True",
"I actually won greatest parent in my county’s school board. ",
"Omg! I LOVED that movie! Baltimore 4 Lyfe 🐺 ",
"For my mom, it would be 10/2. I really can't blame her for having become an alcoholic and getting into drugs. Having lost so many of us must've been hell, especially considering my brother, her only other living child, wouldn't give her the time of day.",
"You're just a terrible parent.",
"Sorry, Matthew 25:41\n\n\"Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.",
"No, prolongation of the amenorrheic period after childbirth via breastfeeding is definitely a [thing](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3549114). And abstaining from intercourse during the ovulation period is a contraceptive strategy still in use today. Obviously these types of methods aren't as reliable as hormonal birth control, but it's a little ridiculous to believe that over the course of millions of years women didn't figure out any biological hacks at all for avoiding serial pregnancies. Before the pill, it was entirely possible to exert some degree of control over how many children you had, even if it was nowhere near as precise as we can achieve today. Whether our great-grandmother's wanted to aim for 4 children or 12 children, they had methods at their disposal for getting in the ballpark. ",
"I saw an old woman die of c-diff in the hospital i worked at. ",
"Unless there was a serious and overlooked genetic deficiency in the family, those kind of numbers these days are kind of appalling.",
"Oh boy. Well good on you for taking initiative and not letting yourself get walked over. Hopefully he gets the help he needs, but more importantly, don't let yourself get dragged down with him if he's determined to sink.",
"Not much in the way of servants. But could afford to work hard (read: keep healthy) and yet still far from the edge of starvation. But accountants, teller (and eventually President) of the County Bank, prosperous farmers (which in Iowa meant hired hands), doctors, and the like.\n\nOn the flip side, my mother \"married down\" when she married my father. His family was run out of Romania for the crime of being German (hey, discrimination runs all ways) and emigrated to the US. His grandfather worked a couple of years in Pittsburgh at one of Carnegie's steel mills, but as a bricklayer he didn't have to put up with the appalling conditions (and godawfully high rent for substandard company housing) so he left. Skills are worth having. His brother (nephew?) Tom the Rat didn't have any: he was killed in a holdup. Of a doctor's office. Who holds up a doctor's office? (Maybe it was a rich Evanston doctor's office. I don't think so. I think besides being unskilled, he was stupid.)",
"Damn...That's brutal!",
"Just because you have a child doesn't mean you're going to love it",
"Where does it say anything about not believing in God?",
"Five of her first children were still-born, or died from SIDs. Two were a set of twins. The next five of us survived and were healthy, but then three of my siblings died in a house fire along with my uncle and Nana.\n\nRegularly check your carbon monoxide detectors, folks! **Do not let them sit with dead batteries.** Something as simple as that could have saved them.",
"wanna shoot up?",
"Oh wow an anti-Semite racist ... too bad they don’t make a vaccination for this genuinely massive piece of shit. ",
"One of these types of Redditors. No creative ability but needs the last word. ",
"I completely understand you, I am so sorry for your loss.",
"That's right but then again not all people are good people anyway.",
"I stated this. \n\n> Hopefully we allow people to choose for their children so that we can have massive reductions in genetically retarded people. \n\nYou retorted with an adhominem attack. \n\nWe should assume that you do not agree. \n\nTherefore, since Jenny is one of those that would have choosen for their children to die, I assume that you want her genes to spread via breeding. \n\nIf this is not the case, then I would question why you are making personal attacks if you agree with her stopping the spread of her genes via her own retarded decisions. \n\nI do not think that you support her. Just her ability to pass on her retardation through successful breeding.\n\n",
"Well, when I say \"dirt farmer,\" in Iowa that means a guy who works the fields himself, as opposed to a \"gentleman farmer.\" It doesn't mean they lived in a shanty and struggled to make ends meet. Most of the farmers in my family had hired hands in most of the censuses and nearly all of them had an 8th Grade education or better in the later period. They worked hard and had reasonably comfortable lives.\n\nSome of them, like my grandfather (who absolutely *hated* farming), moved into town and worked at skilled trades, but there was always the farm to retreat to when times got hard. To quote Granddad, \"At least back on the farm we knew we wouldn't starve.\"",
"You're just a terrible parent.",
"My family came to the Willamette Valley in the 1860’s I believe. Whole family still lived there up until 6ish years ago, we all moved and now none of us do. But it was a good 140+ year run! Must have been an incredible place to see wild and new, before it was tamed.\n\nWhereabouts did your family settle? Mine was in Lorraine(I think?) and Junction City.",
"You are correct. The anti vaxxer children will die at a much higher rate though. Society will shun them, banish them, to protect themselves. \n\nThere will be a cost to society in general, it will be small though, and think of the long term benefits.",
"Called it. I hope you copy and paste at least. ",
"The language in your post is incredibly confusing given what your link says. ",
"That is fine, but that isn't something you need to bring up at every opportunity. Talk about being socially deaf.",
"I forgot I posted the comment about that guy, so for a second I was like \"why the fuck am I being called an anti-semite racist?\" lol.\n\nBut it turns out they do have a cure for that. Its called getting more people to use birth control xD",
"Yeah it is a very large range. There is \"don't quite get sarcasm\" and \"licks computer screens all day\".",
"In general, then. Of course parents should be arrested if they don't put *food* in their children's bodies. But as a generalization, no forcing people to put things in their bodies they don't want.",
"It’s life. Having a tiny family really makes you appreciate the time you have with them, my nearest family member lives 2500 miles away. Cherish the small times you get, treat them like the last. Family is everything, no matter how bad things get. Family is family.\n\n\nI bet family is starting to sound funny now.",
"Cities didn't even used to out reproduce their mortality. More people were wiped out by the non-stop plague than were born each year. Cities were maintained by people immigrants.",
"Not you lol that other piece of shit... :P \n\nThe level of toxic bullshit this person actually believes is mind boggling. \n",
"There are many reasons to not love your child, just as there are many reasons to not love your parents. I don't think not loving them for very valid reasons makes someone a bad person.\n\nFor example I don't love my parents: my dad was a drug addict, drunk who stole everything that wasn't nailed down (including my lunch money) and eventually pulled a gun on me. \n\nMy mother was also very abusive and made it very clear verbally and through her actions that I ruined her life, she only dealt with me to get the child care support, and that no matter what I'm going to be a failure in life while her second child would be a success. \n\nI like to think I'm a good person: I work hard, I treat people the way I wish to be treated and don't act like a scumbag. But I don't love my parents. I know my grandma doesn't love my dad due to his very violent nature and him living off her and demanding all her money. I don't blame her for not loving him, but she's also a good person. \n\nI think it's wrong to demand someone love another person just because they are related. That doesn't make you a good person.",
"> If you don't vaccinate yourself, you are the one who endangers others (because you can spread the infection), as opposed to lions and snakes endangering others.\n\nWrong, in this exact comparison, the disease is what endangers others. Just like the lions and snakes. Lions, snakes, viruses. Not the people who don't act.\n\n> Once you consider that carefully, that's a terrible rule. It's not hard to think of cases where it fails completely.\n\nYes, of course this is exaggerated. I can think of many exceptions to the rule. It's just a general principle.",
"John 3:36\n\nWhoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.",
"Lol who reads 'sepia-toned wastelands' in response to that comment and thinks 'yeah this person is totally serious, I should tell them to kill themself!'? :/",
"Otherwise he'd get *ULTRA-AUTISM* ^^^^^/s",
"I hear you and I agree on both points: this gentleman's situation warrants the comment but I also agree with the comment about him wanting normalcy for his children. I was chastised recently for saying that it's okay and reasonable to want your children to thrive and succeed and that parents have expectations for their children. ",
"Maybe, but the only thing I've read of his is \"To build a fire\". I do not recommend reading it before going to Alaska in winter.",
"Uhhhh.... They cleared him of a good number of those charges. But that's how you can bring down any public figure - find a character flaw and beat it into the ground.\n\nI'm sure the kids will have PTSD their entire lives from having those blood samples done. A truly heinous crime against humanity err medical ethics or whatever.",
"HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. This is GOLD! I know 5-year-olds who can troll better than you. I haven't heard anything this lame since... well, your last post was pretty lame, too, so not that I long I reckon. ",
"So what. Would you rather have a living, breathing child with autism or a dead child. \n\nBy saying that you show to the world your belief that a (usually) nonfatal and generally mild mental illness is far worse than death itself. Do you realize how insulting that is to the people with autism reading this. Do you realize how revoltingly distasteful that is for parents of kids with autism reading that is? **Can you simply get it through your thick skull that EVEN if all the immunologists and doctors are wrong about every single vaccine that being alive with autism is ABSOLUTELY NOT a worse fate than dying to a preventable disease.**",
"https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ifgHHhw_6g8",
"Also formaldehyde occurs naturally in the body in amounts larger than what's given in the vaccines. [\"Fortunately, the amount of formaldehyde found in vaccines is very small, most of it being diluted down to residual amounts during the manufacturing process. In fact, the FDA reports there is 50 to 70 times more formaldehyde present in an average newborn’s body than in a single dose of vaccine. In brief, current science shows formaldehyde in vaccines to be harmless.\"](http://www.publichealth.org/public-awareness/understanding-vaccines/goes-vaccine/) ",
"23% effective. \n\n[On December 9, 2016, CDC posted estimates of seasonal flu deaths from more recent seasons in the United States. CDC estimates that from 2010-2011 to 2013-2014, influenza-associated deaths in the United States ranged from a low of 12,000 (during 2011-2012) to a high of 56,000 (during 2012-2013). ](https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/disease/us_flu-related_deaths.htm) \n\nLets just go with 20,000 deaths/flu season. \n\nThat means without the reduced rate of 20k d/y, the normal rate would be nearly 26k. \n\nEVEN IF it's only \"23% effective\" it still saves thousands of lives each year. \n\n~~So I guess to you those six thousand people *just aren't worth it?*~~\n\nEdit: I got a bit snarky there",
"Well it's pretty hard to tell, and to be honest i don't think there are any records available to get this kind of information. My assumption is that it was the first dead family member who contracted the disease, which then passed on, and infected the other siblings. Could have been the weather or birds - your guess is as good as mine. ",
"You're just a terrible parent.",
"I automatically believe people have autism on the Internet. It's a combination of occam and hanlon's razors.",
"My MIL had at least seven miscarriages and a stillbirth in the late 80s before my wife was born. We're definitely concerned for when we try to have kids.",
"One size doesnt fit all and the adminstration of vaccines should be more regulated. \n\nFor example, a policy to stretch [back] to border protection to administer vaccines to immigrants in addition to quarantine for the infected.\n\nThe US is pretty well developed and crazy diseases have been eradicated but do exist on earth in other parts of the world. The US leads the world in the amount of vaccines adminstered. Is this because of immigration? See above.\n\n\nMy other thoughts:\n\n- If there is an outbreak, heck yea jump on it, vaccines for everybody!\n\n- Vaccination research is ultra important, Super Bug is as much a threat as Asteroids and Human Pollution.\n\n\n\n ",
"Not everything you read online is true.",
"The winner right here. ",
"At least none of these kids developed autism, amirite guys...",
"I didn't say or infer anything about if it's worth it or not, it just sounded like the title was claiming that vaccinations cure everything. ",
"Maybe no insurance. Or female. (From a diagnostic standpoint, in the US, female means \"don't believe patient's account of symptoms\".* So does minority.* So only white males with insurance are treated properly. Best health care system in the world.)\n\n*Well, there are exceptions. So mostly.",
"Exactly. He prayed for something awful because he wasn't himself anymore",
"Yea",
"Be that as it may, I have kids and I personally don't want to take that chance with them.",
"And the causality has always been the same. The more well off have have fewer children. They live in the better areas, have access to more economic opportunity, have cleaner water, and so on.\n\nAnd yet, when it becomes impossible for those in the lower strata to move up, a society dies. (And of course, by implication, those in the upper strata have to be able to move down too.) One of the ways to move up is to have enough children to bootstrap your way up. Life is always more of a gamble when you're lower down. But if you don't take that gamble, you're guaranteed to lose.",
"I read it here: The Renaissance: A History of Civilization in Italy from 1304-1576 A.D\n\nhttps://books.google.com/books/about/The_Renaissance.html?id=jcazWP4oFb4C\n\nI'm not sure what Duran'ts source was.\n\nHere is will: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Will_Durant\n\n\"He is best known for The Story of Civilization, 11 volumes..\"\n",
"You are right, it wasn't a serious crime, but he did disregard ethics, so he lost his medical license and was struck off the registrars list. Seems fitting for breaking the rules.\n\nAnd I can't find anything that says he was cleared except 2 very anti-vax websites with Wakefield telling them the charges were overturned and therefore are not considered legitimate sources.\n\nWhen another one of the doctors in the controversy had *his* charges overturned, [this](http://www.ecbt.org/images/articles/Andrew_Wakefield_Has_Never_Been_Exonerated_Final.pdf) paper was written to make it clear it did not apply to Wakefield.\n\n[This](http://www.iflscience.com/health-and-medicine/this-interactive-map-sums-up-the-damage-caused-by-the-antivaccination-movement/) is why I think his charges were pretty lenient.\n\nEdit: Also there was a list of charges I gave you, not even as long as the list he was charged with. Picking only one to nitpick won't make the rest go away.",
"Or about as effective as it is now. Which is to say, about as effective as the rhythm method.",
"I was specifically responding to the comment about the *reasons* people have children, which probably haven't changed that much in poorer agrarian communities. I wasn't commenting on infant mortality, life expectancy, or the general state of the world or the quality of life in developing countries.\n\nI will check out that talk though, thanks.",
"What are you talking about? I'm referring to you basically stating that the more children you have, the less impactful a death becomes. And you're really that old throwing around petty little insults like, \"You should read some.\"? I'm sorry, but that's a bit pathetic. ",
"Destitute? Plenty were and still are. Many have faced generations of poverty.\n\nHungry? In McDowell County, WV, the local food bank provides food to a little less than half the population, and they've had severe shortages since the local Wal-Mart closed.\n\nGunned down? Well, no, but the suicide rate has been climbing for years, and life expectancy is about ten years less than the national average here in Appalachia.",
"Sorry for chiming in late, but more educated people tend to fall more for woowoo. It might have something to do with being more able to rationalize erroneous ideas.",
"Sorry you got downvoted for this legitimate question, but I'm also glad you found the answer for it.",
"So instead of coming up with an actual argument to specific points I make, you devalue and dismiss everything I said, unable to come up with specific opposing points. I at least said I had made assumptions- you're just outright not participating and claiming to have \"won\".\n\nClearly I don't understand the point you are trying to make about attachment- perhaps you talk too little. Illustrate, use examples, because it came off to my perspective as dismissive or seeing people back in the day as feeling less attachment (hence my words of immune and numbing). But I still find it astounding that not once did you acknowledge any actual part of my argument or side or opinion. \n\nClearly we had different experiences in Korea- and that's fine. You clearly met some wonderful people who came from more traditional backgrounds than the people I met. However- I still vehemently disagree that people historically had less attachment and that grieving for the loss of children is a modern luxury. \n\nYou've made it abundantly obvious you had no intentions of having an actual argument or debate, especially using the classic \"if you respond you lose\" stance, not acknowledging one piece of the argument and points I made, and of course just outright ignoring me. I do believe arguments can bring about sharing of perspectives and to at least better understand others' perspectives. Yea, I got heated- believe it or not it's an actual personal topic to myself as my Great Aunt wrote about losing her sister when the sister was only 4 in the very early 1900s. The idea that grieving over a child and having a funeral for that child as a modern luxury is ridiculous- it historically happened and it felt like you were just dismissing the experiences of others' that you (I hope) had not had yourself. If I'm completely missing your whole point about attachment- well to me you never specifically addressed exactly the point you were trying to get to.\n\nAll the best.",
"Good point, but since you're not following it, what weight do you give which opinion and on what basis?",
"what question ?\n",
"My great grandfather lost 4 siblings in one summer to yellow fever. He lived to be 97 years old.",
"You gotta get your dip/tet ",
"Bring out yer dead",
"Fortunately, the citation was not to say that such things *have* been done, but that they could be. In a world where a government is allowed to mandate a thing, it will be used to their advantage.\n\nVaccines work. Our lives are better for them. But they could be abused.\n\n\"But anything could be abused if the government is allowed self-regulated control over it!\"\n\nExactly.",
">thriving and healthy.\n\nFor now. ",
"Typhoid fever except for one.\n\nOnly five of us survived. We had no potable water until the late 70's, but even with boiled water and some basic [pre]cautions is hard to be safe when there is an outbreak. Vaccinations were not widely available back in the 50's.",
"That made me cry. ",
"And it’s a BAD way to die. The infection causes sever inflammation of the tissues of the airway, and you suffocate.",
"I misread this as 'vacation' ",
"The graveyard at Bodie is like this. There are a lot of children's graves with closely clustered dates of death.",
"LOL. Got it. My bad. Seems like 109 other people were confused too. Just how the thread read out.",
">PS if this all sounds interesting, the show “Call the Midwife” (bbca, Netflix) is pretty good!\n\nI love this show so damn much, though it makes me feel all the feels now after having a baby of my own. ",
"It shouldn’t be an option now. It should be manditory. ",
"Who’s making up the herd community term?",
"Fuck tearing up. Im full blown crying. I'm 22, but my siblings are 12, 10, 8, 7, 5, and 3. They aren't even my kids and I can't imagine losing one of them, much less five of them in less than a week. ",
"I was pissed that I have OSHA training (most boring 10 hours ever, for those unaware) but you know what, you're right. Life is pretty great. ",
"\"I know I may get cancer if I smoke cigarettes, but I'm gonna die of something anyways. May as well smoke.\"",
"Im not sure what to think about that. Is that a thing? ",
">9th month abortions are not a thing. Not anywhere.\n\nCan you convince me without a reasonable doubt that abortions are not being performed in any capacity after lets say 32 weeks in the US? Because that's what you're saying here. I'll believe it given evidence, which you've failed to supply, and I've been unable to find as well. 9 month abortions DO happen, although rare. \n\n> Where are you getting your assumptions from though?\n\nI was trying to show that there's little difference between a 6 and 9 month abortion. Physically, a 6 month old fetus isn't drastically different from a 9 month old fetus. WebMD states that a fetus is likely viable starting at 7 months (https://www.webmd.com/baby/pregnancy-your-babys-growth-development-months-7-to-9)\n\n>AKA a whole trimester....Personally, i don't think abortions should be happening after the first trimester but then again, i will never carry a baby so what do i know?\n\nI'm actually pro-choice and differ with Trump on this. I think a woman should be able to have an abortion at any given time. Which is the current law on the books in some states. Trump can't do anything about it, it's already been decided by the Supreme Court. Roe V Wade, I'm sure you know.\n\nAs a man, it sucks that men's rights don't count in the decision of whether to have an abortion (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planned_Parenthood_of_Central_Missouri_v._Danforth), but the Supreme Court has decided that men have no veto power, and I respect that. I hope I'm never in that situation.\n\n>Just admit, he was talking out of his ass\n\nI'm still yet to be convinced how it's impossible to have 9 month abortions in the US. Yes, he's using the extreme aspects of abortion to make a point, but he didn't lie.\n\nSo just to sum up our conversation:\n\n* Did Trump say what you originally alleged? Yes he said it, but misspoke and said \"born\" instead of \"torn\", and his speech was taken out of context. Literal fake news.\n\n* Do I think there's an abundance of women electing to have 7,8,9 month abortions? No. The numbers don't support that. \n\n* Are the majority of late abortions medically related and not elective? Yes.\n\n* Is it fucked up that women are possibly killing fetus' that are able to feel pain? Yes, but it's their body, and their right. Our government should involve itself as little as possible in the decisions of private citizens. The Supreme court has repeatedly voted in this way.\n\nAs a final note, I find it interesting that you actually have a similar opinion as Trump, you think abortions shouldn't happen after the first trimester, and he supports a ban after 20 weeks. Your position is actually more conservative than Trump.",
"Especially since the early possible signs of autism don't usually make themselves apparent until around 2 yrs old, if I remember correctly. By that point the majority of the vaccines have already been administered. ",
"What is fake about being against gay marriage?",
"Like traumatic in what way? \n\nI was 13-16 when I started/completed my acceptance of the stories as myths. It was really scary mind bending shit to accept there is nothing magical upon death. That no old man with strings can help me. Or that my new view appeared clearer and less confused than ever and everyone was still happy to wear their rose colored religion, I was truly alone - for a while - but really, forever. Religion is the ultimate blue pill that I sometimes miss, especially now that I see my son is scared. ",
"Try harder, that’s what it tells me. ",
"No, wishing is not an answer, and I am concerned his bitterness and resentment are stifling him. He needs support, and IMO, therapy. I fear that his resentment he has towards his wife could be spilling over into the person who least deserves it: their child. Your admonition will not change his perspective, and could very well fuel it. He feels trapped, that much is certain.\n\n*accidentally hit send before I was thru",
"Yuck. Yeah that would be a waste of energy ",
"You strike me as a personal rights absolutist. Are there any areas of public health/safety you feel should be regulated? ",
"This reminds me of something I saw while visiting my grandmother's grave in Norway this past summer. There was a small plot that was fenced off and held two graves, both with the name \"Mathilde Smith\" on them. The older lived until age 11. Two years later, the younger was born, who they also named Mathilde. She died at age 5. I really hope they had a third+ child that lived, because I have this lingering thought that they had given up on having children after. ",
"That's going to be difficult in communities where there are sizeable populations of anti-vaxxers and they don't tell you outright if they are or not because they \"don't want to be judged\".\n\nMy toddler is up to date with his shots and I still want to just hide him away. ",
"Tazmanian devils are/were dieing off, to lazy to google, maybe an STD?",
"Nah. Strawman is misrepresentation of argument using hyperbole. Strawman would be me saying “oh so you believe in racial genocide because minorities are more likely to die from communicable disease.” \n\nI asked you an honest question trying to determine whether you feel similarly about other public health and safety regulation. It shouldn’t feel like an attack. ",
"That makes you a fool lol ",
"I fussed for almost a whole week after I got a tetanus shot a couple of years ago, and I'm a full grown adult. That shit really hurts. ",
"This is just propaganda. Everybody knows that vaccinations cause buffering in YouTube ",
"HAHAHHAHAHAH oh that was good. ",
"My mom may have Munchausen’s syndrome so that was the inspiration for my comment.",
"Oh noes.. the measles https://youtu.be/mDb0ZS3vB9g",
"You missed, but that makes much more sense.",
"Okay. Let just go ahead say that everything you just said, and even more so especially everything you've said, is without a doubt retarded. \n\nNever once did I agree with \"Jenny McCarthy\", in fact you brought her up as a distraction. \n\nSo let me just state that she is without a doubt a plague on mankind that ended up damaging our world with her retarded anti-vax bullshit. \n\nYou Trumpet supporters are straight up weird.\n\n",
"Aw I bet!",
"Sorry - my comment wasn't intended as criticism. Just thought you might want to know about the article. Thanks for the info!",
"Many of us can't be vaccinated and rely on others. Please educate yourself.",
"Thank god everyone in my immediate family survived the flu. But my great grandpappy nearly died in ww1 from gas. So not really lucky.",
"Nah",
"I've taken our own product for years",
"Went to Chuck e cheese for sons birthday, got home, wife had a minor seizure at 1am that I couldn't actually decide if it was a seizure or not (alcoholic father, seen some bad fuckin seizures, these weren't bad), had another at 6am, and while still not \"full bore\", was close enough to warrant waking her up and taking her to the ER.\n\nAbout halfway to the hospital, she starts asking how she got in the car, where the clothes came from, and if I put new tires on the van... Not a good sign, but at least it confirmed that there was something going on.\n\nER does an x-ray, and as soon as it pops up on the monitor, everyone can *clearly* see there's a giant blob behind her right eye. So they call an ambulance. Yeah, the emergency room called an ambulance. *Really* not a good sign...\n\nOff we go to the specialty hospital, there's a bunch of MRIs (the end result of which was a benign tumor in the lining of the brain that they felt had probably been growing for a long time, because it was big, but caused very little trauma, suggesting very slow growth), blood work, and tons of pre-brain-surgery cognitive tests, to see how functional she is before they go digging around inside her skull, so if she clucks like a chicken afterwards, they can check to see if she clucked like a chicken before, because if so, that'd be \"normal\" (cause brains are fucking weird). Also some waiting...\n\nEventually, they cut a 6\" long incision up the side of her face at her hairline (sounds bad, but being outside the hairline meant her hair grows normal, and being close to it means her hair covers it), dug a bunch of tumor tissue out from between her skull and the outer brain membrane, cauterized a fuckton of veins that the tumor had grown around (slow growth, so it was well established), installed a nice titanium plate, and then stapled it all back up with 29 surgical staples. \n\nCould have been the best Halloween ever, but the damned surgeon was a little too good, and even though she was only a few weeks out of surgery, her scar was almost undetectable by that point... A month post-op, and you couldn't see anything unless she made an effort to show you.\n\nMeanwhile, she's also had the lenses replaced in both eyes (cataracts... Been worsening over the past few years, and she was effectively blind for all of this) undergone a bunch of small behavior changes, and a few major ones, possibly because her brain was altered, but probably because she feels lucky to be alive, and even luckier to be able to see 20/30 unassisted.\n\nThat's... Well, that's about it. Her right eyebrow is borked, she can't move it at all. Oh, and she can drive again, so thats good... Still won't go near a motorcycle, but hey, nobody's perfect ;)",
"I don't believe what I want to believe. I believe what facts tell me. God doesn't exist. The government doesn't poison people with vaccines.",
"Fine, I'll stop replying. Don't get a vaccine. Die from a disease that we stopped getting years ago.",
"Your last point is scary, but it could easily go further.\n\nPharmaceutical companies lobby for less testing & regulation.\n\nConsider reduced clinical trials, or a bad production run that gets through due to manufacturer negligence - kills thousands.\n\nI am massively pro-vaccination, and people who don't get them are idiots - but submitting to government mandates is scary too.",
"Oh I'm definitely not shocked to hear a comment like that. Just unusual to see outside of /r/raisedbynarcissists. I'm sorry about your mom. I absolutly believe there were mothers willing to kill their children back then too. Wickedness has always existed. I also believe desperate mothers who didn't want/couldn't provide for another child also could pretend a child \"fell ill\". I'm sure no one would really question it like they would today.",
"Only measles except when children die from it when it was completely preventable. Yeah it's only measles.",
"Thanks, but I will.",
"Typo. Had to switch between the image, remember the translation, type it. ",
"Try danish. And it is word with multiple meanings, both in Swedish (my language) and Danish. ",
"Actually, the causation goes the other way:\n\nhttps://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/autism-and-vaccines",
"Happened with my niece. She was name after her aunt that died on her way to the hospital to visit and see her.",
"Misread vaccination as vacation and was very confused..... Kill the kids so it's cheaper to go?? ",
"I get two flu shots every year hoping my autism turns into full on savant super autism.",
"You're obviously not a member of the autistic community since you don't realize why these words *do matter, a little bit*. You're obviously not part of the medical community either, otherwise you wouldn't be using the word, since not a lot of people in the medical community seem to use it either anymore, not in 2018.\n\nBy now, I'm skeptical that you work in \"health research\" with such a mindset you've been displaying here. Oh well. But then again I don't see why your \"expertise\" matters since you just admitted you copy-pasted that from some random website, which doesn't even mention mental disorders in its context. It sounds like you've just contradicted yourself. Don't want to have a semantic argument? Don't enter one.\n\nYou can call me dull, a moron, an idiot, you can use whatever ableist insults you want... or... you could simply prove me wrong by providing a single reliable, informative, credible resource, preferably from a reputed institution, referring to ASD, schizophrenia, bipolar disorder as \"diseases\"... borderline PD, ADHD, there's plenty to choose from. Down syndrome, cerebral palsy, pick one.\n\nWhile we're at it, you're more than welcome to further proving me wrong by providing citations on how to prevent oneself from \"contracting\" said \"diseases\". I'll make it super easy for you: since depression is the most common mental issue, you should have no trouble finding me any resources on how it can be \"contracted\".\n\nHave a good day.\n\nPS: Google? Sure thing, that's cool too. Well, let's see, every time i hit autism+disease it automatically replaces the word disease with disorder. Maybe google is faulty on my end, I don't know. Do you think so?",
"Some of the best people in history have/had autism. I wouldn’t want my autism cured and I don’t think my parents would have that for me either.",
"Hmm, they'll string that shit along as well then..\n\nI can't be arsed with that show any more. There's nothing new for them to explore - apart from actually finding a coherent safe zone with a fully functioning government and army, etc. Then they can just do a version of Happy Dayz then.",
"Dad reflexes come out naturally from men who spend time around small kids where it gets to the point where you get comfortable, say even daring. You let the kid do something stupid, and something just happens that makes your body move in the speed of light when they are about to hurt themselves.\n\nSource: former daycare worker but not a dad. Have saved more kids from hurting themselves than any of my co-workers. Now if them almost hurting themselves was cuz of stuff **I** let them do is not important",
"Look up the experiments they did in world war 2 and harlem/Brooklyn ",
"A disease is a specific thing. To treat any disease properly it absolutely need to be defined correctly. In the past people with autism were not recognised, and part of the problem is it wasn't seen as a disease. The same with most mental illness. Disease is not a dirty word.",
"You know where the door is. ",
"Oh my god. This is horrible",
"Not with punishments. If you want people to do something offer them money, don't limit their rights through fines. Companies should be regulated only because they lie about their products. If they were fully open and honest they wouldn't need regulation either because people paying for their product would quickly regulate them. ",
"They appear to have been farmers in some unidentified corner of Yamhill County, probably not far from McMinnville, to judge from the censuses. But by 1890, they had moved (yet again) south to San Diego, and pretty much stayed there. Warmer weather, I suppose. My father was born in Iowa, where part of that particular family had stayed, but my grandfather moved to San Diego himself c.1920 and my father grew up in Pacific Beach. I have no living relatives now, though -- that I know of -- in San Diego, or even in California.",
"thanks ",
"Next line please.",
"Your looking at it buddy.",
"Make it fun. Keep asking where they keep the books even after they've told you. ",
"I was almost one of them. I caught salmonella twice due to infected peanut butter (peter pan serial number4111) we had two jars and I used to eat peanut butter and jelly everyday. ",
"Thanks for sharing. I am studying Biology and learned about Trisomy 18. A simple DNA error... \n\nI appreciate you and hope you are doing well! ",
"A \"simple\" DNA error that will ruin a life or two... \n\nIt may sound extremely callous to say this but sometimes a miscarriage really is the best thing that can happen.",
"Of course. That’s why our bodies have that mechanism.",
"Yes, I was just wishing for the millionth time that I had miscarried instead of having to make a terrible decision. I'd make the same decision today but it's one that I'd never want to have to make again. ",
"Those people have an out. I understand them throwing their vote to anyone. They were not the majority that pushed Trump into power. Not even close. ",
"These people probably swung Ohio (Ohio River Valley in particular) and Pennsylvania (especially the southwest of the state) to him.",
"Din mor har bättre koll på ”fina” engelska ord än mig😁",
"Reddit is liberal, obviously they have handicapped brains.",
"If you have an illness a day or two after a shot, you likely picked something up prior to getting it. ",
"Heh, well I'm from Denmark, so HC is free, it just turned out that I had been sleeping too heavily on top of a nerve/my arm, and they're not good enough to repair nerve paths just yet. So my body needed to rewire itself.\n\nI had a full session, with an expert on the field, but that's not good enough to repair it. So,,, time heals all wounds,,, I guess?",
"Just some English tips for you, it should be \"is it normal\" and capitalize \"US\". The way you wrote it can be parsed into several different sentence structures and really had me puzzling.",
"Have you considered donating the cord blood?",
"? This was before vaccines ",
"I never said you supported her position. \nLet me encourage you to read this time, if that is something you can do. \n\n> Therefore, since Jenny is one of those that would have choosen for their children to die, I assume that you want her genes to spread via breeding.\n\nAnd I ended with ... \n\n>I do not think that you support her. Just her ability to pass on her retardation through successful breeding. \n\nSo, are you incapable of parsing these words into a coherent idea, or are you being dishonest because your original ad hominem attack seems retarded? ",
"In 2015, the government where I live introduced a policy called \"No jab, no pay,\" which disqualifies parents from family support payments and tax rebates if they don't immunise their children.\n\nPlus the vaccinations are free.\n\nhttps://www.education.gov.au/no-jab-no-pay",
"Granted, that side of my family is heavily Catholic. Mary, Margaret Mary, Peter, Michael, Patricia (feminine of Patrick)... not much originality. Mostly saints and apostles.\n\nDad's side tends to recycle names pretty hard. William, John, David, at least one of those three show up every generation for over 250 years. John for my brother, William for my other brother's middle name, David for my father and for my middle name, William for my grandfather's middle, tons of duplicates.\n\nAnnoyingly, there's a second cousin of mine with the same first and last name who got a DUI a couple years ago. Different middle initial, and he's a year and a half older, but that doesn't stop dumbass attorneys from doing a simple google search and saying \"Hey, you had a DUI!\" during depositions. The attorney I work with has reached the point he runs a federal background check on me once every six months to demonstrate there's nothing there.",
"Selfish people always choose themselves and theirs over the good of society.",
"Huh? \n\nUnprotected sex is THE main reason why 1/4 of people are infected with herpes and why thousands died during the aids epidemic. \n\n\n\n",
"Hahaha. Shit. ",
"Actually I don't, since our map data is converted from old Microstation service plats.",
"I understand that rule, but I'm not sure what's the justification for that.",
"> the disease is what endangers others\n\nSo, it's not *you* who endagers others, it's *the disease*? Don't you feel like you're... whitewashing yourself a little?",
"That’s actually a very common misconception. Vaccines were actually invented in olden days. In actual fact, they are old, outdated technology.",
"> it's not you who endangers others, it's the disease?\n\nliterally yes, on the topic of diseases, it is not other humans who cause disease. Viruses and bacteria do. I understand what you mean by whitewashing, and yes I am to an extent. Just being literal and was comparing it to other things that have potential harm to people, and pointing out that *non-action* enabling potential harm is not the same as actively harming.",
"I considered it, but that won't be beneficial to my baby.",
"I translated it exactly as it is written on the little sign, altough \"in memory\" is more stylish, you have a point there",
"danish ;-.)",
"The justification for it? What justification do you need for personal freedom/autonomy? It's like what the declaration of independence says... a self-evident truth. Just obvious when you hear it....\n\n&nbsp;\n\nBob thinks everyone should smoke weed. He believes and has some evidence that it's good for you and the world would be a better place if everyone smoked weed. Should Bob have the right to force you to smoke weed at gunpoint? No. Because that's ridiculous.",
"Hey, I'm back... busy day yesterday. \n\nI have some more questions for you, if you are up to talking some more. I hope they don't come across as inflammatory or blunt. Please read as if I'm just curious about your thoughts.\n\nWhat makes Hillary so unlikable, and yet Trump remains so likable to you? I've always been curious about how people can be so enraged about alleged things that Hillary has done, but not even acknowledge, or cry \"fake news\" when there are allegations against Trump. (for the record, I'm no fan of either)\n\nDo you think that T_D is a healthy place to spend your time, even if it's for the memes? Could someone's view eventually be skewed if spending too much time on such a heavily one-sided and heavily propaganda'd subreddit? I see people from T_D on /r/politics complain often about how much leftist propaganda that sub puts out. It seems as though there is a concern in the other direction of steeping in the opposition's propaganda, but not so much on their own side. What are your thoughts on how T_D defends the POTUS? Should any president be deserving of that much blind adoration?\n\nWhen you say you're \"fairly liberal\", what do you mean by that? I'm curious what your definition of liberal is, as it seems you and I have very few views that are similar. \n\n>i've never seen such hypocrisy and hate in my life\n\nWhat political hypocrisy are you witnessing? I've also seen quite a bit of hypocrisy, but I doubt you and I mean the same thing.\n\nAs for White Privilege, I'm not sure that I understand your definition of it. Could you define it for me as you see it?\n\nThanks again for your time. This has been challenging for me, but I'm really wanting to understand the other side. I'm so tired of petty inflammatory arguments. If I can't agree with you, I want to at least understand you.",
"One of my wife's best friends has 4 children. They had two then decided to try for a third. They got twins.",
"Just because they're old doesn't mean they're outdated, just look at the wheel",
"Agreed! ",
"I think you're making my argument for me? The plague of 1903 (black death) was caused by a bacteria called Yersinia pestis, which vaccines had existed for since the 1890's. So vaccination WAS an option, meaning the OP's post is an outright lie. The problem was a lack of antibiotics for the bacteria. Not the lack of a vaccine.",
"See, when Aunt Mom doesn't help you, you ain't got what it takes to be a full on successful internet troll. Maybe when your Uncle Dad gets out of prison he'll help a bit more. ",
"Gerrymandering is what got Trump Pennsylvania. It's not just the Congressional map that was biased. Maybe the people there would have voted for him maybe not. We'll never knew.",
"And why is that? Other people have vaccines, it's the reason you are not likely to get polio if you don't have a polio vaccine. But if everyone stops getting polio vaccines, we all get polio again. Also, start stating sources. ",
"I'm not turning this into an argument about God, you said yourself that you believe only in facts. There are no actual facts that God exists. ",
"Did I say always? Nothing in life is “always”....except....I am always amazed at what shit people will say.",
"Very cool thanks a lot",
"I got a food borne illness once at it was miserable, in worst 3 illnesses (strep throat and a wicked laryngitis the other 2). With the food poisoning, my husband and I had it at the same time. Our house has one bathroom. We were both suffering at both alimentary ends. I could see hoe the dehydration could easily kill a little kid. What a way to go :(",
"I haven’t touched Peter Pan since. My room mate got a giant jar and I wrote death on the lid. I remember being so dehydrated you could pinch my skin and it would stand. My parents refused to take me to the hospital. ",
"Your parents sound like assholes.",
"They where young and we were poor but yes assholes is an apt description. I also caught a really bad flu during the peak of swine flu (not sure if it was swine flu but as I’ve never been that sick before or since I think it was) and during this time our water was shut off because poor. I got stupid dehydrated then as well and I had to search the couch for quarters while they where at work and walk to a vending machine while sick as shit in the cold just to get some liquids even if it was soda. Again never took me to the doctor. ",
"Jesus, here we are on the Internet in all our glorious modernity. A simple ORS packet would have been pennies. And CHIP - free medical care for little kids - is still somehow controversial. FYI emergency rooms cannot turn patients away for failure to pay (bills come after, but poor people qualify for assistance).\n\nOral Rehydration Salts ORS (100, One Liter Packets/Box) World Health Organization (WHO) New Formula for Food Poisoning, Hangovers, Diarrhea, Electrolyte Replacement https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00OG8G9UM/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_tai_8I2zAbHWQD5QP",
"...and I bet you none of them had autism, either. ;)\n\nNot trying to be an ass. Just trying to point out that a message like this will do absolutely nothing to sway anti-vaccers.",
"What if their only child died though? They wouldn't be a parent anymore. Ex-parent? :S",
"the varicella vaccine, which is the only live vaccine you listed, is given to a child between 12-15 months. This is the same timeline when it is OK to get honey.\n\nso if it helps, that's one way in which your argument seems to be misinformed, based on emotional response rather than fact.",
"So youre... just being an ass? ",
"You can't gerrymander a statewide race (which outside of Maine and Nebraska, the presidential race is). He won PA outright.",
"> Unprotected sex is THE main reason why 1/4 of people are infected with herpes and why thousands died during the aids epidemic.\n\nRight. 1/4 of the people **who had unprotected sex**. \n\nNot just random strangers they met on the street.\n\nUnderstand?\n\nWalking around unvaccinated puts *other people* at risk who had nothing to do with your decision. Having unprotected sex, assuming it's consensual, only endangers the participants.",
"Mr Managicall, what you've just said... Is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point, in your rambling, incoherent response, were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.",
"No I do not have children because I don't want any, but I have a very low functioning (completely dependent on 24/7 care, nonverbal -unless you count all the horrific screeching, still wets the bed, cannot be left unsupervised for more than a few minutes most of the time, often needs help eating his food) autistic brother. There is such a thing as loving your child but not liking them, or loving your child but also wishing they were different. My parents love the shit out of my brother, because he is their child. But they sure as hell wish he was normal, who wouldn't? If you haven't spent a significant amount of time caring for an autistic person, especially those who are very dependent, you really have no idea what type of caregiver strain that is. That guy posting on reddit is blowing off steam and wishing his kid wasn't autistic (again, you would be hard pressed to find a parent of an autistic child who does not wish their kid was normal) - whether or not he actually expresses any of those feelings around his kid is not something you or I would know without being friends with him in real life. From reading some of his comments, it really doesn't seem like he's a shit parent. He talks about doing everything he can to help his kid get through life and talks about the improvements that have been made presumably through things like speech therapy and what not. Until you have to care for someone full-time with a condition like this, you don't have the SLIGHTEST clue of how insanely frustrating and mentally tolling it is. I spent most of my childhood legitimately hating my brother, because kids are naturally selfish. I didn't like that he required far more attention than I did. I have AWESOME parents. They were never neglectful of me, it's just that I was a typical egocentric child who saw the other child getting *more* attention and was jealous. I didn't like having a 'weird' brother because kids at school bullied me for it. Autistic kids are noisy and throw violent temper tantrums. He used to pull my hair out - he had a thing for grabbing hair, and it got to be a really big problem. I literally asked me mom several times (I was like 4, mind you, not old enough to really understand the awfulness of what I was saying) why couldn't just get rid of my brother, put him up for adoption, bring him to an orphanage, etc. Caring for someone like this is literally an insanely high stress 24/7 job (there were many sleepless nights for everyone in the house), and if you aren't rich enough to afford some kind of live-in help (we did not have such luxury) in addition to all the other high expenses that come along with this type of child (loooots of meds, doctors, physical therapy, speech therapy, special schooling, etc) then you are inevitably going to have times where you are pissed off at your life, wish it didn't turn out that way, and need to rant about it. That guy is doing so on reddit, which is a pretty good place to do it, because people who have never directly experienced this type of thing are SUPER judgey (just like you are being) about it. You can't go telling most of your acquaintances that you wish your kid was different. That you love your child but you hate the way they have altered your life, this isn't what you signed up for. You wish your child was not the way they are. You are a *monster* if you say something like that to most people. How dare you go and rant about the frustrations of your life that most people have no perspective on! /s\n\nI really hope that this is eye opening for you and you won't be so judgmental about this in the future. This guy is in a situation just like most parents of autistic children - it's not what they signed up for, and they are salty about it, and sometimes you have to find a way to let out your frustrations to a stranger. It doesn't mean they don't love their children and provide the best upbringing they can. It doesn't mean that this guy tells his kid \"hey dude I wish you weren't you\" or treats him poorly.",
"Is that a Bible quote? Keep the topic on vaccinations, or just stop.",
"The most recent date that you have stated was 1962. Vaccines have got a lot safer since then. Also, I can't be bothered to continue this argument. You think vaccines are dangerous? Fine. Die from a problem we solved years ago. ",
"What's the movie called?",
"I wasnt even subtle with it either.",
"Will ponder your thoughts. In fact, I'm not judging him, just glad that he isn't MY dad.",
"Just because vaccines existed doesn't mean people were vaccinated. We didn't actually have much success in vaccination programs until the 1900's.\n\nHaving a preemptive solution only works if you use it ahead of the problem.",
"Actually the wheel is obsolete nowadays. Actually in the modern world we use spheres.",
"I dislike Hillary because of things that she herself has said or done yet is dismissed because \"they're just emails\" or people only care because she's a woman. Like I said, i've seen more proof painting Hillary as evil than Trump. \n\n\nTD is an echochamber. I've been downvoted heavily multiple times, but to be fair it's the only place Trump supporters have on Reddit since default subs meant to be neutral are clearly far left and any time someone criticized antifa or obama they're banned or downvoted. I don't blindly follow the man like they do though even if i like him.\n\n\nI'm more classically liberal. Everyone gets an equal chance, not an equal result. Past wrongs don't mean they should still be treated as if they're current or people vaguely resembling certain groups are given the green light for hate. LGBT doesnt bother me, but the pride parade stereotype people do. Not to mention people care about Trans people who are less than 1% of the population more than anyone else it seems. Nobody deserves special treatment and being one thing or another doesnt mean you avoid consequences for your actions or that every wrong thing that happens to you is because of your identity instead of your attitude. I don't hate any race, but race culture i do. For example american black culture promotes violence through rap and calls successful black people such as Ben Carson \"coons\" for not seeing themselves as a victim. I don't like how it's A-OK to hate white people and beat them up or blame all white people for the 3% who owned slaves. Don't even get me started on feminism and the belief that men have it better in this country because that's a whole post in itself. I value true equality, but not everyone is meant to be successful or rich. The whole belief that fascism is a major threat while people fly the Hammer and Sickle and attack those who don't agree, or alienate \"oppressed\" individuals who don't align themselves with certain groups \n\n\nWhite privilege in the sense that white people have a better hand dealt to them or are blamed for all the world's problems. Did black people have it bad at one time? Absolutely, but many ethnic groups considered \"white\" today, weren't back in the same times. \n\n\n\n\n",
"I don't even care anymore. You clearly don't think you will die from not getting a vaccine. You probably won't, but that's because everyone else is vaccinated against it, so no one can give it to you. ",
"I brought it up to support my point. But as said in another thread, i'm not doing this any more. You can have your opinions, I don't care.",
"wow. I read this as a result for when vaccines were mandatory. I was like...why would mandatory vaccines kill people? I'm an idiot.",
"I just wanted to say that none of this lengthy rant of yours put any perspective on how your brother feels. I'm glad your parents are awesome to him. That makes me happy.\n\nReddit isn't the best place to rant. I am no mental health professional, nor did I offer any counseling or venting. I would suggest to people that need it to seek out professional guidance, even if just lending an ear. \n\nMy perspective hasn't changed much. You made this whole thing about you.",
"You're right. Gerrymandering isn't a factor here. I still maintain that voters were not forced into voting for Trump. In fact, most of them wholeheartedly supported and celebrated him. I'm sure there is a portion of desperate people who gave him their vote but that was not the general sentiment of his voters while the election was going on. I've only heard that desperate vote excuse after Trump became president and embarrassed himself and the whole country.",
"I am getting some serious Poe's Law",
"There are far too many for me to be certain.",
"You didn't read a single thing he said....Reddit is so brainwashed it's insane.",
"> it is not other humans who cause disease. Viruses and bacteria do.\n\nThat's... horrible sophistry. You don't really believe that's valid moral reasoning, right?\n\n> non-action enabling potential harm is not the same as actively harming.\n\nWhen you choose to interact with other people unvaccinated, *that* is the active harm.\n\nWhat would you think about someone defending themselves by saying \"Your Honor, it wasn't *me* who hurt that person, it was *my car*. I just chose not to hit the brakes. You can't force me to a positive action just to protect somebody's safe- *where are you taking me? I'm not done explaining!*\"",
"> What justification do you need for personal freedom/autonomy?\n\nA justification that not getting vaccinated falls under personal freedom or autonomy, because I'm pretty sure it doesn't.\n\n> He believes and has some evidence that it's good for you and the world would be a better place if everyone smoked weed.\n\nIf someone doesn't smoke weed, do they hurt other people by that? How cheap is it to smoke weed? Are there any side effects?\n\nIf the answers are yes, very and no, then people should be forced to smoke weed, obviously.\n\n(The gunpoint part is just you being overly dramatic.)",
"> A justification that not getting vaccinated falls under personal freedom or autonomy, because I'm pretty sure it doesn't.\n\nIt absolutely does. I can't fathom how some of you people actually think it's right, just, and good to literally forcibly inject people with something they don't want. It's really mind boggling how anyone could think that.",
"> \"Your Honor, it wasn't me who hurt that person, it was my car.\n\nThat's completely not the same thing. You are not piloting/controlling viruses and bacteria. It would be like \"your honor, I didn't know I was infected with [new mutant strain of virus], it's not my fault a massive pandemic broke out\", which would be true. It's not your fault.",
"Last one to reply wins! =p",
"This is true. I am actually a case worker for those in services so I will have him set up for after I have passed. Its not being morbid, its reality. ",
"Fair enough. I will read them. Thanks for the interesting dialogue.",
">Can you convince me without a reasonable doubt that abortions are not being performed in any capacity after lets say 32 weeks in the US? Because that's what you're saying here. \n\n\n\n>I'll believe it given evidence, which you've failed to supply, and I've been unable to find as well. \n\nMaybe because there is none? Smh\n\n>9 month abortions DO happen, although rare. \n\nAre you actually trying to get me to prove a negative? Wtf is this? Amateur hour? Foh 😂\n\n\n>I was trying to show that there's little difference between a 6 and 9 month abortion. \n\nTo what end? What are you trying to accomplish? \n\n\n>I'm actually pro-choice and differ with Trump on this. I think a woman should be able to have an abortion at any given time. Which is the current law on the books in some states. Trump can't do anything about it, it's already been decided by the Supreme Court. Roe V Wade, I'm sure you know.\n\nYet, the people he addressed are actively lobbying to make it as difficult as possible to exercise the rights that Roe V Wade gives them. That's who Trump went to speak to! \n\n>I'm still yet to be convinced how it's impossible to have 9 month abortions in the US. Yes, he's using the extreme aspects of abortion to make a point, but he didn't lie.\n\nHis claims have no basis in reality. The fact that it aligns with your beliefs does not make it a truth. It's still a lie. \n\n>So just to sum up our conversation:\n>\n>* Did Trump say what you originally alleged? Yes he said it, but misspoke and said \"born\" instead of \"torn\", and his speech was taken out of context. Literal fake news.\n\nAnd I'm telling you his intended remark is an even bigger lie that the gaff he made was a saving grace. \n\n>* Do I think there's an abundance of women electing to have 7,8,9 month abortions? No. The numbers don't support that. \n\nI'm saying there are none. There is no evidence to support that. Which means, he made a statement based on a falsehood. Aka a lie\n\n>* Are the majority of late abortions medically related and not elective? Yes.\n>\n>* Is it fucked up that women are possibly killing fetus' that are able to feel pain? Yes, but it's their body, and their right. Our government should involve itself as little as possible in the decisions of private citizens. The Supreme court has repeatedly voted in this way.\n>\n\n\n>As a final note, I find it interesting that you actually have a similar opinion as Trump, you think abortions shouldn't happen after the first trimester, and he supports a ban after 20 weeks. Your position is actually more conservative than Trump.\n\nYeah, my belief. I'm not trying to advocate for it to be the law for everyone. That's the difference...... ",
"Thanks again for talking to me about your views. I agree with very little of what you said, but I think it's more beneficial to get an idea of what your reasoning is rather than just thinking you're an anonymous idiot. You're a real person with real reasons, and it seems like most of our disagreements have to do with our definitions of things like white privilege, feminism, and liberal views.\n\nThis is the first time I've tried this, and I look forward to having more conversations like this with people who think differently than I do. I encourage others to do the same. Maybe we can start to chip away at the tribalism infesting our dialogue.",
"#",
"And it's not even a \"part\" of the universe as life is self is a glitch, a rare occurrence. So it would not make sense that elements of this glitch like death and disease would be a significant part of the universe.",
"Oh so you know better than the medical, scientific and autistic community?\n\nDigging yourself deeper much?\n\nJust prove us wrong with reliable citations to back up your assertions, since you're so confident about them.\n\n\"and part of the problem is it wasn't seen as a disease. The same with most mental illness.\"\n\nHahaha now you just went full ridiculous.\n\nAnd btw, thank you very much for ablesplaining my conditions to me. I really appreciate your insights. I'm sure the health practitioners around me would gain a lot from your wisdom too. /s",
"People can usually come to a consensus if they stop letting party titles define them. For example, I may think abortion is morally wrong, but I don't care enough to police people to become shitty parents or cause them to abort behind closed doors. Less people in the world means less chance for shitty people. Although, it shouldn't be promoted in western countries because the population is falling, and moving in millions of immigrants with belief systems that directly oppose the ones we have doesn't solve the issue.",
"Not really, but eventually the coughing went away. A few times he just sat propped up on the couch.",
"After the discovery of antibiotics the death ages in cemeteries drastically changed on average. I did a study on a cemetery that was civil war til modern times in a rural county. ",
"Oh Jesus, microstation! ",
"Don't worry, there is only one (so-called) developed country on earth where people are dumb enough to believe that drinking tide pod and not vaccinating their children is ok.\nSurvival of the fittest - or rather the smartest here.",
"> It's really mind boggling how anyone could think that.\n\nWell, I tried to explain it. :)",
"> You are not piloting/controlling viruses and bacteria.\n\nThe reason you're controlling them is because you choose whether or not they will exist in your body, which makes your morally responsible for all damage they cause.",
"> you choose whether or not they will exist in your body\n\nNo, you do not. Just because there exists an option to possibly reduce the chances they infect your body, does not mean that declining to take that option means you are choosing whether or not they infect you. You are choosing to accept an increased risk of infection, yes, but not outright choosing to be infected.\n\n&nbsp;\n\nEdit: For example, if people were trying to say they have the legal right to go to labs and purposely inject themselves with bubonic plague and then go live among the community, I would absolutely agree that they don't have that freedom. Society would be in the right to forcibly, at gunpoint, prevent people from doing that. That is *not* the same as forcibly injecting someone with a medication they don't want to take. Seriously, so crazy to me how you not only don't differentiate between things like this, but come to the conclusion that it's okay to point a gun at someone and say \"we're injecting this into you whether you like it or not\". \n\n&nbsp;\n\nDo you understand use of force? By advocating \"forced\" vaccinations, you are saying that anyone who refuses can be killed. That's how enforced laws works. Any law that you strictly enforce implies willingness to kill someone who resists it. Are you really willing to kill people over not taking the medication you think they should take? This is seriously, morally reprehensible. ",
"> The gunpoint part is just you being overly dramatic.\n\nNo, it is not. That's what you are saying when you advocate for \"forced\". You don't seem to realize that.",
"grats! wait, no, sorry!",
"Look at the documentation that comes in the packaging of a vaccination. Immunocompromised people should not receive any vaccinations whatsoever. The CDC says so, too. Now, to be fair, there is no contraindication to those with autism or down syndrome, so I take that back. I was thinking of immunocompromised patients. My bad! \nSource: https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/hcp/acip-recs/general-recs/contraindications.html\n\nEdit: Also, people who have had bad allergic reactions to previous vaccines should be delayed from getting the next series. The scariest part, to me, is that the big pharma companies had their own court system created for compensating those people injured by vaccination. So right there, they are admitting that mistakes can happen and vaccines aren't perfect. I guess that's my major point. I'm not anti-vaccine, but EVERYTHING in medicine has a secondary effect that could be outright deadly to some people. \nSource: https://www.uscfc.uscourts.gov/vaccine-programoffice-special-masters",
"I haven't gotten a vaccine for over 30 years and I'm still here.\n\nEver heard of natural immunity? It's way strong than vaccine immunity and it also makes me a better person than you.",
"Yes, I specifically mentioned people who are allergic or immuno-compromised. Everyone else receives them on the same schedule, an autism diagnosis is irrelevant to vaccine schedule, which was what your comment that I replied to was about. ETA: I don't disagree that any medical intervention can have side effects, that's certainly true. \n\nEdit: That court system you're referring to was created by the US government, not the pharmaceutical companies and was created in response to a scare regarding vaccine side effects that ultimately turned out to be wrong. Also, many cases are awarded compensation in that system despite having no scientific evidence that proves the link between the vaccine and alleged injury it is blamed for, that is, without proof of causation. Because it is civil court, the burden of proof is much lower than what we'd normally think about when we think about proving things in court. Someone won there when they blamed the Hep B vaccine for their MS despite the fact that the only studies that have been done have outright rejected a causal relationship between the two. So I mean, take that for what it's worth, I guess.",
"> Just because there exists an option to possibly reduce the chances they infect your body, does not mean that declining to take that option means you are choosing whether or not they infect you.\n\nThat's... literally the same thing.\n\n> You are choosing to accept an increased risk of infection, yes, but not outright choosing to be infected.\n\nYou're choosing the possibility of being infected. If you vaccinate yourself, the chance of being infected is so low you can consider it zero.\n\n> By advocating \"forced\" vaccinations, you are saying that anyone who refuses can be killed. That's how enforced laws works.\n\nOr you can fine them, or imprison them.",
"> No, it is not. That's what you are saying when you advocate for \"forced\". You don't seem to realize that.\n\nI'd advocate for a high fine, or perhaps possibly imprisonment.",
"> That's... literally the same thing.\n\nNo, just because you say it is does not make it true. They are different, as I just described. *Not* taking an option to reduce chances of something is *literally* not literally the same thing as doing that thing on purpose.\n\n&nbsp;\n\nEdit: See you don't understand enforcement of laws. I know you're not advocating for the death penalty if someone verbally refuses to vaccinate. But you're advocating for arresting and imprisoning them. Well when what do you do if someone refuses to walk into prison? You point a gun at them and say you're under arrest, surrender, we're taking you to jail. And what happens if they say no? I have my own gun and I'll shoot you if you try to take me to jail for this. Now you're killing people over them not taking medicine you think they should take. ",
"my twin died when he and I were born, and my mum kept a diary throughout her pregnancy, including our (very premature) birth, his death, my time in hospital, his funeral... \n\n the saddest thing was, weirdly, when she talked about having to return the double pram they had bought. like that hemingway story everyone takes the piss out of, except she had to actually do it when I was still in hospital. \n \n it is a sobering read. as an angsty, depressed teenager I told her I wished I'd died as a baby and I regret saying that so, so much. \n\n not sure why I am saying this other than that it is strange to lose someone and not remember knowing them, but feeling their loss nontheless. like part of me isn't quite there, or not fully there. when I was three or four I wanted to make him a birthday cake and take it in a rocket up to heaven for him. I don't believe in God any more because I can't believe in a God who would take a baby away from his twin and his parents and his other brothers and sisters before he is even ready to be born... but. \n\n Sorry for rambling. I hope you never experience this. I am not having children because I am too afraid of it happening to me. ",
"Never, ever make decisions in your life out of fear of bad things happening. Fear should not guide you. You would only deprive yourself of the experiences in life that are beautiful, and what do you have without those? I’m not saying that not having kids is a bad decision. It’s a perfectly fine choice. Just don’t decide not to have them purely out of fear. If you want them, there is no reason to deprive yourself of the love and joy of being a parent just because bad things can happen. Extreme sadness can and does happen without ever having children; that’s just a fact of life. All you can do is live your life with as much happiness as possible and do your best to avoid tragedy. Sometimes it’s unavoidable, but some are fortunate enough to not have to experience much. Hope for the latter; don’t live by fear of the former.",
"thank you so much. \n\n sorry for the meltdown, not sure what triggered that. I'm ill at the moment and for some reason always miss him more when that happens. \n\nThank you. Honestly, this was such a lovely message ",
"Understandable. It’s ok to be sad. Embrace it and feel it, and when it passes step away with the knowledge that there is happiness to be had as well. I’m very sorry for your loss.",
"The slippery slope of government enforcement starts out pretty flat, too.",
"That's one thing vaccines cause. It's one or the other, make a pick.",
"Ok cool, since you have natural immunity, that means that the entire populations doesn't need vaccines then, as they are also naturally immune. Ever think that the only reason you haven't caught anything is because no one carries it, due to them being vaccinated against it? ",
"#",
"There are several studies that confirm the primary cause of autism is having an older parent, particularly an older father. As Westerners push childbearing years further back into their 30’s, 40’s and beyond (especially men) were seeing (obviously) more autism. Its true that sometimes young people have children with autism, and that traumatic events such as getting a shot can trigger the appearance of more autistic-like behaviors (or even essentially mark a distinct line in the behavioral sand between on the spectrum and no apparent symptoms of autism) but it has been proven in hundreds of studies as well as meta-studies that there is absolutely no connection between vaccines and autism other than that roughly during the same period that vaccines were being introduced people were having kids later and later into their lives and doctors have become more sophisticated about how they identify various learning/behavioral disorders. \n[sorry no sources , just a mashup of shit I’ve read on the subject]",
">anti science\n\nTIL a D-list celebrity's ramblings count as science now. ",
"I read this as vacation at first",
"I thought you said I'd be dead though.\n\nWhat are you changing your argument to now? Explain yourself more thoroughly, peasant.",
"You understand that you are an anti vaxer, right? You have no right to call me a peasant when you are literally too stupid to insult.",
"> Not taking an option to reduce chances of something is literally not literally the same thing as doing that thing on purpose.\n\nSo... if you're not doing it on purpose, are you doing it *by accident*?\n\n> But you're advocating for arresting and imprisoning them.\n\nOr maybe just a fine.\n\n> when what do you do if someone refuses to walk into prison? You point a gun at them\n\nIn most 1st world countries, the policemen just physically force the person to come with them without using a gun.\n\nIn the USA, the police (and sometimes the citizens) is trigger happy, so the best course of action is not to fight them unless you insist on surrendering your membership of Being Alive Club.\n\n> I have my own gun and I'll shoot you\n\nThat sounds like *you* would be the one holding *the police* at a gunpoint.\n\n> Now you're killing people over them not taking medicine you think they should take.\n\nNo, I'm killing people over choosing to fight the police. :) They're the ones who decided to escalate it.",
"> You understand that you are an anti vaxer, right?\n\nPfffft. Bwahahahahaha! You made milk come out of my nose! Seriously, I love it when people use labels in a pathetic attempt to prove their point.\n\nOK peasant? Learn how logical reasoning works maybe. Or, you know, just try changing your argument 5 dozen times and see what sticks. LOL",
"So you got the shit end of the stick due to no fault of your own, but that other people who got the gold end of the stick, shouldn't help ensure people like you don't get shit on?\n\nDude, you make no fvcking sense. First you say nobody should be responsible for helping others, and then you complain because nobody helped you.\n\nWhat I'm saying is we need to raise the floor on opportunity for everybody, because w/out economic freedom, there will be no political or societal freedom. If we have to lower the ceiling a little to raise the floor, fvck it, that's a no-brainer. And yes, if we could ensure equal minimums of privilege and equal minimums of responsibility to go with that privilege through the free market, then awesome. Nobody has figured that out yet so until that happens, we are stuck with govt intervention.\n\nAs far as Detroit schooling goes, welcome to anarchy-based education. Why not just homeschool if it's that bad? Or, get involved. Any chance of moving? That would be your best option, if available.\n\nI know nothing of Cote d'Ivory, but from what you stated, it sounds like it's not far from the situation in Detroit. We have some of the richest people and families in the world, and the largest economy in the world. Bullshit if we can't educate our own. The reason our education system is failing in some places and succeeding marvelously in others is because much of school funding is based on local property taxes. That's royally f'ed. It's a system designed to create a knowledge and skills gap to allow children of the privileged to have a substantial advantage over others. It's working like a charm too because we have much lower class mobility than most other advanced civilizations. \n\nWhy not eliminate all local property taxes for education and instead pool them and share them equally across the country? That's the responsibility of the privileged that I'm talking about.",
"Wow you're so #woke and intelligent! You want logical reasoning? \n\n> Ever heard of natural immunity? It's way strong than vaccine immunity \n\n-Dumbass ~ 2018\n\nSo you're saying that it's better to let a child contract polio, which has a 10% mortality rate than get them vaccinated against it and have no chance of them dying? Oh wait no, it apparently makes them a better person. ",
"> No, I'm killing people over choosing to fight the police. :) They're the ones who decided to escalate it.\n\nYea see once again you prove you don't understand enforcement of laws. You are the aggressor in this case. The hypothetical person resisting is defending themselves, and refusing to be jailed over what they view as a gross abuse of power. You could just leave them alone and let them not take your medicine, but you deem they *must*, by force if necessary.\n\n> Or maybe just a fine.\n\nAgain, any law you try to enforce has the implication of violence behind it. You clearly don't get that. So you send Mr. Smith a fine for not getting his kids vaccinated, and he just ignores it, doesn't pay. Then what? Then you go to his house to arrest him, but he says over my dead body. And now you're killing people over not taking medication you think they should take, again.",
"LOL! How many times have you changed your argument now???\n\nHere's what you started with:\n\n> Don't get a vaccine, let us know how that works for you. Oh wait, you'll be dead.\n\nStill here ~ 2018\n\nkthxbaimoron",
"I haven't changed my argument at all, it has always stayed as: vaccines are good.\n\nAlso:\n\n> kthxbaimoron\n\nYou're an adult, start acting like it. That is something a 13 year old would say.\n\n",
"Your lame \"appeal to maturity\" argument won't work either.\n\nTry again!\n\nActually don't. It was funny for a while but ya got muted now sucka!",
"Ah yes, the \"I have lost the argument because I'm a dumbass, and instead of questioning my ideals, I will instead block the other person and continue beleiving utter horseshit.\"",
"> The hypothetical person resisting is defending themselves\n\n...By drawing a gun at the police. :)\n\n> You could just leave them alone\n\nThey could've chosen to get vaccinated.\n\n> And now you're killing people over not taking medication\n\nThis is more of a problem of your thought experiments consisting of psychopaths who will draw a gun at the police. Try imagining someone more sane, and it should be fine.",
"Yes the psychopaths are the ones defending themselves from being caught, held down, and injected with something they don't want. Not you for thinking you have the right to decide that every human in a land area must have the chemicals you want injected into them, and you will physically force them if they don't do it voluntarily. Yea... they're the crazy ones.\n\n&nbsp;\n\n> ...By drawing a gun at the police. :)\n\nYes that's what defense is. When someone with a weapon threatens you with it, and tries to order you to do something you believe is wrong, having your own weapon ready to use is defending yourself.\n\n> They could've chosen to get vaccinated.\n\nYou're comparing *not* doing something with forcibly injecting people and their children with chemicals at gunpoint. \nGuy 1: Minding his own business not doing anything. \nGuy 2: Injecting people with chemicals at gunpoint. \nYea sure, totally the same thing. Totally morally equivalent.",
"> Yea... they're the crazy ones.\n\nIndeed. :)\n\n> When someone with a weapon threatens you with it, and tries to order you to do something you believe is wrong, having your own weapon ready to use is defending yourself.\n\nOnly if I'm in the right. If I'm in the wrong, drawing a gun at the police isn't self-defense, but offense.\n\n> You're comparing not doing something with forcibly injecting people and their children with chemicals at gunpoint.\n\nThe children absolutely need to be vaccinated - there is no reason why their parents' cognitive insufficiency should be allowed to place them in danger.\n\nForcibly vaccinating adults might seem more controversial, but I really see no moral problem with that either.\n\n> Guy 1: Minding his own business not doing anything.\n\n...Except putting other people in danger by not getting vaccinated.",
"oh my god, same",
"All in the same week and two in one day. I can't even imagine. ",
"It easy to judge someone else's position when they're not living it. ",
"You have no idea what you're talking about. ",
"Yeah people have no idea what living with an autistic child is like. Easy to judge when you're not in that situation and it sounds horrible that someone isn't happy being a parent. It's not just *oh is that cute he likes fidget spinners?!* It's \"oh he just spent an hour spitting on everything we own and nothing we do stops him and now he's biting me and he just broke the TV and I have to put him in a safe hold so he stops hurting himself and everyone else\". ",
"In retrospect, I agree. I apologize for my earlier comment. I was being a douche. ",
"Thanks. ",
"NP, again, apologies. Passing unnecessary judgment does nothing to help. It was uncalled for on my part.",
"Helmet laws do not exist everywhere nor do many of the seat belt laws.\n\nI support vaccines but do not support many of the shit laws about seat belts and helmets which vary from location to location some having no helmet laws.",
"Also incorrect... humans evolve whether you like it or not, it's completely out of my hands. \n\nAnd it's 'down' your throat. English is a bitch, I AM well aware. ",
"Glad you are searching through my posting history though!:D",
"It's an interesting read... you sure love your casualiamas, that's certain. Love your passion for human languages, I'm the same way (though not nearly as dedicated in practicing them. English foots the bill quite nicely for communicating efficiently and precisely). ",
"Hmm. Who says I have a passion for other languages? ",
"I guess it's hard to imagine what life was before Europeans came to the Americas. That's what is hard about learning history through a single observer's eyes.\n\nOf course it seemed like the diseases were devastating and rampant, but remember, WE brought that to the indigenous people. Small pox was not an issue before large bands of white men began making contact.\n\nOur view of history is so biased and shortsided, it makes it difficult to think that life did exist before white men arrived in the Americas and it also existed a LONG time before the advent of agriculture and forced labor settlements.",
"Does big pharma pay people to post things like this? I mean it's really a useless post outside of fear mongering to sell some shots that only work 60% of the time at best. ",
"I read the title like 5 times and was still thinking why did not having a vacation/holiday kill the kids? ",
"Natural selection.",
"I have two kids and still am known as Uncle by our friend's kid. I'm more of a father figure to him than his own deadbeat father."
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"\"What's for lunch? I won't eat anything frozen, fried or with gluten.\"\n\"It's a surprise.\"",
"That's not funny. I have a unique, imaginary gluten allergy that isn't known to science but makes me feel special.",
"Pour a little MSG on that and my dinner is ready",
"My Mum developed the very same thing a couple of years ago. I don't even know how she's alive, after eating it for 60-odd years...",
"Discovered I have gluten intolerance a couple weeks ago, this would put me down for a few days. ",
"I was expecting soap.",
"Sell it from a food truck for maximum mind fuck.",
"OP appears to be a karma-farming bot that can only copy/paste other people's stuff. The account was born on March 2, 2017 and woke up 4 days ago.\n\nHere it copied/pasted /u/Book-It's submission/title from [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/4p3p9s/found_hipster_repellant_at_an_asian_grocery_store/).\n\nIts first-person comment [before this](https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/7s4ntj/brilliant/dt1zjrg/) is a copy/paste of /u/vanquish421's comment [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/3erqfr/brilliant/cti2b9x/). Interestingly, that thread was started by u/sammyelrefee, who is also [almost certainly](https://www.reddit.com/r/TheseFuckingAccounts/comments/7s5uhh/sammyelrefee_born_on_february_26_2016_woke_up_4/) a karma-farming bot.\n\nIts submission/title [before that](https://www.reddit.com/r/BlackPeopleTwitter/comments/7s4oll/i_keepem_clean_though/) is a copy/paste of /u/cjsutherland's submission/title [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/BlackPeopleTwitter/comments/4xjgaq/i_keepem_clean_though/).\n\nIts comment [before that](https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/7s4e3a/important_message_from_a_dad_to_society/dt1ylu8/) is a copy/paste of /u/crd3635's comment [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/4gd530/important_message_from_a_dad_to_society/d2gjpcd/). Interestingly, that thread was starte dby u/trooper5611, who is also [almost certainly](https://www.reddit.com/r/TheseFuckingAccounts/comments/7s5tg6/trooper5611_same_old_thing/) a karma-farming bot.\n\nIf you're not familiar with these types of accounts (and how they hurt reddit), [this page](https://www.reddit.com/r/quityourbullshit/comments/3jss04/meta_spammers_how_they_work_and_how_to_spot_them/) may help to explain.\n",
"People who pull that shit piss me off so bad. I went through the whole biopsy shit to get diagnosed. Celiac Disease."
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"You’re welcome ",
"$10 they were texting",
"The event took a wicked turn.",
"We've had quite a lot of rain in the last few days in England, so it *might* be related to surface water. Your suggestion is more likely, though."
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"Is 'Men Never Let Women win' an order or an observation?\n\nRegardless, unlike making yourself look like a damn duck this face exists to express the notion of the person in the photo being excited or just generally shouting 'YEAH!'\n\nDuck face just makes you look like an idiot trying to look like a fucking duck for some reason. Honest question: Do women who do duck face think it makes them look good/better? Because it does not.",
"These are all nerdy betas",
"i dunno, have you seen the female cosplayers swooning over jesse cox?",
"I'm more bothered by the random capital letters in the titel than I should be",
"I thought it was a new movement called *Men Never Let women win* ",
"Symptom of excessive soy consumption."
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The male version of duck face Men Never Let women win.
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"Damn! What a Beautifowl picture. ",
"The Owlsen Twins",
"Owlstanding!",
"r/superbowl",
"Are they standing on a rail-road track, or is that the sun through one of the owls tail-feathers?",
"Kill fuck marry?",
"Who",
"Twit ",
"Odd choice on the fuck part.",
"About to drop the worst mix tape of 2018.",
"Boooo",
"Is it really though?",
"They are probably 500 year old witches trying to flirt their way to your soul and I'd gladly oblige. ",
"This is always an awesome picture every time I see it, but [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/5zyw0l/two_girls_one_owl/) is what I think is the original post from 10 months ago, and /u/triplemayo / [Zach Allia](http://www.zachallia.com/) is who took the photo.\n\nEdit for spelling and wording.",
"Tongue punch fart box on the right side girl",
"These two look like every NYC trust fund kid on their gap year backpacking in Peru.",
"Who can deny to that majestic owl",
"My right or your right? ",
"2,3,1",
"The girl on the lefts facial features drop down and on the right they perk up",
"thank you! I was looking through the comments wondering if OP gave credit to the original artist.\n\n*the original photographer is /u/triplemayo",
"Not a problem, I actually saved the original link with the artist info just so I could credit him again if needed. I'd have to look through it again to find it, but I believe that the context and setup of the original photo is talked about in the older post.",
"Owl feathers. Like nobody would take a selfie on train tracks? /s\n\nEdit: rereading my comment and realized it needed to be said in Shaggy's voice: Like nobody would take a selfie on train tracks, Scoob!",
"Wait, this sub is really about owls?? Haha",
"What kind/brand is the jacket they wearing? ",
"only superb ones apparently",
"Thats some serious hoverhand/wing",
"/r/fakealbumcovers",
"Hoo is that in the middle? ",
"Stroke",
":(",
"Welcome to Reddit! Tis a silly place.",
"r/madmagazine",
"I’d like to fart in their mouths. ",
"Much better than the cup variant",
"Check out the girl on the right's hair.",
"Nice pic of an owl, pity those two girls are in the foreground.",
"Was thinking the same thing. This gets reposted a lot without credit.",
"They look like some kind of poncho, but I have no idea. Am interested also. ",
"I was expecting a bunch of Patriots Super Bowl memes. This picture perhaps being from a playoff commercial I thought? *shrugs* owls are neat",
"The final moments of these two girls as the owl goes in for the kill... pity, poor girls never stood a chance. Theres nothing the photographer could do except count his blessings that the owl was busy when he fled the scene.",
"[haaaaaaaaa](https://imgur.com/gallery/rdaxB) ",
"Id watch that porno, it’d probably be pretty violent tho. ",
"right one ",
"To be fair, they only look like the _female_ trust fund kids. The males look different. ",
"https://imgur.com/Njk0a7B",
"I can smell the weed from here ",
"Nowhere near a shitty outcome as was expected.\n\nLess retch inducing too.",
"I didn't realize that they were the same person, thanks for the clarification. ",
"if you look closely you can spot the difference by their brightly colored feathers and their date-rapey mating rituals.",
"Yeah, before I saw the image I was thinking \"that poor owl\".",
"\"Now stay still and behave Mr Hooty, a bit o' poo never hurt no-one! Ouch it scratched me on me bum, the little cunt!\"",
"It could be Bells Palsy",
"Bm",
"Guess which one has the better person(owl)ity.",
"I have never seen a more r/Iceland picutre in my life.",
"This pic is almost too perfect to be. It looks photoshopped ...",
"Found it in the old thread. [Though I hope you have a spare $1395.](https://www.westerlindoutdoor.com/products/skywalker-trench-cloak?variant=246880174103) ",
"Is that the girl from the Netflix film Bright \n",
"There's actually only one and she's just moving so fast it appears that there are two\n\nFact",
"What kind of hoodies are those",
"Wait, what did they do to that poor owl? The title implies...a lot.",
"They're way too expensive.",
"Mines",
"The female on the right is a before photo, and the female on the left is a photo taken after she experimented with one heroin. ",
"I could swear I saw this photo *much* longer ago than 10 months. Maybe on a photography site, rather than Reddit? Zach, if you are around (/u/triplemayo), can you confirm? It was so stunning, I remember it, but I could swear it was a couple of years ago.",
"No, that is an owl and **one** girl moving back and forth very fast to give the appearance of being two people.",
"/r/marijuanaenthusiasts \nedited link",
"Contact? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2-LEBc2sO8",
"On second thought let's not go there.\n",
"(in Scooby's voice) *Train snacks? Wooo!*",
"Skyrim belongs to the nords",
"It's only a model ",
"pretty ",
"two models and there owl agent beautiful picture ;)",
"Anyone know their names?",
"Nope! I took it early last year and posted on my instagram first (@zachallia)",
"Girl on the right is Charly Jordan",
"That subreddit seems to have fallen away from what it used to be. /r/trees was all about marijuana, and /r/marijuana_enthusiasts was just tree photos.",
"This has a remarkably Game of Thrones aesthetic about it, like the Wildlings had an ancient royal family, lost to the ravages of time, and these two princesses have returned to claim a throne concealed beneath the Wall.",
"10/10 would do that owl",
"Witches, witches, I tell you! Throw them in the pond to see if they float. If they float, burn them!",
"/r/marijuanaenthusiasts it still is",
"[good good](https://imgur.com/gallery/TXx1e) ",
"During the super bowl its about the football game but for the rest of the year its top quality owls",
"Well, shit. How confusing.",
"Where can I buy that huge hooded jacket thing?",
"He hasn't proven it just yet though, and we still don't know why",
"Sounds familiar",
"It sounds like Björk gargling to RTJ.",
"They are looking much healthier now. ",
"Girl on the left is Britten Duerden! Lovely person. (:",
"Thanks! ",
"Thanks!",
"Fk off with this repost OP tool. ",
"Reeeeepooooooost",
"IIRC, The photographer borrowed the jackets which costs upwards of $800 each. Thats all I know",
"One on the left looks ratchet af lol poor thing ",
"Pinky promise you're not lying? ",
"The left girl has the features of a downvote and the right has the features of an upvote. Am I the only one noticing this?\n",
"I think it's a \"my preferred order\" joke.",
"the right one please",
"Mary Kate and Ashley’s Owlson",
"Nope. Chuck Testa.",
"MONTHLY REPOST",
"Mary Kate & Ashley?",
"Those girls are Alaskan hipsters.",
"Owl, significantly better then a cup...",
"PinbOWL Wizard?",
"r/fakealbumcovers for the duo's album ",
"So which one of the girls do you think is gonna poop on the owl? ",
"I see that this owl has also mastered the art of the /r/hoverhand/ in the wake of the #metoo movement.",
"It's a trench cloak. \n\nI hope they become a thing. ",
"Was the girl on the left in Bright?",
"If he doesn't take photos of the beautiful carnage he is not a real photographer.",
"Similar ones are all over eBay for less than $30, just search Southwest poncho or something like that ",
"I won’t lie I really just want to know where they got those amazing coats",
"Came here for this. ",
"aaaand you just ruined game of thrones for me.",
"The hoverhand is strong with that owl.",
"Now THIS would make an excellent album cover. Probably for some sort of Scandinavian electronic zen band.",
"They don't poop on the owl do they?",
"God damn you Democrats!",
"That is 100% not the poncho either of them is wearing. ",
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"Where is the chocolate soft serve?",
"Well yea it's superb owl. What else could it possibly be about /s",
"Schrodingers Olsen Twin",
"I'm curious, does anyone know why this image is mirrored on his instragram-account?\n\n/u/triplemayo ?",
"Is it bad I'm more focused on this awesome hoodies they're wearing lol",
"She's Charly Jordan on Instagram. Pretty photogenic. ",
"Those ponchos they're wearing were borrowed for the shoot as they're wicked expensive (upwards $1500). ",
"She's Charly Jordan. Her insta is charlyjordan10 FYI. Pretty photogenic. Her stories cringe me tho, fair warning. ",
"Girl on the left is wearing the Los Ojos pattern on the page I linked. So you're 100% wrong.",
"The owlson twins",
"I'm expecting this to be on the next GAP advertisement. ",
"That’s fucked up, 2 girls 1 cup was already bad enough...",
"Natives from the owl clan.",
"That's not it. ",
"And a lot of excrement. ",
"Going by the post title, next step is...twincest?",
"r/superbowl",
"3, 1, 2",
"To be fair, if I recall correctly from the last time this was posted, those are like 1500$ ponchos so you're probably not far off from the truth",
"meh. 2/10. ",
"Nah, those poncho/hoodies are amazing.",
"Too hot. Go away. ",
"Two girls one cup?",
"Sounds like a good porno",
"Two very pretty girls and one majestic owl",
"/r/potatosalad",
"Where’s the guano?",
"Damn those oversculpted brows.",
"This is all I remember from seeing this post the first time. ",
"If she's not careful, she could create a time abberation",
"The Olsen twins are looking good!",
"They’re beautiful",
"You are both 100% invested. ",
"The fuck?",
"Not just any owls. The superb ones.",
"which is too bad, i enjoy the picture but I just can't reconcile the aesthetic of the picture with the price tag of everything I'm looking at",
"When is the album dropping ? ",
"Majestic!",
"The girl on the right looks like Jaina at first glance.",
"They’re atrocious! Cover their brows with the top of your screen and they look so much more natural and beautiful. I hate the nasty trend of huge, dark eyebrows. The only time that is beautiful is when it is a NATURAL eyebrow.\n\n",
"This photo is breathtaking, honestly. I wish you the best of luck in your future photography endeavors. ",
"/r/JohnCena",
"I enjoy seeing hooters.",
"That’s funny. Haha!",
"I can already hear one of them telling me they cheated on me because our signs aren't compatible",
" Electric Forest's new cover art...lol",
"I desperately need the hoodie both of their hoodies. Got any info on where those are sold? or are they custom?",
"Not to be an ass or anything but... you can be considered an artist taking photos now?",
"Umm... where? 🤔",
"I think they even sell them in truck stops",
"All of the photos are fantastic, actually. The framing and composition are insane. Thanks Zach. Looking at his client list he's not hurting for good luck either.",
"I recall from last time this was posted, both those hoodies were available to purchase, but were laughably expensive\n\nEdit, 1400$ https://www.westerlindoutdoor.com/products/skywalker-trench-cloak?variant=246880174103",
"My favorite album on Spotify",
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"You went full left man, never go full left.",
"Dayum.... oh to be that rich!",
"Correct me if I am wrong here:\n\n/r/superbowl was created during the NFL fiasco awhile back where so much as breathing the word \"Super Bowl\" or similar without their permission was taboo. So Reddit, as usual, came together and played a game of workaround. Thus the sub was born.\n\nOr I am somehow combining memories and am wrong as shit.",
"https://www.westerlindoutdoor.com/products/lind-trenchcloak-w-los-ojos-o-s?variant=246910320663",
"What the Olsen twins could've looked like without the drugs or surgery.",
"Expensive Pendleton fabric, woven into extremely expensive capes by Lindsey Thornburg. If you're handy at sewing at all you could [make your own for a fraction of the price](http://thewoolenmillstore.blogspot.com/p/blanket-weight-wool-jacquards.html)",
"Owl: My bitches! 😎",
"Wow thanks for coming in with a link! Now maybe I could buy those for myself! **sees prices** well looks like this is dreaming material.....",
"Is that your choices for \"Marry, Fuck, Send as a silent hunter to eliminate small mammals\"?",
"The Olson twins look different....",
"Left",
"Cool, so we just repost this every 3 months? Gotcha.",
"Mongolians",
"I love this repost!",
"Two rich hipsters one owl. I kind of chuckled with the comments above. \"So breathtaking.\" Ummmmm, ok. ",
"You put into words so much more eloquently the thought I was struggling to give birth to.",
"Guy seems to have a serious grudge against people with money. ",
"Those hoodies..... ",
"They look like the type of girls that smoke hella weed, but for reasons that are on entirely opposite ends of the spectrum. ",
"My fantasy is to train this trio to fight demons...",
"Interesting how their facial features are almost total opposite. Girl on the left eyebrows,lips, cheeks curve down. Girl on right curves upward. Both very attractive girls though.",
"> Damn those oversculpted brows.\n\nWhy do people do this? It looks ridiculous. ",
"Why do young girls have those crazy big and dark eye brows now? They don't match their hair color and they look so weird. The edges look too sharp as well and they just look so wrong.",
"I think The Colbert Report made superb owl popular (if not outright created the term), at least that's how I remember it.",
"Shh!",
"Weird. Thats what I thought too. I thought I saw it like three years ago. It is blowing my mind it was only 10 months ago.",
"Is this heaven? I think I might be in heaven.",
"Money does not make one a Hipster. Trust me. ",
"you can tell that those girls totally have healthcare. ",
"For that price, does the poncho come with the owl?",
"r/beetlejuicing",
"Some white girls dressed like Indians... ",
"Better call Will Smith to take care of these Brights",
"Yeah something fishy. Definitely seen this a LONG ass time ago. Feels like the Mandala effect.",
"Great indie band cover.",
"Me-owl!",
"There's a joke about Heath Ledger and Barry Allen's mom buried in this somewhere.",
"r/fakealbumcovers",
"This one wasn't very eloquent either, bud.",
"Agreed.",
"Girl on left (shorter hair) looks like Riley from Sense8. ",
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"Those ponchos are actually made BY owls. That is the QC supervisor.",
"It’s literally never about the football game, they just get a lot of traffic to downvote for being irrelevant around that time.",
"Gotta love those Harry Potter loving chicks. They are great in bed.\n\n",
"Because they like it, and presumably consider their own opinion to be more important than that of some random dude on the Internet. ",
"\"These two girls and their owl are disrupting a $30B industry\"..read more",
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"That owl really knows how to pose on photos :)",
"aka The Jennifer Connelly",
"It isn't just some random dude though, it is lots of people. There are comments below with 70+ votes if your mind is so small that this is the important thing to you. Also I don't think they do like it. They get lots of unpleasant things done to them in the name of vanity, not because they like it. You are going to have to try harder than that. ",
"The owls are not what they seem.",
"I thought it was the olsen twins at first glance.",
"2 3 1",
"@britttten and @charlyjordan10 on instagram",
"I’ll take the lot",
"Mary Kate and Ashley look out, there is an owl swooping down on you to attack!",
"I think it was football for april fools one time.\n\nsame with /r/dataisbeautiful being about Data from Star Trek one time.",
"\"plz give me attention im good looking\"\n\ni dont like the new generation. with all ur selfie bullshit.",
"superb owl. i think that's the joke. ",
"It was a joke.",
"Well, could you dig it out please?",
"Everyone with money is \"date-rapey\"",
"Fuck anyone spending $1400 on a shirt.\nAnd fuck their parents for giving it to them.\nSorry, just so goddam wasteful, ridiculous, and unnecessary.",
"Same with r/trees and r/marijuanaenthusiasts. April fools only.",
"1,3,2 ",
"Which is pretty much all of them isn't it?",
"model on the right charlyjordan10",
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"I'll take the \"the one on the right\" for $1000 Alex",
"The girl on the right is Charly Jordan, I believe. ",
"Nice hooter ",
"IIRC Stephen Colbert coined that turn of a phrase",
"Two girls one octopus. ",
">$1395\n\nWhy?",
"Me: The one of the left\n\ncoworker: Your left or the owl's left\n\nMe: Yes...",
"Oh that's weird, I thought i had it saved from a lot earlier than that too!",
"He’s talking about the owl.",
"would you rather they hoard their money in a bank account? frivolous spending is probably the best thing rich people can do with their money (next to donations to good charities), as long as the companies they spend that money on are ethical. your anger just comes across as jealousy more than any actual caring about \"wasteful\"ness",
"Superb Owl",
"The before picture",
"Are those the blonde twins child actors form Different Strokes or some similar shit?",
"Welcome to the entire world of high fashion, especially streetwear. It's being expensive is 50% of the appeal, because it makes it exclusive. I could buy a nigh identical poncho at a Latin market up my street for $15-20, but it wouldn't be *that* jacket. Apple openly admits they use the same philosophy in pricing their products, granted their products actually do stuff instead of just looking 'cool' for a season.",
"So when's the owl gonna $#!/ In their mouths? Or did I get the wrong reference?",
"Marry one, kill one, fuck one. Go!. ",
"Who gives a hoot?",
"Lol",
"Wrong one.The one you're thinking of doesn't have an underscore.\n/r/marijuanaenthusiasts",
"Wtf",
"nice pic",
"Go on....",
"...but that's the best mixtape I've ever seen",
"Haha I see what you did there!\n\nSuper b owl",
"Probably because most of the people we see convicted in the media of date-rape-esque shit are frat-boys or otherwise rich, privileged athletes.\n\n(Downvoted because... truth?)",
"... Or they are models? They have striking enough features . People seem a little bitter below here. It makes you want to ask, 'who was she and what did she do to you?' ",
"Two very hot girls",
"Those girls look nothing alike",
"SAFE FOR WORK: \nImagine [this](https://i.imgur.com/YXpwxIF.gifv) but in porn form. There is such a video and I recently tried looking it up to show a friend but didn't have luck finding it. It was two Asian girls and one octopus. I thought the octopus was dead but at very end of the video the octopus was crawling away. ",
"I’ve never seen the video for 2 girls one cup. How would one find it?",
"Dude. Same thing here, and I distinctly remember the comments and being surprised by the price of the hoodies. I swear I saw this years ago... I'm now curious why did some of us have this feeling. ",
"Okay so let's say they do it out of vanity, out of taking pride in their appearance. If they take pride in their appearance, why would they do makeup in a manner that they don't actually like? ",
"There's at least two people who will pay it",
"Owls hold the best slave auctions. I bid 10,000 quatloos for the one on the left.",
"2,7,3",
"The NFL hates this sub.",
"Aaah.... cute girls with hoodies... ",
"How many times is this going to be reposted?",
"Joking ~notjoking~\n\n312",
"> Its* being expensive...\n\nDrop the apostrophe to make it possessive.",
"It’s ok daddy will take care of it",
"k",
"Owl discrimination makes me sick.",
"I haven't seen anyone actually attacking the girls, just the piece itself and the observation that the combined 3000$ worth of what I can only guess are 'Native American inspired' designs that smacks of cultural appropriation kind of makes the piece seem......contrived",
"You are implying they will eat the owl while making out?",
"Owlbum cover!",
"/r/johncena and /r/potatosalad",
"Who?",
"\"It was like... the most spiritual\n thing ever you know... like all these people just so attuned to their chakras.\" \n\nSaid the 20 year old staying in a $900 a night hotel. ",
"I'd watch that vid",
"I’d like to know where the girls got their cowls 😍",
"Last time I read a title like that, I didn't like what I saw. ",
"I was looking for this comment",
"Yeah.",
"I think my friend made me watch this video when I was in college. It was ok at first, but the ending got a little weird.",
"I'm a fan of the middle myself ",
"There is an owl in this picture?",
"I'm not even mad. ",
"you do not want to mess with those girls. the man who did was found in the woods facing a tree with his eyes and tongue cut out. ",
"I came here totally expecting NSFW.. \n",
"[For your listening pleasure](http://listenonrepeat.com/watch/?v=FTQbiNvZqaY#Toto_-_Africa)",
"Is it bad that I expected the owl to be pooping on them? Or them onto the owl ...",
"Best...album cover...ever...",
"Someone said that exact same thing last time it was posted. It’s very true though. ",
"Kinky",
"Is it me, or are their faces like mini comedy/tradgey masks? If you just look at one you don't notice it, but switching between the two feels like a huge difference.",
"I feel like another sacrifice on Vikings is about to happen.",
"You mean, like a *speed mirage*",
"No, I see it too. Left side is all angled down while right side is all angled up.",
"Not a plug, just looking through Etsy for something comparable \n\nPrimitivetribalcraft has hoodies and stuff with large hoods but honestly keyword 'hippie hoodie' or 'festival clothes' should get you in the ballpark ",
"...but where's the poop?",
"I would subscribe if that's what it was all the time. Lt Commander Data is beautiful, inside and out.",
"( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)",
"Is that Mary-Kate and Ashley Owlson?",
"Owl: \"These are my hoo's\"",
"> convicted in the media\n\nThere's your reason right there, it's selection bias based on what will create the largest splash in the news. \n\nBy dint of the majority of the population not being \"wealthy\" per se, and combined with the fact that [low-status males are more likely to commit rape](http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/14616660110067357), you're only viewing a minority of instances but perceiving them as the majority. \n\nThe majority of rapes are committed by low socioeconomic status males, not high-status ones. You mostly only see the less-likely cases in the media because *deviations from the norm are what news is based around*.",
"Charly Jordan on the right yea?",
"I like to think that this is the Owl version of adding bunny ears to the two girls.",
"Haha wtf",
"Think it was made off a joke, I remember a thread where someone mentioned that r/superbowl should be about owls instead of the super bowl, and since there was no subreddit yet someone made it happen ",
"Maybe it was a similar picture, because I feel like I've seen this almost a few years ago. ",
"We got 'em!",
"I still don't understand this one",
"Looks like an indie album cover ",
"Remind Me! 6 months, post this photo of the owl and girls for karma",
"“These are my beautiful blonde humans”",
"The girl on the right is hoot",
"I looked at the one from 10 months ago and I had some upvotes in there. Must be legit.",
"https://imgur.com/4NdSLxE",
"So much beauty in one picture. ",
"Maybe rethink that title?",
"Thanks g r an d p a",
"This is the most internet thing I’ve ever seen.",
"Holy shit those ladies are gorgeous. The owl too, but damn. Everything about this photo screams \"Godsdamned glorious!\"",
"Such a beautiful owl.",
"Like from the animè Shaman King ",
"Great album cover",
"So because I have money I'm date-rapey? Do poor people always look druggy? Fuck outta here with your prejudice. ",
"Dope album [cover]",
"I'm more than aware of media bias. That was my point, in fact.\n\nIt doesn't increase viewership when poor people commit crimes, usually, because that's to be expected. That being said, there's a difference between \"date-rape\" and rape I feel.\n\nDate-rape cases usually involve lawyers and a spectacle of a trial because there is dispute as to consent. Outright rape cases are usually less of a spectacle because.... it's pretty hard to defend against your bodily fluids being found somewhere you have no reasonable business being.\n\nI agree with you, nonetheless.",
"John Cena being \"potato salad\" is a reference used by wrestling fans to refer to his wholesome but non-edgy character, thus as \"boring as potato salad.\" I'm not entirely sure how they got switched around, but that's the gist of it. Now r/johncena is about potato salad, and vice versa. ",
"Heya, great photo! I still remember that first thread. Feels like much longer ago!",
"I didn't now i need this in my life! We should brigade them",
"Her?",
"Can I get the girls without the owl?",
"'Yfw da bears win da superb Owl' meme predates Colbert by several years.",
"I love Toto's classic, \"Africa.\"",
"this photo is so violently instagram its being use as a clothing ad",
"How the fuck could any poncho be more than like $50 bucks!? Unless it's like diamond plated...",
"the one on the left smokes for an eating disorder. the one on the right smokes because daddy gives it to her, even tho her father says no.",
"Lol, fuck you... XD",
"Gang.",
"Those ponchos look crazy comfortable though ",
"I'm not the person who said that, but the general public lacks the cultural context to understand how \"date rape\" relates to extreme wealth. \n\nIn the very, very, very upper classes, the ones you will personally never have met, the %1, the women are raised in the style of princesses - as valuable purebred pawns to be traded in marriage to solidify fortunes. Their education is entirely arranged to increase their trading value. They are therefore absolutely not allowed to marry for love. \n\nNational Lampoon made at least 12 movies about some hapless kid in college falling in love with a rich girl whose highly wealthy asshole father would not allow her to date young men with no money. Harvard Lampoon writers are typically intelligent young men who cannot get with certain women at their school, and the sensation of meeting a feudally raised princess with no real civil rights and pleading for her hand against obdurate resistance is apparently so affecting it's worth making heartfelt movies about. National Lampoon are the only ones even talking about this as a romantic crises, because you would only ever glimpse these people in Ivy League colleges, and they are raised to be very attractive and trained to have no backbone to choose their own life path.\n\nThe date rape aspect of college life, is that other young men, the marriage prospects, the ones you will have never met either, the %1, the ones who are in the school because their parents paid for a new stadium, will have been raised to think of women as property, and of consent as a contemptible affectation. They may not have been overtly told these things, but the sneering, contemptuous, viciously cruel and wealthy young man in an exclusive frat is a trope for a reason. \n\nNot all of the hyper wealthy in America are like that. But one of the surer ways to become hyper wealthy is to enslave other people, which is how you get these walled off foreign factories where people are chained to their sewing machines, and entire countries forced to harvest bananas for decades. They used to do it in America but we had a war about it. Nonetheless, there is a substantial network of families of powerful people who view others as fungible property. This isn't even something you can argue about. You look at the Koch brothers for .3 seconds, you see a type of horrific entitlement about other people's lives. \n\nThere's no reason to believe that they would shy at date rape. We usually don't meet the families who literally rape the planet, they're locked behind miles of fence and gate, but in certain expensive colleges you can glimpse their children. As date rape is not a crime in their community, their sons never do time. \n\nBrock Turner was not at that level, but he was clearly raised to believe he either was already a member or could get into that society, which is why his entire family is utterly confused and disbelieving that this is even an issue, much less a crime. It's why nothing he does or says in response makes sense, it's why her highly affecting letter was meaningless to him, unheard. \n\n**TL;DR: \"Date rape\" is a topic the very upper classes don't care about. Old money considers rape a form of courting. The %1 are predatory, even among themselves.**",
"[Not all of them](http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/10/22/07/456BFF3C00000578-4988740-Rough_and_ready_This_photographs_captures_a_scruffy_owl_that_loo-a-2_1508654482798.jpg)",
"r/fakealbumcovers should make some native American style cover out of this masterpiece ",
"Here we're talking about rich people who look druggy. Specifically, the Olsen Twins, whose claim to legitimacy is clinging to high-fashion society, which is as date-rapey as it gets.",
"I'd watch that. ",
"Those eyes ",
"Hey if I was an NYC trust fund kid I would spend time backpacking in Peru, too.\n\nBetter than swimming in money and bitching at the help.",
"If you ever want to roleplay what it would feel like to spend $1400 on a shirt, you can play EvE Online. Last time I logged in, pilot clothing/accessories were more expensive than top-of-the-line battleships.",
"nonsense. it's one girl moving really fast.",
"Your mother was a hamster, and your father smelled of elderberries!",
"Fly By Night by Rush: The 2018 Hipster Re-Release",
"I thought it said \n\nTwo girls one bowl.",
"Yeah... fuck that owl.. fuck it good...",
"Owl photoboom",
"didn't notice the ponchos, but the makeup & expressions tell the tale",
"It’s obviously overpriced but it’s at least hand made with Pendleton materials so that’s partly why it’s so much. ",
"Ohh I hope they had fun on their voluntourist adventure ",
"Historically, the upperclass were very rapey, because they could get away with it. Lords raping peasants wasn't a serious crime, and buying silence is common today. Afterall, isn't sex one of the main motives behind going after money/power.\n\n*I know poor people rape too, but I'm just saying the people more likely to do it are the ones who can get away with it",
"You sound bitter.",
"I can only hear Nightwish in the background. ",
"Subscribed!",
"Talking shite there mate - there's simply no evidence to support that narrative.\n\nhttps://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/10/30/health/men-rape-sexual-assault.html\n\nhttps://sapac.umich.edu/article/196",
"Depends on the material used and the manual labor that goes into it. Silk and cashmere are two very expensive materials that could jack up the item price heavily.",
"I like the design of their clothes. Anyone know where you can get ones with similar designs?",
"Except 9/10 times the company isn’t ethical. ",
"Here's a similar one for.... not $1,300....\n\n\nhttps://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B014O3GIO0/ref=mp_s_a_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1516652149&sr=8-2&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_QL65&keywords=hooded%2Bponcho&dpPl=1&dpID=41N6yilB5HL&ref=plSrch&th=1&psc=1\n",
"And from the last time this was posted, the two girls are just modeling the brand's product. ",
"Hover hands",
"Meth: not even once",
"Your comment just reeks of jealousy. Wealthy people don't have to abide by your financial budgets. To them, $1400 for a shirt could be $14 for you. Very narrow-minded to judge everyone else by your own criteria of spending.",
"FKM",
"Better to weave your own at that point.",
"still, rich people spending money on consumer goods is like the worst thing to be angry at rich people about",
"Much better than two girls and a cup ",
"Who gives a hoot about the owl? All I'm seeing is that... landscape.",
"[It's not even a selfie](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selfie)\n\n\n",
"What's a fakeal?",
"Way ahead of you",
"Not when it is luxury goods with an insane margin, of which little profit is directed towards the worker. It perpetuates income inequality. If you buy a hoodie that costs $10 to make including employee wages for $1500 you are directly propagating class inequality. It’s just a wealth transfer from one rich person to another. \n\nIf this is some artisanal hoodie made by an independent tailor or workers cooperative, then sure, whatever, but 99% of this bullshit is made by overworked, underpaid Bangladeshi children. ",
"Girl on the left is an adorable doof. ",
"Awesome picture, how’d they get the owl to do that?",
"I’d buy it.",
"What the heck they are so beautiful, all 3 of them!",
"What's the story behind this repost?",
"\"Do you like our owl?\"",
"i'm not some wealth apologist or something. i think the wealth the 1% controls, and the even more so the wealth the .1% controls is obscene and beyond unethical. but saying that buying expensive \"directly propagat[es] class inequality\" is a little misleading, no? compared to doing what with that money? compared to giving it away, yes. but it's not like one millionaire giving another millionaire 3000usd is \"directly propagating class inequality\"",
"oh wow thx capt. obvious",
"whoever posted this credit samuel elkins for the photo. this is his photo",
"> the two girls are just modeling the brand's product\n\nOr, according to the photographer, [they aren't](https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/5zyw0l/two_girls_one_owl/df2fb22/)",
"Apparently these could also be called cloaks it seems? ",
"The real question is...what are these jackets?",
"Nice hooters",
"If anyone knows where I can get a male coat version of these patterns please inform, I've been searching everywhere. ",
"Probably didn't have to do anything except point the camera at them. Bird sees strange person/object and just goes into intimidating \"fuck you, get outta here\" mode.",
"r/FakeAlbumCovers",
"Maybe something about the pictures uniqueness? So much pictures you see every day but this is one kind of a picture that sticks. And because it gets so engrained in memory it feels like being there longer than it was.",
"Did you mean \"why\" instead of \"how\"?",
"Owl prices are soaring these days",
"Marry the owl. It is probably the hardest of the three to kill and will fuck you up bad while trying. It's probably also the least crazy and easiest to take care of for the rest of your life.\n",
"I can hear the vocal fry through the picture.",
"What’s actually in it though? I just know the title which, I presume this title is referencing - Otherwise it would say two girls and an owl.",
"> Charly Jordan\n\nMore importantly... the bird's name is Bubo.\n",
"\"this\" particular image or all of reddit?\n\nDoesn't matter... yes.\n",
"How does a wealth transfer from one wealthy person to another propagate class inequality? It sounds neutral to me - neither good nor bad.",
"Watch you don't cut yourself with all that edge.",
"Are you saying boo or are you saying boo-urns?",
"Ah thanks ",
"Some great indie album cover",
"This is the whitest white girl pic I’ve ever seen. ",
"Playing the guitar badly, wearing beads, talking about 'one love' and pretending you are friends with Central American villagers - who, by the way, despise you - before heading back to your parents five-bedroomed house in Surrey, doesn't make you a spiritual person, it makes you a bell-end.",
"Asking the real questions....whete do I but one of those sweaters?",
"How is this so very specific yet startlingly accurate",
"cup* ",
"Not as good as 2 girls, 1 cup. But I'll take it. ",
"Those jumpers are dope! Anyone know what brand the one on the right is?",
"girls, stop painting on your eyebrows with a trowel",
"Anyone know where this picture was taken? Looks like Iceland or maybe Scotland ",
"# 15 repost, 15 other copy cats who can't even come up with a new title\n\nhttps://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/5zyw0l/two_girls_one_owl/\n\nhttps://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/7s52yn/two_girls_one_owl/\n\nhttps://www.reddit.com/r/whitebeauty/comments/601lxa/two_girls_one_owl/\n\nhttps://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/75i85v/two_girls_one_owl/\n\n\nhttps://i.reddit.com/r/Amoledbackgrounds/comments/5ygypp/amoledify_image_requests_thread/\n\nhttps://www.reddit.com/r/photoshopbattles/comments/600fb1/psbattle_2_girls_1_owl/\n\nhttps://www.reddit.com/r/Superbowl/comments/6008pb/over_from_pics/\n\nhttps://www.reddit.com/r/instagrambullshit/comments/7s6o76/two_girls_one_owl/\n\nhttps://www.reddit.com/r/HOTandTRENDING/comments/7s5ttn/two_girls_one_owl/\n\nhttps://www.reddit.com/r/HOTandTRENDING/comments/5zztt2/two_girls_one_owl/",
"Apparently it's like $1500",
"you're talon me",
"Hahahah holy shit how out of touch are you ",
"And I desperately need those vaginas.",
"> Nope! I took it early last year and posted on my instagram first (@zachallia)\n\nHey, thanks for answering, even if it makes me question my sanity.",
"Hoo",
"This has got to be it. I guess it made that much of an impression that it seems like an older memory than it is. Weird because I was certain it was at least 2-3 years ago!",
"How fucking big can a hood get before you turn into a monk?",
"/r/contemptibleowl",
"Hootie & the blowfish",
"Because it incentivizes labor exploitation. ",
"[inside you say](https://m.imgur.com/r/funny/uk7ak0t) ",
"those ponchos are like $2000 each, hedge fund thief-daughter cunts",
"This is some /r/justneckbeardthings material right here. Holy fucking shit you're disconnected, dude. ",
"Most companies aren't. ",
"2 girls 1 cup ... look it up",
"These women don't look like crack whores, so definitely not the olsen twins. ",
"Thank you for your considerate reply, and the statistical link. It's hard to interpret an absence of corroboration, as nothing in the paper you've linked addresses class or wealth factors. It would be be surprising to see a paper that surveys only the very wealthiest students in the most expensive colleges in America. They don't tend to need the $50 stipend. How would you induce them to participate?\n\nThe 1% collected 82% of all wealth created in 2017. That's according to a new report from Oxfam International, which estimates that the bottom 50% of the world's population saw no increase in wealth. CNN posted about it this morning. \n\nYou think you're in any position to interrogate them about their lives? Is anyone?",
"Where can I get a hoodie like the one on the right",
"No wonder they look like Voldemort, must be exhausted moving so fast all the time.\n",
"Not sure these two are hot enough..",
"New hipster advertising?",
"Ah, who gives a hoot",
"Them buying a $1400 shirt may be the equivalent of you buying on for $40. ",
"1) made by hand not just in America, but in NYC where living costs are $$$$\n\n2) low sales volume means that the costs of production have to be spread out over a small number of sales, raising price\n\n3) expensive materials\n\n4) fashion ",
"Super bones",
"Quit fucking up the timeline, Barry!",
"Those sweatshirt are cool as hell where do I get one?",
"DONT DO IT!!! Lol",
"\"We're real natives\" ",
"They look like models, not natives.",
"Charlyjordan on Instagram ",
"Noticed the exact same thing. Girl on the right is a stunner too.",
"Tentree? ",
"That makes absolutely zero sense. They take pride.... in appearance... do you not see what that means? It means they are superficial, so of course they will do whatever is popular because they think it will make them look better. But they look ridiculous like 2 worms made a home on their face. Same goes for those ear lobe stretchers and lots of other stupid shit. ",
"No it is because they are vain. ",
"This was the same top comment last time this was posted ¯\\_(ツ)_/¯ ",
"It's not fair if you've smashed his head in with a frying pan beforehand.",
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"Cool yolo big eyebrow Bro ",
"instagram. pretty chick @charlyjordan10",
"I’d fuck that owl",
"I showed this to my 2 and a half year old. His response was \" GAAHHHHH HAHA\".",
"So they do it because they like how it makes them look. They like it. They don't care if Random Internet Dude #1447 likes it. \n\nYou are unimportant to the vast majority of other people. Your opinions are unimportant to the vast majority of other people. Being surprised when people have different opinions to you is fucking stupid. Saying that people don't really like things because you don't like them is fucking idiotic. \n\nSpend less time agonising over what other people like and what other people do, and more time thinking about whether this obviously sad, frustrated, confused man is the person you actually want to be. ",
"This has absolutely nothing to do with unibrows. ",
"> So they do it because they like how it makes them look. They like it.\n\nCitation needed. \n\n> They don't care if Random Internet Dude #1447 likes it. \n\nOf course they do. \n\n> You are unimportant to the vast majority of other people. Your opinions are unimportant to the vast majority of other people. Being surprised when people have different opinions to you is fucking stupid. \n\nI'm not surprised by anything. ",
"Wow I love seeing this picture every week, I really really give a shit. ",
"If they're truly handmade from heritage fabric, that's not a ridiculous price. It's extremely expensive, but it's not like you're buying a $2 Gucci t-shirt for $500. ",
"For the next Owl City record.",
"ok cool",
"We got her!",
"The protest sign pictures were more interesting than this. ",
"Yeah but this time *I* get the karma",
"Why....why must you put the dollar sign after the number...",
"And the time before that.",
"$1400 -- please....just put the dollar sign in front of the number. Thank you.",
"Wow they look like every girl in Utah, and I don’t even live in Utah",
"because the relative position of a currency symbol to the amount specified is something I really don't give a shit about?",
"*yawn* More attention getters. See these kind of women all over the place pretending to matter or be important. Pro Tip: They aren't.",
"Yep, and left I wouldn’t mind either but you know she has got a dirty cooch. Those eyes....",
"Crazy hover hands!",
"Plot twist, at least one is from Utah.",
"I came looking for this comment.",
"B'owl! (Tim and Eric, Bob Odenkirk)",
"the most hipster thing I've ever seen",
"I'd heard that the [Cheerleader effect](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheerleader_effect) makes women look more attractive in groups, but the Owl effect doesn't even have a Wikipedia page. What the fuck, science.",
"I don’t know shit about chakras, but staying in a nice place does tend to make things more enjoyable",
"Your first statement, while I see why you inferred it from history, seems like it could just be pure conjecture. I'd be happy to be proven wrong, but I feel like the further back you go, the more rape would have increased exponentially across the board. I could be misinterpreting though, it just seems like you are saying that the rich definitively raped more than the poor in the past. Which as I'll explain, is so hard to prove.\n\nA wealthy lord wouldn't be raping women because shit, they'd much rather live in a nice home and be well cared for than pumping out babies in a shack with an almost certain early death. That is my speculation.\n\nToday, rape is increasingly common(or more likely, reported) because of female empowerment and equality movements. There's a lot less shame or guilt, and a much higher likelihood it will be taken seriously. As far as I know, rape is going down statistically, despite more high-profile cases.\n\nAnd I think sex is a reward for achieving money & power because as much as times change, they are still the same. Young women are still taught by many parents that if they just look good, a wealthy man will take care of them (or more subtlety, everything will be okay because people will help them). I personally know a handful of personal friends or friends of friends who have done porn or in some way sold flesh for cash.\n\nAll just my opinion.",
"Wait until you see Burberry prices.",
"I'm going to eat like a king!",
"I'm only giving to you because you are my princess and I love you. I don't want to see or hear about you smoking this outside of the house. You hear me?\n\nYes, daddy. ",
"Wrong daddy?",
"Lmao come on. You might as well wage a war against consumerism itself with that mentality. \n\nAnd the luxury items of this nature are not made by sweat shop children. There's a reason a single piece of clothing can cost over a grand, and that is due heavily in part to the intensive and expert craftsmanship that goes into it. You want to stop labor exploitation, you need to go after the cheap fast fashion clothing that are actually mass produced by a destitute third world labor force.\n\n ",
"Nice eye brows",
"I think they live in Utah. The one on the left does commerical modelling and is a whitewater rafting /climbing guide in the summers.",
"Awww I want one.",
"Daddio?",
"Nothing beats rich people vacation photos.... \n\nRegular folks would have two girls in Walmart gear and a pigeon shitting on their shoes... \n\nIs like bitch ass missio \"tired of seeing pretty people everywhere\" and proceeds to fill the video with models.... \n\nSeriously... fuck fancy people photos. And yes sitting at work seeing fuckers who well never work a day in their lives playing nature goddess pisses me the fuck off ",
"I apologise if you found my response blunt, although in all seriousness, your position reads like a rather dull conspiracy theory. There is simply no evidence to suggest that what you propose is in fact the case, indeed you seem to appreciate that fact yourself - you've provided no supporting statistics. The articles I linked do not mention the relevancy of wealth in particular because, all things considered, wealth does not appear to be a particularly relevant consideration; \"The most pronounced similarities [in relation to rapists] have little to do with the traditional demographic categories, like race, class and marital status.\" The second article suggests that the only veritable category capable of being attached to the majority of date rapists is that of being a white male. There are plenty of things to criticise the grossly wealthy elite for, but date rape doesn't really seem to be one of those things, however much you'd like it to be. I suggest you buy yourself some new socks, and find a more fruitful platform from which to berate the wealthy. ",
"I read it as Super Bowl. It was superb owl.",
"Just got back from Peru, this is not true. Not enough nasty ass dreads and nose rings.",
"According to your link they are. The product manufacturers are friends with the photographer. Pro-bono promotion.",
"Man you sound salty. The girls don't own the ponchos.",
"Lol",
"I’m guessing your resume is a mess.",
"Reminds me of the wool models in Iceland",
"Came for this comment. Was not disappointed.",
"CRAP! You are correct.",
"yea, I linked the wrong one :/\n\nfixed now",
"because i try to make everything read from left to right on my feed, just for consistency!",
"I feel bad... years ago I might have thought this was cool but now it seems kind of cheesy...",
"ive heard she's a hoot!",
"have you ever met NYC trust fund kids in general they are pricks, fun to do cocaine with though, but still the point stands.",
"White women are the most beautiful women hands down. /r/whitebeauty",
"Aren’t these the girls that are on front-page for making a band as kids?? ",
"1 sweet owl. 2 sweet hoodies. 2 white heritage ",
"Oh a MY GOD.",
"There's gotta be more. Surely they're not owl alone. ",
"You probably aren't wrong but for different reasons",
"Internet time is really dense these days. I was going to joke that these girls are probably 40 now. ~10 months?!? I blame the Trump presidency.",
"You clicked the YouTube video frankly because you thought the girls on the thumbnail were cute and then suffered through something a 14 year old boy whipped up in his bedroom. Sure, he seems to have mastered the copy of Ableton Live his mom bought him pretty well, but for some reason he decided to do the vocals himself, and since he can't carry a tune he just harmonized the hell out of it and changes the pitch up and down a lot. You yank the slider forward a bit and the next song seems pretty decent until his robot voice comes back in repeating the same phrase over and over again. \"Gotta grab that ring! Grab that ring! Grab that ring!\" You jump forward one more time, \"Mr. DJ play that song. Mr. DJ play that song!\"\n\nfuck",
"Rargh! I resent pretty women!",
"Superb owl, awesome picture!",
"This coats look so great that I become sexually stimulated. Am I gay?",
"Man these are the photos I wish I could take. :*( \n",
"It's true and I'm not scared to say it. White women are the most beautiful no other race is as beautiful as white women are. What's so hard to accept?",
"why does this look like promo for a Kewella song? :Thinking:",
"You won't look like they do in it",
"uhhhh... ok?",
"Repost. ",
"Just saying these ponchos are really fucking stupid looking and the only reason anyone is interested is because hot girls look hot in them ",
"Karma court violation. Hey everybody!!! This guy's a great big phony!!!! ",
"I see we're finally going to see Skeksis babies in the upcoming Dark Crystal series.",
"I never knew owls had such wide wings",
"How’d they even get that shot? + when you get a chance check out www.soundcloud.com/itsalilcold/gems and let me know if you f with it! Thank you LESGELIT!",
"Wpuld someone be so noce an give me insight on how to get a jacket line these or a link where i could order one ",
"My day is ruined.",
"My condolences."
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"Sorta want some context, hoping for a cool story",
"I wish there was a third set of twins in the second photo.",
"Im so confused",
"Top left twin looks a bit like Ricky from Trailer Park Boys but with dark hair...if he had a cigarette behind his ear it'd really complete the look."
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Twins holding twins in 1987 vs. the same twins holding the same twins in 2017.
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"Why is this not everywhere? ",
"I like how the 3 people at the bottom are lined up like bowling pins.",
"TU Munich faculty for Mathematics on the campus in Garching fyi",
"I can see the guy's from jackass doing something like this here.",
"One’s up, one’s down?",
"Toss your buddy's keys down it",
"For a second, I thought it was a really fun looking prison.",
"It can only be in one place at one time, that's why.",
"Is this people-sized? Can you actually use it? ",
"Yes, you can! Here is more information about it (German): https://www.ma.tum.de/Mathematik/Parabelrutsche ",
"My name is Johnny Knoxville and this is Human Bowling Sliding!",
"This looks like the third level from the original Tony hawks pro skater",
"That who German students use it:\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkIGO3Kawa0",
"If I was a billionaire, I would build a secret, expansive, hidden level underneath the first level of this building. It would be a huge complex, made to look like a medieval-era jousting tournament, and populated with paid actors, complete with King Henry VIII. Then one day, one of the chutes is subtly re-routed to dump an unsuspecting thrillseeker right into the middle of the complex, popping out, perhaps, from a large oak tree right in front of the tournament in progress. The exit on the oak tree closes behind him, leaving the bewildered prank victim to believe he's just travelled back in time 500 years.\n\nA dinosaur-themed prank world might be fun, too.",
"Maybe they could use your ideas for the seconds season of Westworld. ",
"Might actually be, don't remember where but I read that in Switzerland (? Don't remember the country) they have such low n of prisoners that they are repurposing their jails",
"Physics fucks me out of fun, *again*!",
"Nobody's going to use this out of fear of being called childish. Please move it to my office.",
"Ok who is the jerk who dumped a large soda down the slide?",
"10Q",
"It's in the mechanical engeneering building at the technical university munich.",
"Germany. TU munich",
"Math and computer science. Mechanical Engineering is in a different building on that campus.",
"I want to see what happens if you drop a bowling ball down one of those slides.",
"This is a Halo map.",
"My fault. You are right.",
"https://youtu.be/4CoxO8zNiD4\n\nclose enough :P",
"Imagine Friday at 5 o’clock ",
"Oh god, image the static electricity buildup. Especially during winter.",
"Only in America.",
" Thought I was looking at a prison. 😂 I was like “slides in prison?! Great idea!”’",
"it's in Germany, though\n",
"yes\n"
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Wheeeeeeeeeee
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"this was proved to be fake the last time it was posted.",
"it's obviously a 16ft man in a suit",
"I live in the Northern Territory and have seen this croc many times. Legit, his name is Brutus the three legged croc. Edit - his name is Brutus, not Bruce",
"Or 3 small men in a suit.",
"thank you for what seems to be some facts. \nthe last time it was posted there were many people who were telling me it was fake. i suppose given the internet what is has become the only way way i will ever believe it is to see it for myself. (no, really, i'm taking your word as gospel on this one. :)",
"Well I am no preacher, but if you throw into Google, \"Brutus the three legged croc\" he'll be there. He lives in the Adelaide River and is often seen on the Croc cruises that go up and down the river. Is an absolute weapon of an animal. ",
"thanks. i gotta start doing more research before jumping on bandwagons. :(",
"But bandwagons are where the interesting conversations start?! ",
"Are we assuming its gender?",
"the ERRONIOUS conversations. :)",
"Does no one notice the missing arm?"
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80 year old 16 ft croc showing off looking for free food
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"*yawn* \n\nThese photos of protestors and their tired signs are getting old",
"It doesn’t appear to be about women. It appears to be about dissing trump.",
"Trump has as much warmth as this woman has class. Good lord, doesn't she realize that I look at her stupid expression, combined with the sign, and think that she's just as much of an idiot as Trump? ",
"I hate Trump as much as the next guy but doesn't she look like a potoo bird?"
] | 4 |
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Depth and Warmth
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/r/pics/comments/7s55xg/yeah_i_think_youre_going_to_have_a_hard_time/
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[
"“I’ll take one Office Perv mug please.” said the office clown. ",
"\"I'll bet the office bimbo can take more than one\", said the office perv.",
"Can you imagine if you opened your secret Santa and it’s one of these mugs!!?? "
] | 3 |
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Yeah... I think you’re going to have a hard time moving these!!
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/r/pics/comments/7s56p5/rate_my_doggo_be_kind/
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[
"9/10 doggos. She has beautiful fur!!",
"He's beautiful. ",
"I'm not the type of guy for little dogs, but the face looks like they have a scare on the left side. looks kinda like a bad ass",
"That fur reminds me of something. Something from the past. Good feelings associate themselves with it, and a touch of sorrow. Possibly an ewok, or a bear that memory finds to heavy to lift this morning. ",
"/u/JRB0095, thank you for your submission. Unfortunately, it has been removed for violating the following rule(s):\n\n* Rule IV - Title violates title guidelines.\n\nYour title must not ask for general information or feedback. \n\nYou can read the full information about our title guidelines at /r/pics/w/titles\n\n\n\n\nFor information regarding this and similar issues please see the [rules](https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/about/rules/) and [title guidelines](/r/pics/w/titles). If you have any questions, please feel free to [message the moderators.](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose?to=/r/pics&subject=Question regarding the removal of this submission by /u/JRB0095&message=I have a question regarding the removal of this [submission.](https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/7s56p5/rate_my_doggo_be_kind/?context=10\\))"
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Rate my doggo ( be kind )
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http://i.imgur.com/mPAdP7G.jpg
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/r/pics/comments/7s570c/awesome_island_with_a_quaint_airport/
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[
"Almost looks as if its floating.",
"Saveed you guys the google search. It's in Aruba \n\nhttps://imgur.com/a/93JDD\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juancho_E._Yrausquin_Airport\n\nhttp://www.sabatourism.com/sabasairport.html",
"Thank you. lol username doesn't check out",
"That runway doesn't leave much room for error, I feel...",
"[Kinda tight](http://iruntheinternet.com/lulzdump/images/gifs/moped-crashes-bus-hole-crazy-1372895900U.gif?id=)",
"I want a house on one of those peaks, looks so majestic!",
"Lazy Looser? What does that mean?",
"Username checks out."
] | 8 |
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Awesome island with a quaint airport
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/r/pics/comments/7s57aq/simple_effective_communication_from_my_local_pub/
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[
"Is this London?",
"Sure is!",
"So easy to chooes between rain and beer😎",
"I love these games! This is Whitechapel Road in London. The bar is called LHT Urban Bar.",
"And a doner kebab eatery right next door. That place must be packed when the pub closes.",
"r/CasualUK might like this mate ",
"The owner is a genius.",
"hope so ",
"Marketing - 5 points.",
"Love it! ",
"Ok idk why but these arrows are pissing me off😂😂",
"Whitechapel!",
"Do people really walk into bars in the middle of the day and drink beer?",
"To have a cheeky beer of course we do, well I do :|"
] | 14 |
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Simple effective communication from my local pub.
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/r/pics/comments/7s58bw/meanwhile_in_tobleronistan/
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[
"Looks shopped. A square train would be much more practical. ",
"Unless you had a small tunnel to get through, but yeah, [this site says it's a 'shop.](https://jalopnik.com/triangle-train-1786062823) ",
"Great, now I’m hungry for a toblerone.",
"Yes, it's shopped, the real image is here: https://i.redd.it/uiy0bc2od9mx.jpg",
"Looks like the driver is a guy wearing a bra.",
"Considering the undercarriage, which should be straight up and down, is as slanted as the sides, my guess is that you're right. [Also.](https://twitter.com/funimag/status/771444172909871104)"
] | 6 |
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Meanwhile in Tobleronistan.
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/r/pics/comments/7s5agb/the_one_guy_in_the_room_that_knows_this_is/
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[
"Context please?\n",
"I give up. which one is it?",
"The one in the white hat.",
"I don't think he knows. He believes his bullshit",
"Your hat looks terrific and makes you so young and hip looking!",
"Green lanyard? ",
"I can hear the sycophantic laughter THROUGH my phone.",
"Green lanyard.",
"The camera man knows its all bullshit ",
"\"No ma'am, we of the Secret Service have no sense of humor that we're aware of.\"",
"They ALL know it's bullshit. ",
"Just threw up, this is our fucking leader to nowhere",
"Criminal: \"...and if we get caught we'll just tell them I'm the coffee boy! Your supporters will believe anything!\"\n\nAll: \"ahahahahahahahahah good one, Mr. Vice President\"\n\n",
"/u/Iam_Joe, thank you for your submission. Unfortunately, it has been removed for violating the following rule(s):\n\n* Rule IV - Title violates title guidelines.\n\nYour title must directly relate to the event in the picture. \n\nYou can read the full information about our title guidelines at /r/pics/w/titles\n\n\n\n\nFor information regarding this and similar issues please see the [rules](https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/about/rules/) and [title guidelines](/r/pics/w/titles). If you have any questions, please feel free to [message the moderators.](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose?to=/r/pics&subject=Question regarding the removal of this submission by /u/Iam_Joe&message=I have a question regarding the removal of this [submission.](https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/7s5agb/the_one_guy_in_the_room_that_knows_this_is/?context=10\\))"
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The one guy in the room that knows this is bullshit
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/r/pics/comments/7s5bpy/heath_ledger_died_10_years_ago_today_heres_a/
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[
"Say what you want about other actors but no one has even come close to his Joker in my opinion. ",
"That's what the Olsen twins want you to tthink! ^^^/s",
"Ten years, wow. Hope his little girl is alright.",
"Seriously, doesn't feel like ten years. I would have guessed maybe 5. Time flies when you're not having fun! ",
"/u/unknown_human, thank you for your submission. Unfortunately, it has been removed for violating the following rule(s):\n\n* Rule IV - Title violates title guidelines.\n\nYour title must directly relate to the event in the picture. \n\nYou can read the full information about our title guidelines at /r/pics/w/titles\n\n\n\n\nFor information regarding this and similar issues please see the [rules](https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/about/rules/) and [title guidelines](/r/pics/w/titles). If you have any questions, please feel free to [message the moderators.](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose?to=/r/pics&subject=Question regarding the removal of this submission by /u/unknown_human&message=I have a question regarding the removal of this [submission.](https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/7s5bpy/heath_ledger_died_10_years_ago_today_heres_a/?context=10\\))",
"Loved that opening sequence, such an amazing piece of film making. Felt like such a grounded, slightly twisted, crime film, not just pure entertainment for entertainments sake. "
] | 6 |
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Heath Ledger died 10 years ago today, here's a picture of him on the set of The Dark Knight
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/r/pics/comments/7s5cbm/it_was_fiona_the_hippos_first_birthday_over_the/
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"Cute kid",
"Thanks! ",
"I love how the reflection of the other girl's face is right on the Hippos face"
] | 3 |
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It was Fiona the hippos first birthday over the weekend. Here she is posing with my daughter at her party.
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/r/pics/comments/7s5cl1/always_a_scary_place_to_be_even_on_a_calm_day/
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[
"That’s a pretty fancy boat!",
"Yeah no offense your feet aren’t as sexy",
"Then don't go there?",
"I would be yelling all kinds of pirate quotes if that was me.",
"not sure if you're entirely aware..... but you've got a yacht sticking out of your ass....."
] | 5 |
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Always a scary place to be, even on a calm day.
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/r/pics/comments/7s5d0e/colorized_by_me_ruby_bridges_escorted_by_us/
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[
"[More from me](http://www.marinamaral.com) \n__________\n\n\nBridges was one of six black children in New Orleans to pass the test that determined whether they could go to the school. Two of the six decided to stay at their old school, Bridges went to a school by herself, and three children were transferred to McDonogh No. 19 and became known as the McDonogh Three. Bridges and her mother were escorted to school by four federal marshals during the first year Bridges attended William Frantz Elementary. Ruby's father was initially reluctant, but her mother felt strongly that the move was needed not only to give her own daughter a better education but to \"take this step forward ... for all African-American children\". As Bridges describes it, \"Driving up I could see the crowd, but living in New Orleans, I actually thought it was Mardi Gras. There was a large crowd of people outside of the school. They were throwing things and shouting, and that sort of goes on in New Orleans at Mardi Gras.\" Former United States Deputy Marshal Charles Burks later recalled, \"She showed a lot of courage. She never cried. She didn't whimper. She just marched along like a little soldier, and we're all very very proud of her.\"\n\nAs soon as Bridges entered the school, white parents pulled their own children out; all the teachers refused to teach while a black child was enrolled. Only one person agreed to teach Ruby and that was Barbara Henry, from Boston, Massachusetts, and for over a year Henry taught her alone, \"as if she were teaching a whole class.\"\n\nThat first day, Bridges and her adult companions spent the entire day in the principal's office; the chaos of the school prevented their moving to the classroom until the second day. On the second day, however, a white student broke the boycott and entered the school when a 34-year-old Methodist minister, Lloyd Anderson Foreman, walked his 5-year-old daughter Pam through the angry mob, saying, \"I simply want the privilege of taking my child to school ...\" A few days later, other white parents began bringing their children, and the protests began to subside. Every morning, as Bridges walked to school, one woman would threaten to poison her; because of this, the U.S. Marshals dispatched by President Eisenhower, who were overseeing her safety, allowed Ruby to eat only the food that she brought from home.\n\nChild psychiatrist Robert Coles volunteered to provide counseling to Bridges during her first year at Frantz. He met with her weekly in the Bridges home, later writing a children's book, The Story of Ruby Bridges, to acquaint other children with Bridges' story.\n\nThe Bridges family suffered for their decision to send her to William Frantz Elementary: her father lost his job, the grocery store the family shopped at would no longer let them shop there, and her grandparents, who were sharecroppers in Mississippi, were turned off their land. She has noted that many others in the community, both black and white, showed support in a variety of ways. Some white families continued to send their children to Frantz despite the protests, a neighbor provided her father with a new job, and local people babysat, watched the house as protectors, and walked behind the federal marshals' car on the trips to school.\n\nBridges, now Ruby Bridges Hall, still lives in New Orleans with her husband, Malcolm Hall, and their four sons. After graduating from a desegregated high school, she worked as a travel agent for 15 years and later became a full-time parent. She is now chair of the Ruby Bridges Foundation, which she formed in 1999 to promote \"the values of tolerance, respect, and appreciation of all differences\". Describing the mission of the group, she says, \"racism is a grown-up disease and we must stop using our children to spread it.\"\n\nIn 2014, a statue of Bridges was unveiled in the courtyard of William Frantz Elementary School.",
"OMG it’s just like today!",
"Just like today. What are you talking about? People are more welcoming of minorities than ever before. What school do you go to? ",
"Evergreen State!",
"Ya... not even close to the same.",
"I'm just awed by the innocence she projects and knowing all the unfounded hate that she would encounter. ",
"POC are systemically oppressed every single day. That’s worse!",
"How so?",
" How so?",
"If you have to ask, you’re part of the problem! NEXT!",
"If you won't help to educate and promote communication you are also part of the problem.",
"Some people can’t be reached. ",
"True, are you referring to yourself?",
"Some day we will live in a world where colorization isn't necessary.",
"I know you are but what am I ",
"Doesn't matter to me, I don't see color.",
"Phew, thought you were trolling, you have to be a parody account...\n\nThat comment history is out of this world stupid. \n",
"Relevant, funny, you have earned an upvote.",
"The username just gives it away.",
"Uranus",
"Yes, effectively just by the fact of her being there she desegregated the school. What's so hard to understand?",
"In a parallel world Oprah wanted to run for the Presidency from the get go."
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(Colorized by me) Ruby Bridges escorted by U.S. Marshals to attend an all-white school, 1960. She was the first African-American child to desegregate the all-white William Frantz Elementary School in Louisiana during the New Orleans school desegregation crisis.
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[
"Geez, why so serious?",
"10 years! Well I'm sure as fuck not going to look for him now.",
"/u/Tucko29, thank you for your submission. Unfortunately, it has been removed for violating the following rule(s):\n\n* Rule IV - Title violates title guidelines.\n\nYour title must directly relate to the event in the picture. \n\nYou can read the full information about our title guidelines at /r/pics/w/titles\n\n\n\n\nFor information regarding this and similar issues please see the [rules](https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/about/rules/) and [title guidelines](/r/pics/w/titles). If you have any questions, please feel free to [message the moderators.](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose?to=/r/pics&subject=Question regarding the removal of this submission by /u/Tucko29&message=I have a question regarding the removal of this [submission.](https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/7s5e4d/we_lost_heath_ledger_10_years_ago_today/?context=10\\))"
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We Lost Heath Ledger 10 Years Ago Today
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/r/pics/comments/7s5h86/the_guys_were_bored_at_work_today/
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[
"Thought he was shoveling small amounts of snow then realized he's snorting a massive line of blow.",
"Gotta get amped up for work somehow!",
"~old man chuckle~ now go find literally any plant, roll it in some paper and pretend it's a giant marijuana cigarette!"
] | 3 |
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The guys were bored at work today.
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/r/pics/comments/7s5omq/you_that_read_wrong/
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[
"I didn't actually read any of that wrong because I've seen this too often.",
"Postre",
"There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again.",
"You're doin a heckuva job, Brownie.",
"The tittle actually clued me in so I read it right."
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You that read wrong
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/r/pics/comments/7s5qiz/are_we_doing_pictures_of_stuck_kids_now_in_2013_i/
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[
"You shouldn't be too proud of yourself.",
"Wasn't your child well versed in the tales of Hansel and Gretel??",
"He was probably just hiding from the Velociraptors."
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Are we doing pictures of stuck kids now? In 2013, I took this picture of my son instead of helping him.
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/r/pics/comments/7s5r0b/lol/
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[
"i really like this one",
"Man, he used to be so chill.",
"xD",
"10/10 would drink. "
] | 4 |
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Lol..
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/r/pics/comments/7s5r6j/tokyo_under_snow/
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[
"Damn this looks like Persona 5. ",
"7/11 in Asia is the bomb",
"Most people don't know this but 7/11's parent company is Japanese.",
"What’s the company called. ",
"[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_%26_I_Holdings_Co.?wprov=sfla1](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_%26_I_Holdings_Co.?wprov=sfla1)",
"Koenji?"
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Tokyo under snow
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/r/pics/comments/7s5sqg/burns_evil_spawn/
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[
"Excellent!",
".... No",
"*yawn* ",
"Mr. Burns is actually likable though.",
"It's weird that he's younger than I am and is responsible for the government shut down.",
"I don't think that's something one dude should say to another dude.",
"Can we add some liver spots to his head?",
"Nope. He literally looks like a young Joseph Goebbels. \n\nhttp://imgur.com/VNogg.jpg",
"Under his breath, he calls Trump Smithers.",
"I wonder if he realizes how many immigrants helped design that iPhone.",
"Not where you're from, maybe, 'effendi'. ",
"He resembles a young piece of shit even more. Sorry I don't have a pic. ",
"Yeah a bit of a stretch there ",
"Smithers! release the hounds...",
"Any pic would have done, here's one which might turn into a full grown shit some day:\n\n[it's SFW](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/47/Hamburger_%28black_bg%29.jpg/1200px-Hamburger_%28black_bg%29.jpg)",
"[i still can't believe no one has compared him to Buster](https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/arresteddevelopment/images/4/42/Season_4_Poster_-_Buster_Bluth_01.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/300?cb=20130521213532)",
"The reseblence isn't limted to just looks..\n",
"r/pics ? 😅",
"Hrm... fleshy mustache... that's weird.",
"Isn’t it one guy that designs the products and I’m sure he’s not an immigrant ",
"Posts like this one are why pics has gone down the toilet.",
"Apple R&D employs tens of thousands of people in the US. Many of them are immigrants and many are foreigners on work visas like H1B.",
"I guess I was thinking about the visual design. For sure the dev work is being done by the best and brightest they can attract from around the world"
] | 23 |
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Burns' Evil Spawn
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/r/pics/comments/7s5u88/one_of_the_very_cool_looking_marina_towers_in/
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[
"I didn’t even know the actual name of the Corncob Towers. Nice shot, love the false color. 👍🏻",
"Thank you! I shoot black and white a lot but I’ve seen it in black and white a million times so I wanted to try something different",
"It’s really pretty and now I wish it was actually that color. 👍🏻",
"FWIW there’s a housing project on the south side by the same architect, a smaller version. "
] | 4 |
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One of the very cool looking Marina Towers in Chicago [OC]
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/r/pics/comments/7s5wgz/me_who_usually_never_leaves_the_house_on_top_of_a/
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[
"you look like a Horizon: Zero Dawn ad poster. [like this](http://www.gamechannel.hu/pictures/hirblock/jon-a-horizon-zero-dawn--complete-edition_1.jpg) ",
"Can we climb this mountain? ",
"Aloy! r/horizon ",
"much better than a wallpaper right?",
"Motivational as fuck. ",
"Seriously looks like Aloy!",
"You've taken your first steps into a larger world.",
"Filters much?",
"did you find a stranger there?"
] | 9 |
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me (who usually never leaves the house) on top of a mountain in the alps
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/r/pics/comments/7s5yka/authentic_mexican_food_that_trump_would_build_a/
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[
"It looks like this post is about US Politics. Various methods of filtering out content relating to US Politics can be found [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/wiki/v2/resources/filter/politics).\n\n*I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/pics) if you have any questions or concerns.*",
"Funny!",
"Authentic Mexican Food that Trump would build a wall around ~~of~~",
"Now that's how you chase away half your customers"
] | 4 |
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Authentic Mexican Food that Trump would build a wall around of
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/r/pics/comments/7s5zc6/the_first_time_the_sun_touched_the_united_states/
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[
"That's a beautiful shot of the Virgin Islands.",
"This is actually Cadillac Mountain, Maine. It’s the highest point that far east, so every day, it’s the point the sun touches first in the US",
"Ah, yes, continental US. Awesome."
] | 3 |
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The first time the sun touched the United States on 07/07/17
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/r/pics/comments/7s635r/tokyo_japan/
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[
"I miss Family mart's being absolutely everywhere :( ",
"*Cause you know, in japan - Its all about the* **r^e s^p^e k^^t**",
"Family Mart is the realest shit, you don't know if you haven't been.",
"#TeamLawsons :)\n\nEdit: how do i do a hashtag!? it made my text big and bold!",
"Natural Lawson is pretty damn good too, I’ll give you that."
] | 5 |
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Tokyo Japan
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/r/pics/comments/7s63r4/i_quit_my_job_last_year_to_discover_the_great/
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[
"r/EarthPorn",
"To be fair, if you'd have know about that in advance. You could have kept your job, and just gone up for a weekend. ",
"What have I done!",
"Sounds like a good trade.",
"You don't have to quit your job to go outside.",
"It helps if you want to go outside for 9 months.",
"Grand Canyon? Where exactly was this taken? Going there in May for vacay",
"Dead Horse Point State Park, Moab, UT. You will have an amazing time at the Grand Canyon. Feel free to PM me if you need suggestions!",
"Did the Mighty 5 last year and it was an incredible trip!",
"Did you save money before quitting? Do you do something for money while on the road?",
"Step 1, be wealthy. ",
"I'm not going to lie. I work in a lucrative field, but I am by no means wealthy. I am still paying off my student debt like most people my age. I saved aggressively until I had enough money in my budget for a year's worth of joblessness plus additional expenses (gear and whatnot). If I can do it, so can you!\n\nedit: I should not have said, \"by no means wealthy.\" I had more than most people do in this country, and I am grateful for what I have been able to accomplish, but I wasn't born with a silver spoon in my mouth either. I guess I just wanted to point out that I'm not a trust fund baby or anything, and I certainly didn't mean to sound like a pompous dick. I saved approximately 20% of every paycheck until I had enough. ",
"Thanks for the questions and comments, everyone! If enough people are interested, I'd be more than happy to do an AMA on my adventure. ",
"Beauty",
"> I work in a lucrative field \n \nand \n \n> If I can do it, so can you! \n \nDon't go together. You're probably gonna just get a job after you are done adventuring. It's not that easy for everyone to leave a job, and return to it, or anything else. Unemployment isn't an option for vacation time for regular people.",
"@Pazuzuuuuu pls tell me you have a blog. We need to see a lot more pics.",
"you can see the smog from LA on the horizon.",
"Probably what everyone is asking... how do you afford it?",
"This.\nI did a similar thing at the start of 2016 expecting to be able to change industries into the one I went to uni for.\n6 months of joblessness after and I’m back at the same boring ass dead end job I was in before I took a break.",
"Using @ won't work on Reddit. Try /u/Pazuzuuuuu",
"/u/Toastiesyay thanks.",
"You're right. I didn't mean to sound ignorant or insensitive to other people's financial status. I am fortunate to be working in a field that pays well. I understand that there are others who think they could simply never do this, and in some cases, it's a fact. In addition, there are a million GOOD reasons not to do what I did. That being said, I met lots of people from every income level who were doing something similar to me.\nI guess what I meant to say is, if you have a long term goal to embrace the adventurer in you, maybe it's not as impossible as you think. ",
"How do you go about doing this? I'm seriously thinking about taking some extended time off work this summer and road trip the west",
"I do! That being said, I don't want to fall on the wrong side of Reddiquette. I've been on reddit for a while, now, but I'll admit that I've been lurking pretty hard (please don't hurt me!). I've read the rules, but I'm still slightly unsure if giving out my website would be considered TOO self-promotional by reddit's standards. I took over 150,000 photos while I was traveling, and I want to share them with all of you!\n",
"Where is this?",
"Dead Horse Point State Park, Moab, Utah",
"I tried that too but everywhere I went there were people. Nothing could quite compare to the solitude of my cubicle.",
"What kind of job did you have to enable you to be able quit and afford to live for 9 months?",
"Can't speak for OP, but I did something similar (9 months at National and State parks in the US in 2016) and I think my total expenditures were between $12000 and $14000 over the course of the trip (can get a more concrete # if people care). For me, that's actually less than what I spent the previous year when I was living/working by a few thousand dollars.\n\nI'd saved up several years of living expenses (and acknowledge I've been fortunate to do so), but I think with strict budgeting and a few years to plan, it could be within reach more people than you'd think.",
"Beats the hell out of Kansas, doesn't it?",
"How. Do. You. Pay. For a trip like this. How much did you save?",
"My Dad died last year in the spring and I went on short term disability for depression. I ended up going on a 3 week road trip to California, following Route 66 the whole way. It was amazing. I lived on my disability check the whole time, and slept in my car a lot instead of getting a room. ",
"Yeah, it’s like already been discovered you know. ",
"150,000 pictures is crazy. In nine months, working 24 hours a day that's 1 picture every 2.6 seconds if I did that right. That's basically a 9 month time lapse video. Sorta stop motion animation ",
"I didn't say they were all GOOD pictures...",
"So what happened after the year of joblessness? Was a job waiting for you somewhere?",
"I'm now almost 10 months into that joblessness. I'm settling down and starting to hit the job search hard. I'm kind of terrified, but I'm confident that I will land on my feet somehow. Sometimes, you just gotta jump without being able to see the ground. ",
"I completely agree. Life is short and unpredictable, gotta soak up every bit you can. I've had several random phases and \"reboots\" myself. Better to have some power over which way things go, than just go along with circumstances.\n\nIt's awesome that you got to see so much of this beautiful country. I spent a lot of time taking similar journeys, and I think it's a great thing for building perspective. Best of luck with whatever comes next!",
"Dead Horse Point is awesome.\n\nWas out there at night at it was so quiet all I could hear was my own tintinnitus.\n\nIt was a glorious experience.",
"you should share with us. Or atleast PM the link. ",
"Sorry, u/drugsarebadmky , I thought I did PM you a link, but here it goes anyway:\n\nwww.somewhereoutdoors.com\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiGYCCwO_dE&t=7s\n\nIG: somewhere_outdoors\n\nFacebook.com/somewhereoutdoors\n\nI hope you enjoy and stay tuned"
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I quit my job last year to discover the great American outdoors. After 9 months of being on the road, this is one of my favorite shots.
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[
"Uncool because you posted it, Gallowboob. ",
"Looks pretty hot to me",
"I'm going to pretend I didn't upvote this for the obvious reason.",
"yeah cool ass."
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Cool Venom costume
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/r/pics/comments/7s67jv/croatian_president_kolinda_grabarkitarović/
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[
"It looks like this post is about US Politics. Various methods of filtering out content relating to US Politics can be found [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/wiki/v2/resources/filter/politics).\n\n*I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/pics) if you have any questions or concerns.*",
"How tho",
"Mnnn.....why can't we elect people like this. NO We get Trump.",
"*\"Hello, Delta? Yes, 1 one-way ticket to Croatia please. Yes, that's correct. I have a date with disappointment\"*",
"That is Coco Austin, Ice-T's wife.",
"Bad Bot",
"That isn't her it's some adult film star",
"Who? Asking for a friend",
"Incoming Trump tweet declaring his next overseas visit.",
"I'm so sad this is a lie.\n\nhttp://people.com/bodies/croatian-president-confused-for-coco-austin-in-old-bikini-photos/",
"Dang... but damn, the fact that she was mistaken for her is a good sign. ",
"[Bad GallowBoob](http://people.com/bodies/croatian-president-confused-for-coco-austin-in-old-bikini-photos/)",
"She looks damn good compared to... Someone.... That's for sure.\n\nhttps://www.total-croatia-news.com/media/k2/items/cache/e0cecf80faab53492633f5c5aba57737_XL.jpg",
"We've had Michelle and Melania hanging around tho. And Ivanka too. But before all that it was slim pickings.",
"/u/gallowboob. Delete this you karma slut",
"I would say she's the most attractive politician I've run across in a bit. "
] | 17 |
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Croatian President Kolinda Grabar-Kitarović enjoying a sunny day at the beach
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/r/pics/comments/7s683i/pretty_cool_venom_costume_by_kasai_cosplay/
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[
"I can see how this angle really brings out the detail in her costume.",
"Yeah, the web pattern really pops",
"“Does this make my ass look naked?”",
"That's not cool. Its Exxxxtremely hot!",
"I remember how often Venom posed like that in the comics",
"This shit belongs in r/cosplaygirls or r/butterface or something.",
"A woman in tight clothing/\"cosplay\" posted by GallowBoob himself... this'll probably make it to the front page.",
"How much do these people pay Gallowboob to post these? I’m actually curious. Anyone know?",
"u/GallowBoob is such a jackass.",
"TIL /u/GallowBoob is an ass man."
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Pretty cool Venom costume by Kasai Cosplay
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/r/pics/comments/7s68kf/a_plushie_that_i_keep_as_an_adult/
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[
"Almost every adult in the U.S. has at least one stuffed animal/plushie",
"I unintentionally had a plush with me on a road trip. Very comforting. I'm 50.",
"Does that make me an American lol? Even I'm not from the US.",
"Rofl. It's never too old to keep plushies with you for comfort :D"
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A plushie that I keep as an adult.
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/r/pics/comments/7s6bbz/monument_valley_national_park_utah_usa/
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[
"I'm done..... I think I'll go home now.",
"Actually, Monument Valley is in Arizona.",
"I think I saw a scene in a movie filmed here!",
"r/fakealbumcovers",
"It's not a National Park, it's a Navajo Tribal Park. Great shot nonetheless. ",
"It's on the border, and this photo was taken on the Utah side. ",
"I just felt like runnin'.",
"And a million truck and car commercials!",
"Why does the road veer off to the right before turning left? Why not just turn left?",
"Credit to the photographer/digital manipulater, [Don landwehrle](http://www.landwehrle.com/) (aka [DonLand](https://www.shutterstock.com/g/donlandwehrle)).\n\n[Here](https://www.shutterstock.com/image-photo/digitally-created-image-roadway-leading-monument-138147344?src=cHZIZt8-fTudR3-biLoDgg-1-52) is the source.\n\nHere are a few alternate versions that he made:\n\n[Brighter sky](https://www.shutterstock.com/image-photo/digitally-created-image-roadway-leading-monument-275233619).\n\n[Blue sky](https://www.shutterstock.com/image-photo/digitally-created-image-roadway-leading-monument-138147338).\n\n[Yellowish](https://www.shutterstock.com/image-photo/digitally-created-image-roadway-leading-monument-275233586).\n\n[Generally off color](https://www.shutterstock.com/image-photo/digitally-created-image-roadway-leading-monument-138147347).\n\n[Too blue](https://www.shutterstock.com/image-photo/digitally-created-image-roadway-leading-monument-138147338).",
"What is the fence for? is it private area? can you camp there?",
"(insert obligatory Forrest Gump saying every time this, or a similar image, is posted every week or two)",
"https://youtu.be/Bw0MBr0Y5x0",
"Yeah, I was thinking how the fuck it was possible I didn't know we had a 6th national park after living here my whole life \r",
"RIP Motorstorm q-q",
"the blood moon rises once again",
"Actually, Monument Valley is on Navajo land which lies directly on the border of Utah and Arizona.\n\n\nhttp://www.monumentvalley-tipivillage.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/MVTV-200mile-map-Web-11-30-14.jpg",
"What are we supposed to do now?",
"Veering round a massive fucking spider",
"Maybe elevation? It goes back the other way too. Not sure.",
"The fences keep cattle and other grazing animals in. This area is part of the Navajo Indian reservation, which isn't private *per se*, but you do need a Navajo Nation permit if you want to camp around here. There are also designated campgrounds a few miles down the road from here near the Monument Valley park headquarters. ",
"That is a beautiful photo "
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Monument Valley National Park - Utah, USA
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[
"Probably not a good area to low-fly a drone.",
"or to be a bird minding its own business flying back to its family after a long day of work",
"Or text and hang glide. ",
"Window strikes – estimated to kill 97 to 976 million birds/year "
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Building nearly looks invisible.
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/r/pics/comments/7s6cnv/some_real_camo/
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[
"I was looking at the trees going.... yup that's a tree fml ",
"what am i missing here",
"Look to the lower right, next to the tree trunk.",
"I'd have been dead.",
"yeah i would of been dinner",
"I was gonna be pissed if I didn't find anything after the amount of time I invested in the search hah",
"Or have a new haircut apparently. ",
"here kitty kitty kitty\n",
"Haircut?",
"*have",
"https://www.reddit.com/r/natureismetal/comments/7s20jl/bad_kitty_gives_a_bad_haircut/",
"Ah. Now I see.",
"It took me a good 5 seconds to notice, which is definitely not quick enough if you're being hunted...",
"stealth giraffe ",
"Some say this level of deceitfulness makes him a cheetah.",
"Doesn't matter when you is dead.",
"That's fair play, they would be lion",
"Took me longer than that *after* reading the comments. I hope I'm not too tasty.",
"Still photos are not the same. You would have noticed the cheetah faster irl, but probably would have still been dead.",
"I was looking for a ghillie suit..",
"I don't know. I think he's a cheetah.\n\n(showing myself out.)",
"Holy shit that took me way too long. If I was an antelope he'd be halfway through eating me by now.",
"Took less than 5 seconds. Granted, considering the animal is in the bottom right which is where our eyes tend to naturally drift. Anyways, I don't get this. In real life, sure, it might be hard to notice, granted you'd have other things to queue you in to it. However, it's still painfully obvious. 3/10, would die in pubg. ",
"Spent a good time searching for a sniper in camo. ",
"can't understand ",
"I feel like the person taking the picture was actually photographing the tree.. They we're later eaten and this picture was one of the last taken. ",
"Aaaaand I'm dead!",
"Aaaaand I'm dead!",
"It’s crazy how animals use pixels to their advantage ",
"That's not a cheetah. That's a leopard.",
"At least you’re not wrong, that’s gotta count for something ",
"For those lost: Cheetah just to the right of the base of the tree, in front of the hiding giraffe, adjacent to the gazelle. Also there's a bearded pygmy chameleon on the left tree trunk.",
"\"Yeah, this is gonna be another one of those OH\"",
"*“Clever girl.”*",
"Really? Are you kitten me?",
"I was looking for the black dude. Always the black dude be hiding in plain sight. Reddit has ruined me.",
"Just shit yourself in predatory situations. ",
"Thank god... I was starting to feel like the only casual racist left! I too was looking for that bright cheshire grin of a young person of African descent in the bushes. ",
"I was too, thinking there was some sort of tree-like predator that I now had to be worried about. ",
"Found all five of them. Had to import to photoshop and mess with the colors though.",
"All I see is Groot",
"Took me 50s. I must be as dead as an antelope if I’m a zebra.",
"Thanks I would’ve been lunch meat if you hadn’t tipped me off. Of course how would we ever get away fast enough from that cat IDK",
"Took me a while, but I finally found the praying mantis.",
"DAMN that took longer to find than camo guy with the bow!",
"My heart actually jumped a little when I finally saw it....\n\nBut given the amount of time it took me, I would have been dead, 3 times over.",
"Bottom right thank me or hate me ",
"Ah, I see you've played cheetah/leopard before.",
"....being hunted? By what? I still don't see anything in the AAAAAAARRRRGGGGGGGGG.......",
"I remember being on safari in Botswana and our guide would frequently stop and say 'look over there'. I'd be staring for a while before catching it. This guy is driving a truck and could still pick out crazy camouflaged or distant animals, it was incredible!",
"No, because that’s actually a leopard, not a cheetah",
" There is another cat face here",
"Nice kitty.",
"It's always good to know whether you're about to die quickly or very quickly.",
"I bet you get pretty good at it when you don't wanna die",
"Now photshop it out",
"Shit! I looked for way too long then jumped and said “shit!” out loud.",
"Ah, Death approaches ",
"I can't unsee it now...",
"I honestly thought you were just trolling with a picture of some trees.",
"That bird really looks awesome! 🤔",
"I found the sniper! ",
"Me too hahaha",
"Bottom right next to the tree.",
"When I was young these were never challenging and I could never figured out how people said it was camouflage because I would immediately spot the animal. but the older I get the worse I am at spotting these things.",
"I was trying to see something in the bark for a good 10 seconds.",
"Took a while to find the second one.",
"when you see it",
"Im dead now",
"> I hope I'm not too tasty.\n\nI was actually looking for a person until I saw this. Found it soon after. Weird how that works.",
"Its been 5 mins...how dead am I?",
"Someone learned the value of [not being seen](https://youtu.be/ifmRgQX82O4)",
"If you thought the leopard was impressive. Wait until you find the snake.",
"I’m pretty much dinner for that guy. ",
"What a catastrophe of a pun thread.",
"Aaannnnnnnnnd I'm dead",
"It took me about a minute to find the first one. I only spotted the second one by chance.",
"Trees have amazing camoflage. ",
"I was looking for something in the trees..... Guess I'm jaguar (or leopard) food!",
"wait it's just a lame picture of a tre\n\nHOLY SHIT",
"I was searching the tree bark for some next level real tree or something. I jumped a little when I realized I was kitty chow. ",
"You were dead at 2 seconds.",
"that was the weakest pun so far. I hope you are feline bad about it.",
"Here’s a trick if you put you nose up to the screen can slowly pull back y’all be able to find it ",
"I spent way too much time looking at where the “arrow” looking bent twig pointed!",
"Cadaveriffic",
"ENHANCE oh hello kitty",
"Jesus christ. I would never have seen that.",
"I died",
"I think it's a leopard",
"There's a leopard to the right of the trunk",
"/r/FindTheSniper ",
"Too late... He's dead, Jim",
"He should have been playing spot the leopard. He's dead now.",
"Almost shit myself when I found it",
"I would of been eaten.",
"Mr. A Cheetah of 223 West Savannah Dr, please stand up.\n\nMr. Cheetah has learned the first lesson of not being seen...",
"Still waiting on the flash jump scare...",
" He had to take a paws and think about it",
"that's what I was thinking... even the slightest breeze would make it stick out like a sore thumb.",
"When you see it... ",
"Purrhaps they're just bad at wordplay, fur once i'd like to see some understanding on here.",
"Stared at the tree way too long thinking that trunk on the right was a hiding Groot",
"You beat me, kitty",
"Cheetah, cheetah. Pumpkin Eat'ah",
"am*",
"Mate I'd be toast took me a good minute! As for tasty, I'll let you decide xD",
"It is",
"Started at the top? ",
"I'm not sure that using 2 puns in one post is really acceptable, it just uses up puns that others might want to use. There should be a rule against it IMO, or at least a claws.",
"But did you see the gorilla?",
"It took me probably 10-15 seconds... I spent too much time looking at the bark of the trees for a bird or insect. I would be a candidate for a Darwin award right now were I standing in front of that tree IRL.",
"Where is it\nEdit: oh",
"/r/AnimalsBlendingIn ",
"Does anyone see the cat face on the left?",
"I found Waldo!",
"I was looking for a chubby white kid with camo pants... I know he's in there somewhere, all I could find was a stupid leopard.",
"I've seen this picture half a dozen times. First time it took me like two minutes. Each successive time I still had to look for it, took me like half as long every time. Maybe someday I'll remember where this fucker is hiding.",
"But now the cat’s out of the bag, isn’t it?..",
"You can't see that pussy's foot. That is some great Camo Toe..",
"That's fair, im new to the pun game here. Could you tail me any more social rules i should know?",
"Was staring at the tree for way too long because my thought process about camo is asshole' s trying to look like trees ... would definitely be ate",
"Duuuuude, you could have mentioned that it was gross/disturbing etc. I can't unsee that :(",
"*pm",
"Who can unsee it? My apologies. ",
"[>yup that's a tree](https://i.imgur.com/HfsHw1f.jpg)",
"ITT: Everybody in the comments would be leopard food",
"For the time it took me to notice, I would’ve been dead. ",
"Man it took me forever to find that owl!",
"I spent way too long looking at the tree instead ",
"Same here until I read the comment and it was a leopard!",
"To the right of the tree in the grass a leopard ",
"/r/gatekeeping",
"turn that frown upside down...",
"Took my gf and I a good ten seconds each, then we both went \"hue hue that's a hid-y kitty!\". ",
"Correct and squinted at the trees for awhile",
"Welp gotta look it over again",
"Is there a \"spot the camouflage\" subreddit?",
"Faster: https://youtu.be/RTUhrVuRs5s",
"Its the movement that we are keyed for. That kind of camo only works on humans in static images. \n\nWell, maybe not “only” but it definitely works best on humans with static images. ",
"I actually backed out to see what sub this was in. I was convinced it was a circlejerk or similar post. Then I saw it.... ",
"Just going to double check and make sure this isn't a gif... alright then.",
"..oh! There it is.",
"Have you not seen the second one yet?",
"The reflection in the scope revealed him.",
"Take your upvote and get out",
"are there any reddit subs that are dedicated to these types of photos? I see one every now and again but think it would be cool to find a sub devoted to it, which I imagine there must be already since there's a sub for everything..",
"Took me a minute and having to zoom in. 10/10 would be dead out there.",
"Same was expecting iguana found kitty. ",
"You... suck.",
"See, this is how to put slo mo in a video. Show in real time first, then add a slo mo shot. ",
"I think what I am learning here today is that I am really thankful for civilization as I know it.",
"How much of me will the thing I can't see eat, lots",
"Is this a picture of John Cena? Because I don't see anything.",
"Took me like 10 seconds to see the alligator. Very well camouflaged.",
"Wow I would be so eaten",
"Oh shit! I was about to call bullshit, but damn. I'd be dead. ",
"Took me longer. I dead.",
"Yep, I'm dead.",
"dammit",
"That’s it, I’m dead. ",
"I spent about 2 seconds looking for a person posted up against the tree. Then I noticed the leopard. 2 seconds probably would have gotten me killed. ",
"The dung beetles are already rolling up the shit",
"Holy crap it took me a good while to see it !",
"you mean the owl?",
"Your only found the leopard. You likely missed the three naked women and the civic. ",
"To be fair the focal point of this photo is the tree. I was looking for some creature hidden on the bark. Took me a second to see that hidden savage beauty ",
"24hr ",
"My favorite part of that episode was the musical guest. ",
"Too late, you're dead.",
"Too late, you're dead.",
"Unfortunately we know he is behind that tree. ",
"Good thing I'm not the prey or I'd be fucked. Took about 5 seconds too long to realize.",
"Wait, you didn't find the soldier?",
"Oh hey there little guy c:",
"TFW u were looking for a human...",
"Took me a minute to spot the kitty...I would've been a fresh meal for it by then.",
"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Mn6O4blB1A",
"There’s only one...right...?",
"Even after reading the correct analysis in the comments I'm still seeing a lizard half way up the tree on the right hand trunk.",
"Welp I'd be really dead if I was a gazelle.",
" Ok guys.... Where’s the black guy?",
"real life also has more than 100 pixels lol",
"I was looking about 5ft above him thinking I saw the head of Groot behind the tree. I thought \"not much of a camouflage really\"",
"Was there a Red shirt in this episode?",
"Took me 2 minutes to find it",
"After reading your comment, I actually found soon as I tried tilting my head.",
"Looked at tree, could not see lizard or bird or whatever it was suppose to be.\n \nAh a troll. Let's see who else fell for it.\n \nRead comments, looked again, shat. ",
"isn't there a sub thread for \"finding Waldo\" type images for animals ",
"Predators often start eating at the asshole",
"It took me an additional 15 seconds to notice the second one..wow! ",
"Damn it took me waaaaay too long to find that ant",
"Leapods are my favourite animal ",
"This is true, just ask Father Cunningham from back when I was an altar boy. ",
"PUBG has weaponized my senses. Nothing around the base of a tree is safe. ",
"Too me way to long to find the black guy in this picture.",
"I wanted the challenge of finding it. Fuck me I'm not going to the Savannah.",
"Not really that good. I saw that bow hunter immediately.",
"I’m dead. ",
"I decided it was a picture of nothing, then I went to the comments and saw this. After that, it only took me ~2 seconds to see it. ",
"he got me. I'm food now.",
"Im dead.",
"I need a pointed stick",
"Pirates!!!",
"Welp now I know I am dead in this situation. I may also need glasses...",
"Wow, didn’t realize I’d miss a literal gorilla walking through the forest",
"Ironically the title pointing out there's a camo probably made it harder to notice.",
"I still can't find it. Yeah I'd die quickly ",
"Dude the tag for the post itself was NSFL.\n\nYou have only yourself to blame",
"Holy shit took me way too long to find that lol",
"Took way too long for me to find it, like 2 mins ",
"Lol jesus christ",
"Anyone else think it was a huge ass alligator in the middle?",
"):",
"Jesus. Imagine walking a trail and finally spotting that...",
">Lol jesus christ\n\n...held /u/Throwaway_2-1 down while Father Cunningham ate dat ass in the church basement.",
"Welp I’d be dead",
"MVP.\n\nI was also never very good at Where's Wally.",
"Yeah if we could not tell people how long that took me to find...that’d be greeeeaaaat.",
"I’m a idiot. I thought I was looking for a person. Not only was I looking for a person, I thought I found him.",
"Even when I saw it I wasn’t sure it was really there. ",
"you can tell that it's an aspen because of the way it is. ",
"Wait, what?",
"Whenever I see these the first thing I do is check the comments to make sure there is actually something to see...I've been trolled one too many times...",
"Acktually... leopards are much more dangerous to humans, cheetahs are kind of a specialized gazelle predator. I don’t know if any man-eating cheetahs are recorded. Leopards, oh yeah. \n\nJust don’t run from them. Prey/flight instinct and all that. ",
"Or the huge penis? ",
"That hippopotamus has the best camouflage I’ve ever seen",
"Wow! I barely noticed that guy standing behind the jaguar!",
"I'm dead. After a quick scan of the rest of the image I stared at the center tree for 30 seconds convinced there was a human there. Then as I swear the human was there I no longer could make out where his head was. Then I went back down to the guys torso and there it was waiting to pounce on me. Sick sick kitty cat. \n",
"Yay I finally found one without looking to the comments!!!",
"Take my upvote and get the fuck out of here. It took me forever to see it. Thanks for letting me know I’ll never survive outside a city.",
"Yeah, both of them would have had me for dinner.",
"I was food ",
"Good bot",
"Is there a spooky \"When You See It\" sorta subreddit like this somewhere? ",
"annnnnd I'm dead.😮\n\n*Locks all doors, lawyers up, quits Facebook, and hides under bed*",
"Wow. I would have been killed 10 times over, the time it took me to find it! \nWhy did god give me such gullible eyes??",
"Finally found the bloody lizard",
"How about the moonwalking bear?",
"I had to zoom in",
"r/findthesniper",
"*Ah there’s a lizard behind that tree on the left*\n\nCan’t catch me out ",
"I just want to make sure it's not one of those fucking gifs that gets you concentrating real hard, then BAM, shreiking jump-scare dead old-lady ghost.",
"I was looking for a dude in a ghillie suit for a solid 15 seconds ",
"> Have you not seen the second one yet?\n\nClever girl. ",
"Ok, I'm dead. I'm so dead. Took me we say too long.",
"You all saw the leopard, but did you notice the hippo?",
"If you compare them in an attack and risk they pose alone, without considering stats and their behaviours, cheetahs are lighter, have limbs made more for running than grappling and clawing you, have less sharp and less strong claws, and have a weaker bite than leopards. Sure they trip gazelles well, but in high speed chase, and being of similar size.\n\nLeopards are heavier, have more powerful limbs, a much more powerful bite, have limbs more adapted to swipe at you or hang onto your sorry ass and tear your flesh, or jump at your face. They can more easily reach your throat with their jumping ability beating that of cheetahs, or have you end up thrown on the ground with their weight alone\n\nBut yeah, no running, no turning your back on them.",
"> ....being hunted? By what? I still don't see anything in the AAAAAAARRRRGGGGGGGGG.......\n\nAs in the [Castle of Aaaarrggghhh?](https://youtu.be/ZlIz0q8aWpA)",
"What the fuck is that from? My brain hurts now? Free me! Black Adder? Field Marshall and house keep popping into my head, but can't place it.",
"That’s kind of a pointless game. The leopard was already spotted before you began playing. ",
"I wasn't even looking for an animal, I was sat here looking for an army type dude blending with the tree. I'm deader than dead. ",
"If it were a cheetah you’d be safe no matter what because they don’t hunt people. ",
"[The Simpsons.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcE0aAhbVFc) ",
"Hell.. that thing could have caught an uber to my house before I found it in that picture. I'm dead",
"Holy shit. Dark meat would have been on the menu. Took me a while to find it. ",
"Am red-green colourblind, saw instantly.\n\nSurvival of the fittest, normies. ^Yes ^I ^^will ^^have ^^one ^^of ^^your ^^delicious ^^^*red* ^^^berries...",
"Oh, I see it, it's a schooner!",
"took me longer to see the guy behind the tree than I care to admit.",
"Gotta a sprained ankle, saw instantly too.",
"We can warn the others",
"Everyone's saying cheetah but isn't it a leopard?",
"Aaaaand am dead 💀 ",
"It's like \"Where's Waldo\", but you get eaten when you lose.",
"The real hero, thank you. Knew there was an accent 😀",
"Or tell them, that there is some nice strawberries at the tree. They get eaten when they check it out, and the ankle sprained can slowly withdraw to safety, in an unpainful manner.",
"I too have a future as Leopard poop.",
"You didn't see the one in the bark? \n\nThis guy's dead, we're all saved!\n",
"I honestly still can’t find this thing.",
"Ask not for whom is deader, deader is thee.",
"I was trying to figure out what was going on with the stump in the lower left for far longer than that hunter would have waited.",
"Listen here you little shit...",
"No, not Jesus Christ. It was Father \"Cunnilingus\" Cunningham.\n",
"Weelll I’d be dead, I can only hope Scottish folk don’t taste real good ",
"I give up. Wheres the black guy ",
"We'll start our own civilization, but it needs a better title than \"Land of the Blind and Lame\". ",
"i almost missed the gray rhino. Damn that's good camouflage.\n",
"They want to eat the tastiest part first 😩",
"Did you find the second one though?",
"Took me a while on the 2nd one too.",
"It took a minute to find the first one, but the second one was a fucking bastard. Well done.",
"Harder to see on mobile for sure. But once you see it you can't unsee it",
"Yep, I'm ded.",
"Damn nature you scary",
"There is no second one huh? ",
"You don't die of old age in the wild. ",
"Just going to double check-out procedure and make sure it's prey by movement.",
"It's definitely there. Yup.\n\nAbsolutely has a second one.",
"Well, I definitely would've gotten eaten.",
"Listen fuckass this isn't funny. People are going to be all paranoid as shit cause their response times aren't as fast as Kenny Powers'. ",
"I am dead! No point denying it took me forever to see it.",
"I see the leaf bug",
"Yea i was looking for like a lizard or sum on the tree",
"I saw the big cat, but who else saw the guy standing next to it?",
"Once you see the penis it's so obvious though.",
"I've just realised I'm dead. ",
"Oh cool. A firetruck.",
"[What if I'm wearing one of these???](https://www.halloweencostumes.com/child-cheetah-costume.html?utm_source=google&utm_medium=ppc&network=search&pcid=21&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI5cLF-pjt2AIViYvICh0qPQzBEAkYASABEgIfDPD_BwE)",
"i dont see anything other than a really stupid watermark ...",
"Then I suggest you check the gender of the animal you've meet: if its a male, it might try to get you pregnant",
"[What about this guy?](https://i.pinimg.com/564x/ac/46/00/ac460099dc7aaa4099dbef9ca4bde8f9--hunting-stuff-deer-hunting.jpg) ",
"Neat!",
"I mean, that's better than dying, right?",
"I needed it pointed out to me too. Amazing",
"It's like Where's Waldo, if Waldo would proceed to eat you if you fail to find him first.",
"This took me so long to find the comments really helped to find it. I stared so blankly thinking it was on the trees. But ask yourself this if you were out there would it be easier to see it if there was some animation? I would think motion would help a lot of people out.",
"That's pretty neat! ",
" But does anyone else see a giant crocodile?",
"Shit.!",
"You're looking for a cat.",
"Anyone else see Korg in the tree center right?",
"Sure, but leopards tend to never pay child support on time, so it turns it into a long-term annoyance",
"Wow. Now I get their markings. The dark spots are meant to mimic dark spots in tall yellow grass. Really amazing how evolution works.",
"Reminds me of a colonel angus I once new from shady thicket deep down south.",
"I don't know if my visual senses were tuned by PUBG, but I saw that in about a second. Doubt that would increase my chances of survival at that range, though.",
"I cheated and looked in the comments. I will swear it was there before but now that I've seen it and I can't unsee it. Brains are weird.",
"I'd be so dead",
"Practically invisible ",
"My entire reaction was:\n1.) There's nothing there (wearing a stupid skeptical face)\n2.) (5 seconds late) God damnit, fuck!!\n3.) Jump up hysterically and freak out momentarily.",
"Wut. You can only see that tag once you've opened the post with the picture... ",
"I stared at that darn tree for about ten minutes. And then I saw it and thought. \" I would've been dead a Thousand times!\" ",
"Amazing. Had to zoom after reading comments even.",
"Anyone else notice the baboon face in the grass directly to the right of the dead part of the tree?",
"Funny thing is, this is\n1. Static\n2. Fixed Framing\n3. Poor resolution \n4. Two-dimensional \nNot saying you’d see it in real life, but it wouldn’t be that impossible. ",
"Wow... yeap, I would be eaten in seconds. I was never that good at hide and seek. ",
"I was convinced that small piece of tree trunk in the bottom left was some sort of chipmunk or beaver or something by the shape of it. I was zooming in and everything trying to figure out what it was.\n\nGave up and came to the comments to discover I would've been dead if I had to live on the wild. ",
"Whoa tool my ages to spot it\n",
"Me too! I didn't even look at the grass, I was staring hard at the tree trunks and getting mighty impressed at the ridiculously successful camo.\n\n...Then I found him right away after reading the top comment. ",
"I found it pretty neat over all.",
"*Leopard",
"Took me a while to find the second one",
"Still noticed it pretty quickly in a static image with bad lighting... Why are humans so damn good ",
"holy fuck. ",
"If we invite the slightly cold and the flat-foot inflicted, we are off to a good start. If any of these categories turns out not to be needed, we can invent a religion/god that they can be sacrificed to.",
"I just want to see you suffer",
"And there was me looking for mr crossbow hunter",
"Sneaky boi",
"When you see it... it's already eaten your face.",
"I am Groot!",
"This entire image made of ninjas ",
"r/natureisfuckinglit",
"Yep...I would have been eaten ",
"Was looking for a human camouflaged not that dude",
"Go Jags.",
"I looked for sixty seconds, gave up, came to the comments to see if there was anything even in the picture, got frustrated that nobody in the comments was being blatant about where to look, went back up to the picture, looked for another 30 seconds, gave up again, came back to the comments, finally found a comment that helped, went back up to the photo and immediately found it. \"Haha,\" I thought, \"Better luck next time, big kitty! Man truly is the superior hunter!\"",
"I'm still looking..\n\nEdit: SHIT",
"Well yeah the leopard is right there, but you didn't see the cheetah? ",
"Looking at tree, looking at tree, hey what's this horizontal slantomygodrunrunrun.",
"Weird comment, if you're in the 4x4 and you stay there you're in no danger from any animal. Photographer could be in the car with a telephoto lens taking pictures from the roof for all we know.\n\nSource: Safari-ed.\n\nhttp://www.pioupioutours.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/Our-Safari-Jeeps.jpg",
"Help?",
"Yup, I died."
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