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Are there a lot of 15 year olds claiming to love classical music? Is this like... a real problem?
Also, who gives a fuck if people say they like classical music? What does that have to do with you? If a 15 year old tells you they like classical matter, your opinion on the matter means absolutely nothing.
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"What does being a science teacher have to do with it?",
">\n\nOP is an idiot 😂",
">\n\nCorrect answer. OP knows nothing about science or classical music so presumes they are related.",
">\n\nI think the problem is when someone says they like doing something, most people think that means they’re always doing it or doing it hard, or like you, they think people need to be blasting music out of their car for 5 hours straight. I’m not always listening to my favorite music or favorite genres and songs. I like classical music and listen to it but I’m not playing it every day or even every week. I love snowboarding but I don’t go every week or spend a whole weekend snowboarding. I have a lot of favorites, too 3s and things I love doing that I haven’t actively engaged with for years",
">\n\nI know what you mean. I’m not talking about the people that do it occasionally and say they like it. Like I like ice skating. But I maybe do it a few times a year. But I wouldn’t say it’s a main hobby or anything.\nI’m talking about the people who insist they listen to classical music like crazy. Like it’s in their top 3 favorite genres.",
">\n\nTrue, I guess maybe if they constantly post about it, I do know a guy who does this with jazz music, he insists that he’s a huge jazz fanatic and constantly posts about it on social media. The way he posts about makes me assume he’s not as crazy about it as he really is, I used to be close to him too, I know for sure he’s never gone to a jazz concert or event. So from that angle I do get you. \nBut I would probably put classical in my top 3, but can’t say I can easily name tracks or tunes. I just prefer the sound overall. I don’t think putting something in your top 3 means you have to be all about that life though.",
">\n\nIm in my mid 30s and I sure do. It relaxes me a lot.",
">\n\nIt’s one of the most popular genres of music in the world and has been around for 100s of years. Maybe you should give it a try instead of whatever you’re attempting with this post.\nPS I blast Canon in D in my car.\nPPS I am not a science teacher.",
">\n\n\nPS I blast Canon in D in my car.\n\ncellists' rage intensifies",
">\n\nHave you missed Two set violin? They pretty much made classical music cool again.",
">\n\nEngineer here. Classical was my second most listened to genre on Spotify. Classic rock, classical, blues. My teen daughter also loves the same genres. Will say it trends more towards modern composers like Hans Zimmer, John Williams and such but occasionally Holst, Mendelssohn, etc. And yes, will even listen to such in the car.",
">\n\nHolst is one of my favorites! I love The Planets.",
">\n\nThe planets are incredible. Jupiter is one of the best pieces of music I have ever played. And Mars and Jupiter are so fun to listen to",
">\n\nI do. The songs have a complexity and a cadence to them that modern music lacks.\nI like modern music too, but classical is different in a way that is good. Bach songs remind me of spring.\nI wish modern musicians would make classical style music. I feel a lot of genres, especially trance and techno, would benefit a lot from it.",
">\n\nI am a former professional classical musician. I have my BS and have even published a book. The problem is:\n\nThe public's concept of music is shaped almost entirely by modern (post-1960's) popular music. The expectations they bring to music is shaped almost entirely by hip-hop/rock/pop. For the most part, and I know this is a generalization, this is music that is 3 to 5 minutes long, doesn't change key, is built almost entirely by repeating the same 3-4 phrases, and has lyrics. Most of the public just doesn't have the patience for an 8 to 10 minute movement of a sonata/symphony that might not even repeat a musical idea more than once, that is entirely instrumental. Indeed, it took me a long time to enjoy listening to classical music, because I just wasn't used to giving music that much of my attention span. \n\nWhen it comes down to it, most classical music, as well as most highbrow music from around the world, asks a lot out of the listener. The majority of people just aren't used to paying close attention for long periods of time. I think this is understandable. Just don't tell me how much you love Tchaikovsky after you turn him off after 3 minutes. \n\nThis one is going to be controversial, but in my experience, its true. People tend to associate music with stereotypes. Even I am guilty of this. I am often hesitant to embrace EDM because I picture rave kids with pacifiers and glow sticks. Not judging you if that's your thing, but that's something I don't want to be associated with. I know that's a stereotype and I'm sure there's many different fashion choices people make when attending EDM events, but I just don't relate to the community of people who enjoy this music, and that gets in the way of my enjoyment of it.\n\nThe same logic can be applied to classical music. Many people hear composers as disparate as Bach, Beethoven, and Debussy, and their minds immediately go to conservative old white people. Historically, the kind of people who enjoy classical music have the stereotype of not being sexy or hip. That's just not a community people want to identify with. I've seen a plethora of youtube videos that even call classical music racist. As outrageous as it might seem, many people are buying into that idea, and that makes them hesitant to embrace this kind of music. \nWhen it comes down to it, contemporary culture imposes the idea of music onto the public in ways that keep them from genuinely enjoying classical music. You have to re-conceptualize your idea of music in order to bring the expectations required to find this music enjoyable. To be fair, much of this music was written for people who were educated in the appreciation of culture and the arts. These kinds of people knew what to listen for and knew what assumptions to make when listening to something titled \"fugue\" or \"rondo\". \nNot saying it's a bad thing that this kind of audience doesn't really exist in large numbers anymore, but it's unfortunate that so many people are quick to call that kind informed listening \"snobbery\".",
">\n\nWell said. The domination of pop music is stifling to the understanding of Classical. The delivery system of streaming services doesn't help. Everything is a \"song\" now.",
">\n\nBelieve me when I say I listen to classical. Do I do it often tho? No",
">\n\n\"I do something\" and 'I'm a total devoted / obsessed fanboy\" isn't the same thing.\nThis is gatekeeping.",
">\n\nI’m talking about the people who pretend they are devoted to it. Ik people can enjoy something but not obsessive over it",
">\n\nThe best way to enjoy classical music is to hear it live. I go to concerts a few times a year, but yeah listening to it all the time? I have a playlist but it aint my most played.",
">\n\nI find it hard to believe for someone that doesn't play any classical instrument, but for people who do I can believe it. It's a lot easier to develop an appreciation for classical music when you play classical instruments or study music.",
">\n\nLmao, Canon in D is a meme among classical musicians and listeners. If you think that all classical music is like that, it's no wonder you can't believe anyone would enjoy listening to it.",
">\n\nIt made the OP lose all credibility beyond the already shit opinion to begin with.",
">\n\nDumb take.",
">\n\nI was listening to Beethoven and Schubert like crazy at 15. Ironically, I stopped listening after 18/19 but will still sometimes go back. I even acquired a taste for Chopin, Mozart, Vivaldi, and Liszt during those years.",
">\n\nMe and my younger sibling often listen to classical FM when we drive. Most of my youtube follows are classical musicians as well, and yet I don't play an instrument. It's a valid genre.",
">\n\nA NY classical station had a fund drive many years ago. They said if enough people pledged in the next hour, they would not play the Canon in D.",
">\n\nI do every now and then. If it's not reggae it's classical. I'm a firm believer that music has an effect on you and I've noticed these 2 always mellow me out",
">\n\nHonestly it calms us down when we listen. I can't listen to loud crap anymore. I'm 40 for the record. Also, we've gotten our kids used to listening to it while they do their homework. It calls them down too and gets them to focus",
">\n\nWell, I got Bach to Black Sabbath, Debussy to Daft Punk, Tansen (look him up) to Tender, and a whole lotta other things on my list. My playlist contains music of different era/decades, genres, and languages. I understand/speak 5 languages. Depending on my mood, I blast whatever the hell I want, and it doesnt really matter what anyone thinks about it or belives it or not lol \n(\"Science teacher\" 🙄🙄🙄 Buddy, I listened to Mozart while painting when I was in high school). People dont ALWAYS do the things they're into. I don't draw/paint/hike/shoot photos/travel/listen to my fav music/read books/stargaze/make or build stuff etc everyday :/ It doesnt mean I'm not into them. I'm an Administrator by profession, and it means jackshit in this regard, because one's job title/profession isnt who they are as a person, it's not their personality, and it has little to do with everything they enjoy/are interested in in their personal life.",
">\n\nI don't think there's any need to doubt someone who lists classic music among their interests, just because you've observed the fairly obvious, that this category of music is engaged with differently than pop music and other rarely all-instrumental genres.\nWhile I have absolutely driven down the street with classical music on blast, what I'm not doing in that situation is singing along with it. For, again, obvious reasons. And because \"kill the wabbit, kill the wabbit\" really only fits that one piece of music. And because I can't hit those opera notes.\nAnd can I rattle off my favorite pieces Mozart wrote, by opus and movement? No, I'd have to go to my playlist for that. So knowing that I would be put on the spot, here, I wouldn't similarly interrogate someone else who expresses a fondness for classic music. Doesn't mean they're favorites any less than Love Is The Drug by Roxy Music or House of the Rising Sun by The Animals.\nSymphonies have their slower movements, which can almost disappear into environmental noise, and operas have their sections that are exposition or conversation put to music. I can generally only put one on, rather than a curated playlist of the crowd-pleasing moments, when I'm in a very particular headspace.\nReally, I think classical music is just an overly broad term.\nSome of my favorite tracks that music services lump together as part of the genre are works meant to replicate the jovial arrangements that might have been played at court for festivals in the Middle Ages, which I got into when playing Europa Universalis 1 & 2.\nAnd these are nothing like the music of the Baroque era, and later the Romantic period, and even later works by artists recording new orchestral music in the 20th century. Let alone contemporary flamenco guitar pieces from Spain. Even before widening our scope beyond Europe to what is generally, again, lumped together as World Music.\nIt all makes for a very imposing \"genre\" to approach and identify with, and I respect someone who makes an effort. Either because they like the challenge it represents to engage with beyond a \"Classical Music At The Movies\" compilation, or because without any kind of grounding in musical theory, they nevertheless can appreciate, as audiences have for centuries, really well written and conducted orchestral pieces, or the stripped-down chamber music versions of the same.",
">\n\nYou clearly haven’t met my cats. They listen to jazz and classical… although the romance period is a bit to energetic. They prefer contemporary or classical for focus/relaxation.",
">\n\nThey sound cool asf",
">\n\nEver since the pandemic I’ve only been listening to Classical Japanese music. I particularly like the jiuta songs. I have no idea what’s going on anymore with current music. I’m sure at some point that will change but for now it is what it is.",
">\n\nwasaait, what's wrong with reading? it's mid January, I'm finishing my second book already\ndude wtf? it's not even an opinion, don't judge people by your low standards",
">\n\n100% agree. I was this guy at 15. I only listened to the most technical of death metal bands and classical because my taste in music was so refined and superior to all the sheep around me listening to their bubble gum pop and hip hop. Fuckin cringe lookin back at that time in my life. And guess how much classical I actually listened to? basically none.",
">\n\nThis is exactly what I’m talking about!",
">\n\nWhat era are you defining as “classical”? Because it’s not a monolith or single era. What people call “classical” music falls under one of several era/genre umbrellas: Baroque, Rococo, Neoclassic, etc.",
">\n\nWym 'baroque'? It's just an umbrella term, do you mean italian baroque, german baroque, french baroque, spanish baroque or english baroque? Or are you going to tell me that there are people who REALLY think Purcell and Zelenka sound the same??\nYeah, let's stick to 'classic' for OP's discussion"
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At the end of the day I’m just saying that don’t pretended to be someone else. Just be honest with yourself. And if you genuinely like classical and you’re not the demographic that I would assume like it then this post does not apply to you.
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"What does being a science teacher have to do with it?",
">\n\nOP is an idiot 😂",
">\n\nCorrect answer. OP knows nothing about science or classical music so presumes they are related.",
">\n\nI think the problem is when someone says they like doing something, most people think that means they’re always doing it or doing it hard, or like you, they think people need to be blasting music out of their car for 5 hours straight. I’m not always listening to my favorite music or favorite genres and songs. I like classical music and listen to it but I’m not playing it every day or even every week. I love snowboarding but I don’t go every week or spend a whole weekend snowboarding. I have a lot of favorites, too 3s and things I love doing that I haven’t actively engaged with for years",
">\n\nI know what you mean. I’m not talking about the people that do it occasionally and say they like it. Like I like ice skating. But I maybe do it a few times a year. But I wouldn’t say it’s a main hobby or anything.\nI’m talking about the people who insist they listen to classical music like crazy. Like it’s in their top 3 favorite genres.",
">\n\nTrue, I guess maybe if they constantly post about it, I do know a guy who does this with jazz music, he insists that he’s a huge jazz fanatic and constantly posts about it on social media. The way he posts about makes me assume he’s not as crazy about it as he really is, I used to be close to him too, I know for sure he’s never gone to a jazz concert or event. So from that angle I do get you. \nBut I would probably put classical in my top 3, but can’t say I can easily name tracks or tunes. I just prefer the sound overall. I don’t think putting something in your top 3 means you have to be all about that life though.",
">\n\nIm in my mid 30s and I sure do. It relaxes me a lot.",
">\n\nIt’s one of the most popular genres of music in the world and has been around for 100s of years. Maybe you should give it a try instead of whatever you’re attempting with this post.\nPS I blast Canon in D in my car.\nPPS I am not a science teacher.",
">\n\n\nPS I blast Canon in D in my car.\n\ncellists' rage intensifies",
">\n\nHave you missed Two set violin? They pretty much made classical music cool again.",
">\n\nEngineer here. Classical was my second most listened to genre on Spotify. Classic rock, classical, blues. My teen daughter also loves the same genres. Will say it trends more towards modern composers like Hans Zimmer, John Williams and such but occasionally Holst, Mendelssohn, etc. And yes, will even listen to such in the car.",
">\n\nHolst is one of my favorites! I love The Planets.",
">\n\nThe planets are incredible. Jupiter is one of the best pieces of music I have ever played. And Mars and Jupiter are so fun to listen to",
">\n\nI do. The songs have a complexity and a cadence to them that modern music lacks.\nI like modern music too, but classical is different in a way that is good. Bach songs remind me of spring.\nI wish modern musicians would make classical style music. I feel a lot of genres, especially trance and techno, would benefit a lot from it.",
">\n\nI am a former professional classical musician. I have my BS and have even published a book. The problem is:\n\nThe public's concept of music is shaped almost entirely by modern (post-1960's) popular music. The expectations they bring to music is shaped almost entirely by hip-hop/rock/pop. For the most part, and I know this is a generalization, this is music that is 3 to 5 minutes long, doesn't change key, is built almost entirely by repeating the same 3-4 phrases, and has lyrics. Most of the public just doesn't have the patience for an 8 to 10 minute movement of a sonata/symphony that might not even repeat a musical idea more than once, that is entirely instrumental. Indeed, it took me a long time to enjoy listening to classical music, because I just wasn't used to giving music that much of my attention span. \n\nWhen it comes down to it, most classical music, as well as most highbrow music from around the world, asks a lot out of the listener. The majority of people just aren't used to paying close attention for long periods of time. I think this is understandable. Just don't tell me how much you love Tchaikovsky after you turn him off after 3 minutes. \n\nThis one is going to be controversial, but in my experience, its true. People tend to associate music with stereotypes. Even I am guilty of this. I am often hesitant to embrace EDM because I picture rave kids with pacifiers and glow sticks. Not judging you if that's your thing, but that's something I don't want to be associated with. I know that's a stereotype and I'm sure there's many different fashion choices people make when attending EDM events, but I just don't relate to the community of people who enjoy this music, and that gets in the way of my enjoyment of it.\n\nThe same logic can be applied to classical music. Many people hear composers as disparate as Bach, Beethoven, and Debussy, and their minds immediately go to conservative old white people. Historically, the kind of people who enjoy classical music have the stereotype of not being sexy or hip. That's just not a community people want to identify with. I've seen a plethora of youtube videos that even call classical music racist. As outrageous as it might seem, many people are buying into that idea, and that makes them hesitant to embrace this kind of music. \nWhen it comes down to it, contemporary culture imposes the idea of music onto the public in ways that keep them from genuinely enjoying classical music. You have to re-conceptualize your idea of music in order to bring the expectations required to find this music enjoyable. To be fair, much of this music was written for people who were educated in the appreciation of culture and the arts. These kinds of people knew what to listen for and knew what assumptions to make when listening to something titled \"fugue\" or \"rondo\". \nNot saying it's a bad thing that this kind of audience doesn't really exist in large numbers anymore, but it's unfortunate that so many people are quick to call that kind informed listening \"snobbery\".",
">\n\nWell said. The domination of pop music is stifling to the understanding of Classical. The delivery system of streaming services doesn't help. Everything is a \"song\" now.",
">\n\nBelieve me when I say I listen to classical. Do I do it often tho? No",
">\n\n\"I do something\" and 'I'm a total devoted / obsessed fanboy\" isn't the same thing.\nThis is gatekeeping.",
">\n\nI’m talking about the people who pretend they are devoted to it. Ik people can enjoy something but not obsessive over it",
">\n\nThe best way to enjoy classical music is to hear it live. I go to concerts a few times a year, but yeah listening to it all the time? I have a playlist but it aint my most played.",
">\n\nI find it hard to believe for someone that doesn't play any classical instrument, but for people who do I can believe it. It's a lot easier to develop an appreciation for classical music when you play classical instruments or study music.",
">\n\nLmao, Canon in D is a meme among classical musicians and listeners. If you think that all classical music is like that, it's no wonder you can't believe anyone would enjoy listening to it.",
">\n\nIt made the OP lose all credibility beyond the already shit opinion to begin with.",
">\n\nDumb take.",
">\n\nI was listening to Beethoven and Schubert like crazy at 15. Ironically, I stopped listening after 18/19 but will still sometimes go back. I even acquired a taste for Chopin, Mozart, Vivaldi, and Liszt during those years.",
">\n\nMe and my younger sibling often listen to classical FM when we drive. Most of my youtube follows are classical musicians as well, and yet I don't play an instrument. It's a valid genre.",
">\n\nA NY classical station had a fund drive many years ago. They said if enough people pledged in the next hour, they would not play the Canon in D.",
">\n\nI do every now and then. If it's not reggae it's classical. I'm a firm believer that music has an effect on you and I've noticed these 2 always mellow me out",
">\n\nHonestly it calms us down when we listen. I can't listen to loud crap anymore. I'm 40 for the record. Also, we've gotten our kids used to listening to it while they do their homework. It calls them down too and gets them to focus",
">\n\nWell, I got Bach to Black Sabbath, Debussy to Daft Punk, Tansen (look him up) to Tender, and a whole lotta other things on my list. My playlist contains music of different era/decades, genres, and languages. I understand/speak 5 languages. Depending on my mood, I blast whatever the hell I want, and it doesnt really matter what anyone thinks about it or belives it or not lol \n(\"Science teacher\" 🙄🙄🙄 Buddy, I listened to Mozart while painting when I was in high school). People dont ALWAYS do the things they're into. I don't draw/paint/hike/shoot photos/travel/listen to my fav music/read books/stargaze/make or build stuff etc everyday :/ It doesnt mean I'm not into them. I'm an Administrator by profession, and it means jackshit in this regard, because one's job title/profession isnt who they are as a person, it's not their personality, and it has little to do with everything they enjoy/are interested in in their personal life.",
">\n\nI don't think there's any need to doubt someone who lists classic music among their interests, just because you've observed the fairly obvious, that this category of music is engaged with differently than pop music and other rarely all-instrumental genres.\nWhile I have absolutely driven down the street with classical music on blast, what I'm not doing in that situation is singing along with it. For, again, obvious reasons. And because \"kill the wabbit, kill the wabbit\" really only fits that one piece of music. And because I can't hit those opera notes.\nAnd can I rattle off my favorite pieces Mozart wrote, by opus and movement? No, I'd have to go to my playlist for that. So knowing that I would be put on the spot, here, I wouldn't similarly interrogate someone else who expresses a fondness for classic music. Doesn't mean they're favorites any less than Love Is The Drug by Roxy Music or House of the Rising Sun by The Animals.\nSymphonies have their slower movements, which can almost disappear into environmental noise, and operas have their sections that are exposition or conversation put to music. I can generally only put one on, rather than a curated playlist of the crowd-pleasing moments, when I'm in a very particular headspace.\nReally, I think classical music is just an overly broad term.\nSome of my favorite tracks that music services lump together as part of the genre are works meant to replicate the jovial arrangements that might have been played at court for festivals in the Middle Ages, which I got into when playing Europa Universalis 1 & 2.\nAnd these are nothing like the music of the Baroque era, and later the Romantic period, and even later works by artists recording new orchestral music in the 20th century. Let alone contemporary flamenco guitar pieces from Spain. Even before widening our scope beyond Europe to what is generally, again, lumped together as World Music.\nIt all makes for a very imposing \"genre\" to approach and identify with, and I respect someone who makes an effort. Either because they like the challenge it represents to engage with beyond a \"Classical Music At The Movies\" compilation, or because without any kind of grounding in musical theory, they nevertheless can appreciate, as audiences have for centuries, really well written and conducted orchestral pieces, or the stripped-down chamber music versions of the same.",
">\n\nYou clearly haven’t met my cats. They listen to jazz and classical… although the romance period is a bit to energetic. They prefer contemporary or classical for focus/relaxation.",
">\n\nThey sound cool asf",
">\n\nEver since the pandemic I’ve only been listening to Classical Japanese music. I particularly like the jiuta songs. I have no idea what’s going on anymore with current music. I’m sure at some point that will change but for now it is what it is.",
">\n\nwasaait, what's wrong with reading? it's mid January, I'm finishing my second book already\ndude wtf? it's not even an opinion, don't judge people by your low standards",
">\n\n100% agree. I was this guy at 15. I only listened to the most technical of death metal bands and classical because my taste in music was so refined and superior to all the sheep around me listening to their bubble gum pop and hip hop. Fuckin cringe lookin back at that time in my life. And guess how much classical I actually listened to? basically none.",
">\n\nThis is exactly what I’m talking about!",
">\n\nWhat era are you defining as “classical”? Because it’s not a monolith or single era. What people call “classical” music falls under one of several era/genre umbrellas: Baroque, Rococo, Neoclassic, etc.",
">\n\nWym 'baroque'? It's just an umbrella term, do you mean italian baroque, german baroque, french baroque, spanish baroque or english baroque? Or are you going to tell me that there are people who REALLY think Purcell and Zelenka sound the same??\nYeah, let's stick to 'classic' for OP's discussion",
">\n\nAre there a lot of 15 year olds claiming to love classical music? Is this like... a real problem?\nAlso, who gives a fuck if people say they like classical music? What does that have to do with you? If a 15 year old tells you they like classical matter, your opinion on the matter means absolutely nothing."
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This post applies to no one because you have no idea if people actually like classical or not, that's my point. There's no demographic.
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"What does being a science teacher have to do with it?",
">\n\nOP is an idiot 😂",
">\n\nCorrect answer. OP knows nothing about science or classical music so presumes they are related.",
">\n\nI think the problem is when someone says they like doing something, most people think that means they’re always doing it or doing it hard, or like you, they think people need to be blasting music out of their car for 5 hours straight. I’m not always listening to my favorite music or favorite genres and songs. I like classical music and listen to it but I’m not playing it every day or even every week. I love snowboarding but I don’t go every week or spend a whole weekend snowboarding. I have a lot of favorites, too 3s and things I love doing that I haven’t actively engaged with for years",
">\n\nI know what you mean. I’m not talking about the people that do it occasionally and say they like it. Like I like ice skating. But I maybe do it a few times a year. But I wouldn’t say it’s a main hobby or anything.\nI’m talking about the people who insist they listen to classical music like crazy. Like it’s in their top 3 favorite genres.",
">\n\nTrue, I guess maybe if they constantly post about it, I do know a guy who does this with jazz music, he insists that he’s a huge jazz fanatic and constantly posts about it on social media. The way he posts about makes me assume he’s not as crazy about it as he really is, I used to be close to him too, I know for sure he’s never gone to a jazz concert or event. So from that angle I do get you. \nBut I would probably put classical in my top 3, but can’t say I can easily name tracks or tunes. I just prefer the sound overall. I don’t think putting something in your top 3 means you have to be all about that life though.",
">\n\nIm in my mid 30s and I sure do. It relaxes me a lot.",
">\n\nIt’s one of the most popular genres of music in the world and has been around for 100s of years. Maybe you should give it a try instead of whatever you’re attempting with this post.\nPS I blast Canon in D in my car.\nPPS I am not a science teacher.",
">\n\n\nPS I blast Canon in D in my car.\n\ncellists' rage intensifies",
">\n\nHave you missed Two set violin? They pretty much made classical music cool again.",
">\n\nEngineer here. Classical was my second most listened to genre on Spotify. Classic rock, classical, blues. My teen daughter also loves the same genres. Will say it trends more towards modern composers like Hans Zimmer, John Williams and such but occasionally Holst, Mendelssohn, etc. And yes, will even listen to such in the car.",
">\n\nHolst is one of my favorites! I love The Planets.",
">\n\nThe planets are incredible. Jupiter is one of the best pieces of music I have ever played. And Mars and Jupiter are so fun to listen to",
">\n\nI do. The songs have a complexity and a cadence to them that modern music lacks.\nI like modern music too, but classical is different in a way that is good. Bach songs remind me of spring.\nI wish modern musicians would make classical style music. I feel a lot of genres, especially trance and techno, would benefit a lot from it.",
">\n\nI am a former professional classical musician. I have my BS and have even published a book. The problem is:\n\nThe public's concept of music is shaped almost entirely by modern (post-1960's) popular music. The expectations they bring to music is shaped almost entirely by hip-hop/rock/pop. For the most part, and I know this is a generalization, this is music that is 3 to 5 minutes long, doesn't change key, is built almost entirely by repeating the same 3-4 phrases, and has lyrics. Most of the public just doesn't have the patience for an 8 to 10 minute movement of a sonata/symphony that might not even repeat a musical idea more than once, that is entirely instrumental. Indeed, it took me a long time to enjoy listening to classical music, because I just wasn't used to giving music that much of my attention span. \n\nWhen it comes down to it, most classical music, as well as most highbrow music from around the world, asks a lot out of the listener. The majority of people just aren't used to paying close attention for long periods of time. I think this is understandable. Just don't tell me how much you love Tchaikovsky after you turn him off after 3 minutes. \n\nThis one is going to be controversial, but in my experience, its true. People tend to associate music with stereotypes. Even I am guilty of this. I am often hesitant to embrace EDM because I picture rave kids with pacifiers and glow sticks. Not judging you if that's your thing, but that's something I don't want to be associated with. I know that's a stereotype and I'm sure there's many different fashion choices people make when attending EDM events, but I just don't relate to the community of people who enjoy this music, and that gets in the way of my enjoyment of it.\n\nThe same logic can be applied to classical music. Many people hear composers as disparate as Bach, Beethoven, and Debussy, and their minds immediately go to conservative old white people. Historically, the kind of people who enjoy classical music have the stereotype of not being sexy or hip. That's just not a community people want to identify with. I've seen a plethora of youtube videos that even call classical music racist. As outrageous as it might seem, many people are buying into that idea, and that makes them hesitant to embrace this kind of music. \nWhen it comes down to it, contemporary culture imposes the idea of music onto the public in ways that keep them from genuinely enjoying classical music. You have to re-conceptualize your idea of music in order to bring the expectations required to find this music enjoyable. To be fair, much of this music was written for people who were educated in the appreciation of culture and the arts. These kinds of people knew what to listen for and knew what assumptions to make when listening to something titled \"fugue\" or \"rondo\". \nNot saying it's a bad thing that this kind of audience doesn't really exist in large numbers anymore, but it's unfortunate that so many people are quick to call that kind informed listening \"snobbery\".",
">\n\nWell said. The domination of pop music is stifling to the understanding of Classical. The delivery system of streaming services doesn't help. Everything is a \"song\" now.",
">\n\nBelieve me when I say I listen to classical. Do I do it often tho? No",
">\n\n\"I do something\" and 'I'm a total devoted / obsessed fanboy\" isn't the same thing.\nThis is gatekeeping.",
">\n\nI’m talking about the people who pretend they are devoted to it. Ik people can enjoy something but not obsessive over it",
">\n\nThe best way to enjoy classical music is to hear it live. I go to concerts a few times a year, but yeah listening to it all the time? I have a playlist but it aint my most played.",
">\n\nI find it hard to believe for someone that doesn't play any classical instrument, but for people who do I can believe it. It's a lot easier to develop an appreciation for classical music when you play classical instruments or study music.",
">\n\nLmao, Canon in D is a meme among classical musicians and listeners. If you think that all classical music is like that, it's no wonder you can't believe anyone would enjoy listening to it.",
">\n\nIt made the OP lose all credibility beyond the already shit opinion to begin with.",
">\n\nDumb take.",
">\n\nI was listening to Beethoven and Schubert like crazy at 15. Ironically, I stopped listening after 18/19 but will still sometimes go back. I even acquired a taste for Chopin, Mozart, Vivaldi, and Liszt during those years.",
">\n\nMe and my younger sibling often listen to classical FM when we drive. Most of my youtube follows are classical musicians as well, and yet I don't play an instrument. It's a valid genre.",
">\n\nA NY classical station had a fund drive many years ago. They said if enough people pledged in the next hour, they would not play the Canon in D.",
">\n\nI do every now and then. If it's not reggae it's classical. I'm a firm believer that music has an effect on you and I've noticed these 2 always mellow me out",
">\n\nHonestly it calms us down when we listen. I can't listen to loud crap anymore. I'm 40 for the record. Also, we've gotten our kids used to listening to it while they do their homework. It calls them down too and gets them to focus",
">\n\nWell, I got Bach to Black Sabbath, Debussy to Daft Punk, Tansen (look him up) to Tender, and a whole lotta other things on my list. My playlist contains music of different era/decades, genres, and languages. I understand/speak 5 languages. Depending on my mood, I blast whatever the hell I want, and it doesnt really matter what anyone thinks about it or belives it or not lol \n(\"Science teacher\" 🙄🙄🙄 Buddy, I listened to Mozart while painting when I was in high school). People dont ALWAYS do the things they're into. I don't draw/paint/hike/shoot photos/travel/listen to my fav music/read books/stargaze/make or build stuff etc everyday :/ It doesnt mean I'm not into them. I'm an Administrator by profession, and it means jackshit in this regard, because one's job title/profession isnt who they are as a person, it's not their personality, and it has little to do with everything they enjoy/are interested in in their personal life.",
">\n\nI don't think there's any need to doubt someone who lists classic music among their interests, just because you've observed the fairly obvious, that this category of music is engaged with differently than pop music and other rarely all-instrumental genres.\nWhile I have absolutely driven down the street with classical music on blast, what I'm not doing in that situation is singing along with it. For, again, obvious reasons. And because \"kill the wabbit, kill the wabbit\" really only fits that one piece of music. And because I can't hit those opera notes.\nAnd can I rattle off my favorite pieces Mozart wrote, by opus and movement? No, I'd have to go to my playlist for that. So knowing that I would be put on the spot, here, I wouldn't similarly interrogate someone else who expresses a fondness for classic music. Doesn't mean they're favorites any less than Love Is The Drug by Roxy Music or House of the Rising Sun by The Animals.\nSymphonies have their slower movements, which can almost disappear into environmental noise, and operas have their sections that are exposition or conversation put to music. I can generally only put one on, rather than a curated playlist of the crowd-pleasing moments, when I'm in a very particular headspace.\nReally, I think classical music is just an overly broad term.\nSome of my favorite tracks that music services lump together as part of the genre are works meant to replicate the jovial arrangements that might have been played at court for festivals in the Middle Ages, which I got into when playing Europa Universalis 1 & 2.\nAnd these are nothing like the music of the Baroque era, and later the Romantic period, and even later works by artists recording new orchestral music in the 20th century. Let alone contemporary flamenco guitar pieces from Spain. Even before widening our scope beyond Europe to what is generally, again, lumped together as World Music.\nIt all makes for a very imposing \"genre\" to approach and identify with, and I respect someone who makes an effort. Either because they like the challenge it represents to engage with beyond a \"Classical Music At The Movies\" compilation, or because without any kind of grounding in musical theory, they nevertheless can appreciate, as audiences have for centuries, really well written and conducted orchestral pieces, or the stripped-down chamber music versions of the same.",
">\n\nYou clearly haven’t met my cats. They listen to jazz and classical… although the romance period is a bit to energetic. They prefer contemporary or classical for focus/relaxation.",
">\n\nThey sound cool asf",
">\n\nEver since the pandemic I’ve only been listening to Classical Japanese music. I particularly like the jiuta songs. I have no idea what’s going on anymore with current music. I’m sure at some point that will change but for now it is what it is.",
">\n\nwasaait, what's wrong with reading? it's mid January, I'm finishing my second book already\ndude wtf? it's not even an opinion, don't judge people by your low standards",
">\n\n100% agree. I was this guy at 15. I only listened to the most technical of death metal bands and classical because my taste in music was so refined and superior to all the sheep around me listening to their bubble gum pop and hip hop. Fuckin cringe lookin back at that time in my life. And guess how much classical I actually listened to? basically none.",
">\n\nThis is exactly what I’m talking about!",
">\n\nWhat era are you defining as “classical”? Because it’s not a monolith or single era. What people call “classical” music falls under one of several era/genre umbrellas: Baroque, Rococo, Neoclassic, etc.",
">\n\nWym 'baroque'? It's just an umbrella term, do you mean italian baroque, german baroque, french baroque, spanish baroque or english baroque? Or are you going to tell me that there are people who REALLY think Purcell and Zelenka sound the same??\nYeah, let's stick to 'classic' for OP's discussion",
">\n\nAre there a lot of 15 year olds claiming to love classical music? Is this like... a real problem?\nAlso, who gives a fuck if people say they like classical music? What does that have to do with you? If a 15 year old tells you they like classical matter, your opinion on the matter means absolutely nothing.",
">\n\nAt the end of the day I’m just saying that don’t pretended to be someone else. Just be honest with yourself. And if you genuinely like classical and you’re not the demographic that I would assume like it then this post does not apply to you."
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Like I mentioned. That’s just my perception. Obviously I’m open to be proven wrong.
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"What does being a science teacher have to do with it?",
">\n\nOP is an idiot 😂",
">\n\nCorrect answer. OP knows nothing about science or classical music so presumes they are related.",
">\n\nI think the problem is when someone says they like doing something, most people think that means they’re always doing it or doing it hard, or like you, they think people need to be blasting music out of their car for 5 hours straight. I’m not always listening to my favorite music or favorite genres and songs. I like classical music and listen to it but I’m not playing it every day or even every week. I love snowboarding but I don’t go every week or spend a whole weekend snowboarding. I have a lot of favorites, too 3s and things I love doing that I haven’t actively engaged with for years",
">\n\nI know what you mean. I’m not talking about the people that do it occasionally and say they like it. Like I like ice skating. But I maybe do it a few times a year. But I wouldn’t say it’s a main hobby or anything.\nI’m talking about the people who insist they listen to classical music like crazy. Like it’s in their top 3 favorite genres.",
">\n\nTrue, I guess maybe if they constantly post about it, I do know a guy who does this with jazz music, he insists that he’s a huge jazz fanatic and constantly posts about it on social media. The way he posts about makes me assume he’s not as crazy about it as he really is, I used to be close to him too, I know for sure he’s never gone to a jazz concert or event. So from that angle I do get you. \nBut I would probably put classical in my top 3, but can’t say I can easily name tracks or tunes. I just prefer the sound overall. I don’t think putting something in your top 3 means you have to be all about that life though.",
">\n\nIm in my mid 30s and I sure do. It relaxes me a lot.",
">\n\nIt’s one of the most popular genres of music in the world and has been around for 100s of years. Maybe you should give it a try instead of whatever you’re attempting with this post.\nPS I blast Canon in D in my car.\nPPS I am not a science teacher.",
">\n\n\nPS I blast Canon in D in my car.\n\ncellists' rage intensifies",
">\n\nHave you missed Two set violin? They pretty much made classical music cool again.",
">\n\nEngineer here. Classical was my second most listened to genre on Spotify. Classic rock, classical, blues. My teen daughter also loves the same genres. Will say it trends more towards modern composers like Hans Zimmer, John Williams and such but occasionally Holst, Mendelssohn, etc. And yes, will even listen to such in the car.",
">\n\nHolst is one of my favorites! I love The Planets.",
">\n\nThe planets are incredible. Jupiter is one of the best pieces of music I have ever played. And Mars and Jupiter are so fun to listen to",
">\n\nI do. The songs have a complexity and a cadence to them that modern music lacks.\nI like modern music too, but classical is different in a way that is good. Bach songs remind me of spring.\nI wish modern musicians would make classical style music. I feel a lot of genres, especially trance and techno, would benefit a lot from it.",
">\n\nI am a former professional classical musician. I have my BS and have even published a book. The problem is:\n\nThe public's concept of music is shaped almost entirely by modern (post-1960's) popular music. The expectations they bring to music is shaped almost entirely by hip-hop/rock/pop. For the most part, and I know this is a generalization, this is music that is 3 to 5 minutes long, doesn't change key, is built almost entirely by repeating the same 3-4 phrases, and has lyrics. Most of the public just doesn't have the patience for an 8 to 10 minute movement of a sonata/symphony that might not even repeat a musical idea more than once, that is entirely instrumental. Indeed, it took me a long time to enjoy listening to classical music, because I just wasn't used to giving music that much of my attention span. \n\nWhen it comes down to it, most classical music, as well as most highbrow music from around the world, asks a lot out of the listener. The majority of people just aren't used to paying close attention for long periods of time. I think this is understandable. Just don't tell me how much you love Tchaikovsky after you turn him off after 3 minutes. \n\nThis one is going to be controversial, but in my experience, its true. People tend to associate music with stereotypes. Even I am guilty of this. I am often hesitant to embrace EDM because I picture rave kids with pacifiers and glow sticks. Not judging you if that's your thing, but that's something I don't want to be associated with. I know that's a stereotype and I'm sure there's many different fashion choices people make when attending EDM events, but I just don't relate to the community of people who enjoy this music, and that gets in the way of my enjoyment of it.\n\nThe same logic can be applied to classical music. Many people hear composers as disparate as Bach, Beethoven, and Debussy, and their minds immediately go to conservative old white people. Historically, the kind of people who enjoy classical music have the stereotype of not being sexy or hip. That's just not a community people want to identify with. I've seen a plethora of youtube videos that even call classical music racist. As outrageous as it might seem, many people are buying into that idea, and that makes them hesitant to embrace this kind of music. \nWhen it comes down to it, contemporary culture imposes the idea of music onto the public in ways that keep them from genuinely enjoying classical music. You have to re-conceptualize your idea of music in order to bring the expectations required to find this music enjoyable. To be fair, much of this music was written for people who were educated in the appreciation of culture and the arts. These kinds of people knew what to listen for and knew what assumptions to make when listening to something titled \"fugue\" or \"rondo\". \nNot saying it's a bad thing that this kind of audience doesn't really exist in large numbers anymore, but it's unfortunate that so many people are quick to call that kind informed listening \"snobbery\".",
">\n\nWell said. The domination of pop music is stifling to the understanding of Classical. The delivery system of streaming services doesn't help. Everything is a \"song\" now.",
">\n\nBelieve me when I say I listen to classical. Do I do it often tho? No",
">\n\n\"I do something\" and 'I'm a total devoted / obsessed fanboy\" isn't the same thing.\nThis is gatekeeping.",
">\n\nI’m talking about the people who pretend they are devoted to it. Ik people can enjoy something but not obsessive over it",
">\n\nThe best way to enjoy classical music is to hear it live. I go to concerts a few times a year, but yeah listening to it all the time? I have a playlist but it aint my most played.",
">\n\nI find it hard to believe for someone that doesn't play any classical instrument, but for people who do I can believe it. It's a lot easier to develop an appreciation for classical music when you play classical instruments or study music.",
">\n\nLmao, Canon in D is a meme among classical musicians and listeners. If you think that all classical music is like that, it's no wonder you can't believe anyone would enjoy listening to it.",
">\n\nIt made the OP lose all credibility beyond the already shit opinion to begin with.",
">\n\nDumb take.",
">\n\nI was listening to Beethoven and Schubert like crazy at 15. Ironically, I stopped listening after 18/19 but will still sometimes go back. I even acquired a taste for Chopin, Mozart, Vivaldi, and Liszt during those years.",
">\n\nMe and my younger sibling often listen to classical FM when we drive. Most of my youtube follows are classical musicians as well, and yet I don't play an instrument. It's a valid genre.",
">\n\nA NY classical station had a fund drive many years ago. They said if enough people pledged in the next hour, they would not play the Canon in D.",
">\n\nI do every now and then. If it's not reggae it's classical. I'm a firm believer that music has an effect on you and I've noticed these 2 always mellow me out",
">\n\nHonestly it calms us down when we listen. I can't listen to loud crap anymore. I'm 40 for the record. Also, we've gotten our kids used to listening to it while they do their homework. It calls them down too and gets them to focus",
">\n\nWell, I got Bach to Black Sabbath, Debussy to Daft Punk, Tansen (look him up) to Tender, and a whole lotta other things on my list. My playlist contains music of different era/decades, genres, and languages. I understand/speak 5 languages. Depending on my mood, I blast whatever the hell I want, and it doesnt really matter what anyone thinks about it or belives it or not lol \n(\"Science teacher\" 🙄🙄🙄 Buddy, I listened to Mozart while painting when I was in high school). People dont ALWAYS do the things they're into. I don't draw/paint/hike/shoot photos/travel/listen to my fav music/read books/stargaze/make or build stuff etc everyday :/ It doesnt mean I'm not into them. I'm an Administrator by profession, and it means jackshit in this regard, because one's job title/profession isnt who they are as a person, it's not their personality, and it has little to do with everything they enjoy/are interested in in their personal life.",
">\n\nI don't think there's any need to doubt someone who lists classic music among their interests, just because you've observed the fairly obvious, that this category of music is engaged with differently than pop music and other rarely all-instrumental genres.\nWhile I have absolutely driven down the street with classical music on blast, what I'm not doing in that situation is singing along with it. For, again, obvious reasons. And because \"kill the wabbit, kill the wabbit\" really only fits that one piece of music. And because I can't hit those opera notes.\nAnd can I rattle off my favorite pieces Mozart wrote, by opus and movement? No, I'd have to go to my playlist for that. So knowing that I would be put on the spot, here, I wouldn't similarly interrogate someone else who expresses a fondness for classic music. Doesn't mean they're favorites any less than Love Is The Drug by Roxy Music or House of the Rising Sun by The Animals.\nSymphonies have their slower movements, which can almost disappear into environmental noise, and operas have their sections that are exposition or conversation put to music. I can generally only put one on, rather than a curated playlist of the crowd-pleasing moments, when I'm in a very particular headspace.\nReally, I think classical music is just an overly broad term.\nSome of my favorite tracks that music services lump together as part of the genre are works meant to replicate the jovial arrangements that might have been played at court for festivals in the Middle Ages, which I got into when playing Europa Universalis 1 & 2.\nAnd these are nothing like the music of the Baroque era, and later the Romantic period, and even later works by artists recording new orchestral music in the 20th century. Let alone contemporary flamenco guitar pieces from Spain. Even before widening our scope beyond Europe to what is generally, again, lumped together as World Music.\nIt all makes for a very imposing \"genre\" to approach and identify with, and I respect someone who makes an effort. Either because they like the challenge it represents to engage with beyond a \"Classical Music At The Movies\" compilation, or because without any kind of grounding in musical theory, they nevertheless can appreciate, as audiences have for centuries, really well written and conducted orchestral pieces, or the stripped-down chamber music versions of the same.",
">\n\nYou clearly haven’t met my cats. They listen to jazz and classical… although the romance period is a bit to energetic. They prefer contemporary or classical for focus/relaxation.",
">\n\nThey sound cool asf",
">\n\nEver since the pandemic I’ve only been listening to Classical Japanese music. I particularly like the jiuta songs. I have no idea what’s going on anymore with current music. I’m sure at some point that will change but for now it is what it is.",
">\n\nwasaait, what's wrong with reading? it's mid January, I'm finishing my second book already\ndude wtf? it's not even an opinion, don't judge people by your low standards",
">\n\n100% agree. I was this guy at 15. I only listened to the most technical of death metal bands and classical because my taste in music was so refined and superior to all the sheep around me listening to their bubble gum pop and hip hop. Fuckin cringe lookin back at that time in my life. And guess how much classical I actually listened to? basically none.",
">\n\nThis is exactly what I’m talking about!",
">\n\nWhat era are you defining as “classical”? Because it’s not a monolith or single era. What people call “classical” music falls under one of several era/genre umbrellas: Baroque, Rococo, Neoclassic, etc.",
">\n\nWym 'baroque'? It's just an umbrella term, do you mean italian baroque, german baroque, french baroque, spanish baroque or english baroque? Or are you going to tell me that there are people who REALLY think Purcell and Zelenka sound the same??\nYeah, let's stick to 'classic' for OP's discussion",
">\n\nAre there a lot of 15 year olds claiming to love classical music? Is this like... a real problem?\nAlso, who gives a fuck if people say they like classical music? What does that have to do with you? If a 15 year old tells you they like classical matter, your opinion on the matter means absolutely nothing.",
">\n\nAt the end of the day I’m just saying that don’t pretended to be someone else. Just be honest with yourself. And if you genuinely like classical and you’re not the demographic that I would assume like it then this post does not apply to you.",
">\n\nThis post applies to no one because you have no idea if people actually like classical or not, that's my point. There's no demographic."
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Prove to me how you know someone is enough of a fan of classical music to pass your arbitrary and meaningless standards, oh gatekeeper of Mozart, defender of Bach.
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"What does being a science teacher have to do with it?",
">\n\nOP is an idiot 😂",
">\n\nCorrect answer. OP knows nothing about science or classical music so presumes they are related.",
">\n\nI think the problem is when someone says they like doing something, most people think that means they’re always doing it or doing it hard, or like you, they think people need to be blasting music out of their car for 5 hours straight. I’m not always listening to my favorite music or favorite genres and songs. I like classical music and listen to it but I’m not playing it every day or even every week. I love snowboarding but I don’t go every week or spend a whole weekend snowboarding. I have a lot of favorites, too 3s and things I love doing that I haven’t actively engaged with for years",
">\n\nI know what you mean. I’m not talking about the people that do it occasionally and say they like it. Like I like ice skating. But I maybe do it a few times a year. But I wouldn’t say it’s a main hobby or anything.\nI’m talking about the people who insist they listen to classical music like crazy. Like it’s in their top 3 favorite genres.",
">\n\nTrue, I guess maybe if they constantly post about it, I do know a guy who does this with jazz music, he insists that he’s a huge jazz fanatic and constantly posts about it on social media. The way he posts about makes me assume he’s not as crazy about it as he really is, I used to be close to him too, I know for sure he’s never gone to a jazz concert or event. So from that angle I do get you. \nBut I would probably put classical in my top 3, but can’t say I can easily name tracks or tunes. I just prefer the sound overall. I don’t think putting something in your top 3 means you have to be all about that life though.",
">\n\nIm in my mid 30s and I sure do. It relaxes me a lot.",
">\n\nIt’s one of the most popular genres of music in the world and has been around for 100s of years. Maybe you should give it a try instead of whatever you’re attempting with this post.\nPS I blast Canon in D in my car.\nPPS I am not a science teacher.",
">\n\n\nPS I blast Canon in D in my car.\n\ncellists' rage intensifies",
">\n\nHave you missed Two set violin? They pretty much made classical music cool again.",
">\n\nEngineer here. Classical was my second most listened to genre on Spotify. Classic rock, classical, blues. My teen daughter also loves the same genres. Will say it trends more towards modern composers like Hans Zimmer, John Williams and such but occasionally Holst, Mendelssohn, etc. And yes, will even listen to such in the car.",
">\n\nHolst is one of my favorites! I love The Planets.",
">\n\nThe planets are incredible. Jupiter is one of the best pieces of music I have ever played. And Mars and Jupiter are so fun to listen to",
">\n\nI do. The songs have a complexity and a cadence to them that modern music lacks.\nI like modern music too, but classical is different in a way that is good. Bach songs remind me of spring.\nI wish modern musicians would make classical style music. I feel a lot of genres, especially trance and techno, would benefit a lot from it.",
">\n\nI am a former professional classical musician. I have my BS and have even published a book. The problem is:\n\nThe public's concept of music is shaped almost entirely by modern (post-1960's) popular music. The expectations they bring to music is shaped almost entirely by hip-hop/rock/pop. For the most part, and I know this is a generalization, this is music that is 3 to 5 minutes long, doesn't change key, is built almost entirely by repeating the same 3-4 phrases, and has lyrics. Most of the public just doesn't have the patience for an 8 to 10 minute movement of a sonata/symphony that might not even repeat a musical idea more than once, that is entirely instrumental. Indeed, it took me a long time to enjoy listening to classical music, because I just wasn't used to giving music that much of my attention span. \n\nWhen it comes down to it, most classical music, as well as most highbrow music from around the world, asks a lot out of the listener. The majority of people just aren't used to paying close attention for long periods of time. I think this is understandable. Just don't tell me how much you love Tchaikovsky after you turn him off after 3 minutes. \n\nThis one is going to be controversial, but in my experience, its true. People tend to associate music with stereotypes. Even I am guilty of this. I am often hesitant to embrace EDM because I picture rave kids with pacifiers and glow sticks. Not judging you if that's your thing, but that's something I don't want to be associated with. I know that's a stereotype and I'm sure there's many different fashion choices people make when attending EDM events, but I just don't relate to the community of people who enjoy this music, and that gets in the way of my enjoyment of it.\n\nThe same logic can be applied to classical music. Many people hear composers as disparate as Bach, Beethoven, and Debussy, and their minds immediately go to conservative old white people. Historically, the kind of people who enjoy classical music have the stereotype of not being sexy or hip. That's just not a community people want to identify with. I've seen a plethora of youtube videos that even call classical music racist. As outrageous as it might seem, many people are buying into that idea, and that makes them hesitant to embrace this kind of music. \nWhen it comes down to it, contemporary culture imposes the idea of music onto the public in ways that keep them from genuinely enjoying classical music. You have to re-conceptualize your idea of music in order to bring the expectations required to find this music enjoyable. To be fair, much of this music was written for people who were educated in the appreciation of culture and the arts. These kinds of people knew what to listen for and knew what assumptions to make when listening to something titled \"fugue\" or \"rondo\". \nNot saying it's a bad thing that this kind of audience doesn't really exist in large numbers anymore, but it's unfortunate that so many people are quick to call that kind informed listening \"snobbery\".",
">\n\nWell said. The domination of pop music is stifling to the understanding of Classical. The delivery system of streaming services doesn't help. Everything is a \"song\" now.",
">\n\nBelieve me when I say I listen to classical. Do I do it often tho? No",
">\n\n\"I do something\" and 'I'm a total devoted / obsessed fanboy\" isn't the same thing.\nThis is gatekeeping.",
">\n\nI’m talking about the people who pretend they are devoted to it. Ik people can enjoy something but not obsessive over it",
">\n\nThe best way to enjoy classical music is to hear it live. I go to concerts a few times a year, but yeah listening to it all the time? I have a playlist but it aint my most played.",
">\n\nI find it hard to believe for someone that doesn't play any classical instrument, but for people who do I can believe it. It's a lot easier to develop an appreciation for classical music when you play classical instruments or study music.",
">\n\nLmao, Canon in D is a meme among classical musicians and listeners. If you think that all classical music is like that, it's no wonder you can't believe anyone would enjoy listening to it.",
">\n\nIt made the OP lose all credibility beyond the already shit opinion to begin with.",
">\n\nDumb take.",
">\n\nI was listening to Beethoven and Schubert like crazy at 15. Ironically, I stopped listening after 18/19 but will still sometimes go back. I even acquired a taste for Chopin, Mozart, Vivaldi, and Liszt during those years.",
">\n\nMe and my younger sibling often listen to classical FM when we drive. Most of my youtube follows are classical musicians as well, and yet I don't play an instrument. It's a valid genre.",
">\n\nA NY classical station had a fund drive many years ago. They said if enough people pledged in the next hour, they would not play the Canon in D.",
">\n\nI do every now and then. If it's not reggae it's classical. I'm a firm believer that music has an effect on you and I've noticed these 2 always mellow me out",
">\n\nHonestly it calms us down when we listen. I can't listen to loud crap anymore. I'm 40 for the record. Also, we've gotten our kids used to listening to it while they do their homework. It calls them down too and gets them to focus",
">\n\nWell, I got Bach to Black Sabbath, Debussy to Daft Punk, Tansen (look him up) to Tender, and a whole lotta other things on my list. My playlist contains music of different era/decades, genres, and languages. I understand/speak 5 languages. Depending on my mood, I blast whatever the hell I want, and it doesnt really matter what anyone thinks about it or belives it or not lol \n(\"Science teacher\" 🙄🙄🙄 Buddy, I listened to Mozart while painting when I was in high school). People dont ALWAYS do the things they're into. I don't draw/paint/hike/shoot photos/travel/listen to my fav music/read books/stargaze/make or build stuff etc everyday :/ It doesnt mean I'm not into them. I'm an Administrator by profession, and it means jackshit in this regard, because one's job title/profession isnt who they are as a person, it's not their personality, and it has little to do with everything they enjoy/are interested in in their personal life.",
">\n\nI don't think there's any need to doubt someone who lists classic music among their interests, just because you've observed the fairly obvious, that this category of music is engaged with differently than pop music and other rarely all-instrumental genres.\nWhile I have absolutely driven down the street with classical music on blast, what I'm not doing in that situation is singing along with it. For, again, obvious reasons. And because \"kill the wabbit, kill the wabbit\" really only fits that one piece of music. And because I can't hit those opera notes.\nAnd can I rattle off my favorite pieces Mozart wrote, by opus and movement? No, I'd have to go to my playlist for that. So knowing that I would be put on the spot, here, I wouldn't similarly interrogate someone else who expresses a fondness for classic music. Doesn't mean they're favorites any less than Love Is The Drug by Roxy Music or House of the Rising Sun by The Animals.\nSymphonies have their slower movements, which can almost disappear into environmental noise, and operas have their sections that are exposition or conversation put to music. I can generally only put one on, rather than a curated playlist of the crowd-pleasing moments, when I'm in a very particular headspace.\nReally, I think classical music is just an overly broad term.\nSome of my favorite tracks that music services lump together as part of the genre are works meant to replicate the jovial arrangements that might have been played at court for festivals in the Middle Ages, which I got into when playing Europa Universalis 1 & 2.\nAnd these are nothing like the music of the Baroque era, and later the Romantic period, and even later works by artists recording new orchestral music in the 20th century. Let alone contemporary flamenco guitar pieces from Spain. Even before widening our scope beyond Europe to what is generally, again, lumped together as World Music.\nIt all makes for a very imposing \"genre\" to approach and identify with, and I respect someone who makes an effort. Either because they like the challenge it represents to engage with beyond a \"Classical Music At The Movies\" compilation, or because without any kind of grounding in musical theory, they nevertheless can appreciate, as audiences have for centuries, really well written and conducted orchestral pieces, or the stripped-down chamber music versions of the same.",
">\n\nYou clearly haven’t met my cats. They listen to jazz and classical… although the romance period is a bit to energetic. They prefer contemporary or classical for focus/relaxation.",
">\n\nThey sound cool asf",
">\n\nEver since the pandemic I’ve only been listening to Classical Japanese music. I particularly like the jiuta songs. I have no idea what’s going on anymore with current music. I’m sure at some point that will change but for now it is what it is.",
">\n\nwasaait, what's wrong with reading? it's mid January, I'm finishing my second book already\ndude wtf? it's not even an opinion, don't judge people by your low standards",
">\n\n100% agree. I was this guy at 15. I only listened to the most technical of death metal bands and classical because my taste in music was so refined and superior to all the sheep around me listening to their bubble gum pop and hip hop. Fuckin cringe lookin back at that time in my life. And guess how much classical I actually listened to? basically none.",
">\n\nThis is exactly what I’m talking about!",
">\n\nWhat era are you defining as “classical”? Because it’s not a monolith or single era. What people call “classical” music falls under one of several era/genre umbrellas: Baroque, Rococo, Neoclassic, etc.",
">\n\nWym 'baroque'? It's just an umbrella term, do you mean italian baroque, german baroque, french baroque, spanish baroque or english baroque? Or are you going to tell me that there are people who REALLY think Purcell and Zelenka sound the same??\nYeah, let's stick to 'classic' for OP's discussion",
">\n\nAre there a lot of 15 year olds claiming to love classical music? Is this like... a real problem?\nAlso, who gives a fuck if people say they like classical music? What does that have to do with you? If a 15 year old tells you they like classical matter, your opinion on the matter means absolutely nothing.",
">\n\nAt the end of the day I’m just saying that don’t pretended to be someone else. Just be honest with yourself. And if you genuinely like classical and you’re not the demographic that I would assume like it then this post does not apply to you.",
">\n\nThis post applies to no one because you have no idea if people actually like classical or not, that's my point. There's no demographic.",
">\n\nLike I mentioned. That’s just my perception. Obviously I’m open to be proven wrong."
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First impression* that’s what I meant. Not perception. Whoops. I feel like you’re taking this personally man. It’s not that serious.
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"What does being a science teacher have to do with it?",
">\n\nOP is an idiot 😂",
">\n\nCorrect answer. OP knows nothing about science or classical music so presumes they are related.",
">\n\nI think the problem is when someone says they like doing something, most people think that means they’re always doing it or doing it hard, or like you, they think people need to be blasting music out of their car for 5 hours straight. I’m not always listening to my favorite music or favorite genres and songs. I like classical music and listen to it but I’m not playing it every day or even every week. I love snowboarding but I don’t go every week or spend a whole weekend snowboarding. I have a lot of favorites, too 3s and things I love doing that I haven’t actively engaged with for years",
">\n\nI know what you mean. I’m not talking about the people that do it occasionally and say they like it. Like I like ice skating. But I maybe do it a few times a year. But I wouldn’t say it’s a main hobby or anything.\nI’m talking about the people who insist they listen to classical music like crazy. Like it’s in their top 3 favorite genres.",
">\n\nTrue, I guess maybe if they constantly post about it, I do know a guy who does this with jazz music, he insists that he’s a huge jazz fanatic and constantly posts about it on social media. The way he posts about makes me assume he’s not as crazy about it as he really is, I used to be close to him too, I know for sure he’s never gone to a jazz concert or event. So from that angle I do get you. \nBut I would probably put classical in my top 3, but can’t say I can easily name tracks or tunes. I just prefer the sound overall. I don’t think putting something in your top 3 means you have to be all about that life though.",
">\n\nIm in my mid 30s and I sure do. It relaxes me a lot.",
">\n\nIt’s one of the most popular genres of music in the world and has been around for 100s of years. Maybe you should give it a try instead of whatever you’re attempting with this post.\nPS I blast Canon in D in my car.\nPPS I am not a science teacher.",
">\n\n\nPS I blast Canon in D in my car.\n\ncellists' rage intensifies",
">\n\nHave you missed Two set violin? They pretty much made classical music cool again.",
">\n\nEngineer here. Classical was my second most listened to genre on Spotify. Classic rock, classical, blues. My teen daughter also loves the same genres. Will say it trends more towards modern composers like Hans Zimmer, John Williams and such but occasionally Holst, Mendelssohn, etc. And yes, will even listen to such in the car.",
">\n\nHolst is one of my favorites! I love The Planets.",
">\n\nThe planets are incredible. Jupiter is one of the best pieces of music I have ever played. And Mars and Jupiter are so fun to listen to",
">\n\nI do. The songs have a complexity and a cadence to them that modern music lacks.\nI like modern music too, but classical is different in a way that is good. Bach songs remind me of spring.\nI wish modern musicians would make classical style music. I feel a lot of genres, especially trance and techno, would benefit a lot from it.",
">\n\nI am a former professional classical musician. I have my BS and have even published a book. The problem is:\n\nThe public's concept of music is shaped almost entirely by modern (post-1960's) popular music. The expectations they bring to music is shaped almost entirely by hip-hop/rock/pop. For the most part, and I know this is a generalization, this is music that is 3 to 5 minutes long, doesn't change key, is built almost entirely by repeating the same 3-4 phrases, and has lyrics. Most of the public just doesn't have the patience for an 8 to 10 minute movement of a sonata/symphony that might not even repeat a musical idea more than once, that is entirely instrumental. Indeed, it took me a long time to enjoy listening to classical music, because I just wasn't used to giving music that much of my attention span. \n\nWhen it comes down to it, most classical music, as well as most highbrow music from around the world, asks a lot out of the listener. The majority of people just aren't used to paying close attention for long periods of time. I think this is understandable. Just don't tell me how much you love Tchaikovsky after you turn him off after 3 minutes. \n\nThis one is going to be controversial, but in my experience, its true. People tend to associate music with stereotypes. Even I am guilty of this. I am often hesitant to embrace EDM because I picture rave kids with pacifiers and glow sticks. Not judging you if that's your thing, but that's something I don't want to be associated with. I know that's a stereotype and I'm sure there's many different fashion choices people make when attending EDM events, but I just don't relate to the community of people who enjoy this music, and that gets in the way of my enjoyment of it.\n\nThe same logic can be applied to classical music. Many people hear composers as disparate as Bach, Beethoven, and Debussy, and their minds immediately go to conservative old white people. Historically, the kind of people who enjoy classical music have the stereotype of not being sexy or hip. That's just not a community people want to identify with. I've seen a plethora of youtube videos that even call classical music racist. As outrageous as it might seem, many people are buying into that idea, and that makes them hesitant to embrace this kind of music. \nWhen it comes down to it, contemporary culture imposes the idea of music onto the public in ways that keep them from genuinely enjoying classical music. You have to re-conceptualize your idea of music in order to bring the expectations required to find this music enjoyable. To be fair, much of this music was written for people who were educated in the appreciation of culture and the arts. These kinds of people knew what to listen for and knew what assumptions to make when listening to something titled \"fugue\" or \"rondo\". \nNot saying it's a bad thing that this kind of audience doesn't really exist in large numbers anymore, but it's unfortunate that so many people are quick to call that kind informed listening \"snobbery\".",
">\n\nWell said. The domination of pop music is stifling to the understanding of Classical. The delivery system of streaming services doesn't help. Everything is a \"song\" now.",
">\n\nBelieve me when I say I listen to classical. Do I do it often tho? No",
">\n\n\"I do something\" and 'I'm a total devoted / obsessed fanboy\" isn't the same thing.\nThis is gatekeeping.",
">\n\nI’m talking about the people who pretend they are devoted to it. Ik people can enjoy something but not obsessive over it",
">\n\nThe best way to enjoy classical music is to hear it live. I go to concerts a few times a year, but yeah listening to it all the time? I have a playlist but it aint my most played.",
">\n\nI find it hard to believe for someone that doesn't play any classical instrument, but for people who do I can believe it. It's a lot easier to develop an appreciation for classical music when you play classical instruments or study music.",
">\n\nLmao, Canon in D is a meme among classical musicians and listeners. If you think that all classical music is like that, it's no wonder you can't believe anyone would enjoy listening to it.",
">\n\nIt made the OP lose all credibility beyond the already shit opinion to begin with.",
">\n\nDumb take.",
">\n\nI was listening to Beethoven and Schubert like crazy at 15. Ironically, I stopped listening after 18/19 but will still sometimes go back. I even acquired a taste for Chopin, Mozart, Vivaldi, and Liszt during those years.",
">\n\nMe and my younger sibling often listen to classical FM when we drive. Most of my youtube follows are classical musicians as well, and yet I don't play an instrument. It's a valid genre.",
">\n\nA NY classical station had a fund drive many years ago. They said if enough people pledged in the next hour, they would not play the Canon in D.",
">\n\nI do every now and then. If it's not reggae it's classical. I'm a firm believer that music has an effect on you and I've noticed these 2 always mellow me out",
">\n\nHonestly it calms us down when we listen. I can't listen to loud crap anymore. I'm 40 for the record. Also, we've gotten our kids used to listening to it while they do their homework. It calls them down too and gets them to focus",
">\n\nWell, I got Bach to Black Sabbath, Debussy to Daft Punk, Tansen (look him up) to Tender, and a whole lotta other things on my list. My playlist contains music of different era/decades, genres, and languages. I understand/speak 5 languages. Depending on my mood, I blast whatever the hell I want, and it doesnt really matter what anyone thinks about it or belives it or not lol \n(\"Science teacher\" 🙄🙄🙄 Buddy, I listened to Mozart while painting when I was in high school). People dont ALWAYS do the things they're into. I don't draw/paint/hike/shoot photos/travel/listen to my fav music/read books/stargaze/make or build stuff etc everyday :/ It doesnt mean I'm not into them. I'm an Administrator by profession, and it means jackshit in this regard, because one's job title/profession isnt who they are as a person, it's not their personality, and it has little to do with everything they enjoy/are interested in in their personal life.",
">\n\nI don't think there's any need to doubt someone who lists classic music among their interests, just because you've observed the fairly obvious, that this category of music is engaged with differently than pop music and other rarely all-instrumental genres.\nWhile I have absolutely driven down the street with classical music on blast, what I'm not doing in that situation is singing along with it. For, again, obvious reasons. And because \"kill the wabbit, kill the wabbit\" really only fits that one piece of music. And because I can't hit those opera notes.\nAnd can I rattle off my favorite pieces Mozart wrote, by opus and movement? No, I'd have to go to my playlist for that. So knowing that I would be put on the spot, here, I wouldn't similarly interrogate someone else who expresses a fondness for classic music. Doesn't mean they're favorites any less than Love Is The Drug by Roxy Music or House of the Rising Sun by The Animals.\nSymphonies have their slower movements, which can almost disappear into environmental noise, and operas have their sections that are exposition or conversation put to music. I can generally only put one on, rather than a curated playlist of the crowd-pleasing moments, when I'm in a very particular headspace.\nReally, I think classical music is just an overly broad term.\nSome of my favorite tracks that music services lump together as part of the genre are works meant to replicate the jovial arrangements that might have been played at court for festivals in the Middle Ages, which I got into when playing Europa Universalis 1 & 2.\nAnd these are nothing like the music of the Baroque era, and later the Romantic period, and even later works by artists recording new orchestral music in the 20th century. Let alone contemporary flamenco guitar pieces from Spain. Even before widening our scope beyond Europe to what is generally, again, lumped together as World Music.\nIt all makes for a very imposing \"genre\" to approach and identify with, and I respect someone who makes an effort. Either because they like the challenge it represents to engage with beyond a \"Classical Music At The Movies\" compilation, or because without any kind of grounding in musical theory, they nevertheless can appreciate, as audiences have for centuries, really well written and conducted orchestral pieces, or the stripped-down chamber music versions of the same.",
">\n\nYou clearly haven’t met my cats. They listen to jazz and classical… although the romance period is a bit to energetic. They prefer contemporary or classical for focus/relaxation.",
">\n\nThey sound cool asf",
">\n\nEver since the pandemic I’ve only been listening to Classical Japanese music. I particularly like the jiuta songs. I have no idea what’s going on anymore with current music. I’m sure at some point that will change but for now it is what it is.",
">\n\nwasaait, what's wrong with reading? it's mid January, I'm finishing my second book already\ndude wtf? it's not even an opinion, don't judge people by your low standards",
">\n\n100% agree. I was this guy at 15. I only listened to the most technical of death metal bands and classical because my taste in music was so refined and superior to all the sheep around me listening to their bubble gum pop and hip hop. Fuckin cringe lookin back at that time in my life. And guess how much classical I actually listened to? basically none.",
">\n\nThis is exactly what I’m talking about!",
">\n\nWhat era are you defining as “classical”? Because it’s not a monolith or single era. What people call “classical” music falls under one of several era/genre umbrellas: Baroque, Rococo, Neoclassic, etc.",
">\n\nWym 'baroque'? It's just an umbrella term, do you mean italian baroque, german baroque, french baroque, spanish baroque or english baroque? Or are you going to tell me that there are people who REALLY think Purcell and Zelenka sound the same??\nYeah, let's stick to 'classic' for OP's discussion",
">\n\nAre there a lot of 15 year olds claiming to love classical music? Is this like... a real problem?\nAlso, who gives a fuck if people say they like classical music? What does that have to do with you? If a 15 year old tells you they like classical matter, your opinion on the matter means absolutely nothing.",
">\n\nAt the end of the day I’m just saying that don’t pretended to be someone else. Just be honest with yourself. And if you genuinely like classical and you’re not the demographic that I would assume like it then this post does not apply to you.",
">\n\nThis post applies to no one because you have no idea if people actually like classical or not, that's my point. There's no demographic.",
">\n\nLike I mentioned. That’s just my perception. Obviously I’m open to be proven wrong.",
">\n\nProve to me how you know someone is enough of a fan of classical music to pass your arbitrary and meaningless standards, oh gatekeeper of Mozart, defender of Bach."
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"What does being a science teacher have to do with it?",
">\n\nOP is an idiot 😂",
">\n\nCorrect answer. OP knows nothing about science or classical music so presumes they are related.",
">\n\nI think the problem is when someone says they like doing something, most people think that means they’re always doing it or doing it hard, or like you, they think people need to be blasting music out of their car for 5 hours straight. I’m not always listening to my favorite music or favorite genres and songs. I like classical music and listen to it but I’m not playing it every day or even every week. I love snowboarding but I don’t go every week or spend a whole weekend snowboarding. I have a lot of favorites, too 3s and things I love doing that I haven’t actively engaged with for years",
">\n\nI know what you mean. I’m not talking about the people that do it occasionally and say they like it. Like I like ice skating. But I maybe do it a few times a year. But I wouldn’t say it’s a main hobby or anything.\nI’m talking about the people who insist they listen to classical music like crazy. Like it’s in their top 3 favorite genres.",
">\n\nTrue, I guess maybe if they constantly post about it, I do know a guy who does this with jazz music, he insists that he’s a huge jazz fanatic and constantly posts about it on social media. The way he posts about makes me assume he’s not as crazy about it as he really is, I used to be close to him too, I know for sure he’s never gone to a jazz concert or event. So from that angle I do get you. \nBut I would probably put classical in my top 3, but can’t say I can easily name tracks or tunes. I just prefer the sound overall. I don’t think putting something in your top 3 means you have to be all about that life though.",
">\n\nIm in my mid 30s and I sure do. It relaxes me a lot.",
">\n\nIt’s one of the most popular genres of music in the world and has been around for 100s of years. Maybe you should give it a try instead of whatever you’re attempting with this post.\nPS I blast Canon in D in my car.\nPPS I am not a science teacher.",
">\n\n\nPS I blast Canon in D in my car.\n\ncellists' rage intensifies",
">\n\nHave you missed Two set violin? They pretty much made classical music cool again.",
">\n\nEngineer here. Classical was my second most listened to genre on Spotify. Classic rock, classical, blues. My teen daughter also loves the same genres. Will say it trends more towards modern composers like Hans Zimmer, John Williams and such but occasionally Holst, Mendelssohn, etc. And yes, will even listen to such in the car.",
">\n\nHolst is one of my favorites! I love The Planets.",
">\n\nThe planets are incredible. Jupiter is one of the best pieces of music I have ever played. And Mars and Jupiter are so fun to listen to",
">\n\nI do. The songs have a complexity and a cadence to them that modern music lacks.\nI like modern music too, but classical is different in a way that is good. Bach songs remind me of spring.\nI wish modern musicians would make classical style music. I feel a lot of genres, especially trance and techno, would benefit a lot from it.",
">\n\nI am a former professional classical musician. I have my BS and have even published a book. The problem is:\n\nThe public's concept of music is shaped almost entirely by modern (post-1960's) popular music. The expectations they bring to music is shaped almost entirely by hip-hop/rock/pop. For the most part, and I know this is a generalization, this is music that is 3 to 5 minutes long, doesn't change key, is built almost entirely by repeating the same 3-4 phrases, and has lyrics. Most of the public just doesn't have the patience for an 8 to 10 minute movement of a sonata/symphony that might not even repeat a musical idea more than once, that is entirely instrumental. Indeed, it took me a long time to enjoy listening to classical music, because I just wasn't used to giving music that much of my attention span. \n\nWhen it comes down to it, most classical music, as well as most highbrow music from around the world, asks a lot out of the listener. The majority of people just aren't used to paying close attention for long periods of time. I think this is understandable. Just don't tell me how much you love Tchaikovsky after you turn him off after 3 minutes. \n\nThis one is going to be controversial, but in my experience, its true. People tend to associate music with stereotypes. Even I am guilty of this. I am often hesitant to embrace EDM because I picture rave kids with pacifiers and glow sticks. Not judging you if that's your thing, but that's something I don't want to be associated with. I know that's a stereotype and I'm sure there's many different fashion choices people make when attending EDM events, but I just don't relate to the community of people who enjoy this music, and that gets in the way of my enjoyment of it.\n\nThe same logic can be applied to classical music. Many people hear composers as disparate as Bach, Beethoven, and Debussy, and their minds immediately go to conservative old white people. Historically, the kind of people who enjoy classical music have the stereotype of not being sexy or hip. That's just not a community people want to identify with. I've seen a plethora of youtube videos that even call classical music racist. As outrageous as it might seem, many people are buying into that idea, and that makes them hesitant to embrace this kind of music. \nWhen it comes down to it, contemporary culture imposes the idea of music onto the public in ways that keep them from genuinely enjoying classical music. You have to re-conceptualize your idea of music in order to bring the expectations required to find this music enjoyable. To be fair, much of this music was written for people who were educated in the appreciation of culture and the arts. These kinds of people knew what to listen for and knew what assumptions to make when listening to something titled \"fugue\" or \"rondo\". \nNot saying it's a bad thing that this kind of audience doesn't really exist in large numbers anymore, but it's unfortunate that so many people are quick to call that kind informed listening \"snobbery\".",
">\n\nWell said. The domination of pop music is stifling to the understanding of Classical. The delivery system of streaming services doesn't help. Everything is a \"song\" now.",
">\n\nBelieve me when I say I listen to classical. Do I do it often tho? No",
">\n\n\"I do something\" and 'I'm a total devoted / obsessed fanboy\" isn't the same thing.\nThis is gatekeeping.",
">\n\nI’m talking about the people who pretend they are devoted to it. Ik people can enjoy something but not obsessive over it",
">\n\nThe best way to enjoy classical music is to hear it live. I go to concerts a few times a year, but yeah listening to it all the time? I have a playlist but it aint my most played.",
">\n\nI find it hard to believe for someone that doesn't play any classical instrument, but for people who do I can believe it. It's a lot easier to develop an appreciation for classical music when you play classical instruments or study music.",
">\n\nLmao, Canon in D is a meme among classical musicians and listeners. If you think that all classical music is like that, it's no wonder you can't believe anyone would enjoy listening to it.",
">\n\nIt made the OP lose all credibility beyond the already shit opinion to begin with.",
">\n\nDumb take.",
">\n\nI was listening to Beethoven and Schubert like crazy at 15. Ironically, I stopped listening after 18/19 but will still sometimes go back. I even acquired a taste for Chopin, Mozart, Vivaldi, and Liszt during those years.",
">\n\nMe and my younger sibling often listen to classical FM when we drive. Most of my youtube follows are classical musicians as well, and yet I don't play an instrument. It's a valid genre.",
">\n\nA NY classical station had a fund drive many years ago. They said if enough people pledged in the next hour, they would not play the Canon in D.",
">\n\nI do every now and then. If it's not reggae it's classical. I'm a firm believer that music has an effect on you and I've noticed these 2 always mellow me out",
">\n\nHonestly it calms us down when we listen. I can't listen to loud crap anymore. I'm 40 for the record. Also, we've gotten our kids used to listening to it while they do their homework. It calls them down too and gets them to focus",
">\n\nWell, I got Bach to Black Sabbath, Debussy to Daft Punk, Tansen (look him up) to Tender, and a whole lotta other things on my list. My playlist contains music of different era/decades, genres, and languages. I understand/speak 5 languages. Depending on my mood, I blast whatever the hell I want, and it doesnt really matter what anyone thinks about it or belives it or not lol \n(\"Science teacher\" 🙄🙄🙄 Buddy, I listened to Mozart while painting when I was in high school). People dont ALWAYS do the things they're into. I don't draw/paint/hike/shoot photos/travel/listen to my fav music/read books/stargaze/make or build stuff etc everyday :/ It doesnt mean I'm not into them. I'm an Administrator by profession, and it means jackshit in this regard, because one's job title/profession isnt who they are as a person, it's not their personality, and it has little to do with everything they enjoy/are interested in in their personal life.",
">\n\nI don't think there's any need to doubt someone who lists classic music among their interests, just because you've observed the fairly obvious, that this category of music is engaged with differently than pop music and other rarely all-instrumental genres.\nWhile I have absolutely driven down the street with classical music on blast, what I'm not doing in that situation is singing along with it. For, again, obvious reasons. And because \"kill the wabbit, kill the wabbit\" really only fits that one piece of music. And because I can't hit those opera notes.\nAnd can I rattle off my favorite pieces Mozart wrote, by opus and movement? No, I'd have to go to my playlist for that. So knowing that I would be put on the spot, here, I wouldn't similarly interrogate someone else who expresses a fondness for classic music. Doesn't mean they're favorites any less than Love Is The Drug by Roxy Music or House of the Rising Sun by The Animals.\nSymphonies have their slower movements, which can almost disappear into environmental noise, and operas have their sections that are exposition or conversation put to music. I can generally only put one on, rather than a curated playlist of the crowd-pleasing moments, when I'm in a very particular headspace.\nReally, I think classical music is just an overly broad term.\nSome of my favorite tracks that music services lump together as part of the genre are works meant to replicate the jovial arrangements that might have been played at court for festivals in the Middle Ages, which I got into when playing Europa Universalis 1 & 2.\nAnd these are nothing like the music of the Baroque era, and later the Romantic period, and even later works by artists recording new orchestral music in the 20th century. Let alone contemporary flamenco guitar pieces from Spain. Even before widening our scope beyond Europe to what is generally, again, lumped together as World Music.\nIt all makes for a very imposing \"genre\" to approach and identify with, and I respect someone who makes an effort. Either because they like the challenge it represents to engage with beyond a \"Classical Music At The Movies\" compilation, or because without any kind of grounding in musical theory, they nevertheless can appreciate, as audiences have for centuries, really well written and conducted orchestral pieces, or the stripped-down chamber music versions of the same.",
">\n\nYou clearly haven’t met my cats. They listen to jazz and classical… although the romance period is a bit to energetic. They prefer contemporary or classical for focus/relaxation.",
">\n\nThey sound cool asf",
">\n\nEver since the pandemic I’ve only been listening to Classical Japanese music. I particularly like the jiuta songs. I have no idea what’s going on anymore with current music. I’m sure at some point that will change but for now it is what it is.",
">\n\nwasaait, what's wrong with reading? it's mid January, I'm finishing my second book already\ndude wtf? it's not even an opinion, don't judge people by your low standards",
">\n\n100% agree. I was this guy at 15. I only listened to the most technical of death metal bands and classical because my taste in music was so refined and superior to all the sheep around me listening to their bubble gum pop and hip hop. Fuckin cringe lookin back at that time in my life. And guess how much classical I actually listened to? basically none.",
">\n\nThis is exactly what I’m talking about!",
">\n\nWhat era are you defining as “classical”? Because it’s not a monolith or single era. What people call “classical” music falls under one of several era/genre umbrellas: Baroque, Rococo, Neoclassic, etc.",
">\n\nWym 'baroque'? It's just an umbrella term, do you mean italian baroque, german baroque, french baroque, spanish baroque or english baroque? Or are you going to tell me that there are people who REALLY think Purcell and Zelenka sound the same??\nYeah, let's stick to 'classic' for OP's discussion",
">\n\nAre there a lot of 15 year olds claiming to love classical music? Is this like... a real problem?\nAlso, who gives a fuck if people say they like classical music? What does that have to do with you? If a 15 year old tells you they like classical matter, your opinion on the matter means absolutely nothing.",
">\n\nAt the end of the day I’m just saying that don’t pretended to be someone else. Just be honest with yourself. And if you genuinely like classical and you’re not the demographic that I would assume like it then this post does not apply to you.",
">\n\nThis post applies to no one because you have no idea if people actually like classical or not, that's my point. There's no demographic.",
">\n\nLike I mentioned. That’s just my perception. Obviously I’m open to be proven wrong.",
">\n\nProve to me how you know someone is enough of a fan of classical music to pass your arbitrary and meaningless standards, oh gatekeeper of Mozart, defender of Bach.",
">\n\nFirst impression* that’s what I meant. Not perception. Whoops. I feel like you’re taking this personally man. It’s not that serious."
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Soon 80s will be Classic.
They are already timeless
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"What does being a science teacher have to do with it?",
">\n\nOP is an idiot 😂",
">\n\nCorrect answer. OP knows nothing about science or classical music so presumes they are related.",
">\n\nI think the problem is when someone says they like doing something, most people think that means they’re always doing it or doing it hard, or like you, they think people need to be blasting music out of their car for 5 hours straight. I’m not always listening to my favorite music or favorite genres and songs. I like classical music and listen to it but I’m not playing it every day or even every week. I love snowboarding but I don’t go every week or spend a whole weekend snowboarding. I have a lot of favorites, too 3s and things I love doing that I haven’t actively engaged with for years",
">\n\nI know what you mean. I’m not talking about the people that do it occasionally and say they like it. Like I like ice skating. But I maybe do it a few times a year. But I wouldn’t say it’s a main hobby or anything.\nI’m talking about the people who insist they listen to classical music like crazy. Like it’s in their top 3 favorite genres.",
">\n\nTrue, I guess maybe if they constantly post about it, I do know a guy who does this with jazz music, he insists that he’s a huge jazz fanatic and constantly posts about it on social media. The way he posts about makes me assume he’s not as crazy about it as he really is, I used to be close to him too, I know for sure he’s never gone to a jazz concert or event. So from that angle I do get you. \nBut I would probably put classical in my top 3, but can’t say I can easily name tracks or tunes. I just prefer the sound overall. I don’t think putting something in your top 3 means you have to be all about that life though.",
">\n\nIm in my mid 30s and I sure do. It relaxes me a lot.",
">\n\nIt’s one of the most popular genres of music in the world and has been around for 100s of years. Maybe you should give it a try instead of whatever you’re attempting with this post.\nPS I blast Canon in D in my car.\nPPS I am not a science teacher.",
">\n\n\nPS I blast Canon in D in my car.\n\ncellists' rage intensifies",
">\n\nHave you missed Two set violin? They pretty much made classical music cool again.",
">\n\nEngineer here. Classical was my second most listened to genre on Spotify. Classic rock, classical, blues. My teen daughter also loves the same genres. Will say it trends more towards modern composers like Hans Zimmer, John Williams and such but occasionally Holst, Mendelssohn, etc. And yes, will even listen to such in the car.",
">\n\nHolst is one of my favorites! I love The Planets.",
">\n\nThe planets are incredible. Jupiter is one of the best pieces of music I have ever played. And Mars and Jupiter are so fun to listen to",
">\n\nI do. The songs have a complexity and a cadence to them that modern music lacks.\nI like modern music too, but classical is different in a way that is good. Bach songs remind me of spring.\nI wish modern musicians would make classical style music. I feel a lot of genres, especially trance and techno, would benefit a lot from it.",
">\n\nI am a former professional classical musician. I have my BS and have even published a book. The problem is:\n\nThe public's concept of music is shaped almost entirely by modern (post-1960's) popular music. The expectations they bring to music is shaped almost entirely by hip-hop/rock/pop. For the most part, and I know this is a generalization, this is music that is 3 to 5 minutes long, doesn't change key, is built almost entirely by repeating the same 3-4 phrases, and has lyrics. Most of the public just doesn't have the patience for an 8 to 10 minute movement of a sonata/symphony that might not even repeat a musical idea more than once, that is entirely instrumental. Indeed, it took me a long time to enjoy listening to classical music, because I just wasn't used to giving music that much of my attention span. \n\nWhen it comes down to it, most classical music, as well as most highbrow music from around the world, asks a lot out of the listener. The majority of people just aren't used to paying close attention for long periods of time. I think this is understandable. Just don't tell me how much you love Tchaikovsky after you turn him off after 3 minutes. \n\nThis one is going to be controversial, but in my experience, its true. People tend to associate music with stereotypes. Even I am guilty of this. I am often hesitant to embrace EDM because I picture rave kids with pacifiers and glow sticks. Not judging you if that's your thing, but that's something I don't want to be associated with. I know that's a stereotype and I'm sure there's many different fashion choices people make when attending EDM events, but I just don't relate to the community of people who enjoy this music, and that gets in the way of my enjoyment of it.\n\nThe same logic can be applied to classical music. Many people hear composers as disparate as Bach, Beethoven, and Debussy, and their minds immediately go to conservative old white people. Historically, the kind of people who enjoy classical music have the stereotype of not being sexy or hip. That's just not a community people want to identify with. I've seen a plethora of youtube videos that even call classical music racist. As outrageous as it might seem, many people are buying into that idea, and that makes them hesitant to embrace this kind of music. \nWhen it comes down to it, contemporary culture imposes the idea of music onto the public in ways that keep them from genuinely enjoying classical music. You have to re-conceptualize your idea of music in order to bring the expectations required to find this music enjoyable. To be fair, much of this music was written for people who were educated in the appreciation of culture and the arts. These kinds of people knew what to listen for and knew what assumptions to make when listening to something titled \"fugue\" or \"rondo\". \nNot saying it's a bad thing that this kind of audience doesn't really exist in large numbers anymore, but it's unfortunate that so many people are quick to call that kind informed listening \"snobbery\".",
">\n\nWell said. The domination of pop music is stifling to the understanding of Classical. The delivery system of streaming services doesn't help. Everything is a \"song\" now.",
">\n\nBelieve me when I say I listen to classical. Do I do it often tho? No",
">\n\n\"I do something\" and 'I'm a total devoted / obsessed fanboy\" isn't the same thing.\nThis is gatekeeping.",
">\n\nI’m talking about the people who pretend they are devoted to it. Ik people can enjoy something but not obsessive over it",
">\n\nThe best way to enjoy classical music is to hear it live. I go to concerts a few times a year, but yeah listening to it all the time? I have a playlist but it aint my most played.",
">\n\nI find it hard to believe for someone that doesn't play any classical instrument, but for people who do I can believe it. It's a lot easier to develop an appreciation for classical music when you play classical instruments or study music.",
">\n\nLmao, Canon in D is a meme among classical musicians and listeners. If you think that all classical music is like that, it's no wonder you can't believe anyone would enjoy listening to it.",
">\n\nIt made the OP lose all credibility beyond the already shit opinion to begin with.",
">\n\nDumb take.",
">\n\nI was listening to Beethoven and Schubert like crazy at 15. Ironically, I stopped listening after 18/19 but will still sometimes go back. I even acquired a taste for Chopin, Mozart, Vivaldi, and Liszt during those years.",
">\n\nMe and my younger sibling often listen to classical FM when we drive. Most of my youtube follows are classical musicians as well, and yet I don't play an instrument. It's a valid genre.",
">\n\nA NY classical station had a fund drive many years ago. They said if enough people pledged in the next hour, they would not play the Canon in D.",
">\n\nI do every now and then. If it's not reggae it's classical. I'm a firm believer that music has an effect on you and I've noticed these 2 always mellow me out",
">\n\nHonestly it calms us down when we listen. I can't listen to loud crap anymore. I'm 40 for the record. Also, we've gotten our kids used to listening to it while they do their homework. It calls them down too and gets them to focus",
">\n\nWell, I got Bach to Black Sabbath, Debussy to Daft Punk, Tansen (look him up) to Tender, and a whole lotta other things on my list. My playlist contains music of different era/decades, genres, and languages. I understand/speak 5 languages. Depending on my mood, I blast whatever the hell I want, and it doesnt really matter what anyone thinks about it or belives it or not lol \n(\"Science teacher\" 🙄🙄🙄 Buddy, I listened to Mozart while painting when I was in high school). People dont ALWAYS do the things they're into. I don't draw/paint/hike/shoot photos/travel/listen to my fav music/read books/stargaze/make or build stuff etc everyday :/ It doesnt mean I'm not into them. I'm an Administrator by profession, and it means jackshit in this regard, because one's job title/profession isnt who they are as a person, it's not their personality, and it has little to do with everything they enjoy/are interested in in their personal life.",
">\n\nI don't think there's any need to doubt someone who lists classic music among their interests, just because you've observed the fairly obvious, that this category of music is engaged with differently than pop music and other rarely all-instrumental genres.\nWhile I have absolutely driven down the street with classical music on blast, what I'm not doing in that situation is singing along with it. For, again, obvious reasons. And because \"kill the wabbit, kill the wabbit\" really only fits that one piece of music. And because I can't hit those opera notes.\nAnd can I rattle off my favorite pieces Mozart wrote, by opus and movement? No, I'd have to go to my playlist for that. So knowing that I would be put on the spot, here, I wouldn't similarly interrogate someone else who expresses a fondness for classic music. Doesn't mean they're favorites any less than Love Is The Drug by Roxy Music or House of the Rising Sun by The Animals.\nSymphonies have their slower movements, which can almost disappear into environmental noise, and operas have their sections that are exposition or conversation put to music. I can generally only put one on, rather than a curated playlist of the crowd-pleasing moments, when I'm in a very particular headspace.\nReally, I think classical music is just an overly broad term.\nSome of my favorite tracks that music services lump together as part of the genre are works meant to replicate the jovial arrangements that might have been played at court for festivals in the Middle Ages, which I got into when playing Europa Universalis 1 & 2.\nAnd these are nothing like the music of the Baroque era, and later the Romantic period, and even later works by artists recording new orchestral music in the 20th century. Let alone contemporary flamenco guitar pieces from Spain. Even before widening our scope beyond Europe to what is generally, again, lumped together as World Music.\nIt all makes for a very imposing \"genre\" to approach and identify with, and I respect someone who makes an effort. Either because they like the challenge it represents to engage with beyond a \"Classical Music At The Movies\" compilation, or because without any kind of grounding in musical theory, they nevertheless can appreciate, as audiences have for centuries, really well written and conducted orchestral pieces, or the stripped-down chamber music versions of the same.",
">\n\nYou clearly haven’t met my cats. They listen to jazz and classical… although the romance period is a bit to energetic. They prefer contemporary or classical for focus/relaxation.",
">\n\nThey sound cool asf",
">\n\nEver since the pandemic I’ve only been listening to Classical Japanese music. I particularly like the jiuta songs. I have no idea what’s going on anymore with current music. I’m sure at some point that will change but for now it is what it is.",
">\n\nwasaait, what's wrong with reading? it's mid January, I'm finishing my second book already\ndude wtf? it's not even an opinion, don't judge people by your low standards",
">\n\n100% agree. I was this guy at 15. I only listened to the most technical of death metal bands and classical because my taste in music was so refined and superior to all the sheep around me listening to their bubble gum pop and hip hop. Fuckin cringe lookin back at that time in my life. And guess how much classical I actually listened to? basically none.",
">\n\nThis is exactly what I’m talking about!",
">\n\nWhat era are you defining as “classical”? Because it’s not a monolith or single era. What people call “classical” music falls under one of several era/genre umbrellas: Baroque, Rococo, Neoclassic, etc.",
">\n\nWym 'baroque'? It's just an umbrella term, do you mean italian baroque, german baroque, french baroque, spanish baroque or english baroque? Or are you going to tell me that there are people who REALLY think Purcell and Zelenka sound the same??\nYeah, let's stick to 'classic' for OP's discussion",
">\n\nAre there a lot of 15 year olds claiming to love classical music? Is this like... a real problem?\nAlso, who gives a fuck if people say they like classical music? What does that have to do with you? If a 15 year old tells you they like classical matter, your opinion on the matter means absolutely nothing.",
">\n\nAt the end of the day I’m just saying that don’t pretended to be someone else. Just be honest with yourself. And if you genuinely like classical and you’re not the demographic that I would assume like it then this post does not apply to you.",
">\n\nThis post applies to no one because you have no idea if people actually like classical or not, that's my point. There's no demographic.",
">\n\nLike I mentioned. That’s just my perception. Obviously I’m open to be proven wrong.",
">\n\nProve to me how you know someone is enough of a fan of classical music to pass your arbitrary and meaningless standards, oh gatekeeper of Mozart, defender of Bach.",
">\n\nFirst impression* that’s what I meant. Not perception. Whoops. I feel like you’re taking this personally man. It’s not that serious.",
">\n\nWhy post in the first place?"
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OP also thinks no one likes salad. They only say so because people will perceive them as healthier than they actually are.
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"What does being a science teacher have to do with it?",
">\n\nOP is an idiot 😂",
">\n\nCorrect answer. OP knows nothing about science or classical music so presumes they are related.",
">\n\nI think the problem is when someone says they like doing something, most people think that means they’re always doing it or doing it hard, or like you, they think people need to be blasting music out of their car for 5 hours straight. I’m not always listening to my favorite music or favorite genres and songs. I like classical music and listen to it but I’m not playing it every day or even every week. I love snowboarding but I don’t go every week or spend a whole weekend snowboarding. I have a lot of favorites, too 3s and things I love doing that I haven’t actively engaged with for years",
">\n\nI know what you mean. I’m not talking about the people that do it occasionally and say they like it. Like I like ice skating. But I maybe do it a few times a year. But I wouldn’t say it’s a main hobby or anything.\nI’m talking about the people who insist they listen to classical music like crazy. Like it’s in their top 3 favorite genres.",
">\n\nTrue, I guess maybe if they constantly post about it, I do know a guy who does this with jazz music, he insists that he’s a huge jazz fanatic and constantly posts about it on social media. The way he posts about makes me assume he’s not as crazy about it as he really is, I used to be close to him too, I know for sure he’s never gone to a jazz concert or event. So from that angle I do get you. \nBut I would probably put classical in my top 3, but can’t say I can easily name tracks or tunes. I just prefer the sound overall. I don’t think putting something in your top 3 means you have to be all about that life though.",
">\n\nIm in my mid 30s and I sure do. It relaxes me a lot.",
">\n\nIt’s one of the most popular genres of music in the world and has been around for 100s of years. Maybe you should give it a try instead of whatever you’re attempting with this post.\nPS I blast Canon in D in my car.\nPPS I am not a science teacher.",
">\n\n\nPS I blast Canon in D in my car.\n\ncellists' rage intensifies",
">\n\nHave you missed Two set violin? They pretty much made classical music cool again.",
">\n\nEngineer here. Classical was my second most listened to genre on Spotify. Classic rock, classical, blues. My teen daughter also loves the same genres. Will say it trends more towards modern composers like Hans Zimmer, John Williams and such but occasionally Holst, Mendelssohn, etc. And yes, will even listen to such in the car.",
">\n\nHolst is one of my favorites! I love The Planets.",
">\n\nThe planets are incredible. Jupiter is one of the best pieces of music I have ever played. And Mars and Jupiter are so fun to listen to",
">\n\nI do. The songs have a complexity and a cadence to them that modern music lacks.\nI like modern music too, but classical is different in a way that is good. Bach songs remind me of spring.\nI wish modern musicians would make classical style music. I feel a lot of genres, especially trance and techno, would benefit a lot from it.",
">\n\nI am a former professional classical musician. I have my BS and have even published a book. The problem is:\n\nThe public's concept of music is shaped almost entirely by modern (post-1960's) popular music. The expectations they bring to music is shaped almost entirely by hip-hop/rock/pop. For the most part, and I know this is a generalization, this is music that is 3 to 5 minutes long, doesn't change key, is built almost entirely by repeating the same 3-4 phrases, and has lyrics. Most of the public just doesn't have the patience for an 8 to 10 minute movement of a sonata/symphony that might not even repeat a musical idea more than once, that is entirely instrumental. Indeed, it took me a long time to enjoy listening to classical music, because I just wasn't used to giving music that much of my attention span. \n\nWhen it comes down to it, most classical music, as well as most highbrow music from around the world, asks a lot out of the listener. The majority of people just aren't used to paying close attention for long periods of time. I think this is understandable. Just don't tell me how much you love Tchaikovsky after you turn him off after 3 minutes. \n\nThis one is going to be controversial, but in my experience, its true. People tend to associate music with stereotypes. Even I am guilty of this. I am often hesitant to embrace EDM because I picture rave kids with pacifiers and glow sticks. Not judging you if that's your thing, but that's something I don't want to be associated with. I know that's a stereotype and I'm sure there's many different fashion choices people make when attending EDM events, but I just don't relate to the community of people who enjoy this music, and that gets in the way of my enjoyment of it.\n\nThe same logic can be applied to classical music. Many people hear composers as disparate as Bach, Beethoven, and Debussy, and their minds immediately go to conservative old white people. Historically, the kind of people who enjoy classical music have the stereotype of not being sexy or hip. That's just not a community people want to identify with. I've seen a plethora of youtube videos that even call classical music racist. As outrageous as it might seem, many people are buying into that idea, and that makes them hesitant to embrace this kind of music. \nWhen it comes down to it, contemporary culture imposes the idea of music onto the public in ways that keep them from genuinely enjoying classical music. You have to re-conceptualize your idea of music in order to bring the expectations required to find this music enjoyable. To be fair, much of this music was written for people who were educated in the appreciation of culture and the arts. These kinds of people knew what to listen for and knew what assumptions to make when listening to something titled \"fugue\" or \"rondo\". \nNot saying it's a bad thing that this kind of audience doesn't really exist in large numbers anymore, but it's unfortunate that so many people are quick to call that kind informed listening \"snobbery\".",
">\n\nWell said. The domination of pop music is stifling to the understanding of Classical. The delivery system of streaming services doesn't help. Everything is a \"song\" now.",
">\n\nBelieve me when I say I listen to classical. Do I do it often tho? No",
">\n\n\"I do something\" and 'I'm a total devoted / obsessed fanboy\" isn't the same thing.\nThis is gatekeeping.",
">\n\nI’m talking about the people who pretend they are devoted to it. Ik people can enjoy something but not obsessive over it",
">\n\nThe best way to enjoy classical music is to hear it live. I go to concerts a few times a year, but yeah listening to it all the time? I have a playlist but it aint my most played.",
">\n\nI find it hard to believe for someone that doesn't play any classical instrument, but for people who do I can believe it. It's a lot easier to develop an appreciation for classical music when you play classical instruments or study music.",
">\n\nLmao, Canon in D is a meme among classical musicians and listeners. If you think that all classical music is like that, it's no wonder you can't believe anyone would enjoy listening to it.",
">\n\nIt made the OP lose all credibility beyond the already shit opinion to begin with.",
">\n\nDumb take.",
">\n\nI was listening to Beethoven and Schubert like crazy at 15. Ironically, I stopped listening after 18/19 but will still sometimes go back. I even acquired a taste for Chopin, Mozart, Vivaldi, and Liszt during those years.",
">\n\nMe and my younger sibling often listen to classical FM when we drive. Most of my youtube follows are classical musicians as well, and yet I don't play an instrument. It's a valid genre.",
">\n\nA NY classical station had a fund drive many years ago. They said if enough people pledged in the next hour, they would not play the Canon in D.",
">\n\nI do every now and then. If it's not reggae it's classical. I'm a firm believer that music has an effect on you and I've noticed these 2 always mellow me out",
">\n\nHonestly it calms us down when we listen. I can't listen to loud crap anymore. I'm 40 for the record. Also, we've gotten our kids used to listening to it while they do their homework. It calls them down too and gets them to focus",
">\n\nWell, I got Bach to Black Sabbath, Debussy to Daft Punk, Tansen (look him up) to Tender, and a whole lotta other things on my list. My playlist contains music of different era/decades, genres, and languages. I understand/speak 5 languages. Depending on my mood, I blast whatever the hell I want, and it doesnt really matter what anyone thinks about it or belives it or not lol \n(\"Science teacher\" 🙄🙄🙄 Buddy, I listened to Mozart while painting when I was in high school). People dont ALWAYS do the things they're into. I don't draw/paint/hike/shoot photos/travel/listen to my fav music/read books/stargaze/make or build stuff etc everyday :/ It doesnt mean I'm not into them. I'm an Administrator by profession, and it means jackshit in this regard, because one's job title/profession isnt who they are as a person, it's not their personality, and it has little to do with everything they enjoy/are interested in in their personal life.",
">\n\nI don't think there's any need to doubt someone who lists classic music among their interests, just because you've observed the fairly obvious, that this category of music is engaged with differently than pop music and other rarely all-instrumental genres.\nWhile I have absolutely driven down the street with classical music on blast, what I'm not doing in that situation is singing along with it. For, again, obvious reasons. And because \"kill the wabbit, kill the wabbit\" really only fits that one piece of music. And because I can't hit those opera notes.\nAnd can I rattle off my favorite pieces Mozart wrote, by opus and movement? No, I'd have to go to my playlist for that. So knowing that I would be put on the spot, here, I wouldn't similarly interrogate someone else who expresses a fondness for classic music. Doesn't mean they're favorites any less than Love Is The Drug by Roxy Music or House of the Rising Sun by The Animals.\nSymphonies have their slower movements, which can almost disappear into environmental noise, and operas have their sections that are exposition or conversation put to music. I can generally only put one on, rather than a curated playlist of the crowd-pleasing moments, when I'm in a very particular headspace.\nReally, I think classical music is just an overly broad term.\nSome of my favorite tracks that music services lump together as part of the genre are works meant to replicate the jovial arrangements that might have been played at court for festivals in the Middle Ages, which I got into when playing Europa Universalis 1 & 2.\nAnd these are nothing like the music of the Baroque era, and later the Romantic period, and even later works by artists recording new orchestral music in the 20th century. Let alone contemporary flamenco guitar pieces from Spain. Even before widening our scope beyond Europe to what is generally, again, lumped together as World Music.\nIt all makes for a very imposing \"genre\" to approach and identify with, and I respect someone who makes an effort. Either because they like the challenge it represents to engage with beyond a \"Classical Music At The Movies\" compilation, or because without any kind of grounding in musical theory, they nevertheless can appreciate, as audiences have for centuries, really well written and conducted orchestral pieces, or the stripped-down chamber music versions of the same.",
">\n\nYou clearly haven’t met my cats. They listen to jazz and classical… although the romance period is a bit to energetic. They prefer contemporary or classical for focus/relaxation.",
">\n\nThey sound cool asf",
">\n\nEver since the pandemic I’ve only been listening to Classical Japanese music. I particularly like the jiuta songs. I have no idea what’s going on anymore with current music. I’m sure at some point that will change but for now it is what it is.",
">\n\nwasaait, what's wrong with reading? it's mid January, I'm finishing my second book already\ndude wtf? it's not even an opinion, don't judge people by your low standards",
">\n\n100% agree. I was this guy at 15. I only listened to the most technical of death metal bands and classical because my taste in music was so refined and superior to all the sheep around me listening to their bubble gum pop and hip hop. Fuckin cringe lookin back at that time in my life. And guess how much classical I actually listened to? basically none.",
">\n\nThis is exactly what I’m talking about!",
">\n\nWhat era are you defining as “classical”? Because it’s not a monolith or single era. What people call “classical” music falls under one of several era/genre umbrellas: Baroque, Rococo, Neoclassic, etc.",
">\n\nWym 'baroque'? It's just an umbrella term, do you mean italian baroque, german baroque, french baroque, spanish baroque or english baroque? Or are you going to tell me that there are people who REALLY think Purcell and Zelenka sound the same??\nYeah, let's stick to 'classic' for OP's discussion",
">\n\nAre there a lot of 15 year olds claiming to love classical music? Is this like... a real problem?\nAlso, who gives a fuck if people say they like classical music? What does that have to do with you? If a 15 year old tells you they like classical matter, your opinion on the matter means absolutely nothing.",
">\n\nAt the end of the day I’m just saying that don’t pretended to be someone else. Just be honest with yourself. And if you genuinely like classical and you’re not the demographic that I would assume like it then this post does not apply to you.",
">\n\nThis post applies to no one because you have no idea if people actually like classical or not, that's my point. There's no demographic.",
">\n\nLike I mentioned. That’s just my perception. Obviously I’m open to be proven wrong.",
">\n\nProve to me how you know someone is enough of a fan of classical music to pass your arbitrary and meaningless standards, oh gatekeeper of Mozart, defender of Bach.",
">\n\nFirst impression* that’s what I meant. Not perception. Whoops. I feel like you’re taking this personally man. It’s not that serious.",
">\n\nWhy post in the first place?",
">\n\nSoon 80s will be Classic.\nThey are already timeless"
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i genuinely love classical music and reading and working out
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"What does being a science teacher have to do with it?",
">\n\nOP is an idiot 😂",
">\n\nCorrect answer. OP knows nothing about science or classical music so presumes they are related.",
">\n\nI think the problem is when someone says they like doing something, most people think that means they’re always doing it or doing it hard, or like you, they think people need to be blasting music out of their car for 5 hours straight. I’m not always listening to my favorite music or favorite genres and songs. I like classical music and listen to it but I’m not playing it every day or even every week. I love snowboarding but I don’t go every week or spend a whole weekend snowboarding. I have a lot of favorites, too 3s and things I love doing that I haven’t actively engaged with for years",
">\n\nI know what you mean. I’m not talking about the people that do it occasionally and say they like it. Like I like ice skating. But I maybe do it a few times a year. But I wouldn’t say it’s a main hobby or anything.\nI’m talking about the people who insist they listen to classical music like crazy. Like it’s in their top 3 favorite genres.",
">\n\nTrue, I guess maybe if they constantly post about it, I do know a guy who does this with jazz music, he insists that he’s a huge jazz fanatic and constantly posts about it on social media. The way he posts about makes me assume he’s not as crazy about it as he really is, I used to be close to him too, I know for sure he’s never gone to a jazz concert or event. So from that angle I do get you. \nBut I would probably put classical in my top 3, but can’t say I can easily name tracks or tunes. I just prefer the sound overall. I don’t think putting something in your top 3 means you have to be all about that life though.",
">\n\nIm in my mid 30s and I sure do. It relaxes me a lot.",
">\n\nIt’s one of the most popular genres of music in the world and has been around for 100s of years. Maybe you should give it a try instead of whatever you’re attempting with this post.\nPS I blast Canon in D in my car.\nPPS I am not a science teacher.",
">\n\n\nPS I blast Canon in D in my car.\n\ncellists' rage intensifies",
">\n\nHave you missed Two set violin? They pretty much made classical music cool again.",
">\n\nEngineer here. Classical was my second most listened to genre on Spotify. Classic rock, classical, blues. My teen daughter also loves the same genres. Will say it trends more towards modern composers like Hans Zimmer, John Williams and such but occasionally Holst, Mendelssohn, etc. And yes, will even listen to such in the car.",
">\n\nHolst is one of my favorites! I love The Planets.",
">\n\nThe planets are incredible. Jupiter is one of the best pieces of music I have ever played. And Mars and Jupiter are so fun to listen to",
">\n\nI do. The songs have a complexity and a cadence to them that modern music lacks.\nI like modern music too, but classical is different in a way that is good. Bach songs remind me of spring.\nI wish modern musicians would make classical style music. I feel a lot of genres, especially trance and techno, would benefit a lot from it.",
">\n\nI am a former professional classical musician. I have my BS and have even published a book. The problem is:\n\nThe public's concept of music is shaped almost entirely by modern (post-1960's) popular music. The expectations they bring to music is shaped almost entirely by hip-hop/rock/pop. For the most part, and I know this is a generalization, this is music that is 3 to 5 minutes long, doesn't change key, is built almost entirely by repeating the same 3-4 phrases, and has lyrics. Most of the public just doesn't have the patience for an 8 to 10 minute movement of a sonata/symphony that might not even repeat a musical idea more than once, that is entirely instrumental. Indeed, it took me a long time to enjoy listening to classical music, because I just wasn't used to giving music that much of my attention span. \n\nWhen it comes down to it, most classical music, as well as most highbrow music from around the world, asks a lot out of the listener. The majority of people just aren't used to paying close attention for long periods of time. I think this is understandable. Just don't tell me how much you love Tchaikovsky after you turn him off after 3 minutes. \n\nThis one is going to be controversial, but in my experience, its true. People tend to associate music with stereotypes. Even I am guilty of this. I am often hesitant to embrace EDM because I picture rave kids with pacifiers and glow sticks. Not judging you if that's your thing, but that's something I don't want to be associated with. I know that's a stereotype and I'm sure there's many different fashion choices people make when attending EDM events, but I just don't relate to the community of people who enjoy this music, and that gets in the way of my enjoyment of it.\n\nThe same logic can be applied to classical music. Many people hear composers as disparate as Bach, Beethoven, and Debussy, and their minds immediately go to conservative old white people. Historically, the kind of people who enjoy classical music have the stereotype of not being sexy or hip. That's just not a community people want to identify with. I've seen a plethora of youtube videos that even call classical music racist. As outrageous as it might seem, many people are buying into that idea, and that makes them hesitant to embrace this kind of music. \nWhen it comes down to it, contemporary culture imposes the idea of music onto the public in ways that keep them from genuinely enjoying classical music. You have to re-conceptualize your idea of music in order to bring the expectations required to find this music enjoyable. To be fair, much of this music was written for people who were educated in the appreciation of culture and the arts. These kinds of people knew what to listen for and knew what assumptions to make when listening to something titled \"fugue\" or \"rondo\". \nNot saying it's a bad thing that this kind of audience doesn't really exist in large numbers anymore, but it's unfortunate that so many people are quick to call that kind informed listening \"snobbery\".",
">\n\nWell said. The domination of pop music is stifling to the understanding of Classical. The delivery system of streaming services doesn't help. Everything is a \"song\" now.",
">\n\nBelieve me when I say I listen to classical. Do I do it often tho? No",
">\n\n\"I do something\" and 'I'm a total devoted / obsessed fanboy\" isn't the same thing.\nThis is gatekeeping.",
">\n\nI’m talking about the people who pretend they are devoted to it. Ik people can enjoy something but not obsessive over it",
">\n\nThe best way to enjoy classical music is to hear it live. I go to concerts a few times a year, but yeah listening to it all the time? I have a playlist but it aint my most played.",
">\n\nI find it hard to believe for someone that doesn't play any classical instrument, but for people who do I can believe it. It's a lot easier to develop an appreciation for classical music when you play classical instruments or study music.",
">\n\nLmao, Canon in D is a meme among classical musicians and listeners. If you think that all classical music is like that, it's no wonder you can't believe anyone would enjoy listening to it.",
">\n\nIt made the OP lose all credibility beyond the already shit opinion to begin with.",
">\n\nDumb take.",
">\n\nI was listening to Beethoven and Schubert like crazy at 15. Ironically, I stopped listening after 18/19 but will still sometimes go back. I even acquired a taste for Chopin, Mozart, Vivaldi, and Liszt during those years.",
">\n\nMe and my younger sibling often listen to classical FM when we drive. Most of my youtube follows are classical musicians as well, and yet I don't play an instrument. It's a valid genre.",
">\n\nA NY classical station had a fund drive many years ago. They said if enough people pledged in the next hour, they would not play the Canon in D.",
">\n\nI do every now and then. If it's not reggae it's classical. I'm a firm believer that music has an effect on you and I've noticed these 2 always mellow me out",
">\n\nHonestly it calms us down when we listen. I can't listen to loud crap anymore. I'm 40 for the record. Also, we've gotten our kids used to listening to it while they do their homework. It calls them down too and gets them to focus",
">\n\nWell, I got Bach to Black Sabbath, Debussy to Daft Punk, Tansen (look him up) to Tender, and a whole lotta other things on my list. My playlist contains music of different era/decades, genres, and languages. I understand/speak 5 languages. Depending on my mood, I blast whatever the hell I want, and it doesnt really matter what anyone thinks about it or belives it or not lol \n(\"Science teacher\" 🙄🙄🙄 Buddy, I listened to Mozart while painting when I was in high school). People dont ALWAYS do the things they're into. I don't draw/paint/hike/shoot photos/travel/listen to my fav music/read books/stargaze/make or build stuff etc everyday :/ It doesnt mean I'm not into them. I'm an Administrator by profession, and it means jackshit in this regard, because one's job title/profession isnt who they are as a person, it's not their personality, and it has little to do with everything they enjoy/are interested in in their personal life.",
">\n\nI don't think there's any need to doubt someone who lists classic music among their interests, just because you've observed the fairly obvious, that this category of music is engaged with differently than pop music and other rarely all-instrumental genres.\nWhile I have absolutely driven down the street with classical music on blast, what I'm not doing in that situation is singing along with it. For, again, obvious reasons. And because \"kill the wabbit, kill the wabbit\" really only fits that one piece of music. And because I can't hit those opera notes.\nAnd can I rattle off my favorite pieces Mozart wrote, by opus and movement? No, I'd have to go to my playlist for that. So knowing that I would be put on the spot, here, I wouldn't similarly interrogate someone else who expresses a fondness for classic music. Doesn't mean they're favorites any less than Love Is The Drug by Roxy Music or House of the Rising Sun by The Animals.\nSymphonies have their slower movements, which can almost disappear into environmental noise, and operas have their sections that are exposition or conversation put to music. I can generally only put one on, rather than a curated playlist of the crowd-pleasing moments, when I'm in a very particular headspace.\nReally, I think classical music is just an overly broad term.\nSome of my favorite tracks that music services lump together as part of the genre are works meant to replicate the jovial arrangements that might have been played at court for festivals in the Middle Ages, which I got into when playing Europa Universalis 1 & 2.\nAnd these are nothing like the music of the Baroque era, and later the Romantic period, and even later works by artists recording new orchestral music in the 20th century. Let alone contemporary flamenco guitar pieces from Spain. Even before widening our scope beyond Europe to what is generally, again, lumped together as World Music.\nIt all makes for a very imposing \"genre\" to approach and identify with, and I respect someone who makes an effort. Either because they like the challenge it represents to engage with beyond a \"Classical Music At The Movies\" compilation, or because without any kind of grounding in musical theory, they nevertheless can appreciate, as audiences have for centuries, really well written and conducted orchestral pieces, or the stripped-down chamber music versions of the same.",
">\n\nYou clearly haven’t met my cats. They listen to jazz and classical… although the romance period is a bit to energetic. They prefer contemporary or classical for focus/relaxation.",
">\n\nThey sound cool asf",
">\n\nEver since the pandemic I’ve only been listening to Classical Japanese music. I particularly like the jiuta songs. I have no idea what’s going on anymore with current music. I’m sure at some point that will change but for now it is what it is.",
">\n\nwasaait, what's wrong with reading? it's mid January, I'm finishing my second book already\ndude wtf? it's not even an opinion, don't judge people by your low standards",
">\n\n100% agree. I was this guy at 15. I only listened to the most technical of death metal bands and classical because my taste in music was so refined and superior to all the sheep around me listening to their bubble gum pop and hip hop. Fuckin cringe lookin back at that time in my life. And guess how much classical I actually listened to? basically none.",
">\n\nThis is exactly what I’m talking about!",
">\n\nWhat era are you defining as “classical”? Because it’s not a monolith or single era. What people call “classical” music falls under one of several era/genre umbrellas: Baroque, Rococo, Neoclassic, etc.",
">\n\nWym 'baroque'? It's just an umbrella term, do you mean italian baroque, german baroque, french baroque, spanish baroque or english baroque? Or are you going to tell me that there are people who REALLY think Purcell and Zelenka sound the same??\nYeah, let's stick to 'classic' for OP's discussion",
">\n\nAre there a lot of 15 year olds claiming to love classical music? Is this like... a real problem?\nAlso, who gives a fuck if people say they like classical music? What does that have to do with you? If a 15 year old tells you they like classical matter, your opinion on the matter means absolutely nothing.",
">\n\nAt the end of the day I’m just saying that don’t pretended to be someone else. Just be honest with yourself. And if you genuinely like classical and you’re not the demographic that I would assume like it then this post does not apply to you.",
">\n\nThis post applies to no one because you have no idea if people actually like classical or not, that's my point. There's no demographic.",
">\n\nLike I mentioned. That’s just my perception. Obviously I’m open to be proven wrong.",
">\n\nProve to me how you know someone is enough of a fan of classical music to pass your arbitrary and meaningless standards, oh gatekeeper of Mozart, defender of Bach.",
">\n\nFirst impression* that’s what I meant. Not perception. Whoops. I feel like you’re taking this personally man. It’s not that serious.",
">\n\nWhy post in the first place?",
">\n\nSoon 80s will be Classic.\nThey are already timeless",
">\n\nOP also thinks no one likes salad. They only say so because people will perceive them as healthier than they actually are."
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Msny guys will ask you out now according to OP.
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"What does being a science teacher have to do with it?",
">\n\nOP is an idiot 😂",
">\n\nCorrect answer. OP knows nothing about science or classical music so presumes they are related.",
">\n\nI think the problem is when someone says they like doing something, most people think that means they’re always doing it or doing it hard, or like you, they think people need to be blasting music out of their car for 5 hours straight. I’m not always listening to my favorite music or favorite genres and songs. I like classical music and listen to it but I’m not playing it every day or even every week. I love snowboarding but I don’t go every week or spend a whole weekend snowboarding. I have a lot of favorites, too 3s and things I love doing that I haven’t actively engaged with for years",
">\n\nI know what you mean. I’m not talking about the people that do it occasionally and say they like it. Like I like ice skating. But I maybe do it a few times a year. But I wouldn’t say it’s a main hobby or anything.\nI’m talking about the people who insist they listen to classical music like crazy. Like it’s in their top 3 favorite genres.",
">\n\nTrue, I guess maybe if they constantly post about it, I do know a guy who does this with jazz music, he insists that he’s a huge jazz fanatic and constantly posts about it on social media. The way he posts about makes me assume he’s not as crazy about it as he really is, I used to be close to him too, I know for sure he’s never gone to a jazz concert or event. So from that angle I do get you. \nBut I would probably put classical in my top 3, but can’t say I can easily name tracks or tunes. I just prefer the sound overall. I don’t think putting something in your top 3 means you have to be all about that life though.",
">\n\nIm in my mid 30s and I sure do. It relaxes me a lot.",
">\n\nIt’s one of the most popular genres of music in the world and has been around for 100s of years. Maybe you should give it a try instead of whatever you’re attempting with this post.\nPS I blast Canon in D in my car.\nPPS I am not a science teacher.",
">\n\n\nPS I blast Canon in D in my car.\n\ncellists' rage intensifies",
">\n\nHave you missed Two set violin? They pretty much made classical music cool again.",
">\n\nEngineer here. Classical was my second most listened to genre on Spotify. Classic rock, classical, blues. My teen daughter also loves the same genres. Will say it trends more towards modern composers like Hans Zimmer, John Williams and such but occasionally Holst, Mendelssohn, etc. And yes, will even listen to such in the car.",
">\n\nHolst is one of my favorites! I love The Planets.",
">\n\nThe planets are incredible. Jupiter is one of the best pieces of music I have ever played. And Mars and Jupiter are so fun to listen to",
">\n\nI do. The songs have a complexity and a cadence to them that modern music lacks.\nI like modern music too, but classical is different in a way that is good. Bach songs remind me of spring.\nI wish modern musicians would make classical style music. I feel a lot of genres, especially trance and techno, would benefit a lot from it.",
">\n\nI am a former professional classical musician. I have my BS and have even published a book. The problem is:\n\nThe public's concept of music is shaped almost entirely by modern (post-1960's) popular music. The expectations they bring to music is shaped almost entirely by hip-hop/rock/pop. For the most part, and I know this is a generalization, this is music that is 3 to 5 minutes long, doesn't change key, is built almost entirely by repeating the same 3-4 phrases, and has lyrics. Most of the public just doesn't have the patience for an 8 to 10 minute movement of a sonata/symphony that might not even repeat a musical idea more than once, that is entirely instrumental. Indeed, it took me a long time to enjoy listening to classical music, because I just wasn't used to giving music that much of my attention span. \n\nWhen it comes down to it, most classical music, as well as most highbrow music from around the world, asks a lot out of the listener. The majority of people just aren't used to paying close attention for long periods of time. I think this is understandable. Just don't tell me how much you love Tchaikovsky after you turn him off after 3 minutes. \n\nThis one is going to be controversial, but in my experience, its true. People tend to associate music with stereotypes. Even I am guilty of this. I am often hesitant to embrace EDM because I picture rave kids with pacifiers and glow sticks. Not judging you if that's your thing, but that's something I don't want to be associated with. I know that's a stereotype and I'm sure there's many different fashion choices people make when attending EDM events, but I just don't relate to the community of people who enjoy this music, and that gets in the way of my enjoyment of it.\n\nThe same logic can be applied to classical music. Many people hear composers as disparate as Bach, Beethoven, and Debussy, and their minds immediately go to conservative old white people. Historically, the kind of people who enjoy classical music have the stereotype of not being sexy or hip. That's just not a community people want to identify with. I've seen a plethora of youtube videos that even call classical music racist. As outrageous as it might seem, many people are buying into that idea, and that makes them hesitant to embrace this kind of music. \nWhen it comes down to it, contemporary culture imposes the idea of music onto the public in ways that keep them from genuinely enjoying classical music. You have to re-conceptualize your idea of music in order to bring the expectations required to find this music enjoyable. To be fair, much of this music was written for people who were educated in the appreciation of culture and the arts. These kinds of people knew what to listen for and knew what assumptions to make when listening to something titled \"fugue\" or \"rondo\". \nNot saying it's a bad thing that this kind of audience doesn't really exist in large numbers anymore, but it's unfortunate that so many people are quick to call that kind informed listening \"snobbery\".",
">\n\nWell said. The domination of pop music is stifling to the understanding of Classical. The delivery system of streaming services doesn't help. Everything is a \"song\" now.",
">\n\nBelieve me when I say I listen to classical. Do I do it often tho? No",
">\n\n\"I do something\" and 'I'm a total devoted / obsessed fanboy\" isn't the same thing.\nThis is gatekeeping.",
">\n\nI’m talking about the people who pretend they are devoted to it. Ik people can enjoy something but not obsessive over it",
">\n\nThe best way to enjoy classical music is to hear it live. I go to concerts a few times a year, but yeah listening to it all the time? I have a playlist but it aint my most played.",
">\n\nI find it hard to believe for someone that doesn't play any classical instrument, but for people who do I can believe it. It's a lot easier to develop an appreciation for classical music when you play classical instruments or study music.",
">\n\nLmao, Canon in D is a meme among classical musicians and listeners. If you think that all classical music is like that, it's no wonder you can't believe anyone would enjoy listening to it.",
">\n\nIt made the OP lose all credibility beyond the already shit opinion to begin with.",
">\n\nDumb take.",
">\n\nI was listening to Beethoven and Schubert like crazy at 15. Ironically, I stopped listening after 18/19 but will still sometimes go back. I even acquired a taste for Chopin, Mozart, Vivaldi, and Liszt during those years.",
">\n\nMe and my younger sibling often listen to classical FM when we drive. Most of my youtube follows are classical musicians as well, and yet I don't play an instrument. It's a valid genre.",
">\n\nA NY classical station had a fund drive many years ago. They said if enough people pledged in the next hour, they would not play the Canon in D.",
">\n\nI do every now and then. If it's not reggae it's classical. I'm a firm believer that music has an effect on you and I've noticed these 2 always mellow me out",
">\n\nHonestly it calms us down when we listen. I can't listen to loud crap anymore. I'm 40 for the record. Also, we've gotten our kids used to listening to it while they do their homework. It calls them down too and gets them to focus",
">\n\nWell, I got Bach to Black Sabbath, Debussy to Daft Punk, Tansen (look him up) to Tender, and a whole lotta other things on my list. My playlist contains music of different era/decades, genres, and languages. I understand/speak 5 languages. Depending on my mood, I blast whatever the hell I want, and it doesnt really matter what anyone thinks about it or belives it or not lol \n(\"Science teacher\" 🙄🙄🙄 Buddy, I listened to Mozart while painting when I was in high school). People dont ALWAYS do the things they're into. I don't draw/paint/hike/shoot photos/travel/listen to my fav music/read books/stargaze/make or build stuff etc everyday :/ It doesnt mean I'm not into them. I'm an Administrator by profession, and it means jackshit in this regard, because one's job title/profession isnt who they are as a person, it's not their personality, and it has little to do with everything they enjoy/are interested in in their personal life.",
">\n\nI don't think there's any need to doubt someone who lists classic music among their interests, just because you've observed the fairly obvious, that this category of music is engaged with differently than pop music and other rarely all-instrumental genres.\nWhile I have absolutely driven down the street with classical music on blast, what I'm not doing in that situation is singing along with it. For, again, obvious reasons. And because \"kill the wabbit, kill the wabbit\" really only fits that one piece of music. And because I can't hit those opera notes.\nAnd can I rattle off my favorite pieces Mozart wrote, by opus and movement? No, I'd have to go to my playlist for that. So knowing that I would be put on the spot, here, I wouldn't similarly interrogate someone else who expresses a fondness for classic music. Doesn't mean they're favorites any less than Love Is The Drug by Roxy Music or House of the Rising Sun by The Animals.\nSymphonies have their slower movements, which can almost disappear into environmental noise, and operas have their sections that are exposition or conversation put to music. I can generally only put one on, rather than a curated playlist of the crowd-pleasing moments, when I'm in a very particular headspace.\nReally, I think classical music is just an overly broad term.\nSome of my favorite tracks that music services lump together as part of the genre are works meant to replicate the jovial arrangements that might have been played at court for festivals in the Middle Ages, which I got into when playing Europa Universalis 1 & 2.\nAnd these are nothing like the music of the Baroque era, and later the Romantic period, and even later works by artists recording new orchestral music in the 20th century. Let alone contemporary flamenco guitar pieces from Spain. Even before widening our scope beyond Europe to what is generally, again, lumped together as World Music.\nIt all makes for a very imposing \"genre\" to approach and identify with, and I respect someone who makes an effort. Either because they like the challenge it represents to engage with beyond a \"Classical Music At The Movies\" compilation, or because without any kind of grounding in musical theory, they nevertheless can appreciate, as audiences have for centuries, really well written and conducted orchestral pieces, or the stripped-down chamber music versions of the same.",
">\n\nYou clearly haven’t met my cats. They listen to jazz and classical… although the romance period is a bit to energetic. They prefer contemporary or classical for focus/relaxation.",
">\n\nThey sound cool asf",
">\n\nEver since the pandemic I’ve only been listening to Classical Japanese music. I particularly like the jiuta songs. I have no idea what’s going on anymore with current music. I’m sure at some point that will change but for now it is what it is.",
">\n\nwasaait, what's wrong with reading? it's mid January, I'm finishing my second book already\ndude wtf? it's not even an opinion, don't judge people by your low standards",
">\n\n100% agree. I was this guy at 15. I only listened to the most technical of death metal bands and classical because my taste in music was so refined and superior to all the sheep around me listening to their bubble gum pop and hip hop. Fuckin cringe lookin back at that time in my life. And guess how much classical I actually listened to? basically none.",
">\n\nThis is exactly what I’m talking about!",
">\n\nWhat era are you defining as “classical”? Because it’s not a monolith or single era. What people call “classical” music falls under one of several era/genre umbrellas: Baroque, Rococo, Neoclassic, etc.",
">\n\nWym 'baroque'? It's just an umbrella term, do you mean italian baroque, german baroque, french baroque, spanish baroque or english baroque? Or are you going to tell me that there are people who REALLY think Purcell and Zelenka sound the same??\nYeah, let's stick to 'classic' for OP's discussion",
">\n\nAre there a lot of 15 year olds claiming to love classical music? Is this like... a real problem?\nAlso, who gives a fuck if people say they like classical music? What does that have to do with you? If a 15 year old tells you they like classical matter, your opinion on the matter means absolutely nothing.",
">\n\nAt the end of the day I’m just saying that don’t pretended to be someone else. Just be honest with yourself. And if you genuinely like classical and you’re not the demographic that I would assume like it then this post does not apply to you.",
">\n\nThis post applies to no one because you have no idea if people actually like classical or not, that's my point. There's no demographic.",
">\n\nLike I mentioned. That’s just my perception. Obviously I’m open to be proven wrong.",
">\n\nProve to me how you know someone is enough of a fan of classical music to pass your arbitrary and meaningless standards, oh gatekeeper of Mozart, defender of Bach.",
">\n\nFirst impression* that’s what I meant. Not perception. Whoops. I feel like you’re taking this personally man. It’s not that serious.",
">\n\nWhy post in the first place?",
">\n\nSoon 80s will be Classic.\nThey are already timeless",
">\n\nOP also thinks no one likes salad. They only say so because people will perceive them as healthier than they actually are.",
">\n\ni genuinely love classical music and reading and working out"
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I mean I take lessons for Opera singing so yeah it's part of it. I listen to almost every genre
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"What does being a science teacher have to do with it?",
">\n\nOP is an idiot 😂",
">\n\nCorrect answer. OP knows nothing about science or classical music so presumes they are related.",
">\n\nI think the problem is when someone says they like doing something, most people think that means they’re always doing it or doing it hard, or like you, they think people need to be blasting music out of their car for 5 hours straight. I’m not always listening to my favorite music or favorite genres and songs. I like classical music and listen to it but I’m not playing it every day or even every week. I love snowboarding but I don’t go every week or spend a whole weekend snowboarding. I have a lot of favorites, too 3s and things I love doing that I haven’t actively engaged with for years",
">\n\nI know what you mean. I’m not talking about the people that do it occasionally and say they like it. Like I like ice skating. But I maybe do it a few times a year. But I wouldn’t say it’s a main hobby or anything.\nI’m talking about the people who insist they listen to classical music like crazy. Like it’s in their top 3 favorite genres.",
">\n\nTrue, I guess maybe if they constantly post about it, I do know a guy who does this with jazz music, he insists that he’s a huge jazz fanatic and constantly posts about it on social media. The way he posts about makes me assume he’s not as crazy about it as he really is, I used to be close to him too, I know for sure he’s never gone to a jazz concert or event. So from that angle I do get you. \nBut I would probably put classical in my top 3, but can’t say I can easily name tracks or tunes. I just prefer the sound overall. I don’t think putting something in your top 3 means you have to be all about that life though.",
">\n\nIm in my mid 30s and I sure do. It relaxes me a lot.",
">\n\nIt’s one of the most popular genres of music in the world and has been around for 100s of years. Maybe you should give it a try instead of whatever you’re attempting with this post.\nPS I blast Canon in D in my car.\nPPS I am not a science teacher.",
">\n\n\nPS I blast Canon in D in my car.\n\ncellists' rage intensifies",
">\n\nHave you missed Two set violin? They pretty much made classical music cool again.",
">\n\nEngineer here. Classical was my second most listened to genre on Spotify. Classic rock, classical, blues. My teen daughter also loves the same genres. Will say it trends more towards modern composers like Hans Zimmer, John Williams and such but occasionally Holst, Mendelssohn, etc. And yes, will even listen to such in the car.",
">\n\nHolst is one of my favorites! I love The Planets.",
">\n\nThe planets are incredible. Jupiter is one of the best pieces of music I have ever played. And Mars and Jupiter are so fun to listen to",
">\n\nI do. The songs have a complexity and a cadence to them that modern music lacks.\nI like modern music too, but classical is different in a way that is good. Bach songs remind me of spring.\nI wish modern musicians would make classical style music. I feel a lot of genres, especially trance and techno, would benefit a lot from it.",
">\n\nI am a former professional classical musician. I have my BS and have even published a book. The problem is:\n\nThe public's concept of music is shaped almost entirely by modern (post-1960's) popular music. The expectations they bring to music is shaped almost entirely by hip-hop/rock/pop. For the most part, and I know this is a generalization, this is music that is 3 to 5 minutes long, doesn't change key, is built almost entirely by repeating the same 3-4 phrases, and has lyrics. Most of the public just doesn't have the patience for an 8 to 10 minute movement of a sonata/symphony that might not even repeat a musical idea more than once, that is entirely instrumental. Indeed, it took me a long time to enjoy listening to classical music, because I just wasn't used to giving music that much of my attention span. \n\nWhen it comes down to it, most classical music, as well as most highbrow music from around the world, asks a lot out of the listener. The majority of people just aren't used to paying close attention for long periods of time. I think this is understandable. Just don't tell me how much you love Tchaikovsky after you turn him off after 3 minutes. \n\nThis one is going to be controversial, but in my experience, its true. People tend to associate music with stereotypes. Even I am guilty of this. I am often hesitant to embrace EDM because I picture rave kids with pacifiers and glow sticks. Not judging you if that's your thing, but that's something I don't want to be associated with. I know that's a stereotype and I'm sure there's many different fashion choices people make when attending EDM events, but I just don't relate to the community of people who enjoy this music, and that gets in the way of my enjoyment of it.\n\nThe same logic can be applied to classical music. Many people hear composers as disparate as Bach, Beethoven, and Debussy, and their minds immediately go to conservative old white people. Historically, the kind of people who enjoy classical music have the stereotype of not being sexy or hip. That's just not a community people want to identify with. I've seen a plethora of youtube videos that even call classical music racist. As outrageous as it might seem, many people are buying into that idea, and that makes them hesitant to embrace this kind of music. \nWhen it comes down to it, contemporary culture imposes the idea of music onto the public in ways that keep them from genuinely enjoying classical music. You have to re-conceptualize your idea of music in order to bring the expectations required to find this music enjoyable. To be fair, much of this music was written for people who were educated in the appreciation of culture and the arts. These kinds of people knew what to listen for and knew what assumptions to make when listening to something titled \"fugue\" or \"rondo\". \nNot saying it's a bad thing that this kind of audience doesn't really exist in large numbers anymore, but it's unfortunate that so many people are quick to call that kind informed listening \"snobbery\".",
">\n\nWell said. The domination of pop music is stifling to the understanding of Classical. The delivery system of streaming services doesn't help. Everything is a \"song\" now.",
">\n\nBelieve me when I say I listen to classical. Do I do it often tho? No",
">\n\n\"I do something\" and 'I'm a total devoted / obsessed fanboy\" isn't the same thing.\nThis is gatekeeping.",
">\n\nI’m talking about the people who pretend they are devoted to it. Ik people can enjoy something but not obsessive over it",
">\n\nThe best way to enjoy classical music is to hear it live. I go to concerts a few times a year, but yeah listening to it all the time? I have a playlist but it aint my most played.",
">\n\nI find it hard to believe for someone that doesn't play any classical instrument, but for people who do I can believe it. It's a lot easier to develop an appreciation for classical music when you play classical instruments or study music.",
">\n\nLmao, Canon in D is a meme among classical musicians and listeners. If you think that all classical music is like that, it's no wonder you can't believe anyone would enjoy listening to it.",
">\n\nIt made the OP lose all credibility beyond the already shit opinion to begin with.",
">\n\nDumb take.",
">\n\nI was listening to Beethoven and Schubert like crazy at 15. Ironically, I stopped listening after 18/19 but will still sometimes go back. I even acquired a taste for Chopin, Mozart, Vivaldi, and Liszt during those years.",
">\n\nMe and my younger sibling often listen to classical FM when we drive. Most of my youtube follows are classical musicians as well, and yet I don't play an instrument. It's a valid genre.",
">\n\nA NY classical station had a fund drive many years ago. They said if enough people pledged in the next hour, they would not play the Canon in D.",
">\n\nI do every now and then. If it's not reggae it's classical. I'm a firm believer that music has an effect on you and I've noticed these 2 always mellow me out",
">\n\nHonestly it calms us down when we listen. I can't listen to loud crap anymore. I'm 40 for the record. Also, we've gotten our kids used to listening to it while they do their homework. It calls them down too and gets them to focus",
">\n\nWell, I got Bach to Black Sabbath, Debussy to Daft Punk, Tansen (look him up) to Tender, and a whole lotta other things on my list. My playlist contains music of different era/decades, genres, and languages. I understand/speak 5 languages. Depending on my mood, I blast whatever the hell I want, and it doesnt really matter what anyone thinks about it or belives it or not lol \n(\"Science teacher\" 🙄🙄🙄 Buddy, I listened to Mozart while painting when I was in high school). People dont ALWAYS do the things they're into. I don't draw/paint/hike/shoot photos/travel/listen to my fav music/read books/stargaze/make or build stuff etc everyday :/ It doesnt mean I'm not into them. I'm an Administrator by profession, and it means jackshit in this regard, because one's job title/profession isnt who they are as a person, it's not their personality, and it has little to do with everything they enjoy/are interested in in their personal life.",
">\n\nI don't think there's any need to doubt someone who lists classic music among their interests, just because you've observed the fairly obvious, that this category of music is engaged with differently than pop music and other rarely all-instrumental genres.\nWhile I have absolutely driven down the street with classical music on blast, what I'm not doing in that situation is singing along with it. For, again, obvious reasons. And because \"kill the wabbit, kill the wabbit\" really only fits that one piece of music. And because I can't hit those opera notes.\nAnd can I rattle off my favorite pieces Mozart wrote, by opus and movement? No, I'd have to go to my playlist for that. So knowing that I would be put on the spot, here, I wouldn't similarly interrogate someone else who expresses a fondness for classic music. Doesn't mean they're favorites any less than Love Is The Drug by Roxy Music or House of the Rising Sun by The Animals.\nSymphonies have their slower movements, which can almost disappear into environmental noise, and operas have their sections that are exposition or conversation put to music. I can generally only put one on, rather than a curated playlist of the crowd-pleasing moments, when I'm in a very particular headspace.\nReally, I think classical music is just an overly broad term.\nSome of my favorite tracks that music services lump together as part of the genre are works meant to replicate the jovial arrangements that might have been played at court for festivals in the Middle Ages, which I got into when playing Europa Universalis 1 & 2.\nAnd these are nothing like the music of the Baroque era, and later the Romantic period, and even later works by artists recording new orchestral music in the 20th century. Let alone contemporary flamenco guitar pieces from Spain. Even before widening our scope beyond Europe to what is generally, again, lumped together as World Music.\nIt all makes for a very imposing \"genre\" to approach and identify with, and I respect someone who makes an effort. Either because they like the challenge it represents to engage with beyond a \"Classical Music At The Movies\" compilation, or because without any kind of grounding in musical theory, they nevertheless can appreciate, as audiences have for centuries, really well written and conducted orchestral pieces, or the stripped-down chamber music versions of the same.",
">\n\nYou clearly haven’t met my cats. They listen to jazz and classical… although the romance period is a bit to energetic. They prefer contemporary or classical for focus/relaxation.",
">\n\nThey sound cool asf",
">\n\nEver since the pandemic I’ve only been listening to Classical Japanese music. I particularly like the jiuta songs. I have no idea what’s going on anymore with current music. I’m sure at some point that will change but for now it is what it is.",
">\n\nwasaait, what's wrong with reading? it's mid January, I'm finishing my second book already\ndude wtf? it's not even an opinion, don't judge people by your low standards",
">\n\n100% agree. I was this guy at 15. I only listened to the most technical of death metal bands and classical because my taste in music was so refined and superior to all the sheep around me listening to their bubble gum pop and hip hop. Fuckin cringe lookin back at that time in my life. And guess how much classical I actually listened to? basically none.",
">\n\nThis is exactly what I’m talking about!",
">\n\nWhat era are you defining as “classical”? Because it’s not a monolith or single era. What people call “classical” music falls under one of several era/genre umbrellas: Baroque, Rococo, Neoclassic, etc.",
">\n\nWym 'baroque'? It's just an umbrella term, do you mean italian baroque, german baroque, french baroque, spanish baroque or english baroque? Or are you going to tell me that there are people who REALLY think Purcell and Zelenka sound the same??\nYeah, let's stick to 'classic' for OP's discussion",
">\n\nAre there a lot of 15 year olds claiming to love classical music? Is this like... a real problem?\nAlso, who gives a fuck if people say they like classical music? What does that have to do with you? If a 15 year old tells you they like classical matter, your opinion on the matter means absolutely nothing.",
">\n\nAt the end of the day I’m just saying that don’t pretended to be someone else. Just be honest with yourself. And if you genuinely like classical and you’re not the demographic that I would assume like it then this post does not apply to you.",
">\n\nThis post applies to no one because you have no idea if people actually like classical or not, that's my point. There's no demographic.",
">\n\nLike I mentioned. That’s just my perception. Obviously I’m open to be proven wrong.",
">\n\nProve to me how you know someone is enough of a fan of classical music to pass your arbitrary and meaningless standards, oh gatekeeper of Mozart, defender of Bach.",
">\n\nFirst impression* that’s what I meant. Not perception. Whoops. I feel like you’re taking this personally man. It’s not that serious.",
">\n\nWhy post in the first place?",
">\n\nSoon 80s will be Classic.\nThey are already timeless",
">\n\nOP also thinks no one likes salad. They only say so because people will perceive them as healthier than they actually are.",
">\n\ni genuinely love classical music and reading and working out",
">\n\nMsny guys will ask you out now according to OP."
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I do listen to it regularly when I need to focus on work but don’t want complete silence. It’s not a “favorite” genre, but it is one of my top 5 most-listened to genres.
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"What does being a science teacher have to do with it?",
">\n\nOP is an idiot 😂",
">\n\nCorrect answer. OP knows nothing about science or classical music so presumes they are related.",
">\n\nI think the problem is when someone says they like doing something, most people think that means they’re always doing it or doing it hard, or like you, they think people need to be blasting music out of their car for 5 hours straight. I’m not always listening to my favorite music or favorite genres and songs. I like classical music and listen to it but I’m not playing it every day or even every week. I love snowboarding but I don’t go every week or spend a whole weekend snowboarding. I have a lot of favorites, too 3s and things I love doing that I haven’t actively engaged with for years",
">\n\nI know what you mean. I’m not talking about the people that do it occasionally and say they like it. Like I like ice skating. But I maybe do it a few times a year. But I wouldn’t say it’s a main hobby or anything.\nI’m talking about the people who insist they listen to classical music like crazy. Like it’s in their top 3 favorite genres.",
">\n\nTrue, I guess maybe if they constantly post about it, I do know a guy who does this with jazz music, he insists that he’s a huge jazz fanatic and constantly posts about it on social media. The way he posts about makes me assume he’s not as crazy about it as he really is, I used to be close to him too, I know for sure he’s never gone to a jazz concert or event. So from that angle I do get you. \nBut I would probably put classical in my top 3, but can’t say I can easily name tracks or tunes. I just prefer the sound overall. I don’t think putting something in your top 3 means you have to be all about that life though.",
">\n\nIm in my mid 30s and I sure do. It relaxes me a lot.",
">\n\nIt’s one of the most popular genres of music in the world and has been around for 100s of years. Maybe you should give it a try instead of whatever you’re attempting with this post.\nPS I blast Canon in D in my car.\nPPS I am not a science teacher.",
">\n\n\nPS I blast Canon in D in my car.\n\ncellists' rage intensifies",
">\n\nHave you missed Two set violin? They pretty much made classical music cool again.",
">\n\nEngineer here. Classical was my second most listened to genre on Spotify. Classic rock, classical, blues. My teen daughter also loves the same genres. Will say it trends more towards modern composers like Hans Zimmer, John Williams and such but occasionally Holst, Mendelssohn, etc. And yes, will even listen to such in the car.",
">\n\nHolst is one of my favorites! I love The Planets.",
">\n\nThe planets are incredible. Jupiter is one of the best pieces of music I have ever played. And Mars and Jupiter are so fun to listen to",
">\n\nI do. The songs have a complexity and a cadence to them that modern music lacks.\nI like modern music too, but classical is different in a way that is good. Bach songs remind me of spring.\nI wish modern musicians would make classical style music. I feel a lot of genres, especially trance and techno, would benefit a lot from it.",
">\n\nI am a former professional classical musician. I have my BS and have even published a book. The problem is:\n\nThe public's concept of music is shaped almost entirely by modern (post-1960's) popular music. The expectations they bring to music is shaped almost entirely by hip-hop/rock/pop. For the most part, and I know this is a generalization, this is music that is 3 to 5 minutes long, doesn't change key, is built almost entirely by repeating the same 3-4 phrases, and has lyrics. Most of the public just doesn't have the patience for an 8 to 10 minute movement of a sonata/symphony that might not even repeat a musical idea more than once, that is entirely instrumental. Indeed, it took me a long time to enjoy listening to classical music, because I just wasn't used to giving music that much of my attention span. \n\nWhen it comes down to it, most classical music, as well as most highbrow music from around the world, asks a lot out of the listener. The majority of people just aren't used to paying close attention for long periods of time. I think this is understandable. Just don't tell me how much you love Tchaikovsky after you turn him off after 3 minutes. \n\nThis one is going to be controversial, but in my experience, its true. People tend to associate music with stereotypes. Even I am guilty of this. I am often hesitant to embrace EDM because I picture rave kids with pacifiers and glow sticks. Not judging you if that's your thing, but that's something I don't want to be associated with. I know that's a stereotype and I'm sure there's many different fashion choices people make when attending EDM events, but I just don't relate to the community of people who enjoy this music, and that gets in the way of my enjoyment of it.\n\nThe same logic can be applied to classical music. Many people hear composers as disparate as Bach, Beethoven, and Debussy, and their minds immediately go to conservative old white people. Historically, the kind of people who enjoy classical music have the stereotype of not being sexy or hip. That's just not a community people want to identify with. I've seen a plethora of youtube videos that even call classical music racist. As outrageous as it might seem, many people are buying into that idea, and that makes them hesitant to embrace this kind of music. \nWhen it comes down to it, contemporary culture imposes the idea of music onto the public in ways that keep them from genuinely enjoying classical music. You have to re-conceptualize your idea of music in order to bring the expectations required to find this music enjoyable. To be fair, much of this music was written for people who were educated in the appreciation of culture and the arts. These kinds of people knew what to listen for and knew what assumptions to make when listening to something titled \"fugue\" or \"rondo\". \nNot saying it's a bad thing that this kind of audience doesn't really exist in large numbers anymore, but it's unfortunate that so many people are quick to call that kind informed listening \"snobbery\".",
">\n\nWell said. The domination of pop music is stifling to the understanding of Classical. The delivery system of streaming services doesn't help. Everything is a \"song\" now.",
">\n\nBelieve me when I say I listen to classical. Do I do it often tho? No",
">\n\n\"I do something\" and 'I'm a total devoted / obsessed fanboy\" isn't the same thing.\nThis is gatekeeping.",
">\n\nI’m talking about the people who pretend they are devoted to it. Ik people can enjoy something but not obsessive over it",
">\n\nThe best way to enjoy classical music is to hear it live. I go to concerts a few times a year, but yeah listening to it all the time? I have a playlist but it aint my most played.",
">\n\nI find it hard to believe for someone that doesn't play any classical instrument, but for people who do I can believe it. It's a lot easier to develop an appreciation for classical music when you play classical instruments or study music.",
">\n\nLmao, Canon in D is a meme among classical musicians and listeners. If you think that all classical music is like that, it's no wonder you can't believe anyone would enjoy listening to it.",
">\n\nIt made the OP lose all credibility beyond the already shit opinion to begin with.",
">\n\nDumb take.",
">\n\nI was listening to Beethoven and Schubert like crazy at 15. Ironically, I stopped listening after 18/19 but will still sometimes go back. I even acquired a taste for Chopin, Mozart, Vivaldi, and Liszt during those years.",
">\n\nMe and my younger sibling often listen to classical FM when we drive. Most of my youtube follows are classical musicians as well, and yet I don't play an instrument. It's a valid genre.",
">\n\nA NY classical station had a fund drive many years ago. They said if enough people pledged in the next hour, they would not play the Canon in D.",
">\n\nI do every now and then. If it's not reggae it's classical. I'm a firm believer that music has an effect on you and I've noticed these 2 always mellow me out",
">\n\nHonestly it calms us down when we listen. I can't listen to loud crap anymore. I'm 40 for the record. Also, we've gotten our kids used to listening to it while they do their homework. It calls them down too and gets them to focus",
">\n\nWell, I got Bach to Black Sabbath, Debussy to Daft Punk, Tansen (look him up) to Tender, and a whole lotta other things on my list. My playlist contains music of different era/decades, genres, and languages. I understand/speak 5 languages. Depending on my mood, I blast whatever the hell I want, and it doesnt really matter what anyone thinks about it or belives it or not lol \n(\"Science teacher\" 🙄🙄🙄 Buddy, I listened to Mozart while painting when I was in high school). People dont ALWAYS do the things they're into. I don't draw/paint/hike/shoot photos/travel/listen to my fav music/read books/stargaze/make or build stuff etc everyday :/ It doesnt mean I'm not into them. I'm an Administrator by profession, and it means jackshit in this regard, because one's job title/profession isnt who they are as a person, it's not their personality, and it has little to do with everything they enjoy/are interested in in their personal life.",
">\n\nI don't think there's any need to doubt someone who lists classic music among their interests, just because you've observed the fairly obvious, that this category of music is engaged with differently than pop music and other rarely all-instrumental genres.\nWhile I have absolutely driven down the street with classical music on blast, what I'm not doing in that situation is singing along with it. For, again, obvious reasons. And because \"kill the wabbit, kill the wabbit\" really only fits that one piece of music. And because I can't hit those opera notes.\nAnd can I rattle off my favorite pieces Mozart wrote, by opus and movement? No, I'd have to go to my playlist for that. So knowing that I would be put on the spot, here, I wouldn't similarly interrogate someone else who expresses a fondness for classic music. Doesn't mean they're favorites any less than Love Is The Drug by Roxy Music or House of the Rising Sun by The Animals.\nSymphonies have their slower movements, which can almost disappear into environmental noise, and operas have their sections that are exposition or conversation put to music. I can generally only put one on, rather than a curated playlist of the crowd-pleasing moments, when I'm in a very particular headspace.\nReally, I think classical music is just an overly broad term.\nSome of my favorite tracks that music services lump together as part of the genre are works meant to replicate the jovial arrangements that might have been played at court for festivals in the Middle Ages, which I got into when playing Europa Universalis 1 & 2.\nAnd these are nothing like the music of the Baroque era, and later the Romantic period, and even later works by artists recording new orchestral music in the 20th century. Let alone contemporary flamenco guitar pieces from Spain. Even before widening our scope beyond Europe to what is generally, again, lumped together as World Music.\nIt all makes for a very imposing \"genre\" to approach and identify with, and I respect someone who makes an effort. Either because they like the challenge it represents to engage with beyond a \"Classical Music At The Movies\" compilation, or because without any kind of grounding in musical theory, they nevertheless can appreciate, as audiences have for centuries, really well written and conducted orchestral pieces, or the stripped-down chamber music versions of the same.",
">\n\nYou clearly haven’t met my cats. They listen to jazz and classical… although the romance period is a bit to energetic. They prefer contemporary or classical for focus/relaxation.",
">\n\nThey sound cool asf",
">\n\nEver since the pandemic I’ve only been listening to Classical Japanese music. I particularly like the jiuta songs. I have no idea what’s going on anymore with current music. I’m sure at some point that will change but for now it is what it is.",
">\n\nwasaait, what's wrong with reading? it's mid January, I'm finishing my second book already\ndude wtf? it's not even an opinion, don't judge people by your low standards",
">\n\n100% agree. I was this guy at 15. I only listened to the most technical of death metal bands and classical because my taste in music was so refined and superior to all the sheep around me listening to their bubble gum pop and hip hop. Fuckin cringe lookin back at that time in my life. And guess how much classical I actually listened to? basically none.",
">\n\nThis is exactly what I’m talking about!",
">\n\nWhat era are you defining as “classical”? Because it’s not a monolith or single era. What people call “classical” music falls under one of several era/genre umbrellas: Baroque, Rococo, Neoclassic, etc.",
">\n\nWym 'baroque'? It's just an umbrella term, do you mean italian baroque, german baroque, french baroque, spanish baroque or english baroque? Or are you going to tell me that there are people who REALLY think Purcell and Zelenka sound the same??\nYeah, let's stick to 'classic' for OP's discussion",
">\n\nAre there a lot of 15 year olds claiming to love classical music? Is this like... a real problem?\nAlso, who gives a fuck if people say they like classical music? What does that have to do with you? If a 15 year old tells you they like classical matter, your opinion on the matter means absolutely nothing.",
">\n\nAt the end of the day I’m just saying that don’t pretended to be someone else. Just be honest with yourself. And if you genuinely like classical and you’re not the demographic that I would assume like it then this post does not apply to you.",
">\n\nThis post applies to no one because you have no idea if people actually like classical or not, that's my point. There's no demographic.",
">\n\nLike I mentioned. That’s just my perception. Obviously I’m open to be proven wrong.",
">\n\nProve to me how you know someone is enough of a fan of classical music to pass your arbitrary and meaningless standards, oh gatekeeper of Mozart, defender of Bach.",
">\n\nFirst impression* that’s what I meant. Not perception. Whoops. I feel like you’re taking this personally man. It’s not that serious.",
">\n\nWhy post in the first place?",
">\n\nSoon 80s will be Classic.\nThey are already timeless",
">\n\nOP also thinks no one likes salad. They only say so because people will perceive them as healthier than they actually are.",
">\n\ni genuinely love classical music and reading and working out",
">\n\nMsny guys will ask you out now according to OP.",
">\n\nI mean I take lessons for Opera singing so yeah it's part of it. I listen to almost every genre"
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I'm listening to classical music since I've been 12 and I even remember hearing Grieg - In the Hall of the Mountain King and asking the teacher for the title so I can listen to it at home. I'm 19 now and neither a science teacher nor I can play any instrument. "20yo boi that plays guitar n stuff" don't believe you either
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"What does being a science teacher have to do with it?",
">\n\nOP is an idiot 😂",
">\n\nCorrect answer. OP knows nothing about science or classical music so presumes they are related.",
">\n\nI think the problem is when someone says they like doing something, most people think that means they’re always doing it or doing it hard, or like you, they think people need to be blasting music out of their car for 5 hours straight. I’m not always listening to my favorite music or favorite genres and songs. I like classical music and listen to it but I’m not playing it every day or even every week. I love snowboarding but I don’t go every week or spend a whole weekend snowboarding. I have a lot of favorites, too 3s and things I love doing that I haven’t actively engaged with for years",
">\n\nI know what you mean. I’m not talking about the people that do it occasionally and say they like it. Like I like ice skating. But I maybe do it a few times a year. But I wouldn’t say it’s a main hobby or anything.\nI’m talking about the people who insist they listen to classical music like crazy. Like it’s in their top 3 favorite genres.",
">\n\nTrue, I guess maybe if they constantly post about it, I do know a guy who does this with jazz music, he insists that he’s a huge jazz fanatic and constantly posts about it on social media. The way he posts about makes me assume he’s not as crazy about it as he really is, I used to be close to him too, I know for sure he’s never gone to a jazz concert or event. So from that angle I do get you. \nBut I would probably put classical in my top 3, but can’t say I can easily name tracks or tunes. I just prefer the sound overall. I don’t think putting something in your top 3 means you have to be all about that life though.",
">\n\nIm in my mid 30s and I sure do. It relaxes me a lot.",
">\n\nIt’s one of the most popular genres of music in the world and has been around for 100s of years. Maybe you should give it a try instead of whatever you’re attempting with this post.\nPS I blast Canon in D in my car.\nPPS I am not a science teacher.",
">\n\n\nPS I blast Canon in D in my car.\n\ncellists' rage intensifies",
">\n\nHave you missed Two set violin? They pretty much made classical music cool again.",
">\n\nEngineer here. Classical was my second most listened to genre on Spotify. Classic rock, classical, blues. My teen daughter also loves the same genres. Will say it trends more towards modern composers like Hans Zimmer, John Williams and such but occasionally Holst, Mendelssohn, etc. And yes, will even listen to such in the car.",
">\n\nHolst is one of my favorites! I love The Planets.",
">\n\nThe planets are incredible. Jupiter is one of the best pieces of music I have ever played. And Mars and Jupiter are so fun to listen to",
">\n\nI do. The songs have a complexity and a cadence to them that modern music lacks.\nI like modern music too, but classical is different in a way that is good. Bach songs remind me of spring.\nI wish modern musicians would make classical style music. I feel a lot of genres, especially trance and techno, would benefit a lot from it.",
">\n\nI am a former professional classical musician. I have my BS and have even published a book. The problem is:\n\nThe public's concept of music is shaped almost entirely by modern (post-1960's) popular music. The expectations they bring to music is shaped almost entirely by hip-hop/rock/pop. For the most part, and I know this is a generalization, this is music that is 3 to 5 minutes long, doesn't change key, is built almost entirely by repeating the same 3-4 phrases, and has lyrics. Most of the public just doesn't have the patience for an 8 to 10 minute movement of a sonata/symphony that might not even repeat a musical idea more than once, that is entirely instrumental. Indeed, it took me a long time to enjoy listening to classical music, because I just wasn't used to giving music that much of my attention span. \n\nWhen it comes down to it, most classical music, as well as most highbrow music from around the world, asks a lot out of the listener. The majority of people just aren't used to paying close attention for long periods of time. I think this is understandable. Just don't tell me how much you love Tchaikovsky after you turn him off after 3 minutes. \n\nThis one is going to be controversial, but in my experience, its true. People tend to associate music with stereotypes. Even I am guilty of this. I am often hesitant to embrace EDM because I picture rave kids with pacifiers and glow sticks. Not judging you if that's your thing, but that's something I don't want to be associated with. I know that's a stereotype and I'm sure there's many different fashion choices people make when attending EDM events, but I just don't relate to the community of people who enjoy this music, and that gets in the way of my enjoyment of it.\n\nThe same logic can be applied to classical music. Many people hear composers as disparate as Bach, Beethoven, and Debussy, and their minds immediately go to conservative old white people. Historically, the kind of people who enjoy classical music have the stereotype of not being sexy or hip. That's just not a community people want to identify with. I've seen a plethora of youtube videos that even call classical music racist. As outrageous as it might seem, many people are buying into that idea, and that makes them hesitant to embrace this kind of music. \nWhen it comes down to it, contemporary culture imposes the idea of music onto the public in ways that keep them from genuinely enjoying classical music. You have to re-conceptualize your idea of music in order to bring the expectations required to find this music enjoyable. To be fair, much of this music was written for people who were educated in the appreciation of culture and the arts. These kinds of people knew what to listen for and knew what assumptions to make when listening to something titled \"fugue\" or \"rondo\". \nNot saying it's a bad thing that this kind of audience doesn't really exist in large numbers anymore, but it's unfortunate that so many people are quick to call that kind informed listening \"snobbery\".",
">\n\nWell said. The domination of pop music is stifling to the understanding of Classical. The delivery system of streaming services doesn't help. Everything is a \"song\" now.",
">\n\nBelieve me when I say I listen to classical. Do I do it often tho? No",
">\n\n\"I do something\" and 'I'm a total devoted / obsessed fanboy\" isn't the same thing.\nThis is gatekeeping.",
">\n\nI’m talking about the people who pretend they are devoted to it. Ik people can enjoy something but not obsessive over it",
">\n\nThe best way to enjoy classical music is to hear it live. I go to concerts a few times a year, but yeah listening to it all the time? I have a playlist but it aint my most played.",
">\n\nI find it hard to believe for someone that doesn't play any classical instrument, but for people who do I can believe it. It's a lot easier to develop an appreciation for classical music when you play classical instruments or study music.",
">\n\nLmao, Canon in D is a meme among classical musicians and listeners. If you think that all classical music is like that, it's no wonder you can't believe anyone would enjoy listening to it.",
">\n\nIt made the OP lose all credibility beyond the already shit opinion to begin with.",
">\n\nDumb take.",
">\n\nI was listening to Beethoven and Schubert like crazy at 15. Ironically, I stopped listening after 18/19 but will still sometimes go back. I even acquired a taste for Chopin, Mozart, Vivaldi, and Liszt during those years.",
">\n\nMe and my younger sibling often listen to classical FM when we drive. Most of my youtube follows are classical musicians as well, and yet I don't play an instrument. It's a valid genre.",
">\n\nA NY classical station had a fund drive many years ago. They said if enough people pledged in the next hour, they would not play the Canon in D.",
">\n\nI do every now and then. If it's not reggae it's classical. I'm a firm believer that music has an effect on you and I've noticed these 2 always mellow me out",
">\n\nHonestly it calms us down when we listen. I can't listen to loud crap anymore. I'm 40 for the record. Also, we've gotten our kids used to listening to it while they do their homework. It calls them down too and gets them to focus",
">\n\nWell, I got Bach to Black Sabbath, Debussy to Daft Punk, Tansen (look him up) to Tender, and a whole lotta other things on my list. My playlist contains music of different era/decades, genres, and languages. I understand/speak 5 languages. Depending on my mood, I blast whatever the hell I want, and it doesnt really matter what anyone thinks about it or belives it or not lol \n(\"Science teacher\" 🙄🙄🙄 Buddy, I listened to Mozart while painting when I was in high school). People dont ALWAYS do the things they're into. I don't draw/paint/hike/shoot photos/travel/listen to my fav music/read books/stargaze/make or build stuff etc everyday :/ It doesnt mean I'm not into them. I'm an Administrator by profession, and it means jackshit in this regard, because one's job title/profession isnt who they are as a person, it's not their personality, and it has little to do with everything they enjoy/are interested in in their personal life.",
">\n\nI don't think there's any need to doubt someone who lists classic music among their interests, just because you've observed the fairly obvious, that this category of music is engaged with differently than pop music and other rarely all-instrumental genres.\nWhile I have absolutely driven down the street with classical music on blast, what I'm not doing in that situation is singing along with it. For, again, obvious reasons. And because \"kill the wabbit, kill the wabbit\" really only fits that one piece of music. And because I can't hit those opera notes.\nAnd can I rattle off my favorite pieces Mozart wrote, by opus and movement? No, I'd have to go to my playlist for that. So knowing that I would be put on the spot, here, I wouldn't similarly interrogate someone else who expresses a fondness for classic music. Doesn't mean they're favorites any less than Love Is The Drug by Roxy Music or House of the Rising Sun by The Animals.\nSymphonies have their slower movements, which can almost disappear into environmental noise, and operas have their sections that are exposition or conversation put to music. I can generally only put one on, rather than a curated playlist of the crowd-pleasing moments, when I'm in a very particular headspace.\nReally, I think classical music is just an overly broad term.\nSome of my favorite tracks that music services lump together as part of the genre are works meant to replicate the jovial arrangements that might have been played at court for festivals in the Middle Ages, which I got into when playing Europa Universalis 1 & 2.\nAnd these are nothing like the music of the Baroque era, and later the Romantic period, and even later works by artists recording new orchestral music in the 20th century. Let alone contemporary flamenco guitar pieces from Spain. Even before widening our scope beyond Europe to what is generally, again, lumped together as World Music.\nIt all makes for a very imposing \"genre\" to approach and identify with, and I respect someone who makes an effort. Either because they like the challenge it represents to engage with beyond a \"Classical Music At The Movies\" compilation, or because without any kind of grounding in musical theory, they nevertheless can appreciate, as audiences have for centuries, really well written and conducted orchestral pieces, or the stripped-down chamber music versions of the same.",
">\n\nYou clearly haven’t met my cats. They listen to jazz and classical… although the romance period is a bit to energetic. They prefer contemporary or classical for focus/relaxation.",
">\n\nThey sound cool asf",
">\n\nEver since the pandemic I’ve only been listening to Classical Japanese music. I particularly like the jiuta songs. I have no idea what’s going on anymore with current music. I’m sure at some point that will change but for now it is what it is.",
">\n\nwasaait, what's wrong with reading? it's mid January, I'm finishing my second book already\ndude wtf? it's not even an opinion, don't judge people by your low standards",
">\n\n100% agree. I was this guy at 15. I only listened to the most technical of death metal bands and classical because my taste in music was so refined and superior to all the sheep around me listening to their bubble gum pop and hip hop. Fuckin cringe lookin back at that time in my life. And guess how much classical I actually listened to? basically none.",
">\n\nThis is exactly what I’m talking about!",
">\n\nWhat era are you defining as “classical”? Because it’s not a monolith or single era. What people call “classical” music falls under one of several era/genre umbrellas: Baroque, Rococo, Neoclassic, etc.",
">\n\nWym 'baroque'? It's just an umbrella term, do you mean italian baroque, german baroque, french baroque, spanish baroque or english baroque? Or are you going to tell me that there are people who REALLY think Purcell and Zelenka sound the same??\nYeah, let's stick to 'classic' for OP's discussion",
">\n\nAre there a lot of 15 year olds claiming to love classical music? Is this like... a real problem?\nAlso, who gives a fuck if people say they like classical music? What does that have to do with you? If a 15 year old tells you they like classical matter, your opinion on the matter means absolutely nothing.",
">\n\nAt the end of the day I’m just saying that don’t pretended to be someone else. Just be honest with yourself. And if you genuinely like classical and you’re not the demographic that I would assume like it then this post does not apply to you.",
">\n\nThis post applies to no one because you have no idea if people actually like classical or not, that's my point. There's no demographic.",
">\n\nLike I mentioned. That’s just my perception. Obviously I’m open to be proven wrong.",
">\n\nProve to me how you know someone is enough of a fan of classical music to pass your arbitrary and meaningless standards, oh gatekeeper of Mozart, defender of Bach.",
">\n\nFirst impression* that’s what I meant. Not perception. Whoops. I feel like you’re taking this personally man. It’s not that serious.",
">\n\nWhy post in the first place?",
">\n\nSoon 80s will be Classic.\nThey are already timeless",
">\n\nOP also thinks no one likes salad. They only say so because people will perceive them as healthier than they actually are.",
">\n\ni genuinely love classical music and reading and working out",
">\n\nMsny guys will ask you out now according to OP.",
">\n\nI mean I take lessons for Opera singing so yeah it's part of it. I listen to almost every genre",
">\n\nI do listen to it regularly when I need to focus on work but don’t want complete silence. It’s not a “favorite” genre, but it is one of my top 5 most-listened to genres."
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I mean if that’s what you wanna believe sure. That’s your first impression. That’s fair. Just like how my first impression when most people tell me they’re a huge fan of classical music I don’t believe them initially.
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"What does being a science teacher have to do with it?",
">\n\nOP is an idiot 😂",
">\n\nCorrect answer. OP knows nothing about science or classical music so presumes they are related.",
">\n\nI think the problem is when someone says they like doing something, most people think that means they’re always doing it or doing it hard, or like you, they think people need to be blasting music out of their car for 5 hours straight. I’m not always listening to my favorite music or favorite genres and songs. I like classical music and listen to it but I’m not playing it every day or even every week. I love snowboarding but I don’t go every week or spend a whole weekend snowboarding. I have a lot of favorites, too 3s and things I love doing that I haven’t actively engaged with for years",
">\n\nI know what you mean. I’m not talking about the people that do it occasionally and say they like it. Like I like ice skating. But I maybe do it a few times a year. But I wouldn’t say it’s a main hobby or anything.\nI’m talking about the people who insist they listen to classical music like crazy. Like it’s in their top 3 favorite genres.",
">\n\nTrue, I guess maybe if they constantly post about it, I do know a guy who does this with jazz music, he insists that he’s a huge jazz fanatic and constantly posts about it on social media. The way he posts about makes me assume he’s not as crazy about it as he really is, I used to be close to him too, I know for sure he’s never gone to a jazz concert or event. So from that angle I do get you. \nBut I would probably put classical in my top 3, but can’t say I can easily name tracks or tunes. I just prefer the sound overall. I don’t think putting something in your top 3 means you have to be all about that life though.",
">\n\nIm in my mid 30s and I sure do. It relaxes me a lot.",
">\n\nIt’s one of the most popular genres of music in the world and has been around for 100s of years. Maybe you should give it a try instead of whatever you’re attempting with this post.\nPS I blast Canon in D in my car.\nPPS I am not a science teacher.",
">\n\n\nPS I blast Canon in D in my car.\n\ncellists' rage intensifies",
">\n\nHave you missed Two set violin? They pretty much made classical music cool again.",
">\n\nEngineer here. Classical was my second most listened to genre on Spotify. Classic rock, classical, blues. My teen daughter also loves the same genres. Will say it trends more towards modern composers like Hans Zimmer, John Williams and such but occasionally Holst, Mendelssohn, etc. And yes, will even listen to such in the car.",
">\n\nHolst is one of my favorites! I love The Planets.",
">\n\nThe planets are incredible. Jupiter is one of the best pieces of music I have ever played. And Mars and Jupiter are so fun to listen to",
">\n\nI do. The songs have a complexity and a cadence to them that modern music lacks.\nI like modern music too, but classical is different in a way that is good. Bach songs remind me of spring.\nI wish modern musicians would make classical style music. I feel a lot of genres, especially trance and techno, would benefit a lot from it.",
">\n\nI am a former professional classical musician. I have my BS and have even published a book. The problem is:\n\nThe public's concept of music is shaped almost entirely by modern (post-1960's) popular music. The expectations they bring to music is shaped almost entirely by hip-hop/rock/pop. For the most part, and I know this is a generalization, this is music that is 3 to 5 minutes long, doesn't change key, is built almost entirely by repeating the same 3-4 phrases, and has lyrics. Most of the public just doesn't have the patience for an 8 to 10 minute movement of a sonata/symphony that might not even repeat a musical idea more than once, that is entirely instrumental. Indeed, it took me a long time to enjoy listening to classical music, because I just wasn't used to giving music that much of my attention span. \n\nWhen it comes down to it, most classical music, as well as most highbrow music from around the world, asks a lot out of the listener. The majority of people just aren't used to paying close attention for long periods of time. I think this is understandable. Just don't tell me how much you love Tchaikovsky after you turn him off after 3 minutes. \n\nThis one is going to be controversial, but in my experience, its true. People tend to associate music with stereotypes. Even I am guilty of this. I am often hesitant to embrace EDM because I picture rave kids with pacifiers and glow sticks. Not judging you if that's your thing, but that's something I don't want to be associated with. I know that's a stereotype and I'm sure there's many different fashion choices people make when attending EDM events, but I just don't relate to the community of people who enjoy this music, and that gets in the way of my enjoyment of it.\n\nThe same logic can be applied to classical music. Many people hear composers as disparate as Bach, Beethoven, and Debussy, and their minds immediately go to conservative old white people. Historically, the kind of people who enjoy classical music have the stereotype of not being sexy or hip. That's just not a community people want to identify with. I've seen a plethora of youtube videos that even call classical music racist. As outrageous as it might seem, many people are buying into that idea, and that makes them hesitant to embrace this kind of music. \nWhen it comes down to it, contemporary culture imposes the idea of music onto the public in ways that keep them from genuinely enjoying classical music. You have to re-conceptualize your idea of music in order to bring the expectations required to find this music enjoyable. To be fair, much of this music was written for people who were educated in the appreciation of culture and the arts. These kinds of people knew what to listen for and knew what assumptions to make when listening to something titled \"fugue\" or \"rondo\". \nNot saying it's a bad thing that this kind of audience doesn't really exist in large numbers anymore, but it's unfortunate that so many people are quick to call that kind informed listening \"snobbery\".",
">\n\nWell said. The domination of pop music is stifling to the understanding of Classical. The delivery system of streaming services doesn't help. Everything is a \"song\" now.",
">\n\nBelieve me when I say I listen to classical. Do I do it often tho? No",
">\n\n\"I do something\" and 'I'm a total devoted / obsessed fanboy\" isn't the same thing.\nThis is gatekeeping.",
">\n\nI’m talking about the people who pretend they are devoted to it. Ik people can enjoy something but not obsessive over it",
">\n\nThe best way to enjoy classical music is to hear it live. I go to concerts a few times a year, but yeah listening to it all the time? I have a playlist but it aint my most played.",
">\n\nI find it hard to believe for someone that doesn't play any classical instrument, but for people who do I can believe it. It's a lot easier to develop an appreciation for classical music when you play classical instruments or study music.",
">\n\nLmao, Canon in D is a meme among classical musicians and listeners. If you think that all classical music is like that, it's no wonder you can't believe anyone would enjoy listening to it.",
">\n\nIt made the OP lose all credibility beyond the already shit opinion to begin with.",
">\n\nDumb take.",
">\n\nI was listening to Beethoven and Schubert like crazy at 15. Ironically, I stopped listening after 18/19 but will still sometimes go back. I even acquired a taste for Chopin, Mozart, Vivaldi, and Liszt during those years.",
">\n\nMe and my younger sibling often listen to classical FM when we drive. Most of my youtube follows are classical musicians as well, and yet I don't play an instrument. It's a valid genre.",
">\n\nA NY classical station had a fund drive many years ago. They said if enough people pledged in the next hour, they would not play the Canon in D.",
">\n\nI do every now and then. If it's not reggae it's classical. I'm a firm believer that music has an effect on you and I've noticed these 2 always mellow me out",
">\n\nHonestly it calms us down when we listen. I can't listen to loud crap anymore. I'm 40 for the record. Also, we've gotten our kids used to listening to it while they do their homework. It calls them down too and gets them to focus",
">\n\nWell, I got Bach to Black Sabbath, Debussy to Daft Punk, Tansen (look him up) to Tender, and a whole lotta other things on my list. My playlist contains music of different era/decades, genres, and languages. I understand/speak 5 languages. Depending on my mood, I blast whatever the hell I want, and it doesnt really matter what anyone thinks about it or belives it or not lol \n(\"Science teacher\" 🙄🙄🙄 Buddy, I listened to Mozart while painting when I was in high school). People dont ALWAYS do the things they're into. I don't draw/paint/hike/shoot photos/travel/listen to my fav music/read books/stargaze/make or build stuff etc everyday :/ It doesnt mean I'm not into them. I'm an Administrator by profession, and it means jackshit in this regard, because one's job title/profession isnt who they are as a person, it's not their personality, and it has little to do with everything they enjoy/are interested in in their personal life.",
">\n\nI don't think there's any need to doubt someone who lists classic music among their interests, just because you've observed the fairly obvious, that this category of music is engaged with differently than pop music and other rarely all-instrumental genres.\nWhile I have absolutely driven down the street with classical music on blast, what I'm not doing in that situation is singing along with it. For, again, obvious reasons. And because \"kill the wabbit, kill the wabbit\" really only fits that one piece of music. And because I can't hit those opera notes.\nAnd can I rattle off my favorite pieces Mozart wrote, by opus and movement? No, I'd have to go to my playlist for that. So knowing that I would be put on the spot, here, I wouldn't similarly interrogate someone else who expresses a fondness for classic music. Doesn't mean they're favorites any less than Love Is The Drug by Roxy Music or House of the Rising Sun by The Animals.\nSymphonies have their slower movements, which can almost disappear into environmental noise, and operas have their sections that are exposition or conversation put to music. I can generally only put one on, rather than a curated playlist of the crowd-pleasing moments, when I'm in a very particular headspace.\nReally, I think classical music is just an overly broad term.\nSome of my favorite tracks that music services lump together as part of the genre are works meant to replicate the jovial arrangements that might have been played at court for festivals in the Middle Ages, which I got into when playing Europa Universalis 1 & 2.\nAnd these are nothing like the music of the Baroque era, and later the Romantic period, and even later works by artists recording new orchestral music in the 20th century. Let alone contemporary flamenco guitar pieces from Spain. Even before widening our scope beyond Europe to what is generally, again, lumped together as World Music.\nIt all makes for a very imposing \"genre\" to approach and identify with, and I respect someone who makes an effort. Either because they like the challenge it represents to engage with beyond a \"Classical Music At The Movies\" compilation, or because without any kind of grounding in musical theory, they nevertheless can appreciate, as audiences have for centuries, really well written and conducted orchestral pieces, or the stripped-down chamber music versions of the same.",
">\n\nYou clearly haven’t met my cats. They listen to jazz and classical… although the romance period is a bit to energetic. They prefer contemporary or classical for focus/relaxation.",
">\n\nThey sound cool asf",
">\n\nEver since the pandemic I’ve only been listening to Classical Japanese music. I particularly like the jiuta songs. I have no idea what’s going on anymore with current music. I’m sure at some point that will change but for now it is what it is.",
">\n\nwasaait, what's wrong with reading? it's mid January, I'm finishing my second book already\ndude wtf? it's not even an opinion, don't judge people by your low standards",
">\n\n100% agree. I was this guy at 15. I only listened to the most technical of death metal bands and classical because my taste in music was so refined and superior to all the sheep around me listening to their bubble gum pop and hip hop. Fuckin cringe lookin back at that time in my life. And guess how much classical I actually listened to? basically none.",
">\n\nThis is exactly what I’m talking about!",
">\n\nWhat era are you defining as “classical”? Because it’s not a monolith or single era. What people call “classical” music falls under one of several era/genre umbrellas: Baroque, Rococo, Neoclassic, etc.",
">\n\nWym 'baroque'? It's just an umbrella term, do you mean italian baroque, german baroque, french baroque, spanish baroque or english baroque? Or are you going to tell me that there are people who REALLY think Purcell and Zelenka sound the same??\nYeah, let's stick to 'classic' for OP's discussion",
">\n\nAre there a lot of 15 year olds claiming to love classical music? Is this like... a real problem?\nAlso, who gives a fuck if people say they like classical music? What does that have to do with you? If a 15 year old tells you they like classical matter, your opinion on the matter means absolutely nothing.",
">\n\nAt the end of the day I’m just saying that don’t pretended to be someone else. Just be honest with yourself. And if you genuinely like classical and you’re not the demographic that I would assume like it then this post does not apply to you.",
">\n\nThis post applies to no one because you have no idea if people actually like classical or not, that's my point. There's no demographic.",
">\n\nLike I mentioned. That’s just my perception. Obviously I’m open to be proven wrong.",
">\n\nProve to me how you know someone is enough of a fan of classical music to pass your arbitrary and meaningless standards, oh gatekeeper of Mozart, defender of Bach.",
">\n\nFirst impression* that’s what I meant. Not perception. Whoops. I feel like you’re taking this personally man. It’s not that serious.",
">\n\nWhy post in the first place?",
">\n\nSoon 80s will be Classic.\nThey are already timeless",
">\n\nOP also thinks no one likes salad. They only say so because people will perceive them as healthier than they actually are.",
">\n\ni genuinely love classical music and reading and working out",
">\n\nMsny guys will ask you out now according to OP.",
">\n\nI mean I take lessons for Opera singing so yeah it's part of it. I listen to almost every genre",
">\n\nI do listen to it regularly when I need to focus on work but don’t want complete silence. It’s not a “favorite” genre, but it is one of my top 5 most-listened to genres.",
">\n\nI'm listening to classical music since I've been 12 and I even remember hearing Grieg - In the Hall of the Mountain King and asking the teacher for the title so I can listen to it at home. I'm 19 now and neither a science teacher nor I can play any instrument. \"20yo boi that plays guitar n stuff\" don't believe you either"
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Why do you care if they are telling the truth or not?
Don't make this affect you more than it should :)
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"What does being a science teacher have to do with it?",
">\n\nOP is an idiot 😂",
">\n\nCorrect answer. OP knows nothing about science or classical music so presumes they are related.",
">\n\nI think the problem is when someone says they like doing something, most people think that means they’re always doing it or doing it hard, or like you, they think people need to be blasting music out of their car for 5 hours straight. I’m not always listening to my favorite music or favorite genres and songs. I like classical music and listen to it but I’m not playing it every day or even every week. I love snowboarding but I don’t go every week or spend a whole weekend snowboarding. I have a lot of favorites, too 3s and things I love doing that I haven’t actively engaged with for years",
">\n\nI know what you mean. I’m not talking about the people that do it occasionally and say they like it. Like I like ice skating. But I maybe do it a few times a year. But I wouldn’t say it’s a main hobby or anything.\nI’m talking about the people who insist they listen to classical music like crazy. Like it’s in their top 3 favorite genres.",
">\n\nTrue, I guess maybe if they constantly post about it, I do know a guy who does this with jazz music, he insists that he’s a huge jazz fanatic and constantly posts about it on social media. The way he posts about makes me assume he’s not as crazy about it as he really is, I used to be close to him too, I know for sure he’s never gone to a jazz concert or event. So from that angle I do get you. \nBut I would probably put classical in my top 3, but can’t say I can easily name tracks or tunes. I just prefer the sound overall. I don’t think putting something in your top 3 means you have to be all about that life though.",
">\n\nIm in my mid 30s and I sure do. It relaxes me a lot.",
">\n\nIt’s one of the most popular genres of music in the world and has been around for 100s of years. Maybe you should give it a try instead of whatever you’re attempting with this post.\nPS I blast Canon in D in my car.\nPPS I am not a science teacher.",
">\n\n\nPS I blast Canon in D in my car.\n\ncellists' rage intensifies",
">\n\nHave you missed Two set violin? They pretty much made classical music cool again.",
">\n\nEngineer here. Classical was my second most listened to genre on Spotify. Classic rock, classical, blues. My teen daughter also loves the same genres. Will say it trends more towards modern composers like Hans Zimmer, John Williams and such but occasionally Holst, Mendelssohn, etc. And yes, will even listen to such in the car.",
">\n\nHolst is one of my favorites! I love The Planets.",
">\n\nThe planets are incredible. Jupiter is one of the best pieces of music I have ever played. And Mars and Jupiter are so fun to listen to",
">\n\nI do. The songs have a complexity and a cadence to them that modern music lacks.\nI like modern music too, but classical is different in a way that is good. Bach songs remind me of spring.\nI wish modern musicians would make classical style music. I feel a lot of genres, especially trance and techno, would benefit a lot from it.",
">\n\nI am a former professional classical musician. I have my BS and have even published a book. The problem is:\n\nThe public's concept of music is shaped almost entirely by modern (post-1960's) popular music. The expectations they bring to music is shaped almost entirely by hip-hop/rock/pop. For the most part, and I know this is a generalization, this is music that is 3 to 5 minutes long, doesn't change key, is built almost entirely by repeating the same 3-4 phrases, and has lyrics. Most of the public just doesn't have the patience for an 8 to 10 minute movement of a sonata/symphony that might not even repeat a musical idea more than once, that is entirely instrumental. Indeed, it took me a long time to enjoy listening to classical music, because I just wasn't used to giving music that much of my attention span. \n\nWhen it comes down to it, most classical music, as well as most highbrow music from around the world, asks a lot out of the listener. The majority of people just aren't used to paying close attention for long periods of time. I think this is understandable. Just don't tell me how much you love Tchaikovsky after you turn him off after 3 minutes. \n\nThis one is going to be controversial, but in my experience, its true. People tend to associate music with stereotypes. Even I am guilty of this. I am often hesitant to embrace EDM because I picture rave kids with pacifiers and glow sticks. Not judging you if that's your thing, but that's something I don't want to be associated with. I know that's a stereotype and I'm sure there's many different fashion choices people make when attending EDM events, but I just don't relate to the community of people who enjoy this music, and that gets in the way of my enjoyment of it.\n\nThe same logic can be applied to classical music. Many people hear composers as disparate as Bach, Beethoven, and Debussy, and their minds immediately go to conservative old white people. Historically, the kind of people who enjoy classical music have the stereotype of not being sexy or hip. That's just not a community people want to identify with. I've seen a plethora of youtube videos that even call classical music racist. As outrageous as it might seem, many people are buying into that idea, and that makes them hesitant to embrace this kind of music. \nWhen it comes down to it, contemporary culture imposes the idea of music onto the public in ways that keep them from genuinely enjoying classical music. You have to re-conceptualize your idea of music in order to bring the expectations required to find this music enjoyable. To be fair, much of this music was written for people who were educated in the appreciation of culture and the arts. These kinds of people knew what to listen for and knew what assumptions to make when listening to something titled \"fugue\" or \"rondo\". \nNot saying it's a bad thing that this kind of audience doesn't really exist in large numbers anymore, but it's unfortunate that so many people are quick to call that kind informed listening \"snobbery\".",
">\n\nWell said. The domination of pop music is stifling to the understanding of Classical. The delivery system of streaming services doesn't help. Everything is a \"song\" now.",
">\n\nBelieve me when I say I listen to classical. Do I do it often tho? No",
">\n\n\"I do something\" and 'I'm a total devoted / obsessed fanboy\" isn't the same thing.\nThis is gatekeeping.",
">\n\nI’m talking about the people who pretend they are devoted to it. Ik people can enjoy something but not obsessive over it",
">\n\nThe best way to enjoy classical music is to hear it live. I go to concerts a few times a year, but yeah listening to it all the time? I have a playlist but it aint my most played.",
">\n\nI find it hard to believe for someone that doesn't play any classical instrument, but for people who do I can believe it. It's a lot easier to develop an appreciation for classical music when you play classical instruments or study music.",
">\n\nLmao, Canon in D is a meme among classical musicians and listeners. If you think that all classical music is like that, it's no wonder you can't believe anyone would enjoy listening to it.",
">\n\nIt made the OP lose all credibility beyond the already shit opinion to begin with.",
">\n\nDumb take.",
">\n\nI was listening to Beethoven and Schubert like crazy at 15. Ironically, I stopped listening after 18/19 but will still sometimes go back. I even acquired a taste for Chopin, Mozart, Vivaldi, and Liszt during those years.",
">\n\nMe and my younger sibling often listen to classical FM when we drive. Most of my youtube follows are classical musicians as well, and yet I don't play an instrument. It's a valid genre.",
">\n\nA NY classical station had a fund drive many years ago. They said if enough people pledged in the next hour, they would not play the Canon in D.",
">\n\nI do every now and then. If it's not reggae it's classical. I'm a firm believer that music has an effect on you and I've noticed these 2 always mellow me out",
">\n\nHonestly it calms us down when we listen. I can't listen to loud crap anymore. I'm 40 for the record. Also, we've gotten our kids used to listening to it while they do their homework. It calls them down too and gets them to focus",
">\n\nWell, I got Bach to Black Sabbath, Debussy to Daft Punk, Tansen (look him up) to Tender, and a whole lotta other things on my list. My playlist contains music of different era/decades, genres, and languages. I understand/speak 5 languages. Depending on my mood, I blast whatever the hell I want, and it doesnt really matter what anyone thinks about it or belives it or not lol \n(\"Science teacher\" 🙄🙄🙄 Buddy, I listened to Mozart while painting when I was in high school). People dont ALWAYS do the things they're into. I don't draw/paint/hike/shoot photos/travel/listen to my fav music/read books/stargaze/make or build stuff etc everyday :/ It doesnt mean I'm not into them. I'm an Administrator by profession, and it means jackshit in this regard, because one's job title/profession isnt who they are as a person, it's not their personality, and it has little to do with everything they enjoy/are interested in in their personal life.",
">\n\nI don't think there's any need to doubt someone who lists classic music among their interests, just because you've observed the fairly obvious, that this category of music is engaged with differently than pop music and other rarely all-instrumental genres.\nWhile I have absolutely driven down the street with classical music on blast, what I'm not doing in that situation is singing along with it. For, again, obvious reasons. And because \"kill the wabbit, kill the wabbit\" really only fits that one piece of music. And because I can't hit those opera notes.\nAnd can I rattle off my favorite pieces Mozart wrote, by opus and movement? No, I'd have to go to my playlist for that. So knowing that I would be put on the spot, here, I wouldn't similarly interrogate someone else who expresses a fondness for classic music. Doesn't mean they're favorites any less than Love Is The Drug by Roxy Music or House of the Rising Sun by The Animals.\nSymphonies have their slower movements, which can almost disappear into environmental noise, and operas have their sections that are exposition or conversation put to music. I can generally only put one on, rather than a curated playlist of the crowd-pleasing moments, when I'm in a very particular headspace.\nReally, I think classical music is just an overly broad term.\nSome of my favorite tracks that music services lump together as part of the genre are works meant to replicate the jovial arrangements that might have been played at court for festivals in the Middle Ages, which I got into when playing Europa Universalis 1 & 2.\nAnd these are nothing like the music of the Baroque era, and later the Romantic period, and even later works by artists recording new orchestral music in the 20th century. Let alone contemporary flamenco guitar pieces from Spain. Even before widening our scope beyond Europe to what is generally, again, lumped together as World Music.\nIt all makes for a very imposing \"genre\" to approach and identify with, and I respect someone who makes an effort. Either because they like the challenge it represents to engage with beyond a \"Classical Music At The Movies\" compilation, or because without any kind of grounding in musical theory, they nevertheless can appreciate, as audiences have for centuries, really well written and conducted orchestral pieces, or the stripped-down chamber music versions of the same.",
">\n\nYou clearly haven’t met my cats. They listen to jazz and classical… although the romance period is a bit to energetic. They prefer contemporary or classical for focus/relaxation.",
">\n\nThey sound cool asf",
">\n\nEver since the pandemic I’ve only been listening to Classical Japanese music. I particularly like the jiuta songs. I have no idea what’s going on anymore with current music. I’m sure at some point that will change but for now it is what it is.",
">\n\nwasaait, what's wrong with reading? it's mid January, I'm finishing my second book already\ndude wtf? it's not even an opinion, don't judge people by your low standards",
">\n\n100% agree. I was this guy at 15. I only listened to the most technical of death metal bands and classical because my taste in music was so refined and superior to all the sheep around me listening to their bubble gum pop and hip hop. Fuckin cringe lookin back at that time in my life. And guess how much classical I actually listened to? basically none.",
">\n\nThis is exactly what I’m talking about!",
">\n\nWhat era are you defining as “classical”? Because it’s not a monolith or single era. What people call “classical” music falls under one of several era/genre umbrellas: Baroque, Rococo, Neoclassic, etc.",
">\n\nWym 'baroque'? It's just an umbrella term, do you mean italian baroque, german baroque, french baroque, spanish baroque or english baroque? Or are you going to tell me that there are people who REALLY think Purcell and Zelenka sound the same??\nYeah, let's stick to 'classic' for OP's discussion",
">\n\nAre there a lot of 15 year olds claiming to love classical music? Is this like... a real problem?\nAlso, who gives a fuck if people say they like classical music? What does that have to do with you? If a 15 year old tells you they like classical matter, your opinion on the matter means absolutely nothing.",
">\n\nAt the end of the day I’m just saying that don’t pretended to be someone else. Just be honest with yourself. And if you genuinely like classical and you’re not the demographic that I would assume like it then this post does not apply to you.",
">\n\nThis post applies to no one because you have no idea if people actually like classical or not, that's my point. There's no demographic.",
">\n\nLike I mentioned. That’s just my perception. Obviously I’m open to be proven wrong.",
">\n\nProve to me how you know someone is enough of a fan of classical music to pass your arbitrary and meaningless standards, oh gatekeeper of Mozart, defender of Bach.",
">\n\nFirst impression* that’s what I meant. Not perception. Whoops. I feel like you’re taking this personally man. It’s not that serious.",
">\n\nWhy post in the first place?",
">\n\nSoon 80s will be Classic.\nThey are already timeless",
">\n\nOP also thinks no one likes salad. They only say so because people will perceive them as healthier than they actually are.",
">\n\ni genuinely love classical music and reading and working out",
">\n\nMsny guys will ask you out now according to OP.",
">\n\nI mean I take lessons for Opera singing so yeah it's part of it. I listen to almost every genre",
">\n\nI do listen to it regularly when I need to focus on work but don’t want complete silence. It’s not a “favorite” genre, but it is one of my top 5 most-listened to genres.",
">\n\nI'm listening to classical music since I've been 12 and I even remember hearing Grieg - In the Hall of the Mountain King and asking the teacher for the title so I can listen to it at home. I'm 19 now and neither a science teacher nor I can play any instrument. \"20yo boi that plays guitar n stuff\" don't believe you either",
">\n\nI mean if that’s what you wanna believe sure. That’s your first impression. That’s fair. Just like how my first impression when most people tell me they’re a huge fan of classical music I don’t believe them initially."
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"What does being a science teacher have to do with it?",
">\n\nOP is an idiot 😂",
">\n\nCorrect answer. OP knows nothing about science or classical music so presumes they are related.",
">\n\nI think the problem is when someone says they like doing something, most people think that means they’re always doing it or doing it hard, or like you, they think people need to be blasting music out of their car for 5 hours straight. I’m not always listening to my favorite music or favorite genres and songs. I like classical music and listen to it but I’m not playing it every day or even every week. I love snowboarding but I don’t go every week or spend a whole weekend snowboarding. I have a lot of favorites, too 3s and things I love doing that I haven’t actively engaged with for years",
">\n\nI know what you mean. I’m not talking about the people that do it occasionally and say they like it. Like I like ice skating. But I maybe do it a few times a year. But I wouldn’t say it’s a main hobby or anything.\nI’m talking about the people who insist they listen to classical music like crazy. Like it’s in their top 3 favorite genres.",
">\n\nTrue, I guess maybe if they constantly post about it, I do know a guy who does this with jazz music, he insists that he’s a huge jazz fanatic and constantly posts about it on social media. The way he posts about makes me assume he’s not as crazy about it as he really is, I used to be close to him too, I know for sure he’s never gone to a jazz concert or event. So from that angle I do get you. \nBut I would probably put classical in my top 3, but can’t say I can easily name tracks or tunes. I just prefer the sound overall. I don’t think putting something in your top 3 means you have to be all about that life though.",
">\n\nIm in my mid 30s and I sure do. It relaxes me a lot.",
">\n\nIt’s one of the most popular genres of music in the world and has been around for 100s of years. Maybe you should give it a try instead of whatever you’re attempting with this post.\nPS I blast Canon in D in my car.\nPPS I am not a science teacher.",
">\n\n\nPS I blast Canon in D in my car.\n\ncellists' rage intensifies",
">\n\nHave you missed Two set violin? They pretty much made classical music cool again.",
">\n\nEngineer here. Classical was my second most listened to genre on Spotify. Classic rock, classical, blues. My teen daughter also loves the same genres. Will say it trends more towards modern composers like Hans Zimmer, John Williams and such but occasionally Holst, Mendelssohn, etc. And yes, will even listen to such in the car.",
">\n\nHolst is one of my favorites! I love The Planets.",
">\n\nThe planets are incredible. Jupiter is one of the best pieces of music I have ever played. And Mars and Jupiter are so fun to listen to",
">\n\nI do. The songs have a complexity and a cadence to them that modern music lacks.\nI like modern music too, but classical is different in a way that is good. Bach songs remind me of spring.\nI wish modern musicians would make classical style music. I feel a lot of genres, especially trance and techno, would benefit a lot from it.",
">\n\nI am a former professional classical musician. I have my BS and have even published a book. The problem is:\n\nThe public's concept of music is shaped almost entirely by modern (post-1960's) popular music. The expectations they bring to music is shaped almost entirely by hip-hop/rock/pop. For the most part, and I know this is a generalization, this is music that is 3 to 5 minutes long, doesn't change key, is built almost entirely by repeating the same 3-4 phrases, and has lyrics. Most of the public just doesn't have the patience for an 8 to 10 minute movement of a sonata/symphony that might not even repeat a musical idea more than once, that is entirely instrumental. Indeed, it took me a long time to enjoy listening to classical music, because I just wasn't used to giving music that much of my attention span. \n\nWhen it comes down to it, most classical music, as well as most highbrow music from around the world, asks a lot out of the listener. The majority of people just aren't used to paying close attention for long periods of time. I think this is understandable. Just don't tell me how much you love Tchaikovsky after you turn him off after 3 minutes. \n\nThis one is going to be controversial, but in my experience, its true. People tend to associate music with stereotypes. Even I am guilty of this. I am often hesitant to embrace EDM because I picture rave kids with pacifiers and glow sticks. Not judging you if that's your thing, but that's something I don't want to be associated with. I know that's a stereotype and I'm sure there's many different fashion choices people make when attending EDM events, but I just don't relate to the community of people who enjoy this music, and that gets in the way of my enjoyment of it.\n\nThe same logic can be applied to classical music. Many people hear composers as disparate as Bach, Beethoven, and Debussy, and their minds immediately go to conservative old white people. Historically, the kind of people who enjoy classical music have the stereotype of not being sexy or hip. That's just not a community people want to identify with. I've seen a plethora of youtube videos that even call classical music racist. As outrageous as it might seem, many people are buying into that idea, and that makes them hesitant to embrace this kind of music. \nWhen it comes down to it, contemporary culture imposes the idea of music onto the public in ways that keep them from genuinely enjoying classical music. You have to re-conceptualize your idea of music in order to bring the expectations required to find this music enjoyable. To be fair, much of this music was written for people who were educated in the appreciation of culture and the arts. These kinds of people knew what to listen for and knew what assumptions to make when listening to something titled \"fugue\" or \"rondo\". \nNot saying it's a bad thing that this kind of audience doesn't really exist in large numbers anymore, but it's unfortunate that so many people are quick to call that kind informed listening \"snobbery\".",
">\n\nWell said. The domination of pop music is stifling to the understanding of Classical. The delivery system of streaming services doesn't help. Everything is a \"song\" now.",
">\n\nBelieve me when I say I listen to classical. Do I do it often tho? No",
">\n\n\"I do something\" and 'I'm a total devoted / obsessed fanboy\" isn't the same thing.\nThis is gatekeeping.",
">\n\nI’m talking about the people who pretend they are devoted to it. Ik people can enjoy something but not obsessive over it",
">\n\nThe best way to enjoy classical music is to hear it live. I go to concerts a few times a year, but yeah listening to it all the time? I have a playlist but it aint my most played.",
">\n\nI find it hard to believe for someone that doesn't play any classical instrument, but for people who do I can believe it. It's a lot easier to develop an appreciation for classical music when you play classical instruments or study music.",
">\n\nLmao, Canon in D is a meme among classical musicians and listeners. If you think that all classical music is like that, it's no wonder you can't believe anyone would enjoy listening to it.",
">\n\nIt made the OP lose all credibility beyond the already shit opinion to begin with.",
">\n\nDumb take.",
">\n\nI was listening to Beethoven and Schubert like crazy at 15. Ironically, I stopped listening after 18/19 but will still sometimes go back. I even acquired a taste for Chopin, Mozart, Vivaldi, and Liszt during those years.",
">\n\nMe and my younger sibling often listen to classical FM when we drive. Most of my youtube follows are classical musicians as well, and yet I don't play an instrument. It's a valid genre.",
">\n\nA NY classical station had a fund drive many years ago. They said if enough people pledged in the next hour, they would not play the Canon in D.",
">\n\nI do every now and then. If it's not reggae it's classical. I'm a firm believer that music has an effect on you and I've noticed these 2 always mellow me out",
">\n\nHonestly it calms us down when we listen. I can't listen to loud crap anymore. I'm 40 for the record. Also, we've gotten our kids used to listening to it while they do their homework. It calls them down too and gets them to focus",
">\n\nWell, I got Bach to Black Sabbath, Debussy to Daft Punk, Tansen (look him up) to Tender, and a whole lotta other things on my list. My playlist contains music of different era/decades, genres, and languages. I understand/speak 5 languages. Depending on my mood, I blast whatever the hell I want, and it doesnt really matter what anyone thinks about it or belives it or not lol \n(\"Science teacher\" 🙄🙄🙄 Buddy, I listened to Mozart while painting when I was in high school). People dont ALWAYS do the things they're into. I don't draw/paint/hike/shoot photos/travel/listen to my fav music/read books/stargaze/make or build stuff etc everyday :/ It doesnt mean I'm not into them. I'm an Administrator by profession, and it means jackshit in this regard, because one's job title/profession isnt who they are as a person, it's not their personality, and it has little to do with everything they enjoy/are interested in in their personal life.",
">\n\nI don't think there's any need to doubt someone who lists classic music among their interests, just because you've observed the fairly obvious, that this category of music is engaged with differently than pop music and other rarely all-instrumental genres.\nWhile I have absolutely driven down the street with classical music on blast, what I'm not doing in that situation is singing along with it. For, again, obvious reasons. And because \"kill the wabbit, kill the wabbit\" really only fits that one piece of music. And because I can't hit those opera notes.\nAnd can I rattle off my favorite pieces Mozart wrote, by opus and movement? No, I'd have to go to my playlist for that. So knowing that I would be put on the spot, here, I wouldn't similarly interrogate someone else who expresses a fondness for classic music. Doesn't mean they're favorites any less than Love Is The Drug by Roxy Music or House of the Rising Sun by The Animals.\nSymphonies have their slower movements, which can almost disappear into environmental noise, and operas have their sections that are exposition or conversation put to music. I can generally only put one on, rather than a curated playlist of the crowd-pleasing moments, when I'm in a very particular headspace.\nReally, I think classical music is just an overly broad term.\nSome of my favorite tracks that music services lump together as part of the genre are works meant to replicate the jovial arrangements that might have been played at court for festivals in the Middle Ages, which I got into when playing Europa Universalis 1 & 2.\nAnd these are nothing like the music of the Baroque era, and later the Romantic period, and even later works by artists recording new orchestral music in the 20th century. Let alone contemporary flamenco guitar pieces from Spain. Even before widening our scope beyond Europe to what is generally, again, lumped together as World Music.\nIt all makes for a very imposing \"genre\" to approach and identify with, and I respect someone who makes an effort. Either because they like the challenge it represents to engage with beyond a \"Classical Music At The Movies\" compilation, or because without any kind of grounding in musical theory, they nevertheless can appreciate, as audiences have for centuries, really well written and conducted orchestral pieces, or the stripped-down chamber music versions of the same.",
">\n\nYou clearly haven’t met my cats. They listen to jazz and classical… although the romance period is a bit to energetic. They prefer contemporary or classical for focus/relaxation.",
">\n\nThey sound cool asf",
">\n\nEver since the pandemic I’ve only been listening to Classical Japanese music. I particularly like the jiuta songs. I have no idea what’s going on anymore with current music. I’m sure at some point that will change but for now it is what it is.",
">\n\nwasaait, what's wrong with reading? it's mid January, I'm finishing my second book already\ndude wtf? it's not even an opinion, don't judge people by your low standards",
">\n\n100% agree. I was this guy at 15. I only listened to the most technical of death metal bands and classical because my taste in music was so refined and superior to all the sheep around me listening to their bubble gum pop and hip hop. Fuckin cringe lookin back at that time in my life. And guess how much classical I actually listened to? basically none.",
">\n\nThis is exactly what I’m talking about!",
">\n\nWhat era are you defining as “classical”? Because it’s not a monolith or single era. What people call “classical” music falls under one of several era/genre umbrellas: Baroque, Rococo, Neoclassic, etc.",
">\n\nWym 'baroque'? It's just an umbrella term, do you mean italian baroque, german baroque, french baroque, spanish baroque or english baroque? Or are you going to tell me that there are people who REALLY think Purcell and Zelenka sound the same??\nYeah, let's stick to 'classic' for OP's discussion",
">\n\nAre there a lot of 15 year olds claiming to love classical music? Is this like... a real problem?\nAlso, who gives a fuck if people say they like classical music? What does that have to do with you? If a 15 year old tells you they like classical matter, your opinion on the matter means absolutely nothing.",
">\n\nAt the end of the day I’m just saying that don’t pretended to be someone else. Just be honest with yourself. And if you genuinely like classical and you’re not the demographic that I would assume like it then this post does not apply to you.",
">\n\nThis post applies to no one because you have no idea if people actually like classical or not, that's my point. There's no demographic.",
">\n\nLike I mentioned. That’s just my perception. Obviously I’m open to be proven wrong.",
">\n\nProve to me how you know someone is enough of a fan of classical music to pass your arbitrary and meaningless standards, oh gatekeeper of Mozart, defender of Bach.",
">\n\nFirst impression* that’s what I meant. Not perception. Whoops. I feel like you’re taking this personally man. It’s not that serious.",
">\n\nWhy post in the first place?",
">\n\nSoon 80s will be Classic.\nThey are already timeless",
">\n\nOP also thinks no one likes salad. They only say so because people will perceive them as healthier than they actually are.",
">\n\ni genuinely love classical music and reading and working out",
">\n\nMsny guys will ask you out now according to OP.",
">\n\nI mean I take lessons for Opera singing so yeah it's part of it. I listen to almost every genre",
">\n\nI do listen to it regularly when I need to focus on work but don’t want complete silence. It’s not a “favorite” genre, but it is one of my top 5 most-listened to genres.",
">\n\nI'm listening to classical music since I've been 12 and I even remember hearing Grieg - In the Hall of the Mountain King and asking the teacher for the title so I can listen to it at home. I'm 19 now and neither a science teacher nor I can play any instrument. \"20yo boi that plays guitar n stuff\" don't believe you either",
">\n\nI mean if that’s what you wanna believe sure. That’s your first impression. That’s fair. Just like how my first impression when most people tell me they’re a huge fan of classical music I don’t believe them initially.",
">\n\nWhy do you care if they are telling the truth or not?\nDon't make this affect you more than it should :)"
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"What does being a science teacher have to do with it?",
">\n\nOP is an idiot 😂",
">\n\nCorrect answer. OP knows nothing about science or classical music so presumes they are related.",
">\n\nI think the problem is when someone says they like doing something, most people think that means they’re always doing it or doing it hard, or like you, they think people need to be blasting music out of their car for 5 hours straight. I’m not always listening to my favorite music or favorite genres and songs. I like classical music and listen to it but I’m not playing it every day or even every week. I love snowboarding but I don’t go every week or spend a whole weekend snowboarding. I have a lot of favorites, too 3s and things I love doing that I haven’t actively engaged with for years",
">\n\nI know what you mean. I’m not talking about the people that do it occasionally and say they like it. Like I like ice skating. But I maybe do it a few times a year. But I wouldn’t say it’s a main hobby or anything.\nI’m talking about the people who insist they listen to classical music like crazy. Like it’s in their top 3 favorite genres.",
">\n\nTrue, I guess maybe if they constantly post about it, I do know a guy who does this with jazz music, he insists that he’s a huge jazz fanatic and constantly posts about it on social media. The way he posts about makes me assume he’s not as crazy about it as he really is, I used to be close to him too, I know for sure he’s never gone to a jazz concert or event. So from that angle I do get you. \nBut I would probably put classical in my top 3, but can’t say I can easily name tracks or tunes. I just prefer the sound overall. I don’t think putting something in your top 3 means you have to be all about that life though.",
">\n\nIm in my mid 30s and I sure do. It relaxes me a lot.",
">\n\nIt’s one of the most popular genres of music in the world and has been around for 100s of years. Maybe you should give it a try instead of whatever you’re attempting with this post.\nPS I blast Canon in D in my car.\nPPS I am not a science teacher.",
">\n\n\nPS I blast Canon in D in my car.\n\ncellists' rage intensifies",
">\n\nHave you missed Two set violin? They pretty much made classical music cool again.",
">\n\nEngineer here. Classical was my second most listened to genre on Spotify. Classic rock, classical, blues. My teen daughter also loves the same genres. Will say it trends more towards modern composers like Hans Zimmer, John Williams and such but occasionally Holst, Mendelssohn, etc. And yes, will even listen to such in the car.",
">\n\nHolst is one of my favorites! I love The Planets.",
">\n\nThe planets are incredible. Jupiter is one of the best pieces of music I have ever played. And Mars and Jupiter are so fun to listen to",
">\n\nI do. The songs have a complexity and a cadence to them that modern music lacks.\nI like modern music too, but classical is different in a way that is good. Bach songs remind me of spring.\nI wish modern musicians would make classical style music. I feel a lot of genres, especially trance and techno, would benefit a lot from it.",
">\n\nI am a former professional classical musician. I have my BS and have even published a book. The problem is:\n\nThe public's concept of music is shaped almost entirely by modern (post-1960's) popular music. The expectations they bring to music is shaped almost entirely by hip-hop/rock/pop. For the most part, and I know this is a generalization, this is music that is 3 to 5 minutes long, doesn't change key, is built almost entirely by repeating the same 3-4 phrases, and has lyrics. Most of the public just doesn't have the patience for an 8 to 10 minute movement of a sonata/symphony that might not even repeat a musical idea more than once, that is entirely instrumental. Indeed, it took me a long time to enjoy listening to classical music, because I just wasn't used to giving music that much of my attention span. \n\nWhen it comes down to it, most classical music, as well as most highbrow music from around the world, asks a lot out of the listener. The majority of people just aren't used to paying close attention for long periods of time. I think this is understandable. Just don't tell me how much you love Tchaikovsky after you turn him off after 3 minutes. \n\nThis one is going to be controversial, but in my experience, its true. People tend to associate music with stereotypes. Even I am guilty of this. I am often hesitant to embrace EDM because I picture rave kids with pacifiers and glow sticks. Not judging you if that's your thing, but that's something I don't want to be associated with. I know that's a stereotype and I'm sure there's many different fashion choices people make when attending EDM events, but I just don't relate to the community of people who enjoy this music, and that gets in the way of my enjoyment of it.\n\nThe same logic can be applied to classical music. Many people hear composers as disparate as Bach, Beethoven, and Debussy, and their minds immediately go to conservative old white people. Historically, the kind of people who enjoy classical music have the stereotype of not being sexy or hip. That's just not a community people want to identify with. I've seen a plethora of youtube videos that even call classical music racist. As outrageous as it might seem, many people are buying into that idea, and that makes them hesitant to embrace this kind of music. \nWhen it comes down to it, contemporary culture imposes the idea of music onto the public in ways that keep them from genuinely enjoying classical music. You have to re-conceptualize your idea of music in order to bring the expectations required to find this music enjoyable. To be fair, much of this music was written for people who were educated in the appreciation of culture and the arts. These kinds of people knew what to listen for and knew what assumptions to make when listening to something titled \"fugue\" or \"rondo\". \nNot saying it's a bad thing that this kind of audience doesn't really exist in large numbers anymore, but it's unfortunate that so many people are quick to call that kind informed listening \"snobbery\".",
">\n\nWell said. The domination of pop music is stifling to the understanding of Classical. The delivery system of streaming services doesn't help. Everything is a \"song\" now.",
">\n\nBelieve me when I say I listen to classical. Do I do it often tho? No",
">\n\n\"I do something\" and 'I'm a total devoted / obsessed fanboy\" isn't the same thing.\nThis is gatekeeping.",
">\n\nI’m talking about the people who pretend they are devoted to it. Ik people can enjoy something but not obsessive over it",
">\n\nThe best way to enjoy classical music is to hear it live. I go to concerts a few times a year, but yeah listening to it all the time? I have a playlist but it aint my most played.",
">\n\nI find it hard to believe for someone that doesn't play any classical instrument, but for people who do I can believe it. It's a lot easier to develop an appreciation for classical music when you play classical instruments or study music.",
">\n\nLmao, Canon in D is a meme among classical musicians and listeners. If you think that all classical music is like that, it's no wonder you can't believe anyone would enjoy listening to it.",
">\n\nIt made the OP lose all credibility beyond the already shit opinion to begin with.",
">\n\nDumb take.",
">\n\nI was listening to Beethoven and Schubert like crazy at 15. Ironically, I stopped listening after 18/19 but will still sometimes go back. I even acquired a taste for Chopin, Mozart, Vivaldi, and Liszt during those years.",
">\n\nMe and my younger sibling often listen to classical FM when we drive. Most of my youtube follows are classical musicians as well, and yet I don't play an instrument. It's a valid genre.",
">\n\nA NY classical station had a fund drive many years ago. They said if enough people pledged in the next hour, they would not play the Canon in D.",
">\n\nI do every now and then. If it's not reggae it's classical. I'm a firm believer that music has an effect on you and I've noticed these 2 always mellow me out",
">\n\nHonestly it calms us down when we listen. I can't listen to loud crap anymore. I'm 40 for the record. Also, we've gotten our kids used to listening to it while they do their homework. It calls them down too and gets them to focus",
">\n\nWell, I got Bach to Black Sabbath, Debussy to Daft Punk, Tansen (look him up) to Tender, and a whole lotta other things on my list. My playlist contains music of different era/decades, genres, and languages. I understand/speak 5 languages. Depending on my mood, I blast whatever the hell I want, and it doesnt really matter what anyone thinks about it or belives it or not lol \n(\"Science teacher\" 🙄🙄🙄 Buddy, I listened to Mozart while painting when I was in high school). People dont ALWAYS do the things they're into. I don't draw/paint/hike/shoot photos/travel/listen to my fav music/read books/stargaze/make or build stuff etc everyday :/ It doesnt mean I'm not into them. I'm an Administrator by profession, and it means jackshit in this regard, because one's job title/profession isnt who they are as a person, it's not their personality, and it has little to do with everything they enjoy/are interested in in their personal life.",
">\n\nI don't think there's any need to doubt someone who lists classic music among their interests, just because you've observed the fairly obvious, that this category of music is engaged with differently than pop music and other rarely all-instrumental genres.\nWhile I have absolutely driven down the street with classical music on blast, what I'm not doing in that situation is singing along with it. For, again, obvious reasons. And because \"kill the wabbit, kill the wabbit\" really only fits that one piece of music. And because I can't hit those opera notes.\nAnd can I rattle off my favorite pieces Mozart wrote, by opus and movement? No, I'd have to go to my playlist for that. So knowing that I would be put on the spot, here, I wouldn't similarly interrogate someone else who expresses a fondness for classic music. Doesn't mean they're favorites any less than Love Is The Drug by Roxy Music or House of the Rising Sun by The Animals.\nSymphonies have their slower movements, which can almost disappear into environmental noise, and operas have their sections that are exposition or conversation put to music. I can generally only put one on, rather than a curated playlist of the crowd-pleasing moments, when I'm in a very particular headspace.\nReally, I think classical music is just an overly broad term.\nSome of my favorite tracks that music services lump together as part of the genre are works meant to replicate the jovial arrangements that might have been played at court for festivals in the Middle Ages, which I got into when playing Europa Universalis 1 & 2.\nAnd these are nothing like the music of the Baroque era, and later the Romantic period, and even later works by artists recording new orchestral music in the 20th century. Let alone contemporary flamenco guitar pieces from Spain. Even before widening our scope beyond Europe to what is generally, again, lumped together as World Music.\nIt all makes for a very imposing \"genre\" to approach and identify with, and I respect someone who makes an effort. Either because they like the challenge it represents to engage with beyond a \"Classical Music At The Movies\" compilation, or because without any kind of grounding in musical theory, they nevertheless can appreciate, as audiences have for centuries, really well written and conducted orchestral pieces, or the stripped-down chamber music versions of the same.",
">\n\nYou clearly haven’t met my cats. They listen to jazz and classical… although the romance period is a bit to energetic. They prefer contemporary or classical for focus/relaxation.",
">\n\nThey sound cool asf",
">\n\nEver since the pandemic I’ve only been listening to Classical Japanese music. I particularly like the jiuta songs. I have no idea what’s going on anymore with current music. I’m sure at some point that will change but for now it is what it is.",
">\n\nwasaait, what's wrong with reading? it's mid January, I'm finishing my second book already\ndude wtf? it's not even an opinion, don't judge people by your low standards",
">\n\n100% agree. I was this guy at 15. I only listened to the most technical of death metal bands and classical because my taste in music was so refined and superior to all the sheep around me listening to their bubble gum pop and hip hop. Fuckin cringe lookin back at that time in my life. And guess how much classical I actually listened to? basically none.",
">\n\nThis is exactly what I’m talking about!",
">\n\nWhat era are you defining as “classical”? Because it’s not a monolith or single era. What people call “classical” music falls under one of several era/genre umbrellas: Baroque, Rococo, Neoclassic, etc.",
">\n\nWym 'baroque'? It's just an umbrella term, do you mean italian baroque, german baroque, french baroque, spanish baroque or english baroque? Or are you going to tell me that there are people who REALLY think Purcell and Zelenka sound the same??\nYeah, let's stick to 'classic' for OP's discussion",
">\n\nAre there a lot of 15 year olds claiming to love classical music? Is this like... a real problem?\nAlso, who gives a fuck if people say they like classical music? What does that have to do with you? If a 15 year old tells you they like classical matter, your opinion on the matter means absolutely nothing.",
">\n\nAt the end of the day I’m just saying that don’t pretended to be someone else. Just be honest with yourself. And if you genuinely like classical and you’re not the demographic that I would assume like it then this post does not apply to you.",
">\n\nThis post applies to no one because you have no idea if people actually like classical or not, that's my point. There's no demographic.",
">\n\nLike I mentioned. That’s just my perception. Obviously I’m open to be proven wrong.",
">\n\nProve to me how you know someone is enough of a fan of classical music to pass your arbitrary and meaningless standards, oh gatekeeper of Mozart, defender of Bach.",
">\n\nFirst impression* that’s what I meant. Not perception. Whoops. I feel like you’re taking this personally man. It’s not that serious.",
">\n\nWhy post in the first place?",
">\n\nSoon 80s will be Classic.\nThey are already timeless",
">\n\nOP also thinks no one likes salad. They only say so because people will perceive them as healthier than they actually are.",
">\n\ni genuinely love classical music and reading and working out",
">\n\nMsny guys will ask you out now according to OP.",
">\n\nI mean I take lessons for Opera singing so yeah it's part of it. I listen to almost every genre",
">\n\nI do listen to it regularly when I need to focus on work but don’t want complete silence. It’s not a “favorite” genre, but it is one of my top 5 most-listened to genres.",
">\n\nI'm listening to classical music since I've been 12 and I even remember hearing Grieg - In the Hall of the Mountain King and asking the teacher for the title so I can listen to it at home. I'm 19 now and neither a science teacher nor I can play any instrument. \"20yo boi that plays guitar n stuff\" don't believe you either",
">\n\nI mean if that’s what you wanna believe sure. That’s your first impression. That’s fair. Just like how my first impression when most people tell me they’re a huge fan of classical music I don’t believe them initially.",
">\n\nWhy do you care if they are telling the truth or not?\nDon't make this affect you more than it should :)",
">\n\nMore smarter..."
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"What does being a science teacher have to do with it?",
">\n\nOP is an idiot 😂",
">\n\nCorrect answer. OP knows nothing about science or classical music so presumes they are related.",
">\n\nI think the problem is when someone says they like doing something, most people think that means they’re always doing it or doing it hard, or like you, they think people need to be blasting music out of their car for 5 hours straight. I’m not always listening to my favorite music or favorite genres and songs. I like classical music and listen to it but I’m not playing it every day or even every week. I love snowboarding but I don’t go every week or spend a whole weekend snowboarding. I have a lot of favorites, too 3s and things I love doing that I haven’t actively engaged with for years",
">\n\nI know what you mean. I’m not talking about the people that do it occasionally and say they like it. Like I like ice skating. But I maybe do it a few times a year. But I wouldn’t say it’s a main hobby or anything.\nI’m talking about the people who insist they listen to classical music like crazy. Like it’s in their top 3 favorite genres.",
">\n\nTrue, I guess maybe if they constantly post about it, I do know a guy who does this with jazz music, he insists that he’s a huge jazz fanatic and constantly posts about it on social media. The way he posts about makes me assume he’s not as crazy about it as he really is, I used to be close to him too, I know for sure he’s never gone to a jazz concert or event. So from that angle I do get you. \nBut I would probably put classical in my top 3, but can’t say I can easily name tracks or tunes. I just prefer the sound overall. I don’t think putting something in your top 3 means you have to be all about that life though.",
">\n\nIm in my mid 30s and I sure do. It relaxes me a lot.",
">\n\nIt’s one of the most popular genres of music in the world and has been around for 100s of years. Maybe you should give it a try instead of whatever you’re attempting with this post.\nPS I blast Canon in D in my car.\nPPS I am not a science teacher.",
">\n\n\nPS I blast Canon in D in my car.\n\ncellists' rage intensifies",
">\n\nHave you missed Two set violin? They pretty much made classical music cool again.",
">\n\nEngineer here. Classical was my second most listened to genre on Spotify. Classic rock, classical, blues. My teen daughter also loves the same genres. Will say it trends more towards modern composers like Hans Zimmer, John Williams and such but occasionally Holst, Mendelssohn, etc. And yes, will even listen to such in the car.",
">\n\nHolst is one of my favorites! I love The Planets.",
">\n\nThe planets are incredible. Jupiter is one of the best pieces of music I have ever played. And Mars and Jupiter are so fun to listen to",
">\n\nI do. The songs have a complexity and a cadence to them that modern music lacks.\nI like modern music too, but classical is different in a way that is good. Bach songs remind me of spring.\nI wish modern musicians would make classical style music. I feel a lot of genres, especially trance and techno, would benefit a lot from it.",
">\n\nI am a former professional classical musician. I have my BS and have even published a book. The problem is:\n\nThe public's concept of music is shaped almost entirely by modern (post-1960's) popular music. The expectations they bring to music is shaped almost entirely by hip-hop/rock/pop. For the most part, and I know this is a generalization, this is music that is 3 to 5 minutes long, doesn't change key, is built almost entirely by repeating the same 3-4 phrases, and has lyrics. Most of the public just doesn't have the patience for an 8 to 10 minute movement of a sonata/symphony that might not even repeat a musical idea more than once, that is entirely instrumental. Indeed, it took me a long time to enjoy listening to classical music, because I just wasn't used to giving music that much of my attention span. \n\nWhen it comes down to it, most classical music, as well as most highbrow music from around the world, asks a lot out of the listener. The majority of people just aren't used to paying close attention for long periods of time. I think this is understandable. Just don't tell me how much you love Tchaikovsky after you turn him off after 3 minutes. \n\nThis one is going to be controversial, but in my experience, its true. People tend to associate music with stereotypes. Even I am guilty of this. I am often hesitant to embrace EDM because I picture rave kids with pacifiers and glow sticks. Not judging you if that's your thing, but that's something I don't want to be associated with. I know that's a stereotype and I'm sure there's many different fashion choices people make when attending EDM events, but I just don't relate to the community of people who enjoy this music, and that gets in the way of my enjoyment of it.\n\nThe same logic can be applied to classical music. Many people hear composers as disparate as Bach, Beethoven, and Debussy, and their minds immediately go to conservative old white people. Historically, the kind of people who enjoy classical music have the stereotype of not being sexy or hip. That's just not a community people want to identify with. I've seen a plethora of youtube videos that even call classical music racist. As outrageous as it might seem, many people are buying into that idea, and that makes them hesitant to embrace this kind of music. \nWhen it comes down to it, contemporary culture imposes the idea of music onto the public in ways that keep them from genuinely enjoying classical music. You have to re-conceptualize your idea of music in order to bring the expectations required to find this music enjoyable. To be fair, much of this music was written for people who were educated in the appreciation of culture and the arts. These kinds of people knew what to listen for and knew what assumptions to make when listening to something titled \"fugue\" or \"rondo\". \nNot saying it's a bad thing that this kind of audience doesn't really exist in large numbers anymore, but it's unfortunate that so many people are quick to call that kind informed listening \"snobbery\".",
">\n\nWell said. The domination of pop music is stifling to the understanding of Classical. The delivery system of streaming services doesn't help. Everything is a \"song\" now.",
">\n\nBelieve me when I say I listen to classical. Do I do it often tho? No",
">\n\n\"I do something\" and 'I'm a total devoted / obsessed fanboy\" isn't the same thing.\nThis is gatekeeping.",
">\n\nI’m talking about the people who pretend they are devoted to it. Ik people can enjoy something but not obsessive over it",
">\n\nThe best way to enjoy classical music is to hear it live. I go to concerts a few times a year, but yeah listening to it all the time? I have a playlist but it aint my most played.",
">\n\nI find it hard to believe for someone that doesn't play any classical instrument, but for people who do I can believe it. It's a lot easier to develop an appreciation for classical music when you play classical instruments or study music.",
">\n\nLmao, Canon in D is a meme among classical musicians and listeners. If you think that all classical music is like that, it's no wonder you can't believe anyone would enjoy listening to it.",
">\n\nIt made the OP lose all credibility beyond the already shit opinion to begin with.",
">\n\nDumb take.",
">\n\nI was listening to Beethoven and Schubert like crazy at 15. Ironically, I stopped listening after 18/19 but will still sometimes go back. I even acquired a taste for Chopin, Mozart, Vivaldi, and Liszt during those years.",
">\n\nMe and my younger sibling often listen to classical FM when we drive. Most of my youtube follows are classical musicians as well, and yet I don't play an instrument. It's a valid genre.",
">\n\nA NY classical station had a fund drive many years ago. They said if enough people pledged in the next hour, they would not play the Canon in D.",
">\n\nI do every now and then. If it's not reggae it's classical. I'm a firm believer that music has an effect on you and I've noticed these 2 always mellow me out",
">\n\nHonestly it calms us down when we listen. I can't listen to loud crap anymore. I'm 40 for the record. Also, we've gotten our kids used to listening to it while they do their homework. It calls them down too and gets them to focus",
">\n\nWell, I got Bach to Black Sabbath, Debussy to Daft Punk, Tansen (look him up) to Tender, and a whole lotta other things on my list. My playlist contains music of different era/decades, genres, and languages. I understand/speak 5 languages. Depending on my mood, I blast whatever the hell I want, and it doesnt really matter what anyone thinks about it or belives it or not lol \n(\"Science teacher\" 🙄🙄🙄 Buddy, I listened to Mozart while painting when I was in high school). People dont ALWAYS do the things they're into. I don't draw/paint/hike/shoot photos/travel/listen to my fav music/read books/stargaze/make or build stuff etc everyday :/ It doesnt mean I'm not into them. I'm an Administrator by profession, and it means jackshit in this regard, because one's job title/profession isnt who they are as a person, it's not their personality, and it has little to do with everything they enjoy/are interested in in their personal life.",
">\n\nI don't think there's any need to doubt someone who lists classic music among their interests, just because you've observed the fairly obvious, that this category of music is engaged with differently than pop music and other rarely all-instrumental genres.\nWhile I have absolutely driven down the street with classical music on blast, what I'm not doing in that situation is singing along with it. For, again, obvious reasons. And because \"kill the wabbit, kill the wabbit\" really only fits that one piece of music. And because I can't hit those opera notes.\nAnd can I rattle off my favorite pieces Mozart wrote, by opus and movement? No, I'd have to go to my playlist for that. So knowing that I would be put on the spot, here, I wouldn't similarly interrogate someone else who expresses a fondness for classic music. Doesn't mean they're favorites any less than Love Is The Drug by Roxy Music or House of the Rising Sun by The Animals.\nSymphonies have their slower movements, which can almost disappear into environmental noise, and operas have their sections that are exposition or conversation put to music. I can generally only put one on, rather than a curated playlist of the crowd-pleasing moments, when I'm in a very particular headspace.\nReally, I think classical music is just an overly broad term.\nSome of my favorite tracks that music services lump together as part of the genre are works meant to replicate the jovial arrangements that might have been played at court for festivals in the Middle Ages, which I got into when playing Europa Universalis 1 & 2.\nAnd these are nothing like the music of the Baroque era, and later the Romantic period, and even later works by artists recording new orchestral music in the 20th century. Let alone contemporary flamenco guitar pieces from Spain. Even before widening our scope beyond Europe to what is generally, again, lumped together as World Music.\nIt all makes for a very imposing \"genre\" to approach and identify with, and I respect someone who makes an effort. Either because they like the challenge it represents to engage with beyond a \"Classical Music At The Movies\" compilation, or because without any kind of grounding in musical theory, they nevertheless can appreciate, as audiences have for centuries, really well written and conducted orchestral pieces, or the stripped-down chamber music versions of the same.",
">\n\nYou clearly haven’t met my cats. They listen to jazz and classical… although the romance period is a bit to energetic. They prefer contemporary or classical for focus/relaxation.",
">\n\nThey sound cool asf",
">\n\nEver since the pandemic I’ve only been listening to Classical Japanese music. I particularly like the jiuta songs. I have no idea what’s going on anymore with current music. I’m sure at some point that will change but for now it is what it is.",
">\n\nwasaait, what's wrong with reading? it's mid January, I'm finishing my second book already\ndude wtf? it's not even an opinion, don't judge people by your low standards",
">\n\n100% agree. I was this guy at 15. I only listened to the most technical of death metal bands and classical because my taste in music was so refined and superior to all the sheep around me listening to their bubble gum pop and hip hop. Fuckin cringe lookin back at that time in my life. And guess how much classical I actually listened to? basically none.",
">\n\nThis is exactly what I’m talking about!",
">\n\nWhat era are you defining as “classical”? Because it’s not a monolith or single era. What people call “classical” music falls under one of several era/genre umbrellas: Baroque, Rococo, Neoclassic, etc.",
">\n\nWym 'baroque'? It's just an umbrella term, do you mean italian baroque, german baroque, french baroque, spanish baroque or english baroque? Or are you going to tell me that there are people who REALLY think Purcell and Zelenka sound the same??\nYeah, let's stick to 'classic' for OP's discussion",
">\n\nAre there a lot of 15 year olds claiming to love classical music? Is this like... a real problem?\nAlso, who gives a fuck if people say they like classical music? What does that have to do with you? If a 15 year old tells you they like classical matter, your opinion on the matter means absolutely nothing.",
">\n\nAt the end of the day I’m just saying that don’t pretended to be someone else. Just be honest with yourself. And if you genuinely like classical and you’re not the demographic that I would assume like it then this post does not apply to you.",
">\n\nThis post applies to no one because you have no idea if people actually like classical or not, that's my point. There's no demographic.",
">\n\nLike I mentioned. That’s just my perception. Obviously I’m open to be proven wrong.",
">\n\nProve to me how you know someone is enough of a fan of classical music to pass your arbitrary and meaningless standards, oh gatekeeper of Mozart, defender of Bach.",
">\n\nFirst impression* that’s what I meant. Not perception. Whoops. I feel like you’re taking this personally man. It’s not that serious.",
">\n\nWhy post in the first place?",
">\n\nSoon 80s will be Classic.\nThey are already timeless",
">\n\nOP also thinks no one likes salad. They only say so because people will perceive them as healthier than they actually are.",
">\n\ni genuinely love classical music and reading and working out",
">\n\nMsny guys will ask you out now according to OP.",
">\n\nI mean I take lessons for Opera singing so yeah it's part of it. I listen to almost every genre",
">\n\nI do listen to it regularly when I need to focus on work but don’t want complete silence. It’s not a “favorite” genre, but it is one of my top 5 most-listened to genres.",
">\n\nI'm listening to classical music since I've been 12 and I even remember hearing Grieg - In the Hall of the Mountain King and asking the teacher for the title so I can listen to it at home. I'm 19 now and neither a science teacher nor I can play any instrument. \"20yo boi that plays guitar n stuff\" don't believe you either",
">\n\nI mean if that’s what you wanna believe sure. That’s your first impression. That’s fair. Just like how my first impression when most people tell me they’re a huge fan of classical music I don’t believe them initially.",
">\n\nWhy do you care if they are telling the truth or not?\nDon't make this affect you more than it should :)",
">\n\nMore smarter...",
">\n\nOP has troubles realizing people can love various genres of music"
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None of Trumps top advisors (including all his kids) could pass security clearance standards.
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Yet they held them :P. At least Kushner did.
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They all did, Kushner was the one who immediately rose suspection.
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Trump had to personally step in to grant Kush his clearance because he kept getting caught lying on his application forms.
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">\n\nYet they held them :P. At least Kushner did.",
">\n\nThey all did, Kushner was the one who immediately rose suspection."
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How did he give him clearance, just thinking about it?
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">\n\nNone of Trumps top advisors (including all his kids) could pass security clearance standards.",
">\n\nYet they held them :P. At least Kushner did.",
">\n\nThey all did, Kushner was the one who immediately rose suspection.",
">\n\nTrump had to personally step in to grant Kush his clearance because he kept getting caught lying on his application forms."
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He just had to say . "You now have top secret clearance . "
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">\n\nNone of Trumps top advisors (including all his kids) could pass security clearance standards.",
">\n\nYet they held them :P. At least Kushner did.",
">\n\nThey all did, Kushner was the one who immediately rose suspection.",
">\n\nTrump had to personally step in to grant Kush his clearance because he kept getting caught lying on his application forms.",
">\n\nHow did he give him clearance, just thinking about it?"
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">\n\nNone of Trumps top advisors (including all his kids) could pass security clearance standards.",
">\n\nYet they held them :P. At least Kushner did.",
">\n\nThey all did, Kushner was the one who immediately rose suspection.",
">\n\nTrump had to personally step in to grant Kush his clearance because he kept getting caught lying on his application forms.",
">\n\nHow did he give him clearance, just thinking about it?",
">\n\nHe just had to say . \"You now have top secret clearance . \""
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Come on, even the most corrupt crimelord in a Galaxy Far, Far Away paid his subcontractors and ran an efficient criminal enterprise.
Trump managed to bankrupt a casino, and I still have yet to truly understand how he failed a place that is designed to seperate people from their money. Aside from being so shitty no one would be seen there which sounds about on par for his 'brand'.
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"Did Rudy have security clearance to even view those documents?",
">\n\nNone of Trumps top advisors (including all his kids) could pass security clearance standards.",
">\n\nYet they held them :P. At least Kushner did.",
">\n\nThey all did, Kushner was the one who immediately rose suspection.",
">\n\nTrump had to personally step in to grant Kush his clearance because he kept getting caught lying on his application forms.",
">\n\nHow did he give him clearance, just thinking about it?",
">\n\nHe just had to say . \"You now have top secret clearance . \"",
">\n\nI didn't know that Jabba the Hutt had jedi mind powers..."
] |
>
Trump managed to bankrupt a casino,
thats not quite accurate
i think it was 3 casinos at least.
|
[
"Did Rudy have security clearance to even view those documents?",
">\n\nNone of Trumps top advisors (including all his kids) could pass security clearance standards.",
">\n\nYet they held them :P. At least Kushner did.",
">\n\nThey all did, Kushner was the one who immediately rose suspection.",
">\n\nTrump had to personally step in to grant Kush his clearance because he kept getting caught lying on his application forms.",
">\n\nHow did he give him clearance, just thinking about it?",
">\n\nHe just had to say . \"You now have top secret clearance . \"",
">\n\nI didn't know that Jabba the Hutt had jedi mind powers...",
">\n\nCome on, even the most corrupt crimelord in a Galaxy Far, Far Away paid his subcontractors and ran an efficient criminal enterprise.\nTrump managed to bankrupt a casino, and I still have yet to truly understand how he failed a place that is designed to seperate people from their money. Aside from being so shitty no one would be seen there which sounds about on par for his 'brand'."
] |
>
Giuliani also said top secret files are "very, very strange the way they're put together" and "often are very small, but they contain a lot of information."
For the love of god please please shut up.
|
[
"Did Rudy have security clearance to even view those documents?",
">\n\nNone of Trumps top advisors (including all his kids) could pass security clearance standards.",
">\n\nYet they held them :P. At least Kushner did.",
">\n\nThey all did, Kushner was the one who immediately rose suspection.",
">\n\nTrump had to personally step in to grant Kush his clearance because he kept getting caught lying on his application forms.",
">\n\nHow did he give him clearance, just thinking about it?",
">\n\nHe just had to say . \"You now have top secret clearance . \"",
">\n\nI didn't know that Jabba the Hutt had jedi mind powers...",
">\n\nCome on, even the most corrupt crimelord in a Galaxy Far, Far Away paid his subcontractors and ran an efficient criminal enterprise.\nTrump managed to bankrupt a casino, and I still have yet to truly understand how he failed a place that is designed to seperate people from their money. Aside from being so shitty no one would be seen there which sounds about on par for his 'brand'.",
">\n\n\nTrump managed to bankrupt a casino,\n\nthats not quite accurate\ni think it was 3 casinos at least."
] |
>
Talking about the formatting of top secret docs is literally giving away classified information. How is this guy not in prison yet?
|
[
"Did Rudy have security clearance to even view those documents?",
">\n\nNone of Trumps top advisors (including all his kids) could pass security clearance standards.",
">\n\nYet they held them :P. At least Kushner did.",
">\n\nThey all did, Kushner was the one who immediately rose suspection.",
">\n\nTrump had to personally step in to grant Kush his clearance because he kept getting caught lying on his application forms.",
">\n\nHow did he give him clearance, just thinking about it?",
">\n\nHe just had to say . \"You now have top secret clearance . \"",
">\n\nI didn't know that Jabba the Hutt had jedi mind powers...",
">\n\nCome on, even the most corrupt crimelord in a Galaxy Far, Far Away paid his subcontractors and ran an efficient criminal enterprise.\nTrump managed to bankrupt a casino, and I still have yet to truly understand how he failed a place that is designed to seperate people from their money. Aside from being so shitty no one would be seen there which sounds about on par for his 'brand'.",
">\n\n\nTrump managed to bankrupt a casino,\n\nthats not quite accurate\ni think it was 3 casinos at least.",
">\n\n\nGiuliani also said top secret files are \"very, very strange the way they're put together\" and \"often are very small, but they contain a lot of information.\"\n\nFor the love of god please please shut up."
] |
>
That guy was president.., that’s why.
Remember when a game show host ran for president?
Do you remember thinking it was a complete joke?
And then that pathetic liar and ruiner of lives actually won?
That’s why…
…cuz half of this country “hated school”…and is also ironically still stuck in high school
|
[
"Did Rudy have security clearance to even view those documents?",
">\n\nNone of Trumps top advisors (including all his kids) could pass security clearance standards.",
">\n\nYet they held them :P. At least Kushner did.",
">\n\nThey all did, Kushner was the one who immediately rose suspection.",
">\n\nTrump had to personally step in to grant Kush his clearance because he kept getting caught lying on his application forms.",
">\n\nHow did he give him clearance, just thinking about it?",
">\n\nHe just had to say . \"You now have top secret clearance . \"",
">\n\nI didn't know that Jabba the Hutt had jedi mind powers...",
">\n\nCome on, even the most corrupt crimelord in a Galaxy Far, Far Away paid his subcontractors and ran an efficient criminal enterprise.\nTrump managed to bankrupt a casino, and I still have yet to truly understand how he failed a place that is designed to seperate people from their money. Aside from being so shitty no one would be seen there which sounds about on par for his 'brand'.",
">\n\n\nTrump managed to bankrupt a casino,\n\nthats not quite accurate\ni think it was 3 casinos at least.",
">\n\n\nGiuliani also said top secret files are \"very, very strange the way they're put together\" and \"often are very small, but they contain a lot of information.\"\n\nFor the love of god please please shut up.",
">\n\nTalking about the formatting of top secret docs is literally giving away classified information. How is this guy not in prison yet?"
] |
>
half of this country “hated school”…and is also ironically still stuck in high school
This hits hard. While there's no simple explanation for what's happening, I feel this hits the nail on the head. So much I think many "conservatives" and "centrists" would agree.
|
[
"Did Rudy have security clearance to even view those documents?",
">\n\nNone of Trumps top advisors (including all his kids) could pass security clearance standards.",
">\n\nYet they held them :P. At least Kushner did.",
">\n\nThey all did, Kushner was the one who immediately rose suspection.",
">\n\nTrump had to personally step in to grant Kush his clearance because he kept getting caught lying on his application forms.",
">\n\nHow did he give him clearance, just thinking about it?",
">\n\nHe just had to say . \"You now have top secret clearance . \"",
">\n\nI didn't know that Jabba the Hutt had jedi mind powers...",
">\n\nCome on, even the most corrupt crimelord in a Galaxy Far, Far Away paid his subcontractors and ran an efficient criminal enterprise.\nTrump managed to bankrupt a casino, and I still have yet to truly understand how he failed a place that is designed to seperate people from their money. Aside from being so shitty no one would be seen there which sounds about on par for his 'brand'.",
">\n\n\nTrump managed to bankrupt a casino,\n\nthats not quite accurate\ni think it was 3 casinos at least.",
">\n\n\nGiuliani also said top secret files are \"very, very strange the way they're put together\" and \"often are very small, but they contain a lot of information.\"\n\nFor the love of god please please shut up.",
">\n\nTalking about the formatting of top secret docs is literally giving away classified information. How is this guy not in prison yet?",
">\n\nThat guy was president.., that’s why.\nRemember when a game show host ran for president?\nDo you remember thinking it was a complete joke? \nAnd then that pathetic liar and ruiner of lives actually won?\nThat’s why… \n…cuz half of this country “hated school”…and is also ironically still stuck in high school"
] |
>
Giuliani said he was at Mar-a-Lago, working on "vetting" some "very rich" people — specifically, going through their tax returns for Trump.
Um what?
|
[
"Did Rudy have security clearance to even view those documents?",
">\n\nNone of Trumps top advisors (including all his kids) could pass security clearance standards.",
">\n\nYet they held them :P. At least Kushner did.",
">\n\nThey all did, Kushner was the one who immediately rose suspection.",
">\n\nTrump had to personally step in to grant Kush his clearance because he kept getting caught lying on his application forms.",
">\n\nHow did he give him clearance, just thinking about it?",
">\n\nHe just had to say . \"You now have top secret clearance . \"",
">\n\nI didn't know that Jabba the Hutt had jedi mind powers...",
">\n\nCome on, even the most corrupt crimelord in a Galaxy Far, Far Away paid his subcontractors and ran an efficient criminal enterprise.\nTrump managed to bankrupt a casino, and I still have yet to truly understand how he failed a place that is designed to seperate people from their money. Aside from being so shitty no one would be seen there which sounds about on par for his 'brand'.",
">\n\n\nTrump managed to bankrupt a casino,\n\nthats not quite accurate\ni think it was 3 casinos at least.",
">\n\n\nGiuliani also said top secret files are \"very, very strange the way they're put together\" and \"often are very small, but they contain a lot of information.\"\n\nFor the love of god please please shut up.",
">\n\nTalking about the formatting of top secret docs is literally giving away classified information. How is this guy not in prison yet?",
">\n\nThat guy was president.., that’s why.\nRemember when a game show host ran for president?\nDo you remember thinking it was a complete joke? \nAnd then that pathetic liar and ruiner of lives actually won?\nThat’s why… \n…cuz half of this country “hated school”…and is also ironically still stuck in high school",
">\n\n\nhalf of this country “hated school”…and is also ironically still stuck in high school\n\nThis hits hard. While there's no simple explanation for what's happening, I feel this hits the nail on the head. So much I think many \"conservatives\" and \"centrists\" would agree."
] |
>
Very legal. Very cool.
|
[
"Did Rudy have security clearance to even view those documents?",
">\n\nNone of Trumps top advisors (including all his kids) could pass security clearance standards.",
">\n\nYet they held them :P. At least Kushner did.",
">\n\nThey all did, Kushner was the one who immediately rose suspection.",
">\n\nTrump had to personally step in to grant Kush his clearance because he kept getting caught lying on his application forms.",
">\n\nHow did he give him clearance, just thinking about it?",
">\n\nHe just had to say . \"You now have top secret clearance . \"",
">\n\nI didn't know that Jabba the Hutt had jedi mind powers...",
">\n\nCome on, even the most corrupt crimelord in a Galaxy Far, Far Away paid his subcontractors and ran an efficient criminal enterprise.\nTrump managed to bankrupt a casino, and I still have yet to truly understand how he failed a place that is designed to seperate people from their money. Aside from being so shitty no one would be seen there which sounds about on par for his 'brand'.",
">\n\n\nTrump managed to bankrupt a casino,\n\nthats not quite accurate\ni think it was 3 casinos at least.",
">\n\n\nGiuliani also said top secret files are \"very, very strange the way they're put together\" and \"often are very small, but they contain a lot of information.\"\n\nFor the love of god please please shut up.",
">\n\nTalking about the formatting of top secret docs is literally giving away classified information. How is this guy not in prison yet?",
">\n\nThat guy was president.., that’s why.\nRemember when a game show host ran for president?\nDo you remember thinking it was a complete joke? \nAnd then that pathetic liar and ruiner of lives actually won?\nThat’s why… \n…cuz half of this country “hated school”…and is also ironically still stuck in high school",
">\n\n\nhalf of this country “hated school”…and is also ironically still stuck in high school\n\nThis hits hard. While there's no simple explanation for what's happening, I feel this hits the nail on the head. So much I think many \"conservatives\" and \"centrists\" would agree.",
">\n\n\nGiuliani said he was at Mar-a-Lago, working on \"vetting\" some \"very rich\" people — specifically, going through their tax returns for Trump. \n\nUm what?"
] |
>
I mean, it's so casual for them to be doing this that they are talking about it openly. So I guess this is how our government is run?
|
[
"Did Rudy have security clearance to even view those documents?",
">\n\nNone of Trumps top advisors (including all his kids) could pass security clearance standards.",
">\n\nYet they held them :P. At least Kushner did.",
">\n\nThey all did, Kushner was the one who immediately rose suspection.",
">\n\nTrump had to personally step in to grant Kush his clearance because he kept getting caught lying on his application forms.",
">\n\nHow did he give him clearance, just thinking about it?",
">\n\nHe just had to say . \"You now have top secret clearance . \"",
">\n\nI didn't know that Jabba the Hutt had jedi mind powers...",
">\n\nCome on, even the most corrupt crimelord in a Galaxy Far, Far Away paid his subcontractors and ran an efficient criminal enterprise.\nTrump managed to bankrupt a casino, and I still have yet to truly understand how he failed a place that is designed to seperate people from their money. Aside from being so shitty no one would be seen there which sounds about on par for his 'brand'.",
">\n\n\nTrump managed to bankrupt a casino,\n\nthats not quite accurate\ni think it was 3 casinos at least.",
">\n\n\nGiuliani also said top secret files are \"very, very strange the way they're put together\" and \"often are very small, but they contain a lot of information.\"\n\nFor the love of god please please shut up.",
">\n\nTalking about the formatting of top secret docs is literally giving away classified information. How is this guy not in prison yet?",
">\n\nThat guy was president.., that’s why.\nRemember when a game show host ran for president?\nDo you remember thinking it was a complete joke? \nAnd then that pathetic liar and ruiner of lives actually won?\nThat’s why… \n…cuz half of this country “hated school”…and is also ironically still stuck in high school",
">\n\n\nhalf of this country “hated school”…and is also ironically still stuck in high school\n\nThis hits hard. While there's no simple explanation for what's happening, I feel this hits the nail on the head. So much I think many \"conservatives\" and \"centrists\" would agree.",
">\n\n\nGiuliani said he was at Mar-a-Lago, working on \"vetting\" some \"very rich\" people — specifically, going through their tax returns for Trump. \n\nUm what?",
">\n\nVery legal. Very cool."
] |
>
Well It's how Trump's government was run.
|
[
"Did Rudy have security clearance to even view those documents?",
">\n\nNone of Trumps top advisors (including all his kids) could pass security clearance standards.",
">\n\nYet they held them :P. At least Kushner did.",
">\n\nThey all did, Kushner was the one who immediately rose suspection.",
">\n\nTrump had to personally step in to grant Kush his clearance because he kept getting caught lying on his application forms.",
">\n\nHow did he give him clearance, just thinking about it?",
">\n\nHe just had to say . \"You now have top secret clearance . \"",
">\n\nI didn't know that Jabba the Hutt had jedi mind powers...",
">\n\nCome on, even the most corrupt crimelord in a Galaxy Far, Far Away paid his subcontractors and ran an efficient criminal enterprise.\nTrump managed to bankrupt a casino, and I still have yet to truly understand how he failed a place that is designed to seperate people from their money. Aside from being so shitty no one would be seen there which sounds about on par for his 'brand'.",
">\n\n\nTrump managed to bankrupt a casino,\n\nthats not quite accurate\ni think it was 3 casinos at least.",
">\n\n\nGiuliani also said top secret files are \"very, very strange the way they're put together\" and \"often are very small, but they contain a lot of information.\"\n\nFor the love of god please please shut up.",
">\n\nTalking about the formatting of top secret docs is literally giving away classified information. How is this guy not in prison yet?",
">\n\nThat guy was president.., that’s why.\nRemember when a game show host ran for president?\nDo you remember thinking it was a complete joke? \nAnd then that pathetic liar and ruiner of lives actually won?\nThat’s why… \n…cuz half of this country “hated school”…and is also ironically still stuck in high school",
">\n\n\nhalf of this country “hated school”…and is also ironically still stuck in high school\n\nThis hits hard. While there's no simple explanation for what's happening, I feel this hits the nail on the head. So much I think many \"conservatives\" and \"centrists\" would agree.",
">\n\n\nGiuliani said he was at Mar-a-Lago, working on \"vetting\" some \"very rich\" people — specifically, going through their tax returns for Trump. \n\nUm what?",
">\n\nVery legal. Very cool.",
">\n\nI mean, it's so casual for them to be doing this that they are talking about it openly. So I guess this is how our government is run?"
] |
>
Referring to a government under a certain president’s term as their government is common practice. Things and the procedures by which they happen change drastically with the new leader nearly every time.
Though, to your point, it has been the same shitstorm for a while now.
Pointless comment over and out. o7
|
[
"Did Rudy have security clearance to even view those documents?",
">\n\nNone of Trumps top advisors (including all his kids) could pass security clearance standards.",
">\n\nYet they held them :P. At least Kushner did.",
">\n\nThey all did, Kushner was the one who immediately rose suspection.",
">\n\nTrump had to personally step in to grant Kush his clearance because he kept getting caught lying on his application forms.",
">\n\nHow did he give him clearance, just thinking about it?",
">\n\nHe just had to say . \"You now have top secret clearance . \"",
">\n\nI didn't know that Jabba the Hutt had jedi mind powers...",
">\n\nCome on, even the most corrupt crimelord in a Galaxy Far, Far Away paid his subcontractors and ran an efficient criminal enterprise.\nTrump managed to bankrupt a casino, and I still have yet to truly understand how he failed a place that is designed to seperate people from their money. Aside from being so shitty no one would be seen there which sounds about on par for his 'brand'.",
">\n\n\nTrump managed to bankrupt a casino,\n\nthats not quite accurate\ni think it was 3 casinos at least.",
">\n\n\nGiuliani also said top secret files are \"very, very strange the way they're put together\" and \"often are very small, but they contain a lot of information.\"\n\nFor the love of god please please shut up.",
">\n\nTalking about the formatting of top secret docs is literally giving away classified information. How is this guy not in prison yet?",
">\n\nThat guy was president.., that’s why.\nRemember when a game show host ran for president?\nDo you remember thinking it was a complete joke? \nAnd then that pathetic liar and ruiner of lives actually won?\nThat’s why… \n…cuz half of this country “hated school”…and is also ironically still stuck in high school",
">\n\n\nhalf of this country “hated school”…and is also ironically still stuck in high school\n\nThis hits hard. While there's no simple explanation for what's happening, I feel this hits the nail on the head. So much I think many \"conservatives\" and \"centrists\" would agree.",
">\n\n\nGiuliani said he was at Mar-a-Lago, working on \"vetting\" some \"very rich\" people — specifically, going through their tax returns for Trump. \n\nUm what?",
">\n\nVery legal. Very cool.",
">\n\nI mean, it's so casual for them to be doing this that they are talking about it openly. So I guess this is how our government is run?",
">\n\nWell It's how Trump's government was run."
] |
>
What is the play here by Giuliani… what is he up to
|
[
"Did Rudy have security clearance to even view those documents?",
">\n\nNone of Trumps top advisors (including all his kids) could pass security clearance standards.",
">\n\nYet they held them :P. At least Kushner did.",
">\n\nThey all did, Kushner was the one who immediately rose suspection.",
">\n\nTrump had to personally step in to grant Kush his clearance because he kept getting caught lying on his application forms.",
">\n\nHow did he give him clearance, just thinking about it?",
">\n\nHe just had to say . \"You now have top secret clearance . \"",
">\n\nI didn't know that Jabba the Hutt had jedi mind powers...",
">\n\nCome on, even the most corrupt crimelord in a Galaxy Far, Far Away paid his subcontractors and ran an efficient criminal enterprise.\nTrump managed to bankrupt a casino, and I still have yet to truly understand how he failed a place that is designed to seperate people from their money. Aside from being so shitty no one would be seen there which sounds about on par for his 'brand'.",
">\n\n\nTrump managed to bankrupt a casino,\n\nthats not quite accurate\ni think it was 3 casinos at least.",
">\n\n\nGiuliani also said top secret files are \"very, very strange the way they're put together\" and \"often are very small, but they contain a lot of information.\"\n\nFor the love of god please please shut up.",
">\n\nTalking about the formatting of top secret docs is literally giving away classified information. How is this guy not in prison yet?",
">\n\nThat guy was president.., that’s why.\nRemember when a game show host ran for president?\nDo you remember thinking it was a complete joke? \nAnd then that pathetic liar and ruiner of lives actually won?\nThat’s why… \n…cuz half of this country “hated school”…and is also ironically still stuck in high school",
">\n\n\nhalf of this country “hated school”…and is also ironically still stuck in high school\n\nThis hits hard. While there's no simple explanation for what's happening, I feel this hits the nail on the head. So much I think many \"conservatives\" and \"centrists\" would agree.",
">\n\n\nGiuliani said he was at Mar-a-Lago, working on \"vetting\" some \"very rich\" people — specifically, going through their tax returns for Trump. \n\nUm what?",
">\n\nVery legal. Very cool.",
">\n\nI mean, it's so casual for them to be doing this that they are talking about it openly. So I guess this is how our government is run?",
">\n\nWell It's how Trump's government was run.",
">\n\nReferring to a government under a certain president’s term as their government is common practice. Things and the procedures by which they happen change drastically with the new leader nearly every time.\nThough, to your point, it has been the same shitstorm for a while now.\nPointless comment over and out. o7"
] |
>
Trump didn't pay him for his work promoting the big lie and trying to get the election overturned, so....
|
[
"Did Rudy have security clearance to even view those documents?",
">\n\nNone of Trumps top advisors (including all his kids) could pass security clearance standards.",
">\n\nYet they held them :P. At least Kushner did.",
">\n\nThey all did, Kushner was the one who immediately rose suspection.",
">\n\nTrump had to personally step in to grant Kush his clearance because he kept getting caught lying on his application forms.",
">\n\nHow did he give him clearance, just thinking about it?",
">\n\nHe just had to say . \"You now have top secret clearance . \"",
">\n\nI didn't know that Jabba the Hutt had jedi mind powers...",
">\n\nCome on, even the most corrupt crimelord in a Galaxy Far, Far Away paid his subcontractors and ran an efficient criminal enterprise.\nTrump managed to bankrupt a casino, and I still have yet to truly understand how he failed a place that is designed to seperate people from their money. Aside from being so shitty no one would be seen there which sounds about on par for his 'brand'.",
">\n\n\nTrump managed to bankrupt a casino,\n\nthats not quite accurate\ni think it was 3 casinos at least.",
">\n\n\nGiuliani also said top secret files are \"very, very strange the way they're put together\" and \"often are very small, but they contain a lot of information.\"\n\nFor the love of god please please shut up.",
">\n\nTalking about the formatting of top secret docs is literally giving away classified information. How is this guy not in prison yet?",
">\n\nThat guy was president.., that’s why.\nRemember when a game show host ran for president?\nDo you remember thinking it was a complete joke? \nAnd then that pathetic liar and ruiner of lives actually won?\nThat’s why… \n…cuz half of this country “hated school”…and is also ironically still stuck in high school",
">\n\n\nhalf of this country “hated school”…and is also ironically still stuck in high school\n\nThis hits hard. While there's no simple explanation for what's happening, I feel this hits the nail on the head. So much I think many \"conservatives\" and \"centrists\" would agree.",
">\n\n\nGiuliani said he was at Mar-a-Lago, working on \"vetting\" some \"very rich\" people — specifically, going through their tax returns for Trump. \n\nUm what?",
">\n\nVery legal. Very cool.",
">\n\nI mean, it's so casual for them to be doing this that they are talking about it openly. So I guess this is how our government is run?",
">\n\nWell It's how Trump's government was run.",
">\n\nReferring to a government under a certain president’s term as their government is common practice. Things and the procedures by which they happen change drastically with the new leader nearly every time.\nThough, to your point, it has been the same shitstorm for a while now.\nPointless comment over and out. o7",
">\n\nWhat is the play here by Giuliani… what is he up to"
] |
>
They definitely have mutual dirt on each other going back decades.
The idiot almost said as much in public, saying that he had "insurance."
It kind of explains the desperation. Not the idiocy, though.
|
[
"Did Rudy have security clearance to even view those documents?",
">\n\nNone of Trumps top advisors (including all his kids) could pass security clearance standards.",
">\n\nYet they held them :P. At least Kushner did.",
">\n\nThey all did, Kushner was the one who immediately rose suspection.",
">\n\nTrump had to personally step in to grant Kush his clearance because he kept getting caught lying on his application forms.",
">\n\nHow did he give him clearance, just thinking about it?",
">\n\nHe just had to say . \"You now have top secret clearance . \"",
">\n\nI didn't know that Jabba the Hutt had jedi mind powers...",
">\n\nCome on, even the most corrupt crimelord in a Galaxy Far, Far Away paid his subcontractors and ran an efficient criminal enterprise.\nTrump managed to bankrupt a casino, and I still have yet to truly understand how he failed a place that is designed to seperate people from their money. Aside from being so shitty no one would be seen there which sounds about on par for his 'brand'.",
">\n\n\nTrump managed to bankrupt a casino,\n\nthats not quite accurate\ni think it was 3 casinos at least.",
">\n\n\nGiuliani also said top secret files are \"very, very strange the way they're put together\" and \"often are very small, but they contain a lot of information.\"\n\nFor the love of god please please shut up.",
">\n\nTalking about the formatting of top secret docs is literally giving away classified information. How is this guy not in prison yet?",
">\n\nThat guy was president.., that’s why.\nRemember when a game show host ran for president?\nDo you remember thinking it was a complete joke? \nAnd then that pathetic liar and ruiner of lives actually won?\nThat’s why… \n…cuz half of this country “hated school”…and is also ironically still stuck in high school",
">\n\n\nhalf of this country “hated school”…and is also ironically still stuck in high school\n\nThis hits hard. While there's no simple explanation for what's happening, I feel this hits the nail on the head. So much I think many \"conservatives\" and \"centrists\" would agree.",
">\n\n\nGiuliani said he was at Mar-a-Lago, working on \"vetting\" some \"very rich\" people — specifically, going through their tax returns for Trump. \n\nUm what?",
">\n\nVery legal. Very cool.",
">\n\nI mean, it's so casual for them to be doing this that they are talking about it openly. So I guess this is how our government is run?",
">\n\nWell It's how Trump's government was run.",
">\n\nReferring to a government under a certain president’s term as their government is common practice. Things and the procedures by which they happen change drastically with the new leader nearly every time.\nThough, to your point, it has been the same shitstorm for a while now.\nPointless comment over and out. o7",
">\n\nWhat is the play here by Giuliani… what is he up to",
">\n\nTrump didn't pay him for his work promoting the big lie and trying to get the election overturned, so...."
] |
>
But I don’t see endless headlines to get Julie in any legal trouble. I wonder if this is an attempt to save his own ass through some deal.
|
[
"Did Rudy have security clearance to even view those documents?",
">\n\nNone of Trumps top advisors (including all his kids) could pass security clearance standards.",
">\n\nYet they held them :P. At least Kushner did.",
">\n\nThey all did, Kushner was the one who immediately rose suspection.",
">\n\nTrump had to personally step in to grant Kush his clearance because he kept getting caught lying on his application forms.",
">\n\nHow did he give him clearance, just thinking about it?",
">\n\nHe just had to say . \"You now have top secret clearance . \"",
">\n\nI didn't know that Jabba the Hutt had jedi mind powers...",
">\n\nCome on, even the most corrupt crimelord in a Galaxy Far, Far Away paid his subcontractors and ran an efficient criminal enterprise.\nTrump managed to bankrupt a casino, and I still have yet to truly understand how he failed a place that is designed to seperate people from their money. Aside from being so shitty no one would be seen there which sounds about on par for his 'brand'.",
">\n\n\nTrump managed to bankrupt a casino,\n\nthats not quite accurate\ni think it was 3 casinos at least.",
">\n\n\nGiuliani also said top secret files are \"very, very strange the way they're put together\" and \"often are very small, but they contain a lot of information.\"\n\nFor the love of god please please shut up.",
">\n\nTalking about the formatting of top secret docs is literally giving away classified information. How is this guy not in prison yet?",
">\n\nThat guy was president.., that’s why.\nRemember when a game show host ran for president?\nDo you remember thinking it was a complete joke? \nAnd then that pathetic liar and ruiner of lives actually won?\nThat’s why… \n…cuz half of this country “hated school”…and is also ironically still stuck in high school",
">\n\n\nhalf of this country “hated school”…and is also ironically still stuck in high school\n\nThis hits hard. While there's no simple explanation for what's happening, I feel this hits the nail on the head. So much I think many \"conservatives\" and \"centrists\" would agree.",
">\n\n\nGiuliani said he was at Mar-a-Lago, working on \"vetting\" some \"very rich\" people — specifically, going through their tax returns for Trump. \n\nUm what?",
">\n\nVery legal. Very cool.",
">\n\nI mean, it's so casual for them to be doing this that they are talking about it openly. So I guess this is how our government is run?",
">\n\nWell It's how Trump's government was run.",
">\n\nReferring to a government under a certain president’s term as their government is common practice. Things and the procedures by which they happen change drastically with the new leader nearly every time.\nThough, to your point, it has been the same shitstorm for a while now.\nPointless comment over and out. o7",
">\n\nWhat is the play here by Giuliani… what is he up to",
">\n\nTrump didn't pay him for his work promoting the big lie and trying to get the election overturned, so....",
">\n\nThey definitely have mutual dirt on each other going back decades.\nThe idiot almost said as much in public, saying that he had \"insurance.\"\nIt kind of explains the desperation. Not the idiocy, though."
] |
>
I'm just very confused. Giuliani had no right to look at classified documents, let alone take them home. Now he said he never took any home, but did he even read them? Just cause he's the President's lawyer, that doesn't automatically give some clearance right?
|
[
"Did Rudy have security clearance to even view those documents?",
">\n\nNone of Trumps top advisors (including all his kids) could pass security clearance standards.",
">\n\nYet they held them :P. At least Kushner did.",
">\n\nThey all did, Kushner was the one who immediately rose suspection.",
">\n\nTrump had to personally step in to grant Kush his clearance because he kept getting caught lying on his application forms.",
">\n\nHow did he give him clearance, just thinking about it?",
">\n\nHe just had to say . \"You now have top secret clearance . \"",
">\n\nI didn't know that Jabba the Hutt had jedi mind powers...",
">\n\nCome on, even the most corrupt crimelord in a Galaxy Far, Far Away paid his subcontractors and ran an efficient criminal enterprise.\nTrump managed to bankrupt a casino, and I still have yet to truly understand how he failed a place that is designed to seperate people from their money. Aside from being so shitty no one would be seen there which sounds about on par for his 'brand'.",
">\n\n\nTrump managed to bankrupt a casino,\n\nthats not quite accurate\ni think it was 3 casinos at least.",
">\n\n\nGiuliani also said top secret files are \"very, very strange the way they're put together\" and \"often are very small, but they contain a lot of information.\"\n\nFor the love of god please please shut up.",
">\n\nTalking about the formatting of top secret docs is literally giving away classified information. How is this guy not in prison yet?",
">\n\nThat guy was president.., that’s why.\nRemember when a game show host ran for president?\nDo you remember thinking it was a complete joke? \nAnd then that pathetic liar and ruiner of lives actually won?\nThat’s why… \n…cuz half of this country “hated school”…and is also ironically still stuck in high school",
">\n\n\nhalf of this country “hated school”…and is also ironically still stuck in high school\n\nThis hits hard. While there's no simple explanation for what's happening, I feel this hits the nail on the head. So much I think many \"conservatives\" and \"centrists\" would agree.",
">\n\n\nGiuliani said he was at Mar-a-Lago, working on \"vetting\" some \"very rich\" people — specifically, going through their tax returns for Trump. \n\nUm what?",
">\n\nVery legal. Very cool.",
">\n\nI mean, it's so casual for them to be doing this that they are talking about it openly. So I guess this is how our government is run?",
">\n\nWell It's how Trump's government was run.",
">\n\nReferring to a government under a certain president’s term as their government is common practice. Things and the procedures by which they happen change drastically with the new leader nearly every time.\nThough, to your point, it has been the same shitstorm for a while now.\nPointless comment over and out. o7",
">\n\nWhat is the play here by Giuliani… what is he up to",
">\n\nTrump didn't pay him for his work promoting the big lie and trying to get the election overturned, so....",
">\n\nThey definitely have mutual dirt on each other going back decades.\nThe idiot almost said as much in public, saying that he had \"insurance.\"\nIt kind of explains the desperation. Not the idiocy, though.",
">\n\nBut I don’t see endless headlines to get Julie in any legal trouble. I wonder if this is an attempt to save his own ass through some deal."
] |
>
I’ve never seen that and wish I hadn’t to be honest. So gross.
|
[
"Did Rudy have security clearance to even view those documents?",
">\n\nNone of Trumps top advisors (including all his kids) could pass security clearance standards.",
">\n\nYet they held them :P. At least Kushner did.",
">\n\nThey all did, Kushner was the one who immediately rose suspection.",
">\n\nTrump had to personally step in to grant Kush his clearance because he kept getting caught lying on his application forms.",
">\n\nHow did he give him clearance, just thinking about it?",
">\n\nHe just had to say . \"You now have top secret clearance . \"",
">\n\nI didn't know that Jabba the Hutt had jedi mind powers...",
">\n\nCome on, even the most corrupt crimelord in a Galaxy Far, Far Away paid his subcontractors and ran an efficient criminal enterprise.\nTrump managed to bankrupt a casino, and I still have yet to truly understand how he failed a place that is designed to seperate people from their money. Aside from being so shitty no one would be seen there which sounds about on par for his 'brand'.",
">\n\n\nTrump managed to bankrupt a casino,\n\nthats not quite accurate\ni think it was 3 casinos at least.",
">\n\n\nGiuliani also said top secret files are \"very, very strange the way they're put together\" and \"often are very small, but they contain a lot of information.\"\n\nFor the love of god please please shut up.",
">\n\nTalking about the formatting of top secret docs is literally giving away classified information. How is this guy not in prison yet?",
">\n\nThat guy was president.., that’s why.\nRemember when a game show host ran for president?\nDo you remember thinking it was a complete joke? \nAnd then that pathetic liar and ruiner of lives actually won?\nThat’s why… \n…cuz half of this country “hated school”…and is also ironically still stuck in high school",
">\n\n\nhalf of this country “hated school”…and is also ironically still stuck in high school\n\nThis hits hard. While there's no simple explanation for what's happening, I feel this hits the nail on the head. So much I think many \"conservatives\" and \"centrists\" would agree.",
">\n\n\nGiuliani said he was at Mar-a-Lago, working on \"vetting\" some \"very rich\" people — specifically, going through their tax returns for Trump. \n\nUm what?",
">\n\nVery legal. Very cool.",
">\n\nI mean, it's so casual for them to be doing this that they are talking about it openly. So I guess this is how our government is run?",
">\n\nWell It's how Trump's government was run.",
">\n\nReferring to a government under a certain president’s term as their government is common practice. Things and the procedures by which they happen change drastically with the new leader nearly every time.\nThough, to your point, it has been the same shitstorm for a while now.\nPointless comment over and out. o7",
">\n\nWhat is the play here by Giuliani… what is he up to",
">\n\nTrump didn't pay him for his work promoting the big lie and trying to get the election overturned, so....",
">\n\nThey definitely have mutual dirt on each other going back decades.\nThe idiot almost said as much in public, saying that he had \"insurance.\"\nIt kind of explains the desperation. Not the idiocy, though.",
">\n\nBut I don’t see endless headlines to get Julie in any legal trouble. I wonder if this is an attempt to save his own ass through some deal.",
">\n\nI'm just very confused. Giuliani had no right to look at classified documents, let alone take them home. Now he said he never took any home, but did he even read them? Just cause he's the President's lawyer, that doesn't automatically give some clearance right?"
] |
>
Did they hand out top secret documents in maralargo like some sort of goodie bag?
Like here is a diet coke, cheesburger Maga hat and some top secret satellite photos of Iranian nuke sites.
|
[
"Did Rudy have security clearance to even view those documents?",
">\n\nNone of Trumps top advisors (including all his kids) could pass security clearance standards.",
">\n\nYet they held them :P. At least Kushner did.",
">\n\nThey all did, Kushner was the one who immediately rose suspection.",
">\n\nTrump had to personally step in to grant Kush his clearance because he kept getting caught lying on his application forms.",
">\n\nHow did he give him clearance, just thinking about it?",
">\n\nHe just had to say . \"You now have top secret clearance . \"",
">\n\nI didn't know that Jabba the Hutt had jedi mind powers...",
">\n\nCome on, even the most corrupt crimelord in a Galaxy Far, Far Away paid his subcontractors and ran an efficient criminal enterprise.\nTrump managed to bankrupt a casino, and I still have yet to truly understand how he failed a place that is designed to seperate people from their money. Aside from being so shitty no one would be seen there which sounds about on par for his 'brand'.",
">\n\n\nTrump managed to bankrupt a casino,\n\nthats not quite accurate\ni think it was 3 casinos at least.",
">\n\n\nGiuliani also said top secret files are \"very, very strange the way they're put together\" and \"often are very small, but they contain a lot of information.\"\n\nFor the love of god please please shut up.",
">\n\nTalking about the formatting of top secret docs is literally giving away classified information. How is this guy not in prison yet?",
">\n\nThat guy was president.., that’s why.\nRemember when a game show host ran for president?\nDo you remember thinking it was a complete joke? \nAnd then that pathetic liar and ruiner of lives actually won?\nThat’s why… \n…cuz half of this country “hated school”…and is also ironically still stuck in high school",
">\n\n\nhalf of this country “hated school”…and is also ironically still stuck in high school\n\nThis hits hard. While there's no simple explanation for what's happening, I feel this hits the nail on the head. So much I think many \"conservatives\" and \"centrists\" would agree.",
">\n\n\nGiuliani said he was at Mar-a-Lago, working on \"vetting\" some \"very rich\" people — specifically, going through their tax returns for Trump. \n\nUm what?",
">\n\nVery legal. Very cool.",
">\n\nI mean, it's so casual for them to be doing this that they are talking about it openly. So I guess this is how our government is run?",
">\n\nWell It's how Trump's government was run.",
">\n\nReferring to a government under a certain president’s term as their government is common practice. Things and the procedures by which they happen change drastically with the new leader nearly every time.\nThough, to your point, it has been the same shitstorm for a while now.\nPointless comment over and out. o7",
">\n\nWhat is the play here by Giuliani… what is he up to",
">\n\nTrump didn't pay him for his work promoting the big lie and trying to get the election overturned, so....",
">\n\nThey definitely have mutual dirt on each other going back decades.\nThe idiot almost said as much in public, saying that he had \"insurance.\"\nIt kind of explains the desperation. Not the idiocy, though.",
">\n\nBut I don’t see endless headlines to get Julie in any legal trouble. I wonder if this is an attempt to save his own ass through some deal.",
">\n\nI'm just very confused. Giuliani had no right to look at classified documents, let alone take them home. Now he said he never took any home, but did he even read them? Just cause he's the President's lawyer, that doesn't automatically give some clearance right?",
">\n\nI’ve never seen that and wish I hadn’t to be honest. So gross."
] |
>
"What's your net worth? Ooooh, nice! Have a complimentary nuclear secret!"
"Dude, I just wanna know how to get to the pool."
|
[
"Did Rudy have security clearance to even view those documents?",
">\n\nNone of Trumps top advisors (including all his kids) could pass security clearance standards.",
">\n\nYet they held them :P. At least Kushner did.",
">\n\nThey all did, Kushner was the one who immediately rose suspection.",
">\n\nTrump had to personally step in to grant Kush his clearance because he kept getting caught lying on his application forms.",
">\n\nHow did he give him clearance, just thinking about it?",
">\n\nHe just had to say . \"You now have top secret clearance . \"",
">\n\nI didn't know that Jabba the Hutt had jedi mind powers...",
">\n\nCome on, even the most corrupt crimelord in a Galaxy Far, Far Away paid his subcontractors and ran an efficient criminal enterprise.\nTrump managed to bankrupt a casino, and I still have yet to truly understand how he failed a place that is designed to seperate people from their money. Aside from being so shitty no one would be seen there which sounds about on par for his 'brand'.",
">\n\n\nTrump managed to bankrupt a casino,\n\nthats not quite accurate\ni think it was 3 casinos at least.",
">\n\n\nGiuliani also said top secret files are \"very, very strange the way they're put together\" and \"often are very small, but they contain a lot of information.\"\n\nFor the love of god please please shut up.",
">\n\nTalking about the formatting of top secret docs is literally giving away classified information. How is this guy not in prison yet?",
">\n\nThat guy was president.., that’s why.\nRemember when a game show host ran for president?\nDo you remember thinking it was a complete joke? \nAnd then that pathetic liar and ruiner of lives actually won?\nThat’s why… \n…cuz half of this country “hated school”…and is also ironically still stuck in high school",
">\n\n\nhalf of this country “hated school”…and is also ironically still stuck in high school\n\nThis hits hard. While there's no simple explanation for what's happening, I feel this hits the nail on the head. So much I think many \"conservatives\" and \"centrists\" would agree.",
">\n\n\nGiuliani said he was at Mar-a-Lago, working on \"vetting\" some \"very rich\" people — specifically, going through their tax returns for Trump. \n\nUm what?",
">\n\nVery legal. Very cool.",
">\n\nI mean, it's so casual for them to be doing this that they are talking about it openly. So I guess this is how our government is run?",
">\n\nWell It's how Trump's government was run.",
">\n\nReferring to a government under a certain president’s term as their government is common practice. Things and the procedures by which they happen change drastically with the new leader nearly every time.\nThough, to your point, it has been the same shitstorm for a while now.\nPointless comment over and out. o7",
">\n\nWhat is the play here by Giuliani… what is he up to",
">\n\nTrump didn't pay him for his work promoting the big lie and trying to get the election overturned, so....",
">\n\nThey definitely have mutual dirt on each other going back decades.\nThe idiot almost said as much in public, saying that he had \"insurance.\"\nIt kind of explains the desperation. Not the idiocy, though.",
">\n\nBut I don’t see endless headlines to get Julie in any legal trouble. I wonder if this is an attempt to save his own ass through some deal.",
">\n\nI'm just very confused. Giuliani had no right to look at classified documents, let alone take them home. Now he said he never took any home, but did he even read them? Just cause he's the President's lawyer, that doesn't automatically give some clearance right?",
">\n\nI’ve never seen that and wish I hadn’t to be honest. So gross.",
">\n\nDid they hand out top secret documents in maralargo like some sort of goodie bag? \nLike here is a diet coke, cheesburger Maga hat and some top secret satellite photos of Iranian nuke sites."
] |
>
"He told me, 'Oh, take them home with you,'" Giuliani said of Trump. "I'm not going to take Wilbur Ross' tax returns home with me. I could misplace them!"
"I — you know, I never, ever, ever, ever, ever, knowingly, and I never got caught — but I don't remember ever taking a doc," Giuliani added. He said he would place documents in a small safe at his desk in Mar-a-Lago to be worked on the next day.
Giuliani also said top secret files are "very, very strange the way they're put together" and "often are very small, but they contain a lot of information."
|
[
"Did Rudy have security clearance to even view those documents?",
">\n\nNone of Trumps top advisors (including all his kids) could pass security clearance standards.",
">\n\nYet they held them :P. At least Kushner did.",
">\n\nThey all did, Kushner was the one who immediately rose suspection.",
">\n\nTrump had to personally step in to grant Kush his clearance because he kept getting caught lying on his application forms.",
">\n\nHow did he give him clearance, just thinking about it?",
">\n\nHe just had to say . \"You now have top secret clearance . \"",
">\n\nI didn't know that Jabba the Hutt had jedi mind powers...",
">\n\nCome on, even the most corrupt crimelord in a Galaxy Far, Far Away paid his subcontractors and ran an efficient criminal enterprise.\nTrump managed to bankrupt a casino, and I still have yet to truly understand how he failed a place that is designed to seperate people from their money. Aside from being so shitty no one would be seen there which sounds about on par for his 'brand'.",
">\n\n\nTrump managed to bankrupt a casino,\n\nthats not quite accurate\ni think it was 3 casinos at least.",
">\n\n\nGiuliani also said top secret files are \"very, very strange the way they're put together\" and \"often are very small, but they contain a lot of information.\"\n\nFor the love of god please please shut up.",
">\n\nTalking about the formatting of top secret docs is literally giving away classified information. How is this guy not in prison yet?",
">\n\nThat guy was president.., that’s why.\nRemember when a game show host ran for president?\nDo you remember thinking it was a complete joke? \nAnd then that pathetic liar and ruiner of lives actually won?\nThat’s why… \n…cuz half of this country “hated school”…and is also ironically still stuck in high school",
">\n\n\nhalf of this country “hated school”…and is also ironically still stuck in high school\n\nThis hits hard. While there's no simple explanation for what's happening, I feel this hits the nail on the head. So much I think many \"conservatives\" and \"centrists\" would agree.",
">\n\n\nGiuliani said he was at Mar-a-Lago, working on \"vetting\" some \"very rich\" people — specifically, going through their tax returns for Trump. \n\nUm what?",
">\n\nVery legal. Very cool.",
">\n\nI mean, it's so casual for them to be doing this that they are talking about it openly. So I guess this is how our government is run?",
">\n\nWell It's how Trump's government was run.",
">\n\nReferring to a government under a certain president’s term as their government is common practice. Things and the procedures by which they happen change drastically with the new leader nearly every time.\nThough, to your point, it has been the same shitstorm for a while now.\nPointless comment over and out. o7",
">\n\nWhat is the play here by Giuliani… what is he up to",
">\n\nTrump didn't pay him for his work promoting the big lie and trying to get the election overturned, so....",
">\n\nThey definitely have mutual dirt on each other going back decades.\nThe idiot almost said as much in public, saying that he had \"insurance.\"\nIt kind of explains the desperation. Not the idiocy, though.",
">\n\nBut I don’t see endless headlines to get Julie in any legal trouble. I wonder if this is an attempt to save his own ass through some deal.",
">\n\nI'm just very confused. Giuliani had no right to look at classified documents, let alone take them home. Now he said he never took any home, but did he even read them? Just cause he's the President's lawyer, that doesn't automatically give some clearance right?",
">\n\nI’ve never seen that and wish I hadn’t to be honest. So gross.",
">\n\nDid they hand out top secret documents in maralargo like some sort of goodie bag? \nLike here is a diet coke, cheesburger Maga hat and some top secret satellite photos of Iranian nuke sites.",
">\n\n\"What's your net worth? Ooooh, nice! Have a complimentary nuclear secret!\"\n\"Dude, I just wanna know how to get to the pool.\""
] |
>
Giuliani sounds guilty as hell to me.
|
[
"Did Rudy have security clearance to even view those documents?",
">\n\nNone of Trumps top advisors (including all his kids) could pass security clearance standards.",
">\n\nYet they held them :P. At least Kushner did.",
">\n\nThey all did, Kushner was the one who immediately rose suspection.",
">\n\nTrump had to personally step in to grant Kush his clearance because he kept getting caught lying on his application forms.",
">\n\nHow did he give him clearance, just thinking about it?",
">\n\nHe just had to say . \"You now have top secret clearance . \"",
">\n\nI didn't know that Jabba the Hutt had jedi mind powers...",
">\n\nCome on, even the most corrupt crimelord in a Galaxy Far, Far Away paid his subcontractors and ran an efficient criminal enterprise.\nTrump managed to bankrupt a casino, and I still have yet to truly understand how he failed a place that is designed to seperate people from their money. Aside from being so shitty no one would be seen there which sounds about on par for his 'brand'.",
">\n\n\nTrump managed to bankrupt a casino,\n\nthats not quite accurate\ni think it was 3 casinos at least.",
">\n\n\nGiuliani also said top secret files are \"very, very strange the way they're put together\" and \"often are very small, but they contain a lot of information.\"\n\nFor the love of god please please shut up.",
">\n\nTalking about the formatting of top secret docs is literally giving away classified information. How is this guy not in prison yet?",
">\n\nThat guy was president.., that’s why.\nRemember when a game show host ran for president?\nDo you remember thinking it was a complete joke? \nAnd then that pathetic liar and ruiner of lives actually won?\nThat’s why… \n…cuz half of this country “hated school”…and is also ironically still stuck in high school",
">\n\n\nhalf of this country “hated school”…and is also ironically still stuck in high school\n\nThis hits hard. While there's no simple explanation for what's happening, I feel this hits the nail on the head. So much I think many \"conservatives\" and \"centrists\" would agree.",
">\n\n\nGiuliani said he was at Mar-a-Lago, working on \"vetting\" some \"very rich\" people — specifically, going through their tax returns for Trump. \n\nUm what?",
">\n\nVery legal. Very cool.",
">\n\nI mean, it's so casual for them to be doing this that they are talking about it openly. So I guess this is how our government is run?",
">\n\nWell It's how Trump's government was run.",
">\n\nReferring to a government under a certain president’s term as their government is common practice. Things and the procedures by which they happen change drastically with the new leader nearly every time.\nThough, to your point, it has been the same shitstorm for a while now.\nPointless comment over and out. o7",
">\n\nWhat is the play here by Giuliani… what is he up to",
">\n\nTrump didn't pay him for his work promoting the big lie and trying to get the election overturned, so....",
">\n\nThey definitely have mutual dirt on each other going back decades.\nThe idiot almost said as much in public, saying that he had \"insurance.\"\nIt kind of explains the desperation. Not the idiocy, though.",
">\n\nBut I don’t see endless headlines to get Julie in any legal trouble. I wonder if this is an attempt to save his own ass through some deal.",
">\n\nI'm just very confused. Giuliani had no right to look at classified documents, let alone take them home. Now he said he never took any home, but did he even read them? Just cause he's the President's lawyer, that doesn't automatically give some clearance right?",
">\n\nI’ve never seen that and wish I hadn’t to be honest. So gross.",
">\n\nDid they hand out top secret documents in maralargo like some sort of goodie bag? \nLike here is a diet coke, cheesburger Maga hat and some top secret satellite photos of Iranian nuke sites.",
">\n\n\"What's your net worth? Ooooh, nice! Have a complimentary nuclear secret!\"\n\"Dude, I just wanna know how to get to the pool.\"",
">\n\n\"He told me, 'Oh, take them home with you,'\" Giuliani said of Trump. \"I'm not going to take Wilbur Ross' tax returns home with me. I could misplace them!\"\n\"I — you know, I never, ever, ever, ever, ever, knowingly, and I never got caught — but I don't remember ever taking a doc,\" Giuliani added. He said he would place documents in a small safe at his desk in Mar-a-Lago to be worked on the next day.\nGiuliani also said top secret files are \"very, very strange the way they're put together\" and \"often are very small, but they contain a lot of information.\""
] |
>
I never, ever ever ever ever
Words of an innocent man I tell ya
|
[
"Did Rudy have security clearance to even view those documents?",
">\n\nNone of Trumps top advisors (including all his kids) could pass security clearance standards.",
">\n\nYet they held them :P. At least Kushner did.",
">\n\nThey all did, Kushner was the one who immediately rose suspection.",
">\n\nTrump had to personally step in to grant Kush his clearance because he kept getting caught lying on his application forms.",
">\n\nHow did he give him clearance, just thinking about it?",
">\n\nHe just had to say . \"You now have top secret clearance . \"",
">\n\nI didn't know that Jabba the Hutt had jedi mind powers...",
">\n\nCome on, even the most corrupt crimelord in a Galaxy Far, Far Away paid his subcontractors and ran an efficient criminal enterprise.\nTrump managed to bankrupt a casino, and I still have yet to truly understand how he failed a place that is designed to seperate people from their money. Aside from being so shitty no one would be seen there which sounds about on par for his 'brand'.",
">\n\n\nTrump managed to bankrupt a casino,\n\nthats not quite accurate\ni think it was 3 casinos at least.",
">\n\n\nGiuliani also said top secret files are \"very, very strange the way they're put together\" and \"often are very small, but they contain a lot of information.\"\n\nFor the love of god please please shut up.",
">\n\nTalking about the formatting of top secret docs is literally giving away classified information. How is this guy not in prison yet?",
">\n\nThat guy was president.., that’s why.\nRemember when a game show host ran for president?\nDo you remember thinking it was a complete joke? \nAnd then that pathetic liar and ruiner of lives actually won?\nThat’s why… \n…cuz half of this country “hated school”…and is also ironically still stuck in high school",
">\n\n\nhalf of this country “hated school”…and is also ironically still stuck in high school\n\nThis hits hard. While there's no simple explanation for what's happening, I feel this hits the nail on the head. So much I think many \"conservatives\" and \"centrists\" would agree.",
">\n\n\nGiuliani said he was at Mar-a-Lago, working on \"vetting\" some \"very rich\" people — specifically, going through their tax returns for Trump. \n\nUm what?",
">\n\nVery legal. Very cool.",
">\n\nI mean, it's so casual for them to be doing this that they are talking about it openly. So I guess this is how our government is run?",
">\n\nWell It's how Trump's government was run.",
">\n\nReferring to a government under a certain president’s term as their government is common practice. Things and the procedures by which they happen change drastically with the new leader nearly every time.\nThough, to your point, it has been the same shitstorm for a while now.\nPointless comment over and out. o7",
">\n\nWhat is the play here by Giuliani… what is he up to",
">\n\nTrump didn't pay him for his work promoting the big lie and trying to get the election overturned, so....",
">\n\nThey definitely have mutual dirt on each other going back decades.\nThe idiot almost said as much in public, saying that he had \"insurance.\"\nIt kind of explains the desperation. Not the idiocy, though.",
">\n\nBut I don’t see endless headlines to get Julie in any legal trouble. I wonder if this is an attempt to save his own ass through some deal.",
">\n\nI'm just very confused. Giuliani had no right to look at classified documents, let alone take them home. Now he said he never took any home, but did he even read them? Just cause he's the President's lawyer, that doesn't automatically give some clearance right?",
">\n\nI’ve never seen that and wish I hadn’t to be honest. So gross.",
">\n\nDid they hand out top secret documents in maralargo like some sort of goodie bag? \nLike here is a diet coke, cheesburger Maga hat and some top secret satellite photos of Iranian nuke sites.",
">\n\n\"What's your net worth? Ooooh, nice! Have a complimentary nuclear secret!\"\n\"Dude, I just wanna know how to get to the pool.\"",
">\n\n\"He told me, 'Oh, take them home with you,'\" Giuliani said of Trump. \"I'm not going to take Wilbur Ross' tax returns home with me. I could misplace them!\"\n\"I — you know, I never, ever, ever, ever, ever, knowingly, and I never got caught — but I don't remember ever taking a doc,\" Giuliani added. He said he would place documents in a small safe at his desk in Mar-a-Lago to be worked on the next day.\nGiuliani also said top secret files are \"very, very strange the way they're put together\" and \"often are very small, but they contain a lot of information.\"",
">\n\nGiuliani sounds guilty as hell to me."
] |
>
"and I never got caught" lol
|
[
"Did Rudy have security clearance to even view those documents?",
">\n\nNone of Trumps top advisors (including all his kids) could pass security clearance standards.",
">\n\nYet they held them :P. At least Kushner did.",
">\n\nThey all did, Kushner was the one who immediately rose suspection.",
">\n\nTrump had to personally step in to grant Kush his clearance because he kept getting caught lying on his application forms.",
">\n\nHow did he give him clearance, just thinking about it?",
">\n\nHe just had to say . \"You now have top secret clearance . \"",
">\n\nI didn't know that Jabba the Hutt had jedi mind powers...",
">\n\nCome on, even the most corrupt crimelord in a Galaxy Far, Far Away paid his subcontractors and ran an efficient criminal enterprise.\nTrump managed to bankrupt a casino, and I still have yet to truly understand how he failed a place that is designed to seperate people from their money. Aside from being so shitty no one would be seen there which sounds about on par for his 'brand'.",
">\n\n\nTrump managed to bankrupt a casino,\n\nthats not quite accurate\ni think it was 3 casinos at least.",
">\n\n\nGiuliani also said top secret files are \"very, very strange the way they're put together\" and \"often are very small, but they contain a lot of information.\"\n\nFor the love of god please please shut up.",
">\n\nTalking about the formatting of top secret docs is literally giving away classified information. How is this guy not in prison yet?",
">\n\nThat guy was president.., that’s why.\nRemember when a game show host ran for president?\nDo you remember thinking it was a complete joke? \nAnd then that pathetic liar and ruiner of lives actually won?\nThat’s why… \n…cuz half of this country “hated school”…and is also ironically still stuck in high school",
">\n\n\nhalf of this country “hated school”…and is also ironically still stuck in high school\n\nThis hits hard. While there's no simple explanation for what's happening, I feel this hits the nail on the head. So much I think many \"conservatives\" and \"centrists\" would agree.",
">\n\n\nGiuliani said he was at Mar-a-Lago, working on \"vetting\" some \"very rich\" people — specifically, going through their tax returns for Trump. \n\nUm what?",
">\n\nVery legal. Very cool.",
">\n\nI mean, it's so casual for them to be doing this that they are talking about it openly. So I guess this is how our government is run?",
">\n\nWell It's how Trump's government was run.",
">\n\nReferring to a government under a certain president’s term as their government is common practice. Things and the procedures by which they happen change drastically with the new leader nearly every time.\nThough, to your point, it has been the same shitstorm for a while now.\nPointless comment over and out. o7",
">\n\nWhat is the play here by Giuliani… what is he up to",
">\n\nTrump didn't pay him for his work promoting the big lie and trying to get the election overturned, so....",
">\n\nThey definitely have mutual dirt on each other going back decades.\nThe idiot almost said as much in public, saying that he had \"insurance.\"\nIt kind of explains the desperation. Not the idiocy, though.",
">\n\nBut I don’t see endless headlines to get Julie in any legal trouble. I wonder if this is an attempt to save his own ass through some deal.",
">\n\nI'm just very confused. Giuliani had no right to look at classified documents, let alone take them home. Now he said he never took any home, but did he even read them? Just cause he's the President's lawyer, that doesn't automatically give some clearance right?",
">\n\nI’ve never seen that and wish I hadn’t to be honest. So gross.",
">\n\nDid they hand out top secret documents in maralargo like some sort of goodie bag? \nLike here is a diet coke, cheesburger Maga hat and some top secret satellite photos of Iranian nuke sites.",
">\n\n\"What's your net worth? Ooooh, nice! Have a complimentary nuclear secret!\"\n\"Dude, I just wanna know how to get to the pool.\"",
">\n\n\"He told me, 'Oh, take them home with you,'\" Giuliani said of Trump. \"I'm not going to take Wilbur Ross' tax returns home with me. I could misplace them!\"\n\"I — you know, I never, ever, ever, ever, ever, knowingly, and I never got caught — but I don't remember ever taking a doc,\" Giuliani added. He said he would place documents in a small safe at his desk in Mar-a-Lago to be worked on the next day.\nGiuliani also said top secret files are \"very, very strange the way they're put together\" and \"often are very small, but they contain a lot of information.\"",
">\n\nGiuliani sounds guilty as hell to me.",
">\n\n\nI never, ever ever ever ever\n\nWords of an innocent man I tell ya"
] |
>
He said the thing he wasn’t supposed to say out loud.
|
[
"Did Rudy have security clearance to even view those documents?",
">\n\nNone of Trumps top advisors (including all his kids) could pass security clearance standards.",
">\n\nYet they held them :P. At least Kushner did.",
">\n\nThey all did, Kushner was the one who immediately rose suspection.",
">\n\nTrump had to personally step in to grant Kush his clearance because he kept getting caught lying on his application forms.",
">\n\nHow did he give him clearance, just thinking about it?",
">\n\nHe just had to say . \"You now have top secret clearance . \"",
">\n\nI didn't know that Jabba the Hutt had jedi mind powers...",
">\n\nCome on, even the most corrupt crimelord in a Galaxy Far, Far Away paid his subcontractors and ran an efficient criminal enterprise.\nTrump managed to bankrupt a casino, and I still have yet to truly understand how he failed a place that is designed to seperate people from their money. Aside from being so shitty no one would be seen there which sounds about on par for his 'brand'.",
">\n\n\nTrump managed to bankrupt a casino,\n\nthats not quite accurate\ni think it was 3 casinos at least.",
">\n\n\nGiuliani also said top secret files are \"very, very strange the way they're put together\" and \"often are very small, but they contain a lot of information.\"\n\nFor the love of god please please shut up.",
">\n\nTalking about the formatting of top secret docs is literally giving away classified information. How is this guy not in prison yet?",
">\n\nThat guy was president.., that’s why.\nRemember when a game show host ran for president?\nDo you remember thinking it was a complete joke? \nAnd then that pathetic liar and ruiner of lives actually won?\nThat’s why… \n…cuz half of this country “hated school”…and is also ironically still stuck in high school",
">\n\n\nhalf of this country “hated school”…and is also ironically still stuck in high school\n\nThis hits hard. While there's no simple explanation for what's happening, I feel this hits the nail on the head. So much I think many \"conservatives\" and \"centrists\" would agree.",
">\n\n\nGiuliani said he was at Mar-a-Lago, working on \"vetting\" some \"very rich\" people — specifically, going through their tax returns for Trump. \n\nUm what?",
">\n\nVery legal. Very cool.",
">\n\nI mean, it's so casual for them to be doing this that they are talking about it openly. So I guess this is how our government is run?",
">\n\nWell It's how Trump's government was run.",
">\n\nReferring to a government under a certain president’s term as their government is common practice. Things and the procedures by which they happen change drastically with the new leader nearly every time.\nThough, to your point, it has been the same shitstorm for a while now.\nPointless comment over and out. o7",
">\n\nWhat is the play here by Giuliani… what is he up to",
">\n\nTrump didn't pay him for his work promoting the big lie and trying to get the election overturned, so....",
">\n\nThey definitely have mutual dirt on each other going back decades.\nThe idiot almost said as much in public, saying that he had \"insurance.\"\nIt kind of explains the desperation. Not the idiocy, though.",
">\n\nBut I don’t see endless headlines to get Julie in any legal trouble. I wonder if this is an attempt to save his own ass through some deal.",
">\n\nI'm just very confused. Giuliani had no right to look at classified documents, let alone take them home. Now he said he never took any home, but did he even read them? Just cause he's the President's lawyer, that doesn't automatically give some clearance right?",
">\n\nI’ve never seen that and wish I hadn’t to be honest. So gross.",
">\n\nDid they hand out top secret documents in maralargo like some sort of goodie bag? \nLike here is a diet coke, cheesburger Maga hat and some top secret satellite photos of Iranian nuke sites.",
">\n\n\"What's your net worth? Ooooh, nice! Have a complimentary nuclear secret!\"\n\"Dude, I just wanna know how to get to the pool.\"",
">\n\n\"He told me, 'Oh, take them home with you,'\" Giuliani said of Trump. \"I'm not going to take Wilbur Ross' tax returns home with me. I could misplace them!\"\n\"I — you know, I never, ever, ever, ever, ever, knowingly, and I never got caught — but I don't remember ever taking a doc,\" Giuliani added. He said he would place documents in a small safe at his desk in Mar-a-Lago to be worked on the next day.\nGiuliani also said top secret files are \"very, very strange the way they're put together\" and \"often are very small, but they contain a lot of information.\"",
">\n\nGiuliani sounds guilty as hell to me.",
">\n\n\nI never, ever ever ever ever\n\nWords of an innocent man I tell ya",
">\n\n\"and I never got caught\" lol"
] |
>
I believe at least two things are in play here.
1st, and most importantly, Trump took those documents to sell nuclear secrets to the Saudis. I absolutely believe this happened.
The other is that Trump is a grandiose narcissistic braggart. He took those documents just so that he could brag to people that he has possession of TS documents.
|
[
"Did Rudy have security clearance to even view those documents?",
">\n\nNone of Trumps top advisors (including all his kids) could pass security clearance standards.",
">\n\nYet they held them :P. At least Kushner did.",
">\n\nThey all did, Kushner was the one who immediately rose suspection.",
">\n\nTrump had to personally step in to grant Kush his clearance because he kept getting caught lying on his application forms.",
">\n\nHow did he give him clearance, just thinking about it?",
">\n\nHe just had to say . \"You now have top secret clearance . \"",
">\n\nI didn't know that Jabba the Hutt had jedi mind powers...",
">\n\nCome on, even the most corrupt crimelord in a Galaxy Far, Far Away paid his subcontractors and ran an efficient criminal enterprise.\nTrump managed to bankrupt a casino, and I still have yet to truly understand how he failed a place that is designed to seperate people from their money. Aside from being so shitty no one would be seen there which sounds about on par for his 'brand'.",
">\n\n\nTrump managed to bankrupt a casino,\n\nthats not quite accurate\ni think it was 3 casinos at least.",
">\n\n\nGiuliani also said top secret files are \"very, very strange the way they're put together\" and \"often are very small, but they contain a lot of information.\"\n\nFor the love of god please please shut up.",
">\n\nTalking about the formatting of top secret docs is literally giving away classified information. How is this guy not in prison yet?",
">\n\nThat guy was president.., that’s why.\nRemember when a game show host ran for president?\nDo you remember thinking it was a complete joke? \nAnd then that pathetic liar and ruiner of lives actually won?\nThat’s why… \n…cuz half of this country “hated school”…and is also ironically still stuck in high school",
">\n\n\nhalf of this country “hated school”…and is also ironically still stuck in high school\n\nThis hits hard. While there's no simple explanation for what's happening, I feel this hits the nail on the head. So much I think many \"conservatives\" and \"centrists\" would agree.",
">\n\n\nGiuliani said he was at Mar-a-Lago, working on \"vetting\" some \"very rich\" people — specifically, going through their tax returns for Trump. \n\nUm what?",
">\n\nVery legal. Very cool.",
">\n\nI mean, it's so casual for them to be doing this that they are talking about it openly. So I guess this is how our government is run?",
">\n\nWell It's how Trump's government was run.",
">\n\nReferring to a government under a certain president’s term as their government is common practice. Things and the procedures by which they happen change drastically with the new leader nearly every time.\nThough, to your point, it has been the same shitstorm for a while now.\nPointless comment over and out. o7",
">\n\nWhat is the play here by Giuliani… what is he up to",
">\n\nTrump didn't pay him for his work promoting the big lie and trying to get the election overturned, so....",
">\n\nThey definitely have mutual dirt on each other going back decades.\nThe idiot almost said as much in public, saying that he had \"insurance.\"\nIt kind of explains the desperation. Not the idiocy, though.",
">\n\nBut I don’t see endless headlines to get Julie in any legal trouble. I wonder if this is an attempt to save his own ass through some deal.",
">\n\nI'm just very confused. Giuliani had no right to look at classified documents, let alone take them home. Now he said he never took any home, but did he even read them? Just cause he's the President's lawyer, that doesn't automatically give some clearance right?",
">\n\nI’ve never seen that and wish I hadn’t to be honest. So gross.",
">\n\nDid they hand out top secret documents in maralargo like some sort of goodie bag? \nLike here is a diet coke, cheesburger Maga hat and some top secret satellite photos of Iranian nuke sites.",
">\n\n\"What's your net worth? Ooooh, nice! Have a complimentary nuclear secret!\"\n\"Dude, I just wanna know how to get to the pool.\"",
">\n\n\"He told me, 'Oh, take them home with you,'\" Giuliani said of Trump. \"I'm not going to take Wilbur Ross' tax returns home with me. I could misplace them!\"\n\"I — you know, I never, ever, ever, ever, ever, knowingly, and I never got caught — but I don't remember ever taking a doc,\" Giuliani added. He said he would place documents in a small safe at his desk in Mar-a-Lago to be worked on the next day.\nGiuliani also said top secret files are \"very, very strange the way they're put together\" and \"often are very small, but they contain a lot of information.\"",
">\n\nGiuliani sounds guilty as hell to me.",
">\n\n\nI never, ever ever ever ever\n\nWords of an innocent man I tell ya",
">\n\n\"and I never got caught\" lol",
">\n\nHe said the thing he wasn’t supposed to say out loud."
] |
>
Is there any reporting on the 1st assumption?
|
[
"Did Rudy have security clearance to even view those documents?",
">\n\nNone of Trumps top advisors (including all his kids) could pass security clearance standards.",
">\n\nYet they held them :P. At least Kushner did.",
">\n\nThey all did, Kushner was the one who immediately rose suspection.",
">\n\nTrump had to personally step in to grant Kush his clearance because he kept getting caught lying on his application forms.",
">\n\nHow did he give him clearance, just thinking about it?",
">\n\nHe just had to say . \"You now have top secret clearance . \"",
">\n\nI didn't know that Jabba the Hutt had jedi mind powers...",
">\n\nCome on, even the most corrupt crimelord in a Galaxy Far, Far Away paid his subcontractors and ran an efficient criminal enterprise.\nTrump managed to bankrupt a casino, and I still have yet to truly understand how he failed a place that is designed to seperate people from their money. Aside from being so shitty no one would be seen there which sounds about on par for his 'brand'.",
">\n\n\nTrump managed to bankrupt a casino,\n\nthats not quite accurate\ni think it was 3 casinos at least.",
">\n\n\nGiuliani also said top secret files are \"very, very strange the way they're put together\" and \"often are very small, but they contain a lot of information.\"\n\nFor the love of god please please shut up.",
">\n\nTalking about the formatting of top secret docs is literally giving away classified information. How is this guy not in prison yet?",
">\n\nThat guy was president.., that’s why.\nRemember when a game show host ran for president?\nDo you remember thinking it was a complete joke? \nAnd then that pathetic liar and ruiner of lives actually won?\nThat’s why… \n…cuz half of this country “hated school”…and is also ironically still stuck in high school",
">\n\n\nhalf of this country “hated school”…and is also ironically still stuck in high school\n\nThis hits hard. While there's no simple explanation for what's happening, I feel this hits the nail on the head. So much I think many \"conservatives\" and \"centrists\" would agree.",
">\n\n\nGiuliani said he was at Mar-a-Lago, working on \"vetting\" some \"very rich\" people — specifically, going through their tax returns for Trump. \n\nUm what?",
">\n\nVery legal. Very cool.",
">\n\nI mean, it's so casual for them to be doing this that they are talking about it openly. So I guess this is how our government is run?",
">\n\nWell It's how Trump's government was run.",
">\n\nReferring to a government under a certain president’s term as their government is common practice. Things and the procedures by which they happen change drastically with the new leader nearly every time.\nThough, to your point, it has been the same shitstorm for a while now.\nPointless comment over and out. o7",
">\n\nWhat is the play here by Giuliani… what is he up to",
">\n\nTrump didn't pay him for his work promoting the big lie and trying to get the election overturned, so....",
">\n\nThey definitely have mutual dirt on each other going back decades.\nThe idiot almost said as much in public, saying that he had \"insurance.\"\nIt kind of explains the desperation. Not the idiocy, though.",
">\n\nBut I don’t see endless headlines to get Julie in any legal trouble. I wonder if this is an attempt to save his own ass through some deal.",
">\n\nI'm just very confused. Giuliani had no right to look at classified documents, let alone take them home. Now he said he never took any home, but did he even read them? Just cause he's the President's lawyer, that doesn't automatically give some clearance right?",
">\n\nI’ve never seen that and wish I hadn’t to be honest. So gross.",
">\n\nDid they hand out top secret documents in maralargo like some sort of goodie bag? \nLike here is a diet coke, cheesburger Maga hat and some top secret satellite photos of Iranian nuke sites.",
">\n\n\"What's your net worth? Ooooh, nice! Have a complimentary nuclear secret!\"\n\"Dude, I just wanna know how to get to the pool.\"",
">\n\n\"He told me, 'Oh, take them home with you,'\" Giuliani said of Trump. \"I'm not going to take Wilbur Ross' tax returns home with me. I could misplace them!\"\n\"I — you know, I never, ever, ever, ever, ever, knowingly, and I never got caught — but I don't remember ever taking a doc,\" Giuliani added. He said he would place documents in a small safe at his desk in Mar-a-Lago to be worked on the next day.\nGiuliani also said top secret files are \"very, very strange the way they're put together\" and \"often are very small, but they contain a lot of information.\"",
">\n\nGiuliani sounds guilty as hell to me.",
">\n\n\nI never, ever ever ever ever\n\nWords of an innocent man I tell ya",
">\n\n\"and I never got caught\" lol",
">\n\nHe said the thing he wasn’t supposed to say out loud.",
">\n\nI believe at least two things are in play here.\n1st, and most importantly, Trump took those documents to sell nuclear secrets to the Saudis. I absolutely believe this happened.\nThe other is that Trump is a grandiose narcissistic braggart. He took those documents just so that he could brag to people that he has possession of TS documents."
] |
>
Nothing that would stand up in court. Just circumstantial stuff as far as I know right now. There were apparently nuclear documents, but I don't know what type of information was in them, and we know about the Saudi involvement with Kushner and the golf tournament thing with Trump.
|
[
"Did Rudy have security clearance to even view those documents?",
">\n\nNone of Trumps top advisors (including all his kids) could pass security clearance standards.",
">\n\nYet they held them :P. At least Kushner did.",
">\n\nThey all did, Kushner was the one who immediately rose suspection.",
">\n\nTrump had to personally step in to grant Kush his clearance because he kept getting caught lying on his application forms.",
">\n\nHow did he give him clearance, just thinking about it?",
">\n\nHe just had to say . \"You now have top secret clearance . \"",
">\n\nI didn't know that Jabba the Hutt had jedi mind powers...",
">\n\nCome on, even the most corrupt crimelord in a Galaxy Far, Far Away paid his subcontractors and ran an efficient criminal enterprise.\nTrump managed to bankrupt a casino, and I still have yet to truly understand how he failed a place that is designed to seperate people from their money. Aside from being so shitty no one would be seen there which sounds about on par for his 'brand'.",
">\n\n\nTrump managed to bankrupt a casino,\n\nthats not quite accurate\ni think it was 3 casinos at least.",
">\n\n\nGiuliani also said top secret files are \"very, very strange the way they're put together\" and \"often are very small, but they contain a lot of information.\"\n\nFor the love of god please please shut up.",
">\n\nTalking about the formatting of top secret docs is literally giving away classified information. How is this guy not in prison yet?",
">\n\nThat guy was president.., that’s why.\nRemember when a game show host ran for president?\nDo you remember thinking it was a complete joke? \nAnd then that pathetic liar and ruiner of lives actually won?\nThat’s why… \n…cuz half of this country “hated school”…and is also ironically still stuck in high school",
">\n\n\nhalf of this country “hated school”…and is also ironically still stuck in high school\n\nThis hits hard. While there's no simple explanation for what's happening, I feel this hits the nail on the head. So much I think many \"conservatives\" and \"centrists\" would agree.",
">\n\n\nGiuliani said he was at Mar-a-Lago, working on \"vetting\" some \"very rich\" people — specifically, going through their tax returns for Trump. \n\nUm what?",
">\n\nVery legal. Very cool.",
">\n\nI mean, it's so casual for them to be doing this that they are talking about it openly. So I guess this is how our government is run?",
">\n\nWell It's how Trump's government was run.",
">\n\nReferring to a government under a certain president’s term as their government is common practice. Things and the procedures by which they happen change drastically with the new leader nearly every time.\nThough, to your point, it has been the same shitstorm for a while now.\nPointless comment over and out. o7",
">\n\nWhat is the play here by Giuliani… what is he up to",
">\n\nTrump didn't pay him for his work promoting the big lie and trying to get the election overturned, so....",
">\n\nThey definitely have mutual dirt on each other going back decades.\nThe idiot almost said as much in public, saying that he had \"insurance.\"\nIt kind of explains the desperation. Not the idiocy, though.",
">\n\nBut I don’t see endless headlines to get Julie in any legal trouble. I wonder if this is an attempt to save his own ass through some deal.",
">\n\nI'm just very confused. Giuliani had no right to look at classified documents, let alone take them home. Now he said he never took any home, but did he even read them? Just cause he's the President's lawyer, that doesn't automatically give some clearance right?",
">\n\nI’ve never seen that and wish I hadn’t to be honest. So gross.",
">\n\nDid they hand out top secret documents in maralargo like some sort of goodie bag? \nLike here is a diet coke, cheesburger Maga hat and some top secret satellite photos of Iranian nuke sites.",
">\n\n\"What's your net worth? Ooooh, nice! Have a complimentary nuclear secret!\"\n\"Dude, I just wanna know how to get to the pool.\"",
">\n\n\"He told me, 'Oh, take them home with you,'\" Giuliani said of Trump. \"I'm not going to take Wilbur Ross' tax returns home with me. I could misplace them!\"\n\"I — you know, I never, ever, ever, ever, ever, knowingly, and I never got caught — but I don't remember ever taking a doc,\" Giuliani added. He said he would place documents in a small safe at his desk in Mar-a-Lago to be worked on the next day.\nGiuliani also said top secret files are \"very, very strange the way they're put together\" and \"often are very small, but they contain a lot of information.\"",
">\n\nGiuliani sounds guilty as hell to me.",
">\n\n\nI never, ever ever ever ever\n\nWords of an innocent man I tell ya",
">\n\n\"and I never got caught\" lol",
">\n\nHe said the thing he wasn’t supposed to say out loud.",
">\n\nI believe at least two things are in play here.\n1st, and most importantly, Trump took those documents to sell nuclear secrets to the Saudis. I absolutely believe this happened.\nThe other is that Trump is a grandiose narcissistic braggart. He took those documents just so that he could brag to people that he has possession of TS documents.",
">\n\nIs there any reporting on the 1st assumption?"
] |
>
Ah okay, just curious.
|
[
"Did Rudy have security clearance to even view those documents?",
">\n\nNone of Trumps top advisors (including all his kids) could pass security clearance standards.",
">\n\nYet they held them :P. At least Kushner did.",
">\n\nThey all did, Kushner was the one who immediately rose suspection.",
">\n\nTrump had to personally step in to grant Kush his clearance because he kept getting caught lying on his application forms.",
">\n\nHow did he give him clearance, just thinking about it?",
">\n\nHe just had to say . \"You now have top secret clearance . \"",
">\n\nI didn't know that Jabba the Hutt had jedi mind powers...",
">\n\nCome on, even the most corrupt crimelord in a Galaxy Far, Far Away paid his subcontractors and ran an efficient criminal enterprise.\nTrump managed to bankrupt a casino, and I still have yet to truly understand how he failed a place that is designed to seperate people from their money. Aside from being so shitty no one would be seen there which sounds about on par for his 'brand'.",
">\n\n\nTrump managed to bankrupt a casino,\n\nthats not quite accurate\ni think it was 3 casinos at least.",
">\n\n\nGiuliani also said top secret files are \"very, very strange the way they're put together\" and \"often are very small, but they contain a lot of information.\"\n\nFor the love of god please please shut up.",
">\n\nTalking about the formatting of top secret docs is literally giving away classified information. How is this guy not in prison yet?",
">\n\nThat guy was president.., that’s why.\nRemember when a game show host ran for president?\nDo you remember thinking it was a complete joke? \nAnd then that pathetic liar and ruiner of lives actually won?\nThat’s why… \n…cuz half of this country “hated school”…and is also ironically still stuck in high school",
">\n\n\nhalf of this country “hated school”…and is also ironically still stuck in high school\n\nThis hits hard. While there's no simple explanation for what's happening, I feel this hits the nail on the head. So much I think many \"conservatives\" and \"centrists\" would agree.",
">\n\n\nGiuliani said he was at Mar-a-Lago, working on \"vetting\" some \"very rich\" people — specifically, going through their tax returns for Trump. \n\nUm what?",
">\n\nVery legal. Very cool.",
">\n\nI mean, it's so casual for them to be doing this that they are talking about it openly. So I guess this is how our government is run?",
">\n\nWell It's how Trump's government was run.",
">\n\nReferring to a government under a certain president’s term as their government is common practice. Things and the procedures by which they happen change drastically with the new leader nearly every time.\nThough, to your point, it has been the same shitstorm for a while now.\nPointless comment over and out. o7",
">\n\nWhat is the play here by Giuliani… what is he up to",
">\n\nTrump didn't pay him for his work promoting the big lie and trying to get the election overturned, so....",
">\n\nThey definitely have mutual dirt on each other going back decades.\nThe idiot almost said as much in public, saying that he had \"insurance.\"\nIt kind of explains the desperation. Not the idiocy, though.",
">\n\nBut I don’t see endless headlines to get Julie in any legal trouble. I wonder if this is an attempt to save his own ass through some deal.",
">\n\nI'm just very confused. Giuliani had no right to look at classified documents, let alone take them home. Now he said he never took any home, but did he even read them? Just cause he's the President's lawyer, that doesn't automatically give some clearance right?",
">\n\nI’ve never seen that and wish I hadn’t to be honest. So gross.",
">\n\nDid they hand out top secret documents in maralargo like some sort of goodie bag? \nLike here is a diet coke, cheesburger Maga hat and some top secret satellite photos of Iranian nuke sites.",
">\n\n\"What's your net worth? Ooooh, nice! Have a complimentary nuclear secret!\"\n\"Dude, I just wanna know how to get to the pool.\"",
">\n\n\"He told me, 'Oh, take them home with you,'\" Giuliani said of Trump. \"I'm not going to take Wilbur Ross' tax returns home with me. I could misplace them!\"\n\"I — you know, I never, ever, ever, ever, ever, knowingly, and I never got caught — but I don't remember ever taking a doc,\" Giuliani added. He said he would place documents in a small safe at his desk in Mar-a-Lago to be worked on the next day.\nGiuliani also said top secret files are \"very, very strange the way they're put together\" and \"often are very small, but they contain a lot of information.\"",
">\n\nGiuliani sounds guilty as hell to me.",
">\n\n\nI never, ever ever ever ever\n\nWords of an innocent man I tell ya",
">\n\n\"and I never got caught\" lol",
">\n\nHe said the thing he wasn’t supposed to say out loud.",
">\n\nI believe at least two things are in play here.\n1st, and most importantly, Trump took those documents to sell nuclear secrets to the Saudis. I absolutely believe this happened.\nThe other is that Trump is a grandiose narcissistic braggart. He took those documents just so that he could brag to people that he has possession of TS documents.",
">\n\nIs there any reporting on the 1st assumption?",
">\n\nNothing that would stand up in court. Just circumstantial stuff as far as I know right now. There were apparently nuclear documents, but I don't know what type of information was in them, and we know about the Saudi involvement with Kushner and the golf tournament thing with Trump."
] |
>
and Giuliani is the type that can't seem to keep his mouth shut lol
|
[
"Did Rudy have security clearance to even view those documents?",
">\n\nNone of Trumps top advisors (including all his kids) could pass security clearance standards.",
">\n\nYet they held them :P. At least Kushner did.",
">\n\nThey all did, Kushner was the one who immediately rose suspection.",
">\n\nTrump had to personally step in to grant Kush his clearance because he kept getting caught lying on his application forms.",
">\n\nHow did he give him clearance, just thinking about it?",
">\n\nHe just had to say . \"You now have top secret clearance . \"",
">\n\nI didn't know that Jabba the Hutt had jedi mind powers...",
">\n\nCome on, even the most corrupt crimelord in a Galaxy Far, Far Away paid his subcontractors and ran an efficient criminal enterprise.\nTrump managed to bankrupt a casino, and I still have yet to truly understand how he failed a place that is designed to seperate people from their money. Aside from being so shitty no one would be seen there which sounds about on par for his 'brand'.",
">\n\n\nTrump managed to bankrupt a casino,\n\nthats not quite accurate\ni think it was 3 casinos at least.",
">\n\n\nGiuliani also said top secret files are \"very, very strange the way they're put together\" and \"often are very small, but they contain a lot of information.\"\n\nFor the love of god please please shut up.",
">\n\nTalking about the formatting of top secret docs is literally giving away classified information. How is this guy not in prison yet?",
">\n\nThat guy was president.., that’s why.\nRemember when a game show host ran for president?\nDo you remember thinking it was a complete joke? \nAnd then that pathetic liar and ruiner of lives actually won?\nThat’s why… \n…cuz half of this country “hated school”…and is also ironically still stuck in high school",
">\n\n\nhalf of this country “hated school”…and is also ironically still stuck in high school\n\nThis hits hard. While there's no simple explanation for what's happening, I feel this hits the nail on the head. So much I think many \"conservatives\" and \"centrists\" would agree.",
">\n\n\nGiuliani said he was at Mar-a-Lago, working on \"vetting\" some \"very rich\" people — specifically, going through their tax returns for Trump. \n\nUm what?",
">\n\nVery legal. Very cool.",
">\n\nI mean, it's so casual for them to be doing this that they are talking about it openly. So I guess this is how our government is run?",
">\n\nWell It's how Trump's government was run.",
">\n\nReferring to a government under a certain president’s term as their government is common practice. Things and the procedures by which they happen change drastically with the new leader nearly every time.\nThough, to your point, it has been the same shitstorm for a while now.\nPointless comment over and out. o7",
">\n\nWhat is the play here by Giuliani… what is he up to",
">\n\nTrump didn't pay him for his work promoting the big lie and trying to get the election overturned, so....",
">\n\nThey definitely have mutual dirt on each other going back decades.\nThe idiot almost said as much in public, saying that he had \"insurance.\"\nIt kind of explains the desperation. Not the idiocy, though.",
">\n\nBut I don’t see endless headlines to get Julie in any legal trouble. I wonder if this is an attempt to save his own ass through some deal.",
">\n\nI'm just very confused. Giuliani had no right to look at classified documents, let alone take them home. Now he said he never took any home, but did he even read them? Just cause he's the President's lawyer, that doesn't automatically give some clearance right?",
">\n\nI’ve never seen that and wish I hadn’t to be honest. So gross.",
">\n\nDid they hand out top secret documents in maralargo like some sort of goodie bag? \nLike here is a diet coke, cheesburger Maga hat and some top secret satellite photos of Iranian nuke sites.",
">\n\n\"What's your net worth? Ooooh, nice! Have a complimentary nuclear secret!\"\n\"Dude, I just wanna know how to get to the pool.\"",
">\n\n\"He told me, 'Oh, take them home with you,'\" Giuliani said of Trump. \"I'm not going to take Wilbur Ross' tax returns home with me. I could misplace them!\"\n\"I — you know, I never, ever, ever, ever, ever, knowingly, and I never got caught — but I don't remember ever taking a doc,\" Giuliani added. He said he would place documents in a small safe at his desk in Mar-a-Lago to be worked on the next day.\nGiuliani also said top secret files are \"very, very strange the way they're put together\" and \"often are very small, but they contain a lot of information.\"",
">\n\nGiuliani sounds guilty as hell to me.",
">\n\n\nI never, ever ever ever ever\n\nWords of an innocent man I tell ya",
">\n\n\"and I never got caught\" lol",
">\n\nHe said the thing he wasn’t supposed to say out loud.",
">\n\nI believe at least two things are in play here.\n1st, and most importantly, Trump took those documents to sell nuclear secrets to the Saudis. I absolutely believe this happened.\nThe other is that Trump is a grandiose narcissistic braggart. He took those documents just so that he could brag to people that he has possession of TS documents.",
">\n\nIs there any reporting on the 1st assumption?",
">\n\nNothing that would stand up in court. Just circumstantial stuff as far as I know right now. There were apparently nuclear documents, but I don't know what type of information was in them, and we know about the Saudi involvement with Kushner and the golf tournament thing with Trump.",
">\n\nAh okay, just curious."
] |
>
He basically admitting that not only did people who shouldn't have seen them look at top secret documents but in all likelihood many of them brought them home.
If I was the FBI I'd bring this to the judge as probable cause to search half a dozen trump associate properties for top secret documents.
|
[
"Did Rudy have security clearance to even view those documents?",
">\n\nNone of Trumps top advisors (including all his kids) could pass security clearance standards.",
">\n\nYet they held them :P. At least Kushner did.",
">\n\nThey all did, Kushner was the one who immediately rose suspection.",
">\n\nTrump had to personally step in to grant Kush his clearance because he kept getting caught lying on his application forms.",
">\n\nHow did he give him clearance, just thinking about it?",
">\n\nHe just had to say . \"You now have top secret clearance . \"",
">\n\nI didn't know that Jabba the Hutt had jedi mind powers...",
">\n\nCome on, even the most corrupt crimelord in a Galaxy Far, Far Away paid his subcontractors and ran an efficient criminal enterprise.\nTrump managed to bankrupt a casino, and I still have yet to truly understand how he failed a place that is designed to seperate people from their money. Aside from being so shitty no one would be seen there which sounds about on par for his 'brand'.",
">\n\n\nTrump managed to bankrupt a casino,\n\nthats not quite accurate\ni think it was 3 casinos at least.",
">\n\n\nGiuliani also said top secret files are \"very, very strange the way they're put together\" and \"often are very small, but they contain a lot of information.\"\n\nFor the love of god please please shut up.",
">\n\nTalking about the formatting of top secret docs is literally giving away classified information. How is this guy not in prison yet?",
">\n\nThat guy was president.., that’s why.\nRemember when a game show host ran for president?\nDo you remember thinking it was a complete joke? \nAnd then that pathetic liar and ruiner of lives actually won?\nThat’s why… \n…cuz half of this country “hated school”…and is also ironically still stuck in high school",
">\n\n\nhalf of this country “hated school”…and is also ironically still stuck in high school\n\nThis hits hard. While there's no simple explanation for what's happening, I feel this hits the nail on the head. So much I think many \"conservatives\" and \"centrists\" would agree.",
">\n\n\nGiuliani said he was at Mar-a-Lago, working on \"vetting\" some \"very rich\" people — specifically, going through their tax returns for Trump. \n\nUm what?",
">\n\nVery legal. Very cool.",
">\n\nI mean, it's so casual for them to be doing this that they are talking about it openly. So I guess this is how our government is run?",
">\n\nWell It's how Trump's government was run.",
">\n\nReferring to a government under a certain president’s term as their government is common practice. Things and the procedures by which they happen change drastically with the new leader nearly every time.\nThough, to your point, it has been the same shitstorm for a while now.\nPointless comment over and out. o7",
">\n\nWhat is the play here by Giuliani… what is he up to",
">\n\nTrump didn't pay him for his work promoting the big lie and trying to get the election overturned, so....",
">\n\nThey definitely have mutual dirt on each other going back decades.\nThe idiot almost said as much in public, saying that he had \"insurance.\"\nIt kind of explains the desperation. Not the idiocy, though.",
">\n\nBut I don’t see endless headlines to get Julie in any legal trouble. I wonder if this is an attempt to save his own ass through some deal.",
">\n\nI'm just very confused. Giuliani had no right to look at classified documents, let alone take them home. Now he said he never took any home, but did he even read them? Just cause he's the President's lawyer, that doesn't automatically give some clearance right?",
">\n\nI’ve never seen that and wish I hadn’t to be honest. So gross.",
">\n\nDid they hand out top secret documents in maralargo like some sort of goodie bag? \nLike here is a diet coke, cheesburger Maga hat and some top secret satellite photos of Iranian nuke sites.",
">\n\n\"What's your net worth? Ooooh, nice! Have a complimentary nuclear secret!\"\n\"Dude, I just wanna know how to get to the pool.\"",
">\n\n\"He told me, 'Oh, take them home with you,'\" Giuliani said of Trump. \"I'm not going to take Wilbur Ross' tax returns home with me. I could misplace them!\"\n\"I — you know, I never, ever, ever, ever, ever, knowingly, and I never got caught — but I don't remember ever taking a doc,\" Giuliani added. He said he would place documents in a small safe at his desk in Mar-a-Lago to be worked on the next day.\nGiuliani also said top secret files are \"very, very strange the way they're put together\" and \"often are very small, but they contain a lot of information.\"",
">\n\nGiuliani sounds guilty as hell to me.",
">\n\n\nI never, ever ever ever ever\n\nWords of an innocent man I tell ya",
">\n\n\"and I never got caught\" lol",
">\n\nHe said the thing he wasn’t supposed to say out loud.",
">\n\nI believe at least two things are in play here.\n1st, and most importantly, Trump took those documents to sell nuclear secrets to the Saudis. I absolutely believe this happened.\nThe other is that Trump is a grandiose narcissistic braggart. He took those documents just so that he could brag to people that he has possession of TS documents.",
">\n\nIs there any reporting on the 1st assumption?",
">\n\nNothing that would stand up in court. Just circumstantial stuff as far as I know right now. There were apparently nuclear documents, but I don't know what type of information was in them, and we know about the Saudi involvement with Kushner and the golf tournament thing with Trump.",
">\n\nAh okay, just curious.",
">\n\nand Giuliani is the type that can't seem to keep his mouth shut lol"
] |
>
He took documents home
|
[
"Did Rudy have security clearance to even view those documents?",
">\n\nNone of Trumps top advisors (including all his kids) could pass security clearance standards.",
">\n\nYet they held them :P. At least Kushner did.",
">\n\nThey all did, Kushner was the one who immediately rose suspection.",
">\n\nTrump had to personally step in to grant Kush his clearance because he kept getting caught lying on his application forms.",
">\n\nHow did he give him clearance, just thinking about it?",
">\n\nHe just had to say . \"You now have top secret clearance . \"",
">\n\nI didn't know that Jabba the Hutt had jedi mind powers...",
">\n\nCome on, even the most corrupt crimelord in a Galaxy Far, Far Away paid his subcontractors and ran an efficient criminal enterprise.\nTrump managed to bankrupt a casino, and I still have yet to truly understand how he failed a place that is designed to seperate people from their money. Aside from being so shitty no one would be seen there which sounds about on par for his 'brand'.",
">\n\n\nTrump managed to bankrupt a casino,\n\nthats not quite accurate\ni think it was 3 casinos at least.",
">\n\n\nGiuliani also said top secret files are \"very, very strange the way they're put together\" and \"often are very small, but they contain a lot of information.\"\n\nFor the love of god please please shut up.",
">\n\nTalking about the formatting of top secret docs is literally giving away classified information. How is this guy not in prison yet?",
">\n\nThat guy was president.., that’s why.\nRemember when a game show host ran for president?\nDo you remember thinking it was a complete joke? \nAnd then that pathetic liar and ruiner of lives actually won?\nThat’s why… \n…cuz half of this country “hated school”…and is also ironically still stuck in high school",
">\n\n\nhalf of this country “hated school”…and is also ironically still stuck in high school\n\nThis hits hard. While there's no simple explanation for what's happening, I feel this hits the nail on the head. So much I think many \"conservatives\" and \"centrists\" would agree.",
">\n\n\nGiuliani said he was at Mar-a-Lago, working on \"vetting\" some \"very rich\" people — specifically, going through their tax returns for Trump. \n\nUm what?",
">\n\nVery legal. Very cool.",
">\n\nI mean, it's so casual for them to be doing this that they are talking about it openly. So I guess this is how our government is run?",
">\n\nWell It's how Trump's government was run.",
">\n\nReferring to a government under a certain president’s term as their government is common practice. Things and the procedures by which they happen change drastically with the new leader nearly every time.\nThough, to your point, it has been the same shitstorm for a while now.\nPointless comment over and out. o7",
">\n\nWhat is the play here by Giuliani… what is he up to",
">\n\nTrump didn't pay him for his work promoting the big lie and trying to get the election overturned, so....",
">\n\nThey definitely have mutual dirt on each other going back decades.\nThe idiot almost said as much in public, saying that he had \"insurance.\"\nIt kind of explains the desperation. Not the idiocy, though.",
">\n\nBut I don’t see endless headlines to get Julie in any legal trouble. I wonder if this is an attempt to save his own ass through some deal.",
">\n\nI'm just very confused. Giuliani had no right to look at classified documents, let alone take them home. Now he said he never took any home, but did he even read them? Just cause he's the President's lawyer, that doesn't automatically give some clearance right?",
">\n\nI’ve never seen that and wish I hadn’t to be honest. So gross.",
">\n\nDid they hand out top secret documents in maralargo like some sort of goodie bag? \nLike here is a diet coke, cheesburger Maga hat and some top secret satellite photos of Iranian nuke sites.",
">\n\n\"What's your net worth? Ooooh, nice! Have a complimentary nuclear secret!\"\n\"Dude, I just wanna know how to get to the pool.\"",
">\n\n\"He told me, 'Oh, take them home with you,'\" Giuliani said of Trump. \"I'm not going to take Wilbur Ross' tax returns home with me. I could misplace them!\"\n\"I — you know, I never, ever, ever, ever, ever, knowingly, and I never got caught — but I don't remember ever taking a doc,\" Giuliani added. He said he would place documents in a small safe at his desk in Mar-a-Lago to be worked on the next day.\nGiuliani also said top secret files are \"very, very strange the way they're put together\" and \"often are very small, but they contain a lot of information.\"",
">\n\nGiuliani sounds guilty as hell to me.",
">\n\n\nI never, ever ever ever ever\n\nWords of an innocent man I tell ya",
">\n\n\"and I never got caught\" lol",
">\n\nHe said the thing he wasn’t supposed to say out loud.",
">\n\nI believe at least two things are in play here.\n1st, and most importantly, Trump took those documents to sell nuclear secrets to the Saudis. I absolutely believe this happened.\nThe other is that Trump is a grandiose narcissistic braggart. He took those documents just so that he could brag to people that he has possession of TS documents.",
">\n\nIs there any reporting on the 1st assumption?",
">\n\nNothing that would stand up in court. Just circumstantial stuff as far as I know right now. There were apparently nuclear documents, but I don't know what type of information was in them, and we know about the Saudi involvement with Kushner and the golf tournament thing with Trump.",
">\n\nAh okay, just curious.",
">\n\nand Giuliani is the type that can't seem to keep his mouth shut lol",
">\n\nHe basically admitting that not only did people who shouldn't have seen them look at top secret documents but in all likelihood many of them brought them home.\nIf I was the FBI I'd bring this to the judge as probable cause to search half a dozen trump associate properties for top secret documents."
] |
>
At least he never got caught.
|
[
"Did Rudy have security clearance to even view those documents?",
">\n\nNone of Trumps top advisors (including all his kids) could pass security clearance standards.",
">\n\nYet they held them :P. At least Kushner did.",
">\n\nThey all did, Kushner was the one who immediately rose suspection.",
">\n\nTrump had to personally step in to grant Kush his clearance because he kept getting caught lying on his application forms.",
">\n\nHow did he give him clearance, just thinking about it?",
">\n\nHe just had to say . \"You now have top secret clearance . \"",
">\n\nI didn't know that Jabba the Hutt had jedi mind powers...",
">\n\nCome on, even the most corrupt crimelord in a Galaxy Far, Far Away paid his subcontractors and ran an efficient criminal enterprise.\nTrump managed to bankrupt a casino, and I still have yet to truly understand how he failed a place that is designed to seperate people from their money. Aside from being so shitty no one would be seen there which sounds about on par for his 'brand'.",
">\n\n\nTrump managed to bankrupt a casino,\n\nthats not quite accurate\ni think it was 3 casinos at least.",
">\n\n\nGiuliani also said top secret files are \"very, very strange the way they're put together\" and \"often are very small, but they contain a lot of information.\"\n\nFor the love of god please please shut up.",
">\n\nTalking about the formatting of top secret docs is literally giving away classified information. How is this guy not in prison yet?",
">\n\nThat guy was president.., that’s why.\nRemember when a game show host ran for president?\nDo you remember thinking it was a complete joke? \nAnd then that pathetic liar and ruiner of lives actually won?\nThat’s why… \n…cuz half of this country “hated school”…and is also ironically still stuck in high school",
">\n\n\nhalf of this country “hated school”…and is also ironically still stuck in high school\n\nThis hits hard. While there's no simple explanation for what's happening, I feel this hits the nail on the head. So much I think many \"conservatives\" and \"centrists\" would agree.",
">\n\n\nGiuliani said he was at Mar-a-Lago, working on \"vetting\" some \"very rich\" people — specifically, going through their tax returns for Trump. \n\nUm what?",
">\n\nVery legal. Very cool.",
">\n\nI mean, it's so casual for them to be doing this that they are talking about it openly. So I guess this is how our government is run?",
">\n\nWell It's how Trump's government was run.",
">\n\nReferring to a government under a certain president’s term as their government is common practice. Things and the procedures by which they happen change drastically with the new leader nearly every time.\nThough, to your point, it has been the same shitstorm for a while now.\nPointless comment over and out. o7",
">\n\nWhat is the play here by Giuliani… what is he up to",
">\n\nTrump didn't pay him for his work promoting the big lie and trying to get the election overturned, so....",
">\n\nThey definitely have mutual dirt on each other going back decades.\nThe idiot almost said as much in public, saying that he had \"insurance.\"\nIt kind of explains the desperation. Not the idiocy, though.",
">\n\nBut I don’t see endless headlines to get Julie in any legal trouble. I wonder if this is an attempt to save his own ass through some deal.",
">\n\nI'm just very confused. Giuliani had no right to look at classified documents, let alone take them home. Now he said he never took any home, but did he even read them? Just cause he's the President's lawyer, that doesn't automatically give some clearance right?",
">\n\nI’ve never seen that and wish I hadn’t to be honest. So gross.",
">\n\nDid they hand out top secret documents in maralargo like some sort of goodie bag? \nLike here is a diet coke, cheesburger Maga hat and some top secret satellite photos of Iranian nuke sites.",
">\n\n\"What's your net worth? Ooooh, nice! Have a complimentary nuclear secret!\"\n\"Dude, I just wanna know how to get to the pool.\"",
">\n\n\"He told me, 'Oh, take them home with you,'\" Giuliani said of Trump. \"I'm not going to take Wilbur Ross' tax returns home with me. I could misplace them!\"\n\"I — you know, I never, ever, ever, ever, ever, knowingly, and I never got caught — but I don't remember ever taking a doc,\" Giuliani added. He said he would place documents in a small safe at his desk in Mar-a-Lago to be worked on the next day.\nGiuliani also said top secret files are \"very, very strange the way they're put together\" and \"often are very small, but they contain a lot of information.\"",
">\n\nGiuliani sounds guilty as hell to me.",
">\n\n\nI never, ever ever ever ever\n\nWords of an innocent man I tell ya",
">\n\n\"and I never got caught\" lol",
">\n\nHe said the thing he wasn’t supposed to say out loud.",
">\n\nI believe at least two things are in play here.\n1st, and most importantly, Trump took those documents to sell nuclear secrets to the Saudis. I absolutely believe this happened.\nThe other is that Trump is a grandiose narcissistic braggart. He took those documents just so that he could brag to people that he has possession of TS documents.",
">\n\nIs there any reporting on the 1st assumption?",
">\n\nNothing that would stand up in court. Just circumstantial stuff as far as I know right now. There were apparently nuclear documents, but I don't know what type of information was in them, and we know about the Saudi involvement with Kushner and the golf tournament thing with Trump.",
">\n\nAh okay, just curious.",
">\n\nand Giuliani is the type that can't seem to keep his mouth shut lol",
">\n\nHe basically admitting that not only did people who shouldn't have seen them look at top secret documents but in all likelihood many of them brought them home.\nIf I was the FBI I'd bring this to the judge as probable cause to search half a dozen trump associate properties for top secret documents.",
">\n\nHe took documents home"
] |
>
I hear no one still knows about it!
|
[
"Did Rudy have security clearance to even view those documents?",
">\n\nNone of Trumps top advisors (including all his kids) could pass security clearance standards.",
">\n\nYet they held them :P. At least Kushner did.",
">\n\nThey all did, Kushner was the one who immediately rose suspection.",
">\n\nTrump had to personally step in to grant Kush his clearance because he kept getting caught lying on his application forms.",
">\n\nHow did he give him clearance, just thinking about it?",
">\n\nHe just had to say . \"You now have top secret clearance . \"",
">\n\nI didn't know that Jabba the Hutt had jedi mind powers...",
">\n\nCome on, even the most corrupt crimelord in a Galaxy Far, Far Away paid his subcontractors and ran an efficient criminal enterprise.\nTrump managed to bankrupt a casino, and I still have yet to truly understand how he failed a place that is designed to seperate people from their money. Aside from being so shitty no one would be seen there which sounds about on par for his 'brand'.",
">\n\n\nTrump managed to bankrupt a casino,\n\nthats not quite accurate\ni think it was 3 casinos at least.",
">\n\n\nGiuliani also said top secret files are \"very, very strange the way they're put together\" and \"often are very small, but they contain a lot of information.\"\n\nFor the love of god please please shut up.",
">\n\nTalking about the formatting of top secret docs is literally giving away classified information. How is this guy not in prison yet?",
">\n\nThat guy was president.., that’s why.\nRemember when a game show host ran for president?\nDo you remember thinking it was a complete joke? \nAnd then that pathetic liar and ruiner of lives actually won?\nThat’s why… \n…cuz half of this country “hated school”…and is also ironically still stuck in high school",
">\n\n\nhalf of this country “hated school”…and is also ironically still stuck in high school\n\nThis hits hard. While there's no simple explanation for what's happening, I feel this hits the nail on the head. So much I think many \"conservatives\" and \"centrists\" would agree.",
">\n\n\nGiuliani said he was at Mar-a-Lago, working on \"vetting\" some \"very rich\" people — specifically, going through their tax returns for Trump. \n\nUm what?",
">\n\nVery legal. Very cool.",
">\n\nI mean, it's so casual for them to be doing this that they are talking about it openly. So I guess this is how our government is run?",
">\n\nWell It's how Trump's government was run.",
">\n\nReferring to a government under a certain president’s term as their government is common practice. Things and the procedures by which they happen change drastically with the new leader nearly every time.\nThough, to your point, it has been the same shitstorm for a while now.\nPointless comment over and out. o7",
">\n\nWhat is the play here by Giuliani… what is he up to",
">\n\nTrump didn't pay him for his work promoting the big lie and trying to get the election overturned, so....",
">\n\nThey definitely have mutual dirt on each other going back decades.\nThe idiot almost said as much in public, saying that he had \"insurance.\"\nIt kind of explains the desperation. Not the idiocy, though.",
">\n\nBut I don’t see endless headlines to get Julie in any legal trouble. I wonder if this is an attempt to save his own ass through some deal.",
">\n\nI'm just very confused. Giuliani had no right to look at classified documents, let alone take them home. Now he said he never took any home, but did he even read them? Just cause he's the President's lawyer, that doesn't automatically give some clearance right?",
">\n\nI’ve never seen that and wish I hadn’t to be honest. So gross.",
">\n\nDid they hand out top secret documents in maralargo like some sort of goodie bag? \nLike here is a diet coke, cheesburger Maga hat and some top secret satellite photos of Iranian nuke sites.",
">\n\n\"What's your net worth? Ooooh, nice! Have a complimentary nuclear secret!\"\n\"Dude, I just wanna know how to get to the pool.\"",
">\n\n\"He told me, 'Oh, take them home with you,'\" Giuliani said of Trump. \"I'm not going to take Wilbur Ross' tax returns home with me. I could misplace them!\"\n\"I — you know, I never, ever, ever, ever, ever, knowingly, and I never got caught — but I don't remember ever taking a doc,\" Giuliani added. He said he would place documents in a small safe at his desk in Mar-a-Lago to be worked on the next day.\nGiuliani also said top secret files are \"very, very strange the way they're put together\" and \"often are very small, but they contain a lot of information.\"",
">\n\nGiuliani sounds guilty as hell to me.",
">\n\n\nI never, ever ever ever ever\n\nWords of an innocent man I tell ya",
">\n\n\"and I never got caught\" lol",
">\n\nHe said the thing he wasn’t supposed to say out loud.",
">\n\nI believe at least two things are in play here.\n1st, and most importantly, Trump took those documents to sell nuclear secrets to the Saudis. I absolutely believe this happened.\nThe other is that Trump is a grandiose narcissistic braggart. He took those documents just so that he could brag to people that he has possession of TS documents.",
">\n\nIs there any reporting on the 1st assumption?",
">\n\nNothing that would stand up in court. Just circumstantial stuff as far as I know right now. There were apparently nuclear documents, but I don't know what type of information was in them, and we know about the Saudi involvement with Kushner and the golf tournament thing with Trump.",
">\n\nAh okay, just curious.",
">\n\nand Giuliani is the type that can't seem to keep his mouth shut lol",
">\n\nHe basically admitting that not only did people who shouldn't have seen them look at top secret documents but in all likelihood many of them brought them home.\nIf I was the FBI I'd bring this to the judge as probable cause to search half a dozen trump associate properties for top secret documents.",
">\n\nHe took documents home",
">\n\nAt least he never got caught."
] |
>
Everyone knows people are saying that
|
[
"Did Rudy have security clearance to even view those documents?",
">\n\nNone of Trumps top advisors (including all his kids) could pass security clearance standards.",
">\n\nYet they held them :P. At least Kushner did.",
">\n\nThey all did, Kushner was the one who immediately rose suspection.",
">\n\nTrump had to personally step in to grant Kush his clearance because he kept getting caught lying on his application forms.",
">\n\nHow did he give him clearance, just thinking about it?",
">\n\nHe just had to say . \"You now have top secret clearance . \"",
">\n\nI didn't know that Jabba the Hutt had jedi mind powers...",
">\n\nCome on, even the most corrupt crimelord in a Galaxy Far, Far Away paid his subcontractors and ran an efficient criminal enterprise.\nTrump managed to bankrupt a casino, and I still have yet to truly understand how he failed a place that is designed to seperate people from their money. Aside from being so shitty no one would be seen there which sounds about on par for his 'brand'.",
">\n\n\nTrump managed to bankrupt a casino,\n\nthats not quite accurate\ni think it was 3 casinos at least.",
">\n\n\nGiuliani also said top secret files are \"very, very strange the way they're put together\" and \"often are very small, but they contain a lot of information.\"\n\nFor the love of god please please shut up.",
">\n\nTalking about the formatting of top secret docs is literally giving away classified information. How is this guy not in prison yet?",
">\n\nThat guy was president.., that’s why.\nRemember when a game show host ran for president?\nDo you remember thinking it was a complete joke? \nAnd then that pathetic liar and ruiner of lives actually won?\nThat’s why… \n…cuz half of this country “hated school”…and is also ironically still stuck in high school",
">\n\n\nhalf of this country “hated school”…and is also ironically still stuck in high school\n\nThis hits hard. While there's no simple explanation for what's happening, I feel this hits the nail on the head. So much I think many \"conservatives\" and \"centrists\" would agree.",
">\n\n\nGiuliani said he was at Mar-a-Lago, working on \"vetting\" some \"very rich\" people — specifically, going through their tax returns for Trump. \n\nUm what?",
">\n\nVery legal. Very cool.",
">\n\nI mean, it's so casual for them to be doing this that they are talking about it openly. So I guess this is how our government is run?",
">\n\nWell It's how Trump's government was run.",
">\n\nReferring to a government under a certain president’s term as their government is common practice. Things and the procedures by which they happen change drastically with the new leader nearly every time.\nThough, to your point, it has been the same shitstorm for a while now.\nPointless comment over and out. o7",
">\n\nWhat is the play here by Giuliani… what is he up to",
">\n\nTrump didn't pay him for his work promoting the big lie and trying to get the election overturned, so....",
">\n\nThey definitely have mutual dirt on each other going back decades.\nThe idiot almost said as much in public, saying that he had \"insurance.\"\nIt kind of explains the desperation. Not the idiocy, though.",
">\n\nBut I don’t see endless headlines to get Julie in any legal trouble. I wonder if this is an attempt to save his own ass through some deal.",
">\n\nI'm just very confused. Giuliani had no right to look at classified documents, let alone take them home. Now he said he never took any home, but did he even read them? Just cause he's the President's lawyer, that doesn't automatically give some clearance right?",
">\n\nI’ve never seen that and wish I hadn’t to be honest. So gross.",
">\n\nDid they hand out top secret documents in maralargo like some sort of goodie bag? \nLike here is a diet coke, cheesburger Maga hat and some top secret satellite photos of Iranian nuke sites.",
">\n\n\"What's your net worth? Ooooh, nice! Have a complimentary nuclear secret!\"\n\"Dude, I just wanna know how to get to the pool.\"",
">\n\n\"He told me, 'Oh, take them home with you,'\" Giuliani said of Trump. \"I'm not going to take Wilbur Ross' tax returns home with me. I could misplace them!\"\n\"I — you know, I never, ever, ever, ever, ever, knowingly, and I never got caught — but I don't remember ever taking a doc,\" Giuliani added. He said he would place documents in a small safe at his desk in Mar-a-Lago to be worked on the next day.\nGiuliani also said top secret files are \"very, very strange the way they're put together\" and \"often are very small, but they contain a lot of information.\"",
">\n\nGiuliani sounds guilty as hell to me.",
">\n\n\nI never, ever ever ever ever\n\nWords of an innocent man I tell ya",
">\n\n\"and I never got caught\" lol",
">\n\nHe said the thing he wasn’t supposed to say out loud.",
">\n\nI believe at least two things are in play here.\n1st, and most importantly, Trump took those documents to sell nuclear secrets to the Saudis. I absolutely believe this happened.\nThe other is that Trump is a grandiose narcissistic braggart. He took those documents just so that he could brag to people that he has possession of TS documents.",
">\n\nIs there any reporting on the 1st assumption?",
">\n\nNothing that would stand up in court. Just circumstantial stuff as far as I know right now. There were apparently nuclear documents, but I don't know what type of information was in them, and we know about the Saudi involvement with Kushner and the golf tournament thing with Trump.",
">\n\nAh okay, just curious.",
">\n\nand Giuliani is the type that can't seem to keep his mouth shut lol",
">\n\nHe basically admitting that not only did people who shouldn't have seen them look at top secret documents but in all likelihood many of them brought them home.\nIf I was the FBI I'd bring this to the judge as probable cause to search half a dozen trump associate properties for top secret documents.",
">\n\nHe took documents home",
">\n\nAt least he never got caught.",
">\n\nI hear no one still knows about it!"
] |
>
Rudy is trying to get paid for a 6 figure or maybe even 7 figure legal bill. So if he floats this idea at a time when the special prosecutor is tightening his noose he may get Trump to pay him. Birds of a feather. They truly deserve each other. Yuck!
|
[
"Did Rudy have security clearance to even view those documents?",
">\n\nNone of Trumps top advisors (including all his kids) could pass security clearance standards.",
">\n\nYet they held them :P. At least Kushner did.",
">\n\nThey all did, Kushner was the one who immediately rose suspection.",
">\n\nTrump had to personally step in to grant Kush his clearance because he kept getting caught lying on his application forms.",
">\n\nHow did he give him clearance, just thinking about it?",
">\n\nHe just had to say . \"You now have top secret clearance . \"",
">\n\nI didn't know that Jabba the Hutt had jedi mind powers...",
">\n\nCome on, even the most corrupt crimelord in a Galaxy Far, Far Away paid his subcontractors and ran an efficient criminal enterprise.\nTrump managed to bankrupt a casino, and I still have yet to truly understand how he failed a place that is designed to seperate people from their money. Aside from being so shitty no one would be seen there which sounds about on par for his 'brand'.",
">\n\n\nTrump managed to bankrupt a casino,\n\nthats not quite accurate\ni think it was 3 casinos at least.",
">\n\n\nGiuliani also said top secret files are \"very, very strange the way they're put together\" and \"often are very small, but they contain a lot of information.\"\n\nFor the love of god please please shut up.",
">\n\nTalking about the formatting of top secret docs is literally giving away classified information. How is this guy not in prison yet?",
">\n\nThat guy was president.., that’s why.\nRemember when a game show host ran for president?\nDo you remember thinking it was a complete joke? \nAnd then that pathetic liar and ruiner of lives actually won?\nThat’s why… \n…cuz half of this country “hated school”…and is also ironically still stuck in high school",
">\n\n\nhalf of this country “hated school”…and is also ironically still stuck in high school\n\nThis hits hard. While there's no simple explanation for what's happening, I feel this hits the nail on the head. So much I think many \"conservatives\" and \"centrists\" would agree.",
">\n\n\nGiuliani said he was at Mar-a-Lago, working on \"vetting\" some \"very rich\" people — specifically, going through their tax returns for Trump. \n\nUm what?",
">\n\nVery legal. Very cool.",
">\n\nI mean, it's so casual for them to be doing this that they are talking about it openly. So I guess this is how our government is run?",
">\n\nWell It's how Trump's government was run.",
">\n\nReferring to a government under a certain president’s term as their government is common practice. Things and the procedures by which they happen change drastically with the new leader nearly every time.\nThough, to your point, it has been the same shitstorm for a while now.\nPointless comment over and out. o7",
">\n\nWhat is the play here by Giuliani… what is he up to",
">\n\nTrump didn't pay him for his work promoting the big lie and trying to get the election overturned, so....",
">\n\nThey definitely have mutual dirt on each other going back decades.\nThe idiot almost said as much in public, saying that he had \"insurance.\"\nIt kind of explains the desperation. Not the idiocy, though.",
">\n\nBut I don’t see endless headlines to get Julie in any legal trouble. I wonder if this is an attempt to save his own ass through some deal.",
">\n\nI'm just very confused. Giuliani had no right to look at classified documents, let alone take them home. Now he said he never took any home, but did he even read them? Just cause he's the President's lawyer, that doesn't automatically give some clearance right?",
">\n\nI’ve never seen that and wish I hadn’t to be honest. So gross.",
">\n\nDid they hand out top secret documents in maralargo like some sort of goodie bag? \nLike here is a diet coke, cheesburger Maga hat and some top secret satellite photos of Iranian nuke sites.",
">\n\n\"What's your net worth? Ooooh, nice! Have a complimentary nuclear secret!\"\n\"Dude, I just wanna know how to get to the pool.\"",
">\n\n\"He told me, 'Oh, take them home with you,'\" Giuliani said of Trump. \"I'm not going to take Wilbur Ross' tax returns home with me. I could misplace them!\"\n\"I — you know, I never, ever, ever, ever, ever, knowingly, and I never got caught — but I don't remember ever taking a doc,\" Giuliani added. He said he would place documents in a small safe at his desk in Mar-a-Lago to be worked on the next day.\nGiuliani also said top secret files are \"very, very strange the way they're put together\" and \"often are very small, but they contain a lot of information.\"",
">\n\nGiuliani sounds guilty as hell to me.",
">\n\n\nI never, ever ever ever ever\n\nWords of an innocent man I tell ya",
">\n\n\"and I never got caught\" lol",
">\n\nHe said the thing he wasn’t supposed to say out loud.",
">\n\nI believe at least two things are in play here.\n1st, and most importantly, Trump took those documents to sell nuclear secrets to the Saudis. I absolutely believe this happened.\nThe other is that Trump is a grandiose narcissistic braggart. He took those documents just so that he could brag to people that he has possession of TS documents.",
">\n\nIs there any reporting on the 1st assumption?",
">\n\nNothing that would stand up in court. Just circumstantial stuff as far as I know right now. There were apparently nuclear documents, but I don't know what type of information was in them, and we know about the Saudi involvement with Kushner and the golf tournament thing with Trump.",
">\n\nAh okay, just curious.",
">\n\nand Giuliani is the type that can't seem to keep his mouth shut lol",
">\n\nHe basically admitting that not only did people who shouldn't have seen them look at top secret documents but in all likelihood many of them brought them home.\nIf I was the FBI I'd bring this to the judge as probable cause to search half a dozen trump associate properties for top secret documents.",
">\n\nHe took documents home",
">\n\nAt least he never got caught.",
">\n\nI hear no one still knows about it!",
">\n\nEveryone knows people are saying that"
] |
>
So who here thinks if Rudy is saying he didn't out of the cleat blue sky, someone should check it out?
Also... "Vetting rich people?" That is a really weird way of saying,"picking cabinet members." That seems a little telling.
|
[
"Did Rudy have security clearance to even view those documents?",
">\n\nNone of Trumps top advisors (including all his kids) could pass security clearance standards.",
">\n\nYet they held them :P. At least Kushner did.",
">\n\nThey all did, Kushner was the one who immediately rose suspection.",
">\n\nTrump had to personally step in to grant Kush his clearance because he kept getting caught lying on his application forms.",
">\n\nHow did he give him clearance, just thinking about it?",
">\n\nHe just had to say . \"You now have top secret clearance . \"",
">\n\nI didn't know that Jabba the Hutt had jedi mind powers...",
">\n\nCome on, even the most corrupt crimelord in a Galaxy Far, Far Away paid his subcontractors and ran an efficient criminal enterprise.\nTrump managed to bankrupt a casino, and I still have yet to truly understand how he failed a place that is designed to seperate people from their money. Aside from being so shitty no one would be seen there which sounds about on par for his 'brand'.",
">\n\n\nTrump managed to bankrupt a casino,\n\nthats not quite accurate\ni think it was 3 casinos at least.",
">\n\n\nGiuliani also said top secret files are \"very, very strange the way they're put together\" and \"often are very small, but they contain a lot of information.\"\n\nFor the love of god please please shut up.",
">\n\nTalking about the formatting of top secret docs is literally giving away classified information. How is this guy not in prison yet?",
">\n\nThat guy was president.., that’s why.\nRemember when a game show host ran for president?\nDo you remember thinking it was a complete joke? \nAnd then that pathetic liar and ruiner of lives actually won?\nThat’s why… \n…cuz half of this country “hated school”…and is also ironically still stuck in high school",
">\n\n\nhalf of this country “hated school”…and is also ironically still stuck in high school\n\nThis hits hard. While there's no simple explanation for what's happening, I feel this hits the nail on the head. So much I think many \"conservatives\" and \"centrists\" would agree.",
">\n\n\nGiuliani said he was at Mar-a-Lago, working on \"vetting\" some \"very rich\" people — specifically, going through their tax returns for Trump. \n\nUm what?",
">\n\nVery legal. Very cool.",
">\n\nI mean, it's so casual for them to be doing this that they are talking about it openly. So I guess this is how our government is run?",
">\n\nWell It's how Trump's government was run.",
">\n\nReferring to a government under a certain president’s term as their government is common practice. Things and the procedures by which they happen change drastically with the new leader nearly every time.\nThough, to your point, it has been the same shitstorm for a while now.\nPointless comment over and out. o7",
">\n\nWhat is the play here by Giuliani… what is he up to",
">\n\nTrump didn't pay him for his work promoting the big lie and trying to get the election overturned, so....",
">\n\nThey definitely have mutual dirt on each other going back decades.\nThe idiot almost said as much in public, saying that he had \"insurance.\"\nIt kind of explains the desperation. Not the idiocy, though.",
">\n\nBut I don’t see endless headlines to get Julie in any legal trouble. I wonder if this is an attempt to save his own ass through some deal.",
">\n\nI'm just very confused. Giuliani had no right to look at classified documents, let alone take them home. Now he said he never took any home, but did he even read them? Just cause he's the President's lawyer, that doesn't automatically give some clearance right?",
">\n\nI’ve never seen that and wish I hadn’t to be honest. So gross.",
">\n\nDid they hand out top secret documents in maralargo like some sort of goodie bag? \nLike here is a diet coke, cheesburger Maga hat and some top secret satellite photos of Iranian nuke sites.",
">\n\n\"What's your net worth? Ooooh, nice! Have a complimentary nuclear secret!\"\n\"Dude, I just wanna know how to get to the pool.\"",
">\n\n\"He told me, 'Oh, take them home with you,'\" Giuliani said of Trump. \"I'm not going to take Wilbur Ross' tax returns home with me. I could misplace them!\"\n\"I — you know, I never, ever, ever, ever, ever, knowingly, and I never got caught — but I don't remember ever taking a doc,\" Giuliani added. He said he would place documents in a small safe at his desk in Mar-a-Lago to be worked on the next day.\nGiuliani also said top secret files are \"very, very strange the way they're put together\" and \"often are very small, but they contain a lot of information.\"",
">\n\nGiuliani sounds guilty as hell to me.",
">\n\n\nI never, ever ever ever ever\n\nWords of an innocent man I tell ya",
">\n\n\"and I never got caught\" lol",
">\n\nHe said the thing he wasn’t supposed to say out loud.",
">\n\nI believe at least two things are in play here.\n1st, and most importantly, Trump took those documents to sell nuclear secrets to the Saudis. I absolutely believe this happened.\nThe other is that Trump is a grandiose narcissistic braggart. He took those documents just so that he could brag to people that he has possession of TS documents.",
">\n\nIs there any reporting on the 1st assumption?",
">\n\nNothing that would stand up in court. Just circumstantial stuff as far as I know right now. There were apparently nuclear documents, but I don't know what type of information was in them, and we know about the Saudi involvement with Kushner and the golf tournament thing with Trump.",
">\n\nAh okay, just curious.",
">\n\nand Giuliani is the type that can't seem to keep his mouth shut lol",
">\n\nHe basically admitting that not only did people who shouldn't have seen them look at top secret documents but in all likelihood many of them brought them home.\nIf I was the FBI I'd bring this to the judge as probable cause to search half a dozen trump associate properties for top secret documents.",
">\n\nHe took documents home",
">\n\nAt least he never got caught.",
">\n\nI hear no one still knows about it!",
">\n\nEveryone knows people are saying that",
">\n\nRudy is trying to get paid for a 6 figure or maybe even 7 figure legal bill. So if he floats this idea at a time when the special prosecutor is tightening his noose he may get Trump to pay him. Birds of a feather. They truly deserve each other. Yuck!"
] |
>
Translation: "Juicy Research to keep the person in line in case they think about turning"
|
[
"Did Rudy have security clearance to even view those documents?",
">\n\nNone of Trumps top advisors (including all his kids) could pass security clearance standards.",
">\n\nYet they held them :P. At least Kushner did.",
">\n\nThey all did, Kushner was the one who immediately rose suspection.",
">\n\nTrump had to personally step in to grant Kush his clearance because he kept getting caught lying on his application forms.",
">\n\nHow did he give him clearance, just thinking about it?",
">\n\nHe just had to say . \"You now have top secret clearance . \"",
">\n\nI didn't know that Jabba the Hutt had jedi mind powers...",
">\n\nCome on, even the most corrupt crimelord in a Galaxy Far, Far Away paid his subcontractors and ran an efficient criminal enterprise.\nTrump managed to bankrupt a casino, and I still have yet to truly understand how he failed a place that is designed to seperate people from their money. Aside from being so shitty no one would be seen there which sounds about on par for his 'brand'.",
">\n\n\nTrump managed to bankrupt a casino,\n\nthats not quite accurate\ni think it was 3 casinos at least.",
">\n\n\nGiuliani also said top secret files are \"very, very strange the way they're put together\" and \"often are very small, but they contain a lot of information.\"\n\nFor the love of god please please shut up.",
">\n\nTalking about the formatting of top secret docs is literally giving away classified information. How is this guy not in prison yet?",
">\n\nThat guy was president.., that’s why.\nRemember when a game show host ran for president?\nDo you remember thinking it was a complete joke? \nAnd then that pathetic liar and ruiner of lives actually won?\nThat’s why… \n…cuz half of this country “hated school”…and is also ironically still stuck in high school",
">\n\n\nhalf of this country “hated school”…and is also ironically still stuck in high school\n\nThis hits hard. While there's no simple explanation for what's happening, I feel this hits the nail on the head. So much I think many \"conservatives\" and \"centrists\" would agree.",
">\n\n\nGiuliani said he was at Mar-a-Lago, working on \"vetting\" some \"very rich\" people — specifically, going through their tax returns for Trump. \n\nUm what?",
">\n\nVery legal. Very cool.",
">\n\nI mean, it's so casual for them to be doing this that they are talking about it openly. So I guess this is how our government is run?",
">\n\nWell It's how Trump's government was run.",
">\n\nReferring to a government under a certain president’s term as their government is common practice. Things and the procedures by which they happen change drastically with the new leader nearly every time.\nThough, to your point, it has been the same shitstorm for a while now.\nPointless comment over and out. o7",
">\n\nWhat is the play here by Giuliani… what is he up to",
">\n\nTrump didn't pay him for his work promoting the big lie and trying to get the election overturned, so....",
">\n\nThey definitely have mutual dirt on each other going back decades.\nThe idiot almost said as much in public, saying that he had \"insurance.\"\nIt kind of explains the desperation. Not the idiocy, though.",
">\n\nBut I don’t see endless headlines to get Julie in any legal trouble. I wonder if this is an attempt to save his own ass through some deal.",
">\n\nI'm just very confused. Giuliani had no right to look at classified documents, let alone take them home. Now he said he never took any home, but did he even read them? Just cause he's the President's lawyer, that doesn't automatically give some clearance right?",
">\n\nI’ve never seen that and wish I hadn’t to be honest. So gross.",
">\n\nDid they hand out top secret documents in maralargo like some sort of goodie bag? \nLike here is a diet coke, cheesburger Maga hat and some top secret satellite photos of Iranian nuke sites.",
">\n\n\"What's your net worth? Ooooh, nice! Have a complimentary nuclear secret!\"\n\"Dude, I just wanna know how to get to the pool.\"",
">\n\n\"He told me, 'Oh, take them home with you,'\" Giuliani said of Trump. \"I'm not going to take Wilbur Ross' tax returns home with me. I could misplace them!\"\n\"I — you know, I never, ever, ever, ever, ever, knowingly, and I never got caught — but I don't remember ever taking a doc,\" Giuliani added. He said he would place documents in a small safe at his desk in Mar-a-Lago to be worked on the next day.\nGiuliani also said top secret files are \"very, very strange the way they're put together\" and \"often are very small, but they contain a lot of information.\"",
">\n\nGiuliani sounds guilty as hell to me.",
">\n\n\nI never, ever ever ever ever\n\nWords of an innocent man I tell ya",
">\n\n\"and I never got caught\" lol",
">\n\nHe said the thing he wasn’t supposed to say out loud.",
">\n\nI believe at least two things are in play here.\n1st, and most importantly, Trump took those documents to sell nuclear secrets to the Saudis. I absolutely believe this happened.\nThe other is that Trump is a grandiose narcissistic braggart. He took those documents just so that he could brag to people that he has possession of TS documents.",
">\n\nIs there any reporting on the 1st assumption?",
">\n\nNothing that would stand up in court. Just circumstantial stuff as far as I know right now. There were apparently nuclear documents, but I don't know what type of information was in them, and we know about the Saudi involvement with Kushner and the golf tournament thing with Trump.",
">\n\nAh okay, just curious.",
">\n\nand Giuliani is the type that can't seem to keep his mouth shut lol",
">\n\nHe basically admitting that not only did people who shouldn't have seen them look at top secret documents but in all likelihood many of them brought them home.\nIf I was the FBI I'd bring this to the judge as probable cause to search half a dozen trump associate properties for top secret documents.",
">\n\nHe took documents home",
">\n\nAt least he never got caught.",
">\n\nI hear no one still knows about it!",
">\n\nEveryone knows people are saying that",
">\n\nRudy is trying to get paid for a 6 figure or maybe even 7 figure legal bill. So if he floats this idea at a time when the special prosecutor is tightening his noose he may get Trump to pay him. Birds of a feather. They truly deserve each other. Yuck!",
">\n\nSo who here thinks if Rudy is saying he didn't out of the cleat blue sky, someone should check it out?\nAlso... \"Vetting rich people?\" That is a really weird way of saying,\"picking cabinet members.\" That seems a little telling."
] |
>
This guy might be super stupid to confessing openly about this treason!
|
[
"Did Rudy have security clearance to even view those documents?",
">\n\nNone of Trumps top advisors (including all his kids) could pass security clearance standards.",
">\n\nYet they held them :P. At least Kushner did.",
">\n\nThey all did, Kushner was the one who immediately rose suspection.",
">\n\nTrump had to personally step in to grant Kush his clearance because he kept getting caught lying on his application forms.",
">\n\nHow did he give him clearance, just thinking about it?",
">\n\nHe just had to say . \"You now have top secret clearance . \"",
">\n\nI didn't know that Jabba the Hutt had jedi mind powers...",
">\n\nCome on, even the most corrupt crimelord in a Galaxy Far, Far Away paid his subcontractors and ran an efficient criminal enterprise.\nTrump managed to bankrupt a casino, and I still have yet to truly understand how he failed a place that is designed to seperate people from their money. Aside from being so shitty no one would be seen there which sounds about on par for his 'brand'.",
">\n\n\nTrump managed to bankrupt a casino,\n\nthats not quite accurate\ni think it was 3 casinos at least.",
">\n\n\nGiuliani also said top secret files are \"very, very strange the way they're put together\" and \"often are very small, but they contain a lot of information.\"\n\nFor the love of god please please shut up.",
">\n\nTalking about the formatting of top secret docs is literally giving away classified information. How is this guy not in prison yet?",
">\n\nThat guy was president.., that’s why.\nRemember when a game show host ran for president?\nDo you remember thinking it was a complete joke? \nAnd then that pathetic liar and ruiner of lives actually won?\nThat’s why… \n…cuz half of this country “hated school”…and is also ironically still stuck in high school",
">\n\n\nhalf of this country “hated school”…and is also ironically still stuck in high school\n\nThis hits hard. While there's no simple explanation for what's happening, I feel this hits the nail on the head. So much I think many \"conservatives\" and \"centrists\" would agree.",
">\n\n\nGiuliani said he was at Mar-a-Lago, working on \"vetting\" some \"very rich\" people — specifically, going through their tax returns for Trump. \n\nUm what?",
">\n\nVery legal. Very cool.",
">\n\nI mean, it's so casual for them to be doing this that they are talking about it openly. So I guess this is how our government is run?",
">\n\nWell It's how Trump's government was run.",
">\n\nReferring to a government under a certain president’s term as their government is common practice. Things and the procedures by which they happen change drastically with the new leader nearly every time.\nThough, to your point, it has been the same shitstorm for a while now.\nPointless comment over and out. o7",
">\n\nWhat is the play here by Giuliani… what is he up to",
">\n\nTrump didn't pay him for his work promoting the big lie and trying to get the election overturned, so....",
">\n\nThey definitely have mutual dirt on each other going back decades.\nThe idiot almost said as much in public, saying that he had \"insurance.\"\nIt kind of explains the desperation. Not the idiocy, though.",
">\n\nBut I don’t see endless headlines to get Julie in any legal trouble. I wonder if this is an attempt to save his own ass through some deal.",
">\n\nI'm just very confused. Giuliani had no right to look at classified documents, let alone take them home. Now he said he never took any home, but did he even read them? Just cause he's the President's lawyer, that doesn't automatically give some clearance right?",
">\n\nI’ve never seen that and wish I hadn’t to be honest. So gross.",
">\n\nDid they hand out top secret documents in maralargo like some sort of goodie bag? \nLike here is a diet coke, cheesburger Maga hat and some top secret satellite photos of Iranian nuke sites.",
">\n\n\"What's your net worth? Ooooh, nice! Have a complimentary nuclear secret!\"\n\"Dude, I just wanna know how to get to the pool.\"",
">\n\n\"He told me, 'Oh, take them home with you,'\" Giuliani said of Trump. \"I'm not going to take Wilbur Ross' tax returns home with me. I could misplace them!\"\n\"I — you know, I never, ever, ever, ever, ever, knowingly, and I never got caught — but I don't remember ever taking a doc,\" Giuliani added. He said he would place documents in a small safe at his desk in Mar-a-Lago to be worked on the next day.\nGiuliani also said top secret files are \"very, very strange the way they're put together\" and \"often are very small, but they contain a lot of information.\"",
">\n\nGiuliani sounds guilty as hell to me.",
">\n\n\nI never, ever ever ever ever\n\nWords of an innocent man I tell ya",
">\n\n\"and I never got caught\" lol",
">\n\nHe said the thing he wasn’t supposed to say out loud.",
">\n\nI believe at least two things are in play here.\n1st, and most importantly, Trump took those documents to sell nuclear secrets to the Saudis. I absolutely believe this happened.\nThe other is that Trump is a grandiose narcissistic braggart. He took those documents just so that he could brag to people that he has possession of TS documents.",
">\n\nIs there any reporting on the 1st assumption?",
">\n\nNothing that would stand up in court. Just circumstantial stuff as far as I know right now. There were apparently nuclear documents, but I don't know what type of information was in them, and we know about the Saudi involvement with Kushner and the golf tournament thing with Trump.",
">\n\nAh okay, just curious.",
">\n\nand Giuliani is the type that can't seem to keep his mouth shut lol",
">\n\nHe basically admitting that not only did people who shouldn't have seen them look at top secret documents but in all likelihood many of them brought them home.\nIf I was the FBI I'd bring this to the judge as probable cause to search half a dozen trump associate properties for top secret documents.",
">\n\nHe took documents home",
">\n\nAt least he never got caught.",
">\n\nI hear no one still knows about it!",
">\n\nEveryone knows people are saying that",
">\n\nRudy is trying to get paid for a 6 figure or maybe even 7 figure legal bill. So if he floats this idea at a time when the special prosecutor is tightening his noose he may get Trump to pay him. Birds of a feather. They truly deserve each other. Yuck!",
">\n\nSo who here thinks if Rudy is saying he didn't out of the cleat blue sky, someone should check it out?\nAlso... \"Vetting rich people?\" That is a really weird way of saying,\"picking cabinet members.\" That seems a little telling.",
">\n\nTranslation: \"Juicy Research to keep the person in line in case they think about turning\""
] |
>
Worst case scenario he does 3-6 months in a privately operated prison for wealthy celebrities. He can admit to murder and offer evidence of it and it'd still be years before he served those 6 months
|
[
"Did Rudy have security clearance to even view those documents?",
">\n\nNone of Trumps top advisors (including all his kids) could pass security clearance standards.",
">\n\nYet they held them :P. At least Kushner did.",
">\n\nThey all did, Kushner was the one who immediately rose suspection.",
">\n\nTrump had to personally step in to grant Kush his clearance because he kept getting caught lying on his application forms.",
">\n\nHow did he give him clearance, just thinking about it?",
">\n\nHe just had to say . \"You now have top secret clearance . \"",
">\n\nI didn't know that Jabba the Hutt had jedi mind powers...",
">\n\nCome on, even the most corrupt crimelord in a Galaxy Far, Far Away paid his subcontractors and ran an efficient criminal enterprise.\nTrump managed to bankrupt a casino, and I still have yet to truly understand how he failed a place that is designed to seperate people from their money. Aside from being so shitty no one would be seen there which sounds about on par for his 'brand'.",
">\n\n\nTrump managed to bankrupt a casino,\n\nthats not quite accurate\ni think it was 3 casinos at least.",
">\n\n\nGiuliani also said top secret files are \"very, very strange the way they're put together\" and \"often are very small, but they contain a lot of information.\"\n\nFor the love of god please please shut up.",
">\n\nTalking about the formatting of top secret docs is literally giving away classified information. How is this guy not in prison yet?",
">\n\nThat guy was president.., that’s why.\nRemember when a game show host ran for president?\nDo you remember thinking it was a complete joke? \nAnd then that pathetic liar and ruiner of lives actually won?\nThat’s why… \n…cuz half of this country “hated school”…and is also ironically still stuck in high school",
">\n\n\nhalf of this country “hated school”…and is also ironically still stuck in high school\n\nThis hits hard. While there's no simple explanation for what's happening, I feel this hits the nail on the head. So much I think many \"conservatives\" and \"centrists\" would agree.",
">\n\n\nGiuliani said he was at Mar-a-Lago, working on \"vetting\" some \"very rich\" people — specifically, going through their tax returns for Trump. \n\nUm what?",
">\n\nVery legal. Very cool.",
">\n\nI mean, it's so casual for them to be doing this that they are talking about it openly. So I guess this is how our government is run?",
">\n\nWell It's how Trump's government was run.",
">\n\nReferring to a government under a certain president’s term as their government is common practice. Things and the procedures by which they happen change drastically with the new leader nearly every time.\nThough, to your point, it has been the same shitstorm for a while now.\nPointless comment over and out. o7",
">\n\nWhat is the play here by Giuliani… what is he up to",
">\n\nTrump didn't pay him for his work promoting the big lie and trying to get the election overturned, so....",
">\n\nThey definitely have mutual dirt on each other going back decades.\nThe idiot almost said as much in public, saying that he had \"insurance.\"\nIt kind of explains the desperation. Not the idiocy, though.",
">\n\nBut I don’t see endless headlines to get Julie in any legal trouble. I wonder if this is an attempt to save his own ass through some deal.",
">\n\nI'm just very confused. Giuliani had no right to look at classified documents, let alone take them home. Now he said he never took any home, but did he even read them? Just cause he's the President's lawyer, that doesn't automatically give some clearance right?",
">\n\nI’ve never seen that and wish I hadn’t to be honest. So gross.",
">\n\nDid they hand out top secret documents in maralargo like some sort of goodie bag? \nLike here is a diet coke, cheesburger Maga hat and some top secret satellite photos of Iranian nuke sites.",
">\n\n\"What's your net worth? Ooooh, nice! Have a complimentary nuclear secret!\"\n\"Dude, I just wanna know how to get to the pool.\"",
">\n\n\"He told me, 'Oh, take them home with you,'\" Giuliani said of Trump. \"I'm not going to take Wilbur Ross' tax returns home with me. I could misplace them!\"\n\"I — you know, I never, ever, ever, ever, ever, knowingly, and I never got caught — but I don't remember ever taking a doc,\" Giuliani added. He said he would place documents in a small safe at his desk in Mar-a-Lago to be worked on the next day.\nGiuliani also said top secret files are \"very, very strange the way they're put together\" and \"often are very small, but they contain a lot of information.\"",
">\n\nGiuliani sounds guilty as hell to me.",
">\n\n\nI never, ever ever ever ever\n\nWords of an innocent man I tell ya",
">\n\n\"and I never got caught\" lol",
">\n\nHe said the thing he wasn’t supposed to say out loud.",
">\n\nI believe at least two things are in play here.\n1st, and most importantly, Trump took those documents to sell nuclear secrets to the Saudis. I absolutely believe this happened.\nThe other is that Trump is a grandiose narcissistic braggart. He took those documents just so that he could brag to people that he has possession of TS documents.",
">\n\nIs there any reporting on the 1st assumption?",
">\n\nNothing that would stand up in court. Just circumstantial stuff as far as I know right now. There were apparently nuclear documents, but I don't know what type of information was in them, and we know about the Saudi involvement with Kushner and the golf tournament thing with Trump.",
">\n\nAh okay, just curious.",
">\n\nand Giuliani is the type that can't seem to keep his mouth shut lol",
">\n\nHe basically admitting that not only did people who shouldn't have seen them look at top secret documents but in all likelihood many of them brought them home.\nIf I was the FBI I'd bring this to the judge as probable cause to search half a dozen trump associate properties for top secret documents.",
">\n\nHe took documents home",
">\n\nAt least he never got caught.",
">\n\nI hear no one still knows about it!",
">\n\nEveryone knows people are saying that",
">\n\nRudy is trying to get paid for a 6 figure or maybe even 7 figure legal bill. So if he floats this idea at a time when the special prosecutor is tightening his noose he may get Trump to pay him. Birds of a feather. They truly deserve each other. Yuck!",
">\n\nSo who here thinks if Rudy is saying he didn't out of the cleat blue sky, someone should check it out?\nAlso... \"Vetting rich people?\" That is a really weird way of saying,\"picking cabinet members.\" That seems a little telling.",
">\n\nTranslation: \"Juicy Research to keep the person in line in case they think about turning\"",
">\n\nThis guy might be super stupid to confessing openly about this treason!"
] |
>
Our systems have totally failed us. Intelligence, DOJ and inmoral politicians who placed party and greed over country!
|
[
"Did Rudy have security clearance to even view those documents?",
">\n\nNone of Trumps top advisors (including all his kids) could pass security clearance standards.",
">\n\nYet they held them :P. At least Kushner did.",
">\n\nThey all did, Kushner was the one who immediately rose suspection.",
">\n\nTrump had to personally step in to grant Kush his clearance because he kept getting caught lying on his application forms.",
">\n\nHow did he give him clearance, just thinking about it?",
">\n\nHe just had to say . \"You now have top secret clearance . \"",
">\n\nI didn't know that Jabba the Hutt had jedi mind powers...",
">\n\nCome on, even the most corrupt crimelord in a Galaxy Far, Far Away paid his subcontractors and ran an efficient criminal enterprise.\nTrump managed to bankrupt a casino, and I still have yet to truly understand how he failed a place that is designed to seperate people from their money. Aside from being so shitty no one would be seen there which sounds about on par for his 'brand'.",
">\n\n\nTrump managed to bankrupt a casino,\n\nthats not quite accurate\ni think it was 3 casinos at least.",
">\n\n\nGiuliani also said top secret files are \"very, very strange the way they're put together\" and \"often are very small, but they contain a lot of information.\"\n\nFor the love of god please please shut up.",
">\n\nTalking about the formatting of top secret docs is literally giving away classified information. How is this guy not in prison yet?",
">\n\nThat guy was president.., that’s why.\nRemember when a game show host ran for president?\nDo you remember thinking it was a complete joke? \nAnd then that pathetic liar and ruiner of lives actually won?\nThat’s why… \n…cuz half of this country “hated school”…and is also ironically still stuck in high school",
">\n\n\nhalf of this country “hated school”…and is also ironically still stuck in high school\n\nThis hits hard. While there's no simple explanation for what's happening, I feel this hits the nail on the head. So much I think many \"conservatives\" and \"centrists\" would agree.",
">\n\n\nGiuliani said he was at Mar-a-Lago, working on \"vetting\" some \"very rich\" people — specifically, going through their tax returns for Trump. \n\nUm what?",
">\n\nVery legal. Very cool.",
">\n\nI mean, it's so casual for them to be doing this that they are talking about it openly. So I guess this is how our government is run?",
">\n\nWell It's how Trump's government was run.",
">\n\nReferring to a government under a certain president’s term as their government is common practice. Things and the procedures by which they happen change drastically with the new leader nearly every time.\nThough, to your point, it has been the same shitstorm for a while now.\nPointless comment over and out. o7",
">\n\nWhat is the play here by Giuliani… what is he up to",
">\n\nTrump didn't pay him for his work promoting the big lie and trying to get the election overturned, so....",
">\n\nThey definitely have mutual dirt on each other going back decades.\nThe idiot almost said as much in public, saying that he had \"insurance.\"\nIt kind of explains the desperation. Not the idiocy, though.",
">\n\nBut I don’t see endless headlines to get Julie in any legal trouble. I wonder if this is an attempt to save his own ass through some deal.",
">\n\nI'm just very confused. Giuliani had no right to look at classified documents, let alone take them home. Now he said he never took any home, but did he even read them? Just cause he's the President's lawyer, that doesn't automatically give some clearance right?",
">\n\nI’ve never seen that and wish I hadn’t to be honest. So gross.",
">\n\nDid they hand out top secret documents in maralargo like some sort of goodie bag? \nLike here is a diet coke, cheesburger Maga hat and some top secret satellite photos of Iranian nuke sites.",
">\n\n\"What's your net worth? Ooooh, nice! Have a complimentary nuclear secret!\"\n\"Dude, I just wanna know how to get to the pool.\"",
">\n\n\"He told me, 'Oh, take them home with you,'\" Giuliani said of Trump. \"I'm not going to take Wilbur Ross' tax returns home with me. I could misplace them!\"\n\"I — you know, I never, ever, ever, ever, ever, knowingly, and I never got caught — but I don't remember ever taking a doc,\" Giuliani added. He said he would place documents in a small safe at his desk in Mar-a-Lago to be worked on the next day.\nGiuliani also said top secret files are \"very, very strange the way they're put together\" and \"often are very small, but they contain a lot of information.\"",
">\n\nGiuliani sounds guilty as hell to me.",
">\n\n\nI never, ever ever ever ever\n\nWords of an innocent man I tell ya",
">\n\n\"and I never got caught\" lol",
">\n\nHe said the thing he wasn’t supposed to say out loud.",
">\n\nI believe at least two things are in play here.\n1st, and most importantly, Trump took those documents to sell nuclear secrets to the Saudis. I absolutely believe this happened.\nThe other is that Trump is a grandiose narcissistic braggart. He took those documents just so that he could brag to people that he has possession of TS documents.",
">\n\nIs there any reporting on the 1st assumption?",
">\n\nNothing that would stand up in court. Just circumstantial stuff as far as I know right now. There were apparently nuclear documents, but I don't know what type of information was in them, and we know about the Saudi involvement with Kushner and the golf tournament thing with Trump.",
">\n\nAh okay, just curious.",
">\n\nand Giuliani is the type that can't seem to keep his mouth shut lol",
">\n\nHe basically admitting that not only did people who shouldn't have seen them look at top secret documents but in all likelihood many of them brought them home.\nIf I was the FBI I'd bring this to the judge as probable cause to search half a dozen trump associate properties for top secret documents.",
">\n\nHe took documents home",
">\n\nAt least he never got caught.",
">\n\nI hear no one still knows about it!",
">\n\nEveryone knows people are saying that",
">\n\nRudy is trying to get paid for a 6 figure or maybe even 7 figure legal bill. So if he floats this idea at a time when the special prosecutor is tightening his noose he may get Trump to pay him. Birds of a feather. They truly deserve each other. Yuck!",
">\n\nSo who here thinks if Rudy is saying he didn't out of the cleat blue sky, someone should check it out?\nAlso... \"Vetting rich people?\" That is a really weird way of saying,\"picking cabinet members.\" That seems a little telling.",
">\n\nTranslation: \"Juicy Research to keep the person in line in case they think about turning\"",
">\n\nThis guy might be super stupid to confessing openly about this treason!",
">\n\nWorst case scenario he does 3-6 months in a privately operated prison for wealthy celebrities. He can admit to murder and offer evidence of it and it'd still be years before he served those 6 months"
] |
>
Rudy Giuliani says Trump once told him to take top-secret documents home. Giuliani said the incident occurred just after Trump became president, when he was working at Mar-a-Lago. [emphasis mine]
Not the least bit surprising.
Also wouldn't be surprising if it is ultimately discovered that Trump has been stealing classified documents and selling them to hostile foreign interests from the moment he first set foot in - and stained - the Oval Office w/his presence.
I believe Trump's meetings w/Russian oligarchs, Putin, etc., where no U.S. press , or even a translator were allowed were tip offs, red flags that went ignored.
|
[
"Did Rudy have security clearance to even view those documents?",
">\n\nNone of Trumps top advisors (including all his kids) could pass security clearance standards.",
">\n\nYet they held them :P. At least Kushner did.",
">\n\nThey all did, Kushner was the one who immediately rose suspection.",
">\n\nTrump had to personally step in to grant Kush his clearance because he kept getting caught lying on his application forms.",
">\n\nHow did he give him clearance, just thinking about it?",
">\n\nHe just had to say . \"You now have top secret clearance . \"",
">\n\nI didn't know that Jabba the Hutt had jedi mind powers...",
">\n\nCome on, even the most corrupt crimelord in a Galaxy Far, Far Away paid his subcontractors and ran an efficient criminal enterprise.\nTrump managed to bankrupt a casino, and I still have yet to truly understand how he failed a place that is designed to seperate people from their money. Aside from being so shitty no one would be seen there which sounds about on par for his 'brand'.",
">\n\n\nTrump managed to bankrupt a casino,\n\nthats not quite accurate\ni think it was 3 casinos at least.",
">\n\n\nGiuliani also said top secret files are \"very, very strange the way they're put together\" and \"often are very small, but they contain a lot of information.\"\n\nFor the love of god please please shut up.",
">\n\nTalking about the formatting of top secret docs is literally giving away classified information. How is this guy not in prison yet?",
">\n\nThat guy was president.., that’s why.\nRemember when a game show host ran for president?\nDo you remember thinking it was a complete joke? \nAnd then that pathetic liar and ruiner of lives actually won?\nThat’s why… \n…cuz half of this country “hated school”…and is also ironically still stuck in high school",
">\n\n\nhalf of this country “hated school”…and is also ironically still stuck in high school\n\nThis hits hard. While there's no simple explanation for what's happening, I feel this hits the nail on the head. So much I think many \"conservatives\" and \"centrists\" would agree.",
">\n\n\nGiuliani said he was at Mar-a-Lago, working on \"vetting\" some \"very rich\" people — specifically, going through their tax returns for Trump. \n\nUm what?",
">\n\nVery legal. Very cool.",
">\n\nI mean, it's so casual for them to be doing this that they are talking about it openly. So I guess this is how our government is run?",
">\n\nWell It's how Trump's government was run.",
">\n\nReferring to a government under a certain president’s term as their government is common practice. Things and the procedures by which they happen change drastically with the new leader nearly every time.\nThough, to your point, it has been the same shitstorm for a while now.\nPointless comment over and out. o7",
">\n\nWhat is the play here by Giuliani… what is he up to",
">\n\nTrump didn't pay him for his work promoting the big lie and trying to get the election overturned, so....",
">\n\nThey definitely have mutual dirt on each other going back decades.\nThe idiot almost said as much in public, saying that he had \"insurance.\"\nIt kind of explains the desperation. Not the idiocy, though.",
">\n\nBut I don’t see endless headlines to get Julie in any legal trouble. I wonder if this is an attempt to save his own ass through some deal.",
">\n\nI'm just very confused. Giuliani had no right to look at classified documents, let alone take them home. Now he said he never took any home, but did he even read them? Just cause he's the President's lawyer, that doesn't automatically give some clearance right?",
">\n\nI’ve never seen that and wish I hadn’t to be honest. So gross.",
">\n\nDid they hand out top secret documents in maralargo like some sort of goodie bag? \nLike here is a diet coke, cheesburger Maga hat and some top secret satellite photos of Iranian nuke sites.",
">\n\n\"What's your net worth? Ooooh, nice! Have a complimentary nuclear secret!\"\n\"Dude, I just wanna know how to get to the pool.\"",
">\n\n\"He told me, 'Oh, take them home with you,'\" Giuliani said of Trump. \"I'm not going to take Wilbur Ross' tax returns home with me. I could misplace them!\"\n\"I — you know, I never, ever, ever, ever, ever, knowingly, and I never got caught — but I don't remember ever taking a doc,\" Giuliani added. He said he would place documents in a small safe at his desk in Mar-a-Lago to be worked on the next day.\nGiuliani also said top secret files are \"very, very strange the way they're put together\" and \"often are very small, but they contain a lot of information.\"",
">\n\nGiuliani sounds guilty as hell to me.",
">\n\n\nI never, ever ever ever ever\n\nWords of an innocent man I tell ya",
">\n\n\"and I never got caught\" lol",
">\n\nHe said the thing he wasn’t supposed to say out loud.",
">\n\nI believe at least two things are in play here.\n1st, and most importantly, Trump took those documents to sell nuclear secrets to the Saudis. I absolutely believe this happened.\nThe other is that Trump is a grandiose narcissistic braggart. He took those documents just so that he could brag to people that he has possession of TS documents.",
">\n\nIs there any reporting on the 1st assumption?",
">\n\nNothing that would stand up in court. Just circumstantial stuff as far as I know right now. There were apparently nuclear documents, but I don't know what type of information was in them, and we know about the Saudi involvement with Kushner and the golf tournament thing with Trump.",
">\n\nAh okay, just curious.",
">\n\nand Giuliani is the type that can't seem to keep his mouth shut lol",
">\n\nHe basically admitting that not only did people who shouldn't have seen them look at top secret documents but in all likelihood many of them brought them home.\nIf I was the FBI I'd bring this to the judge as probable cause to search half a dozen trump associate properties for top secret documents.",
">\n\nHe took documents home",
">\n\nAt least he never got caught.",
">\n\nI hear no one still knows about it!",
">\n\nEveryone knows people are saying that",
">\n\nRudy is trying to get paid for a 6 figure or maybe even 7 figure legal bill. So if he floats this idea at a time when the special prosecutor is tightening his noose he may get Trump to pay him. Birds of a feather. They truly deserve each other. Yuck!",
">\n\nSo who here thinks if Rudy is saying he didn't out of the cleat blue sky, someone should check it out?\nAlso... \"Vetting rich people?\" That is a really weird way of saying,\"picking cabinet members.\" That seems a little telling.",
">\n\nTranslation: \"Juicy Research to keep the person in line in case they think about turning\"",
">\n\nThis guy might be super stupid to confessing openly about this treason!",
">\n\nWorst case scenario he does 3-6 months in a privately operated prison for wealthy celebrities. He can admit to murder and offer evidence of it and it'd still be years before he served those 6 months",
">\n\nOur systems have totally failed us. Intelligence, DOJ and inmoral politicians who placed party and greed over country!"
] |
>
Ever wonder why North Korea's Ballistic Missles started flying straighter and longer from the time after Trump started meeting with "his favorite little dictator?"
|
[
"Did Rudy have security clearance to even view those documents?",
">\n\nNone of Trumps top advisors (including all his kids) could pass security clearance standards.",
">\n\nYet they held them :P. At least Kushner did.",
">\n\nThey all did, Kushner was the one who immediately rose suspection.",
">\n\nTrump had to personally step in to grant Kush his clearance because he kept getting caught lying on his application forms.",
">\n\nHow did he give him clearance, just thinking about it?",
">\n\nHe just had to say . \"You now have top secret clearance . \"",
">\n\nI didn't know that Jabba the Hutt had jedi mind powers...",
">\n\nCome on, even the most corrupt crimelord in a Galaxy Far, Far Away paid his subcontractors and ran an efficient criminal enterprise.\nTrump managed to bankrupt a casino, and I still have yet to truly understand how he failed a place that is designed to seperate people from their money. Aside from being so shitty no one would be seen there which sounds about on par for his 'brand'.",
">\n\n\nTrump managed to bankrupt a casino,\n\nthats not quite accurate\ni think it was 3 casinos at least.",
">\n\n\nGiuliani also said top secret files are \"very, very strange the way they're put together\" and \"often are very small, but they contain a lot of information.\"\n\nFor the love of god please please shut up.",
">\n\nTalking about the formatting of top secret docs is literally giving away classified information. How is this guy not in prison yet?",
">\n\nThat guy was president.., that’s why.\nRemember when a game show host ran for president?\nDo you remember thinking it was a complete joke? \nAnd then that pathetic liar and ruiner of lives actually won?\nThat’s why… \n…cuz half of this country “hated school”…and is also ironically still stuck in high school",
">\n\n\nhalf of this country “hated school”…and is also ironically still stuck in high school\n\nThis hits hard. While there's no simple explanation for what's happening, I feel this hits the nail on the head. So much I think many \"conservatives\" and \"centrists\" would agree.",
">\n\n\nGiuliani said he was at Mar-a-Lago, working on \"vetting\" some \"very rich\" people — specifically, going through their tax returns for Trump. \n\nUm what?",
">\n\nVery legal. Very cool.",
">\n\nI mean, it's so casual for them to be doing this that they are talking about it openly. So I guess this is how our government is run?",
">\n\nWell It's how Trump's government was run.",
">\n\nReferring to a government under a certain president’s term as their government is common practice. Things and the procedures by which they happen change drastically with the new leader nearly every time.\nThough, to your point, it has been the same shitstorm for a while now.\nPointless comment over and out. o7",
">\n\nWhat is the play here by Giuliani… what is he up to",
">\n\nTrump didn't pay him for his work promoting the big lie and trying to get the election overturned, so....",
">\n\nThey definitely have mutual dirt on each other going back decades.\nThe idiot almost said as much in public, saying that he had \"insurance.\"\nIt kind of explains the desperation. Not the idiocy, though.",
">\n\nBut I don’t see endless headlines to get Julie in any legal trouble. I wonder if this is an attempt to save his own ass through some deal.",
">\n\nI'm just very confused. Giuliani had no right to look at classified documents, let alone take them home. Now he said he never took any home, but did he even read them? Just cause he's the President's lawyer, that doesn't automatically give some clearance right?",
">\n\nI’ve never seen that and wish I hadn’t to be honest. So gross.",
">\n\nDid they hand out top secret documents in maralargo like some sort of goodie bag? \nLike here is a diet coke, cheesburger Maga hat and some top secret satellite photos of Iranian nuke sites.",
">\n\n\"What's your net worth? Ooooh, nice! Have a complimentary nuclear secret!\"\n\"Dude, I just wanna know how to get to the pool.\"",
">\n\n\"He told me, 'Oh, take them home with you,'\" Giuliani said of Trump. \"I'm not going to take Wilbur Ross' tax returns home with me. I could misplace them!\"\n\"I — you know, I never, ever, ever, ever, ever, knowingly, and I never got caught — but I don't remember ever taking a doc,\" Giuliani added. He said he would place documents in a small safe at his desk in Mar-a-Lago to be worked on the next day.\nGiuliani also said top secret files are \"very, very strange the way they're put together\" and \"often are very small, but they contain a lot of information.\"",
">\n\nGiuliani sounds guilty as hell to me.",
">\n\n\nI never, ever ever ever ever\n\nWords of an innocent man I tell ya",
">\n\n\"and I never got caught\" lol",
">\n\nHe said the thing he wasn’t supposed to say out loud.",
">\n\nI believe at least two things are in play here.\n1st, and most importantly, Trump took those documents to sell nuclear secrets to the Saudis. I absolutely believe this happened.\nThe other is that Trump is a grandiose narcissistic braggart. He took those documents just so that he could brag to people that he has possession of TS documents.",
">\n\nIs there any reporting on the 1st assumption?",
">\n\nNothing that would stand up in court. Just circumstantial stuff as far as I know right now. There were apparently nuclear documents, but I don't know what type of information was in them, and we know about the Saudi involvement with Kushner and the golf tournament thing with Trump.",
">\n\nAh okay, just curious.",
">\n\nand Giuliani is the type that can't seem to keep his mouth shut lol",
">\n\nHe basically admitting that not only did people who shouldn't have seen them look at top secret documents but in all likelihood many of them brought them home.\nIf I was the FBI I'd bring this to the judge as probable cause to search half a dozen trump associate properties for top secret documents.",
">\n\nHe took documents home",
">\n\nAt least he never got caught.",
">\n\nI hear no one still knows about it!",
">\n\nEveryone knows people are saying that",
">\n\nRudy is trying to get paid for a 6 figure or maybe even 7 figure legal bill. So if he floats this idea at a time when the special prosecutor is tightening his noose he may get Trump to pay him. Birds of a feather. They truly deserve each other. Yuck!",
">\n\nSo who here thinks if Rudy is saying he didn't out of the cleat blue sky, someone should check it out?\nAlso... \"Vetting rich people?\" That is a really weird way of saying,\"picking cabinet members.\" That seems a little telling.",
">\n\nTranslation: \"Juicy Research to keep the person in line in case they think about turning\"",
">\n\nThis guy might be super stupid to confessing openly about this treason!",
">\n\nWorst case scenario he does 3-6 months in a privately operated prison for wealthy celebrities. He can admit to murder and offer evidence of it and it'd still be years before he served those 6 months",
">\n\nOur systems have totally failed us. Intelligence, DOJ and inmoral politicians who placed party and greed over country!",
">\n\n\nRudy Giuliani says Trump once told him to take top-secret documents home. Giuliani said the incident occurred just after Trump became president, when he was working at Mar-a-Lago. [emphasis mine]\n\nNot the least bit surprising.\nAlso wouldn't be surprising if it is ultimately discovered that Trump has been stealing classified documents and selling them to hostile foreign interests from the moment he first set foot in - and stained - the Oval Office w/his presence.\nI believe Trump's meetings w/Russian oligarchs, Putin, etc., where no U.S. press , or even a translator were allowed were tip offs, red flags that went ignored."
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No, you don't start to get empathy for what he told you to do. You did it, you complied, and you covered for it. You and all the other cronies should go right down with him. You don't get to come up later and point blame at him. You're just as despicable. Lock 'em all up!
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[
"Did Rudy have security clearance to even view those documents?",
">\n\nNone of Trumps top advisors (including all his kids) could pass security clearance standards.",
">\n\nYet they held them :P. At least Kushner did.",
">\n\nThey all did, Kushner was the one who immediately rose suspection.",
">\n\nTrump had to personally step in to grant Kush his clearance because he kept getting caught lying on his application forms.",
">\n\nHow did he give him clearance, just thinking about it?",
">\n\nHe just had to say . \"You now have top secret clearance . \"",
">\n\nI didn't know that Jabba the Hutt had jedi mind powers...",
">\n\nCome on, even the most corrupt crimelord in a Galaxy Far, Far Away paid his subcontractors and ran an efficient criminal enterprise.\nTrump managed to bankrupt a casino, and I still have yet to truly understand how he failed a place that is designed to seperate people from their money. Aside from being so shitty no one would be seen there which sounds about on par for his 'brand'.",
">\n\n\nTrump managed to bankrupt a casino,\n\nthats not quite accurate\ni think it was 3 casinos at least.",
">\n\n\nGiuliani also said top secret files are \"very, very strange the way they're put together\" and \"often are very small, but they contain a lot of information.\"\n\nFor the love of god please please shut up.",
">\n\nTalking about the formatting of top secret docs is literally giving away classified information. How is this guy not in prison yet?",
">\n\nThat guy was president.., that’s why.\nRemember when a game show host ran for president?\nDo you remember thinking it was a complete joke? \nAnd then that pathetic liar and ruiner of lives actually won?\nThat’s why… \n…cuz half of this country “hated school”…and is also ironically still stuck in high school",
">\n\n\nhalf of this country “hated school”…and is also ironically still stuck in high school\n\nThis hits hard. While there's no simple explanation for what's happening, I feel this hits the nail on the head. So much I think many \"conservatives\" and \"centrists\" would agree.",
">\n\n\nGiuliani said he was at Mar-a-Lago, working on \"vetting\" some \"very rich\" people — specifically, going through their tax returns for Trump. \n\nUm what?",
">\n\nVery legal. Very cool.",
">\n\nI mean, it's so casual for them to be doing this that they are talking about it openly. So I guess this is how our government is run?",
">\n\nWell It's how Trump's government was run.",
">\n\nReferring to a government under a certain president’s term as their government is common practice. Things and the procedures by which they happen change drastically with the new leader nearly every time.\nThough, to your point, it has been the same shitstorm for a while now.\nPointless comment over and out. o7",
">\n\nWhat is the play here by Giuliani… what is he up to",
">\n\nTrump didn't pay him for his work promoting the big lie and trying to get the election overturned, so....",
">\n\nThey definitely have mutual dirt on each other going back decades.\nThe idiot almost said as much in public, saying that he had \"insurance.\"\nIt kind of explains the desperation. Not the idiocy, though.",
">\n\nBut I don’t see endless headlines to get Julie in any legal trouble. I wonder if this is an attempt to save his own ass through some deal.",
">\n\nI'm just very confused. Giuliani had no right to look at classified documents, let alone take them home. Now he said he never took any home, but did he even read them? Just cause he's the President's lawyer, that doesn't automatically give some clearance right?",
">\n\nI’ve never seen that and wish I hadn’t to be honest. So gross.",
">\n\nDid they hand out top secret documents in maralargo like some sort of goodie bag? \nLike here is a diet coke, cheesburger Maga hat and some top secret satellite photos of Iranian nuke sites.",
">\n\n\"What's your net worth? Ooooh, nice! Have a complimentary nuclear secret!\"\n\"Dude, I just wanna know how to get to the pool.\"",
">\n\n\"He told me, 'Oh, take them home with you,'\" Giuliani said of Trump. \"I'm not going to take Wilbur Ross' tax returns home with me. I could misplace them!\"\n\"I — you know, I never, ever, ever, ever, ever, knowingly, and I never got caught — but I don't remember ever taking a doc,\" Giuliani added. He said he would place documents in a small safe at his desk in Mar-a-Lago to be worked on the next day.\nGiuliani also said top secret files are \"very, very strange the way they're put together\" and \"often are very small, but they contain a lot of information.\"",
">\n\nGiuliani sounds guilty as hell to me.",
">\n\n\nI never, ever ever ever ever\n\nWords of an innocent man I tell ya",
">\n\n\"and I never got caught\" lol",
">\n\nHe said the thing he wasn’t supposed to say out loud.",
">\n\nI believe at least two things are in play here.\n1st, and most importantly, Trump took those documents to sell nuclear secrets to the Saudis. I absolutely believe this happened.\nThe other is that Trump is a grandiose narcissistic braggart. He took those documents just so that he could brag to people that he has possession of TS documents.",
">\n\nIs there any reporting on the 1st assumption?",
">\n\nNothing that would stand up in court. Just circumstantial stuff as far as I know right now. There were apparently nuclear documents, but I don't know what type of information was in them, and we know about the Saudi involvement with Kushner and the golf tournament thing with Trump.",
">\n\nAh okay, just curious.",
">\n\nand Giuliani is the type that can't seem to keep his mouth shut lol",
">\n\nHe basically admitting that not only did people who shouldn't have seen them look at top secret documents but in all likelihood many of them brought them home.\nIf I was the FBI I'd bring this to the judge as probable cause to search half a dozen trump associate properties for top secret documents.",
">\n\nHe took documents home",
">\n\nAt least he never got caught.",
">\n\nI hear no one still knows about it!",
">\n\nEveryone knows people are saying that",
">\n\nRudy is trying to get paid for a 6 figure or maybe even 7 figure legal bill. So if he floats this idea at a time when the special prosecutor is tightening his noose he may get Trump to pay him. Birds of a feather. They truly deserve each other. Yuck!",
">\n\nSo who here thinks if Rudy is saying he didn't out of the cleat blue sky, someone should check it out?\nAlso... \"Vetting rich people?\" That is a really weird way of saying,\"picking cabinet members.\" That seems a little telling.",
">\n\nTranslation: \"Juicy Research to keep the person in line in case they think about turning\"",
">\n\nThis guy might be super stupid to confessing openly about this treason!",
">\n\nWorst case scenario he does 3-6 months in a privately operated prison for wealthy celebrities. He can admit to murder and offer evidence of it and it'd still be years before he served those 6 months",
">\n\nOur systems have totally failed us. Intelligence, DOJ and inmoral politicians who placed party and greed over country!",
">\n\n\nRudy Giuliani says Trump once told him to take top-secret documents home. Giuliani said the incident occurred just after Trump became president, when he was working at Mar-a-Lago. [emphasis mine]\n\nNot the least bit surprising.\nAlso wouldn't be surprising if it is ultimately discovered that Trump has been stealing classified documents and selling them to hostile foreign interests from the moment he first set foot in - and stained - the Oval Office w/his presence.\nI believe Trump's meetings w/Russian oligarchs, Putin, etc., where no U.S. press , or even a translator were allowed were tip offs, red flags that went ignored.",
">\n\nEver wonder why North Korea's Ballistic Missles started flying straighter and longer from the time after Trump started meeting with \"his favorite little dictator?\""
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"Never got caught"...yeah, he's totally innocent.
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[
"Did Rudy have security clearance to even view those documents?",
">\n\nNone of Trumps top advisors (including all his kids) could pass security clearance standards.",
">\n\nYet they held them :P. At least Kushner did.",
">\n\nThey all did, Kushner was the one who immediately rose suspection.",
">\n\nTrump had to personally step in to grant Kush his clearance because he kept getting caught lying on his application forms.",
">\n\nHow did he give him clearance, just thinking about it?",
">\n\nHe just had to say . \"You now have top secret clearance . \"",
">\n\nI didn't know that Jabba the Hutt had jedi mind powers...",
">\n\nCome on, even the most corrupt crimelord in a Galaxy Far, Far Away paid his subcontractors and ran an efficient criminal enterprise.\nTrump managed to bankrupt a casino, and I still have yet to truly understand how he failed a place that is designed to seperate people from their money. Aside from being so shitty no one would be seen there which sounds about on par for his 'brand'.",
">\n\n\nTrump managed to bankrupt a casino,\n\nthats not quite accurate\ni think it was 3 casinos at least.",
">\n\n\nGiuliani also said top secret files are \"very, very strange the way they're put together\" and \"often are very small, but they contain a lot of information.\"\n\nFor the love of god please please shut up.",
">\n\nTalking about the formatting of top secret docs is literally giving away classified information. How is this guy not in prison yet?",
">\n\nThat guy was president.., that’s why.\nRemember when a game show host ran for president?\nDo you remember thinking it was a complete joke? \nAnd then that pathetic liar and ruiner of lives actually won?\nThat’s why… \n…cuz half of this country “hated school”…and is also ironically still stuck in high school",
">\n\n\nhalf of this country “hated school”…and is also ironically still stuck in high school\n\nThis hits hard. While there's no simple explanation for what's happening, I feel this hits the nail on the head. So much I think many \"conservatives\" and \"centrists\" would agree.",
">\n\n\nGiuliani said he was at Mar-a-Lago, working on \"vetting\" some \"very rich\" people — specifically, going through their tax returns for Trump. \n\nUm what?",
">\n\nVery legal. Very cool.",
">\n\nI mean, it's so casual for them to be doing this that they are talking about it openly. So I guess this is how our government is run?",
">\n\nWell It's how Trump's government was run.",
">\n\nReferring to a government under a certain president’s term as their government is common practice. Things and the procedures by which they happen change drastically with the new leader nearly every time.\nThough, to your point, it has been the same shitstorm for a while now.\nPointless comment over and out. o7",
">\n\nWhat is the play here by Giuliani… what is he up to",
">\n\nTrump didn't pay him for his work promoting the big lie and trying to get the election overturned, so....",
">\n\nThey definitely have mutual dirt on each other going back decades.\nThe idiot almost said as much in public, saying that he had \"insurance.\"\nIt kind of explains the desperation. Not the idiocy, though.",
">\n\nBut I don’t see endless headlines to get Julie in any legal trouble. I wonder if this is an attempt to save his own ass through some deal.",
">\n\nI'm just very confused. Giuliani had no right to look at classified documents, let alone take them home. Now he said he never took any home, but did he even read them? Just cause he's the President's lawyer, that doesn't automatically give some clearance right?",
">\n\nI’ve never seen that and wish I hadn’t to be honest. So gross.",
">\n\nDid they hand out top secret documents in maralargo like some sort of goodie bag? \nLike here is a diet coke, cheesburger Maga hat and some top secret satellite photos of Iranian nuke sites.",
">\n\n\"What's your net worth? Ooooh, nice! Have a complimentary nuclear secret!\"\n\"Dude, I just wanna know how to get to the pool.\"",
">\n\n\"He told me, 'Oh, take them home with you,'\" Giuliani said of Trump. \"I'm not going to take Wilbur Ross' tax returns home with me. I could misplace them!\"\n\"I — you know, I never, ever, ever, ever, ever, knowingly, and I never got caught — but I don't remember ever taking a doc,\" Giuliani added. He said he would place documents in a small safe at his desk in Mar-a-Lago to be worked on the next day.\nGiuliani also said top secret files are \"very, very strange the way they're put together\" and \"often are very small, but they contain a lot of information.\"",
">\n\nGiuliani sounds guilty as hell to me.",
">\n\n\nI never, ever ever ever ever\n\nWords of an innocent man I tell ya",
">\n\n\"and I never got caught\" lol",
">\n\nHe said the thing he wasn’t supposed to say out loud.",
">\n\nI believe at least two things are in play here.\n1st, and most importantly, Trump took those documents to sell nuclear secrets to the Saudis. I absolutely believe this happened.\nThe other is that Trump is a grandiose narcissistic braggart. He took those documents just so that he could brag to people that he has possession of TS documents.",
">\n\nIs there any reporting on the 1st assumption?",
">\n\nNothing that would stand up in court. Just circumstantial stuff as far as I know right now. There were apparently nuclear documents, but I don't know what type of information was in them, and we know about the Saudi involvement with Kushner and the golf tournament thing with Trump.",
">\n\nAh okay, just curious.",
">\n\nand Giuliani is the type that can't seem to keep his mouth shut lol",
">\n\nHe basically admitting that not only did people who shouldn't have seen them look at top secret documents but in all likelihood many of them brought them home.\nIf I was the FBI I'd bring this to the judge as probable cause to search half a dozen trump associate properties for top secret documents.",
">\n\nHe took documents home",
">\n\nAt least he never got caught.",
">\n\nI hear no one still knows about it!",
">\n\nEveryone knows people are saying that",
">\n\nRudy is trying to get paid for a 6 figure or maybe even 7 figure legal bill. So if he floats this idea at a time when the special prosecutor is tightening his noose he may get Trump to pay him. Birds of a feather. They truly deserve each other. Yuck!",
">\n\nSo who here thinks if Rudy is saying he didn't out of the cleat blue sky, someone should check it out?\nAlso... \"Vetting rich people?\" That is a really weird way of saying,\"picking cabinet members.\" That seems a little telling.",
">\n\nTranslation: \"Juicy Research to keep the person in line in case they think about turning\"",
">\n\nThis guy might be super stupid to confessing openly about this treason!",
">\n\nWorst case scenario he does 3-6 months in a privately operated prison for wealthy celebrities. He can admit to murder and offer evidence of it and it'd still be years before he served those 6 months",
">\n\nOur systems have totally failed us. Intelligence, DOJ and inmoral politicians who placed party and greed over country!",
">\n\n\nRudy Giuliani says Trump once told him to take top-secret documents home. Giuliani said the incident occurred just after Trump became president, when he was working at Mar-a-Lago. [emphasis mine]\n\nNot the least bit surprising.\nAlso wouldn't be surprising if it is ultimately discovered that Trump has been stealing classified documents and selling them to hostile foreign interests from the moment he first set foot in - and stained - the Oval Office w/his presence.\nI believe Trump's meetings w/Russian oligarchs, Putin, etc., where no U.S. press , or even a translator were allowed were tip offs, red flags that went ignored.",
">\n\nEver wonder why North Korea's Ballistic Missles started flying straighter and longer from the time after Trump started meeting with \"his favorite little dictator?\"",
">\n\nNo, you don't start to get empathy for what he told you to do. You did it, you complied, and you covered for it. You and all the other cronies should go right down with him. You don't get to come up later and point blame at him. You're just as despicable. Lock 'em all up!"
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Always figured Rudy would flip quickly.
|
[
"Did Rudy have security clearance to even view those documents?",
">\n\nNone of Trumps top advisors (including all his kids) could pass security clearance standards.",
">\n\nYet they held them :P. At least Kushner did.",
">\n\nThey all did, Kushner was the one who immediately rose suspection.",
">\n\nTrump had to personally step in to grant Kush his clearance because he kept getting caught lying on his application forms.",
">\n\nHow did he give him clearance, just thinking about it?",
">\n\nHe just had to say . \"You now have top secret clearance . \"",
">\n\nI didn't know that Jabba the Hutt had jedi mind powers...",
">\n\nCome on, even the most corrupt crimelord in a Galaxy Far, Far Away paid his subcontractors and ran an efficient criminal enterprise.\nTrump managed to bankrupt a casino, and I still have yet to truly understand how he failed a place that is designed to seperate people from their money. Aside from being so shitty no one would be seen there which sounds about on par for his 'brand'.",
">\n\n\nTrump managed to bankrupt a casino,\n\nthats not quite accurate\ni think it was 3 casinos at least.",
">\n\n\nGiuliani also said top secret files are \"very, very strange the way they're put together\" and \"often are very small, but they contain a lot of information.\"\n\nFor the love of god please please shut up.",
">\n\nTalking about the formatting of top secret docs is literally giving away classified information. How is this guy not in prison yet?",
">\n\nThat guy was president.., that’s why.\nRemember when a game show host ran for president?\nDo you remember thinking it was a complete joke? \nAnd then that pathetic liar and ruiner of lives actually won?\nThat’s why… \n…cuz half of this country “hated school”…and is also ironically still stuck in high school",
">\n\n\nhalf of this country “hated school”…and is also ironically still stuck in high school\n\nThis hits hard. While there's no simple explanation for what's happening, I feel this hits the nail on the head. So much I think many \"conservatives\" and \"centrists\" would agree.",
">\n\n\nGiuliani said he was at Mar-a-Lago, working on \"vetting\" some \"very rich\" people — specifically, going through their tax returns for Trump. \n\nUm what?",
">\n\nVery legal. Very cool.",
">\n\nI mean, it's so casual for them to be doing this that they are talking about it openly. So I guess this is how our government is run?",
">\n\nWell It's how Trump's government was run.",
">\n\nReferring to a government under a certain president’s term as their government is common practice. Things and the procedures by which they happen change drastically with the new leader nearly every time.\nThough, to your point, it has been the same shitstorm for a while now.\nPointless comment over and out. o7",
">\n\nWhat is the play here by Giuliani… what is he up to",
">\n\nTrump didn't pay him for his work promoting the big lie and trying to get the election overturned, so....",
">\n\nThey definitely have mutual dirt on each other going back decades.\nThe idiot almost said as much in public, saying that he had \"insurance.\"\nIt kind of explains the desperation. Not the idiocy, though.",
">\n\nBut I don’t see endless headlines to get Julie in any legal trouble. I wonder if this is an attempt to save his own ass through some deal.",
">\n\nI'm just very confused. Giuliani had no right to look at classified documents, let alone take them home. Now he said he never took any home, but did he even read them? Just cause he's the President's lawyer, that doesn't automatically give some clearance right?",
">\n\nI’ve never seen that and wish I hadn’t to be honest. So gross.",
">\n\nDid they hand out top secret documents in maralargo like some sort of goodie bag? \nLike here is a diet coke, cheesburger Maga hat and some top secret satellite photos of Iranian nuke sites.",
">\n\n\"What's your net worth? Ooooh, nice! Have a complimentary nuclear secret!\"\n\"Dude, I just wanna know how to get to the pool.\"",
">\n\n\"He told me, 'Oh, take them home with you,'\" Giuliani said of Trump. \"I'm not going to take Wilbur Ross' tax returns home with me. I could misplace them!\"\n\"I — you know, I never, ever, ever, ever, ever, knowingly, and I never got caught — but I don't remember ever taking a doc,\" Giuliani added. He said he would place documents in a small safe at his desk in Mar-a-Lago to be worked on the next day.\nGiuliani also said top secret files are \"very, very strange the way they're put together\" and \"often are very small, but they contain a lot of information.\"",
">\n\nGiuliani sounds guilty as hell to me.",
">\n\n\nI never, ever ever ever ever\n\nWords of an innocent man I tell ya",
">\n\n\"and I never got caught\" lol",
">\n\nHe said the thing he wasn’t supposed to say out loud.",
">\n\nI believe at least two things are in play here.\n1st, and most importantly, Trump took those documents to sell nuclear secrets to the Saudis. I absolutely believe this happened.\nThe other is that Trump is a grandiose narcissistic braggart. He took those documents just so that he could brag to people that he has possession of TS documents.",
">\n\nIs there any reporting on the 1st assumption?",
">\n\nNothing that would stand up in court. Just circumstantial stuff as far as I know right now. There were apparently nuclear documents, but I don't know what type of information was in them, and we know about the Saudi involvement with Kushner and the golf tournament thing with Trump.",
">\n\nAh okay, just curious.",
">\n\nand Giuliani is the type that can't seem to keep his mouth shut lol",
">\n\nHe basically admitting that not only did people who shouldn't have seen them look at top secret documents but in all likelihood many of them brought them home.\nIf I was the FBI I'd bring this to the judge as probable cause to search half a dozen trump associate properties for top secret documents.",
">\n\nHe took documents home",
">\n\nAt least he never got caught.",
">\n\nI hear no one still knows about it!",
">\n\nEveryone knows people are saying that",
">\n\nRudy is trying to get paid for a 6 figure or maybe even 7 figure legal bill. So if he floats this idea at a time when the special prosecutor is tightening his noose he may get Trump to pay him. Birds of a feather. They truly deserve each other. Yuck!",
">\n\nSo who here thinks if Rudy is saying he didn't out of the cleat blue sky, someone should check it out?\nAlso... \"Vetting rich people?\" That is a really weird way of saying,\"picking cabinet members.\" That seems a little telling.",
">\n\nTranslation: \"Juicy Research to keep the person in line in case they think about turning\"",
">\n\nThis guy might be super stupid to confessing openly about this treason!",
">\n\nWorst case scenario he does 3-6 months in a privately operated prison for wealthy celebrities. He can admit to murder and offer evidence of it and it'd still be years before he served those 6 months",
">\n\nOur systems have totally failed us. Intelligence, DOJ and inmoral politicians who placed party and greed over country!",
">\n\n\nRudy Giuliani says Trump once told him to take top-secret documents home. Giuliani said the incident occurred just after Trump became president, when he was working at Mar-a-Lago. [emphasis mine]\n\nNot the least bit surprising.\nAlso wouldn't be surprising if it is ultimately discovered that Trump has been stealing classified documents and selling them to hostile foreign interests from the moment he first set foot in - and stained - the Oval Office w/his presence.\nI believe Trump's meetings w/Russian oligarchs, Putin, etc., where no U.S. press , or even a translator were allowed were tip offs, red flags that went ignored.",
">\n\nEver wonder why North Korea's Ballistic Missles started flying straighter and longer from the time after Trump started meeting with \"his favorite little dictator?\"",
">\n\nNo, you don't start to get empathy for what he told you to do. You did it, you complied, and you covered for it. You and all the other cronies should go right down with him. You don't get to come up later and point blame at him. You're just as despicable. Lock 'em all up!",
">\n\n\"Never got caught\"...yeah, he's totally innocent."
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>
Not to worry they were safely secured at the Four Seasons Total Landscaping in NE Philly
|
[
"Did Rudy have security clearance to even view those documents?",
">\n\nNone of Trumps top advisors (including all his kids) could pass security clearance standards.",
">\n\nYet they held them :P. At least Kushner did.",
">\n\nThey all did, Kushner was the one who immediately rose suspection.",
">\n\nTrump had to personally step in to grant Kush his clearance because he kept getting caught lying on his application forms.",
">\n\nHow did he give him clearance, just thinking about it?",
">\n\nHe just had to say . \"You now have top secret clearance . \"",
">\n\nI didn't know that Jabba the Hutt had jedi mind powers...",
">\n\nCome on, even the most corrupt crimelord in a Galaxy Far, Far Away paid his subcontractors and ran an efficient criminal enterprise.\nTrump managed to bankrupt a casino, and I still have yet to truly understand how he failed a place that is designed to seperate people from their money. Aside from being so shitty no one would be seen there which sounds about on par for his 'brand'.",
">\n\n\nTrump managed to bankrupt a casino,\n\nthats not quite accurate\ni think it was 3 casinos at least.",
">\n\n\nGiuliani also said top secret files are \"very, very strange the way they're put together\" and \"often are very small, but they contain a lot of information.\"\n\nFor the love of god please please shut up.",
">\n\nTalking about the formatting of top secret docs is literally giving away classified information. How is this guy not in prison yet?",
">\n\nThat guy was president.., that’s why.\nRemember when a game show host ran for president?\nDo you remember thinking it was a complete joke? \nAnd then that pathetic liar and ruiner of lives actually won?\nThat’s why… \n…cuz half of this country “hated school”…and is also ironically still stuck in high school",
">\n\n\nhalf of this country “hated school”…and is also ironically still stuck in high school\n\nThis hits hard. While there's no simple explanation for what's happening, I feel this hits the nail on the head. So much I think many \"conservatives\" and \"centrists\" would agree.",
">\n\n\nGiuliani said he was at Mar-a-Lago, working on \"vetting\" some \"very rich\" people — specifically, going through their tax returns for Trump. \n\nUm what?",
">\n\nVery legal. Very cool.",
">\n\nI mean, it's so casual for them to be doing this that they are talking about it openly. So I guess this is how our government is run?",
">\n\nWell It's how Trump's government was run.",
">\n\nReferring to a government under a certain president’s term as their government is common practice. Things and the procedures by which they happen change drastically with the new leader nearly every time.\nThough, to your point, it has been the same shitstorm for a while now.\nPointless comment over and out. o7",
">\n\nWhat is the play here by Giuliani… what is he up to",
">\n\nTrump didn't pay him for his work promoting the big lie and trying to get the election overturned, so....",
">\n\nThey definitely have mutual dirt on each other going back decades.\nThe idiot almost said as much in public, saying that he had \"insurance.\"\nIt kind of explains the desperation. Not the idiocy, though.",
">\n\nBut I don’t see endless headlines to get Julie in any legal trouble. I wonder if this is an attempt to save his own ass through some deal.",
">\n\nI'm just very confused. Giuliani had no right to look at classified documents, let alone take them home. Now he said he never took any home, but did he even read them? Just cause he's the President's lawyer, that doesn't automatically give some clearance right?",
">\n\nI’ve never seen that and wish I hadn’t to be honest. So gross.",
">\n\nDid they hand out top secret documents in maralargo like some sort of goodie bag? \nLike here is a diet coke, cheesburger Maga hat and some top secret satellite photos of Iranian nuke sites.",
">\n\n\"What's your net worth? Ooooh, nice! Have a complimentary nuclear secret!\"\n\"Dude, I just wanna know how to get to the pool.\"",
">\n\n\"He told me, 'Oh, take them home with you,'\" Giuliani said of Trump. \"I'm not going to take Wilbur Ross' tax returns home with me. I could misplace them!\"\n\"I — you know, I never, ever, ever, ever, ever, knowingly, and I never got caught — but I don't remember ever taking a doc,\" Giuliani added. He said he would place documents in a small safe at his desk in Mar-a-Lago to be worked on the next day.\nGiuliani also said top secret files are \"very, very strange the way they're put together\" and \"often are very small, but they contain a lot of information.\"",
">\n\nGiuliani sounds guilty as hell to me.",
">\n\n\nI never, ever ever ever ever\n\nWords of an innocent man I tell ya",
">\n\n\"and I never got caught\" lol",
">\n\nHe said the thing he wasn’t supposed to say out loud.",
">\n\nI believe at least two things are in play here.\n1st, and most importantly, Trump took those documents to sell nuclear secrets to the Saudis. I absolutely believe this happened.\nThe other is that Trump is a grandiose narcissistic braggart. He took those documents just so that he could brag to people that he has possession of TS documents.",
">\n\nIs there any reporting on the 1st assumption?",
">\n\nNothing that would stand up in court. Just circumstantial stuff as far as I know right now. There were apparently nuclear documents, but I don't know what type of information was in them, and we know about the Saudi involvement with Kushner and the golf tournament thing with Trump.",
">\n\nAh okay, just curious.",
">\n\nand Giuliani is the type that can't seem to keep his mouth shut lol",
">\n\nHe basically admitting that not only did people who shouldn't have seen them look at top secret documents but in all likelihood many of them brought them home.\nIf I was the FBI I'd bring this to the judge as probable cause to search half a dozen trump associate properties for top secret documents.",
">\n\nHe took documents home",
">\n\nAt least he never got caught.",
">\n\nI hear no one still knows about it!",
">\n\nEveryone knows people are saying that",
">\n\nRudy is trying to get paid for a 6 figure or maybe even 7 figure legal bill. So if he floats this idea at a time when the special prosecutor is tightening his noose he may get Trump to pay him. Birds of a feather. They truly deserve each other. Yuck!",
">\n\nSo who here thinks if Rudy is saying he didn't out of the cleat blue sky, someone should check it out?\nAlso... \"Vetting rich people?\" That is a really weird way of saying,\"picking cabinet members.\" That seems a little telling.",
">\n\nTranslation: \"Juicy Research to keep the person in line in case they think about turning\"",
">\n\nThis guy might be super stupid to confessing openly about this treason!",
">\n\nWorst case scenario he does 3-6 months in a privately operated prison for wealthy celebrities. He can admit to murder and offer evidence of it and it'd still be years before he served those 6 months",
">\n\nOur systems have totally failed us. Intelligence, DOJ and inmoral politicians who placed party and greed over country!",
">\n\n\nRudy Giuliani says Trump once told him to take top-secret documents home. Giuliani said the incident occurred just after Trump became president, when he was working at Mar-a-Lago. [emphasis mine]\n\nNot the least bit surprising.\nAlso wouldn't be surprising if it is ultimately discovered that Trump has been stealing classified documents and selling them to hostile foreign interests from the moment he first set foot in - and stained - the Oval Office w/his presence.\nI believe Trump's meetings w/Russian oligarchs, Putin, etc., where no U.S. press , or even a translator were allowed were tip offs, red flags that went ignored.",
">\n\nEver wonder why North Korea's Ballistic Missles started flying straighter and longer from the time after Trump started meeting with \"his favorite little dictator?\"",
">\n\nNo, you don't start to get empathy for what he told you to do. You did it, you complied, and you covered for it. You and all the other cronies should go right down with him. You don't get to come up later and point blame at him. You're just as despicable. Lock 'em all up!",
">\n\n\"Never got caught\"...yeah, he's totally innocent.",
">\n\nAlways figured Rudy would flip quickly."
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nah... the SCIF is at the Dildo Emporium.
Do you even Top Secret dude?
|
[
"Did Rudy have security clearance to even view those documents?",
">\n\nNone of Trumps top advisors (including all his kids) could pass security clearance standards.",
">\n\nYet they held them :P. At least Kushner did.",
">\n\nThey all did, Kushner was the one who immediately rose suspection.",
">\n\nTrump had to personally step in to grant Kush his clearance because he kept getting caught lying on his application forms.",
">\n\nHow did he give him clearance, just thinking about it?",
">\n\nHe just had to say . \"You now have top secret clearance . \"",
">\n\nI didn't know that Jabba the Hutt had jedi mind powers...",
">\n\nCome on, even the most corrupt crimelord in a Galaxy Far, Far Away paid his subcontractors and ran an efficient criminal enterprise.\nTrump managed to bankrupt a casino, and I still have yet to truly understand how he failed a place that is designed to seperate people from their money. Aside from being so shitty no one would be seen there which sounds about on par for his 'brand'.",
">\n\n\nTrump managed to bankrupt a casino,\n\nthats not quite accurate\ni think it was 3 casinos at least.",
">\n\n\nGiuliani also said top secret files are \"very, very strange the way they're put together\" and \"often are very small, but they contain a lot of information.\"\n\nFor the love of god please please shut up.",
">\n\nTalking about the formatting of top secret docs is literally giving away classified information. How is this guy not in prison yet?",
">\n\nThat guy was president.., that’s why.\nRemember when a game show host ran for president?\nDo you remember thinking it was a complete joke? \nAnd then that pathetic liar and ruiner of lives actually won?\nThat’s why… \n…cuz half of this country “hated school”…and is also ironically still stuck in high school",
">\n\n\nhalf of this country “hated school”…and is also ironically still stuck in high school\n\nThis hits hard. While there's no simple explanation for what's happening, I feel this hits the nail on the head. So much I think many \"conservatives\" and \"centrists\" would agree.",
">\n\n\nGiuliani said he was at Mar-a-Lago, working on \"vetting\" some \"very rich\" people — specifically, going through their tax returns for Trump. \n\nUm what?",
">\n\nVery legal. Very cool.",
">\n\nI mean, it's so casual for them to be doing this that they are talking about it openly. So I guess this is how our government is run?",
">\n\nWell It's how Trump's government was run.",
">\n\nReferring to a government under a certain president’s term as their government is common practice. Things and the procedures by which they happen change drastically with the new leader nearly every time.\nThough, to your point, it has been the same shitstorm for a while now.\nPointless comment over and out. o7",
">\n\nWhat is the play here by Giuliani… what is he up to",
">\n\nTrump didn't pay him for his work promoting the big lie and trying to get the election overturned, so....",
">\n\nThey definitely have mutual dirt on each other going back decades.\nThe idiot almost said as much in public, saying that he had \"insurance.\"\nIt kind of explains the desperation. Not the idiocy, though.",
">\n\nBut I don’t see endless headlines to get Julie in any legal trouble. I wonder if this is an attempt to save his own ass through some deal.",
">\n\nI'm just very confused. Giuliani had no right to look at classified documents, let alone take them home. Now he said he never took any home, but did he even read them? Just cause he's the President's lawyer, that doesn't automatically give some clearance right?",
">\n\nI’ve never seen that and wish I hadn’t to be honest. So gross.",
">\n\nDid they hand out top secret documents in maralargo like some sort of goodie bag? \nLike here is a diet coke, cheesburger Maga hat and some top secret satellite photos of Iranian nuke sites.",
">\n\n\"What's your net worth? Ooooh, nice! Have a complimentary nuclear secret!\"\n\"Dude, I just wanna know how to get to the pool.\"",
">\n\n\"He told me, 'Oh, take them home with you,'\" Giuliani said of Trump. \"I'm not going to take Wilbur Ross' tax returns home with me. I could misplace them!\"\n\"I — you know, I never, ever, ever, ever, ever, knowingly, and I never got caught — but I don't remember ever taking a doc,\" Giuliani added. He said he would place documents in a small safe at his desk in Mar-a-Lago to be worked on the next day.\nGiuliani also said top secret files are \"very, very strange the way they're put together\" and \"often are very small, but they contain a lot of information.\"",
">\n\nGiuliani sounds guilty as hell to me.",
">\n\n\nI never, ever ever ever ever\n\nWords of an innocent man I tell ya",
">\n\n\"and I never got caught\" lol",
">\n\nHe said the thing he wasn’t supposed to say out loud.",
">\n\nI believe at least two things are in play here.\n1st, and most importantly, Trump took those documents to sell nuclear secrets to the Saudis. I absolutely believe this happened.\nThe other is that Trump is a grandiose narcissistic braggart. He took those documents just so that he could brag to people that he has possession of TS documents.",
">\n\nIs there any reporting on the 1st assumption?",
">\n\nNothing that would stand up in court. Just circumstantial stuff as far as I know right now. There were apparently nuclear documents, but I don't know what type of information was in them, and we know about the Saudi involvement with Kushner and the golf tournament thing with Trump.",
">\n\nAh okay, just curious.",
">\n\nand Giuliani is the type that can't seem to keep his mouth shut lol",
">\n\nHe basically admitting that not only did people who shouldn't have seen them look at top secret documents but in all likelihood many of them brought them home.\nIf I was the FBI I'd bring this to the judge as probable cause to search half a dozen trump associate properties for top secret documents.",
">\n\nHe took documents home",
">\n\nAt least he never got caught.",
">\n\nI hear no one still knows about it!",
">\n\nEveryone knows people are saying that",
">\n\nRudy is trying to get paid for a 6 figure or maybe even 7 figure legal bill. So if he floats this idea at a time when the special prosecutor is tightening his noose he may get Trump to pay him. Birds of a feather. They truly deserve each other. Yuck!",
">\n\nSo who here thinks if Rudy is saying he didn't out of the cleat blue sky, someone should check it out?\nAlso... \"Vetting rich people?\" That is a really weird way of saying,\"picking cabinet members.\" That seems a little telling.",
">\n\nTranslation: \"Juicy Research to keep the person in line in case they think about turning\"",
">\n\nThis guy might be super stupid to confessing openly about this treason!",
">\n\nWorst case scenario he does 3-6 months in a privately operated prison for wealthy celebrities. He can admit to murder and offer evidence of it and it'd still be years before he served those 6 months",
">\n\nOur systems have totally failed us. Intelligence, DOJ and inmoral politicians who placed party and greed over country!",
">\n\n\nRudy Giuliani says Trump once told him to take top-secret documents home. Giuliani said the incident occurred just after Trump became president, when he was working at Mar-a-Lago. [emphasis mine]\n\nNot the least bit surprising.\nAlso wouldn't be surprising if it is ultimately discovered that Trump has been stealing classified documents and selling them to hostile foreign interests from the moment he first set foot in - and stained - the Oval Office w/his presence.\nI believe Trump's meetings w/Russian oligarchs, Putin, etc., where no U.S. press , or even a translator were allowed were tip offs, red flags that went ignored.",
">\n\nEver wonder why North Korea's Ballistic Missles started flying straighter and longer from the time after Trump started meeting with \"his favorite little dictator?\"",
">\n\nNo, you don't start to get empathy for what he told you to do. You did it, you complied, and you covered for it. You and all the other cronies should go right down with him. You don't get to come up later and point blame at him. You're just as despicable. Lock 'em all up!",
">\n\n\"Never got caught\"...yeah, he's totally innocent.",
">\n\nAlways figured Rudy would flip quickly.",
">\n\nNot to worry they were safely secured at the Four Seasons Total Landscaping in NE Philly"
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Republicans: Oh yeah! Well Champ advised Biden to take home Classified documents too!
|
[
"Did Rudy have security clearance to even view those documents?",
">\n\nNone of Trumps top advisors (including all his kids) could pass security clearance standards.",
">\n\nYet they held them :P. At least Kushner did.",
">\n\nThey all did, Kushner was the one who immediately rose suspection.",
">\n\nTrump had to personally step in to grant Kush his clearance because he kept getting caught lying on his application forms.",
">\n\nHow did he give him clearance, just thinking about it?",
">\n\nHe just had to say . \"You now have top secret clearance . \"",
">\n\nI didn't know that Jabba the Hutt had jedi mind powers...",
">\n\nCome on, even the most corrupt crimelord in a Galaxy Far, Far Away paid his subcontractors and ran an efficient criminal enterprise.\nTrump managed to bankrupt a casino, and I still have yet to truly understand how he failed a place that is designed to seperate people from their money. Aside from being so shitty no one would be seen there which sounds about on par for his 'brand'.",
">\n\n\nTrump managed to bankrupt a casino,\n\nthats not quite accurate\ni think it was 3 casinos at least.",
">\n\n\nGiuliani also said top secret files are \"very, very strange the way they're put together\" and \"often are very small, but they contain a lot of information.\"\n\nFor the love of god please please shut up.",
">\n\nTalking about the formatting of top secret docs is literally giving away classified information. How is this guy not in prison yet?",
">\n\nThat guy was president.., that’s why.\nRemember when a game show host ran for president?\nDo you remember thinking it was a complete joke? \nAnd then that pathetic liar and ruiner of lives actually won?\nThat’s why… \n…cuz half of this country “hated school”…and is also ironically still stuck in high school",
">\n\n\nhalf of this country “hated school”…and is also ironically still stuck in high school\n\nThis hits hard. While there's no simple explanation for what's happening, I feel this hits the nail on the head. So much I think many \"conservatives\" and \"centrists\" would agree.",
">\n\n\nGiuliani said he was at Mar-a-Lago, working on \"vetting\" some \"very rich\" people — specifically, going through their tax returns for Trump. \n\nUm what?",
">\n\nVery legal. Very cool.",
">\n\nI mean, it's so casual for them to be doing this that they are talking about it openly. So I guess this is how our government is run?",
">\n\nWell It's how Trump's government was run.",
">\n\nReferring to a government under a certain president’s term as their government is common practice. Things and the procedures by which they happen change drastically with the new leader nearly every time.\nThough, to your point, it has been the same shitstorm for a while now.\nPointless comment over and out. o7",
">\n\nWhat is the play here by Giuliani… what is he up to",
">\n\nTrump didn't pay him for his work promoting the big lie and trying to get the election overturned, so....",
">\n\nThey definitely have mutual dirt on each other going back decades.\nThe idiot almost said as much in public, saying that he had \"insurance.\"\nIt kind of explains the desperation. Not the idiocy, though.",
">\n\nBut I don’t see endless headlines to get Julie in any legal trouble. I wonder if this is an attempt to save his own ass through some deal.",
">\n\nI'm just very confused. Giuliani had no right to look at classified documents, let alone take them home. Now he said he never took any home, but did he even read them? Just cause he's the President's lawyer, that doesn't automatically give some clearance right?",
">\n\nI’ve never seen that and wish I hadn’t to be honest. So gross.",
">\n\nDid they hand out top secret documents in maralargo like some sort of goodie bag? \nLike here is a diet coke, cheesburger Maga hat and some top secret satellite photos of Iranian nuke sites.",
">\n\n\"What's your net worth? Ooooh, nice! Have a complimentary nuclear secret!\"\n\"Dude, I just wanna know how to get to the pool.\"",
">\n\n\"He told me, 'Oh, take them home with you,'\" Giuliani said of Trump. \"I'm not going to take Wilbur Ross' tax returns home with me. I could misplace them!\"\n\"I — you know, I never, ever, ever, ever, ever, knowingly, and I never got caught — but I don't remember ever taking a doc,\" Giuliani added. He said he would place documents in a small safe at his desk in Mar-a-Lago to be worked on the next day.\nGiuliani also said top secret files are \"very, very strange the way they're put together\" and \"often are very small, but they contain a lot of information.\"",
">\n\nGiuliani sounds guilty as hell to me.",
">\n\n\nI never, ever ever ever ever\n\nWords of an innocent man I tell ya",
">\n\n\"and I never got caught\" lol",
">\n\nHe said the thing he wasn’t supposed to say out loud.",
">\n\nI believe at least two things are in play here.\n1st, and most importantly, Trump took those documents to sell nuclear secrets to the Saudis. I absolutely believe this happened.\nThe other is that Trump is a grandiose narcissistic braggart. He took those documents just so that he could brag to people that he has possession of TS documents.",
">\n\nIs there any reporting on the 1st assumption?",
">\n\nNothing that would stand up in court. Just circumstantial stuff as far as I know right now. There were apparently nuclear documents, but I don't know what type of information was in them, and we know about the Saudi involvement with Kushner and the golf tournament thing with Trump.",
">\n\nAh okay, just curious.",
">\n\nand Giuliani is the type that can't seem to keep his mouth shut lol",
">\n\nHe basically admitting that not only did people who shouldn't have seen them look at top secret documents but in all likelihood many of them brought them home.\nIf I was the FBI I'd bring this to the judge as probable cause to search half a dozen trump associate properties for top secret documents.",
">\n\nHe took documents home",
">\n\nAt least he never got caught.",
">\n\nI hear no one still knows about it!",
">\n\nEveryone knows people are saying that",
">\n\nRudy is trying to get paid for a 6 figure or maybe even 7 figure legal bill. So if he floats this idea at a time when the special prosecutor is tightening his noose he may get Trump to pay him. Birds of a feather. They truly deserve each other. Yuck!",
">\n\nSo who here thinks if Rudy is saying he didn't out of the cleat blue sky, someone should check it out?\nAlso... \"Vetting rich people?\" That is a really weird way of saying,\"picking cabinet members.\" That seems a little telling.",
">\n\nTranslation: \"Juicy Research to keep the person in line in case they think about turning\"",
">\n\nThis guy might be super stupid to confessing openly about this treason!",
">\n\nWorst case scenario he does 3-6 months in a privately operated prison for wealthy celebrities. He can admit to murder and offer evidence of it and it'd still be years before he served those 6 months",
">\n\nOur systems have totally failed us. Intelligence, DOJ and inmoral politicians who placed party and greed over country!",
">\n\n\nRudy Giuliani says Trump once told him to take top-secret documents home. Giuliani said the incident occurred just after Trump became president, when he was working at Mar-a-Lago. [emphasis mine]\n\nNot the least bit surprising.\nAlso wouldn't be surprising if it is ultimately discovered that Trump has been stealing classified documents and selling them to hostile foreign interests from the moment he first set foot in - and stained - the Oval Office w/his presence.\nI believe Trump's meetings w/Russian oligarchs, Putin, etc., where no U.S. press , or even a translator were allowed were tip offs, red flags that went ignored.",
">\n\nEver wonder why North Korea's Ballistic Missles started flying straighter and longer from the time after Trump started meeting with \"his favorite little dictator?\"",
">\n\nNo, you don't start to get empathy for what he told you to do. You did it, you complied, and you covered for it. You and all the other cronies should go right down with him. You don't get to come up later and point blame at him. You're just as despicable. Lock 'em all up!",
">\n\n\"Never got caught\"...yeah, he's totally innocent.",
">\n\nAlways figured Rudy would flip quickly.",
">\n\nNot to worry they were safely secured at the Four Seasons Total Landscaping in NE Philly",
">\n\nnah... the SCIF is at the Dildo Emporium.\nDo you even Top Secret dude?"
] |
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some mondays i can identify the specific thing that pushed me into "i hate mondays" mode. today it's the re-realization that rudy giuliani had access to real government secrets. rudy cousin-fucking giuliani.
|
[
"Did Rudy have security clearance to even view those documents?",
">\n\nNone of Trumps top advisors (including all his kids) could pass security clearance standards.",
">\n\nYet they held them :P. At least Kushner did.",
">\n\nThey all did, Kushner was the one who immediately rose suspection.",
">\n\nTrump had to personally step in to grant Kush his clearance because he kept getting caught lying on his application forms.",
">\n\nHow did he give him clearance, just thinking about it?",
">\n\nHe just had to say . \"You now have top secret clearance . \"",
">\n\nI didn't know that Jabba the Hutt had jedi mind powers...",
">\n\nCome on, even the most corrupt crimelord in a Galaxy Far, Far Away paid his subcontractors and ran an efficient criminal enterprise.\nTrump managed to bankrupt a casino, and I still have yet to truly understand how he failed a place that is designed to seperate people from their money. Aside from being so shitty no one would be seen there which sounds about on par for his 'brand'.",
">\n\n\nTrump managed to bankrupt a casino,\n\nthats not quite accurate\ni think it was 3 casinos at least.",
">\n\n\nGiuliani also said top secret files are \"very, very strange the way they're put together\" and \"often are very small, but they contain a lot of information.\"\n\nFor the love of god please please shut up.",
">\n\nTalking about the formatting of top secret docs is literally giving away classified information. How is this guy not in prison yet?",
">\n\nThat guy was president.., that’s why.\nRemember when a game show host ran for president?\nDo you remember thinking it was a complete joke? \nAnd then that pathetic liar and ruiner of lives actually won?\nThat’s why… \n…cuz half of this country “hated school”…and is also ironically still stuck in high school",
">\n\n\nhalf of this country “hated school”…and is also ironically still stuck in high school\n\nThis hits hard. While there's no simple explanation for what's happening, I feel this hits the nail on the head. So much I think many \"conservatives\" and \"centrists\" would agree.",
">\n\n\nGiuliani said he was at Mar-a-Lago, working on \"vetting\" some \"very rich\" people — specifically, going through their tax returns for Trump. \n\nUm what?",
">\n\nVery legal. Very cool.",
">\n\nI mean, it's so casual for them to be doing this that they are talking about it openly. So I guess this is how our government is run?",
">\n\nWell It's how Trump's government was run.",
">\n\nReferring to a government under a certain president’s term as their government is common practice. Things and the procedures by which they happen change drastically with the new leader nearly every time.\nThough, to your point, it has been the same shitstorm for a while now.\nPointless comment over and out. o7",
">\n\nWhat is the play here by Giuliani… what is he up to",
">\n\nTrump didn't pay him for his work promoting the big lie and trying to get the election overturned, so....",
">\n\nThey definitely have mutual dirt on each other going back decades.\nThe idiot almost said as much in public, saying that he had \"insurance.\"\nIt kind of explains the desperation. Not the idiocy, though.",
">\n\nBut I don’t see endless headlines to get Julie in any legal trouble. I wonder if this is an attempt to save his own ass through some deal.",
">\n\nI'm just very confused. Giuliani had no right to look at classified documents, let alone take them home. Now he said he never took any home, but did he even read them? Just cause he's the President's lawyer, that doesn't automatically give some clearance right?",
">\n\nI’ve never seen that and wish I hadn’t to be honest. So gross.",
">\n\nDid they hand out top secret documents in maralargo like some sort of goodie bag? \nLike here is a diet coke, cheesburger Maga hat and some top secret satellite photos of Iranian nuke sites.",
">\n\n\"What's your net worth? Ooooh, nice! Have a complimentary nuclear secret!\"\n\"Dude, I just wanna know how to get to the pool.\"",
">\n\n\"He told me, 'Oh, take them home with you,'\" Giuliani said of Trump. \"I'm not going to take Wilbur Ross' tax returns home with me. I could misplace them!\"\n\"I — you know, I never, ever, ever, ever, ever, knowingly, and I never got caught — but I don't remember ever taking a doc,\" Giuliani added. He said he would place documents in a small safe at his desk in Mar-a-Lago to be worked on the next day.\nGiuliani also said top secret files are \"very, very strange the way they're put together\" and \"often are very small, but they contain a lot of information.\"",
">\n\nGiuliani sounds guilty as hell to me.",
">\n\n\nI never, ever ever ever ever\n\nWords of an innocent man I tell ya",
">\n\n\"and I never got caught\" lol",
">\n\nHe said the thing he wasn’t supposed to say out loud.",
">\n\nI believe at least two things are in play here.\n1st, and most importantly, Trump took those documents to sell nuclear secrets to the Saudis. I absolutely believe this happened.\nThe other is that Trump is a grandiose narcissistic braggart. He took those documents just so that he could brag to people that he has possession of TS documents.",
">\n\nIs there any reporting on the 1st assumption?",
">\n\nNothing that would stand up in court. Just circumstantial stuff as far as I know right now. There were apparently nuclear documents, but I don't know what type of information was in them, and we know about the Saudi involvement with Kushner and the golf tournament thing with Trump.",
">\n\nAh okay, just curious.",
">\n\nand Giuliani is the type that can't seem to keep his mouth shut lol",
">\n\nHe basically admitting that not only did people who shouldn't have seen them look at top secret documents but in all likelihood many of them brought them home.\nIf I was the FBI I'd bring this to the judge as probable cause to search half a dozen trump associate properties for top secret documents.",
">\n\nHe took documents home",
">\n\nAt least he never got caught.",
">\n\nI hear no one still knows about it!",
">\n\nEveryone knows people are saying that",
">\n\nRudy is trying to get paid for a 6 figure or maybe even 7 figure legal bill. So if he floats this idea at a time when the special prosecutor is tightening his noose he may get Trump to pay him. Birds of a feather. They truly deserve each other. Yuck!",
">\n\nSo who here thinks if Rudy is saying he didn't out of the cleat blue sky, someone should check it out?\nAlso... \"Vetting rich people?\" That is a really weird way of saying,\"picking cabinet members.\" That seems a little telling.",
">\n\nTranslation: \"Juicy Research to keep the person in line in case they think about turning\"",
">\n\nThis guy might be super stupid to confessing openly about this treason!",
">\n\nWorst case scenario he does 3-6 months in a privately operated prison for wealthy celebrities. He can admit to murder and offer evidence of it and it'd still be years before he served those 6 months",
">\n\nOur systems have totally failed us. Intelligence, DOJ and inmoral politicians who placed party and greed over country!",
">\n\n\nRudy Giuliani says Trump once told him to take top-secret documents home. Giuliani said the incident occurred just after Trump became president, when he was working at Mar-a-Lago. [emphasis mine]\n\nNot the least bit surprising.\nAlso wouldn't be surprising if it is ultimately discovered that Trump has been stealing classified documents and selling them to hostile foreign interests from the moment he first set foot in - and stained - the Oval Office w/his presence.\nI believe Trump's meetings w/Russian oligarchs, Putin, etc., where no U.S. press , or even a translator were allowed were tip offs, red flags that went ignored.",
">\n\nEver wonder why North Korea's Ballistic Missles started flying straighter and longer from the time after Trump started meeting with \"his favorite little dictator?\"",
">\n\nNo, you don't start to get empathy for what he told you to do. You did it, you complied, and you covered for it. You and all the other cronies should go right down with him. You don't get to come up later and point blame at him. You're just as despicable. Lock 'em all up!",
">\n\n\"Never got caught\"...yeah, he's totally innocent.",
">\n\nAlways figured Rudy would flip quickly.",
">\n\nNot to worry they were safely secured at the Four Seasons Total Landscaping in NE Philly",
">\n\nnah... the SCIF is at the Dildo Emporium.\nDo you even Top Secret dude?",
">\n\nRepublicans: Oh yeah! Well Champ advised Biden to take home Classified documents too!"
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He is a lawyer. He cannot plead ignorance on matters of law.
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[
"Did Rudy have security clearance to even view those documents?",
">\n\nNone of Trumps top advisors (including all his kids) could pass security clearance standards.",
">\n\nYet they held them :P. At least Kushner did.",
">\n\nThey all did, Kushner was the one who immediately rose suspection.",
">\n\nTrump had to personally step in to grant Kush his clearance because he kept getting caught lying on his application forms.",
">\n\nHow did he give him clearance, just thinking about it?",
">\n\nHe just had to say . \"You now have top secret clearance . \"",
">\n\nI didn't know that Jabba the Hutt had jedi mind powers...",
">\n\nCome on, even the most corrupt crimelord in a Galaxy Far, Far Away paid his subcontractors and ran an efficient criminal enterprise.\nTrump managed to bankrupt a casino, and I still have yet to truly understand how he failed a place that is designed to seperate people from their money. Aside from being so shitty no one would be seen there which sounds about on par for his 'brand'.",
">\n\n\nTrump managed to bankrupt a casino,\n\nthats not quite accurate\ni think it was 3 casinos at least.",
">\n\n\nGiuliani also said top secret files are \"very, very strange the way they're put together\" and \"often are very small, but they contain a lot of information.\"\n\nFor the love of god please please shut up.",
">\n\nTalking about the formatting of top secret docs is literally giving away classified information. How is this guy not in prison yet?",
">\n\nThat guy was president.., that’s why.\nRemember when a game show host ran for president?\nDo you remember thinking it was a complete joke? \nAnd then that pathetic liar and ruiner of lives actually won?\nThat’s why… \n…cuz half of this country “hated school”…and is also ironically still stuck in high school",
">\n\n\nhalf of this country “hated school”…and is also ironically still stuck in high school\n\nThis hits hard. While there's no simple explanation for what's happening, I feel this hits the nail on the head. So much I think many \"conservatives\" and \"centrists\" would agree.",
">\n\n\nGiuliani said he was at Mar-a-Lago, working on \"vetting\" some \"very rich\" people — specifically, going through their tax returns for Trump. \n\nUm what?",
">\n\nVery legal. Very cool.",
">\n\nI mean, it's so casual for them to be doing this that they are talking about it openly. So I guess this is how our government is run?",
">\n\nWell It's how Trump's government was run.",
">\n\nReferring to a government under a certain president’s term as their government is common practice. Things and the procedures by which they happen change drastically with the new leader nearly every time.\nThough, to your point, it has been the same shitstorm for a while now.\nPointless comment over and out. o7",
">\n\nWhat is the play here by Giuliani… what is he up to",
">\n\nTrump didn't pay him for his work promoting the big lie and trying to get the election overturned, so....",
">\n\nThey definitely have mutual dirt on each other going back decades.\nThe idiot almost said as much in public, saying that he had \"insurance.\"\nIt kind of explains the desperation. Not the idiocy, though.",
">\n\nBut I don’t see endless headlines to get Julie in any legal trouble. I wonder if this is an attempt to save his own ass through some deal.",
">\n\nI'm just very confused. Giuliani had no right to look at classified documents, let alone take them home. Now he said he never took any home, but did he even read them? Just cause he's the President's lawyer, that doesn't automatically give some clearance right?",
">\n\nI’ve never seen that and wish I hadn’t to be honest. So gross.",
">\n\nDid they hand out top secret documents in maralargo like some sort of goodie bag? \nLike here is a diet coke, cheesburger Maga hat and some top secret satellite photos of Iranian nuke sites.",
">\n\n\"What's your net worth? Ooooh, nice! Have a complimentary nuclear secret!\"\n\"Dude, I just wanna know how to get to the pool.\"",
">\n\n\"He told me, 'Oh, take them home with you,'\" Giuliani said of Trump. \"I'm not going to take Wilbur Ross' tax returns home with me. I could misplace them!\"\n\"I — you know, I never, ever, ever, ever, ever, knowingly, and I never got caught — but I don't remember ever taking a doc,\" Giuliani added. He said he would place documents in a small safe at his desk in Mar-a-Lago to be worked on the next day.\nGiuliani also said top secret files are \"very, very strange the way they're put together\" and \"often are very small, but they contain a lot of information.\"",
">\n\nGiuliani sounds guilty as hell to me.",
">\n\n\nI never, ever ever ever ever\n\nWords of an innocent man I tell ya",
">\n\n\"and I never got caught\" lol",
">\n\nHe said the thing he wasn’t supposed to say out loud.",
">\n\nI believe at least two things are in play here.\n1st, and most importantly, Trump took those documents to sell nuclear secrets to the Saudis. I absolutely believe this happened.\nThe other is that Trump is a grandiose narcissistic braggart. He took those documents just so that he could brag to people that he has possession of TS documents.",
">\n\nIs there any reporting on the 1st assumption?",
">\n\nNothing that would stand up in court. Just circumstantial stuff as far as I know right now. There were apparently nuclear documents, but I don't know what type of information was in them, and we know about the Saudi involvement with Kushner and the golf tournament thing with Trump.",
">\n\nAh okay, just curious.",
">\n\nand Giuliani is the type that can't seem to keep his mouth shut lol",
">\n\nHe basically admitting that not only did people who shouldn't have seen them look at top secret documents but in all likelihood many of them brought them home.\nIf I was the FBI I'd bring this to the judge as probable cause to search half a dozen trump associate properties for top secret documents.",
">\n\nHe took documents home",
">\n\nAt least he never got caught.",
">\n\nI hear no one still knows about it!",
">\n\nEveryone knows people are saying that",
">\n\nRudy is trying to get paid for a 6 figure or maybe even 7 figure legal bill. So if he floats this idea at a time when the special prosecutor is tightening his noose he may get Trump to pay him. Birds of a feather. They truly deserve each other. Yuck!",
">\n\nSo who here thinks if Rudy is saying he didn't out of the cleat blue sky, someone should check it out?\nAlso... \"Vetting rich people?\" That is a really weird way of saying,\"picking cabinet members.\" That seems a little telling.",
">\n\nTranslation: \"Juicy Research to keep the person in line in case they think about turning\"",
">\n\nThis guy might be super stupid to confessing openly about this treason!",
">\n\nWorst case scenario he does 3-6 months in a privately operated prison for wealthy celebrities. He can admit to murder and offer evidence of it and it'd still be years before he served those 6 months",
">\n\nOur systems have totally failed us. Intelligence, DOJ and inmoral politicians who placed party and greed over country!",
">\n\n\nRudy Giuliani says Trump once told him to take top-secret documents home. Giuliani said the incident occurred just after Trump became president, when he was working at Mar-a-Lago. [emphasis mine]\n\nNot the least bit surprising.\nAlso wouldn't be surprising if it is ultimately discovered that Trump has been stealing classified documents and selling them to hostile foreign interests from the moment he first set foot in - and stained - the Oval Office w/his presence.\nI believe Trump's meetings w/Russian oligarchs, Putin, etc., where no U.S. press , or even a translator were allowed were tip offs, red flags that went ignored.",
">\n\nEver wonder why North Korea's Ballistic Missles started flying straighter and longer from the time after Trump started meeting with \"his favorite little dictator?\"",
">\n\nNo, you don't start to get empathy for what he told you to do. You did it, you complied, and you covered for it. You and all the other cronies should go right down with him. You don't get to come up later and point blame at him. You're just as despicable. Lock 'em all up!",
">\n\n\"Never got caught\"...yeah, he's totally innocent.",
">\n\nAlways figured Rudy would flip quickly.",
">\n\nNot to worry they were safely secured at the Four Seasons Total Landscaping in NE Philly",
">\n\nnah... the SCIF is at the Dildo Emporium.\nDo you even Top Secret dude?",
">\n\nRepublicans: Oh yeah! Well Champ advised Biden to take home Classified documents too!",
">\n\nsome mondays i can identify the specific thing that pushed me into \"i hate mondays\" mode. today it's the re-realization that rudy giuliani had access to real government secrets. rudy cousin-fucking giuliani."
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Pleading ignorance doesn’t work for anyone. If it did, Trump would be home free.
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[
"Did Rudy have security clearance to even view those documents?",
">\n\nNone of Trumps top advisors (including all his kids) could pass security clearance standards.",
">\n\nYet they held them :P. At least Kushner did.",
">\n\nThey all did, Kushner was the one who immediately rose suspection.",
">\n\nTrump had to personally step in to grant Kush his clearance because he kept getting caught lying on his application forms.",
">\n\nHow did he give him clearance, just thinking about it?",
">\n\nHe just had to say . \"You now have top secret clearance . \"",
">\n\nI didn't know that Jabba the Hutt had jedi mind powers...",
">\n\nCome on, even the most corrupt crimelord in a Galaxy Far, Far Away paid his subcontractors and ran an efficient criminal enterprise.\nTrump managed to bankrupt a casino, and I still have yet to truly understand how he failed a place that is designed to seperate people from their money. Aside from being so shitty no one would be seen there which sounds about on par for his 'brand'.",
">\n\n\nTrump managed to bankrupt a casino,\n\nthats not quite accurate\ni think it was 3 casinos at least.",
">\n\n\nGiuliani also said top secret files are \"very, very strange the way they're put together\" and \"often are very small, but they contain a lot of information.\"\n\nFor the love of god please please shut up.",
">\n\nTalking about the formatting of top secret docs is literally giving away classified information. How is this guy not in prison yet?",
">\n\nThat guy was president.., that’s why.\nRemember when a game show host ran for president?\nDo you remember thinking it was a complete joke? \nAnd then that pathetic liar and ruiner of lives actually won?\nThat’s why… \n…cuz half of this country “hated school”…and is also ironically still stuck in high school",
">\n\n\nhalf of this country “hated school”…and is also ironically still stuck in high school\n\nThis hits hard. While there's no simple explanation for what's happening, I feel this hits the nail on the head. So much I think many \"conservatives\" and \"centrists\" would agree.",
">\n\n\nGiuliani said he was at Mar-a-Lago, working on \"vetting\" some \"very rich\" people — specifically, going through their tax returns for Trump. \n\nUm what?",
">\n\nVery legal. Very cool.",
">\n\nI mean, it's so casual for them to be doing this that they are talking about it openly. So I guess this is how our government is run?",
">\n\nWell It's how Trump's government was run.",
">\n\nReferring to a government under a certain president’s term as their government is common practice. Things and the procedures by which they happen change drastically with the new leader nearly every time.\nThough, to your point, it has been the same shitstorm for a while now.\nPointless comment over and out. o7",
">\n\nWhat is the play here by Giuliani… what is he up to",
">\n\nTrump didn't pay him for his work promoting the big lie and trying to get the election overturned, so....",
">\n\nThey definitely have mutual dirt on each other going back decades.\nThe idiot almost said as much in public, saying that he had \"insurance.\"\nIt kind of explains the desperation. Not the idiocy, though.",
">\n\nBut I don’t see endless headlines to get Julie in any legal trouble. I wonder if this is an attempt to save his own ass through some deal.",
">\n\nI'm just very confused. Giuliani had no right to look at classified documents, let alone take them home. Now he said he never took any home, but did he even read them? Just cause he's the President's lawyer, that doesn't automatically give some clearance right?",
">\n\nI’ve never seen that and wish I hadn’t to be honest. So gross.",
">\n\nDid they hand out top secret documents in maralargo like some sort of goodie bag? \nLike here is a diet coke, cheesburger Maga hat and some top secret satellite photos of Iranian nuke sites.",
">\n\n\"What's your net worth? Ooooh, nice! Have a complimentary nuclear secret!\"\n\"Dude, I just wanna know how to get to the pool.\"",
">\n\n\"He told me, 'Oh, take them home with you,'\" Giuliani said of Trump. \"I'm not going to take Wilbur Ross' tax returns home with me. I could misplace them!\"\n\"I — you know, I never, ever, ever, ever, ever, knowingly, and I never got caught — but I don't remember ever taking a doc,\" Giuliani added. He said he would place documents in a small safe at his desk in Mar-a-Lago to be worked on the next day.\nGiuliani also said top secret files are \"very, very strange the way they're put together\" and \"often are very small, but they contain a lot of information.\"",
">\n\nGiuliani sounds guilty as hell to me.",
">\n\n\nI never, ever ever ever ever\n\nWords of an innocent man I tell ya",
">\n\n\"and I never got caught\" lol",
">\n\nHe said the thing he wasn’t supposed to say out loud.",
">\n\nI believe at least two things are in play here.\n1st, and most importantly, Trump took those documents to sell nuclear secrets to the Saudis. I absolutely believe this happened.\nThe other is that Trump is a grandiose narcissistic braggart. He took those documents just so that he could brag to people that he has possession of TS documents.",
">\n\nIs there any reporting on the 1st assumption?",
">\n\nNothing that would stand up in court. Just circumstantial stuff as far as I know right now. There were apparently nuclear documents, but I don't know what type of information was in them, and we know about the Saudi involvement with Kushner and the golf tournament thing with Trump.",
">\n\nAh okay, just curious.",
">\n\nand Giuliani is the type that can't seem to keep his mouth shut lol",
">\n\nHe basically admitting that not only did people who shouldn't have seen them look at top secret documents but in all likelihood many of them brought them home.\nIf I was the FBI I'd bring this to the judge as probable cause to search half a dozen trump associate properties for top secret documents.",
">\n\nHe took documents home",
">\n\nAt least he never got caught.",
">\n\nI hear no one still knows about it!",
">\n\nEveryone knows people are saying that",
">\n\nRudy is trying to get paid for a 6 figure or maybe even 7 figure legal bill. So if he floats this idea at a time when the special prosecutor is tightening his noose he may get Trump to pay him. Birds of a feather. They truly deserve each other. Yuck!",
">\n\nSo who here thinks if Rudy is saying he didn't out of the cleat blue sky, someone should check it out?\nAlso... \"Vetting rich people?\" That is a really weird way of saying,\"picking cabinet members.\" That seems a little telling.",
">\n\nTranslation: \"Juicy Research to keep the person in line in case they think about turning\"",
">\n\nThis guy might be super stupid to confessing openly about this treason!",
">\n\nWorst case scenario he does 3-6 months in a privately operated prison for wealthy celebrities. He can admit to murder and offer evidence of it and it'd still be years before he served those 6 months",
">\n\nOur systems have totally failed us. Intelligence, DOJ and inmoral politicians who placed party and greed over country!",
">\n\n\nRudy Giuliani says Trump once told him to take top-secret documents home. Giuliani said the incident occurred just after Trump became president, when he was working at Mar-a-Lago. [emphasis mine]\n\nNot the least bit surprising.\nAlso wouldn't be surprising if it is ultimately discovered that Trump has been stealing classified documents and selling them to hostile foreign interests from the moment he first set foot in - and stained - the Oval Office w/his presence.\nI believe Trump's meetings w/Russian oligarchs, Putin, etc., where no U.S. press , or even a translator were allowed were tip offs, red flags that went ignored.",
">\n\nEver wonder why North Korea's Ballistic Missles started flying straighter and longer from the time after Trump started meeting with \"his favorite little dictator?\"",
">\n\nNo, you don't start to get empathy for what he told you to do. You did it, you complied, and you covered for it. You and all the other cronies should go right down with him. You don't get to come up later and point blame at him. You're just as despicable. Lock 'em all up!",
">\n\n\"Never got caught\"...yeah, he's totally innocent.",
">\n\nAlways figured Rudy would flip quickly.",
">\n\nNot to worry they were safely secured at the Four Seasons Total Landscaping in NE Philly",
">\n\nnah... the SCIF is at the Dildo Emporium.\nDo you even Top Secret dude?",
">\n\nRepublicans: Oh yeah! Well Champ advised Biden to take home Classified documents too!",
">\n\nsome mondays i can identify the specific thing that pushed me into \"i hate mondays\" mode. today it's the re-realization that rudy giuliani had access to real government secrets. rudy cousin-fucking giuliani.",
">\n\nHe is a lawyer. He cannot plead ignorance on matters of law."
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Trump is home free.
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[
"Did Rudy have security clearance to even view those documents?",
">\n\nNone of Trumps top advisors (including all his kids) could pass security clearance standards.",
">\n\nYet they held them :P. At least Kushner did.",
">\n\nThey all did, Kushner was the one who immediately rose suspection.",
">\n\nTrump had to personally step in to grant Kush his clearance because he kept getting caught lying on his application forms.",
">\n\nHow did he give him clearance, just thinking about it?",
">\n\nHe just had to say . \"You now have top secret clearance . \"",
">\n\nI didn't know that Jabba the Hutt had jedi mind powers...",
">\n\nCome on, even the most corrupt crimelord in a Galaxy Far, Far Away paid his subcontractors and ran an efficient criminal enterprise.\nTrump managed to bankrupt a casino, and I still have yet to truly understand how he failed a place that is designed to seperate people from their money. Aside from being so shitty no one would be seen there which sounds about on par for his 'brand'.",
">\n\n\nTrump managed to bankrupt a casino,\n\nthats not quite accurate\ni think it was 3 casinos at least.",
">\n\n\nGiuliani also said top secret files are \"very, very strange the way they're put together\" and \"often are very small, but they contain a lot of information.\"\n\nFor the love of god please please shut up.",
">\n\nTalking about the formatting of top secret docs is literally giving away classified information. How is this guy not in prison yet?",
">\n\nThat guy was president.., that’s why.\nRemember when a game show host ran for president?\nDo you remember thinking it was a complete joke? \nAnd then that pathetic liar and ruiner of lives actually won?\nThat’s why… \n…cuz half of this country “hated school”…and is also ironically still stuck in high school",
">\n\n\nhalf of this country “hated school”…and is also ironically still stuck in high school\n\nThis hits hard. While there's no simple explanation for what's happening, I feel this hits the nail on the head. So much I think many \"conservatives\" and \"centrists\" would agree.",
">\n\n\nGiuliani said he was at Mar-a-Lago, working on \"vetting\" some \"very rich\" people — specifically, going through their tax returns for Trump. \n\nUm what?",
">\n\nVery legal. Very cool.",
">\n\nI mean, it's so casual for them to be doing this that they are talking about it openly. So I guess this is how our government is run?",
">\n\nWell It's how Trump's government was run.",
">\n\nReferring to a government under a certain president’s term as their government is common practice. Things and the procedures by which they happen change drastically with the new leader nearly every time.\nThough, to your point, it has been the same shitstorm for a while now.\nPointless comment over and out. o7",
">\n\nWhat is the play here by Giuliani… what is he up to",
">\n\nTrump didn't pay him for his work promoting the big lie and trying to get the election overturned, so....",
">\n\nThey definitely have mutual dirt on each other going back decades.\nThe idiot almost said as much in public, saying that he had \"insurance.\"\nIt kind of explains the desperation. Not the idiocy, though.",
">\n\nBut I don’t see endless headlines to get Julie in any legal trouble. I wonder if this is an attempt to save his own ass through some deal.",
">\n\nI'm just very confused. Giuliani had no right to look at classified documents, let alone take them home. Now he said he never took any home, but did he even read them? Just cause he's the President's lawyer, that doesn't automatically give some clearance right?",
">\n\nI’ve never seen that and wish I hadn’t to be honest. So gross.",
">\n\nDid they hand out top secret documents in maralargo like some sort of goodie bag? \nLike here is a diet coke, cheesburger Maga hat and some top secret satellite photos of Iranian nuke sites.",
">\n\n\"What's your net worth? Ooooh, nice! Have a complimentary nuclear secret!\"\n\"Dude, I just wanna know how to get to the pool.\"",
">\n\n\"He told me, 'Oh, take them home with you,'\" Giuliani said of Trump. \"I'm not going to take Wilbur Ross' tax returns home with me. I could misplace them!\"\n\"I — you know, I never, ever, ever, ever, ever, knowingly, and I never got caught — but I don't remember ever taking a doc,\" Giuliani added. He said he would place documents in a small safe at his desk in Mar-a-Lago to be worked on the next day.\nGiuliani also said top secret files are \"very, very strange the way they're put together\" and \"often are very small, but they contain a lot of information.\"",
">\n\nGiuliani sounds guilty as hell to me.",
">\n\n\nI never, ever ever ever ever\n\nWords of an innocent man I tell ya",
">\n\n\"and I never got caught\" lol",
">\n\nHe said the thing he wasn’t supposed to say out loud.",
">\n\nI believe at least two things are in play here.\n1st, and most importantly, Trump took those documents to sell nuclear secrets to the Saudis. I absolutely believe this happened.\nThe other is that Trump is a grandiose narcissistic braggart. He took those documents just so that he could brag to people that he has possession of TS documents.",
">\n\nIs there any reporting on the 1st assumption?",
">\n\nNothing that would stand up in court. Just circumstantial stuff as far as I know right now. There were apparently nuclear documents, but I don't know what type of information was in them, and we know about the Saudi involvement with Kushner and the golf tournament thing with Trump.",
">\n\nAh okay, just curious.",
">\n\nand Giuliani is the type that can't seem to keep his mouth shut lol",
">\n\nHe basically admitting that not only did people who shouldn't have seen them look at top secret documents but in all likelihood many of them brought them home.\nIf I was the FBI I'd bring this to the judge as probable cause to search half a dozen trump associate properties for top secret documents.",
">\n\nHe took documents home",
">\n\nAt least he never got caught.",
">\n\nI hear no one still knows about it!",
">\n\nEveryone knows people are saying that",
">\n\nRudy is trying to get paid for a 6 figure or maybe even 7 figure legal bill. So if he floats this idea at a time when the special prosecutor is tightening his noose he may get Trump to pay him. Birds of a feather. They truly deserve each other. Yuck!",
">\n\nSo who here thinks if Rudy is saying he didn't out of the cleat blue sky, someone should check it out?\nAlso... \"Vetting rich people?\" That is a really weird way of saying,\"picking cabinet members.\" That seems a little telling.",
">\n\nTranslation: \"Juicy Research to keep the person in line in case they think about turning\"",
">\n\nThis guy might be super stupid to confessing openly about this treason!",
">\n\nWorst case scenario he does 3-6 months in a privately operated prison for wealthy celebrities. He can admit to murder and offer evidence of it and it'd still be years before he served those 6 months",
">\n\nOur systems have totally failed us. Intelligence, DOJ and inmoral politicians who placed party and greed over country!",
">\n\n\nRudy Giuliani says Trump once told him to take top-secret documents home. Giuliani said the incident occurred just after Trump became president, when he was working at Mar-a-Lago. [emphasis mine]\n\nNot the least bit surprising.\nAlso wouldn't be surprising if it is ultimately discovered that Trump has been stealing classified documents and selling them to hostile foreign interests from the moment he first set foot in - and stained - the Oval Office w/his presence.\nI believe Trump's meetings w/Russian oligarchs, Putin, etc., where no U.S. press , or even a translator were allowed were tip offs, red flags that went ignored.",
">\n\nEver wonder why North Korea's Ballistic Missles started flying straighter and longer from the time after Trump started meeting with \"his favorite little dictator?\"",
">\n\nNo, you don't start to get empathy for what he told you to do. You did it, you complied, and you covered for it. You and all the other cronies should go right down with him. You don't get to come up later and point blame at him. You're just as despicable. Lock 'em all up!",
">\n\n\"Never got caught\"...yeah, he's totally innocent.",
">\n\nAlways figured Rudy would flip quickly.",
">\n\nNot to worry they were safely secured at the Four Seasons Total Landscaping in NE Philly",
">\n\nnah... the SCIF is at the Dildo Emporium.\nDo you even Top Secret dude?",
">\n\nRepublicans: Oh yeah! Well Champ advised Biden to take home Classified documents too!",
">\n\nsome mondays i can identify the specific thing that pushed me into \"i hate mondays\" mode. today it's the re-realization that rudy giuliani had access to real government secrets. rudy cousin-fucking giuliani.",
">\n\nHe is a lawyer. He cannot plead ignorance on matters of law.",
">\n\nPleading ignorance doesn’t work for anyone. If it did, Trump would be home free."
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>
I have a hypothesis that Giuliani went after the Italian and Irish mafia in NYC to make way for the Russian mafia.
|
[
"Did Rudy have security clearance to even view those documents?",
">\n\nNone of Trumps top advisors (including all his kids) could pass security clearance standards.",
">\n\nYet they held them :P. At least Kushner did.",
">\n\nThey all did, Kushner was the one who immediately rose suspection.",
">\n\nTrump had to personally step in to grant Kush his clearance because he kept getting caught lying on his application forms.",
">\n\nHow did he give him clearance, just thinking about it?",
">\n\nHe just had to say . \"You now have top secret clearance . \"",
">\n\nI didn't know that Jabba the Hutt had jedi mind powers...",
">\n\nCome on, even the most corrupt crimelord in a Galaxy Far, Far Away paid his subcontractors and ran an efficient criminal enterprise.\nTrump managed to bankrupt a casino, and I still have yet to truly understand how he failed a place that is designed to seperate people from their money. Aside from being so shitty no one would be seen there which sounds about on par for his 'brand'.",
">\n\n\nTrump managed to bankrupt a casino,\n\nthats not quite accurate\ni think it was 3 casinos at least.",
">\n\n\nGiuliani also said top secret files are \"very, very strange the way they're put together\" and \"often are very small, but they contain a lot of information.\"\n\nFor the love of god please please shut up.",
">\n\nTalking about the formatting of top secret docs is literally giving away classified information. How is this guy not in prison yet?",
">\n\nThat guy was president.., that’s why.\nRemember when a game show host ran for president?\nDo you remember thinking it was a complete joke? \nAnd then that pathetic liar and ruiner of lives actually won?\nThat’s why… \n…cuz half of this country “hated school”…and is also ironically still stuck in high school",
">\n\n\nhalf of this country “hated school”…and is also ironically still stuck in high school\n\nThis hits hard. While there's no simple explanation for what's happening, I feel this hits the nail on the head. So much I think many \"conservatives\" and \"centrists\" would agree.",
">\n\n\nGiuliani said he was at Mar-a-Lago, working on \"vetting\" some \"very rich\" people — specifically, going through their tax returns for Trump. \n\nUm what?",
">\n\nVery legal. Very cool.",
">\n\nI mean, it's so casual for them to be doing this that they are talking about it openly. So I guess this is how our government is run?",
">\n\nWell It's how Trump's government was run.",
">\n\nReferring to a government under a certain president’s term as their government is common practice. Things and the procedures by which they happen change drastically with the new leader nearly every time.\nThough, to your point, it has been the same shitstorm for a while now.\nPointless comment over and out. o7",
">\n\nWhat is the play here by Giuliani… what is he up to",
">\n\nTrump didn't pay him for his work promoting the big lie and trying to get the election overturned, so....",
">\n\nThey definitely have mutual dirt on each other going back decades.\nThe idiot almost said as much in public, saying that he had \"insurance.\"\nIt kind of explains the desperation. Not the idiocy, though.",
">\n\nBut I don’t see endless headlines to get Julie in any legal trouble. I wonder if this is an attempt to save his own ass through some deal.",
">\n\nI'm just very confused. Giuliani had no right to look at classified documents, let alone take them home. Now he said he never took any home, but did he even read them? Just cause he's the President's lawyer, that doesn't automatically give some clearance right?",
">\n\nI’ve never seen that and wish I hadn’t to be honest. So gross.",
">\n\nDid they hand out top secret documents in maralargo like some sort of goodie bag? \nLike here is a diet coke, cheesburger Maga hat and some top secret satellite photos of Iranian nuke sites.",
">\n\n\"What's your net worth? Ooooh, nice! Have a complimentary nuclear secret!\"\n\"Dude, I just wanna know how to get to the pool.\"",
">\n\n\"He told me, 'Oh, take them home with you,'\" Giuliani said of Trump. \"I'm not going to take Wilbur Ross' tax returns home with me. I could misplace them!\"\n\"I — you know, I never, ever, ever, ever, ever, knowingly, and I never got caught — but I don't remember ever taking a doc,\" Giuliani added. He said he would place documents in a small safe at his desk in Mar-a-Lago to be worked on the next day.\nGiuliani also said top secret files are \"very, very strange the way they're put together\" and \"often are very small, but they contain a lot of information.\"",
">\n\nGiuliani sounds guilty as hell to me.",
">\n\n\nI never, ever ever ever ever\n\nWords of an innocent man I tell ya",
">\n\n\"and I never got caught\" lol",
">\n\nHe said the thing he wasn’t supposed to say out loud.",
">\n\nI believe at least two things are in play here.\n1st, and most importantly, Trump took those documents to sell nuclear secrets to the Saudis. I absolutely believe this happened.\nThe other is that Trump is a grandiose narcissistic braggart. He took those documents just so that he could brag to people that he has possession of TS documents.",
">\n\nIs there any reporting on the 1st assumption?",
">\n\nNothing that would stand up in court. Just circumstantial stuff as far as I know right now. There were apparently nuclear documents, but I don't know what type of information was in them, and we know about the Saudi involvement with Kushner and the golf tournament thing with Trump.",
">\n\nAh okay, just curious.",
">\n\nand Giuliani is the type that can't seem to keep his mouth shut lol",
">\n\nHe basically admitting that not only did people who shouldn't have seen them look at top secret documents but in all likelihood many of them brought them home.\nIf I was the FBI I'd bring this to the judge as probable cause to search half a dozen trump associate properties for top secret documents.",
">\n\nHe took documents home",
">\n\nAt least he never got caught.",
">\n\nI hear no one still knows about it!",
">\n\nEveryone knows people are saying that",
">\n\nRudy is trying to get paid for a 6 figure or maybe even 7 figure legal bill. So if he floats this idea at a time when the special prosecutor is tightening his noose he may get Trump to pay him. Birds of a feather. They truly deserve each other. Yuck!",
">\n\nSo who here thinks if Rudy is saying he didn't out of the cleat blue sky, someone should check it out?\nAlso... \"Vetting rich people?\" That is a really weird way of saying,\"picking cabinet members.\" That seems a little telling.",
">\n\nTranslation: \"Juicy Research to keep the person in line in case they think about turning\"",
">\n\nThis guy might be super stupid to confessing openly about this treason!",
">\n\nWorst case scenario he does 3-6 months in a privately operated prison for wealthy celebrities. He can admit to murder and offer evidence of it and it'd still be years before he served those 6 months",
">\n\nOur systems have totally failed us. Intelligence, DOJ and inmoral politicians who placed party and greed over country!",
">\n\n\nRudy Giuliani says Trump once told him to take top-secret documents home. Giuliani said the incident occurred just after Trump became president, when he was working at Mar-a-Lago. [emphasis mine]\n\nNot the least bit surprising.\nAlso wouldn't be surprising if it is ultimately discovered that Trump has been stealing classified documents and selling them to hostile foreign interests from the moment he first set foot in - and stained - the Oval Office w/his presence.\nI believe Trump's meetings w/Russian oligarchs, Putin, etc., where no U.S. press , or even a translator were allowed were tip offs, red flags that went ignored.",
">\n\nEver wonder why North Korea's Ballistic Missles started flying straighter and longer from the time after Trump started meeting with \"his favorite little dictator?\"",
">\n\nNo, you don't start to get empathy for what he told you to do. You did it, you complied, and you covered for it. You and all the other cronies should go right down with him. You don't get to come up later and point blame at him. You're just as despicable. Lock 'em all up!",
">\n\n\"Never got caught\"...yeah, he's totally innocent.",
">\n\nAlways figured Rudy would flip quickly.",
">\n\nNot to worry they were safely secured at the Four Seasons Total Landscaping in NE Philly",
">\n\nnah... the SCIF is at the Dildo Emporium.\nDo you even Top Secret dude?",
">\n\nRepublicans: Oh yeah! Well Champ advised Biden to take home Classified documents too!",
">\n\nsome mondays i can identify the specific thing that pushed me into \"i hate mondays\" mode. today it's the re-realization that rudy giuliani had access to real government secrets. rudy cousin-fucking giuliani.",
">\n\nHe is a lawyer. He cannot plead ignorance on matters of law.",
">\n\nPleading ignorance doesn’t work for anyone. If it did, Trump would be home free.",
">\n\nTrump is home free."
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Sounds possible. The timing is perfect.
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[
"Did Rudy have security clearance to even view those documents?",
">\n\nNone of Trumps top advisors (including all his kids) could pass security clearance standards.",
">\n\nYet they held them :P. At least Kushner did.",
">\n\nThey all did, Kushner was the one who immediately rose suspection.",
">\n\nTrump had to personally step in to grant Kush his clearance because he kept getting caught lying on his application forms.",
">\n\nHow did he give him clearance, just thinking about it?",
">\n\nHe just had to say . \"You now have top secret clearance . \"",
">\n\nI didn't know that Jabba the Hutt had jedi mind powers...",
">\n\nCome on, even the most corrupt crimelord in a Galaxy Far, Far Away paid his subcontractors and ran an efficient criminal enterprise.\nTrump managed to bankrupt a casino, and I still have yet to truly understand how he failed a place that is designed to seperate people from their money. Aside from being so shitty no one would be seen there which sounds about on par for his 'brand'.",
">\n\n\nTrump managed to bankrupt a casino,\n\nthats not quite accurate\ni think it was 3 casinos at least.",
">\n\n\nGiuliani also said top secret files are \"very, very strange the way they're put together\" and \"often are very small, but they contain a lot of information.\"\n\nFor the love of god please please shut up.",
">\n\nTalking about the formatting of top secret docs is literally giving away classified information. How is this guy not in prison yet?",
">\n\nThat guy was president.., that’s why.\nRemember when a game show host ran for president?\nDo you remember thinking it was a complete joke? \nAnd then that pathetic liar and ruiner of lives actually won?\nThat’s why… \n…cuz half of this country “hated school”…and is also ironically still stuck in high school",
">\n\n\nhalf of this country “hated school”…and is also ironically still stuck in high school\n\nThis hits hard. While there's no simple explanation for what's happening, I feel this hits the nail on the head. So much I think many \"conservatives\" and \"centrists\" would agree.",
">\n\n\nGiuliani said he was at Mar-a-Lago, working on \"vetting\" some \"very rich\" people — specifically, going through their tax returns for Trump. \n\nUm what?",
">\n\nVery legal. Very cool.",
">\n\nI mean, it's so casual for them to be doing this that they are talking about it openly. So I guess this is how our government is run?",
">\n\nWell It's how Trump's government was run.",
">\n\nReferring to a government under a certain president’s term as their government is common practice. Things and the procedures by which they happen change drastically with the new leader nearly every time.\nThough, to your point, it has been the same shitstorm for a while now.\nPointless comment over and out. o7",
">\n\nWhat is the play here by Giuliani… what is he up to",
">\n\nTrump didn't pay him for his work promoting the big lie and trying to get the election overturned, so....",
">\n\nThey definitely have mutual dirt on each other going back decades.\nThe idiot almost said as much in public, saying that he had \"insurance.\"\nIt kind of explains the desperation. Not the idiocy, though.",
">\n\nBut I don’t see endless headlines to get Julie in any legal trouble. I wonder if this is an attempt to save his own ass through some deal.",
">\n\nI'm just very confused. Giuliani had no right to look at classified documents, let alone take them home. Now he said he never took any home, but did he even read them? Just cause he's the President's lawyer, that doesn't automatically give some clearance right?",
">\n\nI’ve never seen that and wish I hadn’t to be honest. So gross.",
">\n\nDid they hand out top secret documents in maralargo like some sort of goodie bag? \nLike here is a diet coke, cheesburger Maga hat and some top secret satellite photos of Iranian nuke sites.",
">\n\n\"What's your net worth? Ooooh, nice! Have a complimentary nuclear secret!\"\n\"Dude, I just wanna know how to get to the pool.\"",
">\n\n\"He told me, 'Oh, take them home with you,'\" Giuliani said of Trump. \"I'm not going to take Wilbur Ross' tax returns home with me. I could misplace them!\"\n\"I — you know, I never, ever, ever, ever, ever, knowingly, and I never got caught — but I don't remember ever taking a doc,\" Giuliani added. He said he would place documents in a small safe at his desk in Mar-a-Lago to be worked on the next day.\nGiuliani also said top secret files are \"very, very strange the way they're put together\" and \"often are very small, but they contain a lot of information.\"",
">\n\nGiuliani sounds guilty as hell to me.",
">\n\n\nI never, ever ever ever ever\n\nWords of an innocent man I tell ya",
">\n\n\"and I never got caught\" lol",
">\n\nHe said the thing he wasn’t supposed to say out loud.",
">\n\nI believe at least two things are in play here.\n1st, and most importantly, Trump took those documents to sell nuclear secrets to the Saudis. I absolutely believe this happened.\nThe other is that Trump is a grandiose narcissistic braggart. He took those documents just so that he could brag to people that he has possession of TS documents.",
">\n\nIs there any reporting on the 1st assumption?",
">\n\nNothing that would stand up in court. Just circumstantial stuff as far as I know right now. There were apparently nuclear documents, but I don't know what type of information was in them, and we know about the Saudi involvement with Kushner and the golf tournament thing with Trump.",
">\n\nAh okay, just curious.",
">\n\nand Giuliani is the type that can't seem to keep his mouth shut lol",
">\n\nHe basically admitting that not only did people who shouldn't have seen them look at top secret documents but in all likelihood many of them brought them home.\nIf I was the FBI I'd bring this to the judge as probable cause to search half a dozen trump associate properties for top secret documents.",
">\n\nHe took documents home",
">\n\nAt least he never got caught.",
">\n\nI hear no one still knows about it!",
">\n\nEveryone knows people are saying that",
">\n\nRudy is trying to get paid for a 6 figure or maybe even 7 figure legal bill. So if he floats this idea at a time when the special prosecutor is tightening his noose he may get Trump to pay him. Birds of a feather. They truly deserve each other. Yuck!",
">\n\nSo who here thinks if Rudy is saying he didn't out of the cleat blue sky, someone should check it out?\nAlso... \"Vetting rich people?\" That is a really weird way of saying,\"picking cabinet members.\" That seems a little telling.",
">\n\nTranslation: \"Juicy Research to keep the person in line in case they think about turning\"",
">\n\nThis guy might be super stupid to confessing openly about this treason!",
">\n\nWorst case scenario he does 3-6 months in a privately operated prison for wealthy celebrities. He can admit to murder and offer evidence of it and it'd still be years before he served those 6 months",
">\n\nOur systems have totally failed us. Intelligence, DOJ and inmoral politicians who placed party and greed over country!",
">\n\n\nRudy Giuliani says Trump once told him to take top-secret documents home. Giuliani said the incident occurred just after Trump became president, when he was working at Mar-a-Lago. [emphasis mine]\n\nNot the least bit surprising.\nAlso wouldn't be surprising if it is ultimately discovered that Trump has been stealing classified documents and selling them to hostile foreign interests from the moment he first set foot in - and stained - the Oval Office w/his presence.\nI believe Trump's meetings w/Russian oligarchs, Putin, etc., where no U.S. press , or even a translator were allowed were tip offs, red flags that went ignored.",
">\n\nEver wonder why North Korea's Ballistic Missles started flying straighter and longer from the time after Trump started meeting with \"his favorite little dictator?\"",
">\n\nNo, you don't start to get empathy for what he told you to do. You did it, you complied, and you covered for it. You and all the other cronies should go right down with him. You don't get to come up later and point blame at him. You're just as despicable. Lock 'em all up!",
">\n\n\"Never got caught\"...yeah, he's totally innocent.",
">\n\nAlways figured Rudy would flip quickly.",
">\n\nNot to worry they were safely secured at the Four Seasons Total Landscaping in NE Philly",
">\n\nnah... the SCIF is at the Dildo Emporium.\nDo you even Top Secret dude?",
">\n\nRepublicans: Oh yeah! Well Champ advised Biden to take home Classified documents too!",
">\n\nsome mondays i can identify the specific thing that pushed me into \"i hate mondays\" mode. today it's the re-realization that rudy giuliani had access to real government secrets. rudy cousin-fucking giuliani.",
">\n\nHe is a lawyer. He cannot plead ignorance on matters of law.",
">\n\nPleading ignorance doesn’t work for anyone. If it did, Trump would be home free.",
">\n\nTrump is home free.",
">\n\nI have a hypothesis that Giuliani went after the Italian and Irish mafia in NYC to make way for the Russian mafia."
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Glad to know I'm not the only one who thinks the timing was perfect :)
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[
"Did Rudy have security clearance to even view those documents?",
">\n\nNone of Trumps top advisors (including all his kids) could pass security clearance standards.",
">\n\nYet they held them :P. At least Kushner did.",
">\n\nThey all did, Kushner was the one who immediately rose suspection.",
">\n\nTrump had to personally step in to grant Kush his clearance because he kept getting caught lying on his application forms.",
">\n\nHow did he give him clearance, just thinking about it?",
">\n\nHe just had to say . \"You now have top secret clearance . \"",
">\n\nI didn't know that Jabba the Hutt had jedi mind powers...",
">\n\nCome on, even the most corrupt crimelord in a Galaxy Far, Far Away paid his subcontractors and ran an efficient criminal enterprise.\nTrump managed to bankrupt a casino, and I still have yet to truly understand how he failed a place that is designed to seperate people from their money. Aside from being so shitty no one would be seen there which sounds about on par for his 'brand'.",
">\n\n\nTrump managed to bankrupt a casino,\n\nthats not quite accurate\ni think it was 3 casinos at least.",
">\n\n\nGiuliani also said top secret files are \"very, very strange the way they're put together\" and \"often are very small, but they contain a lot of information.\"\n\nFor the love of god please please shut up.",
">\n\nTalking about the formatting of top secret docs is literally giving away classified information. How is this guy not in prison yet?",
">\n\nThat guy was president.., that’s why.\nRemember when a game show host ran for president?\nDo you remember thinking it was a complete joke? \nAnd then that pathetic liar and ruiner of lives actually won?\nThat’s why… \n…cuz half of this country “hated school”…and is also ironically still stuck in high school",
">\n\n\nhalf of this country “hated school”…and is also ironically still stuck in high school\n\nThis hits hard. While there's no simple explanation for what's happening, I feel this hits the nail on the head. So much I think many \"conservatives\" and \"centrists\" would agree.",
">\n\n\nGiuliani said he was at Mar-a-Lago, working on \"vetting\" some \"very rich\" people — specifically, going through their tax returns for Trump. \n\nUm what?",
">\n\nVery legal. Very cool.",
">\n\nI mean, it's so casual for them to be doing this that they are talking about it openly. So I guess this is how our government is run?",
">\n\nWell It's how Trump's government was run.",
">\n\nReferring to a government under a certain president’s term as their government is common practice. Things and the procedures by which they happen change drastically with the new leader nearly every time.\nThough, to your point, it has been the same shitstorm for a while now.\nPointless comment over and out. o7",
">\n\nWhat is the play here by Giuliani… what is he up to",
">\n\nTrump didn't pay him for his work promoting the big lie and trying to get the election overturned, so....",
">\n\nThey definitely have mutual dirt on each other going back decades.\nThe idiot almost said as much in public, saying that he had \"insurance.\"\nIt kind of explains the desperation. Not the idiocy, though.",
">\n\nBut I don’t see endless headlines to get Julie in any legal trouble. I wonder if this is an attempt to save his own ass through some deal.",
">\n\nI'm just very confused. Giuliani had no right to look at classified documents, let alone take them home. Now he said he never took any home, but did he even read them? Just cause he's the President's lawyer, that doesn't automatically give some clearance right?",
">\n\nI’ve never seen that and wish I hadn’t to be honest. So gross.",
">\n\nDid they hand out top secret documents in maralargo like some sort of goodie bag? \nLike here is a diet coke, cheesburger Maga hat and some top secret satellite photos of Iranian nuke sites.",
">\n\n\"What's your net worth? Ooooh, nice! Have a complimentary nuclear secret!\"\n\"Dude, I just wanna know how to get to the pool.\"",
">\n\n\"He told me, 'Oh, take them home with you,'\" Giuliani said of Trump. \"I'm not going to take Wilbur Ross' tax returns home with me. I could misplace them!\"\n\"I — you know, I never, ever, ever, ever, ever, knowingly, and I never got caught — but I don't remember ever taking a doc,\" Giuliani added. He said he would place documents in a small safe at his desk in Mar-a-Lago to be worked on the next day.\nGiuliani also said top secret files are \"very, very strange the way they're put together\" and \"often are very small, but they contain a lot of information.\"",
">\n\nGiuliani sounds guilty as hell to me.",
">\n\n\nI never, ever ever ever ever\n\nWords of an innocent man I tell ya",
">\n\n\"and I never got caught\" lol",
">\n\nHe said the thing he wasn’t supposed to say out loud.",
">\n\nI believe at least two things are in play here.\n1st, and most importantly, Trump took those documents to sell nuclear secrets to the Saudis. I absolutely believe this happened.\nThe other is that Trump is a grandiose narcissistic braggart. He took those documents just so that he could brag to people that he has possession of TS documents.",
">\n\nIs there any reporting on the 1st assumption?",
">\n\nNothing that would stand up in court. Just circumstantial stuff as far as I know right now. There were apparently nuclear documents, but I don't know what type of information was in them, and we know about the Saudi involvement with Kushner and the golf tournament thing with Trump.",
">\n\nAh okay, just curious.",
">\n\nand Giuliani is the type that can't seem to keep his mouth shut lol",
">\n\nHe basically admitting that not only did people who shouldn't have seen them look at top secret documents but in all likelihood many of them brought them home.\nIf I was the FBI I'd bring this to the judge as probable cause to search half a dozen trump associate properties for top secret documents.",
">\n\nHe took documents home",
">\n\nAt least he never got caught.",
">\n\nI hear no one still knows about it!",
">\n\nEveryone knows people are saying that",
">\n\nRudy is trying to get paid for a 6 figure or maybe even 7 figure legal bill. So if he floats this idea at a time when the special prosecutor is tightening his noose he may get Trump to pay him. Birds of a feather. They truly deserve each other. Yuck!",
">\n\nSo who here thinks if Rudy is saying he didn't out of the cleat blue sky, someone should check it out?\nAlso... \"Vetting rich people?\" That is a really weird way of saying,\"picking cabinet members.\" That seems a little telling.",
">\n\nTranslation: \"Juicy Research to keep the person in line in case they think about turning\"",
">\n\nThis guy might be super stupid to confessing openly about this treason!",
">\n\nWorst case scenario he does 3-6 months in a privately operated prison for wealthy celebrities. He can admit to murder and offer evidence of it and it'd still be years before he served those 6 months",
">\n\nOur systems have totally failed us. Intelligence, DOJ and inmoral politicians who placed party and greed over country!",
">\n\n\nRudy Giuliani says Trump once told him to take top-secret documents home. Giuliani said the incident occurred just after Trump became president, when he was working at Mar-a-Lago. [emphasis mine]\n\nNot the least bit surprising.\nAlso wouldn't be surprising if it is ultimately discovered that Trump has been stealing classified documents and selling them to hostile foreign interests from the moment he first set foot in - and stained - the Oval Office w/his presence.\nI believe Trump's meetings w/Russian oligarchs, Putin, etc., where no U.S. press , or even a translator were allowed were tip offs, red flags that went ignored.",
">\n\nEver wonder why North Korea's Ballistic Missles started flying straighter and longer from the time after Trump started meeting with \"his favorite little dictator?\"",
">\n\nNo, you don't start to get empathy for what he told you to do. You did it, you complied, and you covered for it. You and all the other cronies should go right down with him. You don't get to come up later and point blame at him. You're just as despicable. Lock 'em all up!",
">\n\n\"Never got caught\"...yeah, he's totally innocent.",
">\n\nAlways figured Rudy would flip quickly.",
">\n\nNot to worry they were safely secured at the Four Seasons Total Landscaping in NE Philly",
">\n\nnah... the SCIF is at the Dildo Emporium.\nDo you even Top Secret dude?",
">\n\nRepublicans: Oh yeah! Well Champ advised Biden to take home Classified documents too!",
">\n\nsome mondays i can identify the specific thing that pushed me into \"i hate mondays\" mode. today it's the re-realization that rudy giuliani had access to real government secrets. rudy cousin-fucking giuliani.",
">\n\nHe is a lawyer. He cannot plead ignorance on matters of law.",
">\n\nPleading ignorance doesn’t work for anyone. If it did, Trump would be home free.",
">\n\nTrump is home free.",
">\n\nI have a hypothesis that Giuliani went after the Italian and Irish mafia in NYC to make way for the Russian mafia.",
">\n\nSounds possible. The timing is perfect."
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"He told me, 'Oh, take them home with you,'" Giuliani said of Trump. "I'm not going to take Wilbur Ross' tax returns home with me. I could misplace them!"
"I — you know, I never, ever, ever, ever, ever, knowingly, and I never got caught — but I don't remember ever taking a doc," Giuliani added. He said he would place documents in a small safe at his desk in Mar-a-Lago to be worked on the next day.
Giuliani also said top secret files are "very, very strange the way they're put together" and "often are very small, but they contain a lot of information."
This guy is a liar and crook, so it’s hard to take anything he says seriously. That said, as someone who actually works with classified information regularly, he sounds like someone who has never been exposed to anything classified in his life.
Individuals’ tax returns are not classified. There may be sharing restrictions on them—and it’s probably prohibited for Giuliani to have had them at his disposal for whatever the hell kind of “vetting” he was doing, but that’s another matter—but that doesn’t make them classified. Certainly not “top secret” anyway.
Furthermore, there is absolutely nothing strange about the composition of top secret files. They just get printed onto regular letter-sized paper. They are as big or as small as they need to be to make the point they’re aiming to make. If anything, they are artificially larger than they’d need to be because sometimes the author will break out less or more classified points into discrete paragraphs with different portion markings to allow the information to be shared appropriately in other contexts.
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[
"Did Rudy have security clearance to even view those documents?",
">\n\nNone of Trumps top advisors (including all his kids) could pass security clearance standards.",
">\n\nYet they held them :P. At least Kushner did.",
">\n\nThey all did, Kushner was the one who immediately rose suspection.",
">\n\nTrump had to personally step in to grant Kush his clearance because he kept getting caught lying on his application forms.",
">\n\nHow did he give him clearance, just thinking about it?",
">\n\nHe just had to say . \"You now have top secret clearance . \"",
">\n\nI didn't know that Jabba the Hutt had jedi mind powers...",
">\n\nCome on, even the most corrupt crimelord in a Galaxy Far, Far Away paid his subcontractors and ran an efficient criminal enterprise.\nTrump managed to bankrupt a casino, and I still have yet to truly understand how he failed a place that is designed to seperate people from their money. Aside from being so shitty no one would be seen there which sounds about on par for his 'brand'.",
">\n\n\nTrump managed to bankrupt a casino,\n\nthats not quite accurate\ni think it was 3 casinos at least.",
">\n\n\nGiuliani also said top secret files are \"very, very strange the way they're put together\" and \"often are very small, but they contain a lot of information.\"\n\nFor the love of god please please shut up.",
">\n\nTalking about the formatting of top secret docs is literally giving away classified information. How is this guy not in prison yet?",
">\n\nThat guy was president.., that’s why.\nRemember when a game show host ran for president?\nDo you remember thinking it was a complete joke? \nAnd then that pathetic liar and ruiner of lives actually won?\nThat’s why… \n…cuz half of this country “hated school”…and is also ironically still stuck in high school",
">\n\n\nhalf of this country “hated school”…and is also ironically still stuck in high school\n\nThis hits hard. While there's no simple explanation for what's happening, I feel this hits the nail on the head. So much I think many \"conservatives\" and \"centrists\" would agree.",
">\n\n\nGiuliani said he was at Mar-a-Lago, working on \"vetting\" some \"very rich\" people — specifically, going through their tax returns for Trump. \n\nUm what?",
">\n\nVery legal. Very cool.",
">\n\nI mean, it's so casual for them to be doing this that they are talking about it openly. So I guess this is how our government is run?",
">\n\nWell It's how Trump's government was run.",
">\n\nReferring to a government under a certain president’s term as their government is common practice. Things and the procedures by which they happen change drastically with the new leader nearly every time.\nThough, to your point, it has been the same shitstorm for a while now.\nPointless comment over and out. o7",
">\n\nWhat is the play here by Giuliani… what is he up to",
">\n\nTrump didn't pay him for his work promoting the big lie and trying to get the election overturned, so....",
">\n\nThey definitely have mutual dirt on each other going back decades.\nThe idiot almost said as much in public, saying that he had \"insurance.\"\nIt kind of explains the desperation. Not the idiocy, though.",
">\n\nBut I don’t see endless headlines to get Julie in any legal trouble. I wonder if this is an attempt to save his own ass through some deal.",
">\n\nI'm just very confused. Giuliani had no right to look at classified documents, let alone take them home. Now he said he never took any home, but did he even read them? Just cause he's the President's lawyer, that doesn't automatically give some clearance right?",
">\n\nI’ve never seen that and wish I hadn’t to be honest. So gross.",
">\n\nDid they hand out top secret documents in maralargo like some sort of goodie bag? \nLike here is a diet coke, cheesburger Maga hat and some top secret satellite photos of Iranian nuke sites.",
">\n\n\"What's your net worth? Ooooh, nice! Have a complimentary nuclear secret!\"\n\"Dude, I just wanna know how to get to the pool.\"",
">\n\n\"He told me, 'Oh, take them home with you,'\" Giuliani said of Trump. \"I'm not going to take Wilbur Ross' tax returns home with me. I could misplace them!\"\n\"I — you know, I never, ever, ever, ever, ever, knowingly, and I never got caught — but I don't remember ever taking a doc,\" Giuliani added. He said he would place documents in a small safe at his desk in Mar-a-Lago to be worked on the next day.\nGiuliani also said top secret files are \"very, very strange the way they're put together\" and \"often are very small, but they contain a lot of information.\"",
">\n\nGiuliani sounds guilty as hell to me.",
">\n\n\nI never, ever ever ever ever\n\nWords of an innocent man I tell ya",
">\n\n\"and I never got caught\" lol",
">\n\nHe said the thing he wasn’t supposed to say out loud.",
">\n\nI believe at least two things are in play here.\n1st, and most importantly, Trump took those documents to sell nuclear secrets to the Saudis. I absolutely believe this happened.\nThe other is that Trump is a grandiose narcissistic braggart. He took those documents just so that he could brag to people that he has possession of TS documents.",
">\n\nIs there any reporting on the 1st assumption?",
">\n\nNothing that would stand up in court. Just circumstantial stuff as far as I know right now. There were apparently nuclear documents, but I don't know what type of information was in them, and we know about the Saudi involvement with Kushner and the golf tournament thing with Trump.",
">\n\nAh okay, just curious.",
">\n\nand Giuliani is the type that can't seem to keep his mouth shut lol",
">\n\nHe basically admitting that not only did people who shouldn't have seen them look at top secret documents but in all likelihood many of them brought them home.\nIf I was the FBI I'd bring this to the judge as probable cause to search half a dozen trump associate properties for top secret documents.",
">\n\nHe took documents home",
">\n\nAt least he never got caught.",
">\n\nI hear no one still knows about it!",
">\n\nEveryone knows people are saying that",
">\n\nRudy is trying to get paid for a 6 figure or maybe even 7 figure legal bill. So if he floats this idea at a time when the special prosecutor is tightening his noose he may get Trump to pay him. Birds of a feather. They truly deserve each other. Yuck!",
">\n\nSo who here thinks if Rudy is saying he didn't out of the cleat blue sky, someone should check it out?\nAlso... \"Vetting rich people?\" That is a really weird way of saying,\"picking cabinet members.\" That seems a little telling.",
">\n\nTranslation: \"Juicy Research to keep the person in line in case they think about turning\"",
">\n\nThis guy might be super stupid to confessing openly about this treason!",
">\n\nWorst case scenario he does 3-6 months in a privately operated prison for wealthy celebrities. He can admit to murder and offer evidence of it and it'd still be years before he served those 6 months",
">\n\nOur systems have totally failed us. Intelligence, DOJ and inmoral politicians who placed party and greed over country!",
">\n\n\nRudy Giuliani says Trump once told him to take top-secret documents home. Giuliani said the incident occurred just after Trump became president, when he was working at Mar-a-Lago. [emphasis mine]\n\nNot the least bit surprising.\nAlso wouldn't be surprising if it is ultimately discovered that Trump has been stealing classified documents and selling them to hostile foreign interests from the moment he first set foot in - and stained - the Oval Office w/his presence.\nI believe Trump's meetings w/Russian oligarchs, Putin, etc., where no U.S. press , or even a translator were allowed were tip offs, red flags that went ignored.",
">\n\nEver wonder why North Korea's Ballistic Missles started flying straighter and longer from the time after Trump started meeting with \"his favorite little dictator?\"",
">\n\nNo, you don't start to get empathy for what he told you to do. You did it, you complied, and you covered for it. You and all the other cronies should go right down with him. You don't get to come up later and point blame at him. You're just as despicable. Lock 'em all up!",
">\n\n\"Never got caught\"...yeah, he's totally innocent.",
">\n\nAlways figured Rudy would flip quickly.",
">\n\nNot to worry they were safely secured at the Four Seasons Total Landscaping in NE Philly",
">\n\nnah... the SCIF is at the Dildo Emporium.\nDo you even Top Secret dude?",
">\n\nRepublicans: Oh yeah! Well Champ advised Biden to take home Classified documents too!",
">\n\nsome mondays i can identify the specific thing that pushed me into \"i hate mondays\" mode. today it's the re-realization that rudy giuliani had access to real government secrets. rudy cousin-fucking giuliani.",
">\n\nHe is a lawyer. He cannot plead ignorance on matters of law.",
">\n\nPleading ignorance doesn’t work for anyone. If it did, Trump would be home free.",
">\n\nTrump is home free.",
">\n\nI have a hypothesis that Giuliani went after the Italian and Irish mafia in NYC to make way for the Russian mafia.",
">\n\nSounds possible. The timing is perfect.",
">\n\nGlad to know I'm not the only one who thinks the timing was perfect :)"
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Had to scroll halfway through the comments to find this. Tax returns aren’t classified. And definitely not top secret.
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[
"Did Rudy have security clearance to even view those documents?",
">\n\nNone of Trumps top advisors (including all his kids) could pass security clearance standards.",
">\n\nYet they held them :P. At least Kushner did.",
">\n\nThey all did, Kushner was the one who immediately rose suspection.",
">\n\nTrump had to personally step in to grant Kush his clearance because he kept getting caught lying on his application forms.",
">\n\nHow did he give him clearance, just thinking about it?",
">\n\nHe just had to say . \"You now have top secret clearance . \"",
">\n\nI didn't know that Jabba the Hutt had jedi mind powers...",
">\n\nCome on, even the most corrupt crimelord in a Galaxy Far, Far Away paid his subcontractors and ran an efficient criminal enterprise.\nTrump managed to bankrupt a casino, and I still have yet to truly understand how he failed a place that is designed to seperate people from their money. Aside from being so shitty no one would be seen there which sounds about on par for his 'brand'.",
">\n\n\nTrump managed to bankrupt a casino,\n\nthats not quite accurate\ni think it was 3 casinos at least.",
">\n\n\nGiuliani also said top secret files are \"very, very strange the way they're put together\" and \"often are very small, but they contain a lot of information.\"\n\nFor the love of god please please shut up.",
">\n\nTalking about the formatting of top secret docs is literally giving away classified information. How is this guy not in prison yet?",
">\n\nThat guy was president.., that’s why.\nRemember when a game show host ran for president?\nDo you remember thinking it was a complete joke? \nAnd then that pathetic liar and ruiner of lives actually won?\nThat’s why… \n…cuz half of this country “hated school”…and is also ironically still stuck in high school",
">\n\n\nhalf of this country “hated school”…and is also ironically still stuck in high school\n\nThis hits hard. While there's no simple explanation for what's happening, I feel this hits the nail on the head. So much I think many \"conservatives\" and \"centrists\" would agree.",
">\n\n\nGiuliani said he was at Mar-a-Lago, working on \"vetting\" some \"very rich\" people — specifically, going through their tax returns for Trump. \n\nUm what?",
">\n\nVery legal. Very cool.",
">\n\nI mean, it's so casual for them to be doing this that they are talking about it openly. So I guess this is how our government is run?",
">\n\nWell It's how Trump's government was run.",
">\n\nReferring to a government under a certain president’s term as their government is common practice. Things and the procedures by which they happen change drastically with the new leader nearly every time.\nThough, to your point, it has been the same shitstorm for a while now.\nPointless comment over and out. o7",
">\n\nWhat is the play here by Giuliani… what is he up to",
">\n\nTrump didn't pay him for his work promoting the big lie and trying to get the election overturned, so....",
">\n\nThey definitely have mutual dirt on each other going back decades.\nThe idiot almost said as much in public, saying that he had \"insurance.\"\nIt kind of explains the desperation. Not the idiocy, though.",
">\n\nBut I don’t see endless headlines to get Julie in any legal trouble. I wonder if this is an attempt to save his own ass through some deal.",
">\n\nI'm just very confused. Giuliani had no right to look at classified documents, let alone take them home. Now he said he never took any home, but did he even read them? Just cause he's the President's lawyer, that doesn't automatically give some clearance right?",
">\n\nI’ve never seen that and wish I hadn’t to be honest. So gross.",
">\n\nDid they hand out top secret documents in maralargo like some sort of goodie bag? \nLike here is a diet coke, cheesburger Maga hat and some top secret satellite photos of Iranian nuke sites.",
">\n\n\"What's your net worth? Ooooh, nice! Have a complimentary nuclear secret!\"\n\"Dude, I just wanna know how to get to the pool.\"",
">\n\n\"He told me, 'Oh, take them home with you,'\" Giuliani said of Trump. \"I'm not going to take Wilbur Ross' tax returns home with me. I could misplace them!\"\n\"I — you know, I never, ever, ever, ever, ever, knowingly, and I never got caught — but I don't remember ever taking a doc,\" Giuliani added. He said he would place documents in a small safe at his desk in Mar-a-Lago to be worked on the next day.\nGiuliani also said top secret files are \"very, very strange the way they're put together\" and \"often are very small, but they contain a lot of information.\"",
">\n\nGiuliani sounds guilty as hell to me.",
">\n\n\nI never, ever ever ever ever\n\nWords of an innocent man I tell ya",
">\n\n\"and I never got caught\" lol",
">\n\nHe said the thing he wasn’t supposed to say out loud.",
">\n\nI believe at least two things are in play here.\n1st, and most importantly, Trump took those documents to sell nuclear secrets to the Saudis. I absolutely believe this happened.\nThe other is that Trump is a grandiose narcissistic braggart. He took those documents just so that he could brag to people that he has possession of TS documents.",
">\n\nIs there any reporting on the 1st assumption?",
">\n\nNothing that would stand up in court. Just circumstantial stuff as far as I know right now. There were apparently nuclear documents, but I don't know what type of information was in them, and we know about the Saudi involvement with Kushner and the golf tournament thing with Trump.",
">\n\nAh okay, just curious.",
">\n\nand Giuliani is the type that can't seem to keep his mouth shut lol",
">\n\nHe basically admitting that not only did people who shouldn't have seen them look at top secret documents but in all likelihood many of them brought them home.\nIf I was the FBI I'd bring this to the judge as probable cause to search half a dozen trump associate properties for top secret documents.",
">\n\nHe took documents home",
">\n\nAt least he never got caught.",
">\n\nI hear no one still knows about it!",
">\n\nEveryone knows people are saying that",
">\n\nRudy is trying to get paid for a 6 figure or maybe even 7 figure legal bill. So if he floats this idea at a time when the special prosecutor is tightening his noose he may get Trump to pay him. Birds of a feather. They truly deserve each other. Yuck!",
">\n\nSo who here thinks if Rudy is saying he didn't out of the cleat blue sky, someone should check it out?\nAlso... \"Vetting rich people?\" That is a really weird way of saying,\"picking cabinet members.\" That seems a little telling.",
">\n\nTranslation: \"Juicy Research to keep the person in line in case they think about turning\"",
">\n\nThis guy might be super stupid to confessing openly about this treason!",
">\n\nWorst case scenario he does 3-6 months in a privately operated prison for wealthy celebrities. He can admit to murder and offer evidence of it and it'd still be years before he served those 6 months",
">\n\nOur systems have totally failed us. Intelligence, DOJ and inmoral politicians who placed party and greed over country!",
">\n\n\nRudy Giuliani says Trump once told him to take top-secret documents home. Giuliani said the incident occurred just after Trump became president, when he was working at Mar-a-Lago. [emphasis mine]\n\nNot the least bit surprising.\nAlso wouldn't be surprising if it is ultimately discovered that Trump has been stealing classified documents and selling them to hostile foreign interests from the moment he first set foot in - and stained - the Oval Office w/his presence.\nI believe Trump's meetings w/Russian oligarchs, Putin, etc., where no U.S. press , or even a translator were allowed were tip offs, red flags that went ignored.",
">\n\nEver wonder why North Korea's Ballistic Missles started flying straighter and longer from the time after Trump started meeting with \"his favorite little dictator?\"",
">\n\nNo, you don't start to get empathy for what he told you to do. You did it, you complied, and you covered for it. You and all the other cronies should go right down with him. You don't get to come up later and point blame at him. You're just as despicable. Lock 'em all up!",
">\n\n\"Never got caught\"...yeah, he's totally innocent.",
">\n\nAlways figured Rudy would flip quickly.",
">\n\nNot to worry they were safely secured at the Four Seasons Total Landscaping in NE Philly",
">\n\nnah... the SCIF is at the Dildo Emporium.\nDo you even Top Secret dude?",
">\n\nRepublicans: Oh yeah! Well Champ advised Biden to take home Classified documents too!",
">\n\nsome mondays i can identify the specific thing that pushed me into \"i hate mondays\" mode. today it's the re-realization that rudy giuliani had access to real government secrets. rudy cousin-fucking giuliani.",
">\n\nHe is a lawyer. He cannot plead ignorance on matters of law.",
">\n\nPleading ignorance doesn’t work for anyone. If it did, Trump would be home free.",
">\n\nTrump is home free.",
">\n\nI have a hypothesis that Giuliani went after the Italian and Irish mafia in NYC to make way for the Russian mafia.",
">\n\nSounds possible. The timing is perfect.",
">\n\nGlad to know I'm not the only one who thinks the timing was perfect :)",
">\n\n\n\"He told me, 'Oh, take them home with you,'\" Giuliani said of Trump. \"I'm not going to take Wilbur Ross' tax returns home with me. I could misplace them!\"\n\"I — you know, I never, ever, ever, ever, ever, knowingly, and I never got caught — but I don't remember ever taking a doc,\" Giuliani added. He said he would place documents in a small safe at his desk in Mar-a-Lago to be worked on the next day.\nGiuliani also said top secret files are \"very, very strange the way they're put together\" and \"often are very small, but they contain a lot of information.\"\n\nThis guy is a liar and crook, so it’s hard to take anything he says seriously. That said, as someone who actually works with classified information regularly, he sounds like someone who has never been exposed to anything classified in his life. \nIndividuals’ tax returns are not classified. There may be sharing restrictions on them—and it’s probably prohibited for Giuliani to have had them at his disposal for whatever the hell kind of “vetting” he was doing, but that’s another matter—but that doesn’t make them classified. Certainly not “top secret” anyway. \nFurthermore, there is absolutely nothing strange about the composition of top secret files. They just get printed onto regular letter-sized paper. They are as big or as small as they need to be to make the point they’re aiming to make. If anything, they are artificially larger than they’d need to be because sometimes the author will break out less or more classified points into discrete paragraphs with different portion markings to allow the information to be shared appropriately in other contexts."
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There ya go, Giuliani. Keep on a talkin'.
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[
"Did Rudy have security clearance to even view those documents?",
">\n\nNone of Trumps top advisors (including all his kids) could pass security clearance standards.",
">\n\nYet they held them :P. At least Kushner did.",
">\n\nThey all did, Kushner was the one who immediately rose suspection.",
">\n\nTrump had to personally step in to grant Kush his clearance because he kept getting caught lying on his application forms.",
">\n\nHow did he give him clearance, just thinking about it?",
">\n\nHe just had to say . \"You now have top secret clearance . \"",
">\n\nI didn't know that Jabba the Hutt had jedi mind powers...",
">\n\nCome on, even the most corrupt crimelord in a Galaxy Far, Far Away paid his subcontractors and ran an efficient criminal enterprise.\nTrump managed to bankrupt a casino, and I still have yet to truly understand how he failed a place that is designed to seperate people from their money. Aside from being so shitty no one would be seen there which sounds about on par for his 'brand'.",
">\n\n\nTrump managed to bankrupt a casino,\n\nthats not quite accurate\ni think it was 3 casinos at least.",
">\n\n\nGiuliani also said top secret files are \"very, very strange the way they're put together\" and \"often are very small, but they contain a lot of information.\"\n\nFor the love of god please please shut up.",
">\n\nTalking about the formatting of top secret docs is literally giving away classified information. How is this guy not in prison yet?",
">\n\nThat guy was president.., that’s why.\nRemember when a game show host ran for president?\nDo you remember thinking it was a complete joke? \nAnd then that pathetic liar and ruiner of lives actually won?\nThat’s why… \n…cuz half of this country “hated school”…and is also ironically still stuck in high school",
">\n\n\nhalf of this country “hated school”…and is also ironically still stuck in high school\n\nThis hits hard. While there's no simple explanation for what's happening, I feel this hits the nail on the head. So much I think many \"conservatives\" and \"centrists\" would agree.",
">\n\n\nGiuliani said he was at Mar-a-Lago, working on \"vetting\" some \"very rich\" people — specifically, going through their tax returns for Trump. \n\nUm what?",
">\n\nVery legal. Very cool.",
">\n\nI mean, it's so casual for them to be doing this that they are talking about it openly. So I guess this is how our government is run?",
">\n\nWell It's how Trump's government was run.",
">\n\nReferring to a government under a certain president’s term as their government is common practice. Things and the procedures by which they happen change drastically with the new leader nearly every time.\nThough, to your point, it has been the same shitstorm for a while now.\nPointless comment over and out. o7",
">\n\nWhat is the play here by Giuliani… what is he up to",
">\n\nTrump didn't pay him for his work promoting the big lie and trying to get the election overturned, so....",
">\n\nThey definitely have mutual dirt on each other going back decades.\nThe idiot almost said as much in public, saying that he had \"insurance.\"\nIt kind of explains the desperation. Not the idiocy, though.",
">\n\nBut I don’t see endless headlines to get Julie in any legal trouble. I wonder if this is an attempt to save his own ass through some deal.",
">\n\nI'm just very confused. Giuliani had no right to look at classified documents, let alone take them home. Now he said he never took any home, but did he even read them? Just cause he's the President's lawyer, that doesn't automatically give some clearance right?",
">\n\nI’ve never seen that and wish I hadn’t to be honest. So gross.",
">\n\nDid they hand out top secret documents in maralargo like some sort of goodie bag? \nLike here is a diet coke, cheesburger Maga hat and some top secret satellite photos of Iranian nuke sites.",
">\n\n\"What's your net worth? Ooooh, nice! Have a complimentary nuclear secret!\"\n\"Dude, I just wanna know how to get to the pool.\"",
">\n\n\"He told me, 'Oh, take them home with you,'\" Giuliani said of Trump. \"I'm not going to take Wilbur Ross' tax returns home with me. I could misplace them!\"\n\"I — you know, I never, ever, ever, ever, ever, knowingly, and I never got caught — but I don't remember ever taking a doc,\" Giuliani added. He said he would place documents in a small safe at his desk in Mar-a-Lago to be worked on the next day.\nGiuliani also said top secret files are \"very, very strange the way they're put together\" and \"often are very small, but they contain a lot of information.\"",
">\n\nGiuliani sounds guilty as hell to me.",
">\n\n\nI never, ever ever ever ever\n\nWords of an innocent man I tell ya",
">\n\n\"and I never got caught\" lol",
">\n\nHe said the thing he wasn’t supposed to say out loud.",
">\n\nI believe at least two things are in play here.\n1st, and most importantly, Trump took those documents to sell nuclear secrets to the Saudis. I absolutely believe this happened.\nThe other is that Trump is a grandiose narcissistic braggart. He took those documents just so that he could brag to people that he has possession of TS documents.",
">\n\nIs there any reporting on the 1st assumption?",
">\n\nNothing that would stand up in court. Just circumstantial stuff as far as I know right now. There were apparently nuclear documents, but I don't know what type of information was in them, and we know about the Saudi involvement with Kushner and the golf tournament thing with Trump.",
">\n\nAh okay, just curious.",
">\n\nand Giuliani is the type that can't seem to keep his mouth shut lol",
">\n\nHe basically admitting that not only did people who shouldn't have seen them look at top secret documents but in all likelihood many of them brought them home.\nIf I was the FBI I'd bring this to the judge as probable cause to search half a dozen trump associate properties for top secret documents.",
">\n\nHe took documents home",
">\n\nAt least he never got caught.",
">\n\nI hear no one still knows about it!",
">\n\nEveryone knows people are saying that",
">\n\nRudy is trying to get paid for a 6 figure or maybe even 7 figure legal bill. So if he floats this idea at a time when the special prosecutor is tightening his noose he may get Trump to pay him. Birds of a feather. They truly deserve each other. Yuck!",
">\n\nSo who here thinks if Rudy is saying he didn't out of the cleat blue sky, someone should check it out?\nAlso... \"Vetting rich people?\" That is a really weird way of saying,\"picking cabinet members.\" That seems a little telling.",
">\n\nTranslation: \"Juicy Research to keep the person in line in case they think about turning\"",
">\n\nThis guy might be super stupid to confessing openly about this treason!",
">\n\nWorst case scenario he does 3-6 months in a privately operated prison for wealthy celebrities. He can admit to murder and offer evidence of it and it'd still be years before he served those 6 months",
">\n\nOur systems have totally failed us. Intelligence, DOJ and inmoral politicians who placed party and greed over country!",
">\n\n\nRudy Giuliani says Trump once told him to take top-secret documents home. Giuliani said the incident occurred just after Trump became president, when he was working at Mar-a-Lago. [emphasis mine]\n\nNot the least bit surprising.\nAlso wouldn't be surprising if it is ultimately discovered that Trump has been stealing classified documents and selling them to hostile foreign interests from the moment he first set foot in - and stained - the Oval Office w/his presence.\nI believe Trump's meetings w/Russian oligarchs, Putin, etc., where no U.S. press , or even a translator were allowed were tip offs, red flags that went ignored.",
">\n\nEver wonder why North Korea's Ballistic Missles started flying straighter and longer from the time after Trump started meeting with \"his favorite little dictator?\"",
">\n\nNo, you don't start to get empathy for what he told you to do. You did it, you complied, and you covered for it. You and all the other cronies should go right down with him. You don't get to come up later and point blame at him. You're just as despicable. Lock 'em all up!",
">\n\n\"Never got caught\"...yeah, he's totally innocent.",
">\n\nAlways figured Rudy would flip quickly.",
">\n\nNot to worry they were safely secured at the Four Seasons Total Landscaping in NE Philly",
">\n\nnah... the SCIF is at the Dildo Emporium.\nDo you even Top Secret dude?",
">\n\nRepublicans: Oh yeah! Well Champ advised Biden to take home Classified documents too!",
">\n\nsome mondays i can identify the specific thing that pushed me into \"i hate mondays\" mode. today it's the re-realization that rudy giuliani had access to real government secrets. rudy cousin-fucking giuliani.",
">\n\nHe is a lawyer. He cannot plead ignorance on matters of law.",
">\n\nPleading ignorance doesn’t work for anyone. If it did, Trump would be home free.",
">\n\nTrump is home free.",
">\n\nI have a hypothesis that Giuliani went after the Italian and Irish mafia in NYC to make way for the Russian mafia.",
">\n\nSounds possible. The timing is perfect.",
">\n\nGlad to know I'm not the only one who thinks the timing was perfect :)",
">\n\n\n\"He told me, 'Oh, take them home with you,'\" Giuliani said of Trump. \"I'm not going to take Wilbur Ross' tax returns home with me. I could misplace them!\"\n\"I — you know, I never, ever, ever, ever, ever, knowingly, and I never got caught — but I don't remember ever taking a doc,\" Giuliani added. He said he would place documents in a small safe at his desk in Mar-a-Lago to be worked on the next day.\nGiuliani also said top secret files are \"very, very strange the way they're put together\" and \"often are very small, but they contain a lot of information.\"\n\nThis guy is a liar and crook, so it’s hard to take anything he says seriously. That said, as someone who actually works with classified information regularly, he sounds like someone who has never been exposed to anything classified in his life. \nIndividuals’ tax returns are not classified. There may be sharing restrictions on them—and it’s probably prohibited for Giuliani to have had them at his disposal for whatever the hell kind of “vetting” he was doing, but that’s another matter—but that doesn’t make them classified. Certainly not “top secret” anyway. \nFurthermore, there is absolutely nothing strange about the composition of top secret files. They just get printed onto regular letter-sized paper. They are as big or as small as they need to be to make the point they’re aiming to make. If anything, they are artificially larger than they’d need to be because sometimes the author will break out less or more classified points into discrete paragraphs with different portion markings to allow the information to be shared appropriately in other contexts.",
">\n\nHad to scroll halfway through the comments to find this. Tax returns aren’t classified. And definitely not top secret."
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>
You get a top secret file. You get a top secret file. YOU ALL GET A TOP SECRET FILE!
Check under your seats.
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[
"Did Rudy have security clearance to even view those documents?",
">\n\nNone of Trumps top advisors (including all his kids) could pass security clearance standards.",
">\n\nYet they held them :P. At least Kushner did.",
">\n\nThey all did, Kushner was the one who immediately rose suspection.",
">\n\nTrump had to personally step in to grant Kush his clearance because he kept getting caught lying on his application forms.",
">\n\nHow did he give him clearance, just thinking about it?",
">\n\nHe just had to say . \"You now have top secret clearance . \"",
">\n\nI didn't know that Jabba the Hutt had jedi mind powers...",
">\n\nCome on, even the most corrupt crimelord in a Galaxy Far, Far Away paid his subcontractors and ran an efficient criminal enterprise.\nTrump managed to bankrupt a casino, and I still have yet to truly understand how he failed a place that is designed to seperate people from their money. Aside from being so shitty no one would be seen there which sounds about on par for his 'brand'.",
">\n\n\nTrump managed to bankrupt a casino,\n\nthats not quite accurate\ni think it was 3 casinos at least.",
">\n\n\nGiuliani also said top secret files are \"very, very strange the way they're put together\" and \"often are very small, but they contain a lot of information.\"\n\nFor the love of god please please shut up.",
">\n\nTalking about the formatting of top secret docs is literally giving away classified information. How is this guy not in prison yet?",
">\n\nThat guy was president.., that’s why.\nRemember when a game show host ran for president?\nDo you remember thinking it was a complete joke? \nAnd then that pathetic liar and ruiner of lives actually won?\nThat’s why… \n…cuz half of this country “hated school”…and is also ironically still stuck in high school",
">\n\n\nhalf of this country “hated school”…and is also ironically still stuck in high school\n\nThis hits hard. While there's no simple explanation for what's happening, I feel this hits the nail on the head. So much I think many \"conservatives\" and \"centrists\" would agree.",
">\n\n\nGiuliani said he was at Mar-a-Lago, working on \"vetting\" some \"very rich\" people — specifically, going through their tax returns for Trump. \n\nUm what?",
">\n\nVery legal. Very cool.",
">\n\nI mean, it's so casual for them to be doing this that they are talking about it openly. So I guess this is how our government is run?",
">\n\nWell It's how Trump's government was run.",
">\n\nReferring to a government under a certain president’s term as their government is common practice. Things and the procedures by which they happen change drastically with the new leader nearly every time.\nThough, to your point, it has been the same shitstorm for a while now.\nPointless comment over and out. o7",
">\n\nWhat is the play here by Giuliani… what is he up to",
">\n\nTrump didn't pay him for his work promoting the big lie and trying to get the election overturned, so....",
">\n\nThey definitely have mutual dirt on each other going back decades.\nThe idiot almost said as much in public, saying that he had \"insurance.\"\nIt kind of explains the desperation. Not the idiocy, though.",
">\n\nBut I don’t see endless headlines to get Julie in any legal trouble. I wonder if this is an attempt to save his own ass through some deal.",
">\n\nI'm just very confused. Giuliani had no right to look at classified documents, let alone take them home. Now he said he never took any home, but did he even read them? Just cause he's the President's lawyer, that doesn't automatically give some clearance right?",
">\n\nI’ve never seen that and wish I hadn’t to be honest. So gross.",
">\n\nDid they hand out top secret documents in maralargo like some sort of goodie bag? \nLike here is a diet coke, cheesburger Maga hat and some top secret satellite photos of Iranian nuke sites.",
">\n\n\"What's your net worth? Ooooh, nice! Have a complimentary nuclear secret!\"\n\"Dude, I just wanna know how to get to the pool.\"",
">\n\n\"He told me, 'Oh, take them home with you,'\" Giuliani said of Trump. \"I'm not going to take Wilbur Ross' tax returns home with me. I could misplace them!\"\n\"I — you know, I never, ever, ever, ever, ever, knowingly, and I never got caught — but I don't remember ever taking a doc,\" Giuliani added. He said he would place documents in a small safe at his desk in Mar-a-Lago to be worked on the next day.\nGiuliani also said top secret files are \"very, very strange the way they're put together\" and \"often are very small, but they contain a lot of information.\"",
">\n\nGiuliani sounds guilty as hell to me.",
">\n\n\nI never, ever ever ever ever\n\nWords of an innocent man I tell ya",
">\n\n\"and I never got caught\" lol",
">\n\nHe said the thing he wasn’t supposed to say out loud.",
">\n\nI believe at least two things are in play here.\n1st, and most importantly, Trump took those documents to sell nuclear secrets to the Saudis. I absolutely believe this happened.\nThe other is that Trump is a grandiose narcissistic braggart. He took those documents just so that he could brag to people that he has possession of TS documents.",
">\n\nIs there any reporting on the 1st assumption?",
">\n\nNothing that would stand up in court. Just circumstantial stuff as far as I know right now. There were apparently nuclear documents, but I don't know what type of information was in them, and we know about the Saudi involvement with Kushner and the golf tournament thing with Trump.",
">\n\nAh okay, just curious.",
">\n\nand Giuliani is the type that can't seem to keep his mouth shut lol",
">\n\nHe basically admitting that not only did people who shouldn't have seen them look at top secret documents but in all likelihood many of them brought them home.\nIf I was the FBI I'd bring this to the judge as probable cause to search half a dozen trump associate properties for top secret documents.",
">\n\nHe took documents home",
">\n\nAt least he never got caught.",
">\n\nI hear no one still knows about it!",
">\n\nEveryone knows people are saying that",
">\n\nRudy is trying to get paid for a 6 figure or maybe even 7 figure legal bill. So if he floats this idea at a time when the special prosecutor is tightening his noose he may get Trump to pay him. Birds of a feather. They truly deserve each other. Yuck!",
">\n\nSo who here thinks if Rudy is saying he didn't out of the cleat blue sky, someone should check it out?\nAlso... \"Vetting rich people?\" That is a really weird way of saying,\"picking cabinet members.\" That seems a little telling.",
">\n\nTranslation: \"Juicy Research to keep the person in line in case they think about turning\"",
">\n\nThis guy might be super stupid to confessing openly about this treason!",
">\n\nWorst case scenario he does 3-6 months in a privately operated prison for wealthy celebrities. He can admit to murder and offer evidence of it and it'd still be years before he served those 6 months",
">\n\nOur systems have totally failed us. Intelligence, DOJ and inmoral politicians who placed party and greed over country!",
">\n\n\nRudy Giuliani says Trump once told him to take top-secret documents home. Giuliani said the incident occurred just after Trump became president, when he was working at Mar-a-Lago. [emphasis mine]\n\nNot the least bit surprising.\nAlso wouldn't be surprising if it is ultimately discovered that Trump has been stealing classified documents and selling them to hostile foreign interests from the moment he first set foot in - and stained - the Oval Office w/his presence.\nI believe Trump's meetings w/Russian oligarchs, Putin, etc., where no U.S. press , or even a translator were allowed were tip offs, red flags that went ignored.",
">\n\nEver wonder why North Korea's Ballistic Missles started flying straighter and longer from the time after Trump started meeting with \"his favorite little dictator?\"",
">\n\nNo, you don't start to get empathy for what he told you to do. You did it, you complied, and you covered for it. You and all the other cronies should go right down with him. You don't get to come up later and point blame at him. You're just as despicable. Lock 'em all up!",
">\n\n\"Never got caught\"...yeah, he's totally innocent.",
">\n\nAlways figured Rudy would flip quickly.",
">\n\nNot to worry they were safely secured at the Four Seasons Total Landscaping in NE Philly",
">\n\nnah... the SCIF is at the Dildo Emporium.\nDo you even Top Secret dude?",
">\n\nRepublicans: Oh yeah! Well Champ advised Biden to take home Classified documents too!",
">\n\nsome mondays i can identify the specific thing that pushed me into \"i hate mondays\" mode. today it's the re-realization that rudy giuliani had access to real government secrets. rudy cousin-fucking giuliani.",
">\n\nHe is a lawyer. He cannot plead ignorance on matters of law.",
">\n\nPleading ignorance doesn’t work for anyone. If it did, Trump would be home free.",
">\n\nTrump is home free.",
">\n\nI have a hypothesis that Giuliani went after the Italian and Irish mafia in NYC to make way for the Russian mafia.",
">\n\nSounds possible. The timing is perfect.",
">\n\nGlad to know I'm not the only one who thinks the timing was perfect :)",
">\n\n\n\"He told me, 'Oh, take them home with you,'\" Giuliani said of Trump. \"I'm not going to take Wilbur Ross' tax returns home with me. I could misplace them!\"\n\"I — you know, I never, ever, ever, ever, ever, knowingly, and I never got caught — but I don't remember ever taking a doc,\" Giuliani added. He said he would place documents in a small safe at his desk in Mar-a-Lago to be worked on the next day.\nGiuliani also said top secret files are \"very, very strange the way they're put together\" and \"often are very small, but they contain a lot of information.\"\n\nThis guy is a liar and crook, so it’s hard to take anything he says seriously. That said, as someone who actually works with classified information regularly, he sounds like someone who has never been exposed to anything classified in his life. \nIndividuals’ tax returns are not classified. There may be sharing restrictions on them—and it’s probably prohibited for Giuliani to have had them at his disposal for whatever the hell kind of “vetting” he was doing, but that’s another matter—but that doesn’t make them classified. Certainly not “top secret” anyway. \nFurthermore, there is absolutely nothing strange about the composition of top secret files. They just get printed onto regular letter-sized paper. They are as big or as small as they need to be to make the point they’re aiming to make. If anything, they are artificially larger than they’d need to be because sometimes the author will break out less or more classified points into discrete paragraphs with different portion markings to allow the information to be shared appropriately in other contexts.",
">\n\nHad to scroll halfway through the comments to find this. Tax returns aren’t classified. And definitely not top secret.",
">\n\nThere ya go, Giuliani. Keep on a talkin'."
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YOU ALL GET A TOP SECRET FILE!
Please stop abusing all caps.
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[
"Did Rudy have security clearance to even view those documents?",
">\n\nNone of Trumps top advisors (including all his kids) could pass security clearance standards.",
">\n\nYet they held them :P. At least Kushner did.",
">\n\nThey all did, Kushner was the one who immediately rose suspection.",
">\n\nTrump had to personally step in to grant Kush his clearance because he kept getting caught lying on his application forms.",
">\n\nHow did he give him clearance, just thinking about it?",
">\n\nHe just had to say . \"You now have top secret clearance . \"",
">\n\nI didn't know that Jabba the Hutt had jedi mind powers...",
">\n\nCome on, even the most corrupt crimelord in a Galaxy Far, Far Away paid his subcontractors and ran an efficient criminal enterprise.\nTrump managed to bankrupt a casino, and I still have yet to truly understand how he failed a place that is designed to seperate people from their money. Aside from being so shitty no one would be seen there which sounds about on par for his 'brand'.",
">\n\n\nTrump managed to bankrupt a casino,\n\nthats not quite accurate\ni think it was 3 casinos at least.",
">\n\n\nGiuliani also said top secret files are \"very, very strange the way they're put together\" and \"often are very small, but they contain a lot of information.\"\n\nFor the love of god please please shut up.",
">\n\nTalking about the formatting of top secret docs is literally giving away classified information. How is this guy not in prison yet?",
">\n\nThat guy was president.., that’s why.\nRemember when a game show host ran for president?\nDo you remember thinking it was a complete joke? \nAnd then that pathetic liar and ruiner of lives actually won?\nThat’s why… \n…cuz half of this country “hated school”…and is also ironically still stuck in high school",
">\n\n\nhalf of this country “hated school”…and is also ironically still stuck in high school\n\nThis hits hard. While there's no simple explanation for what's happening, I feel this hits the nail on the head. So much I think many \"conservatives\" and \"centrists\" would agree.",
">\n\n\nGiuliani said he was at Mar-a-Lago, working on \"vetting\" some \"very rich\" people — specifically, going through their tax returns for Trump. \n\nUm what?",
">\n\nVery legal. Very cool.",
">\n\nI mean, it's so casual for them to be doing this that they are talking about it openly. So I guess this is how our government is run?",
">\n\nWell It's how Trump's government was run.",
">\n\nReferring to a government under a certain president’s term as their government is common practice. Things and the procedures by which they happen change drastically with the new leader nearly every time.\nThough, to your point, it has been the same shitstorm for a while now.\nPointless comment over and out. o7",
">\n\nWhat is the play here by Giuliani… what is he up to",
">\n\nTrump didn't pay him for his work promoting the big lie and trying to get the election overturned, so....",
">\n\nThey definitely have mutual dirt on each other going back decades.\nThe idiot almost said as much in public, saying that he had \"insurance.\"\nIt kind of explains the desperation. Not the idiocy, though.",
">\n\nBut I don’t see endless headlines to get Julie in any legal trouble. I wonder if this is an attempt to save his own ass through some deal.",
">\n\nI'm just very confused. Giuliani had no right to look at classified documents, let alone take them home. Now he said he never took any home, but did he even read them? Just cause he's the President's lawyer, that doesn't automatically give some clearance right?",
">\n\nI’ve never seen that and wish I hadn’t to be honest. So gross.",
">\n\nDid they hand out top secret documents in maralargo like some sort of goodie bag? \nLike here is a diet coke, cheesburger Maga hat and some top secret satellite photos of Iranian nuke sites.",
">\n\n\"What's your net worth? Ooooh, nice! Have a complimentary nuclear secret!\"\n\"Dude, I just wanna know how to get to the pool.\"",
">\n\n\"He told me, 'Oh, take them home with you,'\" Giuliani said of Trump. \"I'm not going to take Wilbur Ross' tax returns home with me. I could misplace them!\"\n\"I — you know, I never, ever, ever, ever, ever, knowingly, and I never got caught — but I don't remember ever taking a doc,\" Giuliani added. He said he would place documents in a small safe at his desk in Mar-a-Lago to be worked on the next day.\nGiuliani also said top secret files are \"very, very strange the way they're put together\" and \"often are very small, but they contain a lot of information.\"",
">\n\nGiuliani sounds guilty as hell to me.",
">\n\n\nI never, ever ever ever ever\n\nWords of an innocent man I tell ya",
">\n\n\"and I never got caught\" lol",
">\n\nHe said the thing he wasn’t supposed to say out loud.",
">\n\nI believe at least two things are in play here.\n1st, and most importantly, Trump took those documents to sell nuclear secrets to the Saudis. I absolutely believe this happened.\nThe other is that Trump is a grandiose narcissistic braggart. He took those documents just so that he could brag to people that he has possession of TS documents.",
">\n\nIs there any reporting on the 1st assumption?",
">\n\nNothing that would stand up in court. Just circumstantial stuff as far as I know right now. There were apparently nuclear documents, but I don't know what type of information was in them, and we know about the Saudi involvement with Kushner and the golf tournament thing with Trump.",
">\n\nAh okay, just curious.",
">\n\nand Giuliani is the type that can't seem to keep his mouth shut lol",
">\n\nHe basically admitting that not only did people who shouldn't have seen them look at top secret documents but in all likelihood many of them brought them home.\nIf I was the FBI I'd bring this to the judge as probable cause to search half a dozen trump associate properties for top secret documents.",
">\n\nHe took documents home",
">\n\nAt least he never got caught.",
">\n\nI hear no one still knows about it!",
">\n\nEveryone knows people are saying that",
">\n\nRudy is trying to get paid for a 6 figure or maybe even 7 figure legal bill. So if he floats this idea at a time when the special prosecutor is tightening his noose he may get Trump to pay him. Birds of a feather. They truly deserve each other. Yuck!",
">\n\nSo who here thinks if Rudy is saying he didn't out of the cleat blue sky, someone should check it out?\nAlso... \"Vetting rich people?\" That is a really weird way of saying,\"picking cabinet members.\" That seems a little telling.",
">\n\nTranslation: \"Juicy Research to keep the person in line in case they think about turning\"",
">\n\nThis guy might be super stupid to confessing openly about this treason!",
">\n\nWorst case scenario he does 3-6 months in a privately operated prison for wealthy celebrities. He can admit to murder and offer evidence of it and it'd still be years before he served those 6 months",
">\n\nOur systems have totally failed us. Intelligence, DOJ and inmoral politicians who placed party and greed over country!",
">\n\n\nRudy Giuliani says Trump once told him to take top-secret documents home. Giuliani said the incident occurred just after Trump became president, when he was working at Mar-a-Lago. [emphasis mine]\n\nNot the least bit surprising.\nAlso wouldn't be surprising if it is ultimately discovered that Trump has been stealing classified documents and selling them to hostile foreign interests from the moment he first set foot in - and stained - the Oval Office w/his presence.\nI believe Trump's meetings w/Russian oligarchs, Putin, etc., where no U.S. press , or even a translator were allowed were tip offs, red flags that went ignored.",
">\n\nEver wonder why North Korea's Ballistic Missles started flying straighter and longer from the time after Trump started meeting with \"his favorite little dictator?\"",
">\n\nNo, you don't start to get empathy for what he told you to do. You did it, you complied, and you covered for it. You and all the other cronies should go right down with him. You don't get to come up later and point blame at him. You're just as despicable. Lock 'em all up!",
">\n\n\"Never got caught\"...yeah, he's totally innocent.",
">\n\nAlways figured Rudy would flip quickly.",
">\n\nNot to worry they were safely secured at the Four Seasons Total Landscaping in NE Philly",
">\n\nnah... the SCIF is at the Dildo Emporium.\nDo you even Top Secret dude?",
">\n\nRepublicans: Oh yeah! Well Champ advised Biden to take home Classified documents too!",
">\n\nsome mondays i can identify the specific thing that pushed me into \"i hate mondays\" mode. today it's the re-realization that rudy giuliani had access to real government secrets. rudy cousin-fucking giuliani.",
">\n\nHe is a lawyer. He cannot plead ignorance on matters of law.",
">\n\nPleading ignorance doesn’t work for anyone. If it did, Trump would be home free.",
">\n\nTrump is home free.",
">\n\nI have a hypothesis that Giuliani went after the Italian and Irish mafia in NYC to make way for the Russian mafia.",
">\n\nSounds possible. The timing is perfect.",
">\n\nGlad to know I'm not the only one who thinks the timing was perfect :)",
">\n\n\n\"He told me, 'Oh, take them home with you,'\" Giuliani said of Trump. \"I'm not going to take Wilbur Ross' tax returns home with me. I could misplace them!\"\n\"I — you know, I never, ever, ever, ever, ever, knowingly, and I never got caught — but I don't remember ever taking a doc,\" Giuliani added. He said he would place documents in a small safe at his desk in Mar-a-Lago to be worked on the next day.\nGiuliani also said top secret files are \"very, very strange the way they're put together\" and \"often are very small, but they contain a lot of information.\"\n\nThis guy is a liar and crook, so it’s hard to take anything he says seriously. That said, as someone who actually works with classified information regularly, he sounds like someone who has never been exposed to anything classified in his life. \nIndividuals’ tax returns are not classified. There may be sharing restrictions on them—and it’s probably prohibited for Giuliani to have had them at his disposal for whatever the hell kind of “vetting” he was doing, but that’s another matter—but that doesn’t make them classified. Certainly not “top secret” anyway. \nFurthermore, there is absolutely nothing strange about the composition of top secret files. They just get printed onto regular letter-sized paper. They are as big or as small as they need to be to make the point they’re aiming to make. If anything, they are artificially larger than they’d need to be because sometimes the author will break out less or more classified points into discrete paragraphs with different portion markings to allow the information to be shared appropriately in other contexts.",
">\n\nHad to scroll halfway through the comments to find this. Tax returns aren’t classified. And definitely not top secret.",
">\n\nThere ya go, Giuliani. Keep on a talkin'.",
">\n\nYou get a top secret file. You get a top secret file. YOU ALL GET A TOP SECRET FILE!\nCheck under your seats."
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Pay your lawyers Donnie.
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[
"Did Rudy have security clearance to even view those documents?",
">\n\nNone of Trumps top advisors (including all his kids) could pass security clearance standards.",
">\n\nYet they held them :P. At least Kushner did.",
">\n\nThey all did, Kushner was the one who immediately rose suspection.",
">\n\nTrump had to personally step in to grant Kush his clearance because he kept getting caught lying on his application forms.",
">\n\nHow did he give him clearance, just thinking about it?",
">\n\nHe just had to say . \"You now have top secret clearance . \"",
">\n\nI didn't know that Jabba the Hutt had jedi mind powers...",
">\n\nCome on, even the most corrupt crimelord in a Galaxy Far, Far Away paid his subcontractors and ran an efficient criminal enterprise.\nTrump managed to bankrupt a casino, and I still have yet to truly understand how he failed a place that is designed to seperate people from their money. Aside from being so shitty no one would be seen there which sounds about on par for his 'brand'.",
">\n\n\nTrump managed to bankrupt a casino,\n\nthats not quite accurate\ni think it was 3 casinos at least.",
">\n\n\nGiuliani also said top secret files are \"very, very strange the way they're put together\" and \"often are very small, but they contain a lot of information.\"\n\nFor the love of god please please shut up.",
">\n\nTalking about the formatting of top secret docs is literally giving away classified information. How is this guy not in prison yet?",
">\n\nThat guy was president.., that’s why.\nRemember when a game show host ran for president?\nDo you remember thinking it was a complete joke? \nAnd then that pathetic liar and ruiner of lives actually won?\nThat’s why… \n…cuz half of this country “hated school”…and is also ironically still stuck in high school",
">\n\n\nhalf of this country “hated school”…and is also ironically still stuck in high school\n\nThis hits hard. While there's no simple explanation for what's happening, I feel this hits the nail on the head. So much I think many \"conservatives\" and \"centrists\" would agree.",
">\n\n\nGiuliani said he was at Mar-a-Lago, working on \"vetting\" some \"very rich\" people — specifically, going through their tax returns for Trump. \n\nUm what?",
">\n\nVery legal. Very cool.",
">\n\nI mean, it's so casual for them to be doing this that they are talking about it openly. So I guess this is how our government is run?",
">\n\nWell It's how Trump's government was run.",
">\n\nReferring to a government under a certain president’s term as their government is common practice. Things and the procedures by which they happen change drastically with the new leader nearly every time.\nThough, to your point, it has been the same shitstorm for a while now.\nPointless comment over and out. o7",
">\n\nWhat is the play here by Giuliani… what is he up to",
">\n\nTrump didn't pay him for his work promoting the big lie and trying to get the election overturned, so....",
">\n\nThey definitely have mutual dirt on each other going back decades.\nThe idiot almost said as much in public, saying that he had \"insurance.\"\nIt kind of explains the desperation. Not the idiocy, though.",
">\n\nBut I don’t see endless headlines to get Julie in any legal trouble. I wonder if this is an attempt to save his own ass through some deal.",
">\n\nI'm just very confused. Giuliani had no right to look at classified documents, let alone take them home. Now he said he never took any home, but did he even read them? Just cause he's the President's lawyer, that doesn't automatically give some clearance right?",
">\n\nI’ve never seen that and wish I hadn’t to be honest. So gross.",
">\n\nDid they hand out top secret documents in maralargo like some sort of goodie bag? \nLike here is a diet coke, cheesburger Maga hat and some top secret satellite photos of Iranian nuke sites.",
">\n\n\"What's your net worth? Ooooh, nice! Have a complimentary nuclear secret!\"\n\"Dude, I just wanna know how to get to the pool.\"",
">\n\n\"He told me, 'Oh, take them home with you,'\" Giuliani said of Trump. \"I'm not going to take Wilbur Ross' tax returns home with me. I could misplace them!\"\n\"I — you know, I never, ever, ever, ever, ever, knowingly, and I never got caught — but I don't remember ever taking a doc,\" Giuliani added. He said he would place documents in a small safe at his desk in Mar-a-Lago to be worked on the next day.\nGiuliani also said top secret files are \"very, very strange the way they're put together\" and \"often are very small, but they contain a lot of information.\"",
">\n\nGiuliani sounds guilty as hell to me.",
">\n\n\nI never, ever ever ever ever\n\nWords of an innocent man I tell ya",
">\n\n\"and I never got caught\" lol",
">\n\nHe said the thing he wasn’t supposed to say out loud.",
">\n\nI believe at least two things are in play here.\n1st, and most importantly, Trump took those documents to sell nuclear secrets to the Saudis. I absolutely believe this happened.\nThe other is that Trump is a grandiose narcissistic braggart. He took those documents just so that he could brag to people that he has possession of TS documents.",
">\n\nIs there any reporting on the 1st assumption?",
">\n\nNothing that would stand up in court. Just circumstantial stuff as far as I know right now. There were apparently nuclear documents, but I don't know what type of information was in them, and we know about the Saudi involvement with Kushner and the golf tournament thing with Trump.",
">\n\nAh okay, just curious.",
">\n\nand Giuliani is the type that can't seem to keep his mouth shut lol",
">\n\nHe basically admitting that not only did people who shouldn't have seen them look at top secret documents but in all likelihood many of them brought them home.\nIf I was the FBI I'd bring this to the judge as probable cause to search half a dozen trump associate properties for top secret documents.",
">\n\nHe took documents home",
">\n\nAt least he never got caught.",
">\n\nI hear no one still knows about it!",
">\n\nEveryone knows people are saying that",
">\n\nRudy is trying to get paid for a 6 figure or maybe even 7 figure legal bill. So if he floats this idea at a time when the special prosecutor is tightening his noose he may get Trump to pay him. Birds of a feather. They truly deserve each other. Yuck!",
">\n\nSo who here thinks if Rudy is saying he didn't out of the cleat blue sky, someone should check it out?\nAlso... \"Vetting rich people?\" That is a really weird way of saying,\"picking cabinet members.\" That seems a little telling.",
">\n\nTranslation: \"Juicy Research to keep the person in line in case they think about turning\"",
">\n\nThis guy might be super stupid to confessing openly about this treason!",
">\n\nWorst case scenario he does 3-6 months in a privately operated prison for wealthy celebrities. He can admit to murder and offer evidence of it and it'd still be years before he served those 6 months",
">\n\nOur systems have totally failed us. Intelligence, DOJ and inmoral politicians who placed party and greed over country!",
">\n\n\nRudy Giuliani says Trump once told him to take top-secret documents home. Giuliani said the incident occurred just after Trump became president, when he was working at Mar-a-Lago. [emphasis mine]\n\nNot the least bit surprising.\nAlso wouldn't be surprising if it is ultimately discovered that Trump has been stealing classified documents and selling them to hostile foreign interests from the moment he first set foot in - and stained - the Oval Office w/his presence.\nI believe Trump's meetings w/Russian oligarchs, Putin, etc., where no U.S. press , or even a translator were allowed were tip offs, red flags that went ignored.",
">\n\nEver wonder why North Korea's Ballistic Missles started flying straighter and longer from the time after Trump started meeting with \"his favorite little dictator?\"",
">\n\nNo, you don't start to get empathy for what he told you to do. You did it, you complied, and you covered for it. You and all the other cronies should go right down with him. You don't get to come up later and point blame at him. You're just as despicable. Lock 'em all up!",
">\n\n\"Never got caught\"...yeah, he's totally innocent.",
">\n\nAlways figured Rudy would flip quickly.",
">\n\nNot to worry they were safely secured at the Four Seasons Total Landscaping in NE Philly",
">\n\nnah... the SCIF is at the Dildo Emporium.\nDo you even Top Secret dude?",
">\n\nRepublicans: Oh yeah! Well Champ advised Biden to take home Classified documents too!",
">\n\nsome mondays i can identify the specific thing that pushed me into \"i hate mondays\" mode. today it's the re-realization that rudy giuliani had access to real government secrets. rudy cousin-fucking giuliani.",
">\n\nHe is a lawyer. He cannot plead ignorance on matters of law.",
">\n\nPleading ignorance doesn’t work for anyone. If it did, Trump would be home free.",
">\n\nTrump is home free.",
">\n\nI have a hypothesis that Giuliani went after the Italian and Irish mafia in NYC to make way for the Russian mafia.",
">\n\nSounds possible. The timing is perfect.",
">\n\nGlad to know I'm not the only one who thinks the timing was perfect :)",
">\n\n\n\"He told me, 'Oh, take them home with you,'\" Giuliani said of Trump. \"I'm not going to take Wilbur Ross' tax returns home with me. I could misplace them!\"\n\"I — you know, I never, ever, ever, ever, ever, knowingly, and I never got caught — but I don't remember ever taking a doc,\" Giuliani added. He said he would place documents in a small safe at his desk in Mar-a-Lago to be worked on the next day.\nGiuliani also said top secret files are \"very, very strange the way they're put together\" and \"often are very small, but they contain a lot of information.\"\n\nThis guy is a liar and crook, so it’s hard to take anything he says seriously. That said, as someone who actually works with classified information regularly, he sounds like someone who has never been exposed to anything classified in his life. \nIndividuals’ tax returns are not classified. There may be sharing restrictions on them—and it’s probably prohibited for Giuliani to have had them at his disposal for whatever the hell kind of “vetting” he was doing, but that’s another matter—but that doesn’t make them classified. Certainly not “top secret” anyway. \nFurthermore, there is absolutely nothing strange about the composition of top secret files. They just get printed onto regular letter-sized paper. They are as big or as small as they need to be to make the point they’re aiming to make. If anything, they are artificially larger than they’d need to be because sometimes the author will break out less or more classified points into discrete paragraphs with different portion markings to allow the information to be shared appropriately in other contexts.",
">\n\nHad to scroll halfway through the comments to find this. Tax returns aren’t classified. And definitely not top secret.",
">\n\nThere ya go, Giuliani. Keep on a talkin'.",
">\n\nYou get a top secret file. You get a top secret file. YOU ALL GET A TOP SECRET FILE!\nCheck under your seats.",
">\n\n\nYOU ALL GET A TOP SECRET FILE!\n\nPlease stop abusing all caps."
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All the little shit birds are singing.
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[
"Did Rudy have security clearance to even view those documents?",
">\n\nNone of Trumps top advisors (including all his kids) could pass security clearance standards.",
">\n\nYet they held them :P. At least Kushner did.",
">\n\nThey all did, Kushner was the one who immediately rose suspection.",
">\n\nTrump had to personally step in to grant Kush his clearance because he kept getting caught lying on his application forms.",
">\n\nHow did he give him clearance, just thinking about it?",
">\n\nHe just had to say . \"You now have top secret clearance . \"",
">\n\nI didn't know that Jabba the Hutt had jedi mind powers...",
">\n\nCome on, even the most corrupt crimelord in a Galaxy Far, Far Away paid his subcontractors and ran an efficient criminal enterprise.\nTrump managed to bankrupt a casino, and I still have yet to truly understand how he failed a place that is designed to seperate people from their money. Aside from being so shitty no one would be seen there which sounds about on par for his 'brand'.",
">\n\n\nTrump managed to bankrupt a casino,\n\nthats not quite accurate\ni think it was 3 casinos at least.",
">\n\n\nGiuliani also said top secret files are \"very, very strange the way they're put together\" and \"often are very small, but they contain a lot of information.\"\n\nFor the love of god please please shut up.",
">\n\nTalking about the formatting of top secret docs is literally giving away classified information. How is this guy not in prison yet?",
">\n\nThat guy was president.., that’s why.\nRemember when a game show host ran for president?\nDo you remember thinking it was a complete joke? \nAnd then that pathetic liar and ruiner of lives actually won?\nThat’s why… \n…cuz half of this country “hated school”…and is also ironically still stuck in high school",
">\n\n\nhalf of this country “hated school”…and is also ironically still stuck in high school\n\nThis hits hard. While there's no simple explanation for what's happening, I feel this hits the nail on the head. So much I think many \"conservatives\" and \"centrists\" would agree.",
">\n\n\nGiuliani said he was at Mar-a-Lago, working on \"vetting\" some \"very rich\" people — specifically, going through their tax returns for Trump. \n\nUm what?",
">\n\nVery legal. Very cool.",
">\n\nI mean, it's so casual for them to be doing this that they are talking about it openly. So I guess this is how our government is run?",
">\n\nWell It's how Trump's government was run.",
">\n\nReferring to a government under a certain president’s term as their government is common practice. Things and the procedures by which they happen change drastically with the new leader nearly every time.\nThough, to your point, it has been the same shitstorm for a while now.\nPointless comment over and out. o7",
">\n\nWhat is the play here by Giuliani… what is he up to",
">\n\nTrump didn't pay him for his work promoting the big lie and trying to get the election overturned, so....",
">\n\nThey definitely have mutual dirt on each other going back decades.\nThe idiot almost said as much in public, saying that he had \"insurance.\"\nIt kind of explains the desperation. Not the idiocy, though.",
">\n\nBut I don’t see endless headlines to get Julie in any legal trouble. I wonder if this is an attempt to save his own ass through some deal.",
">\n\nI'm just very confused. Giuliani had no right to look at classified documents, let alone take them home. Now he said he never took any home, but did he even read them? Just cause he's the President's lawyer, that doesn't automatically give some clearance right?",
">\n\nI’ve never seen that and wish I hadn’t to be honest. So gross.",
">\n\nDid they hand out top secret documents in maralargo like some sort of goodie bag? \nLike here is a diet coke, cheesburger Maga hat and some top secret satellite photos of Iranian nuke sites.",
">\n\n\"What's your net worth? Ooooh, nice! Have a complimentary nuclear secret!\"\n\"Dude, I just wanna know how to get to the pool.\"",
">\n\n\"He told me, 'Oh, take them home with you,'\" Giuliani said of Trump. \"I'm not going to take Wilbur Ross' tax returns home with me. I could misplace them!\"\n\"I — you know, I never, ever, ever, ever, ever, knowingly, and I never got caught — but I don't remember ever taking a doc,\" Giuliani added. He said he would place documents in a small safe at his desk in Mar-a-Lago to be worked on the next day.\nGiuliani also said top secret files are \"very, very strange the way they're put together\" and \"often are very small, but they contain a lot of information.\"",
">\n\nGiuliani sounds guilty as hell to me.",
">\n\n\nI never, ever ever ever ever\n\nWords of an innocent man I tell ya",
">\n\n\"and I never got caught\" lol",
">\n\nHe said the thing he wasn’t supposed to say out loud.",
">\n\nI believe at least two things are in play here.\n1st, and most importantly, Trump took those documents to sell nuclear secrets to the Saudis. I absolutely believe this happened.\nThe other is that Trump is a grandiose narcissistic braggart. He took those documents just so that he could brag to people that he has possession of TS documents.",
">\n\nIs there any reporting on the 1st assumption?",
">\n\nNothing that would stand up in court. Just circumstantial stuff as far as I know right now. There were apparently nuclear documents, but I don't know what type of information was in them, and we know about the Saudi involvement with Kushner and the golf tournament thing with Trump.",
">\n\nAh okay, just curious.",
">\n\nand Giuliani is the type that can't seem to keep his mouth shut lol",
">\n\nHe basically admitting that not only did people who shouldn't have seen them look at top secret documents but in all likelihood many of them brought them home.\nIf I was the FBI I'd bring this to the judge as probable cause to search half a dozen trump associate properties for top secret documents.",
">\n\nHe took documents home",
">\n\nAt least he never got caught.",
">\n\nI hear no one still knows about it!",
">\n\nEveryone knows people are saying that",
">\n\nRudy is trying to get paid for a 6 figure or maybe even 7 figure legal bill. So if he floats this idea at a time when the special prosecutor is tightening his noose he may get Trump to pay him. Birds of a feather. They truly deserve each other. Yuck!",
">\n\nSo who here thinks if Rudy is saying he didn't out of the cleat blue sky, someone should check it out?\nAlso... \"Vetting rich people?\" That is a really weird way of saying,\"picking cabinet members.\" That seems a little telling.",
">\n\nTranslation: \"Juicy Research to keep the person in line in case they think about turning\"",
">\n\nThis guy might be super stupid to confessing openly about this treason!",
">\n\nWorst case scenario he does 3-6 months in a privately operated prison for wealthy celebrities. He can admit to murder and offer evidence of it and it'd still be years before he served those 6 months",
">\n\nOur systems have totally failed us. Intelligence, DOJ and inmoral politicians who placed party and greed over country!",
">\n\n\nRudy Giuliani says Trump once told him to take top-secret documents home. Giuliani said the incident occurred just after Trump became president, when he was working at Mar-a-Lago. [emphasis mine]\n\nNot the least bit surprising.\nAlso wouldn't be surprising if it is ultimately discovered that Trump has been stealing classified documents and selling them to hostile foreign interests from the moment he first set foot in - and stained - the Oval Office w/his presence.\nI believe Trump's meetings w/Russian oligarchs, Putin, etc., where no U.S. press , or even a translator were allowed were tip offs, red flags that went ignored.",
">\n\nEver wonder why North Korea's Ballistic Missles started flying straighter and longer from the time after Trump started meeting with \"his favorite little dictator?\"",
">\n\nNo, you don't start to get empathy for what he told you to do. You did it, you complied, and you covered for it. You and all the other cronies should go right down with him. You don't get to come up later and point blame at him. You're just as despicable. Lock 'em all up!",
">\n\n\"Never got caught\"...yeah, he's totally innocent.",
">\n\nAlways figured Rudy would flip quickly.",
">\n\nNot to worry they were safely secured at the Four Seasons Total Landscaping in NE Philly",
">\n\nnah... the SCIF is at the Dildo Emporium.\nDo you even Top Secret dude?",
">\n\nRepublicans: Oh yeah! Well Champ advised Biden to take home Classified documents too!",
">\n\nsome mondays i can identify the specific thing that pushed me into \"i hate mondays\" mode. today it's the re-realization that rudy giuliani had access to real government secrets. rudy cousin-fucking giuliani.",
">\n\nHe is a lawyer. He cannot plead ignorance on matters of law.",
">\n\nPleading ignorance doesn’t work for anyone. If it did, Trump would be home free.",
">\n\nTrump is home free.",
">\n\nI have a hypothesis that Giuliani went after the Italian and Irish mafia in NYC to make way for the Russian mafia.",
">\n\nSounds possible. The timing is perfect.",
">\n\nGlad to know I'm not the only one who thinks the timing was perfect :)",
">\n\n\n\"He told me, 'Oh, take them home with you,'\" Giuliani said of Trump. \"I'm not going to take Wilbur Ross' tax returns home with me. I could misplace them!\"\n\"I — you know, I never, ever, ever, ever, ever, knowingly, and I never got caught — but I don't remember ever taking a doc,\" Giuliani added. He said he would place documents in a small safe at his desk in Mar-a-Lago to be worked on the next day.\nGiuliani also said top secret files are \"very, very strange the way they're put together\" and \"often are very small, but they contain a lot of information.\"\n\nThis guy is a liar and crook, so it’s hard to take anything he says seriously. That said, as someone who actually works with classified information regularly, he sounds like someone who has never been exposed to anything classified in his life. \nIndividuals’ tax returns are not classified. There may be sharing restrictions on them—and it’s probably prohibited for Giuliani to have had them at his disposal for whatever the hell kind of “vetting” he was doing, but that’s another matter—but that doesn’t make them classified. Certainly not “top secret” anyway. \nFurthermore, there is absolutely nothing strange about the composition of top secret files. They just get printed onto regular letter-sized paper. They are as big or as small as they need to be to make the point they’re aiming to make. If anything, they are artificially larger than they’d need to be because sometimes the author will break out less or more classified points into discrete paragraphs with different portion markings to allow the information to be shared appropriately in other contexts.",
">\n\nHad to scroll halfway through the comments to find this. Tax returns aren’t classified. And definitely not top secret.",
">\n\nThere ya go, Giuliani. Keep on a talkin'.",
">\n\nYou get a top secret file. You get a top secret file. YOU ALL GET A TOP SECRET FILE!\nCheck under your seats.",
">\n\n\nYOU ALL GET A TOP SECRET FILE!\n\nPlease stop abusing all caps.",
">\n\nPay your lawyers Donnie."
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How nerve racking it must be to know your cohorts can flip on you as soon as they need to save their own ass or deem you too dangerous in association.
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[
"Did Rudy have security clearance to even view those documents?",
">\n\nNone of Trumps top advisors (including all his kids) could pass security clearance standards.",
">\n\nYet they held them :P. At least Kushner did.",
">\n\nThey all did, Kushner was the one who immediately rose suspection.",
">\n\nTrump had to personally step in to grant Kush his clearance because he kept getting caught lying on his application forms.",
">\n\nHow did he give him clearance, just thinking about it?",
">\n\nHe just had to say . \"You now have top secret clearance . \"",
">\n\nI didn't know that Jabba the Hutt had jedi mind powers...",
">\n\nCome on, even the most corrupt crimelord in a Galaxy Far, Far Away paid his subcontractors and ran an efficient criminal enterprise.\nTrump managed to bankrupt a casino, and I still have yet to truly understand how he failed a place that is designed to seperate people from their money. Aside from being so shitty no one would be seen there which sounds about on par for his 'brand'.",
">\n\n\nTrump managed to bankrupt a casino,\n\nthats not quite accurate\ni think it was 3 casinos at least.",
">\n\n\nGiuliani also said top secret files are \"very, very strange the way they're put together\" and \"often are very small, but they contain a lot of information.\"\n\nFor the love of god please please shut up.",
">\n\nTalking about the formatting of top secret docs is literally giving away classified information. How is this guy not in prison yet?",
">\n\nThat guy was president.., that’s why.\nRemember when a game show host ran for president?\nDo you remember thinking it was a complete joke? \nAnd then that pathetic liar and ruiner of lives actually won?\nThat’s why… \n…cuz half of this country “hated school”…and is also ironically still stuck in high school",
">\n\n\nhalf of this country “hated school”…and is also ironically still stuck in high school\n\nThis hits hard. While there's no simple explanation for what's happening, I feel this hits the nail on the head. So much I think many \"conservatives\" and \"centrists\" would agree.",
">\n\n\nGiuliani said he was at Mar-a-Lago, working on \"vetting\" some \"very rich\" people — specifically, going through their tax returns for Trump. \n\nUm what?",
">\n\nVery legal. Very cool.",
">\n\nI mean, it's so casual for them to be doing this that they are talking about it openly. So I guess this is how our government is run?",
">\n\nWell It's how Trump's government was run.",
">\n\nReferring to a government under a certain president’s term as their government is common practice. Things and the procedures by which they happen change drastically with the new leader nearly every time.\nThough, to your point, it has been the same shitstorm for a while now.\nPointless comment over and out. o7",
">\n\nWhat is the play here by Giuliani… what is he up to",
">\n\nTrump didn't pay him for his work promoting the big lie and trying to get the election overturned, so....",
">\n\nThey definitely have mutual dirt on each other going back decades.\nThe idiot almost said as much in public, saying that he had \"insurance.\"\nIt kind of explains the desperation. Not the idiocy, though.",
">\n\nBut I don’t see endless headlines to get Julie in any legal trouble. I wonder if this is an attempt to save his own ass through some deal.",
">\n\nI'm just very confused. Giuliani had no right to look at classified documents, let alone take them home. Now he said he never took any home, but did he even read them? Just cause he's the President's lawyer, that doesn't automatically give some clearance right?",
">\n\nI’ve never seen that and wish I hadn’t to be honest. So gross.",
">\n\nDid they hand out top secret documents in maralargo like some sort of goodie bag? \nLike here is a diet coke, cheesburger Maga hat and some top secret satellite photos of Iranian nuke sites.",
">\n\n\"What's your net worth? Ooooh, nice! Have a complimentary nuclear secret!\"\n\"Dude, I just wanna know how to get to the pool.\"",
">\n\n\"He told me, 'Oh, take them home with you,'\" Giuliani said of Trump. \"I'm not going to take Wilbur Ross' tax returns home with me. I could misplace them!\"\n\"I — you know, I never, ever, ever, ever, ever, knowingly, and I never got caught — but I don't remember ever taking a doc,\" Giuliani added. He said he would place documents in a small safe at his desk in Mar-a-Lago to be worked on the next day.\nGiuliani also said top secret files are \"very, very strange the way they're put together\" and \"often are very small, but they contain a lot of information.\"",
">\n\nGiuliani sounds guilty as hell to me.",
">\n\n\nI never, ever ever ever ever\n\nWords of an innocent man I tell ya",
">\n\n\"and I never got caught\" lol",
">\n\nHe said the thing he wasn’t supposed to say out loud.",
">\n\nI believe at least two things are in play here.\n1st, and most importantly, Trump took those documents to sell nuclear secrets to the Saudis. I absolutely believe this happened.\nThe other is that Trump is a grandiose narcissistic braggart. He took those documents just so that he could brag to people that he has possession of TS documents.",
">\n\nIs there any reporting on the 1st assumption?",
">\n\nNothing that would stand up in court. Just circumstantial stuff as far as I know right now. There were apparently nuclear documents, but I don't know what type of information was in them, and we know about the Saudi involvement with Kushner and the golf tournament thing with Trump.",
">\n\nAh okay, just curious.",
">\n\nand Giuliani is the type that can't seem to keep his mouth shut lol",
">\n\nHe basically admitting that not only did people who shouldn't have seen them look at top secret documents but in all likelihood many of them brought them home.\nIf I was the FBI I'd bring this to the judge as probable cause to search half a dozen trump associate properties for top secret documents.",
">\n\nHe took documents home",
">\n\nAt least he never got caught.",
">\n\nI hear no one still knows about it!",
">\n\nEveryone knows people are saying that",
">\n\nRudy is trying to get paid for a 6 figure or maybe even 7 figure legal bill. So if he floats this idea at a time when the special prosecutor is tightening his noose he may get Trump to pay him. Birds of a feather. They truly deserve each other. Yuck!",
">\n\nSo who here thinks if Rudy is saying he didn't out of the cleat blue sky, someone should check it out?\nAlso... \"Vetting rich people?\" That is a really weird way of saying,\"picking cabinet members.\" That seems a little telling.",
">\n\nTranslation: \"Juicy Research to keep the person in line in case they think about turning\"",
">\n\nThis guy might be super stupid to confessing openly about this treason!",
">\n\nWorst case scenario he does 3-6 months in a privately operated prison for wealthy celebrities. He can admit to murder and offer evidence of it and it'd still be years before he served those 6 months",
">\n\nOur systems have totally failed us. Intelligence, DOJ and inmoral politicians who placed party and greed over country!",
">\n\n\nRudy Giuliani says Trump once told him to take top-secret documents home. Giuliani said the incident occurred just after Trump became president, when he was working at Mar-a-Lago. [emphasis mine]\n\nNot the least bit surprising.\nAlso wouldn't be surprising if it is ultimately discovered that Trump has been stealing classified documents and selling them to hostile foreign interests from the moment he first set foot in - and stained - the Oval Office w/his presence.\nI believe Trump's meetings w/Russian oligarchs, Putin, etc., where no U.S. press , or even a translator were allowed were tip offs, red flags that went ignored.",
">\n\nEver wonder why North Korea's Ballistic Missles started flying straighter and longer from the time after Trump started meeting with \"his favorite little dictator?\"",
">\n\nNo, you don't start to get empathy for what he told you to do. You did it, you complied, and you covered for it. You and all the other cronies should go right down with him. You don't get to come up later and point blame at him. You're just as despicable. Lock 'em all up!",
">\n\n\"Never got caught\"...yeah, he's totally innocent.",
">\n\nAlways figured Rudy would flip quickly.",
">\n\nNot to worry they were safely secured at the Four Seasons Total Landscaping in NE Philly",
">\n\nnah... the SCIF is at the Dildo Emporium.\nDo you even Top Secret dude?",
">\n\nRepublicans: Oh yeah! Well Champ advised Biden to take home Classified documents too!",
">\n\nsome mondays i can identify the specific thing that pushed me into \"i hate mondays\" mode. today it's the re-realization that rudy giuliani had access to real government secrets. rudy cousin-fucking giuliani.",
">\n\nHe is a lawyer. He cannot plead ignorance on matters of law.",
">\n\nPleading ignorance doesn’t work for anyone. If it did, Trump would be home free.",
">\n\nTrump is home free.",
">\n\nI have a hypothesis that Giuliani went after the Italian and Irish mafia in NYC to make way for the Russian mafia.",
">\n\nSounds possible. The timing is perfect.",
">\n\nGlad to know I'm not the only one who thinks the timing was perfect :)",
">\n\n\n\"He told me, 'Oh, take them home with you,'\" Giuliani said of Trump. \"I'm not going to take Wilbur Ross' tax returns home with me. I could misplace them!\"\n\"I — you know, I never, ever, ever, ever, ever, knowingly, and I never got caught — but I don't remember ever taking a doc,\" Giuliani added. He said he would place documents in a small safe at his desk in Mar-a-Lago to be worked on the next day.\nGiuliani also said top secret files are \"very, very strange the way they're put together\" and \"often are very small, but they contain a lot of information.\"\n\nThis guy is a liar and crook, so it’s hard to take anything he says seriously. That said, as someone who actually works with classified information regularly, he sounds like someone who has never been exposed to anything classified in his life. \nIndividuals’ tax returns are not classified. There may be sharing restrictions on them—and it’s probably prohibited for Giuliani to have had them at his disposal for whatever the hell kind of “vetting” he was doing, but that’s another matter—but that doesn’t make them classified. Certainly not “top secret” anyway. \nFurthermore, there is absolutely nothing strange about the composition of top secret files. They just get printed onto regular letter-sized paper. They are as big or as small as they need to be to make the point they’re aiming to make. If anything, they are artificially larger than they’d need to be because sometimes the author will break out less or more classified points into discrete paragraphs with different portion markings to allow the information to be shared appropriately in other contexts.",
">\n\nHad to scroll halfway through the comments to find this. Tax returns aren’t classified. And definitely not top secret.",
">\n\nThere ya go, Giuliani. Keep on a talkin'.",
">\n\nYou get a top secret file. You get a top secret file. YOU ALL GET A TOP SECRET FILE!\nCheck under your seats.",
">\n\n\nYOU ALL GET A TOP SECRET FILE!\n\nPlease stop abusing all caps.",
">\n\nPay your lawyers Donnie.",
">\n\nAll the little shit birds are singing."
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But Hunter Biden’s laptop!!!
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[
"Did Rudy have security clearance to even view those documents?",
">\n\nNone of Trumps top advisors (including all his kids) could pass security clearance standards.",
">\n\nYet they held them :P. At least Kushner did.",
">\n\nThey all did, Kushner was the one who immediately rose suspection.",
">\n\nTrump had to personally step in to grant Kush his clearance because he kept getting caught lying on his application forms.",
">\n\nHow did he give him clearance, just thinking about it?",
">\n\nHe just had to say . \"You now have top secret clearance . \"",
">\n\nI didn't know that Jabba the Hutt had jedi mind powers...",
">\n\nCome on, even the most corrupt crimelord in a Galaxy Far, Far Away paid his subcontractors and ran an efficient criminal enterprise.\nTrump managed to bankrupt a casino, and I still have yet to truly understand how he failed a place that is designed to seperate people from their money. Aside from being so shitty no one would be seen there which sounds about on par for his 'brand'.",
">\n\n\nTrump managed to bankrupt a casino,\n\nthats not quite accurate\ni think it was 3 casinos at least.",
">\n\n\nGiuliani also said top secret files are \"very, very strange the way they're put together\" and \"often are very small, but they contain a lot of information.\"\n\nFor the love of god please please shut up.",
">\n\nTalking about the formatting of top secret docs is literally giving away classified information. How is this guy not in prison yet?",
">\n\nThat guy was president.., that’s why.\nRemember when a game show host ran for president?\nDo you remember thinking it was a complete joke? \nAnd then that pathetic liar and ruiner of lives actually won?\nThat’s why… \n…cuz half of this country “hated school”…and is also ironically still stuck in high school",
">\n\n\nhalf of this country “hated school”…and is also ironically still stuck in high school\n\nThis hits hard. While there's no simple explanation for what's happening, I feel this hits the nail on the head. So much I think many \"conservatives\" and \"centrists\" would agree.",
">\n\n\nGiuliani said he was at Mar-a-Lago, working on \"vetting\" some \"very rich\" people — specifically, going through their tax returns for Trump. \n\nUm what?",
">\n\nVery legal. Very cool.",
">\n\nI mean, it's so casual for them to be doing this that they are talking about it openly. So I guess this is how our government is run?",
">\n\nWell It's how Trump's government was run.",
">\n\nReferring to a government under a certain president’s term as their government is common practice. Things and the procedures by which they happen change drastically with the new leader nearly every time.\nThough, to your point, it has been the same shitstorm for a while now.\nPointless comment over and out. o7",
">\n\nWhat is the play here by Giuliani… what is he up to",
">\n\nTrump didn't pay him for his work promoting the big lie and trying to get the election overturned, so....",
">\n\nThey definitely have mutual dirt on each other going back decades.\nThe idiot almost said as much in public, saying that he had \"insurance.\"\nIt kind of explains the desperation. Not the idiocy, though.",
">\n\nBut I don’t see endless headlines to get Julie in any legal trouble. I wonder if this is an attempt to save his own ass through some deal.",
">\n\nI'm just very confused. Giuliani had no right to look at classified documents, let alone take them home. Now he said he never took any home, but did he even read them? Just cause he's the President's lawyer, that doesn't automatically give some clearance right?",
">\n\nI’ve never seen that and wish I hadn’t to be honest. So gross.",
">\n\nDid they hand out top secret documents in maralargo like some sort of goodie bag? \nLike here is a diet coke, cheesburger Maga hat and some top secret satellite photos of Iranian nuke sites.",
">\n\n\"What's your net worth? Ooooh, nice! Have a complimentary nuclear secret!\"\n\"Dude, I just wanna know how to get to the pool.\"",
">\n\n\"He told me, 'Oh, take them home with you,'\" Giuliani said of Trump. \"I'm not going to take Wilbur Ross' tax returns home with me. I could misplace them!\"\n\"I — you know, I never, ever, ever, ever, ever, knowingly, and I never got caught — but I don't remember ever taking a doc,\" Giuliani added. He said he would place documents in a small safe at his desk in Mar-a-Lago to be worked on the next day.\nGiuliani also said top secret files are \"very, very strange the way they're put together\" and \"often are very small, but they contain a lot of information.\"",
">\n\nGiuliani sounds guilty as hell to me.",
">\n\n\nI never, ever ever ever ever\n\nWords of an innocent man I tell ya",
">\n\n\"and I never got caught\" lol",
">\n\nHe said the thing he wasn’t supposed to say out loud.",
">\n\nI believe at least two things are in play here.\n1st, and most importantly, Trump took those documents to sell nuclear secrets to the Saudis. I absolutely believe this happened.\nThe other is that Trump is a grandiose narcissistic braggart. He took those documents just so that he could brag to people that he has possession of TS documents.",
">\n\nIs there any reporting on the 1st assumption?",
">\n\nNothing that would stand up in court. Just circumstantial stuff as far as I know right now. There were apparently nuclear documents, but I don't know what type of information was in them, and we know about the Saudi involvement with Kushner and the golf tournament thing with Trump.",
">\n\nAh okay, just curious.",
">\n\nand Giuliani is the type that can't seem to keep his mouth shut lol",
">\n\nHe basically admitting that not only did people who shouldn't have seen them look at top secret documents but in all likelihood many of them brought them home.\nIf I was the FBI I'd bring this to the judge as probable cause to search half a dozen trump associate properties for top secret documents.",
">\n\nHe took documents home",
">\n\nAt least he never got caught.",
">\n\nI hear no one still knows about it!",
">\n\nEveryone knows people are saying that",
">\n\nRudy is trying to get paid for a 6 figure or maybe even 7 figure legal bill. So if he floats this idea at a time when the special prosecutor is tightening his noose he may get Trump to pay him. Birds of a feather. They truly deserve each other. Yuck!",
">\n\nSo who here thinks if Rudy is saying he didn't out of the cleat blue sky, someone should check it out?\nAlso... \"Vetting rich people?\" That is a really weird way of saying,\"picking cabinet members.\" That seems a little telling.",
">\n\nTranslation: \"Juicy Research to keep the person in line in case they think about turning\"",
">\n\nThis guy might be super stupid to confessing openly about this treason!",
">\n\nWorst case scenario he does 3-6 months in a privately operated prison for wealthy celebrities. He can admit to murder and offer evidence of it and it'd still be years before he served those 6 months",
">\n\nOur systems have totally failed us. Intelligence, DOJ and inmoral politicians who placed party and greed over country!",
">\n\n\nRudy Giuliani says Trump once told him to take top-secret documents home. Giuliani said the incident occurred just after Trump became president, when he was working at Mar-a-Lago. [emphasis mine]\n\nNot the least bit surprising.\nAlso wouldn't be surprising if it is ultimately discovered that Trump has been stealing classified documents and selling them to hostile foreign interests from the moment he first set foot in - and stained - the Oval Office w/his presence.\nI believe Trump's meetings w/Russian oligarchs, Putin, etc., where no U.S. press , or even a translator were allowed were tip offs, red flags that went ignored.",
">\n\nEver wonder why North Korea's Ballistic Missles started flying straighter and longer from the time after Trump started meeting with \"his favorite little dictator?\"",
">\n\nNo, you don't start to get empathy for what he told you to do. You did it, you complied, and you covered for it. You and all the other cronies should go right down with him. You don't get to come up later and point blame at him. You're just as despicable. Lock 'em all up!",
">\n\n\"Never got caught\"...yeah, he's totally innocent.",
">\n\nAlways figured Rudy would flip quickly.",
">\n\nNot to worry they were safely secured at the Four Seasons Total Landscaping in NE Philly",
">\n\nnah... the SCIF is at the Dildo Emporium.\nDo you even Top Secret dude?",
">\n\nRepublicans: Oh yeah! Well Champ advised Biden to take home Classified documents too!",
">\n\nsome mondays i can identify the specific thing that pushed me into \"i hate mondays\" mode. today it's the re-realization that rudy giuliani had access to real government secrets. rudy cousin-fucking giuliani.",
">\n\nHe is a lawyer. He cannot plead ignorance on matters of law.",
">\n\nPleading ignorance doesn’t work for anyone. If it did, Trump would be home free.",
">\n\nTrump is home free.",
">\n\nI have a hypothesis that Giuliani went after the Italian and Irish mafia in NYC to make way for the Russian mafia.",
">\n\nSounds possible. The timing is perfect.",
">\n\nGlad to know I'm not the only one who thinks the timing was perfect :)",
">\n\n\n\"He told me, 'Oh, take them home with you,'\" Giuliani said of Trump. \"I'm not going to take Wilbur Ross' tax returns home with me. I could misplace them!\"\n\"I — you know, I never, ever, ever, ever, ever, knowingly, and I never got caught — but I don't remember ever taking a doc,\" Giuliani added. He said he would place documents in a small safe at his desk in Mar-a-Lago to be worked on the next day.\nGiuliani also said top secret files are \"very, very strange the way they're put together\" and \"often are very small, but they contain a lot of information.\"\n\nThis guy is a liar and crook, so it’s hard to take anything he says seriously. That said, as someone who actually works with classified information regularly, he sounds like someone who has never been exposed to anything classified in his life. \nIndividuals’ tax returns are not classified. There may be sharing restrictions on them—and it’s probably prohibited for Giuliani to have had them at his disposal for whatever the hell kind of “vetting” he was doing, but that’s another matter—but that doesn’t make them classified. Certainly not “top secret” anyway. \nFurthermore, there is absolutely nothing strange about the composition of top secret files. They just get printed onto regular letter-sized paper. They are as big or as small as they need to be to make the point they’re aiming to make. If anything, they are artificially larger than they’d need to be because sometimes the author will break out less or more classified points into discrete paragraphs with different portion markings to allow the information to be shared appropriately in other contexts.",
">\n\nHad to scroll halfway through the comments to find this. Tax returns aren’t classified. And definitely not top secret.",
">\n\nThere ya go, Giuliani. Keep on a talkin'.",
">\n\nYou get a top secret file. You get a top secret file. YOU ALL GET A TOP SECRET FILE!\nCheck under your seats.",
">\n\n\nYOU ALL GET A TOP SECRET FILE!\n\nPlease stop abusing all caps.",
">\n\nPay your lawyers Donnie.",
">\n\nAll the little shit birds are singing.",
">\n\nHow nerve racking it must be to know your cohorts can flip on you as soon as they need to save their own ass or deem you too dangerous in association."
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Why aren’t these people in prison now?
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[
"Did Rudy have security clearance to even view those documents?",
">\n\nNone of Trumps top advisors (including all his kids) could pass security clearance standards.",
">\n\nYet they held them :P. At least Kushner did.",
">\n\nThey all did, Kushner was the one who immediately rose suspection.",
">\n\nTrump had to personally step in to grant Kush his clearance because he kept getting caught lying on his application forms.",
">\n\nHow did he give him clearance, just thinking about it?",
">\n\nHe just had to say . \"You now have top secret clearance . \"",
">\n\nI didn't know that Jabba the Hutt had jedi mind powers...",
">\n\nCome on, even the most corrupt crimelord in a Galaxy Far, Far Away paid his subcontractors and ran an efficient criminal enterprise.\nTrump managed to bankrupt a casino, and I still have yet to truly understand how he failed a place that is designed to seperate people from their money. Aside from being so shitty no one would be seen there which sounds about on par for his 'brand'.",
">\n\n\nTrump managed to bankrupt a casino,\n\nthats not quite accurate\ni think it was 3 casinos at least.",
">\n\n\nGiuliani also said top secret files are \"very, very strange the way they're put together\" and \"often are very small, but they contain a lot of information.\"\n\nFor the love of god please please shut up.",
">\n\nTalking about the formatting of top secret docs is literally giving away classified information. How is this guy not in prison yet?",
">\n\nThat guy was president.., that’s why.\nRemember when a game show host ran for president?\nDo you remember thinking it was a complete joke? \nAnd then that pathetic liar and ruiner of lives actually won?\nThat’s why… \n…cuz half of this country “hated school”…and is also ironically still stuck in high school",
">\n\n\nhalf of this country “hated school”…and is also ironically still stuck in high school\n\nThis hits hard. While there's no simple explanation for what's happening, I feel this hits the nail on the head. So much I think many \"conservatives\" and \"centrists\" would agree.",
">\n\n\nGiuliani said he was at Mar-a-Lago, working on \"vetting\" some \"very rich\" people — specifically, going through their tax returns for Trump. \n\nUm what?",
">\n\nVery legal. Very cool.",
">\n\nI mean, it's so casual for them to be doing this that they are talking about it openly. So I guess this is how our government is run?",
">\n\nWell It's how Trump's government was run.",
">\n\nReferring to a government under a certain president’s term as their government is common practice. Things and the procedures by which they happen change drastically with the new leader nearly every time.\nThough, to your point, it has been the same shitstorm for a while now.\nPointless comment over and out. o7",
">\n\nWhat is the play here by Giuliani… what is he up to",
">\n\nTrump didn't pay him for his work promoting the big lie and trying to get the election overturned, so....",
">\n\nThey definitely have mutual dirt on each other going back decades.\nThe idiot almost said as much in public, saying that he had \"insurance.\"\nIt kind of explains the desperation. Not the idiocy, though.",
">\n\nBut I don’t see endless headlines to get Julie in any legal trouble. I wonder if this is an attempt to save his own ass through some deal.",
">\n\nI'm just very confused. Giuliani had no right to look at classified documents, let alone take them home. Now he said he never took any home, but did he even read them? Just cause he's the President's lawyer, that doesn't automatically give some clearance right?",
">\n\nI’ve never seen that and wish I hadn’t to be honest. So gross.",
">\n\nDid they hand out top secret documents in maralargo like some sort of goodie bag? \nLike here is a diet coke, cheesburger Maga hat and some top secret satellite photos of Iranian nuke sites.",
">\n\n\"What's your net worth? Ooooh, nice! Have a complimentary nuclear secret!\"\n\"Dude, I just wanna know how to get to the pool.\"",
">\n\n\"He told me, 'Oh, take them home with you,'\" Giuliani said of Trump. \"I'm not going to take Wilbur Ross' tax returns home with me. I could misplace them!\"\n\"I — you know, I never, ever, ever, ever, ever, knowingly, and I never got caught — but I don't remember ever taking a doc,\" Giuliani added. He said he would place documents in a small safe at his desk in Mar-a-Lago to be worked on the next day.\nGiuliani also said top secret files are \"very, very strange the way they're put together\" and \"often are very small, but they contain a lot of information.\"",
">\n\nGiuliani sounds guilty as hell to me.",
">\n\n\nI never, ever ever ever ever\n\nWords of an innocent man I tell ya",
">\n\n\"and I never got caught\" lol",
">\n\nHe said the thing he wasn’t supposed to say out loud.",
">\n\nI believe at least two things are in play here.\n1st, and most importantly, Trump took those documents to sell nuclear secrets to the Saudis. I absolutely believe this happened.\nThe other is that Trump is a grandiose narcissistic braggart. He took those documents just so that he could brag to people that he has possession of TS documents.",
">\n\nIs there any reporting on the 1st assumption?",
">\n\nNothing that would stand up in court. Just circumstantial stuff as far as I know right now. There were apparently nuclear documents, but I don't know what type of information was in them, and we know about the Saudi involvement with Kushner and the golf tournament thing with Trump.",
">\n\nAh okay, just curious.",
">\n\nand Giuliani is the type that can't seem to keep his mouth shut lol",
">\n\nHe basically admitting that not only did people who shouldn't have seen them look at top secret documents but in all likelihood many of them brought them home.\nIf I was the FBI I'd bring this to the judge as probable cause to search half a dozen trump associate properties for top secret documents.",
">\n\nHe took documents home",
">\n\nAt least he never got caught.",
">\n\nI hear no one still knows about it!",
">\n\nEveryone knows people are saying that",
">\n\nRudy is trying to get paid for a 6 figure or maybe even 7 figure legal bill. So if he floats this idea at a time when the special prosecutor is tightening his noose he may get Trump to pay him. Birds of a feather. They truly deserve each other. Yuck!",
">\n\nSo who here thinks if Rudy is saying he didn't out of the cleat blue sky, someone should check it out?\nAlso... \"Vetting rich people?\" That is a really weird way of saying,\"picking cabinet members.\" That seems a little telling.",
">\n\nTranslation: \"Juicy Research to keep the person in line in case they think about turning\"",
">\n\nThis guy might be super stupid to confessing openly about this treason!",
">\n\nWorst case scenario he does 3-6 months in a privately operated prison for wealthy celebrities. He can admit to murder and offer evidence of it and it'd still be years before he served those 6 months",
">\n\nOur systems have totally failed us. Intelligence, DOJ and inmoral politicians who placed party and greed over country!",
">\n\n\nRudy Giuliani says Trump once told him to take top-secret documents home. Giuliani said the incident occurred just after Trump became president, when he was working at Mar-a-Lago. [emphasis mine]\n\nNot the least bit surprising.\nAlso wouldn't be surprising if it is ultimately discovered that Trump has been stealing classified documents and selling them to hostile foreign interests from the moment he first set foot in - and stained - the Oval Office w/his presence.\nI believe Trump's meetings w/Russian oligarchs, Putin, etc., where no U.S. press , or even a translator were allowed were tip offs, red flags that went ignored.",
">\n\nEver wonder why North Korea's Ballistic Missles started flying straighter and longer from the time after Trump started meeting with \"his favorite little dictator?\"",
">\n\nNo, you don't start to get empathy for what he told you to do. You did it, you complied, and you covered for it. You and all the other cronies should go right down with him. You don't get to come up later and point blame at him. You're just as despicable. Lock 'em all up!",
">\n\n\"Never got caught\"...yeah, he's totally innocent.",
">\n\nAlways figured Rudy would flip quickly.",
">\n\nNot to worry they were safely secured at the Four Seasons Total Landscaping in NE Philly",
">\n\nnah... the SCIF is at the Dildo Emporium.\nDo you even Top Secret dude?",
">\n\nRepublicans: Oh yeah! Well Champ advised Biden to take home Classified documents too!",
">\n\nsome mondays i can identify the specific thing that pushed me into \"i hate mondays\" mode. today it's the re-realization that rudy giuliani had access to real government secrets. rudy cousin-fucking giuliani.",
">\n\nHe is a lawyer. He cannot plead ignorance on matters of law.",
">\n\nPleading ignorance doesn’t work for anyone. If it did, Trump would be home free.",
">\n\nTrump is home free.",
">\n\nI have a hypothesis that Giuliani went after the Italian and Irish mafia in NYC to make way for the Russian mafia.",
">\n\nSounds possible. The timing is perfect.",
">\n\nGlad to know I'm not the only one who thinks the timing was perfect :)",
">\n\n\n\"He told me, 'Oh, take them home with you,'\" Giuliani said of Trump. \"I'm not going to take Wilbur Ross' tax returns home with me. I could misplace them!\"\n\"I — you know, I never, ever, ever, ever, ever, knowingly, and I never got caught — but I don't remember ever taking a doc,\" Giuliani added. He said he would place documents in a small safe at his desk in Mar-a-Lago to be worked on the next day.\nGiuliani also said top secret files are \"very, very strange the way they're put together\" and \"often are very small, but they contain a lot of information.\"\n\nThis guy is a liar and crook, so it’s hard to take anything he says seriously. That said, as someone who actually works with classified information regularly, he sounds like someone who has never been exposed to anything classified in his life. \nIndividuals’ tax returns are not classified. There may be sharing restrictions on them—and it’s probably prohibited for Giuliani to have had them at his disposal for whatever the hell kind of “vetting” he was doing, but that’s another matter—but that doesn’t make them classified. Certainly not “top secret” anyway. \nFurthermore, there is absolutely nothing strange about the composition of top secret files. They just get printed onto regular letter-sized paper. They are as big or as small as they need to be to make the point they’re aiming to make. If anything, they are artificially larger than they’d need to be because sometimes the author will break out less or more classified points into discrete paragraphs with different portion markings to allow the information to be shared appropriately in other contexts.",
">\n\nHad to scroll halfway through the comments to find this. Tax returns aren’t classified. And definitely not top secret.",
">\n\nThere ya go, Giuliani. Keep on a talkin'.",
">\n\nYou get a top secret file. You get a top secret file. YOU ALL GET A TOP SECRET FILE!\nCheck under your seats.",
">\n\n\nYOU ALL GET A TOP SECRET FILE!\n\nPlease stop abusing all caps.",
">\n\nPay your lawyers Donnie.",
">\n\nAll the little shit birds are singing.",
">\n\nHow nerve racking it must be to know your cohorts can flip on you as soon as they need to save their own ass or deem you too dangerous in association.",
">\n\nBut Hunter Biden’s laptop!!!"
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So let me get this straight. Trump screamed like a banshee when faced with having anyone see his own tax returns yet it was perfectly fine for him and Giuliani to 'vet' other peoples returns such as Wilbur Ross - I expect hypocrisy from Trump but showing them to Giuliani must surely be illegal.
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[
"Did Rudy have security clearance to even view those documents?",
">\n\nNone of Trumps top advisors (including all his kids) could pass security clearance standards.",
">\n\nYet they held them :P. At least Kushner did.",
">\n\nThey all did, Kushner was the one who immediately rose suspection.",
">\n\nTrump had to personally step in to grant Kush his clearance because he kept getting caught lying on his application forms.",
">\n\nHow did he give him clearance, just thinking about it?",
">\n\nHe just had to say . \"You now have top secret clearance . \"",
">\n\nI didn't know that Jabba the Hutt had jedi mind powers...",
">\n\nCome on, even the most corrupt crimelord in a Galaxy Far, Far Away paid his subcontractors and ran an efficient criminal enterprise.\nTrump managed to bankrupt a casino, and I still have yet to truly understand how he failed a place that is designed to seperate people from their money. Aside from being so shitty no one would be seen there which sounds about on par for his 'brand'.",
">\n\n\nTrump managed to bankrupt a casino,\n\nthats not quite accurate\ni think it was 3 casinos at least.",
">\n\n\nGiuliani also said top secret files are \"very, very strange the way they're put together\" and \"often are very small, but they contain a lot of information.\"\n\nFor the love of god please please shut up.",
">\n\nTalking about the formatting of top secret docs is literally giving away classified information. How is this guy not in prison yet?",
">\n\nThat guy was president.., that’s why.\nRemember when a game show host ran for president?\nDo you remember thinking it was a complete joke? \nAnd then that pathetic liar and ruiner of lives actually won?\nThat’s why… \n…cuz half of this country “hated school”…and is also ironically still stuck in high school",
">\n\n\nhalf of this country “hated school”…and is also ironically still stuck in high school\n\nThis hits hard. While there's no simple explanation for what's happening, I feel this hits the nail on the head. So much I think many \"conservatives\" and \"centrists\" would agree.",
">\n\n\nGiuliani said he was at Mar-a-Lago, working on \"vetting\" some \"very rich\" people — specifically, going through their tax returns for Trump. \n\nUm what?",
">\n\nVery legal. Very cool.",
">\n\nI mean, it's so casual for them to be doing this that they are talking about it openly. So I guess this is how our government is run?",
">\n\nWell It's how Trump's government was run.",
">\n\nReferring to a government under a certain president’s term as their government is common practice. Things and the procedures by which they happen change drastically with the new leader nearly every time.\nThough, to your point, it has been the same shitstorm for a while now.\nPointless comment over and out. o7",
">\n\nWhat is the play here by Giuliani… what is he up to",
">\n\nTrump didn't pay him for his work promoting the big lie and trying to get the election overturned, so....",
">\n\nThey definitely have mutual dirt on each other going back decades.\nThe idiot almost said as much in public, saying that he had \"insurance.\"\nIt kind of explains the desperation. Not the idiocy, though.",
">\n\nBut I don’t see endless headlines to get Julie in any legal trouble. I wonder if this is an attempt to save his own ass through some deal.",
">\n\nI'm just very confused. Giuliani had no right to look at classified documents, let alone take them home. Now he said he never took any home, but did he even read them? Just cause he's the President's lawyer, that doesn't automatically give some clearance right?",
">\n\nI’ve never seen that and wish I hadn’t to be honest. So gross.",
">\n\nDid they hand out top secret documents in maralargo like some sort of goodie bag? \nLike here is a diet coke, cheesburger Maga hat and some top secret satellite photos of Iranian nuke sites.",
">\n\n\"What's your net worth? Ooooh, nice! Have a complimentary nuclear secret!\"\n\"Dude, I just wanna know how to get to the pool.\"",
">\n\n\"He told me, 'Oh, take them home with you,'\" Giuliani said of Trump. \"I'm not going to take Wilbur Ross' tax returns home with me. I could misplace them!\"\n\"I — you know, I never, ever, ever, ever, ever, knowingly, and I never got caught — but I don't remember ever taking a doc,\" Giuliani added. He said he would place documents in a small safe at his desk in Mar-a-Lago to be worked on the next day.\nGiuliani also said top secret files are \"very, very strange the way they're put together\" and \"often are very small, but they contain a lot of information.\"",
">\n\nGiuliani sounds guilty as hell to me.",
">\n\n\nI never, ever ever ever ever\n\nWords of an innocent man I tell ya",
">\n\n\"and I never got caught\" lol",
">\n\nHe said the thing he wasn’t supposed to say out loud.",
">\n\nI believe at least two things are in play here.\n1st, and most importantly, Trump took those documents to sell nuclear secrets to the Saudis. I absolutely believe this happened.\nThe other is that Trump is a grandiose narcissistic braggart. He took those documents just so that he could brag to people that he has possession of TS documents.",
">\n\nIs there any reporting on the 1st assumption?",
">\n\nNothing that would stand up in court. Just circumstantial stuff as far as I know right now. There were apparently nuclear documents, but I don't know what type of information was in them, and we know about the Saudi involvement with Kushner and the golf tournament thing with Trump.",
">\n\nAh okay, just curious.",
">\n\nand Giuliani is the type that can't seem to keep his mouth shut lol",
">\n\nHe basically admitting that not only did people who shouldn't have seen them look at top secret documents but in all likelihood many of them brought them home.\nIf I was the FBI I'd bring this to the judge as probable cause to search half a dozen trump associate properties for top secret documents.",
">\n\nHe took documents home",
">\n\nAt least he never got caught.",
">\n\nI hear no one still knows about it!",
">\n\nEveryone knows people are saying that",
">\n\nRudy is trying to get paid for a 6 figure or maybe even 7 figure legal bill. So if he floats this idea at a time when the special prosecutor is tightening his noose he may get Trump to pay him. Birds of a feather. They truly deserve each other. Yuck!",
">\n\nSo who here thinks if Rudy is saying he didn't out of the cleat blue sky, someone should check it out?\nAlso... \"Vetting rich people?\" That is a really weird way of saying,\"picking cabinet members.\" That seems a little telling.",
">\n\nTranslation: \"Juicy Research to keep the person in line in case they think about turning\"",
">\n\nThis guy might be super stupid to confessing openly about this treason!",
">\n\nWorst case scenario he does 3-6 months in a privately operated prison for wealthy celebrities. He can admit to murder and offer evidence of it and it'd still be years before he served those 6 months",
">\n\nOur systems have totally failed us. Intelligence, DOJ and inmoral politicians who placed party and greed over country!",
">\n\n\nRudy Giuliani says Trump once told him to take top-secret documents home. Giuliani said the incident occurred just after Trump became president, when he was working at Mar-a-Lago. [emphasis mine]\n\nNot the least bit surprising.\nAlso wouldn't be surprising if it is ultimately discovered that Trump has been stealing classified documents and selling them to hostile foreign interests from the moment he first set foot in - and stained - the Oval Office w/his presence.\nI believe Trump's meetings w/Russian oligarchs, Putin, etc., where no U.S. press , or even a translator were allowed were tip offs, red flags that went ignored.",
">\n\nEver wonder why North Korea's Ballistic Missles started flying straighter and longer from the time after Trump started meeting with \"his favorite little dictator?\"",
">\n\nNo, you don't start to get empathy for what he told you to do. You did it, you complied, and you covered for it. You and all the other cronies should go right down with him. You don't get to come up later and point blame at him. You're just as despicable. Lock 'em all up!",
">\n\n\"Never got caught\"...yeah, he's totally innocent.",
">\n\nAlways figured Rudy would flip quickly.",
">\n\nNot to worry they were safely secured at the Four Seasons Total Landscaping in NE Philly",
">\n\nnah... the SCIF is at the Dildo Emporium.\nDo you even Top Secret dude?",
">\n\nRepublicans: Oh yeah! Well Champ advised Biden to take home Classified documents too!",
">\n\nsome mondays i can identify the specific thing that pushed me into \"i hate mondays\" mode. today it's the re-realization that rudy giuliani had access to real government secrets. rudy cousin-fucking giuliani.",
">\n\nHe is a lawyer. He cannot plead ignorance on matters of law.",
">\n\nPleading ignorance doesn’t work for anyone. If it did, Trump would be home free.",
">\n\nTrump is home free.",
">\n\nI have a hypothesis that Giuliani went after the Italian and Irish mafia in NYC to make way for the Russian mafia.",
">\n\nSounds possible. The timing is perfect.",
">\n\nGlad to know I'm not the only one who thinks the timing was perfect :)",
">\n\n\n\"He told me, 'Oh, take them home with you,'\" Giuliani said of Trump. \"I'm not going to take Wilbur Ross' tax returns home with me. I could misplace them!\"\n\"I — you know, I never, ever, ever, ever, ever, knowingly, and I never got caught — but I don't remember ever taking a doc,\" Giuliani added. He said he would place documents in a small safe at his desk in Mar-a-Lago to be worked on the next day.\nGiuliani also said top secret files are \"very, very strange the way they're put together\" and \"often are very small, but they contain a lot of information.\"\n\nThis guy is a liar and crook, so it’s hard to take anything he says seriously. That said, as someone who actually works with classified information regularly, he sounds like someone who has never been exposed to anything classified in his life. \nIndividuals’ tax returns are not classified. There may be sharing restrictions on them—and it’s probably prohibited for Giuliani to have had them at his disposal for whatever the hell kind of “vetting” he was doing, but that’s another matter—but that doesn’t make them classified. Certainly not “top secret” anyway. \nFurthermore, there is absolutely nothing strange about the composition of top secret files. They just get printed onto regular letter-sized paper. They are as big or as small as they need to be to make the point they’re aiming to make. If anything, they are artificially larger than they’d need to be because sometimes the author will break out less or more classified points into discrete paragraphs with different portion markings to allow the information to be shared appropriately in other contexts.",
">\n\nHad to scroll halfway through the comments to find this. Tax returns aren’t classified. And definitely not top secret.",
">\n\nThere ya go, Giuliani. Keep on a talkin'.",
">\n\nYou get a top secret file. You get a top secret file. YOU ALL GET A TOP SECRET FILE!\nCheck under your seats.",
">\n\n\nYOU ALL GET A TOP SECRET FILE!\n\nPlease stop abusing all caps.",
">\n\nPay your lawyers Donnie.",
">\n\nAll the little shit birds are singing.",
">\n\nHow nerve racking it must be to know your cohorts can flip on you as soon as they need to save their own ass or deem you too dangerous in association.",
">\n\nBut Hunter Biden’s laptop!!!",
">\n\nWhy aren’t these people in prison now?"
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There's a reason clearances exist. It makes no godamn sense why the president doesn't need to be held to the same standard for top secret as any other personal in the DoD.
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[
"Did Rudy have security clearance to even view those documents?",
">\n\nNone of Trumps top advisors (including all his kids) could pass security clearance standards.",
">\n\nYet they held them :P. At least Kushner did.",
">\n\nThey all did, Kushner was the one who immediately rose suspection.",
">\n\nTrump had to personally step in to grant Kush his clearance because he kept getting caught lying on his application forms.",
">\n\nHow did he give him clearance, just thinking about it?",
">\n\nHe just had to say . \"You now have top secret clearance . \"",
">\n\nI didn't know that Jabba the Hutt had jedi mind powers...",
">\n\nCome on, even the most corrupt crimelord in a Galaxy Far, Far Away paid his subcontractors and ran an efficient criminal enterprise.\nTrump managed to bankrupt a casino, and I still have yet to truly understand how he failed a place that is designed to seperate people from their money. Aside from being so shitty no one would be seen there which sounds about on par for his 'brand'.",
">\n\n\nTrump managed to bankrupt a casino,\n\nthats not quite accurate\ni think it was 3 casinos at least.",
">\n\n\nGiuliani also said top secret files are \"very, very strange the way they're put together\" and \"often are very small, but they contain a lot of information.\"\n\nFor the love of god please please shut up.",
">\n\nTalking about the formatting of top secret docs is literally giving away classified information. How is this guy not in prison yet?",
">\n\nThat guy was president.., that’s why.\nRemember when a game show host ran for president?\nDo you remember thinking it was a complete joke? \nAnd then that pathetic liar and ruiner of lives actually won?\nThat’s why… \n…cuz half of this country “hated school”…and is also ironically still stuck in high school",
">\n\n\nhalf of this country “hated school”…and is also ironically still stuck in high school\n\nThis hits hard. While there's no simple explanation for what's happening, I feel this hits the nail on the head. So much I think many \"conservatives\" and \"centrists\" would agree.",
">\n\n\nGiuliani said he was at Mar-a-Lago, working on \"vetting\" some \"very rich\" people — specifically, going through their tax returns for Trump. \n\nUm what?",
">\n\nVery legal. Very cool.",
">\n\nI mean, it's so casual for them to be doing this that they are talking about it openly. So I guess this is how our government is run?",
">\n\nWell It's how Trump's government was run.",
">\n\nReferring to a government under a certain president’s term as their government is common practice. Things and the procedures by which they happen change drastically with the new leader nearly every time.\nThough, to your point, it has been the same shitstorm for a while now.\nPointless comment over and out. o7",
">\n\nWhat is the play here by Giuliani… what is he up to",
">\n\nTrump didn't pay him for his work promoting the big lie and trying to get the election overturned, so....",
">\n\nThey definitely have mutual dirt on each other going back decades.\nThe idiot almost said as much in public, saying that he had \"insurance.\"\nIt kind of explains the desperation. Not the idiocy, though.",
">\n\nBut I don’t see endless headlines to get Julie in any legal trouble. I wonder if this is an attempt to save his own ass through some deal.",
">\n\nI'm just very confused. Giuliani had no right to look at classified documents, let alone take them home. Now he said he never took any home, but did he even read them? Just cause he's the President's lawyer, that doesn't automatically give some clearance right?",
">\n\nI’ve never seen that and wish I hadn’t to be honest. So gross.",
">\n\nDid they hand out top secret documents in maralargo like some sort of goodie bag? \nLike here is a diet coke, cheesburger Maga hat and some top secret satellite photos of Iranian nuke sites.",
">\n\n\"What's your net worth? Ooooh, nice! Have a complimentary nuclear secret!\"\n\"Dude, I just wanna know how to get to the pool.\"",
">\n\n\"He told me, 'Oh, take them home with you,'\" Giuliani said of Trump. \"I'm not going to take Wilbur Ross' tax returns home with me. I could misplace them!\"\n\"I — you know, I never, ever, ever, ever, ever, knowingly, and I never got caught — but I don't remember ever taking a doc,\" Giuliani added. He said he would place documents in a small safe at his desk in Mar-a-Lago to be worked on the next day.\nGiuliani also said top secret files are \"very, very strange the way they're put together\" and \"often are very small, but they contain a lot of information.\"",
">\n\nGiuliani sounds guilty as hell to me.",
">\n\n\nI never, ever ever ever ever\n\nWords of an innocent man I tell ya",
">\n\n\"and I never got caught\" lol",
">\n\nHe said the thing he wasn’t supposed to say out loud.",
">\n\nI believe at least two things are in play here.\n1st, and most importantly, Trump took those documents to sell nuclear secrets to the Saudis. I absolutely believe this happened.\nThe other is that Trump is a grandiose narcissistic braggart. He took those documents just so that he could brag to people that he has possession of TS documents.",
">\n\nIs there any reporting on the 1st assumption?",
">\n\nNothing that would stand up in court. Just circumstantial stuff as far as I know right now. There were apparently nuclear documents, but I don't know what type of information was in them, and we know about the Saudi involvement with Kushner and the golf tournament thing with Trump.",
">\n\nAh okay, just curious.",
">\n\nand Giuliani is the type that can't seem to keep his mouth shut lol",
">\n\nHe basically admitting that not only did people who shouldn't have seen them look at top secret documents but in all likelihood many of them brought them home.\nIf I was the FBI I'd bring this to the judge as probable cause to search half a dozen trump associate properties for top secret documents.",
">\n\nHe took documents home",
">\n\nAt least he never got caught.",
">\n\nI hear no one still knows about it!",
">\n\nEveryone knows people are saying that",
">\n\nRudy is trying to get paid for a 6 figure or maybe even 7 figure legal bill. So if he floats this idea at a time when the special prosecutor is tightening his noose he may get Trump to pay him. Birds of a feather. They truly deserve each other. Yuck!",
">\n\nSo who here thinks if Rudy is saying he didn't out of the cleat blue sky, someone should check it out?\nAlso... \"Vetting rich people?\" That is a really weird way of saying,\"picking cabinet members.\" That seems a little telling.",
">\n\nTranslation: \"Juicy Research to keep the person in line in case they think about turning\"",
">\n\nThis guy might be super stupid to confessing openly about this treason!",
">\n\nWorst case scenario he does 3-6 months in a privately operated prison for wealthy celebrities. He can admit to murder and offer evidence of it and it'd still be years before he served those 6 months",
">\n\nOur systems have totally failed us. Intelligence, DOJ and inmoral politicians who placed party and greed over country!",
">\n\n\nRudy Giuliani says Trump once told him to take top-secret documents home. Giuliani said the incident occurred just after Trump became president, when he was working at Mar-a-Lago. [emphasis mine]\n\nNot the least bit surprising.\nAlso wouldn't be surprising if it is ultimately discovered that Trump has been stealing classified documents and selling them to hostile foreign interests from the moment he first set foot in - and stained - the Oval Office w/his presence.\nI believe Trump's meetings w/Russian oligarchs, Putin, etc., where no U.S. press , or even a translator were allowed were tip offs, red flags that went ignored.",
">\n\nEver wonder why North Korea's Ballistic Missles started flying straighter and longer from the time after Trump started meeting with \"his favorite little dictator?\"",
">\n\nNo, you don't start to get empathy for what he told you to do. You did it, you complied, and you covered for it. You and all the other cronies should go right down with him. You don't get to come up later and point blame at him. You're just as despicable. Lock 'em all up!",
">\n\n\"Never got caught\"...yeah, he's totally innocent.",
">\n\nAlways figured Rudy would flip quickly.",
">\n\nNot to worry they were safely secured at the Four Seasons Total Landscaping in NE Philly",
">\n\nnah... the SCIF is at the Dildo Emporium.\nDo you even Top Secret dude?",
">\n\nRepublicans: Oh yeah! Well Champ advised Biden to take home Classified documents too!",
">\n\nsome mondays i can identify the specific thing that pushed me into \"i hate mondays\" mode. today it's the re-realization that rudy giuliani had access to real government secrets. rudy cousin-fucking giuliani.",
">\n\nHe is a lawyer. He cannot plead ignorance on matters of law.",
">\n\nPleading ignorance doesn’t work for anyone. If it did, Trump would be home free.",
">\n\nTrump is home free.",
">\n\nI have a hypothesis that Giuliani went after the Italian and Irish mafia in NYC to make way for the Russian mafia.",
">\n\nSounds possible. The timing is perfect.",
">\n\nGlad to know I'm not the only one who thinks the timing was perfect :)",
">\n\n\n\"He told me, 'Oh, take them home with you,'\" Giuliani said of Trump. \"I'm not going to take Wilbur Ross' tax returns home with me. I could misplace them!\"\n\"I — you know, I never, ever, ever, ever, ever, knowingly, and I never got caught — but I don't remember ever taking a doc,\" Giuliani added. He said he would place documents in a small safe at his desk in Mar-a-Lago to be worked on the next day.\nGiuliani also said top secret files are \"very, very strange the way they're put together\" and \"often are very small, but they contain a lot of information.\"\n\nThis guy is a liar and crook, so it’s hard to take anything he says seriously. That said, as someone who actually works with classified information regularly, he sounds like someone who has never been exposed to anything classified in his life. \nIndividuals’ tax returns are not classified. There may be sharing restrictions on them—and it’s probably prohibited for Giuliani to have had them at his disposal for whatever the hell kind of “vetting” he was doing, but that’s another matter—but that doesn’t make them classified. Certainly not “top secret” anyway. \nFurthermore, there is absolutely nothing strange about the composition of top secret files. They just get printed onto regular letter-sized paper. They are as big or as small as they need to be to make the point they’re aiming to make. If anything, they are artificially larger than they’d need to be because sometimes the author will break out less or more classified points into discrete paragraphs with different portion markings to allow the information to be shared appropriately in other contexts.",
">\n\nHad to scroll halfway through the comments to find this. Tax returns aren’t classified. And definitely not top secret.",
">\n\nThere ya go, Giuliani. Keep on a talkin'.",
">\n\nYou get a top secret file. You get a top secret file. YOU ALL GET A TOP SECRET FILE!\nCheck under your seats.",
">\n\n\nYOU ALL GET A TOP SECRET FILE!\n\nPlease stop abusing all caps.",
">\n\nPay your lawyers Donnie.",
">\n\nAll the little shit birds are singing.",
">\n\nHow nerve racking it must be to know your cohorts can flip on you as soon as they need to save their own ass or deem you too dangerous in association.",
">\n\nBut Hunter Biden’s laptop!!!",
">\n\nWhy aren’t these people in prison now?",
">\n\nSo let me get this straight. Trump screamed like a banshee when faced with having anyone see his own tax returns yet it was perfectly fine for him and Giuliani to 'vet' other peoples returns such as Wilbur Ross - I expect hypocrisy from Trump but showing them to Giuliani must surely be illegal."
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Rudy feeling left out
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[
"Did Rudy have security clearance to even view those documents?",
">\n\nNone of Trumps top advisors (including all his kids) could pass security clearance standards.",
">\n\nYet they held them :P. At least Kushner did.",
">\n\nThey all did, Kushner was the one who immediately rose suspection.",
">\n\nTrump had to personally step in to grant Kush his clearance because he kept getting caught lying on his application forms.",
">\n\nHow did he give him clearance, just thinking about it?",
">\n\nHe just had to say . \"You now have top secret clearance . \"",
">\n\nI didn't know that Jabba the Hutt had jedi mind powers...",
">\n\nCome on, even the most corrupt crimelord in a Galaxy Far, Far Away paid his subcontractors and ran an efficient criminal enterprise.\nTrump managed to bankrupt a casino, and I still have yet to truly understand how he failed a place that is designed to seperate people from their money. Aside from being so shitty no one would be seen there which sounds about on par for his 'brand'.",
">\n\n\nTrump managed to bankrupt a casino,\n\nthats not quite accurate\ni think it was 3 casinos at least.",
">\n\n\nGiuliani also said top secret files are \"very, very strange the way they're put together\" and \"often are very small, but they contain a lot of information.\"\n\nFor the love of god please please shut up.",
">\n\nTalking about the formatting of top secret docs is literally giving away classified information. How is this guy not in prison yet?",
">\n\nThat guy was president.., that’s why.\nRemember when a game show host ran for president?\nDo you remember thinking it was a complete joke? \nAnd then that pathetic liar and ruiner of lives actually won?\nThat’s why… \n…cuz half of this country “hated school”…and is also ironically still stuck in high school",
">\n\n\nhalf of this country “hated school”…and is also ironically still stuck in high school\n\nThis hits hard. While there's no simple explanation for what's happening, I feel this hits the nail on the head. So much I think many \"conservatives\" and \"centrists\" would agree.",
">\n\n\nGiuliani said he was at Mar-a-Lago, working on \"vetting\" some \"very rich\" people — specifically, going through their tax returns for Trump. \n\nUm what?",
">\n\nVery legal. Very cool.",
">\n\nI mean, it's so casual for them to be doing this that they are talking about it openly. So I guess this is how our government is run?",
">\n\nWell It's how Trump's government was run.",
">\n\nReferring to a government under a certain president’s term as their government is common practice. Things and the procedures by which they happen change drastically with the new leader nearly every time.\nThough, to your point, it has been the same shitstorm for a while now.\nPointless comment over and out. o7",
">\n\nWhat is the play here by Giuliani… what is he up to",
">\n\nTrump didn't pay him for his work promoting the big lie and trying to get the election overturned, so....",
">\n\nThey definitely have mutual dirt on each other going back decades.\nThe idiot almost said as much in public, saying that he had \"insurance.\"\nIt kind of explains the desperation. Not the idiocy, though.",
">\n\nBut I don’t see endless headlines to get Julie in any legal trouble. I wonder if this is an attempt to save his own ass through some deal.",
">\n\nI'm just very confused. Giuliani had no right to look at classified documents, let alone take them home. Now he said he never took any home, but did he even read them? Just cause he's the President's lawyer, that doesn't automatically give some clearance right?",
">\n\nI’ve never seen that and wish I hadn’t to be honest. So gross.",
">\n\nDid they hand out top secret documents in maralargo like some sort of goodie bag? \nLike here is a diet coke, cheesburger Maga hat and some top secret satellite photos of Iranian nuke sites.",
">\n\n\"What's your net worth? Ooooh, nice! Have a complimentary nuclear secret!\"\n\"Dude, I just wanna know how to get to the pool.\"",
">\n\n\"He told me, 'Oh, take them home with you,'\" Giuliani said of Trump. \"I'm not going to take Wilbur Ross' tax returns home with me. I could misplace them!\"\n\"I — you know, I never, ever, ever, ever, ever, knowingly, and I never got caught — but I don't remember ever taking a doc,\" Giuliani added. He said he would place documents in a small safe at his desk in Mar-a-Lago to be worked on the next day.\nGiuliani also said top secret files are \"very, very strange the way they're put together\" and \"often are very small, but they contain a lot of information.\"",
">\n\nGiuliani sounds guilty as hell to me.",
">\n\n\nI never, ever ever ever ever\n\nWords of an innocent man I tell ya",
">\n\n\"and I never got caught\" lol",
">\n\nHe said the thing he wasn’t supposed to say out loud.",
">\n\nI believe at least two things are in play here.\n1st, and most importantly, Trump took those documents to sell nuclear secrets to the Saudis. I absolutely believe this happened.\nThe other is that Trump is a grandiose narcissistic braggart. He took those documents just so that he could brag to people that he has possession of TS documents.",
">\n\nIs there any reporting on the 1st assumption?",
">\n\nNothing that would stand up in court. Just circumstantial stuff as far as I know right now. There were apparently nuclear documents, but I don't know what type of information was in them, and we know about the Saudi involvement with Kushner and the golf tournament thing with Trump.",
">\n\nAh okay, just curious.",
">\n\nand Giuliani is the type that can't seem to keep his mouth shut lol",
">\n\nHe basically admitting that not only did people who shouldn't have seen them look at top secret documents but in all likelihood many of them brought them home.\nIf I was the FBI I'd bring this to the judge as probable cause to search half a dozen trump associate properties for top secret documents.",
">\n\nHe took documents home",
">\n\nAt least he never got caught.",
">\n\nI hear no one still knows about it!",
">\n\nEveryone knows people are saying that",
">\n\nRudy is trying to get paid for a 6 figure or maybe even 7 figure legal bill. So if he floats this idea at a time when the special prosecutor is tightening his noose he may get Trump to pay him. Birds of a feather. They truly deserve each other. Yuck!",
">\n\nSo who here thinks if Rudy is saying he didn't out of the cleat blue sky, someone should check it out?\nAlso... \"Vetting rich people?\" That is a really weird way of saying,\"picking cabinet members.\" That seems a little telling.",
">\n\nTranslation: \"Juicy Research to keep the person in line in case they think about turning\"",
">\n\nThis guy might be super stupid to confessing openly about this treason!",
">\n\nWorst case scenario he does 3-6 months in a privately operated prison for wealthy celebrities. He can admit to murder and offer evidence of it and it'd still be years before he served those 6 months",
">\n\nOur systems have totally failed us. Intelligence, DOJ and inmoral politicians who placed party and greed over country!",
">\n\n\nRudy Giuliani says Trump once told him to take top-secret documents home. Giuliani said the incident occurred just after Trump became president, when he was working at Mar-a-Lago. [emphasis mine]\n\nNot the least bit surprising.\nAlso wouldn't be surprising if it is ultimately discovered that Trump has been stealing classified documents and selling them to hostile foreign interests from the moment he first set foot in - and stained - the Oval Office w/his presence.\nI believe Trump's meetings w/Russian oligarchs, Putin, etc., where no U.S. press , or even a translator were allowed were tip offs, red flags that went ignored.",
">\n\nEver wonder why North Korea's Ballistic Missles started flying straighter and longer from the time after Trump started meeting with \"his favorite little dictator?\"",
">\n\nNo, you don't start to get empathy for what he told you to do. You did it, you complied, and you covered for it. You and all the other cronies should go right down with him. You don't get to come up later and point blame at him. You're just as despicable. Lock 'em all up!",
">\n\n\"Never got caught\"...yeah, he's totally innocent.",
">\n\nAlways figured Rudy would flip quickly.",
">\n\nNot to worry they were safely secured at the Four Seasons Total Landscaping in NE Philly",
">\n\nnah... the SCIF is at the Dildo Emporium.\nDo you even Top Secret dude?",
">\n\nRepublicans: Oh yeah! Well Champ advised Biden to take home Classified documents too!",
">\n\nsome mondays i can identify the specific thing that pushed me into \"i hate mondays\" mode. today it's the re-realization that rudy giuliani had access to real government secrets. rudy cousin-fucking giuliani.",
">\n\nHe is a lawyer. He cannot plead ignorance on matters of law.",
">\n\nPleading ignorance doesn’t work for anyone. If it did, Trump would be home free.",
">\n\nTrump is home free.",
">\n\nI have a hypothesis that Giuliani went after the Italian and Irish mafia in NYC to make way for the Russian mafia.",
">\n\nSounds possible. The timing is perfect.",
">\n\nGlad to know I'm not the only one who thinks the timing was perfect :)",
">\n\n\n\"He told me, 'Oh, take them home with you,'\" Giuliani said of Trump. \"I'm not going to take Wilbur Ross' tax returns home with me. I could misplace them!\"\n\"I — you know, I never, ever, ever, ever, ever, knowingly, and I never got caught — but I don't remember ever taking a doc,\" Giuliani added. He said he would place documents in a small safe at his desk in Mar-a-Lago to be worked on the next day.\nGiuliani also said top secret files are \"very, very strange the way they're put together\" and \"often are very small, but they contain a lot of information.\"\n\nThis guy is a liar and crook, so it’s hard to take anything he says seriously. That said, as someone who actually works with classified information regularly, he sounds like someone who has never been exposed to anything classified in his life. \nIndividuals’ tax returns are not classified. There may be sharing restrictions on them—and it’s probably prohibited for Giuliani to have had them at his disposal for whatever the hell kind of “vetting” he was doing, but that’s another matter—but that doesn’t make them classified. Certainly not “top secret” anyway. \nFurthermore, there is absolutely nothing strange about the composition of top secret files. They just get printed onto regular letter-sized paper. They are as big or as small as they need to be to make the point they’re aiming to make. If anything, they are artificially larger than they’d need to be because sometimes the author will break out less or more classified points into discrete paragraphs with different portion markings to allow the information to be shared appropriately in other contexts.",
">\n\nHad to scroll halfway through the comments to find this. Tax returns aren’t classified. And definitely not top secret.",
">\n\nThere ya go, Giuliani. Keep on a talkin'.",
">\n\nYou get a top secret file. You get a top secret file. YOU ALL GET A TOP SECRET FILE!\nCheck under your seats.",
">\n\n\nYOU ALL GET A TOP SECRET FILE!\n\nPlease stop abusing all caps.",
">\n\nPay your lawyers Donnie.",
">\n\nAll the little shit birds are singing.",
">\n\nHow nerve racking it must be to know your cohorts can flip on you as soon as they need to save their own ass or deem you too dangerous in association.",
">\n\nBut Hunter Biden’s laptop!!!",
">\n\nWhy aren’t these people in prison now?",
">\n\nSo let me get this straight. Trump screamed like a banshee when faced with having anyone see his own tax returns yet it was perfectly fine for him and Giuliani to 'vet' other peoples returns such as Wilbur Ross - I expect hypocrisy from Trump but showing them to Giuliani must surely be illegal.",
">\n\nThere's a reason clearances exist. It makes no godamn sense why the president doesn't need to be held to the same standard for top secret as any other personal in the DoD."
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I thought Rudy was the lawyer. Why is he taking advice from trump?
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[
"Did Rudy have security clearance to even view those documents?",
">\n\nNone of Trumps top advisors (including all his kids) could pass security clearance standards.",
">\n\nYet they held them :P. At least Kushner did.",
">\n\nThey all did, Kushner was the one who immediately rose suspection.",
">\n\nTrump had to personally step in to grant Kush his clearance because he kept getting caught lying on his application forms.",
">\n\nHow did he give him clearance, just thinking about it?",
">\n\nHe just had to say . \"You now have top secret clearance . \"",
">\n\nI didn't know that Jabba the Hutt had jedi mind powers...",
">\n\nCome on, even the most corrupt crimelord in a Galaxy Far, Far Away paid his subcontractors and ran an efficient criminal enterprise.\nTrump managed to bankrupt a casino, and I still have yet to truly understand how he failed a place that is designed to seperate people from their money. Aside from being so shitty no one would be seen there which sounds about on par for his 'brand'.",
">\n\n\nTrump managed to bankrupt a casino,\n\nthats not quite accurate\ni think it was 3 casinos at least.",
">\n\n\nGiuliani also said top secret files are \"very, very strange the way they're put together\" and \"often are very small, but they contain a lot of information.\"\n\nFor the love of god please please shut up.",
">\n\nTalking about the formatting of top secret docs is literally giving away classified information. How is this guy not in prison yet?",
">\n\nThat guy was president.., that’s why.\nRemember when a game show host ran for president?\nDo you remember thinking it was a complete joke? \nAnd then that pathetic liar and ruiner of lives actually won?\nThat’s why… \n…cuz half of this country “hated school”…and is also ironically still stuck in high school",
">\n\n\nhalf of this country “hated school”…and is also ironically still stuck in high school\n\nThis hits hard. While there's no simple explanation for what's happening, I feel this hits the nail on the head. So much I think many \"conservatives\" and \"centrists\" would agree.",
">\n\n\nGiuliani said he was at Mar-a-Lago, working on \"vetting\" some \"very rich\" people — specifically, going through their tax returns for Trump. \n\nUm what?",
">\n\nVery legal. Very cool.",
">\n\nI mean, it's so casual for them to be doing this that they are talking about it openly. So I guess this is how our government is run?",
">\n\nWell It's how Trump's government was run.",
">\n\nReferring to a government under a certain president’s term as their government is common practice. Things and the procedures by which they happen change drastically with the new leader nearly every time.\nThough, to your point, it has been the same shitstorm for a while now.\nPointless comment over and out. o7",
">\n\nWhat is the play here by Giuliani… what is he up to",
">\n\nTrump didn't pay him for his work promoting the big lie and trying to get the election overturned, so....",
">\n\nThey definitely have mutual dirt on each other going back decades.\nThe idiot almost said as much in public, saying that he had \"insurance.\"\nIt kind of explains the desperation. Not the idiocy, though.",
">\n\nBut I don’t see endless headlines to get Julie in any legal trouble. I wonder if this is an attempt to save his own ass through some deal.",
">\n\nI'm just very confused. Giuliani had no right to look at classified documents, let alone take them home. Now he said he never took any home, but did he even read them? Just cause he's the President's lawyer, that doesn't automatically give some clearance right?",
">\n\nI’ve never seen that and wish I hadn’t to be honest. So gross.",
">\n\nDid they hand out top secret documents in maralargo like some sort of goodie bag? \nLike here is a diet coke, cheesburger Maga hat and some top secret satellite photos of Iranian nuke sites.",
">\n\n\"What's your net worth? Ooooh, nice! Have a complimentary nuclear secret!\"\n\"Dude, I just wanna know how to get to the pool.\"",
">\n\n\"He told me, 'Oh, take them home with you,'\" Giuliani said of Trump. \"I'm not going to take Wilbur Ross' tax returns home with me. I could misplace them!\"\n\"I — you know, I never, ever, ever, ever, ever, knowingly, and I never got caught — but I don't remember ever taking a doc,\" Giuliani added. He said he would place documents in a small safe at his desk in Mar-a-Lago to be worked on the next day.\nGiuliani also said top secret files are \"very, very strange the way they're put together\" and \"often are very small, but they contain a lot of information.\"",
">\n\nGiuliani sounds guilty as hell to me.",
">\n\n\nI never, ever ever ever ever\n\nWords of an innocent man I tell ya",
">\n\n\"and I never got caught\" lol",
">\n\nHe said the thing he wasn’t supposed to say out loud.",
">\n\nI believe at least two things are in play here.\n1st, and most importantly, Trump took those documents to sell nuclear secrets to the Saudis. I absolutely believe this happened.\nThe other is that Trump is a grandiose narcissistic braggart. He took those documents just so that he could brag to people that he has possession of TS documents.",
">\n\nIs there any reporting on the 1st assumption?",
">\n\nNothing that would stand up in court. Just circumstantial stuff as far as I know right now. There were apparently nuclear documents, but I don't know what type of information was in them, and we know about the Saudi involvement with Kushner and the golf tournament thing with Trump.",
">\n\nAh okay, just curious.",
">\n\nand Giuliani is the type that can't seem to keep his mouth shut lol",
">\n\nHe basically admitting that not only did people who shouldn't have seen them look at top secret documents but in all likelihood many of them brought them home.\nIf I was the FBI I'd bring this to the judge as probable cause to search half a dozen trump associate properties for top secret documents.",
">\n\nHe took documents home",
">\n\nAt least he never got caught.",
">\n\nI hear no one still knows about it!",
">\n\nEveryone knows people are saying that",
">\n\nRudy is trying to get paid for a 6 figure or maybe even 7 figure legal bill. So if he floats this idea at a time when the special prosecutor is tightening his noose he may get Trump to pay him. Birds of a feather. They truly deserve each other. Yuck!",
">\n\nSo who here thinks if Rudy is saying he didn't out of the cleat blue sky, someone should check it out?\nAlso... \"Vetting rich people?\" That is a really weird way of saying,\"picking cabinet members.\" That seems a little telling.",
">\n\nTranslation: \"Juicy Research to keep the person in line in case they think about turning\"",
">\n\nThis guy might be super stupid to confessing openly about this treason!",
">\n\nWorst case scenario he does 3-6 months in a privately operated prison for wealthy celebrities. He can admit to murder and offer evidence of it and it'd still be years before he served those 6 months",
">\n\nOur systems have totally failed us. Intelligence, DOJ and inmoral politicians who placed party and greed over country!",
">\n\n\nRudy Giuliani says Trump once told him to take top-secret documents home. Giuliani said the incident occurred just after Trump became president, when he was working at Mar-a-Lago. [emphasis mine]\n\nNot the least bit surprising.\nAlso wouldn't be surprising if it is ultimately discovered that Trump has been stealing classified documents and selling them to hostile foreign interests from the moment he first set foot in - and stained - the Oval Office w/his presence.\nI believe Trump's meetings w/Russian oligarchs, Putin, etc., where no U.S. press , or even a translator were allowed were tip offs, red flags that went ignored.",
">\n\nEver wonder why North Korea's Ballistic Missles started flying straighter and longer from the time after Trump started meeting with \"his favorite little dictator?\"",
">\n\nNo, you don't start to get empathy for what he told you to do. You did it, you complied, and you covered for it. You and all the other cronies should go right down with him. You don't get to come up later and point blame at him. You're just as despicable. Lock 'em all up!",
">\n\n\"Never got caught\"...yeah, he's totally innocent.",
">\n\nAlways figured Rudy would flip quickly.",
">\n\nNot to worry they were safely secured at the Four Seasons Total Landscaping in NE Philly",
">\n\nnah... the SCIF is at the Dildo Emporium.\nDo you even Top Secret dude?",
">\n\nRepublicans: Oh yeah! Well Champ advised Biden to take home Classified documents too!",
">\n\nsome mondays i can identify the specific thing that pushed me into \"i hate mondays\" mode. today it's the re-realization that rudy giuliani had access to real government secrets. rudy cousin-fucking giuliani.",
">\n\nHe is a lawyer. He cannot plead ignorance on matters of law.",
">\n\nPleading ignorance doesn’t work for anyone. If it did, Trump would be home free.",
">\n\nTrump is home free.",
">\n\nI have a hypothesis that Giuliani went after the Italian and Irish mafia in NYC to make way for the Russian mafia.",
">\n\nSounds possible. The timing is perfect.",
">\n\nGlad to know I'm not the only one who thinks the timing was perfect :)",
">\n\n\n\"He told me, 'Oh, take them home with you,'\" Giuliani said of Trump. \"I'm not going to take Wilbur Ross' tax returns home with me. I could misplace them!\"\n\"I — you know, I never, ever, ever, ever, ever, knowingly, and I never got caught — but I don't remember ever taking a doc,\" Giuliani added. He said he would place documents in a small safe at his desk in Mar-a-Lago to be worked on the next day.\nGiuliani also said top secret files are \"very, very strange the way they're put together\" and \"often are very small, but they contain a lot of information.\"\n\nThis guy is a liar and crook, so it’s hard to take anything he says seriously. That said, as someone who actually works with classified information regularly, he sounds like someone who has never been exposed to anything classified in his life. \nIndividuals’ tax returns are not classified. There may be sharing restrictions on them—and it’s probably prohibited for Giuliani to have had them at his disposal for whatever the hell kind of “vetting” he was doing, but that’s another matter—but that doesn’t make them classified. Certainly not “top secret” anyway. \nFurthermore, there is absolutely nothing strange about the composition of top secret files. They just get printed onto regular letter-sized paper. They are as big or as small as they need to be to make the point they’re aiming to make. If anything, they are artificially larger than they’d need to be because sometimes the author will break out less or more classified points into discrete paragraphs with different portion markings to allow the information to be shared appropriately in other contexts.",
">\n\nHad to scroll halfway through the comments to find this. Tax returns aren’t classified. And definitely not top secret.",
">\n\nThere ya go, Giuliani. Keep on a talkin'.",
">\n\nYou get a top secret file. You get a top secret file. YOU ALL GET A TOP SECRET FILE!\nCheck under your seats.",
">\n\n\nYOU ALL GET A TOP SECRET FILE!\n\nPlease stop abusing all caps.",
">\n\nPay your lawyers Donnie.",
">\n\nAll the little shit birds are singing.",
">\n\nHow nerve racking it must be to know your cohorts can flip on you as soon as they need to save their own ass or deem you too dangerous in association.",
">\n\nBut Hunter Biden’s laptop!!!",
">\n\nWhy aren’t these people in prison now?",
">\n\nSo let me get this straight. Trump screamed like a banshee when faced with having anyone see his own tax returns yet it was perfectly fine for him and Giuliani to 'vet' other peoples returns such as Wilbur Ross - I expect hypocrisy from Trump but showing them to Giuliani must surely be illegal.",
">\n\nThere's a reason clearances exist. It makes no godamn sense why the president doesn't need to be held to the same standard for top secret as any other personal in the DoD.",
">\n\nRudy feeling left out"
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yeah, I thought Rudy was the one who is supposed to be advising Trump
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[
"Did Rudy have security clearance to even view those documents?",
">\n\nNone of Trumps top advisors (including all his kids) could pass security clearance standards.",
">\n\nYet they held them :P. At least Kushner did.",
">\n\nThey all did, Kushner was the one who immediately rose suspection.",
">\n\nTrump had to personally step in to grant Kush his clearance because he kept getting caught lying on his application forms.",
">\n\nHow did he give him clearance, just thinking about it?",
">\n\nHe just had to say . \"You now have top secret clearance . \"",
">\n\nI didn't know that Jabba the Hutt had jedi mind powers...",
">\n\nCome on, even the most corrupt crimelord in a Galaxy Far, Far Away paid his subcontractors and ran an efficient criminal enterprise.\nTrump managed to bankrupt a casino, and I still have yet to truly understand how he failed a place that is designed to seperate people from their money. Aside from being so shitty no one would be seen there which sounds about on par for his 'brand'.",
">\n\n\nTrump managed to bankrupt a casino,\n\nthats not quite accurate\ni think it was 3 casinos at least.",
">\n\n\nGiuliani also said top secret files are \"very, very strange the way they're put together\" and \"often are very small, but they contain a lot of information.\"\n\nFor the love of god please please shut up.",
">\n\nTalking about the formatting of top secret docs is literally giving away classified information. How is this guy not in prison yet?",
">\n\nThat guy was president.., that’s why.\nRemember when a game show host ran for president?\nDo you remember thinking it was a complete joke? \nAnd then that pathetic liar and ruiner of lives actually won?\nThat’s why… \n…cuz half of this country “hated school”…and is also ironically still stuck in high school",
">\n\n\nhalf of this country “hated school”…and is also ironically still stuck in high school\n\nThis hits hard. While there's no simple explanation for what's happening, I feel this hits the nail on the head. So much I think many \"conservatives\" and \"centrists\" would agree.",
">\n\n\nGiuliani said he was at Mar-a-Lago, working on \"vetting\" some \"very rich\" people — specifically, going through their tax returns for Trump. \n\nUm what?",
">\n\nVery legal. Very cool.",
">\n\nI mean, it's so casual for them to be doing this that they are talking about it openly. So I guess this is how our government is run?",
">\n\nWell It's how Trump's government was run.",
">\n\nReferring to a government under a certain president’s term as their government is common practice. Things and the procedures by which they happen change drastically with the new leader nearly every time.\nThough, to your point, it has been the same shitstorm for a while now.\nPointless comment over and out. o7",
">\n\nWhat is the play here by Giuliani… what is he up to",
">\n\nTrump didn't pay him for his work promoting the big lie and trying to get the election overturned, so....",
">\n\nThey definitely have mutual dirt on each other going back decades.\nThe idiot almost said as much in public, saying that he had \"insurance.\"\nIt kind of explains the desperation. Not the idiocy, though.",
">\n\nBut I don’t see endless headlines to get Julie in any legal trouble. I wonder if this is an attempt to save his own ass through some deal.",
">\n\nI'm just very confused. Giuliani had no right to look at classified documents, let alone take them home. Now he said he never took any home, but did he even read them? Just cause he's the President's lawyer, that doesn't automatically give some clearance right?",
">\n\nI’ve never seen that and wish I hadn’t to be honest. So gross.",
">\n\nDid they hand out top secret documents in maralargo like some sort of goodie bag? \nLike here is a diet coke, cheesburger Maga hat and some top secret satellite photos of Iranian nuke sites.",
">\n\n\"What's your net worth? Ooooh, nice! Have a complimentary nuclear secret!\"\n\"Dude, I just wanna know how to get to the pool.\"",
">\n\n\"He told me, 'Oh, take them home with you,'\" Giuliani said of Trump. \"I'm not going to take Wilbur Ross' tax returns home with me. I could misplace them!\"\n\"I — you know, I never, ever, ever, ever, ever, knowingly, and I never got caught — but I don't remember ever taking a doc,\" Giuliani added. He said he would place documents in a small safe at his desk in Mar-a-Lago to be worked on the next day.\nGiuliani also said top secret files are \"very, very strange the way they're put together\" and \"often are very small, but they contain a lot of information.\"",
">\n\nGiuliani sounds guilty as hell to me.",
">\n\n\nI never, ever ever ever ever\n\nWords of an innocent man I tell ya",
">\n\n\"and I never got caught\" lol",
">\n\nHe said the thing he wasn’t supposed to say out loud.",
">\n\nI believe at least two things are in play here.\n1st, and most importantly, Trump took those documents to sell nuclear secrets to the Saudis. I absolutely believe this happened.\nThe other is that Trump is a grandiose narcissistic braggart. He took those documents just so that he could brag to people that he has possession of TS documents.",
">\n\nIs there any reporting on the 1st assumption?",
">\n\nNothing that would stand up in court. Just circumstantial stuff as far as I know right now. There were apparently nuclear documents, but I don't know what type of information was in them, and we know about the Saudi involvement with Kushner and the golf tournament thing with Trump.",
">\n\nAh okay, just curious.",
">\n\nand Giuliani is the type that can't seem to keep his mouth shut lol",
">\n\nHe basically admitting that not only did people who shouldn't have seen them look at top secret documents but in all likelihood many of them brought them home.\nIf I was the FBI I'd bring this to the judge as probable cause to search half a dozen trump associate properties for top secret documents.",
">\n\nHe took documents home",
">\n\nAt least he never got caught.",
">\n\nI hear no one still knows about it!",
">\n\nEveryone knows people are saying that",
">\n\nRudy is trying to get paid for a 6 figure or maybe even 7 figure legal bill. So if he floats this idea at a time when the special prosecutor is tightening his noose he may get Trump to pay him. Birds of a feather. They truly deserve each other. Yuck!",
">\n\nSo who here thinks if Rudy is saying he didn't out of the cleat blue sky, someone should check it out?\nAlso... \"Vetting rich people?\" That is a really weird way of saying,\"picking cabinet members.\" That seems a little telling.",
">\n\nTranslation: \"Juicy Research to keep the person in line in case they think about turning\"",
">\n\nThis guy might be super stupid to confessing openly about this treason!",
">\n\nWorst case scenario he does 3-6 months in a privately operated prison for wealthy celebrities. He can admit to murder and offer evidence of it and it'd still be years before he served those 6 months",
">\n\nOur systems have totally failed us. Intelligence, DOJ and inmoral politicians who placed party and greed over country!",
">\n\n\nRudy Giuliani says Trump once told him to take top-secret documents home. Giuliani said the incident occurred just after Trump became president, when he was working at Mar-a-Lago. [emphasis mine]\n\nNot the least bit surprising.\nAlso wouldn't be surprising if it is ultimately discovered that Trump has been stealing classified documents and selling them to hostile foreign interests from the moment he first set foot in - and stained - the Oval Office w/his presence.\nI believe Trump's meetings w/Russian oligarchs, Putin, etc., where no U.S. press , or even a translator were allowed were tip offs, red flags that went ignored.",
">\n\nEver wonder why North Korea's Ballistic Missles started flying straighter and longer from the time after Trump started meeting with \"his favorite little dictator?\"",
">\n\nNo, you don't start to get empathy for what he told you to do. You did it, you complied, and you covered for it. You and all the other cronies should go right down with him. You don't get to come up later and point blame at him. You're just as despicable. Lock 'em all up!",
">\n\n\"Never got caught\"...yeah, he's totally innocent.",
">\n\nAlways figured Rudy would flip quickly.",
">\n\nNot to worry they were safely secured at the Four Seasons Total Landscaping in NE Philly",
">\n\nnah... the SCIF is at the Dildo Emporium.\nDo you even Top Secret dude?",
">\n\nRepublicans: Oh yeah! Well Champ advised Biden to take home Classified documents too!",
">\n\nsome mondays i can identify the specific thing that pushed me into \"i hate mondays\" mode. today it's the re-realization that rudy giuliani had access to real government secrets. rudy cousin-fucking giuliani.",
">\n\nHe is a lawyer. He cannot plead ignorance on matters of law.",
">\n\nPleading ignorance doesn’t work for anyone. If it did, Trump would be home free.",
">\n\nTrump is home free.",
">\n\nI have a hypothesis that Giuliani went after the Italian and Irish mafia in NYC to make way for the Russian mafia.",
">\n\nSounds possible. The timing is perfect.",
">\n\nGlad to know I'm not the only one who thinks the timing was perfect :)",
">\n\n\n\"He told me, 'Oh, take them home with you,'\" Giuliani said of Trump. \"I'm not going to take Wilbur Ross' tax returns home with me. I could misplace them!\"\n\"I — you know, I never, ever, ever, ever, ever, knowingly, and I never got caught — but I don't remember ever taking a doc,\" Giuliani added. He said he would place documents in a small safe at his desk in Mar-a-Lago to be worked on the next day.\nGiuliani also said top secret files are \"very, very strange the way they're put together\" and \"often are very small, but they contain a lot of information.\"\n\nThis guy is a liar and crook, so it’s hard to take anything he says seriously. That said, as someone who actually works with classified information regularly, he sounds like someone who has never been exposed to anything classified in his life. \nIndividuals’ tax returns are not classified. There may be sharing restrictions on them—and it’s probably prohibited for Giuliani to have had them at his disposal for whatever the hell kind of “vetting” he was doing, but that’s another matter—but that doesn’t make them classified. Certainly not “top secret” anyway. \nFurthermore, there is absolutely nothing strange about the composition of top secret files. They just get printed onto regular letter-sized paper. They are as big or as small as they need to be to make the point they’re aiming to make. If anything, they are artificially larger than they’d need to be because sometimes the author will break out less or more classified points into discrete paragraphs with different portion markings to allow the information to be shared appropriately in other contexts.",
">\n\nHad to scroll halfway through the comments to find this. Tax returns aren’t classified. And definitely not top secret.",
">\n\nThere ya go, Giuliani. Keep on a talkin'.",
">\n\nYou get a top secret file. You get a top secret file. YOU ALL GET A TOP SECRET FILE!\nCheck under your seats.",
">\n\n\nYOU ALL GET A TOP SECRET FILE!\n\nPlease stop abusing all caps.",
">\n\nPay your lawyers Donnie.",
">\n\nAll the little shit birds are singing.",
">\n\nHow nerve racking it must be to know your cohorts can flip on you as soon as they need to save their own ass or deem you too dangerous in association.",
">\n\nBut Hunter Biden’s laptop!!!",
">\n\nWhy aren’t these people in prison now?",
">\n\nSo let me get this straight. Trump screamed like a banshee when faced with having anyone see his own tax returns yet it was perfectly fine for him and Giuliani to 'vet' other peoples returns such as Wilbur Ross - I expect hypocrisy from Trump but showing them to Giuliani must surely be illegal.",
">\n\nThere's a reason clearances exist. It makes no godamn sense why the president doesn't need to be held to the same standard for top secret as any other personal in the DoD.",
">\n\nRudy feeling left out",
">\n\nI thought Rudy was the lawyer. Why is he taking advice from trump?"
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Well I don’t think he ever gave him helpful advice lol
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[
"Did Rudy have security clearance to even view those documents?",
">\n\nNone of Trumps top advisors (including all his kids) could pass security clearance standards.",
">\n\nYet they held them :P. At least Kushner did.",
">\n\nThey all did, Kushner was the one who immediately rose suspection.",
">\n\nTrump had to personally step in to grant Kush his clearance because he kept getting caught lying on his application forms.",
">\n\nHow did he give him clearance, just thinking about it?",
">\n\nHe just had to say . \"You now have top secret clearance . \"",
">\n\nI didn't know that Jabba the Hutt had jedi mind powers...",
">\n\nCome on, even the most corrupt crimelord in a Galaxy Far, Far Away paid his subcontractors and ran an efficient criminal enterprise.\nTrump managed to bankrupt a casino, and I still have yet to truly understand how he failed a place that is designed to seperate people from their money. Aside from being so shitty no one would be seen there which sounds about on par for his 'brand'.",
">\n\n\nTrump managed to bankrupt a casino,\n\nthats not quite accurate\ni think it was 3 casinos at least.",
">\n\n\nGiuliani also said top secret files are \"very, very strange the way they're put together\" and \"often are very small, but they contain a lot of information.\"\n\nFor the love of god please please shut up.",
">\n\nTalking about the formatting of top secret docs is literally giving away classified information. How is this guy not in prison yet?",
">\n\nThat guy was president.., that’s why.\nRemember when a game show host ran for president?\nDo you remember thinking it was a complete joke? \nAnd then that pathetic liar and ruiner of lives actually won?\nThat’s why… \n…cuz half of this country “hated school”…and is also ironically still stuck in high school",
">\n\n\nhalf of this country “hated school”…and is also ironically still stuck in high school\n\nThis hits hard. While there's no simple explanation for what's happening, I feel this hits the nail on the head. So much I think many \"conservatives\" and \"centrists\" would agree.",
">\n\n\nGiuliani said he was at Mar-a-Lago, working on \"vetting\" some \"very rich\" people — specifically, going through their tax returns for Trump. \n\nUm what?",
">\n\nVery legal. Very cool.",
">\n\nI mean, it's so casual for them to be doing this that they are talking about it openly. So I guess this is how our government is run?",
">\n\nWell It's how Trump's government was run.",
">\n\nReferring to a government under a certain president’s term as their government is common practice. Things and the procedures by which they happen change drastically with the new leader nearly every time.\nThough, to your point, it has been the same shitstorm for a while now.\nPointless comment over and out. o7",
">\n\nWhat is the play here by Giuliani… what is he up to",
">\n\nTrump didn't pay him for his work promoting the big lie and trying to get the election overturned, so....",
">\n\nThey definitely have mutual dirt on each other going back decades.\nThe idiot almost said as much in public, saying that he had \"insurance.\"\nIt kind of explains the desperation. Not the idiocy, though.",
">\n\nBut I don’t see endless headlines to get Julie in any legal trouble. I wonder if this is an attempt to save his own ass through some deal.",
">\n\nI'm just very confused. Giuliani had no right to look at classified documents, let alone take them home. Now he said he never took any home, but did he even read them? Just cause he's the President's lawyer, that doesn't automatically give some clearance right?",
">\n\nI’ve never seen that and wish I hadn’t to be honest. So gross.",
">\n\nDid they hand out top secret documents in maralargo like some sort of goodie bag? \nLike here is a diet coke, cheesburger Maga hat and some top secret satellite photos of Iranian nuke sites.",
">\n\n\"What's your net worth? Ooooh, nice! Have a complimentary nuclear secret!\"\n\"Dude, I just wanna know how to get to the pool.\"",
">\n\n\"He told me, 'Oh, take them home with you,'\" Giuliani said of Trump. \"I'm not going to take Wilbur Ross' tax returns home with me. I could misplace them!\"\n\"I — you know, I never, ever, ever, ever, ever, knowingly, and I never got caught — but I don't remember ever taking a doc,\" Giuliani added. He said he would place documents in a small safe at his desk in Mar-a-Lago to be worked on the next day.\nGiuliani also said top secret files are \"very, very strange the way they're put together\" and \"often are very small, but they contain a lot of information.\"",
">\n\nGiuliani sounds guilty as hell to me.",
">\n\n\nI never, ever ever ever ever\n\nWords of an innocent man I tell ya",
">\n\n\"and I never got caught\" lol",
">\n\nHe said the thing he wasn’t supposed to say out loud.",
">\n\nI believe at least two things are in play here.\n1st, and most importantly, Trump took those documents to sell nuclear secrets to the Saudis. I absolutely believe this happened.\nThe other is that Trump is a grandiose narcissistic braggart. He took those documents just so that he could brag to people that he has possession of TS documents.",
">\n\nIs there any reporting on the 1st assumption?",
">\n\nNothing that would stand up in court. Just circumstantial stuff as far as I know right now. There were apparently nuclear documents, but I don't know what type of information was in them, and we know about the Saudi involvement with Kushner and the golf tournament thing with Trump.",
">\n\nAh okay, just curious.",
">\n\nand Giuliani is the type that can't seem to keep his mouth shut lol",
">\n\nHe basically admitting that not only did people who shouldn't have seen them look at top secret documents but in all likelihood many of them brought them home.\nIf I was the FBI I'd bring this to the judge as probable cause to search half a dozen trump associate properties for top secret documents.",
">\n\nHe took documents home",
">\n\nAt least he never got caught.",
">\n\nI hear no one still knows about it!",
">\n\nEveryone knows people are saying that",
">\n\nRudy is trying to get paid for a 6 figure or maybe even 7 figure legal bill. So if he floats this idea at a time when the special prosecutor is tightening his noose he may get Trump to pay him. Birds of a feather. They truly deserve each other. Yuck!",
">\n\nSo who here thinks if Rudy is saying he didn't out of the cleat blue sky, someone should check it out?\nAlso... \"Vetting rich people?\" That is a really weird way of saying,\"picking cabinet members.\" That seems a little telling.",
">\n\nTranslation: \"Juicy Research to keep the person in line in case they think about turning\"",
">\n\nThis guy might be super stupid to confessing openly about this treason!",
">\n\nWorst case scenario he does 3-6 months in a privately operated prison for wealthy celebrities. He can admit to murder and offer evidence of it and it'd still be years before he served those 6 months",
">\n\nOur systems have totally failed us. Intelligence, DOJ and inmoral politicians who placed party and greed over country!",
">\n\n\nRudy Giuliani says Trump once told him to take top-secret documents home. Giuliani said the incident occurred just after Trump became president, when he was working at Mar-a-Lago. [emphasis mine]\n\nNot the least bit surprising.\nAlso wouldn't be surprising if it is ultimately discovered that Trump has been stealing classified documents and selling them to hostile foreign interests from the moment he first set foot in - and stained - the Oval Office w/his presence.\nI believe Trump's meetings w/Russian oligarchs, Putin, etc., where no U.S. press , or even a translator were allowed were tip offs, red flags that went ignored.",
">\n\nEver wonder why North Korea's Ballistic Missles started flying straighter and longer from the time after Trump started meeting with \"his favorite little dictator?\"",
">\n\nNo, you don't start to get empathy for what he told you to do. You did it, you complied, and you covered for it. You and all the other cronies should go right down with him. You don't get to come up later and point blame at him. You're just as despicable. Lock 'em all up!",
">\n\n\"Never got caught\"...yeah, he's totally innocent.",
">\n\nAlways figured Rudy would flip quickly.",
">\n\nNot to worry they were safely secured at the Four Seasons Total Landscaping in NE Philly",
">\n\nnah... the SCIF is at the Dildo Emporium.\nDo you even Top Secret dude?",
">\n\nRepublicans: Oh yeah! Well Champ advised Biden to take home Classified documents too!",
">\n\nsome mondays i can identify the specific thing that pushed me into \"i hate mondays\" mode. today it's the re-realization that rudy giuliani had access to real government secrets. rudy cousin-fucking giuliani.",
">\n\nHe is a lawyer. He cannot plead ignorance on matters of law.",
">\n\nPleading ignorance doesn’t work for anyone. If it did, Trump would be home free.",
">\n\nTrump is home free.",
">\n\nI have a hypothesis that Giuliani went after the Italian and Irish mafia in NYC to make way for the Russian mafia.",
">\n\nSounds possible. The timing is perfect.",
">\n\nGlad to know I'm not the only one who thinks the timing was perfect :)",
">\n\n\n\"He told me, 'Oh, take them home with you,'\" Giuliani said of Trump. \"I'm not going to take Wilbur Ross' tax returns home with me. I could misplace them!\"\n\"I — you know, I never, ever, ever, ever, ever, knowingly, and I never got caught — but I don't remember ever taking a doc,\" Giuliani added. He said he would place documents in a small safe at his desk in Mar-a-Lago to be worked on the next day.\nGiuliani also said top secret files are \"very, very strange the way they're put together\" and \"often are very small, but they contain a lot of information.\"\n\nThis guy is a liar and crook, so it’s hard to take anything he says seriously. That said, as someone who actually works with classified information regularly, he sounds like someone who has never been exposed to anything classified in his life. \nIndividuals’ tax returns are not classified. There may be sharing restrictions on them—and it’s probably prohibited for Giuliani to have had them at his disposal for whatever the hell kind of “vetting” he was doing, but that’s another matter—but that doesn’t make them classified. Certainly not “top secret” anyway. \nFurthermore, there is absolutely nothing strange about the composition of top secret files. They just get printed onto regular letter-sized paper. They are as big or as small as they need to be to make the point they’re aiming to make. If anything, they are artificially larger than they’d need to be because sometimes the author will break out less or more classified points into discrete paragraphs with different portion markings to allow the information to be shared appropriately in other contexts.",
">\n\nHad to scroll halfway through the comments to find this. Tax returns aren’t classified. And definitely not top secret.",
">\n\nThere ya go, Giuliani. Keep on a talkin'.",
">\n\nYou get a top secret file. You get a top secret file. YOU ALL GET A TOP SECRET FILE!\nCheck under your seats.",
">\n\n\nYOU ALL GET A TOP SECRET FILE!\n\nPlease stop abusing all caps.",
">\n\nPay your lawyers Donnie.",
">\n\nAll the little shit birds are singing.",
">\n\nHow nerve racking it must be to know your cohorts can flip on you as soon as they need to save their own ass or deem you too dangerous in association.",
">\n\nBut Hunter Biden’s laptop!!!",
">\n\nWhy aren’t these people in prison now?",
">\n\nSo let me get this straight. Trump screamed like a banshee when faced with having anyone see his own tax returns yet it was perfectly fine for him and Giuliani to 'vet' other peoples returns such as Wilbur Ross - I expect hypocrisy from Trump but showing them to Giuliani must surely be illegal.",
">\n\nThere's a reason clearances exist. It makes no godamn sense why the president doesn't need to be held to the same standard for top secret as any other personal in the DoD.",
">\n\nRudy feeling left out",
">\n\nI thought Rudy was the lawyer. Why is he taking advice from trump?",
">\n\nyeah, I thought Rudy was the one who is supposed to be advising Trump"
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Remember how Rudy said he had Hunter's laptop? Pepperidge Farms remembers.
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[
"Did Rudy have security clearance to even view those documents?",
">\n\nNone of Trumps top advisors (including all his kids) could pass security clearance standards.",
">\n\nYet they held them :P. At least Kushner did.",
">\n\nThey all did, Kushner was the one who immediately rose suspection.",
">\n\nTrump had to personally step in to grant Kush his clearance because he kept getting caught lying on his application forms.",
">\n\nHow did he give him clearance, just thinking about it?",
">\n\nHe just had to say . \"You now have top secret clearance . \"",
">\n\nI didn't know that Jabba the Hutt had jedi mind powers...",
">\n\nCome on, even the most corrupt crimelord in a Galaxy Far, Far Away paid his subcontractors and ran an efficient criminal enterprise.\nTrump managed to bankrupt a casino, and I still have yet to truly understand how he failed a place that is designed to seperate people from their money. Aside from being so shitty no one would be seen there which sounds about on par for his 'brand'.",
">\n\n\nTrump managed to bankrupt a casino,\n\nthats not quite accurate\ni think it was 3 casinos at least.",
">\n\n\nGiuliani also said top secret files are \"very, very strange the way they're put together\" and \"often are very small, but they contain a lot of information.\"\n\nFor the love of god please please shut up.",
">\n\nTalking about the formatting of top secret docs is literally giving away classified information. How is this guy not in prison yet?",
">\n\nThat guy was president.., that’s why.\nRemember when a game show host ran for president?\nDo you remember thinking it was a complete joke? \nAnd then that pathetic liar and ruiner of lives actually won?\nThat’s why… \n…cuz half of this country “hated school”…and is also ironically still stuck in high school",
">\n\n\nhalf of this country “hated school”…and is also ironically still stuck in high school\n\nThis hits hard. While there's no simple explanation for what's happening, I feel this hits the nail on the head. So much I think many \"conservatives\" and \"centrists\" would agree.",
">\n\n\nGiuliani said he was at Mar-a-Lago, working on \"vetting\" some \"very rich\" people — specifically, going through their tax returns for Trump. \n\nUm what?",
">\n\nVery legal. Very cool.",
">\n\nI mean, it's so casual for them to be doing this that they are talking about it openly. So I guess this is how our government is run?",
">\n\nWell It's how Trump's government was run.",
">\n\nReferring to a government under a certain president’s term as their government is common practice. Things and the procedures by which they happen change drastically with the new leader nearly every time.\nThough, to your point, it has been the same shitstorm for a while now.\nPointless comment over and out. o7",
">\n\nWhat is the play here by Giuliani… what is he up to",
">\n\nTrump didn't pay him for his work promoting the big lie and trying to get the election overturned, so....",
">\n\nThey definitely have mutual dirt on each other going back decades.\nThe idiot almost said as much in public, saying that he had \"insurance.\"\nIt kind of explains the desperation. Not the idiocy, though.",
">\n\nBut I don’t see endless headlines to get Julie in any legal trouble. I wonder if this is an attempt to save his own ass through some deal.",
">\n\nI'm just very confused. Giuliani had no right to look at classified documents, let alone take them home. Now he said he never took any home, but did he even read them? Just cause he's the President's lawyer, that doesn't automatically give some clearance right?",
">\n\nI’ve never seen that and wish I hadn’t to be honest. So gross.",
">\n\nDid they hand out top secret documents in maralargo like some sort of goodie bag? \nLike here is a diet coke, cheesburger Maga hat and some top secret satellite photos of Iranian nuke sites.",
">\n\n\"What's your net worth? Ooooh, nice! Have a complimentary nuclear secret!\"\n\"Dude, I just wanna know how to get to the pool.\"",
">\n\n\"He told me, 'Oh, take them home with you,'\" Giuliani said of Trump. \"I'm not going to take Wilbur Ross' tax returns home with me. I could misplace them!\"\n\"I — you know, I never, ever, ever, ever, ever, knowingly, and I never got caught — but I don't remember ever taking a doc,\" Giuliani added. He said he would place documents in a small safe at his desk in Mar-a-Lago to be worked on the next day.\nGiuliani also said top secret files are \"very, very strange the way they're put together\" and \"often are very small, but they contain a lot of information.\"",
">\n\nGiuliani sounds guilty as hell to me.",
">\n\n\nI never, ever ever ever ever\n\nWords of an innocent man I tell ya",
">\n\n\"and I never got caught\" lol",
">\n\nHe said the thing he wasn’t supposed to say out loud.",
">\n\nI believe at least two things are in play here.\n1st, and most importantly, Trump took those documents to sell nuclear secrets to the Saudis. I absolutely believe this happened.\nThe other is that Trump is a grandiose narcissistic braggart. He took those documents just so that he could brag to people that he has possession of TS documents.",
">\n\nIs there any reporting on the 1st assumption?",
">\n\nNothing that would stand up in court. Just circumstantial stuff as far as I know right now. There were apparently nuclear documents, but I don't know what type of information was in them, and we know about the Saudi involvement with Kushner and the golf tournament thing with Trump.",
">\n\nAh okay, just curious.",
">\n\nand Giuliani is the type that can't seem to keep his mouth shut lol",
">\n\nHe basically admitting that not only did people who shouldn't have seen them look at top secret documents but in all likelihood many of them brought them home.\nIf I was the FBI I'd bring this to the judge as probable cause to search half a dozen trump associate properties for top secret documents.",
">\n\nHe took documents home",
">\n\nAt least he never got caught.",
">\n\nI hear no one still knows about it!",
">\n\nEveryone knows people are saying that",
">\n\nRudy is trying to get paid for a 6 figure or maybe even 7 figure legal bill. So if he floats this idea at a time when the special prosecutor is tightening his noose he may get Trump to pay him. Birds of a feather. They truly deserve each other. Yuck!",
">\n\nSo who here thinks if Rudy is saying he didn't out of the cleat blue sky, someone should check it out?\nAlso... \"Vetting rich people?\" That is a really weird way of saying,\"picking cabinet members.\" That seems a little telling.",
">\n\nTranslation: \"Juicy Research to keep the person in line in case they think about turning\"",
">\n\nThis guy might be super stupid to confessing openly about this treason!",
">\n\nWorst case scenario he does 3-6 months in a privately operated prison for wealthy celebrities. He can admit to murder and offer evidence of it and it'd still be years before he served those 6 months",
">\n\nOur systems have totally failed us. Intelligence, DOJ and inmoral politicians who placed party and greed over country!",
">\n\n\nRudy Giuliani says Trump once told him to take top-secret documents home. Giuliani said the incident occurred just after Trump became president, when he was working at Mar-a-Lago. [emphasis mine]\n\nNot the least bit surprising.\nAlso wouldn't be surprising if it is ultimately discovered that Trump has been stealing classified documents and selling them to hostile foreign interests from the moment he first set foot in - and stained - the Oval Office w/his presence.\nI believe Trump's meetings w/Russian oligarchs, Putin, etc., where no U.S. press , or even a translator were allowed were tip offs, red flags that went ignored.",
">\n\nEver wonder why North Korea's Ballistic Missles started flying straighter and longer from the time after Trump started meeting with \"his favorite little dictator?\"",
">\n\nNo, you don't start to get empathy for what he told you to do. You did it, you complied, and you covered for it. You and all the other cronies should go right down with him. You don't get to come up later and point blame at him. You're just as despicable. Lock 'em all up!",
">\n\n\"Never got caught\"...yeah, he's totally innocent.",
">\n\nAlways figured Rudy would flip quickly.",
">\n\nNot to worry they were safely secured at the Four Seasons Total Landscaping in NE Philly",
">\n\nnah... the SCIF is at the Dildo Emporium.\nDo you even Top Secret dude?",
">\n\nRepublicans: Oh yeah! Well Champ advised Biden to take home Classified documents too!",
">\n\nsome mondays i can identify the specific thing that pushed me into \"i hate mondays\" mode. today it's the re-realization that rudy giuliani had access to real government secrets. rudy cousin-fucking giuliani.",
">\n\nHe is a lawyer. He cannot plead ignorance on matters of law.",
">\n\nPleading ignorance doesn’t work for anyone. If it did, Trump would be home free.",
">\n\nTrump is home free.",
">\n\nI have a hypothesis that Giuliani went after the Italian and Irish mafia in NYC to make way for the Russian mafia.",
">\n\nSounds possible. The timing is perfect.",
">\n\nGlad to know I'm not the only one who thinks the timing was perfect :)",
">\n\n\n\"He told me, 'Oh, take them home with you,'\" Giuliani said of Trump. \"I'm not going to take Wilbur Ross' tax returns home with me. I could misplace them!\"\n\"I — you know, I never, ever, ever, ever, ever, knowingly, and I never got caught — but I don't remember ever taking a doc,\" Giuliani added. He said he would place documents in a small safe at his desk in Mar-a-Lago to be worked on the next day.\nGiuliani also said top secret files are \"very, very strange the way they're put together\" and \"often are very small, but they contain a lot of information.\"\n\nThis guy is a liar and crook, so it’s hard to take anything he says seriously. That said, as someone who actually works with classified information regularly, he sounds like someone who has never been exposed to anything classified in his life. \nIndividuals’ tax returns are not classified. There may be sharing restrictions on them—and it’s probably prohibited for Giuliani to have had them at his disposal for whatever the hell kind of “vetting” he was doing, but that’s another matter—but that doesn’t make them classified. Certainly not “top secret” anyway. \nFurthermore, there is absolutely nothing strange about the composition of top secret files. They just get printed onto regular letter-sized paper. They are as big or as small as they need to be to make the point they’re aiming to make. If anything, they are artificially larger than they’d need to be because sometimes the author will break out less or more classified points into discrete paragraphs with different portion markings to allow the information to be shared appropriately in other contexts.",
">\n\nHad to scroll halfway through the comments to find this. Tax returns aren’t classified. And definitely not top secret.",
">\n\nThere ya go, Giuliani. Keep on a talkin'.",
">\n\nYou get a top secret file. You get a top secret file. YOU ALL GET A TOP SECRET FILE!\nCheck under your seats.",
">\n\n\nYOU ALL GET A TOP SECRET FILE!\n\nPlease stop abusing all caps.",
">\n\nPay your lawyers Donnie.",
">\n\nAll the little shit birds are singing.",
">\n\nHow nerve racking it must be to know your cohorts can flip on you as soon as they need to save their own ass or deem you too dangerous in association.",
">\n\nBut Hunter Biden’s laptop!!!",
">\n\nWhy aren’t these people in prison now?",
">\n\nSo let me get this straight. Trump screamed like a banshee when faced with having anyone see his own tax returns yet it was perfectly fine for him and Giuliani to 'vet' other peoples returns such as Wilbur Ross - I expect hypocrisy from Trump but showing them to Giuliani must surely be illegal.",
">\n\nThere's a reason clearances exist. It makes no godamn sense why the president doesn't need to be held to the same standard for top secret as any other personal in the DoD.",
">\n\nRudy feeling left out",
">\n\nI thought Rudy was the lawyer. Why is he taking advice from trump?",
">\n\nyeah, I thought Rudy was the one who is supposed to be advising Trump",
">\n\nWell I don’t think he ever gave him helpful advice lol"
] |
>
"I — you know, I never, ever, ever, ever, ever, knowingly, and I never got caught — but I don't remember ever taking a doc," Giuliani added. He said he would place documents in a small safe at his desk in Mar-a-Lago to be worked on the next day
"knowingly" seems like an important word in that sentence as the classified documents laws talk about taking the docs with intent. So I think this is him saying that he didnt break the law with intent so no harm, no foul.
Giuliani CYA.
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[
"Did Rudy have security clearance to even view those documents?",
">\n\nNone of Trumps top advisors (including all his kids) could pass security clearance standards.",
">\n\nYet they held them :P. At least Kushner did.",
">\n\nThey all did, Kushner was the one who immediately rose suspection.",
">\n\nTrump had to personally step in to grant Kush his clearance because he kept getting caught lying on his application forms.",
">\n\nHow did he give him clearance, just thinking about it?",
">\n\nHe just had to say . \"You now have top secret clearance . \"",
">\n\nI didn't know that Jabba the Hutt had jedi mind powers...",
">\n\nCome on, even the most corrupt crimelord in a Galaxy Far, Far Away paid his subcontractors and ran an efficient criminal enterprise.\nTrump managed to bankrupt a casino, and I still have yet to truly understand how he failed a place that is designed to seperate people from their money. Aside from being so shitty no one would be seen there which sounds about on par for his 'brand'.",
">\n\n\nTrump managed to bankrupt a casino,\n\nthats not quite accurate\ni think it was 3 casinos at least.",
">\n\n\nGiuliani also said top secret files are \"very, very strange the way they're put together\" and \"often are very small, but they contain a lot of information.\"\n\nFor the love of god please please shut up.",
">\n\nTalking about the formatting of top secret docs is literally giving away classified information. How is this guy not in prison yet?",
">\n\nThat guy was president.., that’s why.\nRemember when a game show host ran for president?\nDo you remember thinking it was a complete joke? \nAnd then that pathetic liar and ruiner of lives actually won?\nThat’s why… \n…cuz half of this country “hated school”…and is also ironically still stuck in high school",
">\n\n\nhalf of this country “hated school”…and is also ironically still stuck in high school\n\nThis hits hard. While there's no simple explanation for what's happening, I feel this hits the nail on the head. So much I think many \"conservatives\" and \"centrists\" would agree.",
">\n\n\nGiuliani said he was at Mar-a-Lago, working on \"vetting\" some \"very rich\" people — specifically, going through their tax returns for Trump. \n\nUm what?",
">\n\nVery legal. Very cool.",
">\n\nI mean, it's so casual for them to be doing this that they are talking about it openly. So I guess this is how our government is run?",
">\n\nWell It's how Trump's government was run.",
">\n\nReferring to a government under a certain president’s term as their government is common practice. Things and the procedures by which they happen change drastically with the new leader nearly every time.\nThough, to your point, it has been the same shitstorm for a while now.\nPointless comment over and out. o7",
">\n\nWhat is the play here by Giuliani… what is he up to",
">\n\nTrump didn't pay him for his work promoting the big lie and trying to get the election overturned, so....",
">\n\nThey definitely have mutual dirt on each other going back decades.\nThe idiot almost said as much in public, saying that he had \"insurance.\"\nIt kind of explains the desperation. Not the idiocy, though.",
">\n\nBut I don’t see endless headlines to get Julie in any legal trouble. I wonder if this is an attempt to save his own ass through some deal.",
">\n\nI'm just very confused. Giuliani had no right to look at classified documents, let alone take them home. Now he said he never took any home, but did he even read them? Just cause he's the President's lawyer, that doesn't automatically give some clearance right?",
">\n\nI’ve never seen that and wish I hadn’t to be honest. So gross.",
">\n\nDid they hand out top secret documents in maralargo like some sort of goodie bag? \nLike here is a diet coke, cheesburger Maga hat and some top secret satellite photos of Iranian nuke sites.",
">\n\n\"What's your net worth? Ooooh, nice! Have a complimentary nuclear secret!\"\n\"Dude, I just wanna know how to get to the pool.\"",
">\n\n\"He told me, 'Oh, take them home with you,'\" Giuliani said of Trump. \"I'm not going to take Wilbur Ross' tax returns home with me. I could misplace them!\"\n\"I — you know, I never, ever, ever, ever, ever, knowingly, and I never got caught — but I don't remember ever taking a doc,\" Giuliani added. He said he would place documents in a small safe at his desk in Mar-a-Lago to be worked on the next day.\nGiuliani also said top secret files are \"very, very strange the way they're put together\" and \"often are very small, but they contain a lot of information.\"",
">\n\nGiuliani sounds guilty as hell to me.",
">\n\n\nI never, ever ever ever ever\n\nWords of an innocent man I tell ya",
">\n\n\"and I never got caught\" lol",
">\n\nHe said the thing he wasn’t supposed to say out loud.",
">\n\nI believe at least two things are in play here.\n1st, and most importantly, Trump took those documents to sell nuclear secrets to the Saudis. I absolutely believe this happened.\nThe other is that Trump is a grandiose narcissistic braggart. He took those documents just so that he could brag to people that he has possession of TS documents.",
">\n\nIs there any reporting on the 1st assumption?",
">\n\nNothing that would stand up in court. Just circumstantial stuff as far as I know right now. There were apparently nuclear documents, but I don't know what type of information was in them, and we know about the Saudi involvement with Kushner and the golf tournament thing with Trump.",
">\n\nAh okay, just curious.",
">\n\nand Giuliani is the type that can't seem to keep his mouth shut lol",
">\n\nHe basically admitting that not only did people who shouldn't have seen them look at top secret documents but in all likelihood many of them brought them home.\nIf I was the FBI I'd bring this to the judge as probable cause to search half a dozen trump associate properties for top secret documents.",
">\n\nHe took documents home",
">\n\nAt least he never got caught.",
">\n\nI hear no one still knows about it!",
">\n\nEveryone knows people are saying that",
">\n\nRudy is trying to get paid for a 6 figure or maybe even 7 figure legal bill. So if he floats this idea at a time when the special prosecutor is tightening his noose he may get Trump to pay him. Birds of a feather. They truly deserve each other. Yuck!",
">\n\nSo who here thinks if Rudy is saying he didn't out of the cleat blue sky, someone should check it out?\nAlso... \"Vetting rich people?\" That is a really weird way of saying,\"picking cabinet members.\" That seems a little telling.",
">\n\nTranslation: \"Juicy Research to keep the person in line in case they think about turning\"",
">\n\nThis guy might be super stupid to confessing openly about this treason!",
">\n\nWorst case scenario he does 3-6 months in a privately operated prison for wealthy celebrities. He can admit to murder and offer evidence of it and it'd still be years before he served those 6 months",
">\n\nOur systems have totally failed us. Intelligence, DOJ and inmoral politicians who placed party and greed over country!",
">\n\n\nRudy Giuliani says Trump once told him to take top-secret documents home. Giuliani said the incident occurred just after Trump became president, when he was working at Mar-a-Lago. [emphasis mine]\n\nNot the least bit surprising.\nAlso wouldn't be surprising if it is ultimately discovered that Trump has been stealing classified documents and selling them to hostile foreign interests from the moment he first set foot in - and stained - the Oval Office w/his presence.\nI believe Trump's meetings w/Russian oligarchs, Putin, etc., where no U.S. press , or even a translator were allowed were tip offs, red flags that went ignored.",
">\n\nEver wonder why North Korea's Ballistic Missles started flying straighter and longer from the time after Trump started meeting with \"his favorite little dictator?\"",
">\n\nNo, you don't start to get empathy for what he told you to do. You did it, you complied, and you covered for it. You and all the other cronies should go right down with him. You don't get to come up later and point blame at him. You're just as despicable. Lock 'em all up!",
">\n\n\"Never got caught\"...yeah, he's totally innocent.",
">\n\nAlways figured Rudy would flip quickly.",
">\n\nNot to worry they were safely secured at the Four Seasons Total Landscaping in NE Philly",
">\n\nnah... the SCIF is at the Dildo Emporium.\nDo you even Top Secret dude?",
">\n\nRepublicans: Oh yeah! Well Champ advised Biden to take home Classified documents too!",
">\n\nsome mondays i can identify the specific thing that pushed me into \"i hate mondays\" mode. today it's the re-realization that rudy giuliani had access to real government secrets. rudy cousin-fucking giuliani.",
">\n\nHe is a lawyer. He cannot plead ignorance on matters of law.",
">\n\nPleading ignorance doesn’t work for anyone. If it did, Trump would be home free.",
">\n\nTrump is home free.",
">\n\nI have a hypothesis that Giuliani went after the Italian and Irish mafia in NYC to make way for the Russian mafia.",
">\n\nSounds possible. The timing is perfect.",
">\n\nGlad to know I'm not the only one who thinks the timing was perfect :)",
">\n\n\n\"He told me, 'Oh, take them home with you,'\" Giuliani said of Trump. \"I'm not going to take Wilbur Ross' tax returns home with me. I could misplace them!\"\n\"I — you know, I never, ever, ever, ever, ever, knowingly, and I never got caught — but I don't remember ever taking a doc,\" Giuliani added. He said he would place documents in a small safe at his desk in Mar-a-Lago to be worked on the next day.\nGiuliani also said top secret files are \"very, very strange the way they're put together\" and \"often are very small, but they contain a lot of information.\"\n\nThis guy is a liar and crook, so it’s hard to take anything he says seriously. That said, as someone who actually works with classified information regularly, he sounds like someone who has never been exposed to anything classified in his life. \nIndividuals’ tax returns are not classified. There may be sharing restrictions on them—and it’s probably prohibited for Giuliani to have had them at his disposal for whatever the hell kind of “vetting” he was doing, but that’s another matter—but that doesn’t make them classified. Certainly not “top secret” anyway. \nFurthermore, there is absolutely nothing strange about the composition of top secret files. They just get printed onto regular letter-sized paper. They are as big or as small as they need to be to make the point they’re aiming to make. If anything, they are artificially larger than they’d need to be because sometimes the author will break out less or more classified points into discrete paragraphs with different portion markings to allow the information to be shared appropriately in other contexts.",
">\n\nHad to scroll halfway through the comments to find this. Tax returns aren’t classified. And definitely not top secret.",
">\n\nThere ya go, Giuliani. Keep on a talkin'.",
">\n\nYou get a top secret file. You get a top secret file. YOU ALL GET A TOP SECRET FILE!\nCheck under your seats.",
">\n\n\nYOU ALL GET A TOP SECRET FILE!\n\nPlease stop abusing all caps.",
">\n\nPay your lawyers Donnie.",
">\n\nAll the little shit birds are singing.",
">\n\nHow nerve racking it must be to know your cohorts can flip on you as soon as they need to save their own ass or deem you too dangerous in association.",
">\n\nBut Hunter Biden’s laptop!!!",
">\n\nWhy aren’t these people in prison now?",
">\n\nSo let me get this straight. Trump screamed like a banshee when faced with having anyone see his own tax returns yet it was perfectly fine for him and Giuliani to 'vet' other peoples returns such as Wilbur Ross - I expect hypocrisy from Trump but showing them to Giuliani must surely be illegal.",
">\n\nThere's a reason clearances exist. It makes no godamn sense why the president doesn't need to be held to the same standard for top secret as any other personal in the DoD.",
">\n\nRudy feeling left out",
">\n\nI thought Rudy was the lawyer. Why is he taking advice from trump?",
">\n\nyeah, I thought Rudy was the one who is supposed to be advising Trump",
">\n\nWell I don’t think he ever gave him helpful advice lol",
">\n\nRemember how Rudy said he had Hunter's laptop? Pepperidge Farms remembers."
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